Episode 304 | Give Rory His Flowers

Summary

Podcast Summary: New Rory & MAL
Episode 304 | Give Rory His Flowers
Release Date: September 20, 2024

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1. Live from London: Studio, Weather, and Local Experiences

Rory and Mal kick off the episode live from London, affectionately discussing their extended stay and the new podcast studio.

• Rory [00:03]: "And we are still live from London."
• Mal [00:10]: "Podcast studio. Shout out to our guy Kai, man, for welcoming us while we're here."

They delve into the vibrant local scene, highlighting the abundance of vegan restaurants and Mal’s positive experiences exploring different eateries.

• Mal [00:30]: "All the options are beautiful, man. I'm not. I can't complain at all."

2. Festival Experience: Highlights from the Jazz Cafe Festival

The hosts recount their recent experience at the Jazz Cafe Festival in Burgess Park, praising the lineup and performances.

• Mal [02:13]: "Knowledge the Pirate... He stole the show."
• Rory [02:54]: "Seeing him perform gave me a whole new respect."

They discuss standout performances by Knowledge the Pirate, Rock Marciano, and Earl Sweatshirt, emphasizing the high-quality hip-hop atmosphere.

• Mal [03:36]: "The festival was dope, man. We had a good time."

3. Music Discussions: Knowledge the Pirate, Alchemist, and Jay Z

Rory and Mal engage in a deep dive into the artistry of Knowledge the Pirate and Alchemist, reflecting on their impact in the hip-hop scene.

• Rory [08:09]: "Alchemist might be top three greatest producers that's ever lived."
• Mal [09:14]: "Alchemist is one of those minds and brains in music and hip hop that is like, you know, special."

They highlight Alchemist's versatility and his seamless integration of samples, showcasing his creative genius.

• Rory [14:05]: "Al could rap, man."
• Mal [14:38]: "He definitely gets his off."

4. Music Industry Insights: Meta and Universal Partnership

The conversation shifts to the evolving landscape of music distribution, focusing on the new partnership between Meta and Universal.

• Rory [40:26]: "Artists are being paid for the number of accounts that use their music instead."
• Mal [43:20]: "This deal that they announced is going to change music the way it changed when DSP showed up."

They discuss how this partnership could redefine how artists earn revenue, moving away from traditional streaming models to account-based metrics.

• Rory [46:49]: "They are now going to change the formula of how music is valued."

5. Tribute to Legends: James Earl Jones, Frankie Beverly, Tito Jackson

Rory and Mal pay homage to recently departed icons, acknowledging their contributions to culture and the arts.

• Mal [54:00]: "Rest in peace to James Earl Jones, Frankie Beverly, and Tito Jackson."
• Rory [55:44]: "James Earl Jones went on a road trip with you."

They reflect on the legacy of these legends and their enduring impact on generations.

6. Movie Commentary: Field of Dreams and Main Character Syndrome

The hosts share their thoughts on classic films, using "Field of Dreams" as a focal point to discuss themes of connection and personal growth.

• Rory [55:53]: "I'm not here to shit on it, but I'm gonna shit on it. It's the definition of, like, main character syndrome."
• Mal [57:15]: "Great movie, though."

They humorously critique the movie's plot while appreciating its emotional depth and cultural significance.

7. Voicemail Segment: Dating Advice and Inside Jokes

A playful segment unfolds as callers seek relationship advice, but Rory recognizes one caller's voice, leading to humorous banter.

• Caller [64:19]: "After a while, conversation just completely stopped..."
• Rory [65:51]: "You can't be objective in this anymore. I wish Damaris was here."

Their interaction reveals inside jokes and adds a personal, light-hearted touch to the episode.

8. Closing Remarks: Reflections and Looking Forward

As the episode concludes, Rory and Mal reflect on their experiences in London, express gratitude to their listeners, and tease upcoming events.

• Mal [81:34]: "Thank you to the London podcast studio. Thank you to Kai for welcoming us while we're here."
• Rory [82:04]: "We will be back soon, but, yeah. Thank you to everybody in London."

They wrap up with anecdotes about their adventures and express excitement for future episodes and shows in cities like Toronto, Atlanta, and New York City.

• Rory [82:23]: "We will be back soon, but, yeah."

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Notable Quotes:

• Rory [00:32]: "I was like, yo, bro, there's vegan options everywhere in London. Like, I'm eating good right now."
• Mal [03:12]: "Tap in with Knowledge the Pirate man. He's his."
• Rory [08:09]: "Alchemist might be top three greatest producers that's ever lived."
• Rory [40:26]: "Artists are being paid for the number of accounts that use their music instead."

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Conclusion:

In Episode 304 of New Rory & MAL, the hosts take listeners on a vibrant journey through their London experiences, enriching discussions on music and industry shifts, heartfelt tributes to cultural legends, and playful interactions with their audience. Balancing insightful commentary with humor and personal anecdotes, Rory and Mal deliver an engaging episode that resonates with both long-time fans and newcomers alike.

Transcript

[Rory]

And we are still live from London.

[Mal]

Live in the uk.

[Rory]

Feel like we've moved here by this point.

[Mal]

We might as well move here, right?

[Rory]

This is our new studio, apparently. I think they're sick of us.

[Mal]

Podcast studio. Shout out to our guy Kai, man, for welcoming us while we're here.

[Rory]

How you feeling?

[Mal]

I'm good, man. Real good, man. Feel good. The weather's been good. Sunny outside, you know, I mean, like, feeling good.

[Rory]

You've been moving and shaking a bit.

[Mal]

Not really. I mean, just walking around a little bit. Different stores, getting your steps in restaurants.

[Rory]

You know, Lot of vegan restaurants.

[Mal]

Yeah, all the options are beautiful, man. I'm not. I can't complain at all. My homeboy hit me last night was like, yo, what you eating? I was like, yo, bro, there's vegan options everywhere in London. Like, I'm eating good right now.

[Rory]

You was with gigs at the Burberry show last night. Going crazy.

[Mal]

I wish. No, I didn't go out. I went to. Came back to the room. Well, I ate before I got back to the room and then that was it. I was in the room for the rest of the night. Trying to catch up on sleep, man. Like, it's still.

[Rory]

It's tough that time.

[Mal]

This time difference is like five hours of no joke. I thought I had it figured out the first two nights and I'm just like, Nah. Around 8, 9 o'clock, it's like, yo, I'm tired.

[Rory]

I've been on one night, then off the next. Yeah, I just keep skipping. Like, first night, got a bunch of sleep. Next night, didn't sleep at all for that. Got like 14 hours last night. Last night I got like three hours of sleep.

[Mal]

There's no catching up or sleep.

[Rory]

So, you know.

[Mal]

But it is what it is, man. We here you.

[Rory]

I got you to festival a little bit while you were out here.

[Mal]

Oh, my God.

[Rory]

It takes a different time zone in a different country to get you to festival.

[Mal]

No, we festivaled in America before.

[Rory]

Yeah, but we were getting paid.

[Mal]

That's the difference. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

You've never festival with me for free.

[Mal]

I festival for free. Yeah, my bad. You right about that. If it's a bag attached to it, I'm there.

[Rory]

We weren't at Made in America for the love.

[Mal]

Nah. Yeah, it wasn't the sport.

[Rory]

We weren't at Roots for the love.

[Mal]

Nah, nah, you right. You right about that. You're right about that. But yeah, no, we went to the Jazz Cafe Festival, which was great. At Burgess park the other day, man. Shout out to anybody to touch stage. Earl Sweatshirt Rhapsody, Alchemist, Rock Marciano. It was a dope setup, man. Dope lineup.

[Rory]

Mike, who I with? I think he's a Brooklyn rapper. I've always thought he's from Brooklyn. Mike, that with Earl. Yeah, he came out too. I really with Mike, shout out to Knowledge.

[Mal]

Knowledge the pirate that came out with. With Rock, man. If you're not in tune with Knowledge the Pirate man, if you are, you know, one of them hip hop heads that just appreciate bars and, you know that. That real hip hop feel. Tap in with Knowledge the Pirate man. He's his. He. He stole the show. I'm not gonna lie. I only wanted to go because I didn't see. Never saw rap live, Rhapsody, and I never saw rock live either. Okay. So I was like. When we heard about the festival, I was like, damn. Yeah, I definitely want to see that.

[Rory]

So I know I'm a nerd. I think I've seen both of them, like 10 times.

[Mal]

Yeah, no, I never. I've never seen them live. And then when Rock came out, obviously I was in tune with Knowledge the Pirate already. But to see him, what he did on that stage live.

[Rory]

I had never seen Knowledge live before. Obviously familiar because he's on so many rock projects, but it just showed the difference. I don't even want to do like, ageism here, but when you see somebody that's like, of the cloth and been around for a while, the performance is different. Just the way he.

[Mal]

No vocals on every track.

[Rory]

It's just different when those type of rappers show up. Like, Knowledge is nice, don't get me wrong, but seeing him perform gave me a whole new respect.

[Mal]

Yeah, he did his thing. Rock did his thing too. That his set was. Was. Was incredible. But, yeah, the festival was dope, man. We had a good time. The weather held up. It started drizzling a little bit and toward the, you know, the end of the show, and that's when we got out of there. But it was a. It was a dope, dope event. It was good to get out in London and experience a festival out here.

[Rory]

I was a little nervous in the beginning because we were to the side and, you know, we've made jokes about me and in festivals. As far as getting on my Karen. Do you know who the fuck my father is?

[Mal]

Yeah, you didn't have no lamb type shit. You're a Lambda Lambda lamb.

[Rory]

Can't put no sticker on my shirt.

[Mal]

Like, yeah, if you ain't got no laminate, you. You upset.

[Rory]

I'm not A civilian when it comes to festivals.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

The only time I'm.

[Mal]

They was treating us like we ain't. You know what I'm saying? We didn't make our bones out here.

[Rory]

You know how long I've been festivaling?

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We do this with y'all. Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

Literally, I. I should be able to park backstage.

[Mal]

That's a fact.

[Rory]

I don't even have a car, but just put a spot there for me.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

Even if I don't have a car.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So we get there, I'm like, I'm cool on the side over here.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But I get nervous sometimes with you. Of how long. Because we're similar, but different in the sense that if we're in an environment we don't particularly care to be in, we'll leave pretty fucking quickly.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But we came as a crew, so I just, you know, had that nervous, like, damn, we die together, man.

[Mal]

That's how we do it. I wasn't going to leave without you.

[Rory]

Then I looked over and I saw you light probably the biggest blunt I've ever seen you smoke. And I was like, okay.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Once here for the long haul, once.

[Mal]

I'm outside and we got an area and I could see the stage and I could hear the music.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

And I can smoke. Oh, I could stay here. I could stand here all night. I was. No problem. After that, it was. But it was cool to kind of like, you know, just be in the mix of the people, too. At the same time, a lot of people came up, kicked it with us. It was real cool.

[Rory]

Which we didn't talk about after the show. I meant to tell you in. In the Uber back. So when Rocks people asked us to come on stage in the middle of his set. When they're like, yo, come side stage. Just enjoying the show.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And when they were like, yo, come on stage, everything in me wanted to be like, bro, I'm not the on stage swag that y'all want. I'm not going to make Rock look cool.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, I don't know what to do.

[Mal]

Yeah. Because I don't know what.

[Rory]

It was like, one of those rap stages where there's like 50 guys on stage.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

It was like three guys. Yo, y'all come up. I'm like, I don't. I'm not gonna help with the aesthetic. I'm gonna look.

[Mal]

I might actually ruin this.

[Rory]

I'm gonna look uncomfortable behind Rock.

[Mal]

Just bopping my head, like, yeah.

[Rory]

I'll put my hand up.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But it's gonna look weird.

[Mal]

Yeah. That white arm in the air.

[Rory]

So the whole time I'm sitting there knowing no one's looking at us, but feeling like everyone is staring at me. Probably thinking, this is the most awkward human being ever. And why is he on stage?

[Mal]

Yeah. No, but it's how it felt. But then once you looked out in the crowd, you were home.

[Rory]

That is true.

[Mal]

Yeah, it was. It was a lot of Rory's in the crowd. That's a fact.

[Rory]

I wish, because I do have that rule. Like, I don't like to post strangers because I think that's fucked up. I'll do it on my close friends.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I took a video of young me in the front row, full head of red.

[Mal]

Oh, I got a video. Two of them. Yeah.

[Rory]

And the young Sean Dickerson was right next to him.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

Just rapping everywhere.

[Mal]

That was like a parallel universe right there.

[Rory]

100%.

[Mal]

We were looking at a parallel universe of you and Sean.

[Rory]

And I saw that young kid rapping. Every word to Rock. Marciano was like, oh, this was fire. This was me in 2002 at a Jizza show.

[Mal]

Like, absolutely.

[Rory]

There is hope for the youth.

[Mal]

Absolutely, man. It's all a cycle. All of it is just on repeat, man. It was dope to see a lot of the young white faces of hip hop in the audience.

[Rory]

And that kid looks so young and innocent. And I was like, oh, he has so much life ahead of him. I hope he doesn't get corrupted. And then maybe five to 10 minutes later, I saw him light up what looked like a Newport 100. And I said, nevermind, he's gone.

[Mal]

It's no hope. But that kid is funny.

[Rory]

Fresh face. I was like, oh, he's so nice. Then nevermind, you're a dirt bag, just like I was.

[Mal]

But it's funny because that kid may turn out to be one of, like, the dope cool A and R executives.

[Rory]

Like, never know managers.

[Mal]

Like, he might be that. Cause he. He was. He, like, he knew the words. He knew all the ad libs. He was really there for the show. It was just. It's just good to see, like younger, like kids and younger people at hip hop show. Like real hip hop show. Like if you had a Rhapsody, you front stage to see Rhapsody and Alchemist and rappers Rock Marciano. Like, if you front stage for that and you know the words, you're a hip hop head.

[Rory]

I was happy that you finally got to witness someone calling me Mall.

[Mal]

That was hilarious.

[Rory]

And then doubled down. I was like, this Mall too No, no. But he was like, yeah, no, no, I'm a huge fan. Like, you realize I just said we're both mall, right?

[Mal]

Yeah. You was like, no, my name is Jamal. Like, nice to meet you. I was like, I'm looking at the dude like, you think his name is Jamal. Like, honestly.

[Rory]

But he doubled down. Like, of course I know that. I'm a huge fan.

[Mal]

Come on, it's me. Of course I know who y'all are. I support y'all.

[Rory]

Not that I needed a reminder, but it's always fun to get a reminder that Alchemist might be top three greatest producers that's ever lived.

[Mal]

I don't think it's even a debate at this point.

[Rory]

And I mean, he was a DJ first, so I love that producers are getting, like, festival sets, but some of those producers aren't like DJs to their core, so they just play their hits. Alchemist started as a DJ first, so how he puts his records together is way better than I think most producer DJs. He like, what didn't he produce, bro?

[Mal]

He was.

[Rory]

I thought I knew his whole cat. I was like, yo, he did this. This record too.

[Mal]

Two of the. Two of the. One of the joints, the Jadakiss joints he played. I forgot he did that.

[Rory]

Still filming.

[Mal]

I forgot he did that. I forgot he did one of the locks joints he played. And it was another one when I was like, yo, Al did that. Like, his catalog might be. It might be crazier than, like, I already know. Alchemist is one of those minds and brains in music and hip hop that is like, you know, special. One of the special ones. But like, you know, him playing his set of all the joints he produced is like. It takes you through this time machine where you just like, I forgot how many joints he did.

[Rory]

And I didn't forget that he did the Keep It Thorough beat for Prodigy. But I forgot how that song rings off. Like, the moment that dropped, the whole crowd lost their mind. Like, similar to we gonna make it of how much Keep it thorough. Even in London, Peach Peach forgot he did Shook Ones. He didn't do Shook Ones.

[Mal]

He didn't.

[Rory]

That was havoc.

[Mal]

Shut the.

[Rory]

Al wasn't even around at that point. I mean, Al is the third member of Mob Deep, but nah, he wasn't around.

[Mal]

Al did that.

[Rory]

I don't think Al came around till Murder Music. Maybe.

[Mal]

Okay, what year was that?

[Rory]

99, maybe 98.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

I think the realest with Cool G Rap was. I Could Be Wrong was the first one that they did. And then after that Prodigy just adopted Alchemist and the rest was history. But no, that was.

[Mal]

I did do it. I didn't know that. I did know he did Shook once. I was thinking of. It wasn't that. Which record was that Peach where he played and. And you was like, damn, I didn't even know he did that. It wasn't. Sure it was. It was one of the early, early joints, though.

[Rory]

And that's another thing, though. And like, we were nerding out and maybe I was catching contact high. But when Shook ones came on, oh, my God, that's just certain songs that I've heard a million times that will never get old. And to think that they were children. Yeah, they were like real teenagers. They were, like 16, 17.

[Mal]

Incredible.

[Rory]

And Havoc was making up his stove in the projects and then created that masterpiece, like, insane. I. I know it sounds, like, nerdy, but that stuff still blows my mind. Like, how were you 17 and decided, let me do this?

[Mal]

And then not only that, when you.

[Rory]

How do you even think that way.

[Mal]

When you look around at the crowd of people in an entire different country that have an accent and they know.

[Rory]

It word for word came out in 1995, 1994.

[Mal]

And these are young, young cats at the. At the. At the. At the festival. Like, it's. It's just dope to watch hip hop just transcend, you know, American culture and really just touch the world and things. Cause Al is on doing a whole European run. A rock is going is on the European run. Benny was out here the day we landed. He's on a run. So it's just dope to see cats from back home moving around different parts of the world and. And hip hop being embraced.

[Rory]

And I mean, even. I'm not just saying this because we're in London, but Europe, like, really appreciates hip hop. Me and Al were talking backstage. He's like, yo, I'm old. I don't even, like, really like doing the road. But when it comes to Europe, like, I know we're gonna have so much fun because these fans give a fuck about everything that we're playing. Like, that shit is in their veins. They still give a fuck.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So it's just different. I'm glad. My first time going to a festival in London.

[Mal]

Yeah, mine too. I mean, you know that we've been there together for the last three years, so.

[Rory]

Yeah, I know you didn't like it. But the 30 second little snippet he played to meet the Grams did get a crazy fucking response. I saw your face. I know you weren't really into it, but the crowd did go a little fucking crazy when those first, like, four yeah. Chords hit.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Even me. I kind of went like, you remember when.

[Mal]

You remember when. When. When Nori. When Nori was telling the story of how no Kiss was telling the story how Nori took his dad back from a guy he thought was. Was with Kiss and he found out. Nah, he wasn't with Kiss. And he looked at him, took the DAT back. I looked at Al and took my DAT back. Once. Once Meet the Grahams came on, I was like, yo. I was like, yo, take that back.

[Rory]

What was actually dope about that, though, was he didn't play any of the lyrics. Like, he just let the beat play for like 15 seconds and everyone went nuts and then switched out of it. But yeah, that. That beat is, like, oddly surgical. It's like, creepy as fuck.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I didn't think it would go off at a festival like that. For everyone that thinks Meet the Grams is boring and all that, that shit went up. Like, we gonna make it at a festival.

[Mal]

Well, I mean, obviously, the way Al set it up, played the sample original and all that, like, that's what it was.

[Rory]

What was? He used the same sample for another record. You guys were telling me that. Yeah. I did not know Meet the Grams and Keep It Thorough. Had the same sample.

[Mal]

Yeah. Until Didn't I do somewhere? He broke that down.

[Rory]

He did Keep It Thorough and then went back into the sample. It went sample. Keep It Thorough back to the sample. Then to Meet the Grams and my nerdy hip hop brain exploded. Like, it's the same sample. Tapping people. I didn't even know. Like, yo, did you know that?

[Mal]

Yeah. That was dope, though. That was dope. I love when, like, DJs and producers, like, do that, like, play the sample, the original record, and get into it. Like, there's a lot of videos online with just Blaze doing that. A few other dudes. Like, that shit is always dope to, like, always hear. Cause it's kind of like we gotta pay homage to the original, to the sample. You got to.

[Rory]

And I think that just shows, like, the genius of the producer. Like, that's what you took from that sample. Damn, I didn't even realize you didn't just take a sample and put drums on it and then paid the fee.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

Like, I can't believe you found that part. And that's what's in the song at this point.

[Mal]

That's such a beautiful process. Like, all of these DJ producers that, like, dig in Crates and find these records and find that break that sample. Like that's such a, I mean obviously that's the foundation of hip hop, but it's just so dope to see guys like really, that really do that, that really dig in crates and shit like that.

[Rory]

And we were talking too during the set because Al did like two verses. I want to say I was like, yo, Al raps a lot better than some of our favorite big bowl of macaroni. Said action influence.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah, 100%.

[Rory]

Al could rap, man.

[Mal]

No he can't. I mean, listen, and when you around that much hip hop and you, you hear that many bars for all those years, it's only, I mean like, come on bro, you gotta pick up on some of that shit and just, just talk shit. Like, oh, he just be. He just a shit talker. Get his shit off and that's it.

[Rory]

But I could, and this is me speculating, I have no, no idea nor spoke to Hit Boy or Alchemist about this. I think Hit Boy is a great rapper, but he started as a rapper, then was a producer. He's, he's a rapper to his core. Al producer first.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I feel like Al maybe had Hit Boy go back and rewrite some verses.

[Mal]

With their project joints they did together.

[Rory]

Yeah, I think he's like, damn, I didn't know you could like really rap.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah, I'll go talking. He definitely get his off.

[Rory]

But yeah, it was fun. Other than that, it's been kind of quiet, this London trip.

[Mal]

Yeah, I mean the weather's been, has been great though. It's been sunny.

[Rory]

I know we was wilding out in the rain.

[Mal]

The last two times everybody has texted me like, yo, is it gloomy? Is it gloomy? I'm like, nah, not really. Like the sun has been out pretty much every day. Like the weather's been been really nice. I can't complain. Last time we was here it was a little rainy, a little gloomy. But you know, now this time around the sun has definitely been out.

[Rory]

Since we really haven't done anything outside of the festival, should we try to wild out tonight or while out after the show? I feel like I need one London night. I've just been a fucking.

[Mal]

But what is your, what is your while? What does your wild out look like though? Do you a dad?

[Rory]

No, that's what I'm saying.

[Mal]

What does your wild out look like?

[Rory]

Now me and Benner went and got two steaks and split them.

[Mal]

Why would you split two steaks when you could just each have your Own.

[Rory]

One, like, because there was the iron steak and then the wagyu.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah. I got two different type of steaks.

[Rory]

And then we cut it up and split. We was wilding.

[Mal]

That's wild. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's. That's two different type of steaks in.

[Rory]

One side and three sides. We got garlic mash, Mac and cheese, and the cream spinach.

[Mal]

We was Toilet. The Toilet Brothers. The splat. Y'all were the Splash brothers.

[Rory]

It hasn't hit yet. I think I might need to sit down. I don't think I can buy a lot tonight because it's gonna eventually catch up to me.

[Mal]

You and Ben are gonna be the Splash brothers tonight for sure.

[Rory]

Which is scary because the worst toilet paper on planet earth in this country.

[Mal]

Y'all asshole's gonna be fucking burning.

[Rory]

But, yeah, I don't really know how to wild out. Cause the first time we were here, we did the strip club thing, which was awful, but it was a fun experience. I still haven't done the box, but I don't know if I have the energy for that.

[Mal]

That just. Yeah, and that's a whole different type of vibe. Like, it's a. You know, we're all secure in ourselves, but that's a different. You gotta be in a different kind of. Kind of zone to just go to the box and. Cause you don't know what's gonna come on stage. You know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

I mean, I think that's the allure of the whole thing.

[Mal]

No, it is. It's definitely. It's definitely part of the whole thing. But you got to kind of be in that zone. I don't think you in that zone.

[Rory]

And there was Fashion Week stuff, but everything I got invited to, I was like, I feel like I'm gonna get there and be like, yo, I should have stayed in the hotel. Yeah, should have got another steak with Benner.

[Mal]

You should have went for a third one.

[Rory]

I was pushing it last night. I even texted you like, yo, what's up? You want to do something?

[Mal]

No, I was going to definitely try to get out. I hit gigs in Suspect. Shout out to shout out to my guy Suspect. I hit them. They was moving around a little bit, but it was like Fashion Week stuff. You know, you gotta have an invite. And then Suspect was like, nah, we mobbing. Like it. We just pulling up. I'm like, I don't know if that's the type of energy I'm on. But, like, when you get there, let me know what it's looking like. And Once it got to, like, one in the morning, I was just like, bro, I'm tired. Like, I just went to sleep. Yeah.

[Rory]

And I'd missed my window. That's why I text you. Like, it. I'm gonna be up.

[Mal]

So you text me at like, 10 o'clock.

[Rory]

And then I think I hit you again at like, one.

[Mal]

Like.

[Rory]

All right, what's up?

[Mal]

It was over at that point. I'm watching First 48. I'm chilling, man. I wasn't going nowhere.

[Rory]

No. No tings out here.

[Mal]

Nah, man. Just literally, I just been. Whatever we did together, once we leave, I may get some food. And I'm right back at the hotel, bro.

[Rory]

I know we're washed because the last two trips. Yeah, we had them around us.

[Mal]

I mean, you know, sometimes we looked.

[Rory]

Iller than we really were.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I don't understand why this pretty chick wants to hang with us either, but. And she's.

[Mal]

Yeah. Like, oh, we won. Yeah. Nah. Just been chilling, though. It's been a good time. I've had a good time, but it's definitely been a lot of nights where I'm literally just in the bed watching tv, man. I'm chilling.

[Rory]

I might try to do the Leon Bridges show tonight.

[Mal]

Shout out to Leon Bridges. Yeah, we were talking about it. He's performing at the actual. The first venue we performed at out here. Yeah.

[Rory]

Earth. One of my favorite, favorite venues I think we've ever done. Might have been.

[Mal]

I would like to catch that. But then it's a conflict because we got tickets to the. To the. To the football game tonight, which, I.

[Rory]

Mean, I think you guys want to.

[Mal]

Experience our first soccer game.

[Rory]

I'm definitely going to go to the Leon shit over the soccer game, but I think you guys should go. And I think P. Can you get as much footage of Maul at that as possible? I think y'all should do that instead of the Leon shit.

[Mal]

Soccer game. Yeah. Yeah. I'm thinking about it, man. I wanted to experience. I didn't even know that because, you know us arrogant Americans, I thought we can just buy tickets to the Tottenham Arsenal game. And my homegirl, she was like, you.

[Rory]

Gotta sacrifice some baby to get them.

[Mal]

Yeah, somebody. She was like, did somebody leave y'all passes them? Cause you can't just. I said, oh, you can't.

[Rory]

Not even on StubHub.

[Mal]

I said, yeah, you can't just, like, go online. She was like, no. She was like, you have to, like, it has to be a raffle or, like, a season. You're a season ticket holder.

[Rory]

Okay. So how did you guys end up? Do you guys have tickets?

[Mal]

Yeah. Well, for this game, it's not. This is not. This is not Premier League. Right, Peach? So this is not a Premier League game tonight.

[Rory]

This is like, who cares? I mean, it's soccer experience.

[Mal]

Yeah, I just want to experience a game in London, so I'm thinking about doing that tonight.

[Rory]

It's like going to the Rucker. Like, who's ever playing basketball? Just.

[Mal]

I just want to see it. See what it's like. Experience it.

[Rory]

Yeah, but I mean, I don't know. I'll go be a nerd and ask Leon. Are those major seven chords that you're playing? Like, I'll just do that.

[Mal]

Yeah. Get your shit off, man. Let me know how it is. Text me.

[Rory]

They gonna be in there, though? No, I'm sure I'm not gonna do nothing. But I'm a look.

[Mal]

Yeah, no, you can listen. You're a man. You can look. I mean, they're gonna definitely be there. But I would love to see Leon because he's another artist that I fuck with, but I haven't seen him live either. So.

[Rory]

Yeah, a lot kind of happened in the past two days that we've been here. We've been recording non stop, but more like evergreen stuff. Not really in the moment, but today we can get to the shits.

[Mal]

Let's do it.

[Rory]

Your man's almost got clipped again.

[Mal]

Again. Once again, they tried to take Big Don out. Big four five. They tried to try to set him up. They tried to spin the block on him, um, but this time, luckily, he wasn't.

[Rory]

Spin the block. Spin the what? 16th hole. The dogle. Spin the dog leg.

[Mal]

Spin the back nine. They try to spin the back nine on Don.

[Rory]

I promise we're going to keep this light hearted and I'm not going to get on my conspiracy shit, but why is it so easy to get around a former president with a rifle?

[Mal]

Yeah, I feel like we could do a better job at protecting Don at this point.

[Rory]

Like, I don't understand why you're not, like, looking who's in the sand trap.

[Mal]

Yeah, but he probably had, you know, he probably had his fatigue shit on laying down. You couldn't see him.

[Rory]

It's the Secret Service, man.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, I get it. I get it.

[Rory]

They found Saddam in a hole.

[Mal]

Yeah. On the other side of the world. Yeah. Now you right, But I am, I am, I am happy that he wasn't. He wasn't harmed at all, man. Because again, you know, no matter what, we. We laugh and joke about this shit. But no matter what side of politics you on, you don't want to see. You want to see anybody hurt. Hurt or tragically killed. So, of course, you know, it wasn't.

[Rory]

It didn't go there on politics whatsoever. But just to the side that someone can get to the president.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

This easily back to back.

[Mal]

It's crazy.

[Rory]

Makes me feel he didn't get there as a country, like, what the Are we doing?

[Mal]

But. Yeah, but this dude didn't. He wasn't. He didn't get that close, though.

[Rory]

Well, I mean, there's been some.

[Mal]

He was on the course. He was on the course.

[Rory]

We don't even know if he shot. That might be a Secret Service.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Shooting him. You know, I'm. He was a Trump supporter.

[Mal]

Vote.

[Rory]

Voted Republican. I don't know. I'm for my own mental health. I've stayed away from all the reports.

[Mal]

It's amazing how they find that out so fast.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Like, who he was voting for. Who this. It's like, how do y'all know all of this already about this dude?

[Rory]

I mean, apparently Elon deleted his Twitter page.

[Mal]

Well, he deleted the tweet.

[Rory]

Cause he said Elon deleted his first tweet ever. He was bugging.

[Mal]

Yeah. I believe his tweet was to the extent of. And nobody is trying to harm Biden or Kamala and something.

[Rory]

These emojis.

[Mal]

Yeah. Like, you know, kind of like the that's interesting face. So he obviously received backlash from that. As you can. You know, we can. We know that that's a little. It can be taken. Like. So what are you trying to say? Like, somebody should.

[Rory]

Someone should.

[Mal]

Should try to kill that.

[Rory]

Elon was saying.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's not what he.

[Rory]

That's how.

[Mal]

But I understand in this climate how people took that.

[Rory]

You say you can't tweet. Hey, how come no one's also trying to kill these people?

[Mal]

Right. This is a little. It's a little weird. But he deleted that. But I didn't know he deleted his whole.

[Rory]

Deleting your own thoughts off your own platform is pretty funny to me.

[Mal]

Yeah. Because I own this shit. Like, I'll say what the fuck I want to say. And that's why he brought it, because he said he wanted to. That was like freedom of speech. He wanted people to be able to just say. Say how, you know, whatever they felt, their thoughts and things like that. So if that's the point of you purchasing such a huge platform and spending the money you spent, why now would you one delete that? Tweet and delete your account if you.

[Rory]

Had to go out. Golf course might be pretty high for me. Like, if you're gonna get a headshot.

[Mal]

Nah, on a golf course.

[Rory]

I mean, when have you. We've been golfing. It's peaceful.

[Mal]

Yeah, but like.

[Rory]

Like I feel like the hectic shit. Like the way like RFK went out, like through a kitchen. It's crazy. Too hectic. That's not peaceful for me to get murdered.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, I would love to just be on the back now. You know what? Can't wait to get the clubhouse, have a beer, relax.

[Mal]

Somebody just ended up on. That's where you want to go out. Yeah, not me.

[Rory]

I can't.

[Mal]

I can't back you on that one, fam. Not on the golf course. I'm not trying to get killed on a damn golf course.

[Rory]

But I'd like to be like, setting up the shot, getting smoked with your follow through. I know. I do like flips and that would be embarrassing. Yeah, like, you don't want that image. Like, damn, he didn't even. Couldn't even hold it down.

[Mal]

Yeah, not on the fucking golf course. But, you know, thankfully Big Four Five is safe and he's, you know.

[Rory]

Okay, Big Four Five.

[Mal]

That's Big Four Five. Big Don, man, Shout out to Donald Trump.

[Rory]

Is he considered 47 if he wins?

[Mal]

We spoke about that. I don't know. That's. I mean, I think. I think you. Because he would be technically the 47th president, but really the 46th when you count it. Because this would be his second term.

[Rory]

Talk about a hat collab. Yeah, 47. What's the name of that? Brian 47?

[Mal]

Yeah. That's fire.

[Rory]

Damn. I know who they're voting for.

[Mal]

It's already written.

[Rory]

Um, and let's just run through some of the day to day news that we missed. I kind of want my flowers.

[Mal]

Oh, man, I hate when you do this shit. All right. What now? I got a bouquet in other rooms. What's up, man?

[Rory]

This is going to be my first ask. There's a couple things on here that I want my flowers for, but we'll start here.

[Mal]

All right?

[Rory]

If you remember, about a month ago, you thought I was joking when I thought, oh, you couldn't maybe broker the deal between Roc a fella and Drake. He has the money. He cares. Maybe Drake should do it. And you laughed and laughed and laughed. Nah, nah, nah. And then Dane last night got on whatever platform that was and said Drake DM'd him inquiring about purchasing one third of reasonable Doubt and Rockefeller, Inc. So I was even trying to set it up for you. Like, yo, you could take your 1% or, like, your broker fee off that, and we're looking at, like, 10 million. So do you want to split that 1% with me? Or, like, how do you want to do it?

[Mal]

Well, he. I don't know to what extent Drake reached out to Dame about that. I don't know how far they got in talks or how serious it was. But that's on brand for Drake, though. You don't think so? I mean, yeah, yeah, he got all of Pharrell's jewelry, Nego's jewelry.

[Rory]

I don't like what he.

[Mal]

He did with Tupac's ring, Tupac's rhyme book.

[Rory]

But are you collect. Are you. Are you collecting it as a lover of the sport or are you collecting it as a petty way to say, y'all, I'm finally him.

[Mal]

Well, he. He. He has. He said in his rhymes, he used to want to sign a Rockefeller, and then he became. And then he became Jay. He said that before. He said that before. So, yeah, that. That. That wasn't too surprising to me that he had inquired about purchasing, purchasing those shares.

[Rory]

Well, we. Well, we don't know, but we assume that he bought Pharrell's jewelry out of spite and pettiness. I don't. Even though we know him to be a Neptune's fan at one point. Yeah, I don't think he bought that the way he bought Push his mic off ebay. Didn't he say he was gonna melt that shit down?

[Mal]

Yeah, he did say that.

[Rory]

Come on, man. So what is he gonna do, a reasonable doubt?

[Mal]

Melt it down? He melt the masters.

[Rory]

Okay, so in the event that Drake wins this auction.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Do you think your brother and hov, like, are they gonna split it up? Does Drake get Can I live? Is he gonna finally clear that dead President's Freestyle? Was it Chicago Freestyle?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Put it on dsps.

[Mal]

I don't. I don't know. I like. I haven't really. Obviously. I read the headlines and I saw the clip of Dame talking about it, but I don't know. I don't know if that move would have been for, you know, kind of like a chess move or if it literally would have been just Drake wanting to own a piece of art and history that, you know, he probably helped him fall in love with hip hop. And again, he was a fan first, you know, wanted to always sign to Rockefeller.

[Rory]

I don't think he's a fan anymore.

[Mal]

Why not?

[Rory]

I think Drake, like me growing up, was very much a rap nerd and loved this shit. But I think he has been through the ringer and met his heroes and I don't think he reveres them the way he did once because he has a different view than probably any other human being in the rap world. No, I don't, I don't think he.

[Mal]

Still looks at Jay as a as like, you know, I think, I think reason why he does what he does.

[Rory]

I think he views him completely as a peer now.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

But I don't mean that like really in a good way. I think he doesn't have the reverence he once did because I think he's seen the behind the scenes stuff and probably has a weird view. So I think if he were to buy Roc a fella, it wouldn't be from the yo. I was a fan my whole life. I looked up to these guys. I cannot believe I have the money to now purchase this. Like I said, I'm your peer and I'm trying to now surpass you. And this is my way of trying to little homie you.

[Mal]

Well, I don't, I don't think that. I don't think trying to little homie you. I don't think that. But I think that, you know, it is obviously Drake is who he is and is in a place where he can even entertain the thought of purchasing something.

[Rory]

Just like on IG just bet 10 million on stake.

[Mal]

Yeah. So I mean we, we know that obviously the capital is there and things like that. But I don't, you know, again, I understand especially now more than ever, Drake is probably in a space where he's looking at, you know, a lot of guys a little kind of sideways because of what he just, well, what he is still going, going through as far as with other artists and in the, in the, on the music side of things. But I don't think that this in particular is, it's too much of that attached to it. I think this was literally him just wanting to own a piece of history and something that inspired him, but at the same time kind of like a wink too. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, but not, but not with, not with malicious intent though. I don't think it's nothing malicious there little underlying. I think it's just a little, it's like a wink, it's like a, it's like a head nod, like a little. You know what I mean? But I don't think it's any malicious energy behind that. I would be very Surprised if that was a part of it.

[Rory]

And I know ho's looking at it like, all right, you think that's a one up if you get that. But I would have to talk to Lucian about buying any of your shit that's not up for sale. Cause you don't own it. So I can see that perspective from HOV if it happens. But the way Drake talked on 8am in Charlotte when he was really saying, yo, I've been just gathering information about all of you in the rap world in case anyone wants to go there with me, is kind of what he said.

[Mal]

But that's what you're supposed to do.

[Rory]

We have talked many times. We think every rapper ever has in their notes folder verses about rappers they're friends with now. But just, just in case, for sure. I think this is one of those moves. And I'm curious what type of greasy talk Drake comes with if he ends up purchasing one third of Reasonable Doubt.

[Mal]

We had this talk before about somebody. But see, the thing is when you talk about somebody like, that's gonna be a crazy verse. Yeah, but when you.

[Rory]

That's gonna be a crazy verse.

[Mal]

Yeah, but you can't talk. See, this is why Jay is so different. Because you can't out. You can't out Slick Talk Jay. You can't greasy talk Jay. You can't do that. If it's anybody that could even probably remotely even come close, it would be Drake. But even Drake, as great as he is and as much as he's accomplished, you know, Jay is on a. You know, when you talk about just the ability to talk, Slick Jay's made a career off of just slick talking. And, you know, now putting himself in a space business wise where, you know, a lot of these other dudes are not on that level as far as business goes. But, you know, I would love to see it for the sport. But again, I don't think it's. I don't think it's anybody that could. You can't out Slick Talk J. We talking about Jay Z. You can't.

[Rory]

You know, Drake is starting that verse out the gate. I tried to be reasonable, but you doubted like, you know, it's coming out the gate that. That Drake was started right at home. I tried to be reasonable, but you doubt it?

[Mal]

Nah, nah. That would be fun to watch for sport. But again, man, that's you talking about, you know, Jay is on a. He's on a different level as far as that Slick Talk shit go. You can't. That's not how that's not how you go at Jay. You can't talk greasy to Jay Z.

[Rory]

This again, all hypothetical. We don't even know. This is all aim saying he Drake just DM'd him. If it was like a real thing, Dame would have been like, oh, Drake's lawyers reached out. Like, it would be a whole different thing. But in that hypothetical, let's say Drake, rightfully so starts talking greasy because him and Hov have had back and forths for 12 years at this point. Does Jay entertain any shots that come from Drake if he buys reasonable dough?

[Mal]

Do I. As far as on wax? Yeah. I don't know. I think Jay is just in a. Nah, I don't think he's in that. In that, you know, rapper. I haven't seen Jay wear a lot of jewelry in a few years. That's how, when you know Jay is back, like, in rapper mode, he starts throwing on obnoxious jewelry shit that no other rapper can really. You know what I'm saying? It's like.

[Rory]

And it's also like 95% of pieces that we don't even understand.

[Mal]

Yeah. It's like he starts doing these things where you're like, oh, he back in the booth. But I don't think that if Drake was to throw a shot at. It's funny even talking about shit like that. But if he was to throw that type of shot, it would take a different type of. I don't think it would be the type of shot you think. I think Jay would have to hear something that will perk his ear up, but I don't think it'll be as blatant as you may think. It may be something to where only Jay would catch it. And that. That may move him now.

[Rory]

I think the. The world has a perception that HOV ignores things.

[Mal]

I.

[Rory]

He pretty much replies to literally everything when it's time to rap.

[Mal]

No, everything. You know how much you don't.

[Rory]

If you don't think. If you don't think we're going to get a verse that has to do with the Wayne situation with the super bowl, you're bugging if.

[Mal]

No, he'll have a line addressing it. Like, y'all how? Like, you know, how could y'all say, I don't. I helped him with his taxes. Like, he'll remind you. Like. Like, come on, who y'all talking to? Like, I didn't help people that y'all don't need. Y'all forget convenient amnesia.

[Rory]

Like, 10 people on Twitter had talked about Meek and Hov maybe having an Issue. And he replied to that. On God's plan. Yeah, not God's plan. Hope God did.

[Mal]

Yeah, but he. His response was more so, like, yeah.

[Rory]

We could never have freedom from a whole bit.

[Mal]

Yeah, like, how we. I can't be.

[Rory]

But I'm saying Jay does not let.

[Mal]

But do you understand that response, though? That response is more so like, yo, cut it out, man. I can't. I wouldn't beef with the. Like, why would I beef with Meek? Like, what do you. I helped him. I'm not going. You know what I'm saying? Like, I got, like. I'm talking about in real. Not. Not on, like, business shit. I helped him. In a real life situation, I helped him.

[Rory]

Yeah, but that's not what Twitter was. We're not saying you didn't do that. We just saying we think y'all have tension.

[Mal]

And he. And he quickly showed y'all how stupid that sounds. I can't have tension with somebody that I helped get out of prison. That don't even make sense to me. That goes, if I got tension with somebody, you think I'm gonna help them get out of prison?

[Rory]

To me, that kind of goes back to the Rowdy Bobby question that happened on no Jumper, when I thought Rowdy handled that really well and didn't give in to the gossipy bullshit. But it appears like there may be some tension. And he didn't answer the question. Just said, that's my brother for life. That's kind of what I think HOV did with the Meek situation.

[Mal]

Yeah, but let.

[Rory]

You could still beef, but.

[Mal]

Nah, but it's not beef.

[Rory]

It's like, it's a deflection.

[Mal]

It wasn't even a deflection. It's a correction is what it is. See, the Internet is gonna say shit and try to turn push shit. It's like, stop. I understand. That's the thing to do. Rappers beefing, going at each other. Let me let y'all know where my relationship is with Meek. I helped him get out of prison. I'm not. I could never beef with somebody that I helped get out of prison. And we're on two totally different levels. Like, what does Jay Z gain from beefing with Meek Mill? What is that?

[Rory]

We're not beefing, like, publicly, but they could have disagreements behind the scenes.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah. Disagreements happen with best friends.

[Rory]

You know, clearly, there was something when Meek left Roc Nation. Like, that's what started this entire.

[Mal]

I don't even think it was nothing. I think. I think Jay was more so on the side. Like, yo, if that's what you want to do, yo. Yeah, the tension would have been him not wanting Meek to get out of the deal and not wanting to release it. Then it's like, yo, why you not letting Meek go and do what he want to do? Business wise? Letting him do his own thing, that's where the weird shit comes in. But if it's like, yo, I kind of want to get off Roc Nation and go do my own thing. And Jay's like, I bet. No doubt. Let me know if there's anything I can help you with. That's letting you know that somebody is not in it for that type of shit.

[Rory]

But I guess to my original point, that HOV replies to literally everything down to on written testimony. He gave us a whole verse about his backlash with the NFL Super Bowl. We're done with kneeling. He. He even told us that he has more money than an entire NFL bench. Why would I need to sell out? I love that verse. Yeah, but I'm saying he replies to everything. When it comes to raps, if you think Drake buying One Third and Drake also replies, they're very similar in that regard.

[Mal]

I just don't.

[Rory]

Whether it be subtle.

[Mal]

He replies to everything. Everything is what I have a problem with. I don't think he replies because there's a lot of shit that people say about Jay Z every day that he would never entertain. But there are certain things where he'll let you know. Yeah, I heard when y'all were saying that y'all had that wrong. This is what that situation is.

[Rory]

Everything is love. He even replied to the Twitter rumors of him having a kid. You wasn't supposed to take the dad shit literally. Like, he really replies to everything that we say on the Internet.

[Mal]

I don't think everything. I think when you say everything, I don't think you know how much shit they talk about Jay Z on the Internet.

[Rory]

The things that get a little bit of steam.

[Mal]

Yeah. But he'll let you know he sees. Like, he probably sees it all. He's not gonna respond to it all, but he'll let you know by responding to certain things. Like, yeah, I saw that. I caught that. But that's not what that was. So, again, I don't think that, you know, when you say Jay Z beefing or responding, he's not gonna respond to any and everything. It's only certain things, like I said, that will kind of get him to move and want to create music around it. Like, it's not everything, though.

[Rory]

And we can get off this topic. But I Will ask the last question in this hypothetical. Do you think the rapper brain of Drake could even purchase that and not say anything on a song?

[Mal]

No, that's why you purchase it. You gotta get. You gotta.

[Rory]

Just for rap.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Just do it for content at this point.

[Mal]

Yeah. Fuck, yeah. You gotta get that off. Are you kidding me? You purchase that, you gotta rap about it. You gotta talk shit about that. Without a doubt.

[Rory]

So do we. I mean, between your affiliation with your brother and Drake, like, are we invited to the first Reasonable Doubt meeting? Be a fly on the wall.

[Mal]

It ain't gonna be no meeting about that shit. I think. I think Drake.

[Rory]

I could take notes. Like, I could be a stenographer or something.

[Mal]

Yeah, you'd probably be able to do that. Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, I'll just take notes. So you might send the meeting.

[Mal]

Actually, that's not what he said. This is what he said. I got it right here, actually.

[Rory]

I'll take meeting notes.

[Mal]

I think that he definitely did reach out to Dame and inquire, but I don't think it went much further than just a conversation. I don't think it would be to the lawyers.

[Rory]

Dame's not the one that makes that decision anyway, so.

[Mal]

And I think that's what. Once Drake realized that, he's like, oh, I gotta go through all of these. Ah, I don't. I don't wanna.

[Rory]

No, Drake, we know Drake is very smart. He knew Dame couldn't sell that to him. He did that purposely. But he knew Dame was gonna get on a platform and be like, yo, Drake, DM me about this shit.

[Mal]

Well, that too. Definitely that. But I think more so, if he was really interested, he did inquire just to kind of get more information on, like, really what's going on with it from Dame. Like, yo, so what's the. Like, tell me more about, like, this situation, like, what's happening? And I think once he found out that, yeah, Jay gets it all back in seven years, he probably was like, it's not really. Yeah, you know, I mean, it's not. Probably not worth it.

[Rory]

All right. That's my first set of flowers. Pj. Did I get any flowers or.

[Mal]

No, I'll give you flowers, though, because you definitely. You definitely.

[Rory]

I'll give you a dandelion.

[Mal]

You get it. You get a rose. You get a rose for that, Not a whole bouquet.

[Rory]

Okay. My next. Next segment of me wanting my flowers has to do with Universal and Meta doing a deal. And I don't know if I need flowers in this, but I've been very curious since the beginning of this Drake and Kendrick beef as to why he's.

[Mal]

Putting all this music out.

[Rory]

Why are both of them leaking this initially on Instagram? And I know a lot of people were saying, like, oh, because the samples and, like, it's about hip hop. It's about the beef. Like, it's not on DSPs because this is pure art now. Yeah, they're just going to go on Instagram, like, oh, I don't know if Instagram's the purest art.

[Mal]

Yeah, definitely.

[Rory]

They should have pressed it on a CD with a Sharpie at that point.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But I was always curious why they did that. I was like, there has to be some type of reason reasoning with this at all. And then we even had debates of, okay, there's still affiliation with Universal and maybe they wanted Kendrick to release defaming things about their biggest artist not on dsps. Like, maybe that's what it had to do with. Then a hundred gigs comes out and we have the debate of, like, why is Drake posting this stuff on this website? Plus, only putting these records out on Instagram still feels very weird. And were we here or last episode, when I was saying, yo, if he cared about these records, there'd be a proper rollout. That's where I was wrong in regards to everything now making sense.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Meta and Instagram. I'm sorry, Meta is Instagram. Meta and Universal have some form of a partnership, and this is coming from producer Damien Young, who's been going viral lately. As far as breaking down, like, royalties, he's. He's. I really do like his page. He does explain things for, like, a dumb novice like myself to really understand that type of stuff. So he, last night put this out. Instead of being paid for streams, artists are being paid for the number of accounts that use their music instead. To put it simply, instead of artists being paid for activity generated by their music, such as comments like shares, reposts, they are instead being paid by the number of accounts who choose to use their song instead, which we had some knowledge of this with TikTok when people were using sounds and like, that was sort of out there. But now that Universal and Meta have this partnership, I think it goes to a different level. So, yeah, again, we know that this has been going on with TikTok as far as using sounds and people being paid out for that. What Damien Young is really asking with this new partnership with Meta and Universal is how is that formula going to change now? And clearly artists like Kendrick and Drake are ahead of the curve and have the answers to that, but we don't know what that payout looks like whatsoever. I think this deal that they announced is going to change music the way it changed when DSP showed up. We constantly are asking like, all right, DSPs have. Has to be the final front. Like, where could it go from here?

[Mal]

Right?

[Rory]

With Meta now it's going to have to create an entirely new formula that we have no idea how it's even going to benefit any artist or creator. But clearly the biggest ones are already doing it before any of this announcement. So remember we were talking, I was like, there's no way Universal is cool with Drake putting all this footage up like, that. They own that. This, that there has to be a reason why they're okay with the moves Drake has been making because they still own his shit, right? For the most part. I know, licensing deal, whatever. But yeah, there's not much to really discuss with this announcement. I just think we should keep our eyes on it because everything's about to change.

[Mal]

But I think we, we kind of. Because when, when, when he's. When Drake did the Honey gigs thing and one of your first reactions to it was, oh, Drake had to remind everybody, like, the catalog, the work, things he's done. But now, as we can see, it's a different thing coming now with this Meta thing.

[Rory]

And remember when the whole catastrophe of Universal. Universal artists can't be on TikTok anymore. They're not right? Giving in.

[Mal]

All of that shit is tied in now.

[Rory]

Meta does deal with Universal. It's. Everyone's playing with house money and we're the only ones that'll be fucked, like every time we come in here and like, yo, finally they're holding out. Nope. No, this was the play the whole time.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And Drake and Kendrick are clearly ahead of the curve of what's going on.

[Mal]

Oh, but you know that they're already in. In the know and in the business of all of these things before we find out about it. They know what's going to happen. They know the shifts in the MOV that are being made. So, you know, now what does, what does this do, though, as far as moving forward when artists make moves like that? Like now we looking at every move like, okay, what is this tied to? What is that tied to? Because everything has to make sense for the artist at the end of the day.

[Rory]

And this isn't a defend Drake situation at all with everyone's like, yo, it's just not even charting anymore. It's not on Billboard. Like, does that matter now? Are we Seeing the shift where that how you release music matters more to what you do with Meta than it would ever matter with charts.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Or playlists or DSPs for that matter.

[Mal]

Like, I think ego wise, it probably still matters. Ego. We talking about ego? Just, just, just personal ego that might be.

[Rory]

But if you have information as Drake of where things are going to shift, I don't think you have an ego at all. Because you know what's about to happen. You probably looking at all of us laughing. Oh.

[Mal]

At the ignorance.

[Rory]

Like, even we don't have to make it a Drake thing with Kendrick putting out Kill the Party or whatever the title will be, which we don't even know the title doesn't even matter because it doesn't even fucking matter. I was like, that Kendrick song came and went. Did it? Because it's all over. It's all over. Meta.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

It's not on dsps. It's not on any charts. It's not being played. But it's being played where it matters.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

If this new formula exists and it's I guess the fight back at TikTok, like, all right, we'll find a partner that will, that will fuck with us.

[Mal]

Yeah. And that'll make it valuable for both of us.

[Rory]

Our catalog will matter now.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And we, we are going to start counting things by the accounts that share rather than the streams because they've all fucked us up and created the streaming formula. We, we joked for a decade, what is a stream?

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

How do you even dictate what a stream is, what it costs? Like, you created that formula in your head one day and now we all have to march by those standards.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

You value my music at this because you say so. This is up. I think they're about to do the exact same thing at Meta. They're going to change the formula of how music is valued. Oh, it's valued now by just what accounts are sharing it, not by what stream it gets, not by the amount of seconds it's played on DSPs. They are now can create a completely different formula on the fly.

[Mal]

So a deeper thought on that. How does that affect the formula of creating music and writing music?

[Rory]

Who the fuck knows?

[Mal]

See, that's the part I'm thinking about. Like, how does that affect the creative process of.

[Rory]

Well, that's what Damian Young was saying at the end of this video that went viral last night of like, they've announced it, but they haven't given us any information on what a payout even looks like at this point, which was streaming early Too. Like everyone was wondering, all right, cool. I like what Spotify is doing. Oh, I heard Apple is about to do the same thing. This is the new wave. How am I being paid that? We're still trying to figure that out.

[Mal]

Right?

[Rory]

This is going to be a whole nother monster. How you even dictate what all right, accounts did it, but the amount of AI and bot shit that you could do, like, how do you even dictate what happens?

[Mal]

And there's already a producer that used AI to create a band and then used bots to listen to the.

[Rory]

To make 10 million and made 10 million. And you think they're gonna let that shit slide out?

[Mal]

See, we gotta find a scammer that knows how to do that. I don't want no clothes, no jewelry. You niggas better start creating bands.

[Rory]

That's the pieces that hit for me.

[Mal]

Yeah, create a fucking band and let's run these fucking numbers up and get it.

[Rory]

The best I ever did was scan Best Buy gift cards.

[Mal]

Yeah, like, fuck those days.

[Rory]

I wish I could make a paycheck.

[Mal]

We don't want flat screens. Don't call with no more flat screen TVs. Have five bands waiting. Not $5,000. Five guitars and bases and the lead sing. I have all of that fake waiting. That's the fake we want.

[Rory]

And it's just like, I don't know, I'm pessimistic. So this type of depresses me, you know, we.

[Mal]

I told you because you, you, you're art.

[Rory]

You're not even like, you create music. It's going to affect everything across the board. Because, you know, even with the podcast world, where as far as ads and CPMs go towards downloads, we clearly see that streams do more than downloads. And that's like an ancient thought. So we are in the streaming world whether we like it or not. This affects us the same way. Yeah, I don't know how they fucked us to begin with when it came to DSPs, because podcasts keep people on DSPs longer than thriller could. The retention rate is incredible with podcasts, but we are paid out at the same rate, which is fucked up. If I keep someone on your platform this long, I should not be paid the same as someone that doesn't.

[Mal]

How does that. How do you think that that would affect the podcasting industry, if at all?

[Rory]

I don't know yet. That's what I'm saying. This is kind of nuts of. Of what they're doing because it's sounds now like that's even how TikTok does it. It's a actual song that you cut down is just called a sound. And I'm not trying to get too deep, but, like, that's fucking nuts. It's not songs like Scary. This is a sound that you can put behind your TikTok video. And now that has a value that is counted the same way a single once was. Yeah, this was used and it was cost this much. This is what you get back. I don't know what the fuck. What's a sound anymore?

[Mal]

Yeah, man, they're changing. They're changing the meaning and definition of words right. Right in front of us and we gotta just, like, go with it.

[Rory]

I'm scared.

[Mal]

I mean, I'm not. I'm not. I wouldn't say scared. I'm interested. And I want to see, you know, how it affects change and things like that. But this is part of technology. This is part of advancing, you know, as far as, you know, the way we listen to music, the way we create music, the way we, you know, share music with each other. This is all part of this whole new thing that we have.

[Rory]

And repeating myself again. But it has to do with what we're talking about. When I was at Sony and Spotify went public, emailed, the whole company can't buy shares. That would be considered insider trading because we own 25% of Spotify, which is crazy. So if I'm an artist at Sony, you're dictating what I'm paid out. You're supposed to be my representation. You should be fighting the DSPs to make sure I'm paid the right amount of money. No, you're sitting with them and setting the price for what you think I'm worth.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

And I think Meta and Universal is doing the exact same thing now. The same way the majors did with DSPs. All right, yeah. We'll just buy in to your company and we can all set the price ourselves. We can make sure that a stream to an artist is only worth.00001.

[Mal]

Mm.

[Rory]

But to us, we're getting $12.99 a month from every subscriber.

[Mal]

I would love that. I gotta have a conversation with Hop about this. Like he. I'm sure he done ready.

[Rory]

I'm probably sounding like a bunch of nonsense right now, but that video blew my mind last night. Of the Meta and Universal connection.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Not to say it was like, holy shit. It makes sense.

[Mal]

Yeah, it makes sense.

[Rory]

They are about to set the market price again.

[Mal]

The market is gonna change for sure.

[Rory]

And we're Just gonna be sitting here.

[Mal]

Like, hey, but do you think it changes for the better?

[Rory]

No.

[Mal]

You think artists are still gonna get fucked at the end of the day?

[Rory]

Yes. Cause clearly, which we've talked about, that the biggest leverage that majors have is catalog. It's not new artists. Catalog is everything. Especially. That was the whole TikTok beef. Like Universal saying, we're not giving you the catalog list.

[Mal]

So this ties into why people were dumping their catalogs a couple years ago. 100 okay.

[Rory]

Hell, yeah. Just talking with this odd about selling this EO shit.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

5 more years and we selling this.

[Mal]

A lot of that makes sense now.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Because I couldn't understand it at first.

[Rory]

I was like, it's being used for the tech companies and content sounds. It's being used as sound. Sound, sound, sound. Swizz tried to tell us. I thought he was just saying weird shit. I thought Swizz was just high.

[Mal]

It's still. No, it's still weird.

[Rory]

Zone. Zone. Zone. The zone that we own.

[Mal]

Oh, man.

[Rory]

Well, we'll see what happens. Again, I'm not pretending like I am an expert in any of this. I'm just as confused as everyone else, just as scared as every other creator that the person that's supposed to pay us out can set the price. I mean, I think in any other genre or industry, that would be illegal, but what the fuck do I know? Believe, like, it's a monopoly, almost by definition, 100%.

[Mal]

That's not even a debate anymore.

[Rory]

It's a monopoly in a cul de sac. And we're just trying to pay rent.

[Mal]

Just trying to get a piece of it. That's fucking crazy. Before we go any further, though, we've lost some legends.

[Rory]

We did.

[Mal]

We lost some great people in our culture. Rest in peace to the great James Earl Jones. Somebody that has been a figure on our screens, televisions, radios, homes for years lost him last week. So rest in peace and condolences to James Earl Jones. We lost Frankie Beverly. Rest in peace to Frankie Beverly. Somebody you talk about Frankie Beverly and Mays, who's been the soundtracks to some of our greatest memories and fondest moments with our friends and families throughout the years. You can't go to any celebration, cookout, ceremony, anything, without hearing Frankie Beverly at some point. So rest in peace to the. To the legend Frankie Beverly. And also rest in peace to Tito Jackson.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mal]

From the Royal Jackson. Like to call him the Royal Jackson family. We lost Tito Jackson a couple days ago. So prayers, condolences, and rest in peace to all of the legends that We've lost and. Yeah, man, it's just, you know, it's always tough when you start seeing people that. Such a. Like, people that you've heard or seen for years and, you know, in music and film and things like that have given us some great moments and some legendary. Legendary art that will remain forever. So rest in peace and prayers and condolences to the legends and the icons, Mr. James Earl Jones, Mr. Frankie Beverly and Mr. Tito Jackson.

[Rory]

What's your favorite James Earl Jones movie?

[Mal]

My favorite James Earl Jones gotta be coming to America. King Joffrey. Jofa. Yeah, gotta be King Joffrey, Joe.

[Rory]

I mean, you know, I'm white, so Field of Dreams is pretty high up there for me.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah. Field of Dreams, that's a legendary film. I loved him in the sandlot. Yeah, the Sandlot. One of my favorite movies. Loved him in that. But, yeah, I think Coming to America is probably the one that we all go to when we think about James Earl Jones for sure. But he's been, you know, you start really looking into the history and the career and legacy of James Earl Jones. He's done. He's done it all. He's done everything.

[Rory]

How much rooms do you think Phil Robinson was on when he wrote Field of Dreams?

[Mal]

He was something.

[Rory]

That's a sick movie when you start getting into that plot.

[Mal]

That's a great movie, though.

[Rory]

Let's talk about main character syndrome.

[Mal]

Kevin Costner's in that, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that was. That was a movie I think we had to. That was one of the movies I think we had to watch in school.

[Rory]

Really?

[Mal]

Yeah, I think that was one of those movies they used to roll the TV out. I'm that old. Roll the TV out.

[Rory]

I'm that old, too. But I don't think we watched Field of Dreams.

[Mal]

Yeah, I think we definitely watched Field of Dreams in school. Definitely.

[Rory]

And I'm not. I love that movie. Classic. I'm not here to shit on it, but I'm gonna shit on it. It's the definition of, like, main character syndrome. Whatever the kids say now. Like, all this happened just so you could reconnect with your pops.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Everyone's ghost came back.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

James Earl Jones went on a road trip with you. This is all just so you could say to your dad, do you think I'm good at baseball?

[Mal]

Yeah. You can't see that.

[Rory]

That was. That ending was so fucking. I was like, wait, this was what it was about?

[Mal]

Yeah. The connection.

[Rory]

Nah, that was a shroom trip.

[Mal]

It definitely feels like a shroom now that you get older, you know, like, what different drugs do.

[Rory]

No one's that important. That all of that was gonna happen just so he could say what's up to his pops.

[Mal]

Great movie, though.

[Rory]

And. And then his selfish ass. I can't go in the cornfield. I can't come. I built this, bro. Talk to your dad. This is what this was about. We're gonna take James Earl Jones and the rest of the people in the cornfield. You're not coming. Yeah, go talk to your dad.

[Mal]

You're not coming with us. Yeah. Great movie, though.

[Rory]

Love that movie.

[Mal]

Classic.

[Rory]

I'm a little scared to talk about this topic because I don't fully know what's going on, but. Why is everyone mad at Tyla?

[Mal]

So I believe she received a vma and I think. Cause it was the way she was. I can't remember, but somebody posted a video and was like, she was trying.

[Rory]

To have Chloe Bailey hold her.

[Mal]

And then Lil Nas X have Nas X a holder award for her, which is because it was heavy.

[Rory]

That happens, though. Like, there's been plenty of award shows where.

[Mal]

But they.

[Rory]

Not until they presenting.

[Mal]

They'll be like, yeah, but when your person receives the award, you only see the person. You don't see who's off to the side of them. So when they showed the other angle and how she was trying to hand the. The award to Lil Nas X to hold it for her, I guess that that kind of like, silenced all of the things that people were saying about it. I don't even know what that was.

[Rory]

What's. All right, let's say she was like, yo, Lil Nas, hold my shit. Okay, now what? Why is everyone upset?

[Mal]

I don't. I don't know. And we could. We could have this all wrong. But I don't even know what they.

[Rory]

Were mad at from what I see. And I kind of wish you would tell this story instead of me. Pardon my white face. I think it's rooted in the stereotype that Africans look down on African Americans.

[Mal]

Oh, boy. Is that. Is that.

[Rory]

I mean, that's. Let's call it space. So that's been a thing for a very long time.

[Mal]

Talked about it. But I also. I'm looked down upon on niggas. That's on my block that grew up with me. So now what?

[Rory]

But you're not Tyler.

[Mal]

Yeah, no, I'm not. I'm definitely not Tyler. But I'm just saying people look down on you no matter where they're from. Like, why do we gotta try to make it that Yes. I know what that whole conversation is. And, you know, Africans feel like they're better than African Americans and things like that, and they look down on us. And people from down the block from me that grew up, they look down on me. So it's like, what do we. What are we talking about here?

[Rory]

And maybe I missed more of the story. I just don't. I know I've known that stereotype for a long time. I've been told that stereotype. I just didn't. I just didn't see it. When she asked Lil Nas X to hold.

[Mal]

Bro, the trophy is heavy. It's a man on stage. Can you hold this for me while I, you know, give my acceptance speech? What are we talking about here?

[Rory]

Caught pee. Just laugh.

[Mal]

Yeah, like, I could. I mean, but Peej, what you laughing at?

[Rory]

You know what he was laughing at.

[Mal]

But, yeah, I don't. This thing of people trying to paint this Tyler as just this, you know, I don't know how they trying to paint her. Just give her this weird kind of like, you know, thing that she looks down or she thinks she's better than, or she's only successful because she's pretty. And it's that. It's just. We were just running out of things to talk about or something. What's happening?

[Rory]

I think most artists just look down on this period. Nikki has never made me feel good about myself.

[Mal]

Well, we got that on tape. We know exactly how she made you feel about yourself. But, yeah, I don't. That Tyler thing, man, I just think that that was people reading that all wrong. And then I'm glad the other angle of that video came out. And you can clearly see she's kind of asking Nas X to hold up war for her.

[Rory]

I saw, you know, Nikki's been. I don't want to say spiraling on Twitter, but that's what a lot of people have said. She's been. She's been furious with her thumbs for the past two weeks. She did tweet something that I really did want to, like, co sign her, that people thought she was crashing out. But I understood she was saying she went to theater school and she was taught how to not laugh when she was making jokes so they appear to be serious. It's like an acting technique. And I was like, yo, what the fuck is she talking about? I can attest that when she was talking about a broom being shoved in my ass, I could see in her eyes that she was joking, even though it didn't come across like, that's a trained Actor. And even when we were doing Queen radio and she would go on, like, these rants, I could see, like, she was kind of smiling, but you couldn't tell unless you were right next to her. Nikki be trolling, man. Like, the way when she screams and all that. She's joking. I just don't think people understand that.

[Mal]

People didn't grow up with sisters and homegirls that, you know, that's. Nikki reminds me of so many girls that I grew up with when they, you know, get to talking. They. And, you know. But it's like, you know, they don't mean it in a malicious way. Like, I've been cursed out by plenty of girls that. That exact way. And at the end of the night, it's like, you know, it's all up. I know they didn't. They didn't mean nothing about it in that situation.

[Rory]

That's what I said to Nick. You're not the first woman from Queens to curse me out. Yeah, like, that's not affected here.

[Mal]

Like, I'm from New York. Are you kidding me? Like, that's definitely. I'm used to that type of talk.

[Rory]

But spending that whole day with her. And again, they were killing her on Twitter. I was like, nah. I spent a day with this chick. I could see every time she wanted to laugh in so many rants. But it's the character that she's putting on for this entertainment purpose.

[Mal]

She's gonna lean into her being the bad guy.

[Rory]

She's doing her best not to die laughing that entire day.

[Mal]

Yeah, Nikki, she gonna lean into.

[Rory]

But everyone's like, why is Nikki so mad at y'all? I was like, she wasn't.

[Mal]

Nah, man. But she understands that that's the narrative that people are trying to paint. So she's like, all right, I'm the bad guy, then paint me as the bad guy. But at the end of the day, she's a sweetheart, man. I love Nikki.

[Rory]

Yeah. I'm happy she be getting her shit off, though. She. I think it's a little misdirected with.

[Mal]

The whole, you need that get. You let Nikki get that shit off. Fuck that. And people. Sometimes people need to hear that. You need to curse some of these motherfuckers out.

[Rory]

That is fair.

[Mal]

You know what I'm saying? Like, sometimes you need to tell people, shut the fuck up. Like, why not? Yeah, sometimes people need to shut the fuck up.

[Rory]

Especially when your husband is behind you. Shadow boxing balloons.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

No one else could see that on frame, but I could.

[Mal]

That was such a fun day.

[Rory]

I've never seen anyone hit combos like that on a pink balloon in my life.

[Mal]

I had so much fun that day.

[Rory]

I was like, how'd you turn helium into a speed bag?

[Mal]

For so many reasons. I had so much fun that day. That was a great day.

[Rory]

We have some voicemails.

[Mal]

Let's get to them. You've got mail. Anything interesting? Relationship advice. I feel like giving the relationship advice today. Like, let me.

[Rory]

I think this first one, I get.

[Mal]

This bad, you know, Nikki. Nikki get this bad rep. I get a bad rep for wanting to break people up today. I want to make people, you know, happier in their relationships.

[Rory]

Are you lying just like Nikki?

[Mal]

No, for real.

[C]

What up? Rory and Mal. Julian and Damaris. I have a dating question.

[Mal]

Yes.

[C]

So I was seeing a guy for a few months. We were essentially long distance, but it was. We were very close in proximity. And I was often out there in the same state as him in the same city. And so every time I was out there, we would see each other, link up, whatever, go on dates, and everything was going really well. I do want to say that this person pursued me first.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

I think I know this girl. I'm not gonna say there's no way she called in. I know who this is.

[Mal]

Now that you say that, I think. I think I know you know who this is. Yeah. Play it.

[C]

So that's why this is an issue for me, because.

[Rory]

Nah, man.

[C]

After a while, conversation just completely stopped. And part of it was because is she subbing me out there as much? So that's kind of what I assumed. But for it being so abrupt and after everything going so well and us talking about a future together and, you know, again, it was very much in a honeymoon phase of dating. But I brought it up to him about a month after us, like, not communicating out of nowhere. And he told me that it was an out of sight, out of mind thing. Like, he didn't think a long distance relationship could work now. I just thought it was kind of weird because he already knew where I lived and vice versa. And everything was going cool. Like, there was no stipulations that we even talked about. It was just getting to know each other. So that was one thing he brought up. And another thing was that we knew too many of the same people.

[Rory]

Now know exactly who this is.

[C]

Oh, I feel like that's a whole insecurity. And he is just kind of like tapping out and making assumptions for no reason. Now, is this someone that I should let go of? Do I need to just not worry about it. Like, am I being played? Let me know what you guys think.

[Rory]

See, I can't be objective in this anymore. I wish Damaris was here. This is. We might have to redo this voicemail again on Patreon with Damaris.

[Mal]

Why?

[Rory]

Because the moment I hit play, she's like, nah, no way. She called in.

[Mal]

Who is that?

[Rory]

I'm not gonna say her name.

[Mal]

I mean, we have the daddy button.

[Rory]

All right, we came back in.

[Mal]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Rory]

I can't be objective in this voicemail if this is not the girl. They have the exact same fucking voice.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Even the way they say things, this has to be her.

[Mal]

But say that's not her. What advice do we have for her?

[Rory]

No, because I can't get out of my head that it could be her and I'm a hater. Yeah, like, nah, leave him. I even know you was talking up.

[Mal]

That's crazy. That's wild. That's what.

[Rory]

Who'd you. We end. You can't. Yeah, no, you can't be with anyone.

[Mal]

And I'm definitely not giving you advice. Like, come on. I'm not that secure.

[Rory]

Of course not. I'm not gonna be objective here. He's not the right one for you.

[Mal]

Oh, man, this is wild.

[Rory]

I'm. I don't know if this is good content or not, but that just blew my mind. But she subscribes to our Patreon.

[Mal]

Are we sure that's Herder? I'm not even like, we can't. It might not even be. Who. Who you talking about?

[Rory]

I mean, we should keep all this because it's hilarious.

[Mal]

No, definitely keep it. But I don't think that that's who you think it is. I can't. I can't see that. I can't see that.

[Rory]

Me either.

[Mal]

Or text and ask, like, yo, did you leave?

[Rory]

I haven't. Her and I haven't spoke in a really long time.

[Mal]

That's why I don't believe that that's who. That. That. That. That's her. I don't believe that. No way, man. I just don't think that she would do that. That's like so far fetched. Like, she might be like, yo, what are you talking about? There's no way she subscribes to the Patreon. She definitely.

[Rory]

Yo, this is. This is just gonna be a funny segment because this is just how, like, corny dudes are random. Hope all is well.

[Mal]

No, you don't. You don't even hope all is well.

[Rory]

And you're living in your purpose.

[Mal]

I thought you must say, living your dreams.

[Rory]

Oh, should I do that instead?

[Mal]

I hope you're living your dreams. I hope your dreams.

[Rory]

I'm gonna try to sound better and say, hope you're living within your purpose.

[Mal]

Living within your purpose is crazy. I hope you found your dreams.

[Rory]

Listen, man, Kendrick told us we gotta mature.

[Mal]

I don't think that's that girl, though, bro. I really don't. I can't see that.

[Rory]

Did you happen to call into the voicemail segment?

[Mal]

No.

[Rory]

Of our podcast?

[Mal]

No, man. No. I'm guaranteeing you that's not her. I guarantee you.

[Rory]

And this is. And why I. With this girl so much is she's such an. She's. Even if she did call in, she's gonna lie and clown me and be like, yo, you trying to again? Like, no, I didn't.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

This is your. This is your way to get back in, to reconnect.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Because this is up there with, like, tell your mom I said Happy Thanksgiving.

[Mal]

Oh, when they text you, did you.

[Rory]

Call into my podcast?

[Mal]

That's definitely not that girl. That's not even who I was thinking. Did she respond?

[Rory]

No, I just sent it.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

All right, so what's. What's your advice to not her?

[Mal]

Yes. Just let it go.

[Rory]

I'll try to be objective. I mean, if he's. If he's that close and you've been active in what you want to do here, I just let the go.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

It's clear that he doesn't.

[Mal]

He don't want that.

[Rory]

And just come home.

[Mal]

Yeah, man. Stop, man. Because we don't even know if that's the same person, man. Stop, bro. Stop. Just cut it out. That's not her.

[Rory]

Okay? No, it says anonymous. I was trying to find the email. Okay, but it's completely anonymous, and, you.

[Mal]

Know, email is crazy. You remember emails, like, off the top?

[Rory]

I mean, sometimes when you get blocked, you got to email them.

[Mal]

Well, that is true, but why I'm.

[Rory]

Not bugging is Peach also caught. It was like, nah, this sounds familiar.

[Mal]

I don't think that's her. I don't think that's her.

[Rory]

All right, well, if not, sorry, we gave no advice. This was just more of a.

[Mal]

No, we did. We gave advice.

[Rory]

You know where home is at?

[Mal]

Yeah. So door's always open.

[Rory]

That's why you calling in.

[Mal]

She trying to get back.

[Rory]

Thank you for supporting the podcast.

[Mal]

Yeah, thank you. We appreciate that. For sure.

[Rory]

See, look at that. Even with my old joints, still supporting my dreams.

[Mal]

Yeah, that means you're a good guy.

[Rory]

We didn't End bad. Yeah, we were cool.

[Mal]

That's why it pays not to embad. Oh, yeah, that relationship there, that's the.

[Rory]

Homie just, you know, just full blown father. You're changing in a relationship. So there you go, you know, Just got to give a thumbs up and hope everyone's living within their purpose.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Next voice bell.

[D]

All right, I'm trying to make this fast, right? So I met this girl when I was 19, and she was 18. I'm 22 now. She's 21. All right? Met her that summer, went on one date, and then she went off to school.

[Rory]

Okay, sorry that I stopped this real quick and keep all this speech. She. She just replied same to you. No, I didn't. But why do you ask?

[Mal]

So I told you that's not her. It's not her, man. I told you that. That's not her. Trust me. That's not her. It's not, bro.

[Rory]

No. Maybe we should reconnect then.

[Mal]

Maybe.

[Rory]

That was great.

[Mal]

No, don't.

[Rory]

It's a joke.

[Mal]

Please don't.

[D]

Kept in contact, right, that next summer in 2022, we went on like 12, 13 dates, right? Like, keep in mind, we never kissed, want no sex, none of that. Because, I mean, we like each other, but we want to, you know.

[Mal]

You went on 12, 13 dates, and y'all didn't kiss. She don't like you. What girl are you going to go on a date with 12 times and not get a kiss? 12 times. 12 dates. We. We live together. Like, 12 dates with somebody and you don't kiss them? That ain't. There's no chemistry. There's no sexual.

[Rory]

You are saved as food.

[Mal]

Yeah, 12 dates. You go on 12 dates. Yo, we have, like, you have your toothbrush in my crib at that point. 12 dates.

[Rory]

I'm more on the side of one, but I feel you.

[D]

All right, let me try and make this fast, right? So I met this girl when I was 19, and she was 18. I'm 22 now. She's 21. All right? Met her that summer, went on one date, and then she went off to school. But it was great. So we kept in contact, right, that next summer in 2022, we went on like 12, 13 dates, right? Like, keep in mind, we never kissed, want no sex, none of that. Cause, I mean, we liked each other, but we didn't want to, you know, complicate. So it's just. Hey, no, we're just gonna keep, you know, going out, having fun. All right, cool.

[Rory]

You would have beat the first date if she Let you?

[Mal]

Yeah. Like, what are you talking about?

[Rory]

We didn't want to complicate going on 13 dates and not wanting to complicate this.

[Mal]

I want my shit to be wild. Complicated.

[Rory]

It's complicated. Now why are we on 1350 and.

[Mal]

We ain't kissed yet? It's very complicated back home.

[D]

I don't see her because I'm in a relationship at this point. All right, cool. Don't see her. Now that I'm out of it, I saw her in August and we finally, like, really confessed, like, you know, like, what's up between us. And we was on the same page. It was like, all right, cool. We both like each other. Great. And then we went out one more time before she went off again. And this time we finally at least broke, like, the kiss barrier. Like, you know, racy. All right, cool. So now we have somewhat of an understanding. When she graduates in May and comes home to Atlanta, we'll see what happens. I told her I'm not expecting nothing, which is, you know, we'll just try it out and see, right? So it's been a great little three year, long time coming, slow burn ass story. And I don't even have a question. I just want to say, y'all, because on a recent Patreon episode, y'all mentioned.

[Rory]

I like the state.

[D]

It made that sound insane. That's where she goes. So, like, I was just like, wait, what? What you mean that? I just didn't. I didn't ask for a stomachache. So.

[Rory]

I can assure you at college, she didn't go on one date.

[Mal]

He said, yo, I don't want no advice. I just wanted to say, y'all, fam, you went on 13 dates with this girl, got your first kiss on the.

[Rory]

16Th date, and then. Then brought up the college that she went to on our patreon of like, yo, go down over there.

[Mal]

I could guarantee you, homie, that ain't when you taking her out and you ain't getting no kisses. Guess what? She going right back to her campus and she kisses somebody else, fam.

[Rory]

Matter of fact, she's swiping for him to get into the cafeteria.

[Mal]

That's a fact. That's a fact, homie. He's a friend. He's. She probably likes him and, you know, but he's. He's a friend. Like, she's not trying to. Trying to, I guess, take it there with him. He's.

[Rory]

I don't know. You know, guys in the south, like, settle down early and care about.

[Mal]

Wait, was that the end of It.

[Rory]

Yeah, just.

[Mal]

Oh, he just cut off.

[Rory]

I mean.

[Mal]

Okay. All right, cool. Yeah.

[Rory]

Ended at 1:30.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

Guys in the south want to settle down early and all that. I will say this. If it does work out, when she comes back in May, just try to keep out of your head her college career, if that's your queen. And you guys waited. And that's a beautiful story. I love that.

[Mal]

It sounds great.

[Rory]

Just. Just know that that May maybe wasn't her style in the inner term of, you know, when she was away at school. Yeah, like, she's your queen now, bro. Yeah, you got her.

[Mal]

Press the. Press the delete button on all her, like, college years. Like, just when he was dating, taking her to eat and all of that. Like.

[Rory]

And you know when she does go to her reunion in five years and it's like, oh, babe, come with me. I want you to meet all my college friends. And you just start noticing.

[Mal]

Yeah, just hold it down.

[Rory]

You signed up for this.

[Mal]

Just hold it down.

[Rory]

Sign up for this.

[Mal]

Yo, he said y'all, man. Like. Cause y'all mentioned.

[Rory]

And then when, like, one of her male friends is like, oh, like, when'd y'all meet? And you say, before college. And then he start adding up and goes, just hold it down. Yeah, when he start doing the math.

[Mal]

Well, I mean, he said that they had the conversation and they're on the same page now. They both like each other, so.

[Rory]

He was also in a relationship, though. So is he. He said he was after, like, their third.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah. Now they're single, so.

[Rory]

She was. She was never not single.

[Mal]

Yeah, she was never not single. She had somebody at the. At the. At the. At the dorms.

[Rory]

At State.

[Mal]

Yeah, at the dorms, waiting for her to get back. So call us back and let us know if y'all, you know, finally smack some sugar again and if you smacked her ass. I don't know.

[Rory]

And I feel like college bodies don't count.

[Mal]

Shit.

[Rory]

Come on.

[Mal]

They count.

[Rory]

I'm 34.

[Mal]

I know. I know how old you are. Like, don't lie to yourself.

[Rory]

If you date a chick age, there's no way you could be like, I wonder what she didn't cut. Yeah, it was a long time ago.

[Mal]

You not. All right, first of all, you not.

[Rory]

I'm not saying, like, if the water polo team ran through her. I'm just saying.

[Mal]

Okay, all right, all right. Keep it in perspective.

[Rory]

I'm just saying, like, of course there's a line.

[Mal]

Yes. Okay. All right. That's all. That's all I was asking. That's all I was.

[Rory]

Because, you know, please, I hope the offensive line didn't run through you.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah. As long as we keep it in perspective. Like there are certain things we never overlooking.

[Rory]

Caught some bodies in the four years you were in college.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, we know that that's. Come on, get that part. But if I'm just not.

[Rory]

I'm not going to reunion.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah. If. If it's like the same guys, that we're the same, you know, Lettermans have the same story about you, then it's like, yeah. Can't really take her too serious. But, you know, I'm glad you graduated. If.

[Rory]

Yeah, if you walk into that 10 year reunion and they're like, damn, you settle down. And you sitting there like, why? Why wouldn't she settle down? Why is that weird to you?

[Mal]

She wasn't always settled.

[Rory]

Yeah, like I met her quite settled. I don't really understand what a respectful. What do you mean by that?

[Mal]

When I met her, like, not when I was in school with her. We got a nickname for her, I.

[Rory]

Think now I need a settlement.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah. That's a fact. But yeah, call us back and let us know if the relationship, you know, went to. Is he even at first base? Yeah, he got a kiss. So let us know if y'all made it to second base.

[Rory]

I'm rooting for them.

[Mal]

Date number 27.

[Rory]

We'll be in Atlanta in November.

[Mal]

Yes. Tickets available now newroariamall.com we will be in Toronto October 17, Atlanta November 22, and then in New York City at the Gramercy Theater December 13th and December 14th.

[Rory]

That's around Thanksgiving time. Maybe she'll come home for Thanksgiving and he could bring her to the show and we could like talk to them on stage.

[Mal]

That'd be fire. Yeah, that'd be date number what, 15? Harry?

[Rory]

Yeah, solve for X.

[Mal]

I'm making him kiss in front of us. Fuck that. You go get. You going to give him some sugar in front of me? This man done took you on 19 dates and he ain't get a kiss.

[Rory]

I mean, if the show goes good, maybe he'll be able to touch your titty that night. Who knows?

[Mal]

Oh, man, that's too fast. That's gonna take another 12 dates.

[Rory]

What do you consider the basis?

[Mal]

So first base is her mouth. That's the kiss. What?

[Rory]

You gotta add more context to that.

[Mal]

I said the kiss. That's the kiss.

[Rory]

Her mouth being first base is anal. The second base, the is wrong with you.

[Mal]

That's a home run.

[Rory]

In the park.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's a grand slam. She let you throw it in her cake.

[Rory]

That's a grand slam. Her mouth being first base is crazy. You.

[Mal]

I meant to kiss, man. That's first.

[Rory]

Bas.

[Mal]

Anal. Me in third is crazy. Cause what's home at that point.

[Rory]

Pegging.

[Mal]

Holy. Oh, man.

[Rory]

All right, so first base would be kissing, making out, kissing, like. Yeah. I never understood the basis.

[Mal]

Yeah. First base is a kiss. Second base is like a little hand to hand action. Start grabbing the boobs, you know, that's second. Third is when you start at least, you know, playing with the. Playing with the box a little bit.

[Rory]

That wouldn't be second base.

[Mal]

Second playing with the box. Damn. Yeah.

[Rory]

Cause I thought third was like head and then home run was fucking third.

[Mal]

Is when you head is when you steal third. That's still in third.

[Rory]

You know. You know when Benny got in the pickle in sandlot, that's when you get your ass licked if you can outdo the pickle.

[Mal]

Oh, man. Yo.

[Rory]

Oh, that's what James Earl Jones would want to say.

[Mal]

Oh, my God. Rest in peace, James Earl Jones. My guy. Where we at?

[Rory]

Just knocked on his door, yo, shut up.

[Mal]

He was blind, bro. They were scared. He had the dog back there. It was a. They were scared of the dog. He thought it was a killer. But I get that that was a.

[Rory]

Kid back of the house. Like, there was probably a front door. Like, that was on the street side.

[Mal]

You trying to ruin American classics, man? Shut up, bro.

[Rory]

Didn't they already do sandlot too and ruin it?

[Mal]

I hope.

[Rory]

I boycotted. I definitely didn't watch that.

[Mal]

I didn't see that. If they did. I definitely watch sandlot, too. I'm not watching that. There was.

[Rory]

And they put like a Dalmatian on the front.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, See, I'm good. I didn't watch that.

[Rory]

It's progressive liberal.

[Mal]

I'm cool.

[Rory]

I don't know how those two things tie together whatsoever, but this was fun.

[Mal]

Oh. Had a great time. So the next time, y'all hear us.

[Rory]

Thank you.

[Mal]

Next time, y'all.

[Rory]

London.

[Mal]

Oh, thank you. First of all, thank you.

[Rory]

It's all the most amazing show ever.

[Mal]

Thank you, everybody that came out to the London show. We appreciate y'all. We love y'all. We will. We will be back soon, but, yeah. Thank you to the London podcast studio. Thank you to Kai for welcoming us while we're here, showing us love. And thank you to everybody in London. Man. It was great. It was a good time. Great weather. The weather held up this time. For us. And by the time y'all hearing us and seeing us, we will be back in New York City.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

So let's. Let's head home, man. Bring us on home.

[Rory]

See, now I'm nervous.

[Mal]

Don't touch my ass, though. But just bring us home.

[Rory]

You're not Benny the Jet. That's why that was his name, right?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You ain't put on the Crisp Chucks just to outrun a dog for no reason.

[Mal]

Oh, man, who.

[Rory]

Who really thinks Babe Ruth signed that ball?

[Mal]

Yo, stop, man, stop. You always get. You get weird and start ruining the classics for us, man.

[Rory]

I mean, he was an awful stepfather to begin with.

[Mal]

What is it?

[Rory]

Peace, no worry. And now.