Episode 250 | International Women’s Day

Summary

Podcast Summary: New Rory & MAL – Episode 250 | International Women’s Day

Title: New Rory & MAL – Episode 250 | International Women’s Day
Hosts: Rory & Mal
Release Date: March 12, 2024
Description: New stories, new laughs, new random hot takes that no one asked for... New Rory & Mal

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1. Introduction and Event Promotion (00:00 - 01:00)

The episode kicks off with Rory and Mal enthusiastically promoting their upcoming live show in the DMV (Washington, DC, Maryland, Virginia) area scheduled for March 23rd. Despite some humorous hiccups in their promotional spiel, the hosts express genuine excitement about the event.

Notable Quote:
Rory [00:20]: "I'm super excited for my ciders. Cannot wait to be in Washington D.C. get Chocolate City. Is it Chocolate city?"
Mal [00:34]: "Shout out HBCUs."

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2. Celebrity Relationships and Age Dynamics (01:00 - 04:00)

Rory and Mal delve into the controversial relationship between NBA player Jalen Green and Draya Michele. They discuss the significant age gap and the potential implications of their union, especially considering Jalen Green's age and Draya's existing family responsibilities.

Notable Quotes:
Mal [02:18]: "I'm on both sides of this thing because on one hand, I understand how people are calling Draya a predator, and Jaylin is too young for her..."
Rory [03:02]: "She's a girl that I had in my locker hanging up on. Like, it's just..."

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3. Understanding International Women’s Day (04:00 - 15:00)

The conversation shifts to the origins and significance of International Women’s Day. Rory questions the establishment and timing of the holiday, while Mal provides historical context, explaining its roots in women's struggles and achievements globally. They differentiate it from Women's History Month, highlighting the month-long celebration of women's contributions.

Notable Quotes:
Rory [14:21]: "We celebrate men's accomplishments pretty often."
Damaris [13:35]: "No, no. Women's History Month, which is something completely different than Happy International Women's Day."

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4. Women’s College Basketball and Caitlin Clark’s Achievements (15:00 - 20:00)

Rory, Mal, and Julian discuss the heightened competitiveness of the women's college basketball tournament, particularly spotlighting Caitlin Clark's record-breaking performance in NCAA history. They laud her impact on the sport and express hope for her transition to the professional league.

Notable Quotes:
Julian [18:41]: "Caitlin Clark is playing, people are going to watch that game."
Mal [19:26]: "I think she'll be all right."

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5. Podcast Collaborations and the Evolving Landscape (20:00 - 44:00)

A substantial portion of the episode centers on the dynamics of podcast collaborations. Rory advocates for proactive outreach to fellow podcasters to expand their audiences, likening it to musical collaborations. In contrast, Mal prefers organic, invitation-based collaborations, emphasizing the importance of existing relationships and trust.

Notable Quotes:
Rory [33:38]: "If these type of moments are starting to disappear in podcasting because everyone's fucking talked to each other."
Mal [34:11]: "I'm just not reaching out to anybody for that."

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6. Celebrity News: LeBron James and Public Perceptions (44:00 - 57:00)

The hosts analyze a viral photo featuring LeBron James interacting with Savannah James and other prominent figures. They critique the perceived abuse of power within the NBA's organizational structure and question LeBron's comfort and consent in such public displays.

Notable Quotes:
Rory [23:04]: "He’s an HR violation."
Mal [23:25]: "That's a man that don't want to be seen."

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7. Voicemail Segment: Relationship Challenges and Terminal Illness (57:00 - 95:00)

Listeners' voicemails introduce deeply personal and emotional topics. Mal shares his experience dealing with his mother's terminal cancer diagnosis and his partner's lack of emotional support. The conversation evolves into a broader discussion about handling relationships when facing life-altering news, emphasizing the importance of communication and support.

Notable Quotes:
Mal [78:29]: "My girls got the emotional understanding of a rock."
Rory [81:10]: "Prayers to your friend and to you and to his family. That's tough to deal with."

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8. Funeral Practices and Cultural Perspectives (95:00 - 131:00)

Rory and Mal engage in a candid discussion about funeral practices, graveyards, and the commercialization of death. They express discomfort with traditional burial methods, highlighting environmental concerns and personal preferences for cremation. The hosts share anecdotes about funerals and the emotional complexities involved in handling death within families.

Notable Quotes:
Julian [128:10]: "Cremation is literally. You can burn someone and scatter their ashes all over."
Mal [130:24]: "A lot of people have open casket burn my..."

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9. Concluding Thoughts and Final Promotions (131:00 - End)

As the episode nears its end, the hosts wrap up their discussions with lighthearted banter about merchandise and upcoming events. They reiterate their excitement for the live show and encourage listeners to purchase tickets and merchandise through their website.

Notable Quote:
Mal [140:00]: "Shout out to all the women out there. Hopefully this month is kind to you."

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Key Takeaways:

• Event Promotion: Rory and Mal are gearing up for a live show in DC, showcasing their trademark humor and camaraderie.

• Celebrity Relationships: The age dynamics in high-profile relationships can spark significant public debate and scrutiny.

• International Women’s Day: Understanding the historical context and evolution of the holiday highlights its importance beyond mere celebration.

• Women’s Sports: Outstanding performances by female athletes like Caitlin Clark are bringing increased attention and respect to women's collegiate sports.

• Podcast Industry Dynamics: The approach to collaborations varies among podcasters, with some advocating for proactive outreach and others emphasizing organic connections.

• Public Perceptions of Celebrities: Interactions among celebrities can be misconstrued, leading to discussions about consent and power dynamics.

• Emotional Support in Relationships: Navigating relationships during times of personal crisis requires effective communication and mutual support.

• Funeral Practices: Traditional and modern approaches to funerals reflect broader cultural and environmental considerations.

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Conclusion:

Episode 250 of "New Rory & MAL" offers a blend of humor, insightful discussions, and candid conversations on a variety of topics ranging from celebrity news to personal relationships and societal observances like International Women’s Day. The hosts' dynamic interaction provides listeners with both entertainment and thoughtful perspectives on contemporary issues.

Stay Connected:
For more insights, laughs, and random hot takes, tune into future episodes of "New Rory & MAL." Don't forget to grab your tickets for the live show on March 23rd at the Howard Theater by visiting newroarimal.com.

Transcript

[Rory]

Washington, DC, Maryland, Virginia, DMV area. People that just go to the DMV. We will be there March 23rd. Tickets available now. Newroarimal.com Mall is especially excited. Excited. I can't even speak. Worst promo ever. Excited.

[Mal]

You are.

[Rory]

I'm beside myself.

[Mal]

You're excited.

[Rory]

So I'm super excited.

[Mal]

Super sighted.

[Rory]

I'm super excited for my ciders. Cannot wait to be in Washington D.C. get Chocolate City. Is it Chocolate city?

[Mal]

I mean, that's before you.

[Rory]

I shouldn't even be able to sit yet. You know what it is?

[Mal]

It could be white Chocolate city.

[Rory]

It is.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Shout out HBCUs.

[Mal]

There you go.

[Rory]

Tickets available now. This went left.

[Mal]

No. Warrior.

[Damaris]

Now I am.

[Rory]

And they ask me, they ask me.

[Mal]

They ask me, I tell them.

[Rory]

Raise your glasses. Your glasses.

[Mal]

Your glasses to the sky. This is the last call for alcohol. I mean, can you be mad at the young boys, though?

[Rory]

Yeah, we can.

[Mal]

At the young boys. Nah, you can't.

[Julian]

He's an idiot, too.

[Mal]

You're doing what they were supposed to do, right?

[Rory]

That's not what you're supposed to do.

[Mal]

Get some. Get some good.

[Rory]

No, Go get some good pussy. Yeah, but you're not supposed to, like, not pull out of that.

[Mal]

Okay, I'm with you on that.

[Rory]

That.

[Mal]

I'm with you.

[Rory]

How old is Jalen Green?

[Julian]

22.

[Rory]

Yeah, 22 years old. You can't just be leaving it in.

[Mal]

See, I. I don't know. Listen, I'm on both. I'm. Listen, I understand both sides of this thing.

[Rory]

Cause you're pro life.

[Mal]

Well, yeah, but I'm on both sides of this thing because on one hand, I understand how people are calling Draya a predator, and Jaylin is too young for her, and her son is basically almost the same age as Jalen. Whatever, Whatever. I get all of that, Right? A lot of sense. There makes a lot of sense what people are saying on that side. But I just always put myself in. If I was 22 with 50, 40 million, however much money Jalen is making, I probably grew up looking at Draya in magazines, videos when I was in high school. Like, damn, she bad. Now that I got a chance to get her and I got her and we doing what we doing. We in Tulum or something. It's gonna be hard for me to back out with the sun setting and all of that. Like, and this is a girl that I had in my locker hanging up on. Like, it's just.

[Julian]

There's no way she's.

[Rory]

You bring this point up a lot, and I appreciate that. You do fight for the young guys because Zion, you. You backed him a bit. Like, yo, he probably watched that girl do porn his whole life. Listen, you gotta understand, that doesn't like, go beat.

[Mal]

Listen, I don't. I'm not. I'm with you on that. I'm with you on that. You ain't supposed to.

[Julian]

You just turned 22, by the way.

[Mal]

Right? You're not supposed to. I wouldn't finish inside her. I'm not saying I would do that. But. You know the biggest thing, when you're young and you having sex with your girl, or whoever is, damn, if she get pregnant, I'm gonna become a dad. How do I take care of a kid? Like, those are problems you have when you don't have no financial security. But if you making 40, 50, 60.

[Julian]

$100 million, you know, money doesn't make it right.

[Mal]

Yeah, I'm not saying that money makes it right.

[Rory]

It's helpful.

[Mal]

I'm just saying that I can take care of my family. I'm in a position where I can take care of my family. At 22 years old. Like, my family will be okay. Now, if you're the average 22 year old that's just trying to figure out what you want to do in life, probably in between having a job and not working, that's when it's scary to impregnate a woman. It's like, oh, my God, like, I. I could barely take care of myself. I'm gonna take care of another life now.

[Rory]

You know, I.

[Mal]

But when you a professional athlete and you 22 and you. Listen, I.

[Rory]

How long were they dating? Couldn't have been that long. He just turned 20.

[Julian]

I don't even think it's dating, bro. How long were they.

[Rory]

And it's her choice. No matter what. Her body, her choice. Right?

[Mal]

Yes.

[Rory]

I still feel like Jalen Green is allowed to look at her after he gets that news and go, why?

[Mal]

Why what?

[Rory]

Why do you want to have a child with me? And I think she should have to explain that.

[Mal]

Oh, but how do we know he did she.

[Rory]

That's a fair point.

[Mal]

You don't know that. He didn't say that.

[Rory]

Demer. It's not like Draya is just some broke girl trying to get a come up. Like, I think she's doing financially okay by herself.

[Mal]

Well, the thing with.

[Rory]

And it's not in need of money. If Jalen Green leaves her, I think Draya's gonna be okay.

[Mal]

Well, the thing about Draya is people are going off of her track record, her Dating history, her dating past, saying that she obviously has a type. She has a type of a guy that she goes after. And the issue that a lot of people having with this one is that it's the age difference that Jalen Green just turned 22. She already has a son that's probably 20, 21 something.

[Julian]

Her son's older than Jalen Green.

[Mal]

Okay, well, so she has a son that's older.

[Rory]

They're Eskimo brothers with, like, chicks out in la.

[Julian]

Oh, yeah, probably.

[Mal]

I mean, sure.

[Rory]

They run in similar circles.

[Mal]

Yeah. If Dre is my mom, I'm probably in certain parties and rooms that, you.

[Rory]

Know, imagine Dre being some pretty girls, one of his exes and her son also beat.

[Julian]

It's like diddy shit.

[Rory]

Or what happens if. If Dre's son, like, brings back a chick like, that he, you know, starting to get to know and, like. And then Jalen pulls him aside as the stepfather. The younger stepfather that he is, he's like, yo, son, I beat.

[Mal]

First of all, if my mom has a. Has a boyfriend that's 22 and, like, we're the same age, and now he's about to, like, be the father of, like, my little brother, hook me up.

[Rory]

With some hoes, bro.

[Mal]

You can't call me. You can't call me son.

[Rory]

What if he's from New York?

[Mal]

I don't care where you from. You're not calling me son. No.

[Rory]

What if he walked and said, look, I'm not trying to be your dad. I just want to be your friend? Let's go to highlight room.

[Mal]

Nah. And that's a nasty situation.

[Rory]

What are you doing Wednesday night?

[Damaris]

Nasty section?

[Rory]

Let's do some bonding. Like, what do you think their. Their stepfather, stepson bonding would be like? When you're the same age in the same city in the same circle, there's only one activity I can think of.

[Mal]

Right. But, see, I'm just.

[Rory]

And it's cheating on your mom.

[Mal]

Listen, man, you know, it. The situation is very on you. Have we ever seen this before?

[Julian]

What do you mean?

[Mal]

Like, as far as the. The woman being this much older and having a son that's.

[Rory]

Yeah, I don't want to be sexy. It happens the other way all the time. Yeah, we don't battle.

[Mal]

Not just the age. Not just the age. The fact that she has a son that's the same age, if not older than.

[Julian]

Yeah, this is a wild.

[Mal]

Like, have we seen this before?

[Julian]

Not to my knowledge.

[Mal]

Right. I don't think I've ever seen this.

[Rory]

I'm sure, Cher and Madonna has done it, but I can't pinpoint it. I'm just gonna. I feel comfortable.

[Mal]

Madonna has had a baby with someone that was the same age as one of their kids.

[Rory]

I'm just saying. Dated.

[Mal]

No, I'm. See you. Stay with me. Okay.

[Rory]

I'm trying.

[Mal]

Having a kid.

[Rory]

I feel like Cher and Madonna have secret babies.

[Mal]

All right, so you want something else. You got your 104 hat on already. I'm talking about that we know for sure. Have we seen some celebrities? You know, celebrities. Have we seen the situation where one, the woman is having a baby with someone that is the same age as one of her kids?

[Damaris]

I'm sure we have. We just can't think of it right now. I'm sure we have.

[Rory]

And I'm not saying Jalen doesn't want to have a baby with Dre. We don't know them. They could be a happy couple and super excited.

[Mal]

Right?

[Rory]

I'm sure he does, but at the same time, I feel like maybe I'm owed. It's your choice, but give me an explanation on why you want to have a child with my 22 year old ass when we was just fucking around. You're financially stable. If you want to have another kid, I get it.

[Mal]

Yeah, but listen, man.

[Rory]

But maybe, like, find a sperm.

[Mal]

Don't listen, man.

[Damaris]

Who said y'all was just fucking her? Who said they was just fucking her?

[Mal]

Yeah, I was going to say that they. I've been around a few of these dudes, and I see the way they be talking to these girls in private. They be wanting. They be wanting babies for sure. They be wanting to impregnate these girls. Like, I'm not gonna just throw that on Draya. Like, a lot of these dudes out here, they be like, yo, I want you to have my baby. You my baby, mom. And it's like, all right, you might be. That might be game at first, but then if you in there spraying it up too, and you saying all of that.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's a little different.

[Mal]

You can't be surprised when she come and hit you like, yo, I'm pregnant. Then it can't turn into, yo, nah, I ain't ready for this. You ain't ready? You just finished telling this girl in a hundred text messages, you want to have your baby.

[Damaris]

Look at me in my eyes while my feet were in the air.

[Mal]

Yeah. My ankles on your earlobes. And you talking about, yo, I'm not pulling out. Have my baby. I love you. You don't want.

[Julian]

Even if that is a case.

[Rory]

But your legs were in the air.

[Julian]

Even if that is the case.

[Mal]

Yes, it counts. That counts.

[Julian]

Even if that is the case with Jalen, should she. Like when is. When should she tap out?

[Mal]

As far as what?

[Julian]

Like of this game. Of the game of this current thing that she's. She's doing.

[Rory]

Don't kill me or crucify me because I just don't. Is her past that crazy or do we just. Do we just know the people?

[Damaris]

Julian didn't know who know who Drea was until we told him who she was two months ago.

[Rory]

I'm happy that I haven't been paying attention.

[Julian]

I don't give a fuck who Dre is.

[Rory]

I feel like I know like a few athletes she dated, but I didn't know her to just.

[Julian]

But my point still stands. Like you shouldn't at some point people age out of bad habits.

[Mal]

No.

[Julian]

Or not even like age out per se, but like some.

[Rory]

Like when you.

[Julian]

When you're looking. When you're getting your stretched by a kid that's your son's age. Maybe you should reconsider what you're doing.

[Rory]

Just a situation for the baby.

[Julian]

Yeah. Just look.

[Rory]

Look.

[Julian]

Well, let's put the finances aside. Amazing. Everyone's got just aesthetically.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Just let's look at it optically.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Who's raising this kid? Is this kid really going to be put in the healthiest environment? Jalen's a 22 year old athlete superstar. He's probably going to go about living his life. Sure, the kid will be financially secure, but we know money doesn't bring. Obviously. Look at the entertainment industry. All these kids are rich as shit. They're the most fucked up kids we know. So let's stop pretending like money is the save all for bad decisions on parenting.

[Rory]

Isn't it better that Dre is a little older now and maybe she just wants to be a stay at home mom and she's got her son who's of age that's a great male nanny. Like maybe it's a statement. It's not a 22 year old DRE.

[Mal]

Telling the son that isn't her telling him to raise. He's the nanny of the man. He's the manny of his sibling.

[Rory]

Yeah, why not? It's not like she. A 22 year old drea may be more of a problem than a 40 year old Drea.

[Julian]

Her son's a young adult probably living his life. He doesn't want to raise.

[Rory]

If I'm Drea, I think it's crazy. I just did a 20 year bid. I want to go back outside. I don't want another kid.

[Damaris]

She already has another son.

[Julian]

She has two sons.

[Mal]

She has two kids.

[Rory]

Then I'm dead.

[Damaris]

All right, so her other sounds like 10, I want to say.

[Rory]

Oh, all right.

[Damaris]

Yeah, 10 or nine.

[Rory]

Yeah, she's doing another bid. Why not just throw another one there?

[Damaris]

Yeah, well, she says she wanted another. Listen, I'm. Me personally, I'm not at 39. At. I'm 29, and I'm not dating a fucking 22 year old. But I also am not privy to basketball players who are making tens of millions of dollars. If she wanted another kid, she wanted another kid. I can't exactly cheer for you getting. Having a baby with a 22 year old, but if he's fine with it, his mother fine with it, then y'all do your thing. Either way, she had been raising a baby alone anyway because he's a fucking professional basketball player. He's never gonna be home. If he was 10, 15 years older, he was never gonna be home.

[Mal]

That's not true.

[Rory]

Yeah, it depends.

[Mal]

There's some athletes that are very great dads. Like, I can't let you just.

[Damaris]

No, you. I didn't say he was gonna be a shitty dad. That's not what I said. I said he's rarely gonna be home.

[Rory]

That means Dre can fly on the actual plane now, right? That should be fun.

[Julian]

Yeah, it depends.

[Mal]

Certain teams, they are cool with that. Like, they are cool with letting, like, wives and baby mothers and the kids fly.

[Rory]

Get me on that plane.

[Julian]

But who else is on the rockets right now?

[Mal]

Yeah, I saw them. It was International Women's Day. Dre dropped that picture.

[Rory]

Great.

[Mal]

And left the comments on.

[Damaris]

She turned him off because she didn't tag him. She didn't tag him. She just posted that she's having a baby. Here come Kyle Kuzma tagging a now. Why are you doing.

[Rory]

That's crazy. I didn't know that.

[Mal]

Why would. But why would she tag in the picture? Was she gonna tag her belly?

[Damaris]

I mean. Well, yeah, it's her baby, like, the lower third, maybe. Yeah, but she didn't say she didn't tag him.

[Mal]

Yeah, but he ain't in the picture.

[Damaris]

Here go Kyle. Tagging.

[Rory]

Wait.

[Mal]

All right.

[Rory]

I thought y'all were gassing it. She started this post with Happy International Women's Day.

[Damaris]

Yeah, she's having a girl. She's having a girl.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

You don't even do the math, Rory.

[Rory]

I really thought you guys were just, like, joking around. She Happened to post it on the same day. So let's make fun of it.

[Mal]

No, no, no.

[Rory]

She started her pregnancy reveal with Happy International Women's Day.

[Julian]

You thought your rollout was fire.

[Rory]

Yep.

[Mal]

Listen, I mean, there are very. There are very few things that are more powerful than a woman giving birth and having a child for a woman.

[Damaris]

That's like having a woman. Yeah.

[Mal]

You know what I'm saying? That's. That's like, you know, that's. That's every woman's. You know, anybody. Any woman that's a mother will tell you that that was, like, the start of their new life. And.

[Rory]

No, I think it's great that even when we celebrate International Women's Day, it still involves a man. Still requires a man.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

You can't match two daughters.

[Damaris]

It's funny how I wrote in the group chat, happy International Women's Day to me and yomi, and the entire group chat ignored us. And just.

[Rory]

That's because we were nervous for how progress of you guys pretend to be in there, and we didn't know who was a woman and who wasn't.

[Julian]

Yeah. And I texted my mom. That was good enough.

[Mal]

When did this. When did this start? Women's Day?

[Rory]

It started out as Women's Day, and in women's fashion, they made a day a month like they do their birthdays. So what's International Women's Day? I think the whole month of March, though, is International Women's Month.

[Damaris]

No, no. Women's History Month, which is something completely different than Happy International Women's Day.

[Julian]

Women's History Month.

[Damaris]

Yes. Kind of like Black History Month. How we celebrate the history of black people. This is when we celebrate the history of women and the accomplish that they've achieved.

[Julian]

How long does that last? A day?

[Rory]

He said. I didn't.

[Mal]

I laughed.

[Rory]

I don't even know.

[Mal]

I.

[Julian]

You think?

[Rory]

I was thinking it, but he said it. I. I thank you for just taking.

[Julian]

You think they. They turned the clock back because they ran out of accomplishments?

[Rory]

No, it was. It was. They was on daylight savings, though.

[Julian]

Give him 23 hours.

[Mal]

Oh, man.

[Rory]

Shut up. Let's knock an album. So is this another arrogant American thing where we decide what International Women's Day is, or did the UN get together? How do we decide that today was the day for the world?

[Julian]

Well, it looks like the origins of the day, which was just National Women's Day, was held on February 20, 1909, in New York.

[Mal]

Okay, that was really.

[Julian]

It looks like that's the dawn of.

[Mal]

Hearing about Women's Day until probably like, maybe 10 years ago.

[Rory]

Well, they couldn't.

[Mal]

Why.

[Rory]

They couldn't vote at that time.

[Julian]

It really wasn't it. Yeah. I was gonna say, I think the popularity came, like, obviously in more recent years.

[Rory]

Well, it took them that long to get together and work with each other. That's why we just found out.

[Mal]

I don't. I don't know about it. I don't know if it probably exists as well. Is there a Men's Day?

[Julian]

You know, we should look into that.

[Rory]

We should start one that was very. I know about Black History Month. What about White History Month of you.

[Mal]

Was it. Or is it just a. I'm asking.

[Rory]

We celebrate men's accomplishments pretty often.

[Mal]

No, but is it, like a day that's called International Men's Day?

[Rory]

No.

[Mal]

I mean, I'm being serious. Like, I. I don't. I don't. I don't know.

[Rory]

But we don't really get holidays, so. Okay. It is interesting that you guys threw in a holiday when you guys get all the holidays.

[Mal]

Who, women? Yeah.

[Rory]

I don't even get my own birthday.

[Mal]

No.

[Rory]

Now I have to celebrate. It's not even the right day. Yeah.

[Mal]

No.

[Rory]

I thought you guys were good at.

[Mal]

You don't get. You don't get. As a man, you don't get to celebrate your birthday. You know, that's.

[Rory]

Did this go off the rails? I'm sorry.

[Julian]

No. I think you guys are spitting.

[Mal]

I think I feel like it's great.

[Rory]

That a man said, no, no, no, no. You guys are smoking. I feel like you guys are really representing the women right now.

[Julian]

Well, yeah.

[Mal]

I ain't gonna lie, man. Jalen, I ain't gonna lie, man. That thing probably good, man. I ain't gonna lie, man. It's hard to back out. Yeah. I can't kill Jayla too much on that, man. I understand. I get it. Sometimes you just be like, yo, listen, man. See, that's what we need to do. We need to hear from Jalen. Cause I'm gonna tell him the first two minutes of the first interview he do.

[Rory]

You're tired of men being silenced.

[Mal]

No, I'm gonna just be able to tell, like, just looking at him when he talk. Like, if he gonna be like, man, y'all don't even know what y'all want me to do. Like, I couldn't. I tried. I couldn't. I couldn't get out. I understand, man. I get it.

[Julian]

Well, in the. In staying on theme with women in International Women's Day, women were. Spent the weekend tearing each other apart on the basketball court. If you guys saw the lsu, South Carolina game, that got really chippy at the end there.

[Rory]

I respect it.

[Julian]

I loved it.

[Mal]

I like it. I think it's good for. For sports to get a little chippy like that, especially in the tournament.

[Rory]

Thought it was good for International Women's Day, too.

[Mal]

Yeah, International Women's Day. You know, it's competitive. It's just competition. You know, things happen, tempers flare. The only problem I had was homegirl's brother jumping over the scores table, acting like he was about to hit a girl. Like, what was you about to do?

[Rory]

Yeah, but like.

[Mal]

Like, what was you about to do?

[Julian]

You.

[Mal]

You ain't gonna do nothing. And some of them girls will beat the shit out.

[Julian]

I was gonna say that a lot.

[Mal]

Of, like, those are professional athletes. Some of them girls is 6, 4, 6, 5 shorty.

[Rory]

That. That had the initial, like, real push. I can see by her reach, I would lose that fight.

[Mal]

Yeah, like, that was the only issue I had.

[Julian]

This is six, eight.

[Mal]

Yeah. It's like, bro, I get it.

[Rory]

Your sister, look at the way she set her feet too, right after.

[Julian]

Yeah, she was ready.

[Mal]

Yeah, like, I get it. I. I understand it, but like, come on, you jumping over the table. Like, your sister, she. She got this.

[Rory]

And I'm on the side of, like, if I see my girl getting jumped or a family member being jumped by a lot of women, I'm gonna get in there and move some. Some bodies.

[Mal]

I mean, if you outside, but on.

[Rory]

Yeah, on the court, like, just let the refs handle it.

[Mal]

During the women's tournament, like, what am. What am I. What am I gonna do if I jump over this table and a girl, like, squares up with me? I'm gonna square up with her and be ready to fight. Like, come on, man.

[Julian]

I'm really looking forward to the women's college tournament. The team. There's a lot of teams that can take it this year.

[Rory]

It was better than the men's last year.

[Julian]

Way better. And the average ticket price for the women's this year is already going for. There's like 450, 500.

[Rory]

Oh, it's great. Yeah, I love see Damaris with support. I mean, we're not gonna go to.

[Julian]

The game, make them mad again. I sent this to you guys. I tagged you guys in the post over the weekend. Caitlin Clark breaking the three point record for the ncaa. She hit the most threes in NCAA history.

[Rory]

Happy International Women's Day.

[Mal]

What do you want me to say about that? There's nothing to refute Is this something.

[Julian]

About the line you want to say or the ball or.

[Mal]

No, it's just, you know.

[Julian]

No, because, you know, the men and women have the same line in college. It's the same three point line.

[Mal]

Okay, cool.

[Julian]

I just hit more than not gonna.

[Rory]

Bait us this time.

[Mal]

Yeah, Like, I just. It's not. It's not gonna. It's not. It doesn't. It doesn't word the same. If now a guy comes along and breaks that record, if he breaks the.

[Julian]

Record, then he'll be called the greatest three point shooter in NCAA history. I just. The reason why I think this record will stand for Caitlin, though is because most guys don't play. If you're this good or whatever, you'll. You'll leave and go to the league. Caitlin played longer in college.

[Mal]

Right.

[Julian]

I know this is like obviously more of a longevity award, but it's still a great stat to have.

[Mal]

No, I mean, Caitlin Clark is. I mean, what she's done for women's college basketball, women's basketball, period, I think is dope. Like she's brought a spotlight on it. She's one of the best players I've seen in college. I just hope it translates to the next level, though.

[Julian]

I think she'll be all right.

[Mal]

I think so too. I just hope it translates. But she's fun to watch, though. She's fun to watch. I think she's part of the reason.

[Rory]

Why it's going to translate.

[Mal]

Women's basketball is talked about as much as it is. She's just like that. You say Caitlin Clark is playing, people are going to watch that game.

[Rory]

The best thing you can do in the WNBA is know how to shoot. She'll be fine.

[Mal]

Yeah. No, I mean, but it's just a different level of competition.

[Rory]

Yeah, for sure.

[Mal]

I get it. Yeah.

[Rory]

Damaris, are there some women you wanted to highlight during International Women's Month? You know, we don't want to silence you.

[Damaris]

Nah.

[Mal]

Maybe some men you want to on because this is your time. Get your off. We can't refute nothing women say this month.

[Damaris]

Shout out to me and yomi.

[Mal]

Shout out to me and yomi.

[Julian]

Yomi not even here.

[Mal]

Shout out to me and yomi.

[Rory]

Oh, to answer my question, Tamaris. It was promoted by the United nations, but it is technically a Russian and communist thing.

[Julian]

Start by a socialist party.

[Rory]

Yeah, I'll just leave that there. But you know.

[Mal]

Happy International Women's Month.

[Rory]

It's just odd, you know.

[Mal]

Shout out to all the women out there. Hopefully this month is kind to you. You have A soft month. But. But April, get right back to it. Get back in the trenches.

[Rory]

I mean, I like to see that Bron was the one that really went above and beyond to celebrate international.

[Mal]

When I saw LeBron, I saw people killing LeBron. He was talking to Jeanie Buss and Linda Rambis, which is, I believe, Kurt Rambis's wife. Right? Correct. And everybody was like, oh, Savannah, gonna have words for him when he get home. I'm like, all he doing is celebrating Women's Month.

[Rory]

But is that some hater shit and some women shit? If I'm celebrating other women for International Women's Month, you can't say anything to me, right?

[Mal]

It depends. Your wife can say anything at any time. I thought, See, when you married, I.

[Rory]

Thought we were here to celebrate all women.

[Mal]

Yeah. Nah, only it's only one woman you're supposed to celebrate when you marry.

[Julian]

This interaction is like the little. It's way too touchy. There's a lot of touching going on.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

And not from LeBron. He's doing nothing wrong.

[Mal]

That's the King.

[Rory]

But yeah, anytime you take your hand like this, you're terrified.

[Julian]

The double bicep grab and then obviously Ginu laying her whole head on his shoulder.

[Mal]

You know, they love it. See, they this, that black gold. You know, they can't help but touch that black goat when they see it. That's all it is.

[Damaris]

I'm sure Jeanie Buss has a very close relationship with both LeBron and his wife and who she is. So I'm sure they, like, have dinners together with their families. Like, I'm sure that to nothing.

[Mal]

I mean, we, we know that Damaris, we was just having fun.

[Rory]

But look how women could just get a man of a faithful man just jammed up like that. Just the King minding his damn business in between. They probably. He was probably sitting by himself.

[Julian]

True.

[Rory]

They probably sat right down during a timeout and then just tried to ruin this man's family.

[Julian]

It's a coup.

[Mal]

Well, one of them owns the team. She could sit wherever she wants. And the other one is Kurt Ramis's wife. I think he's in the front office for the Lakers as well. I think Kurt Ramis has a front office job with the Lakers.

[Rory]

Okay? So to me, that's them abusing their power in the workplace. That's putting a lot of pressure on LeBron. They are the powerful execs in that building. LeBron is a high paid employee that they're taking advantage of with their power.

[Julian]

That's an HR violation.

[Rory]

That's an abuse of power. You're putting him in a situation where he feels like he has to let you touch him for fear of his job.

[Julian]

He doesn't even like basketball like that.

[Rory]

This isn't a piece of power.

[Mal]

He don't even want to be there.

[Julian]

He don't even want to be there. He doesn't want to be there.

[Rory]

He has sunglasses on inside. That is a man that. That is uncomfortable.

[Mal]

That's a man that don't want to be seen.

[Rory]

What were they even watching?

[Mal]

The game.

[Julian]

The game.

[Mal]

What were they watching? What you thought they was at.

[Rory]

Wait, Bronwatches, Lakers games with. With sunglasses on?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I thought, like, maybe Bronnie was playing at the Staples Center.

[Mal]

No.

[Julian]

Well, then this was. Of course, this shot went viral after, when they pulled up to watch Bronnie at usc. And obviously you capture a moment and that, you know, freeze in time. People are saying, this is, you know, Savannah pissed at Braun after that interaction.

[Mal]

Got an attitude.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Nah, man, that's. It's all joke.

[Julian]

Something after one frame is captured. This means that they hate each other now.

[Rory]

Somebody put a bronze face over Jesus Shuttlesworth face when he had the threesome with the white girls and he got gay people.

[Mal]

He would just be doing anything, man.

[Rory]

Do you bring that up to your wife or do you, like, just see what she says? Obviously it was about to link up.

[Mal]

That ain't that video.

[Rory]

He opened his phone in the car and was like, ah, all right. No, it was innocent. Do you say anything like, haha. Did you see the timeline going crazy?

[Mal]

Nah, you can't. You. If you do that, the person at LeBron statue, you'll be doing that every.

[Julian]

I was gonna say that is a good question. Because at this point in his career, how much of this stuff do they actually address as a couple, do you think?

[Rory]

Well, that's how we laugh at a.

[Mal]

Lot of this shit.

[Rory]

This point.

[Mal]

LeBron is the LeBron. That's one thing. That's one reason why LeBron is, you know, who he is. He's been able to stay out of the way of fucking scandal and a lot of that bullshit. And he's been under a microscope since he was in fucking high school. So to be able to avoid that, you know, your entire career, your entire life, that speaks to the type of person that, you know, LeBron is. Cause he hasn't had any major scandal attached to his name. Definitely not with other women and shit like that. That broke major news. Not local cities that's been chatting about LeBron's nightlife antics. And, like. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about that was, like, on the front page of the newspaper. He hasn't had none of that.

[Rory]

Go back to that photo, Julian. I'm surprised since he was trending, Fox News didn't get a hold of this photo with his son with a purse. You know, they hang out with the Wades. See, that could cause some controversy when LeBron is trending.

[Mal]

First of all.

[Julian]

You think that's his son?

[Rory]

Oh, I don't know. Edit this out. That looks like a son.

[Mal]

I'll leave that right there. That's his daughter. Both of his sons in high school.

[Julian]

That's Zuri.

[Rory]

Back to Fox News. Why are we masculinizing women?

[Mal]

See, look. He thought he said yo. Rory thought he got something off right there. That's a girl.

[Julian]

Oh, great.

[Rory]

I don't know their family tree. You know, LeBron's daughter's name is crazy to me.

[Mal]

It's LeBron James. I know.

[Rory]

Bronnie Jr. And that's only because he plays basketball. I don't know the second one's name.

[Mal]

No, that. Yeah, that's his daughter.

[Rory]

Oh, great. That they have a daughter.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Love the fit.

[Mal]

Wearing Bronnie's jersey.

[Rory]

Yeah, it was great. Purse. That looks like an efficient purse. Can hold a lot of toys.

[Mal]

You got some fox off just now. What an idiot. Oh, man.

[Rory]

I got called a red Hat Rory this weekend, so.

[Mal]

Red hat?

[Julian]

Why?

[Mal]

Why?

[Rory]

I was. I was talking to some listeners, and we were talking about immigration, New York City currently. And, you know, that can be a trigger word for some people. And I was like, why the. They clearing out these schools? I was like, oh, yeah, that. I could tell by the tone of my voice that that sounded pretty Republican. And I got called red Hat Rory.

[Julian]

Where'd you do this? In discord.

[Rory]

This Twitter spaces.

[Julian]

Twitter space.

[Rory]

Last night.

[Mal]

You did an interview, and.

[Rory]

Danny from the stop. Shout out to Danny from the stop.

[Mal]

You said something. I was like. Somebody said it to me. I was like. I said, what the fuck is Rory talking about?

[Rory]

What?

[Mal]

It was something along the line, I think. I don't. I think you got mixed up in your words because you said that I had. We had reached out to be on million dollars worth of game.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mal]

And didn't get a response. I never text a nigga and didn't get a response about being. First of all, I never text nobody asking to be on their show. I just want to clear that part up.

[Rory]

Gotcha.

[Mal]

But I did text Wallow when We were in Philly for the roots picnic just because we were in Philly. So it was more so like, yo, what's up? I'm in town.

[Rory]

Gotcha.

[Mal]

And he never responded. I just wanted to clear. I have never did wallow.

[Rory]

Hit you?

[Mal]

No, no, no. One of my people that sent it to me like, yo, like, I didn't know you had reached out to be on the show. I was like, first of all. So to be clear, I never, ever text anybody to be on their show, and they didn't respond to me.

[Rory]

I didn't mix it up. Cause I happened at the time, like, when we were about to do, like, the press run with the Serious Deal, they were on the list. And I don't know why. Why I thought you had reached out to them. And. Yeah, I guess I confused the film.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah. Nah.

[Rory]

Oh, okay.

[Mal]

Well, yeah, I just wanted to clear that up because that. That just came across crazy. Like, be leaving me on red, and I'd be trying to do interviews, and they'd be like, nah, like, oh, I didn't.

[Rory]

If it came across that way, I apologize.

[Mal]

You know, it definitely came across that way.

[Rory]

Like, you've never been left on Red.

[Mal]

Before by somebody asking them to be on their show.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mal]

It's never happened.

[Rory]

Like, I've been left on red, first.

[Mal]

Of all, I've never hit nobody to be on their show.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mal]

I've never done that. I have never.

[Rory]

What's wrong with reaching out to people to be like, yo, hell, you're trying to come on. We got some going on.

[Mal]

Nah, I'm not. I'm not reaching out to nobody. These niggas is my peers, first of all.

[Julian]

Yeah, that's what friends do.

[Mal]

Peers. Peers. Peers and friends are different.

[Julian]

But I'm saying, like, if you're in this space, a space where you, you know, have a show or a platform, you go on each other's thing. It's like a thing, you know, you.

[Mal]

Can go on, but usually you're invited on. I'm not picking up my phone saying, yo, what's up, man? Want to come on your show and do. I'm not doing that for what if.

[Rory]

If we're doing a press run and have already had conversations in the past of like, yo, we should do something together in passing, I'd be like, yo, we got something to promote. What's your schedule looking like?

[Mal]

I mean, I don't know.

[Rory]

What's up with that?

[Mal]

I've just. I've never done that. I've never.

[Rory]

I think you're you're putting too much sauce on the. I'm asking you to come on the show. Since they are our peers and we have had conversations with everyone. I named in that Danny from the Stop interview already about working together. I have no issue being like, yo, this makes sense to do the interview now. What's your schedule like? I know issue with that.

[Mal]

No. Any interview I've ever done on the show is because I was invited, all right? I'm not reaching out to anybody to just sit on their show and do an interview.

[Rory]

What about people watching out to us so negatively?

[Mal]

Because I'm just not. I'm not. Because I'm not interested enough in doing an interview with nobody to reach out to them to do an interview.

[Rory]

Well, let's not even say an interview. Say just going on someone's podcast. That's more what I'm saying. Not like a. A sit down, one on one.

[Mal]

Let's get like, podcast enough to reach out to them and tell them, yo, what's up? I want to come on your podcast. Nah, it's a couple shows that cats have reached out to me and I'm probably going to do them just because I like, like their angle of what they're doing with their shows. But I'm not hitting nobody to be like, yo, what's up?

[Julian]

Like, do you listen to podcasts?

[Mal]

No.

[Rory]

I figured then you probably see that it's not really interview, per se.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, I think million dollars worth of game interviews, Young thug. But with us, that would just be a pod episode. Yeah, Same same way when we did.

[Mal]

But I still wouldn't reach out ad.

[Rory]

Like, that was a pod. They didn't really interview us, per se. It a combo. You and I have very similar pride. It's just channeled differently.

[Mal]

No, but even that they reached out to us, though.

[Rory]

Yeah. No, which is fine.

[Mal]

Anytime I saw AD and highlight room, I was always like, yo. But I never hit them to do their show, like, just because I'm just not. First of all, I'm not a celebrity. Why am I just going on other platforms to just talk? Like, I'm not.

[Julian]

Yeah, but you're in. Okay. You're not a celebrity, but your voice is respected in the podcast sphere. So in this sphere, you're a celebrity.

[Mal]

True, but I'm not hitting somebody like, yo, what's up? I want to come on your show, like, now. If you hit me and I. I fuck with you and what you doing, then that's different, you know? I mean, then I'm like, okay, cool. Like, I Like, this dude. I. Like this. This. This dude.

[Julian]

Like, I guess I'm. I mean, I know I'm speaking for myself. Like, I've had moments where I've listened to someone on a podcast or, like, listen to a podcast and said to myself, wow, that would be great if, like, they came on our show or you guys did their show. Kind of. Like, I feel like I have that moment all the time.

[Rory]

This was similar to what we were talking about with Ian with just egos. Like, we could all do crossover episodes if everyone didn't feel like it would be weird if I reached out to come on y'all. My pride is very sensitive in this regard. That doesn't bother my pride at all. If I see somebody that I feel is a peer as well, then it's definitely not gonna. But that's proud. We're a Pier. Let's do something together. Like, why the.

[Mal]

It's not a pride thing, though? I just. I'm just not reaching out to somebody to be on their show. Like, it's not. It's nothing to do with pride. I'm just like, yeah, but if you.

[Julian]

Like the person and respect what their. Their platform and their show, wouldn't you want to be like, oh, I want to be a part of that? Like, I want to contribute to something. I. I like this person. I like what they're doing. I want to be a part of that show.

[Mal]

See, I operate more for. Of, like, if it's. If it's supposed to happen, it's gonna happen. Like, me and this person are gonna connect somebody because it's happened. Like, I've never. I. The people that I have sat on their platforms, I didn't reach out to them. We actually met, had, like, real conversation, got a vibe of each other, and then it just organically happened. Like, yo, come on the show. Like, let's kick it. Okay, cool. But, like, reaching out to somebody via DM that you've never met, like, I'm just not doing that, because I don't. First of all, you could have a great show, but if I don't know you, if we never really met, I don't even know what I'm walking into with you. I don't even know the type of person.

[Rory]

Oh, I mean, that's a bit of a stretch. I see what you're saying there, but, like, a Gillian Wallow, we have. I wouldn't say a friendship, but an associationship with them. We're all cool. I don't think that's weird to ask in that regard. Bootleg Kevin. I are not best friends, but I. I think we're peers. And I can just text him and be like, yo, can I come on your show? I have that I want to promote and we can have a combo. It's an even exchange. He can ask me questions that I haven't done in interviews, and I can promote some.

[Mal]

She was promoting an album.

[Rory]

So I say that to say you can in other portions. Yeah, we can promote the podcast.

[Damaris]

That's why people do cross pollination in podcasts, is to grow. Grow your audience off each other's audiences. Especially because the. The. The episode is probably going to get a lot of views, get more eyes than you usually have, and everybody's trying to grow because growth leads to more money. So that's why people do the cross pollination and not just like, they just want to go hang with other podcasters.

[Mal]

Yeah, but if you want that, then you got to hit me. I'm not reaching out to anybody for that.

[Rory]

Does that work in other aspects of your life as well? Like if you're managing somebody, would you reach out for your artists? Do you feel more comfortable doing that? Is it just a you thing?

[Mal]

Oh, for my artist, yeah. That's different for somebody. I'm like, for me, like me having a podcast. I'm not reaching out to somebody that has a podcast that I never met before just because they have a platform takeaway.

[Julian]

They never met.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

No, I'm talking like the Nori Gilly, like everyone that I named in this in the Danny and stop interviewing. That's what where I have in my mind.

[Julian]

It's the world.

[Rory]

If you're saying people that you have no, like, no, I'm not going to cold DM someone and hope they check their requests.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

But I have no issue. Even though Nori has invited us plenty of times, I would have no issue texting Nori. Like, yo, I think it makes sense timing wise for what we have going on. Can we come on, drink champs? Because to me, timing is everything. With what you're trying to get out of the interview outside of good conversation, it makes sense for us. Now let's go do it. I don't mind hitting them. That's. I don't think it's a weird thing.

[Mal]

Okay. That's just where we differ. But I'm not doing it that I'm not reaching out to nobody. I don't with.

[Rory]

You reach out to women in their comments every day.

[Mal]

No, I don't.

[Julian]

We're taking out.

[Rory]

What if you just sent money Bags to wallow. That would be the reach out.

[Mal]

That's something else.

[Julian]

That's sick.

[Rory]

I thought it. I thought it was universal, meant everything.

[Julian]

Cars.

[Rory]

Yeah. Cars Wallow.

[Julian]

And no, I think you're. You keep saying, I'm not doing that to someone I don't with. But we're saying it's someone that you know or at least have somewhat of a working relationship with you still.

[Mal]

Oh, that's different because we probably already had that conversation personally. Like, yo, we gotta.

[Julian]

But then when that timing's right for you, would you be like, hey, like, got this coming out. Cool if I find availability to come on your show in a week or two?

[Mal]

But that's different because we already have that relationship. See, I thought. I thought Rory was more so just the conversation. That conversation. Leaning towards, why don't we do other platforms of podcasts in general, even if we don't have a relationship or know the person? And I'm just like, that's just weird. Like, to go sit down with somebody and y'all have. This is our first time.

[Julian]

Like, yeah, I think that's a different level of comfort. Like, I'm cool with the cold message. Like, I don't know you personally, but we're obviously doing similar work. There's some synergy here. But I guess to your point, like, yeah, it's obviously easier if it's, like, someone you have a history with or. No.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's all I'm saying. I just. I just like to have some type of rapport or some type of relationship with a person before it turns into, like, business. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just like, what type of person is this person? Who is this person?

[Rory]

Okay?

[Mal]

Because then you end up sitting down with somebody, having an interview, and then two months later, you find out this person's a piece of shit. And now you plastered all over their platform. It's like, but you didn't even know this person. But you. Because you wanted to just go sit on the platform and do an episode, and you jumped out there. But it's like, yeah, this person's a fucking cocksucker. This is a piece of shit. Now you gotta. Now you on their platform. You see what I'm saying? Like, that's what I be trying to stay away from. It's like, all right, but who is this person? Like, who is. Or who is this woman? Like, I don't know who this guy is.

[Rory]

Me mistaking the story, which I apologize with the Gillian Wallow thing, mixing up those. Those time Frames. Would you reach out to Gillian Wallow today for us to do an episode with them on their platform?

[Mal]

It depends.

[Rory]

What would be the factors?

[Mal]

What are we talking about? What are we discussing?

[Rory]

I think even more to what you were saying prior, it makes sense. And we're not doing a press run. We don't have anything really specific. So just kick it to kick it and have a great episode. Cause I think the four of us, we've all kicked it separately and together we have great conversation.

[Mal]

Yeah, I wouldn't be. I wouldn't be mad at that. But I mean, but I just don't. And then what?

[Julian]

Then it's an episode.

[Rory]

Then we drive to Philly and do an episode.

[Mal]

Yeah, but I'm talking about after that.

[Rory]

Maybe we get a cheesesteak. I don't know.

[Mal]

No, I mean, like us doing the.

[Rory]

Episode does what more we have a great moment and a great conversation with our peers. I don't think everyone that listens to million dollars worth of game listens to us. And vice versa.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

It's two people. We know. We would have a good, solid conversation that could contribute to this podcast space. Why not? Especially with podcasting where it is right now. Back to the Ian conversation. Those, like, classic episode shits, like, that shit is starting to die. And I'm not saying that we would absolutely have one with them, but these type of moments are starting to disappear in podcasting because everyone's fucking talked to each other. That's why I'm kind of happy we were patient with who we wanted to talk to. I think we still need to have our Pause our math moment. I think we do need to have our million dollars worth of game. I think we do need to do our drink champ.

[Mal]

Shit.

[Rory]

Is drying up with people talking to people. We haven't had that. So I, I was. I texted Nor Day asking for babysitter recommendations in Miami. Would happily follow up with that text and say, can we put a solid date for Mall and I to fly to Miami to do Drink Champs?

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

Philly's an hour away and I'm sure with the money that they've made, they still both live in North Phil.

[Mal]

I doubt that, but yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Just that, just that, that, that, that, that conversation was just. I was like, I gotta clear that up. Cause I don't even want that to be out there. That I be hitting niggas to be on their show and they be leaving me on red like, nah, never happened.

[Rory]

Do you feel the same with artists as far as what Reaching out and asking them to come on the pod.

[Mal]

It's different with artists, though, because they. Most of the times, you either promoting some shit or, you know, it's just. It's different with an artist as opposed to being a host of a podcast.

[Rory]

I think it's the same now.

[Mal]

No. Hell no.

[Rory]

All right, back to me doing the Danny from the Stop interview. The climate has changed, and I'm not saying podcasters were artists now, but there's fan bases dedicated to just commenting on our podcasting. There's podcasts about podcasts, about podcasts, about podcasts.

[Mal]

Yeah. Sampling the samples that was sampled from the samplers. Yeah.

[Rory]

So podcasting, to me, yeah. It's like asking for a verse swap. Like, we are artists in our own right as far as this genre. So reaching out to somebody would be like reaching out for a feature or reaching out to collab on a song. It's the same concept, in my opinion. Now we have become the artists to a large group of people.

[Mal]

I don't know.

[Rory]

We have.

[Julian]

He's not wrong.

[Mal]

I don't think we've become the artist. I'm not saying I get what you're.

[Rory]

Saying, but I have a live show. DC March 23.

[Mal]

DC March 23. Howard Theater, newroarimal.com tickets available now.

[Rory]

Live show.

[Mal]

I'm not saying that. I'm just not. We're not the artist. I get what you're saying, but I'm just not comfortable with saying we are the artist. Like, I'm not. I don't know.

[Rory]

Why?

[Mal]

Just because I just think it's totally different. Like, I just think it's totally different.

[Rory]

Can I ask the differences?

[Mal]

I don't think we are the same. As if Chris Brown has an album out, he's going on a press run. I don't think that podcasters are in that same. Like, on that same tier. No, I don't.

[Rory]

Oh, no, I'm not saying in the press run sense. I'm saying when Chris Brown reaches out to Ty Dolla and is like, let's work on a record together. And then you think that's the same.

[Mal]

As us reaching out to Gillian Waller.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mal]

Fuck.

[Rory]

Think it's the exact same thing at this point, and especially how the fan bases have changed and how they obsess over podcasting as podcast fans. They're not here just to listen to us talk about Chris Brown. We are Chris Brown to them. Well, I'm more Quavo, but yes, we are. We are that.

[Julian]

You said he's a.

[Rory]

To a very Large fan base this is. They're more interested in us than who we're talking about. A lot of the time it's not a huge fan base, but it's a fan base. So to me, it's a verse swap. If we go to a million dollars worth of game and it's like, let's do a joint album.

[Julian]

And there's less red tape in podcasting because you don't have to go through legal clear things and do the bring in the boardrooms if you. Your whole transaction can be done via text. Hey, we're in Philly. Boom. Come do the show.

[Rory]

Especially with pods like us because we're not guest based. So it's even more that with us.

[Mal]

Yeah, but I think. I think what you said is. Is somewhat the problem in podcasting right now though.

[Rory]

How so?

[Mal]

Because I think a lot of these podcasters think they're celebrities now. Oh.

[Rory]

I mean, that goes without saying, but.

[Mal]

And I think that's the problem.

[Rory]

It can be a problem because fame and attention is the worst drug on earth. But they do have some right to feel that as far as attention and finances, they can go dollar for dollar with a lot of. A lot of celebrities. We can go dollar for dollar with a lot of celebrities.

[Mal]

Yeah, but I just. It's just different, man. It's. It's different. Like, I didn't know.

[Julian]

You're saying it's different because of the skill that, like the, the nature of what's being done. Like we're not singing around.

[Mal]

That's a big part of it.

[Julian]

Are you talking. Okay, so is it the skill or the.

[Mal]

That's a big part of it.

[Julian]

What. So that's. Is that the. The highest thing or what else?

[Mal]

And it's just a lot of these artists, if they announce a show, they're doing crazy fucking arenas. Like most podcasters are not doing arenas.

[Rory]

But a lot of times podcasters, like the top tier podcasters most of the time are discussing artists that they are more famous than in this current climate.

[Mal]

Some, yeah.

[Rory]

Not. Not all. But I'm saying peers of, of the group I'm talking about that we would quote, unquote, collab with. Yeah, there's been plenty of times that they are bigger than the artists they're discussing at this point. And I know how podcasting started was the opposite. It was a bunch of smart people talking about a genre they loved and then they got popular. I think it's corny and weird to your point, that they're walking around like they are these crazy celebs and this and that. But that, that comes with money and fame for a lot of insecure people.

[Mal]

Just because I sit down and interview Chris Brown or one of these, like, superstars or Drake or whoever, that doesn't mean that I'm on the same level as them.

[Julian]

No, I agree.

[Rory]

But that goes back to.

[Mal]

A lot of podcasters feel like that.

[Rory]

Because the fan base now care more about the podcaster than they do the artists they're talking to or talking about. That's what I'm saying. That's why people feel that way. And that's why I was referencing music the way I was when it came to collabing with other pods. This fan base, the core pod fan base, looks at the podcaster as the celebrity. Do they enjoy a nice guest or an artist they like? Sure. Is it going to get more views? Because that art is going to bring their fan base. But that podcast fan, that returning fan is there for them. They're not there for the artist. So agree.

[Mal]

Yeah. You're there for the show. You subscribe to the show or the podcast. I understand that. I'm saying artists just that statement of the podcasters are now like the artists. No, I can't. I can't. I can't. I'm not jacking that. Hell no.

[Rory]

To. I'm. I want to be clear to a specific fan base, and I think it's a large fan base. In no way am I going to be that guy that is saying how a lot of these guys that are feeling themselves, that they think they are bigger than music or bigger than the. The A list music people. But to a core fan base. Yeah, they look at them as the art that's. That's their guy.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

So, yeah, I just wanted to clear that up. I didn't put us.

[Rory]

I have Gillian Wallow's number.

[Mal]

Did.

[Rory]

Should you put us all in a group chat? Let's do it on air. I'm with you.

[Mal]

I'm about to say that's weird. Yo. I didn't listen to the. I didn't listen to the whole interview. I just saw that. That clip and I listened to that clip.

[Rory]

But it was a fun interview. And again, I think it's important because they represent a large fan base of podcasting and where it's evolving to. So I think it's important to talk to. To those guys.

[Mal]

So now the fan base is now the podcasters.

[Rory]

But is that not.

[Mal]

There's just a certain.

[Rory]

Is that not who we were? Because I can't shit on them because How I started podcasting. I was a fan of music, talking about music.

[Mal]

I'm still.

[Rory]

I didn't go to broadcasting school.

[Mal]

No, no, I'm. I'm still a fan of me. But it's just like now. The fans of the podcast are now interviewing. They have shows and they're interviewing the podcasters. So then what's next after that?

[Rory]

I think China just drops a nuke.

[Mal]

Mm.

[Julian]

Mm.

[Rory]

I think. I think that's really where his head is. Yeah, that's about it. Right.

[Mal]

That's the only thing that's next after Oppenheimer 2.

[Rory]

I think we put on our apple goggles and then just a nuke comes.

[Mal]

Sean King has reverted to Islam. How true is this?

[Julian]

No, this is it. It's true.

[Mal]

This is Rory's. This is your topic right here.

[Julian]

Rory sent me this. I started laughing so hard.

[Rory]

That's a lot. Why? Why is Sean King converting? I'm not mad at anyone that wants to convert. Some of my best friends are of this religion. I respect it wholeheartedly. I respect their teachings, follow some of their teachings.

[Mal]

Yep.

[Rory]

Oldest religion, I think, probably the religion that makes the most sense. I'm sorry if that's offensive to anyone, but why is Sean King now, after failing on his ceasefire that he promised two months ago, now converting? And what was he before and how long has he been doing his lessons?

[Mal]

I don't have those answers for you, my brother, but I just thought it was funny reading that Shaun King reverted.

[Rory]

Does that not like. Like, listen, if he's really been for, like, the last year or converted.

[Mal]

Excuse me.

[Rory]

Fully committed to doing this. I'm not actually here to make my typical Sean King jokes, but is he aware that this looks very opportunistic and on brand for some of the bullshit that he's done?

[Mal]

It comes across. The timing is interesting, but he said that he.

[Julian]

At the start of Ramadan.

[Mal]

At the start of Ramadan, he said he converted to being a Muslim after recognizing the Palestinian people's, I guess, their plight or their, you know, their hardships and what they're going through right now. I believe that's what I said.

[Julian]

Right, Julian, at the top, here's a quote here. My heart is with my dearest friends in Gaza, and I'm proud that we were able to provide meals tonight to thousands and thousands of families from the north to the south in Gaza. So he's just saying he's been more involved. It has touched me in the most profound way to see people right now in the most dangerous, traumatic place on the Planet still. Be. Still be able to sometimes look at nothing but rubble and the remains of their family and still see meaning, purpose in life.

[Rory]

So he spoke about nothing specific to the religion at all.

[Mal]

Well, he said together, and then made.

[Rory]

An announcement before Ramadan. I'm not going to get into the. That's nuts. But go ahead.

[Mal]

Well, he said together, we took Shahad and converted to Islam to start off Ramadan. It was a beautiful, powerful, meaningful day for us that we will never forget. Him and his wife converted in Dallas.

[Julian]

Texas, the heart of Ramadan.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mal]

During Ramadan.

[Rory]

No, I. Happy for him.

[Julian]

No notes. He smoked it.

[Rory]

This is one of the. All right.

[Mal]

Be happy for sure.

[Rory]

No, no, no, no. See, this. This is why it's not fair. This is why it's not fair. Because I respect that religion so much.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

This became bulletproof because I do not want to clown at all.

[Mal]

I feel you.

[Rory]

That religion because I have too much respect for it.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

This looks fucking insane.

[Mal]

I mean. Yeah, I agree with you.

[Rory]

Who announces this the day before Ramadan?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I mean, and then instead of talking about the religion, talks about the plight of the Palestinians as if that is what defines that religion.

[Mal]

Yeah, I understand.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.

[Mal]

Listen, bro, I know, because, you know.

[Rory]

You try to make it bulletproof, it's still bullshit.

[Mal]

Right. But it's hard to see. It's. It's hard to go at it like that when somebody is talking about they've actively been trying to help the people in Palestine. They obviously have had a close eye on everything going on over there.

[Rory]

I'm not saying that he hasn't been vocal.

[Mal]

That is the religion of most people there. Yes. Right. So he's saying that he found some attachment to it because of seeing how the people that literally had nothing and lost everything, lost family members, lost their homes, lost their city, everything, and they still had this faith and this belief because of their religion. So he found power in that. So this is why he decided to convert to Islam.

[Julian]

You know what I think, to play the cynical side of this, like Rory, now that he's converted, I think it'll be a lot easier for him to raise more money. People will trust him more because now he has the religion.

[Mal]

He basically. He picked the side, is what you're saying.

[Julian]

Yeah. Now people will freely give him more money because he became the deacon in the hood.

[Rory]

Now he can collect and drive a bench.

[Julian]

Exactly.

[Mal]

It's.

[Julian]

It's his because. Because he's aligned with the original religion. Now his intentions must be pure. This guy.

[Rory]

I Just feel like if you're gonna do this announcement, like, you have to. You have to give more, especially before Ramadan. Like, it's just out of the. The amount of religious wars that have happened since Sean King has been alive. Like, why this one?

[Mal]

I feel you. Listen, I understand what you're saying.

[Rory]

Why something that now is the most profitable thing to be a part of.

[Julian]

That's why you answered your question.

[Rory]

It was rhetorical.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Is it the most profitable? What makes it the most profitable?

[Rory]

Attaching yourself with talking points to this conflict right now in the media is extremely profitable. On top of that, it's the most profitable from an American standpoint, as is the amount of money we're sending over there. Every. Everything to do with this conflict is attached to money, power, and corruption. It would be the best thing if you are corrupt and looking for money to attach yourself to.

[Mal]

Okay, I see what you're saying. Got it.

[Rory]

All right, now. Sorry. This is not me defending Andrew Tate. I swear, even though he's the last man on earth, the rest of us are. I'm not saying Tate, and I'm again, not trying to religion shame him. If he is converted, more respect to him, but he was in jail, and you get more benefits. You get certain things if you convert. So when he converted, I understood.

[Mal]

I don't think he converted in jail, though. I don't think that we gotta. We gotta look that up, Julian. I think Tate. I don't think he converted to Islam in jail, though.

[Julian]

It might have happened before. Right before his arrest, so. Well, it was, you know, it was pretty well timed. So shortly before his arrest in December 2022, he claimed before that, he was.

[Mal]

An orthodox Christian and atheist. Yeah.

[Rory]

How are you? How are you both Orthodox Christian and atheist?

[Mal]

Yeah. Tate all over the place, ain't he? He just out there trying.

[Julian]

That's how you bipolar religion, like religion.

[Rory]

You know, sometimes when bad happens, like, yo, this.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

There's no way. There's no way God is real. If he is real, he's an.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So I feel, Tate, sometimes you got.

[Mal]

To feel like that to convert to a certain religion. I get it.

[Rory]

Perfect. Segue right into orthodox Christianity, the West Family. Are you gonna cop Northwest? Sometimes I feel like Kanye is one of those Christians and atheists at the same time. He's a Christian, then sometimes he's God, and then other times he's rapping about. But then Jesus is King will come out in July. Then we'll go back to just random thoughts. But are you guys gonna cop the elementary School Dropout by Northwest album announced at the Vultures 2 listening session.

[Mal]

Not for me.

[Rory]

Not for me either. And I'm glad. I mean, it would be weird if we thought that was for us. I don't think these kids have their little Bow Wow Beware of the Dog album. I think north could deliver that. She could be there. I'm sorry, age difference here. They're crisscross.

[Mal]

You might have just did something. Hold on. Her dad is one of the greatest producers ever worked for Jermaine Dupree. One of the greatest creators ever. She has access to writers, him, her dad.

[Rory]

Think maybe she'll get a Kanye beat.

[Mal]

The music, the music is going to be interesting. I don't know what the context is going to be or the content of the music.

[Rory]

Her freestyle was great. She found a pocket. You get someone to write for it.

[Julian]

She got a James Blake feature.

[Rory]

Yeah, he cleared the sample.

[Mal]

Well, that's what I'm saying. She has access to that because of who her. Her dad is. But yeah, I don't. I'm not. I can't listen to this.

[Rory]

I mean, the kids, they all, they have their tick tock stars and all that, but that whole like young artist, rapper thing is gone. There's no Bow wows, there's no Romeos. There's, you know, everything that J.D. was doing.

[Mal]

Oh, no, it's Atlanta. It's. It's young rappers out here. But drastically these little. It's an 11 year old on YouTube I'm scared of. And for sure he got three bodies.

[Rory]

And he could rap really well. And he's definitely a murderer. Yeah, I'm saying, like the pop rapper, the way Romeo and Bow wow were for me, right. I was 12 when Beware of the Dog came out. I knew every lyric. These kids don't have that. And I think it's been generations since. Since it's happened. They had what, Hannah Montana after that.

[Mal]

Hannah Montana.

[Rory]

Like who else who has been like the child stars in music? Bad Baby Bieber. Yeah, but no rap Biebs is there, though.

[Mal]

So is this gonna be rap?

[Rory]

I think she'll probably do both. Yeah.

[Mal]

They.

[Rory]

They throw some tune on there. I can see Ant Clemens and Ty writing or some shit.

[Mal]

I just can't, I can't subscribe to this, man. It's just like this is this.

[Julian]

You think she'll own her masters?

[Mal]

This is, of course, this is like nepotism at its finest.

[Rory]

Okay, but is this good nepotism?

[Mal]

We gotta hear the music.

[Rory]

I'm scared that Kanye is going to Care too much about the music and have north saying some wild shit that she has no idea what she's saying. I'm not saying necessarily, like. Like anything sexual or. Or inappropriate in that regards. Like, I think she may, like, throw a shot at the Jews that Kanye, you know, wouldn't want to say himself. Like, north just might get that subliminal.

[Mal]

How much control. How much control does Kim have over this?

[Julian]

Probably none.

[Mal]

No, I'm. What.

[Rory]

I'm gonna sound like Kanye standing. I think he's cares about Kim's opinion of his daughter.

[Mal]

Like, of course, bro. That's her mother. Of course Kim is gonna have something to say. She's gonna hear all of this, and she's gonna approve or disapprove of what she doesn't want.

[Rory]

But he is also a spiteful father. And you can say whether he's right in that regard or not. He wasn't even invited to the birthday party. Like, he made. This could be his, you know, his get back album.

[Mal]

Getting back at Kim through their daughter, through the music.

[Rory]

If anyone would do it, it's Kanye. Kanye west for sure.

[Julian]

It's actually a great idea.

[Mal]

It's actually a terrible idea.

[Rory]

Why?

[Mal]

Because you're using your kid?

[Rory]

Yes.

[Julian]

Well, that's all they do. Their whole family, the whole Kardashian lineage is using their kids.

[Mal]

It's still a terrible idea. It's a terrible.

[Julian]

It was fine when they did it.

[Mal]

No, it wasn't. I never said.

[Julian]

It's not. Connie's not the type of person to break a cycle.

[Rory]

What's all right, what's worse, though? Using your kid for reality TV and paparazzi shit or a spite album to your ex wife? I think there's way more damage with the spite album.

[Mal]

Spite album's fire, though. Cause that's something that lived forever. Like, if you do a. If you do a reality show, it's like, I gotta. I kind of gotta go back and find that shit. The spite album, though.

[Rory]

Yo, if I get. If I pin a diss to my ex wife and let my daughter spit it, I win. Courts can do whatever they want with me. If I could ether my wife through my daughter to say how much she likes dad's house more than hers, I wouldn't.

[Mal]

All right, Rel, just find the time here. Cause we might have to delete this, but I'm gonna ask a question.

[Rory]

No, no. Find the time to keep it for a clip.

[Mal]

No, no. Is. Is. Is. Is. Is she the kid that he had contemplating getting an abortion?

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mal]

Oh, this nigga's pin might be crazy. Yo, you the kid. I. You the kid I wanted. I'm glad I didn't.

[Julian]

First of all, that happens a lot.

[Mal]

Where that kid makes the. Makes an album.

[Julian]

Oh, no, not. No, that's what you talking. No, I'm saying where parents want. Have contemplated.

[Mal]

Yeah, but everybody's parent is not Kanye West.

[Julian]

They keep the kid.

[Mal]

Yeah, but now. Now the kid is making an album that I'm executive producing that I'm bringing in writers for. Like, this is a kid that I essentially thought about getting an abortion for.

[Julian]

We.

[Mal]

We might hear some of the greatest shit ever. I don't get how that.

[Julian]

What do you think is gonna derive. Because they're way past. I'm sure they don't even think about that anymore. Like, yeah, we didn't want it like that.

[Rory]

10 years old, if she flips like some POC. Yo, plan B couldn't kill me. I took it and smiled. Like she could get her off.

[Mal]

You'll be at the steam room with.

[Julian]

This banging Julia to a 10 year old.

[Mal]

Yeah, Plan B didn't kill me.

[Rory]

I took it and smiled. If north got that bar off on.

[Mal]

The intro, I took the plan B and smiled.

[Rory]

You know, when Pac said that five shots couldn't stop me, I took it and smiled. Yeah, a North flip.

[Mal]

I don't know, man. It's not for me. But I'm gonna have to hear the music.

[Julian]

I'll check it out.

[Rory]

Wait, but what north bars could get off if ye was the one that admitted he wanted the abortion and if he's eping it.

[Mal]

No, but I'm saying that now the daughter, the kid, or the kid can now have that conversation with the parent that thought, oh, okay, you see what I'm saying? Like a song like that, similar to.

[Rory]

When Kanye and T.I. had that conversation.

[Mal]

They had that.

[Rory]

We bury that song a lot.

[Mal]

What song is that?

[Rory]

Pull it up right after he put on that Maga hat. TI and oh, my God, that song had a combo back and forth.

[Julian]

Yay versus the people. That is one of the worst.

[Rory]

We buried this in one day, and I want to bring it back to life.

[Mal]

Did they talk about getting an abortion?

[Rory]

No, but TI Use big words to try to tell Kanye that he's selling out. Oh, it was one of those, like, conversation raps. But do you think Kanye does that with north on the abortion thing?

[Mal]

I think that would be.

[Rory]

And just blames the Democrats.

[Mal]

That could be dope. Well, I don't know about blaming Democrat, but that could be dope.

[Rory]

I mean, he did in the bulletproof vest when he was crying.

[Mal]

I forgot about that.

[Julian]

Is this okay?

[Rory]

That's the intro. You gotta. That's a vocal sample.

[Mal]

I forgot about about. When Kanye was running for president, he went up there with a bulletproof vest off and started crying. Oh man.

[Julian]

Is this any worse than. Who's worse? Kanye in this situation making. Well, not making. Let's assume north wants to do it. Helping north put out an album in a spite album. Is this any worse than what Kris Jenner did to Kim?

[Mal]

What did Kris Jenner do to Kim.

[Julian]

With the tape and like.

[Rory]

Okay, but Kim could consent at that time to put that north is a child. So I don't know if she can consent to this raps coming out and I don't think Kanye west is going to do a spite album with Northwest. But it's fun to speculate. She also said she wanted to be a basketball player and a rapper. So I don't think he's doing anything wrong.

[Julian]

Like every 10 year old kid.

[Rory]

Yeah, but not all of our fathers are 10 year old. We can make it happen.

[Julian]

They want to do with their lives.

[Mal]

This was a sick ass rally, man.

[Julian]

Why did this happen?

[Mal]

He did this with no microphone, right?

[Rory]

He just yelled really loud.

[Julian]

Yeah. I mean this is going out there with no mic and crying.

[Rory]

I would have went to the rally.

[Mal]

Of course you would have gone to.

[Julian]

A Kanye rally would be incredible.

[Rory]

No, I'm a unorthodox Christian and atheist.

[Mal]

No, but you Kanye is your like your generation is like Kanye is y'all like, sure, he's the pinnacle.

[Rory]

Yeah. But there's plenty of artists that I think are the pinnacle that I don't want to run for president. I would go to the rally just like to laugh. This would be fun just to experience. To say I was there.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I wouldn't be there wondering what ye's talking points were. I would walk out like, of course he's in a bulletproof vest.

[Mal]

I remember he had some. He had. I mean obviously it's Kanye. So it's gonna come. It's gonna get lost in the. The noise and the confusion of him doing all this. But he did have some good points that he was trying to make though. It's just that it was Kanye. So people didn't ignore it. But he had some shit he was saying up there was like, okay, I'm not mad at that.

[Rory]

He had what Candace Owens repeated to him in the green room before he walked on stage.

[Mal]

Whoever repeated it, the points was were good.

[Rory]

Kanye always pushes albums back and kids are not patient. Do we think north, after two weeks of recording, just goes off and finds a new hobby? I don't think north is. Is finishing this on Kanye's timeline. I think that's fun. Like a fun play date for a week at dad's house, and then I'm cool with what we're doing.

[Mal]

I think this would just be like, a quick. Like when Kanye's putting out the seven song episode. Seven songs with all of the artists. I think it'll be something like that. What if it'd be something quick?

[Rory]

Can you diss other kids? Like, if you're all right, you're EPing your kid's album. What are the lines you really can't cross? Like, can she talk her. Can she call other kids brokies? Like, can she really get in her rat bag? Can she go down her whole block in Calabasas and just talk about every celebrity's kid?

[Mal]

I don't know if you want to do that.

[Rory]

That was rat.

[Mal]

Yeah, but now that's not. Yeah, but it's different. You're. You're. You're. You're. Your parents are wealthy. You don't want to put that out there. You driving down the block on other kids. Like, nah, that's not.

[Julian]

You think she calls out what if.

[Mal]

Who?

[Julian]

Adonis. Drake's on.

[Mal]

No, Joan, keep the beef.

[Julian]

Why not?

[Rory]

No, and then just. Yo, another thing. Willow, control your daddy. Like, what if she just really starts throwing bars out there?

[Mal]

I think Willow's like.

[Julian]

She's like a grown adult, grown woman.

[Rory]

Also, what if you get dissed by north and you're an adult? Do you fire back by rap laws? If. If north get at me, Do I not have to reply?

[Mal]

No, no. As a group, your kid gotta get in the booth.

[Julian]

Should North. Yeah, should north be worried? Because as another female rapping. How long until Nikki starts cussing at her and yelling at North, Yo, I.

[Mal]

Can'T wait for you to, like, go outside and just run people. No, no, I'm talking about, like, two.

[Rory]

Kenny.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Kenny will break parole without a hesitation. He doesn't give a.

[Mal]

He gonna crash out. He go crash.

[Rory]

He lives in the crash. He lives in a totaled car.

[Mal]

He can't wait. He's aaa.

[Julian]

The movie crashed.

[Mal]

He's aaa. If we want to be real about it, that nigga's triple A.

[Rory]

He's like, wait, I could flip this car one more time. Bet. Speed up.

[Julian]

It's like gta.

[Mal]

Yeah. Oh, man, that's funny.

[Rory]

Speaking of family business, I've been Paying attention. What's been going on with Dame and this Rockefeller man? People still care about it. I don't care if everyone's saying, yo, Dame, stop talking about it. It's a new situation.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I think it warrants a new conversation.

[Mal]

I mean, I spoke to, I spoke to. I spoke to Biggs, man. And I just. Because I didn't, I didn't know what was true. You know, you see shit online, I'm like, is this true?

[Rory]

I hit you?

[Mal]

Yeah. He said, yeah. And then he said other things that I won't repeat. But that's how I knew he was like. This whole situation for him was kind of like it pissed him off. Cause he said some things in that text that I never thought he would say in regards to Dame.

[Rory]

So for those that don't know, the latest on the Roc A fella breakup is Dame lost a lawsuit to that lawyer, Chris Brown, that he has been going back and forth with for, I don't, years now.

[Mal]

It was, it was for a film, right?

[Rory]

Yeah. So he lost that. And based on his assets to pay back the 840k, something like that, he didn't have the proper assets. The only asset he had is his stake in Rockefeller. So when you lose a lawsuit and don't have any money, they try to dilute anything that you. They'll take your house, they'll take whatever they can to get the money. Now Dame's highest asset is his, I guess 33.3% in Rockefeller, if they're even partners. But the judge said he has to sell that to get the money to pay this lawyer, Chris Brown. Now, obviously Dame can get way more than 800 grand for his 33.3% stake in Rockefeller.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

Mason Cameron alluded on their show that they bought it and we're also going to sell it to nas. After that they were going to flip it, which is fucking crazy. Then Dame sat with with Math recently, which is a really good interview at his studio. He alluded that maybe they had it, maybe they didn't have it, but he wanted to go out and shop it. Yeah, he wanted to be his decision of who could sell it. He said he made Cam VP in 2003. It ruffled everyone's feathers. Now, Cam can be CEO. Sometimes I think Dame just talks to make things funny. Obviously, if you just buy 33.3% of Rockefeller, you're not the CEO automatically. But I think this is super interesting.

[Mal]

Interesting? I don't know about interesting. I. I think that it's. It's something that we should pay attention to. Because him selling his share. Just say he. Hypothetically, if he sells his share to Cam and Mace, people know the history or the energy between Jay, Cam and Mason. I'm not sure it still stands there today. Everybody's grown men now. A lot of years has passed, but people know the history. I think all of that is a spite. It has the energy of a spite move on it, which to me is weird as 40 plus year old men, 50 year old men to still be running around with spiteful energy is just weird to me. But I think it could be both, though.

[Rory]

Like if Cam is my friend and I know he has the liquid bread.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I could be like, yo, because of this court situation, I. I owe this. Give me 840 grand. You can hold my stake. I'll pay off the guy.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

And then once.

[Mal]

Let's just.

[Rory]

Once I get my 840k back, I'll buy it back from just, you know, in Monopoly, when people hold properties.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I could see a world where that makes sense. But you should just do that with Biggs and Jay. Like, why don't you just do that with Biggs and Jay? You don't need to bring K into this.

[Mal]

So what if.

[Rory]

Just let Biggs and Jay hold it.

[Mal]

So what if Jay and Biggs say, yo, listen, we're gonna pay the 800 or something thousand. Just so you can retain ownership.

[Rory]

Do I hate Biggs and Jay?

[Mal]

Let's say you do. Yeah. So then it would be spite.

[Rory]

Back to our pride conversation.

[Mal]

It would be spite, right or wrong. If you hate. If you hate your partners and they say, listen, we're gonna pay that for you. Hypothetically, of course. Yeah, right. Let's say Jay says, yo, Dame, I'm gonna pay that, that fine or whatever that fee is just so you can retain your ownership in Rockefeller llc. And then you say as dame. Nah, I don't. I don't want that.

[Rory]

Have I spent the last portion of my career going on media runs saying, yeah, calling another man boss is like calling him daddy. If you take money from anybody, you're a sucker. If. Yeah, I can't.

[Mal]

That's crazy.

[Rory]

Oh, it's. Oh, I agree. It's crazy.

[Mal]

That's a spiteful. That's. So that's.

[Rory]

That's back to the pride we were talking about. I. I feel Dame on that pride to some degree. If I have an issue with somebody within my company and you kind of call me on some float. Yeah. That's where ego gets really up and can destroy things.

[Mal]

But here's the thing we all know as men, as men, even as women, you have ego, you have pride. We all do. Everybody walking this planet has ego and has pride. It's all about knowing when and where to turn it on. Turn it off, turn it up, turn it down. That's the important thing about ego and pride is knowing where to channel it. Ego and pride. How to channel it, when to turn it off, when to eliminate it, when to present it, when to push it forward. So as business partners, as friends first, that have created history together, that have created something so iconic and something that means so much to the culture of hip hop, that has given business models to everybody that came after, of being business owners, owning clothing lines and movies and all these things, right? We did that. And now it's at a point where, okay, we're not in business together anymore on other ventures and projects, but this we still own together. You now face hardships with a lawsuit and don't have the liquid to pay the lawsuit and things like that. I am over here on this side doing business that I'm doing, and I have the liquid available for you. And I say, yo, listen, I'll take care of that just so you can retain that. Because moving forward, if we ever want to do something with Rockefeller llc, I would rather come directly to the three that originated this and that started this than to have to now go to a third party who bought your ownership because you came across a lawsuit that.

[Rory]

You couldn't pay Liquid, Hasbro buying Death Row. Like. Like, what am I?

[Mal]

So now I gotta go sit and talk to them? No, I'd rather not do that. So here, I'll take care of that for you. Don't worry about it. I just want you to retain that ownership. Because moving forward, if we do anything together and do any business with this company, I don't want to talk to some random dude that just bought your ownership a year ago. I don't want to sit down and talk business with him.

[Rory]

Yeah, he has no idea what to do with this specific brand.

[Mal]

So at that point when you're supposed to remove your ego and say, you know what? I appreciate that, bro. Thank you.

[Rory]

Makes all the logical sense in the world. Before you start, Demaris, can we add in one hypothetical but possible. We can speculate monkey wrench into that situation. I don't get along with you guys. We have not done much around reasonable doubt, period. The only thing that I'm holding stake here now is just royalties off of streams. And if we end up wanting to sell the catalog. At some point I would get a check.

[Mal]

Check.

[Rory]

My first question would be like, all right, guys, if you do that, are we now going to work together and monetize what we're owning here? Because we're not doing anything with it and we already don't get along. So it has to be something really important, like a whole series about the making. You have to really do some content around that to monetize it. If I have the option where I'm kind of in a hole in the moment and can sell off my stakes to go do what the fuck I'm going to do instead of not doing anything because we weren't doing anything over here to begin with. Yeah, I might liquidate this shit and try to get 5 million out of my shit, pay my $800,000 debt and move on with the rest of it and go do what I want to do. Yeah, because we weren't. If we're not going to work together in general, why are you paying this 800 grand for me?

[Mal]

Because. Because you're a friend of mine. Even though we're not what we used to be as far as, like, our relationship and how much we hang out and kick it, we're still like, you're not an enemy. But.

[Rory]

Of course. But if we're not doing any history together, why shouldn't I just sell my shit and liquidated history?

[Mal]

Because this is history.

[Rory]

I agree.

[Mal]

This is history. And we made this together. We made history together. I don't want some random third party guy now coming in that I don't even know sitting at the table discussing my history. And not only that, on a selfish level, if you talking about selling. You talking about selling it, you talking about selling it. It to people that at one point or another, I had a little issue with. I had a little tension with. I had a little back and forth with. I'm just saying.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

At one point.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I don't know if the Mace thing was ever solved.

[Mal]

You understand what I'm saying? Like Mace, Cam, Nas. Him and Nas are cool now. No, that they both grown and bought under the bridge.

[Rory]

Nas would never do that unless he was. Well, actually, I don't know.

[Mal]

This is. But this is what I'm saying.

[Rory]

Since he's cool with Jay, he actually might.

[Mal]

This is what I'm saying. So now what happens if. Right, you do all of that, sell the Mason cam. Right. And it makes the Cam say, you know what? We're gonna sell it to Nas because we know that's a spike move. It's all spiteful moves. Sell it to Nas. Then what if Nas is the businessman that he is? Call Jay and be like, yo, here, man, you want this 33% now? Jay got it back anyway, and you don't have nothing. Okay, so what was the point of that?

[Rory]

I have a strategy that could go two ways. Dame puts it up for auction. I go up there with my silent partners, which is Hove, and Biggs is my backing. But nobody knows that. Dame just sees my face and sees a culture vulture about to buy his 33.3%. If I win, Jay and Biggs get it. But if Dame sees my white face, maybe he doesn't sell and goes back to Biggs and Jay. And it's like, yo, I can't let these white people buy this shit. And now they're partners again. I think I could be the factor to solve this entire thing at the auction.

[Mal]

Yeah, I think they would kick you out of the auction as soon as they saw you.

[Rory]

But what if I had Hove and Biggs money as my silent partner? I come with their money.

[Mal]

Yeah. I don't.

[Rory]

And then I just give it to them.

[Mal]

Yeah. I don't think hov needs you to go anywhere with his money.

[Rory]

It's the white face. It's not me.

[Mal]

Yeah, no, I get it, but I just don't.

[Rory]

All right, we'll send Peach. It doesn't have to be me.

[Mal]

Just any white face. Yes, it's just a white face to just get. I don't want to do business.

[Rory]

Yes, but we'll send Benner or Be Better and Peach together.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Before we get to voicemails quickly. D.C. march 23rd. Tickets available now. New Rory Mall dot com. I have slides available now. Different merch. Shop mall's actually wearing the socks right now. Half zips are sold out, but there's still slides available, so know, you know, paired that well.

[Julian]

Ma, that looks nice.

[Mal]

I mean, you know, I'm about to go steal some more socks out of there. I got some more fits I could lay this down with.

[Rory]

Well, just let me know so I could add with inventory. Like, if you want some more socks, I just need to add it. So, you know, sometimes things go, like, they disappear, and then people purchase them online. It's like, yeah, I don't have that.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Because everyone ran through my boxes. Pause and yeah. Yeah, it's not there anymore.

[Mal]

Good socks, Good merch.

[Rory]

Appreciate it. Do we have voicemails?

[Mal]

You've got mail.

[Julian]

We do. You know, class, let's lean into a relationship question.

[Mal]

So my girls got the emotional understanding of a rock. For example, I recently found out my mom's going has stage four cancer. And when I let her know about it, her response was, damn, so we're not gonna have sex tonight. But, you know, in retrospect, it's really hilarious. Now I think about it, like, it's pretty funny, but at the time, yeah, that's not what I needed. So now, you know, we're going through a lot. My mom gotta take her to, you know, her chemotherapies, and she. I don't talk to her about that process, and I can tell it. It's bugging her.

[Rory]

Is there a way for me to.

[Mal]

Like, ease her into that process or, like, have that conversation? Like, ease her into what?

[Julian]

So his girl's dumb, and it sounds like she lacks the emotional empathy that he's looking for in a time of. Of need. He's losing his mom to cancer, you know, stage, obviously fatal. It's a matter of when, not if. So he's saying he can't have these conversations with her because she's just not built for, you know, comforting or just really anything other than it seems.

[Rory]

Well, all right. Let's not put that on her right away. Like, dropping.

[Julian]

That said it. You said, my mom has stage four cancer. She said, damn, so we not going to have sex tonight.

[Rory]

What am I. What situ. Like, how did he drop that to, like, were they in bed about to have sex? And then I'm not saying what she said was right, but, like, she may have had a, like, crazy reaction to hearing that. And in that situation, we've all had socially awkward experiences and said the wrong thing. When someone says something wild to you, you're like, oh, fuck.

[Mal]

Yeah, but if my mom has stage four cancer, does my dick even work at that point? Like, I don't know if I get horny if my mom is in the hospital fighting for her life.

[Julian]

Also the wrong approach.

[Mal]

I'm just saying, like, I don't even know if I want it. So if my girl's saying we're not having sex, My dick has not been hard since I got this news that my mom is staged for.

[Julian]

Okay, well, then that kind of goes into my point. She. She should know that sex isn't the answer. Like, I. We should be having a conversation, not you.

[Mal]

I'm preparing to say goodbye to my mom. Yeah, you think I want to climb on top of you tonight and. And go to pound town?

[Rory]

Okay, but how did he present? Like, were they in the living room, like, sitting down? Like, I have Some news.

[Mal]

Why does that matter?

[Julian]

Well, we don't know.

[Rory]

I'm thinking about the situation. I'm trying to give his girl some bail. Like, she really may care, but he may have said it in the weirdest situation ever.

[Mal]

They were in bed, about to. Why they got to be about to. We just in bed laying down.

[Rory]

I'm not saying she's right. I'm just trying to add the human factor of maybe he dropped it on her and she felt super awkward, and they were already about to. And it was like, all right, what do you want me to do with this?

[Mal]

I don't think he was about to have sex and dropped that, by the way. Yeah. Like, yo, by the way, while you're down there licking my shaft. Moms is fighting stage four cancer right now. It's terminal. I don't think nobody drops that in that moment. I think, like he said, he dropped it.

[Rory]

Dropped that info. So they do it in weird times.

[Mal]

He dropped that info on her accident. And she was like. She probably was focused. She probably was horny and was like, oh, shit. So that means we can't have sex tonight. Like, that's.

[Rory]

That's a wild response. I'm just.

[Mal]

That's exactly what that.

[Julian]

Okay, so. So he wants to. It's obviously like anybody with their significant. He wants to be comfortable enough to open up to her. What can he do, if anything, to make her. I'm not. Obviously. It doesn't sound like I had someone you could do this with.

[Rory]

I had a real response to it after we got through that first part. If talking is not her thing, you can give her a list of ways that she can be there for you during this time. Whether it is. Is helping out with his schedule, whether it's helping clean the crib or food. Like, there's other ways to support someone without actual verbal communication. If you're taking care of your mom and trying to spend as much time with your mom before she passes, maybe she can just lighten the. The load everywhere else in your.

[Mal]

She's trying to lighten the load. That's exactly what she's trying to do.

[Rory]

She can do other things to help your life. That. That gives you the time to spend with Jamal.

[Mal]

Yeah. Which is what your partner is supposed to do.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

And if your partner's supposed to find wherever you're lacking that pull up, you know, help you out, things like that. Especially if your mom is fighting terminal cancer.

[Rory]

Yeah. And I know this is new to him, so he's gonna have to figure out what those things Are. But once you know them, communicate that to her. Even if it is a list or a note, like, hey, these would be very helpful.

[Mal]

She just sound like she one of them girls that just don't. You know how some people just ain't sharp. You ever been around a. That just dull you like, yo, fam. Like how you. What's wrong with you?

[Rory]

Like you didn't read the room at all.

[Mal]

Yeah, like having a partner, like a significant other. That's like that. You could start resenting that person quick. Like, that person just breathing will start to piss you off. It's like, are you still in here just breathing in the living room?

[Julian]

Like chewing loud and.

[Mal]

Yeah, go outside and do something. Like, that's when you know it's at a point where it's like, all right, I don't want to be around this person. I don't like this person.

[Rory]

I'll lighten the mood a bit to change the scenario. Has your girl ever just been, like, you know, regular sick, a little bit of a flu or something? Maybe not as contagious.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You get her settled, she seems like she's a little bit better. You ever try to make a move and fuck your sick girlfriend or a girl you're talking to anything.

[Mal]

How sick a flu, Covid?

[Rory]

And you don't have it yet.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

Okay. Mild flu. And you're not about to travel. You have nothing really going on. You could take the week.

[Mal]

It depends. Is she coming out of the flu? Cause when she first hit it, when she's first on her, it's like, nah, you just a fucking animal if you trying to have sex with a girl. I could barely stand up.

[Rory]

No, not like that. Like, she's starting.

[Mal]

She's starting to come out of it.

[Rory]

She has the flu.

[Mal]

She hit that turn.

[Rory]

She walks to the bathroom by herself.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Once. Once she hit that turn and she's like coming out of it because you can kind of gauge it with her energy level is at a certain. It's like, okay. You know how when you turn your phone into like low power mode.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

And then it charges up enough, and then it's like, all right, low power mode is turned off. Yeah, like, once her. Low power. Once she gets to 20. Yeah, you could. You. You could lay on. You know what I'm saying? Just side stroke it a little bit. Play. You know what I mean? You could do that.

[Rory]

And women that, you know, we're very dramatic when. And we're sick as men. I still want head.

[Mal]

Nah, See, when We was just in LA bro them first two.

[Rory]

Well you were like dying.

[Mal]

Yeah. Yeah. I didn't no. Hell yeah.

[Julian]

You couldn't probably do any head and.

[Mal]

Get the away from me. No.

[Julian]

This come tastes different Damaris is obviously directed to you if the. If the person's sick.

[Damaris]

I. I haven't really ran that experiment, Julian.

[Rory]

I don't know. I made sick.

[Mal]

You never gave no sick head it.

[Damaris]

I've never swapped not like aidsick but.

[Mal]

Like sick sperm you get domestic I've.

[Rory]

Never But does can the flu be spread through sperm? Like if I have a cold is it in my.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Wait.

[Julian]

That's how you.

[Rory]

I don't want to be lied to again.

[Mal]

Wasn't he Foucy was up there lying his ass off. I don't know if y'all noticed but all you vaxxers out there they just classified Covid the same as a flu the CDC last week officially so you're.

[Rory]

Her if she has covet so I.

[Mal]

Just do with that I just. All the people that y'all cursed out during COVID because they didn't want to get back and all this.

[Rory]

I've ate sick before it tastes.

[Julian]

Wait. There's great news. Sex can help with the respiratory infection as it turns out. But only for a short term sex triggers endorphins that may provide temporary relief from symptoms but those symptoms will come back quickly. It's like post nut clarity.

[Mal]

Exactly.

[Julian]

You feel good during the and then once you bust your stick. Your nose is still running.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Damaris, how would you feel? And we'll do the reverse question to the guys afterwards. I already know their answer though. Your man has stage four cancer.

[Mal]

Her boyfriend.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

And he has an adult Make a wish foundation in his sights. Drea, his dick still works. He's got three months to live. How crazy can he go?

[Mal]

They.

[Rory]

They've already put him home. He's not in the hospital anymore. Make him comfortable. Put him in his chair and let him die. How many bitches can he fuck before he dies?

[Julian]

What kind of cancer though? You probably can't do anything I said his dick works.

[Rory]

It's not colon cancer. He's not that freaky.

[Damaris]

However many he wants to get your off until you pass out and die gangster.

[Julian]

You didn't want that answer.

[Damaris]

I know he didn't want that answer.

[Julian]

The.

[Rory]

No, it's not that I didn't. No, I wanted that.

[Mal]

You didn't prepare for that.

[Rory]

No, no, no, no. You guys are missing. You guys are missing. Why?

[Damaris]

I'm professional.

[Mal]

He didn't prepare. He didn't study.

[Rory]

Maris would let her man do that if she participates without cancer. I'm now thinking about if I had stage four cancer. Me trying to tell my girl that. That I don't know if I. I don't know if I'd be received with the same good luck.

[Mal]

No, I think that. I think.

[Julian]

Oh, you know.

[Mal]

Well, you know, hell, thanks.

[Rory]

Thanks, guys.

[Mal]

You could have stage. You could be first stage and she wouldn't be having that. But I think that any woman, if your significant other is dying and he's like, listen, man, I just want to go out and I just want to. I want to like an animal. For these next. The Doctors gave me 100 days to live.

[Julian]

That's a lot of.

[Mal]

I just wanna. For these next hundred days, I wanna have as much sex as possible.

[Rory]

Plant my seed.

[Mal]

Well, now, that's crazy.

[Julian]

Genghis Khan type B. Yeah.

[Damaris]

I gotta share my money that you left me with them. If you start planting seeds.

[Mal]

Yes.

[Rory]

All right. No kids will happen. Your girl can participate. Is it that crazy of an ass?

[Damaris]

I don't want to have no cancer threesome.

[Rory]

Why not? You have a carcass, but this is why.

[Mal]

You heard the marriage. I don't want to have no cancer threesome like you. Why not?

[Rory]

But you don't.

[Mal]

You can't catch it.

[Damaris]

It's just ass.

[Rory]

You know?

[Damaris]

How you know that you gonna be out of breath?

[Julian]

He got chemo dick.

[Damaris]

He's in the dick works and he.

[Rory]

Can sit right there.

[Damaris]

You're on exact. That's ass. Who wants to do that?

[Rory]

You're not gonna fuck your man to his deathbed?

[Damaris]

No, I didn't say that. But I don't want the threesome.

[Rory]

But no, that's helpful to you. You get an able body next to you.

[Mal]

Yeah, like, she could do you in.

[Damaris]

The way at that point.

[Mal]

All right, so you would have sex with your man then. Let me watch if he's terminally ill.

[Damaris]

Okay, you can watch.

[Mal]

You would have sex with your boyfriend if he's terminally ill?

[Damaris]

Of course. I would do anything for my man if he was terminally ill. Anything for my man feels healthy, especially if he's terminally ill.

[Mal]

Copy.

[Rory]

Okay, reverse question, fellas. No, and this is why double standards are funny.

[Mal]

Just.

[Julian]

Hey.

[Rory]

No, this is why double standards are funny. Because a bunch of girls going to the stage four cancer guy that dick still work. Would be looked at as like. Those are nice, charitable girls that care sex workers. A bunch of men going to a girl with stage 4 cancer would be the sickest thing on earth.

[Mal]

Yeah. That's crazy. You can't go in there with a girl.

[Rory]

You can't go a girl with stage.

[Mal]

Four, and you still might. Yo, bend over. Bend over. Her plug might fall out. Dude, bend over. She got a plug in her chest.

[Rory]

Like, the women would be angels, and the men would be the creepiest men on earth.

[Mal]

Yeah. Certain things that we just can't do.

[Rory]

And let's say you're with it. Let's say your girl's last dream is like, yo, I just. I just want a bunch of guys to me. And you're. You're with that type of. How do you gather.

[Damaris]

It's never gonna be with that.

[Rory]

Of course. Hypothetical. How do you gather the men?

[Damaris]

You not letting her.

[Mal]

That's the only way she could do that is if she dying.

[Damaris]

You still not gonna.

[Mal]

She out of here. She ain't. I'm gonna be single in two weeks.

[Julian]

I was gonna say Ma would just be looking forward to when he's single again.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, when those guys show up.

[Julian]

Ticket.

[Rory]

Give me a break.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Go out. And someone else.

[Mal]

If my girl is terminally ill and her. Which is weird, that her dream or her dying wish would be like, yo, I just want to have a train ran on me. Listen, man, she's dying, and you still.

[Damaris]

Gonna say that ain't your girl.

[Rory]

Is your eulogy gonna be different at the funeral?

[Mal]

Oh, 100%. Let me tell y'all what she wanted. Like, going out. Let me tell y'all what her dying.

[Rory]

Wish was before all the family members come up here and say nice things. She was a whore.

[Mal]

Yeah. Not me and her going to Paris and kissing under the Eiffel Tower. That wasn't her dying wish.

[Julian]

No. She just wanted to get Eiffel Tower.

[Mal]

Yeah. She wanted to be the Eiffel Tower. She wanted to get a train ran off.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Also.

[Rory]

But how do you find. Like, how do you get the fellas together?

[Julian]

What guy would want to. The cancer.

[Mal]

Yeah. There's not a lot of men that's willing to do that.

[Rory]

That's getting that crew together. I wouldn't even know where to reach out. Well, I don't even know if Craigslist.

[Damaris]

Would be to tell them that you have cancer. Like, for example, if you have brain cancer.

[Mal]

If you're terminally ill. Yeah.

[Julian]

If you have, like, a month to live.

[Mal]

Like, you look like you have a month to live. Like, you don't look like how you look right now. Demarison. Like, you have a month live. It doesn't work like that. Yeah, like you're fading. Like, it's like you can see it. You know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

But, like, what? Like some of those crazy brain tumors, you know? Just a little bump right there, and you got, like, two weeks to live. Still could be a bad bitch.

[Mal]

Yeah, but you probably don't. She doesn't have no hair.

[Rory]

She put, like, a wig. She go to town.

[Mal]

Her complexion.

[Julian]

You guys are, like, assuming that people still want to fuck. I feel like they have no drive. I feel like this depletes your sex drive.

[Mal]

Oh, I already know if it's terminal four. I don't want. I had the. Whatever I had, and I didn't want to leave me the alone.

[Rory]

People have done remarkable things with adrenaline right before they died. Like, if that's their last wish, I think they would, you know, they'd have some superhuman strength to get that last training, and then they would die.

[Damaris]

Find the strength.

[Rory]

But imagine if you a girl and then she just died.

[Damaris]

Like, right?

[Rory]

Like, right. Yeah. Like you knew she had cancer.

[Mal]

Oh, that just means I killed that person.

[Rory]

I was about to say that'd be a crazy ego boost for me.

[Julian]

You don't even get if I left.

[Rory]

Her and she died.

[Julian]

Literally.

[Rory]

You couldn't tell me after that?

[Mal]

Yo, baby D. I killed the. What you want me to put that in there dead? What you want me to do? Yo, wouldn't you get charged with it?

[Julian]

What would you get?

[Rory]

No, but we. We know she has stage four charged with it. What?

[Mal]

She had stage four kids and, like.

[Rory]

Me to come after if the EMTs came.

[Julian]

She wanted me to come have sex with.

[Rory]

To, like, bag her up. No, I'd take my moment. I would carry her out to the ambulance. Like, we don't need a stretcher.

[Mal]

Nah, man. Zip hug.

[Julian]

You know we don't need a stretcher. I already did.

[Mal]

Yo, we got another voicemail.

[Julian]

No, that's good.

[Mal]

That was terrible. All right. Yeah.

[Damaris]

I didn't give that man advice, by the way.

[Rory]

Yeah, Put a list together of other ways that she can dump her. Help lighten the loan.

[Julian]

Very empathetic. I don't know. It's not someone I would probably want to spend a lot of time with romantically.

[Mal]

Oh, we didn't ask the most important question.

[Damaris]

Oh, Jesus.

[Mal]

What's her relationship like with your mother?

[Damaris]

Sorry.

[Julian]

Oh, true.

[Mal]

You see what I'm saying?

[Rory]

Yeah, maybe. Maybe we're not. Tonight was a nice thing to say instead.

[Mal]

Yeah, maybe she don't. With your mother. Like, maybe your mother don't. With her, like, they don't get along. It could be that, see? It could be that we ain't think about that. It could be that maybe her mother never really liked her and. And she knew that. And now that the mother's dying, she's.

[Damaris]

Probably like, my ancestors don't play about me.

[Rory]

What is the proper thing to say, though?

[Julian]

Not what she said.

[Rory]

I agree. All right, but, like, what?

[Julian]

Damn, how long?

[Mal]

Well, let's focus on making her happy and keeping her comfortable no matter how many days she has left.

[Damaris]

Some people.

[Mal]

None of us know how many days we have left. You say, like, that some people don't.

[Damaris]

Know how to deal with tragedy. It makes them very awkward and uncomfortable. Same type of people who laugh at funerals. And I'm not standing up for her because I couldn't be with somebody like that. But some people don't know how to handle situations like that.

[Mal]

Laughing at a funeral is crazy a lot. Yeah, but laughing how, though? Is it somebody.

[Julian]

Yeah, like, because of what.

[Mal]

Because somebody said is like saying a.

[Damaris]

Funny memory about the person cackling out of the discomfort of being at a funeral.

[Mal]

Like, if somebody's up at the casket ball and crying, and you just in.

[Damaris]

The third row not laughing at anybody, the same way that other people are crying, they're laughing. I have never seen that defense mechanism. It happens.

[Rory]

It's not like an obnoxious. Like, I've laughed at it.

[Mal]

If somebody got up there and saying something funny about the person. Oh, yeah, of course.

[Damaris]

But no, it's like, that's what.

[Mal]

Yeah, but if somebody's just sitting down and nobody's saying nothing and they just back there laughing. I've never seen. First of all, we asked that, like, who is you here? Yeah, like, yo, you could go outside. Like, you could wait in the parking lot, fam. Like, I don't even know what side of the family you from. We never seen you before. You just sitting here giggling. Nah, you can get up out the.

[Rory]

Big areola video that we play before we go on stage. Would you let that play at your funeral, gangster?

[Mal]

Yeah, play that.

[Rory]

I'm with you.

[Mal]

Show all my highlights and low lights. Not here. I don't give a.

[Rory]

Like, what low lights would you like.

[Mal]

I don't know any ugly.

[Damaris]

You from seventh grade?

[Mal]

Nah, she better be second row. You better bury her with me. Don't nobody.

[Rory]

Alive.

[Mal]

Yeah. No, no. Yeah, alive. Put her. Put her in here, too. Nah, ain't no.

[Rory]

I mean, but a casket is pretty much like just a college dorm room bed.

[Mal]

Put her in here.

[Rory]

There's not a lot of stuff.

[Mal]

Ain't nobody gonna know about that. The ugly. Nah, not my ugly bodies. Y'all can't bring that up.

[Rory]

What stuff would you guys like to be put in your casket? Like to go down with you? Besides the fat chick from seventh grade?

[Mal]

I don't know.

[Julian]

My iPad and some salmon.

[Mal]

I don't know. Put some speakers in my shit. It would be dope to put speakers in like. Like, your casket. And then, like, when y'all come to my. Y'all got the Bluetooth to my. When y'all come to my.

[Rory]

My.

[Mal]

My tomb. Yeah. And then y'all, like, could play some music. Y'all can hear it coming out of the dirt. That's gangster.

[Rory]

I mean, I'm a hoarder. And again, back to being orthodox Christian, atheist. Maybe that's the stuff we have in the afterlife. Like, throw as much shit as you.

[Mal]

Can in there in your casket.

[Rory]

Yeah. Like, what happens if I can actually take that stuff? Humans are very arrogant. Like, you can't take it with you. How do you know?

[Mal]

No, that's true. So what you want, like, your. Your slides.

[Julian]

Slides.

[Rory]

10. 10. 10 racks and ones. Okay.

[Mal]

Just in case. Never know where.

[Rory]

You might Never know.

[Julian]

Just in case you wake up in Atlanta.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

There's grave robbers, right? People rob graves.

[Rory]

If they do that, they deserve it. Good for them.

[Julian]

That means they found a.

[Mal]

Anybody running around.

[Rory]

You put in that work.

[Mal]

If you robbing graves, you need it more than my. My.

[Julian]

What's that show called? Where they go to the old. The old closet things, and they. They bid on it and they clip the lock and you get everything in it.

[Mal]

It.

[Julian]

You know, like the old.

[Rory]

Like, Storage Wars.

[Julian]

Yeah, it's like that, but except illegal. And you're just going at it. But if you've come across a magic.

[Mal]

Story, imagine digging up a grave and you think somebody got something in there, and you open the casket, there's nothing in there.

[Rory]

Mailbox locks, like, nothing today.

[Mal]

But now what?

[Julian]

But if you go to Rory's and you got $10,000 cash, that's a great grave robbers, though.

[Rory]

They don't just dig up random graves. Information about, like, rich families that leave.

[Damaris]

Story coming on a podcast that's syndicated, and I'm putting 10,000.

[Rory]

If you dig six feet for. You're gonna have to do it pretty quickly, too, because that money is going to disintegrate. Yeah, good for you.

[Julian]

And you want to do it early anyway because the soil's soft.

[Rory]

Just tuck me back in. Like, just be polite about it.

[Mal]

Yeah, put me back.

[Rory]

And if the 10k isn't there, then, you know, I just discovered something for you. You can take it with you. Sorry, Andrew Tate. I solved it. Sorry. Sorry. Sean King. I have the keys to the world. Put a router in mine just in.

[Julian]

Case there's WI fi down there.

[Rory]

You never know. Like, a really strong router.

[Damaris]

My phone. Bury me with my phone and leave my phone, my MacBook still alive.

[Mal]

Yo, do you want.

[Rory]

Can you bury me with my icloud? Is that possible?

[Mal]

Do you want your.

[Damaris]

Give it up, bro. She gonna see it.

[Mal]

You want. You wouldn't want to be buried with your phone, or would you, like.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Mal]

You don't want. You don't want anybody to have access to your text messages.

[Damaris]

Nah, nah, you could. My little sister could keep my phone. I told her she can keep. She's my designated phone keeper when I die her.

[Mal]

And she could go through it.

[Damaris]

Yeah, my little sister. Oh, yeah.

[Julian]

I saw a meme. Somebody had a Apple watch preset, and it said if. If their heart rate falls below, it was like one or two beats per minute to. To automatically delete everything on there, to just wipe the factory, reset their whole.

[Damaris]

I love.

[Julian]

Yeah. And I was like, that is genius.

[Mal]

That's fire.

[Julian]

That's just. That's the safety. All just boom. If I'm dying, clean the house.

[Rory]

Like, what if there's a mouth, like, function in the watch? And, like, you're just chilling.

[Mal]

Like, you.

[Rory]

Sitting these things up.

[Mal]

You sitting there watching the game, trying.

[Rory]

To get a text.

[Mal]

You're like, oh, all my photos.

[Rory]

What the.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's crazy when you think about it. It. Your phone factory reset, and you. You. You just sitting here chilling.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Nah, that's crazy. That happened to me one time, though. My phone was shut off and then cut back on and everything was gone.

[Julian]

How much money would you have to. Someone have to give you Ma. To let your girl go through your icloud?

[Mal]

How much money would somebody have to give me?

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

You got to give me at least.

[Julian]

Because you're banking on. The relationship's over. So how much is it?

[Mal]

Oh, the relationship is cooked.

[Julian]

We know.

[Mal]

I'm not worried about that. You gotta give me at least 5 mil to go through my phone. At least.

[Rory]

I would lie to Cash to get the five mil. Cause, boy, she went through it more than once. There's nothing she hasn't seen in there.

[Mal]

Oh, you talking about your girl?

[Rory]

Yeah, that's not. Now I would lie about, like, yo, just gimme five mil she can go through it.

[Mal]

That's not.

[Rory]

And then we'd laugh off into the sunset.

[Mal]

Well, AI, tell me, how did you feel when your girl went through your phone that first 30 seconds when, like, she made it?

[Julian]

How does that happen? How did you do it? Or you told her to deal?

[Rory]

She just did it.

[Mal]

Who tells that girl to go through their phone? Julia? I don't know what on this planet has ever told his shorty, yo, passing my phone over there, but on the way back over here, go through it.

[Rory]

The only man. The only man that's done that is the man with the confidence that just deleted everything and isn't is gonna look even more guilty.

[Mal]

Go through it.

[Rory]

Why do you only have four text messages in the last 15 years? Yo, that's what I do.

[Mal]

Oh, I don't really talk to yo.

[Rory]

I'm not like you. I don't text anyone.

[Mal]

Yeah, I don't really be talking anymore.

[Damaris]

That deleting your text threads is the stupidest thing. You delete the individual messages. You edit the messages to look the way you want them to look. You never delete the whole thread.

[Rory]

I don't have that type of patience.

[Damaris]

Well, you're supposed to do it as you go along. Allegedly.

[Mal]

Okay. Allegedly. Okay, so as you send that text, like, yo, I want you to come over and blow my back out as soon as you send it. Deleted.

[Julian]

Okay, wait, so Rory. So the first time happens, there wasn't.

[Rory]

Anything specific in my mind that I was like. Oh, it was more the paranoia of not remembering. Like, is there something that I've forgot about that you don't know about? And then on top of that, it's not like I have my icloud goes back to, like, 2011. Like, if you get a girl with a. A vendetta.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's different.

[Rory]

She'll start looking at in 2010 and call you out on it. And it's like.

[Mal]

Which is stupid, but.

[Rory]

But then also at the point of like, why do you have that? It's like, do you think I scrolled back to 2010 to find that video?

[Mal]

Like, I don't know anything before I started dating. You don't count. Like, if my girl go through my phone, anything that is before we started dating, you can't get mad at none of that.

[Rory]

I don't think you're going through phones. But let's say in a hypothetical world that you do and you stumble upon something before y'all dated, it's still gonna affect you.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

What have you talked about?

[Mal]

It depends on what it is back.

[Julian]

Blown out the month before you guys started dating.

[Mal]

It depends on what it is though. Like if. If I see that she is texting a guy that I had asked about, she told me that they never around. Then that's different. Because then that's like, okay, I asked you if you and homie ever around, you said y'all didn't. You clearly lying. That's. That's different. But if it's just from ex boyfriends and guys she flirted with online and I don't care about that.

[Rory]

But you're cool with that still being like in her phone?

[Mal]

Yeah, as long as there's nothing like recent.

[Rory]

But like to the thought she may go back to those videos to watch them of like, damn, he really blew my back out in 2014.

[Mal]

Whether she can go back to the video or not. The blew it back up. Yeah, it happens what I'm doing, man. Yeah, like, I can't do nothing about that, man. It is what it is.

[Rory]

Memories don't live like people do.

[Mal]

They always remember. You always remember.

[Rory]

Icloud will always remember you, whether things are good or bad. It's just the Steve Jobs that we had. Do we have one more voicemail?

[Julian]

Yeah, this second one actually pairs pretty well with the first one we listened to.

[Mal]

So it's Damien from Australia here and I've just got a serious question. But yeah, so my mate, I've found out he's only 18. I've just found out that he's told me in fear of anger with his brother that, you know, otherwise he probably wouldn't have told me that he's. He's got cancer and that he only has nine months to live.

[Rory]

Jesus Christ.

[Damaris]

And he doesn't want to spend any.

[Mal]

Of it on treatment. He just doesn't want to be even more sick and go through that. But the most up part is. And they're all brothers and I'm. My best mate is his older brother and, you know, he doesn't want to tell him, but I feel that because he's 18, I'm not sure I feel. And it's my best mate.

[Rory]

How can I not tell my best.

[Mal]

Mate that his brother's dying?

[Julian]

But, yeah, anyways, thanks for that.

[Rory]

Well, prayers to your friend and to you and to his family. That's tough to deal with. 18 years old, I could never imagine. It's not your place to tell, unfortunately. Maybe I'm in the minority here, but if somebody's request is. They don't.

[Mal]

So his best friend's little brother is dying.

[Rory]

And he knows that his best friend's little brother has cancer and has not told his older brother, but his older brother is his best friend. So he's sitting here with his best friend.

[Mal]

That's weird.

[Rory]

Like, damn it.

[Mal]

Well, some people, like, I'm not. I wouldn't tell my best friend I have terminal cancer before telling my brother.

[Rory]

It may be easier to tell someone that's not as close than to the closest people to you.

[Mal]

Yeah, but why? I mean, you know, great. Hopefully, you know, I'll never be in that position to have to tell anybody that. But I just feel like your brother, your sister, like, I feel like they should know that their sibling only has. Because I always look at it like, okay, for some reason, I don't know how they would find out, but say they found out passes away. They found out that I knew this whole time that this person was terminally ill. I could see a world where they grow resentment towards me for knowing that and not telling them that their fucking brother had terminally was terminally ill and didn't want them to know, but told me I knew. I could see where the siblings, like, cut me off and don't. The family doesn't talk to me anymore. Behind that, I would also. And I'm here. I'm still here, like, in this life, having to move on, live on. You're not here anymore. So now we're not friends anymore. Me and the family are not cool anymore.

[Rory]

To me, that's a little selfish, though. I would respect that he respected my little brother's wishes of what he wanted towards the end of his life. I'm not 18 with terminal cancer. That's selfish as they're like, why didn't you tell me so I could make it a part of me? Like, if that's. If he didn't want a part of.

[Mal]

You, but your siblings should know that they only have but so much more time with their brother.

[Rory]

I think anybody.

[Mal]

I think that's selfish of me to hold that in and be like, yo, he ain't want me to tell y'all. But, like, that's your brother.

[Damaris]

But how is it selfish to you? How does that serve you? Selfish would be. It serves you. How does that serve you?

[Rory]

You?

[Mal]

How does what serve me?

[Damaris]

How does you keeping that secret serve you? How would it make it that I'm trying to figure out why you would think that it would be selfish. How does it. How is that?

[Mal]

I think it's selfish if I don't tell your siblings that they only have 60 days left.

[Damaris]

With their brother or s. What makes it selfish? Because selfish means that it's self serving, like what's best for me.

[Mal]

You. You had this. I knew that the clock was on with the time that you had with your sibling. I knew that. So if you tell me, If Rory tells me, yeah, I only have so and so. And he has a brother, and his brother's like, yo, I'm gonna go to fucking. I'm gonna go to Europe for three months for this job. I ain't really want to take it, but I'm gonna go to Europe, I'm gonna come back after three months, and I know Rory only has 60 days left.

[Rory]

Well, you're adding in different factors. I think at that point, maybe I'm adding in the little brother. The little brother may be like, all right, before you do that, I got three months. But if I know, maybe my family's not gonna react, act the best way to it, and it would destroy them. And I'd like to live the last few weeks of my life in peace. Yeah, I'd rather them find out when I die.

[Mal]

I just think it's weird to tell me and not tell your siblings. Like, why are you.

[Damaris]

Well, because. Okay, so what you guys are. Are missing is that the reason why he's not telling his siblings is because he doesn't want treatment. For example, Mal, if you went and told your twin right now that you had cancer and that you didn't want to fight it, you didn't want to go to the hospital you want, how do you think she will react to you not wanting to fight cancer? There would become an argument with your mom, with everybody, like, oh, no, you're going to fight this. You're not going to give up.

[Mal]

True.

[Damaris]

That now becomes the story. It's not, yo, this is what I want to do. They're not going to let you live in peace with that.

[Mal]

All right, so can. All right, so you know who else ain't going to live in peace? Me. Once it comes to find out that I knew that you were terminally ill and I didn't tell your brothers and your sisters, and now for the rest of our lives, they're looking at me like, damn, you knew we could have got him treatment. Now all of that falls on me now.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but they're not really mad. They're not really mad at you.

[Mal]

They're not really mad at me because they're really mad at.

[Damaris]

What they're really mad at is the fact that their brother is gone. And whether that anger is directed he's gone.

[Mal]

You knew. We may have. Probably could have gotten some treatment. May have been able to fight this. May have been.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Not on the side of I knew the person, but I've been in situations where the per. The deceased told somebody that they were sick or whatever. The family didn't. I've been in that situation, and I've seen how it turned on the person that knew. I've seen it.

[Damaris]

Yes. But what I'm saying is the. The person that knows is in a very precarious situation. Because I would. I would never want to be in that situation. You see what I'm saying? Because.

[Mal]

Don't tell me.

[Damaris]

That's what I'm saying.

[Mal]

You ain't telling your siblings.

[Damaris]

Don't tell me.

[Mal]

Don't confide that in me either. Cause, like, I don't want to be. Cause it's gonna be hard for me to sit here and look at your sisters or your brothers and know that y'all don't even know how much time y'all have. Like, too much left with your brother. It's hard for me to sit. Like, I. That's crazy.

[Damaris]

But this is the thing. Even if. So, I can understand wanting to tell them if they had a fucked up. Like, if they had a fucked up relationship. Like, for example, me and my sisters are extremely, extremely, extremely close. So the only thing that would change if they knew I had cancer compared to if they didn't know that I had cancer would be them spending their entire. Like, spending everything making shit weird and, like, making shit emotional. And I would want to chill with them and not have to watch them cry, not watch that, have to watch them grieve. Like, they'll be spending all the next two weeks or the next two months grieving instead of actually spending time with me, instead of fucking laughing about stupid shit like, you see what I'm saying? I wouldn't get to spend the rest of my life the way that I would want to spend the rest of my life. I would become the sick person.

[Rory]

Yeah. Now that everyone's, like, tiptoeing around.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

And it's just not on the last.

[Rory]

My last weeks to be that way.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

I want you to treat me how you usually treat me. I want you to be mean to me and kick me out your bedroom. Like, that's what I want.

[Rory]

Like, even if you tell your family that, and they try, it still is never the same.

[Mal]

Like, I just think you got to tell your family, man.

[Damaris]

And what's what he called. It's too late for that. Now, so what he's calling for is advice. How do I handle this as him what's. You know what I'm saying? Like, how do I handle this, bro?

[Mal]

I'm gonna be honest, man. It's tough, but you gotta talk to your friend. That's sick. And try to find a way. Like, bro, you gotta. Like, it's. This is gonna crush your siblings.

[Damaris]

It's gonna crush him regardless.

[Mal]

Yeah, but if they didn't know. Yeah, that. That's.

[Julian]

But we're also asking that him and his siblings are close.

[Rory]

If he's talking to his older brother's best friend, I'm sure they have. Yeah, they have somewhat of a relationship, and maybe that's a great way for the two of them to game plan how he can help. Tell the rest of the family, like, he's his older brother's best friend. Let me try to help you. Tell your older brother. That's my best friend.

[Mal]

Tell him, man.

[Rory]

I'm not saying you don't, but you have to. He can't go and snitch. That's not his place to.

[Julian]

Yeah, he shouldn't snitch.

[Mal]

All right, well, let me put this out here. If any of you niggas know that any of my siblings is sick and they dying in two months, y'all better fucking tell me straight up. I don't. Nah, I'm not playing that, yo. Nah, they didn't want you to. Fuck that. Tell me. I wanna know if one of my siblings is dying. Like, nah, of course you wanna know.

[Damaris]

But that's why we say that you're being selfish. Cause you're making it about you. It ain't about you. It's about what your sibling.

[Mal]

No, I'm not making anything.

[Damaris]

You are, though.

[Julian]

You are.

[Mal]

No, I'm not. It's not about me. I'm just saying, like, I love my sibling enough that if these are my sibling's last days, I want to know so that we can make he or she as comfortable, have as much fun, do as, like, spend as much time. Like, I want to know. Like, don't play that, yo. They didn't want you to know game with me. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. If you know that, tell me. I'm not gonna be mad at my sibling for not wanna tell me. But if you my friend and you know that, yo, tell me, because, like I said, said, I want to be able to make sure that me and my siblings spend as much. However little time they have left, spend as much of it together as we possibly Can. It's not about me. It's not making it about me. It's. That's my brother or my sister. Like, they're dying. I want to make sure that I'm there. Like, I'm present. I'm. Spend as much time with them as possible.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but if they wanted you to be there, they would make that happen. If they wanted you to be there, they would make that happen. I can't. I can't force that.

[Mal]

Nah, me and my friends, we squaring up. If you knew that and you didn't tell me, we gotta catch a fade. I'd be like, aurora, let's step outside for a minute.

[Damaris]

That's fine.

[Mal]

Gotta fight. Still love you. We still gonna be cool after, but we gotta square up. There's no way you let my sibling die and you knew and didn't tell me. That doesn't even sound. Does that even sound right? That don't even sound right. Yo, I knew your sibling was dying, but, yo, they didn't want me to tell you, so I ain't tell you. You.

[Rory]

Still not your place.

[Mal]

That. But does it. Doesn't something sound off with that, though?

[Rory]

No, I just think he's ready to tell his family, so. Went to the closest person.

[Mal]

Even if I knew that you and your. Even if I knew you and your sister was beefing to me. I'm talking about heavy beefing. Y'all don't. With each other. Well, the.

[Damaris]

The beefing is when I think that you should tell. That's when I think that you should tell. But I mean.

[Mal]

But when it's all love, you shouldn't tell me.

[Damaris]

I'm not.

[Rory]

I would feel weird if I was told that because I wouldn't even know how to approach the person that didn't want me to know that they had cancer.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Because then it's like, what. I'm gonna go to my little brother, like, yo, why the you ain't tell me you had cancer?

[Julian]

And when you.

[Rory]

Like, that's even weirder now.

[Julian]

You don't even say it. And then when you're hanging with them, the only thing you're thinking about is that, well, let's.

[Damaris]

Okay, so you have siblings. Rory doesn't. If you were to have a sibling, it's not even like, yo, why the you ain't tell me you had cancer? It's like an immediate break. That's an immediate breakdown. There is no.

[Mal]

Oh.

[Damaris]

While we're just chill there, you will not be able to pretend that you don't know that information. Unless you're like, extremely emotionally, like, balanced, you will not be able to pretend that you don't know that information. Your whole world will change once you know that information, which is the point of the person not wanting them to know.

[Mal]

So, I mean, I had a relative die. I had a relative pass away. And she was sick. She had a disease. And I still don't understand why she didn't want me to know that though.

[Rory]

Cause some people just don't want people to see them in that.

[Mal]

But me, like, me and her was like this again.

[Damaris]

You're making this about you.

[Mal]

Yeah, no, but I'm saying, why wouldn't you? Like, I just don't understand. In my mind, it's like, so everybody else knew except me.

[Damaris]

Oh, I didn't know that. She told everybody else except me.

[Rory]

Yeah. Maybe it's cause you guys were so close, you didn't want to hinder what you.

[Damaris]

Actually, I wouldn't know how to tell. It doesn't make sense to me that I have cancer. I wouldn't know how to.

[Rory]

I don't know what it's like to get that news and realize that life is going to move on without you. If you really love someone and care for them, maybe you don't want to. Up the rest of their few months, like, it'll just be cut. I'll die, and then they can move on with their life.

[Mal]

Either way, I'm gonna be up.

[Rory]

Yeah, but it's different when you drag out three months of visiting in the hospital.

[Mal]

Like, yeah, but that's not. That's time that I'm gonna remember those memories, like, forever. Like, I'm gonna hold on to those last days. Days. But not giving me an opportunity to have those last days with you. To me, that's worse.

[Rory]

Their last days, not yours.

[Mal]

No, those last days with you. I'm saying.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's still theirs, though.

[Julian]

Yeah, but it's their time.

[Mal]

Yeah, but it's our time to, like, we spend time together, though, in those last days. Like, that's what you're supposed to be there for family if they're on their deathbed.

[Damaris]

Like, okay, maybe she ain't want you there. I mean, that came out rough and.

[Mal]

We was as close as we were. That's. That doesn't make sense to me. That does not make sense to me. I'm sorry.

[Damaris]

Well, everybody has their. Their own reasons. Reasons for things. Mall. You also expecting people who are dying to be making logical sense?

[Mal]

No, that's you.

[Rory]

Or are they making the most logical sense?

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And we're the ones, but they're probably.

[Damaris]

They're probably coming from a place of emotion. I. I'm assuming that's a very emotional time. God, thank God I've never been in that position, but I'm assuming it's a very emotional time. You're not thinking straight. Also, you have a million 18 people on your life. I don't even know what friend I would call first if I had cancer. I wouldn't even know how to. Like, it's too much. That's a lot on your plate and to try to be. Have to comfort everybody and make sure that everybody is okay with you leaving and everybody wants to spend time with you and. Nah, I would probably just, like, shut down and just be like, I really don't want to see nobody. I don't want to, like, yeah, where's.

[Rory]

Where's Loyon at? So I can get my affairs in order, and there. I'll figure it out.

[Damaris]

Right.

[Rory]

Like, Because I know my mom's nagging ass would be like, all right, well, you need to sign this. You need to do this. When you die, someone's gonna have to.

[Damaris]

But that's. But she. You talk about nagging. That's important.

[Rory]

No, of course it is. That's why I'd rather just deal with that with Loyon and let my family chill. Have that in order before they even know. Yeah, I can tell. I don't have siblings, but I can tell the story because it does have a good ending. My line brother, who's the president of my line, he was one of those that, like, always wanted us to always be together and do, like, dinner outings and. And, you know, sometimes that person can get annoying. Like, guys, when we all gonna get together and do dinner and, like, hang out.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And he was extra annoying in our group chat for, like, a week. And, you know, like, shady, but good friendship. Sometimes you get somebody inside like, yo, yo, why are you always trying to get us together, man? Like, I got to do.

[Julian]

Why Being so gay lately.

[Rory]

Yes, exactly. I didn't want to put it dying. So he's like, yo, can you guys all come to the house? Like, I want to do, like, a whole line dinner. Like, we don't hang out enough. And we're like, all right, man. So we all went together in one car, and this was the time when I smoked Hot box the car and was like, yo, why is Phil always doing this, man? Like, always down on necks and not hanging out. Someone's got to do. And then we started joking, like, what if Phil Got like cancer or some. And we just start dying, laughing. Walk into his house all red eyed, and to a movie scene of his whole family sitting on the couch. Phil has cancer. We was like, wait, that's how he was like, what?

[Mal]

See, I would be laughing if I'm hot.

[Rory]

We made eye contact with each other.

[Mal]

Like, oh, but now y'all.

[Damaris]

But y'all making fun of the girl that asked, yo.

[Mal]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's different.

[Rory]

Phil is alive. He beat cancer. That's why I can tell the story. No, Phil smoke beat the out of he. He's. He works at Google. He's doing great. That's why he would love to hear the story.

[Mal]

You could understand how I'm letting y'all know I'm laughing if I'm high and I walk into a house.

[Rory]

No, no, no, not just that. A first generation Haitian household. First generation Haitian.

[Mal]

Oh, no, I'm laughing. I'll be outside.

[Julian]

How they say it, right?

[Mal]

I'm gonna go outside. I'm gonna chill outside.

[Rory]

I can't speak French.

[Julian]

Do the accent.

[Mal]

Cause I'm gonna be dying laughing like, yo, cut it out, man, with this bullshit. Like, what are you talking about? Talking about.

[Rory]

And his. His mother, who I love is dramatic when cancer isn't involved.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

Ran and hugged me. I was like, I. I'm high, I'm high.

[Damaris]

That's just a lot.

[Mal]

That's what I'm saying. I'm laughing. I just. Because now it's just like, yo, what do we. Is this even real? I. I hit the blunt and I walked into this. It's like, what was in that blunt, fam? Like, seriously, what y'all doing to me right now?

[Rory]

You met his sister Julian at the Larry June Show Posse. Yeah, that was hanging with us.

[Mal]

You remember?

[Rory]

Yeah, he does, actually.

[Mal]

That was actually.

[Julian]

That was a good show, Larry. Yeah, it's a great show.

[Rory]

But yeah, sometimes when your friends want you to, like, all get together, it could be because they have cancer and you shouldn't clown them in the car on the way there and jokingly say, yo, why is he acting like he got cancer?

[Damaris]

Yeah, but see, that's.

[Rory]

How many has cancer.

[Damaris]

I feel that way too.

[Julian]

Dudes be getting cancer.

[Damaris]

I feel that way about. About just like death in general, period. I think people who take their friends and family for granted, I look at them like, oh, wow, you were blessed not to have, like, went to enough funerals. I've been to enough funerals that, like, I'm. If my friends are really, really Trying to hang with me. Like, I'm gonna make it work. I'm gonna make it shake. I don't give a About work. I don't give a. About none of that. Because at the end of the day, like, I've buried enough people to know that time is, like, you don't have. You never have enough time. And people die like that. Like, literally in a blink for hours. So people who are like, oh, I got to do my. Want to hang with me. Like, that's a. That's a blessing that should not be taken for granted at all.

[Rory]

I'm funeral poppy. If I were to be, like, a video game character, my 99 stat would be Paul Bear. I'm nice at that. Like, if you need to hire me, I know the steps. I know everything.

[Julian]

Death dark, like.

[Rory]

Yeah, because I'm killing these people. What the. I love this. No, I don't enjoy it.

[Mal]

Might be. Oh, man.

[Rory]

I can do the shoulder technique if you need me to do that.

[Mal]

What's the shoulder technique for the paw bearer?

[Rory]

I could carry a casket out on my shoulder. I've done that.

[Damaris]

You on the front or, like, you in the middle?

[Rory]

It depends the height of everyone else.

[Julian]

I haven't done one yet.

[Rory]

It's fun to carry it.

[Mal]

You sound like you upset about that.

[Julian]

No, I mean, I think. Well, the only. I was too young for my grandfather. I'm trying.

[Damaris]

I mean, that's the only person, you know, that.

[Mal]

That. No.

[Julian]

I've had kid friends get shot. Kid. I lost some friends.

[Mal]

They wanted me to be a pallbearer for my brother's. You know, I couldn't do it, though.

[Julian]

I haven't done that.

[Damaris]

You shouldn't have to. You were young. You were very young.

[Mal]

That was not. I was like. That was 22.

[Rory]

I was 15 for my cousins, and they were, like, to be a pallbearer. And also, you guys know now I can't read out loud at 15. I had to read, like, a. A passage out the Bible at my cousin's funeral and then be the pallbearer at 15.

[Mal]

No, that's crazy.

[Rory]

I was like, what the. What?

[Damaris]

I did a poem for my cousin's funeral. I had to be around 11, and he had to be around 7.

[Mal]

Oh, nah. Yeah, I couldn't do that.

[Damaris]

Yeah. I don't know how.

[Mal]

Not for a young sibling. Like, a young relative like that. Nah, I can't do that.

[Rory]

Yeah, one of. So this, like, would have been a sketch if it wasn't, like, sort of sad in the moment. One of My uncles that passed while we were doing this pod. I know it's been a bunch of them. I was the Paul bearer and like he was a track coach at a high school that he be taught in Brooklyn. And I didn't know any of like the kids that were on his team that were also the pallbearers. So we were like in the basement of the church right before the service ended. Like they gave us our cue to go downstairs. So we're just like, you know, it's five guys that are best friends their whole life and then it's just me. And I'm like, so where are you guys from?

[Damaris]

They're probably mad tall.

[Rory]

So like, how'd you know my uncle.

[Damaris]

They were like tall, dark and handsome. Them?

[Rory]

No, they were. Ran track in high school like 20 years ago. They were older. Where I guess were like his team. I guess they like went to the state championship.

[Mal]

Whatever.

[Rory]

They stayed close.

[Mal]

They wore their lettermans.

[Rory]

No, they. They should have though.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I felt I was better dressed than the rest of them, but, you know, just sitting in a church basement like. And you're the only person out of the group like that doesn't know each other and they're all like reminiscent. And I'm like, yeah, he married my mom's sister.

[Damaris]

Why did you throw like, why you threw shade on like a funeral fit, like.

[Rory]

Because it was trash.

[Mal]

There you have it.

[Rory]

I had nothing else to do.

[Mal]

Yeah, sometimes it's just that simple. Damaris Fitz was trash or he was.

[Damaris]

Looking him up and down like.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Matter of fact, you guys go in the front to scuff those bum ass shoes.

[Mal]

That's crazy.

[Rory]

Put me in the back so I could see.

[Mal]

Look what he thinking about.

[Rory]

What am I. What are you supposed to do at funerals?

[Mal]

Cry.

[Julian]

Cry and eat.

[Mal]

Laugh. Eat.

[Damaris]

Talk about people.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Oh, don't let. When they sing it, his eyes on the sparrow, they your voice crack and she can't sing. Oh my God.

[Julian]

Do you guys want to be buried or cremated?

[Damaris]

Cremated.

[Julian]

I'm leaning towards cremation.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I'm not about to be a. Why a rotten bones. I'm good.

[Julian]

Well, being buried isn't. It's not to be like the. The pussy environmentally conscious side of things, but it just. It doesn't make. It's just. It doesn't make sense environmentally or.

[Rory]

It makes the most sense.

[Julian]

It doesn't.

[Rory]

We're put here to decompose into the.

[Julian]

Earth, but like it's.

[Rory]

It actually makes the most environmentally sense on earth.

[Mal]

Cremation.

[Rory]

What were we supposed to do.

[Julian]

Cremation is literally. You can burn someone and scatter their ashes all over.

[Rory]

Yeah, I think that's cool to place if you want to be placed. Placed in certain areas. But also, you're dead.

[Julian]

Yeah, but you have a choice.

[Rory]

Throw me in. In the Indian Ocean and, like, then what.

[Julian]

Yeah, that's better off than you think.

[Rory]

You'Re gonna be there.

[Julian]

Where. What do you mean?

[Rory]

In the Indian Ocean?

[Julian]

I don't want it.

[Damaris]

No, but you still have your. You still have the. You should still care about the dignity of your body, like. Yeah, I care about my body. My body is a part of me.

[Mal]

That's why I don't know about burning my flesh up like that. Like, I know this is just a shell, but just like, burning this and then it's like. Like this is going to break down anyway and disappear. But yeah, so it's. You'd want it buried, I think burying. Because you can. You have something that relatives and friends can always go to.

[Damaris]

They can't see my ashes if you. I'm in. I have my dog's ashes and my.

[Mal]

Grandma'S right next to each other.

[Damaris]

No, no, but my grandmothers are in my. My mother's car, so they're. It's kind of like a protection when I drive.

[Mal]

Your mother has ashes in the car? Yeah, it's, like sitting there.

[Damaris]

They're in the glove compartment, like, and.

[Rory]

People put them on the neck.

[Mal]

I'm talking about just having to earn, like.

[Damaris]

No, it's not the urn it's in. It's in a velvet.

[Julian]

Just.

[Rory]

Just going back and forth, like an easy pass on the dashboard.

[Julian]

You guys, like, jumbo cup. Cup holder extended.

[Mal]

Yeah. Like, where you got the urge sitting at?

[Damaris]

It's in a velvet bag, like a.

[Rory]

Dutch rapper just going side to side.

[Mal]

So y'all put grandma in a Crown Royal, like, bag out of Crown Royal bag.

[Damaris]

It seems very.

[Rory]

Some people do do that in Houston.

[Mal]

By the way, Grandma cursing all of y'all out. Put Grandma in the living room, man. On. On the. On the back balcony somewhere. I don't know.

[Rory]

To Julian's point, if a casket is not a natural way. If you just bury an actual body. That is a natural way. I'm fine with being cremated. I don't know if I even want a gravesite. I was joking about throwing in my casket. I don't even know if I want a grave site now.

[Mal]

Put me in a mausoleum. That's what it's called.

[Julian]

The ones with the wall.

[Damaris]

Yeah. With the rest of your Family, like, oh, y'all can have a Rockefeller mausoleum.

[Mal]

That'd be so the rock a. Liam, nobody's having a Rockefeller.

[Rory]

If you guys have one, do you have a plus one?

[Julian]

Rory, look at Roy run from his family.

[Mal]

Nobody has a Rockefeller mausoleum. Right?

[Damaris]

That'd be so funny.

[Julian]

You said, put mine adjacent to Jay's. Like, you want to be, like, touching it.

[Mal]

You never heard me say that ever in my life.

[Julian]

You said, give me the left corner.

[Mal]

I never said that.

[Julian]

All right?

[Mal]

I said I would want to be.

[Damaris]

You want to be Top bunk.

[Mal]

Put me in that. Put me there.

[Rory]

Do you guys remember when I went up to Albany for my. The uncle I was just talking about's funeral?

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So a lot of my mom's family is buried up there. Even my cousin I was talking about that didn't even grow up there, is buried there. Her side of the family. For some fucking reason. They started upstate, and everyone just, like, ships the bodies to this one gravesite.

[Damaris]

Well. So that everybody can be together.

[Rory]

Yes. And my mom, on some morbid with her sister was, like, figuring out where they were gonna go. I looked at my mom, I said, I'm not being buried here. I've only been to this town for funerals. I don't. This is not where I'm being buried. Buried.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I can feel it's like, what the.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Half the people buried from our family have no relation to this. This area. Y'all just got a good deal 50 years ago.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

On a plot.

[Julian]

See, that's the other thing that maybe muddies it for me. The. The tradition of the casket and all that.

[Rory]

Your family's in Albany. I can sell it to y'all. We're gonna flip it.

[Mal]

We're good. Yeah.

[Julian]

I don't wanna.

[Mal]

We got some space already, like, designated.

[Damaris]

Buried on the Lower east side. He's not gonna let them bury him in Albany.

[Rory]

I don't really want to be buried. I want to take up valuable space for the next.

[Julian]

It's such a money grab, too. I mean, caskets are insanely expensive. It's just such a. It's such a gross industry, and. And you're preying on the vulnerability and emotions of obviously, the most vulnerable people. They lost a loved one.

[Mal]

She.

[Julian]

I just. I never. Being in a funeral home never felt right to me. It's the way in which you look at, like. I don't. I mean, it's the opposite of a wedding venue, but it's like, they turn these things out. This isn't new to them. This is just Another. This is your two hour window. Next one's coming in. Like it's just. It's so. No commodify.

[Damaris]

But it has to be done though. Like I get what you're saying and like yes, people are benefiting from somebody else's pain, but it has to be done. You not gonna go dress up no dead body.

[Mal]

But it can be.

[Damaris]

Put makeup on.

[Julian]

It can be done better. I think cremation's a cheaper alternative as well.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but you still have to get the body ready for the funeral.

[Julian]

A lot of people have open casket burn my.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I don't. I don't want to open casket either.

[Julian]

Nobody get a QR code. There's my Instagram. You know what I look like.

[Rory]

I'm with Julian on that.

[Mal]

I've.

[Rory]

I've been vocal about the same strategy he's talking about.

[Damaris]

Like yeah, I'm good.

[Rory]

Don't even. Don't even spend my money on a casket.

[Julian]

My grandfather passed when he was 96. I was 11 when he passed and I saw they did the open casket, the embalm and he was all dressed up. That still scars me. I don't. He looked great, but it's still weird. I didn't need that moment. Like it was weird to see him like that.

[Rory]

And I still stick by my conspiracy theory that these really old graveyards are going to start digging up and selling to put apartment building. There's no way that they're allowing this amount of land in New York City and New Jersey to be spent on graves from the 1800s.

[Julian]

Th percent.

[Mal]

Yeah, there was a. It was when we used to go to your house to record that cemetery that get off the highway. It was like traffic one day.

[Rory]

That tiny ass one.

[Mal]

It's a bunch of traffic. So it's like you kind of at a standstill. So I'm looking out the window at the grave and the Tombstone said like 18 something to 1906. I'm like, yo, that's been there since 1906.

[Rory]

And I guarantee you nobody from the person's family that one you're talking about is on 1 in 9. This isn't docs me because it is away from my house. There's a storage unit on 1 in 9 which is 1 of the biggest trucking areas in the tri state area. They have a tiny pocket next to a storage unit of graves from the 1800s.

[Mal]

It's crazy.

[Rory]

And I'm with like the historical society protecting stuff. I do think that is important. I don't want to just commercialize Everything but dog, that's not going to last very long, bro.

[Julian]

There's no. The lineages. The families of those people, if they are alive, probably don't live there like that. Those are. Those things are so far removed. I guarantee you at some point they're going to try to level that land and be like. Like, let's put a little condo here.

[Rory]

And fuck the moral high ground. We're in Manhattan right now standing on a gravesite.

[Julian]

Yeah, this whole country's a graveserv.

[Mal]

That is true.

[Rory]

This was a Native American gravesite, Lower Manhattan, that we're standing on right now. We didn't give a fuck. And I don't think they're going to eventually give a fuck about our ancestors. And I feel them. I don't go to any of my family's graves. It's just not my thing.

[Mal]

We went to a church when I went to Holland years ago. It was in Amsterdam. It was a church. The entire floor was made of like tombstones, like grave sites.

[Damaris]

Oh, that's creepy.

[Mal]

The entire floor. Like it. You walk, you just see like the names, the date that they were born, day they died, and I'm just like the floor crazy. I mean, it was a beautiful church. Beautiful. But it was just like walking on that just felt a little. A little creepy. I was like, I don't know how they came up with this idea, but okay, who am I to up tradition.

[Julian]

That's it.

[Rory]

It's a fire floor.

[Mal]

I think that's it. Is that in Amsterdam?

[Julian]

The entire floor of this church is that.

[Rory]

Looks like they would do the vultures too.

[Mal]

That's it.

[Rory]

Listening party.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Looks like it would be there.

[Mal]

Yep, that's it. What's the name of that church?

[Julian]

Jesus. Well, let me zoom out. Let's see.

[Rory]

You've been to Holland. I never knew that.

[Julian]

Yeah, well, it's. Oh, Ode Kirk.

[Mal]

That sounds like it could be in Amsterdam.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So instead of a hooker, you went there?

[Mal]

Yes, I was in high school. Wasn't thinking about hookers.

[Rory]

Be the main time I would.

[Julian]

That's beautiful. I love.

[Mal]

No, the church was. It was. It was a beautiful church, but it was just like once they told us that I'm just looking down, like I'm scared to step anywhere. Like my country.

[Rory]

This is disrespectful stuff like this with architecture and meaning. Even if it does have a bad history, I think it's important to maintain and keep. I just don't know. Graveyards of that.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like walking through England. Even though it's a awful History. It was really cool to look at buildings that have been there since the 1600s. Like, that they maintain. I think that is important for life. But a bunch of graveyards for a bunch of people that are only important to one person on Earth. Yeah. Level it and do something positive with it.

[Mal]

Well, they have that thing now.

[Rory]

Make it a park.

[Mal]

I'm not gonna also make you a tree.

[Julian]

I like that, too. I've seen that.

[Mal]

Right.

[Julian]

But even with that, what do they do with the body?

[Mal]

No, you're underneath, like the root.

[Damaris]

You're cream.

[Mal]

Like, you're.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah. You could do it two ways.

[Mal]

It's like you. Your body, basically, it decomposes eventually. Yeah, you're in the dirt. Just not in the casket, you're not. You know?

[Damaris]

Or they could take care.

[Rory]

Right.

[Damaris]

Your ashes and do that too.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

If Julian chose that route 80 years from now, when he passes away and he becomes a tree, and then they cut the tree and they make it paper, and then they print Eminem lyrics on it.

[Mal]

That's remembering Julian. That's how you'll be remembered.

[Rory]

That would make me as the paper.

[Mal]

That they press Eminem lyrics on.

[Julian]

That would be a sick, twisted car like. Like on this coffee hot coffee hot on this.

[Rory]

In a museum was printed on the paper of Julian.

[Mal]

That's almost as. As just, you know, full circle as Dame selling Rockefeller to Nas. The same shit. Right. All comes full circle.

[Julian]

That would piss me.

[Mal]

March 23rd, Howard Theater. Get your tickets now. Newroarimal.com we'll be back in a couple days to kick it with y'all. Have a blessed week. I'm that nigga, he's just ginger. Bury me a G, no worry and now.