Episode 273 | The Contrarian

Summary

Episode 273 | The Contrarian

Release Date: May 31, 2024
Hosts: Rory & MAL
Produced by: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume

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1. Personal Updates and Family Matters

Timestamp: 01:04 - 05:35

Rory begins the episode by sharing a heartfelt update about his daughter, Amara. He discusses the removal of her cast, clarifying that the process was smoother than anticipated. Despite initial fears, Amara handled the situation gracefully, even comforting Rory during the procedure. A notable moment occurs when Rory reveals a humorous attempt by his mother to baptize Amara secretly, leading to an amusing exchange about religious practices and intentions.

Rory (02:17): "The cast actually wasn't as bad an experience as I thought it would be. She handled it like a champ."

2. The Puff Controversy and Its Implications

Timestamp: 07:08 - 23:34

The hosts delve into a critical discussion about the recent Rolling Stone article exposing misconduct by Puff Daddy (Diddy). Rory expresses frustration with the relentless media focus on Puff's alleged behavior, including a disturbing video involving a male prostitute. The conversation explores the broader impact of these revelations on Puff's legacy and the music industry.

Damaris highlights the possibility that past rumors about Puff are now being substantiated, emphasizing the media's role in bringing these issues to light. The hosts debate whether Puff might attempt to rehabilitate his image through religious avenues, questioning the feasibility given the severity of the allegations.

Damaris (08:07): "I think, unfortunately, we are going to find out that some, if not most, of those things are indeed true."

Rory speculates on the potential legal consequences Puff might face, debating whether he could escape significant charges or face a lengthy prison sentence. The conversation also touches upon the societal implications of such high-profile cases of misconduct within the music industry.

3. Ghostwriting in Hip Hop: The Drake Debate

Timestamp: 23:34 - 43:05

A substantial portion of the episode is dedicated to the contentious topic of ghostwriting in hip hop, with a particular focus on Drake. The hosts examine accusations that Drake doesn't write his own rap verses, contrasting this with other artists like Jay-Z and Nas who have faced similar scrutiny.

Damaris defends Drake, citing testimonials from collaborators and asserting that Drake does indeed pen his own bars. However, the conversation acknowledges the growing skepticism fueled by leaked reference tracks and industry rumors. The hosts debate the thin line between collaboration and ghostwriting, exploring how contracts and production credits can blur the responsibilities of artists and writers.

Damaris (24:00): "These writers, these artists are saying out of their mouths, not me, not you, these guys are saying he absolutely writes his own raps."

Rory introduces a comparison between Drake and other iconic rappers, discussing how Drake's pop-infused style differs from traditional hip hop and how this evolution might contribute to the ghostwriting allegations. The dialogue also touches on Eminem's own writing practices, setting the stage for later discussions about Eminem's upcoming project.

4. Eminem's Musical Evolution and Upcoming Projects

Timestamp: 43:05 - 55:16

The conversation shifts to Eminem, focusing on his latest single titled "Houdini" and the rumored album "The Death of Slim Shady." The hosts express mixed feelings about Eminem's current musical direction, debating whether he has lost his edge or if he's adapting to changing musical landscapes.

Damaris and Rory reminisce about Eminem's earlier albums, praising classics like "The Marshall Mathers LP" and "The Eminem Show," while critiquing his more recent releases for lacking the same impact. They discuss fan expectations versus Eminem's artistic choices, pondering whether his upcoming work will resonate with longtime fans or attract criticism for perceived shortcomings.

Mal (44:38): "Eminem is a goat. We don't even have to debate that."

The hosts speculate on the potential success of the "Houdini" single, debating whether it will set the tone for Eminem's next phase. They also touch upon Eminem's legacy, questioning how his new projects will influence his standing in the rap community and among the general public.

5. Listener Voicemails: Navigating Relationship Conflicts

Timestamp: 57:00 - 100:05

In a segment dedicated to listener voicemails, Rory and MAL address a caller named John Tay from St. Louis, seeking advice on handling arguments with his partner. The caller expresses a desire to avoid conflicts by recognizing when he's wrong and admitting his mistakes.

The hosts provide actionable advice, emphasizing the importance of self-awareness, humility, and effective communication in relationships. They discuss strategies for de-escalating conflicts, the significance of admitting fault, and the psychological benefits of fostering mutual respect and understanding.

Rory (95:25): "I mean, he has the awareness. You just have to remind yourself of the awareness when the ego and rage starts to ensue."

Damaris and Rory also explore deeper emotional dynamics, suggesting that unresolved personal issues can exacerbate conflicts and hinder constructive dialogue. They advocate for continuous personal growth and the cultivation of healthy relationship habits to sustain long-term partnerships.

6. Light-Hearted Banter and Pop Culture References

Timestamp: 100:05 - 124:54

Towards the end of the episode, the hosts engage in playful discussions about various light-hearted topics, including favorite ice cream trucks, childhood memories of specific treats, and humorous anecdotes about dating and food consumption habits. This segment serves to balance the heavier discussions with moments of levity, showcasing the hosts' chemistry and shared sense of humor.

They also touch upon pop culture elements like wrestling events and the portrayal of stereotypes in media, weaving these topics into their ongoing banter about personal experiences and societal observations.

Damaris (121:04): "I remember one time I was about Tweety Bird."

7. Closing Remarks and Shoutouts

Timestamp: 124:54 - End

In their closing remarks, Rory and MAL offer shoutouts to fellow artists and projects, encouraging listeners to support music that aligns with meaningful causes. They highlight Belly's "96 Miles from Bethlehem," praising its relevance to the Gaza conflict and Belly's Palestinian heritage.

The hosts conclude by directing listeners to their website and Patreon for additional content, fostering a sense of community and ongoing engagement with their audience.

Damaris (127:48): "Shout out to Vince Staples for another dope project."

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Key Takeaways:

• Personal Growth: Rory shares insightful experiences balancing fatherhood and personal challenges, illustrating the importance of family support.
• Industry Accountability: The discussion on Puff Daddy underscores the necessity for accountability within the music industry and the role of media in uncovering the truth.
• Artistic Integrity: The debate surrounding Drake's ghostwriting raises questions about authenticity and the collaborative nature of modern hip hop.
• Legacy and Evolution: Eminem's ongoing musical evolution prompts reflections on how artists adapt while maintaining their legacy.
• Relationship Wisdom: Listener voicemails offer practical advice on navigating conflicts, emphasizing communication and self-awareness.
• Community Engagement: The hosts foster a supportive community by recognizing fellow artists and encouraging listeners to support meaningful projects.

This episode of New Rory & MAL weaves together personal anecdotes, critical industry discussions, and community interactions, offering listeners a multifaceted exploration of topics relevant both inside and outside the music world.

Transcript

[Rory]

Damaris, you and I on a date. Brussels sprouts come, we're splitting. And I go, oh, wow.

[Mal]

Okay. Not the way.

[Damaris]

Look how nasty that shoulder was. Now what are you.

[Rory]

I can't do that. You would not allow to enjoy food like that. I can't do that.

[Mal]

You did it gay. But me and when we had the.

[Rory]

You did it gay.

[Mal]

Yeah, Julian was like, oh. Like, Julian was like, oh, wow, these are good. Like, we were surprised.

[Rory]

Oh, wow.

[Damaris]

Julian is gay. Are you watching Sex in the City? He's also a gay man. And it's okay no worry Enough Sickity Nick.

[Rory]

Sickity Nick.

[Julian]

Hide.

[Rory]

Some help.

[Damaris]

Get rid of these. For what it was it is what it is Whatever you did, it is.

[Rory]

What it is and I'm so tired.

[Damaris]

I fuck with a mob and I.

[Rory]

Got ties Knock you off to pay their ties they want me gone but don't know why it's too late for.

[E]

All that lovey dovey shit I'm your.

[Damaris]

Brother shit all that other shit it's.

[Rory]

Too late for all that it's too late for all that hey. It's too late for all that lovey.

[Damaris]

Dovey shit all right, man, so we're back.

[Rory]

We are back.

[Damaris]

Yo, listen, so how. How did Amara. I know you had Amara's cast removed.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Damaris]

This week. I know that was like a real trying, tough time for you as a. As a first time father. If this was like your third kid, this would probably.

[Rory]

Whatever.

[Damaris]

Yeah, it's like, all right, whatever.

[Rory]

That's like Kevin McAllister. You forget they're even, like, there.

[Damaris]

Exactly. But this is your first time. How was it?

[Rory]

The cast actually wasn't as bad as an experience as I thought it would be. She handled it like a champ. You should have seen the female dog that I turned into when that saw came out to saw her cast off, like, I thought. I'm thinking with kids, like, they probably soak it and then it's just gonna, like, de. Mummify them or something. Like, there's no way they break out the saw.

[Damaris]

Your daughter wasn't mummified. She just had a cast on.

[Rory]

It is kind of like mummifying someone, though.

[Damaris]

I guess so. Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah. They're taking like, you know, arts and crafts.

[E]

It's like paper mache.

[Rory]

Yeah. Just putting it around their leg when we used to.

[Damaris]

Had to build a volcano with the toilet tissue roll and. Yeah. Kind of like. Yeah, it's kind of the same thing.

[Rory]

It was a wild motion.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that was. That was like.

[Rory]

That was crazy.

[Mal]

Again, you went back and did it.

[Damaris]

Wow.

[E]

You double back on it.

[Damaris]

Flashbacks. I just had flashbacks. My bad.

[Rory]

You pepper grind with volcano flashbacks?

[Damaris]

No, just in a, you know, night with a young lady. But, yeah.

[Rory]

Anyway, you were the Coca Cola. What's the mix that made the Mountain?

[E]

Not Mountain Dew, Coke and Mentos.

[Rory]

Mentos, yeah. She Mentos you.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But, yeah. I almost hit an octave. I've never hit. When that saw started, how did Amara do? She was cool. She was crying because it. Like, it's loud.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

But she wasn't really looking at the saw. I'm staring at the saw, holding her arms and her leg to, like, make sure she doesn't throw a finger into the saw.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And, like, this guy's just casually sawing something off a toddler's leg like it's nothing.

[E]

Yeah, but aren't they soft saws? They don't cut. They don't pierce skin.

[Damaris]

Yeah, no, they don't.

[Rory]

That looks like it could pierce some skin.

[Damaris]

But it's just the noise and the fact that it is something cutting. People assume like it's a saw that you fucking cut four by fours with. But it's not. It's just specifically for that. For the cast.

[Rory]

You would have swore I was getting my entire cast off because.

[Damaris]

Well, I'm glad. She terrified.

[Rory]

It was. It was like a scene out of Saw.

[Damaris]

I'm glad. I'm glad. Amara took it better than you did, she said.

[Rory]

Yeah, she rubbed my back.

[Damaris]

Yeah, she.

[Rory]

She held Meyer, told me. Told me to calm down.

[Damaris]

Helped you through it.

[Rory]

It's going to be okay.

[Damaris]

Everything healed up?

[Rory]

Yeah, everything's good now. She's just got, like, a stupid boot on her leg, which takes about another week, but she's moving around, so it was cool.

[Damaris]

All right, well, good prayers for Amara and a speedy recovery for her. Prayers for you, too, Dad. I mean, I know that was a tough time for you.

[Rory]

I found out my mom took Amara to, like, some type of mass over Memorial Day weekend. Like, she had Amara. Like, she went for a walk and.

[Damaris]

Just walk and walk to a mass.

[Rory]

And you guys know that area that I live by? They were doing, like, some memorial service mass in the graveyard right over there.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

So I found out my mom, who I caught trying to secretly baptize Amara in a bathtub.

[Mal]

Really?

[Rory]

Then wait. Then snuck my baby to a graveyard so she could go to a Catholic mass.

[Damaris]

Wait a minute, wait a minute. Your mom tried to secretly baptize? Yes, her grandchild.

[Rory]

Her. One of her close friends did it with her daughter's kid. That's where she got the idea. And then I was like, mom, you're not a priest. Like, you.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Like, I don't. I'm about to say, is your mom.

[Rory]

Like, what original sin are you. She's next to a rubber ducky.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Like, what does she YouTube that? YouTube how to baptize your.

[Rory]

Her friend told her how to do it.

[Mal]

She's trying to save Amara's soul.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but your friend can't tell you how to b. That's not how that goes.

[E]

What do you put in the water? Like, Eucalypt? Like Epsom salt? Like, what makes it Jesus water.

[Rory]

I don't really know what the process was, except for. Hey, what are you doing? Why is there a Bible in the bathroom when there wasn't? This is in a hotel room, yo.

[Damaris]

Wait, so your mom tried to baptize her?

[Rory]

Yes.

[Damaris]

And you walked in on it. Was it like a. Was it like, the lights off? Like, what was the.

[Rory]

No, it was just a setting with a Bible. And that was. I was like, what are you doing with a Bible? And then she confessed.

[E]

She's like, I'm reading.

[Damaris]

That is some of the funniest.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

And scary.

[Rory]

My friend Annie baptized her granddaughter secretly in a bathtub, and I was trying to do the same thing. At least in that moment. It was like a reconciliation. She didn't lie. She did confess her sins to me.

[Damaris]

Okay. Naturally. Right. The Bible's right here. I can't lie in front of the Bible.

[E]

I just.

[Rory]

Well, Kendrick said you could hide it, man.

[E]

None of that. Just let her throw some ashes. Let her throw some ashes on Amara's head and dunk her head in some water. It doesn't matter. Just let her do it for peace of mind.

[Damaris]

What?

[E]

None of that matters is on my. But it doesn't matter to him or Kia, so. So let her do it to make her feel good about herself and then just let it go away.

[Rory]

I wouldn't particularly care. I just think it would be weird to try to do it, like, at a church that I didn't go to.

[Damaris]

Right.

[Rory]

Like, pulling up somewhere in Jersey City to try to, like, baptize. Like, yo, we don't go here, but can I learn?

[Damaris]

Yeah. That's just so such a random thing to walk in the bathroom and just see, like, you're trying to baptize. I don't know. I just. I've never heard of that before.

[Rory]

Yeah. Is that white people Catholicism? Yeah, it's pretty white.

[E]

I was baptized, but again, no. Like, properly, no. They dunked me well, yeah, the church. Yeah.

[Mal]

They ain't dunk you hard.

[Damaris]

They've all been there.

[E]

Nah, it's a little wet.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that water was, like, turned black. That was fish tank water.

[E]

It just activated my curls.

[Rory]

Yeah, but then you gotta, like, just start thinking about why you get baptized in, like, original sin. And then you just have so many other questions that put you in a dark rabbit hole of.

[Damaris]

Yeah, like what?

[Rory]

What incest? Is that the original sin? What are we doing here?

[Damaris]

That's one of them, probably. Yeah.

[Rory]

What are we doing? She ate the apple. There was a snake from a rib. She was hungry. Y'all were the two. Two first people here. Y'all was. That's weird.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Never mind.

[Damaris]

Well, I'm glad Amar is okay.

[Rory]

My mother was my Sunday school teacher forever, and.

[Damaris]

And.

[Rory]

And I wasn't allowed to ask questions.

[Damaris]

All good. So, yeah. Back another week. Some more interesting things have come out since we've been gone. Let's get into it.

[Rory]

I kind of wanted, like, a cleanse. This is a selfish thing. I wanted to cleanse this week of anything Puff related or Drake related, for that matter. Two things that I could not escape this entire week. I didn't fully get through this Rolling Stone article that is about Puff and what they've been doing for the last six months. Talking to former bad boy employees, artists, people that were around him, family. I get it. And this is important.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But I needed, like, a week to just not think about Puff and his nasty behavior. But I don't think timeline wouldn't let me.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I don't think this is something that's going away anytime soon. I think, unfortunately, this is just the very beginning of it. Um, I think that, you know, as more things come out, we are most likely going to come to realize that a lot of the things, rumors and gossips that we've heard over the years about Puff and his lifestyle that we kind of just, like, waved off and was like, yeah, right. I think, unfortunately, we are going to find out that some, if not most, of those things are indeed true.

[Rory]

This is how I knew the media was, like, really sick. Outside of the Rolling Stone article, at the top of the week, there was a headline saying, the feds have uncovered a video of Puff victimizing a male prostitute in his house or some shit.

[E]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And then they used a picture of Puff in, like, the shower in, like, the fetal position. And that's what I had to scroll past for at least 72 hours. Why is that? Puff's getty image. He's, like, curled up in the shower like this, and the water is just coming down on him. And that's the photo they chose to spread all this news.

[Damaris]

What does that symbolize?

[Rory]

Sodomy in a shower?

[Damaris]

Yeah. I don't.

[Mal]

The washing of his sins.

[Damaris]

Oh, your mom should have gave Puff.

[Rory]

I mean, that's what Puff is gonna do.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

He's gonna start a church. He's gonna be reborn Christianity. That's definitely gonna happen. So I don't know, maybe this is the photo that he sent to media. This was his press pick. Was like, yo, all right, if you're gonna do this, should at least get the one of washing the sins off me.

[Damaris]

It's funny that you say that, because.

[Rory]

I went to see a locker room shower, though.

[Damaris]

I went to see.

[Rory]

Is that the.

[Damaris]

Why I went to see Mona. Don't Call me White Girl. She had a live podcast.

[Mal]

Really?

[Damaris]

Jersey the other day. So I went to see her. I went to check her out because she was in Brooklyn, I think, last week, and I didn't know about that show. Shout out to my guy Tom, one of the producers and hosts on the show. Been supporting him for a while. Happy to see his growth and everything. But. Shout out to Mona. She's super dope, super funny. Had a great show. If you ever get a chance to go see her, it's worth it. Shout out to Mona. Much love and respect to her. And she said that I told her we're in Philly soon, in July. So she said she's definitely gonna come by and come come see us. So she out to Mona. Don't call me white girl. Shout out to Tom. Shout out to Phelps.

[Mal]

Mona is hilarious.

[Damaris]

No, she's.

[Rory]

She's very funny.

[Damaris]

She's funny. But that was. That was one thing that she said at the show. She was like, oh, y'all know what. You know what Puff gonna do? He gonna, you know, go to turn into the. The pastor T.D.

[E]

Jake. That's his man.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Like, he's gonna. Whatever. I, I, I, unfortunately, with his disciple King Lo, I don't think that that's gonna happen. I could see it happening if maybe some of the things that the feds are investigating, they weren't under investigation. I do think that it's going to be some severe jail time at the end of this, though. So I don't know if that is going to be possible. I don't know if the church route is going to be possible.

[Rory]

I think. I think he will go to jail, but I'm not sure if they're going to be able to get him on some of like the major crimes we already saw with the Cassie thing, the statute of limitations and all that. I think he's going to find his way out of the charges. That could like land him in jail for over 20 years. But I think he will sit down for a little bit.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Come about reborn. And you know, it's all about Jesus and we all have to heal and who are we as Christians to judge somebody.

[Damaris]

Yeah. But I don't know if people can.

[Rory]

Make sure you donate to him.

[Damaris]

I don't know if people can support somebody that. Because you know, people, you know, when people usually turn to church, it's usually things, you know, tax evasion, things like that. When it's, you talking about some of these crimes and that he's being alleged of committing, I don't see how he can go do jail time, come home, start, you know, become a pastor and start his own church and people will actually go and support it because of the charges and the allegations that especially after seeing the video of.

[Rory]

Well, I mean it can.

[Damaris]

I don't see people going to a church to watch him speak out.

[Rory]

No, I mean it can fit the church narrative the same way we were talking about with like Republican news spots. This fit their Democratic narrative as far as how nasty Democrats are. He could walk into a church and say, the music industry is the devil. It took over me. I went in as a Christian man. My mother raised me this way. Then I got into the industry and the devil took me over. And then finally I got rid of the devil. Like this is set up. This is it. I'm not, I'm not gays no more. Whatever that that gay guy said.

[Damaris]

Oh, I don't, I don't like men's.

[Mal]

I don't like men's no more. Damn, Roy, you seem like you thought about this. This your. Your way out too.

[Rory]

No way out.

[Mal]

Like you see like you. That was like thought out so mad.

[Damaris]

I could never listen to that album again. Great album.

[Rory]

No, I didn't think this through through. But I've. You've seen this was pastors on like a lower level. If you really get into a lot of pastors from your neighborhood and who they were before, it gets a little nastier than like maybe they were doing home invasions were just on the wrong side of the tracks. Some of them were nasty as and this was their way up. Yeah, and they'll even give you fucking hints in their sermons sometimes.

[E]

Speaking of no way out. One of the sickest things from this article is when Biggie passed, the COVID of Rolling Stone was going to put Biggie on it, but Puff said, fuck that, put me on it. Because he wanted to use it as an opportunity to promote his album no Way Out. So, you know, he said, I was telling Sean. Here's a quote from the article. I was telling Sean, let's make it Biggie. You still have a chance for the COVID in the future. Burrows, the rep from Rolling Stone, recalls. He was like, no, he's dead. I'm putting out his album no Way out in July. I need to be on the COVID of Rolling Stone. And then this is the official cover that came out.

[Damaris]

Burrows was actually. I think he may have been. He worked for Bad Boy or.

[E]

Sorry.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[E]

But, yeah, anyway, Biggie fake tattoo.

[Rory]

Does he have a big tattoo or they just do that for the COVID.

[Mal]

If that's just for the COVID that's nasty.

[E]

Probably for the COVID Yeah.

[Damaris]

I think that was just for the cut. I mean, he might. I don't know. I've never looked at Puff's chest like.

[Rory]

That, but neither have I. That's why I'm asking.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I don't. I don't know which tattoo he has on his chest, but, you know, a lot of these things now looking, you know, now that we have a lot of these things to go back to and look at, of course things are gonna look a lot different now with some of these, you know, the information and the confessions and the interviews that we're getting from a bunch of people. A lot of things from, you know, such a prestigious, monumental era in music and hip hop from one of the most iconic labels, a lot of these things are going to start to look a lot different. A lot of these things are going to start to come across a lot different. And that's one of the things that, you know, I'm looking down the line at is like, how much of my childhood and things that I thought was super cool and dope and how much of that changes and looks completely fucked up now. Yeah, that's one of the things that I've been thinking about with this whole Puff situation. You know, I'm a little older than everybody in the room, so I remember that time better than most of y'all. And it was a. It was a really dope time and dope moment. Just for music, for hip hop, for New York.

[Rory]

Yeah. You guys remind us how much cooler it was in our era.

[Damaris]

Yeah, pretty often. Oh, so much. So much cooler. But.

[Rory]

But it wouldn't even let me, like Nelly.

[Damaris]

But But. But is it cooler though, now? You see what I'm saying? Like now with a lot of this, a lot of this ain't cool.

[Rory]

I don't know. I unfortunately feel like abuse is across the board for generations. Generation.

[Damaris]

Every generation has this.

[Rory]

I don't. I don't know if it's any different than mine because I don't think it's a hip hop problem. I think it's a life problem. And yeah, I'm sure my era has its fair share of abusers as well. That will come to the light soon. And some that have already come to light, but everyone just kept scrolling. Yeah, so, I mean, I hear you, but I don't think my generation is any different. I don't think the generation before you was any different. Hopefully generation after us will be, but I don't know. Well, my daughter didn't get baptized.

[Damaris]

I gotta. I gotta read that Rolling Stone article, Julian. I know. You said you read it.

[E]

Yeah, a couple things that were just circulating the timeline. I mean, it just kind of emboldens what we've. What we've learned from Diddy, this whole thing. But it's cool because there's more personal anecdotes. So, like, Wendy Williams is firing from Hot 97 was directly caused because she called Diddy gay on air. And he wasn't playing that, so he had her removed from the station.

[Rory]

She had a gay list. Remember Wendy Williams gay list?

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[E]

Well, she was one for one. At least she had Diddy. Right. And then Biggie. This was also, again, rumors swirling around the time of Biggie's death. He was ready to leave Puff because he wanted to own his publishing. There was a lot of legal battles. Puff was. Had him in like a chokehold creatively and financially and. And Biggie was very much ready to get out of that deal right before his passing.

[Rory]

Yeah, him and. Him and unwra trying to go to Epic.

[E]

Yeah. So it's just, you know, outside of the nasty sexual stuff, it's just a lot of control and power on everybody that he came in contact with, whether it be from the label employee side to the. To the artist side as well. So it's just. It kind of reaffirms what we knew, but just with more personal anecdotes. It's a really good read too.

[Rory]

Yeah. Saw some people from Howard that he went to school with were discussing, oh.

[E]

He was a terrible person in college.

[Damaris]

Oh, my God.

[Rory]

It was. It was a lot of the stuff that I did read. I read the entire thing. But the excerpts Were more nasty shit, more believable shit. But yeah, it will remain to be seen what happens. Like, I'm happy the stories are getting out, but what's going to be done with it? What's going to be the consequences?

[E]

Andre Harrell got rid of him, created distance from him and his whole thing. And then that kind of unfortunately became like the spark that's. That led Puff on his own develop at what became Bad Boy. But yeah, it's just. It's sickening. And you can just see the dominoes falling on in. In place to make someone that's already deranged. Because to your point, at Howard, he was a demon. Even in college, before he had any money, any real notoriety. He was an awful person then.

[Rory]

So, yeah, you know, so even Valletta Wallace, which I don't think this was in the Rolling Stone article, but they did cover a quote of her saying she wants to slap the daylight out of Puff.

[E]

Yep.

[Rory]

To get. Getting a Christian Jamaican woman to say that, you gotta do some nasty shit.

[Damaris]

Yeah. And you know, for Ms. Wallace to say that, that means that, you know, she's heard or learned enough to be at that point where she feels like, you know, those are the words she wants to say because she's. Ms. Wallace doesn't. I've never. I thought that was a fake quote. That's why I was like, wait, what is that? Because I've never seen Ms. Wallace being quoted speaking that way or, you know, talking that way. So she's obviously upset about some. Some findings and some things that she's learned. I'm pretty sure she's had years of people telling her things that she probably didn't believe or didn't think were going on.

[Rory]

She's been kind of vocal, I feel like since Big's passing against Puff, I mean, they were cordial at one point.

[Damaris]

More so what? That was more so on the business.

[Rory]

Side of things, though, because, I mean, she wasn't around like that. She was home.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So, I mean, she had a gripes about business stuff. But I'm sure she has had conversations with Cs Kim, people that were around some nasty and heard her. Her fair share of stories.

[E]

They said, like in the article, you. I never knew this, but Puff, his nickname came from. They said when he was younger, when he would get angry, which was often, he would often huff and Puff.

[Mal]

Oh, he was one of them.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[E]

Literally, when I read that, I pictured those kids I used to teach in Chicago used to hold their breath, had some anger issues. And you'd see Them in the back of class, like, oh, that's Puff.

[Mal]

Nobody saw the red flags from that.

[E]

That. That starts when you're. Exactly. That starts when you're in grade school. Like, and then that develops over time. You become a man. You have strength now. And then physical rage is your most easiest way to get out your anger. You can't communicate. You hit. Like, I don't think that's a mentally ill. I just think that's bad. Like, parenting, learning pattern, behaviors like that. So I start other developmentally stuff. I don't think, like, he went crazy, but that's my.

[Damaris]

Okay. And you're. And you're correcting what you're saying. But again, I'm speaking to you would. We've never really seen signs that would lead us to think that he was like that.

[Mal]

Well, we're not hanging out.

[Rory]

Yeah, it wasn't next to him.

[Mal]

Yeah, you don't show that type of stuff.

[E]

I'm sure we would have.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[E]

Like, sounds like plenty of people saw him abuse people.

[Rory]

But we've seen then, like, we've seen.

[Damaris]

People that are public figures that we. In any capacity that we see them, whether it's, you know, television, radio, whatever, you can kind of pick up on things like.

[Mal]

Like who?

[Damaris]

I mean, there's been a few people that we've seen. I mean, I. No name really jumps out at the top of my head because I'm focused on this. But my thing is sometimes you can kind of see people and be like, yo, something. Something is off with this dude right here.

[Mal]

So I think, like, to me, Puff.

[Damaris]

Has done a great job at kind of masking all of that and kind of like, keeping that for somebody that's been in the spotlight, under the spotlight that he's been under so long, he's been able to keep that away from it better than anybody that I could probably think of that was under this type of spotlight for so many years. Like, it's like, bro, how many people have worked under him and been around him that now we understand that. Know that they're doing interviews and they're talking about it. But, like, these people never really spoke to this until a few years ago.

[Rory]

I mean, Kanye, Kanye west, you didn't need to be next to or be around to know that he probably has some mental health issues.

[Damaris]

Right, Puff?

[Rory]

But again, Puff's also a businessman where Kanye is a super creative and doesn't really give a single fuck how he comes across. Where Puff, being the good businessman that he is, will know how to mask everything because he's so brand aware of what he's saying, what he's doing, how he's being perceived. To me, that's not mental illness. And I think there are narcissists that have mental illness, but not every narcissist is mentally ill. Some of them are just fudgeing, ego driven and terrible human beings. Like that also exists too. I don't think mental health, but you should always be a reason for everything, per se.

[Mal]

But you could be mentally ill and still be a shitty person. Like mental illness does not, does not like take away. Oh, you're not a shitty person cause you're mentally ill. Yeah, you could be a mentally ill. Yeah, absolutely.

[Damaris]

That type of behavior, to be able to turn that on and off like that that's a mental. Something is off mentally something is like off balance for you to be able to be this person that they're alleging in these lawsuits, in these documents and obviously the feds have seized video footage for you to have that going on and to be able to kind of like jump in and out of that world and into a world where people know that none of that is going on, that's something mentally that's like, how are you able to do that?

[Rory]

I. I think hush money plays more into it than having some mental illness to turn it on and off. Because like we said before, Puff did that in a public hallway. And when we're reading about this Howard shit he's been doing in hallways forever, he doesn't know when to turn it off and when to turn it on. He knows how to clean it up. Yeah, I think a mentally ill person would know how to turn that rage and only do it privately. And that's a whole different mind state, I think. I think Puff is Puff all the time and just knows how to move, knows how to pay.

[Damaris]

But yeah, unfortunately, I think that, you know, again, this is something that is just the beginning of the end, obviously. And there's more to come and more things that we are going to learn that are unfortunate and nasty and dark and discussion and you know, I think that we've all heard things obviously Rory, over the years and you know, we kind of say, nah, there's no way and ignore a lot of. I think a lot of those things unfortunately are going to be proven to be real and true and actually did happen. So as much as we don't want to continue talking about this type of. I think that we are going to have to because there's going to be more to come.

[Rory]

So, yeah, another generational thing that I think your. Your generation invented. Didn't escape my timeline all week. Ghost writing, Michelle. Swag.

[Damaris]

That's our swag. Yeah.

[Rory]

You guys invented ghost. Ghost writing.

[Damaris]

I don't think people know what ghost writing is.

[Mal]

I don't think they do either.

[Rory]

Rappers Delight. That's ghost writing.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but ghost writing means that somebody wasn't credited for writing.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Damaris]

I think that all of these songs or reference tracks that are coming out, I don't check all of you know, the spooky credits and things like that, but I'm pretty sure all of these people have been credited on all of these records.

[Rory]

Before we get into this, who do you think really coined that term? Do you think it was Kanye, College dropout when he was telling the story of ghost writing. I'm sorry, Ghost producing for D Dot. And then D Dot came out and was like, bro, you were credited on everything. Got paid. That's not ghost producing. Yeah, like, you worked on records with me. You got your credit. You're in the Harlem world. Credits.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You got paid. You did not ghost produce. You collabed with me. Do we think Kanye started this? This whole ghost writing?

[Damaris]

No, ghost writing was a term way before.

[Rory]

No, I know that, but I'm saying this praise and this focus on it. I don't think it was really a thing until Kanye became such a superstar that he kind of forced people the way 50 forced people to look at numbers. I almost feel like Kanye forced people to look at credits when he just kept rapping about, yo, I did this blueprint beat. I did this. Yo just did this, like.

[Damaris]

Well, I think in this situation, I think the. The Meek and Drake battle is what caused people to start using this term when it comes to Drake and saying he doesn't write, which is I. You know, I'm. Again, they. They kill me anytime I speak about Drake. But whatever. I'm just tired of talking about this because he's never said he hasn't worked on records with people. These artists are credited on these songs. He's been very vocal about working with artists, liking to work with different artists on records. The artists that he's worked with have spoken about their contribution to records. Most notably, Quint Miller was very vocal about things. The album, when he was. Came to the studio, was pretty much done. Drake definitely writes his shit. Even with this new reference track that leaked with Believe, Vori.

[E]

Vori did Mob Ties, PND did Ratchet, Happy Birthday.

[Damaris]

I Believe Vori did. He. He referenced what sounds like the hook.

[Rory]

When you listen to in the flow, which is cool.

[Damaris]

But the verse, the actual lyrics in the verse is Drake. If you listen to the album, I don't. I don't hear Vori referencing any of Drake's verse.

[Rory]

He clearly came up with cadences and came up with certain stuff, but.

[Damaris]

But he kind of.

[Rory]

I kind of don't care.

[Damaris]

I mean, it's not about caring. It's like that people in the moment.

[Rory]

Right now as outraged as everyone else.

[Damaris]

But this is. But this is part of the newfound hatred for Drake and people that don't like Drake. And he doesn't write, and he has people writing his verses and all his records. This is just the moment that we're in right now. All of a sudden, Drake doesn't write anything. Even though your favorite artists are on these same YouTube channels saying that he's written verses in songs for them. But, you know, when tracks like this come out and leak, Drake does. All of a sudden he doesn't write his own shit. I mean, he's vocal about loving to work a party on records, which is his artist. So the Happy Birthday, the Ratchet Happy Birthday song, that reference leak again, you can hear the differences. Yes. Did Party lay the idea. If he. Referencing the idea. Cadence flow. Yes.

[Mal]

For Ratchet Happy Birthday, the lyrics as well.

[Damaris]

But he always talks about working with party, like, party writing shit for him. Like, that's not. That's why we say ghost. It's like he's spoken about this.

[Rory]

If you're reading this, it's too late. I'm a legend. Love that intro. One of my favorite Drake intros. There's a full reference of parties doing that, right? Like, even people that aren't in the industry or in the know. Like, if you're just a nerd and are on the Internet, there's a million references to Drake records that aren't the Quinton Miller ones, that aren't the mobtized ones like, that aren't certain party records. Like, he's been doing this forever, and I guess I just don't really care. No.

[Damaris]

Well, this is the time.

[Rory]

But I know the outrage and why it's coming, because before, when the Quentin Miller shit happened. Oh, holy shit. That's crazy. Drake survived it because all of us were like, all right, cool. He's a pop star. A lot of that shit was still rap records, but it was hits. Like, it's cool. It was a hook. As long as it's not the timestamp ones. I think the more this shit comes out, the closer some of us are getting to. All right, man. There Might be a timestamp reference one day. It's just. It's getting us closer to us not making excuses anymore because it's just so many records at this point. And we're getting closer and closer to. All right, man. What happens when 5am in Toronto comes out?

[Damaris]

Yeah, No, I don't think that that's happening, though.

[Rory]

It doesn't feel like it's just a few records anymore. I'm saying, perception wise, I look through credits because I'm a nerd.

[Damaris]

How many reference tracks have leaked?

[Rory]

Oh, countless.

[E]

Too many.

[Rory]

Don't even know how many.

[E]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

How many timestamps? No, no. Time stamp records.

[E]

Yeah, zero.

[Mal]

How many times are. There's only like, seven times.

[E]

Six or seven records.

[Damaris]

How many of his verses bars have leaked or reference tracks for those? Like what? People rapping. Drake's raps, not his vibe records. Like Mob Ties and I'm talking about rapping. How many of that. How many reference tracks of those have leaked?

[E]

I don't ma. I can't tell you off the top of my head, but I will say everyone that's listening to this will just say, you're just moving the goalpost.

[Damaris]

How am I moving the goalpost for something that has been spoken about years ago? I understand in the moment people want to discredit Drake. He lost the battle. Kendrick raps better than him. Drake is a terrible artist. He doesn't write none of his shit.

[Mal]

Well, to be fair to say, in the moment, because these conversations were had during the Quentin Miller thing. I don't care about that.

[Damaris]

But if the conversation was had, did they not hear Quentin say his album was already done and Drake. Drake writes all of his raps. Did they not hear that part?

[Mal]

No, of course not.

[Damaris]

Exactly. So why do I have to be here, sit it to say it, and then be called a glazer for another two weeks?

[Rory]

Fair.

[Damaris]

Like, Quentin Miller said it. Kanye west said it.

[Mal]

I agree with you. They've been tearing me up on Twitter for forever because I said, like, this is. This is a vibe record. I don't. I wasn't expecting Drake to be writing these. I don't think Drake writes the majority of his music. Like, his music. I'm like, why does he have to be Brian Michael Cox and fucking come up with hooks and melodies and all of that shit? Like. And they're like, oh, fucking Jay Z doesn't have any reference tracks. And then I just shut up and I don't say nothing, because if I say what I want to say, y'all gonna call Me, Y'all gonna call me a hater, and it's really not that. But Jay don't make songs like Drake makes songs, and he doesn't make songs.

[Damaris]

They're two different type of artists. Like I said, when you start hearing. When he's a pop artist, you start showing me dudes that's like, with Drake rap, his bars, like Wickman and all of that, and those type of first person shooter, you start showing me reference tracks of those and niggas spitting those bars. Oh, then I come on here and say something totally different. I start speaking differently. But I know that that's something that's not gonna happen because it's been cemented already by the guys that work with Drake, that go in the studio with him, and they're telling you out of their mouths, not me. These writers, these artists are saying, the dude definitely writes his own raps. What are people talking about? All right, but I understand in the moment. I get it. I understand everybody. This is. This is the season for discrediting Drake and everything that he's done and accomplished thus far. I get it.

[Rory]

The same way you talked about with the Cole thing. Like, he can't talk as greasy anymore because of certain things. That's where I feel like a lot of fans are at now, with the amount of reference tracks that have came out with Drake. Like, you never hear us say Kanye west is in the best MC category. Like, we don't debate that because we know who Kanye is. An artist, he's a collaborator, he's a producer. He's that always has been. That Drake has taught greasy like, he is the greatest rapper of all time. He has been debated in barbershops with the likes of Hov Nas. Whether you like it or not, we've put Drake in that conversation. I think fans that are talking emcee shit are starting to get to the point of like, all right, man, it's getting a little too far with some of these references. It's not just Majid. Just hold on. We're going home. It's not just pop records anymore. So, yeah, it's starting to have people feel like there's an asterisk. And I also don't think we'll ever get a timestamp record reference because I don't think that's how Drake collaborates when it comes to raps. I don't think there will never be a 9am in Dallas. Huh?

[Damaris]

You believe he writes his raps?

[Rory]

I think Drake is a phenomenal writer, but I also think Drake collabs and gets a lot of help. I think there's been plenty of times he sat in the studio like a lot of your favorite rappers and has had his collaborators in the room feeding him lines. I think a lot of timestamp records. He's probably had help from Hush. He's admitted that he thinks Hush is the greatest rapper of all time. I think there's been plenty of timestamps where he's gotten help, but I also think there's been plenty of times where HOV has been fed lines. I think Nas has been fed lines. I think every great rapper has been fed lines. I think Drake maybe has been fed a little bit more than the average rapper because he's such a collaborator and has such a chemistry with his circle of people, including Hush, who's been with him forever. Who's been in. In the credits of thank Me later of the thank yous. Thank you, Hush, for putting all these records together with me. So I don't think we'll ever get like a hush 8am in Charlotte reference, because I don't think that's how he writes them. But I think Hush may write eight bars and Drake may rap that shit. But I think. But I think some of my favorite rappers ever have done the same fucking thing.

[Mal]

I agree.

[Damaris]

Yeah. But I don't.

[Rory]

I don't think that's why I don't put it on Drake like that.

[Damaris]

I agree that a lot of rappers probably do have people that they're in the studio with that, you know, feet throw lines. And you should say it like this. That type of. I've seen it. But I'm talking about with Drake in particular. It's to the point where people are now starting to try to build this narrative that he doesn't write any of his raps. And that's, to me, what I'm just like. I can't entertain that conversation because it's just stupid. Because again, you have the same guys that are credited for collaborating and writing on certain songs. They're telling you out of their mouths, not me, not you. These guys are saying he absolutely writes his own raps. He writes his bars. Now, do we collaborate on style and sauce and certain records and vibes and shit like that? Of course. But when it comes to the bars and raps, not songs, not, you know, those type of records. I'm talking about bars. Do I believe. I believe Drake is writing his own bars? Absolutely.

[Mal]

So. And I. So I agree with you. When it comes to mob ties, a lot of people are saying. And Drake has Also kind of insinuated that Mob Ties was a response to the Pusha situation. So for you not to write that, I think a lot of people's feelings were hurt. I remember Julian texted group chat like, damn, mob ties. With the. Like, the broken hearts emojis and shit. Like. Because a lot of people felt like that was a response to Pusha.

[E]

Yeah. And he.

[Damaris]

But his raps on it. Vore is not rapping with Drake. Is rapping on that record. Is he rapping the hook and. And. And this. This the style of the record and the cadence. Yeah, I'm talking about the bars on Mob Ties. Vori's not rapping that on that reference track. You don't hear him saying none of those bars that Drake is rapping.

[Rory]

There's like, one or two. But I. It's not that big of a deal to me even, is it?

[Damaris]

Because I would. What I just listen to is none of that is on there.

[Rory]

Some of it's there, but also there's some bars on the future reference to Drunk and Love that. Like certain small bars to get you to the next line. Like, I. Again, that's collaborating. I don't really look at that as that. Crazy.

[Damaris]

No, I'm talking about.

[Rory]

I think rapping dude caught a cool pocket and Drake followed the pocket, followed a lot of the tones, the background. That.

[Damaris]

That, like all that he followed.

[Rory]

Do that again.

[E]

Do that again. Listen, cuz, you are one. You could say it.

[Rory]

I also like the original. I don't like that Drake changed that to.

[E]

He made it worse.

[Rory]

I'm not with the Rah Rah. I am a Dada. Yeah, Like, I hated that bar since Scorpion came out, but I like mopas.

[Damaris]

This is before you a Dada.

[Rory]

Ew. I'm still with the Rah Rah.

[Damaris]

Okay, Got it.

[Mal]

Hey, gang.

[Rory]

I am a Dada.

[Damaris]

That's from his church boy days. That's his Catholic. Those are his Catholic days. Right.

[Rory]

Because I was baptized. Amara could never.

[E]

I think. I think this is a good. Because I think what you guys are saying, there's a lot of nuance to it. And I think there's so many people that are trying to be vocal about industry or like a space of song creation that they know little to nothing about.

[Mal]

Pisses me off.

[E]

So I think this is like a good educational moment, like, maybe before you tweet or jump in comments, just, like, understand what it means. What are the differences between a collaborator and a ghostwriter and those kind of things? Because it is. There's a lot. There's a lot of kerfuffle. I'm not going to go to a mechanic and say, that's the wrong tube. You're supposed to use this. I don't know what I'm talking about. But like, with this, there are technical terms here which can lead to either understanding or just like piling on hate that already exists. And I'm not shooting Drake Bale, but. But I think that there's like a lot more to this, if you just look a little more into it, than just blanket statement. This sounds like Drake. This is Drake stole it. Because that's not what happened when it.

[Mal]

Comes to music industry Twitter. Rory was just talking about them. What was it with the Meg. They were talking about the Meg record deal with Roc Nation. I mean, the manager, Odil, Remember we were talking about that.

[Rory]

Yeah, remind me again. Exactly.

[Mal]

They were saying that they were like, well, Meg got a fucked up managerial deal over at Roc Nation.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Mal]

Because somebody was in an interview talking about it. What was that? Who was that?

[Rory]

It was Sauce Walker was a great, great rapper. Turned down a Roc Nation deal. And I have the quote of what it was, and I'm not shitting on him. More so music industry Twitter saying that this was like an awful deal. They offered me a management deal. Basically. It's a very fancy way of saying not being in a 360 contract, but something so close that it still made me uncomfortable. Which is cool that Sauce is. If he doesn't want to do it, great. This means that they would participate in all other income streams even though they're acting as management and not the label. That's weird for a management company to participate in all your 360 rights. That's a management deal. Yeah, that's a standard management deal. You get between 10 and 20% for the most part of every stream of income.

[Damaris]

Right.

[Rory]

It's labels where that shit gets dicey. And why they invented the 360 deal because they were not eating off torn merch. Management has always, always, always, always, always since the beginning of time. Ate off your merch, ate off your tour, ate off your music. And then music industry Twitter was like, yo, see, this is why Meg signs the worst deals. She's in another 360 now. She's in a management deal.

[Damaris]

Right.

[Rory]

So I see it with this, this ghost writing thing as well. They're pulling up, yo, Drake got 25 writers on one song. Yeah. There's also three samples that also have 15 other writers on there from the sample people.

[Damaris]

But again, this is. But you Got to understand what's happening specifically to this moment is people are just going to try to piece together things and create these narratives to discredit Drake as an artist, as a writer, as a rapper, as an emcee, as much as possible. This is the pile on moment he lost to Kendrick. He doesn't really write. He's not as dope as you think he is. Here's another reference track D D It's. It's. It's that type of shit that's happening all right now. But you know, those that understand what's happening and what's been happening and you know that's. That's all that matters.

[Rory]

I think it just, it just again, has to do with. We've added Drake into that combo. So he's going to be compared amongst his. His peers. Because I do mean that. You can kill me if you want. I think Jay and Nas are his peers as far as rappers. Kill me if you want. He's being compared that way. So, yeah, this stuff does matter in that conversation. If we can't really prove that he does write all his raps. Yeah, it adds an asterisk to a lot of shit. Even though there's been rumors with other artists, it hasn't been to this degree, but they also weren't pop stars. Like.

[Damaris]

And that's like, we've heard.

[Rory]

We've heard.

[Damaris]

That's the key. That's the diffuser. That's the difference right there in between Jay, Nas and Drake. Those guys are the quintessential rap stars. Drake is a pop star. That happens to rap as well. That's the difference in these artists. Jay and Nas don't make the music that Drake makes.

[Mal]

Exactly.

[Damaris]

No, they don't make the type of songs they won't dare try to make the type. Some of the songs that people would kill Jay if he made some of the songs that Drake does.

[Mal]

But I'm sure they've had help on hooks, too. I'm sure that they've had hooks and melodies written for the like. Come on, bro.

[Rory]

Well, obviously.

[Damaris]

Well, yeah, people have. Yeah. I mean, that's not. I don't. That's not something that. I mean, we know that that's true. Jay and Nas have had hooks and things, you know, written for them and, you know, things like, especially with Kanye was producing a lot of Jay shit. Some of that. That was Kanye's way of getting some of his beats off, was he already got the hook to it, which is like a layup for a great rapper. Like, oh, shit, Be hard Hook is already there.

[Rory]

I forgot what rapper was doing some podcast years ago, saying someone asked him why Swizz dominated like that mid early mid 2000 times. Like he was selling beats for 1.5 million. Because the beats came with a hook. I had to fill in 12 fucking bars and I had a number one record, right? Like, these producers were coming with something already done. Like, I put some catchy shit about a girl, here's a monster hook. Some more catchy shit about a girl, and I have a number one record, right? I wrote 14 bars, right? Who cares?

[Damaris]

I mean, if you go look at Fade to Black, when Kanye's playing the Lucifer track for Jay, he starts rhyming. Lord, I gotta get my soul right. I need to get these devils out my life. All of that was Kanye. Now for a reference track with Kanye doing that came out today. People try to say, jayden, don't write his. Like, this is what I'm saying. It's like, it's so.

[E]

It's the same thing, though.

[Damaris]

Yeah, it's stupid. It's like, yo, what is on camera? What are y'all talking about? Like, it's like. But people, again, when they're trying to create a certain narrative, they act like certain things don't already exist, that you can look up and find yourself so.

[Rory]

Well, I mean, it's tit for tat, and it's really who you like the most. But I could see a purist being like, yo, if the producer helped you pick a pocket in a flow, it's not the same as 10 bands, 50 bands, 100 bands. Like, that whole entire bridge was written and done a little different than, like, just trying to find a pocket. So I think there is a difference. But again, I think Jay and Drake are drastically different artists.

[Damaris]

Different artists, to begin.

[Rory]

I can't really compare them.

[Damaris]

Right. I'm. Again, I've said it before. Say it again. The day I get a reference for one of them timestamp joints where Drake is giving us straight rapping bar, oh, then my conversation is totally different.

[E]

I hoping that happens when we're in the studio.

[Damaris]

Of course you are. Of course you are.

[Rory]

But I also think it happened. I think Drake maybe got into habits early too. And this is just me thinking, I have no evidence of this. I could be completely wrong. So apologies to Toronto if I am. I think Drake being on TV and being somewhat of a local celebrity did help him in a music scene that wasn't really thriving. So I think a lot of people did go to Drake with a Lot of great ideas and a lot of help, which is cool. I mean, I think. I'm sure Drake did most of comeback season in the writing, but all the genius minds from Toronto were like, well, he's the most popular one.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I think it was similar to what Ali was talking about on Vlad with the Nelly shit. Like, listen, man, Nelly was about to get a deal, so we was like, you take all the hot shit.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And we'll just all go with you. And Drake has been with the same engineer producers camp since then. So, yeah, I can see Hush trying to get on, but, yo, you take this verse instead.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Because you. You have. You have it right now, so go ahead and do it. So I think he may got in that habit early, before he even popped off of being the collaborator in the face of Toronto music at the time.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So it's probably not that weird to him to be like, yo, you got a 12? Let me hear it. I'll fix it up. That's making music.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

And he releases such a high volume of music. Like, oh, I mean, Drake is an amazing rapper, but to think he's sitting up there putting fucking 100 songs a year together by him. No, bro. Like, let's stop.

[Damaris]

And not only that, when you have the type of crew that you have and have had for so long, it's a reason that you have that crew. It's a collective effort. It's Everybody. You know, 40 has the music. He knows what pocket to leave open. You know, Noel is obviously recording most of it. Hush and Drake have obviously been together for years working on ideas. Party. Drake, who Drake speaks about, he loves working and writing along with Party. But again, I think most of these guys would laugh at some of the shit that they're reading. Like, Drake doesn't write his raps. Like. Like, what are y'all talking about?

[Rory]

You don't think if around Take care time. I'm trying to sign the weekends. I'm not. I'm not gonna have that guy help me find some melodies.

[Damaris]

Right.

[Rory]

You think I'm signing Party. We're not gonna work together. You don't think I'm gonna hear some in the studio and be like, all right, man, I'm gonna take that one. Yeah, it happens.

[Damaris]

Yeah, it definitely happens. But again, I understand the optics and everything that's going on right now. So, you know, I'll just.

[Rory]

I see why it pisses off the purists. I know Julian can't wait to on Eminem, which we'll get to. But speaking of purists. I can see that bothering a lot of people that have been writing all their. Like when Andre 3000 said on Blonde in that interlude, like, it's coming back that everyone's not writing this. I guess I've been working just way too hard. Like, what the fuck am I. You're allowed to do that, right? I thought everyone was writing all their shit. I. This is why I retired. I didn't know I had to write all this shit.

[Damaris]

Right.

[Rory]

So I can see that pissing off purists. I think Eminem should get some more help.

[E]

You could use it. Or you could just stop.

[Damaris]

Well, we gotta be fair. We didn't hear anything. We don't know what this sounds like.

[E]

This looks like enough for me.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but we don't. We don't know what it sounds like. We don't know what this is. What. What Eminem is giving us on this Houdini project. This comes out tonight, right?

[Rory]

This is a single.

[E]

I think it's a single single.

[Rory]

Cause I think the name of the album is Death of Slim Shady. No.

[E]

Great. Yep. Yeah, yeah. The death of Slim Shady.

[Rory]

That was the rumor online. All right, I'm gonna go on a limb. I think we may actually. This is not an album, a good Eminem album.

[E]

This is the single, the lead single for the album.

[Damaris]

And this is with David Blaine.

[E]

He just did a teaser with David Blaine because he's obviously leaning into the theme of.

[Rory]

Is David Blaine on the writing credits? Because I can't respect it if you like the characters.

[Damaris]

David Blaine doesn' Right. Then we just. He's the worst magician of all time.

[Rory]

Is this the reference?

[E]

So this is the. What's going on?

[Damaris]

David? What up, man?

[Rory]

Yo, listen, I need your help with something.

[Damaris]

Yeah, whatever you need.

[E]

Well, first of all, I just want.

[Damaris]

To say, you know, you're the greatest.

[Rory]

To ever do it, right?

[E]

We should do something together one time.

[Rory]

So this is clearly a real conversation.

[E]

Yeah, no, they didn't document this in post.

[Damaris]

With this magic, like, can we do.

[E]

Like, a stunt or something?

[Rory]

Oh, trying to trick us with the bad service.

[Damaris]

Something like this.

[E]

Oh, Ready Maul. Why does he keep doing that?

[Rory]

Well, for my last trick, I'm gonna make my career disappear.

[Mal]

Wait, what?

[E]

Let's go.

[Mal]

Make it all go who was the producer of that? God, that was awful.

[E]

Make it all go now you understand.

[Damaris]

The importance of having a team of collaborators of people.

[E]

No M's tapped in. That's why he's the gonna like, you.

[Rory]

Know, Em actually used to be a great marketer for A while, but I think got old and just stopped caring.

[E]

He didn't need to.

[Rory]

He was a fucking billionaire and had been there. But, like, this type of artwork and that type of stuff just shows me that, no offense, Shady staff, I know you hate me already, that it's a little out of touch. But with all that said, I think EM has listened to all of our critiques, and I don't think we're gonna get the Angry Fuck all y'all album. I think we're gonna get the type of Eminem album that we've wanted for quite some time. I think he's gonna work with the producers that we want him to work. I think we're going to get the M album that we've desperately wanted for.

[Damaris]

God knows it. I've only ever had one real critique of Eminem. It's just to stop rapping. Like, you're trying to prove to us that you can rap double time.

[Rory]

Shit. I think slow is slow down.

[Damaris]

Like, we know you could rap already. I'm just. I just want to hear different music, different production, different type of sounds. Like, I don't want. Like, don't rap to me. Like you're trying to prove that you can still out rap everybody. That's. That's my only critique of Eminem ever.

[Rory]

And I think if he works with the premieres, the Pete rocks. Like, a lot of people that he's been vocal about wanting to work with, but was clearly on his superstar status and couldn't at the time would make him slow his flow down in those pockets. We wouldn't get the Eminem beats that he makes with the intention to rap double, triple, quadruple time. And we not understand a word that's going on. I think we'll finally get this. I. I have hope this time, man.

[Mal]

What.

[Damaris]

What if you show me who the. The. The production, like the producers that worked on this, Just show me that. And I could already. You know what I mean? Like, I just need to see who worked on it, who produced on this album, maybe even just show me the features so when the track list comes out, I'll have a better gauge. But I need to know the production, the production on this clear.

[Rory]

I have no faith in the song Houdini. I have faith in the album. Usually Eminem first singles, no matter. Even when I liked Em off some of my favorite EM projects usually fucking stinks. A first single from EM has really never been that fucking good. But I think the album will be good.

[E]

I wonder if his last trick is him just saying The N word, Julian, for my last.

[Damaris]

You know it's gonna be my last.

[E]

You said it on camera before.

[Mal]

Will your last trick be his last day?

[Damaris]

That's gonna be my last trick for Julius.

[E]

What?

[Damaris]

You gonna come in here one day and everything's gonna be gone. It's gonna be an empty room, and you not gonna know where nobody is.

[Rory]

He thought us moving the plant today was like.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that was just the. That was the start.

[E]

That was the precursor.

[Damaris]

That was the teaser.

[E]

It's time. One month.

[Damaris]

Yeah, this is. That was a teaser right there for you, man.

[E]

No one wants. Let's keep it real. No one's wants this.

[Mal]

And I want y'all to just be honest, like, you know, that we've been all waiting for it. Y'all have not.

[Rory]

You know, I don't mean waiting like I've been at the edge of my seat for an album. I'm saying in.

[Damaris]

I'm gonna listen. Don't get it twisted.

[Rory]

I have no second half career.

[Damaris]

Yes, I did. I listened to. I listened to every M album.

[E]

What's his last album called?

[Damaris]

I don't. Rory. No, I'm terrible with titles and names.

[Mal]

What's the name of Rory album?

[Damaris]

I thought it'd be different. That's my. That's my. That's my wigga, though. That's different.

[Rory]

Did you buy the vinyl?

[Damaris]

No, I didn't buy the vinyl. I want it, though.

[Rory]

It's on sale now.

[Damaris]

I definitely want to buy the vinyl. That's hard.

[Mal]

You tell them all sign sale. No. You think we're all gonna go and purchase. Put it.

[Rory]

I'm sure when the boxes get here, you will just take it out.

[E]

Oh, I will.

[Damaris]

I'll buy Roy's vinyl.

[E]

I'll ask you to sign it, and I will walk out.

[Mal]

Well, you might ask Rory for his. I don't have any John Hancock.

[E]

Why not? Like the cool one? Like the lame one?

[Damaris]

What? It was right there.

[E]

I had to go for it anyway. Man.

[Rory]

You guys are listening to this.

[E]

I'm not.

[Damaris]

What.

[Rory]

When was the last ML?

[E]

Keep it.

[Damaris]

Was it.

[Rory]

I was gonna say kamikaze. I think we're all wrong.

[Damaris]

Peach.

[E]

Are you even looking forward to this?

[Damaris]

But I wouldn't.

[Mal]

It's Eminem fan. Or is he just like our resident white man?

[E]

If you could guess someone in the room, that would be Lynn. Eminem fan. I would guess Peach.

[Rory]

Music to be murdered by Music to be murdered.

[E]

Oh, God. He should have killed his career then.

[Rory]

Oh, he did one more pre. One year probably sucked.

[E]

2020.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Music to be murdered by. It was the last one.

[Rory]

I. I feel like em got all that shit out of his system, and I think.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that's.

[Rory]

I think he's finally going to listen to us.

[Damaris]

Just give us. Just give me some. Just some good music. I don't rap to me like, you still trying to show you can out bar and out double time, everybody. I don't need that. We know that. That's already cemented. That's. That's why you are who you are.

[Rory]

I also don't want you to out celebrity us like. Or, like, out trans joke us. Listen, I don't want to be politically correct by any means. I want M to be M all the time. I just don't want him to, like, sets death of Slim Shady. He's gonna just start rapping about all the Kardashians he becomes. Are they transgender? Like, I don't want to hear that.

[Damaris]

So the Houdini single is tonight. Well, if you're hearing this now, the Houdini single was out.

[E]

You can't stop. It's on repeat.

[Rory]

All right, well, you say that, but he's gonna stream more than anybody else.

[E]

Yeah, of course it's Eminem. Like, that doesn't mean anything. No, I mean, obviously successful. He'll be fine. I'm not. That's. It makes no difference what I think. But I'm saying, like, that's not the signifier of a. Of a good song, of a good artist.

[Mal]

You ever. Well, music is subjective. You ever considered that maybe it's just not good to you? It's good to the movies who stream his shit.

[E]

No, it's good to them. Their taste sucks, too. Like, I'm not. Look, like, this can all be true.

[Rory]

I have. I have friends from high school that are on fentanyl now that thought kamikaze was the greatest piece of art.

[E]

You need fentanyl.

[Rory]

Like, a lot. A lot of people from my era that went on, you know, to do great extracurricular activities in certain drugs went.

[Damaris]

On and did great things.

[Rory]

And I'm really not trying to on evidence, but they find that when someone raps really fast.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

They like that type of.

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah, no, I. I get it. It's certain. Certain things are for certain people. And so I'm not, you know, I'm just saying, for me, I just want him to just. Just switch the music up a little bit. That's all.

[Mal]

Damn. Eminem was the original. The baby.

[Rory]

Wait, why you say that?

[Damaris]

I don't think that was the double time.

[Mal]

The Sound that tried the flow with got tired.

[Damaris]

If you think Eminem invented Double Time.

[Mal]

No, I don't think he invented it. What I'm saying is he ran it into the ground like Dababy is doing.

[Rory]

Yeah, but Em always had different flows once he started on that fast. Shit is when I stopped liking Eminem. Like, Sleep Shady lp, Marshall Mathers lp Eminem Show. Those are. Am not trying to out rap everyone on earth. Like, he's just making good music.

[Damaris]

His greatest song, lose Yourself. That's not a double time. That's just somebody giving bars. Yeah, it's like, you know what type.

[Rory]

Of shit we all praised them as. We should have that last verse of Forever with Kanye, Wayne and Drake. He did the Double Time shit and was almost sounded like he was a little offbeat, even though he wasn't. And everyone's like, yo, that's the greatest rapper we've ever seen. And Em was like, that's what y'all like?

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

10 years.

[Mal]

10 years.

[Damaris]

And since it's double time, it's 20.

[E]

Even the features that he gets now are like, they just let him go for like 36 bar. It's just too much rap. Yeah, stop.

[Damaris]

But listen, man, he's still a goat. The song might drop. We have to come in here and mop up our words. That was hard.

[Rory]

I would. I would love to come in here and. And say, I love to.

[E]

I'm with you on that.

[Damaris]

I'm definitely with you, Julian.

[Mal]

Julian said, why do we call him that if. If over half his career has been shitty music? Why do y'all call him a goat?

[E]

About 85% of his career is just dog. It's goat. Does he go because he sells. What is he saying?

[Damaris]

The other 15% is greater than most rap rappers that you can probably.

[E]

Some artists have put out one album that has done like, more like Biggie's one album.

[Mal]

And also, how many goats listen to the thing. How many goats we allowed to have because goat means greatest of all time. It can't be 10 greatest of all times. Somebody gotta actually be the greatest.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I mean, I'm with you on that, but I think people have their cause. Again, it's subjective. So people have their goat and people have the list of the ones that they can't ever remove from the goat list because those are cemented. So I just think it just adds on. We get different people that add onto a list that's already obviously cemented in history.

[Rory]

You guys are going to make me defend Eminem the same way I was so mad that Twitter is allowed to say Tupac sucks. What's the other thing that's been going rampant? Slim Shady LP, Marshall Mathers LP, the Eminem Show.

[Damaris]

If you stop right there, that's three. Those three albums are better than 85% of rapper's career.

[Mal]

Have they aged well?

[Rory]

Then to encore refill was bullshit. Recovery was good. And then after that, everything's been. Dog, that's. Those are. That's a crazy run.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Okay. What I'm saying is, if you were to play them now, not using your nostalgia ears, if you were to play them now, like, to a new listener.

[Damaris]

It sound better than this half of this dog that's out here in the ecosystem.

[Mal]

But we're not discussing those, because a.

[Damaris]

Lot of this that's out here now is terrible.

[Mal]

We're not discussing those dogs being goats. They're just dogs. Who. We're talking about some niggas that they call goats now.

[Damaris]

Then I'm like, who? What? Who? Listen, man, I ain't listening. I'm not listen. Rayvon, Rayvon, Rayvon think I'm a hater. He thinks I'm a Kendrick hater. So I'm not gonna start naming names of niggas that niggas think is dope, but I'm not speaking about Kendrick. Not talking about Kendrick in this situation. Kendrick is dope. But if I start naming yo, he's a hater. I don't hate on. I think in order for me to hate, I have to want to do what you do. And I don't want to rap. I'm never tried to really rap, so I'm never trying to be artist, so I'm not hating.

[E]

That's not how hating.

[Mal]

No, but some people just be hating.

[E]

You can't say that.

[Damaris]

Hating is if you have I don't something.

[E]

And you was like, I hate on ball players all the time.

[Damaris]

Like, you play basketball every other day.

[E]

Yeah, but like I'm saying, like, professionally, you can't.

[Damaris]

You don't play professionally because you're not good.

[E]

What?

[Damaris]

You don't play professionally because you're not good.

[E]

I think just not a professional basketball.

[Rory]

That's not like I tried to write I wasn't good.

[Damaris]

But if you hate on basketball players, it was okay. Somebody would be like, damn, he played basketball every week. He might just be mad that he's not that good. Right or wrong. If I was in the studio every week trying to write bars and lay down, make songs, and then I come on here and say, yo, that shit was trash. I'M hating because I try. I want to do that on that level. I don't want to. I'm not hating. I don't hate on anybody. Like, if I say I don't like that song. You missed the two other albums that I said I loved. I just didn't like this song.

[Rory]

No, I think it's hating. I think anyone even trying to, for example, go to the league or try to be an artist. I think you're only hating if there's an agenda on why you're being negative on something.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

If you're. If you love art and that art is just not for you, I don't think that's hating it.

[Damaris]

That's not.

[Rory]

But when you get personal and there's a reason why you don't like that and aren't being objective. Yes. You're just. You're hating.

[Damaris]

Agreed. But if I say I don't like a song, just a song that's not hating.

[Mal]

No, I don't.

[Damaris]

You missed the three other albums that I said I love. Like, where was it. Where was it at then when it was like, yo, I love that album. Love that.

[E]

That's my argument with Eminem. People ignore it. To Rory's point, to the math he did earlier, Eminem had three good albums. The last good one was in 2004, 20 Years of Dog. When I say that people, like, that's hate. No, it's. It's truth sheets put out. Whatever's come out in since 2004 has been ass.

[Rory]

No, because listen. Do I go back and listen to recovery by Eminem? No, but being objective for me to say that this recovery album is not good, I'd be hating.

[E]

Okay, fine. Give you recovery. 14 years of shit music.

[Rory]

I said, after recovery, I've hated everything that he's.

[E]

Recovery. 14 years of just straight ass.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but this, you know, when you've been in the game as long as M, there's a few artists that you can look at. That's. If they're crossing two decades, 20 years, 25 years.

[E]

But then don't put them in the goat conversation. Stop.

[Damaris]

If I had eight years where I was fucking smashing everything. I had four classic albums.

[E]

No one makes a goat. Is longevity. Longevity is a big. To me, is a big barometer.

[Damaris]

Okay, to you. Right. But what I'm saying is, if I am Eminem and I put out a classic. When was Eminem's first album?

[E]

99, 98. 98.

[Damaris]

When I came in, I was the biggest star in rap. I was putting out doing numbers Crazy. The same shit that they praise Godz for now in the streaming era, Eminem was doing that when you had to go to the store. He was physically. You saw people lined up around the block when Eminem album dropped.

[Rory]

And it's different. Like, when you hold an entire era like that in a genre that comes and goes the way it does. Yes, that's goat status. Like, I don't think we give Nelly enough flowers. Do I want to hear a Nelly album today? Probably not, right? I'm cool. But to discredit everything he did when he had a whole era would be. I don't want to hear a 50.

[Damaris]

Like, if you try to discredit what he did with country grammar and all that, it's like, bro, you can't.

[Rory]

I don't. On what Joe Montana did with Kansas City, does that take away everything he did with San Francisco?

[Damaris]

Right.

[Rory]

Brett Favre stayed way too long in the league. He's a piece of. But we're talking about his career. Brett Favre stayed in the league. He out outweighed his fucking welcome the entire time. Am I going to erase everything he ever did with Green Bay?

[Damaris]

No.

[Rory]

I'll even be like, yo, you tried it with the jets, but Vikings, you even. You caught a little steam.

[Mal]

Yeah, but I get what. And I agree with you, but Julian isn't trying to eat. But it's not. Not calling him a goat is not erasing everything that he did. There's. There's you having an amazing run and you owning an era and you being one of the greatest artists of all time. Because when you're saying greatest, that means you're comparing to other rappers. So if we're comparing you to the other greats who have also had super long careers and 14 of it isn't dog, are you a goat? Also, I'm not saying this is not how I feel, but it is worth a question that people have had the question of, did he have. Was he in the great white hope conversation of yes, he sold that much because he was a white rapper.

[E]

That goes without saying.

[Rory]

He has a whole song called White America where he says, I. If I wasn't white, I would have sold half like he sold. That's not a combo. I think we even everyone in the world knows that if em was not a white guy with blonde hair. No, he may. He may be cannabis. It. It could be drastically different. But are. Can we have like real conversations?

[Damaris]

He's white. Can't change that.

[Rory]

Yeah, if he went black, he may have end up being just some Underground artist that we did not know. I agree with you there, but I'm also dealing with the same people that say, yo, Big didn't die. Jay wouldn't be Jay. All right, can we deal with what actually happened in the world?

[Damaris]

Right?

[Rory]

M became a superstar.

[Damaris]

Crazy.

[Rory]

And J became J. Like, yeah, we could sit here all day with hypotheticals. Yeah. If M was black, I don't know if it would have worked with what Dre was doing. Sticking nine inch needles in your eyelids. No, I don't know if that would have worked with a black guy at that time.

[Mal]

So that's what. But that brings up like, okay, so you're a gimmick. So part of your career, in your success is you being a gimmick. So again, when people are questioning, like, Julian, if he's a goat, this is. These are factors that people need to think about.

[Rory]

Here's the thing, okay? Gimmick with em. I'm gonna give pushback because I do think his gimmick was being a dirty Midwestern, poor white.

[Mal]

Yes.

[Rory]

And I think that's exactly who he was. And I think that spoke to a lot of fucking people. A majority of this country is dirty, poor whites. So, yes. Did they? Did they probably America. Add some sauce to that with the machine, for sure. But I think M came in as a rap nerd that was a dirty poor kid from Kansas City and from Detroit and just spoke for a whole culture.

[E]

I'm not even talking about how he was marketed. I'm really just talking about what he's saying. He's not saying. For some words, he's not saying. I don't think anything.

[Damaris]

He doesn't say anything.

[Mal]

Listen, I'm one of the people that says that Eminem is one of the greatest, has one of the best flows, or one of the best.

[Damaris]

Eminem is a goat. We don't even have to. That's not debatable.

[Mal]

I mean, I just. I feel like I think it is debatable. I just bought up mad reasons why you should debate it.

[Damaris]

But you can't debate Eminem.

[E]

Drake.

[Damaris]

As far as what artist.

[E]

Artists.

[Rory]

Drake.

[Mal]

As far as rap ability.

[Rory]

But I may want to hear the. The shittier version.

[Damaris]

Drake.

[E]

Why?

[Rory]

If you get into the technical of rap, I don't Als always want to hear the guy that's the best at technically rapping.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I don't want to hear that shit.

[Mal]

But that's what I was in reference into the best. The person who's the best at technically.

[Rory]

Eminem is a drastically better rapper than Drake. Yes, he rhyme to hear that sometimes.

[Damaris]

Floyd Mayweather is the greatest technical boxer of all time. Muhammad Al. Muhammad Ali is the greatest fighter of all time.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Before we get out of music though, there was a bunch of tweets from DJ Head Daylight. Oh, like just, you know, the typical Kendrick's about to drop something Twitter crew.

[Damaris]

Did Ray Vaughn to some.

[E]

Clearly.

[Damaris]

Nah, I worry. I don't know him, but I think. I think he's dope.

[Rory]

I think he's a talented rapper too. But I stopped myself from replying. Therapy is working well on me.

[E]

Do you want to give some context? Because you've mentioned him a few times. I don't think many people have seen the tweets.

[Damaris]

Oh, he just Ray Vaughan tweeted that mall dude.

[Rory]

He's probably still going. I'm sure if we refresh right now, he's still tweeting.

[Damaris]

Is obsessed with hating on Adot. I don't know who a dot is, but. And it's weird as only time I see him go viral is hating. Well, that means you just not. You need glasses or I don't know, different WI fi. I don't know, maybe.

[Mal]

Listen, man, also, hating goes viral, it doesn't mean that I hate all day. You came across a clip and I'm.

[Rory]

The biggest rap beef ever been around for.

[Damaris]

Was that hating because I said good kid. Mad City isn't a number seven album of all time. Is that?

[Mal]

No, because I agree with you.

[Damaris]

I don't think people have that as their number seven rap album of all time. So number seven album before, I don't think that's hate. But again, people don't have the word, the correct word sometimes to use. So when you don't know what to say, insert hate. It's kind of like guys taking pictures, they don't know what to do with their hands. They kind of just like hold their wrist. Like it's kind of like the same.

[Rory]

I have nothing against Rayvon. I don't even know if this was his angle on anything. But everyone that is saying podcasters are catching a lick off this whole Drake and Kendrick thing and we getting views off this. Y'all are catching licks off talking about us talking about other shit. So we're all in the same ecosystem. So shut up. We're all guilty of it.

[Damaris]

Everyone wants to go viral, but also.

[Rory]

Like, we're all catching steam from talking about the biggest topic ever. Cool. Bet we're all in the same boat.

[Damaris]

Sorry that the two biggest artists of their generation had a battle and we spoke about it.

[Rory]

Because even though I disagreed with Maul because we have a podcast and we argue about a lot of. Even with me disagreeing with him, you guys all caught a lick off your disagreements with him.

[Damaris]

That is true.

[Rory]

So everybody shut up. If he's hating and if he's catching a lick or if he's doing something crazy, y'all are reacting the exact same way we're reacting to what's going on. You are in the same boat as us.

[Mal]

Everybody's sucking.

[Rory]

Shut up.

[Mal]

Different dicks.

[Damaris]

I'm not. Well, I don't know what that is. I don't. Everybody's sucking dicks. Different dicks. I'm not sucking no dick. I don't know what that is.

[Mal]

I'm just in reference to when people are saying, oh, you glazing, you glazing, you glazing. Okay, then if that people don't know that's glazing, then we're all glazing. Just different dicks.

[Damaris]

They're glazing Kendrick. I can say that that's. Yeah, that's the same if that's the case, because I feel like this person won you like this. So I can say, that's glaze. It's just all stupid. That's why I laughed when Rayvon said what he said. Like, it's just something to laugh at. Like, all right, fam, do you think that's hating? Because I don't think Good Kid Mad City is the number seven album of all time. I don't know what to tell you. I just want people to find the right words to insert when talking about me in particular, because a hater I've never been.

[Mal]

What word would you think that they. What word do you think they should.

[Damaris]

Use when speaking about me?

[Rory]

Vegan.

[Damaris]

The realest nigga they ever met. Or didn't.

[Mal]

No, but for real, Ma, instead of calling you a hater when they're. If they're disagreeing with you, what do you. What word do you think they should use?

[E]

A contrarian. I'll throw one out there.

[Damaris]

Contrarian. Don't call me that.

[E]

Why not?

[Damaris]

Because I'm not a contrarian.

[E]

Well, in this case, you are. Because, like, we've all agreed, everyone in this room and the Internet.

[Rory]

Roy said Mall was being weird and then explained that he's just a loyal person. That's what made me laugh. Like, his whole explanation was, yo, actually not. Mall's just mad. I was like, wait, so that's why you.

[Damaris]

But this is why I laugh when people say things about me. Because you're not. You're going to start reaching when you try to find something negative to say about me, because I'm not a negative person.

[Rory]

I just said the word vegan.

[Damaris]

Well, yeah, but when you say hating, I laugh at that because it's like, bro, I don't care enough to hate on anybody. We're talking about contrarian about none of that.

[E]

I think it's a contrarian.

[Mal]

Contrarian, a person who opposes or rejects popular opinion, especially in stock exchange dealing. Well, basically, you're opposing or rejecting popular opinion.

[Rory]

Everybody of notoriety, including Ray Vaughan, everyone in notoriety. I have seen talk about Mall in his rants for Drake, have done the exact same thing in their past. Every last one of them that I've seen, that we know, that's had the check that I've seen has done the exact same thing. As far as that word that I cannot pronounce because I went to public school.

[Damaris]

Of course.

[Rory]

Say it.

[E]

No, but being a contrarian.

[Rory]

Thank you. Thanks.

[E]

The reason why I use that word is because the. The definition. Dumars. Just read the popular opinion is Kendrick 1. Yeah, the world knows Kendrick 1, except Mall. So the contrarian is to be like, counterculture.

[Damaris]

I could tweet. I could tweet right now. You'll see people agreeing with me. Of course, not just me.

[E]

There's a whole, you know, and there's community. People that like Eminem's music, too. We've discussed.

[Damaris]

And there's people that think Kendrick has a dope record out right now.

[E]

You don't see. I don't think that that records with you. You don't think Not Like Us is a great record?

[Damaris]

No. A great record? Absolutely not.

[E]

Okay, well, that's a criterion.

[Damaris]

No, I just don't think it's a great record. It's cool. I think it's a great record.

[Mal]

Okay, what was. What was the last great record you heard?

[Damaris]

The last great record I heard outside of Family Matters.

[Mal]

I want to. I just. I'm trying to gauge what he thinks is all of.

[Rory]

For all the Dogs.

[Damaris]

Bravo by Nick Grant. Great record.

[Mal]

Smart.

[Damaris]

Great song.

[E]

Well, that was. Yeah.

[Damaris]

Great record. If you really listen to that record. Amazing record.

[Rory]

I can't find this tweet. I did want to screenshot it, and I thought I did, but somebody tweeted earlier today or last night that the hip hop stands have taken over Hip hop Twitter. Kind of like what we're arguing about me saying. Everyone that was putting comments under your shit has done the same thing when it comes to hip hop Twitter. People that are passionate about this shit and want to argue about it in a passionate way. Yeah, we've all been overtaken by the. The Stan culture.

[Mal]

Yep.

[Rory]

It was clear in this entire Drake and Kendrick battle, we watched both of those communities dig every last bit of dirt you could find on both of them, all for the sake of just stand culture. Nobody was arguing music. Nobody was arguing any of that shit. As a hip hop Twitter nerd, I've been here since 08. We've been infiltrated, and I did nothing about it. Yeah, the stands won.

[Mal]

I didn't even know that they were.

[Rory]

Like, music debates are done.

[Mal]

Yeah, they are done.

[Rory]

It's been done.

[Mal]

When Ken. When Kendrick, I knew Drake had stands, but when I started getting harassed by Kendrick Stans, I was like, oh, he doesn't even come out. Y'all are standing somebody who don't even be outside.

[Damaris]

That's not. That's not. But see, that's not what that is. And I said this weeks ago.

[Mal]

No, I'm not talking about people who just hate Drake. I'm talking about actual Kendrick.

[Rory]

A lot of people just became Drake and Kendrick Stans because this was the thing to stand about at the moment.

[Mal]

Yes.

[Rory]

And they're still sitting there. But there are real. Kendrick put out. This. This OD thing is crazy. Wait, Drake has rapped on Dilla beats like cool. It's Stan culture overtook everything. In conclusion. But I did see Shout out to DJ Head, Daylight, Everybody I'm around, but you guys are the ones that we all look at. Now when you tweet eyes, we're like, oh, Kendrick's dropping. Do we think he's putting an album out at midnight? When people hear this, they'll know. I think it's the Not Like Us video. I don't think Kendrick's putting that album tonight.

[Mal]

Maybe with a remix. Not like Us with a remix in a video.

[Rory]

If it's not black hippie, I don't.

[Damaris]

Want to hear Not Like Us remix.

[Rory]

I don't want to hear Dre. I don't want to hear Snoop. I don't want to hear Cube. I don't hear who on the remix. I don't want the entire West Coast. If it's not black hippie, I don't want to hear it.

[Mal]

Who? Yg.

[Damaris]

Oh, man, not yg.

[Rory]

Nah, YG would skate on that. That beat, though.

[Damaris]

Oh, come on.

[E]

That should have been his song.

[Rory]

I'm sure it was. Yeah, I know YG heard that. Like Mustard. What the.

[Damaris]

Should have got a remix to Not Like Us.

[Rory]

No, I think they got a video.

[Damaris]

I don't think.

[Rory]

I have no info. I'm just guessing.

[Mal]

I only said remix because. What were those lyrics that Punch tweeted?

[E]

Oh, Punch tweeted some Biggie lyrics.

[Mal]

Oh.

[E]

Sound like Sasquatch feet thunder and shaking the concrete.

[Rory]

Did Biggie really write it, though? Maybe Kendrick wrote that for big in 94.

[Damaris]

All right, is that glazing now?

[Rory]

Wait, tweeting Big lyrics? No. Okay.

[E]

I was at a glaze.

[Rory]

Wait, tweeting lyrics?

[Damaris]

Fam, I don't know.

[Rory]

Delete my entire.

[Damaris]

I guarantee you if I tweet something right now like that, they're gonna say I'm glazing.

[Mal]

Yeah, but you're not. Punch from tde.

[Damaris]

What the fuck does that mean?

[Rory]

You're maul from ovo.

[E]

Can you change your Twitter handle to that?

[Mal]

That was his artist at one point. That's like family. Like, that's like his family. That was his artist.

[Damaris]

All right, so if I tweet any lyric from anybody, is that glazing?

[Rory]

No.

[Damaris]

So you want me.

[Rory]

I don't think tweeting lyrics at all is glazing. Unless you, like, you go a little bit.

[Damaris]

You want to see me tweet lyrics right now? Watch how many niggas say, yo, he glazed.

[E]

So people tomorrow.

[Rory]

What lyrics?

[Mal]

What lyrics? What lyrics?

[E]

Can you tweet any lyric?

[Damaris]

It could be from anybody, and I'm glazing.

[E]

Can you tweet a lyric during this? So when people hear it tomorrow, they'll understand why you made this tweet and they'll. Because by the time, say, you tweet it now, there'll be all this fan theory and like, oh, malls are crashing out, OVO dick suckers, all that. They'll do all that in real time.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[E]

But come tomorrow, they'll see. They'll listen to this and be like, oh, they were just fucking with us.

[Rory]

You should just tweet mother I four times.

[E]

Mm.

[Mal]

Tweet anytime, Mother I.

[Damaris]

At the end of it, Glazing gonna put knee pad emojis all in my comments. Okay?

[Mal]

They got knee pad emojis.

[Damaris]

I don't know. They gonna find it when they come to me. When it come to me tweeting anything, they gonna find it. It's like, fam, I can't even like lyrics.

[Rory]

I'm not. Promise. I'm not trying to clown on Drake, but that setup is so funny. He's like, yeah, you know, my mom came over today and she was like, yo, mother, I. Oh, he got molested, Mother. That's what happens when your mom comes over me?

[Damaris]

I just made the whole connection. That's that one record where you talk about getting molested. Y'all niggas skating right over there.

[Rory]

You think that's what hit Drake when his mom walked in the door? Like, damn, yo, Kenya, you said it.

[Damaris]

So, yeah, that's what happened. But, yeah, if I was to tweet any lyrics right now.

[Mal]

Tweet anytime, any place. I don't care who's around.

[Damaris]

They put the bicycle with the eggplant.

[E]

That's a classic.

[Damaris]

It's like, oh, yeah.

[Rory]

I mean, that one's pretty classic.

[Damaris]

I just be chilling, listening to music in, like, a bar that I hear. And I just tweeted. All of a sudden, I'm glazing. Like, bam.

[Mal]

I know it's, like, disrespectful to you, so I get, like, you not. But some of the jokes that people were saying was funny. Somebody said you was making a squirt.

[Damaris]

That.

[Mal]

That.

[Rory]

Wait, making what? Squirt Dick.

[Mal]

Like, it was.

[Damaris]

I can't. Yo, I don't even. I don't even know what you're talking about. All right, but what did I say? What did I do?

[Mal]

I don't even remember.

[Damaris]

See, that's what I'm saying.

[Mal]

I don't even remember, no matter what.

[Damaris]

I do or say. Yo, you glaze, fam. I'm just talking about the weather.

[Mal]

All right?

[Damaris]

If.

[Mal]

Okay, so devil's advocate, right? I don't think you were dick writing, but one could say that you tweeting the red button was dick writing.

[Damaris]

How?

[Mal]

Like, they could say that you was, like, part of the rollout, but, like, you not getting paid to be part of the.

[Damaris]

How was I part of the road out Rollout. I knew it. Everybody knew a record was coming on that day.

[Mal]

Five, ten minutes before it dropped. Everybody knew that.

[Rory]

Yeah, it was pretty close. But at the same time, would you say that. I don't say that about Daylight, DJ.

[Damaris]

Head, and I can't, because Kendrick don't talk to none of them niggas.

[Rory]

No, Punch just. He put out a text combo.

[Damaris]

Kendrick don't talk to none of them. N. Well, Kendrick, he put out maybe not Punch.

[Rory]

Okay, Kendrick and Punch speak.

[Damaris]

Okay? The others.

[Mal]

The others. Hashtag the other.

[Rory]

Okay, I don't know.

[Damaris]

Kendrick don't speak. And I've heard this from tde. All right? So, yeah, let's. Let's. Let's. I'mma start throwing some eggplants at you. Eggplant. Palm eggplant. Yeah. All you about to get eggplant palm sent to your door. Uber eats. Oh, this Kendrick. Kendrick don't even speak to them.

[Rory]

Was Kendrick even signed when Ray Von got signed?

[Damaris]

Man, Kendrick don't speak to them, man. Kendrick don't know them. Don't speak to them. If Kendrick walked in the hall, they can't even look Kendrick.

[Mal]

Well, he's putting on for the West Mall.

[Damaris]

Who?

[Mal]

Kendrick? Not really.

[Rory]

West was put on.

[Damaris]

Yeah, like, before Kendrick. What are you talking about?

[Rory]

Has years and years of classic music.

[Mal]

Okay, but before Kendrick, like, they had a little dry spell.

[Damaris]

No, no, the dry spell.

[Rory]

The West Coast, I guess, between. For making Kendrick. Yeah, there was a few years. I would say the Gap to Game was way longer.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Than Game to Kendrick, in my opinion.

[Damaris]

Y'all feel like it was a really, like, a dry spell for the West?

[Mal]

I don't feel like that. I'm saying what people.

[Rory]

I love Tudor and Booty, and I mean that for real. I thought YG and Ty was going crazy before Kendrick popped.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I say YG ain't with YG.

[Mal]

I'm talking about on a major, major level.

[Damaris]

YG's not a major artist.

[Mal]

He's not.

[Rory]

Well, even because I was at Def Jam when Booted came out. No, there was also a time when YG was. Had that crazy to it and Booted record and then was quiet for a little bit. And then my crazy life came, and that was after Good Kid. So, yeah, I guess there's. We're from New York. It's been.

[Mal]

They about to get in our.

[Rory]

It's been dry.

[Damaris]

Well, we got.

[E]

Ice wise.

[Rory]

No, we got. We're fine now, but we've had some dry spells is what I'm saying. We got. Cash is going crazy.

[Mal]

When was our dry spell? And I'm talking about for major artists. Please. Well, all due respect to Cash and I love Cash, but that's not the type of artist that I'm talking about.

[Rory]

There was a. There was a weird time.

[Mal]

Everybody love Cash now, man, nobody never said they didn't like Cash Mall. You said that that was gonna be song of the summer. And we potentially disagree with you, which.

[E]

It'S not, because not like us is.

[Rory]

Don't ask me if I like Cash. When you're supposed to propose to Cash doll. Like, we both up with the Cashes.

[Mal]

We both up the bag. You were supposed to propose the Cash, dog.

[Rory]

I was supposed to like bag. Get it?

[Damaris]

Yeah. I was not supposed to propose the Cash, dog.

[Rory]

You know, in theory, though.

[Damaris]

No, I can't in theory that you.

[E]

Should Tweet at her.

[Rory]

Isn't she pregnant right now?

[Damaris]

Oh, never mind, Julian be saying I.

[E]

Don'T know her business.

[Damaris]

So that's why you should just shut the upper.

[E]

Did you know she was pregnant?

[Damaris]

Yes, Julian. This is her second child.

[E]

Good for her.

[Rory]

Either way, during our dry spell, I think people forgot that Nicki Minaj was from New York City.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So, like, we've been. Okay.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

During that dry spell. Big bar, a lot of time people were like, yo, New York got nothing. Like, come on, we got big guys from Queens.

[Damaris]

Like, we got Barty. Yeah, that's the Bronx.

[Rory]

But we're talking about, like, 2000s.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Mid 2000s, 2010s. It was rough.

[Mal]

It was rough before Nikki, I think.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Who was before Nikki?

[Rory]

Like, major French was great, but French was doing, like, mixtapes at that time, so.

[Damaris]

Fab.

[E]

Fab. Was that a little too early too, though?

[Rory]

Nah, that was a little. I don't mean too late. But Fab was already, like, established. Fab's Fab. Like, we didn't have any new artists. Yeah, we didn't have any, like, new French. Might have been. Yeah. Rocky. But why everyone was mad is Rocky at that time sounded like he was from Houston. That's why nobody really claimed that as New York. But I've always found that weird because everyone from the ASAP mob is, like, the most New Yorkers on earth.

[Mal]

Super New York.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Super Harlem. Yeah.

[Rory]

So that's why I never always subscribed to New York being dry at a time, because there was always something going on.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

And then we always. We had Song of the Summer for, like, six years in a row when no one was coming out of New York, you know, just.

[Mal]

Rico, what was our sixth song of the summer? Our six songs of the summer.

[Rory]

Young Ma, Bobby Shmurda.

[E]

The well run dry quick on this one, but the box. Roddy Rich, Pop, Smoke Pop.

[Rory]

You're saying west coast for R. Oh, my God.

[Mal]

Manolo Rose. Wow.

[Rory]

Shout out to Manila.

[Mal]

He just took me back.

[Rory]

But we always had a record, and it was usually the biggest record. But listen, Ice Spice, we good. Give me the line.

[Damaris]

I'm sending eggplant palm to, though. I can't wait to find the best eggplant in California.

[Rory]

Yep, it was a little crazy.

[Damaris]

Best eggplant.

[Rory]

Finding the best eggplant in Cali is crazy.

[E]

That Saddle Ranch, see, just be reaching, boy.

[Damaris]

Y'all be reaching for the homo.

[Rory]

You should stretch first.

[Mal]

I feel like if you find some homo out of some. That wasn't really homo you? The one with the gay ass brain.

[E]

He just said he would. The whole impetus of the bit was because people saying when he was on a bicycle riding dick, which was an eggplant. So the eggplant meaning dick, he's sending it to people.

[Damaris]

So if I say find the best eggplant use automatically.

[E]

Assume you said that, though. So when I say that, that we were talking about that, we're also talking.

[Damaris]

About eggplant, like food. Like.

[E]

Well, yeah, it's. It's become the food. But the initial.

[Damaris]

No, it was always the food. They. It became some other shit.

[E]

Oh, no, now I see. Well, that's a different conversation.

[Rory]

Feel like eggplant parm in Cali would be awful, though.

[Mal]

No, I feel like they got good eggplant. Where would you feel like eggplant with parm would be good?

[E]

Here?

[Damaris]

Great Italian restaurant.

[Rory]

Yeah, Where Italians congregate. Where we're sitting, not L. A block.

[E]

From where we're sitting.

[Damaris]

They have some good Italian restaurants.

[Rory]

La. Not John and Vinnie's, like the only Italian restaurant I know in la.

[Damaris]

Yeah, no, they have some good, good Italian spots, though.

[Rory]

Well, I mean, either way, he who smelt it gated, whatever you.

[Mal]

That expression is, he who smelt it, sucked it. Got it.

[Rory]

That was actually funny.

[Damaris]

I'm sorry.

[Rory]

I found that funny.

[Damaris]

This is. Finding this. This is what I found funny. So this whole clip is going viral with this guy that was. He attended his court hearing via Zoom, and apparently his driver license was suspended, which is why he was having a court hearing on Zoom.

[Rory]

Wasn't apparent. He had a suspended license.

[Damaris]

Well, well, the judge and myself were very confused. Let's just say that I was just as confused as the judge. The honorable Judge Cedric Simpson was in this case. So the guy calls into his Zoom, he dials into his Zoom, and he's driving on his way to his doctor's appointment. He says. And the judge starts looking at the camera like, this case is about not being able to drive because somebody's license suspended. Right. They're like, you hear the. The. I guess the DA or whoever saying, yes, that's exactly what this is about. So the judge is looking around like, I don't even know what to say. Let's just play the fucking clip, Julian.

[Rory]

I know you have it queued up at where the license suspense is. The funniest part to me is the beginning when he is driving and trying to, like, show off to the court how responsible he's being. He's like, I'm going to pull over and Be stationary very soon.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

He told the judge he was going to be stationary. Yeah got you guys in one second.

[Damaris]

Just look at the judge stationary. I'm pulling in right now at the second.

[E]

Yes, I am doing.

[Rory]

He thought he smoked that. He thought he was the most responsible. He's the guy that shows up for a parking ticket in a tie. Yeah, he's that guy.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like sir, I am here. I'm. I understand. I love your court.

[Damaris]

Right.

[E]

Big fan of the law. All right here. Here's when he pulls over judge the judge realizes what happened. So maybe I don't understand something. This is a driving one license suspended.

[Mal]

That is correct your honor.

[E]

And he was just driving and look at his mouth. He didn't have a license. They put him on both cameras.

[Damaris]

He don't know what to say.

[Mal]

That's what the charges.

[Rory]

He turned his camera on in the car.

[E]

He doesn't have a license. Got a seat belt on though and he's just driving.

[Rory]

You know he put that seat belt on before he hit his video on the zoom to show the court how responsible he was.

[Damaris]

Of course.

[Mal]

No way he that stupid.

[Damaris]

He raises.

[Rory]

He raised his hand.

[Damaris]

Yeah yeah.

[Rory]

I'm in the passenger seat.

[Damaris]

He like once the courtroom get quiet and they just start kerfuffling with papers and writing shit you going to jail.

[Rory]

You know I respect this judge. This judge was confused. He thought maybe his team fucked up.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like there's no way that this is case is about.

[Damaris]

Yeah. You hear how quiet the courtroom is?

[Rory]

Hello.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Yeah. Now we here one minute Mr. Harris. One minute your ass is ready to go to jail.

[Rory]

He's a take your fake cartiers off. You can look the judge in the eye.

[E]

I don't get it. Did he not know is that a slow bucks tea.

[Mal]

He didn't. He wasn't thinking about it when he did it.

[Damaris]

He said whenever the judge start looking at the clock look at the judge. Why do you do that? Why would he do that? Defendant's bond is revoked in this matter.

[E]

Defending his turn himself into the Washington county jail by 6pm today. I could drive there bench warrant with no bond.

[Damaris]

It's over. Thank you. Thank your honor.

[E]

Mr. Harris, I'll be giving you a call.

[Mal]

The lawyer is irritated bro.

[E]

Oh my God.

[Mal]

He's a.

[Damaris]

You know why? Because that's. That's just. See I listen I'm. I'm never for people going to jail for especially for dumb if it's some serious in the then cool. But that level of incompetence and that Level of just, like, just not being. Just being dumb. Go sit in the county. Go sit in the jail for a few hours. That's the type of go sit down. Cause you could have took that call anywhere. Anywhere other than a car. He could have been walking outside and took that call and been just fine.

[Mal]

He could have just parked.

[Rory]

The convenience of even being able to still do zoom with the court at this time, I think is a luxury for all of us.

[Damaris]

Exactly.

[Rory]

Because usually it's like, I just pay this shit because there's no way I'm going down to go fight this ticket, even if I'm right. Like, if I could have zoom and just be like, all right, look, here's a photo. I parked. Legally, this is a luxury to all citizens.

[Damaris]

And he. And the crazy part is he's in the car with somebody. Why they wasn't driving stationary like you. I just don't. That level of just, you know.

[Rory]

Okay. He really wasn't. Let me shoot him some bail.

[Mal]

He really wasn't. I don't think he was even thinking.

[Damaris]

His bond is revoked. With no bail, you ain't got to shoot him. No fucking bail. If he's not at the courthouse by 6pm that day, I'll pay his bond. Yeah, he's fucking out of here.

[Rory]

I'm saying, I have had a suspended license for a long time and been with people that have legal license that could have drove my car, and I didn't let them. Why could you not drive my car?

[Damaris]

Why, though?

[Rory]

Because I'm a better driver with a suspended license than you are with a real one.

[Damaris]

But how do you know?

[Rory]

You can't even parallel park.

[Damaris]

Okay. Who are you in the car with, though? Like, were they not good?

[Rory]

It's happened multiple times. Friends, women.

[E]

Women.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I know. It's really good. Women drivers, though, like, mad.

[Rory]

Really, really good.

[E]

Never heard you speak great about a woman driver.

[Damaris]

Uber drivers. No, but I did get one.

[Rory]

I did professional ones, right?

[Damaris]

I know. I did get one female Uber driver that I had to ask her halfway through driving. I'm like, yo, how many brothers you got? Cause she was whipping that shit like she was trying to get me away from a shootout. I'm like, yo, why is she five stars? I wasn't mad, but I was. I never had a female Uber driver that drove that aggressive and that. Like, I loved it. She was like. She asked me like, you want me to. Like, I said, no, no, no, you're doing great. But I know that you men taught you how to drive. And she was like, yeah, she was the only girl. Seven brothers. I said, oh, there you go.

[Rory]

I mean when I got my DUI that got thrown out, I drove to.

[Damaris]

Port, threw it out.

[Rory]

So I had to go every two weeks, Every Thursday, Every two weeks on a Thursday. And the cop kept not showing up. And this went on for like six months. It ended up being thrown out because the cop was corrupt as and up. And that's why I got thrown out. I was drunk.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Let's be, let's be real, let's be honest.

[E]

Let's be clear. He fucked up.

[Damaris]

It wasn't, it wasn't that you weren't drunk.

[Rory]

My court appointed lawyer was like, yeah, we're going to calibrate the, the breathalyzer. I'm sure it was wrong. He came back the next week. She was super accurate. Can't use that.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So I just kept going every two weeks and the cop would not show up. But I had a suspended license already when I got arrested, so I had that charge as well. But how else was I supposed to get from Teaneck, New Jersey to Newark?

[Mal]

Why were you in tnc New Jersey?

[Rory]

I was at. Going to Fairly Dickinson University.

[E]

Getting some.

[Rory]

Tea in the dorms at that time.

[Damaris]

And he was just drunk driving.

[Rory]

I mean it was from the summertime and then I went to. That's how long it was. Six months of going every two weeks.

[Damaris]

Got you.

[Rory]

So yeah, I just kept going. I've. I drove my car with a suspended license. Like how I have to get to court. Oh, I feel this guy. Like.

[Damaris]

Yeah. But I don't feel him because like.

[Rory]

If it was a zoom, I'd be in the computer lab. But yeah, like I had to get to court somehow. So I drove my car.

[Mal]

I think he forgot.

[Rory]

Six months to court with a suspended license. How else was I gonna get there?

[Mal]

I think he forgot that he had court. This is the only way I can realize being this stupid. You people can. If it's on zoom, you could for. Oh, my court dates today.

[Damaris]

Your lawyer, your lawyer is.

[Rory]

I'm not turning that camera on. I'm getting out of the car and say I'm in the park.

[Mal]

I just don't think he was thinking.

[Damaris]

I don't think that's what I said.

[Mal]

Because he'd be driving so much. He probably like he be driving so much for that license. He probably didn't even put the together.

[Damaris]

Yeah. So that level.

[Mal]

He's still an idiot. But I can see how you like.

[Rory]

Me walking into that courtroom and pouring a shot and be like, yo, I forgot I'm in court for my drinking and driving. Like, I take a shot or taking.

[Damaris]

Or taking.

[Rory]

His charge is a suspended license. He's driving. It's the same way. If I walked in, took a shot, and then walked out and got caught.

[Damaris]

It would be the same as if you took that zoom call from the bar.

[Rory]

With my key. With my keys dangling, like, yo, can we wrap this up? Cause I gotta go.

[Damaris]

You walk to the car and they get the lock. It's like your way with hold. Like, fam. You just walked out the bar. You walk into the car.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Like, nah. Yeah, that's.

[Rory]

No, he's. I'm just saying, driving on the suspended license is one of the most normal things.

[Mal]

Oh, all right.

[Rory]

On earth.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

And I drove to the new court for you.

[Damaris]

For you driving with a suspended license. Answering the zoom call while you're driving is not a regular thing. That's. We. We will never see that again. That's like seeing a unicorn right there. I don't think we'll ever see anything like that. Level of stupidity is just.

[E]

I would take it up a notch. Should he be able to vote just being that dumb?

[Damaris]

Probably vote for Biden.

[Mal]

No, he look like he's probably gonna vote. Yeah.

[Rory]

He actually gives me Trump.

[E]

That looks like that was a Trump face.

[Mal]

I'm telling you.

[Rory]

That gives me right there.

[Damaris]

That's. That's Biden. That's those. That's a Biden baby right there.

[Mal]

Nah, they cut it off.

[Rory]

He probably said at the end of this clip. Now I know how Trump feels.

[Damaris]

This is.

[Rory]

This is ridiculous.

[E]

That's Trump.

[Damaris]

He was actually, like. He's about to say Biden said that this was America. And, you know, if I didn't vote for him, I was.

[Mal]

He was smiling. The camera. First of all, you got your camera on. You really think you cute smiling in the camera. Idiot.

[Rory]

He tried to talk.

[Mal]

The way his mouth dropped when the. When he figured the out.

[E]

This is so funny.

[Damaris]

And I love that. You know what I really love about this? The fact that it's an older black male judge.

[E]

Thank God.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

That. That this was. Because he just looking like.

[Mal]

No, I wish it would have been a black.

[Damaris]

I know he wanted to say, you stupid. I know the judge wanted to say.

[E]

Stationary.

[Damaris]

Playing with him. Are you stationary? Yes, I am. Look at the judge, like, smiling like, look at this dumb.

[Mal]

If it was a black woman judge, yo, this would have been real.

[E]

Yes, I am.

[Damaris]

I'm doing the ride now. Yes, I am. And you going to jail right now. Get your ass down here to this courthouse and getting that. They just left the cell open. You walk your ass in there, man. Just go sit down.

[Rory]

Yeah, he's definitely the type of show up to court, like, tries to make cute jokes to the judge.

[Damaris]

Go sit down. Go sit down, man. Go sit down.

[Rory]

Yeah, well, anyways.

[Damaris]

Well, hopefully he's out of jail. And, you know, I was so paranoid.

[Rory]

Too, when I did that. For six months, I was parking so far away from the courthouse.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

To just walk as far the as I could so no one could see that I was driving when I was walking into a courthouse.

[Damaris]

Thought you use. Using your brain. This guy clearly doesn't have one, but it's all right. Hopefully he's working on getting his license back so that he doesn't have to be going to zoom call on and while he's driving again. So. But that's a funny clip. It. It is what it is. That's not much jail time, though, right? Driving I like. Nah, he'll be fine. That's not. No jail time.

[Rory]

No, he'll have to pay whatever the fine is.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

He'll spend a night.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah, that ain't.

[Rory]

I mean, unless he can't pay and he might sit there for a little.

[Damaris]

Bit, he'll be all right. We got any voicemails?

[E]

We do. In the spirit of all this beef glazing and glazing and anger that we've had not only on the podcast, just all over the Internet sphere, I wanted to play a voicemail where we could share something with each other that has to do with this and give this person advice.

[Julian]

What's good. John Tay from St. Louis. I'll be 32 this year. Big, big fan of the show. Been rocking with y'all since the beginning, man.

[Damaris]

Appreciate that.

[Julian]

So this is my question for y'all. So for background, me and my old lady got into an argument last week, and long story short, she was right. You feel me? So me, I don't have problems with admitting when I'm wrong or saying, like, damn, babe, I fucked up. You know what I'm saying? But my issue.

[Rory]

She does.

[Julian]

With trying to deal with my. Is that, you know, we got into this argument, but could I have avoided that if I just would have shut the up in a moment, you feel me? Like, I don't want to take my lady through all these loops and all this stuff if I don't have to? Like, is that my ego? You know what I'm saying? I don't know what it is. So my question to y'all is when you. When you arguing with somebody that could be your spouse, a friend, you know, business for anybody. How do you deal with knowing, like, damn, I actually might be wrong in this moment, and I need to shut up and listen, you know what I'm saying? Like, how do y'all. How do y'all handle knowing when. Is this my ego? Is this my gut? Or, you know, I just want to hear y'all discernment on how y'all handle with them, how y'all deal with them situations. So love what y'all do, man. Appreciate y'all. I want to know y'all thoughts.

[Rory]

I mean, he has the awareness. You just have to remind yourself of the awareness when the ego and rage starts to ensue.

[Damaris]

Yeah. I think it also depends on exactly what you're arguing about. Like, if it's you and your. Your girl and your. We know. Whatever you're arguing about in the moment, if you know that she's right, just shut the fuck up and tell her you right. I don't. I don't know why people can't just. To me, that's just such an easy. Because what happens if you're wrong in a debate, especially with your significant other? Like, what's. What's the worst that could happen?

[Rory]

And this. This won't be gaslighting or manipulation. This is healthy. I promise. If you start to take the L when you're wrong and admit you're wrong and continue doing that, you put the pressure on her to have to do the same. Because if you start combating every last thing like I've done in the past, it's just a. A whole tornado of all the time, because no one will take accountability. No one will say they're wrong. We're just gonna argue all day until we hate each other and we get too tired and go to sleep.

[Damaris]

You know when you really mastered, like, a different level of yourself, when you know you're right in the argument or debate and you shut the up and let her have it, and then, like, two hours later, it hits her that you're right? Oh, man, that's just God's way of winking at you.

[Rory]

Yeah. It's just tough to find a woman that would ever really just let her.

[Damaris]

Just let her go, let her have it. And then she realizes just doing some regular. And you'll just be looking at her.

[E]

Like you're saying self. The woman would have to do some self reflection or not.

[Rory]

I mean, I don't know if women know how to do that.

[Damaris]

But I see he getting into a whole different debate now.

[Rory]

What?

[Damaris]

No, nothing. Eggplant emojis in your comments.

[E]

How?

[Rory]

Really?

[Damaris]

I don't know. I'm still trying to figure. I don't know, man. I don't know.

[Rory]

Who's the girl in this? Kendrick or Drake?

[Damaris]

See, I'm not. I didn't receive. See, Julian, I didn't respond. I didn't say nothing.

[Rory]

But, no, to be serious. Doing that and holding yourself accountable will start to put pressure on her that she has to do the same when she's wrong.

[Damaris]

It.

[Rory]

It evens things out in a healthy way. It's not a manipulative way. Yo, I fucked up. I was wrong here. Are you right? Cool. Next time, when you're right, which I'm sure you are 99% of the time because you're a man and she's a woman, it's going to start to dawn on her the amount of times you've taken accountability.

[E]

True as the man. Yeah, he's definitely right.

[Rory]

And if you want to get a little sassy and a little toxic, you can bring up the few times that you said, yo, when I was wrong. I said I was wrong. You seem to have trouble with that. You should figure that out. You see, this seems like a you thing, because when we argue and I'm wrong, I say, yo, I'm sorry, You're right. I apologize. Why is that so tough for you?

[E]

It's her fault.

[Damaris]

Yeah. And then you throw in. Maybe you should see a therapist.

[E]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Oh, you know, you throw that in there. Oh, she turned into the chat.

[Rory]

I think I'm starting to realize this has nothing to do with me and everything to do with what's in your head.

[Damaris]

Yeah. What buried trauma are you, like, fighting right now? Like, what's.

[Rory]

What's. You're mad at your father. You're not mad at me.

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Rory]

This has nothing to do with the dishes in the sink.

[Damaris]

It's a deeper darker.

[Rory]

And I'm here to help you.

[E]

Damn.

[Damaris]

See, I never looked at it.

[E]

That's all we're really trying to do at the end of the day is help women.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Ciao. Look, be careful the way that y'all argue, because most of the times when y'all are dis. Especially if you're in a relationship when you're disagreeing about something and also with, like, family, too, what you're disagreeing about is how the other one feels about something. It's not. You're not arguing a fact. You're arguing feelings. So when you're arguing feelings, sometimes people will be right, but most times there's no right or wrong answer. Just make sure you're disagreeing with each other. In love, it shouldn't be a big argument. There should be no disrespect. There should be no stepping on people's points. Just learn how to talk to each other so then you don't have anything to apologize for. You see, I'm saying, like, if I, if we agree to listen, we're just going to agree to disagree. Because at the end of the day, if our goal is to be together and to have a healthy, functioning relationship, then us arguing with each other is not working toward that goal. So if our goal is that, then it's just, okay, you think this way, I think this way. We don't think the same. Let's just agree to disagree and pick a way to move forward together and not disrespect each other. Argue at each other, yell at each other, like, none of that shit. This is like, none of that shit is necessary.

[Rory]

And if it doesn't work, just be like, oh, I see, you just want to argue. So if you just want to argue, let's argue.

[Damaris]

Yeah, no, don't never do that. Don't do that.

[E]

Never do that.

[Damaris]

Don't ever do a Rory.

[Rory]

Oh, I see what you're doing. You just want to argue. You don't want to find resolution.

[Mal]

And also, let's argue at our big ass age. Like, we're old, y'all. We none of us should be with people who don't know how to admit that they're wrong. I'm quick to admit that I'm wrong. When I'm wrong.

[Damaris]

When I'm wrong.

[Rory]

Never happen.

[Mal]

No, I'm wrong.

[Damaris]

I apologize a lot, but the when I'm wrong is always subjective. Like, y'all like to use the when I'm wrong. Like, that's like, was I really wrong?

[Mal]

But it's not even about being wrong in the argument. It's about being wrong and how you, like I said, how you handled the argument. Because there's some things that, in my relationship, a lot with my little sister, when you really, really love somebody and they really, really love you, they know your trigger points. And sometimes they might push them accidentally or on purpose.

[Rory]

No, they push the red button.

[Mal]

Yeah, they push. They push the red button and then it's. I overreact. So. And my thing when I was younger was, okay, you know that this is going to cause me to become a different human being. And you did it anyway. I feel like that was spiteful because what I used to feel like my family would do a lot to me, would poke little buttons, and then when I start trying to burn the house down, everybody's like, oh, Damaris, you're fucking crazy. You're fucking crazy. But you knew I was gonna have that reaction when you did it. Now that I'm an adult, I apologize now. Like, okay, even if you were purposely trying to trigger me, whether it was purposely fault or not, I apologize for taking it too far, because I shouldn't have taken it too far. I can't control what you say. I can only control my reaction. I feel like that's adulthood. So none of us should be dating people who don't know how to admit that they overreacted or that they reacted in a disrespectful way.

[E]

Yeah. Even outside of dating with friends and work, I feel like I've entered this phase of, I don't know, for better or worse, kind of an avoidance phase, where if it's not. I'm not even like, on the big, like, holistic heal me tip, but, like, if it's. If it's someone that's like bringing constant negativity or just a nuisance in my life, and especially if they've done me wrong in the past, to my face or behind closed doors, whatever the case may be, I can gladly just remove myself from that relationship and just go about what I deem to be the right way to handle something. Which I think what Demer said earlier, like, if you have a common goal, which in one case I did with someone, and then they go off the hook, disrespect the shit out of you, and then you choose to not go with that person anymore or talk to them or whatever the case may be, I still haven't changed. I haven't switched up. I'm still choosing this thing. I'm not. I'm just not trying to change who I am, nor do I want to continue to argue. I'm just done with that. I don't want to waste energy arguing. I think it's just. It's a. Gives me a headache, makes you feel like a worse version of yourself. You sleep shitty at night, fucks up your eating. Like, there's so much, like, reverberation that happens when you surround yourself with those kind of people that I'm just choosing to, like, implicitly ignore.

[Damaris]

You sound like you're in your soft girl era.

[E]

I've low key, like the last, like three, four months. I've really Been in like a leave me the alone.

[Damaris]

Yeah, you have.

[Mal]

If we're not operating on the same wavelength to the point where we can't agree or disagree in a respectful way that works toward a goal, then we don't need to be around each other.

[E]

Yeah.

[Mal]

No matter who you are.

[E]

To Damaris's point, two of the people that I'm referring to have tried to do the spin the block. My bad. Nope. You very much jumped out. I'm good. Keep it. I'm straight because I'm sleeping much better now.

[Mal]

There's some people I will forgive for jumping out the gate, and then some people just. You haven't earned that forgiveness from me. You. You're not that big of a factor in my life for me to go out of my way to forgive you. No, you jumped out. And you don't belong over here anyway.

[E]

Stand on.

[Mal]

I can't do that with my little sister, though. I have to accept her because of.

[Rory]

The whole, like, family.

[Mal]

Yeah. Chick trash.

[Damaris]

God forbid.

[Mal]

But yes, for you.

[Rory]

I don't speak so much of my family.

[Damaris]

What?

[Rory]

My family.

[Damaris]

What? But no.

[Mal]

Yeah, for him, definitely. Just make sure you're. You're apologizing and you're leading with love in your arguments. And you. You're not saying anything in your arguments that you can't take back because you can't unring a bell.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Once you call me a bald head, like I'm gonna remember that. You know what I'm saying? No matter whether I was wrong or not, like I'm gonna remember that.

[Rory]

Okay. Were you ball headed at the time.

[Damaris]

And were you being a. Yeah, see.

[E]

We gotta look into those things.

[Damaris]

Yeah, you see, that's the things you got to look into.

[E]

It could just be observational.

[Damaris]

Exactly.

[Rory]

But he seems like he has the tools. He's aware of what. He just has to remind himself when ego feelings come up.

[Damaris]

Juliet is so gay. I like this guy. You don't know this.

[E]

What? To have that self awareness and to. To want to check yourself and ask people that you. Before you wreck yourself, want advice from.

[Damaris]

Yeah, he could be lying.

[E]

You could send him some parm.

[Damaris]

Be a piece of shit.

[E]

He doesn't sound like one.

[Mal]

It did. He didn't sound like one either.

[E]

No, he always did.

[Rory]

Yeah, I mean, he never sounded like.

[E]

He changed his name to Love.

[Mal]

I was gonna say that. That didn't give y'all narcissistic vibes. They didn't give y'all narcissistic.

[Damaris]

Now. Now, knowing what we know, he. He knew what was coming he tried to get out of the way of that love. Yeah, I know. No love, huh?

[Rory]

Yeah, because at least like Puff Daddy, Puff to Puff Daddy, Diddy P. Diddy to Diddy, like, everything started to make sense with the tree, and then it was just like, yo, love. Yeah, we're just love now.

[Damaris]

Love. I need to spread more love.

[Rory]

I bet we do this.

[Damaris]

It's true. Spread more of it.

[Rory]

We got one more.

[E]

Yeah. Speaking of chicken parm, third eggplant farm. Hey, what's up, guys? This is Nick from North Carolina. Big fan of the pod. Shout out to everybody involved. Big looks to Damaris. I don't really ever agree with a lot of what she says, but I still respect that she holds it down and thank you. Y'all gotta stop talking over, please. But Big looks embarrassed.

[Damaris]

Calling with a pie with a question.

[E]

Is it hip hop to make audible sounds when you're eating Ben and Jerry's, Reese's, PC's ice cream? Like, I'm talking, going or. Oh, so good. Like, just sounding refreshed, sounding happy with life. I'm just curious because I feel like personally. Personally, I don't question it because I do it.

[Rory]

Clearly. We know that.

[Damaris]

I feel like on the low, mom.

[E]

Would do the same thing.

[Damaris]

You got them all up.

[E]

So I just had that question.

[Rory]

He said, you do that with a cone.

[Mal]

Let's widen it to eating anything extravagant because I have a combo from this. But do you guys moan when you eat?

[Damaris]

No, you've never.

[Rory]

I've said, like. That's good.

[E]

What about, like, a happy dance? I get the food. Happy dance.

[Mal]

Yeah, I do, too.

[Damaris]

Then that's the level of, like, autism.

[Mal]

I think it is, too. No, real, like. I think you're right. But I do dance.

[Rory]

Wait, enjoying your food?

[Damaris]

Like, dancing?

[E]

Well, you were eating vegan. There's nothing to dance about.

[Damaris]

You just.

[Rory]

You can't really be in this conversation.

[Damaris]

See, this is why I can't with you. He just ate some from Spicy Moon. Came here. You've got to try this. This is amazing. This bucket of noodles in his hand.

[Rory]

It did smell good.

[Damaris]

And now he come in here talking about, oh, you eat vegan, so that it tastes like. That's what I'm saying. These Kendrick fans that come out of nowhere the same way him. This guy just came in here this morning. You gotta try this. It's vegan. I'm a Spicy Moon.

[Mal]

Okay, now.

[Damaris]

Now all of a sudden, vegan food. Now all of a sudden, vegan food tastes like.

[Rory]

It does.

[Damaris]

No, it doesn't.

[E]

Wrong.

[Damaris]

Y'all just eat. Y'all don't know where to get good vegan food.

[Mal]

Vegan food doesn't taste.

[Rory]

I say this is really good when it's vegan because I'm so surprised that this vegan food is good.

[E]

It's always surprising. Yeah, don't do that. That's why the food I got earlier is vegan, and it was delicious.

[Rory]

All right. The shittiest pizza I've had is better than the best vegan food.

[Mal]

I've had that vegan burgers that we had made for us and shout out to them, but, oh, he was the.

[Rory]

Noobs, so it's cool. Yeah, that was the best I ever had them.

[Mal]

Vegan burgers were really good. I know.

[Rory]

Yeah. I'm saying.

[E]

Oh, those.

[Rory]

Yeah. No, that was the best food.

[E]

Hot dogs.

[Rory]

Hot dogs were good.

[E]

Vegan hot dog. I'm not even.

[Rory]

But hot dogs, we don't even know what's in it to begin with.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You could stuff anything with hot dog.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Which is what they do, actually. Any scraps, put it in there.

[Rory]

So how do you think they landed on. Because hot dogs are good, but how do you think they landed on that whole formula?

[Damaris]

Just one day there was. There was a meat markets or butcher markets, and it was a bunch of scraps, and it was like, yo, we could probably. We getting tired of throwing this out every night. Yeah, we could probably do something with this. Let's fucking grind this up. Make it into paste or something.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Put it through a tube and fudgeing. Let people grill it and deep fry it.

[Rory]

Delicious.

[Mal]

So I've never had a deep fry hot dog.

[Rory]

The best deep fried hot dogs are by far.

[Damaris]

I think you could deep fry anything. You could deep fry a whole nigga. And I think. I'm sorry, I'm just saying, like, deep fried turkey. Like, when they started frying turkeys, I was all.

[Rory]

Never seen racism and the LGBTQ community come together.

[Damaris]

Listen, we're conquering all platforms here today.

[E]

Deep fry.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

So going into his off of his question, I had a conversation with Alex, and we came up with the idea that do men enjoy food as much as women do? Like, really?

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mal]

Because.

[Damaris]

Well, I don't know. I've never enjoyed it as a woman, but I enjoy food.

[E]

But you guys, Caitlyn Jenner, you guys.

[Rory]

Have a full experience with food that we don't have because we are stressed while we're eating. Because we have to pay for it.

[E]

Because we're paying for it. Yeah.

[Damaris]

God.

[Rory]

We have to put on. We have to be funny, charming. We have to pay for the food.

[Mal]

Rory gonna bring up how he paid.

[Rory]

For some handle the date I'm going off. I didn't offend men paying for women's dates. What are you talking about?

[Damaris]

It tastes great when she pick up the check. So every single time I'm coming here.

[Mal]

Every week, every single time you eat you on a date, you don't eat no other meals.

[Rory]

I have. I pay for all my meals. Groceries by myself or with someone else.

[Mal]

Okay. And I'm single. I pay for all my meals, too. And I still in probably.

[Damaris]

No, you don't. No, I'm not gonna let you get that off. Cause a few weeks ago, you came in here and you told a story about you went on a date with somebody and he paid or some shit. So don't say you pay for all your meal.

[Mal]

That was literally like four months ago.

[Rory]

I know.

[Mal]

I've been counting.

[Rory]

I was gonna land my point. Okay. Shout out to Studio 71. They took us out to dinner. I had more fun on that dinner knowing that I was not paying for anything on that fucking menu. I was tasting apps. I don't even eat seafood. I was like, yo, give me that shrimp. I was trying anything. I was gleeful. Was a shitty restaurant. Had like five stars, all that. But I hate those restaurants. But I was so gleeful and enjoying myself because I had no stress. This isn't coming out of my bank account. I'm not responsible for anything that happens with this food except for when I.

[E]

Have to take a around and get dessert.

[Rory]

So, yeah, there's a different experience between men and women and enjoying food.

[Mal]

Rory, Me and yomi go out and eat. Me and all my homegirls go out and eat and eat crazier than we do with men. What are you talking about?

[Rory]

But what's. What's more gleeful?

[Mal]

When you dance When I'm with my homegirls and I don't got a nigga thinking he gonna take me home. Cause he just fed me a steak, actually.

[Damaris]

But that's cause you don't like men.

[Mal]

That's not.

[Rory]

See, you ain't think about that.

[E]

You don't even like men like that.

[Mal]

I'm trying to actually get to the actual fucking.

[Rory]

You don't.

[Damaris]

Yummy don't like me. She tolerates man, but she don't like men. Like if y'all species. If yomi woke up in the morning, all men were going to the planet, yo. Like, it's a beautiful day outside.

[Mal]

Yeah, true. That's not. You don't even know yomi like that.

[Damaris]

You disagree?

[Mal]

You know me like men living.

[Rory]

I mean, we're not talking that way. We're just saying men is like a species. I'd be ecstatic if all men were gone. I'd be worried about our plumbing system or, like, you know, construction, but other than that. Yeah, I'd like to see them gone.

[Mal]

I was asking a serious question. But somehow you managed to make it misogynistic. I don't know how you just pulled the misogyny out your left ass crack.

[Rory]

Because I'm misogynistic.

[E]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

And that's okay. See, self awareness. He knows he's misunderstanding, but he also.

[E]

Picks up the tab.

[Rory]

Yeah, I believe in double standards.

[Damaris]

Healthy. We need them. That's why it's two bathrooms.

[Rory]

But I'm also a friend of the feminist. I think I'm pretty well balanced.

[Mal]

Can y'all give this man some advice? My question?

[Rory]

No, I liked your question.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

Yes. I think women enjoy things more than men do. I think men have.

[Damaris]

Women enjoy food more than men do. Because women all 17 of their personalities when they eat. That's what it is. So that's like one of the personalities. Like, girl, this is good. Y'all talk to yourself when y'all eat and everything.

[E]

That is true.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[E]

That's like the personality doing that.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[E]

Here. That's not like a knock, but I've seen you like, herself. I'm like, are you talking to me? He's like, no word.

[Damaris]

Yeah. When y'all do that. He had me up thinking that I moan when I eat. I don't. Sir, I don't know where you're from. Calling from again. I don't do that. I don't moan when I eat. Not hip hop.

[Rory]

It's kind of wild. I've definitely said it, though. I've said not to like betting Jerry's.

[Damaris]

But me.

[E]

Yeah, you eating that.

[Mal]

Same is too masculine to enjoy food.

[Damaris]

I'm chewing. I'm enjoying my food. But I'm like, I'm not doing that. What is that? And who am I talking to? The chef.

[Mal]

So your eyes never rose to the back of your head? You was never like, oh, my God.

[Damaris]

This is something never in my fucking life. And I've been to some of the greatest restaurants in the world. I've never rolled my eyes to the back of my head and bowed my voice and said, fuck.

[E]

This is really over a string.

[Damaris]

Are you kidding me? Get the fuck.

[Mal]

Which is why I said, men and women, not even that being gay, but it's just like, men and women do enjoy food differently because I've had food that has damn near given me an orgasm. Like, I feel it in my whole entire body. Like, I really. Food is really an experience to me. It's my favorite thing in the world. And I feel like more women feel like that than men. I feel like y'all just eat just to, like, survive.

[Rory]

All right, this isn't a misogynistic thing. What's the opposite? What's the feministic thing?

[Mal]

Ms. Sandra.

[Rory]

We're all misandras.

[Damaris]

That was my homeroom.

[Rory]

I was about to say that I had Ms. Sandra.

[Damaris]

I know.

[E]

Hair products.

[Rory]

Taught social studies.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Fuck is that?

[Rory]

We're not allowed to enjoy things. You guys do not allow us to enjoy things. We can't even think.

[Mal]

Puppies are still misogynistic.

[Damaris]

Let me. But you women.

[Rory]

Wait, no. Y'all put that on us.

[Damaris]

But let me tell you why y'all.

[Rory]

Y'all would call us gay if we did that.

[Damaris]

Let me tell you why the marriage is funny. Because if you was on a date with a. And he was chewing, he said you would never go on a date. Exactly.

[Rory]

We couldn't do it if we wanted to.

[Damaris]

You would never go, stop. Don't do that. We not doing this.

[Mal]

That's not true.

[Damaris]

Because they say I yell at you, and I'm never yelling at you. I just get it.

[Mal]

I just get yelling at me, though, right?

[Damaris]

I. I'm not yelling at you.

[E]

I'm yelling at the conversation around you.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Like, it's like. You ever seen Wanted, the movie. It's like I'm throwing the bullet around you. Just.

[Rory]

Just curving.

[Damaris]

It looks like it's going at you.

[Rory]

But it's like it's going to Morgan Freeman's head.

[Damaris]

Exactly like you. If you. If you want a date with a guy, he was eating and he said. Did a little shuffle in his.

[Rory]

You would never go like, I'm relishing in this.

[Damaris]

The shuffle so good. I'm so glad we picked this spot.

[Mal]

This shuffle.

[Damaris]

You would actually. You would get up and leave that nigga there.

[Mal]

The shuffle was crazy. But if he said, like, okay, like, I would not.

[E]

I'll speak about the marriage.

[Damaris]

I almost threw my phone at you. Don't. Stop playing with me. Stop fucking playing with me.

[Rory]

We are suppressed.

[Damaris]

Stop playing.

[Rory]

We are suppressed to be like, yeah, fire. You know, that steak is dope.

[E]

I'll speak about the food, but I won't be like. Like, I'll. I'll talk about it. These Brussels sprouts are amazing. I'll say that.

[Damaris]

Like, this is good. Like, oh, this is good. Yeah, but what about.

[Mal]

What about like a. Like a. Oh, wow.

[Damaris]

Who are you? When is saying oh, wow to food? Oh, wow. What?

[Rory]

Darius, you and I on a date. Brussels sprouts come, we're splitting, and I go, oh, wow.

[Mal]

Okay. Not the way. Look how nasty that shoulder was.

[Rory]

You would never allow to enjoy food like that. I can't do that.

[Mal]

You did it gay. But me. And when we had the.

[Rory]

You did it gay.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Julian was like, oh. Like, Julian was like, oh, wow, these are good. Like, we were surprised.

[Rory]

Oh, wow.

[Damaris]

Julian is gay. Sex in the city. He's also a gay man. And it's okay. I love him. I still love him.

[E]

Brussels sprouts. What was like last week?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Or.

[Mal]

Yeah, Monday.

[E]

Monday. On Monday. And they were very good. And we did not. I did not. Ooh. I just ate them and they were delicious.

[Mal]

No, you were like. No, these are like.

[Damaris]

These are good.

[Rory]

Like.

[E]

Yeah, okay.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that's. These are good. That's okay. You can.

[Rory]

Yeah, they went crazy with the truffle. That's as far as we can go.

[E]

We split something else. That was really good, too.

[Mal]

Calamari. But what if. Okay, I'm just trying to figure out a way that a man can be excited without coming across as a homosexual.

[Rory]

And who do you think that comes from?

[Damaris]

I'll give you.

[Rory]

That's what I'm asking.

[Mal]

I've already said that men not being able to just have fun is coming from men. Yes, we as women uphold your fucking patriarchal bullshit, but y'all come up with that shit. You know how I just. Like, y'all are telling me what men can't do, can and cannot do. How niggas are calling y'all asking, what's hip hop? They're not calling and asking me was hip hop. They calling and asking y'all. And I'm going to take these ideas and I'm going to go on a date, and I'm going to say, oh, my God, he was too excited about the food. And Marlon, Rory said that this is a sign of gayness. So we're.

[Damaris]

And I haven't lied to you yet, have I?

[Rory]

And if we rewind the tape, I'll ask the question again. Would you date a man that sucked a dick or what would you call him as a bisexual?

[E]

Oh, I would call him bisexual.

[Mal]

He's bisexual.

[Rory]

We asked that question.

[Damaris]

Did y'all say on social media, a man that ever sucked a dick in his Life can't be nothing more than me, than his sister. Which I've been saying.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Damaris]

A man that smoke hookah could be nothing more to me than just a home girl. One of all kind of y'all be saying.

[Mal]

My ex girlfriend is very pro. If you smoke hookah, you're gay. She thinks men sucking on hookah tips is the gayest in the world. I have heavily disagreed with her. Like, I don't think that men smoking hookah is gay, but I think she got that from a man. I think a man set that precedent.

[Rory]

Yo, I changed a gay man.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

No, a woman did.

[Damaris]

What?

[Rory]

I changed the hookah cold once and, like, blew out the. The dust that was there. And this girl said, damn. I know Rory was like that.

[Damaris]

I didn't know that. E. I never knew you blew out hookah, Cole before. I never knew that.

[Rory]

I was like, what the that mean? It's funny as it all comes from y'all. We can't enjoy things or do anything.

[Mal]

Fun from other men.

[Damaris]

Y'all. Y'all.

[Mal]

The amount of women on each other that outside of.

[Rory]

Of women finding Basley super cute. The amount of women I've seen in my comments and in real life, that is like. Now I kind of let you a little weird when you had a multiple.

[Mal]

Because they got that from other men. Because men are like, you can't have that ass dog. That's a dog.

[Damaris]

Yeah. You're supposed to be walking around with a baby rot or something like that.

[Rory]

For what?

[Damaris]

I don't know.

[Rory]

I can protect myself. And I like to cuddle with Basley. To me, that's the most masculine thing that could happen.

[Damaris]

Some like to cuddle with, you know, red nose pits. Like, I don't know.

[Rory]

First of all, I have cuddled with a pit before. They're great.

[Mal]

They're the best cuddlers.

[Rory]

Yeah. Pits are really good cuddlers.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Great dogs.

[Mal]

But I. I just. Sir, Enjoy your ice cream. Enjoy your ice cream.

[Rory]

I forgot we were even talking about that.

[Mal]

They gonna call you gay. I don't think you're gay.

[Rory]

Was it a cone or a cup?

[E]

He said he gets the pint of Ben and Jerry's peanut butter. Was it.

[Mal]

You know, he licked a spoon.

[E]

Reese's peanut butter.

[Rory]

That one's good, though.

[E]

When's a mall? You ever. No one's really say it's in a cone.

[Damaris]

No.

[E]

You bite the bottom of the cone so it's hollowed out, and you suck the ice cream through the back of the cone.

[Damaris]

Julian, I will beat the Back teeth out of your mouth. Stop playing with me.

[Mal]

Yo, I'm still in that. I will beat the back teeth out.

[Damaris]

He asked me if I bite the bottom of a cone and suck the ice cream through it.

[E]

You never done that?

[Damaris]

No, I've never done that.

[Rory]

The reason why I never did cones and liked a cup was actually gayer because I was like, oh, I hated getting sticky.

[E]

Well, the pro moves, the combo, you do the cup.

[Rory]

That's like. I thought it was way more masculine.

[E]

When they got the cone cup, you put the.

[Rory]

My ass was like, I'd rather the spoon.

[Mal]

Am I too old to run outside for the ice cream truck? I ran outside.

[Rory]

I did it this week.

[Damaris]

The name is the answer. Yes.

[Mal]

Pajamas, yesterday, to get ice cream.

[Rory]

I did it this past weekend.

[Mal]

Like, I was running to the truck. I know.

[Damaris]

I know.

[Mal]

He was looking at me like, girl, you are too big to be running to this ice cream.

[Damaris]

Because first of all, the truck ain't going nowhere. It's gonna park.

[Mal]

He was driving. I had to catch him before he left the block. I had my.

[Damaris]

That means there wasn't nobody outside then.

[Mal]

Yeah, it wasn't nobody else.

[Rory]

That's what I'm saying. There's only a few kids on my block, so I gotta. I gotta run. So they.

[Mal]

Yeah, they leave Rory's block. They leave, they got to stay.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but what kind of ice cream truck?

[E]

I was gonna say, what's your order? What do you guys get?

[Mal]

So I used.

[Damaris]

It ain't Mr. Softy. Pause.

[Mal]

It was the Mr. Softy. Because I wasn't running after. After this. That's some shit I could buy in the grocery store. It was Mr. Softy, okay? But from that, I used to get the Tweety Bird with the gumball eyes.

[Damaris]

I remember one time I was about Tweety Bird.

[E]

That was a classic. Yeah.

[Damaris]

You remember when. When the. The whack ice cream truck started coming around the neighborhood. One time, I ran downstairs and it was the whack truck. I was like, man, get your ass off the bus.

[Mal]

What's the whack truck? This.

[Damaris]

I don't even know the name of it. It was some nigga that, like, he painted the figures himself. I was like, yo, fam, fam, fam. This ain't even your route, Dahmer.

[E]

Who the hell was it?

[Damaris]

This ain't your route, fam. You don't come through this block no more.

[Mal]

But the Mr. Softy is like a major city thing. I never knew about a Mr. Softy icy ice cream truck until I moved To New York, because we only had this with, like, the. The regular shit we didn't have. Like, Mr. Softy isn't universal.

[Damaris]

No, no, no.

[Rory]

Really?

[Mal]

No.

[Damaris]

Mr. Softy is definitely a New York.

[Mal]

That's a New York thing.

[E]

Really?

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah. New York City thing.

[E]

I love Mr. Softy. That's good. I got to get.

[Rory]

Thought that was, like, a brand name, like Pepsi. That's a brand name. Mr. Softie is not a brand name.

[Mal]

It is, but.

[Damaris]

It is. But they don't. They don't have those, like, outside of New York City, at least. I don't. I don't believe that. I've never seen a Mrs. Softy truck in California. Never seen it.

[E]

They have an app.

[Damaris]

Everybody has an app.

[E]

A Mr. Softy app.

[Mal]

Said it's not reliable.

[Damaris]

They'd be on the.

[Rory]

You use them like an Uber to try to have them pull up.

[Damaris]

He's like, why y'all lying? You said y'all was on my block. You're not here yet.

[E]

There's always.

[Rory]

That's a cool app, though. I could think, like, if you could find the Mr. Softy truck in your neighborhood and just walk.

[Damaris]

I mean, certain neighborhoods, you. They don't even have. You don't even need an app. They. In the summertime, you know that they're gonna be outside of one of the schools in your neighborhood when it's time for the kids to get out, or next to one of the parks. Like, you know where Mr. Softy is at.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

But the app is a good idea, though. Great idea.

[Rory]

But even the ones like, you know, even though you get the firecrackers at the grocery store, I'll still grab one.

[Damaris]

Yeah, the ones as long as they got like, the. What's the.

[Rory]

SpongeBob always comes out like he has down syndrome. He never looks like the pictures every time.

[Mal]

Like, he melted and then.

[Rory]

Yeah. His eye is always where his hand should be. Like, he's a Picasso painting.

[Mal]

Every time with the chocolate chip.

[E]

That's a classic.

[Damaris]

The baseball glove and the ball was bubble.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah.

[Damaris]

Classic.

[E]

Spongebob always looks like this.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Damaris]

Like, come on, fam.

[Rory]

Every fucking time.

[Damaris]

Who is that?

[Rory]

An olive?

[Damaris]

Yeah. Who is it? That looked like it fell on the sidewalk. He picked it up.

[Rory]

But the spongebob, that looked like debris.

[Damaris]

That's debris on the ice cream. Like, what is that?

[E]

Look at this one.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah. Cut it out.

[Mal]

You could buy them in a grocery store, but the eyes aren't gum.

[Rory]

I've never seen them at the grocery store.

[Mal]

My home girl bought some but the eyes. Yeah, the eyes are. Are not gum.

[Rory]

Is the firecracker the best one?

[Mal]

No, no.

[E]

Ice cream sandwich.

[Mal]

Ice cream sandwich with the. With the chocolate chips around.

[Rory]

I'm talking about popsicles.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah, obviously.

[Mal]

If that's what you like. I like yo no homo.

[Rory]

When my high school started selling the jumbo one.

[Damaris]

Yo, there's no way to get out of no homo. That's very homo.

[Rory]

Peach. We're around the same age. Julian too.

[E]

Remember Push.

[Rory]

Like you don't remember when they made the jumbo one.

[Damaris]

You could. You got it. You couldn't wait for the jumbo one, right?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[E]

You'd put two on it.

[Rory]

I was. I was going through puberty.

[Damaris]

Yeah, Griffy. Crazy.

[Rory]

It's like a dollar 25.

[Damaris]

It was the best ice cream sandwich is the WrestleMania bars.

[Mal]

I don't.

[Rory]

Remind me.

[Damaris]

I don't remember the. Y'all remember the WWF ice cream bars? No, Julian, you don't remember the wwf. I know he don't. You don't remember the WWF ice cream bars?

[E]

My mom never built. Made in, like, the 30s. No, I don't know these. What is that?

[Damaris]

How do you not remember the ice. The WWF ice Cream bars?

[Rory]

No, I don't remember these.

[E]

No.

[Damaris]

Oh, man, y'all too young.

[E]

Ice Cream Mania.

[Damaris]

Was that the name of it? I don't know if that was the name.

[E]

Superstar.

[Damaris]

Superstars. Yeah.

[Rory]

Taste the Superstars is the craziest marketing.

[Damaris]

Bars of the Superstars. Now, hold on. That's some new. That wasn't on the box when I used to buy that. No way. There's no way.

[Rory]

You could never send anyone an eggplant. The Superstars.

[Damaris]

Who was your favorite? Taste the bars of the Superstars was not the slogan when I bought that idea.

[Rory]

I bet you love the under.

[Damaris]

Get the out of.

[Mal]

Speaking of which, did you guys see Sexy Red on wrestling on WWE nxt?

[E]

Oh, yeah. That was good.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that was dope.

[Rory]

First time I ever thought of taking back the Clock is On.

[Mal]

Oh, that's why I brought.

[Rory]

When I saw that, I was like, all right, never mind. I'm wrong.

[E]

She's, like, hosting something, too.

[Mal]

So I saw. I saw a tweet that said that old white men love Sexy Red because she fits into every stereotype that they've ever thought about black people.

[Damaris]

Facts always turning into something. She just was at a wrestling event and Shawn Michaels, like, you know, like, they just did a video together. Like, why I gotta be. Shawn Michaels is infatuated with the stereotypical black.

[Rory]

No, she was in the ring White men. Like, she was in the.

[Mal]

Sexy Red was in the ring.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that's it. She was at the. She was at the wrestling event.

[Rory]

But is that a thing that old white men are into her, or just because the WWE and her label were like, this would be a good match.

[Mal]

That it was also the country music star who's things she went on there. I did. I do not agree with this. I just bought it up for discussion. If y'all think that not even. I won't even say just white men. Men, period.

[Rory]

For Patreon. I'm glad you brought this up and we can wrap up. I watched Iron Claw. Oh, over the weekend.

[E]

I saw it.

[Rory]

Jesus Christ.

[E]

Just the most depressing movie of all time.

[Rory]

And to find out. We'll talk on Patreon. To find out. They made it less depressing than it needed to be. When movies try to make things more depressing than they should be.

[E]

Yeah. To. To Damaris's point about Sexy Red, I agree. I think when people see stereotypes or beliefs, things about certain people and they're reaffirmed, it just. It just makes them feel better about themselves. It's like, oh, I always write about these people, therefore, you know, my assumptions are. Are correct, because these people aren't coming across Sexy Reds in their everyday life.

[Rory]

Sure. They haven't seen her get in the.

[E]

Ring in Michigan, and they're like, yep, there.

[Damaris]

There's.

[Mal]

There's one of them Jezebel.

[Damaris]

That's dope, though. Shout out to Sexy Red, man.

[E]

Yeah, she's doing great.

[Mal]

Shout out. She is.

[Damaris]

All right, well, some new music dropping tonight. Belly's 96 miles from Bethlehem. Very important project from my guy Belly, especially with the times and everything surrounding the Gaza conflict and, uh, you know, Belly being Palestinian, uh, this project is very near and dear to his heart. I'm happy that he's finally releasing it. Yeah, some great music on there for my guy. One of my favorite rappers, one of my favorite artists. 96 miles from Bethlehem available now. The live link is in his bio. So download that. Support Belly. Support a great project for a great cause. And I believe he's donating the proceeds to Gaza, to the Gaza people in Palestine and things like that. So shout out to Belly. Shout out to a great album for a great cause, bringing awareness to a situation that we all need to be paying attention to and supporting the people. Any more music dropping tonight?

[Rory]

It's a lot of singles from what I saw.

[Damaris]

Well, we spoke about Eminem.

[Rory]

Lucky Day has one coming out.

[Damaris]

Lucky Day has a single out tonight or now, if you're listening to this.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's just a lot of singles. I don't think there's an actual project that's really coming out.

[Damaris]

All right, well, shout out to Belly. 96 miles from Bethlehem. Available now. Support that. Shout out to Vince Staples for another dope project. Another dope project. In his. His. His discography, Vince quietly has some. Some really, really dope albums, man. I don't know.

[E]

I really like this one.

[Damaris]

Yeah, this one was dope.

[Rory]

The last three, Ramona.

[Damaris]

Ramona Park, Broke My Heart is a classic album to me. Is that glazing maybe? Whatever. But, yeah, man, Vince doesn't miss. Yeah, Vince. Shout out to Vince Staples. Really, really dope album.

[Rory]

What a year for Vince.

[Damaris]

Yeah, great, great album, great show. Hopefully Netflix renews that and get a second season. But yeah, support dope music. Support dope artists. Newroarimal.com now for everything, Rory and Mall. And we'll talk to y'all soon. Heading to Patreon to finish this conversation, so meet us there. I'm that. He's just Ginger. Peace.