Episode 295 | Hip-Hop Media Isn’t Demure

Summary

Podcast Summary: New Rory & MAL – Episode 295 | "Hip-Hop Media Isn’t Demure"

Introduction

In Episode 295 of New Rory & MAL, released on August 20, 2024, hosts Rory and Mal delve into a spirited discussion about the current state of hip-hop media, exploring themes of authenticity, media critique, and the evolving landscape of music songwriting. Joined by guests Damaris and Julian, the episode offers a blend of humor, personal anecdotes, and heated debates that exemplify the show's signature blend of new stories, laughs, and unsolicited hot takes.

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1. Upcoming Shows and Initial Banter

The episode kicks off with Rory and Mal announcing their upcoming performances in the Midwest, specifically Detroit and Chicago. Rory expresses excitement about seeing MAL perform live, referencing his "8 Mile moment" and the anticipation of his live rap performance.

• Rory [00:00]: "Detroit, we will be there August 22nd. Chicago. We will be there August 25th..."
• Mal [00:24]: "Tickets available [e-mail] but he's going to rap."

This segment sets a lively tone, emphasizing their enthusiasm for connecting with fans and showcasing MAL's talents on stage.

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2. Debate on Songwriting: Mariah Carey vs. Drake

A significant portion of the episode centers around a heated debate regarding the songwriting prowess of Mariah Carey compared to Drake. The discussion evolves into a broader conversation about what constitutes "good" songwriting and the criteria for evaluating artists' lyrical abilities.

• Rory [02:25]: "We was one bab for a moment in time."
• Damaris [10:26]: "And he said, no, I'm linked them. No, you're not."

The hosts and guests dissect various aspects of songwriting, questioning the versatility and depth of Mariah Carey's lyrics versus Drake's genre-spanning contributions. Damaris emphasizes Mariah's recognition in the songwriting community, highlighting her induction into the Songwriters Hall of Fame and endorsements from industry peers like Jermaine Dupri.

• Damaris [21:32]: "Number one, they said she been inducted in sooner and they said it was due to her being discredited because she was a woman."
• Rory [14:13]: "Taylor Swift would be one that we know is crazy with the pen."

The debate touches on the importance of lyrical complexity, genre versatility, and industry recognition. Mal and Julian challenge Rory’s assertions, defending Drake's multifaceted songwriting abilities and questioning the parameters Rory uses to determine superior songwriting.

• Mal [16:22]: "All right, so what other type of... Drake writes rap records. He writes pop records. He writes R B records. He writes dance records."

The conversation underscores the subjective nature of evaluating artistic merit, with each participant bringing personal biases and industry knowledge to the forefront.

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3. 4040 Club Activation Experience

Shifting from songwriting, the hosts recount their experiences at the 4040 Club activation at the Javits Center. Rory describes the event as a blend of family-friendly activities and adult-themed parties, highlighting the contrast between different areas of the convention center.

• Rory [03:25]: "I can't say I'm like a convention guy, per se. You did have to walk through everything to get to the 4040 spot."
• Damaris [04:49]: "Yes."

They discuss the club's atmosphere, the efforts of the organizers, and speculate on future expansions of the 4040 Club. The hosts commend Rock for executing the activation effectively, noting its replication accuracy and the overall fun atmosphere despite their initial reservations.

• Rory [04:49]: "So she's not gonna know about the bet. That..."
• Damaris [04:53]: "They're reopening the same one like the one in the city."

This segment provides listeners with insight into event planning within the hip-hop community and the blend of entertainment styles that appeal to diverse audiences.

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4. Handling Criticism and Media Dynamics

A substantial part of the discussion revolves around the dynamics of critiquing other podcasters and media personalities. The hosts debate whether it's appropriate for podcasters to openly critique one another, considering their public platforms and the potential for drama.

• Damaris [56:31]: "Do y'all think it's fair that podcasters can critique other podcasters?"
• Rory [57:28]: "No one is above any of this. Yeah, we're allowed to be critiqued."

Rory argues against the notion that media figures are untouchable, emphasizing that critique is inherent to the genre and essential for growth. Damaris likens the situation to "Mean Girls," highlighting how drama attracts views but ultimately detracts from meaningful discourse.

• Mal [59:40]: "People love drama. People just love when it's somebody's gonna curse somebody out or say something crazy about somebody."
• Rory [63:39]: "I've been on that podcast included, because they're not. For what?"

The conversation evolves into reflections on the evolution of media, the shift towards self-promotion and drama, and the impact of social media on podcasters' interactions. The hosts underscore the challenges of maintaining authenticity while navigating an environment that often rewards conflict over collaboration.

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5. Personal Anecdotes and Social Interactions

Towards the latter half of the episode, Rory shares personal stories about being approached on the streets by persistent individuals, leading to humorous and reflective exchanges about social interactions and personal boundaries.

• Rory [92:07]: "He was persistent because he thought you was gay."
• Mal [93:42]: "It's been like four days. He's still thinking about him."

These anecdotes serve to humanize the hosts, providing listeners with relatable moments and showcasing the show's blend of candid storytelling and light-hearted banter.

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6. Listener Q&A: Social Media Etiquette Post-Breakup

In the final segment, the hosts address listener questions regarding social media behavior following a breakup. They discuss the etiquette of unfollowing exes and their families, weighing personal boundaries against social expectations.

• Damaris [106:39]: "Is it weird if you unfollow them and their family pretty quickly?"
• Rory [111:21]: "I'm not gonna get on this mic and be like, yo, I think your trash now."

The guests offer varied perspectives based on personal experiences, emphasizing that responses should depend on the nature of the breakup and the relationships involved. Mal and Julian highlight the importance of understanding the context and maintaining personal peace over adhering to societal norms.

• Mal [108:09]: "If you call some dudes to run down on my boy, like, and he got jumped, I'm not."

This segment underscores the broader theme of the episode: navigating personal and professional relationships in a media-saturated environment.

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Conclusion

Episode 295 of New Rory & MAL provides a multifaceted exploration of hip-hop media, blending in-depth debates on songwriting with reflections on media dynamics and personal experiences. Through engaging dialogue and relatable anecdotes, Rory, Mal, Damaris, and Julian offer listeners a dynamic and entertaining perspective on the challenges and intricacies of navigating the modern media landscape.

Notable Quotes:

• Rory [14:13]: "Taylor Swift would be one that we know is crazy with the pen."
• Damaris [21:32]: "She's in a songwriter's hall of fame... every single man she's ever co-wrote with came on there and said, yeah, the lyrics are usually all Mariah."
• Mal [16:22]: "He writes rap records. He writes pop records. He writes R B records. He writes dance records."
• Rory [57:28]: "No one is above any of this. We're allowed to be critiqued."
• Mal [59:40]: "People love drama. People just love when it's somebody's gonna curse somebody out or say something crazy about somebody."
• Damaris [56:31]: "Do y'all think it's fair that podcasters can critique other podcasters?"

This episode encapsulates the essence of New Rory & MAL, offering listeners a rich tapestry of discussions that are both entertaining and thought-provoking.

Transcript

[Rory]

The week is here. Detroit, we will be there August 22nd. Chicago. We will be there August 25th. We cannot wait to see the Midwest. St. Andrews hall in Detroit. City Winery in Chicago. Mall is going to have finally his 8 mile moment. I can't wait to see him rap live on stage.

[Mal]

It's not happening, but we hope to see you there. Tickets available [e-mail] but he's going to rap.

[Damaris]

No warrior now.

[Rory]

We was one bab for a moment in time.

[Damaris]

Innocent everlasting that you would always be mine.

[Rory]

Now you wanna be free.

[Julian]

So I let you fly.

[Rory]

Cause I know in my heartbeat all love will never die. No.

[Damaris]

I want you definitely.

[Rory]

Boy, don't you know you can't escape me? Oh darling.

[Mal]

Cause you'll always be my bab.

[Damaris]

And.

[Rory]

Mo, I held it down for you this weekend.

[Mal]

This weekend?

[Rory]

Yes. Down.

[Mal]

How? When people say like that and saw.

[Rory]

Some pod ops and said, don't play with the NRM name. Keep Mo's name out your mouth. Lex. Lex P. You think it's a game when you see me?

[Mal]

Lex. What's up with Lex, man?

[Rory]

I saw Lex for the first time in a minute. It was good to see her.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But I told her, stop playing with your name. I didn't like that.

[Mal]

I mean, did you tell it? Did you. Did you tell her that you're gonna vote?

[Rory]

We didn't get that far in the conversation. But that's more of like a catch of like how you been? Like, what's going on in life. Because I like Lex a lot. I started with, yo, don't play with Mall's name.

[Mal]

I appreciate that. Thank you, man.

[Rory]

Like, even security looked over like, damn, he about to go off.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So she knows what time it is now.

[Mal]

Thank you, man. I appreciate that. I need. You need friends like that. You need friends that see your ops out.

[Rory]

That's going to run down on a woman.

[Mal]

Yeah, run down. Let her know, like, we not playing those type of games. Watch your mouth. You know what I mean? Not the Lex, though.

[Rory]

I was shocked that. Well, I wasn't shocked whatsoever. But I did want to see you at the 4040 activated over the weekend. Because you did the 440 for real. Like, you would never go to some pretend.

[Mal]

I don't do active.

[Rory]

You wouldn't go to the Javits Center?

[Mal]

No, definitely not. I don't do activations.

[Rory]

You were scared of Michael Rubin?

[Mal]

No, I never met Michael Rubin. But, you know, it would have been good to see him after, you know, his statements last Week.

[Rory]

Well, I did not see him, but I mean, I feel like the Javitscent. The Javits center was built by the Westies, so like. Yeah, I felt at home. No matter whose event it was or who was there. That's like. That's Irish to me. The Javits Center. You're welcome. New York City.

[Mal]

Yeah. And thank God we never had to use the JavaScript Javitston during COVID for like dead bodies and stuff like that.

[Rory]

No, we had the.

[Mal]

Then that would have been weird that they have a 4040 in the same place where they house dead bodies during the pandemic.

[Rory]

Now it's the cruise ship.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Goes from here to Alaska. But I went to Fantastic Fest on the last day.

[Mal]

Fantastic festival fanatics.

[Rory]

Same, right?

[Mal]

No, it's not.

[Rory]

They could use some Fantastic.

[Mal]

Well, fantastic is a great.

[Rory]

They were using on the tables.

[Julian]

That's a great cleaner Fantastic Four.

[Rory]

It was a bunch of tables, so.

[Mal]

Yeah, of course a bunch of fanatics too.

[Rory]

Just went over y'all hood. So I went to Fanatic Fest. Cass was speaking, went to go support my friend. And then I stopped by the 4040 activation, which was cool. For those that haven't been to the 4040, they really recreated the entire thing in the Java Center.

[Mal]

Yeah, I saw a bunch of clips online. They definitely replicated it to a T almost. It was. I thought it was actually the 4040 for real. So. Okay, that's pretty cool. But definitely had no desire to go.

[Rory]

But it was. I mean, it was. It was cool. I can't say I'm like a convention guy, per se. You did have to walk through everything to get to the 4040 spot. So, I mean, I did see the whole thing and it was cool. It was definitely family friendly until you got into the 4040 club. And then it was tequila and. And volume one raps party time.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

The difference between the two was just hilarious. Watching like, kids just want to go find some anime shit. Just walking past loud rap music and people drinking way too much Doucet and tequila.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

At 8:00am yeah. Because it was during the day.

[Mal]

Yeah. No, that's how you supposed to party, though. Party at 8am and start drinking at 9.

[Rory]

And then you had to get to the bathroom. It was like on the other side of the convention center. So you would just watch drunk people with full glasses just cut through kids activations. It was interesting, but I had a lot. I had a lot of fun shout out to Rock. They did a really good job with the 4040 thing. I don't. Is this a rollout for something Hove's doing, or did he just feel like he wanted to do?

[Mal]

They're open up. I believe they are opening another 40. 40?

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Rory]

Okay. Where's that gonna be at?

[Julian]

Not another.

[Rory]

They're reopening the same one?

[Damaris]

Yes. Yeah, technically, yes. They're reopening the same one like the.

[Rory]

One in the city.

[Julian]

I don't think they're gonna go for the same location, but the plan is, I think in a year or so, it's time to open the club.

[Rory]

This is how out of the loop I AM. Is the 4040 on 25th in Broadway?

[Julian]

It's been closed. It's been closed.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Julian]

For over a year.

[Damaris]

The last party they did there was like. I think the party that they do for, like, your birthday.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Damaris]

Every year. I think that was one of the last parties.

[Rory]

Oh, wow. Damn, that's great. It just shows how much I haven't been outside. I mean, I assume they were gonna open one if they end up getting that Caesar's palace thing. Oh, but I. There would be one there, but. Yeah. I don't know, man. I always liked the 4040 Club.

[Mal]

I do, too.

[Rory]

Does that make me, like, a tourist? I always thought it was a cool spot.

[Mal]

The 4040 Club, to me was always like, a cooler version of, like, ESPN Zone.

[Rory]

Yeah, more or less.

[Mal]

You know, I mean, when they closed ESPN Zone, that broke my heart. That was, like, my favorite little place to go watch games, fights, whatever. So the 4040, was that it just. I think they. They. They just needed to be a bigger space, though.

[Rory]

You think?

[Mal]

Honestly, yeah. I think they need. Because if it's gonna. If you're gonna have a sports bar, sports club, it needs to be a little big now. If you get a private room, then you don't. It doesn't matter which.

[Rory]

I mean, we've done, you and I, plenty of times.

[Mal]

Why wouldn't we?

[Rory]

That was our thing.

[Mal]

Why wouldn't we?

[Rory]

But why wouldn't we? Mad reasons why we wouldn't.

[Mal]

But. Yeah. Nah, they definitely need to open a new one because it is a good spot to go. And, you know, if you're in the city and a game or fight is on, it's a good spot to go to.

[Rory]

I wasn't the only one outside I saw Damaris was out getting skin to skin.

[Mal]

Skin to skin.

[Rory]

She was doing some body rolls.

[Mal]

Where was Damaris? Damaris been outside for the last three months.

[Damaris]

You know where I haven't been, though? The pool. That's where I haven't been.

[Mal]

You was just at a pool. You was just at a pool showing ass. I just saw you.

[Rory]

Well, that's where you did.

[Julian]

Yeah, that was like a weird.

[Mal]

We didn't even know you was in New York. That looked like you was in Mexico somewhere.

[Julian]

That was Newark Mall.

[Damaris]

You want to tell people how you let me down again? Like every other man in my life. Down.

[Mal]

I didn't let you down.

[Julian]

You got to start relying on him.

[Mal]

I didn't let you down. I didn't. I did not let you down. How did I let you down?

[Damaris]

Can we roll the clip, Julian, please? Oh, you know how you let me down.

[Mal]

How did I let you down?

[Damaris]

I lost the fucking bet to Rory. You had me losing to white men.

[Mal]

You betting white men. You gonna lose anyway. You shouldn't bet white men. You know that.

[Damaris]

So I made a plan with Ma to link him. And me and him are supposed to be getting a cabana tomorrow and going.

[Rory]

To cabana with Dan. Okay, my bad.

[Damaris]

Me and Rory are making a bet. Ma doesn't notice that if Ma doesn't.

[Mal]

Link what she said right there, Ma doesn't notice. Right? So that clears me of anything.

[Rory]

No, no, no. You didn't know about the bet. That.

[Mal]

So that clears me of this.

[Rory]

No. You guys on Thursday afternoon discussed meeting up the next day to go to the pool potentially. You guys even discussed potentially.

[Mal]

We didn't put nothing in. We didn't put nothing in ink.

[Damaris]

You sick.

[Rory]

And then I did.

[Mal]

We. Did we put it in ink? Or did I say, yo, I'mma hit, I'mma hit so and so and try to see if I could get plans.

[Julian]

With your friends in ink is crazy. No, but I'm just going to put that out there.

[Mal]

Nothing was set, though. What are you talking about?

[Julian]

Nothing was contract to go hang out.

[Mal]

Nothing was set. We didn't set a time. We didn't set a place. Nothing. We. We. We. We discussed different locations. I said, yo, let me head home and see if we can get a cabana at that pool.

[Damaris]

But why does that matter, though? When, before you even thought about that, we had other pools lined up. Okay? If they. If. If they couldn't do it, we could have went to other places in New York. Mad of them.

[Rory]

So Damaris, I could just tell, like, you can see, like, when a. A young child is starting to get their hopes up, like, dad's really going to pick them up that weekend. And like, you want to tell him, like, yo, your dad's a piece of shit. He's really not coming to the game. Like, you should just focus on the game. He's not going to be.

[Julian]

He's still looking for those cigarettes.

[Rory]

So I'm trying to tell him when you. You were on the other side of the office and I went to Damaris and I said, you know he's not Lincoln, right?

[Julian]

He's not linking.

[Rory]

Like, don't put a deposit down on that cabana. Don't have Ciroc bottles show up because Mall's not going to be there.

[Mal]

That's not true, though. That's not true. I hit homie. He hit me back. Said his people wasn't there at Dumbo this weekend. I was like, all right, cool. And I woke up late. I woke up at like 1:00 and called Damaris.

[Rory]

So we had to be fair.

[Damaris]

We were supposed to be at the pool at 12:30. He called me at 1:00 to cancel.

[Mal]

I called her as soon as I woke up. Soon as I woke up, I called her.

[Damaris]

But you knew your ass had to wake up to talk to me. So why did you go to bed at 4 o'clock in the morning, Ma?

[Mal]

That's just how the night went. Like, sometimes you just look up and it's 5 o'clock and you're like, damn, I gotta go to sleep.

[Rory]

What were you doing?

[Mal]

I was in the city.

[Rory]

Okay?

[Mal]

I went to go eat, and then we went by my boy's studio, smoking and chilling. And then I was like, yo, it's like 3:30.

[Damaris]

So you wasn't doing real.

[Mal]

I mean, that was real. Was really chilling.

[Julian]

They made. They signed the contract. He had to jail.

[Mal]

I was really chilling. And then I was like, yo, I'm taking my ass back home.

[Rory]

What type of studio was it?

[Mal]

It was a recording studio.

[Rory]

Okay. You maybe get the urge. I've never saw the recording equipment and just.

[Mal]

I've never gotten.

[Julian]

You didn't do a response to Rory? You didn't like Channel?

[Mal]

No.

[Rory]

There's no way you didn't see a microphone and at least think of a four.

[Mal]

I promise you a two and a half. I promise. I've seen plenty microphones in my life and never thought I'm gonna go in there and lay something down.

[Rory]

It's.

[Mal]

That thought has never crossed my mind. Not one time. I promise you that.

[Rory]

I saw. I saw Lenny at the 4040 thing. And he put a camera in my face and said, rap. And I was like, do I? Am I now one of those rappers that needs to have a 16 in the tuck?

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Rory]

Like I was on the spot. I felt like a fraud. Like, I couldn't wrap this single.

[Mal]

You wasn't really living your rhymes.

[Julian]

Bar for bar.

[Rory]

Yeah, like, trying to get that off over the music at 40.

[Mal]

40 would have been. It's just not. It's not the same. It just don't. It don't hit the same as the parking lot.

[Rory]

But finish this, because Damaris and I did have a bet about this entire thing.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

And he said, no, I'm linked them. No, you're not.

[Damaris]

If Maul links me, Rory has to do 25 push ups on Cam. And if he doesn't link me, I have to do 25 push ups on Cam. So, Ma, I'm putting my faith in you. Please don't let me down.

[Mal]

See, that's where you went wrong. You should have let me know that you made the bet.

[Rory]

Let's do 100. That's how confident you imagine she took that hundred. Do you want to spread this out? Like, how do you want to do it? So 25 straight in the beginning.

[Damaris]

So I text Maul first thing in the morning.

[Julian]

I'll do them for you.

[Damaris]

I text Maul, and now Coach. I'm like, now it's Coach Carter. I text Mall. I'm like, what's up with the eyes? No response, Mind you. This was around 9am, 10am, mind you. We were supposed to be there 1230, dead first dub. So I'm like, all right.

[Rory]

He was on the.

[Damaris]

I go on Twitter about him. I go. I go on Twitter, start talking shit about him. I'm like, yo, I'mma expose Ma if he don't. If he flakes on me, I'm exposed.

[Mal]

Me for what?

[Damaris]

Right?

[Julian]

Screenshots.

[Mal]

What is exposing me exposed.

[Damaris]

So then, 9 goals, 10 goals, 11 goals, 12 goals. Mind you, I done already exposed him in a conversation that we'll get to later. But already on Twitter, I found that.

[Rory]

Kind of funny, though, to backtrack. You did your exposing before he even had a chance to call you. You're like, I'mma expose him if he don't call. But just to let you know, he thinks Drake is better than Mariah. I was like, well, there goes the whole game.

[Mal]

I think Drake is better than Mariah.

[Damaris]

No, I expo. What I said was, I'mma tell y'all the dumb ma say if he don't respond to me. I gave him an hour and a half to respond. He didn't respond still. Then I tweeted. Then he calls me. The.

[Mal]

The.

[Damaris]

The tweet has 500 retweets already. He. I send him that video. He calls me Bonnet on smoking. Like, yo, get the off.

[Mal]

I'm saying, yo, I'm not gonna lie.

[Damaris]

Bonnet on smoking, huh? Like he was my baby mother.

[Mal]

That's breakfast. You know, you got to wake up. And I'm saying, so how did this.

[Rory]

Conversation go once you guys finally connected?

[Damaris]

No, I told him you was wild. I knew you was gonna do this to me like you always do, and that I told Twitter to dump Baby.

[Mal]

D. Sound like one of my. You know me. I gotta take her out now. I gotta take you out because you think I ain't shitting now?

[Damaris]

You're not begging n for nothing no more in 2024.

[Mal]

Yo, but why you be giving me the energy that you be having for these other niggas, though, like. Cause that energy is not for me.

[Damaris]

You act like these other niggas.

[Mal]

No, I don't.

[Damaris]

How worse, actually.

[Mal]

How? That's crazy.

[Rory]

You set expectations and you don't meet them.

[Mal]

That's crazy.

[Rory]

What's. What's the daughter saying? Blow to Boston George. Yo, I thought you couldn't live without your heart.

[Damaris]

Yeah, left.

[Rory]

Left. Trying to go to California with a suitcase and everything. They got schools in Cali, too. She brought a notebook.

[Mal]

So that's the same here. It's the same type of thing. Okay, but what was you exposing on Twitter?

[Damaris]

The conversation that we had off Mike.

[Julian]

A couple days ago, which should have been on Mike about what?

[Rory]

Which we can have now. But I. I was kind of on that 50 mean of, like, what you say me for? How did I get dragons?

[Damaris]

Oh, no.

[Mal]

People.

[Rory]

My mentions, like, Roy, your credibility shot. I was like, I didn't even know.

[Damaris]

This was the crazy thing was they was just calling m stupid, but they always call m stupid for his music takes. That's nothing new.

[Mal]

But what music take was stupid?

[Damaris]

They were like, rory, you made an R and B album, and you don't know mar. You're not familiar with Mariah's pen. Oh, they was on your ass.

[Rory]

I don't think it's crazy. I was very honest that obviously I'm familiar with her discography, but I never went and, like, checked the credits. And I've never heard the rumblings that, like, Mariah was this writer, you know, the artist that we know with the pen, like, it's within the world. I've never heard you think of them.

[Damaris]

Who?

[Mal]

Who?

[Damaris]

So if. Could you name them? What artists do you know for a fact are crazy with their pen? That they are actually artists?

[Julian]

True.

[Damaris]

Let's not do. Let's not do rappers for the sake of it. Let's do R B singers.

[Rory]

Adele.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

Crazy with. Are we talking, like sort of current? More or less.

[Damaris]

You could do whatever whenever.

[Rory]

Victoria Monet, we know is crazy with the pen.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

If you want to go superstars.

[Mal]

I.

[Rory]

Would say Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift would be one that we know is crazy with the pen. These are conversations that are had. I've just never heard that I could be mistaken, which I was saying in that conversation. You made it sound like I walked and was like, yo, Mariah can't write. I say, yo. I don't know. Inform me, let me know. I don't know because I thought a lot of it was JD bcox. That's just what I assumed, but I could be wrong.

[Mal]

So Damaris says, ma looked me dead in my face and told me Drake was a better songwriter than Mariah Carey and asked Rory for backup. And Rory says, I don't know. I'm not familiar with Mariah's pin. This is the I deal with. I don't know why you think that's a crazy take. Mariah Carey writes one type of song. Drake writes one type of music.

[Damaris]

That's also just not true.

[Mal]

R B and pop. What other type of music does Mariah write?

[Damaris]

So you just named two types of music.

[Mal]

All right, so what other type of. Because we know Drake does that as well.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Mal]

He also writes rap. He also writes house music. Oh, I mean, dance dance music. Don't call it house dance.

[Damaris]

Writing dance music doesn't require a crazy pen. It's dance music. The majority of the time you're dancing. I don't like it ain't like.

[Julian]

That's not.

[Mal]

What are you talking about?

[Damaris]

Okay, so. So dance music is known for having a, like, crazy lyrics, like the lyrics and the word play.

[Mal]

If you write. If you write a dope dance record. I'm just saying whether you. If you write a great dance album, if you're writing dance music and the album is great, that's a great year. That's great. No matter what it is. No matter what the genre is. I'm just saying Mariah Carey, we only know for R and B and pop. Drake writes rap records. He writes pop records. He writes R B records. He writes dance records. Like, I don't know how you even think that saying that Mariah's pin is better than Drake's. He, Drake writes more type of music than.

[Damaris]

Because you write more type of music doesn't mean that you write better music.

[Rory]

I'M still stuck on dance not having good lyrics.

[Damaris]

I didn't say it.

[Rory]

How deep is your love? Is it like the ocean to me is poetic?

[Damaris]

I didn't say it doesn't.

[Rory]

Have we found love? Pen is cra. Calvin Harris.

[Julian]

Calvin Harris is a genius.

[Mal]

I'm just saying. I don't know why you thought that was so crazy. I'm just saying Drake writes more types of J, different genres than Mariah.

[Damaris]

Okay. But that doesn't make it better songwriting. Okay, so let me just put.

[Mal]

And Drake is like the biggest artist probably, like, ever.

[Damaris]

So, like, oh, okay. What?

[Mal]

Like, so if he's writing all of this music or a lot of this music, we obviously know he has records written by other people. But if he's writing a lot of this music and he's one of the biggest artists ever in the world, how could you think that your statement of Mariah's pen is better than Drake's holds any weight?

[Rory]

A lot of people would say Drake doesn't write a lot of his music. That would be the response to what you're saying.

[Damaris]

I'm not even paying that attention because that. That's whatever. Like, I'm not. That I didn't even bring up that. I did find it funny. The people in my mentions that are like, mariah don't write. And I'm like, only one of them has ghost writing accusations. But I'm not going to bring that up because I do believe that Drake.

[Rory]

But there's no accusations in R B and pop. I do.

[Damaris]

I do think that Drake writes his stuff. So I don't even think that's a valid argument. My point. And so the whole. Let me just give some background on how. Because everybody's like, how did this even come to be an argument? I was sitting here. We were in Post Pro. Everybody was chilling, and I post crazy.

[Mal]

We were in what?

[Julian]

Post Pro, man. We were just hanging out.

[Damaris]

It was directly after a episode. We were not just hanging out.

[Rory]

All right, I'm on your side right now.

[Julian]

Anyway, big, big Post Pro crew.

[Damaris]

So we were sitting here, and I have Breakdown, which is a song by Mariah Carey and Bone Thugs stuck in my head. I kept humming it. So I said when I was listening, think listening to the lyrics that were in my head, I said, yo, Mariah Carey is one of the greatest songwriters of all time. And the reaction from everybody in the room was, of all time. Quote mall of all time. I said, yes, of all time. I'm standing on what I said. And he was like, shane, a better Songwriter than Drake.

[Mal]

I don't. Nah, that's not what happened. I did not say. See, I did not say that. I did not say that.

[Damaris]

You think I brought up Drake?

[Mal]

I didn't bring it up. I'm just say. She's not. I'm say to what you say, yo, she's not a better songwriter than Drake. I wouldn't even say that.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Mal]

First of all, I don't even talk about Drake as much as y'all make it seem like I do. Anytime I talk about Drake, I'm responding to what y'all saying. I wouldn't just say, yo, she's not a better songwriter than Drake. What are you talking. I probably didn't even hear the statement you made. If we being real.

[Rory]

Admittedly, I walked in mid conversation, so I don't know how it started. That's. Bro, I never backed me up. I don't know.

[Mal]

I'm telling you, I did not say that.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Mal]

That's why I don't even know about the tweet she talking about, because that. That. That conversation wasn't even that heavy on my mind. I wouldn't say she's not a better songwriter than Drake. I would never say that.

[Rory]

Be a weird conversation.

[Damaris]

So you would never say that. Right.

[Mal]

So in response to you saying, okay.

[Damaris]

But did you or did you not say that she wasn't a better songwriter than Drake? Did you or did you not say.

[Mal]

That further along in the conversation? But I'm not the one that said she's not a better songwriter than Drake. I didn't bring Drake up in that conversation.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

What? You did say that Drake is a better songwriter than her.

[Mal]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

Okay, cool.

[Mal]

Yeah, he writes different type of music. Mariah is R B and pop. If Mariah was. If she. If you tell me, yo, Mariah wrote Bone Thugs first on that Breakdown joint, I'll be like, God damn that. Now she. She in a whole nother category, but, like, she only. She's writing R and B and pop records like Drake is writing a bunch of different type of genres.

[Julian]

Is your metric the number of genres you can write for? Because what about if you could write.

[Mal]

For different types of genres and I'm only writing for R B specifically, or pop.

[Damaris]

So those are.

[Mal]

Of course you're a better songwriter than me. You write. That's like if you're fucking. If you're directing a whole bunch of different type of genres and movies. If I'm only directing horror films and you've directed comedies and.

[Julian]

Yeah, but what if those horror films are Oscar winning films. And you're just doing.

[Mal]

And I got Oscar women winning films as well. We're not talking about. No, we're talking about Drake here.

[Rory]

But. But it's a. It's a rare case because there's not that many writers that.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Write rap, R B, pop, and other. By your metric, you're saying being one of the greatest writers ever, Dream still really only writes R and B and pop.

[Damaris]

By your metrics, you're saying that Drake is a better songwriter than not only Mariah Carey, but the Dream, Jermaine Dupree Beecocks. You're saying that he's a better songwriter than all of those people, which I'm gonna call it Warren. All of those people.

[Mal]

Well, JD writes rap too, though.

[Rory]

Okay, so that, that is a fact.

[Damaris]

So rap And R B. JD is.

[Rory]

A better writer than Drake.

[Mal]

JD's a better writer than Mariah Carey.

[Damaris]

Mariah, JD might fight you on that.

[Mal]

No, he won't.

[Damaris]

Okay, y'all got Leacock's number. Call him. That's what I really wanted to say when we was having that conversation, but I had some more to go after y'all are on speaking terms with the Brian Michael Cox. Yeah, but call him and ask him his opinion on that and see what he says.

[Rory]

Call and ask the opinion between Drake and Mariah Carey as a pen wise or. Because I'm not asking him if Mariah writes all her shit because if she doesn't, he's going to be like, don't talk on a podcast about that.

[Damaris]

You keep like. I don't think you understand that what you're saying is like, disrespectful to Mariah. And I keep trying to inform you that it is disrespectful because Mariah, your.

[Rory]

Source so far has been. Trust me, I keep asking you. I'm ignorant. I don't know.

[Damaris]

And I keep Mariah. First of all, both Beacocks and Jermaine Dupri have been quoted to saying that Mariah Carey is one of the best songwriters that they've ever come into contact with. That's number one. Number two, she's in a songwriter's hall of fame. And when she went into the Songwriters hall of fame, the number one argument that people had was, she been inducted in sooner and they said it was due to her being discredited because she was a woman. So when you keep saying like, this is a question. This is a question, it's not a question. Every single man she's ever co wrote. Co wrote with came on there and said, yeah, we mainly produce the music, but the lyrics are usually all Mariah.

[Mal]

Great songwriter. I'm not arguing you on that.

[Damaris]

That's why I keep telling Rory's like, well, I don't know if she writes. I don't.

[Rory]

And I'm like, I didn't say it as if I asked you a question. I've never looked at the credits.

[Damaris]

And I keep telling you. Yes, okay, keep saying, well, might say she doesn't write. He's not going to say that.

[Rory]

Okay. With that information, if she wrote every last word of every single song, I still think Jermaine Dupri is a better.

[Damaris]

Okay, that's not. I'm not blaming you for thinking that. That's fine. Yeah.

[Mal]

Because it's not like every Mariah song is dope.

[Rory]

Of course not. Yeah.

[Mal]

So, I mean, just because you write everything don't mean, like, it's. It's dope.

[Rory]

But when I was just on the phone with Damaris over the weekend, I was not familiar that she wrote All I Want for Christmas is you. I just assumed that was a cover, and she just has the best one. This is how unfamiliar I am with her pen. I didn't know that was a Mariah original.

[Mal]

All I Want for Christmas.

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Mal]

She might be a. Her rendition. I think All I Want for Christmas.

[Rory]

Is a. I assumed it was a cover, and she just had.

[Mal]

I think she probably. Yeah, she probably wrote her rendition of it. But that. That record might be an old holiday. A Christmas record, though.

[Rory]

Best version for sure.

[Mal]

But.

[Rory]

Yeah, come on. Vince V. Wrote that. Like, what are we doing here?

[Damaris]

A lot of the people that were bringing up Always Be My Baby and saying that JD Wrote that, and that's her. One of her biggest songs. And JD Also came out and said that he didn't write the lyrics on that. Mariah Carey did. He wrote the music and helped with melody.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Damaris]

I just. I just want, like, I'm not here to. This was never supposed to be, like, a big thing, but when I realized that people really were not aware.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Of these things.

[Julian]

She faced a $20 million lawsuit for that record, by the way.

[Damaris]

Did she win it or did she lose it?

[Mal]

All I Want for Chris.

[Julian]

I'm assuming they settled because they.

[Rory]

She makes 20 million every December, so does it matter?

[Julian]

No, it's worth the suit. But I'm just saying, like, they were sued by.

[Damaris]

All I'm saying is this. And the reason why I brought that up, because I am familiar with Mariah's pen and the way that she puts intricately intricately puts words together. And the words that she uses, they call Mariah the human dictionary. Because the words that she uses are words you don't even think of.

[Julian]

Like Christmas.

[Damaris]

She has a. I'm obviously having this conversation.

[Rory]

That was fun.

[Mal]

That was fun. I'm not going to lie. That was. That was like Christmas.

[Julian]

Should we do a lyric?

[Mal]

Okay, let's do a lyric breakdown on Christmas, Christ and mass. You get it? Oh, that's. That's for me for good. Yeah.

[Rory]

Love ordering food during the pod.

[Mal]

I ordered that before I got here.

[Rory]

But do you think it's odd that I just didn't assume she was writing everything and it's not even a gender thing. Usher. I don't just assume Usher's pen is over everything. I don't assume Beyonce's pen is over everything. Rihanna's pet. Like pop stars in general, we don't typically think that they write.

[Mal]

It doesn't matter for pop stars if they write or not.

[Rory]

I'm not. Whatever makes the best music. Yeah, but I also think Beyonce writes more than people give her credit for.

[Mal]

For sure.

[Rory]

Usher probably the same. I just never heard like Mariah when people were bringing up Prince. Just her name never got brought up. So it's just my ignorance, I guess. I love Mariah.

[Mal]

Mariah, better songwriter than Prince to you.

[Damaris]

I won't give my opinion on that.

[Mal]

Why?

[Damaris]

Because I just won't.

[Mal]

Nah, see, don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. I'm asking you a direct question, Baby D. Don't do that. Do you think Mariah Carey's a better songwriter than Prince?

[Damaris]

I won't give my opinion.

[Julian]

You can infer that. She says yes.

[Damaris]

You don't infer a fuck ass thing.

[Julian]

I can. That's what an inference is. I'm making my own opinion.

[Mal]

So you, you, you, you don't want it. Why. But why won't you speak to that? Why won't you talk?

[Damaris]

Because I'm not familiar enough with Prince's this. I'm not as familiar with Prince's discography as I am Mariah. So it would be unfair for me to make that value.

[Rory]

So let's attack you then. Because that's how I feel when I said that too.

[Damaris]

Or do. Did I keep trying to. Or did I keep trying to inform you and you weren't taking the information.

[Rory]

Was that I was just asking for more. That was all.

[Damaris]

And I was. And you were like your sources. Trust me, bro. I'm like, no, that's not. I can start sending you sources, but you don't care about that. If I.

[Rory]

Yes, I do.

[Damaris]

If I'm a nerd. I love that type of exist. If I tell you these sources exist, you should know me and trust me well enough to know that I know what I'm talking about. Especially if it's something that I'm going this hard.

[Rory]

That's why I would even have the conversation, because I do trust your music taste and your music knowledge. People like us typically have more sources. That's why I was asking for them.

[Damaris]

Okay, I'll text them all to you.

[Rory]

That's all today. I just kind of want you to, like, answer that question if. If Prince is a better writer than. Right.

[Damaris]

I already said that. I'm not as familiar with Prince's discography as I am a rise. I'm not even as familiar with Prince's discography as I am Michaels. So.

[Rory]

I mean, that's most people.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

I wasn't really raised on Prince like that.

[Mal]

Is Mariah better songwriter than Michael Jackson?

[Damaris]

Michael, yes. Michael Jackson, yes.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Damaris]

Every. It's well known that the majority of Michael's number one songs were written for him. He had input in them. Yes, But I'm talking about Mariah goes in the studio by herself. JD says she don't even like to write her lyrics around people. She straight writes by herself. And the words that she uses are absolutely. And the way that she strings them together is insane. I think because her voice is so high and she makes pop music, people don't sit and listen to the things that she says, which, I mean, that happens. But.

[Rory]

So before we get to Michael, we are doing the male vocalist draft the way we did for the female vocalist1 on Patreon this week. Following week, should we do songwriters draft?

[Damaris]

I think that would take a little bit more.

[Rory]

I'm trying to go all the way nerd with it.

[Damaris]

Prep. I think it would take a little bit more prep. And we got two weeks research.

[Rory]

Yeah, we got two weeks.

[Julian]

Just off this search. Some songs Michael wrote for himself include Beat It, Billie Jean, Black or white, Dirty Diana, don't stop till you get enough, Heal the world and the way you make me feel.

[Damaris]

Does he have any co writers on those songs, Julian?

[Rory]

I'm sure.

[Damaris]

I'm sure he has.

[Rory]

I'm sure Mariah has co writers on some of them. For the most part wrote like co.

[Mal]

Writers exist running off Michael songs that he wrote this. That's a cheat code, bro. Billy G. Beat it. Like, Like. Are you kidding me?

[Damaris]

Look up the this writers for Billie Jean. I just want to see if there's one co writer or there's Tim.

[Mal]

Mariah has co writers too. We're not doing it.

[Damaris]

She's written with people. Sure, but she's known to like, you know what? Okay, okay.

[Julian]

But also back in the day, songwriter Michael Jackson.

[Rory]

Yeah, I mean Billie Jean sometimes, you.

[Mal]

Know, Mariah ain't got nothing as big as Billy Jean. Nothing. Billie Jean wiping.

[Rory]

I don't know. All I Want for Christmas. Mike, man. Might be the only song that could compete with.

[Mal]

Cut it out, man.

[Julian]

Beat it.

[Rory]

Have you been to Macy's?

[Mal]

They play Billie Jean all year long.

[Damaris]

Well that's nice to know.

[Mal]

All year long they play Billie Jean.

[Rory]

I mean according to Tank, Chris Brown's a better writer than Michael Jackson. And we can go there.

[Mal]

But wait, what?

[Rory]

We'll get there in one second. But I discredited Michael a bit when it came to his pen and writing music. Once I watched the documentary about We Are the World and Lionel Richie was talking about like all the. The tapes and DATs that Michael had in his house where he was just pretending to be instruments and like arranging actual songs with his voice for Quincy to then play. I think we don't give Michael the credit he deserves as far as a.

[Damaris]

Writer who doesn't think he gets.

[Rory]

Because I think what Damaris said is what most people think like Mike is the greatest entertainment. But. But Quincy and Lionel were doing a lot of the actual writing. I think a majority of people in the music world think that even though I've been to that studio in LA.

[Mal]

And like majority of people you can.

[Rory]

See Michael's like they have it framed of. I think it's Billie Jean actually of him writing the actual.

[Mal]

So you think a lot of people in the music business or people that are just fans of don't know about Michael spent.

[Rory]

I think a little bit of both. I'm talking about the people that care.

[Mal]

About people that are in people that.

[Rory]

Are fan doesn't give a fuck.

[Mal]

People that are writers know that Michael Jackson is a great. One of the greatest, if not the greatest songwriter.

[Rory]

But he the only thing that's discredited in his legacy, you know, outside of that whole plot from those. Those guys was that he wasn't the writer.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that is. That is. I agree. Word. I believe wrote more than people think he does. But that is a thing that Michael also like Beyonce. They say that they don't really write.

[Mal]

I want people to stop bringing up Michael Jackson's name whenever they Talk about music.

[Rory]

Well, no, Tank. Tank said Chris Brown is better in every category. Do we have that clip? Tank, who I deem like one of. I revere Tank when it comes to anything music.

[Mal]

Tank is a fucking phenomenal artist, writer, a dope person. I like Tank. I fuck with Tank. But if Tank is saying that Chris Brown is a better writer and a better producer and is better vocally than Michael Jackson, well, Tank is. He's sadly mistaken.

[Rory]

He was talking with Stephen A. Smith. Right. I believe, and was suggesting that Chris Brown is the evolution of everybody, whether it be Michael, him genuine, like Chris is that he's the evolution, which he made a. A great comparison. He said there's Magic Johnson and then there's LeBron James. That didn't tie it together for you?

[Mal]

No, not at all. I've never heard nobody compare, which is cool.

[Rory]

We all get behind a microphone or have an interview or talk with someone and say some outlandish shit. And as men, we need to walk back some of our statements. Tank did the opposite. He doubled down and explained his point further within the comments on ig. He said vocal ability, Michael Jackson, Chris Brown, Chris takes it there. Writing ability, Chris Brown is better. Producing ability, Chris Brown is better. Dancing ability, Chris Brown is better.

[Mal]

The only thing that I would ever even have even argue about Chris Brown being better than Michael is dancing. Yeah, I think I've had that. I've had that discussion. I feel like Chris is a. Is a better dancer than Mike. Chris is not a better entertainer. And Chris Brown has said this. He's spoken about this. He's not a better entertainer than Mike. And I don't even know how we. In 2024, we're even having this conversation, but it's not Michael Jackson. If Michael Jackson was in this era of social media where, you know, everything goes viral, performance, the shit, it wouldn't make any sense that anybody is that big of a star. You look at Michael's live performances now, today, and I mean, it's not even just. He was bigger than life. You know what I mean? Like, Chris is a great artist, great entertainer, has great music. I love Chris Brown. I think he's one of the best artists we've ever had. But we talking about Michael Jackson like, this is not even. It's not even in the same. It's not even in the same world. It's like Michael Jackson is otherworldly when you talking about entertainer and artist.

[Rory]

Well, I'm not here to advocate for the devil, I promise. Let's go through the categories. Maybe Tank has a point.

[Mal]

No, he doesn't.

[Rory]

Can we pull the. We've seen Michael Jackson dance before. Julian, can we go back to the categories? Vocal ability? You don't think it's a conversation between Michael Jackson and Chris Brown?

[Mal]

No.

[Rory]

You don't think Chris Brown is in the same conversation as Michael Jackson as a vocalist?

[Mal]

No, he's not.

[Damaris]

No.

[Mal]

I can go to when Michael Jackson was singing at 6, 7 years old and everything he was singing is better than anything Chris Brown has sung at 7 years old.

[Rory]

Not the songs vocal, just straight up raw vocals.

[Mal]

Yes. At 8, 7, 8 years old.

[Rory]

No. I love I'll be there too, but.

[Mal]

So what are we talking?

[Rory]

Most of both of their careers.

[Mal]

You want to go to the wall? Should I play off the Wall, the album for you?

[Rory]

I've heard.

[Mal]

So you get like vocals.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mal]

It's not. It's not even close.

[Rory]

I'm going to lean Michael to it. I think there's an actual conversation that someone could debate vocals.

[Mal]

No, it is not.

[Rory]

Another person I think is underrated when it comes to vocals is Christopher Brown. I don't think people fucking credit at all that he's in the conversation with Michael Jackson vocals.

[Mal]

That may be true, but you can't say somebody is underrated and then say there's a conversation that he may be better vocally than Michael Jackson. If there's even a conversation that you may be a better vocalist than Michael Jackson, then you're not underrated as a vocalist.

[Rory]

Okay, second category. And this is why I wanted to go through these. If we go by what you said with Drake versus Mariah of somebody that had the ability to write in different genres, Chris Brown, by your standard would be deemed the better writer than Michael Jackson. Chris has written raps, straight up R B, pop music, dancehall, Afrobeats. Chris has written everything and at a high level. So I see what Tank is saying, especially based off what you're saying. If someone has that vast of a pen where they can go in any genre and shine, I'm going to say Chris Brown might be a better writer than Michael Jackson. Not writing music, but writing lyrics.

[Mal]

Hell nah.

[Rory]

You sick as producing ability. I don't want to have that conversation. Michael Jackson.

[Mal]

The only conversation we should be having is dancing.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I agree.

[Mal]

And I'm with you. I'm with Tank on that. I think. I think Chris Brown is a better dancer than Michael Jackson. I don't think Chris Brown's a better entertainer than Michael Jackson, but I think he's a better dancer. But I also Think the. The twins are better dancers than Michael Jackson. Like, dancing. I don't think they're better entertainers.

[Rory]

But to his point of evolution, I can see it in the dancing. Like, I think Chris probably was more of an evolution of Usher than he was of Michael. Like, dancing just had to step up more and more from when the Jacksons were around.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So, you know, people weren't expecting Mike to do a backflip. We'd seen the moonwalk. Like, Chris now has to do something.

[Mal]

No, that's. That is the one thing that I always. I think. And I'm, you know, a huge Chris Brown fan. I'm one of the biggest Michael Jackson fans. That is the one thing that I will say Chris probably has over Mike is dancing entertainer. There's nobody that comes close.

[Damaris]

And this isn't. This isn't a slight to. I want to make this clear. This isn't a slight to Chris Brown.

[Mal]

You ain't got to make that clear. Just being in the same conversation as Mike is no slight.

[Damaris]

Exactly. Because this has happened with other debates that we have had where we debate. We, you know, compare two people and we say one is not better, and people get really offended. Like we're discrediting them. We're not discrediting.

[Mal]

Listen, Chris has spoken. Spoken on this, and he says, hell, no. Don't even put me in the same category as Michael Jackson.

[Rory]

I mean, the real debate is vocal ability, Michael, Chris Brown, or Quavo. Writing ability by Rory. Oh, my bad.

[Mal]

Y'all sounded sick. As I know you look at that clip every week and be like, yo.

[Damaris]

Oh, I was.

[Rory]

No, because I knew the context. We're not gonna have to go.

[Mal]

Yeah, but I wasn't. Know what conte.

[Damaris]

No, no, it doesn't matter.

[Rory]

I'm trying to get what context. Tell me the content. I don't have a context. I was wrong.

[Julian]

I was never even about music.

[Rory]

It was about notoriety.

[Julian]

It had nothing to do no matter.

[Mal]

What the it was about. Quavo is nothing, nowhere near Chris Brown. I don't know what context y'all talking about. Notoriety, hot on fire, socially street, brand wearing. I don't give a fuck what the fuck y'all was talking about. Quavo is never on any level with Chris Brown.

[Rory]

He wears rude better.

[Mal]

I don't give a fuck what he wears.

[Damaris]

Moving on. Do you think people ever had this conversation about Usher?

[Mal]

Usher and who?

[Damaris]

Usher and Chris Brown.

[Mal]

People.

[Rory]

We've had that conversation.

[Damaris]

But I just feel like people.

[Mal]

That's a better conversation.

[Damaris]

I feel like Niggas. Just skipped, like, and just went straight to Michael.

[Mal]

Y'all niggas better, man. Listen. But again, I love how Chris, when he spoke on it, he was like, don't even put me.

[Rory]

Leave me alone.

[Mal]

Yeah, like, don't even know. Like, I'm nowhere near Michael Jackson. Like, what are y'all talking about?

[Rory]

I'm trying to understand his basketball comparison, and I think I'm going to try to make one. In defense of Chris Brown maybe being better as far as attributes, but not the better player. There's probably people that dribble better than LeBron, shoot better than LeBron, probably rebound.

[Julian]

Statistically, you can see it.

[Rory]

But when it comes down to it, LeBron is a better scorer, he's a better player. His dribble is not better than people that are under him.

[Julian]

Kyrie Irving.

[Rory]

I'm not even saying different players with each attribute. I think there's probably a straight up player that can dribble, shoot, rebound, everything better than LeBron. When you go through each stat, the way they broke this down, but they are not a better player than LeBron James. It's not even close. So I think that's what Tank was trying to get at. Like, if you break down each attribute. If this was NBA Live and you're doing creative player, like, Chris would have better stats, but he's not a better player. Like, just look at the discography.

[Mal]

He would. He would have better stats than who then?

[Rory]

Mike, if you're going.

[Mal]

Nobody has better stats than Mike. What are you talking about right now?

[Rory]

I mean, Tank broke it down, man.

[Mal]

Gotta listen, bro. I love Tank, but Drake got more.

[Damaris]

Number one hits than him, so it's true.

[Mal]

And what that mean?

[Damaris]

Yo, I'm just saying you said stats, that's all.

[Mal]

Yeah, but this is a different streaming error. It's different. And you know that. You know that Drake can't go on no stage and stand there for five minutes and bitches start fainting. That's not happening.

[Damaris]

Well, I also think that a lot of that has to. And this is not shade to Michael. Y'all know how I feel about Michael. I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that Drake is so accessible. I think if Drake wasn't as accessible, I think that might be a different conversation. Accessible. Shut up, Julianne.

[Julian]

Sorry.

[Damaris]

Throat in accessible. Like, if he was. If he was like Michael in that, it's like, yeah, standing in front of Michael is insane. Because you can't do that anywhere. I go the Turks and see Drake, Houston, everything. What I'm saying, like, the same way would be the same when the last.

[Mal]

Time you watched a Michael Jackson performance, like a full performance.

[Damaris]

Let me say something, baby. I used to go to sleep. The Michael Jackson performances.

[Mal]

I'm saying, when was the last time?

[Damaris]

Maybe two weeks ago. I was getting ready to win.

[Mal]

There's nobody. There's nobody that ever will ever come close to me.

[Damaris]

I'm not comparing them at all. What I'm saying is when you simply off. When you said bitches aren't fainting when they see Drake. I think that's because of access. The same way that people might not faint when they see Drake.

[Mal]

I'm talking about on stage. I'm not talking about.

[Damaris]

I'm. And I'm.

[Mal]

No artist can just go on stage and stand there for five minutes and not say a single word and have people screaming to the top of their lungs and fainting. Nobody.

[Damaris]

Beyonce might get you a run for your money on that.

[Rory]

She fuck screaming. She made a whole, whole stadium get quiet. To me, that's tougher. I forgot. I forgot what comedian. It was said, yeah, can you make them laugh, but can you make them be quiet? That's when you're really talented at your craft. When you get everybody to stop what the they're doing and just listen.

[Damaris]

And then the people that were screaming, the people that were screaming during the mute challenge, other fans were swinging on them.

[Mal]

That ain't hard to do to get everybody to show.

[Rory]

Talking about on this level.

[Mal]

Oh, I mean, yeah, I guess. But Beyonce is one of those ones too that we put.

[Rory]

I think it was George Carlin close to that.

[Damaris]

But I also think that one of the reasons for that is the allure, the lack of access that you have to Beyonce. I think that is why.

[Mal]

Yeah, that. No, that adds to it. One of Mike's biggest attributes was his mystique, his aura. Like that was one of his biggest attributes. But, you know, I mean, with that comes. You have to be a big star as well, though, to have that mystique around you. So.

[Rory]

But. And not to make it a Drake thing. I do think we need to give him credit for adapting to the times. Like, he could have done the mystique thing, but that's not what's going on. I think Weeknd might be the only artist I can really think of Frank in the. Frank too, in the modern era that, like, what about sort of held him.

[Julian]

People that just kind of do stay off in the cut and are still don't do it.

[Rory]

A pop star, man. It's tough.

[Mal]

Yeah. But we can't just be throwing Frank Ocean name in the fucking hat. He ain't no Big. He ain't as big as none of these other artists we naming headlining Coachella.

[Julian]

He canceled it.

[Mal]

But, you know, y'all be making me sound like a hater on him. I don't care about none of these niggas enough to be a hater.

[Damaris]

You ain't about to fight with me about Chris Rock not being a list and then throw Frank Ocean in the conversation with Beyonce?

[Rory]

No, I'm Frank. Frank is not in that conversation. Even though I prefer Frank over the.

[Julian]

Weekend, I'm saying he's a big artist that does that, uses that mystique successfully him in the weekend. Do a good job of that.

[Rory]

To be honest, I don't know if Frank. Frank is.

[Julian]

I don't think he's there.

[Rory]

Consistent and around. I don't know if that Coachella moment even makes sense. To have him headline him headlining was the mystique. We haven't seen Frank. And I'm not discrediting Frank's music, but that was the whole. Why Coachella was like, we need Frank to headline. Holy shit. Frank Ocean is back. That was the mystique of the whole thing. But no, he's not in the same category even as Weeknd. If we're talking. No, I prefer his music over not even. No, I'm not putting Frank. It was just the mystique part. Weeknd has done an amazing job of any pop star in this era to have the mystique shit. And still.

[Julian]

But he's still present like it is. He. He's like, hidden, but he's always doing something.

[Rory]

Even Beyonce had to adapt.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like most of her last however many tours from on the run, one is all like, family footage. She has become super active on Instagram. Even Beyonce had to do it.

[Mal]

Listen, man.

[Rory]

So I can't discredit Drake for that when literally every pop star besides the Weeknd has had to just be forward facing all the time. Taylor Swift is being shocked by a handoff at a Chiefs game. Every pop star has to be forward facing.

[Mal]

I mean, I'm just saying, whenever Mike went to different countries, they had the military escort.

[Rory]

That nigga, year they do that with Beyonce.

[Mal]

Military?

[Rory]

Hell, yeah.

[Mal]

Where Beyonce got a military escort at?

[Rory]

I've never seen here Giant Stadium.

[Mal]

I didn't know that.

[Rory]

Yeah, absolutely. Think they let Beyonce just. No, that's. They get the national.

[Mal]

I did. Well, I did say that she's probably the one of the closest ones, but the military Dog, when you land, you know what it cost to have the military? Like, the military, like, Mike was a. That was not real, man. That is. That's why these. I love Tank, but saying that Chris.

[Damaris]

Brown, he was wilding a little bit. It's okay to say our.

[Mal]

I get it, yo, Listen. I get it, man. And I love Chris Brown. Chris Brown's one of the most talented artists we've ever had, but Michael Jackson is just a different type of. Just leave, Mike. Just let. Let's stop saying Michael Jackson name.

[Damaris]

Let him rest in peace.

[Mal]

Whenever y'all start talking about talented artists, let's just stop saying Michael Jackson's name. Yeah. Nobody compared none of these people to Michael Jackson. Let these people be great on their own and in their own space. Michael Jackson is otherworldly. He's like a planet that is just somewhere in the solar system, and we just will never get there.

[Rory]

Let's start naming their doctors. Starting. Mike's doctor, Prince's doctor, Kanye's doctor.

[Damaris]

They're therapists. None of them therapy.

[Rory]

They're physicians.

[Damaris]

Oh, okay.

[Julian]

The people that killed them.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I know you guys don't want to talk about that Kanye West, Chris Brown shit, but it going viral was hilarious to me. Kanye west being in One Oak screaming at people to download title and that he doesn't like fingers in his ass was quite possibly one of the funniest retell stories I've ever heard. Chris Brown was on Tank's podcast talking about when he was at 1Oak, and Kanye took the mic from Yo Gotti doing down in the DM because that's all they wanted to hear at 1Oak. They did not care about downloading title for 12.99.

[Mal]

I mean, but, you know, and then.

[Rory]

Ending with the rant with like, yo, I don't, like, just let you know. I don't like things. I know y'all wondering.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Just to let you know, it's probably on your.

[Julian]

I think he was off the gas. The laughing gas.

[Rory]

Not at that.

[Mal]

He wasn't laughing.

[Damaris]

That was dead ass.

[Mal]

He's dead serious. He had. He had a message to get out.

[Rory]

What if that was the night?

[Mal]

Picking knowledge in One Oak is crazy, though. That's kind of hard kicking knowledge in One Oak.

[Julian]

Just like, take the mic. Like, you just disrupt the entire club. You just don't give a. About anybody.

[Rory]

That's such a selfish, selfish. We're not at one of your shows.

[Mal]

Yeah, like, get the out of here.

[Rory]

I get it. One Oak has a lot of people in VIP that don't wait in line. But there are a lot of, like, people that wait all week. Just. Just go to 1Oak.

[Mal]

I'm gonna tell you like this.

[Rory]

Spend a lot of money, wait in line, get there. They just want to party with their friends. They are just living a nine to five life, and this is something they look forward to.

[Julian]

Imagine being up and, like, seeing Kanye with a mic and think, oh, Kanye, like, yo, 45 minutes of nothing.

[Rory]

I would tap more like, do you think he'll do. Can't tell me nothing.

[Mal]

No, I'm gonna tell you like this. He did that at the right club. Because if he did that, one of them hood spots, it would have been all kind of Hennessy bottles thrown at Kanye that night. He's only. Get the. Off the mic. No, you ain't here to hear that. Stop trying to make up stories.

[Rory]

I just.

[Damaris]

Why are they cheering? Why are they cheering?

[Rory]

I just paid $350 for a bottle that cost $20. Yeah, turn some music on.

[Mal]

No, I'm gonna let y'all know. I don't like.

[Damaris]

Are you capping, though? Because if you were there at that moment, you would be sitting up there like, that was the greatest ever.

[Rory]

For the first five. I'll even say 10 minutes. That's a long time. 10 minutes is a long time. That first 10 minutes. Yes.

[Mal]

Two minutes in the club.

[Rory]

You would have stand Rory going like, yo, this is wild. And like, after this, we're gonna party with Kanye and be like, yo, let's just. Let's just with title, but put some music.

[Julian]

I don't know, man. I've seen Connie do this at a show. Like, at one of his shows. A live show. No. And it was. It was like, even at the show, knowing it's his thing, it was like, oh, my God. Next, just play the fucking song. Yeah, like this. I wouldn't even expect him to be performing. I'd just like, what is happening? Can we not let. Just end this shit?

[Mal]

He could have never did that indictment.

[Damaris]

Yo, imagine you was, like, whispering sweet nothings into this one bitch. You've been working on her all night. You've been working on her all night. DJ about to play some shit for you is right around that time. You should try to head out of there early so that the paparazzi don't catch you and this nigga get on stage.

[Rory]

I'll do one better. You already caught a dub. Oh, you got rhythm going. Oh, and the music cut real quick. It's cool. I gotta get myself together, maybe grab her a drink. Now I'm yelling over Kanye, whispering her ear like, you want to leave?

[Julian]

Bricked up, dropping $70 for two shitty.

[Rory]

That's just the park.

[Julian]

Well, tequila and sodas, you got Kanye just yapping there's one.

[Rory]

Do you guys have any of those events you were about to go to but didn't go to and have, like, real FOMO after? Yeah, like one of those.

[Julian]

Oh, yeah, there's a few.

[Rory]

Yeah, the Pusha T Listening party, when Kanye went on his loose off the gray goose rant.

[Julian]

I'm a little off the goose right now.

[Rory]

I was leaving Universal, but I'm like, I should go down. You know what? I'm just gonna go home. I'm not gonna do that. That next morning, I was like, wait. I could have stood on a regular first floor with Kanye while he screamed, I'm loose off the goose right now. The fact I missed. I regretted it for weeks.

[Mal]

Be going through it, man.

[Damaris]

Off the goose.

[Mal]

Be going through it, man.

[Rory]

You heard the crowd. Oh, he didn't say a word.

[Mal]

Yo. People are so stupid.

[Damaris]

Rory.

[Mal]

What?

[Damaris]

What liquor got you the loosest? Pause.

[Rory]

What liquor got you to lose conversation? Probably Jose Cuervo.

[Mal]

Oh.

[Rory]

When I was, like, a teenager, it took me a really long time to even drink tequila again. I'm talking, like, not until I was in my late 20s that I could even smell tequila.

[Julian]

I got a question for you guys. You probably haven't maybe. Does we do this? We does this for me. When's the last time you guys had the spins?

[Damaris]

Oh, when you sitting there and you have ceiling. Look like a ceiling fan, but it ain't no ceiling.

[Julian]

It's just a countdown until you throw up is really.

[Rory]

You're literally grabbing your floor.

[Mal]

Yeah, alcohol only does that.

[Damaris]

Only alcohol. Weed has done that to me.

[Julian]

I took a gummy once, and that shit. I felt like I was. I felt like someone dug a hole and buried me, like, six feet under the ground. And then the world was just rotating. It was the worst experience.

[Mal]

That was weed that did that.

[Julian]

It was a Sour Patch Kid weed. Gummy me up.

[Mal]

Would you drinking, too, though?

[Julian]

No, no, it was just during the pandemic, I was hanging with this girl that I was seeing, and she. She's, like, 90 pounds soaking wet, and she's popping these, like, gummies and just all this weed. And I was like, man, I like Sour Patch Kids. I'll try one. Yeah, put me in a coma. I was. I was so. I was cooked for, like, two days.

[Mal]

Yeah, alcohol is the only thing that makes spin.

[Damaris]

Yeah, alcohol makes Some that.

[Rory]

Because I smoked a lot of weed in high school, and I stopped in college because we got drug testing. And then once I left, I was like, oh, let me try this weed thing again. And I was doing it with alcohol. You know those alien spaceships at some parks? That was me for, like, a week, trying to get back on weed. I was literally on my floor.

[Mal]

It bugs me out that weed does that to people.

[Rory]

Like, it's the mixture, not just.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah. Oh, no, no. I would never smoke and drink that. I'm not doing. Nah. If I'm.

[Damaris]

You gotta smoke, drink, and do molly. Well, you gotta do molly, then drink and then smoke. The bruise.

[Mal]

Who's doing that?

[Julian]

I've never.

[Damaris]

Me. When I was 18, the people, like.

[Mal]

We got cross faded.

[Julian]

You got to find the perfect balance. I was like, just do the one drug. Which one do you want?

[Mal]

Like, just. I don't know.

[Julian]

Just, like, doing coke and digging Xanax. Like, which one do you want?

[Damaris]

Oh, God.

[Julian]

What is that?

[Damaris]

I hate.

[Julian]

What the is that? I don't get that.

[Damaris]

You could have just had a drink.

[Mal]

Yeah, I'm not that. I never understood drinking, smoking, popping pills.

[Rory]

Don't do that. You was three three Bean Gang yesterday. That's a downer with an upper.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah.

[Julian]

Stop.

[Rory]

It is.

[Julian]

No.

[Damaris]

Yeah, it is.

[Rory]

It's a downer with an upper.

[Mal]

So.

[Julian]

All right, I had a fucking espresso martini.

[Rory]

You had alcohol.

[Julian]

Drop a comment. If that's crazy, what the fuck are we talking about here? Like, that's not. That's not a thing.

[Mal]

Not the same thing.

[Rory]

Like, if you don't think it's crazy.

[Damaris]

How many did you have, Julia?

[Julian]

Two.

[Damaris]

I don't know. See that?

[Mal]

He would need to have 15 of those.

[Julian]

Went to Pergola for five seconds and then went to bed.

[Damaris]

First of all, Rory, you used to be on Hennessy and Red Bul. Same thing.

[Julian]

That's crazy.

[Rory]

Listen, man.

[Damaris]

Now tequila and Celsius. I have you fucked up. Please, nobody try.

[Julian]

I remember the last time I had a Vodka Rebel. It was at some shitty club. I think it was in Chicago. As I took a sip of it, I said, this is the last time I remember ordering this drink. It was the. Those things are awful people.

[Rory]

Awful. When I got to Henny and Red Bull, I used to be like, yo, I cannot believe I used to drink cranberry and vodka. Like, that's insane. I'm on this Henny and Red Bull now.

[Damaris]

Look at you.

[Rory]

Now I'm looking like. Like, all right, now I just drink Casamigo. Straight like honey and Red Bulls. One day I'll be like, yo, you were drinking just straight up poison with ice.

[Damaris]

Well, that's the best way to do it.

[Rory]

Uncut.

[Mal]

Yeah. Not cold poison.

[Damaris]

Especially if you're trying to, like, lose weight. Cold poison, just straight tequila. Because tequila doesn't have a lot of calories. Tequila. And you just do soda water.

[Julian]

You're saying tequila soda for what sickness?

[Damaris]

No, to like.

[Rory]

No, to lose weight.

[Julian]

Just.

[Mal]

That's the new Ozempic.

[Julian]

That's an awful diet. Wait, so there's no food?

[Rory]

That's the highlight room diet?

[Mal]

Yeah. No. You drink one of those every morning.

[Damaris]

Salt the rim with coke if it's gonna be a highlight.

[Rory]

Do people do that?

[Damaris]

No, no.

[Julian]

Fill your lungs with hookah smoke.

[Rory]

You couldn't see people doing that at, like, certain parties. You ever even thought about that? But put instead of, like, salt around a rim, you would put coke.

[Julian]

What bar would just readily. I have a dipping tray for coke, cigarettes. It's called a snowball when you dip the filter in a Coke.

[Damaris]

I thought it was a Woo Woo.

[Julian]

I thought woo banger. You can call them whatever. I mean, either.

[Rory]

When I was a kid, Woo banger was weed and coke in the same blood.

[Julian]

Same.

[Mal]

I just never had the desire to do any of that.

[Julian]

Well, the. The cigarette one's kind of nice. If it wasn't. It was. It would, like, numb your gum. It was like, kind of had a menthol effect, except obviously far more powerful.

[Rory]

But when I was a kid, everyone put dust in cigarettes. That was the thing.

[Julian]

That sounds awful.

[Rory]

Just tell me what people did, man.

[Mal]

No, I know. I just never had that desire. It was never one of my desires to smoke dust. Never. No type of drug anyone that did it.

[Rory]

But I. Yeah, I mean, I'm judging you, okay?

[Mal]

If you tell me you smoke dust, I'm judging.

[Julian]

You could use a rebrand.

[Rory]

If you go through the amount of people that admitted to smoking dust, though, like, Snoops talked about it. One of my favorite verses off that bombing fluid.

[Mal]

I'm judging all of them.

[Rory]

Beans look like he was on Dust at one point. Imagine getting punched by Beans when he's on Dust. That'd be the scariest human being on earth.

[Mal]

Why? Why getting punched? Why would that be the scariest thing?

[Rory]

You know, we talked about Jackass every many episodes ago and how annoying that crew was of like, cutting people's hair off camera watching that Rock the Mic tour. Just being backstage in the fear of beans. Just giving you a rib punch. Like that whole tour I'd be paranoid.

[Mal]

Oh, you talking about. What was that?

[Rory]

Hard Knock Life, Not Rock the Mic.

[Mal]

Yeah, it wasn't Rock the Mic.

[Rory]

Beans was just running around backstage just giving people rib punches.

[Mal]

I mean, you know, that's part of being on tour.

[Rory]

You gotta play fight.

[Mal]

You gotta play fights, and you should.

[Damaris]

Be able to fight, Beans.

[Rory]

You're strong and can fight. Don't punch me in the ribs, please.

[Mal]

It. Why not take this rip shot?

[Rory]

No.

[Damaris]

So over this weekend, there was a little bit of rigamarole that was going on on Twitter between two of the women that are in this podcast and sphere between. Mandy made some comments on Mel's podcasting abilities. I know you guys don't care to get involved in women's drama, but it did beg the question I wanted to ask you guys. Do you think it's fair that podcasters can critique other podcasters? Do you think that they should be able to do that, being that they both have public platforms and that that's technically what they signed up for? Or do you think that all of us in media, not just podcasting, should keep our comments to ourselves?

[Rory]

All we do is critique other people. Now we're just floating above everyone. We're not able to be critiqued. It's insane. There was a time that finally got exposed when all, like, the media blogs, like, all those guys had a pact where they would expose everyone else, put all the mess on all their Instagrams and blogs, but they had a pack that if anything came amongst each other, they would not post it. And to me, that was the weakest ever. Like, I get it. Cool. You don't want your nasty business out there, but you do it to everyone else. So, no. No one is above any of this. Yeah, we're allowed to be critiqued. Yes, we know what it's like for fans to falsely and negatively critique us, but that doesn't mean that other podcasts were. We're all messy. At the end of the day, that's what this genre is like. Let's just call it what it is.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah, this is definitely mean girls, for sure.

[Rory]

So, yeah, no one's above a critique. You could disagree with a critique, and that's fine, or just ignore it and move on with your life. But to say podcasters, after we critique everybody cannot be critiqued is the craziest thing. If somebody says. If a potter says, I'm awful at podcasting, all right, cool. That's your opinion.

[Mal]

All right, cool.

[Rory]

You're allowed to say that.

[Mal]

It's also funny. Like. Like, I don't know. I just find human. All of this. Like, I think all of this is funny. I think people are taking themselves way too seriously. I think people take their jobs or their roles way too seriously. Like, at the end of the day, what are we talking about here? We talking about sitting on the camera in front of a mic, talking shit, having fun? Like, I just don't understand people just getting these, like, you know, like, what was it Dave Chappelle, who one of the comedians said, like, everybody's living their own movie in their head.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

So it's like, whoever you are in your movie in your head, I'm not here to argue with that person. Like, I get it, but when it's on display is when I just laugh and I'm just like, everybody is taking themselves way too seriously.

[Rory]

I think a lot of stuff in.

[Mal]

Podcast, all we do is just talk shit. That's it.

[Rory]

The podcast world, I mean, us included, has been personal stuff that has ended up on podcasts. So critiques come from, like, real rooted personal issues. And I honestly have no idea with Mel and Mandy, but that's where I think most of these things derive from. But if a podcaster just straight up wants to critique a podcaster, cool.

[Mal]

Who cares?

[Rory]

That's what we do here.

[Mal]

Who gives a.

[Damaris]

But. But speaking up to that code that you were talking about earlier between the radio hosts is there. Because, you know, if a regular person goes and critiques, let's say me, right? If you're just a normal person, you go and critique me. People say I'm an awful podcaster all the time, whatever. But if a person with a platform that there's 2, 3 degrees separation from my platform or 1 degree separation from my platform says that, then it's like, people are gonna pay attention to it. And it's kind of like you kind of expect it to be made into a bigger thing.

[Mal]

So, I mean, it's like drama. Anything that looks or feels or smells like drama, people run to it.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Even title and clips, they make it seem like it's beef and it's drama. And it's like, people just love drama. People just love when it's somebody's gonna curse somebody out or say something crazy about somebody, it's just like.

[Rory]

But to me, that's not a podcast problem. That's a human problem. Like, the news does that. Humans, like, we didn't. Podcasting, didn't invent, like, clickbait or crazy titles like they do. They've been doing that on CNN for.

[Mal]

No, I'm not blaming. I'm just saying people love that type of shit.

[Rory]

For sure. We've been programmed to love it.

[Mal]

Which is why people title things a certain way to make it seem like I've been a victim of that. I read a clip and I'm like, what? Go right to it. I'm like, that ain't what this is, man. Like, it ain't no. It ain't no real beef here. Like, what the fuck is this? So it's just, you know, I get it. I just laugh at it, man. I'm just. I'm in that. I'm in that. That zone in life where I'm just. I just laugh at shit. I'm the. Get off my long guy now. Like, I just.

[Damaris]

I feel like you might have critiques about other people's podcasts that you don't say.

[Rory]

I don't listen to podcasts or other.

[Damaris]

People, other media outlets. I won't even just say podcasts, other media outlets that you might hear. And you too. And you guys kind of keep your thoughts to yourself. You don't say them until, listen, I've.

[Mal]

Given love and praise to these other podcast. And I've never listened to none of their shows.

[Julian]

That's a fact.

[Rory]

But you can see how, you know, they're moving successfully. Salute to Doing your thing and being happy.

[Mal]

That's just how I am. Salute to whatever it is you got going on.

[Rory]

As long as you're not harming anyone.

[Mal]

Salute. Do your thing. I don't. I'm not like, do whatever it is you think you. You want to do and you. You good at, yo. Do your thing, fam. And I don't. It's just. People just get too caught up in themselves and make everything a personal issue. And why are you so invested in what other people got going on that you would have an issue with? Like, I just don't. A lot of the shit I try to figure out. And I just realized that people just, you know, that's just the type of. That they, like, they're into. They're into drama, they're into. They're into, you know, nitpicking and having an issue all the time. Like, and you just. You recognize that and you understand, like, okay, it's not. It's not personal. It's not me. This is what this person does. They find. They look at anybody and they find something that they can create an issue or have a problem with, and they just maximize that.

[Damaris]

And sometimes issues result in views. Always issues result in views.

[Mal]

Well, when you're dealing with somebody like that, I'm gonna always lose that game because I'm not creating no issue and no beef for no views. I'm not doing that. So if it's somebody out there that is doing that and I'm on the other end, yo, you got, you won because I'm not doing that with you because I. That's just not, that's not what I do. You know, I'm not going to create a problem or a back and forth with something that's not like one worth it or even real. Like I'm not going to create just for yo, this might do 100k. Like what? That's crazy to me. But I understand the environment and the, the, you know, the ecosystem that we're in. That's bills to pay your bills, man.

[Rory]

And I mean, I guess get it how you live. Guru put on his story a few weeks ago. I'm, I'm paraphrasing, I don't have the exact quote, but he was pointing out that the biggest interviews right now are media people interviewing other media people. That's the biggest thing right now. Media itself is now the, the celebrity of it all. Like the one on ones with media and used to be the artist was the thing. We look to media to talk to our favorite artist or our favorite person and conduct an interview where we could hear things that we've always wanted to hear from somebody that we like. The biggest views now are media interviewing media, talking about media. It's a very weird place that we've gotten to. So I totally get why conflict in back and forth has become the norm. Because we're, we're not talking about the very entertainment that we're in. No, we're here to discuss media.

[Damaris]

That's because ain't that really that entertainment entertaining anymore? To be honest?

[Mal]

You said it's not that.

[Damaris]

It ain't really. It ain't that much talent that's being centered or that's being entertained. People don't really, when we talk about music shit or try to introduce people to new artists. When people like people always say that people are uplifting all these shitty artists. When we put attention on good artists, nobody really gives a fudge. People care about drama and lies like you guys have said before. So the media people know they're not going to talk about the talent and the people that are creating the good stuff. No, they're going to get them. What's going to get them? Clicks. Because clicks is what gets you paid in there. That's why you have media talking to media about media. There's no need to talk about the talent anymore.

[Rory]

I used to love, like, in the early 2000s when, like, Twitter was going nuts and they used to kill Ebro for not playing real hip hop or what was coming up on the radio. And he every time somebody that was, quote, unquote, real hip hop, whether it be Push Action, Bronson, Joey Badass, he would then reply to everyone that was on him for the year and said, now is your time to step up. You guys complain that no one's doing anything for real hip hop. Why don't you show up for these guys? Sales will come in the next week, and Ebro's point was proven. I'm running a business over here. This is what people want to hear in the masses. You can scream that integrity over here. That's not what this business is anymore. Yeah, you could Love. Love integrity. 20 years ago. That's gone. We're. We're in the advertising business right now. And this is what moves units. I'm at my job. This is what we do. You saying I'm not supporting real hip hop. You go support it. Oh, look, none of y'all did. So what the are yelling at me for? I would love to talk about straight up underground artists all day. This would tank. This would be done. I think we do a great job of balancing where we don't chase bullshit or become those guys that, like, really make issues out of nothing. But we also do play the game to some extent. We have to. This is a business. Have a child.

[Mal]

So you want to like beef right now.

[Rory]

Hold on. Sorry. So Mandy went after Mel.

[Julian]

I said, if all the women are beefing, we got to throw Damaris in the mix.

[Rory]

You got the Alex even media anymore. I just see him on the microphone now. I don't even like. Why is that your name? You should be Alex. Microphone, meet Alex.

[Damaris]

Alex, Microphone is fucking hilarious.

[Rory]

Microphone was the last time he media.

[Mal]

Yeah, he on media now.

[Rory]

He don't media at all.

[Damaris]

You sleep. I sleeping on Alex like, Alex don't own studios. Don't come from.

[Rory]

Definitely does.

[Julian]

Me don't. What Media. Me don't.

[Damaris]

Wow, that was really bad. Like, that was bad.

[Mal]

Too many espresso martinis.

[Julian]

See, look, you're critiquing a media person. You guys. You're part of the problem.

[Rory]

Yo, I am a part of the problem. I agree with that.

[Damaris]

Oh, we all are definitely a part of the problem. And I do want to make this.

[Rory]

Have any podcasters critiqued you guys?

[Julian]

There was One time, I think someone. I don't. This is the thing. I. When I say this, I really mean it. I don't listen to any of these hip hop, pot. I don't care about this. Like that. The. Those pods and. But not on a disrespectful tip. Like, even Danny. I respect Danny, but I stopped listening to his Vicus. It's like, I just. It's too much.

[Rory]

Too much.

[Julian]

It's too much fodder. But there was at one point. Who was it? It was like something Flip said about me. And Imani said something. And then Danny made a video about it. And then he tried to get us to go back and forth. And I was like, I don't. And then he. Man, he was like, I have. What is even happening? This isn't even a thing.

[Rory]

But that. That's usually the case with the whole thing.

[Julian]

You know what I mean?

[Rory]

Like, going back and forth. Like, I got no issue with it.

[Julian]

But the only time I heard someone say my name was Wendy. Manny made like, a comment to a video he saw on Danny's channel, and he was like, I don't know where you got this from. I don't feel that way about Julian. I don't even know him. And my response, watching videos, like, I don't know, like, I'm glad he said this because, like, this is. This could have been ridiculous. I never would have responded. But I'm happy he responded the way he did.

[Damaris]

They don't say about me because it's ridiculous.

[Rory]

Like, going to happen regardless. They're going to try to make issues for no reason.

[Damaris]

You're talking about direct.

[Mal]

Mandy.

[Rory]

Mandy. The Mel shit was interesting. I mean, I don't want to say I respect it because it's really not that serious, but, I mean, somebody was very direct in what they had to say as far as critique some things. To your point, when you're saying, there's podcasts I dislike, but I. I don't see the point in running to a microphone to just spread negativity. Like, you're tr. I hate your podcast. Like, I just don't. Just don't. I just don't care to say that. I may feel it, but I just don't care to say it.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

And just don't listen.

[Rory]

It's a weird mentality to have of everything negative that you think needs to be heard by everybody.

[Julian]

When you gotta listen to something you enjoy, that's always my thing. Like, I've been off Reddit all year, but every time, like, every time you.

[Rory]

Guys send second time you've gotten clean for real.

[Julian]

Shit, coke was easier to kick than bullshit. But it's like every time someone passes me an article, like I see a post, it's like so mean and angry. I'm like, why do you guys spend so much time listening to something you actively hate?

[Mal]

Because people hate themselves.

[Julian]

But like even the time pass the psychology behind it. Yeah, fine. Maybe you just want something to distract yourself from the failures in your life. I guess that may be true. But like, wouldn't you rather fill that time with something you actually enjoy? I mean, am I crazy?

[Rory]

They take it to another level. I listen to stuff that I listen to people that I disagree with because I do like to hear other sides. And I think there is value in a show where you don't like a certain person on that show because there's good banter back and forth. It's good to have someone that you disagree with in the entertainment that you watch. They just take it to another level where they're watching. They're hate watching. Yeah, like they're listening to just then go comment how much they. Well, yeah, I go to listen to stuff of people I disagree with and sometimes they annoy me in the conversation. But that I've never liked Skip Bayless.

[Julian]

I'm not even.

[Rory]

But I watched Skip Bayless non stop because he has great conversation that I disagree with. He annoys me. Colin Coward. I think he's phenomenal at his job. Dislike them but watch him non stop.

[Julian]

Yeah, I'm not even faulting hate watch or watching something you dislike. I'm more so talking to the people that then log into an account.

[Rory]

Yes. When I watch, I don't go paragraphs.

[Julian]

About something that you just don't like. Hate listen in peace and then just like go about your day. That's always my approach. Like to. To feel the effort. To feel so empowered and emboldened enough to make a post about it and just drag this whole thing. It's like maybe Maul's right.

[Mal]

About what?

[Julian]

Just these people just fucking hate themselves.

[Mal]

They do. You can't tell when somebody got a dirty ass crib. Yo, I could tell when people got dirty houses when they. The way they talk to me online. I'm like, oh, your house stink. I know you ain't wash your sheets in three weeks. I get it. I would be angry too if my bed stink. Like I would be talking to me the same way.

[Damaris]

Pillow. Ooh, pillow just.

[Mal]

I get it. I understand. Yo, you get to a point where you just understand People and why they are wired the way they are. And you don't take it personal.

[Rory]

What's funny is. And to have like a human vulnerable moment. I think like the brokest I've ever been. I was probably like the nicest. Like, I. I didn't have those types.

[Mal]

But you white Rory is different when you're broke.

[Rory]

That's. That's true.

[Damaris]

You know, you ain't gonna be broke for long.

[Mal]

You know, it's only a matter of time.

[Rory]

My trust being broken at 21.

[Mal]

Being white and being broke is like waiting at the bus stop. You know, the bus stop.

[Rory]

My dad was the judge.

[Damaris]

You know, the bus.

[Mal]

You know, the bus is coming. It might be late, but it's coming.

[Julian]

You knew that 3% was going to kick.

[Mal]

It's coming.

[Rory]

Worst case, I'll kill my mom, get the life insurance money. Like, duh.

[Mal]

Yeah. Being black and being broke is like being at the. Going to the airport with no ticket. You're not getting on the flight. It's not happening. You're not. It's not happening.

[Rory]

That was the Magic Johnson, LeBron.

[Mal]

I'm just saying it's not happening when you. When you black and broke. It's just not. It's not happening. Get the out.

[Rory]

Okay, agreed. I wasn't here to have the race off. Yes, it's different being poor and white and poor and black. I was just saying that I was. Probably had the least amount of hate in my heart when I was broke. As, like, I was focused on just making a better life for myself.

[Damaris]

You didn't have anything.

[Rory]

Once I got a little more comfortable, I started. I had the leisure to look at.

[Mal]

Things and go, yeah, you can frown at things now. Like, you do that. Oh, that's what y'all be knowing, peasants.

[Rory]

So that's why I don't really fully understand the like, if people are in bad situations, they just take it out on people on the Internet.

[Mal]

Yeah, I mean, I did.

[Rory]

I did that when I was comfortable.

[Mal]

But it's easy. It's easy to have. Be in an uncomfortable living space and have a lot of bad going on in your home and relationships, work, whatever. And picking up your phone and just seeing somebody say something online and just get into it with them. That's the easiest thing in the world.

[Rory]

When I open up, my draw was silverware and has the soy sauce packets and roaches run everywhere. The least thing I'm thinking of is Reddit.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah. No, I feel you. I get it.

[Damaris]

No, but that's why.

[Mal]

That's.

[Rory]

I'm not here to hate. I'm sitting here like, I get the fuck out of here.

[Mal]

But that's why you are successful, because you've always had the mentality like, I got to get the fuck out of here. It wasn't hating you wasn't paying attention to what somebody else had going on. You focused on yourself. You figured out a way, you figured out a plan. You figured out what you like, your passions. I was sitting there like, and you. How did you actively work towards that shit? A lot of these, they do that.

[Damaris]

I just know these people aren't having sex. Like, I just. I really. Look, no, there's no way. There's no way that you're having sex with, like, humans and you're doing all this online. Like, when, for example, there's a bunch, like, men will go online and give me a compliment, and there will always be 50 men that have to comment and say, she's never gonna. You, ah, she's a foreigner. Warehouse. And they do all that, and it's like, yo, men.

[Mal]

The what?

[Damaris]

They drag it. They say, I'm a four in a warehouse setting. So, like, even within the realm of the most basic bitches, I'm still a basic bitch.

[Mal]

Oh, okay.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Four in a warehouse. It's a saying.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Damaris]

But my thing is always, like, men who, like, actually date these women that they put on so high of a pedestal are not online critiquing women. Like, women and their looks. You want to critique what I say, that's fine. But you're on here. Whenever somebody compliments me, you're commenting and talking shit about my compliment. That's weird. That lets me let you Squirrels, like, you're not human women.

[Mal]

The squirrel as well. How you. How you. How you catch that?

[Julian]

That's impressive.

[Mal]

How to catch a squirrel.

[Rory]

Why are you on Reddit?

[Mal]

Who the could catch a squirrel?

[Rory]

I need to put you in the circus catching us. You have a career here.

[Mal]

Yeah. That's wild.

[Damaris]

Like, it's just. It's. I don't know. It's just you have to. You have to always take account of who the critique is coming from.

[Rory]

Okay, but let me give them some bail, because I feel like in the entertainment worlds, men are super gossipy and they fuck a lot of bitches and still act that way. I just think men are a word we can't say. Thanks, Beach.

[Damaris]

Oh, it's the way the camera just switched immediately.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So I don't think it's a circumstance thing. I think it's a person thing.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Because that, like, Money doesn't change you. It makes you more of who you already are, which is a. Because obviously it's in my quote.

[Julian]

And you saying they don't get and squirrels is no better than them calling you a Warehouse four. Like, that's. You're doing the same thing they do.

[Damaris]

I'm attacking the people that already attacked me. I'm. When I'm. When I'm sitting here minding my business and somebody gives me a compliment, and you feel the need to go underneath the compliment and say, nah, that trash. That's. Those are not normal people.

[Rory]

You.

[Julian]

Yeah, but, like, do you do that? No, I just. I just don't care. I. I really.

[Damaris]

It's not about. Okay, but it's not about caring where it's talking about people who give critiques and the type of people that they are.

[Julian]

Yeah, but I'm saying that the. The. Did you by in turn just going back and insulting them at the same level is no better than what they did to you in the first place.

[Rory]

No, he didn't know.

[Julian]

Like, them calling you a four, like, that's the same.

[Rory]

You gotta go to hell sometimes you don't go high. I mean, ignore the Internet, but.

[Damaris]

Ignore the Internet. Yeah, but if you.

[Rory]

The original point. Podcasters are not really saying how they feel about other podcasts.

[Damaris]

No.

[Rory]

Myself included, because they're not. For what? For what? I'm just gonna get on this mic and be like, yo, I think your trash now. Yo, you falling off. I don't care.

[Julian]

I only listen to comedy podcasts that.

[Mal]

Goes back to my original. I just don't care enough about what none of these niggas is doing to ever critique them and be like, oh, this trash.

[Rory]

Nor do I want to see anyone fail.

[Mal]

Like, I'm. I may have did that at one point today. Now get. I don't care what none of y'all are doing. Have. Do whatever you want to do. Be great. Have fun. Good luck. That's all I got for you.

[Julian]

Just be demure.

[Rory]

Be what?

[Julian]

Demure.

[Rory]

The person. Like, what does that person do?

[Julian]

You guys haven't heard of it? All right, I want to ask them a question before we get into the top. It's the. It's. This is the word of the summer. You thought not like us was big.

[Rory]

That's a technically a sentence.

[Julian]

It's not a song. It's just Demir. But I was gonna ask you guys if you were to. If when you hear the word Demir, how would you define it?

[Rory]

I know a couple Demirs.

[Julian]

Okay. A Name I'm looking at one is.

[Mal]

Demir Creole for damaris.

[Julian]

When you hear the word mirror is like.

[Mal]

It's like classy, right? Classy.

[Rory]

Did Mariah Carey use it in the writing?

[Julian]

In the. Right.

[Damaris]

I'm sure she used the mirror flashy.

[Mal]

Mindful.

[Julian]

Hey. Okay. TikTok.

[Damaris]

Cutesy.

[Mal]

Like, very like cutesy.

[Julian]

Got that shit with your chest.

[Damaris]

Cutesy.

[Rory]

You did good on your region.

[Damaris]

The mirror is like dainty. It's supposed to be like dainty. Feminine, soft, put together.

[Julian]

Yeah. Modest. Shy. It's typically a term used for women, but anyway, this is the original video that now has well over 20 million views and has changed this woman's life. Soon to be a man, by the way. But we can play this is the original video.

[Damaris]

You see how I do my makeup for work?

[Mal]

Very demure, very mindful.

[Damaris]

I don't come to work with a green cut crease.

[Mal]

I don't look like a clown when.

[Damaris]

I go to work.

[Mal]

I don't do too much. I'm very mindful.

[Damaris]

While I'm at work, see how I look? Very presentable.

[Mal]

The way I came to the interview.

[Damaris]

Is the way I go to the job. A lot of you girls go to the interview looking like Marge Simpson and go to the job looking like Patty and Selma.

[Mal]

Not demure.

[Damaris]

I'm very modest. I'm very mindful. You see my shirt?

[Mal]

Only a little chichi out. Not my choco.

[Damaris]

Be mindful of why they hired you.

[Rory]

Here's your reality check. Proficient.

[Damaris]

What's the name you'd like me to.

[Mal]

Make it out to?

[Rory]

Okay, this finally summed up what I've been trying to say. These teachers need to be more demure. I was looking for the. I couldn't explain myself. Finally, I found it.

[Damaris]

Oh, my. My God.

[Mal]

Yeah, but these teachers.

[Rory]

Not demiring enough.

[Mal]

Yeah, but if you. If you. If you're.

[Damaris]

Stop saying it like my name. Demure. Demure.

[Mal]

But if you're curvy. The mirror, no matter what you're wearing, you're going to see curves.

[Rory]

She just said she didn't have the hoochas, only the tatas out.

[Mal]

Yeah. Very, very little cleavage showing. Very little.

[Rory]

She was drinking Matas with tata. Going to the interview.

[Mal]

But if you have curves, no matter what you're wearing, you're going to see the curve.

[Rory]

Well, Demir, them shits.

[Mal]

Yeah, but I'm just saying, even if you put on the right thing, it's still going to show. Like, oh, she has a nice. You can tell she has a nice shape.

[Rory]

Is. So this is really? Like a thing. Everyone's using this word.

[Julian]

The biggest thing. Yeah.

[Rory]

Is this the new fleek?

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah.

[Julian]

Way bigger.

[Damaris]

It's not way bigger than fleek.

[Julian]

Yes.

[Damaris]

No, it's not.

[Julian]

Dictionary.

[Rory]

Wasn't this already in the dictionary?

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Julian]

Yeah, but she ate.

[Damaris]

Okay. She did. But it's not bigger than fleek. Nothing is bigger than.

[Rory]

No. Shorty got in her car and just described her eyebrows as a word we never heard. And then it went in.

[Damaris]

Webster, who is we?

[Rory]

You had heard fleek before that.

[Damaris]

Oh, I thought you were somewhat Demir. No, I had never heard on fleek before. That was changed.

[Rory]

That's a different type of hipster. If you think you heard fleek before, that woman went and said, oh, I've.

[Damaris]

Been on fleek eyebrows on fleek. You guys just hearing that? Oh, my God.

[Julian]

LeBron posted a video about Demir every. It's. It's not just women.

[Rory]

LeBron came up with it, right?

[Julian]

He's going to trademark it.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

LeBron was the first demure nigga in history. Remember when he got up from that press conference and grabbed his bag?

[Rory]

You know, he's from Demir, Ohio.

[Damaris]

That doesn't mean.

[Mal]

That was very demure.

[Damaris]

That doesn't mean sassy.

[Mal]

No, it was mindful. The way he walked. He grabbed his bag. He made sure his bag didn't hit nobody on the walkout. Right. Very mindful. Very. You know what I'm saying? Classy. Yeah.

[Rory]

Braun, is this the same. Well, they. You're saying she's.

[Mal]

I don't.

[Julian]

Is she.

[Rory]

Is this the same one that goes on those, like, weirdo podcasts where it's, like, a bunch of feminine men that scream at women 20 years old?

[Julian]

I think you're confusing her with someone else.

[Damaris]

No, you're talking. I know who you're talking about. That's not her. That's funny that you know about her, though. I can't think of her name, but that's funny that you know about her.

[Rory]

I mean, those clips went super viral.

[Damaris]

Yeah. No, that's not her. She. She do be eating them up, but that's not her. It's just a tick tock. A tick tock. The sound went super, super viral. It's very interesting to me to watch people, like, jump on this trend and use it for advertising, like, literally. I just was on Facebook and I saw a Dunkin Donuts ad of just a plain glazed donut that said very demure. And that was just the advertising. And I love when companies can keep up with stuff like that. Like, so Immediate. I think that that's so smart. And. Yeah.

[Rory]

If we make my mall diss a sound on TikTok, would you do. Would you redo the verse?

[Julian]

That's not how that works.

[Rory]

How does it work?

[Julian]

Do you think someone's going to recite your entire diss to mall just, like.

[Rory]

The beginning coffee hot part and like, Damaris could set it off? Yeah. Like, imagine anyone walking into whatever they're about to do and saying that with my sound that viral trying to market right now.

[Julian]

The viral weather man is calm before the storm. Right here.

[Damaris]

That would actually. Oh, you're marketing.

[Julian]

That'd be tight. Yeah.

[Damaris]

You told me to do it. Me doing it is not like the same. You got to use it and.

[Rory]

No, it would be my voice. And you're doing. Isn't that how sounds work? You take someone else's sound and then you like.

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Rory]

Mime it.

[Julian]

Oh, her name is Jules LeBron. I was like, where the video of LeBron doing this shit?

[Rory]

Wait, that's how LeBron got added into this.

[Damaris]

She's misinformation.

[Julian]

Wait, I didn't. I never knew her name. She said this changed her life. This is cool. I mean, this is like a crazy scenario, this video.

[Rory]

Is it that cool?

[Julian]

Well, it is now. It's over 30 million views. I mean, she's saying now she can get fund her transition surgery after this viral trend. I'm sure that's alleviated a lot of stress from her life.

[Rory]

Great.

[Julian]

From LeBron's life.

[Damaris]

Ma, I just.

[Mal]

We got one. I can't even laugh.

[Rory]

No, I think it's great that she met her goal.

[Mal]

Me too. But I'm just laughing at it.

[Rory]

It's cool.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

How do you feel about August Alsina, before we get out of here?

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

What happened?

[Damaris]

Can we get divorce mails, please? Jesus.

[Mal]

What happened with August Alsina?

[Rory]

He's fluent.

[Mal]

Fluent what?

[Julian]

French fluent.

[Mal]

What is he.

[Rory]

Oh, fluid.

[Mal]

Oh. Oh, he's fluid.

[Rory]

Hey, he's like. Well, Bruce Lee said he's water.

[Damaris]

Oh, my Lord.

[Mal]

What do you mean he's fluid, though? Like, his. His, like, gender.

[Damaris]

His sexuality.

[Rory]

He. He loves a man.

[Mal]

We knew that already.

[Rory]

Oh, we didn't.

[Mal]

We knew he was gay.

[Damaris]

Yeah, he did come out and said he was. He been came out and said that he was gay. We. I think we might.

[Rory]

He's come out and said a lot of. So, like, because I didn't. I missed the gay one. He crucified himself. And then Jada. Sorry I missed the gay memo.

[Damaris]

Do y'all remember? Do y'all remember Empire when. When Meatball Sandwich dude came out and sung the song and he changed the lyrics. Like this. The type of song that make a man love a man. And, like, who said that? Meatball sub. Jussie. Juicy Jussie.

[Julian]

Oh, Juicy Somalia.

[Damaris]

Yes. And it was the song calling him Meatball Sub.

[Rory]

I was trying to think of, like, a fat person. Like, who's meatball?

[Damaris]

I cannot think. I'm not being disrespectful.

[Julian]

Was it ever confirmed which type of sub he had?

[Damaris]

It was meatball.

[Julian]

It was meatball.

[Rory]

He said he wants to get a salad.

[Julian]

No, I studied.

[Rory]

I studied the case from.

[Mal]

So, yes.

[Rory]

I'm not making this up. It's not like a joke. I swear to. He said he went to go get a salad.

[Damaris]

No, I studied the case is the funniest shit.

[Mal]

Rory, you. But you can't read, so you might have read sandwich and thought it was salad.

[Rory]

No, I listened to him say, I called. Imagine, like, do you want something? I'm gonna get a salad. Because nothing was open.

[Julian]

This guy had a sandwich in his hand every time. Yeah, it's. It's always been sandwich.

[Damaris]

It was never a salad.

[Julian]

It was never a salad.

[Rory]

I'm telling you guys, he said he was going to get a salad if he left with a sandwich. He lied a couple times. I'm just telling you. In an interview, he said he was going to Subway to get a salad.

[Julian]

Well, they were out of salad, and.

[Rory]

He got a meatball salad.

[Mal]

Oh, my God. I remember. The Internet killed me when I spoke out about that shit.

[Julian]

I mean, you said it was from the jump, right?

[Mal]

The first time I heard the story, I knew it was like, are you kidding me?

[Rory]

I was so scared to, like, say anything that first day.

[Mal]

I'm like, bro, you got, like, jumped.

[Rory]

Doesn't even make sense.

[Mal]

You got jumped, hit with bleaching, and the sandwich made it home. Stop the man.

[Damaris]

My sandwich would have made it home.

[Mal]

Your sandwich. You get jumped and get hit with bottles of bleach, Your sandwich ain't making it home. It's not happening. You ain't that hungry.

[Damaris]

Try me. Jump me when I walk outside.

[Mal]

Jump you. You gonna be like, where my sandwich at? That over there?

[Rory]

No, I've been jumped before. And after they left, I went to gather my things.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I went together. My thing.

[Mal]

You went together?

[Damaris]

Yo, try to find your phone.

[Mal]

You went to your phone, you went to get. What if your sandwich hit the floor? You're not picking that sandwich up and taking it.

[Rory]

Did not have a cell.

[Julian]

Yeah, here's the. Here's the quote. So it was always a sandwich. He comes back and gets attacked in a hate crime. Supposedly a hate crime. During the scuffle, they pour bleach on him. And all the while, he goes back into his apartment building with the sandwich in his hand. That doesn't happen.

[Mal]

It does not happen. Yeah, well, I mean. And they killed me for saying, I'm like, bro, this is not real. Cut this shit.

[Rory]

Yeah, we're gonna also we're gonna rewatch the Gail Talk. Shit.

[Julian]

The sandwich wasn't like, dented or like.

[Mal]

But I got jumped in a noose around my neck and bleach poured on me. But the sandwich is fine.

[Damaris]

If it was a sandwich from like, maybe the deli. But I'm not going that hard over a Subway sandwich. That's crazy. I would have dropped it.

[Julian]

The police. The quote from the former Chicago police superintendent said the sandwich was a big part in realizing that this whole thing was duh.

[Mal]

Anybody with a fucking brain knows that, like, what are you talking. This sandwich is fine, but you got a noose around your neck. The fuck. What are we talking about here? Like, cut this shit, man.

[Rory]

Not that I'm I believe police, but going through that documentary, when they interviewed one of the cops, he basically was like. We walked in and was like, nah, it's not.

[Mal]

Stop wasting my time.

[Julian]

No, also no. It's sick that he left the noose on his neck.

[Rory]

This is what he had to show the cops for evidence, man.

[Mal]

Yeah, leave with the evidence around your neck, walk home.

[Julian]

That's an insane. He walk around your own apartment with a noose on your neck.

[Damaris]

Why doesn't he get the innovator award from Hollywood Unlocked?

[Mal]

He was resilient innovator or perseverance person.

[Julian]

Did he eat the sub he was.

[Mal]

Eating while the cops was interviewing him?

[Rory]

Well, I mean, he was hungry enough.

[Mal]

To get your ass beat.

[Julian]

That's a great Subway ass.

[Mal]

You know, after you get your ass.

[Julian]

I have a hate crime and all you're craving is me.

[Mal]

If you got your ass beat, you hungry? You ever got whooped by your mom?

[Damaris]

Oh, my crying.

[Mal]

That didn't be fire that night, right?

[Damaris]

That's spaghetti on the stove. What?

[Mal]

That should be fire.

[Rory]

After that whole Jared the best marketing would just to be hired Jussie as the face of Subway.

[Julian]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

I would start going just off GP if you were watching your tv and Jussie showed up and was like, yo, Subway.

[Mal]

I ain't gonna lie. Eating Subways. Living in New York is just crazy.

[Rory]

Crazy.

[Mal]

I don't understand.

[Julian]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

I don't even get how it is.

[Mal]

I understand how it survives. New York City like that is the craziest in the world to me. We got the best delis, the best bodegas. That makes sense. And Subway is thriving.

[Damaris]

Well, we have. You have a lot of people in New York who are not from New York and they're used to shitty sandwiches. So. Subway.

[Mal]

Yeah. But if you're in New York now, let me assure you that you can get some of the best sandwiches. Stop eating Subway.

[Julian]

Subway. Just in terms of like the public zeitgeist. Subways just had some shitty luck. Between Jussie and Jared, they can't catch a break. Yeah, they put their whole. They put the house on a pedophile house.

[Rory]

Money.

[Julian]

Put the whole. Still thriving.

[Mal]

Still thriving. See how your find out how much Subway made last year? Oh, this year so far, still thriving.

[Damaris]

Mind you, they still advertising them five dollar footlongs. That's ten dollars. I just don't.

[Julian]

You saw they did like a five dollar cookie. I mean a five foot long cookie.

[Damaris]

I will say that the Subway cookies. The Subway cookies are great. Different. The raspberry cheesecake, the white chocolate macadamia nut, the oatmeal raisin. Crazy. Some of the best cookies I've ever had were from Subway. Insane.

[Julian]

Well, I mean, Jesus Christ. In 2022 they grossed 9.18 billion.

[Rory]

That's look up what blimpy's grossed. Who played the game right, was 10 toes. Integrity, did everything rules.

[Mal]

Let you pour your own oil and vinegar on the sandwich.

[Damaris]

Do Quiznos still exist?

[Mal]

Quiznos.

[Rory]

A good question.

[Julian]

You guys never saw when Subway was pushing the foot long cookie.

[Rory]

Oh, I would buy that.

[Julian]

That does kind of look fire. Because imagine if you make it, you cut it in half and you get ice cream and you make it a ice cream sandwich.

[Damaris]

Don't even cut it in half. Use it and create a banana split in the boat of the cookie in the groove. This real big back shit.

[Mal]

Y'all some big back niggas.

[Damaris]

This real big back shit, baby.

[Mal]

You broke down two different fucking desserts.

[Damaris]

I can't eat dairy. I told y'all, it wasn't me, it was the pizza. Rory had to shit up his back too.

[Rory]

Yeah, it did happen.

[Julian]

Oh really?

[Rory]

I had a couple rough Friday pizza.

[Julian]

Actually, no, you had a rough Friday.

[Mal]

You said that. You didn't tell us a story about a gay guy hitting on you. He didn't tell us a story.

[Damaris]

Another story he ain't tell y'all. It's wild.

[Rory]

So Thursday, I'm walking from the building to the train to come down here, and this guy starts walking alongside me. And there's a lot of crackheads in that area, so it's not weird for just some guy to start walking.

[Mal]

Just threw a dial on the ground behind you. Like, here you go.

[Rory]

No, listen, I keep my money prayers to everybody involved.

[Mal]

I get it.

[Rory]

And he said, yo, can I take you out? Like, I can hear him. Because I don't keep my noise cancellations on the city. I got to be able to hear what's going on.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Say, yo, can I take you out? Straight up.

[Mal]

Got right to it.

[Rory]

And I looked and I laughed, and I just kept walking. And he was persistent, and I'm a fast walker. He kept up with the pace and was like, maybe another time. Like, you're just not free today. Like, can I take you to dinner? I'm like, no, man, leave me the alone.

[Damaris]

Were you smiling like that?

[Rory]

Yes.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

Because he was attractive. Like, he wasn't, like a slouch. I was actually kind of like, okay. Felt a little all right about you get him. I felt like I was a little bummy, too. I was like, oh, this is just like me and my regular laundry day.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Like, man's hair tie chilling with no makeup on.

[Julian]

Look at mall. So he was bad.

[Rory]

He's very persistent. While I'm now just looking at my phone and walking like, all right, what's up? We had a light.

[Mal]

That's how long. And this nigga was blushing, man.

[Rory]

Yeah, sometimes he was blushing. Sometimes you need to, like, hear that. You're pretty chapstick. I mean, they say when gays compliments you, that's, like, the real compliment.

[Julian]

It is high praise.

[Mal]

Who said that?

[Damaris]

A lot of people. If a gay man compliments you as a man, like, you know, you that. Like, you fine.

[Julian]

That is the thing. Small mad.

[Damaris]

Ain't nobody sitting on him.

[Julian]

You never.

[Mal]

I don't. I'm mad cause A ain't hitting on me. The marriage. Shut the up. Go ahead.

[Damaris]

You're not a baddie.

[Rory]

It gets better. Because, like, once he was persistent. I was like, nah. He started joking, like. And he was. He was pretty funny.

[Julian]

He rizzed you, like.

[Rory]

I was like, all right, man, maybe we just do lunch. I was like, nah. I'm about like, please leave me alone. And he goes, it's because I'm black, right? I said, yeah. And then he walked into City md.

[Damaris]

You ain't telling me no. He dapped you up in the Other story you told us you dapped him up.

[Rory]

That was a hug.

[Damaris]

It was like a dad.

[Rory]

We exchanged numbers. I got to see his results.

[Julian]

I was gonna say, you got to get a screen panel. If he's clean, then yeah.

[Rory]

Nobody walks into that city in MD for real.

[Mal]

Else you might catch.

[Rory]

That's for STDs and STDs only.

[Mal]

Might catch something walking in that city. MD touch the doorknob. You got it now.

[Rory]

But you guys laughed at me on Thursday. Like I felt good about myself. That this attractive?

[Mal]

Nah, but I ain't.

[Rory]

He looked like he had a lot going on for himself. He was young, too. Definitely younger than me.

[Mal]

Like, I didn't know you was a.

[Rory]

Nice 25 year old gay man.

[Damaris]

Yo, you really pulling him.

[Julian]

Damn. You tried. A twink tried to scoop you.

[Mal]

Yeah, but I ain't know. You ain't like.

[Rory]

Nah, he scooped.

[Mal]

You didn't shut him down though?

[Rory]

No, I said no from the beginning.

[Mal]

Nah, you ain't shut.

[Rory]

He just started to talk me into it.

[Mal]

Yeah. Yeah, but you ain't. You didn't. You didn't once say, I'm not gay.

[Julian]

If that block was. If that walk was longer, he might have. You might have got him.

[Rory]

All I kept saying was no in the real story.

[Mal]

Yeah, but why you need to say, I'm not gay?

[Rory]

He was too persistent.

[Damaris]

Hold on.

[Rory]

That wouldn't have stopped him.

[Mal]

He was persistent because he thought you was gay?

[Rory]

He was. If he was straight, he was the type that if a girl said, yo, I got a boyfriend, he would say, oh, they don't let you have friends. Like he was on that type of.

[Mal]

So if you say, yo, I'm not gay. What you thought he would have said.

[Rory]

I'll turn you out yet?

[Julian]

Yeah, I was going to say that.

[Rory]

His Riz was crazy.

[Mal]

Yet it's crazy if a hitting on me. I'm like, yo, fam, I'm not gay. He like, yet, but now we gotta fight. Now you ain't sleep yet. Like, now you ain't knocked out yet, you mean yet?

[Damaris]

No, I'm asking what he looked like because I had that same experience with somebody who was obviously a listener of this podcast. I kept walking. Huh.

[Rory]

I mean, in Manhattan, it must have been the same guy, right?

[Damaris]

Were you near the studio at all?

[Rory]

No, I was on 40 seconds.

[Damaris]

Oh, okay, okay. I'm sorry. I didn't hear that part then. No, but he did that to me. Like, he, like walked with me and I was like, hey. And he, like, kept walking. So I'm like, oh, maybe that was the same same guy. Cuz maybe he didn't the part purpose was maybe he wasn't gay. Maybe he was trying to take you out because he was a fan.

[Rory]

No, he was gay. As what?

[Mal]

How in any of that story did you get that that man wasn't gay? How did you, how did you come up with that?

[Damaris]

Like, maybe he wasn't. He didn't say, I'm trying to, I'm trying to suck your dick. He said, yo, can I take you for drinks?

[Rory]

I mean, it's, I'm. He said dinner.

[Damaris]

Okay, dinner.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I'm not a, I'm not, I'm not a drink girl. Like you have to take me out.

[Julian]

Let's. Drinks are great.

[Rory]

It takes a little bit more with me.

[Mal]

You go with random men to go drink.

[Julian]

No, no, I'm saying in my, in my dating scenario, I take. I would get drinks with a girl.

[Mal]

Okay, yes, but you're. Because you're soon.

[Julian]

No, but I was more critiquing him, saying he's worth the food, not just the drinks. When I'm saying drinks are fine, drinks are great.

[Rory]

I was just confused because I was on 42nd and 9th, one more avenue over. He would have cleaned up on 10th in Hell's Kitchen.

[Damaris]

He didn't want all the easy ones. He wanted, you know, the bisexual.

[Mal]

Do we have voicemails?

[Rory]

I mean, yeah, he had me.

[Damaris]

You don't want to bought this topic up. So let Rory gush about getting hit on.

[Mal]

This is, this is nasty.

[Julian]

It's been like four days. He's still thinking about him.

[Mal]

Rory went back to the same block instead.

[Julian]

There Roy went to the city MD Coming through.

[Rory]

Trying to try to get his files.

[Julian]

Coming through. Health records.

[Mal]

Oh my God.

[Julian]

I, I. This voicemail I wanted to start with today actually leads to the demure flee conversation that we, that we just finished. So let's go down memory lane.

[Mal]

You've got mail I with the pod. Got a question, so I'm going to get straight to it.

[Julian]

Delay was crazy.

[Mal]

Is there a word or a phrase current or in the past that you cannot stand Me. Could not stand the word fleek. That shit just made my skin crawl. And you had to be a specific type of ghetto to use it.

[Damaris]

Whatever.

[Rory]

The other word for me Ellen used.

[Mal]

It is Riz can't stand it. To me it sounds like the name of a Bully from a 90s movie. Watch out for Riz. He's coming down the street. You know what I'm saying? She's weird to me. Anyway, if y'all can add to that would be fine.

[Rory]

Thank you. Zoovie.

[Mal]

I hate it.

[Julian]

Zoovi is trash. I love it, though.

[Rory]

This is a joke.

[Mal]

Yo, it's a zoovie. I'm not going.

[Rory]

I hate it.

[Mal]

As soon as the tell me, yo, it's a zoovie in it, I'm not going.

[Rory]

I hated lit, and then I started saying it as a joke, and then I started saying it seriously. Like, lit won me over somehow. If cap was very similar in that regard. I don't really use it. I use it as a joke.

[Julian]

I'm good.

[Rory]

That bothered me.

[Julian]

I'm good on. It's giving.

[Mal]

You're not supposed to say that.

[Rory]

Yes, that's.

[Julian]

No, I just don't like when people say. I don't say. I'm just saying. I don't like when people say it because it's like, shut up, you know?

[Rory]

I'm glad. Did not connect at all. Was cray cray, Craig. That shit cray did not. It did not connect. That song was number one everywhere. That. That word did not stick.

[Damaris]

It did for a little while. It did. It did.

[Rory]

People was going around seriously saying, yo, that cray cray.

[Damaris]

Yeah, cray cray, for sure.

[Rory]

But that's a joke. People say cray cray is a joke. All right, never mind. Maybe they do. Yeah.

[Damaris]

I'm telling you, maybe I was up on that. You wasn't up on the culture?

[Mal]

He wasn't up on the culture. See? Try to tell you that, Ma.

[Julian]

You got one, Zoovie.

[Damaris]

I don't like bent.

[Mal]

Bent.

[Damaris]

I used to like bent, but I don't like Ben. Remember, bent was a thing when you got drunk.

[Rory]

I mean, Ben surpasses my lifetime. When I. When I arrived here, bent was a thing.

[Damaris]

Really?

[Rory]

Yeah. I didn't, like, hear bent when it came out. Just remember Ben always being here.

[Damaris]

Mama. According to my mother, lit was a thing before. And it, like, came back into style, like when she. Because my mother's about to be 70, so she was like, when I was younger, lit was a thing. But when we said lit, it meant, like, drunk or high. We didn't mean it as in, like, having fun.

[Julian]

What about W? I'm good on that one, too.

[Damaris]

Dub.

[Mal]

W's.

[Julian]

That's more so like streamers, like W's in the chat. Like that.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah.

[Julian]

Just don't say that.

[Rory]

People don't say that in real life.

[Mal]

What does that mean if.

[Julian]

Like, if you're. If you like the conversation or if you're approving of something W. So you Just. It's like, let's win. Yeah. What about Delulu?

[Rory]

I'm not familiar with that. Put me on.

[Mal]

It's not my demographic.

[Julian]

Delusional.

[Rory]

Oh, see, I wouldn't never even put those two things together. A lot of this stuff isn't Gen Z slang, though. Bet is not Gen Z.

[Damaris]

Bet is not Gen Z. Sus is not Gen Z.

[Julian]

No, this is just general slang.

[Rory]

But. No, but they're thinking not Gen Z. Fam is definitely not fam.

[Damaris]

Is that used to be. Oh, my God, Rory's favorite word. It might still be Rory's.

[Julian]

That is Rory's. That's fam. Big fam.

[Rory]

I try to stop saying son, and I've been great at it for the past however many years.

[Damaris]

Oh, my God.

[Rory]

Son was like the I. Every other word I said was sung for a very long time.

[Mal]

That's Queens, though.

[Rory]

That's New York.

[Mal]

But Queens is heavy on sun. Queens niggas was heavy on son.

[Rory]

I know.

[Mal]

That was always a queen. Shit.

[Rory]

I never felt like I was cool enough to say done. I would always, like, say it more as a joke. Done. I was never cool.

[Julian]

Is dead ass a thing outside of New York?

[Rory]

They say it is now.

[Mal]

It is now.

[Julian]

I don't. I just. I really don't hear it anywhere outside of New York.

[Rory]

I think out of all these, I think main character might be the only thing that Gen Z can. Oh, and T, I guess, is T Gen Z? Or is that us?

[Damaris]

I feel like that's us. But they take. They use it more than we do. But we definitely created it.

[Rory]

T is I said as a joke, but is now in my vocabulary.

[Julian]

Are there any words that no longer are common slang that you would like to bring back?

[Mal]

Oh, my God. You know which one I want to bring back.

[Julian]

I mean, I'm with you on that. I think we all are.

[Mal]

A great word. It's a great fucking word. Can we please bring it back?

[Rory]

Marijuana. All of Twitter tried to bring B back.

[Mal]

B. B, like, what's good, B?

[Rory]

What's up? Yeah.

[Damaris]

No, I don't remember that.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Damaris]

I with BE, though.

[Rory]

I, like, I always didn't. But to me, that was always, like, a Harlem thing.

[Julian]

It would have been nice for the Bloods.

[Mal]

What?

[Julian]

Well, then I could just be that. Why would.

[Mal]

Just shut the up. No, I get it. Just shut up.

[Damaris]

When normal people, like, I always find it funny when, like, normies try to use normies, which is another Gen Z. Yeah. Normies try to use, like, gang language. Like when normal people were saying what's cracking. And it's like, you don't need to. You don't need to say that. Or was Bracken. You don't need to stop.

[Mal]

Yeah, I never understood people saying that. That wasn't in gangs. That was just weird.

[Rory]

But that started, like, when all the girls in high school started dating Crips, like, before it got to the mainstream. You. You knew right away when a girl's language started to change. Like, why. Why are you talking like that?

[Mal]

Yeah, like, which one of them niggas you fucking with?

[Julian]

What about, like, old time, like, Joe Biden era slang? Like the cat's pajamas, 30s. Or like the bees knees?

[Damaris]

The bees knees is fire.

[Rory]

I love old.

[Julian]

I still say blotto. Blot. Instead of getting, like, drunk.

[Mal]

Cruising for cruising. Cruising for a bruise. Oh, no, that was my.

[Rory]

My dad says that to me to this day.

[Mal]

Yeah, that was my. You cruising for a bruising.

[Julian]

Sandwich is a classic.

[Rory]

And then when they actually would punch you in the mouth, there was like.

[Damaris]

A tick tock trend going on of, like, where a couple people were making videos about, like, they were, like. What happened to, like, the, like, stereotypical cheerleader white girl in all their slang? Because they used to have, like, the super cool slang, like a white girl call you a loser back in the day with the L on the forehead.

[Rory]

L7. Oh, make it a square.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Oh, wait, that's what L7 was, a square.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

You didn't know that?

[Rory]

You're an L and a 7. You're a loser. See, I mean, it's more of a rectangle, but, you know, you see the. That's so.

[Damaris]

I never even thought I've used it before, but I never knew, like, so.

[Rory]

Which, like, I didn't even know what.

[Mal]

I thought it was.

[Rory]

Numerology.

[Mal]

You are L7.

[Damaris]

No, I just.

[Julian]

Talk to the hand. Used to bang.

[Damaris]

Talk to the hand. Yeah.

[Rory]

Cut the. Wait, cut the gas.

[Julian]

These are from the 50s.

[Mal]

That's farting like a good one nowadays. Cut the gas.

[Julian]

The big tickle is crazy. Who is that?

[Rory]

Can I get some context to what the Big Tickle was?

[Julian]

Yeah, who goes by that Big tickle?

[Mal]

We don't want to get all judgy, but if anything funny is described as a big tickle.

[Damaris]

Oh, like a bit like a good time. Like, it's okay, I get it, I get it. I get that. The big. Oh, I'm gonna start using big tickle. It's like, basically like you having a good. Y'all having a funky good time.

[Mal]

A funky.

[Julian]

A funky good time.

[Mal]

You born in 53.

[Damaris]

What the.

[Mal]

You mean you're having a funky, funky good time?

[Rory]

Remember? As if.

[Damaris]

As if that was Clueless, right?

[Mal]

Didn't movie clueless make that popular?

[Rory]

Probably. I don't know.

[Julian]

Far out's pretty cool.

[Mal]

Nah, I never with. Far out. That.

[Rory]

Yeah, I don't know if that.

[Julian]

Oh, my bad.

[Mal]

That was like, for like.

[Damaris]

Gobbledygook is crazy.

[Rory]

I don't know if I ever got that one off.

[Damaris]

Gobbledygook is crazy. I use rigmarole a lot. Like, I fuck with rigmarole.

[Julian]

Chrome dome is kind of fire, you know?

[Rory]

I'm glad came and went. Lamping.

[Damaris]

What?

[Julian]

Oh, man.

[Rory]

Lamping was bad.

[Damaris]

I have no idea what the.

[Rory]

That's like chilling.

[Mal]

Like lamp. The lamp is just sitting there.

[Rory]

Whoever put that together was high as. Yeah, chillax.

[Damaris]

Oh, chillax.

[Mal]

I never see. That's when got weird.

[Julian]

Geezer.

[Mal]

You started, like, taking words and putting them together.

[Julian]

Geezer.

[Damaris]

Oh, do y'all remember Twitter? I used to get my hands off.

[Rory]

On, like, French Montana.

[Julian]

We just say H. That was like last year.

[Damaris]

That was not like last year.

[Rory]

Oh, snap.

[Mal]

That was my.

[Julian]

You were. What made you snap? You were pico. Snap era.

[Mal]

Hell, yeah.

[Rory]

What made you say oh, snap the first time?

[Damaris]

Because you couldn't say oh in front of your p. Yeah.

[Mal]

You couldn't curse.

[Julian]

What was the first oh, snap? When they hit the second tower.

[Rory]

He was 30.

[Mal]

I was way. Was way. I was. I was using full blown curse. When they hit the tower.

[Rory]

Holy. A plane just ran into the World Trade Center.

[Mal]

Exactly. Like, I didn't say, oh, snap. I saw a plane hit the World Trade Center. No. Oh, snap. No, it was definitely like, what the is going on?

[Damaris]

Your. Did you guys. Grandparents. I don't know. Or like aunts. You couldn't say, like, lying was like a curse word. Like, I could not say she's lying. Like, I would get popped. I would have to say like, she's telling a tale or she's storytelling. I could not say lying.

[Rory]

That sounds like a cult.

[Damaris]

When I was a kid.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

You say, yo, she lying. It's like you about to tell the truth. Shut up.

[Damaris]

No, it was like lying was just a bad word. You could not say lying.

[Mal]

Oh, okay.

[Julian]

Shut up. It's a much bigger deal than it. Than they made it out to be.

[Mal]

Yeah. Shut up.

[Damaris]

So I couldn't say shut up.

[Julian]

Shut up was like. Look at. It's like saying.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

That was crazy. Shut up. Shut up.

[Damaris]

You had to say be quiet.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Everybody take themselves back to their High school hallway.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

Kind of beside them all here. When I say she's a skis, you know the girl that just popped up in your head, too, right? When I saw the word skis, I knew the girl that popped up right in my head when I saw the word ski.

[Mal]

Skis come from Skisa.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Did y'all have gig?

[Mal]

I spoke to him the other day.

[Damaris]

No, not shout out to gigs. Gig. Y'all didn't have gig in y'all school?

[Rory]

No.

[Mal]

Like, go get a. Like a gig. Like a job?

[Julian]

Get a gig? Yeah.

[Damaris]

No, gig was like a. Like a. Like, she's a gig. It might have been a Syracuse thing.

[Mal]

Yeah, that was. That's. That's local.

[Damaris]

Slore.

[Rory]

What was, like, the background of what it meant?

[Damaris]

No idea.

[Julian]

Ghetto gigger Slore was definitely the thing.

[Damaris]

Slore.

[Mal]

Slower was just slut and hog combined.

[Damaris]

Now it's treesh. The kids say treesh.

[Mal]

What does that mean?

[Julian]

I've never heard of that.

[Damaris]

The kids say treesh.

[Julian]

Now, Ghana has a song called Treesh. Is that about.

[Mal]

It's like a hoe. But how does. What do you. Like, what did trees come from? Like, I don't know.

[Rory]

Why do we keep coming up with more words for horror? Like, do we need more?

[Mal]

And why we just can't bring back the one word that we need to bring back? No, I'm not gonna say it. But why we just can't bring it back.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but Jump off.

[Rory]

Booyah.

[Damaris]

Did y'all use jump off or jump when I was in high school? Was jump.

[Rory]

Jump off was definitely a thing.

[Mal]

Like, she's a jump.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah. That was for horror, for sure.

[Mal]

Another. Another word for whore.

[Rory]

Yeah. Jump.

[Mal]

She's a jump.

[Julian]

We do have a lot of words for that. It's like Eskimos and only, like, a thousand words for snow.

[Rory]

It's the same thing.

[Damaris]

Yeah, for sure. Definitely draw the parallels.

[Rory]

We have one more point.

[Julian]

Yeah, let's do it. This is a fun one, I think.

[Mal]

Hi, guys.

[Rory]

What's up? It's Cindy.

[Mal]

I called in a couple of weeks ago.

[Damaris]

I'm from la, so I was the.

[Mal]

Teacher that called in.

[Damaris]

So here's my question. Well, two questions.

[Mal]

Let's say you've been dating somebody for a while and then you guys break up.

[Damaris]

Is it weird if you unfollow them and their family pretty quickly?

[Rory]

So that's my first question.

[Mal]

And the second question is, what about, like, I'm a girl and my ex's friends still follow me after the breakup?

[Rory]

Is that weird?

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Mal]

Thank you guys have a great one.

[Rory]

Love you, Julian. Hey. See? Good comments.

[Julian]

Got a reason to go to LA now.

[Rory]

Never mind.

[Julian]

To say hi.

[Rory]

Just to say hi. Jump off the follow thing. I don't really get. I don't know. Everyone follow people. You unfollow everyone after they break up with their significant other.

[Damaris]

No, I. I don't. No.

[Julian]

I don't want to make this sexist, but I feel like that's something women care way more about.

[Rory]

Yeah. I mean, if I got blocked by.

[Julian]

A guy not too long ago, I was like, that's the gayest move I've ever seen in my life.

[Rory]

It does take a lot. But I. If. If my friend breaks up with this girl, I'm not gonna unfollow her. I don't know. That's.

[Mal]

It depends on why they broke up.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mal]

Depends on why. If it's, like, nasty and then, like, she got some dudes to, like, run down to my man crib and all of that, then, yeah, she got unfollow her. Like, I'm not with her, but if it's just like, my homeboy got caught cheating and she broke up with him, I don't think I should.

[Julian]

Not right away, maybe doing that, like, day of.

[Damaris]

Seems like it also depends on your relationship with the person. Yeah.

[Mal]

Oh, well, it always depends on that.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Julian]

It mostly depends on how it ended, but yeah.

[Mal]

But if you. If you call some dudes to run down on my boy, like, and he got jumped, I'm not. Of course I'm unfollowing you.

[Damaris]

You.

[Mal]

I might have somebody come jump you now. Like, we're not cool, but I like following people that know I don't with them no more, though.

[Julian]

I kind of like that, too.

[Mal]

Yeah, I like that.

[Rory]

I don't want to make a joke out of what happened with Cash Doll, but people broke into her house, which is coward. People that break in houses.

[Damaris]

Rory, I saw the tweet. Don't.

[Rory]

It's weirdo. But she suggested that her ex husband or boyfriend, father of their children, fought off the intruders. And then someone on Twitter replied and said, that's how you get your homies to get your family back.

[Damaris]

You're sick. I told you not to repeat it. You're sick.

[Mal]

I'm not even laughing at that.

[Rory]

That's not funny to you at all?

[Mal]

No.

[Rory]

Imagine hiring your friends to break into your house and you defend your family and beat them up. And she's like, well, we should get back together, yo.

[Mal]

Beating your friends up.

[Rory]

Like, that plan.

[Mal]

Like, I wanted to be at that meeting when they put that plan together. Like, all right, so I'm gonna punch you in your face. But it's. You know, I mean, it ain't. I don't mean it. No, you not. Like, you can just come out with a gun and I'm gonna just run out the house.

[Rory]

Like, remember when they set that up in Mr. D's? When they do the fake, like, robbery, the purse?

[Julian]

Yeah. It's a great thing.

[Rory]

He beats the shit out of the guy that they plotted the whole thing. After she goes, I sure hope that mugger got home safe. Beat the living out of him.

[Julian]

Mr. D is a damn. That's a great movie.

[Rory]

Well, to her question, I don't know. I don't really. That type of thing doesn't really enter my mind. I don't really give a. Everyone can follow everyone. I don't put stake into that type of really at all. And if people do cool, that's their.

[Julian]

Yeah, it has. It depends on how it ends. If it ended horribly and this person's like, a negative light, like, in your life, then it's probably best to just rid of them altogether.

[Rory]

I've been blocked by friends, ex girlfriends, when I had done nothing wrong at all, but I didn't. If that's what you want to do, cool. Whatever brings you peace, that's all I got.

[Damaris]

I'm not. Yeah, I'm not. I've been blocked, but when people go through things with their significant other. But I'm not unfollowing. I mean, it depends if I like your content. I'll keep following you. If you was posting anyway, and I was just following you to be nice, I'll unfollow you. You could take it how you want to take it. I don't really, but if Mal or Rory broke up with somebody, I'm not going to unfollow them just because they broke up.

[Rory]

I wouldn't feel any type of way if you kept following them.

[Damaris]

Yeah, it's like. It's just.

[Rory]

Guess what? I also wouldn't even check some people.

[Mal]

Really check some people you got to unfollow.

[Rory]

I've never went through Damaris's followers. Like, I'm not gonna be like, yo, who's Demer? Still following somebody. I wouldn't even.

[Julian]

Oh, speaking of, like, nasty eras, remember that? Like, the follow for follow trend.

[Damaris]

Follow Fridays, Follow Fridays, the follow trains.

[Mal]

Oh.

[Julian]

Oh, that's so lame.

[Damaris]

God, it was bad.

[Julian]

That is so lame.

[Mal]

I know. People look back and be like, yo, what the was I Thinking.

[Rory]

All right, well, Detroit, we will see you this week.

[Mal]

Yes.

[Rory]

You're hearing this now on Tuesday the 20th. We are in Detroit in two days. Two days.

[Mal]

August 22nd, Saint Andrews Hall. Can't wait to see the beautiful people of Michigan.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mal]

You can't just say Detroit because sure to be people coming from.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Different parts of Michigan.

[Rory]

Swing state.

[Mal]

Love Michigan. Beautiful city.

[Rory]

We'll be in Chicago on the 25th of this week as well.

[Mal]

City winery.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mal]

Another beautiful city. Chi town.

[Rory]

Are you going to take me Motown.

[Mal]

Chi town, huh?

[Rory]

Are you gonna take me around Detroit?

[Mal]

Nah.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mal]

I don't know around Detroit like that.

[Damaris]

Are you gonna go visit you guys's friend that. That taught you how to fight?

[Rory]

Oh, yeah. He was kind of deep. He wasn't in Detroit per se, like, he was on the other side of 8 mile, as they would say. Like, he was in another town in Michigan. I'm not. I would say, what's up? But that was kind of a drive. I think I'm cool.

[Mal]

What's up, Dale? But I. I said it.

[Damaris]

I feel like y'all.

[Rory]

He's listening for sure, too.

[Mal]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Damaris]

You got your first belt. Like, you could have, like, got some new moves, you know?

[Rory]

That is true.

[Mal]

Yeah. Yeah. Dale probably got some new that he ain't even put on the Internet yet.

[Rory]

Maybe set up a private session in the hotel or something.

[Mal]

In the room? Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, close combat.

[Mal]

Yeah. What would you do right here?

[Damaris]

Why are you wrestling?

[Rory]

What would you do if your son was at home crying alone on the bedroom floor because he's hungry?

[Mal]

Tickets available now newroariamal.com Hope to see y'all in Michigan or Chicago this weekend.

[Rory]

If I hang out with the noi, will you come with me?

[Mal]

If you hang out with the noi?

[Rory]

Yeah. I mean, it's one of their biggest cities.

[Mal]

You just gonna hang out with them, like, doing what, though?

[Rory]

Lamping?

[Mal]

We'll talk to you. We'll talk to y'all soon, man. Be safe, be blessed. Have a safe week. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. Peace.

[Damaris]

No warrior now.