Episode 251 | Prose & Consequences

Summary

Summary of "New Rory & MAL" Podcast Episode 251 | "Prose & Consequences"

Podcast Information:

• Title: New Rory & MAL
• Host/Authors: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume
• Description: New stories, new laughs, new random hot takes that no one asked for... New Rory & Mal
• Episode: Episode 251 | Prose & Consequences
• Release Date: March 15, 2024

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Introduction and Upcoming Event Promotion

[00:00] Rory: The episode kicks off with Rory and Mal discussing their upcoming live event at the Howard Theater in Washington D.C. on March 23rd. They humorously highlight their performances, including Mal's magician tricks and one-man band setup.

[00:25] Mal: "Yep. I'm like a one-man band."

[00:27] Rory: "You're gonna bring a keyboard and an acoustic guitar?"

They promote the event with enthusiasm, encouraging listeners to purchase tickets via their website and emphasizing the absence of metal detectors to create a relaxed atmosphere.

[00:30] Rory: "Howard Theater, March 23rd. Tickets available now at newroarialmore.com. See you there."

Internal Struggles: Racism and Stress

The conversation transitions to more serious topics, delving into the internal battles with racist thoughts and the stress associated with combating them.

[02:13] Mal: "Like the voices in your head are racist."

[02:16] Rory: "Yeah, but like I'm a social justice warrior, so I always combat them."

Rory explains his dedication to suppressing racist thoughts, emphasizing that everyone grapples with such internal conflicts but the key difference lies in how one addresses them.

[02:43] Rory: "I feel like every single human being has thoughts in their head that sound racist, but they know they're racist, so they ignore them and move on."

They discuss the pervasive nature of these thoughts and the importance of not acting upon them, highlighting personal responsibility in maintaining ethical standards.

Violent Thoughts and Mental Health

Rory opens up about experiencing violent thoughts, clarifying that while these thoughts are present, he does not act on them, differentiating himself from potential societal threats.

[04:50] Mal: "You haven't acted out a murder yet?"

[05:00] Rory: "Well, I'm not saying, like, a reactive defense, the murder type thing. I'm saying, like, I've plotted a few murders in my head."

This segment underscores the significance of mental health awareness and the distinction between thoughts and actions.

Discord Poetry Slam and Listener Engagement

Shifting gears, Rory and Mal recount their recent Discord event, a poetry slam where listeners shared their creative works. The interaction highlights the community's enthusiasm and the dynamic between the hosts and participants.

[07:20] Mal: "No, I didn't. Poetry slam."

[07:22] Julian: "You were in a Discord chat, snapping."

They discuss the performances, particularly praising Damaris's poem, and joke about the differences between traditional poetry and rap.

[08:14] Damaris: "Sure did."

The segment emphasizes the podcast's commitment to fostering a creative and supportive listener community.

Beef with Consequence: Clarifications and Apologies

A substantial portion of the episode addresses a previous altercation with rapper Consequence. Rory provides a detailed account to clarify misunderstandings and correct misinformation that aired on the No Jumper podcast.

[31:00] Rory: "If Don C told you that he kicked me out, you should go have a conversation with Don C."

Mal supports Rory, expressing regret over past comments and emphasizing the importance of accurate representation.

[34:15] Mal: "I apologize for saying that, because that was corny. I shouldn't have done that."

Rory elaborates on the incident, explaining that Consequence's portrayal was exaggerated to make Rory seem less confrontational, leading to unwarranted backlash.

[35:01] Rory: "You can see what's going on in the entire thing or on IG live that Gil and Nick was doing to understand what the whole premise of the conversation was."

The hosts collectively express frustration over the situation, highlighting the challenges of navigating public perceptions and personal disputes.

NDAs, Jules, and Yeezy Projects

The discussion shifts to professional matters involving Jules and her role within Kanye West's (Ye's) projects. The hosts delve into issues surrounding Non-Disclosure Agreements (NDAs) and alleged misconduct by Milo, an associate involved in the projects.

[50:39] Mal: "So she's. What is she in violation of if she never signed anything that she agreed on?"

They analyze an incident where Jules was reportedly terminated due to refusing to work with Milo, whom she disapproves of due to unethical behaviors.

[53:34] Mal: "She got bigger fish to fry right now. She got bigger fish to fry."

Rory and Mal defend Jules, praising her integrity and condemning Milo's actions, which are described as advocating for inappropriate and unethical behavior.

[53:34] Julian: "I think it's very unfortunate that she's being used as some scapegoat for someone in that Yeezy team fumbling the fan pages and making Jules look like the bad guy when she wasn't."

Their support underscores the podcast's stance on ethics and accountability within high-profile creative projects.

Voicemail: Complex Relationship Scenarios

In a listener voicemail segment, the hosts tackle intricate relationship issues involving infidelity, group chats, and emotional boundaries. An anonymous caller shares a story highlighting the complications of maintaining trust and integrity in relationships.

[80:50] Mal: "What are you asking me like?"

The hosts dissect the scenario, offering insights on handling betrayal and the importance of clear communication in managing relationship dynamics.

[85:00] Rory: "I'm trying to keep my eye."

They navigate through the nuances of the situation, emphasizing personal responsibility and the challenges of addressing such betrayals within a social circle.

Group Sex and Swinging: Ethical and Emotional Complexities

The conversation evolves into a debate on the ethics and emotional ramifications of swinging and group sex. The hosts explore societal perceptions, double standards, and personal boundaries in non-traditional relationship structures.

[104:30] Mal: "You can't. Like, you have to have the one that the girl's girlfriend..."

They discuss the importance of consent, mutual agreement, and the challenges of maintaining healthy boundaries, particularly when introducing additional partners into a relationship.

[108:08] Damaris: "But listen, these are things that are already happening outside of your worldview, and who you are around does not set the tone for the entire America."

The debate highlights varying perspectives on relationship norms and the balance between personal freedom and ethical considerations.

Conclusion and Closing Announcements

As the episode wraps up, Rory and Mal reiterate the details of their upcoming event, inviting listeners to join them for an engaging live experience.

[124:16] Mal: "March 23rd. We are in Howard Theater, Washington, D.C. We'll see y'all soon in D.C."

They encourage further engagement through Patreon, hinting at upcoming discussions and content for their dedicated audience.

[124:29] Mal: "Head over to Patreon, finish this conversation. We'll talk to y'all soon. Be safe, be blessed, have a great weekend."

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Notable Quotes with Speaker Attribution and Timestamps

• [02:22] Rory: "What I do, because I have, like, murderous thoughts often. But I think what makes me not a danger to society is that I don't act on them."

• [05:00] Rory: "I'm saying, like, I've plotted a few murders in my head."

• [08:14] Damaris: "Sure did."

• [31:00] Rory: "If Don C told you that he kicked me out, you should go have a conversation with Don C."

• [34:15] Mal: "I apologize for saying that, because that was corny. I shouldn't have done that."

• [53:34] Mal: "She got bigger fish to fry right now."

• [85:00] Rory: "I'm trying to keep my eye."

• [104:30] Mal: "You can't. Like, you have to have the one that the girl's girlfriend..."

• [124:29] Mal: "Head over to Patreon, finish this conversation. We'll talk to y'all soon. Be safe, be blessed, have a great weekend."

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This episode of "New Rory & MAL" weaves together personal introspection, community engagement, professional disputes, and intricate relationship dynamics, providing listeners with a multifaceted discussion that balances humor with serious considerations. The hosts' candid conversations and supportive interactions underscore the podcast's commitment to authenticity and listener connection.

Transcript

[Rory]

Washington D.C. maryland, Virginia, South Jersey, Philly, Delaware, North Carolina. Could drive up there, right?

[Mal]

Yeah, it depends.

[Rory]

West Virginia. Anyways, March 23rd, we are at the Howard Theater in Washington D.C. live Event Mall is. I mean, you have. You're doing magician tricks. I'm doing everything you talked about you were going to do. You're gonna bring a keyboard and an acoustic guitar?

[Mal]

Yep. I'm like a one man band.

[Rory]

You were gonna read some poetry. I'm excited.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Howard Theater, March 23rd. Tickets available now newroarialmore.com See you there. We definitely will see you there. No metal detectors. I always feel like that's a cool thing to like put into the promo.

[Mal]

Yeah, it's a grown up.

[Rory]

It'll be patted down, but you never know.

[Mal]

Like light pat.

[Rory]

Yeah, just put it in your sock. Yeah, you know. Anyways, get tickets now. No worry. Enough.

[Mal]

I really know how it feels to be stressed out. Stressed out?

[Rory]

We're gonna make work out eventually.

[Mal]

Yo, I ain't one to complain, but the Stains in the game. And what's your name? I'm calling the Quinta type. Burn Like Flames. American Dream. They got the ghetto kid and the.

[Damaris]

F. Don't stress that cuz it's not in your bloodstream.

[Rory]

Cons was trying to tell him how stressed out he was. And then Q Tip said, yo, what's your name?

[Julian]

Rory hates consequences. Rory hates that, man.

[Rory]

You can come in whenever you want. Oh, oh, no, I wasn't. No, we could just keep. We could just keep us laughing. Just trying to set a fun, happy mood. Unhappy mood, jokey, silly mood. At R. M. What's the N stand for?

[Mal]

R and M?

[Rory]

Yeah, R and M. What's. What's the N for?

[Mal]

Is that like the end of the R and M?

[Rory]

Same as what I thought the end was.

[Julian]

Yeah. Every. Every N in an acronym stands for that word in Rory's mind.

[Rory]

I just don't say it out loud, so.

[Mal]

But you think it.

[Julian]

You think it. No, you think it with the hard er.

[Rory]

Do the voices in your head have the same.

[Mal]

Like the voices in your head are racist.

[Rory]

I. Yeah, but like I'm a social justice warrior, so I always combat them.

[Mal]

You suppress.

[Rory]

Like that's, that's.

[Mal]

You suppress.

[Rory]

That's how dedicated to the cause I am. I battle with myself.

[Mal]

Yeah, but you suppress your like racist thoughts.

[Rory]

Yeah, I feel like everyone does that.

[Mal]

You know how we have like.

[Rory]

Don't we have everyone suppress their racist thoughts?

[Mal]

No, some people let them out.

[Rory]

No, I mean. No, I mean people that are people that Aren't outwardly racist.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, well, yeah.

[Rory]

I'm sorry. That sounded crazy.

[Mal]

Yeah. Yeah. Some people know. Some people let it out. Some people let it out with a bullhorn.

[Rory]

I feel like every single human being has thoughts in their head that sound racist, but they know they're racist, so they ignore them and move on.

[Mal]

That's why I told you the other day. I was like, yo, I know you say the N word when you rap in certain lyrics, when you by yourself.

[Rory]

Well, we've been to that. We're now going into the subconscious of everything.

[Mal]

Yeah, I understand that, but I'm just saying, like, it's so. I think that it's okay to just, like, have those thoughts as long as you don't push those thoughts and opinions onto people.

[Rory]

But, like, when I read things, it's not like there's an actual voice reading it back in my head. It's a subconscious thing because one time someone did tweet me back and, like, yo, so when you read, like, do you edit the N word? And I was like, they caught me.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Bleep. Yeah. It's not like a voice, though. So does it count? And I've read the hard er before. It wasn't my words. I was just reading.

[Mal]

Yeah, you were just reading. It was there.

[Rory]

Yeah. Huckleberry Finn.

[Julian]

Yeah. Jam.

[Mal]

I don't even like you saying that word.

[Julian]

No, I can.

[Mal]

Yeah, but I know you can, but I just don't. It's just something about you that's fair.

[Rory]

That's just like, the hard er is just.

[Mal]

Yeah, it's like. I don't know. But I think we all do have those thoughts in our head. Like, I love. But I love when people are honest with having, like, inappropriate thoughts about, like, different cultures.

[Julian]

You're a lying piece of if you don't. Yeah, I. I really. The people are like. I don't even. See, it's societally, it's impossible not to have racist thoughts.

[Mal]

Like, when I'm in a car and somebody, like, on the road does some dumb. Know where this is going, I automatically think a certain culture is driving that car.

[Rory]

What culture is that?

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I don't know if I want to say it more. I don't know if I want to say it. Yeah, but we all know what I'm thinking, right?

[Julian]

Why is she squinting? There's no sun.

[Rory]

See?

[Mal]

You know what I'm saying?

[Julian]

What?

[Rory]

You see?

[Mal]

He got to be the one.

[Julian]

Well, sometimes when it's overcast, you squint.

[Rory]

We can just mute his mic and the Entire part.

[Mal]

But I'm just saying, like, moments like that. I think that we all have those moments where, like, guarantee I know who's driving that car.

[Rory]

I think what makes you a good person is channeling your awful thoughts, realizing that they're bad thoughts and you should not, one say them or act that way.

[Mal]

Yes, exactly.

[Rory]

What I do, because I have, like, murderous thoughts often. But I think what makes me not a danger to society is that I don't act on them.

[Mal]

You haven't acted out a murder yet?

[Rory]

Well, I'm not saying, like, a reactive defense, the murder type thing. I'm saying, like, I've. I've plotted a few murders in my head that I'm like, I watched enough, you know, Law and Order, I could maybe get away with this.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

I've never acted on it.

[Mal]

Oh, I plotted a few murders.

[Julian]

Well, I remember when we were at Rory's house, he discussed. We did, though. If you had 24 hours to live, what would you do? And Rory just detailed a murderous spree.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

So we know it's in there.

[Rory]

It's in there, but it's not in any of you guys, of course.

[Julian]

What, to kill someone? I'm good on that.

[Rory]

Honestly, Just the thought. Like, just thoughts.

[Mal]

Well, you got to start with a fight first. You can't go from. No fight.

[Julian]

Probably. Yeah, I'd throw some punches.

[Rory]

I think most of, like, the serial killers or people that do those mass shootings probably have never.

[Mal]

No fight. Serial killers go straight to serial killers. Yes, but they've killed before. Like, that's why I love the. The. The Dharma doc. And they were showing him as a kid just, like, obsessed with dead. Dead things.

[Julian]

Squirrel snacks.

[Mal]

Yeah. Like, so, you know, like, that's why I said with the. With the kids that came here and was just popping the chicken heads off of the chickens in the. In the. In the. In the lounge, I said, you got to watch those kids. Like, that's how it starts. Like, it starts there.

[Rory]

And his dad was the one that, like, was teaching him that stuff, too, and then was, like, really shocked at the end of that series. Like, how.

[Mal]

How.

[Rory]

How did I not see this coming? Yeah, you were seeking out roadkill.

[Julian]

They bonded over dissecting roadkill.

[Rory]

Is there not some responsibility.

[Mal]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

Put on the parent at that point? Like, if we find out in the trial that you were teaching your child how to behead roadkill, like, I feel like.

[Mal]

And then he turns into a serial.

[Rory]

Killer, at least go on probation. Like, we need to monitor.

[Mal]

Yeah, the parent. The parent probably Needs to spend some time in jail, too, I think. So, yeah, I'm with that. I'm definitely with that.

[Rory]

But, you know, either way, I'm not going to act on the thoughts that I have, which is why I'm an amazing person.

[Mal]

That. Just. So funny.

[Rory]

So much better than.

[Mal]

Give yourself a. Give yourself a compliment is like. It's what you're supposed to do, but when you do it, it just comes off so weird.

[Rory]

Not acting on my racist, murderous thoughts just makes me a much better person than everyone else that's in this room.

[Mal]

How was your Discord last night?

[Rory]

It was a lot of fun. It's always fun to talk with the listeners. That's how we got on this Sean King thing, because obviously that was a topic. But it was cool. We did. We also did, like, a poetry slam. People read. People read their poetry. People. People played some of their music like it was. Nah, see, don't let. Don't laugh because you had to be there.

[Mal]

No, I didn't. Poetry slam.

[Julian]

You were in a Discord chat, snapping.

[Rory]

Yeah, of course I was.

[Mal]

That's sick.

[Julian]

That's crazy.

[Mal]

That's insane.

[Rory]

There was one gentleman came up and, like, said he was a poet, and I asked him to read his poetry, and that just sparked the whole room.

[Mal]

Sending all of the.

[Rory]

Everyone just started going through their notes.

[Mal]

All of the writers ran to the front line.

[Rory]

Yeah, see, y'all. Y'all are hating.

[Mal]

How am I hating?

[Rory]

Because you were uptown. You never went to the Nuyorican. You're not cultured like me.

[Mal]

Yeah, you're right. I forgot about that part of it. Yeah. I'm not. I'm not culture like you.

[Rory]

You weren't in the Nuyorican. You was in a Discord Village underground.

[Mal]

You was in a Discord chat, listening to poetry.

[Rory]

Yeah. And people's music. Everyone there enjoyed it.

[Mal]

Okay, that's what's up.

[Rory]

You wouldn't listen to someone's poetry on Discord?

[Mal]

No, I don't think I would be listening to somebody.

[Rory]

What if they added a beat to it?

[Mal]

No, I don't want to listen to somebody reading their poems on Discord.

[Rory]

Like Damaris read one.

[Damaris]

Sure did.

[Rory]

Damaris smoked everybody. That was kind of unfair. Damaris was like the. The person that goes to karaoke.

[Mal]

Can I hear the poem you read?

[Damaris]

Nah.

[Rory]

Sing.

[Mal]

Why? We can't hit a poem.

[Julian]

Can we make up what we think Damaris's poem would be?

[Mal]

I would not want to hear it.

[Damaris]

And that's why I won't read it.

[Mal]

Why?

[Damaris]

No, no.

[Mal]

But I want to honestly want to hear your.

[Damaris]

I was fired. I know that it was fire.

[Rory]

It was. I just felt like she.

[Mal]

It was you here. It was. No, it wasn't. Nobody that ever answered that fast was me. And truth.

[Rory]

I had heard the poem before that.

[Julian]

Play it.

[Rory]

That was like. That was like my third time hearing that poem, so I was well versed. I actually think I rapped along to some of the lyrics.

[Mal]

Oh, okay.

[Julian]

Like, you punched it up for her.

[Rory]

Nah, come on.

[Mal]

Y'all sounding like battle rappers.

[Rory]

I did not QM any of that. That was all her pen.

[Mal]

You was finishing her bars. She would come in the last like.

[Rory]

Yeah, you said dam.

[Julian]

You threw a bridge on this.

[Mal]

You were coming on the last stanza.

[Rory]

I was. I was pretty much Rex behind Mook the entire time. I was k Sean yelling damaris to get him.

[Mal]

Can you. Can. Do you have any, like. Any of the lines that stood out to you?

[Rory]

No, I mean, I let Demaris, like.

[Julian]

Okay, what was it about?

[Rory]

You know, who you know about?

[Mal]

Who was it about? I don't know who it is. Who was it? What was it about? What was the. What was the basis of the poem?

[Damaris]

It was about love. That's what it was about.

[Rory]

And a specific gentleman that we've discussed on this pod. I just thought it was unfair that she came in as, like, the deaf poetry slam expert to these guys that were just novices. She walked in like, the person that could sing at karaoke. Like, why are you even here?

[Mal]

But somebody saying my poem was about love is like. That's so. Like, isn't every poem about love?

[Julian]

Pen has ink in it.

[Mal]

Yeah. Doesn't every poem. Isn't every poem pretty much about love?

[Rory]

Not really, no. Well, it depends, I guess, your definition of love. I mean, everything is love.

[Mal]

Well, yeah, that. I don't know if everything is love, but, yeah, everything should be loved.

[Rory]

But no, poems are not always about love.

[Mal]

I don't. What's a poem that you can remember that wasn't about love?

[Rory]

Rose that Grew from the Concrete by Tupac. I can't quote one line. I just don't think it's about love. I think it's about a rose that. That grew from Baltimore.

[Mal]

I'm almost sure that if it's a poem about a rose grown from concrete, it's some love is somewhere in there.

[Rory]

Pull it up.

[Mal]

I'm just. I'm just gonna take a guess. If you told me about a rose growing from concrete, which is symbolic to making it out of a tough environment, something beautiful still Being able to flourish.

[Rory]

Okay, so then, yeah, everything is about love at that point.

[Mal]

That would have. Love is somewhere in there.

[Julian]

Rory, do you want to read it? I'd love to see your comprehension.

[Rory]

There's no N words, right?

[Mal]

No, nature is right there. So that's an N word.

[Rory]

Did you hear about the rose that grew from a crack in the concrete? Providing nature's law.

[Mal]

Providing is sick.

[Rory]

I can't.

[Mal]

Proving you up, ain't it?

[Damaris]

Why you reading it like it's the Martel ad?

[Mal]

Proving. Proving him up.

[Damaris]

He said, did you hear about the rose that.

[Mal]

Providing nature's law. That says proving proof.

[Rory]

Proving nature.

[Mal]

See, that's why you don't know poems is about love.

[Rory]

You can't even read it.

[Mal]

See, just right there. We cracked the code. This is why you don't know every poem has something to do with love. Because you just place providing when the author gave you proving stuff.

[Rory]

A lot of peace, a lot of people.

[Mal]

I'm just saying. Proving. You said provided.

[Rory]

What happened to poetic justice? He's even in the movie.

[Mal]

Oh, my God. Providing nature.

[Julian]

Sorry. Start from the top.

[Rory]

Proving nature's law of Hennessy. That always come with. Comes with your enemies.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Learned to walk without having feet. Funny it seems but by keeping its dreams it learned to breathe fresh air. Long live. That was my Tupac.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

The rose that grew from the concrete when no one else ever cared, Including Suge Knight.

[Mal]

See? When no one else ever, ever cared. This love is.

[Julian]

Somewhere in there's a love that's a love adjacent.

[Rory]

No, this is about someone that got absolutely no love and still learned how to grow.

[Mal]

But that's what I'm saying. It's about love. It's. It's about needing love. It's about wanting.

[Rory]

No, it's about no love existing at all. And I still came from the concrete, wanting love. It's crazy how things went from the concrete to the mud.

[Mal]

Yeah, like what?

[Rory]

They just melt down the concrete. All the kids are from the mud.

[Mal]

Yeah, well, I'm. I'm. I'm glad that Damaris got her deaf poetry off last night.

[Rory]

It was fun. You guys should have came on. I think you've written a poem before.

[Mal]

I mean, when I was young, in school, probably.

[Rory]

At what point did you realize, like, oh, this is kind of gay. I'm not doing this. Was it an insecurity thing?

[Julian]

Did you drop poetry for choir?

[Mal]

Nah, I just. I don't know. Poetry just wasn't something that I was really into.

[Rory]

But then you wrote raps.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah. I mean, it's writing. Yeah, it's writing. But I did. I never really was like, I'm gonna write a poem. Did it when I was young. Wrote a couple in grade school and.

[Julian]

But you still got your composition book. You want to, like, sell it? I wish, like, what Drake did.

[Mal]

I wish I did. I wish I had still had some of my composition books from. From grade school.

[Rory]

I think that'd be a good, like, therapy exercise for you. I think you should start on poetry now and then come on the podcast and read the poetry.

[Julian]

Do you ever write? Not even, like, in a poetic way. Just write your thoughts, Read most.

[Mal]

Not really. Anything down?

[Julian]

No.

[Mal]

All up here. Yeah, that's how you. That's how you avoid that. Rico, you can't write anything. Yes, I've seen. I've seen Casino. I see what took it down. I see what took everything down.

[Rory]

It's a paper trail.

[Mal]

No, I don't write. I probably should, though, like, write random thoughts out and, like, go back to them and read them. I probably should. Yeah, that seems therapeutic.

[Julian]

Dementia is always a fear of mine.

[Mal]

Dementia?

[Julian]

Yeah, there's something about living a long, fulfilling life and then, you know, coming towards the end and realizing you don't remember any of it. So I don't know, I just think it eases me to just write things down.

[Mal]

Speaking of writing, you're this new Instagram page. Yeah, we did some gay writing, some gay poetry.

[Julian]

Yeah, it's pretty gay in there.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

For you to laugh at people reciting their poetry on Discord last night. And that post that in the same day is a little contradicting.

[Julian]

Sure.

[Rory]

I also think it's funny that you think writing things down would cure your dementia.

[Julian]

It doesn't cure.

[Damaris]

It helps prevent it.

[Julian]

It helps prevent it. And it also, as a reminder, because you can go back and it. You can still read when you have dementia.

[Rory]

I've had two grandparents that have dementia. I could show them a sentence within five minutes, they would have forgot what they were.

[Mal]

This is poetic. Like, this reads like poem. This is off of Julian's new creative Instagram account, Invisible Land.

[Rory]

That's the name of the poem?

[Mal]

Well, yeah, it should be. He started the. The. The portrait with this photo makes me smile.

[Julian]

Oh, here we go.

[Mal]

A clash of universes.

[Rory]

Oh, I make you smile.

[Damaris]

A clash of universes was the gayest. I'm. You know, I'm on your side, but that was a clash of.

[Mal]

That.

[Rory]

It was. It was in the same room.

[Mal]

Clash of universes.

[Julian]

Rory, you know why that wrote that you. Because these Are two worlds of my life now in one room.

[Rory]

First of all, don't laugh at me saying provided and then get sensitive.

[Julian]

You can't read. That's different.

[Mal]

I'm laughing. Yo.

[Rory]

I get too. I get too.

[Mal]

This is what men do. This is what men do.

[Rory]

I get men.

[Mal]

Stop throwing insults.

[Rory]

This photo makes me smile. A clash of universes. This taken at home in Hollywood Hills where we were shooting our mic. Farmer's beautiful series Camera boss was performing under high powered studio lights. Leaving Armani and Britney scene left. Robbie and Rory seen right. Those are the different universes subject to my flash. We were subject to the flash. To a flash on a camera. Those are the universes and reflecting lights. Refracting, ceiling refracting.

[Mal]

You can't read.

[Julian]

Keep reading. You're gonna keep proving my point. You're like the shitty version of the first.

[Rory]

All that fun going from flash. You would think would say reflect.

[Mal]

Yo, chat. GBT definitely wrote that. Man. Get the out of here.

[Julian]

I. I'm a very good writer. I'll talk my now.

[Mal]

This now is game. The game is yo.

[Rory]

But that's just the top lady.

[Damaris]

I can't stand up for you. I can't.

[Mal]

He was who you was. I came in this game.

[Damaris]

You was who you was for you got here.

[Mal]

Yo. Yo, Julian, don't ever scream out. I came in this game.

[Rory]

He's like Che Guevara with bling on. He's complex.

[Mal]

Yo, you can't insult niggas. Man. Get so sensitive. Yo. Julia took it to. I came in this game as a writer.

[Julian]

I did.

[Mal]

Yo. Stand on business.

[Julian]

Anybody look. Not anybody can take a photo. Not many people have the penmanship that I do. And I'll stand on that.

[Mal]

Talk your talk, Jules. Yo.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Photo Clash universes is sick.

[Rory]

I first encountered Armani White as an artist. I feel like joins the writer that.

[Mal]

Don't ever tell me you encountered something.

[Rory]

I feel like he's the one that just typed in I met Armani, then typed in met synonyms on Google synonyms. And then found encountered synonyms.

[Mal]

It's a word, not cinnamon. I know. That's a word too.

[Rory]

Synonyms.

[Mal]

Yo.

[Rory]

Plural for cinnamon.

[Mal]

Yo, y'all are fucking sick, man. Anyway, you see what you started? This is Damaris fault.

[Julian]

This is Damaris's fault.

[Damaris]

He wrote that before we had a deaf poetry dram.

[Rory]

100% did.

[Mal]

No, I think you said last week that you write poetry.

[Damaris]

I said it a couple.

[Mal]

She says in the future. Yeah, yeah. So I think that's what I'm saying. Demaris started this. So then Julian was like, shit, I write, too. I came in this game of writer. Now I'm gonna get my shit off on invisible lens.

[Rory]

There was only one line in that entire thing that actually bothered me.

[Julian]

Oh, here we go.

[Damaris]

Clash of universes.

[Julian]

Let me see. Go ahead, Rory.

[Rory]

On the right, we see Robbie. Truly an audio engineer wizard.

[Julian]

He's the grand wizard of audio engineering.

[Damaris]

You didn't say that. I didn't make it to the end.

[Mal]

You want to spell yo. He is yo. He's Julian.

[Rory]

You.

[Julian]

I want to say some very nice things about Rob, Rory, like an overlord.

[Mal]

Do that. Don't do that. That's not what we laughing at. Laughing.

[Julian]

You got. See, this is.

[Mal]

This is why I made this. No, no, no. It's the word wizard. You know, mid. Can't say like that. Why not? We can't say wizard.

[Julian]

Why not?

[Rory]

What potion did he make?

[Damaris]

No, I need y'all.

[Julian]

Because I went on to provide context.

[Damaris]

Oh, no, no. Y'all are missing the most important part. With a tight grasp on the mouse, his head is constantly rotating between the artist and the laptop. I saw a few moments of him stacking audio files with the dexterity and quickness of an elite te.

[Julian]

That's bars, bro. You've never said those words before in your life.

[Mal]

I never want to say those words.

[Damaris]

Rory, like an overlord would often. You gave Maul an asthma attack.

[Mal]

Keep recording. This is.

[Damaris]

I think Ma is literally throwing up.

[Rory]

Looking at Pro Tools, and Robbie going, yo, stack that.

[Julian]

Rory is still fucking hater. I can't give someone their flowers. He's very talented.

[Rory]

Is this flowers to Robbie? What he does as an engineer is like a kid playing Tetris. No, that's not flowers.

[Julian]

I didn't say that.

[Damaris]

No, you didn't mention the dexterity and the quickness.

[Julian]

Yeah, you're leaving out things.

[Damaris]

Rory, like an overlord, would often stand beside Robbie, also with a pair of headphones on, not seen here. In the headphones are the backtrack of the songs and the live vocals, which in this case would be coming from boss.

[Julian]

There you go. I think it's fun to provide more context than just sharing a photo and coming up with a witty caption.

[Rory]

I think that's really cool as well. We're joking about the words that you.

[Mal]

That you used.

[Julian]

Well, I'm gonna get.

[Rory]

How many did you go through, Wizard?

[Julian]

Nah, these are all. This is one take. I don't really.

[Rory]

I'll.

[Julian]

I'll do. I write best if I just.

[Rory]

One take. I Definitely proofread this. You definitely. There's no way.

[Julian]

Can I.

[Rory]

This is a string of consciousness came out.

[Julian]

I write best when I just say what I. What comes to mind. First I'll word vomit, and then from there I'll do the grammatical, fixing and all that kind of stuff. But the, like, the essence and most of what I'm saying is just comes into one straight up, here it is moment. And then. Yeah, then I'll go through and tweak and. All good writers try to shorten things and, you know, you flip things around. I was. I had a lot of good teachers growing up who's.

[Rory]

All right. So genuine in the purest form. Is there other forms of genuine?

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Mall.

[Julian]

We're still rolling malls. Collecting himself off camera. He had to go to the bathroom.

[Rory]

Grand wizard Overlord. There's a lot of nuances in here that we need to look into.

[Julian]

Well, just.

[Rory]

I don't know if you can use the N word.

[Julian]

I have plenty more.

[Mal]

Yo, my badge. I'm sorry.

[Rory]

What was the engagement like?

[Julian]

What do you mean?

[Rory]

On these posts, comments wise, the solo.

[Julian]

One of you did pretty well. People were positive.

[Mal]

And Julian's doing that creative thing where he doesn't follow anybody back.

[Julian]

Well, it's not like it's not supposed to be an engagement, all right?

[Mal]

Oh, man. This is crazy. Julian, man, you are. You are a sick puppy, man.

[Rory]

This wouldn't happen if you didn't make fun of the people on Discord for doing poetry.

[Julian]

I don't care.

[Mal]

Yeah, no, but I'm just saying, like, now we found your group discourse. Poetry.

[Julian]

That's not poetry. That's prose.

[Rory]

I'm sorry, what?

[Julian]

You know the difference between poetry and pros?

[Rory]

Are you.

[Mal]

Are you. Do you.

[Rory]

Are you the pro.

[Mal]

Do you know the difference between pros and cons?

[Rory]

We're gonna get to that.

[Damaris]

I was gonna say.

[Mal]

Damn.

[Rory]

Yo, we're gonna get to that.

[Mal]

Yo, y'all are sick, man. This is a sick group.

[Rory]

All right, let's. Let's restore some order here. I don't know how we got down that. That rabbit hole.

[Mal]

My bad, Overlord.

[Rory]

I have to overlord this entire thing. See, let me lower. Lower these transitions. Well, that's not a great ad to sign up for our Discord. I don't know what is. Patreon.com backslash newroarimo. It was. It was a lot of fun. You can read your poetry. You could read some of your captions to Julian maybe.

[Mal]

Yeah, I played.

[Rory]

I played some new music on there as well.

[Mal]

Yeah. How did they like it?

[Rory]

They liked it. Other people played their music, too, so it was like a cool, creative pow. Wow.

[Mal]

How was some of the music, though?

[Rory]

It was good.

[Mal]

Honestly?

[Rory]

No. Honestly. One of the guys.

[Mal]

Somebody was playing some.

[Rory]

No, no. I would say if somebody was, and I would say it to them. No, one of the guys, I said to DM me, I thought it was really good.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, he did a good job.

[Rory]

Did you know, some talent.

[Mal]

You tell him to stack it and then.

[Rory]

I didn't tell him to stack or nudge or. I wasn't an audio wizard.

[Julian]

Roy said, let me come be a fly on the wall in your next session.

[Rory]

Yeah, I could be a wizard of the stack.

[Mal]

Stop, man, stop. Cause I don't wanna.

[Rory]

Yo. Stacking. Making you a wizard is crazy.

[Mal]

How many times you met Robbie?

[Rory]

That was your first time?

[Mal]

First time meeting Robbie?

[Julian]

No, it was not.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

I thought. I thought it was.

[Julian]

No, we were in the studio at Britt's house together.

[Mal]

Oh, so you've seen him on his wizardry? I've seen him.

[Julian]

I've seen him. Full robe.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Robbie Potter.

[Mal]

Yeah. Got you. Okay.

[Rory]

Like, he's known around the music industry as Dumbledore.

[Julian]

You didn't even see that?

[Mal]

See, I didn't even see. Yo, it's crazy how you made that correlation. Like, I ain't gonna lie. That was kind of wild. Look, might be the wizard.

[Rory]

Lil Dumbledore is with it.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Cause, you know, gotta be. Little dumb, little door door.

[Mal]

Little dumb, little dumb dumb.

[Rory]

Holy. Should we get into these pros and cons? I thought that was a little ironic.

[Mal]

Sure, man. Because I don't. I don't know what the hell is going on in the world.

[Rory]

We talked about this on Discord as well.

[Mal]

Did y'all?

[Julian]

Oh, really?

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mal]

Y'all was on Discord. Having a time.

[Rory]

And because I ran out of time.

[Mal]

Say that. Can men say having a time? The marriage? Yeah. You sure?

[Rory]

Not really.

[Mal]

Because they already think I'm gay. I don't want to be saying shit that well.

[Damaris]

You know, I like Drake telling people, telling girls their body is T. So I think you're fine.

[Mal]

Yeah, man. We.

[Julian]

Who did Drake say that to? He DM'd some woman. That right. Your body is tea.

[Mal]

But Drake is. Y'all see what he's. He's leaning into all of the. That they say he's weird and corny for, like. Exactly.

[Damaris]

So you can't.

[Rory]

He's putting himself in the perfect position to say. He can say whatever he wants at this point.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And it's like, oh, that's just Drake being Drake.

[Julian]

That's what I'm on.

[Mal]

I saw some girls on my timeline, got posted. Somebody reposted some girl on my timeline. She screenshotted a picture of Drake messaging her, asking if he. If that was her that he had just saw in some spot.

[Julian]

Oh, yeah.

[Mal]

And she screenshot it. Was that you?

[Rory]

That I recognized it was a. It was a funny bar.

[Mal]

Yeah. And then she. She said, yo, I'm. I. I'm not. I. I never opened it. Cause she just kind of screenshot the request. She said, I'm not opening it. I'm never opening it. I'm not responding to it. And everybody was like, yeah, all right. Like, you responded to that dm. This was a couple days ago. I'm willing to bet that she's responding to that dm.

[Rory]

And I'm sure he didn't reply because she did that.

[Mal]

Oh, you. Now you can't. You can't.

[Damaris]

Because that's so lame, though. What do you get out of that? Oh, look, guys, Drake DM me.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

You're on your Instagram half naked, and you're cute. He dms everybody that looks like that.

[Rory]

And he probably recognized you.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And wanted to you.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So he DM'd you.

[Mal]

Or make a song with her. I don't know. Maybe she has music or poetry. I don't know.

[Rory]

Don't do that. Because Drake tried to do that and then got. What's that? Him and Rick Ross record. He DM'd some girl. She was like, I make beats. And he was like, lol. And like, they actually were good.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Not Cradle to the Grave.

[Julian]

Oh, Money in the Grave.

[Rory]

Money in the Grave.

[Julian]

She's a nice producer, though.

[Rory]

But I think. I don't want to put this on Drake's jacket, but I'm pretty sure when he DM'd her, it was not. She hadn't made beats. Like, she didn't put on her Instagram her beats. She was just attractive and DM Drake. And then she also was very talented.

[Mal]

She DM Drake that she makes beats.

[Rory]

No, Drake DM'd her. She was attractive.

[Julian]

Is it Sydney? Sydney Christie, probably her.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that looks right.

[Rory]

I don't think she had any beats on. Her profile.

[Julian]

Is crazy Drake type beat. Get it?

[Mal]

Yo, you want to like. That's good. That's a double. No, I know what that was. You ain't got to tell me.

[Julian]

If you found out she made beats, you wouldn't reach out.

[Mal]

I would start writing immediately. I'M like, what am I pin at, man?

[Rory]

Stop playing now. You're a poet. You want to go on Discord, Stop playing with me.

[Julian]

I thought about this rose and some concrete.

[Mal]

Yo, I make beats. I'm like, yo, listen, like, I got. I gotta. I gotta stew down the block.

[Rory]

Definitely a stew.

[Mal]

Definitely a stew. What? Huh? You can't say studio. You gotta say stu.

[Rory]

You have to do a block out for her, too.

[Mal]

I'm.

[Rory]

Block the studio out for the weekend.

[Mal]

Blocked out.

[Rory]

No, she's talented.

[Mal]

Yeah, she is.

[Rory]

I think there was some controversy, though, with that dm, because she may have been in high school when he DM'd her.

[Julian]

I mean, that's.

[Rory]

I don't think he knew that. But just.

[Julian]

Just to work.

[Rory]

Either way, we got. You got to get money in a great song.

[Mal]

It's a great record creators while they're young.

[Rory]

That's what. That's what Kanye said about Tiger.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

On Breakfast Club, and no one. No one batted a eye. Oh, that's how you're just trying to get in there while she young. She's 16. No. Everyone's like, yeah, knock. Yeah, you right.

[Mal]

Charlamagne was like, yeah, so what kind of car you driving? Like, yo, this just said some crazy.

[Rory]

The craziest.

[Mal]

Y'all asking him what he driving. This culture is crazy.

[Rory]

So full electric. Are we on gas?

[Mal]

So you and you and Elon. What y'all. What y'all over there cooking up? Like y'all ain't gonna talk about what he just said about this young girl?

[Julian]

Yeah, that's the little CC with the slap in the base. That's her CC on the track is her producer tag.

[Rory]

Oh, she's a legitimate, talented producer.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I just don't think that's how it started out. That's all I was saying.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Is that the hotel we stayed at in London? No, I know a step.

[Julian]

Oh, shit.

[Rory]

I know a staircase.

[Julian]

No, it's not.

[Mal]

Okay, that's definitely not the hotel we stayed in London. I could promise you that.

[Rory]

That was like a haunted hotel that had the staircases that move. That was like Harry Potter.

[Julian]

It was Harry Potter.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I was lost every time I tried to get to my room.

[Mal]

Yeah, being drunk, trying to find your room in that hotel. Good luck.

[Julian]

That was fun.

[Rory]

Anyways, I ran out of time with my therapist yesterday, so I didn't get to ask her if I should reply to what we're about to talk about. So I talked to Discord about it.

[Mal]

I do gotta say, his mascots, I ain't with Them. And the funny thing is just be like, look like, here's my thing, right?

[Rory]

You know, what's your thing?

[Mal]

I talked about this on my new album. I'm gonna save a little bit of it.

[Rory]

Damn, we the intro.

[Mal]

Here's my thing. Like, with the whole and all that wild. You know what I'm saying? It ain't really wow. Because for me, it was like a high school fight.

[Rory]

Is that a bape coat? I like his coat.

[Mal]

You know, that's what it was.

[Julian]

That's what you like.

[Mal]

And when like to use my name. Like, I just. I. I don't with trying to use my name. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't with thinking that it's still a reality show. Like, nigga, in real life, you pussy.

[Rory]

That's a fact.

[Mal]

Big fact. That's what it is. My. In real life, you two is both of y'all. When you hear me. Because never going to stare at camera.

[Rory]

One with sunglasses on is funny.

[Mal]

I think we should have a conversation. I ain't. It's on with me. I don't know who he's talking about.

[Rory]

I'm trying to figure it out anytime.

[Mal]

I don't want to know. I'm trying to figure it out as we go. But, hey, birds. That's why I don't even make no sense. It'd be like one of the one. They could be like, yo, I. Yo, you know, don't listen to Vlad. Cause he's trying to hype it up. And you know, we gotta stay together. And then. And then his white man that he's sitting right next to be like, yeah, Consequence got no jumper. Was talking about how he had me kicked out. I had you kicked out of Donda. I had KK Security run you out, bro. Kim Kardashian, you got escorted out.

[Rory]

I feel like they probably did yell.

[Mal]

And scream and throw you out. Nah. Cause we spending too much money to be yelling and screaming. And that's what Dawn C. Told me. Cons, chill. That nigga's leaving now.

[Julian]

You left probably.

[Mal]

You know who you is, you ass.

[Rory]

I thought I was a white man. It's just kind of contradicting.

[Mal]

I don't know.

[Damaris]

Ass white man.

[Rory]

Wait, so is it on site or is it security?

[Mal]

Is it Uchiwali or is it Mike? I don't know.

[Rory]

Where do we want to go with this? All right. For those that are new to this episode, I don't know what, a year ago, I told a funny story on this podcast. Two years ago, maybe when I was mad at Maul that anytime I go out, I end up in his beefs. And I explained a very light and funny story about being at the Donda show talking to Consequence. I actually embellished to make him look tough and me look because I also didn't want any static with cons. I thought we had a great conversation. I made him look cool and me look like a loser. Then he went on no jumper and said he got me kicked out, which is a bold face lie. Now I'm here to tell the real story. I was watching the Kanye West Donda show in a booth next to Jay Electronica and Dave Chappelle. I'm sorry I'm dropping names, but let's just add facts to this now. The consequences using like you and all this other stuff. Cons came up to me in a very respectful manner. I'm not saying that as a negative way. Started out as a good conversation. I was a little confused. He was talking about things that happened when I was maybe a senior in high school or like a freshman in college. I was not around for those days. He was speaking to the response video that we had where you mentioned an altercation. From my understanding, I thought Hop had deaded that whole situation between you and cons. I don't know. Then he started to get loud for some weird fucking reason. And I think he thought he could get loud. Let's go with optics. Scrawny white guy just chilling, watching a Kanye show. He probably thought he could get that off on me in front of his peers. I met him with energy. I'm not saying a physical one, just his tone changed when we were being respectful to loud. I met him directly at that tone because I didn't understand what the he was talking to me for. I wasn't even around. What? Go talk to the people you have an issue with. Like if you want to squash it and have me moderate it, cool maybe. But the person you're really mad at, I wasn't even cool with at the time. What the fuck are you talking to me for? Jay Electronica steps in, breaks it up. Consequence is then grabbed by what I thought looked like a security guard. And everyone I talked to yesterday that was there because I wanted to make sure I had my facts fucking straight here. Consequence was taken out of that section for screaming his head off for no reason. And everyone looking at him like, we're trying to watch a show, bro. He was then taken out of our suite. I continued to watch the show. I took a picture of Chappelle And Jay Electronica in an empty stadium. It's empty. This was after the show. Then went to the after party, which was still in the arena. And then me, Angela Yee and Jay Electronica left the venue when we felt like going back to the hotel. That was it. Plain and simple. I don't understand what consequence, like, what his goal is here.

[Mal]

And if.

[Rory]

And if Don C told you that he kicked me out, you should go have a conversation with Don C. You.

[Mal]

Get kicked out by Don C. Don C, like, one of the coolest in the world. How you get kicked out?

[Rory]

BJ Elect was laughing and J was like, don C was the one that grabbed you to. To bring you in.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So if Don C. Cons. You really actually may think that I assume KK is Kim Kardashian?

[Damaris]

I would assume so, yeah.

[Julian]

Yeah, probably.

[Rory]

I also feel like Kim's security probably had other things to take care of instead of Rory quietly minding his business watching a Donna show. If Don C told you that I was kicked out, you should have a conversation with Don C. Because he feels comfortable lying to you, and that should show you the level of respect he has for you. Because now you're going on podcasts, Bag fuel. No. Jumper, reputable things, and you are clearly lying on someone that has no issue with you, has never said a word about you in his life unless it was positive. I used to play your records on the opod. I've been a cons fan for my whole life. I love Consequence. Never said a bad word about him. Who is the bird in this situation? Somebody that's making an issue out of something instead of the people that did the thing you have an issue about, and you're coming to me. Who's the bird?

[Mal]

You finished?

[Rory]

Sorry.

[Mal]

No. Yeah, it's just.

[Rory]

It's getting annoying at this point, that's all.

[Mal]

Yeah, I don't. I, like. I'm. I don't know, man.

[Rory]

Every time I speak loud, I think people think I'm bad.

[Mal]

I'm not. I'm just trying to understand what the fuck is. I. I haven't said anything negative about cons ever.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mal]

We had a. We had a conversation last year. Last year, Fashion Week in New York. Bumped into him at a. At a party, had a conversation for a few minutes, and I did what I. What I did to him in the DMs when that whole video came, when we first did that, our first video. And I apologize to him for putting his name in that, because that was corny. And I stood on that from the beginning, I say, that was corny. I shouldn't have did that. But, you know, during that time we was doing that, emotions was all over the place. And, you know, so I apologize for saying that, because that was corny. I shouldn't. I shouldn't have threw his name in. That. That was. That was unnecessary. And I don't like to do unnecessary shit. Um, but then we. So I bumped into him finally. Fashion Week last year in New York. Spoke at the party, had a good conversation. Again, I apologized to him. Cause that was my first time seeing him face to face. So I apologized again. And then he went on to say, yo, you know how much money me and your brother made together? And I said, nah, I'm very aware. I said, which is why, again, I'm apologizing. Cause it's corny. You have a relationship with my brothers. And, you know, I put your name in some shit that I shouldn't have did. But, yeah. And after that conversation, we exchanged numbers. He texted me, invited me. He had an album listening or album released, something he had last September or last year. He had texted me, but I was out of town when the thing was happening, so I hit him. I said, y'all might be out of town, but if I'm here, I'll definitely pull up on you. And he was like, cool. And that was the. That was September last year, the last time we exchanged. I haven't said anything negative about it. I know when we had little brother on Patreon, I even said. I said, yo, we. I said, yeah, it was an issue. I said, would be cool. We squashed that. And then you said, don't it take two people to squash a beef? And I was like, oh, well, I didn't know.

[Rory]

And why I said that was I had nothing to do with the beef to begin with.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

How am I even involved in this entire thing? And the DM that he sent you about the album release, he said, bring Rory. Was that a lot? Like, if you want to talk all this. This line shit on Backfield, were you trying to lie on me? If there. Clearly there's an issue. And it's. See, I could understand the story I just told. I never told it that way because I didn't think it was that serious at all. I told it kind of more in a funnier way to make me look like the more lame in that situation, just in case he felt like any type of way, if I'm gonna tell a story, like, it wasn't that big of a deal. I look like the less tough guy. Now you're making me tell a story I didn't even want to tell because I didn't particularly care that that's not how it went at all. You tried to press me. It didn't work. You got even more angry and then made up a lie that you got me kicked out of something. And I can see people like, why do you care this much about it? Lying about a situation that I was in and being kicked out. You're now talking about my character. And once someone invites me in to their community, I act like an idiot. And that wasn't the case. I didn't get kicked out of anything. I was actually very polite in the beginning until you started to get loud because I respected everyone around me. You didn't respect anyone that was in that booth. That's why they walked in and was like, what the fuck are you doing right now? And that's why you were escorted out, not me. I just. I don't know.

[Mal]

Yeah, listen, man, I should talk to my therapist. I'm pussy shot.

[Rory]

That's why I'm mad too.

[Mal]

Like, nah, but I can't see. But this goes back to a conversation we had a few episodes ago. And why. I really don't do, like, interviews and I don't go on platforms and things like that. I mean, if I'm invited again to certain platforms that I like and I'll go on, but.

[Damaris]

But.

[Mal]

It'S because it's just like these, these. It's like you start freestyling and saying things and it's like, is it. Is this just for. To make a compelling conversation or content or engagement on a clip or something? Because it's just like, do you. First of all, you don't know me well enough to say I'm pussy. You've never been in a situation with me that will validate me being pussy or not. Like, that's. At least that's how I was taught growing up. Like, you in a situation with somebody, you see how they handle themselves. If they stand on what they gotta stand on, cool. If not, it's like, yo, he ain't really like that. So that's just like. And. And Khan's is a little older than me, so it's like he knows that. Like, so it's like, why would you even say those things? Especially after we had a conversation, a great com. A cool conversation and all of that shit was in the past. Especially that shit like that we talking about. I don't even wanna. You know what I'm saying? Like, that was. Is so, like, in my rear view, it's just like, what are we talking about, man? Like, I don't have no issue with const. I don't have no issue with you. Like, I don't never did. We had a conversation at the party last year, Fashion Week, and to me, that was the final, you know, the final chapter of that. It's like we finally saw each other face to face. Again, I apologize because that's what I was taught to do. When I do something wrong, I gotta be loud when I'm wrong. If I'm gonna be loud when I'm right, I gotta be loud when I'm wrong. So I apologized and I thought that was it. We dapped, exchanged numbers, a few texts back and forth after that. And now y'all come in here with this clip. I'm just like, yo, I don't. I don't. I don't know what's. I don't know what's going on anymore. Like, I don't know what's happening in the world.

[Rory]

He could have continued to tell the lie. Like, after the no jumper, we never even replied or addressed it. But to come on with this rah rah, they is no conversation when I see you thing on top of the lie. Now let's. Let's address it. And I already know where this is going to go. Consequence from what I've seen, I don't know the gentleman just going. Based off what he has presented to the world, cons can get a little erratic. And I think cons is prideful, same way I'm prideful. So instead of him hearing this out and looking at logic to say, hey, I'm wrong. Roy never got kicked out and I was wrong for saying he's pussy. All this random shit. I misdirected my energy and have a conversation with us. I think more rah rah shit is going to come. And Because I just proved that he's a fucking liar about the entire thing or was misinformed and the people that he claims to be friends with lied to him, he's now going to have to go above and beyond to really try to make this rah rah go. Because I know people that have that fragile of an ego when they. When someone brings actual logic to them, they don't go, daniel, right, my bad. I wild out. Let's have a conversation. Cool. This is why I said it. I realize I'm wrong. My bad. That's not what cons is going to do. Cons is going to Try to get louder.

[Mal]

I mean, listen, people could do what they want to do, man. I'm not. I'm in a whole different do what you want to do. I'm just confused, and I'm looking for clarification on the situation. Like, I'm looking for clarity because it's like, bro, we spoke about that. To me, it's like, that's over with. That whole situation that we referring to, that's so old. It's like, well, what are we talking about? It's 2024, bro. It's 2024, right?

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Yeah, it's 2024. Like, what do we. What are we talking about? This was. This situation happened in, like, 2012. We still talking about that?

[Rory]

And my situation with cons happened in 2021.

[Mal]

Yeah, it's just.

[Rory]

And even though we had a back and forth that was loud, I thought we had an understanding that I have nothing to do with that situation. I've never said a word about you. I think your energy's misdirected here, bro.

[Mal]

Listen, because I know who I am, and I'm gonna say it for the last time. Consequence, I don't have no issue with you. I'm not sure if this is an old interview that just came out, and maybe he recorded this before we had our conversation last year. That could be a thing too. I don't know. Maybe this is old footage. I don't know. I'm just saying we gotta give room for any type of situation. But if it's not, just so we're clear, I don't have no issues with you. My family is, you know, you cool. My brother Hop. Like, it's not. You know what I'm saying? I don't have no issues. Like, I apologize because I said some. Some wrong I shouldn't have said and threw your name in the conversation. That was unnecessary. I apologize years ago for that. I apologize when I saw you last year at the party, and I'm apologizing now for the last time. I was wrong for what I said. Throwing your name in that mix. That was corny on my behalf. That was corny on my behalf. But I'm not talking about this no more after this, dog. It's just like, I don't have. Because this is how. See, sometimes you make a real situation out of nothing.

[Damaris]

Yep, I was just about to say that. Yeah.

[Mal]

And I'm not. I've seen too many. You know, it go too many ways, and it's just like, nobody wins. And it's like, damn, you get Old enough, you get to a point where you like, all of that could have been avoided.

[Rory]

That's why I'm saying the ego thing.

[Mal]

You know what I'm saying? So it's just like, bro, what are we talking? Like, I don't have no. Cause there's no real issue there. And that's really why I can't give it. But so much energy. Cause it's like that shit. Yeah. Again, I apologize, but I'm not gonna keep apologizing. This is the last time I apologize. I was wrong. We had a conversation. It's over with. As far as I'm concerned, that shit is in my rear view that we talking about something that happened over a decade ago. Like, bro, it's so much new money printed out here. I'm not trying to hear about no old shit like that, man. Like this. That shit is over with, man, on my behalf. I never spoke negative about cons after that. You can't find me nowhere saying any negative thing about this dude ever. Like, once I apologized and I was wrong, that was it for me. Like, I was done. And even before that, I never said nothing negative about him. I was just recanting the story of what happened that night, however, 12, 11 years ago, however long that go. That shit was. But even in that, I didn't say nothing negative about. I said, yo, I was just holding a situation down. Because at the time, I thought that was a friend. And I was doing the friend thing. But.

[Damaris]

Yeah, well, do y'all think that shit.

[Mal]

Is so old, man, that is over with, man.

[Damaris]

We're gonna. We're gonna wrap this up. Cause you guys are right. But do you think that this is happening to Roar? Especially the part about Rory. Rory being dragged in this? Because Rory looks like easy bait. Maybe to him, the real issue is possibly, I don't know this. That his ego was messed up in that whole situation all the time.

[Mal]

Whatever. Whatever it is, whatever it is, it's stupid.

[Damaris]

No, of course it is. But I'm just saying, as far as Rory, because I feel like Rory is possibly like a punch. Rory's being used as a punching bag because the other gentleman can't be. You know what? I'm. Don't want to touch the other gentlemen. N. Don't want to touch them all. So it's. Well, I have to take this anger and this embarrassment out on somebody.

[Mal]

It's not even.

[Rory]

That's what I was saying. But I know happened at that. That Donna show. When I said it to him, like, I know the optics. I think he thought that. And then it was quickly realized that that wasn't going to happen. You weren't just going to speak to me some type of way and I don't even know you. So I'll try to sum it up as like, positive as you did for my end consequence. I never had an issue with you to begin with. I didn't know you. I never spoke on you. I do have an issue with you lying on me and then trying to call me pussy and all this other shit. I think that's weird. And bird behavior because I've never said a word about you. When we did run into each other, even though there was some heated exchange, I felt we did have a man to man conversation, which I feel I didn't even owe you because I've never said a word about you and I still had it. So to me, like maul, I thought this was just like some funny whatever shit. Him going this way is odd to me and I don't have an issue with him, but I do have an issue with someone continually to lie on me and then add in all this other rah rah pussy shit. That's all.

[Mal]

See, that don't bother me. I'm being whole foods trying to find ripe avocados. Like, I don't care about somebody calling.

[Rory]

It's tough.

[Mal]

Yeah, I don't care about somebody calling me pussy. It's just like. Cause you look weird when you calling me that. When you don't really know me. To me, that's just like. Like how you call somebody pussy. You don't even know them. Like, I would never do that. Like you could be talking to somebody that, that got four heads in their freezer. You talking about he pussy. Like, who you. You don't know who you talking to.

[Damaris]

So that's the challenge when. When you, if you don't know me to know that I'm pussy, but you say that I'm pussy. It's like you asking me to prove you wrong.

[Mal]

Yeah, but I'm not.

[Rory]

And none of us are calling cons puss. Yeah, but it's just, I don't know cons. He may not be pussy at all, bro.

[Mal]

Listen, bro, I'm just, I'm talking.

[Rory]

I don't know him.

[Mal]

I'm talking about. This is what I'm saying.

[Rory]

He might have a black belt for all I know.

[Mal]

I'm like all of this on podcasts and you know, you mention somebody's name and you say some slick shit and then you make that a clip and then that clip go viral, it's just like, bro, I'm so sick of this corny shit. Like, it's just. That is just corny. Like, especially when there's no real issue. Like, it's like, what? Like I don't have no, bro, I don't have it. I say, how many times I said, julian, I don't have an issue with nobody except Joe Biden. I don't have beat. Well, yeah, him, but I don't have beef with nobody. It's like, stop trying to create. We got to get to something. We got to find another way, another angle, man. We can't just keep creating issues.

[Rory]

Maybe yes, Jules, coming from the good music camp, okay, could solve this whole consequence New Royal Mall thing. I know that's your people. Maybe we hire her just on some monthly retainer peace type of thing. No, she knows everyone involved.

[Mal]

Yeah, but she's going. She got a bigger fish to fry right now. She got bigger fish to fry. So, yes, Jules was. I'm guessing she was fired from her role position at Yeezy.

[Rory]

No, guess the email reads, deal. Dear Jules, obviously you're fired. Yours truly.

[Julian]

Yeah, that was the. The COVID sheet.

[Rory]

Yeah, no guess on that one.

[Julian]

A little bit of detailing. In the detailing, they said she violated her NDA.

[Mal]

Now, she's been doing. Before you get into that, she's been doing a lot for the, for the Easy for the Vultures project rollout. Yeah, she's been in charge of a lot of like, you know, their fan engagement online, a couple activations that they had for the rollout and things like that. Which is what. What Jules essentially does. Like she's a curator of the vibes, I believe is what they call it.

[Rory]

That was her. She coined that term to herself.

[Mal]

Yes, but self appointed. She was doing what seemed to be good work for Yeezy and, and for the Vultures roll out. And then obviously this happened and they're saying that she was in violation of certain things that she wasn't supposed to do. I don't know. It was an NDA she signed. But the thing that I understand was on one email, it said, you are terminated from the contract that you never signed.

[Rory]

And I'm just saying I saw that one first.

[Mal]

So she's. What is she in violation of if she never signed anything that she agreed on?

[Rory]

Can you zoom into that, Julian? Because I found that language extremely weird. This was the first thing that came out before the last two days of crazy rants.

[Julian]

I can't make it. I can read it.

[Mal]

It says because you are being terminated for cause, but also because you forgot to sign your contract. Your termination is effective immediately. Yeah, so if I forgot to sign my contract, you can't terminate me. You can't. One, you can't terminate me, and two, what am I in violation of?

[Rory]

You could. If they have some type of ownership over those Yeezy fan communities, that's something that they put together and have IP on it and she's involved in it, then they can, I guess, terminate her as, like a model, but that made no sense. But you also have to understand who these emails have been coming from.

[Mal]

Yes.

[Rory]

That dude, Milo. That guy.

[Julian]

That's how it sounds. Yeah, that's right.

[Rory]

Is one of the biggest fucking creeps on earth. He's an advocate for pedophilia.

[Mal]

Wait, what?

[Rory]

This dude is insane.

[Mal]

What do you mean he's an advocate for pedophilia?

[Rory]

He's an advocate for pedophilia. This isn't some democratic conspiracy. I've watched plenty of interviews with this guy.

[Julian]

He's been on Rogan, British far right political commentator.

[Rory]

He thinks he. He was molested as a kid and thought it was very healthy for his upbringing and advocates for that type of things that happened. He. He was gay for most of his life. Now he's not gay. He's part of the. The trans movement of becoming not gay because it's a sin. He's a nut job. So, no, he's running his campaign. It was the Nick Florentes or whatever that kid's last name is.

[Julian]

Oh, yeah, for a bit.

[Rory]

So. So Milo fired Nick and has been taking over Kanye's presidential campaign, but also running a lot of the Yeezy stuff.

[Mal]

Well, I did like Jules's response because she said from the beginning, she said exactly who she wanted to work with. And this dude was not one of the dudes that she wanted to work with. And then she sent a response email saying that she doesn't wish to talk to any pedophilic Satanist. What did she say?

[Rory]

Homophobic.

[Mal]

Homophobic. She says, hi, Milo. Thank you for your email. As soon as Yeezy is free of pedophilic sex. Sexist, homophobic, racist, I will be more than happy to speak to Yay directly about being a part of the team. Obviously, this means you need to quit or be fired. Respectfully, Juliana Goddard.

[Julian]

Is that not contradictory, though? Because up until her being retroactively.

[Mal]

No, no, no, no.

[Julian]

She was working with him.

[Mal]

Yeah, but she. In the email, she posted that as well. She's. She's Been posting her receipts. She. She made it very clear from the beginning who she wanted to work with and. And. And who she wanted to report to. And this dude's name wasn't in. And I think he responded and said, that's fitting. Or, like, I figured that would be the response or something like that. Like, she posted the.

[Julian]

Sure, but okay, it's fine. They're not texting each other or, like, directly.

[Rory]

She posted Texas between the two of them.

[Julian]

Texas.

[Rory]

Texas's. There was that. I mean, but she did also post her saying she did not want to work with someone like that prior to this whole thing. And I'm here to defend Jules. I think she's right in this situation. I think it's very unfortunate that she's being used as some scapegoat for someone in that Yeezy team fumbling the fan pages and making Jules look like the bad guy when she wasn't. But at the same time she was working with that guy, she made it clear she didn't want to, but she still took the job and worked with him.

[Mal]

Well, she. She actually. She posted about that, to the point she said, you know, she didn't stand on, you know, her integrity and morals as hard as she should have, obviously, by taking the role. Cause that dude was working there. But listen, man, you can't. You know what you gonna do, man? You gonna not work, not be able to support yourself and your family, because.

[Damaris]

There'S certain one else you could. You could work for. There's no other.

[Mal]

I mean, if you. If you have. If you have a personal relationship with Kanye and he wants you to be a part of, you know, his team and his. His. His rollout for his. His new project. I mean, you might not agree with some of the people he has on his staff.

[Julian]

Damn, this guy's a piece of shit. Sorry, I'm just reading.

[Rory]

And for any, like, super Kanye fans or super Milo fans, trust me, I did my research. I'm not just going off what headlines say. I've watched his interviews. It's inexcusable. He's pro pedophilia. Like, don't even try to flip it. Like, you don't understand. You don't understand. Like, he's just trying to get people to open their mind. No, I. Fuck all that. He's down with pedophilia.

[Mal]

Yeah, anybody that's down. Pedophile, you can die with all pedophiles.

[Rory]

I don't really care about the rest of his policies. Even if I agreed with them, which I don't but let's say I agreed with 99.9. Everything he said said that point one of like, yo, that pedophile. That's what's up. I'm cool. Can't with you.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Now, in Jules's situation, all right, we've all probably been in jobs where if you go through the entire staff. I worked at Havas, and I'm not gonna put this on Havas jacket, but it's the largest ad agency in the world. I'm sure there's some nasty people that I was cc'd on emails with.

[Julian]

No way.

[Rory]

I know that that's sometimes out of people's hands. I don't think the staff was that big. If Jules said, yo, I don't want to work with that guy if he's just doing political and not the vulture, I'm still. I think I'm cool. I can't. That guy's nuts. Yeah, he is nuts.

[Mal]

I mean, it's hard. Listen, bro, I understand, but it's. Sometimes it's hard for people to stand that hard on their. On their morals and integrity. Like I said, every. It's a tough time for a lot of people. People got bills, people got families, people got. You know, so it's like, your integrity ain't going when that rent due. You know what I'm saying? And your landlord emailing you like, yo, rent's due. You ain't gonna be like, yo, I'm standing on business. Like, I ain't take this job with Easy'cause they got some dude that supports pedophilia over there. Landlord ain't gonna want to hear that.

[Rory]

Yeah. And now, separately, I am here to defend Jules because I know what it's like to be a scapegoat when you didn't do anything wrong. But while this shit is falling apart, we're going to blame this person, even though he was the one that was actually trying to do everything correct. I've been there. I know what it feels like. So I've appreciated everything Jules has done on the timeline after that. Yeah, I was the only Kanye. No one could touch him. The only way to do that rollout for real was to tap in with. To the fan bases, which Kanye has a huge fan base on the Internet. Obviously, Jules did the only thing you could really do in this situation to make sure that rollout went properly. You can't do real press with Kanye west right now. You got to tap into actual fans that are going. The purest form of word of mouth right now is what Jules was Trying to tap into.

[Mal]

I would like to know, what NDA violations are they referring to.

[Rory]

They were suggesting that she was taking credit for certain things that Kanye fans were doing and there was some type of financial gain. And I even saw one post about a Target run for people they hired, and they send Jules the money. It sounded very petty, and I think that's why they post. Jules posted that email saying, hey, we reconsidered. We want you back. Because they realize this is like, we're firing Jules over a misunderstanding of $40 at Target. Like, what are we doing right now? Yeah, I don't think Jules did anything wrong. Say what you want about her and other things in this situation. I fully am on her side. It doesn't seem like she did anything wrong. So I'm happy she. She posted the receipts like, you're not about to on my character and have me fired and all that. Headlines everywhere, like, I did something wrong.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

I was here to help y'all.

[Mal]

Well, does she take the job? Does she take the position back?

[Rory]

I mean, she made it clear. I loved her response. Hi, Milo, thank you for your email. As soon as Yeezy is free of pedophiliac, sexist, homophobic, racist, I will be more than happy to speak to Ye directly about being part of the team. Obviously, this means you need to quit or be fired. Respectfully, so.

[Mal]

So if Milo goes, Jules is back?

[Julian]

Yeah, sounds like it.

[Mal]

All right, well, we'll have to see who Kanye feels like is more of an asset to his team.

[Rory]

My favorite. My favorite thing that she posted that had nothing to do with her argument. I just, like, love Kanye when he gets in his, like, super weird brain. One text was, I think, of, like, some Internet artist that they had hired that Kanye wanted to work with. And Jules had posted, like, a group chat of her talking with Milo about this girl. Really annoying Kanye. And instead of saying copy, when he asked her to do something, she'd be like, yo, I'm on it. And then Kanye replied with simply say copy. Then the woman replied, copy. And then, yay. Said, I have decided not to work with you.

[Julian]

That's hard.

[Rory]

Because she just kept saying, yo, I'm on it. Simply say, copy. Yeah, so she said, copy, I've decided not to work with you, man.

[Mal]

Listen, it gotta be tough around working around the easy camp boy. Niggas gotta wear socks all day.

[Julian]

No wonderwear.

[Mal]

He's just like, yo, you gotta say copy. Then when you say copy, he don't want to work with you.

[Rory]

It's gotta be such A weird environment for sure, because, you know, as objective as you could possibly be, this is probably one of the greatest creative environments I can be in. If I want to be a creative, this is my Mecca.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

If I want to be an architect, like, holy shit, look who I'm around. Look at the risks he's taking. This is a creative's dream. But that's the catch 22 of having to deal with that genius of a creative brain.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You reply with copy, and after he says, say copy.

[Mal]

Now you're fired. Now you're fine. Yeah. Now you got. Now you got packages.

[Rory]

Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory. The am I doing right now.

[Mal]

Now you gotta pack your. And the Up. Yeah. You know what I mean? Don't say copy after I told you to say it.

[Rory]

Can I shoot some bail in that message, though? I think he was trying to tell her, next time, don't say, I'm on it. Say copy.

[Mal]

He felt like she was being.

[Damaris]

She's being funny.

[Rory]

She should have never replied with cop. She shouldn't have said anything. She just thought in her head, all right, next time.

[Mal]

Yeah, but then if you don't respond, it's like, okay, now you're.

[Julian]

You probably would have followed up with your fired anyway.

[Mal]

Exactly like, you know what? I don't think I want to work with you. She was out of there. Just put it like that. It wasn't. She could have said copy 20 times. She's out of there.

[Rory]

Julian, you can. You can probably speak with me in some of those, like, times, like when you've been at a label or. Or whatever, you're put on text with someone that, like, you know and revere. And you start overthinking every last response, like, yo, meet me at this address. And it's like, all right. Should I say bet?

[Mal]

What?

[Rory]

Like, should I. Yo. On my way. Should I just hard it.

[Mal]

It?

[Rory]

Like, am I gonna look at weird now that I'm put on this text with this person that they don't give a. They sent you an address. Just go there. I was gonna say, you know, you overthink everything.

[Julian]

My approach to that, because Rory's point. There were a lot of, like, messages or group chats or I'm thrown into conversations with artists. And I would always do that. I would always overthink. I'm like, why am I. So then I just started just talking, like, how I talk to, like, my guys, my friends, whatever. And I was like, oh, everyone talks like this. It doesn't have to be a whole, like, half formal. Half cool. Like just talk the way you talk to everybody.

[Mal]

Like, it's just be yourself.

[Julian]

Be yourself.

[Mal]

That's it.

[Rory]

The worst is when you're in a conflicting situation. I think I can tell this story. I don't think they'll get mad. I was doing socials for Big Sean when he was signing Kevin Lyle's label and we were doing the Aura Golds.

[Julian]

That's why he had all those typos.

[Rory]

100. Yeah.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I did not do Big Sean's captions. I was doing the Oracle.

[Julian]

You thought the dollar sign wasn't asking.

[Rory]

I'll go even further. I was doing the Oracle Instagram with Mike Carson person.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

No, it's. This is filthy over there. South by Southwest anniversary. Oh, shout out to the Fillmore.

[Mal]

Yeah, Shout out to the film.

[Damaris]

You just dropping anything at this point.

[Rory]

Shout out to the Rolling Loud.

[Mal]

Yeah, Shout out to the Fillmore.

[Rory]

And we were doing a pop up at for or Gold on Fulton street and I posted what I was supposed to do of a picture of and all the Aura Gold shit in the window for the pop up because he was doing a meet and greet and if you bought a T shirt like, you know, typical shit. Sean texts me and is like, yo, why the fuck would you ever post on the Oracle account? And I understood what he was saying. Like, I love. But Oracle was an expensive for streetwear. It was pretty expensive. You may devalue a brand when you put it with a certain store. That is not bad. But I'm not trying to on nor was Big Sean. I was conflicted between that. When Kevin then hits me and says, why the did you delete the photo of the pop up shop? And now I'm sitting on text with everyone like, all right, who do I reply to?

[Mal]

Yeah, who.

[Rory]

Who do I want me to hate more? Those situations are awful.

[Mal]

Yeah, but that's. I mean I can. That that I can understand.

[Rory]

I would say between the artists at 6am like, all right, so either Kevin Lyle is gonna hate me, right? Big Sean is gonna.

[Mal]

Between the artist and the label head. That's just like they have.

[Julian]

Oh God.

[Rory]

Who is gonna hate me more?

[Julian]

I'm getting PTSD because that's when I like I would artists. I'd been putting the group chat me artist manager and then they would text me on the side. Manager would say one thing. Artists would say a completely different thing. And I'm why do I have to be there? I don't want to pick. Let's go to the group. So I would address it in the Group of the three of them. And then they would have hit me on the side and like, fuck that, man. I'm done with. I'm like, all right.

[Mal]

Yeah. But at that point, you just got to do your job. Like, your job is not to.

[Julian]

Like, I.

[Mal]

Obviously, the management artists are having conflicting views, or the men or the artists in the label having conflicting views. Let them figure that out. Whatever job you were told and hired to do, as long as that's done, you have. Your grounds are covered.

[Julian]

But that's the thing you can agree upon. Say you agree upon a campaign or how something's supposed to be rolled out. Out.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

But the way in which one person wants to roll it out, the manager is slightly. Not even like, drastically different, but slightly different than how the artist wants to do it.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Or like, something as simple as this. If you have an asset to post for a music video or a song, the artist wants this one, the manager and the label or whoever wants this one. What do I. What happens?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

And I never want to make those decisions, but I was forced to do it all the time.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Which is why you just reply to everyone, copying, copy, copy, and just do whatever the you want to do.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I deleted the photo, and thank God Sean and I are still friends today.

[Mal]

Well, we'll. We'll have to see what happens with Jules. I know her phone is going crazy right now, so I didn't. I started seeing. I was gonna reach out and text her just to kind of figure out what was going on, but I hit her probably like, in another week or something.

[Rory]

I mean, you should check on her.

[Mal]

Yeah, no, not. I'm not trying to get information. That's another thing, too. When you do a podcast, like, people think that when you're hitting them about some shit, like, it's to, like, gain. Talk about on a platform. It's like, no, like, I really with you, like, and I'm just, like, just checking on you as a person. Like, I don't. I'm not looking for any information to bring to my platform.

[Rory]

Yeah. I think I had that moment with Desus whenever.

[Mal]

Oh, I can't say that, because then they think that I'm not trying to grow the podcast.

[Rory]

Oh, well, I defended you on Discord.

[Mal]

Hard. Yeah.

[Rory]

Pause pretty hard on Discord. I was championing for you and how.

[Mal]

I saw. Somebody said that I said podcasting is corny. I never said that. I never said that.

[Rory]

I was. What did cons call us? Cheerleaders or mascots?

[Mal]

Mascots.

[Rory]

I was your mascot in discord last night when people questioned me about that entire thing of how people can interpret that as saying, you don't want to grow the podcast. I can understand that this portion is something you're uncomfortable with, but that's just one part of growing a podcast. And that's crazy where when you have a partner, I'll text people and there's things I wonder. And that's how you reach out to.

[Mal]

Have people on my platform. I'm not reaching out to somebody for me to be on their platform. That's all I was saying.

[Julian]

A podcast grows from concrete.

[Rory]

That is. That is true.

[Mal]

I mean, we would know that. Like, we are like the.

[Rory]

We were given.

[Mal]

We're like the forefathers of this podcast.

[Rory]

No, we were given this.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

I walked outside and they said, here.

[Mal]

That's true. Kind of just fell into your laps. Yeah.

[Rory]

I wasn't sitting outside of. At 6am paranoid as before any of this. Was it on Fulton? In. In Brooklyn?

[Damaris]

Downtown.

[Rory]

Yeah. Then the Fulton mall area.

[Damaris]

Good times.

[Rory]

That whole strip in the summertime.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I miss New York. You remember, like, when New York was.

[Mal]

In New York, you can get outfit or you can get killed.

[Rory]

50, 50 or, like, so many options.

[Damaris]

It was all right there.

[Rory]

And then they put Shake Shack there, and it was like, all right, Shake Shack. I never need to leave.

[Mal]

Cut. Stab shot some Tims.

[Rory]

You get a college degree.

[Mal]

College degree. Yes.

[Damaris]

Shout out to Liu.

[Rory]

It's all. It's all right there.

[Mal]

Right there. Whatever you want.

[Rory]

That's Brooklyn in a nutshell. Absolutely everything that you just said. Absolutely. Before we do get to voicemails, we were having a conversation off mic that Gilbert Arenas and Swaggy P was super corny. For those that didn't see the clip.

[Mal]

Yeah, it's corny, but that's what people want. People want corny. People want lame. People want that.

[Rory]

Let's. Let's play the clip.

[Mal]

People don't want Stand up real. They want Corny Pregnant.

[Julian]

Pregnant.

[Rory]

Got the young boy.

[Mal]

Damn. They only knew. But, like, I was shocked too, though, like. Like that day when I was riding home with Philly in the car.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I don't know if I could tell that story if you want me to tell that story.

[Rory]

Don't they do a sports show?

[Mal]

She's a mother now. Yeah, we can't do that because that day was. That day changed my life.

[Rory]

She's a mother now. But let's do exactly what we said we weren't gonna do.

[Mal]

IEP was like, okay, now I gotta. This is what NBA Is about, hey, listen.

[Rory]

Hey, NBA, listen. I'll let you know.

[Mal]

This is. Yeah. I mean, I'm riding in the car. He in the back seat. I turned my head against. What was you doing? That back seat. What was you doing?

[Julian]

Yeah. Let's say everything except the obvious explicit. What we're leaning into telling people exactly what happened. That's so corny.

[Damaris]

I don't know why y'all be surprised when ball players and people.

[Mal]

That was loose. Surprise. Somebody's surprised.

[Julian]

He said, she's a mother now. She has two kids.

[Rory]

And I'm hypocritical because I love a lot of Gilbert's antics that probably are just as bad as this. But. All right, I'm gonna use this as a buffet. I'm picking and choosing. This is corny. As.

[Mal]

Yes, I listen. You're not gonna find. Well, yes, it's corny.

[Rory]

When he used to terrorize Swaggy Peace kids. I was laughing non stop. Yeah, I thought it was hilarious.

[Mal]

But this is. But this.

[Rory]

I'm a hypocrite. So this is cor. Corny.

[Mal]

Yeah, but this is what the. The. This is what the audience likes. They like corny. They like gossipy. They like tabloid.

[Rory]

What about this?

[Mal]

They like lame.

[Rory]

All right, so in one man, I found out that Dreya gave Gilbert Arena's head in the backseat of a car however many years ago.

[Mal]

No.

[Julian]

No way.

[Rory]

All right, now. Now what?

[Mal]

Yeah, but that's.

[Rory]

What about this is liked.

[Mal]

No, that's just to the conversation that people were having about Dre's past already. This is just the new chapter to add into that Passover. People didn't know that she fell Gilbert in the backseat of the car.

[Damaris]

Whose business is it, though?

[Mal]

But this is. No, but this is. Follow what I'm saying. This is just part of the. To add to the conversation that's already happening about Draya. That's what I'm saying. Yes, it's corny. But that conversation is already happening online when she came out and announced she was pregnant by a 22 year old Jalen Green. Okay, so that's part of. Now it's like, oh, shit. She. She was with Gilbert, too. Now it's just two. Two. He's just another name in the book. That's all it is. But people already having this conversation. That's why I'm like, I'm agreeing with y'all. It's corny. It's lame. For to sit around and talk publicly about. Yeah, I had that. That's gonna always be corny. But What I'm saying is, now corny is content. People don't give a. This probably got me that clip probably got millions of views. Nobody gives a about it being corny, but they watching it. They sharing it. They sending it to somebody else. They. They talking about it on podcast now. Like, this is what I'm saying. Like, people don't care that it's corny. It's content. People just want to talk about it. Yes, it's corny, but niggas don't have integrity no more. That's an old man sport integrity. That's a dying sport. Having integrity.

[Rory]

I've seen.

[Mal]

This is what. This is what's lit right now. Yo, tell us everything. I say it all the time. When you try to be private and you try to keep shit, you acting weird. Oh, you acting weird. You moving fuck. Yo. What. Yo, who you was fucking with last night? Yo, come on, tell me who you was with now when you don't want to talk about that.

[Rory]

Well, really. No, no.

[Mal]

You acting funny. You being a weirdo. Why you. Why you moving like you. You sus. You moving suspect. Because I don't want to tell you who I was last night.

[Rory]

That's a big difference, though, I think, between what you're saying and this.

[Mal]

No, it's not who I was.

[Rory]

People want to know is.

[Mal]

People want to know everything. They want to know everything.

[Rory]

Talking about who I.

[Mal]

Because she's in the headlines, they want to know everything.

[Rory]

Corniest content. Now I'm with.

[Mal]

Tell me who she fucked. Tell me who she sucked. Tell me. I want to know every. People want to know everything about Dre now. They want to know everything. So that could be more to their fuel of saying, oh, she's a whore.

[Rory]

She's a predator.

[Mal]

And I'm not saying she's not. I'm not saying she's not. I'm just saying this is just more to add to that conversation that's already happening.

[Rory]

If I've seen corny content work. What about this worked Woman that has been known to sleep with athletes got pregnant by athlete, and then athlete says they also her.

[Mal]

Yeah, but it's not.

[Rory]

I've seen corny content make for good content. Like, it was corny that they told this story, but it was a full conversation. Was what? This is just flat. This isn't even content.

[Damaris]

No. Yeah, Nobody.

[Rory]

This is down.

[Mal]

No, no, no, no, no, no. So now. Now I'm gonna hit you with the new that y'all be like to say, did you see the rest of the clip?

[Rory]

I Didn't exactly.

[Mal]

So shut the up. Because you don't know. We don't know what they went. I don't know. I'm not watching this shit. But I'm just trying to tell you that that's what people want. They're gonna take that clip, send that shit all around the fucking world. But ain't nobody watched the rest of this fucking episode or IG live that Gil and Nick was doing to understand what the whole premise of the whole conversation was.

[Julian]

You think they told more stories about Dreya?

[Mal]

I don't know. They probably did.

[Rory]

All right. The only other context to this would be like, yeah, she then took my dick out of her mouth and had a great exit strategy for Ukraine. Like, what other context is here?

[Mal]

I don't know. This is a 53 second.

[Rory]

What did they. What did they cut out of this story? You're missing the details.

[Mal]

You're watching a 53 second clip and you're reacting to a 53 second clip.

[Damaris]

Yeah, because it was 53 seconds of corn ass shit.

[Mal]

But what I'm saying is you didn't watch anything else from this conversation that Nick and Gil had to tie it together and say, oh, this is why they was talking about this. Is this clip corny? 100%. I'm with y'all on that. That. But what I'm trying to tell you is this is what people want. They want corny. They want lame. They want to see women disrespected. They want. That's what they want. They want that. You think they didn't know what they was doing by mentioning. You think they didn't know? Like, of course things know. You clip that, clip that.

[Damaris]

I think if you're really talented at your job, if your job is making content and talking to people, I think if you're really talented at it, you don't have to be clickbaity. I think if you're actually talented going into.

[Mal]

You going into a conversation that's been had since, you know, like, that's the old conversation you have. And like, yeah, get the out of here to that. You just said, shut up. My clip got 7 million views. What you gonna tell somebody when you know dating don't care? As long as people is clicking on it and sharing it and viewing it, they don't care that you think like, yo, nah, it don't need to be clickbaity. I. You sound like me. So now you sound like me. I'll be in here saying the same to y'all. Y'all be like, yo, I'm like, bro, no, this is clickbaity, though. I don't want to do that. And then y'all tell me I'm wrong.

[Rory]

Okay, so did you. Drea, let's get down to it.

[Julian]

I wish I was gonna break down this clip real quick.

[Rory]

Mall says he wished he Drea.

[Mal]

See, now you clip it. Now your man gonna clip that and put that on his YouTube.

[Damaris]

That's what I get.

[Mal]

And now Dre gonna make a video cursing me out.

[Damaris]

That's what I.

[Mal]

Because I said I want to. For your.

[Damaris]

That's what I get from. Because it seems like you're proud to have the groupie. Like, that's like, you're excited. Like, is she the celebrity, or are.

[Rory]

You a great point.

[Mal]

Nah, she made a great.

[Rory]

She does.

[Mal]

How long I've been saying is groupies for groupies.

[Rory]

You. You actually invented that quote, which I think is incredible.

[Mal]

This ain't new. This doesn't. This ain't new. We just got social media. Got cameras now and lights and my favorite part. And microphones. And they said, ain't no.

[Rory]

They did that on an iPhone 13, though.

[Julian]

Nick Young said watching retroactively without explicitly saying it. He said, watching you get head. Turning around and watching you get head in the car changed my life.

[Rory]

This is what the NBA is about.

[Julian]

That's what Nick Young said.

[Mal]

Well, because Nick, he also.

[Rory]

He also played with Kobe.

[Julian]

Watching you get mopped off in a car changed my life.

[Mal]

Well, because Nick was a young player at the time, I think he probably was a rookie coming into the league.

[Julian]

Staring at your teammate getting head changed your life.

[Mal]

No, but it's a.

[Damaris]

It's a girl from Bad Bitches in the Back Cars in high school. It's a girl. Cause he was in the gym. It's a girl that not getting pussy.

[Mal]

You'Ve seen in videos, and she's one of the prettiest girls on the Internet. And now she's in the backseat with your teammate getting right to it. Change your life playing Find the keys. You see what I'm saying?

[Rory]

That's what the NBA is about.

[Mal]

So then you like, well, shit. This is what the. This is what Wearing the Jerry west logo get you like, okay, welcome to the NBA. That's what it is. You wear that patch now. It's like, okay, yeah, the girl you used to just be drooling over, look what she doing to you. And she drooling on your man in the backseat. Now, that's part of the game. But you can't. Yes, I agree once again. It's corny and lame for men to be discussing what they're doing with women. Yes, I agree. But it's not corny anymore because now corny can be taken off the cob and turned into corn souffle and be a clip with fucking millions of views that goes straight to your AdSense account. And just now you can buy a new Ferrari and like that. So is it really corny? Yeah.

[Rory]

Jalen should have gotten a car with Gilbert Arenas is what you're saying. You should have taken those steps.

[Mal]

No, I'm saying that if.

[Julian]

If Gilbert makes life again.

[Mal]

Yeah, if Gilbert. If Gilbert didn't have the wherewithal to have Nick in the car that night.

[Rory]

To wherewithal.

[Mal]

Yeah. If he didn't have the wherewithal, who.

[Julian]

Knows where Swaggy Peace career would have gone.

[Mal]

Exactly. See what I'm saying? Look how your aligned with mine's nasty.

[Rory]

We don't really speak to the importance of the mentor mentee experience.

[Mal]

Exactly.

[Rory]

And how important it is to their lives.

[Mal]

Right. You know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

Because he did. I mean, everything that happened with him and Iggy, like, yeah, of course he took his tutelage to the next level.

[Mal]

My people said something interesting about the whole Dre. Jaylen Green, I don't want to say her name. I don't know if she want me to say her name, but she posted something about Dre about the whole Drea Jalen Green situation, saying that we need to go deep into it because is really. The story is really sick because I think Draya used was a mentor to Jalen Green's girlfriend at one point.

[Julian]

Oh, that's nice.

[Mal]

So it's like a little deeper, more sinister, you know? And I'm just like, I don't really care to get into that shit deep enough like that, but if that is true, that is crazy.

[Rory]

Listen, man, a wise gay thug once said, the game is the game. Omar Littles, he also.

[Julian]

I believe I saw a post that Jalen got her name. Tad. He's all inked up. I was. I saw a post that said he added her name to his body. So, you know, love is love.

[Mal]

Reverence, man. Let love win, you know, Let love in and let love win. That's all.

[Rory]

Is it a problem if you just, like, tat your bm, even if you're not together? Like if you got your kids, like, just put your whole family there.

[Julian]

Oh, like the sticker on the car.

[Rory]

Yeah, just like everyone, you know, put the. Put the guest list, the family reunion tatted on You.

[Mal]

I'm the wrong. I don't have a single tattoo. I'm the wrong person to ask that. You can ask this gentleman with Marvin Gay's Scully tatted on his arm.

[Julian]

You know, just the wizard over here.

[Mal]

The wizard of tattoos.

[Rory]

That might get you into some trouble eventually.

[Julian]

Why?

[Mal]

This family is going to. The state is going to sue him.

[Rory]

No, that. Well, that too.

[Julian]

They take my honor.

[Rory]

Every time you flex. It's a sound wave that they own the publishing on the gay.

[Mal]

The gay estate is coming after you.

[Rory]

When you settle down and like have a long term girlfriend or wife and you're getting more tattoos. She could come up with that.

[Mal]

That.

[Rory]

That girl logic that you would have Marvin Gaye tattooed on you, but you wouldn't have.

[Julian]

You think I'd be attracted to a woman that would come come up with this illogical logic?

[Rory]

Women. That's just a woman thing though. You can't really escape that.

[Damaris]

So you wouldn't touch your wife on.

[Julian]

You, Nate, Like a written name?

[Damaris]

No, no, I didn't say a written name. I said you wouldn't touch your wife.

[Julian]

I would get a symbol that reminds me of her. Yeah, like a symbolic thing. I'm not getting her face like Marvin Gaye's death said.

[Mal]

Huh? Huh What?

[Rory]

Nothing.

[Julian]

Say it. Overlord.

[Mal]

Overlord. Do we have voicemails? You've got mail.

[Julian]

This is a. Okay. Australian caller.

[Mal]

The.

[Julian]

The accent's fun. Calling with a riddle. So it's very.

[Mal]

Riddle.

[Julian]

Yeah. Ready?

[Mal]

We have to answer it.

[Damaris]

G'day, y'all.

[Mal]

My name's Emma. Sending love all the way from Australia. Huge fan of the pod. Keep doing what you doing. So I had this riddle on another podcast and I thought it would be.

[Damaris]

An interesting discussion point for you guys.

[Mal]

So say there's a man. We'll call him Jeff. And he's dating two women. We'll call them Amanda and Becky. He's dating them at the same time.

[Damaris]

He tells Amanda that he's dating Becky, but he doesn't tell Becky that he's a date. He's dating Amanda.

[Rory]

Checking the temple.

[Mal]

Does Jeff love slash care about more?

[Damaris]

There's no right answer.

[Mal]

I just thought it would be an.

[Damaris]

Interesting discussion point for you guys to talk about.

[Mal]

Can't wait to hear your thoughts.

[Rory]

Thanks.

[Julian]

There is the right answer.

[Mal]

Thank you for that, Emma.

[Rory]

What's the riddle?

[Damaris]

He cares more about Becky.

[Julian]

So he's a man.

[Mal]

He cares more about the girl he's.

[Damaris]

Not telling the girl he's lying to is the girl he cares about.

[Julian]

Agreed.

[Mal]

Or that girl can Fight. So you scared of her.

[Julian]

Well, let's catch Roy up to speed real quick.

[Mal]

And she got.

[Rory]

She got no. Or he got brothers and the temperature. And the one he told how many brothers she got fucking other girls who got.

[Mal]

Who got more.

[Julian]

You always lie to the one you like more.

[Rory]

True.

[Damaris]

Yeah, because. And then y'all talking about girl logic. Men just makes so much sense.

[Mal]

Right?

[Damaris]

That just makes.

[Julian]

Well, why have one when you can have two?

[Rory]

Or he's.

[Mal]

Oh, you just said something. Yeah.

[Julian]

Talk about.

[Rory]

That's what I'm saying. With checking the temperature. It may not be the one he cares about. Nick.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

The one that's more into him. Other girls he tells first to check her temperature, and then they both ease into telling the other one no.

[Mal]

Well, which one is more of your. Which one is like the girlfriend? Cause you gotta have the one that's the girlfriend.

[Rory]

The one he's lying to.

[Julian]

The one he's lying to is the one he cares.

[Mal]

The ones he's lying to is the girlfriend. The other girl is his side, but she's a good side because she knows he's probably still fucking with other girls. She's not the only one. But they hook up and have, you know, their time together. So, yeah, you lied to, but I don't. And women say, yo, why you should just tell me? Maybe I would have been cool with it. Women love to get that off. Off. Like, why you didn't just tell me? Maybe I would have been cool with you having a side.

[Rory]

You're right.

[Mal]

Cut the. Cut it the out.

[Rory]

That's classic entrapment.

[Mal]

Cut it out. When a woman says that, I almost want to check for a wire. Yeah, you got a wire on. Only somebody that's trying to get me jammed up would say something like that.

[Rory]

I just feel like there's too many scorpions and things that can kill you in Australia. Not like, why be faithful? You could die tomorrow. Everything in Australia kills you.

[Julian]

Why the Australia.

[Rory]

Why the would you be faithful?

[Julian]

Go to a concert in America. Go to a movie theater.

[Mal]

You ain't got to do that. Yeah. Just walk outside.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

In New York City.

[Rory]

Okay, I. I might take our awful gun laws compared to crocodiles and great white sharks that can team up and attack me in shallow water.

[Mal]

But yeah, you have.

[Rory]

There's. There's insects that you have to walk.

[Mal]

Outside water in order.

[Julian]

There are so many more deaths in this country's.

[Mal]

Worried about the sharks in Australia.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

He's like, yeah, there's sharks in the note. Yeah. But you have to be In. That's how it works.

[Damaris]

I ain't gonna lie. I'd rather be shot in my forehead three times than to have a snake crawl about my toilet while I'm taking a. Shoot me. Kill me. I'm good.

[Mal]

White the.

[Rory]

So you guys watch National Geographic? Australia is the scariest place on earth.

[Julian]

America is the scariest place on earth.

[Mal]

No, Chicago's the scariest place on earth. The Bronx right now.

[Rory]

Go to Gaza right now and tell someone you scared of Chicago.

[Mal]

Go to Webster Ave. In the Bronx right now. Go to SA side right now. Little over there going crazy is drilling everything over there.

[Rory]

At least I like I could give up an asset and they may not kill me. Scorpions don't care everything. Have you seen a kangaroo? Like, in shape?

[Julian]

They're all in shape.

[Mal]

Yeah, but a kangaroo ain't going. You're not going to be in Whole Foods and turn on a kangaroo standing behind you ready to scrap.

[Rory]

If you. If you're at. If you're at Riker, you gotta be in the wilderness. All right, you take your pick. This is the. The Riker showdown. A or an in shape kangaroo on the yard. C78 right there. I'm fighting the Crip.

[Mal]

Nah, I'm fighting the kangaroo.

[Julian]

This is one of my favorite videos of all time.

[Mal]

So I, homie, just snuffed that kangaroo. That was it. That's all you gotta do sometimes. Just let a taste his own blood in his mouth.

[Rory]

I would do that for Baze.

[Damaris]

I would definitely do it for my dad.

[Julian]

Snap.

[Rory]

Baze would be in her pouch as it ran away.

[Julian]

Just now, the kangaroo had the dog in a headlock.

[Mal]

Yeah, See, he put.

[Rory]

You see how he's like a King Corso.

[Mal]

Yeah. Like, back up, yo, what's up?

[Rory]

He ate that punch.

[Damaris]

He squared up. That's the way he squared up with the kangaroo.

[Julian]

Some of the clearest footage of all time. Yeah. Turn your back on a kangaroo is crazy.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You know his hardest punch. And the kangaroo sat there and looked at him like, yo.

[Mal]

Yeah, but then you so happened after that, he squid ran off too, though.

[Rory]

No, the dude ran off after he realized his best work didn't do anything.

[Mal]

All right. You punch a like that in the face on the yard and see if he just run off like that. That ain't happening.

[Rory]

I'm saying the Rikers kangaroo is not acting the way this kangaroo did.

[Julian]

Bang.

[Rory]

If you put institutionalized, if that's even a word. Kangaroo and Rikers, right? That it. It's the contraband. It could hide in its pouch.

[Mal]

Smack the out that kangaroo. Give a about that kangaroo.

[Julian]

They've short reach.

[Damaris]

They got short arms.

[Julian]

Looks like it. Looks like it should. The legs are long as.

[Rory]

Yeah. Imagine being in a cell with that type of leverage with your legs.

[Julian]

You know how they fight though? Usually they're not punch throwers. They'll. They'll lean on the back of their tail and kick.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

So they'll. They'll hit you with all that leg strength, which is a lot.

[Mal]

Scared of no. Kangaroo.

[Julian]

Kangaroo.

[Damaris]

You could rob me with a snake, yo. Terrified.

[Mal]

Rob me with a snake.

[Damaris]

I'm dead serious. I'm terrified.

[Mal]

Don't tell no Puerto Ricans on the Grand Concourse that you know them niggas. Can't wait till it get warm out. They put all these snakes around their neck. Walk outside.

[Julian]

Look at that. You squaring up with that.

[Rory]

That was a deal breaker for me with a girl I was talking to a long time ago.

[Julian]

Pit bulls were scary.

[Rory]

She didn't strike me as the girl that would like have a snake in her crib. And she was one of those type.

[Mal]

Of girls she owned, like, exotic.

[Rory]

I mean, granted, I beat. But after that it was. And I liked her.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I'm just not hanging out at your crib with a snake.

[Mal]

Yeah, you gotta watch out for those girls that's like Dr. Dolittle go in their crib and they just got a bunch of exotics. Yeah. Like, yo, like, I don't. Is this even legal if you got.

[Julian]

Heat lamps in your crib? That's weird.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's.

[Julian]

Fuck you do with this red ass light.

[Mal]

But, but, but women that are into animals like that are really good people though. Like, they're, you know, they're very nurturing and very.

[Julian]

Sometimes I fucked a chick that had a rabbit.

[Mal]

Which one? There's a different type of rabbits. Shout out to rabbit movers if you need your stuff moved. Shout out to rabbit movers. My guys. Shout out to. Are you still moving? No, I'm just saying just want to shout them out. Shout out to rabbit movers, man.

[Rory]

Just a quick trigger warning. This voicemail contains conversation about. Cancel.

[Anonymous Caller]

Hey, guys. I'm gonna keep my name anonymous because I don't know who watches the pod. And it's a very specific story and I wanted you guys to weigh on, weigh in on it. It reminded me after today's IG clip that you guys were talking. So two part story. This dude we went to high school with, he was engaged at one time. They had the relationship. They had a dog. He cheated. So the Girl kept the dog and renamed it. We think that's hilarious. Part two of that is he's now in a new situation where he's engaged and he has a group chat with his friends where there's a bachelor party going on. And he hits the bachelor. Bachelor party chat saying, hey, bachelor party's off and the wedding's off too. His friend then comes into the chat and says, yeah, the wedding and bachelor party are off because XYZB has been my wife. The plot thickens because the wife has canceled her. In other turn of events is there was a conversation at one point where both parties were having a conversation about being swingers and each other. And so the guy went to high school's fiance or ex fiance now was not down for that situation. So he just went and the. His boy's wife. And so we don't kind of know where to draw the line. Is it because we had kids or what? But I want to see what you guys have to say about it. Thank you.

[Rory]

I don't even mind keeping this in. Can we listen to that one more time? I tried my best to follow that and I'm very lucky.

[Julian]

Yeah, I think what he said. We'll listen to it again. But I think what he's saying is he's trying to apply the logic of if someone in this situation has cancer, should they be allowed to whoever they want? But there's way more going on here.

[Rory]

We already.

[Julian]

There's a lot of layers going on.

[Rory]

We already cracked that answer last episode.

[Mal]

Yeah, correct.

[Julian]

We smoked that one. Okay, but let's. Let's give this one more go through.

[Rory]

And I'm actually going to type notes while it's happening. Happening.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

This is a whole chart. I can't figure out my.

[Julian]

This is how crazy this one was. My note for this one was white people, each other all crazy because clearly this is a white guy.

[Mal]

Clearly.

[Rory]

Ironically. You know what my first question out of this entire thing was? How old was the dog when they changed the name?

[Julian]

True. And doesn't know it's.

[Mal]

Look at what Rory cares about.

[Rory]

That's nuts.

[Mal]

After like seven years, though, do you think you're just calling your dog your dog?

[Rory]

Like, yo, why are you yelling that word?

[Mal]

Yeah, like, yo, what are you saying? I don't know whether I should lay down, roll over like. Like, yeah, who are you talking to?

[Julian]

And how different is the name? Do you think they kept, like, at least the. A similar sound or tone to the original name?

[Mal]

I. I don't think the dogs care about their Names.

[Julian]

Well, I think dogs respond to, like, the tone.

[Rory]

Yeah. They hear the tone of.

[Julian]

So if you say, like, Basley, and I steal Basley and call her Paisley.

[Mal]

And then it may still.

[Rory]

It may still work out.

[Julian]

Yeah. But if you're like, if I steal Bailey and call her Mark, now she's trans.

[Rory]

Yeah, she had trouble responding to Basley.

[Mal]

Mark. Mark is not working all the way up.

[Julian]

All right, let's play this again. Take notes.

[Anonymous Caller]

Hey, guys, I'm gonna keep my name anonymous because I don't know who watches the pod. And it's a very specific story.

[Rory]

Just stop for a second.

[Anonymous Caller]

Just to weigh on. Weigh in on it. It reminded me after she.

[Rory]

This is the most specific story I've ever heard in my life. And he's saying, I want to be anonymous in case anyone here. Do you think anyone in this story is going to hear this and go, must be someone else?

[Julian]

This happens all the time.

[Rory]

Why are you anonymous?

[Mal]

Well, it depends on what town you're from. This may happen all the time.

[Rory]

Where do you think this is crazy?

[Julian]

Where do you think this happened?

[Mal]

Middle America, for sure. Red state for sure.

[Rory]

I feel like this may have happened in, like, Montclair, New Jersey.

[Julian]

I was going to say like Connecticut. I was going to throw Connecticut.

[Rory]

I don't think this is as far as we think of this.

[Mal]

Nah, this is middle America.

[Julian]

All right.

[Mal]

I know a good middle America love triangle.

[Rory]

Middle America doesn't give up their dogs. So that's why I'm going with New Jersey.

[Mal]

New Jersey don't give up their dogs.

[Damaris]

Yes, they do.

[Mal]

No. Who you know in New Jersey gave up their dog? Niggas will kill a dog before they give it up. Give up their dog.

[Rory]

Kill their wife before they kill their dog.

[Mal]

Yeah. Or kill their wife before they give.

[Rory]

Up their dog and then renaming it.

[Mal]

That ain't happening in Jersey. Jersey. They had their dogs and they had, like, holiday cards in Jersey, man. Listen.

[Damaris]

Alex had her dog in her holiday card.

[Julian]

That's funny.

[Mal]

Go ahead.

[Anonymous Caller]

Today's IG clip that you guys were talking. So two part story. This dude we went to high school with, he was engaged at one time. They had the relationship. They had a dog. He cheated, so the girl kept the dog and renamed it. We think that's hilarious. Part two of that is he's now in a new situation where he's engaged and he has a group chat with his friends where there's a bachelor party going on, and he hits the bachelor. Bachelor party chat saying, hey, bachelor party's off and the wedding's off, too. His friend then comes into the chat and says, yeah, the wedding and bachelor party are off because XYZ has been my wife.

[Julian]

Okay, wait. Okay, I'm.

[Rory]

I'm on Step by Step. I get it so far. Okay, go ahead. The dog thing is not very important. It's a relative. This guy was engaged once.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Dog left with it. He got engaged again. He was about to have his bachelor party. He went in the group chat with all of his friends and said, yo, second time a wedding is off. A friend that was also in that group chat that was part of his bachelor party said, yeah, it's off because he fucked my wife.

[Julian]

Meaning the guy.

[Rory]

The guy that's in the bachelor chat now said, it's all. He followed up with the. The weddings off guy gave reason. Friend said, yeah, your wedding's off because you my wife.

[Damaris]

Yeah. So the groom was one of his friends.

[Mal]

Yes, yes.

[Rory]

That's why New Jersey.

[Julian]

All right, all right. So I think we're caught this. Okay, let's see. Because it gets a little wordy here.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Anonymous Caller]

The plot thickens because the wife has cancer.

[Julian]

Can we. What kind of cancer?

[Mal]

I'm gonna say ovarian.

[Damaris]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Julian]

Speculate. We're speculating.

[Damaris]

Okay. No, no.

[Mal]

Why is that a no?

[Julian]

Ass cancer.

[Damaris]

Why are you saying ovarian?

[Rory]

Because woman.

[Damaris]

Women catch all of the cancers.

[Mal]

Okay. Maybe breast first, ovarian next, brain cancer.

[Rory]

Because you know, the logic.

[Julian]

She got bad taste in men is.

[Rory]

Wait, hold on. Is he marrying her for, like, medical reasons so he can, like, make decisions?

[Damaris]

No, he's not marrying her.

[Rory]

Oh, the. Wait, he. The cancer girl.

[Julian]

Yes.

[Rory]

Yeah, I thought so.

[Julian]

Then this. This is what. This is what introduces our scenario. Should the cancer woman be cool? Because in her scenario, she has cancer, so therefore her pussy is good at. Get it all out out, friends.

[Rory]

Girl who has cancer. I'm still. I'm just trying to keep my eye.

[Mal]

I feel like we just like, hacked this. Like, we broke this code a few days ago.

[Julian]

The dog is.

[Rory]

But now we have a real scenario.

[Mal]

Yeah. It's going to come back to the dog.

[Julian]

The dog somehow.

[Rory]

Because I think I'm.

[Mal]

We over skipping that dog. That context.

[Rory]

The dog.

[Julian]

The dog is on Mark.

[Mal]

We sleep. We sleeping on Rover.

[Rory]

And I think I'm going to change my opinion of our last conversation with the cancer thing.

[Julian]

Okay. Right. All right, let's keep you.

[Anonymous Caller]

Another turn of events is there was a conversation at one point where both parties were having a conversation about being swingers and each other. And so the guy Went to high school's fiance or ex fiance now was not down for that situation.

[Julian]

The woman who got the dog.

[Damaris]

No different.

[Mal]

The new engagement fiance.

[Damaris]

The newest fiance.

[Rory]

Oh, yes.

[Damaris]

She wasn't down with the swing.

[Julian]

You ain't even do that for clarifying. Okay, let's get.

[Anonymous Caller]

So he just went and the. His boy's wife. So we don't kind of know where to draw the line. Is it because he had kids or what? But I want to see what you guys have to say about it.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

All right, hold on, hold on.

[Julian]

Maris took very good notes.

[Rory]

Is. I don't think the friends. The scumbag we thought he was. They had talked about the swinging thing. So he went and did what they had talked about his.

[Damaris]

First of all, his fiance specifically said what he did.

[Rory]

There was no even exchange. But went and did what they said.

[Mal]

They were going to do.

[Julian]

Because you discuss it doesn't mean go.

[Mal]

Do it like forward. Yeah, like what the. Yeah, yeah.

[Julian]

Rory, I'm going to go borrow your car. You're like, no. And I just take your keys.

[Mal]

It don't work like that now.

[Rory]

But if the four of us have cars and your car doesn't want to be a part of it, I'm still going to go drive that other car.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Damaris]

Even though your car is leaking oil.

[Rory]

Because of the cancer.

[Mal]

That's the cancer situation.

[Julian]

That's her uterus.

[Rory]

Okay, wait, so that's her uterus is sick.

[Mal]

I heard that's her uterus.

[Rory]

Just the final detail. The guy that was getting married went and his friend's wife. I thought his friend was about to be upset about it, but clearly he was fine with it because he wanted his friend to his wife.

[Damaris]

But not if he didn't get to his friend's wife.

[Rory]

We don't. We don't know the particulars of that swingers conversation. So maybe he just wanted to watch his friend. His wife. Some people are into that Hulk Hogan and all them looking at that story about that story was nuts. So his wife just got mad because that's cheating because she wasn't part of the entire thing. I think the friend and wife is actually separate and doesn't really matter in the story. He wanted his friend to his wife and he went and his wife. No harm, no foul. Let's go to the bachelor party.

[Julian]

No harm, no foul.

[Rory]

Is that's what they wanted. It's just the wife was like, hey, when you guys were joking about that. I know. No, don't her. I don't want your friend to me trying to have a swingers conversation with someone that's not into swinging. One of the most arrogant things you could do. And then go ahead and do it.

[Mal]

Yeah. Like, yo, with or without you, this is happening.

[Julian]

Yeah, I'm gonna. Yeah, yeah.

[Mal]

This is this train. You could be in front of this train or you could be behind this train.

[Rory]

And you gotta imagine that's a bachelor party chat. So they're about to do a bachelor party. If you're that girl and you found out that your man, his friend's wife. What is gonna happen at that bachelor party? If that's just some regular. Like, you just wait. You just your man's wife on the. Just on a Tuesday.

[Damaris]

Because is she the entertainment? Is she going with y'all?

[Rory]

What the. Are you gonna. Are y'all gonna each other at that bachelor party? If swinging is some regular. What is the bachelor party?

[Mal]

Yeah, see, that's why. See? Yeah, sure. Like that. It's like, all right, bro, if I'm.

[Julian]

Homie that called in. I selfishly a way to get everybody together. Because this would be an incredible moment.

[Mal]

To just get everybody together and have hidden cameras.

[Julian]

Yeah. Yes. That's the route. I'm thinking.

[Rory]

Add us to the.

[Mal]

And now we gotta put us.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Let us know people be like, take us out of group chat. No, add us.

[Julian]

Yeah. Let us moderate that interaction. That'd be fun.

[Mal]

Facetime me. I want to see.

[Julian]

I want to be there.

[Mal]

What do.

[Julian]

What city are you in? If our show is nearby, come on stage. That is.

[Mal]

That is.

[Julian]

We need them on stage.

[Damaris]

And this is what.

[Rory]

I wish I had better group chat.

[Damaris]

This is why I think that the homeboy whose wife got isn't okay with it. Because if we all are having a conversation, the four of us, about swinging and your wife is like, no, it's a dub. And we all decide, okay, his wife isn't with it. We're not doing it. But you go and my wife. Anyway. You really, really wanted to my wife. Because now it's not just like a swingers thing where this is an even exchange and we're all having like some big ecstasy infused party. No, you went after this conversation, went to the side. And still my wife. Like, you've been thinking about my wife.

[Rory]

For a while, I think. No, but I think that was.

[Mal]

Was.

[Rory]

I think his friend is fine with it. I think his friend was just updating the group chat of why it was over. Like, yo, he. No, because he. He. My wife. I think he was fine with it. Yeah, I think he was totally fine with It I think his fiance probably went through his phone or something and found out that he his friend's wife I think the guy the friend and the friend's wife all three of them were in on the they were fine with it. They they would talk about swinging to begin with. She doesn't won't participate still go my wife. I just think the wife found out and I think the friend just updated the group chat like yo lol it's cuz he Susan.

[Julian]

Saying lol someone my.

[Mal]

Wife yeah you can't lol it's not nobody's laughing out loud.

[Julian]

You can't laugh your way out of.

[Mal]

That and and matter of fact show me who laughed out loud Somebody you.

[Rory]

Think someone you think now you gotta.

[Julian]

Laugh double tapped it and said haha he's like for sure.

[Mal]

That's what group chats are for. Like you have to laugh at trauma and pain you have to in a group chat.

[Julian]

I wonder what happened to the dog.

[Mal]

Dog just trying to figure out who they keep calling the dog and the.

[Rory]

Ex dodged a bullet is what happened.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Who they keep that the real winner is the dog and the ax.

[Mal]

Yeah the dog got the away from that whole situation out of there. Hell yeah. I mean well let us know what city you at we would love to talk about this in person.

[Damaris]

Yeah let us know what city you at home. I think homeboy this is where the dog ties in I think homeboy that called in to talk about his friends I think he wants to the ex wife because why you bring her her dog up like why that's even on the top of your brain this wild ass story is wild enough why that's on the top of your brain that.

[Julian]

He used to be well he liked the anecdote that they changed the dog's name which pretty funny. I'm I'm glad that he just felt compelled to mention that he wanted to.

[Rory]

That or he was just setting the tone of of how up this guy has been in every relationship story is like this guy is 0 for 2 in the craziest ways.

[Mal]

Yeah he's picking the wrong women Call.

[Julian]

Back tell us what the dog's names.

[Damaris]

Are Picking the wrong woman. When he cheated on his wife with his friend's wife how's he picking the.

[Mal]

Wrong women because one of them has cancer.

[Rory]

Yeah we actually he didn't pick her.

[Damaris]

He picked the healthy one.

[Mal]

Oh the one with cancer. He the healthy one is crazy.

[Rory]

He's looking at this long term it's.

[Julian]

Like a ripe it is like an.

[Mal]

Avocado so you got to pick.

[Rory]

He wants to grow old with her.

[Mal]

You gotta rub them. Yeah, see, there you go. Oh, man.

[Rory]

Okay, but can you flip that back to our conversation last episode? Do you look at your fiance and be like, it was a make a wish. Like it was her last dying. We're gonna deprive her of that was.

[Mal]

To have sex with you?

[Rory]

Yeah. Like she wanted to swing. You didn't care about cancer. You're not for. For cancer research. So I went and her.

[Mal]

I ain't even see how you did that. You didn't even peep. Yeah.

[Rory]

Just say you don't care about cancer.

[Damaris]

My homeboy. When you was healthy.

[Mal]

When you was healthy. It's funny. Like, yo, yo. Yeah. You wasn't always sick. And now all of a sudden you're looking at. Yeah, you've been wanting to fuck him.

[Rory]

But this puts us in a real scenario with our conversation last episode. He went and a girl with cancer. And like, what stage was she?

[Julian]

Dude, does she get the same flag that the homie does because she has cancer or people Easier.

[Mal]

You got to be easy on.

[Julian]

It gotta be easier.

[Rory]

And I'm not a swinger or a cuck, but I'm trying to put myself in that mind state. If I wanted my friend to my girl and she had cancer, I feel like I would need to be there to moderate. Like, you're a my queen who has cancer.

[Mal]

You wanna. You wouldn't.

[Rory]

Like, I have to make sure her safety is okay. Like, you can't wear out.

[Mal]

You want to be there to moderate a guy your girl.

[Rory]

I'm trying to put. Put my I don't want a guy to my girl that's trying to put myself mentality. I care for my girl and she has cancer.

[Julian]

Okay.

[Rory]

I can't just like, close the door. I wouldn't close the door, period.

[Damaris]

Well, the heart. The whole purpose of now I need.

[Rory]

To make sure my homeboy, like, knows what to do. When a cancer patient.

[Julian]

Yeah. But to Damaris's point, being a cuck implies you're in the room watching it happen.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Julian]

So you'd be but something hands on.

[Rory]

Not all swinging is like that though, right?

[Julian]

No, no, no. Know, but is yo.

[Mal]

Imagine like, yo, all right, you get out now, cuz I don't want you to see what I'm gonna do to your girlfriend. He can't call himself like, imagine that you had a swingers party and the dude is like, n. I don't want you to watch. You gotta get out.

[Julian]

That's crazy.

[Mal]

And your Girl's like, yeah, just give us, like, 20 minutes.

[Julian]

That's like the mad.

[Mal]

And you actually. You actually give them 20 minutes.

[Julian]

That's like the mad Real world. When Katie, the white guy's girlfriend, and she's in the room with Lysol and Tyrese, and they kick out the. The white boy. Like, she's like, no, okay, I'm okay, I'll stay. And they shut the door.

[Mal]

What is this? Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.

[Rory]

She's like, I'll stay the guy from Oz.

[Julian]

I love that sketch.

[Rory]

But can you even have, like, that's why I don't think I could ever be a swinger. You have to have. You can't have stipulations. If somebody says you want to go your girl and closes the door, like, this is what you signed up for.

[Damaris]

No, you can't. Like, you could make stipulations like, you and your girl come up with that beforehand. Like, okay, I won't let him me in the ass. Like, I won't swallow. Like, y'all can come up with those stipulations, man.

[Mal]

Damaris always tell me not the king shame. Y'all got me. It's some sick in this world to walk your girl into a building knowing that other niggas is about to her. And you're supposed to just be like, yeah, we just Saturday night.

[Julian]

Yeah, but you're getting pussy too.

[Damaris]

And you're not even that.

[Mal]

You're not don't matter, man.

[Damaris]

Well, people are turned down by it.

[Julian]

Some people are.

[Mal]

You're right, Damaris. And we have. We have to start compartmentalizing these people correctly. These are weird. These is insane.

[Damaris]

But is it weird if it's the majority?

[Mal]

Yes. I don't give a. A lie is a lie. Even if a majority of is lying, it's still a lie.

[Rory]

Wait, a majority of people are cucks. I need that.

[Damaris]

I feel like. I feel like there's a lot more people who are kinky than. Than we would.

[Rory]

Kinky is one thing.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

This is a different wanting someone to your girl. I don't think that's. I don't think they're in the majority.

[Julian]

Oh, wow.

[Mal]

Have cheeky is me. Like, yo, I like kissing and sucking toes when I'm with a girl.

[Damaris]

That ain't kinky.

[Mal]

I mean that some people couldn't. They sell feet picks and all of that. That's considered a kink, right?

[Damaris]

You buying Karushi feet pics?

[Mal]

I'm not buying nobody's feet pics. We talking to me me. You think I'm paying somebody for the pictures of their feet. Come on now.

[Julian]

Whose would you buy?

[Mal]

Nobody. Stop playing with me, dog. Don't play with me like that. Not paying for nobody's feet picks.

[Rory]

What about Jesus?

[Julian]

He's got a hole in his feet, too.

[Mal]

I'm saying. But, yeah, no, we have to start compartmentalizing these people. Like that swinger. That's just a umbrella to hide under to say, listen, I want to other people, but I want to, like, be with you.

[Rory]

It's not hiding on an umbrella. It's flat out saying, I want to other people.

[Mal]

No, no, I'm saying they're hot. They put it under the umbrella of. Oh, it's. It's your wrist. Swingers.

[Rory]

It's actually the most respectful way. Way to want to be in a relationship. And also other people. It actually makes logic. It's not something I could do. It makes logical sense a lot of.

[Mal]

A lot.

[Damaris]

It makes the most logical sense. I think a lot of people want to other people with their partner as well. Like, I love this person. I want to be with this person for the rest of my life. But hornally, I still want to other people.

[Mal]

So is that a word? Can we find that? Let's just find it. It's typing it, Julie. Let's find out that.

[Julian]

I'm gonna bank that word for my next.

[Rory]

Yeah, let's find synonyms.

[Mal]

Yeah, let's find Hornley, please. Let's find Hornley. I want to.

[Rory]

You gotta look at, like. All right. If you want to go on a date night and you like doing miniature golf with your girl, there's other activities you may like to do with her with your life partner. Miniature golf. Other couples.

[Mal]

Look what he just tried to compare his top golf minutes ago.

[Rory]

Other couple going to top golf.

[Damaris]

Or I'll take other couple over top golf. Topgolf is awful.

[Rory]

I have fun at topgolf.

[Mal]

You would take fucking another couple over topgolf 1000%. I'm not jacking that, man. See, y'all.

[Damaris]

Y'all just like, you're talking 1000.

[Mal]

Hell, no. Another. Another girl. Your man.

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mal]

You get inflection. Yeah. No, it ain't. No.

[Damaris]

Yeah, well, it's. Personally, I'm not here to talk about my own kinks on this podcast, but, yes, people are into those types of things.

[Mal]

No, people into it. It's insane. Like, yo, we want a swingers party. Some other. You don't even know this dude.

[Rory]

See?

[Damaris]

No, that's okay.

[Mal]

He just walk in a room. Sweaty. Six, four, two, and Change.

[Julian]

Oh, all right.

[Mal]

You say your wife bend over, bitch, and you just start drilling your girl. You sitting there like.

[Rory]

Like you watching a Lakers game sitting Indian style.

[Mal]

Yeah, like, what the. Like, that's not crazy to y'all. Like, what the fuck are you talking about? I don't care that I get to fuck his girl. Who is this nigga? Who is this nigga?

[Rory]

This doesn't feel like a fair change.

[Mal]

Y'all keep saying yo, but you get the fuck his girl. I that like, who is this man? And y'all just think y'all supposed to be cool with that because it's swingers community. Get the out of here with that.

[Rory]

Okay, but if I. It's on the same spectrum. I like to other women with my girl. That's still on the same spectrum as. As other people. And when you're a couple.

[Mal]

No, it's not.

[Rory]

It's the same spectrum. It's the same thing.

[Mal]

We know. We live in a double standard world. Stop. Let's stop acting like we don't know that it's cool if me and my girl's a chick. It ain't cool if she decided to bring her boyfriend to the crib and he my girlfriend. Girl, that ain't cool.

[Rory]

It's the same spectrum, though. It's group sex.

[Mal]

That ain't the same Spec.

[Rory]

It's group sex, man.

[Mal]

Get the out of here. That ain't the same.

[Julian]

It's different.

[Mal]

It's 1,000 different. It's only different if a chick walk in my crib that me and my girl like together before. And now she got her boyfriend with her, and he back his hammer out, look like he trying to. My bro is dying. Bro, we not swingers. Me and my girl have three swings.

[Damaris]

That's because you're not a swinger. But swingers exist. There's nothing wrong with swingers.

[Mal]

And them for you.

[Damaris]

It ain't for you.

[Mal]

And let's compartmentalize that. That is insane to you. Watching your girl get is insanity. I don't care what nobody says, Rel, you married. You go home right now a drilling your wife, I'll never see you again. The next time I see Rel, it'll be on home wave. He'll be calling me from his side like, yo ma went home after the studio. Listen, I'm sorry, man. Some was in there.

[Rory]

That ain't swing of like you think of links up.

[Mal]

Yeah, like you think your wife like, yo, honey, we're swingers, remember? Get the out of here. That. Now, Rel, if you Go home and your wife is in bed with another woman. You gonna jump in the middle of that? Same difference.

[Rory]

Same, same spectrum.

[Mal]

It's a different.

[Rory]

It's different, but it's not the same.

[Mal]

It's group sex, man.

[Julian]

On the same spectrum. It is drastically different.

[Mal]

That had Chrysler 3 hundreds. Thought they was Bentleys too. Until a Bentley pull up next to that misogynistic.

[Julian]

Then yes, I am.

[Damaris]

That's fine. That's.

[Rory]

No, it's just a preference.

[Mal]

I'm king massage.

[Julian]

That's the only thing I've ever seen.

[Mal]

Nobody. My girl.

[Rory]

I like group sex, but I'm straight, so I don't want guys massage.

[Damaris]

But listen, this is the thing.

[Rory]

I still like group sex.

[Damaris]

I don't think that it's misogynistic that you won't let somebody your girl. That's your own choice. Like that's not what you're into. But to say that those two situations, who are. They're. They're actually the same exact. In reverse. To say that they're different.

[Mal]

So then they're not the same. No, once you put reverse in it, that changes the whole thing. Thing. So it's not the same. That's what I'm trying to tell you. That's not the same.

[Damaris]

If I go in that kitchen and eat your apple and then you go in that kitchen and drink my orange juice that I had in there, those, those are different scenarios. That's not the same exact thing.

[Mal]

Yeah, it's different scenarios.

[Julian]

A solid.

[Mal]

Yeah, it's a whole different scenario.

[Rory]

All right, if, if a man and woman and two guys, it's different. But both, both parties, it's the same spectrum. Group sex is the same spectrum. It's just different.

[Damaris]

See, well with that, this is the thing. Because with that you can bring religion in and people can say that one is against nature or against.

[Rory]

Or I always want to bring Jesus.

[Damaris]

So you can't say that those two things are the same thing. I'm saying if we're both in a relationship, we both the opposite gender, those are two equal things. It's okay to not be okay with it. It's okay to say it's not for you. But to say that one is worse than the other is what makes it misogynistic.

[Mal]

That's all I'm saying.

[Rory]

We're not saying worse. If somebody wants to swing, go let your freak flag fly. I don't care what I said go swim.

[Mal]

If you enter that, you probably have.

[Rory]

A long lasting relationship.

[Mal]

All I said was let's just start Compartmentalizing this. That's all. Do what you want to do. But we not gonna sit here and act like that's just like. Oh, no, that's. That's normal. No, it's not.

[Rory]

You've just been conditioned by society's right. Yeah.

[Julian]

That's all you think.

[Rory]

You think everyone is a possession.

[Julian]

What if your girl's having sex. Sex with other women, but you're not allowed to be involved? It's she or she's. It's, you know, open, but she just gets to women. You don't get to join her.

[Mal]

What are you asking me like?

[Julian]

I'm saying you're this. In your fantasy. In the group sex scenario, you walk in. Sorry, rel to bring you up again. But in the Rel scenario, Rel walks in, sees his wife in bed with a woman. You said rel jumps in the middle of that and gets it cracking swims. What if. If when you walk in the room, the wife doesn't want you to join to get out? I'm just licking box on my own time. You're not welcome.

[Mal]

Okay, well, I have a question. Okay, well, get out the room. I'm going to lick some box too.

[Rory]

I have a question. In this scenario, he said grabbed. Do I know the woman?

[Julian]

No.

[Rory]

Then I'm going to have an issue with a stranger being in my house. But if I know the woman, like have a box.

[Damaris]

Oh, if it's Yomi, you have no problem with it.

[Rory]

Why are we adding the staff in all these scenarios?

[Julian]

There's so many.

[Rory]

I already know that Yomi. Kia already wanted to Yomi after the sister show. It's like, stop trying to bring back pts.

[Mal]

Nah. But I. I've been in a situation like that before where a dude caught his. The girl he was with getting eaten out by another girl that we knew. And he was tight about that.

[Rory]

Yeah, I know men that have been.

[Damaris]

Telling me okay with they not really okay.

[Julian]

That's what I'm saying.

[Rory]

I'm fine with it if I know the situation. If you have just some strange woman in my house, I'm gonna just have a separate issue with what's going on.

[Damaris]

But if she had mentioned to you.

[Mal]

Before, I think that's Cap. I think even if it's a girl, you know, you're gonna have an issue with it.

[Rory]

But I know about it.

[Mal]

Yeah. No, like, you walk in and your girl's getting eaten out by another girl. You know, I think that you'll have an issue with that if. If they don't let you join from rip.

[Rory]

I'm going to try to join. And if I'm told no, of course, like, like naturally.

[Mal]

Oh, like a Republican.

[Rory]

Of course.

[Julian]

You wouldn't even get a sock off.

[Rory]

No, if I were Republican. That's gay. Gay.

[Julian]

You, you wouldn't even get a sock off. You'd open that door, say, get the out. And you'd be like, okay, and go right back out.

[Rory]

If.

[Julian]

And then you're.

[Rory]

If I, I. If I tried and they said no, I would then say, we'll talk about this later. I would close the door because. Okay, let me finish. Can I finish? Can I finish?

[Mal]

I was listening. I don't know why she. She got you off. She threw her cap.

[Rory]

You don't need to throw the cap. When you cap it, you could just say the word. You don't need to throw it it.

[Damaris]

No, that's the later. Close the door. And she continues moaning.

[Mal]

Get the fuck out of here.

[Julian]

You're not allowed to talk about it later.

[Rory]

Guys, can I finish my fucking statement?

[Mal]

I'm here with you. I'm trying to hear the rest of it.

[Rory]

Why I would say that the first time is because. What's the opposite of pessimistic? Optimistic.

[Mal]

Optimistic.

[Rory]

I'm optimistic in that situation that after we have that convo, maybe this could be a thing. I could be wrong. That could be a wish. That is so far fetched. But if I walk into my girl fucking a girl that I know. No. And I try to join, they say, no, I'm gonna walk back to the kitchen like, nah, there's hope still. Maybe one day I can join this.

[Mal]

No, no, you're not.

[Rory]

After the second time now I have an issue.

[Mal]

You're gonna be like, nah, get out. No hope.

[Julian]

What are you, Obama?

[Mal]

You gonna close the door and go and make a turkey sandwich? Yeah, get the. While your girl's getting her oyster licked.

[Rory]

Great.

[Julian]

You, you're gonna go change Amara's diaper five feet away.

[Mal]

No matter what you doing in the house. He ain't. He don't know what he. Get the tv.

[Rory]

I'll be having an issue if she's tomorrow in the living room.

[Mal]

He got a big ass circus ear on this big. Trying to hear in the room. Yeah. Like, yo, damn, she making my. Come in there. Like, yo, that's crazy.

[Rory]

Animal beat off.

[Mal]

That's. That, that's crazy.

[Julian]

Standing outside the door beating.

[Mal]

That's wild.

[Rory]

You guys wouldn't have hope in that situation for the first time.

[Julian]

Hope.

[Mal]

If my girl told me to get out.

[Damaris]

It's like, if you knew it was happening before you got home. Yes, but if you go home right now and Amara with a babysitter and Kia getting 8 out.

[Rory]

Is Amara in the house?

[Damaris]

She knows she's with a babysitter.

[Rory]

Like, okay, well, first I'll be like.

[Mal]

Your girl getting ate out while the babies.

[Damaris]

I'm putting her to sleep.

[Rory]

The first issue I'd have is, like, we didn't agree on how we're using the babysitter. How come when I want to do, we can't get the babysitter, but now you got the baby. The babysitter give me head.

[Mal]

Right? Exactly.

[Rory]

What. Anyways.

[Julian]

Happens a lot.

[Rory]

Yeah, I watch porn. That happens all the time.

[Julian]

Yeah, all the time. Search bar. Must be crazy.

[Rory]

That's sick. I know you guys don't believe me. I'm being truthful. If I walked in on that and knew the girl and was told to leave, I would leave. Fine. In the beginning, then I would talk with Kia and be like, all right, so what's up? If you're going to do this, I'm either joining or we need to have some understanding.

[Julian]

N. She banging it on you. You're not welcome.

[Rory]

I'm kind of fine with her. A girl she wants to the.

[Damaris]

So if Kia went got a girlfriend, you would be fine with that?

[Rory]

A girlfriend?

[Julian]

That's so different.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

What the.

[Mal]

Yeah. Look how Damaris keep pushing that bar like, yo, relax.

[Rory]

You know what's funny?

[Mal]

Relax. Go get a whole girlfriend.

[Rory]

I think I might take that over just some girl. She's.

[Damaris]

When I say I would sit with.

[Rory]

The girlfriend so we could split up responsibilities.

[Mal]

Why we just can't. We got all this in here. All this. All this equipment we pay for, Rory and don't want to keep it real. You not cool with your girl having a girlfriend?

[Rory]

Can we split the responsibilities?

[Mal]

What you mean?

[Julian]

What would you like to give up? Let's ask that question. And what responsibilities would you no longer like to be in charge of?

[Rory]

Emotional support.

[Mal]

So you just want. You just want the girlfriend to have to deal with all the emotional.

[Rory]

Anytime she's in a mood, it's your turn.

[Mal]

It's your turn.

[Damaris]

Oh, so one of her friends.

[Mal]

That's a hell of a bargain right there. I ain't gonna lie.

[Rory]

Is everyone on my side now?

[Mal]

Oh, I'm on your side. He just made it.

[Rory]

Tough pussy exchange.

[Mal]

That's 100. You could. Hey, if she got. If she could just. All she could do is complain to you, and you gotta just lick her. I ain't gonna lie. Man, it's hard for me to walk away from that table. I might sign that contract. Yeah. I might be like, you know what? It's all good.

[Rory]

I like to eat. So we'd have to be 50. 50 on this.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah, the pussy part, but yeah, I'm kind of fine with it.

[Mal]

But we gotta do it like we did during COVID It gotta be like our own little. Like, you can't just be licking like a bunch of other and then come lick my girlfriend.

[Rory]

That's fair. Yeah.

[Mal]

You can't be a she can't be like a. She gotta be like, you know what I mean? This is just something. This is just your girlfriend. And like, you know, okay, so what if she has.

[Rory]

You're not about to lick.

[Damaris]

What if she has a boyfriend? So what if no swinger, but your girl's girlfriend has a boyfriend? Y'all don't. Obviously y'all don't mix, mingle no nothing. But she is in a committed relationship with your girl and her man. And you're in a committed relationship with you and your girl.

[Rory]

Is he a Nick fan?

[Julian]

Nets.

[Rory]

Like, is there things that we can like, Nets fan. We can go out and hang. Is it a guy that I'd like to hang out with want to get to know?

[Mal]

Dude, that's weird. See what I'm saying? We got all this in here. We got all this. That's weird. And don't be keeping it real. That's all I'm saying. You don't want to get to know.

[Rory]

That man, that bro, you're in a long term relationship. If you could get a break and hang and have some pause guy time to just do some guy with a guy you get along with. And y'all wives want to just go and leave us alone. Holy. That would be amazing.

[Mal]

So y'all might as well back out on each other. And do y'all think I just want.

[Rory]

To watch Jalen Brunson? What the.

[Mal]

Get the. Out of here. Hell, I'm not hanging out with the boyfriend of the girl. What if I like them that slid off with my girl and they Then me and homie here say, yo, the Lakers might take it all this. I ain't going to lie.

[Rory]

As opposed to what? When you have your other friend, I'm.

[Damaris]

G. Say, hey, Rory, you can like hang with me.

[Mal]

Like, go get some. Like, go get. Go. Where your sides at?

[Damaris]

No, but see, no, I lost the babysitter to get.

[Mal]

Let me guess. That he got to be faithful. He can't have a side in this Scenario.

[Damaris]

Yeah, in this scenario.

[Rory]

In the scenario.

[Julian]

Yeah, in the scenario, the woman can choose.

[Mal]

I'm with women.

[Julian]

Not cheap.

[Rory]

But you have been a relationship. You guys have been a relationships and had to hang out with the guy that was dating your girlfriend's friend. It's weird. And I'm saying if I like the guy, that's different.

[Mal]

Different, though. That's different.

[Rory]

I don't like a lot of guys. If we have a bond.

[Mal]

Stop. Don't try to do that, because now you're trying to drive your point on.

[Julian]

For real.

[Mal]

You lying. We talking about if that dude. If that dude girl is your girl now. Not if yo your girl or my girl is like, best friends and they just like, cool, cool.

[Rory]

We can do this every week.

[Mal]

Of course. Of course. In that case, Puff said it. Of course. In that case, of course, in that case, you cool with the. Your. Your girlfriend's best friend's man. Y'all gotta. Y'all gonna be around each other, hanging out. But if now you throw in the mix that they each other, I don't want to be cool with that. But what. What I'm trying to be cool with him for. Nah. While my girl and your girl's me and you ain't gonna be hanging out.

[Damaris]

Okay, so hold on. So let's. What if they were already.

[Rory]

I'm saying, what if he's cool?

[Damaris]

What if they were already cool?

[Mal]

He could. I'm not saying he could be cool, but we not gonna be hanging out. Out.

[Damaris]

No, but what if we were already hanging out? We were already cool, and then our girls started each other.

[Mal]

Yeah, but then I'm going.

[Rory]

To me. That's weirder. Yeah, like that to me, that's way weirder.

[Mal]

Because then that sounds like. Because now that. Because now it sounds like. Because now at this point, yo, we might as well each other's girl at this point.

[Rory]

Nah, nah.

[Damaris]

It's a little different.

[Mal]

So our girls is okay. They look. They in. They in the crib licking each other's saddlebags to.

[Rory]

We're not there. We're not. We're not haters. We're not there.

[Mal]

No, we don't gotta be there. But we know. But we know we there. But we know when they're together.

[Rory]

He know he has season tickets.

[Mal]

Yeah, but we know when they're together.

[Julian]

Ew, not you.

[Mal]

That's what I'm saying. That's date. That's date, yo.

[Julian]

Undercard.

[Mal]

That's date shit. That's like, yo, we on a date. Our girlfriend is in the house. Each other and we at. We at the Garden taking her seat. Ew, what is that?

[Rory]

She's taking my seat.

[Mal]

Hey, yo, he got a point. Got a point.

[Rory]

It's a fair exchange.

[Mal]

No, it ain't.

[Rory]

Hardwood versus the. Never mind.

[Mal]

I'm going to get my. I'm going to get some pussy on the side. Fuck it.

[Rory]

All right, let's. Let's take out.

[Damaris]

Let's not do that. Because in this. In this scenario, a lot of women will say, like, you should have just told me, like, for example, you could tell your girl, yo, you could go fuck girls, but you ain't fucking. No. And this is the same thing with you. Like, you can't go. I mean, yeah, but it don't work.

[Mal]

See what I just said? They don't. It's a double standards. My girl can say. My girl can't say, yo, you can go fuck niggas, but you can't fuck no girl.

[Rory]

Girl.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

What girl goes? The marriage. Stop playing with me. Yo. See, we got all this in here.

[Damaris]

Stop playing.

[Mal]

It ain't mad girls. It ain't no mad. Stop putting mad in front of that. There's not mad girls that's cool with a going to another over. See what I'm saying? What are we doing in here? It's mad girls that's cool with their man going to another man.

[Damaris]

Plenty of bisexual men in open relationships. Yes. Just because it ain't for you and it ain't around you.

[Mal]

No, I'm just saying it's not mad.

[Rory]

I think you're missing is the. The word mad.

[Mal]

It's not mad.

[Rory]

Like, it's not mad for sure.

[Mal]

I'm not saying it don't happen. Of course it happens.

[Damaris]

You're just not. You're not in that community. So it's not for you to know. You're not in that community. Yeah, it's okay to know that things happen outside of your. Your worldview. Your world view and who you are around does not set the tone for the entire of America.

[Mal]

I didn't say that. What I'm telling you is that it's not mad girls that's sending a out there to another and say, yo, you could go get some dick, but you can't get no pussy.

[Rory]

There's actually mad girls that would call him gay.

[Mal]

Like, that's not. That's not a thing. Okay, now, not saying it doesn't happen because we know that it happens.

[Rory]

Definitely community.

[Mal]

It's not like a well mad thing.

[Julian]

Matt, do you know any situations where this is happening?

[Damaris]

No, because that ain't my worldview, baby.

[Mal]

That is your world. You gay.

[Julian]

No, I'm not saying because you're. But sometimes if you're hanging out with people.

[Damaris]

What do you mean?

[Julian]

Like, not.

[Damaris]

No, I tend to hang around misogynistic, homophobic people like y'all.

[Mal]

I don't really go homophobic.

[Damaris]

I don't really go spread my wings.

[Mal]

Oh, Julian's homophobic.

[Julian]

Me, of this whole.

[Mal]

Of this whole. I'm the homophobic me.

[Rory]

I'm going to the Knicks game with my homeboy. I'm the furthest thing from homophobic.

[Mal]

Yeah, you might be closer to gay. You're closer to gay, actually than you are homophobic. Yeah, for sure.

[Rory]

No, we're like the gays that like sports.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, you know, that's fine. Hiding in the sports. Go, Nicks, go.

[Rory]

Our favorite player is DWIGHT Howard.

[Julian]

See.

[Mal]

March 23rd. We are in Howard Theater, Washington, D.C. we're in Howard Theater, Washington. Washington. Washington, D.C. yeah.

[Rory]

Not saying.

[Mal]

March 23rd, Howard Theater. New Rory Mall dot com. Tickets available now. We'll see y'all soon in D.C. all right, man, let's finish this up on Patreon. I feel like we could laugh a little bit more.

[Julian]

We got some conspiracy to talk about over there, too, too.

[Mal]

On Patreon. I'm excited, man. The Boeing guy, The Baldwin guy. I thought you meant, like, Alec Baldwin got killed. I must say.

[Julian]

No, he does the killing.

[Mal]

Right, exactly.

[Julian]

He's a shooter.

[Mal]

All right, well, we head over to Patreon, finish this conversation. We'll talk to y'all soon. Be safe, be blessed, have a great weekend. I'm that. He's just Ginger. Peace. No worrying now.