Episode 243 I Mal’s Sick Of Valentine’s Day

Summary

Podcast Summary: New Rory & MAL – Episode 243: I Mal’s Sick Of Valentine’s Day

Introduction

In Episode 243 of New Rory & MAL, released on February 16, 2024, hosts Rory and Mal delve into a myriad of topics ranging from Valentine's Day frustrations to the intricacies of modern fandom culture. The episode is peppered with humor, personal anecdotes, and insightful discussions, making it both entertaining and thought-provoking for listeners.

1. Valentine's Day Woes and Memorial for Mal

The episode kicks off with a humorous take on Valentine's Day. Mal expresses his exhaustion with the holiday, leading to a playful tribute where Rory and the team pretend that Mal has passed away due to his frustration. This segment sets a light-hearted tone for the episode.

• Notable Quote:

  • Rory [00:00]: "We could just do two beats of when he says it quietly. And then so he's just ginger."

2. Rory’s New Album Merchandise

Rory shifts the conversation to his latest album merchandise, showcasing high-quality slides, socks, and half-zips with unique embroidery and interchangeable zippers. He highlights the different color options and the effort put into creating distinctive merch items.

• Notable Quotes:

  • Rory [02:19]: "Better news, my album merch has arrived. Available now at Different Merch Shop."

  • Mal [03:10]: "Look at it. Got bays at the toe, bays on the foot and on the top here."

3. Theories About Mal’s Absence

Mal humorously speculates that Rory might be using deep fake audio generators and suggests that Mal could have a secret family in LA. This theory adds an element of playful mystery to Mal's supposed absence due to illness.

• Notable Quote:

  • Mal [04:19]: "I think Mal's using a deep fake audio generator. And he really has a family in LA that he's been hiding from us for years."

4. Exploring 'Stan' Culture and Fan Obsession

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to dissecting 'Stan' culture—the phenomenon of obsessive fandom intensified by social media. Rory and Mal discuss Eminem's upcoming documentary on obsessed fans, drawing parallels with other fan bases like Beyonce's Beehive or Taylor Swift's Swifties. They highlight how the internet has transformed fandoms, making them more accessible yet more volatile.

• Notable Quotes:

  • Rory [86:06]: "Eminem is producing a Stan documentary about obsessed fans. I think it's going to expose the weird, creepy side to that fandom."

  • Mal [62:52]: "Most stands look for something to lead them and believe in something bigger than themselves."

5. Personal Heartbreak Stories

Rory shares a personal story about his first heartbreak on Valentine's Day at the age of 22. He narrates his emotional journey, the pain of a cold breakup, and the realization that his feelings were more about the idea of the relationship than genuine love.

• Notable Quotes:

  • Rory [83:45]: "My first heartbreak on Valentine's Day was because she broke up with me due to my lack of commitment."

  • Rory [84:07]: "She was explaining to me... 'View this as a piece of pussy and move on because it's not going anywhere.'"

6. Balancing Career and Family Life

The hosts discuss the challenges of maintaining a balance between professional ambitions and family responsibilities. Rory emphasizes the importance of having family present during work trips and shares his approach to integrating his personal life with his career.

• Notable Quotes:

  • Rory [97:25]: "I can't choose the studio over my kid. It's all about finding balance."

  • Mal [98:37]: "It's tough balancing work and family, but it's doable with the right adjustments."

7. Concluding Banter and Final Tributes

As the episode wraps up, Rory and Mal engage in playful banter about merchandise being suitable gifts post-Valentine's Day. They reaffirm their camaraderie and express their hopes for Mal's recovery, blending humor with heartfelt sentiments.

• Notable Quotes:

  • Rory [103:08]: "This following week is now for the side chicks. These slides are reasonably priced. That's a good side chick gift."

  • Mal [105:32]: "It'll be just two beats when he says it quietly. So he's just ginger."

Conclusion

Episode 243 of New Rory & MAL masterfully intertwines humor with meaningful discussions on topics like Valentine's Day disillusionment, the dark side of fan obsession, and personal growth through heartbreak. Rory's personal stories add depth to the conversation, while Mal's witty remarks keep the atmosphere lively. The episode concludes with mutual respect and a touch of sadness over Mal's absence, leaving listeners both entertained and reflective.

Key Takeaways:

• Merchandise as a Narrative Tool: Rory effectively uses the promotion of his album merch to segue into broader discussions, blending marketing with personal storytelling.

• 'Stan' Culture Analysis: The hosts provide a critical look at the evolution of fandoms in the digital age, highlighting both positive community aspects and the potential for toxic obsession.

• Personal Growth Through Relationships: Rory's recounting of his first heartbreak serves as a relatable and introspective segment, emphasizing the importance of perspective in overcoming emotional challenges.

Overall, this episode offers a rich tapestry of humor, personal anecdotes, and insightful commentary, making it a standout installment in the New Rory & MAL series.

Transcript

[Rory]

We just do kind of like the moment of silence. Since you have, like all these flowers here, we could just do two beats of when he says it quietly. And then so he's just ginger.

[Mal]

Oh, you're speaking on behalf of yourself.

[Rory]

And by the way, I didn't think it in my head.

[Mal]

Yes, you did. You can't tell.

[Rory]

I just did a 2B.

[Mal]

What were the beats for? What did you. What. What did you feel in that?

[Rory]

The count in which he says that cadence. I just did. I just did the BPM of, he says.

[Mal]

And then Roy thought it for Valentine's Day. He said, mall's his. You just thought it again. Look at him. He did it again.

[Rory]

No warrior. Now.

[Mal]

My name is Cupid Valentino. The Martin B. Cupid. And I just want to say one thing. Happy Valentine's Day. I don't think y'all hurt, man. I just want to say happy Valentine. Valentine's Day.

[Rory]

Very exciting today because when we have days like this, we can cater all the lighting to my skin tone. It's the small wins. Mal's not with us today. We are still hidden in the hills. Mal's feeling under the weather, so he's hidden in the hotel. But Yomi, Julian, and Rel, I think, decided to make a memorial of him. It appears like Maul has passed away. He's sick. He's not dead.

[Mal]

Well, he committed to Blue all last episode and clearly that backfired.

[Rory]

And I mean, it is Valentine's Day, which we'll get to. So I guess the flowers make sense. But Mall's feeling under the weather, so please put money bags with, I don't know, like vaccines, hospitals, or. Oh, vaccine.

[Mal]

Vaccine needles.

[Rory]

What was that? The vaccine emoji?

[Mal]

Well, it's the. Well, it's funny how the vaccine emojis, also the heroin emoji both make sense.

[Rory]

Yeah, same thing. Or just put. They have like a little hospital house, which I think is, like, weird if you're in a rush to use an emoji like a hospital one. Like, imagine rushing to the hospital and sending someone in a matter of life or death. A hospital emoji. Because emojis are shortcuts.

[Mal]

No, yeah, I get. There's a.

[Rory]

So. So I'm gonna be rushing to the hospital and be like, sad face hospitals. I don't know, maybe emojis don't make much sense to me. Anyways. And better news, before we get to our topics, my album merch has arrived. It's okay. Everyone can clap. Thank you. Thank you, Yomi. Available now at Different Merch Shop. These are the slides. They're great slides.

[Mal]

Different Merch Shop.

[Rory]

Thank you. I appreciate the effort. Different merchants. Julian and Yomi are wearing the socks. I don't know if you want to be a foot model.

[Mal]

Look at it. Got bays at the toe, bays on the foot and on the top here. You know, I thought it'd be different on the.

[Rory]

Yeah. Which he paired with some. Some slacks, some nice khakis. But yes, we have socks.

[Mal]

I thought it'd be feet.

[Rory]

We have slides yet. Let's go with Yomi's feet. I think she styled it better, too. And we have limited supply, though these extremely high quality half zips. Embroidered. I thought it'd be different. And the zipper comes with three different colors, so you can swap them out to match whatever you're wearing.

[Mal]

But, Rory, what are the colors?

[Rory]

It is orange, naturally. Nice Money bag green and then just a generic white. This brown one's limited edition. That's just for my sample. But I'm excited. It was a long time coming, trying to get, like, some unique merch. I had to go through so many. So many blanks. But I'm happy. Everything came out great. The socks look incredible, slides look incredible. And this is great. So that's all I have for, like, on the promo side. And I'm actually going to take this off because it is so quality. I'm sweating my ass off.

[Mal]

Nice. While Rory's doing that, I have a theory. I think mall's using a deep fake audio generator. And he really has a family in LA that he's been hiding from us for years. Because it seems odd that as soon as we landed, he got very ill and then just kind of ducked off and did his own thing. And I want to run that by.

[Rory]

You, Rory, which is typically a mall thing when. When we come to la, but we've had this. This secret family or secret girlfriend theory for quite some time. It would make sense that LA would be the one that he would settle down in. I just think the Valentine's Day thing is kind of showing his hand. Like a vegan's not supposed to get sick at all. He eats healthy, he juices, he doesn't drink alcohol. He only smokes, like, hybrid weed that Elon Musk sells. Like, there's no reason he should be getting sick at all. I think he's actually spending his Valentine's Day with his girlfriend, unlike the rest of us who, you know, are here working. Or do you think maybe his girlfriend got him sick because he stays pretty healthy for the Most part in New York.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yomi thinks ass ate right now. Do you think maybe that's how he got sick? It was an ass to mouth situation.

[Mal]

You think he's wearing your merch while getting his ass ate?

[Rory]

I. I'm sure it's not even out of the plastic. It's probably back home with, with the rest of the I've given him.

[Mal]

Still at the studio.

[Rory]

Yeah. Never when I gave it to him at the studio, it never left the studio.

[Mal]

He was like, ah, nice. And just left it where you handed it to him.

[Rory]

Yeah, but God forbid if St. John new merch. No, St. John's merch is incredible. That's why they didn't even work. Yeah, but yeah, I think that is a theory because like how can you be this sick when you like you juice every other month, you don't take the vaccine, which I mean, you know, in my opinion probably keeps you healthier. What could absolutely get mall sick at any point?

[Mal]

I think people that are vegan sometimes aren't getting these supplements that they need that comes from proteins and other things that people just eat that normally. I don't want to say normally, whatever, just normal people eat and mall I don't maybe is not subsidizing that stuff. So his immune system is always compromised because more often than not when he gets sick, he's like, I slept near a fan. Yeah, like, come on. He definitely has like a good wind knocked you out for a week.

[Rory]

He does say things like what my grandmother used to say, like, oh, there was a chill last night. Like, yeah, I cracked a window.

[Mal]

And it was like, all right, papa.

[Rory]

I just think, I think what the healthy arrogant vegan crowd doesn't realize, when you just stay home and eat healthy, you cannot build your immune system to deal with the elements the moment you walk outside. Like the cure for the flu is to give you some of the flu. That's a flu shot. Like you need to just give yourself some of the virus so your body learns. And if all you know is blueberry smoothies and pinto beans.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You know, once you just breathe some LA air it might put you down.

[Mal]

Yeah, it's true. You had the same approach with chlamydia, right? You just go in head first, just get it.

[Rory]

Yeah. I mean, but I built the antibodies true after the first one. So you know, now who needs a condom? You know, more on the other hand would be full blown aids. I feel like if he, if he ever went raw. But anyways, with all that said, there's.

[Mal]

A sick transition Here that I don't want to make.

[Rory]

Oh, let's go.

[Mal]

So your. Your twin, your content twin, Sean Evans.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mal]

Is dating. Rumored to be dating a porn star.

[Rory]

Yes. Which was announced on Valentine's Day, which I find very ironic because Valentine's Day, sometimes you do get those, like, couple reveals. It's like the first day of school when a chick you followed for, like 10 years is taking her kid to school. Like, you've had a kid this whole time. That happens a lot with relationship reveals on Valentine's Day, when typically men are forced to now tell the world. Like, they. They let it slide for. For Valentine's Day, but now she needs. Instagram needs to see her. That happened, I think, with Sean to some degree. No. A Valentine's Day announcement is a little.

[Mal]

Weird, I would imagine. How long? So let's speculate on that. How long do you think a group, a couple should be seeing each other if Valentine's Day is their coming out party? Like, how long? In the dark?

[Rory]

I'm going with yomi. Two years.

[Mal]

Two years.

[Rory]

Because the first Valentine's Day, like, it's still new and you should keep that one to yourself. Two years. I feel like you can start to dabble in. In that space. But Sean. Do we think Sean was outed or this was a press release from first we feast. Like, we got to spice this whole thing up for real. Like, he's had. He's had everyone at this point. What else can Sean Evans do? He's just got to date a porn star. He's. He's succeeded in every interview you could think of. I'm just a little torn because I like Sean a lot, and I think he has an incredible platform. But coming off what Travis Kelsey has been doing for Gingers, I'm not here to judge anyone. I see people saying it's a setback for Gingers because we've been having a good few years. I don't find it to be a setback outside of Adam22 retweeting it and saying, congrats, Sean.

[Mal]

Her pussy's fire with three fire emojis.

[Rory]

But that's projecting. He just wants the jokes to go somewhere else and be like, see?

[Mal]

Was she featured on.

[Rory]

He's going to be a cuck too.

[Mal]

Did she do his show? I would imagine.

[Rory]

I don't.

[Mal]

All right.

[Rory]

I'm telling on myself. I don't know who that porn.

[Mal]

I don't either.

[Rory]

I've never heard the name, but the way people were, like, reacting. It feels like she's famous.

[Mal]

No I don't know.

[Rory]

I don't mind. Like my algorithm.

[Mal]

AVN all star weekend level, I would imagine. I looked up because her name, you know, her name's what, Melissa Stratton. And I was seeing like on Twitter, I guess she does a lot of MILF porn.

[Rory]

Is she a mother or.

[Mal]

She's probably not.

[Rory]

Just like a great.

[Mal]

Probably 25 and they're like, oh, you're old now.

[Rory]

Yeah. So now she's the sexy stepmother that's like, oh, I like your boyfriend. Stepdaughter.

[Mal]

Yeah. She's stuck in a washing machine right now.

[Rory]

Wow. Sean took her to the super. Okay, so this is very serious.

[Mal]

She was born in 89. She's 34.

[Rory]

Oh, so she's like a OG in the porn game then. Yeah, 34 is old for. Not old for Earth, but like for porn. But then I also feel like she has to be even older because I think the 34 year olds they say are 18 on the websites. So her. If her industry age is 34, she might be 55. She looks incredible. But I'm just going how porn does industry edges.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And no disrespect to Sean at all. I think if you're in love, this is amazing. Yeah, they look really happy. How do you think they met? And does she have a real porn name? That didn't sound like a porn name.

[Mal]

Her government just is good. She just committed to it. Stratton. Stratton. Kind of sounds like a porn.

[Rory]

Does anyone have a. Any porn stars just go by their government from Kansas City. Okay, so Sean surprised her home. Yeah. Hometown team. Oh, that's cute. That's really nice.

[Mal]

Yeah. How do you think they met? Rory?

[Rory]

I would imagine Sean is like next level now quietly, if that makes sense. Like they did a hot ones SNL as Beyonce. Like Sean is. Is next level. Even though it may appear like he's just does Internet, he's not. He's out of here. I think maybe he met at one of these showbiz parties in the hills, like where all the elites hang out. And then porn stars go there as well, and maybe they just hit it off. Maybe she was by the food table and was eating a wing and Sean just swooped in as the expert and he just knew I got another sauce. He just saw her eating a wing and was like, well, here's my chance for a one liner.

[Mal]

Do you think pornhub will make a skit or a scene featuring their version of Sean Evans? So I'm picturing if I were to cast and direct This. I would cast Johnny Sins to play Sean Evans.

[Rory]

Not me.

[Mal]

No, not. You know, we want people to watch.

[Rory]

Is it because I'm starting to grow my hair?

[Mal]

It's the hair.

[Rory]

Yes, I would, I will, I will buzz my head again if I can play Sean in some type of pornhub situation.

[Mal]

But you do know in this scenario you'd have to fuck a white woman.

[Rory]

Oh, she's white?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Oh, I thought she was like maybe light skinned Latina.

[Mal]

You're out. She's white.

[Rory]

Yeah, that would be tough. But then again, no, actually, no, actually it would be perfect because I would be there to do a job. Like, I wouldn't look at it as like this is some sexual type of thing. I'm here to be an actor, to be a thespian, to bring the best possible performance that I can bring to this situation. Do you guys have any women in mind that would play her? Because I still want to be respectful to Sean. I'm not suggesting she would be in the same.

[Mal]

I don't know, it's. I'm trying to think of a woman that's who plays milfs.

[Rory]

Oh, I would, I would have to be in a milk situation. I. We wouldn't just be at Buffalo Wild Wings. Like, she wouldn't work there.

[Mal]

Oh, I like that scenario because remember.

[Rory]

There was the viral KFC porn. That was years ago though, but it still pops up on Twitter every now and then. It was a real porno they shot in. Oh, it was in Popeyes.

[Mal]

In.

[Rory]

In Popeyes. It was a real thing.

[Mal]

That's amazing.

[Rory]

Or like, what if I. What if I show up to the complex office and she's like the receptionist?

[Mal]

Yeah, but. Oh, that'd be nice. Yeah, that. That's a good. The lighting in there too, lends itself. It's very casting couch lighting in there.

[Rory]

But I'm just not sure if. No pun intended. I might be too vanilla for where they want to take it. Like, you know they have like milk on the side for hot ones.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, what if we're setting up a scene and they're like, oh, we need milk. And then. Because she's doing the milk thing, just. But I've drank breast milk before, so I am prepared for it.

[Mal]

I think you're quietly in training. You don't even know it yet.

[Rory]

Which part?

[Mal]

The. This could be your big break because.

[Rory]

I didn't do well with the spicy wings on stage for our live show. So those we're gonna have to tone down if I'm about to. And eating spicy Wings and then doing like porn type sex. Then I'm gonna end up like mole.

[Mal]

Yeah. Adding. Yeah. Adding da bomb in the bedroom. Sounds like an awful idea.

[Rory]

Eating before eating hot wings and then going.

[Mal]

Just dabbing. Dabbing a wing. I'm just imagining in a girl's just licking hot sauce out of an ass.

[Rory]

Because you gotta like, we've all ate some really spicy food and paid for it later on.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Doing that the way you guys were telling me about how women were chugging beer through their. And how it went directly into their bloodstream. Imagine doing that with hot sauce. That'd be rough. But anyways, Sean, if. If you're cool with it, I know Julian's trying to set up the Law and Order version of porn here where they just take a current moment and do a whole episode about it. I just don't think porn has got there yet. Are you trying to be the wolf of porn?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Pun intended.

[Mal]

I think it exists. There's done. They've done scenes. I feel like everything they do that, they do that they have like look.

[Rory]

Alikes where they'll say, oh, this is like her. But like Law and Order. Like when the Chris Brown Rihanna thing happened, there was an episode in two weeks that was R B superstar beats up another R B superstar. They do that all the time. I think it'd be great if porn did that. And I think they should start with Sean because Adam 22 went reality TV route. We can go scripted. Like, we can. We can rel. Can really, really produce this thing. We have a house in the hills. It is Valentine's Day.

[Mal]

Damn. I was going to make a really dark joke.

[Rory]

It's fine. We're here.

[Mal]

I was going to say if you want to really up the notch, you could recreate. Go the Kevin Spacey Epstein route. Raise the stakes.

[Rory]

I take it back. I was like, oh, mall's not here. Maybe me and Julian can have some of the combos we have off air that we only find funny. But you went too far. Way too far.

[Mal]

But, like, hitting it.

[Rory]

Let me be frank. Would be hilarious. Is dating porn stars like a thing now?

[Mal]

Yeah, because they're people.

[Rory]

No, of course I'm not.

[Mal]

Can't believe you would say I'm not. Women.

[Rory]

I'll reword it.

[Mal]

Strong women.

[Rory]

The way the rappers went from never having a girlfriend ever to now. You need a girlfriend to have a successful rollout. Is that happening with porn stars? Like they're being wifed and it's a rollout with things. There's like celebrity porn Couples now.

[Mal]

Yeah, I actually. I would agree. So you're saying it would become more from the porn stars seeking, like, I know, like, who in this situation, are you saying this is a better look?

[Rory]

More. Just more so celebrities getting together to leverage their celebrity even more. I'm not saying that they're not in love or anything, but, yeah. You know, we've seen it in PR forever. Are they doing that now with porn stars? And it's not look looked at weird and I'm not here to say it should be or. Or whatever. Love is love. I was on Adam 22 side when you guys weren't, but it's pretty acceptable now. Like, everyone just kind of strolled past that and was like, oh, didn't expect that today. No one's outraged when in the past I feel like people would have been.

[Mal]

Yeah, I don't. I don't. Yeah.

[Rory]

I think the stigma is gone. Maybe just because average girls do porn. On OnlyFans, I was going to say.

[Mal]

I think OnlyFans neutralize the. The look or the public perception of what porn is. I think now it's like a level playing field and there's like a level to it, whether you're going the pornhub, like signing with the majors.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Or you're going independent only fans. I think it's so normalized and just a part of our social ecosphere that it's looked less and even shit on Instagram. Now you see a titty Twitter, you're seeing someone getting stretched out. Like, it's just. We're so desensitized. It's like, oh, your girl does porn. That's her job. Doesn't make a difference.

[Rory]

I mean, how fast that changed from, like, when. That first year on Instagram when we would see, like, women that were models and known wearing thongs online was like, oh, yeah, this is crazy. Then that turned into just any chick. You know, she could work at Trader Joe's and you go on Instagram and she'll be in a thong and it's fine. There's no stigma to it. It's cool. It's just. Just ass that rushed. I think all the way to wifing a girl on OnlyFans is totally fine, but they'd still judge the porn stars. And to me, that's worse.

[Mal]

Why?

[Rory]

Because she's. At least she's a star. Like, she takes her craft for real. I'm not hating on the indie labels, but your girl is no different. If you're wiping a girl. That's people on only fans and Is dming guys back and forth all day taking requests.

[Mal]

Don't say that.

[Rory]

Because other news, like, I'm not. People love who they love. I'm saying that. Where's the difference? No, because I've seen people be totally fine with wifing a girl that does only fans and then would look at someone like Adam22 like they're insane.

[Mal]

And I think that's there's such. The amount of big leap, the amount of.

[Rory]

The amount of rappers and the amount of Twitter personalities, the amount of podcasters, the amount of people that were judging Adam22, I would say half either were dating an only fans girl or had dated onlyfans girl.

[Mal]

I think there's still a level of anonymity with an only fans girl, like, depending on how obviously how popular she is. But she's not, again, to the point of being independent versus a major. If your girl is signed to, like, browsers or pornhub, her face is, like, on the. The homepage. She's on the banner. Like, there's more visibility to it. That brings a negative stigma.

[Rory]

So you don't respect the sanctity of a relationship. You only respect a paywall, because if it's behind a paywall, my girl can go crazy.

[Mal]

No, I'm saying I'm not talking money because both are getting paid. And honestly, more often than not, the only fans, the independent women, are making more money because they're a lot less.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

So I'm just saying, public perception wise, if I'm a casual, if I'm a cat, if I'm me, literally me, if I'm going to pornhub and I'm seeing my homies girl, like, her face in 10, 20 different scenes on this site. But. And it's a free site, I would look at it differently than it's like, okay, I know my homies girl does porn, but it's a link on her Twitter or whatever. And even if I click that link, I can't access it unless I like. There's more barriers.

[Rory]

So it's only public perception than you think.

[Mal]

I think. I think. I don't know.

[Rory]

Which is weird. No, I hear what you.

[Mal]

But it's like, for me, it's like the only fans girl is like, it's two clicks a credit card information and then you have access. Whereas pornhub, it's just I hit, I refresh a tab and they're there.

[Rory]

And it is. It's probably a public perception thing. And I'm not saying that's all. Derives an insecurity I just think that's human beings. Because, like, I know guys that are in loving relationships with women that used to quietly escort. They're not escorting anymore. They're not cheating. They're. They're away from that life. But no one really knew they were an escort. Unless you knew someone that paid for the sex.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Because women are quietly doing that. And there's plenty of guys that are judging. Even the dudes that wife only fans. Girls whose girls pass is escorting. They just did it quietly. I guess it's. If no one knows, then it's cool.

[Mal]

I'm learning a lot about that in New York. I went on a date a while ago with a girl who. Who does that. And she was. The husband was married with two daughters, and he would. He was like in finance. And they had a hotel room that him and his partners would just use. Hold for the day.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

And they would go in like shifts and just these escorts and send them on their way. But it was very professional. She didn't show his name. Her. Her role was to stay in the lobby. He would meet her in the lobby, they'd go up and she would, like, you take an hour out of her day, get a few thousand. It was for rent money, literally. She'd cover rent in the matter of an hour's time. And it was so. It was so, like, scheduled and it was. It wasn't. It was so, for her, was so much less about the sex. It was just a job. It was like, oh, I have a lunch meeting.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

That's kind of how she looked at it. And I was fascinated. I spent the entire day just asking her questions about how that went. She goes, you'd be surprised. All like 90% of my girlfriends do it. She was saying, like, it's so much more common than you think.

[Rory]

Very, very common.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Women that you've met, talk to, and are like associates with, you would never know.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Unless they told you. Now, to the lowest form of male shame in this conversation.

[Mal]

I fucked her for free, by the way.

[Rory]

Congrats.

[Mal]

Thanks. Happy Valentine's Day.

[Rory]

I'm actually sure that felt like it must have boosted your ego a bit.

[Mal]

Why? Huh? Is this that it's not that.

[Rory]

It's definitely a stat.

[Mal]

I mean, I bought her a glass of wine. I paid 14 bucks.

[Rory]

Well, I wouldn't consider that paying for sex. But with that said, the lowest form there is women that are not even really being paid per se, that they are just fucking for trips and material items. Like, she didn't get paid to Go to Turks, but she was flown there to fudge and then be sent home.

[Mal]

I know a girl doing that and.

[Rory]

Is that, is that worse than a woman that did it professionally? I'm just trying to look at all the shame of men and how our brains work.

[Mal]

It's very unique to me how it's about the men. I think it's more about how the women want to be perceived. Because like I have girlfriends that are very like, have the job, do it. They're normal publicly perception. But they'll spend two weeks in Switzerland skiing and they'll post a thousand stories a day. I. They'll be upfront with me, hey, this guy that I've been seeing flying me out now you'll never see the guy in these posts. Whatever, whatever, whatever. Post a thousand Instagram posts, do the whole thing as if you did this solo trip.

[Rory]

But it's like that's extremely common to that and like I've said on this podcast before, I forgot what the topic was, but we're something similar to this. And I was like, if you are a 22 year old girl and a professional athlete offered to fly you private to Turks, all expenses paid, like you wouldn't take that. Damn, I would like that. Like that's. I would never judge someone for doing that. Now if that becomes like your existence in your life and what defines you now we have a different conversation. Yeah, but what you're saying is correct. I'm more speaking to the, the male shame of how people are looking at Sean, Adam, whatever. There's plenty of women that they would still wife that literally just get flown out to be fudge. It's just an exchange and then come back and that's fine. But the porn thing isn't fine. It's all in the same spectrum in my opinion. I know it's a drastic spectrum, but it is still the same.

[Mal]

I think. Yeah, you're right. I think it is just the nuance of being open about it versus being a little more. Yeah, like in the shadows with it. Like you can't. The girls that I know that do this, you can't google this about them and like they're not available to rent like you. They have to you to rent. You'd have to match with them on Hinge or Raya and at least build a relationship there to then say, hey, I'm going to this place for a week. Do you want to come with me?

[Rory]

Yeah. But even then, if they're not on an escort site, they are on Instagram.

[Mal]

Oh yeah, that I mean, Instagram, the.

[Rory]

DMs are still open.

[Mal]

The best escort site is Instagram.

[Rory]

With that said, would you not wife Rachel Dozel because of only fans or because she's unemployed? Because we don't really like bum.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, if you're an entrepreneur and have a steady nine to five and then you're doing only fans at night, like, whatever that meme is, like do your 9 to 5 and then do your 5 to 9 for your dream, whatever.

[Mal]

That is, your dreams and showing your like feet, like that's your dream.

[Rory]

She actually clearly educating the youth. She taught us about transracial. She was heavy on the trans movement for me.

[Mal]

Was she?

[Rory]

I learned that you could be trans.

[Mal]

Oh, trans dog.

[Rory]

If you wanted to be. She identified as black and started, I think, the trans movement outside of gender. Because now, now I open my. My IG and there's chicks doing, you know those weird, like podcast where it's a bunch of men trying to shit on women that are.

[Mal]

You're myon guys.

[Rory]

Yeah, but there's a bunch. That's a whole genre.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

There was one girl on one of those saying she identifies as a cat and like how she wanted to be courted. And it was. It kept my attention for like 30 seconds. I don't think we get to her without Rachel.

[Mal]

Does she shit in sand? How does that work? How. How far did they go into that conversation?

[Rory]

See, I should listen to the whole episode because they just did a reel and she was talking about how she wants to be respected and courted. And then she was barking and meowing in between those sentences.

[Mal]

Does she.

[Rory]

And then when he asked a simple question that would have been yes or no, she legitimately just barked. Like, just rough.

[Mal]

But that's.

[Rory]

But then I didn't know if it was yes or no.

[Mal]

But barking is not even a cat trait.

[Rory]

She was going back and forth with cat and she's cat dog from Nicole.

[Mal]

It's a great show.

[Rory]

Really good show.

[Mal]

So good.

[Rory]

But I don't think. I think Rachel walked so everyone else could run on four legs.

[Mal]

What did Rachel teach? Was it like African studies? I just want to know, like, what was her background in the classroom?

[Rory]

Well, she. Wasn't she the head of like some chapter of the NAACP or something?

[Mal]

She.

[Rory]

When she got caught.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

If you get fired from the NAACP for not being the first letter in that acronym to then go teach African studies at a school.

[Mal]

The first letter. Well, not the first letter. What do you think the first letter stands for? Say it.

[Rory]

Oh, it's National. Never mind.

[Mal]

It's the C, Rory.

[Rory]

I don't remember it. Hey, hey. I don't say the word, so how would I know? I don't know acronyms.

[Mal]

Sit at the light.

[Rory]

I just have to guess when the gray color goes down the stoplight to see. Oh, if it's bottom gray, I can go.

[Mal]

I don't know. I don't. I think. What's her goal here? I don't like, didn't they know because they had. She had an only fans. That was like a.

[Rory]

That was a thing for a while.

[Mal]

So how is this school so behind. And she was teaching in Tucson, Arizona. So I don't know if that says.

[Rory]

Anything, but why are you saying this school didn't know this school? Even if they didn't know about the onlyfans thing they know she is. They knew about the transracial thing.

[Mal]

They know who she is.

[Rory]

If they hire her after knowing that, I think they'd be pretty liberal about only fans. Like, that's fine.

[Mal]

So she was the head of the NAACP in Spokane, Washington, which, I mean.

[Rory]

You know, it was her or.

[Mal]

Shut the up. I said this is a joke. She was a prominent civil rights leader and African studies professor in Washington state. So before she left for Arizona, she was actually teaching African studies. She was like, what was her lessons like? How to apply gingerly spray tan.

[Rory]

I don't really like that you brought us into it. She.

[Mal]

She's like reverse Sammy Soing.

[Rory]

I mean, she's kind of like our favorite guy in the current civil rights world. They'd make a great couple.

[Mal]

They would be a power couple.

[Rory]

I'm just not saying his name anymore because I get death threats on my Instagram every single time I do, and I kind of believe them. He has, He's. He has a following. People ride for ironically. It's mostly white people, of course.

[Mal]

I mean.

[Rory]

Like, rarely are black people like, hey, man, leave him alone. He's for the cause.

[Mal]

Yeah, he's a good one that sees fires going.

[Rory]

Great.

[Mal]

Jesus.

[Rory]

Rachel's had. She's had a rough go. I don't know if I want to.

[Mal]

Like completely on her, but it's self inflicted. Like, how are we.

[Rory]

How is it. She's just entrepreneurial at this point, I think we just went from saying that only. We're not judging the only fans girls. She was trying to make an honest living. She was being a teacher. She was doing what you were doing. You and her are, I think, pretty much the same person.

[Mal]

I am Rachel Dolezal.

[Rory]

You are.

[Mal]

You are friendship I identify as Rachel Doll. I'm a. I'm a. I identify as a white black woman.

[Rory]

And if I remember correctly, after everyone found out she was white, then you said, hmm, I'd fuck.

[Mal]

Well, that's why I subscribe to her Only fans. Yeah, it's actually her African studies lessons. Just naked. That's the Only Fans content.

[Rory]

I mean, that was in a show. I don't know if everyone remembers, like, real basic cable. The black box with the red numbers. Like, that far back. Whatever. I think it was channel 72, whatever Spice Network was on, they used to do this thing called Naked News.

[Mal]

Oh, my God, I love Naked News.

[Rory]

Why is that not. Is it because people don't care about news or just everyone's naked?

[Mal]

Do you think the weather app being on your phone has changed? Yeah, kind of. Because now I don't need to look. I don't need to watch someone else tell me I can just pull this thing out of my pocket.

[Rory]

But I mean, the way they do the fake news agenda on both sides, I'd probably buy even more into it if she was butt ass. Like, he would capture me a little bit more than Don Lemon did.

[Mal]

Univision.

[Rory]

Even the way like. Like Sean Hannity.

[Mal]

Isn't that what it's called? Unavision. Univision. Correcting my botch Spanish.

[Rory]

Whatever Sean Hanley says, you're not going to get me because I hate his face and I just hate his existence. If you put her a girl ass naked that looked great and spewed the same. I don't know if I'm going to fully believe it, but I'm going to watch. I'm going to, and I'm going to listen. I may absorb some of your talking points.

[Mal]

Isn't that what Trump, speaker of the House, was there for? That fucking blonde bimbo? Kaitlyn.

[Rory]

New Monica Lewinsky.

[Mal]

She. She was the speaker. She was like. It was just a pretty face that was just spewing his awful rhetoric.

[Rory]

Oh, but I think that's like his lawyer. No, he is some young, hot lawyer.

[Mal]

I mean, I'm sure he does. He keeps one around. No.

[Rory]

I felt so misogynistic when she popped up on Value Team. Was like, she's a lawyer.

[Mal]

It's like Legally Blonde and she's super intelligent.

[Rory]

Which is even more offensive because I was like, she's so well spoken.

[Mal]

I think the only channel that's doing weather. Right. Is Unavision, because it's just the baddest Mexican women that, like, you're just stacked. Yeah, they've been on that South American women, Hispanic women.

[Rory]

Don't they have, like, naked commercials in Italy and France and. Or is that just something I saw in Euro Trip and assumed that was true?

[Mal]

I feel like that's Euro Trip. I don't know. Sex culture out there is so much more accepted and commonplace. Like in Amsterdam. I've talked about this before. Red light district. You can, like, go get a coffee a. And then go run a company in 20 minutes.

[Rory]

How do you start every day?

[Mal]

It's. It's so nice. That's currently what mall's doing. That's why he's not here. Malls in Amsterdam.

[Rory]

Well, speaking of rough, rough weeks for white women losing their jobs and relationships. Friend of the show, Bobby. Bobby Adolph. Is that. Is that our last name?

[Mal]

Salute. Salute. Today, the young dolphins, Bobby Altoff, who.

[Rory]

Still, for some reason, is getting interviews every other day.

[Mal]

What do you mean, for some reason?

[Rory]

We know why the bit has been beat into the fucking ground after the third episode. Funny. Marco was great. Drake was great. Quavo was funny. Mark Cuban was cool for, like, a second. And then after that, it was downhill.

[Mal]

But now she's getting interviewed more. More than people coming on her show. Like that one with Keke Palmer. And Kiki was like, yo, are you an industry planner? She was like, yeah.

[Rory]

Which was cool. But that's the only way to combat the narrative is to lean into everything and do it with Kiki Palmer. The thing she did with What's. What's the girl name that Osiris assaulted? Oh, on camera. Sookie.

[Mal]

Oh, yes. Yes. That's a great clip.

[Rory]

Is it? Because to me, you ran that. You ran that bit into the ground so much with the dry humor that now you're blatantly doing bad writing.

[Mal]

Is that dry humor, though?

[Rory]

I think they're trying to switch. You could easily see how fake that was.

[Mal]

You think that was fabricated?

[Rory]

Yes. Like, not. Like, there's not a single doubt in my mind that Sookie heard the word musician and kept saying musician. They even fucked up the bit in the middle of the bit to prove how fake it was. I'm a magician. She said musician and then went to magician, and she kept going back and forth. It was an awful bit. And that's what they're now going to. Oh, it's.

[Mal]

It's crushing.

[Rory]

I know it's crushing. It'll continue to.

[Mal]

I don't know. I like that. I fell for it. Call me stupid, but like most things, once you have your big break, all of your intimate relationships fall apart. So she filed for divorce from her her husband, two kids, which is.

[Rory]

Which is unfortunate. Do you think it had to do with her success?

[Mal]

Yes.

[Rory]

Why?

[Mal]

She's entered a whole different. She has access on another level. That. And I get it, if you're a real couple, bring him up with you and put him in. But I just think she's so out of here. The success kills every. That meteoric of a rise. It's just.

[Rory]

It's okay.

[Mal]

You become a part of the system rather than in your previous life.

[Rory]

Let's do gender stereotypes for it. Typically, with a man elevating with success out of nowhere, if they have a wife and kids, that would typically break up because now he has access to more women. Women that didn't want to sleep with him before now want to sleep with him. I don't know if that could be the case with Bobby. I'm not saying anything against her looks. I just. Men and women are different. Husband filed for divorce. Do you think it's because she's too busy to not be around her kids?

[Mal]

Could be that.

[Rory]

Or do you think the access she has now of other people did it? And I know women do that.

[Mal]

Well, yeah, I mean, I just.

[Rory]

I'm just. I'm not gonna put that on Bobby's jacket. That she got all the success and then went and cheated to the point of the way typically a man would do with success, but to the point.

[Mal]

Of the success happening. Like, she's not. And I'm not even saying personality wise. I just mean lifestyle wise. She's not the person that he married in the sense that she was on TikTok. She was shooting at home. It was all in the house. Ever now, like, her schedule, her availability, like, just her being around the kids and him is probably far less than what that was for their whole time together. So maybe that's the compromise. It's like, yo, we're hardly. Maybe we sleep in the same bed a week out of the month. Like, before we were a nuclear family. And now it seems like because you're so successful, I hardly have these moments with you and the kids.

[Rory]

And how long has it been since the funny Marco interview?

[Mal]

I don't know.

[Rory]

Let's see. Less than a year. So to me, there's to get to divorce in less than a year. Outside of, like a crazy thing like being caught cheating or whatever, There has to be issues there already. Well, like, a divorce doesn't happen typically in less than a year, she said, unless he went through the phone and saw some wild.

[Mal]

She said, although our relationship as husband and wife didn't work out. We will always be friends and I will always love him. So like publicly it's amicable. Like I don't. I think it could just be one of those things where it's like, yo, let's co parent. We. We obviously are financially set to make sure our kids are comfortable and get what they need, but.

[Rory]

But now if no one's around, it's even more difficult with the kids, I think because if before, if he was working and she was working, they have money so they get a nanny. But divorce isn't going to make that better.

[Mal]

I think I read at one point, I think he's a vice president or something of some software engineer. Cause he's so I'm sure as well. Yeah, but I think I. I don't. I would assume based on her schedule, I think he would probably have the kids more.

[Rory]

Yeah. What do you think that though?

[Mal]

I don't know.

[Rory]

No, if he. If he has a VP of a software company, I'm sure he has more of a 9 to 5 schedule where you know, if they're in Cali. I'm sure she shoots most of her interviews in la.

[Mal]

Most of her stuff here.

[Rory]

At what. At what clip? Maybe one a week. If that is it that crazy schedule her output is.

[Mal]

It's not. It's not bi weekly or anything like that. It is pretty manageable to have a life with a family.

[Rory]

Or did he just. Just take one for the team, for all men out there. She shot up in a year financially and he went after her money.

[Mal]

He went for half.

[Rory]

Yeah. Maybe all because he's used to a certain lifestyle now.

[Mal]

All tough. You wouldn't do that. I don't know sky at all.

[Rory]

I can just tell by the men that Bobby goes after that.

[Mal]

Yeah. You can't go. You can't go for all. That's not. Can you a women.

[Rory]

I mean women try but like more.

[Mal]

Often than not like half is this.

[Rory]

But like if they split up the assets. Like what if he goes after her back catalog?

[Mal]

He gets the tick tock.

[Rory]

Because that would be crazy. Like we've seen. We've seen wives get the Dodgers in divorces. Like I feel like he could go after that funny Marco interview. That.

[Mal]

That's what I'd like YouTube rev.

[Rory]

Because yeah, I think he. I'm sure he has a good salary at that job because she. I mean I know she was making jokes, but she was always saying before that she didn't have a job and she was poor and this and that. I think there Was probably some truth to that. And her husband was the breadwinner. If I. Yeah, yeah, of course. How do you fall out with funny Marco when he put you on? That's crazy.

[Mal]

How do.

[Rory]

But if. Yeah, if I'm her husband in court. Keep everything. I'm going after each interview right here. I need half of that interview. Any brand deal that comes, I need to have.

[Mal]

I would. Yeah. If I'm him, I would go to. Yeah. Her talent agent agency and try to get a percentage of that.

[Rory]

And I mean, it would. I think that'd be an easy custody battle too, because he seems like he would have the more stable life for the kids. That's what I'm saying. So now he can really, like, can.

[Mal]

Really go nuts because she's obviously too busy. She's occupied. She's. She's putting on the gloves and taking punches from Ryan Garcia in his fucking 24 pack. Like, she's clearly outside.

[Rory]

We've seen a lot of nasty breakups where people immediately do something on the Internet. Shit. Just when we watched the Cardi and offset breakup, which was unfortunate because they just gave us way too much business about their personal lives. Both of them were trying to one up each other for that entire week via ig. Bobby is like bowser to that shit. She literally put on some gloves to take punches from a boxer and then ran around a couch at half speed. She wanted to be caught.

[Mal]

She was.

[Rory]

Remember like when you were young and flirting with a girl like, oh, gosh, no, but like she wanted you to catch her.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

She barely made like I clocked it.

[Mal]

There's a video that was like a.

[Rory]

10 second 40 yard dash.

[Mal]

She's wearing gloves, a sports bra and boxing shorts. And Ryan, who? Remember Ryan? Recently, a month or two ago, divorced his girl. Well, didn't even divorce her. I don't even think they were married. Broke up with his girl and announced it the day he posted that they just had another child.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, that was his recent. So is it. Do you think this is like the divorce single collab of the year, power couple. Yeah.

[Rory]

Of it all. Oh, thank God he was. Well with the kids, he could lose a lot. Bobby is more to risk. I think she's on paperwork. I might lay low for a second and interview a few more girls if I was. Bobby going straight to a professional boxer, that clearly shows outside of the ring, he's just as lethal.

[Mal]

Who do you think?

[Rory]

And the way she ran to get caught, I. Yeah, that's where I think she, like, you have to play it smart. You have to play it smart in any type of breakup. I feel like these days because everyone can't wait to just find some shit to expose or like screenshot, whatever. When it comes to marriage though, I feel like you just have to step on every eggshell possible. Coming out the gate doing that, you're losing leverage and you're pissing off the person that you have to battle with.

[Mal]

And it's like, at this point, go interview Meryl Streep. I would assume if they're announcing it, it's finalized. But just speculatively at this point, is the. Are the divorce paper inked? Are they final? Like, could this be pulled up and used against you in some like, character? Like if I'm her, Like you said, lay low, make sure is straight before you go out and pop out with these tick tock boxer kids. And here's.

[Rory]

I've been pretty hard on Bobby since I saw the bit. Getting a little dry.

[Mal]

Yeah. You call her Adolf.

[Rory]

I just thought that's how you pronounce her name. That's. That is a name. You know, like, that is a name.

[Mal]

Yeah, it was. It's. It's no longer.

[Rory]

There's a town in Argentina where there's a bunch of. I would respect Bobby and take back all my hate for her and truly look at her as a professional comedian and entertainer. If she had her ex husband on the pod and started it with so you didn't like the marriage and stayed in character through an entire divorce settlement.

[Mal]

Return to her roots, then.

[Rory]

Then to me, she's Larry David.

[Mal]

That'd be a good bit.

[Rory]

That would be great.

[Mal]

She should do that.

[Rory]

And if we're going through a painful divorce, both of us are going to need money. You get some great brand deals. Let's come together for the kids.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And I'll be in character the entire time. I would sit and watch that and give Bobby all her flowers. She's. She's not an industry plant. That's a fucking professional dude.

[Mal]

In the same bed. They did the interview with Drake and.

[Rory]

That wasn't Drake's bed.

[Mal]

It was Drake's house. Well, shit.

[Rory]

He's on tour.

[Mal]

There were rumors she may know the gate code. There were rumors that I was in Memphis.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mal]

Oh, nice.

[Rory]

Really? For those that can't hear yummy saying that was on a basketball court, that they made a set of an actual bed. They fooled me now that that wasn't Drake's bed. Now I'm looking at that interview a little up. What. Why was the treatment us being In a bed. I could see if he was like, yo, I'll do this interview, but you have to come to my crib.

[Mal]

Pull up at the crib. Yeah.

[Rory]

Which artists do often. And I could be like, yo, it'd be funny if we just, like, laid in the bed. But to find a basketball court in Memphis when neither of them live in Memphis, and then go, let's find a California king best and not even show.

[Mal]

The basketball court, and then obviously, surely.

[Rory]

Just rent a hotel suite shortly after that.

[Mal]

The rumors that they hooked up. You know, this all could be. I feel like everything's connected. The rumors happen that they hooked up, the Drake leaks happen, and now the divorce.

[Rory]

You're saying Bobby had that video in her phone and she leaked the Drake video?

[Mal]

No, I'm not it.

[Rory]

Wait, what bed was Drake in?

[Mal]

Because if. No, so that was on his plane. I think the leak came from. Because you could hear the. The low hums of a jet engine.

[Rory]

That was on a plane while he's. That was on.

[Mal]

While he's helicoptering his dick. You can hear the. Of air Drake.

[Rory]

I'll never. I'll never discredit your music again.

[Mal]

Hard right. It's a pause.

[Rory]

Whoa.

[Mal]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Rory]

I still haven't seen the video.

[Mal]

No, no.

[Rory]

To know it was on his plane.

[Mal]

Is such a flex. You got that good a wi fi. Like, come on, bro. He's different.

[Rory]

Also, if I have a plane, I don't know I'm going to be alone, like, if I have a bed in my plane.

[Mal]

Yeah, but if you're on tour.

[Rory]

Oh, because it's so limited out there when you're on tour for women.

[Mal]

But I'm.

[Rory]

Damn. Must have been a drought.

[Mal]

Say he was leaving the city. You watched. You watched Dave.

[Rory]

Yeah, of course.

[Mal]

So remember, not to the level, obviously, with the airplane, but remember when they. When they brought that girl on the bus? They're in the one episode. It was the last season. They brought a girl on the bus, and they brought her to the next city because she was okay.

[Rory]

And then they were like, gator out of sex addiction. And. Yeah.

[Mal]

And they were like, well, what do we now? What with her? I know Drake probably won't run into that issue. He could just send her ass home on a commercial flight. But that's also a thing.

[Rory]

It's like, that's an extremely common thing with tours.

[Mal]

Bringing a girl to the next stop.

[Rory]

Yes, extremely common. Like, really, really, really common.

[Mal]

That would give me too much anxiety.

[Rory]

Especially if you're not. If you have A lot of dates, and you're doing a bus where you're driving in that day, performing, and then you have to drive to the next city. Yes. Extremely common.

[Mal]

If I leave Philly.

[Rory]

But then it gets awkward because then there's some girls that, like, think that that's not common, and they're like, oh, I'm on. I'm on the tour now. No, you're. You are from St. Louis to Chicago.

[Mal]

Yeah. Here's your Chinese bus ticket to get back home. Like, that's the thing. It's like, once you. I would imagine if you're bringing a girl to the next city, it means you didn't beat in the city where the show was.

[Rory]

You didn't have time, or. Yes, I have. I have seen that occurrence with the guys on the tour that, you know, aren't the. They're not on stage, per se. Like, they're not the ones women are looking at.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Outside of, like, the main act, there are, you know, the dj, maybe the hype man. There are, you know, just the manager in the back that no one can see, doesn't get as much. And then he finally finds a girl that he thinks he could and doesn't, then brings them for the next two, three cities until he.

[Mal]

That's sick. Bringing her for three dates.

[Rory]

Yeah. We're in a relationship. If you're going two tour dates with me, we. We go together. I could, like, what are we doing for Valentine's Day?

[Mal]

My thing is, like, once you. Once you get the nut off, go home. You got to go back to St. Louis.

[Rory]

But I also see both sides because I'm a nesting creature. I. As much as I've had my horror times, like, I'm not just the. The randoms all the time.

[Mal]

But I'm not even saying find a body cuffing everything.

[Rory]

But I. I like to, you know, be with them for some time rather than one random.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Which I know makes me really gay and uncool.

[Mal]

No, you are. It's fine. Valentine's Day, I could be.

[Rory]

I. I could see myself being that guy on the tour bus that everyone's looking at like, yo, bro, We. We're all. We're already in Nashville. Like, she's still here.

[Mal]

But also, if you're on the bus.

[Rory]

He picked her up in Seattle.

[Mal]

The homies are shitting on the bus and stuff. Like, that's the thing. It's no one sh.

[Rory]

T on the bus.

[Mal]

Some people shit on the bus. There's always one person that shit. The rule is no one shits on the bus. Someone always shits on the bus.

[Rory]

Now just go to the rest stop.

[Mal]

You're going to tell her, hey, girl from Minneapolis. Go in the rest stop in Tennessee.

[Rory]

Yeah, here's some wet wipes. Go do your thing. Everyone shits.

[Mal]

I'm gonna send her into the sheets.

[Rory]

But I Now I think about that when it comes to, like, a random girl you just meet, that is kind of the last thing on your mind of, like, will she have time to. Will there be a proper place?

[Mal]

Women don't. So she's fine. No. I don't know. I think once I would rather get. You got to send her home. Because, like, I just value the time alone. I just don't want to be accountable for someone else. And it also inconveniences. Everyone else is on the bus.

[Rory]

Yes, I would think more of my team tells, like, tour beds are awful. Not made for.

[Mal]

No. That's why it's like a twin xl.

[Rory]

There's the back where people switch off. But that's so I've heard. I promise, I did not participate in any of that.

[Mal]

But just switching off sheets with your man, like, knowing what that room is used for. It's the sheets to me.

[Rory]

I mean. But is it not common, too, for, like, guys to borrow hotel rooms from their friend? Even on a tour or just a vacation, if people are doubling up in one hotel room, it's like, yo, can I just use your room real quick? Yeah, but that happens.

[Mal]

Try to every morning, at least every day or whatever, get the maids to get the service to come in and service the room. So at least there's new sheets in the. OR towels available.

[Rory]

There was. There was a few Palooza dates that I came back to the hotel to an empty hotel room. But I, you know, had had a roommate, and we had two beds, and both beds seemed like they were messed up.

[Mal]

That's selfish.

[Rory]

I was like, I'm pretty sure the maid came. Like, you need to fuck on both beds. Like, I understand you want to show out to a whore that you just met, but, like, just put her on the desk. I don't give a fuck. Just don't use my bed, too. When you have a bed already.

[Mal]

Says the guy that put two beds together in a college dorm room in two weeks pass.

[Rory]

Man, I was. That was a super fair thing to do. Two weeks pass, no roommate. I'm putting the beds together. I don't think that's crazy at all.

[Mal]

I think it's crazy that he didn't say anything.

[Rory]

What was he gonna say?

[Mal]

Or at least be like, yo, I'm not living here like you nutted on my bed.

[Rory]

Also, don't show up at 2:00 in the morning two weeks later into the semester.

[Mal]

That's his right to though. You can't put him on the clock. Yeah, he had that. That was his time. He could just show up whenever the he wanted to. Nah, he showed up before classes started.

[Rory]

Late registration is only an album. That's not a real thing. Speaking of groupies on tour buses, I did see a very interesting headline on my way here. Eminem is producing a Stand documentary about obsessed fans. Now, when I first read the headline, I was hoping it was going to be direct shots at our biggest Stan groups like the Barbs, the Beehive, the Navy. Read more into it. It is about his obsessed fans, which I still think is going to be a very interesting document where even though it's only going to be about Eminem stands, I think some of the groups are going to have to come to the podium if it's an effective doc to see how. I wish Maul was here to say this is mental illness.

[Mal]

I agree.

[Rory]

I don't think it's about to show the obsessed Eminem fans the way they show them on trl. Like, I think it's going to make them look insane.

[Mal]

Yeah. And I agree. If you're. If you're an Eminem fan, you're mentally ill. I think they'd start there.

[Rory]

Do you like the song, Stan?

[Mal]

I get it's. I get its cultural value. The video was cool. The treatment for the video was cool.

[Rory]

You don't like the hook?

[Mal]

It's cool. It's a good song. Eminem has made good songs. I just think this whole Stand thing. So I think you're right. This will expose the weird, creepy side to that fandom.

[Rory]

And I think Eminem might be the only person that can do this right now. I think this is an extremely important topic to discuss. Just obsession in general about people you don't know, but it's at its highest peak. What was. What was the show that Chloe was getting her back blown out in like the first scene?

[Mal]

Oh, damn. That was the Donald Glover. Yeah.

[Rory]

Produced.

[Mal]

It was the. It was a show about the Beyonce's Beehive fans kind of.

[Rory]

They promoted it like it was going to be that. And they sort of touched upon that part of the brain, but not quite there. I don't think any superstar would one have the balls or even think it was a smart idea. Swarm, wasn't it? To discuss the possibility of mental illness within your fan base. Like, I see what you're saying. Nikki could never expose that because that. Those are her. You know, that's her army and she's active. That. Yes. Like, I mean, yeah, I'm just gonna stay away from Adolf jokes, but a leader is not going to expose his troops in any type of weakness. He's going to utilize them and continue to manipulate them to get to the end goal.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

M. And we're not going to have the same argument we had about that horrible bet Donald Trump freestyle. But my point in making that was that I respected that he made that decision even though the freestyle sucked. I respect this decision as well. I think this is an extremely important topic that needs to be talked about, and I think Em is the only one that could do it. He. He's cool. If he loses fans, he's fine. And what other artists would do that? Beyonce's not going to talk about the Beehive unless it's in the most positive light ever. And she knows a lot of them probably have a weird obsess.

[Mal]

Yeah. I think to your point, it plays better for legacy acts. We've said Eminem can give the majority of people that would vote for Trump that might identify as his fans a middle finger and be like, does none of this bothers me? I'm up a few hundred M's. Pick a side. I don't care. Coffee pot. But, like, I. I think it's awfully hot. Yeah, I. I think this is cool. Like, I think you're right. I. I would like this. I think this could be a moment for fans to kind of look themselves in the mirror and check their fandom and loyalty. I would hope. But off more often, than not, if you're this kind of fan, you're kind of out of the now.

[Rory]

Here's what sucks. That it's Eminem. We're gonna watch it. All Eminem fans are gonna watch it. It's gonna do great. It's gonna have crazy numbers. The people I think need to watch it or the conversation that needs to be had on social media. Like, you know how we do watch parties for the Grammys and the timelines? Amazing. Even with certain TV shows and certain documentaries, the people on the timeline that need to watch this and react and come to the podium are not going to see it because it's going to be an Eminem documentary. Like, even if Nikki did something like this, all the fans that hate Nikki would still watch it to then just debate and hate each other.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Eminem fans. It's Eminem fans and then no one else. Like there's not people that are besides you that sit around and want to hate on Eminem and watch something that you wouldn't watch solely to hate them.

[Mal]

I wouldn't.

[Rory]

Now Nicky fans, anytime Cardi B Breeze, they're going to watch that clip, see everything and vice versa. Rihanna, Navy. Even with Beyonce versus a Taylor Swift Swifty group. Like there's rivalries between all these hives that needs to be addressed. And if one of them did something, all the other hives would watch it. Eminem's hive just minds their business over here and no one even gives a fuck.

[Mal]

I'm not going to watch this for out of hate. I think I'm going to watch it out of curiosity for the, for the marketing and how this became a thing. I'm not look, no, nothing about this is going to change my opinion on Eminem or his music. Probably make it worse or his fans for that matter. I'm more curious about how this became how the stand became a thing and what mobilized. I think it was at the perfect time of the. The dawn of the Internet. We're seeing trl, like the, the group think dynamic came into play here. Like with the whole white shirt and dyed blonde hair. Like there was so much really smart marketing because so many just average looking Midwest white boys look like him.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

And you could all identify in. In see yourself in this person. And I think they took a really. Did a really good job of capitalizing on that in his marketing and his music, etc. And I'm curious. I hope they kind of peel that curtain back and show how intentional this was.

[Rory]

I'm sure they will. And M has spoken about that type of stuff in white America. So I know he's not scared to address like, hey, a lot of my success and weird fans is based off the marketing.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Of being a white blonde kid from the Midwest. I guess my point more is if hypothetically Nikki did something like this and exposed some of the barbs for probably having a weird obsession that needs to be studied a bit just for humanity.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

All of the Cardi B stand, the Barty gang would all watch it so they could clown how mentally ill the barbs are. And I think we need that moment for Bardi gang to look in the mirror at the same time.

[Mal]

Yes.

[Rory]

Because they're going to watch it and they would clown all the barbs. But then the barbs can turn around and say, you're just as mentally ill. Like they just Broke down How stands are legitimately need to be studied.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

This is an obsession and a weird mental illness that we need to fix. No one's gonna look in the mirror. That's the only thing I'm saying.

[Mal]

So how do you think Barbs are.

[Rory]

Not gonna watch it and be like, oh, man.

[Mal]

Well, with that. Okay, with that being said, do you think that what conversations do you think will come of this show? Like, what will actually. Will not people change or anything important come of it? Or is this just like a moment in time? More of a history lesson again, kind.

[Rory]

Of back to my point of Em and his fan base. I think it'll be like his recent albums where it'll do a lot of numbers, but it won't spark any conversation outside of the Eminem fan base. I think there'll be some write ups. And of course it's press. Like it's Eminem.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I just don't know if it will reach where it needs to reach. And that's the Internet stand community for real. That needs to maybe look at themselves in the mirror after watching that doc and say, am I Stan from that video? And then I'd love to see the debate on why the stands don't think they're stands.

[Mal]

There's always that angle.

[Rory]

Like, why don't you think you're a stand everyone? And I've, you know, I've seen some people that aren't fully off the rocker that are like, well, I'm obsessed. This person makes me feel better. I strive to be like them. I like them based off these positive qualities. I like their music. What's the difference? You guys obsess over the Yankees. Like, what's the difference? This is my team. This is the thing I like. And I can see some sense in that on a surface level, but we all know that's not really what, like they're making fake pages and leaking addresses and trying to get people harmed. Like, that's who I want to come to the podium and say, okay, maybe I am fucked up.

[Mal]

You can stand in a positive way though. I think that they're standing that like, I feel like, like most things, we look for the negative as the headline. I think there's like the doxing side of things, the. The violence side of things and like the trolling side. That's what gets a lot of notoriety and attention. But I think there's a healthy. The way I look at stands, the way I look at, like hyper fans in general is the same way I look at people. Yeah. The sports Is a good comparison. But also it's to a religious effect.

[Rory]

Sure.

[Mal]

You're looking to someone to lead you and for something to believe in that to you, it's bigger than you and you're contributing to a community. The rest of the stands and fans or whoever. And your singular focus is. That's why I think Beyonce and artists like Taylor and even Nikki, like, are so easy to follow because they're. They're telling you this like Beyonce, hey, we did the dance. Now. Now this group, as a group, we're country now. You have to be. We're moving. And you can identify. So now what? They're going to get the boots, they're going to get the hats. Like, there's. There's visual aids to enhance the. The standness of it. You can become something.

[Rory]

Well, I don't know. Because the extremes before. And I hate that we always kind of bring in the point that social media changed everything. Because before, you'd get like the Selena head of the fan group that killed her.

[Mal]

The ultimate stand, by the way.

[Rory]

But then also, like, John Lennon was murdered by somebody that read Catcher in the Rye and was so scared that John Lennon was going to be a sellout and phony that he killed him before he could sell out. That's obsessive stance having that book break you.

[Mal]

Holden Caulfield was such a pussy.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah.

[Mal]

That character. Like, what are we. That's the character that over the edge to kill John Lennon.

[Rory]

And like the way how pretentious he felt by thinking phony was going to like, hurt anyone's feeling like, yo, you're phony. Like, all right, bro.

[Mal]

Get the.

[Rory]

Your name's Holden. Shut the up.

[Mal]

Get the gun.

[Rory]

Great book, though.

[Mal]

It's a classic.

[Rory]

That there was always stance. But the most damage they could really do unless they were doing Selena or John Lennon was just buy a lot of T shirts and follow them on the road.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Now stands typically are. And we both know I'm not a psychiatrist, but let me pretend. Typically stands or people that join cults are missing a void in their life. Back to what you're saying. They're trying to be led. They're very insecure, hurt people that are easy to manipulate because they're just looking for something to follow.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

That on the Internet, that type of human being, once they feel they've joined the cult, is dangerous to everyone else. When you can find addresses and harm other artists or anyone that has an opinion in the media that says anything about the artist they like, they can then go threaten Their family on Facebook. Like, yeah, it's different now that the Internet is here because it gives people so much access to cause so much harm. And even though I am one of the people that's on, like, the Tyler creator side of, like, cyberbullying, just close your phone. That's not how the world works now.

[Mal]

Yeah, you can.

[Rory]

You can really fuck with a young person's brain when they're reading nothing but hateful things on the Internet. And it happens to people that have 100 followers that say, I didn't like the Nikki album and now 100,000 people are finding out where they work. Yeah, that's the. The wild shit.

[Mal]

The. You're right. Because with the social media, because before, prior to the Internet era, support, more often than not was happening in silence. Whether it be tickets. You go to the show, get the merch. Like, your bedroom would be covered in shit, but no one else would know. It was just for you. And it was for. Maybe if you have a girlfriend or a friend or whoever that's in your town that feels the same thing. You share memorabilia, all that. I think what the unhealthy side of the stand in the social media era is the competition to outsmart stand the stands.

[Rory]

That's. Yeah.

[Mal]

So now you're like, oh, no, I like Beyonce more than you. Like, I will. So then it becomes the. This hyper extreme situation here. But it's like, okay, well, this person that we know talks about Nikki. I'm the bigger Beyonce fan than a girl that I'm already friends with. I'm going to prove how much more of a fan I am. I'm going to go beat up that Nikki fan.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

And it's to prove that I'm the better fan. Even though we're both standing the same person, I want to show that I care more about this than you do.

[Rory]

And to me, that's where things have changed so drastically after the song Stan came out. Yeah, because that's when it went off the rails. Like, with all Internet shit. Now you could be. You can be a fan. I could be a stand before by myself. Now I can be a stand with access to everybody in the world. If I'm that obsessed, even a casual, I can. I can project my fandom onto anyone that's just minding their business and going, like, I don't really like that song.

[Mal]

We share new artists, we talk music all the fucking time. And, like, there's even incidences with, like, people that you're close with and people that you're putting, like, if you share a song, the, like, the first response, like, no, I already been on that. It's always like, who knew? Who knew more first? Who's aware of something before it became a thing. It always seems like even just being a fan of music is a competitive sport. Like, you didn't put me on. I've been on that.

[Rory]

And. And I always hated those fans that, like, once you loved an artist and then once everyone else found out about him, like, I don't really like.

[Mal]

I like Lonnie, bro. All right, bro. Frank, he's still great. Frank's awesome. Like, Frank Ocean, Channel Orange and blonded are incredible.

[Rory]

Pop music is okay.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, I like pop music.

[Mal]

I don't like him after he went number one. Why not? He's super rich now, but even, like.

[Rory]

Successful life, those type of fans are just annoying. They're just pretentious and annoying. That's all they are. Like, there's always been annoying fans. Now there's harmful fans.

[Mal]

That's fair. Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, that. That person. That person is just like, is still. Like, I'm still on SoundCloud. Like, I'm just gonna. I'm gonna find the next one. Like, oh, yeah. Oh, you guys call him Frank. Like, that's Lonnie. Everyone knows that. Like, were you born in New Orleans with him? Like, how the fuck I call him Lonnie? That fan is just annoying as fuck. They've never harmed anyone. They kind of just keep to themselves. This wave, not so much. And I. You worked at a label. Let's talk about how fucked up it is. When the goal now is to gather as many mentally ill people as you can. That is the. That's the plan.

[Mal]

Swag. Like, yeah, no, it's a fucking amazing.

[Rory]

We need to arm the mentally ill in regards to streaming our artists, you know, in, like, casual conversations. Like, yo, he's got a core fan base. And they're like, oh, that's dope. No, no, no. Like, that type of core fan base. And then you're like, oh, he's going to be successful for the rest of his career.

[Mal]

The sickest thing is.

[Rory]

And we know what that means.

[Mal]

Yeah. The sickest thing is. And sorry for the stands out there. Like, I did digital marketing. So the sick thing about it is, more often than not, we're setting up all those accounts on behalf of the artist, using their name, using their likeness, whatever. Like, the community phone lines, the Snapchats, all this shit that you think you're communicating with them on. It's us. Or if it's not me. It's my assistant that's running the account and talking. You're never really talking to the artist.

[Rory]

Tell that to the guys that are subscribing to only fans.

[Mal]

What?

[Rory]

They're talking to her manager.

[Mal]

You're talking to a man in Arizona. Yeah, what I'll do.

[Rory]

That girl doesn't even know her only fans password.

[Mal]

What I'll do and what I would. What I did is. And this is inside baseball. You just text the artist or get on a phone, call them like, hey, bro, can you send me a selfie video of you saying, for the next hour, I'm on my community swipe. Like, swipe up. And they obviously put the link on their story. You tap the link, oh, my God, I'm texting so and so you're not. It's me, and I'm in. I'm probably taking a shit. You're texting me on the toilet and. Yeah, and you window this building, you.

[Rory]

Actually kind of suffers the most. Outside of the people that have, like, their families threatened and addresses put out, the. The art is the regular. The regular fan who now almost feels shamed. Like, there is no. Everything's a felony. There's no misdemeanors, or, like, just that if you go on Reddit or, like, go on Discord or, like, support just something you like. Now it's like, yo, you're Dick Rider. Stammers like, no, I just like discussing a podcast I listen to with other people that like to discuss it. There's nothing harmful going on. Yeah, but doing that, you get that stigma right away. Like, there is no gray area. It's either you're not a fan or now you're a stand. We know that's not true, but that's how the Internet even says to people if they are like, yeah, no, I'm really into that. That pod. And like, I. I talk to other people around the country about it and, like, it's a cool part. Like, are you fucking dick riding Stan? It's like, whoa, No, I don't care. I don't care about their personal lives like that. I just enjoy the show.

[Mal]

I don't get why that gets such a negative stigma. Like, because.

[Rory]

Because of Stan culture. It was not a negative stigma before.

[Mal]

But even within our. Our community, like the. The podcast, like the. The show. The podcast discord that we dip in and out of all time. Like, I don't look at. We don't look at anyone like that. Weird. But it's not even like, oh, there's Support. It's just bro, like it's. You're not talking about weird shit, you're.

[Rory]

Just talking about normal because of Stan culture. Now regular barbershop banter when you're defending your favorite artist can be perceived as being a stand. When that's not the case. To me you're just debating and talking about artists that you like and are biased about. Sometimes that's not standom. It's when you're harming people because they don't like the same thing you like.

[Mal]

So you think the level of no.

[Rory]

Pun intended discord is okay conversation amongst people that like the same thing or dislike the same thing and have a healthy conversation about it. That's not stand. That's just being a fan.

[Mal]

But if your definition of Stan is going is. Is inviting harm into the mix, so few people that would are probably considered stands do the harm. Do harmful things to others. Really think about how much violence or.

[Rory]

Like how much I think now in the. In these days, especially with a lot of it being young kids, Internet bullying is harm. Like the way they destroy kids that have a developing 13 year old brain that just want to discuss something on the Internet. The way they're attacked. I'm not saying their address gets put out or they get fired from a gig. Just having a phone and just seeing everyone destroy your avi fucking tell you they hate you. Like all this is harmful. And I don't think the regular fan that just wants to go on discord or wants to defend their artist in a debate is a Stan. The stands are the one that are just harming someone because they tweeted yo, I don't like that song.

[Mal]

Like I've had obsessive relationships with certain artists, but I've never thought about going out of my way to like harm someone else or even bully someone else on the Internet because they think otherwise. But I would say less now. Like Kanye for me was a big influence in. In the Stani kind of relationship for. For years and then Mac Miller as well. But I don't. But I would never like. I'm. I've never crossed my mind to do the harm shit but I would still consider myself to stand.

[Rory]

It's interesting you say that because even. And we can plug our Patreon real quick. We will have little brother on our patreon for a great interview. We showed a photo of me and Fonte when I was 16. Yeah, him and I are really cool now in us getting really cool which you know, took. We've known each other for. For A while outside of me, just going to the shows, like, on a music business side. That was always in the back of my head of, like, I wonder if Fonte thinks I'm a weirdo. Because, like, I've been to every Foreign Exchange show in the city. Like, I have a familiar face. I wonder if he thinks I'm weird. That in the beginning of, like, our association. Shit. Outside of me, going to shows, like, hey, maybe work on some music together, like, POD shit, or we can work now. I. Yeah, it was in the back of my mind because of Stan Culture. I was not that at all. But it makes you think when that's so regular on the Internet now, that. All right, if he knows I was at every show, I wonder if he thinks I'm just, like, some weird, obsessed fan. Yeah. Was in the back of my head. Yeah.

[Mal]

But I. It's different. Like you said, now you have a working relationship. Like, that relationship changes and it's more.

[Rory]

No. And it did. None of that even came up or was ever a discussion or even felt that way, but it was in the back of my brain in the beginning.

[Mal]

Did you ever talk about that?

[Rory]

No.

[Mal]

Because you're very open. Every time we see them or every time we're with them, you're very open.

[Rory]

Oh, he's. He's well aware of, you know, because even Fonte was big on. On Twitter when it first started. We all had that Twitter community.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Outside of Fonte being a rapper, he was part of that. That community, and he knew how I felt about Little Brother. I was just like, oh, every time he's been in New York, I've been damn near front row. Like, buy tickets, buy merch. Like, I'm there all the time.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And some I could see with this culture, someone being like. And I think it's actually even a little weirder for artists that aren't as popular, because you do run into the same people all the time.

[Mal]

All the time.

[Rory]

Like, I don't view it that way. When we see a lot of the same people at the shows or, like, mentions, dms, ig, stories. Like, I don't. I think it's great. I just think that's a loyal listener. Some people could be scared, though, based off how crazy Stan Culture has gotten, that this person, like, you're here all the time. Could. Is there something else going on here?

[Mal]

You've had some. I don't know if you want to talk about it here or Patreon, I don't know, but you've had some, like, people by way of, like, things that have happened publicly become stand in, like, the negative way. Like, they hate you so much that they want to, like, scout your house or, like, track your whereabouts and like that. So that's another side of the. I mean, yes, they're not the fan of you, per se, but they're still on.

[Rory]

There's. They're still a fan. It's just the. It's the other side.

[Mal]

It's the other side.

[Rory]

Yeah, you're still a fan. You. You're. You're a fan of negativity in my life. You want to make sure negative things happen to me. That's still a fan.

[Mal]

How often is that? Especially. I mean, I hate to bring her up. And they always complain that we talk about Amara too fucking much.

[Rory]

But guess what?

[Mal]

That's your part of your life. That's our reality. Suck a dick.

[Rory]

I saw on Twitter, I think, yesterday, take a shot every time the podcast says Amara.

[Mal]

Yeah, we'll.

[Rory]

We'll all be fucked. I'm like, well, you're a lightweight because three shot. Like, three shots is going to get you. Two shots is going to get you in. Like, you're.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You're holding in that opinion.

[Mal]

Yeah, exactly.

[Rory]

I mean, outside of. I've talked about being one of the few people that admits that Internet comments can affect them sometimes and, like, piss me off. And, like, I'm not always like, oh, I don't get it. Like, I. They affect. Sometimes. I know it's not cool to say it, but that never bothered me to the point of people showing up to my house and, like, yeah, like, sending me photos in the DM of of me and my kid walking. Like, that's where things start to get. Your Reddit comments are. Are fine. Just wish death upon me over there, because now I'm gonna shoot you. Like, that's where things differ.

[Mal]

Yeah, but that would. But I'm saying, did your energy change with the I'm gonna shoot you approach? That wasn't the same thought process pre Amara, even though they still want harmony before.

[Rory]

Because I'd had really come to my house before, well before Amara. And yeah, at that point, I'm Pull up. I'm so sick. I was like, do it again. Cl. I'm mad. I missed you. See, See that garage there? That first closet is full.

[Mal]

Don't. Rory, they know where you.

[Rory]

No, they can't get in that lockbox. And they're. They're also upstairs, too. So I'd love to have a. A gentleman's duel on the steps if you'd like if you can get into that, that's safe.

[Mal]

Yo, speaking of that gentleman's duel, that era, imagine, like, in the Hamilton days, like, your life is on the line. And not just your life, like your kids, the. The whole family obviously let rest on your hands, and you're gonna put your life in the mutual respect that you and this other random dude that you don't with are going to take three steps in the opposite direction before turning around and shooting. Would you take those three. Fuck the steps. Just shoot the guy. What is that? I never understood that. The gentleman's duel, being a gentleman, he's trying to kill you. Shoot him.

[Rory]

All the stands that get super upset when and think I have white guilt, you can skip past this part. I think that proved, like, how dumb white people truly are. Because before we tried to invade America and there was the French and Indian War, and, like, when we learned guerrilla tactics from the Native Americans, we were standing and looking at each other and say, 1, 2, 3.

[Mal]

That's what I'm saying. Like.

[Rory]

Like, that's how dumb white people were. And then the Native Americans and Mel Gibson were like, yo, like, what if we hide?

[Mal]

I didn't.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah. What if I hide and then, you know, I shoot you?

[Mal]

Yeah. How about. Yeah, we don't. We don't write each other menacing feather pen letters and say, meet at this field at high noon. Yeah, fuck the field. No, like, I'm pulling up, I'm an ambush you from behind in the bushes and fucking knock your whole team out.

[Rory]

And of course, I know there's strategy to that war, but, like, it is kind of luck of a draw if we're standing there. All right, now you shoot. All right. Bet I have to reload. Now you shoot.

[Mal]

It's like playing knockout. Like, did you get your layup off? No, fuck that. I'm throwing your ball on the other end of the court. I'm shooting you in the face immediately.

[Rory]

Yeah. How could that solve things? I just. It's a really weird strategy to solve things, but I think we're kind of back to it. No, it's weird how everything comes full circle. That's how war started. Of just lining up. You shoot your musket, I shoot my musket, and who's ever left gets to go to Virginia. We're kind of back with drones to that style. In between there, World War II, World War I, Vietnam, we're in the trenches with strategy, trying to hide and outflank people and all this other wild. Yeah, we're Back to the Civil War. We just got a drone and we just hit. And then. Okay, you send your drone, and then we'll send our drone. Oh, and then we'll threaten you with a nuke. It's not a feather pen letter, it's an email. But your citizens will stand there, we'll drop something, then we'll send another unmanned plane to drop some more shit. We're back at it.

[Mal]

True. Should we play a voicemail?

[Rory]

We can get to voicemail.

[Mal]

You've got mail. In the spirit of what's his holiday? Valentine's Day. Here's a. Here's a callback for someone that needs some help. Hey, it's Nick from Baltimore.

[Rory]

That last recording. How y'all deal with your first heartbreak? I'm 22.

[Mal]

Yeah, see y'all A lot of detail.

[Rory]

I feel like I told my first, like real heartbreak. Like not when I was like in middle school and was like, oh, she didn't like me. I took the bus from Jersey City to Fort Lee, which is only local takes about Jersey City. For those that don't know. Jersey City to Fort Lee, when it's not crazy traffic, you can get there 20 minutes, 15 minutes. If you speed like an idiot like me on the bus, it takes about three hours. The way it goes. After my first heartbreak on Valentine's Day, after she broke up with me probably two weeks prior to that. Wasn't like she gave me any hope, like where she was still texting me. You know, sometimes when there's a breakup, you can see yourself getting back. They're. They're leaving it open. People are texting each other. Still checking in on you.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

No communication. Cold. Cold.

[Mal]

What. What led that? Did you up or was it. She backed. What happened?

[Rory]

It had been like a couple things, definitely my doing with. With the fuck ups. She was very much right. It wasn't just one specific thing. It was just constant with me. I. I wasn't fully committed. Not on some cheating shit. I just wasn't fully committed to the relationship.

[Mal]

Gotcha.

[Rory]

Yeah, I just. I treated it like. It was like I was just talking to her, but yet I said we were in a relationship. So I take the three hour bus ride on Valentine's Day with. That's sick with flowers, chocolate Subway cookies. Because she really likes subway cookies.

[Mal]

Those do hit.

[Rory]

They're. They are great.

[Mal]

They're great.

[Rory]

I thought I was in love because I resisted the urge to eat the subway cookies on the three hour bus ride. She was into Hennessy. I'm sorry. It was a different Time I had some Henny as well. And no, this is the sickest part. A DVD she left at my apartment that she told me in the midst of the last time we spoke to keep it. Like, I don't like guys. Like, oh, you don't want your stuff? And she was like, keep it. I brought the dvd. Like, now I'm gonna bring her DVD back.

[Mal]

What was it a copy of?

[Rory]

It might have been Drumline. I don't know.

[Mal]

Director's cut. Another.

[Rory]

Yeah, they did the commentary and another.

[Mal]

Nick Cannon snare solo at the end.

[Rory]

So I get up to Fort Lee and I knew. I, you know, I knew how to get into her building. Not in like a creepy way, but I knew the side doors that were open. But she lived with her mom. So I'm. I'm getting up to her floor and her mom is walking out. And her mom was aware and, like, we had a cool relationship. She said, let's go, let's go. I said, what? I just wanted to drop this stuff. I was like, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. I'm gonna do the best thing that's ever happened to you right now. What? So we get to her car and she's like, I'm going to drive you back. I was like, no, no, it's fine. While she's driving me back, she is explaining to me and this I'll kind of harsh. And I'm not making any stuff. She's like, just look at it as a piece of pussy. My daughter does not like you. She's not going to get back with you. You're showing up here now is making it worse. View this as a piece of pussy and move on because it's not going anywhere. And you're going to make this 10 times worth for yourself if you keep doing. Because I was texting her too with no reply. Like, that was the first show up. But, you know, it was Valentine's Day.

[Mal]

How long did you eat the cookies in the car or when you got home?

[Rory]

Oh, no, I. I didn't. Her speech didn't hit me until way later. I thought there was still hope. I left everything in her car.

[Mal]

That's.

[Rory]

I know her mom ate the subway cookies. Probably kept the henny and threw everything else out. Or maybe she kept Drumline. I don't know.

[Mal]

You don't throw out Drumline. Yeah, but.

[Rory]

Yeah, and I just thought that was like the most gangster ever to talk about your daughter that way. But it's really to try to help me. Like, it's not gonna happen. She was protecting her. Her daughter's piece while telling me, view it this way. Maybe not the most sound advice, but some gangster advice.

[Mal]

Well, how'd you get.

[Rory]

I feel like Maul would. Would talk to me that way.

[Mal]

For real? Yeah, definitely.

[Rory]

Like it's a piece of pussy. Move the fuck on.

[Mal]

Well, okay. Well, that being said, how did you ultimately get over it? Because this, our young 22 year old here.

[Rory]

I don't even. I don't even consider it a first heartbreak. Now time. You have to give time time. I got over it eventually and realized like I was more obsessed with the heartbreak and the idea that she no longer wanted to be with me than that relationship. Like, I got over it not super quickly, but once I was over it, I viewed it like I never even loved that girl. I just loved the. The idea of it. And my ego got hurt when she was the one that broke up with me. Then I wanted to take it seriously. Yeah. I'm not saying that he's going to end up viewing it that way. Maybe he truly does love this person. But when you're that young, sometimes you view things as love that are not love. They're just love for the moment. You get over it. And once it's over, it's over. Like you don't even think about it at all. With those first heartbreaks.

[Mal]

Yeah. Yeah, I. I guess similarly, I. My first relationship was like two and a half years, but I was in college and it felt real at the time. Obviously.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

And just different ways. But I don't know. There's something about when I hear 22, I just, it. You're not an adult. There's so much life and experiences stuff that happens to you. Not just like career wise and even in that regard, just experience wise and personal growth wise where it's like, I don't. I'm skeptical or weary of people that not date at that age. Dating's fine. But like that like lock in and they're like, this is my person. And that just so much happens to someone.

[Rory]

And when you were asking earlier, like what I did, it's kind of to what you were talking about. I wasn't like a shithead. I was just so focused on other things at 22, whether it was career shit, friendship experience shit.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

That I was dumb enough to think that I should also have a relationship at that time and did not balance them out well at all. Everything else took precedent over it. And she was just like, well, I'm like, I'm not doing this. Like this is stupid. But that 22 brain of like, no, no, like, I'm gonna eventually marry her. And like, this is the one. And yeah, it sucked for eight, nine months after the breakup. Like, it did suck. But once again, I was over it. I realized that that was not a relationship. Even the way I treated it wasn't a real relationship. So you, you kind of get over that first heartbreak if you add perspective to it of what you were doing. And that's not everyone's situation. But even if you're the one that. Let's use the cheating thing. Let's say you're 22 and your first heartbreak is because you got cheated on.

[Mal]

You got cheated on or you.

[Rory]

Yeah, let's do that scenario.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

You want to, you want to be in a relationship with someone that cheated on you at 22. And like, don't think that that's going to continue throughout the rest of your 20s. Like, you have to put perspective to it for the rest of your life when you're in your 20s, which is an extremely hard thing to do and very mature. But you can have that thought in your head if you're having that heartbreak. Like, how was I treated this way? Because you're young as. And do you think continuing on with this type of behavior is going to have some magical turn when you guys turn 23?

[Mal]

I mean, it's like, it's not going to change. I still, you mentioned it earlier and I feel like it's a line that like, a lot of men in particular get off. And I, I have had this conversation, like, the self evaluation moment of. For so long. And still today I'll do the. This isn't right for me. I still have to figure out. I'm so invested in what I'm trying to do with my career.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

And the person I want to be. Then I always, like, think about, I try to think about it from like outsiders, objectively, from like a omniscient perspective. Like, okay, wait a minute. What is the comfort level? Like, what is the baseline goal for me to be satisfied with who I am, whether it be financially, career wise, the, the things that I've been prioritizing to then be like, okay, these boxes are checked. Now let me commit and prioritize someone else. Because I've been thinking this for my adult life. It's like, when is that there's no singular. I'm not. It's not lost on me that there is no singular moment that's going to be like the turnkey. Now you're ready. And I just don't know how to break that mold.

[Rory]

And it's.

[Mal]

This is becoming very therapeutic.

[Rory]

It's funny. Back. Back to Stan culture because I'm a Jay Z. Stan. That second verse of Lost Ones, which people assumed he was talking about Beyonce of, like, if I was 23, I would probably love my work more than I did she. But she is her, and she got to go do her shit. Like, I'm ready for this relationship now. But she's 23 and focused on her goals. When I was 23, I used to love that bar because I had that dumb 20s mentality that things might change. Like, let me focus on my career here. And then 30s, I'll. I'll smoke it with marriage and kids. And, like, that's when things settle down. And that's the catch 22 of. I hate the word ambition because it's corny now. But when you have drive and focus and really obsess over your career and everything that you're doing, it doesn't turn off. You just need to learn how to adjust to that when you get older. In no way, I'm. I'm just like, I have the same mentality I had when I was in my twenties. Now I'm not like, well, you know, now I just pull back my love for everything I've been doing just. Just to do this family thing now, because I think this is the years you're supposed to do it. You just have to adjust to it. You just have to. You just have to adjust. It's never going to go away. Because I used to think the same thing you're saying.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

When I would hear that Hove bar. Yeah. I'm 23. I'm doing what I'm supposed to do, then I can turn it off and do the family thing. It doesn't work that way. If you are that obsessive about things, you're going to continue to stay that way. If you're that passionate about what you're doing, it's not going to fade away because you feel like now is the time to have a family and focus on that or have a relationship. You just need to change how you move to balance both of those things. And I think that's the only thing that can happen.

[Mal]

Yeah. And from. And for me, I think I've had, like, the. The pleasure of watching you, like, bring. With Amara. Take a shot.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

With. When Amara came around and it was now you had a family. It was. It wasn't like, oh, the rest of this takes a backseat. Because best case scenario, what you were able to do, like, this is a self sufficient thing. This is a company. You've made it a thing where it's. It's the success. You did it. So. But the doing it doesn't mean you plateau and it becomes easy and you can just go on coast mode. I've seen firsthand the studio, the building, this from the work started more once it became a real thing.

[Rory]

Because, I mean, that's also for most people. Once you have kids, it's. Now you have to make sure everyone can eat. Not everyone.

[Mal]

More.

[Rory]

Not everyone retires with like, you know, sells their company. And now I can lay back with all this money and it doesn't matter. No, now I got to turn it up more because I have kids. But then at the same time, it's like, am I sacrificing time with them? And it becomes a weird balance, but also kicks into somebody that is obsessive about what they do and passionate about. You turn it on with your kids as well. That's why you get in hyper mode and are able to continue to work and be with your children because your ambition is still with your kids as well. It goes across the board. I mean, unless you're a piece of shit that just wants to work and says, fuck my family. But yeah, it's across. You just become a more evolved person. It doesn't turn off. Yeah, there's never. There's never going to be a date the way how I know you are and how you felt in your 20s and how you are now. There's not going to be a day where you're like, oh, today I turned 36. And how I obsess over my personal career and my personal growth and my love for myself is now done and I'm ready for the wife and kids. It just has to be added to that, which is a very hard fucking thing to do.

[Mal]

Trying, man. Sucks. Here I am, it's Valentine's Day. It's two dudes talking Valentine's Day. And I got no yesterday.

[Rory]

We're shooting. Demar's in her take a shot. Amara's in her stroller napping right to the studio. Like, if you're gonna continue to get done, you need to. Yeah, do it with your kids. Like, people give Dame Dash a lot of. And it's ironic that Lost Ones also has a Dame Dash verse I've always admired. Even though Damon, his kid has. Have had struggles. Dame moves around with his wife, his dog and his kids like everywhere he goes to every interview, anytime you see him when he's in his compound out in LA shooting stuff, I always thought that was, like, the fly dame is always with his family. I think that shit is so cool. It can be stressful and sometimes make work a little bit more difficult because you have so many other things going on that you have to focus. But, yeah, to have your kids around, this is cool. It's the only way I see. I see it working. Because I'm not. Not going to go to the studio.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah, of course.

[Rory]

Like, that's not going to happen. I'm. And. But I'm also never going to choose the studio over my kid. So.

[Mal]

Bring them.

[Rory]

Find the value.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah. Robbie, our engineer over here, she was trying to give him mixing notes last night. She was very rude.

[Mal]

That was a great photo you posted, by the way. The Ms. Rachel.

[Rory]

Yeah. And even, like, yesterday was a great example of that. Key and Amara came to the studio. They were there for, like, half the session. Then they left, which is helpful to Kia as well, that, like, she's not just by herself with Amara. We got some work done, then they left to go back to the crib, and then Robbie and I locked in for another hour and a half, no distractions, and then went right back home. That. That's, like, the perfect scenario of balance to me, that's not always attainable, but, you know, but when it's the best way I see it.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah. I hope Amar doesn't have, you know, her ears aren't.

[Mal]

But although. Because it's tough having these conversations because we're only talking about it from your perspective, and I'm sure you have these conversations with Kia. Like, you're saying this is the best for you, but is that the best.

[Rory]

For her as far as, like, what she wants to do with.

[Mal]

Well, I just mean, like, you're saying, you know, like. Like you're saying these studio sessions aren't going to stop. So, like, what's the fix around? What's the workaround for you while bringing Kamara and K? I'm saying, like, sounds like it's. It's best fitting for you, but I'm.

[Rory]

Speaking from a priv. Privileged place, for sure, because we're in a. We're in la for, what, 12, 11 days? I've been out. I came out before you guys, so about 12 days. I, fortunately, can fly Kia and Amara out here with me so she doesn't have to be alone for 12 days. But again, I'm doing what's working for me, and that's kind of my point. Is however you are as a human being, you need to adjust to make things work. I can only speak for me.

[Mal]

Yeah, I mean, I get. But I also. I would imagine she would. Obviously. That's a long time. It's almost two weeks. She'd prefer to be out here with you. I was speaking more to, like.

[Rory]

Because it's tough. It's tough for her. Like, we don't do the nanny thing based off Kia wanting to be with Amara at all times, but that shit gets super stressful. So to leave her alone for 12 days with a toddler. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not doing that because that. She would lose her mind, as she should, as any human being would.

[Mal]

Yeah, that would suck.

[Rory]

Yeah. So, you know, luckily, I can do that, but. No, that's. Even people that can't do that still figure it out as far as being with their kids and working. It's doable. It sucks sometimes, but it's doable. And I'm only a year in, so, like, I'm not an expert. I'm only talking about my experience. In my experience only. That's. That's it. And I've failed a bunch of times, but this is the best way that I know how to do it is just. Just have them around at all times. It's better for the family and the work, because both can get done at the same time.

[Mal]

True. All right.

[Rory]

I wanted to grab a drink with you and Armani last night, but, you know, Balance. I would have loved to leave the studio and have some tequila, but Balance.

[Mal]

Should have brought Amara. We were at a lounge. It was chill.

[Rory]

That should have brought your kid. It was chill. It was a lounge.

[Mal]

Delilah's. No. 796.

[Rory]

Bringing your kid to Delilah's. Not even Drake brings his kids.

[Mal]

That I. I don't know. Well, that back room, you could. Yeah, you could bring whoever the you want in that back room. Well, this is such a local obnoxious conversation.

[Rory]

And listen, stars that don't. And I'm not. This isn't a Drake thing, but stars that don't take care of their kids or have their kids everywhere are weird as fuck to me.

[Mal]

Oh, so everyone.

[Rory]

That's not true.

[Mal]

Beyonce, when she tours, they bring the whole family. I know. They don't care.

[Rory]

Okay. The one time I talked about when I went to Puffs for New Year's Eve, when I went to use the bathroom, Khaled had his kid with. With nannies, which is fine. And was going back and forth to the party because they were Doing content like he was working. Don't get it twisted. Khaled was working.

[Mal]

Say, was Azad there for the rollout or no?

[Rory]

And you know, again, this is privileged shit because you can hire nannies and also a separate wing of puffs crib can have two nannies in a bed for his son to sleep while he works. But yeah, I've seen it. That's why I think stars, because they have all the privilege and do have the money and access are the truest deadbeats to me. If they don't take care of their kids by far like the true. There's a lot of people that I think get the deadbeat tag when they shouldn't. It's because they're really just trying to provide for their kid and can't be around that often people. You have money to do a nanny and travel like and don't have your kids there for that experience. I read 50's book 50 broad. Marcus on two tours brought responsible nannies was with him in between shows. Like you can do it. Just say you hate your kids.

[Mal]

Yeah, I was gonna say that. The truth of the matter is they don't want to raise you. Don't want to for you don't want to forego that. Like you said, it's about mattering working into your schedule. Yeah, well, get the out of my schedule. I just want to go on the road. I want to do my thing.

[Rory]

Even Cole talking about 21 Savage at the beginning of a lot like, yo, I put up the studio. He had all his kids in the. In the studio. I thought that was the cool. Like there. There are plenty of entertainers that do do that. But then, you know, you find out some rich people that could. Could bring their kids anywhere and with a safe environment where they could work and let the nanny handle a few hours. Don't is like that's. That's the worst shit on earth to me. Like now you're just really an irresponsible and evil human being. But I don't even know how we got down this. Yeah, now it's. Now it's morbid.

[Mal]

I'm sure Old kid breaking up and shit.

[Rory]

Dumper.

[Mal]

Yeah. You'll find someone else. You're young, dude.

[Rory]

Yeah. Oh my God.

[Mal]

Let's go rub one out and get on the timeline.

[Rory]

I'm telling you this now, sir. At 22 years old, this pain you're feeling sucks. But if you stay with her and think that's the one, you're gonna feel a different type of pain at 35. When you guys break up and you've only one girl and had one experience since then, that'll be a way worse pain of trying to date at 35 after you've been in a 10 year relationship. Way worse pain. Look at it that way.

[Mal]

Yeah, more fish in the sea. Keep swimming. That's all I gotta say.

[Rory]

I'm still subscribed to only fan we know you are.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Well, yeah, that got. That got deep out of nowhere. That was nice though.

[Mal]

I appreciated that.

[Rory]

It was cute.

[Mal]

Thank you.

[Rory]

I just feel like it would have been nice to have mall there to call me gay or you know, break. Break the tension when we get down into that. Those deep categories. But it's not. Rest in peace to mall. We miss him. We hope he feels better. Go get a. Go get some slides. Go get a half zip. Go get some socks. Valentine's Day passed. This following week is now for the side chicks. I mean these, the slides are. They're reasonably priced. That's a good side chick gift. I mean for the main I would get this half zip but you know, socks and slides easy post Valentine's Day gift. I'm not going to say our. Our sign off.

[Mal]

Don't look to me to say. I don't like saying. See, I don't like better N word.

[Rory]

People are saying the N word. Rel's racially ambiguous. We don't know. I'm not gonna do it.

[Mal]

Should I say it? Because it'll send the. They'll. They'll get mad.

[Rory]

It was like when logic was saying the N word. We're like, is he okay to say this? It feels weird.

[Mal]

Category is logic. I. I also feel like it's stolen valor if I say it because I'm not. It's. It's Mall's thing. I.

[Rory]

Or. Or we just do kind of like the moment of silence. Since you have like all these flowers here. We could just do two beats of when he says it quietly and then. So he's just ginger.

[Mal]

Oh, you're speaking on behalf of yourself.

[Rory]

And by the way, I didn't think it in my head.

[Mal]

Yes, you did. You can't.

[Rory]

I just did it to beat.

[Mal]

What were the beats for? What did you. What. What did you feel in that?

[Rory]

The count in which he says that cadence. I just did. I just did the BPM of what.

[Mal]

He says and then Roy thought it for Valentine's Day he said malls his. You just thought it again. Look at him.

[Rory]

He did it again.

[Mal]

No, you're on beat.

[Rory]

When I listen to rap I still bop my head when they say it. I'm still there.

[Mal]

All right.

[Rory]

I'm just not saying it.

[Mal]

Yeah, okay. He said it.

[Rory]

Peace.

[Mal]

He's going to say it on Patreon.

[Rory]

New worry and mouth.