Episode 255 | A Mule On The Wall

Summary

Podcast Summary: New Rory & MAL – Episode 255 | A Mule On The Wall

Podcast Information:

• Title: New Rory & MAL
• Host/Author: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume
• Description: New stories, new laughs, new random hot takes that no one asked for... New Rory & Mal
• Episode: Episode 255 | A Mule On The Wall
• Release Date: March 29, 2024

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1. Introduction and Recent Developments ([00:00] - [06:00])

The episode kicks off with the hosts, Joe Budden, Rory Farrell, Julian, and Damaris, discussing recent events surrounding Diddy (Sean Combs). They reflect on Diddy's experience managing his public image and the challenges he faces.

Joe Budden opens the conversation with a snippet of a rap he performs, setting the tone for an intense discussion.

2. Diddy's Homeland Security Raids ([03:05] - [10:20])

The primary focus shifts to the high-profile Homeland Security raids on Diddy's properties in New York, Los Angeles, and Miami. The hosts dissect the implications of these raids, speculating on the potential charges and the impact on Diddy's legacy.

Joe Budden shares a detailed account of the incident:

"[03:05] Joe Budden: We had the first fight ever in live podcasting history... People you saw on South Beach, they had condos last year."

Rory Farrell adds his perspective on the shooter's potential motives and the broader cultural impact:

"[09:03] Rory Farrell: I think Puff has done a lot of nasty shit that he needs to pay the price for... he is in that pedophile ring that everyone's put the Epstein shit is do."
"[19:27] Joe Budden: The fall guy."

The hosts express concern over the cultural stain this event may leave on hip-hop, comparing it to historical figures like Jeffrey Epstein.

3. Speculations on Diddy's Future and Cultural Impact ([10:20] - [24:11])

Continuing the discussion, the hosts delve deeper into what the Homeland Security raids could mean for Diddy's future. They explore possibilities such as Diddy either becoming a "fall guy" or leveraging his intelligence and business acumen to navigate the legal challenges.

Joe Budden speculates:

"[24:11] Joe Budden: I don't think he'll flee. I do think he will be arrested... But to Rory's point, I don't think Puff is gonna allow himself to go down."

Rory Farrell discusses the potential for Diddy to use his extensive surveillance and connections as a means of resistance or protection:

"[27:43] Rory Farrell: Puff has cameras in every single room of every single house... he may have to be the face of the downfall."

The conversation highlights the tension between preserving legacy and facing legal repercussions, emphasizing the unprecedented nature of the raids on such a prominent cultural figure.

4. Drake, Kendrick Lamar, and J. Cole's Rivalry ([24:11] - [84:05])

Shifting focus, the hosts engage in a comprehensive analysis of the ongoing rivalry between Drake, Kendrick Lamar, and J. Cole. They break down recent diss tracks, battle strategies, and the expectations surrounding future exchanges.

Joe Budden initiates the discussion:

"[24:11] Joe Budden: I don't think he'll flee. I do think he will be arrested... What does this mean for our culture?"

Rory Farrell emphasizes the "big three" dynamic in hip-hop:

"[28:01] Joe Budden: Our culture's under attack... This is Not. This is Diddy we talking about, bro."

The hosts debate the significance of lyrical battles in hip-hop and how they influence artists' standings within the industry. They also touch upon the pressures artists face to respond swiftly to diss tracks, balancing personal relationships with competitive motives.

5. The "Big Three" Concept in Modern Hip-Hop ([84:05] - [115:17])

The conversation deepens into the concept of the "Big Three" in hip-hop—Drake, Kendrick Lamar, and J. Cole—and their enduring influence on the genre. The hosts analyze how each artist contributes uniquely to the cultural landscape and the implications of their interactions.

Rory Farrell points out:

"[84:05] Rory Farrell: I think Cole is going to tell us how he did all this and how he's better than us and that's it."

Joe Budden adds:

"[87:00] Joe Budden: But this is what he's preparing for... he's about to release his second Kendrick reply and that's just a lot to unpack."

They discuss how the mutual respect and competition among the trio foster a dynamic that both challenges and elevates the genre. The hosts also explore the strategic timing of diss tracks and album releases, pondering how these moves affect their legacies.

6. Cultural and Legacy Implications ([115:17] - [141:17])

The hosts contemplate the broader cultural ramifications of these high-stakes interactions. They consider how legal troubles for figures like Diddy and rivalries among top artists shape public perception and the future direction of hip-hop.

Joe Budden reflects:

"[116:15] Joe Budden: You got to have... it's about legacy, it's about reputation."

Rory Farrell agrees:

"[118:18] Rory Farrell: I think karin is too prepared... and cock parts."

The discussion underscores the interplay between personal conduct, legal accountability, and cultural influence, highlighting the delicate balance artists must maintain to preserve their legacies while navigating complex social dynamics.

7. Caller Interaction and Advice Segment ([148:52] - [161:53])

In a segment towards the end, the hosts address a voicemail from a listener named Evan seeking advice on transitioning from being perceived as a "rebound" to forming a meaningful relationship.

Rory Farrell provides candid advice:

"[152:36] Rory Farrell: Sometimes you can't tell when your man's like, in that gray area of is he just her? No."

Joe Budden humorously suggests:

"[145:46] Joe Budden: Maybe you're just... you've to completely rebrand... start buying your groceries at different stores."

The conversation blends serious advice with humorous takes, maintaining the podcast's characteristic blend of depth and levity.

8. Conclusion and Final Thoughts ([161:53] - End)

As the episode draws to a close, the hosts recap the intense discussions on Diddy's legal challenges and the intricate rivalries within hip-hop. They express anticipation for future developments and the potential shift in cultural narratives based on the outcomes of these high-profile events.

Joe Budden wraps up:

"[163:03] Joe Budden: Y'all all up, man. And Sean rapping."
"[163:05] Rory Farrell: That freestyle is really good."

The hosts sign off with a mix of anticipation and reflection, leaving listeners eager for the next episode's unraveling of hip-hop's evolving landscape.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• "We had the first fight ever in live podcasting history..."
  Joe Budden [03:05]

• "I think Puff has done a lot of nasty shit that he needs to pay the price for..."
  Rory Farrell [09:03]

• "Dammed, that was crazy but that's what the dj, he had."
  Joe Budden [67:14]

• "He told us, how can I elevate my brand, how can I get a different audience..."
  Joe Budden [104:04]

• "What would change?"
  Rory Farrell [30:56]

These quotes encapsulate the episode's key discussions, providing listeners with direct insights from the hosts' dynamic conversations.

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Conclusion:

Episode 255 | A Mule On The Wall delves deep into the complex interplay between legal controversies and cultural influence in hip-hop. Through candid discussions and insightful analysis, the hosts navigate the implications of Diddy's Homeland Security raids and the ongoing rivalries among top artists like Drake, Kendrick Lamar, and J. Cole. The episode not only highlights the pressures artists face in maintaining their legacies but also explores the broader societal impacts of these high-profile events on the genre’s evolution.

Transcript

[Joe Budden]

He added that performative energy. If you out, you can kind of get those lyrics because, you know, everybody think they got a hop. You know, everybody in the club think they.

[Rory Farrell]

And everyone can go, ah, yeah, exactly.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't like that. But everybody could do that. That was crazy.

[Damaris]

No warrior now, hey.

[Joe Budden]

Last night took an L but tonight I bounced back Wake up every morning but I did not count Stacks knew that ass was real when I hit it Bounce back, hold up, you ain't getting checked Swerve, swerve, swerve Last night took a L but tonight I bounced back Boy, I been broke as hel Cash the check and bounce back D.

[Rory Farrell]

LAX Every week I bounce back.

[Joe Budden]

If you a real one and you know how to bounce back.

[Julian]

Hey.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man. I feel like I haven't seen any of you in so long.

[Rory Farrell]

Well, it's been.

[Joe Budden]

It's been a few days, like five or six. I saw you Sunday. Sunday, yes, but today is Thursday. Today's the 28th, I believe. March 28th.

[Rory Farrell]

Yes, we are back.

[Joe Budden]

We are back in the studio.

[Rory Farrell]

Landed this morning in sunny Newark. Sunny Newark, or Newark, as my grandmother would say.

[Joe Budden]

Beautiful. 46 degrees and raining outside right now.

[Rory Farrell]

I was a little nervous that my flight would be delayed and I wouldn't get here on time, but I made it.

[Joe Budden]

I'm glad you made it. Like, you got some sun. You got a little. Little color to you.

[Rory Farrell]

I. I was in the shade for the most part, but I did step. I did have to step outside at some point, and Miami, you know, doesn't do. Doesn't do great with my complexion. I was out there. I was on South Beach. I went to Soho House Ill.

[Joe Budden]

So you go to every city and do the same shit you do home, all right? You're one of those guys like, you. You. You find what you know at home. Like, okay, Soho House.

[Rory Farrell]

Here, you're not wrong.

[Joe Budden]

Is there. Where can I get a good beer like you? You one of those guys?

[Rory Farrell]

Well, I'd never been to the. The Sohouse. Miami one is different because they have, like, a section of the beach, like, cut off on South Beach.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

So you can, like, go out and sit and, like, know that waitress.

[Julian]

You can scoff at the poor people that can't get through the sand that you're on.

[Rory Farrell]

I don't know, man. South beach is a pretty crazy range of finances. I feel like. I feel like there's way more poor people in south beach now than there's rich people.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, there's way more things have shifted. There's way More poor people in the world, like.

[Rory Farrell]

Well, I mean, if you put it that way, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Some of those.

[Rory Farrell]

I can't argue that some of those.

[Joe Budden]

People you saw on south beach, they had condos last year.

[Rory Farrell]

Like, even the Versace mansion now, like, looks a little bando ish. All of South BEACH Looks like 1985 to me. They haven't really updated.

[Joe Budden]

Shit.

[Julian]

You stopped at another house on south beach or not on south beach, but in Miami. Rory was doing a house tour in Miami.

[Rory Farrell]

Well, I mean, we can get to that. Should we recap the DC show first?

[Joe Budden]

Thank you to everyone that came out to the DC show because I'd like to.

[Rory Farrell]

I'd like to properly tell the story.

[Julian]

I'm so ready to get into that. Come on.

[Joe Budden]

Thank you to everybody that came out to the DC show from the DMV area. Because it was people. We can't just say DC was people from all over Baltimore, Virginia. Shout out to the. We had our first fight.

[Rory Farrell]

I think the first fight ever in live podcasting history.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, we had the first fight.

[Rory Farrell]

We should check with a Guinness Book of World Records. I think we did something groundbreaking that no one thought. We thought fighting at an R and B show was crazy.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. No, fighting at a podcast, a live podcast is like, next level. So here's how it happened. First of all, rewind a little bit. The gentleman that was on stage that end up getting into the fight, he was on stage. Shout out to Tequila Talk. They opened for us in D.C. again. So he was on stage with them, and he was talking. Whatever. We were off stage, getting ready to go on, waiting to go on after Tequila Talk got done with their set. And so the gentleman got off. But, you know, you can't really hear what's going on on stage. You can't hear the audience. So he walks right up to me like, yo, Ma, man, they booed me, man. They booed me off the stage. So I looked at him, I was like, I didn't know what they were doing. So I thought maybe he was trying to rap, spit some bars, and they booed him. I didn't know. I was like, damn. You know, I just gave him the damn kid, like, yo. But, you know, hang in there. You know, I gave him one of those. You know what I mean? Keep your head up. Like, I don't know what to say.

[Rory Farrell]

Talk to Rory. He bombs all the time on stage.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. So as he walks away from me to go back out into the audience, he goes to the side door, he says something that's very familiar. If you from the hood and you know some shit is about to happen. He said, all right, watch.

[Rory Farrell]

I might have canceled the show if.

[Joe Budden]

I heard that, but I ain't paying no money.

[Rory Farrell]

Like, he's walking to the car together.

[Joe Budden]

I'm like, I know what I watch mean where I come from. Don't know what it means down here, here in the dmv, right? So I'm like, okay. He was like, all right, watch. Cool. So we go on stage, we start doing our set, and as we're talking, we're talking about the whole, you know, Drake and his history of battle rap and things like that. So we started talking about Drake and Meek's battle. And as we're talking about that, that maybe 10 minutes, then you would say maybe 10 minutes.

[Rory Farrell]

Maybe 10.

[Joe Budden]

As we're talking about that, you start seeing everybody getting up and kind of like. Because the chairs were like foldable chairs. So you can move the chairs. So, like, you see people getting up, pushing chairs, but everybody looks like they're looking at the ground. So initially I thought maybe a rat ran in the venue, but it was.

[Rory Farrell]

A little dark, too, so we couldn't fully see in the background.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Cause you can't really see, but I'm seeing people run and they're looking at the ground. So I'm like, oh, maybe somebody saw a rat running through the venue. You know, people see a rat running in a venue, they getting up, they moving out the way.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Then we learned the gentleman and the security guard were on the floor tussling, no Diddy. So I think I immediately said, he must be a dream chaser. Just try to make fun of the whole Drake Meek situation we were talking about. But we didn't think it was a real fight. We thought maybe, you know, somebody's just having words. Oh, no. Then more security started to come and help the other security guard. And as they were picking him up off of his feet, carrying him out, he was still trying to swing on a security guard. And then he went on his IG live and he.

[Rory Farrell]

Well, he broke free. I'll give him some credit. He did break free for like a second and then was quickly yoked up within, I don't know, four or five seconds after that, he gave a good attempt. We still don't exactly know what started the entire security versus him beef.

[Joe Budden]

I'm guessing he was maybe drunk and. And, you know, was bothering people sitting around him being too loud, belligerent, and they had security come get him. And maybe he didn't want security touching you Know, don't touch me. You know, they don't touch me. You touch him, you got to fight after that. So I'm thinking it was one of those. But the fact that it happened at our show is insane.

[Julian]

Yeah. I was on Twitter and I refreshed the Twitter feed just to see, like. Okay. To see if the show is going smoothly. And then it was like six tweets in a row. They were like, yo, there's a fight. They broke out. They swing in all that. I was like. So then I screenshot of that, and I was like, what the fuck is going on?

[Joe Budden]

Listen, man.

[Julian]

And I didn't hear. Called me after the show because obviously you guys still had to do the show. It was like, what the hell?

[Rory Farrell]

The show didn't really skip a beat. And like, that just speaks to the DMV area. Everyone just kind of moved out the way.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

And then just kept watching the show.

[Joe Budden]

Just kept watching the show. Laughed about it.

[Rory Farrell]

Put their chair back.

[Joe Budden]

Put the chairs back. Everybody sit down. But it was. But aside from that, it was a great show. Great crowd. Great.

[Rory Farrell]

Thank God everyone was okay, too.

[Joe Budden]

I was hoping a young lady that bought her newborn son on stage when we were there maybe two years ago. Yeah. Last time I was hoping she came back with her son so we could see him being that one.

[Damaris]

Being one.

[Joe Budden]

Well, you know, he was six. He was six weeks when we met him.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

So he was only six weeks old. So I was hoping that she came.

[Rory Farrell]

Back, but he might be with a new family, though.

[Joe Budden]

Rory.

[Damaris]

See, that was anti black.

[Joe Budden]

Damaris would say anti black is funny.

[Rory Farrell]

That's racist for calling that anti black.

[Joe Budden]

Maybe he's with the new family is crazy. All right, that's sick.

[Rory Farrell]

I thought. I thought it was cool at the time.

[Joe Budden]

It is. But now that you have.

[Rory Farrell]

Now that I'm just thinking about, like, having a six week old on it. Bringing to a live show and on stage is kind of nuts.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

In retrospect.

[Joe Budden]

Well, we said that then. We were kind of shocked.

[Rory Farrell]

And just now it feels even weirder.

[Joe Budden]

Well, it's different because you have a baby.

[Rory Farrell]

Germs. Everything. That would just terrify me.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Was it weird that they were at this show or that they were on stage?

[Julian]

Both honestly matter.

[Joe Budden]

She couldn't be on stage if she wasn't at the show.

[Rory Farrell]

I think on stage was the safest place for her to be.

[Julian]

That's true.

[Rory Farrell]

I'm actually glad she spent the entire show on that couch with her baby. We have a fight. Breaks like, all right, let's put her in this. This show. What if she's next to that fight with a six week old?

[Damaris]

True.

[Joe Budden]

You brought your baby to the show.

[Damaris]

I must say, we had marshmallow.

[Julian]

She was backstage in the green room.

[Damaris]

I'm not talking about that show. We had marshmallow outside pretty early.

[Rory Farrell]

That's true.

[Julian]

Oh, you're talking about. That's still different, though, because we don't. We're not in the ga.

[Rory Farrell]

I mean, he sounded like. He sounded like a dick when he said it, but that would have been.

[Julian]

My reply as well, essentially, like, no, because I know the show we went to together at Bowery. Like, we were communicating with all of the security ahead of time, escorted ahead of time. We took an elevator up. Like, we're not just dragging this baby through a show. We pretty much delivered her to the VIP section and then we waited for the whole venue to clear out, and then we left. Like, it was very nice.

[Damaris]

He. He's right. It does sound pretentious. But you. You are right.

[Julian]

Go kill me. I'm an. It's all my idea.

[Rory Farrell]

I mean, either way, the DC show was great. Crowd. Crowd was amazing. Everyone that came on stage was cool. Meet and greets were a lot of fun.

[Joe Budden]

Had a lot of fun with. With the crowd, man. Thank you to everybody from the DMV area that came out to the Howard theater. Thank you to the staff at the Howard theater. Thank you to security, and thank you to the guy that got into a fight for giving us, you know, the first fighting podcast, live podcast history. I think we got to check it.

[Rory Farrell]

So I was kind of on, like, not really on his side, per se, because I really didn't know what happened. But, you know, I have a temper and a problem with authority, so I can understand some type of squabble with security. Yeah, I've been in situations like that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

The show continued on. It's like he ruined the show. But then I get back to the hotel and he's explaining the situation, which, again, is fine. But he threw in a shot that was like, I think maybe I just got kicked out because I was making everyone laugh more than the people that were on stage. I'm like, you paid for a ticket to come here and you only gave us three minutes to talk.

[Damaris]

He said, now I gotta spice this up a little.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Rory Farrell]

I didn't get the shot. I don't think it was necessary. But, you know, he didn't get refunded.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Julian]

Hopefully find his live.

[Joe Budden]

He tagged me in it. Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

I think he added.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. So I'll find anything on social media with me.

[Julian]

That's hilarious.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, he tagged us out. I looked at it for a second. I just laughed. And. And that was it. But overall, great show. Had a great time in D.C. thank you to everybody.

[Rory Farrell]

Next day, we went to Nucci's front porch.

[Joe Budden]

Nucci.

[Rory Farrell]

We did the. We had the first podcast, Live fight. And then we had the first podcast ever on the front porch with our guy Nucci. Yeah, that should be out very soon. But it was fun to do that. Then I made the, like, biggest rookie move. I was almost embarrassed. I didn't think I was going to tell anyone. I went to the wrong airport.

[Joe Budden]

How.

[Damaris]

How embarrassing.

[Rory Farrell]

I didn't. And this is. I drive to D.C. i think I've flown into D.C. and out of D.C. once or twice in my entire life. I only know the greatest president of all time, Ronald Reagan. That's the only airport I know. I didn't know the. Like, that's their LaGuardia. I didn't know they had a JFK. Like, the real airport. So I leave DCA is.

[Joe Budden]

That is Ronald Reagan, I believe. Hey, Ronald Reagan is deep. That's the international airport.

[Rory Farrell]

So that's the one I went to. Apparently I needed to go to the bigger airport, which is like Washington International or something.

[Julian]

Washington D.C. washington Duck or some.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, those dolls.

[Julian]

Dulles.

[Joe Budden]

Dallas is in Maryland, right?

[Rory Farrell]

All right. So you guys are actually making me feel better that.

[Julian]

No, Dallas is. Yeah, that's a. That's big.

[Joe Budden]

But that's in Maryland, though.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah. So I. But all right. Sometimes when you fly out of Newark, it'll say NYC even though you're not. So I leave Newchees, get to the airport. I'm like, oh, I'll be able to eat, chill for a second, go to the kiosk, type in my little number to check my bags. Just in huge letters. I didn't even know this existed in the kiosk. You are at the wrong airport. Leave.

[Julian]

Yeah, they're not that close to each other either.

[Rory Farrell]

No. Especially not on a Sunday with Sunday traffic.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

I just made my flight to ruin my girl's birthday while she had a screaming toddler with her for an hour and a half.

[Joe Budden]

That would have been.

[Rory Farrell]

Thank God the two. Two women that were there like, held it to the last minute so we could even check our bags. I was like, oh, this is off to an amazing start. This is gonna be the worst trip ever.

[Julian]

Were you on your Karen shit? Like, hold that flight.

[Rory Farrell]

I didn't even. I didn't have time to do my Karen. I was just in traffic being a Karen to the Uber driver.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, God. Oh, God, I hate that.

[Rory Farrell]

No, no, he was really nice. He actually.

[Julian]

Poor immigrant, he was nice.

[Rory Farrell]

I'm not. I don't want to snitch on him. I'm not going to say Uber tag. He had me take out the stickers out his window so he could go to like the regular drop off entrance and not the, the Uber lift one. So he was nice.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Rory Farrell]

Everyone looked out and it worked out well.

[Joe Budden]

Good, because I'm. That would have been a whole nother story had you missed that flight.

[Rory Farrell]

So next day, Kia's actual birthday surprise her, like with this helicopter ride through Miami. Yeah, we're going up south beach, doing the hotel. Like, this is where the dolphins play. And like, you know, he's doing the whole tour guide.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

Few hours before that, I had refreshed my phone to see that there happened to be a Homeland Security raid at P. Diddy's LA home and Miami home. So I said over the little speaker thingy, hey, if we have like a few minutes, I don't know if you're allowed to do this. Like, do you have free range to fly anywhere? He's like, where do you want to go? I was like, do you ever heard of Star Island? He's like, yeah, I know exactly where that is. Why do you want to go there? So I just want to check something out real quick. Veers are left. Go over and I just see nothing but fucking sirens. Homeland Security covered over his crib over Star Island. I'm like, oh, this is for real, for real.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you thought it was just a timeline thing.

[Rory Farrell]

It was. It was still new at that point. Like there hadn't even been TMZ footage like that yet. So you and I just happen to have good timing. So you be in a helicopter.

[Joe Budden]

You had the first footage of the actual tmz. Star island home.

[Rory Farrell]

I did not send it to.

[Julian]

You took a. You took a rope. You said, drop the rope here and you rappel down and you, you got into the Homeland guys. Like, I got it from here, pal.

[Rory Farrell]

It does go to show, like, how invasive helicopters are.

[Joe Budden]

We said, pulling a little closer. I'll just be a fly on the wall.

[Julian]

Right, right. Put on the Velcro bag.

[Joe Budden]

In his loud ass helicopter. Like, in his loud ass helicopter. They'll never know where.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah, this is where I spend New Year's Eve. Just, just lower it right there. Yeah, I have clearance with holding the.

[Julian]

Rope with Amara in his other hand.

[Joe Budden]

Nasty times.

[Rory Farrell]

I mean, I don't know. Does that make me weird? It was my first time ever in a helicopter. We happened to be right next to Star Island.

[Julian]

It's pretty historic.

[Rory Farrell]

You know, you pay a lot of money for those things. I thought I could give directions.

[Julian]

Yeah. It's better than seeing bbls from afar.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

You think? I was a Karen at the airport. I was a Karen in the helicopter. Sir. I don't care what the wind is right now. I have to go see Puff's house.

[Joe Budden]

I don't care if it's a no fly zone.

[Rory Farrell]

Get us over there if we get shot down. I was shocked that there wasn't more helicopters. I think that's why we were so early on the whole thing. But it was interesting to watch.

[Joe Budden]

Well, it was interesting to watch all of this unfold. As everyone knows, Diddy's homes and properties In New York, LA, and Miami were raided by Homeland Security that Monday.

[Rory Farrell]

It was Monday.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, Monday. And a lot of reports have come out. You know, a lot of people are speaking out about it. So here we are to give our. Our take on all of the information that we have and all of the things that have transpired over the last few days. My.

[Rory Farrell]

I mean, my biggest surprise, honestly, was not that the cops or anyone rated Puff's Crip, like we all speculated after these reports were coming out. We didn't even know if that little rod thing was fully true. Some of the paperwork a little funny in the light, but so many people were coming out, and not everything was getting settlements and was talking about crimes. Wasn't shocking that he may be arrested. Homeland Security, though, raiding three of your houses, to me, is way crazier than I could have ever expected.

[Joe Budden]

At the same damn time, I could.

[Rory Farrell]

Really see Puff getting arrested. Cool. But Homeland Security with a report that it could be for sex trafficking.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

Is fucking insane.

[Joe Budden]

This is. You know, I'm seeing people talk about it online and, you know, different platforms that are talking about it. This. This is something that we've never, never seen in our culture. I'm old enough to remember when the feds rated Neverland.

[Rory Farrell]

Same.

[Joe Budden]

I remember what that felt like. This is a little different, though, because, number one, this is. We're talking about one of the kings of our culture, someone that we appointed and as one of our kings of our culture, somebody that I'm old enough to remember. A lot of y'all here a little younger than me, so y'all don't really understand the impact that Puff has had on the culture per se, but this is. It doesn't get much in our culture. It doesn't get much bigger than Diddy. We don't know. Puff is not arrested. He's not under arrest. His lawyer released a statement saying he is cooperating with the investigation.

[Rory Farrell]

It didn't appear that way at first. I mean, we don't know. The reports of his plane going from LA to Antigua like he was. Then I saw some report from, like, a reputable platform that was like, he's then gonna go to Cape Verde after that. Like, this whole running plan, that's.

[Joe Budden]

That's what. That's. See, that's the dangerous part of social media, because verified checks, you can buy.

[Rory Farrell]

Now, so it doesn't really matter what you say.

[Joe Budden]

That.

[Rory Farrell]

And now you're verified.

[Joe Budden]

And, you know, Puff could have had this vacation planned for weeks.

[Rory Farrell]

True.

[Joe Budden]

He could have had a family vacation plan for weeks. He could have had business going on. Um, but if your house is rated.

[Rory Farrell]

Are you still like, yeah, let's go to Antigua for, you know, a little R and R, or do you pack up all your shit that you have and run to that, To Van Nuys with your computers?

[Julian]

But he wasn't even on the jet. So then the question becomes, what is he?

[Rory Farrell]

What did he.

[Julian]

What's he moving?

[Rory Farrell]

Well, that's why I wanted to follow up with what Mall said. With Homeland Security. They were either knew exactly what they were looking for or trying to get something not to go out to the public. Swear this isn't me putting my tinfoil hat on, but when Homeland Security is involved, yes, this could be some type of way to make sure things are not grabbed by the regular police, state troopers. It does need to be in their possession, because as we know, Puff rubs shoulders with a lot of people that have a lot to lose.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

And to know that Puff has cameras in every single room of every single house. Years and years of security footage. Who knows what's on the laptops? There's already been witnesses talking about the party directly to the feds. There could also be a world that they were grabbing shit to make sure it doesn't come out. And Puff may have to be the. The face of the downfall. He already has too much nasty shit on his jacket. He's probably done a lot of shit wrong. It's an easy target. And he's rubbed shoulders with so many people that are outside of this culture, just in general.

[Joe Budden]

The downfall, the. The. The fall guy.

[Julian]

That's what I think.

[Rory Farrell]

Because home, like, I don't think. Because of course, we saw nothing but Conspiracies over the entire week. Like we've said on this podcast. I personally think Puff has done a lot of nasty shit that he needs to pay the price for. I don't know, just in my gut feeling that he is in that pedophile ring that everyone's put the Epstein shit is do. I think he's done some nasty sexual assault, borderline rape, disgusting things with people of age. Sure. And he needs to see his day in court for those. I don't know if this is the pedophile thing that they're trying to make this Homeland Security raid look like. I think there's been some people he's been around that are into that type of shit.

[Joe Budden]

Who said this is pedophile?

[Rory Farrell]

Oh, there's two sides of the Internet.

[Julian]

The left and the right.

[Rory Farrell]

The entire right. If you even would watch some of what Fox News was saying. Everyone is convinced that this is attached to the Obamas, the Epstein's and the pedophile ring. That's what that whole side is not.

[Julian]

I think that's a ridiculous. I think bolstering that is ridiculous. Like it's very intentional. They said it was for sex trafficking.

[Rory Farrell]

Now, most people put sex trafficking with minors. That's what they typically go hand in hand with. We're dealing with the media. The media is stupid. So everyone's gonna think, especially these days, that Puff is under accusations of sex trafficking with minors. Because that's just what people think these days.

[Joe Budden]

Now, I don't think that a lot of people understand what sex trafficking is, myself included. Well, sex trafficking literally can be fucking.

[Julian]

At a red light.

[Joe Budden]

If I have a tour bus and I have a show and we meet some women at the show and we bring them on the tour bus and, you know, we have a show in D.C. and we drive back to New.

[Rory Farrell]

York, hold them against their will with.

[Joe Budden]

Well, not hold them, not even hold them against their will. And then now I have other friends in New York that I introduced this girl to, and it's like they have sex with her and it's like, you know, we may compensate her, send a little wire transfer, you know, whatever, whatever. Yo, we going over here, come out here, meet some of my, like, you know, because a lot of people think sex trafficking is literally see a girl jogging down the street and pull up in a white van, snatch her, throw her in the van and fucking like, that's not what it is. That's.

[Damaris]

That's a crime.

[Joe Budden]

That's a crime as well. But it can also be as simple.

[Rory Farrell]

As there's a spectrum of it.

[Joe Budden]

Get on my tour bus, we go to another city and more of my friends, we all have sex with each other. Like.

[Rory Farrell]

Well, I believe one, one case that came out around the Cassie time was when I think she was in Michigan or something and she had photos of her and Puff, like in the studio and I told a story that Puff flew her out and then who was the president? Bad boy Harv? Harvard? The two of them, I guess raped her or something along those lines. That could very well be what this rate is for because she did come out. Name face, everything in evidence. And that could be sex trafficking to what you're saying. I think they flew her from Detroit or wherever the fuck it was to where they were and a sexual assault happened.

[Joe Budden]

I think that this is a case of there may have been because now we've learned that there are cameras in the rooms. I think this may be a case of some high profile people being on those cameras having sex, sexual intercourse with whoever and they just could not risk that coming out. Like, we know the lawsuit that Little Rod has in place and we know the names that he has stated in those lawsuits. Those are some very serious names. It doesn't get much bigger than some of those names that are in that lawsuit. So when Homeland Security moves the way they did, that's one of the highest levels of the government that costs a lot of money. Again, this is a tactical team that went in. These are the same niggas that went and got Osama. Like, this is that level of, you know, tactics and, and force and, you know, we're talking about Diddy's houses with his kids. It's not like there were any violent crimes. It's not like they would, you know, reports of it being grenades and guns and things like that.

[Rory Farrell]

Well, no, there was, there was a lot of reports of Diddy having illegal guns everywhere.

[Joe Budden]

Well, you can have guns in your home.

[Rory Farrell]

I think this was a little illegal. Guns crazy and not illegal. But a lot of it was for show. Of course, as seen in the past.

[Joe Budden]

Be clear, this is, this is definitely a show. This is definitely a show of force. A show of, you know, you're diddy but stay in your place. Like, you're not bigger than the program, you're not bigger than the system.

[Julian]

Okay, but what happens, okay, I get like, what do you guys think? What's going to happen to Diddy? What is your prediction? Will he get arrested? What are the ramifications? Will he flee? Pull a Russell?

[Joe Budden]

I don't know. I don't think he'll flee. I don't think he'll flee. I do think he will be arrested. I do think that he will be brought up on some charges. But again, his lawyer released a statement saying that he is cooperating. He is not holding them from any part of their investigation. He's allowing them to search properties, do whatever.

[Julian]

You know, I mean, he can't.

[Rory Farrell]

Judging by.

[Julian]

Even if he wanted to, he couldn't.

[Rory Farrell]

To answer your question direct, I would have to say, judging by the evidence that we know and the evidence that we can just speculate because they did this, I think Diddy is going to. Samuel the Bull this entire thing. I think he's going to take the whole show down.

[Joe Budden]

Well, if he.

[Rory Farrell]

I don't think Puff is. I don't think Puff is sitting in jail for the rest of his life. I think Puff has shown us that he's extremely selfish. I think he would tell you he's extremely selfish. I don't think Puff is not going to be around his kids. I think he's taking the whole business down with him. If he has to go, well, that's the other side. He's not going to be the fall guy for this.

[Joe Budden]

This is the other side of this that I don't think people are realizing and touching on. Puff has. Maybe he's in a position now where he can really take down a lot of people, A lot of powerful people.

[Julian]

It's the Epstein position.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. And then. But then. Okay, so we're gonna go that route, you know, I do. You know, we've seen that whole Epstein thing play out, right? We. I think it's safe to say Epstein didn't. He wasn't. He didn't kill himself. I don't think Epstein had that much more. Was an integrity where it was.

[Rory Farrell]

I don't think he had any.

[Joe Budden]

It was death before dishonor. Like, oh, he was gonna be. He didn't have. Yeah, he didn't have.

[Rory Farrell]

Now, Justleen, whatever her name is.

[Julian]

Ghislaine.

[Rory Farrell]

Ghislaine I always name up. She's 10 toes. That might. That might be the most solid bitch on earth.

[Julian]

She really is.

[Joe Budden]

But, you know, either way, this Diddy thing is. Is going to be a lot bigger than I think people think it looks. This is. Like I said, we've never seen. I've never seen anything like. Like, the Michael Jackson thing was big, but again, we never seen. I never seen this, though. I've never seen kids in handcuffs on the lawn. Like, this is like, oh, shit. Like, they're not around. They don't give a fuck about power, money, status. This is like, yo, crimes were committed here. Everybody get out. We're tearing through this house. We know what we're looking for because they went in there. They know what they were looking for. They were given information. They were told this is here, that is there. This is where it's at. This is where you can find this. I believe they have everything, all the information they need. I think they just went to go get it for themselves. So now they have it in custody. And now following that, yes, I do believe Puff will be brought up on charges and arrested. But to Rory's point, I don't think that Puff is gonna allow himself to go down. If this was indeed a ring like people are alluding to, if this was a bunch of other elites involved, I can't see Puff taking the blame or taking the fault for this on his own. I think that he will again, like his lawyer said, cooperate with the investigation.

[Rory Farrell]

And we know Puff to be one, extremely intelligent. Two, one of the most ruthless business people that we've ever came across. I see a world where he has archived all this footage of his peers in compromising situations for blackmail purposes. And I think that's either going to bite him in the ass or maybe be his ticket to walk. I see a world where he does give everyone up, but I also see a world where he could have so much evidence against other people that they pull favor for favor for favor. And let's all just bury all of this. Let Puff do six months at, you know, one of the federal camps where they play tennis and give you ice cream and then it's, it's. He's back in the streets. I see that option too. I mean, all the blackmail he has may actually be his ticket out of here.

[Joe Budden]

Well, I mean, that's another way to look. There's a, there's a bunch of different ways to look at this thing, but, you know, what does this mean for our culture? Because I feel like our culture's under attack as of right now. I feel like there's a lot of things that we're gonna become privy to that's going to question our morals, question our, our beliefs.

[Julian]

Under, under attack and what, this is all self induced?

[Joe Budden]

Well, no, when I say under attack meaning, like depending on what footage they have and what. And evidence that they have of what's been going on for however many years, I think that this definitely, if it's as bad as they're making it seem, this definitely puts a nasty Stain on our culture. Without a doubt. This is one of the biggest figures we've ever had in our culture.

[Damaris]

Is it a stain or a light?

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

Honestly, if you look at everyone covering.

[Joe Budden]

It, that's how you look at it. Putting a light on it, exposing it. But now, again, the information is what comes out of it. Who did what, who was involved. If it's some people that we've looked up to and we've idolized and we've worked with. Cause we didn't even get to that part. People that we've worked with, people that we've, you know, been next to and been in business with for years. If it comes out that they're doing some of these wild and crazy things that are being alleged, I think that changes a lot for the culture. That. That completely turns it on its ear. Like, whoa. So this is. The things we've been hearing is real. Like the wild shit, the nasty shit, the abuse and all of that that have been alleged over the years, the whispering. So it's. It's. It's real. I think that changes everything for our culture, without a doubt. I don't think that there's any other way to look at it. Like, how can it not. These are people that we appointed. This is someone that we held up as one of our kings. This is not. This is Diddy we talking about, bro. This is not. No, you know, just some guy that just manages a couple artists and has had some good records. Like, this is a mogul. This is somebody that we've championed. Somebody that we've looked to, you know, as an example of the things and the places that we can go coming from, where we come from. So for it to turn into something else that is now abuse and trafficking and people being taken advantage of and women being, you know, if it turns into that, how can it not change the culture?

[Julian]

What would change?

[Joe Budden]

I think the way we look at people that are in certain positions change. I think the way that, you know, I think the things that we consume changes how, though? Because I don't think that we are no longer attracted to some of the things that we've been attracted to, which, like partying and, you know, drugs and drinking and.

[Julian]

Oh, I don't think that's gonna change.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I think that changes a lot. I think a lot of people look at all of that shit totally different. Like, nah, I'm not a part of that.

[Rory Farrell]

But I feel like the amount of rappers that have been died of gun violence, nothing changed as far as people's point of View on that. Like, as a whole, I just think how hip hop is viewed now. If you look at all the news publications that have been covering this for the past week, they've. They don't cover hip hop at all now. Like, has my pops texted me about this puff, like, yo, you were you ever had any of those parties? I'm like, no. But my dad doesn't hit me up about anything hip hop related. This is across the world now. Hip hop is being viewed as this Now. I don't think it's, I don't think.

[Joe Budden]

That'S why I said it changes.

[Rory Farrell]

I just don't think it's that crazy because as opposed to what? Culture. Politics has this thing.

[Julian]

Yeah, exactly.

[Rory Farrell]

Rock and roll has disdain.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but that's not, that's not, that's.

[Rory Farrell]

Wall street has this thing.

[Julian]

Everything is our culture.

[Joe Budden]

Politics is not our culture.

[Julian]

No, like hip hop and this, this is it. This is, we're seeing what it is.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but this is why I said it changes the culture. Because if that's what positive light was.

[Julian]

Hip hop looked in before this, by the way, like hip hop killing each.

[Joe Budden]

Other in a very, it was looked at it in a very positive light. Is somebody that comes from somebody that comes from somebody that comes from the, the city, in the streets, that Diddy comes from going to college, making his ways up in the ranks of the music business, turning that into fashion, turning that into lifestyle, selling all of the things that he sold. He made it, he made it, he made it real intangible that yo, I can come from the streets and I can become this figure that is at the top of the fucking culture. And I'm employing people. I'm making people's dreams come true. I'm, I'm, I'm signing people, artists. And of course it changes everything.

[Rory Farrell]

Were you saying from inside the culture or outside? Because outside, I don't think they've ever covered the positivity of Puff.

[Julian]

That's, I'm talking about the now.

[Rory Farrell]

They're just covering the negative. Now to your point, I think within the culture. Yeah. Puff was 100% a representation of that in a positive light. Now things look a little crazy, but outside the culture, I don't know, people are always going to find any way to cover hip hop.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

Negatively.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I mean.

[Damaris]

Since the beginning, always.

[Rory Farrell]

And now you even see how they've tried to flip this, attaching Puff to the Obama's, attaching him to the vote or die campaign. And well, anybody democratic pawn that, anybody.

[Joe Budden]

That he's ever been Hillary in a photo with or done business with. Of course, that's a higher person, a higher level going to be.

[Julian]

On the conspiracy tip, they're. They say up next is your. Your guy Jay. How do you guys feel about that?

[Rory Farrell]

That was.

[Joe Budden]

They've been saying. They've been saying that Jay was up next for 16 years now.

[Julian]

But I'm just saying it's. This is the.

[Rory Farrell]

They also said Jay owns the same way, owns an island, so you know what that means.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I was like, all right, I feel the same way. They've been saying Jay and Beyonce have been up next for doing dirty shit for at least 16, 17 years now. But like I said, I think that anybody whose name is that associated to Puff and working that close to Puff having a relationship with Puff over the years, I think they're gonna. Everybody's name is gonna be thrown in. He's next. She's next.

[Rory Farrell]

Well, speaking into who's next, Al Sharpton is a rat. I don't know why that. Just don't go right after him. He'll tell it all.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, huge rat.

[Damaris]

We. Well, speaking.

[Rory Farrell]

I was standing right next to him at a Puff party. I was like, al Sharpton's here. He was probably wearing a wire.

[Damaris]

You just read it and tell him that he's.

[Rory Farrell]

I'm sure there's a photo of Al Sharpton at that party I was at. There was Revolt. Cameras everywhere. Nothing was a secret.

[Julian]

Oh, it was one of those parties, though. The camera safe.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah, I think it was. I think it was streaming live on Revolt. There was nothing happening at that party.

[Damaris]

Um, Caresha. That's what he's talking about up next.

[Rory Farrell]

Yo, imagine, like, making, like, out of the Miami streets. We've listened to city girls. We know what they went through. JT's been to jail. Like, they, you know, they had a rough upbringing. Imagine finally getting out of that shit and getting popped for moving coke for Puff.

[Joe Budden]

Now, when I saw that. What's the white kid, Paul. What's his name?

[Julian]

Oh, his drug mule who used to play for. He was a shooter at Syracuse. That boy could play.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah, that practice footage, he could fall. He should have got more minutes.

[Joe Budden]

When I, When I saw. And his mug shot they took down the white boy, I said, oh, this is, this is. He's. He's. He's giving it up in the back of the cop car.

[Rory Farrell]

See, I. I find that offensive and racist.

[Joe Budden]

Fine. Like I said, why do you think.

[Rory Farrell]

He'S giving it up?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, that face. I know that face.

[Rory Farrell]

He Looked a little scared.

[Damaris]

I don't know. We all. We stand 10 toes in Syracuse.

[Rory Farrell]

I was gonna say, too.

[Joe Budden]

You have to. I know a bunch of rats in Syracuse.

[Damaris]

You don't know nobody in Syracuse. I know a bunch of rats in the Bronx.

[Joe Budden]

That's a fact. That's. I know. Facts. I'm not. There's rats everywhere. Let's be clear. That white nigga's giving up. Paul. What's his name? Brendan Paul. What's his name? Paul? Yeah.

[Julian]

He has two first names. Brendan Paul.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man. Two first names. You know, Brendan Paul ain't standing 10 toes. He in there, told me. I called my mom. It wasn't me.

[Julian]

That's my bag.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, definitely Julian's bag. Call my mom. It wasn't me.

[Julian]

I'll make the joke.

[Joe Budden]

Puff asked me to do it for him.

[Rory Farrell]

I don't know, man.

[Joe Budden]

Sometimes I just wanted to be cool. I wanted to be around the culture.

[Rory Farrell]

Sometimes I feel like those from Seattle, too.

[Julian]

Oh, he's like, no, he's from Ohio.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, God.

[Rory Farrell]

Come on. I might hold it down.

[Joe Budden]

Brendan Paul's not holding anything down. I can tell you that.

[Damaris]

How the.

[Julian]

Oh, my God. He went to Brewster Academy in New Hampshire. This guy is singing. He sang before they got there.

[Rory Farrell]

Okay, hear me out. Just quickly.

[Damaris]

He's how they. How Homeland Security got the info.

[Julian]

He opened the door.

[Rory Farrell]

Sometimes these guys that are not part of that world and get into it late are the guys that actually hold it down because they think this facade, you have to not snip. It's the people that have been in the game for 20 years that give it up in two fucking seconds because they know this guy thinks he's living in a movie. I think he's in Miami giving Puff coke. He probably is sitting there like, nah, I got to hold it down for puff.

[Joe Budden]

He averaged 0.1 points per game in his college career.

[Julian]

Yeah, For Skip Bayless Numbers.

[Joe Budden]

He's snitching.

[Julian]

He's snitching.

[Joe Budden]

He has nothing to lose.

[Julian]

Took five shots over the course of his college career.

[Rory Farrell]

He was balling in practice, though. That footage on Twitter.

[Joe Budden]

You talking about practice?

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah, I'm talking about practice.

[Damaris]

I don't know how he got from SU basketball team into the position of being. Oh, Denny's coke.

[Rory Farrell]

Two people have that doc, by next Wednesday. Okay, so we'll know anything about this.

[Joe Budden]

So now. So now we. So now let's put on our tinfoil hat.

[Julian]

And you got to keep a white boy close for the drugs. Like, if anybody's gonna get Jammed up with the drugs.

[Joe Budden]

Paul, Brendan, Paul, you know, and you know. You know who else keeps a white boy close? Homeland Security. Who is this white boy? Why was he allowed to just come into Puff's crib and start supplying drugs and pills and like that?

[Julian]

Probably Puffs type.

[Joe Budden]

Who is he?

[Rory Farrell]

Okay, but do you think he'll really. How much coke do you really think he was caught with? 1, 2. They really have actual evidence of. He may end up getting like a misdemeanor where he wouldn't even need to snitch.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not. No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Rory Farrell]

When they say drug mule. He was on a plane with a little bit of coke in his pocket and they got him.

[Joe Budden]

But you don't know how much.

[Rory Farrell]

They've gotten more from TSA and people haven't done time.

[Joe Budden]

Right, but you're over how much time, though?

[Rory Farrell]

I don't think they were. I don't think this guy was supplying bricks. I just don't.

[Joe Budden]

He don't have to be supplying bricks. I'm just saying. Over how much time do you think. Okay, put an eight ball in your bag right now and fly from JFK to lax.

[Damaris]

No, no, I mean, nothing really happens, honestly.

[Julian]

Yeah, nothing really happens. Yeah, yeah.

[Damaris]

They don't really be checking for a balls like that.

[Joe Budden]

That's what's up. No, but get caught with it. I'm not saying they checking for it.

[Julian]

Oh, get caught. Oh, that's a story.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, get caught with it and see what happens. Let's just see what happens.

[Rory Farrell]

Because we again, even like the Formidable news spots just get little bits of police reports and that is a fact. But then they run with it in the title. We all know this guy was Diddy's drug mule.

[Julian]

This is crazy.

[Rory Farrell]

He may have been around Puff and just got caught with some coke.

[Julian]

He started making beats during the Pandemic, according to a Facebook post in 2020. And he eventually began. How do you do? He started producing for the Love album.

[Rory Farrell]

Now I understand what. That album was so good.

[Joe Budden]

I don't need. Who was that Little Ride dude? I've never heard of him before this.

[Rory Farrell]

I had neither. He did a lot of records on the Love Album, though. Before that, I don't know.

[Joe Budden]

These niggas is agents, man. Let's just go ahead and say it. These niggas is agents, bro.

[Rory Farrell]

That's what they said about Tekashi, that. That the FBI taught him how to rap.

[Joe Budden]

These niggas have been placed around.

[Julian]

Puff taught him how to rap.

[Rory Farrell]

That's a real conspiracy. That that that is a new strategy.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think this has been a.

[Rory Farrell]

Strategy for a long time. That they are taking musically inclined people and placing them. That's the real industry plan.

[Joe Budden]

So when I say the coaches under attack, this is what I'm talking about. Who is these niggas? Who is Little Rod? Who is Brendan Paul? All of a sudden these niggas got so close to Puff where they start supplying drugs and, and chicks and video and recording every. Who are these niggas? Where did they come from?

[Rory Farrell]

Even this is a little far fetched for my tinfoil ass. Like, I know. I don't think they scooped up Brendan Paul as a. Not even a six man off the Syracuse bench and was like, do you want to join the FBI or the CIA? I just don't think it went that way. I think there is a world where that happens in other places. Well, let me tell you, CIA agents can speak a million different languages. They can. They're doing tricks with their guns, backflips, jumping out of planes. I think they can learn how to play the keyboard pretty good. So I think there is a world where agents, yes. Have great music taste and know how to pick a sample. I just don't know if Brendan Paul is the one. Maybe Little Rod, bro, let me tell you, hating.

[Joe Budden]

Let me tell you something though.

[Rory Farrell]

I think he was talented. I just don't think he was. I don't think the CIA was like looking at his game film and was like, that's our guy to get puffed, bro.

[Joe Budden]

Let me tell you something, we gonna, over the next few weeks, we're gonna learn a lot of that we didn't think was possible.

[Rory Farrell]

Listen.

[Joe Budden]

And we gonna be sitting here like, holy. And that's what I'm trying to say when. I mean the culture looks like it's under attack. This is one of our kings. And this is how they did him. And this is the tactical team that they sent into his houses and put his kids in handcuffs.

[Damaris]

And if he's guilty of all the things that they say that he's gonna.

[Joe Budden]

Put him under the jail.

[Damaris]

Yeah, he's not.

[Joe Budden]

If Puff sexually abused or is guilty of any of these illegal crimes that they're placing on him, I'm not here to cape for him. You gotta wear that. You gotta take that. But that's if he's guilty of any of these things that he's being alleged of.

[Damaris]

But we also had this conversation. Even if this doesn't happen, when you're talking about the culture being an attack and these Stains and all. Even if this doesn't happen and only the Cassie case happens, is that or is that not enough?

[Rory Farrell]

It's enough, you know.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no.

[Rory Farrell]

Look where we stood on that.

[Joe Budden]

We only stood on that the way we did because he settled out. Had he not settled out? I don't. You know what I mean? And I know, you know, they settling out is not an admission of guilt on some level. And some level it is just saying, okay, yeah, I'll take that. I'll take whatever. But all of those charges in that law, all of it was nasty. So if I'm guilty of one of those things, it's like, yo, that's. Bro, that's insane to have any of those allegations on your jacket. What I'm saying is this, though, sending the tactical teams in to Diddy's properties. We've never seen a tactical team run down on the Playboy Mansion. And I'm sure.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And I'm positive over however many years that Playboy Mansion has been there, there's been underage girls having sex, and there's been a lot of drugs being used.

[Rory Farrell]

I think Neil Brennan called it Playboy.

[Damaris]

Mention.

[Rory Farrell]

Sorry, Jeffrey Epstein's island with the grotto.

[Joe Budden]

It's. Yes, I'm more than positive.

[Damaris]

I think if it was still open. I think if it was still open today, it. I feel like the times are. Is what have changed or what have changed? Like, all of these things are now being looked at because we live in a new world under his light, where it's like, yeah, not only are these things illegal, they've always been illegal, they're also wrong. So I feel like Diddy has probably been. If. If he's guilty of these things, he's been doing these things for years, but now this is coming to light. I think if the Playboy Mansion was still up and running, I think that the same thing would probably happen to.

[Rory Farrell]

The Cassie point where Diddy could really be fucked. I don't think NDAs qualify with criminal court. If I settle out with you in a civil lawsuit and I sign an NDA not to discuss it, I don't think that NDA is valid in a courtroom.

[Joe Budden]

Another thing that people didn't pay attention to.

[Rory Farrell]

She was talking about him shooting people like it was crazy.

[Joe Budden]

Another thing that people aren't paying attention to in this whole thing is his chief of staff just turned witness.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

She was named in a little rod.

[Rory Farrell]

Suit and said she was gonna be 10 toes.

[Joe Budden]

And. And. And now.

[Damaris]

Who? Chris. Dang. Chris, right?

[Joe Budden]

Ethiopia.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Oh, okay.

[Joe Budden]

This is Puff's chief Of staff. Which means everything runs through her.

[Rory Farrell]

She's singing his Ghislaine.

[Joe Budden]

Everything runs through her.

[Julian]

Never get.

[Joe Budden]

So we can make memes and jokes and all that shit. We gonna start seeing and hearing some shit in the next couple weeks.

[Julian]

He's fried.

[Joe Budden]

That is gonna really fuck us up and how we feel and how it's gonna test. I'm telling you, everybody I know, a lot of. See a lot of people that on the Internet now and have these blogs, these platforms, they're not old enough to really know the impact that Puff had on the culture. A lot of these guys, 25, 26, 27. Like, Puff has not dominated music in a long time. I'm talking about from the 90s and seeing what he did and what he built and how he came up to where he is today. I saw that, I watched that. This is somebody that we've always held as yo, Puff is that nigga. To see him now in this part of his life going through this, bro, this is. This. This is disappointing. This is sad. This is. This is a tragedy. This is like. This is. This is really some shit that we only thought that we would see in a movie. This is movie shit. This is movie. This is the end of the movie where it all comes falling down. And we find out that the uncle that we thought was the most stand up, honest, loving, caring, supportive person did.

[Rory Farrell]

We think is not that.

[Julian]

Who thought about, like, am I tripping? I know I didn't.

[Joe Budden]

Well, over the last couple of years, it's. I'm talking about. I'm talking about from the beginning, like.

[Julian]

In the slice of music industry experience that I've had, I haven't heard anything good about him. And I have not. Haven't been in this shit forever. Only like six years or so in. But it's just. This doesn't surprise me.

[Joe Budden]

Well, that's what you just said. You've been in six, seven years. We told him. I'm talking about going way back further than that.

[Julian]

I know, but my point is, like, then I would assume the nasty stuff was going.

[Joe Budden]

We've heard artists had their gripes with him, you know, not getting their publishing and getting paid, things like that. A lot of people write that off to you signed that contract.

[Rory Farrell]

And he became friends with most of them afterwards.

[Joe Budden]

You understand what I'm saying? So it's like a lot of that shit we had to dismiss because it's like, okay, these same artists that felt that way, a lot of them is cool with them now. A lot of them have even done Business with them again. You understand what I'm saying? So those type of things was like, that's business. You know, they. That's their thing. You signed that contract. You got to stand behind whatever you signed. Yes. A lot of these artists were young. They didn't really know how to read a contract. So you could say they were taken advantage of. I get all of that. But at the end of the day, they signed that contract. And if all Puff was doing was going by what was in those contracts, yeah, it's still fucked up. They didn't know, but they signed the contract. I'm talking about all these things that came out in the last few years, testing Puff's character as far as sexual abuse and things like that. These things are something that we never saw happening. And coming up, it's just crazy to.

[Rory Farrell]

Like, the arrogance you have to have of having the same practices in the new era. Like, Cosby might have been the only one that didn't get out scot free from back in the day because things were just accepted. They were completely.

[Joe Budden]

Thank you.

[Julian]

That's.

[Rory Farrell]

They were completely wrong, for sure. It's not an excuse. I'm not saying it was the times.

[Julian]

It just people turned.

[Rory Farrell]

Turned a blind eye to a lot of it. We even hear stories now. Quincy Jones tells crazy stories about that time Puff was taking that he was getting away with in the 90s to 2020. Like, the type of arrogance you have to have going into that. So, yeah, do I think there's probably some Homeland Security plant or agents that were sent to Puff? But you are the most vulnerable target when you're already doing crimes. They don't need to, like, plant too much here. Yeah, that's like, that's where. That's where we have to find a middle ground with the conspiracy shit.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

Do I think he was probably a target? Sure. He has a lot of influence. He represents an entire culture. And from what we've seen publicly on the business side, he's been a great one. You're also committing crimes. You're so easy to plant an agent. Like, how much conspiracy do we really need here?

[Damaris]

And I'm not even. And I'm not even gonna. And not even mentioning, like, a lot of people were bringing up back to Karisha. A lot of people were bringing up things that she would tweet and things that her and Diddy would say. She's admitting this is not my man. He pays me every month. He's also peeing on me. You're admitting to being an escort, y'all. Are talking about, like, prostitution.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no, she's tricking.

[Damaris]

She's on interviews like this.

[Joe Budden]

She's on platforms saying that she's a whore.

[Rory Farrell]

She's the realest rapper. She lives rhymes more than any rapper we've ever seen.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, like she said, straight up. I'm a. She said that out of her mouth. So, you know, okay, cool. She, she, she's wearing it. She knows what she is. She's wearing that.

[Damaris]

But that's. But what I'm saying is it's illegal. Y'all are bragging. That's why when. When you say conspiracy and plants and all this, it's like the. In the arrogance Rory spoke to. Y'all are bragging about to me with.

[Rory Farrell]

A high paid lawyer. That's a very easy one. That was, that was crazier on the paperwork. Just because it said young Miami Name and $0.50 Baby Mother's name. It's very easy to clean up. Giving a woman a stipend per month, especially if it's a consistent amount.

[Joe Budden]

Like, I'm dating her. This is my girlfriend.

[Rory Farrell]

She could be a creative consultant. She's an artist. She's showing me the new way.

[Julian]

My muse.

[Rory Farrell]

Like, that's easy to.

[Joe Budden]

We know for a fact my Mona Lisa.

[Rory Farrell]

It was straight up prostitution.

[Damaris]

But not when you're very easy with.

[Rory Farrell]

A lawyer to just clean that up.

[Damaris]

But they're saying in the. If I'm not mistaken, in the paperwork that you're. She was in charge of recruiting other girls. That's where.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah.

[Julian]

Oh, she's a job recruiter. Yeah, she's a job creator. LinkedIn.

[Joe Budden]

She went to.

[Julian]

She is Diddy's LinkedIn.

[Joe Budden]

She went to job corps.

[Julian]

She's recruiting other toilet seats.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

So when. All right, a prostitution ring, when it is all consensual. Is there even, like, much jail time there, though? If I'm, If I'm hiring a bunch of sex workers that all. If they get caught, we'll be like, yeah, it was consensual. I'll take the plea for being a prostitute. You see the bank records, Whatever. Like, can you get that much time for that?

[Joe Budden]

It's not even about the jail time for me. This is about reputation, legacy. This is bigger than jail time. This is. This is Puff's legacy. This is his. His reputation. If he does 20 months in prison, he can never come back and be welcomed into the culture the way he was.

[Julian]

I don't think he'll be welcome back. Well, he shouldn't be welcome back.

[Rory Farrell]

High view of the culture and what they accept back in.

[Joe Budden]

That's. No, this is. This is not. This is. This is. This is what I'm saying. If any of this shit sticks, any of these allegations, and they, you know, investigate and find that, yes, they have charges to bring Diddy on and he ends up going to prison. He can't come back from this. It's over. But now Puff is in his 50s, you know, whatever. Like, he can go somewhere and just, you know, live out his life and just be the old guy that's just, you know, at one point was a mogul and he's still gonna have a lot of money. Sold all his shit.

[Julian]

He's still at the point where he can sail off into the sunset.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no, he's. He's not gonna be. We're not gonna see him panhandling. No, he want. It's not gonna go there. He just sold his shares of Revolt. Made a nice piece of, you know, made a nice piece of change from that.

[Julian]

And the liquor company Diageo paid him.

[Rory Farrell]

Almost a billion dollars in their relationship.

[Joe Budden]

This is what I'm saying. 60 million a year for seven, 16 years now.

[Rory Farrell]

Something like that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. You know, I mean, he. It's not about the money. Again, this is about his legacy, which, you know, depending on who you're talking to, is more important than your money. It's your legacy. It's your reputation. It's, you know, it's how people view you. And I think that this is what Puff stands and is losing at the moment. He's losing his. His legacy is being ruined. It's being tarnished. It'll never be looked at the same. But again, it's just an investigation. He's not under arrest yet. Homeland Security is investigating. They went through his house. Whatever they were looking for, I'm assuming they found it. They have it. They have possession of it. Whether it's videos of some high power people having sex. Whatever it is, TMZ will have it soon. Cause them get everything mall.

[Julian]

How do you feel about. We're looking also at a change in history. More history is being made as our hip hop vernacular has now shifted. It used to be no homo and then it was pause, and now it's no Diddy.

[Rory Farrell]

That's not gonna last.

[Julian]

You feel like you guys are losing your staying power.

[Joe Budden]

No, that's not.

[Julian]

Because you could, you know, pause was your shit.

[Joe Budden]

That's. That's just a moment.

[Julian]

I'm all in on no Diddy.

[Joe Budden]

Of course you are. But that's.

[Rory Farrell]

Pause has outlast lasted me Too. The entire gay rights movement.

[Julian]

Me too. No, just. You don't just say no. Me too.

[Rory Farrell]

People that are our hope. Like our homo. Say no homo in pause at this point.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, no, that's not. This is just very momentary. That's not.

[Julian]

No Diddy is fun.

[Rory Farrell]

It's just.

[Joe Budden]

I will, I will, I will.

[Rory Farrell]

It reminds me too much of no Diggity. Yeah, like, that I can't get into. Just reminds me too much of that Diggity.

[Julian]

They're calling him the Diddler.

[Rory Farrell]

The Diddler was.

[Julian]

I mean, these are. There's been some great.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no. Social media has been. They've been having.

[Rory Farrell]

Did he do it.

[Joe Budden]

A field day with this type of. With this type of shit.

[Rory Farrell]

And I'm not here to complain. Like, it is weird that we take absolutely nothing seriously on social media, but I enjoy it. Like, these are crazy crimes and we're just making memes, but I'm here to laugh at them.

[Joe Budden]

Well, people make memes in crazy times. I understand that.

[Rory Farrell]

If 50 still making memes while his baby mother is involved in the case.

[Joe Budden]

And I think we're all 5100% knew that girl was a sex worker.

[Rory Farrell]

I was going to ask you. You think he found out with the rest of us with that paperwork?

[Joe Budden]

No, he found out, which is why he's probably been going at puff as hard as he's been going. Yeah, but he didn't find out last night.

[Rory Farrell]

I love 50 because it did take a weird turn a few years ago. No, like, they always had back and forth funny jabs, but you could tell they were always still cool. They were competing in the liquor shit. Then it did take a strange fucking turn.

[Joe Budden]

Like, yeah, it's. It comes across as like, yo, what's up, man? Like. Cause you. You be on it soon as anything come out about this, dude, it's on your page. It's in your captions. Like, like, what's up, bro? And then now that this comes out, it's like, oh, okay.

[Rory Farrell]

But to me, all right, if I'm 50, I would be upset. Not for, like, emotional reasons per se, but, like, at that point, you're doing sex work for the sport. Like, I'm sure my child support covers your overhead, ma'am. Well, Roy, you have to go be a sex worker.

[Joe Budden]

You've ever heard of the term, you can't turn a hoe into a housewife?

[Rory Farrell]

Fair. No, I get that. I'm not saying that's real. I'm not saying he should have wifed her. But the point is to get Money, right. I'm sure 50 was giving her enough money where she didn't need to go be a sex worker.

[Joe Budden]

So did Ginger and Casino.

[Rory Farrell]

That's true. Yeah, for the sport. That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

Can't turn a hole into a housewife.

[Rory Farrell]

She's really into the lifestyle.

[Joe Budden]

People are who they are, and you got to let them be who they are. It is what it is. And, you know, if it's a consenting adult, it's a grown woman and that's the life she wants to live and that's what she wants to do, then, hey, that's on her to wear. You know what I mean? But, yeah, either way, I guess we gotta just wait and see what else comes out of this. But again, I'm just on the side of I think charges are coming. I think Puff will be placed under arrest. It's all about what comes out in the wash. What are we going to learn?

[Julian]

Do you think any of the other big fish will go down or will this all fall on Diddy?

[Joe Budden]

I mean, they have the power to make it all fall on Diddy. Yeah, because again, you know, we've seen tactical teams go in his house and raid and take shit. What did they take?

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah, it all falls on the evidence and what they're trying to either cover up or get out there.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, like what did they take? What did they.

[Rory Farrell]

Both scenarios. Puff is a downfall or puff walks.

[Damaris]

They were looking for laptops, phones, camera.

[Joe Budden]

And I think they found all of that.

[Rory Farrell]

Oh, for sure.

[Joe Budden]

I think they found all of that. I think they've gotten into the cloud and deleted all of that. Oh, yeah, this is. This is high level. We're not talking about a. That just got caught at a traffic stop with a gun in his car. No, this is high level. This is. These are that have the ability to delete your Social Security number. You never even roamed this earth. As far as they're concerned. This is that level.

[Rory Farrell]

So, Damaris, if young Miami offered you pink cocaine at a party in Miami, would you partake?

[Damaris]

Probably.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah, I probably would too.

[Damaris]

Yeah. If young Miami offered me anything, I would probably.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah, I wouldn't want to the vibe up.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Have you looked at young Miami and.

[Julian]

If you said no, they'd make you do it anyway?

[Rory Farrell]

True.

[Julian]

You don't really have a choice for the matter. You might as well pretend you have willpower.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah, I'd file paperwork on the little Rory instead. Outside of that, it's been a crazy week in hip hop. You think this has been a wild. What, 10 days? Not even.

[Damaris]

Not even, like, a week.

[Joe Budden]

Eight days, maybe. Yeah. A week.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

So a week ago today, at midnight.

[Joe Budden]

At the stroke of midnight. Come on, tell the story. Make it, like, suspenseful. Rory. Got it. Yeah. Rel. Lower these lights in this. Let's make it. Let's really make this a moment.

[Rory Farrell]

Midnight did not stroke me. It was just midnight.

[Joe Budden]

No, but the clock struck midnight. Right.

[Rory Farrell]

I have a digital clock, though, so.

[Joe Budden]

Like, it never struck.

[Rory Farrell]

It just changed.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

Nothing I miss.

[Joe Budden]

I miss when the clock used to strike.

[Rory Farrell]

When you, like, go off at midnight or noon or whatever.

[Joe Budden]

No, because I was in high school showing my age again. When I was in high school, we had, like, sundials. Like clocks like that. Well, sundials, too.

[Rory Farrell]

So did I.

[Joe Budden]

You had digital clocks.

[Rory Farrell]

No, we didn't.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Regular clocks.

[Damaris]

No, we had regular.

[Julian]

Regular clocks. Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

Even in college, we had regular clocks.

[Joe Budden]

Really?

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I thought you had digital clocks.

[Julian]

Well, just because they didn't update those rooms. But nobody. Nobody use them.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

I mean, we even had, like, chalkboards. Only some rooms had the cool marker boards. Yeah, that was when things really got crazy.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

Well, anyways, when the clock struck midnight.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

The future Metro boom and album. We don't trust you, you ass rappers drop.

[Julian]

I say something else that's weird that.

[Rory Farrell]

You would think that when he was.

[Julian]

Home alone, he got that in your mind.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, we don't trust you, ass.

[Rory Farrell]

That's what I said in my home.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Hell yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

Okay. I yelled that at my girl and my baby. Metro dropped, just grabbed Amara and screamed the N word in her face. Yeah. So, I mean, do we even need to give the full history of this? Like, at this point, it's a week old. Everyone knows Kendrick dissed Cole and Drake on the Metro and Future album.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

Since last Thursday, things have gotten even more interesting. Nav unfollowed Drake. Most important thing, we saw that Ross unfollowed Drake also was playing the like that Kendrick diss in his car.

[Joe Budden]

Ross is my. I love him. One of my favorites, but that was corny.

[Rory Farrell]

Go ahead, we'll get to that. Everyone did deep dives into other lyrics on the Future in Metro album. The intro in particular was saying Future was shooting at Drake over some girl. Just some other sex worker in Miami. Does that mean. Should I not put that on her?

[Julian]

Yo, why are you guys. Yeah, I'm saying, you guys. Why do you guys let horse up your whole thing? You guys are Damn near pushing 40. You're almost billionaires. You letting the. Your whole up.

[Rory Farrell]

Are you saying that a whore and.

[Damaris]

You don't know if she's a sex worker?

[Julian]

Woman. Same thing. Whatever.

[Damaris]

A stripper. She was a stripper.

[Rory Farrell]

I'm not calling.

[Joe Budden]

That's.

[Julian]

Come on.

[Joe Budden]

That's sex.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah, sex work was fine.

[Julian]

Just any woman. It could be Oprah. Like, why are you letting a woman come between your principal.

[Joe Budden]

It's never about the principal.

[Rory Farrell]

No, it's not.

[Joe Budden]

It's. And it's not. A woman is not the reason why this is happening. Yeah, this is not.

[Rory Farrell]

I think it's a part of it.

[Julian]

It's a big part for Future and Drake.

[Rory Farrell]

Let's look at Future and Drake's lyrics. I can easily see a woman dividing those two.

[Joe Budden]

This is not about a woman in between Future and Drake.

[Damaris]

Are you going to share with us what you think it's about?

[Joe Budden]

Allegedly, I just think it's literally. It goes back to Drake and Metro. This, Their. Their beef, their issue with each other. I think that.

[Julian]

Over a woman?

[Joe Budden]

No, no, it's not over a woman. I think that. I think that Future, Metro, obviously, you know, their family at this point, you know, that's his guy. And I just think that a line is drawn and Future is clear on what side he's on. And I do think the album with 21 Savage plays a big part in here somewhere too. So that was not sure where the.

[Rory Farrell]

Conspiracy I saw on the Internet. So, you know it's fake. Like absolutely Facts was. There's some beef between Future and 21's camps and there was some type of incident between two guys where a murder happened. And Future may have felt a way that Drake then and went and did an actual album with 21 Savage.

[Joe Budden]

Well, 21 and Metro are still very, very close.

[Rory Farrell]

Yes, but apparently that was what the Internet was saying was the nail in the coffin. I don't fucking know. I'm not from Atlanta. Either way. Damaris, you were saying?

[Damaris]

I was just saying, is there any way that, like, do you have any idea what it could possibly be about outside of them?

[Joe Budden]

I just. I just think this is. I do think a lot. Some of it. Some of it is personal. I'm not. I don't think it's woman, and I highly doubt it's a woman that is in between Drake and Future. I don't know that they would allow that to happen. I don't.

[Julian]

I will argue the other side of that.

[Joe Budden]

These women have too many women for that to be the issue. But I think that this is just one of those situations where, you know, the, The, The, The Top. The goddess that says has been on top for as long as he's been on top. This is. This is people testing it. This is. This is. This. This is people saying, y'all think you're good, but I don't think you're that good.

[Rory Farrell]

Okay, I can see that with, say, Kendrick, of course they've been sending subs at each other back and forth, but I can definitely see Kendrick saying, all right, we're this far into our careers. Let's see who's the best. For real. Let's not have any more debate. I think that's healthy competition. With the relationship we know Drake had with Future and has had with Ross, I'd like to know why everyone is now taking Metro's side. Something had to have happened. There's no way. Ross, who they were supposed to do a joint project with, have collaborated for 15 years. Probably my two favorite collaborators in the last 15 years when they do records together. It's undeniable.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

With no bit of information, Ross all of a sudden is vibing to Kendrick Lamar like that in his car and Drake is inviting his ex girlfriend to the show. And like, yeah, I want to know what Drake did. Why is everyone now forming against him?

[Joe Budden]

I think this is. Again, this just feels like it's a elbow room. Like, yo, I need. Nah, I need that spot, though. You had that long enough, like, out of here. Like, I don't think you that dope. I don't think you. You that tough. I don't think you that. I think it's. It's a lot of that now.

[Rory Farrell]

Ross is admittedly in more towards the end of his music career. He's clearly said he's moving on to other ventures. Music is not his main focus.

[Julian]

The farm.

[Rory Farrell]

I can't see Ross now being like, I'm not going to be friends with somebody I've collaborated with for years for competition reasons.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no, I'm not saying. I'm not saying that for Ross. I'm saying as far as just like the whole future.

[Rory Farrell]

No, I think it's something extremely personal. I think the woman that people are talking about has something to do with a long list of other shit.

[Joe Budden]

Well, she.

[Rory Farrell]

I think when things were where things were a little questionable in their relationship as friends, somebody went and fucked somebody. It would have been cool if y'all was friends, but now it looks like you went and that girl.

[Joe Budden]

Well, I'm not, I'm not. Listen, I don't know about something. I don't know that girl, but she did, you know, Go on her IG live. And she spoke and she said, this.

[Rory Farrell]

Has a whole bunch of nothing.

[Joe Budden]

This has nothing to do with me. Like, so, you know, like she has a boyfriend and, you know, it doesn't matter. I mean, could possibly not matter. I just don't think that this is about a woman.

[Julian]

The two of them gave at least a hint in some regard on the lyrics about, you know, it's the same shit with the pillow talking. You're talking crazy about my name with this girl that we're both sleeping with. It's all that it's petty.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but I don't. I don't see that. I mean, all of these dudes. Pillow talk.

[Julian]

I think all this is wrestling.

[Damaris]

I think it's all.

[Julian]

I think a lot of this is a show.

[Joe Budden]

I will say the Kendrick thing.

[Julian]

The Kendrick thing. Firm that I can't. I know it is. I can't get too far into it, but I know it is.

[Rory Farrell]

I think there is a lot of sucks.

[Julian]

I can't.

[Rory Farrell]

I think there's a lot of wrestling between Kendrick and Cole. I think they probably have an amazing relationship and are super cool and this is a sport thing for them.

[Julian]

Yes.

[Rory Farrell]

I think there is a bit of animosity between Drake and Kendrick. That's not all friendly competition. I think the future Ross Metro Drake thing is all fucking personal and there's some real shit behind the scenes between them. I think it's a mixed bag and I think it's. It's interesting timing too.

[Joe Budden]

I think it's. Well, first, let me say this because I do. We spoke on the.

[Julian]

The Twitter spaces about which is available on YouTube. Three hours of content, which, by the way, get off our date.

[Rory Farrell]

Please listen to it because it is great. I didn't realize how much of our listeners were like part of tde. There was people that have been like, supporters that I've appreciated all the hours they've listened to this podcast in the comments, like, listen, I love this podcast. I buy merch, I go to shows. But the fact that Rory likes Drake, I don't think I could ever listen to this podcast again.

[Joe Budden]

You know, the weirdos out there.

[Rory Farrell]

But like, what the.

[Joe Budden]

I spoke to. We talked about the record and Drama asked me did I think the record was gonna go? And I was like, nah, I don't think so. I think, you know, people are kind of move on quick from it. I quickly text Drama Sunday afternoon around 1 o'clock and was like, I was wrong. I apologize.

[Rory Farrell]

That record is hard.

[Joe Budden]

This record is gonna be every but See, like I told Drama, I was caught up on just Kendrick's lyrics and what he was saying. I didn't allow myself to listen, get into the groove of just the music. Fuck what they saying on it. Just the music, the way it moves, the energy. And I was like, okay. I said, no, the music is there. And then I started listening to the cadence and the melody that Future had.

[Julian]

And this shit got off on that.

[Joe Budden]

It's like, oh, no, this is. This is. They gonna shake ass to this.

[Damaris]

Is it giving back to back in the club?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it's giving back to back in the club.

[Rory Farrell]

Absolutely is.

[Damaris]

Yeah. I caught myself shaking ass to it, like, naturally, like, not even knowing what I was listening to.

[Joe Budden]

And I was like, oh, damn, it's gonna go. That record is gonna go. So I. I, you know, I apologize. I text Drama and he was like, you're a good man. He said he was so surprised to hear me say that it wouldn't go. He was like, because, yo, that club was made. That. That record was made for the club. Yeah. What Kendrick is saying on. And who he's going at this. The music.

[Julian]

The best part of the song is not Kendrick's verse.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. No. Now what Kendrick did do to really.

[Rory Farrell]

Well there, what he added to, it's not gonna fuck up the vibe at the club.

[Joe Budden]

No. Yeah, no, he added. He added. He added that performative energy. If you out, you can kind lyric because you know, everybody think they got a hop. You know, everybody in the club and.

[Rory Farrell]

Everyone can go, ah, yeah, exact.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't like that. But everybody could do that. That was crazy. But that's what the dj, he had.

[Rory Farrell]

Reverb on his voice. All right.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. So the record is we're not gonna. I think that'll be one of the biggest songs of the summer.

[Rory Farrell]

It'd probably be song of Summer.

[Joe Budden]

I still have Fisher up there with Cash Cobain as being song of the Summer, but this is definitely content.

[Damaris]

I heard Fisher out in Turks.

[Joe Budden]

I know you did. You're gonna hear Fisher everywhere.

[Julian]

I was hanging with. I sent you the video. I was hanging with Boz over the weekend, and we were at my apartment, you know, same 5:00am post night hang sesh. And he goes, this is gonna be the song in the summer. And it was that he played that damn song.

[Joe Budden]

I'm trying to tell y'all, man, just the energy. It's the vibe. But back to this Drake shit. So I was. I was talking to somebody because we were trying to figure out, like, what is. What is this? What's happening. What's going on? Why now? What's going on with this? And he gave me a very interesting story which probably is applicable to situations I've been in. Situations you've been in, Rory. I think we've all been in these type of situations. He said. He said he was talking to this guy that is like a wolf trainer, right? Yeah, he's like. He trains wolves or whatever.

[Damaris]

So random.

[Joe Budden]

Real, real story.

[Rory Farrell]

I just want, like, get into that.

[Julian]

Who are you talking to? Joe Rogan?

[Joe Budden]

Because we were trying to. We were trying to figure out what's. What's going on. Like, what's happening with this shit, right? Like, what's going on? Like, this is. Because this is not. This is. This. This is the best of our gen, this generation getting ready to collide. Like, this is that making us.

[Rory Farrell]

From all the dogs reference now with the wolf trainer. Did you speak to Kendrick Lamar? Is that the guy?

[Joe Budden]

No, not that. So he said he was talking to a guy that trains wolves. And he was like, yeah, he was thinking about buying some property. So he asked him. He said, yo, for his wolves, what would I do? What would I do if I'm like, in the. In the woods on my property one night and I, like, I spot a wolf? Like, I see a wolf, like, what should I do? Like, what would I. How can I make it out of that situation without being harmed?

[Rory Farrell]

Like, go inside.

[Julian]

Say you're Team Jacob.

[Joe Budden]

So the dude. That's funny. The dude said, thank you. He said. He said, well, if you happen to spot a wolf or lock eyes with a wolf at night, and, you know, you can probably can't see the body, but you can see the wolf's eyes. You know, the eyes illuminate in the darkness. He said, if you lock odds with a wolf, he said, either that's. You're experiencing one of the rarest occurrences, and a wolf has veered off from his pack and is traveling at night by itself, which is something that rarely ever happens.

[Rory Farrell]

And Kendrick did just leave his pack.

[Joe Budden]

Or. Or you're only seeing a wolf that made his self want to be seen to you, and you're surrounded by nine others, and you just don't know where they're at.

[Rory Farrell]

Ooh, okay.

[Joe Budden]

So I thought about that, and this was Friday or Saturday night, Friday night. And I'm like, damn. Like, that's. So that fits this. Because now you got. Kendrick jumped out there, right? Obviously. But then now it's niggas is unfollowing Drake. We don't know what's happening. And this guy, it's on his album.

[Rory Farrell]

It's like everyone can now express the feelings that they've been trying to express for quite some time.

[Joe Budden]

It's like, oh, you niggas have. You niggas have had me and your targets for a while now.

[Julian]

But he's had to.

[Damaris]

You mother.

[Rory Farrell]

But Drake's been rapping about that for the last four albums that he's felt like this was happening.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And I said. I said, damn. Like, that is. So one person jumped out there, and you. It's like, okay, before I make a move, I need to understand that I may be surrounded, but look at the.

[Julian]

Wolf that it took to make that move. The big dog.

[Damaris]

Nigga, boom, boom.

[Joe Budden]

Now, what I take from that is because this goes back to the conversation we had on Spaces about everybody wanting Drake to.

[Rory Farrell]

Is that supposed to be Drake?

[Julian]

Drake is the L. I don't know.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know what this is.

[Julian]

That's Kendrick. No, that's Kendrick.

[Rory Farrell]

That's Ross.

[Julian]

That's Ross. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I don't know. Which. I don't know. What? What, Julie?

[Julian]

Well, I wanted to. I just wanted to see. Wolves are pretty majestic if you're looking at them from afar.

[Rory Farrell]

That was pretty gay.

[Joe Budden]

So. So now we're here, where all of these people are following Drake, posting videos, listening to the verse, and this down the third. Whatever. So this speaks back to when I was saying, because everybody's like, nah, fuck that. Drake got to respond right now. I'm like, does he? Now, let's be clear. Kendrick got off on that verse. Still didn't say Drake's name.

[Rory Farrell]

Oh, please.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, please, just listen. Yaka do, please, but just listen. He didn't say his name.

[Julian]

Oh, come on, Ma.

[Joe Budden]

Now, the difference. The difference is the difference in him and the Pusha thing was Pusha was coming for blood. He mentioned that man's family. He mentioned, like, Pusha went right at it. What Kendrick did was kind of sort of like, okay, big three, you know, Mike Princely outlived Mike Jack.

[Rory Farrell]

He had seven dog entendres at the.

[Julian]

End for all the dogs.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but that's still. But that's.

[Rory Farrell]

If you say my album title, you're talking to me.

[Joe Budden]

Hold on. But that's. Did he. Is that still any way comparable to what Pusha did?

[Damaris]

Okay, well, hold on. No, no, no.

[Rory Farrell]

Actually, this is way worse.

[Damaris]

Way worse than what Pusha did in.

[Joe Budden]

His original talk about his kid bro.

[Julian]

In the first regional infrared.

[Rory Farrell]

Infrared. All he said was it was written by Quentin. And then Drake jumped out the window, which is fine because Push had been shooting for a while. He said one, actually, which I think when it comes to Push's standard of rapping, was a very weak bar on Push's behalf. And then Drake jumped out the window with the duppy, said he'd make it ring on him like Virginia Williams said his wife's name. And then Push jumped out. This is weak compared to what Kendrick did.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think Drake.

[Rory Farrell]

If Drake is replying to all this other shit, he's replying to tweets and.

[Joe Budden]

And not only reply to this. And not only. And. And not only that. And not only that. The Pusha shit was more personal from the gate anyway.

[Rory Farrell]

Facts. I agree. I agree.

[Joe Budden]

Kendrick, shit, this is sport. This is. This has to do.

[Julian]

Yeah. This has to do with music.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, Kendrick, this is sport. The pusher shit was personal. But now people want Drake to jump out there immediately, and it's like, yeah, first of all. First of all, he's on tour. Let's just start there. A nigga a ain't going and writing a diss record and jumping in the booth while he's in the middle of the tour. That's not happening. When we got Takeover, we didn't get Ether for three months, so it's like, more than that.

[Rory Farrell]

Might have been, like nine months.

[Joe Budden]

So. Yeah, well, however long it was, it wasn't no right. Next 48 hours, we didn't get that.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but it was a different time.

[Joe Budden]

It ain't. He's on tour.

[Rory Farrell]

It was a different time.

[Joe Budden]

You want this to jump into a battle while he's on tour, and then. And then if you get his ass.

[Rory Farrell]

Lit up, finish the album on tour.

[Joe Budden]

But listen, the album is different. You know that.

[Rory Farrell]

It's harder.

[Joe Budden]

No, when you got to get in battle mode, Rory, that's harder as a. That's a megastar to get into battle mode to go at somebody. It's a whole different. That's a whole different zone. You got to be.

[Damaris]

Not gonna act like drake don't got 50 Kendrick bars in the back of his brain, because that's the way that Drake operates.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. All right, so if you think. All right, so let's just play devil's advocate. If you're. If you're drake, you got 50 Kendrick bars ready to go, Right? How many. How many Drake bars you think Kendrick got when Kendrick has had more time for you to sit down and he's not been on the roll? Drake has did two tours in the last year and a half, three and a Half albums through however many albums.

[Damaris]

I think they both have. Nine years of. Nine, ten years of fucking dis.

[Joe Budden]

I'm just saying, as of, as of recently, Kendrick has not been as busy as Drake. Correct.

[Damaris]

He has not.

[Joe Budden]

So which means. Which means he would probably have more time to prep for a battle.

[Rory Farrell]

Sure. Oh, we know this was strategic.

[Joe Budden]

So I'm telling you, I'm telling you I can understand why Drake isn't going to respond as fast as people want him to because this is a whole different zone that he has to get into. Foy, this is Kendrick Lamar. We talking about Lamar. Anybody else that Drake has had words with and has gotten into it with? I don't think any of those dudes is on Kendrick level.

[Julian]

No. So push is not.

[Joe Budden]

So if you want to. If you want to. If you want to battle and you want it to go.

[Rory Farrell]

Good opponent though, who pushes a viable, formidable opponent. And at the time, even though we. Even though we want to rewrite history.

[Joe Budden]

Push a rap like Kendrick at that.

[Julian]

Time, like Kendrick or what's your rap.

[Joe Budden]

As good as Kendrick?

[Rory Farrell]

Probably not, no.

[Joe Budden]

Does Meek rap as good as Kendrick?

[Rory Farrell]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Has Meek ever rapped as good as Kendrick?

[Rory Farrell]

No.

[Joe Budden]

So is my statement correct in saying that this is the most deadliest rapper right there opponent that Drake will ever stand in front of? Well, right now that he will stand in front of.

[Rory Farrell]

Yes, you're correct.

[Joe Budden]

All right then. So back to what I was saying.

[Rory Farrell]

Wait, but I'm not.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not saying you disagreeing, but you may. You was like, man, no.

[Rory Farrell]

Just to say out of note, like he hasn't battled anyone that has.

[Joe Budden]

I said this would be his toughest opponent is what I said.

[Rory Farrell]

Okay, I'm sorry. I misunderstood.

[Joe Budden]

Like he had so to prepare for. Had any tough opponent prepare for your toughest opponent. That takes a different type of preparation.

[Rory Farrell]

Sure.

[Joe Budden]

You want this dude to prep for that while he is still on the road doing the tour.

[Rory Farrell]

I think two things can be true. I get Drake's perspective right now of taking time because knowing Kendrick, he already has a full plan down to the last hour day of how he is going to go about this battle. He jumped out the window at the exact time he wanted to because he's prepared and ready to go. Drake has to look at that and be like, all right, I can't jump out the window right now because I know Kendrick is sitting with a clip ready to go.

[Joe Budden]

Absolutely.

[Rory Farrell]

And he's been planning this for months.

[Joe Budden]

Absolutely.

[Rory Farrell]

I'm just figuring out the same time everyone else did. I don't know if that's a full excuse, though, just to throw that. And I think that's why Kendrick was so smart in the way he did it. I'm gonna do it while he's on tour. It'll put the pressure on him. He's replied quick to everybody and then did the back to back shit. It's been fucking seven days. Where y'all at? We know Drake to reply extremely quickly. I think he replied to push within six hours. We know Drake to do that. He's gonna look crazy if he takes three months to do it. It's a good move by Kendrick.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think so.

[Rory Farrell]

And as a fan, I don't think any of us care that he's on tour. Fans don't give a about the stuff you're talking about. You're talking about real facts.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but the fans don't.

[Rory Farrell]

We know that Kendrick. That's why Drake finally direct after they've been going back and forth for a decade. But this is why finally he did it. So, Drake, you've been shooting at Megan for the last year, but now you're gonna be quiet.

[Joe Budden]

But this is why you're quiet. This is. But this is why he is who he is and he's at where he's at because he's very calculated.

[Rory Farrell]

Sure.

[Joe Budden]

He moves when he wants to move. So if you're saying, okay, I'm going to battle one of the deadliest pins in hip hop that's prepared, that has been prepared for this. I didn't know this was coming. I didn't know he was going to do this. Right now I'm on fucking tour with J. Cole and fucking Wayne. Like, I didn't. My focus is here now. What I will say is, oh, Drake is going to respond, oh, yeah. What I thought would have been lovely or would have been crazy is if he had at his disposal red button right now. Because to me, red button right now drops. That's. That's one size fits all. That's addressing all these. Y'all following me. You acting funny. This. Acting funny. Now, red button is that's. That's applicable to whoever want to feel like it's about them. That's one size. I'm talking to all you niggas.

[Rory Farrell]

But that's good. That was good at the time.

[Joe Budden]

No, I'm just.

[Rory Farrell]

I'm not saying after direct shots you gotta come down.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not saying that's a. I'm not saying that's a. That's a. That's worthy of a response. I'm just saying if he just had that to just drop that was already recorded while I'm on the road. Let me drop that. And then once this tour's done, I get into battle mode and go at Kendrick. I think that that's a beautiful. A beautiful transition.

[Rory Farrell]

Before we get to Cole, I will ask if Drake does reply in, let's say, three months. And it's not a com like a direct shot. The way Duppy freestyle was, the way back to back was. And just gives us a song. And there's eight bars that have to do with Kendrick and says, like, your DNA isn't humble or just something that's just like, what? This isn't even worth it. Is that an L to Drake?

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

If he only has eight bars.

[Rory Farrell]

If it's a real. Like, if it's a song, just a song that he puts out and happens to shoot.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

Kendrick.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but a little bit. Yeah, but that's. I don't. I don't see that happening. I understand what you're saying, but no, if. If to your. To your question, if that's the response, then that's a loss.

[Rory Farrell]

I agree.

[Joe Budden]

He has to. He has to. And this is. And this is why what I'm saying is valid, because I'm telling. He has to turn it to somebody else. He. This is not Drake songwriting ability. Drake, pop megastar Drake. 17 billion streams. All my. All my projects have over a billion. This is not this.

[Rory Farrell]

That shit don't matter at all of that in this arena at all.

[Joe Budden]

That's why I'm saying he can't respond right now while he's on tour, because what this is. This is a whole different. Drake has to go into a whole different mindset. He has to become a whole. His energy has to change. He has to be a whole different person for this battle because this is we. We know Kendrick has three or four ready for sure. So now Drake has to put himself in a position to where he has four, five, and six ready.

[Rory Farrell]

I agree. He can't just record one, put it out.

[Joe Budden]

He can't do that. And him being on the road and him being on.

[Rory Farrell]

Can't play his hand too quick.

[Joe Budden]

He can't do that right now.

[Rory Farrell]

I'm not mad that it's been seven days and he hasn't replied. I want to make that very clear. I just don't think we can go another two weeks.

[Julian]

Yeah, we're still waiting for Jesus to come.

[Joe Budden]

Last show, April 5th, I believe.

[Julian]

I have no idea.

[Joe Budden]

But I mean, the Last show is April 5th.

[Rory Farrell]

I believe he was in, what, Fort Lauderdale for, like, two shows with Wayne. I think maybe made one comment and then obviously put up that caption that was at everybody April 16th. That felt, you know, either at that point.

[Julian]

No, those are all canceled shows. Sorry, Rory. April 5th is the last show. These remaining ones are canceled dates.

[Joe Budden]

April 5th is the last show. I say we probably get a response.

[Julian]

Oh, there makeup dates, it looks like. Okay, April's when he's done.

[Joe Budden]

So he's done mid April. He's done with. With the tour.

[Rory Farrell]

He's had how many days off between Fort Lauderdale and Long Island? A week? Yeah, that's time. I'm not. I'm not mad at him coming out after April 5th. I don't think that's an L at all. But it can't go past that.

[Joe Budden]

It can't go past April 5th. Why? We just said his tour is over April 5th. What are you talking about?

[Rory Farrell]

He's got a whole week in between.

[Joe Budden]

Bro, y'all not understanding what this is. Bro, y'all just want to be into entertained, and I get it.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah, but the thing is not gonna.

[Joe Budden]

Entertain y'all at the expense of him being embarrassed in a battle. She's not doing that. So all you calm your lawns because you're only gonna listen to the battle for three days. If you get his head smoked, y'all gonna be like, oh, then he should have took his time then why he put it up? Yeah, like, the fans are crazy. Like, you mad at somebody for taking his time to tailor some for a battle. But then if he responds too quick and loses and says, damn, but I was on tour. I'm like, well, you should have waited till you got off tour then.

[Damaris]

Okay, so in your.

[Rory Farrell]

Exactly.

[Damaris]

In your opinion, we' I'm not giving you three. Three months. Seven months. In your opinion, what is a reasonable time frame for him to release this and it not take away from the value of the disc? What is a reasonable time frame?

[Joe Budden]

As long as we get it by the summer.

[Rory Farrell]

The summer?

[Julian]

The summer, yeah. You're giving them from March 22.

[Joe Budden]

He said as long as we get it by the summer June, I'm cool.

[Damaris]

So three months? Like, did not just say. Don't say three months.

[Julian]

Well, that's his timeline.

[Joe Budden]

That's my timeline. Why I can't say three months? What's wrong with three months?

[Julian]

Like I said, to Mall's point, timeline or not, whenever the Drake drops, it's going to have the effect that, like, it doesn't matter when he doesn't just.

[Joe Budden]

Want to be bro. People just want to be entertained now.

[Julian]

Because we're used to getting everything now.

[Joe Budden]

And that's okay. And what I'm telling you is it's not Amazon. This is not. This is not just for entertainment.

[Rory Farrell]

It's legacy. I understand this, this.

[Joe Budden]

This right here, this Drake, Kendrick shit, this cold Kendrick shit, this is not just for entertainment. Yes, it's going to be entertaining because these are the best of their time. These are the best of their generations. But this ain't just. These dudes ain't sitting in their respective corners thinking like, oh, this is just going to be fun.

[Damaris]

This call, bro.

[Joe Budden]

Legacies is on the line. When is out on that ladder is on the line. It's a lot. This ain't just no yo. Throw a shot at me and I'm gonna throw one back. And then, you know, throw one at me, then I'm gonna throw one back. This is like, no, I'm ready to take your head off.

[Rory Farrell]

The only thing in the strategic part, because again, I'm speaking from the fan perspective, what I'm saying. So, yeah, we want to be entertained. We want this quick. We live in an era where things happen back to back to back.

[Julian]

No pun.

[Rory Farrell]

The fact that this record may be song of the Summer changes things because I think Drake could have a great strategy of not replying for a while to prove to everyone how much that Metro album and the future shots didn't mean shit. Fucking Ross playing that shit in his car. The Kendrick verse, like, it came and went. Look, just like control. It came and went. That could be a strategy. I don't think that's going to work. When this song is not going to leave the charts. We're going to hear this everywhere. That's where I don't think Drake, from a strategy standpoint, can sit there and play the I'll reply when I want to game. When. Anytime we walk outside in any setting, all of us are listening to this song.

[Damaris]

If the strippers are dancing to this, Drake going to take his ass to.

[Rory Farrell]

He had. He had a point with Story of Adidon. Anytime that gets brought up, he's like, when was the last time you listened to it? Like that. Cop out. Which is. He's right. We don't listen to that song. But it wasn't made for that. It was a reply in a battle. This is a joint that's never. This is Drake's strategy being used against him. That's where Meek looked insane. It was like, bro, back to back's not Going anywhere. You have to reply now. That's what I'm saying. Why he has to hurry up? He can't wait three months. This song is going to peak in the next two to three weeks and will not stop for the rest of the summer.

[Joe Budden]

But you know what's. And it's like Julian just said, speaking to. You know, because again, we got to look at all angles of this. If Drake drops a song, let's say he drops the EP right now, six songs. This removes all of this shit from his shit becomes number one immediately. Like this future album, I believe debuted at number one this week.

[Rory Farrell]

I did great numbers thanks to this.

[Joe Budden]

The album is okay.

[Rory Farrell]

I'm just saying. No, it's a couple different.

[Joe Budden]

I don't think that is. But do we think. Is it safe to say that it did great numbers because of that record?

[Julian]

Because of that very first week?

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

So still, somehow in a way this is attached to Drake. That just speaks to his influence and his power.

[Damaris]

Of course. But we ain't talking about influence and power. I don't think that's just.

[Joe Budden]

No, listen what I'm saying though. Listen to what I'm saying. If he decides to go that route and speak to that. This is what I'm saying. All of this is just giving Drake the room to write and prepare for whatever. However, he's coming back. Because even though you having the number one song and the number one album debuted at number one, that shit is still heavily attached to me.

[Rory Farrell]

He did that with Push and it didn't really work. He ended the Duppy freestyle with we'll send you an invoice for selling another 20 for you or whatever. And then even tried to play the meme game again like he did with Meek and posted on his Instagram and invoice to good music.

[Joe Budden]

Whatever.

[Rory Farrell]

The. That backfired pretty quickly.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, but this is. This is a. All of that I'm talking about. This album is number one debut number one. This song is number one right now.

[Rory Farrell]

I just don't.

[Joe Budden]

This is heavily.

[Rory Farrell]

Even though that's a fact. You are correct. I just don't know how much weight that holds in a reply record of. He's like, yo, I made your. Your album go number one. Like, okay, yeah, that holds weight.

[Joe Budden]

We're talking about. Yeah, but if it's rapid you mention.

[Rory Farrell]

Me, it's got to be raps correctly.

[Damaris]

But you gotta understand it's not a Kendrick's album.

[Julian]

Is you're playing the future. Is he applying to Kendrick?

[Rory Farrell]

He's replying them Metro.

[Joe Budden]

What I'm saying, everybody that's acting funny right now, everybody that's got some to say, he is going at all of these.

[Rory Farrell]

He's gonna make a thanos reference. There's no way he's not going to do the thanos with all four, five of them.

[Joe Budden]

What do you think? I said, what is he preparing for? It's not just Kendrick, bro. He's. All of these are showing their hand right now. Like, oh, you feel some type of way towards me too?

[Damaris]

Okay, so you. But.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you too. Like, oh, y'all like, okay.

[Damaris]

Our conversation was specifically about responding and getting into a battle of words with Kendrick, because I'm not giving you three months to reply to Future and Rick Ross.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but why y'all.

[Rory Farrell]

I don't even care.

[Joe Budden]

But why y'all ain't saying he got a resp like that. Cole gotta respond right now.

[Rory Farrell]

No, we were gonna get to him next.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not hearing Cole. Cole's name is not ringing. I didn't hear Jermaine's name one time.

[Rory Farrell]

I was just about to say. So what the Is J. Cole's excuse?

[Joe Budden]

He's not on door about to say. I was just.

[Rory Farrell]

It's Jermaine. Cole's excuse. He's back in North Carolina.

[Damaris]

Are you giving Jay, pull up the list. I said, how long are you giving J. Cole to respond? And Rory said, I'm up to that and let you finish.

[Joe Budden]

For the topics. The list for the topics, literally.

[Julian]

No, you're saying J. Cole's. Cole's name's on here. Don't do that.

[Joe Budden]

I just wanted to see where he was at. That's all. Just wanted to see where he was at. Because that. To me, that's the. That need to be talking about how.

[Rory Farrell]

Yes and no. Yes.

[Joe Budden]

You should have had something out if. If Drake needed to respond already. What the. Cole needed to do.

[Rory Farrell]

They've been passive aggressively going at each other for a whole decade. Kendrick and Drake. Cole just got caught up in that. Big three.

[Julian]

Chose a sign.

[Rory Farrell]

I'm not saying the document.

[Joe Budden]

Cole started that Big Three shit. No, he did.

[Damaris]

We started.

[Julian]

Fans started that.

[Damaris]

Cole didn't start that.

[Joe Budden]

Don't put me in the weed. Because I never. I never.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah, I refer to them as the big Three.

[Damaris]

For how do you pull the tapes? I always have of this podcast.

[Joe Budden]

I never.

[Julian]

You better came Big three. Since Roy's couch.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, I started that Big three.

[Damaris]

The fans.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, so I said I was not one of the fans that started that. Y'all keep talking about. Pull the what tapes? I didn't start that.

[Rory Farrell]

Either way. We all referred, except for you, to them as the big three. And then Cole, who pays attention to the Internet, put it in a verse. So it got solidified and then Kendrick used it in a verse. Man, listen, I'm saying Cole needs to reply, but it's more competition than not to respond.

[Damaris]

I just asked you that 14 times. How much time does Cole have?

[Julian]

You got to fill up the air and his tires on his bike or some first.

[Damaris]

I don't know. First of all, let's not.

[Joe Budden]

Cole gotta respond. He gotta respond by. Cole is going to respond.

[Damaris]

Just got off tour.

[Joe Budden]

I said Cole got to respond by now, next week.

[Rory Farrell]

Sure, I agree.

[Julian]

Cole will respond.

[Damaris]

Why Cole got to respond by next week. But cuz Drake is still on tour.

[Joe Budden]

Until the middle of April.

[Damaris]

Said he got from April to the summer. So why the Drake get three months.

[Joe Budden]

And Cole got to respond in two weeks? Because Cole is only responding to Kendrick. Drake is responding to all of these that are acting funny and picking aside, drawing the line in the sand and obviously picking aside.

[Damaris]

So the extra.

[Rory Farrell]

He's on Drake's side. So they're. He's against all of them too.

[Damaris]

So the extra eight weeks that you're giving Drake is now not for the Kendrick, it's for Future in them.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, Drake is. He's. He's responding to all these.

[Julian]

He's responding to rap.

[Joe Budden]

This ain't, this ain't gonna be just for Kendrick. Kendrick is gonna be a part of it 1000%. But it's gonna be other. That's, that's, that's. It's like a bundle package. It's gonna be a lot of Other that's bundled into that, into those records as well. Because it's gonna be more than one.

[Rory Farrell]

Record actually gonna be Future more than anybody, to be honest.

[Joe Budden]

You said what?

[Rory Farrell]

I think Future will be the focus of Drake's reply. I think the same way he was replying to Push it, but only focused on Kanye. I think he's gonna say a few words about Kendrick some light and then go in on it.

[Julian]

Well, his last album was all about future. He's been talking about Future. We just didn't know that.

[Rory Farrell]

They're messier and more entertaining though, because they. The same women, their friends.

[Joe Budden]

Like on what album was he talking.

[Damaris]

About Future People been screenshot, old lyrics and like I don't subscribe the bonus record.

[Julian]

And some of the records from the actual album are about Future. But fans, we didn't know that that relationship was this fractured, I think. And I spoke a lot this weekend about it. I think Drake's going to talk most about Future because that the. The hip hop shit's hip hop. With Kendrick, it's for sport. It's the wrestling analogy with Future that was personal.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah.

[Julian]

And I think Drake feels embarrassed because over the course of Drake's career, he's constantly put people in positions to win. He's off. He's constantly put people to take their career to the next level. He put it. He stuck his neck out there for Future, took him on this tour, they did the tape together. And now that seems to be gone. And I feel like Drake is tired of being used. He's historically been used by a lot of artists.

[Damaris]

He's also historically.

[Rory Farrell]

Someone say he was a lot of artists.

[Julian]

It's. I think it goes both ways. But he's always been Position A. And I feel like he's just. He's tired of this fucking cyclical bullshit and he can't trust anymore.

[Joe Budden]

This is just a Nick. This is just a product of you being too hot for too long and niggas wanting to see you.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah, I mean, of course, that's all this.

[Joe Budden]

But also been on top for 17, 16 years. 17 years almost.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

You got 17 projects, all of them over a billion streams. Like these are somebody sitting in the studio like, man, that nigga ain't. He ain't tough as me. He ain't from the streets like me. Niggas is talking like that. So they gonna feel away about this nigga's success. I think now people are just starting to just show it.

[Damaris]

Yeah, for sure. It's hate, for sure.

[Rory Farrell]

I just think that the Future applied. I think Drake has the battle scars of trying to really rap on Duppy Freestyle and then being beaten in that battle based off Gossip. And I think he has plenty of gossip about Future Hendrix. He knows what works in this era now because he. He lost to Gossip. I mean, Push still rap, don't get me wrong. Push is pushed. But he lost the gossip.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

And lost because he didn't reply. But he really tried to rap on Dubby and I appreciate him for it. I don't think he's going to go that route now. I think he's going to go the messy route and he's going to expose Future for millions of fucking things and he's going to throw a few shots at Kendrick. Cole, on the other hand, I have no idea how he's going to approach this.

[Joe Budden]

That's who I'm most interested to See, respond. Because we've never seen the Cole and.

[Julian]

Kendrick thing is just for sport.

[Rory Farrell]

So is what line can you and can you not cross if we're just doing this for sport? If that's my friend or at least my associate and we've both agreed that this is just some back and forth fun for hip hop and for the culture. Can I really give a good battle if I have to hold back? We all, we all know both of them can rap really well. And would I be mad if just both of them rapped more and rapped back and forth? Sure. But that's not really what dictates a rap battle. Now you guys are just. But with rapping.

[Julian]

But with Cole and Kendrick, Kendrick, like, yeah, Kendrick dragged Cole into it with that verse. But he really didn't say shit about Cole. No, he didn't. So, like, I get it. He has to respond. But he really didn't do anything to Cole in that verse.

[Damaris]

When it comes to the whole wrestling and first sport thing, yes, all these people can go and can tell us and they can tell their camps and they can tell all these people always just for sport. And behind the scenes, we're all really cool. But all of these niggas have egos and they all really do think that they're the best. So there's no. Just like, oh, but you could think.

[Joe Budden]

You'Re the best, but if I got 17 billion streams, I am the best.

[Rory Farrell]

I don't know, man. Ovio. Mall mall mall cool.

[Damaris]

Jason, is Taylor Swift better than battle ensued?

[Joe Budden]

It depends on who you ask. But if Taylor Swift walked in the room and said she's the greatest artist.

[Julian]

In the world right now, I mean, she is.

[Joe Budden]

Who would. You could frown at it. You could argue it if you want. It's gonna be a tough argument.

[Julian]

There's two. Well, because now you're. You're scoffing at either. If you're focusing on analytics and then you're bringing in the emotional personal preference.

[Rory Farrell]

That's the difference between hip hop and every other genre. It's hard to argue. We can all feel that Beyonce is the better artist than Taylor Swift. But when you get down to it, Mike versus Prince. People could say they like Prince Moore, but look what Mike did. Numbers wise, he's the biggest Taylor right now. Biggest artist in the world, Hip hop. Even though we care about numbers, we still have this battle. There is no battle between Taylor and Beyonce. Aren't going to put records back and forth to each other. The accolade disappears in a battle that's why you get someone like a Pusha T to battle Drake, the biggest artist in the world, where most of the world is going, who exactly is Pusha T?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but. And to.

[Rory Farrell]

Because they don't understand that in hip hop, that does not matter. So I don't really care what anyone's accolades are in here. I just know that these three can rap really well. And now it's time to prove it. Because one person said, I. It's just me.

[Joe Budden]

No, but okay, it's not the rest of y'all. Right. He did say that. The big three. It's just big. Me, you not bigger than that nigga you talking to, dog. You not.

[Rory Farrell]

But he's rapping. See, I'm saying that's the difference. Can say that and be right and there's. There'll be no reply. Because that's not the culture. That's great culture. If a rapper says, I'm better than you, I'm bigger than you, it's just me. And he is 100, your peer and your opponent. Yes, you have to reply.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, in rap, you.

[Rory Farrell]

Especially when you've already replied to people.

[Joe Budden]

A rapper is supposed to say he's the best. Like you said, ego. It's ego in rap and hip hop. And I'm the best. I'm the hottest nigga. Some niggas you respond to. And I think that's why Drake is going to respond to this, because Kendrick is undoubtedly one of those. But every nigga don't deserve a motherfucking response. That's not what I'm saying. I don't give a fuck. Some you got to look at be like if you feel like that. But me responding to you, me responding. Drake responding to Pusha did more for Push's career than anything Push has ever done. That's a fact.

[Rory Farrell]

No, that's not a fact.

[Joe Budden]

That was the biggest stage Pusha ever been on.

[Rory Farrell]

Did more for his career. Yes. You don't think Grinding did more for.

[Joe Budden]

His career then get into a battle, a back and forth battle with the biggest artist, arguably the biggest artist.

[Rory Farrell]

Oh, no. I think it was great. But. But to say to take away his entire career with Pharrell.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not. I'm not taking away his career. I'm saying that was the biggest moment of his career, that battle. He had more eyes, ears on his music than ever in his life. That's a fact.

[Rory Farrell]

Okay, but he doesn't. He doesn't get there without the huge moments. Like, he doesn't do festivals now because he.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, you're missing what I'm saying. Was that the biggest moment of Push's career, yes or no?

[Julian]

Yes.

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Why the Y'all keep making.

[Rory Farrell]

Outside of his own music? Yes.

[Julian]

Stop doing that.

[Joe Budden]

You know what? Why you keep making me repeat myself, though? My bad. Julian, why you keep making.

[Rory Farrell]

Because I think you need to. I think you need to add more to that sentence.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Rory Farrell]

Outside his own music.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, that is. Was that the biggest moment of Push's career? Yes or no?

[Rory Farrell]

No. I think grinding was the biggest.

[Joe Budden]

All right.

[Rory Farrell]

Cool moment of his career.

[Joe Budden]

All right.

[Rory Farrell]

You don't even get that battle without grinding.

[Joe Budden]

That's what's up.

[Damaris]

Okay. But no. Okay.

[Joe Budden]

So this had more eyes and ears and attention on his career and music. That moment. Like, you think. Let me ask y'all something. Y'all. Y'all don't think that these artists put.

[Rory Farrell]

More eyes on them at the Louis Vuitton the live stream.

[Joe Budden]

Stop it. Y'all don't think that. Y'all don't think that these artists sit in studios, offices and think, damn, how can I get this nigga's attention? How can I get this attention? How can I get him to say my name? How can I get him to say.

[Rory Farrell]

That for years to try to get.

[Joe Budden]

Do it on every level. Niggas do it on podcasting, talk your shit. Do it when they doing lashes. My lashes is the best. Bitches do it when they selling bikinis on Instagram.

[Julian]

My candles smell like my pussy.

[Joe Budden]

Like, this is. What if the top dog. If the top dog acknowledges you, whether it be negative or positive, if the top dog acknowledges you, that's a stat. It's a stat.

[Rory Farrell]

No, no. All right.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

So.

[Julian]

So would you say, especially when you won.

[Rory Farrell]

Okay, this is where I think we're disconnected. I. You're saying.

[Julian]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Mall things. Push or lost.

[Damaris]

That's ovo mall. He's pushed it.

[Rory Farrell]

Not loose.

[Joe Budden]

I just think Duppy is better than that.

[Rory Farrell]

I agree with you, but he lost.

[Joe Budden]

I think Duppy's a better song than the story Addie done. That's all I'm saying.

[Rory Farrell]

Okay. But then Drake went and sat in a Barber chair with LeBron, and that was. They lost.

[Joe Budden]

Well, that's on. That's. To me, that's on the consumer. You wanted the biggest artist to respond in the way that you wanted him to, but the biggest artist in the world don't respond the way you want him to. Responds the way they want to.

[Rory Farrell]

Oh, brother. See, that's. That's an L to me. That's A big L. That could be.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not saying it's not. I'm just talking about the music that we got.

[Rory Farrell]

He said he was too mean and I didn't want to play anymore because he got too mean.

[Joe Budden]

He never said that.

[Rory Farrell]

Yes, he did.

[Joe Budden]

When he said he got mean?

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah, he said.

[Joe Budden]

He said he was too mean.

[Damaris]

Well, you know.

[Joe Budden]

Did he say he was too mean?

[Rory Farrell]

He said you talked about my friends medical issues and we were really upset and it made me mad. So I was like, this isn't a battle anymore.

[Joe Budden]

So your OVO accent, see, y'all just be making up. I'm just talking about music. I'm not saying listen, I'm talking about music. I think Duppy Freestyle was a better song and better bars than the story.

[Rory Farrell]

And I agree with you there 100%.

[Joe Budden]

That's all I'm saying.

[Rory Farrell]

I'm on record saying, OK, cool, but after someone replies, and then you don't reply, but Instead sit with LeBron in a barbershop. That's not a barbershop, just a warehouse with barbershops.

[Julian]

They're on a set in Hollywood and.

[Rory Farrell]

You say, hey, I couldn't do it because like, he was talking about 40's medical condition. And like all of us were in the studio. Like, you just took it way too far, man. Like, now what? That's what he. That's what he said. That's an L. You lost. It's okay. He said Drake is still the goat.

[Joe Budden]

He said what?

[Rory Farrell]

You took it too far, man. Like, no, this is what he said. Like, what if someone like really beats your ass? That's what he said.

[Julian]

He said that, yeah.

[Damaris]

Drake really gonna beat Rory's ass.

[Rory Farrell]

I've been. I've been getting killed for taking his side, but I can be objective. Unlike every other fan on the fucking Internet, Drake is a goat he lost to push it. Now back to the original conversation. Do you think somebody's biggest, biggest point in their career is when they have the most eyes on them or the most numbers?

[Joe Budden]

One in the same.

[Rory Farrell]

Okay, so Jay Z's biggest moment in his entire career is his New York song. That's what you're saying.

[Joe Budden]

That's his first number one record.

[Rory Farrell]

So that's the biggest moment in Jay.

[Joe Budden]

Z's career if that's his first number one. I don't. I'm not mad if somebody says that's his biggest moment.

[Rory Farrell]

Okay, then that, that's where I disconnect here, is do I think Push had the most eyes on him ever with Story of Adidon Yes. I don't think that's even remotely his biggest moment of his career.

[Julian]

What comparatively?

[Joe Budden]

Just closed the loop, I think.

[Rory Farrell]

I think Jay would say Blackout, Hard Knock Life was a way bigger moment in his career than the New York song with Leash Keys.

[Julian]

What about Selling out the Garden in a Day? That was a big moment.

[Rory Farrell]

Sure. But if we're just going off numbers and eyes being on you, then I don't know what's. What. What's Kanye's biggest song? The. The one with Lil Pump?

[Joe Budden]

I don't know.

[Rory Farrell]

Cause that's. To me, I think that's his number one song. Like, I love it. That's not the biggest. I just don't think eyes and numbers dictate the biggest moment in your career.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, I guess it's all optics. It's how you look at it. I do think that that helped Pusha in a major way. Having that moment with Drake, with the biggest artist.

[Rory Farrell]

Sure. Oh, I'm not disagreeing.

[Joe Budden]

In a major way. And I think that. And I think that because we spoke about it when we spoke to Pusha, Pusha inserted himself into that beef.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah. He's admitted that.

[Joe Budden]

That's not by. That's not by coincidence. That is done purposeful. Back to what I'm saying.

[Rory Farrell]

But he's from the school of I'm beefing with Wayne, you next to Wayne, everyone's getting shot, and then you end up being the biggest artist. I'm gonna keep shooting.

[Joe Budden]

I'm cool with that too. But I'm also cool with niggas. Sit around in these studios, in these offices, and definitely, definitely have meanings about how can I get the attention or response or how can I have a moment with this art? Because that's, to me, that's just as big as getting a fucking feature from Drake. We know what that does for niggas careers.

[Rory Farrell]

Oh, I think a. If Drake hopped on a pusher record, it would not compare to the Light gears compared to them beefing. I agree with you there.

[Joe Budden]

So this is as close as we know. He's never gonna get a feature from Drake.

[Rory Farrell]

No, of course not.

[Joe Budden]

So this is as close as it's gonna get. All I'm saying is this is the music business. A lot of this is just business. Sometimes it gets personal. Sometimes it gets personal. A lot of the times it's business. It's is trying to figure out how can I elevate my brand, how can I get a different audience, how can I get in these rooms, how can I get on these stages, how Can I get these verses? It's all business. Like, we as the consumers and the fans, like to sit back and think it's, oh, nah. You know what I'm saying? Fuck it. It's beef, it's lit, it's on. These niggas don't like it. These niggas be behind closed doors, FaceTiming for hours after dissing each other on songs.

[Rory Farrell]

That's definitely a thing.

[Joe Budden]

This shit is business, man. This shit is wrestling. A lot of this shit is wrestling. Sometimes the chair you get hit with in the back of your head hurt. But a lot of the times after nigga hit you in the back of the head with the chair, you know what he do when y'all backstage? Damn, bro, I ain't mean. I ain't. Yo, I didn't know that was going split your head open. My bad. This shit is all sport. A lot of it. Sometimes it's personal. I think this situation is very interesting. Yeah, because there are personal relationships here.

[Rory Farrell]

It's a mixed bag.

[Joe Budden]

A lot of these dudes have worked together. They've been on the road together. They know a lot of each other's secrets. These is when you get the best battles. When I know you for real on a personal level.

[Rory Farrell]

That's why I think that Future.

[Damaris]

You think Russell Wilson gonna catch a stray or not from Future? No.

[Rory Farrell]

Oh, I think he's a big up from Drake. He might be in the video with Future Son.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, you know, that's sick. Listen, man, it gets different when, you know, you just got to know your opponent. And which is why I'm saying it takes. It's going to take Drake longer to respond because he knows his opponents right now.

[Julian]

Drake gonna make Adonis.

[Joe Budden]

And not only that, like I said, it's all over. Acting funny now, people. That Drake probably was like, what the I did to him?

[Julian]

Yeah, he was looking like Nav.

[Joe Budden]

Nav unfollow me the yo. You know how crazy if I'm Drake and I wake up from just tearing down the stage in Florida, me and Wayne and I wake up and see that Nav unfollowed me. You know how crazy that is?

[Julian]

It's crazy that people let me see.

[Joe Budden]

If Drake is still. Because Drake is a sick. Is he still following Nav?

[Julian]

Nah, I don't know. I was gonna say, I. I think Drake is so evil, he'll make Adonis and Future Son become best friends and put him in Adonis's next music video.

[Rory Farrell]

I could see that, too. I'm so conflicted because I Think it's sick that fans, like, look at artists following pages and shit.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. And know when they don't follow.

[Rory Farrell]

Like, how do y'all know that? But also, it does mean he's still following that.

[Joe Budden]

This is sick, man. You know how crazy that gotta be? I'm the biggest artist in the world, and we know each other personally. You don't follow me, and I'm still following you.

[Rory Farrell]

What about Rick Ross?

[Joe Budden]

I'm still following Ross.

[Rory Farrell]

Okay.

[Damaris]

Because I'm not. Well, he's kind of like, rory, Rory, don't unfollow.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah. Because to me, it's like, when that happens like that. Look, I'm gonna unfollow you because now you unfollowed. Like, I'm not. I'm not going through to find your name to unfollow.

[Damaris]

You can just search it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but if A dissed me and you and your car, you're pretty car bumping that, nodding your head. And you unfollow me. Oh, yeah. You getting a follow, bro.

[Rory Farrell]

Nah, that's just. I might comment under the. The video and, like, all your photos.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's. See, that's a whole. That's a serial killer way of doing things.

[Damaris]

So who do y'all think is gonna have the better this verse? The better response verse Cole. Or you think Cole gonna come out his. Because I'm a cold fan. Y'all know I'm team Cole. Regardless. Y'all think Cole gonna come on his Kumbaya and y'all have a place in hip hop, and we're the.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, I think it'll get to that. But the first. The first few rounds is gonna be, oh, no, this is war. Like, I'm at your neck.

[Damaris]

Like, you could have came on tour if you asked nicely.

[Joe Budden]

Because I think that's what it ultimately comes down to.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I think that Kendrick just got tired of looking at these hug on stage every night.

[Julian]

Kendrick and Uganda kicking a soccer ball in the dirt.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Like, I think Kendrick was just like, man, that I'm breaking up this little happy moment that I'm with you there.

[Rory Farrell]

I don't think he wanted to be on that tour, but I know he was looking at his phone every night.

[Joe Budden]

Like, not saying that he wanted to.

[Rory Farrell]

Another speech in tamp, but, like, it's like.

[Joe Budden]

It's like, yo, like, Tampa really need.

[Rory Farrell]

To hear the history of these two again.

[Joe Budden]

All this hugging, y'all is the. The big three and all. It's just like, nah, all that, man. It's just me. I'm Better.

[Rory Farrell]

I'm better than Kendrick, y'all, for doing that. Like, as much as I listen. I love everyone. Come together, work together sometimes. Let's break. Let's break up this love fest.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

For a second.

[Joe Budden]

Let's keep it. Keep it sport. Like, let's. Let me see where your blade is at. Let me see how you. Let me see. Because. All right, you've been on top for a while, but I don't think you really lit. Like, I don't think you got it like that. But I'm not mad at nobody doing that, but only if you're formidable. Kendrick is one of those. Yeah, he. He has the right to feel that way. A lot of these other niggas that just got a couple projects that nobody. You can't say my name and think I'm gonna respond to you, though. Like, cut it out.

[Rory Farrell]

I think Cole's just gonna be the worst because he doesn't have the free range to cross the line. So I think he's in a box. That's just weird. Cause I don't think he has any issue with Kendrick. Obviously, he doesn't have an issue with Drake, so he's just gonna have to rap really well. Kendrick gotta say why he's really good.

[Joe Budden]

Kendra gotta say these niggas names.

[Julian]

Why does that matter so much, dude?

[Joe Budden]

What.

[Damaris]

I think it's corny in a diss record when you say their name. What if you shoot if you make this shot.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all too young, man. Y'all niggas don't understand what it was when Hit Em up came on. To hear a rapper going at a nigga like, that was like, to hit beans and kiss the way they went. You have to say a nigga's name. You have to.

[Rory Farrell]

I actually thought it was even better when Jay mispronounced Nas's name, knowing Nas's name. Called him Nazi. You have to, like, now I gotta fight you.

[Joe Budden]

You have to say his name. You have to, like. It's like, I get it. We know who he's talking to. All the dog references. And, you know, we. I. We know. We get it. Say that man's name, dog. Say Cole's name. Call that nigga Jermaine. Call him Jermaine. Call Drake, Aubrey. Go there with it.

[Rory Farrell]

I think Drake's reply is gonna surprise a lot of people. No, I think Drake is a very.

[Joe Budden]

Underrated, battling his own.

[Rory Farrell]

But I think that Kendrick second reply is gonna be. It's true, though, a little crazy.

[Joe Budden]

No, Drake is gonna put out a dope response And a dope song like.

[Rory Farrell]

Have you been on the Internet? No. It's very much split where there's the.

[Julian]

OVO Mall's timeline is all.

[Rory Farrell]

And then everyone else that thinks Drake is overrated, not a rapper. I'm not one of those people. I think Drake is a very talented lyricist and I think he's gonna surprise a lot of people. I just think that second Kendrick reply might be a little crazy.

[Joe Budden]

It's just.

[Rory Farrell]

It's like very crazy.

[Joe Budden]

That's just what happens when you just. When he does like the secondary people not gonna never. People hate you and people hate you publicly, but in private they love you. Because like I said, at the end of the year we look at everybody's top 10 wrap up. None of you had Kendrick in there.

[Rory Farrell]

I. I have, but I always be a top 10.

[Joe Budden]

No you didn't.

[Rory Farrell]

I had Mr. Morale. I think is the number one album that I'm listening to.

[Julian]

No, Drake was all of our number ones.

[Rory Farrell]

No, the number two.

[Damaris]

He's talking about the year. Mr. Morale.

[Rory Farrell]

I'm not a Drake hater. Did you listen to our spaces?

[Joe Budden]

I didn't say you was a Drake hater.

[Rory Farrell]

I'm not saying I was the Drake dicker.

[Joe Budden]

A lot of.

[Rory Farrell]

He's always in my number one.

[Joe Budden]

A lot of these people just want to see. People want to see Drake fall from the top spot. I get it.

[Julian]

But you're not going to let them all.

[Joe Budden]

It's not. I ain't got nothing to do with this shit.

[Rory Farrell]

I don't think he needs any of our help.

[Joe Budden]

I'm just listening to this. Listen, I want to see this. I want front row tickets for this motherfucker. I want to see it. I just don't. I'm not saying that it has to happen tomorrow. Just let me know when it's on, when it's lit, nigga, and I'll be there. I'm pulling up to see what is going to happen. But. But fans say he got 72 hours. He gotta do this. It's like, what?

[Rory Farrell]

Why are we not putting this pressure on Rick Ross and Nev? You can't just unfollow him during this whole spat. Cause you look clout chasing now. Now say something. Don't sit in your fucking Maybach and listen to the song and unfollow Drake. Ross. Say something.

[Joe Budden]

And that's one that I don't want to see, man. Cause them niggas make such great music together.

[Rory Farrell]

I don't think they're gonna make.

[Joe Budden]

I don't wanna see that.

[Damaris]

Y'all all the memes with the fucking. So hard to say goodbye to yesterday with like. Like Future and Drake.

[Julian]

Like, oh, yeah. That is like, a bad.

[Damaris]

All my. All the toxic were depressed.

[Rory Farrell]

Everyone was really upset about the Future and Drake one. I was very upset about Drake and Ross. That, like, show me that collage.

[Joe Budden]

I still want that album. I still want that out.

[Rory Farrell]

What do y'all think of Ross? Like a proper Ross diss record. Looks like. I know he dabbled with the 50. I'm aware it ain't gonna.

[Damaris]

It's gonna. It's like this era.

[Rory Farrell]

Ross, what do y'all think of?

[Damaris]

You can't out luxury Drake, so it's not gonna be good.

[Julian]

How can you talk about Bel Air?

[Rory Farrell]

That's a really good point, too. He could do that with other rappers.

[Damaris]

Like, yeah, you can't out luxury Drake.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

He said all the scallop dishes you've had.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Ross Drake battle is. Is.

[Julian]

Is just didn't eat as much a Ross Drake.

[Rory Farrell]

He had stomach issues.

[Julian]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

I do want to hear Ross get involved in this, though. All right. What's Future gonna do when he does reply? Because the future.

[Joe Budden]

When is Dreamville first?

[Rory Farrell]

This weekend. Keep man next weekend. I'm sorry.

[Damaris]

Don't worry about mine. Worry about your camp.

[Joe Budden]

Look at my bad. I ain't even know you had the Dreamville. What's their logo? A D. I ain't know you had the D tatted on your lower back. My bad. Big D. No, I'm. Because I could definitely. I could definitely see Cole debuting it at. At that show.

[Rory Farrell]

I think so, too.

[Joe Budden]

I could see that.

[Julian]

I think Cole. Cole's got something already.

[Joe Budden]

I could see him. I could see him giving us the response on stage.

[Rory Farrell]

I thought Drake might do that one of these shows, but I could really see Cole do that.

[Damaris]

We had this con. We've been having this conversation about Cole's next coming album and how it's his chance to solidify himself within the big three. And all of this. Like, I feel like this moment is also his moment to let motherfuckers know that, like, you're not the three of the big three. You don't have to be. You can compete with the big three.

[Rory Farrell]

Cole replies correctly and then drops the fall off, which we've heard snippets that sound incredible. We know he's in the best shape he's ever been in. I think that's an even better way for Cole to solidify being number one. Listen that you reply and then put out an incredible Rap album.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah. That's like.

[Rory Farrell]

It's hard to debate anything at that point.

[Damaris]

Yeah. That's why it's like all this kumbaya. You cool with Kendrick? You cool with Drake? Nah, knock them heads off. Do it.

[Joe Budden]

Or you want Cole to go at Drake too?

[Damaris]

Both of them. It. I'm number one.

[Rory Farrell]

When was the last time we got a real diss record on an album? I'm not saying the way Future did that cryptic intro. I'm talking Ether on a still matter.

[Joe Budden]

Don't say names no more, man.

[Rory Farrell]

I could see Cole throwing in his response in the fall off album because I have not seen a reply to a rapper in quite some time the way Ether was on Stillmatic. When was the last time we got that from. From a. A list rapper?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Not the Drill. These Drill say each other's name.

[Rory Farrell]

Oh, yeah. No, no, that genre is that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, the genre is Just say my.

[Julian]

Name genre is named.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, like kill me.

[Rory Farrell]

And they don't have albums.

[Joe Budden]

It's just.

[Rory Farrell]

It's just this record attendance. Just back it. So it's just a cannabis album? Well, yeah.

[Damaris]

Well, what were your favorite?

[Rory Farrell]

I think Cole was still on the. The chopping block for time as well.

[Damaris]

What were your favorite jokes on the Internet over this time frame? Because the jokes that Big Sean can't have a data himself have been like, I've been in tears.

[Julian]

I feel so bad for that.

[Joe Budden]

We ain't even got Sean's name on the docket.

[Rory Farrell]

Put out a great single. Put out a great freestyle.

[Joe Budden]

Put out a great freestyle. Got his tiny desk lit right now.

[Rory Farrell]

Tiny desk is.

[Joe Budden]

Shut the up, Julian, because you don't even got Big Sean. You don't even have Big Sean's name on the docket.

[Julian]

Drake, for the last three hours, you.

[Joe Budden]

Don'T have Big Sean's name on the docket.

[Julian]

Say something about the record. What's it called, Ma? What's the song called? Since you listen to it so much over the weekend?

[Joe Budden]

I didn't listen to it so much.

[Julian]

What's. What's it called? I know because I've been listening to it.

[Joe Budden]

Something precise.

[Julian]

Cap impeccable.

[Joe Budden]

What is it called?

[Julian]

Right.

[Damaris]

I think y'all not doing Sean like that. They said all the Diddy documents because Sean's birthday is the decision precision.

[Joe Budden]

There you go.

[Damaris]

They said all the diddy came out on Big Sean birthday. They said, damn, my man can't have one day to himself.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, y'all up, man. And Sean rapping.

[Rory Farrell]

Hendrick dropped right on his. His freestyle rollout next Day Diddy.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, Sean got the tiny desk right now.

[Damaris]

He was about to have a week, yo.

[Joe Budden]

He thought he was gonna have it lit. They said they sent in the Homeland Security to puff. It's like, God damn. I just, I just dropped the tiny.

[Julian]

You need to get new crystals, whatever crystals. And he got in his crib switch, swap them out.

[Rory Farrell]

You know what's so up is I love that Sean has been talking about positive thinking for the last three years, but we may need to rework some of his thinking because it's not manifesting the way he's explaining it.

[Julian]

And he's putting out good music, he's.

[Rory Farrell]

Putting out great music and Sean deserves his flowers. Even through the midst of this. I actually do think, like jokes aside, it may have helped him a bit because a lot of people now are saying his rollout's being stepped on. Let's talk about how great Big Sean is. So it. I think it's helped a bit.

[Joe Budden]

It's.

[Rory Farrell]

It's a yin and yang when this drop the tiny desk. I was excited. I was like, oh, great, that means we're going to get a Drake reply today. There's no way they're going to let Big Sean have a tiny desk day. We're going to get a nine minute Drake song.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God, man, that's so fucking.

[Damaris]

Y'all think Kendrick knew that Big Sean was coming and that's why he.

[Julian]

Yeah, he did a crazy method.

[Rory Farrell]

I don't think. I don't think Kendrick is that strategic. Like, as far as I want to make sure my Big Three disc goes out on the day Sean starts his rollout. But I think he saw the timing and was like, metro, can you drop your album on this Friday as opposed to the one before or after? I could see it. I think he waited to. To turn that verse in so it landed on this Friday.

[Damaris]

And it just is so crazy because Sean had just mentioned the Big Three like he had just six hours before.

[Rory Farrell]

No, he said, you're. You're so called big three. He said, I don't know. He said, I don't want to compete with your so called big.

[Julian]

I don't have suplex out of the conversation.

[Damaris]

And I took that personal.

[Julian]

Absolutely.

[Rory Farrell]

Okay.

[Damaris]

Don't worry, you won't compete with the Big three, baby.

[Joe Budden]

Go.

[Julian]

Go home at your desk.

[Rory Farrell]

Maybe I'm viewing his manifesting a little differently.

[Julian]

Poor Sean.

[Rory Farrell]

Maybe he is the greatest manifester of all time in his positive thinking.

[Joe Budden]

Well, no, you got to have, you got to have.

[Rory Farrell]

I don't have the so I don't have the energy to compete with your so called big three. And then six hours later, Kendrick Lamar says, fuck the big three. It's just me.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, this.

[Rory Farrell]

This theory might be worse than the Jay Z stepping on all the Nas releases.

[Joe Budden]

This is like when you trying to break up a fight and a punch you in your face.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Like, no, it's like, yo, I'm trying this now. I'm trying to. I'm trying to call for peace.

[Rory Farrell]

And you also get arrested.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. And you get pepper sprayed. It's like, no, I was trying.

[Rory Farrell]

I was trying to break it up.

[Joe Budden]

I was trying to break this up.

[Damaris]

Yo, that is so funny.

[Julian]

Album come out, bro.

[Joe Budden]

Whenever Drake respond, I was gonna like, we gonna get the Sean album. Yeah. That day is when Sean's album is dropping.

[Rory Farrell]

That freestyle is really good.

[Joe Budden]

No, that's. It's dope. It's dope. I don't know why people just have big. I think people trying to make it cool to not like Big Sean and just make jokes and memes out of.

[Damaris]

Him, but they try to make it cool not to, like, cold for 10 years. So, like, I'm happy. It's Sean's turn.

[Joe Budden]

Turn. It's been his turn. I'm telling him to turn it off.

[Rory Farrell]

Like, no, I think this is a nice guy.

[Joe Budden]

He's pretty cool and he can rap really well.

[Rory Farrell]

Like, he's a great rapper.

[Joe Budden]

Turn off the hate.

[Rory Farrell]

Makes great music. Great singles.

[Damaris]

Like, there's Big Sean, Stan. Well, first of all, I got attacked. Like, me and Rory both got attacked by Kendrick Stands this weekend. I didn't. I knew that Kendrick has stands, but, you know, because Kendrick been like, like, you know, hibernating. I didn't know that these were still active in the streets because they turned my Twitter the up when all I tweeted was attacking Cole and album mode. It was a bold move. That's all I tweeted. They've been on my ass ever since. But I went on tick tock and I made a tick tock, talking about trying to help women get through this beef so they know what's going on so they can impress their man.

[Joe Budden]

So. And you did what?

[Rory Farrell]

So young Miami.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, what did you do?

[Damaris]

I made a tick tock for women who don't know hip hop.

[Julian]

She tried to give a step by step.

[Damaris]

And I was like, hey, if you don't know hip hop, but your man's in love with hip hop, he's probably jumping up and down right now. You want to know what's going on. This is what's going on. So I explained the Big Three beef in layman's terms, right? Real simple. I also mentioned.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sure all that was wrong. I'm sure the marriage was on there. Saying they was like, that ain't how.

[Julian]

That went, but okay, and here's how to throw a lob in 2k.

[Damaris]

Anyway.

[Joe Budden]

L1 square.

[Damaris]

Anyway, I said that. But one of the things I mentioned, I said, so your man is either on one of their sides, or if he's one of those, like, odd hip hop fans, he's like, honestly, the Big Three. Big Sean belongs in the big three. When I said that, there were so many men in the comments. Like, big Sean does belong in the big Three. Cole. It should be Kendrick, Drake, and Sean. And I was like, that's.

[Rory Farrell]

I mean, that's a lot, bro.

[Damaris]

They were wilding. I'm like, y'all really believe this is.

[Julian]

Sean wouldn't even say that.

[Rory Farrell]

Flowers. He's incredible.

[Damaris]

People love an underdog. Cole isn't an underdog anymore, so now.

[Rory Farrell]

He paid off his student loans. So it's like, what do we relate to? Yeah, yeah, I get it. All right. So I did have that moment in D.C. which I was explaining them all at meet and greets of, like, Kia being the first girl that I've ever dated that, like, wasn't super into rap like, that. So trying to explain what, like, was happening was one of the toughest things I've ever done. Because she just kept asking, like, but why you just sent him a video? So, like, they. They're attacking each other. Did someone say something wrong about the other one? I was like, well, not really. It was like, subliminals, sort of. Like, she's like, so did someone say something about someone's family or, like, why would they want to attack? They all seem pretty successful and they have a lot of fans. Why would someone do that? I was like, okay, you're making a valid point, but that's not how this goes.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, no, it's not how that works.

[Damaris]

You for bringing logic.

[Rory Farrell]

All she was trying to. She's like, wait, so Drake and Cole were on tour, but then Kendrick just. Didn't he do, like. Like, didn't he break a record or something for his tour? I was like, yeah, he did. So why would. Why would he be mad? I was like, I can't explain why he's mad.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, there's no explaining.

[Rory Farrell]

I have nothing.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, no, there's no explanation. Not to somebody that doesn't really follow the Music and the artist, like. Because even if you do, it's still a lot of questions that you have. I don't know why these niggas is unfollowing Drake. I couldn't tell you. Like, like, what the fuck happened? What bar was it? What?

[Damaris]

What bar was it? What bitch was it?

[Joe Budden]

Like, what the fuck? Like. And I'm following a nigga because he fucked the chick that you fuck is beyond.

[Rory Farrell]

I think that's just a laundry list of things that just being one of it. I don't know. I would like to know the messy part of my brain. Why.

[Joe Budden]

Why they can get off of it. Where do y'all have. Who do y'all have being victorious coming out of all of this whenever it happens.

[Damaris]

Cole.

[Julian]

Oh, I'm up. You know, I'm. She waves her flag much harder than I do, but I'm. I'm Dream Bill. What do you mean that's not true?

[Damaris]

I said that's not true. Julian came out here. Julian came over here.

[Joe Budden]

Boss was just in your house at 5:30 in the morning.

[Damaris]

Boss was in my house at 5:30 in the Morning. This is wrestling. But damn. I can't really talk about it. I can't talk about it.

[Joe Budden]

Trust me, it that goes without.

[Rory Farrell]

We all know things too that we're not saying.

[Julian]

I know it sucks.

[Damaris]

You don't have to say I can't talk about it.

[Julian]

Well, it's a podcast, so I have to say something.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I know a lot of that I can't talk about.

[Julian]

Yeah, but I heard about a phone call you had that you can't talk about.

[Joe Budden]

Anyway.

[Julian]

Tell us about it.

[Joe Budden]

Anyway, you got Drake, so you got Dre.

[Julian]

You're obviously taking Drake.

[Joe Budden]

You got Cole.

[Rory Farrell]

You're going to be mad at me. Define the winner. What does that mean?

[Joe Budden]

Out of all the records that we get, bars that we get, who you think the same way you feel like pushing won the Drake. Who do you feel will come out of this being the victorious if the.

[Rory Farrell]

Three of them all participate in this battle? No, cuz he changes it.

[Joe Budden]

All three of them? All three of them.

[Julian]

All three of them pick the winner.

[Rory Farrell]

How is this not a fair question to ask when he was just saying.

[Joe Budden]

Three of them engaged in a Drake.

[Rory Farrell]

Won the push a battle because he sold more records. I have to ask. The stipulation said that.

[Joe Budden]

I never said that.

[Julian]

He thinks that song is better.

[Joe Budden]

That's all I said.

[Damaris]

That's not what he said. He thinks Duffy's freestyle is better. That's not what he said.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't say nothing about three of.

[Rory Farrell]

Them participate in a rap battle. I'm taking Kendrick in the end.

[Julian]

Okay, you're only saying that so they get out of your bench.

[Rory Farrell]

No, I think Drake is going to be a way bigger competitor and shock people much more than they think. That's all I'm saying. I think Kendrick is too prepared. I think he's been waiting on this. I think he's been clipped up wanting to say everything about Drake. He just needed a real excuse to do it. And I think Drake is going to reply and then Kendrick is going to let out 10 years of his thoughts and I think he'll be the victor.

[Joe Budden]

And y'all want Drake to respond in 48 hours knowing that a nigga got 10 years of thoughts he about to release.

[Damaris]

But Drake also has 10 years of.

[Joe Budden]

Thoughts he don't be thinking about the. But anyway, I got.

[Damaris]

So now I'm not gonna let him get that off because everybody, especially real Drake fans, know how part of the reason that he even has the push, the push of dis and the the push of issues. Drake is a fan of hip hop. He's been a student of hip hop. He has looked up to all of these. He admires all of these. He listens to all of these. He's very much involved. So we're not going to sit around acting like Drake is just walking around air Drake like, I don't see none of these. I don't see none of these. No, he cares about what the Kendrick has to say because Kendrick's Paul. He respects Kendrick's pen. So don't do that. That he don't see. He don't care. He does see it. He does.

[Joe Budden]

I'm saying, I'm saying I don't think that he has 10 years worth of emotions directed towards not emotions, but he.

[Rory Farrell]

Has some bars unlock them. After I I hearing that my early.

[Joe Budden]

Favorite is obviously Drake only because he's battle tested.

[Julian]

Early favorite.

[Rory Farrell]

That was my early favorite.

[Joe Budden]

Only reason why I say early favorite is because that might delete later. Two that cold dropped. I think that's the best I've ever heard J. Cole rap.

[Julian]

I heard some more of those records that are on that. That full boss in him record. Holy.

[Joe Budden]

Like I I wave my flag that might delete later too is nah, they go.

[Rory Farrell]

Those snippets sound insane.

[Joe Budden]

So. So that's what I'm saying. Like Drake is battle tested. We've seen him in this arena. We've seen him get into it with art rappers and go back and forth We've seen that. So I would, I'm taking him. But if Cole is rapping anything like he's rapping on that might delete later. 2 and that's just tailored with names and shit. It could be a different outcome.

[Rory Farrell]

I, I think if Cole was given the same grace of crossing the line that Drake and Kendrick will get, yes, I would, I would put Cole maybe at number one at this point in their careers. Like, like even how we were talking in Patreon hours before that Kendrick dropped. Cole is in the best shape out of the three of them in my opinion right now. I just don't think he's going to cross the line because he has no reason to. So that's why I don't. That's why I think he'll be number three. Cole, as far as this battle goes, he can't.

[Joe Budden]

Like, I think he crossing lines when it come to Kendrick, bro.

[Rory Farrell]

I think, nah, I think they're friends.

[Joe Budden]

And I think no, they definitely friend.

[Rory Farrell]

But that's what I'm talking crossing lines.

[Damaris]

He's on disrespectful.

[Rory Farrell]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but you can cross.

[Rory Farrell]

I think Cole was going to put out an amazing reply that just proves how good of a rapper he is. Is what he's.

[Joe Budden]

What's crossing the line.

[Damaris]

Dirt.

[Julian]

Revealing dirt or something that they think.

[Joe Budden]

If these start doing that might up a nigga's marriage and like that, then it's like, all right, so if he.

[Damaris]

Calls Kendrick overrated or like says something.

[Joe Budden]

That might be the opening ball. You overrated. Nobody want to hear them aliens gonna do that.

[Rory Farrell]

If you think Cole will even go that far, then yeah, I think Cole is a contender for sure.

[Damaris]

I don't think Cole's gonna go up.

[Rory Farrell]

I don't think is. I think he's going to tell us his story of how he did all this and how he's better than us and that's it.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all got light skinned Jermaine up.

[Rory Farrell]

No, I have his like moral high ground up. Like, I just think he's going to prove that he raps really well and he's not going to cross the line.

[Joe Budden]

We watch battle rap. We watch battle rap all the time. Them cross all lines.

[Julian]

That's different.

[Joe Budden]

No, it's not. This is a battle. It's a battle.

[Julian]

It's a commercial battle.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I don't know what commercial you talking about.

[Joe Budden]

These is about to start talking very disrespectful.

[Rory Farrell]

Drake is going to cross the line on Kendrick. Kendrick's going to cross the line on Drake and I think Cole is gonna be over there just rapping really, really well.

[Joe Budden]

You think Cole gonna be like, hey, hey, hey. Don't say that. You think that's gonna be cold stance in this whole thing?

[Rory Farrell]

No, I just think he's gonna.

[Joe Budden]

Man, Cole gonna be right there talking about Kendrick like you dressed like a Haitian cab driver. Get out of here. He gonna be all on that nigga's neck.

[Rory Farrell]

That would be great.

[Julian]

So bad.

[Joe Budden]

Not me. Did you see the picture he posted in the studio?

[Rory Farrell]

Wait, when he was doing the Mexican burpees?

[Joe Budden]

No, when he had on. Y'all didn't see the picture when he.

[Julian]

Was outside doing the burpees?

[Joe Budden]

No, in the studio. That he was in the studio. This had on a. A butt like, tough. Those are tucked in his jeans with some wild shoes on.

[Julian]

Y'all didn't see that picture of Kendrick?

[Joe Budden]

Well, I thought that was Photoshopped.

[Rory Farrell]

Well, who am I to talk? Because I'm definitely not the fashion guy, but.

[Joe Budden]

No, but I'm three.

[Rory Farrell]

All three of them don't dress when.

[Joe Budden]

You have pictures like that currently circulated.

[Rory Farrell]

None of them can really talk fashion.

[Joe Budden]

When you have pictures like that circulating. Oh, best believe I'm using one of those as, like, as a bar.

[Julian]

Dissing his clothing. You think that's the.

[Damaris]

Cole can't diss Kendrick's clothing. Respectfully, none of them can.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, he can.

[Julian]

Did you guys see while we were recording, Yay. Just threw his hat into the ring. He posted this.

[Rory Farrell]

This happened while we.

[Julian]

This. This just happened. I was gonna read it off my phone, but if one of you wants.

[Joe Budden]

To read it, he says, everyone knows I watched Kendrick on no more Parties in la. Everyone knows I watched Drake at the Free Hoover concert. Everyone knows I brought Adidas into this culture, and I took them out. Everybody. Everyone knows.

[Rory Farrell]

Lots.

[Joe Budden]

Lotta Demna, Virgil, Jerry, Kim all worked for me. I made Yeezus Dark Fantasy Pablo graduation throwing 808s. I made runaway Devil in a New dress Father Stretch. Well, actually, didn't Drake write that? But okay, I am the only person to come back. Ironically, I am the only person to come back to number one. After cancellation, there was only one goat. I stand by me. My friends call me Ye.

[Damaris]

He got a little tiny bit of a point.

[Rory Farrell]

He has a point, but why? Because all of this is, for the.

[Joe Budden]

Most part, he has a point. But he don't rap better than none of the niggas we just talked about.

[Rory Farrell]

That's a fact. He also was on Drink Champ, saying, could you imagine if I could have Drake, write all my rapplers.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. So what are we talking about?

[Rory Farrell]

Like, Kendrick, Cole, and Drake are far better rappers than Kanye West.

[Joe Budden]

Kanye is one of the greatest. Kanye is arguably the greatest producer. Not just music producer.

[Rory Farrell]

Clothes, fashion, and probably has the best catalog in rap history in that argument.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, we're not talking about that. I'm just.

[Rory Farrell]

When it comes to the pen. Nah, Yay is not those three. Sorry.

[Joe Budden]

No, not at all.

[Damaris]

He said it's big. He said it's big. Yay. Y'all talking about it.

[Rory Farrell]

I mean, it's Kanye West. He's a. We don't even get Kendrick, Drake, and Cole if we don't have Kanye West. He is the goat of this whole.

[Joe Budden]

Can't. Can't argue that at all.

[Rory Farrell]

But it's kind of weird.

[Joe Budden]

Like, here we go with inserting yourself.

[Rory Farrell]

Like. Yeah, we already know you the goat.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Like, ain't nobody saying you not. But here, you know, it's. I get it, man. You know?

[Damaris]

Are those his peers?

[Julian]

No, no, no.

[Rory Farrell]

Those are his kids.

[Damaris]

Not. I'm not.

[Rory Farrell]

All three of them are.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Okay. That's what I think.

[Joe Budden]

He's on another level.

[Rory Farrell]

Respectfully, his kids.

[Damaris]

Did Yay have a big three. Who was Yay's other two? Wayne.

[Julian]

Wayne and. I don't know.

[Rory Farrell]

Definitely Wayne, for sure.

[Julian]

T. Pain.

[Rory Farrell]

You're joking. But I mean.

[Damaris]

I mean, T. Pain was a singer.

[Rory Farrell]

Nelly, sort of 50.

[Julian]

No.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Even though it's kind of at the tail. But did he not determine that that's what the ended 50, 50 50s run.

[Rory Farrell]

Was so big, but it was. It was so short work.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Because Kanye kind of. That ended it kind of.

[Rory Farrell]

I think this kind of speaks to Cole, Kendrick, and Drake as far as their run as the big three. I don't know if there's been a big three for that amount of time ever.

[Damaris]

We're still talking about them as the big Three, like, years after what should have been their peaks. And Cole hasn't even hit his peak yet.

[Rory Farrell]

Like, Yay is an anomaly because he's outlet. Like all his peers that he was competing with every year, whether tight 50, but.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but that's Wayne.

[Rory Farrell]

Whatever. Like, he's still. What?

[Julian]

That's not Cole.

[Joe Budden]

That's just not fair because he's. You can't put 50 and Kanye next to each other because.

[Rory Farrell]

Well, they did.

[Julian]

They did.

[Rory Farrell]

Rolling stone did.

[Julian]

And 50 got rolling.

[Joe Budden]

I'm just talking about just artists. Like, it's too. 50 is just rap. Kanye is so much bigger than.

[Rory Farrell]

Well, that's why that was like the. Between graduation and Curtis like, proved the shift in hip hop at that time.

[Damaris]

But then you could say that same thing. Excuse me, about Drake. Drake is not just rap. Drake is pop. Drake is.

[Joe Budden]

I said that already.

[Damaris]

Yeah, no, but.

[Julian]

But Kanye opened the door for that, at least for that to go commercial and for younger guys to feel like they could do that.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah, of course. That's like. That's why I. Do we need that post from Kanye?

[Joe Budden]

Like, we know that was just Kanye.

[Rory Farrell]

I just do feel like Run DMC Adidas into like drug dealers, maybe brought Adidas into the culture.

[Joe Budden]

But Kanye. You know how Kanye gets nervous when his name drops in the album? Algorithms. He gotta find a way to get right back at the top of that. So he just saw. He just checked today and was like, where? I'm trending at number 19. Oh, no, no, no, no.

[Damaris]

Oh, no, no, no. I just heard Rebob.

[Joe Budden]

I do think he's hired to me. Young Miami trending higher than me. No, no, no.

[Rory Farrell]

Number seven. Oh. Oh, now you know how it feels. Kanye.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah, I felt the same way.

[Joe Budden]

Let me drop my stats real quick. She had.

[Rory Farrell]

It was me. I snitched.

[Joe Budden]

And it took a helicopter. Head over to Star island and make sure my tax paying dollars are going to good use.

[Julian]

Yeah, what are the odds Rory never goes down to Miami? The one time you're down there, home.

[Joe Budden]

One time, about to get raided. Now you're in the chopper over here.

[Julian]

He got his hair all out. You look like the Syracuse Orange.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, Syracuse.

[Rory Farrell]

You see the bangs?

[Julian]

The Syracuse meal look like a Lego man.

[Rory Farrell]

The Syracuse connected with some people that knew Damaris.

[Joe Budden]

He's a Syracuse Mule.

[Damaris]

He bought me a Syracuse shirt the other day too. That starting to make sense.

[Rory Farrell]

Ye.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, he was in Syracuse the other day.

[Rory Farrell]

No, I was thrifting and I found a Syracuse shirt.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I thought you said. Yo, he bought me something from Syracuse the other day. I about to be like, we joking and we laughing. Well, what the going on?

[Rory Farrell]

The Orange man.

[Julian]

What you want talking kilos in that.

[Joe Budden]

Little man and your little. Ame. Ame. Ame. Yeah, what is it? Yeah, yeah, I made tote bag. Start checking that Rory ass outfit. It. That is Rory.

[Rory Farrell]

That's me. I'm just. I'm an Orange man. Legitimately an orange man.

[Damaris]

Shout out to the gang. Shout out to the gang. Shout out to.

[Julian]

Oh, no, that's.

[Rory Farrell]

This is a nasty sign.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, what is that?

[Damaris]

It's the S. Genius.

[Rory Farrell]

Oh, it's backwards though. You can't say genius.

[Joe Budden]

Genius. And it was backwards.

[Rory Farrell]

Well, it's bad because you put everything upside down.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, okay.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah, I was trying to put it in.

[Joe Budden]

She's trying to talk to me in my. My language, my lingo.

[Damaris]

We got any voicemails?

[Rory Farrell]

Holy.

[Julian]

Oh, yeah, we can do voicemails.

[Rory Farrell]

Oh, well, quickly. Beyonce album midnight.

[Damaris]

This ain't Texas, Ma.

[Rory Farrell]

I know you were kind of half joking, but I'm disappointed that Jelly Roll is not on the feature list that.

[Joe Budden]

Was put out today.

[Rory Farrell]

I was. I was really upset.

[Joe Budden]

I wanted to see Jelly Roll, man. Jelly Roll and Beyonce. That would have been fire.

[Rory Farrell]

I'm excited for the Miley Cyrus record. I'm hating on the Post Malone feature being on the. The just that list that they released today. But I'm probably gonna like it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I'm not mad at Po.

[Julian]

I mean, Post doesn't make bad music.

[Rory Farrell]

He doesn't.

[Joe Budden]

He doesn't make bad music. He tricked us though. We thought. We thought. We thought Post was going somewhere else with his music.

[Rory Farrell]

No.

[Joe Budden]

When we first he was White Iverson to what he is now.

[Rory Farrell]

I kind of.

[Joe Budden]

It's a whole different person.

[Rory Farrell]

Oh, I agree with you.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

He tricked us for like a day after White Iverson.

[Julian]

I was gonna say, what rap record did he put out after that? That was it.

[Joe Budden]

I'm just saying the way we met him is not the man he is today.

[Rory Farrell]

Oh, no. It's definitely some culture vulture points that could be brought up in that regard.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not gonna use that, but it's just a little funny.

[Julian]

We're not doing that to post it.

[Joe Budden]

We embrace that. We thought he was like, okay, he gonna get into his Wiz Khalifa bag a little bit.

[Rory Farrell]

Is that not the one of the definitions of a creative culture Vulture? You went into hip hop to then get hot and then immediately left to go do the music he wanted to do. And then then on hip hop, in multiple interviews.

[Joe Budden]

Has he done a feature in with a hip hop artist since?

[Julian]

Yeah, I was gonna say one of his biggest records. With Sway with the baby. Congratulations.

[Rory Farrell]

That's a pop record.

[Joe Budden]

But Sway Lee is the highest.

[Damaris]

And that's who you brought up.

[Julian]

He's hip hop.

[Rory Farrell]

Sway, he's not hip hop.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, he is.

[Rory Farrell]

He was at Puffs crib.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not. Oh, see, so are you.

[Julian]

You out here throwing hooks.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah. Cause I'm hip hop.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but you gotta stop. But what you was doing there. Listen, we don't ask the right questions sometimes. Yeah, what the was doing?

[Julian]

Didn't you say you had a glass of wine and don't remember what. Didn't that happen at Puff's house?

[Rory Farrell]

No, I was very coherent at Puff's house.

[Joe Budden]

And he snuck in. He didn't sneak in.

[Julian]

You drank from the good bottles.

[Joe Budden]

He snuck in.

[Rory Farrell]

How? You cannot sneak into Puff's house on New Year's Eve.

[Julian]

You can just bring some drugs. He'll be like, oh, sure, come in.

[Rory Farrell]

I came with. No, I came with no drugs. Name was on the list.

[Joe Budden]

Beyonce album tonight.

[Julian]

Quo's on. Congratulations. Sorry, that's a rapper.

[Rory Farrell]

Post Malone is not hip hop.

[Joe Budden]

Thank you, Julian. Beyonce record tonight. Country record.

[Rory Farrell]

Excited.

[Joe Budden]

I'm excited to hear it. I want to see what. To see what she did with this country album.

[Damaris]

Are y'all gonna listen with a. Like a open ear as. Yeah, not listening. Like, oh, I don't like country music, but I gotta talk about.

[Joe Budden]

I like country music.

[Rory Farrell]

I don't dislike the country.

[Julian]

How many people.

[Rory Farrell]

I never pretend to be someone that, like, listens to country all the time.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'm not banging it every day, but like, it's some country records that come on sometimes on the radio that I like. And I'm like, okay.

[Rory Farrell]

I was kind of hoping for.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you know the country. When you're in the store shopping somewhere and it comes on you like, I know that record. It's a country record.

[Damaris]

I need. I need from her. I took my key into the side of his pretty little soup.

[Rory Farrell]

I think that's the vibe most of it's going to be, to be honest.

[Damaris]

Need that.

[Joe Budden]

Well, we'll see tonight at midnight.

[Damaris]

Did 16 carriages grow on you guys? Growing, Julian and Ma.

[Joe Budden]

I liked it from the gay. I didn't like. What was the other record that she put out that.

[Julian]

The Texas holder.

[Rory Farrell]

That one.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't. I didn't really. That really wasn't. I ain't really, you know, I mean, get into that like that. But I like the. So what's the name? One I like?

[Rory Farrell]

Carriages is crazy.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

The other one, Texas. Told him it was a little cheesy country to me.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, we gotta. We gotta mention that R B tour of R B tours. That's great to happen. Maxwell with Jasmine Sullivan in October. London.

[Rory Farrell]

And Mater's on that too, right.

[Joe Budden]

She's on tour with Chris, I think.

[Rory Farrell]

Oh, Chris. Okay. There's someone else that was on it either way.

[Joe Budden]

That's dope ass.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

So if you bring a girl, is that your girlfriend?

[Joe Budden]

Absolutely. You can't go see Maxwell with just anybody. You can't go listen to Jasmine sing live with just anybody. Okay. But that's somebody you care about.

[Rory Farrell]

If you don't have a prospect, you go alone.

[Joe Budden]

No, you stay home, take that friend.

[Julian]

With Benefit that we try to go.

[Rory Farrell]

And take the girl you at the time.

[Julian]

That's the.

[Joe Budden]

This. Yeah, okay, you can. You can. But now if she start acting like your girlfriend, don't be mad.

[Julian]

No mall, remember? We reiterate. You got to remind her that she's just your friend with Benefit.

[Joe Budden]

All right? Good luck.

[Damaris]

You got bag of at the show.

[Rory Farrell]

You have to encourage her to go on stage with Maxwell.

[Julian]

You got to fear her during the show.

[Joe Budden]

You know, your day is coming at the podium, and I just want to. I just want to make sure you have. Because you like to eloquently post these captions on your Invisaligns page.

[Damaris]

You guys are making fun of. Of his Invisaligns like his invisible.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, I'm gonna make fun of it every day.

[Damaris]

Things that he. He writes in this Patreon. In this Patreon description, he said that Rory and low Key were discussing which was more impactful to Dirk's career. In between billowing hookah clouds. In between billowing hookah clouds, we catch glimpses of Demer. This is what he wrote in our Patreon.

[Julian]

That's for Patreon. That's behind the paywall if you want to go check that out.

[Damaris]

I few words, my vacation.

[Rory Farrell]

So we. We did appear to be billowing, filled with air and swelling outward. I've never heard that word in my life.

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Rory Farrell]

Of smoke moving or flowing outward with an adulting. You know I can't read motion. Did you know that word before this?

[Julian]

You just can't read.

[Rory Farrell]

Okay, sorry. What do you want from me? Teach me to read then.

[Damaris]

All right.

[Julian]

Hold on. I don't even remember.

[Rory Farrell]

Everyone's just shitting on me for not knowing how to read. Someone teach me to read that. Stop making of me.

[Damaris]

It's not that.

[Rory Farrell]

Worried about the solution and not a part of the problem.

[Damaris]

Rory is dyslexic. It's not that he can't read. He's dyslexic.

[Rory Farrell]

Now you're just putting.

[Joe Budden]

You see? You see?

[Damaris]

Oh, you're not dyslexic? No.

[Rory Farrell]

Are you just diagnosing me with how.

[Joe Budden]

She just diagnosed you with some.

[Rory Farrell]

And she tried to make it, like, nice, like. Don't worry, he's.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, dyslexic. It's okay.

[Julian]

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Since we're talking about this mall because you weren't here for this argument.

[Joe Budden]

What? What?

[Julian]

Record Was more impactful for Dirk's career. All my life. Or laugh now, cry later.

[Joe Budden]

Any song that you have.

[Julian]

Drake. Yeah, we should know who we're talking to.

[Joe Budden]

That's just. It's. Bro, it's not just me. This is a fact. You can look at the numbers. It's like putting your product in target.

[Julian]

Julian, enough on this music talk. Guys, I'm.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'm done with. I ain't going to lie, man. Till I hear a battle, I'm done with hip hop. I'm not downloading none of you albums.

[Rory Farrell]

It's country time, right?

[Joe Budden]

I'm not streaming none of you albums. I want to hear these rap and battle. And then. Then after that's over with, I'll get back to download now. But none of you drop nothing until this battle's over.

[Rory Farrell]

One quick question. Does anyone not put out their reply because of the Beyonce album? Like to let that. To let that go.

[Julian]

Big Sean.

[Joe Budden]

See, I think this is one of those rare cases where all of this trumps Beyonce's album.

[Julian]

I agree.

[Rory Farrell]

Because she's doing the country route.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

If this was renaissance, way different. Yeah, but she's doing the country.

[Joe Budden]

This is like her Beyond B is trying something with this. Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

I think.

[Joe Budden]

Think anyone could put the reply out of creative bag. She, you know, she's a Texas girl. Obviously, the country roots are there.

[Damaris]

Unless this shit hit. Unless it's not true country and it hit.

[Rory Farrell]

But even then, I still feel like a.

[Joe Budden]

But when Beyonce don't hit, though.

[Damaris]

No, no, no.

[Rory Farrell]

That's gonna hit.

[Damaris]

Beyonce always hits. What y'all are saying is you think Beyonce's just trying something. When I say it's hit, I mean it hits the masses. Cause she was trying to With Renaissance, too.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but no, but trying something is. This is not. Beyonce's not a country artist. Obviously. She's from Texas. She has the roots. She's been to the rodeos growing up. She's, you know, she has all of that in her back. She heard country music, been around it, been around the culture, obviously, but she's a different type of artist. That's not her artistry bag. This is like her putting on the hat. You really get into her roots, trying a new sound. She just gave us the renaissance. Who was new sounds on there? Dance. But that's even. That's closest to some shit Beyonce already did, and it gave us dance.

[Rory Farrell]

While Lion King didn't really count, in my opinion, as a full Beyonce album. It had been so much time. Renaissance was like, all right, let's Stop what we're doing.

[Joe Budden]

But if. If Cole. If a cold DIs record drops the S tonight. Oh, more people gonna be talking about that than his Beyonce album. And that's one of the rarest occasions.

[Rory Farrell]

I agree with you.

[Julian]

So Cole wouldn't do that to his aunt.

[Joe Budden]

To who?

[Rory Farrell]

His aunt.

[Damaris]

His tt. His TT baby.

[Julian]

Sure.

[Rory Farrell]

They're like. They're like two, six years apart, if that.

[Joe Budden]

Not even less than that.

[Damaris]

How old is Cole?

[Joe Budden]

Cole gotta be at least 38, 39, actually.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah, you're right. They might be the same age.

[Damaris]

He's 39. Yeah, but he's been.

[Julian]

She's been running around three years older than you talk about in the industry.

[Damaris]

You know, but it's because. But see, that goes to show Beyonce and Jay Z's age gap, because Jay Z is definitely. He's not bro. For Cole, he's definitely. He's.

[Joe Budden]

And. But Jay is 54.

[Damaris]

Exact. But that's why when I say auntie, Jay is uncle, so naturally, Beyonce will be auntie, even though she's closer to Cole's age and she is Jay's. That was our point.

[Julian]

Yeah. I was saying more relationship wise, not age one.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, got you. Yeah. All right. Well, do we got some voicemails? Julian, you've got mail.

[Julian]

Yeah, enough music talk. So we have a guy here that is tired of being the rebound, and he wants to be taken seriously outside of the bedroom. So let's give him some advice.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't know you was doing it like that, player. Outside of the bedroom. You want them to take you serious?

[Rory Farrell]

Yo, what's good, guys?

[Joe Budden]

Evan from Florida.

[Rory Farrell]

Just being a question for the Maris. Of course, everybody can chime in, but I've always been the rebound dude.

[Joe Budden]

The girl, the guy that girls get with and, you know, kind of make.

[Rory Farrell]

Them feel bad about themselves when they're trying to discover, reclaim their sexiness and.

[Joe Budden]

Always been told I get good dick.

[Rory Farrell]

But never been the dude that they stay with.

[Julian]

Like me.

[Rory Farrell]

And now that I'm older, getting close to my 30s and trying to calm.

[Joe Budden]

Down and settle down with somebody.

[Rory Farrell]

Find the 1,000 kids and like, how do you go from being the dude that everybody sleeps with to kind of feel better about themselves to, like, keeping somebody and finding that one. Of course. Any advice or jokes I'm down for?

[Joe Budden]

Appreciate it. Well, first of all, maybe you're just.

[Rory Farrell]

Not that deep, Duke.

[Joe Budden]

Well, it sound like he deep in a. Well, I don't know what the he's.

[Damaris]

Recording, but that was funny.

[Joe Budden]

First of all, trying to settle down in your 30s, like you just turning 30. He's still 20 something.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah. Fair, but. All right, let's say someone that cool as someone that wants to settle down in their 30s, but has always been treated like a hoe. Can you turn a hoe into a house husband? Because I think a lot of girls might be just looking at him like, no, you just. A hoe. You're dense. There's not much here. You don't have much conversation. You're just good at and you're attractive, and that's what we do to you.

[Joe Budden]

When men are whores. And. And you're trying to change that narrative about yourself. You have to completely rebrand every. You got to start buying your groceries at different stores.

[Rory Farrell]

You have to do the tiktoks in Target.

[Joe Budden]

You got to start. You got to change your wardrobe.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

You got to start wearing more suits.

[Julian]

You got to dress like. What's his name? Coretta Scott guy. Jonathan Majors.

[Joe Budden]

You got to have some slave boots.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. You got to completely read a lot of pea coats.

[Rory Farrell]

A lot of morning affirmations on the ig.

[Julian]

At least three coats. I can touch the floor.

[Joe Budden]

You got to start making Get Ready with me videos and show yourself at church.

[Rory Farrell]

Church is definitely.

[Joe Budden]

Got to start going to church. Gotta go to church.

[Julian]

Post a rose window every Sunday.

[Rory Farrell]

Giving back a lot of hashtag lunch bags.

[Joe Budden]

You have to join a book club.

[Rory Farrell]

But that's hoe to me, please. Everything you're doing, you gotta join a book club.

[Joe Budden]

You gotta. You gotta let the women know. Listen, listen. Give me the things to read to help me in this next level of my life.

[Julian]

Chicken Soup for the soul.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I gotta feed. You gotta nourish your soul more. You gotta. You gotta start fasting. You got to do a lot of things as a man to get that whore juice off of you.

[Rory Farrell]

But what happens when. To your point earlier in the episode, like when a hoe is a hoe, you can't really change much of their DNA and who they are.

[Julian]

But he's not.

[Rory Farrell]

This might work. That's what he was suggesting. He was.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

He called himself a hoe.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I see.

[Julian]

But I think he.

[Rory Farrell]

That could work.

[Julian]

He became a ho.

[Joe Budden]

He's just a man.

[Damaris]

I think you're projecting on him. He said that he's in.

[Julian]

Well, okay. Because I kind of relate to what he's saying. I think he became, though. I think you need to change the environment in which you're seeing these women if you want to be taken seriously. Start doing Find a. And don't meet her up at midnight, maybe do the coffee walk route. Like have a day date. Like have them see you as a person and not just as a stick.

[Joe Budden]

And don't have sex.

[Rory Farrell]

A bunch of women that are coming out of relationships, like, have some accountability here. Yeah, why do I keep being treated this way? They just want to use me. Me to get back on.

[Joe Budden]

Stop, stop.

[Julian]

And also, yeah, don't try to wife one of these girls that's fresh out of relationship. That's.

[Rory Farrell]

No, he's not trying to do that. He's just tired of being you.

[Julian]

He wants to find something significant. Find one, but don't find her. Don't make a girl. You've been at 2am the longest over the course of last year.

[Rory Farrell]

The one he can't because they don't even want to or talk to him.

[Damaris]

Unless it's 2am man, go get a girl. You. Since you call and you said my name directly, let me tell you, go get a girlfriend. Go get a. And this is not. This is very. I'm not being a girl's girl right now. This is not a pro woman stance. This is actually very toxic. Go get one of them girls that fell in love with the dick. Because I know you got at least one. But you ain't think about her because you ain't like her like that. Wife her up, post it on Instagram and all of these. Who used to think of you as just a hoe treat that like she has Sunshine coming out of her.

[Rory Farrell]

People hurt people. Just go use another girl and post her on Instagram.

[Damaris]

Hey, he didn't call. Call me and ask how to be a good guy. I'm not giving him.

[Rory Farrell]

Yes, he wants a good result. He wants a relationship.

[Damaris]

I wish y'all would let hush and let me talk.

[Rory Farrell]

So just find some innocent woman and user because he was used. All right, go ahead.

[Damaris]

He said he wants to know how to get women to stop looking at him like a stick. He did not call me and say, how does he have. How do I have a functioning, healthy relationship? You didn't ask that. That's not what the fuck you asked for advice on. You want to know how to get women, other women, to stop looking at you like you are a whore and only good for your dick. The answer to that is, is to go get a fucking girlfriend, post her on Instagram, treat her like Sunshine comes out of her fucking ears when she rises every day if. When her head lifts from the fucking pillow and a bunch of bitches will be in your DMs trying to be your next girlfriend. That is how you get bitches to stop looking at you want to get.

[Rory Farrell]

Trauma to an innocent girl.

[Joe Budden]

Not gonna try to get some. You too. Yeah, like they gonna try to you too if you want to just get a women want to you based off the fact that you treating another woman good like they like damn like what he like I want some of that. It won't.

[Damaris]

It won't just be about him. Listen, what he needs to do is the next step is him getting in a healthy relationship again. He didn't call and ask for how to get in a healthy relationship. He wants to change his image. Going to the book club and all that extra relationship that he wants wants. That's not going to get you the results that you want. Changing your groceries, changing your clothes. Now you're just a dolled up. It doesn't matter. That's not going to change.

[Joe Budden]

Stop hanging out in the club.

[Damaris]

You need to be known as the that go crazy about his girlfriend. Once you are that, then you can start exploring bitches that you want to be in a healthy relationship with because they have a point of reference. You don't have a point of reference right now. Why would anybody want to be in a relationship with you when you don't have nothing to show know. Oh, I know how to be in a relationship.

[Rory Farrell]

Okay, now you're onto something at that point. Learn how to do anything outside of learn to have a real conversation. What else do you do outside of.

[Damaris]

How to do all of those things?

[Rory Farrell]

How do we know that sound like.

[Julian]

You'Re just dropping off.

[Damaris]

I'm giving advanced information. So beginner thing is.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah. Learn how to carry a conversation.

[Damaris]

If you don't have a personality. You were a hoe for mad long and you had mad personality and knew how to clear a conversation.

[Rory Farrell]

And that's why they all stayed need.

[Joe Budden]

This is how the easy relationship. This is how the Kendrick and Cold is great to go.

[Julian]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Joe Budden]

You was a hoe for mad long before you. Hey, Kenny, you was. This is about to go. Oh, man. This about to go a whole nother. I'm telling y'all. Y'all laughing. All right.

[Julian]

No, you're not gonna let the marriage do that because respecting your wife.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Julian]

You're gonna have this poor man attracting women that he doesn't want. He wants to be in a relationship. He not only wants to not be a hoe, he wants to be in a real relationship. He's made that clear.

[Rory Farrell]

Go get some skills that people will.

[Julian]

Think don't don't drag a girl through that. Don't find like the six month agreed.

[Rory Farrell]

And I'm saying penultimate. These. These women. I think he may have an ego and think that these women really like him just because they think he's the best they've ever had. Or maybe he offers nothing but being dick and that's what they want to use.

[Julian]

Which is what sounds like go learn.

[Rory Farrell]

Some other skills, sir.

[Joe Budden]

What's his name? Evan.

[Julian]

Go learn Mandarin, Evan.

[Rory Farrell]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you gotta listen.

[Rory Farrell]

At least Julian at least knows how to play batgam. And there's another conversation outside of go figure out some other where they're like, oh, it's. There could be another layer to this person.

[Damaris]

Yes, do that. But there's. I know mad like Julian knows boss.

[Rory Farrell]

Like there's a. There's another layer to it.

[Damaris]

I know mad male whores with. They have no embosses. A layer is crazy poor boss. I know male whores who have money. They have status. They have money.

[Rory Farrell]

Doesn't mean you could carry a conversation.

[Damaris]

Fun to be around. They have the. I know. Have the best conversation in the world, but they are whores, and they know that they are whores. Women would love for them to be more, but they're whores. Once you're recognized as a whore in the streets and your small town know that you're a same thing with women. You have to get rid of that stain. They have to know you as that. That's flying.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all missing it. All you got to do is get a bitch that could fight. Once you get a girl that could fight, the mother is going to disappear. They not going to talk to you.

[Rory Farrell]

Every advice is just so bad.

[Joe Budden]

I said get a girl that know.

[Damaris]

How to fight dick publicly.

[Joe Budden]

So I'm telling you, you know a girl that suck dick publicly. What's her name?

[Rory Farrell]

Only fans.

[Damaris]

I said I'm the only girl. I'm the only person on this podcast that sucks dick. I'm telling you how to get women to fall in love.

[Julian]

She added publicly. That was a shot.

[Joe Budden]

I'm.

[Julian]

That was a shot.

[Damaris]

I'm telling you.

[Joe Budden]

I want to get women because I.

[Damaris]

Just heard, like, when you did it publicly, it may be toxic.

[Julian]

No, you mean knowingly. I know knowingly is the right word.

[Damaris]

I know. I admit to it publicly. That's what I'm talking about. But it might be toxic.

[Joe Budden]

Breaking news. Damaris has a grown woman. A grown woman has sucked dick before.

[Rory Farrell]

Whoa.

[Damaris]

Anyway, listen to me. I'm telling you, you want stop looking at you like that. You got to give them another point of reference, man.

[Joe Budden]

Get a girl that could fight.

[Damaris]

That's it. That's all.

[Joe Budden]

Most advice is so bad, I'm telling you, right? Y'all be thinking I'm joking. All right? I bet you if you get a girlfriend that could fight, he could be like, yo, chicks, don't even talk to me.

[Rory Farrell]

You can't get a girlfriend. The whole point is to then go find one that's Ali's daughter.

[Damaris]

Yeah, and I bet a million dollars he can't get a girlfriend. It's just that the. That, like, him, he don't want.

[Julian]

Well, that's a fact.

[Joe Budden]

Isn't that how to always go.

[Julian]

He's got to take care of something other than himself. I don't know if you have a pet, sir, but I think it's time.

[Damaris]

To get a dog.

[Julian]

In my case, get plants.

[Joe Budden]

Take care of no plant.

[Julian]

No, I'm just saying, like, you need to be. If you're. If you're trying to unlearn being selfish.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, okay.

[Julian]

And just being. Being literally a dick to fuck and then leave. You need something that is in your life consistently to take care of other than yourself. Get plants first. And then, obviously, when you bring a woman that matters in your life to your apartment, she sees plants. That's a good thing.

[Rory Farrell]

So anytime you, like, run into somebody that's in a healthy marriage, the first thing they'd be like, well, I started with a ficus.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. See why you always do this, dude?

[Rory Farrell]

You do the same to me.

[Julian]

It's different when I do it.

[Joe Budden]

It is.

[Damaris]

It's cooling.

[Joe Budden]

I'm letting y'all know right now when. When Jermaine Cole decided to do it, it's gonna be a lot different.

[Rory Farrell]

He's definitely rapping about ficus plants in terms of bicus.

[Julian]

You could bite. But, yeah, all right.

[Joe Budden]

Remember I said it.

[Rory Farrell]

I'm. I'm even mad that Damaris tried to take a personal shot at me.

[Joe Budden]

Because.

[Rory Farrell]

I know how to carry a conversation. She's no mad. Hoes at a good time N. Those type of male hoes try to hide behind their vacations and their monies. Like, you don't really need to have a real conversation with a. When you take her to Turks.

[Joe Budden]

Give me my money.

[Rory Farrell]

Jersey City. Getting it in.

[Julian]

Rory had a path train.

[Rory Farrell]

My personality got me here. I could never hide behind the money or the vacation. I was sitting here. These liked me.

[Joe Budden]

So much trauma. So much. So much trauma.

[Julian]

Trenton and Wee Hawking.

[Joe Budden]

So much trauma in the room. Why is there so much Trauma in here.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah, I was a hoe with substance. All right, yo. All right, Rory, I've never been to doctor. I don't even been to the heights.

[Joe Budden]

You got to own your wholeness, that's all.

[Damaris]

Yeah, and once you get a girlfriend and you've been with her for a while, your wholeness can get deleted.

[Julian]

Did you ever date a girl that used to beat up women?

[Joe Budden]

Huh?

[Julian]

Did you ever date a girl that used to fight other women?

[Joe Budden]

I had no choice. She was about to beat me up. I was a victim.

[Julian]

You threw a woman instead.

[Damaris]

It's either you or that.

[Joe Budden]

It's either you going to give me this dick or you going to get put to sleep too. I said, well, I'm. We bend over, cuz. I'm not getting knocked out that you.

[Rory Farrell]

And Evan are so cool.

[Joe Budden]

I just.

[Rory Farrell]

This never happened to me.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, man, you got. Got to keep a girl. You got to keep a girl in your roster that know how fight. Are you kidding me?

[Rory Farrell]

No, I agree there.

[Damaris]

Well, you are not dating no women at your big age that know how to.

[Joe Budden]

No, not now. I'm not dating. I'm not looking to date a woman now that knows how to fight.

[Rory Farrell]

Like, why. Wait, why? I'm confused. Why? That's a quality that, like, there's like, nice women that are wifey material that just happen to know how to fight.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Rory Farrell]

What's wrong with that?

[Joe Budden]

I'm talking about the ones that like.

[Rory Farrell]

Like, look to fight.

[Joe Budden]

The ones that's like, yo. What she said? She didn't say nothing. Like, like, yo. That woman didn't say anything to you Fight the server. Yeah, it's like, yo. Yeah, it's like, like, yo, chill, bro. We not. No, we're not doing. No, but I've. I've dated girls like that. The 100. Absolutely. But no, now headaches. But yeah, a lot of girls, women fight other.

[Rory Farrell]

Oh, my God.

[Julian]

No, please, Evan, meet people that aren't in the club or outside.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. If you go into the club still, like, if you.

[Julian]

If you think you're gonna.

[Rory Farrell]

I mean, how many, like, how many women do you know that are all just getting out of relationships? You need to take some accountability of. Of who you're surrounding yourself with.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, he sounds like a gigolo. That's like trying to get out the game.

[Damaris]

Evan, sweetie, as long as you have personality and eventually you will find a woman that is into what you're into, but to get the stain off and stop being looked at as dick, go wife. One of them girls that's in Your inbox that you.

[Joe Budden]

He's gonna have to get a. That is trying not to be a herself anymore.

[Damaris]

Oh, those are best relationships.

[Julian]

This is how to former.

[Damaris]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Budden]

He's gonna have to go because then they could together. They could be like, yo, I really want to somebody else, but I'm not gonna do it.

[Damaris]

It's like having a sponsor.

[Julian]

That's like when the. The couple that meets in rehab. That always works out perfectly.

[Joe Budden]

It works out.

[Julian]

Yeah. They needle again.

[Rory Farrell]

That's legitimately the Take care song by Drake and Rihanna.

[Julian]

I know you've been hurt by someone else.

[Rory Farrell]

That entire song is both of us are hoes, but at least we're good for each other.

[Damaris]

I've asked about you and they've told me things. I've asked about you.

[Rory Farrell]

That song is so.

[Damaris]

I still feel the same. Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

He needs to live. He needs to live to take care of something. Go find you a girl that you've heard some things, but you don't care.

[Julian]

They don't get you.

[Rory Farrell]

Like, she's heard things about you as well.

[Joe Budden]

That shit's hard, and I don't care here.

[Rory Farrell]

We're just here for each other.

[Damaris]

That's for them. What's a life without marriages? Don't be so ashamed.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't ready to say I get.

[Rory Farrell]

It, but I quoted the song.

[Joe Budden]

I get it, but if one of my homies wi wife a known. I'm laughing.

[Rory Farrell]

Like, and how quickly do you tell him?

[Julian]

Like, that's wife.

[Rory Farrell]

Nah, you shouldn't do that.

[Joe Budden]

As soon as I see him dating.

[Damaris]

Her, I think why she was whoring. Depends.

[Rory Farrell]

But sometimes you can't tell when your man's is like, in that gray area of is he just her? No. You asked is, yo, what's a wife?

[Joe Budden]

Yo, what's up with you and shorty? Yo, he like, yo, dog, I ain't gonna lie, yo, I like her. Really?

[Rory Farrell]

Are you gonna be bold enough to just straight up tell you that she's a sir?

[Joe Budden]

If you one of my, like, close friends. Yeah, that's how we give it up to each other. Me and my, like, close friends that grew up with you. Ain't none of that sugar coating. I agree. She's a hoe. I don't know if you know that. Not saying that.

[Damaris]

And what if he said, all right, that was her past. I don't give a salute.

[Joe Budden]

But when start giggling when you and her walk in the set, you can't be. You can't be mad.

[Rory Farrell]

What if he replies with how you know?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, how I don't know outside. I mean, I'm in the streets.

[Rory Farrell]

I'm just trying to come up with scenarios.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, no, how. How you. How you don't know. That would be my rebuttal. Like how you don't.

[Rory Farrell]

That would sting.

[Damaris]

That would sting.

[Joe Budden]

Like how you don't know.

[Rory Farrell]

I would just play the Take Care song.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, like. But you know, have fun, do your thing.

[Damaris]

You know, be wife and whores, they said. People always say you can't say a horror to a housewife. But every night I know that wife, the whore. Love that whore. They had the best fun. That was his best relationship.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, they do have good relationships until they just.

[Damaris]

If she for money, if she's a for money, then I wouldn't trust her. But if she was a hoe, just. Cause like she ain't know no better.

[Joe Budden]

She ain't no.

[Rory Farrell]

She's for Evans.

[Julian]

Then she doesn't know no better.

[Damaris]

She didn't know any better.

[Julian]

So you're saying she wasn't in it for.

[Joe Budden]

You knew them seven standing outside that door. You shouldn't have. Them seven.

[Damaris]

Oh, seven.

[Rory Farrell]

Wait, like as a crew, just seven of them. Chilling.

[Julian]

God, man.

[Damaris]

Okay, that's.

[Rory Farrell]

That's a lot.

[Damaris]

So many extremes I'm talking about. That's on the extreme.

[Joe Budden]

Like what type of hoe you talking about? Cuz that's a hoe to me.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

That'S a big if. Like that's the gauge of hoe then I only know angels. I don't think I've ever met a hoe.

[Joe Budden]

You don't think. You think you've ever been in a relationship with a girl that had a train ride on them?

[Rory Farrell]

I hope to God I haven't. I'll put it this way, I've had no knowledge. That's all you can do.

[Damaris]

Pray for.

[Rory Farrell]

That's all you can do.

[Joe Budden]

God, if you listen to. Please don't let this.

[Rory Farrell]

Is there anything else you could do?

[Julian]

You think you never broke bread with a train chicken?

[Rory Farrell]

I probably broke bread with a girl that's been trained before.

[Damaris]

Breaking bread is so funny.

[Rory Farrell]

Like ate a meal with a girl that's had a train ran on her. Yes, I've probably done that before. Yeah, that's that crazy.

[Julian]

You know any women personally that I've had Trains ran on them.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, absolutely. Are you kidding me?

[Julian]

Damn. I don't think I do.

[Rory Farrell]

You probably do.

[Julian]

No, I mean like knowingly, like I. I'm sure I do. I just don't know who of my.

[Joe Budden]

I'm cool with a girl that Had a train ran on her and she don't know that I know she had a train ran on and I would never tell her that. I know that.

[Rory Farrell]

I've never been in that position, but I feel like all the girls I've known, they've known. I've known that was. She.

[Joe Budden]

She was.

[Rory Farrell]

She was like the caboose.

[Joe Budden]

She was with the train. Like, she wasn't. Like, she was, you know, ain't. She wasn't drunk and passed out.

[Rory Farrell]

No, no.

[Joe Budden]

Did it. I'm just saying, like, she knew. Like she was just, you know, she was in that moment in her life where she was just having fun. So, yeah, it happens. But, Evan, find a girl. Stop hanging out wherever you hanging out at. You gotta completely change your lifestyle. You gotta completely change your energy. People only gonna treat you the way you treat yourself. So. All right, Evan. Well, good luck, man. Hopefully, you know, you change your lifestyle, you start hanging out different places, people only gonna treat you the way you treat yourself. So, you know, you gotta change. You gotta change yourself if you want women to change the way they approach you and the energy that they approach you with. So call us back and let us know. Call us back in about two, three months. Let us know what the update is.

[Rory Farrell]

And always remember, it's in the Bible. Only women can be hoes. Men can't. So you're actually. That's an upstanding book of David, I believe. Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, got it. Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

You're an upstanding Catholic man. Really, at the end of the day. So don't. Don't beat yourself up over this. Yeah, they're horse. You're not. No, he's a hundred.

[Joe Budden]

He's a whore.

[Rory Farrell]

100.

[Joe Budden]

It's okay.

[Julian]

But they made him whore.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah, they made him a whore.

[Joe Budden]

He's a product of his environment. He's a product.

[Rory Farrell]

It was like when Eve, you know, bit the apple and like, tried to get at him to do some.

[Joe Budden]

It's like black on black crime. Like, we can only kill each other because we live next.

[Julian]

He was a straight A student until these met him.

[Rory Farrell]

It's like black on black crime.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, they say black on black crimes. Well, we live right here in the same. Who else are we going to kill?

[Julian]

It's a vicious cycle.

[Joe Budden]

It's a vicious cycle. It is. Let's get the out of here, man. We'll talk to y'all soon. We got a lot of to talk about. We've been gone for a few days, so. So that's what happens when you're going from the culture for a few days. Happens. But we'll be back in a couple days to talk to y'all. Enjoy your weekend. Be safe, be blessed. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. Peace. No warrior now.