Episode 269 | Love Is Blind (Feat. Clay)

Summary

Podcast Title: New Rory & MAL
Episode: 269 | Love Is Blind (Feat. Clay)
Release Date: May 17, 2024
Hosts: Rory, Mall, Evan, Damaris
Guest: Clay

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1. Introduction and Context

In Episode 269 of New Rory & MAL, the hosts delve deep into the aftermath of the popular reality TV show Love Is Blind, focusing primarily on contestant Clay’s journey. The episode features an extensive conversation among hosts Rory, Mall, Evan, Damaris, and guest Clay, dissecting Clay’s experiences on the show, his relationships, and the ensuing public reactions.

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2. Clay's Perspective on Love Is Blind

Initial Impressions and Relationship with A.D.

Clay opens up about his time on Love Is Blind, emphasizing his genuine connection with A.D. Despite the intense environment, he portrays himself as a steadfast participant who held strong for the relationship.

Clay [00:33]: "She went to the altar because she felt compelled that this is a situation where she felt like I could be her husband."

During their time on the show, Clay discusses the challenges of making quick relationship decisions under public scrutiny.

Clay [08:00]: "Any guy would be lucky to have AD. It was just a process. It was six weeks of me, and I've been on a show."

Held Down in Relationships

Clay asserts that he supported A.D. throughout their relationship on the show, countering any claims of negligence or manipulation.

Clay [72:55]: "We were talking sex in there. Hell, yeah. Pod sex is crazy. I'm a horny nigga, bro."

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3. Post-Show Life and Challenges

Therapy and Personal Growth

Post-show, Clay acknowledges the need for therapy to navigate the traumatic and highly publicized experience of being on Love Is Blind.

Clay [14:00]: "I was being used. But I'm a guy. It ain't even that. What up, though?"

He reflects on the lessons learned and the importance of self-improvement.

Clay [22:58]: "It's all a learning experience, bro."

The Selena Powell Incident

A significant portion of the conversation revolves around Clay’s encounter with Selena Powell post-show. Clay explains that although he met Selena and created content with her, he denies any inappropriate relationship, emphasizing that the interactions were consensual and benign.

Clay [16:56]: "She used you? Yeah, 100%. 100%. But, like, my whole thing is like this... we just having some conversational piece."

Despite his denials, the incident has fueled public backlash, with hosts and listeners scrutinizing Clay’s actions.

Host Mall [44:35]: "But I think what Clay is saying... they’ve been on his ass about that."

Public Backlash and Social Media Scrutiny

Clay discusses the relentless negativity he faces on social media, especially from certain demographics, while also highlighting the lack of coverage on his positive endeavors.

Clay [44:52]: "They don't pick up that stuff. They gonna pick up me with Selena Powell."

He expresses frustration over the media’s focus on negative aspects, overshadowing his business successes and personal growth.

Clay [54:12]: "I got my phone down yesterday. I was telling them all yesterday. I put my phone down."

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4. Advice Segment: Relationship Questions

The hosts transition into an advice segment, where they review and respond to voicemails from listeners seeking guidance on their personal relationships. Clay actively participates, offering his perspectives based on his experiences.

Managing Multiple Relationships

A listener asks for advice on juggling relationships with two women simultaneously. Clay emphasizes honesty and making decisive choices to prevent prolonged turmoil.

Clay [84:18]: "If he got the one that he likes, then he should definitely go with the one that he likes."

The discussion highlights the complexities and moral dilemmas inherent in managing multiple romantic interests, stressing the importance of transparency.

Handling Racism in Relationships

Another voicemail addresses a contentious issue where a listener’s brother is in a relationship with a woman who has exhibited racist behavior. The advice centers around confronting and addressing such harmful behavior to protect the well-being of all parties involved.

Host Rory [113:15]: "Do you want to go back to being a regular person who people can't give their opinion on you..."

Clay reinforces the necessity of honesty and standing against racism within personal relationships.

Clay [114:35]: "I like black women. I want to marry a black woman."

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5. Final Discussions and Takeaways

Navigating Fame and Personal Integrity

Clay reiterates his commitment to personal integrity despite the pressures of fame and public scrutiny. He emphasizes the importance of maintaining strong personal relationships and a supportive network.

Clay [43:01]: "I can move in the light that I am, but I'm gonna be transparent in every step that I go about things."

Business Endeavors and Future Plans

Shifting gears, Clay shares insights into his burgeoning business ventures, including jet ski rentals and event planning, demonstrating his focus on life beyond reality TV.

Clay [78:35]: "Wave Sandy Water Rental. It's a play off my last name. My last name is Grave Sandy, so my business name is Wave Sandy Water Rental."

This segment underscores his dedication to building a sustainable future and diversifying his professional interests.

Closing Remarks and Toast

The episode concludes with a heartfelt toast, where hosts and Clay express support and solidarity amidst the challenges discussed.

Host Mall [125:25]: "Cheers to AD. Cheers to you too, Clay, man, I appreciate it, bro."

They acknowledge the complexities of Clay's journey, offering encouragement for his continued personal and professional growth.

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Notable Quotes

• Clay [00:33]: "She went to the altar because she felt compelled that this is a situation where she felt like I could be her husband."

• Clay [44:52]: "They don't pick up that stuff. They gonna pick up me with Selena Powell."

• Clay [72:55]: "We were talking sex in there. Hell, yeah. Pod sex is crazy. I'm a horny nigga, bro."

• Clay [84:18]: "If he got the one that he likes, then he should definitely go with the one that he likes."

• Clay [114:35]: "I like black women. I want to marry a black woman."

• Mall [125:25]: "Cheers to AD. Cheers to you too, Clay, man, I appreciate it, bro."

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Conclusion

Episode 269 of New Rory & MAL offers an unfiltered look into the tribulations faced by reality TV contestants post-show, embodied by Clay’s candid discussions. From navigating public perception and personal relationships to managing business ventures, Clay provides a multifaceted glimpse into life after Love Is Blind. The hosts amplify these narratives with their own insights and advice, creating a rich tapestry of experiences that resonate with listeners navigating similar challenges.

Clay's journey underscores the importance of self-awareness, honesty, and resilience in the face of adversity and public scrutiny. As the episode wraps up, listeners are left with a sense of empathy and understanding, coupled with practical advice on handling complex relationship dynamics and the pursuit of personal growth.

Transcript

[Damaris]

Okay, but if you. If you were watching yourself on tv.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

And you watched yourself do what you did.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

You wouldn't make assumptions about you. You wouldn't see yourself as a red flag. Because, see, this is the thing I watched after everything aired, and I already knew it was gonna happen. So from episode one, I was pointing out red flags. I was like, oh, she ain't see that one. Oh, she missed that one.

[Clay]

Yeah. But you ain't see the good. You ain't seen the green flag stuff that I did, though. Cause they. They ain't air.

[Evan]

They ain't aired.

[Rory]

You missed all this.

[Clay]

Are you trying to say AD Is dumb for going to the altar?

[Damaris]

Like, see, that's why I say amateur manipulation. No, I'm not saying A.D. i'm saying.

[Clay]

But, like. Cause my whole thing is like, this, right. She went to the altar because she felt compelled that this is a situation where she felt like I could be her husband. Like, so I get what you're saying because you're only watching from a TV show. You don't really know me like that, but, like, there was a lot of things that I did in the relationship. I held AD down. I held AD down with a lot.

[Evan]

Of the people all 10 days.

[Clay]

No, no, no.

[Evan]

I don't do that.

[Mall]

I was faithful for.

[Clay]

No worrying now.

[Damaris]

That wasn't love, baby girl, you was dreaming. I could have killed you when you said your seat was growing from his seams blind.

[Clay]

And it'll take over your mind.

[Mall]

What you think is love, it's truly not.

[Damaris]

You need to elevate and find.

[Evan]

All right, Explain this toast to me.

[Clay]

All right, cool. So we start off, Mike. Yeah. So we start off right. I'm not above you. I'm not below you. But I'm right here with you. Gay.

[Mall]

Okay. I'm not above you. I'm not below you. But I'm right here with you.

[Clay]

I'm right here with you.

[Mall]

All right, gotcha.

[Evan]

Is therapy working for you?

[Rory]

You didn't even take a sip yet.

[Clay]

Get right to it. Right.

[Evan]

Listen, I appreciate the Michelle Obama toast. They go low, we go high. I get it. What's going on, man?

[Rory]

That was Hillary.

[Clay]

Therapy's working for me, bro. I think that is it. Yeah, it is. It is. I, I, I mean, now you tell me, right? Because you look like you got your own opinion. You tell me why you don't think therapy worked for me.

[Evan]

I don't. I don't have an opinion. I only know what happens on the timeline. We. We just met each other.

[Clay]

Yes.

[Evan]

I Mean, do we need to do an intro? It's Clay. Love is Blind. Y'all know what the. Just look at the screen.

[Mall]

Sickest man in America by far. Cool dude.

[Evan]

Though Ma went on a great rant, reached out.

[Mall]

I'm not. I'm not a. I'm not a big reality TV guy. Somebody was like, yo, you have to watch the show. Actually, y'all told me it was me.

[Rory]

Like, it was me right here.

[Clay]

Shout out to Julian, man.

[Mall]

He was like, yo, watch the show. I was like, all right, cool. So I started watching it. I'm like, okay, I get it. You know, they looking for love, things like that.

[Rory]

Things like that.

[Mall]

Yeah. You know, like, I get another one of those shows. Yeah. I mean, some people, it's like. I think I watched the reunion. It's like 10 people that are really married or something like that. Or 11.

[Clay]

I don't even know.

[Mall]

Some 11 couples, something like that. But people are really married, having families, kids, everything. So I watched this. I watched Love is Blind season six, and immediately when. When you. When you popped up, I was like, I know this type of guy right here. I was like, I gotta watch him. What?

[Evan]

But why? I'm excited about this episode. And I caught up last night. I didn't watch when Maul went on one of the most passionate rants I've ever seen. Only you and Drake can get Maul to scream the way that he does.

[Mall]

That's a sick compliment.

[Evan]

It's Clay and Drake.

[Damaris]

Makes sense.

[Mall]

Clay and Drake.

[Evan]

Your passionate rant about Love is Blind was similar to the Drake and Kendrick.

[Mall]

Thing, but only because I was Clay. I thought you and A.D. i was like, they gonna make it.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Mall]

I was like, yo, I like them together. The chemistry was dope.

[Evan]

You wanted love to win.

[Rory]

You also thought Drake was gonna win.

[Mall]

This seems like this is gonna be a great story. I saw a spin off for y'all. I saw all kind of shit happen. And then we get to the last episode, and then once you're at the last episode in Wedding Day, I'm like, oh, they made it. It's kind of like if I'm in the lead in a race, only way I lose this is if I fucking tear my hamstring right here in the last fucking 500ft.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Mall]

So I'm watching it. I'm like, it's gonna be a beautiful day. AD Looks great. Family is there. Your mom and dad is there. You talking to your dad? Your dad is a character, first of all. He needs his own show. But so I'm like, okay, this is happening. So I'm kind of like, right when.

[Evan]

Your dad said, yo, I'm proud of you, I was like, I see where he gets the sickness from.

[Mall]

So I'm like.

[Evan]

I'm like, yo, I'm proud of you, son. Like, wait, what?

[Mall]

And then your dad does this thing that.

[Evan]

Shout out to your pops.

[Clay]

Shout out to dad.

[Mall]

The dad does this thing. Like, we all have an uncle.

[Clay]

You say he spoke of speaking riddles, right? Yeah.

[Mall]

Like, he speaks like he gives you something, but you got to kind of figure it out after he walks away from you. Like, what the fuck did he just say?

[Clay]

Yeah, Fact.

[Mall]

So I'm sitting there watching, and I'm like, okay, this is happening. This is going to be great. And you threw a better curveball than fucking Nolan Ryan. And you was like, yeah, no, I can't do this. And when I tell you I'm rolling up, I'm rolling up a nice Jay. I had something nice. I'm like, yeah, this was a good show. I liked it. And you threw that curve ball. I almost dropped all the weed on the floor. I said, there's no way he just did this. There's no. Fuck. AD Was looking beautiful.

[Clay]

She was.

[Mall]

She was family, was there, everybody. A beautiful day. The weather looked like it was great. And I'm like, this dude, Clay is. And then you and AD Have a conversation after all of that, and then you tell her, like, nah, it's me. It's not you. Like, you hit her with the fuckboy101.

[Evan]

He walked into the trailer and said, yo, you good? No, I'm not good.

[Mall]

Nothing is good about this moment, Clay. Nothing and nobody is good. But after meeting you today, finally. We spoke in the DMs after that, and I told you how sick he was. But after meeting you today and kicking it with you, you're not as sick as I thought. You're not as sick as you do super cool guy. But we're here today to kick it. Cause I need to learn more about Clay. Away from Love Is Blind. Like, who is Clay? What is Clay really into? Before, Love is blind. After, Love is Blind. Like, what's up with Clay, man?

[Damaris]

Man, that ain't what you want to know.

[Evan]

That's not what I want to know.

[Rory]

First of all, he ran track. Congrats. Like, let's. First of all.

[Mall]

But he's in tech. He still works at Microsoft.

[Damaris]

He's fucking Selena Powell.

[Mall]

Yeah, but I don't care about that. Like, that's.

[Evan]

I do.

[Clay]

We're getting a second I'm not, though. And I'll be seeing you. You be making a lot of assumptions. You don't know what you be talking about.

[Evan]

She's a woman.

[Clay]

I've seen that podcast.

[Evan]

She's a woman.

[Clay]

And listen. And listen. And I get it. I get it. Listen. I'm a guy. That. It's easy to kick me down. I could look like I'm crazy, but I feel like, listen, I'm with the shit.

[Evan]

He still got that good manipulator in him.

[Clay]

I'm with the shits. I'm a guy. It ain't even that. What up, though? I'm outside. What's up?

[Rory]

What's in?

[Clay]

I'm in.

[Evan]

Yeah. Okay. So again, I watched this later when. When that classic mall rant when they were filling. Filling me in about everything that was happening. I was kicking your back in as well.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Evan]

But I didn't have any info except what they were telling me. So the last three days, I'm watching the show and the whole time I'm texting the group chat like, clay's not as sick as y'all keep making them out to be. Yeah, kind of.

[Clay]

All right.

[Evan]

There's sicker people on the show then at 2:16am today.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Evan]

When I got to the wedding scene.

[Clay]

That's sick to be watching. Love is recording.

[Evan]

Team group chat. 2:16am Nevermind. Clay is sick. Got to the wedding.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Evan]

I didn't expect that turn to happen the way it did.

[Clay]

I didn't either, man.

[Evan]

Yes, you did.

[Clay]

No, I didn't. Honestly.

[Evan]

You didn't decide on the.

[Mall]

Now, I will say that when I spoke to you in the DMs, you did say, yo, I really was in love with A.D. yeah. And I really thought I was gonna go all the way with it. And then just the last minute, it.

[Clay]

Was like, I got cold feet, man. I got yourself. I got cold feet, man. It wasn't nothing of me trying to disrespect AD I loved AD Man. I think AD Is an amazing person, and I think she's gonna be an amazing wife. I got nothing bad to say about A.D. she. Any guy would be lucky.

[Mall]

She's cool.

[Clay]

She cool as hell, bro. Any guy would be lucky to have AD Bro. It was just a process. It was six weeks of me, and I've been in a show. I think I articulated that I was struggling with the fact of being married this quick. It wasn't about A.D. it was the time.

[Mall]

Could have been anybody.

[Clay]

It could have been anyone. It could be anyone. And I know People like when you. Well, I didn't think I was gonna make it this far. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, when. And I. And I articulated that to AD When I got to the altar, I thought there was a possibility I could marry AD I thought about the possibility. I'm like, yo, we would have a good life. We have a good relationship. You know, at the end of the day, even though I don't feel like I'm ready, let me just say, yeah. Just because I know this is a girl that I could rock with.

[Mall]

It's a good person.

[Clay]

It's a good person. You know what I'm saying? But then it just kind of came down to it, bro. Like, bro, I just feel like if you about to get married, it's my life, I gotta be 100% in. Cause, you know, Lord knows, bro, I got my flaws, bro. And like, I don't wanna disrespect a relationship just because the public or people or. I feel like, you know what? I'm doing this experiment. Let me go ahead and get married. I came to the altar and honestly, it was a conversation that I had with myself. That, bro, I'm just not a guy right now. That's a one woman guy right now. Like, I just. I gotta be honest with myself.

[Mall]

That's you. That's very young to be married.

[Evan]

It was unfair watching the show because I knew. Knew the outcome. But I did think, how. How come no one noticed certain red flags? You were on a Beach in Dr. And ordered hot soup. I was like, red flag. As soon as you. Man, as soon as you finish the soup.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Evan]

You told A.D. like, y'all, I don't really know if this is for me.

[Clay]

That's Ed.

[Evan]

What was in that soup?

[Clay]

That's Ed.

[Evan]

Nobody noticed. His whole energy change after you were like Alicia Keys ordering hot chocolate and fish, like right at the diner. Things when you order weird things.

[Mall]

I will say, though, in that scene, I did feel like you was trying to, like, allude because you kept saying, I don't want to let you down. I don't want to disappoint you. And that's like, guys know what that means. It's like I'm thinking I got shit in my mind where it's like, am I really gonna go all the way with this?

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Mall]

So I feel like in that moment, you definitely was feeling that, but again, you didn't want to. You felt like, you know what? I probably could do this. This probably could work. We probably could go all the way but at the wedding, though.

[Clay]

Yeah. Yeah. 100%.

[Mall]

Like, the family's there.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Mall]

And I respect it. In a crazy way, I respect it because at the end of the day, it's you getting married and it's AD getting married. Not, you know, families could be there and all of that. We know, you know, people flew in. I understand that part of it. But at the end of the day, once that is all over with, you have to be married.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Mall]

It's you and ad's relationship. So if you got up there and felt like, yo, I'm genuinely not sure about this. As sick as it came across on my tv, I gotta respect that.

[Clay]

And I get it, man. And I appreciate. I'm not mad at people who question me going to alter. I question that till this day. I'm like, dang, bro, why did I take it all the way there? Because I did love ad, and I almost felt like I lost a friend because of me making that decision. You know what I'm saying? Cause all, like, I don't ever want to just play ad. She's a great person. You know what I'm saying? And I felt bad watching it back, watching that scene. I'm like, damn, I'm with you. I'm like, damn, I'm sick as hell for making it all the way to the altar. But at that time, bro, you were doing a rally TV show.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Clay]

Every day is heightened, you know what I'm saying? And then also, too, the bachelor scene that we shot was a week before the wedding. They gave us a week off. Now I'm in tech sales. I would tell you, I'm in tech sales. I had to go. I was. I had to close this deal. I was about to give. I was about to get put on a performance plan if I didn't close this $2.2 million deal. So honestly, the first two days, I wasn't even, like, worried about the wedding. I was like, I need to, like, plan for my job, because you know me like, shit, I'm about to be married. I gotta be able to take care of the household. You know what I'm saying? So for two days, I wasn't really thinking about the wedding. I was thinking about closing the deal. And we did close the deal. I got back. I actually seen AD on that Thursday. And ad, you know what I'm saying? She came through. We had a good conversation where I'm like, this is a person I can marry. I really do feel like, though, bro, I didn't get that much support from my. My Side with this whole marriage thing. It's like kind of like if I'm you, my boy, I'm like, yeah, I just met this girl in three weeks, I'm about to get married to her. Most of my most. Most of my most guys are going to be like, bro, you tripping.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Evan]

And that's what I got.

[Clay]

Yeah. And that's what I got on my side.

[Mall]

Oh, I seen the crew. I seen the brunch crew. I see. I seen your boys. I was like, oh, I know what they doing in North Carolina. I know what they.

[Clay]

Most of my friends. Most of my friends is married and got relationships.

[Mall]

Really?

[Clay]

Yes. Oh, okay.

[Mall]

Okay. Those specific gentlemen.

[Clay]

No, no, no. So, so, so, so the one with the hat, that crazy hat he married.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Clay]

The one with the. With the. With the orange beanie. Now that's my dude I'd never be married with.

[Mall]

Only that ever got married with an orange bean, I think was Marvin Gaye. Was Marvin Gaye married Marvin Gaye?

[Rory]

No, he was shot and killed by his father.

[Mall]

Sorry about that. But yeah, and he.

[Evan]

Richard Pryor before that.

[Clay]

What? Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

That was like a huge thing they were gonna get.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Mall]

I don't know about.

[Evan]

I don't want to put smile.

[Mall]

I don't know about that.

[Evan]

Quincy Jones said that. I can say it.

[Rory]

That's like, well known.

[Mall]

Quincy was drunk that night when he said that.

[Evan]

I've been drunk. I've never said somebody, somebody, another dude without evidence. Oh, I've been drunk before.

[Clay]

They have video evidence of Marvin King.

[Mall]

They ain't got that on over. Don't do that. We're not doing that to Marvin Gay.

[Clay]

But no, we ain't doing that at Marvin, bro.

[Mall]

No, we're not doing that.

[Clay]

Rory threw it. I ain't know that.

[Mall]

No, I never heard that one. But back to. How was life post Love Is Blind for you? Cause you said you wasn't really the guy that was outside like that. You've been kind of chill, laid back. Obviously you're an athlete. You said you was outside. You was dating multiple girls. You used to that part of life. What is life like now for Clay Post Love is Blind?

[Clay]

Well, I mean, if you ask me, before this week, it was pretty chill. It was pretty.

[Evan]

This is where the therapy thing wants to come in. Because I appreciated during the show that you said you'd never been in therapy, you weren't getting in therapy. I can appreciate and respect that. I'm sure you definitely needed it after the show because not only was that a fucking traumatic experience, it was on tv. And you have every last person being able to comment on it for sure. How do we land on Selena Powell coming out of that? I'm really not trying to be a dick.

[Clay]

No, no. 100%.

[Evan]

How do you get out of that and try to focus on therapy?

[Mall]

Did she DM me?

[Clay]

She hit me up. So, like, when the end of the show happened, bro, I'm gonna be honest, bro. I wasn't getting a lot of good women reaching out to me.

[Mall]

They were kind of mad at me.

[Clay]

They was mad at me. So, like, Selena, I really was only getting a certain type of women really reaching out to me. You know what I'm saying? Selena. Selena. And I ain't gonna kick Selena.

[Evan]

So you followed God and went to the pure soul?

[Clay]

Nah. Well, here's the thing. That's what I was telling. I was telling Rory before we started filming. You know, I do. I make the right decision 360 days in my life. I'm gonna make five days. I'm gonna have. I'm gonna mess up.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah.

[Clay]

I'm mess up.

[Mall]

And this.

[Evan]

You already extended your five years.

[Clay]

I only met Selena once. I only met Selena once. I only messed up here. This is. This is literally on Friday, I met Selena. That was the first time I ever met Selena. So me and Selena been talking in DMs and like, she cool, bro. Like, I didn't really know too much about her like that. Like, I only saw the Meech thing. You know what I'm saying? So, like, like, like now, Now I wasn't enough, huh?

[Evan]

That wasn't enough.

[Clay]

Well, I didn't really know too much about it. I just saw like, she.

[Rory]

You didn't see the thing about the suns or like, the thing about the Adam 22 thing?

[Clay]

Well, I saw the Adam 22 thing, but I only care, like, I ain't gonna lie to you, but I kind of like promiscuous women. So I really only.

[Rory]

Fuck the Adam 22 thing, the sons thing, when she said she team run a train on her, that was her friend.

[Evan]

I don't think that was her.

[Rory]

That was.

[Evan]

Hey, it was Aziza.

[Clay]

I know chicks that got trained, bro. I ain't tripping.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, I ain't really tripping.

[Clay]

I ain't really tripping.

[Evan]

Aside from that, I'm not here to judge Selena. I think she's entertaining and funny.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Evan]

What?

[Clay]

I didn't pipe though, bro. So, like, we did tiktoks. We did tiktoks, me and Selena. Selena actually is a cool ass person, bro. Like, we was having conversations. We was kind of talking about, like, you know, just like, how to turn everything around. And, like, she was having conversations with me about, like, just the industry and what to expect. Like, she actually came from a perspective of just really just kind of looking out. I went to Belize with another. With another female, actually. So, like, you know, and then, you know, I came back and then I was gonna actually shoot some content with Selena. It was really kind of innocent, bro.

[Evan]

Like, content.

[Clay]

But Clay, tick tock.

[Rory]

You said tick tocks. But, you know, tiktoks, like, the messaging behind a TikTok can be leading. So let's just watch this together and just react.

[Clay]

All right, cool.

[Evan]

I want my eggs cracked. Meaning I want a child shout out to the legend, New York, Meaning I wanna be married. I'm not around with you.

[Clay]

Yes. So that was a funny thing. So Selena definitely is like somebody who wants to be married and wants to have babies. But I'm gonna be honest, bro. Like, I definitely was saying, eh, I ain't your guy for that.

[Mall]

Right?

[Clay]

You know what I'm saying now? But Selena, cooler, she always kind of made those jokes. So we always had those jokes of like, oh, she wants me to be her baby father and all that stuff. But, like, me, I didn't really know the power of Selena and her toxicity. I'm just kind of just talking and like, you know what I mean?

[Mall]

And then got caught up in a storm.

[Clay]

I got caught up in a storm, man. I got caught up in a storm. And like I said, you know, you were being used. Huh?

[Evan]

You do know you were being used, right?

[Clay]

I was being used.

[Evan]

I think she's entertaining. I think she's funny. I've never met her. I get it.

[Clay]

Oh, she got me. But she used you.

[Evan]

She used you?

[Clay]

Yeah, 100%. 100%. But, like, my whole thing is like this, right? Like, in the grand scheme of thing, people think that I am dating her. I'm not. People think that I piped. I didn't. So it's like, what can I really, like? I mean, like, I fucked up with essentially being on scene with her. I think people are mad that I'm close to her. But, like, in terms of what I actually did, a couple tiktoks, bro.

[Rory]

Like, yeah, and I agree with you.

[Evan]

Section wise, you do realize it, like, makes you look more full of shit. Like, to Maul's point before, like, we understand the decision that happened with the show and you were also in a contract. Like, we know what was going on with reality TV.

[Clay]

100%.

[Evan]

I'm sure you wouldn't have made that decision if it wasn't on camera and you weren't in that show of just leaving a girl on the altar, but you had, like, some stain on your name.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Evan]

And then you go right to cuddle with Selena Powell. Do you want to be the villain? Like. Cause you saying that, like.

[Clay]

Nah.

[Mall]

Like, did AD Hit you about that?

[Clay]

Nah. AD Me. AD haven't talked honestly since the wedding episode. So, like, oh, wow. And me AD Was cool before this. I feel like a lot of public perception gets in the way. I'm a real person, bro. Fuck all that shit.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Clay]

I'm a real person, bro. I don't care what the social media is saying. I don't care what people be saying. I live my life is good, bro. I'm happy with my life, bro. I took the phone down yesterday. I was telling them all yesterday. I put my phone down. I was with my coworkers, had a good time in New York, bro. People be getting uproar about certain things, and I get it. And I apologize to putting people in different perspectives. I need to do a better job with understanding what situation I'm in and not being used and understanding what people gain is with being around me. But I'm new to this, bro. I was telling. I'm a normal guy. This is new to me. Selena reached out to me, and it's honestly to me, bro. And I know people like, you an idiot. And I am an idiot. You know, I'm an idiot.

[Evan]

I'm an idiot, too.

[Clay]

But, like, it wasn't nothing that came at me like, where a room full.

[Rory]

Of ladies, by the way, I was.

[Clay]

Gonna get set up. She kind of came at me cool. I was talking to mad women in the industry at that time, period. So I ain't piped Selena. I ain't with Selena. So my whole thing was like, what did I do wrong? I just did some tiktoks. But, like, I get it.

[Mall]

You get what the optics look like.

[Clay]

I get what the optics. I get the optics. And I know she was gonna post like that. I didn't know she was gonna do that. It was supposed to be a ro to a podcast.

[Evan]

You're dealing with a demon.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Evan]

She knew exactly what she was doing.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Evan]

And the perception is who gives a fuck if you or not? You cuddling with her and kissing her coming off the show.

[Clay]

Yeah. It almost stupid.

[Evan]

It's. It's weird getting to know you in the past few hours before we recorded.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Evan]

Did not Strike me as this person, because I thought I was like, oh, he lean. He just want to be the villain. He wants everyone to hate him even more, which is a good move sometimes in PR and perception.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Evan]

Like, all right, everyone hates me because I left a beautiful girl at the altar. She's amazing. Everyone's on her side. Let me lean into this entire thing and go, wife, Selena Power.

[Clay]

Nah.

[Evan]

That's what I looked at it as.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Evan]

What did you think about your mom's message? Was that. Did you see it when we all saw it, you know, what was the conversation?

[Clay]

So my mom. I saw my mom on Tuesday morning, and, you know, like, black women have been kicking my back in, but Black women hold me accountable. And I appreciate black women. You know, I'm saying, like, even with black women kicking my back, I'm mostly getting my back kicking with black women. But it's like, I understand the issues that people have with me. And like I said, I gotta move better. Like, my mom came at me, she pretty much said, like, yo, Clay, like, what are you doing? You're a brand. You have to move better. You can't be associating yourself with certain people. And I 100% get that. And, bro, this is a L. This is a L. Yeah, but listen, I'm good, but I took an L, and I'mma move on from this. I'm going to learn from this. I'm not going to make the same mistake. And it's all good, bro. And, like, that's the thing. My therapist actually talked to me on Tuesday, too. She got in my ass as well. She was like, bro, what are you doing?

[Mall]

Is your therapist a black woman?

[Clay]

Black woman. Black woman. You know what I'm saying? And I got my flaws, bro. Like, I feel like I'm addicted to women. I think sometimes I have addiction to sex and shit like that, to lust and all that stuff. So I'm a. You could catch me slipping in certain perspectives. And what I gotta do is just make sure that, like, I'm speaking to people who got my corner, who got my side and all that stuff. But, yeah, bro, I got caught slipping with this. And it's a L for sure. And. But I ain't do nothing with Selena. And, I mean, so how'd you feel.

[Evan]

That your mom posted this?

[Clay]

She told me she would.

[Rory]

In which part of this do you think, like, which part hurt you the most or, like, made you feel away the most?

[Clay]

It didn't make me feel no way, because we already had the conversation that we had was way More raw than this. Like, she had. Yeah, yeah. She. She. She got him. She. She pretty much was like, she digged on me. I ain't going to kind of talk about what everything she said, but this wasn't really nothing to me. Like, I already kind of had.

[Mall]

This was PC. This is like, yeah, it's pg. Yeah.

[Clay]

So I was like, you know, I heard you, mom. You know what I'm saying? I put the family in a negative light because, you know, a lot of this, bro, I'm not really prepared for sometimes the backlash that's going to come with the decision that I make. Like, somebody leaked my profile. They put me on a Grindr app, and they talking to men, and then they got men coming to my crib.

[Evan]

I did that tomorrow on Tinder, and I did only men.

[Mall]

But I knew. We knew it.

[Clay]

We knew. But, like, bro, I'm not saying, but my sister. But, like, it's. The social media stuff is crazy, bro, because, like, I get it. People don't like me, but people be taking stuff too far, bro. Like, my sisters stay at my crib. I had people who own Grindr profiles coming to my crib trying to find me and shit. I'm just like, bro, what's going on on this crib?

[Mall]

So, because you. Like you said earlier when we were talking, you haven't changed much as a person from who you were before. Love is blind. So now every time you make a mistake now it's so magnified and things are so viral. Everything's like, anytime your name pops up, it's gonna spread quick. So you're trying to get used to that, like, making mistakes. But now your mistakes are spread throughout the Internet. So that's gonna take some time. But as long as you are where you are now, like, you're being honest about it, you're saying, yo, that's an L. She used me for that shit. I recognize that. I understand, but you understand that this is all a learning experience.

[Clay]

It's all a learning experience, bro. And, like, at the end of the day, I'm humble, bro. God could humble me. I'm not above God humbling me. You know what I'm saying? I know you talking about, but spiritual. I go to therapy. Like. Like, I get what everybody's saying about me, but I don't give a damn, bro. I am who I am, bro. Like, know. I mean, I'm a flawed individual, but I'm trying to do the best that I could do. And I'm gonna make some. I'm gonna take some Ls bro. Like, before this show, bro, like, if it wasn't Selena Powell, I could have got caught up with another. You know what I'm saying? Like, I get caught up with horror sometimes, bro. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it happens. It happens, bro.

[Rory]

Did the episode with Selena come out, or is this a podcast that hasn't released yet or what?

[Clay]

We were supposed to. This was supposed to be us. Like, you know what I mean? Like, selling it and stuff like that. You know what I mean? Like, of us kind of, like, not, like, selling it, but, like, us kind of doing. Cause Selena. Me and Selena have been on some conversational piece. She been giving me tips about stuff. So, like, I didn't really think Selena was gonna post this. It kind of just came out of nowhere. But, like, now that I know who she is, it's like, damn, I feel stupid. You know what I'm saying? I feel stupid.

[Mall]

Where you at now with her? Like, are y'all still.

[Clay]

Nah, I've unfollowed her and everything. Like, you know what I mean?

[Mall]

It's over.

[Clay]

It's clip. It's clip. Cause I don't like, disrespect, bro. I'm like, yo. Cause I'm not trying to disrespect nobody, bro. I'm coming at stuff from a peaceful way. Like, yo, if I'm not with you, don't claim that I'm with you. Like, she didn't have conversation with me. Like, you're my baby dad. I'm like, yeah, no, I don't move like that. You know what I mean? I move slow. I told her I crack jokes with her. Selena all the time. Like, you should be on Love is Blind. You fall in love quick, right? You know what I mean? I don't be.

[Mall]

Selena Powell on Love is Blind is actually hilarious.

[Clay]

That would be content. She would be great. That's hilarious.

[Evan]

It should just be her and a bunch of dudes in the pod.

[Clay]

Yeah, it should be. Selena needed somebody. Need to get Selena. She. She. She entertained myself. And Selena got stories, bro. Like, oh, I'm sure it was entertaining talking to Selena.

[Evan]

She was an entertainer for sure.

[Clay]

Entertainer. Like I said, I wasn't thinking of it now. Like, man, it's about to blow up. Or I'm thinking, like, this is a chick. She in the industry. Yeah, I'm hearing the story. It's cool. Like, you know, I mean, I. And then, mind you, I ain't. That's not my girl. You know what I mean? So I didn't think she was Gonna say, my man, my man, my man. We was kind of like, oh, let's do this little TikTok fun stuff. And we were just kind of having fun, and we was gonna roll out, like, you know, some content together, but, well, it worked.

[Evan]

Was that video of her rapping hit him up, like, in the moment. Was that real?

[Clay]

She did hit him up. I don't know.

[Evan]

I didn't triple check it.

[Rory]

Well, so.

[Evan]

So after your mom.

[Rory]

Yeah, after your mom's.

[Evan]

I didn't know if this was from, like, another video, and they just tried to time it.

[Clay]

She crazy, but I don't really take that serious. I just feel like Selena is a good social media person and she has respect. She don't. She. She don't. That's disrespectful. But she. She ain't gonna have that smoke. She don't got that smoke in person, bro.

[Mall]

This is all facade.

[Clay]

It's all facade, bro. That's what I'm saying, bro. Like, I get it, bro. People be getting riled up. I'm an in person guy. What's your energy in person? What you got to say to me in person? Even the people on social media that be talking on that stuff? I remember as a girl, I did a podcast in Atlanta. She had a lot of smoke for me. As soon as I talked to her in person, bro, she like, one of my biggest. Like, not even a fan, but, like, what?

[Evan]

Alexandrea?

[Clay]

Nah, nah, nah. Alexandrea I banged with Alexandra. They were solid. They were solid. But it was another podcast that I did shout out to Alexandrea in Poor Minds, but it was another girl I did a podcast with, and as soon as she saw him, she said, oh, hell nah, not Clay. And as soon as I started talking to her about my reasoning, she on my side, bro. Like, I don't think that I'm coming out. Nobody crazy. I made some wrong decisions, but I could own up to my wrong decisions. This is my perception about how I go about stuff. Sometimes I do to make the wrong decision. Selena Powell was definitely a huge L. Yeah.

[Evan]

And, hey, I live and learn real life. Like, you do realize that she is fully taking advantage of every last bit of attention that you have right now.

[Clay]

Hey, let her do it, man. Like, what is it gonna be? A week of attention and stuff like that.

[Evan]

But, I mean, not to get more on therapy shit. Is that tied into not. I know you didn't fuck her. Yeah, but being addicted to sex, did that not drive you to the show? Did that not drive you to sit with Selena? Who has attention and all that other shit.

[Clay]

So that's two part question. So going to the show, I actually wasn't having sex with women like that. Like, I actually lost a girl that I was talking to for a minute. So when I did the show, unlike some people and women and men on the show, I ain't have nothing going on. So I came on the show with. I ain't have no baggage or no woman that was gonna check me for being on Love is Blonde. You know what I'm saying? With the Selena thing. Yeah, you could say that. I probably was like, you know, curious what the hell it was gonna be like, you know what I'm saying? Like, so you know, like it's all.

[Rory]

Going on over here.

[Clay]

Yeah, yeah, like, like, like I probably was like. I probably thought about that a couple times.

[Mall]

I'm saying, like, you definitely thought.

[Clay]

Yeah, like if a girl enticed me.

[Mall]

She'S a fun time. Selena is a fun time. She seems also.

[Rory]

I'm not gonna lie, if you shoot all this TikTok, all this shit's already out there now you might as well have hit because now it just looks like people aren't going to believe you. No, because he's out there. He's in the gray space now where people aren't going to believe him because he was in bed. Shirley's kissing her in the cheek and all that shit. At this point, you might as well just hit.

[Clay]

That's why I had to. I had a piece up with the girl I went to Belize with that was like a whole toxic situation. So I had to make sure that was right. Ain't no more the Selena thing is over.

[Mall]

Like.

[Clay]

Like the fact that she did that. Don't double that, bro. That I got no. I got no respect for that. So, like, you think maybe you need a break for what?

[Evan]

I had a break just like real dating. Because no one believes with a girl after you were just in doctor trying to get married.

[Clay]

But that was last year, Rory. That was in 2023 of May. That was last year in April. Sorry.

[Mall]

It's not real time.

[Clay]

Not real time, bro.

[Rory]

Like, and just for timeline's sake, when did Love is Blind. When did Love is blind finish shooting?

[Evan]

I feel like you kind of proved my point more because you went right to do content with Selena. I think you might just need a break from all this. I love that you're self aware of saying, like, I may be addicted to sex. Addicted to certain things.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Evan]

I think a break is really needed with everything that's happening and you know.

[Clay]

Rory, I agree with you, bro. I do think that. Here's the thing, though, right? In my perspective, in my perception, I did take a break. I wasn't, like, when the show ended, I wasn't outside, bro. I wasn't having sex with women. So, like, literally, that's why I said.

[Evan]

Clean that up, because they're going to clip that.

[Clay]

I wasn't having sex with women. I wasn't having sex with men either.

[Evan]

I'm just telling you how the Internet works.

[Clay]

Pause, pause, pause.

[Evan]

Just letting you know how the Internet works.

[Rory]

Grindr profile popped up.

[Clay]

It ain't me.

[Rory]

Wait, so just for timeline's sake, when did Love is Blind finish shooting? Because we know it.

[Clay]

I did May 12. May 12 was the wedding.

[Rory]

Oh, but what year?

[Clay]

May 12 of 2023.

[Rory]

2023. Okay, so then you were a teacher. May 23. And then when was Belize?

[Clay]

Belize was May 7. No, sorry. May 6, 2024 to May 10.

[Rory]

Oh, okay. So you had, like. I don't know what you were doing in that in between time, but that's a big gap.

[Mall]

He just said it was a year. I don't know if you heard him.

[Evan]

Yeah, one minus one.

[Rory]

I didn't get the date.

[Clay]

It's all good. Like, I felt like I was chilling, you know, for a minute. I wasn't outside, like, you know what I mean? It wasn't no ties and stuff going on, but like I said, ma, I got five days, bro. Like, I'm f up.

[Mall]

I get it, man. I just, you know, it's just.

[Evan]

It's just one of five with Selena, I guess. I'll take it. Yeah.

[Mall]

Listen, man, life is life.

[Evan]

He was one of those days.

[Clay]

You should see how I was. You should see who I was in Belize with.

[Mall]

I don't want to see who you was in Belize with. I don't. I don't. Clay. I don't want to know.

[Evan]

And it was longer than five days. You're over your limit, by the way, in 2024. Yeah, this five day theory is not.

[Clay]

Nah, I don't count the Belize trip as my bad days. That was.

[Mall]

You had fun in Belize.

[Clay]

I had fun in Belize.

[Mall]

So what's that relationship with you and the young lady you were in Belize with? What is that?

[Clay]

We cool. We cool, man. It was.

[Mall]

But you understand how if you take a girl on a vacation to Belize and spend days on a beautiful island, like you saying we cool, in her mind, she's probably feeling like you're her man.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Mall]

You understand? Like, you can see How a woman would feel like that. I mean, but no matter. Even you can lay it down all you want, like, yo, we just going as friends, have a good time. That shit goes out the window once that water and that sun start hitting.

[Clay]

Yeah, what's that?

[Mall]

It's like. Yeah, it's just a different thing.

[Clay]

That's my toxicity though, bro.

[Evan]

I like when women are like my mom on camera.

[Clay]

They're all with me, you know what I'm saying? Like when I like, like, I like first date vacations, sometimes it may heighten it up, it make it. I don't know.

[Damaris]

Like, that was the first date.

[Clay]

That was the first time I met her. The first time I met her.

[Damaris]

Like, that's first.

[Evan]

When you met her in Belize. Or y'all at least flew together to Belize. Or y'all did separate flights.

[Rory]

Nah, she came, she missed her flight.

[Clay]

She missed her flight. And then y'all both flying out of.

[Mall]

The same city, though?

[Clay]

No, she was flying out of a different city, Louisiana. But. But yeah, we was meeting up with each other and stuff like that. But, like, like I said, I wasn't talking.

[Evan]

I really like. Like this blonde shit.

[Clay]

Who.

[Evan]

You love this blonde shit.

[Rory]

Maybe that's your new addition.

[Clay]

No, no, you landed in a.

[Evan]

You had never met her at all.

[Clay]

We FaceTime. We FaceTime. Yeah, that's.

[Mall]

That's pretty normal these days.

[Clay]

Yeah, it's FaceTime. But I don't know, bro. I have.

[Evan]

I'm wild and that's something, but I.

[Clay]

Could never do that most of my.

[Evan]

The first day.

[Clay]

Most of my relationships in my life have been long distance relationships.

[Evan]

Okay.

[Clay]

I haven't had too many relationships with the girls in my city. So, like.

[Mall]

But why is that, though?

[Clay]

That's something I gotta unpack, bro. I don't know. I think that that's something that I've always had. The women that I fell in love with always been women that are not in my city. And you know, trust me, I want a chick that's in my city.

[Mall]

You lived in Atlanta.

[Clay]

I lived in Atlanta. I lived in Charlotte.

[Mall]

You lived in Charlotte?

[Clay]

Lived in Jersey.

[Mall]

From Jersey.

[Clay]

From Jersey, Yep.

[Mall]

Those are some cities with some pretty, I guess, decent options of women.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Mall]

But you can't seem to find one in your city.

[Clay]

Sometimes, bro, you find one and they don't want you like that. And you take a L where it's like, you know, you fall in love with someone and the situation just don't work out and you gotta bounce back, bro. And then one thing about me, one thing I Don't really be sitting in my. I guess my heartbreak. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you move on, I move on. And that's not healthy either.

[Mall]

Nah, you gotta deal. You gotta learn from it.

[Clay]

You gotta learn from it.

[Mall]

Where did it go wrong? What happened?

[Evan]

That long distance shit keeps you away from having to deal with that shit. This is your lust addiction. You just want to be in a long term relationship where you guys have a weekend and just.

[Mall]

And then you have a blast.

[Evan]

And then they go over there, play. And yeah, it's.

[Clay]

You know, that might be. That might be something that I think in my brain I'll be feeling like, robbie, I'm a lover boy, bro. I do want love, bro.

[Mall]

You only 30 years old, bro. Yeah, that's. That's pretty. That's pretty.

[Evan]

I don't know if I'm a. I'm a lover boy now.

[Clay]

For real though, bro. I'm like, listen, I'm a lot of things, bro. Like, I'm not one thing. Like, I could be a walking contradiction. I could want something, but don't move that way. Like I'm human, bro. You know what I'm saying? Like I said all the time, this is great manipulation.

[Evan]

Crazy as a manipulator. I'm telling you, this is manipulation.

[Mall]

Clay talking us like we wanted his on FaceTime.

[Evan]

Anytime a man sits there, yo, it's a lot of layers to me. I'm not the same person every day.

[Clay]

You are.

[Evan]

You're trying to manipulate me.

[Mall]

Listen, I saw Clay hit a beautiful ad with. It's not you.

[Evan]

You can't.

[Mall]

After saying I can't do this at the altar, I said, yeah, he's on a different level. He unlocked a whole different door.

[Evan]

You like long distance relationships because you don't have to deal with the shit. You're a lover boy for a weekend. Me too. That's the best shit on earth. The best relationships are those fucking two month lust where we are going to get married shit.

[Clay]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Evan]

And then it just ends on a dime. Those are the greatest things. I went through that phase, too. I used to love them. Yeah, I think that's the phase you're in. But you're in denial about it.

[Clay]

I'm not that I'm in denial about it, bro, because I even think I.

[Evan]

Don'T use that too. I think love is blind is very much the people that love those extremely short relationships. Like, I love to be in love for one month. I just love this idea.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Evan]

And I like this person at the height of them Yeah, I don't really want to get to know them. I like their best. I like their best qualities. I want to. I want to do all the fun things with them. I really want to get to. Don't know them. It's not like just some physical. Yeah, I really want to get to know them. But then they just do that from person to person to person to person.

[Mall]

I can't agree. Because people are married on there. People are legit married, pregnant, kids from love is.

[Clay]

I mean, I get it, but I get what you're saying, Rory. I'm not mad at the whole world.

[Mall]

I knew they were gonna last from the second episode.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Mall]

I said, yo, they are. They love each other.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Mall]

They're gonna make it. They're gonna be fine. And I watched the reunion last night, and to see that they're still like. It's like everybody kind of was like, that's. They're in love. And then you see the other couples from other seasons and it's like, oh, people are really finding love here and really buying homes together and having families and kids. Like, so it's a real.

[Evan]

It can work. I'm not saying that can't happen.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Evan]

But I'm saying it is the perfect breeding ground for people like myself at one point that love to have extremely short relationships that are so heightened.

[Clay]

I'm not mad at you.

[Evan]

And it's not even just some fucking shit. Like.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Evan]

To girls that I've dealt with. They wouldn't say bad words about. We really got to know each other. We shared intimate things. Like, it wasn't just some around thing, but it was very quick.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Evan]

It was the. It was a heightened two months where we thought this could be for 10 years. And then I just went on and continued now. Really psychopath.

[Clay]

Now. That's a fact, bro. Like, I don't want to do that, but I definitely got into that pattern. You know what I'm saying? I definitely. 100%. So I'm not. I haven't unpacked that yet. So I don't really have an answer for you on that. Cause that could be true.

[Evan]

Leave me a question. Just a.

[Clay]

That definitely could be true. And I probably need to bring that up to my therapist. That's probably something that I do that's wrong. You know what I'm saying? But, like, I probably do, like, those quick love types type of stuff.

[Evan]

You never have to deal with the negative.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Evan]

Like, you never have to work through things.

[Clay]

That's the first time I ever heard that.

[Evan]

Let me get the best out of this person. They're getting the best of me, too.

[Clay]

Let me find out. Royalty therapist.

[Mall]

Oh, no. He's a manipulator, too. Y'all just manipulating each other.

[Evan]

I just said I was a manipulator.

[Mall]

This is the white part of manipulation. You the nigger part of manipulation, yo. But the.

[Evan]

The part of my therapist manipulates me, absolutely.

[Mall]

The part of the. The. The love is blind.

[Evan]

When she tried to tell me I was abandoned on Tuesday, I was like, what? Fuck, you're right.

[Mall]

When you had the pool party.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Was there any. Was there anybody that you saw at the pool party where you was like, damn, like. Cause obviously, like, you said, you a guy that you date and, you know, you kick it with multiple women. Was there any other women on the show that you looked at and you was like, damn, she kind of bad. Like, maybe I should have kind of got some time in the pod with her.

[Clay]

Nah, I would say, because me and AD Had a really good vibe, bro. Like, from the conversation to the physical to, you know, just our rapport, bro. Like, I never really looked at any other woman on the other side and was like, dang, I wish I had that shot with her. I felt like I kind of got, like, in my opinion, the best version of what I could have got out of the show. You know what I'm saying, With AD Cause, you know what I'm saying? Like, in terms of our conversation and who we are as a people, bro, I don't think I would have got that with anybody else. You know what I mean? Like, you know, I mean, I'll be shooting shit, AD Shooting shit. We was popping Azul in there. We was, you know, she was twerking in the pods. I'm like, you know, we talking all crazy shit. I don't think I would have been able to do that anybody else, so. Nah, I definitely wasn't.

[Mall]

Is there anything that y'all asked or y'all spoke about in the pods that they didn't air that you wish they did?

[Clay]

Nah, ain't nothing I wish they had. Ain't that. I wish they it. We were talking sex in there. Yeah, Sex in there. Hell, yeah.

[Mall]

In the pod.

[Clay]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mall]

Like, through the wall.

[Clay]

Through the wall, bro.

[Evan]

Pod sex is crazy.

[Clay]

Pod sex is crazy. I'm a horny nigga, bro.

[Mall]

Oh, we know that. I don't know if you know what we know. I know, like, you third. That's why when you say you 30, I'm like, I get it, man. You 30. You having fun, man. You just out here, like, you just having fun. And I understand it now that I kind of, you know, have had a chance to kick it with you and, like, on a real level, away from the cameras and the mics, obviously. Like, I understand. I'm like, oh, I know. I know, Clay. I know. I grew up with 40 niggas like that. I get it. I understand. It's just that you're doing it in front of the whole world on one of the biggest platforms in Netflix. Like, that's where it's happening for you.

[Clay]

And that there's responsibility in that. And I would say I haven't been doing the best job with the. I actually was before, you know, this whole debacle came. But, bro, I gotta clean up. I gotta check myself. I gotta move better. I've been moving, been a little sloppy. And trust me, bro, everybody cracking jokes with me, even the women coming at me, they all listen. I. I accept everything that everybody's saying, bro, because this was a sloppy moment. But listen, I'm human and I'm gonna get better, bro.

[Mall]

Like, I mean, like, they can't blame you. They can't blame you for being who you are.

[Clay]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Damaris]

So I did. I did wanna address that. How you say that the women kick your back in, and you said that you've went to podcast and women that were previously kicking your back in, they showed support to you.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Do you realize that when you went on tv, you opened yourself up to being a character? People don't see you as a. As a real person. That's not right. But they're watching a show and you are a character on that show. They do not know you. They can only go off of what you show them on that TV show.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

So do you want to go back to being a regular person who people can't give their opinion on you because it seems like you want people to know you, the people that you have conversations with, to know you for who you really are. And you want to just be accepted as a normal person. But then you do link ups with Selena Powell. Even if you didn't know exactly what she was into, you knew that she was an entertainer and you created content with her, which shows that I would assume that you want to continue to be in the content world. Correct.

[Clay]

I mean, I do content with people who are not Selena Powell. Like, you know, like, I guess for me, I'm comfortable. I still have my regular life. So, like, when people come at me and say, like, you're a character, that's fine. Like, I could be a character on a show. I decided to go on Netflix to be seen for the whole world to see me. But that doesn't take away with my real life, my foundation, my family. I have my mom, my dad. I talk to them. I have friends that really look out for me and that care about me. That, like, even they upset they checked me. It was like, yo, Clay, yo, I feel what you did, but, yo, you moving a little sloppy. Respect. I gotta move differently. But, like, I don't really care. I care what people think. But it's like, I can't really take on everybody's opinion. Cause some people don't like me already from the whole ad thing. Like, they already didn't like me, so now they're like, oh, I validated. He likes white women. And it's like, I never took a white woman to my mom a day in my life, bro. I've always dated black women. You know what I'm saying? Now, I did the content with Selena, and it was fun. And I think Selena's a cool person. I'm not even telling black men not to date white women. I say, date who you love. Know what I'm saying? But, you know, at the end of the day. At the end of the day, you know, I'm gonna make mistakes in the grand scheme of things. I'm gonna do what I gotta do. But, you know, I can't really. I can't really muscle everybody's opinion about me, because then I'm gonna be trying to fight, and I'm gonna be trying to talk and, like, articulate myself so I could address this opinion about my, like, nah, fuck that shit, bro. Like, I am who I am. I got my people, and I like my life that I live, bro. Like, I go back when the whole social media stuff happened, you know what I do? I turn my phone down, I go to my work, my job. I got like, four to five meetings a day. I gotta handle that. I gotta go do my water rental business. I rent out jet skis, I rent out boats. Life move on. I'm telling these people. Sometimes y'all gotta mind y'all business.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Clay]

Now, I'm gonna take some Ls, but sometimes. Yeah, but, like, I get it.

[Evan]

You can't tell. You can't tell people to do that.

[Clay]

You can't. I can't tell people to do that. But my mentality is.

[Evan]

Cause you signed up. Listen, we're in the same boat, too.

[Clay]

100%. 100%.

[Evan]

If I do some shit and it's in the public, I can't tell.

[Clay]

People have the right business to check me too, bro. People. And I'm not telling nobody not to check me. I just would say check me in a respectful way. Cause if you check me on some disrespectful stuff, I'm not gonna receive it the way you think I am. Cause I am good. I have a strong foundation. My mom is a strong black woman. My dad is a strong. Regardless of what people think, my dad's a strong man. My friends. I have friends that are married. I have black women in my life that I love. Black women. They hold me down. Even though I feel like when I go in Shade Room, I'm getting my back kicked in. On the other side of it, there's black women that's holding me up and uplifting me. I never would disresp. And I gotta move better in respect to what some of those women are saying. Cause I respect everybody, what they're doing. But at the end of the day, I can't play Superman to everybody. I can't. I'm not a perfect guy. I'm a flawed individual. I'm never trying to act like I'm a perfect guy. And I get it. I signed up for a TV show, and people are watching me on the limelight. But at the end of the day, you go and make some mistakes. And my shit is just heightened. And I got to take my L and get better with it.

[Rory]

I think when you get to that phase, because you're right, because I. And I said this even before you came on here and we were discussing the show before everyone else even finished it. I. You are a good person. And I think the foundation is there mentally. And you want to grow. You said you had you. I think you grew a lot in the show, which I think is a whole nother conversation. Pause. But I. I do want to say, like, I think when you get to the point, Selena Powell aside, like, those moments happen. And I think if you kind of either keep them in the dark, not, like hide them, you know, I mean, but like, just not just. They're not a public perception or like, notably known thing. And you just kind of move how you want to be perceived. Like, just be the person that, you know, that we. That we know you are. And like, other people that are close to you know that you are. And then I think once that kind of catches, like the storm of celebrity will kind of change the tide because it's. You're all. You're gonna be battling an uphill Battle, because your biggest moment of exposure is obviously leaving someone at the altar. So you're always going to be looked at from that guy's first, and then it's just a matter of, okay, what can Clay do from here? To be put in a position where the people that look at him negatively now see him as the person that you've always known that you are, and the people that are close to you.

[Clay]

Know that you are a hundred percent. And, Julian, I will say this to you, bro. Like, even when I do positive stuff, which I've been doing at this show, that doesn't get the attention, like, negative stuff, people thrive off of negativity. So the negativity stuff, like, I've been doing all good stuff before, like, after Love is Blind, I ain't never kicked AD in the back. I've always said good things about her. I moved in a good light. I put money in my mom's pocket. I've done my stuff. I'm about to get a G wagon as a jet car. I'm about to have. My business is flourishing. I'm doing a lot of things that's good. The media don't pick up that stuff. They gonna pick up me with Selena Powell. They're gonna pick up me saying no to AD at the altar. They feed off of trauma.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Clay]

So only thing I'm saying is that, bro, I can move in the light that I am, but I'm gonna be transparent in every step that I go about things. Like, if I make mistake, and I'm trying my best not to make mistakes, but I'm a bro. Like, if you a man of God or whatever, we are flawed individuals from the jump, so my flaws are gonna be heightened more. And like I told you, Rory, like, I do have a lust issue. I do have a woman issue where I articulate that. Even on a show where, you know, before the show, I've always kind of talked to multiple women. And although I do want to be married, which is why I went on a show, because I wanted to get me, myself in a perspective where I didn't have those factors. And when I was doing a show, I never even talked to any woman. It was all A.D. it was just more so of me doubting the step that I'm about to go towards. Like, am I really a one man woman? You know what I'm saying? And truthfully, that's something I still struggle with to this day. And that's why I actually went to therapy. So, you know, even though I did this, l. Even though I took this L with Selena. These are stuff that I'm working on so I don't have to suffer from the same issues. You know what I'm saying?

[Mall]

I watched the reunion episode last night, and it reminded me of how I thought you were the sickest one. But his name is Johnny with Elizabeth. Is that her name? Megan Fox.

[Clay]

Oh. Oh, Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy. Yeah.

[Mall]

He's the sickest one.

[Clay]

Why you think Jimmy's sick?

[Mall]

Because he. As soon as she said, people tell me I look like Megan Fox, he was like, I think I love you. Like, he just went right. He went right to love, like, immediately. And I laugh. Cause I'm like, if I'm in a pod and I can't see the girl on the other side of the wall, and she says, yo. My friends say I look like Megan Fox. I might fall in love, too. Right then and there. It's like, Megan Fox. Like, okay, I know what she looks like. I think I love you. So then seeing him on the reunion show and he was talking to Jessica, it was like, oh, this dude is the sick. He's the sickest dude. It's not you. You were sick because you let it go all the way.

[Clay]

Yeah. Too far.

[Mall]

But I could tell that you really had feelings for AD but him, it was just the Megan Fox thing. Like, he jumped all the way in once you said that.

[Evan]

That's why you think he was the.

[Clay]

Sickest where you are.

[Evan]

I said in our group chat while I was watching the last three days, y'all have clay fucked up. Jimmy is by far the sickest human being. I think he's a serial killer. Like, I'm surprised he didn't bury bodies in doctor on that cast.

[Mall]

No, the serial killer is. Who's Olga? The big dude that came out by himself. What's his name?

[Evan]

Oh, the one that didn't. They brought him back.

[Mall]

Yeah. Trevor, he's a serial killer.

[Clay]

Nah, nah.

[Evan]

He seemed cool.

[Rory]

He was so nice. I liked him.

[Evan]

He actually seemed like a.

[Mall]

Serial killers are cool.

[Clay]

Really?

[Mall]

You don't know? A serial killer is not cool.

[Clay]

Jeffrey Dahmer didn't look like he was cool.

[Mall]

He was cool. That's why all the guys liked him. He was the cool guy at the bar. He was buying drinks for everybody. They was like, yo, yeah, he's a cool.

[Clay]

Look at that.

[Mall]

That's a serial killer right there. If he shaves that mullet off and goes straight bald.

[Clay]

Nah, Trevor. Trevor. Ma, I'm telling you, Trevor. You go out with Trevor, bro. Trevor hold his own. I done been out with Trevor. He hold his own. Yeah, Any spot.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Clay]

Any spot. I didn't been out to shits with Trevor.

[Evan]

Don't Trevor rock on any block?

[Mall]

No, but he.

[Clay]

Trevor don't care.

[Mall]

But even what he had on.

[Clay]

Listen, I'm gonna say this. With Trevor, bro. Trevor Netflix shot made Trevor look like he was a golden boy. Trevor. Trevor's in the pods telling me, yo, Clay, yo, I just got dropped off by a girl. Before I got here, I said, yo, yo, you crazy, Trevor. Me and him. Me and him was having those conversations. So I think Netflix put him in his golden boy light. Trevor ain't no golden boy, but Trevor. Trevor outside.

[Evan]

Yeah, you can tell by that polo they put on him. They tried to make him look like the golden boy.

[Mall]

Yeah, I think he walked out with khaki. That was cute.

[Evan]

He just works at State Farm.

[Mall]

Yeah, I thought he was.

[Clay]

He don't be dressing like that. I'm Trevor. His corporate dressing is. Is weird to me because when he dressed, when he, like, ready to go out. Yeah, like, okay. Trevor got some on, bro.

[Evan]

He looks like he had vintage Ed Hardy in his closet right now.

[Rory]

Yeah, this is how they clean him up.

[Clay]

Facts.

[Mall]

That's not serial killer couture right there.

[Rory]

They clean him up. They clean them up. Kind of crazy for the show.

[Mall]

I know those.

[Clay]

That's Trevor doing. That's whoever killed Nicole.

[Evan]

Jeffrey Dahmer. She.

[Clay]

That Trevor closet right there did it to him. Trevor is sick, but Trevor funny, though, bro. Yeah.

[Mall]

He said that he was in a full. They said he was in a full relationship when he went on the show.

[Clay]

Nah, I don't think he was on a full blown relationship.

[Mall]

He was texting a girl, Clay. Like, I love you. Yeah, I just got out of the pod. Like, he's texting a girl the whole time.

[Evan]

Yeah, but he got his daily fee that day when he showed up to that barbecue.

[Mall]

His daily fee.

[Evan]

But he just got his rate. This girl should understand.

[Clay]

But more on some real stuff, though. When Love is Blonde, they contacted me. October. I want to say October 2022. Yeah, 2022. Like, you have, like, maybe one conversation with them a month, and they always tell you you're not officially a cast member. So, I mean, come on, bro. Like, you, bro, just put any guy in perspective. You think that if somebody tell you not officially, you ain't get this job, what you gonna do? Not interview other jobs.

[Mall]

You're still living. Yeah.

[Clay]

You're still living. So, like, I never really judged Trevor for some of the stuff. Now he was dirty Macking, for sure. He was definitely telling his woman that. Yo, like, I love you and all that stuff. I don't never. But he was saying what he had to say. Cause he wanted to be on Love is Blonde, bro. He wanted to be on the show. He wanted that. And, you know, I don't really judge. I just think that his shit just got outed, bro. I don't think he did anything another man wouldn't do, bro, like, you getting selected for a show. You probably got another woman on the other side. But, like, you ain't about to marry this chick. You know, you gotta do what you gotta do. You know what I'm saying? I mean, I get it. The women gonna hate Trevor.

[Evan]

You think?

[Mall]

Oh, they hate him.

[Clay]

They hate him.

[Evan]

You think Jimmy was dirty macking you? A little bit.

[Mall]

Jimmy was all over AD when y'all did that first party at the beach that night. Oh, they was all over AD Them white boys was going crazy.

[Evan]

He did the nastiest version of Dirty Mac.

[Clay]

What'd he do?

[Evan]

Tell me he tried to big you up in a condescending way while hitting on your girl. He didn't just straight up Dirty Mac. He tried to mask it like he was bigging you up. He's the sickest human being I've ever seen on reality tv.

[Mall]

Yeah, he wanted some of that chocolate.

[Clay]

He did.

[Mall]

He definitely did.

[Clay]

And I'm not mad at him. I'm an AD I mean, who wouldn't want that chocolate? Mall, you want that chocolate, bro? I saw you put money bags on that comment, boy.

[Evan]

Did you put money bags under A.D. hey, hey, hey, hey.

[Clay]

Julian, Julian, bro. Julian. Mall hit me up. Maul hit me up. Ma's like. Like, Ma was like, yo, bro, talking to me, giving me my friend. I'm like, okay, Ma. My guy. It broke my heart, bro. Yeah, Dirty man put money back, people like, 15.

[Evan]

No, you are nasty.

[Mall]

It's all in the name of support.

[Rory]

Nah, that's crazy.

[Damaris]

Why you didn't put money bags under his pictures then?

[Mall]

Who?

[Damaris]

Him?

[Mall]

Clay? No, we. We kicked it. Like, we kicked it for real, like in a dm. Like, I kicked it with Clay, and I let him know, like, yo, fam, you sick, but I get it. But AD it was like, damn, man. She just got left at the altar. It was like, damn, Let me give her some show, some love, some bags. AD Listen, you gonna be beautiful. You seem like you cool. You gonna be. I.

[Evan]

Therapy. He needs therapy. No, but you have a lust addiction.

[Mall]

No, I didn't.

[Evan]

But I didn't now that I think about it, your money bags are a lust addiction.

[Mall]

No, I didn't try to kick it like, I wasn't trying to kick it to a. I was just letting her know. Like, yo, listen Queen, that's what you.

[Evan]

Let her know with an emoji.

[Mall]

We see you, we see you, we support you. Black men still love you. Like, don't.

[Clay]

Don't let Clay.

[Mall]

Don't let Clay break your heart. Too bad.

[Evan]

You dirty macking right now.

[Mall]

No, I was trying to keep up from going because you know when they go through like that she could go and start with the Jeremy's of the world. We don't want to lose her to the Jeremy's of the world. We don't want her to go to.

[Evan]

No, everyone knows when you go through a traumatic experience, an emoji can really clean that up.

[Mall]

Yeah, man, everyone.

[Evan]

Everyone knows.

[Rory]

That'll level her out.

[Mall]

Yeah, I was just showing love and support. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Clay]

It broke my heart. It broke my heart. Like I said, man, I, you know, I knew Ma for a minute, bro. I'll be watching them all. They had like Marlin in my ex fiance comments.

[Mall]

Yo, you left at the altar, bro. I'm just showing support. Like, yo, listen, pardon Clay, but here's some money bags for your day. Like, you know what I'm saying? That's all it was. That's just love and support for A.D.

[Clay]

Shout out to A.D. man.

[Mall]

Shout out to A. D. Man.

[Evan]

Two part question for both of you. One and one. How are you going to feel when A.D. pops up with someone else and looks happy? As question number one, since you put money bags under. We all know AD Is a very attractive woman.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Evan]

Also seems very cool from what we saw on the show. Yeah, I see you dirty mackin. Now. How would you go on a date.

[Mall]

With A.D. would I go on a date with A.D. yeah. Not Ma.

[Rory]

Leave her alone.

[Damaris]

If a nigga repeats your question, a.

[Evan]

Just pause and was like.

[Clay]

I would say. I would say should go on. If AD asked to go on date with MA. MA, you 100% should take that date.

[Mall]

With AD I would if it wasn't the situation like it is.

[Clay]

Like if it wasn't like now you know me.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Like you might. It's like, nah, nah, that doesn't matter. But it's different. I can't.

[Evan]

What world are we living in?

[Mall]

No, no. But I can't. I would, I wouldn't do that.

[Clay]

Only because it would seeming.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Like it would only seem like an entertainer like you.

[Mall]

It would only seem like it's coming off of some other shit. It wouldn't seem like it's some genuine. Like, it would just seem like it's premeditated. It would seem like it's like.

[Evan]

Like Clay sent you.

[Rory]

We're not saying. We're not saying post about it. We're just saying, would you go on a date? That's all we're saying.

[Mall]

Yes, I would.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Thank you.

[Clay]

I would respect you.

[Mall]

I would take AD out on a date.

[Clay]

And to answer your question, Rory, I would not feel no type of way, bro. At the end of the day, I said at the altar, it's the most embarrassing thing. And I feel. And I feel for AD for that. So AD could do anything she want. Is no issue what she does, bro.

[Evan]

You are giving me the right answer. That's correct.

[Clay]

Yeah, but I would have.

[Evan]

You're a human being.

[Clay]

I'm a human being, bro. Like, I really.

[Evan]

I got exes that I want to see.

[Mall]

Are you mad?

[Evan]

Doesn't mean you're not gonna feel away.

[Mall]

Are you mad that y'all not.

[Clay]

I think me and AD Will be friends eventually, bro. I don't think that the. What? I think that because me and AD Were talking when the show came out, we'd stop talking when the wedding episode dropped. And I think that that was when the most backlash cave. I don't think that me. AD's riff is a real riff. I think it's a social media riff. I haven't seen A.D. i don't think. Every time I'm around A.D. we laugh it up. We have a great time, bro. So if I see AD Do I think we're gonna have a awkward thing? I'm gonna come up. If I see A.D. i'll walk up to A.D. i'll talk to A.D. what.

[Evan]

If she was on a date?

[Clay]

I don't give a damn, bro. Like, I just.

[Rory]

You gotta pay the check. That's Maul's move.

[Evan]

But you gonna pull up.

[Clay]

I'll see where mall. Like Maul. Yeah, but that's.

[Mall]

But that's. Only if it's. If y'all really friends and cool like that. Only if y'all. Only if y'all cool. If you're still. We cool.

[Evan]

But, like, this whole scenario is hilarious.

[Clay]

It's been like, listen, bro. Like. Like, I've been outside, bro. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I understand, bro. Like, I'm not. Although you could feel some type of way, bro. If I say no to a woman, bro.

[Evan]

A lot right now.

[Clay]

Huh?

[Evan]

You're Saying, bro, a lot right now. I feel like you're not telling the truth.

[Clay]

No, I'm on some. No on real shit. If I lose a girl, but it's my own doing. I cannot dictate how she moves. Yeah, it just. It just. I can't do that, bro. I just can't. If I said no to her at the altar and she went on a date with you, bro, and you felt like that was your. A chick that you could. It was. It was. It was right for you. I'm not a hater, bro. I would step on your way, bro, like, because at the end of the day, I talk to multiple women. I understand that. I've been in that position too, where. You know what I'm saying? Where. Damn. Like, you one of. Not one of my mans, but, like, associate that I had dealt with a chick and, you know, it didn't work out, but, like, she kind of highlighted me and I had a little more poor. I'm like, ah, I'm not gonna do that. But it's like I had that feeling like I fuck with her. You know what I'm saying?

[Mall]

You knew she was cool.

[Clay]

I know she's cool, you know what I'm saying? So ad's a cool chick where anybody. I wouldn't. Anybody go on date with her, they'll have a good time. So I'm not gonna. And I said no to ad, like. And AD has all right to move on from me and do what she gotta do.

[Evan]

Of course she does. But are you gonna feel away? Because I think we're similar and I'm not here to judge you.

[Clay]

It's been a year.

[Evan]

I've seen plenty of times where she has every right to move on. I did some shit, whatever. But you're gonna feel away. If you had a connection with somebody, you're gonna feel some type of way. And it may make you, like, regret a little bit more when she looked mad happy and you sitting here like, nah, I could have done that.

[Clay]

Nah, nah.

[Mall]

Like, if you're doing tick tocks with Selena and she's happy, look, she's in. She's in Positano having lunch with some attractive guy. Like, yeah, you gotta kind of look like.

[Evan]

Like with a financial portfolio. I don't even know what that is.

[Clay]

I wish, bro. I really wish. I really wish I could. I really wish I could play this game, bro, but, like, I really don't have. No, I'm not a hater, bro. Like, I'm not a hater, bro.

[Evan]

That's not hating it's just being human. You're.

[Clay]

Nah, you have the right understanders.

[Damaris]

They don't understand. Cause they're haters.

[Evan]

Yeah, they can understand his perspective. I agree with. And I would say the exact same thing.

[Mall]

Thing.

[Evan]

If I up and hater. Go ahead and be happy. I want you to be happy. Yeah, but I'm also a human being. Like I might feel a way like.

[Mall]

I understand what you're saying.

[Evan]

She beat me to happiness.

[Mall]

But you do have to kind of.

[Rory]

That's hate.

[Mall]

You do have to kind of look hating myself. That was. That was your fiance.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Mall]

So naturally, if you do see her now in her next relationship. Not saying you would be upset. Yeah, but there has to be some type of feeling like, damn, I. Like I let a good one get. Get by me.

[Clay]

So I feel like I already kind of went through that situation. I got pressed by one of her ex boyfriends when we was in a club in Charlotte. So I already kind of went through.

[Mall]

Wait, what you mean he pressed you? We could go see that.

[Clay]

Yeah, yeah. Nah, fast. Yeah. Trust me, bro. And I go out. I got my niggas with me. Trust me.

[Evan]

That's a carry state too, right?

[Clay]

Say it again.

[Evan]

That's an open carry state.

[Clay]

Like open carry, Open carry, open carry. You got a gap.

[Evan]

You just have it on you 100%.

[Clay]

But I ain't had a gat with me and it's always at the crib. Cause I got the permit. I don't got the license to carry. I gotta get the license to carry.

[Mall]

Gotta get the.

[Clay]

I got the permit though. So I got the shits at the crib.

[Mall]

So.

[Clay]

But I went to this club with my homeboy and her ex boyfriend who, you know, still engaged with her. He came up and was like, yeah, you know, I'm talking to, you know, AD So I really felt like I already had that awkward exchange where like another guy is still with AD And I would tell you I didn't have. Like my whole thing was like, bro, I don't give a bro. Like, bro.

[Evan]

Like in the timeline, where is this?

[Clay]

This was in. This is around her birthday. So this is around November of 2023. 2023. We were still cool. Still completely with AD after too. Yeah.

[Mall]

So they're together now? They're still together.

[Clay]

I don't know. I haven't talked to A.D. okay. Me and A.D. haven't had a conversation since. Honestly since the wedding episode. So I don't know who shooting what.

[Evan]

Was his whole point.

[Clay]

He was mad at. I don't know, bro. Like, I almost want to tell the guy, like, bro. Like, I said, no, bro, you won. Yeah.

[Evan]

What are you upset about?

[Clay]

But he was mad, Ma. He was mad, bro. I saw the way he came at me, bro. He walked up on me and I ain't even seen it because he's an older gentleman.

[Mall]

What is he mad about? He mad that you left her at the altar?

[Clay]

I don't know. I gotta have that one on one conversation. And if you've seen this bra, you know, I definitely would still be open to have that combo. I gotta understand where you.

[Mall]

Yeah, I wanna know what.

[Clay]

I really wanna know what he was talking about.

[Evan]

So he was with her before.

[Clay]

So I pulled up on AD it was her birthday. She had a section.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Clay]

So, you know, I pulled.

[Mall]

You bold, bro. You went to her birthday?

[Clay]

She invited me.

[Mall]

Oh, okay, then. All right, say no more.

[Clay]

She invited me. I gave her a gift. I gave AD A gift and everything. Like me. Like I said, like, me and AD Is cool. Like, you know what I'm saying? Before all this social media and everybody telling her that I'm a red flag. Like, we was good.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Clay]

You know what I'm saying?

[Damaris]

In five years, when you're ready to get married, or however long, when you're ready to get married, if AD Is single, would you marry her in five years?

[Clay]

Me and A.D. had that rapport and conversation. I could. A.D. me and A.D. have a good rapport. I could marry A.D. 100%.

[Evan]

That's all it takes.

[Clay]

Just rapport. Just a rapport, rapport. I think of morals and shit like that. Like, we had good sex, bro. Like, I don't know what to tell you, bro.

[Evan]

Adam figured out I'm asking a question.

[Mall]

No, but I feel like just weren't ready.

[Clay]

I just wasn't ready at that time, bro. Like, I just wasn't ready at the time.

[Mall]

But if, like Damaris said, in five years.

[Clay]

Yeah, if I was ready.

[Mall]

If you're ready and AD Is still sick single.

[Clay]

Yeah. Would I spend a block?

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Clay]

Yeah. I mean, sure.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah.

[Evan]

No, don't spend a block.

[Damaris]

Don't spend a block. Don't let him. If AD Is listening this. Don't let him. If a. If you ask somebody, would they spend a block, they'd be like, but the.

[Clay]

Reason why I say roads under construction. You're coming from a context of, like, I said, I'm not understanding. Like, AD AD doesn't, like, AD Cut me off. AD Cut me off. She didn't want to have conversation with me and stuff like that. Me AD Were solid. Like, I'm talking about the show coming out. She telling me shit that's going on. Like, me and AD Was having conversations, stuff like that.

[Mall]

After everything is already filmed.

[Clay]

After everything is filmed. Like, I'm talking about. This is January of 2024, February 2024. It wasn't until March 13, when the episode dropped me. Ad stopped having conversations. Cause of, you know, the wedding scene.

[Rory]

And it was like a hard.

[Clay]

It was a hard. It was a hard drop, bro.

[Mall]

I had to relive that moment.

[Clay]

She relived that moment, but not only that.

[Rory]

She relived it with public opinion.

[Clay]

She ex. That's the main thing. Cause we actually did the reunion episode, and she saw we kicked it at the reunion.

[Mall]

The reunion was before the wedding episode.

[Clay]

Well, in terms of us filming before the wedding episode. But, like, good vibes, bro.

[Mall]

Cause I watched it last night, and the energy at the reunion, y'all seemed like y'all was still good. Cool. Like, when you were explaining yourself and you got a little emotional, AD Started getting emotional and she kind of gave you some support.

[Clay]

We went to a restaurant after that. We got some drinks and had some good time. We had a good time, bro.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Damn.

[Mall]

But it was after the wedding episode aired.

[Clay]

Public perception.

[Mall]

Public perception. People in her ear. Yeah, he made you look stupid.

[Clay]

Yes.

[Mall]

And then she probably decided, like, yeah, I need to cut that off.

[Clay]

So when I. When I come back, when I'll answer your question, like, it's. I can't answer. Like, yo, in five years, it'd be good. We gotta have. I'm a real person. AD Me, AD Gotta have that convo one on one. Because there's still. I don't understand why we're not even cool. You know what I'm saying? So, like. Like, when I didn't mean to be disrespectful with answering your question, I almost want to say, like, me and AD haven't talked. We haven't had that. I don't understand why we're not cool. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I didn't feel like I never kicked her back then. Nothing like that. But I get the public perception could wait on her, but you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know.

[Mall]

We don't have to follow each other on Instagram.

[Clay]

Nah, we don't follow each other. She unfollowed me, you know?

[Evan]

But you can understand somebody after that hits Netflix wanting to separate from it completely, including you.

[Clay]

I don't know. I don't respect that. Because she Knows I said no to her and we kicked it. We done hung out.

[Evan]

But not to be corny, people need to choose things for themselves, get away from this. It includes you, too. Like, I can't be around you.

[Mall]

No, but I think what Clay is saying, and correct me if I'm wrong, I think he's saying him and AD really had real conversations away from the show. They spent real time together away from the show. After everything was done, he obviously, he changed his mind at the altar. So Clay sounds like he felt like, damn, yes, we didn't get married, but we still have a friendship. We still have a relationship with each other where we're communicating. We even hang out from time to time. So after the wedding episode aired, for it to just be a hard cut, it kind of of sounds like it caught Clay off guard. Cause it's like, yo, but you. We already knew what happened. Like, now that it aired to the world and people in your comments and, you know, friends in your life or in your ear and texting you and things like that, it's like, fuck, all the times we had after that where we had good times. Dinner, came to the lake, on the jet skis, on the boats, whatever. Like, having a good time. Like, fuck all of that. That's over with because March 13th, the episode aired.

[Clay]

Yeah, okay.

[Evan]

The same. Same. Even though we made Selena Powell jokes, the same grace I do give Clay of having to deal with fame or attention instantly when it hits Netflix is a tough thing to navigate.

[Clay]

Yeah, it is.

[Evan]

Like, I. I grace for that. For that. So if her strategy when that whole shit happened, when she felt extremely embarrassed was, it's different. Like, it's way different now. I need to cut this out of my life, because I've never. I'm a regular person. I've never had this type of attention. On top of that, he's a reminder of all the I'm getting right now. This cutting it. I don't owe you an explanation.

[Mall]

You know what it is? You know what? It sounds like this. It sounds like AD's in a relationship, and.

[Clay]

And that's fine.

[Evan]

I was going to ask if homie was at the reunion, who the.

[Clay]

The one that.

[Evan]

Yeah.

[Clay]

Nah, nah. Come on, bro.

[Damaris]

When was the reunion taped?

[Mall]

It was last year, though.

[Clay]

Nah, it was this year. Oh, it was this year. It was sometime in March, I want to say, like. Like around, like, the March 14 time period, something like that.

[Damaris]

So y'all were kicking it for like, a year after.

[Clay]

Yeah, 100%.

[Damaris]

After the end of.

[Clay]

Okay, 100%. We.

[Evan]

So y'all filmed a different.

[Mall]

When it airs, though, y'all filmed a reunion after the wedding episode aired?

[Clay]

The wedding episode happened in May 12th of 2023. The reunion happened in 2024.

[Mall]

But when did. When did it air?

[Clay]

When did the wedding episode aired? On March 6th or 13th? I can't remember. I can't remember if the 13th was the reunion or the wedding episode. But. But around that time period. The 6th. The reunion was either. 13th. I think it was. I think the reunion was, like, the 13th. Yeah.

[Mall]

Filmed.

[Clay]

Filmed. Okay, well, I know not filmed. Aired.

[Evan]

Aired. Okay.

[Clay]

It was filmed. It was filmed on, like, February. Like, the end of February.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

Okay. So not that. Okay.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Rory]

What happened to the rings?

[Clay]

The rings? I don't know. I ain't. It ain't like I paid money for this.

[Mall]

That I don't care where that I assume the.

[Evan]

All. Just because it's a show that they just gave fake rings.

[Clay]

We picked rings.

[Rory]

It wouldn't be fake.

[Evan]

Then eventually, those houses that they put.

[Mall]

Y'All in after y'all came from. From Dr. Did, were all of those houses in the same proximity to the other people?

[Clay]

Yeah, they were.

[Mall]

They're like the same communities.

[Clay]

Yep.

[Damaris]

So y'all were on a, like, a dorm type situation.

[Mall]

I guess it looked like one of those communities where it's, like, different units.

[Clay]

It was a newer community development.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Clay]

Like, I know. I remember, like, Johnny and Amy were like, like, across the street from me.

[Rory]

You had to stare at love all day, huh?

[Mall]

Stare at love all day. Look what you could have had. Look what you could have had.

[Rory]

Clint looking through the window.

[Clay]

I don't know, man. Me and AD Doing something different.

[Mall]

Yeah. N. Y sound like y'all had fun. Sound like you had fun, man. Sound like you had a good time.

[Damaris]

Roy, are you okay? You're turning red.

[Evan]

I'm just laughing, that's all. Don't mind me.

[Rory]

Well, we don't want to beat you to the ground with this show.

[Evan]

I'm laughing at people. People that were holding out till the wedding day that weren't fucking. Y'all were in a pod for 10 days. Went to doctor. We're gonna save ourselves for marriage. It's been two weeks, yo.

[Mall]

What about. What about the. The. The other black guy?

[Clay]

Ken?

[Mall]

Ken, the principal?

[Evan]

They did him dirty.

[Mall]

Is he gay?

[Clay]

I don't think Ken is gay.

[Mall]

Cause I saw some shit come out where they was like, yo, he's. Or his cousin or somebody said, yo, he's definitely gay.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Mall]

I don't even know why he's on this show. Something.

[Clay]

I mean, I don't really took too much.

[Mall]

I fell in a weird rabbit hole after watching this shit, bro. I started, like, really, like, learning about all of y'all. Like, who are these? But, like, I read that. I was like, he's gay, but he's on this show. Like, what's his. What is he doing?

[Clay]

That's what I said. Like, I ain't never getting no gay vibes from Ken. Like, when I've been around Ken, he's always been like, he love. Love is blind, though, bro. Which is kind of crazy how everything kind of transpired because he was the one that was kind of giving me pointers, like, yeah, bro, this is what they gonna be doing. Blah, blah, blah. Like. Cause he loved the show. He really loved Britney, bro. Like, he wanted it to work with Brittany. And Brittany, I think she said on a couple of podcasts, Brittany just wasn't attracted to Ken. So it's kind of crazy how they edited him, bro, because Birdie said it multiple times on camera that she was not attracted to him. So, like, even him getting the backlash that he did. I don't want to talk about it because NDA stuff. But, like, they did K. Wrong, bro. Like, 100 Ken. Ken was a really nice guy, bro.

[Mall]

He seemed like a good dude.

[Clay]

Good dude. And he loved Britney, bro. Like, I remember when Brittany was talking to other men in the pod.

[Mall]

She don't look like she's ever dated a black guy, though.

[Clay]

She did.

[Mall]

She did.

[Clay]

She liked black guys.

[Mall]

Okay. She just didn't like Ken.

[Clay]

I think she didn't like Ken. Yeah.

[Mall]

Mar. Don't. What's up with you?

[Clay]

Yeah, what's up with you?

[Damaris]

No, you. Cuz you seem like you got smoke for me, so, like, what's.

[Clay]

I saw the pocket. I said, I'm ready for the smoke today, baby. Let go.

[Mall]

He saw you talking crazy.

[Clay]

I saw you talking crazy.

[Damaris]

That's the thing. Rory keeps saying the same thing as me. He turned to me, like, see, you don't know what you talking about. I said, Rory just said it before I did.

[Clay]

Wait, what part? What part? I'll get at Rory.

[Damaris]

It's smoke. Like, when I came here about.

[Mall]

You know what it is? No, I'm going to tell you what it is. Is he's been receiving so much backlash and from black women that white women.

[Evan]

Been on his ass, too.

[Mall]

Yeah. No, but this is different. The sisters. The sister's been killing them. You let. You left. You left a beautiful black sister at the altar. You need to Uncover that trauma in your life and deal with it.

[Damaris]

Like, didn't he say he need to uncover trauma?

[Mall]

But I'm just saying they've been on his ass about that. So now that he's in the room with you. Yeah, everybody, thank you. But now that he's in the room with you, he already know. He could kind of feel your energy where you feel like.

[Clay]

Everybody came up to me, gave me a hug, everybody showed me love you. Kind of just like, yo, I said.

[Damaris]

Hey, when I walked in, walk by.

[Mall]

That's when you know they got some smoke.

[Damaris]

I didn't even finish watching. I don't have no smoke for him.

[Clay]

I gotta use the bathroom.

[Damaris]

I think everything is fake.

[Evan]

Yeah, we take it.

[Mall]

Go ahead, pause.

[Evan]

Now. Damaris has been too quiet this entire time. I can see her tighten up her bottom lip. She's been mad this whole time.

[Damaris]

I'm not mad. I'm just. It's funny watching a, like, amateur manipulator attempt to, like, manipulate, like, in real. So it's like I'm kind of, like, just watching, like.

[Mall]

Oh, called him an amateur manipulator.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

He took a girl all the way to the altar and said, no, I think this nigga's a black belt manipulator.

[Evan]

And then after that, took another girl to another island.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Evan]

And she didn't see any red flags.

[Mall]

I think he's like. He's grandmaster manipulator.

[Evan]

So you felt away from the episode whenever that whole aired. When. When did mall go viral with that level?

[Damaris]

Maybe like. Maybe, like. Yeah, back March. It was. Yeah, the season had just.

[Rory]

When it happened. Because I watched it.

[Damaris]

April.

[Rory]

Because I watched it when it happened.

[Mall]

Yeah, it was April.

[Evan]

You felt away about some certain things Damaris was saying.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Evan]

And I felt like you've been taking some shots here and there at her.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Yes.

[Clay]

Yeah, I have.

[Evan]

She said, like, four words. And anything she said, you don't understand.

[Rory]

Roy been saying the same shit.

[Damaris]

That's why they say you don't like black women.

[Mall]

But you've been getting a lot of that, though.

[Clay]

I feel like. I feel like I'm naturally, like, just kind of, like, defensive when I feel like. Especially because I kind of heard some of her opinions already.

[Evan]

So.

[Damaris]

What were some of my opinions?

[Clay]

I don't really remember, but I just remember the tone. Yeah, the tone. I don't really remember shit. I just remember. I just remember the tone.

[Mall]

The tone.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Mall]

You don't remember words.

[Clay]

Just.

[Evan]

I'm the king of. I don't remember what you said. I Just remember how I felt. And I didn't like it.

[Clay]

I didn't like that.

[Mall]

I didn't like how I felt.

[Clay]

You know what I'm saying? But listen, I always felt like if I was around her, I'd be like, yo, we'd be cool. You know, like, it ain't gonna be nothing.

[Damaris]

But you could have came in and we could have hashed it up. We could have went in the corner and talked it out, and I could have. You know what I'm saying?

[Clay]

I thought that we had the opportunity in the beginning, but I came in, she walked right by me. I said, she's trying to keep the energy for the pop.

[Evan]

You had to figure out she followed A.D. yeah.

[Clay]

I don't. Well, you follow yo.

[Mall]

Definitely follow A.D. the money bag.

[Rory]

You're real ops right there.

[Mall]

That's awesome.

[Clay]

I feel it. I would have done the same thing. I ain't going to lie to you.

[Damaris]

But I'm just. Okay, but if you. If you were watching yourself on tv.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

And you watched yourself do what you did.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

You wouldn't make assumptions about you. You wouldn't see yourself as a red flag. Cuz, see, this is the thing I watch, watched after everything aired, and I already knew it was gonna happen. So from episode one, I was pointing out red flags. I was like, oh, she ain't see that one.

[Clay]

Oh, she missed that one. Yeah, but you ain't see the good. You ain't seen the green flag stuff that I did, though, because they ain't. They.

[Rory]

Missed all this.

[Clay]

Are you trying to say AD Is dumb for going to the altar?

[Damaris]

Because, like, see, that's why I say amateur manipulation. No, I'm not saying A.D. i'm saying.

[Clay]

But, like, because my whole thing is like this, right? She went to the altar because she felt compelled that this is a situation where she felt like I could be her husband. Like, so I get what you're saying because you're only watching from a TV show. You don't really know me like that, but, like, there was a lot of things that I did in the relationship. I held AD down. I held AD down with a lot of the people.

[Evan]

All 10 days.

[Clay]

No, no, no.

[Mall]

I was faithful for 12 days.

[Clay]

For 21 days. 21 days. I'm putting my hand up, bro. Bro. Dudes was folding, bro. You seen Jeremy?

[Evan]

Yeah.

[Clay]

You seen Jeremy? You seen Trev? You seen Jimmy, bro, I held it down for 21 days. Like, I know what I'm saying. Like, and it was intense. But when I say I held AD down, it's not even with the days, bro. It's also too, like, what they were trying to exploit her and do, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, there was a lot of sexualization, and I know people saying, like, oh, I sexualized her, but I felt like I stepped in front of a lot of bullets for A.D. you know what I'm saying? In terms of, like, nah, we ain't doing that. You know what I'm saying? Like, I was the voice to say, nah, she ain't doing this. She not going doing this scene. She not meeting up with Britney, having this conversation. No, we're not doing that. So I felt as though that I did step up, and I felt like A.D. one of the reasons why she fell in love with me, because she knew that. That she didn't have to take that bullet. I will take the bullet for her. You know what I'm saying? And I think for a woman and a man to lead, the man got to be able to lead. He got to be able to go into the danger and got to be able to take the punches, and I feel like I did that in a relationship. So.

[Damaris]

Rory, don't look at me.

[Evan]

What?

[Mall]

Don't look like.

[Damaris]

Yo, that's right.

[Clay]

Shut the.

[Evan]

No, I'm looking. I just said that.

[Clay]

N is already. Think I'm manipulating.

[Mall]

I'm just. It's just interesting.

[Evan]

They definitely did sexualize her on that show, though.

[Clay]

They did. They did that.

[Evan]

And I commend you. You, because I know you were on a set and you can't do certain things. That whole bean. Whatever the joke that was. Nah.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Evan]

I'm knocking everybody out. I know you're in a situation where you can't do that.

[Clay]

Yeah, that was.

[Rory]

Wow.

[Evan]

I would have lost it.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Rory]

The bean dip. You don't remember that?

[Evan]

I didn't even understand the joke. All I know, it wasn't even a joke. It was okay to touch my fiance's title. Like, I'm losing it, but I'm stupid. I would have ruined the show.

[Damaris]

You're a crasher. So what was the joke? Can someone enlighten our own?

[Evan]

I don't. I don't really get it.

[Clay]

Jeremy. So pretty much Laura had this joke called bean dip, and bean dip means that you will slap a girl's titty out of her bra in a sense. I don't know what type of joke that is, but that was her joke.

[Evan]

I didn't even understand that part.

[Clay]

That's. I didn't understand it. So Lord told Jeremy this, and Jeremy is Just a blobber mouthful. He'll tell you whatever.

[Evan]

He is Asperger's.

[Clay]

Anybody say, huh?

[Evan]

He is Asperger's for sure.

[Clay]

He might. He might. Jeremy's. Me and Jeremy. Cool. I appreciate Jeremy for saying. I would have never known that Laura was making that bean dip joke. Cause that was really Laura's joke. It wasn't Jeremy. Jeremy was just articulating what Laura told him to do. I appreciate Jeremy for that. I don't got no beef with Jeremy for articulating, hey, my fiance wants me to slap your fiance's titty out of her bra. You know what I'm saying? So I checked both of them on that. They didn't air that. You know what I'm saying? But I checked both of them on that. And you know, at the day. Laura is ad's friend. I can't. I can only check Laura from a certain perspective. And my conversation really came from Jeremy. You not slapping Ad's titty out.

[Mall]

Right?

[Clay]

You know what I mean? That ain't happening.

[Evan]

I don't think he was gonna.

[Clay]

He wasn't gonna do. He was kind of just joking about it. But I don't know what him and Laura's conversation was. But I know that that put a riff in Laura's and Jeremy's relationship because Laura made Jeremy sleep on the couch. Couch. You talking about gangster. She told him the joke, he repeated it, and she made his ass sleep on the couch. That's gangster.

[Mall]

Well, that's why he really. He was with Sarah Ann till five in the morning in the car, just kicking it.

[Clay]

Revenge is a cold game.

[Mall]

When they got on that lake on them Jet Skis after he dumped Laura and went on the Jet Ski, whoever.

[Rory]

Shot that, this dude. That was beautiful.

[Mall]

Who did that? Like, yo, who thought about.

[Evan]

That was a DJ Khaled video.

[Mall]

I was like, yo, they. They doing water her.

[Clay]

I know.

[Mall]

After dumping Laura on the. She's on the dock just sitting there.

[Clay]

That was diabolic.

[Mall]

Was that your jet ski rental place?

[Clay]

No, it wasn't. I asked him, I said, yo. I was like, yo, I was on the lake. You ain't want to use my.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

You could have double dip.

[Clay]

Hey, damn.

[Mall]

But business is going good for you, though.

[Clay]

Business going good. Business going good.

[Damaris]

So can we rent a Jet Ski?

[Clay]

Y'all don't gotta rent. Y'all coming free?

[Mall]

Yeah, I'm coming down there.

[Rory]

We gotta go back to Charlotte, man. You know how highly we speak in Charlotte.

[Clay]

We got two boats. We got the jet car. I got a G Wag. Now for the jet car, bro. I told Ma already, but we gotta be outside with it.

[Damaris]

What kind of boat is it?

[Clay]

I got a. I got a Bennington 23. LSR seats about 13 people. I got a Sea doo switch that. Seats about eight. I got four jet skis, GTIs, 130s. They go about 55 miles per hour. And I got a. A jet. A jet car. I haven't tried it out yet, so. But it's a G Wag. But I'm gonna try it out before I advertise that, because I. Hey, you know, you don't know what.

[Evan]

The manufacturer don't scare me when they try to put that shit around jet skis.

[Clay]

Like, bro, it's a Yamaha engine, though. It's a boat engine, so it's a problem. I know, but like, they was telling me, it's like, bro, it got, like, an inlet. Like, it's got an outboard, like a jet ski, so it picks up a lot of debris. I don't want to advertise that yet until I try it out.

[Mall]

Yeah, but.

[Clay]

But it's a.

[Evan]

Don't scare me a lot.

[Clay]

Yeah, but I do think that. You know what I mean, if y'all come out to Charlotte, that's where y'all. When you ride with.

[Mall]

I'm gonna come down to four. What's the name of your. Your boat rental company?

[Clay]

Wave Sandy Water Rental. It's a play off my last name. My last name is Grave Sandy, so my business name is Wave Sandy Water Rental. Been around for three years. Last year was a great year for me in terms of just renting it out. This year, we upscaled and really just trying to have, like, experiences on the lake. You know, I'm doing SOCA Thursdays, R and B Fridays.

[Rory]

Hell, yeah.

[Clay]

You know, more so, like, getting away from people who don't want to go to the club. Nah, don't go to the club, man. We on the lake. We having a good time. You could be away. Cause I was talking to them all before the pod. Like, Charlotte could get a little bit small, you know what I'm saying? And what I'm trying to do is bring experiences that get outside of the, like, the. You know, the mundane things of, like, hey, like, we. We over here going to the club, going to, you know, doing the regular things, like, hey, we going to the lake. We got LED lights. We having a fun time listening to R and B music. We listen to SOCA music. You know what I'm saying? So you're trying to bring The West.

[Evan]

Indian community in Charlotte.

[Clay]

There is, there is, there is. But I don't think that community's been tapped into like that, you know what I'm saying? So a lot of Jamaican spots, but, like, not too many Guyanese. We actually. I'm actually gonna partner when I do SOCA Thursday with this Guyanese and Trinidadian food truck. So we're gonna have big bake. We're gonna have bake on the boat. We're gonna have roti and curry and stuff like that. So we're gonna definitely have some food coming out, some chefs coming out, stuff like that. So kind of bringing some experience, trying.

[Mall]

To bring more culture to the lakes in North Carolina.

[Clay]

Yeah, man. I'm trying to be closer to Charlotte, man. Well, we will.

[Rory]

We'll add your website in the description on YouTube and also on the DSPS as well. Clay, you said you've been listening to our. Our pod for a minute. So you're probably familiar with our voicemail segment in terms of. We have people call in. If you subscribe to our Patreon, you can call in, leave voicemails, and then we play them on here and give probably the best advice you get.

[Clay]

Okay.

[Rory]

And with. With you being here, I held a few specifically for you because I know the expert that you are, and I've been. I've been sitting on some of our great. Some of our greatest voicemails, and I really wanted to share some with you. So can we. Can we do something with you, man?

[Clay]

Let's do it.

[Rory]

All right, cool. Let's start with this one.

[Mall]

Yo, what's up, everybody?

[Caller]

At the Roaring Mall podcast.

[Mall]

I want to start this by saying my love life probably cook, cuz I'm at work. Coming ask y'all for advice right now.

[Clay]

Which is great, crazy.

[Caller]

But my question is. All right, so I've been talking to this girl serious for about six months, but we always kind of been on and off, like, we've been having history.

[Mall]

Probably for at least five years, but.

[Caller]

Now we're back talking serious for about six months. And I have this other girl that, you know, I started getting to know and stuff like that too, in the.

[Mall]

Process, because I was like, okay, gay.

[Caller]

I've known this girl for five years. We had our ups and downs. We, you know, separated from each other and stuff like that. And it's just now that things getting serious, it's like, should I cut the other girl off? Because things going good with her too. But I don't know. I just never been a type to you. Know want to have to seriously talk to two girls at the same time. Because one is hard enough. One is hard enough to hold conversation and just, you know, learn from them and stuff. That's what I mean by that. So I just was calling next. What's y'all advice on that?

[Clay]

Like, what should I do? Appreciate it.

[Rory]

We looking right at you juggling two women at the same time, Clyde.

[Mall]

What should he do?

[Rory]

What should he do?

[Clay]

Hey, man, rent a jet ski.

[Evan]

Hey, man, keep one at the lake and one in the city.

[Mall]

Exactly.

[Clay]

I think you should listen, man. It's a tough situation, man. Cause it sound like he liked both of those girls. Yeah, that's a tough situation, man. I've been there before. Honestly, it's gonna play itself out. One of them gonna find out. One of them gonna be cool with it, but I'm not gonna give him advice on that. I think what he should do on some real stuff, though, he should definitely have an honest conversation with them and say that I like. I like another woman. Like, honestly, he should talk about his flaws and like, yo, I'm actually talking to him. And he should see their reaction with it. I feel like the one that's gonna be really right with him, she gonna hear what he has to say, and then she'll stick around. But she might curse him out, but she'll stick around. The other girl, the one girl, like, how she doing her face? She gonna be like, hell, no, I ain't about to talk to you. Listen, bro, live in your truth. Cause, like, listen, think thing. Some guys can't. Some guys. When you talk to multiple women, you. It's hard to make that decision. Like, I'm gonna talk to that one girl. Girls can't fathom that there might be a girl that's me better than. Than you are.

[Damaris]

We can't fathom. There's always somebody us better than you are. What are we talking about? He said girls can't fathom.

[Mall]

Like, at the same time, I'm you.

[Damaris]

What's wrong with him, man?

[Mall]

If a girl. My girl while I'm. It's gonna.

[Damaris]

But that's not your girl.

[Clay]

Hey, if. If that's the situation, bro, then you find, hey, you gotta. Because that other girl probably ain't fucking no other guy. You know what I'm saying?

[Damaris]

Yeah, that's logic. Okay, go ahead, finish it. Finish your advice.

[Clay]

Hey, I'm just saying, like. I'm just saying, you talking to two different women at the same time. He already. He already. It sound like he talking to them in deaf and he lying to them. It sound like he is literally acting like he's with one chick. So he already is making a mistake. He's not transparent about what he's going on. So he's going to have to elaborate that. Yo, yo, all right, this is my situation. Blah, blah, blah. There's gonna be one chick that's gonna not fuck with it, but she'll stick around. There's gonna be one chick that's gonna completely cut him off. He should go with the chick that a little more open, right? That's gonna. He ain't gonna know all the other options. You know what I'm saying? I've been that situation, right?

[Damaris]

So what I heard from his voicemail is that he's dating one that he really, really, really, really likes. But he was had a girl that he's been dating for a while that he liked too. But he likes one more than the other. He wants to know, should he cut the other one off before he knows that this is a sure thing? He already has the one that he likes the most.

[Clay]

Oh, yeah, man. If he got the one that he likes, if he got the one that he likes, then he should definitely go with the one that he likes. And I wouldn't even get myself in that shit.

[Damaris]

You should let the other one go. If you have the one that you already really, really like, let the other one go. Cause you're about to start. You're gonna start. You're gonna start showing favoritism eventually.

[Clay]

Yeah, you are. Favoritism happens. Yeah, 100%. But sometimes when you. Sometimes you got that favorite one, though. You know what I mean? Shit. Just kinda.

[Mall]

Your favorite one. We all got our favorite one.

[Clay]

Yeah, I got our favorite one. But sometimes the favorite one, like, they really don't fuck with you talking to multiple people. So, like, you really can't do it. Usually the favorite one, she ain't playing.

[Rory]

That's the most difficult one.

[Clay]

That's the most difficult one. She ain't playing that. And that's the one that hurt when you lose that. So I'm gonna tell my guy, man, go with the favor, bro. Make the decision. Cause you're gonna be happier with the favorite. Cause you lose that favorite. I don't care if you get three women, right?

[Mall]

It don't add.

[Clay]

She ain't gonna fill that void.

[Evan]

I would have chose the favorite one if that was the favorite one. Clean the entire plate, Roy.

[Clay]

That's what I was kind of alluding to. I don't think that he. I heard what you saying. I didn't really think that. I thought that. What I heard from what he said is that I got a favorite relationship wise, but I got another one that's fucking me crazy. That's what I heard.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Evan]

As someone that's been in this situation, you need to clean the plate. If that was your favorite, you would have chose her. She's a favorite for a reason. This other girl's a favorite for a reason. This is going to turn into one of them. Like you said, finding out what's going on turn into a nightmare. Clean the plate, start over. I ain't gonna say clean both of them off.

[Mall]

I like what Clay said. Have a conversation.

[Evan]

Cut them both off.

[Mall]

Have an honest conversation with both of them. Let them know the situation. I wouldn't clean the plate. I'm not going to get rid of Rory.

[Rory]

You wouldn't do that.

[Evan]

I'm speaking from experience of this situation. It's not going to end well.

[Clay]

It's not going to end well.

[Evan]

I'm speaking from a. A higher up spot at this point.

[Clay]

Rory, he going to lose the favor.

[Evan]

Favorite favorite's gonna be gone.

[Clay]

She's gonna be gone. But you could keep the second.

[Evan]

No, the second is gonna catch on to your. She'll be cool for a little bit. She'll be done with the act. Like the second favorite.

[Rory]

I was just saying, she becomes the new favorite by default. And then you're gonna. It's cyclical.

[Evan]

She's gonna be mad when you go to LA and don't call her. Like you need to.

[Clay]

Oh, this don't get picked up.

[Evan]

That didn't even perk. Damaris's eyebrows. Nothing.

[Mall]

No, no, no. Damaris, she texting her favorite right now.

[Clay]

Yo, what's women do? This. Women do the same thing.

[Evan]

I'm telling you, this situation, it never ends with. There's never a story where it's like, yeah, my long term wife, I was in this situation. No, it doesn't work this way.

[Clay]

No, it doesn't.

[Evan]

If you clean the plate, if you're trying to.

[Mall]

And then new.

[Evan]

Yes, yes, 100%.

[Clay]

But I got to see, you're already in a.

[Evan]

A shitty situation that's not going to cure itself because someone's going to find out about someone, something. And even if one girl's cool with it for a while, you're gonna have to live with that for the rest of your.

[Clay]

Hey, bro, Tell them anytime you're wrong.

[Evan]

She'S gonna bring that up.

[Clay]

But he should tell the truth. Because if you tell the truth, you might lose the girl at that time. But, you know, six months, six months from now, you might get her back because she respect the fact that she.

[Evan]

Told the truth and the plate is clean.

[Rory]

Lost the battle, won the war.

[Clay]

Yeah. Yeah. I think.

[Rory]

I think this is an underrated tactic, too, that I. That I've done and I've had friends do. Take a. Take a notepad, had. Line down the middle, write the qualities of the two women that you like the most.

[Evan]

An episode of Boy Meets World.

[Rory]

Perhaps we also, why did I give Mr. Feeney. But no, just like, I would say sometimes it helps to visualize outside of, like, just like discussions and talking to your friends. Just see the things you like most, what are the qualities, et cetera, et cetera. And then kind of use that as a guide.

[Mall]

That's.

[Damaris]

If you're trying to get like, I get that. But you can't write chemistry down at all.

[Evan]

I'm with demerit, but they're.

[Rory]

But like, all right, maybe, right. It's as corny as it sounds.

[Evan]

Like, I have my checklist and I. Every chick I've actually had real connection and chemistry with did not meet any criteria that I could write down.

[Clay]

When I do that checklist shit, the girl that I got the most green checks with, I be like, damn, she ain't fun as the chemistry is better. She ain't fun as the exes that I got.

[Mall]

That's cause you like this toxic shit.

[Clay]

But I do like the toxic shit. But that's why I say you got to understand them. That dude's core. The core value. Because he got two women that seem like that fuck with him. He might like that toxic shit. You know what I'm saying? So you gotta understand his core value of what he actually like. Because, you know, he might like a chick that's more promiscuous than a good girl. Sometimes, like, I see a lot of guys, they'll go with the good chick because she's probably a better wife, but then, like, they end up fucking up because they really like that promiscuous shit. You know what I'm saying? And that good girl shit ain't really hitting like that. I'mma be honest. You more. I had a girl that. I dated it, bro. She deserved to be my wife, Bris. Before. It's like 2019. She deserved to be my wife. I just was not that arrogant.

[Rory]

Deserved.

[Evan]

It's very arrogant.

[Clay]

What?

[Evan]

She deserved to be your wife.

[Clay]

She deserved it. She deserved it.

[Damaris]

That's the honor.

[Rory]

She earned it.

[Clay]

She earned it. She's. She Deserved to be white to anybody. Like, she's a girl. Good woman.

[Rory]

Oh, that was better.

[Clay]

She's a good woman. She a good woman. Like, no disrespect, like, not. I ain't even trying to cry. No, she a good woman.

[Evan]

We with you, by the way.

[Clay]

Not that she was born, but, like, what I was used to. Like, I mean, what I. What I felt. Not that. What I was used to, but. But, like, what I felt like at that time, what I wanted, you know, I wanted a girl that was a little more fun. I wanted that fire, you know what I'm saying? And it was too, like. I don't know, too, like, red carpet out. Like, this is my wife. It was like. I don't know. The sex wasn't letting me hit him. Like, it was supposed to be hitting. Yeah. And, like, the. The divide was hit. And certain guys, that's all they did. They just need a wife. I need a little fire, you know? And certain guys need that fire, and I'm not. I don't give a. Like, some niggas. And that girl that I dated, she deserves to be a wife. But, like, I wasn't that guy for her, you know what I'm saying? So for that guy that had that. That story, he might like that. He might like a little bit of a fun, you know? I like that thrill. You know what I'm saying? So he need to. He need to communicate that.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Clay]

You know, he need to be honest with you.

[Mall]

He had that conversation and just let, you know. Let them know the situation. Like, hey, I met somebody else, and we kind of got a little vibe, you know, whatever, Whatever. But I'm not sure what to do. Sometimes women, if they like you enough, if they care about you enough, you know, they'll sit there, have that conversation, because they're gonna respect the honesty. They might not like it, but if they're that type of a woman, mature enough, they'll respect the honesty. Might make the decision for you. Like, listen, this is what I want. I'm ready to settle down. I'm ready to. This, this, this, this. If you not ready for that, go do what. What you know you want to do. Like, they'll. Women will help you with that decision.

[Clay]

So let me ask you a question, because I feel like you probably had this conversation before when you ever had that conversation. A girl takes it, and then she's like, all right, well, I'm gonna be outside as well. What's your approach to that?

[Mall]

If she said she's gonna be outside, she's dating other guys.

[Clay]

Like, like. Like. All right, cool. Like, I hear what you're saying. You outside. I'm gonna be outside, too.

[Mall]

Oh, nah, we both can't. Then that's just what we doing at that point. It's like. It's not even a. It's just like. We just. Just we hook up every now and then. Because if you with other guys, like, if you outside hanging out with other guys, it's like, all right. So.

[Evan]

But you outside, though, so it's cool.

[Mall]

Not saying it's cool, but it's like if we both doing the same. That just now our dynamic weird when you're both.

[Evan]

So let me. But you just wait for me, bro.

[Clay]

What you think, bro?

[Rory]

Yeah, you stay at home, you know, but that's.

[Mall]

It's. It is a double standard, though. It is like.

[Clay]

Like.

[Mall]

Like men kind of get. We kind of get, you know, So a girl don't. Women like men that other women like.

[Damaris]

Oh, my God.

[Mall]

Women like that shit. Women want that.

[Evan]

Women don't really like me, and I do. All right.

[Mall]

Don't. No. No chick like, girl, I met this. No, no want this. When the last time you heard a woman say y'all met this nigga last night.

[Clay]

He only for me.

[Damaris]

What?

[Mall]

That don't happen. Like, women. Women have this thing where they want to turn. Oh, yeah, he outside. I'mma shut all that shit down. All them bitches is going to be.

[Clay]

But it do entice you a little bit more when your girl desirable, though.

[Damaris]

A girl that everybody else wants to. But you want them to not be able to have her.

[Clay]

Yeah. Facts.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

So I want you to have the ability to get. I just want you to not get them.

[Clay]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mall]

Nah, not really. You want women. Women. Women know that a been outside like, he. He done with a bunch of.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Don't no go to some chick. Well, some of these cornball do. But don't no find no chick that a bunch of done been with and be like, yo, I'm locking that down. It's like, yo, what you doing? I mean, he cuddled with one that was content.

[Clay]

That was content. It was content.

[Mall]

It's a content.

[Clay]

I was never going to be with.

[Evan]

Selena sitting right there.

[Clay]

I didn't.

[Rory]

Okay, well, we.

[Mall]

We've all damn right.

[Evan]

It was right there. I didn't know what to do.

[Clay]

Yeah, you had no choice.

[Damaris]

N get smoke for him. Smoke for him? The white boy.

[Clay]

I got smoke for Rory, man. But listen, man, would you be in a thruffle? I didn't. Huh?

[Evan]

Would you be in a thrle.

[Clay]

Explain to me what thruffle is. I don't know what thruffle in a.

[Evan]

Relationship with two women. Like, but you're a three, like, living together.

[Damaris]

Look at his face.

[Clay]

Probably not, but like I said, I ain't never did it, so I can't say I wouldn't do that shit.

[Rory]

Can't knock it till you try it.

[Clay]

Can't knock it till I try it. Listen, listen. And I talk to women of the industry and I feel like women who are not in other industry, they be having really perception of shit when I talk to women of the industry. I don't know, bro. I don't know, man. Maybe I might be open to it. I don't know.

[Mall]

That's a lot.

[Evan]

I did it for a week.

[Clay]

Yeah, it sounds cool.

[Evan]

It's not cool.

[Clay]

Not what made you. What made you do it.

[Evan]

I did My Love is blind week. I mean, I saw them. One blew up my bathroom. Way too crazy. And then the other one got mad because I was cuddling with the one. Yeah, she like.

[Mall]

She can't.

[Evan]

Nah, but it was different.

[Clay]

I can't have told you. Can't blow up my bathroom, bro. Hell no.

[Mall]

Girl can't take a. In your house.

[Clay]

She can take my house. You can't blow it up.

[Evan]

Long term relationship now how she the level?

[Clay]

I got a crib. You got.

[Evan]

Telling you, dog, I wouldn't have done that to my best friend of 30 years. Bathroom.

[Clay]

Yeah, facts like you need.

[Mall]

That was your fault. You took her out to get steak and tequila.

[Evan]

Yeah, you her stomach hookah and hookah.

[Mall]

Now he mad that she got a crazy.

[Clay]

I don't care M. She better put that shower on. Put the col. She been afraid of cologne.

[Mall]

Nah, you just got to. Nah.

[Evan]

I live in a residential neighborhood. Go find a Dunkin Donuts. Wait, wait. If you.

[Clay]

That's crazy.

[Rory]

So when you and 80 moved in together and you're sharing the same town, how many bathrooms were in there?

[Clay]

There was two.

[Rory]

Okay. Did you have rules or what was that? Like?

[Mall]

Wait, was it two full bathrooms?

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Was it?

[Clay]

No, no, it was. It was one full bathroom. Everything 1.

[Rory]

The three bathrooms.

[Clay]

Three bathrooms.

[Mall]

Three bathrooms. You never smell ad.

[Rory]

Fine.

[Evan]

No, but you know what's crazy?

[Clay]

I ain't never lived with a chick where I only had one bathroom.

[Mall]

Okay?

[Clay]

So, like, you know, I mean, like, I'm not doing that.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Evan]

I'm trying to tell y'all that type of stuff does not bother me. My girl can fart in front of me. I'll laugh with Her.

[Clay]

Yeah, facts.

[Evan]

That's how crazy she blew up my bathroom. Like I thought I needed to get. What's the. The washers that you had to plug in?

[Rory]

Yeah, to plug power washers.

[Evan]

I thought I had to power wash that like the whole thing. Then the next night she got mad at me cuz I only cuddled with one of the other one.

[Clay]

That's too much body heat, man. Two girls and I was in the.

[Rory]

Middle like ass butthole over here.

[Clay]

Like I move a lot in hop in the shower.

[Rory]

Yeah, that hot ass.

[Evan]

Me being in the middle of the bed was the worst thing I've ever been a part of.

[Clay]

Nah, nah, it's not like I. I can't even really move around Sound like.

[Evan]

Fun was the only one I wanted to cuddle with and thru are the. They sound cool in porn. Nah, worst experience ever. But I think you could pull it off.

[Clay]

No, I ain't gonna put it.

[Evan]

You got lake houses and I don't got lake house.

[Clay]

I want that. That's. That's aspiration. But even with that, you know I'm gonna sleep in the guest room. Yeah, yeah, y'all can sleep together. Yeah, I'm. I. I got. I got too much body heat, man. I can't be sleeping in a bed with two different women, bro.

[Evan]

Out of those five days, three of. Three of those nights I slept on the couch.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Evan]

I couldn't do it. I have a big ass.

[Clay]

What made you accept that same we've.

[Evan]

Been talking about this whole time? Lust of like lust I feel you.

[Clay]

Let me just if anybody live it. Yeah, you live it.

[Evan]

I didn't like either of you.

[Clay]

The thing is like people be thinking.

[Evan]

About down and they were both attractive.

[Clay]

Fact facts and I ain't even had.

[Evan]

Sex for a while.

[Clay]

So you had threesome?

[Evan]

Yeah, I've had my fair share.

[Clay]

That's what's up.

[Rory]

Same.

[Mall]

You had threesome before?

[Clay]

Never had threesome. I never had one before. Yeah. Trust me bro. I'll be. I'm a good dude.

[Mall]

See some of us you in mall, some of us out here.

[Clay]

I never threesome so more so I could have but like I'm a good dude but I'm awkward with it. Like what do I do? Just whip my dick out when I had something.

[Mall]

Please don't ever just do that.

[Evan]

No, God no.

[Clay]

No. That's what I'm saying. I never did that. But like that's what I said. That's what I'm. I'm. I move like you know. I mean I'll be a Little awkward with, like, I'm saying, like, I like. I like macking on one woman.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Clay]

I don't like macking on two at the same time. I don't like that. No.

[Damaris]

You got a Mac on one, and then the one got a Mac on the other.

[Clay]

Well, my home, when my homeboy told me, he. Homeboy told me to get threesomes, he said, you got a Mac on the one that's less. That. That's less attractive to you. You pop it off with that one, and then you get the one that's really attracted to you. She gonna. She gonna be with the shits. But, like, I don't know if I.

[Mall]

Want to talk to somebody I'm not attracted to.

[Clay]

No, no, no. Not that she's. The less. She's. She's less giving you rapport. She's less like. Like, like.

[Mall]

Okay, so if the one that's less attractive is giving.

[Rory]

It's not attractive.

[Damaris]

Less attracted to you. So if there's two women, one is giving you love and the other one isn't, pay attention to the one that is. Isn't. Because the one that's giving you love is gonna be down for whatever.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Not. Not looks, just energy.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Clay]

So pretty much macking on the one that's, like, giving you less attention.

[Mall]

Got you. Okay.

[Clay]

Yeah. That's what my homeboy told me.

[Mall]

It's never had, like, I don't know, the three. Like Rory said, it just always seemed overrated to me.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Mall]

I never really.

[Evan]

Threesomes are fun with two women that want to each other.

[Rory]

True.

[Evan]

I'm saying throuples are the worst idea.

[Clay]

Like, relationship. Right.

[Mall]

Living together.

[Evan]

Yes. That's when you're like, yeah, the three.

[Rory]

Of us are dating, taking shits together and stuff.

[Evan]

Yeah. We're blowing up each other's bathroom.

[Clay]

Yeah. I never. I never desired to throw B. I ain't gonna lie. I desired threesomes, but I never desired talking to two different women and dating out. Nah, that's not my.

[Mall]

Well, I mean, the threesome gotta be at your doorstep right now, I would.

[Clay]

Guess, you know, believes, you know.

[Evan]

You know, it was laying in bed.

[Clay]

With you, you know? I know, I know. But, like, these women, bro, I don't know what it is, bro. They only want me to themselves, bro. I be actually. I actually be. I'll be posting. I'm like, yo, you know, you get another woman in this bitch. I don't be having the vibe. Like, I be feeling like they only.

[Evan]

Be winning another woman in this threesome.

[Clay]

Now you can't bro, it has to be her idea.

[Evan]

It has to be a girl she likes.

[Clay]

There was a chick that I talked to in Charlotte. She gave me the best pussy in my life and I wanted to have a threesome with her. And I told her, I said I'mma just be focused on you. And you know, the other chick, she come through. I have fun with it, but nah, it never works out my way, bro. They always only want me, bro. They don't want me fucking the other chick.

[Damaris]

What happened to the girl that gave you the best pussy of your life?

[Clay]

Happened to her, I think. I'm sure. Minka attested is the girl that gave you the best life. She wasn't your girlfriend?

[Mall]

Yeah, N. She's. She's never.

[Damaris]

You didn't try to make her your girlfriend?

[Clay]

I thought about it. I thought. Cuz I. Like I said, I'm a lustful man. I'm a lustful man. Sometimes lust. Sometimes lust. Get over the morality.

[Rory]

You someone on a jet ski yet? I feel like that's like a thing.

[Clay]

Nah, nah, nah, nah. No, no, no.

[Rory]

I don't know. On the Jet Ski it's on porn up.

[Clay]

I see that.

[Rory]

It's all over the place. No, that's crazy. I know. It was like business, cuz.

[Clay]

Cuz the jet Ski, bro, is. It's like. It's weight proportion. It's weight proportion. Like I ain't trying to do all that. I ain't going to lie.

[Mall]

It's not that serious.

[Clay]

You're not that serious? I'm not trying to get that bad.

[Evan]

The are we doing?

[Clay]

I'm not that horny.

[Evan]

Back to your question before of. Of the wife part. I met a girl in a threesome.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Evan]

And I liked her a lot. And she didn't take me seriously.

[Mall]

You met her in a threesome?

[Clay]

How many damn were you outside, bro? You had multiple threesomes?

[Mall]

Okay, okay.

[Evan]

And then like. And then. And then like I got to know her and she was like super cool.

[Clay]

Rory taking a honey pack with him.

[Evan]

I've shown to marry that girl before.

[Damaris]

Love of my life.

[Mall]

So you met her in the threesome? Like a girl you already with brought another girl for y'all to have sex with?

[Evan]

Yes.

[Mall]

Did they have sex before together?

[Evan]

I think so. Yeah.

[Mall]

Like another threesome or just dumb too?

[Evan]

I. I didn't ask questions.

[Clay]

Yeah, I feel I wouldn't ask questions either. Rory.

[Evan]

I know they were.

[Mall]

How awkward is it to ask the girl that you have in the girl before threesome?

[Evan]

I should say, hey, have you guys fucked another Guy together, you just got to be there.

[Mall]

Is this y'all first threesome? How is that awkward?

[Clay]

N m. You guys just awkward.

[Damaris]

That's why ma had one. Cuz he asked questions like that.

[Evan]

That don't matter at that time at all.

[Mall]

I've never asked a girl that. Like, I've never asked girl, but I'm see how that would be weird if I'm about to have a threesome. Girls. Yeah, the girl brought her. Like, that's a girl she with before.

[Clay]

One on one, I might ask her that. But not on when the girl there, the other girl there.

[Mall]

So why are we keeping secrets? We all. We all naked.

[Evan]

I'm here.

[Mall]

You can see my ass. I can see your ass. Like we looking at each other's right there. What secrets are we keeping?

[Clay]

Hey, ma, I'm with you. I ain't never had three songs. I don't know the conduct. I don't know.

[Evan]

Do you not understand in spontaneity, however you pronounce that word?

[Damaris]

You can't. You can't start asking the vibe.

[Clay]

You afraid?

[Evan]

No, I'm not saying it wasn't a planned threesome.

[Mall]

I'm not saying ask what happened. I'm just saying at some point, we're not.

[Evan]

I didn't be like, have you. You guys done this before?

[Mall]

Now you making it corny. What I'm saying is if you hanging out with two girls that you're corny. If you're hanging out with two girls that you're fucking. We're not just fucking all day. At some point we having regular conversations. I'm just saying. How does that not come up? Like, yo, is that. Was that your first threesome?

[Clay]

Yeah. No, I would do that with the one with the one on one chick. With the chick I'm more closer with. You know what I'm saying? I definitely would have that conversation with her, but like, when they together, I don't know. I more so would probably would just try to like, get done. You know what I'm saying? I don't know. I. I don't know, bro. Like, I feel what you're saying. I feel what you're saying. I probably would, but I would. Me personally, I would have that one on one with the chick. I got more rapport with the chick that set it up. Because usually my.

[Mall]

My just ask her if.

[Clay]

Ask her, ask her. You know what I'm saying?

[Mall]

Okay, same.

[Evan]

Yeah, anyways.

[Clay]

Yeah, it was, but I ain't never had no threesome ones. I'm with you, ma. I ain't never had. Ain't work for me.

[Mall]

Never had one.

[Clay]

All right?

[Evan]

I got to know the girl. I got to know the girl, and she didn't take me serious because she thought I wouldn't take her serious because I met her in a threesome.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's fair.

[Evan]

I like. I liked her. I thought she was cool. I would have liked her.

[Rory]

Wow. Damn beautiful girl. Before we get on to the next voicemail, I do want to ask because we. We. I feel like we gave this gentleman some advice, but at some point in our lives, we've all juggled two women. Damaris, maybe two men. I don't know. But what. What have you guys done in that situation? And how did you. Obviously, we all fumbled at some point. But how did it end? And how did you end it? Was it amicable, or was it always in chaos and disarray?

[Mall]

What amicable?

[Rory]

When we. At some point, we've all been hooking up with two women. So how have you ended it in the past? Was it good or how did it go bad?

[Damaris]

I did what he told the advice he told him to give.

[Mall]

That's what I did. What was the advice he said?

[Clay]

When 1.

[Damaris]

Figure it out. Whoever stay, stay, whoever, go, go.

[Clay]

Hey, it's survival to fit it.

[Damaris]

No, but that's not good advice. I'm not, like, I'm not big enough. Your advice. That's awful advice. Don't do. Do that. Be honest.

[Clay]

And talking to two women is not gonna go well. It's like, bro, like, most of the women, they just want you to talk to this.

[Damaris]

But that's dating, though. Dating is. Is dating multiple people just don't lead me to believe you're only dating me. Like, just.

[Mall]

And I think it's the older. You know, well, obviously, I'm the oldest guy here, but I think that it's. The older you get. I think that it's. It's fly when you got just one.

[Clay]

I think it is.

[Mall]

That's just. And that's like, your. Your homie, your friend. You have great sex, great communication, travel together. Like, that's the cool shit to me. Like, multiple girls, like, for a while. Like, you still 30. Like, I think Julian's 32. Like, I can understand that at that age. Like, I was there. Like, I get it. But at some point, you look up and you like, this shit is not. What is this? Yeah, my phone is buzzing. I've got a bunch of conversations going on with multiple. It's like, this shit. What is this shit about? Like, where does this. This ultimately End up at Now.

[Clay]

I'm with you on that, bro. I think talking to multiple women, it gets. It definitely gets a little overwhelming. And trust me, bro, I would love to just be with a one woman, man. I trust me, bro, but not today. It just my spirit, you know, sometimes just don't be leading me that way.

[Mall]

Where your spirit be taking you, Clay? On the lake? Huh?

[Rory]

Just jet skiing.

[Mall]

Your spirit be jet skiing with you?

[Rory]

Going on the dock.

[Clay]

I was talking to my therapist. My therapist said I need a reform.

[Mall]

That's what she said.

[Damaris]

I'm the best woman, me and Rory.

[Clay]

She said I need a brief on her. She said that I need a woman that probably was promiscuous, but like, she kind of like changing herself up. She been working and stuff like that. You know what I'm saying? I'm putting this out there. I need that, baby. If you was outside, but you cleaning.

[Mall]

Up, but you inside now.

[Clay]

You inside now. I need you. You know what I'm saying?

[Damaris]

She was outside 19 to 23.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

19 to 24 and then stopped.

[Evan]

Yeah. She didn't count.

[Damaris]

Yeah. No.

[Clay]

Yeah. At that point, especially if I don't know. Tamara says if I don't know and don't even ask, I would never ask.

[Evan]

Who cares?

[Clay]

I don't even care, bro. I date a whore.

[Mall]

Wait, what do you mean by.

[Evan]

Well, I mean, we saw you.

[Rory]

Well, yeah, on TikTok.

[Evan]

We didn't need you to tell us that.

[Damaris]

Guys, he said it wasn't true.

[Mall]

They don't believe him.

[Clay]

Not a Selena. Not a Selena Power. But like, like, like, like, like, like, like, you know, like a local. Like, you know what I mean? Like, she was like.

[Mall]

She was in Myrtle beach, got a little name going crazy.

[Clay]

I don't know nothing about Myrtle. Myrtle Beach?

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

She going crazy in Myrtle beach is crazy.

[Mall]

She let put the snake around her neck and take pictures.

[Evan]

Just never go to Myrtle beach and you'll be fine because, you know, when.

[Clay]

You go around the area, be like, ew, ew. I don't want to get that energy.

[Mall]

Nah, that's.

[Evan]

Yeah.

[Clay]

When she starts.

[Evan]

She start hugging the security guards at the club.

[Clay]

Then it's like, pouch. You like, yo. They like, yo. I'm like, bro, you want some, bro?

[Mall]

Yeah, me about it. Like, yo, look at your boy. And I was like, I'm talking. I didn't say that we were gonna see you today, but I just laughed. I was like, we're gonna have that conversation. Did you know. Did you know anybody from the cast before y'all got on the show, like, because everybody is from North Carolina, right?

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Did you know anybody from.

[Clay]

It's funny, I knew ad's ex boyfriend, but I didn't really.

[Evan]

The one that pressed you?

[Clay]

Nah, the ex boyfriend that pressed me was more recent. I would say he was.

[Mall]

So you knew AD before the show?

[Clay]

Oh, you had heard of her? I heard about her. I didn't know you heard about her. Like, so there was a dude that's my peer. I would say he's my age range. And one of my homeboys showed me a picture of AD when they were dating. But this is when I first moved to Charlotte. But I was talking to different women at that time. It didn't really, like, you know, you see a girl and you just like, you see her, but. But like, you don't think nothing of it. Cause, like, she had a man. So I'm not about to like, look at her like, oh, shit. Like, I mean, like, I was like, oh, that's what's up. She looked good, cool. You know what I'm saying? Like, I kept it moving. So it wasn't until like, AD had a conversation with me and we were talking about, like, you know, her ex and shit like that. So it clear. Like, I'm like, damn. I didn't. I definitely seen you before. You was talking to. Talking to old boy. But Lashella's small, so, like, it's bound to happen. But AD's probably. Probably the only one that I've seen her. Like, a picture of her.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Clay]

But I never met ad. I didn't. So, like, in the pod.

[Mall]

So did you know it was her at the pod?

[Clay]

I didn't know her voice.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Clay]

I never. I never had a conversation with her.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Clay]

So in the pods, when I was talking to ad, it was like all branded. I didn't really. It didn't.

[Mall]

So when the doors open and you saw her, you was like, oh, this?

[Clay]

Nah, it didn't click. It didn't click until she told me who her ex boyfriend was. Yeah, they clicked and I was like, damn, damn. Okay, I met you. I know your ex. Oh, okay.

[Mall]

What was that conversation like?

[Clay]

I don't know. I guess I just had to. Kept it pimping.

[Mall]

Wait, you didn't let her know that you knew him?

[Clay]

No, I did.

[Mall]

And what did she say?

[Clay]

Like, she gotta keep it pimping. Like, yo, it is what it is. It is what it is. Like, what's she about to do? Like, damn. Like, I mean, like, she. I mean, I don't. I'm not like, it's not like, me and her ex boyfriend was like, yeah, y'all wasn't homies. We wasn't homies. Like, we was acquaintances. I'm not even acquaintances. Like, we just seen each other out.

[Mall]

Just seen each other in past.

[Clay]

We'll dap each other up and keep it moving. You know what I'm saying? Like, so how you feel about that, though? Like, when you see a nigga but like, like, like, like, yeah, yeah, keep it. Keep it happen.

[Mall]

Even in a big city like New York. Like, it happens.

[Clay]

It happens.

[Evan]

Yeah, it happens in New York.

[Mall]

I know it happens in every city. It happens. If it's certain women that are just.

[Evan]

Yeah.

[Clay]

How y'all move with no situation, though? When it's like, this nigga kind of.

[Mall]

Cool, though, you start looking at the girl. Like, either you start recognizing her type or you realize she don't have a type. Like, it's like, oh, you just. Cause me and homie ain't got nothing in common. We're nothing alike. Cause I've been in that situation where it's like, okay, I could see kind of how you like me and you used to date him. I could see that. And then I've been in situations like, yo, you used to talk to him. Me and him are nothing alike. How did that even. So it goes both ways. But, I mean, you get to a point where you just understand, like, he was outside. He was moving around in a certain circle. I was outside. I'm moving around a certain circle. This woman's obviously very attractive. Whatever. Whatever. It's bound to happen eventually. It's bound to happen.

[Damaris]

Well, we have another voicemail for you guys. Let's see if Clay could give some listeners some more advice.

[Mall]

Clay is saving the world.

[Rory]

This one's a little sicker. I saved this one for last.

[Caller]

Everybody at the Rory Ma podcast, I got a situation I need you guys to weigh in on. I'll make it brief, as brief as I can. My brother is currently with a white woman. We're black men, and he got her pregnant. That's all fine and dandy until you find out that she had a history of being racist towards black woman. I have three sisters, and she apparently went on a tear.

[Rory]

Any initial comments before?

[Clay]

I think.

[Mall]

No, this is. This sounds like a great. Sounds like a. I want to watch this.

[Evan]

No, this gets a regular interracial relationship.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's my parents. All right, here we go.

[Caller]

Against this black girl, calling her the N word, calling her a monkey, all over some boyfriend drama from a few years back. And this happened semi recently, like she was pregnant while this was happening. Nobody's told my brother. I don't know. I didn't know about this until late. I'm away from the family drama. I stay away from all that. I live hours away from everybody. So I only get updates from my other brother who told me everything that went down. And he told me, my brother, that the youngest brother didn't know. I asked him how's it? Why isn't anybody told him? And he said nobody. Like, the youngest brother is very stubborn, which is true. But ultimately it should be, you know, his. He should have knowledge that his baby mom is about to be a racist. Like we don't need another logic in the world. No shade to logic, but I just want to know, should I tell him? My mom knows and she's the one that found out because she was sending DMS about it. My sister knows. Everybody in the family knows except for the guy. So what do I do?

[Clay]

Thanks.

[Rory]

He, he, he added more context and then I. Let me just play it because just. It gets worse.

[Caller]

To give you guys the full context to how everybody knows except for my brother, the girl who's being targeted sent DMS to my mom of the inner of that interaction. My mom said it to my sister and my sister pretty much said it to everybody except for my brother. When my other brother found out, he told me a little bit later, like maybe like a week after he found out. And I haven't told him because I have no like, like have I text the man and say, yo, your girl's racist? Because everybody told me. Except nobody. And nobody told you that. Just causing more controversy. Like I don't mind doing that shit because I'm bored. But really it's more so like, why would I put myself in that situation? Why would I put him in that situation? Why would I put everybody in that situation? I'd rather him him get it from the people who have the screenshots, people that heard it directly from the person. So that's the full context to it.

[Mall]

I mean, I just like the fact that he said I'll do it because I'm bored. Like I don't give a.

[Evan]

But good honesty.

[Mall]

He gotta tell his brother that.

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah, it's still time to push it on.

[Rory]

But his mom knows all the siblings now. Why does he have to be the bearer of bad news?

[Mall]

Because I think that the mom and the sister, you know, the women of his family, family, it's going to be a different energy coming from them, especially.

[Evan]

If she Was targeting black women in her race.

[Mall]

That's gonna be a different. Like, the brother, he needs to be the one to be like, yo, listen.

[Rory]

His other brother knows, too.

[Evan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mall]

But I mean, obviously, he's the brother that they probably feel like will convey that message in the best way. Like, it's a reason why they're not telling. First of all, they feel like the brother is not gonna take that.

[Clay]

Wait, she pregnant, though, right?

[Mall]

She's pregnant. She's having a little monkey, but that's what she said. But yeah, as. As a brother, you got to tell. You got to tell your brother that. Are you kidding me? How do you not have that? I don't know how he didn't have this conversation already.

[Rory]

If she's that racist, why she keeping the baby?

[Damaris]

Oh, those are the ones.

[Mall]

Oh, you know, they got. They got. They got to have their first.

[Evan]

You must be new to.

[Clay]

You know, Japan is one. You know, Japan wants black men.

[Rory]

I. I saw that article.

[Mall]

Look at. Look, you got your. You got your flight book?

[Clay]

No, they gotta get me. They gotta. They gotta talk about some compensation.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not just going over there.

[Clay]

No, I'm not about to. They women.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Clay]

N. Out of here.

[Mall]

No, I'm not. But. But yeah, no, he got to tell his brother that's some real. That's real life. That's racist.

[Evan]

That was crazy.

[Mall]

So they got to give me some.

[Damaris]

Like, y'all are enough. Like, I didn't need an extra dog.

[Clay]

One of us.

[Damaris]

I. Like, I really did not need another one's.

[Rory]

One of us.

[Mall]

No. That's why I said.

[Evan]

I don't know if we should edit that or keep it.

[Clay]

Keep it. Keep it. It.

[Mall]

Keeping that. No, listen, listen, Clay, I told you. First conversation I knew.

[Clay]

Population is getting old.

[Mall]

So what do they do?

[Clay]

They turn to black men for a solution.

[Mall]

Check it out.

[Clay]

Black men, Japan needs you.

[Damaris]

Japan is calling specifically for black men.

[Rory]

Now, I know you were saying why, Tasha?

[Damaris]

They said they need babies and black.

[Rory]

Men, so, yeah, to Clay's point. But they just want black men to be the.

[Mall]

The seed.

[Rory]

The seed spreaders of their next. The next generation.

[Clay]

This Japanese woman.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Clay]

Oh, word.

[Mall]

Like, you might go back and find a nice little Japanese woman, though.

[Clay]

Yeah, whatever.

[Damaris]

So, Clay. So it was all rumors. You really only like black women?

[Clay]

I like black women. I want to marry a black woman.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

So, okay, see, they was putting that. They was putting that white woman fucking stain on you. I ain't put that stain on you.

[Clay]

Yeah, I like black women, but, like, I Get it, man. I could get it. Whatever. You know what I mean?

[Mall]

You know what it is? You were in a pod, and it was. It was a lot of white women in that pod. And I think that when you didn't probably. It didn't last with AD it didn't go all the way. Well, it went all the way except for the last 10 minutes. But I think that they probably felt like he don't even like black women.

[Clay]

But it's so crazy because AD Was around white men, and black women ain't say nothing about that. Black women funny. Yeah, they funny as hell.

[Mall]

It's double standard.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Cause who was the guy that she was in between you and one other guy?

[Damaris]

Matthew.

[Clay]

Matt. Matt and Matt making money. Matt. Matt make money here. He's a. He's a. He's a. He's a good competition.

[Mall]

Like, that's all. Everything over there is like, no.

[Evan]

Y'all was talking.

[Clay]

It's all good. I be hating on him. How you going?

[Rory]

How you going?

[Clay]

How you going to trip on me? How you gonna trip on me?

[Evan]

I'm over here.

[Clay]

When AD out here, scenes with white men. It's crazy.

[Evan]

I don't follow AD Or PO Matt's a good dude.

[Clay]

Matt. That's a good dude.

[Evan]

Oh, is this her new boyfriend?

[Mall]

Other guys that.

[Clay]

She kind of had an.

[Rory]

Though now.

[Clay]

Matt had. Matt had his. He had a game on point. He was telling. He was telling women the same thing.

[Mall]

He was a serial killer.

[Rory]

He had a checklist.

[Mall]

He's a serial killer for sure.

[Rory]

What's your place to look like?

[Mall]

1. 100%. He's a serial killer.

[Clay]

He said. He told. He said, yo, all this. Yo, let's get out of here. I'm like, if you. If you really want to marry me, this. Yeah, this tv. Let's get married. Outside the camera. It was a cold game.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Clay]

I brought respect.

[Rory]

He was like, how much do you weigh? Like, he was. That was. He was on some shit for AD.

[Mall]

Almost fell for him.

[Clay]

Nah, she fell for that shit.

[Mall]

She almost fell.

[Clay]

You know. You know, Roy, I ain't even. I ain't even know how Matt was giving up. I ain't even watched the Matt and AD Scene. I'm watching him like, damn, I was number two.

[Mall]

You found out you was number two when the.

[Clay]

Like, damn. I guess I made the right decision.

[Evan]

That's her twin flame right there.

[Mall]

Yeah. No, he definitely. They definitely had a connection. She was. AD Was.

[Clay]

She was feeling. She was feeling, man.

[Mall]

I feel like when them doors would have opened, she would have been like, oh, nah, like I can't do it.

[Clay]

No.

[Damaris]

He started reading the Bible to her and she just.

[Clay]

No, no, it was Matt. Matt. It was the fact that Matt was telling the same game to another woman.

[Mall]

Yeah, he was playing the same game.

[Clay]

That's what got AD to me.

[Damaris]

So you didn't win. He just lost.

[Clay]

It was default. Yeah, 100%.

[Evan]

No, he just actually liked A.D. yeah.

[Clay]

I liked A.D. though. I actually wanted.

[Evan]

He had the same script, this guy. I respect it, though.

[Clay]

Yeah, he did. I respect it too. I. I ain't never kicked Matt back. And I said, bro, get it? How you get it, bro?

[Mall]

Yo, can we pull up the clip when. When the doors first open and Clay and ADC each other. Can we just show.

[Evan]

No, please.

[Damaris]

This over here. Kissing her shoulder. I said, man, I'm not meeting this.

[Mall]

Place or that chocolate. He was like, yeah, I made the right choice.

[Damaris]

Especially once he saw Megan Fox in them.

[Mall]

Yeah, no, them doors open on Clay. Clay was like, yes, yes, now.

[Clay]

But me, AD had conversation where I kind of knew. Like we had. We. We didn't have some freaky conversation in the pods. I already.

[Damaris]

You ain't know her ass was that fat.

[Clay]

Ain't no way I know. Nah, you right.

[Mall]

Cool.

[Damaris]

I was about to say, you would.

[Mall]

Have knocked that wall down. You went through that.

[Clay]

Silk SP told me she had a fat ass, though. She said it in the pods. She told me respect.

[Evan]

Respectfully. When y'all went to ER and got in the pool, me and my girl were trying to debate if it was real.

[Mall]

You could. Got that off. What?

[Clay]

I got that off.

[Mall]

No, you didn't.

[Clay]

I swear.

[Mall]

You suck dick.

[Clay]

You asked.

[Mall]

But first of all, all women do. But like, how did you ask?

[Evan]

You asked. You suck dick with Nick Lachay watching.

[Rory]

No, it's a. That was my question. You said you guys would do dirty talking in the pod. So I'm assuming I sound like. Cut me off if. If. If you're like. I'm assuming you're like beating off in the.

[Clay]

Beating off. What am I being off to?

[Mall]

Cuz she's talking to you behind the.

[Rory]

Wall and you guys are getting freaky.

[Evan]

You shouldn't be outside locked away memory.

[Mall]

N. I'm not crazy.

[Evan]

He could be beaten off in that pod. I'll get my off. Talking wise. Even though there's a camera on me.

[Rory]

Beat off during the experience at some point.

[Clay]

Nah, I didn't.

[Rory]

Cuz I would.

[Clay]

I had no phone.

[Mall]

He's telling you he didn't and you telling him he did that Julius somebody, you jerk. What are you talking about?

[Clay]

You a sick bro? You telling me you beat your dick off of. Off of. Off of just your brain?

[Mall]

If.

[Rory]

If the precedent is not saying she's talking to you and you're just beat cranking your. Like, if you guys are like at that spot. Like, if you're talking, the conversation leads to that point. I'm not saying she's like, yeah, I got a fat ass and you just whip your dick out and start cranking it. I'm not saying that sounds like you.

[Damaris]

What are you saying?

[Rory]

I'm saying did you establish like the, the.

[Clay]

The.

[Rory]

The sex talk?

[Clay]

I don't know what you look like.

[Rory]

So what imagination.

[Mall]

What the.

[Rory]

We mean you think I'm a. We had a conversation recently. Said, when's the last time you beat off freestyle?

[Mall]

Just I say.

[Rory]

I mean I have exactly not doing.

[Evan]

So you think in front of the Miller Lights that they put on the table in a Caesar salad, someone supposed to whip their dick out?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

The entire production staff.

[Clay]

Nah.

[Rory]

But there's no one in the room with you. It's just like. And they. They're not going to share.

[Evan]

America is in the room with you.

[Mall]

They're not going to not understand it. No. Nobody's doing.

[Rory]

He said they dirty talk in the po. They didn't share a. I happily dirty.

[Evan]

Talk in front of America.

[Damaris]

I don't give a about that. They asked like. He said I like head. That's not dirty.

[Rory]

He said, you suck dick good.

[Mall]

That didn't make Netflix.

[Clay]

I ain't say you suck dick. I said, do you suck dick?

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Knowing damn well her answer.

[Clay]

Yeah, you me. But I gotta find out. It's my baby by my wife.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Clay]

I gotta know. I gotta know if you delivering.

[Mall]

That's a great question. Like, this is about to be my wife.

[Clay]

Like my wife. Like I got.

[Mall]

Are you sloppy with it? Like you make a mess?

[Clay]

Like those are valid questions in mall. That's what I'm trying to say. I need some good hair. So I just had to vet it out.

[Rory]

That's what you're trying to say.

[Evan]

Instead of this about to be my wife. I want to have kids. Instead of asking like, does your family have a history of heart disease?

[Mall]

No, no, no, no.

[Clay]

Ask that already.

[Evan]

Do you suck dick?

[Clay]

I asked that already.

[Mall]

You got that out the way.

[Clay]

I got that out the way.

[Damaris]

This is like, what's the follow up question to do you suck dick? Because if she say, yeah, what was your follow up Good question?

[Mall]

Is it sloppy?

[Clay]

I think it was I think. How you sloppy? It wasn't even a follow up question. It was the way she answered it that gave me that. Yeah, give me that. Okay.

[Mall]

What did she say?

[Evan]

Nigga, he's trying to go on a date with us.

[Clay]

Money bag. Money bag.

[Mall]

I'm just saying we got what he said. It's only right we get with AD like, what was the.

[Evan]

Ask her on her date, you know.

[Clay]

Maybe like, I mean, AD Gave me an answer that made me feel like. Like we will have a good relationship.

[Mall]

But y'all have lots.

[Damaris]

She said the skin off. He said, do you suck dick? She said, that's not.

[Rory]

That's a lot of teeth.

[Damaris]

No, it ain't.

[Clay]

She made me seem like. She made me feel like it was going great and it was a good relationship. Bro, I fucked up, bro.

[Mall]

No, you. I mean, listen, man, listen. Yeah, you fucked up.

[Rory]

Wait, back to the caller. We have a racist pregnant bitch. Oh, yeah.

[Mall]

Yo, yo. Tell your brother to get rid of that fucking clan member and go find a beautiful black queen to fucking be with and marry. You can't have. Have serious. Because now the family, the mother don't like her. The sisters definitely don't like her because they know how she really feel. You can't. Unreal.

[Damaris]

And your baby gonna grow up with a racist mom. Do you know?

[Mall]

Yeah, like, it's not. It's not. I mean, hopefully the baby is healthy and everything goes great there. But as far as like a long term relationship together, it's gonna be a strain because your mother and your sisters already have a taste in their mouth about this woman that will never leave. So it's gonna be a lot of awkward family dinners. You go holidays usually.

[Evan]

I have advice. You're fucked, sir.

[Mall]

Yeah, like that's.

[Clay]

He already had the kids.

[Mall]

This is gonna go bad.

[Evan]

I don't really know what to tell you.

[Mall]

Yeah, the family already, like, they already are kind of off her. Like the mother and the sisters will never ever fuck with her on a loving, embracing level like that. Obviously the mother's gonna love the child her grandkids. But as far as like having a healthy, you know, fun relationship with your family, that's. I think that's a rap.

[Damaris]

Mark, could you ever impregnate a white woman?

[Mall]

Could I ever impregnate? I could impregnate. Would I?

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mall]

I'm not going to say no, but that wouldn't be like my first shot. Like, I wouldn't like, I would. I would hope that I would have a family with a black woman.

[Clay]

Yeah, for sure.

[Evan]

So the second shot, then?

[Mall]

No, I'm not saying I'm not. Not. It's just not the first. I don't know where it lands, but I'm not. I'm not against. I'm not against having a white wife and mixed kids, though. I'm not against. I think if you fall in love with somebody and you meet somebody, you know, the color of their skin and their race and all of that is, like, I get. It's a factor, but if this is somebody that genuinely loves you, like, and cares about you and makes you a better person and life is just fun and easy and, you know, with this person, I think for somebody to be like, oh, but you're white. I could never. Like, I think that's crazy to me. Like, I just think that that's. That's why I would hope to find that with the woman from the culture that I'm from, and that's, you know, is from the type of background that I'm from. But if it happens to be a white woman that I find that from or any other ethnicity, like, I'm not against it. I would. Would hope. I would hope that it is with a black woman, though. Okay.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Evan]

You guys. You guys have this. This same PR agent. It's great.

[Mall]

What do you mean?

[Evan]

You guys are just really good at explaining things. Do you have for a direct question?

[Damaris]

That's the number one question I want to ask them. Do you have a PR agent out here?

[Mall]

Just his third raw dog in the media.

[Clay]

Raw dog and ig My therapist, man. Yeah, that's it.

[Mall]

Shout out to your therapist, man. She seems like she cares about you. She seems like you. She got her hands full with you, though. Like, she has her work.

[Clay]

I'm a lot. I'm a lot.

[Mall]

She has her work to do with you.

[Clay]

She got.

[Mall]

But you do seem like. All jokes aside, you do seem genuinely like a nice guy. You come from a good family. You're obviously educated. You just seem like you just having fun, man. I think that's the one thing. You just having fun in front of the camera on Netflix. I think people were rooting for you.

[Clay]

As a couple with Adam.

[Mall]

Like myself, I'm not gonna lie. I thought your job was dope together. I was like, I really hope that they win. And I think when that didn't happen, it just kind of turned people off.

[Rory]

Like, yeah.

[Mall]

Oh, you still want to be outside. You still want to be a fuck boy. You still want to be. And it's like, you know, because people loved AD So much, they loved you as well, and they loved you for her. But in having this conversation today, though, you seem like a genuinely a nice guy, man. You just. You just having fun, man.

[Clay]

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Shout out to AD Man.

[Mall]

Shout out to AD Cheers.

[Rory]

Do the. Should we. Before we go into Patreon, because we're going to keep you around for Patreon as well.

[Mall]

We keeping it.

[Damaris]

We really going to get into the topic.

[Evan]

We're not more relationships, we go low high thing.

[Rory]

Let's do the cheers. But before that, let's. We're gonna talk more of the. The rap beef. The Drake, Kendrick and then a few other things. Cal Mitchell, both his two men smashed his wife. We're gonna get into some weird on Patreon.

[Clay]

All right?

[Rory]

So before that, let's do a little send off toast.

[Clay]

Let's do it, man.

[Mall]

I don't have nothing in my cup. I don't want to be disrespectful to AD But I will say AD it's nothing but love and support from the Rory and Mall show.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Mall]

You know, I did put money bags under your picture because I was just trying to show love and support for somebody that I thought was dope and kind of fell in love with her character and personality through a TV show, a reality show. But she seems to be a really. A really sweet person, a really focused.

[Evan]

Look at you still pitching her.

[Mall]

No, no, no. I follow her on Instagram. Like, she knows. She seemed like one of those girls that got her shit together. She seemed like one of those girls that's gonna be out and got her shit together. So cheers to AD D. Cheers to you too, Clay, man, I appreciate it, bro.

[Evan]

Navigating through this entire thing. I respect it. I know it's tough when they go high. We go.

[Clay]

Go low.

[Mall]

We go low.

[Rory]

But I'm. But I'm right here with you.

[Mall]

But I'm right here with you. After it's all said and done.

[Evan]

Peace.

[Clay]

No warrior now.