Episode 305 | ShxtsNGigs

Summary

Summary of New Rory & MAL Podcast - Episode 305 | ShxtsNGigs (Released September 24, 2024)

In Episode 305 of "New Rory & MAL," titled "ShxtsNGigs," hosts Rory and Mal engage in a dynamic and unfiltered conversation, delving into their recent experiences, industry controversies, and various cultural observations. This detailed summary captures the key points, discussions, insights, and conclusions from the episode, providing a comprehensive overview for those who haven't listened.

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1. Recap of London Trip

Timestamps: [00:00 – 04:00]

Rory and Mal begin the episode by reflecting on their recent trip to London. They express relief and satisfaction upon returning home after an intense period of recording and media interactions. The hosts emphasize the exhaustion from constant engagements and highlight the value of taking a break from the public eye.

Notable Quotes:

• Rory: "It felt good not seeing your face for, like... it was good to not see Peach's pasty face." [01:09]
• Mal: "I kind of needed that, too." [01:38]

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2. Criticism of Shits & Gigs Podcast

Timestamps: [08:00 – 22:00]

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to critiquing the "Shits & Gigs" podcast, particularly focusing on an episode featuring Andrew Schultz. Rory, Mal, and guest Damaris dissect Schultz's remarks about black women, labeling them as problematic and offensive. They discuss the broader implications of such statements, emphasizing the negative impact on Shits & Gigs' predominantly black female audience.

The hosts express disappointment with Shits & Gigs' handling of the situation, criticizing their apology as insincere and highlighting the need for genuine accountability. They argue that the podcast's remarks contribute to harmful stereotypes and undermine efforts toward equality and respect for black women.

Notable Quotes:

• Julian: "Once you go black, you don't go back." [02:35]
• Rory: "You can't say there's no bad women." [17:36]
• Damaris: "That's just them getting canceled for not saying anything is crazy." [16:35]
• Julian: "If you have a black woman fan base... they have that right." [24:38]

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3. Sean "Diddy" Combs' Legal Issues

Timestamps: [30:00 – 58:00]

Rory and Mal delve into the legal troubles of music mogul Sean "Diddy" Combs. They discuss the charges he faces, including racketeering, conspiracy, sex trafficking, and transportation to engage in prostitution. The hosts analyze the potential outcomes of the case, speculating whether Diddy will plea deal or proceed to trial.

They explore the broader implications for the music industry, pondering how revelations from the case might expose unethical practices and dark secrets within the business. The conversation touches on the possibility of influential figures being implicated and the ripple effects such revelations could have on public perceptions and industry standards.

Notable Quotes:

• Rory: "What does Puff's future even look like?" [55:24]
• Mal: "I think Puff will take a plea, do 10 years, and everyone will move on." [65:20]
• Damaris: "There's evidence of Puff doing... but they have no drug charges." [50:27]

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4. Listener Voicemails on Relationships and Strip Clubs

Timestamps: [70:00 – 94:00]

The episode features listener voicemails discussing relationship dynamics, specifically centered around the topic of strip clubs. A listener named Danny seeks advice on handling recurrent arguments about strip club visits within a long-term relationship. Rory, Mal, and Julian offer their candid and often humorous perspectives, blending personal opinions with cultural observations.

The hosts debate the cultural differences in perceiving strip clubs across regions, addressing concerns about trust, respect, and personal boundaries within relationships. They emphasize the importance of communication and understanding when navigating differing views on such social activities.

Notable Quotes:

• Listener (Danny): "Don't ever take me to a strip club. This is terrible." [78:51]
• Julian: "She sounds like she wants to be with someone who understands her perspective." [81:13]
• Rory: "If you like the girl enough, it's like, all right, whatever. I ain't really gotta be in there." [82:35]

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5. Discussions on Music Preferences

Timestamps: [110:00 – End]

Towards the end of the episode, Rory and Mal engage in discussions about their music tastes, particularly debating the merits of John Legend's songs. They reference specific tracks, express varying levels of appreciation, and critique the necessity of rappers' involvement in certain songs.

The conversation highlights their differing views on musical artistry, with Rory questioning the authenticity and impact of certain contributions, while Mal defends the craft behind the music. They also touch upon broader topics like the evolution of music styles and the role of collaboration in creating hit songs.

Notable Quotes:

• Rory: "I never got the John Legend." [116:00]
• Mal: "I respect his craft. 'All of Me' was a great musician." [112:38]
• Damaris: "Love in the Future is very good. And Once Again is good, too." [118:07]

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Conclusion

Episode 305 of "New Rory & MAL" offers a blend of personal anecdotes, critical analysis of industry practices, and candid conversations on sensitive topics. The hosts' unfiltered approach provides listeners with an authentic glimpse into their perspectives on current events, societal issues, and personal experiences.

Overall Notable Moments:

• Critique of Shits & Gigs Podcast: Highlighting the impact of offensive remarks and the importance of genuine apologies.
• Sean "Diddy" Combs' Legal Case: Exploring potential outcomes and implications for the music industry.
• Listener Voicemails: Addressing relationship challenges and cultural differences in perceptions of strip clubs.
• Music Debates: Discussing the artistry and collaboration in music, with a focus on John Legend.

This episode underscores the hosts' commitment to addressing controversial and relevant topics while maintaining their signature blend of humor and candidness.

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Disclaimer: The transcript contains explicit language and offensive remarks. The summary aims to encapsulate the key discussions and does not endorse or condone any inappropriate content mentioned during the episode.

Transcript

[Rory]

I see you move. I'm checking your smile, Working your back like it's going out of style.

[Mal]

Awful, awful bar.

[Damaris]

Nobody wanted that.

[Rory]

Get no play in the ride. You don't play that shit in the house.

[Mal]

I said shake it a little bit faster.

[Julian]

No worrying now.

[Damaris]

I love black women.

[Julian]

Julian, I'm telling you right now, that.

[Damaris]

Was a mic check.

[Julian]

I will knock your ass out on camera. I'm just letting you know right now.

[Mal]

I've already tried here. I was trying to think of an intro. Hey, guys. Cross the Pond.

[Damaris]

Cool.

[Rory]

Oh, I thought Cash Doll was on.

[Julian]

I'm sorry.

[Mal]

You said you were ready to record because Cash Doll might be in danger. No, we can keep all this. Is she okay?

[Rory]

She's great.

[Damaris]

You got a location?

[Rory]

Great. No, I just saw Cash Dolls fighting. I was like, what?

[Mal]

She's tall? She probably has good reach.

[Rory]

No, Cash Dog. She definitely Cash Dog for sure.

[Mal]

She look like she could fight.

[Rory]

Yeah, she ain't no punk. She could hold on for sure.

[Mal]

But. Yeah, we are back. Back from New York City, across the pond, back home.

[Rory]

How you been? I ain't see you in honestly, if I'm being honest with you. Can I be honest with you right now?

[Mal]

Yeah, you can.

[Rory]

It felt good not seeing your face for, like.

[Mal]

I feel like it was only two days.

[Rory]

Yeah. But I just feel like I've been seeing you way too much, man. I mean, I love you. You my guy. But it's just like, it was good to not see. To not see Peach's pasty face.

[Mal]

Jesus.

[Rory]

I love Peach, too. That's my guy. But it's just like, I needed a break from y'all. But it feels good to be back, though.

[Mal]

Yeah, I. I kind of needed that, too. Even, like, when we were going to the show in London, seeing that it was going to be like an hour drive from our hotel. I didn't. I didn't want a carpool. I let everyone take that. You know what? I'll just eat this car. I just want this. This car ride to not be around anyone.

[Rory]

I just. I just wanted to be alone, man.

[Damaris]

Just.

[Rory]

Just need to be alone for. Just give me an hour to myself to just think and be quiet.

[Mal]

But I think what it was. We've kind of went a little crazy in London the last two times. I think why you saw me so much was because we didn't go crazy. Yeah, we recorded the entire time.

[Rory]

Yeah. We had, like, from the time we woke up to the time it was time to go to sleep.

[Mal]

Like, radio interviews.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

He was like, did you see any new sites? No, no, I saw. I saw BBC again.

[Rory]

Yeah. And that was crazy.

[Mal]

I didn't even.

[Rory]

That was crazy.

[Mal]

I don't know.

[Rory]

Yeah, just got.

[Mal]

You can't even clean that up again.

[Julian]

Once you go black, you don't go back.

[Rory]

You don't get no apology unless you're.

[Damaris]

On shits and gigs.

[Mal]

You're saying I went back? That's why I went to London?

[Rory]

Yeah, round trip.

[Mal]

It's BBC though, right?

[Rory]

Yeah, BBC.

[Mal]

I didn't like, say the wrong.

[Rory]

No, no, no, it's all right.

[Mal]

Cool.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Because if I said the wrong thing and it was forget something else.

[Rory]

No.

[Mal]

When we're on our way to do Kenny All Star show, which was great outside of the BBC, was someone holding a sign screaming, you're all lizard people. And I was like, I'm home.

[Rory]

Yeah, you're all microchipped. All your brains are microchipped. I was like, they gonna just let him stand here?

[Mal]

Like, I didn't even want to do the interview. I just wanted to stay outside with him. Like you have exercise.

[Rory]

He was the interview. That was the interview we should have done. We should have talked to him.

[Damaris]

Okay, Rory, see you stunting with the sunglasses on during the interview.

[Mal]

All right, well, they. They were clear lenses and I was really, really tired. When I say mall carried this entire interview, I said maybe three words. Yeah, I was exhausted at this point.

[Rory]

Shout out to Kenny, all star. Shout out to Janisia for setting up everything while we were there. Shout out to Aisha. Shout out to our guy, DJ Ace. Shout out to suspect. But yeah, it was a good time in London, man. We had a good time.

[Mal]

Yeah. Wish I wish we had, like, better war stories, but this was probably the most boring work related or date we've ever done.

[Rory]

It's just a sign of getting older, man.

[Mal]

We missed probably what would have been the best party ever while we were there and had no idea until the next day.

[Rory]

Oh, everyday people.

[Mal]

Everyday people was in London while we were there.

[Damaris]

And oh yeah, I could have told you that.

[Mal]

Had no idea.

[Rory]

Yeah, but you didn't.

[Damaris]

I wasn't there. I would have gotten fomo. So no one goes.

[Julian]

No one goes.

[Rory]

I'm telling you, Julie, Julian is the kid that took his ball home when he didn't get picked. I'm telling you.

[Damaris]

Look how never not get picked. Ma, don't be ridiculous.

[Mal]

That's hilarious.

[Rory]

He would never not get picked.

[Julian]

Oh, my God.

[Damaris]

Captain or first pick? You choose.

[Rory]

Captain or first pick?

[Mal]

What pick usually were you guys for first?

[Damaris]

I'm not joking.

[Julian]

I was always captain.

[Rory]

You was playing with some trash dudes. If you was always.

[Damaris]

Let's play ball. Let's go to a court anytime you want.

[Mal]

Always being the first.

[Damaris]

We can play basketball.

[Mal]

I feel like upstate New York has a lot of talent.

[Rory]

You will always pick first.

[Damaris]

Like, first one, two. Yeah. Depending on what, like, position was picked first. So say if they went with a big first. You want to match big, probably get something a little bigger. But pause.

[Rory]

You realize that there's nobody, like, literally, dudes that have played, like, Division 1 basketball can't even say what you just said. I was always.

[Damaris]

I'm sure they can.

[Rory]

No, they cannot.

[Julian]

There's some. There's. You could be amazing at basketball. Sometimes people just ain't gonna pick you. Cause, like, they don't like you or like, their friend is. They wanna pick their friend. Like, yo, Julian's the go to, right there.

[Mal]

Like, always pick first, ironically. And this has to do with London, because the professor followed me while we were in London, which changed my life. I'm nervous to DM him. I haven't really figured out, like, how I was gonna be like, yo, it was good. Yo, let's work. Yeah, I see you out there. But I used to get picked, like, pretty early because I wore headbands and looked like the professor. And then they'd pass me the ball and they'd be like, he's at the. Why did I pick this? So I was really. Yo, pick me last.

[Rory]

You wore headbands to play basketball?

[Mal]

I wore headbands to the store. What are you talking about?

[Damaris]

AI was his.

[Mal]

That was his guy crazy.

[Julian]

Well, we used to do that back in the day. I wore headband.

[Mal]

The sweat or fingered sweatband.

[Rory]

Yeah, but I can understand the girls when it was kind of like a cute accessory, but for, like, it was.

[Mal]

Very cute for Julie for.

[Rory]

For Rory to put on the headband with his fit and just walk outside. It's like, you.

[Julian]

All right, well, he was going to play ball.

[Rory]

Like, no, no. Yeah, he would just go chill. Like.

[Mal]

Well, would you.

[Julian]

He probably had, like, the jerseys and like, the.

[Rory]

Oh, he was probably just a weird kid. You could throw that in there, too.

[Mal]

First of all. No, no, no.

[Rory]

You was.

[Mal]

You were weird if you were not wearing headbands in that time. Yeah, if you were my age in 2003, you were wearing a headband.

[Rory]

All right, but. All right, what did you. What. What did you wear, though? Because if you wore a headband, it just had, like, a polo shirt on.

[Mal]

No, I didn't have, like, slacks on? No, I had a completely oversized South Pole shirt.

[Rory]

I'm sure that was nasty. You gotta put a basketball jersey on. That's nasty.

[Damaris]

Rory dressed like the little white kid from, like, Mike.

[Julian]

But that's how they used to dress back in the day. All the boys I dated or I liked when I was in middle school. And that's what I. How they dressed.

[Mal]

That's how everyone.

[Rory]

It's all it took, right, Baby D? You just gotta have a headband on.

[Julian]

Well, I was 11, 12, so, yeah, it didn't take much. Headband, Big T. Yeah.

[Damaris]

The cheapest era in hip hop, by the way. Just an oversized white tee.

[Rory]

That was the nasty $10, like, legitimate throwback.

[Mal]

Jerseys were pretty expensive.

[Damaris]

No, I'm just being like, the big white tea area. The jerseys can get up there. Big white tees were very affordable.

[Mal]

Go to foot locker, get 10 of them for, like, bucks. Yeah, it's a great deal.

[Julian]

And they used to get them in.

[Mal]

Every color every time.

[Rory]

All right, so how should I DM.

[Mal]

The professor now that we're here?

[Rory]

You shouldn't DM the professor now that we're here. Okay, yeah, just don't. He's a grown man. Just leave him alone.

[Mal]

Should I DM and say shirts or skins?

[Julian]

That's gay.

[Rory]

That's worse.

[Mal]

Okay, but you should just.

[Damaris]

You're a ditties. You would just be butt ass. Remember that story that slipped through the cracks years ago when Jamie Fox on the radio and they were there playing naked five on five at Diddy's house?

[Mal]

I definitely. I definitely missed that headline.

[Damaris]

You guys don't remember? Eventually, while we're here, there were photos from it, too. Like, there was content from it, but Diddy was there. Like, there was a five on five nude game that Diddy used to run. Call it freakball.

[Rory]

Yo, listen, man, we go and we gonna get to the whole Diddy.

[Damaris]

But this, like, some just 5 on 5 butt ass.

[Mal]

Someone had to box out if you're doing five.

[Rory]

Yeah, like, but do we believe that? Like, I know Diddy was.

[Damaris]

No, there's, like, photos that Jamie Foxx.

[Rory]

Of Jamie Fox butt naked playing basketball with Diddy, Bro. That would have been everywhere. That wouldn't surprise to me right now.

[Julian]

Like, that's Jaguar, right? Did say that. I've heard that from multiple people that.

[Rory]

They used to have Jaguar, right? Do you know the. That Jaguar writers on the Internet saying she says anything and then was offended. She was offended when. When 50 said something about Puff. I'm like, now you offended all the you've been saying for years and that offended you. Why is he kicking him down? What you sat here and said the craziest ever and you're mad at that.

[Julian]

A lot of talented is coming out to be true though.

[Mal]

For sure. But a lot of stuff she said.

[Rory]

A lot of shit that she said is not.

[Julian]

It's a coin toss.

[Rory]

Come on.

[Mal]

I did not know that Jaguar Wright was mad at 50.

[Rory]

She was mad at 50 because she said 50 was kicking puff while he was down type shit.

[Mal]

All right, I'm not going to start with hate Jaguar, right? One of the best voices we've ever heard. Her entire platform is tearing people down. She's platformed to tear people.

[Julian]

I think she said Tank was sucking Jamie Foxx dick or something like that. She'd be wild.

[Rory]

But how Jaguar know that? We ain't never see Jaguar none these events. The last time I saw Jaguar she was singing background for Jay at the Fade to Black show.

[Mal]

Great voice.

[Rory]

But she be at all these events. I'm just saying man, like could we just like. I get it though. It get your off the National Enquirer. I don't know how many magazines they sell every year, but they still on the shelves.

[Mal]

There was one, one thing in my algorithm when she was trying to break up Talib Kweli's marriage. I was like I'm too, too far in the rabbit hole now.

[Julian]

Oh wow.

[Mal]

Like I'm. I'm here for the Illuminati, she says and all that.

[Rory]

Cool.

[Mal]

But like now we've gotten down to Talib Kweli's marriage, I think, I think I've overstayed my welcome to the Jaguar. Right Streets.

[Rory]

Yeah, I'm check out on that note.

[Mal]

So my freak also the roots. I'm like, no, I'm cool.

[Julian]

It's so much. If you go on TikTok, bro, there is so much footage of Jaguar, it's like it's a never ending rabbit hole.

[Mal]

She's polarizing. Like she is very compelling when she speaks. She'd be saying some wild shit though.

[Rory]

It's like all she need to do is hear somebody name and she got a story.

[Mal]

Yeah, 100%.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like now it's just a Rory. Why you think Nikki says stick the broom up his ass? That's what he does. Like what? Like how do we get to. I was just letting you know I still rolled last night. We was hanging out. Like that's all she need to hear is somebody name.

[Julian]

Look up her stuff.

[Mal]

Definitely be like an underground hip hop show.

[Rory]

She Go air your whole out. As soon as she hear your name, she got off like, Rory was at.

[Mal]

A doom show and there was broom sticks everywhere.

[Rory]

Yeah, like dirty broomsticks backstage.

[Julian]

Broom and doom is crazy.

[Rory]

Broom and doom. Peace. That's the title.

[Mal]

All right, so.

[Julian]

Oh, my God. Okay.

[Mal]

Rest in peace to. To doom.

[Rory]

Absolutely.

[Mal]

Where were we going at this point? Oh, London. I mean, it was cool. I hung out with Peach for the most part.

[Julian]

How was that? Was Peach hangout like, they don't got dark.

[Rory]

It's everything you thought it would be.

[Mal]

It's very dark. I spent a lot of time with Peach. That was probably the most revealing. Jaguar Wright's gonna tell you about it.

[Rory]

Yeah, Peach. So Peach caught pink eye as soon as we landed.

[Mal]

That's a fact.

[Julian]

You did.

[Rory]

And then. And then proceeded to text us a picture of a whippet can that he found on the street. I said, see, this is why you got pink eye. Why are you picking up random whippet cans off the streets of London?

[Mal]

No, you're leaving out, like, the funniest part of that text. The next morning when we land, did anyone else get pink eye, question mark, then left it alone, never brought it up again. No context that question. No nothing. Just, yo, did anyone get pink eye? Everyone went, no. And then he said nothing.

[Damaris]

He was in the sauna.

[Julian]

What girl? What girl you let fart?

[Damaris]

Yeah, stink eye.

[Julian]

What you got going on?

[Rory]

It was on the pillow.

[Julian]

He said it was on the pillow.

[Rory]

A pink guy was on the pillow. I hear that. It was on the pillow.

[Mal]

Well, yes, it was. It was a great show. Shout out to everyone that came out to London.

[Rory]

Yes. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

[Mal]

Especially the first time listeners that were there, there were people that had never heard our show.

[Rory]

Oh, wow.

[Mal]

Yeah. There's one guy that didn't even listen to music.

[Rory]

Yeah, he just went with his friend, didn't know who he was, doesn't listen to music. He was a CIA agent for sure. Yeah, I've seen enough Mission Impossibles.

[Julian]

You think the new people gonna check y'all out?

[Mal]

I think that guy that might be going through my tax report right now, that's what I feel like. He was sent for your taxes. He smelled like the IRS all the way in London. Throw me off.

[Julian]

Okay, okay.

[Mal]

I mean, they didn't ask for a work visa on the way back, right?

[Rory]

I don't think you. You don't need the visa on the way back. You already work. I don't think that's how it works.

[Damaris]

It's home.

[Rory]

Yeah. You're going home. You don't need the visa.

[Mal]

But while we're on the topic of London and podcasting, that entire shits and gigs thing was happening while we were out there, like, in real time. And I don't know if it was just jet lag or just.

[Rory]

Yeah, so we heard.

[Mal]

Pure not caring at all. When I got home, I caught up on all this.

[Rory]

We had heard about it while we was there, but it was still kind of like, you know, happening in real time, and we didn't know. And people in London was telling us, like, yeah, you know, they're being canceled right now.

[Mal]

Do you remember how we. We initially found out? I don't know if they kept it in the Kenny All Star Show. So we're doing the show. I have my sunglasses on. They're like, oh, what type of podcast do you guys listen to out here? And Ma went, shits and gigs. The whole room went, ooh, really?

[Julian]

Oh, damn, that's so whack. That's.

[Mal]

So then I had to look at the timeline and be like, hey, maybe edit that out.

[Julian]

That's so funny.

[Rory]

It was just bad timing. Like, I really didn't know exactly what was happening.

[Julian]

But, yeah, that would have been the podcast. I would have. Before all of this happened, I would have told y'all to, like, cross pollinate with out there.

[Damaris]

No, I've cross pollinated times. Yeah, no, they were down. They just scheduling. Last time we were in London, we were going to set it up. They just weren't available. They were out of town.

[Rory]

Oh, well, because you wasn't there. You didn't like.

[Mal]

Well, I think we may have dodged a bullet. A bad week to do it.

[Rory]

Yeah, that would have been.

[Damaris]

Honestly, probably would have been the best week to do it.

[Mal]

I mean, I would have defended black women.

[Rory]

Well, we know. We know where you stand on it.

[Damaris]

Would have been you versus the room you impede.

[Mal]

Here's my biggest issue with Andrew Schultz. It's not what he said. It's that he did this after.

[Rory]

I don't know why you just did.

[Damaris]

That, but that was the rory at the BBC.

[Julian]

Day 129.

[Rory]

Why would you do that?

[Mal]

Because. Why would Schultz do it?

[Rory]

I don't know, but. I don't know.

[Mal]

I couldn't get past what he was saying about black women because he just kept bouncing in his chair like it was the funniest thing.

[Damaris]

That's like a. It's like a. Probably like a nervous twitch or something.

[Rory]

But you can't. You can't. You can't. It's like, you know, you can't control yourself type of thing. You're trying to contain your.

[Mal]

Because it was. The jokes were just that funny.

[Rory]

It was just off the wall. Everything was off the rails in there.

[Mal]

Women nag.

[Damaris]

Too funny.

[Rory]

I just want to know if the. The. The guys from Shits and Gigs realize the name of their show is Shits and Gigs. Like, what are you. What else are you supposed to do on a podcast but kick the shit and laugh?

[Damaris]

No, but that's not. You're missing the point. They're supposed to be serious.

[Rory]

Now, I will say I did see gigs.

[Damaris]

They're supposed to be the mouthpiece of.

[Mal]

You know, you know, equality comedy.

[Rory]

Now, I did see what Andrew Schultz said. I did see the jokes he said. Now, I don't think his jokes call for him or anyone to be canceled.

[Mal]

Well, I mean, give. Give the people some backstory. So I'm not going to repeat them because clearly it offended.

[Rory]

Well, Andrew Schultz made. Made a reference to men losing their hair because they were being stressed out by their black girlfriends. Am I right, Damaris? Was that just a joke?

[Damaris]

Well, there's more context.

[Julian]

The more context was the black girlfriend effect. The black girlfriend effect is when people.

[Rory]

Now, this is a new term. I've never heard this before.

[Damaris]

It started with, like, cause you wouldn't.

[Julian]

Hear it because all because you're black. So this is.

[Rory]

Oh, so this is like outside of the black.

[Damaris]

When black women.

[Mal]

Yeah, I initially thought they were making fun of Charlamagne's network at first.

[Damaris]

It's when black women date white guys, and all of a sudden, these white guys that were like, lame or whatever get a glow up. They get like the fade a buzz cut or get a nice beard all of a sudden. And all sudden they know how to dress. So Schultz was like, okay, then what's the inverse of that? What's the black. Like, what's. What happens when you date a black woman? And then. Then it became like the. Oh, they stress you out. You have to grow a beard because they'll slap you in the face or, like, your hair starts falling out. It was. That was the premise of it.

[Julian]

Okay, so hilarious. Aren't you laughing?

[Rory]

I mean, whatever, but I don't think. I don't think that. Yeah, I don't want to do that, but I don't think that that calls for anybody to be canceled because of saying that.

[Damaris]

That's just them getting canceled for not saying anything is crazy.

[Mal]

But they were laughing along and, yeah, they laughed.

[Rory]

It's shits.

[Damaris]

And dude, they Were in shock. They were.

[Rory]

Well, they were shits and gigs. They was giggling.

[Damaris]

No, they were in shock. Remember? That's what they said.

[Rory]

Oh, now let's get to the apology, because now that's where I think the fighter. That's where they deserve to be canceled because of that apology so bad. They started referencing. Yeah, it was like fight or flight while we were sitting there. It's like, don't do that. I get it now and then, to find out that that episode is old and, like, this is now. Them putting out the apology now, like.

[Damaris]

It'S like two months later.

[Mal]

I really thought this was all happening last week.

[Julian]

No. So let me. Let me give y'all some background, because this is off the rails. So the reason why this old episode is being bought up as evidence against them is because they went on poor minds. Shout out to Lex, Andrea. They went on poor minds, and they said to Lex, Andrea that they've been in Atlanta. I don't know whether it was a couple hours, couple days, whatever, and that they had seen no baddies in Atlanta. Now, if you've ever been to Atlanta and you like black women, you know that that is a red flag, because they are everywhere. Ma, have you ever been to Atlanta and seen no baddies?

[Rory]

No.

[Julian]

The people working in the airport, it's never happened.

[Mal]

They were talking to two of them.

[Rory]

Yeah, I don't. I don't. I don't. That part is with. I don't.

[Julian]

That.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Makes no sense. Right? Red flag.

[Rory]

Even if you. But. But here's the thing. Even if you say you don't date black women. Right. Your preference, whatever, you can still see a woman and say, damn, she's bad. You may not want to date her because that's not your type of woman or racist, but she's. She's a beautiful. You can't say that. There's no bad women. And that is the craziest shit I think I've ever heard. There's no bad women in Atlanta.

[Mal]

So I didn't.

[Rory]

What does that even mean?

[Mal]

See that episode? Were they saying it, like, just for conversation starter?

[Julian]

No, no. He meant it. By the way, they also said that there were baddies in Seattle, though.

[Damaris]

Oh, that's where all the heroin hoes.

[Rory]

Are at all right now.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

I like.

[Mal]

Things are adding up a bit.

[Rory]

I like these gentlemen. Much success to them. Cool. But now we might have to get these out of here. You can't say there's no baddies in Atlanta.

[Damaris]

Find a couple in Seattle, though.

[Mal]

Actually, they were from Vancouver, though.

[Damaris]

Ah, that's right. Never mind. Like, Canadian.

[Rory]

Where were you at in Seattle where you saw baddies, but in Atlanta, you didn't see any? I just don't understand.

[Mal]

And I'm not saying that there aren't baddies in Seattle.

[Rory]

Oh, no, it's beautiful women in Seattle for sure.

[Mal]

Like, there's no way Sir Mix A Lot would come up with those genius records if he wasn't looking at baddies.

[Rory]

Exactly.

[Mal]

But. But to them, be like, nah, not on Atlanta. Have you been to Starbucks?

[Rory]

Yeah. That's a little. That's a little weird.

[Mal]

Have you seen Frazier?

[Rory]

Now, their apology, I can understand people being mad at. Cause it's like, all right, now y'all talking about fight or flight. And, you know, we just wanted to get out of there. And, you know, it's like, cut the shit, man. Cut the shit. You niggas was not gonna post this apology if this backlash didn't. And that's the problem I have with people posting apology videos, which is why.

[Damaris]

They never should have posted one.

[Rory]

Exactly.

[Damaris]

Because this is disingenuous.

[Rory]

It's like, it's not real. You don't mean it. You only posting this cause you feel like this is damage control. And people on your team are telling you, like, yo, the Internet is up in. Up in arms about this Schultz episode, and we have to do something. If they were going to say something, they could have been like, listen, it was jokes. Just stand on the side of. It was jokes. Now, if you were offended, it wasn't intended to be, you know, an offensive thing. It's just guys, shits, and gigs having a conversation, cracking jokes, literally called shits and gigs.

[Julian]

But they can't. Okay, so this is the thing. This is the reason why this is such a big deal, right? Because men on podcast has been saying disparaging shit about black women. For since podcasts have existed, women on.

[Rory]

Podcasts have been saying disparaging.

[Julian]

Okay, you. My point. Men on podcasts have been saying disparaging shit about black women. That's nothing new. The issue is who their fan base is. Shits and Gigs is the one podcast that when we. All the women sit up here and say, take the mics away. Burn the mics, Burn the mics. Burn down B and H. Everybody always says, well, from what I know with black women, because I'm one of them. Except for the two in it. We always say, except for the two in it.

[Rory]

Yeah, I just like their accent.

[Julian]

Except, no, I actually hate people with that accent. I told you that. I hate that fucking accent in it. I hate that accent. It has nothing to do with that. It's just they pander. They've always pandered. Outside of, like their old episodes. Once black women started liking them, they started pandering and they were like the cool, like non toxic, like two men on podcast. That's what they got known for. So now all of this is coming out and it's spitting on their image. If you two said that or if another podcast said that, it wouldn't be such a big deal. But being that it's them and who their main fan base is, the majority of their fan base is black women. Yeah, they had to apologize. Now, granted, they should have hired a PR agent to write a better apology.

[Rory]

Or they should have just been, because.

[Julian]

That one was awful. But they should have apologized or they.

[Rory]

Should have just been honest in their apology. You don't need to hire a PR person to be honest. Just be honest. Well, we was. It was jokes. We were laughing.

[Julian]

No, just always be honest, Mom.

[Mal]

You don't think they were being honest with the fight or Flight in that moment?

[Rory]

Nothing about their faces said they were ready to run out of it?

[Julian]

No.

[Damaris]

Well, the thing that in Schultz joked throughout. So on the most recent episode of Flagrant, they played their apology and Schultz tore it apart and like just kind of. They did a reaction to it as he showed it. The big. The main thing he did say, though, is said, hey, by the way, after we recorded, they did have a few edits and things they wanted to remove from the episode. This was not one of them.

[Julian]

Exactly.

[Damaris]

So you knew he was just going to shoot yourself in the foot. But if you're going to try to shit on Schultz and they were planning on just blaming him for that whole situation, he's like, well, fuck you guys. You never wanted to edit this out in the first place. You guys were okay with it the entire time.

[Rory]

And that's the problem with the apology is that you can tell, like, they are not being honest about how they felt. They were not in fight or flight mode. It wasn't none of that.

[Julian]

Like, it's just like, fight or flight is so dramatic. You could have just said it was a nervous laugh. Like, I just laughed like, it was a nervous laugh. Because people had that same critique, for example, with Will Smith, where they said, well, Will Smith laughed at Chris Rock's joke before Jada gave him a look. And I'm like, no, he probably laughed at it. Out of. Some people just laugh automatically when they know that somebody's telling a joke. And don't really internalize it. And then five seconds later, you're like, wait, what the fuck did you just say? You could have said that, but Fight or Flight. You were not in Fight or Flight. You could have just said it was a nervous giggle or something like that.

[Mal]

I'm not excusing their laughter to Schultz's jokes, but I will ask, what were they supposed to do in that time? Like, stop Schultz and be like, no, but you can.

[Rory]

It's a way to laugh and be like, yo, relax.

[Mal]

Maybe make a joke about white women to balance it out. Yeah, okay.

[Julian]

Yeah, don't violate the black. Like, you could have still made it funny and not made it uncomfortable.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

They could even say, yeah, sometimes the sisters stress us out, but we love them. And it's something like that.

[Mal]

Or like, I can tell by your mustache you don't like women.

[Rory]

Yeah, there you go.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

See, that type of.

[Julian]

You ate.

[Rory]

But this right here, like, first off, the receipt.

[Mal]

That's what he does.

[Rory]

Twice he did seven plus one.

[Julian]

Please stop.

[Damaris]

How you uneat.

[Rory]

Twice. Yeah, he threw up.

[Mal]

That's not funny. I find it so funny.

[Rory]

No, it's nasty that you doing it.

[Mal]

So ignore me.

[Julian]

Yeah, they're. They're idiots. But this is this. No, they are.

[Mal]

They made a mistake.

[Julian]

No, they made another mistake when they put that apology.

[Rory]

The mistake is the apology. That's the mistake.

[Julian]

The main mistake is saying, ain't no baddies in Atlanta. That was the mistake.

[Mal]

Because I'm with the cancellation.

[Rory]

Well, that's.

[Julian]

You told on yourself.

[Rory]

Yeah, I'm with you on that.

[Julian]

You told on yourself.

[Rory]

Yeah, they might be time to get them out of here with that. With that comment.

[Julian]

But this is the thing. And people like, oh, they don't deserve to be canceled for jokes. What people need to understand is. Is not. Not everything is them being canceled. But when you have a black woman fan base and they feel like black women are not your preference and they no longer want to listen to you, they have that right. Don't piss off your fan base. That's not you being canceled. Nobody's saying to take their deal away and not have them be over the podcast. They're just saying, oh, with all of these things combined, I don't like the comments that you've been okay with going around about black women. I'm a black woman that listen to your podcast. I will remove myself from your patreon and giving you money because you think it's funny when white men who don't date black women make jokes about Us. I'm just gonna remove my money and my support. That's not canceling.

[Rory]

Hmm.

[Julian]

That's not cancer.

[Mal]

Actually, that's the truest form of canceling.

[Rory]

Yeah. You can't substitute.

[Julian]

But that's not calling for a mass cancer.

[Mal]

Of course.

[Julian]

Like, I don't fucks.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Can't be mad at that.

[Rory]

No, you can't be mad at it.

[Damaris]

But you said you liked him because they panted a black woman. But isn't that like. Isn't that. Do you prefer that like a pander?

[Julian]

I don't watch that.

[Damaris]

Not you particularly, but I'm saying, like, if they have a fan base that is black women and you. And we're aware that they just pander towards what black women want to hear. Isn't that more. I find that more offensive. But don't just tell me what I want to hear.

[Julian]

It's a pander now because everything's coming out. That's kind of pointing. I can't speak for facts. I don't know them. It's pointing to, oh, you don't actually like black women. That's. That's what it's pointing to. Right. So before, people don't know that it's a pander. You don't know that it's a pander because it doesn't appear that it was genuine under the assumption that it was genuine. And then all of these things stack up and it's like, ah, it's looking a little funny in the light. Well, but that's their supporters.

[Mal]

I'm not saying this about them, but we've seen the pander potters and get exposed for who they really are. Typically, when someone is overly pandering, they're probably a piece of shit and they're covering up for the nasty things that they've done.

[Julian]

Yeah. As far as Andrew Schultz, the people who are saying that those were jokes and that there was nothing wrong with the joke. Let me say this, and I'm standing on this, and I don't give a fuck who don't like the big bag.

[Rory]

Of business you standing on.

[Julian]

You are married to a white woman. Why we ain't never seen you with no sister? So the issue, when you're talking like.

[Rory]

Celia in a Color Purple, the issue.

[Damaris]

Kinda like Kamala.

[Rory]

I was about to say the issue. Yo, what filter did you just put.

[Julian]

On the issue when you sitting next to two black men talking shit about black women when you don't date black women and we've never seen you with a black woman? Is where are you Getting these talking points from. Who's telling you this stuff about black women?

[Mal]

So you're saying Charlamagne told him?

[Damaris]

That's exactly what I was gonna say.

[Mal]

Did Charlamagne address this at the end.

[Julian]

Of I don't know.

[Damaris]

I don't know.

[Julian]

Just. Just keep your mouth shut about stereotypes. Keep your mouth shut about stereotypes about black women when it comes to them being just so stressful and this angry black woman trope. When you don't even date black women. You don't even date black women. You don't know shit about what they're like in a relationship because you don't date them. Your wife is your wife. So keep black women out your mouth. And you can't get mad when people have an issue with that and other people can't get mad.

[Rory]

Four. I'm sorry. Go.

[Julian]

When other people. You can't get mad when other people are looking at you like, yo, you two are sitting next to this white man that doesn't date black women and listening to him make disparaging comments about black women. This one over here don't date fully black women. He's not going to sit next to me and disrespectfully black women.

[Damaris]

You heard the start of the episode. I said, I love black. I was the beginning.

[Julian]

I'm not. I'm not going to allow him to do that.

[Rory]

Well, that was.

[Julian]

If he want to complain about how black women stress him out, he can do that.

[Mal]

But that's about specific women.

[Rory]

No, he can't. Not while I'm sitting here. You think he can sit here?

[Mal]

I am not racist whatsoever, but I am misogynistic, so I will complain about women. Not.

[Julian]

Oh, no, he don't care about just women.

[Rory]

Women.

[Damaris]

Yeah. My hate's rooted in women.

[Mal]

Yes.

[Damaris]

Don't get it misconstrued. It's not black women.

[Rory]

It's nothing to misconstrue, Julian.

[Damaris]

You don't date black women like. Like Rory. We just don't like women.

[Rory]

But, like Rory. Rory dates black women. You don't.

[Damaris]

I have. I don't make it public. I don't make it a fetish. Yeah. Thank you.

[Rory]

So why do you make all your white women public?

[Damaris]

I don't make anything public. You guys bring them up.

[Rory]

Yeah, because we. You tell us.

[Mal]

Yeah. You brought that. First of all, there's only one girl.

[Damaris]

That'S been brought up on this show, and it's Coffee Girl. And that from New Year's.

[Rory]

She was gonna do that. Don't see why is it that. Now don't do that.

[Damaris]

Remember, I hate women, but I don't.

[Rory]

Don't do that, though. Don't. Don't do that. Don't do that.

[Julian]

But my point was, y'all can get these comments off because the majority of your listenership isn't black women. There's like. Like 17 of them that listen to this podcast. Like, that's. That's not your listen.

[Damaris]

And one of them.

[Mal]

We have a lot of black women.

[Julian]

We do.

[Mal]

We do listen to our show, but they're just as toxic as us, though. That's all. That's why they listen to us.

[Rory]

I don't think they understand context too well.

[Damaris]

That's. So that's my problem. Not problem. Like, that's my criticism of this whole thing with them is. Okay, so it was an episode of flagrant. So you're seeing Schultz audiences listening to it, and I would imagine die hard fans of shits and gigs are also listening to it. For two months, this was out. Not a problem.

[Rory]

Wasn't a problem.

[Damaris]

No problem. And then someone clipped the right thing. It found the right person, and now all of a sudden, it's like a shitstorm of like, cancel this, man. It's like, okay, well, now we're not serving their audience like people like the conversation we just had. People that get us, understand us, listen to the show, have no beef or problems with anything that we usually say. It's when gets clipped out of context. And then we see, like, this storm of, like, wow, that's up. Why would you ever say that about this group of people? Well, it's like, well, that wasn't meant for you to see. It's within the context of our audience.

[Julian]

I wasn't meant to be at KKK meetings. They still affected me.

[Damaris]

That's different. That's way different.

[Mal]

Jerry Jones was just checking out the rally.

[Damaris]

You see that Jerry Jones clip that just went out?

[Mal]

Oh, that's gonna be on the list, too.

[Damaris]

God damn. Did you see that?

[Rory]

I saw the headline. I read the clip, but I didn't with Jamie Foxx.

[Mal]

It's all about BBC talk about Jamie.

[Damaris]

Foxx again and naked people.

[Rory]

Yeah. Why Jamie always around some. Anyway, we'll get to that.

[Mal]

All right, well, you guys ran shits and gigs off the Internet. You guys ran Diani off the Internet. You guys ran what's the dirt off the Internet. The entire time we're in London, everyone was getting canceled. I'm glad we took that trip. Who knows what we would have said? Like, in domestic territory.

[Rory]

I just. I had a ball. I Laughed at all of that.

[Mal]

Why y'all did that to what's the Dirt? Is that too nerdy for you guys? Do you guys know what's the Dirt?

[Rory]

No, I don't. I do not know who that.

[Mal]

You probably have seen the videos, though. During the Kendrick and Drake battle, he got really popular because he was doing, like, lyric breakdowns, but in a very, very, very, very detailed way. His 616 one was crazy. Everyone praised it. Then he did one for Family Matters, and all of the Kendrick fans lost their minds, and the whole timeline shifted on him. But There was another YouTuber, Justin Hunt. He used to work at Hip Hop DX. Has his own platform on YouTube. That's great. They started going back and forth, and they started clipping each other's responses. And Justin was saying in his response after what's the Dirt? Counted how many times Drake said the N word in Family Matters. He said it was 37 and that was his age, and that's the years he's been black. Like, that's how deep he was doing the breakdown. And Justin Hunt was naturally saying, like, dog. So you were in your basement counting how many times Drake said the N word. This white guy in Canada. That's not a little weird to you? So what's the dirt? Who, again, I. I think is a great YouTuber, has never had backlash before, so he doesn't know how to deal with it. And he crashed the out. So he took that clip of Justin Hunt when he said, you said the N word 37 times. I don't even use the N word. And I'm a black man. And then what's the Dirt said? I can tell. And the timeline lost it. And then he called him Carlton and it just. They ran more.

[Damaris]

Oh, he doubled down.

[Rory]

He was saying, I can tell you're.

[Damaris]

A black man or because he's a black nerd. So he's like, I can tell you haven't used.

[Mal]

I can tell you don't use the N word word, which is like a wild thing as a white man to say to a black guy. That's insane.

[Julian]

All right, my bad, my bad. Yo.

[Rory]

I'm just saying I'm here to pop.

[Mal]

If I said to you I could tell you don't use the N word. That's not nuts.

[Julian]

It is nuts. I didn't say it wasn't nuts.

[Mal]

So what's. I have never seen a timeline shift the way they did with what's the Dirt? Like? It shifted to the point that he put out an apology yesterday. That, of course I sat and watched because I was at the edge of my seat with all this nerdy beef because I'm a nerd.

[Julian]

We know.

[Mal]

He said he's. He's getting off YouTube. He's retiring.

[Rory]

What's the dirt?

[Mal]

He built an amazing platform and he's like, no, I think I'm cool. I'm done now. I'm gonna retire.

[Julian]

I hate when people do that. It's so he brought up his therapist.

[Mal]

And yeah, but mental health and it's so.

[Julian]

I mean, I hate doing.

[Rory]

But why you. But why are you getting off YouTube though? Like, just deal with the situation and.

[Damaris]

Be like, yo, like, okay, he made an apology video.

[Mal]

That's what I'm talking about.

[Damaris]

Video on YouTube's called My Sincere Apology to Justin Hunt.

[Julian]

71, 000 views 2 days ago.

[Rory]

Oh my God.

[Damaris]

He's not gonna retire before that money kicks in.

[Julian]

Hell no.

[Damaris]

You're gonna monetize.

[Mal]

Demonetize your.

[Damaris]

Yeah. If you really mean to demonetize it.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Donate. Donate all your money. Yeah, Donate it to charity. Donate all your money to charity.

[Mal]

And Justin has a great platform as well and is a great writer, but I just did not expect that the YouTube wars would go this way. Like, we're in a whole new era. This. This is like running people off YouTube when all they do is. Lyric breakdown.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

How did you even get in a back and forth with somebody?

[Rory]

But this is where you make YouTube videos. This is this. And this is why YouTube gets weird. Because then you have these guys that build these platforms like you said, all for breaking down songs and lyrics and things like that, and then they get caught up in shit. Like, I can tell that you don't use the N word, but even then. Is that. Is that. Does that call for somebody to completely.

[Julian]

No.

[Rory]

Disappear and cancel their channel, though?

[Mal]

There is a bit more context to it though. What Justin's point also was he even like Damn near did a 23andMe on Drake's dad and was like trying to prove to the world that Drake was a black man. And to Justin's point, it came off kind of weird. Well, like, this is a little odd that you are doing three hour videos trying to explain to us that Drake is actually a black man and has the same plight that Kendrick's family did. And it got like a little too far from just breaking down rap lyrics.

[Rory]

A little upset.

[Mal]

And because he's so good at what he does, when he got into that realm, he went even further because all he does is research in his basement. So if you just give him the idea that I could defend Drake's blackness. We're going to get 23andMe reports about his father's family and where they come from in the Deep South.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's. That's weird.

[Mal]

I see what Justin was saying. Like, all right, that's weird. I loved what you were doing. This is getting odd at this point.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Now you're counting n words like, what are we doing? This isn't fun rap shit anymore.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's. That's. Now, see, I understand that's weird obsessive behavior. But a lot of these guys, that's. They. They obsess over whatever's current in the culture and. And they build a platform.

[Mal]

Really talented at doing it.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I have not seen better lyric breakdowns in my entire life than. What? What's the dirt Did.

[Rory]

Some of. Some of the breakdowns have been a reach, though.

[Julian]

Oh, for sure. They go.

[Mal]

I like the region.

[Rory]

I don't. Because it's like. I promise you, Kendrick didn't think about that when he wrote that bar, and neither did you. I promise you, neither one of them thought about.

[Mal]

You don't think that Drake made sure there was 37 words in family math.

[Rory]

I could guarantee you.

[Mal]

No, but he's 37.

[Rory]

No, no, I get it.

[Mal]

And he's.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

All 37 years.

[Rory]

I got it.

[Mal]

Which is also crazy because. What's the dirt. What are you trying to say about Drake for his 37 years? He's. That word. Now I see what Justin was getting at.

[Rory]

Yeah. It's just things get a little.

[Mal]

He didn't say I'm a black man 37 times.

[Damaris]

That'd be a shitty song.

[Rory]

Wasn't there a song like.

[Mal]

That's Logic.

[Julian]

Yo, Peach, please.

[Rory]

That's the logic. New logic. Don't do that. We like we love y'all.

[Julian]

Not do nothing. Cancelable, please.

[Rory]

Who's canceled? Really, though?

[Mal]

Please don't even say that, because that's a famous last word.

[Julian]

Knock off somebody but wood, please.

[Mal]

What would y'all be.

[Julian]

Don't piss me off. Yo.

[Rory]

Yo. What's up with you today?

[Julian]

He gay today. I don't know what the Is going on.

[Mal]

You guys said Schultz did it because it's a tick. So I can't have a tick?

[Rory]

No, we said schultz, I have Lyme disease. Trying to. That's crazy. That's crazy to just throw out there.

[Mal]

Went over your head. It's cool.

[Rory]

I'll get.

[Mal]

What's the dirt to break down Lyme disease and how you get it. It's from ticks.

[Damaris]

You know, Lyme started in Connecticut.

[Mal]

Why do you know that?

[Rory]

How does your brain retain?

[Damaris]

And why did I just learn random things? I don't know. It's from lime.

[Mal]

Oh, there's a town called.

[Damaris]

It's called. It's where it's named after. Where it originated.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So why we couldn't name cove. Never mind. All right. It is what it is. But see you good. I'm chilling. Are you good? I'm just.

[Julian]

I'm chilling, bro.

[Rory]

I'm good. I'm chilling. I'm here.

[Mal]

What are you trying to say?

[Rory]

No, nothing.

[Damaris]

Oh, damn. Wow.

[Rory]

I mean, did he.

[Damaris]

I mean, they tried diddy.

[Mal]

Jerry Jones.

[Rory]

Jamie.

[Mal]

What was Jerry Jones doing at that football game? Talking about eight inch dicks.

[Rory]

Wait, what?

[Damaris]

Before we do diddy, let's do. Yeah, let's just. Let's.

[Mal]

I'm not gay today. They are.

[Damaris]

Let's tease a bit. Pause. So Jamie Foxx was at. Where did this clip come from? He was at a game with Jerry Jones or something, and he was filming himself. And in the back you can hear Jerry Jones say this.

[Mal]

Nine and three inch head.

[Rory]

Eight and.

[Mal]

A half inch dick. He got that video.

[Damaris]

So the full quote, because the audio is pretty shitty.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

He's going down his stats like, you know, a 2K. Create a player. 5, 9 and a half, 210, 441 is 40 time, 9 and 3 inch hands. Then he takes like a half pause and just continues on. Eight and a half inch dick.

[Julian]

It's Jamie Fox's face.

[Damaris]

And then Jamie just immediately cuts the video.

[Rory]

Yeah. Cause what else you gonna do right there? Cut the feed, man. Like, Jamie just said that on my live. Like, you could have went live and said that.

[Mal]

Also imagine just being in those stands. Like, you always overhear convos other people are having at sporting events. Imagine Jamie Foxx and Jerry Jones are behind you. He's like, what the fuck did you just say?

[Julian]

Yo?

[Rory]

And then it's even crazy because Jerry owns a team, which means he has access to the locker room. So it's like, wait, how you know that? Like, but is you. How you got those numbers?

[Mal]

We don't even know who he was talking about, by the way.

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah. Jesus.

[Julian]

I thought, oh, he. And he not talking about himself.

[Damaris]

Isn't it kind of like Donald, Jerry was just.

[Mal]

He was hitting on Jamie. Just giving him his stats.

[Julian]

No, but he wasn't talking to Jamie. He was talking to somebody else above. They were standing directly above J.

[Damaris]

No, he was talking about.

[Mal]

That's his. His dating profile He.

[Rory]

He probably was talking about. All we got to do is go to the roster, find out who's five.

[Mal]

Nine and a half, 210.

[Rory]

Oh, no, you know. You know, four.

[Mal]

Four.

[Julian]

Who were. Who runs a four one? Four four one.

[Rory]

See, I can get canceled, but you know, black Twitter. The women on black Twitter probably found his. His. His. His profile already.

[Julian]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

You know, they dug that up.

[Julian]

Cuz. Black women are known for gold digging, right?

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Julian]

I mean, not. Not the white women that always end up with the players. Black women are named for gold digging, right?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Now go sit your ass in the cor.

[Rory]

I'm just saying. Them too. All.

[Damaris]

Little.

[Rory]

All. Most women are gold diggers. I mean, it is what it is.

[Mal]

What if they were just looking for love? And those are some stats that they.

[Rory]

On Jerry on.

[Julian]

I would like to know. I would like to know which part. 441.

[Mal]

It's the 441 part, right?

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Yeah. Got you. Okay.

[Rory]

I would like to know if he can run the 441. No woman has ever cared about a.

[Damaris]

Imagine meeting a girl like. Well, she goes, what's your 40 time?

[Julian]

Who.

[Rory]

Who cares about who asks that type of question?

[Mal]

Angel Reese.

[Julian]

Because, well, yeah, we need to know how fast you could get out. Like, if some go wrong, I need to know how fast we could get out of there.

[Rory]

If I'm somewhere and I got to get out of there in 4, 4 1. I should have never been there in the first place, bro.

[Damaris]

The fact that Jerry is openly comfortable talking about the size of potential recruiters and players dicks, like, what else does. That's the thing. Like, the narrative now is, like, he talks about these guys like their livestock. Like, he talks like Jerry Jones.

[Mal]

No, come on. An owner of an NFL team.

[Damaris]

He's joking.

[Rory]

Yeah, come on.

[Mal]

They don't. They don't view their players.

[Rory]

It was just shits and gigs. That's all that was.

[Mal]

I mean, I guess the question to really ask. Even if he has access to the locker room, like, you think he just. Just gave it a quick eye and knew? How did you. Like, how'd you eyeball that and know it? He said eight and a half. Like, not even eight. Like, he went to the 0.5 eyeballing.

[Julian]

The A ball and know what that is over expert. That's crazy.

[Rory]

I mean, he has to know. You know me. You gotta know his investment. Yeah.

[Julian]

Was it hard?

[Mal]

Hold on, wait.

[Damaris]

Soft eight and a half is. That's awesome.

[Mal]

Well, Jamie, cut the camera. He's gonna get to the girth.

[Damaris]

But I love this. It's all the memes. It's like Jerry Jones checking. It's like Jerry Jones checking his place. There's some gay military. You know they are.

[Mal]

Wait, would you know how they are? He's just going to fight if you were gay.

[Rory]

Well, he's just going down the line doing that. Well, you can't pull something like that on the screen and not. Not have context to it, though. What is this? I don't know, man.

[Damaris]

It's just.

[Mal]

It's Jerry Jones.

[Rory]

And then why did he look him in his eyes after he did this?

[Mal]

Why do he stay at him?

[Damaris]

This is weird, but this is like.

[Julian]

Me at 2:30 at the club.

[Rory]

That's what you be doing at 2.

[Damaris]

All right. Day one.

[Mal]

Now CC see Damaris around some Nike text.

[Rory]

That's crazy. Nike, Texas wow.

[Julian]

Jokes. We're joking, Har.

[Mal]

The Nike tech. Specifically.

[Julian]

Shits and gigs.

[Rory]

Shits and gigs.

[Mal]

It's all shits and gigs.

[Damaris]

That's the name of the episode.

[Rory]

There you go.

[Julian]

Oh, my God, bro.

[Mal]

How they're running everyone off the timeline except for Jerry Jones is insane to me.

[Julian]

Is he on the timeline? Like, not the life. Because he gonna die soon, but I mean, like the Twitter time.

[Rory]

Damn. You getting Jerry out of here. Packing him right up, huh? Sorry. Send him to the upper room. Go ahead.

[Mal]

I don't know, man. Jerry might be a lizard. He might be 200 years old.

[Rory]

Definitely. I believe that. Or can't be in a photo like that. And it's such a. Such a.

[Mal]

He looked old in that photo.

[Rory]

Yeah. During the civil rights movement. And now you own it. And if that doesn't his excuse for that. You know how many lives that is that he's lived, you know? You know how crazy that is? Think about that. He was in that photo.

[Mal]

Just checking out what was going on, man.

[Damaris]

It's all going on over here.

[Rory]

Yeah, but the fact that he was there.

[Julian]

Y'all got going on.

[Damaris]

Y'all got going on over here.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Was it free food?

[Julian]

Yep.

[Damaris]

He was born in Florida.

[Julian]

Yo, you think they have free food at, like, the hangings?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

You think they do, like an after.

[Rory]

Like, I'm hungry during that.

[Julian]

All right. White people.

[Mal]

I mean, I've never thought about it, but I assume they probably, like, have some food, refreshments. It's probably not good.

[Rory]

Probably.

[Damaris]

Do you think they're not going to have a beer during that?

[Rory]

You think they had a concession stand during the lynchings, like, and they had to pay, you Think you had to pay for parking, get there early so we could get a good spot.

[Mal]

Hey, I'm.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Not gonna shits again. I think that's appalling.

[Damaris]

What snack would you.

[Mal]

And I'm gonna get some place back. I don't think you should make those type of jokes personally.

[Rory]

Yo, you should run personally. It's fight or flight. Are you gonna fight? You didn't get up and run out of here yet. Like, run. Let me see your.45.

[Mal]

They didn't fight or fight.

[Julian]

Well, there's Fawn. Yeah, I do know that. So there's fight, Flight, Freeze, and Fawn. It looked like they were fawning over the place.

[Rory]

So, like, is that like a group of baby deer?

[Julian]

Yes, but a fawn is one baby deer, I think.

[Damaris]

No, but it's a dough. Well, a female deer.

[Julian]

Oh, really?

[Damaris]

No, you're right. You're right.

[Julian]

So no, Fawn is the reaction of, like, let's say a man ran up to me with a gun, and I was like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry. Like, you can have whatever, like, you want. Do you want this? Like, do you want my purse? Do you want my phone? Like, you can have whatever.

[Mal]

I'm a fawner. I'm Big Fawn.

[Julian]

That's a phone.

[Mal]

I'm the Fonz. I'm Fons.

[Rory]

You. Start offering your goods.

[Mal]

If someone pulls a gun, I'm going to be Fonzie right away. Take everything you want, have it all.

[Damaris]

It's the fawn. By definition. It's the body's attempt to please someone to avoid conflict.

[Mal]

Never mind. I'm not well pleasing.

[Damaris]

A meaning. Like, take my.

[Julian]

Yeah, like, don't.

[Mal]

Yeah, shoot me. Like, I'll give you a handy.

[Rory]

Yo.

[Mal]

That's what I thought.

[Rory]

Tell us somebody. Like, hey, don't shoot. I'll jerk you off. What?

[Mal]

You don't remember in Sopranos when Shorty did that when they're about to kill her, she's like, yo, I'll suck y'all dicks.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

What they do?

[Julian]

Imagine going down the line sucking all the dicks, and they still blow.

[Damaris]

I was gonna say, you're still gonna die.

[Rory]

Oh, my God, you blew. You blew my top down.

[Mal]

We'll blow yours after the post nut. Clarity. I'm still gonna kill you.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that would make me want to kill you more.

[Rory]

If it's trash.

[Damaris]

The Clarity. Like, just the clarity after coming, you're like, oh, yeah. That's what I was gonna do. Just shoot her.

[Mal]

Yeah. Lorraine from Sopranos told Phil, I'll suck your dick.

[Julian]

Did she live?

[Mal]

No, they. They tricked her. They put a phone book in front of her to shoot her and then said next time they'll not be a next time. They eventually murdered her.

[Rory]

It was the next time.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Julian]

But also there was an ex. So did dick sucking got her out of here though?

[Mal]

No, she didn't suck any dicks.

[Julian]

Okay. But the promise of said dick sucks got her out of there.

[Mal]

Actually, now I think about it, she did die butt ass naked the second time out the shower.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Because you got to give head. But Nick, you gotta take away. You know that. Everybody knows that.

[Damaris]

I know.

[Mal]

Even Jerry Jones knows that.

[Rory]

Yeah. Come on.

[Julian]

Just eyeing the 8.5 is crazy.

[Mal]

And just with a cadence. Knew it right off. Rip like eight and a half right there.

[Rory]

There.

[Julian]

Damn. Yo, yo.

[Mal]

Four plus four equals. They ran a 4.1.

[Rory]

All right.

[Mal]

Never mind.

[Damaris]

About to make a name on myself.

[Mal]

What's the dirt? We'll do the breakdown anyway. All right, Puff. Should we just cold open here?

[Rory]

Yeah. So since we've been in London, a lot has unfolded. The case was sealed, but now it has been unsealed. So we know now know all of the charges that Diddy is facing. So it's racketeering, conspiracy, sex trafficking, and transportation to engage in prostitution. And then obviously all the things came out of them. Finding a thousand bottles of baby oil, a bunch of bottles of lube, which is not illegal to possess. No, there's nothing. You know, I just don't know why you need a thousand.

[Damaris]

Should raise some eyebrows, though. Yeah.

[Rory]

I don't know why I've never seen anybody finish one bottle of baby oil.

[Mal]

We all hoarded during the pandemic.

[Rory]

I don't. Yeah, I don't. I mean, still baby oil. Whatever. Whatever. I mean, I get it.

[Mal]

Puff is a nasty fuck. We knew that. I'm more curious where this is going to go. I think Puff is probably one of the most selfish people that we've seen in the music industry. I think he'll take a deal in a heartbeat. I think he'll snitch on anyone to get out of this. I think he'll start just telling them shit they're not even asking for. I think Puff is singing as we are talking right now.

[Damaris]

So you think getting out's a possibility, though? Because that's where I'm. Is that a thing? Can he get out?

[Rory]

I don't know if he can.

[Damaris]

So then I think he's going to.

[Rory]

Do sometime for sure. I think he's going to do he's going to do some jail time. It's not going to be something where he just cooperates and, you know, gives some names and, you know, he'll be let out free time served. Like this won't be. I don't think this is going that route. I do think he can save himself some years and not do as much time like he won't do. I don't think he will do the max that this case carries.

[Mal]

Believe the max is life.

[Rory]

Yeah, I don't think he'll get sentenced.

[Mal]

To that, but, I mean, they throw that on it.

[Rory]

Do I think we'll see puff serve probably 10 years? I think so. I think we'll probably see something like 10 years, 10, 15 years. But either way, what does this mean, though? Like, what does this mean? Because I think we're gonna hear some disturbing things about some people that we never thought we would hear. I think we're gonna see some disturbing things from people that we never thought we would see. A lot of things that people have probably denied throughout the years are gonna come to light and be proven to be true throughout all of this. So what does that mean for. I guess, you know, hate to use the word, but what does that mean for the culture moving forward when you see some of the people that we've championed and praised and supported for so long now probably doing some disgusting, disturbing things and listen to it and watch it play out in the court of law?

[Mal]

Well, I mean, when the raid happened at the. What was the end of March, early April in Miami and la, we did have that discussion, if you guys remember, of. Okay, are the feds rating to get footage to make sure it doesn't see the light of day, or are they doing this to. To actually arrest Puff? Are they aware that maybe there's certain people that are on camera and we need to seize all of this? I'm still kind of on that side. I don't know if we're going to get. Get the reveal that we all think we're gonna get.

[Rory]

What do you mean we're not gonna.

[Damaris]

Which would be. What. What's that?

[Mal]

The. The amount of names that we know Puff to be around. And of course, I've. I've hated to even watch anyone that's took a picture with Puff now on Twitter is considered a sex trafficker of children. They were like, oh, there's tapes of Obama on there. No, there's not. There's not. Obama's not getting freaky in Miami with Puff in his house. Come on. That didn't happen. Yeah, but there are a lot of names in the music industry that I think were that are very powerful people outside of music. I don't want to throw this on his jacket, but the number one name, Clive Davis who groom Puff. And I'm not even trying to make a joke when say groom, but we know Clive Davis was really who put Puff on and started this entire thing. I don't think we're going to get the reveal that we think even if it actually happened.

[Julian]

Yeah, I think people have been.

[Rory]

You don't think it's going to be any video footage of.

[Mal]

Nope.

[Rory]

No. Nope. Okay. I, I, I'm gonna play the other side.

[Mal]

Where I'm even confused too is the charges he has. And correct me if I'm wrong because we get so much fake information, I never know what's real or, or fake. Did they not also seize AR15s that had serial numbers scratched out?

[Damaris]

Three of them. 3.

[Mal]

Where the is their charges on that? Is that in the racketeering? Yeah, well, the charges don't even make sense to the stuff that we know.

[Damaris]

There's evidence of Puff doing and there's no drug charges. He had so many drugs.

[Rory]

Yeah, but I don't think he was selling drugs. He was using.

[Mal]

So.

[Damaris]

But he is possession.

[Mal]

So with, with all that said, I.

[Rory]

Think they didn't catch him with drugs though.

[Damaris]

When they seized the homes, didn't they find a bunch of 50 people that.

[Julian]

Live in the house?

[Rory]

I don't know if they, I don't know if they found drugs.

[Damaris]

But then after a certain point, once you cross a certain amount, isn't it possession with the intent to distribute. Isn't that what they, they arrested his.

[Mal]

Quote unquote drug dealer who he fled out in like two seconds.

[Rory]

Oh, that's the one that's you talking about singing.

[Damaris]

He got double Syracuse.

[Rory]

He got a double platinum ep.

[Mal]

They caught him on the tarmac. He sung on the tarmac.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever happened, do the video. I'm dripping like hot. I remember that. Hot, please. They hung the mic right there, the tall Mac for me. I'm like hot. They pulled up in them SUVs.

[Mal]

He knew what time he started talking like 6, 9. Did you also know Cardi B is a blood? Sir, we didn't ask you that.

[Rory]

He for sure that he's so weird singing his ass off, but he did already.

[Mal]

He played out.

[Rory]

But to me it's, it's, it's only the only reason why I'm, I'm on the other side of that is because when they raided his house and they went and got whatever they got, collected the evidence for them to then arrest him in New York after he was already in New York and was going to go to the courthouse. That's telling. Because now it's like, okay, if he finds out that we have certain pieces of evidence that he didn't think we had or that he thought that he had gotten rid of, he might flee, because he knows that there's no getting.

[Mal]

Away from that for sure.

[Rory]

And he has the money, he has the resources to disappear and go to a remote island and live out the rest of his life. So for them to pick him up when he was already due to turn himself in anyway. And it wasn't like he was hiding. He was on Instagram taking pictures, videos with everybody. So clearly, he was letting it be known. I am, which is probably part of it, too. Buff is smart. He probably was doing that and being outside with the people, knowing that these things will be posted and that the feds will see, I'm in New York. I'm not hiding. I'm not running. I'm not trying to go nowhere. I'm here. But for them to then pick him up in his hotel lobby, that's when you got to start questioning, like, why did they go arrest him if he was already going to go to court and turn himself in?

[Mal]

Because he may have been turning himself in for a completely different case and completely different charges.

[Rory]

Well, this is what I'm saying. So I think what they. Whatever they got, it was something that's so, you know, crazy. They like, oh, no, we got to go get him, pick him up right now. And then they denied his bail, offered him $50 million. But the feds don't care about money. But the fact that it was guns with serial number scratched off, I think that's why his bail was probably.

[Mal]

You're a billionaire and you live in Florida ar it's doing illegal with it.

[Julian]

Why would you want it to be connected to you?

[Damaris]

True.

[Mal]

I mean, I. I want to give you pushback, but in the. The Cassie paperwork, she said he was loading up because Suge was at a diner, like, recently. So, yeah, Damaris may have a point there.

[Rory]

And then what is it going to. What is it like?

[Mal]

He. He was ready to go kill Suge at a diner. What are you doing?

[Rory]

What happens now when we hear Cassie take the stand? Because she will take the stand. I think she has to take the stand.

[Mal]

I don't think she can. Oh, well, if it's criminal I don't know what was in their settlement moment. I don't know if she's allowed to. To speak the name Sean Combs, period.

[Rory]

No, none of those things are. Those are null and void now.

[Julian]

That doesn't matter.

[Rory]

That doesn't matter.

[Mal]

I'm not.

[Rory]

And all that. That is. That is out of here. That doesn't mean.

[Mal]

You see that she just can't talk about that case specifically.

[Rory]

You see that headline? United States vs Sean?

[Mal]

It was federal.

[Rory]

They don't give a fuck about none of that NDA. That means nothing. This is the United States.

[Mal]

So you think Cassie will be subpoenaed? Like she'll have to go.

[Rory]

Absolutely. Yeah, Absolutely.

[Julian]

That even if she hadn't done what she did, she was his partner for so many years, she was going to get subpoenaed anyway?

[Rory]

Absolutely. I.

[Mal]

Again, I don't know if this even goes to trial where anyone would have to take the stand.

[Julian]

There's that.

[Mal]

You think Puff is going to go to trial?

[Rory]

I can't see him pleading guilty to this, man.

[Mal]

I can. I can see him.

[Rory]

I think he's taking them all away. I think Puff gonna take this all the way. I think he taking it to trial.

[Julian]

I think his lawyers are advising him to take a deal.

[Rory]

I don't know, man. I can't see him pleading guilty to none of this shit.

[Julian]

Why?

[Rory]

I just don't see it. I don't. I don't see Puff standing up there and saying, I plead guilty to this, this, this, and this and this.

[Julian]

But you felt that same way about.

[Rory]

Or I mean, a bunch of things. Ego. And then he probably like, yo, like, I feel like I could beat this shit. So again, there's things that I think that Puff doesn't want to come out, doesn't want revealed that obviously now are going to be all. Everything's going to come out.

[Mal]

Well, then I guess to your point of him taking it to trial, I think that's a point. Why he wouldn't. Because everything will be revealed if there's not a plea deal. If they go to trial, it's gonna get crazy.

[Rory]

Yeah, but I just don't know if Puff is going to take that and just go sit down for 10, 15 years, because that's the mint. That's the mandatory minimum. I just don't know if Puff is going to do that, man. I don't know if he's going to go sit down like that, just pleading out and saying, yo, give me 10, 15 years. I just don't know if he's going to do that. I think he's going to fight for his freedom. I think he's going to fight for his name. I think he's gonna fight to clear his name. Now, we all know when the feds come get you. We know what their success rate is when they come get you. The case is already. This is done. What side of this do you want to end up on?

[Mal]

What does Puff's future even look like? Let's say Puff. Let's go with the conspiracy. He snitches and tells on everyone. The whole music business gets exposed. He does two years because he told on everyone. Does Puff going to witness protection?

[Rory]

No.

[Mal]

Like, what. What happens at that point?

[Rory]

Nothing.

[Mal]

That's why I'm so confused about where this case is going to go. Every scenario is two weeks ago nuts to me.

[Rory]

The same shit that just happened two weeks ago. People be outside in New York. People don't want to take pictures with him. They don't want to fucking post themselves on Instagram with them. Like, people don't. We have to understand that the things that we think people care about and would really upset and frustrate people. A lot of people don't care because you know what? He didn't do it to me. It didn't happen to me. I'm not one of those victims. That's just the mentality that people take on a lot of things these days. Oh, a lot do that to me.

[Julian]

A lot of people are. A lot of people are saying, why are y'all. Why are y'all committing Puff to the knife or to the steak for just being freaky? People are, like, literally just boiling it.

[Rory]

This is what I'm saying.

[Julian]

Freaky.

[Rory]

This is. This is what I'm saying. So when you say, oh, if he snitch and he do this, he do that, where's he gonna do it? Nothing. He gonna be doing the same. He was just doing. We. We just saw it. We just saw it. We just saw it last week, two weeks ago, him walking around and we like, yo, like, did y'all. Do y'all not know the he facing? Did we not just see the Cassie tape? And he lied because, remember, before the Cassie tape came out, never happened, he posted some like, yo, they trying to assassinate my character. That whole thing he posted on this, it might still even be on his Instagram because he didn't delete it after the Cassie video came out, it was still up there. So it's like we have all of these things. And again, I like to have these conversations because this is not the only example instance of this happening. This is happening more than we think and more than we can imagine. I just like the fact that now it's a conversation and we're talking about it. Cause it's like, yo, a lot of people are doing things behind the scenes, behind closed doors that are not right. It's not, you know, people are being assaulted, abused, and this is shit that we need to talk about. So when you say, if he snitches, how are people gonna react? The same way they've been reacting. It didn't happen to me. They lying on him. He didn't do that. They trying to tear down the black man, Dr. Umar, saying, It's a distraction for the election. It's like, wait, what election's still happening? No, but they're saying, but now we're not asking Kamala what she's gonna do for black people. We're not asking Trump what he's gonna do for black people. Cause we too busy gossiping and trying to dissect the Puff case. So now we not even interested in what Trump or Kamala are trying to do for us. It's all about Puff and talking about Puff. And Puff got arrested. So we already starting to see the things that people are like, oh, whatever. We don't care about that.

[Mal]

It's a little insulting that black people.

[Julian]

Can'T focus on more than one thing.

[Mal]

Apparently, that's a little insulting point.

[Rory]

I'm just telling you already the conversations that are being thrown out there sounds like projecting.

[Mal]

I think most human beings can focus on both things at once.

[Rory]

I'm just telling you. So when you say, what's going to happen? My response to that, Rory? Nothing. It's going to be regular business as usual.

[Mal]

If he takes it to trial, what's going to be a little up is I think a lot of our favorite entertainers are going to be in paperwork where they're actually not guilty of anything but having consensual sex with a prostitute that is of age. And because they're in the puff paperwork, they're going to be looked at as some pedophile. That's part of the deep state. That's really where I think a lot of this is going to go.

[Rory]

It's happened. We've seen it before.

[Mal]

Usher deleted his tweets.

[Rory]

What was that about?

[Damaris]

He said he was hacked and Pink did. Allegedly, too.

[Mal]

What did Usher tweet that would have been so crazy?

[Julian]

No, no, now because they're gone.

[Mal]

Did Usher tweet like that? That.

[Rory]

No, I'VE never seen a Usher tweet go viral where he said some, and it was like, yo, what? And that's literally tickets on sale now, Madison Square Garden tonight. Like that. Like, okay, tour's over, I guess, so delete that.

[Julian]

The only thing I could think is that maybe if you are tweeting where you're at or, like, what you're doing at the moment, it can place you somewhere that you might not want to officially have let it known that you were there. If that makes.

[Rory]

Okay, the Maris we've seen seen countless videos from at Club Love. I promise, Usher deleting his tweets will do nothing. If he was there, we gonna see that moonwalking all across the living room.

[Mal]

Also, if all of Twitter can find your old tweets, I think the feds can.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah. That's just a safe. That's a safe bet.

[Julian]

He said he was hacked. He said he was hacked. He said he doesn't know why the person who hacked him deleted it, but he said it was that.

[Damaris]

What do you guys feel about Kevin Lyle stepping down?

[Rory]

That was interesting.

[Mal]

Yeah. But again, the timing was very interesting. But in no way do I want to put anything on Kevin Lyle's jacket right? Without any evidence when it comes to this type of shit.

[Rory]

And that's. And that's the up part.

[Damaris]

Because every move's gonna look like it's.

[Rory]

Every move is gonna look like a reaction to this. This whole puff shit. Like, every move. You can't. If you catch a cold right now, like, oh, this nigga just trying to act like he's sick. Cause he don't want to go to court. Thought I have nothing to do with that. That has nothing to do with saying.

[Julian]

Y'All was in London because y'all didn't want to be extradited. Like, that's what they said.

[Rory]

Who said that?

[Damaris]

There's a few people that were out of the country when this happened, and they were like, ooh, wonder why. It's like, I don't know. No, just other people, too.

[Mal]

I've been to a puff party. I don't think I'm in the paperwork, though.

[Rory]

You actually snuck into a puff party, which is crazy.

[Julian]

Sneaking, not gonna freak off his thirst.

[Damaris]

Or he snuck in to give a toast.

[Rory]

They didn't even know he was there. He just showed up during the toast.

[Damaris]

Showed up with his own.

[Rory]

He's like, in another thing, another glass.

[Mal]

I actually toasted to puff and what a amazing, safe environment he's created for all of us.

[Damaris]

Like, I gave one of those, it's almost too safe.

[Mal]

I will say, though, the only, like, super high level person I did see at that was Al Sharpton, and he's already a FBI informant, so I think he'll be fine.

[Rory]

Yeah, he was there. That's the. Actually, he was there on behalf of the show. Actually. He may be the. He may be the one that brought the whole. Yeah, yeah, he brought this whole shit down.

[Mal]

Yeah, he's one of the biggest FBI informants ever. So, you know.

[Rory]

Yeah, I mean, this whole Diddy shit, you know, again, we're gonna find out and hear about some things that may shock us, may not. Some people already feel like, you know, this is all things that have been known. Some people feel like this is all just another attempt to tear down a black successful man. Whichever side of this you on, I think, you know, once this thing starts to. Once the trial starts to happen, because again, I do think there'll be a trial. I don't see Puff pleading and copping out to any of these charges. I just. I don't see it.

[Mal]

I. I don't think there's going to be a gray area to close. My only prediction is this could end up being the craziest fucking thing ever or just nothing. Something we just move past. Oh, no, it's going to within a year.

[Rory]

It ain't going to never be not nothing, nothing. The feds don't come get you for nothing.

[Damaris]

Nothing. That was my thing. When I had the. The tweet I wrote and I was thinking about Epstein's case, I was like, they're just playing in our face like that whole Epstein ring and empire. Who else went down besides him? I mean, he died, they killed him, whatever. But Ghi Lane is doing her little stint. You're telling me only two people in that entire operation went down? Two people just tell me to go myself, right?

[Mal]

No, two people. Prince Harry did an interview where they were like, why were you with Jeffrey Epstein in Central park after he was arrested for trafficking children?

[Rory]

Prince Harry was with Jeffrey Epstein.

[Mal]

Or Prince, whatever.

[Rory]

Prince, I'm about to say, don't put that on Harry's jacket, man. Don't do that.

[Mal]

He was never to another Ginger.

[Damaris]

I'm sorry, didn't he say.

[Mal]

He said, I'm doing the honorable thing.

[Damaris]

And he also say, I don't sweat.

[Mal]

Sweat, yes.

[Damaris]

He was like, couldn't be me. I don't sweat. And there's a photo of. It's him. We can see you. It's you.

[Mal]

So there was a girl that was underage that he had partied with and at a London club. And she had described like in detail about the entire thing. And she described the smell of his sweat, like in her paperwork. And Prince Andrew went on an interview with 60 Minutes, I think it was. And was like, well, that's impossible because at that time I had a disease where I couldn't sweat, that I don't sweat.

[Damaris]

Couldn't have been me. Then they just showed these photos. They're like, this is you.

[Mal]

Then they asked, Then they asked.

[Damaris]

And that's the girl. I don't.

[Rory]

And that's Ghislaine right there. Yeah.

[Mal]

Then, then they asked why were you in Central park with Jeffrey Epstein after he was arrested for these things? Oh, I thought I was being honorable by telling him we can't be seen in public anymore. And then they go, well, you stayed at his house for a week after that meeting. It's like a hotel. It was coming. I didn't even see him.

[Rory]

Oh man.

[Mal]

But I don't think anyone's gonna answer. It's not gonna, it's not gonna happen. You think Clive Davis, anyone, the. The highest in music period, are going to have to answer for this? No.

[Rory]

So let me ask you something.

[Mal]

They don't care enough about this.

[Rory]

You don't think Puff is gonna do any jail time?

[Mal]

No, I think my, my theory of this will either be the craziest ever, or Puff will just do 10 years and everyone will move on. Nothing will be exposed. Puff will take a plea deal. We'll never know exactly what happened.

[Rory]

Exposing like things coming. Yeah, okay.

[Mal]

Puff will take a plea, do 10 years, probably do eight of eight of those years, and everyone will move the fuck on. Will never see a fucking thing. We have no idea who was at the Freak Offs. Every conspiracy we have will just be debunked in a second and everyone will move the fuck on. This won't be as crazy as we think it is right now.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mal]

That's really where I think shit, shit will go. But I also think there's a world where this could get nuts. I hope it goes to the nut side, because I want anyone that did some nasty shit to be exposed for it. Especially in the music business. If y'all was doing freaky nasty shit unconsensually, hell yes. Get every last person unconsen Puff, snitch on everyone.

[Julian]

But I do feel bad, like you said, Rory, about the people who were just at the Freak Offs. Cause I could see, I could see 25 year old me getting pulled into a freak off and not knowing what everybody else was doing, not knowing that this person shouldn't be here, that this person is underage. Right. This. This isn't consensual. And you just in there getting freaky, lathered up with baby oil, sliding around like a wet seal. And you don't even know that there are crimes going on around you outside of the crime of prostitution, which we kind of, like, ignore. But you don't know that there's, like, crimes going on around you, do we? Prostitution people know that, like, people hire prostitutes.

[Mal]

Again, gray area, because I think there is a lot of sex trafficking that. That women end up being prostitutes against their will, forced into that lifestyle. But there's also women that are just completely fine of age being prostitutes. And I don't think it. It's a crime, or if it is a crime, we shouldn't look down on a rapper that pays for consensual sex of a woman of age that chose to get into prostitution.

[Rory]

Well, yes, as long as everything is consensual and people are of age, legal age, then, you know.

[Mal]

And again, I know prostitution is a crime. I'm saying morally, like, that's what they want to do.

[Rory]

Cool.

[Mal]

And I think some people that have nothing to do with puffs. Real nasty, unconsensual, are gonna get caught up in that paperwork that just happen to be at the freak off.

[Rory]

What's your man that owns the Bunny Ranch? What's his name?

[Damaris]

The Bunny Ranch?

[Rory]

Yeah, In. In Nevada.

[Julian]

Oh, I forgot his name.

[Mal]

Lamar Odom.

[Rory]

Well, no, Lamar.

[Julian]

That's why I really wanted to go when we were in Vegas. Rory wouldn't take me.

[Mal]

He never brought it up. I would have went to the Bunny Ranch. How far was it from downtown Vegas?

[Julian]

It's like an hour drive, I think.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, we could have done that.

[Rory]

Yo, the marriage weighs the Bunny Ranch. Put that in ways from a hotel. Like, how long would it take? How much is an Uber?

[Mal]

Imagine she had alternate traffic routes.

[Damaris]

Dennis Hoffman.

[Rory]

Yeah, so he.

[Damaris]

He passed. Yeah, he. He ran it from 92 till 2018 when he passed in 2018.

[Julian]

Yo, dying at the. Not dying at the Bunny Ranch, but dying with that as your job is crazy.

[Mal]

Lamar tried.

[Julian]

I wonder if you get a discount.

[Damaris]

Oh, my God. This is even sicker. Ron Jeremy found his body and tried to revive him with another woman.

[Rory]

Yeah, he died at the. He dotted the ranch.

[Damaris]

Right. That's a sick imagine. Ron Jeremy being your last chance at lifeline.

[Rory]

Yeah, you might as well just let me go.

[Mal]

He could be proficient in cpr.

[Rory]

He's not. I saw him. I've seen him. I've seen him on Sunset Boulevard. He's nothing about.

[Mal]

He doesn't look healthy to you?

[Rory]

No.

[Damaris]

Eight and a half.

[Mal]

He probably runs a four.

[Julian]

Four one, 4.4.

[Rory]

I can promise you. Ron Jeremy doesn't run a 441. I could promise never.

[Mal]

That's because he was walking on Sunset. Patty started jogging.

[Rory]

Like, oh, look, he got some wheels. Who?

[Damaris]

Yeah, he got jammed up. He's doing time.

[Rory]

Jeremy up. It's over. He gonna die in there. Because when I seen him on Sunset, I thought. I thought he was dead. I thought Ron Jeremy had died. And then he walked out of this restaurant on Sunset. I was like, that's Ron Jeremy. I thought he died like 10 years.

[Mal]

Is that my mask?

[Rory]

Yo, that's wrong.

[Damaris]

He got charged with 30 sexual assault counts from 21 victims.

[Julian]

Jesus Christ.

[Rory]

Wait, what?

[Mal]

I didn't look into the ron Jeremy.

[Damaris]

Yeah, 34 criminal counts.

[Rory]

Officially.

[Damaris]

I mean, come on. That face.

[Rory]

No, they have officially been dismissed. Ah, see, don't put that on Ron jacket.

[Damaris]

Well, all right. Yeah. Yeah. In 2021, he pled not guilty to over 30 consensuals. So 12 rapes. Jesus Christ.

[Mal]

Yeah, like, porn worlds is weird.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's crazy, man.

[Julian]

It's a different world.

[Rory]

Look at him.

[Damaris]

That's a sick mug shot.

[Julian]

People were him.

[Mal]

That's. That was the face of porn at one point.

[Damaris]

Yeah, he was. He was like, the.

[Julian]

The man was his, like, dig big. Or like, why was he the face?

[Damaris]

He's swinging.

[Mal]

Yeah, he's eight and a half.

[Damaris]

It's off.

[Rory]

I'm just saying. Julian, listen, you. You my guy. But just to say a swinging is crazy.

[Damaris]

Well, you know better than I. This is. I'm just saying.

[Rory]

I'm just saying. But I.

[Damaris]

More of a Johnny S, though.

[Rory]

Did you hear me sit here and say, yeah, he's swinging? Damaris asked the question, and I was ready to go into the next topic.

[Mal]

You're from the VHS era. Like, you literally put a tape.

[Rory]

Yeah, but homie over here said, yeah, he's swinging. Like, what is that?

[Damaris]

Yeah, mall. Did you rewind it when you return it to Blockbuster or how do you for porn?

[Rory]

You thought. You thought I could get a porn.

[Mal]

There was not a porn area at Blockbuster.

[Rory]

So what is he asking? There wasn't at Blockbuster.

[Julian]

You had to get that from, like, the sex toy store that had, like, the peep shows in the back room.

[Rory]

That was very specific. Damaris, have you been there?

[Julian]

Yes, I have.

[Rory]

Okay. Okay.

[Mal]

I Will ask though, like, when you were watching the vhs, I assume after like, post nut clarity, you're like, what am I doing, yo? Did you rewind?

[Damaris]

That's what I'm saying.

[Mal]

Or like, the next time you wanted to watch it, it was already like, halfway through.

[Rory]

Yeah, you start right there. Beautiful part of vhs. Yeah.

[Damaris]

Mall was not lying.

[Mal]

Did you know that the like, time code of like, your favorite parts.

[Rory]

No, just. It wasn't. No time codes. You just. Was just watching and then you could.

[Mal]

Tell, like, okay, but on the vcr, didn't it usually say on some of them.

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah, like timestamps.

[Rory]

Yeah, it'll play. But it's a. You learn to ignore that, though. You can just. You can just eyeball the scene. Like, I know it's great to happen now. That's how we come from the eyeball.

[Damaris]

Do you guys like to watch?

[Mal]

This is where Ron delivers pizza.

[Damaris]

Do you like the build up? I think I know Rory's answer. Pause. Do you guys like the. The build up in the story or do you just like to get to the shits? Rory likes the story.

[Mal]

I need a storyline.

[Damaris]

See who listen who watches.

[Julian]

I'm saying fast forward to five seconds.

[Rory]

Before they know Rory watches.

[Damaris]

Like, I wonder if he's gonna be.

[Mal]

Yeah, no, God, Ma'am, I don't care.

[Rory]

That your husband is going out of town on the business trip. Get naked and get to it.

[Damaris]

Like, I don't give a about curious. How do they end up situation.

[Rory]

I promise you I'm not.

[Mal]

I like when I'm not even sure. Like, damn, I hope he beats like you think.

[Rory]

You think you're watching a porn and he's not gonna.

[Mal]

That's how much I get engulfed in the storyline.

[Damaris]

What if she says no?

[Mal]

He would politely leave then you don't like a storyline?

[Rory]

No, not important.

[Mal]

Really?

[Rory]

Yes, really. I don't peach. No.

[Mal]

I feel like it's a little invasive.

[Rory]

Get right to it.

[Mal]

I also. I also am, like, not big on just a man and a woman. Just like I need a threesome. Like, I feel like I'm. It's a privacy thing.

[Rory]

Yes. You watching porn should be funny.

[Damaris]

Rory says I've been on a threesome kick lately in terms of just, like, watching. It's nice to have that extra body in the room just to break it up.

[Mal]

Because I feel like when it's just the man and the woman, I feel like this is too intimate. I shouldn't be seeing this. This is what you guys are doing in your own private time when it's More of a group thing. I feel like, all right, cool.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I'm a part of it.

[Mal]

I don't feel like a weird peeping Tom at that point. Yeah, this is a group activity. Just a man and a woman fucking. Like, what are you doing?

[Rory]

I feel you.

[Mal]

Turn the camera off. No, this is a.

[Rory]

She looks great.

[Mal]

This is sacred. This is a nuclear couple in love.

[Damaris]

Porn sucks. POV porn. That angle's never as.

[Mal]

Never did that.

[Julian]

Wait, what? What?

[Mal]

What?

[Julian]

What?

[Damaris]

POV is like what the guy from the POV is?

[Julian]

Yeah, it's from the. It's from the guy's perspective. So, like, it would, like, the camera would be, like, here. It's like. So it's kind of like what you make. When you make porn.

[Mal]

It's.

[Julian]

I know people from your point of view. Yeah, I don't mind.

[Mal]

I like it when I do it. I don't.

[Damaris]

Yeah, it sucks, but I don't like when something stupid.

[Julian]

Why do you want to see him? Why don't you want to see what he's seeing? Why you want to. You want to see him in the porn?

[Damaris]

I don't. It's just better angles. Like, if it's not. This angle sucks.

[Mal]

He's a film buff.

[Damaris]

This angle suck. Yes. This angle's.

[Mal]

He loves the art of.

[Damaris]

I want more cinematography. I want more of a wide. Like, give me. Yeah, I want to see the room. I don't.

[Rory]

He's from the school of Stanley Kubrick, this guy.

[Julian]

Eyes Wide Shut. I'm crying.

[Damaris]

I know. I'm not wrong, though, so.

[Rory]

No, you're crazy. You're not wrong. You're crazy.

[Mal]

Where Republicans have a point where porn is ruining our society is the guys that put the. The VR. Because I see that on porn now there's, like, an option for VR.

[Julian]

Really?

[Mal]

Yeah. You can put on, like, VR. They have specific porn that's shot for VR.

[Rory]

I don't. I don't. I don't need to be.

[Mal]

You are on a different. Porn is a problem now.

[Julian]

Now I want to try. Now I want to buy the glasses. Now I want to buy the glasses.

[Mal]

Just fuck a human.

[Rory]

You know how crazy it is for you to be masturbating the marriage with a VR headset on? And then you take the headset on, and your two homegirls are standing there looking at you in the room like, what the fuck are you doing?

[Julian]

You know, Alex, you in there?

[Rory]

Butt, ass.

[Mal]

Just like Alex.

[Julian]

Just walking to be.

[Rory]

Yeah, you don't hear nobody. VR headset on. Loud as fuck. You can't see shit. All you hear, ass slapping. You take them headsets off and your homegirl standing right there.

[Julian]

I'm in the kitchen. Leg up. No idea how I got there.

[Rory]

Yo, what are you doing? Oh, and if it's the po, you gotta walk. Like, you gotta follow her. You gotta follow her into the room.

[Mal]

Start in the living room, and after you nut, you wake up in a whole different room.

[Julian]

Y'all laughing that dude kind of sound.

[Rory]

Yo, what if the porn did the shit? What was that? That game that had people, like, following? Was that Pokemon? Yeah, Pokemon Go.

[Damaris]

Pokemon Go, Yeah.

[Rory]

Imagine if they did that with porn one.

[Mal]

You gotta find the girl.

[Rory]

Like, yeah, like, oh, that's fire.

[Julian]

But it's only a bit like, the bad is all hidden in Central Park.

[Mal]

That's why Diddy was there.

[Rory]

Was there?

[Julian]

That's not funny.

[Damaris]

Wow, that's funny.

[Rory]

I'm sorry. That was dark. Beep it.

[Damaris]

Beep it.

[Julian]

That was. That was dark.

[Mal]

Dark.

[Damaris]

That was awesome. Gun.

[Rory]

They had the headsets or what? They didn't know they was essential. They started out in Harlem. Who you mean? What you looking at me like that for?

[Mal]

I'm not.

[Damaris]

Once you catch the porn star, would you then put the headset on and. Fuck no.

[Julian]

You had the headset on, too. Fine. You can't see her without the headset.

[Mal]

Because with Pokemon Go, you had your phone and you, like, just followed. You could only see it.

[Rory]

What if they did that with porn? Like the Pokemon Go?

[Mal]

That's what she's saying.

[Rory]

Porn edition. Like, Jada Stevens is at the Santa Monica Pier, butt naked right now, waiting.

[Julian]

You just jump in the water, wouldn't you?

[Rory]

You me drown, but show.

[Julian]

Now I'm all drunk.

[Rory]

All this. All this up right in the water.

[Mal]

I love that you chose, like, one of the most public places in Los Angeles. Like, that's where. That's where people are going to beat off.

[Rory]

That's where the Pokemon Go was at. They was like, yo. Some dude ran past me like, yo, so what's your name? I didn't know what it was.

[Damaris]

Bulbasaur.

[Rory]

I said, what is that? Next thing I know, the whole pier was flooded.

[Mal]

Who would be like, the Charizard of that? What was the main Pokemon with the fire?

[Rory]

Charizard.

[Damaris]

Charizard. Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Wasn't he, like, one of the best?

[Rory]

Charizard? I don't know who.

[Damaris]

Charizard. Yeah, he was like one of the goats.

[Mal]

It was like one of the biggest Pokemon, I think.

[Rory]

Oh, okay. Yeah.

[Julian]

My Charizard would be Kieran Noir.

[Rory]

You could just do.

[Damaris]

I was thinking of a redhead because Charizard represented fire and was red.

[Rory]

Oh, man. I got names.

[Damaris]

Winona Ryder.

[Mal]

Just have in your top five. Right. Right there.

[Rory]

Abigail Morris. You said redhead head.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

Yeah, go.

[Damaris]

I got a list you can do. Buy. Buy hair color. Jesus.

[Julian]

Who's your favorite blondes?

[Rory]

Savannah Bond.

[Damaris]

Is Alexis Texas blond.

[Rory]

Yes, for sure. Alexis Texas for sure. Goat.

[Mal]

Yeah. I wasn't again, wasn't familiar with her work when we sat down with her.

[Rory]

Alexis. How could you not be familiar with her?

[Damaris]

This Savannah, she got some heavies.

[Mal]

She's been posting on IG stories lately and looking and I think I might even send her a fire emoji.

[Rory]

Alexis. Yeah, Alexis been.

[Mal]

She's been looking great on Instagram.

[Julian]

Porn stars don't care about no fire emoji. Send a cash app.

[Rory]

Send a cash app. With a cash app.

[Mal]

I think I'm setting Alexis Texas a cash app. For what?

[Julian]

A tip. They got tips on IG and. And Twitter now. Great content.

[Mal]

I'm gonna stick with my fire emojis. I could go on pornhub for free.

[Julian]

And see, but that's not tipping. Like, I could get my bagel for free, but I like the way the girl wrapped it up to me. Great customer service. I'll tip her.

[Mal]

I mean, with her. With her it's different because I know her as a person before I knew her as that. Like, we had it.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

He really, like, I can't take the, like, you know, the front goggles off.

[Rory]

You got to know on a different level.

[Damaris]

Yeah. It's hard to see her. Yeah, I'm sorry.

[Mal]

It's hard to see her.

[Julian]

We got voicemails, man.

[Mal]

Yes. Let's get to voicemails. Do you like. What was the girl you just said?

[Julian]

Kira.

[Mal]

Yeah. Do you like her before or after the boob job?

[Rory]

I like her boob job.

[Julian]

I like her. It doesn't look bad, but I like.

[Mal]

It doesn't look bad, but I like it.

[Rory]

It looks good. It looks good.

[Mal]

Pre boob job.

[Damaris]

I usually don't like a boob job. They can always go too hard. When is porn going to do?

[Julian]

Like, the more realistic they do, but it's just they. They film too early. You have to wait for them to drop. And the girls got to go to work. They can't wait for them to drop. So they just be up there stuff.

[Rory]

Yeah, Just up in the stuck.

[Mal]

Let's get to voicemail.

[Damaris]

All right. Voicemails. This is fun. We have. Speaking of a new listener. This is a voicemail from a new listener.

[Rory]

You've got mail. Yo, yo, what's up, y'all? This is Danny. I'm actually a new listener. I just started listening to y'all probably like, what, two, three months ago, but not a dilemma, but just a situation. Long story short, me and my girl, madly in love. We've been dating four years. Plan to propose next year. Actually, we run into the same argument over and over. Not a serious one, but it kind of gets tense. A lot of my family, I'm from Alabama. A lot of my family, they're from Atlanta. So we would go to the strip clubs. Like, me and my cousins, like, real, like, casual. Like, it's not really, like, a thing. Because majority of my family, like I said, they're from there, there. So I'll, you know, invite her. Like, hey, you want to come or me? You can go. And she'll just get up. And I was like, don't ever take me to a strip club. This is terrible. Like, you just gonna be looking at women getting hard. You're not saying shit.

[Julian]

Shit like that.

[Rory]

So I'm not, like, dying to go to a strip club. We haven't been to a strip club since we've been together. But is this more like a Something I just need to give up, or is this, like, an insecurity she should get over? Would love to hear your thoughts, especially you. The marriage, baby. D. So, yeah, love the pod And.

[Julian]

Yeah, Dumper.

[Mal]

What? Yeah, but I don't know. I mean, if the strip club doesn't mean that much to you, like, it.

[Julian]

Means that much to him. He called into the podcast.

[Mal]

Who gives a.

[Julian]

It means that much to him. He's pretending it don't mean as much to him as it do. He like going to the strip club, and I think he really wants to.

[Mal]

Be able to go to that.

[Rory]

Yeah, like, you should be able to go to the strip club, man. Like, you. Yeah. What are we talking about?

[Mal]

I agree. In the south, that's, like, really some cultural. Where it's not.

[Rory]

That's church.

[Mal]

You don't go there to get hard. Like, that's. It's the club, more or less. First time I ever went to Atlanta for atl, Greek went with my frat brother. His dad lived down there. His dad's stepmom sister took all of us to the strip club like it was a family outing.

[Damaris]

You were hard.

[Mal]

I did not get hard. No, but it. I did realize that this is a real cultural thing. Like, everyone goes to strip club club. It's not the way we view the strip club up here. So explain that to her then.

[Julian]

It's. It's a little sleazier up here. A little bit sleazier up here.

[Rory]

Sleazier. They don't even get.

[Mal]

It's not a thing up here.

[Damaris]

It's not a thing. Yeah, it's like it used to be. The stigma is, like, it's more nefarious here, whereas, like, there, it's like going to a hookah lounge.

[Rory]

It's like going to Hooters.

[Mal]

Not even it. It's like going to an actual regular club or lounge down.

[Damaris]

Hookah lounge, so.

[Mal]

But she's from the south, right? Didn't he say that?

[Damaris]

How does she not understand that she not from Atlanta.

[Rory]

She ain't got to be from Atlanta to understand the culture of Atlanta. I'm not from Atlanta. I understand the culture.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but I mean, it's different where you can understand it. But now, if, like, the person you're dating still wants to do those things, then in her mind, as someone that doesn't understand it, she's like, well, why does he still want to be around all these women when he has me?

[Mal]

She. He should play shits and gigs, podcast for her. There's no baddies down there, so, like, I'm not even going to get hard.

[Damaris]

It's like, look, babe, there's not.

[Mal]

There's one. One baddie in this entire scene, so what the fuck? No, I'm there for the art.

[Rory]

I can promise you, if shits and gigs would have walked in Magic City, their whole perception of Atlanta would have changed.

[Mal]

To answer this correctly, and, like, jokes aside, that's a red flag in my opinion. Yeah.

[Rory]

If your girl doesn't want you to go to a strip club. But I mean, also, she's gonna have.

[Mal]

Issues with way more things if there's a problem.

[Rory]

That's with strip club. If you do like somebody enough and you want to be with them, that's not a hard ass. If you like the girl enough, if she says that like, y'all, if you like her enough, it's like, all right, whatever. I ain't really gotta be in there.

[Mal]

I don't think I've ever dated or talked to a girl that would have an issue with me going to the strip club.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

But if I would, I would find it kind of weird.

[Rory]

But if you like the girl enough, like, yo, I really like this girl. And she was like, yo, I'm gonna be honest with you. I really don't like the fact that you be in a strip club. Like every week.

[Mal]

I just don't even know if I would ever date that personality.

[Julian]

You would. And so I was about to say, I don't want to. I don't want it to appear like we're saying that there's something wrong with her. She's wrong for feeling this way because there's so many different parts of not major cities that we live in where there are just girls that were raised a certain way, good Christian girls, and they think that all of that shit is nefarious and wrong and satany like, and that you go, you're going to the strip club to be sleazy and to cheat. There is that perception around it. We just live in a different world. So that's a red flag for us.

[Rory]

People have the wrong perception of what a strip club is. I think, like you not in the strip club. Like now, granted, if you spending money like that and you know somebody you connect in the Strip, you could definitely fuck in one of them rooms for sure. But if you're just a guy who seems like this guy who just goes and just to go and hang out, like, you don't really know the manager, the owner, you're not spending money like that. You just in there watching ass and having a drink.

[Julian]

But she's worried that he's getting hard. That you.

[Rory]

Yeah, but if he getting hard there and he coming home and he putting you up against the wall like a Basquiat, what's the problem? Right?

[Damaris]

What?

[Rory]

That's the problem.

[Mal]

That's funny.

[Rory]

If he nailing you to the wall, he at the strip club all night, he turned on horn.

[Mal]

You sound like one of those women that says, as long as he comes home to me.

[Rory]

Yeah, well, that's because that's a real thing.

[Julian]

Yeah, I don't.

[Rory]

Women, women feel like that. Yeah. Go out in the strip club, but.

[Julian]

Don'T me just because you like another got you horny, so. And you just gonna. You really want to her, but you just coming home and me off your horniness from another. I don't really like that either.

[Mal]

But why I think it's a red flag in general is, is if she's scared that he's going to the strip club and quote, unquote, getting hard. Instagram could get you hard at that point. Like, yeah, he has to delete women from his life at that point.

[Damaris]

He's hard.

[Mal]

You see women half naked at every corner you take. You don't have to go to a strip club to see a naked woman.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that's true.

[Mal]

You go to the beach and see a naked woman.

[Damaris]

I get hard on walks to the studio.

[Mal]

I. All right, I don't know where that point ties into.

[Damaris]

What I'm just saying, boners just happen. Like, stuff just happened.

[Mal]

What are you going through puberty?

[Rory]

You might, you know, I'm sitting here and I'm trying to, like, analyze you. You might be autistic a little bit. Bit.

[Mal]

Apologize to me for saying that about Game.

[Damaris]

That was different.

[Julian]

You said Game had bpd.

[Rory]

No, he gave him like, four different.

[Julian]

Yeah, you, you, you treated that like he was Zendaya and Euphoria.

[Rory]

He gave him like, four different diagnosis.

[Damaris]

Like, Roy wrote him a script.

[Rory]

Yeah, bipolar.

[Damaris]

Take these twice a day.

[Rory]

You gave him all kind of.

[Mal]

I called him a pyro adhd.

[Rory]

You called him a what?

[Mal]

Pyro. Well, you guys misheard me.

[Julian]

I, I, I get the joke.

[Mal]

It's fine.

[Julian]

It's fine.

[Mal]

You guys didn't hear my put the DP and DP joke, so I'm just gonna sit on the side today.

[Damaris]

That was from like an hour and a half ago.

[Rory]

Why are you bringing that back up? Rory be mad when his jokes don't.

[Mal]

Because I need therapy. Because I agree with the people in the comments that, yeah, I want people to laugh my jokes.

[Rory]

They're like, yeah, whenever his jokes. Don't let he be heated. I worked on that for seven hours last night.

[Mal]

Because I was anticipating the, the porn conversation. But I'm leaning into what they say about me.

[Rory]

I like it.

[Julian]

I really like strip clubs. I couldn't date a man who didn't want me in strip clubs.

[Rory]

You like women, Damaris.

[Julian]

I know, but what I'm, I'm telling him, I really like strip clubs, and I wouldn't want to be with a man who didn't want me in strip clubs. So if you are comfortable never going to a strip club again, then stay with her. But if that's something that you really like to do, then just, she gonna have to either get with it or get lost.

[Damaris]

And he's what the mayor said. Like, he sounded like. He's like, I don't even really care for strip clubs. It's not really my thing. It's just like, that's what I'm saying. So it's like, all right, if you really don't care, just, it's not even.

[Rory]

Something that's that serious worth you being with that girl. Like, yeah, that's just the beginning of her. Because now when she see that, you give into her dislikes, like, all right, I'm not gonna do that. Then she gonna start saying, oh, that was easy. Like, let me find something else. I don't like that he be doing and throw that out there and see if he'll come up off of it as easily as he did the strip club. That's just how the mind works sometimes.

[Julian]

Speaking of that, I was at a. At a event recently and there were a bunch on, you know, I had some light, you know, jeans, body was looking right, whatever, crop, whatever.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

And I was at an event and it was a bunch of married, like, couples. And they were like around our age. Like around. Around me and Julian's age.

[Damaris]

You had a swingers party?

[Julian]

No, it was just like a party, but everybody there was married. So the women, the way that they look at, like the single girl that walks in now, I like, I'm like, I've gotten to the age where I'm like. They look at me like I'm a apex predator. Like, like, I'm like, hi. They like, everybody like, arm on a man like this. I'm like, oh my. Like, I didn't know what we were at that age. Now, like, that's a real thing. You see that in like movies and. But yes.

[Mal]

Why do you think men are so miserable? Because they have to hang out with other couples all the time.

[Damaris]

Oh, sounds awful.

[Mal]

Like they can't hang out with their single friends because. Yeah. Women that are in relationships, view to your point of the apex predator, they were one single women. So I feel like they're kind of snitching on themselves. Like you. That's how I met you, single. So what were you doing that you feel that it is such. Such a risk to have single women around you? Like, what type of hoe shit were you doing? Like, that's. I just feel like they're telling themselves.

[Rory]

When they do that.

[Julian]

I'm just here for the potato salad, baby. I don't.

[Rory]

Yeah, but they look at it like they. Yeah, like you might be a homeworld.

[Mal]

But why would you view that unless you were a home wrecker?

[Julian]

And on top of that, there's no.

[Mal]

Did you break up.

[Rory]

Why would you feel like.

[Mal]

Did you break up relationships when you were single? Why do you think any woman that's single would be a threat or you.

[Rory]

Feel like your home could be wrecked?

[Julian]

Thank you.

[Mal]

That as well.

[Julian]

Thank you.

[Rory]

You know what I'm saying? You feel like, damn. Like, shorty, she looked better than me. She got nicer body than me. Like, my man, I know if he attracted to me, he got to be Attracted to her.

[Mal]

She don't have the genius.

[Rory]

And if she ain't got no man, she walking here single, no man, no nothing. It's like, like, uh, what time she leaving?

[Julian]

That's what it was on. It was like, I'm like, damn. Like I'm just trying to be nice, like play games.

[Rory]

Nah, you can't be nice. You can't be nice. That's your problem. You can't be single and nice. You gotta be a bitch and be single. Yeah, that's how I go. If you go in there like baring like baked goods and shit like that, like you came in here with warm banana bread. Who is this bitch? This bitch got warm banana bread. And no man and my man love banana bread.

[Damaris]

Like that sounds amazing.

[Rory]

Yeah, like what? Gonna be at the spot and a cute single woman walk in with warm banana bread and not go over there, kiss him. Every gonna be looking like, nah, I ain't gonna lie. I'm trying to go get some of that. That's banana bread and it's fresh out.

[Mal]

Put brown sugar in there. Yeah.

[Rory]

Like she crushed the walnuts and put that shit on top like that. Like, man, cut me a slice of it.

[Mal]

But you know, I think also, and let me not say even gender specific, I think a lot of couples get scared of single people because in social situations all they know how to do is talk about couple. That's all they talk about. So they want to be around other couples because that's all you're going to talk about. When single people come in, they have the whole scope of the world to discuss. They could talk about anything.

[Julian]

Well, I think that, that, I think that at that point you're just weird. Like, my best friend has been in a long time term relationship for five years. Like when I go out with them, they, they don't talk about a couple. Like, we're normal, we're people outside of, of being in relationships.

[Mal]

But the norm is with people that are in long term relationships, they tend to hang out with other people in long term relationships because they have more to relate to, which is relationships. They can't talk about what the is going on in these streets at all. I'm not even saying, like, yeah, you.

[Julian]

Were kind of whack in Vegas.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Rory kept bringing up his family facts.

[Mal]

I'm really annoying to be around. We were like, oh, and I even get annoyed.

[Rory]

Family in Vegas, it's like dubstep while downstairs down 20 grand. Like, shut the up about your daughter already. Video.

[Mal]

Now let me show you a photo.

[Rory]

Like, look at her. Look at. She just. I'm down 20 beds and you trying to show me pictures of your daughter doing bath time. Get the out of here, man.

[Mal]

I will say, though, like, my biggest fear was always having to be friends with Amara's friend's parents. Yeah.

[Rory]

Because you don't do small talk.

[Mal]

Well, now even you know, she doesn't really have friends, per se. She can't really talk like that still.

[Rory]

Her friends don't do it, but all.

[Mal]

These people do is want to talk about. About kids. And it annoys the out of me. Like someone bring in a hooker to just spice up this conversation. We just sit here and just talk about kids all day at the playground.

[Julian]

Because y'all don't really know each other like that. So what else would you bring up?

[Mal]

I don't want to talk to y'all, period.

[Damaris]

Talk about Diddy.

[Mal]

Yeah, please.

[Damaris]

That would be way more fun.

[Mal]

I'm. People in relationships, and people that have kids only know how to talk about that. That's the only place they're bringing goes.

[Rory]

Yeah, but that's.

[Mal]

Why don't you be sufferable?

[Rory]

So why don't you be the guy to say that and be like, listen, let the kids play. I don't want to talk about the kids. Yeah, let's talk.

[Mal]

Cuz I'll be. I'll be blacklisted from Sing Along.

[Julian]

What type of. Are you mad about that, too?

[Mal]

Well, mar. Like Sing Along. I wouldn't want to do that to her.

[Rory]

Oh, so when they black like, they. You. You. Your daughter can't go either.

[Mal]

You can't be that. You can't be the outsider of the parent group.

[Rory]

She has a mother, right?

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah. So let Kia bring. And don't bring your.

[Mal]

Yeah, but then they're going to whisper about Kia on who she's with at Sing Along. Like, oh, she's with that angry red head.

[Rory]

You think they're not doing that already?

[Damaris]

Yeah, I was gonna say. You think they. They didn't pick up on that?

[Rory]

I can promise you already that's. That's already what they're talking about.

[Mal]

But you can't be the. The outsider of the parent group. I've started to notice that because they are very chatty.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Because they have nothing to talk about except for kids and kids. Parents.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

So you have to be on your best behavior at all times. There was one time I had an AirPod in and I could hear them talking about me having an AirPod. AirPod in.

[Julian]

Are you serious?

[Rory]

What?

[Mal]

Like, oh, he's just watches his daughter with an AirPod.

[Damaris]

You with them?

[Mal]

Yeah, My. My. My kid can't talk, and she's running around a playground. Sorry if. I'm sorry if I'm listening to recaps of the debate. I have to be informed for my job. Informed like. Like, what do you think I'm gonna sit here and talk with them? Like, stop running around. Let's have a discussion. No, I'm putting an airplane AirPod in, and I could. I heard a woman, because I only had one on this side, and I heard her say, he watches his daughter with an AirPod in.

[Rory]

You should have said, yeah, I would answer it. See, I'm not.

[Julian]

I'm not like, yeah, I can hear.

[Rory]

I'd have like, yeah, I turned around so she seen the other one. Ain't in my head, like, yeah, no.

[Mal]

I do you guys say that now. And I would have said the same thing if I was not in the position I'm in. I don't want that reputation. Like, you could be excommunicated from that group, and it affects your child.

[Julian]

Yo, I promise you, Amara is not gonna give a about them kids if she can't see them.

[Rory]

I promise you, she not gonna even know.

[Mal]

Yeah, but no, it's. It's different with those parent groups.

[Julian]

Damn.

[Mal]

Put on your smile and just.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah.

[Mal]

Oh, you're adorable. Oh, my God.

[Julian]

Well, to homie. The purpose of my story about that is just some women are insecure, and especially if you're a prize, you make a certain amount of money or you look good or whatever. She is terrified of anything taking you, especially a stripper. So you're gonna have to deal with that.

[Mal]

I. I think that's the red flag.

[Julian]

That Rory speaks of.

[Mal]

I think he's leaving some context out here, though. I think, like, maybe he dated a stripper at one point or like he was known to in the strip club. That's why his girl.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Glitter on his dick.

[Mal]

I really don't think there's women out there that really are like, you're.

[Julian]

You're very. That's very. I don't want to say naive, but Naive. There are so many women that are.

[Damaris]

Gets at the strip club, though, right?

[Julian]

Plenty of people get at the strip club. What are you talking about?

[Damaris]

Who?

[Rory]

Not you, Mr. Picked first all the time.

[Damaris]

I get pussy.

[Rory]

You wasn't picked first to fucking the.

[Damaris]

Strip club all over.

[Rory]

You was not picked first to. In the champagne room.

[Mal]

What is that draft? I didn't even know it.

[Rory]

Oh, it's not a draft.

[Damaris]

That's really not a strip club guy. So it's not like I would have no desire to get. But like, I don't. How often do people go to the strip club and get like. I just. Wait. You just waste money and get a dance? That's what I think it is.

[Rory]

No, you're all. You're. You're sadly mistaken, son.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I feel like that's more of a New York thing. In Atlanta, people in the strip club.

[Julian]

Well, I don't. I can't.

[Mal]

All the strip clubs I went to in Atlanta, like are very much the club.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I don't even know if there's a room.

[Damaris]

I see the happen in like Miami.

[Rory]

Like sex happens in all strip clubs.

[Julian]

I. In a New York strip club. Wait, so is Rory.

[Damaris]

Tell us about it. What, together?

[Julian]

No, not.

[Mal]

Together.

[Rory]

Pov Julian be so concerned about the dumbest like together. Like, this is a malarkey. How come I wasn't invited?

[Julian]

That's really what it was.

[Rory]

That's all it was. He was mad he wasn't invited. How come I guys.

[Damaris]

Well, I'm not saying I'm not above it. I would like to in a strip club. It just. I just.

[Julian]

He would like Sapphires. Not on black night. Not on Sunday night.

[Rory]

Not on black night.

[Mal]

The only night I go.

[Damaris]

No, that's the shits and gigs night.

[Mal]

The night that Nick Cannon hosts.

[Damaris]

Do you have to a stripper or can you just a girl you bring? I'd rather someone I bring.

[Mal]

Yeah, you can her with a stripper.

[Rory]

You can also take her home and her like, what's wrong?

[Damaris]

No, I want to do like in public. It's like a thing. It be fun.

[Rory]

It'll be fun.

[Mal]

Well, private rooms aren't public.

[Damaris]

No, what I mean like in a public setting.

[Rory]

Private. Private rooms are public. Thank you, Rory for that. We didn't. We had no.

[Mal]

Well, it's not like you could. It's not like you're in front of the stage and you're a chick in.

[Julian]

Your house is in public. Rory.

[Damaris]

Thank you. You know like public porn. Like when people go to like you.

[Julian]

Somebody in a bar bathroom that's not you in private like that.

[Mal]

No, to me that's in public. All right, so in a hotel room, is that private or public? Cuz that's not my house.

[Damaris]

No, that's private.

[Julian]

Oh God.

[Rory]

That's how Peach called Pinka.

[Damaris]

During co I in a bar bathroom.

[Rory]

You had no choice.

[Mal]

In a strip club, private room is not.

[Rory]

The CDC said you have to in this bathroom. And that's it.

[Mal]

I stand on that though.

[Rory]

Fucking in the bathroom.

[Mal]

Well, that too, but not the cdc. In a private room in a strip club is not in public.

[Damaris]

Oh my God.

[Julian]

Okay, Rory.

[Rory]

Okay. All right. Stand on it. I like when stand on wrong feet.

[Julian]

Just singing quicksand.

[Rory]

Look at this. He looked like you at the table.

[Mal]

In front of the stage. Now you in public.

[Damaris]

Well, yeah, like in a.

[Rory]

Points are made. Points are made. Fight back, Julian.

[Damaris]

No, there's a whole porn category where it's like in public and it's people that like changing rooms. It's stores or bathrooms at museums. Like those are public spaces. Just because they have a curtain doesn't mean they're not public.

[Rory]

So do you consider in a. A changing room at the store is.

[Mal]

Public because somebody really could walk in. Private rooms at strip clubs are gardening did. It's basically a hotel room.

[Julian]

The guard can walk in, the hotel manager can walk.

[Rory]

Nobody can't walk into the change room. If you lock the door, who gonna walk in?

[Mal]

I've never in a changing room, but. But I worked at a changing room at American Eagle and I had a key, so I could have.

[Rory]

You worked at American Eagle and didn't in the fitting room?

[Mal]

No, I couldn't find anyone.

[Rory]

That's like working at Yankee Stadium and not next to the popcorn.

[Mal]

I was a jegging.

[Julian]

Why is that?

[Mal]

Yeah, like it made me stuck.

[Rory]

You know, one of the co workers that you flirt with. Yeah, you gonna get get one day it's gonna happen.

[Mal]

Like I'm not as ill as you.

[Julian]

Hey, Yankee Stadium. Well, it's a lot of places to hide. They have really nice suites up there too.

[Rory]

Yeah, if I got the key. Think I wouldn't say I fucked in Yankee Stadium? Like, come on.

[Damaris]

I would definitely want to do that.

[Rory]

All I'm saying, thin and stretch me in the bathroom.

[Damaris]

Stretch it out.

[Mal]

I just think these strip club. If you in the bathroom at a strip club now, I think you're in public. Those private rooms are private.

[Rory]

Okay, 40 40. Remember how the bathrooms were? You all had an individual stall, but you walk in together.

[Mal]

You you in public.

[Rory]

So if I take a girl in one of those stalls.

[Mal]

The bathrooms at 4040 are not designed for sex.

[Rory]

Why?

[Mal]

Private rooms at strip clubs are designed for sex. There's a lock, you pay a fee.

[Rory]

It's basically a hotel, which means not designed for sex.

[Mal]

The 4040 bathroom.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Is this bathroom. So if Julia has sex in that bathroom, is that him fucking in public.

[Damaris]

Or private has had sex?

[Julian]

Are we here Was that unnecessary? No, no, no. No one's here. No one's here.

[Mal]

That's private. This.

[Julian]

Okay, well, technically, this is a private.

[Damaris]

This is private. This is a private residence. Yeah.

[Julian]

So at the end of the day, long story short, homie, I'm right is what you're saying. Don't leave. Don't leave. Leave her. I say leave her because I feel like more effort and issues are going to come later on. But. Okay, we can move on.

[Rory]

We all. We all unanimously. Dump her. Dump her. And dump her fast.

[Mal]

Do we have one more voicemail?

[Damaris]

I don't think you should dump her, but whatever. Thanks for listening, by the way. He's a new listener.

[Julian]

Yeah. Welcome. Hey, Damaris. Hey, Royal Ma. Hey, Julian. PJ Yomi. Hope all is well with you guys. I have, like, a little situation. Not even a situation. I have been in a relationship, I want to say, for the last 10 years. I'm only 30, so. High school sweetheart. And. And I am coming up on my one year of me not being in a relationship anymore. And I want to know, how long do I wait to start dating? Like, is a year too soon too fast? Like, how.

[Mal]

You waited too long already.

[Julian]

Huh?

[Mal]

You waited too long, girl.

[Julian]

You waited ten years too long.

[Mal]

Go to a strip club and get.

[Julian]

Not a strip club.

[Rory]

Go to a strip club and get.

[Mal]

Damn, it's private.

[Julian]

Oh, where you from? You in New York, baby? Come to last lap. I'mma take you out. I'mma take her. She ain't been in a year.

[Damaris]

Trying to look her up in last lab.

[Julian]

I'm not trying to.

[Rory]

I'm.

[Damaris]

Oh, not you.

[Rory]

Oh, you trying to take her to the homies.

[Julian]

Yes, that's.

[Rory]

How did. He got in trouble.

[Julian]

No, that's not.

[Damaris]

That's trafficking. That's traffic.

[Mal]

And the last lap bathroom is public.

[Julian]

The big one and a little one.

[Damaris]

Damn, that little one.

[Rory]

It ain't no big nothing. In last lap, there's a bigger bathroom.

[Damaris]

And a smaller kitchen is significantly larger than the one in the hallway, the one downstairs.

[Mal]

You can make it work.

[Rory]

That's what I was trying to say about the 4040 bathroom. Can make it work.

[Mal]

That's public, though.

[Julian]

Have you in a 4040 bathroom or is that why you.

[Rory]

Me for sure? Absolutely.

[Damaris]

You kidding?

[Rory]

What?

[Mal]

I fucked in both last lap.

[Rory]

Are you kidding me? Absolutely.

[Julian]

Yes, sweetheart.

[Damaris]

Wait, she not done yet.

[Julian]

Okay, go ahead. Too fast. Like, how long should I wait? Want to get some backstory? Like I said, high school sweetheart. It went wrong. It got, like, really, really messy. Domestic violence and stuff. Like that.

[Mal]

Thanks, Julian.

[Julian]

I have two kids out of this situation.

[Damaris]

What?

[Julian]

I. We did end up buying a house together, but that's neither here or there. But like I said, I'm one year out of that relationship and I want to know, am I able to start dating again?

[Mal]

Okay, well, now that more context was added to that, understand why she waited. And I think you should take as much time as you need to feel comfortable to go out and date after coming out of.

[Rory]

See, y'all was all joking. And now, I mean, now you sounding like shits and gigs. It's fight or flight now. Look at you, running. You running. You sounding like shits and gigs. Look at you.

[Damaris]

Look at you.

[Rory]

Look at you. Yo. Nah. Because now you know I'm pray for you conscious. Yeah, I'm gonna pray for you. You're not gonna pray for her. You didn't pray yet. Your eyes ain't clos yet. Pray, pray. I never even pray.

[Damaris]

Pray, pray. Do the. Our Father.

[Mal]

Our Father are in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth that is in heaven. Hollow be that Jesus Christ. I can't even speak.

[Rory]

Hollow to Don versus clips. I know, we got it like.

[Julian]

Sweetie.

[Mal]

The kingdom come, thy will be done on earth that is is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Julian]

And forgive those who trespass against us.

[Mal]

I hated that.

[Damaris]

I always forget that one.

[Mal]

As we forgive those who trespass against us. Nah.

[Rory]

All that I pay tax.

[Julian]

God leave me not into temptation and deliver me from evil. Amen.

[Mal]

You know, second part, there's another part too.

[Damaris]

There's another verse. Changed it like 10 years ago.

[Mal]

There isn't. Yeah, I forgot that other part.

[Damaris]

They made it more inclusive.

[Mal]

Anyways.

[Julian]

There is no set amount of time. That's too early. When you feel you are ready to date, you're ready. Let me put it like this. When you feel like you're ready too.

[Rory]

Cuz you was just saying, girl, if you don't go get.

[Mal]

Because we thought she was just coming. Domestic violence involved.

[Julian]

Yeah, she has two kids and it's domestic violence.

[Mal]

They bought a house together and like.

[Rory]

Yeah, that.

[Mal]

That's a lot of more context to this entire thing.

[Julian]

Yeah. So. Yeah, wait until you're ready.

[Rory]

Did y'all hear the whole shits and gig pot? No, there's more context to it is all I'm trying to say. See, look, y'all just saw a clip. Eight.

[Mal]

Eight what?

[Damaris]

Eight times one.

[Julian]

Hey, yo, not.

[Rory]

That was crazy. Okay, so see the context.

[Mal]

What was the context of the Flagrant 2 episode that I missed.

[Rory]

Oh, I don't know. I don't, I don't. I'm just asking if you've seen the whole episode. I don't know. I don't know.

[Mal]

I didn't.

[Rory]

May have missed. Oh, yeah. So I don't know. But yes. What was her name? Did she give us.

[Damaris]

She didn't say.

[Rory]

Oh, I'm sorry. Take your time. When you're ready. I'm sure that the dating pool will.

[Julian]

Be ready for you when you're ready to be disappointed too. By the way, don't go down.

[Rory]

No, don't do that. She might find the love of her life.

[Julian]

She might. But first of all, dating is a numbers game. She's not just going to go out on the first date and meet the love of her life. Like, you're going to have to kiss some fucking frogs. And that's going to suck being that you were just in a long term relationship. Like, I understand how that is. It's going to make you want to go. You're going to meet a couple niggas, that's going to make you want to go back no matter how awful your ex is.

[Mal]

But why even search for love at this point? Maybe just. Just get out there.

[Julian]

Okay, that too. But still, just be prepared to be disappointed. I'm not saying that you'll never find love or you'll never find what you're looking for or fun or anything, but people are awful. So you're going to meet some awful people. You're going to meet some cool people. Some shit's not going to work out. I just want to prepare her for that. I'm not being negative, I'm just being realistic.

[Damaris]

It's pretty negative.

[Julian]

Okay, well, send her off into the dating pool. Say, hey, it's great out there, the water's great.

[Damaris]

That's. But we're also not saying that she called in saying, when can I just start dating? Try it.

[Julian]

Yes, but all I said was when. She said when. When would be the time when you're ready.

[Damaris]

And when I say she's ready, she called in.

[Mal]

I don't know though. Coming out of a relationship like that with two kids, I don't know if she even like, has time to date.

[Damaris]

But it sounds like she wants to, right?

[Mal]

She's entertaining the idea. So it'll happen. I would say take it slow again. Fight or flight? I'm changing my tone completely.

[Rory]

Take it slow.

[Mal]

Exactly. You want to have the John Legend conversation we had in Uber in London.

[Damaris]

This time it's oh, what was it.

[Rory]

Slow Say, what was it? What we. What? What we said? Nothing about something.

[Mal]

Nothing.

[Rory]

No, John. I said, john Legend is overrated.

[Mal]

The.

[Rory]

You mean say it? Yeah.

[Julian]

Overrated. How?

[Rory]

Well, no, that was. The conversation was. I think we were talking about.

[Mal]

Did we use the word overrated?

[Julian]

You got him gay.

[Mal]

What? Oh, we're talking about music.

[Rory]

There she go. Look what her gay man go.

[Mal]

No, we strictly talking about music.

[Rory]

Music, I think we were talking about. Because I asked the question, do people go to John Legend concerts? Like, does he still. Does he, like. What rooms does he do? Does he do, like, arenas or does he does more like theater?

[Damaris]

I don't.

[Julian]

I don't know, but don't. Like, don't get it twisted. John Legend could pack. People still want John Legend to perform at their wedding.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah. We weren't. We weren't saying.

[Julian]

Okay.

[Mal]

People don't want to see.

[Rory]

I've never seen saying, yo, I'm going to the John Legend concert tonight.

[Julian]

Well, I don't think he really has any concerts anymore. He's had. He's not really releasing music, according to Ben Hor.

[Rory]

And he fills the room.

[Damaris]

He's going to Shanghai, China.

[Rory]

Well, that doesn't count.

[Damaris]

Mercedes Benz arena in Shanghai, China.

[Rory]

Yeah, but that's China.

[Mal]

That's where they make the cars.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

That'S actually. That was a good joke.

[Julian]

I don't even think it was a joke. Ain't that real?

[Damaris]

No, no.

[Mal]

We will actually get into that John Legend conversation with Day, though.

[Rory]

I'm.

[Mal]

I'm gonna fight or flight this one so we can have a. I liked.

[Damaris]

His last album fleshed out.

[Rory]

What did. What's the. The YouTuber's name.

[Julian]

What's the dirt?

[Rory]

What's the dirt?

[Mal]

What's the dirt?

[Rory]

I can tell. I can tell you like John Legend.

[Julian]

Don't do that. Ain't no way. You never got no to no John Legend. You never got to John Legend.

[Rory]

The. All right, paint the scenario. When you think I turned on John Legend and got some.

[Julian]

He might have just been in the playlist.

[Damaris]

I think the first time I kissed a girl, John Legend was playing.

[Rory]

I could tell.

[Mal]

I can tell.

[Rory]

I can definitely.

[Julian]

Give me the green light.

[Damaris]

Kissing the green light is great.

[Julian]

I'm ready to. Never mind. Never mind.

[Rory]

Julia definitely had Give It a Green Light playing when he got his first.

[Damaris]

No, I didn't.

[Rory]

Not what y'all. Legend song was playing.

[Damaris]

It was probably.

[Rory]

And don't lie.

[Damaris]

Don't try to name a. I don't know the song.

[Rory]

It was a B side. You kissing the B sides? Shut up.

[Damaris]

You asked me a question. That answered it for me.

[Rory]

You going to try to name a single? Don't name a. A single name to B side.

[Damaris]

I'm saying it was probably during the. It was probably off Get Lifted.

[Mal]

I don't know what classic album, by.

[Damaris]

The way, but I was listening to this, a great album.

[Mal]

So after that, it gets really shaky.

[Damaris]

No, no, no, no. Don't do that. I like Loved in the Future is very good. And Once Again is good, too.

[Mal]

Once Again is cool.

[Damaris]

Once Again, it's great. I probably kissed a girl.

[Mal]

Revolver has a few records, but y'all.

[Julian]

Just kiss somebody tonight. Best you ever had.

[Damaris]

Tonight's Fire. That's a good kid song.

[Mal]

Mind a Tyler Perry movie.

[Rory]

That's definitely Tyler Perry soundtrack with a bad wig.

[Damaris]

Maxine's a great Kiss song, I think y'all. I mean, it's coming.

[Julian]

Okay, okay. It gets shaky towards, like, the later in his career, like, so does it.

[Mal]

Got shaky on Once Again.

[Damaris]

Get Lifted.

[Mal]

Certified classic hater. Love. Get Lifted. Once Again. It's cool. Got shaky.

[Damaris]

Of his newer projects. I like Darkness and Light and Love in the Future.

[Mal]

Name one. Name one song.

[Damaris]

He has that one record with Miguel off Darkness and Light.

[Rory]

That one record, huh? Right.

[Damaris]

Penthouse Floor is not bad. Love Me Now. That was a big single. Sure Fire is great. Surefire is the one. I think Miguel's on.

[Julian]

Julia.

[Damaris]

I like John. I'm not even defending him. I don't really. I don't care for him as a person.

[Mal]

It's cool if we all admit that, you know, he's. He had his time.

[Julian]

Well, I mean, y'all don't want.

[Rory]

Listen, listen.

[Mal]

The conversation doesn't sound like hate. That's why.

[Damaris]

No, hey.

[Rory]

And we don't hate.

[Damaris]

You're like, how are we trying to.

[Julian]

Have a All of me? Your fave. Don't have a all of me.

[Mal]

I said something crazy in the car. That it? I said all of me is overrated.

[Julian]

All right, all right, Bye. You can go. You can go. Door right there.

[Rory]

I'm Legend.

[Damaris]

What about Ordinary?

[Rory]

All His. Sounds like a Gap commercial. It's like this. Trying to get me to buy khakis every album. I don't want to buy no khaki.

[Julian]

Maybe K Jeweler.

[Rory]

Nah.

[Damaris]

Who do we think we Are? That's a good song.

[Rory]

Who do you think you are?

[Damaris]

I don't know yet. Rick Ross is on that one, though. Made to Love. Come on. We're not doing that.

[Julian]

All of Me is not overrated. Bo, you, bro, you sound crazy.

[Rory]

How does all of me go? How did. What's that.

[Julian]

Like? All right, relax, all of you. You.

[Damaris]

All your edges.

[Julian]

All right, well, since we talking about classics that y'all think is overrated, I think Ador is overrated.

[Rory]

Now, see, this is why you got to stay in Schenectady with that.

[Julian]

Cuz he's from Schenectady, not.

[Rory]

I'm sorry, Rochester.

[Julian]

Syracuse.

[Rory]

Syracuse. My bad. It's right there. Ten lights away from each other. I don't know.

[Julian]

Adorn is over.

[Rory]

Ador is not over. Is not crazy.

[Mal]

Damaris, who do you think's better, Miguel or John Legend?

[Damaris]

Say who would win A versus Miguel or John?

[Mal]

Miguel.

[Rory]

He won't even show up. He would just tell people to play his. So yo, play my. My top thing.

[Damaris]

He's got 20.

[Rory]

Miguel.

[Julian]

Miguel has 20, bro.

[Rory]

Even if he don't, he gonna win.

[Julian]

Yeah, smoke the tent.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but I'm saying it's a 20. If it's 20, I'd take John in a. In a longer.

[Julian]

Nah, I take Miguel in a longer.

[Mal]

He can't do how many drinks in this era, though?

[Rory]

Damn. Yeah.

[Damaris]

How many drinks? That's. That's a cancelable song.

[Mal]

It's a little rapey.

[Damaris]

That was my Kendrick's on that Reaper mix.

[Rory]

It's all coming to the light.

[Mal]

After Kanye got away from production with. With John Legend, it. It was over.

[Damaris]

I don't think Miguel's got 20.

[Rory]

You're crazy how the half of these songs go 10.

[Julian]

I don't know if he got.

[Rory]

Are you counting his features?

[Julian]

Oh, if you count feature, he has.

[Mal]

Two jcole records that you love, and I love them.

[Julian]

Two my favorite jcole songs.

[Damaris]

Are we doing features? So power Trip counts then too.

[Mal]

And this is also where he's going to smoke John Legend because we were saying in the Uber again, reveal more. That clips record that just came out of them talking about their parents is probably the only John Legend hook I've liked in the last 15 years.

[Julian]

You didn't like higher years off.

[Damaris]

Oh, the DJ Khaled one.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah.

[Damaris]

Oh, I John letting do the hook on God did, dude.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Talk about. Talk about ruining. Ruining it. Should have left it to Friday. Friday was smoking that. Why the. You need to put John Legend at the end of that?

[Rory]

Just for the name, you know, that's how I go. Click, click. John Legend. Click.

[Mal]

Yo, John Legend be ruining some songs.

[Julian]

You. I don't know. He like. He one of your before, like, you kind of hating a little bit.

[Rory]

I promise You. That's not what happened.

[Julian]

He kind of hating. Both of y'all. Kind of hating.

[Mal]

That's why I said I wanted to flush out this conversation, because I knew I was gonna sound like a hater. I've just never been a huge John Legend.

[Julian]

You don't have to be a. A huge John Legend fan to respect somebody.

[Mal]

Wait. First of all, I respect his craft.

[Rory]

Respect. He's a.

[Mal]

All of me was a great musician. Our number one record for a whole year when it didn't have any drums. Like, that's a foot in itself. I respect it. Just overrated song. It's not that cool. You try to do Ordinary People part two.

[Julian]

No, it sounds nothing like that. Oh, my. He just talking. I hate arguing with him because he just be saying, yeah, that's nothing.

[Damaris]

Sound like Ordinary People.

[Rory]

She sounded pass. You know how they start choking that he does that.

[Julian]

It makes me.

[Mal]

Musically, it does not sound alike at all. I agree with you guys there, but he was clearly trying to do Ordinary People part two.

[Julian]

He was trying to make another hit, bro. He makes love songs. Yes.

[Mal]

He had a bunch of hits in between that. That did not sound anything like that structure.

[Julian]

Ordinary People in all of Me do not sound. Okay. You know what it. He makes wedding songs. That's his. That's his jam. So in. In the process of. Okay. Yes. He made another wedding song.

[Mal]

Would you guys listen to green light if Andre 3000 wasn't on it? Yes.

[Julian]

I forgot Andre 3000 was even on that. Y.

[Mal]

Yes.

[Damaris]

N. I like his.

[Julian]

I for. I like it, too, but I forgot he was on it, so he just brought it back up. It's a good song.

[Rory]

So you want to give me the green light?

[Julian]

Yo, the recency bias that y'all do on songs that in the moment, hit mad crazy.

[Mal]

I like Green Light.

[Rory]

I'm ready to go right now. I'm ready to go right now.

[Mal]

Give me the green light.

[Rory]

Seem like he got wet socks on. What the.

[Julian]

Does that even correlate? I hate Mall.

[Mal]

It made sense to me.

[Damaris]

Wait. Mall.

[Mal]

Do the fully get.

[Julian]

That's autism.

[Damaris]

Yo, Mall. Do the first verse.

[Rory]

I see you move I'm checking your smile Working your back like it's going out of style Awful, awful.

[Mal]

Bar sticks.

[Damaris]

Everybody wanted that.

[Rory]

Get no play in the ride. You don't play that in a house.

[Mal]

Shake it a little bit faster.

[Rory]

Shake just a little bit faster now what? Get your john. Put your shirt on to get out, man.

[Damaris]

Dying to do the dying to meet you part.

[Rory]

Dying to meet you. So let's Mess around, Got an obsession of us getting down. I never jacked John Legend. I was never jacking John Legend. Legend. I don't care what none of y'all say. Kill me on the Internet in the comments. I don't give a. I was never a John Legend fan. No disrespect to John Legend. A solid, cool guy. Seems like that's the definition of disrespect. No, no, no, no, no. He seems like a great guy. You don't hear about him in no crazy headlines. And none of that. He's just making music and. And. And being a family guy. So no disrespect, but I just was never. I never got the John Legend like. Like, when everybody be like, nah, the John Legend joint. I'm like, yo, y'all really be playing.

[Julian]

That, like, where I bet your mother Jack John Legend.

[Rory]

I bet that's not saying much. You know, my mom was born. Of course she is. She grew up with Sinatra. Of course she likes J. Legend.

[Damaris]

Wait. Mall dude.

[Mal]

She loves runs like, are you kidding me?

[Damaris]

Do this? Can we do this one, too?

[Mal]

Well, first of all, let's give him some. Some credit. He did.

[Damaris]

He.

[Rory]

I have a girlfriend. Well, technically, no. If you be my girlfriend, then we'll make it so. John, get out the booth with that you doing, man. That is trash.

[Mal]

He asked for consent, though.

[Damaris]

You'll be my only true lover.

[Mal]

I just need. I just need permission.

[Damaris]

No competition. No.

[Rory]

He got some features that he was definitely, like, he killed, though. I like. I like John Legend when he just give you the hook and get out.

[Mal]

One or two good.

[Rory]

Give me. When John Legend just give me the hook and get out of there. I'm like, all right. Okay, John.

[Mal]

It's when he starts doing the outro, where I'm like, like, yo, we. We didn't need you.

[Rory]

Yeah, like, when you start giving me too much of your intrusive thoughts, it's like, all right, John, get out the booth, bro. I don't want to hear this.

[Damaris]

Him and Ross haven't missed. They have, like, three or four songs together that are all.

[Rory]

That's what I'm saying. When he on the hook, great. He's a hooker. For sure. He's a hooker. 100. John Legend's a hooker without a doubt. So don't give me too much.

[Julian]

Living through the years of watching, like, you thought that. You thought.

[Rory]

You thought. You thought that. That what John was giving right there, you was feeling what he was saying. Do I have a girlfriend? Well, technically, no. Okay, if you be my Girlfriend, then.

[Julian]

I'll make it so that beat and everything was hitting. Y'all are being weird. That's why the song did so well. It was a good song.

[Rory]

It was good because a lot of.

[Julian]

We go and do lyric breakdowns on.

[Rory]

A lot of that get played on a lot of cruises.

[Julian]

If we go and do lyric breakdowns on a lot of it, I guarantee.

[Rory]

You, if John Legend do A versus and he played this, the other one, no matter what he played, that is some bullshit right there.

[Mal]

I guarantee you if Andre 3000 is not on that, it's not even a single. I don't even know if it makes the album.

[Julian]

You sound sick. So you're smarter than this, though. So, like, listen to you say things like, this is just insane to me.

[Mal]

That would have flopped without three stacks, bro.

[Julian]

When they play it on the radio, the three stacks verse, it barely got there. What the are you talking about?

[Mal]

You think that song even enters the culture without three stacks on it? I'm ready to go right now.

[Julian]

That was the. That was the sound era. That was the sound of that era.

[Mal]

That was actually why that song was cool. Cuz it didn't sound like the air era.

[Julian]

Okay, Rory, that was the. The gears where everything was like pop. It was. It was a Justin Timberlake type sounding type. Back in the back when that song came out. Yes, it was. That sounded like some. Something you was gonna hear.

[Mal]

What was that? 2000, 2009. Did that come out?

[Julian]

No, it was earlier than that.

[Damaris]

Let's check 2008.

[Mal]

2008.

[Damaris]

This is off Evolver.

[Mal]

All right, so Ryan. Ryan Leslie was the sound at that time.

[Julian]

That sound like some. That Ryan Leslie would make make.

[Mal]

No, it don't.

[Julian]

Okay.

[Mal]

That's why it was actually cool. Because it didn't sound like everything that was happening at the moment when it came to R B.

[Julian]

Okay, we'll agree to disagree. It's free for us to do that.

[Mal]

Ryan needed Fab and John needed Andre. It's that era. Those songs didn't work without rappers. And we didn't get Put some respect on rap.

[Rory]

We didn't give Ryan Leslie enough props either.

[Mal]

Oh, that's. That's One of my Goats.

[Rory]

All that's Don't Get Enough. He don't get on the side of.

[Mal]

Our les for Prez.

[Rory]

Yeah, he don't get it. He don't get talked about enough, man.

[Mal]

Ryan Leslie's that's One of My Goats. That's someone on my list.

[Rory]

Genius.

[Mal]

I would love to work with.

[Damaris]

I wanted to pull this up because mall sent me to this while you guys were arguing.

[Mal]

When I let myself go, that's what I'm gonna look like.

[Damaris]

So this is the. The gentleman is on the. On the left is the.

[Mal]

Shut up. He said I already look like that.

[Julian]

I was about to say he looked like he related to Peach, but he.

[Damaris]

Looks like an older. Simple joke Jack.

[Rory]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Mal]

You a simple Jack.

[Damaris]

He's the billionaire owner and see my head movies. He's the billionaire owner of the Raiders and the. The woman on the. The other side is the. His current girlfriend who's 26 years old. And she said she didn't know who he was. She was just attracted to his quote, beautiful smile.

[Rory]

Come on. Naturally you see a smile. Look at that.

[Damaris]

Yeah, beautiful.

[Rory]

He looks like a.

[Damaris]

Where are his lips?

[Julian]

He looks like my toe after I stub it on the bed.

[Rory]

He looked like. He looked. You see the sloth in the trees? He look a sloth.

[Mal]

You guys don't think Anna Nicole married for love too?

[Rory]

Of course she did.

[Julian]

I actually believe Anna Nicole married for love.

[Rory]

Of course she did.

[Mal]

Can we pull up Anna Nicole? Well, rest in peace, right?

[Rory]

Yes, rest in peace.

[Mal]

Rest in peace. Can we. Well, rest in peace to her ex husband. Yeah, two ex husbands. Because I know that old guy has to be dead at this point.

[Damaris]

Love at first sight.

[Mal]

I respect it.

[Julian]

He was dead.

[Mal]

I respect it.

[Rory]

He was dead. Dear Damaris.

[Julian]

Sorry.

[Damaris]

That's what Biden would look like if he wasn't the president.

[Mal]

Probably so.

[Julian]

No, if Biden wasn't the president, he probably looked younger. That fucking job stressing him out.

[Rory]

He did a number one Obama, didn't he?

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Smoke before and after photos. Ooh, he need to sue the government for the. They smoked Obama. He walked in looking like Billy Dee Williams and walked out looking like.

[Mal]

Which was crazy because George Bush looked younger after he.

[Rory]

Oh, you know why he looked younger?

[Mal]

Because he didn't work.

[Rory]

Exactly. Hi, Rory. Well, October 17th, we will be in Toronto. Yes, Beautiful, beautiful city. One of my favorite cities in the world.

[Mal]

Oh, we know.

[Rory]

Tickets available [e-mail] Hope to see all you beautiful people in Toronto. When I say beautiful people, I mean a very specific type of beautiful women. Which is.

[Mal]

Which is what?

[Rory]

Just beautiful women. Okay, women, women, women. No, but seriously, tickets available now. No more new rory in mall.com. get your tickets now. Hope to see you soon. All right, man. Back home. Settling for a couple days.

[Mal]

I booked us an opener for Toronto too.

[Rory]

Good. Great fun. Have some fun. I'm excited.

[Mal]

Too.

[Rory]

That should be. That should be pretty cool. Love to see the people's reaction to the opener that we have for our Toronto.

[Mal]

And we're not trying to make it sound like we have Drake opening, but we do have an artist from Toronto that will open that.

[Rory]

I'm. Well, I know nobody thinks Drake is opening for. Why our show?

[Mal]

I think some people would think that.

[Rory]

No. Nobody. Well, yeah, I was thinking that some people would think some people are crazy out of their minds and just dumb. And we know that, but we still love them, too. Yeah. So let's get out of here. We'll be back in a couple of days, everybody. Be safe, be blessed. It's good to see y'all. Good to see everybody back healthy, smiling. Julian smile is amazing today. He's. You can tell he was pulling. Did oil pull while we were going? Coconut oil can see the curls. What? Yeah.

[Damaris]

Oh, I've been on all natural.

[Rory]

All natural. We'll talk to y'all soon. Be safe.

[Mal]

Damaris, your smile is amazing.

[Julian]

Thank you.

[Rory]

I'm sorry. Baby D. Baby D. Giving them the lick. The red.

[Julian]

The only girl in the park in the room like you, giving compliments to this one. To the gay man. That's crazy.

[Mal]

As.

[Rory]

All right, well, that. See, that's the climate trying to.

[Julian]

That's the climate.

[Rory]

See, that's what's. I'm trying to be forward. They think that I'm answering. They think I'm anti gay. I don't know.

[Julian]

Homophobic?

[Rory]

Yeah. Definitely not. Okay, we'll talk to y'all soon. Be safe, be blessed. I'm. That. He's just ginger.

[Julian]

No worry.

[Mal]

And mouth.