Episode 253 | Thanks For Ruining My Childhood Feat. KFC Barstool

Summary

Podcast Summary: New Rory & MAL – Episode 253 | Thanks For Ruining My Childhood Feat. KFC Barstool

Hosts: Rory, Jamal, Kevin Clancy, D, and E
Guest: Kevin Clancy (KFC Barstool)
Release Date: March 22, 2024

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1. Introduction and Cold Open

The episode kicks off with a humorous and chaotic cold open, setting the tone for the lively and unfiltered conversations to follow.

• Kevin Clancy: “[00:00] We're talking about a very serious subject. But if you need chopsticks to use your dick. Yeah.”
• Rory: “[00:25] Out the gate. No intros.”

This immediate dive without formal introductions highlights the hosts' familiarity and comfort with one another.

2. Titanic Conspiracy Theory Discussion

The hosts delve into a fascinating Titanic conspiracy theory inspired by a YouTube video.

• Rory: “[01:02] They’re reading what’s going on in my brain. Clicked it while I was in tunnel traffic today.”

The theory posits that Leonardo DiCaprio’s character in James Cameron’s Titanic is a time traveler sent to prevent a pivotal event—Rose’s jump off the ship—to avert a chain reaction impacting World War I and the formation of modern America.

• Rory: “[01:53] If Titanic had made it, that would have been a very casual thing… America as we know it now would not exist had Leo not stopped Rose from jumping off the Titanic.”

• Kevin Clancy: “[02:37] The conspiracy theory I was just talking about today on our show.…”

The discussion touches on James Cameron's filmography, debating whether Titanic is Cameron’s only non-sci-fi film, and speculates on the intertwining of fiction and reality in the conspiracy theory.

3. General Conspiracy Theories

The conversation broadens to encompass conspiracy theories beyond the Titanic narrative.

• Jamal: “[06:31] Anymore. Like a lot of this we was just talking about a few days ago with COVID...”

• Kevin Clancy: “[07:21] What is one thing right now? You think that we believe 100 to be true. That is not true.”

The hosts discuss the proliferation of conspiracy theories, the difficulty in distinguishing fact from fiction, and the societal impact of such beliefs.

4. Notable Cases: 9/11, Unabomber, and Others

Specific historical events are examined under the lens of conspiracy theories.

• Jamal: “[08:25] The one conspiracy theory that I think I'm still in the middle on is 9/11.”

• Rory: “[13:26] As crazy, which also could be true. But even to, like, retort my own 911 conspiracy...”

The hosts debate the legitimacy of theories suggesting inside involvement in the 9/11 attacks, comparing them to established demolition practices and discussing public skepticism.

5. Nickname Origin: KFC Barstool

A lighter segment explores the origin of Kevin Clancy’s nickname, "KFC Barstool."

• Kevin Clancy: “[19:14] So I. It's just my initials and I.…”

• Rory: “[20:00] So what’s the.… Did you mean.”

Kevin explains how his initials coincidentally match the well-known fast-food chain, leading to the moniker "KFC Barstool."

6. Personal Lives and Career Double Lives

The hosts share personal anecdotes about balancing their professional lives with their podcasting careers.

• Kevin Clancy: “[22:07] He was a cool dude, though.…”

• Rory: “[21:07] And I had somebody that I didn't work with.…”

Discussion revolves around maintaining privacy, the challenges of revealing dual identities, and the transition from traditional jobs to full-time content creation.

7. Relationship Dynamics and the Impact of Podcasting

The interplay between personal relationships and public personas is a central theme.

• Kevin Clancy: “[100:07] So I was like, let’s just have the mature conversation….”

• Rory: “[104:14] I have mixed feelings on that too.…”

The hosts debate the complexities of dating and maintaining relationships when their personal lives are intertwined with their public podcasting presence, emphasizing the awkwardness and potential conflicts that arise.

8. Dan Schneider and Nickelodeon Controversies

A significant portion of the episode focuses on allegations against Dan Schneider, creator of numerous popular Nickelodeon shows.

• Rory: “[52:03] What was sick about this actual.…”

• Kevin Clancy: “[52:38] She was running sexism, clearly was okay with that environment.…”

The hosts discuss the documentary detailing Schneider’s inappropriate behavior on set, the impact on former child actors, and the broader implications for the entertainment industry’s oversight of adult conduct around children.

9. Music Muses and Compensation Debate

The topic shifts to the role of muses in the music industry and whether they deserve financial compensation.

• Rory: “[81:47] So let’s jump into this year.…”

• Jamal: “[81:51] I can’t put a price tag on it.”

• Kevin Clancy: “[85:18] But I think it’s just better to take care of people who are.…”

The hosts debate whether individuals who inspire creative works, such as Amber Rose’s influence on Kanye West’s My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy, should receive monetary compensation, exploring the boundaries between inspiration and contribution.

10. Sports Discussions: Overrated Athletes

A spirited debate ensues over which athletes are considered overrated.

• Kevin Clancy: “[115:03] It makes my blood boil.…”

• Jamal: “[116:39] Number two, Eric Lindros.”

The conversation covers various sports figures, citing Derek Jeter and Joe Namath as examples of athletes perceived as overrated despite their accolades, and the criteria used to evaluate their true impact versus public perception.

11. Taxation and Financial Challenges

The hosts open up about their personal struggles with taxation and financial management.

• Rory: “[94:17]… audit from 2018.…”

• Kevin Clancy: “[96:16]… I owe 120 grand,…”

They share experiences of being audited, the complexities of handling finances as content creators, and the frustrations with the tax system, emphasizing the personal toll of financial mismanagement and the challenges of transitioning from traditional employment to independent content creation.

12. Final Thoughts and Closing Remarks

Wrapping up the episode, the hosts reflect on the day’s discussions and share light-hearted banter.

• Kevin Clancy: “[111:38] This is the only show that I listen to,….”

• Jamal: “[112:07]… Kevin Clancy, KFC barstool. We appreciate you for coming by again, man. …”

The episode concludes with gratitude towards Kevin Clancy for his recurring participation, anticipation of future collaborations, and the hosts’ signature humor as they sign off.

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Notable Quotes:

• Rory on Titanic Theory: “[01:53] America as we know it now would not exist had Leo not stopped Rose from jumping off the Titanic.”

• Jamal on Conspiracies Becoming Facts: “[06:31] Anymore. Like a lot of this we was just talking about a few days ago with COVID… now it’s not even a conspiracy theory. It’s a fact…”

• Kevin Clancy on Tax Audits: “[96:16] I owe 120 grand, bro, because of you, so you shut the up, dude. Crazy. Crazy, though, man.”

• Rory on Relationship and Podcast Impact: “[100:07] I’m not dealing with negative impacts when your podcast follows your personal life… It means it’s a problem for us down the road.”

• Discussion on Muses Compensation: “[85:18] I think it’s better to take care of people who are influential or contributed, but it’s not something you can easily quantify.”

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Conclusion:

Episode 253 of New Rory & MAL offers a comprehensive and engaging exploration of diverse topics ranging from deep conspiracy theories and entertainment industry controversies to personal relationships and financial struggles. The dynamic between the hosts, combined with guest Kevin Clancy’s insights, delivers a thought-provoking and entertaining listening experience for both regular listeners and newcomers alike.

Transcript

[Kevin Clancy]

We're talking about a very serious subject. But if you need chopsticks to use your dick. Yeah.

[Jamal]

You should sit down, sir.

[Kevin Clancy]

No Warrior. No. Here goes.

[Rory]

Out the gate. No intros.

[Kevin Clancy]

Let's go.

[Jamal]

Well, this guy that's joining us today doesn't need an introduction.

[Rory]

I want to talk about the Titanic. I didn't want to do introduction.

[Jamal]

Titanic.

[Rory]

Watch the video about a Titanic theory on the way here that I couldn't wait to talk to you guys about. Yes.

[Jamal]

Wait, there's still theories coming out about do your introduction.

[Rory]

I'm sorry for interrupting. I wanted to get out the gate cold.

[Kevin Clancy]

Listen, man.

[Rory]

Titanic theory that I could not.

[Kevin Clancy]

Crash and sunk the boat.

[Rory]

Okay. No, Titanic the movie.

[Kevin Clancy]

Okay.

[Rory]

But also to do with real life. So I, my algorithms are completely up because my brain is up. So it matches what's going on.

[Jamal]

Naturally.

[Rory]

They're reading what's going on in my, my brain.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Clicked it while I was in tunnel traffic today.

[D]

Okay.

[Rory]

Out the gate. They said James Cameron has only done sci fi movies. Titanic is the only one that's not. Or is it? I was hooked immediately. Leo is a time traveler in the Titanic. Now in the YouTube video, he brings up three references of stuff in America that doesn't exist in 1912. He's talking about Santa Monica Pier and the roller coasters that doesn't come till 1918 or some shit. He was sent there to make sure Rose doesn't jump off the Titanic because if she jumped off the Titanic, they'd have to circle back around and, and go find her and wouldn't hit the iceberg they needed.

[Kevin Clancy]

He, he was, he was out there to make sure the boat ripple effect.

[Rory]

Would have changed the existence of the United States. So had the Titanic made it, that would have been a very casual thing where they were going back and forth with that route. Few years later, World War I, when we're not there yet, Germany puts all their submarines in that whole waterway and we're just sending supplies even though we're not really affiliated. World War I because we weren't ready. We would have been bombed by the Germans early had the Titanic made it prematurely putting us into World War I that we were not ready for. And we would have lost. And America as we know it now would not exist had Leo not stopped Rose from jumping off the Titanic.

[Jamal]

How, how strong are the shrooms?

[Rory]

It was a 20 minute video and he, he told it much better than I did. I wanted to give you all the quick 32nd of the entire thing.

[Jamal]

Okay.

[Rory]

He did make a lot of Sense. Based off. James Cameron really only does sci fi. So when he added in, like, some of the stuff Leo was saying and the theories around it, I was like, I could see James Cameron doing this.

[Kevin Clancy]

What else did James Cameron do? I know he did the Avatar. Like, what. What are his other.

[Rory]

What's a big guy? He's the governor of California. Once upon a time.

[D]

He did True Lies. Terminator.

[Rory]

Yeah, Terminator.

[Kevin Clancy]

Terminator. Big one. Yeah.

[Rory]

Oh, he did Aquaman for Vincent Chase.

[D]

Aliens.

[Jamal]

The Abyss, one of my favorites.

[Rory]

So Titanic.

[Jamal]

Out of nowhere, Aliens of the Deep.

[D]

He's got a.

[Kevin Clancy]

So he's really. Guys, it's Titanic, and that's Terminator and an Avatar. I don't even like Avatar. But, like, those are his big ones.

[Jamal]

Like, Avatar.

[Kevin Clancy]

I'm not an Avatar guy.

[D]

I'm not either.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's. It's all this is about how it looks. I'm not a big. Like, I don't care if it looks good. Okay.

[Rory]

Were you attracted to any of the. The blue women? Because I kind of was. I mean, I wasn't really into movie.

[Kevin Clancy]

It wasn't. They don't get it. The whole idea. Like, I don't like, who's the main character of Avatar? What's his name?

[Rory]

Avatar? No, I've never seen any of the movies.

[Jamal]

Like, what. Like, what is the guy's name you don't like?

[Kevin Clancy]

It's supposed to be. People talk about the biggest, best movie of all time. I don't even know the name or the actor. It's just that he did this thing and it looks a certain way.

[Jamal]

Sully.

[Rory]

The fuck is main characters of Titanic?

[Kevin Clancy]

Jake Sully. That's not up.

[Jamal]

Jack and Jack and Rose.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Jamal]

So.

[Kevin Clancy]

So Titanic was to make sure that.

[Jamal]

World War I didn't happen prematurely.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Jamal]

Got it.

[Kevin Clancy]

And I can get down with any.

[Rory]

Conspiracy theory, bro, if you get into it even more. And I think they. They did a deep dive of, like, when Jack is trying to catch the Titanic before it leaves. Like, because he won the poker game.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

He's wearing a moose bag, which I guess didn't come out till, like, the 1930s. Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

But when he also just like, if that was his whole job, he wouldn't have almost missed the fucking boat.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Jamal]

He would have been there before.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right.

[Jamal]

Way before it departed.

[Rory]

Okay, so remember at the end.

[Kevin Clancy]

Departed. Whoa, wait. Now we get somewhere.

[Jamal]

Now we get some. Now the shrooms are kicking in.

[Rory]

So you know when old Rose. At the end of the movie.

[Jamal]

Yes.

[Rory]

When the scientists are like, yo, we have no record of Jack Ever being on the boat. And she's like nas because he got the fake ticket to make sure he wasn't suspected.

[Kevin Clancy]

So nobody knew.

[Rory]

So that's why he did it that way. And of course he knew when the Titanic was leaving. He was a time traveler.

[Kevin Clancy]

He's gonna make it look good.

[Rory]

He was looking. He was looking at his apple watch and just made the boat in time. And I'll go even deeper outside of that. The banking system, I think could be a theory as well for Jack trying to make sure the Titanic sunk because the people that were really putting together our national treasury system.

[D]

That theory has been debunked so many times.

[Rory]

I don't care.

[Jamal]

I don't care.

[Rory]

It makes more sense in the YouTube comments. The Rothschilds weren't on there, but Jack was. Jack was the, like the original Jason Bourne, in my opinion. He kept people alive so more could survive. That's all.

[Jamal]

You should stay away from the deep dive Titanic theories.

[Kevin Clancy]

The. The conspiracy theory I was just talking about today on our show. I'm. I'm. I'll put on a tinfoil hat and talk any conspiracy theory. But now that's. It's almost. There's more conspiracy theorists than not now.

[Rory]

Yeah, they like the Republican party, right? Literally the entire Republican Party.

[Kevin Clancy]

So, like, I'll. I'll start on some shit. You know, I'm like, all right, something's up with Kate Middleton. This is some fishy shit.

[Jamal]

Yes.

[Kevin Clancy]

But then I get lumped in with like, the crazy people who. I'm like, all right, well, I didn't say all that. You're either in or not. There's no like, levels to it anymore.

[Jamal]

The interesting thing with conspiracy theories is if you live long enough, some things are not they come true.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right.

[Jamal]

Anymore. Like a lot of this we was just talking about a few days ago with COVID and things that was going on the theories back then. Now a lot of that is like, it's not even a conspiracy theory. It's a fact proving things happen and.

[Kevin Clancy]

They act like it. You know, they didn't say that or never happened. MK Ult, Bohemian Grove. Like, all these things. There's a pyramid of, like, levels of conspiracy theories. It's like the food pyramid.

[Jamal]

Yeah, for sure.

[Kevin Clancy]

And like the bottom pyramid theory, who built it.

[Jamal]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, There you go.

[Kevin Clancy]

The bottom one is like, these are things that are proven to be true. And they were things that probably at one point were at the top of the pyramid being like, you're crazy.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

So, yeah, that's where I kind of get down with a lot of this where I'm like, well, like, what do you. This. I guess it's not a really conspiracy theory. This is more like just science, I guess. Like, what is one thing right now? You think that we believe 100 to be true. That is not true.

[D]

Like.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like when people like, the earth is flat. And then, yeah, like, smart people were like, no, the earth is flat. And then even smarter people were like, no, we figured out it's not. There's got to be something going on right now. It's not like we figured everything out, but there are 3,000 years from now, people are going to look back on this and be like, they were so dumb.

[Rory]

They thought right before I answered. That's where I'm conflicted as a conspiracy theorist going in. Knowing that I'm stupid. I try to hear everything. And I usually get on board with these conspiracy theories. And then I also see the same people that agree with this conspiracy theory are flat earthers, which I'm not.

[Kevin Clancy]

That I'm not.

[Rory]

So then I start feeling insecure where I'm like, this seems like a really solid thing, but flat earthers believe it.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. Then I'm out.

[Rory]

I can't. Can I get out here? I mean, I think big pharma is probably the biggest conspiracy.

[Kevin Clancy]

Well, yeah, that.

[Rory]

That anything involving health, cancer, for sure.

[Kevin Clancy]

For sure.

[Rory]

I think that one's kind of right in our face.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But then if you look through all the people that are into that, they don't believe in universal health care because they're Republican. And then they're also like, in QAnon. So I don't know what side to be on.

[Jamal]

The one.

[Rory]

Figure it out.

[Jamal]

The one conspiracy theory that I think I'm still in the middle on is 9 11.

[Kevin Clancy]

That you think it was an inside job.

[Jamal]

I think it was in a side job. I think that people knew about it. Every time you see pictures of the towers falling, it's clearly an implosion demolition style.

[Kevin Clancy]

You say that like you don't know what the fuck you're talking about with demolition.

[Rory]

I say that.

[Jamal]

If you look at.

[Rory]

I've never demolished a building.

[Jamal]

I mean, I haven't. But if you look at other demolition videos and how the buildings collapse.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Jamal]

Like if this was an attack where, you know, planes were flown into the building. Clearly we knew we saw planes go into the building.

[Rory]

But some don't believe that.

[D]

That. Yes.

[Jamal]

That buckles. It literally buckles.

[Rory]

Bose surround sound in the entire lower Manhattan. Like airplane sounds.

[Kevin Clancy]

Crazy.

[Jamal]

You see the building Blowing out from the floors below in a bunch of the videos.

[Rory]

So clearly I don't like. Yeah, maybe like starts to break and shoots out.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I don't know. Even though I'm someone that does believe it was an inside. Oh.

[Jamal]

But if you look at other demolition videos, that' exactly how it goes. Because they don't want the buildings to topple over and affect other.

[Kevin Clancy]

Maybe it's like they build it that way so that if anything ever structurally happens, it does go down that way. You know what I mean? Like a safety precaution.

[Jamal]

The plane that allegedly flew into the.

[Kevin Clancy]

Pentagon, putting the air quotes on the planes. The Pentagon's a little shady. Yeah, Pentagon's a little shady. There's like. No, there's like that one and then.

[Jamal]

The plane that went down in the field.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, the breed that they, that one. I think they just, they took that one out. I think, I think they told the story of let's roll and it became a, like a rallying.

[Jamal]

But where's the debris? Like, the debris that they were pulling from the field was like, that's not, that's not a 757. There would be way more planes are.

[Kevin Clancy]

Falling from the sky. And I was going to say the.

[D]

Current situation with planes is pretty depressing.

[Jamal]

Well, yeah, the whole Boeing thing, they killed that dude.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. You know what, though? That was that. We talked about that today on my show, and I was all ready to believe the conspiracy theory on. And if you look into it, like the, this is actually the second appeal on that lawsuit. It's been going on for seven years. Like, everyone characterized it as like, that guy's about to go to court and they killed him.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

And it's like, it's a $1 million lawsuit for Boeing that they're like, fudgeing, whatever.

[Jamal]

Right?

[Kevin Clancy]

It's, it's been going on for years, and it's on his second appeal. So they're not actually keeping anything a secret. It's like, I don't know. I think that guy just fucking killed himself.

[Rory]

And as like, our listeners know me to be the tinfoil hat man, my mentions were filled with this. And then I feel bad for my tinfoil hat community because I wanted to reply and be like, guys, I think this guy just, I think he just killed himself. There's a lot of people, I don't really think this is like, his wife.

[Kevin Clancy]

Just died of cancer or this year, last year. I, I, I do feel the pressure of being a tinfoil hatter where people will send you, like, you got to Do a video on this. You got to talk about it. And sometimes I'm like, no, no, no, no. Because then you can't. Then you can't be a credible tinfoil hat guy if you just do everything.

[Jamal]

Or what if somebody.

[Rory]

You have to be a hipster. Tinfoil hat.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right?

[Rory]

It has to be.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not doing this for. For fun or fad, you know, I' it's the real deal.

[Rory]

Yeah. What did they use before? Foil? Like cow skin or something. That's what I need to put on my head. Because I'm a hipster. I'm not attaching myself to everything.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like, I've made some videos, and once a.

[Rory]

Once a conspiracy goes mainstream, like, that's what I mean.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like, yeah, like, sometimes.

[Rory]

You guys are on this now, right?

[Kevin Clancy]

Right now.

[Rory]

I believe it's been on the US Treasury.

[D]

But he did say, if anything happens to me, it's not suicide.

[Jamal]

That's what I'm saying. What if they forced him to commit suicide? What if they say, listen, you don't.

[Rory]

Let the same thing.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, listen, that you could tell me that. That Boeing, like, ruined his life and they drained him of his money. They were harassing him and following him for this lawsuit. And, like, I wouldn't with Boeing either, but I don't know. I feel like if you're also the type of person to, like, go try to sue Boeing, you're the type of person to say things like, if I.

[Rory]

Die, it's not suicide, and, I don't know, conspiracies just make life more interesting. And then when you add in Netflix and these series that you can binge in one day that have all these twists and turns. You want life to be that way.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Rory]

We also got everything feels like it should be a conspiracy, and sometimes guys are just suicidal and they happen to work for Boeing.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. Like, some.

[Rory]

Two things can just be true.

[Kevin Clancy]

I go back and forth on, like, sometimes fact is stranger than fiction. Like, life is, you know, the craziest story of all. But then I'm also, like, even just being. Take just like our industry of, like, podcasting and making content and companies and influencers. And I know that there's behind closed doors and things you don't talk about and stories and lies within this little industry, that means nothing.

[Jamal]

Right.

[Kevin Clancy]

Multiply that by a trillion.

[Jamal]

Right.

[Kevin Clancy]

When you talk about politics and war and pharma and money, and it's like, if we have secrets, those guys absolutely do. So I can't. People who take everything at face value, I think Are crazy people who, you know, think that someone's a reptile equally.

[Rory]

As crazy, which also could be true. But even to, like, retort my own 911 conspiracy, it's like you're giving the American people too much credit that you needed to trick us. They could have just went to Iraq. The Patriot act could have just happened. You didn't need to knock down those buildings. That could have just happened.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, like, what were we gonna do?

[Rory]

When have they ever asked for our permission?

[Kevin Clancy]

Always, man.

[Jamal]

So do you think that 911 is what they say it is?

[Rory]

No, of course not.

[Kevin Clancy]

I.

[Rory]

But I see the other side of, like, I'm pretty. Maybe it was some pissed off Arabs that just ran into a building.

[Kevin Clancy]

I think. I believe that there are things, like, we had, like, intel ahead of time, and there's those. Those shady things where it's like, you know, they were, like, practicing, like, response, you know, for. For, like, this exact situation. I think there's some of that, but I don't think it was like, an inside job. Inside job.

[Jamal]

Okay.

[Kevin Clancy]

I think. But I think, you know, like anything else in history, when there's, like, major going on, there's probably some people who, you know, did some shady things, knew some things, wanted that, wanted it to happen, let it happen, all that. But I don't think it's like a full blown.

[D]

What about the case of the Unabomber? Because remember that story? The guy who was just. For those that don't know, he was just living in the woods, minding his own business. He was a little off. And they were just like, the government was aware of him. They're like, let him do his thing. And then there was, like, a development getting built, and they forced him to move. They're like, you got to go. And he was like, I don't want to move. I'm going to snap if you move me out of this damn place. And they were like, well, sucks to suck. You got to move. So then he just started mailing bombs to people and blowing shit up. They were aware. Like, he told them, like, yo, if you disrupt me. Sometimes I feel like you just gotta let people rock.

[Kevin Clancy]

Sleeping dogs lie.

[D]

Just let them rock. Just give them the woods.

[Kevin Clancy]

That. That's a dude. They should have, like, like, you know, in Catch me if you can when they make. They turn Leo to, like, work for the government because he's so good at it. We should have done that sort of show Kaczynski, that. That guy was. He was fucking smart. He knew what he was doing. Yeah, like, if you, if we turn him into Jason Bourne, send that guy out there.

[Rory]

But why would, why would you do that? Because we clearly see with bin Laden, he did that for us. And then they were like, he blew up the building. Yeah, he was on our payroll. Yeah, he, he was Leo. And catch me if you can. Like, yo, we see that you're making this erratic group overseas, we'll give you.

[Kevin Clancy]

Some weapons and help us to bite you, bro.

[Jamal]

So that was Osama Abagnale?

[Rory]

Pretty much sure was on one of his passports. But it's weird. Like we don't have to do a deep dive into the 911 thing, but currently it does show how nobody gives a in America. Like when Loose Change dropped when I was 12, hard, I thought it was gonna blow the gasket off the world. Like, once the world finds this out, it's gonna be crazy. Then America's gonna find any way to bury this conspiracy. Now on cable, the highest rated news show, there's guys going, yeah, it was a conspiracy, dude.

[Kevin Clancy]

I have a.

[Rory]

There's politicians now.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's.

[Rory]

No one gives a fuck. And that just prove that America does not give a about us. They're not even trying to cover it up. I don't think politicians can say it.

[Kevin Clancy]

People don't care about actual, the actual thing they care about the conspiracy and the why. Like the, the, the, the final nail in the coffin for me was all the. That's gone on with aliens in the last couple years. People been, you know, since the 50s doing these conspiracy theories.

[Jamal]

How did you feel about the two little aliens that they pulled out of Mexico?

[Kevin Clancy]

In Mexico? That was, I mean, that.

[Rory]

Did you think that was real?

[Kevin Clancy]

No, I did not think that one was real. But a lot of the other that's going on, like when they announced, they were like, kind of like, yeah, we have spaceships, we have aircraft from another world and we have like biologics that we don't know what they are. And everyone, like I remember hearing that and being like, this is all we should be talking about. We shouldn't be talking about anything else. But it was almost like people want to talk about the mystery and the COVID up and all the lies. And then when you tell them like, okay, fine, there is aliens, everyone was like, on to the next. They were arguing about vanderpump rules. Yeah, it was all Tom Sandoval. The same fucking week that the government was like, yo, we have aliens. Same thing with the Epstein list. The Epstein list, like basically came out and that law, you could read the fucking documents of the lawsuit. And it was like, okay, here it is. And then what happened?

[Jamal]

Nobody.

[Kevin Clancy]

Nothing. Because they don't actually give a. About the. It's it. These people are just here to argue and be right and you're wrong and you know, my party's right, your party's wrong. That sort of once. It's like, okay, let's actually talk about aliens and what it means. Nope, they don't want to do that.

[Rory]

Whatever though, that law is that holds files for a certain amount of years.

[Kevin Clancy]

Freedom of information.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Rory]

That to me is just the government holding a wild joker to let time pass. Because when we need distractions, we'll open the JFK files.

[Kevin Clancy]

Totally.

[Rory]

And then look over there like, oh, it was the CIA. So now we're ignoring the things that are happening right now and focusing on what happened in the 60s, which.

[Kevin Clancy]

Which doesn't matter, by the way. Now, 911 curiosity. It's like, okay, whatever, aliens.

[Rory]

It's just a wild joker to keep us moving. And down with the 911 thing. We clearly faked getting into Vietnam. Yeah, no one brings it up.

[Kevin Clancy]

We're always lying. We're always lying.

[Jamal]

Nobody gives a fuck.

[Rory]

And that's not a conspiracy. It's just a flat out fact. And it's like, all right, crazy. We'll move on to the next.

[Kevin Clancy]

But at least they used to have the decency of trying to cover it up. Making up.

[Rory]

At least they used to say jack on the Titanic and make us feel a little bit better about.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's like, hey, we're doing whatever we want. We don't care what you think.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

All right.

[Jamal]

Well, it's been a while since we last kicked it.

[Rory]

Oh, we did no intro.

[Jamal]

No, we did no intro. This is. This is our cold open kfc.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's the craziest cold open ever.

[Rory]

How we hit it all, man. How did the KFC name start? We never even in the intro we just introduced.

[Kevin Clancy]

So I. It's just my initials and I. When I first started working first on making content, I was. I was still working as an accountant.

[Rory]

Damn it. I was hoping that F wasn't your middle name and we would guess what the F stood for.

[Kevin Clancy]

A lot, a lot of people, including like friends of mine, thought that it was just. They thought that I wanted to run around, call myself Kevin.

[Jamal]

Yo, Clancy guys are so stupid.

[Kevin Clancy]

And I was like. I was like, almost offended. I was like, you. Is that what you think of me? That like. Like, I was like, I need to come up with some pseudonym about Kevin Clancy.

[Rory]

Okay, no, dude, it's like.

[Kevin Clancy]

And they just named me with the initials kfc. I don't know what that was about.

[Rory]

But objectively, not who you guys are at Barstool, but what the stigma happened afterwards. Could you see someone being, like, his name, he probably named himself?

[D]

Absolutely.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

It fits the part for sure. But I was. I was working at Deloitte as an accountant, and I. I needed to keep, like, my real name a secret, but I was like, you know, I don't want to be anything too ridiculous. So, like, my initials kind of. Kind of works. And because it's three letters that people already know, it kind of fit well. And then it just kind of went off from there. But, like, people who know, nobody actually calls me that except for, like, in the Internet world.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

So the people who know me, anytime I'm, like, being an asshole or, like, you know, running my mouth, people will be like, oh, okay, if he's out today, like, let me know.

[D]

Kevin's backing.

[Jamal]

He's fucking.

[Kevin Clancy]

But ye. There was a time when, like, I was. I was working at Deloitte and nobody knew that I was a blogger. And then the people reading the blog and listening to podcasts and shit didn't know that I was an accountant. So I had this double life going for a minute before Barstool became like a. Okay, you're gonna have, like, a paycheck, you know, steady.

[Rory]

For a long time, I was working at Havas, like when we started the old Pod Hamas.

[Kevin Clancy]

What?

[Rory]

Havas is an ad. I think we were funding that. I think we were doing their branding. Everything changes. They. They were a peaceful group at one.

[Jamal]

Point, such a cool group of guys.

[Rory]

And I had somebody that I didn't work with. They just. It was a huge building, like, pull me aside, like, kind of by where the bathroom kitchen area was, and was like, yeah, look, I know you're on that. Because podcast was not popping at that point. It was like, you had to know underground thing. And that was a very awkward experience I had. When you have your double life.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yep.

[Rory]

With real work and what you're trying.

[Jamal]

To do, somebody knows both sides.

[Kevin Clancy]

There was one dude who knew. So I had a website before I worked at Barstool that was very similar to Barstool. I had read Barstool as a fan. Then I just kind of started my own thing to around, like, have some creativity in my life, because I was the worst accountant, and it was just sucking the life out of me. And the. And he saw me at work working on, like, this other website, and he was like, what is that? And I was like, we gotta go for a walk. And I started, like, to explain everything to him.

[Rory]

First of all, I'm Kevin, and if.

[Jamal]

You tell anybody, I'll kill you.

[Kevin Clancy]

He was a cool dude, though. And then. So he was there. And then, like, maybe a matter of months later is when I got the gig at Barstool. And that was a whole process of, like, almost like auditions and rounds of interviews. Kind of like, you made it to this round, you made it to that round. And I remember being in our cube, he sat, like, behind me, and I, like, got word that I got the job. And we, like. He was almost. It was like, you know, you're gonna get up out of the cubes.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like, go. You know, like, leave me behind. Have fun. But it was like, we, like, hugged and high five that. He was like, you did it. And I was like, I'll come back for you, man.

[Rory]

Sounds like the guy was guilty.

[Jamal]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

Twenty years from now, that's going to be like, yo, he. He left me behind. I was. That was his day one. It never came back for me.

[Jamal]

Changed.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. Yeah. But, yeah, so then KFC just kind of became the. The moniker. I'm.

[Jamal]

So what's the.

[Rory]

Ever had a nickname?

[Jamal]

You do have a nickname.

[Rory]

I do?

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Rory]

The mean words you guys say about me. I don't. I don't. I don't own that as, like, a nickname. You guys just say mean words.

[Jamal]

You've never had a nickname?

[Rory]

No.

[Jamal]

Really?

[Rory]

You.

[Kevin Clancy]

You don't even have a name. You can, like, shorten. People call you, like, Roar.

[D]

Roars.

[Rory]

No, not girls that would, like, flirt with me would say Roars. Like, anytime. They would say Roars. Sometime be like, oh, I can.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Now that we're here, we've only known each other for, like, a few hours, and you're calling me Roars is on. Yeah, I could definitely be. But, no, I never really had.

[Jamal]

That's interesting.

[Rory]

I was never cool enough. The only one in the music industry in the beginning was the white boy that shot Money be with.

[Kevin Clancy]

I was gonna say there's.

[Rory]

That. They probably have just shots.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Jamal]

100 for sure. 100.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

How long have you been going by Mall? Like, your whole life.

[Jamal]

That's just. Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Jamal]

Abbreviated name.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Jamal]

Like, nobody says. Anybody that calls me Jamal's either mad at me. I owe them money, or. Or like, family.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right.

[Jamal]

But nobody calls me that. Everybody calls me Mall.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Do you introduce yourself as kfc, like, around.

[Kevin Clancy]

No. I mean, I'll. No, no. I always introduce my name. Most people actually call, like, people who know me from the Internet say KFC Barstool. Like, I guess because of the hand, like, whatever. So it's just KFC Barstool. It's almost like one word, but usually it's the name.

[D]

It's exactly like.

[Jamal]

Yeah, but that's what I said. Usually it's the name of the crew first, and then, like. So it's Barstool. Kfc.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, I guess I've gotten both, but my. But more of a Jamaican thing. My Instagram and my. My handle on Twitter and Instagram is Casey Barstool. People know from that. But yeah, it's almost like I was thinking if. If I ever am not a part of Barstool, I think people will still just call me KFC Barstool. At this point. It's like, it's not even associated companies like my name.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's not weird to me now. But in those, like, early social media days when I would be out, like, at shows or whatever, just, like, trying to make a fucking career, people would come up to me and introduce themselves as their AT names.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And that used to blow my mind, but now, in retrospect, I shouldn't have judged them. Like, that's the world. We were going.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. No, I mean, it was a. It was a branding to it, but.

[Rory]

It was like, it made me feel uncomfortable. Like, okay, do you get.

[Kevin Clancy]

I'll get a lot of people, like, yo, like, at a meet and greet, like, you know, nice to meet you. Like, one time you retweeted me or something like that. I'm like, okay, bro, that's a little weird. Like, we're talking about, like, our Internet activity. Yo, you follow my friend on Instagram?

[Jamal]

Like, yeah. Okay.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Jamal]

I think it's weird that we have to, like.

[Rory]

I usually just get suicidal people. I wish it would have been a retweet.

[Jamal]

We put. We put so much pressure on, like, the names that we pick for our social media account.

[Kevin Clancy]

Totally. Yeah.

[Jamal]

That's like a real, like.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Jamal]

And then if the name that you think you came up with that is so clever is taken, you don't know what to do after.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right. Then you had one idea. Yeah.

[Jamal]

You're like, all right, what the.

[Kevin Clancy]

Do I call myself, like, 1, 2, 3, 4 at the end of it or some.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel blessed that I landed on one early. That worked out okay.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

This is. Rory is okay.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I will say there is a corny backstory that I'VE never told off it. Very quickly.

[Jamal]

Okay.

[Rory]

I was trying to find a Twitter name. I was big on thisisfift. Com. So I just typed in this is. This is Rory, and it was available and it stuck.

[Kevin Clancy]

And I was like, that's not the worst, though.

[Rory]

Yeah, it could have been. I found out I didn't know Adam22. I thought that had like a whole backstory. He was just trying to put Adam and 22 was the only one that was available. Like, 22 isn't a clip. It's not barstool. It's not best ASAP. Like, Adam 22 is just like one of those 21 others annoying names in the comments.

[Jamal]

Of course there's 21 of the Adams out here.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. I think part of me thinks that we should live in a world where you have to put your government name and face on everything you do on the Internet so that people wouldn't be.

[Jamal]

Now you sound. You sound like a Republican.

[Kevin Clancy]

But then I go back to the other side where I'm like, no, we should all be fucking anonymous. Because putting all your. All your. All your real thoughts and all your actual activity out there is like, no one should be subjected to that.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

But you know, if. If it was. If you couldn't just be some. Some fake name with some fake picture, you would be way less of a. Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

I have mixed feelings on that too. Because the Internet would be way less fun if everyone had to like verify a photo and like dmv, you know? But then also it's like us that has to live in the real world and stand by our opinions and walk around and live with them is way different than the guy that calls us and has an insane opinion. Like, I'm not controlled by. Then I could say anything. Like, you also have a blacked out avi and no one knows your IP address.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right.

[Rory]

No, you don't have to walk outside.

[Kevin Clancy]

No, that. That's where I mean, I. I also think I've been around long enough that like, once you've. I don't know, I've said so many. I've had so many opinions and said so many things and been wrong so many times and stupid so many times and. And controversial so many times that eventually, I don't know, I don't even worry about it anymore because it's like, yeah, it's like 911 here, still going.

[Rory]

It's like 9 11. Eventually congressmen are gonna be like, yeah, people do forget. People are gonna be fine with it eventually. So, yeah, I was actually A standing congressman at that time, but who gives a.

[Jamal]

Now.

[Rory]

Now It's a conspiracy.

[Jamal]

Nobody.

[Rory]

01. I was like, let's go to Iraq.

[Kevin Clancy]

Facts don't matter.

[Jamal]

Did you get a chance to see the Don Lemon Elon interview now?

[Rory]

Whenever the clip that went really viral between the two of them and it was cut down. Admittedly, I didn't see the entire context, but I will tell you what everyone's outraged about. Donlin was asking Elon Musk about sort of affirmative action in some degree. Not directly that, but black doctors getting the same opportunities because a majority of doctors are white. Elon Musk took that and answered it completely incorrectly and said, why should we lower the standards of doctors? Because we've. You know, that would make people die.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

If we don't have a higher standard answer, though, of doctor, that's not good. And Don Lemon was like, no, I'm saying, do you have any evidence of that? He's like, no, but I can see in that scenario, if we lower the standard, people will die. And he's saying there's been no history of black doctors coming into the medical field and people dying.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right.

[Rory]

So, yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

You're implying that black people are not good doctors. That's a.

[Jamal]

That's not a good answer.

[Rory]

And even if Elon didn't mean that, it's exactly like what it sounded. And that's why that whole, like, you only have five more minutes thing started to come into play out of here. Because he sounded insane. Well, because island was like, I'm not saying we should lower.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, it's like you're saying that, bro. Yeah, you brought. That was on your mind.

[Jamal]

But I think that was the problem. I think Elon felt like you're trying to make it seem like that's what I was meant to say, and I'm. That's not what I meant.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, I'm sure Don was doing some gotcha.

[Jamal]

Yeah, like. Like that. Like, you try to corner somebody in an interview and say, oh, so what do you mean by that?

[Kevin Clancy]

Right.

[Jamal]

Like, I'm telling you exactly what I mean. That's not what I'm implying.

[Kevin Clancy]

Well, also, listen, Elon Musk is one of the weirdest to ever live. Like, brilliant dude. Rockets, space exploration, all that. But at the end of the day, he is just desperate to look cool, be funny, and be popular.

[Jamal]

That's what.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like, I think this whole Twitter thing was. Like, they were calling him the Meme Lord. And, like, anything even remotely funny, people are like, oh, my God, he's hilarious. And it's like, what? So I mean, like, that dude.

[Rory]

Yeah, he's definitely.

[Kevin Clancy]

But he just wants like the approval. Like, he should not be doing big interviews that aren't anything outside of like, tell me about the science behind.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Space walking.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

You know, talking about all this other is like, he's probably not really the. The most equipped guy to do that socially.

[Jamal]

But I think that's why he did the interview is because people don't really either one. They don't know much about him away from his companies and things like that. They want to know more about Elon the person. They don't want to know about Elon. Why?

[Rory]

I mean, when you create Mark Cuban, like, Mark Cuban outside of his business was organically hilarious.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. And like, entertainment would just be like, I am a scientific weirdo, bro. Like, I'm not.

[Jamal]

Lean into it.

[Rory]

I'm.

[Kevin Clancy]

I am so. I'm so much smarter than you and that's all that matters. Yeah. I don't need to be funny. I don't need to make funny memes. Like, I'm just here to. To like, you know, be, invent and change the future and like that.

[Rory]

And I mean, this is my ignorant side I brought up. He does so many interviews and I know nothing that he really contributes to the world. I think electric cars. I get it. He's not the only one doing it. He made a flamethrower. I think he had something to do with PayPal. Cool on board. You made a private rocket.

[Kevin Clancy]

That train, man, that hyper. Hyperspeed training. Why is he getting that? That's. It's so. We are the worst country. We're so far behind that talk conspiracy. I don't think it's conspiracy. It's just that airlines are never going to let that happen.

[D]

It's intentional.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Rory]

After being brainwashed by the Kanye Pablo album, when he was hanging out with Elon and Elon was like, yo, I'm going to build underground tunnels in la. I was like, I'm on board with this guy, yo, cuz, this could actually make people's lives a little bit easier. That was. That disappeared. And then he was on Rogan with a flamethrower. And I was like, he smoked weed.

[Kevin Clancy]

And all right, man.

[Rory]

Is this the same guy we think he is?

[Kevin Clancy]

This is my thing. And I would you want to talk about, like, hipsters? I was. I was a OG Elon Musk hater. And I can't even knock him for it, though. He would just say, and it doesn't matter if he can't actually do it. He just says, he's just like, we're gonna go to Jupiter by 2019. And it's like, well yeah, we, we didn't do it, bro. We're gonna be able to travel around the world in 30 minutes by, you know, the end of the decade. It's like, well, I guess we'll wait for another six years to prove you right or wrong, but by then no one's even gonna remember or care. But you're smart enough that people are like, like, oh, it could happen. I'm just gonna start saying that he.

[Rory]

Went with the Steve Jobs business model, but Steve Jobs actually delivered with his Insane. Yeah, with help obviously.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right?

[Rory]

But yeah, Elon saying that insane just kind of got a rocket up after like the 15 years we've known him. How are we gonna get to Jupiter? You're having trouble with the first cloud in the sky, dude.

[Kevin Clancy]

Every time.

[Rory]

And I'm not on you because I.

[D]

Could never make a rocket, man, you on him.

[Kevin Clancy]

Every time I turn around there's a space.

[Rory]

Then don't make those claims.

[D]

He's got a self landing rocket.

[Kevin Clancy]

Incredible blow up and whatever, man.

[D]

Well, they have to blow up. Not everything's gonna be a home run.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Also full circle in that Titanic conspiracy. If Jack didn't do that, we wouldn't have got the NASA funding. Between the world work one thing. Yeah, neither here nor there. But I think it's cool that he has money and is doing the private rocket shit. But to your point, don't make claims that we're gonna do all this wild shit and now we need to celebrate 10 years later. Just for getting to the clock in my everyday life.

[D]

Isn't that what a dream is though? You just have to like say it. Maybe you shouldn't say it publicly, but like.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, but, but you don't get credit for it, man. Yeah, I'm not saying that's what I'm saying he gets credit for.

[D]

Well, because I think he gets credit because his track record proves that he has a history of like dreaming big and accomplishing those very things. Like if I say, yo, we're going to Jupiter in 10 years, it means nothing because I have no record of space activity.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, but I'm saying I think even when he. Yes, he has a better chance of doing that than you, but like not that much better. Like, like we're talking about like not possible.

[D]

The kind of thinking that.

[Rory]

And, but. All right, let's again to the tinfoil hat. Because I have my tinfoil hat on. Yes, I can respect somebody that yells out an insane dream and has a track record of accomplishing it. I think that's great. Steve Jobs, one of them. He's changed the world. But when we don't have health care and the aliens are here, I don't really care about Elon Musk trying to create technology that the aliens already have. Let's just go talk to them. And we don't have health care, so.

[Kevin Clancy]

We got some other. We got bigger fish.

[Rory]

You're not a hero to me.

[Kevin Clancy]

We got bigger fish to fry. Okay, but go have a conference.

[Rory]

Go talk to a fucking alien and make that rocket work. And then figure out how I can walk into a hospital and cure this disease real quick. Quick.

[Jamal]

They're not gonna let that happen.

[D]

Well, they would never cure. Yeah, I mean, you want to talk about.

[Rory]

All right, then. Elon, don't look at Don Lemon and say black doctors can't go into the hospital.

[Kevin Clancy]

What I don't get is, obviously a brilliant dude. Whatever. We're being somewhat tongue in cheek. But, like, the. The people who dick ride Elon Musk are very weird to me.

[D]

Losers.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like, I mean, I'm sure people say that. That about sports, too. Like, yeah, we dick ride everybody, But I don't know. There's something about. It's like athletes are, like, doing. Doing something. I guess they are comparable in a way, but I don't know. It's just like, you just ride this guy's dick because he's, like, a billionaire and you think he's, like, funny. It just feels. I just could never do that. I don't.

[Jamal]

But dick riding anybody is weird, not just Elon.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, I guess you could say that.

[Jamal]

Shannon Sharp after the Warriors Lakers game was, you know, he's a LeBron, you know, stand. He was seen in the. In the back. Back, like, by the locker rooms. He asked Steph Curry for his sneakers, his game sneakers that he wore. Steph took him off and signed them and gave him to Shannon Sharpe. And everybody was like, yo, first of all, aren't you this big? LeBron. He just beat LeBron at the crypto Arena.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Jamal]

And you're back by the locker room getting his sneakers. But then people were like, yo. But then this is Shannon Sharpe.

[Kevin Clancy]

You have your own accomplishments.

[Jamal]

Yeah. Like, you one of the greatest tight ends to ever play. NFL hall of Famer.

[Kevin Clancy]

That makes it like, oh, I can see both sides of that where it's like, yo, you should not be so, like, impressed because you're one of the greats, too. But also, It. It's almost like he's secure in doing that. You know what I mean? Like, he's like, yeah, I didn't see.

[Jamal]

Nothing wrong with it.

[D]

I don't either.

[Rory]

Yeah, I don't care.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. I'm surprised that this, that.

[Jamal]

That's because if you're an athlete, you're probably a collector. You have jerseys, some guys that you enjoy, watching them play and things like that. I didn't think it was anything wrong with Shannon I were to do that.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's almost like some schmuck. His life is like being made by the fact that he got Steph Curry's shoes. Whereas I think Shannon Sharp's more. No, I wasn't respect to you as a.

[Jamal]

It was just funny to me because it's like he's such a LeBron fan and you can tell, like, he didn't want to be seen maybe.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Jamal]

Step sneakers. So it's kind of like Sharp and.

[Rory]

Stephen are going to be seen together.

[Kevin Clancy]

Where are you at? Do you wear jerseys? You wear it. You. You one of those. Like, I don't wear another man's name on my back.

[Jamal]

When I was younger, I did. But. Yeah, you get older and you start to meet some of these guys in real life, you're like, oh, he's a fucking dick.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jamal]

Why would I wear. So then now I look at it like, all of these guys can be dead, but some of them are cool. But I'm just not a. I don't wear jersey.

[Kevin Clancy]

But then more reason, like, if you meet somebody and they're cool and you wear their jersey, it's like the last.

[Jamal]

Jersey I bought was.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, right, right.

[D]

I like him.

[Rory]

And it's not like I ever wore a jersey because I thought they were like a good guy.

[Kevin Clancy]

No, I wore it.

[Rory]

Yeah. You know what? He's probably silly. He's probably nice guy, bro. When I was just a great athlete, I was at or that team had a great logo and a great color that matched with what I was wearing.

[Kevin Clancy]

I bought a jersey. I bought a Jason Kid Mavericks jersey when I was a kid, strictly because they mispriced the tag.

[Jamal]

Oh. So back.

[Kevin Clancy]

This was back when jerseys were like 40, 50, and I was a kid and I was like, you know, saving up for like one of them.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

And I got. It was like 54 size. It was huge, bros. That's like my knees. But it was like 14.99.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

And I had to buy it and the girl rung it up and she was like, like, yeah. Like, you got us Whatever. So I ran around wearing that jersey down to my knees as like a, probably like a 10 year old just looking like a clown.

[Jamal]

The last jersey that I purchased and, and, and wear sometimes is a Yankee Dom maddening jersey. So I wore it. We, we did a. Oh yeah, you.

[D]

Wore it to the game.

[Jamal]

We went to the game. Went to the Yankees.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's another thing too. If you wear it to the games. I don't know, I'm not gonna.

[Jamal]

No different. Not only do I wear it to the game, but Dom Mattingly is, is the manager for the Devil Rays. So the Yankees were playing the Rays that day. We went. So when we were walking to have like the on field, they took us on the field before.

[D]

Nah, we ain't playing the Blue Jays that day.

[Rory]

Blue Jays.

[Jamal]

I'm sorry, not the Devil Rays. Blue Jays. And so as we're walking to the field, we're walking back by the locker rooms. Don Mattingly is standing outside of the Blue Jays locker room. He's talking to somebody. So as we're walking through, I'm like, oh shit, there goes Don Mattingly right there. So I'm kind of trying to walk at an angle where he sees the 23 on the back. Like I'm trying to kind of. So he kind of like maybe stopped me and I'm like, yeah, just sign it. I'll never wear it again. Yeah, he didn't look up.

[Kevin Clancy]

Nah. And I didn't see it.

[Jamal]

But it's all good.

[Kevin Clancy]

I was trying. I don't, I don't know if I could think of the last jersey I got, I wouldn't even know, man.

[Jamal]

That was the, and that was just. Because that was just a, A jersey I remember having as a kid.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Rory]

The only throwback I had was Walt Frazier and Knicks, which I like lost somewhere that I'm tight. It was like the authentic throwback.

[Kevin Clancy]

The nicest year I had a, like a Mitchell and Ness. The, it was like a Jerry west jersey. But when, when the, the Lakers were like purple and blue like that, that, that era of jersey. But again, I looked ridiculous wearing them. Looking back on that, man.

[Rory]

Bro, looking back, they made a comeback to some degree. Like people wear jerseys and it doesn't look crazy the way it used to.

[Jamal]

I think social media ruined buying jerseys for me because like, once you see.

[Rory]

These friend ruined it. No, but once Jay Z said, no, no more throwback. You ruined it.

[Kevin Clancy]

You man. Now I can't wait. I got a haul.

[Rory]

I got a closet full of these.

[Kevin Clancy]

Things that are not cool anymore.

[Rory]

My mom was trying to make ends meet and buy me a throwback. And then Jay Z was like, nah. Was like, what the.

[Jamal]

Yeah, we're not wearing that no more.

[Rory]

I can't buy you a button up now, too.

[Jamal]

No, I just think that once you get.

[D]

Once you start going from a Jersey to a button up, that was the nasty side.

[Kevin Clancy]

That was the progression, bro.

[Jamal]

That was the nastiest transition ever.

[Kevin Clancy]

The fact that he literally said button up is. To me, it's like, put on a. Put on a button up, boys.

[Jamal]

We're getting 30 plus.

[Kevin Clancy]

We got to put on.

[Jamal]

We're growing up. We got to grow up sometime.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. I. There. There are pictures of me from, like, you know, middle school and high school just looking ridiculous.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah. I was trying to find my phone.

[Jamal]

Everybody had that era.

[Kevin Clancy]

I love that era. But looking back on it, I mean, we used to go to the. The Cross County Mall or the Galleria and get, you know, every piece of Sean John, every piece of Rockaware, Nietzsche, all that. I just. I never. I was not allowed to wear fubu, and I never wore Mecca. Those are two things I'm not touching. I was like, I don't know what. I know what one means. I don't know what the other one even means.

[Rory]

I'm out on that.

[Kevin Clancy]

I probably shouldn't be wearing any of this, but I'm definitely not touching this.

[Rory]

Seeing a FUBU sweatsuit abbreviation, they Change.

[Kevin Clancy]

It to 4us for you, by us.

[D]

By us.

[Kevin Clancy]

But then they tried to change to be like, no white people can buy it, too.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

And for you, by us. You know, it's like, everybody's in now.

[Jamal]

It's all inclusive. It's all inclusive.

[Kevin Clancy]

Everybody's like, I'm not touching them.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. We looked absurd. Man had a bucket hat on. Oh, no.

[Jamal]

You went through the bucket phase.

[Kevin Clancy]

I had a. Like a towel. Yeah. Terry Claude, bucket hat. It was dope hat. But I just. People like me shouldn't be wearing it. I should be wearing a button up.

[Jamal]

And looking like the rest. Malibu's most wanted era right there.

[D]

Sick fit.

[Kevin Clancy]

It was. It was like we had just moved from City island to. To Westchester, and there was like, you know, there was like, preppy kids who dress like what I probably should have been dressing like.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

But I was hanging out with a bunch of black and Puerto Rican kids, so I started dressing like that.

[Jamal]

Exactly, exactly.

[Rory]

You could wear a jersey if you were in City Island. You're allowed.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yes.

[Rory]

But, like, how nasty is this? Baggy Rockefeller?

[Kevin Clancy]

Hell, yeah.

[Rory]

Polo with throwing the rock up.

[Kevin Clancy]

If we could throw. Of course, Dynasty, man.

[Rory]

We'll put it. If you're watching on video, I'll make sure.

[Kevin Clancy]

If you're not watching. Mall is literally disgusted. Like, it looks like he just smelled a fart.

[Rory]

I was maybe 14 in this photo.

[Jamal]

Why are you throwing up the rock?

[Rory]

You don't understand what it was like when someone had a camera like, that would do something. That was a crazy.

[Jamal]

We don't know.

[Kevin Clancy]

I actually don't know when people are like, either take a picture of me or they do, like, a story real quick.

[Jamal]

When I don't know what to do.

[Kevin Clancy]

I. I'm always just like, yo, what's up? Yeah, I'm terrible at it. So if I could just. Maybe I'll just start doing that.

[Rory]

Like, you know how, like, proud I was to, like, have that polo?

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

And.

[Rory]

Yeah. I didn't know. And you know that, like, one girl that had a digital camera.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yep. Around the wrist, like, snapping.

[Rory]

Yeah, of course. I was just like, yo.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yup.

[D]

That's sick.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[D]

Look where your family started.

[Kevin Clancy]

I was gonna say.

[Jamal]

That's disgusting, man. I'm sorry y'all went through that, dude.

[Kevin Clancy]

I had a metal belt from one of those brands. It was like, literally metal.

[Jamal]

Oh, the. The BB Simon belts, like, the one that. The BB Simons.

[Kevin Clancy]

I'm sure it was not like, the Night Trash. Oh, the G G unit was something else. I didn't touch either.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Walking around wearing the shirt that had, like, the gun holstered, like, sewed to it.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

I was like, all right.

[Jamal]

Yeah, I gotta draw a line somewhere.

[D]

How do you wash that? That.

[Jamal]

Listen, dry clean it.

[Rory]

When I got the blue Iverson jersey, I matched it with yellow swim trunks, baby. Because it was the only jersey I.

[Jamal]

Had when he was a kid. That doesn't count. Fashion choices as a kid don't count.

[Rory]

Fire had that jersey and the white Tracy McGrady Magic jersey.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, that was dope. I would fire love for that. If that somehow made a comeback, we could dress like that again.

[Jamal]

They just don't. They don't. The jerseys are just too big. It's like. It's just. Where would you wear. That's why I choose a baseball jersey, because that's kind of more.

[D]

It's like a T shirt.

[Kevin Clancy]

A shirt? Yeah, that's a button up, you know, exactly.

[Jamal]

Like basketball jersey. It's just too. Where am I going with this?

[Kevin Clancy]

And it's like a tank top. You put a shirt.

[Jamal]

Yeah, like, I got it.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh, you know what? The last one, I probably Got was. But it was. I mean, I ran to the store to get mellow on the Nuggets when they rebranded with the. The yellow and the baby blue.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

That was like.

[Jamal]

That was a classic mellow. Mellow Nuggets jersey was a fire jersey.

[Rory]

And as dumb as we were for all of that, girls were into it.

[Kevin Clancy]

And I remember the jersey dresses. Oh, my God. Maya went, I will propose to you in a heartbeat. So I remember this girl wearing a Sacramento Kings jersey dress. And I was like, I am in love with you. God damn.

[Rory]

There's nothing more sexually appealing than a woman in a jersey dress, in my opinion.

[Kevin Clancy]

What a time cuts right here.

[Jamal]

Yeah, I'm different. It doesn't even have to be a jersey dress. Just a dress. Just. That's the type of guy.

[Rory]

Just to be a woman.

[Jamal]

Yeah. Just to be a woman.

[D]

Jersey dress is sick.

[Rory]

Jersey dresses were so dope to our women listeners. Were you guys.

[E]

I've done it.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. Which team.

[E]

When did I had a Cleveland Cavaliers jersey dress?

[Jamal]

LeBron.

[Kevin Clancy]

LeBron. So it was, like, as recent. Yeah. I wasn't sure if that leg ever, you know, stuck around or not, because this was, like, out.

[E]

It's coming. It's coming back.

[Jamal]

Is it?

[E]

Yes.

[D]

Jersey dresses.

[Kevin Clancy]

Big news.

[Rory]

So there's a girl.

[E]

There's a girl. I think either her husband plays for the team, if I'm not mistaken. What's the team that just won the Super Bowl?

[Kevin Clancy]

The Ners.

[D]

She did the jacket for Taylor Swift.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. And she's got, like, a brand now.

[E]

Bringing back the branding of our, like, you know, reconfiguring jerseys and all that stuff into fashion.

[Kevin Clancy]

So the NFL, it has to be.

[Rory]

A throwback with the new generation. Because, like, if she has on a jersey dress of a current player, I'mma think she. Yeah, Like, I don't think she's just.

[E]

That's so whack, Rory.

[Rory]

Like, she has to, like, really be. She has to be a fan of O3 LeBron at this point.

[Kevin Clancy]

You can still be LeBron today, man.

[Jamal]

Oh, yeah. You can't put on Pat Mahomes jersey dress, though. Like, we saw Jersey dress. Why Pat Mahomes jersey dress?

[D]

Why Pat my home? Stop.

[Jamal]

Come on.

[Rory]

But is that, like, are the girls wearing.

[Kevin Clancy]

Why is that much more ridiculous?

[Jamal]

Because, all right, if you see a cute, a beautiful girl and in a Pat Mahomes jersey, you have to assume.

[Rory]

Like, like, no, not Pat Mahomes.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh, no.

[E]

She couldn't just be a fan of the team.

[Jamal]

No.

[Rory]

Well, no, she's not. But I also don't think she pat my homes if she has on a Miami Dolphins Tariq Hill jersey dress he beat on Collins.

[Jamal]

Oh. Cause you're saying Pat is not that type of guy. He's a. He's a.

[Rory]

My bad. If I just put that on.

[Kevin Clancy]

Literally.

[D]

Well, the reason why she was able to do this too is because the NFL, which never does this, that's how you know they're in good stance with her and Taylor Swift, they. They approved the licensing to let her use license logos and, and team names, which is the first time ever they've done this.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[D]

And it. They gave it to her.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's good PR all around for them. Yeah, that's why they do that.

[Rory]

I mean, they're, they're going off the, the Jordan model, like let's re release shit at a small clip for branding. That's all that is. That stuff looks great though.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[D]

So she. Yeah, she was doing custom cells, one offs, whatever. But yeah. Now obviously with the license, you can go crazy and sell them in. In bulk.

[Kevin Clancy]

Bulk.

[Jamal]

Well, hopefully. Is her boyfriend or husband a player?

[D]

He's a fullback on the 49ers.

[Jamal]

Well, that's why they there.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Jamal]

Like if she was just some random girl doing that, but still you.

[Kevin Clancy]

You open up, you know, it's like the next girl, the next person trying to do it. You're going to give them the license too? No.

[Rory]

A lot of random girls in the NFL.

[Jamal]

Not unless you're sucking NFL dick.

[D]

That's a prerequisite for a lot of stuff.

[Rory]

What do you think they'll bring back, like some of the Nickelodeon merchants?

[Kevin Clancy]

Church.

[Rory]

Oh, too soon.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[D]

Feet pics.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[E]

I had a tie in a Nickelodeon children jean jacket.

[D]

You had a Nickelodeon jean jacket?

[E]

It was a tiny jean jacket.

[Rory]

It's fine. They were only after us. You were safe.

[Jamal]

Only the whites?

[Rory]

No, only the boys.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh, yo.

[Rory]

Oh. Actually, no, I take that back. They were definitely going after this.

[D]

Anyone could get it.

[Kevin Clancy]

So many people should be going to jail on this dude. Dude, like they, they hired like people who were known pedophiles. Pedophiles.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

The one dude who got convicted works on I think the Suite Life of Zach and Cody after getting convicted.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's insane. That like, that guy obviously should be out of here. But the dude who hired him.

[Jamal]

Yes. Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Kill him too.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's nuts that the one. The main guy. They said the girl wrote the book. Book Prior to all this, this documentary. The girl wrote the book last year. Said they like knew about it to the point that they made a separate room for him where he would go in and watch what's going on and direct. And then someone else would run out and give the notes because they were like, he can't be around the kids. But that's not enough to fire him.

[Jamal]

He shouldn't even be.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's here. Yeah, Sane. And I'm like. And then there's the. There's a couple. I haven't seen the whole. The whole documentary, but I've seen the picture, the clips, and the dad being like. I knew something was off, so I didn't like him being around him. But, like, it just ended up happening.

[Rory]

What? What do you mean?

[Kevin Clancy]

It just ended up happening? So get the out of here.

[Rory]

So for those that don't know, on Max, right? HBO Max.

[Kevin Clancy]

Well, it was on Investigative Discovery, but it might be.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's on Max. We're late to the party. Which is insane, because when they were putting dates up of this and it was public, I was like, how did no one hear about it? So last night I watched the first three episodes. Quiet on the set. That they tricked me. Even though I knew going into it this was going to be some pedophile. The first episode was just such a great, nostalgic time to look back at Nickelodeon shows, all that. Everything.

[Kevin Clancy]

Bro, this is so creepy.

[D]

Sorry.

[Rory]

It goes left so quickly.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's also. He is like, the grossest, fattest slob in the world. It's like, not that it would matter what you look like, but he just fits the part to the Max.

[Jamal]

And it definitely does looks like a beached whale.

[Kevin Clancy]

Ugh. There's that clip of Ariana Grande with the potato you saw.

[D]

Oh, my God.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like, things that. I guess there's so many things that just through a different lens, I guess just didn't look that bad.

[Rory]

Then I remember the pickle. Like, Pickle guy. Yeah, I remember all of that. And I never thought it was weird, but I was a kid.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Rory]

How did adults not not see this?

[Kevin Clancy]

I mean, bro, everybody was an adult telling a girl to lay down with her head over the bed. Like, come on. There's only one other place in the. In the world that you see that happening.

[Rory]

Yeah, she's squeezing the potato right now, going like, juices.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like.

[D]

And I guess, Dan. Well, not. I guess it's revealed that he has a pretty bad foot fetish where he would go around sets and ask kids. He would give them money, cash to take photos of their feet. And then there were also, like, people say the subliminals of the Nickelodeon logo itself, which was a foot. And he would sneak in into the script, you know, little foot play, little foot jabs and like that. Like, it just.

[Rory]

So what was sick about this actual. Yeah, this is episode with Dan Snyder, who was the creator of a lot of Nickelodeon shows. High exec there. He. They'd say about, like, Ariana Grande and the potatoes, the pickle guy, all this. But when it came to Dan Schneider getting kicked out of a writer's room, we reached out to Dan Schneider. He commented back and said he was never kicked out of a writer's room. Then there was like a gender hire where he hired a guy editor instead of a woman editor. Dan Schneider commented back and said gender never played a role in hiring. But throughout the entire thing, there's mad rapey pedophile going on. Dan Schneider never said, nah, it wasn't me.

[Kevin Clancy]

I was gonna say, like, the only.

[Rory]

Time he made comment was, yeah, I was never kicked out of a writer's.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right. Which, like, is probably true because no one, you know, you had power and money.

[Rory]

Like, what a narcissistic thing to think. Like, nah, I'm that funny. They would never kick me out of a writer's room. That's what you commented on, dude.

[Kevin Clancy]

The absolute worst of the worst these people deserve. I mean, and I. I mean, I had heard about this guy for a while. I didn't know all but, like, between that book and just rumors, it's kind of a Weinstein thing. Or it was like, we know what's going on on. And I guess it takes till a documentary comes out for people to really move on it. But, like, what happens now?

[Jamal]

Nothing.

[Kevin Clancy]

You don't think so? Because, I mean, usually, like, like, I mean, it happened with R. Kelly Weinstein. I feel like once this comes out, usually something does happen.

[Rory]

So Dan, I don't know if there's enough, like, he was never put on trial for anything actually within sexual assault of children.

[Kevin Clancy]

He was just running that atmosphere.

[Rory]

He was running sexism, clearly was okay with that environment.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Rory]

It was one of the PAs that was sending child actors emails of him jerking off. They found everything he got. Three years, came out in 09, 2014. Arrested for sexual assault to a child.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right. Like, no.

[Rory]

Which is insane.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Rory]

The main one was a Brian Peck.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Which you had posted about.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Rory]

He was a, like, dialogue teacher, actor, whatever. And would, you know, know damn near live with these kids to teach them, then try to become their manager and meanwhile was them. And it makes you think about that environment of why you wouldn't treat it even more sensitive even though it was a different time and people didn't give a. If you're in a kids environment, there's no excuse. We're not being too woke in saying that if you're dealing with kids, we need to vet every person that is left alone with a child without their parent.

[Kevin Clancy]

But you know, it's so weird looking at like when. When all the Diddy went down a couple weeks ago, there was video of him and Bieber when Bieber spent 24 hours with Diddy and it was weird because the. The video is like 13 years old now or some and half the comments are from then and half the com comments are from now. And the one from all the comments from back then are like, oh my God, it's so crazy to watch our boy Justin grow up. And like this is such a dream like dream team, like whatever duo. And then the new comments are like how the did we miss this? But it really was like, like I don't know. Or. Or maybe. Maybe it's more people were.

[Jamal]

I mean I. I even go back.

[Kevin Clancy]

Look and turn a blind eye.

[Jamal]

But R. Kelly, like we saw the video of him peeing on that little.

[Kevin Clancy]

It was a joke. It was laughing about it on Chappelle show.

[Jamal]

And then he still put out albums after that that we supported, went on tour after that. It was like yo, did we not just see this video together? Like he's peeing on a little girl. Yeah, but it wasn't nothing.

[Kevin Clancy]

But at least those people were like. Like I shouldn't say at least. And it does not mitigate what they did. But they were the stars. You know who's a about Dan Schneider? Like okay, he can. He can write a good children's script or some like we can make other children's shows without you, bro.

[Jamal]

Right.

[Kevin Clancy]

We don't need.

[Jamal]

Right?

[Kevin Clancy]

This guy.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

You know when they were saying like that we will keep him on set, but we'll keep him in a separate room. Like just go get another producer director Ariana Grande and and and whoever else they'll be fine. We don't need this guy.

[Jamal]

Right.

[Rory]

Okay. But that's also not shooting any bail in that regards. But if you're looking at an exec that is running a Viacom where Nickelodeon, even though it's extremely profitable is just one small branch. I can't do day to day. I see that Dan Snider. What's that report called when you get back all the TV results Nielsen numbers. So they. They brought the Nielsen numbers in the second episode. The Nielsen number one through 15 was Nickelodeon shows created by Dan Snyder. So.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, so I guess on some level.

[Rory]

You need to vet everyone. I can see the exec that's overseeing Nickelodeon like that.

[Kevin Clancy]

That almost makes it worse.

[Rory]

I'm just.

[Kevin Clancy]

It means he was like, so good at, like. I mean, with little kids.

[D]

He did all that. Keenan and Cal, the Amanda show, drake and Josh, Zoe 101 iCarly, Victorious, Salmon Cat, Henry, Danger Game Shakers, Adventure, Danger Kid, Good Burger, Nicola. And he produced the big. The film Big Fat Liar.

[Rory]

Nickelodeon.

[D]

He was the golden era of Nickelodeon.

[Kevin Clancy]

Makes it even worse because, like, all your. All your memories and everything you liked about it, this is kind of past me. So these were not my shows. But, like, I mean, all that.

[D]

I grew up watching a lot of these.

[Jamal]

No, but you a good burger.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, all that and Keenan and Kel. Like the Keenan Kel stuff, but like the Drake and Josh and all that shit. And then you got the. The dude Drake coming out talking about the Boy Meets World guys. Because everybody wrote letters for this guy saying he was a good dude. And I think those are always like. Like, he tried to say, like, oh, we. We knew he did something, but we didn't know the extent of it. It's like, no, no, you just thought those letters were never gonna get.

[D]

That's what 100 did not Mila Kunez in. Yeah, they were in that too.

[Kevin Clancy]

Same thing with that. With those two words, like, we know him to be a good guy. I hate that is my least.

[Jamal]

We know him.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. Like, he. Well, he's never been mean to me. He's never done anything to me. Who cares? Yeah, he didn't rape you, Ashton Kutcher. You're a grown man.

[Jamal]

Right?

[Kevin Clancy]

Like, that doesn't mean a thing. And the real thing is, like, you just thought you were not. That was never gonna go and that.

[Jamal]

Just weren't gonna be made.

[Rory]

What was more up that Drake Bell put on Instagram post this coming out towards Sean and Eric from Boy Meets World. I don't know their real names, but he said you admitted that he told.

[Kevin Clancy]

You that he did what he did.

[Rory]

To me and you still did it.

[Kevin Clancy]

And they were 27 and 24. It's not like they were kids.

[Rory]

Because everyone's like, well, they were minors. They were manipulated by this guy too. No.

[Kevin Clancy]

No, they weren't.

[Rory]

Told people in their 20s that he raped a child. And you went to court and said, no, I'll be a character witness.

[Kevin Clancy]

I don't know how these people. I mean, I Know, there's a lot of power dynamics and, like, people get silenced and all sorts of threats and. But I would. I mean, if I was a parent or something about. I just feel like I would be screaming this from the mountaintops. I would not stop talking about this.

[Jamal]

But a lot of these people don't do that because either one, they're, you know, they're probably some nasty people as well.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Jamal]

Closet, too.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Jamal]

So you can't, you know, I mean, like, you can't really out somebody when you got in your closet. That can be out of this.

[Kevin Clancy]

Would you ever let your kid be, like, an actor? Like, if you found out that your kid had had talent and it was like, you know, you're great at the school play or whatever, really, really good. Someone's like, yo, this could be a career. What do you do there? I'm like, yeah.

[Jamal]

I mean, I would, but you gotta. I would have to be close.

[Kevin Clancy]

Part of me that's like, how about we just go live a normal life and you can be a really good. Really good at the school play or some. But, like, that's. You bring your children around. You just. It's just like you make your kid an adult like that.

[Jamal]

Yeah. But you.

[Kevin Clancy]

You know, it's like.

[Jamal]

It's like when people ask, would you let your kids play, like, a violent football or something?

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Jamal]

Like, how do you keep your kid away from it? If you clearly see that that's their passion and they're good at it. It's tough now with the child. Like, one of my closest friends, his two daughters. He has twin daughters, they're actresses. But he's always, like, on set with them.

[Kevin Clancy]

I was gonna say I would never leave.

[Jamal]

He's like, always in the trailer. You know, things like that. Him or his wife, if they can't both be there, one of them are always there. I think that's just how you have to. Have to do it, have to go about it.

[Rory]

But even how this was set up by guy Dan, when they. When the guy Ben Peck, whatever the. His name was arrested, they made all the parents leave. Like, it was like a Running through a script with all the child actors. And their parents were in this one conference room. They said, can all parents leave? And then told the kids that that dude just got arrested, that he had worked with all the kids. If anyone has anything to say, like, if they touched him or whatever, let us know. None of the kids said anything.

[Kevin Clancy]

Of course not.

[Rory]

And then Dan went, okay, so let's. Let's get to set. They Made the parents get out of the room to say hey, one of our.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's what I'm saying.

[Rory]

One of our employees that's worked hand in hand with you has been kids.

[Kevin Clancy]

I'm not letting that. You're not. If you tell me leave that. I don't know. Yeah, went on in that.

[Jamal]

At that point I think you, you just have to raise your kids a certain way to like tell you everything.

[Rory]

But a lot of. And I hear to on parents, but a lot of parents that do put their kids, if that's not their passion, put them into that world, didn't get it themselves. There were some parents that they interviewed in this that was. I grew up in LA and I wanted to be an actress. It never worked out for me. So I took my daughter to a casting for all that and she got it. And now she's the mom that is. Would try to play the game her whole life. So she's not going to dance moms type shit. Yeah, that's what happens a lot of the time. One of the Girls had the PA sent him also a video in 1999 via email. Jerking off. You know the lengths you have to go to email a video?

[Kevin Clancy]

The amount of times you can say no in your brain. It's one thing when you get all up and you're just like send. It's another thing to be like send, download, compress, attach, get the email.

[Rory]

Imagine dial up. I've sent Risky consensual text signing on AOL.

[Kevin Clancy]

You got mail.

[Rory]

I've sent risky consensual texts.

[D]

Five hours to send.

[Rory]

You know that 30 seconds when you send a girl a text she wanted.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh man.

[Rory]

Waiting for a response. Imagine dial up in 1999 and you sent yourself jerking off to a kid.

[Jamal]

That's crazy. Crazy.

[Rory]

So that woman, that woman, her daughter ran into the room screaming that this pa, I forgot his name was like.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yo, he sent me that.

[Rory]

Yeah, he sent me a video of this. And the mom didn't call the cops, didn't alert anyone. Was just like, I'm gonna keep my daughter away from him.

[Kevin Clancy]

Crazy.

[D]

Nice. Well, how do you guys feel about Drake Bell, one of the co stars of Drake and Josh? Because in his case it's, you know, it's odd. These cycles repeat themselves and unfortunately he, you know, was caught texting a 12 year old girl, fled the country, is now an entertainer reporter. He lives in Mexico full time.

[Kevin Clancy]

He's Campagna. Right, Changes the name.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's, it's odd. But anyway, point being though, like he was one of these kids that was a victim and he grew up in this broken system and then he becomes. Do you give someone like that Grace, knowing that he was, Was a product of this shitty environment?

[E]

I mean, Grace how?

[D]

Well, I mean, obviously what he did is horrible, but I think it's like you.

[Kevin Clancy]

We know why. Yeah, we know he did it because it happened to him. And that sucks. But I, I mean, it's. I don't. No, come on. There's people who have horrible things happen to them and then don't turn around and do it. And I understand that's why it happened, but I don't think that's. There's, There could be a reason. That's not necessarily.

[Jamal]

No, that's never an excuse. No.

[Kevin Clancy]

And he.

[Rory]

I, I heard R. Kelly was abused. I watched the whole thing. Yeah, he was sexually abused, which is. Aw.

[Kevin Clancy]

But it doesn't, but doesn't.

[Jamal]

Doesn't clear.

[Kevin Clancy]

There's people who take the steps to make sure that they don't, you know.

[Jamal]

Don'T ever put that type of pain on somebody else.

[Rory]

Yeah, we only make jokes on here about my. I, I've never thought or acted. It's never even crossed my mind.

[Jamal]

Right.

[D]

This is a unique case.

[Rory]

So I. No, I don't have a lot of grace, like, because I did see that once. You know, anytime you watch a documentary, you then go on the Internet and do even more deep dives. So I never watched Drake and Josh. I knew who he was, but I didn't know that he also had similar shit that he did to a girl. After that, I was like, all right, what happened with that? But no, I don't, I don't know if we have. We had the exact same experience. Has seemed very excessive. But. Yeah, I've never thought that I would go.

[D]

And I'm. I'm not like, I don't know if.

[Rory]

It'S really an excuse. I get it, but I don't.

[D]

I'm not shooting in bail. I'm just trying to attack this from, like, the other side. Because you also have to think, in your case, it was just up, up. There was no, like, success being held over you. Like, in, in Drake's case, it was happening to him, but it was also happening to him in the process that was making him wealthy a celebrity. Like, his trauma was attached to success and like my childhood, my career. So I, I just feel like from. It meant. Not that it's belittles anyone else's experience, but I feel like all of his trauma is literally Attached to the most successful, the highest point in his life.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right.

[Rory]

Sure.

[D]

That's so ingratiated in his DNA that I feel like that's just it. I don't know. I. I don't know.

[Rory]

He was growing, but it seemed like he groomed that 12 year old girl because she wanted to be in showbiz or something. They, they definitely match.

[Kevin Clancy]

There's. I guess there's details. He cops to a felony child endangerment. Like I don't think you, you pleaded that unless there was people. Like he didn't. Oh, I never saw the picture. And it was sexual. It's like, like if I didn't do anything, there's no way I'm gonna settle for felony child endangerment.

[Rory]

So something happened.

[Kevin Clancy]

Get the out of here.

[Rory]

I will sit in prison before I plead.

[D]

Text messages he sent.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's, it's, it's tough to be the face of it. Like cuz I, I learned, you know, my first thing was like this is horrible. And it doesn't make it not horrible, but when the face of it is also a guy who did it, it's like, well, Jesus. I mean you're all. This is all up. Everybody's an here.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah. And speaks to just the entertainment system in general. Like.

[Jamal]

Yeah, that's why Wicked industry.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. That's why I like, I mean even, even if things go good, let's say you don't encounter this. The entertainment industry is a. Yeah. Like you're putting your kid. Putting that on your kid so early. Dude, my kid just yesterday I was talking to my son. Son. He. A couple times in a row, he didn't want to go to martial arts. And he finally just like let it all out and was like, it's too much. I'm doing baseball, basketball now I'm doing football, martial arts. I had a test in school. He's six.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

And I was like, awesome. Done. Like bro, like it's over. Like martial arts is over, bro. You never have to go again.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

So like, even when things are going good, it can be too much for these kids, let alone if it's the absolute worst thing that that can happen.

[Jamal]

And you keep sending them back to them.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh my God. Imagine.

[Rory]

Because. And you're also teaching them in that environment. Even as adults, if you're on set, as an actor on a sitcom, you are trained to be a silent employee and get the job done.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You're here to show up and work and show up.

[Kevin Clancy]

Everyone's brainwashed, man.

[Rory]

That's tough for adults. You put that on a kid, now you're training their actual brain to exist in the world that way.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right. And that's why they go out and do up, because that's what they were told, taught.

[Rory]

But I. I just still think anyone that wants to work with children should.

[Kevin Clancy]

Be vetted to the maximum, bro. Yeah.

[Rory]

And we're not here to throw that on your jacket, but this just has to be the process, bro.

[Kevin Clancy]

Even I'm doing, like, with my son. I'm, like, kind of an assistant coach, and anytime it's, like, someone else's kid, I'm just. I'm very. I'm just like, I don't know. You can do whatever. You know, I'm gonna give instruction to my kids. I'll touch him to, like, do whatever you want.

[Jamal]

You're not mine.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. Like, I'm always playing with my kids. Like, we'll be at the park, and I'm, you know, I'm chasing them and touching them. We're playing tag. I'm grabbing them, and then other kids want to do that, and I'm like, nope, I'm not touching you.

[Jamal]

No tag.

[Kevin Clancy]

Can you be the monster grabs me? No, not.

[Rory]

Not you.

[Kevin Clancy]

You.

[Jamal]

Can you be a monster that grabs me? No, I cannot.

[Kevin Clancy]

No.

[Rory]

For those.

[Kevin Clancy]

And that's.

[Rory]

It.

[D]

Started taking Mar to swimming lessons, and he thinks every dad or every man should be in a T shirt in the pool. So I wish I was joking, but that's.

[Rory]

Everyone laughs at that. It's not a joke.

[Kevin Clancy]

I. I heard that. I listened to all these epis episodes. It's very funny for me to be here on this, because I.

[Rory]

Am I wrong for that?

[Jamal]

Yes.

[Kevin Clancy]

A T shirt.

[Jamal]

Come on.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's just because it ends up being so goofy that you're just like. Because it bubbles up and sticks to you, and then it looks like you're in, like, a wet T shirt.

[Jamal]

We're swimming, bro. Like, come on.

[Rory]

No. I showed you guys a video when I was doing the butterfly. I wear, like, athletic. That's what I wear to the gym.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

I'll have, like, a sleeveless compression shirt on. I just feel like.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like, the other side of it is, like, put your nipples away, bro.

[Jamal]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Put your nipples away. My kids around. Put your nipples away.

[Rory]

Pasties sometime. Like, when Amara.

[Jamal]

Have the lifeguards put pasties.

[Rory]

No. Now it's kinky, and now I really want to know why. But, like, yeah, when Amara sometimes does her scoops and scoops too much, I don't want her to run into some hairy ass Grabbing some chest or on top of that, some other woman's titty. Like everyone should cover up.

[Kevin Clancy]

Up just like the teachers, right?

[Rory]

At a kid's swimming lesson.

[Kevin Clancy]

When you two almost started getting going just a second ago, I was like, I'm watching this in real time.

[D]

Where do you fall in the teacher argument? Because that was another big point.

[Kevin Clancy]

Oh, I shouldn't have. I shouldn't have said it.

[Jamal]

There you go.

[D]

The room was split.

[Kevin Clancy]

I'm probably split myself. I do see both sides of it. But if you borrowed ass and you got ass, you should be able to be a teacher. But I can understand being like, I.

[Rory]

Just feel like we should protect.

[D]

Wear flowy shit. That was Rory's.

[Rory]

Yes.

[D]

The line.

[Rory]

Even if you have, you should start.

[Kevin Clancy]

A line called flowy shit.

[D]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Poor teachers, like scrubs for shit for.

[Jamal]

The teachers with ass promo.

[Rory]

Cobra.

[Kevin Clancy]

Rory, 20% off now it's free.

[Rory]

I'm trying. I'm trying to protect our kids.

[Jamal]

Free clothes.

[Rory]

Free flowy clothes to go at health class. It should be giving away, like, tampons and fucking condoms.

[Jamal]

Oh, man.

[Rory]

Either way, mall, I can't wait till you have a kid and have to go do swimming lessons. And you're way more homophobic than me, so. You around that many men if the swimming instructor comes with long dreads, no.

[Kevin Clancy]

Shirt, and you don't even let alone.

[Jamal]

Get in a pool with them.

[Rory]

Twinkle, twinkle, little star. Please tell me you're not going to be as bad as me.

[Jamal]

A T shirt in a pool is just ridiculous.

[Rory]

Okay, should the guy have no shirt on and a speedo? Teaching children how to.

[Jamal]

No, I agree with you on the speedo. I said that's a little aggressive. Like, just wear some shoes.

[Kevin Clancy]

Is that what he's doing is speedo?

[Rory]

That's how. That's what started this whole conversation.

[D]

That's his culture.

[Rory]

And then from there I was like, this is America.

[Jamal]

Put on some swimming trunks.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Rory]

First actually.

[Jamal]

Actually put on some basketball shorts. How about that?

[Rory]

He. He's West Indian, and that's not West Indian culture.

[D]

Here it is.

[Rory]

He came to Manhattan to not be called a boti boy.

[Jamal]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

That's definitely not West Indian. He would not go down.

[Kevin Clancy]

Stop flying down there. No, no, no, no.

[Rory]

You gotta put around some kids.

[Jamal]

That's Euro. Speedos is a European skin thing.

[Rory]

And I mean, Manhattan is kind of like, has its Euro tendency. So maybe he thought he'd get that.

[Jamal]

Off just with some swimming trunks. You don't have to wear a T shirt, just some swimming trunks.

[Kevin Clancy]

Don't Overthink it. We overthink a lot of things.

[Jamal]

Sometimes everything doesn't have to be sexual.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And then at one point, like in the first or second lesson, because I'm nervous as a dad for the first time at my daughter in water. Like just, just a nerve wracking thing to begin with. And he taught my girl swimming lessons in that building when she was a kid. And he was like, no, no, don't worry, don't worry. I. I taught Kia how to swim. I was like, she has her own demons.

[Kevin Clancy]

We're not trying to repeat this.

[Jamal]

Yeah. That's not making it easier for me.

[Kevin Clancy]

How was, was she young enough your daughter? Was it one of those like you ever see when they. They just take like a baby baby and just kerplunker in the water?

[Rory]

Pretty much. She was crazy before she was a year old. Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Wow.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Were you just. I mean, I. That was terrified. That's like everything against like human nature to just.

[Rory]

I'd be like, it is human nature though.

[Kevin Clancy]

Well, I guess. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

That's what someone in a spe up and start swimming.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's crazy.

[Jamal]

But that's, but that's why they want you to introduce that to your kids as young as possible.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Jamal]

Because their body will kind of just like remember that.

[D]

Like.

[Jamal]

Oh, okay.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. Right, right.

[Rory]

And even though like his nuts were pressing against my thigh when he was telling me, they learned to surprise.

[D]

Why were you so close to him in the water? That's you, sir.

[Rory]

See, this is. All right.

[D]

You're in a whole.

[Rory]

You guys are going against your arm. You have never been in a swim class with a bunch of kids instructor and other parents close to each other. That's why everyone should be fully clothed. Put on some cats. Not a lot of space. There's only one little area to do.

[Kevin Clancy]

It in a car heart jacket.

[Rory]

So while his nuts are on my wear I just explaining that kids know how to breathe underwater.

[Jamal]

I don't know what part of dies underwater.

[Rory]

That's crazy because we're trying to keep a kid from drowning.

[D]

Nickelodeon. What are you doing down there.

[Rory]

In turtlenecks and pants?

[Jamal]

Was Drake and Josh on the TV in the lounge real?

[D]

It's like now let's look at everyone's feet.

[Kevin Clancy]

Kick, kick, kick.

[D]

Yeah.

[Rory]

The up thought I had at the end of this whole Nickelodeon thing was. I'm not shocked.

[Kevin Clancy]

No, I know. It's fun.

[Rory]

Guys that were interested in kids ended up liking kids too much.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Damn.

[Kevin Clancy]

I. I mean I hope that guy. I hope there's something that you can charge him with or at the very least, he's. He's not still doing busy.

[Jamal]

I would hope not.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like, no, I mean, like, like in working in the industry at all, in any way.

[Rory]

Him, I wouldn't shock me, but like.

[Kevin Clancy]

Usually up until these documentaries come out, you're like doing your thing.

[Jamal]

Yeah. People be ready in the studios. Working.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Jamal]

Like, wait, that's the guy that's been here for 10 years.

[Kevin Clancy]

Man. If there was any even shred of a rumor like that. Not working with that.

[Jamal]

I just, it's just, it's just crazy to me how these guys know that this is what they're doing, doing, and then these things come out and they don't like going to hiding. Like they're still out. Like just.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Jamal]

And it's like, oh, you got. You're just brave.

[D]

Like, you know the scenes out. Harvey's chilling.

[Jamal]

Is he?

[D]

Yeah, he was going to the comedy seller. He's been seen all over the damn city. He just gets booed every room he walks into.

[Jamal]

Harvey Weinstein.

[Kevin Clancy]

I mean, there was a video of him being out. Like, I don't think he's. There was that one video. I know what you're talking about, but.

[Rory]

He couldn't even walk talk.

[D]

Yeah, well, yeah, now he's. A couple years ago, disheveled and gross, but like, he's, he's living a life.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, he tried. He tried to go to some like, comedy event and he got booed at the Cellar, and I think the girl jumped on stage and just like flamed him. But that was like probably a couple years ago now. Right? That was when his was first, like coming out, I think since the case.

[Jamal]

What did he get sentenced to? Like, what did. When he.

[Kevin Clancy]

I don't, I don't even know. Is it done? I don't even know.

[Rory]

He has other charges done pending at the moment.

[D]

He was convicted of rapes, sexual penetration for. With by a foreign object, enforceful forcible oral copulation. Jesus Christ.

[Kevin Clancy]

That was, bro. The, the, the. The.

[Jamal]

The.

[Kevin Clancy]

The that came out of the trial with him with like his.

[D]

Is it like a man dick look like?

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, they, they did.

[D]

Looks like a science experiment.

[Kevin Clancy]

They said it. One. One girl said it looked like it went through a meat grinder.

[Rory]

One girl said what? One girl thought he was transgender.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right.

[Rory]

Like that he just didn't have a dick.

[Kevin Clancy]

I would.

[Rory]

Isn't he had like some gang green sticks or some.

[D]

He has to like, use too. It's weird.

[Kevin Clancy]

What I thought there's like, there's like, that's objectively hilarious. We're talking about a very serious subject, but if you need chopsticks to use your dick. Famous hilarious. Yeah.

[Jamal]

You should sit down, sir, and let's.

[Rory]

Take Harvey out of it. My ego outweighs my horniness. Like I was gonna say, you would never see my. If I have that going on, then there. As corny as I am, there's no way I'm telling a girl to try to please it never.

[D]

You know, goldfish that went viral years ago for surviving by being fixed to a harness. I feel like this is, like, the.

[Rory]

By the way, it's hilarious.

[D]

This is like, the same.

[Rory]

Might be mad at that. I think that's hilarious.

[D]

This is probably the same mechanism they used to keep Harvey's dick active.

[Jamal]

What the is that?

[Rory]

You know, fix, like, pull the plug.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Let me die.

[Jamal]

Put that. Put that fish in the toilet and flush.

[Kevin Clancy]

Flush that down.

[Rory]

Put me in the suit.

[D]

Disabled fish for that. They made a harness for.

[Kevin Clancy]

How do you even find out a fish is disabled? You just throw.

[D]

Can't swim.

[Jamal]

Like, who made the fish harness?

[Rory]

Like.

[D]

But I imagine this is the kind.

[Rory]

Of Harness.

[Kevin Clancy]

You know, V1.

[Jamal]

How do you get the fish to agree to get in the harness?

[D]

Correction. I guess he's in bed in jail for years. He was officially convicted.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Jamal]

Out where?

[D]

Like, he's a probably.

[Kevin Clancy]

There was one video when. When it was still, like, going on. He went to a club and he got, like, booed out of it. But then.

[Jamal]

Yes, but that was, like, years ago. Yeah, yeah, 20, 19. I must say. He's been in prison since then.

[Rory]

We were talking about serial killers before Mall of, like, people at young ages. I had a friend that was another.

[Kevin Clancy]

Thing, by the way. He was friends with John Wayne Gacy, which was these pen pals with John Wayne Gacy while working for kids.

[D]

He had, like, photos of him on his wall.

[Rory]

He had letters in the office show.

[Kevin Clancy]

The kids John Wayne Gacy.

[Rory]

And all the parents were like, that's fine.

[D]

It's kind of a flex.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Jamal]

No, no, no, I lied.

[Rory]

I lied.

[Jamal]

Lol.

[Rory]

But I also watched Strike that from the record, lol. I had one of those, like, early, early childhood friends that you never really stayed in touch with. He could be a serial killer now, but my mother used to allow me to hang out with a kid that used to trap. Remember, like, the big carpenter bumblebees that come out in, like, the beginning of the summer?

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Rory]

He used to take two cups and trap them, tape it, put it in the freezer. Freeze it. Because if you freeze the bee.

[Jamal]

Oh, yeah.

[D]

They don't die.

[Rory]

They don't die.

[D]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And he would tie strings to the bees, and then they would come back.

[Kevin Clancy]

To life, like, catch them kind of, whatever.

[Rory]

And they would be on, like, a leash.

[D]

That's kind of cool for a serial killer.

[Rory]

My mom used to let me hang out with that kid.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Crazy.

[E]

Did you know he was doing that?

[Rory]

Yes. Yes.

[Kevin Clancy]

See? Okay, here's the thing. Now I go back to my earlier question. What are we doing right now? Like. Like, parents used to just see that and let it slide. Is there right now that we're letting kids.

[Rory]

This is. All right. See, I didn't even know this on YouTube.

[D]

Kind of cool. Look at his shirt. MILF Hunter.

[E]

I mean, that.

[Rory]

This makes me actually feel a little bit better that this is a thing.

[D]

MILF Hunter checks out, like, the steps.

[Kevin Clancy]

You got to go through to do all this.

[Jamal]

Yeah. Like, who was the first person?

[Kevin Clancy]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[D]

It's only white people.

[Kevin Clancy]

I was gonna say this is the white. That's white people.

[Rory]

He was white.

[Kevin Clancy]

I thought he was about to take a bite of that, and I was gonna say that's the whitest ever. It's just such a bad look for our people. We're just the weirdest, man. We do the weirdest.

[Jamal]

There's nothing weirder. When we were in London, we were walking through the park, and the guy had his cat on the leash.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's. That's almost weirder than the.

[Jamal]

I think. I think that's weird.

[E]

I've seen cats on leashes, though.

[D]

There's a woman over here.

[E]

When the crackheads with the squirrels on leashes.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's fire.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

They don't even need the leash. They just have them. Like, you know how you trained?

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

The guy with the rat on his shoulder.

[Rory]

Well, I think that's more common than putting a B on a string.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, probably.

[Rory]

I actually feel better about myself that this is a YouTube thing, because in the late 90s, early 2000s, I. I thought I should have been killed, in retrospect. So the older you realize some from your childhood was like, why? Why did that person do that?

[Kevin Clancy]

Right, right.

[Jamal]

So what did he do? Like, he just kept them from forever.

[Rory]

Similar to, like, what that was like, would just hold it for and then, like, get a few more sometimes, like, tie it to something. Oh, yeah. It was odd.

[Kevin Clancy]

You see the video, that pigeon the other day, it was, like, wrapped up in a bag, and a bunch of people came together. I think it was like, In Times Square, they called some dude over with a knife. Like, everybody got together to save this pigeon, and he flew away, and the streets went crazy for it.

[Rory]

Meanwhile, I can get shot in Times Square and no one up me.

[D]

Look what people care about.

[Rory]

I mean, I don't think we should put pigeons in bags, but I just feel like there's other.

[Kevin Clancy]

I don't know, maybe I can get down to that platform, put pigeons in bags. Mayor Adams, I'm run against him. Pigeons in bags.

[Rory]

How do they do hunting? Like, if there's too many of that animal in a certain area, it's okay to hunt them for a certain time.

[Kevin Clancy]

Population control, whatever.

[Rory]

I feel like maybe two weeks in the summertime in New York, we should be able to just start market visions. What is population good luck.

[Kevin Clancy]

They.

[Jamal]

Well, they released a bunch of falcons years ago in New York to kind of control the pigeon population.

[Kevin Clancy]

More of that.

[Jamal]

Yeah, that was a real thing. Like, you see, if you saw falcons in the city, it was because they released them. Trying to, like, control.

[Rory]

You guys remember running into a falcon?

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, Flacco. Flacco. Flacco. 911 himself.

[D]

Yeah, he did.

[Kevin Clancy]

Flew right into a building on the.

[D]

Upper one side, bro.

[Kevin Clancy]

We had a girl at barstool. He died this year, literally crying. There's a couple weeks. Weeks ago. Yeah, she was crying over this. She was, like, very affected by it.

[Rory]

Give me the backstory.

[D]

He escaped this Central Park Zoo.

[Kevin Clancy]

He escaped the zoo and then, like, lived in Central park. And. And I guess, you know, there's not that many owls around. Or he's. He's very noticeable. Whatever. So people were like, oh, that's Flaco. And he used to just, like, chill in the park. Where's.

[Rory]

ASAP Rocky?

[Kevin Clancy]

People used to, like, I don't take pictures and see him. And then he. And then he flew into a building on 87th Street street, took the stove out.

[D]

He died on the Upper west side.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Rory]

All right, well, then maybe he kind of deserved it. There's so many buildings over there.

[Kevin Clancy]

I mean, I think. Yeah, I think he. I think he wanted. I think he. That was owl suicide.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Because owls are pretty good at avoiding.

[Jamal]

So he saw. He saw Manhattan turn into. And he was just like, you know what? I'm out.

[D]

Just perched up there.

[Rory]

He saw that he'd be charged if he had passed 59th Street.

[Jamal]

I'm done with this.

[D]

Okay. Random pivot. But speaking of muses, because we were talking about Dan Schneider and children earlier, we're gonna bring this to adults. Do you guys agree yeah. Do you guys agree that Amber Rose is. Is. Should be compensated $20 million for being Kanye's muse during the My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy era?

[E]

I don't know about 20 million.

[Jamal]

I can't put a price tag on it.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's a good argument. Like, is it?

[Jamal]

I think she shot for the 20 and maybe they'll settle for like five.

[Kevin Clancy]

But it's not. I don't think it should be like you get a paycheck, but I think it's just like you should take care of the people that, you know, influenced your style or your music or made something possible because it's, it's just a very. Whatever it is. If it's this, if it's music like you know, the people that were instrumental and maybe don't get.

[Jamal]

But that's interesting because he's known for doing. He's known.

[Kevin Clancy]

Well, that's what I mean. That's why I'm not saying like it should be like this, but in a perfect world, I think people, you know, who create whatever it is would be like, yo, you were a very big part of that, so let me take care of you in some way shape.

[Rory]

Perform like I can respect an actual fact she put in this argument. I was into Nicki Minaj before people were into Nicki Minaj. I went to Kanye and said, this girl Nikki is it. You should put her on Monster. That's a tangible thing that I can understand just being like, I was your.

[Kevin Clancy]

Girl when this was happening. So you like that I think is.

[Rory]

Flimsy, but that opens like the floodgate for everyone on Twitter. That's like, yo, I listen to Wiz Khalifa before anyone else. I should run a label. It's like, I don't, like, I don't know if that's, that's really what you think it's worth.

[Kevin Clancy]

It will be a floodgate. But there, I think there are people who deserve credit.

[Rory]

Credit or she deserves self entitled muse. Like how do you know that?

[D]

How do you know that her involvement in con.

[Rory]

He wrote a love song about a breakup with his girl that, that, that she's not the first woman.

[Kevin Clancy]

That might not be the best example. But I'm just saying if there, if there's people in your crew that like, if you are a clothing designer and you know that like you pulled from his style or something like that.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Kevin Clancy]

And it's like, it's. You're not like on the, you know, you don't get credit, but it's like.

[Jamal]

We know what happened there.

[Kevin Clancy]

You started selling that as soon as that guy came around, sort of thing like, those people. I think you should. I don't think you should probably have to be, like, legally obligated to take care of them. Because at the end of the day, it's like, I don't know, man. I made. I. I took the risk, I put in the work. I. You know, I did everything to make that all happen. You just happen to wear that or do that. But I just think it's better to take care of people who are.

[Rory]

Do you draw the line? Everyone that influences a song. What does Clapton do with his kid? Like, at what point do we draw the line? Thank God no one got that joke.

[Jamal]

I got it. This just was a terrible joke.

[Rory]

The. But if you're writing songs about your life and people involved in it now, everyone in my life experience is owed money.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. That's why I think there has to be some sort of line and. And where do you draw it? But it's like, if you were a heavy influence, I think anything that's like, relationship is almost, in a way, like, Amber Rose was probably the biggest muse because they were together at the time. But also, it's like a. It could have been anybody, you know what I mean? Relationships, I feel like, are, Are. Are almost. You shouldn't get compensated. People who are.

[D]

She said in the interview that she suggested Nicki Minaj gets on the monster.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, that. I mean, believe it. That.

[Jamal]

But that's a. That's a real thing.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Jamal]

It's like, okay, you're not gonna understand.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's also. Now we're talking more about music credits and like, that. Like, when it becomes tangible like that, I think.

[Rory]

Okay, are we now negotiating breakups that aren't a marriage?

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, it's certainly not. 20.

[Rory]

Where are you getting compensation in?

[Kevin Clancy]

I think the compensation should be like, somebody says, yeah, yeah, no, you influenced me a lot.

[Rory]

Music.

[Kevin Clancy]

You get crazy.

[Jamal]

You did tell me that you did.

[Rory]

Music has a. Enough problems with people that actually contribute with instruments, let alone someone in the studio going, yo, I like Nicki Minaj.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's what I mean. Like, it's already such a.

[Rory]

The guy that actually played the keys on that song is having trouble getting his royalties. Like, now we're going with the music of all things.

[E]

It's like, okay, well, let's. Okay, not standing up for all women here, but let's not diminish it. Just to her being in the studio saying, yo, I like Nicki Minaj because it's different from somebody in the studio. Just that doesn't do music. Just offering perspectives. And the person laying down next to you at night when you're going through all these crazy ideas in your head and they're sitting up here saying, okay, well, yeah, this, this. And that is the same way how they said that housewives should get money from their husband when he's running a business. Because you. Or when people say, I contributed so much to this business. No, I wasn't on payroll. But I was there with you when you were breaking all of this down and you were moving money and we did this together, but your name is on the company.

[Kevin Clancy]

Well, that. But that's two different things. I feel like you can. You can be in a relationship and. And be a part of someone's business.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

And like, I. I also think you can be in a relationship with someone and they are like, a detriment to your business. You know what I mean? Just because you were together at the time that you were doing your work doesn't necessarily mean you were supporting me or helping me based on the dynamic of the relationship. You know what I mean? I think if somebody. If somebody. If she said to him, you should name your album My Beautiful Dark, Twisted Fantasy. Like, that's, you know, a different thing than just being, like, we were together at the time. Time you. You were making that and I made you feel a certain way, or we were going through a thing that, you know, influenced that song. I mean, that. That gets very. Also, then there's also, like. Like I said, there's. There's some positives to it, but there's also negatives to it. So it's like, you gotta. You gotta. You know, you're responsible for all of it.

[Rory]

Then, like, to what you're saying, I can see in a divorce, if a woman is not working at all and you're the breadwinner and everything. Even if I. I don't agree. I can see the point of. I couldn't get my career off the ground because I was just with the kids, holding down the household. He was the breadwinner. So split it 50, 50, whatever. But if your point is, we were dating and I was a supportive girlfriend, so now you owe me money. Yeah, I was doing. I was doing my album and I was going through it, and you supported me. You was there. That's not a compensation. You were my girlfriend.

[Jamal]

You're supposed to be.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, that's not like a. Yeah, you don't get.

[Rory]

I didn't hire a job to help manage my emotions. We were in a relationship.

[Jamal]

Yeah, but Then on the other side of that, you wasn't with me shooting in the gym. So it's like, well, I was here with you.

[E]

I was shooting.

[Jamal]

I was shooting.

[Rory]

And, like, if you are shooting in the gym.

[Jamal]

Yeah, like, I was in the gym shooting with you. I told you about Nikki. Put on the record, like.

[Rory]

And I also hate the fake ars that are in positions that is obvious. Like, you're not bringing any value or new ideas. You're in a position unwarranted to give the idea. Idea. Hey, you should put J. Cole on as a feature here. Like. Yeah, thanks.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, no, yeah.

[Jamal]

No, no.

[Rory]

But, like, kidding. And Nikki was a little different because she was bubbling and it was a moment for her. So I give Amber credit. Like, yo, you want to. This is the hottest girl right now that the world doesn't really know about.

[Jamal]

And if Kanye really didn't know about her.

[Rory]

But at the same time, like, let's say Amber was just some chick in Philly and love Nicki Minaj and went to her rapper boyfriend and was like, you still Nicky on the track. You're a. You don't look as good as an A R as you once did. You just like music and told another musician to work with them. It's not really a ring. You had a good idea. In a perfect situation, I was gonna say you. Everything we're doing.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So now I don't know. You don't get. You're not Kevin Lyles. Like, I'm sorry. Yeah, I just. On women. I'm sorry.

[Kevin Clancy]

I don't. I don't think there's any way to quantify it.

[Rory]

If Safari was doing the same thing with Nikki, I'd be like, safari, sorry. Nikki is in a position that you saying, hey, you should work with Will. I am. You're not. You don't get a in our credit.

[Kevin Clancy]

Asking for $20 million is so obnoxious.

[Rory]

Good for her.

[Jamal]

I love it, though.

[D]

Shoot for it.

[Rory]

I like Amber Rose a lot.

[Jamal]

Shoot for that.

[E]

No, I don't think she deserves 20 million, but shoot for it.

[Jamal]

Yeah, shoot for it. No, she doesn't deserve it.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, you shoot for 20 million and you land on like, hey, you. You influenced me a little bit during that album. Good for you. People really like that album. You had a little bit to do with that.

[Rory]

There's your credit, I think Kanye should say, I guess. I mean, I'll ask Def Jam, see what they.

[Jamal]

Can do.

[Rory]

I don't even own that album.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right. I couldn't even if I wanted. Wanted to out of Here.

[Rory]

And what I would like to meet the A r that got 20 mil.

[Jamal]

Yeah, no, that's not. Well, she's. She's saying that she. He used her likeness.

[D]

There was a wax figure that he used of hers.

[Jamal]

Those.

[Kevin Clancy]

Then you start to go down some tangible things where it's like, if. If that happened then. But again, even that I think is going to be tough to get money out of. But just being like we were together at the time that this thing happened.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

And like there's a lot that led up to that album before you that you weren't a part part of.

[D]

Like you're on the Taylor Swift situation. That was the reason for the whole Go to Hawaii.

[Rory]

But can you imagine like arguing because your ad libs are on the intro saying you ain't got no easy and you want that amount of Money. And Paul McCartney doesn't own his masters.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right. Like, of all industries, this is the one where you think you're gonna get paid.

[Rory]

I am owed 20 million. Paul McCartney doesn't own hey Jude.

[Jamal]

Right.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's a. It's a sick world, bro. It's a sick world.

[E]

Do you think that people should get that in. In the moment? Do you think she would have had a stronger case in the moment before.

[Jamal]

The album was done? Like, yo, give me 20 million?

[E]

Not no.

[Rory]

If she thought that good for her. Cuz that album is a classic.

[Jamal]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, for sure.

[E]

But just like, I'm just talking about like period when it comes to muses. And that's in. Not just in music in any art form or whatever. Do you think that they should. When they see someone drawing from them for inspiration, do you think that's not how inspiration works?

[Jamal]

But it's interesting because Kany is known for.

[Rory]

Like, if you don't hire someone for inspiration, you get inspired by them. Once.

[E]

Once you've acknowledged that I've inspired you, should I then ask you for money? That's what I'm talking.

[Jamal]

No, but Kanye is known in the past. He's done that. Like if he's in the studio and like you're wearing something and he kind of like draws inspiration from that and puts it in a bar in the song. Like he gives you like credit on the. On the song. Like he's done that. That before. Like if you have a leather. Some leather on and he's like, yeah, black leather. He puts your name.

[Rory]

But I mean, that's 15 samples on it already. So there's. There's no. It doesn't matter.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, I think we're talking about, like, getting credit. It's like a, you know, like a hat tip. Like, good job.

[Jamal]

Yeah. That's all it is.

[Kevin Clancy]

But I. It especially gets grimy with. With relationships because then you're just basically going down the road of divorce. Prenups, you know, all that sort of where it's like, we were together. But yeah, I. I think it's more interesting if it's like you are working with the person.

[Jamal]

How do you feel about prenups?

[Kevin Clancy]

I think they should all be 100 mandatory for every marriage.

[Jamal]

I like that answer.

[Kevin Clancy]

I think every. Every, everybody. If you're going to make relationships which are very illogical, irrational, emotional, and then we're going to tie all of your finances to it and make it a very logical and tangible thing, we should do it the right way. I'm going to sign all this paperwork over here to make this relationship official. We're also going to sign all the paperwork over here to make finances, you know, and it should just be like, you have to. That way it takes out the awkward, like, oh, what do you think? Money. It's like, well, we have to do this the same way you have to sign the papers at the corp. Courthouse. You also have to sign this one here.

[Jamal]

That's a marriage certificate. You have to get notarized. You have to have a witness.

[Kevin Clancy]

Totally other. Yeah, but. But when it comes. It comes to that, oh, that's not romantic or like, you don't love me anymore.

[Jamal]

You don't trust me. What do you think? The whole.

[Kevin Clancy]

The whole thing of marriage is very not romantic when you think about it.

[Rory]

Irs.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're gonna take it and make it all about taxes and. And. And paperwork. Well, let's do it all the way. All the way through, you know, because. And then you wouldn't have to. People with money, sign them. People without money, sign them. It's just part of the.

[Jamal]

It's part of the situation.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. And then you can decide what you, you know, you want to give the money, whatever, but it's not like you can get trapped or caught or whatever.

[Rory]

You should have a kid. By the way, taxes, typically. I don't like to talk about the IRS because they're always listening. So I, I pay all what I owe all the time. I had no idea now, like, I understood that joke that people were like, oh, I go file someone else's kids.

[Kevin Clancy]

I still think I must be doing something wrong because I never. I don't know. I have not felt any tax really relief from having kids.

[E]

No, you Definitely getting a tax break from her.

[Rory]

I might go spend some money. I was like, holy.

[Kevin Clancy]

Maybe. But whatever else. Whatever you get, you have to spend on the kid.

[Rory]

Oh, for sure.

[Kevin Clancy]

They're expensive.

[Rory]

As someone that's in the tax bracket that I'm in the shittiest one where. Yeah, the people that are super high.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

Get breaks, and people below get breaks. I'm in the take all. Take all of my money legitimately. I'm walking away with 20 of what I have in at all.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

So any type of break with a kid, I was like, oh, man.

[Kevin Clancy]

Hell, yeah.

[Rory]

Holy. You guys are gonna let me keep some of my money today. Some of my mind.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

I had to break up with my accountant. I had. I had, like, a family accountant that he did. He did all of our shit, and he was great, and he's family friend and everything, but once Barstool really started cooking, I was talking about, like, some serious money. I was like, bro, I love you, but, you know. And so I had some real people, you know, take over some real. Some real people take over real people. My mom went to him. Still. Still continues with him. And he was like, we never had, like, a formal. I didn't call him and, like, fire him.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

I just kind of didn't send him my taxes that year.

[Jamal]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Maybe not the best way. I thought it kind of was the best way. Just be like, we get what's going on here. And he had. Dad. He had the nerves to tell my mom, like, yo, I can't believe he didn't tell me. Or, like, after all these years, he's not sticking with me. Come to find out, once I get with the new people that, like, I have all this new bar soul I get to deal with. I owed, like, a lot of money in back taxes from him. Up.

[Rory]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

So I was like, wow. Oh, I have the nerve. But I owe 120 grand, bro, because of you, so you shut the up, dude. Crazy. Crazy, though, man.

[Rory]

Yeah. I mean, I can't. I have no leg to stand on. I used to get my taxes done by a gentleman in Staten island with a home office.

[Jamal]

Oh, yeah, that sounds like.

[Kevin Clancy]

Like, there's a time in life where that's good. Yeah, it's like. It's like in Breaking Bad, like, you don't want a criminal lawyer. You want a criminal lawyer. Like, there's a time where you can move some things around. And I've been three times.

[Rory]

Three times. I've been audited three times. And by the way. I'm not one of those. Like, I wasn't trying to find a corner.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I didn't do anything illegal. I did what I thought I should be doing.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And this got kind of similar to what I think you're talking about. They went and looked at some of my taxes after I started to get money.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And we're like, yeah, some of this palooza isn't really adding up.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right. Right.

[Rory]

And it wasn't enough money for us to care, but just went through all my trash, and it's like, 20. Why am I getting audited from 2018? I didn't make any money. And they were like, well, it's actually. It's a tax attached to 20, 21 as well. Yeah. You shouldn't have went. You shouldn't have went to some guy on Victory Boulevard in Staten island that had a home office.

[D]

Right.

[Rory]

I'm like, I didn't know anything. I was 18.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. That's like. You should be able to plead like.

[Rory]

I was dating a girl on Staten Island.

[Kevin Clancy]

I'm not trying to scam you, government. I'm just dumb.

[Jamal]

I'm dumb. Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Dumb should be a valid excuse in the court. 100, your honor. And stupid.

[D]

You're good.

[Kevin Clancy]

Get out of here, kid.

[Jamal]

Yeah. And don't do it again.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Rory]

We're so dumb that we're being audited by a country. Country that has failed. Audit. Every audit. They failed.

[Jamal]

Yeah. That's America.

[Rory]

A country with an awful credit score is trying to give me my credit score.

[Jamal]

Yeah. You gotta love it.

[D]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Anyways, well, Amber Rose should get with every girl that Drake named in every song and form a union. Maybe you'll have a shot.

[D]

It's not a bad idea.

[Rory]

That's my advice.

[Kevin Clancy]

Unionize.

[Rory]

You've got mail.

[D]

In the spirit of prenups and splitting up in divorces, I found a voicemail that I think fits perfectly for the conversation we were just having. So let's. Let's jump into this year.

[Caller]

Jones calling from the DMV with y'all. Heavy love. Y'all keep doing what you're doing. All right, cool. We got that out the way. You guys ever had to have an uncomfortable conversation with your ex's new partner about the relationship that they will have with your child that you have with your ex? Quick little backstory. The. My ex broke it to me that she's gonna sell the house and move to Tennessee with her new boyfriend and my child. And I'm meeting up with old boy this weekend, you know, to have a conversation about what it's gonna look like moving forward with this move. And I just need to know, kind of like, where would y'all. How would y'all frame the conversation? I do want him to know that I am crazy, and I will do whatever I have to do.

[Rory]

He beat me some Ivy.

[Caller]

I'm sure my daughter is safe. And I also want him to know that I will kill him. But I also want to have the mature conversation. You know, I want to be mature about it. But again, I want him to know that, you know, I. I'll kill about mine. I'll let you guys know how everything goes. But, yeah, if you guys got something for me, let me hear, and I'll call back and I'll let you know. Let you guys know how. How. How the conversation went. I. With y'all. Love y'all. Peace.

[E]

Like, you relate.

[D]

I'm happy. I'm happy. We're on his good side.

[Rory]

Yeah, knock him out first, but then help him up, Give him a pack of ice, make him feel okay. Yeah, whatever his favorite restaurant is, Take him there and have a mature conversation. Hey, we're here for the kids. I know you date in my ex. I want to make a healthy environment, but you have to knock him out first just to set the tone and then be the mature adult.

[E]

Now, what if he knock you out before you get a chance?

[Rory]

Then everyone's dying.

[Jamal]

That's sick. He knock you out, like, you think you going to lay the law down and he put you to sleep.

[Rory]

Cuz you should. My daughter can call him dad at that point.

[Jamal]

I'm your father now.

[Rory]

I fail at that point.

[Jamal]

Daddy.

[Rory]

Yo, take care of my daughter, bro.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yo, I'm in a situation right now. If I wanted to try to knock this dude out, it would not go well for me.

[Rory]

Your ex is dating her? Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. So I was like, let's just have the mature conversation. Be.

[Jamal]

Let's be adults about this.

[Rory]

We're all here for the kids, right?

[Kevin Clancy]

I'm waking up on the pavement, not him. Yo, it's a. That's a tough situation.

[Rory]

What was the first interaction like, though? I mean, jokes aside, but we don't want anyone to fight. Don't fight anyone. No.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. I mean, I never. I never did, like, a. We didn't, like, go to dinner, but we just had a quick. Like, a quick conversation that was. It was like we were all, you know, going back to. To her house, and then, like, they kind of went in ahead of us, and, like, we just fell back for a second, you know? It was just a very quick, like, I know, you know, me and her have. Have our issues or whatever, but, like, just want them to be safe and happy and, like, I don't know. I mean, he.

[Rory]

He's.

[Kevin Clancy]

He's a normal dude. So he was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. If it was. I. I don't know what to do. If it's a situation, like, if it's somebody you think is not right, not safe, not healthy, I don't know, then that's a whole different world. But it was just kind of like, you know, you've moved your. She's moved on, and she's doing this, choosing to do it with you. As long as my kids are good.

[Jamal]

That'S all that matters.

[Kevin Clancy]

It's all that matters. And there's never been a problem.

[Rory]

How. How are your kids around him? Is. Was that weird, right?

[Kevin Clancy]

I mean, you know, there's always some. There's always some ego that goes on. There's, you know, a couple times they slip up and, like, you know, say his name instead of my name or whatever, and, like, things that, like, hurt like that. But it's like, as long as you're happy, I'm happy.

[Rory]

This is going to be some real ego narcissistic that I'm about to ask, but maybe that's just my brain and thinking of the scenario if that ever happened to me. You have a big platform.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Did he know who you were?

[Kevin Clancy]

I mean, I. I would. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, at that point, it was. It was very. It was known who I was, so.

[Rory]

But I was that weird.

[Kevin Clancy]

For me or for.

[Rory]

I don't know, in general, just the situation.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, the whole thing is weird. I mean, it's always going to be awkward. I feel like, to some extent, um. But, you know, I try to not even bring him up if I. If I don't have to, but it's. It's always gonna be a little weird.

[Rory]

I'll put it this way. Like, even. Is he, like, Damaris is set on.

[Jamal]

Is he known?

[Kevin Clancy]

Is he known? No, no, he's just a regular.

[Jamal]

Okay.

[Kevin Clancy]

He's a civilian.

[Jamal]

Okay.

[Rory]

Tamara said on Patreon exclusive, she's ran into, like, just talking back and forth with people that end up being fans of. Of this podcast when she's in civilian waters. I have a civilian. I have a. I have a cool relationship with a few of my exes that have told me stories like, yeah, like, I'm back out dating and. And, like, I'll run into someone that's a fan of your Podcast knows that I dated you.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right, Right, right, right.

[Rory]

I mean, it means it's weird. And I could only imagine, like, if I were my current girl, which hypothetically we're doing amazing if that situation happened, like having to talk to someone that she's dating now that also is like, aware of.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Rory]

The pod. And like. Well, I mean, like, you can't watch a pod of me talking about my girl and my kids for years and then go date my girl and be around my kid.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I never gonna have an issue. I never, I never really considered that, to be honest, in that regard. I always thought of it more as like, he, he has friends probably who know who I am. Just the nature of platforms on earth. Yeah. Just like you're, you're a white guy from this age. This age. You're going to know who we are at this point. So. So in that sense, demo you guys. Yeah, yeah. You guys are Obama here to there. We got it. Yeah. But like, I never really even, I guess considered from his point of like, him himself, like watching or knowing or listening. Listening. I just hope that was not the case. I hope there was. There was one white boy left that we had not got to, we didn't.

[Jamal]

Get to him even.

[Rory]

I was screaming.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[D]

But to counter Rory's point, like, we, I think on this pod, you talk so much more freely and openly about, like, so much of our personal lives is what makes this podcast like. I feel like you guys are a little more like, on the reactive, like, culture side of things, where it's less.

[Kevin Clancy]

Well, that was because I, I, I was extremely open with my personal life for the first half of my career. And then when went down, it was like, oh, I wish I didn't. I, I can't put the toothpaste back in the tube on this one.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

So now I'm way more protective about it where I am more private. Yeah. Because I, I mean, at this point, I have said everything I need to say. People who are my fans, like, know who I am. It's not, I don't feel like I'm like, hindering myself by not being as open because I already have been. And it's like I will just react to news and give my opin this and that, and I don't have to put all my business out there because in the beginning it was names and pictures and stories and everything, and I went through it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, it's not, it's all good when it's all good.

[Jamal]

Right.

[Kevin Clancy]

When goes down, it's like, oh, wait a second. This is now way more complicated because of how I handle things back then.

[Jamal]

Yeah. You put so much out there already.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And like, unfortunately, like you're. I don't even want to say like sins, but anything you talk about on a podcast will follow you. Whether you change your opinion or whatever. It'll always follow. Dude, the amount of people having that conversation with a life situation, like, okay, I've separated with my girl and we're doing the co parent thing and she's gonna go on with her life, I'm gonna go on with mine. We have to figure out how to do this now. Like the bubble of my opinions and actions that have been on the Internet are now gonna have to be part of this if this person has followed it.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

Like I'm. Nah, no, you can't date anyone that's ever listened to me speak on a microphone. It's my only stipulation. You want half? Take it. Just don't date anyone because I'm not dealing, bro.

[Kevin Clancy]

You're getting big, man. A lot of people are know you. I mean, like this, it's. You can't do that.

[Jamal]

Yeah, no, that's like everybody knows you got it. Like an artist not wanting somebody that's a fan of this to date their ex.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, like we've all heard the music, we've all.

[Jamal]

You can't. You can't get around it. You gotta.

[Kevin Clancy]

These wheels are spinning right now.

[D]

He's cooked.

[Rory]

Cuz I went like going into my new relationship, coming out of my old one, I had never dated. Dated seriously. Like as not famous is not the word at all, but like known or whatever.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

And I was amongst the community that would know the podcast. I had never went out and like when I was seriously starting to court my now girl, like I would meet her friends and like this was odd. Yeah, like I always feel like someone's whispering or saying something always. And like I go to like a game night where I'm the boy boyfriend and it's like everyone already knows. And like, what did I say? I don't know. All these people, maybe do they listen? Maybe they hate me? Maybe.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, they agree. Do they disagree? Yeah, it's. My kid's teacher came up to me.

[Rory]

That'S another fear and you're cooked.

[Kevin Clancy]

And said, I'm a fan of your videos on Instagram. And it was the day after there was a story about Odell Beckham on that girl's channel Chest or getting on, whichever it was, you know. And I was like, depends the night kid. Yeah. Is it Tuesday or Thursday? I.

[D]

She two for me, one for her.

[Kevin Clancy]

When she was like, yeah, I'm a fan of your video. She w. Like, it was like dropping the kid off in the drop off line. She kind of whispered like, by the way, my fan of your videos. And I was like, oh, no, don't tell me that. Let's just. I know. I know what it is. I get it. But like, let's just pretend that it doesn't. That it doesn't exist until it actually somehow matters. Then we need to talk about it. Otherwise, just treat me like everybody else because it's going to be super awkward if not.

[Rory]

We took. We took Amara to my girl's cousin's crib in Pennsylvania for Thanksgiving. Huge Thanksgiving. Half like first generation Colombian as well, so a lot of like, foreigners that are just so happy to get to know me and are so interested. Like, oh, you do, like, tell me about like just genuine love. Like, can I watch what you do for a. A living?

[Kevin Clancy]

No.

[Rory]

No, I don't think, like, try to find my way out of it to change the subject. And we stayed for the whole weekend. By the next day, waking up, going down the steps, the younger cousins are showing all the.

[Kevin Clancy]

Everybody's.

[Rory]

And I'm just like.

[Kevin Clancy]

And watching.

[Rory]

But also like, they're. They want to know because they care. Like, oh, this is but someone we love's boyfriend. And they don't understand the reproduction of our.

[Kevin Clancy]

And I'm like, sounds like. Nice.

[Rory]

Oh, God. Can we put this in context, bro? I don't hate Jews.

[Kevin Clancy]

I told my. Like, my. My. My.

[D]

My really hate shoes.

[Rory]

No one's Jewish in Thanksgiving, right?

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, my. My close family, my extended family. Like, I have like an agreement with them. Like, don't watch my. Let's not talk about it and forget about like, you know, as. As that circle gets bigger and bigger, I'm like, it's just easier if you don't. You know, if I date you, I'm like, please don't.

[Rory]

You know, And I.

[D]

That's what I try to do. And I. I say it, but I don't think it. I don't know how much weight it holds because I still feel like people are. Adults are going to do what they want to do, especially if they're people consume.

[Kevin Clancy]

But it does. Part of it is like, if you really want to. I'm telling you right now, this will be a problem for us like down the road because I've done this a couple times, and there's going to be something I say or do and, like, it will just be easier if you kind of remove yourself from it. Is that fair? Unfair? I don't know. But I'm just telling you what's probably going to be easiest for this relationship.

[D]

Yeah. I always say, like, yeah, if you want to get to know me, I'm giving you my time. Just get to know me. At the rate at which a normal couple.

[Kevin Clancy]

Because it is weird when somebody knows, like, everything about. About you, and I'm like, I'm just finding out what your last name is.

[E]

Or they think they know everything about.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right. That's the other thing. So, you know, I'm not saying I'm like, I'm never lying, but I'm like, it's different when I'm at home and when I'm in front of a microphone.

[D]

So, yeah, like, I'm not always like this.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right.

[D]

I promise.

[Kevin Clancy]

I went, when? When, Like, I mean, when I'm off, when I'm in, like, social situation situations, I'm usually quiet. I'm usually like, I'm not saying anything. People are usually like, kind of like, this is it.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

I'm not here to.

[Jamal]

I had a guy, Come on, Kevin Clancy react.

[Kevin Clancy]

For real. I had a guy introduce me to his wife at a wedding and said, this is the guy I was telling you about. He's a lot funnier online than he is in real life. But he. And I was like, for real?

[Jamal]

For real. She's right.

[Kevin Clancy]

For real. Yeah. I kind of was like, yeah, no, he's. Yeah, he's not wrong. Get the. Away from me.

[D]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

My.

[D]

My mom ran into my old guidance counsel counselor yesterday, and she called me to tell me, and she was like, oh, she was asking about, you know, where you're at in your life. And updated. She was like, I didn't tell her. She was like, I. You know, he's like, in school producer.

[Jamal]

Mom said the clip.

[D]

She was like, he's producing and, like, working in New York in the city, doing music stuff. You know, he's always been creative. She was like, oh, a podcast. How exciting. What's it called? And my mom was like, don't worry about it. He's like, don't worry. So my mom's like, she gets it. She's on my side.

[Kevin Clancy]

When I first got a job for barstool, I told my. My family I was a sportsman blogger.

[Jamal]

Okay.

[Kevin Clancy]

And within a couple months or whatever it was, I was like, at a family event and my dad leaned over to me and he goes, this website's not about sports. I was like, no, it's not, bro. No, you are correct.

[Jamal]

I went on there. It's not about sports.

[Kevin Clancy]

Not about sports.

[Rory]

Yeah, My mom gave me in the beginning, before it popped off, then realized that it was lucrative. Then that's.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's always.

[Jamal]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

Then all of a sudden was the proudest woman ever.

[Jamal]

That's my boy.

[Rory]

And was. Was asking for money, and my pops thought it was cool in the beginning, but when it got successful was like, you know, I gave you that idea, right?

[Kevin Clancy]

It's Amber Mu. Amber Rose, bro. Oh, you. You owe him $20. $20 million.

[Jamal]

You owe your dad 20 million. Give it to him. All right. Well, Kev, man, we appreciate you for coming by once again, man. It's been a while since we kicked it.

[Kevin Clancy]

Truly, this is the only show that I. I really listen to, like every. Every episode.

[Rory]

I think you're our only Repeat guest.

[D]

Episode 135 was when you joined us at Rory's house. That was a little over a year ago, dude.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. I mean, since then. I mean, I listen to like every episode. So it's the only show that I do that, and it's the only show that I can go on. It's a very weird vibe to be like.

[Rory]

So you think you know us now?

[Jamal]

Our God, Kevin Clancy, KFC barstool. We appreciate you for coming by again, man. And we. Well, we. We talk. We'll kick it with you.

[Rory]

We'll be repeat guests again. I've been on your show three times in this.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, we got to have you guys come through. New spot, new studio, new vibes.

[Jamal]

Throw some darts around. And up there, the crazy y'all be.

[Rory]

Doing up there, look at what you think darts.

[D]

They put in one of those axe throwing machines.

[Jamal]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know they got that up there. It's just crazy.

[Rory]

When football season. I'm gonna invite myself. When football season happens. Can I just be fly on the wall with those chairs?

[Jamal]

Mosquito in your ear. He'll be a mosquito in your ear.

[Rory]

They have the best football Sundays. They're all in big ass chairs and they're all screaming at the tv. It reminds me of the household I grew up in.

[Kevin Clancy]

Come on by, buddy.

[Jamal]

What's my guy's name? That's up there, The, The. The big guy.

[Kevin Clancy]

Frank the Tank.

[Jamal]

Frank the Tank. He said, Derek G. Is one of the most overrated.

[Kevin Clancy]

You're goddamn right he is, Frank.

[Rory]

Frank is overrated.

[Kevin Clancy]

At what Frank is.

[Jamal]

He said, Derek G. Jeter is one of the most overrated athletes in the history of sports.

[Kevin Clancy]

Did he give a backstory, like who Derek Jeter is? You know, Frank, Backstory. The Derek Jeter backstory.

[Rory]

Derek Jeter.

[Kevin Clancy]

Derek Jeter is. He's a good player. He's a good player. He's not.

[Rory]

It's the catholic.

[Kevin Clancy]

The level that people put him at. Also, if he ever just extended a little bit of a lifeline to a Rod when the whole city was against him and said, no, no, like, call off the dogs. A rod's a good dude, that team would have won more championships.

[Jamal]

Absolutely. Now that I believe.

[Kevin Clancy]

And he just let him. He never. He didn't move positions. He should have. And he let that guy flounder for years when he could have been like, he's the best player in baseball. Shut the up. And they probably would have won, like, three World Series.

[Jamal]

Yeah. Now that I believe. I'm with you on that.

[Rory]

Okay. But saying to extend the arm when he, like, jumped into the stands and.

[Kevin Clancy]

Extended his arm, stopped like 10ft before he caught the ball in fair territory. Ends up in the. Breaking his face in. In the stands. Give me a break.

[Jamal]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

He had. In the crowd. He had to sell it.

[Kevin Clancy]

Frank, man.

[Rory]

Oh, I'd like to see the top five real quick. Cheater at five is crazy.

[D]

I wanna. I wanna actually get this audience.

[Kevin Clancy]

He is the perfect example. He was at. He was at. He was trying to get to Mets opening day. All right, Frank, Top five. Okay. The. The New Jersey transit was late and he jumped. The. The local news was doing like a. A piece on that, and he, like, snatched the mic and was like, new Jersey transit is incompetent.

[Rory]

They are the worst. It's not wrong.

[Kevin Clancy]

Went viral. And like, five years later, now he's living, like, you know, his best life. He's getting on walks every day, losing weight. He's probably. I mean, aside from Dave, and maybe even including Dave, he might be the most recognizable person at Barcelona. Dude makes a killing on cameo.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

Derek Jeter, now he's a Hall of Famer. Yes.

[Jamal]

Got his 3,000 hits.

[Rory]

Got his good leader few thousand.

[Kevin Clancy]

Right. But if he played for the Kansas.

[Jamal]

City Royals, he would be no better than Paul Mol.

[Rory]

Pause real quick. Pause real quick. I hate this. In any debate, not even sports, the hypothetical, when you just put someone else in something that didn't happen to devalue them.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah.

[Rory]

It makes.

[Kevin Clancy]

Arguing, bro.

[Rory]

It makes my blood boil.

[Kevin Clancy]

That's how I win arguments.

[E]

Like when you say, Kane Clark wouldn't have all these accomplishments if she played in the men's, like, that kind of thing.

[Rory]

I mean, that we're talking about science and facts. That's not hypothetical. That's not a high. That's, you know, that's how science works all the time. It's like when people are like, yo, if Big never died, HOV would never be hov. It's like, well, he died, and HOV is hov. So I can't really argue this now.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Number four. Let's go.

[Jamal]

Scans was being a hardo. He was a very good player, almost famer.

[Kevin Clancy]

But everyone acts like he's one of the best players in the last 50 years.

[Jamal]

It's a joke.

[Rory]

Like a Hall of Famer, Number four saying he's a Hall of Famer. Crazy.

[Kevin Clancy]

This guy. First on the NBA scene. He was supposed to be.

[Rory]

Did people.

[Jamal]

Him and Shaq.

[Kevin Clancy]

I don't think he busted his knees off. He would have.

[Rory]

I don't think people put Penny Hard away in that crazy street. I'm gonna go an active player.

[Jamal]

Chris Paul. Yeah, I didn't agree with that. Chris Paul. Go over to his ear and go.

[Rory]

He'S not wrong. He's not wrong on that one, though.

[Kevin Clancy]

Bigger smoker than Chris Paul.

[Jamal]

Number two, Eric Lindros.

[Kevin Clancy]

Wait, from the Flyers. Fighting for his draft rights. Yeah.

[Jamal]

The Quebec Nordics traded him twice.

[Rory]

Yeah. I can't comment.

[Jamal]

There is no more, more, greater overrated.

[Kevin Clancy]

Athletes than Joe Namath.

[Jamal]

Yeah, I agree. One game.

[Kevin Clancy]

He had one. It's all it takes, though, baby.

[Jamal]

He didn't even play that good.

[Rory]

It's Broadway Joe.

[D]

I'm with him.

[Jamal]

Joe Namath. I agree with that. Him being over most overrated.

[Kevin Clancy]

Sometimes all you gotta do is to win the big one.

[Jamal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I mean, he's still legendary for sitting on the sidelines of that Patriots jets game, drunk as and talking.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah, it's about the bro one side, not the football side.

[Jamal]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Kevin Clancy]

The picture of him running in. I don't give all.

[Rory]

Talk about the team struggling. Let me. Let me kiss you.

[Kevin Clancy]

Yeah. That's another thing we all just laughed at. And then. Crazy.

[Rory]

Somebody grab him.

[Kevin Clancy]

There was a website called Kissing Susie Colbert. That was a sports blog website. It was like, let's just make fun of the fact that this woman was kissed against her will on television. Bananas, man. All right, Susie, we'll see you.

[Rory]

Derek Jeter's a legend.

[Jamal]

See you at Barstool. Kevin Clancy, KFC Barstool. Shout out to Barstool. One of our favorite platforms. You guys are kicking ass. Thank you, boys, and we'll see you soon.

[Rory]

Yeah. Appreciate you, man.

[Jamal]

Peace.

[Kevin Clancy]

What does it mean to you now when the team is struggling?

[Jamal]

I want to kiss you.

[Kevin Clancy]

I couldn't care less about the team struggling. No worrying.