Episode 262 | Kanye Joins The Ride

Summary

Episode Summary: New Rory & MAL – Episode 262 | Kanye Joins The Ride

Release Date: April 23, 2024

In Episode 262 of New Rory & MAL, hosted by iHeartPodcasts and The Volume, Rory and Mal delve deep into the evolving landscape of rap battles, spotlighting the latest headline: Kanye West joining "The Ride", a high-stakes feud involving industry heavyweights Drake and Kendrick Lamar. This episode navigates through the intricate layers of AI involvement in modern diss tracks, media narrative manipulation, and the potential ramifications of Kanye's entry into the fray.

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1. Drake's AI Diss Track and Technological Innovations

The conversation kicks off with a heated discussion about Drake's recent move to incorporate Artificial Intelligence (AI) into his diss tracks. Drake's latest release features AI-generated verses purportedly from legends like Snoop Dogg and Tupac Shakur, stirring controversy and debate within the hip-hop community.

• Julian ([02:49]): "So for those that don't know, over the weekend, Drake put out an AI. Would you call it an AI record? An AI Diss."

• Mal ([03:04]): "Used AI audio filter."

The hosts explore the implications of using AI to resurrect voices of deceased artists, questioning the authenticity and ethical considerations of such practices. They ponder whether this technological leap represents a new era in rap battles or a gimmick that undermines the art's raw authenticity.

2. Control of Narrative and Media Manipulation

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to examining Drake's influence over media narratives. There are growing accusations that Drake is leveraging his relationships with media personalities to sway public perception and control the storyline of the beef with Kendrick Lamar.

• Julian ([04:38]): "I want to ask you. Do you think that Drake is using media personalities to push a narrative to the world?"

• Mal ([07:14]): "He has put out music and not say nothing to nobody... People say Drake is trying to control the narrative by speaking to media personalities."

The discussion underscores the strategic moves artists employ off the mic to gain an upper hand in competitive rap dynamics, suggesting that Drake's maneuvers may be a calculated effort to maintain his dominance in the industry.

3. Kanye West's Strategic Entry into the Feud

The episode takes a pivotal turn as the hosts speculate on the consequences of Kanye West joining "The Ride". Kanye's involvement is seen as a game-changer, potentially escalating the feud to unprecedented heights.

• Mal ([41:07]): "This is the Royal rumble. This is when you're watching people in the ring fight, and all of a sudden you hear the theme song drop and you're like, oh, shit, it's Hulk Hogan."

Kanye's reputation for unpredictability and his influential stature in both music and fashion make his entry a focal point. The hosts debate whether Kanye is aiming to outshine both Drake and Kendrick, or if he's seeking to inject a fresh dynamic into the ongoing battle.

4. Kendrick Lamar's Position and Possible Strategies

Kendrick Lamar's silence in the feud has sparked widespread speculation about his next move. Rory, Mal, and Julian discuss whether Kendrick is strategically biding his time, concealing information, or possibly preparing a counter-response that could redefine the battle's trajectory.

• Mal ([26:04]): "I think he heard something on that record that he's like, oh, he knows. What else does he know?"

• Julian ([27:04]): "I think Kendrick's strategy initially was probably what Drake's strategy is now. I have records. Let me know when you're ready because I got some."

The conversation suggests that Kendrick may be orchestrating a multi-faceted response, potentially involving new records or innovative approaches to counter Drake's and now Kanye's aggressive tactics.

5. Ethical Implications of AI in Music and Voice Usage

Continuing the discourse on AI, the hosts raise concerns about the use of artists' voices without explicit consent, especially posthumously. They discuss the potential legal and moral boundaries that AI advancements are pushing within the music industry.

• Julian ([37:30]): "I did hear that Beans is gonna use his own AI voice to sound like he used to sound before his health issues."

• Mal ([37:53]): "No, that's his voice."

The debate highlights the thin line between creative innovation and ethical responsibility, questioning whether the industry is equipped to handle the complexities introduced by AI-generated music.

6. Hip-Hop Community's Reaction and Fan Dynamics

The episode also touches upon fan reactions and the broader hip-hop community's response to the escalating feud. There's a discussion on how alliances form, how fans perceive betrayals, and the overall impact on the artists' reputations.

• Mal ([51:04]): "But see, that's what's supposed to happen. I'm not mad at the goalpost being moved. I'm not mad at that. I just laugh because you're gonna see it from J. Cole fans, you're gonna see it from Kendrick fans, you're gonna see it from Drake fans."

This segment underscores the communal aspect of hip-hop battles, where fan bases play a crucial role in amplifying tensions and supporting their favored artists.

7. Conclusion: The Future of "The Ride" and Anticipated Developments

As the episode wraps up, Rory, Mal, and Julian express their anticipation for Kendrick Lamar's potential responses and Kanye's further involvement. They remain optimistic yet wary of how the feud will unfold, emphasizing the unpredictable nature of rap battles.

• Julian ([85:20]): "So let's just stop. He won't respond."

• Mal ([85:23]): "No, you haven't."

The hosts conclude by acknowledging the entertainment value of such feuds while reflecting on the evolving dynamics influenced by technology and strategic media interactions.

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Notable Quotes:

• Julian ([02:49]): "So for those that don't know, over the weekend, Drake put out an AI. Would you call it an AI record? An AI Diss."

• Mal ([03:04]): "Used AI audio filter."

• Julian ([04:38]): "Do you think that Drake is using media personalities to push a narrative to the world?"

• Mal ([07:14]): "People say Drake is trying to control the narrative by speaking to media personalities."

• Mal ([41:07]): "This is the Royal rumble. This is when you're watching people in the ring fight..."

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This episode offers a comprehensive exploration of the intersection between technology and artistry in modern rap battles, providing listeners with insightful perspectives on how iconic figures like Drake, Kendrick Lamar, and Kanye West navigate and shape the competitive landscape of hip-hop.

Transcript

[Rory]

I'm not. See, now you're still mad about people killing you.

[Mal]

I'm just saying, whenever you don't let them get.

[Rory]

No, no, no.

[Mal]

Whenever you speak facts. Whenever you speak facts. It's called ride.

[Rory]

No, it is.

[Julian]

Is that a. I mean, you can factually ride. I'm not saying you're doing that, but. I'm not saying you're doing that, but you can do you guys just hit heads?

[Rory]

We just had each other.

[Damaris]

No worrying now.

[Mal]

Who wants smoke with me? Who wants smoke with me? Who wants smoke with me? Who wants Smok.

[Julian]

Mall? Streets are saying that you on that Snoop Dogg verse.

[Mal]

That's. They're saying that that's me.

[Julian]

Yes, that's what. That's what the streets are saying. Are you here to debunk that? That is not you.

[Mal]

Oh, you talking about Taylor made?

[Julian]

Yes.

[Mal]

Okay. No, that is not me.

[Julian]

Is okay. I thought your silence might be an answer.

[Mal]

No, no, no. That's not. That's not me.

[Julian]

They were saying by. Judging by the cadence, that that AI verse was you actually rapping.

[Mal]

Yes, My flow.

[Julian]

Mm.

[Mal]

No, that's not my fault.

[Rory]

Especially when you said nephew. That's like your thing.

[Mal]

I got a lot of nephews, so. Yeah, that makes sense.

[Julian]

Things are starting to add up.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Do you have information for us today?

[Mal]

I never have information.

[Julian]

Okay, well, we. We saw a little Easter egg on the last episode that came out in regards to this. You did drop the word Taylor. And then on what? Friday. Saturday.

[Rory]

Saturday.

[Julian]

Saturday. We get a tailor made freestyle. So I'm going to be watching every last word you say today and overanalyzing it.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Julian]

I'm gonna be a redditor today.

[Mal]

Oh, no, that's. That's what's up.

[Julian]

That's what's up.

[Mal]

What's up? What's up?

[Julian]

Okay.

[Mal]

Right.

[Julian]

Yo.

[Mal]

Something in there, right?

[Julian]

Write that one down. There's something in there.

[Mal]

There's something in there.

[Julian]

And how are you, man?

[Mal]

I'm good, man.

[Julian]

Welcome back. New episode. My daughter got me sick, so apologies. A little under the weather.

[Mal]

Don't worry about it.

[Julian]

Yeah, you know, they just. They spit in your face and kids a little germ. It's. It's over. Little Rugrats over after that. But still the beef continues. I was happy this weekend that we did get.

[Mal]

It's not Beef.

[Julian]

It's rat beef.

[Mal]

Oh, it's not. This is.

[Julian]

Then what is it?

[Rory]

What are we. What mall.

[Mal]

It's not Beef.

[Julian]

Rat feud.

[Mal]

This is. I think this is a battle for positioning is what this is. It's not beef.

[Julian]

That's beef, though.

[Rory]

That's beef.

[Mal]

Nah, that's. I know beef. That ain't beef, but rap beef.

[Julian]

No, I know the Biggie song, too. I know rap beef, too. I'm sure Drake is starting his Jeep with no worries in the world. I know this isn't real beef, but this is rap beef 100%.

[Mal]

I mean, well, according to you, it's not beef until somebody engages. Right.

[Julian]

There's been shots. One. One person has.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Julian]

And we're still awaiting the other. So for those that don't know, over the weekend, Drake put out an AI. Would you call it an AI record? Nai Diss.

[Mal]

He used technology to make a very clever move. Yeah.

[Julian]

Damaris, you look flustered.

[Damaris]

Because it's AI. Why are you saying, is it AI?

[Julian]

Is it a diss? Is what I'm saying? Like, this is a new thing. We've never. We can't just coin it that it's AI.

[Rory]

He was.

[Julian]

He was on it, too. So I don't know. Is it an AI?

[Rory]

Drake wrote Snoop and Tupac's first, but.

[Mal]

Used AI audio filter.

[Rory]

The audio filter is erroneous. It means nothing. He's just. You just did it. To speak from the perspective of other two guys. But it's a Drake. This. It's three verses of him shooting at Kendrick. That's what it is. It's still a Drake. This. I'm not. See, now you're still mad about people killing you.

[Mal]

I'm just saying, whenever you.

[Rory]

Don't let them get. No, no.

[Mal]

Whenever you speak facts. Whenever you speak facts. It's called ride. No, it is.

[Rory]

Is that.

[Julian]

I mean, you can factually ride. I'm not saying you're doing it, but. Not saying you're doing that, but you can. Do you guys just hit heads?

[Rory]

We just head each other.

[Julian]

You could factually ride, I think.

[Mal]

Sorry, D. I mean, well, if that's what you want to do. I mean, I just thought I was speaking.

[Rory]

No, it's a. I agree.

[Julian]

I don't think you're doing that.

[Rory]

It's a clever way to. To just take more shots. I think it's brilliant just considering using technology where everything seems speculative and no one knows what's real or what's not. Just leaning into it, but at the end of the day, it's just another Drake song.

[Julian]

I don't think you could be considered writing if you're. You've been correct through everything, because at that point, you're just telling the truth.

[Mal]

No, that's when you really riding. That's when you throw.

[Julian]

When you write.

[Mal]

Yeah, when you write. That's when you throw in your bike.

[Julian]

When you're giving factual points.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's what I mean. This is just the new shit that's going on. It's just. I don't know when this started, but when you're right, you're speaking facts, you're writing. And if you're speaking real, keep riding, Mal.

[Rory]

You're doing great.

[Mal]

You're throwing it back.

[Julian]

At that point, before we.

[Mal]

I'm here today to just listen to what everybody else feels about.

[Julian]

No, I have a question for you before we do get to this AI dis, I want to ask you. Do you think that Drake is using media personalities to push a narrative to the world?

[Mal]

What's the narrative?

[Julian]

Control the narrative. We know what controlling a narrative is when you have platforms and you're speaking to them. We see it with fake news, we see it with real news. We know when someone is behind the scenes trying to control a narrative. I'm asking because Drake is being accused of that, not just with this podcast, but other platforms as well, for manipulating the narrative by speaking to media personalities. He's being accused of it.

[Mal]

What is. What is the manipulation? There's only one person putting out music right now.

[Rory]

No, no, Mal. I think to Drake, I think because of Kendrick's silence, people are just creating reasons why he might be quiet. You know what I mean? It's just like the speculative. Kendrick's afraid. Kendrick's. This. Kendrick's fill in the blank.

[Mal]

What does that have to do with Drake manipulating.

[Rory]

It has no. Well, it's. Well, like an election. You dispute narratives about people that if there's an inkling of truth, you just run with it and, like, pull the thread and just make that, like, the storyline.

[Julian]

He's being accused, more or less, of speaking to multiple. I don't even want to say just podcasts or streamers, just people in the media. And because of that, the media is more or less taking his side because they can be a mouthpiece, because they're only speaking to Drake and no one else.

[Mal]

There's only one side, though, to take.

[Julian]

Why do you say that? Because they'll. They'll clip that right to the.

[Rory]

To this specific beef. We can't even say anything about.

[Mal]

Nothing to say about. Kendrick said anything. He's not putting out any music. So when you. When they say Drake is trying to manipulate, what is he trying to manipulate? There's no. Kendrick has said nothing. He has put out no music.

[Julian]

I Think with the speculation that there was some, like, big missile or nuke on the way, which we haven't seen, which Drake has said in the records, like, it could go there. I'm trying to keep it PG now, but don't wake the demon up.

[Mal]

Drake has said that months ago in Red Button.

[Julian]

I agree. I'm telling you what people are accusing him of. And I'm asking you a question.

[Mal]

I'm not them, but this is what people will do when their other horse or whoever they thought would win the race is not racing. So now they gotta find something to say and attach it to. Oh, you know, he's trying to control the narrative. He's being. He's sending the songs to streamers and it's like, well, no, he's actively in a battle now. What is he supposed to do?

[Julian]

All right, let's say, for example, drop.

[Mal]

Music and not say nothing to nobody.

[Julian]

Let's just use this podcast as a hypothetical. Let's say Kendrick reaches out to me and starts giving me information of what he's about to do, and then I come on here to start the narrative that Kendrick has some crazy about Drake. It's on the way to build the hype up around that, to try to shift the conversation over to the favor of Kendrick.

[Mal]

Do that.

[Julian]

I'm not saying I have the power to do that, but.

[Mal]

But didn't.

[Julian]

That's what manipulating the media is like?

[Mal]

Didn't Kendrick do that already?

[Julian]

What do you mean?

[Mal]

I've heard some other podcasters talking about Kendrick and him having a nuke and all this other shit.

[Julian]

And you do think that they're speaking to Kendrick directly?

[Mal]

I don't know. I don't know. I'm just. I'm just trying to figure out, like, I don't. I didn't hear what you heard about Drake. It's just like, I didn't hear that.

[Julian]

So I guess it's kind of similar to, like, remember, like, what Angie used to be accused of, even though we know it's not true. But Angie Martinez used to get some flack for maybe having too close of a relationship with hov, so there she could be somewhat of a mouthpiece when HOV didn't want to speak about certain stuff. Now we know that was not completely true. Even though she does have good relationship with him. She was always objective, from what I saw. I think it's very similar to that now it's almost on some, like, payola, where people. Even though we know Flex didn't take payola. Yeah, they're Paying flex. He's on the take just to. To push this shit.

[Mal]

That's what people say when their guy is losing. They want to point at other things and other reasons why this guy may be losing or why it may appear that he's losing.

[Julian]

Okay.

[Mal]

But, I mean, there's not much to manipulate here. If it's only one person that's actively in the ring waiting on his opponent, what is there to manipulate? I'm in the ring. I'm putting out music. So I thought this is what you wanted. Yeah, I thought you had, you know, these two records waiting. I was on Tour. I did 87 cities now. Came home and came home and did and jumped right into this.

[Julian]

Now, right now, someone could accuse you of speaking for Drake in that exact sentencing.

[Mal]

Speaking of what happened, we. We just saw his tour in two weeks ago with. With Lil Wayne and J. Cole. Okay, right or wrong? Did his tour. Did he not just do the Prudential Center?

[Julian]

I'm here to ask questions so you can get your off in regards of the accusations that have been put a foot on the entire streaming and podcast world, not just you.

[Mal]

Oh, no, I mean, Drake.

[Julian]

Drake has us all on the take. He has us all in his back pocket. We're so happy that Drake is speaking to us, that we chose his side. Like, that's the accusations that are happening across.

[Mal]

Yeah, but it's just, you know, it's common sense. And I know that's mainly from DJ Head. I know that's not common, but it's just common sense. I mean, if one person is rapping, he's putting out music. After you asked for this, after Kendrick asked for this, after y'all said that Drake was on the clock when that future, when that, like, that verse dropped, y'all said Drake had four days to respond. Yeah, it took him two weeks. Y'all was killing him for two weeks. Then he responds. People say, oh, that wasn't hard. That wasn't hard enough. I see people talking about it. That wasn't, you know, enough. So then Drake drops another record, letting Kendrick know, like, yo, what's up? Like, what we do? Oh, I get it. I got it now. You can't put out music when Taylor puts out music. You're not even allowed to drop music.

[Julian]

Like the rest of us.

[Mal]

Just saying.

[Julian]

I'm just saying, himself included at the end, like, yo, I push my shit too.

[Mal]

I'm just saying, oh, I get it now. Now you're not putting out nothing this week. And so I got to wait a whole nother Week.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Before you might respond. So maybe this coming week you'll respond.

[Julian]

All right. I'm conflicted with this. This AI diss record.

[Mal]

Why are you conflicted?

[Julian]

I think it's a great strategy. I don't even consider it like a diss. If we put up all the songs at the end of this of like, what's going against what. To me, this is more of a troll. This is similar to like when he put all the memes up at the OVO fest with a meek. Yeah, I don't consider it that. I think this was a hilarious troll and a good way to adapt to the times that you live in with the AI shit. With his shit. And Kendrick's like, all right, let's. Let's lean into this and really make this hilarious.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

And it puts more pressure on Kendrick thought it was a good move. Is he co signing the AI shit? As someone that just went through that bullshit and has gone through that bullshit. Is he now co signing AI technology? I wouldn't say with pac with someone that passed that got no permission from anyone in the family.

[Mal]

Yeah, Snoop.

[Julian]

I mean, we don't know that. I'm gonna go ahead and assume with confidence. I'm just that he did not speak to the the. But by the way, I. Not really my place. Sick Snoop. We don't know if he was okay with this.

[Rory]

He replied.

[Julian]

What was Snoop's reply?

[Rory]

He didn't really say much. It was just a video of him. He posted something on his Instagram story. It was. There was nothing much like he just. It was this.

[Julian]

They did what?

[Mal]

When?

[Rory]

How so I'm sure it seems like he wasn't aware.

[Julian]

So with that being said, we already know. I forgot what podcast it was that Snoop was on and revealed how much money he made off a billion streams. It was like 40 grand or something. So we know that Snoop admittedly has been through some bad deals before, so he may not have even have permission to use his own voice because I can't see Drake doing something illegal at all when it comes to this type of shit. So now Drake is co signing legally being able to take somebody else's voice without their consent or artists that are in shitty deals where they can just go ask Lucian if I can go use the voice you own.

[Mal]

But this is not on streaming platforms.

[Rory]

Yeah, this is just a freestyle he didn't have to abide by.

[Mal]

Yeah, this is not.

[Julian]

I know, but it's still Drake and it still says something. And it still is another inch closer to it being more and More acceptable in dsps.

[Mal]

See, that's. That's. To me, that's just people just losing focus on what's going on here. I think that, you know, yes, people hear AI and then all of a sudden, oh, well, they're like, oh, no, we don't like that. I think in this way, that was actually Drake rapping. He wrote that. He just did it from a perspective of, you know, this is the guy that y'all crowned, the west coast savior at the House of Blues. Y'all crowned him the new King of the West. So he just used a unique way of kind of poking and antagonizing Kendrick. Like, yo, you can't let the OG Kings of the west coast down. You gotta. Where you at? You gotta do something. You gotta. You looking bad right now. I just thought it was a clever way of just having fun with the Internet.

[Julian]

It was a good way to subtly show the goalpost being moved as well. Cause I could sound like a hypocrite. I love the hard part 5. Kendrick used AI throughout the entire thing. I mean, I know he spoke to Nipsey's family before posting it, but, I mean, there were still a lot of other families of faces he used. That was A.I.

[Mal]

Well, and I did see.

[Julian]

I did see the timeline move. The goalpost of AI is bad when Drake does it, but when Kendrick does it, it's fine.

[Mal]

Somebody had a great tweet. They said Kendrick using AI and Drake. The way he used AI on the record was appreciation versus appropriation.

[Julian]

Okay, so you're saying Drake was appropriating?

[Mal]

I didn't say anything. That's who. That gentle. I guess that's what the gentleman that was tweeting. I just laughed at the reactions that I was getting. Drake is trying to destroy the music industry. And this, that, and the third. And I'm just like, how did y'all get all of that? Just from him having a moment of using AI to antagonize who they crowned as the new King of the West.

[Rory]

Did Drake. Pardon me. Did Kendrick use their voices, though? No, it was still Kendrick's voice.

[Mal]

No, it was still Kendrick's voice.

[Rory]

So this is just Kendrick's. Was.

[Julian]

AI is not just audio.

[Rory]

No, I know. Well, it's deep fake technology. That's what he used. But I'm saying using deep fake is not it. Like, the. It's not in this. Like, that's a visual aid. So still, technically, it's just.

[Julian]

Okay, speaking. I know. I know he got permission, but speaking as Nipsey regarding his own Murder with Nipsey's face on it, with his mannerisms. Like, yeah, that's.

[Rory]

No, I guess.

[Julian]

Yeah, that's not just using his face and rapping as Kendrick. He was rapping.

[Mal]

It's still using somebody's likeness. It is. No matter which way.

[Julian]

And. And their. And their perspective, which we don't know if that would be their actual perspective.

[Mal]

Right.

[Julian]

He's speaking as Nipsey about an incident that Nipsey cannot speak to us about as Nipsey. So it's moving of the goalpost. I mean, I know there's one got permission from a family and one didn't, but that's what.

[Mal]

That's what's supposed to happen. I'm not mad at the goalpost being moved. I'm not mad at that. I. I move them. I laugh. I just laugh at when it's moved. I'm not mad at it. I just laugh because you're gonna see it from J. Cole fans, you're gonna see it from Kendrick fans, you're gonna see it from Drake fans. So you just have to laugh at it. I'm never mad at people moving to goal post. It's just laughable because it's like, oh, now that it's not who you had winning the race that's ahead now, now it's your turn to move the goalpost. So it's just. This is all in fun. Like, none of this. This is not beef. This is not. You know, hopefully nobody's gonna get hurt behind any of this. This is just. I think what Drake was doing was using the new technology, using trolling, because he's been trolling since all of this happened, posting memes, and all of that is part of trolling. So he's trolling. He's using technology because there were AI records that supposedly leaked or didn't leak. That was AI. That wasn't. So I think just the whole moment of everything that's going on, this was Drake's way of kind of addressing all of that in a very clever and unique way. We've never seen that angle done in a quote unquote, hip hop rap beef.

[Julian]

And it's fine if. If people don't like it. I do get it. I can see someone looking at this and be like, this is kind of goofy. But I find those fans moving the goal post again for Rap Beef. Rap beef is goofy.

[Mal]

Do you think that was a goofy move?

[Julian]

No, I thought it.

[Mal]

It.

[Julian]

I like that Drake's adapting with the times. He's using something in rap beef. I'M not saying it's pushing the culture forward, but I like that he implemented something that is so controversial and part of the music industry now into traditional rap beef. I thought that was cool and a fun way to troll the same way with the memes. But I also thought it was goofy that Nas tried to hang Jay Z at a Power 105 concert. Like, this has been a goofiness, has been in the shit forever.

[Mal]

No, that was beyond goofiness. But that was.

[Julian]

That was. That was crazy.

[Mal]

I get what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah.

[Julian]

I'm glad they didn't let him do that.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Have you ever seen that BTS video of them?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Like, trying to put that together.

[Mal]

Insane.

[Julian]

It was also white people putting it together.

[Mal]

That's why I said. That's why I said it's beyond goofy. But, yeah.

[Julian]

So, no, I'm not comparing hanging Jay Z, fake hanging Jay Z to using AI, but this shit has been a part of it forever. Rap beef leads to goofy shit.

[Mal]

I just think that, you know, it was a. It was a cool move. I don't think that it was. Obviously he has another record, but this was just something in the meantime to let Kendrick know, like, yo, this is not going away. Like, this is a battle. Like, you wanted this. I'm entertaining it. I'm here now. I don't know what you're doing. I know you have records done, and we know how rap beef goes. When you hear, it's always kind of better to counter. Let me hear what you got. Then once I hear what you said, I can go back and tweak some of my verses and add some things that I can say. So I understand what Kendrick may be doing. I don't know if that's true, but I understand what he may be doing. But at the same time, I understand what Drake is doing. He's keeping his foot on the gas. Just because you're not responding doesn't mean I'm letting up.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

What's wrong with that?

[Rory]

What do you guys think about the angle he says? This line on the Tupac verse where he says, tell him he, like. Tell him he likes young girls. That's a gift for me. Something like that. I get the play Drake's trying to do is like The. The Eminem 8 mile approach. And. But I. I mean, that's the angle. We've discussed this previously. If you're gonna get Drake, that's the angle.

[Julian]

And I. I would say, yeah, of course he's trying to get ahead of it, but in that department that doesn't work to get ahead of. If Kendrick does find an angle and that ends up being true, which I. I don't think that's really, like, what Drake's past is. But, no, you can't get ahead of that. Like, there's no good. There's. That. There's no getting ahead. Like, no, he already said that. So Kendrick can't say it. If he did that, Kendrick can say it like, nah, don't use that line. Cause Drake did it as Tupac. There goes that point. Nah, nah, that's still a point.

[Mal]

But even that, I mean, listen, I don't know. I can't vouch for what people do behind their closed doors at night, but I highly doubt that that's true. So even if that is an angle, that's not gonna stick unless you have real evidence and proof of that being true.

[Julian]

Yeah, like, granted that, because that was real, that leaked text message between him and the Stranger Things girl or whatever, I thought that was weird. I would like an explanation at some point.

[Mal]

Not that I'm old, but that was kind of wild.

[Julian]

But I think. I don't know, maybe there would be a way for that to easily be cleaned up and we don't know. And this is not me on the take. Because if there really is something that's nasty.

[Damaris]

Well, what they were saying was that she was a girl who was a child star, and he, coming from the place of a child star, was trying to, like, mentor her.

[Julian]

And that's cool. And if that's really what it is, then this is an angle. We're just. We're just reaching.

[Mal]

Listen for shit at that point. I don't vouch for what any adults do behind their closed doors and in their bedrooms, because I'm not there. But I highly doubt that Drake has done anything with an underage girl. Highly doubt it. That would. That would be. That and a lot of shit doesn't surprise me. That would be a total surprise. So, I mean, I get it, you know, pictures and text messages. And if that's what Kendrick's angle is here, he better have some hardcore evidence that that is true. Because if not, you just now, you just swinging at flies, man. Like, it's like, all right, he has.

[Julian]

To take it to a different level outside of us seeing a leaked text message between him and a child actor.

[Mal]

Exactly.

[Julian]

Which I'm not mad at people questioning, yo, what the is that? That's a fine question to ask, and there should be an answer, but that can't be a whole dis. Reply like, I'm sure Kendrick could come up with a million stranger things flips and entendres.

[Mal]

Right.

[Julian]

But.

[Mal]

So this weekend is officially the amount of time that it took for Drake to respond to like that. Right? Correct. Is it this coming weekend? Mm. So if this weekend comes and goes and we don't get a response from Kendrick, what does the Kendrick. Was it skinfolk? Is that the name of his Skin folk?

[Rory]

That's crazy. Ken Folk.

[Mal]

Ken Folk. So what does the kinfolk start to say at that point?

[Damaris]

They're gonna say it's coming on. Well, they've been saying it's coming on the album.

[Mal]

They've been saying that they didn't even know an album was coming.

[Rory]

I was gonna say, when did they say that?

[Damaris]

Because that was all up and down my timeline. This weekend?

[Rory]

No, this weekend.

[Mal]

So this weekend it turned into, oh, no, he's going to respond on now.

[Rory]

Following Mall, all kind of alluding to Kendrick, not even kind of saying Kendrick's having an album, which, through extensive research, was not a rumor until Mall said. And now it's all over the place.

[Julian]

And you wonder why I asked him to clear up some things to make sure he wasn't on the take.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

No, I'm not. Listen, man, I'm just, you know, I'm just a goddess. Just, you know, listening and observing.

[Rory]

If he's doing this for not doing this for an album, but if he's using this to promote his album, I'm with it. Because there's.

[Mal]

There.

[Rory]

You'll never have more eyes on you than beefing with Drake.

[Julian]

Do we think?

[Damaris]

No, it's taking too long. If you shoot the first shot, the amount of time that people gave Drake makes sense. Drake didn't know a shot was coming. You shot the first shot. You can't shoot the first shot and be like, oh, I got to go buy more bullets.

[Julian]

Yeah, we're not. We're not.

[Rory]

Oh, I agree with you guys. I think. I think if the plan was for the album to come, what Mall said in May and I'm hearing sometime in June, maybe that's way too late. I don't care what the timeline is. You have to move it up. Considering this certain. This current situation, you have to push everything.

[Mal]

I'm all for, you know. Cause this is the music business, so it's the business of music. So I'm all for having an album and using things as a rollout. That's great. But when you've been asking for something and you've been kind of alluding that you wanted a little situation with somebody.

[Damaris]

For years, for 11 years.

[Mal]

And now that that person has responded and has given you this time and has stepped into the ring and said, okay, let's do this. I don't think you get to any longer play the. No, I'm just gonna wait till my album drops and I'll have something on the album.

[Julian]

I don't care who you are. You don't get that.

[Mal]

You don't. You know, you gotta give us. You can do that, but you gotta give us an appetizer.

[Julian]

Reply again on the album.

[Mal]

Yeah, reply again. But you gotta give us an appetizer and some hors d'oeuvres. Now, like that Taylor made shit, that was just a little hors d'oeuvre. Like, the fans were getting kind of, you know, like it was a troll.

[Julian]

It was an audio meme.

[Mal]

It was a troll. That's all it was. It was a troll. Having fun. I'm still here. This is not going away. I'm not gonna just, you know, let this disappear and just, like, be over with. No, you're gonna respond. We're gonna have this moment. Because again, like I said a couple weeks ago, Drake remembers what everybody said about the Pusha Beef, of course, and how they was like, oh, yeah, you lost because you didn't put the record out and you backed out. And this, that you went on the shop and all of these things. So now this one, this battle, he's approaching totally different. He's not letting his foot up. He's not going to sit on the shop. He has records done. Because it was like, oh, y'all didn't really understand when I said, oh. And people said, yo, that record can't come out because the things that are being said is going to cause real problems for people. So when he said that, everybody was like, oh, get the fuck outta here. It's a beef, it's a battle. Put the fucking record out. Da da da, da. Okay, the nice guy wanted to still be a nice guy. He didn't want to do that. This time around, though, there appears to be no nice guy. He doesn't give a fuck. He wants to do this. I'm gonna teach you a lesson. Everybody leave me the fuck alone. Because when it's time for me to go there, I can go there. I don't like to go there. I'm the biracial, cool, corny kid from Canada that really doesn't want to get in a beef with nobody. I just make hit records. But don't think That I can't still step into this battle arena and handle myself appropriately. And I think that's what this is. This is him saying, I'm not. This is not over with. This is not going to be over with. I'm not backing out. I am ready to put out another record as soon as you enter the ring with your record.

[Damaris]

To sum this up, do you guys. Do you think that Kendrick is hiding, or do you think that Kendrick is being strategic? Do you think that Drake has something on Kendrick that Kendrick is afraid of and that he's backing out, or do you think that Kendrick is just trying to be strategic? Because that's a argument I've been seeing.

[Mal]

I think it's a culmination of all.

[Julian]

Of that, I'd say.

[Mal]

I think he heard something on that record that he's like, oh, he knows. What else does he know? How much of that does he know? I think that he does have an album coming. So I think that this is all rollout shit. But I think it's a mixture of both scared of. Not physically scared, but scared of the way people will look at him coming out of that. And Drake said on Taylor Made, on his verse, the next one. The next one is gonna have people like he. So he's letting him know, like, yeah.

[Julian]

Which he did on the first one. And that's why, like, I don't even think it's having information or even speculating. I think Kendrick did have a whole strategic plan coming out of like that. And then I think he got privy to some information that people may know and had to re strategize. I don't think Kendrick's hiding. I don't think Kendrick is scared per se. I don't think he's scared of Drake to rap at Drake at all.

[Damaris]

Me either.

[Julian]

I think he just had to pivot and that's where this time difference is happening. I think what Kendrick's strategy initially was is probably what Drake's strategy is now. I have records. Let me know when you're ready because I got some. And I think Kendrick is now changing his strategy because things have changed a bit and it may get messier. And this is just putting pieces together stuff that we know that's out there from the verses or people that are around those camps publicly saying on timelines, I apologize to J. Cole over the weekend because once I'm seeing all this shit, I think Drake told Cole something that he knew and said, I'm going to take it there if it needs to go there. And Cole said, oh, Y'all doing that Bet I'm out. I thought we were just going to rap back and forth to each other. I not, I'm not taking it there.

[Rory]

We've, we've discussed it on the last episode, I believe we said when you enter a beef, you're inviting all the that comes with that. The next one is Drake's going to ruin his marriage. He's just, he's destroying their marriage.

[Julian]

I've seen that. I've seen that rumor on the timeline.

[Damaris]

Right, I've seen it too.

[Julian]

Yeah. So he just did a whole album, Mr. Morale, about ruining his marriage.

[Rory]

No different. He did it through the perspective of like art over some saxophone in jazz. And he, he, it's Grammy nominated. Like him and his wife. Him and his wife are together. The point is he did the album and they're still together.

[Julian]

She's at the end of the album saying he broke a generational curse.

[Rory]

Still married Drake and his auntie is still a man. Like, so Drake's gonna have his man aunt do a verse on the next wreck. I don't know.

[Julian]

I'm saying, cuz I've seen that rumor, Julian and I, I don't think I thought about.

[Rory]

I was like, how much place left to go?

[Julian]

Unless it's like a side baby. And like Drake's like, finally someone else can get their child revealed. I don't think he could be like, yo, you was cheating on your wife. Because Kendrick has a whole album saying, yo, I was cheating on my wife non fucking stop. I fucked every white bitch in Copenhagen, every last one of them.

[Mal]

I think that this is, I think in a weird way I'm baking on. Kendrick didn't expect this to turn into what it's turned into.

[Damaris]

It's a lot going on. I don't think he's.

[Mal]

I think that Kendrick, I think that Kendrick thought like Drake has always done when he's, you know, said little. Kendrick has said, you know, things alluding that he wanted an issue or a battle. I think that he expected Drake to just let that one fly over his head. And I think that when Drake responded the way he did, that made Kendrick. Now do I believe Kendrick has records and bars aimed at Drake? Of course. I think every rapper has bars aimed at other rappers. Especially Drake now. Well, especially Drake. But now that it's on and it's. And Drake is, you know, he wants this moment, I think Kendrick is again re. Strategizing, writing, maybe recording some different bars and things like that. But I think that somewhere in this we find out that Kendrick didn't think that it was going to turn into this.

[Julian]

Speaking of people accused of being on the take, three friends of the show, DJ Head, Daylight Absol, all friends of the show, them tweeting or alluding to something throughout these last few weeks. Do you think that's been hurting Kendrick or helping him?

[Mal]

Hurting?

[Julian]

I completely agree because I don't think.

[Mal]

I don't think Kendrick speaks to any of those gentlemen.

[Julian]

You don't think him and Soul are still cool?

[Mal]

What's cool?

[Julian]

We could be cool, speak on a everyday basis. But then again, in these type of times, Kendrick's probably not talking to anyone, you know, cool.

[Mal]

Like, it's not beef. But I don't think that Kendrick is in communication with these gentlemen like that. I think that obviously, you know, they speak, but I don't think it's a day to day in the studio with him right now. What is he on? How's he feeling? I don't think it's. Look at that.

[Julian]

I've liked Punch's approach of just like, I don't know anything. I just know Kendrick's a great rapper. So, like, what are we talking about?

[Mal]

Yeah, I mean that's, that's typically where you should stand behind.

[Julian]

And I'm not saying DJ Head, Daylight or Absol are saying that they're talking to Kendrick. I'm just letting them. Letting them know how it's coming across outside, looking in. When I read something like, is he talking to die about this? Like, I think it's looking worse because when Daylight puts. Puts a tweet out and then there's no record for three days and then Absol puts one out on like a Sunday night. I'm like, oh, it's coming tonight. And then nothing happens to me. That was like when Flex was on the radio like, yo, I got the Meek Mill disc but didn't have it yet. So we all sat on the radio for three hours while Flex kept lying about having the record. And guess what? The record never came out. And Meek and Flex looked insane. Flex did not do Meek any favors by doing that. I think that's how this looks with a lot of people on Twitter.

[Mal]

Why is Head tweeting that? Why is he. Why is he tweeting that Drake has been scared to come outside over a decade?

[Julian]

You'd have to ask either head.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I think he's referring to Kendrick.

[Mal]

No, he said the Canadian responded, after over a decade of being dared to come outside.

[Damaris]

Yeah. By Kendrick.

[Mal]

Drake has been outside for 15 years.

[Damaris]

I think he's talking about to come outside and rap against Kendrick. That's what I think he's talking about. I think he's been saying, kendall, Kendrick has been shooting, shooting, shooting, shooting, shooting. And you finally shot back. I don't think that that's true at all. They've been going back and forth with.

[Julian]

Subs, Been daring them, too. Like, they both. What we could all agree on is they both just been throwing subs, and somebody needed to finally take it, which is why I was happy. Kendrick, did they like that?

[Rory]

I agree with what Rory said about the whole, like, Meek Flex analogy, because there was a moment on Twitter when DJ how was talking about, like, it doesn't count. It's not on dsps. It just. It was bad. It was a bad look because it was like an hour, two hours later, it was on dsps and he goes, oh, we can officially start the clock. I guess it's like, just if you never said that, people wouldn't look at.

[Mal]

It a certain way, but you jumped out and now it looks worse about the goal post. That's why you got to just laugh when it happens. You can't get mad. You got to just laugh. Like, I understand why Head posted that. I get it. That's your guy. It's the West Coast. You're going to ride with him. He's supposed to do that. But once you do that, it's like, okay, we can talk about what you're saying and prove that what you're saying is wrong.

[Rory]

I agree.

[Mal]

Drake has been throwing shots, the same shots Kendrick throw. Drake has thrown some back. So what are we talking about? This whole thing is just interesting to watch and just see people that have their favorites in their alliances and the stances they take and the things that they say. Because, again, this is all entertainment. This is all entertainment. We're supposed to have fun with this, laugh at this, and then ultimately enjoy whatever these artists put forward. And I think that when Kendrick, when and if he decides to respond to this, I'm sure he'll be rapping his ass off. I'm sure the flows will be great, and he'll be showing us why he is who he is. I just don't know if. Because he runs the danger of running into. If he waits too long and then he drops it, then his fan base saying, yo, you made us wait for that.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that's gonna happen regardless.

[Mal]

That becomes a thing. Yo, you made us wait that long for that.

[Julian]

That's where it gets scared. Like, you get a little bit of grace if you come. Really, the Next day, you get a little bit more grace of like, all right, cool. Let's see where this goes. That's why the Ross shit. I was like, that was cool. That was funny. If Ross replied today with that same thing, I'd be like, all right, bro.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

For what?

[Mal]

I just only didn't. You know, selfishly, I didn't like the Ross response because I do want music from them two together again.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

So I don't. I'm. You know, I don't know where it's going with them as far as the memes. And, you know, sometimes even through jokes, people say things and you'll never forget what they said. Like, like, nah, you've been waiting to get that off, though. You've been waiting to say my house was small. You know what I'm saying? You've been waiting for that. So hopefully through that, because I still would love that YOLO album. I'd say I. I would love it. I just don't know where, you know, now things stand.

[Julian]

Just quickly, before we get off the Tailor Made freestyle to get back to our conspiracy. Remember when Drake was being accused of having actual shares with UMG and kind of, you know, dictating artist publishing?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Is he deflecting and now accusing Taylor Swift of that? In this Taylor Made freestyle, he is pretty much snitching and saying that. That Taylor Swift is who we all accused him of being at the label. Like, she owns a percentage of that, bro.

[Mal]

Well, I don't know what the PG Lang deal is.

[Julian]

I believe they have. Don't quote me. Believe they're doing licensing through umg.

[Mal]

Okay. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know too much about what their deal and how it's structured because they haven't put.

[Julian]

I mean, you know, obviously the last Kendrick album was his last on tde, so we don't really fully know, but there had been rumors that they were going to do their licensing through UMG rather than just straight independent. But I don't know that to be true, so don't quote me. But judging by this verse, I'm sure Drake knows what's going on with umg.

[Mal]

I mean, well, it sounds like he's.

[Julian]

Saying Taylor Swift is the person we all keep putting this conspiracy on about him. No, it's Taylor, guys. Well, you guys are all right about your accusations, but Wrong artist.

[Mal]

Wrong artist.

[Julian]

It's Taylor Swift that's doing everything you're accusing me of.

[Mal]

Yeah, I can't.

[Julian]

She owns Gamma.

[Mal]

Yeah, I can't. I can't. Speak to that, because I don't know how to deal with structure.

[Julian]

But no, I'm speaking away.

[Mal]

It's a safe, it's a safe assumption. She's easily top. She's to my big three. She's one of the big three, for sure. So, I mean, you know, I don't know how they deal with structure, but it wouldn't surprise me if she was, you know, getting a percentage of some of those artists.

[Julian]

She said, she's your new top. Like, he was very. He didn't say much with his own voice on the AI A bulk of that was really about how Taylor Swift is dictating what Kendrick Lamar can do with his future.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

And that she has actual stake in where he goes.

[Mal]

I think the AI Thing is interesting, though, because I did hear that, you know, if you're old enough to remember Beanie Siegel, his voice, he had some health issues over the years. His voice changed a lot. And I am hearing that Beans is gonna use his own AI voice to sound like he used to sound before his health issues, before it affected his, his voice.

[Julian]

So that's a positive of AI in my opinion.

[Mal]

So, so that's what I'm saying. So I, I get it. I understand when people are kind of, you know, standoffish with the AI Thing. I think, in a way like that, for an artist that is a, his own voice, that is a, A, a dope way to incorporate that technology.

[Julian]

So what's going to get up is, is he going to have to go get approval from someone else to use his own voice?

[Mal]

No, I don't think so.

[Julian]

I, I, I don't know how those AI deals are working.

[Damaris]

Like, you own your own voice. Rory. No one. Because AI hasn't existed for all these years. The executives didn't sign that into the contract that, hey, we also own your voice. They wouldn't even thought to put those into contracts because AI didn't exist.

[Julian]

Speculating here. If there's, like, an official verified check, AI like the real AI not some, some hackers put together, and they are getting your pronunciations, all those words from your catalog, and someone owns that catalog, wouldn't they own the AI rights to that voice? I don't know how the AI Works. I know they configure a lot of people's dialect through music or interviews or whatever. Right. That's how they put it together. If they're officially only taking that from Bean's catalog that UMG bought from Rockefeller outright. Do you have to go to UMG to use my own Voice?

[Mal]

No, no.

[Julian]

Because if I want to go license one of my songs on a commercial, that's got to go through the person that owns. But that's my.

[Mal]

Well, he's creating new music.

[Julian]

I know, but he would have to go use the AI voice that's derived. And this is all speculation, guys. I want to make that clear.

[Mal]

No, that's his voice.

[Julian]

AI derived from maybe his old catalog.

[Mal]

No.

[Julian]

Okay.

[Mal]

When you talk about the music, you can't use that music. Maybe he would have to go through things because.

[Julian]

No, not those words. I'm saying whatever they knew, whatever AI inflection they put over his voice, if it's from his first album.

[Mal]

That's not how they use it, though. They use it. They'd use it.

[Rory]

It's.

[Mal]

It's a filter. But it's not like they're taking it from how he said this on this album and incorporating it here.

[Julian]

No, I know. I'm. This is more of a prediction of how we talk about how UMG Warner, Sony starts to lose their leverage with all these tech companies. The only way they have leverage is based off their back catalog. I could see an official partnership of some type of AI that can be verified and used because it can be licensed off the music that they own. I see that being a future thing.

[Damaris]

Yeah. And I agree with you, Roy. I can. I get where you're going with that? Hypothetically. So a hypothetical way to get over that, I would assume, is to use a song that was not owned by anyone. So some that was on a mixtape.

[Julian]

Yeah, but what if I need, like, a different vowel?

[Damaris]

I think you're making a little bit more.

[Julian]

I'm always scared of the robots and the computers. I think anything is possible. And I'm terrified of labels and how they've always adapted every time to continue to be on top. Every time Napster comes out, yo, it's over for the labels. Nope. Streaming comes. Yo, it's over for the labels. Nope. They always find a way to stay relevant and stay in business because they own all the back catalog. I think they're looking at AI the same way. You're gonna have to go license this voice that I own to use your AI program.

[Mal]

I don't know if they'll do that.

[Julian]

But I wish that Kanye verse was AI. That was. That might be the worst Kanye verse I've ever heard myself.

[Mal]

Let's just be realistic. It was only a matter of time before Kanye jumped into this.

[Julian]

I'm never mad at Kanye jumping into anything.

[Mal]

I cannot stand to see anybody Else get the attention of the world and attention of the entire industry. He's Regina George without his name being associated to it somehow. So lo and behold, before Kendrick. Before we got a Kendrick response, we got a yay response.

[Julian]

Oh, y'all dissing Drake over there? Nobody called me.

[Mal]

Yeah, like he didn't know it was a Drake hate party.

[Julian]

Who all over there?

[Damaris]

Who all over there?

[Julian]

Oh, Metro, too.

[Mal]

Bet a Drake hate party. And Kanye wasn't invited. You had to know he was showing up sooner or later.

[Rory]

You guys want to give it a little listen?

[Mal]

This is the royal rumble. This is when you're watching people in the ring fight, and all of a sudden you hear the theme song drop and you're like, oh, shit, it's Hulk Hogan. Like, this is what this is. This is turned into that. Now. This is a Royal rumble. This is 20 versus one.

[Rory]

I believe we're officially at seven artists against Drake.

[Mal]

Seven.

[Rory]

Yeah. Future. Well, if you want to count Metro. Future. Metro, Rick Ross, Kanye.

[Damaris]

Kendrick.

[Rory]

Kendrick.

[Mal]

And.

[Julian]

Well, now I've just unfun.

[Rory]

Yeah, there was one.

[Julian]

Maybe you just didn't like the weekend.

[Rory]

That's the seventh.

[Damaris]

That was six.

[Rory]

Seven.

[Mal]

The weekend. Okay.

[Julian]

Push is always going to be there, whether. Even if he. If he stays quiet.

[Rory]

Yeah, Push. Yeah. Do you guys want to give this Kanye a little listen?

[Mal]

Do we have to?

[Julian]

I don't. I don't really want to, but if you want.

[Rory]

No, Come on, bump it. That's gay.

[Julian]

B. Flip is crazy.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's hard.

[Julian]

No.

[Mal]

I treat a bad like a fat and they never let me get money again on my cat Winas when they get funny again.

[Damaris]

Yeah, you see they tried to count me out.

[Rory]

I like that.

[Mal]

We just hit a number one.

[Julian]

We right back. 500 down on the bottom.

[Rory]

500 up at the top. I like that.

[Julian]

No, this beat is insane.

[Rory]

No, no, no. The.

[Mal]

Another one value one, then it's two and three.

[Julian]

Vultures on repeat.

[Mal]

Still feel like Pablo drug dealer street.

[Julian]

Pluto sent the drones. It hit like Metro beats boss face. It's a rap for Where's Lucy in serve your master. You caught a little bag for your masters, didn't you? Lifetime deal.

[Mal]

I feel bad for. Bad for y'all.

[Rory]

So out of sight, Adam. All right, that's enough.

[Mal]

That's just so.

[Julian]

Oh, you want. You want to pause before the J. Cole shot? Got nervous, huh?

[Rory]

Getting into. He's just crash. This is ass.

[Julian]

I can always.

[Mal]

That is terrible, man. It's garbage.

[Julian]

I do think Kanye west is a great writer and rapper. I can always tell when he writes everything by himself, though, I can always tell when I'm like, yay. Wrote that all by himself. That was just yay.

[Damaris]

So is he really a great rapper.

[Mal]

Then, that he's a great producer?

[Julian]

Kanye is out of that conversation. Is different than Drake because Kanye came out the gate telling the world that he collaborated. Like, we knew Rhyme Fest was on MTV News saying he wrote the Jesus Walk record. Like, that was never a thing that he hid. So that's why he doesn't get the flack for it. Like, he's a producer. He's a Quincy Jones in that regard. He goes for the better version of the record. And we give him that grace because out the gate, he was always honest about that and never really got on his talk that I'm a better rapper than all of you. Outside of a few times, he's the most arrogant rapper we've ever met and still is humble when it comes to shooting at other rappers that he knows, writes everything.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but he.

[Julian]

But only time we see Kanye west.

[Damaris]

Humble, he admits to that. I'm asking you guys because we had this conversation six months ago, and I told y'all that Kanye was an overrated rapper, and y'all damn near sleep slap me out the room. So now I see that that's changing now. It's, oh, well, he always had help. Okay, so is he a good rapper, then?

[Mal]

He's a good rapper, but he's not. When you. When you talk about stepping in the ring with a Drake and a Kendrick, well, no, that's not easy for this moment. We're talking about, like, for him to throw his hat in the ring during this moment. Cole took his hat out the ring. We know, but now it's just Kendrick and Drake. It's like, ye love you. One of the greatest producers we've ever seen. Not just musically, just a great producer, fashion everything. This is not. Sit this one out. Cause you're on record saying Drake is the greatest rapper ever, and he wrote records for you and all of these things, and now it's the dot. I got this pussy or whatever he said, and I smoked him at the concert and all of this. It's like, we know Kanye has an album coming. You know, when Kanye has an album coming, you know when Kanye has anything to sell, when he has something dropping, he's gonna find wherever the spotlight is at, and he's gonna jump right in the middle of that shit and let you know that he's the greatest ever and that his album is now available for download.

[Julian]

But I'm not mad at him jumping in at all. I just wish it was better. It's just not a good.

[Mal]

Good.

[Julian]

We didn't need it.

[Rory]

I'm mad at it.

[Mal]

Why are you jumping? Why is he jumping in it?

[Julian]

Cause it to what you just said. Cause he's about to sell some shit.

[Mal]

So that's why I'm mad that he's jumping in.

[Julian]

If you jump in to sell some. But it's good. Cool.

[Rory]

I'm mad at it because the more people that keep jumping in, like the Ross and all this, it's just you're interfering with the actual battle.

[Mal]

Ross different. Ross was different because I know.

[Rory]

I know he was named.

[Mal]

He was mentioned.

[Rory]

Yeah, but all that's just interfering with the actual battle.

[Julian]

Is it though?

[Damaris]

Like, let Kendrick giving Kendra an excuse.

[Julian]

Let's. Let's say Kanye. It just looks whack. Are any of us really taking our attention off what's happening with Kendrick and Drake? No, but it looks whack.

[Rory]

It, like, feeds that narrative that it's like the they Drake is, you know, and it takes everybody to take their crack at them. Like, I don't like that.

[Julian]

That's where I think Future and Metro made a huge strategic mistake with putting Kanye west or attempting to, because I think they said no to that verse. And that's why Kanye went and leaked it. Like, that was never official. Because I think Metro and Future had Cole on the deluxe of the second part and was like, bro, we can't have. We're already in a whole mess right now. You're dissing J. Cole. We just had him on this one. We're not going to put this on. We know Kanye, as erratic as he is, you brought him into this mix. He now has the bounce to this. He now has the story to tell that you guys personally invited him for the Drake elimination party. Now he's about to tell all your secrets in that studio.

[Mal]

Right?

[Julian]

Because you can't control Kanye West. It's not. You're not part of the Drake 7. They're all on the same page. Kanye west will never be on the same page. Why invite him to make it eight? Yeah, like, he's going to tell everything. He's making y'all look crazy. He said, we got there. The energy was crazy. We were so excited to eliminate Drake. You know how crazy they all look now because they didn't eliminate Drake.

[Rory]

That sucks.

[Mal]

But see, but you know, because it.

[Julian]

Didn'T work and now you're bragging like, we all were so excited to eliminate him. So, all right, you've confirmed that that was the whole thing. So it didn't work. He's not going anywhere. So what the fuck was the point of adding Kanye into this? I think Future and Metro are huge Kanye fans like the rest of us. And if I had Kanye's number and had a studio, of course I could see the world where I'm like, yo, we got to get Kanye on the shit. But if you're at war right now, you're going to bring somebody with their own agenda. The most erratic human being we've ever seen in our time to be part of your clique. Fuck, no. We don't know what he's about to do. He has them looking nuts right now.

[Damaris]

Do you believe that they really were like, trying to link up, to really eliminate. Yes, I can see put a dent in his armor, but to really eliminate him?

[Julian]

No, no, I think that's a.

[Damaris]

All those people with all that music knowledge would have to be fucking idiots to think that they were gonna be able to get rid of Drake. Like, it just doesn't.

[Mal]

Not that they thought that they would be able to. I think that they've all just felt like, yo, we have to. He has to, like, we have to get rid of him for a while. Like, we need to. Like, he's dominated the charts for 15 years. Like, but it's just a. It's a very unique situation only because of the history that's there with him and these artists. His fingerprint is on each one of these artists career, every last one of them. So that's why this situation is like, oh, shit. Y'all are basically turning on the guy that gave you your biggest moment, gave you your biggest record. Now there's. This weekend is a bonafide superstar. We know that. Future's a superstar. We know that. But I'm talking about from the beginning. There's plenty of shit out there where Drake's fingerprint is on the beginning of these artists career and gave them that catapult into like, yo, this is the next guy. This is the hot. This is the dopest artist right now. So for now, years later to go by, do I think Drake knew this was coming? Absolutely. I think Drake knew what all of these guys, how they felt about him behind closed doors. I think that he knew that these guys were just using him whenever they could. Whenever they need a favor, he was there. And like I said, I just think Drake is at the point where he doesn't want to be the nice guy anymore. And I think that's why a lot of this is happening. Because he's not saying yes to features as much as he used to. He's not saying yes to, you know, whatever as much as he used to. I think he turned that faucet off a little bit, and people kind of felt that. So now they're like, oh, if I'm not getting nothing from him, fuck you. But just go back and listen to Red Button. And he pretty much addresses all of this. Like, I know what I have to do. I know what's gonna happen. Like, I know where this goes. Like, I know y'all don't fuck with me, but if I really start entertaining this shit and get on my hit the kill switch shit, it's over for all of y'all. So, you know, take from that what you will. I just wish that Kanye didn't do what he did, because like you said, we don't really care. It didn't do nothing for this moment for me. Let me speak for myself. Didn't do anything for me. It's only one person that I want to hear from in this whole situation, and I'm going to continue to sit back and wait for that artist to respond.

[Damaris]

Yeah, Kendrick, stand the fuck up. You look crazy out here, bro.

[Mal]

What?

[Julian]

Before we stand up, close the Kanye part, what did you think about his quote to Justin the boy? If Drake has a rich baby daddy, his name is Lucian Grange. I mean, he said he's like my daddy. He controls the spins. My Daddy got the DSPs also accused Lucien of working for people that control the banks in Africa. Listen, I do like. I do like tinfoil hat y admittedly, but I was conflicted in that whole thing. Only Kanye can talk this way, and I respect that. I respect his independence. I respect everything he's been through. But let's not act like you weren't yelling out execs names at every concert or interview for 20 years as if they were your daddy.

[Mal]

Right?

[Julian]

And he's addressed it and moved on in a good way and is admitted he didn't want to be under their control. They were his daddy. But you just got independent. Like, you're just going to go back and you're like that girl that is a hoe but finally gets a boyfriend and starts judging the other hoes. Like week one be. Be a little bit different in that regard. You've been through this. You know what it's like to have to be under ruling like that. You can't just get at Drake like that. You're the only one that could talk this way, so I respect it. But I don't know, I thought it was a little corny. I know you don't like the dude, but if you have been fighting against this for so long, why are you happy to see someone else going through it?

[Mal]

I just think that because Drake has way too much ammo on Kanye, so I think that that battle would be something totally different. Like, that's just like, I don't even want that. I don't want to hear it.

[Julian]

To me, that one would be nasty. Just like I thought the, like that verse was nasty because I don't want to hear 50 year old yay. Talking about someone else's in a tank top.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

I think the Drake and Kanye battle would just be exposing who. What girl? And that's not. I like small parts of that in rap beef, for sure. But I think they would fully make it about what girl they smashed. That probably smashed a lot of other rappers too. Oh, yeah. But you a girl that mad rappers.

[Mal]

But that don't do nothing.

[Julian]

And I her first.

[Mal]

That don't do nothing in the battle. It has to be.

[Julian]

I know. I just think that's where those two would take it.

[Mal]

Yeah, but it has to be because.

[Julian]

They'Re both like that emotionally, and I think they'd fully dive in.

[Mal]

It has to be like wife, though. It can't just be random Instagram girl. No, no, no. We don't give a fuck about. Those are. Those are the expendables. We don't care about that. I'm talking about if he gets on there and starts saying shit that. Or either one of them, that they did with a wife or something like that, or a baby. See, that's where I'm just like, all right, I'm cool.

[Julian]

No, but then Rocky said he fucked Drake's baby mom, and all of us went cool.

[Rory]

Sick.

[Julian]

Whoa. Crazy. And then if it went. And no disrespect to Kim, because I know that was his wife finding out. A superstar, Kim Kardashian is not crazy to me. Yo, what if Drake Kim. Okay.

[Rory]

I thought that was like a thing.

[Julian]

That was the theory for a really long time.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

And then, then the rumors. Then the rumor turned in that it was. He was talking about Kim's mom. That was the big explode on Twitter.

[Rory]

That's cooler.

[Julian]

But also, like, to me, that would be funnier.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's funny.

[Julian]

Then I'd be like, drake, you are one of the sickest human beings I've ever seen in my entire life. But you know at least that's a bigger bombshell than someone Kim Kardashian.

[Damaris]

It's fine though. She is thankfully.

[Mal]

Who's fine?

[Rory]

Chris Drake's got to go out and Caitlyn next.

[Mal]

Oh, Kris Jenner.

[Julian]

See if he likes step your up. Yo that's taking it I both your parents that's dedicated to war go and Bruce.

[Rory]

No Caitlyn.

[Julian]

Let's talk about a different person.

[Mal]

I just y'all want Drake to engage in homosexual activities.

[Rory]

It's not gay.

[Mal]

Who's not gay?

[Julian]

Anyway, we did actually get for all the Kanye west stands because I know you guys do listen because anytime I say something bad about Kanye, you flood my mentions. We did get a snippet of an amazing Kanye west verse the same day this that Childish Gambino previewed for his new album. Yeah is fire. Kanye sounds amazing on this.

[Rory]

Yeah, this sounds very good.

[Mal]

This is my commandment die to rebrand it three days later walking to Louis sandals stuck on paparazzi there were calling a scandal but love to watch me really I'm like Brando I rather have.

[Julian]

No regrets but yo my agent just.

[Mal]

Called and said yo say less waiting on the throne like hope say yes I took my shoes out the store.

[Julian]

They the new pay less that's the.

[Mal]

New God flow but I don't pray.

[Julian]

Chess got this racket is crazy.

[Rory]

And they go back and forth that sounds so good.

[Damaris]

Not like I'm Jason not the around his neck like he's J. Spillette.

[Julian]

Why and to me I of course I do not know and was not in the studio. This is what Kanye sounds like when he has help from other great writers. I think Childish had a lot to do with that verse. And Kanye delivered it. I'm sure gave him the topics he wanted to talk about. I like Kanye. When Kanye has help, that's all okay. You can see the difference.

[Mal]

Clear difference.

[Rory]

You know who doesn't need help?

[Julian]

See Breezy Bris Brown doesn't need a single bit.

[Rory]

Mom, I'm starting to feel your side of the take here. I'm almost coming around that.

[Mal]

I'm almost coming around over there. Stay the over there. All you niggas that said Quavo is hotter. And amigos, no one ever said that. What the. I still can't believe y'all said that. I could not.

[Rory]

No one said that.

[Mal]

What?

[Julian]

You know what? You know.

[Mal]

You didn't say what? You didn't say Quavo was hotter than Chris Brown.

[Damaris]

Why did you even bring this?

[Rory]

We didn't.

[Damaris]

Nobody ever said that.

[Rory]

Nobody Said that.

[Julian]

No one said that, but attached that topic.

[Mal]

Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. Because I know I'm not.

[Damaris]

Said more relevant. Never said hotter. Never said more talented. Said more relevant. At the time.

[Mal]

You said different name to Chris Brown. You said that verbatim.

[Damaris]

The top time at the time.

[Mal]

So three months later, Chris Brown. What are you talking about?

[Damaris]

They're beefing, so obviously.

[Mal]

Oh, my God. Cut. You're wrong. It's okay to be wrong.

[Rory]

Where we'll say we're wrong is Chris is up in the beef right now. I'll give you that.

[Mal]

So you still don't think. You still don't think Chris Brown is a bigger name than me?

[Rory]

Well, that also wasn't. We were talking about fashion. It had nothing to do with music.

[Julian]

Relevant to the kids on social media. What would look better of who was sitting at a rude show? That's all we said.

[Rory]

That's what we were talking about.

[Julian]

This is why mall needs therapy. Because over the weekend, I gave a full apology in a group chat about my mistake. And instead, the definition of an apology is to hope that people accept it and not just continue to on you for the rest of the weekend.

[Mal]

No. Well, you apol. You apologize.

[Julian]

I did. And you were not nice to me after. You didn't be like, yo, bro, we're all wrong sometimes. You just kept going, no, no.

[Mal]

So one part one.

[Julian]

I was like, maul. I said, I'm sorry.

[Mal]

No, no, no. I just. I was just laughing.

[Julian]

I know. I was joking, too.

[Mal]

But they still don't think that they were wrong in that.

[Rory]

Now I like Ma's apology and Rory's apology.

[Mal]

Are you, like, apology?

[Rory]

That counts. Like, that's.

[Mal]

Do you retweet that?

[Julian]

Oh, I didn't put it on Twitter.

[Mal]

It wasn't a tweet. I mean, he texted, so retext it. It's okay. Sorry. Y'all were wrong. It's okay.

[Julian]

Yo, someone constantly telling you you're wrong after you told them, hey, I was wrong. I'm sorry. And then for the next hour and a half that night, six people jump you in a group chat to tell you you're wrong. Like, you all need therapy.

[Damaris]

Like, what? That's.

[Julian]

No, I know I said I was wrong. No, but you was crazy. You was wrong. I know. I send the apology.

[Mal]

I mean, you know, this is just my time to just laugh, get my off.

[Julian]

No, that's. That's the time to, like, rel. Relish in.

[Mal]

Oh, you know it. Yeah, you know it.

[Julian]

You know your knees and apologize.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah. Send me a gift. Actually, like. Yes. Send me something. Yeah. Next day, something to me.

[Damaris]

So of all the diss tracks that came out within the past three months, where does this sit?

[Mal]

This is number two. Fuck the music. Chris wants to fight. Oh, Chris wants.

[Julian]

Thought he wanted to fight at the Rude show. Like, he made that clear in the verse.

[Mal]

He wants. This is. Chris doesn't. He's making music because that's what he does. And he just wants to put that out there to everybody that. Yo, listen, I don't want it to come out if y'all see me swinging on homie. The next time we come across each other, though, Chris is. He's wilding, he's on drugs. He's going crazy. He tried to fight Quavo. No, he's letting you know. He's letting you know. Like, I'm gonna. I'm gonna put hands on him the next time I see him. I wanna fight.

[Julian]

Like I said last episode, be careful. There was a time when Chris Brown took a whole summer where he was just rapping. That's why I don't think that Quavo record outside of it not being good was a smart move. You dealing with someone that can rap and will reply in a heartbeat.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

And somebody that is always ready to fucking fight. And that's why I don't go to highlight room anymore.

[Rory]

You guys think Offset will get it? I'm only saying Offset because of that line, the rip takeoff. He's the only real one that got true respect. Crazy how when he died, everybody really wished it was you instead. And then the ad lib is on, bruh. Which ad libbing. That is.

[Julian]

Like, I actually didn't. The line is, all is fair in. In a rap battle. I still stand by that. Even if I could say it's too soon. I don't make the rules. So that is fair here.

[Rory]

No, it is.

[Julian]

The. Oh. Ad lib was the only thing.

[Rory]

I was really like, ugh, the ad lib's crazy.

[Mal]

Oh.

[Julian]

I was like, you didn't need that to defend him.

[Rory]

And I laughed at it last time. Take. Not take. Sorry. Quavo had the ad lib about Beach Girl or whatever. Like the he ad libbed beat your wife or some.

[Damaris]

So different. I think that that's a little bit different.

[Rory]

Either way, it's beef. They could do whatever they want.

[Damaris]

Of course. Yeah. But I think that's a little bit different because when you're talking about Chris Brown and that's. That's actually been proven. Whatever. They've talked about it for years. Take off. When you bring it up, take off. You're also bringing up their family in that, and that's complete. They're related. You're bringing in their family and how their family feels about certain things. Granted, all's fair and rat beef, but I do think those two lines are a little bit different.

[Julian]

Can we bring up, like, our hypocrite meter? Because, like, ears broke. That's true. Like we said, there's. There's no rules in this. But we also thought it was corny when the baby just mentioned out of nowhere that he. Meg.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah.

[Julian]

I mean, it's different because we're in an arena now to battle. But, like, if I'm. Sweetie, I'm at home. Like, what the. Why'd you turn me into an entendre?

[Mal]

Turned it into something else and accused her of cheating.

[Julian]

Like, cheating. Cheating.

[Mal]

I mean, listen, man, Again, I'm not even. I don't even.

[Julian]

At least hov gave Carmen some, like, grace.

[Mal]

I don't even care about these records. I just know he said common. The next time these two gentlemen see each other, it's gonna be some going down.

[Julian]

Oh, I hope they don't, like. I don't want violence. I hope Quavo replies with raps, because I've seen moments when Quavo could really rap, and now he has to really rap. He can't do some fun hook.

[Mal]

Do you think that he can outrap Chris Brown?

[Julian]

No, I do not.

[Rory]

I mean, yeah, I think to. To your point, I think he. He's doing music because he makes music. I think you'd much rather see him in person. I mean, the first line of this is loan is just, like, indicative of where Chris would rather settle this.

[Julian]

Chris Brown wrote his verse when he was on a record with Joyner Lucas. Chris Brown can out rap Quavo. I think people have Chris Brown's pen up.

[Damaris]

Chris Brown could always rap, though. Some of my favorite Chris Brown songs are when Chris Brown's rap.

[Julian]

And a lot of the he gets help on with writing is more of the singing stuff, not the rapping. I look at credits. I'm a nerd. Crispy writing his raps.

[Rory]

Nerd.

[Julian]

But, I mean, you know, I don't think. As long as they're not in a.

[Damaris]

Rude show, I don't think Quavo's gonna take Quavo with the. With the record because of that takeoff line. I don't think Quavo's gonna respond with the record. I think it's like, oh, it's just on. Like, when I see you, it's just on.

[Julian]

I will say we do have to call out some, though, even though I think it's a great disrecord you my exo. That's cool. I don't give a.

[Damaris]

You give mad.

[Julian]

This whole thing is because you give a.

[Damaris]

All of the.

[Julian]

You've always given a. And that's cool. We've all been there. You give a.

[Rory]

But in the spirit of giving a. Because I. Your ex, when you were still with her. That's worse. Like, he says I'm up. Like, he is up. Like, it sucks. I'm sure he's mad about the whole sweetie thing is. But, like, he did him when he was. She was with Quavo. That's way worse.

[Damaris]

Chris Brown to this day still gives more of a about Karuchi than that man give a about Sweetie.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I don't know.

[Julian]

I think so.

[Mal]

If you didn't know that he the. While they was together. That hurts.

[Rory]

That hurts.

[Mal]

That hurts. That hurts.

[Damaris]

But y'all. Chris was screaming Karuchi name on record years later.

[Julian]

Like, yeah, but that ain't pulling up to the club. Like.

[Mal]

But yeah, but if a dude have sex with her, like, after y'all broken up like, that don't.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Like, I don't think Chris Brown is mad at Victor Cruz. I don't think he got beef.

[Julian]

I think he does.

[Damaris]

He didn't. What? Didn't he, like, post them or some shit being funny at one point?

[Mal]

Like. Yeah, but that's just. That's not. I mean, well, he do. I think he feels way. Yes. Hurt. No, I don't think he's hurt. Hurt is when you find out that Chris Brown, your girl while y'all was together. That's hurt.

[Rory]

That's a different type. Thank you. That's my point. That's a different type of hurt.

[Mal]

That's hurt.

[Julian]

Even if I'm completely over my ex and don't care, I'm. I'm gonna feel it. I'm feeling.

[Mal]

Even if y'all broken up, if you find out a nigga fucked up while y'all were together, I'm gonna feel away. Oh, my God.

[Julian]

How. All right. How do you guys go about that text message? Because a lot of pride and ego is fueling your body when you find that out, especially if you beef with someone in some rap shit and they say that on a record. Do you text her?

[Mal]

Hell, no. Well, okay, let me speak for myself.

[Rory]

No, I wouldn't.

[Mal]

No.

[Damaris]

Do y'all think it's actually true?

[Mal]

Hell yeah.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mal]

Hell yeah. 100%.

[Julian]

Yo, like, Chris Brown is a lot of things when it comes to this type of stuff. He's never come across as a liar. To me. He's. He's a lot of things.

[Mal]

The only thing he may be lying about, that line about them being together at the moment. Maybe they weren't.

[Julian]

Maybe he thought they were talking or something.

[Mal]

But let Saweetie tell it. And they had been broken up for months. Let her tell it.

[Julian]

He could be gassing it a bit.

[Mal]

A little timeline, but he definitely smashed. He ain't gonna say he smashed a girl on a record and he didn't do it. That would just be crazy.

[Julian]

Yo, K might be one of the most toxic R B records that's ever existed. Chris Brown is sick about that girl, though.

[Mal]

I think at the time he took.

[Julian]

How many years ago Was that the K song?

[Mal]

Yeah, that happened. 2009. 10, 11.

[Julian]

No, like 2016.

[Mal]

Oh, so that's eight years.

[Julian]

15.

[Mal]

Yeah. Come on, man.

[Julian]

No, it was just sick that, like, didn't they break up because he got.

[Mal]

Her friend pregnant 2015, 9 years ago?

[Damaris]

Or maybe it was because he took Rihanna to the Christmas.

[Julian]

No, I think having.

[Rory]

Oh, my God.

[Julian]

Remember? Do you. Have you listened to the song Gay? He takes no accountability and blames everything on her. While on the album cover, he's holding the baby of the girl. He one of Kruchi's best friends that he cheated on.

[Rory]

That's hip hop.

[Julian]

To have a baby.

[Mal]

It's love.

[Rory]

That's love.

[Julian]

Oh, no. I think it's Shakespearean.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

I'm not. No fire.

[Mal]

Like a father's love to his daughter. Right.

[Julian]

But in that circumstance. Oh, you still got to love your kid in that circumstance.

[Mal]

Forever. That's a forever thing.

[Julian]

But you can't then get on the outro of your. Your album Glad. Taking responsibility as a father, loving that girl. But to then blame your ex.

[Mal]

Yeah, and you got to do some. You got to do some sick like. Yo, listen, if I didn't cheat on you, I wouldn't have this bundle of joy right here. Like, you gotta. You gotta spin it like that. You gotta make it real sick. Like, come on. You was gonna stand in the way of this happening.

[Julian]

Like, he. If you had no context, you would think that Karrueche cheated on Chris Brown. If you listen to that song with no context.

[Mal]

Oh, well, that's. That's just the artistry.

[Julian]

That's that pen game.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's the way. That's the way he pins It. You know what I mean? Like, you gotta. You gotta give him respect where it's due.

[Julian]

And I could be sorry if that's misinformation, but wasn't that the story that it was?

[Mal]

Well, that is the story that.

[Julian]

All right, cool. I just don't wanna put out.

[Mal]

He did have a baby by it.

[Julian]

A girl that she was cool with or, like, new. Yeah, could have been LA Cool. Like, I've seen the girl around. We took a photo, we did a.

[Mal]

Couple parties together and all of that.

[Julian]

All right. Speaking of parties, me and Damaris went to a movie premiere.

[Damaris]

Oh, God.

[Mal]

How was it? Yeah, I did the red carpet.

[Rory]

We did you little step and repeat very quickly.

[Julian]

Yeah. Did a little high. Wrote our names on a white eraser board. I don't know, like, where to go. This one I'm gonna. Whatever Damaris is comfortable with, I'm cool. Because we've. We've already been down this path of HR problems on the air. After we left the step and repeat, we walked into a theater. It was very quiet. All the lights were on. People were waiting to see this. This great documentary.

[Mal]

Oh, documentary.

[Julian]

Hip Hop in the White House comes out on Hulu. And we could talk about it in a second. Shout out to Jeezy, executive producer.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Julian]

We then took a left to go down the steps to go get to our seats.

[Damaris]

So basically, low was low was there. Shout out to low. And he was in the back, and I was looking for him in the theater. And as I'm looking over my shoulder for him, I'm also walking down the steps of the theater.

[Rory]

You ain't.

[Damaris]

I fell. And I didn't just fall, like, is that on camera? I didn't stumble. I.

[Julian]

It was. It was a fall for that.

[Rory]

She rolled.

[Julian]

It was the fall heard round the world.

[Damaris]

And as I'm. No, no, no.

[Rory]

That was the earthquake.

[Julian]

The speakers they used for 911 when the planes flew in, they used that for that.

[Mal]

Put those speakers all up.

[Damaris]

There was an audible. There was an audible gasp in a theater. Like a. Like a cartoon. Everybody was like. It was so bad.

[Julian]

And not even, like, about to laugh and clown. It was out of concern. Yeah.

[Rory]

Oh, man. I would have laughed so hard. The most.

[Damaris]

The most embarrassing moment of my life.

[Julian]

I've never seen legs go that way. Heels flew off. Both heels flew off into there.

[Damaris]

Rory. So Rory standing behind me, like, he's embarrassed, too. Like, I embarrassed both of both of us. Rory's standing there with the face that white people have when they're about to Call the cops. He's like, here's your shoe. So embarrassing. So as I'm walking away from the most embarrassing moment of my life, here goes D. Ray talking about some. Hey, Rory. I'm just like, can we just have a moment, please? Can we have a moment? So my knees and my legs are done. Like, I was openly bleeding in the theater. The people. But I'm a g. I'm not getting up to walk back up the stairs to go to the bathroom to get a first aid. No, I'm going to sit here. I'm going to bleed out with my dignity. Well, what's left of it intact. While I have.

[Julian]

Here, Alan. This is what the legs look like.

[Mal]

Hey, yo, Yo.

[Rory]

Hey, yo.

[Mal]

He just did that in front of me like that.

[Rory]

Yo, why you just move?

[Mal]

Was that.

[Rory]

Put your whole ass off?

[Damaris]

Don't ever too your ass up?

[Julian]

Yeah, the camera should be offended, not you.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah, but I. I ain't like, seeing you like that. I never seen you like that.

[Julian]

I didn't want to see Damaris that way.

[Mal]

No, I mean, I understand that.

[Rory]

He was waiting to get paid.

[Mal]

I was not. I never thought I would.

[Julian]

Yo. I was sitting there in disbelief. Like, it all went in slow mo. That's why I still have that image of, like, the legs flared like, you know when you break a chicken wing off.

[Mal]

Yes.

[Julian]

And like, how it stays. Yes, that's how it was. And then, like, I was searching for the other heel. I really wasn't embarrassed. I was actually very concerned for Damaris.

[Mal]

Was. It was the steps like they were.

[Damaris]

Carpets.

[Julian]

You know, she was bleeding like it was up.

[Mal]

Now imagine if it wasn't carpet.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

If it wasn't carpet, though, my knees wouldn't be as up as they are because of the carpet. I have a rug burn. Oh, so like, though, huh?

[Mal]

Rugburn is nothing.

[Damaris]

No, you don't. I'll insert a picture of my.

[Mal]

If those steps were marble, you might have broke something.

[Rory]

Yeah, I'm on mall side carpet. At least a little bit of a cushion.

[Mal]

If that was a marble or concrete step, you would have broke something.

[Damaris]

My ankle was swollen for two days. I thought my ankle was broken, but I was not gonna. They were like, do you need anything? Like the people from the theater? I think they were afraid I was gonna sue. And they kept coming up to me and I was like, I just want to disappear. Can you leave me alone, please? Rory goes, I mean, tequila. We can get some tequila. I think that'll help. I'm like, yeah, sure.

[Mal]

Tequila always helps.

[Julian]

Tequila well, also, she came up and offered it.

[Damaris]

She did also. Thank you, Jesus, like, for sparing me at least this little bit of embarrassment. Two minutes after I got seated from falling, Jeezy came and sat directly behind me.

[Julian]

And Jeezy and Bunby or. No, I think Bunby saw the spill.

[Damaris]

No. Yeah, Bumby saw me fall, but Jeezy.

[Mal]

Came and Bumby give you a Tril Burger to kind of like help you, like, with your period.

[Damaris]

I think he just turned his head and everybody had second hand embarrassment. That's how embarrassing. And I had, mind you, if I would have just been in, like, sweats or, like, jeans or, like, looked normal or regular. No, I was probably the most dressed up person in the theater. Like, so, yeah, probably the most embarrassing moment of my life. But Rory did not laugh at me. He's a really good friend.

[Julian]

I stood with you the whole time.

[Rory]

I would have laughed. I would have been like, are you okay? But then I would have laughed.

[Julian]

Oh, no, now's the time in the moment.

[Damaris]

No, you wouldn't.

[Julian]

I was, like, that bad. I was really concerned for it. The second embarrassment for her was like a second thing in my mind at that point because she fell.

[Rory]

Did you fall downstairs? Like, was it multiple stairs?

[Damaris]

It was like. No. So, like, it was like wide steps, you know?

[Rory]

I know, I know.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

It was like one step, but it.

[Julian]

Was a wide ass. One step.

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah.

[Julian]

I was.

[Mal]

Wait, you fell down one step?

[Rory]

It was the theater steps. Now they're like, long and.

[Mal]

Oh, long Inside the theater. Like inside the actual. Where you was watching the film.

[Julian]

Yes.

[Mal]

Also, like, coming down. Oh, yeah.

[Damaris]

To go to your seat. Yeah, it was so that was.

[Julian]

Listen, I. I stood by you while everyone's staring.

[Damaris]

He did. So then we go. I'm like.

[Julian]

Held it down.

[Damaris]

I'm like, rory did I. You know, maybe people didn't see. Rory was like, babe, everybody saw that first.

[Julian]

I asked you, would you like me to be honest with everything I say moving forward, or do you want me to make you feel better? You're like, be honest. Like, everyone saw it. Everyone's looking over here. But we're good. We're fine. It'll pass.

[Mal]

It'll be. So how was the documentary?

[Julian]

It was. It was good. It's. Thank God. It got on pretty quickly.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Immediately. Thank you.

[Julian]

Yeah. Like, once we saw Ronald Reagan creating crack, everyone, like, forgot about Damaris's knee. It was just a reminder. Like, what the. Yeah, but no, it's cool. It's coming out on Hulu. It's basically just all the attachments that hip hop has had with the White House, from rappers going to the White House, to songs about the White House, to what the White House did to create hip hop, like, it's just that whole inner circle working. It's a lot of stuff. I'll say this. I. I think everyone should check it out. But if you're already a hip hop head, I don't know if it's really for you.

[Mal]

If you're a hip hop head is.

[Damaris]

Not for you because it's. You're not learning any. Yeah, it's your hip hop head.

[Julian]

It's great to hear from a lot of rappers. Like, Jeezy executive produced it. The segment about him doing My President's Black and Obama, and that whole thing was fire. And the film was very objective. Like, at certain times, hip hop is going to look insane for even trying to co sign Vote or Die, or even thinking Obama was really going to do a lot for hip hop. It doesn't try to drive a narrative at all. It tells the facts and it forces you to kind of have an opinion. Like, I thought it was nasty that it was proven how much Jeezy did for Obama's campaign. And then he gets to the White House and they're like, nah, we looked at your background. You can't come in here. And then, like, two weeks later, Obama is on during a speech and quotes Jeezy. Like, it does show a lot of hypocrisy. Waka is going to get smoked in it. Just telling y'all that now.

[Mal]

Why, what do you do?

[Julian]

He sounds like you. I tagged Maris and I said, are we watching mall or waka? He goes full Trump Walker. They're gonna smoke Waka.

[Mal]

I knew I like that man on.

[Rory]

Like a Trump campaign, though, for a minute.

[Julian]

Yeah, that's nothing new. Yeah, that's why I think they wanted to interview Waka, because he has an opposing view than a lot of the other people.

[Damaris]

It wasn't like they were just like, yeah, you know who we need for this Waka.

[Mal]

But that's why politics is so funny, because you like how you just said he's going to get smoked for that. Why does he get smoked for who he likes?

[Damaris]

But because the way.

[Julian]

Oh, I agree this.

[Damaris]

So because of Waka's dialect and the way that he talks in comparison to what he would. Well, also added on top of what he was saying, they're gonna say that he sounds stupid. He's gonna. He's gonna get smoked because they're gonna say that he Sounds stupid. I. I understand his point. Like, even low Texas, when we were leaving, like, Walker sounds dumb. And I'm like, I understand Waka's point. He just didn't make his point well.

[Julian]

And why? Because the film was so objective.

[Mal]

What I think Candace Owens was trying to say about Cardi when she was endorsing Biden.

[Julian]

Oh, that she just doesn't know anything about politics or she's being used.

[Mal]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Julian]

I mean, I think.

[Damaris]

I mean, all this, the film kind of shows how.

[Rory]

Yeah. I mean, if my bag is right, hip hop.

[Julian]

The White House has conveniently used hip hop when it needed it and then just kicked it to the fucking curb when it doesn't. But because it was so objective and didn't drive a narrative, it's going to allow both sides, cnn, Fox, left, right, to cut it up for their own agenda. Like, I think Fox is going to take the Waka and cut it to make Waka look really good. And I think CNN is going to cut it so it looks terrible. I think CNN's going to take all the points of hip hop, not with the White House and White House. Not with hip hop, and run with it. It just allowed it for narratives to be pushed. Once you edit that down, what's the.

[Mal]

Name of the doc?

[Julian]

Hip Hop in the White House.

[Mal]

Hip Hop in the White House or what? White House.

[Damaris]

Hulu. Hip Hop in the White House on Hulu. Shout out to Anscape and thank you for having us. Sorry that we embarrassed the out of y'all by falling, but it was good. They had a nice open bar. They had a DJ afterwards. It was me and Rory had a nice little.

[Julian]

Cool.

[Rory]

Like. I texted you guys. You had. No, this is nothing.

[Damaris]

I had fallen. I went home immediately. I wanted to. We didn't stay there the whole time. We disappeared. I fell. I don't think you understand that. After I sent you that video, I fell directly after I sent you the video of us doing the step and repeat.

[Rory]

That's. Ah, damn. I wish I saw that.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

How was your weekend mall?

[Mal]

My weekend was cool. My niece had a baby shower this weekend. So I saw. I saw the entire family saw some. I took. I took a video of like. Because all my nieces and nephews. Well, the ones that were there was taking pictures together. And I was standing now. I was like, I'm getting old, man.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Seeing all my nieces and nephews and some of my nieces and nephews have kids. Like, I was like, are you a great uncle? I've been a great Uncle. Yeah.

[Rory]

Damn. I had my brother in town. We do a little bachelor party weekend.

[Julian]

That's cute.

[Rory]

It's very fun.

[Julian]

Where'd you guys go?

[Rory]

Just the Lower east side. Kicked it all over the place. Did a couple nice dinners at a day. Drinking Saturday with some friends. He did. Tell me something cool. My brother's started. My brother played lacrosse in college, but he's now coaching. Howard has a lacrosse team. My brother's in D.C. and it's the NCL league. It's like. It's for the HBCUs, but it's like this.

[Mal]

Oh, National Color League.

[Rory]

I don't think they call it that, but sure. And he said that?

[Mal]

I didn't say. Yeah.

[Rory]

Rory thinks the N doesn't stand for national. My brother's the nagger. Coloredly, the nagger color.

[Julian]

It's like, way too descriptive. You didn't need all those adjectives.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Or nouns.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Be a sick to go to Howard and play lacrosse. Let me just put that out there.

[Rory]

So, yeah, Jim Brown played lacrosse. I used to play the cross.

[Mal]

Exactly.

[Julian]

Didn't he go like a Navy Academy or some. I forgot where.

[Mal]

Yeah, but at Howard. Come on, man.

[Rory]

But yeah, it was. It was. They. They're. They're. It's kind of whack. There's like one team in South Carolina is in the league somehow.

[Julian]

What's wrong with South Carolina?

[Rory]

Because it's not an HBCU like South Carolina.

[Julian]

Wait. Well, I guess I'll ask the obvious question. Why can't they play in the ncaa?

[Rory]

Well, because it's not fair. Because they're pulling from different resources and it's a much larger school. And it just. It just doesn't make sense to me. And of course, they're the best team and they're players of. Of course, to the mostly white team. And just. It just optically looks weird. But it's like all the other schools are HBCUs, and then they're South.

[Mal]

So all the white kids that decided to go to the. The great Howard University decided, like, we're going to play lacrosse.

[Rory]

No, they're black.

[Mal]

A lot of the.

[Rory]

The team's black.

[Mal]

They have a black lacrosse team.

[Rory]

A Howard.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Black people play lacrosse.

[Rory]

I play lacrosse. No, that's not saying much.

[Mal]

That's not saying. That's my point. Still stays.

[Julian]

It's not. It's not in abundance, but yes, black people.

[Rory]

This is the ncl. It's all black people.

[Julian]

It's.

[Rory]

It's dope.

[Mal]

But that was one black kid and everybody else had on a Hel. Stop playing with me. Stop playing.

[Rory]

Except for the North South Carolina kid.

[Mal]

All right, well, listen, man. Shout out to all the brothers. Khalil Anderson. Shout out to my man, Khalil Anderson right there.

[Julian]

That's your guy?

[Mal]

That's my guy. Khalil. Shout out, Khalil.

[Rory]

Shout out to the Howard lacrosse team. Go, South Carolina.

[Julian]

But, like, Morgan State is in Maryland. Everybody plays lacrosse in Maryland. I'm sure this could become, like, a real leak.

[Rory]

I hope it pops off. Yeah.

[Julian]

Speaking of sports, you guys watch the fight.

[Rory]

Oh, my God.

[Mal]

Watch the fight. Thank you. Ryan Garcia, he won me a lot of money on Fanduel. Put some money down on him. Put a hundred dollars down. You won 2000. I'm not gonna tell you how much I won for tax purposes, but everybody was like, you're crazy.

[Rory]

Put a few hundreds down.

[Mal]

I was like, yo, I don't. I never felt like Devin Haney was a threat to Ryan Garcia. I know the optics that Ryan Garcia created leading up to it. He's crazy. He's losing his mind. He's not taking the fight serious. At the weigh in, he chugged the beer on the scale, essentially putting him three pounds over. So which means the belt. He didn't win the belt because if you're overweight, you can't win the belt if you win. He didn't care about the belt. He just knew that he could beat Devin Haney. He wanted to show that. I'm not even taking this fight serious or which I think I'm not taking it serious. And I'm gonna go in here and beat the out of Devin Haney. So shout out to Ryan Garcia and shout out to Devin Haney, because the one thing I did respect about him in this fight, he didn't talk.

[Rory]

He got.

[Julian]

He went the distance. Like, this was one of the toughest fights I've seen.

[Rory]

Got knocked down three times and got back up immediately.

[Julian]

And not only was getting up, was.

[Mal]

Still fighting, like, still fighting.

[Julian]

It looked like he could put Garcia down a few times after he had been put down. This was some of the toughest shit I've ever seen, both these gentlemen, and what a fight.

[Mal]

Respect to the referee for letting that go. He could have stopped the fight. But most refs understand the champion. You let the champion go out on his own merit if it looks like he's not seriously hurt and can stand and can walk. So the ref did a great job at gauging that. But shout out to Ryan Garcia, and I hope that he focuses a little more. I understand the optics that he's, you know, trying to put out there that he's the crazy guy. It's great marketing, especially when you go in the ring and perform the way he did. Now if he got his ass kicked, that's when it would be like, see, this is why you need to be fucking focusing and not drinking beer at the weigh in. But he went there despite all of that, handled business. I still don't think either one of these gen. Well, obviously not Devin Haney, but I still don't think Ryan Garcia should step into the ring with Tank yet though. Though.

[Julian]

All right, to move the goalpost more because this is similar to the rap battle now when it comes to marketing a boxing fight, as we know, anything goes, everything's on the table. When it comes to the trolling and marketing before a fight, I think it's a little cheap and nasty that Ryan Garcia has been using the red pill. Kids are being touched by Hollywood narrative to get the red pill community on his side. He's the, he's the red pill. Ali now. But don't tell me you went to a compound, saw a bunch of kids get touched and now you can't even tell us where it's at or who was like, if. I think that type of happens. We had that conversation about Ryan Garcia. I think what he's saying, I do think it happens, but I think you're taking advantage of that and what you're doing is lying about something that's very serious. Yeah, I think that trolling is, in my opinion, a little too far with this red pill marketing shit. But he's clearly an amazing fighter.

[Mal]

Either way, he went in there and did what he had to do. And obviously he is the guy in that class right now. Obviously Tank is still number one. But Ryan Garcia is definitely one of the fighters, the young fighters now that all of these other fighters have to take serious. Cause that performance he put on against Devin Haney was every boxer, one of.

[Julian]

The best fights I've seen.

[Mal]

Looked at that and was like, oh no, he can't. He can fight.

[Julian]

Jean box. Watching the undercard.

[Mal]

Yeah, no, I was watching the playoff games the Knicks were playing. Well, shout out to the Knicks.

[Julian]

We, we just can't, we can't skip over some Irish racism. My guy, my guy McComb was clearly robbed. He was supposed to get his ass whooped and clearly fucking won. Also had the Palestine flag on his trunks.

[Mal]

Shout out to that.

[Julian]

Lost it. Like that was. That's the type of shit that has taken boxing fans away from Boxing, like, it's a slap in the face of, like, how much this is bullshit.

[Mal]

Well, now you know why he lost. He had the Palestine trunks on.

[Julian]

True.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

But, I mean, that was like, he's getting up there. He's 34. 5. Like, this was around his last shot, and he clearly beat someone superior to him. He was supposed to lose that shit and not even a split decision. So that was bullshit. And that's why a lot of people don't watch boxing anymore, because y'all are laughing in our face of how rigged the shit is.

[Mal]

But that's why I was nervous about putting that money on Ryan, because I was like, they're not gonna let him win. They're not gonna let him win.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

And I didn't think he was gonna knock Devin Haney out. So, like, if this goes to the cards, you know what I'm saying? Like, they're gonna. They're gonna. They're not gonna let him win. But once I saw the first knockdown and then he did some dumb shit and lost the point, I was like, all right.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I was like, he's. That's. That's part of the maturity risk, though.

[Rory]

That you take with.

[Mal]

That's the risk you take. But that's. Ryan Garcia just needs that. He's still young, but he needs to mature. He needs to, you know, focus a little more. I know he wants to be a showman and sell tickets and sell his fights, but just pull back on that a little bit and focus more on just doing what you're doing. But great fight. I do believe they'll fight again. I think they almost have to rematch it.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

So we'll wait to see when that's announced. But shout out to the Knicks. Knicks won game one of their playoff series versus the 76ers. So shout out to them. Shout out to Jalen Brunson for. He's my vote for league MVP this year. And, yeah, shout out to him for having the Knicks one game up against the 76ers. That doesn't mean that the series is over. The Sixers are still a very tough opponent, but it's always good to get that first win at home and kind of like, you know, get some of those butterflies out of the way. And now they can really focus on game two, which is tonight. If you're listening to this Tuesday, when this comes out, we will know what the outcome is by now, but shout out to the Knicks.

[Julian]

Shout out to Hart.

[Rory]

Josh Hart went off, saved that game.

[Mal]

Shout out to Josh Hart. Shout out To Julius. He's home. He had surgery on his shoulder. He's recovering. So shout out to my guy, Julius, get well soon. Get healthy this summer. Get back. Right, because you definitely gonna. The Knicks are definitely gonna need you next season, no matter how far they go this year. But they look good. So shout out to the Knicks.

[Rory]

I went to last night. I was. Well, yesterday I went to the Rangers. Rangers are in the playoffs. Did you guys know the Rangers are the best team in hockey?

[Julian]

I did know.

[Rory]

Not even close. Like they are. They're the favorite to win the cup. They're playing the Capitals. So friend of mine, David, who works over at msg, shout out to him through a friend of mine, me a couple tickets and it was dope. Did the whole, like, Delta food experience and then watch them put on a clinic. It was 4 to 1. They scored two goals in like 20 seconds. It was a very, very fun game.

[Mal]

Shout out to the Rangers. Shout out to the. To the Lakers. They lost, but for what?

[Rory]

I hope they get swept again, man. I'm tired of that.

[Mal]

Watch them. I don't. This energy. I just congratulated your team.

[Rory]

You're like it for months.

[Mal]

I like the Knicks because my guy plays for the Knicks. I'm not a Knick fan. I like the Knicks, but I also like to see the Knicks in the playoffs. I think it makes basketball more interesting when the Knicks are in the playoffs. I'm a Lakers fan. So shout out to my Lakers. We're down 01. I'll be honest, I think we're going to get swept. It is what it is. I don't think that anybody can beat the Denver Nuggets outside of maybe Boston. But yeah, shout out to the Lakers.

[Julian]

Cool. Do we have voicemails?

[Rory]

Oh, yeah, we do. Okay, let me see. I don't really have a note for this one, but I know it's good because I marked it. So let's get into it.

[Mal]

Rory, Ma. Julian Damaris. What's up, Pod? I love what y'all got going on. Keep it up. The show's great. It just keeps getting better and better. My name is Kevin. I'm from the Bronx. What's going on, bro? It's good. I'm right by 170 Grand Concourse more knows exactly what I'm talking about. Yup, right up the block of Wendy's. Right there. Right, right over the block on the floor line. Kingsbridge in like 15 minutes. Yeah, easy. All right, so question. What's your best hip hop duo of all time? So like, think about it WWE style. Think about it. A fatal four way tag team match.

[Rory]

So it's pause.

[Mal]

Yeah, it's four different tag teams. You know, taking it further, for example, HOV and Kanye, Drake, Rick Ross, Future and somebody.

[Damaris]

Drake.

[Mal]

Who would your Drake top? Top three or top four duos of all time be? Hip hop. Mine personally, my favorite hip hop duo of all time is.

[Rory]

Drake and.

[Mal]

Oh man, this is tough. Probably Drake and Rick Ross.

[Julian]

He's figuring out in real time. You could have thought about this. Ask the question.

[Mal]

I gotta go with that. What do you guys think? I love the pod. Keep it up. Y.

[Julian]

You guys know I always have to ruin it and ask the rules.

[Rory]

Here we go.

[Julian]

Does this mean also duos? Like duos that are solo artists?

[Mal]

Yeah, it's not a group.

[Julian]

Yeah, because Drake and Rick, right? No, he's just saying people that have collabed.

[Rory]

Oh, so not. So we're eliminating outcast. Doesn't count.

[Mal]

Not group clips.

[Rory]

Doesn't count.

[Julian]

That's what I think he was trying to get at.

[Mal]

I think it's solo artists that have collabed together and made multiple records.

[Rory]

Okay, cool. Got you.

[Mal]

Obviously Drake and Ross is number one.

[Rory]

I. Yeah, that's pretty high on my list. Kanye and Jay, I mean they.

[Julian]

That would be the closest.

[Mal]

It's just that Drake and Ross have more records together, I think than the.

[Julian]

One Watch the Throne.

[Damaris]

Well, no, because if you Watch the Throne has a.

[Julian]

Actually, I don't know, I think if you go through some of the stuff that's been on Kanye's solo albums, you have a good shot at Dragon. Ross with Kanye and Jay.

[Mal]

I was looking at. I was looking at.

[Julian]

You got run this down of.

[Mal]

Well, yeah, that's. I was looking at this list the other day of all the records that Drake and Ross have together.

[Julian]

It's classic album, no skips.

[Rory]

It's a classic.

[Julian]

It's not a single skip on there.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's, it's, that's. It's. It's. It's tough to beat that. But yeah, Jay. Jay and Kanye obviously will be there.

[Julian]

Nas and A don't have the biggest records together, but if you look through like the eight that they have good, really good records. Nas and AZ is definitely there.

[Mal]

They rap really well together.

[Julian]

Trying to think. I guess Blackstar wouldn't count because they are officially a group too, even though they're solo. Drake and Wayne. Yeah, kind of up there.

[Rory]

Dragon Future, Dragon 21, Savage, Nelly, Tim McGraw. Yeah, that's about all in my head.

[Julian]

It's a great Song.

[Rory]

It's a great record.

[Mal]

Great record.

[Julian]

But there's only, like, a handful of bigger artists that do that type of stuff.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

I'm trying to think, what about the kids like MGK and Trippy Red? Is that. Is that their watch the throne?

[Mal]

I don't want to watch it.

[Julian]

I heard that album was actually not too bad. I don't want to on them because I heard it was. It was. All right.

[Mal]

One day. Y'all gonna give MGK credit against that in that battle with Eminem, everybody say.

[Rory]

He won One day.

[Damaris]

Do people say that one said Eminem?

[Mal]

I feel like people don't say that at all.

[Julian]

Well, Eminem fans I'm sure don't, but.

[Mal]

It'S a lot of fans.

[Julian]

Oh, probably the most, but not. I think the rap community as a whole believes that MGK won for sure.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Julian]

Trying to think of other. Other examples.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I'm trying to think of more recent.

[Rory]

I mean, Boz and Cole always put together a nice record.

[Mal]

We're not doing that.

[Rory]

I know you're not.

[Mal]

No, we're not.

[Rory]

I am not you.

[Julian]

Wow.

[Damaris]

Kendrick and Baby Keem.

[Mal]

Stop it, Colin.

[Julian]

Now you have to start cleaning up.

[Rory]

Kendrick, Colton Boss have a lot of great records together.

[Julian]

Baby Keem and Kendrick.

[Rory]

Oh, my. Just made Bale the Jackie Passport Bros. Tribe, the Stealth mode record.

[Julian]

That's your illmatic.

[Damaris]

That's your illmatic.

[Rory]

I'm just saying they have a lot of song. Like, if we're talking Volume.

[Mal]

Let me explain something to you.

[Rory]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Mal]

You're gonna go down swinging. And I love that about.

[Rory]

It's not even. We're not talking about greatest of all time. We're talking about artists that collaborate.

[Mal]

I know what you're saying, but let me just assure you something. Things have changed.

[Rory]

That has nothing to do with this conversation.

[Mal]

It has. Things have changed.

[Rory]

No, it doesn't.

[Mal]

When it comes to that gentleman. Things have changed.

[Damaris]

I actually don't think I change back. Actually. I think a lot of people feel the same way that Rory feels. As far as I understand why this pulled out now. Like, he needs to. Like, yeah, he should have.

[Julian]

I still stand on. You can't put a record out and then come back and apologize. I still stand on that being crazy.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah. No.

[Julian]

And he has an.

[Damaris]

That's crazy.

[Julian]

No matter what. The human side of me, that's adding things up in my head with information that I don't even know is true or not. I can see why Cole would be like, no, I'm cool. I said on stage this Reminded me when I was moving fucking crazy 10 years ago. Don't need this energy.

[Damaris]

Fuck y'all remember when Di.

[Mal]

But he just said he felt like Muhammad Ali.

[Julian]

That's why the asterisk is there. But I'm going to give. I've been. I've been objective with all three of these artists.

[Mal]

Nicole has been saying he will bust anybody's ass for years.

[Damaris]

And I still listen. This is a thing.

[Mal]

For years, that's been his thing. He's been saying that.

[Damaris]

Yes, but that does not change now.

[Mal]

Because you feel like, oh, I don't want no part of that.

[Julian]

Yeah, dude, it does. When I look at my family.

[Rory]

Yes, exactly.

[Damaris]

These are about to get disrespect from the. That is hearing these is about to get dis and take it to a different spot.

[Mal]

It can be a battle rap all the time. That is. That stays in the ring. Them don't hate each other when they leave. If you seem like this was going to be like, some thing that J. Cole's going to like, oh, my God. Like, I don't even like these guys.

[Julian]

I think Drake told him it was going to go that way.

[Mal]

Cut it out, man. Cut it.

[Julian]

It's still an asterisk, but I can't have some understanding.

[Mal]

When I get more information, you can have more understanding. What I'm saying is people got to stop acting like what J. Cole did was because, oh, he didn't want to get involved in this thing that's going to turn into something that's going to be this negative thing that everybody's going to start looking at. What? What are you talking about? No, no, bro. This is rap. Then y'all just go rap, exchange some bars, say some things about each other. Once this is over, it's over. Like, y'all can go back to being cool and make records again. Like, this wasn't gonna be no big, like. And I feel like people are trying to put that energy on it. And that's why I'm looking at it like, this was not that, though. This was just dudes rapping trying to prove. Out of the big three that you named, where do we stand in that Big three? Yeah, simple. Like, that's all.

[Julian]

What about rappers and singers, collabs?

[Rory]

Wait, I have a couple more rap ones real quick. Slim and B. Chris Brown and Thug was a good project.

[Mal]

Good project.

[Rory]

And then Super Slimy was Future and Young Thug. That is still project. I play often.

[Damaris]

I'm putting Chris Brown and Tyga up there, too. That was a fan of a fan.

[Rory]

Fan of a fan.

[Julian]

It's a great project. Yeah. Tiger and Chris Brown make great music together.

[Rory]

Okay. Singers.

[Damaris]

Mariah Carey in a locks.

[Julian]

They have how many records? I think two or three.

[Damaris]

Two or three?

[Rory]

Oh. John Legend and Rick Ross.

[Julian]

They do great.

[Rory]

He sings his ass off on all those Maybach music records.

[Julian]

Hoven Mary only have, what, three records?

[Mal]

Yeah. That's not enough. Yeah. To pull from.

[Julian]

That's definitely not.

[Damaris]

Does it have to be. It has to be both hip hop.

[Julian]

Oh. Big Sean and Janae.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah. I like that 2088 a lot.

[Mal]

That's a great project.

[Julian]

Pretty much. Rick Ross and any singer. It's weird that Ross is in all these duo conversations.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Oh. Ja Ron Ashanti number one.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah.

[Julian]

What are we talking about?

[Damaris]

They win.

[Rory]

I mean, just do Beyonce and Jay count?

[Damaris]

They do.

[Julian]

Oh, yeah.

[Damaris]

I think they might come second to Ja Ruby and his shots.

[Julian]

I think they just recently started making good music together. Crazy in love is crazy in love.

[Damaris]

Deja vu is Deja vu. Don't make me hop across this table, bro.

[Julian]

I've never.

[Damaris]

Bonnie and Clyde. What's good with you? You good?

[Julian]

I've just never been a huge fan of their collabs all the time.

[Rory]

That's hate.

[Mal]

Do you like Bonnie and Clyde?

[Julian]

Oh, three. Bonnie and Clyde. Yeah, it's cool.

[Mal]

Cool.

[Damaris]

That said it was cool. Shoot him.

[Mal]

Cool. I like.

[Julian]

I like Tupac's version with whoever that girl Just from around the Way was direct.

[Mal]

Really good record.

[Julian]

No. 03 Bonnie and Clyde is a classic song.

[Damaris]

Deja Vu was a classic.

[Julian]

That whole run of, like, when Beyonce became Beyonce as a solo artist. There's a. There's a few HOV collabs in there.

[Damaris]

You just don't like Hollywood. And that's okay.

[Julian]

There's a cut if you pull up the list.

[Damaris]

Because you tripping.

[Rory]

Of what? What am I looking.

[Damaris]

Because people be sleeping on on the Run too, by the way. And that's a classic. That might be their best song they ever made together. And people be sleeping on that off. What was that? It was on Magna Carta.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

I think because people don't like the album they tried to on that song.

[Julian]

Deja Vu was Fires. Don't even know if it needed hoes.

[Rory]

Like, I like Drunken Love. That was a fun one.

[Julian]

Welcome to Hollywood. You Liftoff. I hated. I still don't.

[Damaris]

I love. I love Liftoff. I don't like hip hop.

[Julian]

Star could go. That's how you like it. Could go Family Feud. I don't count Tom Ford. I don't count. Shining is the most underrated record they have together. Yes. A lot of this can go, man. But as of recent, they make amazing music together.

[Damaris]

You just don't like the Hollywood songs. That's literally it. That's the only ones you don't like. And I knew that in. In Liftoff. I love Liftoff, but I just think.

[Julian]

They'Re both better than some of their collabs.

[Mal]

That's all Rory like. Rory likes.

[Damaris]

You like about to say some racist.

[Mal]

Definitely about to say.

[Julian]

I didn't think you were about to say something in my favor. More intelligent.

[Mal]

He. He like Black thought and Jaguar. Right.

[Damaris]

He does, though. That's why he's not even definitely do.

[Julian]

Matter of fact, I love Hoving Jaguar. Right. And so do you. So don't even start.

[Mal]

She killed that Fade to Black concert.

[Julian]

Oh, and the Unplugged.

[Mal]

She was insane. Smoked it for sure.

[Julian]

But yeah, listen, man, Jill Scott and Black thought. It's a nice Saturday for me.

[Mal]

Y'all really cancel Jill Scott? No. No. Who did not? Chrisette Michelle. I was thinking about the record.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah, they got. She might be the only most successfully canceled person I've ever seen.

[Mal]

Y'all wrong.

[Julian]

I still listen to Blame it on Me. I love Chris Michelle.

[Mal]

I never see you posted.

[Julian]

That's right now.

[Rory]

Right now.

[Damaris]

I never see you posting.

[Julian]

I don't like when people try to call my bluff.

[Mal]

I never post it.

[Rory]

Right now. No, I'm doing it right now. You can't delete it later.

[Mal]

I've seen his year in wrap up numbers. Chrisette wasn't nowhere in year.

[Julian]

We didn't even do songs. We did albums.

[Rory]

People listen to this tomorrow they'll be like, oh, that's why he posted that.

[Mal]

Yeah. Everybody go stream Chrisette Michelle. What's Chrisette Michelle's last album?

[Julian]

Oh, I don't know.

[Mal]

We find out.

[Damaris]

See, that's up.

[Julian]

Ironically, 2018, out of control.

[Mal]

That was the last album.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's been out of control ever since.

[Mal]

Everybody go scream, stream cassette. Michelle's out of control, cuz y'all tried to cancel her for singing at the inaugural. What was it?

[Julian]

No, with the inauguration.

[Damaris]

I don't even think it was the singing. It was the dress.

[Mal]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. They didn't want her doing anything for Donald Trump. Yes. But that's why they canceled the dress. The dress. They didn't want her there. They were like, why are you going in? Why are you supporting this president? Y'all was wrong for that, man.

[Julian]

What's funny is without context. Someone is just going to think I'm going through a breakup. It's posted. Oh, yo, posting Chrisette Michelle Blame it on me is just a wild post out of nowhere.

[Mal]

It's like, okay, that. That's your vibe.

[Julian]

Like what cryptic meanings does this have here? Yeah, yo, her and W might be on that list. Blog era, singer, rapper, Crisette and W have joints together.

[Mal]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Julian]

What?

[Rory]

Why'd you let her do that? Mall.

[Julian]

What if you needed 250k?

[Mal]

That's what I'm saying. Who the president is. These bills is coming in like a. I'm going to get this bag.

[Rory]

Oh, her pants. A Basquiat print.

[Mal]

Yeah. So she. She took the culture there represented still.

[Julian]

Oh, little Mo and Fab. Oh up there.

[Damaris]

That's a good one.

[Julian]

Did every other inauguration.

[Mal]

This was the Donald Trump inaugural ball. Yeah.

[Rory]

Did every other black person get canceled like a him.

[Mal]

I'm sure he's doing fine. That's what I'm saying.

[Rory]

Saying this whole stage is full of black people. Only she got cancer.

[Mal]

Only Chrisette. So I said, people, sometimes we get it wrong, man. It's okay to say we get it wrong sometimes.

[Julian]

Cancel.

[Mal]

Michelle was wrong.

[Julian]

But when you go down the gospel route, like yeah, you're not like for abortion. No one's getting canceled.

[Mal]

The Chrisette Michelle is canceled.

[Julian]

So she should just go full.

[Damaris]

I think if Chris said Michelle really accepted music, I think she would be fine. I think her time. I think even if she didn't do that, I think her career would have just been over, period. I think it. No, not no disrespect to her. It was just the times like wasn't.

[Julian]

Like it was going crazy at that moment to begin with.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Julian]

So like epiphany was probably her peak.

[Mal]

I do understand why she took that gig.

[Julian]

Said sometimes people need $250,000.

[Mal]

That's all I'm saying.

[Julian]

And with that president would be tax less.

[Mal]

Stream cassette Michelle out of control. Now available on your DSP 2018. Go stream it because y'all was wrong for that.

[Damaris]

How's Marsha Ambrose is doing?

[Julian]

I'm sure she's.

[Mal]

I'm sure she's fine though. No, actually I just saw she was doing something. She was on a podcast something. And she sang again. They got everywhere she go. She gotta sing Butterfly, but she sang it acapella. I forgot which podcast it was on. She was on. I just saw that like two weeks ago.

[Rory]

She's put out a new single.

[Damaris]

Shout out to her. I love her voice. The reason Why I brought her up is because I think I'm Chrisette. I think of her because they were around the same time. My mother used to play them in the car.

[Julian]

I feel like, you know, it's just a guess. You know every lyric to. I hope she cheats on you with a basketball player.

[Damaris]

She cheated on you with a basketball player. Hope that she came Kardashians away.

[Julian]

Great record. Just feel like you knew all the lyrics.

[Damaris]

Who wrote that? That was genius.

[Julian]

Her, probably.

[Damaris]

That was on the. On the radios. That was on the radios for like a year. You cannot escape it.

[Julian]

That had like, 15 remixes. I feel like even basketball players hopped on that. That might have a shock remix.

[Rory]

God, speaking of Dame, he went off last night.

[Mal]

Jesus. Yo, Dan Lillet. You.

[Rory]

Did you watch that? I fell asleep. Well, no, I finished that game. But he. What? He had like 30, 36. Six and a half.

[Julian]

And if the win, it's Bucks Pacers winner, right? That we would see.

[Mal]

No, it'd be Cleveland Orlando winner.

[Julian]

Okay, I know the Bucks have some injury problems, but Dame is still Dame.

[Mal]

Dame's still Dame. That's a. For any.

[Julian]

Dame vs Brunson in the playoffs would be crazy.

[Mal]

Yeah, I just. Dame is just. That's. It's. That's too much for the Knicks to handle, though.

[Rory]

I'm taking Bronson over Dame in the Garden.

[Mal]

Yo, y'all, they gonna have to drug test him after those games.

[Rory]

Bronson had a better year than Dame.

[Julian]

They just gotta hire Glorilla to do the halftime performance. Getting his head only play.

[Rory]

Yeah, Glow.

[Julian]

The entire game is just yeah, Glow on repeat.

[Rory]

Yeah, Glow. When he hits a free throw.

[Julian]

And, like, that record's amazing. But that would be insane to play it for four hours straight. Give all the fans with their tickets like earplugs and just have it on repeat.

[Mal]

Yeah, Glow. That's not gonna work. He's still gonna have 50, probably.

[Julian]

Yeah, he might have 90. You play yeah. Glow.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Glow is a motivational song. Stop overthinking. These hoes can't with you. That's affirmation.

[Julian]

Morning affirmations. Right.

[Mal]

You should say that in the mirror like Candyman.

[Damaris]

I do?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

That says, say Candyman. Said Candyman mad times in the mirror.

[Damaris]

Like, yo, where you at? Candyman, Candyman, Candyman.

[Mal]

Where's Candyman?

[Julian]

They also said that they're moving the goal post for Meg. But not Sweetie.

[Mal]

Megan not Sweetie.

[Damaris]

Sweetie gotta shoot back, they said, because Sweetie be out here. Yalls favorite R B singers and rappers, too, but nobody calls her a whore. The way they call Megan a. Oh, you know why?

[Mal]

You don't have to go into why they do that.

[Rory]

Well, the whole getting shot thing kinda.

[Julian]

Makes you more of a lumen.

[Rory]

No, no, I'm saying like a magnified. That whole situation. If you hoe in peace, it's like, all right, whatever.

[Julian]

That's true.

[Rory]

You know, hoeing and then getting shot at a Jenner's house, like that's like right here. That's like a.

[Julian]

With the guy, you're. That's also the other person in the car.

[Rory]

There's a lot going on.

[Julian]

It adds a lot to it. I get it.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

All sweetie was doing was putting cheeseburgers in the blender and drinking McDonald's however she makes dinner.

[Rory]

That's crazy.

[Mal]

Taylor Swift was on pace to do 2 million.

[Julian]

It's ridiculous.

[Mal]

That's just absolutely crazy.

[Rory]

You guys listen yet? I haven't. I'm going to though.

[Damaris]

I heard some of it.

[Rory]

She did a record. She aired out Kim.

[Damaris]

I never looked me in my face.

[Mal]

Kim who? Kardashians. Taylor Swift aired out Kim Kardashian.

[Rory]

There's a whole record about why her?

[Julian]

Pull it up.

[Mal]

Why? Somebody just tell me why before you pull the record up. I don't know.

[Damaris]

I didn't hear that one.

[Julian]

Well, because Kim, remember Kim leaked the call when. Yeah, Taylor was lying on Kanye.

[Rory]

Kim lost over a hundred thousand followers after this song came out. People don't play with Taylor.

[Damaris]

She can afford to lose some followers.

[Mal]

No, I mean, but lost followers because of Taylor Swift dissing her.

[Julian]

I get it.

[Mal]

Still just don't even say, like, how does she lose?

[Rory]

That's white motion right there.

[Mal]

How many followers did Kendrick lose?

[Rory]

He probably gained. No, you know what's funny? Does he even have an Instagram about the trigger more? Yeah, he doesn't know the past. All the Kendrick, the the they thems on Instagram, tick tock, whatever, are Team Kendrick because he has a verse with Taylor. So all of Taylor's army is pro Kendrick and they're now trying to like make solo cam, like direct to cam. Let me talk about a rap beef and defend Kendrick.

[Julian]

But didn't Drake do that commercial where he was dancing to Taylor Swift in the mirror? Yeah, with the same moves from the guy.

[Rory]

They like Kendrick more.

[Damaris]

He don't have a bad blood verse.

[Julian]

That's true. The fuck? Well, no, I mean, listen, Taylor's allowed to reply on her time. Kim. Kim shot the first shot.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Ten years later, Taylor got her licked back. Does Cole have to reply to Kanye?

[Mal]

Listen. No, Listen, What? Cole. Cole. All Cole has to do is continue to ride his bike, be a hippie, and just. Just enjoy life.

[Julian]

Kanye was allowed to take that shot. He was still mad at False Prophets. It was just a bad shot.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah. The song's called thank you All Me that allegedly is. Is about Kim.

[Julian]

Oh, give us some bars. What does rap genius say? Did Rob break this one?

[Rory]

Oh, the way it's stylized, spells out Kim with capitalized letters. Oh.

[Julian]

Oh, is that what everyone was saying? Look at the between letters on your keyboard.

[Damaris]

People are just doing that for engagement baiting. Just ignore anybody with a blue check on Twitter. They're annoying.

[Julian]

Oh, sorry.

[Damaris]

It's fine.

[Rory]

So they say this is her most, like, direct effort to talk about everything. And I'm not gonna go through lyrics, but.

[Mal]

Oh, this is not our first time shooting at him.

[Rory]

No, they've had a got on.

[Mal]

Look what you made me do.

[Julian]

Yo, listen, everyone remembers that.

[Damaris]

I'm not here. I'm not here to shit on Taylor. I too, like, Summer Taylor shook the industry.

[Rory]

Probably like 20 time platinum record, though.

[Julian]

Yeah. This is foul. And sorry, Taylor, but someone tweeted Taylor Swift has 400 songs about men leaving her and zero songs about sucking dick. You see where I'm going with this?

[Damaris]

I have no idea where they're going.

[Mal]

She gives. You don't suck enough.

[Rory]

She gives. TV trash head.

[Mal]

That's what they saying. Yeah, I didn't say it. That's what they're saying.

[Julian]

And Swifties. I'll snitch, I'll tell you that. I didn't say that. I just read it.

[Mal]

That was Kim Kardashian right there. Yeah, Megan Fox.

[Rory]

No. You mean the girl from Love is Blind?

[Mal]

No, no, no. The real Megan Fox.

[Julian]

All right, so how does Kim replies? Kim on the Clock.

[Damaris]

Kim's gonna drop. Drop us another insider and not pay Taylor's ass no mind.

[Julian]

You gotta ghost write that one, I guess.

[Rory]

Here are the lyrics.

[Mal]

I can't forgive the way you made me feel. Screamed, fuck you.

[Rory]

You skipped the first bars.

[Mal]

Oh, I'm sorry. When I picture my hometown, there's a bronze spray tan statue of you and a plaque underneath it that threatens to push me down the stairs at our school.

[Julian]

What does that do with Kim Kardashian.

[Mal]

Which many believe is a reference to Kardashian's famous tan.

[Rory]

You didn't even see the tan.

[Julian]

That's the biggest reach I've ever seen.

[Rory]

Nah, Rory, you thought that was her natural color. You fool.

[Damaris]

You fool. Shut up.

[Julian]

Wait, listen, wait.

[Mal]

They thought that was about Kim.

[Rory]

I'm sure there's more context to it, but I guess these are just.

[Julian]

Did it go over our heads? Are we not intelligent? No.

[Rory]

You don't even know Kim Tan like that. You thought she was born that way?

[Julian]

No. All right. Are Kim and Taylor from the same hometown?

[Rory]

Nashville or Pennsylvania, Wherever she's from?

[Mal]

No. You think Kim Kardashians from Pennsylvania?

[Julian]

I don't know where Taylor Swift is from.

[Mal]

He's from Reading.

[Julian]

Okay, so what's all this country shit?

[Rory]

She moved in Nashville, Philly.

[Mal]

I said that and y'all laughed at me. I'm like, wait, isn't she from. But she lived in Nashville.

[Julian]

All right, has Kim Kardashian threatened to push her down steps?

[Mal]

I don't think so.

[Rory]

Wait, there's more lines, too. The bridge. They're saying the bridge is about the feud as well.

[Mal]

The bridge is where it gets nasty. Okay, let's see.

[Julian]

Oh, all right. That was just setting the scene now.

[Rory]

That was a warmup.

[Julian]

Gotcha.

[Mal]

And maybe you've reframed it in your mind. You never beat my spirit. Black and blue. I don't think you've changed much. And so I changed your name and any real defining clues. And one day your kid come home singing a song that only us two is gonna know is about you.

[Rory]

When Satan north come through singing that new Taylor Swift now What?

[Julian]

No, they team Ice Spice.

[Rory]

What are you gonna do?

[Julian]

She did a song with Ice Spice.

[Rory]

Oh, Avengers. Look at Taylor.

[Julian]

Nah, Taylor might got bars. I take it back.

[Mal]

You might have to go back and look at that song she got with Ice Spice and see if there's some clues in there of her going at Kim.

[Julian]

And we got to see the statue.

[Damaris]

Yeah, no, I'm cool.

[Mal]

Yeah, I'm about to go see all this. I'm such a Swifty.

[Rory]

Swifty's bombarded Kim Kardashian following this song's release. Oh, look at them. Flooding her comments. King of Hot Topics. Look at. He's on it early.

[Damaris]

I just don't want y'all to ever look me in my face ever again and say that Taylor Swift is better than Beyonce. I just never.

[Mal]

Who said that?

[Julian]

Who in this room has ever said that?

[Rory]

Oh, why are you looking at me?

[Damaris]

Don't worry. I'll pull the footage. When we were talking about biggest artists, I think we were talking about two different conversations.

[Julian]

No, no, no, no.

[Rory]

Two different conversations.

[Damaris]

The better artist. I think Ma said this. The better artist is going to be bigger. They're bigger because they're better technically.

[Julian]

Taylor is better than me.

[Rory]

I didn't say that.

[Mal]

Please.

[Rory]

Taylor is a bigger artist.

[Mal]

That's.

[Rory]

If that's the argument. I still stand by that she's about to do 2 million.

[Damaris]

Don't worry about it.

[Mal]

I'll find it. Oh, no, just. I'm just saying, for me, I don't know what Julia's talking about finding a shit. Saying that Taylor Swift is a. Is a better.

[Damaris]

No, I'm sorry. You said people could say that. I can't say that. They're lying because she sells more.

[Rory]

Thank you, Cesy.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah. To my people, I say, no, she's a bigger.

[Damaris]

Yeah, you can say, no, not bigger. He said because she's bigger, people will say that she's better. I can't argue with that because she has numbers.

[Mal]

I'm arguing. That's not me saying it. You know, you said y'all told saying y'all meaning us three said that she was a better artist or a bigger artist than Beyonce. I never said it. I'm speaking to her fan base of saying that would be their argument. That's all I'm saying. I don't agree with that. I clearly think Beyonce's the better artist. But I'm telling you, her fan base, I could see why they would say that. Because if she's doing 2 million in a week.

[Rory]

Are you pointing at me? I never said Taylor's a better artist. I said she. She's the most successful artist.

[Julian]

I'm not saying she was a better dancer. I remember.

[Rory]

That's a fact. I mean, look, yeah, obviously Angie's a better diss writer. Like, wait, no, there's more. Apparently, she pieced her up.

[Mal]

She cooks better than Beyonce. You said she dances better than Beyonce.

[Rory]

Yeah, she makes better macaroni and cheese.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's exactly.

[Damaris]

She probably does.

[Mal]

Cook.

[Rory]

I was gonna say Beyonce probably hasn't been in the kitchen.

[Julian]

He cooks better than all of our aunts.

[Mal]

Hov.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Cook what, though?

[Julian]

Greens.

[Damaris]

Oh, I thought he was talking about.

[Julian]

I know. I think he was trying to do an entire, like, cooking crack to get green.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Julian]

But either way, all the aunties of the world should be offended.

[Rory]

But, yeah, I'm curious if Kim will respond.

[Damaris]

Man, Taylor not good, bro.

[Julian]

How would Kim reply? IG caption.

[Rory]

Yeah, the way Drake and Ross have been doing it for last week.

[Julian]

Drake wrapped. Ross wrapped. They're allowed to do ig.

[Mal]

Yo, fan, let me. Again, you cannot say anything when it comes to this. Rappy. Don't say nothing. You just sit there and pull up on the Street. Don't say what? Don't say anything.

[Julian]

You clapped out.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's it. Your horse.

[Julian]

You guys left.

[Mal]

What do you mean?

[Rory]

Why is this like. I'm a fan of hip hop?

[Mal]

I have a new horse.

[Julian]

Horse.

[Rory]

His name's Drake.

[Mal]

No, you.

[Rory]

I'm been on Drake's side.

[Julian]

I'm championing.

[Damaris]

He was riding Drake's dick way before you. Like he was originated riding.

[Mal]

Your horse is in the stable. You can't say.

[Julian]

But he. He switched teams when Cole found him funny. And he was on Drake how switch.

[Mal]

Why?

[Rory]

We don't need to just have one loyalty. We can like multiple. You don't one. You multiple like we can like more than one person.

[Julian]

No, I don't.

[Mal]

Yeah, you can. But you. We know Cole is your guy.

[Damaris]

I had a dream about Cole last night.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's my guy.

[Rory]

Look at where he. Look where Cole's at in her life.

[Mal]

Yeah, he's nowhere else drinking.

[Damaris]

That was what I see.

[Mal]

He's not rapping. Where else will you see him at? Where else would you see him at? Where else would you see this at but in your dreams? He ain't rapping. He's not on tour.

[Damaris]

I mean, at the top of the.

[Mal]

Chart, you don't see this nowhere.

[Julian]

Charts.

[Mal]

The charts. Love going to the pop top charts when they start Pop Tarts.

[Julian]

You love doing that.

[Mal]

How?

[Julian]

Because you're on team Drake. And that's the easiest thing to say when you're Team Drake is look at his numbers. Of course he's better than everyone.

[Rory]

You do say that a lot.

[Mal]

You do say he raps better than all of these dudes, though.

[Rory]

Yeah, but you talk about the charts.

[Julian]

I think I'm the only objective person.

[Damaris]

Oh, please. Oh, get the.

[Mal]

You can't wait for Kendrick to say something so you could come in here with your Mr. Morale and the big.

[Julian]

What have I been team getting the little steppers. You know, we record these. I've been the only one that's been objective and not move the goal post. I put everyone to the same standard. When Drake was on the clock, I said, drake, I don't give a about your tour. It's time now. Drake dropped and he gets raised post.

[Damaris]

Last episode when you said. When you were talking about the clock and you were some. Oh, we said it was a battle.

[Julian]

Before, but that's not moving now.

[Damaris]

It's not a battle because Drake. And until Kendrick engages, it's not a battle. So I'm changing it. You admitted to that. You and Julian admitted to that. And I stood on 10 toes and said, no, that was a diss. The clock been started. They've been engaged. Like, no.

[Julian]

I said, from the beginning, I've never changed. Drake was on the clock. Would that like that? We argued about him being on tour. And I said, he has recorded albums on tour. I don't want to hear that.

[Damaris]

And then you came back three weeks before you said, I'm coming back now. The beef doesn't start until Kendrick engages. Did he or did he not say.

[Julian]

That out of context? Because it was a new question of is it now one nothing? Do we con. Do we compare push ups to like, that? And I said, no, we don't. Now it's really on. If we look back on Ether Vers takeover, we don't. Now it's push ups versus whatever Kendrick is about to drop. That's what I said. It was recorded. You guys moved the goalpost. I've kept everyone on the same rules and same standards.

[Mal]

No, you haven't.

[Julian]

Yes, I have.

[Mal]

It's okay.

[Rory]

And I agree with Rory that. That the. We don't score these two against each other. We score push ups versus whatever Kendrick drops next. That's it.

[Damaris]

I'm not moving my horse going, oh.

[Rory]

Well, what do I score?

[Mal]

What are you. We're not doing.

[Rory]

Leave him out of it.

[Mal]

What do you score? All right, stop. What's his score?

[Rory]

He's great.

[Mal]

He's great. What's his score is what I'm asking.

[Julian]

I know.

[Rory]

It's bigger than the game.

[Julian]

His score is peace of mind.

[Mal]

That nigga's in summer school, man.

[Rory]

Yeah, his score is. His score is a nice score.

[Damaris]

He dropped out of school, but his score is.

[Mal]

That. Got to go to summer school, man. It's over. He failed.

[Julian]

Yeah, he.

[Mal]

It's crazy that he fucking failed.

[Julian]

It's over how you lose before either of them replied.

[Mal]

It's the bro. I'm telling you, man.

[Julian]

How you go from undefeated to defeated?

[Mal]

Yeah. Before anybody even stepped in the gym. Yes, well, craziness. All right, well, we'll be back in a couple days to talk to y'all. We'll see if Kendrick. He won't, okay? So let's just stop. He won't respond.

[Damaris]

He's not. Kendrick's not responding. And I'm over. At this point, I don't want to hear the. I'm over it.

[Mal]

Oh, see, there you go. There you go. See, it's starting. They don't even want.

[Rory]

That being said, if Kendrick doesn't reply, which he will, but if he doesn't Mall. Drake wins.

[Damaris]

There you go, telling me that Drake already won. Drake already won to me.

[Mal]

Still.

[Rory]

I've said from the jump, Drake's gonna win. This whole. Playing with him is not.

[Mal]

No, you did not. It's like you was. It's all recorded in North Carolina.

[Rory]

What does that have to do with me?

[Mal]

First of all, you were in North Carolina and Commander.

[Rory]

First of all, General, you were walking.

[Julian]

Around the grounds, like, listed.

[Mal]

You was, like, listed. Who wants be listed?

[Rory]

But even in this whole thing, Drake and Kendrick. Drake and Cole were on the same team.

[Damaris]

Yeah, so he said their team was.

[Rory]

Yeah, I said their team. Cold Mind by Drake still in the fight. He'll win. I don't think Kendrick's got it. I don't.

[Mal]

You don't think he's got it?

[Damaris]

I hope Kendrick don't diss us.

[Mal]

Kendrick gonna need 14 alien voices to come back.

[Rory]

He gonna need to speak in Klingon.

[Mal]

Yeah, he going.

[Rory]

That shit from Star Trek.

[Mal]

He gonna need all of that.

[Rory]

So that. What's that language in Avatar? He's gonna learn a bunch of new shit.

[Mal]

All of that. I just want to hear it, though, because Kendrick, obviously, we know that we don't have to say he's a great artist.

[Julian]

Will you listen with an open ear?

[Rory]

I always know all types of shot.

[Mal]

My ears always.

[Rory]

Oh, he got dick in here.

[Mal]

Y'all just. Y'all just mad. Y'all, y'all. You know why y'all mad? Because everybody. Y'all thought. Everybody. Y'all thought was. Y'all was. Y'all horse in the race.

[Rory]

We're so past it. The call thing.

[Mal]

We're beyond the cold thing. Like, just period. Y'all came in. Yo, Drake is on the clock. Soon as that. Like, that run that episode.

[Julian]

So you're admitting how you can't see if I was through this entire thing.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Julian]

Because now I'm yelling Kendrick's on the clock.

[Mal]

No, no, no. I'm not to what you're saying. True. I'm just saying that it's fun to see how it went from when like, that dropped and the energy that was in the room to where the energy is now. Yeah, that's all I'm saying. Yeah, but that's how. That's how beefs happen.

[Damaris]

Anti Drake, bro. Niggas were never anti Drake.

[Mal]

Anti Drake. I'm just saying, y'all came in here and y'all wanted that man to engage in a beef while he was still on a tour.

[Julian]

Yeah, I'm a rap fan.

[Mal]

Hold on. And I said, yo, he can't finish the tour first, because when you get into a rap beef, you have to become a whole different person.

[Damaris]

That had a Newark show. He. At the end, it was like his last show. He have to do. He was fine. Yeah.

[Mal]

And what came out a week later, after his short tour was over.

[Damaris]

Yes. He was still on the clock. You can't. You said give him three months. Was not giving him three months.

[Rory]

Three months, period.

[Mal]

Okay. So it looked like that's what Kendrick is about to do.

[Damaris]

And he is gonna look continuous to say that he's. He lost.

[Julian]

If we came in here, it was like, not. Kendrick can take his time. Then we look like we're moving the goalpost and being biased.

[Mal]

The bottom line, we're saying the same thing.

[Julian]

Kendrick has to reply.

[Mal]

Generation Z.

[Damaris]

No. Millennials.

[Rory]

Millennials.

[Mal]

You millennials. Y'all knew things.

[Julian]

You're a millennial, too.

[Rory]

What are you, a baby boomer?

[Damaris]

No, he's not. Yo, he might be. He might be a millennial.

[Julian]

You.

[Mal]

You millennials, y'all.

[Julian]

Millennials.

[Mal]

I'm a millennial, too.

[Julian]

Yes.

[Mal]

How?

[Julian]

You're what, 80? 100, 82?

[Mal]

81.

[Julian]

You. You are the first millennial.

[Mal]

Okay, so I'm the OG Millennial.

[Julian]

You are. You started this shit.

[Mal]

So you. You. You little. You little young punk millennials, y'all got this new thing that. Where it's facts. It's called dick riding. That.

[Julian]

That's true. That's.

[Mal]

Y'all think. Y'all created that. If it's facts, it's dick riding, which is crazy to me. Like, I didn't know facts was like me riding dick. I didn't. That's like some new.

[Julian]

Okay, back to showing how objective I am.

[Rory]

Literally the cut off.

[Damaris]

First of all, you talking about facts and a rap battle. Battle. Your predictions of a rap battle can never beat facts.

[Mal]

What?

[Damaris]

That's just your opinion. If you think a song is good, that's your opinion. That's not a fact.

[Mal]

True.

[Damaris]

Yeah. So you talk about facts and dick writing. Nobody's talking about facts.

[Mal]

No, I'm talking about the facts of what's happening and what's going on is what I'm talking about.

[Damaris]

But you're talking about facts that you were predicting but. Or you were saying before things ever happened, they weren't fact. A fact can't be a fact if it didn't happen yet, you came. If a fact did not happen yet, it's not a fact. If a piece of history didn't happen yet, it's not.

[Mal]

I think. I think we're arguing matter of fact. I think we're talking about two different things. What I'm saying is if something is true and it's a fact. True and you know that is true and that it's a fact. People will call you a dick rider for saying that that is a fact when they know that it's a fact. Y'all, the 30 year old started that. Y'all started that. That was never a thing. Facts was always facts. If it's a fact, you know what nigga say? Yo, you right.

[Damaris]

Well, what fact did you say that? Niggas called you a dick writer.

[Mal]

For anything I'm saying, Anything that I'm saying that's related to Drake, the record, him dropping the verse, him on tour, anything I was saying, yo, he's on tour. Why y'all want him to respond right now? You. You riding dick. He's on tour. That's a fact. Right now. Y'all want him to respond right now.

[Julian]

And I replied.

[Mal]

I thought that that was crazy. Nigga said I was riding dick. I'm like, he's not on tour. That was a fact. Then the dates was up. You could see he was on tour.

[Damaris]

But I don't think that's where you got all the, like, cock writing allegations. I think the cock writing allegations came from when you started saying that Drake was the greatest rapper ever. And the only person that was better at him than rapping was Jay Z.

[Mal]

Am I wrong?

[Damaris]

That's what. That's your opinion, but that's opinion. So that's why I say you can bring fact into something.

[Mal]

One of your favorite rappers of all time, one of your favorite people, Kanye, he said the same thing. Is Kanye riding dick?

[Julian]

Do I ride Kanye's dick, Paul?

[Mal]

No, I'm saying Kanye said that Drake is the greatest rapper ever.

[Julian]

He's. He's been accused of riding Drake's dick before. Before the Beast.

[Mal]

Okay, well, I didn't know that.

[Julian]

No, you are correct. My generation does that. If you say one bad thing about or just any type of criticism you're hating. If you say one kind word, you're dick riding.

[Rory]

This is.

[Julian]

That's. You're right. That's.

[Mal]

Our generation created that.

[Rory]

This reminds me of this. I think this summarizes this current conversation.

[Damaris]

We'Re having as hell.

[Mal]

Get off that dick, bro.

[Rory]

What is you doing?

[Mal]

No, you're right. I was dig. Right? That's what I'm saying, bro. You gotta calm down with that. Yeah, my fault, my fault. That was an okay shot right there, though.

[Rory]

Oh, my God, bro.

[Mal]

Is dick riding all you do? You. You literally got that dick in your mouth right now. I see it.

[Rory]

So that's been your comments for the last two weeks.

[Julian]

Where I get really offended with the dick riding stuff is we have a perfect example of that in an abundance right now. With stand culture, we know what dick riding look like.

[Mal]

All right? So to me. To me, what dick riding.

[Julian]

You don't know what dick riding looks like to me.

[Mal]

To me, what that means is.

[Julian]

Yeah, see, it didn't work.

[Mal]

If you're saying something and it's completely wrong.

[Julian]

Have you seen the barbs? Have you seen even the beehive? Every stand group is included in this. We know what dick riding looks like. So if I say I like a song, don't call me a dick rider, because we know what a dick rider looks like.

[Mal]

If I say I like a bar, I like a battle, I think this guy's winning the battle. That's dick riding now.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

No, but I think they might also be referring to is when the. When the dish dropped, like, because you. The dis drop. And like, you sat down and was doing that shoulder move.

[Julian]

But that was funny, that.

[Damaris]

I think that's what it was. I'm not referring.

[Rory]

They said you were bouncing on it when you were doing that.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Julian, I'm saying whatever.

[Mal]

I just think that it's just a generational thing. I think that that's some y'all made up to, like, hide your insecurities.

[Julian]

Your generation. Generation invention is the most homophobic people. Your generation invented. The vernacular that we use in regards. Regards to that stuff, like, everything that is somewhat of an insult in regards to liking another man and their craft was from your generation with some homophobic, gay slurs.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

What?

[Julian]

We didn't get the term dick riding from our. We didn't make that up. That's. Y'all homophobic that you taught to us.

[Rory]

True.

[Mal]

No, but bless us. We used it in the correct term. Y'all have made it your own thing.

[Damaris]

So what's dick writing according to old people?

[Mal]

Speak to old people speaking, like, to.

[Damaris]

Like, what's dick riding according to the older generations? Like, what. What would be dick right into y'all?

[Mal]

If somebody is doing something wrong and you know it's wrong and you still jacking what they doing? Like, nah, that's dope. Like, you come on my. You know, that's not. That's dick ride.

[Julian]

It's a loyal friend.

[Damaris]

So if somebody has, like, I picked.

[Julian]

A nurse's heel up. She was wrong.

[Damaris]

I was. I fell Like, I couldn't.

[Julian]

I stood with her. I stood at her when she was wrong.

[Damaris]

So when I was growing up, what I thought of, not what they call what I thought of dick writing is like, is not just being a fan of someone, but that person. Like you said, that person can do no wrong. And just like, they have clout. So anything they do, you're just like hyping it up. And like, it's a repetitive thing. It's like, all right, like, we get it. Like, that's your man's. Or you. Okay, like, but like you dick riding at this point. Not just like, oh, I like him or something like that, but it's like a repetitive thing. Like, you got to keep reminding us that you like him.

[Rory]

Hence the writing.

[Mal]

In this story. I don't see where I did any of that.

[Damaris]

I'm. No, I'm not saying so that's what I'm saying.

[Mal]

I'm just laughing at the way that that term has turned.

[Rory]

Well, I'm gonna. I'm trying to think about it from the perspective of people that are consuming most of our content and where we're pulling from, which are Instagram and Twitter comments. In the clips we put out, there was like three or four clips in a row. Maybe not in a row, but like in a two week span.

[Mal]

We're talking about a battle of us discussing the battle.

[Rory]

But you overly defending Drake or like defend him against.

[Mal]

There's nothing to defend him against.

[Julian]

He's not.

[Rory]

He doesn't maybe defend on supporting Drake, let's say support. Because I think it just comes down.

[Mal]

To you put out. That's dick. We're talking about the record he put out. Is dick riding. Y'all got it.

[Rory]

When you said he was the Lupe thing, that whole clip, there was multiple clips.

[Mal]

Because I'm dick around him. Because I don't think that Lupe raps better than Drake. I thought we just said it was subjective, Ma.

[Rory]

I agree with you.

[Mal]

So which part?

[Julian]

I asked you the questions at the top of the episode. That's what I'm being.

[Mal]

I'm just trying to figure out. Because my thing is, I try. I'm trying to understand, like, what is the current thing now? That's all. So I'm just trying to understand. Oh, that's considered dick riding. Oh, okay, Got it.

[Julian]

Like I said in the beginning, it's the optics of that clip of me naming rappers. You admittedly having a relationship with Drake. And so it's the time that there's been no Kendrick reply. So all we've been able to do is talk about Drake. I'm not saying it's. It's true. I'm telling you how someone could view it, that's all.

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Julian]

Same.

[Damaris]

Nobody's. No, none of us are.

[Julian]

I don't think you're dick riding Drake at all.

[Mal]

No, I'm not saying you. I'm just talking about what this generation says. I'm just trying to figure out how y'all use terms and words, that's all.

[Julian]

We learned them from you.

[Mal]

Yeah, but we use them correctly. Y'all took them and made them.

[Julian]

All right. Poetic justice, you know, we try to take the culture further.

[Mal]

Okay, all right.

[Julian]

New meanings to new words.

[Damaris]

I see.

[Julian]

You know, anyways, yeah, either way.

[Mal]

With that said, with that being said, thank y'all for listening. Newroarimal.com tickets available? Well, no, not yet.

[Julian]

Not yet. Soon.

[Mal]

Soon. Tickets will be available for shows, but merch is available. Subscribe to the Patreon, subscribe to the YouTube, and we'll talk to y'all soon. About 48 hours.

[Julian]

Yes, sir.

[Mal]

Another 48 hours, we'll talk to you. Be safe, be blessed. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. Peace.

[Julian]

New worry and mouth.