Episode 280 | America's Sweethearts

Summary

Podcast Summary: New Rory & MAL – Episode 280 | "America's Sweethearts"

Release Date: June 25, 2024

In Episode 280 of "New Rory & MAL," titled "America's Sweethearts," hosts Rory and Mal, alongside guests Damaris and Julian, delve into a myriad of topics ranging from personal anecdotes and pop culture commentary to in-depth discussions on reality TV, the music industry, and personal hobbies. The conversation is lively, humorous, and candid, offering listeners an engaging exploration of various subjects.

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1. Honey Packs and Office Antics [00:47 - 02:54]

The episode kicks off with a humorous story about an office mishap involving honey packs. Rory recounts walking into the office to find Peach using two honey packs, mistaking them for sunscreen. This accidental overuse leaves Peach "bricked up" for several days, leading to a series of comedic exchanges about the unexpected effects of these packs.

• Rory (00:18): "Rocky is my favorite movie."
• Rory (01:16): "Peach had two of them, so he's gonna be bricked up for four days."
• Mal (02:10): "Do you think miso is going to stop me from..."

This segment sets a lighthearted tone, illustrating the hosts' knack for turning everyday situations into entertaining narratives.

2. Reflections on "Jersey Shore" [06:07 - 12:35]

Transitioning to reality TV, the hosts share their experiences and opinions on the iconic show "Jersey Shore." Rory discusses his recent trip to Jersey Shore, where he encountered former cast member JWoww's ex-husband, sparking conversations about the show's enduring legacy and the personal growth of its participants.

• Mal (09:20): "My favorite character in Jersey Shore."
• Rory (10:24): "That was one of the greatest reality TV shows ever."

The discussion highlights how reality TV has evolved and the lasting impact of shows like "Jersey Shore" on both participants and viewers.

3. Surviving the New York Summer Heat [07:00 - 08:52]

The conversation shifts to enduring the sweltering New York summer. The hosts lament the oppressive heat and humidity, sharing relatable frustrations about sweaty commutes, crowded streets, and the general discomfort of hot weather.

• Rory (07:26): "People don't understand this New York heat in the summertime."
• Mal (08:06): "We need like two days of rain right now."

They discuss coping mechanisms, such as staying indoors and finding shade, emphasizing the universal struggle of beating the mid-summer heat.

4. Male Cheerleaders and the Dallas Cowboys [38:19 - 43:24]

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to dissecting the role and treatment of cheerleaders, particularly focusing on the Dallas Cowboys. The hosts critique the stringent weight and appearance standards imposed on cheerleaders, drawing parallels to other professions like Broadway performers and fighters.

• Rory (35:12): "If you have a number one record, you're not gonna shoot a video."
• Mal (38:19): "Yeah."

They argue that these standards are not only misogynistic but also contribute to unhealthy behaviors among performers striving to meet unrealistic expectations.

5. Reality TV Shows and Modern Entertainment [19:21 - 23:54]

The hosts delve into contemporary reality TV shows, expressing their opinions on programs like "Zeus Baddies" and comparing them to classic reality formats. They highlight the sheer physicality and drama of these shows, debating their value and entertainment worthiness.

• Mal (20:29): "They are just... the greatest on TV right now."
• Damaris (23:02): "I like J. Wild, because she kind of always seemed like she wasn't with the messy bullshit."

This segment underscores the ongoing evolution of reality TV and its place in modern entertainment.

6. Navigating the Music Industry and Media Conflicts [75:00 - 84:37]

A deep dive into the complexities of the music industry and media emerges as the hosts discuss conflicts of interest, particularly concerning roles in A&R (Artists and Repertoire) and side ventures like podcasting or producing. They explore the ethical dilemmas faced by industry professionals who juggle multiple responsibilities.

• Rory (81:07): "I would just keep doing what you're doing until the side gig becomes the full time gig."
• Damaris (83:28): "They get so many bags that you would..."

The conversation reveals the intricate balance required to maintain professionalism while pursuing personal projects within the industry's competitive landscape.

7. Personal Hobbies and Interests [96:00 - 118:55]

The episode transitions to lighter topics as the hosts and guests share their personal hobbies and interests. Discussions range from plant propagation and running marathons to scuba diving and streaming. This segment highlights the importance of personal passions and the challenges of balancing them with professional commitments.

• Damaris (96:02): "I have 14 plants that I take care of at home."
• Julian (103:25): "I'm training for a 5k in August."

Their candid conversations about hobbies add a personal touch, allowing listeners to connect with the hosts on a more intimate level.

8. Perspectives on Jordan Peele’s Films [117:00 - 125:14]

A contentious debate ensues as the hosts express their divergent views on director Jordan Peele's movies, particularly "Get Out" and "Nope." While some praise the cultural impact and originality of "Get Out," others critique the filmmaking quality and storytelling approach.

• Rory (122:05): "I think Jordan Peele stinks as a director."
• Damaris (124:14): "They're easy to watch."

This heated discussion showcases the hosts' willingness to engage in critical analysis of popular media, reflecting broader audience sentiments.

9. Chief Keef’s Historic Performance [62:00 - 67:00]

Highlighting a significant moment in hip-hop, the hosts celebrate Chief Keef’s return to performing in Chicago after a decade-long absence. They discuss the cultural and personal significance of his performance, emphasizing its impact on the local music scene and his legacy.

• Mal (63:43): "Chief Keef back in Chicago is definitely one of the biggest moments in hip hop history."
• Rory (65:38): "Some redemption in all the negative that did come out."

The segment underscores the power of live performances in shaping an artist’s influence and reconnecting with their roots.

10. Addressing Listener Voicemails and Community Engagement [94:45 - 125:40]

The latter part of the episode features listener voicemails, where fans share personal dilemmas and questions. Topics include finding communities to share passions, balancing professional and personal life in the music industry, and coping with grief and fear of death. The hosts provide empathetic and practical advice, fostering a sense of community and support among listeners.

• Listener David (93:40 - 94:05): Struggles with sharing his passion for hip-hop due to a lack of audience.
• Hosts’ Responses (94:05 - 125:40): Encouraging listeners to seek out communities via Discord, Patreon, and live events, while sharing their own experiences and tips for balancing multiple roles in the industry.

11. Promoting Upcoming Live Shows and Merchandise [118:00 - 120:26]

In the closing segments, Rory and Mal promote their upcoming live shows in Philadelphia and other cities. They provide information on ticket availability, merchandise, and exclusive content accessible through their Patreon community.

• Rory (118:37): "Philly, we will see you July 25th."
• Mal (118:44): "Tickets available now at newroarinmal.com."

This promotional segment serves as a call-to-action for listeners to engage further with the podcast’s community and support their endeavors.

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Notable Quotes:

• Rory (01:16): "Peach had two of them, so he's gonna be bricked up for four days."
• Mal (20:29): "They are just... the greatest on TV right now."
• Rory (35:12): "If you have a number one record, you're not gonna shoot a video."
• Mal (38:19): "Yeah."
• Rory (122:05): "I think Jordan Peele stinks as a director."
• Mal (63:43): "Chief Keef back in Chicago is definitely one of the biggest moments in hip hop history."
• Damaris (94:49): "Damaris just thought it was very interesting. Thanks for taking this voicemail."

Conclusion:

Episode 280 of "New Rory & MAL" offers a rich tapestry of conversations that blend humor, critical analysis, and personal reflections. From dissecting reality TV and critiquing industry standards to sharing personal hobbies and engaging with listener stories, the hosts provide a multifaceted listening experience. Notably, the episode balances lighthearted banter with insightful discussions, making it both entertaining and thought-provoking for a diverse audience.

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For more engaging discussions, exclusive content, and live show updates, visit newroarimal.com and join their Patreon community.

Transcript

[Rory]

Philadelphia. We will be live in your city July 25th at City Winery. Ironically. I just want to let you guys know, Rocky is my favorite movie. I love that one with Mark Wahlberg where he's, like, a bartender, and then he makes the Philadelphia Eagles. Everything to do with Philly is my favorite in the entire world.

[Mal]

That was a Rocky movie.

[Rory]

Well, now it's Rocky. And then the Mark Wahlberg one where he plays for the Eagles. Those are my two favorite movies ever.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So you know, Philadelphia, we love you. Tickets available now. New Warrior mall dot com. Get them, New Warrior now. All right, we got a situation. I'm the sweetest you'll ever meet.

[Damaris]

After I have sex with a guy.

[Julian]

I will rip their heads off.

[Rory]

Yo. Walking in on a Monday morning to see Peach at his desk with two honey packs just chilling to the left of him was not how I thought we were gonna start this week out.

[Mal]

And didn't know what they were.

[Rory]

He claimed he thought it was sunscreen.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So, you know, he rubbed. Rubbed it into his pores, thought it was lotion, and now he's bricked up.

[Mal]

He couldn't understand why he was hitting the keys so hard.

[Rory]

The back of the honey pack says last for 48 hours. Peach had two of them, so he's gonna be bricked up for four days.

[Mal]

That's. Wow.

[Rory]

When was the last time you guys took a honey pack? What was your last worst headache?

[Mal]

It's been a while, bro. Like, that's why I can't do like that. Like, the gas station, and I can't. I was never into that.

[Rory]

I was late to the party. I used to, like, laugh at people that did that. And then I tried a honey pack, and I was like, I see what. What the hype is about. I was in there performing like an amateur adult film star.

[Mal]

So now you understand why Barry Bonds.

[Rory]

I. I understood back then.

[Mal]

This is the new balcony.

[Rory]

He doesn't deserve an asterisk, in my opinion. It's just the record.

[Mal]

No, he's a hall of famer. Take the asterisk.

[Rory]

Shorty didn't put an asterisk next to my name after that.

[Mal]

She didn't. You don't.

[Rory]

I don't think she knew I was.

[Mal]

Juicing, though, in her phone.

[Rory]

I think she just thought this was the experience.

[Mal]

She. Yeah, but, I mean, if she finds out in her phone, she's going to put an emoji next to her name. Now that's like the asterisk. You put emoji, like. Yeah, he was on that honey pack. Like the little honey emoji. Don't they got, like, a honey jar moment?

[Julian]

They have a honey jar?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I always thought you could break a pelvis or some. Some Doucet in a honey pack.

[Damaris]

Ew.

[Julian]

Yeah, That's a nasty cocktail.

[Damaris]

I thought. I thought it was a small paint samples. When I saw them on the des, it looked like, like, little mini tubes of paint.

[Julian]

Well, yeah, because it's like, off. It's like brand X. It's not like, official honey pack.

[Rory]

I really thought they were peaches. And then he said, yo, by the way, those really aren't mine. He was just going along with the jokes. And then we find out that these honey packs were found in my merch boxes.

[Mal]

Like, essentially two Brits who was.

[Rory]

Who was packing up my album merch and just dropped two honey packs next to the socks and slides by accident.

[Julian]

They heard you was having trouble helping you out.

[Rory]

That's. That's a good merch friend right there.

[Mal]

Yeah. Merchant.

[Rory]

I could just buy one of these for $5.

[Mal]

Yeah, like, I didn't need it. Right across the street. You can get them anywhere. It's not that hard. You don't have to send it in the shipment from la.

[Rory]

Yo, one of the worst headaches I've ever had is off this.

[Julian]

Ooh, Black Bull Extreme.

[Damaris]

Yeah, this looks like paint. I thought this was. Someone came in here and was doing some detailing over the weekend.

[Mal]

You thought that was something to put in your beard?

[Damaris]

The beige is Beijing.

[Rory]

On Googling his peppermint tea, he thought.

[Mal]

That was Beijing to go when you out on lunch. And a little bit of grace when you're out at lunch. And a little bit of grays get in the way. Jing to go.

[Rory]

Once I gave in and tried one of these, it really was because I wanted an even playing field. Once I found out all my competition was juicing, I was like, I gotta join.

[Damaris]

How'd you find that out?

[Rory]

Girls were just telling me that, yeah, it's a regular thing for guys to take honey packs. I was like, I kind of thought that was like a joke on Twitter. Y'all really be taking gas station honey packs before you go. Fuck, yeah. And then I took one last night. I get it.

[Mal]

All these little young dudes, they perked up, pilled up. They can't get hard. Erectile dysfunction. That's 23 years old.

[Rory]

That's crazy.

[Mal]

Yeah. Now they need this. All they do is sip cognac and hot perks all day. No circulation, blood ain't flowing.

[Rory]

Haven't done a jumping Jack in six months.

[Mal]

Six years from a heart attack, heart disease, diabetes, you know, Take a honey pack.

[Rory]

Oh, zempic in the pack.

[Mal]

Yeah. Take a miso thalioma.

[Julian]

You was naming mad. I just.

[Mal]

What is misothelioma? What is that?

[Rory]

That sounds Spanish. You get that indictment?

[Mal]

Probably.

[Rory]

You could.

[Mal]

You could probably get that to go on.

[Rory]

Dykeman sounds like a Dominican gang.

[Mal]

Oh, it's a cancer.

[Damaris]

Isn't that from, like, the.

[Mal]

That forms in the thin tissue of the lines of many of your internal organs? Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. They some niggas out there with Ms. A Thioma for sure. Yeah.

[Rory]

But you just take a little honey pack, you'll be all right.

[Mal]

Yeah, you'll get through.

[Rory]

You'll get through that meso.

[Mal]

Through the miso.

[Julian]

Miso.

[Rory]

Think miso is going to stop me from.

[Mal]

No, no.

[Rory]

Got the bow.

[Damaris]

Rory.

[Julian]

Am I darker than Mall now?

[Mal]

Yo, Damaris?

[Rory]

That's a wild question. Why'd you ask me that?

[Mal]

So Damaris. No, she asked Peach that. Let me state the whole shit for you earlier. So, Damaris. I walk in Damaris, like, yo mom blacker than you. I thought maybe she probably went to, like, you know, one of those retreats and found out, like, her roots. So I'm like, okay, dope. She said, nah, I got a tan. I'm like, oh, okay. You sat out in the sun this weekend. It was nice out. Okay, I get it.

[Rory]

Well, I saw her IG reel that she posted this morning, and I thought it was like one of those travel girls. Like, not a girl. I even follow just the for you page shit. And then I look at the A.T. and it's Demaris. Well, you was at some private rooftop pool.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Who was that? Like, ass naked?

[Julian]

I was not ass naked.

[Rory]

I kind of looked like it at first.

[Damaris]

You're low key ass naked.

[Rory]

And see how quick that cut was. I thought you were ass naked.

[Julian]

No, and also, I'm in Brooklyn. That's Brooklyn.

[Damaris]

Look at you not standing.

[Rory]

That's Dubai.

[Julian]

Nah, that's Dubai downtown. My rooftop is downtown Brooklyn. It has a view of the city. So that's why.

[Damaris]

Oh, this is your building?

[Julian]

No, I live in. Anyway, long story short, I'm darker than mom now. The darkest person on this podcast, and I'd like to be acknowledged as such.

[Mal]

But you're not, though. Pj, our local white resident measurer of melanin, he confirmed that you, in fact, are not, if anything, the same color now, but definitely not darker. But you look good, though. Like you laid out, got some good sun.

[Rory]

Well, I mean, I went to the shore. Do I look a little.

[Mal]

Yeah, you look a little dark.

[Rory]

A little chartreuse, a little more freckles on my arm. Yeah, I was. I was outside for a little bit. I went to Jersey Shore.

[Mal]

When you say outside for a little bit, you mean, like, 17 minutes?

[Rory]

No, like, I was under, like, a canopy.

[Mal]

Oh, okay.

[Rory]

Like, my feet were kind of outside.

[Mal]

You know, I don't buy, you know, the bucket hats that come with a little umbrella on it.

[Rory]

Yeah, of course.

[Mal]

I'm gonna get you one of those.

[Rory]

I need one of those.

[Mal]

Like, help you out so you can.

[Rory]

To just walk the streets.

[Mal]

Yeah, you can stay outside a little longer. Get you a little bucket hat with the umbrella on top of it.

[Rory]

Yeah. Went down to Jersey Shore for the day just to kick it on the beach, in the shade. Ran into JWoww's ex husband. So, you know, I got the full experience of Jersey Shore. Yeah.

[Mal]

Yeah. You gotta see somebody from the Jersey shore.

[Rory]

The moment you cross that bridge, you just run into all of the VH1 superstars, the alumni. Yeah. He was sitting right next to us at the table. I didn't want to make a big deal about it. Thought about asking him for a picture, because, you know, that's like, bucket list.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

There's only a few people I'd ask for a picture.

[Damaris]

You guys were comparing tattoos, and it would be.

[Rory]

It'd be Raj.

[Mal]

Yeah. Shout out to Raj. How was the. How was the shore packed?

[Rory]

No, it actually was. Surprisingly not as crazy as I thought it was going to be. But it was fun. Just a fun, little quick day trip. I'm glad I got to hang in the pool for a while. So it was fun.

[Mal]

I'm glad. That little heat wave we had is tapered off, bro. Oh, my God. People don't understand this New York heat in the summertime, the humidity, it's not. You can't really enjoy yourself outside.

[Damaris]

No.

[Mal]

Like, because your back is soaking wet.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

You know, I mean, like, you just hot. You know, everybody's kind of, like, got that little summer smell.

[Rory]

It's just.

[Mal]

Everybody. Arms stink, like, you know, I mean.

[Damaris]

It'S just the arms. That thing heats up. It cooks the trash that's sitting in the streets.

[Mal]

Oh, man.

[Damaris]

Smells like you walked into trash on the sidewalks.

[Mal]

Is like, somebody. It's a body in here. Somebody should check this.

[Rory]

Just walk around with a wet lower back.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Just nasty. Sit down on the train, and then all the sweat hits your shirt, and.

[Julian]

Then everybody has a dog, and the hot dog Urine. Everybody has a fudgeing dog. And I'm over it. I'm tired of this. Yeah, Covid is.

[Mal]

It needs to rain. We need, like, two days of rain right now. The sidewalks are dirty and stink. The streets stink.

[Rory]

Oh, you. You are officially old. You're one of those people that looks outside and goes, yeah, we needed this.

[Mal]

We need this rain, man. I love when it rains.

[Rory]

That guy at the screen door.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, yeah. 100, definitely. I lean into all of that now, Rory, you have no idea. I can't. I'm about to start planting. Oh, yeah, I'm there. I'm near Damaris. I'm planting. I'm getting soils. I'm doing all of that now. I could.

[Rory]

I could see you being one of those, because you are so far right now, you're. You're like one. One Fox News episode away from growing your own food. For sure.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Because you think the apocalypse is coming if Biden comes back in. So I get it. You'll have your own garden.

[Mal]

No, if Biden comes back, I'm leaving for show. We can't do four more years.

[Rory]

Well, we got a lease here.

[Mal]

Yeah, no, I'm going.

[Rory]

But we have a lease here.

[Mal]

Still going. Going. I'm out of here. I can't do it. No fucking way. Not four more.

[Rory]

Did you do anything over the weekend?

[Mal]

No, I didn't do much. I was. I mean, I did local, went uptown, saw my cousins, and in Harlem, and that was it. I didn't. I didn't do too much. I was in the hood, chilling.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mal]

Yeah. Didn't do too much.

[Rory]

Didn't check in with anyone.

[Mal]

Showed up in Harlem.

[Rory]

Yeah, no.

[Mal]

Checking on my pops. Like, checked in with my. My dad.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mal]

You know, like, that.

[Rory]

He gave you a pass?

[Mal]

He did, in fact, give me a pass. He was like, I'm good up here in these streets. You know what I'm saying? He was like, it's a little shaky right now, but everything is good.

[Rory]

Who is your favorite character in Jersey Shore?

[Mal]

My favorite character in Jersey Shore.

[Damaris]

Almost like a Sam.

[Julian]

I like.

[Mal]

I like. No, I like. I like. What's the. What's the.

[Rory]

The Italian.

[Mal]

Pauly D. Okay.

[Damaris]

Vinny's the man.

[Mal]

I like Pauly D. And I like. I like JWoww.

[Rory]

Which one?

[Mal]

I like Snooki, too, though. I like Snooki. I like Snooki.

[Rory]

So. So if you was with me at the Shore, you would have stepped to Roger. Cause JW's year one.

[Mal]

No, no, no. Not like that. I ain't Stepping in. Nobody stepped in for disrespect. I like. I like J. Wild, because J. Wild, she kind of always seemed like she wasn't with the messy. Bullshit. She always seemed like the mediator. Like she was always the one after the Goes down.

[Rory]

With this cast and crew. Yes. Anyone could look like they're not with the messy just by saying, hey, everyone calm down once.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah, that's all you had to do. But I like Snooki, too. Snooki was cool. But I like. I like Pauly D. And. And Vinnie.

[Rory]

That was one of the greatest reality TV shows ever. I know. Like, I know it embarrassed Italians and they hated it. And it's not Jersey culture, all that. That show was hilarious. Yeah, no, it was one of the great, amazing cinema.

[Mal]

One of the greatest shows ever. And I love. I love, like, where everybody is at now.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Look how far the situation.

[Rory]

Listen and say what you want about the situation. He was 10 toes, did his time like a man. No one went down with him. Now he's raising his kids. Yeah, that's a man right there.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's a man. Look at him. See? Beautiful.

[Damaris]

He used to call women grenades every night. Now look at him.

[Mal]

Look at him. Arms full of kids and two daughters. That's what life is, man.

[Rory]

They would just get drunk, not get. And then just knock anyone out around them.

[Mal]

What was it?

[Rory]

Anytime? The producers were like, nah, you can't bring girls back. It's like, all right, I'm gonna knock someone out then.

[Mal]

Yeah. What was they think Gym, laundry and Tan gtl. Yeah, Jim Tan, the laundry.

[Damaris]

That was Pauly D. Pauly D Had some classics.

[Rory]

He's probably like, a multi, multi, multi millionaire, right? Because he had, like, a real profession outside of the show.

[Mal]

Didn't he have a Vegas residency?

[Damaris]

Yeah, DJs a lot.

[Rory]

Yeah, that was set up for him to be a star. No, that they can DJ after this show.

[Mal]

They definitely did what they were supposed to do with that platform. As far as, like, everything after that.

[Damaris]

He looks exactly the same. He's 43.

[Rory]

Looks good, man.

[Damaris]

He looks exactly the same.

[Rory]

Hair gel does wonders.

[Mal]

Gym, tan, laundry.

[Rory]

The fellas would go to the tanning bed when they lived at the beach. That was always funny to me.

[Mal]

They didn't even have to go, You're.

[Rory]

Italian and you're at the beach. They just go outside.

[Mal]

They didn't even have to go to the beach. They had a beautiful deck. Like, they could have just chilled at the crib, you know? I mean, like.

[Julian]

But that doesn't make you orange. You gotta go get the orange tan.

[Rory]

But that's what they're trying to get. Don't like Italians have that nice, like, olive tan. Why don't you want it? They want the obnoxious.

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah.

[Damaris]

Because they're Italian. With the American cut. They're not really Italian.

[Julian]

Got you with the American cut.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Would. Would you ever date a girl that was on one of those shows?

[Damaris]

Hell, like, they were young.

[Rory]

They were in their 20s.

[Mal]

Jersey Shore.

[Rory]

Yeah. Or a show like it.

[Julian]

They were, like, 22, 21. They were young.

[Rory]

I think Vinnie was, like, 17. He was like a minor on that show.

[Mal]

No, he wasn't.

[Rory]

He couldn't go to, like, the club for the first six seasons.

[Julian]

Shout out to Vinnie. Vinnie also. Yeah, shout out to Vinnie. Everybody knows why, but shout out to Vinny.

[Rory]

Oh, because he has a big dick.

[Mal]

First of all. No, no, you're asking the wrong. How do you know that?

[Rory]

Because I watched the show, and that was a big thing, and that's clearly what I thought she was alluding to. If, you know. You know, what else about Vinnie?

[Julian]

If you know, you know, he exclusively dates black women.

[Mal]

That's.

[Rory]

Oh, I didn't know that. He didn't. He. Snooki.

[Julian]

That's close enough. But in real life, he's only been caught with black women.

[Rory]

But he can't bring caught. He can't bring him back to Staten Island.

[Mal]

You're caught. You like. You like black women, Vinnie, you're caught. We caught you with a black woman, Vinnie.

[Rory]

Yeah. I did not know that was a thing with Vinnie. I was in an elevator with Vinnie at the Mondrian, like, three or four LA trips ago.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Just the two of us.

[Damaris]

You look down.

[Rory]

I mean, I may have peaked at the inseam to see if the rumors were true.

[Damaris]

All right. I'm not a math person, but he's 36 now. This show aired in 2009. So. How old was he?

[Mal]

17 years ago.

[Rory]

I can't read.

[Mal]

19.

[Damaris]

All right, so, yeah, he was underage.

[Mal]

No, that was 15 years ago, right?

[Damaris]

15?

[Mal]

Yeah, he's 36.

[Damaris]

36.

[Mal]

So he was 21.

[Damaris]

Oh, he was 20. Okay.

[Rory]

I never really kept up with it. Once they went to, like, Italy and did the reunions and all that, but first two seasons, yeah, I was watching everything.

[Mal]

No, this was one of those shows that is by far a cult classic. One of the biggest reality shows ever. What they would, you know, they set up a bunch of other shows offspins, different Jersey Shore reunions and things like that. This is A. The Jersey Shore brand is huge.

[Rory]

There was nothing funny about Snooki getting her, like, clocked cleaned. But imagine someone airing that on TV now.

[Mal]

Oh, that was crazy. She got.

[Damaris]

She got rocked.

[Rory]

Then I remember, like, the guy that did his dad was complaining to some newspaper that, like, his son can't get a job now, and they ruined his life, and it's not fair. You knocked a woman clean out at the bar on television.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I don't think the system is the problem here. Yeah, I think it might be your raging alcoholic son trigger warning violence against women.

[Julian]

If you're watching this on YouTube, and.

[Rory]

I'm sure they know what we're talking about.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I feel like this is one of the first viral things edited out of, like.

[Rory]

Oh, they did edit out that.

[Damaris]

Well, when it aired, they showed it, like, 15 times. They played that back.

[Mal]

They slowed it.

[Rory]

Yeah, that was like. That was like, the promo on commercial.

[Damaris]

It was. They brought in the guy from Sports Science.

[Rory]

Max Kellerman. Did a breakdown of it.

[Mal]

They brought in the guy from sports side.

[Damaris]

But, yeah, now it's. Now it's very different. Different world.

[Julian]

I started as.

[Rory]

It should be a different world.

[Julian]

I started the bear yesterday.

[Rory]

What is the cocaine bear?

[Julian]

No, the. You guys never seen the bear? None of you?

[Damaris]

No, no, it's the Jeremy Allen White. That. That actor. That cooking show in Chicago.

[Rory]

Oh, I see. He's a meme, like, all the time.

[Julian]

Yeah, he's constantly a meme.

[Rory]

Like, he's always exhausted, so I feel like he's a part of the Rat Boy.

[Damaris]

Summer, look, we talked about that on Patreon.

[Rory]

Gotcha.

[Julian]

It's so good. Like, I was trying to figure out what to watch next. I was gonna do the Sopranos, but I remember Mall said that I should wait for him. So I'm waiting for Mall.

[Rory]

So you're gonna be waiting for quite some time to watch the Sopranos.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

So we started this week.

[Julian]

We're gonna start it this week.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Okay.

[Rory]

Who's going to whose house?

[Julian]

Episodes 1 through 4.

[Mal]

Episodes 1 through 4.

[Julian]

1 through 4. We doing this week, we're gonna watch all four episodes. Four episodes of the Sopranos? Yeah.

[Mal]

You know there's more than four episodes.

[Julian]

I know. I'm saying this week we're gonna watch four episodes.

[Mal]

Let's do it.

[Damaris]

How you gonna watch that Together? You're going over, like. Are you gonna be like, FaceTime? Okay, 1, 2, 3, hit play.

[Julian]

We're gonna watch it separately, and I'll text him and say, oh, you saw that? That's crazy.

[Rory]

But Mall's already seen it, so we can pretend like, yeah, this is gonna.

[Mal]

Be me watching it over. I've seen this.

[Julian]

Oh, I've never seen it.

[Mal]

Yeah, but I don't mind. Like, the Sopranos are such a great show. I don't mind watching it from the beginning. Like. Like I just did with Pinky Blinders. I just watched that again for the. You know, like, probably the third time.

[Rory]

I made Kia watch the entire series and I watched every episode with her willingly. It was amazing.

[Julian]

That's what I do with Grey's Anatomy.

[Mal]

So I'm trying to find some new shows though. Like, I'm trying to find.

[Julian]

Watch the bear.

[Mal]

I know you told me to start House of Dragon. I didn't. Well, I'm gonna start that.

[Rory]

I wasn't really in like a magical mood this weekend, but it did cross my mind that I did not magic tell Damaris that I would watch that.

[Mal]

Yeah, I gotta start House of Dragon.

[Rory]

I thought it was like the prelude.

[Julian]

There's no magic in it.

[Damaris]

It's not like so it's before magic.

[Rory]

And then the magic came for Game of Thrones.

[Julian]

There was no magic in Game of Thrones. It's not Harry Potter. Oh, it's just there's.

[Rory]

But there's dragons.

[Julian]

Yeah, that's the only dredges. Dragons are not magical. Okay, they're not.

[Rory]

They're also not real.

[Julian]

That's fine.

[Mal]

You don't believe in dragons.

[Rory]

I mean, Cisco, yeah, he is the.

[Mal]

Dragon, but other than that. No.

[Rory]

I mean, maybe they existed at one point. I don't need someone on Tick Tock telling me the real history of them again. Because you already know where I stand with dinosaurs.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Aren't they kind of similar?

[Julian]

Kinda, yeah. Fire breathing dinosaurs.

[Rory]

Is there a conspiracy that I missed? The dragons were real and this wasn't something that some author made up. Because I'm on the side that magic was real at one point and still is.

[Julian]

Magic is real. I don't think dragons are real.

[Mal]

What do you mean? Magic is real.

[Julian]

Magic is real. I believe in like.

[Rory]

I think there was someone on the grassy. No, but I also believe in the magic bullet. Magic is real, man.

[Damaris]

They shot his ass in the face.

[Mal]

Well, manipulation is spun around. That's all magic is, you know?

[Julian]

So you don't believe in magic at all? Like any type of magic? Autumn, Spanish girls. You done dated autumn. Corner stores you don't went into with them Santeria candles. Growing up in the Bronx. You telling me you don't believe in magic?

[Damaris]

Yeah, but just because Those things exist. Doesn't mean that they're.

[Mal]

And I think they only work when you believe in it.

[Rory]

Like Matilda.

[Julian]

So then it. So then it's real.

[Mal]

Well, not to me saying if you think magic is real, and maybe it will. Some will work on you. I don't think. If David Blaine came in here and start spitting up frogs in front of me, I wouldn't. I believe, but that's.

[Rory]

That's not magic. That was just, like, performative art. That's wild.

[Damaris]

Yeah, he's more of an endurance. He's more of an endurance performer.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Like, his stunts are more extreme physical bouts rather than, like, whatever.

[Mal]

Wasn't he a magician? The greatest magician ever.

[Julian]

Okay, so when we're. Okay. I mean, we're talking about magic, he's.

[Rory]

More of, like, a babe roots to me. He didn't go against the best competition.

[Mal]

Like, that's true.

[Julian]

We're not. We're not talking about Chris angel magic. Oh, my God, there's a rabbit behind my ear. Like, we're not. We're not talking about that kind of magic.

[Damaris]

Shout out Chris Angel.

[Julian]

We're talking about magic. Voodoo, hoodoo, Santaria, those type of, like, magics.

[Mal]

Yeah, I don't believe in that.

[Rory]

Well, you believe in dragons. Tell me that theory. When were the dragons here?

[Mal]

I don't believe in dragons.

[Rory]

Oh, I thought you were trying to tell me that. You looked at me like you don't believe in dragons. No, I never crossed my mind to believe.

[Mal]

I thought you did. No, you look like a dragon believer.

[Rory]

Drew Hill. And that's where I did this.

[Mal]

I drew the line on your wall growing up, for sure.

[Julian]

But you said you were looking for something new to watch.

[Mal]

Yes, I am.

[Julian]

Everybody told me to watch the bear. I went into it not. I'm not knowing what to expect other than the Jeremy Allen White memes. And it's an amazing show. I love it so much. It will give you anxiety if you're not a person that's used to chaos. But I like it a lot.

[Mal]

Have you. Have y'all watched Natalie Nun show and Zeus Baddies? Have you seen that?

[Rory]

I've seen clips, yeah.

[Mal]

That is the sickest shit on TV by far.

[Julian]

I'm aware. Yeah.

[Mal]

They just on there fighting. Yeah.

[Rory]

I had a stripper friend that put me onto that show and I was judging her at first, and then I watched a few clips and I was like, this is the funniest show. It's the funniest show on television.

[Mal]

I watched the whole first season. I'm on season Two, they just get, yo, what's up? And just start fighting.

[Rory]

Now tell me you don't believe in magic.

[Mal]

No. When Natalie Nunn is doing that Zeus is magic. I'm like, wait, so the. There's no storylines. These girls just follow each other on social media, or they know each other's social media. She said something slick and now she's in the house, so I'm trying to see what's up. Like, she tweeted something crazy. And it's like, soon as the chicks walk in, they say, hello. You gotta see the casting call that they just did with Natalie Nunn. Shinsea. And I forgot the other reggae artist's name. But, like, chicks was just coming in there and they was like, yo, you wanna get in the house? She was like, yeah. They was like, fight her right now. And they just start swinging on each other. I'm like, wait, this is tv. This is like. This is what's going on on TV right now.

[Rory]

I mean, this is like Squid Game, but reality TV version, bro.

[Mal]

They are just. I don't think y'all understand. There's no storylines. They just like, yo, you looking at me funny. I think you. You jealous. And they just start scrapping. And that's just the show. And then Natalie comes in and says, it's shot o'clock. They take a shot. They fucking.

[Rory]

I'm like, yo, wait, how do I get in this house?

[Mal]

Yeah. I'm like, yo, what is Natalie Nunn doing? And it's like, this is the thing, though. Like. And it's like, this season, you could tell the production budget is bigger, which means somebody cut a bigger check. Like, people are in tune to this shit, but it's just like all these girls are doing is straight up fighting.

[Rory]

Wait, they got the goat. Chrisean Rock.

[Mal]

Chrisean was in the first two baddies.

[Damaris]

She got a binky?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Oh, she's ready to fight.

[Mal]

She got coke on that bag Christian's sister's on there to take.

[Rory]

She.

[Mal]

I think her name Takeshi. I'm sorry if I messed your name. I don't want you fighting me.

[Rory]

Yo, taking out your binky to hit the vape Pen.

[Damaris]

Hit the vape.

[Mal]

No, this baddie, if you haven't seen this, this is by far some of the funniest and best TV I've ever seen. Because it's just girls on here fighting for no reason other than I don't like the way she looked at me. And they just start fighting.

[Rory]

Can I borrow your Zeus account?

[Mal]

Oh, yeah. 100. I want everybody to Watch this. This is the greatest on TV right now.

[Julian]

Well, did you watch Jocelyn's cabaret?

[Mal]

That's no other one. See, I'm just getting into, you know, I mean, like, I'm just getting into that world, baby D. So let me kind of. But I'm getting into that next because I didn't see some clips. I'm like, wait, this is how Jocelyn was giving it up.

[Rory]

So my stripper friend. That's the one.

[Mal]

They just squint. They just fighting.

[Damaris]

It's like backyard wrestling.

[Mal]

That's Sean's sister right there.

[Rory]

Oh, I could tell by the stands.

[Mal]

Yeah. No, no, she could fight. No, she could fight.

[Damaris]

And look at the boom mics.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Baddies east. Are you more of a baddies east or baddies west?

[Mal]

Oh, I'm from the east coast. I like. I like the east coast.

[Rory]

You go with the home team.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah. I like the east coast baddies. But now it's the baddies Caribbean. Now they in the Caribbean fighting. These bitches fighting on sand. It's all kind of going on. Like, I'm telling yo.

[Damaris]

Fighting on sand.

[Mal]

This is the greatest on tv.

[Rory]

Could you see yourself, like, maybe investing in a fighter and, like, maybe sponsoring one of these girls?

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

Like some manager, emotional type.

[Mal]

Yeah. 100.

[Damaris]

Did you, Ma. Have you checked out the. There's a boy version. There's bad boys.

[Mal]

Nah, nah. See, I don't. I don't. I don't want to.

[Damaris]

You don't want to watch the men throw down in Texas?

[Mal]

Nah, because I think they gay.

[Rory]

But they fight.

[Mal]

Yeah, but I don't want to see gay men.

[Rory]

Gay men can scrap.

[Mal]

Yeah, I don't want to see that.

[Damaris]

I mean, this looks exciting.

[Rory]

Oh, God damn. Oh, and they. They couldn't write in the ring. This is what reality TV used to be.

[Mal]

Insane.

[Damaris]

There's no goals, just women and men fighting.

[Rory]

It's. It's still fucked puff. But, like, if you remember making the band in the early days, before they put, like, laws on this shit, they were scrapping in that house for two episodes straight.

[Mal]

No, this is. If y'all thought that when Eness and what's the name fought in making the band, if y'all thought that was crazy. Yeah, it's Enes and Freddy fight. This is nothing compared to what the baddies is doing.

[Rory]

Pause. They had great stamina in this fight, though, because they fight for, like, a good 15 minutes. You know how hard it is to fight for 15 minutes in a studio? And there was. There was one fight in the House when they were going to different floors. Like, you run up some steps and then keep fighting.

[Mal]

Yeah, it's on now.

[Rory]

You're in shape.

[Julian]

They could never maybe that angry in my life ever change.

[Damaris]

What was like a changing levels and continuing the fight is crazy.

[Mal]

I thought your siblings, but sometimes you need that. Sometimes you need a good. You know, you got to just fight things out, man, and then we could be cool later.

[Rory]

But, yeah, to me, that made more sense than when they were singing boys to men for their bed.

[Mal]

Yeah, I ain't fight for the bed. Y'all want to stay in this house?

[Rory]

End of the road is not getting me on that pillow.

[Mal]

That's what Natalie doing. You want to stay in this house, you got to fight her.

[Julian]

Do y'all judge?

[Rory]

Do they have a house?

[Julian]

Do y'all judge women that watch shows like that?

[Rory]

No, I think everyone can just turn their brain off.

[Mal]

I judge women that watch shows like that, But I do judge. If you the type that that's what consumes your, like, social life as far as, like, what you talking about and things like that every day, it's like. That's when it's like, all right, you a little too invested into that, yo, but I'm locked in. I'm letting you know now.

[Rory]

Bentley getting in your face with a bow tie.

[Damaris]

Fonzberth playing mediator is hilarious.

[Rory]

What is Fonzworth up to?

[Mal]

I don't know, man.

[Julian]

How old is he?

[Rory]

He has to bring colors back. Him, Kanye, Andre 3000.

[Damaris]

He's 50.

[Mal]

Yeah. I'm not sure what Fonzworth Bentley's up to, man.

[Damaris]

How many umbrellas do you think he owns?

[Mal]

I've never thought about that. Julian.

[Damaris]

Yeah, he's got quite a collection.

[Rory]

He was kind of like one of the early male fashion influencers, I feel like, for sure.

[Damaris]

How's he not of his umbrella brand collab?

[Rory]

I'm sure he did. Is that an AKA umbrella?

[Mal]

I mean, he's just pinking.

[Rory]

Yeah, but it has, like, a crest on it. I thought they cry. I thought they're. Their arms was right there.

[Mal]

You matched it with. You see the watch?

[Damaris]

Look at the watch and the bow tie.

[Mal]

You a even see how you tied.

[Damaris]

It all in the dufflings.

[Rory]

This was a fun time. Well, no, Jocelyn's cabernet is crazy.

[Mal]

Cabernet or cabaret, whatever.

[Rory]

This cavern Jocelyn, I'm about to say.

[Mal]

She got wine now. Jocelyn not around with y the wine.

[Rory]

They make in jail.

[Mal]

Yeah, she about to get y'all drunk.

[Julian]

And then fight like, nah. But I. So I watched, like, an episode or two of Jocelyn's because my homegirl used to watch it, and Jocelyn is very entertaining. So I didn't mind, like, if she made me watch that with her. If I come over, I tell her I'm not watching. Bad. Turn that the off.

[Mal]

That clip with Jocelyn walking through, like, Hulk Hogan at Wrestlemania backstage, and she was fighting everybody. That's Cocaine Bear for real right there. Y'all talking about the movie Cocaine Be. When Jocelyn starts slapping, talking about, you get out my way. She was just swinging on everybody.

[Rory]

And they moved.

[Julian]

Oh, yeah, that was moved.

[Rory]

And she has probably the craziest thing that's ever been said on cable when a girl was crying about two abortions that she got. And then Jocelyn said, damn, double homicide.

[Julian]

No, that wasn't Josh. That was the girl behind her.

[Rory]

Either way, she was the. She was the GM of that whole.

[Julian]

Yeah, she aborted twins. And the girl, she was like, yeah, like, you know, talk about her abortion. She was like. And it was twins. And the girl behind her was like, damn. Double homicide. Yo, the girl turn around was like.

[Rory]

That was on the Cabernet, though, right?

[Julian]

Yeah. Oh, right there. Yeah, I just had an abortion.

[Rory]

Twins.

[Mal]

Twins. Yeah.

[Julian]

Double homicide.

[Mal]

That's.

[Rory]

If you couldn't think of a more inappropriate thing to say in this moment.

[Damaris]

I resonate with her so much.

[Mal]

Damn. That is homicide. That is me.

[Rory]

But who's thicker? The girl that said it or the editor that scored it? Like, drop the music.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

And they cut to the wide shot so she could get her shine. Hold on, hold on. We got that again.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Double homicide.

[Damaris]

Oh, it was her. I didn't see which one it was back right. Right here.

[Julian]

Double homicide.

[Damaris]

She fixes her glasses.

[Rory]

Same glasses.

[Julian]

The.

[Mal]

She said, oh, I'm sorry. No, you're not.

[Damaris]

That is me.

[Julian]

That is prime cinema, bro.

[Mal]

Yeah, I gotta see all of this that's going on on Zeus, man. Like, this is one of those networks that they just putting up, like, listen, man, they. I like the people over there because you bring an idea to them, they like, fuck it. We gonna find a way to do it.

[Rory]

And why I can't judge is instead of watching Dragon, which is probably like, high level tv, real storyline make you think. I was like, nah, fuck that. I'm watching the Dallas Cowboy cheerleader series on Netflix for an entire weekend. I finished the series.

[Mal]

Why?

[Rory]

Why not? Those women are inspiring. I even cried at one point.

[Mal]

So is it like, is it hard? It's like Hard Knocks.

[Rory]

Exactly like Hard Knocks, but for the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders. I didn't realize how inspiring.

[Mal]

Drama. Are they fighting?

[Rory]

No, it's just about, like, making the squad.

[Mal]

They got to get on they baddie. They ain't got no baddies over there.

[Rory]

Nah. Because they're supposed to be America's sweethearts. Like, classy and elegant.

[Mal]

Natalie Nunn has America's sweethearts.

[Rory]

These chicks, I give them all the credit because that is way tougher than I ever thought it would be. But to do all that for minimum wage is crazy.

[Damaris]

Yeah. All that for a skirt and $10.

[Rory]

Like, it's kind of wild. But I have a lot of respect for them. They. They are very talented. Like, I didn't realize the process. These are, like, trained, professional dancers.

[Mal]

I mean, aren't all.

[Rory]

They just. They just, for some reason, only dance to acdc. Like, these women are coming in as. As dancing to Mozart and all that shit for the tryouts, and they're like, yeah, run down the field. Smile to Thunderstrike. Like, yo, these are. These women could be on Broadway.

[Damaris]

Yeah, they're probably like Alvin Ailey students.

[Mal]

Some of them do. Some of them are like. I think some of the Nick City dancers. Well, I mean, I think all cheerleaders are professionally trained dancers. I think all of them have went to school for dance.

[Julian]

No, a lot of them, but no, not. Not all. It's. That's not a requirement. But for them, like the Dallas. So, yes, there's professional cheerleaders, but then there's the Dallas Cowboys cheerleader, which is a different.

[Rory]

Yes. The different brand.

[Mal]

No. Well, Dallas Cowboys, period, that brand is on a different level than any other organization probably in sports outside of maybe the Yankees.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's probably Yankees, Cowboys.

[Julian]

They always.

[Rory]

Lakers.

[Julian]

Black girl.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I mean, not the Lakers. Now, no offense, but.

[Mal]

Yeah, no, but even, like, even when.

[Rory]

The Cowboys suck, they're still one of, if not the highest grossing franchise.

[Mal]

They are the biggest. They are one of the biggest brands in the world.

[Rory]

And Cowboys, the cheerleaders are a huge part of that brand. Like, that shit is for real. It's very, very serious.

[Damaris]

Did you have a favorite, Roy? Do they. Do they give you some, like, characters that you can.

[Rory]

Reese. Reese was my favorite. She was a rookie.

[Damaris]

Okay, let's see.

[Rory]

Rookies, me and Kia. Was. Was hating which one. She's beautiful. I can't pick them out of this whole thing. You know, they make them all look alike. She is dating one of the cuter chicks, super sweet, and is dating like a thumb. It's the only way I could describe him.

[Mal]

I know. I know exactly what you mean.

[Rory]

And she brought him in to, like, introduce to the girls and everyone else. And she went to Alabama, was an Alabama cheerleader, and I guess this kid went, like, viral for doing some dumb drunk shit at an Alabama game. That's how she, like, saw him and everyone when he walked in. Oh, we thought you were dating someone from the team.

[Damaris]

No.

[Rory]

And then here comes in someone shorter and uglier than me with one of the baddest young cheerleaders, and it was like, yeah. And she DMed him. I was like, he either has to be the funniest guy. He had no job, by the way, either. He just moved to Dallas with her and was like, yeah, I think I'll find a gig.

[Mal]

Oh, he's living the dream.

[Rory]

He either he either has the craziest honey pack dick on earth, or he's hilarious because he doesn't have family money. And no offense, because they seem happy. I really don't want to sound like I'm. I'm hating. This is hate.

[Mal]

Yeah, it's okay.

[Damaris]

They got married, but I know I.

[Rory]

Wasn'T the only one watching that show, including all the other cheerleaders and the coach, and was like, hey, he looks.

[Julian]

Like a sweet guy.

[Rory]

Probably is.

[Mal]

Since when do sweet guys win?

[Julian]

They do win. They always win.

[Damaris]

Oh, come on.

[Rory]

That's. That's flattering.

[Damaris]

He got, like, chunky Ted Cruz.

[Rory]

That's probably the most flattering photo of him.

[Damaris]

He's. That's.

[Rory]

This is hate. I'm sorry. They're happy.

[Damaris]

His face is round.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mal]

Listen, man, I think I was probably.

[Rory]

A nice guy because me and he had a crush on Reese. I think that's why we were hating.

[Julian]

That doesn't look like your type. It must have been her personality.

[Rory]

Yeah, she was like, she's cute. They, like, haven't even touched, though. They're, like, super religious.

[Mal]

Oh, that's why she'll type religion. Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Yo, I was trying to find a common ground.

[Damaris]

Why don't you guys do a photo shoot like this for, like, tour promo or something?

[Mal]

Because we're not gay. That's why.

[Julian]

Happy pride.

[Damaris]

Well, not like this, but, like, there's.

[Rory]

A lot of Julian types on the show. I do suggest watching it. It was entertaining and much more than I thought goes into it. But, I mean, you know, Chad dm.

[Damaris]

One of the rookies I used to.

[Julian]

Be addicted to watching. They. When they used to do the tryouts every year, every summer, I would watch it. Like, they would have the episodes back to back. To back. I would watch it every summer.

[Damaris]

She's pretty.

[Julian]

It's like a core memory, yo.

[Rory]

And it was obvious, but I didn't realize it until they said it. Like, these women are stocked every day. They find air tags on their cars. Like, oh, yeah, it's nuts. They have to walk around with security more than rappers. Like, even photographers at the Thanksgiving day game are grabbing their asses and shit. Like, cops have to be on alert just for them.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's crazy.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Well, we were briefly talking about this before we started recording, but I said they have this whole thing too in their contract where they're not allowed to mix and co mingle with players and staff. And we all think that that's just for a legal byline. We don't think that's upheld at all in Reality Mall in particular.

[Rory]

I don't know. It might.

[Julian]

Their coaches don't play. Like, I don't like, don't play at all.

[Rory]

No, they should. They should be like war generals. Those two women. Yeah, they run a tight ship. But I. I don't see it because that is a big thing. They say in the beginning, like, you have to sign this. No fraternizing with anyone in the organization. Can't even like, speak to them. Separate hotels.

[Mal]

I get it.

[Rory]

I just don't. I don't know if they even run into each other like that because they need to use the field with all the yard markers so they can't be there when the players are there because they both need the field. I don't think they run into each other.

[Mal]

All right, well, at all.

[Rory]

Maybe on Instagram.

[Mal]

I can't speak for NFL because I haven't been around NFL organizations that much, but NBA cheerleaders.

[Julian]

Oh, yeah, of course.

[Rory]

Yeah. But let's not act like I've dropped.

[Mal]

A few of them off after leaving the homies crib is all I'm saying. Like, maybe not in the arena. You can't say hello and you can't speak. You can't do it in arena. But after them games is over and that arena closed. I know a lot of cheerleaders from. From a few teams. That's all I'm gonna say.

[Rory]

I mean, and I'm not downplaying NBA cheerleaders. I just think it's drastically different than the Dallas Cowboy cheerleader brand. Like, they're. They're there for this brand, not to just be around athletes.

[Damaris]

Okay, what NBA cheerleader? Like, what is a good. There's no, like, coveted, you know, I mean.

[Rory]

Yeah, but it's I mean, it's.

[Mal]

There's no coveted. What.

[Damaris]

Like the way in which we were saying, like when you think football. Dallas Cowboy cheers. They're. They're the number one. They're the bar for the NBA. There's not even. There's no like outlier team or that.

[Mal]

Girl team thing in the 80s. Yeah, for sure.

[Julian]

It used to be Laker Girls. I don't know about now, but even.

[Rory]

Then, like how an arena is set up, the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders are cheering the entire game on the sidelines, like all around. They have to like sit Indian style for like most of the game and just have to wait for a timeout and then they like sneak on the court. You don't. They're not like a big part of the process.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

The way I think NFL is. But listen, I got a lot of respect because that. That looked very tough.

[Mal]

Well, I'm glad you found a new show to watch and you enjoy.

[Rory]

I finished it in one weekend.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I can't wait for next season. Got to see who made the squad.

[Julian]

How would you feel about Amara being. Becoming a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader?

[Rory]

If you would have asked me that before the series, I would have given you a misogynistic no answer. But now actually learning about it. Yeah, I think it'd be really cool. She just. I think it's egregious what they pay them and for the time they put in and like how easily they can be cut. Like you could be a four year veteran, you get cut the next year. Everyone has to try out again.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Every year they had six new rookies for this season, which means six other people that were there before got cut.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So.

[Damaris]

Damn.

[Rory]

And it's not like everyone's local people are flying in and moving to Dallas just to try out.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

To make 15 hour.

[Rory]

But you'd be like one chick was a dentist. Like.

[Mal]

But you. Only they don't have like careers one day of the week, right?

[Rory]

No, they have practices.

[Julian]

They practice like three times a week.

[Rory]

But then they. They do so many fundraisers.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

The Christmas celebration that the Cowboys do is the whole month of December, like every weekend.

[Damaris]

They do a lot of appearances.

[Mal]

They make a lot of appearances. So are they paid just salary.

[Damaris]

So they're hourly.

[Rory]

Hourly 15 to $20.

[Mal]

Okay. So if there's other things going on.

[Rory]

But I don't know if that includes practice. They didn't give us a whole breakdown. Matter of fact, they really tried to avoid what the compensation was. Jerry Jones daughter was avoiding every question that had to do with that.

[Mal]

Yeah. So this is just a classic example of just wanting to be a part of a brand, because you have another play in mind that once you're done with this, girls probably dance for three, four years, five years maybe, and then they want to transition and do something else. But having this on your resume does stand out. If you're a dancer.

[Julian]

I think a lot of these girls, it was. If you're a dancer, this is your dream since you're. You were a kid. Like, you dream about being. You know what I'm saying? Like, you dream about.

[Mal]

I've had a lot of dreams since I was a kid. And once those dreams come to fruition, you realize what the. Was I dreaming?

[Rory]

It was around sixth grade that I realized I wasn't making the league.

[Mal]

Yeah. Just like, what is this?

[Julian]

Damn. It took you that long?

[Rory]

We were good in cyo. There was a lot of controversy. Like, I was reading articles that were outraged by this series because it digs into, like, body shaming. And you have to be a certain type of figure and you have to keep a certain amount of weight. I get it if that was, like, in high school or college, but that's the gig. If that's what they want. Yeah, I can see how that would be harmful. But it's. They're all adults.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, you gotta make weight in other shit. What's wrong with them having to make weight, too? They were saying it was very misogynistic and objectifies women and makes them feel like shit. And one girl talked about an eating disorder, which was awful. But that is the gig. Like, I don't think the Cowboys are shitty if that's the brand that they.

[Mal]

Want to put out there, not the Cowboys. I think probably what people are saying is that sometimes these restrictions are a little too much to put on somebody. Because if a woman really wants this gig and she has to make weight, the things that some women will put themselves through just to achieve this goal of being a Dallas Cowboy cheerleader, it's like, you know, like, maybe y'all should lighten up on some of these restrictions. Like, maybe a woman should be over 150 pounds. Maybe she could be 157 and still perform to the highest level.

[Rory]

But I get it. If it's image and athletic ability does have to deal with your weight, what would be the difference if they were in a Broadway show that required them to look a certain way? You have to continue to stay at that image.

[Damaris]

That's what makes them the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders.

[Rory]

Shitty example. Fighters have to make a weight. Like, they do horrible things sometimes to make weight. Wrestlers do horrible things to make weight. Yeah, it's fucked up. But that's the gig that you're signing up for. Well, in high school and all that other shit. No, you shouldn't be doing that fight.

[Mal]

Is making way more money than these girls effects.

[Julian]

And on top of that, fighters are making weight, if I'm not mistaken. That's for. They have to have a certain weight for, like, health and safety. Like, safety issues. We have to be around the same weight or whatever.

[Rory]

Oh, enough. Yeah, sure. But I'm saying people do up things to make a weight or an image for gigs like.

[Julian]

And also, like, we have to stop with this, like, super soft shit. Granted, yes, restrictions are really hard on women. They call us all types of fat bitches and they're awful to us. That's the world. Right? It's awful. It needs to change. But when it comes to something like that, you don't have to do it. No one is forcing you to not eat bagels for four days because you have to make weight. Like, that's a decision like Rory said that you're making as a grown woman. If you don't support that, then don't do it.

[Rory]

Now, maybe they could hire a nutrition nutritionist because they're making so much money and paying nobody. At least give these girls, like, a doctor. That could help instead of choosing bulimia. But, you know, it's not like they're working at an advertising agency and the boss is like, yeah, you need to lose weight. Like, that's fucked up. Yeah, but that. This is the gig. They flat out say you're supposed to look like America's sweetheart. Which probably has a lot of racist undertones. I'm with you on that one. But losing weight isn't it. That's just your brand. That's the Cowboys cheerleaders.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Julian]

And you know that when you go to sign up. So the girls aren't complaining. No one trying out for that team is complaining. It's other people complaining.

[Rory]

Yeah, that was a long rant about the Cowboys. Sorry about the Cowboys.

[Mal]

Reese has a heavy on from now on.

[Damaris]

Yeah, the Cowboys.

[Rory]

I think it's the rejection from Reese. Like, once I found out she had a guy, I was. I started to resent her.

[Mal]

You need serious help.

[Julian]

Did you guys watch the Olympic trials?

[Damaris]

Hell yeah.

[Rory]

I can't wait for the Olympics this year. It's fun. It's. Track is trendy.

[Mal]

Paris. Yeah.

[Rory]

You're not gonna go out there Nah.

[Mal]

I would love to, but, no, I've never been to no Olympic Games. Now that I think about it, neither of I never.

[Julian]

Sha'carri out there smoking, like, oh, my heart. She makes my.

[Mal]

I'm happy for her, man, because she had a rough. She had a rough moment a couple years ago, and it would have been easy for her to fold and kind of like, just disappear, and we never know about what happened with her. But, you know, she rebranded herself and, you know, got back on the track, worked out, and now she's on her way to her first Olympics. It's her first one, right?

[Damaris]

Yeah. She got banned from Tokyo. I'm excited. And she had. I mean, that race, the race, she just ran an awful start. She took a sidestep to the right, which is. Anyone knows out the blocks that cost. That's significant time. And she still smoked. Smoked the last 60 meters of that race. She cooked. She ran a 10:88. I think she could crack 10:6 on her best day at 10:5 in the final.

[Rory]

Yeah, her second 50 was always the best. If she could fix her start, yeah, she's going to be a pro.

[Damaris]

There's two falls out the blocks. There's a forward fall and then a side fall, and the side fall is the worst fall, and she still won that heat. So she's. She's looking really, really good.

[Julian]

Her final heat, she wanted. She ran a 10 7, and she wasn't even. She was celebrating before the line, like, she's. That girl is insane.

[Rory]

I mean, I think it's going to be. Even though she didn't make it the last Olympics, but for the past four years, women's track has been more exciting than men's track for the first time. So I'm happy she's going.

[Mal]

I think. I feel like women's sports is more exciting than men's sports at this time. Just being honest, I was talking to somebody about the NBA Finals, and, you know, this was the first year I was kind of like, you know, I had Dallas to win it. I thought Luke and Kyrie was going to win it. I'm glad Tatum and Brown got a ring. They've been knocking at the championship door for the last few years, but even in. Even in them winning, it didn't feel like a team had just won the finals.

[Rory]

That finals was trash. Let's just call it what it was. The playoffs this year were great. Finals were trash.

[Mal]

I was like, yo, this is. This is it. Like, this is the championship. This season is over. Like, this is it just didn't feel. It didn't have that. It didn't have that. That. That championship energy, that championship allure. Like, this is a trophy that most players will never win, and you watch the team win it. It didn't feel like, you know, they just didn't. I don't know. It's something. It just doesn't. The NBA doesn't have that energy. I don't know what it is, but for the last couple years, it's been a very lackluster vibe. With the NBA playoffs in the championship.

[Rory]

With women's sports on the rise, and me just watching this Dallas Cowboys cheerleader thing, like, I think I have a full grasp of what it takes. Could we start the first male cheerleader crew? Like, maybe for the Liberty or the Sparks?

[Mal]

Me.

[Rory]

UG Herbo. Like, we could just. We could be the male cheerleader. If we make weight. We could be the male cheerleaders for women's sports.

[Damaris]

Oh, you're out.

[Mal]

Yeah, I'll pass on that. I'm cool.

[Julian]

Y'all can't lift each other up. Y'all weak.

[Mal]

Who can't lift.

[Julian]

You? You couldn't lift Rory up?

[Mal]

Like, hold him above my head?

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

No, I can't do that.

[Julian]

No, exactly.

[Damaris]

You want to try?

[Mal]

You can get Jadakiss.

[Rory]

I just saw him on the rings.

[Mal]

You can see Jadakiss on rings.

[Rory]

You didn't see him do that? Crazy, acrobatic Jadakiss was on, like, the rings inverted.

[Mal]

No, no.

[Rory]

How did you not see this clip? This went viral.

[Mal]

Don't tell me Kiss was on no rings. I see.

[Rory]

Wait for it. No way.

[Mal]

That's.

[Rory]

You better stop playing with Jada.

[Mal]

No, but he's doing, like.

[Rory]

Okay, no, wait. Wait for it.

[Mal]

Oh.

[Julian]

If you're on audio, you gotta go see the video on YouTube.

[Rory]

And then there's another version where he just holds himself upside down for, like, a minute. So Kiss could definitely join our cheerleading squad.

[Mal]

Kiss? What the fuck you got going on, man? We'll kiss over there, though. I know.

[Rory]

He being healthy, man.

[Mal]

No, I'm. That's dope. But on the rings, like, where did kids even find those? What gym is that?

[Damaris]

He did it in a trench coat.

[Rory]

Yeah, I think this was the one. I can't believe you missed this. This was crazy.

[Damaris]

In the trench.

[Julian]

Yeah. Go Kiss.

[Damaris]

Go ahead.

[Rory]

Look at that. Takes core strength.

[Mal]

Yeah. He worked. No, but he been in. He been on this. He'd been on his workout shit for a few years, though. Bow at the end is hilarious. Yo, this nigga got real songs with Biggie.

[Rory]

No made up shits.

[Mal]

No made up shits. That's crazy.

[Rory]

So you wouldn't want to look into that with me?

[Mal]

No, I'm cool.

[Rory]

What squad would you want to cheer on?

[Mal]

I'm not. I'm not. I'm not a cheerleader, bro.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mal]

I mean, well, let the Internet tell it. I am.

[Rory]

Yeah, I guess that was set up for. For an easy joke. Yeah, I didn't even. I didn't even put those two and two together.

[Mal]

I like the record and, you know, whatever.

[Rory]

Listen, we don't have to go down that path. There was people in my DMs multiple over the weekend that said that they were going to murder me and my daughter based off my opinion of wanting to hear some B sides at the Kendrick show.

[Mal]

What do you want? Welcome to the club yet I'm the weirdo. That's a light weekend. You want to kill you and your daughter. That's light. That's like.

[Rory]

Yes, that's fine. But for the reason.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Is the craziest part.

[Mal]

That's not glazing.

[Rory]

Wanting to murder me and my daughter. That's up to par.

[Mal]

Want to kill a. Cause he don't like who you like. That's not glazing.

[Rory]

No. I actually like the guy so much, I wanted to hear his B sides. I wanted to hear some section 80 stuff.

[Mal]

You. You Internet are so weird, man. Oh, man. But I love having fun with them, so.

[Rory]

No, it's great to have the conversations back and forth. I just, I understand like a lot of the flack we've been getting just from that point of view. But the B side one, I have just racking my mind all weekend.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Of why that was so offensive to everyone that I personally just felt like I wanted that.

[Mal]

Welcome to the club, man. Welcome to the fucking club.

[Rory]

But it's cool. Bobby was setting them straight over the weekend. They didn't need me. So they sent. They sent Big Bob over there.

[Mal]

So Kendrick is Billy Bob. Kendrick shot a video for Not Like Us. So not only do we have the Amazon show, now we have the video. Get ready to come out.

[Rory]

Oh, you hating. You sound like me and Reese.

[Damaris]

You said he outside too much.

[Mal]

That's hate. Now we got the video because the video's on the way.

[Rory]

I thought it was cool, like, BTS for videos being a thing again. Even complex. Who you know, we've been back and forth with. I thought it was cool. They were on set like old MTV News shit, covering music videos. I thought that was something I miss in the Culture when music videos, like, mattered and they. All of media stopped what they were doing to go to the set and interview people. That was cool.

[Mal]

Listen, all of this shit aside, y'all don't think this is like, it's. It's a bit much with this record now? Like, y'all don't think that it's like. It's like we've dragged it a little. Like it's a diss record. Number one. Great. All of this Amazon show great now.

[Rory]

But if you have a number one record, you're not gonna shoot a video.

[Mal]

First of all, I don't believe that record went number one. That's just.

[Rory]

It did.

[Mal]

But whatever. It definitely number two. I get it. But like, now we get the video, which means now we gotta roll the video out into the album.

[Rory]

Like, sounds like a rollout.

[Julian]

Damn. Sounds like a successful rollout.

[Damaris]

Yeah, it sounds like a standard rollout.

[Mal]

Yeah. But I'm just saying, off of a diss record, though.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Drake shot a video, a nine minute video.

[Mal]

He didn't roll out an album.

[Rory]

He rolled a whole van into the six.

[Mal]

Did he roll out an album over a diss record?

[Rory]

No.

[Mal]

All right, so back to what I was saying. Y'all don't think this is a bit like.

[Rory]

Didn't he not do that into views?

[Julian]

Yes.

[Mal]

Views.

[Rory]

Didn't he take the momentum from the Meek thing into the Future thing and then into views? I think the Meek went right into the future collab album. Like, that was momentum.

[Mal]

That's different, bro. I'm talking about. This is. This is what Meek was on. Was that Meek on the Future album?

[Rory]

He did the 30 for 30 freestyle right after. Charged up, back to back.

[Julian]

The Meek song wasn't on the album.

[Rory]

You don't know that. Not like us is going to be on Kendrick's album.

[Mal]

Are you, Rory? Don't make me kick your channel. You. You.

[Rory]

You put out music.

[Mal]

You. You think that that song is not going to be on the album?

[Rory]

I don't know.

[Damaris]

I don't think it will.

[Mal]

Why y'all sitting here?

[Rory]

I'm kind of. Man, I'm kind of on the side that Kendrick won't do that.

[Julian]

I don't.

[Rory]

I could be very wrong.

[Damaris]

I don't think it will because it.

[Rory]

Would be the smart thing to do it.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah. Y'all ball been on the crazy side.

[Damaris]

Because Kendrick's. Because Kendrick's albums are.

[Mal]

So you think that this song is not gonna be a Kendrick's album?

[Rory]

No.

[Damaris]

Because his album is so conceptually concise that thematically I, I don't think this would fall in line with whatever message he's. He's putting out. If anything bonus, it would be like, here's the album, 12 songs, whatever track, 13 bonus. Not like us, but it wouldn't.

[Mal]

You think that this song is not going to be on Kendrick's album?

[Damaris]

I don't think it would have fall in sequence of the message of the album itself. But I can see a world where it would be added as a bonus record to the album.

[Mal]

I mean, okay, you think this is going to be a bonus record on Kendrick?

[Damaris]

Sure, maybe. Maybe.

[Rory]

Hotline Bling obviously wasn't a diss to Meek, but it was in the three pack that had a dis to Meek as a throwaway. And then it ended up being his biggest song. He shot a video and put it on his album.

[Mal]

Yeah, but when that came out, I was one of the ones that was like, yo, y'all listening to these diss records. This Hotline Bling record is insane. Yeah, but like we talking about not like us. Y'all think that this is not going to be on his album? Well, Julian said he think it's going to be a bone.

[Rory]

I think if, if any artist wouldn't do it, it would be Kendrick.

[Julian]

I agree.

[Rory]

I think any other artist would. And it's a smart thing to do. I just don't know if he's gonna do that. I think this is all more rolling into the TDE 20 year anniversary momentum than it is whatever solo shit Kendrick is.

[Mal]

This is Kendrick's first album on PG Lane.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Mal]

And y'all don't think that this record is going to be on the album.

[Rory]

I feel like if he was still on TDE and Interscope, they would force him to. But I think he can make his own decisions now. And Kendrick would be one of the artists that I think wouldn't do that.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Julian]

I wouldn't. Listen, I'm not saying it won't be. I don't think it will, but I'm not saying it won't be. It's a possibility, business wise. It would be smart to put it on there.

[Mal]

And this is a what business? Right? It's a music business.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I just don't know.

[Julian]

Saying that it wouldn't. That he shouldn't do it or that it's not smart for him to do it.

[Mal]

I'm asking you if you think it will be. You said no. You don't think.

[Julian]

I don't. I don't think that it will be.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Julian]

But as far as the video and stuff mall. Like, you know, usually when people be saying, you be hating, I'll be like sticking up for you. But nah, like it's when a song has this momentum. Like you just said, it's a business when a song has this momentum and this much talk. Yeah. You shoot a video for it. Yeah, that's. That's what you do. You would be a dumb ass businessman to not do so like.

[Mal]

But you don't. But you don't think he's gonna put on album.

[Julian]

No, I don't. But that's not.

[Rory]

Because I don't think it's that important to big of an artist that Kendrick is that he would need to put that on there to make sure it sells.

[Julian]

It's gonna sell.

[Rory]

Kendrick Lamar sells every time he puts music out. If this, if this was reversed too, and let's say there was a Not like us on the Drake side and he was about to put an album out, I would say Drake wouldn't need to put that on there either. They're both a list artists that can make their own decisions.

[Mal]

Two very different artists for sure.

[Rory]

But they're both a listers.

[Julian]

And hence the line Kendrick just opened his mouth. So I'm gonna go give him a Grammy right now. Like, there's a reason why he said that.

[Mal]

Of course there's a reason why.

[Julian]

Kendrick don't need help selling. He don't need to.

[Mal]

That's not why he said that. So I think you took that ball wrong. That's not why you said that. What do you mean he said that? Because he's basically saying that no matter what he says, people are gonna act like it's the greatest in the world. An animal Grammy. Yeah, I know it was a good barker.

[Rory]

But also he's never had struggles selling.

[Mal]

No, I'm. This is not about that. I'm saying that I don't think they.

[Rory]

Need Bobby at the Park.

[Mal]

You think that this song that got him a bag from Amazon to do a show and now he's shooting a video for it. You think all of that, but he's not gonna put it on his first album on. On his own.

[Rory]

Yeah, I think that Drake Kendrick thing, he's closing that chapter. It's done and then he's gonna move on to it.

[Julian]

And I also think that even if Not Like Us hadn't come out, I still think that Kendrick will get that Amazon.

[Rory]

Now do I think there's going to be another diss on the album that's new? Yes, I do. I don't think it's gonna be not like us. I think it'll be a brand new verse or song in itself. And I think Drake's gonna do the same thing. I think they're gonna go back and forth the way Jay and Nas continued on when it was done. Blueprint 2 versus God's plan. Like God's son. I'm sorry.

[Mal]

Well, back to the Amazon show. One person that we talked about that wasn't there to Game, he finally addressed, I guess, all of the talking and the rumblings of why he wasn't there. And, you know, he basically, basically set the record straight on why he wasn't there. He said, motherfuckers in my DMs and all these blog sites and whatnot, talking about the west coast ain't fucking with you and you ain't this and you ain't that and you siding with this nigga and that nigga. When the fuck y'all heard me say a motherfucking thing about who I'm siding with and this and that, I be in my own lane, chilling nigga, taking care of my kids out the fucking way. I mean, I get what he was.

[Rory]

Saying and I understand why he addressed it. I don't know if he needed to, per se.

[Mal]

He needed to, but he definitely needed to.

[Rory]

Yeah, I take that back. He kind of did need to say something.

[Mal]

I love what he said about his. He said his relationship with Drake. My relationship with Drake. Drake is my brother. I fuck with Drake. If I call Drake and tell him I need this, I need that, he gonna do it. If I tell him my kids want concert tickets, nigga, they in that bitch. I'm a father first. And my loyalty is with motherfuckers that's loyal to me. So my loyalty is with motherfuckers that's loyal to me. That stood out.

[Julian]

Mm.

[Mal]

Because basically what you're saying is, okay, I'm only loyal to the niggas that's loyal to me. So who's not loyal to Game? I said it. Over the past couple weeks, it's been a thing that I, you know, talking to people in la, and a lot of people really feel like LA don't embrace Game the way they should. I know a lot of people saying it's because of his management with Whack. People don't really fuck with Whack like that.

[Rory]

I think Games done a good job of publicly having a stance on. Even though Whack is his manager, he does not agree. Like, remember when that whole Nipsey versus Whack thing was happening, drink champs and all that. Game was extremely vocal in saying, I don't agree with. Not one word he just said, he's my manager. I with him. But that's. I don't agree. Everything Wax says doesn't mean Game agrees with it. So he's made that separation. But I could see how it could rub people the wrong way, because Whack is a very powerful voice and has a lot of opinions that rub people the wrong way.

[Mal]

Yeah, but.

[Rory]

So who do you think is not loyal to Gang? What are you alluding to?

[Mal]

Oh, I don't know. I'm just saying there's been talks about, you know, LA kind of turning their back on them. Compton kind of turning their back on them. Again, I don't know. I'm not from the city, so I don't. I don't. I don't know. But just speaking from people from la, there's some things that people were saying and I. I was surprised by it because I didn't. I didn't know that that's where it stood with Game. But I like that he did address it and he made the record clear. He fucked with Drake, so he. Of course he wouldn't be a part of a show that's seemingly, you know, put Peyton Drake in a certain type of light, because that's his. His brother, as he said. And I respect that. You know, it's tough when you from a city and an artist from the same city you're from is beefing or got a situation with somebody you cool with. It takes a lot for you to stand in and be like, yo, I get it. This is Compton. I support Kendrick, but that's my man, you know, that's my brother. Drake is my brother. So I'm siding. I stand with Drake in this situation.

[Rory]

Okay, but if you're Top dog, wouldn't you feel some type of way?

[Mal]

Nah, you can't. I don't think you can.

[Rory]

I feel away. But, like, if he's standing with Drake, that is standing with the opposite. You're not being neutral. You're saying, I stand with Drake.

[Mal]

Yeah, but that's why I respect that.

[Rory]

Okay?

[Mal]

That's why I respect it. Cause it's like, yo, nah, this is my brother. This is my. He obviously has a different type of relationship with Drake than he does with Kendrick, and that's okay.

[Rory]

I met more so with Top in their history.

[Mal]

And I mean, again, he feels like his relationship with Drake is a lot. They have a stronger bond, they have a stronger connection, a strong Relationship then.

[Rory]

Where him and Top may have just more time together rather than.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Closeness.

[Mal]

So I don't know, man.

[Rory]

These guys. And obviously I was talking like, I knew game last. Last episode.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah. You diagnosed about four different mental illnesses.

[Rory]

It's okay because I'm a doctor.

[Mal]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Rory]

Listen, Dr. Farrell, I watched the Cowboys.

[Mal]

Cheerleaders, and once you watch that, you become. You become PhD.

[Rory]

Those ladies get injured a lot.

[Mal]

Yeah, I get it.

[Rory]

I could definitely diagnose a twisted ankle.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Immediately just off how swollen it was. But either way, I'm glad this shit is starting to die down. But with this video, I'm sure it'll reignite everything. I actually really have no opinion on the Bobby Aldo thing. I don't know. I've said my piece about Bobby, her being there. Yg. I don't. Are they doing an interview? Was that just part of the interview that's going to come out with yg?

[Mal]

It's like mascot shit at this point. Bring Bobby to the hood. Parade her around.

[Rory]

I've. I've said my piece since the second Bobby episode, so it's not hating if I thought it was weird. She was there.

[Mal]

It was weird.

[Damaris]

I was reading some stuff about Kendrick that I thought was interesting. Most of the stuff I just kind of combed through it ignore because it's all like fan fodder. But there was this whole thing about Kendrick's been the most. We've seen Kendrick in the spotlight, really seemingly ever is like, since this beef with the show, the music video, just like him being outside and people are speculating. Is Kendrick ready to assume the role of being someone that's more of a public figure, like being, you know, seen outside consistently making music? Or do you guys think. Do you think he'll assume that role and stay in this position? Or will do you think he'll kind of slowly, once this. This whole rollout in the album comes out, kind of go back into his ways.

[Rory]

When PG Lang was first being announced, however many years ago, that was before Mr. Morale, my prediction was that out of whatever this is, because we didn't know much about it at all at that point, I predicted that Kendrick was going to be outside a lot more. We'd be seeing a lot more of him. He'd be doing more features, be more visuals. Like, I just don't think it's going to be the quiet Kendrick anymore now that he's free with his own company. I think we're going to see a lot more of Kendrick. But I thought that before the whole Drake thing. So, yeah, I think this is going to be part of the career, part of Kendrick's career where we see him way more than we did before.

[Mal]

I don't know. I haven't thought that much about it. I think that Kendrick is still going to be who he is. He's not a guy that's. That you just see all the time. So I don't know. I mean, it's album time. You got to be outside, you got to be more visible, accessible. So we'll have to see once this album rolls out and you know, it's. That that period is over with, we would have to see what type of role Kendrick is willing to step because now they crowning him the King of the West.

[Rory]

But that was like, before this. People were saying that.

[Damaris]

I was gonna say who. Who even before then would have been if it not him.

[Rory]

There's been amazing west coast artists, but it felt like it went from Game to Kendrick pretty seamlessly. And that's not discredited.

[Mal]

Well, Snoop at the house.

[Rory]

Yg, right.

[Mal]

Wasn't it? Yeah. And even the Game might have said it, that Kendrick was the king.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Otherwise, at one point, um, I don't know. But I just think that when you. When you are in that role now and with all of this that's going on with this, this new album and this, the record now, I think that Kendrick has to be a little more visible. He has to be a little more accessible. Um, I don't know if he will be, though. I think Kendrick is at that point in his life where he do. He can do what the fuck he want to do. So if he want to disappear after this is over with and not be seen for a couple years, I think he'll very much do that too.

[Rory]

Well, I mean, out of the big three, Kendrick was the only one that hadn't, like, owned his own label. So I think just by proxy, now that he has PG Lang with Dave Free as a business owner and they talked about signing acts, doing multimedia experiences and all this shit, he's going to have to be visible just for his company. Like Cole, who's Private is still seen a lot, especially when it's time to do the Dreamville compilations or shit. He'll pop up at Ari shows like, he is very visible when his crew needs it because he's the leader, and that's Dreamville's him and Eve Drake the same way. He'll hop on OVO albums. He'll show up for them. Kendrick now needs to do that more than ever. Now that he has his own company, so he'll be around, which is great.

[Mal]

We'll see. Definitely want to see what they did with the video.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I hope they use some footage from the live stream.

[Rory]

Oh, I'm sure they will. I'm sure they'll put a video this. I mean, of course they perform not like us 10 times because of the moment, but I think they also did that to get as much footage as they could for the video, the same way Kanye and Jay for Paris when they did it seven times because they were shooting the video.

[Mal]

Oh, I thought they did it so that Westbrook could keep getting the off on stage.

[Julian]

Westbrook on your ass.

[Rory]

He was in the groove, and Kendrick was just like, keep going.

[Julian]

Cause you said he was shaking his ass.

[Mal]

He was shaking his ass. You want me to do. I mean, I ain't say he was twerking. He was. He was dancing. He was shaking his ass.

[Rory]

You could shake your ass and average a triple double.

[Mal]

Yeah, it's possible. It's a quadruple double.

[Rory]

Mall. You finally got your moment. You've been talking about it for months.

[Mal]

Oh, yes.

[Rory]

Chief Keef performed in Chicago.

[Mal]

It happened. It happened. We didn't hear about nothing happening after the show and at the show, so that means it was a success. Chief Key performed for the first time in Chicago in 10 years. Over 10 years. And this was dope, man. This was a moment. I've seen the clips, the videos from it. This was. This was huge, man. I, I, we haven't. We didn't talk what's happened last week, but Rory sent me the clip the night it happened, and I was happy for Chief Keef to be back in Chicago. I didn't think. I'm gonna be honest. I did not think this was gonna happen. I thought they were gonna cancel last minute and, you know, the city was gonna step in like, yo, it's too much of a risk. Too much of a. You know, it's, It's a problem for the public, but it happened. And just looking at this clip, everyone's recording, everybody has their fan, their phones out. This was a huge, huge moment, man. Yeah, this was. This is.

[Rory]

You know how, like, at venues, you can feel the entire place start to shake at certain points. I think he probably made that park shake when that.

[Mal]

This almost rivals when. Where was DMX at when he performed?

[Rory]

Stock Woodstock. 98, I think. 99, whatever that was.

[Mal]

This might. It's. Obviously, it's not as many people at this festival that Chief Keef was at, but this is Right up there with that moment. For me, like, this is, to me, actually, the Chief Keef moment might be bigger than this. It was more people at this because it's Woodstock. But Chief Keef, performer, finito in Chicago after not being in the city for a little over 10 years after being.

[Rory]

Banned from a major city in the United States that he was a resident of.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's. That's. That's a. That's a fucking moment, man.

[Julian]

Can y'all imagine Jay Z not being able to perform in New York for 10 years and then comes back and performs n in Paris for the first time in New York? We might have broken.

[Rory]

I feel like this would even be a bigger moment than that.

[Mal]

Yeah. What Chief Keef has done just culturally in Chicago and what he's, you know.

[Rory]

Not just for music, period.

[Mal]

Well, music, but more importantly in the city of Chicago. You know, we all know obviously, there's a lot of, you know, negative energy that kind of seeped into that whole movement, unfortunately. But just that. That is still a part of it as well. That's part of the entire thing. That moment right there, though, Chief Keef back in Chicago is definitely one of the biggest moments in hip hop history. Without a doubt, that's something that will be talked about. If you were there, you're never gonna forget that moment. And it means a lot. It means a lot to the city. A lot of those people in the crowd never seen Chief Keef perform. They've never seen him in Chicago, you know, so to have that moment and, you know, Chief Keef, you know, just bringing the energy that he brought to the city of Chicago again, it's a lot of negative things that happen as a result of that. But, you know, we also got to look at the fact that what he did for music in his city and the opportunities that he's given the cats that came behind him, there can be.

[Rory]

Some redemption in all the negative that did come out.

[Mal]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

Of this entire thing. But, I mean, listen, when he performed in Philly, I was losing my mind. I could only imagine in Chicago.

[Mal]

Shout out to Chief Keef, man, that was a big moment. I'm glad that the city of Chicago was able to make that happen.

[Damaris]

Shout out Cole Bennett, lyrical Lemonade. Just delivering that moment to that city's incredible man.

[Mal]

Shout out to them. That was a big moment for the city, a big moment for Chief Keef, Big moment for hip hop. And, you know, hopefully they're able to create other opportunities for things like that to happen in the city of Chicago as well. And, you know, I would like to see Chief Keef do some things in Chicago as far as, like, you know, trying to. Trying to clean up some of the mess and talking to some of the people that are there and. And some of the guys, man, hopefully this is a step in the direction of, like Rory said, redemption, changing things, creating more opportunities for the young, the next generation. The generation. Now, don't let it just be one moment on stage that night. Like, let it parlay into other. Other avenues as well. In the city of Chicago, we almost.

[Rory]

Showed up late to our Roots Picnic set. Cause we were watching Chief Keef.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, I had to. I never. That was my first time seeing Chief Keef perform live, so I had to. We had to do that.

[Rory]

I didn't embarrass you at all, did I? Because I was, like, really into the set.

[Mal]

No, not at all. It was dope to see.

[Rory]

I almost took my shirt off.

[Mal]

Yeah, I'm glad you didn't do that.

[Damaris]

Rory was doing, like, the finger guns, too.

[Mal]

He's doing finger guns?

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

He's definitely not doing the fingers.

[Damaris]

Yeah, he did, like, 10 push ups, too.

[Mal]

Why did push ups while he was performing, while Chief Keef was on stage.

[Damaris]

He was in the. I remember that year. He was in the pavilion, right? He had that place jumping. Cause that's the best spot for sound at that festival.

[Mal]

Yeah. No, it was that. Even that in Philly, that moment, seeing him on stage, I was like, yeah, he still has the following that I thought he did, without a doubt.

[Rory]

Speaking of not like us, double XL, freshman class 2024. Not quite sure why it says Not Like Us on the COVID but kind.

[Damaris]

Of whack that they did that. I'm not gonna lie.

[Rory]

And that's not a Kendrick thing. It's very unoriginal of Double XL to do that, in my opinion. Like, what. What does that have to do.

[Damaris]

What does that have to do with any of these people?

[Julian]

Well, do they name. Do they name the Double XL cover every year? Do they do, like, a little cute little catchphrase or anything?

[Damaris]

No.

[Rory]

Like, maybe next up.

[Damaris]

Yeah, we got next.

[Rory]

Or like, yeah, not just what the hottest song is at the moment to just put right there, y'all.

[Julian]

Not like that.

[Damaris]

Like, it's interesting.

[Rory]

They didn't like When Young and made in 2014. They didn't just put, like, ooh, the class of 2014.

[Mal]

You know, it.

[Rory]

It's a little corny to me, but I'm not really mad at the choices this year. Usually I have no idea who the is on this cover, but the pictures here were cool.

[Mal]

Listen, the Bronx legend is on the COVID Cash Cobain.

[Rory]

Anyone from the Bronx is a legend, right?

[Mal]

Cash Cobain's a legend for sure. Shout out to Skillababy. Boss man, dealer Boss. Mandela had a show here in the city, I think last week.

[Julian]

Really?

[Mal]

Somebody had told me about it. I didn't know until like, the. The late that night it was over. I probably would have went to that just to see what that was like. See what the Boss Mandelo show was like.

[Rory]

Yeah, four bats on there. Scarlet, that Mexican OT who's great honcho. A lot of people on here.

[Julian]

Shout out.

[Mal]

Shout out to Scarlet.

[Julian]

Shout out. Lay banks. That's my girl.

[Rory]

Oh, and they did a producer. Have they done a producer in the past?

[Damaris]

Well, it's the person that mixes the.

[Rory]

Freestyle, I was about to say, because Southside is definitely not a freshman.

[Damaris]

Yeah, it's usually a legacy person.

[Rory]

Okay, got you. Will they do the freestyles this year?

[Julian]

I'm assuming so, yeah. If they saying beats by Southside, I think.

[Rory]

What was the. What year was it when it was Uzi, Denzel Curry, Yachty 2016. To me, that was like, we talk about extremely pivotal moments in hip hop. Like, we've talked a million times about the Kanye beating 50 thing for the first time to show like, nerds were beating the street shit. That 2016 double XS freestyle is one of the most pivotal moments, whether you like it or not, in hip hop and how it changed. Like, the sound completely, completely changed. And look at everyone that was on that cover and where they are now, right?

[Mal]

Kodak Black 21, Savage, Uzi Yachty, Denzel Curry.

[Rory]

Like, this really epitomized what the future was looking like. And again, whether you like that or not is your own opinion. And I remember the day when this dropped. I'm not saying I was sitting there going like, the future is here. I'm happy. Old head Twitter was really pissed during this day, and I see why. If you grew up on a different type of hip hop. But I think we all as like the older haters need to look back at this and see where all these gentlemen are now.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

And the good that they have done.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

This. This was a wild moment in hip hop.

[Mal]

I mean, because it's, you know, at that time. When was this? 2016. Yeah, this was, you know, just the. The. The look, the aesthetic was just so much different. So I think, you know, the. The prototypical hip hop heads was like, what is this? But this was Just the next generation expressing themselves. They sound different, they look different.

[Rory]

All to this day are covering different bases of hip hop. Yeah, even, you know, Denzel Curry still with the underground Griselda guys and everything too. Like, they covered their bases on this one. There's been a lot of shitty years with xl, but this one, they. They got right. They knocked this one out the park as far as freshmen. And who was up next?

[Mal]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Rory]

What's your favorite class?

[Mal]

Oh, man.

[Rory]

I love. I love.

[Mal]

09, who was that?

[Rory]

Big Sean Wale, Asher Roth, Corey Guns, Bob Bob, Charles Hamilton Blue, Mickey Facts, Ace hood, currency, kid cudi.09 like, 2007 had some great people on it, but it didn't make a lot of noise. 09 I feel like is when the freshman allure started because they, like, really did a full rollout for that entire thing.

[Damaris]

2011'S tough.

[Rory]

2010 is crazy. Cold Pill, Nipsey Freddie, Big Sean, Wiz, Khalifa, OJ, the Juice, Man, J Rock, Vashon, Donna. Yes, nuts.

[Damaris]

2011, I mean, meek, Big Crit, Sci High. And then for me, I mean Mac, Mac, yg, Lil B, Kendrick.

[Rory]

When do y'all feel like this stopped.

[Damaris]

Mattering shit after 2016?

[Julian]

I feel like it stopped. It stopped mattering to us because we got older. I feel like it matters to the younger generation.

[Rory]

I feel like the younger generation, no offense to xxl, doesn't give a fuck about xxl. We revere Double XL because we grew up on it, but when they went full digital, these kids were on other blogs and other sites like Double XL didn't really capitalize digitally. But I also can't hate here 2017. You have a boogie there. PNB, Rock, Playboi, Carti and Tensacion. Like, those guys are legends in their own right. And I felt in 2017 it didn't matter that much. But clearly they got it right. Yeah, I give them a lot of. But they do get it right.

[Julian]

Yeah. 2018, they got it right too.

[Damaris]

19 is a tough lineup. Tierra Whack, Dababy, Roddy, Rich, Cordae, Rico, Nasty Gunna, Blue Face, Megan Thee, Stallion.

[Julian]

They got it. They get it right every year. I ain't gonna lie.

[Damaris]

But it's also like, they're not taking risks. There's no one new oh, for sure on the list.

[Rory]

They are established people for the most part.

[Damaris]

I mean, 2022, that's a. I think.

[Mal]

It'S like I said that once. Once it went digital, once Double XL went digital. And like, because we used to find out who the freshman cover Was like when we saw that. When I. Or speaking for myself, when I was actually in the store and saw the magazine. Yeah, it wasn't about seeing it on Instagram and things like that. Like, you would actually see it at the newsstand. So I think once that kind of phased out and went straight digital, it kind of lost the allure that it had at one point. But just as far as the list, they do a pretty good job at putting the people in the class that turn out to do some really, really dope things in the culture. So for that, I salute xxl. But I just don't think that it means as much as it did at one point, because the transition from just print to digital's taking over everything. I think they were one of the. The brands that kind of lost some of the law because of the. The transition.

[Rory]

What year did HOV tell Benny not to do it?

[Mal]

Well, Benny was on it.

[Rory]

Was that or advised against it. HOV was saying it just doesn't have the same allure. It doesn't have the same validation. Like, yeah, and you're Benny, you're above a lot of these artists already. And now they're just catching up.

[Mal]

So like 2019.

[Damaris]

2019.

[Mal]

That's right before the pandemic.

[Rory]

Listen, man, they missed Drake in 09, so. Yeah, I still have that. That cover in that whole magazine Drake is in, like in the show improve section or whatever.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Of that freshman cover of like, yo, this guy is a Canadian actor, which is crazy that he is in that. That article, but is not one of the friends at that time. But I don't know. I mean, still a pastime that I love. It's nostalgic. I'm curious what these freestyles would look like even if they do them. I think Mexican OT might clean. Clean up everybody.

[Damaris]

Yeah, he's nice. He really is.

[Rory]

I think people underestimate how. How good he could rap.

[Damaris]

Sidestep. Because I'm just looking at the rest of this cover here. There's a question here in this box are streamers and podcasters running hip hop. Is this like a newer conversation? I feel like this has been had. Or is that. Am I. Because I'm living it. I may be talking about it more.

[Mal]

That might be the. The interview that I did. I. I think I did an interview for the. I think it was double XL for this. That might be it.

[Rory]

Oh, so mall is. Mall is in the class of 2020.

[Julian]

You wanted the freshmans.

[Mal]

No. Damn, you.

[Rory]

You being in the COVID that says not like us. No, but I'm very ironic.

[Mal]

I think I did it.

[Damaris]

That is hilarious.

[Mal]

I think I did the interview. I think that's what it was. It was. The topic was that our streamers and.

[Rory]

Podcasters, I mean, as far as media goes. Yeah. I think that. I don't even think you need to pose that question. But that's also why a lot of print that went digital is just so late to the party. Like, the answer is yes, and it's not even close if they're talking about media.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

I was going to say it's a rather redundant question.

[Julian]

It depends on how they're asking it. Are they asking, are they running the coverage or are they running the actual hip hop, not just the coverage of hip hop, if that makes sense.

[Rory]

I think. I think the real question to pose if they're trying to get ahead of the curve to have a conversation is will streamers permanently replace podcasters in hip hop media? Yeah, that would be the combo to have for the next five years if it's going to shift like that. But yeah, I mean, the answer is yes. Who else would radio.

[Julian]

Would you guys become streamers if. If that's where it moves, you have.

[Rory]

Of course you have to adapt.

[Mal]

I'm not mad at it. I mean, I would want to kind of change the way you stream.

[Julian]

As far as what? Give me an example.

[Mal]

I'm not having a sleepover.

[Rory]

I mean, you won't even have us over for dinner.

[Damaris]

Well, no, I think. I think what Damaris is saying, it's more about. It's less like this studio like this. It's more just about the medium being streaming rather than like us cutting this editing, putting this on YouTube, Patreon, whatever.

[Julian]

Streaming has a lower overhead.

[Rory]

Yeah, for sure. I mean, I think we do stream in our own right with the audience we have when it comes to like Discord Live and the private YouTube links that we put out to Patreon and even like Twitter spaces. I know that's not traditional streaming per se, but it is in the moment media.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So, I mean, of course, if the adjustment had to come where all the audiences no longer want podcasts in this form, where they can listen to it whenever they want, they may want an 8pm every Wednesday night, and then we throw it out the next day. If you have to adapt, you have to adapt.

[Mal]

You definitely have to adapt. But yeah, I'm not against streaming.

[Julian]

Would you guys start, like, let's say I brought that Up Next production meeting we're producing right now. If I bought that Up Next production meeting hey, we're pick a day of the week. We're going to stream everything.

[Rory]

If that Kendrick show wasn't so late, we would have streamed that in these. These seats.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

[Rory]

I mean, and we've done that. I'm always with that.

[Mal]

Looking back.

[Rory]

That's why we didn't do. Why.

[Mal]

Come on, man.

[Damaris]

You don't want to hate in real time.

[Mal]

I wouldn't want to sit here and stream. And it just wasn't. The show wasn't worth that to me. It was okay. It was cool. But.

[Rory]

But I mean, streaming isn't really based on doing it for what is the quality? It's watching it in real time. If it ends up sucking that, you're just streaming some shit that.

[Mal]

Yeah, but ducks. But that's, you know, so we sitting here watching it because we have to watch the show.

[Rory]

Well, that's why a lot of people do like streaming, because it is in real time. And especially if it's something we're all watching together, they feel even more a part of it. The way we used to talk about how podcasting feels like, fans think that this is like their group chat. That's why they like it streaming. Is that on steroids? They feel like they're in the group chat at the real moment of what we're watching. So I get the value of it. It's. It's definitely the next platform, if not already the dominant force of everything, for sure. I just think there's still value in traditional podcasting right now.

[Mal]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

So you just have to find a balance of both. That's all. Voicemails.

[Mal]

You've got mail.

[Damaris]

Yeah, let's do it. I mean, I. I think since we're kind of having these more professional conversations, let's just continue on this voicemail.

[Mal]

Professional voicemail?

[Damaris]

Yeah, it's like more of a work career conversation.

[Mal]

Cool. What's going on, guys, really, with the podcast? I'm gonna keep this short. So basically, and this might be for Rory and Julian, since y'all have, like, worked in entertainment, I guess in the corporate world, but I also do that. I work in A and R at a label. I'm pretty. I'm in a senior position, but I also kind of have my own company on the side. I play bass, I produce. I'm playing bass, like 14 years producing for a long minute too.

[Rory]

And I kind of have a side.

[Mal]

Company where we work on a bunch of different things, you know what I'm saying? Entertainment wise. And just wanted Yalls thoughts on, like, how to best pursue Both because I feel like I'm in a place of best of both worlds where I am employed as an employee, you know, like in the industry, but I'm also working towards my own thing. Obviously there is some conflict between the two. Again, trying to be anonymous. I don't know what would Yalls general game plan be as far as not mudding the waters too much or is that not possible? Appreciate y'all. Thank you.

[Rory]

All right, so what I gathered with him being super vague because obviously there's a conflict of interest of saying what label he works at. It sounds like he's doing the right things though. Like keep your day job as an ANR until you feel like you've major side gig, your full time gig, keep working on that on the side. I guess I don't know what the conflict of interest be if he's also doing A R with his own company and probably choosing that over his day job. But I mean, I feel like usually A RS that do that type of stuff don't work with artists that the label wouldn't have signed to begin with.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

Like they'll bring some bullshit to the major as an A R because they know that's what they want and then they'll work with the shit they're passionate about over here.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

So I would just keep doing what you're doing until the side gig becomes the full time gig. Don't just quit your job if you're not in a financial space that you need to be.

[Damaris]

Well, let me ask you this then because. And I'll get into like my personal experience with this kind of situation in a bit. But if for him, if, say he's a. Is this a matter of him bringing in artists to the label and then also asking them to do work for him? Because I'm thinking, okay, if there's an artist, two artists, one you have for your main gig, or nine to five, the other artists you're working on, that's for the side stuff. But what if like artist A is on the label and also doing side stuff? That's when I think people can like start feeling away. If you have two artists, one's here, one's there, I can see why he can be like, yes, that's fine. Like these are two separate worlds. But when one of these guys starts doing both things, then I think that's when people feel away.

[Rory]

Yeah, he was so vague, so it's tough to really answer.

[Damaris]

I would imagine he's doing that though.

[Rory]

Another angle, when I was at Def Jam, I won't say the gentleman's name. Obviously. He still works in the major label system. He was high up in marketing at one point and he had a photography company and a media company where he was signing checks to himself.

[Damaris]

I know mad people.

[Rory]

He was hiring his side company for Def Jam Artists to work with. And it's not like he was doing work. It's not like anyone was suffering.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

I thought he was smart. I mean, I guess that's insider trading, but he was legitimately signing out checks to his own llc and then he would go be the photographer for the artist or anything else. Like I thought it was smart. But if you can still get away with that. This was more some wild, wild west shit at that time. I don't know. The way they. They count pennies now. Like, budgets aren't the same as they were when I was at.

[Damaris]

I think A and R is more than anyone in the hierarchy of major label positions. Get this off more than anyone. Because I know so many A and R that also manage producers and artists. Yeah. That they literally just turn to the label and be like, hey, we need $5 million. Oh, bet. So not only are you the A the project, but you're also getting your management fee on top of that. And then you're obviously, when it comes time to talk budgets, you're going to be going hard for the budget for the guy that you signed because you know the back end money that you get from that.

[Rory]

I know this guy who has a brother that worked at Roc A fella as an A and R that used to manage producers just Blaze Kanye West. Like, I know that guy. I know his brother too, that, you know, used to do similar things.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Like, that's a class. Yeah, that's a. Literally, it's. It's great. One of the greatest moves you can make.

[Mal]

It happens.

[Rory]

Yeah. Hop was doing what he was supposed to do.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

If I'm an A and R, putting all these albums together and I find a three in house producers.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I'm not also going to manage them.

[Mal]

It makes sense. I mean, I think sometimes you fall into that because you look at it like, yo, I might as well just work.

[Damaris]

I talk to them more than anyone.

[Rory]

Like, there are in house producers. I'm the A R. Yeah. I. I should just be your manager at this point.

[Mal]

Yeah, it happens sometimes it happens like that.

[Rory]

So again, he was vague. So we can't like really answer this specifically, but I would either find a way to merge those in a safe way.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Where you're not going to get fired or do some shady shit with, you know, again, because budgets, they're checking every penny. Don't get yourself fired. But there could be ways to merge. And if there isn't, keep your 9 to 5 until it's time to quit. When you feel like your. Your side gig is the main.

[Damaris]

And if it feels wrong, it might be wrong. Just check yourself throughout this process to make sure that if anyone catches wind of something, that you could at least justify why it makes sense what you're doing. But when I was at Atlantic, I started to feel as if. And it was weird because I would get cool with my artists that were signed to our label, a few in particular. And I thought people looked at me weird because I was getting too close or had developing relationship with someone that they would have rather kept between, say, the project manager. Yeah, it was always like that. It was. I always thought it was, like, petty and, like, ridiculous. I always thought these were, like, benign arguments we would get over. I'm like, why does this matter? We're both working with the same person. We're not boxing you out. I'm just becoming better at my job.

[Rory]

That's corporate in general, not even just the music business. People harbor relationships weird about that entire thing.

[Damaris]

But then at the end of my tenure at Atlantic, when I was getting closer with Dreamville, that's when shit started to get even weirder. And then at that same time, I was doing the pod. Like, just a social at the time.

[Julian]

No, I can understand the POD being a conflict of interest.

[Damaris]

I don't know how, though, working for a label. I get that because I told my D. I told our marketing.

[Mal]

I was like, hey, like, it could be a conflict. Yeah, I could send it on.

[Rory]

How you fucking with Dreamboat? I don't think there's a cop conflict of interest at all.

[Julian]

You run your mouth for a living. No, I don't.

[Rory]

But even when he was doing socials.

[Damaris]

Before, he was on, I was talking at the time.

[Julian]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

There could be a conflict of interest if Maul and I say something negative about somebody from Atlantic and Julian is forced to post.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Us saying something negative about their art.

[Julian]

And you have. And also you. You working for. This is a media company. Literally, it's in the name. So this is a media company and you have access to secrets because you work at a label. There's some shit that they don't want the talking heads knowing they know and everything.

[Rory]

And even though we're not those guys, like, I could see someone at a label going, no, no. You working with anybody?

[Damaris]

No. But this is what made shit. This is.

[Rory]

Even though. Even though Breakfast Club was on retainer with Atlantic, but it's cool.

[Mal]

This is what.

[Damaris]

Yeah, like, come on. That's what I'm talking. And not only that, but this is what made shit funny to me.

[Rory]

Even though Lior Cohen went to Star and said, y'all, I want to do an album. Here's an advance for $1.5 million. Star came back and said, I have some songs. And Lior said, I didn't ask you to do album. Take the money and don't ever speak to me again. You know what that was for?

[Damaris]

We had. We would have artists or whomever come in. They would, you know, they're looking for PR opportunities, album roll outs, all that. And people was known in the building. I wasn't hiding it that I was doing this stuff. It was like, whatever gives a. I'm just posting on socials. And everyone would ignore it in the room. And then I would go back to my office and like a project manager, like some higher, like someone else would knock on the door and be like, hey, so and so is coming into town for, like, we're gonna do like, you know, complexes. This is. Do you think you can, like, ask Rory and Mom, like, why does this need to be, like, so secretive? And at the time I was texting you guys, like, hey, are you guys interested in working with. And you guys would just give me a straight yes or no. But I didn't feel away. I was like, this is great. Like, I'm helping the artists in the building. And not only that, I run the socials. I can help you pick the clip that you want, like, to go out. I was never, like, trying to out or do someone dirty. Yeah, like, it was. I just never understood why it was always like this weird. You double dip. No, that's better for the building. Like, I'm doing this for us.

[Julian]

But kind of a conflict of interest would have come up eventually.

[Rory]

Kind of. Back to XXL's question of our streamers and podcasters running hip hop. These are the first media platforms that I. Of course, some are being bought. Don't get me wrong, this is the first time I feel like the majors have not been in complete control of what the media is saying. Like, they were only focused on Hot 97, Power 105, Power 106, MTV News 106 and Park TRL. Like, they were in control of all. Yeah, they're not in control of some 20 year old kid. That gets a million people a night on his stream and can say anything he wants. So it scares them.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So I can see them being weird. Like, Julian, you can't be like, those are the Ops. Media is not. Media is not our friend. Like, it used to be. We the Ops to majors. Yeah. Unless, like, I mean, we still talk.

[Mal]

To Ops in my life every day online. And you ask, when are we the ops?

[Rory]

They said they wanted to murder Amara because I wanted to hear sing about me.

[Julian]

Damn. Y'all the ops.

[Rory]

That's crazy.

[Mal]

Y'all the ops. Look. Look how fast.

[Damaris]

Just YouTube.

[Mal]

Yeah, just us YouTube also.

[Rory]

Maybe another angle he's getting at here again, because he was vague. He said he played instruments, he played bass for however many years. You're not overstepping your boundaries. If you're working on music with your artists that you A R. That's actually used to be the definition of the gig. Yeah. I mean, now it's more about just like translating lyrics and clearing features. But, yeah, go in there and get your splits. Like, ANRs that actually used to really be involved would get publishing and splits, too. Now it just be ARS that signed somebody that went viral and they're getting splits. But, you know, that's another.

[Mal]

The game has changed that, yo.

[Damaris]

That this system, you guys think it's like they count pennies and they pinch. There's just new ways to get around it. I've known these. The label, they get so many bags that you would. That if the higher ups of the label knew about. They'd be like, this is.

[Rory]

I know Ars that just take no name producers. And the way that, like Ghost producing used to be.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

A RS do that with no name producers. Now they'll get 25 split on a beat that they just found some kid online.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And was like, here, take your other 20. Even though the kid should be getting 50. There's a Rs in the credit. I'm like, you ain't. You just did your job as an A R to connect to people. Right there. That's not pub. What the. You. Why are you in the credits?

[Mal]

Like I said, there's so many ways to skin a horse now, though.

[Julian]

Yeah, you got. Well, you got to get paid somehow. Because the labels being tight with money, firing people every five seconds, like, you got to do what the fuck you got to do.

[Mal]

Make sure you good. Fuck it.

[Damaris]

The thing I never liked about a lot of that, like, we're Rory saying on these poor, like, ghost producers in that system, is you're just abusing you're just taking advantage of someone's, like, desire and you're a dream. Like, their dream is to be in this industry. So if someone from a major comes in, say, hey, I really like this beat. Here's like fucking five. Here's pennies to a song that we know is gonna go crazy. That's always the thing. I never that always.

[Rory]

Or here or here's a promise. Do us a solid on this one. Yeah. On the next.

[Damaris]

The next one. Knowing that you got the. You. This beats going to Cardi B. And no, you won't see a fucking penny from it.

[Rory]

And lying to them, like, you know, I played it. She. She wasn't into it. You didn't even go into that room and play anything.

[Mal]

Yeah, but anybody that fault for that is stupid, though.

[Rory]

I mean, some of these kids are super young and just throwing their beats on YouTube and like, they become hits. And these kids are none the wiser. They're just young and looking for an opportunity and think, this is the way this goes.

[Mal]

It's a cold game, man. This, this music business is so. It's. It's insane. It's insane. But I mean, I'm not mad at what dude is doing. It's a age old trick. People been doing it for years. Like you said, Rory. And I'm pretty sure now it's way easier to do a lot of this than it was before.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

But I mean, good luck though, on your business. Sir.

[Mal]

Sir.

[Damaris]

And I do think the fact that he's calling in and wanted, like, our opinion on this matter means that his heart, like, he's in the right place. He wants to do good on both his company and his own work.

[Mal]

Yeah, he's not trying to.

[Damaris]

I don't think he's trying to anybody over.

[Mal]

No, no, no. He's just like, yo. He just feels like, damn, am I in the wrong here? Like, am I doing some wax?

[Rory]

But that's all like that. If you get into that corporate life for too long and it just becomes a mentality. Like, I've talked about this with Syph before, so I'm not saying anything that he hasn't even said publicly. He got so brainwashed by that Hot 97 logo that he was like, I'm defending something that doesn't care about me. Why am I changing my life? Because I feel like I have to be loyal to Hot 97 when they're kicking me off middays and throwing me back to mornings when I didn't want to do that. Like, I've been here for 20 years. Y'all been here for two years, right? And I'm walking around like, this is my flag. You get in that mentality. I feel like, yeah, especially with labels, too. I felt it when I was at Def Jam. Fuck, what's Def Jam gonna do for me?

[Damaris]

That part.

[Rory]

Throw me on my ass. When something doesn't click, when someone else makes a mistake, they'll blame me and throw me on my ass. Why am I running around with the Def Jam flag? Yeah, it's a mentality when you get in that corporate. That corporate, yeah.

[Julian]

And don't be afraid to step out. It sounds like he's scared. Don't. If you get to the point where you feel like you could make it, pretend that you don't have a job and like you're fighting for your life and step out on your own. I feel like sometimes you get comfortable at a job and you're so. And you know, we're adults, like, we all have bills and shit like that. You're afraid to fall. But if you get to a place where you like, yo, like, I really could, like, do this. This could be my full time job, then quit. You might. You might fall. You'll never know. Like, you'll never. If you can't put. You know, you only have 100% of yourself. If you're giving 40 of it to your day job and you're only given the other 60% to your job, like, what could. If you put 100% into your own company, like, imagine what it could be. So don't be afraid to take that leap and tell them, fuck them and do your own thing.

[Rory]

We got another one.

[Damaris]

Yeah, this is. This is a little lighter.

[Rory]

Hey, y'all. Hope y'all are doing well. It's David from Maryland. Big fan of the pod. I'm in this dilemma where I'm a big fan of hip hop. I love the history of hip hop. That's what I grew up on. It's what I listen to the most currently. And I was in the discord with you guys the other night watching the Pop out, and I was hyped to go into work the next day and talk to it with friends and co workers. But they didn't seem to even really care or they didn't know it was on, which is fine. I'm not mad at them for that. It just really made me realize that, like, I don't have much of an outlet to like, share this interest with. So I don't expect you guys to have an answer for That I just wanted to kind of share that dilemma I'm in right now. But my question to y'all is, have you guys been in that sort of situation where you have a passion or an interest or a hobby, whatever, that you guys might be into at the time, and you don't have, like, anybody to share that interest with or talk to about it?

[Damaris]

I just thought it was very interesting. Thanks for taking this voicemail.

[Julian]

Take it easy. He's so sweet.

[Rory]

Sounds like a nice kid.

[Julian]

He's sweet. Hi, David.

[Damaris]

Good people this. This episode.

[Julian]

Well, David, you have a whole Discord and Patreon community who will love nothing more but to sit there and talk hip hop with you all day. So please, please make sure you're talking to the new Rory and Mall community, because they'll argue and yell about that shit all day with you.

[Damaris]

Patreon.com New roaring mall.

[Rory]

Yes, there's always a community that will argue hip hop with you no matter what. But I've also found, like, the older I've gotten, sometimes it's nice to just have your own hobbies that aren't really for other people. Like, that's just my interest, and I thing that I don't need to share. I could be a nerd about this by myself rather than having to have someone to talk to about it. It's nice to have your own things.

[Damaris]

What's yours? What's your. What are your. What would be your.

[Rory]

Well, I have a podcast, so I literally share thing. That's. I'm. That's why I'm trying to tell y'all it's nice to have things.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah.

[Julian]

But he doesn't have a podcast, so he doesn't talk for a living. So I'm sure he wants to, you know, share it with people. It's the perfect time to make new friends.

[Damaris]

But that's not true. Just because you share something doesn't mean, like, I share all the time with you guys. And you guys make fun of everything I do. So those interests are like.

[Rory]

Your hobbies are like dating apps.

[Damaris]

Oh, I have 14 plants that I take care of at home.

[Rory]

Yeah, but that's for the hose when they come back to the house.

[Mal]

You got how many plants you take care of?

[Damaris]

I have 14, and I'm about to propagate two. I'm about to make 16, hopefully tomorrow.

[Rory]

You about to make the plants?

[Damaris]

No, you know, propagation is you. You take a healthy root and you remove it from a plant and put it in a. It's a soil prop. I mean, I Did a soil propagation. This will be a water one.

[Rory]

Oh, so that's how, like, you get Paisley when she. She's a Maltese and a poodle mix. So you're just doing that with plants. You're making, like, ligers.

[Julian]

No, it's like if he cut Basley's leg off and grew a new basil.

[Mal]

Exactly.

[Julian]

Now there's two bases.

[Rory]

You know how, like, when you cut wor in half?

[Damaris]

So this is. It's really a beautiful process, especially if you do it in the water because you see the roots grow. And then when the roots are long enough and healthy enough, you can plant this into a new pot and soil. But again, I. I'm now talking about it here. But this is stuff that I do on my own that I would never really talk to you guys about because I know better than. It's three letter word, baby.

[Mal]

You know better than. It talks to me about propagating your plants over the weekend. Like, get the.

[Rory]

But again, I like to keep certain things to myself. Like, that's cool. Don't talk to me about that. Which is like. I mean, in a good way. Just do that shit in your crib and enjoy it.

[Mal]

Go find Propagate, Twitter or some shit. I don't know.

[Rory]

I forgot how many years ago when I came in here and admitted that, like, one of my side hobbies is arranging flowers. And, you know, I should have never told you all that. You guys clowned me. I still do it.

[Mal]

We supposed to, but.

[Rory]

Of course. But I could have just kept that to myself.

[Mal]

You should have kept it.

[Damaris]

What's your favorite flower, Rory?

[Rory]

I'm more of a color, color guy. I like to arrange different.

[Damaris]

I thought you don't see color, though.

[Rory]

I don't.

[Mal]

Oh, she like a dog.

[Rory]

Yeah. I can tell by the grays. The hues of the gray.

[Mal]

Got it.

[Rory]

Ball.

[Julian]

Do you have any hobbies that you don't talk to us about?

[Mal]

Yes. A shitload.

[Damaris]

What's her name?

[Mal]

What?

[Damaris]

Huh?

[Julian]

All y'all always ask Pressing Mall about a girl. Like, y'all be in his dick business bad kind of. Right, Mom?

[Mal]

Right.

[Damaris]

What do you think he's gonna say to that?

[Mal]

Right? She only gave me two options. She said, right.

[Rory]

All right.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And first of all, I also agree. Yeah, well, I want to know.

[Mal]

You want to know who I'm sleeping with?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

Thought like. I didn't realize you put a period at the end of the sentence. I thought it was, like, okay, semicolon.

[Mal]

Oh, that was it.

[Rory]

And then you were gonna tell me. Got you okay, yeah, I'll just ask.

[Mal]

The question like you want to know, like.

[Rory]

But to answer this, this very nice gentleman's question, seek out the community the same way Demera said. Specifically our discord and, you know, our listenership loves to debate about hip hop. Like, you can find your community and your tribe when it comes to your weird.

[Mal]

You can literally tweet whatever you're thinking about, and people are going to jump in that look. Got two. Two new people to argue with all night.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And I don't think it's weird. Like, all right, if hip hop is your. Your hobby and talking about it, but you can't find anyone, go to shows. You'll meet people.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You know, people go to shows by themselves and just meet friends.

[Mal]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Rory]

And you're there for a common thing.

[Mal]

Obviously, we all here, we like this artist or we're interested in this artist. So, yeah, go to shows, social medias, everybody's always willing to argue and engage in any type of debate about music and artists and things like that. So, yeah, David, that was a cool voicemail. Appreciate that.

[Julian]

There's nothing worse than talking to somebody about something you're super passionate about, and you're just, like, gushing and super happy, and they look so disinterested. Like, that shit makes your heart just drop.

[Mal]

Disinterested. But it's cool when somebody is disinterested because they don't know, but they're willing to learn what you're talking about. Like, I like that. It's like, you may not know what the fuck I'm talking about right now, but if you're like, yo, I don't know what that is. Like, but tell me more about that. Like, yeah, that type of is cool. Because it's like, okay, this is somebody that has nothing. We talk about House of Dragons.

[Julian]

I'm like, okay, just about to bring that up. Like, how I gush about House of Dragons.

[Mal]

Yeah. Like, I gotta. I gotta start there. Like, okay, you sold that to me, I bet. Boom. Like, I gotta start paying attention to that. So I'm not mad at people not knowing anything about what the I'm saying, but at least be willing to, like, learn about what I'm saying. Okay, cool. Tell me more about it.

[Rory]

Like, when I talk about my passion for B sides, I didn't know my daughter would be murdered because of it. Right. So, like, you know, things you should just keep to yourself.

[Mal]

Exactly.

[Damaris]

Damaris, what's your hobby outside of here that you.

[Julian]

I have a lot of hobby. I mean, I read A lot. But y'all. Don't you read When a girl you like reads. But true not y'all don't read. So I.

[Mal]

There's.

[Julian]

I'm not gonna come out here and talk about books with y'all because y'all.

[Damaris]

Don't you have a book club?

[Rory]

I'm read Gene Barillo's mafia book.

[Mal]

What Murder?

[Rory]

I did not even the audiobook. I read. I bought the book and read it.

[Julian]

How many pages was it?

[Rory]

You know, it was a lot. No, it was a. It's a. It was a real book. It only had like two pictures.

[Mal]

Tons of pages.

[Rory]

Yeah, tons of pages. The font was kind of big, though. I was like, this might be 14 times new moment. Like, they set this up for me, man.

[Julian]

I'm cracking up.

[Rory]

That used to. Yo. When I used to be able to flirt and like was out in these streets, that was always my go to question to a girl. What are you a nerd about? They used to love that question.

[Julian]

What was your favorite answer?

[Rory]

Hopefully me and Rory.

[Julian]

Seriously?

[Mal]

Nice.

[Rory]

No, I wasn't looking for an answer. I. I love asking people that. What are you a nerd about? I'm a nerd, so I like to know what other people are nerds about. I like when people get super excited and passionate about some that isn't for me. I think that's cool to find out about people like what. What really makes them excited.

[Julian]

I'm laughing because one of me and Rory's first conversations that we ever had, we tried to out Drake nerd each other. See, he won.

[Damaris]

That's sick.

[Julian]

He won. He was like, no, not even really a Drake fan. For real. This was like an hour long conversation. We were trying to see who was the bigger Drake nerd.

[Rory]

But I also liked Kendrick. We just didn't get to Kendrick in the combo.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

We should just edit that part out before I get another death threat.

[Mal]

You definitely are. Which means you are.

[Rory]

I used to. I thought the barbs were scary. No, Kendrick's hive is.

[Julian]

Oh, no, they're. Yeah, they're.

[Mal]

They're scared. The llamas. That's what they call. Right?

[Julian]

Yeah, the llamas.

[Mal]

The llamas.

[Damaris]

The big steppers.

[Julian]

No, that's not what they're called, by the way. I just made that up and like it like caught on. But they're not called the llamas.

[Mal]

I don't.

[Rory]

They're called when it cools down a bit. I was going to get into this. This golf thing. You mentioned that before.

[Mal]

Yeah, I definitely want to start Playing golf.

[Rory]

I'm not far from. From a course. I'm really good.

[Damaris]

I'd play with. Pause. I'd play with you, Rory. It'd be fun golfing.

[Mal]

Yeah. Golf is.

[Damaris]

I only get out there, like, three times a year, but it's always amazing.

[Mal]

Well, on the east coast, it's tough unless you travel on the east coast to play golf. But in New York, you only get a couple months of good golf. But, yeah, golf is definitely something I want to pick up, and Belly has been dying to teach me, but I just don't spend enough time on the west coast in California, so. But I definitely want to get into golf.

[Julian]

Yeah, I want to get into tennis. I've been. Me and Alex have been looking at tennis.

[Mal]

Yeah, them knees might be a little too old to start that.

[Julian]

Oh, no, baby, the knees work.

[Mal]

Think about pickleball. Pickleball might be better.

[Julian]

I don't want to do pickleball.

[Mal]

I want to do tennis. I'm telling you something for your health and for your safety.

[Rory]

Are you, like, in these courts like that, like pickleball? No, tennis, like, you know, tennis is.

[Mal]

Way more aggressive on your body than.

[Julian]

Pickleball, and that's fine. I'm okay with that. I want it as a workout, and I want to learn how to do it.

[Mal]

Pickleballs will work.

[Julian]

I can do hard things, Mom.

[Mal]

I'm not saying you can't.

[Julian]

Oh, guys, I'm training. I'm training for a 5k. By the way, I'm running a 5k in August. I signed up, so I'm in the process of training for a 5K.

[Rory]

Somebody tweeted, you know, you're getting old when your friends start training for marathons. Yeah, it's cool.

[Mal]

Good luck.

[Rory]

I'm excited for you. We'll go to the. The finish line.

[Julian]

It's in Rockaway beach, so it's not far.

[Rory]

Oh, great. Yeah, it should be fun.

[Mal]

I'll definitely be at the finish line waiting for you, baby.

[Damaris]

D. Yay.

[Mal]

Okay, I'll be there.

[Julian]

I want to run a half marathon by next summer.

[Rory]

So my. I found this out when I went down to the shore. My God, brother just did, like, the mini iron Man. Like, it's not as far as all the. It's, like, cut in half. It's still swimming, biking, and running. He trained for a while, was very proud of him. They did biking last, and he was making great time, and he took his water bottle and thought he was putting it, like, in the slot and put it in his spokes and flipped. Imagine Swimming mad far. Running mad far. Getting on the bike, like, all right, I can get some energy back. And then you just flip over face first.

[Julian]

Oh, no. Did he get up and like, finish?

[Rory]

He got 15. He still got 15th.

[Julian]

Oh, wow. Yeah, he could have probably won.

[Rory]

Yeah. He was training for real.

[Damaris]

So a half.

[Rory]

But the funny thing is training that hard and then what. What takes you out is just misplacing your water bottle. That's life.

[Mal]

That's mental fatigue.

[Damaris]

A Half Ironman is 1.2 mile swim, a 56 mile bike ride, and a 13 half marathon. 13.1 mile run.

[Rory]

Crazy. Even the mini Iron man is insane.

[Damaris]

70.3 total miles.

[Rory]

Nuts.

[Mal]

I ain't gonna lie. Swimming for a mile, 1.2 miles is crazy.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

What's. What's the real Iron Man?

[Damaris]

Double this. So again, not a math guy, but.

[Rory]

Two miles then, right? I don't know if it's really.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

2.4 miles, 112 mile bike ride and a full marathon. Doing that and then running a full marathon is like. Yeah, that's the. That's the dessert is the full marathon.

[Mal]

And my question is, what are they doing this for?

[Rory]

It's the challenges during strength.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Challenge yourself.

[Rory]

Yeah. Some people, like, when they get older, they need to find things to challenge themselves, get more disciplined, stay healthy.

[Mal]

Riding a bike for 112 miles is.

[Damaris]

I could do that part. That's the only part I'd be able to do.

[Julian]

Yeah, I could probably do that too.

[Damaris]

I can't.

[Mal]

It's the easiest thing to do on the island.

[Damaris]

Swimming straight for a mile is crazy.

[Rory]

Swimming 400 meters is.

[Damaris]

Yeah. A mile.

[Rory]

And they usually do it in the ocean. Like, you're not in a pool. You're swimming against a current. Like with fish.

[Mal]

Yeah, I'm cool. I'm gonna find another way to challenge myself.

[Rory]

Yo, this golf thing's looking high.

[Mal]

Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna find another way. Get the out of here. I'm not swimming no two miles.

[Damaris]

Yeah, a lot of people get hurt. A lot of heat exhaustion.

[Rory]

What a lot of people do is to, like, find themselves. Like, some people just get older and have been spending their whole twenties in an office or like, just doing the same thing every day.

[Mal]

I get.

[Rory]

This is a new way to.

[Mal]

I'm talking. I salute anybody that's able to do some like that.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I'm telling you, who ain't swimming no two miles. Get the out of here. Not me. Not if I have. If I have to now for my life, then I'll do it. But just On a random Sunday, like, yo, we going to go.

[Rory]

They have. They have scuba at the pool that Amara does her swim lessons at. And, like, I saw them one night doing the scuba shit, and I was like, that looks fun and intriguing. And then I really thought about it. Even if I get certified, I'm not going in the fucking ocean with a. With a scuba tank.

[Mal]

Yeah. No, scuba. Scuba diving.

[Rory]

Like, I'd be scuba. I'd be doing scuba in a pool. Like, why did I do this?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Because I'm not going in that place.

[Mal]

Not going in a lake.

[Damaris]

Shout out, scuba Steve.

[Rory]

A lake. Scuba diving on a lake is crazy.

[Julian]

Oh, that. That wild.

[Rory]

You scuba diving? Are you certified? Like, scuba.

[Julian]

He said it's a high school.

[Rory]

Oh, that's cool.

[Julian]

Okay.

[Damaris]

I don't think you can do that. It's too claustrophobic for me.

[Julian]

Anything that requires equipment.

[Damaris]

The mouth. Just, like, knowing that my only oxygen source is this thing that. And then I would get the anxiety that if, like, if my mouth opens or if something get, like, the water gets in, then I'm cooked. Like, it Just the anxiety of that.

[Mal]

If you got a cough.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Like, God, yeah. You sneeze or cough and, like, shit just goes awry. That anxiety.

[Rory]

Sneezing while school divers.

[Damaris]

I don't know, man.

[Mal]

You won't bust your fucking eardrums, man. It's over for you.

[Damaris]

And the cramp. And then that's like, the thing where if you go so low to a certain depth, you have to. What do they call it when you have to, like, slowly breach? You can't just pop up because that's. That's when you. Your head will explode. You need to, like, sit at 20 meters and then go up to 10 meters and wait. Like, your body. You have to slowly breach. It's just too much. I'm good.

[Rory]

My dad is certified in scuba, but that was more for, like, his job. Like, when he was working on boats and longshoreman. Like, yeah, he would legitimately clean, like, the sides of boats. Like, he'd have to put the scuba on.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

But if God wanted me to be up underneath water that long, he'd have made me a fish. He didn't made me a human. Give me legs.

[Mal]

That's like, when I watched that. That. That documentary on. On Netflix. I think it's free dive.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah, that's. That was a popular one.

[Mal]

That shit was crazy. Those are the real gangsters on earth. Niggas that free dive. You know how crazy that is? You dive that deep with no oxygen, it's just. You just pinch your nose. You put something on, Pinch your nose and just dive down so you can't. Can't even see you.

[Rory]

Have you ever seen them, like, come back up?

[Mal]

No, that's crazy.

[Rory]

Have you seen, like, the workouts they do, like, an hour and a half before they go down? Yeah, it's like a whole.

[Mal]

That shit is crazy.

[Rory]

Those, like, a beautiful process.

[Julian]

Yeah. Cool.

[Damaris]

Current world records for free dives. The men, 121 meters, 397ft. Woman, 109 meters, 358ft.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Their breathing exercises, like, look like they're possessed. In the pool. Before that.

[Mal]

No, that. That. That documentary on Netflix was crazy. I couldn't believe people was really doing like this. Just for, like, it. This is what I do.

[Julian]

But I feel the same way about jumping out of a plane.

[Damaris]

Like, I would do that.

[Rory]

I tried to do it once. It was too windy.

[Damaris]

Oh, really? Damn. Yeah, that sucks.

[Rory]

Drove like, an hour and a half to South Jersey, and then they were like, nah.

[Mal]

I mean, look at this.

[Damaris]

That's their only guide is this stupid rope.

[Mal]

No oxygen. Just hold your breath.

[Julian]

That's. Yeah.

[Damaris]

And you know. You know how dark it gets down there.

[Mal]

I'm not doing.

[Damaris]

It is so scary.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

People.

[Julian]

I guess real life is just boring for some people. Like, they don't really deal with that.

[Rory]

They got adrenaline junkie type, which, I mean, not something I would do, but I guess I get it. To see how far you could take the human body. That's how some people operate. Yeah, but I just know what happens.

[Mal]

When you find out you can't take the human body that far.

[Rory]

Well, that's where death comes in.

[Mal]

Yeah, exactly.

[Rory]

I just feel like once scuba tank was invented, I don't know if we really needed the free. Free divers.

[Mal]

That was over with.

[Julian]

Are you guys afraid of death?

[Rory]

No, not really. I mean, I. I'm scared for Amara and my family, but I'm not really scared for myself.

[Julian]

I agree. I'm the same way. Like, if I died today, I would be cool, but, like, I.

[Mal]

You don't have a choice. You wouldn't be cool.

[Damaris]

I would be cool. Hilarious.

[Rory]

You wouldn't.

[Mal]

I would be cool. You be dead. You.

[Julian]

No, but I mean, like, okay, like, let's say higher power or whatever came to be tables like Damaris today your last day. I wouldn't be like, no, no, no, I don't want, like, L.1. I'm like, I bet. But, you know, I would be sad for my family and stuff like that. I will hope that I've given them all the tools to.

[Rory]

You want to ask for like a few more hours to get your affairs in order? Like, just try to reason with death. I got you, bro. I know you're here for me.

[Mal]

Yeah, but let me.

[Rory]

Let me. Let me call Chase.

[Mal]

Yeah, clear my.

[Damaris]

Let me clear my iclouds. Let me wipe my phone. That's a good question. If you wouldn't. If someone said to say the death devil knocks on your door and says you have an hour to live, figure it out. What are you gonna do?

[Rory]

Rory said this kill was a. This was a great episode. This was a classic.

[Damaris]

Not. Not kill people. I'm saying, like, all right, fine. 20 minute. You wiping your phone. Like, what's the.

[Julian]

I don't care about my phone. I stand on everything I ever said or did.

[Rory]

Yeah, my phone, I'm not really that worried of.

[Julian]

I'm cool.

[Damaris]

Yeah, because it was doing you great when you were here.

[Rory]

What do you mean?

[Mal]

I don't know.

[Julian]

I mean, like, it's. I stand out. Everything I said, I did. I don't have anything that I would want to get rid of in my phone that I wouldn't want anybody to see.

[Rory]

I'm only saying that. Cuz when I got this new phone, icloud, like, damn near wiped everything. There's not. There's not much in the last week.

[Mal]

Yeah, that happened with my friend, though, when he passed away. Like, they got his phone and it was just some. It was wild. Like, we found out some wild.

[Rory]

I know.

[Mal]

No, no, no friends.

[Rory]

His parents have passed and they went through their parents phone. I was like, I'm.

[Julian]

I'm cool.

[Mal]

I told him. I was like, yo, I don't even want to know. Which I. But a lot of the homies was like, you know, he was on some, like, weird. Like he was free diving, talking crazy about, like, all of the homies and to, like, girls and like, that. It was just like.

[Julian]

But I mean. But that's his girl.

[Mal]

If you can't talk, not his girl to different girls. Oh, I didn't care, though. Like, what the. It doesn't.

[Julian]

What I'm gonna do.

[Mal]

Yeah, like, what the fool gives a.

[Rory]

He's an angel now.

[Mal]

Exactly.

[Julian]

But anyone died. 20 minutes to live. The crazy is it depends on where I'm at. If I'm at my house, I'm. Clean my house. House.

[Damaris]

Oh, my.

[Julian]

I really would. I would. I would clean my crib.

[Rory]

You even upset Peach with that.

[Mal]

Yeah, like.

[Julian]

No, for real.

[Mal]

Like your house. When you got 20 minutes to live. You're gonna spend vacuuming?

[Julian]

No, but, like, straight, like, dropping dead.

[Damaris]

With the vacuum on.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I might just start the process, take as much DMT as I can and just. Just take myself there.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I would probably go to drugs. That'd be kind of sick.

[Julian]

I would call my parents and tell them, like, call my family, tell them I love them, and make sure anything that I wouldn't want people to see in my house is put away. Tell my sister where it's at, and that's it. Hide the guns, whatever.

[Mal]

The guns. Nobody. You dead. Who gives a fuck? Who cares? You got guns in your house when you dead, I don't want.

[Julian]

You know, some people are not comfortable handling guns, though.

[Mal]

What? Yo, the marriage is crazy.

[Julian]

You think?

[Mal]

20 minutes, yo, go. Go hide the guns. You got 20 minutes to live. You hide the guns.

[Damaris]

Give me the vacuum.

[Mal]

Give me the vacuum. Yo, fuck it. Let me do it. I'll fold the. I'll fold the sheets.

[Rory]

I want to know why you didn't hide them when you were alive.

[Julian]

Yeah, like.

[Mal]

Yeah, they just out.

[Julian]

Like, they just ain't in my house.

[Mal]

They just order on the table, like, okay, that's what's up.

[Julian]

Ain't nobody in my house.

[Mal]

I got 20 minutes to live. I'm a cry. I don't know what the.

[Julian]

Yeah, you know what, Ma? I respect.

[Mal]

I'm crying like a baby. I got 20. I'm like, it's over. This is it.

[Rory]

I feel like I would up the whole, like, speech to everybody. Like, my last words. I'd overthink it.

[Damaris]

Like an ad read.

[Rory]

Yeah, It'd be awful. 20 off your next funeral arrangement, your next life.

[Mal]

3% off your next life. Use cold Rory Mall.

[Damaris]

Like, no, let's do it again.

[Julian]

Damn. 20 minutes up.

[Rory]

What's. What's a little pamphlet you get at funerals?

[Mal]

Obituary.

[Julian]

Obituary.

[Rory]

I thought that was just what, Like. I mean, the obituary is on the pamphlet, but there's other, too.

[Julian]

The what? What is it called? It's not called the Obituary, but I know what you're doing.

[Rory]

The obituary is in that pamphlet, but it is a bunch of other stuff.

[Mal]

Stuff.

[Julian]

Is it called the.

[Damaris]

The program?

[Julian]

Program? Yep, it's called a program.

[Rory]

Calling anything a program at a funeral is hilarious.

[Mal]

Yeah, the program, but isn't the program in the obituary?

[Julian]

No, the obituary.

[Damaris]

The Life summary.

[Julian]

Yeah. Obituary is just Rory. May 7, 1991.

[Rory]

It's not. Okay, May 4.

[Julian]

Oh, you're off here.

[Rory]

And the. The day.

[Julian]

Oh, May 4, 1990.

[Rory]

Actually, no, I'm 91. It's cool. That's my industry age now. But you're younger.

[Julian]

34 or 35, you're still old as.

[Rory]

Doing an industry age for just one year younger is insane.

[Mal]

Your life.

[Rory]

With all that said, Peach might be my call for 20 minutes. I want to put together, like, the best funeral program ever with Peach. That'd be my first call.

[Julian]

Oh, the graphics.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Oh, can we have you in the casket?

[Damaris]

We could just.

[Rory]

20 minutes. What if there was traffic in the cast?

[Mal]

She said, can we Photoshop you in the casket?

[Damaris]

That's when we start live streaming from Rory's funeral.

[Rory]

That'd be cool to just live stream and, like, then I guess just croak.

[Mal]

I did that for one of my friends, you know, because it was in Cali, so we had a lot. I didn't. I didn't go. So we live.

[Rory]

That happened a lot during COVID Yeah.

[Mal]

But that was all you could do during COVID Yeah, which was stupid.

[Rory]

But I mean, listen, I just.

[Julian]

I just asked if y'all were afraid of. If y'all were afraid of death. Y'all said y'all aren't. Well, Rory's not, but me and him are both suicidal.

[Mal]

Afraid of death. No, but I ain't trying to meet that no time soon.

[Rory]

I'll tell you, I'm cool on that.

[Damaris]

Yeah, no, I'm not really. I always said this to my parents. Probably sounds awful. I was like, I'm. Three of my grandparents were gone before I was born. And selfishly, I like that. I can't. I'm bad at grief. I'd rather just not know. It's dark as. But, like, I knew one of my grandparents. When he passed, it crushed me. So if I had to do that three more times, I'm good.

[Julian]

But I mean. I mean, if you do live a.

[Rory]

Long, healthy life, a lot of people are going to die around you.

[Damaris]

Oh, no. I know. That's why to this scenario, not saying I'd kill you, take me now. But, like, I just. I hate grieving. And in this scenario, I would just be the person to go, got you.

[Julian]

That's like, when some people. Like, I never understood that when some. Some people really can't take care of my plants.

[Damaris]

Mom.

[Mal]

No, I got you. I'll take you. But I smoked a motherfucker.

[Rory]

Even. Even. Even a cross breeder.

[Julian]

Yeah, some people really can't handle, like, dark. Like, dark like, it'll, like, granted, dark shit changes you. Like, whatever, but it really turns some people off from ever wanting to feel the good part of that. Feeling again. Like, I know people who have lost a dog, and they say they'll never get another dog because they never want to feel like that. Or people who have gotten their heart broken and they stand on like, yo, I'm never loving again because I never want to feel that. And I'm just like, yeah, I don't. Like, okay, that heartbreak or that grief or whatever might last a year or whatever, but, like, the good part lasted for years. You. You don't want to feel that again. Like. Like you're not optimistic about that part.

[Rory]

Louis CK and Louis has a. A clip that's on YouTube called Love and Heartbreak that's very similar to what Damaris is saying. And they're pointing out that that is the actual beauty of it. Like, it's amazing that we get heartbreak grief. Like, it means that we loved. Like, that's the greatest part of this entire thing.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Is when you don't feel. That is when it's. You know, you're a sociopath. He couldn't wait to get his heart broke again.

[Mal]

He couldn't.

[Rory]

He's like, yeah. The bad part is when you don't care anymore.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Once you don't care, it's like, all right, what the fuck is going on with life then?

[Mal]

Yeah. What's the point of it?

[Rory]

Yeah. YouTube that. Louis CK love and heartbreak scene. One of my favorite shows.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

All right. Newroarimal.com live show tickets are available.

[Rory]

Philly, we will be there July 25th.

[Mal]

City at the City Winery. We'll be in Philadelphia to see the good people down there in Philly. Looking forward to seeing y'all. Tickets available now. Tickets are moving. Merch is available, and new merch will be available soon.

[Julian]

Merch is on sale, guys.

[Rory]

20 off right now. And there will be also new merch at the show.

[Mal]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

So, Philly, we will see you July 25th.

[Mal]

City Winery. Tickets available now at newroarinmal.com and if.

[Rory]

You also live in Detroit, Chicago, London, Toronto, Atlanta, or New York, tickets are available as well. Newroarimal.com all right, well, see you guys at the end of the week.

[Mal]

See you in a couple days. Well, not you. Good. Good. Thank God I won't see Julian again.

[Damaris]

Goodbye.

[Rory]

You have a modeling gig?

[Damaris]

No, my brother is getting married. I will be officiating it and giving a best man speech.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah. I wasn't, like, eavesdropping or. You were telling someone. It was in the office. You were talking loud. Aren't you, like, working through your best man speech? And you have like some really dark jokes that's gonna make.

[Damaris]

It's not a joke. Like my brother is just about like.

[Rory]

A car accident or something.

[Damaris]

Almost like. And I feel like, yeah, so bring.

[Rory]

It up at his wedding.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Because it's like. It makes sense in the whole thing. I don't know. I'll let you know guys know how it goes next week.

[Julian]

Literally gonna drain the energy.

[Rory]

It may crash and burn.

[Damaris]

We're just talking about this Louis shit.

[Mal]

Through.

[Damaris]

Through the dark times come the. It's the whole thing. It's a similar message.

[Mal]

Get it?

[Rory]

Listen, if you start to bomb, just go to the toast.

[Mal]

That's it.

[Damaris]

That's fact.

[Mal]

Raise your glasses, get drunk. We'll talk to you in a couple days. Be safe, be blessed. I'm that he's just ginger. Peace.

[Rory]

Before you leave, here is a snippet from our most recent Patreon episode. You can listen to the full episode by subscribing to patreon.com newroariamall Also, you can get access to our Discord bonus content. Merch first rights to Merch first rights, tickets, everything is there. New episodes every week. It's. It's the greatest multimedia experience that you could think of. Subscribe now. So I'll double down on what I'm saying. I think Jordan Peele made a very shitty low budget version of what scary movie would be.

[Damaris]

I love scary movie.

[Mal]

With what get out.

[Rory]

Yes. And I think the world interpreted as some deep fucking message. And I think when that movie first week hit, Jordan Peele was sitting in his living room like, holy. That's not my intention at all.

[Damaris]

What deep message though? I don't think that movie was supposed to be like, oh my God. I'm so like this is so thought provoking. I just think it was supposed to be just like a easy watch. Just a.

[Rory]

There was a thousand think pieces but like think pieced his way into history. It only became other people.

[Damaris]

It only think piece because of the race at hand. He just flipped the dynamic. Usually it's just white people. You just threw some black people in the mix. But that trope, like that storyline of like the crazy.

[Mal]

We've seen it before. We've seen it.

[Damaris]

That's not like an original. He just put a black guy in the mix.

[Rory]

Outside of Key and Peele, which I think was a great show. Nothing Jordan Peele does with movies is original. I think Jordan Peele stinks as a director. I think he's an amazing sketch writer and is a legend in his own right because I even like Mad tv. I'm one of those weirdos. He is just awful at making movies. His movies stink.

[Damaris]

You did you watch all of them? He did. Us.

[Mal]

I liked us.

[Rory]

The best part of us was that they used like a clips beat in the trailer or some.

[Mal]

That's sick.

[Damaris]

And he did. Nope.

[Mal]

Exactly. I didn't see. No, I.

[Damaris]

With. No, I didn't see.

[Mal]

Nope. That's what you said.

[Damaris]

Exactly.

[Mal]

That's what Kiki Palmer. Kiki. Yeah. No, I didn't. I didn't see. I didn't see. No.

[Damaris]

No.

[Rory]

Waste of the genius that Kiki Palmer is.

[Julian]

She.

[Damaris]

No, she smokes this role. You didn't even see it.

[Rory]

Palmer's extremely talented.

[Damaris]

Did you watch?

[Rory]

No, of course not. You crazy?

[Damaris]

That's hate.

[Rory]

Yo, I watched Get Out.

[Mal]

It's good. That was enough for you.

[Rory]

Think I needed to continue on.

[Mal]

You didn't see us? No, us wasn't bad.

[Rory]

Yes, it was.

[Mal]

No, it wasn't.

[Rory]

I didn't see it, but I know it was.

[Mal]

No, it wasn't.

[Damaris]

Wait, so you're saying you know to movies you haven't seen. You've only seen one.

[Rory]

Confident when it comes to Jordan Peele and criticism. Movies.

[Damaris]

Yeah. You're a damn. That's your Chris Rocket comedy of movies.

[Rory]

It's gonna sound like I'm hating and I kind of am, but.

[Damaris]

You are.

[Rory]

I like Key and Peel. I liked him on Mad tv. I think he's great.

[Damaris]

Damn. That's his.

[Rory]

I laughed at the. The Canoe or whatever that cat movie was. I saw some. Some scenes. They were funny. But when he tries to get in this like serious satire horror bag, it's the biggest piece of it.

[Mal]

You're not with it.

[Rory]

Like, I can smell how bad Nope is from here. I can smell it.

[Damaris]

Nope is good, man.

[Mal]

I gotta watch it. I gotta check. I gotta watch that one. That's the only one I haven't seen.

[Damaris]

And I'm not even like a Jordan Peele. Black stories matter. I'm not even. I'm not that guy on June.

[Mal]

But they're decent. That's what you said.

[Damaris]

What? No, I didn't say that. No, like, it's just the. I just. I hate like the.

[Rory]

Can you like, get the fact sheet of get out and all the records it broke and everything?

[Mal]

He got ammunition. Lucky Rory want more ammunition for hate? Like, yo. Yeah. Get the. Get the accolades.

[Rory]

No, because it has all the accolades. It broke records. It has everything. Yeah, it's the biggest piece of low budget bullshit. Terrible writing. It was shot horribly. It made $156 million. They probably spent 10 million. If that. If that sounds like they maybe spent three, which is. No, that's. That's not hating. That's it, bro.

[Mal]

That sounds like a legend right there.

[Rory]

I'm just saying.

[Damaris]

Lucky as highest grossing debut based on an original screenplay.

[Rory]

You think that movie should have garnered that. That type of sales?

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mal]

I think that it. I think that it definitely changed the way I think movies look now though.

[Damaris]

It eclipsed the Blair Witch Project.

[Rory]

Are the movies stink now.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but that's the thing, Roy. You're looking at someone the film or not. Which. Fine. You can say if the storyline or if the film itself isn't for you. The thing with that. He does though. At least he. It's an original script. We don't see original stories in here. It's all the same. Yeah, it's like Batman and doing this or like all these superhero heroin. Yeah. Like another mission impossible. It's like we're just regurgitating. Just like the stories that we know are successful.

[Mal]

Top Gun 17. This is.

[Damaris]

He's selling a new idea.

[Rory]

What's the. What's the new idea that he's selling.

[Damaris]

A non franchise film. Original screenplay.

[Rory]

That's the only movies that come out.

[Damaris]

You just ignored everything I just said.

[Rory]

Is what am I ignoring?

[Mal]

He's saying that this is an original screenplay. That is the highest grossing original screenplay. Yeah, that is something to be celebrated. Because now all we do is fucking remake fucking movies that we already know.

[Rory]

I think that's unfair to say because even though, yes, that is true. The franchises, they just remake everything. I get it. But to say that there's no original screenplays within the last 10 years that aren't insane.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

To say. And they're.

[Mal]

Yo, who did that? Who did the other movie that he was in?

[Damaris]

Jordan? The actor Kalua.

[Mal]

The Daniel Kaluyas. And oh, yeah, when they was him and the girl, they was on the run.

[Rory]

Oh, who did that?

[Mal]

That movie was dope.

[Rory]

God, what is the name of that shit? It's like both, right?

[Mal]

Queen is Slim.

[Rory]

Queen and Slim was dope.

[Damaris]

Who directed this one? Yeah, good soundtrack too, Melina.

[Rory]

All right, what's better, Queen and Slim or Get Out?

[Mal]

Oh, Queen and Slim.

[Rory]

Original screenplay.

[Damaris]

Right.

[Mal]

But Queen of. No, we know that story. That's the. That's the Bonnie and Clyde thing. Like that whole. We know that story. We know that story. They on a run together. You know, the whole thing.

[Rory]

We didn't know the get out story. I saw that coming from the opening credits.

[Damaris]

Yeah. No, no. As soon as she Came.

[Rory]

That was the most predictable movie ever. The best part of that movie was. Was Lil Rel's, like, phone calls. They were hilarious. And other than that, it was a piece of. It's okay to say that movie stinks, man. It's awful. Everything. The writing's bad. I shot horribly.

[Mal]

I mean, to. To your. To your point. I haven't watched that movie in a very long time. There's not one of the movies I go back to and watch, so.

[Damaris]

Or I really want you to watch.

[Mal]

Nope, that I am gonna watch.

[Rory]

What's. What's this. What's this one about?

[Mal]

Nope.

[Damaris]

It's like alien. Alien.

[Mal]

Ish.

[Damaris]

They're on a. They're on a horror.

[Rory]

They're original ideas.

[Damaris]

Here, a horse breeder. And then there's, like, this. These clouds and this thing that kind of takes over the. The farm. Things start acting weird on the ranch. Then there's. I don't want to spoil too much, but it's. It's.

[Rory]

No, you can spoil it all.

[Damaris]

No, watch it. Yeah, well, no, I don't want to say too much.

[Rory]

Breeder. Clouds and aliens. That was the synopsis.

[Damaris]

All right, well, Kiki Palmer and the. What's his name? I don't know how to pronounce his name.

[Mal]

Daniel Kaluya Kaluuya.

[Damaris]

Our brother and sister. Their dad has this farm ranch. Something happens to him, now they're in charge. They. The. Starts acting up on the ranch. Like, the animals start acting weird, and then there's like, a fairground not too far off from where they are. You saw it, right?

[Mal]

No, I didn't see.

[Damaris]

You haven't seen it.

[Mal]

That's what I just said. That's the only one of his movies I haven't seen.

[Damaris]

I don't. Just watch the movie.

[Rory]

I don't want to smell you.

[Mal]

Listen, you sold it for me, bro.

[Rory]

He sold my point.

[Mal]

No, no, no.

[Rory]

You just. That's you going into it.

[Mal]

Not with George. I get it.

[Rory]

It's okay. No one wanted to admit get out is trash. I'm giving you the confidence. I will stand by you. Everyone, this camera. It's okay to say get out was a piece of. I know that was taboo to say before it was so important to the culture. It's not. It stinks.

[Mal]

Okay, that's fair.

[Damaris]

They're easy to watch.

[Rory]

What did his other movie sell after get out?

[Damaris]

Nope. Did 172 million box office. That sounds good.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

I don't know how my. I'm sure it cost far more than get out did.

[Rory]

Oh, I'm sure they gave him every budget in the world after get out, as he should have. Like look what he did with it.

[Damaris]

Cost 68 to make. Grossed 170.

[Rory]

Yeah, they just 2.3 money.

[Mal]

Yes, they do. And I need some.

[Damaris]

Just imagine. How is that?

[Mal]

Just.

[Damaris]

Here's your. Here's your budget.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

$68 million in movies. I mean, there's more to it then. But just production wise, you're looking at shooting this in at most three months. More, more, more. Most films are shot in two months.

[Mal]

What's the director from Black Panther? What's his name?

[Damaris]

Coogler. Ryan Coogler.

[Mal]

Wasn't it, wasn't. Wasn't he going through something recently with the studio? I think they should say he didn't. He doesn't own the movie or some shit like that.

[Rory]

Did he own Black.

[Mal]

No, it was something. It was something I think that he was fighting with them over a couple like maybe two years ago.

[Rory]

Another confession. Never seen Black Panther.

[Mal]

What?

[Rory]

The original, the one that everyone loves as of recent, I never saw it.

[Julian]

No Warrior. No.

[Rory]

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[Mal]

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[Mal]

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[Rory]

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