Episode 310 | Cole Is Free

Summary

Podcast Summary: New Rory & MAL – Episode 310 | "Cole Is Free" Release Date: October 11, 2024

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Introduction In Episode 310 of New Rory & MAL, titled "Cole Is Free," hosts Rory and Mal, alongside co-hosts Damaris and Peach, delve deep into the recent developments surrounding J. Cole's decision to step away from a high-profile rap battle involving Drake and Kendrick Lamar. The episode, lasting nearly an hour and a half, navigates through heated discussions, personal anecdotes, and broader reflections on the current state of hip-hop culture.

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Main Discussion: J. Cole’s Rap Battle Decision

The heart of the episode centers on J. Cole's release of the five-minute track "Seven Minute Drill," which addresses his withdrawal from a rap battle that became entangled with controversies involving Drake and Kendrick Lamar. Rory initiates the conversation by praising the lyrical prowess of Cole's first verse, stating, "As a fan of just hip hop, period, that first verse is incredible" ([02:53]). However, the discussion quickly evolves into a debate over Cole's decision to step back, with Mal expressing strong opinions:

• Mal’s Perspective: Mal criticizes Cole for backing out of the battle, arguing that it undermines his standing as one of the best rappers. He asserts, "He can no longer, ever, ever compete for that title. It doesn't happen. That was his choice to make" ([36:48]). Mal contends that Cole's inability to engage fully in the battle diminishes his reputation, despite acknowledging his talent.

• Rory’s Counterpoint: Rory offers a contrasting view, emphasizing the importance of music over battles. He remarks, "I love music way too much to make a battle define how I view another rapper" ([38:34]). Rory advocates for appreciating Cole's artistic expression in addressing personal and industry-related issues through his music, regardless of his participation in rap battles.

• Damaris and Peach’s Inputs: Both Damaris and Peach weigh in, highlighting the complexities of the situation. Damaris notes, "You don’t want to hear that," reflecting Mal's frustration, while Peach emphasizes Cole's freedom to express himself artistically and the positive impact it can have on hip-hop culture.

Alignment and Disagreements: A significant portion of the debate revolves around whether Rory and Mal's views align with Cole's perspectives. Rory suggests, "Cole is saying the exact same shit you and I have agreed with," ([06:14]) attempting to find common ground, whereas Mal firmly disagrees, maintaining that Cole's actions are inconsistent with the values they uphold in rap battles.

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Broader Implications for Hip-Hop Culture

The hosts extend their discussion to the evolving nature of rap battles and the intrusion of personal and controversial topics, such as allegations of misconduct, into the lyrical content. Rory and Mal deliberate on how rap battles have transformed from straightforward lyrical contests to platforms where personal attacks and societal issues are interwoven, sometimes leading to real-world tensions and misunderstandings.

• Impact on Reputation: Mal expresses concern that the inclusion of serious accusations, like calling someone a pedophile, detracts from the art of rap and can have severe repercussions on artists' reputations and personal lives.

• Cultural Shifts: Rory reflects on how modern rap battles involve various external factors, including social media algorithms and public perception, which complicate the traditional dynamics of rap confrontations.

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Other Topics Covered

Beyond the central theme of J. Cole's battle decision, the episode meanders through a variety of other subjects:

• Fashion and the Met Gala 2025: The hosts discuss the upcoming Met Gala, highlighting its theme of "Tailoring Black Style" and expressing opinions on the attire of prominent figures like Lewis Hamilton and Anna Wintour. Mal shares his enthusiasm, saying, "I think this is dope," ([73:22]) while Rory humorously critiques the fashion choices of NBA players.

• Music Industry Insights: Victoria Monet's deluxe album release is praised for its depth and production quality. The hosts commend her growth and the support she has received over the years, with Mal stating, "I'm happy to see her finally get her recognition," ([70:42]).

• Media and Public Perception: The conversation touches on media narratives and the spread of misinformation, referencing instances like Jaguar Rights' interviews and their impact on public opinion.

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Listener Interaction: Voicemail Segment

The latter part of the episode features voicemails from listeners seeking advice:

1. Criminal Record and Employment: A caller inquires whether to disclose a past criminal record during a job application at a small company. The hosts unanimously recommend honesty, emphasizing the importance of building trust and the potential consequences of deceit. Mal advises, "Just have a real honest conversation with him," ([75:02]).

2. Relationship Dynamics: Another caller poses a question about managing multiple romantic interests without being labeled negatively. The hosts discuss the importance of honesty and respect in relationships, discouraging deceitful behavior and encouraging genuine connections.

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Closing Remarks

As the episode winds down, the hosts announce upcoming live shows in Toronto, Atlanta, and New York City, promoting their website for ticket sales. They wrap up with well-wishes for their listeners, advocating for safety and positivity as the season progresses.

• Final Quote: Mal signs off with enthusiasm, saying, "Hope to see y'all there. Can't wait to see y'all there. Have some fun to close out the year," ([98:17]).

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Conclusion

Episode 310 of New Rory & MAL offers a robust discussion on J. Cole's recent decisions within the hip-hop landscape, blending critical analysis with personal opinions and broader cultural reflections. The episode underscores the complexities artists face in balancing personal integrity, public perception, and artistic expression in today's evolving music industry.

Transcript

[Rory]

Toronto, October 17th. We will be live in your city.

[Mal]

Bringing the boy with us. Scared?

[Rory]

I'm petrified right now. Like, I'm actually scared. Toronto, we will see you next week. We cannot wait. I'm getting the out of here.

[Mal]

I guess in that metaphor, hypothetically, the gun is me. I text her back like, guess the gun ain't what I'm trying to be. My, they stripped me of my spot and now I'm finally free My, they say I'm picking sides they don't you lie on me My to start another war hey, Drake. You'll always be my I ain't ashamed to say you did a lot for me. My all the narratives tapping back into your magic pen is what's imperative Reminding these folks why we do it. It's not for beefing, it's for speaking our thoughts. Pushing ourselves, reaching the charts, reaching your minds deep in your hearts. Creeping to find emotions to touch something inside to open you up, help you cope with the rough times. And I'm sending love. Cause we ain't priming my y'all n stopping.

[Rory]

All right, so what's up? We get into the shits right away or we're going to talk about how I smoked Damaris and Taboo last night. Or we could get right to the shits. Should we ease into it? I know you're not supposed to curse in the beginning of this, so just bleep that peach. I'm sorry we have to monetize it.

[Damaris]

I'd prefer to just get into it. I don't really care about Taboo, to be honest.

[Rory]

I smoked Maris's boots in Taboo and it's not even close. Like, not even a little bit, but it's cool. I understand. I think she had, like, negative one points by the end of the entire game.

[Peach]

All right, you drag. See you dragging it. First of all, you had some really good people on your team. It wasn't like you was holding the fort down on your own. You weren't even that.

[Rory]

I understood the role players. I was the gm.

[Peach]

So me and Rory found out. Well, Rory found out something about me last night. I already knew this about him. We are very competitive people, and our competitiveness is not, like, cute or funny or, like, fun. It's like it ruins. Yeah, it ruins. We ruined, like, the whole we scared all the hoes.

[Rory]

But what was more important than my competitive game night behavior? I left Taboo to walk outside so I could listen to the best rapper of 2024 rap for five minutes straight and smoke everyone on this podcast, including myself.

[Damaris]

Well, not everyone.

[Rory]

Where do we want to begin? Everyone's quiet now, right? Cole got y'all shook.

[Peach]

Got who shook you?

[Rory]

Everyone seems shook. First of all, he ain't dis me.

[Peach]

Let's be real. He ate y'all the up. So me, I don't gotta say nothing. Cause I agree and been agreeing, been agreeing. He smoked y'all. You especially Mr. Oh is beef. I think this is beef. And this, this, this, this, and that's.

[Rory]

At the end of the verse.

[Mal]

We'll.

[Rory]

We'll get to that second verse, though. Are we arrogant to come in here and being clout chasey and grifters, whatever the fuck people are saying now to say that this verse was. Was probably directed more at Mole, but sort of at both of us.

[Mal]

If the shoe fits, loose that up and skate.

[Rory]

So last night, for those that don't know, they know for some reason. If you don't know this, the Cole put out a five minute song that is addressing everything that's probably happened in the last four or five months. He started out by giving one of the best verses I've heard this year. That has nothing to do with the Beef whatsoever. I do want to start by saying, as a fan of just hip hop, period, that first verse is incredible. But because we're a podcast and people care about the messy, we can get to the second verse. Where do you want to start, Mo? Well, all right. Let me ask you if. If you even listened, because I know.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, of course I listen. But I'm letting you. I'm letting you say what you got to say, and then I'll speak my piece.

[Damaris]

Is it.

[Rory]

Can I kind of want your piece first?

[Damaris]

Can. Can Mal please go first?

[Rory]

Yeah, I kind of want your piece first.

[Mal]

No, because my piece is the final piece.

[Damaris]

No, like, still.

[Rory]

Okay, so you told me off. You told me off mic that you lost sleep thinking about my opinion of this, which I said. I feel like you and Cole now have something in common. Y'all both lost sleep. What did you think my view would be on this?

[Mal]

I thought you would come in here and say this is the greatest verse you've ever heard, that this is the greatest rapper in the world, that nobody can see. Cole and anything else that will crown him the best rapper right now. You've been screaming greatest rapper in 2024 for the last hour.

[Rory]

Yeah, but that was more just to, like, hype you up and get you mad at me.

[Peach]

No, you said that in the spot yesterday, drunk.

[Mal]

I wouldn't get mad.

[Rory]

Not really mad. So last week I did say I think Cole was rapping better than anyone, period, in 2024. I think this just proved my point even further. As far as rappers go, I think outside of you losing sleep, I think you and Cole have more in common on the view of this entire thing than you lead on.

[Mal]

Me and Cole have nothing in common when it comes to this.

[Rory]

So Cole in this verse is addressing what happened with Kendrick and Drake. And you have been up here saying that you feel like Kendrick did some corny shit and started talking about pedophilia, went over the line and did. Did weirdo stuff, and you don't think that should be in battling, which I agree with you to some. Some extent. You and Cole, based off this verse, have the exact same views, and that is why he didn't want to do this battle. For the very reason you think Kendrick is corny. No, he said the same thing you said. He didn't want to battle because it's not about that anymore. It's not about raps, which you have said. It's about corny weirdo behavior and memes and coming up with weird stories. So he didn't want to participate, but he participated. So can you see Cole's point of view? Because you guys share the same point.

[Mal]

Of view, but he participated.

[Rory]

Agreed.

[Mal]

And he's still rapping. All right, so go ahead.

[Rory]

Do you not see that you and him are aligned in the exact thought of the battle and that's why he didn't want to do it and that's why you dislike Kendra.

[Mal]

We're not aligned at all. There's no alignment with me and Cole when it comes to this battle. Do I still think Cole is one of the best rappers we've ever had? Absolutely. I've never taken that from him. But there's no alignment in this battle between what I think and what Cole thinks.

[Peach]

So you don't see Rory's point in the.

[Mal]

I don't.

[Peach]

Okay.

[Rory]

Cole said, I pulled the plug because I've seen where that was about to go. They wanted blood. They wanted clicks to make their pockets grow.

[Mal]

J. Cole wants clicks, and he wants his pockets to grow.

[Rory]

Okay, but have you not also said that this was Kendrick's biggest moment?

[Mal]

It is.

[Rory]

And that he. This is kind of his trick throughout his years.

[Mal]

It was Cole's Colest moment, too. Talk to that.

[Rory]

What was Cole's biggest moment?

[Mal]

This battle. This would have been Cole's biggest moment as well.

[Rory]

Oh, that's hypothetical. We don't know.

[Mal]

Oh, we know he put a record.

[Rory]

Up that was Not Cole's big seven minute drill was not Cole's biggest moment by, like, not even close. 2014 for sales drive was his biggest moment.

[Mal]

This battle, this moment was Cole's biggest moment as a rapper.

[Rory]

You're saying it could have been if he participated.

[Mal]

So he didn't participate?

[Rory]

Yes. And then he stepped out based off the exact convo that you have had with me.

[Mal]

Did he participate?

[Rory]

If that means I got to dig up dirt and pay the whole team of algorithm bots just to sway the whole thing on social media, competing for your favorable memes. This is the same shit you have said, which I have agreed with you when it came to Kendrick. You've even came on here and talked about fake views with Spotify and connections behind the scenes. Everything Cole is saying about Kendrick, you have said. And he said he didn't want to participate in this battle because that's what it was. I think you guys have the exact same opinion, but he participated before he.

[Peach]

Knew what it was going to become.

[Mal]

He participated. He put a song out. He had bars directed at Kendrick, dissing his discography, calling his albums lackluster. He participated in the beef.

[Rory]

I agree.

[Mal]

So what are we talking about here?

[Rory]

And he.

[Mal]

What is all of this? And he backed who Wanted Blood? Who wanted to see somebody get hurt. What are we talking about here?

[Rory]

The same thing. This is rapping. The same thing. The same thing you and Drake also said at the end of Hart Part 6. Like, this shit has played out, bro. Why you keep doing this shit? It's weird. It's done. Stop with all this is the same reason Cole backed out. The same reason you hate that battle and feel like Drake won because Kendrick made up some lies and did weird shit is the reason why Cole backed out.

[Mal]

That's not the reason Cole backed out. Stop it. It's not the reason.

[Rory]

Why do you think he backed out?

[Mal]

Why do I think he backed out? I think he backed out because that song he put out didn't land and didn't hit as hard as he thought it would. I think that was a test that he put his foot in the water to test the temperature and he backed out.

[Rory]

This.

[Mal]

He didn't want no parts of it.

[Rory]

Of course it's popular.

[Mal]

You can't sit here and say, oh, they wanted blood. Who wanted blood? We wanted to see y'all rap. Nobody wanted to see nobody get hurt.

[Rory]

Somebody, of course, wanted to see nobody fight. I don't think Cole's suggesting that. It's a metaphor. I don't think it's legitimate. Blood.

[Mal]

So hold on. This is what he's saying, though. Y'all wanted this for clicks and views. You want clicks and views, too, nigga. You put a song out. You posted a song on YouTube. You want clicks and views as well, in response. So I don't know what.

[Rory]

Like that.

[Mal]

I don't know. I don't know what that means. Y'all just want clicks of views. You want clicks and views as well. Everybody wants clicks and views, but there's.

[Peach]

A difference between clicks and views when it comes to something having value.

[Mal]

Like, yeah, when somebody steps on your bar and shits on your bar, shits on your verse. As a rapper, you stand on your pen. Kendrick went at cold. He sitting on his bar on his only number one record. Yeah, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's replay how this thing started. Kendrick, sit it on your bar. Jermaine and I love Cole. Let me put that out there. Like, I don't.

[Peach]

It don't look like it, though.

[Mal]

Like, it ain't about what it looked like. It's about what I'm telling you. I love Cole. I believe Ma does anything he says from now on, I don't believe him. I don't want to hear it. I don't believe it. Don't land the same wait. Because when it was time. Because if we go back, if we go back to the tapes, the first thing I said when this whole started was, I'm more impressed to see what Cole does. Because we've never seen Cole battle tested. That was one of the first things I said. I want to see how Cole performs under these lights. Because we've never seen it. We've never seen him perform under these lights where it was a battle and somebody was going at him and testing his pen. Kendrick shitted on your bar. You're the one that said big three and all of this. Is it K Dot? Is it Aubrey? Is it me? You did that. He sitted on your bar, and for a hot second, you stood on your pen and you put out a verse and had bars directed towards him. But then all of a sudden, in the famous words of Trump, he went another way. He backed out. I don't know if him and Kendrick had a personal conversation. Kendrick gave him, you know, told him what he was about to say about Drake, this, that, and third, and he was like, oh, no, I'm cool.

[Damaris]

Well, we were. Remember, we were told that Schoolboy Q.

[Mal]

Told Cole that personally, if I. Rory, if I go on tour with you.

[Rory]

Tomorrow, Toronto next week.

[Mal]

Toronto next weekend. Next week.

[Rory]

All right. September 17th.

[Mal]

You put millions of dollars in my pocket, you give me my first number one song. You think that another rapper could say something about me and you and I don't bomb on that.

[Rory]

I mean, I. In my position, I would say yes.

[Mal]

I'm asking a question. Do you think that if you take me on tour and you put millions of dollars in my pocket, you give me my first number one song and a rapper shits on the bar where. I bigged them up, I gave them props. I put them. I put us in the same. We the best three in this shit. And I didn't go at him. I ain't throw no shots at him. Showed him love. And that rapper shits on my bar. Our song. You think that I would. You think that I'm gonna just run home and act like it ain't a war outside?

[Rory]

Well, I think that's a separate combo which I'm happy to have. That's just a whole new topic. Yes. I could see Drake being upset that Cole did that.

[Mal]

We're not talking about Drake. We're not talking about. I'm asking you, do you think if you take me on tour and put millions of dollars in my pocket and give me my first number one song and a rapper shits on that number one song, you think that I'm not gonna engage in a back and forth with this dude?

[Rory]

I would think so, yes.

[Mal]

And that's all I'm saying here. So now don't give me this long voice note because you know Drake ain't fucking with you. Now you want to give us the voice note that you could have sent to Drake yourself. We didn't have to.

[Rory]

It's wrong with. Nah, I would love to hear his music. I want to hear.

[Mal]

I don't want to. That's personal shit. Call Drake and text him.

[Rory]

The whole beef was personal shit. What are we talking about?

[Mal]

Tell Drake. Text him. Send him a voice note. Cause you ain't spoke to him since you spoke to Kendrick.

[Rory]

The whole point of the battle was all personal shit. What are we talking about?

[Mal]

That's what I'm saying. We're not talking about a battle. These are words that we know. He wants to tell Drake, but he knows Drake ain't picking up the phone for him, so therefore, let me.

[Rory]

So he can't rap it.

[Mal]

He can. I don't want to hear it. I don't care to hear this shit.

[Rory]

I don't care what you or Drake thinks about it. When I want to hear Jermaine Cole rap about what happened the last three months.

[Mal]

We're not talking about. We talking about the scope of. If you and your friend are rappers and then another rapper jumps in on some song that you and him got, that's number one shits on your bar. You look like you want to fight, but then you like, nah, I don't want to fight. You go home months later, you kick and you still. And here's the thing. You still rapping, so why not just engage in the fucking battle? You ain't stopped rapping since.

[Rory]

And I'm saying. You're saying a separate point. What I'm explaining to you is the answer to your question. He explained why he didn't want to do the fucking battle.

[Mal]

But you did. You put. If Cole never put out a record, never put out a bar, I wouldn't even. I wouldn't even be talking about this. I'm like, yo, listen, he ain't want to get into it. Cool. But you put a record out.

[Rory]

Well, if he didn't address any of this, you'd kill him for not addressing no how.

[Mal]

I'm not. I don't even speak on Cole unless he puts a verse on him like, n. That was dope. He can still rap. But all that. Best rapper out, best rap you get, you never wear that title again. I don't give a. You could put out the most flawless verse we've ever heard. And you're never getting the best rapper title from me, because when it. Because when it was time to show that you was the best rapper, you told us you couldn't sleep and you went home.

[Rory]

Okay?

[Mal]

So I don't want to hear none of the. I don't believe none of these bars. Don't tell me we wanted blood. We didn't want blood. We wanted to see the people that we thought was the best engage in a rap battle. We didn't want y'all to fight and people to get shot. And nobody asked for that. What is this? They want blood? No, we don't.

[Rory]

Go ahead, Damaris. Then I'll address this blood part.

[Peach]

I have so many points. The first one, the saying of, I just took you on tour and put millions in your pocket and gave you your first number one. Y'all talking like Cole was like, some opening, like, act from, like, Mrs. No.

[Mal]

Nobody'S talking like that, man. And now I'm about to start yelling, cuz that's not what we talking about.

[Peach]

You sitting up here saying, he took.

[Mal]

Him out, he took him on tour, He Put millions of dollars in his pocket.

[Peach]

And you don't think that that was reciprocal at all. You think that he just took, like, some random. Just like some random that had no value. You think that Drake took somebody on tour that doesn't put any value because you.

[Mal]

Nobody said that, but that's how you're talk.

[Peach]

Okay, well, I'm.

[Mal]

We don't have to talk about that fact. If Drake takes you on tour, you have value. We know that.

[Rory]

I think Cole wanted to do that for some fly. I don't think Cole needed the money. They did. They did b.

[Mal]

Market.

[Rory]

They did. Like Orlando. And no offense to Orlando, but it's. They didn't do a major market. That was two friends having fun.

[Mal]

Y'all are crazy, though. Who said he needed money? Who said that?

[Peach]

Well, you talking like he did put millions in your pocket. You talking like he needed the money. That's what you saying. He took him out and put millions in your pocket. If I don't need the millions and you put millions in my pocket, like, why does that matter? If I have millions and you put a couple extra, like, what are you talking about?

[Mal]

If I got millions and you give me a couple extra.

[Rory]

But I'm saying.

[Mal]

What are you talking about?

[Rory]

But you acting like that money.

[Peach]

Like that's a handout. You talking like it's a handout. That's.

[Rory]

That was two a list rappers trying to have a moment, which is great.

[Mal]

I'm speaking to the facts. I'm speaking to the facts. He went on tour, he made millions of dollars with somebody, and another rapper shitted on your only number one song, the bar that you put in that song. And then you. You swing didn't hit as hard as you thought you would, but you swung. And then you decide, nah, I don't want to fight. What is that energy?

[Rory]

What is that mo. You're saying blood. You really think he was actually talking about people harming each other? No, what he was talking about was blood is someone is now called a pedophile. That's what he's referring to. Do you remember when we did the interview with the Washington Post?

[Mal]

Bro, bro, bro, listen, hear me out. Hear me out, because I don't want to yell, because I don't want.

[Rory]

It's okay.

[Mal]

No, it's not okay to yell. What I'm saying is simply this. J. Cole, one of the best rappers we've ever had. No doubt about it. But when it comes to being called the best ever, the best, right now, none of that gets no validation no more. Because when it's time for the best to show that they're the best, what they do is they show that they're the best. If the best comes at you as an mc, which I believe Cole is, you stand on your MC pin.

[Rory]

Okay? And you have said that, and I've agreed with you. And I have.

[Mal]

It don't sound like you agree with me.

[Rory]

Let me finish. I have no issue with anyone that feels away towards Cole and him being the best because he backed out of a battle. I'm not here to argue that. If you view it that way, I actually completely understand your. Your. Your perspective. Now. Do you remember when you and I did the Washington Post interview?

[Mal]

No.

[Rory]

Right after the battle. We had just got back from vacation. Washington Post interviewed us about what was going on, and we both were discussing as much as we liked the Kendrick and Drake back and forth. We do kind of need to reassess where we're at with battling, because if these things are true that are being said, this is a separate conversation. This isn't whose baby mother got fucked. This isn't who's more gangster. This isn't who has more goons. This line crossed. And it may be a time to evaluate what the fuck we're doing in rap battles when pedophilia comes in. Because if someone pulls someone's card and says they're not gangster, cool, who gives a fuck? That's rap music. Pedophiles different.

[Mal]

No, no.

[Rory]

We discussed that with the Washington Post. Now I'm saying Cole is saying the exact same shit you and I have agreed with. I don't want to part. This isn't rap battle anymore. Y'all have taken this to a whole nother level. Somebody got called a pedophile. I don't want to participate in this. I'll give a who's a better rapper?

[Mal]

Rory, Rory, Rory, Rory.

[Rory]

What's all, kids?

[Mal]

He called him a pedophile way after J. Cole took the song back. What are you talking about right now?

[Peach]

Because I'm sure J. Cole knew that that was coming.

[Mal]

So that's my point in all of this.

[Rory]

Yeah, y'all are going that route.

[Mal]

Peace. But the good thing is, the good.

[Damaris]

Thing of a song like this is then this is what I love. Where whereas not to take a shot at Drake, but it's going to sound like Shade. Drake has been posting on his Instagram story, and we've been dissecting Shade for the last three months or so. Cole put it all on a fucking record and spoke exactly how he feels. So instead of hypothetically. Just read the fucking lyrics. They're here in front of us. He says, my friends went to war. I walked away with all the blood on me. Now some will. Now some will discredit me. Try to wipe away my pedigree mall, but please find a nigga on the. On on blood. Find a out that's rapping this incredible lyrics. My dog texted me. I'll share the words. This is. This is important. This is.

[Mal]

Why send that to Drake. I don't want to hear that.

[Damaris]

Well, then I'm talking about.

[Peach]

The majority of this wasn't even to Drake. The majority of this was to the fans. Two lines.

[Damaris]

If you refuse to shoot the gun, don't mean the gun ain't deadly. I guess in that metaphor, hypothetically, the gun is me. Remember, we're not talking about literal blood.

[Peach]

You don't sound really objective right now at all.

[Mal]

Fuck this shit. Nobody want to hear this shit, man.

[Peach]

Everybody wants to hear it.

[Mal]

Nobody want to hear this shit if you refuse to shoot it all day. Of course you did. If you refused to shoot the. You shot the gun, nigga. You responded. What are we talking about here? What are we talking about?

[Rory]

He shot the gun and is now explaining why he backed out. And I'm. I'm not here to argue with you.

[Mal]

Want to hear that shit, man? You shot the gun.

[Rory]

Yo, if Cole never. If Cole never addressed any of this shit, you would call him out for not addressing what I'm calling him out.

[Mal]

Exactly. What I'm calling him out about. You can't shoot the gun, AKA put out a diss record and then say, nah, you know what? I'm cool. What, nigga? He went at you. He went at your bar. He shitted on your bar.

[Rory]

We've had that conversation for the last however many months, and we all address what I'm saying.

[Mal]

There's nothing to address.

[Rory]

He's explaining why he didn't want to do it, and it's the exact same views that you and I have had about this whole.

[Mal]

No, it's not. No, it's not.

[Rory]

This is not rap anymore.

[Mal]

No, it's not. No, it's not.

[Rory]

Someone's going to call a pedophile in the Super Bowl. This has gone past.

[Mal]

No, but. But my issue with that whole pedophile bar is you said he's a certified pedophile. You got to show us that he's a pedophile. That was my only. Now, if he is a pedophile, then I agree with you calling him that, then I agree with that bar, if.

[Rory]

He is okay, but he ain't okay.

[Mal]

So that's why that whole shit is corny to me.

[Rory]

So you agree with Cole?

[Mal]

No, I don't agree with Cole. I don't agree. Cause if it's true. If it's true, then hell yeah, expose that shit.

[Rory]

I don't think.

[Mal]

But if it ain't, don't use that as an angle to try to. Cause if we go back to the tape, before any songs came out, the one thing I sat here and said is, what you gonna do to Drake? You gonna throw the pedophile missile at him? Call him a pedophile? That's exact. You know how ridiculous that is? That's why I said it. Cause it's like, yo, what are you gonna say about that?

[Peach]

So wait, quick question.

[Mal]

He got more hits than you. He raps better than you. He has a great discography. He's been on top for 15 years. What are you going to say to the dude that helped you along the way, that gave you your number one records? How can you then turn this? What you want to do, call him a pedophile?

[Rory]

So you agree with Cole? It's not about who's better or who's rapping back and forth anymore. It's about Twitter bots and it's about weird stories you make up about people. But Mall, that's why he didn't want to participate.

[Peach]

This is the thing, though. Maul has been saying that Kendrick just made up that pedophile for the longest. And nobody was saying that Drake is a pedophile and Kendrick made that up. But you knew that the pedophile bar was coming before Kendrick even dropped it.

[Mal]

I didn't know it was coming.

[Peach]

You literally just said, what you gonna say about him? That he a pedophile? Yeah, before the records dropped.

[Rory]

Like the most ridiculous thing. Like Drake even said he knew it was coming.

[Mal]

That's the most ridiculous you want to say the most outlandish ridiculous. That ain't true. And just throw that in the song because.

[Rory]

And I'm referencing what Cole said, this shit is now about what's happening on the timeline and bots and YouTubers. It's not about rapping. We knew that that pedophile shit was coming because the Internet, right after push ups came out, was posting all these clips of Drake on stage with a 17 year old, bringing up the old DMs to that child like, yeah, yes. Everyone knew it was coming.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that wasn't a surprise.

[Rory]

And I'm not saying you have to agree With Cole. And again, I have no issue with anyone thinking Cole can't be the best because he backed out. I'm trying to have a conversation about what he explained and how it aligns with how you and I have felt even behind the scenes about certain with this battle. It's not about this behind the scenes.

[Mal]

That know how I felt. It was just a pedophile ball. Like, n you gonna cost a man a pedophile.

[Rory]

Like we talked about.

[Mal]

No validity to that. Like, get out of here.

[Rory]

With we talked about behind the scenes Spotify, which I don't think is true, but Spotify has put not like us on every playlist. If you have any type of algorithm, not like us comes next. That there was an entire behind the scenes executive play against Drake and Cole was addressing hiring teams bots. This is not about rapping. I don't want to do this. Everything that we've said.

[Mal]

But you still rapping because he's a rapper.

[Damaris]

He's a rapper, but you still should have retired.

[Mal]

He's still rapping about this.

[Damaris]

He's rapping about his experiences that he lives his life. Yeah. God forbid he is direct about something.

[Mal]

Text that to Drake, tell him you sorry, and that's it, man. I don't want to hear that. Get out of here with that.

[Rory]

First of all, we can find the episode.

[Mal]

No, I'm like this because I'm a real. And if A is my man and my friend and he take me on a tour and he put money in my pocket and he give me my first number one song, A can't say nothing crazy about that, man. And me and me not bomb on that. And then months later say, nah, you know, because the blood got on me. And what are you talking about?

[Peach]

Why are you acting like Kendrick and Cole are just as cool as Cole?

[Mal]

No, they not. You don't know that. You just talking. You don't know that. You don't know that.

[Peach]

And you do you have inside knowledge.

[Mal]

You don't know that.

[Peach]

Do you have inside knowledge that you're willing to share?

[Mal]

I'm looking at the optics. The niggas don't look like buddy buddies to me, okay? Not to me. I know who took him on tour. I know who took him on tour. I know who gave him his first number one song.

[Peach]

Took him on tour.

[Mal]

Yeah, he did. He took him on tour with him. That was his tour. He said, yo, come on the road with me. He took him on tour.

[Rory]

Why do you think?

[Mal]

What are we talking about?

[Rory]

Fine, I. I will. That's Hard to entertain.

[Mal]

Was that not Drake's?

[Rory]

I will entertain this. Why you think first person shooting went number one? If you think because it wasn't Drake's verse.

[Peach]

If you think first person shooter goes number one without Drake gear.

[Rory]

Don't get me wrong. When that when for all the dogs dropped. The only thing people were talking about was Cole's verse on First Person Shooter. Like, what are we talking about right now?

[Mal]

Cut it out, man. Cut it. You can't say that about a. That got no more number ones than all of these. What are y'all talking about?

[Peach]

That's fine. But first person shooter, the exact song.

[Mal]

First person start yelling. Cause y'all sound stup. What the are y'all talking about?

[Peach]

Okay, so first person shooter goes number one.

[Mal]

Would it go number one if. If Cole wasn't on it? Then Drake has more number ones than all of them.

[Rory]

Where did I say that Drake needs Cole to go number one. I never said that once. I'm telling you first.

[Mal]

Y'all saying in here. Would it have went number one if Cole wasn't on there? If his.

[Rory]

It wouldn't have. It wouldn't have.

[Peach]

It wouldn't have.

[Rory]

That song wouldn't even came out.

[Mal]

All right, all right, dog. All right. All right, cool. Yeah, all right cool. Like, all right cool.

[Rory]

That would have been a throwaway. It initially was supposed to be Kendrick too.

[Mal]

Yeah, it's like, what now y'all is talking about initially?

[Rory]

The.

[Mal]

What are you talking about in here, man? Let's talk about what that's not a fact. Let's talk about what is. Stop talking to me about.

[Rory]

And what is that song's not going number one without cold on it too.

[Mal]

Like, what about. I get it. I like cold too. But y'all gotta stop. He did some whack. He put a diss record out. He the first in hip hop history to put a dis record out and say, nah, my bad.

[Peach]

You talking about that. We've discussed a million times. Nobody's talking about that. He said it himself. Yo, strip me on my number one spot and finally I'm free.

[Mal]

Yeah. All right, well, be free, be free. Get the out of here. The.

[Rory]

Are we talking about the song? You don't want to talk about the song. We're trying to talk about the song.

[Mal]

That send that Drake. Tell him you still love him. Tell him he's still your man. I don't need to hear that.

[Peach]

Yo, first, there's two lines to Drake in this entire long ass song. Five minute song. Yeah, you talking Drake got 20 seconds.

[Damaris]

You sound like. How does like redneck sound when the Chiefs are playing football and they show Taylor Swift for a half a second. He's not talking about Drake in this.

[Mal]

I'm talking about when he's talking about Drake in this.

[Damaris]

There's a one in a five minute talk. You're focusing on one line.

[Mal]

I'm saying keep that. You could have sent to Drake. That's what I'm saying. That part. You could have sent that to Drake. I don't need to hear that. I don't need to hear about I got they blood on me. No, you don't. You went home.

[Rory]

Okay. I always want to hear elite rappers rap about what's going on.

[Mal]

Yeah, me too. Yeah, me too. Me too. Look at the irony. Yeah, me too. I do too. You don't want a dissing your bar. Rap about a on your bar. He did get the.

[Rory]

He said why he backed out.

[Mal]

Get the.

[Rory]

And I'm not here to argue with you being mad that he backed out. I agree with you there.

[Mal]

I'm not even mad he backed out. I'm not mad at that. I'm mad that you backed out. Months later, you still talking about you backing out.

[Peach]

You still. This is his first time addressing it.

[Damaris]

Yeah, God forbid you reflect on something and come back to your art form and communicate it with your audience and do it.

[Mal]

Yeah, God forbid. God forbid you put out a disregard.

[Damaris]

Maybe he should have posted more on his story. Like what the are we talking about?

[Mal]

What are you talking about?

[Damaris]

I'm talking about the song.

[Mal]

You ain't talking about no song.

[Damaris]

Yes, I am.

[Mal]

What about.

[Damaris]

It's five and a half more minutes of this.

[Mal]

What about it? What about it? Yes, he's a very. He's a great rapper. Yes, he is.

[Damaris]

Read the last He's a great rapper stanza. The last portion of lyrics is exactly what he's saying and what he what he deems to be important.

[Mal]

I don't care about what he deems to be important as an artist. I don't care about that. I don't care about that. I don't want to hear that. I don't care what you.

[Damaris]

Then if that's how you quickly love Cole.

[Peach]

What do you want to hear from Cole? What do you want to hear from Cole?

[Mal]

Put the album out. Make me. I like the. We sat here and talked about the Push the teacher.

[Peach]

When I come out, you're gonna on it.

[Mal]

So what? Why am I going. I've never on a co album in my life. What are you talking about?

[Peach]

Well, this is post beef. Remember, we always talk about post.

[Mal]

I don't want to hear nothing about this beef. Don't talk about Kendrick, don't talk about Drake. Don't talk about what happened. It's over. You didn't want to battle.

[Rory]

Cool.

[Mal]

We know what it is. Don't tell us why you didn't want to battle. You didn't want to battle. It don't give. I don't matter why you didn't want to battle.

[Peach]

Some people do care about why he didn't want to.

[Mal]

Man. Nobody care about that shit. The real niggas that write, the real rappers, they don't give a fuck about none of this shit. And I can tell you that for a fact. The real niggas y'all listen to that really write rhymes and rap. They don't want to hear this shit. They looking at cold, like, dog, you didn't want to battle. It's okay if you didn't want to battle.

[Rory]

You don't think Jay Z walked out the kitchen when he saw that, dropped and went in the backyard, said, beyonce, give me a minute to listen to this three times. You are bugging. I was listening to last night. Everybody listened to this last night. Drake, who's an elite rapper, walked outside to his back yard and listened to that shit twice.

[Mal]

And then what?

[Peach]

Apparently sent you a voice note and told you how much you don't fuck with them. This is what it's given to me.

[Mal]

Okay, Send me a voice moving a little bit. Fuck out of.

[Rory]

To the other side here. Do you think that I lied on Cole when I created the narrative that he picked aside?

[Mal]

I don't. I don't even know which. If you created that narrative, I don't even know. And I told you what I told you, and I say it again today. He didn't have to pick a side. Aside was picked already picked already. You know, Drake ain't with you.

[Rory]

Okay, And. And so what is the. Remember our last few episodes, you have.

[Mal]

No side to pick. It was only one side he could go to.

[Rory]

But when you go ahead and do a song with somebody, that's my op. After that entire thing, I felt like he picked a side. So do you think I lied on him or.

[Mal]

No, no, no. But. But again, I don't think he had a side. He only had one side to choose from. He. Drake ain't with you. You know that. Clearly you know that. You ain't spoke to that since before the whole set off.

[Rory]

Do you think Cole even particularly cares about what his relationship With Drake at this point, I don't know what he cares about. We're talking.

[Mal]

I don't know. I don't know what Cole cares about. I don't. I know Cole is a great rapper. He makes great music, but that best rapper shit, he could never, ever wear that title again in his career.

[Rory]

You don't think there's anything honorable about after that entire situation saying, yo, I would never be embarrassed to say you have done so much for me because you and myself have also been on this podcast saying how much Drake has done for every artist in the game right now.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So you and a lot of artists have pretended he didn't do anything so we could be like, yo, bro, I'm. No, I'm not embarrassed. Even though he's a peer. Thank you for everything you did. I appreciate you.

[Mal]

Okay. Why you. You could have text that to Drake.

[Rory]

What?

[Mal]

I don't need to hear you say that.

[Rory]

I hope elite rappers rap everything instead of texting it when I don't want any.

[Mal]

I want them to the situation. No.

[Rory]

Why?

[Mal]

I don't care. Because you didn't b. It's over. You didn't battle. Stop telling us. Don't tell us why you didn't battle nobody. It doesn't matter.

[Rory]

But you didn't tell us on stage that he didn't want to. He could have texted that to Drake.

[Mal]

Exactly. You told you on stage. You said why you didn't want to. So leave it there. On stage in Dreamville. Leave it there. That's it. Months later, now you're giving us a verse dedicated to Drake and why you dedicated to Drake?

[Rory]

What the are you talking about?

[Mal]

Was this last verse. Was. Was not part of this last verse dedicated to Drake?

[Rory]

No, it was dedicated to his point of view of what happened after he backed out at Dreamville.

[Mal]

So he didn't say Drake's name.

[Rory]

Two lines of a 94 bar verse is not a dedication to Aubrey Graham.

[Mal]

So send that. Whatever you had to say about the beef and that. Send that to Drake. Anything else? I want to hear anything else I'll glad. Yeah, because you just want to hear what he has to say. I don't. I don't care to hear what he has to say about the Then I.

[Rory]

Don'T want Drake to text Kendrick how he feels right now. I want him to rap about it.

[Damaris]

But the whole thing played out publicly. Cole wants to address it publicly. That's what he's doing as an artist.

[Mal]

No, no, but you. You didn't battle. It does. You said why you didn't want to battle.

[Damaris]

He's not battling here. He's just addressing his point of view on it.

[Mal]

But he said it at Dreamville. He said he expressed how he felt.

[Damaris]

And as an artist, he can. You should expect to hear more from.

[Rory]

An artist and then dedicated a music.

[Mal]

I don't want to hear music, though. I don't want to hear about his position on his battle.

[Damaris]

It's music.

[Mal]

I don't want to hear about his position on the battle.

[Damaris]

Well, then that's a personal decision that you don't want to hear that anything.

[Rory]

Who gives a what we think about this battle? Cole is the number one person I want to hear from, and then I.

[Mal]

Want to hear music from.

[Rory]

I don't care about YouTubers, podcasters, us. We are the last people that I even want to hear from. I want to hear from them, the.

[Damaris]

Person that lived it also.

[Peach]

He's an artist, and he has the freedom to express himself. He can release whatever he want. You have the choice not to listen to it. But if he wants to express himself being an artist, and this is his form of expression, and he has every right to do that. And there are people who want to hear it. You don't want to listen to it. You don't believe him, you not on his side, that's fine. He sat up there and said, y'all stripped me on my number one spot, and now I'm finally free. I'm not competing anymore. I can release whatever I want because I know that I'll never be number one. Y'all will never call me number one. So I can say whatever I want. I can do whatever I want, and I am finally free.

[Mal]

What is rap? This is hip hop. This is rap.

[Damaris]

See, now that when you say that, you're applying codes and rules that you deem important.

[Mal]

What the fuck are we talking about?

[Rory]

Because they.

[Mal]

This is rap.

[Rory]

Because they instigate the fuckery, because it's profitable. But singing Stop the Violence tunes when Deuce is in the hospital, this is not just dedicated solely to his position at Dreamville Fest. This is a look and a point of view of where all rap battle shit is at now and who's profiting off what. Vince Staples had the best reply to this entire thing. Why is no one talking about publishing?

[Mal]

Talking about publishing?

[Rory]

Because. Because. And, you know, listen, I was also the same person that came in here and said Styles P had the best take when Drake backed out of that battle. You can't dictate the rules. You can't back out. This Is the mud. Like, this is the culture when it comes to battling. And I agree with that. But at this point, we can't take a step back and look how far this shit has gone. It's no longer two emcees going back and forth to each other. The Super Bowl's involved, streaming's involved, the DSP is involved.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And you say there's a song that goes, pedophile, pedophile, pedophile. That is the number one fucking song in. In the world.

[Peach]

And we can't.

[Rory]

We should step back and go, all right, man, listen, I love URL, but this is a little. This is different.

[Peach]

And we can't say that people aren't getting blood drawn when Rick Ross got jumped for playing a song in Toronto or wherever he was.

[Mal]

I mean, that's.

[Peach]

But that.

[Rory]

But this is. Come on.

[Peach]

I mean, no, it's not a serious thing, but this.

[Rory]

Sometimes you gotta get punched. I've been punched. I've been punched in the eye a bunch of times.

[Peach]

But then you also.

[Rory]

Sometimes you need to get punch.

[Peach]

You also can't say that shit does not grow from this. My point in saying that is this could go nasty. When you are calling people pedophiles and calling people wife abusers and this and that, things can get nasty and things can be taken the wrong way.

[Damaris]

A security guard did get shot outside of Drake's house. We just want to lose sight of that, too.

[Rory]

And we're not all sitting here pretending like rap beef has not spilled into the streets. But it was probably street shit before it was rap shit. But we talked about right after, like that and push ups. This is amazing because we know these two are not going to actually harm each other. This can stay on wax. Finally, because we have seen most of what rap beef now is, especially on the drill side is actual beef that people are just rapping about after. It's not rap beef. So we were happy about this. Right. The only way for it to work in these times is to take it as far as pedophile, because just rapid on wax don't even work. So how do you even have a battle in this day and age? Because we don't want it to get violent. But if we need to keep it on wax, we have to go as far as calling someone a pedophile. So if I'm Cole and I know that that's coming. Peace. I'm gonna go sit with my wife and kids.

[Mal]

All right. You done?

[Rory]

Sure.

[Mal]

All right. So my stance is this. Cole is one of the best rappers we've ever had. There's no doubt about it. He's one of the best rappers I've ever heard. No doubt about it. When you was talking about rapping and emceeing, which I think Cole does at a high level, he's a great emcee. He's a great rapper. You have a rap battle, somebody steps on your bar. In rapping, that's blatant disrespect. It's time to stand on your pen. He jumped out there, he put a record out. Boom. Felt some type of way, took the record back. Cool stepped away from the battle. Drake and Kendrick do they thing. Cool. No matter who you think won, that's your decision. Cool. All I'm sitting here saying is today I want to hear Cole rap. Love the joint to put out with T. Grizzly thought that verse was crazy. He's had some other verses he put out that I like.

[Rory]

Kyle Greens with Daylight Is Fire.

[Mal]

Like that joint. I'm simply saying this. When it comes to saying, like, things you've asked. Is he the best rapper right now? He can no longer, ever, ever compete for that title. It doesn't happen. It can't happen. Which is fine. That was his choice to make, and I think he's okay with that, right? He's still gonna be successful. He's still gonna sell a lot of records, still gonna sell a lot of tickets to his shows, still has a fan base, career goes on. I'm strictly talking about when you say, yo, who's the best rapper right now? His name is no longer allowed in that hat. Because you can't be a rapper in the mc. And when another rapper in the emcee blatantly disrespects you and comes at you, putting out a record and taking it back is absolute blasphemy.

[Rory]

And I have.

[Mal]

I don't know if it's ever happened.

[Rory]

It probably has.

[Mal]

If you feel that way, that's absolute blasphemy. So that alone is saying, okay, you don't want to engage in a battle. Cool. I'm just saying, me personally, if you're an artist and I'm an artist, and you have a tour and you say, maul, come on the road with me. Okay, I go on the road with you. We do tours, we go around different cities. I make millions of dollars going on the road with you. You're my first song that went number one.

[Rory]

Okay?

[Mal]

There's no way that a rapper will shit on that song on my bar. And I don't fully engage in a.

[Rory]

Battle with that dude, I don't have an argument.

[Mal]

And that's all I'm saying.

[Rory]

That's fine.

[Mal]

Doesn't take nothing away from Cole's ability to rap. Doesn't take nothing away from Cole's ability to put out great songs. Doesn't take nothing away from Cole's ability to make great albums. I'm simply saying when we sit around and start saying, who's the best rapper, you cannot put Cole's name in that hat no more.

[Rory]

And again, I have no issue with that take or people that feel that way. In conclusion, how I feel about this, as someone that lives and breathes this hip hop shit and loves when rappers actually beef on record and want that to actually continue to move forward with the culture, I also don't particularly care when it comes to good music. I'm going to listen to Kendrick, I'm going to listen to Drake, I'm going to listen to J. Cole, and I hope they all put out incredible music. And I'm not going to listen to it with the ear that you can no longer rap or make good music because I feel like you backed out of a battle. Now, I'm also fine with the take that he can't be number one because he backed out. But if you think I listen to this with an ear to not enjoy it because I thought it was bad that Cole backed out, you're crazy. I love music way too much to make a battle define how I view another rapper. But who said that you're saying it can't be. You didn't even want to hear this shit. I want to hear it.

[Mal]

No, I'm somebody. I don't want to hear what he has to say to Drake. I heard the song. I like this. I like the bars, but all that shit to Drake. Yo, you still my. I love you. I don't want to hear that shit, man. Okay, like, dude, text that to that man. Nobody want to. I don't want to hear that shit. Like, you know what?

[Damaris]

You don't see Mall as someone that you've come on here a lot and talk about ending violence in hip hop and. And being the pin. I'm just. I'm not talking about situations. Listen to me. We talk about changing hip hop and. And moving away from the violence and stepping into the integrity, all the. That you usually say you don't think or see the value in one of the biggest artists in the world speaking directly to another one of the biggest artists in the world on a record and seeing how, like, just gestures like that Lyrics like that, actions like that help move the culture in, like, a healthier space. Just objectively speaking, these guys are. Cole's speaking directly to Drake. Saying by name and the line that he delivered with his name in it. You don't see how that would help move or, like, push hip hop in a more positive direction at all. Fuck the beef. I'm just saying, in general, everything you're.

[Mal]

Saying is valid if Cole doesn't put out a record.

[Damaris]

But see, it has nothing to do.

[Mal]

With the record is valid if Cole never responds. That's my issue here. You responded. You put out a record. You did that. If you never did that, oh, we don't have. It's like, yo, fuck it. He didn't want to engage. It's cool. But you can't engage and then say, nah. You know, you've never done something and.

[Damaris]

Had a change of heart afterwards.

[Mal]

Oh, I've punched niggas in the face. Jump. Nick beat niggas up. All that. Got home and was like, we was wrong for that. But I ain't stop in the middle of the fight and be like, yo, nah, y'all. And he and homie swung on me first.

[Rory]

That's actually usually the guy that get.

[Mal]

Hit, that gets hit. And the dude swung on me first. Kendrick swung first. Let's be clear. Kendrick punched J. Cole in the mouth. Not, of course, not literally. But he responded to that bar. He sitting on Cole's bar. All Cole was supposed to do was fight back. And he did. And then decided, nah, I don't want to fight you. All right, man, cool. You don't want to fight. Cool. But you can't hang out at the cool table no more. You can't run. Me and you can't be friends. And we just made all this money together and we lit. And then a nigga stepped to you and punch you in your face, and I get in the fight for you. Pretty much is what Drake did. Cause he on your bar. But fuck it, it's my. It's on my song, on my album. I'm getting at it. He has some slick shit to say about me. All right, cool. But I can't start fighting this nigga and then you run and go home.

[Peach]

We really pretending that was about Drake.

[Rory]

Grabbed his ball and ran home and ran to LeBron.

[Mal]

Cut it out.

[Rory]

Barber check.

[Mal]

Cut it out. Cut it out. Because you. You just talking about he didn't put out another song or he didn't want to put out any.

[Rory]

He got punched in the mouth.

[Mal]

He put out and you said, bro.

[Rory]

You'Re taking it too far.

[Mal]

He put out music, and he continued to put music.

[Damaris]

Yeah, Drake, literally.

[Mal]

And three days later, that was off. Dsps.

[Damaris]

Yo, Mall.

[Mal]

I don't want to hear it, by the way.

[Rory]

I don't want to hear it. I have no issue with Drake.

[Mal]

I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear it. It don't matter what you about to say, because you wrong.

[Rory]

No, I don't care.

[Mal]

I don't care about.

[Rory]

He said, I don't want to beef. And then the whole A side of Scorpion is still talking about it.

[Mal]

What are you talking about? The A side of Scorpion? What are you talking is the Push.

[Rory]

The entire.

[Peach]

The entire Scorpion inside is about Pusha.

[Rory]

T and Kanye West. What are we talking about? He said, yo, I don't want to do this anymore. You guys took it way too far. Like, I'm done with this. And then dedicated the whole album to discussing what happened.

[Mal]

That's not what happened, though. That's not what we talking about two different things here. We talking about two different things here. We talking about two different things here. That situation clearly went a whole nother way and other people got involved. I was like, this shit. Somebody got hurt in Toronto on stage. Somebody got stabbed. That shit went a whole different way.

[Rory]

That. Wait, first of all, that happened after.

[Mal]

Happened after what?

[Rory]

After this. Back.

[Peach]

After the take.

[Mal]

Back. What I'm. What I'm saying is that situation was a. That was really a.

[Rory]

It had not gone too far, except for quote, unquote, exposing Drake's kid. That was as far as it went.

[Mal]

Oh, listen to what I'm saying. That situation was way more personal and way more behind the scenes than this situation. Kendrick and Cole.

[Rory]

Cole is saying you're calling someone a pedophile. I don't want to be a part of this.

[Mal]

Are you listening? Why are you talking about what he's saying to Drake? I'm talking about Kendrick and Cole. You talking about Drake? You keep bringing Drake name up. I'm saying Kendrick and Cole didn't have no real beef with each other. It wasn't no street shit with each other. Cole, Kendrick just sitting on his bar, and as an emcee, you're supposed to stand on your bar and defend your bars.

[Rory]

And I'm saying Cole is suggesting that he had heard where they were going to take it and it was going to get too personal. The same way drake sat with LeBron and said it got too personal. I don't want to do this anymore.

[Mal]

Why do you keep.

[Rory]

And then he explained what happened happen.

[Mal]

You can't keep Drake name out your mouth. Stop saying. Stop saying Drake. What? Yes, you the only. I didn't say anything.

[Rory]

I love Drake.

[Mal]

I said Kendrick and Cole. Kendrick and Cole. That's why I'm keeping it.

[Rory]

You keep going.

[Mal]

But when Drake did a Scorpion. I'm not talking about Drake, but I'm talking about.

[Damaris]

That's not fair, Maul, because he's using an example of you. You're the very thing you're critiquing call of doing Drake did years before that. And on top of that, on a bigger platform.

[Rory]

Why can't I bring up Drake when you keep saying, yo, if somebody brought me on tour, gave me a million dollars, gave me my first number one hit, you keep bringing up Drake. What are we talking about?

[Mal]

I'm replying to what you're saying. All right, man.

[Rory]

I love. I love hip hop debates.

[Mal]

What we got next?

[Rory]

I love everyone in here. This is all healthy. I promise.

[Mal]

I don't. I don't care to ever talk about any of this again.

[Damaris]

Well, that's not gonna happen. We're going to.

[Mal]

I don't. I'm not talking about none of this again. Y'all have a. Y'all have a blast. Because no matter what happens, J. Cole is your guy. He can do no wrong. In your eyes, you can't see how he's trying to stop violence in hip hop.

[Peach]

He's disadmined, and he can't do no wrong. In your eyes.

[Mal]

Of course. And that's my whole point. Of course he can. But the only time Drake name come, it ain't me bringing Drake's name up. Y'all bring Drake name up. Yo, this Drake. Drake. And then I got to respond to the shit. So now it look like I'm talking about Drake. I don't care to ever talk about none of this shit. Y'all want to keep talking. Okay, so here we are. Y'all not going to change the narrative, make it seem like. Nah. But Cole, you know, he just felt like it was about to go a different way, and he doesn't want to see no violence in hip hop. And this. That. Man, shut the up with all that. This is rapping, man.

[Rory]

See, we agree there. I'm just talking about the record.

[Mal]

No, you don't. You don't agree there. It's going too far. We're talking about pedophilia. We're talk. This apologized before pedophile even came into the play. This took his record back.

[Rory]

I'M aware.

[Mal]

So what are we talking about?

[Rory]

I'm talking about this recording about taking.

[Mal]

The record back when you shot. Don't say your gun is still deadly if you don't. Nigga, you shot.

[Rory]

We had that conversation already.

[Mal]

Don't you gun is still deadly if you don't shoot. Nigga, you shot. You shot a record out there. You threw a record out there.

[Rory]

I'm talking about this song.

[Mal]

I'm talking about this song.

[Rory]

I've agreed with you.

[Mal]

I'm talking about this song.

[Rory]

For months, he's compared itself.

[Mal]

A gun is still deadly even if you don't shoot. Is that what he said?

[Rory]

I believe that is he shoot the gun. Yeah.

[Mal]

Thank you.

[Rory]

He did.

[Mal]

Thank you.

[Rory]

And then said, I don't want to be the gun.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

He tried to grab the bullet out of mid air and take it and put it back in the barrel. I know.

[Rory]

What's that Angelina Jolie movie they curved Wanted.

[Damaris]

It's a great.

[Mal]

He did.

[Rory]

He did want it. It went around. Morgan Freeman said, I don't know what he did.

[Mal]

Still a great rapper. But when that best rapper that y'all be talking to here, who's the best man? Get the out of.

[Rory]

But he said in that same bar you're quoting that he doesn't want to be the gun. And I'm saying it's okay to have your opinion that you view him differently for it. I on record have said the same thing. I'm talking about this. Right. He's telling us the exact same things you and I have said. Me, you, and Cole are all aligned.

[Mal]

I've never. No, we're not. I've never said none of this. That he's saying.

[Rory]

He said he didn't want to be the gun. You just said that.

[Mal]

But you were the gun.

[Rory]

You shot and then said I don't want to be that. I realized I didn't want to be the gun.

[Mal]

You can't unring a bell, nigga. What are we talking about?

[Rory]

And that's okay for you to feel that way. I agree there, but I'm talking about the song and what he's saying.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

I'm not co signing that.

[Mal]

What? The song.

[Rory]

I love the song.

[Mal]

Of course. You co signing it. Yeah. You jacking it.

[Rory]

I think it's an incredible song and I love to hear his point of view of the last month. Okay, I can disagree. I. I think he. When you put out Seven Minute Drill, you're in the. So. Yeah, I agree with you there, but why can't we look at this with fresh eyes and be like, all right. He's. He's talking about what happened and bringing another perspective. What's wrong with that? He's telling us why it happened.

[Peach]

Nobody's forgetting.

[Rory]

You don't have to. You don't have to agree with him.

[Peach]

Yeah, nobody's forgetting that he's dropped out. Nobody's saying, oh, he back to being the number one word. Just says that to piss you off. Like, it doesn't take away the past couple months and what happened, but it. It's still a good song from a good perspective. Like, I don't feel like I don't understand.

[Mal]

It wasn't a good song.

[Damaris]

Nah, nah.

[Mal]

Who said it wasn't a good song? I said it wasn't a good song.

[Rory]

No, you never said that. Okay.

[Peach]

You just said, no, don't nobody want to hear this. Keep this.

[Mal]

You love him, and all that after backing out of a battle that came at you first. Really? He disrespected you.

[Peach]

We all know. Like, we all knew who Kendrick wanted smoke with, and it was not J. Cole. We said that from the beginning.

[Mal]

Yes, we know that. That. We know that this was your beef.

[Peach]

No, it wasn't.

[Rory]

And that's also what Cole is saying on this entire thing. This wasn't about me. What the am I even doing here?

[Mal]

This wasn't about me. And he's on your bar. This ain't about me. He's sitting on what you said.

[Rory]

What did Damaris just say?

[Mal]

Why? I don't care what she said. Why you keep making excuses for this?

[Rory]

I'm not making excuses. He backed out. He put out seven minute drill.

[Mal]

He wasn't really going at Cole. He was going at Drake. What are we talking about?

[Rory]

No, see, you're missing to what Demerist just said. We knew the goal was for Kendrick to go at Drake. It wasn't for Cole.

[Mal]

Of course it was to go at Drake. Drake is the biggest world. Of course you shoot at the top. Yeah, of course. But he still on your bar.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Now it's just. Yeah. All right, man.

[Rory]

Matter of fact, we could probably go to the episode when, like, that came out, and you said it was a weak bar that shouldn't even have any response to it whatsoever.

[Mal]

I did feel like that.

[Rory]

Like, why would even. Why would someone even feel like. And we also said this has nothing to do with Cole whatsoever. This is 1000% just a Drake shot.

[Mal]

We knew it was that Drake because Drake is the star.

[Rory]

He's the biggest star, and Cole did something that I disagree with. From a rapper's perspective. And that will always be on his jacket.

[Mal]

That's all I'm speaking to.

[Rory]

But that doesn't deteriorate my mind from wanting to listen to amazing J. Cole music, Especially when he's explaining a situation that has been the biggest thing in this modern time of hip hop.

[Mal]

But what is.

[Rory]

I'm always here for it.

[Mal]

What is there to explain outside of what he did at Dreamville on stage?

[Rory]

Oh, God.

[Mal]

What is it?

[Rory]

Just listen to the verse, though.

[Mal]

I don't.

[Damaris]

Yeah, just relist.

[Mal]

What is that?

[Damaris]

He says it all in this song.

[Mal]

And it's nothing to explain. You didn't want to battle cool. All of this. I got they blood on me. No, you don't.

[Damaris]

Now really hyper focused on that one line.

[Rory]

And mind you, I'm listening to.

[Mal]

He's saying. He's saying he got their blood on him. No, you don't. No, you don't.

[Rory]

Well, he's a. Rappers have metaphors.

[Mal]

You.

[Peach]

Well, you. You also just sat here. You just sat here and said that all of this happened because of Cole's bars. So if you're saying that all of this happened because of Cole's bars, then, yes, Drake being called a pedophile and Kendrick now being questioned as being a domestic abuser, that is blood. And yes, it is on Cole's hands. According to you, saying that he's the reason his beef started. So, yes, technically, the blood would be on his hands.

[Mal]

I said he's the reason it started.

[Peach]

You just sat up here and said.

[Rory]

He was on his.

[Peach]

He on his bar.

[Mal]

This guy saying he's the reason it started. I never said Cole is the reason this started. I said he disrespected you. Another mc Disrespected another mc, and you went home, you took your basketball, went home, you left the park. Okay. That's all I'm saying. Like, okay, cool. You didn't want to play ball. You can't come back to the park talking about you the best in the. In the city. No, you're not. No, you're not. We. When the lights was bright and it was time to dance, you went home and made some tea.

[Rory]

Do you. Do you think in this record that he focused on saying that he was the best?

[Mal]

Did I say that?

[Rory]

I'm asking you, do I think he said that?

[Mal]

I don't know if he's focused on saying he's the best.

[Rory]

No. Okay.

[Mal]

I'm just saying, when it comes to anything with Drake, Kendrick, Cole, just leave it. Don't even speak on it just leave it alone. Because when it was time to say what you had to say and how you felt, you left you. He could have said that. He could have said that as part of the battle.

[Rory]

As. As a. A rap fan, I would love to hear Kendrick do something very similar. This and Drake too. Not even going at each other explaining how the they feel after this whole thing.

[Mal]

Now you just want to. Now you just want nosy. Now you just trying to be nosy. No, let them talk behind scenes. We don't. I don't.

[Peach]

Why?

[Rory]

Why I love. Because he tells me all about his personal life.

[Mal]

I don't need none of this in the music.

[Rory]

Why I love Kendrick is cuz he tell Mr. Morale was the nosiest album ever.

[Mal]

Yeah, but I don't need this battle.

[Rory]

I found out his auntie was a man.

[Mal]

I don't need to hear none of this battle in these. If y'all the battle is over and it's done, just let it be done. That's it. And that's my thing with Cole. Just let it be done.

[Rory]

I know that Cole's mother has exper. Experimented with crack. What are we talking about? This is why we love rappers. Because they tell us about their personal life.

[Mal]

Have to do with the battle. Battle.

[Damaris]

Well, it's his life.

[Mal]

I don't want to hear about the battle.

[Damaris]

This isn't about the battle.

[Mal]

I'm talking any. Okay.

[Rory]

I would love Drake verse just like this about what's going on right now. I would love a Kendrick 1, 2, not even going at each other. Matter of fact, I can't say the word. It's one of my favorite Nas songs, though. The last real N word alive. Nas told the whole story of how he felt before, during, and after the Jay Z beef. One of my favorite Nas songs ever.

[Mal]

But you just killed Drake for doing that on Scorpion.

[Rory]

No, I didn't.

[Damaris]

I hadn't.

[Rory]

You said he's talking about the whole.

[Mal]

First side of Scorpion.

[Rory]

I had no issue with it. I wanted to hear about it. I'm saying I was comparing it to you having an issue with Cole doing something similar. I have no issue. I love a side of Scorpion because.

[Mal]

Cole didn't want to battle. That's the only reason why I have an issue with him speaking. You didn't want to battle. What's so hard for you to comprehend? He did not want to battle. My only issue with him speaking on any of the shit is that you did not want to battle and you didn't want to do that.

[Rory]

I'm just trying to get you to be consistent in your argument. Because the intro to Scorpion, which is incredible survival, starts with, man, I was about to. Nah, I thought about it. If Cole said that exact same bar, you would kill him.

[Mal]

What are you talking about, man?

[Rory]

I was about to. Nah, I thought about it. We were waiting for you to reply to story I added on. We couldn't wait. Now where I'm being inconsistent is that Drake stepped in in the arena W Freestyle to me, is one of the best diss records ever. But then someone punched you in your nose and then you backed out. Oh, I don't put a stain on his jacket for it.

[Mal]

That's what happened.

[Rory]

Okay, I'm from my. Maybe you know something. I don't know.

[Mal]

I don't know nothing.

[Rory]

That's just what I saw. And I would love to hear from Drake about how he feels now. I don't even need. I don't even care if he disses Kendrick. Just tell me. Tell me how you feel. Kendrick, I don't even want you to go at Drake. Talk about what happened. Same way Nas did in that record broke down. Everything that was going on, I think. And I think it's one of the most genius records ever. I would love that from all elite rappers, especially when it comes to the biggest rap beefs ever. That's just where I stand with it.

[Mal]

Again, where I stand is Cole's one of the best rappers I've ever heard. One of the best rappers we've ever seen. All I'm saying is best rapper ever of your time generation. All of that is null and void. That's all that's cool.

[Rory]

That's your opinion.

[Mal]

And I'm not mad at that phenomenal mc, still a phenomenal rapper. But when it was time to really show who you were, we saw it, you didn't want no parts of it. And then. And deeper than that, away from that, that. The up part is now, Cole, you can't respond to nobody.

[Rory]

I mean, everybody. He can do whatever he wants. We can just have.

[Mal]

No, he can't. No, you can't. No, you can't. No, that's selective politician. Don't do that.

[Rory]

How is it?

[Mal]

Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. When Kendrick wanted smoke when he on your bar, you didn't want no parts of it. Now, don't go at the. The lower tier that. You know what I'm saying, might have something slick to say about you. Don't do that.

[Rory]

Okay, well, can I ask you.

[Mal]

Don't do that.

[Rory]

Can I ask you one more question?

[Mal]

Don't do that.

[Rory]

And this is me bringing up Drake, not you, at the end of Heart Part six when he's suggesting, why are you dragging this out? Like, I don't even want to do this anymore. Like, I would have danced to that. But you talk about some weird. Like, I'm cool. You burnt this out, bro. Is that not similar to what Cole did? Especially after Drake had a song that was drop. Drop. Drop was on Instagram, non stop saying, yo, where you at? Where you at? And then once Kendrick dropped him, how many songs? He said, why'd you drop so many songs?

[Mal]

How many songs? How many songs did Drake put out before the hard parts? 6. How. How many verses did he put out? Dedicated to.

[Rory]

Oh, I mean, verses a lot, which I think is great.

[Mal]

All right, cool.

[Rory]

But why are you telling someone to keep dropping and then when they drop, you go, yo, you burnt it out. Like, I don't even want to do this no more.

[Mal]

Stop.

[Damaris]

I'm happy I can motivate you.

[Mal]

I don't.

[Rory]

I don't put stain on anyone one's jacket at all. Like, I disagree with what Drake said at the end of this, and I disagree with Cole backing out, but that doesn't make me not listen to this music and want to analyze it and talk about it and like it.

[Mal]

No.

[Rory]

And want to hear more from them.

[Mal]

Oh, you know, I always want to hear from these rappers. He's the best we have. I also want to hear from them. I just don't want to hear nothing about why you didn't battle. I don't want to hear that. Save that shit.

[Rory]

That's literally what Drake said at the end of hard part 6. I don't want to battle anymore.

[Peach]

Rory, just.

[Mal]

Why you keep going to the hard part? How much shit did he put out before that back?

[Rory]

He kept saying, drop records, and then he dropped them. And then he said, why'd you drop so many records?

[Mal]

Yeah. And how many records did Cole drop?

[Rory]

One.

[Mal]

How many did you take back?

[Rory]

It's still on YouTube.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, I bet. I bet it's on YouTube.

[Rory]

I just want to say I love everyone in the room. There's positive energy here.

[Peach]

No, there ain't.

[Mal]

Where?

[Damaris]

Where?

[Rory]

Oh, wait, don't tell me. Y'all just can't argue about hip hop passionately and think that there's actually. People are mad at each other, right? Who?

[Mal]

I'm not mad.

[Rory]

Oh, no, I know. I know you.

[Mal]

And I'm not mad at nobody.

[Rory]

This isn't how y'all argue about hip hop?

[Mal]

That's the. You know, that's the.

[Rory]

I was just screaming in your face last night about Taboo. It's the same thing when it comes to discussing hip hop.

[Mal]

But they love Cole. I understand. I get it.

[Peach]

I'm not about to be sitting up here and be painted like, I can't be objective about Cole. I just stop arguing sometimes because you don't really be trying to listen. So, like, there's.

[Mal]

I don't be trying to listen.

[Peach]

No, you don't.

[Mal]

All I did was until I started talking.

[Peach]

You feel how you feel about Cole, and you feel that way. So anytime anybody, everybody bigs him up or has a different opinion. You say that people can't be objective. And that's just.

[Mal]

I never said who. I said can be objective.

[Peach]

You literally told me that last episode that I can't be objective about Cole. Then when you were just talking about it, you like, yeah, you know, that's their guy. So it has nothing to do with that. We can be objective about Cole. We came in here and on him right along with you when he did that. You on him when he did that. We on him. We agreed that he should have unplugged everything. I have a whole.

[Mal]

But you didn't on him, though. Don't say you on Cole. You didn't on. You may have agreed that E should have unplugged that and that he shouldn't.

[Peach]

Have did that and that. We were disappointed. Yeah, we all agreed on that.

[Mal]

You didn't on him.

[Peach]

Okay, well, no.

[Damaris]

The extent of the insult wasn't good enough. I mean, we. Yeah, we were disappointed. Is that not.

[Mal]

You could not. Not be disappointed if you're a cold fan. There's no way to not be disappointed when he did that. Everybody. Every cold fan in the. In that. At that. That's.

[Damaris]

Our point being is we can toggle between being a fan of hip hop and wanting that beef to play out, but then also understanding we see both sides of it objectively.

[Mal]

There's no way you can be a true Cole fan and see his side of not battling as a true Cole fan. You wanted to see him get in that ring.

[Damaris]

We did. That's what we're saying.

[Peach]

I can want you to do something and understand why you didn't. That's not. I can disagree, but I can still understand why you didn't do that and be able to say, okay, hey, if I was in your position, I don't know, I might have took that, too. I don't know. I've never been in that position before for. I don't know. I don't know what you knew and what you didn't knew. I don't know who was in your ear and who wasn't.

[Mal]

You know why I can't with Damaris?

[Rory]

Why?

[Mal]

What's homie's name that fried her up and she put out a YouTube video going right back at that Derek. Derek went at you and you went right. You bust right back. So don't sit here and say no, I could understand you bust right back at there. We're not doing that.

[Rory]

You went personal too.

[Mal]

We not doing that. So you as a. As an emcee. You stood on yours. You stood on your pencil. How did you say this?

[Peach]

But I didn't have anything. I didn't have anything.

[Mal]

You ain't back out from Derek. You went right for Derek neck.

[Peach]

I didn't have anything to lose back then. I don't know if I would have the same reaction right now. I didn't have anything to lose right now.

[Mal]

It'll be worse. It'll be worse if A dissed you right now. What? It'll be worse. Your response will be worse.

[Rory]

I don't think you're actually listening because I was saying the exact same thing. We wanted Cole to do that and we disagree with him backing out.

[Mal]

Everybody agree. We understand.

[Rory]

Cuz he explained it doesn't make it okay.

[Mal]

No, man. Nobody. I don't understand that. I will never understand a rapper.

[Rory]

Say yo. Hustling just ain't you.

[Mal]

Okay? I will never.

[Rory]

It's just not you. That's not you.

[Mal]

I will never understand a rapper. Not especially when you telling us you Muhammad Ali, you this, that you the greatest.

[Peach]

So m. You don't have nothing. You don't have nothing in the tuck. No deep dark secrets that somebody might know about and might want to put out. Nothing.

[Mal]

Nothing in my closet. That's why I could talk my. And drag my dick all over the place.

[Rory]

I love that energy.

[Mal]

It's nothing in my closet. Nothing I ain't never did no wax, no sucker, no nasty with no underage girl. Never did none of that. Ain't none of that in my closet. Only thing in my closet is some fresh. You can get fly going in that.

[Rory]

Would you ever come out of it?

[Mal]

Who you talking to?

[Rory]

I'm with you. Like I'm trying to lighten up. That was.

[Peach]

That was good though. That was a good shot.

[Mal]

I don't play like that.

[Rory]

First of all, Paul, your life. I heard.

[Mal]

I know. Cause they Already? See, I already done went through my time on the Internet when started to say I was gay anyway, so I. I don't even play who cares?

[Damaris]

I care.

[Mal]

Why do I care?

[Rory]

If somebody called me gay, I'd laugh.

[Mal]

I don't care. To the point when I'm. I'm not addressing on the Internet. I'm just saying we ain't gonna play that game. Because then they clip that and be like. Like you're gonna get mad at Rory for saying I got mad. No, I said we're not gonna play like that. Yeah, well, actually, I didn't. I got mad at Rory.

[Rory]

I actually got mad.

[Mal]

I've never been mad at Rory in my life. What are you talking about? I'm not mad at him. When have I ever gotten mad at Rory? When you see me mad.

[Rory]

We've had disagreement, arguments, but like, mad.

[Mal]

You think I've ever gotten mad at you? You think I was ever like, yo, Rory worry the are we talking about in here?

[Peach]

Oh, can't relate. I'll be like that every 10 minutes.

[Mal]

Never. I've never. I've never felt like that about.

[Rory]

That's because I haven't smoked more on Taboo. You have a different perspective. I'd be mad at me too.

[Mal]

N. Nobody can't smoke me a taboo. I done with stood too many interrogations. I know how to say everything and nothing at the same time.

[Damaris]

Damn right.

[Mal]

I'm the nicest in the world.

[Peach]

Okay, so, Ma, if I'm saying okay, so, it's two words, right?

[Rory]

Do a deposition. And I want to be. It's never happened to me. I've never been an interrogation room. Like, I kind of want to experience that and like, check it off my list.

[Mal]

Only might be better than me in. In what? Y'all playing charades Taboo table Only by.

[Rory]

Me better hurting was trying to do charades. That's why they kept losing.

[Mal]

Only person that might be better than me a taboo is YSL Woody. Yo, it's only thing that might be better than me and Tab.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah. He's killing it on the stand.

[Mal]

They about to have a mistrial. They could have throw that whole out with Woody up there on the stand.

[Rory]

And again, civilian over here. Is he a snitch?

[Mal]

I don't know.

[Rory]

Or is he a genius?

[Mal]

I don't even know if he's a real person at this point. The shit he up there doing. I'm like, yo, that gotta be AI we looking at. There's no way that these in the court really do it.

[Rory]

I have never seen Anyone spin a prosecutor or the police like that? In my entire life.

[Mal]

Life, yeah. He might be the only one that got me in Taboo. Anybody else? It's gonna be a long night.

[Rory]

Like, not even we Bay did that. I've never seen anyone spend a cop like that in my entire life. Getting on the stand and said, I lied about everything. I'm telling the truth now.

[Mal]

Yeah. Prosecutor like, wait, what? Like, yeah.

[Damaris]

Nah.

[Rory]

Yo, being the star witness against the person that's on trial to then just say. And I don't even, like, know him like that.

[Mal]

And they pulling out wild photos of y'all together. You like, Nah, I don't even remember that.

[Rory]

And even, like. Like him saying, because he told the cops when he. Unfortunately, he had his child with him one time when he was being shot at, and he told the cops who it was. And then he said, go look at the footage. No one came out the car. Clearly, I was lying to y'all. Yeah, see, your evidence proves that I was lying. So why am I on the stage?

[Mal]

Why am I even here right now? Them up. Them up. Speaking.

[Rory]

I want to see. I want to see Jussie back on the stage.

[Damaris]

Speaking of lying.

[Mal]

No, but he. Jussie is just an idiot.

[Damaris]

No, he's just dying with the lie.

[Mal]

Yeah, but he's just come off. That wasn't even a good lie. See, ysl, Woody got awful.

[Rory]

First of all, I think it was probably the greatest lie of all time.

[Mal]

No, it wasn't. Didn't fool me. Not for one second. Internet killed me because he immediately. I was like, this is. Get out of here. Anybody with common sense knew he was lying.

[Rory]

All right, let me not use the word respect, but can you appreciate that this far down the line, he is on Entertainment Tonight in 2024, still dying on that lie?

[Mal]

I mean, what else I respect?

[Rory]

But can you appreciate that he is continuing to get on camera and look at us like we're all crazy?

[Mal]

I don't know if I. I don't know if appreciate is the word, but I'm looking at it like. I mean, what else you gonna do at this point? You can't. He can never say, yo, I was lying.

[Rory]

Matter of fact, no. He even gave us. He gave us grace. Before you play it. Thank God Jussie gave us grace and said he understands that we were spun. They gave us a narrative, and he really forgives us for not believing him because we were just given this narrative that was spun. So I thank you, Jussie, for giving us that type of grace. But you can hit play from this. I can understand why people feel the way that they do, specifically because of the narrative that was spun and was given to them. I've stood by not my truth, but the truth the entire time for almost six years. I haven't switched my story up. I haven't changed. It'd be a wild story to switch up. I stand by every single thing that I've ever said. Everyone else in this situation, every single person, has changed their story numerous times. So I don't really know what else to say about that. Again, I understand. If I felt some sort of way, if I knew someone or respected them or even didn't care about them and heard the things that were heard about me that were just factually untrue, then I would feel I can't sit here and say, you know, oh, well, that makes absolutely no sense, because it does. Yeah. Thank. Thank you, Justin.

[Mal]

Nobody, nobody gets beat up and have a noose put around their neck and is able to walk home and walk home with the noose still around that neck.

[Rory]

And bleach.

[Mal]

Nobody orders a meatball sub. Nobody orders a meatball sub. Meatball sub get beat up with bleach, and then the meatball sub makes it home.

[Rory]

I'm just curious, who changed their story? He said, everyone's changed their story.

[Damaris]

Sub boy.

[Mal]

Yeah. Oh, you mean change the story to the truth of what happened versus what you said? Okay.

[Rory]

The cops have been pretty consistent in the evidence that they found, right? Your two mans in them that are on camera buying, they rolled on you.

[Mal]

They rolled on you, gave it all up.

[Rory]

And first of all, their story never changed. They went to the cops, was like, yeah, this is what happened.

[Mal]

So, yes, Jussie, people's story is not the same as your story. You're still on the side of the lie, which is like, okay, maybe if you want to look at that as honorable, he's not moving off of his lie, his story. But, Jussie, I think we all know, anybody with a brain can tell that what you said was a lie. But if you want to keep, you know, you dying on that hill, die on it.

[Rory]

Where I guess I can use my appreciation here is that once he did the rehab thing, I assumed that was going to be the pivot. Mental health addiction.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I was in a really dark place. I didn't know what to do. I was. This was. I was crying out for help. Why didn't anyone help me? I was crying out for help.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I'm sorry for lying. He came out of rehab dead sober. And was like, nah, they poured bleach on my face in a noose.

[Mal]

Yeah, but the meatball sub, two MAGA.

[Rory]

White guys were running around Chicago with a noose and bleach and then also knew the show Empire.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah, he came out of rehab and doubled down on that.

[Mal]

But the meatball sub made it home. Nah, just speak.

[Damaris]

Speaking of dying with the lies, Jay Z and Beyonce's attorney basically intervened after the Jaguar Rights appearance on Piers Morgan.

[Mal]

They didn't intervene. They told P.S. morgan and them to play with somebody safe.

[Damaris]

And they. Yeah, they basically said, delete. Like, remove that interview. Delete the archive that footage. Remove the false accusations, or a court is going to order you. So they're threatening a cnd.

[Mal]

Well, I mean, I don't know if we spoke about it, but I think people I spoke to away from the show, I told him, I was like, bro, pretty sure that lawyers are preparing something to send over to Piers Morgan.

[Rory]

We said while we recorded that episode, I said, while we record this, I guarantee you that lawyer is calling Piers Morgan immediately.

[Mal]

Yeah, I think that's the end of Jaguar Rights run on the Internet as far as, you know, making up stories and saying, wow. I think that no platform, no big platform is going to have her, and she might still be able to do a couple YouTube shows and things like that, but no big platform will have on after that.

[Rory]

She recently said that Jay Z had a big L killed so he could steal Big L's rhymes for reasonable doubt.

[Mal]

What. What platform did she say that on? I'm.

[Rory]

I'm not even gonna plug it.

[Mal]

Oh, okay.

[Rory]

Yeah, but no, it checks out. Even the dates match up.

[Mal]

Yeah, naturally. Yeah.

[Rory]

So, you know, Reese, what's out came out in 1996.

[Mal]

Listen, man, I. I don't know, man.

[Rory]

Big l died in 99, 98.

[Mal]

I just think that, you know, again, mental, mental, mental, mental health we need to pay attention to.

[Rory]

Yeah. And I know we've laughed about Jaguar. Right. But, you know, she lost her son to murder. Like, I get where some of this really she may be coming from, so I really do hope she gets the help that she needs. And I mean that respectfully, because I know that's got to be super traumatic to lose your son in that way, so.

[Mal]

Yeah, I. I understand. And. And condolences to the family on that. I lost a brother to street violence, so. But I'm also not fair spewing and.

[Rory]

Oh, and I smoke Jaguar. Right. The last two episodes. I'm not condoning any of that.

[Mal]

Yeah, like, nasty and Disgusting.

[Rory]

And it's not an excuse.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

I just hope she gets the help that she needs, cuz just throwing this type of. On people's jacket.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And it could be as a result of the things she went through, but. Nah, just get some help.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's.

[Rory]

That's really it.

[Peach]

She said. She said Beyonce and them created Chloe Bailey to be like the next her.

[Mal]

Like, no, you ain't see that. You ain't. You a. You don't hear the tone.

[Peach]

But no, the crazy shit is she wore a picture with herself on it. And a lot of people thought that there was Chloe Bailey on it, a picture of Jaguar when she was younger. And I saw like the resemblance, but she was like, yeah, you see how like the two are combining, trying to create a replica. Replica of us.

[Mal]

I was like, damn, they're trying to create two Jaguars. Yeah. I ain't even look at it like that.

[Rory]

Listen, man, her son interned at ROC Nation and they approached him and asked to sacrifice her.

[Peach]

Speaking of Jaguar, if you haven't heard the Deluxe to Victoria Monet, go listen now. Like just put on repeat. How did you get to Jaguar?

[Rory]

Jaguar, right. Go listen to the Deluxe of Victoria Monet.

[Peach]

Jaguar.

[Rory]

It is great. I love the Deluxe. I actually kind of wish I get the Deluxe thing now obviously to bring more streams to the original project and keep it moving. I think that could have been its own ep like that. Deluxe is fired.

[Mal]

I'm happy for Victoria Monet, man. Like she. She's really like in that. In that tier. On that tier now of like one of the top R B artists. Like she's. She's dope. She's been dope for years. We've been. But we supported Victoria for years though. So it's. I'm happy to see her finally get her. Her recognition.

[Damaris]

Deluxe is 10 more records.

[Peach]

Yeah, yeah.

[Damaris]

That's a whole nother problem.

[Rory]

Its own.

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah.

[Peach]

Victoria needs. It needs to be Victoria. Just open her mouth. Somebody go handle her Grammy right now. Like, I want her to be like.

[Rory]

That and perform at the Grammy.

[Mal]

When is she going on tour? Has she had a tour yet? I got to see her live. We saw her when she was at Maid. That was like a. I want to see like her full out production.

[Rory]

We saw her with the Illuminati.

[Mal]

Yeah, we were sitting right there with him.

[Rory]

There was a bunch of kids too.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Did you guys see the. The theme for the 2025?

[Rory]

Even peach just shook his head at me.

[Damaris]

The theme for the 2025 Met Gala was released earlier this week, I think it was yesterday, and it's super fine. Tailoring black style with the co chairs being Cole Domingo, Lewis Hamilton, ASAP. Rocky Pharrell and Anna Wintour and LeBron.

[Mal]

I think this is dope. Hopefully the. The men stick to the. The theme this year. The men always seem to kind of veer off a little bit, but they got. I like the people that they have as the chairs.

[Rory]

Can I bring some hate in here?

[Mal]

Coleman Domingo is. He's always dressed nice. Lewis Hamilton.

[Rory]

Amazing. All those.

[Mal]

Asap.

[Rory]

It feels like there's one name that just doesn't really make sense in this sentence. Everyone else that's named is a fashion icon.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

It's like her event, though.

[Mal]

You're not fucking with me?

[Peach]

No, we're not talking. That's not who.

[Damaris]

Oh, we're talking about Braun.

[Rory]

No, I was talking about Ann.

[Damaris]

Oh, well, half the room thought you were talking about Braun. The other half thought it was Anna Wintor.

[Rory]

Oh, no, I'm talking about LeBron.

[Damaris]

Oh, you are talking about LeBron. Okay.

[Rory]

Laughing @ mall's joke when he said Anna Winter.

[Mal]

Well, I mean, you know, this is. He's a black man. Let's start there.

[Rory]

It's gonna sound like, hey, if I talk.

[Mal]

This is based on. This is based on the style of black men throughout history.

[Damaris]

He did invent the A R, so he probably knows something about.

[Mal]

So the only. The only name up there that's kind of like, huh, is Anna Wintoku. Because she's.

[Damaris]

No, you can't take that away from her. I get that, but that's not applicable here.

[Mal]

No, I mean, it's. It's her event.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Yeah, we get that. But I'm just saying those names right there.

[Rory]

Gala Wintour.

[Mal]

Yeah, those names right there. She might be the one that's, like, for black men style. Okay. But no, this is. This is gonna be fun to watch. I got a feeling like, you know, this is. This is for the men to finally, like, you know, put on. On the right and stick to the theme. Like, I think they geared that towards. Okay, fellas, there's just no way I could this up this year, all right?

[Rory]

I'm gonna bring in more hate, especially as someone that can't dress. So it's definitely hate. LeBron is gonna. I cannot wait to watch this. NBA players are some of the worst dressed people on earth. I can't wait to see all of them on that carpet.

[Mal]

LeBron does a pretty decent job.

[Rory]

No, Braun might be one of. Actually probably one of the better dressed NBA Players. Yeah, they are going to look nuts.

[Mal]

Nuts, I mean, but I mean, if you keep it just. See, my thing is always just name.

[Rory]

An NBA player that's been keeping it simple lately, I must say.

[Mal]

Just keep it simple.

[Rory]

They're not going to all.

[Mal]

You gotta just put on a nice suit, you know, a couple of accessories, things like that to make it pop a little bit. You ain't gotta go too crazy when it comes to black men in our style throughout history. Like, put on a good suit, maybe a good hat, you know, things like that. You ain't gotta go. Don't give us, you know, dragon and feathers and we don't.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Russell Westbrook and James Harden are the two names that came to my mind where. What to what Rory's saying in terms of basketball players that might go.

[Rory]

Russ goes nuts. But at least, like, that has always been his thing. I can appreciate his style for what it is. He's always stuck to that. These other NBA players be wearing whatever.

[Mal]

Yeah, you've got male.

[Rory]

All right, let's get the voicemails. What do we have? Julian, Anything good today?

[Damaris]

Yeah, let's try to lighten the mood.

[Rory]

I think the mood is fine.

[Damaris]

Okay, let's. Yeah, this is a fun one.

[Caller 1]

Yo, what's good, guys? Long time fan since episode, like, I think 90 of the last pod.

[Damaris]

He's rolling during it, which is extremely annoying to me. So just all that background noise is him rolling. We just have a quick question.

[Caller 1]

So I have a pretty lengthy criminal record. Last charges I got were from, like, 2017. I've had to duck and dodge my way through background checks while I'm waiting for a pardon. And I just got a new job. They hired me, everything was good. And then on my first day, they hit me with the background check. Do you guys think it's better if I kind of play dumb and just fill out the application as if there's nothing on my record? Or do you think it's best if I talk to my manager directly? Bit of context. It's a really small company, 15 people. I don't think there's a proper HR department. I think every. Everything of that sort would just kind of go to him. So do you guys think I would have a better chance if I just kind of explained to him, like, all this is from, like, seven years ago, I'm different now? Or do you think I should just play dumb and see what happens? Let me know. Thanks.

[Rory]

Well, he. He left out a huge part.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

What are the tricks?

[Rory]

What the did you do?

[Damaris]

Yeah, what did you do?

[Rory]

That's gonna change the explanation.

[Mal]

Yeah, but if. Let's say we. We just have the information we have, we don't know what he did. I think that it's probably still always best if it's a small company. Yeah, he sounds like he has a rapport with the guy he works for. Just have a real honest conversation with him. Like, listen, man, like, I thought about not being honest, but, you know, I didn't want to do that and be worried about. Every day I come in here. Did you find out yet? Did it, you know, come back to you? Because at that point, you're not even comfortable in your workplace. Like, you feel like any day he's gonna, you know, find out about your history and your criminal past and probably end up finding you, because one, you didn't tell him, or whatever you did is just. They don't want that type of person like you did. What? Nah, you can't work here. So, I mean, if it's not nothing too crazy, I say tell him, talk to him about it, have that honest conversation, even if it's something absolutely crazy. I mean, he's gonna find out eventually anyway. So just for that peace of mind and that comfort, just. Just have a real talk with him, man. Sit down and just kick it with him. Like, listen, man, you know, that's. I know that's my history, but I'm a different person. I don't know how long ago these charges were or whatever, how many years ago this happened, but. But just have honest conversation and hopefully.

[Rory]

Don'T piss test while he's rolling up.

[Damaris]

Well, the company still do that.

[Mal]

Certain, Certain. Certain job still drug test you.

[Peach]

Like, if it's federal. So if. If you have a federal job, then yeah, but if you work in a legal stage, that.

[Damaris]

Or like, I would imagine federal or like something where you're operating heavy machinery.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Like, if you work for the MTA factory, they. They drug test. Thirsty.

[Damaris]

I came across unrelated. No. Oh, kind of related. I came across an account on Instagram, and it's like. I feel like an account mall would follow. That's why I keep seeing it. It's. You know, a lot of. It's like people. Terrible accidents. It's just people dying. And I spent the last.

[Mal]

I follow that account.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Because every time I hear. Overhear your phone, it's like someone getting shot or like someone dying.

[Mal]

People sending me, like, you know, but like, the.

[Damaris]

It's. It's just. It's in my algorithm now. And I found this one account that I'VE been going down doom scrolling the last two nights as I go to sleep, which is. Is awful. Which is probably why I've been sleeping. I've watched probably 300 people die the last two nights before going to bed. Most of the videos though are from factories. People getting stuck in machines, a hydraulic squishing someone.

[Mal]

I saw a nice one where it turned. It turned somebody into a scarf.

[Damaris]

You've definitely seen them. You've definitely seen them.

[Mal]

This machine whipped all the guts out of this. It was just like whatever he was wearing was spinning on the one guy.

[Damaris]

Got pressed similarly hydraulic. Like he was like taking something out and went into the pit and the hydraulic came down like behind him and pushed him in. And like the. This half like a breasts up were still sticking out and you could just see his like insides pouring out of his armpits.

[Mal]

Yeah. Nice.

[Damaris]

Yeah, it's pretty sick. And then I went.

[Rory]

The sick is that it's gotten to us. Like, who was the guy that was looking at the security cameras and was like, oh, I'm definitely. Yeah.

[Damaris]

It's got to go on Twitter, this.

[Mal]

Sending this to X.

[Damaris]

This has to go on Twitter.

[Mal]

Sending this to X.

[Rory]

Like that's. That's who I think HR really needs to look into. Like the guy that is taking those tapes and then putting them on the Internet for all of us to see is insane to me.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

What type of security guard saw that.

[Mal]

And went, now that one thing when a person got caught in that thing, that was crazy. I didn't even know the body could do that.

[Damaris]

Is it up that I want to see that?

[Mal]

No, I mean, you want to see.

[Rory]

It until you see it.

[Mal]

No, no. But you know what? It's not as seeing it as like holy, but it's not as. It wasn't gory though. It happened so fast to where I don't even think the person bled. It was just like it just turned into a. He was just wrapped around.

[Damaris]

That's the thing. Like those machines have no give. They're so powerful and they're just. You're just gone.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's it.

[Damaris]

And it happens so fast. Tomorrow's point, there will be other people nearby operating on the. The person. They don't even yelp, scream, nothing. It happens so quick. There's not even a noise. They're just gone.

[Mal]

Yeah. One lady put her arm through a machine one time. She was trying to fix something and it went down her arm and pressed her arm. She pulled that out. That looked like a. A ankle sock. That's up But I was just like, damn. She was. All she was holding was her hand. Everything else was just like, down here.

[Damaris]

I was like, damn, I'm trying to find this.

[Mal]

And she didn't. You can tell it don't even hurt because it's almost like you. Such a shock. Your body part looks like that. You're like, what the fuck?

[Rory]

Speaking of brutality, have you guys caught up with the Aaron Hernandez show yet?

[Peach]

No.

[Rory]

Not the funniest show you've ever seen.

[Mal]

Oh, Aaron Hernandez. I watched one episode, yo, the Menendez one. I finished though.

[Rory]

They, the guy, they, they have his Gronk is the funniest.

[Damaris]

I saw the locker room scene. I saw that, that, that. That's going around Twitter and it's.

[Rory]

It's tough. Like, I have to give the actors that are doing Bill Belichick and Gronk like, a little bit of grace. You saw many saints in Newark, right? The guy that's playing young Silvio, people were on like, yo, he's doing like an over exaggerated version of this person. It's bad. How is there another way that you could play that person?

[Mal]

Right?

[Rory]

Like, play this clip. Is there another way you can play blanc?

[Mal]

Nice. Hey, you mean kosher? Nah, not yet. Tattoo is scary, bro. Come on, guys, let's go.

[Damaris]

That's a good laugh impression.

[Mal]

Holy. That's the baby, bro. No. Let's go, baby.

[Rory]

But is there another way you could play Grunk?

[Mal]

You got to kind of just.

[Rory]

It's awful acting, but Gronk is just his own. Gronk is personality.

[Mal]

Yeah. Gronk can't play nobody else but Gronk. Anything they put him in, he has to be himself.

[Rory]

I still want to know if. If him smashing that Lego of Steve Harvey was scripted or not. Because to me, that's still to say it's one of my favorite clips on the Internet is saying a lot because there's so many clips.

[Damaris]

That was for New Year's staged. That was a New Year's countdown, right?

[Rory]

I almost feel like it wasn't. Yeah, it was.

[Damaris]

This is so funny.

[Rory]

Which is the craziest pairing for hosting to begin with, but hilarious at the same time. Time somebody went out their way to make a Steve Harvey Lego.

[Mal]

Are you serious? I don't want to work with him no more. Why? Why is he here?

[Damaris]

It's the outfit too.

[Mal]

What is wrong?

[Damaris]

The helmet.

[Rory]

What is wrong with you?

[Mal]

Mentally imbalanced. This nut right here.

[Peach]

You know, look at him dancing.

[Mal]

How hard it is to get them brown Legos. Oh, man.

[Rory]

I mean, you know how hard it.

[Peach]

Is to get them brown Legos.

[Mal]

It's hilarious.

[Rory]

He. He was setting the tone for the year. It was all downhill after that.

[Mal]

Oh, that was 2020 after that.

[Rory]

Bron. He may have been on to something.

[Mal]

He was giving us the signs, man.

[Damaris]

That's all.

[Rory]

Again, please, everyone, watch that Aaron Hernandez. So we could talk about it next week.

[Mal]

We got another voicemail, though.

[Damaris]

Yeah, let's do it.

[Caller 2]

Yo, what's good? So this is probably gonna be all over the place, and. But basically what it boils down to is I haven't had, like, I've. I've had, like, girls that I've with, you know, in the past couple years and. But no, nobody that I've, like, seriously considered. You know what I mean? Like, it's a mutual thing where I really with them and they really with me. Fast forward to now, though. I got two kind of three. Three different girls that it's that situation. You know what I mean? I really with them. They really with me. But it's been so long since I really been, like, out there like that. So my question is, is, like, how do I entertain all of them without being labeled like a boy? You know what I mean? Like, so am I allowed to be all of them?

[Damaris]

Like, say, anyway. Yeah. Before we.

[Rory]

How do I lie about what I'm actually doing to be perceived as if I'm not doing anything?

[Mal]

It. Yeah.

[Rory]

Okay, so, boy.

[Damaris]

Well, let's hear him out, because maybe he comes to. Maybe there's a reason.

[Caller 2]

Of course. Or should I not be any of them? Is it okay that I'm talking to all of them? Like, am. Should I be going out on dates with them? Like, and I guess, too, what even classifies as, like, talking to somebody? You know what I mean? So I don't know. It's just been so long since I've been, like, seriously in the dating game with, like, you know, interest on both. Both sides. You know what I mean? So I'm kind of a little bit lost right now, so. And I'm sure, you know, varies person to person or whatever, but if y'all could clear it up just a little bit, be hella appreciative.

[Rory]

Do we believe Mr. Is over here?

[Damaris]

I mean, why would he call in and lie that he's dating three women?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

What's the point of that?

[Mal]

Nobody would do that.

[Rory]

This sound like Cap to me, but.

[Mal]

Guy, you don't know, like, why would you call me with his game? You just sound like you hating right now.

[Rory]

That's a fact.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Mr. 100.

[Mal]

Yeah. So let me. Because he got three and you ain't got none. You hating.

[Peach]

Damn.

[Mal]

Damn. Come on, man.

[Rory]

Yeah. Welcome to Hate.

[Mal]

Stop. Don't. Don't hate on him. No, but, yeah, you just a boy, man. I think just wear it. Just wear the title. Just run into it. Lean into is what it is.

[Damaris]

But you can do this in a way where you don't have to be an asshole to them. You can, like, respect. Respect the three women and want to get to know them equally, but not like, treat them like, you know.

[Mal]

Well, there's never no pieces of meat. Yeah. No, I mean, there's never no reason to treat women like, you know, just meat.

[Damaris]

But I'm just. I'm just trying to dispel, like, what the term boy means is like, you're a lot of women, but you're dogging them and treat them like.

[Peach]

That's not what means of what.

[Damaris]

What's.

[Peach]

What's your boy is when you're pretending that you want something more than what you actually do. It's like when you portray to be something else. Like you're leading me on. Like you want a serious relationship, but in reality you're. You're.

[Mal]

You.

[Peach]

You basically lying to it. That's being a boy.

[Rory]

Deceiving all three women. What would make you from a boy to two, Mr. Is if they all know about each other. That's when you really ill. Once they all know what time it is.

[Mal]

Oh, you got to be in a certain tax bracket to get that off.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Who said that to my. In the club and I know they know about each other title also. Yeah.

[Mal]

Different tax bracket. Gillerson, when you in that tax.

[Rory]

I've gotten that off when I've been broke.

[Mal]

Oh, but you was dealing with dummies, though. That's a difference. Yeah. Facts. Yeah. Either you're dealing with a dummy me. Or in a different tax bracket.

[Rory]

That dumb be.

[Mal]

Yeah. No, that dumb is dumb good. That dumb is dumb good.

[Rory]

No, I mean, if. If you're having unprotected sex with all these women, you should probably say something.

[Damaris]

Only if it's unprotected.

[Peach]

No. Even if it's protected.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah, definitely. Either way.

[Rory]

But you also don't know what they doing, Julian.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Who's to say they're one guy.

[Mal]

Yeah, they. They're never one. One guy.

[Rory]

Exactly. So I don't know. Boy. Yeah. The game is. The game is why STDs are running rampant.

[Mal]

It's the gift.

[Peach]

Listen, you don't have to. You don't have to lie to women. If you. If a woman likes you enough, she'll lie to herself. So just make sure you're being honest with everybody and you'll be fine.

[Mal]

Man, if you listen if you heard that. Don't do that. If you heard that, be honest with everybody. Hell no.

[Rory]

Well, in. In this scenario, if they're not being. Being fully honest, if they come to you and like, yo, I'm only talking to you. Where is this going? Then be honest with them. But who's to say that these three women aren't lying to him about what they're doing?

[Mal]

They're always lying.

[Damaris]

That's true.

[Peach]

Well, just because somebody else is lying doesn't mean that you need to lie.

[Rory]

But.

[Mal]

Yeah, but I'm not gonna be late to the lie party.

[Damaris]

I'm just here to lie down.

[Rory]

Yeah, I love the way you lie.

[Mal]

Yeah. Lie down so I can lie next to you and we can tell each other beautiful lies.

[Peach]

Yeah, but this is my pussy. I like when we lie to you. But see, I like those kind of.

[Rory]

Lies while I pull out.

[Peach]

When we. We're lying though, she like, come inside.

[Rory]

Come inside of me. I'm not going to, but it's nice to hear it.

[Damaris]

Thank you for telling me that.

[Rory]

I will not love that you said it.

[Damaris]

That's never going to happen.

[Mal]

Oh, you nasty. I'm not stupid though.

[Peach]

Y'all ain't real lovers.

[Mal]

I'm real. I'm a real lover. But one thing, cuz you got to.

[Peach]

Die with the lie. You gotta be Jesse sp N. No, you don't.

[Rory]

You.

[Peach]

You say. This yours? Nothing. It then nothing. Nothing. It's yours, right?

[Rory]

Nothing. Tell her to take that meatball.

[Mal]

Nah, I'm cool. I'm not. Nothing in nothing. No, I'm cool. Cool. I'm g. Pull out and jerk off in your curtain before I come inside.

[Damaris]

Swag.

[Peach]

Straight up.

[Mal]

Straight up. N. Why am I.

[Peach]

Why am I.

[Rory]

Have you accidentally curtain before?

[Mal]

Huh?

[Rory]

Have you accidentally nutted on a curtain before?

[Mal]

Accidentally nutted on the curtain you were.

[Rory]

Pulling out and like, it just. It's definitely happened to me probably more than once.

[Damaris]

I definitely have.

[Mal]

Not on the curtain, but by the sofa, by the window. I did.

[Damaris]

What's the weirdest thing you nutted on?

[Mal]

The weirdest thing? I met it on this girl from Brooklyn. She was weird.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's always a chick object.

[Damaris]

Well, that doesn't change your crown.

[Mal]

Girl from Brooklyn.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

The weirdest thing. I don't know. I don't know about the weirdest thing. I would know. I'M trying to be known anything other than her or in the condo while we've curtains.

[Rory]

There's. There's definitely been multiple times that I've been hitting from the back and pulled out and thought I just came on her ass and her back and didn't see that I nutted like in her hair until like 30 minutes later after cleaned it up everything. And then like we chilling and I'm like, yo, you have nut all in your hair right now.

[Mal]

Wow.

[Rory]

You know, like sometimes that's never happened to y'all.

[Damaris]

Yeah, definitely.

[Mal]

She knew I didn't like see it. I was.

[Rory]

But sometimes it's dark and like a thousand percent.

[Mal]

Oh, you be in dark.

[Rory]

Sometimes he bright enough.

[Mal]

I need a little bit of light. I need. I gotta see that I'm the only.

[Rory]

Thing that can glow in the room.

[Mal]

It can't be pitch. You pitch dark.

[Rory]

I have before.

[Mal]

That's crazy. I need a little.

[Rory]

I don't. I don't prefer that.

[Damaris]

Like.

[Mal]

Yeah, I need something. I gotta see her. Like, I gotta see you. Like, you know, I mean, just a little. It gotta be the lightsing and it would like maybe like a.

[Rory]

Sometimes TV roll over love. Like it's middle of the night and she put your ass a little closer to you.

[Peach]

Yeah. Getting head in the dark kind of like amplifies the feeling. It's like being blind. Like all your other senses are stronger.

[Rory]

I mean, I know no one wants to hear about my kinky, but I love. Love a blindfold. It heightens. I. I understand that Helen Keller book. All your senses get heightened when you can't see. I understand the. Well, everything.

[Mal]

I'm just a visual. I like to. I like to see her get nashed.

[Damaris]

I'm a visual guy too.

[Rory]

I'm mix it up sometimes and. And take away.

[Damaris]

Oh, I've had some spooky head. Yeah. I've not seen it sometimes.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

But preferentially I'd like to see.

[Mal]

Open your eyes and see a down there.

[Damaris]

Why would that ever happen?

[Rory]

How did he get there?

[Damaris]

How would he be there?

[Peach]

Who let him in?

[Mal]

Question. Questions that need answer.

[Peach]

So wait, there's no audio people here. Everybody is visual people. There's no audio people here.

[Rory]

I'm not.

[Damaris]

Don't. I'm not trying to deprive any.

[Peach]

I'm audio over visual.

[Mal]

What you mean like you rather hear him say something?

[Peach]

Yeah. Hearing is more important than seeing.

[Mal]

Oh, you. I gotta see. I gotta see that. I gotta see the woman I gotta. I just love.

[Peach]

Well, that's probably because women Are something to look at.

[Damaris]

Damaris likes affirmations. That's what that's called.

[Mal]

The Maris. Like a nigga like, you are beautiful. Beautiful. You are strong.

[Rory]

You. I mean, you gotta talk her through the nut.

[Mal]

Oh, for sure. Culture through it. That my. Michelle, fix them greens. You're gonna go fix them greens when we finish.

[Rory]

Look at the. That just comes and goes. Like, no one's even talked about that.

[Mal]

Because that was Mary Shannon was. Boy, he. He. He promoing that. That pill came and went. Yeah, I knew that's what it was. When he talked about it that day and he pulled those pills out, I knew that that was just a promo for that. That was his skit.

[Damaris]

Wait, before we close it with this guy, what should he do? What's the deal?

[Peach]

Be honest.

[Rory]

Be honest.

[Damaris]

Should he ride this wave and then.

[Mal]

No, be honest, man. You can find somebody going. Somebody gonna be down with it. Might lose one or two of them, but somebody will stay.

[Rory]

You'd be very surprised at what women are okay with. With, like, men really don't need to lie.

[Peach]

You don't. Women.

[Rory]

Women be with the. The shits. If you're honest. Like, all right, cool. Thank you for being honest. I'm still going to keep you.

[Peach]

You don't have to lie to women, because if a woman likes you enough, she will lie to herself. I'm telling you.

[Mal]

No, but I'm g. Just help you, though. I'mma just help you with some lies.

[Rory]

Like I said, talk her through the nut.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah, you got a lie. Speaking of senses, have y'all ever got head outside in the winter? That's just. That's up there with a blindfold. Whole different type of sense. Oh, that's like brick outside you Brick.

[Mal]

Zach Frost.

[Peach]

Brick outside you Brick.

[Rory]

It's.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Peach]

I feel like my teeth would get cold.

[Damaris]

Why is the sensation that's coming to mind is like. Like. Like chewing a piece of gum after you drink a glass of oj or like, brushing your teeth. Teeth and then drinking orange juice. That's the sensation I'm getting.

[Peach]

But on your dick.

[Damaris]

Cuz, like, I'm picturing. Okay, see this out visually, You're. You're getting head. No, believe it.

[Mal]

You're.

[Damaris]

You're getting head. And like, if. Say she's using a lot of spit and all that, and then it's like when her mouth's not on your dick and you're not getting the warmth of a mouth, you're getting a rush of cold air.

[Rory]

Spit. Have you ever been freezing and then got into that Hot, steamy shower and it just. All your senses heightened. That's what. That's what it's like. Just.

[Mal]

I just want to know how. How cold is it and why you can't just go inside.

[Peach]

I was wondering too.

[Damaris]

Well, he likes it. That's the sensation.

[Peach]

Like, were you in the car and y didn't have the heat on? Like, where the were you at first of all?

[Damaris]

Yeah. How cold is.

[Mal]

If it's. If it's anything below 30 degrees, I'm going in the house. Like, what you doing?

[Rory]

Talked in this pod of I used to in the park because I couldn't go to like, couldn't bring a girl on to the house.

[Mal]

And 30, living with my mom.

[Peach]

I think he was thinking like 50.

[Mal]

Degrees staircase somewhere in a building.

[Rory]

Nah, park right there.

[Mal]

That's sick.

[Damaris]

You flirting with the sex offender list with that move.

[Peach]

He was a kid, though.

[Rory]

Yeah, we were the same age.

[Peach]

No, but you can't have sex.

[Damaris]

Were you over 18?

[Rory]

No, when I was in the park, I was under 18.

[Damaris]

Still, you get.

[Mal]

You get half of the D D. You don't get the dining. You don't get to.

[Rory]

Yo, being a pedophile when you're 16. A 16 year old is crazy.

[Mal]

If you around a place, well, you.

[Peach]

Wouldn'T be a pedophile. You would be.

[Damaris]

Still be on the list.

[Peach]

You would be. You would be a sex.

[Mal]

Yeah, you gotta let people know when you move in the building and they put your face in the lobby. He lives on the fifth floor. He's a pizza.

[Rory]

All I did was take a piss in the park.

[Mal]

Y'all not. Do y'all remember when they used to catch you still in the supermarkets and they put y'all pictures in the front?

[Peach]

They still do that.

[Mal]

They still do that.

[Damaris]

Do that a lot.

[Peach]

Hot hair stores too. The hair store do dirty.

[Mal]

Oh, I gotta go. I gotta start go. I'm gonna go start taking pictures of them shits. We gotta start a new segment, yo. Oh, I'm taking pictures of those.

[Rory]

I saw a meme of like, a store had posted a photo of a guy taking one of those photos down and said he stole the photo of.

[Damaris]

Of himself.

[Rory]

They put a photo of him because he stole. And then they took like a screenshot of the video of him taking down his own photo. He stole his own photo.

[Mal]

I remember the first time I went to the supermarket by my. My crib. I grew up on my block and my cousin was on that. I'm like, why you came over here to steal?

[Damaris]

Like, you don't Steal at your local bodega.

[Mal]

Yeah, but don't come to my block, because then what if you walk into my building after that? Like, yeah, you done got four steaks in your jacket, and now you coming to my crib, like, go home.

[Rory]

Should have went to the park to.

[Mal]

That's what he had. He had four steaks. They made that hold four steaks. And he was. I was like, that's my cousin, man.

[Peach]

Do y'all have any klepto? Like, homies that, like, have the money, but they're still klepto? Like, I have a homegirl. I'm not gonna say your name, because y'all know her very well. Off the bitch. Every time we go to the grocery store, she still. She can't help it.

[Mal]

I mean, it depends on what you're stealing. Cardi B. I'm not paying for no grapes. I ain't paying for grapes since 9. 8. Let me just be real.

[Damaris]

That's boss line. Grapes.

[Rory]

You still. You steal grapes to this day, yeah.

[Mal]

Hell, yeah. That's the first time I grab when I go shopping.

[Peach]

Peppers. Green peppers, I don't pay for when.

[Mal]

I go shopping, because usually the produce aisles, when you first walk in, I get the grapes, put the grapes right in the top, right there. And as I'm shopping, I just eat.

[Rory]

The grapes, and you finish the whole.

[Mal]

Well, but I don't finish. I just put on a random shelf before I walk out.

[Damaris]

Oh, you. It's your. It's your snack around the store. I feel that. Yeah.

[Rory]

I mean, sometimes you grab a protein.

[Mal]

I'm spending $250 in here. Let me eat some grapes.

[Rory]

I can't judge because I conveniently forget about everything I put at the bottom of the table.

[Peach]

Oh, yeah, my Lacroix.

[Rory]

I have no idea what's under there. And then I get to the parking lot, I'm like, damn. Damn.

[Mal]

Like, damn. Now I gotta.

[Rory]

I would go back, but, you know, I'm already here. I'll get him on the next one.

[Mal]

I got you. It works.

[Peach]

Nah, I hate when I'm at self checkout and it's the, like, ma'am, underneath your car. Blow dick. Like, why are you in my business?

[Mal]

Self checkout is the easiest to steal.

[Peach]

That not. But some of the Whole Foods dudes, they stand there, like, in front of, like, looking.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's when you got to look at him and be like, what's up? I see you too. Like, watch me. I'm stealing. Yes. Some of this I'm paying for some of some. But the small. This body sponge. I don't feel like I should have to pay for this. Why am I paying for a body sponge?

[Rory]

Bring up. Good point.

[Mal]

Wearing that, I'm use it for two weeks and throw it out. Like, why am I. Why am I paying for this?

[Rory]

I mean, Scrub Daddy's worth, what, a billion dollars now?

[Mal]

Yeah. Come on.

[Rory]

Someone got it. Someone's paying for it.

[Mal]

Yeah, they got it. I'm not.

[Peach]

Y'all have scrub daddies?

[Mal]

Yeah. Okay, good.

[Peach]

Making sure.

[Mal]

Yeah. Scrub Daddy is the. That's like the.

[Rory]

I have the whole line.

[Mal]

That's Grab Mom.

[Peach]

You got Scrub Mommy, too.

[Rory]

And whatever that little paste is for your pots and pans that Scrub Daddy has.

[Mal]

So. Yeah.

[Rory]

How Mark Cuban passed on that, I do not know.

[Damaris]

Yeah, Crazy big miss. He's doing all right, though.

[Mal]

Cuban crib is probably dirty. That's all.

[Rory]

I'm gonna go ahead and say. It's probably not.

[Mal]

It's probably clean. It's probably spotless in there. Mark, he got the money to pay for somebody to the Dish daddy. Yeah. It's everything.

[Rory]

Are you gonna vote for mark Cuban in 2028, 2029, when I'm running president?

[Mal]

No.

[Rory]

Oh, okay.

[Mal]

Why would I?

[Rory]

Bring up some good points. This would be him and Elon.

[Mal]

I'm voting for Elon.

[Damaris]

Elon couldn't run.

[Mal]

Why?

[Damaris]

Why not? South African. He's not born here.

[Rory]

Obama was born in Hawaii.

[Damaris]

True. That's right, bro. That's not even America.

[Mal]

Yeah, not even close. Tickets available now. New rory in mall.com. we will be in Toronto October 17th. Tickets available now. Then we will be in Atlanta November 22nd. Second. Then back home, New York City, to end out the year December 14th. Tickets available now at newroarienmall.com Hope to see y'all there. Can't wait to see y'all there. Have some fun to close out the year.

[Rory]

Can't wait.

[Mal]

All right, man, let's get out of here. Let's have a safe and fun weekend, everybody. Be safe, be blessed, have a good time. Fall is here. Perfect weather. I'm that nigga. He's just a pumpkin. Peace.

[Rory]

Facts.

[Mal]

New warrior now.