Episode 287 | Rap Loses When The Family Feuds

Summary

Podcast Summary: New Rory & MAL – Episode 287 | Rap Loses When The Family Feuds

Introduction and Opening Skit (00:00 – 02:52)

The episode kicks off with Rory and Mal humorously discussing their upcoming live podcast at City Winery in Philadelphia. Rory teases that Mal might break his veganism by ordering a cheesesteak on stage, leading to playful banter about potential onstage mishaps. This light-hearted start transitions into a satirical skit where a fictional character, Joe, announces he's going to shoot his unfaithful partner, setting the tone for the episode's blend of humor and social commentary.

R. Kelly and Music in Prison (02:52 – 05:58)

Rory and Mal delve into the controversial topic of R. Kelly performing music while incarcerated. They critique the ethical dilemma of boycotting R. Kelly if he continues to entertain inmates. Mal humorously suggests extreme reactions, stating, "You have to stab him like he was fucking with kids" (02:40), highlighting the conflicting feelings surrounding R. Kelly's musical talents versus his criminal actions. They discuss the authenticity and acoustics of prison recordings, pondering whether R. Kelly's performances are genuinely influenced by his environment or artificially enhanced by prison facilities.

Greatest Rappers and Family Feud Results (05:58 – 13:23)

The conversation shifts to the recent Family Feud episode where the question, "Who is the greatest rapper of all time?" sparked surprising results. Snoop Dogg topped the list, which Rory finds logical, stating, "I've argued for years that Snoop Dogg is the most famous rapper of all time" (12:01). However, the inclusion of figures like Dr. Dre puzzled the hosts, leading to a critical analysis of Family Feud's polling methods. They argue that the survey likely reflected a California-centric view, questioning the validity of proclaiming certain artists as the greatest without considering broader demographics and delving into statistical biases.

LL Cool J and His Reconciliation with Jay Z (13:23 – 24:32)

Rory and Mal revisit the historical feud between LL Cool J and Jay Z, noting LL's recent interviews where he downplays past tensions. Mal appreciates LL's maturity, saying, "It was good to see LL cool it and laugh at it" (19:31). They discuss LL's enduring impact on hip hop and his ability to maintain relevance through collaborations with artists like Nas and Eminem. The hosts commend LL for his contributions over four decades, emphasizing the importance of respecting legacy artists in the evolving landscape of hip hop.

Personal Life Updates and Social Media Interactions (24:32 – 37:55)

The hosts share personal anecdotes about social interactions, including a missed barbecue invitation and reflections on maintaining friendships. Mal recounts seeing a friend’s house burglarized and the anxiety it induced: "I was like, damn. I was gonna hit him up and be like, yo, listen" (26:14). Rory discusses the impact of social media on personal relationships and public personas, touching on Lupe Fiasco's involvement in Twitter Spaces and its effects on his career. They explore the double-edged nature of platforms like Twitter Spaces, which can amplify voices but also expose individuals to backlash and misinterpretation.

Show Recommendations and Media Critique (37:55 – 56:10)

Rory and Mal recommend various TV shows, highlighting "The Bear" and contrasting it with other popular series like "House of the Dragon" and "Presume Innocent." They discuss the portrayal of violence and character development in media, critiquing unnecessary sexual content in shows like "Euphoria." The conversation extends to favorite characters and actors, with playful debates about the depiction of physical attributes and authenticity in performances.

Reflections on High School and Life Decisions (56:10 – 88:43)

The podcast takes a reflective turn as the hosts ponder the hypothetical scenario of waking up as a high school freshman with adult knowledge. Mal shares, "If I woke up with the same knowledge I have now, I definitely would have been single the entire time through high school" (57:39), emphasizing the value of memories and friendships over romantic relationships. Rory and Damaris discuss regrets and opportunities missed, such as focusing more on academics or extracurricular activities, highlighting the balance between personal growth and real-life experiences. They explore the influence of early decisions on current life paths, stressing the importance of seizing opportunities without dwelling on past choices.

Parenting and Social Circles (88:43 – 114:30)

The hosts discuss their approaches to parenting, particularly in guiding their children’s interests and activities. Mal advocates for exposing children to diverse experiences, saying, "I like, just take him, put him in and see if he gravitates towards it" (125:27), referring to sports like golf. Rory shares his experiences with parenting, including balancing work and family life, and emphasizes the importance of allowing children to explore their interests organically. The conversation also touches on managing social circles and handling invitations to events, showcasing the challenges of maintaining friendships and social obligations.

Political Discussions: President Joe Biden, Trump, Kamala Harris (114:30 – 133:55)

Rory and Mal engage in a heated discussion about U.S. politics, focusing on President Joe Biden’s decision to drop out of the upcoming presidential race. Mal expresses skepticism about Biden's capabilities, stating, "He should not be the President of the United States" (108:28), while Rory grapples with his views on Biden’s age and effectiveness compared to former President Trump. They debate the implications of leadership styles, ageism, and the impact of political decisions on public perception. The conversation highlights the hosts' frustration with political figures and the complexities of voter expectations.

Taylor Swift vs. Scooter Braun and Masters Controversy (133:55 – 145:00)

The podcast delves into the contentious issue of Taylor Swift’s battle to reclaim ownership of her master recordings from Scooter Braun. Rory critiques the label’s handling of the situation, expressing doubt about Taylor's opportunity to buy back her masters: “She was like, I can't” (84:15). Mal questions the transparency of the negotiations, suggesting, "I don't know if she knew, but they probably knew" (84:38). They discuss the broader implications for artists' rights and the music industry's practices regarding master ownership, emphasizing the importance of artist autonomy and fair treatment in contractual agreements.

WNBA and Team USA Performance (145:00 – 158:56)

Rory and Mal review the recent WNBA game featuring Team USA, comparing it to the legendary NBA Dream Team. They express concerns over Team USA’s performance, noting gaps in teamwork and skill compared to historical teams. Mal praises standout players like Arike Ogunbowale, stating, “She's one of the best guards in the league” (148:43), while Rory debates the team’s chances for Olympic gold, forecasting a possible silver finish. The hosts analyze the evolution of international basketball talent and the strategic differences in modern playstyles, offering insights into the dynamic competitiveness of global basketball.

Closing Remarks and Shout-Outs (158:56 – End)

In the final segment, the hosts encourage listeners to attend their live shows in Philadelphia on July 25th at City Winery, urging fans to secure tickets quickly. They share shout-outs to friends and discuss upcoming plans, wrapping up the episode with a mix of humor and camaraderie. The conversation concludes with reflections on personal growth, artistic integrity, and the ongoing challenges within the music and sports industries.

Notable Quotes:

• Mal on Veganism and Cheesesteak: “Nah, that just sounds bad. Definitely not eating a cheesesteak on stage.” (00:16)

• Mal on R. Kelly: “We ain't with him, but if we locked up with R. Kelly... it's like, yo, we ain't fucking with that. And he a piece of shit.” (02:11)

• Rory on Family Feud's Rappers List: “Snoop Dogg is the most famous rapper of all time.” (12:10)

• Mal on LL Cool J: “LL is the first superstar in rap.” (15:28)

• Rory on Twitter Spaces and Lupe Fiasco: “Twitter Spaces during the weekend is lit. ... Lupe Fiasco is one of the sharper minds in our culture.” (57:39)

• Mal on Parenting: “I like, just take him, put him in and see if he gravitates towards it.” (125:27)

• Rory on Biden's Presidency: “He should not be the President of the United States.” (108:28)

• Rory on Taylor Swift's Masters: “It's insane to me... I think she's a victim.” (84:15)

• Mal on WNBA: “She’s one of the best guards in the league.” (148:43)

This episode of New Rory & MAL offers a wide-ranging discussion encompassing music industry controversies, personal life reflections, political opinions, and sports analysis. Through engaging dialogue and candid insights, Rory and Mal provide listeners with a comprehensive look into their perspectives on current events and cultural phenomena.

Transcript

[Rory]

Philadelphia. We will see you on Thursday. This week live podcast at the City Winery. We cannot wait to head down 95.

[Mal]

Can't wait, can't wait.

[Rory]

Mall is going to break his veganism. He's going to have a full cheesesteak on stage.

[Mal]

Nah, that just sounds bad. Definitely not eating a cheesesteak on stage.

[Rory]

And then going right to the bathroom mid show.

[Mal]

Not doing that. But we will be in Philly at the City winery this Thursday, July 25th. Pull up. Let's have some fun. Let's kick it. Hope to see you there. Hey, Joe, where you going with that gun in your. Hey, Joe, I said, where you going with that? Got your hand. I'm going down to shoot my old lady. You know, I caught her messing around with another man. I'm going down to shoot my old lady. You know, I kind of mess around with another man. That ain't too cool. Hey, Jo, I heard you shot your mama down. You shot her down now. Hey, Joe, I heard you shot your lady down. Shot her down in the ground.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Yes, I did. I shot her. You know, I kind of mess around, mess around town.

[Rory]

Are you still boycotting R. Kelly if he's singing in your cell block?

[Mal]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Rory]

But you could boycott a little different if you're in the same cell block.

[Mal]

It's kind of like that.

[Rory]

You can boycott in the showers. For real.

[Mal]

You know that meme with Jay, when he's kind of looking up, rocking his head a little bit, it's like, I ain't with homie. But he out there singing that, ain't he? Like, we ain't with him, but if we locked up with R. Kelly and he just walking around the motherfucking tear, just singing, it's like, yo, we ain't fucking with that. And he a piece of shit.

[Rory]

But that's even more.

[Mal]

He's singing the fuck out of him.

[Rory]

It's more conflicting. Cause we are. We don't listen to R. Kelly anymore for obvious reasons. Yeah, but isn't there also the jail reason? Like, not only can you boycott, don't you have to stab him like he was fucking with kids?

[Mal]

Yeah, so you gotta stab him. You gotta shank em up real good.

[Rory]

That's their version of not listening on Spotify.

[Mal]

Yeah, gotta shank him. Gotta shank him. But thank you.

[Rory]

Was that clip real of R. Kelly singing in jail?

[Mal]

I think that probably was R. Kelly himself, but sweeping up. Yeah, but the audio was definitely. The audio was definitely from an R. Kelly show.

[Rory]

I don't know. I mean, Free TC by Todd Ollison. That album Miracle is, like, one of the greatest songs of the last 20 years.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

His brother sounded amazing with jail acoustics. If you watch the YouTube video of his brother singing that part, they didn't really change much. They didn't, like, mix it. His brother just sounded that good in prison.

[Mal]

But I think it's different because they were in the cell when he recorded that, right? Yeah, but maybe it's in the cell is probably different from being out in the. You know, in the actual, like, you know, on the floor.

[Rory]

I don't know that where he was sweeping up, like, in that, you know, area could have been, like, Radio City Acoustics. You don't know how they shaped that whole cell.

[Mal]

That's true. And then they probably went through. Yeah, they probably knew where to send him. They knew which. Which correctional facility has the best acoustics. So let's send him here. But it is crazy. Imagine being locked up with R. Kelly, though. Obviously, you know, he's a piece of shit, but imagine being locked up with him, like, and just walking past him seeming like, yo, this is R. Cause it's still R. Kelly at the end of the day. No matter, you know, he's in there for. He's, you know, we know what he's in there for, and we know how that's looked in the prison system, what they do to people like that. But this is still essentially one of the greatest artists that we've ever had. So now if I'm locked up with him, I probably had impregnated my lady to one of his records. You know what I'm saying? Like, you just.

[Rory]

You could also impregnate him now that he's in jail to one of his records, See, by prison rules.

[Mal]

Yeah, but we're not. We're in the free world. I don't know if you know that.

[Rory]

Oh, no, I know that.

[Mal]

I know we feel like we in prison sometimes, but this is the free world. We don't gotta think the way an emotional. Yeah, yeah. We don't gotta think the way they thinking it is, man.

[Rory]

I mean, I don't know. Do you think Jeffrey Dahmer was happy that his man's made it? When life's first album came out, he was like, yo, Selly did it.

[Mal]

Yeah, Domo. He probably bought the album.

[Rory]

He probably bought the album with commissary.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah. You got to support that. If I'm locked up with somebody and they go out and become, you know. And I'm like, yeah, n. He used to sing for Us in the. In the cell all the time.

[Rory]

That's how crazy the world is. We just scrolled right past Life Jennings singing Mint Condition to Jeffrey Dahmer.

[Mal]

Yeah, we didn't spend enough time talking about that like that. Think about how crazy that is. Used to serenade one of the biggest serial killers in the history of the United States of America.

[Rory]

Not only serenade him. Took requests like, he was singing your own jukebox. And he was like, yo, you know Pretty Brown Eyes by me Condition.

[Mal]

Well, because I know his. I know what he did in the streets. I know how he gave it up.

[Rory]

How he gave up to Pretty Brown Eyes.

[Mal]

So if he. If he comes in here and he's requesting me to be a jukebox, and I just have to be a jukebox. Right. It's just. It's just simple, man. Follow the rules.

[Rory]

Maybe they couldn't get the song cleared in that. Jeffrey Dahmer. Netflix. It wasn't a documentary, but the scripted series.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, why didn't they play Pretty Brown Eyes while he was frying up that liver with no seasoning. Oh, with a no stick pan. You know that liver stuck to that pan.

[Damaris]

Oh, my God.

[Mal]

You know that Unless you use a little. Some avocado oil, which I don't. I don't take Jeffrey Dahmer as an.

[Rory]

Avocado oil, but I didn't take him as a Mint Condition fan either, so anything is possible.

[Mal]

Yeah, that threw me off. I was like, wait, Jeffrey, I mean, listen, it's a. It's a classic record. It is classic record.

[Damaris]

Do you guys judge Drake Drea Kelly for not changing her last name?

[Rory]

Who?

[Damaris]

Drea Kelly. R. Kelly's ex wife. I was having a conversation over the weekend, and I do. Me personally, but do y'all.

[Mal]

You judge her for not changing it?

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah. Why, sure, I would.

[Mal]

You judged Tina Turner for not changing her last name?

[Damaris]

I think that's a little different because Tina Turner was the star. And.

[Mal]

Well, Ike Turner was. He was a. He wasn't as big a star as Tina, but he was. He was known.

[Damaris]

He was known.

[Mal]

He was a musician.

[Damaris]

Tina Turner was a star in her whole career. Hinge on her being Tina Turner now. If she wanted to change it, whatever. And also, her husband wasn't a. Like, he didn't touch children. He wasn't a pedophile. I think it's a little bit different, as you point out all the time that being a pedophile is the worst crime. So I feel like if your husband is a pedophile, and, like.

[Rory]

And you go in the dock and, like, out him on a bunch of shit. Yeah.

[Damaris]

And you're not.

[Rory]

I guess I never really thought about it, but that is a little odd.

[Mal]

That you still hold on to his last.

[Rory]

Your name in the lower third of the doc is his last name.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

And you're not the star. But she said she was like, that's the only way people find me. Like, people search me by that name.

[Mal]

Who's searching. Who's searching? Ms. Dre Kelly.

[Rory]

And I didn't even know you were talking about when you said Dre.

[Mal]

Yeah. And who. And who are they and what are they searching her for?

[Rory]

Actually was. I was like, dre's real last name is Kelly.

[Damaris]

So she actually goes viral a lot for the dancing that she does. She's a dancer, a professional.

[Rory]

I knew that.

[Damaris]

But she goes viral a lot. But even if you didn't go, like, if. Even if you had changed your name, people. You going viral. People will recognize who you are. You can. You can change your name.

[Rory]

Let's get Damaris in some more trouble. Tina Turner or Tina Marie? Best vocalist.

[Damaris]

I would need. I would need more time for that.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Damaris]

I would need more time for that.

[Rory]

Now she needs more time.

[Damaris]

I would prefer. I would prefer Tina Marie, but I would need more time for that. But that's. That's. That's a bias. That's. I will put my hand up. Yeah, that is an easy bias.

[Rory]

Same. I'd probably lean.

[Damaris]

I was raised on Tina Marie, another white woman who I give credit to, by the way. Let's add her to the list of white women I give credit to.

[Mal]

I didn't say. You didn't give no credit to Ariana. I was just saying that. Cause you said she can't sit with Brandi and Monica, and I'm just like, she just sat with them. And she sat with them because Brandi and Monica trust they hold her at a high regard as well.

[Damaris]

Of course they do.

[Mal]

You know what I mean?

[Damaris]

She deserves to be held at a high regard.

[Mal]

Yeah. That's all I was.

[Damaris]

Did you go and listen to the.

[Mal]

Song after I did.

[Damaris]

You did.

[Mal]

And I thought it was more so gonna be like a rendition of the Boy Is Mine, but it was a whole different complete song, which is.

[Damaris]

That was what I said. That was all I was saying is that I would.

[Mal]

You want them, Brandi and Monica to do their own.

[Damaris]

And now that that happened, I know that they're not going to do their own thing.

[Rory]

Then you fell into the podcast debate. Rabbit hole. That. Yeah, we do. And Peach chopped it up, and now you're hated on the Internet.

[Damaris]

I.

[Rory]

Isn't it great how that works?

[Damaris]

The.

[Rory]

The.

[Damaris]

The. The cycle, the children, the Ariana Grande children.

[Mal]

And I just want to go back to what y'all saying about Tina Turner. Tina Marie. It's not even close. Tina Turner is a way better vocalist than Tina.

[Damaris]

Okay, I'm not. I'm not fighting you.

[Mal]

Like I said, I love Tina Marie, but this is. We talking about Tina Turner here. Just go look at the history of Tina Turner and, like, songs and things like that.

[Rory]

Like, well, we're gonna put together a whole female vocalist competition for Patreon this week, which I'm excited for.

[Mal]

Y'all can't. Y'all can't.

[Rory]

With me just because you was there.

[Damaris]

Oh, no. I want people to bring live performances to back up their picks. Like, you can't just be out here. Like, yeah, she could see better. No, no, no, no, no, no. Bring your life. Bring your best live performance to back up your picks. It's Patreon. We can play the performance.

[Rory]

That's why I love to do this on Patreon. We could play this shit.

[Damaris]

Exactly.

[Rory]

So this should be fun this week to record that.

[Mal]

Oh, no. Listen, I'm. I got my four. I got my four.

[Damaris]

You better hope I don't pick one of them before you do.

[Mal]

Yeah, it's all right. I got somebody coming.

[Rory]

We do the draft that way.

[Mal]

I got somebody coming off the. Don't worry. I got somebody on the bench that y'all not even thinking about.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

Christina Milion.

[Mal]

Yeah, don't do that.

[Rory]

I like Christina. You know, I love Christina Milion.

[Mal]

Don't do that, though. Don't do that. Don't just what I'm just. Because that could be taken some type of way.

[Rory]

Where's Jasmine Sullivan on that? We'll say this.

[Damaris]

You know, that was.

[Mal]

She's somebody first round.

[Rory]

If she doesn't go in the first round.

[Damaris]

Second round pick.

[Mal]

Sure.

[Damaris]

That's my second round. If y'all don't pick.

[Mal]

She's going in the first round.

[Damaris]

That's what I'm saying.

[Mal]

Jasmine Sullivan is the first round.

[Damaris]

I. I don't know.

[Mal]

Pick vocally.

[Rory]

That was.

[Damaris]

It's only.

[Rory]

That'll be like when Savon and Alex didn't draft J. Cole in the first round. Shout out to them. I enjoyed watching that segment and seeing the. The stuff on Instagram, but I was sitting there like, cole, second round.

[Mal]

I mean, but then now you look at this whole Family Feud thing. That's going viral. Yeah. Popular rappers. I mean, we can't play the clip.

[Rory]

But can we at least pull up, like, the final results? So do we need to explain how Family Feud works?

[Mal]

I think no. What I do think we need to do with Family Feud is explain how obviously over the years, Family Feud has obviously leaned into social media for sure, as they should like their questions and their answers. Even Steve is obviously actually prepped to kind of, like, ad lib and go off script a little bit to give it that viral moment. But they did. The most popular rappers, that was the.

[Rory]

Category, I believe it was the greatest rapper of all time was the question.

[Mal]

Who is the greatest rapper of all time?

[Rory]

And how Family Feud works is they poll a bunch of people and then put up the most names.

[Mal]

But this is important.

[Rory]

Families, guess what would be the highest?

[Mal]

But this is important about Family Feud. And we've been saying this for all years. When they say we polled 100 people, who is this? 100 people, y'all know.

[Rory]

But that's why I think stats and data are in general.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like when they poll people and like, oh, these are the results. You pulled, like, 100 random people in a random town and know nothing about. It's like, oh, wait, now, this is.

[Mal]

Facts, because y'all, didn't.

[Rory]

I have this. I have the science to back it up. No, you have 100 in another state that came up.

[Mal]

Y'all didn't poll 100 people in New York City and California.

[Damaris]

No. Hell no.

[Mal]

No way.

[Rory]

And that's all that matters, right?

[Damaris]

Well, I don't know.

[Rory]

When it comes to the South, Texas, the Midwest, it's.

[Mal]

It's New York and it's California. When it comes to.

[Damaris]

No, it looks like they pol. California. I'm not gonna lie to you.

[Mal]

Well, based off this list, yeah.

[Rory]

This is a very California result.

[Mal]

I would say they. They pulled Long beach to be. Exactly. They were in Long beach. They pulled 100 people on. On Sunset Boulevard, to be honest.

[Rory]

Snoop Dogg, we have the graphic of now. That was the one that actually made the most sense to me because I've argued for years that Snoop Dogg is the most famous rapper of all time.

[Mal]

Most famous rapper.

[Rory]

I'm using my words, Snoop.

[Mal]

But if you're saying that this question was who is the greatest rapper of all time?

[Rory]

Okay. But either way, Family Feud is kind of based off the casual fan of anything what they think is the most famous. So Snoop being number one makes a lot of sense to me. But after that, it went off the fucking rails. Jay Z was last.

[Damaris]

It made sense. Like, once we.

[Mal]

Jay Z and 50 was tied with three. Let's talk about that for a second. Okay.

[Damaris]

But the answer started popping up. Me and Peach, like, when we were watching it, once the answer started popping up, I'm like, oh, we can guess who's gonna be next. Sn dog's gonna be number one. Like 50 cents gonna be on here. Because this is most popular with, you know, the majority white people.

[Rory]

MDM3 makes sense. The one that really doesn't make much sense to me at all is Dr. Dre.

[Damaris]

Dr. Dre is very popular, though. He's very.

[Mal]

He's not that, but. And I'm talking about his rap.

[Rory]

Yeah. If somebody was like, even to like, my mom, who's the greatest rapper, she would never pull Dr. Dre out of a hat. She definitely pull up Snoop, Eminem, nobody.

[Mal]

Dre on the greatest rapper.

[Rory]

Listen, Dr. Dre doesn't have Dr. Dre on the greatest. But we know it's not based off that. I'm saying just off popularity, how family feud works. Dr. Dre made no sense to me. Yeah. No, I just don't think that's a name people pull out.

[Mal]

No, it doesn't. And I think that, you know, and we can. I think that they put these names on there because they knew it would cause a uproar. It would cause conversations amongst social media platforms.

[Rory]

I appreciated Steve. Steve being informed with every answer. Was like, yo, I apologize to hip hop.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I don't think so, ma. And the reason why I don't think so is because if that was what they were trying to do, do, what they would have done was put Kendrick and Drake on there and put them in an order that people didn't want.

[Mal]

I think that's too easy. I think that's too easy.

[Damaris]

Honest Poll.

[Rory]

Family Feud wants too easy, though. I'm with Damaris. They. If they were really trying to go for that, I think they would have put Kendrick Lamar at number two.

[Mal]

Yeah, just cause another fire.

[Rory]

Yes. But I mean, it took both families a while to get here, and then they didn't even finish the board. Yeah, they say Nas, Drake, Kendrick.

[Mal]

Yeah. Cuz once I'm saying all these names and none of them's up there. It's like one dude just said, big Z. I don't even know who that is.

[Damaris]

He don't exist.

[Mal]

He just gave up.

[Rory]

He was last in the line. That's how far they got.

[Mal]

Listen, if Drake ain't up there and all these other dudes, I don't Know who? Who Y Got up.

[Rory]

What's funny is Jay Z was already on the board when he said Big Z. Yeah. It's not like he mistaken. He's like, oh, I know it's something Z.

[Mal]

He didn't keep.

[Rory]

He saw Jay Z and was like, well, it's got to be Big Z. Yeah, naturally.

[Mal]

He just was. He just threw in the towel after that. But this list. Snoop Dog man, number one. Okay. Snoop is arguably the greatest. Well, not the greatest. Most famous rapper of all time.

[Rory]

Most recognizable rapper.

[Mal]

Tupac is arguably the greatest rapper of all time. Eminem, some people would say he's the greatest rapper of all time. Dr. Dre, we can agree, is not one of the greatest rappers of all time.

[Rory]

Icon within hip hop.

[Mal]

Oh, if we changing the conversation, then Dr. Dre is absolutely on that list. LL Cool J not mad at him being on anybody's top five rappers of all time.

[Rory]

Never guessed his name either. LL and Dre, it's like, all right. I think to the middle America adult that would participate in this poll would think LL Cool J was like the black guy in swat. Like, I don't know if the people that aren't into hip hop really know LL Cool J's resume when it comes to hip hop.

[Mal]

Well, you gotta remember ll. You gotta remember LL is the first superstar in rap. So if we're talk. If we're polling people in their 50s.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

55 years old, they know who LL Cool J is. Like, when they were probably in high school, LL Cool J was the biggest rapper in the world at that time.

[Rory]

As far as rappers that have been in every single generation, he probably is the most successful and well known, but I think, well, he's probably the regular person. Doesn't put rapping LL Cool J together. I know it sounds crazy, but it's like, oh, yeah. I mean, he kind of rapped.

[Mal]

I mean, he's not probably one of the first names, but LL has crossed four decades.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mal]

Since the 80s.

[Rory]

That's what I'm saying. He's been. He's been in almost every 80s.

[Mal]

I broke it out right now. Yeah. It's like, so he's. He's definitely in that conversation.

[Rory]

I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to be up there. I'm just shocked. He is. Of course LL deserves to be up there.

[Mal]

Got you. Obviously, Biggie number. What's that? Five, six.

[Rory]

Five points?

[Mal]

Six. Five people maybe said biggie. Okay, 50. And Jay, seven and eight.

[Rory]

All right, well, 50 did say in an interview a while ago that when he went overseas, like specifically when he went to Africa, they only knew 50 Cent and Tupac. And there's been other rappers that have talked about going around the world where it's like, all right, they only Knew Wu Tang, 50 Cent, Tupac and Akon. Those were like the four artists that universally around the world are known. So it doesn't shock me too, too much that 50 would be there.

[Mal]

No, 50 is also one of the most popular rappers probably ever as well.

[Damaris]

Who would y'all. Who's not on this list that y'all were thinking? Like, when you realize that what they really mean is most popular rappers in America, who did y'all think would be on there that isn't on there?

[Rory]

Drake, also.

[Damaris]

Yes, Drake, of course. Outside of the obvious, the ones from our generation, because these are all old ass rappers. Like, none of these rappers are.

[Rory]

Yeah, but I guess even to like hip hop heads, when you ask the greatest rapper of all time questions, rarely do you say someone from the newer era.

[Damaris]

Of course.

[Rory]

So I can see why there's no new names.

[Mal]

Well, because when you talk about the greatest rap of all time, you have to talk about somebody that has been around. Yeah, they've been around. They've been around for time. You know what I'm saying? Like, not just a moment. They've been around for some time.

[Rory]

Call me crazy, but I think at least one person would have said Nelly.

[Damaris]

I know, I agree. No, I agree.

[Rory]

He went diamond.

[Damaris]

I agree. I was thinking Ice Cube as well.

[Rory]

Someone said Ice Cube and I was like, that's for sure up there. And Ice Cube wasn't.

[Mal]

I would say I would have Ice cube there before Dr. Dre.

[Damaris]

Same.

[Rory]

Yeah, that would make sense.

[Mal]

I mean, that's just me. But I mean, you know, I also would have.

[Damaris]

I'm, I'm, I am not. I'm surprised that Nikki is not on here some.

[Mal]

I think. Did somebody say Nikki? I think somebody might have said her name.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

It wouldn't shock me though. Um, but yeah, this, this is always fun when hip hop's in jeopardy and Family Feud and you just see, like how other people view hip hop. It's. It's weird.

[Mal]

I saw a clip of LL he was talking about because, you know, he's, he's obviously been doing more interviews, being more visible because he has music coming out. So somebody asked him about his. The long time, I guess, feud with him and Jay and if he has an issue with Jay and he speaks on where it started from and was like, yeah, you know, they sold him Some years ago and, you know, we was rapping and, you know, I just ran out of rhymes. I didn't have a whole bunch of rhymes, just ready to go. And he did. So it was like, okay, if you feel like you won because you have more rhymes.

[Rory]

Didn't he run down on him at like a gas station or like a something. What's the story?

[Mal]

I don't think it was a gas station. They probably was just somewhere and he. They ran into each other. But it was, it was good to see LL because I. That was something that I probably had never heard LL really address and speak to. But he basically said, you know, he put that to bed. Like, we don't have any, any beef. It's not a beef. It's no issues. You know, it just was a, it was a moment years ago where we kind of rapped. It wasn't a battle, but we rapped bars towards each other. And he just had more bars ready to go than I did.

[Rory]

But I don't think LL is as self aware about how sensitive he is. Like outside of, you know, I Need Love in his catalog, his issue with cannabis. I think he gets very sensitive when rappers say one word about him. Like he really gets in his feelings. Cannabis didn't say anything bad on that record and it became a whole beef hov. Just they freestyle back and forth. But we know that isn't this how rap goes?

[Mal]

We know rappers are, well, artists, creatives are sensitive about their art and things like that. But rap is more. Because it's where it originated. Originated from the streets. Just that energy of, you know, somebody coming at me or trying to disrespect me or take my position. I gotta protect this. It's a lot of that with it. And LL is from that. He's one of the originators. He's one of the. Again, he's probably the first rap superstar.

[Rory]

He'll take a muscle bound man and put his face in the sand.

[Mal]

A lot of people don't even. I mean, they can't do that.

[Rory]

That's true. I can't do that.

[Damaris]

I'm for sure. Not me.

[Mal]

But it was, it was, it was good to see LL, you know, dress it and kind of laugh at it and, you know, just put that shit to bed. Like, listen, there's no beef between him and Jay Z. There was a moment we had it. He feels like he won because he still had more bars. It's like, okay, cool. You know what I mean? But it was good to see LL talk about that and that record he got with. Was it Ross and Fat Joe?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Not a bad record.

[Rory]

LL always makes pretty good music.

[Mal]

Yeah, it's not a bad record. I'm not saying I'm waiting for the album.

[Rory]

I mean, Nas is on it.

[Mal]

But I do want to hear it.

[Rory]

Eminem is on it. I forgot who else is on it. There's some good features on there.

[Mal]

It's always good to see it. Like the. The Legacy act still active, though. I know we say that Eminem just put out a project and I do. Like, I like that record with Big Sean and. Was it Big Sean and Baby Baby Tron? I like that record.

[Rory]

You were clowning me when I was rapping the hook.

[Mal]

No, because it's the way you said. It's the way you saying it.

[Rory]

I said it how he said it.

[Mal]

Nah, man. Because you be saying sometimes and it's like, yo, what is that? And then I hear it and I'm.

[Rory]

Like, did Toby Maguire not get bit by a spider?

[Mal]

Yeah, you see me? Yeah.

[Rory]

I was bit by a goat.

[Mal]

I understand it. But when you say it like that, like your cadence and like, I said it the same. Nah, nah, man. You say. You got this thing where you say shit and then I hear it and I'm like, that's not how it went. It doesn't sound anything like he said it sounded. But I do like that record. But the album I'll probably never listen to again.

[Rory]

I just hope that, like, LL is marketed to the people that really can't wait to hear this album. Yeah, I'm cool. Like, I'll listen to it, but I'm not gonna run to it. He shouldn't be doing all the publications that are. The young kids are doing. I mean, it's cool if he does it, but like, going Good Morning America, go gold market.

[Mal]

But I'm not mad at him doing.

[Rory]

Like, certain, go sit with Anderson Cooper.

[Mal]

I mean, I mean. Yes. But I'm also not mad at him sitting at some of the. More. The younger platform to get the cool stories and everything.

[Rory]

Yeah. I just don't know if that'll translate.

[Mal]

Ll, Bro, this is a biggest. This is one of the. He coined the phrase go.

[Rory]

Okay. For sure. Let me rephrase it. Yes. I would love to see LL on the younger platforms just to get some of those LL stories because I hate to be sound like LeBron James, but he's probably an encyclopedia of hip hop. He's seen everything.

[Mal]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

I don't know if that's going to translate into streams the way it would if he does, like, morning shows like Go on Kimmel.

[Mal]

Yeah. But again, I'm not mad at. I'm not mad at him doing these platforms because it gives him a chance to, you know, talk to people that have their finger on the pulse now. And it gives the people that have these, you know, the younger people that have these platforms, it gives them the opportunity to gain knowledge and gain stories and understanding of exactly the things that. I mean, if you don't know, I don't know how you would even have LL on your platform, but to just get an understanding of the things that LL Cool J has. Has accomplished throughout his career and the things that he's done.

[Rory]

And that reminds me, I do. I do need to listen to the LL Cool J Combat Jack interview. It's from nine years ago, but it just reminded me that he did a Combat interview.

[Mal]

Yeah. Like, LL is. As long as we have these type of people around, I think that is great for them to always not oversaturated. But when they do decide to make their rounds and visit platforms, I do think that it is our duty as just fans of the culture to pay attention and to listen and to get those stories. Because, again, this is somebody who's been in the culture and has been contributing to the culture for four decades. Like, that's incredible to still have somebody like that and for him to be in the shape he's in musically, physically, physically, like, he's still. You know what I'm saying? It's like, this is LL Bro. Like, he probably looks better now than he did when he was 20 years old, which is crazy to say so. I mean, somebody like that is somebody that you want to obviously talk to and learn from, because he's done it at the highest level. He's done it probably longer than anybody that's in the game right now. So I think those type of people, you absolutely have to make sure you keep in touch with and keep your, you know, your platforms open to them. Coming by.

[Rory]

Produced entirely by Q Tip. It's good to see the collab albums we never got.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Pete Rock, Common that just came out. Q Tip. Ll, I'm all for it.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Did you do anything this weekend? Should I even bother asking what did.

[Mal]

I do this weekend? No, I feel like I did that. I went out. I went out to a dinner.

[Rory]

Okay. Damaris was in. These streets is always in the streets. Yomi threw a whole barbecue and didn't invite us.

[Mal]

Yomi had a barbecue and didn't invite me. Yomi, you fired. Where am I At Peach. Which one? Yomi, your ass is out of Yomi. Your ass is out. Y had a barbecue. Yomi had a barbecue and didn't tell us.

[Damaris]

Well, to be fair, Yomi lives in Jersey, so you weren't gone. Yeah. You weren't going.

[Mal]

I ain't gonna lie. If yomi invited me, like, to her barbecue at her crib, you would not come. I might have pulled up.

[Rory]

You wouldn't have. But it's cool to say that you.

[Mal]

Were like, I might have pulled up, cuz. It's like, damn, y. Like, you don't. Y'all may never invite me.

[Rory]

Like, it's pretty deep in Jersey, though.

[Mal]

Yeah, I might.

[Rory]

It's not like my crib in Jersey.

[Mal]

I might not have pulled up.

[Rory]

I know you wouldn't.

[Mal]

Y could have FaceTimed me, though.

[Damaris]

It's like, maybe like 20 minutes from Rory's house.

[Mal]

Oh, that's not too bad.

[Rory]

Yeah, but from my crib to your cribs already, like an hour and a half. Yeah, so then add in another 20 minutes. You're not doing a two hour drive.

[Mal]

Yeah, yo, I ain't doing two hours. My bad.

[Rory]

On a Sunday on the way back.

[Mal]

Still got your job.

[Damaris]

Yeah, it was. It was. It was definitely. It was a Sunday. So yesterday, Yomi. So she had hit me on Friday, and she was like, you know, I'm thinking about cooking out on Sunday. And I was like, oh, but. All right, bet. Let me know if you do. She never let me know. So on Sunday, you know, I'm home and my sweats, like, doing my meal prep on the grill. Me and Alex and yomi hit me like, yo, where you at? She sent me a picture of her and Loyon. I'm like, oh, so you cooked out? She's like, yeah, I told you. I was. Miscommunication, whatever. So I'm like, all right, I'm just gonna stop by. I came. I bought her a bottle of.

[Rory]

Loyon lives in Connecticut.

[Damaris]

You said what?

[Rory]

Loyne lives in, like, Connecticut.

[Mal]

Loyon went to yomi's house for a barbecue.

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Mal]

Okay, continue. I'm just.

[Damaris]

Oh, I'm just taking.

[Mal]

I'm just making sure I understand what happened. Yeah, I'm just. Okay.

[Damaris]

He might. He might have been in the. In the area or he just.

[Mal]

Really?

[Damaris]

Yeah, you know, I get there. Let me tell y'all about y'all boy. Loyal, man.

[Mal]

Tell me about loyal. I just spoke to him this morning.

[Damaris]

Loyon is at the cookout saying that he's Dominican.

[Rory]

I mean, listen, we just found out this Year that Mo is Puerto Rican, so anything is possible.

[Damaris]

Is African. He is not Dominican. So then he sent up there. So he.

[Mal]

Africans in the Dominican Republic. But that's.

[Damaris]

But he's. He's fully in character, right? Like, he's, like, really, like, living this.

[Mal]

Why was he saying. Did he think.

[Damaris]

No speaking Spanish.

[Mal]

Did he think Yomi was Dominican doing bachata?

[Damaris]

He. Her girl is Dominican, right?

[Rory]

You know, Dominicans love.

[Damaris]

And there was some. There were some other Dominican women in the building.

[Mal]

Now it's making sense.

[Damaris]

All right, Right.

[Mal]

See, as you give me context of what's going on.

[Damaris]

So somebody requested.

[Mal]

He's a chameleon. He's just adapted to the environment.

[Damaris]

Somebody requested suavament. You know, all.

[Rory]

You should see when he's around Albanian women, how crazy that lies. He gets it off, though. I don't know how he does it.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah, he's a chameleon.

[Damaris]

So Lon goes. He was like, yeah, see, this isn't authentic. Like, you know Dominican music. Like, you know, this is like, the morenas. He pointed at me. The Moreno is like, the morena is like this. I said, loyon, stop fucking.

[Rory]

He would have definitely called me a gringo if I was.

[Mal]

Yeah, 100%. 100%.

[Damaris]

He was fully in his bag. But chata salsa. He was moving. I just enrolled a video.

[Rory]

He packed a hookah correctly.

[Mal]

Correctly is funny, because you could pack a hookah.

[Rory]

Dominican, pack it correctly.

[Mal]

They pack it correctly, though.

[Damaris]

Yeah, definitely.

[Rory]

On the sidewalk with a hookah on the walkout. For sure.

[Damaris]

The sidewalk. Y. Yomi did a good job. The food was good. It was. It was cool. It was good vibes. That's the only thing I did literally all weekend. I stopped by Yomi's house.

[Mal]

So you had a good time? Nobody invited. Did they invite you?

[Damaris]

I asked if it was in New York.

[Rory]

I sort of got an invite. It.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

We were texting about something else, and she was. That. She said, are you in New York? I said, yeah. Then I look at her story, like, two hours later, and I see her doing bachata with Loyon. And I was like, oh, wow. No invite. And they said, oh, it's Yomi's. Then I was like, wow.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I thought maybe this was something I really couldn't go to.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

It was at Yom's crib.

[Mal]

Right?

[Rory]

Oh, that's why I asked you for you in New York. I was like, you gave no context. Maybe I needed to grab something in Jersey. You didn't know.

[Damaris]

I know you. I know you. If you're in New York. You're in New York. You are not coming back. Yeah. You weren't.

[Mal]

I've. I've. I've definitely purposely worked myself into the space where I don't get invited to shit.

[Rory]

Do you ever feel away.

[Mal]

No.

[Rory]

That you don't get invited?

[Mal]

No.

[Rory]

Okay. Because those are the people I. I strongly dislike because I've worked my way into that too. And I don't get offended because people typically know what my answer is going to be.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

So why even waste.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

There are people that work their way into that box.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And then actually get mad like, yo, you never, bro. You don't scroll up. I've invited you to 10 things, five of which you say, yeah, I'll be there. Didn't show up. The other three you said, all right, let me think about it. And then the other two you didn't even reply to.

[Mal]

You talking about me?

[Damaris]

Yeah, actually, no, because you would have like, my shit.

[Rory]

Five of those. You wouldn't have said maybe to.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's a fact.

[Rory]

Maybe two.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's a fact. Yeah. But I mean, I don't know, man. It's certain things that I, you know, Yomi cookout. I ain't gonna lie if it. If. Well, being on a two hour commute is kind of crazy for a cookout, but I would have liked to have an invite, though, just cause it's Yomi, you know, I fuck with Yomi.

[Rory]

Would you have been from Puerto Rico or St. Thomas? Like, what would have been your swag.

[Mal]

Once you feel Lorion is just a different. You know, I've seen Lorian in London. He was. All of a sudden, he was British.

[Rory]

Yeah, for sure.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I was like, yo, I don't even know you. You just came in, you just flew from Africa.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I don't, you know, invite you.

[Rory]

So this is my bloke.

[Damaris]

I was like, this is my bloke.

[Mal]

Please. But y'all had a good time.

[Rory]

We.

[Mal]

Did y'all cook? Because she grill.

[Rory]

She looks like she could cook.

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah, they were. They were grilling. Yeah, Everything looked good. Yeah.

[Mal]

Some ladies in there with some flowers.

[Damaris]

It was some. Some flowers were in.

[Mal]

Flowers scattered around.

[Damaris]

Yes, it was nice. There were only two. There were only three boys there. Hector was there. You guys have met Hector before? You have you guys? He's Eden's from. With the curly hair.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, that's my guy.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I didn't know his name was Hector. My bad.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Hector was there. Loyan and then one other guy.

[Mal]

So it was three and it was, like, how many women?

[Damaris]

Oh, eight.

[Mal]

Oh, okay.

[Rory]

We could have helped with the ratio.

[Mal]

Yeah, we could have balanced it out.

[Damaris]

Could y'all have.

[Mal]

It could have been five guys and eight girls. That sounds like a better party to me.

[Damaris]

I've been waiting for four and a half.

[Rory]

That would have been just, like, the gay bestie trying to help my friends.

[Damaris]

Yeah, we've been waiting for Rory to throw a cookout on his rooftop since he bought the house.

[Mal]

Yeah, it's probably not gonna happen.

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mal]

No, no.

[Rory]

Fourth of July. Did you guys just left?

[Damaris]

No, I was. I stayed there.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah.

[Damaris]

I think I stayed the night. Yeah.

[Rory]

I don't know. The past two weeks, I threw way too many, so I'm done. Cookouts, they were after funerals, you guys.

[Damaris]

Okay. All right, cool.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

When I realized why I don't throw cookouts, after those two cookouts, I was like, this is.

[Mal]

This is why I don't do.

[Rory]

This is why I don't do this.

[Mal]

Yeah. You stuck cleaning up everything, and there's.

[Rory]

Like, two or three people that hang out after, like, yo, you need me to move at this point? Just go home, bro.

[Mal]

Just go home. Just get out.

[Damaris]

Just get the out.

[Mal]

Yeah, just get out. My.

[Rory]

Take a bag down. Down the steps, throw it on the side of the curb.

[Damaris]

So you said you started watching the bear?

[Rory]

I did watch the bear this weekend.

[Damaris]

You watched all three seasons or just.

[Rory]

No, I'm. I'm midway through the second season. I love that show. You would really like it.

[Mal]

I got. I gotta watch it. I definitely got to watch it. I've heard great things about it. And then obviously, you know, I got Chef Jamal. Rest in peace. He was. He held that position at 11 Madison. So I'm definitely gonna make sure I watch it.

[Rory]

It's a really, really good show. And I already had a lot of respect for people that work in kitchens and restaurants and hospitality in general. But that puts a whole new perspective to it.

[Damaris]

Like, oh, it's.

[Rory]

Hell, yeah. It looks chaotic, but, like, sort of fun. If you're into that type of thing. I feel like I would thrive.

[Mal]

You got to be passionate about that type of work. Like, when you talk about working in, you know, a restaurant and chef and all of that thing, you have to. That's something that you have to be passionate about. You have to look forward to. To doing that. If not, you feel that pressure and overwhelmed and anxiety and all these things. Stressed out. It's just not a good combination. But I've heard great things about the show to Bear, who's your favorite character?

[Damaris]

Rory, Your favorite character? Your least favorite character?

[Rory]

The facts are my favorite.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

Those are by far my favorite. Of course, as far as main character goes, I wish John Mulaney was in it more because he's hilarious in season two.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

But I'm definitely gonna go with the facts. And then, I mean, Richie's all over the place, so I. I think Richie might be up there. I hated him in the beginning, but I'm starting to like him now. Carm kind of bothers me a lot, I guess. I get it. You're from a dysfunctional family, but get your shit together. You're actually the most annoying and depressed person in this whole show. Everyone else is a little bit more stable than you are.

[Damaris]

So, like, you don't see yourself in him a little bit.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Okay. I was just wondering.

[Rory]

I tell myself all the time to get it together.

[Damaris]

Okay? I was just wondering.

[Rory]

You're annoying people. Get it together.

[Damaris]

When I was watching the show, I.

[Rory]

Was like, no one cares about your depression.

[Damaris]

When I was watching the show, I was like, oh, it's giving Rory. T's like. It's.

[Rory]

Our mothers are very similar too. I was looking at Kia like, wow, does she remind you of someone? And then when she drove the car into the house, I was like, never mind. My mom never took it that far.

[Mal]

I gotta watch that now.

[Damaris]

Yeah, you. You do.

[Rory]

And how they. They shoot it, it's so quick and chaotic. Like, everything about the show is great. I'm gonna finish season three, and then we can talk about the whole show.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

Because that just came out, right? Season three.

[Damaris]

Yes. So see, you. You now trust my opinions when I tell you to watch things. So you should watch a House of Dragon because I know what you'll like.

[Mal]

Three people this weekend told me to watch House of Dragons. I'm just. I'm. I think I have to give in. I think I just gotta watch it.

[Damaris]

Thank you. Alex did not watch Game of Thrones. She's not a, like, magical fantasy person. And she's addicted. She's at work watching it right now, listening.

[Mal]

No, Game of Thrones is not Game of Thrones.

[Damaris]

She's watching House of the Dragon. She never watched Game of Thrones, but I was like, you. She was like, do I need to watch Game of Thrones to watch House of the Dragon? I said, no, she's watching it at work. She just sent me a picture. Just trust my recommendations.

[Rory]

Let me just try to force us to look at dicks and magic and gay sex.

[Damaris]

You Used to watch Euphoria. It was mad dick and Euphoria.

[Rory]

That is true. Like, unnecessary dick, too.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Like, it didn't even go with the plot. It was dick, you know, which was.

[Rory]

You know, weird, because even, like, unnecessary titties. I'm not mad, but it's like, that didn't fit the plot. Why did you just do that?

[Mal]

Nobody do it with dick then. Nobody has ever said that was an unnecessary title titty.

[Rory]

No, I wasn't upset, but it was like, what was the point of that titty in here?

[Mal]

No, I've never said that. Once I see a titty, I'm like, yo, thanks. I say thank you. Like, at home, by myself, watching tv. Thanks.

[Rory]

What do I owe for this surprise?

[Mal]

Whoa. I needed that. Thank you. Like, you know, I mean, you've never seen something. A titty popped out and then somebody was mad.

[Rory]

All those movies, like those National Lampoon movies that my pop showed me growing up. Like Animal House, Caddyshack. Like, all those.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So many. Just unnecessary titties and bushes. Like, nothing to do with the plot. And then there's just naked women showering, like, next to the golf tee.

[Mal]

Yes.

[Rory]

And you're like, oh, what was that for?

[Mal]

Cause, see, titties are very unique. Everybody has sucked a titty. Not everybody has sucked a dick.

[Rory]

That's pretty factual. Well, some women can't breastfeed, but I.

[Damaris]

See where you're going. Not everyone has sucked a titty Mall.

[Mal]

Who never sucked no titties.

[Rory]

Some women can't breastfeed.

[Damaris]

Plenty of women have never sucked a titty.

[Mal]

Really?

[Damaris]

Yeah. There's some straight women in the world. A lot of women have.

[Mal]

No, I'm saying that you had to breastfeed. Probably breastfeeding.

[Damaris]

Oh, a lot of people weren't. I wasn't breastfed. A lot of people weren't.

[Mal]

You wasn't.

[Rory]

But you suck titties.

[Mal]

No.

[Damaris]

My mother's boobs are way too huge for me to breastfeed. For her to breastfeed me or my.

[Mal]

Sister, her booze was too huge.

[Damaris]

Too big.

[Mal]

That's the thing.

[Rory]

I never knew.

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Mal]

I thought that was more milk.

[Damaris]

That's the thing. No, they were to. Her boobs were too big.

[Rory]

We could tighten those up.

[Damaris]

We wouldn't latch.

[Mal]

A big boob. That's like. It's like. Like a baby going to Costco.

[Rory]

It's like a feast. That's. That's seven fishes, yo. On Christmas.

[Mal]

Yeah. A big boob is like going to BJ's and getting.

[Rory]

That's A Costco get.

[Mal]

You know, you get the unnecessary jaw.

[Rory]

Mayo like that, you're gonna expire by the time you're gonna have that jar.

[Mal]

In your fridge for seven years. Like, nobody's eating that much mayonnaise. You know what I'm saying? Big boob. You can't breastfeed. I've never heard of that.

[Rory]

Yeah. Oh, y'all should have called in your mama's titties to Cheaper by the Dozen. Problem solved. That movie's over before the credits roll. Everyone's happy.

[Mal]

I never knew that a titty is too big to breastfeed.

[Damaris]

It can't. Some. Some kids won't latch because especially depending on, like, the shape of the boob and stuff like that. Because if you have to lift the boob up to feed the child, like, it's. It's a lot.

[Rory]

I could see that being a real.

[Damaris]

Issue because you can't breastfeed your kid down here.

[Mal]

I've seen it. I've seen some mothers hold that baby down. I'm like, what is she. Oh, sorry. You know, the titty was drooping that low down. Yeah. Like, I'm just saying, big titty is for a baby. I think it's like taking the kid to Donnie Park. I don't know. It's like, you kidding me?

[Rory]

Where I'm a sexual predator. That we found out last episode.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Why you bought that back up. We be trying to forget the. That you say, and you just.

[Mal]

We be trying to forget the.

[Rory]

I'm not a politician. I own my. This is part of my history.

[Mal]

Love that about you, man.

[Rory]

I'm. I'm not allowed within 15ft of Dorney Park. Speaking of breastfeeding, though, I was moving around the city with. With Amara. It was nice out. Wasn't too hot, so we're just walking around. Having a stroller, to me is, like, my new favorite thing, because it's. For the first time in my life, I feel like a priority within commuting. Like, the sidewalk really parts for me with a stroller. People hold the elevator for me. People get up out their seats on the train for me. I like, now know what it's like to be on the other side when it comes to commuting. I feel like a woman.

[Damaris]

You found another privilege, huh? One thing about a white man, he gonna find another privilege.

[Rory]

I'm telling you. People stop. Cops will stop traffic for me. It's incredible.

[Mal]

Oh, so that's why white people have their kids in the stroller till they're nine.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Damaris]

Another community, too But I ain't gonna say it.

[Rory]

Listen.

[Mal]

Oh, I know that community very well. We're here, actually.

[Rory]

Loyon's part of it.

[Mal]

That's funny.

[Rory]

I was thinking, though, once Amara is, like, too big for the stroller and can really walk around, I think I might take the stroller that. Where you can't see the baby, and just use it when I walk around the city like no kid inside. Yeah.

[Mal]

Just use it as your. Like your. Your book bag. Yeah. That's smart.

[Damaris]

Going up and down the subway steps with a. A empty stroller is crazy.

[Rory]

No, they have the elevators at certain stops.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Mal]

Taking the elevator on the subway is crazy.

[Rory]

You don't have to. You don't have to pay for the subway cops all the time. Open the door for me. You got it? Don't even. Don't even swipe.

[Mal]

I've seen that a lot. I've seen police do that, as at train stations. Like, if somebody has a stroller, they definitely just let them in.

[Rory]

Pretty. Pretty much. Putting more cops at subway stations is just letting people with kids in for free. Or cops that are on their phone. That's all that it's really added to. Every cop when I walk in a train station is like this, yo, when.

[Damaris]

Cops became so this is why I need yomi. When did cops become so fine? Cops used to be ugly. It used to be an ugly profession. It was one of professions like plumbers, where people are just ugly. You expect that?

[Rory]

Except for movies. Cops are always attractive in movies.

[Damaris]

Yeah, of course. Right, Denzel? But now they all got, like, low cuts, and they all cleaned up beards and everything. I'm like, oh, y'all are trying to.

[Rory]

Like, remember the sniper at Amar's first birthday?

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Detective.

[Damaris]

He didn't say that when we were there.

[Rory]

He doesn't like people to know.

[Mal]

Not want people to know you're a detective is hilarious.

[Rory]

He'd just be making up his. His profession all the time.

[Mal]

But why wouldn't you want people to know Your detective.

[Rory]

I'm sure because he's black, he's gotten a lot of, like, negative looks his way when he just says, I work for the nypd. No, I'm sure it hasn't been, like, the best conversation in the circles that he walks in, like, yeah, I'm a cop.

[Mal]

Yeah, but that's why you need guys that you grew up with that, you know, cool.

[Rory]

That's.

[Mal]

That's what we were debating cops differently. Like, okay, nah, my homeboy's a cop.

[Rory]

Once we scared all the hoes at Amara's birthday party, we were having that conversation of, like. Like, he grew up in Harlem. Like, this is the type of person you would want to be. A cop knows everybody in the neighborhood. Like, this is who. This is good policing, in my opinion.

[Mal]

Absolutely.

[Damaris]

So that's a conversation we can have another day.

[Mal]

What a guy growing up in Harlem becoming a cop and then now patrolling.

[Damaris]

The streets of Harlem Because. Right. No, because in ideals, that sounds like the perfect type of cop. But history has shown that that doesn't always. That's a different conversation. We can get into a different day, but it doesn't always work out like that.

[Rory]

I mean, it could lead to some corruption for sure, because he knows everybody in the neighborhood. But one could also argue at. Specifically in New York, that may have been a safer time when the cops and the criminals were in bed together.

[Damaris]

Yeah, very true.

[Rory]

A much safer time.

[Mal]

What people don't understand about. Because, yes, there's corruption, obviously, and policing and having people in communities that they grew up in. Police. Now police in those communities. The thing about it is people. The cops really don't. When you talk about, like, as far as drugs, right. Police don't really get involved until, like, homicides and shit start happening. You could sell drugs for 30 years in a neighborhood. If there's no crime, no shooting, no killing. Cops ain't tripping. But once that starts, see, that's what fucks the game up. It's like, yo, somebody died. Somebody got killed. Cause now it's like kids are overdosing, obviously, with drugs. With drugs comes other things that comes just as part of it. But if you can keep that shit away from what you're doing in your neighborhood. I know neighborhoods that are notorious to this day. Every cop knows that's a dope block. They're selling a shitload of heroin.

[Rory]

The reason why the cop keeps walking.

[Mal]

They're selling a shitload of heroin on this block. But guess what? There's no shootings over there. There's no killings. There's no deaths. Do what you gotta do.

[Rory]

I think with the drug thing, though, now, like, not to say kids were not addicted to crack or anything like that. I just feel like fentanyl is probably affecting kids much more than any other drug has. I don't have the stats on that.

[Damaris]

It's going off my gut.

[Rory]

So now I'm kind of with cops really cracking down.

[Mal]

Oh, no.

[Rory]

That drug still keep shit safe.

[Mal]

But fentanyl is death for sure. That's like, you know, I mean, like, people are dropping bodies, dropping everywhere. It was something in the Bronx a few months ago. A dude was using his girlfriend's daycare as his drug stash.

[Rory]

Oh, I did see that. That was crazy.

[Mal]

Baby found the fucking fentanyl, I think, like, in the. In under one of the sinks, in the daycare, on the floorboard or something. Got in touch, got in contact with some fentanyl. Baby died. Things like that is unfortunate, but it's also like, why would you even have that type of shit stashed in a daycare? Like, that's instant death. If anybody comes into contact, people don't give a. Yeah, but that's just. That's. That's just being careless. That's being stupid, and you deserve to spend the rest of your life in prison behind a dumb act like that. I don't give a. For sure that that's just somebody that needs to be out of society. If you're willing to do that, that and have that type of drug around children, you deserve to go to jail for the rest of your life. That's just how I feel about that.

[Rory]

Oh, before we get off the cop thing, another thing. My friend was bringing up adamar's birthday party. Cops100go on YouTube, Facebook, the comments, and they piece together crimes because of y'all. So everyone on the Internet saying, listen, man, cops doing their job has nothing to do with the Internet. They are 1000% solving crimes because you guys solve them first.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

Like, confirmed. We all knew that, but I'm telling you, it is confirmed. Yeah, you guys are actually solving murders. I know you guys deny it on Reddit.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Vlad, you too.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

They 100% are solving crimes.

[Mal]

I think people. People, listen, man, if you. If you one of those people that think that the police are not on social media, you're just ignorant.

[Rory]

You think your girl has a Finster? Every detective has one.

[Mal]

Exactly. Like, it's just. This is a whole department set up to just be on social media, be on the Internet, especially when you're talking about hip hop and things like that, with a lot of this drill rap, things like that. Like, detectives now probably have an easier job than they've ever had.

[Damaris]

Yeah, y'all just talk. Everybody talks.

[Mal]

Technology and all. Camera. Everybody literally has a camera in their hand all day, every day. There's cameras everywhere. They're sharing videos everywhere. Being a detective now is almost like working remote. Like, I could sit home and be like, all right, let me go lock this nigga up. Like, you're solving the crime. Like, you're on here. Talking about it. Not only are you talking about it online, you're putting it in your music. Not only you putting in your music, now you on YouTube, putting it in your videos. It's like you look at some of these dudes, they be on high speed chases, and the first thing they do is go on Instagram live.

[Damaris]

Yep. Did y'all see that?

[Rory]

Listen, Trap. Trap. Lord Ross has opened more cases than Olivia Benson.

[Mal]

100%. Without a doubt. Without a doubt. Without a doubt. But that's because it's.

[Rory]

It was a cold case for Trap. Laurel showed up.

[Mal]

But that's because it's. It's. It's right here in front of your face. It's like, here it is. This is what it is.

[Rory]

And. And I'm not really shitting on the people on the intern Internet being. Playing detective. It does speak to how lazy cops can be, though.

[Mal]

Well, cops can't solve something unless people give them true. Some. Some information.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Which is why.

[Rory]

And they can't really use the Internet, but it can lead them to. It could have to find real evidence.

[Mal]

Breadcrumbs. Somebody left a breadcrumb. And it's like, okay, we can go find this person and talk to them now. But cops can't solve many, if not any of these crimes unless they're either on camera or somebody is telling them something. It's just common sense. How. How else is this cop gonna solve this case unless somebody gives them some information or unless somebody has it on camera? They gonna just be like, they're gonna guess it. No, they have to know. They have to talk. They have to prove it in the court of law. They only do that if people are giving them information. That's. That's why when people sit here and be like, yeah, nah, nah, nah, I ain't really tell them nothing. Well, what you mean you ain't really tell them nothing? Nothing. Either you told him something or you didn't. Because the first thing your lawyer tell you if you get arrested. Shut the up. Don't say nothing. Lawyer. Two words. Lawyer. I'm not saying nothing else.

[Rory]

Get Mr. Year.

[Mal]

Yeah, give me. Get Mr. Year on the phone. I'm not talking to y'all.

[Damaris]

And another thing, when people say shut the up, don't tell them nothing. It don't mean lie. Please don't lie. Only thing worse than lying to the law is tell. Only thing worse than telling the truth to the law is lying.

[Mal]

Yeah, once they got you in the lie, that's you. You cooked. They about to spin you around like a Top.

[Rory]

And with the Internet, too. Like, the cops could solve these as easy as you guys do on the Internet. They just don't give a. But the more people that talk about on the Internet is, the more pressure that the city gets on certain things.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Y'all are making. Which I think is actually a good part of the Internet. Put the pressure on the cops to have to solve this. So there's good and bad with that. Speaking of lawyers, though, are you guys on Presume Innocent yet?

[Damaris]

No.

[Mal]

No.

[Damaris]

You gotta text us. We gotta just get a movie chat and just, like, be reminded.

[Rory]

Yeah, you guys need to.

[Mal]

He was telling us about. It's on.

[Rory]

What is that, Apple tv?

[Mal]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Rory]

With Jake Gyllenhaal. Binge that tonight. Because I. I don't think the finale is this week, but it's getting close. But they got renewed for a second season. I thought it was supposed to be one of those limited series. It's not. That show is probably one of the best series this year.

[Damaris]

Okay, I'll check it out.

[Mal]

Presumed Innocent.

[Rory]

Jake Gyllenhaal went crazy. Where is he in. In your actor list? I think he's kind of underrated.

[Damaris]

He is not. Not in mainstream.

[Rory]

Still a star, but I just don't think he gets brought up. Up the way. He's no Chris Rock, but he's definitely up there.

[Mal]

Definitely not a Chris Rock.

[Damaris]

No. For sure.

[Mal]

Yeah, I loved him. And Prisoners with. What's Wolverine's name? He's Wolverine now. I don't.

[Rory]

He's just Wolverine now.

[Mal]

His real name. No more Hugh Jackman. Hugh Jackman. Prisoners. That was a movie that I think was underrated. A lot of people didn't even see that movie. And I was like, bro, this was one of the best movies that was 2013. That was definitely one of the best movies to come out that year. Year.

[Rory]

Jarhead, I think, is super underrated. One of my favorite movies.

[Mal]

You're a big Brokeback Mountain fan.

[Damaris]

I love Brokeback Mountain.

[Rory]

I mean, you're trying to make a joke, but, I mean, what if I am? No, listen, it's a beautiful story.

[Mal]

Listen, I. I'm not mad. If you like Brokeback Mountain, then, you know, listen, binge it.

[Rory]

What a twist.

[Damaris]

What a twist.

[Rory]

I had no idea. Binge it. It's one movie. Binge in a movie is crazy.

[Mal]

What if you.

[Rory]

So watch it in its entirety.

[Damaris]

Watch it.

[Rory]

Just sit down and watch a movie.

[Mal]

But watch it again. Like, as soon as it go off, put it back.

[Rory]

You'll binge that movie.

[Mal]

Southpaw. Was good, too. Yeah.

[Rory]

Southpaw was great.

[Damaris]

So good.

[Mal]

Southpaw was a good movie. Yeah. Jake. Chilling. He's a really good actor.

[Damaris]

That's. That's the. The draft that we should do.

[Mal]

Actors.

[Damaris]

White actors.

[Rory]

Yeah, but with our white vocalists. Yeah. We're really for the culture.

[Mal]

White actors. Like, just by your. Who is your favorite white actors? Like, damn. Like.

[Damaris]

All right, well, who's your favorite white actress? Your favorite white actor? Your favorite white actress. I'm only saying white because this is. Me and Mal and Rory are black and we have, like a different. Our faves are different. So we're all. Not all gonna pick Denzel fucking Will Smith. And favorite white actress, Halle Berry. Yes. Favorite white actress.

[Mal]

Jamie Lee Curtis. I'm thinking about titties again. My bad.

[Rory]

She's in the Bear.

[Mal]

Is she?

[Rory]

Yeah, she plays the crazy ass mom.

[Mal]

I had a crazy.

[Rory]

And smokes the role.

[Mal]

I had a crazy crush on Jamie Lee Curtis as a kid. Really insane crush.

[Damaris]

She was a hottie.

[Rory]

I mean, I came around when Freaky Friday came out, so I didn't really see her.

[Mal]

Yeah, no Jamie Lee Curtis. She was Jamie Lee Curtis.

[Rory]

She was my grandma. The moment I got to the big screen.

[Mal]

Screen, probably Meryl. Meryl Streep.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Mal]

Yeah, I like Meryl Streep. That's probably my favorite white actress.

[Rory]

I typed in white actresses on Google and they have Halle Berry under white actresses. That's.

[Mal]

Yeah, I don't wanna. You have a virus. I don't wanna. Like, it's something wrong.

[Rory]

Too much porn.

[Mal]

Yeah, there's something wrong with you with your laptop.

[Damaris]

I think I'm gonna go. Nicole Kidman.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Damaris]

She just. Nicole Kidman. Like, she just always gives Rich housewife. Like, I just. Nicole Kidman. Reese Witherspoon.

[Rory]

Yeah, Reese is up there. No, Angelina Jolie.

[Damaris]

Oh, shit.

[Mal]

Angelina Jolie would probably be my second.

[Damaris]

I'm so sad. I don't think of Angelina as white. Yeah. Angelina Jolie.

[Mal]

Angelina Jolie.

[Rory]

She's spicy white, but she's white as fuck. But she's spicy white.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

She's so white that she adopts children.

[Mal]

Margo.

[Damaris]

African children. Yeah.

[Mal]

Margot Robbins.

[Damaris]

Margot is.

[Rory]

Oh, she's. She's like the new personal pick.

[Mal]

That's a personal favorite. Yeah, that's of my personal favorite show.

[Rory]

God, she's definitely like freshman cover by.

[Mal]

Herself if Julian's not here. But if he was here, he like, smoke show. White boys say, like, that she's a smoke show.

[Damaris]

Scarlet Johansson is smoke show. Smoke show, definitely. Yeah, she's up there. Sc. Scarlet's up there.

[Rory]

Am I corny for saying Sandra Bullock?

[Mal]

No, no, not corny. She's definitely one of the. She's definitely Julia Roberts. God damn. Nobody said Julia yet.

[Rory]

Julie. I mean, I thought that went without saying.

[Mal]

No, but say it. You should say it. Julia Rob is definitely one of the best white actresses of all time.

[Damaris]

Jessica Lange is like my sneak pick. She's really, really good. I discovered her from American Horror Story. That's how I discovered her. She's good. I like her.

[Mal]

Oh, man. Nobody picked our girl.

[Damaris]

Who? Damn. Anne Hathaway. Damn. Who you think about?

[Mal]

Nah. What's our girl? Another smoke show. What's her name?

[Damaris]

Why are you pointing at peace.

[Mal]

I'm terrible with names.

[Rory]

Keep all this.

[Mal]

Damn.

[Rory]

Because I'd love to see what he lands on.

[Mal]

Don't. Don't tell me.

[Rory]

Okay, we don't. You're giving us a note.

[Mal]

She's one of the. She's one of the.

[Damaris]

Kate Winslet.

[Mal]

No, she's one of the baddest. She's one of the.

[Rory]

He said Pam Anderson.

[Mal]

No, not Pamela. For my favorite movie.

[Rory]

Maggie Smith.

[Mal]

Casino.

[Rory]

Oh, what is. What is.

[Mal]

God damn. I know.

[Rory]

What is Ginger's name?

[Mal]

Yeah, Ginger. It.

[Rory]

She's Gin. She is Ginger, though.

[Mal]

Sharon Stone. Smoke show.

[Rory]

Yeah. Can't go wrong.

[Mal]

Are you kidding me?

[Rory]

We said Natalie Portman already. Or Jody Foster. Sleeper.

[Mal]

Jody Foster. Yeah. Silence of the Lambs alone is like she's forever cemented just from that role.

[Rory]

Outside of Google having Halle Berry on the white actresses list, this is just how sexist the world is. Right? So the first Google search, white actresses, they just give us a bunch of pictures and names. Then after that, it's most beautiful Caucasian actresses. 900 beautiful white actresses. 40 actresses in their 40s that still look beautiful.

[Mal]

That still. That still look beautiful.

[Rory]

The 400 plus most beautiful women in Hollywood. 100. 150 female actresses. Whoa. Switched it up.

[Mal]

Up.

[Rory]

That's the first page. All about their looks, of course.

[Damaris]

How do we not name Rachel McAdams? First of all, I'm sorry. I'm going back. Rachel McAdams is my number one smoke show.

[Mal]

She.

[Damaris]

She beats.

[Rory]

Julian's gonna be so pissed we did this topic.

[Mal]

Oh, my God. That's why I want to keep going. Cuz I know he next episode when he's back.

[Rory]

Let's just do black actresses.

[Mal]

Yeah. Got to naturally get the white ones off. Now, Charlize Theron. Smoke show. Nobody said her yet.

[Damaris]

Damn, y'all ain't say Cameron did.

[Rory]

I never knew. Because she Went to high school with Snoop, and her last name was Diaz, so I never really knew what.

[Mal]

Yeah, like, where we at with her.

[Rory]

She went to Long Beach Poly.

[Damaris]

Stop.

[Rory]

If, like, she's. She's really a.

[Damaris]

She would have survived during the Holocaust. That's a white woman.

[Rory]

Is she. Wait, what? Diaz?

[Mal]

I don't. I'm staying away from.

[Rory]

Was it Anne Frank, Diaz? What you mean she wouldn't survive? What does she have to do with. What does she have to do with the Holocaust?

[Mal]

Crazy. I have no idea.

[Damaris]

Hair, blue eyes. Joke.

[Rory]

Oh, okay, got you.

[Mal]

Did I tell you about the time I really went to, like, the. The house that Anne Frank lived in when I was in Amsterdam?

[Rory]

No, you never told us that.

[Mal]

It was in Holland.

[Rory]

Did you go up to the attic?

[Mal]

Yeah, that was very. That spacious. I got. No. I got claustrophobic standing in that. I'm like, wait, the family was in here?

[Damaris]

The family was in here.

[Mal]

Insane.

[Rory]

I mean, you've never been on the train during rush hour.

[Mal]

Yes.

[Rory]

You know?

[Mal]

Yeah, but I have never lived on a train during rush hour. It's the difference. I get off.

[Rory]

How long were. Were they in the attic? I thought it was just for, like, a while. While the Nazis just went through the town.

[Mal]

I don't know.

[Rory]

I didn't read.

[Mal]

I don't know how long that required reading.

[Rory]

And.

[Mal]

But going. Going to that house and, like, being in that attic, like, just standing in that small space, I was like, bro, this is insane.

[Damaris]

761 days in the secret annex.

[Mal]

That was. It was crazy.

[Rory]

761 days.

[Mal]

Yeah, it was crazy. Crazy being in a small space.

[Rory]

I'm not trying to downplay this, I promise. I'm really asking, because I did not read the. The Diary of Anne Frank. Why couldn't they just go downstairs? Because I guess the Nazis were there for 761 days.

[Mal]

In the. In the town? Yeah, in the neighborhood. Oh, wow. Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah. That's crazy.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Oh, they probably occupied that town. Wow, that's crazy.

[Mal]

It was. It was wild. It was wild. But it was, you know, it was a. I guess, cool to kind of like. Like, see it and stand in the space. But when you really start thinking about it while you're standing there and you looking around like, bro, your family lived in this space. Family. Insane. Insane.

[Rory]

Where do you guys rank? Maul in the Ann Frank attic or Tony Yayo and Nelson Mandela cell? Rory was. Who's above?

[Mal]

Nah, Nelson Mandela cell.

[Damaris]

You know, everything don't need to be ranked. I think that's the POD podcast.

[Mal]

But Ranking. But look what we. Ranking, though. What. What are we.

[Rory]

We just said Complex is our new favorite platform. So we have to do lists. We have to list everything.

[Mal]

Seeing Nelson Mandela's prison cell, though, that would be really. Oh, man, that's as powerful. Might be the word. Just stand in that space and just imagine, you know, what Nelson Mandela was dealing with and going through for those. Was it how many years he spent in prison?

[Rory]

Well, I mean, there's a whole conspiracy. The Mandela effect. It was like 80 years, and then he lived to be like, 140.

[Damaris]

Yeah, 27 years.

[Mal]

27 is. Wow.

[Rory]

What do you do for 27 years?

[Mal]

How doughboy said in Boyd in hood, pump iron, man. Read books. Like, and they're pumping iron. Read books and you know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

I don't. Did they give him books?

[Mal]

Probably not.

[Rory]

I highly.

[Mal]

That was the whole point. He was in jail.

[Rory]

Like, that's why he came out and wrote a bestseller.

[Mal]

This Knows Too Much. My bad. That was a. I shouldn't. My bad. But I mean, I can make.

[Rory]

You know what's funny? Probably he phrased it just like that.

[Damaris]

This knows.

[Mal]

This Knows Too Much. No books for him.

[Rory]

I mean, thank God Matt Damon made a movie about rugby. Anyways, that was a great joke, y'all. It was a really good joke, y'all.

[Mal]

All right, Rory. So our guy, one of our favorite MCs, favorite rappers, Lupe Fiasco, has been making. Making some rumbling, some noise.

[Rory]

I be trying to tell y'all, Twitter Spaces during the weekend is lit.

[Mal]

Twitter Spaces is.

[Rory]

That's where it's at. Nobody goes out and goes to the clubs anymore. They just sit on Twitter Spaces argue and try to ruin people's careers.

[Mal]

I understand. I understand the point of a Twitter space. I understand it. I get it. I just don't understand if it's necessary.

[Rory]

Well, I mean, is anything necessary?

[Mal]

Well, some things are necessary, absolutely. But I just feel like Twitter Spaces is like. It's kind of like the Q and A room for, like, something you've said or done on the Internet for you to explain yourself, which then is clipped and turned into you having to do more explaining of yourself.

[Rory]

Well, I mean, I do like that. That the faceless Avi people. Not to say that it ever reveals your identity, but it does make you have to stand on some of the things that you've said. Like, if you get a lot of traction being anonymous and saying crazy things, everyone gets into Twitter Spaces. The next step for you to move on in your trolling worlds is to go on spaces and. All right, let's hear you at least talk. You can sit all day and come together with these 140 characters that you worked on for a whole week.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

All right, what's up? Let's have the conversation then. And then you end up looking stupid. So I. I like it in that regard. You can still be anonymous, but there's a little bit more of a personality to the tweets when you do that. But I mean, listen, the Internet is ruthless, man. First they knight you, then they're gonna goodnight you. Now all of a sudden, Lupe Fiasco doesn't have a career, has been trashed forever.

[Mal]

I mean, this is why he's not smart. Yeah. I've seen people trying to bring up clips of him at some of his classes at mit.

[Rory]

He' basically logic. I saw that tweet going around.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

That's crazy.

[Mal]

This is Lupe.

[Rory]

What the.

[Mal]

If you don't know about Lupe Fiasco in the history of Lupe Fiasco. And I, you know, I don't know what to tell you, but he's definitely one of the. The sharper minds that we have in our culture when it comes specifically to hip hop. So he's been on Twitter, spaces and talking and things like that and been very vocal about his, I guess, feelings.

[Rory]

I see. It's similar to what I see a lot of people of like, yo, I used to be a big Kweli fan until he got on Twitter. Then I started to dislike him because I got to know him more. That's what I think they've been doing with Lupe this weekend. It's like, all right, so you just want him to shut up. Just shut up and rap so I can have a better image of you. Like, you don't want him to be himself.

[Mal]

Yeah. You don't want him to explain and tell you more about the man that he is and his thinking.

[Rory]

Damn you, Quali. I've never listen to get by anymore. Now that I know I disagree with something. Something.

[Mal]

So you said. So he.

[Damaris]

Well, Twilight. He. He had a little bit more than. What? It wasn't just people.

[Rory]

I don't know. I just know that's how people.

[Damaris]

I was gonna say he was harassing this. This girl on Twitter for like a while.

[Rory]

I vaguely remember that. I didn't look too much into it.

[Damaris]

It's a little. A little different.

[Rory]

But didn't. It wasn't his reasoning that that woman was harassing his family? I don't know all the details. I think he. It was one of Those like, you can't get mad at my response once you do something. Something.

[Mal]

Oh, okay.

[Rory]

I think she had said something that did something. Quality just took it to a whole nother level.

[Mal]

Yeah, when they go. When they go low, we go low.

[Rory]

Yeah, we'll go to hell.

[Mal]

Got you.

[Rory]

But I don't even really want to comment on that because I don't fully know that entire thing, nor have I ever followed Quality on socials. I like him as a rapper and that's where I've drawn the line. I don't know him or read his Think pieces.

[Mal]

So what is. So what is Lupe's. What is p. What are people upset about? About, obviously his stance and his opinions and feelings towards, I guess, Kendrick.

[Rory]

Well, I tried to keep up with it over the weekend. I wasn't really on Twitter like that. But Sunday night and this morning we're recording this Monday morning, I was trying to figure out exactly what the entire conversation was. And this, I feel like, is the first Twitter spaces where the whole seven hours isn't recorded. I could only find, like a few clips that were out of context. And I'm not just going to go based off a bunch of random Twitter comments to say that's what happened. The clips I did see, the main one was like four minutes, and he was discussing that you should have a PhD in hip hop. If you are going to say who belongs in the culture and who doesn't.

[Mal]

You should have a PhD in hip hop. In hip hop, you're going to say.

[Rory]

Which we know doesn't exist. And I think Lupe was trying to suggest to everyone in that Twitter spaces, who the fuck are you to say who can be in the culture and who can't be in the culture? What have you contributed to this culture? What do you know about this culture? Who the fuck are you?

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

I think that's what he would.

[Mal]

I'm not mad at that. That. That thought.

[Rory]

And then I saw a lot of Think Piece tweets that were like, well, the point of hip hop is that people can survive and persevere without having to get a degree from a university. And they suppressed everyone that was in hip hop to go to college. I'm like, I don't think that's what he was getting at.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

I think you're taking this thing piece too literal of what he was saying. Like. Like, you guys can't say who can be in the culture and who can't just because you have a Twitter account. Who are you and what have you contributed to even Make a comment about someone that continually contributes to hip hop, and you're saying they don't belong in here. Who are you? That's what I think. I think Lupe was getting at in that conversation. That's just my point of view.

[Mal]

I think it's just funny, the people that we start to say don't belong in the cultures. Like, do y'all know some of the motherfuckers we let in? Like, you know, the things that they've done? Like, we got some. Me, we got some people. We got some people in the culture already that have been here for some years that we. We ain't going to start with, you know, at the top. Let's start at the bottom. A lot of these that's just walking around, they need to go. But I do understand what Lupe is. Is basically saying, because who are we? Who. If you're gonna say somebody doesn't belong in the culture, first of all, what does that mean? You don't belong here? What does that mean? Because hip hop has always been a culture that has been open. Doesn't matter. Your race doesn't matter. Your gender doesn't matter. Like, it's always been an open space for people to express themselves creatively. It's always been a voice of the inner cities, of the communities. I mean, I don't know, when you say, you know, certain people don't belong, like, what is that? Now, we do know that certain people only take from the culture for sure. And those are the type of people that we should definitely try to lock out and keep out. Because you don't want to just let people in. That's just taking and not giving and helping to elevate the culture. But I don't know if we can just start saying, yo, people don't belong here. Unless they're just taking and fucking weakening the culture and damaging and hurting the culture, then we can have that conversation.

[Rory]

And again, admittedly, I only got a clip of the hours that he was on Spaces. I'm only speaking to that because that's all I could find, and that was recorded. I agree with him because I have said a bunch of times, I'm a guest here, and I think guests need to contribute. I think guests can benefit. I think guests sometimes are liked more than the people that are really there, and that's up. But that's unfortunately how things go. But guests need to contribute, and guests need to understand that they are guests. So I've never said who belongs in the culture of dough. It's not my place to say that. So I feel him. I don't have a quote, unquote, PhD in this culture because I'm not a part or born into this culture. I'm a guest of it. So I don't ever say who belongs and who doesn't. I can say who I like musically and who I don't like musically, that's a different.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's a different conversation.

[Rory]

But to say if someone belongs here.

[Mal]

Or doesn't, that's what I'm saying. What does that mean?

[Rory]

And who is the person that can dictate? That is what Lupe, I think, is trying to get at.

[Mal]

The culture has always been like a cookout. You always invite people to the cookout. People bring things. Yo, bring some ice. Bring some.

[Rory]

And we just talked about how guests don't clean up when I was throwing a cookout.

[Mal]

Exactly.

[Rory]

So I get it. There's a lot of guests that show up, eat, and don't help clean up.

[Mal]

Don't help clean up.

[Rory]

They come empty handed.

[Mal]

They leave with a whole two aluminum bands. You like your fam. You didn't even bring nothing. How you leaving?

[Rory]

They go with a to go plate. Right to rock and roll.

[Mal]

Exactly.

[Rory]

Straight to the rock and roll barbecue.

[Mal]

But, yo, we know where you got that plate from.

[Rory]

From you showed up in a white Iverson jersey and then you went right to rock and roll.

[Damaris]

Oh, that was good. Rory, go. Rory, go. Rory.

[Mal]

What should be. What should be for?

[Rory]

I don't have a beef.

[Mal]

A post. No, no, no. You got a beef with Post Malone.

[Damaris]

White on White.

[Mal]

Because you. Because you've alluded to that a couple times.

[Rory]

I don't have a.

[Mal]

Okay, maybe not a beef.

[Rory]

Okay. I like Post Malone's music. Like, even the recent music I like. I think he is a great pop artist that has a lot of range. But I think everyone would be lying to themselves if Post Malone did not show up, make his bones in hip hop, and then leave hip hop and then shit on hip hop in interviews.

[Mal]

Okay, all right.

[Rory]

Like that, that quote. And listen, we're not all tied to every last thing we've ever said. Post Malone. I would have appreciated if he would have walked back his statements of saying that hip hop doesn't have any feeling. I'm paraphrasing his quote, but it was close to that. That I don't go to hip hop for feeling or lyrics. It's not that I thought that was insane. After you made your career with White Iverson, which was clearly biting from hip hop, and then you moved on to be a pop rock all over the place star.

[Damaris]

Well, to be fair, there's more to his quote than what you're saying. What he said was, if you're looking for lyrics, if you're looking to cry, if you're looking to think about life, don't listen to hip hop. There's great hip hop songs where they talk about life and they spit that real. But right now there's not a lot of people talking about.

[Rory]

And I think that's a extremely. What was this? 2017?

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Rory]

Extremely ignorant quote to music that was out in 2017 and hip hop.

[Damaris]

Okay, but there was a lot of out and there has been out.

[Mal]

There's always been.

[Damaris]

But. But you guys have seen we just.

[Mal]

Hear the more because we have access to the more. Yeah, that's just. Technology has given us access to more. Before you had to kind of like you had to go find also pushed.

[Damaris]

More to these days.

[Mal]

Oh, we. Oh, that's for sure. But that's because the is pushed more these days because you. We can hear. Hear bullshit more these days.

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Mal]

If we couldn't hear more bullshit, we wouldn't even know that it really existed. But just now anybody can upload their music on the same platform that Beyonce can you understand what I'm saying? So it's kind of like you're gonna get the bullshit eventually because I'm here listening to Beyonce, but then I just stumbled upon this fucking trash ass record. It happens. But there was great music out in 2017 that had feeling, that had emotions, that had. That was real. Like that's.

[Rory]

You know that about 2016 being one of the greatest years of years of all time in music.

[Mal]

So.

[Rory]

And I believe even though I do make jokes on this podcast, you guys know I always say you should tread fucking lightly when you're a guest here on how you seriously talk about hip hop, especially when you're benefiting from it. And Post Malone did. And we know where Post Malone was at that cusp in 2017 of becoming a superstar. Every word that you say needs to be calculated. So to come in and even start your sentence with if you're looking for lyrics or looking to cry, don't go to Hip hop is insane to me. So, yeah, I don't have a beef with Post Malone.

[Mal]

You just didn't like that.

[Rory]

I didn't like that knowing how he came into the game. It was hip hop. But I mean, he's an incredible musician. I saw that clip and I saw people saying he's going down the same path as Anyone else? I hope he's okay. Okay.

[Mal]

Yeah. I mean, I hope not. You. You never want people to.

[Rory]

No, of course.

[Mal]

Fall victim.

[Rory]

He's a very talented artist.

[Mal]

Addictions and things like that. Very super talented superstar. I love Post Malone. I think he's dope. Don't like, you know, what he had to say in 2017. But I've said things that people don't like, so I get it.

[Rory]

Asap. Rocky has said some absolute. At the wrong time.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

That he was just. He was getting Geechy and Soho. I don't give a. About black people dying by the police. Our artists have said some absolutely wild.

[Damaris]

That slipping on semen. Like he got a wild track.

[Rory]

I don't know if those are in the same.

[Mal]

Yeah. The marriage student right next to each other. That slipping on semen. I get it. I know that you didn't like that, but I get it.

[Rory]

So, yes, artists have said some bullshit and I think it's unfair to tie every last person to every word that they've said.

[Mal]

Yeah. But I do.

[Rory]

It doesn't mean we forget about it, myself included. I've said some bullshit. Everybody, even if I didn't mean it and I apologize for it, doesn't mean everyone should forget I said it.

[Mal]

You said it. We've all said that is. You know, looking back, it's like, what the was I talking about?

[Rory]

And you want thin ice until we figure out if you re. Are you sorry?

[Mal]

Yeah. What are you. What are you Post, we just need to know what you are. That's all. But.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's all I saw with the Lupe. Everyone says he's a Kendrick hater. Well, which they've said for years.

[Mal]

He's been. He's been. He's had. I think he's wanted to dance with Lupe. I mean, well, Kendrick. Kendrick, Kendrick. Lupe has been wanting to dance with Kendrick for some years and people are saying Kendrick is obviously hasn't responded. Has been ducking that. Ducking that. That collab.

[Rory]

I think Lupe has gotten the Kendrick hater tag for a little too long. Yes, he did make a comment years ago about Kendrick isn't like the greatest with metaphors, but I felt like a lot of us said that he makes a. He's an incredible lyricist, an incredible musician, artist. Everything makes great art. But like his rhyme schemes. He's not a punchline rapper. Like, that's never been Kendrick's thing. And people took that and ran with it with Lupe being a Kendrick hater. Then he went and did that interview with Hot 97, where he told Rosenberg, like, you're on Kendrick's nuts. Which everyone said to Pete, Pete included, yeah, I'm a Kendrick Dick Rider. What do you want from me? That's about it. In that same interview with Hot 97, Lupe said, I was jealous of Kendrick because he had the ecosystem of tde and I didn't have have that. He's around so many talented artists that care about creativity. He was in a circle of new breath, and I was jealous of that. I wish I had that. Anytime I got with a new artist, I said, you should find other rappers that are better than you and just sit in the studio with them. The way they do it at tde, People forget that part of the interview. Same way we may have forgot the second part of that post Malone quote. People forget the second half of that Lupe interview. I don't think he's the Kendrick hater. We make him out.

[Mal]

I don't think he is either. I think obviously, you know, he's. If he has an issue with somebody, I don't think it's a personal thing. I just think he feels like, you know, Lupe is a. He's a hip hop head. He's a rapper, he's an emcee. So if he feels like people are saying, oh, this dude is dope, and he's like, I don't think he's that dope. I don't think that he's wrong for saying that. It's nothing wrong with saying, I don't think this dude is as dope as y'all think he is.

[Rory]

And also, back to the PhD thing. We're talking about Lupe fiasco. I think Lupe's allowed to say who's trash and who's not.

[Mal]

Absolutely Lupe. Yeah, I'm not mad. Listen, I get it. I don't think it's a personal thing. I just think that he just expressed something from his mindset of what hip hop is and what the culture is and what MCing is. And, you know, this is. Again, it's Lupe and he's entitled to that.

[Damaris]

I think it might also be a personal thing mixed in too, I'm sure. I think I'm not. What he is saying has credence, but I do think that there might be a little. A little spice sprinkled in. And I think once somebody. Because you can say something about somebody and once their fans pick it up and label you a hater, you can kind of like become a hater because you're bitter that people have labeled you a hater.

[Rory]

If that's what you guys do to me.

[Damaris]

So now you're gonna stand on your square. So now you're gonna stand on your square even harder. Like. Yeah, now. Now it's that since y'all. You know what I'm saying? Like, I. I think there might be a little bit.

[Rory]

Yeah, if y'all gonna keep saying that, then all right, I'll speak my mind even more then. Yeah, I hate Good Kid Mad City, but this is all I know. As far as the Lupe Kendrick thing, I'm open to being wrong. There could be way more hate that Lupe has spewed about Kendrick that I don't know about. I'm just going based off what I saw. Damaris, I promise I'm not about to make this a Drake Kendrick thing.

[Damaris]

Oh, God.

[Rory]

Just quickly. The other thing I saw Lupe talk about this weekend was that maybe Drake should buy the 1/3 stake in Reasonable Doubt, because Dane did put it up for some sale and over the weekend posted again and said, hey, I'm here for the highest bidder. 1/3 of reasonable doubt right here. And Lupe commented, said, Drake should take that. And then everyone was like, he's not part of the culture. Why would you say that? This and that. I think we have the perfect broker between Drake, Biggs and Jay.

[Damaris]

Do you think that?

[Rory]

I think he's sitting to the left of me.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah.

[Mal]

Think I'm the.

[Rory]

I think you can get that deal done and get your 10%. What do brokers get? Oh, no. Sometimes like 3 or 5%.

[Mal]

No, I mean get you 3%. Listen, man, what dame need. What dame needs to do is sell.

[Damaris]

It back to J.

[Mal]

Is. Is stop trying to sell it, period.

[Damaris]

Well, maybe he needs the money.

[Mal]

M. He doesn't need the money.

[Rory]

No, he's. He's being forced to sell it by the courts. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He owes money in a lawsuit and he did not have the liquid cash, so they're going after his assets. And I. They quoted what that asset was worth.

[Mal]

Listen, based off of things that I know personally, that I know to be true, none of this blog shit in post. This situation could have been resolved a very long time ago.

[Damaris]

We've talked about that, though.

[Mal]

So because of whatever reasons on whoever's behalf, it isn't resolved. I'm just saying, as somebody that just knows, it's just like. Just stop.

[Rory]

Well, I. I don't know, but one plus one can equal two. If there wasn't a beef Biggs And Jay would have just bought Dame's portion. Like it doesn't take an insider to look at that and go, this would have been resolved.

[Mal]

That's why. But that's why I'm.

[Rory]

I think Jay and Biggs have enough money to buy Dame out on that.

[Mal]

But it's not even.

[Rory]

So clearly it's a personal issue. We don't need insiders to see that at all.

[Mal]

Yeah, but it's not, it's not even that. It's. You know, I, I just think that it's just gotten too, too much ego and clearly emotion. You know, I mean, it's just. So when you start to see that, it's just like it's. Now we're at an embarrassing point.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

When you start to see posts about it. And that came up on my feed almost like an ad. And I was like, yeah, I was like, bro, we talking about one of the greatest pieces of hip hop music that we've ever had. And we're treating it like it's just like a pair of like an old jersey that you found in the garage that you just putting on fucking ebay like nobody wins.

[Rory]

It's pride and ego. Yeah, it's just like, bro, but unnecessary pride and ego.

[Mal]

Just stop. You know what I'm saying? Just stop. Bro, there's still, still, there's still time and space to, you know, talk and hash things out and get to a better place and just where we don't have to see this type of happening. Because like I said, now you got people saying, oh well, you should sell it to this person because then it'll be safe. And that shouldn't even be a conversation that's being had.

[Rory]

Well, it's Camon Cam and Mace was the rumor a few months ago.

[Mal]

Yeah, but that's don't need to be a conversation.

[Damaris]

It doesn't.

[Mal]

None of these people need to ever be talking about, yo, you should take that and sell it to that. Don't even we. That shouldn't even be happening because it ain't happening with some of the greatest rock and roll albums of all time. Of course it ain't happening with some of the greatest R B albums of all time. Well, ain't happening with some of the greatest country album.

[Rory]

Well, actually, I think that speaks to how ill Dame J&Big's owning reasonable doubt is. Cuz all those rock albums aren't for sale because the label owns all the masters. The artist could never even sell it.

[Mal]

That speaks, which is why this is more of a unique situation that we need to protect and we need to honor forever and be like, yo, like, no, you own it. He owns it. He owns it. That's it. Let it stop there. Because like you said, a lot of people can't even say that they own those classic albums.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

So that's what. Now it's to a point where it's almost like we treating this like a pair of fake Jordan ones or something. Like, what do we. Yeah, like, you know what I'm saying? This is on you. Don't put it on Goat Next or StockX. Where's this going next? That and that. But that's what. So that's how I'm looking at it. It's like, where's this thing going next? Like, what happens next?

[Rory]

So in conclusion, you won't broker the deal between Drake and Biggs.

[Mal]

Absolutely not. I won't be a part.

[Rory]

Be a good percentage man.

[Mal]

Won't be no brokering happening.

[Rory]

You'd make a good real estate agent.

[Mal]

Probably. But yeah, it won't be. No, I don't think it'll ever be sold. I think it'll belong. It'll stay with who it belongs with.

[Rory]

I did get around. This just reminded me I did get around to watching The Taylor Swift vs Scooter Braun documentary where one episode is Taylor side, the other is Scooter side. How scared are we? I know you just got it from Ariana Grande fans. Taylor Swift might be full of shit, man.

[Mal]

As far as what?

[Rory]

Oh, I was on her side that first episode because, you know, Scooter bought her masters.

[Mal]

Yep.

[Rory]

And that was the whole thing. She was re recording everything. We covered it for years. So this documentary, which I want to say is on Apple tv, I could be wrong again. First half is Taylor side. Second half is Scooter side. Once we got into Scooter side and the gentleman, I think Scott something that owned the label, that owned Taylor's masters, he flat out showed that he told Taylor you could buy your masters back, and she ignored it. And then Scooter was like, wait, they're available? Bet. Why wouldn't I buy those? I don't really know who the bad guy is in this. And I think it might be another term of Taylor playing victim.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

See you. Look at you. Nervous.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I'm terrified. I ain't with no Sailor Swift fans. They already were on my ass before. I'm good.

[Mal]

Word of Swifties. Got you.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I made a tick tock when? When Taylor beat out SZA for album of the year at the Grammys. Oh, talk about it so I mean.

[Mal]

You got to take that, you got to get. Take that.

[Damaris]

L. Take that on the chin.

[Mal]

Yeah, it's all good, I guess if.

[Rory]

It depends if you believe the owner of the label or Taylor. But it seemed when I saw both sides objectively, I have no dog in this race. I don't care about Scooter. I don't care about Scott. I don't care about Taylor.

[Mal]

Don't you say who?

[Rory]

I don't care.

[Mal]

Don't you say believe the owner of a label or the artist. I'm usually going to believe the artist.

[Rory]

It's different when there's evidence on one side and no evidence on the other and one side has played victim for a lot of shit that's came out that they were lying and playing victim.

[Damaris]

Okay. But it doesn't make, it doesn't make sense for her to lie about that.

[Rory]

Why, why wouldn't he want to sell the masters back to Taylor who is a billionaire? Yeah, I mean like just logic didn't make sense to me in that, that whole thing. And listen, I don't. I'm not here to say that Scooter Braun is this upstanding, amazing citizen. I don't know enough about him to say yes or no know. But if I have that much money and I'm Scooter Braun and I find out that Taylor Swift's masters are available and I am a high power music manager, we're supposed to be mad at that guy for buying the masters.

[Mal]

No, no, I don't think you'd be mad at Scooter for that.

[Rory]

It's a, it's a up ecosystem as is.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

We can get mad at that. But someone's going to tell Scooter not to. Scooter.

[Mal]

Right. It doesn't make. Yeah, that doesn't make. When you, when you lay it down like that doesn't. That doesn't make sense.

[Rory]

He didn't go behind anyone's back. And the head of the label, label claims, which I don't see why. They had a great relationship. And on top of that, this was the whole kicker. This was a big kicker where I may side with the label for the first time in my life. Taylor's dad owns 3% of the label. He made over a hundred million dollars off the sale to Scooter. He would have done. And it's not like there's some, some Joe Jackson, Michael Jackson relationship between Taylor and her father.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

Like they're fine. Yeah, that doesn't add up.

[Mal]

Did Taylor know that the deal with Scooter and them was about to go through.

[Rory]

No. Which I think on both sides, that is clear. But after, according to the other side, Taylor passes and doesn't buy her masters. It sounds up, but legally, I don't know if that's really her business.

[Mal]

Did she.

[Rory]

She was mad because I guess there's some beef between her and Scooter, which, by the way, both sides of the dock never explained why they were beefing. Never got to it.

[Damaris]

Well, because they weren't involved in the doc where they were. Scooter nor Taylor were involved.

[Rory]

All the insiders, no one fully said why they ever had a beef. Most people are like, we have no idea really where it came from. But she was so pissed that her masters got sold to somebody she hated.

[Damaris]

Ah, that's what it is.

[Rory]

But they were like, yo, we tried to sell them to you.

[Mal]

So they tried to sell them to sell. Sell the masters to Taylor. She straight up said, no, she didn't want to buy it. I can't.

[Rory]

There was. There was no response. There was no response.

[Mal]

See, that's where. When you say no response, but they.

[Rory]

Showed all the communication of saying they were up for sale. So I don't know if that falls on Taylor's manager that. But I can't see a manager that. When you're managing Taylor Swift, her masters are up for sale, you get an email. It's like, I'll get around to that on Monday.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

That's where I'm like, nah. Her manager definitely told her her masters were up for sale.

[Mal]

I don't know, man. When it comes to like this, I'm just never ready to believe the label. I'm sorry, I'm.

[Rory]

No, I'm with you.

[Mal]

I'm just. I'm just never ready.

[Rory]

They just laid it out and it just made once. They said her pops had like a 3% stake or some shit in the label when Taylor signed to them because they were like a small JV when she moved to Nashville. They weren't crazy big at that time.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So her dad got a stake in the label. Dad moved the whole family over to Nashville, got stake in the label and stayed part of it. He is an owner. He has to be involved in these conversations. There's no way he's not telling his daughter, yo, you can buy your masters back, right? No way. And you about to tell me Taylor Swift's dad is doing something for money when he could actually just still get the same amount of money right, from his daughter?

[Mal]

Yeah, I don't know, man. I just don't. When you shit like this. I get how they laid it out in the doc.

[Rory]

It could all be bullshit. I'm just telling you what happened.

[Mal]

I just want to hear Taylor side.

[Rory]

No, we got Taylor side first. The whole time I was sitting here like.

[Mal]

But in response to Pro Taylor Swift.

[Rory]

Like, I was like, yo, this is fucked up. And then immediately in the beginning, second episode. Scooter side or the label side? Yeah, here's the email we told her. No response.

[Mal]

I don't know if I believe that. I don't know.

[Rory]

You think PJ Photoshopped the email?

[Mal]

Nah, not that. I just. I believe there was more communication after that email. And they probably.

[Damaris]

They were probably haggling prices or something like that.

[Mal]

They probably. I could see where Taylor was in negotiation with numbers, and Scooter probably came in like, look, this is what I'm willing to pay right now. And, like, let's just get it done. Like. Or y'all can keep negotiating with Taylor. Taylor. And he probably was like, all right, it. Let's just. Like, I could see it being that I could see Taylor not knowing, but.

[Rory]

I feel like Taylor's side would have said, like, we were negotiating. And then Scooter swooped in for a higher bid. And then the label owner, Scott was like, all right, well, I'm going with the highest bid. They straight up said, she knew nothing. She found out when everyone else found out that Scooter bought her her Masters.

[Mal]

And I see that. That's up in itself right there. That's wrong. She shouldn't find out about that when we all find out about it.

[Rory]

Oh, I mean, I agree on a.

[Mal]

Moral level for sure, but you don't.

[Rory]

Reply when I'm trying to sell you your master's back.

[Mal]

No, I get that part. But again, we don't know what happened with that. What Taylor was doing in her life, in the world. It's just so many different variables. I'm just saying, if you tell me. Yeah, she found out about the deal being done when the rest of us did that already. That's a problem.

[Rory]

Then I started thinking how much money Scooter Braun has that you could afford Taylor Swift's Masters?

[Damaris]

Yeah, big money.

[Mal]

I'm saying something ain't.

[Rory]

Well, no, if you go through Scooter between Biebs, Ariana Grande.

[Mal]

I get that.

[Rory]

Keep Kanye at a time. Keep going. He has just as much money as his clients.

[Mal]

Yeah, but there's something. Something there that's still not sitting right.

[Rory]

I'm with you.

[Mal]

I'm Kind of with Taylor.

[Rory]

And it was, you know, one of those. Those docs that like VH1 used to do where it's everyone but the people we're talking about are involved with it. It's a bunch of insiders like you don't really know. But it was interesting. I encourage people to watch it. It was definitely a. A look into a rarity in the music industry where an artist could even buy their masters and how up it is even if they have the option.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

So, you know, I don't know. So it's the driver. Drake.

[Mal]

Did you hear Childish. Childish Gambino's new album?

[Rory]

I did. I listened to it in the gym. I got through one one listen. I love it.

[Mal]

Love it.

[Rory]

Yes. Love it, love it. I think it's more of because of the Internet part two than it is the last album, which I prefer. I like Childish getting back in that bag. I like that he labeled it pop because it is every aspect. There is like soulful R and B, there is rapping. There is straight up pop music. But I thought it was a good representation of what pop has become. Like. Everything in the pop category now is in that Childish Gambino album. The way we debate, yo is this R and B song. Is this Beyonce album. Look, that's a real RB song. Why is she a pop artist? Yeah, that's the representation of this Childish Gambino album. And I have a really hot take that I haven't really flushed out yet. And I feel like people get mad at me.

[Mal]

Damn.

[Damaris]

Fuck it.

[Rory]

I love it. All right.

[Mal]

I love this.

[Rory]

We're like.

[Mal]

We're.

[Rory]

We're workshopping it together. Maybe by next episode, I'll fully do it.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

The way people love Tory Lanez and how he takes other people's styles and makes it his own, I think is the way I love Childish Gambino on this album. And because of the Internet, like, he does Drake really well, but makes it his own. He does Kanye really well, but makes it his own.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

He does Wayne really well. He does Frank Ocean really well. You hear those aspects. Like, the second record could have been on Kids See Ghost straight up. But Childish does that very well and makes it his own way. So while I've never been the biggest Tory Lanez fan. Cause I feel like he sounds way too much like other people. I now kind of understand why fans like Tory Lanez because to them, he does a really good job at taking other people's styles and making it own. I think Childish, cuz he's rapping on this. And I'm like, yo, this could be. This could have been on more life.

[Mal]

So he. He has that ability to understand, but.

[Rory]

It'S not a bite.

[Mal]

No, it's not a bite.

[Rory]

It's not a bite.

[Mal]

I get what you. He understands sounds and what's dope and what's cool, and he kind of mimics.

[Rory]

That, and he's done that his whole career. Like, he's even admitted some of his mixtapes. Like, I was just trying to rap like Wayne, and you can hear it.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And now that I think he started to master his artistry, he can separate it where it's like, this sounds like a straight up Wayne bite to like, oh, I could really hear the Wayne influence or the Drake influence here. But he makes it his own.

[Mal]

Who was his influence when he had them sandals on stage?

[Damaris]

Here we go.

[Mal]

What was it? Moses.

[Rory]

He st. Oh, he starts one crazy verse where he was rapping. Rapping. Second half in like, the middle of the hour. He said, this is for the old heads who didn't like my short shorts or my pro kids. He was talking right to you.

[Damaris]

Right to you.

[Mal]

No, I would have preferred him to wear pro Keds as opposed to them sandals he had on up there. Serenading Usher.

[Damaris]

I thought you liked feet. Why does his feet bother you so much?

[Mal]

Say that again and then understand why I'm saying what I'm saying. You thought I liked feet, right? You thought I liked man feet.

[Damaris]

I mean, I didn't think.

[Rory]

That's a good point.

[Damaris]

I mean, I didn't have it. You're not a person who hates feet. Some people hate feet, period. Like. Like, if Rory had his toes out, you would hate. Some people just hate feet. I never thought of you as a I hate feet person, so I was.

[Mal]

It's not. I don't know. I don't hate feet. I hate that he had his feet out at the BET Awards, serenading Usher and honoring him for his lifetime achievement award.

[Damaris]

Well, what was the difference?

[Rory]

What would the.

[Mal]

I felt like he could have put on a nice suit with some shoes.

[Rory]

You've definitely saying you don't have to call barefoot in your house while cleaning. Cleaning. You probably slid like Tom.

[Damaris]

Like Tom Cruise was singing it barefoot.

[Mal]

Look at what y'all are saying.

[Rory]

And yeah, he was barefoot in his crib in that video. In the shower.

[Mal]

In my house. Yes. I can be barefoot in my house.

[Damaris]

So you don't let.

[Rory]

You didn't take your shoes off at the BT Awards when we were there. At any point, we were there for like 48 hours.

[Mal]

You were with me.

[Rory]

I didn't look down.

[Mal]

Well, then that's your problem.

[Damaris]

So you don't like when men take their. Have their feet out in public again?

[Mal]

You're chang. How many times you gonna move to go?

[Rory]

So you agreed with Cameron when he said the Kim.

[Mal]

I'm telling you, when you're honoring a man on stage at the BET Awards.

[Damaris]

Honoring of the.

[Mal]

Put your feet away.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Mal]

Is all I'm saying.

[Damaris]

But I just feel like feet aren't sexual. I feel like you're kind of like, trying to make them, like, nipples now and.

[Mal]

No, I'm not making it. I'm just saying, fam. It's put something. No, you the only in here with your feet out in the entire building.

[Damaris]

I don't think that's true. I'm sure somebody else had their feet.

[Mal]

I. I can promise you. No. No other man had their feet out in BT la. Exactly. Gang bangers. Murderers ain't killing each other with their feet out.

[Damaris]

And the murderers were not at the BET Awards. I'm sure a couple of them were.

[Rory]

It was everywhere.

[Mal]

What you think? What if you don't think it was nobody.

[Rory]

The BET Awards for a reason.

[Mal]

Yeah. You don't think it was nobody at the BET Awards with an active warrant?

[Damaris]

I'm sure they just like.

[Mal]

They just like Killer Mike.

[Rory]

I think Usher had one.

[Mal]

They just locked Killer Mike up. Was it last year?

[Rory]

Yeah. For a parking ticket. Yeah.

[Mal]

Like, are you kidding me? Had their feet away, man. That's all I'm saying.

[Rory]

Second, Childish Gambino, hot take, weird category.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

Haven't fully thought about it yet, but can you feel me? Featuring his son Legend might be the second or first best record between a parent and child together on a song. Since we're talking about LeBron and his son.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

Had me thinking. That song with his son, Legend, Legend smokes it. Janae and her daughter are great, but she's just like, kind of on the ad libs in that one. Blue Ivy is on the Lion King soundtrack, right? Yeah, but how much she's.

[Mal]

She starts Brown Skin Girl. Like, she's singing the hook.

[Rory]

Okay. Yeah.

[Damaris]

She has a Grammy for it.

[Rory]

And she has a crazy freestyle in 444 bonus track.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Okay. Top five parent song. Childish and his son, can you feel it? Is crazy.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

His son. Like, I had to Google who Legend was, and then I saw that Legend was his son. I was like, who is this singing? This kid is nice, but I thought that was beautiful. I feel like LeBron and his son should walk out to that record.

[Damaris]

Would you do that to Amara?

[Rory]

Yeah, but Legend just set the bar.

[Damaris]

That's a bar.

[Mal]

How do you follow that? Amara, get to work.

[Rory]

You gotta get in the studio again. Now.

[Mal]

Turn Ms. Rachel off.

[Rory]

No, that's how she's learning pitch.

[Mal]

Does she teach pitch?

[Rory]

Ms. Rachel teaches music, sort of.

[Mal]

That's dope.

[Rory]

She's. I don't know the name of it, but, like a vocal. A speech coach. Like, her child had trouble speaking. That's how she speech therapist. That's why she researched all this, and that's how she got into this game.

[Mal]

It's fire.

[Rory]

Yeah. That's why all our kids, like, lock in immediately. Because she's mastering, like, whatever the tone and pitch is for kids to love. And that's how she got her kids speaking. Now. That's. Even though I think she's a CIA agent, like, she's an amazing person online.

[Mal]

Somebody, they think she's a pedophile, too. I swear to God, they think anybody.

[Damaris]

Who works with kids pedophile. But history will show you that'd be the.

[Rory]

The ones that don't that really be the pedophiles.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I mean, outside of the Boy Scouts.

[Mal]

Shout out to blast his. His home was burglarized over the crazy.

[Rory]

To say shout out and then that.

[Mal]

No, but I'm gonna tell you why I tied together. So he had posted at home was burglarized. His family was there. His kids were there, unfortunately, while the people broke into the house and he had posted about it. And then, like, right after I saw that post, I was like, damn. I was gonna hit him up and be like, yo, listen. Cause, you know, I couldn't just imagine. He's not. He's out of town, but he obviously has ring cameras and can see people bringing to his house, knowing his kids in there just, you know, blasted somebody I fuck with. So I was started to reach out and be like, yo, you know, like, hope everything's good with you and your family. And then, like, 20 minutes later, I see that he post about the I'll always come find you. And I thought that was in response to the burglary. Like, I'm gonna come find you. N. So I was like, wait, is it like, is this a rollout? I didn't know what was going on, so I kind of paused for a minute, but then come to find out that, no, this was already something that was gonna drop. But I thought he got crazy ill on us.

[Rory]

But is his family safe?

[Mal]

His family is safe. His Family is fine. But I thought that he was tying that into. Got you the home burglary, which is.

[Rory]

So crazy that our brains can even go that way. And thank God his family is safe. And I could only imagine the anxiety and fear you would have not being home and just, and just watching it. Yeah, my prayers are, are with just. Even though his family safe is with him. Just dealing with that. That would be a helpless feeling that I don't even want to imagine.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's. That's, that's definitely has to be one of the worst feelings as a father father to know that your family is home. You're not there and you're watching people break into your. Your house.

[Damaris]

Prayers to Armani too. Armani's house got burglarized last week.

[Mal]

Prison Armani. He wasn't, he wasn't. He wasn't there. No, nobody was there in Philly or la. In la.

[Damaris]

La.

[Rory]

Did he just move into that when he was out in la?

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, man.

[Rory]

LA is.

[Damaris]

It's nasty out there. It's autumn. Floor to ceiling windows.

[Mal]

Yeah. You live in. You know, it's easy to jump these gates and you know, you got a back backyard and patio door or whatever. It's, you know, it's, it's ways. It's entry points if you're trying to get into these houses.

[Rory]

So that's just crazy.

[Mal]

Listen, man, I always say all we got to do is see one of them get killed, kill one of them burglars and put it on social media.

[Rory]

That would be one of the murders. I wouldn't mind being on social media.

[Mal]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

Just kill one of them.

[Mal]

You break everybody else and their family is there. I love those type of videos. You see them niggas running out of there, gunfire coming behind them. Oh, I love those type of videos. Yeah, kill one of them. Yo, listen, stop running into these houses. Cause first of all, being in the B and E game is crazy because you don't know what's on the other side of that door at all.

[Rory]

If you take they shit. Cool. That shit can be replaced. Still trauma to the victim, but once you start harming people for that shit, like what are we doing?

[Mal]

Just well, glad that Armani is safe, you know, material things we can always get back. And prayers to Blast and his family. Glad that they're safe. I always come find you. Blast. I don't know if Blast has missed yet.

[Rory]

He hasn't.

[Mal]

He's one of those. He's one of those artists that he just finds a way. He Has. He has his pocket. He stays in it. He always. But. But he has a sound. But his sound is not too repetitive. You understand what I'm saying? You know blast. When you hear blast, but it's not like it doesn't sound like the shit he just dropped.

[Rory]

Yeah, I hate. I mean, I hate to use mustard as an example with certain artists, but it's not like all of blast shit is on a mustard type of sound.

[Mal]

Right?

[Rory]

Like, he sounds the same on everything, but it's different Sonic.

[Mal]

You know it's him every time. Yeah, you know it's him, but it's.

[Rory]

Which I mean, is a good thing for artists when you know the moment they get on a song.

[Mal]

Exactly.

[Rory]

That's what everyone looks for when you want to be an artist. Black Odyssey 1-800-Fantasy came out out.

[Mal]

Shout out to Black Odyssey.

[Rory]

Great project. I'm featured in the videos, so you already know. Classic.

[Mal]

Already number one on the countdown.

[Rory]

Should have went triple. Number one on the countdown it is. Bow wow, just new join of the day. Bow wow just announced me what you guys think of Cardi's verse on on that money with rob 49.

[Mal]

Listen, man, I. I always said I just want music from Cardi. I want an album. I want music. Music.

[Damaris]

Well, she been yelling at y'all that the album is. Is coming.

[Rory]

I thought she was yelling it wasn't coming.

[Mal]

I'm waiting.

[Damaris]

She said it'll be here before the end of the year.

[Mal]

But this. This record is. It's gonna do. It's gonna do what they wanted to do.

[Damaris]

You think so?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

I don't know if. I don't know if it will. And that's not a knock to Cartier. Rob the Fortnight. I don't know. I don't know if it will. I know how Rob's songs go off. I have, like. My little sisters are huge. Rob Robbed for nine.

[Rory]

He's big. He's.

[Damaris]

Yeah, he's big.

[Rory]

Kids really like him.

[Damaris]

Him. Skilla baby. All. All them. I don't know.

[Mal]

This is probably the first time I feel like I want to know who wrote this Cardi verse.

[Rory]

Why? Because they were sucking dick.

[Damaris]

I feel like. I feel like.

[Mal]

Who wrote I'm sucking dick from scratch? If you point. If you point to a dude in the room, I'm gonna have some questions for him.

[Rory]

All right.

[Mal]

Here's how your brain went to that.

[Rory]

Here's how I think Cardi and whoever she's writing with. Right? Like the same way she said, I like those Balencia Balenciagas. The Ones that look like socks. I think she actually said that.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And then whoever she was writing with formed it into a bar. I think Cardi does say all the things that she says in her raps.

[Mal]

So she has like.

[Rory]

Somebody is just structuring the verse for her. So she has like 100. Then Cardi came in the studio and was like, yo, I thought of this. Yo, I'll be sucking dick from scratch. I think she thought Cardi walked in.

[Mal]

And was like, yo, I thought of this. Yes, I'll be sucking dick from scratch.

[Rory]

Yes, I think all those off when it's dummy.

[Mal]

So Cardi has a stenographer walking around with her.

[Rory]

Yeah. I really think that's how she writes. Cuz she has so much of her personality that's undeniable in her verses outside of how she delivers them. I. I don't think she's fully writing her raps, but I think all the bars and lines and tricks and everything that we love from Cardi, she's coming up with those. Someone else is just structuring it and telling her how to rap it.

[Mal]

All right, I just hope Party. That wasn't a party bar that he came up with. That's all I'm saying. Because I'm. We gonna have to have a.

[Rory]

All right, so what do you say about Big when the Lil Kim references.

[Mal]

Oh, no, we always talked about that. Like, that was insanity. Like a mad. You know, we lost Big before I could have that question.

[Rory]

Like, yo, Big, was it Clue that leaked? That wasn't. Didn't he try to kill Clue in like a barbershop because he leaked that?

[Mal]

Probably. That sounds about right. I don't know, man. Probably. But yeah, I just want to know who wrote that for Cardi. But okay.

[Rory]

If you're a writer. If you're a writer, though, that's kind of shade.

[Damaris]

Hold on, let's. Let's take a. Why do you assume that every single Cardi B verse that she puts out is written for her?

[Mal]

I'm not saying that every single verse is written for.

[Damaris]

So then why are you audible?

[Mal]

I just said I want to know.

[Damaris]

Who wrote this to her.

[Mal]

Well, I hope. I started by saying I hope she wrote that because I can't see a guy coming up with that. That's what I'm alluding to. What I'm saying. I'm hoping those is her bars. Cause I can't see a guy in the room and be like, nah, you should say you suck dick from scratch and. Cause it's like, that's what you always.

[Damaris]

Or I ride dick on my feet. I be hopping like a bunny.

[Mal]

You understand what I'm saying? Now, I just hope Cardi's always had.

[Rory]

Taglines, even when she was just Instagram famous. Before love and hip hop. Like bars. Now the way we say. Oh, it's just mostly IG captions.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I think she comes up with hilarious IG captions, and then someone makes it a verse.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Damaris]

Put that money on me. Like that. Yeah.

[Rory]

I think she's heavily involved in her verses.

[Mal]

No, definitely.

[Rory]

I just don't think she's the one counting the bars.

[Mal]

Yeah, nah, she's involved for sure. I'm just saying. I just hope that was, like, one of her specials where she just came in and said, that nigga was like, okay, I could definitely. Definitely. I could definitely turn that into something that they keep going back to, because I can't see no dude just popping up in Cardi ear like, yo, say.

[Rory]

This, all right, but if you're a writer, you can't see some of the greatest writers being able to write from a women's perspective and it not be gay. Yeah, no, like, even with movies, like, if you're writing for a woman character, like, you can get in the brain of a woman.

[Mal]

Yeah, but I just think that when you say when you write, like, if you.

[Rory]

I've done it before.

[Mal]

I mean, like, yo, maul say this right here, and you be like, yo, suck dick from scratch. Gonna look at you like, that's what you over here thinking about.

[Rory]

I'm not saying Cardi is a character, because I think she would take that as offense. I don't mean it that way, but she is a. A big personality. Like, we understand the personality that is cardi B.

[Mal]

100%.

[Rory]

I think a great writer can notice that and get in the brain of that personality.

[Mal]

Yeah, I get it.

[Rory]

I don't.

[Damaris]

I could write a verse from Rory's perspective. I feel like when a per. You can do that.

[Mal]

That's easy.

[Rory]

What is it?

[Damaris]

What's the verse?

[Mal]

I've never been loved. I'm a ginger redhead treated like a wet food stamp. Like, I could.

[Rory]

They still take wet food st.

[Mal]

I could.

[Rory]

I could write for white foods. White food stamps are always taken, yo, and that's a card now, Mo.

[Mal]

Yeah, it is a card. Gangster. Like, you pull your card out like, I know what that. That ain't Visa. Don't do that. Don't try to hand it to that lady fast like that.

[Damaris]

Oh, when I be using my friend's food stamp card, I Swipe with no. I'm no shame, man.

[Rory]

Listen, Big Sean. Yes. New single.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Big Sean. Yes.

[Rory]

I like it. But. But Big Sean's an album artist to me. I'm looking forward to the album. Cool record.

[Mal]

Yes.

[Rory]

I'm here for the album.

[Mal]

It's all right.

[Rory]

It's cool.

[Mal]

It's cool. But I'm not like, you know, a big. I didn't really. I listened to it maybe twice and probably won't listen to it again. But I'm definitely. I'm. I'm waiting for Big Sean's album, though. Like, I'm definitely looking for.

[Damaris]

So you're running to that at 12 o'clock, his album?

[Mal]

No, I don't know about 12.

[Rory]

I will.

[Mal]

If I'm up. If I'm up. If I'm up.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Mal]

If I. If I fall asleep before 12, I ain't gonna be mad, is what I'm saying.

[Damaris]

Do you prefer his albums by himself or his albums with Jana more?

[Rory]

He only has one. Well, his.

[Damaris]

His. But he has. Outside of the album, he has songs with her.

[Mal]

Do you. I mean, their. Their. Their album together was dope. If you go back and listen to that album now, like, they really got some on there.

[Rory]

No, 2088 is.

[Mal]

Yeah, they got some. I'm talking about, like, is a.

[Rory]

In the era. Classic.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

That's a new tier that I think we should implement. It's a timely classic for that time.

[Mal]

When that albums all.

[Rory]

Sure.

[Mal]

Whose albums?

[Rory]

Sure. I'm not mad at that. A time we usually say it has to be timeless to be a classic. I think you can have timely classics for that era. That was a classic. It may not stand the test of time.

[Mal]

Who are y'all talking about?

[Rory]

Well, I was saying 2088 for that time, to me, is a classic.

[Mal]

And what did you hoot?

[Damaris]

And I said, oh, so all of Eminem's albums. It was a joke. But I agree with you said that before. I knew.

[Mal]

I think all of Eminem's albums, not.

[Rory]

All of them, but I can see people not thinking Marshall Mathers LP aged well. But to me, it's for that time. That's a classic fucking album.

[Mal]

But at the time it came out, we had to unanimous unanimously. Feel like, yo, this album is crazy.

[Rory]

Yeah. Like the way people now still wear Pink Floyd, Dark side of the Moon T shirts. Like, that's forever. No matter what it's said. I don't know if that's going to be the case for Marshall Mathers LP.

[Mal]

Right. Okay, I get what I'm saying.

[Rory]

In 2000 to tell me that that's not an instant classic album. Yeah, no, you would just be there for that time.

[Mal]

I get it. Okay. I understand what you.

[Rory]

So, to me, yeah, sure.

[Mal]

2088 is crazy. I listened to that the other day after that DeShawn came out, I just was like, let me listen to that. Sounds amazing.

[Rory]

That's an unfair question, Damaris. Because if you look at, like, finally Famous Detroit, the mixtape, like, Sean has so much.

[Damaris]

He has so much music, like, to.

[Rory]

Compare it to that one, One project, I don't know if that's fair. Dark side Paradise. I'm gonna take Sean solo.

[Mal]

Yeah, I don't think that's.

[Damaris]

I wasn't trying to compare projects. I was trying to compare whether you like the sound when he's on songs with her compared to. If you like.

[Rory]

But then I also like Janae solo. They're great when they come together.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You know, they're best.

[Mal]

Sean should have been on, like, one or two of them songs on, like, Sailing Souls.

[Damaris]

That's too early. Did they even know each other?

[Mal]

No, but I'm just saying, like, listen. Listening to that. If you listen to that now, it's like, one or two. I'm just like, yo, imagine if Sean had this verse.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Because that's. To me, that's a classic.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Sailing Souls is a classic to me.

[Rory]

They're the epitome of spinning the block and it working out perfectly.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, sometimes your soulmate let your soulmate get married and put out two classics about her ex husband. Husband. Then is she a time slime?

[Mal]

Then you go in and do come off the bench.

[Rory]

Because, I mean, they were dating, and then they broke up, and then she went on and gotten married. It didn't work out. And now they're happily married with children.

[Mal]

Wait, they dated and then she got married?

[Rory]

Yeah. They 100.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Really? I didn't know that. I never knew she was married.

[Rory]

Yeah, she was married to that producer. He's a amazing producer. I can't believe I'm blanking on his name.

[Mal]

God, you.

[Rory]

That's what started the whole Cudi and big Sean beef.

[Damaris]

Dr. Genius.

[Rory]

Dr. Genius. Which I always found. I mean, Dr. Genius did a lot of Cuddy stuff early. Like, that's his. One of his main producers.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And him and Jana got married, and then after they broke up, Sean got back with a girl he was already dating, and Cudi was like, yo, what the? And it was like, what the. I don't owe anything to Dot the Genius. What I owe him is Yeah, I dated in the past. We stayed friends throughout the entire thing. And now, like, that's how relationships work as adults.

[Mal]

Yeah, but then, you know, he probably painted it to like, oh, so this is why they didn't last. Cause you were still in the picture. You know, you could just paint that. You could paint that as if y'all.

[Damaris]

Friends the whole time. Cause now it feels like y'all was fucking around the whole time.

[Mal]

Exactly.

[Rory]

That's all.

[Mal]

That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying that's what happened here. I'm just saying if. If.

[Rory]

If she's married, then on top of that, Corrupt is threatening me on an interlude on your album. Yeah, I'm feel away.

[Mal]

Yeah, it's just, you know.

[Damaris]

Was that to him?

[Rory]

Of course it was.

[Damaris]

You don't know that, Rory. You don't know that.

[Rory]

Who was it to then? You.

[Damaris]

It could have been.

[Rory]

She was divorced. Put out a whole album of being divorced. Who do you think Corrupt was talking about? Sean.

[Damaris]

But the song is called. You should have called me. The song is basically like, you somebody and they ain't reach out to you, and now you mad, so now you sicking your brothers on them. Like it. I don't. I think it was just a song to show that, like, she got the Crips behind.

[Rory]

Corrupt wanted his act address. The. The most corrupt part about that whole voicemail was it's your big brother, Corrupt. We knew.

[Mal]

Yeah. Soon as we heard your voice, we knew. Exactly.

[Damaris]

We knew who you were.

[Rory]

I love Corrupt.

[Damaris]

I love that song too.

[Rory]

It's a great song.

[Damaris]

Every girl who has male friends has. Has felt that way.

[Rory]

Jana does not have a miss in her discography.

[Mal]

No, I don't think so.

[Damaris]

No.

[Rory]

There's not even like a eh. Album. No. Yeah, she's one of those. Well, do we have to get. I guess we have to get to.

[Damaris]

It's been avoiding it for so long.

[Rory]

Biggest news in America.

[Mal]

Y'all corny, man.

[Rory]

Biggest.

[Mal]

Y'all corny.

[Rory]

Why are we corny?

[Mal]

Y'all corny.

[Rory]

We've been for. So I'm waving the white flag, cuz.

[Mal]

If this was the other way, we would have led with that. If it was the other way, we would have led with it. Well, we're immune.

[Rory]

We could take this segment podcast.

[Mal]

No, we're not. No, we're not.

[Rory]

Okay, we can leave this part in and say we're moving it to the top.

[Mal]

We ain't moving on business. That's how I'm ten toes. Kamala, listen, man, y'all All I'm saying is what I say y'all whack for, you know, now we. Do we have to talk now. Do we have to talk about it?

[Damaris]

Well, Rory said that. I ain't say that. Don't call me whack.

[Mal]

Y'all corny, man.

[Damaris]

I ain't corny. See, you keep saying y'all.

[Mal]

Anyway, Joe Biden has dropped out of the race for the next presidential term. Something that I think. Well, no, something that I've always knew was going to happen. Something that I always was sitting here laughing at y'all about because I was like, bro, yeah, I understand policies and this. That I was just always saying. Do y'all think he's a better fit for president than the Orange Man? Yeah. Yeah, he is. No, he's not. We can just be honest. He's not. The man don't know where he at, what day it is. And it's. We understand age and we want to give grace to our elders. But that's all I was.

[Rory]

I'm sorry, that's ageism.

[Mal]

That's all I was trying to allude.

[Damaris]

To was like, yo, Elder.

[Mal]

Yeah, like, come on, man. Like, he president. No, this. He should be somewhere. Just enjoy life, relax. He don't need to be stressed out with politics in the. In the issues of the world and traveling. No.

[Damaris]

Okay, so now, since that seemed to be your issue with Biden now, that was your only reason for backing Trump, was that you felt like.

[Mal]

No, no, no, no, no, no. Don't put words in mind. That was my only reason.

[Damaris]

Oh, okay.

[Mal]

I'm just saying that I. That was a major reason.

[Damaris]

That was the major reason. So the major. The major reason is gone now. We now have Kamala Harris. Harris. That's supposed to be. That he endorsed. So what. What is it now? Are you still going for Trump against Kama?

[Mal]

Do I think that Trump will win is what you're asking? I'm not voting. I've never voted for Trump. I'm not voting for Trump. Like, y'all know that. That's always been the case. But do I feel like she will win, is what you're asking me?

[Damaris]

No, I'm not asking you that. I mean, do you feel like she will win? I'm sorry, do you feel like she.

[Mal]

Okay, I don't think she's gonna win. And I think this is the Democratic Party's fault for waiting this long, for the inevitable of just telling Joe Biden to step down. They should have done this a very long time ago where they would have had more time to get somebody in there that the Democratic Party can get behind and push. Now you're talking about November 5th is the election. This is July, the end of July.

[Rory]

I said this in the group chat. And then you got mad at me. No, because everything you just said.

[Mal]

No, I don't think you said that in the group chat. But whatever.

[Rory]

Her best bet is tomorrow. I don't know why she didn't do this today. Publicly. Speech, Trump, let's debate on Friday.

[Mal]

She don't want that. She don't want that.

[Damaris]

It takes a lot of.

[Rory]

Trump, let's debate right away.

[Mal]

You don't want that. She don't want to debate Trump.

[Rory]

Politics is all about perception. She don't want to start saying, oh, let's debate tomorrow. The people don't. The regular people don't know how long it takes to put that shit together. But if you start harassing somebody, yo, it's debate. Debate.

[Mal]

Listen, they let.

[Rory]

Same way Trump did the. The perception of. Let's go take that test together. We all know how much that would take for the two of them to go to the doctor together to take that cognitive test. She should do the same perception bullshit. Trump, let's debate tomorrow. Come on. I'm not. I'm not Biden.

[Mal]

Listen, let me tell you something. You saw that. That Trump.

[Rory]

You could roll over somebody. There's no idea where the fuck he is. Let's talk.

[Mal]

That Trump, Biden debate, which I'm still. I told you I didn't think that was going to happen. And they let happen. That's essentially what knocked Biden out of this race. Race was the debate after that, it was clear as day. Van Jones, he crying now. His crying ass.

[Damaris]

Stop.

[Mal]

The night of the debate, he was crying. He was crying at the night of the debate. He knew it was over that night. Go look at the tape. Is he what? I don't think no man is straight that sits on TV and cries for a white politician.

[Damaris]

Rory. I'm. I wasn't. I'm not, I'm. I'm not trying to be shady.

[Rory]

I didn't say you were.

[Mal]

I just. I don't know, man. I don't know. I don't know what these men do behind closed doors. I'm just saying a black man crying over a white politician is insane to me. That's all I'm saying.

[Rory]

It's like his mentor, though.

[Mal]

I hear you. He's cool with. There's pictures with all these niggas hanging out, kicking it.

[Rory]

It's like the movie Finding Forrester.

[Mal]

It's nothing like that. He just want to cry for whatever. It's political theater, man. Cry about that. Where's that money Jeff Bezos gave? Where is that at? What you did?

[Damaris]

What Jeff gave him?

[Rory]

That's why he keep crying, so he get deflected. All we're talking about is why he cries on TV every day.

[Mal]

Nah. What you doing with that? Let's see the taxes on that.

[Rory]

Nah.

[Mal]

Oh, you don't want to show that.

[Rory]

Of course not.

[Mal]

See what I'm saying? But you sitting up here crying because Biden had to bow out of a presidential race. Cut the shit, man. We knew he wasn't fit for presidency. It is what it is. A president should not be that old. We should not have a guy that old representing the country, Trump included. I agree, but Trump is just in a better condition, physically, mentally, than Biden is. That's all it is. And that's all I've been trying to ask people. You think that he's a better. You think so? Like, just be. Forget policies. You think that this man should represent. He should be the President of the United States. He should fly and travel the world to foreign countries and sit and talk with other political leaders, leaders of other countries in the condition that he's in? No, we should not. That should not be what? That should not represent the president of the United States. Trump also. But I'm just always talking about between the two candidates that we have in front of us.

[Damaris]

Well, now we have a potential new one.

[Mal]

Not gonna work. Let's just be real here. It's not gonna work. This country is not ready and not at a space where they're gonna put a woman. Just be real. We seen it with Hillary Clinton, who probably was the favorite back then.

[Damaris]

Well, she did. She won the popular vote.

[Mal]

You understand what I'm saying? So do I think this might be a case here? Close to it. I just don't think that Kamala will come close to winning the popular vote over Trump. I don't know. I don't. I don't see that happening. And if they try to roll out and tell me that she got more votes than Obama, I'm not believing this shit. You're not going to get me to believe that she got more votes than Obama in 2008. I don't give a fuck what y'all.

[Rory]

It's going to take the electoral college for her to. To win, and I don't think she's going to win. But she's not winning the popular no, it's not. It's not happening.

[Mal]

It's just not going to happen. So thank you, President Joe Biden, for your service. Thank you for your presidency.

[Rory]

But I mean, if Gavin steps up that vice roles. JD Vance around.

[Mal]

Not happening enough. People don't like. You just gotta talk to some black and Hispanic people from California about how they feel about Kamala Harris, Anyone that lives. Yeah, they'll let you know about Gavin Newsom, how they feel about him, too. Just talk to people that live in these states, in these cities that these people come from, and tell you about their past and their history. That's all. Just talk to people that are from these cities. They'll give you more insight into who you're voting for.

[Rory]

She's an AKA she has the Greek community.

[Mal]

Oh, she went to Howard. You gotta vote for.

[Rory]

She's AKA Too.

[Mal]

They love to. They love to throw that in your face, Peach. She went to Howard. How can you not vote? It's a bunch of that went to Howard. I don't with pretty fan was good. She's one of them.

[Damaris]

Put them on.

[Mal]

Put her on the list. Out of here. She went to Howard. We got any voicemails? You got mail.

[Damaris]

We do.

[Rory]

Good luck. Good luck, Peach.

[Damaris]

You guys ready? Okay.

[Mal]

What's up, y'all? It's Tyreek from Gretner, Virginia. Shout out to the 434. I got another question for y'all. So if you were to wake up on the first day of high school and freshman year with the knowledge that you have right now, what would you do differently? I know for me, if I woke up with the same knowledge I had now, I definitely would have been single the entire time through high school, because I feel like now as an adult, I missed out on a lot of memories that I could have had with my friends. You know, was there anybody that maybe robbed you and. And now that you have the knowledge, maybe you play that whole situation different and come out on top or just anything, really. But know that if you change anything, your lives now could be totally different. Like Rory, you might not even have a baby right now. Or the pod might even be real, so.

[Rory]

Because the freshman year, I had a question I had based off, I guess, butterfly effect. Everything gets you there. Yeah, I see what he's trying to say.

[Mal]

Shout out to VH he started throwing it. Shout out to.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that wasn't happening.

[Mal]

That's sick.

[Rory]

That used to be a thing on the radio.

[Mal]

Oh, absolutely. Would I change anything different with the knowledge I have now?

[Rory]

I think it's hilarious that he went to a high school relationship. I don't know, buy stock and Facebook.

[Damaris]

Well, your freshman year, if I had.

[Rory]

The same knowledge, your freshman year of.

[Damaris]

High school, you wouldn't have had money to buy stock at Facebook.

[Rory]

I could have asked my mom. Mom.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

She was definitely gonna give you $10 into Facebook. Would have done all right. My freshman year, socially.

[Mal]

Socially, yeah, socially, I would, I would change a lot. Like, I, I, I definitely would have been a better student for sure. Within the knowledge I have now, I definitely would have been one of those students that I thought was corny for like doing their work, being the first in class and being the last one to leave the classroom. I'm like, why you still in here? The bell ring. Now I understand why they were still there. So, yeah, I would change little things like that, but I don't know about too much as far as relationships and things like that. Definitely some girls I wouldn't have kissed, though. Yeah, I seen them now, like what they turned out to be.

[Rory]

It's like you could be a better kisser for it now, though.

[Mal]

Yeah. You got to go through that moment and have, have those periods of kissing women you shouldn't have kissed. Yeah, I get it.

[Rory]

Like, I mean, I guess I have nothing major.

[Mal]

No major change.

[Rory]

Yeah. I don't know if they're be crazy changes because I mean, kind of to what he's saying, like, there wouldn't be the podcast now or. Baby, I see what he's saying. With decisions that you make that eventually affects the future. I don't know, maybe taking more advantage of my high school and the opportunities that were there. Like, it wasn't a bad high school. So there, there was opportunities there that I could have done outside of just playing sports.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, there was stuff even with music, whether music writing, there was programs after school that I could have taken advantage of.

[Mal]

That's. I'm probably the same for me, since I went to performing arts high school, it was just like the idea of me having to go to this camp in Boston for the summer to study more classical music.

[Rory]

That would have been cool.

[Mal]

And then only have like two weeks of summer to myself. As a, as a 14, 15 year old kid, I was like, hell, no, I'm not more school. But now looking back, it's like, damn, the opportunities, the people you meet and connect with, you know, at these programs in these different cities, you know, obviously my life would have been on a different course. So I don't regret where I am today, but I definitely probably Would have took those opportunities to just have that. Those experiences. I probably would have took more of.

[Rory]

Those opportunities, but I don't beat myself up with the hindsight. Is 2020 stuff too much? Cause I didn't know, like, yeah, I can say that now. Where my career is and where those type of skills, developing them as a teenager would have been great. But I was a teenager. Like, I was figuring out and navigating the best way I knew how, which got me here.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So I like the question, but I don't like to think that way.

[Mal]

Yeah. No. I mean, especially when I. I have.

[Rory]

Regrets on decisions I've made, but not regrets in the path that I. To get to.

[Mal]

Absolutely. I mean, we been fortunate enough to land in a spot in our lives where things are great, things are good, but, you know, aside from minor, little, small things, I don't think there's much that I would go back and change.

[Rory]

Because I. I mean, I wouldn't be.

[Mal]

In such a rush to be an adult. I'll tell you that. I would every time.

[Rory]

That's a great point.

[Mal]

Yeah. Every time you hear adults tell you, you know, listen, enjoy it. Don't be this that, you know, you don't be in a rush to grow up, up and. And you, like, man, out of here. I don't want to go to school. I don't want to do. I don't want to pay bills either, though.

[Rory]

Yeah. Like, I won't do the high school thing. College. I'll take the same question. Like, once I started getting involved in music industry when I was a sophomore in college, combined with, you know, knocking out an RA to get kicked out. I wish I would have, like, given myself that two years, that more of a college experience. Because now I'm like, damn, I. I went right into real life. Like, it would have been nice to really just chill. You have four years to off and do whatever you want.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Def Jam wasn't going nowhere, right?

[Mal]

Still there.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's still. It's there right now.

[Mal]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Rory]

But you look at it, you know, what's in front of your face, like, damn, I got this opportunity now what's behind me? And that may have been the right decision, but, yeah, I regret sometimes, like, damn, what if I went to school down south and, like, really got a college experience.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Went to commuter school. Like, just tried to figure it out as I went. Maybe I would have chilled and like, yeah. Got to know more people around a college campus than a office.

[Mal]

Yeah. Yes. Again, small. Small things that I would have taken Advantage of. But having the knowledge I have now at. In the ninth grade, I just. That wouldn't have been. That wouldn't.

[Rory]

That would have been rough hindsight. Those chicks that you think are bad and you're crushing on are going to turn out to be fentanyl heads.

[Mal]

Yeah, damn. They don't look bad. Don't chase her. Don't spend your time chasing her and not focusing on school because she ain't going to be what you think she is.

[Rory]

That 50 quote. Damn, homie. He was the man in high school. What happened to you?

[Mal]

It's real.

[Rory]

That's more about women than it could be.

[Mal]

Nah, don't do that, man. N. I know a lot of dudes, the prettiest chicks. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It happens.

[Rory]

Turn out to be.

[Mal]

It happens.

[Rory]

Ugly.

[Mal]

Some of the coolest. Some of the coolest dudes too.

[Rory]

Oh, for sure.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

These are sleeping in the. In the. In the eight by the atm, eight in the. By the bank.

[Damaris]

Now I feel like that happens to the dudes more than it happens to the women.

[Mal]

Yeah, women ain't gonna let themselves. I know a lot of.

[Rory]

A lot of them their way to the bottom.

[Mal]

No, what happens, you know, what happens when women know you can't your way.

[Rory]

To the top, you know, only your way to the bottom.

[Mal]

Speaking from my experience and women that I've went to school with and knowing what some of them are now, they definitely ruined their lives by the decisions in the men that they either had babies with, you know, started a family with, started a life with, the guys would fuck their life up.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Not saying that, you know, that's the. The sole reason, but looking at it, it's like, oh, you got with him when you was 18. Y'all was together through your whole college and had a baby and he was in the streets, got locked up, had to do a bid, left you out here, single parent, trying to figure it out, you know, like, oh, this is where you went wrong. Like, you was attached to yourself to a fucking piece of shit dude for the rest of your life by having a baby with him. But outside of that, not too many women that I went to school with are like, doing bad in life because of, you know, they're strung out on drugs or. It's a lot of dudes that, like, I don't know too many women that I went to school with that are like, strung out on drugs in the streets. But a lot of dudes I went to high school with are definitely.

[Rory]

You wasn't outside strung out on drugs.

[Mal]

Some of them are women now.

[Rory]

Oh, you mentioned that a lot.

[Mal]

Yeah. No, some dudes I went to high school with are women now.

[Rory]

That's where your transphobia comes from because it's so close to home.

[Mal]

What'd you say?

[Damaris]

I said, are they bad? Like, are they, like, objectively, are they.

[Mal]

Bad that I'm not. I can't be objective to that. I went to. That was in my home room. Like, whatever he is now, I don't know him as this. I know him as, you know, being in the homeroom. But life is funny, man. Life is. Life is weird. Life is beautiful. Life is strange. But it's life.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

So, yeah, no, I wouldn't change nothing. I'm. I'm happy with where things landed. I regret not taking advantage of certain opportunities, but I wouldn't change much.

[Rory]

Just take that time.

[Mal]

Except for that. That stole my. I knew he stole. I should have cracked his head back then.

[Damaris]

You should have.

[Rory]

It's never too late.

[Mal]

No, it's too late for that. It's way too late for that.

[Damaris]

Never too late. Rory. He don't remember. He stole that.

[Mal]

For real? Yeah, it's too late for that. But I should. I should have cracked him for that.

[Rory]

I would have learned how to code.

[Damaris]

Oh, for sure. For sure. I would have been way more.

[Mal]

I don't even think that was a option.

[Rory]

I mean, in my free time, MySpace was the closest thing that I learned how to code, and that was just to try to make my profile dope.

[Mal]

Yeah, you want you to look hard.

[Rory]

Yeah, I would have learned how to code more. That's something. There's two things. Amar is gonna be pissed at me if she's not passionate about them. No matter what, she's staying in it. She's learning piano because all music now, whether you want to do drums, anything else is based off a synth. Like, you can do everything with a keyboard. I'm saying a piano keyboard and coding, you have to learn the basics of both of those. I'm not saying you got to go be a fucking expert in either. That's going to be your one on one and taxes. Those three things you are learning as a teenager, no matter the what I.

[Damaris]

Think that's a good.

[Rory]

And a fight.

[Damaris]

That's a good conversation. Ma. What do you think you're going to, like, push your kid to be in golf? Golf?

[Mal]

Tennis.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

We already looked into signing Amara up for tennis. We're looking like five years, but. Yeah, that was our number one thing to start with.

[Mal]

I'm actually. I just told My sister the other day to push my nephew into golf. Like, he likes it, like, top golf and things like that. So I'm like, yo, just take him. They have, like, a golf course by her house where they give classes for kids. I like, just take him, put him in and see if he gravitates towards it. If not, it's all good.

[Rory]

I'm gonna send you this golf thing for kids. That's fire.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

That I already purchased.

[Mal]

I'll probably need that for.

[Rory]

Even though Amara.

[Mal]

Yeah, I'm. I'm gonna take it. But I'm also using my. Myself.

[Rory]

Yeah. Purchase this golf for Amara. She won't be able to use it for another few years.

[Mal]

Yeah, it's.

[Rory]

I'm going to use it.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But it's 4K.

[Damaris]

Put it on your rooftop. That would probably be a good place.

[Rory]

Well, it's for the living room.

[Damaris]

Oh, okay.

[Rory]

And it's like an easy setup with, like, a little screen, and they can just hit the ball, and it shows where it goes. It's cool.

[Damaris]

I, I, I am going to do the health field Covid. Really? Like, during co, I hated myself for not going into the health field, but. But even if I had heard how.

[Mal]

Much money those traveling nurses was making.

[Damaris]

Yeah, man, I'm bitches. They made out like bandits in.

[Mal]

The Traveling Nurses was making so much money that they was actually physically fighting nurses in the city that. Cause, like, say you got. You live in New York, and you're a nurse in New York. During COVID they was bringing in women from wherever else, and those women were making more money than the nurses that.

[Rory]

Were in the city, and they put them up in the 60 Hotel.

[Mal]

And so the nurses were actually fighting, like, physically got into fighting fights, because it's like, yo, y'all bringing in all these traveling. They probably working less hours and making more money than us. So it's like, when you start. That whole time was crazy. But I learned a lot about nurses and that whole how that thing works.

[Rory]

During COVID And that should have been a reality show.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Oh, for sure.

[Rory]

The real nurses of New York or whatever, that would have went crazy because one of my homegirls got flown in from Houston, stayed at the 60 in Soho, and was getting paid. Crazy. And the whole time she was like, yo, pull up. Like, let's. Let's chill. I was like, I don't know. Co's crazy. She was like, you're fine.

[Mal]

Don't do that. See, don't do that. Don't do that. She laughed, but don't do that because. Because at the height of COVID I start saying some, and y'all gonna be mad, so just don't do that.

[Rory]

You're fine.

[Mal]

Don't do that. That's all I'm saying.

[Damaris]

But, yeah, definitely the health field, because there's just certain things that they don't change and the human body does not. You will always need people in the health field. I think coding will be good. I think it's. I don't want to say it's getting oversaturated, but whatever coding will be. Yeah.

[Rory]

When Amara. Because, of course, with AI, it's. Everything is going to change. But yeah, the overall theme of what Coding. You know, I. I've watched Peach teach himself how to do everything.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So.

[Mal]

And Peach is my hero.

[Damaris]

Business. I want my kid to take business classes for sure. Like, I want to lean heavy into business.

[Rory]

Like, Peach, to me, is like what Jadakiss was talking about. The guy that was better than Jordan, but he went up north. Like, imagine if Peach would have had the same opportunities that, like, all these Photoshop people had. Peach taught himself on the yard.

[Damaris]

The yard being Duse Palooza Tour bus.

[Rory]

Is hilarious, serious, and was better than everyone.

[Mal]

Did you see the WNBA Team USA game?

[Rory]

Of course I did. I didn't just watch the highlights.

[Mal]

You make a joke.

[Rory]

I fully support women.

[Mal]

No, listen, that game was one. That game might be better than the All Star Game.

[Rory]

Doesn't shock me when you say that. The highlights I watched were crazy.

[Damaris]

I saw the end. I couldn't catch the whole thing.

[Mal]

That was a really, really good game. That was a really. A really, really good.

[Rory]

What was Shorty's name? That was lights out. She was taking the most ridiculous shots.

[Mal]

Is it Ara?

[Rory]

Ar? Did you really watch?

[Damaris]

Yeah. I'll pull it up for you.

[Rory]

It's hard to say she's African.

[Mal]

Ar.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mal]

I mean, I'mma try. Ar. I'm. Listen, I might butcher your last name.

[Rory]

The white commentators got it right in the highlights I saw.

[Mal]

All right, let me try. Try it. Ar.

[Rory]

You said it like a white person trying to use an African accent.

[Mal]

No, I said it like somebody. I didn't want to ruin their last name.

[Rory]

Ogun Moale.

[Mal]

Ogun Bawal.

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Mal]

Ogun Ogun Boale.

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Mal]

Ara Arike. Ogun Boale. Yeah, she's one of the best. She's one of the best guards in the league, though. Like, her game. Is she. You know, if you haven't seen her play, that was your first time. That didn't surprise me. Like, her performance like she's super, super nice one mvp.

[Damaris]

Well deserved mvp.

[Rory]

She was pulling up from anywhere.

[Mal]

No, she's ice cold. And she put that shit on too. She can dress. She got a lot of style with her. But she's definitely one of the best players in the league. But that game was really, really like I watched it because I was ready to shit on it.

[Damaris]

Why did they shit on it?

[Mal]

Not ready to shit on the women.

[Rory]

But like the whole, it was a weird concept.

[Mal]

That's what I wanted to shit on. I wanted to shit on that. But it turned out to be a really, really dope game. It was a sold out, sold out game.

[Rory]

And I like the concept for this year because that also allows women that probably wouldn't have made the All Star roster to be on the WNBA team. And then let the USA team play to together like get some more reps in because it is an Olympic year.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So like let them play as a team and then that gives players like I don't know what Caitlyn Clark, Angel Reese even make it if it was right the full just east, first West.

[Mal]

Yeah. Well they would get voted in for sure.

[Rory]

Out of popularity.

[Mal]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Rory]

But I think some women that wouldn't have been in the All Star game played.

[Mal]

No, I, I, I enjoyed it. It, it, it worked. It was exciting. It was fun to watch. Watch. And I think they, you know, the WNBA found something, something good with this right here. So Shout out to the wnba. Shout out to Team usa.

[Rory]

Shout out to Cheryl Miller, my favorite Nick of all time.

[Mal]

Cheryl Miller is your favorite Nick? That's funny.

[Rory]

Someone will get that joke.

[Mal]

No, of course. But yeah, shout out to Arike. This is our second All Star All Star Game mvp. She's super nice. But I like what they, I like what the WNBA did. I like this format at. I like the game. It was exciting and hopefully they, you know, continue with this moving for. I don't see why they wouldn't. It was so successful and the game was so great. So shout out to them. Did y'all see the Team USA almost lost? Yeah, to, to South Sudan. Y'all don't listen to me, man. I'm telling y'all this Team USA team is not. I don't see gold. I don't see it. I just don't, I don't, I. Obviously the roster is talented, but there's some, there's some gaps. There's some, there's some, there's some chinks in the armor.

[Rory]

It's that plus timing where international basketball is at its highest it's ever been, but it's not. And most competitive that it's ever been at. I agree with like when the Dream Team existed. Of course that's the Dream Team, don't get me wrong. But international basketball was not.

[Mal]

But it's not what it is today. But it's not.

[Rory]

Not when like the top five best players are not from America.

[Mal]

It's not that. It's not. Yes, the. The world has gotten better in significantly, you're right. But the NBA. The style of play in the NBA has also just turned into let's just shoot threes. Whereas in the 90s it was more.

[Rory]

Let'S elbow people in the face, more.

[Mal]

Physical attack the basket. It was that style of play play. So now if you talking about all we got to do is just be able to shoot and we might beat y'all, of course the rest of the world is going to seem like they're on the same level, gotten better because it's like, oh, we just out here shooting threes. That's all we doing.

[Rory]

Change to a 3, 2 defense in the Olympics.

[Mal]

That's crazy. Seeing somebody run zone in the Olympics is like a f. What are y'all doing?

[Rory]

In cyo we ran three, two. Anytime there was big shooters, we ran the three, two.

[Damaris]

Did Syracuse make that popular or was.

[Mal]

It three point shooter?

[Rory]

No, they. They made the two, three. Pop the zone.

[Damaris]

Zone. That's what I was talking about.

[Rory]

Not popular per se, but they were the best at it. They ran that 2, 3 system when I was a kid. That was their go to when I.

[Damaris]

Was growing up and I was playing basketball, like that was like known like as our thing.

[Rory]

Like even when we were in Syracuse was definitely the 2, 3 team for a very long time.

[Mal]

I would have broke that Demaris press so easily. Skip past. Skip basket. Three point shot. Yeah, yeah. I gotta come out of that zone now.

[Rory]

Just collapse the zone. Penetrate.

[Mal]

Come out of that zone. That shit ain't working. Working come out of it. But yeah, to send me this, this Team USA because I'm seeing people saying it's better than the original Dream Team and all this other.

[Rory]

No one's. Not one person has said that.

[Mal]

No, a lot of people have said that. Who online?

[Damaris]

A lot of people have said nobody.

[Rory]

Thinks this team is better than the original team.

[Mal]

All right, Peach, have you seen anything online where they're saying this team is better talent, More talent on this team than the first dream team.

[Rory]

Only LeBron James has probably tweeted that.

[Mal]

The talent, talent. I understand what they're saying. I'm just saying, like, they're saying that probably skill set, one on one, maybe. But as far as just talent and being able to play the game of basketball, that 92 team was fucking ridiculous. Ridiculous. Steph Curry, we know what he does. Anthony Edwards, great young player. LeBron, one of the greats. Kevin Durant, one of the greats. Derrick White, I don't even know how he's on his team, but whatever. Tyrese Halliburton, really good young point guard like him. But he's not better than Stockton to me. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's. Does he have a better skill set than Stockton? Some might say he does. Joel Embiid or Patrick Ewan. Some people say Joel has a better skill set than Patrick Ewan. I'm not taking Joel Embiid over Patrick Ewan. I'm not taking Anthony Davis over David Robinson. But some people will. Some people say that they're better players. That is not going to translate. The bottom line is I do not think that this Team USA is going to win gold. I think they're going to get.

[Rory]

I'm not against you on that. That's. When you said we don't listen to you. When did we say otherwise? I don't know if they're going to win. The goal.

[Mal]

I think this Team USA team is going to.

[Rory]

I don't think any of these guys even really like each other. I think that whole AAU shit that they tried to do years ago is dead.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I actually like that finally, all the NBA players don't like each other. And it's not based off competition. It's based off bitches. But I'm so happy that finally, finally, that is over. I don't think any of these guys like each other.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Thank God the women made NBA competitive again.

[Mal]

Thank God.

[Rory]

Because that whole AAU that they was trying to do, everyone being friends. I'm cool, bro. I don't know. This is gonna be a fun Olympics, though.

[Mal]

It's gonna be interesting. It's gonna be fun to watch. I do think that Team USA is gonna come up short. I think they get silver. I don't know if they get the gold.

[Rory]

I think Bronnie should have been on the team, to be honest. I think he's.

[Mal]

Don't do that.

[Rory]

I think he's paid his dues. I think it would have been cool to have.

[Mal]

Don't do that. Don't do that.

[Rory]

He should have been on the team.

[Mal]

Don't do that. That, bronnie. Looked. He looked. He looked. He looked decent. That last last couple summer league games look like he's kind of finding his legs a little bit. I'm rooting for Bronny, man. I'm rooting for him. He got the weight of the world on his shoulders. If he doesn't play well, he'll be homeless in a year or two.

[Rory]

He'll definitely be homeless. Weight of the world. If he fails, what is he going to do?

[Mal]

It's over. Life is over. But no, I am rooting for Bronny, man. I am rooting for him. I hope he plays. I hope he. Hope he plays well, and I hope he, you know, makes good on the Lakers draft pick because he got everybody waiting for him to fail. So I'm rooting for you, Bronny.

[Damaris]

I'm rooting for you, Bronny.

[Mal]

Well, we be back in a couple days. New Roaring Mall tickets are available now for our live shows. Philadelphia this Thursday, July 25th. We are at the City Winery. Some tickets are still available now, but they are going fast. So get your tickets now. We'll be there in a couple of days. Down in Philadelphia. Going to see the good people in Philadelphia. Rory, see them for. For a few hours. So, yeah, get your tickets now, newroy mall.com and we'll talk to y'all in a few days. Be safe, be blessed. I'm that. He's just ginger. Peace.

[Damaris]

New warrior now.