Episode 300 | 300

Summary

Podcast Summary: New Rory & MAL – Episode 300 | 300

Podcast Information:

• Title: New Rory & MAL
• Host/Author: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume
• Description: New stories, new laughs, new random hot takes that no one asked for... New Rory & Mal
• Episode: Episode 300 | 300
• Release Date: September 6, 2024

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1. Celebrating the Milestone: 300 Episodes

The hosts, Rory and Mal, kick off the episode by acknowledging the significant milestone of reaching 300 episodes. They reflect on the skepticism from listeners who initially doubted the show's longevity.

• Rory (00:57): "We seen all the comments. They didn't think we would. We would make 300."
• Mal (01:28): "Thank you to everyone on the team. You guys are appreciated. Couldn't have done it without you."

2. Reflecting on the Journey and Growth

Rory and Mal discuss the sheer volume of content they've produced, including regular and Patreon-exclusive episodes. They emphasize that 300 episodes barely scratch the surface of their extensive work.

• Mal (03:03): "We have obviously put out over 150, 200 some odd Patreon episodes at this point as well."
• Rory (02:40): "It doesn't. Honestly doesn't feel like 300, though. Like, when you put that number on it, it's like."

3. Highlights and Memorable Moments

The hosts reminisce about some of the most entertaining and wild moments from their long run, including interesting guests that have added depth and humor to the show.

• Rory (07:02): "Had some really great moments, some really wild moments, some really interesting moments."
• Mal (07:37): "I think our conversation with Lecrae yesterday. That's going to be on Patreon on Monday."

4. Upcoming Guest Feature: Lecrae

Rory and Mal express excitement about their recent interview with Lecrae, praising his talent and personality. They assure listeners that even those who typically dislike guests will enjoy this episode.

• Mal (07:19): "Was one of my favorite conversations we've had in podcast."
• Rory (07:22): "He's a very interesting, very funny. Has a great story."

5. Tour Experiences: Ice Spice and Cleo Trapper Debacle

A significant portion of the episode delves into the tumultuous tour experience involving Ice Spice and Cleo Trapper. The hosts dissect the issues that arose, including miscommunications about tour accommodations and underlying tensions between the artists.

• Mal (04:26): "They thought Sean was done, but here we are."
• Julian (11:21): "How old do we think Cleopatra trappa is? Like 20 something?"
• Rory (52:04): "She's on stage for 12 shows. Where are you?"

Notable Quotes:

• Rory (57:00): "You have to stop acting like we all sit down and have that conversation."
• Mal (78:24): "Treat a woman like a human being."

6. Handling Voicemails and Listener Interactions

The podcast features humorous and candid interactions with listeners through voicemails. Stories range from late bloomers struggling with relationships to playful banter among the hosts.

• Julian (86:33): "I have a lot of girlfriends, you're like, that's good."
• Rory (99:12): "That's the main thing, you have to belong."

7. Condolences and Tributes: Fat Man Scoop and Rich Homie Quan

Rory and Mal take a solemn turn to pay respects to recently passed artists Fat Man Scoop and Rich Homie Quan. They share personal anecdotes and express their sorrow over the tragic losses, highlighting the importance of mental health and the fleeting nature of life.

• Rory (131:08): "Rest in peace to Mr. Isaac Freeman III, better known as Fat Man Scoop."
• Mal (131:37): "Rest in peace, Rich Homie Quan. Condolences to his family."

Notable Quotes:

• Mal (129:08): "What Can we say to respect that way to end the pod."
• Rory (133:48): "Rest in peace to a legend in his own right."

8. Relationship Advice and Discussions on Lust

Towards the episode's end, the hosts engage in a deep discussion about relationships, lust, and personal growth. They offer advice on moving beyond purely physical attractions to form meaningful connections.

• Rory (117:07): "Develop a relationship with a girl that you think is cute or pretty."
• Mal (122:34): "Have a real relationship with another human being."

Notable Quotes:

• Damaris (120:07): "I take full accountability for picking terrible men."
• Mal (123:00): "Never used that card."

9. Closing Remarks and Future Plans

As they wrap up, Rory and Mal emphasize the importance of self-care, mental health, and living life to the fullest. They hint at future episodes and encourage listeners to support their guests and projects.

• Rory (135:00): "Enjoy life. Live life."
• Mal (136:01): "New warrior now."

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Conclusion

Episode 300 | 300 of New Rory & MAL is a rich tapestry of celebration, reflection, controversy, humor, and heartfelt tributes. Rory and Mal navigate through their extensive journey, addressing both triumphs and challenges with candidness and wit. From dissecting tour dramas to honoring fallen artists and offering genuine relationship advice, this milestone episode encapsulates the essence of what has made New Rory & MAL a beloved fixture in the podcast landscape.

Listeners are treated to a blend of insightful discussions, memorable quotes, and authentic interactions that not only celebrate the podcast's longevity but also provide valuable takeaways on personal growth and community support.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Rory (00:57): "We seen all the comments. They didn't think we would. We would make 300."
• Mal (07:19): "Was one of my favorite conversations we've had in podcast."
• Rory (57:00): "You have to stop acting like we all sit down and have that conversation."
• Mal (78:24): "Treat a woman like a human being."
• Rory (131:08): "Rest in peace to Mr. Isaac Freeman III, better known as Fat Man Scoop."
• Mal (123:00): "Never used that card."

Transcript

[Rory]

No. And while we smoke 101, I'm 300. Click like, pow. Now he running. No, he with my youngest. Them be drumming. They take your ass down. We need them bricks to summer. Keep this 100. I keep this. I pull up in an hour. You pull up.

[Mal]

Take two. We are back 300 episodes. 300 and a half since we just had to restart. Ruined my first five second intro, but it's cool. How are you? How you feel? 300. That's big. You've been waiting for this. You talk about this a lot.

[Rory]

I'm stir my tea and let you get your intro in.

[Mal]

I don't really have like an intro. It's just been 300 because I got.

[Rory]

Some things on my mind today.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Oh, we get right to your. Your thoughts. I don't really.

[Rory]

We seen all. We seen all the comments. They didn't think we would. We would make 300.

[Mal]

I didn't pay any of those comments any mind. Oh, they thought we were.

[Rory]

They thought we was over at 55, Rory.

[Mal]

They thought we were over at 2.

[Rory]

You know what I mean? They thought it was over. Here we are sitting on top of 300.

[Mal]

Yeah. Thank you to everyone on the team. You guys are appreciated. Couldn't have done it without you. You guys look thrilled.

[Damaris]

Yay.

[Mal]

Julian looks amazed right now. Going through all 299 episodes.

[Julian]

My only comment was going to be it would be 350 episodes if we counted for all the shit we had to cut out.

[Mal]

That too. Yeah. We have like full episodes.

[Julian]

We have episodes and segments that we've had to scrap that have, quite frankly, more often than not, been my favorite parts of the show. But you know how that goes.

[Mal]

One day, like when we're all retiring, going off into the sunset, we should leak all the episodes that would get us canceled.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Just as like a final hurrah now. Not even paywall it. Just like, just put them out.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

I mean, I've tried to fight to put some of those out in the day that they happen, but, you know.

[Mal]

I still want to put out the Candace Owens episode.

[Julian]

No, that's the only one I don't want to put out. No.

[Mal]

I thought that was a great conversation. All right, fine. That'll stay behind a paywall, but 300. Cool. We don't really have any balloons or celebrations, but I guess we should. We should celebrate in the moment. My therapist says I don't do that enough.

[Rory]

I don't celebrate the moment.

[Mal]

Yeah, like, you should really take a step back and be happy of our accomplishments. 300 episodes. That's a lot of potting.

[Rory]

That's a lot of. A lot of talking.

[Mal]

A lot of not including Patreon, right?

[Rory]

No, that's just a lot of talking, a lot of audio, a lot of time in front of the camera. But it doesn't. Honestly doesn't feel like 300, though. Like, when you put that number on it, it's like. Because we record so many other things and. Yeah, you know, it's like 300 doesn't even seem like it's like. No, it's. It's more than 300.

[Mal]

Yeah. I'm counting in years at this point.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Episodes. I don't even really particularly.

[Julian]

Yeah, well, and also it's. It's 300 regular episodes. We've obviously put out over 150, 200 some odd Patreon episodes at this point as well, so that, you know, all available. Patreon.com so if you want to get 400.

[Mal]

I like the book.

[Julian]

400 plus something episodes. Those are all there.

[Mal]

But yeah, I don't really have much as. As far as celebrating 300. I mean, I guess. I don't know. Do we think back at all our amazing moments? I hate doing this.

[Julian]

What are you guys.

[Mal]

I feel like we have to talk about it. I mean, thank you to all the listeners for listening for 300 episodes.

[Rory]

Most importantly, thank you to all the listeners. Everybody that comes out and supports us, everybody that comes to the live shows, people that interact on social media. Whether it's good or bad, we appreciate all of it. Yeah, sometimes I appreciate the negative comments.

[Mal]

Why? I mean, I don't particularly care, but.

[Rory]

Because it just. It just proves me right, most of.

[Mal]

The time that people are miserable.

[Rory]

Yeah, exactly. It just proves me right. So when you see miserable people online, you're like, oh, there you go.

[Mal]

They caught someone this past week that was complimenting our last episode and, you know, being a father and that whole conversation that we had on Tuesday and they found like an old clip of him. I don't Twitter spaces or what it was. He was like, they not lasting more than 55 episodes. They're done.

[Rory]

That's the gentleman I was talking about. That's exactly who I'm talking about.

[Damaris]

Him.

[Mal]

And then he said, facts can change. That was his. His reply.

[Rory]

Facts can.

[Mal]

That's. I thought it was funny.

[Rory]

Facts can change. I like that. Because facts can change.

[Mal]

They can.

[Rory]

Facts can.

[Mal]

But it wasn't a fact when he said it at 55.

[Rory]

No, that wasn't a fact. But fact change. He's Right. In saying that is true.

[Julian]

Because it's not like the basis of science. What's at one point has been scientifically proven to be true, therefore a fact over time has changed. Like the Earth or, you know, the center. The Earth being the center of the universe. At one point, they believed that episode. That was the fact, and then it was proven to be wrong, and then the facts changed.

[Rory]

Well, no, we're agreeing that no facts do change.

[Julian]

No, I know.

[Mal]

I'm providing it wasn't a scientific fact that we were done.

[Julian]

Well, no, that wasn't signed. That was just a dumbass with a Twitter account.

[Mal]

And Foushee only says scientific facts.

[Damaris]

Well, he's a fan now. I don't want y'all to shit out of him, but he might have watched it at episode 50 and felt like the shit wasn't going nowhere. And then after a while, we have gotten. Oh, first of all, this is 300 episodes. We have gotten better. Like, that's like, we've grown.

[Rory]

That's subjective.

[Damaris]

I can't agree.

[Mal]

But it's fine that he wasn't a fan and is now. I think that's great. Thank you for coming on the journey and giving us more grace. And now you're. You like what we do.

[Rory]

Let me start to say it was.

[Mal]

A fact at 55. Like, in the confidence in what you said, like, no, no, that's a fact. They're done at 55.

[Julian]

Yeah, but no one gets on the Internet and goes, like, just my opinion. I wouldn't take that seriously.

[Mal]

No. People on the Internet and streamers just scream facts as loud as they possibly can. And for some reason, people think that means it's true, but, you know, world we live in. Julian, your hair looks different. Is something. Did you do something?

[Julian]

I just. Yeah, Today I just went. What do they say? What are the women our natural. Nah, All a you not. I don't want to say all natural. I want to say all. All. Like the French one.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

You're American.

[Julian]

There's no product in my hair is what I'm saying. I. This is out the shower, straight to the studio.

[Damaris]

Now you look mulatto.

[Julian]

This is what they call it. My. My natural frizz. Yeah.

[Mal]

How long before, like, a girl can see you in your natural state?

[Julian]

If she sleeps over and wakes up.

[Rory]

Next to me, she would be so privileged.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Would you do the bonnet with like.

[Julian]

A. I don't think I've ever wanted to wear that.

[Rory]

No, you wear bonnets.

[Julian]

I don't need. That helps you.

[Damaris]

You don't know you need it until you wear it.

[Julian]

I don't need it.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mal]

Could be cute.

[Rory]

All right, well, 300 episodes. Thank you for joining us along this journey. It's been fun.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Had some really great moments, some really wild moments, some really interesting moments. Interesting guests.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Had a very interesting guest that y'all will hear from next week.

[Mal]

Yeah. I think we should plug it. I think our conversation with Lecrae yesterday. That's going to be on Patreon on Monday.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Was one of my favorite conversations we've had in podcast.

[Rory]

I had a really, really great time talking to Lecray. He's a. He's a very interesting, very funny. Has a great story, and he's. And he's talented. So anytime you meet talented people, but they have a cool personality to match that, that's always a fun conversation.

[Mal]

I think even the listeners that have been very vocal of not liking guests, which. But there is also a market for people that like guests. I think the people that don't like guests will still like this episode.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

It definitely didn't feel like a guest pod.

[Rory]

We'll start having a guest every episode.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

Just for that reason, they don't tell Rogan they don't like guests. Right.

[Mal]

That's. But that's his platform.

[Julian]

That's the basic.

[Rory]

We making that this platform. Interviewing. All you drill, come up here, do whatever you want. Yeah, we interview. Just come up here. Chef G would love to have you.

[Mal]

My brother, if you have an alleged body, we want to talk to the crimes you've committed.

[Rory]

Yes, Vlad. Y'all watch him. He get 3 million views. All he doing is snitching. Let's, you know, let's start ratting.

[Mal]

Yo. So speaking of Vlad, did you see the back and forth with Marlon Wayans? Like, wanted to charge him, what, 40k or something for an interview?

[Rory]

Yeah, I remember that.

[Mal]

And that was kind of like the Internet went up and roar for.

[Rory]

And cool.

[Mal]

If that's Marlon Wayne's value, good for him for sticking with it. But I was also, like, is a Marlon Wayne's interview that sought after. And then I see he just did Club Shay Shay, and it's like 1.5 million in, like an hour.

[Rory]

Well, that's because.

[Mal]

I'm sorry, Marlon Waynes. I did not know. I wasn't familiar with your game.

[Damaris]

I'm not familiar with his game yet.

[Julian]

Conversation.

[Rory]

Well, I'm glad you said, you know, apologies to Marlon Waynes. But deeper than that, I think that a lot of people forget that Marlon Wayans is A Wayans, first and foremost, that is comedy royalty. That's royalty in this culture. What his family has been able to do over the last 30 some odd years, not many people can speak to that and say that they've done that. With his older brother, Keenan Ivory Waynes, one of my idols, has been able to do and give to the culture over the years is incredible. And I think people just get lost in, you know, maybe him not having nothing right now that's, you know, relevant or hot right now. That's not clickable right now.

[Mal]

He just wasn't sure if he would be like the hot take guy if he didn't have anything current.

[Rory]

But it's not. That's. People get caught up in the hot take. This is. He's. He's a Wayans, like his. His legacy. He's a legacy act at this point. His history, his stories, his journey, the things he's done, classic movies under his belt. It's. How could you not expect him to have a great interview and a great story?

[Mal]

Do you think people expect that now from Club Shay Shay, though, incredible podcast. But I think with the Cat Williams thing, it may have put expectations where each interview has to be, but that's extremely salacious.

[Rory]

But that's the problem. That's the problem. You can't chase.

[Mal]

See, I'm saying how the fans.

[Rory]

No, no. And I'm saying that's the problem, people. You can't chase that Cat Williams moment. Cat Williams wasn't. He wasn't chasing a moment.

[Mal]

He opened a portal.

[Rory]

He. Exactly. So now you have to go there and be yourself, tell your story. Which I think is what Marlon Wayne's did. Yeah, I saw some of the interview and I thought it was dope. Like his, his storytelling, his personality is. Is something that's entertaining, obviously, and has been entertaining for years. And I think it's cool that sometimes, you know, these guys with these newer platforms that, you know, are on the Internet and think that they can speak down.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

To people that have, you know, done years of, you know, things in. In the way that the Wayans have. I think it's beautiful to watch that turn into a egg on your head or egg in your face for Vlad, because. And no disrespect to Vlad, I fuck with Vlad.

[Mal]

I'm not here to kick his back in because I wasn't on his side in the beginning, but I understood what he was saying when this was his quote. Nobody on earth is paying marlon 40k for an interview. When he gets 100k to 300k views on any platform he interviews on. This guy's really delusional. I mean, I think the last part is a little fucked up. Like, going at calling him delusional, I think is a little over the line. You guys just had a bad business.

[Julian]

He should have gone bipolar or something like that. Right.

[Mal]

Like, you should diagnose him.

[Julian]

Y.

[Mal]

Not as a medical doctor. What he's. For what he's doing. But I kind of agreed with him. I'm not saying Marlon Wayne is not worth 40k for an interview, but I wasn't expecting the 1.5 million in a few hours.

[Rory]

Good. So I'm glad you.

[Mal]

I'm not here to kick Vlad's back, and I kind of agreed with him, but now you have egg on your face.

[Rory]

Yo. But I mean, everybody that agreed with Vlad has egg on their face.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And that's the. And that's the beautiful part about it. And, you know, I mean, again, you lose sight of the guys that have been here for years and have been doing things for years, because in the current state, in the current moment, they may not be as hot as they once were, but that doesn't mean that they can't sit in front of you and give a great conversation, give a great, entertaining interview. And I think that's what Marlon Wayans and Shannon Sharpe were able to give us.

[Mal]

Yeah. I will admit we did pre record our episode at the top of the week so the team could enjoy their holiday weekend. There was a great new music Friday last week that we didn't get to touch upon because, again, we did pre record. Do I dare say Dochi may have album of the year? Can we pull up 2024 albums? Rap albums? I'm ready to say it's. It's album of the year so far.

[Damaris]

Rap album of the year.

[Mal]

Yes.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Mal]

Though it is very much. It's definitely a rap album, but it is split with singing. But I'm gonna go out on a limb. Can you think of a better rap album this year?

[Rory]

I mean, I think it's too soon to say rap album of the year, but I'm not mad at that. It's a really good album.

[Julian]

Vince Staples has it for me still.

[Mal]

Vince is definitely up there. I think that's a great, great comparison. Blue Lips, Schoolboy Q, I think is.

[Julian]

Definitely up there, but I'll give Dochi second. I. I'm. I'm can't stop listening to this album.

[Mal]

Yeah, the Vince album is great, but I don't. This Dolce album, I feel like for the younger generation. This could be their section 80. Like, I already see her mirroring kind of Kendrick's path at the beginning of his career. That's what it feels like to me. And I know it's a crazy statement for an album that's only been out for like six years.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's you putting extra mayo on that. On that burger right there.

[Mal]

I know we joke about the word refreshing, but I have not heard something that, to me, I didn't think the landscape had at all in quite some time. Like this was a such a necessary void that's missing in hip hop right now. What Dochi did, she doesn't sound like anyone else is pushing the genre forward. I can't say enough about this album.

[Rory]

It's a really good album. Alligator Bites Never Heal. I was really, really pleased listening to it. It was. It was fun to listen to. Dochi is, you know, she's really rapping on that. The production is dope, the skits. She even gave us some of her singing on there melodies. This is a complete project. This is a really, really dope project. It sounds like she really took her time with this, and I think it was the perfect timing to drop. This caught me by surprise because obviously I know Dochi is talented, but I honestly wasn't expecting her to give us an album this good.

[Mal]

And I'm not here to shit on pussy rap. I love pussy rap. I think it has a necessary place in hip hop. It's great for when you want to go out, party, do all that type of shit. This just showed the separation between the girls that are just rapping for a lick because that's what's popular right now. And a real fucking artist. This is what happens when a Bentley pulls up to the Chrysler. Like you see the complete difference in the separation of artistry. No offense to Maris, because I know you love pussy rap, but you knew I was. And I could see your face.

[Julian]

She loves Cancers.

[Mal]

I know we're not allowed to say it because we have to empower every single woman that's rapping about her pussy. We have to say it's the greatest thing since. That we've ever heard.

[Rory]

Well, pussy is the greatest thing.

[Mal]

So facts. But I am here to say the separation that you can hear. And I'm sorry that I'm pinning women against women, but I'm still going to talk about a female rapper being a female rapper. The separation is.

[Julian]

It's not even close.

[Mal]

It's night and day.

[Julian]

We can Be as frank as possible. It's not even close. Like you said, she's an artist. This is art. This is a. It's beautiful. The videos, the. The photo shoots. She did a cover for Paper magazine.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Where she took a comments from fans personal and channeled it in a great way. Instead of jumping on Twitter and talking about how wet her is, she did a cover for Paper magazine and said, you guys kept calling me a man. So here's the concept for my Paper magazine shoot. Like, she's fucking incredible. Like, this is. I can't stop listening to this project. I think everything she's done thus far surrounding this album has been incredible.

[Mal]

And hats off to TDE. This is what artist development looks like in 2024.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

There hasn't been artist development in quite some time. This is what it looks like when you take your time.

[Rory]

Yeah, this is. This is what artists hope to do. Take their time with a project. Take their time with a project. That was.

[Julian]

Yeah, this photo shoot is incredible.

[Rory]

But this is what it sounds like when the artist, I think, takes their time, is not in a rush to kind of like feed the ecosystem and truly, you know, live in their art and grow in their art. Dochi has given us a really, really dope out. But, you know, listening to this, it did give me vibes of like, Doge's album though.

[Mal]

Okay. They certainly have a similar cadence.

[Rory]

They have a similar sound, similar cadence, even their tones on some of the records, like, vocally very similar. Also, Lakele 47, I got some of those vibes in there as well.

[Mal]

Love her.

[Rory]

Those are some of my favorite, you know, female. Female artists.

[Mal]

But ironically, you're naming two of the other female rappers that. Now Dochi has entered this realm where men and women can both listen to this.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Be happy.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Which is tough. Like, let's tell the truth. A lot of that women rap is not for us.

[Rory]

No, I can listen to.

[Mal]

It's. It's incredible for the women, but it's not for us. Like, if I'm in the car with my girl and she's playing that shit, it's annoying the fuck out of me.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I'm doing it as a favor for her because she wants to.

[Rory]

Yeah. This is not awkward. If I walk into your crib and this is playing, I'm like, okay, but if I walk into your crib and you got, you know, some of that pussy rap playing, I'm like, I think I'm a slide out. I don't know what you got going on in here today.

[Mal]

But yeah, and I mean, there's. There's plenty of like Griselda shit and, you know, more of that boom bappy stuff that I know women don't want to hear at all and get annoyed with us when we listen to it.

[Rory]

Mm.

[Julian]

Yeah, but that's.

[Mal]

That's where she's gonna be so successful. Because like Doja, she's a female artist that both genders or they gender to them can all listen in a car and be happy.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Which is very rare to find these days at all.

[Julian]

But male or female, the self awareness on this album is really what I. I think gravitated more most to. Because there are some boom baby sounding beats on the first act, the first half. But then you get to the song called Boom Bap and I was like, okay, what is her approach here? And it's her just making fun of like the old head boom bap rap. And it's like, oh, she is just so self aware of what she's doing throughout this project that, like, that, that break between, like the way this gets placed, I think are so well done in terms of just like breaking it up into each act, but also like addressing what she's doing throughout the album. And just the critique on Boom Bap while rapping in Boom Bap and like killing records in that style, it's just. I don't know, Like, I. I listened to it again this morning. It's so damn good.

[Rory]

Too good, right?

[Julian]

It's. It's too good. Where's LeBron's tweet?

[Mal]

He's working on the deluxe.

[Julian]

He's got his next draft up for Eminem's album.

[Rory]

So Doji. She gotta give. Give us two more. Don't worry about it. It's coming.

[Mal]

Denials of river reminded me of Damien by dmx. Like, that's the level she's at already, in my opinion. So I'm really excited for her career. We've been speaking about her for years. Like, I had very high expectations going into this and was almost nervous. Like, damn, she probably has too much pressure. She delivered too much. Too much pressure. She delivered. No, she definitely did, in my opinion. Rap album of the year so far, totally fine with Vince staples.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Being one A1B right now. But this is. This is Next Level, which is the.

[Julian]

Record that she did the breathing exercise on. I'm just like now thinking about the way she does that whole scheme. Like, yeah, I was like, this is. She did well, it was. I'm not gonna do it again. You can listen to it.

[Rory]

I Listen to it.

[Julian]

She does a great job.

[Rory]

No, really great album. Shout out to her entire team and again, shout out to Dochi, man, she. It's just been fun to watch her really grow into the artist that she is now. And incredible album Alligator Bites Never Heal, available now. If you haven't heard it and you're a fan of hip hop, a fan of music, and a fan of artists just being who they are and being their true selves, support this project, stream it, send it to a local streaming farm, tell them to stream it. Let's get Dochi. Let's get Dochi's numbers up because this is definitely a project that we should.

[Mal]

Support also on Friday, the same way, anytime Nas announces something we assume hoven Beyonce are going to drop just to step on it. We have that same theory when it comes to Big Sean and Kendrick. So when I saw that Sean's album was coming out on Friday, I was excited because I love Big Sean. But I also thought, hey, maybe we'll get a Kendrick album that day too. But I see he just sent. He just sent his little homie out. Do to try to step on it.

[Rory]

Yeah, do like, yo, do you get him this?

[Mal]

All right, where do we want to start with the Sean thing? Throughout the entire weekend, I saw a lot of back and forth on the timeline with reviews of this album and their opinion on Big Sean and where he's at in his career. I'll start with my personal opinion for my age and the point that I'm in life. I love the content in this project. I love the calmness of this project. I think it has replay value, but I'm not sure if I'm a consumer that's going to push you to the next level. This is for me. I don't know if it's for the world. I saw a lot of people having flack with it. Like Sean doesn't really have the bops that he used to. It's just too mature. From what I saw, it's too mature. But that had me confused because everyone for the past year, myself included, has been critiquing Drake about being immature. And then we get someone like Sean who could rap for real, is now a father, married, giving us that mature 35, 36 year old type rap. And now everyone wants the ignorant slaps. I mean, you can't really please the Internet or any fan base for the most part. But I think there was just a little too much pushback. It almost felt personal. Like, do y'all just dislike Big Sean? That's what a lot of the criticism felt like to me, I think it's.

[Rory]

Weird because none of you niggas know Big Sean fair. So they're like, you dislike Big Sean. It's like you don't even know him first.

[Julian]

You know, that's not.

[Mal]

These days.

[Julian]

That's.

[Mal]

That's very common with fans. They really have, like, personal issues with people they've never met.

[Rory]

That's the problem with. So then it's the. It's the fans problem, not the artist.

[Mal]

Oh, for sure. But.

[Rory]

All right, so let's.

[Mal]

But it's still a problem.

[Rory]

Speak to the fans. All of y'all, sit the fuck back and relax, man. Like, wherever y'all going, there's music out there for everybody. The bottom line here is when you listen to this album, it's good music. It's good rapping, it's good production. It's a cohesive project. What else do you want?

[Mal]

And not that Sean was going back and forth, per se, on the timeline, but he was active on Twitter more than he usually is, and I could see certain stuff he was liking. Like, I think he felt some of that backlash, but I don't see why he would be upset about it. Lean into the maturity shit. Like, to me, this is a whole crowded niche that you could just lean into. Like, you don't have to explain, yo, there's also slaps on here. There's also, you know, some less dad type content on here, but why not just lean into that? You're speaking like someone of your age. Yeah, but what's wrong with hip hop? Between life is good and 444, we're like, all right, we finally seeing how hip hop can age. We can see what, like, that older guy looks like when it comes to making music. Sean is a veteran. I think he's right on time for transitioning into this more mature, you know, crystals, you know. You know, Janae is. Janae changed his life.

[Rory]

She gave him four sound baths before. Before he went to sleep.

[Mal]

Yeah, a lot of Epsom salt, I think, in that house.

[Rory]

Yeah, but that's.

[Mal]

Which is good because we're old.

[Rory]

Listen, man, that's a great thing. And, you know, the bottom line is, again, it's the fans, the people that's listening. And I'm. And I'm of the belief a lot of people just jump behind what they see. Other people saying, some of you niggas didn't even hear the album.

[Mal]

No, they just want to.

[Rory]

Y'all calling it trash. And that's where the Artists have to do a job of staying away from the Internet for periods of time because you gotta understand who's on the Internet. Some people are only there to spew negative shit towards your art. Some people are only there to jump on the wave or the bandwagon of what other people are saying. But when you listen to this album, you can't tell me that if you've never heard this artist before, you can't listen to this and say, oh, he can't rape. Of course you can't listen to this and say, oh, the music is bad. But because it's Big Sean and people have placed what they expect him to be saying or what they expect him to do and all Big Sean is corny, or he's just speak to the music, speak to the album. Stop speaking to the person that you don't know and let me advocate for.

[Mal]

The devil for a second. Looking in the lens of the people that do dislike it, the one criticism that I could sort of understand, if Sean takes this much time in between albums, the expectation is a little bit higher for you to push your sound a bit. I think the production is great on here, but it's nothing I haven't heard Sean on already. So if you're going to take that much time in between albums, I could see a true fan having an honest critique of, like, okay, we waited this long to kind of get a little bit more of the same. Sonically, I think the content certainly grew, which I really enjoy. But I can see people looking at the production here and going, all right, we waited, what, four or five years? And a lot of it is similar to what we've heard Sean on already. Like, did this push the envelope as far as his discography, comparing him to his own music?

[Rory]

So to say that he gives us a project, totally different sound, you know, what then becomes a thing. I mean, of course, yo, this sounds nothing like Sean.

[Mal]

So, like, what are you trying to do right now?

[Rory]

What do people. What do y'all want from these art? Like, what do y'all want?

[Julian]

No, but I think I look, I. And I think the album's cool. I might. I think similar to Rory, it's like, you're gonna take this long to put out, you know, the same. Whatever. I don't even. I'm not even critiquing the music. I'm more to what Mall saying from the fans. Like, well, if the fan. The fan's expectation is set by the artist. Big Sean has two former number ones, so he like, for better or worse, that's the expectation people expect, you know, that caliber of music, that caliber success from an artist that's done it not just once, but, you know, a couple times over. He was at that time with the good. The Good Music album. Like, he was the man behind Jay and Kanye, I think it was safe to say, like, Sean, on those two songs he did with them, he really held his own. So, like, he put himself in that class.

[Mal]

Well, he deserves to be in that.

[Julian]

So I think that he did it. Like, I'm not saying, you know, the fans can decide whatever, but he earned it, put himself there, and he fucking succeeded. So I think when people say, like, okay, it's pacing to do, 24k first week in sales, I think there is a. Whether or not it's the fans, believe it, or the fans are starting the narrative or not, there is a conversation to be had. Okay. It's like, okay, then what is the disconnect?

[Rory]

I think, because this is the Big.

[Julian]

Sean that we know and love, but it's. Something's clearly different here, I think.

[Rory]

I think Big Sean. I think what happened here is this is probably our first time seeing Big Sean where we probably can't connect him to a crew or. Yeah, you know, I mean, like, post artists that are like, yeah, I think this is.

[Mal]

Did you not feel that way with Detroit, too? Because it was still in a similar situation at that point. It was weird with Yay. You didn't see him with Push like that. You didn't see him with comedy.

[Rory]

But I think with Detroit, it was because it was two. So we kind of knew what to expect with the Detroit series, which the expectation.

[Mal]

Because the Detroit mixtape, to me, is an absolute classic.

[Rory]

Right. So I think that that kind of, like, my favorite project, you know, covered that a little bit. The fact that we kind of already knew what to expect with Detroit, too, because of the first one. I think this one, you know, people can't really connect Sean to, you know, a crew, a label, other rappers, MCs that he's with all the time and has features with. But again, I'm just listening to the music. It's good. It's really good songs. And the joint with him, Kodak, the this and that record, Fire, A Million Pieces record with him and Larry and Larry, June and Teanna, the Break the Cycle record with Charlie Woods. Like, it's dope music on here. So when people say, oh, I'm like, what are y'all? What do y'all want?

[Mal]

From Big Sean on up is Fire and there is some bops on it. Not to say that they may be the elite Sean uptempo stuff that we know. Cause that is something Sean has mastered in the last 15 years. But I think the Cash Cobain record is fire. Okay. The joint with Gunna is fired. Like, there's other shit on there besides, hey, I'm a dad and I'm spiritual and I'm just trying to figure out what's going on in my 30s.

[Julian]

Okay, but let's remove. Let's stop talking about the album and the songs that we like. We all agree it's a good album. What is the disconnect between Sean and now? Like, where. Let's remove the music from it. What is it about him?

[Rory]

I think once you're a rapper and you cry on social media, it's hard to come back from that.

[Mal]

Did he cry on social media?

[Rory]

Yeah, he got up. Like he was streaming, listening to the. I think the album, and he got up and like. Well, I think I was like, oh, you can't.

[Mal]

That's not the disconnect.

[Julian]

No, but that's that Kanye's cried on shows all the time.

[Rory]

Yeah, but Kanye's a different. Kanye can do what he.

[Julian]

Well, he clearly can get away with a lot.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

He can say anti semitic things.

[Rory]

He could do whatever. Matter of fact, if Kanye don't cry, it's a problem.

[Mal]

So you're saying Sean should have went on that stream and said, I think Hitler's a good guy.

[Rory]

I know. I think that's. That's crazy. But I think. I think Sean. I think he's just maybe a little. Maybe too emotional right now.

[Mal]

But I feel like Sean, even though this has been deemed the mature, mature album, Sean has always talked about a lot of the subject matter that's on this project his whole career.

[Rory]

No, no, no.

[Mal]

He's been a very emotional dude. And even before Detroit, too, he was vocal on that press run of some of the mental health stuff he was dealing with. I think the disconnect really did come from one. The good music breakup and then Sean disappearing so much. Because even between Sean's album cycles.

[Rory]

You mean becoming a better person, Becoming.

[Mal]

A dad, Taking care of.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah. Taking care of himself. That's what he did.

[Mal]

Yeah, but like, we don't care about that. We want music from you.

[Julian]

It is. It is fun for, like those moments and disappearing and finding. Taking the time to really work yourself and heal yourself can in turn hurt your career. Yeah, that's the truth of the reality.

[Rory]

Saying.

[Julian]

But that's. I mean, we. We say it all the time. We love so and so. When they get a breakup, they're about to drop the hottest album of all time. Like, artists make their best when they're going through the worst situations in their life.

[Mal]

And Sean went from being very public with his relationships. He was dating two huge people, one pop star piece. He was always visual. Even in between album cycles, he would still do features. Sean was in the mix whether he liked it or not. When he wasn't putting an album out, there was no disconnect of where Sean was and what was going on.

[Rory]

Features and shit like that.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

And also, let's be truth, we're here. Being in a high profile relationship in this era is very helpful when it comes to visibility. And I won't say direct album sales, but just having your face and people caring about you every day outside of your music is helpful. It's just the world we live in. Sean not having any of that. Even though Janae is a superstar, they disappear. We don't see them together. They keep their relationship sacred, which I think is amazing for him and his, you know, mental health. But you see the difference when it comes to sales. People talking about the project like it doesn't connect the same way. But that's just the world we live in now, which is crazy.

[Damaris]

I feel like every. But everybody is selling less. So, like, when I look at his numbers, I get. It's disappointing, but it's like, I don't expect Sean to do the numbers he was doing 15 years ago. Nobody, 10 years ago. Nobody does. There's like aliens that do that. You have Jay, you have. Who isn't doing the numbers he used to do. He's doing amazing numbers, but he's not doing the numbers he used to do. Drake isn't doing the numbers he used to do. Like, everybody is slowly but surely declining when it comes to numbers because of the way that they're even counting album sales. So it's just kind of like, what do y'all expect from him?

[Mal]

Well, there's, there's, there's was his last album that probably sold the most, right?

[Julian]

Yeah. But there's rules changes, which, you know, album equivalents. We said, like the bundles, obviously, that saw numbers in half. There's. There's. That the hard number. But then there's also impact, like cultural impact.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that's.

[Julian]

I'm speaking more to that, like the cultural impact, whereas few. Seems like Sean doesn't have that anymore.

[Damaris]

Because he's not making songs for kids. Kids. I've like, we've had this argument before, but I think that kids, and when I say kids, I think I, I mean people under the age of 30, 25, they control the music scene unless you're like a huge legacy act. So if you're not making music for kids, you're not gonna. They're not playing it like you see what I'm saying? So it's just. I don't, I don't know. I, I don't think that Sean is surprised by what he sold being the content of his album. I'm not surprised by what he sold.

[Mal]

Neither am I. And I mean, I know he's been in interview saying he doesn't care about first week sales, which he's probably telling the truth. But it's definitely a conversation post album release with your management, with your label.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

How are we pivoting? What, what does the rest of my career look like now? Who, who's the audience I'm trying to target?

[Julian]

I think, and that's more what I'm speaking to is I think they haven't identified what is the demo and how should they market towards that demo? Because right now I think Sean is still being marketed as to the younger crowd because it's, it's rap, but that's not his demo.

[Damaris]

Who else would you guys consider would have the same demo as Sean? Like what other artists would y'all would.

[Julian]

You say Larry June, in terms of age? Not so much like, you know, lifestyle, I think.

[Mal]

I mean Larry has done a great job with the youth. Like he.

[Damaris]

Yeah, he.

[Mal]

His fan base is super young, which I think is amazing, especially with the type of music he makes. You figure the young kids wouldn't like that type of. We would like that type of. So he's done a great job connecting with the kids and you know, kids now are more positive than we were, so they connect with Larry Jones. He's a very positive human being. Like they like him as a person too. Outside of the music. Sean I would say is kind of where super, but I'm the demo and my generation is not very positive.

[Rory]

I think Sean still has a younger demo though than you.

[Mal]

He's definitely 30s, I think. I don't know if they're. The 20s would be his highest at all. I would probably say 30 to 35 would probably be his main.

[Rory]

Yeah, I just think that is. Again, man, I'm. I'm just listening to music. I don't get caught up in all the other shit around it. The music that I'm listening to projects. What I heard from Big Sean Was really good dope songs on there. Good music, still gives great bars, cadences, flows. I mean, again, sometimes things don't connect. That's part of the music business. That's part of any business. When you, when you're selling a product, sometimes things don't connect. But I think for me personally, I think I would attach it to from what I can see him not having that crew or that, you know, that team of other artists and, and, and rappers behind him. That's kind of, you know, I think to me that's the only thing that I can pinpoint and say maybe it's that maybe he's too much of a loner now. Maybe he's too, you know, kept to.

[Mal]

Himself, which is cool. It's just where I think it's fucked up from the fans is when they try to discredit his entire legacy. And like who. Sean has been insane. People have very short term memory. But I think Sean is in a better position than artists that are outselling him. He's on pace for what, 24k is what they said. It's not official, but yeah, that's a prediction. There's artists that sell 60 to 80k that can't sell a fucking concert ticket, right? Sean can do 24k and is going to have a sold out tour because of the fan base that he has built and the core fan base that will always support him even if it only reflects 24k sales with streams. You'll see a big difference with his concert versus someone that'll sell 80k, right? And can't get anyone to be like, yeah, I think I want to buy a ticket and a T shirt to go see them. No, because they're just part of the new algorithm, the new playlist. I like this song, I like this artist. But they'll be replaced with someone else on that playlist tomorrow, right? SEAN, even at 24k still to me will be just fine with what he's done his entire career.

[Julian]

And Rory and I have spoken to this quite a bit. We, I feel like we always end up talking about Sean in these conversations. But he's sitting within his own home. There's a gold mine between him and Jana that 2088, I mean, can't wait for that. Who's to say, you know, that that's the recipe for success is the two of them and however they want to work that out, if they want to keep, you know, their relationship a relationship and not make it a business relationship, then, you know, but we, we do know that. And Roy and I both agree that that would be probably the best thing for him to do in terms of just like, injecting himself back into the scene.

[Mal]

Yeah. But again, it's also tough, too, of both of them being solo artists. I'm sure Janae has a plan for what she wants to do.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

And tying those two things in together can sometimes take five years because I have to do my solo album cycle. Janae has to do her solo album cycle. Then maybe we'll have time for this. Like, I mean, that's a five year process. Just because you both are solo artists.

[Rory]

That'S not a bad idea. It's a very, you know, unique thing that they have, obviously. And then the album that they did give us was some classic music on there, so that's not a bad idea. Put out solo projects, go on the road together.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And, you know, perform some of the. The classic. I got together.

[Mal]

Bring the kids on stage.

[Rory]

Bring the kids. Jana, give us all the sound bath. We need it. Why not?

[Mal]

She. She has put out quietly, like, some really cool, like, baby music. What's the name of it?

[Damaris]

Like the genre album? I'll look it up. But have you played it for yet?

[Mal]

All the time. I just don't know what the actual genre is labeled.

[Rory]

How's the marvel? She has some slaps on there.

[Mal]

Yeah, you know, she. She prefers, like the old Janae, but.

[Rory]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Damaris]

Sleep soul, she calls it.

[Mal]

Sleep soul.

[Damaris]

Relaxing baby sleep music. Like lullabies.

[Julian]

Great. Lane. I mean, she could be like, without being the. This. Is that just the. The music, Ms. Rachel?

[Mal]

Yeah, I mean, her. Her stuff is just more on the calming, relaxing side rather than like straight up singing to your kids and brainwashing them. It's definitely more of like a good nap time, white noise type of situation. But it works with Amara. She likes it.

[Julian]

Or YouTube or a separate account.

[Damaris]

So that's hers.

[Julian]

That's smart. Good for her.

[Mal]

But I just hope Sean, I mean, he's an artist, so artists do take everything personal, really, no matter which artist you're dealing with. I hope he's not taking to account the Internet, just doing the Internet shit. Like, the Internet forgets everyone's legacy and who they are.

[Rory]

That's why.

[Mal]

So it's not a personal thing. You can't pay attention to that.

[Rory]

Fuck the Internet, man. You put out a dope project, there's good music on there. You seem to be in a great space, mentally, emotionally. Your family is great. Your wife just went on a great tour. Sold out arena.

[Mal]

Like, listen, made damaris cry.

[Rory]

Life is great, man. Life is great.

[Julian]

Don't get caught at every show and.

[Rory]

These Internets and these streamers talking shit, man. Sean, keep doing what you doing, man.

[Mal]

A selfish fan request. I would love for Sean and KE Wayne to do like, an ep.

[Julian]

Oh, yes.

[Mal]

Like their chemistry, that era.

[Rory]

Just like hearing their names today said, oh, yes.

[Julian]

Hearing their names again.

[Rory]

I only say that when she licked the taint my.

[Mal]

Like, he went crazy.

[Rory]

You heard yo, Julia went crazy just now. Oh, yeah.

[Mal]

He got squirmy like, oh, like, what was that?

[Julian]

They. They don't miss together. Pause. They're great.

[Mal]

They really don't. Like, I feel like for the past five Sean albums, it always ends up being the key Wayne record that I like the most. My personal taste.

[Julian]

Yeah, they're great.

[Mal]

But, yeah, I mean, we can wrap the Sean topic up. But to go back to where it did connect with Sean 2015, Kanye was still beloved. Good music was sort of together. He was coming out of that relationship. His single I don't fuck with you had a messy tone to it because everyone was paying attention to the relationship he was just in. Like, there was a lot surrounding Sean that wasn't just music. And we know Sean will deliver with music, but you can't always deliver with messy bullshit that people are gonna click. And his single was that, yeah, I don't fuck with you. Simple, amazing record has a background to it. It's about another celebrity. Rest in peace. And yeah, that. That connects, like, no matter what. Even if you weren't a rap fan, you were like, oh, I. I want to hear this. The Sean diss to his ex. Like, that was in. In people. Yeah, that's beyond the shade room. Yeah. The world type of shit.

[Rory]

The world wants that negative energy.

[Mal]

And then you have blessings. Peak Drake, all your fault with Kanye. Like, there was so much connecting with Sean at that time. All he had to do is what he does best.

[Julian]

Play no games. Oh, come on.

[Rory]

Right?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Play no games was, I know you.

[Mal]

Couldn'T go outside without hearing come on.

[Julian]

Even. Even though the. The one man can change the world, I'll even let that one get slide at that point.

[Rory]

Yeah, you need that message. You need something.

[Julian]

You know, I don't. How do you go from I don't with you to John Legend? Oh, one man can change. It's like, all right. Like, thanks.

[Rory]

That something.

[Damaris]

Why'd you sound like Elvis?

[Mal]

That song. What's that Jay Z midlife crisis song? Forever Young.

[Damaris]

Oh, stop. We love forever Young.

[Mal]

That's where I had one man can change the world. And it wasn't even Sean. I liked his verses. It's just sometimes when John Legend gets too much in that bag, they let.

[Julian]

Him run on that.

[Mal]

I can't. Like, this is a little too cheesy for me. Yeah, but I feel the same way about HOV and Forever Young. Like, get this midlife crisis. End of the concert song. The. Off my ipod.

[Damaris]

But it hits at the end of the. Didn't you go to the concert? Yeah, it hit, didn't it?

[Mal]

I went. I tried to be Traffic.

[Julian]

That was a graduation song, too. They beat that to ground at graduations, like every.

[Rory]

Forever Young.

[Julian]

Yes.

[Rory]

Really?

[Julian]

Yes.

[Rory]

I've never seen that.

[Julian]

That and that as we.

[Mal]

Well, yeah.

[Rory]

I don't know what song that is.

[Mal]

We remember that's the graduation song.

[Rory]

That's a graduation.

[Julian]

These two were the graduation. Graduation records. Those two.

[Mal]

But I had not graduated, like, during this era.

[Julian]

So you didn't graduate.

[Mal]

I know. That's what I'm like. I wouldn't have gotten to this point. I was still on the other song from high school.

[Rory]

Rory would hit the stage. They would have played get the out of here.

[Julian]

Wrap it up.

[Mal]

I don't with you for sure, but yeah, I still. I mean, I know it's only been a few days, but I still have Sean's album in rotation every day since it's came out. Same with doi. I thought it was a great music Friday.

[Rory]

Else came out, too.

[Mal]

I was about to say, was there any other projects? I was kind of wrapped up with those two last Friday.

[Rory]

Cash Cobain. Yes, The Bronx legend Play Cash Cobain. Love that. Love that album title. He dropped his. His first album, 19 tracks, some. Some dope features on there.

[Mal]

Does the Bronx get to claim him completely? He wears a lot of Queens merch to the point that he had to go on Twitter and say, I'm not from Queens, I'm from the Bronx.

[Rory]

What Queens merch that he wear all.

[Mal]

The slow buck stuff.

[Rory]

So does that mean he's from Queens?

[Mal]

I mean, his three hat is pretty much a slow bucks hat that says Queens. He wears it all the time.

[Rory]

He's from the Bronx. Legend out there. Bronx legend.

[Mal]

Anyone that does anything in the Bronx is a legend.

[Rory]

Well, yeah, naturally. I just love what Cash is doing on a run with the whole sexy drill sound. Sexy drill wave. You know, it's. It's. It's injecting some positive energy into the whole drill scene. And it's. It's. It's making it fun. It's making you Know, guys are dancing with girls. Guys want to. You know, it's giving that whole vibe. It's like this is their R B moment in the drill party.

[Mal]

Yeah, completely.

[Rory]

And I. I love what Cash is doing. I think it's entirely necessary. Carving his own lane. And this album, play. Cash Cobain is a dope. Listen. I love the fact that he came out and said, you know, I don't make music for guys. Like, get. Listen, let's get that straight. Like, I don't make music for y'all. This is for the ladies. Love that. And I think this. This album is dope. I think that his team should be very proud of what they did, what they put out. And I'm looking forward to Cash going on. Going on tour.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Seeing what he can do in. In some. In some theaters and some rooms and stuff like that, because all of his. His music is a vibe. It's something you can dance to. So I want to see him on stage in front of his. In his audience in different cities and just see what that looked like. But I'm happy and I'm proud of what he did. This was a dope listen and shout out to. Yeah, Ali. Yeah. Lee has a production credit.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

On one of the songs on the album. So. Yeah, real, real dope. Listen, dope project. Good energy, you know, if you want in that mood to just, you know, vibe a little bit. This is the perfect, perfect, perfect album to put on that.

[Mal]

That would be a concert that I wouldn't mind being like the old guy at the party.

[Julian]

Fly on the wall, yeah.

[Rory]

Put me. But put me like, I don't want to be. Don't give me a seat. Like, put me, like, somewhere where I can kind of just observe, see everything. The stage and the audience and just see what they doing.

[Mal]

Cause you know they're gonna be in there, yo.

[Rory]

Absolutely. I just love what he doing, man. He just. His whole. His whole, you know, DNA that he's injected into the drill scene is taking over. It's the sound of the city right now. And, you know, anytime you see dudes that had an issue with each other, a real issue with each other talking on social media and saying, like, listen, man, let's come together. Let's have a show. Let's. You know, I mean, we ain't got. We could fight. And then after we finish fighting, let's perform. Like, I thought that that was fire, you know, respect. So anytime you have an artist that's able to inject that type of energy and that type of, You Know, feeling into what we know. The drill scene is. It can be very, you know, negative, very violent, very tragic. And I think what Cash was able to do is, you know, bring some fun back into that. Let's dance at the parties. Let's talk to the girls at the parties. Instead of putting shies on, mean mugging each other all night and shooting the party up. Let's dance. Let's have fun. So I love what Cash was like.

[Mal]

Talk to women.

[Rory]

Yeah. Like, remember that? Remember we used to just talk?

[Mal]

That was the whole thing. Yeah. At one point. Yeah.

[Rory]

Let's just talk to the girls in here again.

[Mal]

Like, what would Damaris, like, legendary status be if she went from twerking at the Ice Spice show to getting on stage at the Cash Cobain show?

[Damaris]

Cash Cobain opened for Ice Spice, so technically, I did both.

[Mal]

Legend in two games.

[Julian]

When. When Cash's album dropped, we did. The four of us were in here just listening to it, and he's like, the lyric. He's funny.

[Rory]

Yeah, I think that's we having fun.

[Julian]

I don't know. When I listen to it, I'm more of, like, the. The beat, the vibe, the mood. But on that list, and we were all in here, I was really paying attention to lyrics. He's so funny. I hope he does something in. In comedy or. I mean, if he has time to do, like, a mic or just like, a sketch thing. His just. His writing is so funny, and he makes it sound cool.

[Rory]

Yeah, he's just. He's in his. He's in a moment of just having fun, man. And I think that that's. That's dope to see the young cats having fun again. So, yeah, play Cash Cobain. Available now. If you haven't heard it, give it a listen. I think you'll enjoy it. It's a dope project.

[Mal]

Yo, speaking of Ice Spice Tamaris, I know the group chat was going crazy with y'all.

[Damaris]

Yo, the group.

[Mal]

Can you get us up, up to speed on what's happening with what's her name, Cleopatra?

[Damaris]

I. Trapper.

[Mal]

I'm sorry, Cleatrappa.

[Julian]

Duh it.

[Mal]

There seemed to be some messy women group chat happening to the public for the entire weekend.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Well, if you haven't heard about the Cleo Trapper and Ice Spice debacle. Cleo Trapper and Ice Spice were funny. They were, let's say, associates. I don't want to call them friends, but they were cool associates. They had been in music videos together, things like that. If you don't know who Cleo Trapper is. She is the girl from New York who was always going viral for, like, telling people they're pronouncing something wrong or they're spelling something wrong. Like, she used to have, like, the whiteboard and write stuff up on it. She's a darker skinned girl and she's also a music artist. So Ice Spice and her have had previous issues where Ice Spice's best friend, Baby Stormy came out and kind of posted some screenshots to the timeline and was like, basically where Ice Spice was talking about Cleo Trappa saying that she was jealous Cleo Trappa accepted her back as a friend. Ice Spice invited Cleo Trappa on to tour with her. The day before Ice Spice's tour starts, Cleo Trappa asked her, hey, what do I have to pay for on this tour? And Ice says, nothing. You're good. You're my friend. Everything's on me.

[Julian]

That's nice.

[Mal]

That's very nice.

[Julian]

All right, we're off to a good start.

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mal]

So Cleo Trapa chicken salad came in the mix.

[Damaris]

Cleo Trapic, Cleo, traffic.

[Mal]

Everything was fine. So that salad.

[Rory]

Oh, there's nothing like breaking a French when it's time to eat, right, Rory?

[Mal]

But, you know, they're young, so they don't. They don't see those signs yet. They'll learn with age that anytime a chicken salad gets between friends, a fallout's gonna happen.

[Rory]

Exactly.

[Mal]

You know, go ahead. I'm sorry.

[Damaris]

Basically, to make this a very long.

[Rory]

Story, they're really beefing over a chicken salad. I'm just.

[Mal]

Go ahead.

[Julian]

I'm gonna say mall. I have no idea what they're talking about.

[Damaris]

There was someone on the podcast explaining it.

[Rory]

I'm asking, is it really a chicken salad?

[Mal]

She's gonna get to it.

[Damaris]

No, they're not beefing over a chicken salad.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Julian]

That's all my question is, though, Chicken salad's pretty nice.

[Damaris]

Basically, Cleo Trappa was under the impression that everything was covered for her on the tour when she got on the tour. The number one thing that happened, I think, during the first show is Ice Spice's security didn't carry Cleo Trappa's bags back to the car after the show. Cleo Trappa had to carry her own bags. She had a conversation with Ice Spice in their shared hotel room after this, where she was basically like, hey, I don't like that security, like, just left my bag. He took all 20 of yours and didn't take my one and a half bag that you had. Um, and Ice Was basically like, my security works for me. They pay a flat. Flat fee and they don't work for you. And.

[Julian]

All right, so far, Ice Spice is right.

[Mal]

Yeah, so far. Pretty logical there.

[Julian]

Yep. So she's right. When does the salad come into play?

[Damaris]

Um, basically one of the things was with the salad thing was just that everybody on the team had to order food. Cleo had put in her order, and then after everybody got their stuff back, they were basically like. It's like, oh, yours is not covered, like, by tour.

[Julian]

They venmoed her for a chicken salad?

[Damaris]

No, they didn't even, like, ask. They just didn't get it. Oh, so the number one thing.

[Rory]

So wait, is she not to cut you off? She's talent on the show. Like, she.

[Mal]

She's the opener.

[Rory]

She's the opener because Cleo Trapper makes. She has music too. Right. She's not just a personality and she raps. Yeah, yeah.

[Julian]

She didn't bring her whiteboard on stage, so.

[Rory]

Okay, so, I mean, I understand. I think what is missing is how deep does their personal relationship run. Cleo Trapper and Ice Spice, from what.

[Damaris]

I hear that they're. They. Cleo said that they were never friends where, like, they were chilling in the house, like, with no makeup. It was always just kind of like out. You know, we all have those friends. It's like, yo, I'm doing this event, come through. Or I'm doing this event, come through.

[Rory]

Okay, so they were social. They were.

[Damaris]

Yeah, they were social. It was a work relationship, but obviously close enough. Enough where it was, hey, you're coming on tour with me. You're going to be staying with me, basically. So that's close enough.

[Rory]

That's what Ice Spice told her.

[Damaris]

Yes, basically, like, I'm covering everything now. Cleo outed. I mean, if you're in the scene, you do know this, but Ice Spice and Riot are dating. Cleo outed that.

[Julian]

What?

[Damaris]

Yeah, she. A lot of the fans didn't know.

[Mal]

So still playing with them.

[Julian]

Don't play with them. Right.

[Damaris]

And by them, it means never.

[Julian]

Just her.

[Damaris]

Anyway, at one point, Riot came on the tour.

[Julian]

Was Riot salad covered?

[Rory]

Oh, his salad was covered.

[Julian]

All right, cool.

[Mal]

He has 50% pub double chicken. Yeah, he might have got extra shrimp in it.

[Rory]

He go two more.

[Julian]

He ate Cleo Trappa salad.

[Mal]

That salad was almost too good.

[Julian]

Wait, so on tour. I'm sorry, because I really. Thank you. You're being great. So on tour, Cleo Trappa and Ice Spice are sharing a room. Why wouldn't Riot and Ice Spice Share.

[Damaris]

Room Riot wasn't on there at first.

[Julian]

Damn.

[Damaris]

When his tour bus caught up to them, then he started caught up.

[Julian]

Why was he in a different city?

[Rory]

But I don't know.

[Mal]

I mean, it happened. He's a mogul. He's producing for other people.

[Damaris]

At the end of the day, he ended up staying in Ice Spice's room on the tour bus and her room in the hotels. Apparently, Ice Spice's manager was supposed to contact Cleo's manager to let her know she had to get her own separate room, even though she had previously been told that everything would be covered. Nothing has been covered so far. Literally nothing is covered other than her traveling on the tour bus with them. So Cleo, basically, eventually, at the end of the tour, wrote Ice Spice and said, hey, you told me this when I came on tour. This is not what happened. I felt unincluded. Y'all were eating without me. Y'all were treating me weird. I didn't feel like I was good every single time. Like, you know, I was to, like, come in your. Come in your dressing room. I was kind of, like, being told, oh, I doesn't want to be bothered right now. Like, she's just like, I did. I felt like a groupie. I didn't really feel like somebody who was a part of this tour.

[Rory]

Okay, so what it sounds like is Cleo Trapper found out that they're not actually friends, that Ice was more so. Treating it like she's talent on the tour. I'm gonna add her to the tour. Cause she said on the space that she. They ended up adding another tour bus, so it was more bunks and was like, yeah. She was like, yo, like, let Cleo Trapper come on. Let her get her shit off on the road. Like, you know, build her fan base. People could see her perform. And I think what Cleo Trapper may have thought was it was gonna be more of her and Ice together all the time, hanging out.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You know, that type of thing. And when she got on the road, she noticed that, oh, they're treating Ice Spice, like. And she's Ice Spice, that entity. And I'm just support for Ice Spice's tour. And I don't really see Ice. We don't talk like that before the shows. Like, it's kind of, like, moving. Like, I'll see her passing through her tour bus. Leaves first. The tour bus I'm on, leaves after.

[Damaris]

No, they were on this. They were on the same tour bus. I think the issue had a different one.

[Mal]

But she was sleeping In Ice Spice, like, room. She had her own bunk on a different bus.

[Damaris]

Yes, she was. No, she had her own bunk on the. So she was originally sleeping on Ice in Ice Spice's room from the very beginning. But it's looking like Ice Spices are getting killed right now by the fans. Because what it's looking like is that the fans obviously don't know or nobody knows how tour usually goes. Like, if you're opening act, you're spending the majority. You're spending money usually to be an opening act on the court. Especially if you're the opening opening act because Cash was opening. You know what I'm saying? But I think we, like, we all. It's obvious that her manager should have gotten him with her manager and she. First of all, she should have been on that tour. Me, personally, I wouldn't have went on tour with somebody who was talking about me behind my back and saying that I was jealous of them. Like, I don't forgive things like that. Especially when they're telling me that monetarily, they're going to cover for me. I get that it's an amazing opportunity.

[Rory]

Wait, this happened before Ice Spice was caught talking about.

[Damaris]

Yes, before any of this even happened, before they went on tour. This was like, a couple months ago.

[Rory]

Oh, so. Oh, so. Okay, that's more insight to this.

[Damaris]

So what Cleo is. What Cleo said is that she feels like Ice was doing damage control because she got caught talking shit about Nicki Minaj in those same text messages. Yeah, she got caught talking shit about Cleo. And it's kind of like they were saying that she was doing damage control.

[Rory]

She was trying to show that she's supporting other acts and other artists.

[Damaris]

But she never. Cleo was like. She never posted that I was on a tour. She never posted a flyer with my face on it.

[Mal]

But that's not. That's not her responsibility.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

And even though it's not.

[Rory]

They're not friends, it's not her responsibility. But if you invited me on a tour and we're sleeping in the same room in the same bed, maybe, Right. I'm. We can. That's safe to assume that we have a friendship. If we're sleeping in the same bed, we're like, we're close.

[Mal]

Yeah. But you know something?

[Rory]

You don't just sleep in a bed with random women and girls that you just.

[Mal]

Homies do that.

[Julian]

Girls do that shit.

[Mal]

They become best friends with a chick they met last night.

[Rory]

And that's true. And I think that this is. I think that maybe on one end, Cleo Trapper felt like, okay, this is my homie. And I think on ice spices, and it may have been. It's the old thing of you move genuine with some people. They move strategic with you.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And it's that type of relationship.

[Mal]

Two things, I think if I Spice said to her, all expenses paid. Like, you won't make any money, but we'll cover food, hotel, like, you won't need for anything on the tour. I think she should obviously honor that. But after we have that conversation, we're one friends, two artists. Our managers can figure this out if something ends up being incorrect.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

If I don't get my food, I know that's your friend, quote unquote, but she's also in the middle of a fucking tour. I don't care if we're best friends on tour sucks sometimes. You could have someone you love and want to be around all the time. Tour can drive you to just want to be alone.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

After you. The amount of energy, especially Ice Spice because she sells way more tickets than we do. I can only imagine the amount of energy she consumes from other people after a show where you just need to decompress.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

With the amount of shit you just sucked in. Pause.

[Rory]

Yeah. I mean, yeah.

[Mal]

I don't care if you're my best friend. I need some fucking time alone.

[Damaris]

No, I can move.

[Mal]

I need to get ready. No, don't come in my green room. I'm preparing for a show. I'm trying to figure out what I fucked up yesterday to make this show better. No, this isn't like a Kiki friend.

[Damaris]

Time in the green room, but Steven. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. So let's clarify, because her issue wasn't that I don't get to kiki Ki with Ice Spice. Her issue is I am an artist on this tour, and I have nowhere to put my bags. I have nowhere to get ready. And you made it seem like I could share a dressing room with you. You're but 150 pounds. I'm but 160 pounds. Like, we don't take up that much space. You made it seem like I was good with you, and now I am now on tour uncomfortable getting ready in random bathrooms.

[Rory]

You know, I can understand that. Yeah, I get that. I understand. I understand. Clear trap aside. But I do think that this is just a case of finding out your relationship with somebody is not what you thought it was. You know, I think the Ice Spice meant good in having her on the tour. Like, yo, give Her a look, let her come out on the tour, like it. And it, it, it helps Ice Spice's show because Cleo Trapper brings a certain type of energy. If she opens up for her, the crowd is kind of like, already into that, that, that mood of, you know, partying and having a good time. I just think that it, you know, especially with women, things can become very catty, very, you know, spiteful, very. And then you're saying that they already had something a few months ago where Ice Spice was caught talking kind of sideways about her behind her back. So that already was there. Like, that type of energy was already existing. And I think now that we're on the road together and we're moving city to city, and it's kind of like, you know, we're right here. It's like, yeah, we. You cool. But, like, I don't. You don't need to be up under me, like. And I think that's what Cleo Trapper started to feel. And Ice was probably moving, like, you know, I'd be with Taylor Swift. I be, you know, like, she's convenient. She probably felt like, you know, like, I'm a superstar. Like, and you're just. And Clare Trapper probably felt that, like, okay, this is Ice Spice. She's the star. I'm just here to kind of like, you know, warm the crowd up and get them going for her.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Which. And, I mean, I don't know, I listened to it. So when Cleo Trapper was posting it, I was listening to that shit in real time, 4 o'clock in the morning. And the vibe that I got from her was just that her issue was you didn't make sure, like, everybody else, even I know, you can't make sure I'm good. Because you're a star.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Your people didn't know to make sure that I'm good. That's a simple email.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

I've gone places with Rory or my other friends where it's like, hey, I'm in the middle of working right now. But whatever she wants, she gets and will figure it out later. If I. If you're on tour, if Rory and Mall are on tour and Benner comes up to me and tells me, tells me my fucking chicken salad isn't covered. Y'all are gonna come out of pocket for it. And we'll deal with the shit later. You'll deal with the reimbursements later. Like, that's. It's a fucking chicken salad. Like, that's little shit. Or like, certain things, it's not the chicken salad.

[Rory]

That was the. That was just like Cleo Trapp was like, no, but Cleo said something simple as a chicken salad.

[Damaris]

Said they were in the middle of like, I don't know, like somewhere like New Mexico somewhere. They were in like west. Huh? Like somewhere in Texas. Like they were staying at a Best Western. Like they were in the middle of nowhere and they every spice was staying.

[Rory]

At a Best Western.

[Julian]

Plano, Texas.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Oh, oh, you said Texas.

[Damaris]

I didn't know Texas. Middle of nowhere.

[Rory]

Okay. And that might be the only thing out there. Yeah.

[Damaris]

She was like, I guess like everybody knew there was no food around. Like the closest food place was like McDonald's. And it was like a 10 minute like walk down the road. Like they were in the middle of the desert.

[Mal]

How accommodating we are with our tour in Texas.

[Julian]

That was so annoying.

[Mal]

We drove around for two hours trying to find awesome food.

[Julian]

We bought more. Three different fries. That was the. We stopped.

[Mal]

Ever brings up a chicken salad in my presence. I'm bringing up the Dallas, the Houston trip.

[Rory]

Bring up the fact, bring up the fact that we didn't know we was driving to until the day of the show.

[Mal]

Yeah, that was wild.

[Julian]

That was wild.

[Rory]

Yeah. So y'all putting it on me like I was wild island. Our whole game plan was up. We didn't even know we were driving to the other part of Texas. Like that was a last minute thing.

[Julian]

That was that we. When we hit McDonald's, we hit Wendy's. We had some other local. Roy and I were getting like food and mall's just getting different kinds of fries.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

None of them had vegan nuggets or anything.

[Rory]

My fry review is on Patreon.

[Mal]

Welcome to my channel. Everyone asked me, I know my favorite fries in Texas.

[Rory]

Don't trip. I got you.

[Mal]

And then on top of that of how accommodating we were, we had found out the night before too that our Houston show was at noon.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I don't know why our dumb asses would think our shows were at night like they have been for the entire tour. But we left the Dallas venue at 11pm like, oh wait, our show's in 10 hours. Houston show is at noon.

[Rory]

Yeah, go get, go back to the hotel. Get your. Get your shit and get back downstairs and get.

[Mal]

So by the third fast food restaurant to get fries in my head, I'm like, mo, we have to be to the venue in like three hours.

[Julian]

We'll just get food there.

[Rory]

Yeah, it was, it was. That was a. Interesting. Let's say it was a. It was a life learning experience. But Ice Spice and Clear. Clear Trapper, what happened in Texas?

[Damaris]

Basically, they were in Texas and she woke up and was, like, talking to, like, she went downstairs and was talking to everybody and was like. Her and the stylist were like, yo, like, we're hungry. We're starving. Like, does anybody go to. Want to. Want to go to McDonald's with us? Like, what's going on? And come to find out, like, nobody said anything, but they had already went to, like, the. A steakhouse that, like, the whole team had drove to. A steakhouse.

[Rory]

Oh, no. That's up.

[Julian]

That's up.

[Rory]

Now. Once you give the whole story.

[Damaris]

Shook the room.

[Rory]

Once you give the whole story in the scenario, that's up because we talking about just feet.

[Damaris]

The stylist brought her food back, and that's how she found out.

[Rory]

She brought her food back from the restaurant.

[Mal]

It's a dude.

[Damaris]

The stylist bought him. I mean, feel a trap of some food back. And that's how she was like.

[Rory]

And she had texted Ice Spice that.

[Damaris]

She was hungry also.

[Rory]

So he brought food for. For Clear Trapper.

[Damaris]

Are you talking about the guy with the orange hair? That's. That was claimed to be false. He's. He's not real. He's like, he's. Yeah, but no, basically, they eventually found out he don't even exist. No, he's not.

[Mal]

He's AI.

[Rory]

He was just conspiracy theory.

[Damaris]

When there's. When there's big, like, stories going on on TikTok or Twitter or whatever, some people who are losers will, like, insert themselves and say, oh, yeah, I got the real story. I'm this person. It's like, no, you're not.

[Rory]

Oh, okay.

[Damaris]

They're doing it.

[Julian]

I brought her the food.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, I have the receipt.

[Damaris]

Basically, she. That they had went to a steakhouse without her.

[Rory]

So nobody brought her food back.

[Damaris]

I don't know. Nobody bought her food back.

[Rory]

That's up. That's up because we talking about something as simple as just feeding people. That's like.

[Julian]

That's basic human.

[Rory]

That's basic. Like, you know, it's shelter. Food and shelter is, like, basic on tour.

[Mal]

Okay, but that's where if, like, communication breaks, say, I'm like, the PM of this entire tour. I know. I'm responsible for everyone on my call sheets. This girl's not on my call sheet. She's not my responsibility. Someone should have told me that she's part of this crew.

[Rory]

Yeah, but.

[Mal]

But because you can't get mad At a whole production team or don't ever go and go get food.

[Rory]

No, but don't do that. Don't play semantics.

[Mal]

That's not semantics.

[Rory]

We're in the middle.

[Mal]

That's Ice Spice's fault, But not the team's fault.

[Rory]

If we're in the middle of a somewhere in Texas and we know that nobody has ate because none of us has stopped anywhere to eat, and you're in Ice Spice's room.

[Mal]

That's. I mean, that's crazy.

[Rory]

Y'all are like, yo, we about to go get something to eat. You think because somebody's name is not on my sheet that I'm gonna be like, yo, I think, all right, well, they gotta eat whatever they can. No, I'm gonna be like, yo, where's. Before we pull off, I'm like, yo, they not. They not hungry.

[Mal]

Ice Spice, as a friend and someone that invited her should have been the one to text her and be like, yo, we're grabbing food. But that's the team. Nah, I'm here for a gig, and this is who I'm responsible for. This is what my role is. But I got to go feed my team that I'm. You just added this girl the day before. I don't know her.

[Rory]

Yeah, but. But, but let's not act.

[Damaris]

But they were. No, but that was, like, 12 shows in at that point. Yeah, y'all like, the team is the team at this point.

[Rory]

We know each other. We move in city to city. Everybody know each other by first name. Like, we not going to play the semantics game because somebody's name is not on the list. Doesn't mean, like, yo, when we going to eat? And we're in the middle of Texas, and we know everybody's hungry. We not leaving somebody at the hotel and they're not eating. Like, that's crazy.

[Mal]

And I'm saying again, say you are like, the PM of this shit, and you have your production team group chat that y'all have been in a group chat well before these 12 shows. Y'all have been preparing for this for a month prior. You've done rehearsals. I know my team. Ice Spice decides to add her homegirl the day before and doesn't brief me and doesn't really tell me what to do.

[Rory]

I keep saying the day before. And it was because it was.

[Damaris]

But this was 12 shows in, and.

[Mal]

No one said anything that this girl's part of the fucking tour. Like, you can't get mad at the team.

[Rory]

Somebody's on stage for 12 shows. Where are you a Production, man. You don't know that this person is a part of the fucking.

[Mal]

What should I.

[Rory]

But twice.

[Mal]

Should I grab her cell phone number and remind her every time.

[Rory]

Yeah, we need to eat. So she's on the. This is so. So she's. She's on for the rest of the tour. All right, cool. Let me go introduce myself. This is my number. If you need anything, text me, let me know. Whatever you need, I'm here.

[Julian]

That's. No.

[Mal]

And I'm saying the communication breakdown.

[Rory]

She's a part of the show.

[Mal]

Hired by Ice Spice and Jimmy Henchman's son. Those are the people I speak to. If you need me to take care of this girl, tell me Rory's right.

[Rory]

12 shows in.

[Julian]

Yes, because.

[Rory]

Stop playing semantics, bro. We're not doing that. We're not doing that.

[Julian]

I'm responsible for my team.

[Rory]

Me and Rory are on the fucking tour, and it's a fucking podcast act opening up for us. 12 fucking cities. They following us around, getting on a tour bus. We sleeping in the same fucking hotel. You mean to tell me that you're not going to have some communication with them?

[Julian]

You're saying a different. This is a different situation.

[Rory]

How?

[Julian]

Because. Ok, so in this case, like, Cash Cobain was the opener. Cash had his team, his crew, the people that were managing him. Yeah, this girl, if I'm. If I'm the leader of Ice Spice's team and her people, this girl's not on our team. I don't know, where's her representative? Where's her tour manager?

[Damaris]

Where's her road person? So let me do.

[Julian]

This isn't my team. That's whoever she's with.

[Damaris]

She's.

[Julian]

Takes care of her.

[Damaris]

But she's not. But this is the thing. She's not with anybody.

[Julian]

Well, that's. She's not my. She's not my kid.

[Damaris]

But. Okay, it's not about being your. Okay. And this is where it's on Ice Spice. Because when you tell your friend you're good, your entire team should know, hey, it's definitely one.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's what I'm. That's what we're saying.

[Julian]

I wouldn't put it in the tour manager. The tour manager shouldn't go up to her and be like, oh, hey, like what we're gonna take. No, I'm taking orders from the fucking star, the artist, the face of this whole fucking tour. Right? So I said, yo, I notice it's random. Like last minute, my friend's tagging along. Just make sure she's included with that Bet we can make sure that that gets.

[Rory]

No, for sure. It's definitely why.

[Julian]

But there's this girl just hanging out. I'm like, okay, she has to have a team somewhere.

[Damaris]

But hold on, hold on. Well, first of all, they knew she didn't have a. If Ice Spice's team knew how many.

[Rory]

Shows did clear, she did the whole.

[Damaris]

I think a whole month run. I think it was. Ended up being like 15, 16 shows.

[Rory]

Yeah, come on, bro. There's no. That's no, there's no. That's. There's no reason why. Whoever's in charge of Ice Spice and making sure she. Her tour manager is no reason why. Or her road manager, there's no reason why she should not have communication with.

[Damaris]

And on top of that, they can't. They came to. She didn't say, hey, Ice Spice, can I go on your tour? Can I go on your tour? They came to her and said, hey.

[Mal]

I suppose is wrong. We agree there.

[Julian]

Ice Spice came to her and said, come on.

[Mal]

So I'm going to go, I'm going to speculate.

[Damaris]

How do you know before you even go there? You're saying Ice Spice asked her to come on tour, not the team.

[Julian]

No tour manager is saying, hey, Ice Spice, bring this girl on tour for everything.

[Damaris]

You don't.

[Julian]

But see, that's not how that works.

[Damaris]

But I'm not talking about the tour manager. I'm talking about Ice Spice's manager or Ice Spice's label. If you think that Ice Spice just decided, hey, bring this girl on tour. This is Ice Spice's tour. She doesn't even know how it works. No, no, no, no, no. Somebody behind the scenes was like, hey, we need. Need to either do image cleanup or we either need to sell some more tickets or we need to do something.

[Mal]

Both parties have agreed in one thing, and that was Ice Spice asked that girl the day before tour, come on.

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Mal]

There wasn't a sit down. There wasn't management reaching out. Ice Spice went to her homegirl and said, yo, do you want to come on tour?

[Damaris]

But the way that their friendship looks. Well, I mean, I don't even think.

[Mal]

That it would speak on that.

[Damaris]

But what I'm saying is the way that their friendship looks, it doesn't look like, yo, I want to give my friend a look. That's not what that. What this entire friendship even looks like. This looks like. Like. Like said it looks like it was cleanup. It was image cleanup.

[Mal]

But some accountability and not to say that she shouldn't have been taken care of when someone Says they're going to do that. There's no accountability on her already knowing, seeing those leaked text messages. Of course, Ice Spice isn't really my friend.

[Damaris]

I agree.

[Mal]

And I think sometimes it's okay to be an opportunist. Opportunity knocks on the door, I get to open up for Ice Spice. She's doing huge venues. Of course I'm doing that shit. Even though I know this bitch might be a little shady. I'm thinking about my career. So she needs to take some accountability in knowing who she was going on tour with.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

And maybe I shouldn't take her word for what it is. Maybe I should dot the I's, cross the T's with my manager and Jimmy Henchman's son. Yeah, maybe I should follow up and make sure I'm okay. You're still an adult and someone gave you an opportunity.

[Rory]

And I get. You're right. What you're saying is correct. But there's a. There's one simple thing here.

[Mal]

If Chicken soup.

[Rory]

If this. Well, that, too. If this girl was on 15, 16.

[Julian]

Shows, which also only spans over, like, 17, 18 days, however many days that is. Not that long.

[Rory]

You're on a roll with somebody for two weeks, maybe three. Let's say three weeks. Fine, let's say three weeks. You mean to tell me that nobody from Ice Spice's team had any type of contact with Cleo Trapper at all?

[Mal]

I don't know.

[Rory]

But they're sleeping in the same bed some nights.

[Mal]

Because to me.

[Rory]

Come on, man.

[Mal]

Like, there's like a. This is my homegirl that's coming on tour.

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mal]

But that doesn't become responsibility.

[Damaris]

No, Y'all keep saying, this is my homegirl that's coming out. If she was just a homegirl that was just, like, bunking, like, just like on some.

[Rory]

If she was Ice Spicy homegirl, which I'm sure Ice Spice has some homegirls on the road with her. They're taken care of. That's a fact. If you're. If you go on tour right now. If I go on tour. Me and Rory going tour right now. And I have my best friend come with us. You think that this ain't gonna get a chicken salad. Okay, but.

[Julian]

Okay, but then whatever.

[Mal]

We're ordering. He's party.

[Rory]

What are we talking about here?

[Julian]

And again, Ice Spice is a shitty.

[Mal]

Person here, but anytime Kia was there, I didn't separate the expenses of food at the venue. I apologize.

[Rory]

No, that's. I mean, that's.

[Mal]

She got a chicken salad.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's. That's that's.

[Julian]

What does the tour manager look like? If Ice Spice has clearly made this awkward environment where this girl is halfway in but not officially with the crew.

[Rory]

That's why I said it seems and mention no.

[Julian]

But then the. The tour manager, when they go to the steakhouse, say, that girl is there. Ice Whites is going to look at that table and said, who the told this to come to this dinner? And then I'm going to be the torment. This is why you can't. Emotions can't play into being a tour manager or someone running a show.

[Rory]

But that's. But that's different. Because now if she does say that, I'm like this girl. Y'all was sleeping in the same bed.

[Julian]

But you're still wrong. I didn't want her at this steakhouse. Get her out of here.

[Mal]

Your friend like, she's not in.

[Julian]

We could spoon it. Not. Hey, this does not get a filet mignon. That's that. Those are ice spices established.

[Damaris]

There's a couple y'all wouldn't let me buy.

[Julian]

Never. Ice Spice has established that as the rule. We share this room. But there are certain things that I don't want her to be a part of. I'm the person going behind the town's back bringing things to dinner.

[Rory]

It definitely seems you're fired. It seems like.

[Damaris]

And that was the point. That was the point. Because Cleo Trapper's thing was.

[Rory]

Hey, and why the are we talking about this so long?

[Damaris]

It's not just about the Ice Spice thing. It's about the whole entirety of tour life and artist management.

[Rory]

It's all about fake relationships and fake friendships.

[Mal]

You mean the music industry.

[Rory]

Exactly, Exactly.

[Mal]

My last point, and I'm speculating, I do not know, but I assume Cash Cobain is a paid opener on that tour.

[Damaris]

I'm assuming, absolutely.

[Julian]

Yes, of course.

[Mal]

Right. We can safely say that, right? I'm sure months in advance, his team and Ice Spice's team and Live Nation or whoever the fuck put this tour together had full conversations. And I think because he is a paid opener, him and his team are responsible for their own tour expenses. You're not part of this Ice Spice crew. You guys can do whatever the fuck y'all want to do. Y'all can eat pay. That's your shit. I don't think he's on the Ice Spice Steakhouse group text to make sure Cash Cobain ate. So imagine that is how this was set up. Everyone on tour is well aware of who Cash Cobain is. But Cash, he's Responsible for him. Then all of a sudden, the day before, we already have this system. There's just another random opener that I've never met, and no one told me that I have to be responsible for it. Because from my understanding, the openers take care of their own, because that has been negotiated months in advance, which is awesome. And I'm speculating, of course, but I am pretty sure that's how it went about. Because we know Cascobain is getting paid on that, and he's not on the food per diem with Ice Spice. So you just throw a random opener the day before, and now I have to retake. Think my entire.

[Rory]

Why do you keep saying the day before?

[Mal]

That's what they said they was.

[Rory]

How many people?

[Damaris]

Well, the Texas show was the. Well, I think they were in Arizona. That was the 20th show. 19th.

[Rory]

20Th show that Cleo Trapper did.

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Rory]

So stop saying the day before.

[Julian]

20Th show on the tour. Not that she's done. She could have joined halfway through.

[Damaris]

No, she joined the beginning. She joined in the beginning. Like, the beginning of.

[Rory]

Yeah, y'all gotta stop saying the day before. That girl was on the road. Yeah, she was there. She was a part of the show.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Sep. Separate point. That is related to this, though. I do appreciate that this younger generation sets boundaries because my mentality at that age was thug it out. Like, I'll figure it out. I'll go get dollar boundary. That was set of being vocal. You need to pay for my food. Like, being expressive about this because I just unfortunately come from the intern school or the. Like, you have to pay your due shit. Where, like, oh, all right. If I can't sleep on this bunk today, I'll sleep on the floor. I'm trying to make something to myself. Like, you gave me an opportunity to open up. Cool. If you can't pay for my food that day, I won't eat. I'll sleep on the floor. I come from that school, which I think has good values in it. I think it made me the person I am today, but it is fucked up.

[Rory]

Yeah, but we missing one thing in that this isn't just some girl that Ice Spice saw online and was like, yo, we should get her to come over.

[Damaris]

She was famous before I Spice.

[Rory]

She had. She had a wave. She had a buzz. And not only that, they're sleeping in the same bed. So nice. Why do y'all keep skipping over that.

[Damaris]

Pretty early in the.

[Mal]

And she wanted to touch her.

[Rory]

Like, if we're sleeping in the same bed, we have a relationship. We know Each other. We're friends. Like, you don't sleep in a bed with some random person.

[Mal]

I've done it plenty of times.

[Rory]

Yeah, but you know, you don't also know just.

[Julian]

Who.

[Damaris]

That's. That's your bag.

[Julian]

What's your name?

[Rory]

That's what you say when you wake up. Oh, what are you doing here? Fever Dream.

[Julian]

What I learned here is I spice the shitty.

[Mal]

I'm ordering Uber Eats. Can you Venmo me your half?

[Rory]

Yeah, right? Yeah, like, I'm ordering. Actually, it's a group order. And give me your card and we'll split it.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I just. I feel like. And I think that was Cleo's because Cleo came out and said she was like, yo, if your security won't. If your security won't carry my bags, you could have let me know that and I could have paid your security to carry my bags. If I, If. If there was a discrepancy with food, my manager could have reached out to your manager. We have handled budget. Like, none of these things. You didn't give. You told me I was good, so therefore I didn't plan out in advance. Granted. I think that is extremely naive. Extremely naive on Cleo Trappic. I'm not an artist and I would know better than that. Like, you could have met her three shows in and like, hey, let our managers handle this first. Let's make sure paperwork is good. There should have been some type of contract. Like, let's make sure all of this is good before I go on roll with you. And if not, it sound like she.

[Rory]

Went on a road just out of.

[Damaris]

Goodwill off gp and it's just like, nah.

[Rory]

And Ice Spice kept it business all the way through and was like, yo, she's not. I'm not paying for her food. Like, I think that's probably what it was. It's fucked up. But I mean, the lesson here is know who your friends are, know who your friends aren't, and have your.

[Damaris]

If you're a young artist, have your manager. Everything needs to be in writing and have your manager a part of every conversation. That's just, that's period.

[Mal]

And I completely agree with y'all, but how old do we think Cleopatra trappa is? Like 20 something?

[Damaris]

I think she's like 24 or something like that.

[Mal]

That is kind of. I'm not ex excusing the behavior, but that is kind of part of the come up.

[Julian]

She's 26.

[Mal]

If you have an opportunity last minute and someone says, let's do this. Yeah, it's Gonna suck. But this is part of the process. I think people should keep their word.

[Rory]

But.

[Mal]

But now, if I'm trying to be a rapper or an entertainer and somebody hits me the day before. Yeah, she should have her paperwork in order. She should have everything set up that way. But not this is you going. If that's going to delay anything, then it.

[Damaris]

That was the day before she asked her the day before to come on tour. She went on tour a day after she found out that she was going.

[Rory]

Wait, what?

[Damaris]

Like the tour started? Ice Spice asked her to go on tour the day before the tour started. Ok, but that's why you keep saying. He gonna keep saying the day before.

[Rory]

This is. But this has been. But they had. They was on tour for almost.

[Damaris]

No, that was just the steakhouse thing.

[Mal]

Everything can't be because of timing set up in the way it should. As far as business goes, if Ice Spice tells me, yo, tomorrow we leave for tour, I have an extra bunk you can open up before Cash Cobain. If my business isn't in order, fuck that. I'm getting on the bus us. This is my dream. This is what I'm doing.

[Rory]

For sure. I'm just speaking for sure. Like it clearly that was intentional because again, this is just not some random person. Her and the star of the tour are sleeping in the same bed.

[Mal]

The funniest part of the whole thing was she was. She explained how she felt unsafe and un. Taken Care of, not valued. And then Ice Spice got on Twitter spaces and was like, you ate the food so fast, the waiter didn't even know where the food went. That was her response to her friend feeling unsafe.

[Rory]

Oh, that means. That means Cleo Ice spices.

[Mal]

That was the coldest.

[Rory]

When start saying like that, it's like, oh, yeah. The other person telling us, tough. That's for sure.

[Damaris]

Yeah. When she went Ice. Yeah, when Cleo, basically, because that. Because Cleo did the. Cleo. After Cleo said something about the bags, she didn't say anything else for the rest of the tour about food, about that. She complained about nothing. She went out there, she did the show, whatever. When she didn't leave Atlanta with them for their last show in Miami, she wrote Ice and was like, hey, like a long message. I didn't feel safe on this tour. I didn't feel like taken care of. Like, I just all of these things. Like, I don't feel like this was a good friend, yada, yada. And I said, wow, you really mad. Ungrateful. Da da da. And like, just went off on her she called her. She was like, have your. She basically called her a careerless bum. And Cleo Trapper was like, when you met me, like, before anybody knew who you were, you were like, wow, this is a full soaker, full circle moment. I'm such a fan. Like, yes, you, you. You skyrocketed and you became so famous so quickly. But like, I've been out here grinding for a while and you knew who I was before anybody knew who you were.

[Mal]

But to me, that. That's where I, Spice. Can't win for losing. Once you say that type of. You lost. If I'm such a bum, why did you want me?

[Damaris]

Yep.

[Mal]

To open up.

[Rory]

Like, that's why I represent what I said. Once you start saying certain, you think.

[Mal]

I want to bum.

[Rory]

Yeah. Once you start saying certain, it's like also using.

[Julian]

Biting a bum into your bed.

[Rory]

Yeah. Like, just. Just say yo was wrong. It's that simple. You ain't got to go to the name calling and all that. And another thing that's going to be really interesting to watch is because that Cleo Trapper girl, people really like that girl.

[Damaris]

They've always liked that.

[Rory]

She has talent.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

And she's pop. She has like, her personality reminds me of Cardi. Like, she blew up big on IG like Cardi did.

[Rory]

So I say that to say God will humble you. And God would them tables turn. And a year from now, we might be talking about Cleo Trapper in a whole different space. And we might not be talking about Ice Spice at all.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I'm a Cleo. I'm a Cleo Trapper fan, and I do wish the best for her. So we'll see. We'll see what's next for her.

[Mal]

But when I say the clock is on, you guys shame me, but when Maul says it, you accept it. Not cool.

[Rory]

I said the clock was on.

[Damaris]

Never said that for Ice Spice.

[Rory]

No, I said just life and the way things can go can humble you like. Cause you know, this can turn around and Cleo Trapper can become, you know, just as big, if not bigger than Ice Spice. And a year from now, we may not be even talking about or mentioning Ice Spice. I mean, I want the best for both of them, but life just has a way of humbling you. And you know, good people always land where they're supposed to.

[Julian]

So.

[Rory]

Yeah, hopefully both of these ladies can, you know, be successful. Well, that's different.

[Julian]

And her ass isn't the only thing she's lost. She's also lost 500, 000 followers on Instagram. So it seems like people are over her stuff at the moment.

[Mal]

That. That's kind of sounds like cap to me.

[Julian]

What?

[Mal]

Did 500, 000 people even see this exchange?

[Damaris]

Yes, it's also been accumulative.

[Mal]

Going unfollow.

[Damaris]

It's viral. Like, if I pull it up on TikTok right now, like, it's. It's.

[Julian]

Kids really care about this.

[Damaris]

Very. Yeah, it's like people are.

[Rory]

Instagram just did that thing where they start wiping bot accounts.

[Mal]

Yes, that's where I'm thinking it's coming from.

[Rory]

That's all that is, man. They wiped a few bot accounts from the. From the.

[Damaris]

The.

[Rory]

From the app. Oh, my God.

[Mal]

Now she's only at 11.5 million.

[Rory]

Oh, my God, Rory, she gotta go to 12 last night.

[Mal]

My God, what is her team gonna do?

[Damaris]

Well, each of her parts that she did on. And she did six parts. Each of those parts are at 3 million views.

[Julian]

Cleo Trappers.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Damaris]

And that's on Tick Tock alone, so.

[Mal]

Okay. But let's see the value of this.

[Rory]

Those numbers are fake. Streaming Farm Fair.

[Mal]

How did the follower count change for Cleo? Did it go up by 500, 000?

[Julian]

No, of course that's. There's no direct correlation. Yeah, that would work.

[Rory]

You were just trying to make the direct correlation.

[Mal]

Yeah, you guys were just literally making a direct.

[Rory]

Well, I'm saying because of this.

[Julian]

No, not because of this. I think she. It's been a cumulative thing. She's done other things, too, that have annoyed people.

[Rory]

Oh, okay.

[Damaris]

Well, once you piss off the barbs.

[Julian]

Baby, that was the big one.

[Damaris]

Once you piss off the barbs, that's. It's a different level.

[Mal]

That's. That's.

[Rory]

Yeah, we had a meeting about that a few months ago. We were sitting down, talking, trying to figure out if. Yeah, I was at the round table. Me and Nikki was kind of discussing some things, and we was trying to figure out where we was going, you know?

[Mal]

I mean, but the round table being you, Nikki and Kenny is just the funniest image.

[Rory]

I mean, you know, we got to keep the council in order. That's all.

[Mal]

I get it.

[Rory]

Keep the council in order.

[Mal]

You saw what he did on Live.

[Rory]

No, we get the voicemails. Okay.

[Damaris]

Rory is so messy.

[Mal]

How am I messy?

[Damaris]

Get the voicemails.

[Mal]

Because he used the slur. That's half of Nikki's fan base.

[Damaris]

Yeah, he used. What did he.

[Mal]

I know. Nikki heard that and just went.

[Damaris]

He used. He used the F word on live.

[Rory]

He Did.

[Mal]

Yeah, it was.

[Julian]

Oh, mall likes him.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but that's. That's Nikki's fan base is 50.

[Rory]

All right, but what was the content?

[Mal]

Maybe more than 50.

[Rory]

What was the context?

[Julian]

Because you can be a. Without being.

[Rory]

Exactly. That's my point. Which is how. Which is how I was introduced to the word. Had no idea that it was a sexual thing at all.

[Mal]

We were wrong. Now that we know that, we don't use the word. With that said, I think they were talking about, like, Internet trolls or something. And then he was calling the people on the Internet.

[Julian]

Oh.

[Mal]

Which isn't fair game. But I get where he was going.

[Rory]

Yeah, I get it. I understand.

[Mal]

So, yeah, now that we know.

[Rory]

Right.

[Mal]

It's offensive. At the time, we didn't know. Right?

[Julian]

Yeah, we definitely didn't know it was offensive. We just used it as a slur.

[Mal]

Yeah, but not for that community. We used it.

[Rory]

It for our community.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

But it was wrong. Like when you And I'm sorry. Yeah, I was wrong.

[Rory]

I didn't know when you didn't get picked to play five on five and you took your basketball home because you had the good basketball you were then.

[Damaris]

But you know that. That I get what you guys get. Are saying. But that did stem from.

[Mal]

For sure.

[Damaris]

No, that's where it stemmed from. You're using that in comparison to.

[Rory]

Yeah, but like we said, facts change.

[Mal]

Yeah, facts do change.

[Julian]

Facts do.

[Mal]

Even at that very immature part of my life, I would. Would never even. I would never call a gay person that. I only said it's.

[Julian]

Unless they were acting like.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

In any case.

[Mal]

But ironically, straight people act like that word more than gay people.

[Rory]

Bigger ones. Oh, God. Kidding me. Jesus. Do we have voicemails, Julian?

[Julian]

Yes.

[Mal]

You've Got Mail.

[Julian]

300 episodes. Feels like a good time to remind people if you subscribe to Patreon, all tiers have access to voicemails. It's pinned to the top of our Patreon. It's a link. You can click it, call in, leave a voicemail. You have 90 seconds. If not, just do it again. Please do not say I left a voicemail. I'm gonna do it again. Don't provide context. Just do it again. Start as if I've never heard it. You know what I mean?

[Mal]

I have to respect the loophole that our listeners that don't subscribe to Patreon found whatever they have been sending their version of voicemails or stories and advice through our merch email, they have.

[Julian]

Oh, that's really funny. Oh, I would take a Look at some of those.

[Mal]

I read. I was like, oh, this would be good, but nah, we got to put our foot down. Oh, yeah, boundaries.

[Julian]

I will not take a look at those.

[Mal]

You have to pay for Patreon to do a voicemail. We're not doing the merch. Email voicemails.

[Damaris]

Oh, my God.

[Julian]

That is funny. To send a voice note via email anyway.

[Mal]

And we can maybe cut this or keep it. I don't give a. A girl at our Chicago show. Remember the. The Jewish woman?

[Rory]

The Ukrainian Jew. Ukrainian unicorn.

[Mal]

Yeah. She left a voicemail about a threesome that she was pitched for at our show. So we have to find that voicemail.

[Rory]

Wait, somebody at the two guys at the show. Or was it a couple?

[Mal]

A couple.

[Rory]

Oh, they were trying to get a little piece of that unicorn.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Oh, they wanted some unicorn.

[Mal]

Yeah. They want some of our tax dollars.

[Rory]

Yeah, I get it. Yeah. Julian, we gotta find that one. Make sure you. Make sure you comb through it.

[Mal]

She hit me on DM and was like, find my voicemail.

[Rory]

Yeah, make sure you comb through the voicemails and find them one.

[Julian]

All right, well, we'll try. All right, here we have this one for now.

[Mal]

I'll find her name for you From Baltimore. I've called before.

[Rory]

I got a question for y'all. Going off of your debate in your last episode. So I met this girl. We were hanging out, probably hung out every day for about two weeks around.

[Mal]

The 4th of July time.

[Rory]

And got to the point where I knew we were both talk. I wasn't talking to other people because.

[Mal]

That'S just how I am. I know it's wrong, but, like, if I'm talking to one, that's what.

[Rory]

That's who I'm talking to. But I knew that she wasn't.

[Julian]

That's love and respect, if I follow one.

[Mal]

I don't try to play with these.

[Julian]

Yeah, I'm a one kind of guy.

[Rory]

And am I wrong? Because she was having. She was getting picked up by dudes from my.

[Mal]

From my crib. I was dropping her off at some dude's place.

[Rory]

It was getting too fucking much.

[Mal]

And I just want to let you.

[Rory]

Know, I want to figure out if. What, like, just by cutting her off. Me cutting her off, Was that me.

[Mal]

Being insecure or was that just part of the game? Well, the game is the game, and if you didn't have a conversation with her of the. What are we. Hey, I'm just talking to you. Is that something that, like, are we on the same page there? We have never established what this Is so. Anything she does without that conversation is fair game in my opinion. As long as she's not, like, rawing a bunch of dudes and, you know, bringing STDs back to the crib. But the game is the game. If you don't have a conversation with her, she can do whatever the fuck she wants. Just because you're only talking to her doesn't mean that you can make up that rule in your head, like, oh, I'm only talking to her, so she can only talk with me. Now, unless you establish that and have that conversation, the game is the game.

[Rory]

You're not right, you're not wrong, you're not wrong. But we gotta stop acting like we all sit down and have that conversation. Like, hey, what are we. If. If we fuck. If we hear here banging raw all weekend, you mine, it's taking vacation. We not gonna play these games if we banging raw all weekend. And on Wednesday, I go out and see you at a fucking restaurant with some other nigga.

[Mal]

Rude awakening for you, Ma.

[Rory]

It ain't no rude awakening for me.

[Julian]

It ain't never rude awakening for me.

[Rory]

It's never no rude awakening for me. Cause all of mine's know if I. If this condom ain't on and I catch you out with another, I'm slapping all of mines.

[Damaris]

All of mine.

[Rory]

No, not like, at the one time. I'm saying, like, throughout my dating life, they all know that if we're having.

[Julian]

So you never rod multiple girls at the same time?

[Rory]

What? No.

[Mal]

Who would do that?

[Rory]

I ain't no dirty dick out here from the Bronx. You crazy? Not me.

[Mal]

I don't play those from the Bronx.

[Rory]

I don't play those games. I don't. I don't play those.

[Mal]

I don't play that taken out of that.

[Rory]

I don't. I don't play the other part was true. Yeah. I don't. I don't play those. I don't play those roles. Raw, raw, raw games. I don't do that. I was never. I'm not cutting Raw roulette. Yeah, I'm not cut Raw roulette, that game. I never was a part of that game. But back to what I was saying, you know when somebody is like, stop acting like we gotta have the. It sounds great. It sounds great to sit down over a cup of coffee and say, hey, look, I like you, you like me. What are we doing? What is this? Great. It's great to have that conversation for clarity and, you know, so everybody's on the same page. I get it. But in the event that you don't have that type of conversation, I still think that, you know, when you and somebody are like, okay, this is the person that I'm with. This is person that I'm fucking with. I'm not fucking with nobody else. My time is spent with this person. When I'm not working, when I'm not with family, this is the only person that I am intimate with. This is the only person who I am sleeping with. I'm in. In their house. They're in my house. Like. Like, you know, bro, you spend enough time to know, like, all right, when does this person ever have time to be laid up with somebody else? Like, okay.

[Damaris]

Oh, niggas will find a way, won't they?

[Rory]

Y'all will find a way, too.

[Mal]

I got some stories women are better at.

[Rory]

Finding a way, finding a way y'all love finding.

[Damaris]

Finding a way to switch around. I hate it here.

[Rory]

It ain't. We ain't switching nothing around. We just keeping it even on both sides of the table.

[Mal]

But where he is wrong, though?

[Julian]

I hate it here.

[Mal]

If we're going off a percentage men, we will be the first person to be like, yo, we never said we were dating. Like, why are you even asking me? Like, I'm.

[Rory]

We invented that.

[Mal]

That's what I'm saying. So you sound a little hypocritical for.

[Rory]

No, no, I'm gender. No, no.

[Mal]

Because I said, we are the kings.

[Rory]

Of that at the top. You are right. I said, you're not wrong. You're not wrong. Have that conversation. You're not wrong. I'm just saying we got to stop acting like saying, will you be my girlfriend?

[Damaris]

Will you be my boyfriend?

[Rory]

Ain't doing that. We just look up one day, and it's like, I got mad in your crib sometimes. It just happened like that. I got mad in your crib. You got mad in mind. I'd have been to four family events with you. All right.

[Damaris]

If you're a family event, you're not even making it. See, but this is. And this is where I say people need to create these boundaries. Because I'm queen. Like, yo, so what we doing here, man? For real?

[Rory]

People use that if I'm squeezing your.

[Damaris]

Nut out of my vagina right now. So, like, what we doing, gangster?

[Julian]

Ah, come on.

[Mal]

What we doing, gang?

[Julian]

We're at work.

[Rory]

You know what we doing?

[Damaris]

What are we doing?

[Rory]

We in here. That's what we doing. We in here. You know what we doing?

[Mal]

What?

[Rory]

Oh, man. You know, I love it. I love It. I love them type of relationships. What we doing? You know what? We stop playing with me and go get the rag and put a little bit of soap on that.

[Mal]

That gets rid of it.

[Damaris]

Julian.

[Rory]

Well, no.

[Mal]

Clean me up.

[Rory]

We good?

[Damaris]

Julian is damaged.

[Julian]

No, because I'm such a visual person and you saying I'm squeezing nut out of my vagina, it's like, hard for me not to picture that. And it's like, stop doing that too good. I mean, it's fantastic.

[Mal]

That has to be an HR crisis of you envisioning that.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I'm in the wrong.

[Julian]

She said it.

[Damaris]

We're potting, like, now you're envisioning my pussy. We were pot.

[Julian]

You just said, all right.

[Mal]

Audio experience.

[Rory]

Yeah. The journey.

[Julian]

All right, so.

[Rory]

All right.

[Julian]

If I'm like, all right. I just. I just. Peter north, your face. Like, then we'll go get a coffee and talk about if we should spend Thanksgiving together.

[Mal]

Too far.

[Julian]

How one is safer than the other.

[Mal]

You comparing yourself to Peter north is kind of crazy.

[Julian]

I know.

[Rory]

Wow.

[Julian]

Rope stroke.

[Rory]

Sir, what is his name? The gentleman's name that's looking for advice.

[Julian]

I think it was Rick.

[Mal]

Can we get a. Where is. Where are they now with Peter North?

[Rory]

No, we don't need that. I don't care.

[Mal]

I'm kind of curious if he's like.

[Rory]

Okay, have your homoerotic thoughts.

[Julian]

What is Peter north up to?

[Mal]

What's homoerotic about wondering if he's okay?

[Rory]

He's a male porn star and you're wondering where he's at right now.

[Julian]

He's 67.

[Mal]

I mean, he was a. A major part of the culture.

[Rory]

Like, oh, no, I'm. No lies told there. I'm not wondering where he is right now in his life.

[Mal]

I mean, I just hope he's okay.

[Julian]

Oh, wow. Did you guys know he initially performed gay porn?

[Mal]

No.

[Julian]

Wow. Talk about a switch.

[Mal]

Quiet is kept. And apologies to the porn culture. I don't think I ever watched a Peter North.

[Julian]

Yes, you have.

[Mal]

No, he was always like a pop up ad when I was doing my porn on my Gateway computer.

[Rory]

Oh, you were, like, late to the porn game.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah. Peter north is like, no, I know.

[Mal]

He'S a he, but he was always like a pop up. He was like the face of porn.

[Rory]

Oh.

[Mal]

He's like, I never, like, went to his catalog.

[Julian]

He's like the Barry Bonds.

[Mal]

So he was juicing is what you're saying.

[Julian]

He might as well, but you would hope. He was crazy.

[Rory]

He was juicing. What? Gentlemen, sir, whatever your name is, had.

[Damaris]

That conversation with that girl. Don't make that assumption.

[Rory]

Had a conversation, but I. But he already cut it off.

[Julian]

He said he cut it off.

[Rory]

Oh, he cut it off.

[Julian]

I said he's having. She was having guys pick her up at his place. He was dropping.

[Rory]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Julian]

He said he was dropping her off at guys places.

[Rory]

Oh, no. See, see, see?

[Damaris]

Oh, he's a. He's. He a food.

[Rory]

Yeah, he.

[Julian]

Yeah, you might as well get out and bring a foldable chair and watch them.

[Rory]

Yeah, you doing too. I don't know what you doing, fam, but that ain't having her have guys come pick her up from your place.

[Julian]

Yeah, and vice versa.

[Rory]

Off to guys house. Y. What's going on in the dating pool out here, right?

[Damaris]

I told you it has chlamydia. Piss in it.

[Rory]

And y'all that I'm on like, is cool with just dropping the chick that they just finished smashing off at the next dude house.

[Julian]

That's insane.

[Rory]

Like, when did that become like, you're. Now I'm about to drop over her other homie crib so I could go pick up my other chick. Like, what is that?

[Damaris]

That's what they're.

[Mal]

Everybody salad don't look that bad right now, do it?

[Rory]

Yeah, that's crazy. If that's what's going on, man, listen.

[Julian]

Imagine dropping a girl off at another guy, knowingly knowing, like, you want to do that? Like, yeah, no, I got you.

[Rory]

Well, you know, Book bag Bay, she had a Drop her off.

[Julian]

That's not. That's not what happened.

[Mal]

The game is the game in that.

[Damaris]

Just because he wasn't in the car didn't mean he didn't drop her off. He just walked. That's New York dropping off.

[Rory]

Yeah, he dropped off.

[Julian]

That's not game. Because I. I didn't walk her to his. I said, get the out of my apartment.

[Rory]

He said he walked her.

[Mal]

You put her without housing. She pretty much. You're Ice Spice.

[Rory]

She was the run run again. Yeah, she had one of her dudes drop her off. She had one of her dudes drop her off at her other dude's house. She was running game.

[Mal]

She was.

[Rory]

Yeah. And she got caught because you just happened to be going outside to pick.

[Mal]

Up some food and you know, you lied to him as well.

[Julian]

Oh, 100. Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

She got caught.

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Damaris]

One day I'm gonna tell y'all how this boy had me waiting in his house for him to come home, and he was out on a date, and I found out because he accidentally called me through the car phone, and shorty was like, your phone's ringing.

[Rory]

What else is the game? What else you gonna tell us one day?

[Julian]

Why haven't we told that story? We bring up backpack, bitch.

[Damaris]

I like having, like, you know, dignity.

[Julian]

It's gone now. Tell the story.

[Damaris]

I just told it. I just told it.

[Rory]

Yeah, you gave us the purpose of the story.

[Julian]

Like, when the call happened, did you stay or did you leave? You stayed.

[Damaris]

The world may never know.

[Rory]

Watch. Find out in the next episode of the Marriage Stayed. The marriage stayed. She definitely.

[Mal]

But, you know, he probably. He probably got off some, like, yo, some good. That my homegirl.

[Julian]

That was my cousin.

[Damaris]

He said it was. Yeah, I think he said it was his God sister. I don't know who.

[Julian]

Yo, he threw God into the mix for no reason. Why bring God into the Yo God.

[Damaris]

Sister hung out with my God, yo God.

[Rory]

I'm lying. I used to stay with my God sister all the time in Canada, but I'm never telling a girl my God.

[Mal]

Sister every weekend she has kids. So.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's different.

[Damaris]

I think he was drop. He allegedly. He was dropping her off somewhere, but I found out later.

[Rory]

All right. I never dropped my God sister off anywhere. I could say that. Never done that. Y'all drop, yo, my gosh. This is just.

[Julian]

How long did that lie last? Cause he obviously was.

[Damaris]

A year.

[Rory]

A year.

[Damaris]

He told me that later. A year, a year later.

[Rory]

Oh, he told you a year after that?

[Damaris]

Yeah, because he forgot that he told me the lie, and I was like, yeah, you did that. He was like, yeah, that was fucked up. Like, he forgot. He told me to lie. He thought I just figured the lie out.

[Rory]

What.

[Mal]

What was the date?

[Damaris]

You good?

[Mal]

I'm just asking.

[Damaris]

Are you good?

[Mal]

Like, are you whining and dining as God's sister?

[Damaris]

Oh, you said. Oh, I thought you meant, like, the date. Like, no, no, no, no.

[Mal]

What was the date that he was on?

[Damaris]

Oh, I don't know.

[Mal]

Did he get back home and you're like, yo, you hungry? And he was like, I gotta.

[Damaris]

He was like, yo, when I get back home, you better still be here. I had a crib. I could have just left. He was like, nah, you should still be here.

[Rory]

Oh, that's pimping.

[Julian]

That's. That's nice.

[Rory]

Listen, when I get home, you better still be. And you better have that.

[Julian]

He just left the statehouse.

[Rory]

You better have that shit on. You know what? I want to see you in.

[Julian]

You still. You hungry as shit. He full as fuck. You on different Eating schedules.

[Damaris]

I ain't never been in a n house and been hungry, baby, you got the wrong bitch.

[Rory]

Having a chick just sitting in your crib and you with another chick, that is.

[Mal]

That's fucking.

[Rory]

It's crazy.

[Julian]

That's up. That is up.

[Rory]

That's wild. See, I just.

[Mal]

It's just.

[Rory]

You don't have to live like that.

[Damaris]

You don't have to live like that.

[Rory]

That's why I don't.

[Damaris]

They like it. You don't have to live like an ego boost.

[Mal]

That's just too complicated.

[Rory]

It's just too. But it's too. Like. It's too many things that could go wrong in that.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, why would you even set yourself up for the wrong to happen?

[Mal]

And also, like, what if you smoke the date and she ready?

[Rory]

What if she got a pee?

[Julian]

Yeah, Roy. What if she got a red flag?

[Rory]

What if she down. She was in the car. She's like, yo, can I use the bathroom? I gotta.

[Julian]

Rory's angle. But what if you could have gotten her cheeks?

[Mal]

Yeah, like, what if she ready to go back?

[Rory]

Yeah, like, what if she like, yo, it's parking right here. Like, yo, what's up? I'm run up.

[Damaris]

Parking.

[Rory]

New York. That's a thing.

[Damaris]

Crazy in New York.

[Rory]

Yo, your pull. You pull up and it's parking right in front of the building. It's like, m. You got to.

[Julian]

We have to.

[Rory]

You got to give me the pussy. What the. This don't happen. You don't just pull up and find parking.

[Mal]

Phrase that sentence just for the listeners.

[Rory]

If I'm on a date with a girl that I'm seeing and I pull up to her house, and if you live in New York City in the five boroughs, you know how hard it is to find convenient parking on any street?

[Julian]

Of course. True.

[Rory]

So if I pull up to her house, okay, and there's a parking spot in front of her building, she has no choice.

[Julian]

She has no choice.

[Mal]

Yeah. I still feel like this bitch is that owe me sex crazy bar.

[Rory]

In retrospect, I definitely feel like that. I feel like that.

[Mal]

I know what Kanye was trying to say, but in this climate, that's a crazy climate.

[Rory]

I know what he was trying to say. I don't care about what the climate is doing.

[Mal]

I know exactly what he was saying.

[Rory]

The climate.

[Mal]

There's plenty of chicks that we were supposed to, and we never ended up.

[Rory]

Yeah. And they know it, too. It's girls that say, there's some that owe me dick. The marriage say it all the time.

[Damaris]

I do not say that all the time. Yo, don't push. Just lying. Don't put that on me. I do not say that all the time.

[Mal]

Not only did he said it one time, he said you say it all the time.

[Rory]

Camera off camera. She just be walking by. Yo, owe me.

[Mal]

She almost says that too much.

[Damaris]

Y'all got me too much.

[Rory]

Owe me dick. I ain't gonna lie like.

[Julian]

Like after what.

[Damaris]

What they say a ten crack commandments. You bugging the up.

[Mal]

I don't know that. I don't know that bar.

[Julian]

There's no dick bar.

[Damaris]

No, it's just ain't nothing of a different biggie. Ain't no you gonna pay me later.

[Rory]

Now, I hear that. That's pimping. I need mine now. If I find parking in front of your building, it's no way I'm just driving past this spot, right? Yeah. I'm not going home. You bugging.

[Damaris]

Well, you could park there and sleep there. Because if I ain't give you, I ain't give you. I don't give a hook.

[Rory]

Park, then we'll never hang out again.

[Damaris]

See mall.

[Rory]

It's that fast. I'll be like, all right.

[Mal]

You ever anticipate the pussy so much that you purposely illegally park and are fine with the consequences?

[Rory]

Oh, I've done that. What?

[Mal]

I've ended up in Brooklyn. Brooklyn Navy Yard.

[Rory]

Take the ticket.

[Mal]

Many of weekends, like, you know what? Fuck it, I'm hydrant.

[Rory]

I can't wait to come downstairs and see that orange ticket sitting on the windshield.

[Mal]

Oh, I'm talking about.

[Rory]

I don't give a total. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. We ain't doing that. As long as it's there. I don't care about the ticket on the window. Don't let the car not be there. That's when the whole wasn't worth it. But if it's just a ticket, I mean, 60 pump, 65. Eat that.

[Mal]

Tickets are cheaper than the garage.

[Damaris]

No, for.

[Rory]

Not for a pump.

[Damaris]

Oh, not for a pump.

[Rory]

No, not for a pump.

[Mal]

But that's when you do my move to put an old ticket in the dash.

[Rory]

That don't work. That only works.

[Damaris]

It's been working for Rory for a couple years, though.

[Julian]

No, what you need to do is steal a ticket from a car nearby, take it, put it under yours.

[Mal]

That's a great strategy. I've never thought of that.

[Julian]

They get in way more trouble because they have an unpaid parking ticket. But you have a brand new, like as of today, timestamp parking ticket.

[Mal]

Yeah. Wow, that's a really Selfish strategy.

[Rory]

He's not.

[Damaris]

You're not cooking.

[Rory]

He puts a. He puts an actual fine, not a ticket to pay for the meter.

[Julian]

No, no, no. I'm saying, like, if.

[Mal]

Yeah, I put a parking ticket.

[Damaris]

No, he's saying if somebody. If somebody around you already got a ticket.

[Julian]

Yeah. Take that.

[Damaris]

That their ticket and put it on your dad.

[Julian]

Because it has the time, it has the date. It looks like it has the car. They're not looking that hard.

[Mal]

But now you're giving. Now you're giving cops a lot of credit.

[Julian]

Yeah. Little Bangladeshi dude in his shirt three times too big for him. Like, you're not reading all that.

[Damaris]

Are you okay?

[Rory]

They look just like you.

[Julian]

I know.

[Mal]

That felt like self hate.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Like you never see them waddling around.

[Rory]

So their shoes.

[Julian]

They look like you. They don't look like me. Yes, they do.

[Rory]

If I put you in a little ass hat with a. With a. With a badge on it and a hat and a blue shirt.

[Julian]

Shoot, it'll be a skit.

[Mal]

Ha.

[Julian]

I don't look like that.

[Mal]

We not know with the natural hair.

[Julian]

No. Well, yeah, with the hair. Yeah, we could.

[Rory]

No, but if you put the hat on with the shield under the badge on the front. Hell yeah. Do a. A meter make.

[Julian]

All right. Just got to work on the voice.

[Rory]

Yeah. That's all.

[Damaris]

Don't do that mic right now.

[Julian]

Thank you.

[Rory]

You cannot be doing what you're doing. Oh, I'm sorry.

[Damaris]

Oh, my God. Y'all are going to hell.

[Rory]

Yeah. 300.

[Mal]

Listen, I understand people could be offended, but I feel like they even think their accent might be funny.

[Julian]

Bro, there's no way.

[Rory]

And they know that. They all hire them. I love it. It's nepotism. We don't talk about the, like, the.

[Damaris]

Nepotism of the T mobile.

[Rory]

It's customer service of the Indian workers with meter maids. They're all from the same country, all of them. One of them got an HR and started hiring all of them for 30 years. I like that type of. I think that's dope. Like, yeah, that. Yeah, everybody get a job. That.

[Damaris]

So what's a black job? What do we hire, like, our in?

[Rory]

What do we hire our in?

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Well, your man coined the phrase the black job. Yeah.

[Rory]

You know what black jobs are?

[Mal]

I don't.

[Rory]

Physical education teachers.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah, right.

[Damaris]

Track. Track coaches, too.

[Rory]

Yeah, but you had to have ran track crack. See, I bet I had some physical ed teachers. These ain't never been physical or had no education. Wait, so I said, you on work release. You just got they just gave you this job like you ain't no physical education teacher.

[Mal]

Wait, so every PE teacher you've had has been black?

[Rory]

Except for one.

[Damaris]

Mine have all been old white ladies.

[Mal]

Yeah, I've had a mixed bag from elementary school to high school.

[Rory]

Really?

[Mal]

I've had white ladies. I've. I've had black ladies.

[Rory]

White guys, they just throw anybody in there that's in the teacher system, like, come before.

[Mal]

My dad had a mishap with Manhattan College the same way I did in my life. He was a PE major.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

If I would have walked in my high school gym and seen Jake sitting there, I'd have like, man, I ain't doing nothing this period.

[Mal]

Like, he used to.

[Rory]

I ain't doing.

[Mal]

He always tells a funny story because he was. When he was at Manhattan College and that was his major, he did, like, a summer program in the Bronx. Like, you know, one of those. Those summer camps of physical activity, and he used to have to take the black kids through the Italian neighborhood, and they all, like, 30 of them would try to grab onto his shirt. They would be so scared. Walking through the Italian neighborhoods of the Bronx to go to camp.

[Damaris]

That's funny.

[Mal]

No.

[Damaris]

Oh, okay.

[Mal]

I don't like Italians at all. I'm reiterating what I think. I think Italians are awful human beings. As an Irishman. Yeah, I think they're awful. My dad was scared, too.

[Damaris]

Yeah. I don't know what the you grabbing on me for. I'm terrified, too. Sorry. All right, my bad. See, I took it too far.

[Rory]

Do we have another voicemail?

[Damaris]

Did y'all ever take the pacer test? Sorry. Am I aging myself?

[Rory]

Yes.

[Julian]

Yeah, I was very good at that.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Y'all all took it. Mo, you took it, or is that us thing?

[Julian]

I don't know if that was.

[Rory]

That was y'all.

[Damaris]

Wow.

[Rory]

Yeah. What would mall's equivalent? We had sats in the region regions.

[Julian]

Oh, man.

[Mal]

We have regions.

[Damaris]

We had sats and regions.

[Julian]

Pace of the gym.

[Damaris]

Was the SAT for gym?

[Rory]

Like, oh, no, we didn't have it.

[Damaris]

You had to run in between beeps.

[Julian]

Back and forth on the line. It's like red light, green light without the red light and green light.

[Rory]

Never did that day in my life.

[Damaris]

Oh, wow.

[Mal]

But you went to, like, a choir high school.

[Rory]

Went to performing arts high school.

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mal]

I was enjoying.

[Julian]

You had to stop singing when the beep went off.

[Rory]

No, that's when we started.

[Julian]

It was hold the notes.

[Rory]

That was the metronome.

[Mal]

Countless in the pacer test. Sounds like A metronome.

[Julian]

Yeah, so kind of does, especially when it gets fast. All right, next voicemail. Here we go. Brandon.

[Rory]

Hey, Rory, Ma. Julian Damaris, this is Brandon from the dmv. Brandon, what the you want, man? So I was a late bloomer when it comes to looks. I wasn't really ugly, but girls didn't really start paying attention to me until after I graduated college and started getting down the real world. I'd say about 22, 23 years old. From that point on, my life did a complete 180, and the retention I was not receiving versus than what I am receiving. So as most late bloomers do when they start getting attention from people, they just start going crazy. And I'm sure you know how the rest of that goes. So right now I'm 29, probably 30 by time you read this. I'm having trouble trying to shake the lustful aspects of my personality where I just see others in a lustful manner. And I'd like to be at a start taking my relationships more seriously. All my close friends are either married, engaged, or in meaningful relationships. But it feels like I can't seem to shake just lusting after people. So my question to y'all is, at what age do y'all shake off the lusting after people and started taking your relationships more seriously in that maturing aspect. So whenever you can get back to this. Appreciate y'all, love the pot. Have a good one.

[Damaris]

Well, the boys should answer this because I'm a girl, so I've been wanting to be married.

[Mal]

Well, I appreciate you never lusted. Right.

[Rory]

I appreciate Brandon calling you with that.

[Julian]

Man. We still lying.

[Mal]

300 episodes, Twin Flames and soul mates, right?

[Rory]

Yeah. It takes a lot for somebody to admit that they're in a lustful, very horny stage, which we've all had.

[Julian]

Does that take a lot?

[Mal]

Can I be respectful? I mean, offensive to him? This is a classic case of someone that never got and now is just getting and doesn't even know what to do with it because it's such a new experience to him. And he wants to everything around him because he never had access to ever in his life. So he does know how to handle it.

[Julian]

That's what he said.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

And then he's saying, okay, I did that. I'm over it. I want.

[Damaris]

He's not saying he's over it. He says, how do I switch?

[Julian]

He's saying. He's saying, okay, I did it. How do I. Yeah, no one can.

[Mal]

Tell you how to do that switch.

[Damaris]

You have to be ready yeah, well.

[Mal]

He want to make, I think he.

[Rory]

Asked that, like, when does it start to, like, you start to.

[Damaris]

Well, for you guys, when did it.

[Julian]

He said, is there an age to it? There is no age. It is a, there's no age to.

[Rory]

It because, I mean, I know some dudes in their 50s, that's still dogs. They out here trying to hunt you too.

[Julian]

You've been slamming clams since 93.

[Rory]

I don't, I don't be out here just before.

[Mal]

It was way before 93.

[Julian]

No, since then.

[Damaris]

What year you lost your virginity, Ma?

[Rory]

97. 96.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

96. 97.

[Damaris]

Damn. That's the year a Little Mermaid came out.

[Mal]

You lost Virginia When Pac and Big were alive. That's crazy.

[Rory]

Yeah. Wow.

[Damaris]

Oh, you know, I, I, I wasn't familiar with your game.

[Rory]

Yeah, I've been, been the Juicy is.

[Julian]

Crazy while it was on the radio. I'm from the like, not on a throwback channel.

[Mal]

The honorable class of 04 graduated with honors.

[Rory]

Yeah, I think that you just get to a point where, you know what, it's, it's, it's, it's good that he recognizes that he is, you know, just in a lustful stage, because some people don't even recognize that. They just out here running around going crazy. So he recognizes that Sounds like he wants to move with a little more intention when it comes to dating and not just be a physical, sexual thing. I just think that when you meet the right person and, you know, you feel like, I don't want to just, I don't want this to just be a physical thing. Like, I want to kind of like, you know, hang out with this person, get to know them a little more. Obviously it's a sexual attraction, but you'll meet that, that woman that you feel like, yo, I don't want this to just be a physical hit it and just like a lustful relationship. I really care about this woman. I want to, like, you know, be her partner. I want to, like, learn about her, help her grow together, you know, learn about each other's, you know, goals and try to help each other achieve those things and things like that. Once you meet that person that you really are into and you really like away from just a sexual, physical thing, I think that you'll naturally just, you know, move out of that just lustful state.

[Mal]

But some people do meet that person but still have that lust factor to them, and that's where cheating happens and, and disrespect and everything like that. You have to treat lust similar to a Vice to some degree. Like, you have to have discipline within it. Lust is never going to go away. Like, even if you think your girl is an angel, facts are the facts. Everyone has lust. It's just not acting on it, and it's being respectful. Like, you just have to have the discipline to say, all right, I no longer want to act on these urges. That's really what it is. You're not just gonna meet your soulmate and then all of a sudden, lust disappears.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

And on top of that, you won't even know that you met your soulmate. Because if you're in a lustful mind state, you're looking at this person, you're objectifying them lustfully. You're not even. You won't know that that person was your soulmate because you didn't even try to connect with this person. You didn't even try. You didn't try. Like, dating and the concept of trying to find your person takes effort and work. It's not like you just walk into a bar and you meet these girls. People are like, oh, it was just love at first sight. If you're a lustful person, everybody is love at first sight. Because every fine girl you see, you're going to be attracted to. But you have to get to know people. And then you get to know, oh, I didn't even know this girl was funny. Or, oh, I didn't know she was quirky in this way. Or, oh, like, you have to want to get to know people and be looking to get to know people as people like.

[Mal]

And even though as someone that, like, went through the lust phase, too, the way, like, alcohol has the hangover the next day where you, like, you had a blast, but you feel like you start to get into the lust hangover of the. Even right after when you go to the bathroom, look at yourself in the mirror like, what the am I doing? You have to remember.

[Rory]

You need a few of those moments.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

You need that, because that helps with your discipline of when you have lustful moments or when you have certain.

[Rory]

As soon as you act on it.

[Mal]

It'S like, this is not gonna be worth anything. Bust is never gonna go away.

[Rory]

Her butt might stink. Butt might stink.

[Julian]

Butts do be stinking.

[Rory]

Yeah, Sometimes it happens.

[Mal]

Well, that's what I mean. But butts, if you go through the anatomy.

[Julian]

No, if you go to the steakhouse.

[Rory]

But never. I never. They never. I was like, how does your butt.

[Damaris]

That's because they're wiping with witch hazel. Or before that, they're doing spells on Their ass before they let you go anywhere near their ass. They're wiping their ass with witch hazel.

[Julian]

Mall.

[Rory]

I wipe my ass with witch hazel sometimes if my hemorrhoids start like, flaring up.

[Julian]

What you got? What?

[Damaris]

We just know way too much about each other.

[Rory]

It's hemorrhoids. Just natural.

[Mal]

What the so was pushing come out of your vagina.

[Julian]

Why is that where my mind went to? That's because.

[Mal]

Because those are two exits.

[Rory]

Because you got a white and off white. You look like come right now.

[Damaris]

Damn. You look like nut.

[Julian]

I look like Damaris's nails.

[Damaris]

Like thick nut.

[Julian]

This is not come white. First of all, this is linen. These are linen.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

What does linen have to do with this?

[Julian]

It's not. It's linen. It's not c. So I'm letting you.

[Damaris]

Know why the you don't mind the shoes. What's going on, man?

[Mal]

Trying to convince us that you wear crystallized.

[Rory]

Gentlemen, sir. Whatever your name is. Brandon. Is that his name?

[Julian]

Yeah. I'm with him though.

[Rory]

Yeah, man.

[Julian]

Because I'm in that phase. I With like what he's saying I resonate with like, I late bloomer type. Like.

[Damaris]

Oh, you didn't get in high school?

[Julian]

Hell no. Well, also, I also was not attracted to anyone. I grew up in Schenectady. You're No.

[Rory]

I've seen some pieces.

[Julian]

Gross.

[Rory]

There was some pieces in Schenectady.

[Julian]

Go find them.

[Rory]

You won't some up there.

[Julian]

But I college did what I ran rampant and then adult.

[Rory]

Now you're still out here just.

[Julian]

And you know. Yeah, now you know since I've been 17. So now it's like, all right. Like, God damn. Like, damn. We're.

[Rory]

Where does it end?

[Julian]

I'm like LeBron at this point. Like, when do I hang it up? But I'm still putting up a triple double.

[Rory]

See, LeBron put up another stat, I think is that.

[Julian]

Was that his 10th block?

[Damaris]

But Julian. And that's why, like, if you're too much for something.

[Rory]

Too much ass too good.

[Julian]

No, but I feel him because, like, I.

[Rory]

The. The.

[Julian]

The hurdle you have to get to. What the Maris is saying is you have to stop approaching every girl or any girl that you meet or match with or however you're meeting women as like a singular. I want to like, knock this down. I want to achieve. I want to just have a moment with her. You need to like, do that. You can do that. But then also take her seriously as a person and carry the next phase of that. Have the conversation.

[Rory]

You're going to Meet that one girl. Girl that you're gonna like. Like, on a level that you've not liked any other.

[Julian]

But you have to challenge yourself to even welcome that face.

[Rory]

Sure, it sounds like he's ready for that, though. It sounds like he's waiting for that to happen. He wants to know when that's back to discipline.

[Mal]

Because I used to subscribe to the. Yo, knock out as much as you can in your 20s so you don't have a midlife crisis and cheat on your wife. Like, get it out of your system. You don't get it out of your system. You form more of a habit of just casually and just new people new. Like, you're just on to the next high. So I'm glad he's saying, now, yo, I don't really want to do this. Don't try to as many girls as you can, because you'll just form a habit. No offense, Julian, that you'll be sitting there swiping and moving on to the next chick rather than valuing the sex that's in front of you.

[Rory]

You gotta get. You know what it is? You gotta get a girl that you're really attracted to to and just make her like your homie and have that relationship with the fine girl that's like, y'all, we not having sex. Like, this is my homie. We hang out. We kick it. She talks to me about women, and I talk to her about my homeboys and what we going through and like that with girls. Have that type of relationship. Never, never cross that physical boundary with her. Just feel what it feels like to be around a beautiful girl that you're super attracted to. But you will never, ever cross that line.

[Damaris]

Mall over here. Like. Like, show yourself that women are humans and that they have more to offer than their vaginas.

[Mal]

That almost sounded like a fetish, like you just waiting it out with her.

[Rory]

No, I'm just saying you have to belong.

[Julian]

And then you find that parking spot outside of her crib.

[Mal]

No, you have this beard is buttering her up for the next year.

[Rory]

You have to develop a relationship, a girl that you think is cute or pretty.

[Mal]

So have a real relationship with another human being is what you're saying.

[Julian]

Yes, but she's got to be hot.

[Rory]

That's not. But we talking to the guy that's super not horny.

[Mal]

And I'm saying the more you do that, the more you'll probably devalue women and look at it just as. So, yeah, we're saying the same thing. Because you form a habit if you continually just.

[Rory]

That's not what.

[Julian]

No, that's not technical. The mall's not saying that.

[Rory]

I'm saying that.

[Mal]

Treat a woman like a human mall.

[Julian]

Saying he mall's assuming this man has no women that are just purely friends. No, I'll shoot him. I'll shoot him some bail. Because if we're projecting that I'm the same as this guy jokes. I. I have a lot of. I've said it on this show, and you guys make fun of me. I say I have a lot of girlfriends. You're like, that's good. You say girlfriends. But I do. I have a lot of friends that are just girls that I hang out with, get drinks with, like, Damaris included.

[Mal]

I'm not. I'm not a teacher, so I can't call on you.

[Damaris]

I keep. No, I have my hand up because I really. I want you to guys to get through this, but I really want to know being that, like, I would really want to tell you guys something really important for our 300th episode. Y'all have ruined my outlook on men. I was already dark. Dark and twisty.

[Rory]

I'm about to say don't put that on me.

[Damaris]

But y'all have.

[Rory]

I know your dating history based on what you told me before these 300.

[Julian]

Episodes.

[Damaris]

In over 10 years that you.

[Rory]

Did what in Syracuse?

[Damaris]

I haven't dated a man from syracuse in over 10.

[Julian]

Yeah, but Hiroshima is feeling repercussions years after the bomb went off me.

[Mal]

I spice security. I'm not carrying your baggage. No, you cannot put that on.

[Julian]

Right.

[Mal]

Your outlook on men is not our fault.

[Damaris]

Shut up and let me talk seven plus one. Y'all be sitting here like, so I have male friends or whatever, and I think that sometimes my male friends, especially because I was younger and, like, they really didn't want to fuck me up. Like, they weren't as, like, honest. They were honest, but they weren't as, like, just raw about shit. Because we talk on a podcast, so sometimes y'all aren't even even aware of what y'all are saying. I just be listening, like, sitting here like, wow, men are awful fucking human beings. It's so funny. The fans say that I hate men, but, like, I didn't hate men till I got here. When I got here and y'all started talking about how awful men are all the time when you first met me. I hate men.

[Mal]

Or was.

[Rory]

I had toxic relationships with men before.

[Damaris]

This podcast, but I didn't think it was all men. I thought it was just them. I thought it Was just them.

[Julian]

Well, that's your fault.

[Rory]

Yeah, that ain't our fault.

[Julian]

Yeah, that's your fault. That's your fault.

[Mal]

To think three of us would speak for all. All.

[Rory]

You thought that you was just with the only toxic in the world.

[Damaris]

Yeah, like I thought.

[Rory]

Like, why would you argue where it's.

[Julian]

Like, not all cops are bad? It's just like the. The three that shot the kids with the toy guns. It's like, yeah, but, like, the system is bad. Like, men are just bad. Yeah, who's to say, though?

[Damaris]

But I never thought like that. I was just like, damn. Like, I keep picking the wrong ones, and it's like, now I realize I could bob my head for them apples all day. They all got worms in them. Like, God damn.

[Rory]

Yeah, but at what?

[Mal]

We got those worms from women.

[Damaris]

At what point you got show worms.

[Rory]

At what point, though?

[Mal]

It happened one time.

[Rory]

That's crazy.

[Julian]

Wait, you got worms?

[Rory]

At what point do you say.

[Julian]

Roy. Wait, Roy, Rory has active ringworm.

[Rory]

That's crazy.

[Mal]

That's nasty.

[Rory]

As a grown man had wingworms. That's crazy.

[Mal]

There was a wrestling team in my high school, and they got all the ringworms.

[Rory]

Oh, they were from.

[Julian]

Those mats are filthy. Those mats are gross.

[Rory]

Yeah, but, Damaris, at what point do you say it might be you?

[Damaris]

Okay, well, first of all, I take full accountability for the fact that I pick terrible men. So y'all. You ain't gonna. Yes, I do. I take full accountability for that.

[Rory]

How much. How much of. How much do. How much of the toxicity do you put into the relationship?

[Damaris]

Okay, see, you're changing the subject.

[Rory]

I'm just asking.

[Damaris]

I'm not a toxic person. I'm not a toxic.

[Rory]

This has been a Great. What's this?

[Damaris]

300. I deal with 300th.

[Rory]

This has been a great episode.

[Mal]

None of us have accountability.

[Damaris]

I'm sitting up here taking accountability. Have I been in toxic. Have I been in toxic situationships? I have. My relationships have. My actual relationships are not toxic. It may be toxic after the breakup.

[Rory]

This has been a great 300th episode.

[Damaris]

I don't want to listen. Y'all don't want to listen.

[Rory]

London.

[Mal]

We will be in London September 18th. Tickets.

[Rory]

September 18th in London. Tickets on sale now at New Rory Mall dot com.

[Mal]

I have a quick question, though.

[Rory]

What?

[Mal]

Y. Do you think all men are trash?

[Damaris]

How. Give me a percentage.

[Mal]

She. She be at the podcast.

[Rory]

I ain't trash. I'm sitting here.

[Damaris]

Percentage.

[Julian]

Yo, are we trash?

[Rory]

Let's ask.

[Mal]

I'm not trash.

[Rory]

We.

[Julian]

We've done trash things but I don't think overall. Thank you.

[Mal]

Yeah, it was lustful facts.

[Julian]

I'm Brandon from wherever he's from.

[Rory]

I'm not a trash. I know that. That I don't. I don't treat women like. I definitely do. Not you.

[Julian]

Yeah, you've been with the wrong tea.

[Damaris]

Yeah, you is detox for sure. Have your stomach rubbling and on yourself.

[Mal]

I've certainly made my mistakes before that I own up to and God is still working on me. I'm. I'm an incomplete project.

[Rory]

You can tell when go to therapy. Boy.

[Julian]

Rory got the draw four card in.

[Mal]

His back pocket though. You're not.

[Rory]

You're an Irishman in the chair.

[Damaris]

Don't bring up the draw four pocket. Just. Just shut up. Julia. Some things don't need to be said. We know why Rory is up. We know why he's up. We don't need to bring it up. We're not going to joke about it.

[Mal]

Oh, wait, he made like molesting joke.

[Julian]

I said you got life's draw four card in your back pocket. That's my get out of jail free card for everything that happened in my life. Look, this happened to me. What are you going to say about it?

[Mal]

I never used that card.

[Julian]

I would pull that all the time.

[Mal]

Partners.

[Rory]

Yeah, because you're not a piece of.

[Julian]

If I tripped on the sidewalk be.

[Mal]

A crazy thing to say to a woman like listen, I was unfaithful but it's because I could never even get those words out of my mouth.

[Rory]

Wow.

[Julian]

I pulled this up before we close. This was mall said he lost his virginity in 97. These were the top chart songs that were charting at the end of 1997. You were clapping cheeks to Elton John and Jules Jewel.

[Damaris]

No clapping cheeks to I believe I can fly as well.

[Rory]

Nah. Y'all get to Usher though, because that's what I was definitely to you make me want to that was that great record. More money, more problems.

[Mal]

He sweat nobody.

[Rory]

No money more problems. Go ahead. Keep scrolling. One of the greatest years of music.

[Mal]

That's a money problem.

[Damaris]

My Eyes by Baby Face In My.

[Rory]

Bed by Drew Hill. I was for real y'all is to these little drill get drilled yeah y'all to these little to to drill rappers. Wait.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Wait. So Rory Roy what year Pony genuine I was to the classic the pony Aah. The one I gave my heart four.

[Mal]

But I've already told y'all I lost my virginity to Lloyd Banks got up.

[Julian]

No, no, no. But I just want to look at the Chart.

[Rory]

Yo, pause. That's.

[Mal]

I've been very vocal about that my whole.

[Rory]

Okay, say it. Lost my virginity to Lloyd Banks.

[Mal]

No, now I see why I lost.

[Rory]

My virginity to Lloyd Banks.

[Mal]

Yo, I didn't lose my virginity to Lloyd. Lloyd Banks was playing when I lost.

[Julian]

Yeah, he was with you. Okay, got you.

[Mal]

This is because I was too nervous to, like, get up and go change the music.

[Rory]

Oh, that's why you called chlamydia. You was the Usher. Burn.

[Mal]

I didn't get chlamydia when I lost my virginity.

[Julian]

Roy lost his virginity.

[Mal]

I got chlamydia in 09.

[Damaris]

I lost mine to Chris Brown. Whose girl is that? That.

[Rory]

That's expl.

[Mal]

Would been appropriate if I got chlamydia that year.

[Julian]

That's why m. He made the.

[Rory]

All right.

[Mal]

Oh, I didn't hear you. If you made that joke, Roy freak. Oh, we don't talk about Petey Pablo enough.

[Damaris]

That's one of the greatest songs ever.

[Mal]

Flip Sunshine.

[Julian]

That's a good record.

[Mal]

I would have lost my virginity to that one.

[Julian]

Call Away is a banger. Damn right. Me, Myself and I, my boo. Look at that run.

[Mal]

Are we just going to skip over Christina Milion? Dip it low.

[Julian]

Oh, wow.

[Damaris]

That's your. That's what got you hard.

[Mal]

Yeah, for sure.

[Julian]

That's what got you my place. Jahin killed this hook. I loved My Place.

[Mal]

That's a sick Nelly song.

[Julian]

You like that song? I love that song.

[Mal]

It's not a bad song, but that's just a sick Nelly song.

[Rory]

Yo, what year you graduated high school, Julia?

[Julian]

20. I went to school year early 2010.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Julian]

I lost my virginity in 24.

[Mal]

Had some music, man.

[Julian]

11. 2010.

[Mal]

2011.

[Damaris]

Do you guys want to get sad real quick before we close out?

[Mal]

Jojo, leave. Get it out.

[Julian]

It's actually not bad music.

[Rory]

Dido.

[Julian]

White Flag. Good record to slow too.

[Rory]

Nobody's milkshake.

[Mal]

What's really crazy, we looked at like this time as being a shitty time in music. These records in one year would smoke the last 10 years.

[Damaris]

10 years.

[Julian]

Jesus walks.

[Mal]

We used to look at 04 as like a bad time in music.

[Damaris]

Nobody looked at old as a bad time of music or. That sounds insane.

[Rory]

Who's that?

[Mal]

See all them. All them 90s real hip hop guys.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah. No.

[Mal]

Yo, Nick Cannon, R. Kelly, Gigolo was a joint.

[Julian]

Step in the Name of Love came out.

[Damaris]

Step in the name of love is crazy. That was a time.

[Julian]

That's.

[Mal]

That was 04.

[Damaris]

I can't believe that was Little Girl Joe. That is wild.

[Mal]

Yo, Want to get to know you.

[Julian]

Yeah, it's a banger singer shout out.

[Rory]

Marvin, wait.

[Julian]

Damaris. Okay, before. Before we just end up reading all these songs, what was your.

[Damaris]

I was gonna say. Do you guys want to say your condolences real quick before we get. Before we go.

[Mal]

Fat Man Scoop. Condolences to his family. Rest in peace, Fat Man Scoop. Thank you for everything that you contributed to my life, the culture. I. I can't say enough good words about fat man school. One. One time I got a random call when we were. The old podcast. It was like, one of the few times I ever answered a random number. And I thought it was a prank.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Like, I thought someone was, like, doing a Fat Man Scoop impression, and it was really Fat Man Scoop. And not to say we ever, like, had a friendship or relationship, but that was like, the coolest moment to me that Fat Man Scoop was on the phone of just, like, idolizing him. Him for my childhood, of who he was as a dj and just his voice was everything to me. So that. That was definitely, definitely a rough one this past week.

[Damaris]

That video was rough. I came across the video before I got the news. That was rough.

[Mal]

Yeah, I. I'm still on the side of. I think it's really up when people share videos. Agree like that.

[Rory]

No, but that's.

[Mal]

I do want to find some. Some beauty in it.

[Rory]

No, but that's very respectfully. No, but people gotta understand something, because that was just somebody that was at the show recording. They posted that during the show, and it just so happened that they caught that moment and the show ended there, obviously. And it was. But it was already up. They didn't know that he was gonna die. He didn't know.

[Mal]

Not the exact person that filmed it, but it obviously traveled after that once he passed.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That. That was sad.

[Mal]

No, I'm not the person that posted. It was really like, yo, what the fuck?

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah, they was at the show, didn't know what was really happening. They just happened to catch that moment. Moment on camera.

[Mal]

I mean this very, very respectfully. And I hope it comes across that way to find beauty in that tragedy. The last words of Fat Man Scoop to me, have some type of beauty to.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I agree.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

His life and his career. And I. I know his family doesn't view him as Fat Man Scoop and his legacy doesn't matter to them in that regard, but to what he contributed to all of us. I did find some beauty in his last moments. If that's what was going to happen. I Think Fat Man Scoop would, would like those to be his last words of, of how he went out again. I mean that so respectfully. I hope that didn't come across.

[Rory]

Rest in peace to Isaac Freeman iii, known to us as Fat Man Scoop, Hip hop pop royalty. A voice that you know is, is forever echoed into the culture. You can't hear some of the greatest hits without hearing Fat Man Scoops voice. Just the energy that he injected into a song, into the culture, a culture that he loved, a culture that he was a major part of, a culture that he helped to build to what it is today. You know, it was just a tragic, tragic way to pass. But like you said, Rory, in some sense, in some silver lining to try to find, you know, some beauty and tragedy, he probably went out the way that Fat Man Scoop would go out. Yeah. And just, you know, speaking to an audience of hip hop lovers of the culture, culture, you know, it's, it's, it's unfortunate the way it happened, but you know, I was taught to never question God and the way things happen and there's always a message in it. And I think that, you know, Fat Man Scoop's message was to live life, to have fun, to party, to love each other, come together under this common thing called hip hop pop. Embrace each other and support each other and just genuinely have a good time and enjoy every moment because we don't know when it's going to be our final moment. So rest in peace to Mr. Isaac Freeman III, better known as Fat Man Scoop. And pivoting to another tragic passing. Rest in peace to Rich Homie Quan.

[Mal]

This happened while we were recording. We didn't really have much, much time to even process this. I still am not fully sure how he passed. Yeah, this happened mid, mid pod, during the, the pod.

[Julian]

The early reports were allegedly a bad pill or a drug that he took. He died in his too, at his, at his house. So that's as, as of now, if we're wrong, we're wrong, you know, but as of now, that's the report.

[Mal]

Yeah, again, we, we are recording living and did not get the information. So all I have to say here is rest in peace Rich Homie Quan. Condolences. I'm not sure if he had kids or not, but condolences to his family.

[Rory]

Tragic passing, tragic story.

[Mal]

Legend in his own right. Absolutely control the era, control the melody that is used to this day.

[Damaris]

We sing lifestyle so much on this podcast.

[Mal]

Rich Homie Quan Shout out. There's a lot of his DNA in, in these new kids and how they rap. And a lot of that comes from Rich Homie Quan, so rest in peace to a legend in his own right and condolences to his family. I guess we'll find out more details as they come, but, you know, not to do a damp way to end the pod.

[Rory]

No, I mean, you know, it's. It's part of it. I mean, we. We, you know, know, it's part of it. This is part of the deal. You know, we're gonna live. It's all about how we live. And, you know, hopefully Rich. Rich Homie Quan lived the way he was supposed to. Hopefully his family is, you know, covered at this time of tragedy. Prayers to them, send positive energy to them, comforting energy to them. But it is tragic. It is tragic. Anytime we, you know, open our phones and see some. Some of the people that have given us so many dope moments and had so many fun, so many fun times, hearing their voices and their music to. To learn or to hear that they're no longer with us is always a. A sad time. So, you know, regardless of how he passed, it's, you know, it's being reported as a overdose act, probably accidental overdose, but, you know, either way, it's just a tragic story, a tragic end to a vibrant young life. So rest in peace, Rich Homie Quan. Prayers and condolences to your family. And with that being said, you know, let's just always try to remember that, you know, this experience, this journey called life is very fragile, it's very brief, and we should take, you know, as much time as we can to make sure that we enjoying it and that we're doing something that is going to leave a positive impact when we're no longer here and to leave a. A positive, you know, energy when our physical is no longer here. So.

[Mal]

Which is also crazy. Before we started recording, me, Julian and y, we're talking about Juice World and Dolph and how talented they both were. Like, that's what. That's. That's why that trip, like, even more, when we took that quick break and Julian was like, yo, dude, Rich Homie Kwan just passed. The first thing I thought was, like, we were just going through Juice Word and Dolph right before.

[Julian]

Did you know that they were cousins, Juice World and Dolph?

[Mal]

I never knew that.

[Julian]

And then obviously, Juice World, tragic overdose, Dolph is shooting. And it's like, this is just like, what an awful thing to happen to that family. And then maybe not even an hour later, this is what happens.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's tough man, but, you know, just make sure we. We taking care of ourselves, man. I mean, I know we, you know, this culture, this lifestyle sometimes can, you know, we fall into these vices and these things, man. That's just not good for us. It's not healthy for us. And, you know, it's easier said than done, but we got. We got to kind of find a way to pivot away from so much of the vices that we just find ourselves falling into. You know, whether it's drugs, alcohol, you know, whatever it is, man, we gotta. We gotta kind of find. We gotta find a better way to. To party and enjoy ourselves. So, please, if, you know, you're one of those people that are, you know, addicted to any type of, you know, anything, just be safe, be careful, get some help, talk to somebody. There's other ways to, you know, kind of cope with pain and trauma and things like that, but we need to find a way so that we don't keep waking up or opening our phones to such tragic passing at such a young age. It's just something that I think that we can try to work at and do better at as far as protecting ourselves and making sure that, you know, we can kind of live longer because it's enough for seeing young men and young women die at young ages over vices. Like, I'm tired of seeing that, that. That we need to kind of move. We need to move away from that. We need to do something else. So, again, prayers to the family and, yeah, until next time. We'll talk to you all soon. Be safe, be blessed. Enjoy life. Live life. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. Peace.

[Damaris]

New warrior now.