Episode 266 | Mr. Mal v.s. The Big Steppers

Summary

Podcast Summary: New Rory & MAL - Episode 266 | Mr. Mal v.s. The Big Steppers

Introduction to the Battle

In Episode 266 of New Rory & MAL, hosted by iHeartPodcasts and The Volume, the conversation centers around the intense rap battle between Drake and Kendrick Lamar, specifically focusing on Kendrick's album Mr. Morale & The Big Steppers and Drake's subsequent diss tracks. The episode dives deep into the release strategies, lyrical content, and the broader implications of their musical exchanges.

Key Tracks Released

The discussion begins with Drake initiating the beef through his track "Family Matters," where he addresses personal allegations and criticizes Kendrick Lamar's authenticity. Drake states at [00:06]:

"I'm not no pedophile."

Kendrick Lamar responds by downplaying the impact of his own track, emphasizing the strength of "Family Matters" as a diss record. At [00:57], Kendrick remarks:

"Family Matters is probably the best song in this whole show."

Drake continues to assert the superiority of his diss moves, particularly highlighting his track "Euphoria." He declares at [03:00]:

"I could be wrong. But it's something funny there."

Strategies and Execution

Rory and Mall analyze the strategic releases by both artists. Kendrick's approach involves releasing multiple tracks in quick succession, each serving a different purpose—ranging from personal admissions to club anthems. At [05:03], Kendrick notes:

"So I definitely shifted as the week went, but when Euphoria first came out, I was like, all right, that's cool."

Drake counters by praising the technical aspects of Kendrick's music but remains firm in his belief that his diss tracks hold more weight in the battle. He asserts at [12:45]:

"Let's just talk about the bars, the music. Let's get to that. Who's putting out the better music?"

Controversial Claims and Speculations

A significant portion of the episode delves into the controversial allegations presented in Drake's diss tracks, such as claims about Kendrick's personal life, including accusations of domestic violence and paternity disputes. Drake emphatically states at [34:53]:

"I've got an 11 year old daughter."

Kendrick challenges the veracity of these claims, suggesting that they may be fabricated to undermine his credibility. At [09:35], Kendrick articulates:

"I think people have such an eye for Kendrick and how much they love him."

The hosts debate the authenticity of these allegations, with Rory expressing skepticism about Drake's claims. Rory comments at [38:14]:

"The perception is Drake to Rory's point. That's why I say Kendrick is the real loser here."

Fan and Social Media Reactions

The episode highlights the role of fan bases and social media in amplifying the battle between Drake and Kendrick. The hosts discuss how online narratives and meme pages contribute to shaping public perception, often blurring the lines between fact and fiction. Kendrick observes at [32:01]:

"Try to be objective in this room. I listen to more Drake than I do Kendrick Lamar. But objectively right now I think Kendrick Lamar is winning."

Drake counters by emphasizing the subjective nature of music consumption and personal biases. He remarks at [51:13]:

"That's what always happens."

Impact on Artists' Reputations

The conversation extends to the broader impact of the beef on both artists' reputations within the music industry. Kendrick suggests that Drake's over-explanations of his alleged misconduct only serve to damage Drake's image further. He states at [28:40]:

"He sounded so frustrated and flustered, and I don't really think he is."

Drake defends his position, arguing that his diss tracks are purely musical and not personal attacks. At [36:40], Drake asserts:

"I'm just Drake and Kendrick, doubt. Like, I don't."

Conclusions and Future Outlook

As the episode wraps up, the hosts reflect on the future trajectory of the beef between Drake and Kendrick. They speculate on the possibility of further exchanges and the lasting effects this battle might have on hip-hop culture. Kendrick concludes at [133:54]:

"It's happening right now, and I'm saying I'll be the first to say. I'm a hypocrite, a bunch of shit I stand on moral grounds about that I don't budge on."

Drake maintains a forward-looking perspective, emphasizing his focus on his music and personal life amidst the ongoing drama. He remarks at [137:14]:

"I'm just chilling."

Notable Quotes

• Drake [00:06]: "I'm not no pedophile."
• Kendrick Lamar [00:57]: "Family Matters is probably the best song in this whole show."
• Drake [03:00]: "I could be wrong. But it's something funny there."
• Kendrick Lamar [05:03]: "So I definitely shifted as the week went, but when Euphoria first came out, I was like, all right, that's cool."
• Drake [12:45]: "Let's just talk about the bars, the music. Let's get to that. Who's putting out the better music?"
• Drake [34:53]: "I've got an 11 year old daughter."
• Kendrick Lamar [09:35]: "I think people have such an eye for Kendrick and how much they love him."
• Rory [38:14]: "The perception is Drake to Rory's point. That's why I say Kendrick is the real loser here."
• Kendrick Lamar [32:01]: "Try to be objective in this room. I listen to more Drake than I do Kendrick Lamar. But objectively right now I think Kendrick Lamar is winning."
• Drake [51:13]: "That's what always happens."
• Kendrick Lamar [28:40]: "He sounded so frustrated and flustered, and I don't really think he is."
• Drake [36:40]: "I'm just Drake and Kendrick, doubt. Like, I don't."
• Kendrick Lamar [133:54]: "It's happening right now, and I'm saying I'll be the first to say. I'm a hypocrite, a bunch of shit I stand on moral grounds about that I don't budge on."

Final Thoughts

Episode 266 of New Rory & MAL offers an in-depth analysis of the Drake vs. Kendrick Lamar beef, exploring the complexities of their musical exchanges and the strategies employed by both artists. The hosts provide a balanced perspective, acknowledging the lyrical prowess of both rappers while scrutinizing the personal allegations and their impact on public perception. As the beef continues to evolve, listeners are left contemplating the future dynamics of hip-hop rivalries and the role of media in shaping these narratives.

Transcript

[Drake]

He did rap about it. Now y'all saying you Maddie rapped about it. The are y'all talking about?

[Kendrick Lamar]

Okay, now that's exactly what he did.

[Drake]

On the hard part six. He rapped about this is taking his fake information. I told y'all this on family matters. When I said you digging for dirt. You should be digging for proof. I got pictures of the little girl all in the video plastered on the wall. I'm playing with this dumb and he's going for it. I'm the most lit in the game. Y'all mad and there's no skeletons in my closet. I'm not no pedophile.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Stop.

[Drake]

That's the only thing y'all know that could end my run is me being. And it doesn't exist. Stop the. But you, Mr. Lamar, you hit your girl because she's bigger than you. You put your hands on your girls. You've been engaged for years. You're not married yet. You living in New York. She's not. Let's talk real. All this 11 year old daughter y'all talking about and he. Oh, he. Because he released it right after the family madnesses. It's a better. Get the out of here with that.

[Kendrick Lamar]

We didn't say it was a better record. We said Family Matters is probably the best song in this whole show.

[Drake]

It ain't no probably. It's the best record that's released in this entire beef. No worry enough. They not like us. They not like us.

[Rory]

They not like us.

[Drake]

They not like us. They not like us. They not like us.

[Kendrick Lamar]

And we are back. I almost cursed because that's how excited I am. But I don't want to get demonetized. Even though Kendrick is, you know, making sure we all good. We can monetize everything thanks to Kendrick. Never seen that before.

[Drake]

How you feeling, man? How was your vacation? How was your birthday?

[Kendrick Lamar]

My plan of trying to stay off my phone or not pay attention to anything obviously failed.

[Drake]

Yeah.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Said last week.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Watch. Cause we thought this was over. We really thought that maybe Kendrick was just stepping out of the ring and he was above it. Cause like, that was number one and he was gonna do everything on the album. And then I said, watch him drop. The week of my birthday, I get on the plane to Mexico City, wake up, connect to the WI Fi, and what do I see? A response.

[Drake]

Yeah, which one? Which. What response was that? When you. Mexico.

[Kendrick Lamar]

That was euphoria.

[Drake]

Because I feel like it's been a whole. Like a whole slew of.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Oh, no, that. That just started. So I literally this entire battle happened in our vacation. The first record dropped when I was on my way. The second one dropped. I'm sorry. The last one dropped when I was on my way back. So I. I got this entire thing just in Mexico City time with the worst WI fi you could ever think of.

[Drake]

Damn.

[Kendrick Lamar]

So I was just going from like restaurant to restaurant. Like, hold on. Okay. I got through one minute of it.

[Drake]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Seven records dropped from the span of April 30th to May 5th. Six. Sixteen in LA. Family matters. The Buried Alive parody Meet the Grams, Not Like Us in the Heart, part six.

[Drake]

So you went away, you went to Mexico. I went down to Florida to see my brother. And like you, when I was on the flight, I was asleep on the way down there and I woke up to a bunch of text Messages and missed FaceTimes.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Yep.

[Drake]

So I knew what that meant. I'm like, okay, something happened. So then I see the Euphoria record is out. So once I got in the car on the way to the house, I said, let me listen, let me listen to this Euphoria. And so I'm listening to it. I'm like, okay. Pretty good. I liked it. But we knew this. This is Kendrick. We're not expecting anything less than high level rapping bars. Let's air out some dirty laundry. Whether it's true or not, we'll get to that later.

[Kendrick Lamar]

But I knew the angle, yo.

[Mall]

You knew. Keep coming.

[Kendrick Lamar]

So Mo and I have not spoken at all. I think we briefly spoke on FaceTime.

[Drake]

The first time and my phone was fucked up the last like four or five days, I got my new phone trying to all my back. But yeah.

[Kendrick Lamar]

And our group chat was pretty quiet cuz everyone was doing their own vacation thing. You know, we'd throw certain things in there every now and then.

[Rory]

We really didn't talk much, but every.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Day while I was with my daughter trying to enjoy my birthday, I was like, I wonder what Maul thinks about this. Same the entire time. I'm like, what angle will Ma take on this.

[Drake]

This record about Euphoria?

[Kendrick Lamar]

We can start with Euphoria.

[Drake]

Okay, let's start it.

[Mall]

Who's your favorite bar?

[Drake]

It's been so many raps, I don't even know what the no from Euphoria.

[Mall]

What's your favorite bar?

[Drake]

What is my favorite part of Euphoria? I see the angle that Kendrick was going with out the gate with Euphoria. It was to try to strip. And it's been working because the things I've been reading about Drake online, the Past week is fucking. It's like, whoa. I didn't know people felt like this about him.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Did you bring any of it to his radar?

[Drake]

No, you don't need to bring none of this to his radar. He's read all of this and shit I haven't even read yet. I'm sure he's read, but I saw that angle. You don't take care of your kid and whatever, whatever. I'm like, all right, strip. This is a character assassination. I like it. I like this angle in the battle. Let's strip. The guy that everybody thinks is this bigger than thou and holier than thou and he got some shit on his jacket too.

[Kendrick Lamar]

So I definitely shifted as the week went, but when Euphoria first came out, I was like, all right, that's cool. I wouldn't put it as a kill shot. That's not going to get it done. And you know, people in Drake's camp had alluded that there was another record that had the so called nuke or whatever. So I was like, all right, I don't know if that's going to get it done, per se. Good shot, Kendrick. But I don't know. Then you posted a photo of a.

[Rory]

Nuke, the fallout shelter.

[Kendrick Lamar]

So I stopped what I was doing because you posted a nuke. And then within a few minutes, these so called nuke Family Matters drops. I think it's probably one of the best diss records Drake has ever done for about six minutes.

[Mall]

Hold on, wait, wait, wait, wait. Because you missed. You did skip 616 LA. You missed the back to back.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Oh, I. I'm sorry. I thought 616 came after.

[Drake]

Which 616.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I apologize. Yeah, so the next day it's with the Al Green sample. So the next day, after Euphoria, after arguing with everybody I was with because they were all from la, which is also annoying when you're trying to have a birthday dinner and you're sitting with the most biased Kendrick Lamar fans of all time that would not stop saying that yfm Melly line the whole fucking time. Like we couldn't get through dinner without them just saying that back and forth to each other. Then the next morning, 6:16 in LA drops. That's my type of shit. I like when Kendrick's on soul beats. I thought that was a cool again, cool record. Didn't think it was going to get it done, but I liked it a lot and I like the strategy of all right, Kendrick's. Now these rumored 10 records that he had. Maybe we'll get A bunch of these, then. Birthday shot time. It's 11:59, May 3rd. All in a circle, about to take a birthday shot. Midnight hits, all notifications, family matters. Drake. Everyone leaves my birthday toast naturally.

[Rory]

Look at the poll Drake has.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I'm just sitting there like, oh, shit. This is what Drake made fun of me.

[Rory]

He left you alone again?

[Kendrick Lamar]

This guy is so good. He even added me into the diss.

[Drake]

Happy birthday. Happy birthday.

[Kendrick Lamar]

But I was excited as fuck. So we all run to, like, this TV thing that we could go to YouTube. Yeah, watch it. I'm sitting there like, all right, man. See, this is why you shouldn't play with Drake. This might be one of the best battle records I've heard. Visual was crazy. The switch up. The third verse might be the best verse in this entire battle.

[Rory]

It is.

[Kendrick Lamar]

That lasted for all, ironically, about six minutes. Then we went back to try to fake do my birthday toast again because I obviously felt away. And then I get a notification. Kendrick Lamar has dropped at 1207.

[Rory]

You got to meet the Grams.

[Kendrick Lamar]

So we all run back, and I have never seen a record step on another record the way that happened. This is where I think we. We need to get in the weeds of this entire ordeal in this week. The fact that Kendrick Lamar stepped on one of. One of the better dis records I've heard in my life says something about his strategy. Like, you can say what you want about the records, but in the week of strategy, he was outmastered. How the fuck do you step on that record?

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kendrick Lamar]

How do you step on somebody saying your business partner is. Is the father of your child?

[Drake]

Well, that's why.

[Kendrick Lamar]

You know how insane that is that you're able to step on that.

[Drake]

Would. Wouldn't you want to step on that?

[Kendrick Lamar]

Oh, of course. No.

[Rory]

But he did. I'm saying perfectly.

[Kendrick Lamar]

What a perfect way to do. So, Like, I could never imagine if one day Damaris came in here and was like, yo, just let everyone know, like, Amar is actually Maul's daughter. And then we just kept potting. Like, he didn't just say that when.

[Rory]

I was at home.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Can you imagine? Let's just move on to the next topic.

[Rory]

When I was.

[Drake]

Whoa.

[Kendrick Lamar]

What he just say?

[Rory]

When I was at home, my parents. I was like, giving them catching him up to speed. And. And when Kendrick said that line, I paused the record. And Drake said a line. I paused, right? And I was like, what the. My mom was like, dad, like, what? And I was like, ma. That's like, if we found out Amara was mall's kid. And we were like, that's the reality. But it doesn't matter because then Kendrick just. It doesn't matter. That should matter so much more than it did if it's true.

[Mall]

It should matter if it's true.

[Rory]

I don't. But why doesn't it matter at all? It seems like no one gives a fuck. That's insane, right?

[Kendrick Lamar]

All right. What I think it is, what I.

[Drake]

Think is I'm listening to what you have to say.

[Kendrick Lamar]

For what I think is going to be a theme throughout this entire conversation starts with this. First of all, if any of this is true on both sides, everyone involved, awful. You guys are the worst human beings ever. We all got our with me too. But Jesus Christ, the music industry, the nightmare down from Metro to Ross, everybody is clearly a piece of shit. But I know people are lying. It's a battle. I get it. Where Drake may have lost before things even started was his perception over the years because he has been a superstar and we know everything about him has kind of been somewhat of a shitty person to the masses. I'm not saying he is. He's actually been nothing but nice to me. He seems like a good guy, but he's had the perception of a lot of shitty things, as every superstar has. Kendrick's one of the few that didn't really have a stain on his jacket. So even if Kendrick's lying and Drake is telling the truth, it seems like it would check out more with Drake on the shittier stuff. So I think people have such an eye for Kendrick and how much they love him. Saying that is business partner is the father of his kid. Doesn't check out. Doesn't even make sense. And it's coming from someone we deem to be a piece of shit. And anything Kendrick says about this so called piece of shit is gonna land because we're gonna think it checks out. Does that make any sense?

[Drake]

I mean, I just. It's just interesting to hear and this is why I love social media and Internet. Because we can all be looking at something and listening to something and all receive it differently. So I'm just. I'm just listening to how you have received the records and you know, your perspective on it.

[Kendrick Lamar]

So I mean we can get into family matters, but meet the grams. I will say I liked a lot. I like that it stepped on the record rather than the actual song. Does that make sense? Like it was a cool. It was a very obvious. The way I shit it on Mr. Morale of like super surface level therapy. It was kind of like that to me it's like, all right, we've kind of been through. You're just taking Push Push's angle and making it a six minute song.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Kendrick Lamar]

So it was the move rather than the song that made it win to me. Now, no one's addressed anything Drake has said in family matters.

[Drake]

Why?

[Kendrick Lamar]

Because they haven't had to. Because their strategy has been better than Drake's.

[Drake]

Okay.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I'm still waiting on your opinion for family matters to that move.

[Drake]

Listen, fuck all that. Drake is smashing this nigga, man. He's punishing this nigga. He's out rapping this nigga. It's not even close. The music is way better. The visual is way better. I fed you fake shit and you ran with it. You thought I had an 11 year old daughter. You're a clown. You digging for dirt, she be digging for proof. He gave you everything.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I was just trying to get to this. He gave you the long winded. Just waiting for you to get to this.

[Drake]

Sitting here talking. Just talking. Let's just talk about the bars, the music. Let's get to that. Who's putting out the better music? I don't care who's putting out more music. Who's putting out the better music?

[Kendrick Lamar]

Okay, you could say Not Like Us is the best song that came out this. So who has the best music?

[Drake]

You can say all of this shit is the best song. But we know at the end of the day with the best music, the best rapping. That second verse on Family Matters.

[Rory]

Third verse, 20v1, third verse.

[Drake]

No, no, no, fuck the third verse. We know what that is. Talking about. The second one where he's talking to everybody.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Okay?

[Drake]

Nigga said he couldn't say nigga. He might have said it 616 times in that verse.

[Rory]

I saw what you did.

[Drake]

Smashing all of y'all. That beat, that flow, what he's saying, smashing you. I'm not here to play games and throw out fake shit that I fed you. I'm talking real shit. Are you beating your wife? You've been engaged since 2015. Y'all not married yet.

[Rory]

It's the third person.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Okay, but why? Why is what Drake is saying the truth?

[Drake]

I heard that might be Dave Freeze Kid. I heard it might be. I'm not saying it. I'm leaving room to be. I'm leaving room to be wrong.

[Kendrick Lamar]

He doubled down on it on Hard Part six of saying that is.

[Drake]

I'm still leaving him to be wrong. I could be wrong. I could be wrong. But it's something funny There it's something funny there.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Because he likes a photo of Kendrick's wife and their kids.

[Drake]

It's more than that. Why are you not following your fiance?

[Rory]

Why does that matter? I don't see. I'm not doing that.

[Drake]

Same. The same reason y'all picking apart dumb.

[Kendrick Lamar]

That Kendrick is saying.

[Drake]

I'm just throwing out there.

[Rory]

I'm. I think I'm. I went into this. We know rap beefs are filled with lies in cap like the whole car seat in the condom. I your. You fat my. Like. I get it. Let's. I'm just assuming everything is either the truth or a lie. That's where I try to look at it. I'm not trying to pick apart what is what Drake said. Right? Is what Kendrick said.

[Drake]

Right.

[Rory]

I'm just blanket statement. Let's say everything Kendrick said is true and everything Drake said is true. Who won. And I think a lot of this the meat of this beef comes to how well Kendrick executed Meet the Grams on what was Drake's nuke. He neutralized his nukes.

[Drake]

It's fake information that he fed this dude. I fed you that and you fell for it. To me that's a win. If I feed you some fake shit and you run to the booth and you write some shit down and you make a record. I'm laughing at you like you'll get this idiot. He don't even.

[Kendrick Lamar]

In theory, yeah, that should be it. But nobody cared. That's what I'm trying to say with Kendrick's strategy.

[Drake]

Nobody cared. But if kid. But see but if I'm not saying I don't care. Kendrick fed Drake some fake shit and Drake made a record for it. Everybody will be laughing at this idiot.

[Rory]

I particularly don't really believe Drake when he said he fed him all this fake information. That's where I'm at.

[Drake]

So you thought they found that in Drake's dad's suitcase. You thought that.

[Rory]

Oh, I'm not even the artwork. I'm not even worried about the artwork. I don't care about the artwork.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Actually discussed that part.

[Drake]

You thought Drake had 11y old.

[Rory]

No, bro. We. We convinced people we see this like.

[Drake]

This that I can't. You think the biggest artist know. You think the biggest artist in the world after going through what he went through a battle in his battle with pushing, you think that he would have had a kid older than that kid and we would have never known about it.

[Mall]

So he would have been hiding that one already before.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Yeah, it would be.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

I'm not saying I believe It.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I don't believe it, but I think he has one of the biggest artists to ever live with, access to every woman on earth, may have a couple other kids. I don't think that's the craziest thing to think, bro.

[Mall]

I would be surprised if you got.

[Drake]

A K after already going through a paternity thing. After going through a paternity thing. You think that. Oh, it's. It's one that's older than this kid.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Yeah, maybe he didn't know.

[Drake]

Stop it, man.

[Rory]

Also not saying it's true, by the way, but it's plausible.

[Kendrick Lamar]

And let's. All right, let's go back to that artwork thing. This is where I'm kind of on some of the side of people saying Drake might be lying in this whole thing. Is Kendrick Lamar that dumb that somebody's going to hand him, Yo, I found Dennis Graham's suitcase with, with Drake's medication in it.

[Drake]

He said, come on. He said he had. It was a mole in his. Kendrick said that on the first record. It's a mole in your camp. It's a mole in your camp. Somebody right next to you. Somebody's right next to you. Yeah, they feed. So he thought he had an end. He thought somebody was really feeding him shit from his camp. He fell for it. He took the banana and the tailpipe.

[Mall]

Okay, so where's the proof that it's not that none of this is real? Where's the. You keep saying, where's the proof for this? Where's the proof of that? Where's the proof that none of this is real?

[Drake]

You think he has an. You think drake has an 11 year old daughter?

[Mall]

It don't matter what I think.

[Drake]

I'm asking you.

[Mall]

It doesn't matter. No, but it doesn't matter what I think. What I'm saying is, where is the proof? This mad shit I think ain't true. That's turned out to be true. What I'm asking is where is the proof that that's not Drake's medication? Where is the. Where's the proof for these things? You're asking for proof? Why does Kendrick have to prove shit And Drake, though?

[Drake]

I didn't say Kendrick. I didn't say Kendrick had to prove anything. I'm just saying let's just be smart here. As soon as I heard that ball, I'm like, oh, man, somebody fed this nigga. I didn't know it was Drake that fed him the bullshit. That to me was more genius. Like, oh, you sent that info to him. That's genius. Shit, when it comes to battling. Like, look, I know he thirsty to find something. Let's send a mole at him and let him take this information and then make a record about it and think he got one up on me. That.

[Kendrick Lamar]

That's unbelievable to me that somebody that probably is cool with Kendrick and Drake could go and say, yo, he also has another kid, just let you know. And Kendrick running with that. This is where the artwork makes me think both sides are fucking lying. Because I don't think there's a world where Kendrick Lamar is approached with a suitcase of Dennis Graham's that has Drake's medication receipts, a Maybach glove like, y.

[Drake]

Why you don't think that's. Why you don't think that's believable? If you think he got a mole. If you think he got a mole from that side.

[Kendrick Lamar]

When you think when he buys Tupac's ring, they give him a CVS receipt, you think Kendrick Lamar thinks that?

[Drake]

Bro, if he thinks this is Drake's dad's suitcase, he's gonna believe anything that's in there. That's what you not understanding.

[Rory]

I don't.

[Drake]

There's a reason he made this. You think he made this? The artwork? You think this is the artwork? Because he didn't believe it.

[Rory]

I also think there's a world where, look, these guys are businessmen. They're creatives. You can just fake the.

[Drake]

What.

[Rory]

What do you need a $20 printer and a couple empty pill bottles to, like. I think it's that I have all this information on you. I don't think any of this shit's real. I can make a fucking fake receipt right now about some Ozempic pills that you're on. Like, it's.

[Kendrick Lamar]

What are we.

[Rory]

We convince people that genocide is necessary right now? Like, making a fake pill bottle is not the most strategic.

[Drake]

Whoa.

[Rory]

Anyone can do this.

[Drake]

All right, so. So I. So back to. Back to what matters here. Back to what matters. Y'all are sitting here telling me that y'all feel like Kendrick is out rapping him, but not because he's putting out more songs. Y'all feel like he's saying better shit. He's making better songs out of this ocean.

[Kendrick Lamar]

He's making better decisions.

[Drake]

Yeah, because he decided to step on because he dropped the record right after Drake.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's part of it.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Stepping on that and then coming right back with a record that everyone could dance to. That was a. He made a pedophile anthem that can play in a party for the rest of the year. And then this Is where.

[Drake]

So Drake naming. So what about the last record, the Hard Part six? Drake naming that, taking that record, taking that name, that, that title that we all know Kendrick was gonna probably.

[Mall]

Everybody knew that he was gonna do that. I said that three days ago, tweeting that days ago.

[Rory]

And I'm not. I'm not like, oh my God, you're the insider. It's not. It's just like a lot of this stuff predict. Like you can see where this stuff's trending. I think The Hard Part 6 was Drake's first mistake in this beef.

[Drake]

First his. Wow. Is that a biggest mistake?

[Rory]

Maybe not his first for what? I don't think this was a good record.

[Drake]

Why not?

[Rory]

I just don't. I. Again, I'm not really on the sense and this is a me statement. I don't believe that Drake was this mastermind, puppet master behind doing all these strings and things. I personally do not believe that.

[Drake]

So that's why you think this was a mistake.

[Rory]

So I think it. It. I know a lot of people are at the Twitter timelines like it's waving his white flag. He's putting the sword down. I also don't necessarily believe that. I just don't think this. This song was effective to what he actually should have done.

[Drake]

I think you thought Meet the Grams was effective?

[Rory]

It was very much, yes, incredibly effective.

[Drake]

He stepped on the song, but I.

[Rory]

Stepped on the mall. You've been talking about this nuke for two weeks, bro.

[Drake]

That means the Grams.

[Rory]

He put a T shirt on and put the fire out in 10 seconds.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Fire Alchemist beat. You don't like that beat.

[Drake]

I don't like that song.

[Rory]

The impact of that record.

[Drake]

Not like us is dope. I like that record.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Drake]

And I like Euphoria.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Okay.

[Drake]

But that Meet the Gram. Get the out.

[Rory]

It has no mall. It has zero replay value. But it's impact greatly.

[Drake]

It has no replay value. Has no impact. Don't only put those in the same.

[Kendrick Lamar]

There's a lot of battle records that aren't made for replay value.

[Drake]

Yeah, name one.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I think most of the thing. Unless you want to go sit there and go through that nostalgic time. Most battle records are like that with. Do you still listen to 300 bars and running?

[Drake]

I'd never listen to that record.

[Kendrick Lamar]

But it's one of.

[Drake]

I know you don't too much rap.

[Kendrick Lamar]

It's one of the better.

[Drake]

I don't want to hear all that rap.

[Kendrick Lamar]

300 pretty much.

[Mall]

You know, like a lot of heavy rapping is what you're Saying, no, that's.

[Drake]

Not what I'm saying. I don't want to hit 300 bars from. No. I don't give a who's spitting it. I. I can't. My brain cannot retain three.

[Kendrick Lamar]

You think Super Ugly and Ether have replay value? No, they're just great class records.

[Drake]

They're moment records that have replay value at the time. I mean, it's been a bunch of years since that came out. But, yeah, a couple years after that record came out, people were still playing Ether. Okay, Nobody's playing Meet the Grain, so.

[Kendrick Lamar]

But let me land that point.

[Rory]

But it crushes when you put out.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Five other records and one of them is probably going to be a number one single. Yeah. You can take a mulligan and step on Drake's nuke with Meet the Grams. Even if it doesn't have replay value. I know you're about to do this Dave Free shit, so I'm going to dissect your entire family life seven minutes after you drop it to make everyone forget. That's a fucking amazing. With fake news on one verse.

[Mall]

With fake news on one verse. Even if he had left that daughter shit out, it would have still stepped on it.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Drake]

Anything he said because of the time, and he just put it out right after. People went from Family Matters to Meet the Grams, like, okay, we're gonna listen to both of them.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Kendrick Lamar]

And then the following day, putting out a record for all of us to dance to.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Steps on everything that Drake was trying to do. So I'm saying I'm not here to argue with who rapped better. This is both two elite rappers.

[Drake]

You still have to Drake about rap better rap decisions. You still have to argue about who rap better. That's why it's a battle.

[Mall]

Okay, so, Mal. So, Mal, you're saying I don't count Buried Alive parody as a actual. I don't. Nobody counts that. Right. You're saying outside of Family Matters. Because Family Matters is one record. And I agree with you. I think that Family Matters is one of the best records to come out of this record.

[Drake]

Out of it.

[Rory]

It's the best record in this whole thing.

[Mall]

I prefer Euphoria, but I can understand that. I'll agree with you guys on that. Okay, fine. Family Matters is the best record. You're saying that on the Heart Part six, Drake out wrapped Kendrick on Euphoria.

[Drake]

Absolutely. Absolutely. And this is not coming. This is coming from niggas that really rap that's on my line saying, like, it's not even close. It's not Even close.

[Rory]

You didn't even rap on Hard Part Six.

[Drake]

What?

[Mall]

I'm not a pedophile. I'm not a pedophile and I'm not a pedophile. It's elite. I'm not a pedophile.

[Rory]

It was a pr. It was like a glorified PR statement.

[Drake]

Drake wasn't rapping on the Hard Part Six.

[Kendrick Lamar]

So what is.

[Drake]

So what is the marriage talking about? Somebody asked what the marriage is saying. He wasn't rapping. Julian. Julian said he wasn't rap.

[Mall]

Said. He said I'm not a pedophile. I'm not a pedophile. Aha. We play Information Bag, which we already.

[Rory]

I'm too rich to be a pedop. What did he say?

[Kendrick Lamar]

Too famous.

[Rory]

Which was famous. That plays it. That's their bag.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Yeah.

[Rory]

That's the prerequisite.

[Kendrick Lamar]

It doesn't get caught.

[Drake]

That's. Yeah, that's.

[Rory]

That's what gets you in Ireland.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Yeah. Your hands. The uncle's the only one that gets caught.

[Drake]

So. So. So you think Drake is a pedophile.

[Rory]

No, I'm not. See, that's the thing. I'm also not here to. To throw smart on either of their names.

[Drake]

Okay.

[Rory]

I'm only talking about the music. But I did want to real quick before we move on to the Hard Part Six just to counter what Mall said. The effectiveness of Meet the Grams is. Look at if. If not like us followed Family Matters. I'd talk very differently about this battle because those two records aren't even Family Matters washes. I think everything on this screen right now.

[Drake]

Family Matters.

[Rory]

The Grams did what it did. It neutralized the fire. And then you put out your club record Family.

[Drake]

It didn't the fire. Hard Part 6 is right. Is still is here with fire. We right back to it.

[Rory]

I. I don't think. I just. Do you think Drake has more? Because it sounded like he's.

[Drake]

Of course he has more.

[Mall]

The. Are you talking about the one that said that he was done.

[Rory]

This is a fun little cute little exercise.

[Mall]

And let's. And let's. Let's talk about this because I. I do. I. This is something I do want to address when we talk about this. We have to talk about this from the perspective of the general population. Not. I have Drake's phone number and I know this and I have this information. No, no, no.

[Drake]

I'm not listening to music.

[Mall]

We are.

[Drake]

That is not rapping better than Drake was rapping on family matters. That 20 v 1. That 20 v 1 part of that family Matters record where he's shooting at all of them. That drill, beat that flow. Everything he's saying in that, he is smashing.

[Mall]

Why did he decide to shoot at all them other people again when Kendrick has been on his ass with all.

[Drake]

You, all you that has something to say to me. Don't think I forgot. It's. He's told y'all them was in there. That's not. It wasn't a surprise.

[Mall]

Okay, you already dissed them on push ups. You already gave them a bunch of a bunch.

[Drake]

And I got a lot more and I got a ton more for you.

[Mall]

But that's. But you keep talking, talking about how, oh, I'm mad that everybody else is jumping in. Ross. Ross jumped in.

[Drake]

I wasn't. That's not what I said. I said at that moment. I said at that moment I would have. I would had rather Ross. And you see how I played it. We don't even talk about that record no more. So clearly he could have kept that. What I'm saying is, in that moment, it would have been best if Ross just played the meme game. This Drake on IG stories, post caption and all that. Cool. Because that took a kind of the momentum and the focus away from what everybody was here for. Everybody's here for what we have now, this moment. Drake and Kendrick. I'm not mad at Ross for responding because Ross is the mc. Whenever n say your name as an emcee, you step right to it like, oh, what he just said, I'm in the booth. I respect it. But just in the matter of the scope of what's going on here, it was like, damn, Ross. We could have just held that for. Till this was over and then we could have reconvened and got to that. That's all. But I'm not mad at the Ross for putting that out. He's an emcee. He's supposed to stand behind his pen. I'm never mad at that. Just the timing of that. Just the way. The same way y'all respect the timing of Meet the Grams. The timing of the raw shit to me was just a little off. It was like we could have waited for that moment. But back to this situation at hand. Kendrick is a phenomenal mc, phenomenal rapper. You'll never hear me say anything less about Kendrick. I fuck with Kendrick, love Kendrick's music. But in this moment, in this battle, I'm just listening to what these two guys putting out. Now Kendrick is putting out more songs or put out more verses or whatever. How you want to break it down. Maybe the timing of him putting out Meet the Grams after Family Matters. Cool, I get it. Great strategy. Step right on the fucking now. Here's my record. Love it. But after we take all that away and we just sit down and listen to music, fuck the time. And when it dropped. And when it dropped, Niggas is not going to tell me that Kendrick put out a better song or verse than Family Matters or the hard part 6. As good as Not Like Us is love. Great record that's gonna go off in LA every day. Party that's gonna go off. That don't mean that it's better than Family Matters. That don't mean that he's rapping better than him on Hard Part six.

[Rory]

You really like the Hard Part six, bro?

[Drake]

The intricacies of that. You told my A minor something. B. Playing the notes of A minor. B, D sharp, D major. Like, bro, that's what this is. It's showing skill. I'm listening to the music who say, even if this wasn't Drake and Kendrick, it was two dudes we never even heard of. This nigga's putting out better bars and better songs than this other nigga. That's all I'm saying.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Can. Can you, can you rap Bad decisions though. This is my problem with the Hard Part Six. And even though I do think Drake is an elite, battle tested mc, he always ends up having to explain himself. And that's the L's he takes. He goes and sits and talks about why he didn't reply to Pusha complaining about he took it too far. Kendrick has ignored everything single thing that has been said about him. That's why we keep ignoring it. Why is five minutes of I'm not a pedophile. Why are you explaining yourself? You're giving it more validity.

[Drake]

Five minutes to that.

[Kendrick Lamar]

And Kendrick, he went into a whole.

[Drake]

Reason why he was. He's even choosing that angle. He went to talk about that part like, yo, why are you so heavy? Why are you trying to call me a pedophile? Like you really standish.

[Mall]

But he also.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I was going.

[Mall]

He made a mistake with that too, because Kendrick wasn't molested. And on that song that he's referring to, Kendrick says, I'm not molested. He literally says that I wasn't molested.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Cool. But I'm saying first thing I thought was, oh, what a great angle. But boy, did you fuck it up. Like, we can't talk about who's lying when you could have just listened to the song and fact checked what happened. You still could have actually had that angle that you're so pissed off that your mother was molested. You could have. That scheme is still a great reply. I'd like that. But he. He was wrong. You can't be this puppet master doing everything. But you guys forgot to check rap genius of. Of that record. You guys were the masterminds of everything. But misread some lyrics on Mr. Morale.

[Rory]

Yeah, so.

[Kendrick Lamar]

So that's. That's a mistake. Especially when you're calling people liars and you're lying at the same time.

[Drake]

So that's the angle you're taking on that. But.

[Kendrick Lamar]

And then at the end.

[Drake]

But, but you don't think that he fed him fake information and that he went with fake?

[Kendrick Lamar]

Probably. I think that whole thing is bullshit.

[Mall]

I think the daughter thing.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Oh, yeah, that's. That's a possibility that I could believe. Now at the end, Drake, like, we. We don't have a short term memory with this shit. For a whole week you were baiting Kendrick to drop, which I was with, because you rapped. Let's get this guy back outside. He said he wanted to do this. You can't go for a whole week harassing someone to drop. And then when they do, you go, yo, you burnt this shit out, man. Too much. Like you asked for this. Why are you saying that at the end? Yeah, but he wrapped his ass off. But did the mistake that he did on the pusher shitsu. Stop explaining yourself with a bunch of other shit. Stop explaining to us why you had your child in interviews. They forced Drake to always have to defend himself to make himself look more guilty.

[Rory]

He's not good on the defensive.

[Kendrick Lamar]

And if you look at what Kendrick has been doing this entire time, it's insane that nobody has said a word that Drake is tripling down that you beat the shit out of your wife. There's a high possibility that your business partner is the father of your kid. Kendrick has ignored that with everything and either made therapy records or dance records. His strategy has smoked Drake's. Drake is really trying.

[Drake]

He's smoking Drake because he's not addressing what somebody's saying about it.

[Kendrick Lamar]

It's a good strategy in a battle when everyone is focused on the faults of these people. And Drake is now explaining himself about it and Kendrick's not even addressing it. It makes it look like that was such a crazy lie. Like, bro, Dave is not the father of my kid. I did not beat my wife. Well, I'm not even addressing this.

[Drake]

Oh, he didn't beat his wife.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I don't know.

[Rory]

We maul. We don't know. But the point, the perception is Drake to Rory's point.

[Drake]

But y'all know that. That Drake didn't send. And this didn't send. That. That suitcase. Y'all don't know if. I don't know that you just said that.

[Mall]

No, we're talking about what we believe he said. I believe that this can happen. We don't know anything. We're not friends with these people. We don't know anything. We can go off of what we believe and what common sense.

[Rory]

I also believe in the power of marketing people that are on the team. I think it's very possible, like I said earlier, that someone just got empty pill bottles. You make fake receipts. Like, why are we active?

[Drake]

It's full.

[Rory]

Peach makes the most beautiful, elegant, chopped up Photoshops in two minutes for us every Tuesday and Friday. These people have access to all these tools. You could. It's all about perception.

[Drake]

Yeah.

[Rory]

That's why I don't think someone from OVO ran to the embassy, grabbed a suitcase, flew to Dumbo, because obviously Kendrick's here in New York. It's not a big deal. And handed him a suitcase on the water and was like, here's all your. I don't think that happened.

[Kendrick Lamar]

All right. And if that is the case, because again, I do believe that there probably was a case where someone told him about a kid that didn't exist. Great fucking move on. Drake's bath. That's Art of War shit.

[Drake]

That. Fuck that. But let's talk about the music.

[Kendrick Lamar]

You really think Kendrick Lamar is taking a you up? The music checks out. Who is.

[Drake]

Who is rapping better?

[Mall]

I personally, I think that Kendrick is rapping.

[Drake]

No, you don't.

[Mall]

Yes, I do.

[Drake]

You do not.

[Mall]

Yes, I do. I'm sorry.

[Drake]

I think Kendrick is rapping better. You think he's putting out better songs?

[Kendrick Lamar]

I think Drake might put the volume level of it. Yes.

[Drake]

The volume level. Do you think, Julian, do you think that Kendrick is rapping better? He's putting out better songs?

[Rory]

I think it's a toss up, I think, where it currently stands. Well, are we. Are we just talking lyrics or are we talking about the battle itself? I think this is like a great boxing fight where every fighter's trading rounds. So right now, because I don't think the Hard Part six was great, I still think Kendrick's up, up, whatever the score is, by one point. That's where I'm at with it. But I don't think Drake's watched. I'm Also not going to be sitting here.

[Drake]

He's at one point because he put out Meet the Grams after he put out Family Matters.

[Rory]

I just think in terms of the. The battle, the entire scope of the battle. Kendrick's up a point. That's it. I think a lot of it for me has to do with the Meet the Grams moment. But other than that. Yeah.

[Kendrick Lamar]

And the fact that the Grams can chop off or make equal in that round with Family Matters, which is Drake's nuke crazy.

[Drake]

That record is not that. I don't know what the fuck. It would have been amazing if Drake really does have a record. Would have been like, oh my.

[Kendrick Lamar]

It was so. It was so ineffective. It was so ineffective that Drake on the Heart part six had to go, hey, everyone, do you remember that I said that he beat his wife and that Dave is father. That's how ineffective one of the best battle records was.

[Drake]

And he jumped out of Instagram trying to.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Stop trying to explain because he's telling.

[Drake]

You y'all sitting here listening to fake made up shit. I'm telling you some real shit he's tripling down on. Like I'm. This ain't made up. He posted this is real.

[Rory]

He posted this a minute.

[Drake]

This is.

[Rory]

And this is to Rory's point. Stop getting on the defensive. He posted this minutes after Meet the Grams came out in that whole fucking rap about it. Stop defending.

[Drake]

He did rap about it. Now y'all saying you Maddie rapped about it. The are y'all talking about?

[Kendrick Lamar]

Okay, now that's exactly what he did.

[Drake]

On the Hard Part six. He rapped about. This nigga is taking his fake information. I told y'all this on family matters. When I said you digging for dirt. You should be digging for proof. I got pictures of the little girl all in the video plastered on the wall. I'm playing with this dumb and he's going for it. I'm the most lit in the game. Y'all mad and there's no skeletons in my closet. I'm not no pedophile.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Stop.

[Drake]

That's the only thing y'all know that could end my run is me being. And it doesn't exist. Stop the. But you, Mr. Lamar. You hit the girl because she's bigger than you. You put your hands on your girls. You've been engaged for years. You're not married yet. You living in New York. She's not got. Let's talk real. All this 11 year old daughter y'all talking about and he. Oh he. Because he released it right after the family Matters. It's a better. Get the out of here with that.

[Kendrick Lamar]

We didn't say it was a bad record. We said Family Matters is probably the best song in this house.

[Drake]

It ain't no probably. It's the best record that's released in this entire beef.

[Mall]

Okay?

[Drake]

Even if we all say that smashing on you.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Drake]

Mad City van. I hit the latch and let the door slide.

[Mall]

They said that's the wrong van. No, that wasn't. That was a Dodge career van. Listen, listen.

[Kendrick Lamar]

That was nitpicking to me. Listen.

[Drake]

That'S what is going to do.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I didn't even care about.

[Drake]

Yo, it's not the same.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Give me one second.

[Drake]

He smashing these to what your point is?

[Rory]

The van has 660 miles on it.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Drake is not that. Drake is not a pedophile. How could you not be objective in the strategy that Kendrick Lamar put him in a corner where he had to explain to the world that he wasn't. You know, how crazy you look. Explaining to the world that you're not a pedophile, bro.

[Drake]

Do you know? Do you know?

[Kendrick Lamar]

He forced his hand. He had to. You think that was Drake's strategy?

[Drake]

I think from the beginning.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I'm gonna do a whole record about how he's not a pedophile. Drake strategy forced him.

[Drake]

Drake's strategy is in anything.

[Kendrick Lamar]

It's a lose, lose.

[Drake]

No, Drake's strategy is like what most fighters would do or most people in the battle do you counter. Okay, what he just said, all right, I'm smashing all that. That shit is dumb.

[Kendrick Lamar]

And Drake is one of the best offensive fighters. He's one of the worst offensive fighters.

[Rory]

Thank you. He's not good at countering.

[Kendrick Lamar]

He's the best at offense.

[Rory]

He's not a good counter mall. Because he gets too defensive. Look what. Look what happens when. When Drake makes Kendrick counter, he losing.

[Drake]

Because he's too defensive.

[Rory]

When Drake makes Kendrick counter, you've never.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Lost the argument once you start explaining, you know how much crazy.

[Drake]

Do you know how crazy y'all sound right now? Mall y'all sound.

[Kendrick Lamar]

The defensive person usually loses the conversation.

[Rory]

Thank you. Every time. Every time Kendrick responds to somebody put.

[Drake]

If somebody calls me a pedophile and puts it out to the world, you think I wouldn't address that?

[Kendrick Lamar]

Not a pedophile record like that.

[Mall]

If somebody called you a pedophile, you not coming on this podcast, say, yo, by the way, I'm not a pedophile. You gonna sit there and say, man, get the out of here with that. I'm not addressing no, I'm gonna say.

[Drake]

I'm not a pedophile. But who said. Oh, oh, not. But I'm not a pedophile. But you beat your girl. Yeah, that's what I would do. That's what I. Y'all want to throw lies. I'mma throw facts. You beat your girl.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I miss. I miss your girl.

[Mall]

You keep saying that.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Pedophilia.

[Drake]

You keep saying that.

[Mall]

That's fact.

[Drake]

Are you will might not want to your girl.

[Mall]

Are you willing to put that out that you know for a fact that that's a fact? Because none of us allegedly know that something.

[Drake]

You trying to stick me on the stairs.

[Kendrick Lamar]

At all?

[Drake]

Fact.

[Mall]

Says who? Says who?

[Kendrick Lamar]

Ma.

[Mall]

If you're not willing to say how.

[Kendrick Lamar]

You know it's a fact.

[Mall]

Now it's a fact.

[Drake]

Well, let's just stay tuned because more is to come. Let's just stay tuned. How about we do that? How about we stay tuned? And just.

[Rory]

And just to Damaris's point, I'm still under the impression where assuming everything's true from both parties, that's how we analyze all the stuff. I don't think it's fair to nitpick. Well, Drake said this. Therefore say for the sake of argument, Drake's hiding a child and Kendrick beat his wife.

[Drake]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Now commence. That's kind of where I'm at with it. Like everything's true.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Progressive times. The only. The only stain. So I would be beating your wife. They could have some freaky weird relationship where Dave like. Like that. That'd be cool in these times. True.

[Drake]

And you see they gonna say, I got my cape on you. This just said it's cool if your manager your girl and had the baby with.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I. I don't agree with the progressive times. Have you heard me speak?

[Mall]

I mean, Rory said they might all be. We don't know. But that shouldn't go sick. My. This is my thing with what you're saying with smashing. Right. Let's say that Family Matters is the best song.

[Kendrick Lamar]

We all Polyamorous Lang Gang.

[Mall]

Everybody believes in that. Family Matters is the best song.

[Rory]

This is the P. That's not the.

[Mall]

Only song that he put out. So you're telling me that Push Ups is also better than everything that Kendrick put out? You're telling me that the Heart part six is also better than everything that Kendrick put out. You're telling me that with a straight ass face.

[Drake]

I think it's better than Meet the grams and 616 in LA.

[Mall]

Okay, I. I'd agree with you on that.

[Rory]

You only Like, I don't think the.

[Mall]

Heart part six is.

[Drake]

But I agree that the hard part six. No, no, no. Y'all trust me when I tell you that is a very special diss. Right record.

[Mall]

Okay?

[Drake]

That record is going to age very well.

[Rory]

So that's where I'll agree. I think that has the potential to be a super effective as of now, where it stands. I don't see it.

[Drake]

It just came out last night.

[Mall]

I hate it here.

[Kendrick Lamar]

No, but what Julian saying, if Drake has a follow up to that that is connected to the Heart Part six, then yes, it's a great strategy. The same way I'm saying Family Meet the Grahams wasn't the craziest thing, but how it worked within this whole steam was perfect. Heart part six could be that way. I don't know yet, bro. As of right now.

[Drake]

Yeah.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I don't even like you were.

[Drake]

I don't even like. I don't even like Meet the Grams. I just like the fact that he dropped it after Family Matters. Y'all not even saying y'all.

[Mall]

I like the Grams. Yes, yes.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I like that you like Meet the Grams. Yes.

[Drake]

You like that record?

[Kendrick Lamar]

I do a Fire Alchemist beat. I think it was a great strategy.

[Drake]

Tell me about the beat.

[Kendrick Lamar]

What you.

[Drake]

I'm talking about the song, what Kendrick is saying. You like that shit. You was jacking it. He was jacking it sitting down, reading out of his diary. That's Ms. Sondra. And yeah, they're talking to a daughter that doesn't exist. Yeah, well, that part, that was fire to you. That was fire. Right?

[Rory]

Well, you can agree conceptually, that's a great record to address everyone in his family by name again.

[Kendrick Lamar]

But it in a battle, that's a great angle to take. Push took it and never really landed it because we were only focused on the kid thing.

[Drake]

I liked. I like that if. If it was real, if that daughter situation was real. Oh, I love that record. But when you just saying that ain't real. That would use fed. It's like, like, all right, fan. That's like wearing fake jewelry. It's like, get out of here.

[Kendrick Lamar]

But you don't think that ain't dope.

[Drake]

That watching is fake? That chain ain't dope. It's fake. That's a fake chain you wearing. Get out of here.

[Mall]

One thing.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Okay, but you don't think that was what Kendrick was doing with Drake's existence on Meet the Grams. All that fly that we like him when he does the gambling when he's in Turks when like all that breaking that down to that being a problem of an insecure man. Again, I don't know him for real. He may not be but the perception.

[Drake]

That'S part of it. Take what you see somebody do and like okay, he may have a gambling.

[Kendrick Lamar]

So to break down all the issues of the things we even deem Drake to be fly about getting all the women in the fucking world always having bad bitches. He tore that whole shit apart. Tore it apart. They're 37, 38. These aren't two 22 year olds. A 37 year old telling me bro, stop paying for sex and Turks. You're awful with money. You need to really be around for your kids. Whatever's true and what's not true doesn't really matter in a battle when you're going this angle. I thought it was genius. It makes you look at him differently.

[Drake]

With Drake has a gambling problem. You think that's fly? You think that's cool? Like I like that.

[Kendrick Lamar]

No, but I think right now, yo.

[Drake]

You beat your girl and your general manager might be your step kid's father.

[Kendrick Lamar]

And let's stay ground in this conversation. No, I don't think that's a flat thing. But do you think right now when online gambling is at its fucking highest and we know for a fact that we are going to have a million degenerate gamblers within five fucking years, especially the younger kids. Yes, I think it's fly that Kendrick broke down how he could have even gotten a gambling problem from his fucking pops. Bullshit. Like it's a perfect angle because state what a genius thing for Drake to.

[Drake]

Do if Drake got a gambling problem, as much money I don't give a fuck about a G. Kendrick, are you putting your hands on that girl? That's what I want to talk about. Don't tell me about a rich having a gambling problem.

[Mall]

Don't talk about one point his girl. You don't stop. We're not gonna sit up here.

[Drake]

You don't care about a Mr. Morales beating women behind the street.

[Mall]

We're not gonna sit up here and act like Drake give a about hitting women when he shouted out Chris Brown on the same goddamn.

[Drake]

So I'm asking you a question. I'm asking you a question. I'm asking you a simple question.

[Mall]

It ain't about what I care about. I'm talking about what these care about.

[Drake]

Don't make it seem like you give.

[Mall]

A about domestic violence when you shouted out Chris Brown on the in the.

[Drake]

Scope of what we're talking about in the scope of what we're talking about. You can't say it's dope to attack somebody's quote, unquote gambling addiction on one hand. But then don't be mad if somebody say, oh, but I like the fact that if he's. If this is a domestic violence case that we have going on here, if he's abusing his fiance, that's not a dope angle to take to expose that. You trying to expose a gambling addiction.

[Mall]

Great.

[Drake]

It's a gambling addiction. It's not harming anybody.

[Mall]

But that's one small part, because I'm.

[Drake]

Just asking y'all questions from both sides.

[Mall]

Kendrick is addressing Drake's culture vulture ways and the way that he steals from the culture.

[Drake]

What did he.

[Mall]

We not talking about how he.

[Drake]

All of you, including he's in a beef with. Nobody wanted to take that on tour. The are y. Y can't. This is where it stops. Because y'all can't dis the. That helped y'all.

[Mall]

Yes, you can.

[Drake]

And you look crazy. You look crazy. Dissing the. That didn't gave you. We did it. Did what?

[Kendrick Lamar]

And vice versa.

[Mall]

Oh, my God.

[Drake]

Who. I did.

[Kendrick Lamar]

People went back and forth. That helped each other.

[Drake]

We helped that man.

[Kendrick Lamar]

He helped us.

[Drake]

No, no, no. That man stole.

[Kendrick Lamar]

It's a different difference, okay?

[Drake]

It's a dish. So don't. So. So stop right there. Don't compare.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Well, maybe Kendrick checked the door.

[Drake]

That don't compare. That don't compare. That. Don't. We not. We not. We're not comparing that.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I didn't want to talk about that.

[Drake]

We're not comparing that. Don't ever bring that up in my presence. We're not talking about that.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Cool.

[Drake]

What I'm saying is real. This helped all of these. That's been. Go. Go find this. Don't make me sit here and look like I'm dick riding.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Go.

[Drake]

Look at all the interviews. These are saying, yo, if it wasn't for homie. If it wasn't for him, yo, if it wasn't for him. I don't even know what. Yo, yo, yo, salute to the. I'm not. Don't make me say it. These niggas said it. Kendrick thanked this. Rocky thanked this. The Weeknd thanked this. Rick Ross thank this. Now he don't write his rhymes. Kanye said, yo, he wrote all my shit. I wish I could have that nigga write all my records. The Lord and Savior, Kanye, all of a sudden. No, no, I'm talking now. All of a sudden, I got to sit here and look Like I'm some OVO dick riding Drake caper when I'm just presenting the facts. He helped each and every one of these. You would have never knew who the the Migos was if Drake didn't remix Versace. What?

[Rory]

Oh, my God.

[Drake]

Now she. Now she bouncing.

[Mall]

These was so you the me.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Oh, my God.

[Drake]

Was not lit like that until Dr. Drake remixed Versace.

[Mall]

Of course he made them hotter. But why do you think he got out Versace, bro? Why do you think he got out Versace?

[Drake]

Oh, my.

[Mall]

Stop.

[Drake]

Where these. You gotta stop.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Fight night didn't come out right after.

[Drake]

What are y'all talking about, man? What are y'all talking about?

[Kendrick Lamar]

Like Leor and Kevin.

[Drake]

Oh, now, now, set up to beat him and get the out of here with that.

[Kendrick Lamar]

You just said Drake did.

[Mall]

So you don't think. Okay, so listen, I'm never fighting against that Drake.

[Drake]

I'm not saying them wasn't hot. I'm not saying they have a buzz in Atlanta. I'm not saying that. Let's be. For. Let's be real. Real, of course. But we not going to act like when you put the Drake stamp on something that don't turn it. That's target. That's getting your in target.

[Mall]

We not going to act like Drake just puts his stamp on there for free because he's a charitable person. Come on now, bro. He benefits from too. And that's the point. He benefits from too. Vlad, give people a platform to come on there too. Fine, but they call him a vulture.

[Drake]

All right, man, y'all got it.

[Rory]

You said Drake's lad.

[Mall]

No, I'm not saying that. Drake is flat. But I'm saying just because you give somebody a platform doesn't mean that you're not also using them as well. Let's address.

[Drake]

All right, but can we look at this? Can we look at the scope of things? Who needs who?

[Kendrick Lamar]

Neither of them need each other at this point. They're correct.

[Drake]

Who needs who? What?

[Kendrick Lamar]

Kendrick does not need Drake and Drake does not need Kendrick.

[Drake]

I'm not talking about Kendrick. I'm not talking about Kendrick. It's other. It's other niggas that's involved in this.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Oh, all right, we're back to the old shit.

[Drake]

We talking about the beef, right? We're talking about the beef.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Are we. We're focused on Drake and Kendrick. I don't give a fuck about Metro. Even though I thought it was funny that he did the beat contest shit between funny. Whatever. I don't care about Metro. I don't care About Rocky. I don't care about Ross. I'm glad he's safe. And I like. That's crazy that after saying that plane shit, karma's fucking nuts.

[Mall]

Yeah, be careful.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I don't care about that shit. The same way you said champagne moments or whatever that shit was called came and went. Of course it did. Because nobody cares. It was funny. For the day, we're just focused on Kendrick and Drake. And that was. Even though Family Matters was the best, I think some of them a mistake too. After euphoria and 616 in LA, the first thing you start talking about for the first minute and a half is other people.

[Drake]

People.

[Kendrick Lamar]

We here for you and Kendrick, bro. I know you probably had that verse for a long time.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's why the whole first verse.

[Drake]

Of Family Matters is to Kendrick.

[Mall]

It's the second verse, I think.

[Kendrick Lamar]

And then.

[Rory]

But we know that was done.

[Drake]

Who's the first verse to?

[Kendrick Lamar]

Metro Weekend.

[Rory]

He kind of named us.

[Drake]

He has a line about them. One line?

[Kendrick Lamar]

No, he has a whole. It's actually a majority about Weekend, the first one. And then the second one is about Rocky and then smoke.

[Mall]

Let's do a. Let's do a lyrical breakdown zone. I'm always pro lyrical breakdown for Family Matters for the first verse also, I.

[Drake]

Think next record out, cuz I'm not talking about this or you anymore again in my life. My. All right, all right. Peace.

[Kendrick Lamar]

You did what Ross used to do in the videos when he'd hold his phone up and you could see that. You could see all the apps.

[Drake]

I mean, because it's just at this point, it's like it don't even.

[Rory]

Wait. Did that just happen or am I just.

[Mall]

He's being funny.

[Rory]

All right. Right. No, I didn't know if you had.

[Mall]

Have said they give your ass a dp, but you civilian gang in real life, you PC. You know who really bang a set? My yg. You know who really bang a set?

[Drake]

My. We have to break this down.

[Mall]

Yes. You said it was all about Kendrick. Y'all arguing about that.

[Kendrick Lamar]

So line for line.

[Mall]

But Metro slime for this main squeeze out here begging for attention. Say please. And then back to Kendrick. Always rapping like you about to get this. Like you about to get the slaves freed. You just acting like an activist is make believe. I think that with the. In the angle that Kendrick came at Drake with, I think he should have left that line out.

[Drake]

Why?

[Kendrick Lamar]

It allowed Kendrick to reply back and say, look at him doubling down on. On not freeing the slaves. That's like it Allows to set up.

[Drake]

That's not what he said. You see this? See how people will take you just said and turn it.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Welcome to a rap battle. Great move, Kendrick.

[Drake]

Oh my God. Now that's a great move. He just said he's rapping like. Like you. You act. You just acting like an activist. It's make believe. Like you're not really like that. So that's what he said. It has nothing to do with slaves being freed. He's saying this. That's acting like this dude that that's what he's all about. He's not like that.

[Kendrick Lamar]

So can you be objective and say Kendrick was great in taking that bar and showing another side of it that actually landed. That actually landed when Kendrick said it. It's a little different and I'm going to stay out of like the mix six kids situation. But there was a lot of mistakes and stuff that Drake was saying. When he's saying that Kendrick is the liar. Like both your kids aren't light skinned to go play in the park. Like there's just certain stuff that doesn't land. Especially when you're trying to call someone a liar and you're lying. But you could say the same for Kendrick as well. That's where I'm being objective. We don't know either side outside of some of the facts. Just go listen to mother. I'm sober. That's not what happened. Any of this mixed back and forth thing whatever. But we know we've seen all your kids.

[Drake]

I'm just. I'm still. Well Julian said he's kind of on the fence about who's.

[Rory]

I do want to add something.

[Drake]

You said Kendrick is up one.

[Rory]

I think he's up one. But I wanted to add something that Mal just kind of alluded to when we were talking about don't act like an activist is make believe. I really think ultimately outside of this battle Kendrick's the loser here because we're. He's exposing himself to a level that he usually doesn't. He doesn't he. When he speaks about himself he wants the grace. He always looks at himself with like this divinity of like I'm this Christ like figure and I can atone for my sins. But when it comes to you last.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Album was I am not your savior. I'm a piece of.

[Rory]

He's been. But he's been tripling down on that concept for how many times. But at the same time attacking Drake for like the same thing.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Yeah. I mean that's a rap battle.

[Rory]

So I think like I Just think.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Like the more of a piece of shit.

[Rory]

No, I know. I'm saying I think like the hypocrisy.

[Drake]

That's why I'm saying all of this shit aside, cool, we can sit here and debate bars and who said what and who did what. I'm just talking about the music that we have been given. The songs that we have been given. You're telling me that you feel like Kendrick has rapped better and put out better songs than Drake?

[Kendrick Lamar]

Better songs in totality, Yes. I could think that Family Matters is the best one. But through this whole week, Kendrick has put out better music and more effective music. More. If Drake had an anthem through the weekend calling Kendrick Lamar a pedophile and everyone was two stepping to it, you would say it was the greatest thing on earth. Look what Drake did. He made everyone dance to you being a pedophile any you can't even walk outside because anytime we're at a party, someone's going to play a song that's about you being a pedophile and we're going to sing along to it. You would, you would say if Drake did that to Kendrick, that would be the greatest dis ever. You would say that.

[Mall]

Kendrick is also just more entertaining. Like Euphoria is like very entertaining. I like I'm laughing when I'm listening to Euphoria. That when, when I see you standing with Sexy Red, I believe you see two bad line.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Hilarious.

[Mall]

It's hilar like it's hilarious. It's showing like personality. Yes, we know Kendrick. Correct. We know Drake can rap. Like it's up for debate who you think can rap better but like who's in this whole battle, in this show? Who's entertaining me? Kendrick is entertaining the fuck out of me. Having people crip walk to a dance fucking, I mean to a diss record is entertaining. So there's different levels. There's strategy, there's entertainment factor, there's bars, there's how the music actually hits. Yes, of course, Drake's music will always, his music will always hit better because he is a pop star. He's an all around music artist. Artist. The way that he does it will always be more palatable.

[Drake]

And now he's a pop star.

[Mall]

Drake, Drake has always been a pop star.

[Drake]

It's not what you told me last month.

[Mall]

No, I told you Chris Brown wasn't a pop star.

[Drake]

Drake is not a pop star.

[Mall]

I never said that. I'll pay somebody to find that on a recording. I never said that.

[Drake]

Drake is not a pop star. And I said, what is he.

[Rory]

Find it. Find the table.

[Mall]

I've been saying Drake is a pop star for the longest.

[Drake]

No, you have not.

[Mall]

Okay, well maybe you heard.

[Drake]

I was like, yo, Drake a pop star? He's like, yes, he's a pop star.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Drake is 1000% a pop star.

[Mall]

I never said that wasn't a pop star.

[Drake]

Trust me, I'm 1 million percent sure. You said Drake is not a pop star. And I was like, what?

[Mall]

Okay, how.

[Drake]

How is he not a pop.

[Mall]

No, I. Okay, all right.

[Drake]

You said Drake is not a pop star. Okay, I'm just saying what you said.

[Mall]

Maybe you misheard. No, I'm telling you what I said. Maybe you misheard me. But we can move on.

[Drake]

Somebody gonna find the clip and they'll post it.

[Mall]

We can move on.

[Drake]

But you definitely said that.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Do you think Kendrick showed so much more range? Cuz you want to talk about rapping and the music. Do you think Kendrick show actual range in this battle versus Drake Range as far as what? Family Matters, which is great, is just like push ups. Matter of fact, it's coming off push ups. It's almost the same record just on steroids. Hard part six, cool, great beat, great rapping. But you're waving the white flag and you can hear the frustration in the voice. It made you change your entire opinion from going drop, drop drop to hey, you're doing too much drop dropping. So that's an L. If you go through all these records from like that to euphoriate to 616 LA to meet the Grams to not like Us. None of those records sound the same at all. It's the widest range I've ever seen in the amount of time in any dis battle ever. 616 soulful not like us is a hit. Family Matters is rapping therapy. I mean, Meet the Grass Euphoria is in the car. In the car. But that's not jamming record.

[Drake]

Yeah, but that's not. I mean this, these are two of the best that we have.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I know, but I'm going to.

[Drake]

Your range doesn't survive.

[Kendrick Lamar]

You asked me when it comes to the rapping and the music all like the timeline or what's true and what's not true, who's rapping and who is putting out the better records? Kendrick Lamar checked every box sonically that you could think of and checked every box content wise, flow wise, what type of song we're getting. Car records, club records in the crib like he went nuts in one week.

[Drake]

Drake didn't do that.

[Kendrick Lamar]

We got Family Matters, which to me again is just part two of Push Ups. Same shit. And then the heart part six of him just explaining himself.

[Drake]

Okay.

[Kendrick Lamar]

About not being a pedophile.

[Drake]

Rams and 616 in LA is kind of similar to me how it's the same Type of music.

[Kendrick Lamar]

616 in LA is. Is a soulful joint. You could walk around the city to that song. You ride in the car to that song. Meet the Grams is like some Mr. Morale therapy that you like, listen to alone, which is an important part of record. Bro.

[Drake]

It's the same type of record. If you're gonna say. If you gonna say Push Ups and Family Matters is the same record. Meet the grams at 616 in LA and LA is the same record record.

[Mall]

I won't argue with him about that. I get what he said.

[Rory]

I. I tweeted this before Meet the Meet the Grams came out. I always thought 616 in LA was just the. I could have did was the penultimate before the ultimate hit, which was Meet the Grams. I think that was just the setup.

[Kendrick Lamar]

It was a bait.

[Rory]

It was Drake to dream. And not only to the. To the strategy itself, but also to the artwork itself. It's just a zoomed in version of what ultimately is the bigger picture.

[Kendrick Lamar]

It's a better version of, of. Of the TaylorMade Freestyle. Like here's something in between to just try to bait you.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Kendrick Lamar]

But still a fire beat and a great setup if you want to go with rapping from Euphoria back to back. I like that record. I'll get back to that later. Then sampled back to back the next day. Like to me, that's great rapping.

[Rory]

Yeah. I was tired.

[Mall]

Do you think Taylor May can sit with any of Kendrick's songs?

[Kendrick Lamar]

I think that'd be unfair to Drake because like I said, I think that was more of a funny troll. That was like memes to me.

[Rory]

I don't count that one.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Yeah, I think that's unfair to put it next to anything. Same with the Buried Live parody. Like that was just a funny IG thing to promote the record. I don't really count those. So you really think it's not one sided right now?

[Mall]

Right now he said he think Jerk is smashing. Those are his exact.

[Drake]

He's out exact words. Making better songs than kids. I don't think it's. I mean, I respect Kendrick dropping the way he's dropping and I love it. Listen, as a fan, as a consumer, I love this shit.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Oh, this is the greatest show.

[Drake]

Yeah. I'm sitting here listening to it, like, cool. But you not gonna sit here and tell me those are better songs than what Drake has put out? Like, no. Do you think it's good records, but they're not better than that Family Matters record. And then that, like I said, I don't know, maybe y'all didn't listen to it enough and didn't live with it that hard. Part six, bro, that's one of the best diss records we've heard in a very long time.

[Kendrick Lamar]

When you, I think you were in the bathroom out there, I said to Demaris and Julian, this is my favorite type of Drake. This is elite level rapping Drake. But he's doing it for the wrong reason. He's accepting the L. He sounded frustrated. He's over explaining himself. Remember I told you that bar on Scorpion that I fucking hate when he's like, my daddy dresses himself. Like, why are you even a like explaining yourself on certain things. And of course your dad, how he dresses in pedophilia is different. But if Drake knows he's not a pedophile, why are we doing this? And that speaks to Kendrick, putting him in that corner where if he doesn't explain himself, it looks like it's true. If he over explains himself, he looks even more guilty.

[Drake]

So he can't win no matter what.

[Kendrick Lamar]

That's why it was a good strategy. It puts you in a box where you're in a lose lose with a reply or not reply. That's a good strategy.

[Drake]

It all comes down to people like who they like. No matter what truth lies, no matter what it is, you gonna like who you want to like.

[Kendrick Lamar]

See, you are correct. And that's what kind of sucks about battle rap now. Because if you go on the timeline, everyone made up their mind of who they thought was better in this battle before it started. I'd like to think we can be objective in this room. I listen to more Drake than I do Kendrick Lamar. But objectively right now I think Kendrick Lamar is winning.

[Rory]

And within this battle there have been moments where I thought Drake was winning. I like I said I think it's a round to round basis. Drake can go up next time he drops. Kendrick also can go up. Like, it's just, I've been on both sides. When we left the city, the before break, Drake was up.

[Mall]

Yeah, I, I straight said I didn't give a about what Kendrick had. I was like, Drake won already. Like, I don't want you to respond to everything.

[Rory]

And was like, this isn't going to do it. Drake1 and then he dropped 616 in LA and then everything else happened and we're like, oh, yeah, my opinion changed.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Because even, even after that seven Family.

[Drake]

Matters came after six. Sixteen. I love.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm saying, like, when we, Damaris and I were still in New York when Euphoria dropped and we were like, you guys were mia and we were like, let's just go on live and just talk about this. And in that, we had both agreed that this isn't going to. Drake is still up.

[Mall]

We loved Euphoria, but we were still like, drake is still up.

[Drake]

Cool.

[Mall]

But yeah, because it took. Just because it took so long, had Euphoria come smash after Push Ups, I look at it a little differently. Being that it took so long. I'm like, oh, this is what. You can't take so long to do just this. But then with the follow ups, it's like, oh, that's why you took so long. Because you had a strategy before this which did change our minds. We're not Kendrick Lamar fans. I've said on every platform possible, I hate the way Kendrick Lamar raps. I hate the sound of his voice.

[Rory]

I hate his voice.

[Mall]

I hate his voice. And I will not listen to him again simply because I hate the sound of his voice. It does not take away from the talent and the strategy that he's exuded in this battle.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Even again, I was half joking when seven minutes later when Meet the Granites came out, I was like, yo, family Matters is done. I still thought there was a little bit of hope until the next day when Not Like Us came after he did a seven minute therapy session on Drake, stepped on the record, and then just gave us the weekend fucking number one single.

[Rory]

He's like, now go Crip walk to this bitch.

[Kendrick Lamar]

That is strategy. Like, you have to be objective in seeing how great that is.

[Drake]

No, I love the strategy, but I'm just saying, again, I keep ask, posing the question. Strategy aside, all of that shit aside, I'm just talking about the music, the bars. That's what I'm talking. I'm here to talk to strategy. Cool.

[Kendrick Lamar]

So you don't, you don't like the bars and Meet the Grams. Even if you disagree and think that he's gaslighting and it's not true. And the third verse possibly could have.

[Drake]

Just been on the head.

[Kendrick Lamar]

There is like four other verses on that song.

[Drake]

Yeah, but I don't, I don't. I don't think any of those verses is better than what he did on Family Matters. And I definitely don't think any of those verses are better than what he did on the hard part six at all. @ all.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I don't know, man.

[Drake]

Like, that's just me. And I fuck with Kendrick, he rap his ass off. But I'm just talking about in this, those bars. I'm gonna go back to what and listen to what Drake was saying more than I'm gonna go back to what Kendrick was saying. He's just rapping.

[Rory]

Better to step outside of the music really quickly. I've been equally as critical of the. Not only the hip hop media landscape, but just the general fan landscape. Like on Twitter, socials, et cetera. How do you guys feel? Because I know so much of the narratives and stuff gets spun and kind of catch fire on Twitter. I'm curious of what you guys think of all the commentary or the back and forth or the lines that people pick out or the things that people seem to hone in on and the type of people that gravitate towards Kendrick versus the type of people that gravitate towards Drake. That's kind of like my biggest point of contention, I guess what I'm saying. I hate the ultra uber liberal. I'm so smart. Like I read every fucking night. I love Malcolm Gladwell. Kendrick's obviously the better person here. Like, I'm very annoyed with the Kendrick fan base.

[Mall]

Oh God.

[Rory]

It's like the. It's like that conversation we had on Patreon about like when a white person sees a black person get disrespected in front of their black friend and they feel the need to like go up in arms over something they have nothing to do. That's how I look at a lot of Kendrick fans. And it annoys the shit out of me because I do like Kendrick. And I think there's. Again, I think this whole beef is a toss up. But the fans put me off so much that it's really hard for me to root for people that like him.

[Drake]

But that's why I don't really pay attention to what social media is saying. Like when Jay and Nas was beefing, I didn't know what niggas in Atlanta felt about that.

[Rory]

But that was different.

[Kendrick Lamar]

You only knew like your immediate circle.

[Drake]

Yeah, like, I just was like, I can't go to Parsons Boulevard. That's all I was concerned about. Like it was. It's. But like this battle, everybody, seemingly from both sides and all over, have a voice and they can voice their opinion and they can say how they feel about it, but we all know there's certain reasons why they may say that, which is, okay, that's fine. Like, this is all. And at the end of the day, this is all subjective. This is music. It's all subjective. It's all how you receive the music and all of that. I'm just speaking for me and. And people that do this at a high level. I don't have many conversations with these niggas, but in the last couple days, I'm like, oh, okay. So I'm not the only one that's hearing this the way I'm hearing this. And I'm not the only one that's seeing this the way I'm seeing this. But it feels like it because like you said, a lot of Kendrick's fans have been so loud and so, like, in your face the last couple of days, where it's like, all right, whatever. However you feel.

[Rory]

It's just the elitism. It's the elitism that comes with being a Kendrick fan. It's like the same. It echoes the same way I feel about Eminem fans. Like, you just don't get it. It's like, just shut the up.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Well, you're a Cole fan, and that's how Cole fans act too.

[Mall]

I don't think Cole fans, Cole fans act like that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Drake]

And another thing, why is saying, oh, I get why. J. Cole. That's not somebody yo sleep this.

[Mall]

Alan.

[Drake]

That's not Allan bleep this. And, and, and not now. But just like when you got to clean up. Take the time. See where we at.

[Kendrick Lamar]

6402. These.

[Drake]

What's up with these ass cold fans, bro? Now I understand why Cole. Why he. Now I get it.

[Kendrick Lamar]

What do you want to have a viral tweet?

[Drake]

No, we gonna use it. He tried to bleep what I said, but.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Okay, cool. We'll clean this up. Yeah, of course. Cole fans, they were getting murdered for a whole week. Now they can take a new angle. The irony of this entire thing is the master manipulator shit that Kendrick is saying, because that's all battle rap is. Kendrick is trying to manipulate the world about how they view Drake, and Drake is trying to do the same thing. Thing with Kendrick. And to your point, I'm glad you brought up with the Jay and Nas. Like we didn't know what everyone thought. That's where I give credit to both of these gentlemen. The master manipulation they do on top of the records. Whether it be with the bots on fucking Twitter, whether it be with speaking to certain bloggers whether it be to put narratives online, whether they put out fake memes of their triple entendres so they're easier to understand to the public is master manipulation and they deserve credit for for that with Jay and Nas. I mean what it was a Hot 97 poll that the DJs voted on.

[Drake]

What the times are so much simpler back.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Yeah, all you needed to you had.

[Drake]

To call into the radio.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Angie, Flex, enough.

[Drake]

This is how we do.

[Rory]

It's one gentleman from Queens is calling.

[Kendrick Lamar]

In J1 we got somebody from Brownsville.

[Drake]

Yo N. That's all it was. Now it's like, oh my God.

[Kendrick Lamar]

That's why I think it's so funny. Funny of both of them trying to say who's more of a manipulator and even to Julian's point too of Kendrick maybe being like the fake activist that it's. They're both manipulated.

[Rory]

They're both.

[Kendrick Lamar]

They're trying to manipulate the fan base to view the other person good and and me bad. Like it's all manipulation.

[Rory]

Remember when Cole bowed out and I said the reason why I think Cole bowed out and the reason why I think it's respectable that he did is when you enter a beef, you're inviting all the mess that comes with it because you're no long have your PR team and the people you love.

[Drake]

All right, so Cole, what the you hiding?

[Rory]

Everyone's hiding stuff.

[Drake]

What you scared of?

[Rory]

We're never going to find out. Cuz he stepped out.

[Drake]

What you scared of?

[Rory]

It's smart that you stop being scared.

[Drake]

It stop ring a bell.

[Rory]

The last line I said it's.

[Drake]

It's unring a bell.

[Rory]

Sometimes you want to live in the lie. Cole chose to live in the lie. He said, deuces, I'm out.

[Kendrick Lamar]

He healed.

[Rory]

He healed.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Cuz he. And remember I said on this.

[Drake]

This pod said he healed.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I was joking because that's what the Cole fans are saying.

[Drake]

Don't tell me that again. Don't say that in my presence.

[Kendrick Lamar]

He's healed.

[Drake]

No, he's healed not.

[Kendrick Lamar]

And the Cole fans are now trying to manipulate the world because they had their day on the timeline where they were getting killed. And on defense, now they're trying to manipulate the situation from the Dreamville side. I'm not saying Dreamville. They're fans to be like, see, look. Our savior would never do this. Look at all this back and forth messy of who beats who. Even though I did say on this podcast and I'm not putting anything on Cole's jacket. No one really Brought up the other part. He said on that stage, it reminded me of when I was moving terribly ten years ago. Yeah. I'm not exposing anything. He said that on stage, I'm cool and I don't have any information. I just think that Drake talked to Cole about the Dave Free shit, and Cole said, oh, that's where y'all are about to take this. We're not just rapping as friends. I'm gonna go on stage right now.

[Mall]

Yeah. Yo, stay right here. Don't.

[Rory]

Now, look. Three weeks later. What. Every time you hit refresh and you see Cole's name mentioned, what is it? It's right after one of these guys dropping a diss, and it's Cole. Some guy waking up with a deep stretch, making coffee, going on a bike ride like J. Cole right now. All y'all favorites arguing Cole right now. And that's exactly the place he wanted to live.

[Mall]

I remember you saying. It's just. I remember you saying he dropped the disrec. I remember you saying.

[Kendrick Lamar]

That's why I said you entered the ring.

[Drake]

Because I'm. I'm gonna say this because I love Cole and I love those guys at Dreamfield. But y'all. Y'all gonna make me start saying on this show where people start. Yeah, I apologize.

[Kendrick Lamar]

We just started healing with.

[Drake]

I apologize for what I said. You know what I'm saying? And it came across wrong because I love Cole, and I don't want to be disrespectful to Cole, but I do not respect that he did. I don't give a. What. Nobody's talking.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I still stand by that.

[Drake]

He did. Was crazy in the ring and then. But J. Cole is a good. He's a good dude, and I. I love him. I support him, but I just can't defend him in the barbershops. That's all.

[Mall]

I get that. But just off of. To get off of that. But just piggybacking off of what you originally said when you said, hey, this is just. It's just rap. Nobody's gonna fight. Nobody's gonna do this. It's just rap. I don't understand. When he's scared of. Hold on. There are worse things than getting shot or getting your ass beat. There are worse things than getting shot and getting your ass beat. Shit. Like your kid being exposed for not being your kid is worse than getting shot or getting your ass beat. So if they're.

[Drake]

No, it ain't. I know a few that been shot. They'll tell you, no, it ain't.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I do want to say that that.

[Drake]

Burn like a. I do.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I will say this. If that is true, that that is is not his son, and that's Dave's son, and you did a double disc of therapy and never just happened to bring up that your man's impregnated your girl and you're raising his kid. Mr. Morale would be the worst album in the world to me.

[Mall]

Well, according to Drake, he's not raising him. He hasn't seen him in six months. According to Drake.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Okay, again, who knows if that's true? I don't know.

[Rory]

Yeah, no one knows that because again, it's like. It's like the. Where's the photos of the two of you?

[Drake]

What?

[Rory]

Shut up. Like, that means they're smart, though.

[Mall]

But then. Oh, you're not following your fiance. Hold on.

[Rory]

It means nothing.

[Mall]

A healthy relationship will tell you. Y'all don't follow each other.

[Rory]

A lot of your favorite rappers don't follow their girls.

[Drake]

But you follow. But you follow my man who might be your. Your bab. Your baby father, but see, she's still.

[Mall]

In his life, according to the gossip. That might be a baby father according to their actual life. If that's not true, that's just your manager, I think. I'm pretty sure Kia follows you. And don't follow.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Rory just recently started.

[Drake]

I don't. I don't even know. Well, I didn't even know Kia had a Instagram.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Thank God. Yeah, I didn't, cuz I. I'd look from like four years ago, see money bags on it, like, stop, stop. No, I'm saying I haven't seen that.

[Drake]

Oh, yeah, I'm about to say, no, I haven't.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Yo, but I may be nitpicking here. Do we think Kendrick even has the password to his Instagram? Why does she need to follow Kendrick Lamar?

[Rory]

It means nothing. That means nothing. A social media follow carries no weight.

[Drake]

That carries no weight.

[Rory]

Doesn't.

[Mall]

When you're that big.

[Drake]

Soon as somebody will follow somebody, you ready to talk about.

[Kendrick Lamar]

About it does Drake.

[Drake]

Now it doesn't carry. Now it doesn't carry no weight, but as soon as two artists, somebody unfollows somebody, like, oh, they unfollowed them.

[Kendrick Lamar]

You, you, you.

[Drake]

That. That you actively want to talk about.

[Mall]

She was probably never following that man.

[Rory]

That's my point.

[Mall]

That's not his. He not on there posting his breakfast and his avocado toast or him at the strip club they're posting. It's like, follow. He might. She might as well follow the label. It's them posting.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's. It's marketing assets from a label.

[Drake]

Yeah, but you know, aesthetically, you know how it looks. Because like I said, when somebody unfollows somebody blogs, is right on it.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Do we know that she ever followed him?

[Rory]

I don't think she ever follows.

[Mall]

There's a difference between never following somebody and unfollowing.

[Drake]

She didn't act like, oh, it's not a big deal that she's not following. No, it is. It is. Because you niggas have sat here and making big deals when people have followed people before.

[Rory]

Why is that? Not focus. I'm not even trying to, like, refute what you're saying. Why are we focusing on that? They literally split up. Homie lives in Dumbo and they just sold their home. That's the important information. Who gives a fuck about a social media following? Follow.

[Drake]

No. What? No, it's more. More to it than that. That might be. That might be his man's kid bro.

[Rory]

No, but I know. But I'm saying in terms of Kendrick and Whitney's relationship, we're talking about a follow on Instagram. I'm talking about they literally split up and he now lives in New York.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I mean, the only thing in there is beating your wife, which I do think Kendrick does need to.

[Drake]

They were never married, so that means he could still. Yo.

[Rory]

No, no. I'm just saying we keep calling her a wife. They were never married. I'm not excusing him hitting.

[Drake]

I don't like to say baby, mother, or fiance or partner. Child partner.

[Kendrick Lamar]

That's why I saw, like, Drake fans that was, I think, acting the same way annoying Kendrick fans were. They were, like, trying to prove that they split up. And it's like, okay, we've never seen a rapper and his girl breakup.

[Drake]

Yeah, Like, I don't care about them. And he.

[Kendrick Lamar]

And he said in Mr. Morale at the end, by the time you hear this, Whitney's gone. She did all she could. That's a bar in the album. That's why I think it's so funny. When Kendrick did say earlier, I think it was in euphoria. Oh, you're going to get a bunch of. You heard from Mr. Morale. Like, I've admitted a lot of the stuff you're about to say, and now Drake fans, for the first time ever, are going back to that album and spreading false. Like, he didn't say on that album that they were divorced or broken up. That's not crazy that he moved to New York.

[Drake]

No, I don't care about that that's. I'm gonna fuck with Kendrick, But I'm.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Saying that's not really a stat in this battle. I don't think that landed the way Drake thought it would. Now, speaking of Cole, I do have a question for you. It's not a comparable thing, but it seems like. I want to talk about perception wise, that Drake was waving the white flag at the end of Heart Part six.

[Drake]

I don't think that's what he was doing. I just think it's the.

[Kendrick Lamar]

It feels coal.

[Mall]

Ish.

[Kendrick Lamar]

As far as, yo, I've been begging for you to drop, and then you drop, and then I say it's burnt out.

[Drake]

Like, you don't do that. Don't do that.

[Kendrick Lamar]

You did what I asked you to do, and now I don't want to do it.

[Drake]

Do not all of a sudden start trying to bring Cole and what he did in this and make it seem like it's valid.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I said they're not very comparable because.

[Drake]

It'S not comparable at all.

[Mall]

It's not comparable at all.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Okay, let me finish.

[Rory]

You think about it.

[Drake]

Let me finish.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Can Drake still talk the same greasy. If he really does bow out of this? And the last one is Hard Part six. And at the end, he says, yo, I'm burnt out. Like, it's whatever, man. Like, it's cool.

[Drake]

It's not.

[Kendrick Lamar]

No, see, I could dance to that.

[Drake]

Why are you doing that?

[Kendrick Lamar]

Because quoting him.

[Drake]

But. But Damaris said the same thing in our group text. She said, yo, I'm over there. I think a lot of people felt like this, like, all right, y'all just dropping record after record. All right, fam, I can't keep.

[Kendrick Lamar]

But. But Damaris is not Drake, who for an entire week was begging Kendrick to let the clip go. Yo, I know you got 10 records. Start dropping them. Let's go, let's go. And then he does, and three days later, you're like, yo, it's this burnt out, bro.

[Drake]

But. But people, the fans are starting to.

[Rory]

Cuz that's controlling the narrative.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Because now when Kendrick calling the chick and when she doesn't give you her number, you say, you. I don't want you anyways. That's exactly what it sounds like on the beach.

[Drake]

But you. But you. But you. Now you sound like you trying to blame or you trying to fault Drake for feeling the way the fans are feeling. Because plenty of people in our group text have said the same shit. We ain't gonna say no names, yo. All right, I'm done with this shit. I'm over with this shit. I'm done with this.

[Rory]

Like, I'm not. This is great.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Yeah.

[Drake]

Again, people are starting to feel like. Because now it's. To this point, how much longer does this go back and forth? Cause I think that's what Drake is alluding to, like, fam. All right, you wanna drop two records after I drop one. And then I drop one, you drop another one, it's like, all right, cool. Like, where are we going with this? Like, how. How much longer do we have to do this? Because at this rate, this shit is going to become corny very fast.

[Kendrick Lamar]

You can't get mad because your opponent that you were calling out to fight wants to keep fighting.

[Drake]

No, I'm not saying. I'm not saying get mad. I'm just saying at the rate that this is going, you put out four records to my. I guess two.

[Kendrick Lamar]

It was an exhausting week.

[Drake]

It's like, all right, bro. Like, all right. So. Because now it's like, so what? I gotta. I gotta drop three more to account for the four that you dropped. Like, for niggas to try to, like, who won this round and this record. The. Versus this record against this record and that. I just think, bro, like, what we doing?

[Kendrick Lamar]

We're getting into union penalties amongst the recording engineers and producers. I just think they need to go see their families because it's been. It's been 10 days. I. I think this is going to continue. Even though it sounded like Drake was waving the white flag, I don't think he. He did that. I think after pushing and shouting him for another three.

[Drake]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I don't think it's over. I just think it's just. It just. It didn't. It's not playing out as far as, like, the songs. Like, all right, so this thing. I gotta you, cuz. One of those songs could have. 1. Two of those songs could have been one song. You could have took those last two verses and added it to that song you just dropped. But it. It looks better if it's a whole new drop strategy. Yeah, I. I get it. But it's like, all right, so how much. How much longer is this supposed to. Because that's what I think. Drake was ultimate. Not waving a white flag like, yo, you stepping on me. Yo, you got it. No, he's saying, like, fam, so what I gotta do, I gotta put out three more joints, four more records, and then you gonna drop three more? Then how much longer is this shit supposed to go on?

[Kendrick Lamar]

I mean, it's only been a week.

[Drake]

And we've gotten more records out of this week in this rap beef than probably any rap beef ever.

[Kendrick Lamar]

By the way. I'm not one of the people that is tired of this.

[Drake]

I'm not tired of it. But I just know that if we have another. We can't have another week like this.

[Rory]

Five songs in 48 hours. Six. If you want to include the parody record.

[Drake]

We can't do that.

[Kendrick Lamar]

But that's. But that's also because both of them were doing the same thing they did on First Person Shooter, which is now public information that we had known about that he wanted Kendrick on there. And they were playing the fucking double Dutch game of who was going to send who's verse. And then it just ended up not working. They've all been sitting on these, these records, I think outside of Heart Part six and changing certain bars on Not Like Us or Meet the Grams to make it feel relevant. They've been sitting on this waiting to let the clips go back to back to back. I don't think this was them running back to the studio except to change a few bars around. And the Hard Part six, I think might be the only original record from this week. I think they've. They've had.

[Drake]

They've had these joints that was like.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Recent that I think is the only one. So even though it looks exhausting.

[Drake]

It would have to be.

[Kendrick Lamar]

It looks exhausting. But they're just hitting upload. I think it's gonna.

[Drake]

It's not just upload because the Hard Part six, like you said, it's addressing that he said and Meet the Gram. So he would. That would happen.

[Kendrick Lamar]

That's the only one.

[Rory]

That's the only one that was.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I'm saying, I'm saying Kendrick was dancing all week because all he had to do was hit upload at the right time.

[Rory]

Because remember, if you guys remember on the timeline from, I guess the people that were speaking to Kendrick at the time, as soon as Kendrick put out out, what was his first one, the Euphoria, they said, oh, that's not all of it. He recorded a 19 minute record. This is just part of it. So then like we say, just chopped.

[Drake]

It into sections that best cutting that dope up. I know that is. Oh, I think I'm mad at that. Like.

[Rory]

But Drake still did the same thing.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I think Family Matters, like I said, I think it's part two of Push Ups because it is. It's the same beat. I think he just went in there and changed a few bars and Then did some of that third verse, But I think those have been. And the Rocky one, I think he did in real time.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Kendrick Lamar]

So I think we're gonna get a little bit of a break because I think everybody needs to go back reload. And this is my only, like, my real fault. To Drake and strategy. He has been talking about Kendrick having 10 records for a month that you've been working on this for four years. Let the clip go, and then he acts surprised when the clip is let go. And also, if you're this master strategist, if you Knew he had 10 records, why didn't you?

[Drake]

I'm not recording no 10 records. To go at your 10 records. I'mma say what I got to say. I'm going drop mods. I don't care how many more you drop. Like, I'm smashing you and I'm out. I'm going on vacation. My. I'm not f to sit here and do this with you for 19. The hard part. 27. 7. Like, get the out.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I really thought that Kendrick was about to drop the Heart part six. Like, the real heart part six. A few minutes after and it not even be a diss record.

[Drake]

So Kendrick.

[Kendrick Lamar]

It would just be the hard part six.

[Drake]

He can never drop that.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Yes, he can.

[Rory]

Yes, he can.

[Mall]

Yes, he can.

[Drake]

Really? Okay.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Matter of fact, the heart part six. Yeah, Matter of fact, I think it's gonna make. I think it's gonna make Drake's version look even crazier.

[Rory]

Yeah, I think Drake stuck his chin out with that one.

[Drake]

Stuck? No, the only person that stuck their chin out is Jermaine Y.

[Rory]

He's doing all right.

[Kendrick Lamar]

No, he tucks his chin back in.

[Drake]

Oh, well, now he stuck it out on that. So.

[Rory]

Okay, so, Kent. So just hypothetically speaking, cuz who knows by the time this comes out. Jesus Christ. Say Kendrick replies. Drake has to reply.

[Mall]

No, he doesn't.

[Drake]

Drake don't got to do.

[Rory]

But he's going to reply.

[Drake]

But I think the competitive nature in him. He will reply, lie.

[Rory]

Because I don't. I think there's also.

[Drake]

But Even. But. But this is what I'm saying. How much longer does that go on?

[Kendrick Lamar]

I'm good.

[Mall]

I wanted to end.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I actually think the best thing for Drake would be for Kendrick to continue, because if Kendrick does not address anything that Drake has said and still continues to rap, he could start to look a little crazy. Like, all right, what's up? This is fun. I like. I like dancing to the pedophile and pedophiles. It's great. But you keep rapping and you still have not really told us about what the fuck is going on with the Dave shit. And if you beat your wife, then this is a whole different conversation.

[Drake]

So what have we learned about these two gentlemen throughout this beef?

[Rory]

They're both pieces of shit.

[Drake]

So we learned that Drake got a nose job.

[Rory]

Oh, I mean, I don't. Who cares?

[Mall]

Everybody knew Drake had a nose job. Everybody knew Drake was got AB surgery.

[Drake]

How do you say. What do you mean? Everybody knew Drake got a nose job. You think Drake got a nose job job?

[Kendrick Lamar]

I. I don't know. I've never looked at his nose like that.

[Drake]

Wait, she just said everybody is like everybody.

[Mall]

Okay, when I say everybody knew. You know what? That was wrong on my part. People had already been saying that Drake got a nose job. People had been saying that Drake was on Olympic. People had been saying that Drake got his abs done.

[Drake]

Can he be prescribed oic? I thought you have to be like, seriously, like, either diabetic or obese to get oic.

[Kendrick Lamar]

No, the new thing. The new thing now is it's for. It's illegally being used for weight loss.

[Mall]

Weight loss.

[Kendrick Lamar]

And I mean, listen, everyone out here fat like what? Everyone out here is playing diabetics. And my mother would like a word is crazy. Yeah, I know you guys are diabetic culture vulture.

[Drake]

I just think it's funny that y'all think a. That was not fat and not diabetic was on oic.

[Kendrick Lamar]

What did. What did raise my eyebrows to Kendrick possibly being a bit of a liar. I don't know a lot about plastic surgery. I think it's safe to say Drake probably did get his stomach done. But if you get plastic surgery, why would you also need that weight loss drug? You got lipo. The do you need.

[Mall]

You never seen a that got lipo and then she got fat again. Lipo doesn't guarantee that you stay fat.

[Drake]

Yeah, but Drake was never fat.

[Mall]

I mean, stay skinny.

[Kendrick Lamar]

And also somebody that does in a year. Like, I'm gonna go ahead and say Drake is in shape.

[Drake]

Hey, listen. Hey, look, I don't give a. I.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Don'T think he needs weight loss bills.

[Drake]

I don't give a care what these.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Do in a circle every night.

[Drake]

I am never talking about these again, bro. I'm done.

[Mall]

So you don't think that Drake got a stomach done?

[Rory]

No, no, man, come on.

[Kendrick Lamar]

No, you know what? You know what? Also, I think he did. And I also don't care.

[Drake]

I don't. Drake is not a fat, sloppy, out of shape.

[Mall]

It's not about being fat and sloppy. They saying he got abs sketching.

[Kendrick Lamar]

He did. He did pop up surgery.

[Drake]

Rocks. Rocks is with him every day of his life. It's trainer every day. These is in the gym.

[Rory]

And every day.

[Drake]

Every day, get in the gym after the surgery. This all right, man. Whatever, dog. Cause now they gonna say I'm. I just don't. You gotta make. Make sense. If I have a trainer with me every day, that's my homeboy working out the whole crew. What the. Why would I go get a tummy tuck?

[Mall]

They said ab action.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Speaking of his friends that are around.

[Drake]

Him all the time, whatever it is.

[Kendrick Lamar]

You being a close insider, do you think?

[Drake]

I'm not an insider. I just know niggas that know niggas.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Do you think it's cap that Ironically, every single person he's beef with has had a very consistent story of people in his crew being disloyal, wanting to see his downfall, gossiping about him.

[Drake]

That's. Yeah, but that's what niggas say when there's nothing to say. Yo, you got all these snakes and serpents around you. I read the Bible too, my nigga. Yeah, I know it's snakes and serpents. I got snakes and serpents in my family. There's nothing I could do about that.

[Kendrick Lamar]

But people that are close to that crew and then when information is coming out, which turned out to be false, which could be a great strategy, if that is correct. But everyone has the same story with that. With that crew.

[Drake]

That is snakes and serpents in a circle.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Yes. But to Drake's credit, he's had the same friends forever. He doesn't have a huge circle.

[Drake]

So that would say that that's a what?

[Rory]

Nah, not necessarily.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Talk about. Yeah, I don't know.

[Rory]

Yeah, 40 was the person that what got push of the information.

[Drake]

Okay, so said that was him. That was 40. 40 got his ass licked. Yeah.

[Rory]

The point is, like, they're giving up just.

[Drake]

And just said something on the pillow that he shouldn't have said. That's not no rat snake. That's not what that is.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Shout out to Push. Love Push. But Push did sort of lie to us when we sat down with him. Yeah, it came from 40. 40 didn't go and tell you.

[Drake]

40 didn't run to Pusha and say that. He said it to a girl that he was fucking that Pusha was fucking with. And the girl just regurgitated.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Wasn't somebody in.

[Drake]

Well, whoever she was in, somebody pushed in another circle and she just regurgitated. What 40 said.

[Mall]

Yeah, but why you gotta put 40 in his ass? Lick 40 like you.

[Drake]

Cause you know, you start pillow talking when you got a stone cold freak in the bed, you feel like you could be vulnerable. Cause ain't nothing more vulnerable to getting your ass licked. So now it's fucking years. Shorty told me, hey, why you down there? While you down there, you know the boy got a boy. I meant to tell you why you was down there. You know, the boy got a boy that. You know what I'm saying? He don't know if it's boy yet, but, you know, he trying to figure it out.

[Kendrick Lamar]

He was inside.

[Drake]

That's what happened.

[Kendrick Lamar]

He was inside that thing. Like, you know, maybe I should just get this girl pregnant. So, yeah, Adonis and my son could grow up.

[Drake]

Yeah, it is when you lay down with them stone cold freaks.

[Kendrick Lamar]

That girl explained that story to me. And she left out the detail of eating any ass.

[Drake]

Oh, she licked ass.

[Mall]

How?

[Kendrick Lamar]

You know, I think they were just on FaceTime. I don't think they were currently when that happened.

[Drake]

Well, they, they before.

[Rory]

Yeah, they were talking, giving that information up on FaceTime.

[Drake]

Cool.

[Rory]

Chicken. Worse.

[Drake]

You said what?

[Rory]

Giving that information up on FaceTime is worse. In the bed. It seems more appropriate.

[Drake]

Not when you know you're gonna see in a couple days and you about to get another round of that. You know what I mean? Oh, I guess that spa session. You know that spa session where they change your diaper but push is you.

[Mall]

Got to wash out of all the oils.

[Drake]

Well, I know some of them out there too.

[Kendrick Lamar]

When she told me that story. Story, like years later, I was like, damn, push is actually pretty diabolical because he really positioned that, telling us like 40 was really a mole and really says.

[Rory]

He didn't say that. He said it was a girl. 40. He didn't say 40. 10 came to me. He didn't say that.

[Kendrick Lamar]

He said it in a way that.

[Rory]

Said it came from 40. And then he explained what he meant by that.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Yeah, but he did it in a way that.

[Rory]

I recently watched that clip because all this shit's been circulating again. And he said it. He. Yeah, the. The. The. He led with it came from 40, but then said a girl he was pillow talking with. You said that.

[Kendrick Lamar]

He positioned it back to manipulating the audience to make it seem like 40 was with the ops.

[Drake]

Well, however, he said it alluding to the fact that there's snakes and he was serpents in Drake's circle. There's snakes and serpents in everybody's circle. You don't know it until you, you know, cut the grass and you see it like, okay, cool. Can't fuck with him no more. That's all of us. You think it ain't snakes and circles around fucking Kendrick?

[Rory]

No, I mean, I. Of course, I don't think that's the information.

[Drake]

It might be more than that around Kendrick, but like I said, I don't know shit.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Or is it just the Brady Bunch?

[Drake]

Listen, man, it is. I'm just.

[Kendrick Lamar]

That looks like a healthy family.

[Drake]

I'm just glad we got some pretty good music, some pretty good bars from two of the best that we've ever had. It's been fun to kind of experience this moment and, you know, do you.

[Mall]

Think it's bigger than Hoe versus Nas?

[Rory]

Yes.

[Drake]

Bigger than.

[Mall]

Yes.

[Rory]

Yes. And I know I wasn't.

[Drake]

I don't know about bigger than because Hov and Nas was real beef.

[Mall]

I mean, bigger, culturally.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Yes.

[Drake]

I don't know. It's tough. It's tough to say right now. It's tough to say it was bigger culturally.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I don't think in 01, Jay Z was a pop star yet. We have one of the biggest artists because Summer.

[Drake]

Summer Jam, you know, the Summer Jam stage and all of that, these are iconic moments. The Takeover record Ether. I don't know if any of these records are as big as Takeover either.

[Rory]

Nah, the scale of this is much bigger.

[Mall]

I don't think the records will be as big. But I think this.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Who knows if this is all going to last? Like, that's.

[Drake]

It's too. It's too. It's too soon.

[Rory]

I see what you're saying.

[Drake]

Okay, ask me that.

[Kendrick Lamar]

The way Ether became like an adjective, like, yo, he got ethered. I don't know if any. It's too early to tell. Any of this is going to.

[Drake]

I don't know if anybody. Two years from. He got 616. I don't know if nobody's going to say that. I don't know. Body's going to. Yo, he got Family mattered. I don't know if he got pedo say that he got heart part 17th. I don't. I don't know.

[Kendrick Lamar]

But that hasn't really happened with. With Disrespect Records and maybe only back to back.

[Drake]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kendrick Lamar]

And. And story of Adon, I think, is up there.

[Mall]

I think that this is. I think that had Drake not actually had that secret kid, like, if that didn't exist. I think this is way bigger than him. Him and pushes this.

[Drake]

This is. Even if that ain't Fuck that. This is bigger than that. This is way. Kendrick is a way bigger artist.

[Rory]

Yeah, this is bigger.

[Drake]

This is way bigger than that pusher shit.

[Kendrick Lamar]

There is no story of Adalon in here, but overall, yeah, this is one of the biggest artists ever. And then one of the. Probably the biggest rapper of this generation beefing. That's crazy.

[Drake]

This is two of the.

[Kendrick Lamar]

This doesn't happen ever.

[Drake]

Yeah, this is. And especially because it's not. It wasn't rooted in some street shit. It's not spilling into. I mean, we may be approaching that soon. I don't know, certain records, certain things coming out. Like, it may be. We may be approaching. If Drake and Kendrick see each other somewhere, I don't know where they would see each other. But it may, you know, it may be security. Might just have to kind of like clear the room out.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Like, I don't think the only one that needs to prove something. And please don't prove it to me because I already don't think you like me. Chubbs has been catching a lot of fucking strays in this battle. Chubbs, who I think can fight. Yeah, but from what I've heard, needs to just knock someone out on camera just to clear. Just to clear his name in some of these.

[Drake]

Yeah, but that's. But that's. That's just the. To me, because this is all just a rollover of. Of. I think people just don't think Drake is a tough guy. And not that he ever acted like a tough guy, tried to present himself as a tough guy. I think he presents himself as a man. Like, nigga, if I have to defend myself, I will. If I have to fight one of you niggas, I will. But he's not. He does. He's not trying to impose his, you know, I'm tougher than you niggas. I'm gangster. He's not trying to impose that on nobody.

[Kendrick Lamar]

He has. In the second half of his career, which Kendrick did address, I. I don't like them. The melody Drake. I don't like this. This new tough guy Drake.

[Drake]

But that came after the battle.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I'm saying it came from. If you're reading this, it's too late to. Now Drake has portrayed himself in the music as a tough guy. He started talking about guns all of a sudden. Like, he. He raps from a different perspective in the second half of his career, which.

[Mall]

Is what they said 21 Savage gave you street cred, that kind of thing.

[Kendrick Lamar]

And listen, that's not tough wrong with that. Like. Like, the harder Records on. If you're reading this too late at first, kind of like pushed back. I was like, why is Drake talking like this? It aged great. He sounds great doing the tough guy shit sometimes, but that's a new part of his career.

[Drake]

Yeah, but I don't think.

[Kendrick Lamar]

And he even said, what's that bar? It might have been a leaked verse of him saying, I became a tough guy after I got rich.

[Drake]

He has a bar that's wasn't really gangster till now.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Till. Yeah. So, I mean, it does land on the perception wise of this. This culture vulture. You're just putting on a different mask of a different person every day on.

[Rory]

Away From Home, which is a great record to keep it real. I wasn't really gangster till now. Gangster, he says.

[Drake]

I was living on a cloud. I was quiet as a mouse. Yeah. I mean, listen, man, at some point or another, you get tired of playing with you and thinking you soft. You rather not because you want to just make music and have fun and, you know, sometimes you got to show a like, oh, it can go there if you need to. I don't want it to, but I.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Just think it's a good range of music. Like, he did take a good shift. I do think a lot of that soft shit would have faded out quicker if he didn't change his sound. On if youf Reading Is Too Late, he still went back to the melodic, can't speak melodic, soft shit, but it opened a new lane for him. So when he wants to get on a record with Ross or 21 Savage, he can keep up and it not sound insane, which is good. But Kendrick's not wrong of this cosplay tough guy.

[Rory]

You know what this feels like an undercard for. In a precursor for something that's ultimately far more important. The election in November. So I. And I'm bringing this up because of the amount of the bot narratives and as someone that was a digital marketer for one of the top labels in the game, I, like everybody at a label, spend tens of thousands of dollars a week on spinning narratives, promoting meme pages, pumping all these things onto certain pages and kind of controlling the narrative. I think this was a really like, well, healthy and not in a healthy way toxic example of what this election cycle is going to look like. Because the bots on this are. Have been nonstop and I'm seeing it from both sides.

[Kendrick Lamar]

What do you think? What you think. You think the music industry learned it from. Oh, well, I think the music Hillary Trump election.

[Drake]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Because those kind of blossomed matter of.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Fact I go even further back to Obama and Facebook. Yeah, but I said that's a thing.

[Rory]

I bring it up because I believe hundreds of thousands of dollars have been spent from Kendrick and Drake's side on Instagram ads, YouTube ads. Not like traditional ads, like show my content more. I mean meme pages controlling the narrative. Take this line, put it with this image to circle this photo in the back of this music screenshot to show that this is actually the truth of the matter. I think all that's extremely intense breakdowns.

[Drake]

Have been amazing that people.

[Rory]

But I don't think that they're, they're authentic.

[Drake]

Whether it's authentic or not, I'm just talking about when people, the people that I have been seeing trying to break down and piece together this whole thing and piece together bars. All the think pieces have been more entertaining than our I could have ever expected.

[Kendrick Lamar]

And I see a lot of people which I feel them of like they're more streamers than they are rap fans. So it's not really hitting the same like this. They're not doing real deep dive stuff because they've never been real rap fans. I kind of view it the other way of like all right, this is cool that everyone's now forced to pay attention to real rap. Like now it's trendy to try to break down double entendres because that has not happened in quite some time. It used to be get that lyrical shit outta here for the last fucking decade. Now rapping is trendy.

[Drake]

Oh no. I, I, I think that in a.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Time when it's not.

[Drake]

Yeah, I think that the, a lot of the important things and the shit that I'm looking forward to is what does the music landscape sound and look like after this? Because obviously everything things change.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I mean I told you guys we.

[Drake]

Don'T get a month ago. We don't get enjoy a. Yeah, we don't get no more Ross and Drake records. That's over. We're never gonna get another Kendrick and Drake record. I think that's over.

[Kendrick Lamar]

No, that's definitely over.

[Drake]

We don't get no more. I think the door's still slightly open for more future Drake. I think that door, I don't think that that door is closed.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Cause he did say on family matters like we never even really went through it. It was just your people in your ear.

[Drake]

Yeah, I think that door is still slightly open. I do think that Drake is gonna of who he. Well y'all called it him leeching and culture vulturing. But I think he's going to be more careful of the artists that he embraces, the features and the verses that he gives out. So I think that a lot is going to change musically as far as just the landscape of rap and things like that as a result of this beef. Because Drake is gonna become that artist that is more isolated. He's more. I don't trust none of these guys. I don't fuck with none of these guys now. He's gonna be more of that now than he ever was. Like, he was like that some, you know, a little bit before. I think now that's at another level.

[Kendrick Lamar]

But I mean, I kind of feel like that was gonna happen regardless. Like, pull up for all the dogs for the most part. Out of 21, we know that's. That's his man's tizo. That's the only one that's not a new artist. No disrespect to Teaser. I know he has music before, but to the masses. Yeah, he's always pretty new.

[Drake]

Yeah.

[Rory]

SZA Cole, he kind of has only really with PND Chief Keith, Bad Bunny, Sexy Red, Lil, Yachty as of recently.

[Kendrick Lamar]

The younger artists, like, rarely does he do the legacy stuff anymore or the artist that he was working with before. At least, like, in the last two years, I think he was already on his way. He had his biggest record. You think he's thinking about a Ross feature right now?

[Drake]

Yeah, no, but I'm just saying, like, as a result of this, I think that becomes more though.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Yeah.

[Drake]

I think that a lot of the classic collabs and music and sound that we loved and we listened to a lot. I think a lot of those doors and a lot of those chapters are over with as a result of this beef.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Who do you think think they sent over to Kendrick with that info? Because I was trying to rack my brain all week of who could have been mutual.

[Drake]

Oh, you know, simple. You've been racking your brain about who specifically?

[Kendrick Lamar]

Yeah.

[Drake]

Oh, I mean, I don't know about who specifically. I know it was a woman. Oh, 1,000. You know, there is nothing n Put all guards down when the cute bitch walk in with some information.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Oh, so why didn't Drake use that in the scheme of telling that entire situation?

[Drake]

Oh, I don't know.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Look how easily you fall for lust.

[Drake]

Yeah, but you don't wanna. You know, he might be sending another one.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Don't talk to me about you don't. Daughters exposure when you've fallen for any bad bitch that has some info.

[Drake]

I mean, it happens, man. It happens. I don't think it was a guy. I can't see Kendrick trusting a guy and letting a guy get close enough in his circle to get information off. I think it's the way that most guys get caught up. And it's a pretty face in the.

[Rory]

Fat ass again, just to fall victim to the time.

[Drake]

Because he is a sex addict, right? He's an admitted sex addict, I guess.

[Rory]

I mean, we all are.

[Kendrick Lamar]

He didn't flat out say that Mr. Morale, but yeah, he did.

[Mall]

Don't you.

[Kendrick Lamar]

That was advice. He dealt with shit by just fucking strange.

[Drake]

You attack a nigga with his vice. It seems like the face fat ass.

[Rory]

It seems like the west seems like.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Seems like you didn't heal there, sir.

[Rory]

It seems like the west coast has been far more active in terms of championing.

[Drake]

Oh, my God. And let's see. Call me a cape. Ride, dick ride. All this every from the way. If Kendrick wasn't from la, I wouldn't hear from none of you.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Kendrick Lamar]

We just stand, ah, man. Behind our coast.

[Drake]

No, no, y'all don't. No, y'all don't. No. Yeah. No, they don't. No, they don't. That's a deep. A lot of I know from LA did not support Kendrick. Kendrick ain't at these day parties. He ain't hanging out with you niggas. Y'all niggas did not fuck with Kendrick. Now that it's a battle going on, y'all want to make it a West coast versus the world thing, and that's not what it is. Stop, stop.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I did hate that bar, even though it hit when Kendrick was like, I see y'all don't fuck with the West Coast. Like, since when have we not fuck with the West Coast?

[Drake]

But that's again, manipulation we talking about. I know, but it hit Atlanta manipulation. We fuck with the west coast, niggas love la. Nobody love California more to not do.

[Rory]

Well, I mean, I bring. I bring it up because I wanted to do on the inverse of that. Why has. And again, they don't have to say anything publicly, but just optically, it looks like a lot of the OVO side and even Canadians in general have been quiet.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Would you want Division to say something?

[Rory]

No, no. I'm just saying there hasn't been any.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Want Daniel to croon some to not.

[Rory]

Division in per se. But I'm saying why has the support and the people that are closest to Drake been so quiet about everything? It seems they always quiet.

[Drake]

You don't see nobody from Drake's camp. Heavy on social media. Saying and doing on a normal basis.

[Kendrick Lamar]

They've been.

[Drake]

I think the only that Chubbs ever tweets or post is a party he's hosting. You know, like that They've, They've always been. They're not doing nothing outside of what they've always done, bro. Like, they don't. Nobody from PG Lang is going crazy. Nobody from like, like niggas from TD is going crazy.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Super crazy.

[Drake]

Who?

[Kendrick Lamar]

PG Life. Oh, well, they went as crazy as you could possibly go.

[Drake]

Yes. That's a crew.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Doesn't get closer.

[Drake]

Yeah, that's a very, that's a very intimate crew, if you, if you want to call it that. But no, it's not.

[Kendrick Lamar]

If that's true, that's crazier to me than Michelet having kids by Dr. Dre and Suge Knight. Cause to me that was like the wildest thing ever. And the fact that Nas's baby mother went on Vlad and said she had a miscarriage with Jay Z, I was like, wait, so this woman could have possibly had a kid by Nas and Jay Z?

[Mall]

Woman alive.

[Drake]

Yeah.

[Kendrick Lamar]

What the.

[Drake]

It happens.

[Kendrick Lamar]

That's nuts.

[Drake]

Yeah.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Did you talk to Drake at all this week?

[Drake]

Yeah.

[Kendrick Lamar]

What was his temperature like?

[Drake]

He's chilling, man. He's, he's, he's, he's enjoying it. But I, he does seem like he's kind of like, at that point, like. All right, man, what we, how many, how many more we got to do?

[Rory]

Meet the Grams flustered him.

[Drake]

Okay.

[Kendrick Lamar]

No, I'm not gonna get me to.

[Drake]

Do what you want me to do. I'm not doing that.

[Rory]

I'm not ask. I, I feel like I'm my role in this episode because I, I feel like I'm speaking on behalf of everybody that's been waiting for us to record. I, I'm just saying, I just think.

[Drake]

Why do you feel like it flushed?

[Rory]

He jumped to the timeline and started doing the Instagram story thing and then was like, it just seemed scrambling.

[Drake]

Cuz he's. Well, you think that he did that because he saw that what his strategy worked and he said, okay, prove. Prove that I have 11 year old daughter. Where is she?

[Kendrick Lamar]

And I think he should have done that with music earlier than immediately going on.

[Drake]

He dropped the record a day and a half later and y'all said, oh, he's still talking about it.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Then he should.

[Drake]

So which one is it? Y'all want him to address it or y don't want him to address it?

[Rory]

No, it's two days later.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I don't know. Again, that's why I thought it was the lose lose with the pedo. It's either address it look crazy. Don't address look crazy. The kid thing. It would be a better strategy if he revealed that the next day after Meet the Grams. Like, I don't think it flustered him.

[Drake]

Okay, so it wasn't the day after.

[Kendrick Lamar]

That, I think not like us flustered him.

[Drake]

I don't even know what not flust him how, why?

[Kendrick Lamar]

Cuz he even brought it up at the end.

[Drake]

He said he liked it. If it wasn't would didn't have that the in there.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I like that record and I can read between the lines what Julian is saying. I think he. He just. He looked at me the grams like, all right. More of that Pusha T shit. Cool. I know my family. My family loves me. That's just propaganda shit. Not like us started to hit. And you have an anthem about me being a pedophile. Yes, I think that flustered him. And Meet the Grands did not at all.

[Drake]

I don't think.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I think he heard that a minor bar and was like, fuck.

[Mall]

I think there might be some. I don't think it was a specific song, but I do think that the thread of Drake not being a part of the culture because we've had the conversation that Drake wants to actually be accepted by the people that he respects, and he feels like he's never been that respect. He calls himself the stepchild. All of these things. We've had this conversation before. I think Kendrick constantly pulling on that thread of, you ain't even really black n don't even really fuck with you like that. Niggas don't really respect you in the industry. Yeah, you got the numbers. Yeah, you got the money. But niggas don't really respect you as part of the culture. You're taken from this person. You're taking from this person. You're taking from this person. I think if anything bothered Drake, Drake, whether he would admit it to his friends, his family, whatever, I think it would be that.

[Kendrick Lamar]

But that's this also timing too, because like we've said, people are tired of Drake winning. He's the Patriots. We're tired of seeing Tom Brady win another ring.

[Rory]

That roast was incredible, by the way. I know we're only talking and even.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I don't trigger Julian here, but even when Eminem said whatever song that was that I didn't like Drake, his whole catalog, everything that's happening to me right now is eventually going to happen to you. People get sick of people winning. If Kendrick got all that off that he said this week, five years ago. I don't think it would hit the same way. The timing is perfect. They were calling Drake a culture vulture 10 years ago, and nobody gave a. Because at that point, the masses love Drake, and he was not an underdog, per se. But still on his ascend.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Now he's just at the point where what else can he do with accomplishments? Yeah. But these things hit way different.

[Drake]

Don't culture vultures just take from the culture?

[Kendrick Lamar]

Yeah.

[Drake]

So Drake has just taken from the culture.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I'm again, not the dictator of who is in the culture and who's not.

[Drake]

No, I'm asking from your point of view, has Drake just taken from the culture?

[Rory]

It's obviously mutually beneficial.

[Drake]

So where's. That's what I'm. I'm just. I'm just. I would rather just say, yo, I don't like this, and I'm tired of seeing him be on top.

[Mall]

Do you really think that that's like a. You think that people just. It's not even just about our culture, about hip hop culture. It's about the other cultures. It's about the stealing of other people's accents and the stealing of other people's flows and the stealing of other people's lingo.

[Drake]

What accents? What are you talking about?

[Rory]

More life. Drake.

[Drake]

Do y'all.

[Mall]

He done been Jamaican, European.

[Drake]

Do y'all know where Drake is from? Do y'all know that he has grown up in a predominantly Caribbean neighbor? Have you ever been to Toronto, one.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Of my favorite cities in the world?

[Rory]

I love.

[Drake]

If you grew up in Toronto, you. That's a. It's heavy Caribbean culture.

[Mall]

You grew up in the Bronx. Do you have a Puerto Rican accent? You're Puerto Rican. Do you have a Puerto Rican accent?

[Drake]

No, but if I want to sit here and sing a song that's Spanish and, like, that's my. It wouldn't be me being a culture vulture if I was an artist. I'm half Puerto Rican.

[Kendrick Lamar]

You know where. You know where it gets.

[Drake]

I grew up in the Bronx.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Weird. And you have to be objective of how people look at it.

[Drake]

That I'm from. I'm from the culture, is what I'm saying.

[Kendrick Lamar]

When clips from Here, Here.

[Drake]

This is where I'm from. This nigga's from Toronto, had family in Memphis, spent time in the south, had family in Hu. Spent time in Texas. Is he not a part of that culture? If I grew up wherever I grew up at, and my friend is one of my best friends. Haitian, Jamaican, Puerto Rican, Dominican. I'm not a part of that. I grew up in these households. I spent time around.

[Mall]

You can be a part.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Dialect is based off West Indian anyway, so I feel what you.

[Drake]

So when people say that, I'm like, yo, he's from Toronto.

[Kendrick Lamar]

People reference, reference. Like old videos of him when he was sitting at dinner with his. I don't. Actor friend, the Degrassi cast, and they're talking about Toronto slang. He's like, yeah, my school. They'd be like, man's them, whatever. And then at the end he said, I think it's super ignorant. Like, he dismissed talking that way and then all of a sudden popped up talking that way.

[Drake]

You have you.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I'm just telling you how they had to do that.

[Drake]

Okay. And that they will be correct. Have you not if you had a camera in your face when you was 15.

[Kendrick Lamar]

And I said waste shit way worse than that.

[Drake]

This is what I'm saying.

[Kendrick Lamar]

But I'm just telling you where people look.

[Rory]

Look at it from this one too. This was one going all over the place. And then you can go, hold on.

[Drake]

Somebody that I was like. I used to see, I would be like, yo, that's that, you know, thing. He open for J.

[Mall]

Why would you bring optically?

[Rory]

It's not good look.

[Mall]

That's not a good example.

[Drake]

His dad is black, bro.

[Rory]

I'm not saying he can't say it. It was the hard er. That's the. The crux. I'm not.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Obviously people look at when I actually. Actually value about Drake intaking certain sounds to the mainstream. Some people from those cultures can get mad at it and see it as exploitation. Afrobeats was about to be the next thing. Lior Cohen was on Interview saying, we're done with hip hop. Afrobeats is the next wave. Spotify, Apple, YouTube, we're only focusing on Afrobeats. Then Drake came with a record from Wizkid. I think it's great. Cause he put Wizkid onto a whole new audience and I think helped give some mainstream feel to Afro beats in America. But some people could look at. At that and go, all right, Drake's in the industry. He knows this is about to be the new thing. Let me put on some Afrobeat accent, get the same drums, get the hottest upcoming one right now to give me validation. And then I'm going to take this Afrobeats wave to benefit from it. Same thing with UK when he did more.

[Drake]

Yeah, but that's.

[Kendrick Lamar]

You're taking the two international sounds that are about to be the next things to pop. I'm not saying that's what is true. That's how people view it, right?

[Drake]

But we know that people, again, some people just never just need to talk, period. We know that some people are just stupid and don't know what the fuck is going on. But look at it from the view of here's the biggest artist in the culture, in this genre, and he's ushering in. He's helping bridge the sound that are currently. Which is why he's a global artist. He has the ability to make these records and make them his own. I don't say, oh, that's culture. Is he not supposed to. If he's an artist that has the capability, and let's be clear, any fucking artist that has the capability to make the records that he makes would make him. If they can make them.

[Rory]

Yeah, well, you know, he's at fault.

[Drake]

Because he actually has that ability to make that record and he's making them. He has the ability to. To make a global record. So he's a culture vulture because he's going to make a record that has Afrobeat culture in it.

[Kendrick Lamar]

And I'm telling you, people, the goal post, when people win too much. You could say the same thing HOV did with Juvenile. That was the next up and coming shit. And Hov hopped on it. Same artist with the bass sound. Hov did that before Blueprint 3. If I remember correctly, that was supposed to be a world album where every song was a different, different sound from a different country. It would have been praised.

[Rory]

It's like Epcot.

[Kendrick Lamar]

People moved the goalpost.

[Drake]

It just doesn't. It doesn't. The shit is. I don't know. That's when you just start nitpicking that, trying to find to against. Because the battle thing is who can assassinate whose character the most battling.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Maybe this makes me a culture vulture. I mean, outside of my face, if Passion Fruit is a culture vulture, I like it. I'm not gonna listen to an amazing song.

[Drake]

I just think that I can see.

[Kendrick Lamar]

How someone offended from that culture could feel. But it's a fucking great record.

[Drake]

I don't get into that now. If he was just taking from these cultures and he wasn't like helping all the other artists, breaking them into mainstream American culture and bringing those artists over here and then going over to London and performing with those artists, if he wasn't doing that and he was just taking that sound and then putting it on, then I could be like, all right, that's kind of fucked up. Like, you Took that whole sound. They wave and you didn't even give them any light. Like, you didn't even like bring them over here and give them a look. He's been running around with Central C all over.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Yeah, but some doing that because Central C is the hottest up and coming UK rapper.

[Drake]

Okay. But he don't need to run around with the. He could just be like, let me do a record with you. And now to be it. He's actually embracing them, bringing them to America, showing them around America and some introducing them to other artists.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Like, his intentions for that aren't pure. Is what people.

[Drake]

Yeah, but that's. Again, people gonna say, you could. Bro, you could sit here and make the best cheesecake in the world. And guess what? Somebody gonna be like, I hate cheesecake.

[Rory]

I like juniors.

[Drake]

It doesn't matter. We can't speak to what certain people are going to feel. We know that everybody's not going to agree with everything, and that's fine. But let's just deal with the fact the nigga has given. He has given just as much, if not more than he's taken. And that's a fact. Look at the whatever charts and. And discographies and any go down the list. I'm not gonna sit. He has given just as much, if not more than he's taken.

[Kendrick Lamar]

That's an angle. I kind of wish he took more on in the Heart part six. Because he said it on Push ups and family matters. Like, everyone is dissing me. I gave y'all your first number one. Like, what are we even talking about? I think he is talented enough to take that culture vulture narrative and flip it. So now all of a sudden I'm a culture vulture? I wasn't the last 20 years when I was giving everybody hits and y'all was coming to all my shows, streaming everything, calling me up for a feature, trying to use my formula. I'm sure there's been international artists that have reached out to him. He's like, yo, this record's dope.

[Drake]

Of course. Of course they have. He's the biggest artist, one of the biggest artists in music.

[Kendrick Lamar]

And to me, that's more of what he should be fighting back on.

[Drake]

Explaining. No, no, because according to you, it would be. I would be him explaining himself and that would be him trying to like, no. So he can't do that either. Because if he goes that route, he's gonna lose that route too. If he sits there, tries to explain. I'm not a culture vulture. Look, I gave the. You gonna come right back on here. Why does he keep explaining himself? You just said that about the pedophile.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Why does he keep explaining drastically different over explaining? The pedophile thing did not work in his favor. And the bars he chose of. I'm famous. I would have been caught. Like, come on.

[Rory]

Yeah, that was.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I'm talking about an angle of facts. And if Drake is not a pedophile, then yes, that's a fact that he's explaining. But when you're over explaining it and you sound so frustrated. Frustrated. You're losing. You're getting too emotional in this. And clearly his strategy worked. I'm saying he could come and explain in facts how we're all hypocrites for now calling Drake a culture vulture.

[Drake]

Nah. But then you're gonna sit here and say the same shit. Nah, you gonna sit here and say the same shit.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I mean, if he starts.

[Drake]

If not you, somebody else.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Oh, well, of course.

[Drake]

So you don't. You can't win for losing. That's what I'm saying. Like, what. What do you. The bottom line is this. The nigga has been on top of the charts. He's been on top of music for over a decade. Decade. And is tired of seeing it. That's all. That's what this. But nobody's. Nobody's. Nobody's man enough to be like, yo, that's what it is. It ain't. He's a pedophile. He's a culture vulture. He's the cut the man. You think if Drake was a little young girl that we wouldn't have been hurt? You think Kendrick Lamar would have broke that story to us?

[Kendrick Lamar]

Well, no.

[Drake]

Kendrick Lamar, no.

[Kendrick Lamar]

And that's where I actually want to shoot a.

[Drake]

That ain't even outside. He would have been the one that would have pointed. That would have brought that to light.

[Kendrick Lamar]

That's why I want to shoot Drake some bail. Because a big thing last night was that the heart part 6 was. Twitter wrote it. Like, Drake was just on the timeline and just pieced together what. What the timeline was saying. I could say a lot about this. The same shit with Kendrick. This whole pedophile thing was before Kendrick replied all over the timeline. A lot of the points Kendrick did take from Push took them from Ross, took them from the timeline line and just explain them in a better way because he's a more talented lyricist than most people. But he took a lot of Twitter points.

[Drake]

Of course he did.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Drake is not the only one that has all of us as a ghostwriter. That's where I. I was like, all right, I see what everyone's saying because yes, this is all Twitter points that's been happening the past two days. But we're moving the goal post again for Kendrick because I thought he did the same exact he took Pusha and Twitter.

[Drake]

Listen, the goal post is going to move when people like Twitter. Like that's just what it is. The goalpost is gonna move. I don't even care about the goalpost move. I'm just sitting here listening to the music, listening to what we've been given and taking from it what I take from it.

[Kendrick Lamar]

And that's all to finish the over explaining point, if he took this same angle of if I'm a pedophile, why have y'all been working with me for the last 20 years? You don't need to over explain that you're not a pedophile with these insane bars of being famous and all this other. Because we've seen plenty of famous people get away with it. Say if I'm a pedophile and y'all have known this, why do y'all continue to work with me? That debunks a lot of then, then, now you gotta stand on that that you with pedophiles and you didn't say.

[Drake]

Anything in this era that's a better.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Angle than over explaining some shit in this era in a frustrated tone.

[Drake]

In this era you think if Drake was a pedophile with we wouldn't have been like, it wouldn't have been proven true already in this era. The shit that's going on now out here.

[Mall]

I don't think Drake's a pedophile.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Had a 60 year run.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Got caught and then run continued.

[Mall]

Yeah. I think money can make a lot. I'm not saying Drake's a pedophile, but I do think just with that point, I think money can make a lot of shit disappear. But also this pedophile shit didn't just come. We're not gonna act like pedophile. Just came out of nowhere. And it was like, yo, just throw this on Drake's jacket. There have been instances of things that have led to believe that he likes young girls. For example, the whole Georgia Smith point.

[Drake]

Georgia what?

[Mall]

When he was dating Georgia. Her last name Smith. Right, Georgia. When he was dating Georgia, she was originally very young. I think she wasn't that a thing going on.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Georgia was not my preference, but I believe she was 18 when they talked. Which again I think is weird when you're in your 30s.

[Rory]

The CECE on the beat, the girl on the Basketball, high school basketball team that he was DMing and then went to a game, saw her friend who happened to make beats and he got money, money for whatever the Rick Ross record. Money in the grave record out of them.

[Mall]

Him being around 24, 25, pulling the 17 year old girl on stage, she says she was 17 and then saying how good her breast felt against him. This is on video.

[Rory]

And he kissed her.

[Mall]

Then he kissed her. So this did not.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Just arguing with John Morant in push ups about a girl that's what, 20.

[Mall]

21, I think this is.

[Kendrick Lamar]

So make you a pedophile. But when you add all those things up and then you have a rap battle. Yeah, that's where you get Kendrick saying A minor and maybe enchanting.

[Rory]

And look in, in the, in the scale of a rap battle too. Like, I think it's safe to say Drake has an aff for younger women. That doesn't necessarily mean pedo. Like, he's not like, perhaps.

[Drake]

Stop right there. Stop right there.

[Rory]

But, but in the sake of a rap, in the sake of a rap.

[Drake]

Beef, what sounds better?

[Rory]

You like fucking women that are 20 or. Hey, bro, you're a pedophile.

[Drake]

I understand that.

[Rory]

You have to say the worst version of the thing.

[Drake]

I understand that, but that's what I'm saying. That's. To me, that's the point right there though. Like, if you're going to say if I. If you think I like younger women, say I like younger women. Don't say, because pedoing younger women is two different things.

[Rory]

But in a rap game.

[Mall]

So the only thing keeping him from being a pedophile is the law.

[Rory]

Yeah, of course, the law.

[Drake]

Anybody for me, the grams.

[Kendrick Lamar]

He definitely dissected his love for young women. Like, he tore that apart. He did both is what I'm saying. He made the joint. We're gonna sing along to that. Says pedophile and then actually broke down his fucking addiction to everything in his life, including young women and where it came from. I don't see. Every time you say no, I know you should be dismissing what I'm saying.

[Drake]

No, no, no. I'm listening to what you're saying. I'm taking it on. But I'm just like, okay, I get what you're saying from that angle. I understand. I'm just back to what I said originally about an hour and a half ago. Drake is smashing these N and it's not even close. He's out rapping these N. He's making better songs out of this whole rap beef. Kendrick Is rapping that not like us. I like that record. That shit gonna go off. But outside of that record, he just put out more records. But isn't it quality over quantity?

[Mall]

So you saying that Euphoria does not have quality.

[Kendrick Lamar]

All quality in quality.

[Drake]

I'm not saying it don't have quality, but I'm just saying saying like if.

[Kendrick Lamar]

He tried to drop five club bangers and only not like us hit, then I'd be looking at it way different. Every song to me is drastically different.

[Rory]

And serves a different purpose.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Yeah. So that's where I think.

[Drake]

So that's where y'all think he won.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah. Currently, currently as it falls on today's date at this time. Because any one of these could drop.

[Drake]

Yeah, yeah, right. Kendrick is winning.

[Kendrick Lamar]

But I gave the same credit. Do I not come in here and say Charged up is one of the most underrated records you should now see.

[Rory]

Don't do that. Now you're doing that to make.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Trying to prove a point, to make valid. How we look at Charged up where it was checking the temperature. I'm rapping, I'm saying some shots here and there and then I hit you with a club banger. We look at that as a great strategy. That smoke Meek. I'm saying the same for Kendrick now. He hit both angles. You got some that could be in the car, some that could be at the club. Like, like it's perfect. Drake did the same thing and that's why he smoked Meek. Kendrick's just doing it to him now. And that's where I think Drake got flustered was after. Not like us was hitting all weekend on some damp. That's all. But listen, I.

[Mall]

The culture.

[Kendrick Lamar]

When I, when I, when I was younger we used to debate if Jay Z was really in a karate class at 36. This is. Now we're debating who's a pedo.

[Drake]

It's crazy.

[Rory]

It fits the times. That's why, that's why I love and.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I'm on the side of always. There's no lines in rap beefs. No, I love the molesting take. Even though he was wrong in the info. Great take. There's no line to cross. I saw so many people like, oh, Drake's taking it too far with the victim. This is battle rap. That was a. If he would have had the information correct, that would have hit crazy.

[Drake]

So we feel the same about the 11 year old daughter and that we found some common ground.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Yeah, I don't, I don't think that hits the same at all. I think what he was saying about Drake in regards to the 11 year old daughter was fire. But now that it's not even real.

[Mall]

Yeah, I didn't believe it when I first heard it. I. I totally ignored that verse.

[Drake]

Believe that.

[Rory]

But even that verse, there's still three very good verses here.

[Mall]

Yeah, exactly. I just ignored that.

[Rory]

His mom, his dad, dad, his friends and him and himself.

[Drake]

Not to cut you off, but you know why I don't with Julian? Because if Eminem did that, if Eminem did exactly what Kendrick did right here, you would be in here killing this. You would be in here killing. Destroying this. Dear Mom, Absolutely destroying this. Nobody gives a if he's reading from his diary. Get these raps out of here. I just wanted to go to Arizona like you would have been in here. This is exactly what you came here saying.

[Mall]

It's a Martin reference.

[Drake]

This is exactly what you would have came here saying if this was Eminem and not. Not Kendrick.

[Rory]

Well, it's not you.

[Drake]

And I can't argue with you on that. It's not. There you have it.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Okay. Even though I feel like me and Damaris are the only objective people here.

[Rory]

What?

[Kendrick Lamar]

Now that you just said that I'm not objective now that you just said that.

[Rory]

Objective.

[Drake]

How am I. How. How we were. Got good records out of. I'm saying in total reality, I think Drake has the better records and the better bars.

[Rory]

J and I flipped at the same time. We were both team Drake up until that last stretch by Kendrick. And I'm still team this whole thing. Drake drop something. You can go up.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Okay, listen, I. I had to tuck my tail to all my LA friends when we were in Mexico.

[Drake]

Tucking.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Cause I was like, all right, y'all got a point right now.

[Drake]

Thinking about not wearing no drawers this summer.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Said the.

[Mall]

I said out of here.

[Drake]

Tuck. What? Smashing on y'all. Man.

[Rory]

You guys still think depending how this ends up, you think Kendrick's still gonna put out this album that we.

[Drake]

What? That album might come out next week. I think Not Like Us is the first single fact. How about that?

[Kendrick Lamar]

If it wasn't before, it is now.

[Drake]

If is the album coming out. I told you, May. The album is dropping this month. Well, for sure. There's no way he doesn't drop album this month. This is the most.

[Mall]

He would be stupid now even if he wasn't going to.

[Drake]

This is back in the charts. That album is coming now.

[Rory]

Poetic.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Well, that's because it's. The two of them are beefing.

[Mall]

You search their name. That's what comes up yeah.

[Drake]

So guess what?

[Kendrick Lamar]

It's a great song.

[Drake]

Guess what else is coming. A new album. We gonna use all of this. Oh, we going to roll. This is the. Oh, this is marketing budget. Weird. We don't need that. We need what? Drop the. The album just hit the. The Internet tonight. It's going up.

[Rory]

The poetic justice about this whole beef in totality is they're the two people that relate to themselves, to each other the most.

[Drake]

What do you mean?

[Rory]

They're so. They're so alike and they need each other at least in this regard. In terms of this like go back and forth sparring thing.

[Mall]

Kendrick might slap me for saying that. So how they're so.

[Rory]

I'm saying like they're.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Drake would too.

[Rory]

But their reality is like they're so far removed from the real world. Not even just like the 9 to 5 working world, but also the hip hop world. They're on such a different stratosphere that I think they. If they really sat down and talked, I think they would find so much more common ground and relate to each other more than any other artist.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I think they tried that for a long time and realized that they're not the same people and they don't get.

[Mall]

Along and they have different vibes.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I think they. They probably tried to have a pretty cool rapper friendship for a minute and things were just different.

[Drake]

No, I think. I think it comes down to. It gets to a point where you realize in order for you to reach a certain level, you gotta kind of go at whoever is at the top. We could be friends, but in order for me to get to a certain space, we're going to have to have this moment. Like we're going to have to have this. Which is why, you know, the whole cold shit kind of pissed me off because it's like, damn, we needed this. Like, we needed to have this. Imagine Cole mixed in this and what we would have got from him.

[Rory]

I think it would have hurt.

[Drake]

Hurt who? Cole.

[Rory]

I'm not shooting Cole. Bale. I still. Again, we've talked about his. The movie. I don't think having three heads in this would have done this whole situation good. I think that she needed to shoot a fair one and needed to be a one on one.

[Drake]

Oh, it could still be a one on one. I didn't say Drake and, and, and Cole had to make a. A duet.

[Rory]

No, but Kendrick would have had to split his attention at some point to what does he do?

[Kendrick Lamar]

Like shooting at Drake is splitting his.

[Drake]

10 people his attention, man. But in a good way is Coming at him.

[Mall]

But who he's shooting at is not a Cole. He's not shooting at Cole. So he's not. He's shooting at a Kendrick and others. He's not shooting at a Coal and a Kendrick. There's a difference in splitting your attention between two people who are really, really, really good.

[Drake]

Kendrick.

[Mall]

Splitting your attention between.

[Drake]

But that's what Kendrick wanted. Kendrick said, fuck the big three. It's just big me.

[Mall]

I think Kendrick just wanted Drake.

[Rory]

Of course I agree.

[Drake]

Duh.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Absolutely.

[Drake]

We know that now. We know that now. But we didn't know that when Kendrick. When Cole put that record out.

[Rory]

Seven Minute Drill, by the way, is one of the best records that came out of this.

[Drake]

It is yo yo.

[Mall]

With the most.

[Drake]

Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo yo. We can't even find that record nowhere.

[Rory]

I got it.

[Drake]

Shut the fuck up. Nobody wants to hear. Nobody wants to hear seven Minute Drill.

[Mall]

I was.

[Rory]

Seven minutes.

[Drake]

It's over. What's the. With him and Boss on the album that I like.

[Rory]

Hide your.

[Drake]

Hide your. Play that. Don't. Don't talk.

[Kendrick Lamar]

That record's crazy.

[Drake]

Hide your. I love that record.

[Kendrick Lamar]

First of all, that EP is fire. Take away seven minutes.

[Drake]

It's dope. It's dope.

[Kendrick Lamar]

You can clearly see that the Ibiza record was supposed to be the outro.

[Drake]

Yeah, it's a dope.

[Kendrick Lamar]

And that's one of my favorite recent dope. It's a dope project with Daylight and Abso Crazy.

[Drake]

Love it. Rap love, love it. But guess what? We can never talk about Battle J. Cole ever again.

[Mall]

That's fine. I think the Fall off is still going to be one of the albums.

[Drake]

That shit. Keep it.

[Rory]

You can't do that to the album.

[Drake]

I don't want to hear it because I don't believe him.

[Rory]

Fine. You miss out on the good music.

[Drake]

Turn up. I'll go listen to 616 in LA. I don't know.

[Kendrick Lamar]

But if we're looking at two people that are either telling the truth about each other or lying about each other. How do we view Drake and Kendrick after this?

[Rory]

They're awful.

[Mall]

They've been awful, but they've been awful.

[Drake]

Who.

[Rory]

I don't look to musicians to be beacons of moral code.

[Mall]

We already had. We already had the converse. We already had the conversation.

[Rory]

So, like self prophesizing the diamond thorn crone crown, the fake blood. Like it's so gimmicky and lame.

[Mall]

Said that in order to be in the music industry. And this alludes to you too. In order to be in the music industry. You are either going to be a nasty or bump heads with a nasty or rub shoulders with a nasty. That's period. We, we already know that. So finding out that these two are a piece of. Nobody's surprised if if everything they said is true. No one is surprised.

[Rory]

And Drake might have another kid. They just got the wrong one.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Who the cares that that's also why even if that was true, I'd be a boy.

[Rory]

Yeah, that 12 year old man.

[Kendrick Lamar]

That verse I liked content wise because I thought it was creative. But it didn't hit to me even if it was true. Oh, the biggest artist in the world is another kid. Cool.

[Drake]

Nah. So don't do that because if it was true and that girl was her really his kid. See, that's something y'all got. Y'all not keeping it real. If that was true and that little girl was really Drake's kid, you would be in here like, yo, he's a sick. Like after the first kid, he's still in another. So don't say you wouldn't have cared. Don't say that.

[Rory]

It would have emboldened Kendrick's record. But it doesn't make me think any differently about Drake.

[Mall]

Yes.

[Rory]

At all. I. I feel the same about Drake. If they said, yo Drake, you got a whole nother family. I don't give a how many kids he has running around.

[Drake]

That would affect. Doesn't matter. I know what you don't care about.

[Rory]

That would affect him him personally that other people know affect him to his.

[Drake]

The way people view him. That would have him up.

[Rory]

I don't think so. I think people's perception of Drake is so you can't hit me with the.

[Drake]

Reason that y'all say Pusher one is cuz he dropped the bomb that he has a kid.

[Rory]

Exactly.

[Mall]

That was.

[Drake]

Imagine if he had another one that Pusher didn't even know about. It would be even crazier for y'all.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Right, Exactly.

[Mall]

It's like all right, we already know.

[Kendrick Lamar]

He hides kids creative and taking an angle of full of.

[Drake]

If that was real and that kid, that girl was really Drake's daughter, y'all would be.

[Rory]

We also don't know if it's not real.

[Drake]

All right, man, if.

[Kendrick Lamar]

If that was true and Drake has actually been taking care of that girl and it was a family decision to keep that hidden for the child's sake or the mother's sake, I would come in here and say that's none of y'all business. Yeah, that's not a. A stain on Drake's jacket.

[Drake]

That's not. But you didn't say that. When the push about battle happened, he was one of those on the side of like, yo, damn. He exposed him.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Like, yeah, no, I was on the side of wow. That's probably the only way you're gonna beat Drake in a battle. You have to out gossip what's going on in his life. What a move. Okay, so double dumbed himself down so much on that. I said, damn, that's probably the only way you could be Drake. Because if Push came on there with a million entendres rapping away. Push raps. It wouldn't hit. We'd been like, all right, cool.

[Rory]

I'm gonna hit you, kid like some bricks.

[Drake]

So now. So now imagine I'm gonna listen to Godson. All right, so now imagine he had a who daughter that entire time that we just found out about. Imagine if Kendrick was the rapper to expose that.

[Kendrick Lamar]

You would have came in here also. I've on record a million times.

[Drake]

I would have killed him for that. Well, the biggest thing to me was.

[Kendrick Lamar]

That she didn't reply.

[Drake]

But you had your time to be like, yo, by the way, I got another.

[Kendrick Lamar]

But what if the decision amongst the family was, we are not.

[Mall]

We don't want to do this. Yeah.

[Kendrick Lamar]

But with Adonis's mother, she was fine with it. And obviously the Push thing happened doing. So let's embrace this moment because we have no choice.

[Drake]

They don't have. They don't have. Nobody has to tell you that they have kids.

[Kendrick Lamar]

And the bond.

[Drake]

I don't care about that. But there's a battle and a rapper exposes that you have a kid and then y'all say that damn, that was the. That hurt him then. Yes. If he had another kid after all of that or he had a kid before that while that was happening and didn't tell us. Y'all would be killing him for ma.

[Kendrick Lamar]

The bomb was that he really didn't report reply to it.

[Rory]

Yeah, agree.

[Drake]

He didn't reply to what it was Cray.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Of course, on the timeline that did we recorded in real time when that happened.

[Rory]

He didn't rap.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Yeah, it was crazy to hear Push go. You are hiding a child. Like, structurally, it was just a great diss record. But I didn't go like, yo, Drake is. It's over for him. I couldn't wait for his reply to what Push even said at the end of the record. This was a warning shot. We have all summer. We're going to pull it back, lay back layer by layer. That wasn't even a bomb to push him not replying made it a bomb.

[Rory]

Okay, that is sick, cuz. If that was the warning shot, what the else did he have on this man?

[Kendrick Lamar]

I think he was going to go the ab route.

[Drake]

He.

[Kendrick Lamar]

He alluded to that at the end.

[Rory]

I mean, you.

[Mall]

I feel like you lead.

[Rory]

Lead with surgery. The kid would be like the bomb.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I guess we'll never know.

[Rory]

I don't know.

[Drake]

Yeah, who cares what getting this their body. I don't give a. Like, who cares about that?

[Rory]

It's just weird.

[Kendrick Lamar]

It's funny though.

[Rory]

It's funny.

[Drake]

Who cares a got his if he.

[Mall]

Did get his people bleep that for everything else. Everything else.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Well, you said if I got new teeth, we couldn't pod together. Now Drake can get his. His abs.

[Rory]

Imagine. Imagine if Rory came back from Mexico and he started posting photos with his shirt off and he's got like an eight pack.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Y just should rightfully kill me if I do that.

[Drake]

I'm not saying I wouldn't. I'm not saying I wouldn't, but that would be a bomb like, that shake the room. That's what I'm saying. That didn't shake the room for me. I'm like, okay, okay. Like, that's crazy. I would never do that. Just work out. Like, not laying on the table getting my stomach done. That's funny. Like, oh, that's funny. But it ain't no like, oh, he got his body. Oh, this. That ain't that.

[Mall]

Would it have been 15 years ago?

[Drake]

No, I don't care about. I don't care about that type of.

[Mall]

Jay Z came out and exposed that Nas got his body done.

[Drake]

That wouldn't have been a thing. Nobody cares about that type of. Don't care about getting cosmetics. They teeth and they body don't. It's weird. We gonna laugh at you, but it a. It don't. It don't hold a candle next to, yo, this got a kid. He ain't even telling.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I'm thinking 01, if Jay Z said Nas got plastic surgery, that wouldn't hit.

[Drake]

I'm not. That's not what I'm saying. I'm not saying it wouldn't hit. But what I'm saying is amongst like in the room with just us talking, that wouldn't be something. That would be the focal point, bro. And even laugh at that. This nigga got his body. You laugh at that type of shit. But the bomb would be if this nigga got kids that he's not even.

[Kendrick Lamar]

But it's still good around.

[Drake]

It's like, yo, this nigga's. What type of shit he on?

[Kendrick Lamar]

Listen, Nas called Jay a Taebo Ho. And it hit like. It was just funny. It wasn't like a nuke, but it. It was just funny.

[Drake]

It's funny.

[Kendrick Lamar]

You 36 in a karate class. You ta boho. Hilarious.

[Drake]

It's funny. But what I'm saying.

[Kendrick Lamar]

And the thing about Jay Z in a karate class at 36 is hilarious to me.

[Drake]

Funny. What I'm saying is there's other shit that's being said that people are acting like it's not being said. And they say, no, I don't care about that. I don't care if he beat his bitch up. What? Huh? Y'all don't care about this nigga's beating his fiance up?

[Kendrick Lamar]

I care about that, but I.

[Drake]

Look how your whole tone just changed.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Let me finish.

[Drake]

Look how your whole tone just changed.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Because I know when I'm being a hypocrite, when most people won't say that. Yeah, I have an issue with that, and Kendrick does need to address that. But I listen to Biggie Rob records to this day. I listen to Big Pun records to this day. I'm not Mr. Morale.

[Drake]

I didn't say you was.

[Kendrick Lamar]

So to think that in hip hop address that this is a bad thing about hip hop. Hip hop has not taken domestic violence as serious as it should have.

[Drake]

That's amongst other.

[Rory]

Okay, wait. We. Let's not make this a hip hop thing. The world doesn't give a About domestic violence. I don't want to make like a hip hop thing.

[Kendrick Lamar]

No, not of course, but we're talking. Talking about hip hop right now, so.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Never even in battles. Like, I'm. I'm happy that they're taking it here because these are issues that I think is going on everywhere that need to be addressed. But when it was going crazy before battles, Tony Ayo just said Fat Joe was scared to fly.

[Drake]

Funny.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Everyone avoided their skeletons. Everyone knew. I'm not saying Yayo has them. But all rappers didn't take it to a certain place because they had skeletons in their closet. And they tried to keep it to. I'm tougher than you, I could rap better than you, and I probably fucked your wife. Now we are getting into a accountability thing that we need to look in a mirror about, because that's what I was trying to bring up before.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Kendrick Lamar]

If this is true, how are we looking at Kendrick Lamar and Drake? If everything here is true?

[Rory]

That's why I say Kendrick is the real loser here.

[Kendrick Lamar]

And if everyone is lying, why are we choosing these things to lie about? Well, so it's.

[Drake]

It's.

[Kendrick Lamar]

As much as this has been a great moment, and like I said, we're probably never going to have a moment like this in hip hop again. I am enjoying the moment. It's also a nice reflection. If this is all true, what then? What are we doing as fans? And as fans, are we going to look in the mirror and pick and choose which artist we like better and ignore their skeleton? It'll be okay. What he said about him. Because I'm on this side.

[Drake]

That's what always happens.

[Kendrick Lamar]

It's happening right now, and I'm saying I'll be the first to say. I'm a hypocrite, a bunch of shit I stand on moral grounds about that I don't budge on. I listen to music of people that have not only been accused, it's been confirmed of domestic violence. Crazier shit.

[Drake]

Mm.

[Kendrick Lamar]

We draw the line at sexual assault now, thank fucking God. But abuse, we don't do that in hip hop. Tory is still. Tory's probably bigger than he ever has been.

[Mall]

Hey, I'm happy. Soul tape is on the DSPs now too. Oh, I wasn't supposed to say that out loud. My bad. Sorry.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I know what you were alluding to. So I don't know as. As much as I hate to be like the mature buzzkill, but I've enjoyed this, but also thought the whole time, like, if nobody's lying, how could I even look at these two?

[Drake]

But we gonna see.

[Mall]

Are we?

[Drake]

I think more is to. I think, and I believe more is to come. So we'll see. I just think. I'm just saying.

[Rory]

How's he doing? From what you're comfortable with sharing outside of. He just wants to go on vacation.

[Drake]

That's it. Like, he's. The things that I think people are thinking that these. Both of these. I can't speak for Kendrick. I don't speak to him. But I think that both of these gentlemen are in way better spirits and way better moods and energy than people probably would think they are.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Yeah. I actually don't think Drake is in a, like, bad mood. That's why I think yesterday's record was so crazy, because he sounds so frustrated and flustered, and I don't really think he is. He better not go to Turks and post on Instagram because he's gonna look nuts. They're gonna pull up. You go to Turks and pay for sex for the whole week. He better find a different location and not be around any prostitutes.

[Drake]

Niggas pay for sex in the house they live in. What does that mean? See, niggas ain't gotta go on vacation to pay niggas. So anywhere Drake goes down the world, he's paying for sex when he goes there. That's the optics. Like, if he goes to.

[Mall]

I feel like that been the optics.

[Drake]

If he goes to Hawaii, he's just paying for sex there. Yeah, I mean, I get it.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I mean, he's an admitted trick. I don't think that that really hurts Drake if we're like, yo, you go to Turks and pay for sex? Like, yeah, I mean, I've been thinking.

[Mall]

About that for years.

[Drake]

That's my whole career.

[Kendrick Lamar]

They have my. They have my album cover at the most popular bar in Turks. Where are the prostitutes.

[Drake]

Said that they're going to kill him. Like, that's not killing him. Like, he's probably going to look at that and be like, okay, you know what?

[Kendrick Lamar]

You know what I meant. I didn't mean actually. Like, that's gonna be a stain on his jacket.

[Drake]

Yeah, but that shit.

[Kendrick Lamar]

That's. The bots are gonna run with it, is all I'm saying.

[Drake]

Oh, but that's.

[Kendrick Lamar]

It's gonna get more validity to.

[Drake]

You can't fight the bots. You can't. There's nothing you can do about that. You gotta just fucking laugh at that shit and just, you know.

[Mall]

Well, how was Miami?

[Drake]

The yams? I ain't really do shit, man. My phone was fucked up.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Did you pay for sex?

[Drake]

I didn't have. Hell no. My phone was fucked up. I didn't have a phone for, like, two, three days. Days. So I was kind of, like, mad and.

[Mall]

Oh, we thought she was just ignoring us in the group chat.

[Drake]

Nah, phone was my phone.

[Rory]

Yeah, I called you. That was like, right to voice. I was like, damn. Maul really just clipped us for the week.

[Drake]

No, no, no. My was. My phone was. Was. It kept saying no sim. I was like, what the Is. It kept saying SOS in the top, shutting off. I was like, all right, let me just go get a new phone. And then I couldn't, because I couldn't.

[Kendrick Lamar]

PG Lang Bots have. Have some arms.

[Drake]

Yeah, I've been.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I thought it was just the Drake standard.

[Drake]

He sent somebody in Miami to. To fucking infiltrate my phone, but. So I didn't have a phone. But we was chilling, man. Me and my brother, we just. Me and Biggs chilled for a couple days, you know, went to a Puma event. Because it was F1. It was a Formula One racing weekend in Miami.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Oh, fire.

[Drake]

So Puma had an event. Great shout out to Emory. We went and fucked with Emory for a few asap. Rocky released a Puma, like a capsule. He got a suit, some sneakers. So they did that. So we went to that, went to dinner.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Was that the thing of the video of Rihanna where she looked amazing? She was wearing pink.

[Mall]

Pink hair.

[Kendrick Lamar]

It went, like, viral.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Was she viral for the past?

[Mall]

She was looking at Rocky. He had, like, a helmet on or a mask on.

[Rory]

She gave him a stare. Everyone's like, I wish my girl looked at me the way that.

[Drake]

Probable.

[Mall]

They said they was.

[Drake]

I think he. Well, we left before Rocky got there, but I would. I would have been surprised if. Well, that's part of that. That whole Puma helmet thing that. I don't know if that was there. I don't know if it could have been, but we weren't there for that. We left. We was there for, like, two hours and left. But I didn't think Rocky was gonna show up because the record had just dropped. And, you know, once a nigga call your girl by her pet name publicly, I think that you would be in the house ready to fucking kill something.

[Kendrick Lamar]

But I feel like Rocky is intelligent enough to know that when he dropped that.

[Drake]

Oh, yeah, that looks awful.

[Rory]

Bar, this is the same event.

[Drake]

It looks like it.

[Kendrick Lamar]

That Drake was gonna come back with the easiest scheme ever.

[Mall]

Yeah, that was set up.

[Kendrick Lamar]

He just threw a floater up for Drake. Like, why would you even do that?

[Drake]

Yeah, you can't do that.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Like, you can't brag about my baby mother that. I don't claim I fuck with Rocky.

[Drake]

But when I heard that, I was like, that's not gonna end good.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I want to give Rocky some credit to think that he just honestly does not give a fuck and is just happy in a relationship and just said something to say it.

[Drake]

It's nothing you.

[Kendrick Lamar]

He wouldn't. I don't think he would hide after knowing what would come back after him saying that.

[Drake]

No. But I just. I just felt like he would probably be somewhere in the studio ready to, I don't know, just, you know, rap. I didn't think that he was going to show up to the event.

[Mall]

That's a losing battle. I would just show up to the event with my very beautiful girl, who.

[Drake]

You got to at some point. I didn't think it was going to be that same day. The record had dropped the night before. Like, yeah. I was like, I don't think he's going to show up to this. And then his DJ played. What was the name of the Meet the Grand Rams. Was it the. That's that. Is that the record?

[Rory]

The dark record? The long like does telling talking.

[Drake]

One of. One of. One of Rocky's. I think it was his DJ was DJing the event.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Drake]

And he played. I don't know which one of the Kendrick joints he played, but it was the one that had just came out.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Probably euphoria because I can't see.

[Rory]

No, no, the function is crazy.

[Drake]

He played Meet the Grams. I'm trying to tell you.

[Rory]

But it wasn't 6:16 in LA.

[Drake]

No, meet the Grams. But he blended it with like a. I'm trying to tell y'all. This was the. I. I was looking at him more amazed. I'm like, this record came out 11 hours ago. This record came out 11 hours. How the. Do you have a mix already to this record?

[Kendrick Lamar]

And when do you. Six minute record in which verse starting at.

[Drake]

That's what I'm saying. I was listening to it and I. And I'm like, yo, he's blending the. The. The Meet the Grams joint. I was like, this is crazy. Like how the fuck are. It was. It was wild. But you was in a good blend.

[Kendrick Lamar]

You could mix the end of. You lied about your Ghost Rider. You lied about. You could mix that with some edm.

[Drake]

It wasn't a bad blend. But when Emory said, nah, that's Rocky's peoples it made sense. I was like, okay. Cause there's no way you're playing that record with a blend 11 hours after it came out. I was like, that's just. That's. I was looking around to see if anybody else was gonna feel the same way I felt. I'm like, yo, that's not weird that this record just dropped. He has a blend to it already with a whole different rhythm.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Did he start out with that or he blended into it?

[Drake]

No, no, it was, it was. He started with the record, the original Kendrick record.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Okay.

[Drake]

And then went into the blend. And I'm looking like, bro, this song came out not even 12 hours ago. How do you have this. That means you was up working on this as soon as it dropped. Big week.

[Rory]

Big week for DJs.

[Drake]

It was crazy, but it made sense. Cause that's Rocky's crew. So I'm like, okay.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Also why, like, why are you working on Play Euphoria and just let that rock? Because that could play at a function and that.

[Mall]

Another thing, I don't like the Videos I'm seeing of people like, yo. In New York is dancing and not like us. Real New York people are not sitting up there dancing to that.

[Rory]

The.

[Mall]

The transplants are dancing to that. You put that on. On a. In a spot in New York, and the only people that's going to dance to it is people who dislike Drake and from la. Nobody's really dancing to that song.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I've seen plenty of New York dance to similar mustard beats. Why wouldn't they dance that?

[Drake]

Okay, you ain't really feeling that bop like that.

[Kendrick Lamar]

You didn't remember when Mustard control.

[Mall]

I don't want to hear it. In a New York. In a New York party.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I've seen everyone dance to yg ty$ oh, yeah. Every. Every. We was dancing to Boot it. You don't think we're gonna dance to Mustard?

[Mall]

I'm talking about today. I'm talking about today. What goes off today? I think LA music goes off today.

[Drake]

According to the timeline that's gonna be in New York.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I think that song works with everything that's going on now. I don't know if it'll work a.

[Mall]

Month from now without the beat.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Right now.

[Mall]

What's Happening cares about that song without the beef. Nobody cares about, like, in New York in a party. Nobody cares about that song without a beat.

[Drake]

Of course. Hell no.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Yeah.

[Mall]

OVI Ho is Holly. The memes and shit that they were putting people dancing to. That was actually. Actually very funny.

[Drake]

Yeah, but like the marriage said, if it wasn't Beef Attachment.

[Rory]

Oh, no. Yeah, of course.

[Drake]

I wouldn't care about it.

[Rory]

But then Kendrick wouldn't make a song like that if there was no beef.

[Drake]

But I don't care what happens from this point on. Honestly, I don't. I'm just.

[Rory]

That's Cab.

[Drake]

No, I'm. Bro, I'm telling you, I just. I don't. I can't. It's just like, all right, what we. Which one is this now? Who. Which one did he just drop 10 hours? It's too much of that, bro. I don't know how to fucking. It's like, all right, man, just let me know when it's done and let's collectively just listen to this and I'll let y'all know what. Which music I like more. But as of right. Right now, I think Drake has made the better songs and has the better bars. Kendrick has made some. Like I said, not like us. I like. I like Euphoria, Meet the Grams. I. This. I don't think I'll go back to that much But I get it. If people like it, I understand.

[Kendrick Lamar]

But I'm only looking at Drake to really reply. I know technically Kendrick would be on the clock, but with that white flag, Kendrick could be quiet right now, and he probably. Probably would be looked at as the.

[Rory]

Victor if it ended right now. Ma, I'd say Kendrick one.

[Drake]

Of course you would.

[Rory]

That's not enough chorus.

[Drake]

It is.

[Rory]

It's literally.

[Mall]

Why are you saying of course when everybody knows he's an od? Drake Dick sucker.

[Drake]

Thank you, but no. But he's gonna say that because he doesn't crazy. Because he doesn't want to look like a OVO dick sucker. That's why. What?

[Rory]

No, it's not at all. I'm just being objective in this battle. I. Like I said, I think at one point, Drake was up. I currently think Kendrick's up. Drake can go back back up.

[Drake]

But you think Kendrick is up because he put out more music? No, I don't think that he put up.

[Rory]

It's not about the volume. I think he's just done better timing in releasing.

[Drake]

So it's time. His timing is better in a battle that's huge. Got it.

[Rory]

That's probably the most important thing in a beef.

[Drake]

Listen, it's subjective, man. If you feel like Kendrick won or is winning, cool, man. I'm not for the record.

[Rory]

I want Drake to win.

[Drake]

It's not about who I'm. I'm just listening to the music and the music that I'm listening to. I listen to Family Matters. I listen to the hard part 6. I listen to Euphoria. I listen to Pushups.

[Rory]

Family Matters.

[Drake]

Not like us. I mean, it's cool, but I don't think I'll be really playing it.

[Rory]

That Family Matters record, I know what.

[Drake]

That record is gonna do. Put it like that. I'm not deaf. I know what Not Like Us is gonna do. I get that.

[Kendrick Lamar]

So.

[Drake]

So, I mean, I just. To me, personally, the music, the bars, the flows, the cadences, I think in those departments, Drake is ahead. But that's just me. You know, I'm ovo. Whatever they want to call me.

[Mall]

OVI Ho.

[Drake]

OVI Ho. Whatever.

[Rory]

You're the mole.

[Drake]

Ma. Phone doesn't work. I don't care what y'all saying about me online.

[Mall]

I can't see Mole, by the way.

[Drake]

Sorry.

[Rory]

Who said that? Look it up.

[Kendrick Lamar]

He can't be the mole. He hates Kendrick.

[Drake]

I don't hate him. Yeah.

[Kendrick Lamar]

He would never play both sides.

[Rory]

Mob in the mole would be the least believable thing of all time.

[Drake]

I'M just not a. I don't care about this enough to be a mole. I'm just what you think. I care about this rap beef enough to be a mo.

[Rory]

I don't care enough about Drake to be a mole. Oh, no. To not be a mole.

[Drake]

No.

[Rory]

Like, if there was a situation where you could get close to Kendrick's camp and feed Drake information, I believe that might be the case. You wouldn't feed. You wouldn't do anything to hurt Drake.

[Drake]

So you think that if I had a chance to get info from Kendrick, I would and then go feed it to Drake? You know, I'm older than all of these niggas. The fuck I look like working for these niggas? Are you crazy? Not working?

[Rory]

You could just form a relationship with them.

[Drake]

I have a relationship with Drake.

[Rory]

Not Drake, Kendrick.

[Drake]

I don't have a relationship with Kendrick and not going to develop a relationship being a mole. I'm not doing the. You talking to.

[Kendrick Lamar]

It's a tight crew over there.

[Drake]

Never say hi to Whitney. Who.

[Rory]

Oh, never mind.

[Drake]

All right.

[Kendrick Lamar]

She's went. She's went. She's went through enough.

[Drake]

Yeah.

[Mall]

And that. Yeah, yeah, what you said.

[Rory]

So you go say hi to Whitney.

[Kendrick Lamar]

See and see. In conclusion. In conclusion. I think currently Kendrick is winning, but I think Kendrick.

[Drake]

You don't believe that.

[Kendrick Lamar]

But I want.

[Drake]

Can we. Yo, Damaris. Find a lie detector company. We're gonna bring the lie detector head.

[Rory]

Oh, remember? Do you guys remember that show?

[Drake]

Strap this up to the lie detector. He's lying.

[Kendrick Lamar]

No, I was trying to lie to myself that. That Drake was winning and I relisten everything. It's. Kendrick is winning. I'm not saying it's a full landslide, but I don't think last night helped. That's all. All I'm saying. I do think Kendrick does need to address this mole and him being tricked about the daughter thing.

[Drake]

Oh, so he's down all of a sudden?

[Kendrick Lamar]

No, I think he needs to address it. I think he needs to address that. He needs to address the women beating thing. If he doesn't address the Dave thing, I don't really care because that's like. That's so wild that I don't even know if you need to say.

[Rory]

Rory, what does addressing it do? Because we just said we don't like Drake when he just starts, like, sounds like he's explaining and not rapping. I think it's smart if Kendrick never explicitly says, I never beat my woman or whatever.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I gave you guys a full example of what he could have done instead of over explaining. If I'm a pedophile, why have you guys all worked with me for this long? That's done.

[Drake]

That's sickening. What Drake said to me. Y'all killing him for saying, yo, if I'm a pedophile, I would have been arrested already. I think a going that angle is way worse.

[Mall]

Yeah, they would have. I don't agree. Or they would have killed him.

[Drake]

Why y'all working with me?

[Mall]

Yeah, they. They to kill him for that. They to kill him for that. They to kill him for that. What it might be a dis to the people.

[Drake]

He better not ever say no like that.

[Kendrick Lamar]

This not trying to get what's on you off you to the next person. If I'm such a pedophile, why the do y'all work with me?

[Rory]

No, but then at that point now he's smarting his whole crew.

[Drake]

Yeah, no, that's like the.

[Rory]

To the people that are closest to.

[Drake]

Him like this just.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I just think that's okay. I'm not a pedophile. But if I was and y'all are calling me one, why do you work with me? All of you? And that's would be the best way to sum that whole thing up. Because if I'm not a pedophile, unless I'm in court, because I'd fight that to death. Yeah, if somebody just calling me a pedal pedophile, I. I know that's so untrue that I would probably laugh at it. But if it caught some steam, I would address it quickly in that type of way. Now, I think Kendrick needs to explain the wife beating allegations. I'm saying he needs to do a whole record about what went down.

[Rory]

What do you want him do like.

[Kendrick Lamar]

A something on your jacket, right? What you meet the grams was a red table talk. What you talk?

[Rory]

Nah, but that should.

[Kendrick Lamar]

That should have been hosted by Jada. She should have been talking like, who kid on that record.

[Drake]

I agree.

[Kendrick Lamar]

That would have. That's what we needed. If you put a fake Sandra, a fake Dennis and Jada Pinkett Smith at the red table for a visual, that's a win.

[Mall]

Now that eats that. That would go crazy your mind.

[Kendrick Lamar]

See, I should have ghostwrite the pedophile shit.

[Mall]

Yo.

[Kendrick Lamar]

That'd be the sickest writing credit to ever.

[Mall]

Hip hop one man. I'm just so happy to be of age and witness this battle. I'm ecstatic as a fan.

[Drake]

Hip hop.

[Mall]

I think we all are.

[Drake]

See, Stop using words.

[Mall]

I am ecstatic.

[Drake]

You're not.

[Mall]

Yes, I am.

[Drake]

Your house done with this. Last night.

[Mall]

No, last night, last. I wasn't in the house. I was actually outside. And yes, last night I was finished.

[Rory]

What changed from last night to now?

[Mall]

What do you mean?

[Rory]

Like now all of a sudden?

[Kendrick Lamar]

Are you.

[Mall]

No, I was appreciative of it. I can be appreciative of something and then be like, all right, y'all, stop.

[Rory]

I love it. Keep going.

[Mall]

I think if I didn't do this for a living, I wouldn't be tired, if that makes sense.

[Rory]

Drake gave us six Kendrick records in like, a week and a half span. I don't even like Kendrick like that, but just.

[Drake]

This is good.

[Rory]

This is great. Keep going.

[Kendrick Lamar]

My critiques to Heart Part Six are just critiques. I'm so happy he dropped. I love that he's rapping. Rapping.

[Drake]

Y'all do think that Kendrick should still release a song called the Heart Part six?

[Rory]

I think he could. I don't think he should. He can do whatever he want.

[Mall]

I think he could.

[Drake]

Yeah, of course he can. You can do whatever the he wants.

[Rory]

Because knowing that. Because now he can. There's that. Six has such a deep, mean meaning in Drake's career. And obviously the Heart is the Heart series, so it's. It's. It's the perfect meeting of two namesake staples. And there's so many flips that Kendrick can make in doing so with just that six alone. That's why I think if he has the bars for it and he has the scheme to do it, do it.

[Kendrick Lamar]

No, I think he should do the heart part 6 and not address Drake or this situation whatsoever. Make another classic Heart record, and people will forget about Drake's hard part.

[Mall]

But it has to be.

[Drake]

It's gonna forever if. If he names it the Hard Part six, it forever lives next to this record.

[Mall]

True, but it has to be good. If you make it good, people won't forget. But if you make it, he has. It has to be fun to the level.

[Drake]

If.

[Kendrick Lamar]

If you let time pass and you do to the level what he did On Heart Part 5 with that rollout and the visuals and everything, people will probably be over the battle by that point, and it'll move on and just be part of the great Heart series.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Drake]

All right, well, I'm all talked out for the day. I'm gonna go back and, you know, just continue to live off the grid for a few days.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Listen, man.

[Mall]

Rory, how was Mexico?

[Kendrick Lamar]

It was good. I overestimated bringing a toddler. I've traveled with Amara pretty much every trip, but this one was Just we were doing too much. Too much traveling, too much going back and forth to different places.

[Drake]

So you underestimated.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Oh, what did I say over here? Oh, yes, underestimated drastically. It was. It was a lot. Still. Still a great trip, but yeah. 14 hours in an airport with a toddler to then do a red eye flight and then land here and come right to the studio. Yeah, I'm exhausted.

[Drake]

Yeah, it was. It was a week of just chilling for me. It's funny because I was. Me and our Biggs was. Cause I was like, yo, you know, you go out of town for a while, you pack so much shit, and you think you gonna. I used two outfits, and the rest was literally basketball shorts and T shirts. Just chilling in the house. Like, I. And had a great time. We ordered, watched every game every night, ordered food, smoked, chilled, walked the beach a little bit.

[Mall]

That's how it be when you chilling with your siblings, though. Like, when you chilling with your siblings, it just is kinda like home and it's like, I just get to turn off.

[Drake]

Yeah, me and Biggs had a. It was a really, really, just chill, like, good time. Like, we had a good time Just literally just us two just kicking it for like, six days.

[Kendrick Lamar]

And you. You dual A D now.

[Mall]

Yeah. You who I. I was in the hospital while you guys were having fun on vacation. I was in the hospital helping my friend deliver her baby.

[Drake]

Mm. Congrats.

[Mall]

Thank you. She has the. He has the same birthday as Rory.

[Drake]

Congrats.

[Rory]

Damn, That's a curse.

[Kendrick Lamar]

You have that energy with 19 keys when he was here.

[Rory]

Does he have your birthday?

[Kendrick Lamar]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I didn't know that now.

[Drake]

You didn't know. You said it. Shy away from it.

[Rory]

He's a 20th key.

[Drake]

Yeah, exactly.

[Mall]

But, yeah, man, just shout out to. To women in childbirth.

[Rory]

Shout out to women.

[Kendrick Lamar]

No, but.

[Mall]

No, but. Dead ass. Like, dead ass. Like, it's. It's watching her go through what she went through is. I went with. We were in the hospital for five days.

[Rory]

Was she listening to the records? Like, through the process? Like, how'd she keep up with the beef?

[Mall]

So every time something would. So during the day, I was there. Her mom would be there at night. So every time I would leave the hospital around 10:30pm and be like, I'm exhausted. Like, I'm about to go home and go to sleep. Like, the next morning I would see her, and she was like, you ain't getting no sleep last night, huh? Cause she couldn't sleep because she was hooked up to a bunch of machines and monitors. And contractions. So every time something drops, she like, damn, I know Damaris up like, Damaris been at this hospital all day and can't go to fucking sleep because these niggas won't stop releasing records.

[Kendrick Lamar]

But I hope she named the child at least the middle name Euphoria or Graham or, like, something to represent the moment, the time.

[Rory]

Man. Why would you want to be associated with the Grams after that?

[Kendrick Lamar]

Why would you want to be associated with Euphoria?

[Mall]

No, none of them. None of them shout out to Sebastian, but, yeah, none of them.

[Drake]

Good name. I like that name.

[Rory]

Yeah, I golfed. I had a workout class. Shout out my cousin Andrew.

[Drake]

All right. Thank you for joining subscribing.

[Rory]

I cooked.

[Drake]

Thank y'all for subscribing. New Rory Mall dot com. We're gonna be announcing live show dates soon.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Yes, very soon.

[Drake]

New merch is. No, the merch is not available.

[Rory]

Tickets will be on Patreon first for show, so.

[Drake]

But the merch will be going out soon. If you ordered any of the that's not hip hop tees, they will start going out soon. Rory has some merch still available.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Yeah, slides and socks are still up, limited sizes, but they're there.

[Drake]

Subscribe to the Patreon. We're gonna be talking some more shit over there in a couple days. And. And, yeah, man. Thank y'all for tuning in. Keep listening. By the time y'all hear this, we'll probably have six more.

[Mall]

The heart part seven, heart part 12.

[Rory]

Oh, I never asked you guys this before. We close all this shit because I certainly saw because I'm on our. The. The pod socials, but I'm sure you guys were flooded. How much hate and visceral was sent your way for a long time to turn.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Shut the fuck up.

[Drake]

Why y'all. Y'all don't take this shit seriously. You guys disrespect, disappear. How'd you guys deal with all that?

[Kendrick Lamar]

I purposely did not look.

[Drake]

My phone was.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Was broke at one thing. I didn't check.

[Drake]

I didn't see none of that.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Any Reddit, our community on Twitter. The first day, like, when I was on the flight after Kendrick replied, that was the only time I checked. And I just put in the community. I chose me. I'm sorry. And then I left it alone. And I left it alone because there was nothing we could do about it.

[Rory]

Yeah. And this was obviously our trip was planned. It was long before everybody else was.

[Mall]

Acting like I was on. First of all, we didn't pump fake you. We didn't lie to you. We have fucking lives. We have shit to do. We work hard and give y'all free content all goddamn day. If Rory wants to take a vacation for his birthday when he has a newborn child that won't stop crying and talking and walking, he can do whatever the fuck he wants to do. Form your own opinions. Because in this day and age, people don't know how to form their own opinions. They take the opinions of their faves. Form your own opinions. We'll be back to give you ours.

[Kendrick Lamar]

And on top of that, I did feel better about it. Like, when euphoria happened and we were on text, like, damn, maybe we should get on Zoom or whatever. Then I was really like, bro, I'm not about to go run around Mexico City trying to find the right WI fi that can handle this just to have an in the moment convo when all the records started dropping. Yeah, I was like, I made the right choice. I'm not going to react to every single record here. And thank God the last one that dropped was yesterday. And we're here to pod about the whole week.

[Rory]

And I knew.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I knew we would continue. We would continue to have retracted statements, and it just would have been a mess if we keep reacting with episodes. I loved that we got to do this with everything on the table. Like, we could reflect what the week was rather than in the moment for every last fucking record.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Kendrick Lamar]

Which is great. I love the people that did it. I just liked for us that we were able to do it at the end.

[Rory]

I knew it was clipped for us to do, like, some emergency situation when your phone was off the grid. And then I was texting Rory, and he was, like, responding to my. The texts were coming in so choppy, and he was responding to the text that I'd sent way earlier, later. And I was like, oh, this? We can't even have a decent text exchange. There's no way we can talk about this shit.

[Drake]

Yeah, I was. I was. I was, like, kind of, like, upset that my phone was fucked up. But then I was like, nah, I'm glad it is, though. So I could just, like, I don't have to talk, tweet nothing. Just want to hear the records as they come out. We'll talk on Monday.

[Mall]

So whose phone did you tweet the fallout show filter from?

[Drake]

That was from. That was from the. My. That was from my. My. My old phone. But after that, like, it still says SOS now. No sim. Like, I just. My phone wouldn't stay on, so I just had to go get A new one. And I'm transferring all my shit so I could. I stopped looking like, I'm back in the game with these two phones. Like, I'm not in the streets no more. You know what I mean?

[Kendrick Lamar]

Who did Biggs choose and what the week?

[Drake]

Oh, as far as the music, yeah. Once not like us dropped, he was like, oh, Drake might have to drop. Like, he. He has to drop after this one. And once I got back to New York last night, that's when the hard part six dropped. And I hit him and was like, damn. Like, he dropped. He shot another missile soon as I landed, and he was like, yeah, definitely. So I don't know how he felt about it, but knowing him, he probably likes that record, though. But we'll have to wait and see what happens from here. We'll talk to you soon. In a couple of days, hopefully. We don't have to cover this anymore.

[Kendrick Lamar]

No, I hope we do what we're going to.

[Rory]

This isn't the only conversation we're having about this.

[Kendrick Lamar]

But you're the one that said that you think Drake has more to come.

[Drake]

Do we have to talk about it, though?

[Rory]

What, do you think Drake's gonna drop record or not? What, are we gonna come in here and not talk about it?

[Drake]

I'm just. I'm just Drake and Kendrick doubt. Like, I don't. I just don't want to talk about this. Like, I'm just. You know what I mean? I'm just off that. Like, let's. Let's find something else to.

[Kendrick Lamar]

I think we just got the intro to where this is gonna go.

[Drake]

But do we have to talk about it?

[Kendrick Lamar]

Yes, yes, mom and I can't wait to.

[Drake]

All right, well, we'll talk to you in a couple days. Be safe, be blessed. I'm that nigga. He's just Ginger. Peace.

[Kendrick Lamar]

No worrying now.