Episode 315 | Tyler 'CHROMAKOPIA' vs Tyler 'Love Is Blind' (feat. Clay)

Summary

Summary of New Rory & MAL Podcast Episode 315 | Tyler 'CHROMAKOPIA' vs Tyler 'Love Is Blind' (feat. Clay)

Release Date: October 29, 2024

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1. Tribute to DJ Clark Kent (00:00 - 05:35)

The episode opens with a heartfelt tribute to DJ Clark Kent, acknowledging his profound impact on the hip-hop community and expressing deep condolences for his passing.

• Mal (01:16):
  "We start by sending prayers and condolences... DJ Clark Kent, passed away... a big loss for the hip-hop community."

• Rory (02:59):
  "Clark was the biggest mentor... never asked for anything in return."

Rory and Mal share personal memories, emphasizing Clark Kent's generosity and pivotal role in shaping their careers and the broader culture.

2. Upcoming Projects and YouTube Channel Launch (05:35 - 16:23)

Rory announces the launch of their new YouTube channel, "Rory and Mal Clips," designed to provide listeners with highlight reels of the most entertaining moments from their episodes.

• Rory (00:00 - 00:22):
  "We've launched our new YouTube page... Rory and Mal Clips... non-stop postings."

• Mal (05:39):
  "Two vlogs are available now. You're in one of them being fucking annoying."

They also tease upcoming live shows in Atlanta on November 22nd and New York City on December 14th, expressing enthusiasm about engaging directly with their audience.

3. Deep Dive into Tyler, the Creator's 'CHROMAKOPIA' (16:23 - 20:30)

The hosts transition to discussing Tyler, the Creator's latest album, 'CHROMAKOPIA,' sharing their initial impressions and critiques.

• Rory (13:14):
  "I love the Experiment experience at 6am... it's a roller coaster of emotions."

• Mal (15:07):
  "Features are great... Childish Gambino... I think it's unfair."

They commend the album's artistic ambition and diverse features but note that it feels less cohesive compared to Tyler's previous works like 'IGOR' and 'Call Me If You Get Lost.' The conversation highlights the experimental nature of the album and anticipates a more thorough analysis after multiple listens.

4. Analysis of 'Love is Blind' Season 7 (20:30 - 50:00)

Shifting focus, Rory, Mal, and guest Clay delve into 'Love is Blind' Season 7, dissecting its most dramatic moments, relationships, and the dynamics between various couples.

• Rory (69:00):
  "Can I interject before... why do all the 20-year-olds on Love is Blind look like they're 40?"

• Damaris (69:10):
  "The most exhausting couple... Nick and Hannah... 100%."

They critique the authenticity of the relationships, pointing out instances of trauma dumping, lack of genuine connection, and the pressure of forming bonds under unconventional circumstances. Specific couples, such as Nick and Hannah, Tyler and Ashley, and Tim and Alex, are scrutinized for their behaviors and compatibility.

5. Listener Voicemails and Interactive Segment (50:00 - 140:09)

The latter half of the episode is dedicated to listener voicemails, where fans call in with questions ranging from relationships advice to humorous anecdotes. The hosts respond with a mix of humor and genuine advice, maintaining an engaging and entertaining atmosphere.

• Justin from Baltimore (105:11):
  "What do we draw the line when it comes to sharing clothes?"

• Cece from Virginia (121:22):
  "I was pulling into a Walmart parking lot... defining the definition of snitching."

Notable moments include discussions about the appropriateness of sharing personal items like underwear and navigating societal expectations around snitching. The trio also touches on broader topics such as the impact of social media on personal relationships and the nuances of being a good Samaritan versus overstepping boundaries.

6. Closing Remarks and Future Plans (140:09)

In the closing segment, Rory, Mal, and Clay reflect on the episode's discussions and tease future content. They reiterate their upcoming live shows and encourage listeners to engage with their new YouTube channel.

• Mal (140:01):
  "Tickets available now... be in Atlanta November 22nd and New York City at the Gramecy Theater."

They also joke about potential future collaborations and the ever-evolving dynamics within their friendship, ensuring listeners remain tuned for more engaging content.

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Key Takeaways:

• Tribute and Remembrance: A significant portion is dedicated to honoring DJ Clark Kent's legacy, underscoring his influence and the void his passing leaves in the hip-hop community.

• Content Expansion: The launch of "Rory and Mal Clips" aims to cater to listeners with busy schedules, offering bite-sized, entertaining highlights from their full episodes.

• Artistic Critique: Tyler, the Creator's 'CHROMAKOPIA' receives attention for its bold experimentation, though its cohesive narrative is debated among the hosts.

• Reality TV Scrutiny: 'Love is Blind' Season 7 is critically analyzed for its portrayal of relationships, with particular focus on the authenticity and depth of the couples featured.

• Interactive Engagement: Listener voicemails add a personal touch, allowing the hosts to address real-life scenarios with humor and practical advice.

• Future Engagements: Announcements about live shows in Atlanta and New York City signify the hosts' commitment to expanding their reach and fostering a deeper connection with their audience.

Notable Quotes:

• "Clark was the biggest mentor... never asked for anything in return." — Rory (02:59)

• "Features are great... Childish Gambino... I think it's unfair." — Mal (15:07)

• "Why do all the 20-year-olds on Love is Blind look like they're 40?" — Rory (69:00)

• "This is not snitching... it's just minding your business." — Mal (122:46)

• "I'm deadly serious, though. If there's a way I. I would represent Maul as his manager to the show." — Rory (137:48)

This episode of New Rory & MAL seamlessly blends poignant tributes, sharp critiques of contemporary media, and engaging listener interactions, making it a compelling listen for fans and newcomers alike.

Transcript

[Rory]

Hey, everyone. We have launched our new YouTube page, Rory and Mall Clips. If you don't have time to just sit with the entire episode and want to catch up with some of the craziest moments, subscribe to our clips channel. We're going to be posting there non stop. I'm excited, man. I love the clips page.

[Mal]

Yeah, it's like a little snackable. Little snacks. Yeah, sometimes you want girl dinner, sometimes you want salad and fries.

[Rory]

It's just some breadcrumbs to the the big episode. Add new Rory Mall clips right on YouTube. We will also be in Atlanta November 22nd. Can't wait. It's going to be a blast. We love Atlanta. But in the meantime, subscribe to our clips channel on YouTube.

[Mal]

Who shot your mouth like Sinatra Peruvians.

[Clay]

Tried to do me in I ain't.

[Rory]

Paid them yet trying to push 700s.

[Clay]

They ain't made them yet Rolex and.

[Mal]

Bracelets Frostbit rings two niggas riding away Call me igloo sticks.

[Rory]

Where you from?

[Mal]

Brooklyn, Going out for all you don't stop, you won't stop. All right, Rory, we're back.

[Rory]

We are back.

[Mal]

Some things have changed.

[Rory]

A lot of things have changed.

[Mal]

It seems like things change very fast as soon as we cut these cameras off.

[Rory]

Okay, you talking to something specific or just in general? Because things have changed. Things are always changing, just in general, as Khed would say. I've changed a lot.

[Mal]

Yeah, Khed has changed a lot. He's changed a lot. Well, first of all, I think it's only right that we start the show off by sending a prayers and condolences, rest in peace to the family of our beloved brother. Yes, Mentor. One of the heroes of our culture, one of the pillars of our culture, DJ Clark Kent, passed away the other day. And you know, that was somebody who we had a personal relationship with, personal history with. Absolutely. Very close friend, friend of the family. And just one of those guys that I think in our culture that, you know, I don't. I don't think we understand the magnitude of this loss just yet because it's so new and so fresh. But this is a big loss. This is a big loss for the hip hop community, the hip hop world. I don't know anybody that has a story with Clark Kent or about Clark Kent that isn't something positive, that isn't something uplifting, something that gave you the energy and the positivity to move forward and to leave the culture better than you found it. And DJ Clark Kent definitely did that. You can't tell the story of hip hop, the history of hip hop, without mentioning DJ Clark Kent somewhere along the way. So we want to send prayers and condolences to the family. And we love you, Clark. We're going to miss you. But definitely, we'll keep your name alive in this culture forever.

[Rory]

And I think. I think mentor was the biggest, biggest word out of everything that you said. Yeah, he was definitely a mentor to me. Unfortunately, with his passing, watching everyone have very similar stories about Clark. He was always the first person to put his arm around you. Yeah, everyone had that same story. And I. I can say that Peach, you know, with Palooza Clark, it was guru and Clark were the first two people to like, validate us and be the first people from the quote unquote industry to come in and say, yo, I'm gonna make sure whatever y'all need, I got y'all. I see the talent, I see what this is. I see the movement. I'm gonna make sure I can do what ever I can for you. Nothing in return.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Never asked for anything whatsoever. One of the kindest people I've ever met.

[Mal]

Like I.

[Rory]

Someone that you think we scream and debate on this podcast.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I can't even count the amount of times me and Clark Kent have screamed in each other's face just because we love hip hop. Just arguing non stop. My last conversation with him, which had to do with you, was us screaming about Kendrick and Drake.

[Mal]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Rory]

That was the last, you know, comment we had. And I can't say enough about him.

[Mal]

It.

[Rory]

It definitely hit me crazy not. Not to say that I wasn't waiting for this day, you know, because I was privy to a little bit of information before it. Yeah, it was just. It was rough to the point my therapist called me off the clock.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Because I'd already talked about, you know, the situation with her, and this, this. This one was. Was rough for me. Outside of what he's done for hip hop, he is. He's changed the world. There's very few people you can say legitimately. The world was one thing, and then when he showed up, the world changed. And that's Clark Kent.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But his. His friendship to me with that, that's, you know, that's what really, really hit me over the weekend. Yes. It was a rough day.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And it's. It's gonna continue to be one of the most beautiful people I've ever met.

[Mal]

Definitely without a doubt.

[Rory]

And I know a lot of people say that when people pass, he. He is legitimately one of the most genuine human beings that's ever walked this earth. He doesn't ask for from anyone and continues continued his whole career to just put people in places they wouldn't be. So, yeah, again, I'm bad with this stuff, especially when it's. It's people that I really did love dearly. So.

[Mal]

So rest in peace to Rodolfo. Rodolfo Franklin, but known to the world and loved by the world as DJ Clark Kent, God's favorite dj. We will miss you. Love you forever, bro.

[Rory]

How was everyone else's weekend? It was cool.

[Mal]

I dropped a YouTube channel and.

[Rory]

Okay, congrats.

[Mal]

Thank you. Thank you. Two vlogs are available now. You're in one of them being fucking annoying.

[Rory]

Okay. Yeah, that's typically what I do on YouTube. Yeah. Yeah, if you follow this page. Yo, it was tough in that green room. Outside of that is just watching the Yankees tank both nights in a row.

[Damaris]

That was my weekend. Watching the Yankees get clapped up. That game one, they're. They're. They're cooked. Game one deflated the whole thing be.

[Mal]

All right, fine. Have faith.

[Damaris]

I don't.

[Rory]

All right, since that took the mood down, I. I'll. I'll get us back up. Yo, Torre got a weird case. Why is he around? Yo, Torre, if you want to talk about mall.

[Mal]

Oh, then.

[Rory]

Then don't ask your co workers if they like anal. Like, you could talk about Mall if you don't have a creepy past. Shut the fuck up, Torre. I understand your resume. It's cool. And you may have some weird shit because we passed on you being on the show, but don't talk about mall with Vlad when you are asking people that work for you if they like anal. So wait, just stop, man. Just. Just shut the fuck up, Torre.

[Mal]

I'm sorry.

[Rory]

I get it. You have done a lot in journalism, and I respect all of that. I think you're one of the last journalists. But don't speak about my man's when you're asking makeup artists if they like analysis. Shut the up. Wait, why stop on this moral high ground shit? You've done nasty shit, Torre.

[Mal]

I don't know what's happening.

[Rory]

I'm riding for you, man. No matter.

[Mal]

Oh, no, no, no.

[Damaris]

Respect, respect.

[Mal]

No respect.

[Damaris]

Fill you in later.

[Mal]

No, that's peace. That's love. Somebody got to tell me what's, like.

[Rory]

Cool if people want to say anything about mall. Whatever. We could laugh about all that type of shit. Don't speak about mall's name when you ask makeup artists if they like anal. Shut the fuck up.

[Damaris]

Well, what'd she say, but what is Tor.

[Mal]

Not necessary.

[Damaris]

Sorry.

[Mal]

What is Torah?

[Rory]

She said, he's a nasty and I was extremely uncomfortable. And he's supposed to be the morale police that walks around trying to speak up for women. Meanwhile, you're doing nasty as well. Shut the up, Tory. If Maul wants to like Drake, cool. Stop asking women if they like anal.

[Mal]

Wait, that's what.

[Rory]

There's a big difference here.

[Mal]

That's what Tori's talking.

[Rory]

All Maul does is like Drake's music. You ask people that don't like you if they want to do anal. Shut the upper.

[Mal]

Wait. Tory is talking to Vlad about me liking Drake.

[Rory]

Yeah, I saw it this morning. He was trying to get the morale.

[Damaris]

It was on Vlad. There was a clip that Roy played earlier before we started recording it. He basically was saying the beef was never close. There's this whole conversation as if Kendrick and Drake. It was. It was a. Who's responding next? As if that would determine who the winner is.

[Rory]

Vlad mentioned within the first two minutes. I think it was closer than people thought. Like it was close. And then Torre, who is the all expert of hip hop, was like, oh, that's disgusting that you would ever say that. Only someone like, like Mal, who's like a super Drake Stan would ever say something stupid like that.

[Mal]

My name is.

[Rory]

Okay. You also ask women that don't like you for aim.

[Mal]

My name is not Jamal. My name is Jamal. They call me more.

[Rory]

I was in CVS again and they called me Mal. I said, I'm not Mel.

[Mal]

And neither is Mal. Neither am I.

[Rory]

And I'm picking up. I'm picking up medication. You see my name.

[Mal]

So Tori. Hey, Tori. I'll slap the out you. Awesome G. Tory, you got me up. I'll be sitting here chilling. I'm gonna have to slap a 2025 A. Getting slapped. No, I'm just joking, Tori. But why he came at me like that though?

[Clay]

I don't know what he say me for?

[Mal]

Yeah, what Tori say me for.

[Rory]

And the funny thing is I was gassing. We didn't pass like schedules didn't match or whatever. Like he asked to come on our show and I wasn't. I was with it. It just didn't work with our schedule and was left at that.

[Mal]

He said I was.

[Damaris]

I was with it, according to the woman.

[Rory]

I understand he has done a lot in hip hop journalism. Like I. I revere what he's done in that regards. I just don't like people speaking on my man's name when they have like weird Cases.

[Damaris]

Oh, this is like.

[Rory]

Just shut up.

[Damaris]

Rory's saying she left a comment explaining exactly what he said, and she said, I used to work on a show in 2017, and he couldn't stop asking me to do anal, which Rory detailed. Then he also added, very detailed is hilarious. How do I look naked if I had sex over the weekend? What it would look like to fuck me? What his come would look like on my face if I ever had the crew stay in the room with me while I got him ready? What if I left? Like, he was just used, you know, nasty.

[Mal]

He said, she said, when I left. When I left, I called hr. He got. He got fired immediately.

[Rory]

All right, so I got a weird case. Why is he around asking what my.

[Mal]

Yo, I wonder what my come would look like on your face. Like, while I'm, like, trying to do your makeup is crazy. And Torre is the exact person that would say that Drake lost.

[Rory]

He's also the. He's also the exact person that would say, which I'm fine with. Believe all women.

[Mal]

So.

[Rory]

All right, should we believe her, Tory? Because if that's the case, you shouldn't be around.

[Mal]

Listen, man. What?

[Rory]

What? What? What?

[Mal]

I just want to know. I just wanted to know what he said me for, man. That's all. I'd be minding my business, man. All right, Tory, whatever.

[Damaris]

His. His cleanup DMS are hilarious.

[Rory]

Oh, please read them. I. I didn't dig this deep.

[Damaris]

No, he's like, I was genuinely asking you as a friend. As a friend, you loser.

[Mal]

The atore is definitely that guy. Like, he'll put LOL on the end of it just to seem like he's joking. Like, I want to put it in your butt lol.

[Rory]

But you can't do that in person when someone's putting makeup on your face and they're just right here and you're going, yo, you want anal? Like, n. Lol. Can't get you out that situation.

[Damaris]

Jesus, bro.

[Mal]

Do you say lol or do you, like, laugh?

[Rory]

You don't say that to says lol.

[Mal]

He says.

[Rory]

He says. He says LOL out loud.

[Mal]

He says, you like ao. Can I come on your face? Lol? I don't know if that's how that works, Tori. On Vlad. Whatever. Thank you for that, though, Rory.

[Rory]

No, I just. I, I, I saw it this morning on the way here. I was.

[Mal]

See, that's why this works. Because you see the. That I would never click on. See, even when my name is attached to it, I'm not clicking on it.

[Rory]

What's funny? Is. I didn't see the clip as, like, someone tweeted it like, yo. He brought up more. I have. Which I've admitted. I have Vlad in my algorithms. I've been critical of him. But I also do like some of his content. And I saw it. Sorry. Who I respect as a journalist. I think the headline was on. On Vlad. That's probably why I clicked it. Like, Tory tells Vlad he's a lame. And I was like, all right, let me click it. And then your name gets brought up. And no, I'm not. I'm not with that.

[Mal]

I appreciate.

[Rory]

I don't like that type of ride together.

[Mal]

We die together.

[Rory]

I don't. I mean, let's stay alive.

[Mal]

Potters for life.

[Rory]

We can also move into other shit. Like, I love potting. I want to do it for a very long. I'm not going anywhere but like for the rest of my life.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I want to move on to, like, other shit.

[Mal]

I want to. Things, man. Want to get out of here soon. Sooner than later.

[Rory]

But after I clicked that Vlad interview and was. Was seething through the Holland Tunnel.

[Mal]

You look like, where's Tori? Yeah.

[Rory]

And you pronounce his name wrong.

[Mal]

Right. That's what I'm really mad at. But anyway.

[Rory]

And you can't have the same name as a great rapper. Tori. I don't even like that.

[Mal]

Yeah. I feel you.

[Rory]

You get confused. Like now people think the rapportories is asking for anal. I then put on Tyler's album, which probably had some anal stuff in there.

[Mal]

So for sure. Buff neck rucks. Racer butts. Hot butt. Sex with Buff. Next. Flex was so confused. Flex has never been so confused in his life. Like, yo, why whoa.

[Damaris]

Why would you take it there?

[Mal]

Why would that be the bar you went with?

[Clay]

All right.

[Rory]

I think it's unfair to an artist like Tyler to give any type of review because we're recording this on a Monday. The album came out today. This morning at 6am Yep. I will start with saying that I love the Experiment. Experiment experience at 6am Monday to drive to work with a new album. I think that's way cooler than Friday. I want to start with that.

[Damaris]

I love the Wake Up.

[Rory]

That was really cool. Especially artists like him to start Monday morning with a new album rather than a Friday. So out the gate. Love that. I gave it two listens. And again, I'm not. I don't want to be held to any of my words on my instant review.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But I think it's okay to give quick instant reviews on certain shit off first listen, I was confused as fuck. And I think maybe that's a good thing. It's all over the place. And I'm not saying that in a bad way. I've just. With Tyler for his last four albums, I felt like he's honed in on a certain sound and a certain message and a certain idea and stayed to it all the way through. I hate to really do, like, sequencing cohesive, because those are all buzzwords, but he's a master at that. This one, I don't even fucking know. It's a bunch of great music, but it's all over the place, which is, again, unfair for an artist like this. Off one or two listens, I think by Thursday I'll have better thoughts. But I was confused. Maybe that was the fucking point.

[Mal]

Who was Some of the features on there?

[Rory]

Wayne, Sexy Red and Glorilla are on a get buck sample. So, you know, my G unit ass was excited.

[Damaris]

Sticky is the name of that record.

[Rory]

Sticky was Fire. There's All School. Schoolboy Q goes Crazy Dochi, great up for debate for one of the best verses of the year. So there's good features on there, but Childish Gambino, okay.

[Damaris]

Tizo Gambino, Daniel Caesar, those round out the rest of the features.

[Mal]

I like those features.

[Damaris]

Features are great.

[Rory]

They fit really well, too. Like, really, really well. Again, I think it's unfair, but that was just my. My initial reaction was, okay, that was a lot. This is a lot to process. It's a full roller coaster of emotions throughout the entire thing.

[Damaris]

And there are a lot of heavy records, ones that you need to definitely live with. Like, Darling Eye is very heavy as is. Take your mask off. Tomorrow's great. I just think, like, yeah, a lot of these, to Rory's point, like, Tyler doesn't really make passive albums. You really need to sit and listen with them. Especially this one contributing so many different sounds. I. I listened to it this morning at the gym. I'm gonna probably leave the studio today and go home and listen to it four more times. Like, it's one of those. I just want to. Before I say anything rash or, like, irrational, I just want to give it a fair shake. But initial listen, I liked it, but there's a lot going on, for sure.

[Mal]

Okay. Well, I haven't. I haven't listened to it yet, but I like Tyler, so I'll definitely listen to it tonight.

[Rory]

And I love that I have all the weekdays to live with it.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Instead of, like, the weekend, like, oh, it's Monday now. Let me try to get into this album. I hope more people do. Monday.

[Mal]

I always love, like, when we get new music and I have to travel. Yeah, like, that's. I love getting new music and I have to have to travel. That's. That's my favorite time to taking new music. But definitely gonna check this album out. I love what he. He's been doing artistically around it. He had. What was it, the session at the Intuit Dome. Yep. The other night. Chromacopia. I guess the lime green. That's the marketing that they're. They're doing behind the whole thing. The set looked great, but Tyler, we talked about it with last week. Tyler is. He's one of the most creative and artistic people that we have in this culture. So we expect, every time we see him, every time he gives us his new installation or his new piece to his art, it's always going to be an experience. So Chroma Copia seems to be fitting that so far. I haven't gotten into the music just yet, but visually, everything I've been seeing so far is on par for what Tyler usually does.

[Rory]

And he used his mom on one or two interludes with Call Me if you get Lost, but more in, like, a funny way. And his mom does sound like she's hilarious. Like, I know that mom.

[Mal]

Yeah, she's.

[Rory]

She's one of those. Used her again and got into some deeper stuff. I've never heard a woman publicly tell their son, I purposely kept your father away from you. He's not the bad guy. I was young. I was bitter. I was upset. You should not hate him. I kept your father away from you.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I thought that was super heavy. And then it went into. Again, this came out today. What's the name of that beautiful song that Tyler's talking about his dad, like, him goes into like him. Yeah, it was. That was some heavy shit. I've never heard a woman admit that out loud. Like, we've all seen women do that, and we've called them out for it. I even think some of what Three Stacks talked about in Life of the Party dug some deeper into that. Like, yo, is my father ashamed that I took your name? But you were a young girl. Like, yeah, this is. This was. It had to have been tough to even try to make that decision. I think that's something to be explored.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Again, came out today. But that shit blew my mind for her to even have the balls to say that. Like, I think that's beautiful that she was able publicly to also say that to her son.

[Mal]

Yeah. That's a tough. I mean, when an artist jumps that deep into their personal life, I mean, it's honorable, number one, that they're willing to talk about that and put that out into the public. But I think that it's part of what art is supposed to do. It's supposed to inspire, change, conversations, you know, it's supposed to impact life, and you're supposed to use that as a. As a tool to kind of create your art. So, I mean, I. I'm a fan of Tyler, man. I like everything Tyler does. He. He's himself. He's not. He doesn't sound like nobody else. He doesn't look like nobody else. I just appreciate that from any artist when they're not trying to give us something that we already have, they're being true to who they are. So I'm definitely want to get into this album and just kind of let it play a few times and. And take what I take from it. But I don't know, man. Y'all don't sound like y'all are too, too thrilled on the first few.

[Clay]

I know.

[Damaris]

I like it.

[Rory]

I really did like it. It's just a lot to unpack, like.

[Clay]

All right.

[Rory]

With Igor and Call me when you get lost, I immediately love those. I actually am on the side. In a few years, I think it'll be safe to say Igor is a classic album. Call me when you get lost. I loved out the Gate still stays in rotation. This one was just like.

[Damaris]

It's heavy.

[Rory]

It's a lot like ev. Even production wise, it's. It's. It's tough. Not in a bad way, but it. It's going to take a second, I think, to really deal with it. It. It's. It's a lot, but.

[Mal]

All right, I'm going check it out. I'll definitely have some. Some more to add to that, but either way, Chromacopia Tyler, the creator is available now on your DSPs. I'm sure they'll jump in the comments and let us know that they.

[Rory]

They've been killing me all day in the comments about. So we had an amazing conversation on Patreon, patreon.com forward/new Rory Mall about Tyler. That came out today. On Monday, part of that conversation, I said the west coast just started claiming Kendrick and we clipped that up. I'm sorry, Tyler. And they have been smoking me all day.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Hell yeah.

[Damaris]

Yeah, they. They said they.

[Mal]

What did Tory have to say about that? Yeah, Tyler, he loves anal. Yeah.

[Rory]

I don't know if you have to ask that.

[Damaris]

Ah, you don't know. He might not bottom. He could be a top.

[Mal]

He said hot butt sex.

[Rory]

I mean then Elliot picked it up. I got killed in Elliot's comments. Anytime you getting smoked in your own comments. And then other places pick it up just to like add on to the always sucks. But I'm not gonna blame this one on Peach, nor am I going to backtrack. I had a few calls with some people from the west coast this morning, which I thought was crazy because it's a three hour time difference. I'm like, are you just leaving the club? Like how the you seeing this clipping at 5am over there? I was more talking about media. Like I don't think that Tyler's gotten his just due the way YG Tai nip. Like a lot of artists from the west coast, most of TDE schoolboy, they were revered. A little different with the west coast media personalities, whereas Tyler has not. That was really what I was getting at because I saw a bunch of people like look at that. They're calling me the R word. Alliteration. I get it though. So it's cool. I'm not saying the skater kids in Pasadena were not loving odd future in 2011.

[Mal]

Yeah. You didn't say nobody in on the West Coast.

[Rory]

Clearly they had a huge movement.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And it started in the west coast. I'm saying on a media platform. You west coast media personalities are finally now feeling comfortable in the last five years, three years to say, yo, I like Tyler because I was not doing that before. And don't lie to me because I pay attention to all the media.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I'm not saying in Inglewood they didn't love Tyler. I wasn't there.

[Clay]

Right.

[Rory]

Wasn't all about y'all. We know in the media who was never claiming him. And now they love him.

[Mal]

Well, I mean it's hard not to. Again, he's one of the. The dopest artists we have. So I mean it makes sense. And he's. His career is just elevated to a different level too at this point. Like he's. He's more of a household name. How long have they been doing camp flogging on? They've been doing that for some years.

[Damaris]

This is their. Is it. Was it the 10, 10 year anniversaries this year?

[Mal]

Yeah. Yeah. So he's had that movement.

[Damaris]

That's crazy.

[Rory]

No, it's odd. Future and Tyler have had a movement since 2010. Since. Yeah. 2010, 22,009 maybe. I'm talking about the media blogs Everything. They was not jacking that. They was calling it weird and corny.

[Mal]

Oh, well, we know they was definitely calling it that. He called that at the. At the Grammys. They called it weird.

[Damaris]

There was a line. There was a line on the matter.

[Rory]

Of fact, Frank made a lot of that Odd Future shit palatable to the mainstream media. Like, oh, he's from that clique, so maybe we should accept them.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Which is like, all right, man.

[Damaris]

There was a line on the second record of the album. He said, it's really Odd Future. All them is whacked out the biggest out the city. After Kenny, that's facts now referring to him in Odd Future being the second biggest thing out of LA behind tde. You guys have any thoughts about that?

[Rory]

I think it's the only three I can. Four Wuang, Odd Future, Native Tongues, Dungeon Family. I can't think of clicks that have that many people that are that successful outside of them, that has a. That has a crew that big. I see your wheel spinning.

[Mal]

Did you say nwa?

[Rory]

I'm. Yeah.

[Damaris]

But that's three people. Is it?

[Mal]

No, it wasn't.

[Rory]

If you go down the family tree of everything that came from Dre, Cube and Eazy, Yeah, you have a crazy family tree. But if you look at the collective of nine people from Staten island in Brooklyn, being friends as kids and doing what they did, seeing what Native Tongues did and, I mean, granted, that was a super, super group between Dayla, Queen, Latifah Tribe, everyone. I don't even know if they even count yet, because they were. They were really like Thanos, but Odd Future. They were just a bunch of kids in the LA area.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

That came together and formed something. And if you look through this list.

[Damaris]

I mean, this is like.

[Rory]

Steve Lacy is part of this. Like, what?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I don't even know where to begin when you talk about the Odd Future Empire.

[Mal]

Mm.

[Rory]

And Dungeon Family would be next there. Those are only people I can really, like, think of when it comes to crews that were really just came up together in their city.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah. How could you not put Odd Future next to names like Wu Tang next to names like Dungeon Family? I don't. It's impossible.

[Mal]

You know, I was just trying to think. But definitely, from what I'm thinking of now, they're definitely shit. They might. I don't know if I'm gonna say they number one, but.

[Rory]

And I like. Do you count Vince being part of that clique?

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Rory]

So, yeah.

[Mal]

Like, yeah, that's tough.

[Damaris]

That's a. That's a strong crew. Yeah, I mean, I know old heads.

[Rory]

Don'T want to hear that because I understand. Wu Tang, to me is. Is the blueprint of everything from fashion to sound to raps, to lifestyle. They. They are longevity. They are it. But how could you not say that about Odd Future?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So, yeah, when. When Tyler says on the album, it's. It's Odd Future, and that's it. I'm the second out the city next to Kenny. Yeah. How is he not? He's been number two.

[Mal]

I mean, they might. As far as a crew, our Future might be bigger than td. This is artists as a collective.

[Rory]

But, like, see, TDE is a label to me. Like, even though I know soul, Kendrick, J Rock, like, we're all a crew in the beginning, you know, Schoolboy came tiny bit later, and then they. They made a label. Like, Odd Future, to me was a collective of friends that just happened to make music and came up together. So I look at those a bit differently. It's tough to say with Scissor right there, but then you also have Frank.

[Mal]

So I. I'm just.

[Rory]

Torre may have a point, man.

[Mal]

The list is there.

[Rory]

You just hate td.

[Mal]

No, I don't. I don't. I'm just saying you got a collective of all of these talented artists. Like, they check.

[Rory]

They check every box of underground, like, real hip hop shit with everything that Earl does is so innovative. Then you have Tyler, who's an absolute superstar, but is still very much. He's a young Kanye in that regard, where you are still that rap nerd, but you make popular music. Frank a list R B artist. Then you go into Sid and the Internet. Steve Lacy, Taco with acting, acting, and Vince with rapping and acting. I think Vince in the last three years may have the best discography of any rapper, period. In the last three years.

[Damaris]

Jasper with acting too. Jasper film.

[Rory]

It's tough.

[Damaris]

These guys are their. Their branches. Their roots are far. It's beyond just the initial, you know, crew.

[Rory]

And I mean, outside of that, just like Damo, Mike G, Left Brain, like, those are all extremely talented artists in their own right. But I'm just trying to think of, like, the main, main mainstream.

[Damaris]

Casey Veggies.

[Rory]

Like, let's not act like Taco wasn't one of the main cast members on one of the biggest shows we've seen in quite some time.

[Damaris]

Dave.

[Rory]

Yeah, I don't know, man. I could never go against Wu Tang, but it's a convo that needs to be had.

[Mal]

Well, either way, our future's in that. On that tier, they're in that conversation with some of the greatest crews that we've ever had in our culture.

[Rory]

Yeah, the only. The Jackass rebrand, the only new person they added was Jasper.

[Damaris]

Was Jasper.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, one of the most iconic TV and movie series of all time. They were like, yeah, give us Jasper. That's it.

[Damaris]

And I mean, as a kid that grew up on Chappelle's show in that era, something that was more like from kids our age, Loiter Squad was incredible. Like, these guys have been creating stuff outside of just music, that's also been great.

[Rory]

We have a funny sketch that never came out with Earl that parodied Loiter Squad, and we decided just not to put it out because we were positive.

[Mal]

We're trying to rise above mind elevation.

[Rory]

I sat with more after we did the edit. I was like, this is hilarious, man, but this ain't. I'm not about to make my life defined by this shit. Just know, I think our first or second episode we did with Earl, and we did a sketch.

[Mal]

We can't put it on Patreon. Nah, Nah, man.

[Damaris]

That shit's gonna go up on Reddit, YouTube, Twitter, everything. The second.

[Rory]

It's only. It's not even. You can't even hack my icloud to get it. It's on a drive in my house.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And I have guns, so you can't get it that way.

[Clay]

True.

[Mal]

You gotta stop saying that. No, I mean, one.

[Rory]

They just had the. They just had the Nazi rally at the Garden. I'm good.

[Clay]

Oh, okay, Cool.

[Mal]

Did the Nazis like with the Irish?

[Rory]

Hell, they hated Catholic.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

No one with Irish, but, yeah, we.

[Clay]

Know y'all were slaves, too.

[Rory]

You know what we went through.

[Mal]

Knew that was coming. As I ordered the Peaky Blinders.

[Rory]

We'll check out Tyler's album. I'm excited to talk about it on our second episode this week. Yeah, I'm gonna really do a deep dive into everything.

[Mal]

I'm gonna check it out tonight. Tyler. So I can come in here Thursday and on you.

[Rory]

But. But there's. Because he's West Coast.

[Clay]

Right?

[Rory]

But there's no way that we couldn't bring up that his album came out today. Because I love the Monday move.

[Mal]

No shout out to Tyler created Chromacopia, available on your DSPS now. Stream that. I'm gonna catch Tyler. I'm gonna catch one of his shows eventually.

[Rory]

Before we get into the Nazi rally at the Garden, how do we want to approach this Dirk thing? Free smirk.

[Mal]

We really want to approach. Approach it.

[Damaris]

What?

[Rory]

I. I hate to Be that person of like. I'm not surprised he's been rapping about it. Stop texting crimes to your friends.

[Mal]

Is that what happened?

[Rory]

I thought his friend wore a wire.

[Damaris]

Well, one of them did. Yes. Damaris is right. One of the OTF members did become an informant and wear a wire.

[Rory]

Okay. To fill in everyone that was probably under a rock the entire weekend. I think on Thursday or Friday, Dirk was picked up by the US Marshals and he was arrested for murder for hire in Florida, which he is going to be flown to la, where the crime happened. There was somebody from otf. I don't remember his name. He wore a wire on Dirk after he did 12 years. And Dirk paid for his lawyers got him a car when he got out, held him down, everything. This gentleman wore a wire. Obviously, U.S. marshals are privy to icloud and they found text messages of Dirk saying, don't purchase any shit under this OTF card. A bunch of incriminating shit that added up exactly to what the crime happened in front of the fucking Beverly Center.

[Damaris]

Yeah, it was like. It was the car rental, the hotels, everything, that the whole trip was funded on a car that linked directly back to. To those guys.

[Rory]

And what's crazy is I'm not a criminal at all. But I've watched enough like Netflix series where I think maybe I could outsmart the government. I wasn't even mad at Dirk's move of booking the flight to Dubai, booking the flight to some other location and then getting the private joint to Italy. Like, let me put my passport on this shit and hopefully the feds will go to that flight that I'm not going to. I saw the strategy, but if you're thinking that way, you don't think they have access to your icloud and your credit cards or anything else, like, what the fuck are we doing here? I just don't. I don't get why you would think you could get away with that.

[Mal]

As somebody that has lost a brother to street violence and gun violence.

[Damaris]

I'll.

[Mal]

Be the first to say I understand because it's a tough thing to bury a loved one that was murdered and in this case, shared on the Internet. You know, then you got people saying, oh, you're supposed to be a gangster, nobody ain't slide yet. And all this other corny shit that people like to do when you talk about somebody's life being taken. So then you have somebody like Dirk who is now in a place in his life where he's successful, you know, taking care of people, things like that. And then ultimately this falls on his lap because again, he is the head of the family. He's the breadwinner. So yes, it's up. Because on one hand, what is he supposed to do? They kill your brother. They share the video on the, on the Internet, you got, you know, other rappers laughing and, you know, people in the comments saying what they saying and y'all ain't slide yet. And all this other corny that people like to throw in the mix when you talking about a life being lost. And then we end up with a gentleman who is a Grammy winning artist now facing potentially the death penalty because allegedly, you know, he wanted revenge for the killing of his brother.

[Rory]

I didn't really like that narrative though, that people are saying that the Internet tricked Dirk out of his spot. And again, we have no idea what really happened this entire thing.

[Mal]

Yeah, no, we just, we just talking.

[Rory]

About just due process with everything that's.

[Mal]

Going on of what we do know.

[Rory]

But I don't think Dirk looked at Internet comments in the environment he's been from before he was a rapper and thought I need to slide because of Internet comments. I think you, I think a lot of y'all on the Internet are a little arrogant in the role that you play in people's lives. I don't, I think, I think as someone that also this year was a pallbearer for a very close friend that died from gun violence that we never even spoke about at all in this pod. The anger there, and I'm not from that environment whatsoever, but I know what that anger feels like. And he's from that environment. He didn't need y'all on the Internet to go there, like, stop every. All you other podcasters, bloggers, all that. You guys are not as important as you think in other people's lives. I don't think Dirk went yo them IG comments about Vaughn is crazy. I gotta do something like shut the fuck up.

[Mal]

No, it's not.

[Rory]

Y'all are weird.

[Mal]

It's not that. It's. It's the fact that people would sit online and kind of champion them doing something or retaliating. But you're champion of retaliation. You're, you're, you're, you're wanting to see a retaliation happen.

[Rory]

And again, I want to choose my words wisely, but I don't think Dirk needed them.

[Mal]

No, not. Nobody's saying he needed anybody for anything. I think y'all are lame for doing that.

[Rory]

Oh, no, we're on the same point.

[Mal]

What I'm speaking to is on one hand, people say, oh, Dirk ain't slide. He ain't do this. They ain't get back. And then when this comes out and this happens, oh, Dirk is stupid. Oh, he crashed out. He was supposed to stay away from. It's like, what the. What are y'all talking about, man? Man, like, just think about the severity of the situation. This. This, this. This gentleman is facing, potentially life in prison or the death penalty. This is what this. This is what. Murder for hire. This is what this carries.

[Rory]

Hey, rappers talk about guns.

[Mal]

These are federal guidelines.

[Rory]

They turn into nuns.

[Mal]

These are federal guidelines that you just can't. It is what it is. So I say again, prayers to Dirk, prayers to his family. No matter what side of this you on, right or wrong, it's a sad situation all the way around. And that's just the bottom line here. And again, as somebody who has lost loved ones to street violence, I understand the emotion of retaliation, and I understand the. You know, what that energy is when it's on you. And all you can think about is the loss of your loved one. And you want somebody to feel your pain, and you want to. Somebody got to pay for what they did. I understand that energy very well. And it takes a lot to kind of avoid that energy and becoming a victim of that energy. But at the same time, I understand when you do become a victim of that energy and you do retaliate and you do try to avenge the loss of a loved one, because that's just part of this fucked up cycle, is if somebody hurts me, I gotta hurt them. If I lose one, you gotta lose one. And that's what the conversation should be, because again, you're talking about a Grammy winning artist. This is somebody who has a lot of success, has a lot of things going on, a lot of great things happening in their life, and now all of that comes to a stop. And you may be potentially, you know, in a fucking cage for the rest of your life, but again, on one hand, I understand it because I know what that energy can feel like when you're alone. And, you know, you have those thoughts and emotions running through you. And, you know, it's hard to, you know, it's hard to stay away from that.

[Rory]

And I mean, I appreciated Kwondo's post. I mean, I hated that so many outlets use that for more clickbait, like Kwondo ends the little Dirk beef. But, I mean, I appreciated his post of saying, yo, we didn't get into this business to do this. We got into this business to not do it. And it sucks because he spoke. He has a lot of trouble with forgiving people that have wronged him, I. E. Probably harming some of his family. But this can't keep going. Like, what the fuck are we gonna do here? This isn't why we became successful. It sucks that this post had to happen at this point when a couple people are now dead and a whole nother group is indicted. I wish this would have happened prior to, but I mean, I appreciate it that Quando at least posted in that time. I don't. I don't know if it was sincere, but I mean, I, I don't. I mean, I did, I did get it. I also like watched. We laughed about Quando's interview with Angela Yeek when you just kept saying miss ma'am and like that. It was. It was hilarious. But what we also talked about was y'all could hear the pain in his fucking voice. Like, that was a traumatic fucking situation.

[Damaris]

When I was at Atlantic, I worked with Quando and this Vaughn's passing happened when I was at Atlantic and I was tasked with the rest of his team as like, how do we still put out music? Like, what does this look like moving forward with the situation that happened? And it was rough and you could see. Cause I did spend a bit of time with him as well. It like, it fucked him up and he did like quietly start to like turn to religion and kind of become more of a recluse during that time. But yeah, I mean, I think what you're describing, Rory, I think it was like, it's authentic. Like, he, I. You could tell, like this shit, he. It just wasn't anything that he didn't want any of this to happen. I mean, shit, the murder for hire case that happened with him in la, that was his cousin that was killed with him in that car and he watched his cousin get murdered targeting him.

[Rory]

At the same time.

[Damaris]

Yeah, you were the target. You watched your cousin.

[Rory]

Now you're responsible. Someone tried to kill me. And now I gotta tell my aunt. Yeah, that your son is dead because someone was trying to kill me.

[Damaris]

It's all on camera. You see that? The door open and the body f. Like it's just graphic and awful. I haven't spoken to Quando in quite some time. But yeah, it just this. No one wants this to happen. I get it. To your point, like, it's cool for the blogs, the fans.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Hip hop, violence, all this. This sucks. It's stupid.

[Rory]

Well, it's. It's so much more deep rooted than Just hip hop or anything like that. Like, as much as I think how this entire back and forth allegedly started, I think yes, one could look at this and say this was pointless, but it's way more deep rooted horse than that. Like, I, I, I get it. I understand why people are saying, yo, they, this started because they was arguing over a chick. Like, what the, how do we even get here? Cool. But that shit is so much more deep rooted than poverty. If y'all think that was just two people arguing over a chick, you have completely missed the last 150 years of what the has been going on. Yeah, so.

[Damaris]

And there's a level of paranoia that comes with this. Like, you know, whether or not it was always hot. Like, even when Quanda would come to New York again, like, he was just, you can just see the constant always looking over your shoulder, always feeling like you have, you know, who's this? Or what's that? You're just, you're living in a state of constant paranoia and that is just, it's taxing your, your mind never, you never have the ability to just shut off and just relax. I mean, there's, it's so much that.

[Mal]

You know, but, but either way, the bottom line is, you know, something, something needs to change, something needs to happen. And I love, you know, what Quando has been, you know, he found religion. You know, he's a Muslim now. No, Dirk is a Muslim. So it's good to see, you know, these young men find religion and find, find God through the trauma and through the life, their life obstacles and things like that. But we got to do something before it has to get to that.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Because it's, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's almost like, you know, we've lost, it's so many people that we've talked about that we've lost in this culture due to gun violence that we don't even remember, like, we don't even speak about anymore. It's been so many people and it's scary when you think about it because it's like, like, so this person is just forgotten. Like, we don't speak about this, these people anymore. You know, we lost them. We watched some of them die because people love, you know, spreading that on social media. But certain words I can't say on, on this mic, but we could spread death and, and people bleeding out, you know, losing their life on social media. You got to start this, you got to take a step back and just kind of assess what exactly are we Doing and what is happening because, you know, it's real life. Things that are, are taking place. This Dirk situation is very, very serious. This isn't something to just sit on a podcast and talk about, you know, create a YouTube video or stream and try to put the pieces to the public. This is not, you know, we try to make it seem so entertaining. And this is, this is not for entertainment. This is real life. This is. Lives are being lost, people are dying, young men are dying, young women are dying, people are doing, you know, life in prison. This is not, this is not a joke, this is not a game. And you know, I know people gonna scroll and continue to do what the fuck they wanna do and make the records and the music and the videos they want. And that's what you're supposed to do. That's your life, you know, but something, something has to be done because, you know, a situation like this is, you start talking about murder for hire, you know, like across the street from the Beverly south, we gotta start having some effective, I don't know which people need to be in the room and which people need to call, you know, put this thing together, but it needs to happen because this is, it's reached, you know, this is the highest of levels that I can possibly think about. When you talk about, you know, a Grammy award winning artist is now facing these charges, it's like, what the is going on right now? So again, you know, prayers to Dirk, prayers to Quando Rondo, his family, prayers to all the lives that was lost.

[Rory]

Vaughn's family.

[Mal]

Vaughn's family. You know, this is not, it's not entertaining to me because I'm somebody who has dealt with my losses in the streets and things like that. So it's not, none of it is entertainment to me. I don't laugh at none of it. I don't even like to speak on it because again, it feels like I'm kind of trying to monetize off of this shit and that's the last thing I'm trying to do. But I understand that people want to hear some people talk about it. I just want the shit to change. I want to see, you know, people live out their dreams, create their art, travel the world, have fun, do fly shit. Scrolling on Instagram and seeing somebody is dead or facing a murder for hire case and things like that. That's. I don't want to see that shit. I don't care to see it. I don't want to see it. And I hate anybody that got to deal with that shit. I You know, that's. I can only imagine what Dirk is dealing with emotionally and just, you know, thinking about right now in his cell, like, that's. This is some of the worst shit ever. This story is tragic all the way around. So prayers to all of the young brothers and sisters, man, and hopefully we can get this right, man, because we got way too much access and way too much, too many outlets to do different things. Now. This is not like back in the days where, you know, you only could be working at the post office or a milkman. You can be whatever you want to be. You can make a lot of money out here. You can do travel the world and have a great time. And this is the last thing anybody needs to be facing is a murder for hire case. All right, y'all. Well, it's that time of year again, our favorite time of year, where we find out exactly how blind love is.

[Rory]

It'll take over your mind.

[Mal]

Love is Blind Season seven just ended last week. And look at us lucky guys. We are blessed to have our. I guess it's like our Love is Blind correspondent at this point.

[Rory]

Senior. Senior. Senior correspondent.

[Mal]

Senior correspondent. That's when the big bucks start rolling in. Once they put senior in front of your title, we are joined by our guy, Clay Grave. Sandy. Great. Clay. What's up, man?

[Clay]

What's up, y'all? What's up? What's up?

[Mal]

So appreciate y'all taking care of yourself.

[Clay]

Yeah, yeah, I would take care of myself. I'm an expert at Love is Blind. I'm saying.

[Mal]

No, you definitely expert. No, you definitely are expert.

[Damaris]

Still can't see.

[Rory]

Or the complete opposite of a. Yeah.

[Mal]

No, that's the expert. That's the experts.

[Rory]

I like.

[Clay]

Hey, listen, I got warning for the men that's getting ready to join Love is Blonde. I feel like they need to holla at me before they ever join the show, you know what I'm saying? Because I went through different spectrums.

[Mal]

Tutorial.

[Clay]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got the good, I got the bad. I feel like I could. I'm definitely well rounded.

[Rory]

This is your big brother's Big Sisters program. You're gonna mentor everyone that goes into the show.

[Clay]

Well, not the guys that get married. I would say they should not talk to me, but the ones that don't, they should definitely appreciate the self awareness.

[Mal]

Okay, I like that. I like that. The ones that's not getting married, come talk to Clay. He'll help you get your feet up under you and be ready to go back out into the world. After the pods, before we start.

[Rory]

I have to say, I think you owe Damaris an apology. A formal one. Okay, I. I don't remember what happened.

[Clay]

But, I mean, I must have been like. I was thinking. I'm like, damn. I was watching the pod, and I was like, damn, I was a little hot. You know what I'm saying?

[Mal]

But okay.

[Rory]

But I'm Accountability, Damaris is that.

[Clay]

I'm gonna say that.

[Rory]

That starts with an apology. Accountability.

[Clay]

I'm gonna say this, man. I'm a real sensitive guy. Like. And I'm cool with that. You know what I'm saying? I'm a sensitive guy.

[Rory]

Still the same. There's been no growth.

[Clay]

I saw. I saw a couple.

[Rory]

I love it.

[Clay]

I saw a couple episodes, and I was like, why? She got so much smoke for me. So, you know, the Whiffer kind of get in there, you start drinking. I'm like. So I see. Like, okay. She like the devil advocate, but I was kind of like, at the end of the day, we could have hung out and had a great time after that. But I do apologize for my tone. Damaris, I'm looking you right now. I apologize.

[Mal]

He did the work. Damaris. He's doing the work.

[Rory]

He did the work.

[Clay]

Here's the thing, like I said, I always tell people. I'm like, I'm so many different things, bro. So I could definitely kind of be hot one day. And I'm like, he's an animal. I was a little wild that day, and I. I acknowledged that. You know what I'm saying?

[Mal]

So I respect that.

[Rory]

There's different layers tomorrow. It's just like an onion.

[Mal]

Yeah, you got to keep.

[Damaris]

It's like Shrek.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah, call. Better help. Use code. Rory mall. And get 15% off. 15 or 50.

[Rory]

15.

[Mal]

Right.

[Damaris]

It doesn't matter.

[Mal]

Just call.

[Damaris]

They don't want you to say it. That's what.

[Rory]

Yeah, matter of fact, shut up. They don't even allow you to do that.

[Mal]

Don't tell them that I sent you that. Tell them Rory.

[Rory]

Use code. Rory and Rory only. Well, Damaris, I don't know. Did you accept the apology? We couldn't start without you feeling okay. I would feel wrong.

[Mal]

Damaris over there sipping on white zinfandel. So she'll be, you know.

[Clay]

Oh, yeah, on that.

[Rory]

$7.99 Riesling that barefoot. Well, it's good to have you back, and I'm glad that all the air was cleared and now you and Damaris can get back to the best friends that you. We're destined to be.

[Clay]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

Because you're both very toxic people.

[Mal]

All right, fuck all that. Let's get into the messies. So Love is Blind Season seven. It's over. It's ended.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Mal]

So I guess we can get into it. But I do want to start because when I started watching it, a friend of mine was like, I want you to take notes and send me notes as you watch it. Because she. She had. Was already almost finished.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Mal]

So she was just laughing. It was like, I have to hear your thoughts.

[Rory]

So have you ever taken notes before in your life, period?

[Mal]

I took. I take notes during the NBA final.

[Clay]

That's dedication right there. NBA finals? Yeah.

[Mal]

Like when I'm betting, when I'm gambling.

[Clay]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I probably should doing that.

[Rory]

All right, what did you label this note?

[Mal]

Love is blind season. S7. S7. You gotta put S7. All right, so I'll start with, I say Nick Dork is a serial blind dater.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mal]

This ain't his first rodeo. He's not looking for love. And he wore Nike ankle socks with high water dress pants. Production obviously made him take them off because suddenly they're gone. Then I get into Tyler. Yeah. Then I get into Tyler. Tyler is definitely a fuckboy. He has red suede shoes with a red jacket. He's literally a red flag.

[Clay]

I remember that.

[Mal]

Ashley a seems like a true sweetheart that falls for boys quite often.

[Rory]

I love those.

[Mal]

She wants love, but her discernment might be a little skewed.

[Rory]

What Ashley look like?

[Damaris]

This is them.

[Mal]

Ashley. She's pretty. Beautiful girl.

[Rory]

Yeah, she's very beautiful.

[Mal]

Hannah is young and seems like she's just getting over a little phase of dating the wrong guys. She's smart, but a little quirky, naive. She quit her job to find love. Leo seems like.

[Rory]

What was her job? What job? She.

[Clay]

And they call me a cloud chaser.

[Mal]

Yeah, she.

[Rory]

So she was unemployed.

[Damaris]

Yeah. That became a running.

[Mal]

She was laid off, Rory.

[Damaris]

That became a running thing throughout the season.

[Clay]

Because who's leaving medical device sales for love? I'm sorry.

[Mal]

I mean, well, I mean, most of.

[Rory]

The occupations, when they introduce themselves, sounds like they're unemployed. People are just making up as they go. I'm a marketing consultant for tech.

[Mal]

And it's like, all right, man, I get it.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Then I get into Leo, say, you.

[Rory]

Lost a lot of money in crypto. Like, it's fine.

[Mal]

I say, leo seems like he's looking for a real connection. Says he wants a woman that doesn't want him just for money. Hold on to that one. Then I Say Britney is a groupie. I hope none of these guys fall for her. She's literally calling herself a trophy wife, and she doesn't like to cook. Garrett is definitely looking for his next victim. He's a nerd.

[Rory]

Leo looks very pro Israel.

[Mal]

That's crazy.

[Damaris]

Nailed it. Nailed it.

[Clay]

Yep.

[Mal]

He's a Jew, all right.

[Rory]

My pops taught me well.

[Mal]

Taylor seems smart and secure. She likes Garrett and they seem like they have some chemistry.

[Damaris]

This is Taylor and Garrett.

[Clay]

Roy.

[Rory]

That's a cute couple. They look like they could be siblings.

[Damaris]

They're both very nerdy. They're both like a science brain. He's a physicist. She did some with policy and engineering, so. But they were physicists, all right.

[Rory]

They're just trying to, like, go through their whole phase at this point. You had a good job. They probably never had friends, and they did this to get some life experience.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Clay]

You talking about the experiment?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Clay]

You know, sometimes, bro, I'll be kind of wondering, like, why Love is Blonde. Be picking the cast that they be picking, bro. I don't be like, I don't know, but I be feeling like sometimes the guys don't have success with women, so this is their time. Like, the guys that be getting married, I'll be like, the ones that like. Like, this is. This is it.

[Mal]

This is it.

[Clay]

This is it. Like, they can't go back to what they were doing before. Like, this is all nb. All.

[Rory]

It's a high volume choice, though, because if they want to stay on the show, and I think a lot of girls in the earlier seasons came on the show just because they wanted to be reality stars.

[Clay]

I agree.

[Rory]

They have to pick these guys to stay on the show. So it's a good choice.

[Mal]

Like, it is. The one thing I do like about Love is Blind is I think that if you're truly there, whether or not it's you're, you know, you're socially awkward, you never really dated, you know, pretty successful women. I think that it's interesting because you have a mix of guys like yourself who may have done well in the lady department before the show, dated pretty women, successful women, had your own thing going on. This is something that you're like, all right, I'll try it. Not necessarily saying, I'm going into it, like, I'm definitely gonna find love and get married, but, like, let's see what happens. But then there's some guys on there that are like, no, I'm not coming out of this unless I'm married. Like, I'm going into it Like, I'm gonna find my wife. And I think it's a balance of both. Of the type. Those type of men and women that they put into these podcasts.

[Rory]

Well, and then there's the. The third party of the guy that says, I want to get married and goes all the way to the altar. And then it's like, yo, I got something to do today. Then there's that guy. I don't know his name, but I.

[Clay]

Would say to that man, like, listen.

[Rory]

It'S never not going to be funny to me. I'm sorry. I love you, but. Such an asshole.

[Clay]

I know, man. I. You know what? I said that, too, man. I said that, you know, Gross.

[Rory]

I love it.

[Clay]

I could be an asshole. I could be. And I'm a selfish guy, you know, at the end of the day, you know? And I did love AD but maybe I should have definitely been able to think about things from. From a foresight in a futuristic perspective.

[Mal]

Like before the wedding.

[Clay]

Before the wedding.

[Mal]

Don't go all to the wedding.

[Clay]

Just right before, you know, I told you. I said, man, on that Wednesday, I thought I was gonna get married. But I. You know, it was a Friday wedding came on.

[Mal]

Oh, my God. That's crazy.

[Rory]

I mean, my mind stay on Wednesdays and Fridays is different. Yeah, it might have something to do on it.

[Mal]

Yeah, a couple more. I said, tim and Alex. No, Taylor seems smart. Skill likes Garrett. Early to add some chemistry. Tim and Alex seem like they have a connection. They seem like they would work well together. Then I get back to Leo. I said, leo says he wants a woman that doesn't want him for his money, but he can't stop talking about his money. Brittany's about to lick this sucker like a lollipop. I said, tyler has mommy issues. He might be a super f. CK boy.

[Rory]

Why? Why did you think Tyler had mommy issues?

[Mal]

Oh, God.

[Rory]

Did he straight up say I have mommy issues?

[Mal]

I don't know if he ever said it, but I just. You know, when talking about family and things, he gets very emotional and cries a lot and things.

[Clay]

The velvet shirt did it for you, huh?

[Mal]

Yeah, that. Just the red. With the red shoes. And I was just like, all right, what are we doing?

[Rory]

He could be a noob.

[Mal]

He could be. Then I said, hannah seems a little insecure, for sure. Her and Nick, strangely, seem like they'd be good for each other.

[Rory]

Gotcha. Now, I did see one clip that was going viral on Twitter. Is Leo the same guy that was talking about his money? Like with the fellas at the dinner Table.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Clay]

Yep.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Then they did.

[Rory]

That was a sick clip.

[Damaris]

He's.

[Clay]

He has an inheritance.

[Mal]

Yeah. Then he did some. They did some super. Just something a man shouldn't do. They all passed around his Rolex and tried it on.

[Clay]

Yeah. Never do that.

[Mal]

But that was the nastiest thing in reality TV history.

[Clay]

Oh, man.

[Mal]

Seen some nasty things.

[Rory]

Nastier than me putting Logic's ring on.

[Mal]

That was nasty. But it was only because I was being polite. Yeah. And then Logic had, you know, he had offered it. Yeah. Like, you know, this is. Oh, wait, only me.

[Rory]

What kind of radio didn't offer to pass around the. The loving Rolex?

[Mal]

I don't know how it started. I think he. They were just talking about his Rolex.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Mal]

And it just turned into like, I guess it was a cut and everybody was just like wearing it, trying it on.

[Clay]

So I went out with Leo yesterday. I actually was with Leo and stuff like that.

[Mal]

He's Leon Clay in New York City where the cameras there.

[Clay]

No cameras. No cameras. It was a good time, man. Shout out to Leo. He a cool dude, man. He said that the Rolex thing just kind of like, just took off. It was like a very small moment in the pods, you know? Cause you there for 10 days, you know. So he said it was a little small moment. He didn't even think that was going to be a major component of his storyline. And. Yeah, he didn't think his Rolex was.

[Mal]

Going to be a major component.

[Clay]

He did not. He said he talked about it like one day and that was it, you know.

[Mal]

Oh, but you know, that's the beauty in production.

[Clay]

All right.

[Damaris]

They talked about the Rolex one day, but all he talked about was how wealthy and how much money and he was on to a private school. Like, he was like, I don't want this to be my personality. But then he made that his personality.

[Clay]

But you hear me out, though. If I'm in a competition, right, I got, you know, it's 15 dudes and I'm trying to get my one girl. I might tell my wife that, yo, these n. Tell her that these niggas is broke. I got money, I got Rolexes, I got inheritance.

[Mal]

Like going into the part where you can't see the girl, like, and then imagine when the screen comes up and it's Shrek standing. You told Shrek I got Rolexes because.

[Rory]

The point of being that rich is to marry the gold digger. That looks amazing. Imagine having having like an ugly ass gold digger.

[Mal]

Oh, my God.

[Rory]

Now you just stuck not only with a Girl that only likes you for money and you don't even like her physically.

[Clay]

Well, he got an option. He could say no, you know?

[Mal]

Yeah, true. He can.

[Rory]

I mean, he is an art dealer. This was 10 times in that clip. It's like, I probably get it. You sell art.

[Mal]

You do art.

[Damaris]

This was the clip.

[Rory]

Financially, like, very well off.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Like, I'm not trying to build an influencer career.

[Rory]

Like, I'm a rich art dude.

[Damaris]

Like, yeah.

[Rory]

Like, I grew up. Like, I grew up. I went to a country club.

[Damaris]

I went to private school. My college was paid for. I'm incredibly financial.

[Mal]

I know that. I know that type of guy.

[Rory]

But I'm also, like, I'm incredibly financially. Look, I would much rather have my problem than the problem of lack of money. It's a really great lucky problem to have. But I also.

[Damaris]

It's scary because, like, oftentimes a girl may want me.

[Rory]

Like, because, like, does she just want me because she knows I'm, like, an art dealer and that, like, I have.

[Damaris]

Like, money and, like, I grew up. Right. That 30 second clip was him every single time he was on screen.

[Rory]

That's the only clip I saw because it was viral on Twitter. I. Judging by his personality, that's the only thing a woman should want you for.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, you seem like a very boring fucking person. And that's not fair because it's a 30 second clip. But you're saying if he brought this up the entire time. Yeah. Why wouldn't a woman just want you for your money? That's all you fucking talk about.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Clay]

Hey, when you don't got the game, sometimes you gotta overcompensate, you know? So, like, at the end of the day, like, y'all gotta understand, this is a do or die. Like, if you don't got a connection, your ass is off the show. So I'm not mad at Leo for letting the dudes know, like, yo, listen, I got money. I'm richer than y'all. And I'm telling my baby girl, who's a groupie, that I got the money and this is my way of getting it. Cause he made it with Brittany. Now, you know, it didn't go as planned when she seen him. Cause, you know, you gotta put the face to the mouth. You know what I'm saying, Paul? So, you know, but, you know, it worked. He got engaged.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

You know, so Rory, they got engaged. And then, you know, after all the engagements, they do the honeymoon trip. Well, not the honeymoon, whatever. They do the trip.

[Rory]

As someone that's Financially. Amazing.

[Damaris]

They called it off. Before they called it off, they went to Miami together. Did you?

[Clay]

He said he did because of our Basil. Our Basil? Yes. Good point. Well, our Basil actually could actually work because. Yeah. Our Basil is in December, right?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

What's your strategy, though? If you're scared women only want you for your money, so let's take away looks.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But they can't see you in the pod, and all you're talking about is your money.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So now you're putting yourself in a situation where literally no woman would want you except for the thing you fear the most.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

Like, they may like that cut. Like, find a girl that finds you attractive.

[Mal]

Yeah. But you got to remember, at the end of the day, a lot of these guys are still going. This is what the type of guy he is outside of the pot. These are conversations he's having. This is how he talks to women. This is the conversation he has once he's on a date with a woman. He's letting her know what he does, his family inheritance, things like that. He's doing the same thing in the pod. But that's what I'm saying. A lot of these guys, you know, when they're away from the pods, they don't really have that type of connection with a woman that looks like Britney. Like, Leo probably never spoke to a woman like Brittany unless he was talking about money off the top. Because Brittany is the type of girl off the top. She walk in the room, you're gonna know, like, she's. She's not here for.

[Clay]

Yeah, play, play.

[Mal]

She's getting right to the bag.

[Rory]

He's used to just whatever girl the promoter in Miami introduces him to.

[Mal]

Yeah, exactly.

[Rory]

And they can't even hear each other over the music.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

You know, we know why she's there.

[Mal]

So, Clay, which couple? Which couple? When you were watching it, which couple did you automatically say? I want them to go all the way.

[Clay]

Tyler and Ashley. For sure.

[Mal]

Tyler and Ashley.

[Clay]

Yeah. So I don't care what the allegations is. I was team Tyler. Team not allegations.

[Rory]

Wait, wait, wait. What are the allegations?

[Damaris]

There's DNA. There's children involved. There's people.

[Mal]

Yeah. There's, like, kids.

[Damaris]

Three of them.

[Rory]

Wait, hold on. Can you guys give me a backstory on what the allegations are?

[Clay]

So, apparently, Tyler has three kids. He said he claimed on the show that they were sperm babies and that he has. They don't know what he looks like.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Clay]

That kind of has been debunked by TikTok. The baby mama has came out and said that no, Tyler, he did do a sperm. I think he was a sperm donor for the first child. But the second ones was natural and they're twins. Tyler said that they don't know what the kids look like. There's pictures of him holding the kids and smiling, so. Don't look good. It don't look good.

[Rory]

Oh, wait, so he's like the sperm God from Netflix? The guy that was women in grocery stores and shit after.

[Damaris]

Well, I would not say he's that.

[Clay]

Yeah, but that guy, not that bad.

[Rory]

But with a lot of families. He was a sperm donor on the first one and the second one. He was everyone's wife.

[Mal]

So my, my, my, my assess assessment of Tyler in the beginning first episode was spot on. I said, tyler is definitely a fuck boy. He has red suede shoes with a red jacket. He's literally a red flag. So I was right. Cause any man that's gonna say that kids don't. They've never seen him or he's never seen them. And then pictures come out of you holding the kids. Like, come on, you don't have to lie about that. That's a terrible thing to lie.

[Rory]

Why? Like, what's your strategy there? If you actually wanna go find love, you're just never gonna see your kids again.

[Clay]

I mean, here's the strategy.

[Rory]

Keep this lie up with the girl that you're marrying.

[Clay]

Here's the strategy, right? And I'm trying to think for Tyler, right? Cause he in this game for love and marriage. He see Ashley, he know if he dropped down and Ashley let her know that he got three kids off the rip, he not going to make it out the pods. You know, Tyler needs. Tyler needs Ashley to see what he look like. He need to lay the pipe down. He need to secure the bag.

[Mal]

That's fuck boy shit.

[Clay]

It is fuck boy shit.

[Mal]

You're lying about having children. There's nothing worse than a man now also too.

[Clay]

What if he didn't want to talk about that on camera?

[Rory]

And then when Ashley finds out, do you think she's like, yo, I really got to know. She did find out, guy for lying about your kids.

[Clay]

Well, that's why. That's why I'm giving him slack. Because she did find out and she still married him. And it seemed like that, but the.

[Damaris]

Story that she found out is not the actual truth. She found out that he had three kids. He said they were all via ivf, which is not true. Only one was ivf. The two, he, the girl and had twins.

[Clay]

Did you see the Girl, I know why he said that. He ain't her naturally.

[Rory]

A lot of guys do hide their first saying.

[Mal]

You didn't. A girl naturally is hilarious. What is natural? What is unnaturally? Like, this is. How do you. Unnaturally.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Nutting in a supermarket and then putting it inside a woman's vagina in the parking lot.

[Mal]

It's.

[Rory]

It's documented.

[Damaris]

But then he also built this whole story that he's like, they don't know who I like. I'm not in their lives. Like, the girl and I are like, we're friends. He did it. It was. He was framing it. It's like, yeah, I did her a favor, but I don't with her.

[Mal]

Is this. Is this the girl?

[Clay]

Yeah, that's her.

[Damaris]

So this was her addressing saying, like, he's full of.

[Mal]

That's.

[Rory]

Yeah. Oh, she looks like a stud.

[Mal]

Oh, she's a student. Wait, Damaris is stud offensive. Okay, so she is. She's a stud. Okay.

[Rory]

I thought stud was a compliment.

[Clay]

I'll just be seeing what Juice could be posting. He says stud, so I'm like, if he ain't getting canceled, we should be good.

[Mal]

Like, yo, if Drew Ski could say it, we should say it.

[Clay]

It. That boy Juice Key everywhere.

[Rory]

I mean, I guess I. I see for reality TV to lie in that regard, but.

[Mal]

Yeah, lying kids is crazy, though.

[Rory]

This looks even weirder now, though.

[Clay]

The only thing, man, I just don't understand why, like, when men do. Do these type of shows, like, women just be, like, chomping at the bis to expose someone. Like, you know, I mean, he came out, he did, you know, make that lie. But, like, the amount of people who. Who literally try to expose that lie is crazy.

[Rory]

Can we go back to accountability, though? Because I. I saw it happen with you, but look at the people you were choosing to be around. They are the exposers.

[Clay]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

You can't be mad when a habitual exposer exposes you for fucking them.

[Clay]

Yeah, yeah. Well, well, well. Getting head. Nah, nah.

[Mal]

Fuck. Yeah.

[Rory]

Listen, man, we won't want to say her name, but, yeah, I was. I was rooting for y'all.

[Clay]

No, no, I believed in love.

[Rory]

And when that.

[Clay]

Please don't and Maul, man, I don't know. I saw that episode. Next episode, I'm like, what the heck did she show you to make the convince you so badly?

[Mal]

But we talking about.

[Clay]

Yeah, that situation.

[Rory]

I don't care.

[Clay]

The Baltimore.

[Mal]

Okay, okay.

[Rory]

I have no beef.

[Mal]

Yeah. What is she.

[Damaris]

Because she DM'd you mall.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Oh, my gosh.

[Damaris]

Oh, he.

[Mal]

I was gonna say, no, no, no, because she. Her first DM to me. She was cursing me out.

[Clay]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think you said she jumped in cursing me out. I was like, yeah.

[Mal]

I was like, I didn't disrespect you or nothing like that.

[Rory]

You say me for?

[Mal]

Yeah, me like me. But then she snowed. Everything got cool, and we were having a conversation, and then she was basically like, yo, Clay is a fucking liar. We definitely hooked up. We was doing a lot of that shit just for social media, TikTok, shit like that. But we definitely, like, kicked it. Had a good time. We definitely had sex. I was like, oh, okay.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Then she, you know, she went on to show pictures of y'all just kind of like, you know, hanging out, hugging in the elevator. I'm like, okay, these are a couple pictures when it's a mirror and y'all stand in front of the mirror and kind of, like, take a picture of the mirror.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Mal]

You kind of show where love is headed. I think that's what y'all.

[Clay]

Where love was headed for a night. Yeah, I feel that inspiration, like, it's.

[Rory]

Motivational purposes only, just to show y'all what love could look like.

[Mal]

This is what love looks like. You know, me.

[Rory]

And I was on the side, like, after everything. And when Ma showed me that shit, I felt like, yes, you guys were doing that for social media, but you also beat, too. I thought both. I thought both. Both things were true.

[Mal]

Yeah, why not?

[Clay]

Yeah, I feel that.

[Mal]

Yeah, listen, man. Yo, that's me.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's judgment free zone. I have bodies I'm taking to the grave. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get it. It's no judgments over here.

[Clay]

I just. Man, it's just like, dang, man. Like, I type in my name on TikTok. It's just all that stuff. It's just like, God damn. Like, bro had it happen.

[Rory]

That's what I'm saying. What you thought was going to expose her and think she's not going to expose.

[Clay]

I thought I was going to release and move on.

[Mal]

Release? Is that the word your therapist told you to just release and move on.

[Clay]

Release and move on. And, you know, we collided and I go like, cool. She cool as hell. She's a cool ass person. Like, I don't want to lie. You know what I mean? I just like, I was like, a little bit like, damn, Selena, you that thirsty for some clout like you, you already got it. Like, why you gotta.

[Rory]

Clay. Yes.

[Mal]

Yes.

[Rory]

Are you not. Are you not familiar with her game?

[Mal]

Yes.

[Clay]

See, I wasn't at, like, not all the way until it happened. And then, trust me, the Internet made me familiar. They sent me DMs of her. They were like, this the girl you effing? And they got. They got in, like, Adam 22, butthole and shit. I'm like, bro, I wasn't doing none of that shit. Why y'all send me this?

[Mal]

So then you butthole.

[Rory]

At that point, I would never search my name again because only Adam's butthole would show up.

[Clay]

Yeah, I was getting DMs of people screenshot. Like, this is what you. This is what you want to bring home to your mother?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, bro, they were just concerned fans.

[Clay]

I sleep with whores sometimes, bro.

[Mal]

It happens, man. It happens. It's all good.

[Rory]

My mom's met a few horse.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Clay]

You know, my mom don't meet the whores. But I told you already, I like promiscuous women. So I got to maybe kind of.

[Mal]

We figured that out.

[Clay]

Yeah. Yeah. I got to talk that out. You know, even my therapist said it's cool, you know, that I like it and stuff like that. I just got to go about it, you know, from a different way. You know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

So there's a lot of just promiscuous women that don't care if you don't take pictures together.

[Mal]

That. Yeah, there's a lot of promises that.

[Damaris]

Aren'T in the game.

[Mal]

Yeah. Like, you can find the whole lot of headaches.

[Clay]

See, I'm. And I'm. And I don't do a good job of finding the ones that's not in the game.

[Damaris]

I kind of like, they won't put themselves out there. Yeah, you got to, like, do a little more. It's like an archaeologist, I think, a.

[Rory]

Way higher promiscuous women that don't share anything, to be honest.

[Mal]

A lot of them.

[Clay]

That would be ideal.

[Rory]

95% of them are like that.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Mal]

They don't want their business out there.

[Clay]

And. And that's the ones I need be permissible, you know, that's the ones that I need, you know, because it's hard finding one that, like, the closeted ones, you know what I'm saying? Because I feel like when I find, like, a closet girl, she's just a regular good girl. Just be whack, man. And. And I be saying, so many women coming up, and me like, oh, like the type of women you like, this is a disgrace. I'm like, I don't. I would never talk to a Girl like you, this gets boring as hell.

[Rory]

You're missionary as.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah. It's giving.

[Clay]

Just missionary. God.

[Rory]

All right, I get it. Yeah. We didn't have to go down that path. Let's reset back to.

[Damaris]

I want to focus to everyone involved. I want to focus on Nick and Hannah. Clay, what did you think of this? This to me, was the most exhausting couple. As the. As the show evolved and moved outside of the pods, they became really tough to watch on screen for me, 100.

[Rory]

Can I interject before. What is it with love? Love is Blind. I don't think I'm aging that gracefully. So pardon me, but why do all the 20 year olds on Love is Blind look like they're 40? Everyone is like 24 years old. I'm like, you are 1000% 41.

[Clay]

Hannah actually lost some weight. She looked a little better than. Yeah, she got on his.

[Rory]

Everybody medical device sales. She's.

[Mal]

Well, she's pretty.

[Rory]

She's getting high in her own supply.

[Damaris]

No, she lost a shit ton of weight.

[Clay]

She did my own thing about Hannah is that she was just acting like she was too hot on that show, bro.

[Rory]

That's the same person.

[Clay]

Same person. Yeah. She lost a lot of weight.

[Rory]

Yeah, I like.

[Clay]

I like.

[Rory]

I like Chunky.

[Damaris]

She hit up her medical plugs.

[Clay]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Damaris]

The problem with Hannah was Nick. Look, I think it's safe to say Nick. Nick was a mama's boy. Lived in his parents basement. His mom did his laundry, cleaned for him, took care of him his whole life until the minute he went on the show. There was one scene where she asked Nick to boil pasta and he didn't know how to. He couldn't boil water.

[Mal]

Yeah, well, he's a. He's a. He's an athlete, right? Is he a kicker or something?

[Damaris]

College. Yeah.

[Clay]

He's got a lot of things handed to him.

[Damaris]

Yeah. But the thing with Hannah was she's very much. She's very quick to dish it out.

[Rory]

College. Was he a kicker at like, let's not just throw athlete on everybody.

[Mal]

Like, that's what he said.

[Rory]

He said if he was a kicker at lsu, that's. That's an athlete.

[Clay]

But like, yeah, probably like Fable. I don't know.

[Damaris]

Like, I don't think he went too far from home ever. So. So whatever is nearby njit, though.

[Rory]

NJIT is crazy. Being a kicker for NJIT is hilarious.

[Clay]

Stony Brooks like that Wagner.

[Mal]

Yo, don't do that.

[Clay]

Wagner, my man.

[Mal]

Coach at Wagner. We not doing that.

[Clay]

I'm sorry. Sorry, sorry. D. They D1 Wagner D1.

[Damaris]

They D1 for sure. Hannah was extremely bossy and was very. She would insult him a lot, but she. As soon as Nick turned it on her, cuz, remember, she left her job for this show, and he. He made a joke about her being unemployed, and she unloaded on him, love him, handle it.

[Mal]

So, yeah, I like that.

[Clay]

Hannah does not respect Nick as a man. Is clear. She belittles him all the time.

[Damaris]

She said you said she made him a man.

[Clay]

She said she made him a man. And they only know each other for three weeks. She said, the man you are today is because of me, gang.

[Rory]

Because he boiled the pot.

[Damaris]

Boil water now.

[Clay]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mal]

I made you the man you are. I've known you for two. Sunday.

[Clay]

I knew for two seconds, bro. She get insecure. Nick get a little attention from another woman. She over here just like.

[Mal]

Yeah, but see, now she lost that weight. She gonna start dressing a little different.

[Rory]

They gonna slide in the DMs.

[Clay]

No, I'm not. I'm not. Because Nick.

[Rory]

Not to mentor her.

[Clay]

No, no, no, no. Because Nick said that he. I don't know if you saw this, Julian, but Nick said that he don't be eating Hannah's cat. You know what I'm saying? And I said this on.

[Mal]

Well, he's not Haitian.

[Clay]

What you mean he not Haitian? Haitian, dudes.

[Rory]

He wasn't mad at the shot at all. That's a good shot.

[Clay]

Oh, damn. I might have missed that. That joke went right over my head.

[Mal]

Don't worry about it. Let it go.

[Rory]

Yeah, but Trump will go after the Guyanese population soon. Don't worry.

[Clay]

Oh, no. I don't even want to talk.

[Rory]

Who knows what's in pepper pot.

[Mal]

But he said he's not. He said he's not eating.

[Clay]

So she went on social media, said that, oh, he don't eat the cat. And he. And then Nick said, for that special or for somebody, I will pretty much indicating that he ain't eating your cat. But he will for the right person.

[Rory]

He won't eat his wife's pussy, but he'll eat somebody else's.

[Clay]

Well, that gives me a good indication. That's not his wife. That's his engagement. Whenever I see a guy who says he eat vagina but he not willing to eat your vagina, it's only two things. Yeah, it got a bad reek.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Clay]

Or.

[Rory]

Ah, okay.

[Clay]

Or it just. She ain't even getting him enticed to do it.

[Mal]

He's not into you like that.

[Clay]

You know what I'm saying? He not into it like that. So, you know, so. So, no, I'm not sliding Hannah DMs. Cause that was a clear indicator that it ain't popping.

[Damaris]

Also a scene that I think it.

[Rory]

Looks like if Andrew Schultz decided to become a school shooter.

[Clay]

That's her brother.

[Damaris]

So that's her brother. Oh, I thought that was her very, very gay brother.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

What bothered me is they did the pasta scene. They had her brother over. They did a dinner, whatever. And then they go. He went home, the brother. And then the next scene with Hannah is Hannah with her father, her mom. And then they're like, the little white boy's son. They're their new son. And I was like, oh, it's very clear to me that the parents wrote off this kid. They never want to speak to him again because they're like, drink milk at the dinner table. They're super religious and gay is wrong. So they literally just wrote this kid out of their life. So then Nick comes in and meets the rest of her family, and it's as if, like, nothing. They don't even mention the sun. Like, there's no talk about anything. It's like, here's our little white kid that loves football, like, in baseball, and he's gonna be a white straight man. Like, it was just very odd to me that they just pretended like this scene never happened. And they're like, here's Hannah's real family.

[Clay]

Yeah, it's probably the way they probably met Hannah's family before the scene with the brother. They just do a lot of weird stuff with the editing. So I didn't. I didn't look too deep into that. But did you see the table? Did you see the conversation where Hannah had with her friends when they were grilling Nick?

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah.

[Clay]

To me, that was nasty. Yeah, that was nasty work. You know what I'm saying?

[Mal]

Was that editing, though? Cause it felt like he may have met them already.

[Clay]

I'm not sure. I might need to holla at Nick.

[Rory]

And see what were they grilling him about.

[Clay]

Pretty much Hannah just saying that, you know, Nick just needs to step up as a man. He's been 10 days, pretty. Yeah, I know it's been 10 days. It's like she pretty much saying that he needs to just pretty much step up, you know? And they were kind of drilling him, like, hey, if Hannah's the girl that you want to marry, you need to do all these things. Which in hindsight seems well. But I thought it was a little unfair how the conversation went. Cause they just met him, and they grilling him on being a man. And to me, bro, it's like, if I'm meeting your friends for the first time and I'm getting drilled on being a man, it's like, what conversations you having when I'm not here, you know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

I agree with that because she definitely walked in and told her family, he can't even boil water.

[Clay]

Yeah, she shits on him all the time. And I thought it was crazy that she came on camera and talking to her castmates, talking about, nick, don't eat her vagina on camera. And Nick told her, I don't want to talk about the sexual stuff on camera. I just want to keep it, you know, keep that thing tuck. And she all willy nilly, talking about Nick Johnson. Nick don't eat, you know, vagina. So I don't know, I got. I'm a little.

[Rory]

I feel her, though. I feel like that would be a red flag.

[Clay]

Yeah. I mean, I feel that if I was.

[Rory]

If I got engaged through a pod and met a girl the next day and found out she didn't suck dick, I'd. Yeah, I'd have some problems.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I don't know if I'd like bring it up around like the fellas and my parents, but.

[Clay]

Yeah, let me go ahead and tell the whole world.

[Rory]

But I mean, I'll be honest, that's. That's a deal breaker even. Even for a soulmate?

[Mal]

Well, yeah, I mean, sexual chemistry has to be there.

[Rory]

That's not sexual chemistry.

[Mal]

That's just like.

[Clay]

Yeah, it's like duties. Yeah, that's.

[Rory]

You need to do, I'll eat pussy, you suck dick.

[Clay]

Yeah, but I gotta tell you, pretty.

[Rory]

Much one on one when it comes to this.

[Clay]

But, but women just be having that little bit messed up. Cause they be like, oh, he don't eat vagina. Stuff like that. It is true. Some men are not eating your vagina. Yeah, you need to get some work done. You need to clean it over a little bit. Like, I don't want to have no type of pinch, no nothing. And some. A lot of women do, you know, so sometimes I go, I have intercourse with a girl before I even. I'm not doing an oral from the first rip, you know what I'm saying? Unless you just looking delicious as hell, like, and smelling delicious and smelling delicious and stuff like that. But then even that, you know what I'm saying? You gotta kind of get a little bit going, kind of smell that whiff of air. And they're like, all right, cool, this Is a good vibe when you get that whiff of air and it smell like a little pinch of boho. Oh, no.

[Mal]

I mean, he said this was a good vibe.

[Rory]

I love that he called it intercourse too. I'm eating pussy out the gate.

[Clay]

I don't really care, really.

[Mal]

What game, what gate are you at?

[Rory]

Gate A. The Heineken gate at MetLife out the gate.

[Mal]

What gate are you coming out of, man?

[Clay]

Yeah, hey, you know that there's some that be eating, like, you might as well.

[Mal]

Yeah, I know a few.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah, that.

[Clay]

Yo, I went to the Strip Club 135 this past weekend.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Clay]

You know, you get the VIP dance for $100. These girls, they trying you. They trying to let you eat their vagina. I'm like, whoa, baby girl, you've been dancing all night. Get that out my face, bro.

[Damaris]

You're eight hours in.

[Rory]

I'm a. I'm a nasty person.

[Mal]

Eating vagina. That's on the clock is crazy. She's on the clock now.

[Rory]

Eating a stripper's in the room is next level.

[Mal]

That's what I'm saying. I laugh at that type of. Cuz it's like, that's kind of like that horny. Like, how are y'all that horny?

[Rory]

That's some predator to me.

[Mal]

That is insane, man. You need to go, like, you need to go to church, man. Anybody that's eating in the strip club, go to church, man.

[Rory]

And that's not even like a thing because I think strippers are actually some of them, the cleaner women, because they have to, like, really pay attention to a lot of them.

[Mal]

It depends on where you're at.

[Clay]

But yeah, it depends.

[Mal]

Shaking ass to pay some bills.

[Rory]

So I'm not judging the strippers. I like those eating in the strip club.

[Mal]

Yeah, like, how you that horny, sir? In the strip club, you couldn't get a number and then come back at like 5am and pick up.

[Clay]

Sometimes you gotta learn what that mouth do so she could come back, you know, Got a client for life.

[Mal]

Yeah, but that's.

[Damaris]

Got a client for life in the.

[Mal]

In the strip club is crazy. That's. That's just. That's wild.

[Rory]

I'm too intimate and, like, too much of a lover. Even with.

[Clay]

Oh, you'd be going crazy in that room.

[Rory]

Like, if I were to eat, like, nah, I can't. And no judge, I could get my dick sucked to the strip club. I haven't, but I would.

[Clay]

I would too.

[Rory]

Well, not anymore. To eat. That's like a real. This Is an intimate moment.

[Damaris]

Then you also got to think about.

[Rory]

It, like, what couch are we doing this? Like, where am I eating?

[Damaris]

Putting your face on a strip club couch too.

[Mal]

Like, yeah, it is a la carte.

[Clay]

In the VIP room.

[Damaris]

That's sick too.

[Mal]

Marriage at a la couch.

[Clay]

Yeah, I like the strip clubs. That would be like $15 a dance and stuff like that. I'm like, oh, you. You girls got no standards. Spend $100. I'm having the time of my life in the airport.

[Mal]

I'm cleaning up. Is this couple still together? I like them.

[Clay]

Ramses and Marissa are not together. They actually had them. Probably the most dramatic breakup ever. Like, it was really sad. Marissa crashed out. She was so sad when they broke up.

[Damaris]

She should have gone as long as they did.

[Clay]

Yeah, Rams had.

[Damaris]

Well, so Rory, just so you're aware. So Marissa is an army brat. Like, grew up in the military, Went in the military herself. Like worked on a warships, all that stuff.

[Rory]

She's used to short term relationships. Not even romantically.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that's just like. But it's less about. That's just like her ideologically. Rams is. Is like a bleeding liberal. Like he.

[Rory]

I could not tell by his haircut.

[Damaris]

Yeah, he has one. Yeah, one feathered on his too, but.

[Mal]

What on his asshole?

[Clay]

It was a mic, bro. That was a mic strap. So they. They zoomed in. They looked like he had a thong on during his breakup. That was cr. That was. Oh, man, that was sick.

[Damaris]

I remember she's like crying, bawling her eyes. I was like, is this man wearing a thong?

[Mal]

That's why she was crying.

[Rory]

He looks like he would go on a trip with Tim Waltz to China for sure.

[Damaris]

So he doesn't own a shirt without five patterns. So he.

[Rory]

Take it out. Peach.

[Clay]

Yeah, please. My reaction to some of this stuff. Please take it out.

[Rory]

Take that out.

[Clay]

I don't want to be looped.

[Rory]

That was hilarious.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but he was like, very much on the side of, I can't be with someone that likes the military. Basically. He's like. It was. He made it very clear that he's like, fuck the US army, this country.

[Mal]

So everything that she did and she stood for.

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah, basically. And she's like, well, what if I ever want to get back into the service? He's like, I wouldn't be cool with that. And then their whole thing, they were very open and honest about talking about how much they. And all they talked about for half of the show was sex, sex, sex, sex. Every time they were around the other cast members it was like, we have sex. Because they're like, clearly, the people that don't do that, they look like the.

[Mal]

Couple that have sex. Yeah.

[Damaris]

Like, you know what I mean? So. And then at one point, she was like, well, she's like, well, look, I'm not trying to get pregnant, but I don't want to get on birth control, so you might have to just strap up. And he said, that's not happening.

[Rory]

I went in with some judgments. I apologize. I like your style. Wow.

[Mal]

I wasn't familiar with your game, sir. Okay, but.

[Rory]

All right. Where do you draw the line with that occupation thing? Because I have issues with the military as well, but not with specific soldiers. Like, yeah, at that point, the girl that's selling medical supplies, like, fuck, Big Pharma. I'm gonna stop dating you because you work in the medical field.

[Clay]

I don't know. He was really. Gun. Hold on. That military stuff, that's the only thing with Ramses I didn't really typically understand, but, man, he was a cold. He was a cold dude. He told her, like, yo, the. This is not gonna work if I cannot hit that pussy raw. If I can hit that raw, bro. It is a rat.

[Rory]

That had. Had nothing to do with the Air Force.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Rory]

He just didn't want to wear a condom.

[Clay]

No, he didn't want to wear a condom. I think that that was probably the biggest thing, because she said that. Hey, like, I'm either. I don't want to get on birth control. You need to. What's it called when the men pull out? Oh, well, not that. Because they were apparently doing that.

[Damaris]

Vasectomy.

[Clay]

Vasectomy. He didn't want to do that, and he didn't want to put on condoms. I recommend that Ramses should probably go to lambskin condoms. It's a little bit more realistic into that feel. He's probably had bad.

[Rory]

I'm sure he's vegan.

[Clay]

Yeah, I'm sure.

[Rory]

I'm sure he can't do that.

[Clay]

He probably can't do that. Yeah, that's a good point.

[Rory]

Look at his haircut. He's definitely vegan.

[Clay]

He cut it. He cut it now, man. But he's getting ripped to shreds right now on the Internet. They're calling him Clay Point 2, and I'm gonna say Ramses. Rams ain't Clay Point 2. He ain't take it as far as me. Right.

[Mal]

He ain't really get your shit off.

[Clay]

But listen, I like Ramses a lot. You know, they call him sweet and all that stuff. I just Think Ramses is one of them dudes that could get multiple women. He could get the anime girls, the Asian girls, the white girls, the black girls. He just got a style for everything.

[Mal]

All right, Clay, what about Tim and Alex?

[Clay]

Tim and Alex, I don't think they were ever compatible. I feel like Tim trauma dumps a lot, you know, and that's probably in the pods. You in there, it's real intimate and it could be really emotional, you away from your phone and stuff like that. So it's easy to like, really kind of feel for somebody's sob story. And Tim was doing a lot of trauma dumping. You know, them trauma dumping niggas, they real good in the beginning, but in the end, it don't really kind of like last for the longest.

[Rory]

But continue with the trauma and place it on other people.

[Clay]

Place it on people. Yeah, go ahead, June.

[Rory]

It was like, Alex is fine. She looked like our type.

[Clay]

Alex is fine. She is a good looking woman. And she lost a little weight too, right? Yeah, she's super pretty.

[Damaris]

It was like their first four dates, they. I remember it got to the point where every time they were on screen, they were crying.

[Clay]

And I was like, yeah, damn.

[Damaris]

All their dates are sad as even on the proposal. I mean, I get it. It's like happy tears. But, like, he can't. It sucks because, like, what happened is he lost his sister and then he lost his other sister. They both passed. And he has like these totems that he carries. He has this necklace with rings that they had that he wears. And then he actually gave a bracelet of theirs to Alex. And it was like everything he did was seemed to be like, in remembrance of his sisters. And that just became like his whole thing.

[Rory]

His identity in the show is based off.

[Mal]

Yeah, based off him being hurt and grieving and, you know, looking to just be, you know, with somebody that loves him and could help him heal and things like that.

[Rory]

Like, I think it's unfortunate that people like that go through trauma like that. Dealing with your partner is kind of up because I feel like partners get shamed for not being on every step of your trauma and being there. You look like a bad person. That shit is exhausting sometimes having to deal with other people's trauma.

[Clay]

Yeah, it is.

[Rory]

And it's fucked up to say because we have to make sure everyone that has trauma is handled with care and everything is cool. You have to be there as a supportive partner. But that shit is exhausting. Yeah, everybody got their own shit too.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So I. I feel like we need to get away from the stigma of saying, hey, I can't deal with someone with that much trauma. You should work on that and then maybe we can date. Because I'm not gonna sit here and do this even if I love you.

[Clay]

Like, yeah, ruining everything. And I definitely don't think Alex was prepped to kind of deal with Tim. But, I mean, I think their issues wasn't really the trauma dumping. It was just. I don't think Alex really liked Tim. I don't know, Julian. You could correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like when they got out of the pods, it just wasn't that connection. Like this dude, his parents drove down to meet Alex. This girl gonna take a nap while her parents are there. It's like her apartment looking crazy. She ain't even care to, like, show this man the way she living. Like, I would have been like, nah, production, you gotta come the next day. She showed this apartment, apartment looked crazy. So I kind of get why Tim is fed. Tim probably had an expectation, like, this is gonna be my wife. And, you know, just Alex. Not that you know Alex. Alex, I could tell she out there in U Street. She used to talking to them niggas in D.C. and Tim, Tim like, that.

[Rory]

Specific to U Street.

[Mal]

Alex on U Street. She out on U Street.

[Clay]

She on U Street. She had Rose Ball. Alex at Rose Bar right now, actually.

[Mal]

Love me at Rose Bar.

[Rory]

Oh, man.

[Damaris]

The shitty thing was he.

[Rory]

Great memories.

[Mal]

You're.

[Damaris]

I think Clay's right in that. In that regard. I think, like, outside of the pods, she wasn't the person that Tim needed her. But then what sucks, what made Tim ultimately, I think look like a bad guy is Alex's father has Ms. And also trauma bonding. Well, you would think, but he has the conversation. Asks for a dad's hand in marriage, and he's the dad's, you know, super supportive. And to the best that he can be, he's still communicative and he gives his blessing. And then like, the next scene, like, the next time we see them together, he's like, yeah, nah, this is. And he's like, I never want to see you again. Don't talk to me.

[Clay]

Which is edited.

[Damaris]

He straight up said, I would be okay if I don't see you again, you know?

[Clay]

Well, you know, Julian, you forgetting.

[Rory]

Can't really edit that.

[Clay]

You're forgetting a big part, though.

[Damaris]

So.

[Clay]

In Mexico, she put her hands on him. She put her hands. And she put her hands on his mouth. So he had already a conversation with her, letting her know that like, yo, you. I don't deal with that type of stuff. You don't put your hands on me. You raise your voice. The way you communicate is real toxic. I'm not really feeling that. He gave her, like, it was, like, the first strike. And I'm sure she had other strikes. Another strike was she fell asleep while his parents were there. They drove from Augusta, Georgia, to D.C. you know, I might be a little heated, too, if my parents come down and meet you to do this whole experiment, and now you just fall asleep. And so I think that Tim was a little bit fed up. And when he had that conversation a little turned off, he looked turned off. You know, maybe he should have told Alex before to let him know what was going down. But it seemed like it was completely. She didn't know what was about to happen. He just broke up with her right on camera. It seemed a little cold.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Clay]

But he did seem fed up.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Clay]

You know, and I'm sure that. That Netflix did not give that side of the story. Of all the reasons why he was fed up, because for him to go in that room and not even want to work it out, it seemed like there was. Whatever happened behind the scenes. Yeah, it was over.

[Rory]

She from PG county, man. Just trying to think of the hands on the mouth thing.

[Clay]

Yeah. Like, what were you from. Right. Bowie. Bowie girl do that.

[Rory]

Girls in PG county, too.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Mal]

All right, so the reunion is. The reunion is next week.

[Clay]

No, it's this. This.

[Mal]

This week.

[Clay]

Wednesday tomor.

[Mal]

Oh, tomorrow. If you're listening now. The reunion is tomorrow. What are you looking forward to at the reunion?

[Clay]

The reunion I'm looking forward to, actually. Tim and Alex, you know, he said that he never wants to see her again, so I'm assuming that next time he sees her is at the reunion. Contractually, that should be. Yeah, exactly right. That should be entertaining to see them. You know, I'm gonna be interested. They sit next to each other, too. Cause, like, how hard can you go if the person, like, right next to you and stuff like that, you know? But it seemed like they little dv, so it might be, you know, interesting.

[Mal]

Might slap the shit off.

[Clay]

She might slap him. You know what I'm saying? I'm interested to see Tyler, actually. You know, Tyler's been getting a lot of slack online. I want to see, you know, how.

[Mal]

You holding Tyler down. It sounds like you. You holding them down.

[Clay]

I'm holding Tyler down because, you know, at the end of the day, man, we don't know them kids. And I think that the Internet should. I think that. I think, for real, though, we don't know them kids. And I think the Internet this. I'm not saying them kids because them kids got a life.

[Rory]

But what were you saying?

[Clay]

We would never. We would never know them kids.

[Rory]

If he's holding the kids in a photo.

[Damaris]

Same logic as saying, I don't know STD because I haven't gotten tested. Like, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You're just ignoring them.

[Clay]

Wait, listen, listen. All I know is I've seen Black Love and I'm seeing the Internet trying to go against that. So I'm only just vouching because I'm watching the Love is Blind. I ain't watching the Tyler show. I'm watching Love is Blind. And what they are displaying is a beautiful marriage. I understand that people try to expose your whole lifestyle. I don't know what he got edited. I don't know what he said he might have gave.

[Mal]

As somebody. As somebody that went through it, you understand how things can be edited out. But if he did indeed embellish some of the, you know, the reality around the kids, you got to see how that's fucked up.

[Clay]

I do, I do. And a couple Twitter being mad that.

[Rory]

He lied about three kids is not going against Black Love. It's going against Tyler.

[Clay]

Yeah, it is, it is, it is. But, you know, you know, I know Ashley, and I want her to have, like a. I want her to be happy. And I'm just saying, like, it seems like Ashley is still holding Tyler down. So if she's holding him down all this time. They filmed this a year ago. She's still holding him down. It's a reason. Like, he probably told her off camera. And that's what I'm saying. Like, I don't think he's obligated to tell the world his whole situation. You know what I'm saying? So, like, that's the only reason I'm kind of giving him. Because the way how I'm seeing Ashley going hard for him. Ashley, I know Ashley. She's not no dumb girl, bro. She not like no gullible girl. Like, she got niggas before this. She got her shit together. So it's like, if Ashley could listen to this man and forgive him and still go ahead with the marriage, then we know. I'm not a judge, you know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

Well, have you talked to Ashley, like, privately about the entire situation?

[Clay]

I haven't talked to her privately about the situation just because I know she under strict NDA. And I don't want her to, like, get into trouble or anything, but I thought it was really telling. She's been in the comments when people have been trying to, like, slander Tyler and she's defending him. I made a TikTok post where I defended Tyler, and she said, thank you. I appreciate what you said. So I just kind of read between the lines that they still together and they still rocking things. Good. It's a reason for work. Yep. Yep. It's a reason for it. So, you know, I'm not gonna put my black brother down. You know what I'm saying? I know it look bad, the optics look bad, but, you know, Tyler, you got a friend in me. You know what I'm saying? So I'm not sure if I'm the friend you want to have.

[Mal]

I'm not sure you're the friend.

[Rory]

You make this situation better, Clay.

[Mal]

I'm not sure you the friend he need, but I respect you putting that out there.

[Clay]

I got married friends, though, so if he needs some advice, I could pass him along.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Refer him to somebody that actually went through with marriage. Not you, man.

[Clay]

I could tell them how to deal with the haters.

[Rory]

A stepfather, somebody that has some experience here.

[Mal]

I respect Clay for that, but.

[Rory]

Yeah. Was there any newly single women out of the pods in this season that you could see yourself with being, like, an alumni and, you know, you.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Which girl did you see that? You was like, okay, I like her.

[Rory]

Like, damn, I wish I was in this season.

[Clay]

I don't know about you.

[Rory]

I would have left her on the altar for sure.

[Clay]

Ah, that's the thing. Like, I ain't seen nothing. I was like, I could go the full way with.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Clay]

Be honest with you.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah.

[Clay]

But who I could have a good time with. Yeah, for sure. And. And, you know, I. I like Alex. I think Alex looked good. I think, you know, you know, Ashley, the homie. She's definitely wifey material, but she's the homie. So she. If, you know.

[Mal]

The other Ashley was cute too, though. Ashley w. She's cute.

[Clay]

You know, she didn't get no screen time like that, but she's cute. You know, I seen a couple social media posts from Morgan. She look like she good?

[Mal]

She looked like she good.

[Clay]

Yeah. I seen Katie. Katie looks good. Yeah.

[Rory]

Wild shit he's seen.

[Mal]

But, like, personality, Clay, the personality. Did you like their personalities? Like, who was you attract?

[Clay]

I think me and Marissa will probably vibe out. She got a bubbly personality, I think. And, you know, I like high Pitched voices.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Clay]

For reasons.

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah, you know, yo, whatever. We didn't talk about that. But Monica and Steven.

[Mal]

Monica and Steven.

[Clay]

Oh, yeah. What they. They call him? Not just Stephen, Steven, Rory.

[Damaris]

So this. This guy basically grew up in like a very white, white, like we're white household. And then he did a DNA test and found out he's got workout Rory. He's got some black blood in them.

[Rory]

I did mine. I'm. I'm very pure European.

[Damaris]

Yeah. So unlike the driven snow, he was stomped on. So he did. He did some research. He went and got some books and then became like, you know, like a more like woke pro black person in his older years.

[Rory]

This was in the 10 days or like.

[Clay]

No, no, no.

[Mal]

He showed up to the show days, second date.

[Damaris]

He had a kenta cloth on.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

He was kneeling for the anthem.

[Mal]

Wait, my girl Black on day seven. He came out the poly.

[Rory]

We didn't land on rock landed on us.

[Mal]

Then he got the divincenzo haircut. We know you got to go get the divincenzo.

[Damaris]

But he. But he. He did this thing, Roy, when they were all together with the guys, like on that first trip in Mexico. And he was like, you know how much like. Like we could probably get from doing this?

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

And they were all like. I mean, did he know?

[Mal]

Remember trying to get married?

[Clay]

He did. In front of the married couples. He's like, there's girls gonna be in our DMs that's gonna want to suck our dick.

[Rory]

Why would we start with this couple? That's the wildest y'all said so far on the honeymoon, yo. You know how many we could get?

[Mal]

Yeah. So.

[Damaris]

So then he. He goes away on this. He goes to some sleep training thing.

[Rory]

I bet he did.

[Mal]

Sleep training. Yeah, I know.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Rory]

No, I have insomnia too. What's up?

[Damaris]

And Monaco is at home. And this is after the metro.

[Rory]

And that was like, when who was in the parking lot for. For five hours with a location?

[Clay]

Jeremy and. Oh, sorry, Sarah Ann.

[Damaris]

It's the same thing. Because he didn't come back that night. And he came back that night because he didn't sleep. And I guess he met someone.

[Mal]

He was reading his DMs there, and.

[Damaris]

The text messages between them were so. It was just so bad.

[Clay]

Yeah. Apparently he was telling the other girl that you don't do the things that my current fiance does. Like, I think he likes anal. And, you know, Monica wasn't going for the anal game, you know what I'm saying? But I would tell Steven, the eating.

[Rory]

Thing, I understand that's a deal break, but like, anal, you don't like.

[Clay]

You don't gotta do that.

[Rory]

You find like a soulmate and she doesn't do anal. Like, I think you're gonna be okay. I think he'll be okay.

[Mal]

Imagine your homeboy telling you he broke up with his girl. Like, yo, but what happened? I liked you. I thought y'all. Yo, she won't let me put it in her cake. Like, what?

[Rory]

That's my soulmate, but there's no anal, so I can't do that.

[Mal]

That's crazy. Leaving a girl because of that is wild.

[Clay]

Yeah. Yeah. Now, I don't have too much experience with the anal game, so I don't know how, like, crazy is making women go, but you know. You know, I don't know.

[Mal]

Clay said, I don't know how crazy it's making women go, but you know, I don't have no experience because I don't do that.

[Rory]

Cuz you was with one of the specialists. We'll keep that off, Mike.

[Clay]

No, no, no, no.

[Rory]

Not. Not Selena.

[Clay]

Oh, yeah, I know that. I know that, but, like, yeah, not even with her. I lost my virginity.

[Mal]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Clay]

I don't got that much.

[Mal]

I seen her work, bro, are you crazy?

[Damaris]

Way to put in the work.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's what he says about.

[Damaris]

He's working on himself.

[Mal]

Okay. Yeah. You still.

[Clay]

I'm getting better every day.

[Mal]

I got you. I got you. Okay.

[Rory]

Our last episode after we. We wrapped, Clay and I were having like, some real therapy type shit, like, becoming friends. And I was like, man, you gotta stop doing this shit. And then he brought up a certain woman that he went on vacation with. I was like, you know what? Nevermind. Fuck this therapy.

[Mal]

She's a legend.

[Rory]

Yeah, I get it, bro.

[Clay]

She's a legend.

[Rory]

I do the same thing.

[Clay]

And I know women are in my DMs all the time. They're like, you know, they can't take me serious with me dealing with her, but I just want to tell those women, you cannot even imagine what she does.

[Mal]

And no, you can't imagine.

[Rory]

You don't need to imagine.

[Damaris]

You can see it.

[Clay]

You can see it.

[Rory]

Oh, what a queen.

[Clay]

But it's different experiencing it. And yeah, you. You are feeling like, what a queen. You are feeling like that. Like.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Clay]

Listen and shout out to Will.

[Rory]

All my therapy. I understand, man.

[Damaris]

Thing.

[Clay]

It's a known thing. I. I type my stuff on Tik Tok. I like, look, I'm.

[Mal]

Oh, so they know.

[Clay]

Oh, yeah, yeah. The world know I was with Willow.

[Rory]

Okay. All right.

[Mal]

Bet. Oh, yeah.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I didn't want to snitch.

[Damaris]

More than welcome to come up here anytime you want.

[Rory]

Hell, yeah.

[Mal]

Willow Rider.

[Clay]

Willow Rider.

[Mal]

Not Willow. Out of respect.

[Rory]

Who would.

[Mal]

I don't know. The Internet is crazy. You never know. They might try to think that. Listen, man, we just can make it clear. Willow Ryder.

[Clay]

I'm good with the speculations. Let them think what they want to think.

[Rory]

Willow, we got fans up here.

[Mal]

Oh, man. Willow, if you are ever in the tri state area and you need anywhere to just come and talk, you're always welcome.

[Clay]

Maybe me and Willow come back and do a sit down with y'all. You know, that would be so much fun.

[Rory]

Yeah, that'd be hilarious.

[Mal]

We'll go put that on Patreon, though.

[Clay]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We gotta debunk the, you know, the sex work worker perception. You know what I'm saying?

[Mal]

I know a few sex workers that are really cool. Super cool. Really, really cool. Yeah.

[Rory]

But she. I feel like she's not even acting in some of those. Those films.

[Mal]

Oh, no, she's not acting.

[Rory]

She seems like a cool chick.

[Mal]

Like. Yeah.

[Clay]

Super down to earth.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Clay]

Really sweet girl.

[Rory]

Comes across on camera. I'm not even trying to be funny.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Personality before. One time she delivered pizza, and then after that, it was just like.

[Clay]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mal]

Wow.

[Clay]

She's a very gracious woman. Yeah.

[Rory]

Very gracious. Crazy.

[Clay]

Yeah. Saying Willow, but she's.

[Rory]

That's why Clay is so stick. He says things.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

That you have to sit and think about for, like, 30 seconds. Like, he ain't just say it that way. Because the way he delivers the stuff that he says, seems like he's saying something that's not crazy. And then you think about what he actually said.

[Mal]

Peach, Are you familiar with Willow Rider's game? Oh, man, I gotta send you. I gotta send you some tape.

[Rory]

Oh, she's already in my head.

[Mal]

I'm looking at her right now.

[Clay]

She's in my cookie to everybody. Y'all should subscribe. Subscribe to Willow's only fan.

[Mal]

You know, I would love to, man. That might be the first person I ever really laid. A real card.

[Clay]

Yeah. No. Yeah, you deserve it. Yeah.

[Rory]

Laying the security code down.

[Mal]

Yeah. Yeah. I might put in the last. The CVV by going, hey, y'all better.

[Clay]

Run it up before Willow prices get crazy. And you could catch.

[Rory]

They're not crazy now.

[Clay]

No, it's actually. No.

[Rory]

She a young legend.

[Clay]

I feel like she gonna be with the greats now. She deserve her pricing to go up, but, like, right now, it's a little bit affordable and stuff like that.

[Mal]

She's a legend.

[Damaris]

A hypothetical if. Because it seems like you guys have a great relationship, and I don't know what the barrier of that relationship is. If she asked you to shoot content with her, would you do it?

[Clay]

No, no, no, I'm not. That's not my lane.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Okay, but what if they didn't. What if it was like, pov? They didn't know it was you.

[Damaris]

Just, like, no face.

[Mal]

They put a screen mask on you.

[Damaris]

Just that thing Kanye wore.

[Clay]

Nah, I mean, I still feel like I would. I record. I definitely, you know, I record some women when we have sex, but it's, like, consensual and stuff like that. I just. I think if I did it with Willow, it would be more so something for us to have in a stash. I just don't want my penis out there on the Internet, so.

[Mal]

Okay. So if, say, the Ray J. Kim K thing, say that became another thing where a studio came at y'all with a stupid.

[Clay]

I work in tech, though, bro. I got a corporate job now.

[Mal]

You sound like Hannah.

[Clay]

But I do, though. I can't be. I can't have none of that speculation.

[Rory]

So I've just seen you with a bunch of hoes selling jet skis on a lake.

[Clay]

What they gotta do. What they gotta do with mine?

[Rory]

You have another plan? Like, you don't have to stay corporate.

[Clay]

Yeah, I don't gotta stay corporate.

[Rory]

You could.

[Mal]

You got your.

[Rory]

With your own business, man.

[Clay]

Hey, well, the money gotta eat like corporate. It gotta eat like that.

[Mal]

It's a stupid bag, though. A stupid bag.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I feel like you have a group trip every single weekend on your story.

[Clay]

Yeah, I do. I do.

[Rory]

That business looks like it's doing all right. You could Willow on camera and lose your corporate job, you'd be fine. And if you dreams, man, that's what I'm trying to tell you.

[Clay]

I'll be in different rooms, bro. So, like, when I. When I'm with them corporate, I like kind of putting out there and, like, having, like. They wouldn't respect me if I was over here, like, you know, dicking down women on camera and shit.

[Rory]

Like, corporate guys subscribe to her only fans.

[Clay]

No, they do. They. I know people who see her that's in corporate and stuff like that, you know? Like, she does. Like. She does Skype calls and all that stuff. So, you know, she has customs that she does a lot of corporate iOS.

[Damaris]

What's she doing?

[Clay]

Yeah, she will do anything. She got her own website IP. She got APIs and shit like that, you know? Know. So, yeah, she. She. She. She changing the game, bro. She's changing the game.

[Rory]

Changing the game is crazy.

[Clay]

Yeah. Shout out to Willow, man.

[Rory]

We respect you up here for sure. Before we get to voicemails, I will ask, when was the last time you spoke to AD.

[Clay]

After the wedding episode dropped? Was the last time I talked to.

[Rory]

A.D. okay, the wedding episode of our.

[Clay]

Season, once it dropped, yeah. Me and AD don't talk. I mean, I'm sure when we see each other in person, it's gonna be a vibe. It's like one of them things, but it's like kind of like what we gonna really talk about, you know?

[Rory]

And for the moment.

[Clay]

Yeah. I mean, not. Not for the moment. I mean, I cared about her and stuff like that, but it's just like we didn't said a couple. She didn't said a couple things about me and Paz. I just don't feel comfortable just reaching out to her and having that conversation. It's gonna have to be something in person, because I'm not no fake, dude. I'm not doing stuff for the camera. It's like A.D. nah. Like, we kicked out it plenty times after we finished filming. Why would you let the Internet get into your head? And now we not cool at all. You know what I'm saying? We was literally kicking it. She came over for Thanksgiving. She know my family. Like, it was always love. So, you know, little hurt from the. From the. No, but I get it from the Internet. The Internet could get in your brain and your head.

[Rory]

Give her some grace in that regard. Because I'm sure that was overwhelming for her, the amount of shit that came from the Internet. And she may have wanted to just get away from that moment. That's why I said the moment. Get away from that. And part of that is you.

[Clay]

So I support AD Everything she does, though she about to be on next season. A Perfect Match three. I think I've seen that. And that show has a bunch of women in like, bikinis and all that stuff. So I can't wait to see what AD Delivers.

[Rory]

Wait, hold on. See, like I said, it says wild shit. Let him cook.

[Mal]

You gotta let him go. Let him cook.

[Clay]

No, but on some real stuff. Cause it's like, that's not a show for love.

[Rory]

I don't know. The show show Perfect Match.

[Damaris]

I. I don't know.

[Clay]

It's a hookup show.

[Rory]

Okay?

[Clay]

I said, damn, my fiance on A hookup show.

[Rory]

That's not your.

[Mal]

Oh, wow.

[Damaris]

So this is like. They invite all the.

[Rory]

It's like you could have made her.

[Mal]

An honest woman at the altar. What are you talking about?

[Clay]

I was. That was a test. I was testing her. She failed.

[Mal]

She failed the test of 16. That was a test and you failed. I was coming right back.

[Clay]

Oh, I never even seen. Is this the lineup?

[Rory]

But they. All right. But they don't hook up like on camera, do they?

[Mal]

Of what Is this on?

[Rory]

Only fans.

[Damaris]

The rumored cast for that.

[Rory]

Like you said, it's just a hookup. Are they on camera or something?

[Clay]

No, it's on Netflix. They kind of do like, you know when they be like. It'd be like that gray room and then the bed be moving. They kind of like do those like.

[Rory]

Okay, got you.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Oh, Ollie, wait.

[Rory]

Wasn't Amber.

[Clay]

Ali's actually with ad?

[Damaris]

Oh, shit. My bad, bro.

[Clay]

I guess he's the op.

[Damaris]

Nah, fuck Ali then.

[Rory]

Yeah. Nah, I mean, it's like.

[Clay]

Nah, it's all good. It's all up.

[Rory]

We roll with you.

[Damaris]

Season.

[Clay]

Yeah. He's on UK season and I want to tell ad like, damn, baby girl. I get it, man. You gotta go on your trips and have fun, you know? So I'm with it.

[Rory]

Wasn't Amber the only girl that was in like a successful marriage from the show?

[Clay]

It looks like it. I don't know none of these people.

[Rory]

Wasn't Amber on like season one with the white dude and they like actually became.

[Clay]

No, no, no, she's. No, that's. She's still with Barnett.

[Rory]

That. That's. But wasn't her name.

[Damaris]

That's ad.

[Rory]

Okay, let's don't. Don't mind me, Gus.

[Clay]

Oh, Freddie. I know Freddie.

[Damaris]

Freddie. He was a UK season also.

[Rory]

Never knew Ad's name was Amber.

[Clay]

Yeah, I don't know none of these guys though. They don't look like they're into black women though.

[Rory]

Yeah, especially Jalen.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Clay]

Jalen look like he. Yeah, he. Not with that. Is there a light skinned girl on the show?

[Damaris]

Well, they have two more cast members that they have yet.

[Rory]

Jalen might be in the Freddie.

[Clay]

That's the thing about these shows with these reality tv. Because they'd be like, the black dudes don't really be liking black women like that. So I'll just be. I'm just kind of looking at these guys.

[Damaris]

I can see Jalen getting with Holly or Olivia.

[Clay]

Yeah, I know Holly.

[Rory]

How you know her?

[Clay]

She's on another. I think she was on Perfect Match.

[Damaris]

Season 2, she was on Too Hot to Handle.

[Clay]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Damaris]

I've never heard of that show.

[Clay]

Interesting.

[Rory]

Anyways, do we have voicemails?

[Damaris]

Yeah, let's get. Let's get some advice.

[Rory]

You've got mail.

[Damaris]

All right, Clay, you know how it goes. We're just gonna. Let's play some voicemails and give some amazing advice.

[Clay]

All right, what's going on, y'all? It's Justin from Baltimore. I gotta hurry up and keep this quick. I think it's a 90 second cap. So pretty much, what do we draw the line when it comes to sharing clothes? Y'all a little bit older than me. Damaris is a woman, so she can give me a different perspective. Gifts shout out to mall and Roy, let's go. My homie pretty much hit me up. Okay. I lost my girlfriend. We was together for four years. 23. So I'm like, all right, bet. It's time for me to move on that. Let's get it cool. He hit me up, said, bro, I got two. We're gonna have a good time. I'm like, all right, bet. W mans? Bet. I'm really. I haven't really been in the streets in a minute. So he said, all right, bro, bring some ethicus. I'm like, red flag number one. I'm like, bring some ethicus. The is you talking about? All right, bet. Maybe because the, like, ethic is nowadays. All right, whatever. I haven't really been in the digging pool in a minute. I'm only 23. We together for four years. I'm like, all right, bet. I pull up with the ethicals on for the blah, blah, blah. I get there.

[Rory]

He's like, bro, he's giving me anxiety.

[Mal]

What?

[Clay]

Yeah, because it's the underwear, right?

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah.

[Clay]

I met the dude that own ethical too. That's crazy.

[Damaris]

You can send this guy's in Paris ethicus.

[Clay]

I'm like, oh, you want to be the bottle you some ethicas? I'm like, that's weird.

[Mal]

But like, okay.

[Clay]

But he was like, no. Like, where's you. I want. We going to share the ethicas, bro. Be sharing all the time. Oh, my gosh.

[Mal]

Underwear.

[Clay]

Like, I didn't know this is a thing until he showed me some tick tocks. Like, this is the thing. Like, be sharing ethics. Like group ethicus. That's the term. Group ethicus. Be sharing. And I treated this like he was gay. I was like, bro, that's weird. As. And then him and another in the Friend group started treating me crazy and calling me wild foul because I look at them. Crazy. Crazy. Am I tripping or what? Like real. No, them down low would gaslight you. Huh?

[Rory]

Actually that's. Their entire being is gaslighting everyone from the truth of who they really are.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Their life is a gaslight.

[Mal]

The homie saying, bring some underwear so I could wear. Yeah, like what? What is that?

[Rory]

This has to be fake. Fake. I hate to spoil it sometimes.

[Damaris]

I don't like when you guys say that. Because who would call it like, why would someone do that?

[Rory]

He said no, that's my point. Why would someone do that?

[Damaris]

No, I'm saying, why would someone call in to leave a fake voicemail?

[Mal]

He said no, listen, he said there's tick tock trends of people doing no.

[Rory]

Just because he's also.

[Damaris]

That's the other thing. The validity. Just because you saw it on TikTok doesn't mean it's a thing.

[Mal]

Yeah, well, I mean, if you see people do things that could be a.

[Damaris]

One off thing, it doesn't mean it's like a hot. The hot new trend is. Is me and the homies swapping underwear. It's not a thing.

[Mal]

Swapping underwear is craziness.

[Rory]

But why? I'm just asking that question.

[Mal]

I don't know, man. I don't know what this generation.

[Damaris]

What if he himself. Remember that time you shit yourself?

[Mal]

Rory.

[Rory]

It happened a bunch of times.

[Mal]

Yeah, but Rory didn't call his homeboy and say, yo, bring me some of your underwear to put on.

[Rory]

Yeah, I went into a restaurant bathroom, threw my underwear out, clean my ass and raw dog some denim.

[Clay]

And my guy, you could go to the gas station, get the fruity one looms underwear.

[Mal]

Talking about, bro, like, Sharon, underwear is crazy.

[Clay]

What's this guy name?

[Mal]

Justin.

[Clay]

Justin, use your common sense, bro. That was a crazy thing that I even asked.

[Mal]

Well, no, they asked him.

[Clay]

Oh, they asked underwear. Well, use your. You need. You need to change your tripping, Justin.

[Mal]

No, you're not tripping.

[Rory]

I like the brand, but it's like readily available. You don't need your mask.

[Mal]

Like, bro, sharing underwear is crazy.

[Clay]

That's crazy.

[Mal]

If y'all out there sharing underwear. Please stop. I don't know what trend this is y'all are doing, but that's. That's very.

[Clay]

I can't even imagine delivering underwear.

[Rory]

I've seen that. But like underwear, Underwear.

[Clay]

Yeah, like here, my. I know you need this.

[Mal]

Yeah, like under like drawers. Maybe. Maybe a pair of socks.

[Rory]

Maybe for some socks before.

[Mal]

Yeah, like socks me an Extra pair of socks. Like, yeah, but a ain't never say, yo, Maul, give me an extra pair of your underwear.

[Clay]

Yeah, what?

[Mal]

Get out my house.

[Clay]

I asked for, like, a bill.

[Rory]

If I myself, I'd say, yo, Mo. I myself, I'm going home. Hit me tomorrow.

[Mal]

Whatever I was doing, whatever we had going on before. I shit myself.

[Rory]

Yo, Ma, I can't make the live show tonight. It's just you.

[Mal]

It's canceled. If I shit myself, everything else after that has been canceled.

[Clay]

I agree.

[Mal]

I'm going home. So.

[Clay]

Yeah, that's a bad sign.

[Mal]

Justin, you're not tripping. The homies is either, you know, on some other shit or get new friends. Justin.

[Clay]

Yeah, I think Justin should get new friends.

[Damaris]

I'll ask then what. What is appropriate then for. For guys to share? If not underwear, what's something that would be more appropriate yet?

[Clay]

A belt? Maybe, like a cup of sugar.

[Mal]

A belt. I might even give the homie a hoodie. A hat.

[Clay]

A hoodie?

[Mal]

Yeah, get a homie a hoodie. A hat.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Yeah, man, but, like, my underwear. Nah, but come on, man. We. We. We can't do that. We not sure we have to.

[Clay]

And also, too, men clothes are more expensive than women clothes. So it's like you kind of give some of your material or your gear away. Like, that's like a. A loan.

[Mal]

Yeah, we just talking about underwear. Yeah, I don't give a. How much you pay for your underwear.

[Rory]

Yo, a girl stealing your hoodie being the equivalent of your man stealing your drawers is the funniest.

[Mal]

Yo, my man got my underwear.

[Rory]

You can never give him a pair of underwear. You'll never see it again.

[Mal]

What the. That's crazy.

[Clay]

Have y'all dived into that? Women still in men's clothes.

[Rory]

I mean, I've lived it. You just.

[Mal]

Most of my life, not even nothing to die.

[Clay]

That is crazy, bro.

[Mal]

You just gotta deal with it.

[Damaris]

I've lost some great hoodies.

[Clay]

Yeah, me too. I lost some great. I remember one time I saw this girl, and I ain't like. It was like, the first week of school, and she was, like, walking around willy nilly. Like, I'm like, yo, where my hoodie at? She looked at me like I was crazy for asking for that. Like, yo, I like that hoodie. What the fuck?

[Rory]

And what's fucked up, somehow the women have, like, changed the Internet to make that seem cute. Yeah, I want my shit back. Yeah, that's mine.

[Clay]

Yeah, just give it back.

[Rory]

That's why when girls.

[Clay]

When I was on my single days and I had women coming over. I gave them the worst shit.

[Rory]

Of course.

[Clay]

Like, I gave them the shit that got like a hole in the back. Like, you ain't even trying to walk out with that.

[Mal]

Yeah, and if you do, I don't care.

[Clay]

Yeah, if you do, I don't care.

[Damaris]

Yeah, you give them the shit that you were already going to give to, like, Goodwill.

[Clay]

Yeah, yeah. Yep.

[Rory]

All right, what's. What's sicker? If you give your man some underwear or he gives it back. Imagine lending your man some underwear and he give it back.

[Mal]

You take him off in the car before you get out. Like, yo, hold up. Don't.

[Rory]

Don't forget.

[Mal]

Yo, yo, yo, take these.

[Damaris]

You gotta wash them. What if he washes them?

[Rory]

And even sicker, Julian, if I ever got to a predicament where my man's needed some draws and I gave him, that's yours.

[Clay]

Now, if I do, you know what goes down in the draws?

[Mal]

All right, let's. Let's, let's keep it on. If I have a. If they're brand new, then I might give my homie the underwear. Like, if I have a pack of brand new Ethicals or whatever, I'm like, nah, yeah, take that.

[Clay]

What's the reason you need it, though? That's the thing.

[Mal]

Listen, man, if I got underwear and I never wore them, I could see that. So I'll take that back. Justin, if this brand new underwear and they say, yo, bring a pair.

[Damaris]

Well, that's what he said. He said his friend wanted him to pick up a pack and give him one. One.

[Mal]

Oh, oh, oh. Okay, so I didn't.

[Clay]

But what was his friend wearing? Prior.

[Damaris]

That's what I'm saying. Like, what were you.

[Mal]

He was going to command.

[Damaris]

If I meet you at the spot, are you gonna run into the bathroom in the club and throw on the Ethicals?

[Mal]

Yeah, you gotta. You gotta hand them to them. Bold up in your hand. Just give him a dap with the underwear. Don't let the girl see you giving him.

[Rory]

Yeah, what's funnier is that you down at the door at the club. Like, what you doing? Yeah, what Nasty. You trying to get off in here?

[Mal]

And what type of girls are just you because you got on Ethicus?

[Damaris]

That's a real question.

[Mal]

What do we talk? What is that? What is that about? I gave him some because he had on some ethicas. What?

[Rory]

Yeah, he was sagging in the club.

[Mal]

He got ethicas on.

[Rory]

I saw that, babe.

[Mal]

That's what's up.

[Damaris]

Is there. Okay, well, then let Me ask this. Is there a brand of clothing that a woman could wear in our. In our situation? Is there a brand that a woman could wear where you'd be like, ah, there's no way I'd hook up with her because she's wearing. Fill in the blank.

[Mal]

No know. I don't care what she's wearing.

[Rory]

It's a little hypocritical because I've definitely a lot of women that wore jeans with no belt and black air forces. Some of the best I've ever had. But at this point in my life, that would be a deal breaker.

[Mal]

Some of the best sex I ever had, she had on some.

[Rory]

Some Hanes just take off the black forces. I don't know if I could.

[Mal]

That box was incredible.

[Rory]

What type of hang.

[Clay]

I can't even think.

[Mal]

It's the regular cotton joints. The joints that come, like, in the. Nah, they had a little. Little color to them, but they was.

[Rory]

Like, ooh, it sounds like they've been worn a lot.

[Mal]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Rory]

Not that they weren't off white the way you thought. They were streaking.

[Mal]

They had, like, designs on it and shit like that. But I was expecting her because she was a fly, but she just was like, yo, I was chilling today, running errands. Like, she just had on some basic panties and.

[Rory]

What's wrong with that?

[Mal]

Nothing. It was incredible, okay? I'm trying to tell you, it was nothing wrong with it. It's incredible.

[Rory]

Do women share underwear? Because I feel like that's even crazier.

[Mal]

Women don't even wear underwear. Women don't even wear underwear. That's why I see women underway. You got to look at her. Like, that's just like a. A library. They still make you like. I didn't know women wear underwear anymore.

[Rory]

I've seen women take photos to post on Instagram, like, in dressing rooms and lingerie, and to me, that's disgusting.

[Mal]

Like, why the panties on?

[Rory]

Like, can you purchase it? Then it's fine.

[Mal]

But they usually. I think they have, like, oh, trying.

[Clay]

On lingerie and posting and they're in dresses.

[Rory]

Dressing rooms.

[Clay]

Oh, yeah.

[Mal]

They have a liner. They have a liner in. In the panties.

[Rory]

That's still crazy to me.

[Mal]

No, it is. I mean, Victoria's Secret.

[Rory]

You could.

[Mal]

You could take panties back.

[Clay]

Whoa.

[Mal]

A girl told me that one time, she me. I was like, wait, you. You can wear them and bring them back. She's like, yeah. I was like, that's insane. And then what? Like, they just put them back on the. Like the clearance yeah, they put them on the clearance table.

[Clay]

Yeah, they gotta put on clearance.

[Mal]

That's crazy. No, put those in the furnace. Burn those like. We ain't selling that.

[Clay]

Nah, that's capitalism, bro. You gotta sell it. Awesome. Sick.

[Mal]

We got another one.

[Damaris]

Yes. We have a follow up. Our friend Chemo Clay, just to catch you up to speed, Chemo called in saying he has a beef with the movie Finding Nemo. Because when he was a kid, around the time the movie came out, his dad left and his cousins that he.

[Rory]

Went to school with, he trauma dumped on us.

[Damaris]

His cousins that he went to school with would always say, damn, bro. Like, did you find your dad yet? It became like a whole thing.

[Mal]

And his name is Chemo Nemo. You know how that.

[Rory]

And then also, like in Finding Nemo, at least the dad gave a enough to go find his son. Yeah, too many layers to how funny that joke is. So his friends did the right thing by making fun of him.

[Damaris]

Yeah, so he. He called back.

[Clay]

So he's insecure about that.

[Rory]

What's up, guys?

[Clay]

Chemo again. I got confirmation to tell the story.

[Mal]

Back in 2018, I went to Camp Long with my homeboy Kelby. Around this time, he was talking to a young lady. Wasn't really connected, so they fell off, but that was still cool. Coincidentally, she shot her shot at my homeboy Kent. None came to came to fruition either. So she spent the block of my boy Kelby.

[Rory]

So she's. And you're trying to run through the team and failing.

[Mal]

She knew me Twitter, I guess, but. But hurt. But them two was talking, right? Tell me why. Tell me why she garnered the idea, the thought, the wherewithal to tell this.

[Clay]

Man, a black man.

[Mal]

Hey, you. Kent and Chemo got something in common. It was like, what's that? Y'all really the kkk for real? Like, if you asking yourself what race was she, think of the women. Julian be all right.

[Damaris]

I haven't heard this yet.

[Mal]

I was. He was all offended. Like, we wanted to. We. We didn't want to do harm to a woman because it's not right. But, like, if we could pay, we would. So my question to y'all is, have.

[Clay]

You ever had a situation where a girl just said something egregious and you just had to sit there and think about it?

[Damaris]

You ever just want to beat the shit out of a woman?

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mal]

Is that what he said?

[Damaris]

Well, she has just wail on a bitch.

[Rory]

She has consensually tried to run through the whole team, and I'm not one for like that group orgy sex. I think it's weird when people run trains on women, but consensually, she's tried to run through the team. If she says some racist shit, do it for the ancestors. 3. I'll just. I always dog her the fuck out. And you heard Clay.

[Mal]

I always say that. Yeah, Clay said. I always say that.

[Clay]

You got dog number hoes out. Fuck they face. Yeah, you like.

[Rory]

It's all consensual. She wants to do it. So.

[Mal]

Yeah, have fun.

[Rory]

I think it would make.

[Clay]

Do it for Smile.

[Mal]

Yeah, just dog.

[Rory]

Just dog out that white.

[Mal]

Gotta really give it to him.

[Rory]

Play Mr. Morale while it's happening.

[Damaris]

Do it for M. That's crazy.

[Mal]

Play Mr. Morale while y'all run a train on the white girl.

[Rory]

First time I a white girl was in Copenhagen.

[Mal]

What? Yeah. Kemo. I don't know what y'all got going on in y'all circ. What's up with the dudes that's calling in now, like, chemo circles?

[Rory]

What's wrong with Chemo, man?

[Mal]

Yeah, well, you sound like he tried not to put his hands on a woman. He called us for advice.

[Damaris]

He said I would. Yeah, like, crazy.

[Mal]

What are you talking about, fam?

[Clay]

Like, whoa, bro.

[Rory]

And then, like, come on with the dirt right now. You saying, if I could pay for it. Clearly, that doesn't work either.

[Mal]

No, you talking about Chemo. Just find your dad. I don't know.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I think you need to approach some of these abandonment issues.

[Clay]

Does Chemo know his sister?

[Mal]

Does he know his.

[Clay]

These are sisters or siblings? Like, that was. I don't know.

[Mal]

Yeah, get into that.

[Clay]

Okay.

[Rory]

The only detail he gave was trying to beat up a woman.

[Clay]

That's the gotcha. And he's trying to find his father.

[Rory]

No, he gave up on that.

[Clay]

Oh, he gave up. Okay. I'm gonna say there's a lot of trauma in this.

[Mal]

He ain't trying to find his dad. His dad is hoping because his dad.

[Damaris]

Left, he wants to hit women now. That's the. That's the leap.

[Mal]

Well, naturally. That's how it. You know, that's how it happens.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

It's always the woman's fault.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So do you think that this white woman felt comfortable enough? Like, she thinks she's one of the. One of the crew and can get that off? Is that.

[Clay]

That.

[Rory]

Is that we think happened here. Because she's tried to run through everybody. That's also nasty. I'm gonna judge them a bit. If she's. She went with dude to Tyler's festival. That didn't work. Then went to the next guy, then went down to Nemo. Like, no one sees a pattern of, like, maybe we should keep this crazy away from us.

[Mal]

They're young, though, right?

[Damaris]

Yeah, they're young, but sometimes there's, like, that thing where, like, there's that one chick that. That again, at the age that they're at, it's like, all right, we all just, like, whatever. No one's claiming that it gets weird once someone wipes it. Is there like. Yeah, her face 48 hours ago.

[Rory]

I think you're taking. I think it's. I think it's worse if someone wipes it and nobody beat. To me, that's way crazier. You tried to. Three of the homies, they all said, nah, and then you wipe. To me, that's crazier than if all three of my friends her.

[Clay]

Like, but what if he was like, yo, y'all crazy, but y'all niggas didn't get to experience what I got to experience. It was kind of wild. Like, if y'all would have done it, y'all would understand.

[Mal]

Yeah. I'm not wife and no girl that. Whether or not she actually went through with it and slept with my homies.

[Clay]

No, no. Wife is crazy.

[Rory]

Wife is crazy in both regards here. But imagine a girl trying to run through your whole group chat, and every last one of them says no, and then you like, this could be the one.

[Mal]

Yeah. Wife in it.

[Rory]

That's the scenario.

[Mal]

Yeah. Not us.

[Damaris]

Yeah, she's caught, But I don't get why she's calling them the kkk. I don't get how that checks out.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Just logically, that makes no sense unless they.

[Mal]

All their name starts with a K.

[Damaris]

Oh, wait, y'all didn't get that because Chemo's name.

[Clay]

No.

[Rory]

Yeah. Oh, that was the. That was her punchline. That was her Tony Hinchcliffe punchline.

[Damaris]

I was gonna say if three of.

[Rory]

Them are the kkk, because they all start with K. And she tried to talk to all three of them.

[Damaris]

I was gonna say if she, like, wore, like, the hood in, like, a linen, like, the white linens, while they were just her whole up.

[Rory]

Wait, what did y'all think her joke was about?

[Clay]

I didn't get it.

[Rory]

All three of that. No, I'm saying I could be wrong joke.

[Mal]

But I'm guessing that their names start with the K. Yeah.

[Rory]

All three of them have K names.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

I wonder if Kimo starts with the guy.

[Clay]

I love when girls have bad jokes. Just laugh it off. I'M like.

[Rory]

I feel like Willow's funny, though.

[Clay]

Willow's hilarious.

[Rory]

I feel like she has dry humor.

[Mal]

Subscribe to only Dry fans.

[Clay]

She's dark. Her humor's dark. So it's like.

[Rory]

I can see that.

[Clay]

Yeah, yeah. It's like, really?

[Damaris]

Yeah, you can see that Roy keeps.

[Rory]

On your toes, you know, by studying some of her work. I feel like. Yeah, she definitely.

[Clay]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Absolutely.

[Rory]

She gives me those vibes.

[Mal]

Oh, man.

[Damaris]

We do one more.

[Mal]

Do we have another one?

[Damaris]

Yeah. We can go out on, like, a higher note, please.

[Mal]

Hey, guys.

[Clay]

What's up?

[Mal]

Cece from Virginia. Big fan of the pod. I had a question. You know, we all are from New York. I'm from Brooklyn. My uncle's from Brooklyn too. Coney Island. I moved down here to MVA to be a little bit closer to my mom's, and I had this whole situation. I was pulling into a Walmart parking lot, and as I was getting out.

[Clay]

The car to go in the store.

[Mal]

I saw a lady hit a. A dude's car trying to park. And eventually, dude kind of like, not found me because I'm pretty sure I was like, leaving the store. But he asked me, like, you know, who did this? And I told him, like, yeah, I think she parked on the other side of the parking lot. That's it. Me and my uncle were talking and we're trying to define the definition of snitching, because I always thought it was simply, if you're a civilian and it's not something crazy, criminal, you're good. But if you are here in the.

[Clay]

Streets doing criminal, no money, drugs, whatever.

[Mal]

It could be, and you telling on your peoples, or you tell my people against you. To me, that snitching. But my uncle, he a little bit older. I think he was born like the 80s. He says point blank, snitching is stitching. Doesn't matter if you're a civilian or not, you're snitching.

[Clay]

So I just wanted to get you.

[Mal]

Guys thoughts on it.

[Rory]

Peace.

[Mal]

Thank you. People still don't know what snitching is.

[Damaris]

Mall.

[Mal]

This is not snitching. It's just not. Now, should you mind your business, maybe, but this isn't snitching. Snitching is reserved for people that are into illegal street activities. This is just a Samaritan in the parking lot not notice somebody hit a car. And again, maybe mind your business. It's always that part of it. But if not, if you feel like, damn, I should let this person know, like, listen, that Car just hit you. Whatever. That's not snitching. That's just not what snitching is. There's nothing. That's not. No street activity. It's not. No. You don't own. Owe any loyalty to that person that hit that car or any. Like, you don't know that person. Like, that's not snitching. So people just. I don't understand. People still don't understand what snitching is. Now, if you and this person were involved in a car insurance scam and then you went and told, like, nah, we set that whole up, yeah, that's snitching, but that's not what this is. So, no, I don't. Again, I'm always on the side of my business, so maybe just mind your business and just continue shopping or whatever. But if you want to be a good Samaritan, let the person know that, you know, just car hit your car or whatever. Like. Like, then that's fine too. I don't. It's not snitching, though.

[Clay]

What if you, like, walked them over and, like, pointed out, like, it was this one.

[Damaris]

He, like, wrote down the license plate.

[Mal]

Again, that's still not. Mind your business.

[Damaris]

I'm with you on that.

[Mal]

Mind your business. Not snitching, but mind your business.

[Rory]

I'll be truthful. I would have to analyze the person that hit the car to decide if I was going to mind my business or not.

[Mal]

If you're going to turn into a Karen or not.

[Damaris]

He did say a woman. I'm assuming it was a white woman.

[Clay]

Oh, yeah.

[Damaris]

So I'm getting the license.

[Rory]

As someone that has a car, I would want someone to tell me.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Rory]

If.

[Mal]

Oh, if it was a white woman. If it was a white woman hit the car. I'm running that car down.

[Clay]

A white woman in Walmart?

[Mal]

Yeah. You know, they lived there.

[Damaris]

Could have been Asian residency.

[Mal]

Yeah. Oh, if it was Asian, though, then I'm just helping the community at that. Because she's gonna hit another one.

[Rory]

Tony has y'all on one this week.

[Damaris]

Her whole car looks like a golf ball. Just small indents everywhere.

[Mal]

I'm like, listen, we got to get her off the streets, please. Absolutely. Yeah. If it's Asian. Telling on him.

[Damaris]

Have you guys ever had a moment of. Of. Of clay? Have you ever had, like, a good Samaritan moment?

[Mal]

Yeah, he left a. Yeah, I did a young lady at the altar.

[Clay]

I saved her.

[Mal]

He saved her from his life of red flags.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Well, I. I recently snitched on someone that was doing some scamming at. So in the Lower east side right now.

[Mal]

What, are they trying to scam you?

[Rory]

No.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

They're all. They're probably gonna successfully scam my barber. So there is a lawyer in the Lower east side right by Julian's crib. I'll give the exact address.

[Mal]

Give the apartment, put the drop on me.

[Rory]

Yeah, go ahead with the Jansport thing. You said damn near the exact block you live on, so I'm not saying anything.

[Damaris]

What?

[Mal]

No, I didn't.

[Damaris]

And that was Lululemon.

[Rory]

So there's a scum lawyer in LES right now that is paying somebody that we don't even know if he's really in a wheelchair is going business to business and finding out who doesn't have a wheelchair accessible thing. Now to get into my barbershop, there's one step. And I watched them pick this guy's wheelchair up to bring him into the shop, stop and give him a haircut. He has been hired by this lawyer to just find spots, just wheel around Les and they're suing everyone in the neighborhood. That's scum to me.

[Clay]

So that is.

[Mal]

That's crazy.

[Rory]

So I saw.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Rory]

The same person in the wheelchair at the corner store that's one block over right before I was about to get my haircut and I told Ock right when that guy wheeled the out of there. Hey, that's an insurance scam right now. Now don't let that person in because they're going to try to sue you.

[Mal]

So what do they sue you for.

[Rory]

If not having wheelchair accessible?

[Clay]

That's crazy. That's a good.

[Rory]

But he's legitimately being hired by this exact same lawyer that's sending him out to do that. And on top of that.

[Mal]

Oh yeah, on top of that, we.

[Rory]

We have suspicions that he's not even handicapped.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like he's just in a wheelchair and they're trying to get over on it.

[Clay]

So why you say your Barbara's gonna get scammed? He already hired lawyers already.

[Rory]

He's been sued. They're in court right now.

[Damaris]

Wait, what? That happened to him?

[Rory]

Yeah, it's up.

[Clay]

That's up.

[Rory]

I snitched immediately to.

[Mal]

Oh yeah. That's not. Yeah, but even. That's not snitching. That's like.

[Clay]

But what you.

[Rory]

But it's the opposite community at that point.

[Clay]

If your man still got sued, how you going to save the. Our corner store. They don't have the wheelchair accessible anyone that.

[Rory]

When. Anytime I see that guy wheeling himself around, I know what Time it is. So I just tell people, yeah. Like, don't watch.

[Clay]

Don't let them in. And got you.

[Rory]

He's not in here to. You realize he came in here and didn't buy nothing.

[Clay]

Like, got you, got you. Damn, that's messed up. But I did hear that anytime you sue, you usually get some type of money from it. They said, like, when in doubt, sue, because companies don't want. Don't want that on them, you know, so that's interesting.

[Damaris]

Unrelated that Juul's class action lawsuit, the smoking vape, the original shit that popped off their class action lawsuit, starting to pay people out. People are getting like upwards of like $7,000 as a payout. So they. Well, no, it's like, you know, if. If a class action lawsuit goes out, basically, like what Twitter's saying is like, just. Just file for it because more likely, more often than not, you will get paid out. But it's been like happening over the course of the last couple weeks. People have been getting money hitting their accounts.

[Rory]

Yeah. By the time that hits, like press, they ran out of money. Like, like, I doubt if you filed now you'd get that 7K.

[Damaris]

Yeah. So here we go.

[Clay]

Here's.

[Damaris]

Here's one example or one example. Earlier this week, someone got a 1400 people are getting like, you know, anywhere from like a couple hundred dollars all the way upwards of like 5,000, $6,000.

[Rory]

Yo, before we wrap, all of us in this room are. I don't know if y'all saw the article that came out today that the IRS has hired close to like a thousand people for a whole new department for independent contractors that use lifestyle in their taxes. Like, when I buy clothes, I have a show, so I can write that off.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Everyone in this room has like that.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Rory]

They are trying to audit every lifestyle.

[Clay]

That's a lot, though.

[Rory]

Which is up. Like, that is still a business experience.

[Clay]

It is.

[Rory]

What's the difference between you needing a stapler for your job but me needing a shirt for mine? Fine.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

And now that they're doing that with every lifestyle person, like, yeah, not my haircut. That's right off.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Rory]

How the wouldn't it be?

[Clay]

Yeah, exactly. I'm on camera all the time. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. Oh, damn.

[Rory]

Buying paper and doing that. Like.

[Clay]

No, so what you do to write off haircuts, you just kind of like, I'm on camera.

[Rory]

That's a business.

[Clay]

No, I'm saying, like, you just do you. I guess you. You take. You keep track of how many haircuts you get. Okay. Interesting. I might need to.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I'm doing that for the first time this year.

[Clay]

Interesting.

[Rory]

Everything that regarding. And it's not a lie either.

[Clay]

Yeah, it's not. No, it's not. Especially on camera all the time, for sure. That's a liability.

[Rory]

I don't see the difference with any other business expense for someone else, like.

[Clay]

Yeah, well, tax is a dirty game. Them criminals themselves, these billionaires are writing.

[Rory]

Off their private planes because they're flying from meeting to meeting.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

My haircut. You have an issue with irs?

[Clay]

Yeah. For real?

[Mal]

Yeah. All right, Clay, so what else we got going on, man?

[Clay]

Man, I'm just kind of keeping the head low. I feel like last time y'all saw me, I. I ain't been in no trouble since then, so.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

You know, just kind of quiet online. I ain't been seeing nothing too crazy.

[Clay]

Ain't nothing too crazy. You know what I'm saying? So I'm just. I'm on punishment for this year. I'm hoping that the women accept me back, you know, next year.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Clay]

And I'm on a good pathway, you.

[Rory]

Know, Women will set me back next year. Yeah.

[Clay]

They mad at me, man. Anytime. I thought they're like, man, shut up. Stop talking. I'm just like, there's some beautiful girls on that side, too, so it's gonna.

[Mal]

Take some time to get that off you. Get that stench off of you. Like, damn, Clayzer, he. He. Amber dirty. Like, you know, it's gonna take a while to get that off of you.

[Clay]

Yeah, yeah. It's probably gonna be a little while.

[Damaris]

You know what I think will help? I think her going on this show.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

And seeing her, like, them seeing her with other guys and, like, I don't wanna.

[Mal]

What?

[Damaris]

Getting physical with other guys. People like, oh, like, she's moved on. Like, this isn't Because I feel like people see something on TV and that'll. That locks in their memory of who these people are. Like, their capacity is like, what I've seen and what I know about them. But, like, seeing you come on here is one thing, but seeing her literally be on an island with a bunch of other guys and, like, doing other things is like, okay.

[Mal]

Like, takes the attention off of.

[Damaris]

Yeah. It's like, oh, like, life goes on. Like, this happened even though it happened over a year ago, I'm still only beholden to this because this is the only thing I know about them.

[Rory]

Also, you probably ran into women that have no idea about the show, though, right?

[Clay]

Yeah, I have. I have. Yeah.

[Rory]

Which Must be refreshing.

[Clay]

That is. I love when people don't know who I am. It like, honestly, the world that I lived in before I did love is blind. 2023 was amazing year, bro. Bro. Oh, my gosh. I was loved all around from women. 2024. It's like everybody got a story, you know?

[Mal]

Well, yeah, we saw what you did.

[Rory]

It's documented.

[Clay]

Like, damn. Like, why the. Y'all gotta remember that? Bring that up.

[Rory]

Why do you gotta remember the show?

[Mal]

Play Mad Got Netflix. Why y'all got. Everybody got Netflix.

[Rory]

You two to a girl, like, you got Netflix too?

[Clay]

Because I ain't watch Love is Blood before that. So I'm kind of like. I'm just shocked that. I mean, people.

[Rory]

Yeah. But you, because of you.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Your show has become. You elevated the brand.

[Clay]

No, I think.

[Mal]

I think A.D. you and A.D. definitely helped to elevate the Love Is Blonde brand. Without a doubt. Which is why they need to pay y'all a big bag to ever, ever sit on that camera again.

[Damaris]

I would say. Would you ever do another show like that? A dating show?

[Clay]

Dating show? No, no, no, no. Heck no. I can't trust a network to bring me the women I want.

[Mal]

I can't trust the network.

[Damaris]

You said, let me cast.

[Mal]

Bring me the women I want. That's pimping right there.

[Rory]

When AD could say the same thing.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I can't trust a network to bring me a man that.

[Clay]

She trusted him again. She on Perfect Match three. So we'll see. We going to see.

[Mal]

I'm salty. My clay. Sound like you selling you a little salt about that, though. You sound like you might still have some feelings for AD Though. On a low.

[Clay]

That's my fiance.

[Mal]

Was it?

[Rory]

Nigga.

[Mal]

Cuz, I. Nigga, why niggas don't think.

[Clay]

I loved A.D. bro, I love A.D.

[Rory]

I'M not saying you didn't love him.

[Mal]

I would never say you. You didn't care in love for AD Bro.

[Clay]

Like, I get it, bro. I made a bad decision. I made a decision.

[Rory]

I said no.

[Clay]

I think I made the right decision. I think I did it at the wrong time.

[Rory]

Crazy.

[Clay]

But, like, how did I have feelings for AD bro? 100 do I want to see AD on that damn show? Perfect match season 3. I wanted her to find a man organically, not to go try to find love on the. Damn.

[Mal]

You don't want that for her. You don't want.

[Clay]

I don't want that for her. You know, and me and her talked about this. I might have, you know, and. And if that's the case. I apologize, AD for leading you down that path.

[Mal]

Ass. Yeah. I apologize for your life up ad.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Rory]

As. As much as I give play a lot of man, I'm still on the side of. He did make the right decision. I do believe you cared about her because you made that decision.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Because you knew this isn't gonna work. This will be way worse if I go through.

[Mal]

No, it wouldn't.

[Rory]

It was up, but I'm still on the side.

[Mal]

Like.

[Clay]

Yeah, I get it.

[Mal]

If Clay would have did that when they was on lunch, you know, like with the. With the mom and all of that, like with Ad's mom. And he decided, like, no problem just letting AD put the dress on.

[Clay]

I know. That was crazy.

[Mal]

That was like, oh, man.

[Clay]

But I'm. This. This. I don't want to say too much. There's NDA's in place that is a little bit misleading like that. I'm the one that made the decision to go to the altar. I'm not gonna say speak too much on that, but, like, you know, should I have. Should I have gone to the altar? No. Was it my only. Was I the only one that made that decision? No. I'm gonna just say that got you.

[Mal]

I get it. I understand that it's entertainment.

[Clay]

It's entertainment, you know, but real emotions.

[Mal]

Get involved, real feelings develop.

[Clay]

100%.

[Mal]

You obviously do have love for AD.

[Clay]

Yeah. And shout out to AD man, killing it all.

[Rory]

Her whole storyline with this could be, I'm not touching nobody.

[Mal]

Yeah, I get it.

[Rory]

I'm not there yet. Like this.

[Mal]

I'm just getting back.

[Clay]

Nah, they got episodes like, scott, just.

[Rory]

Let me at the altar.

[Clay]

They gotta watch Perfect Match 3. That shit crazy.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Clay]

They be having, like, stuff like, oh, go ahead and fill her ass and tell. And you gotta match who that person is. Like, you gotta know who that person. So do dudes who not even matched with her are gonna be, like, trying to kiss her and they gotta kiss her and they gotta make out and they gotta say, okay. They gotta rate the kisses. And then like, she gonna be kissing blindfolded or something. It's kind of blindfolded and she has to kiss something. She's the rate to kiss. Like Perfect matches. Like a fboy, like paradise island hookup show.

[Mal]

Physicality.

[Damaris]

Is Lachey behind this too, or what?

[Clay]

Nick Lachey is behind this.

[Damaris]

Of course he is.

[Rory]

I said, yeah, AD said that I.

[Clay]

Should be on Perfect Match. That's crazy work. And she on it.

[Mal]

She said that you should be on it.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Rory]

If you listen to that two things can be true. Crazy. But yeah, she kind of has a point.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Rory]

She's not.

[Mal]

Because if I wasn't his perfect match.

[Clay]

Maybe he can find his perfect match.

[Rory]

Oh, see, she looking out for you.

[Damaris]

You can't say that while you're on the program.

[Rory]

She's trying to find her perfect match.

[Mal]

Yeah, she's saying. Clearly, she was saying that like a dig.

[Damaris]

She was like, get his ass up here. Because if I'm not, is. And maybe it's over here.

[Clay]

Well, A.D. now you about to find yours. Well, I'm gonna be watching.

[Mal]

I'm watching.

[Clay]

I'm gonna be watching.

[Mal]

I'm gonna watch it.

[Clay]

But I love it, though. I love it, though. And she look great over there too.

[Rory]

My. My last request before we close.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Is there any way you can connect me with the Love is Blind producers and I can pitch Maul as his manager to the show? I will. We will move this entire podcast to whatever city we need to do for 10 days. I need to one of those pods. They've never done somebody that was of, like, notoriety before.

[Clay]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

I think Mall to break, break, break that mole be the first.

[Clay]

Yeah. Influencer levels blind. That might be hard.

[Damaris]

You imagine the pods with the other.

[Rory]

Guys that would be must see tv.

[Damaris]

Around 15 other dudes.

[Clay]

Mall like having a comp. A love triangle would be hilarious.

[Mal]

See, I gotta get this. Get the fighting them in there. That's my woman now.

[Clay]

I feel like. I feel like you wouldn't. You wouldn't. You wouldn't say nothing.

[Rory]

Who's you flirting with an hour ago?

[Mal]

Yeah, for sure.

[Rory]

Don't be talking to me like this.

[Clay]

Hey, Mall would do the same thing I did in the pause when I found out AD Was talking to Matt. You. You would crash out.

[Mal]

Yeah, for sure.

[Clay]

Yeah, you would have crashed out like you talking to him.

[Rory]

I'm not mad at what you did. Finding out. That's the synopsis of the show.

[Clay]

Yeah, right.

[Rory]

To talk to all the guys.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Y'all can't talk to nobody.

[Rory]

You was talking to another dude. Yeah, that's why we here.

[Clay]

No, no, no, no.

[Mal]

Tell him you're not cutting. Talking to nobody.

[Clay]

Male ego.

[Mal]

Yeah. Nah, fuck that.

[Rory]

It's fragile.

[Clay]

It's so fragile.

[Mal]

Listen, man, I love you already. We just met, but I love. You can't talk to nobody else.

[Rory]

Would you. Would that be something you'd want to do?

[Mal]

Love is Blind. I would do Love is Blind just to have fun.

[Rory]

Even if you don't make it to, like, the honeymoon. Just you in the pods for the first year.

[Damaris]

Small. Making the honeymoon.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I don't know, man.

[Clay]

Nah, I don't know. You can't say that, because I was saying that. I was saying the same thing when I got in there, and I was like, damn, I love this girl.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Clay]

You know?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Clay]

So. Yeah.

[Rory]

But you and I'm all a little different.

[Clay]

Oh, yeah. Are you a little colder?

[Mal]

I'm a little. Nah, I'm a little older, man. I'm just, you know, cold. Yeah.

[Damaris]

Almost calcified.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Clay]

The money bags ain't got no emotion towards it.

[Mal]

Well, it's just. I'm just spreading.

[Damaris]

Purely economical economy is transaction.

[Mal]

I'm trying to keep the economy up there, you know?

[Rory]

I'm deadly serious, though. If there's a way I. I would represent Maul in that negotiation.

[Clay]

So Chelsea from season four, I think she's the head of casting. So I'm going talk to my boy Kwame. We'll see if we could put that word in for. For mall man. That would be hilarious. They got to do Love is Blind, New York. They still haven't done that, so it's a. It's a chance, man.

[Mal]

Listen, I. I don't forget a voice. I'll be in that part. Like, Brenda, is that you? And, like, I know all the behind the.

[Rory]

Also, as his Love is Blind manager. Like, if he makes it to the honeymoon and then back to the city.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Plotting with his mom and his sister that family barbecue.

[Clay]

Oh, God. Must see TV lit. Yeah.

[Mal]

If my family come together, it's lit.

[Clay]

Oh, yeah.

[Damaris]

Why is Jay here?

[Rory]

Yo, having. Having bigs at the family barbecue would be the funniest thing.

[Damaris]

Oh, my God.

[Mal]

Is that a Rockefeller?

[Clay]

Gonna give a Rockefeller chain for the gift.

[Rory]

Oh, my God.

[Mal]

Damn. Doing chaining day at the altar Proposal never got.

[Clay]

I'm a really rich guy.

[Rory]

You have to be the ring bearer.

[Clay]

Like, I gotta be there.

[Mal]

Oh, I'm definitely bringing Clay on. If I make it to the altar, Clay gotta. He gotta be. You gotta take the.

[Clay]

No, I gotta be one of the friends.

[Mal]

No, no, that. Julian, what did you do for your brother?

[Damaris]

I was the officiator. Officiate.

[Mal]

You got to do that.

[Clay]

Okay.

[Mal]

You got to do that.

[Damaris]

I literally have my license.

[Mal]

But it would be funny if Clay does it.

[Clay]

Yeah, you can do it with me, Julian. No, it'll be a B mic sharing that.

[Damaris]

Take it.

[Rory]

It'd be funny. It'd be funny for you to object.

[Clay]

You gotta be the B mic.

[Damaris]

I'll object. I would object.

[Mal]

Oh, man. Tickets available now. We will be in Atlanta November 22nd, and then December 14th, we will be here in New York City at the Gramecy Theater. Tickets available [e-mail] Damaris planning your Bachelor.

[Rory]

Party would definitely get you divorced. That would be a great episode, too.

[Mal]

Yeah. Listen, man.

[Rory]

Yo, Baby D. Putting together the bachelor party would be.

[Mal]

I'm down. Let's make it happen. Clay, my brother's seeing you, bro.

[Clay]

It's fun.

[Mal]

This is back on. Appreciate you being here, man. Love is blind season 7 the reunion is Wednesday. This Wednesday. So I guess we'll talk about it once we see it and have some fun. You got to come back whenever you get a chance to, man.

[Clay]

Yeah, I might come that. Yeah. Yeah. In Atlanta, the 26th was a live show.

[Mal]

22Nd. Yeah.

[Clay]

Oh, 22nd.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Clay]

Or I might come down for that.

[Mal]

Yeah, man.

[Rory]

I'll be out there.

[Clay]

Yeah. That'd be hard.

[Mal]

Have some fun.

[Clay]

Yeah.

[Mal]

All right, y'all. Be safe, be blessed. Have a good week. We'll talk to y'all soon. I'm that. He's just ginger. Love is blind.

[Rory]

No worrying now.