Episode 321 | Horrible Decision

Summary

Podcast Summary: New Rory & MAL - Episode 321 | "Horrible Decision"

Release Date: November 19, 2024
Hosts: Rory, Mal, Julian, and Damaris
Platform: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume

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1. Atlanta Trip and Upcoming Shows

The episode kicks off with Rory and Mal expressing excitement about an upcoming trip to Atlanta, one of Rory's favorite places. Rory mentions, "I cannot wait to get down to ATL, one of my favorite places. Always have a good time out there." (00:00-00:15). Mal adds details about ticket availability, directing listeners to newroariamal.com (00:15-00:20).

2. Analyzing the Mike Tyson vs. Jake Paul Fight

A significant portion of the discussion centers around the highly anticipated exhibition fight between Mike Tyson and Jake Paul. The hosts delve into the intricacies of the fight, debating its authenticity and contractual obligations.

• Rory critiques the nature of the fight, stating, "I feel like they killed the genre." (09:52-09:55), expressing disappointment in how such exhibitions might tarnish boxing's reputation.

• Mal questions the longevity and impact of exhibition fights, saying, "But who 40?" (09:16-09:18), highlighting the unpredictability of outcomes.

• Damaris brings up the contractual clauses that may have restricted both fighters, mentioning, "There was a clause in the contract that neither one of them can really go at each other like that at all." (08:39-08:42).

• Rory adds skepticism about the fight's authenticity, "They're not exhibition fights and give a fuck. We know what's going to happen." (09:52).

The conversation underscores concerns about the integrity of exhibition matches and their potential to overshadow genuine competitive boxing.

3. The Rise of Artist-Controlled Narratives

Transitioning from sports, the hosts discuss the evolving landscape of artists controlling their own stories through mediums like podcasts and documentaries.

• Rory expresses enthusiasm for J. Cole and Drake's upcoming project, describing it as "audio adventure Journey Oregon Trail" (36:35-36:45).

• Mal highlights the advantage artists now have in shaping their narratives, noting, "They've created content big enough to get in the ring with Mike Tyson." (10:59).

• Damaris underscores the shift from traditional documentaries to more personal, artist-led storytelling, "It's an audiobook meets podcasting." (36:05-36:10).

This segment emphasizes the increasing trend of artists taking charge of their narratives, offering listeners a more intimate and authentic glimpse into their lives and careers.

4. Critique of Bill Burr's SNL Performance

The hosts shift focus to comedy, specifically critiquing Bill Burr's recent performance on Saturday Night Live.

• Rory candidly shares his disappointment, saying, "It was, it was really the biggest waste of free Delta Wi Fi that I've ever used in my life." (11:58-12:01).

• Mal discusses the possible constraints Burr faced, "Listen, I think this is the first time everybody saw Bill Burr was like, eh." (33:29-33:31).

• Damaris and Julian echo the sentiments, with Julian stating, "That felt bad. This is the first time everybody saw Bill Byrne was like, eh." (34:26-34:31).

The hosts collectively express that Burr's performance lacked the depth and preparation they associate with his usual stand-up prowess.

5. Debating Overrated Actors: The Rock, Tom Cruise, and Nicolas Cage

A lively debate ensues about certain A-list actors and their perceived overrating in the industry.

• Rory lambasts Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, proclaiming, "The Rock stinks then." (83:58-84:00), questioning his acting versatility.

• Mal supports the critique, adding, "He's the best worst actor you've ever seen." (91:57-91:59).

• Damaris and Julian extend the discussion to other actors like Tom Cruise and Nicolas Cage, with Julian labeling Cage as "the worst acting example I've ever seen in my life." (86:07-86:17).

• Rory defends the legacy of actors like Tom Cruise's "Mission Impossible" franchise but remains critical of their acting range, "He got locked into a very lucrative franchise." (91:03-91:08).

The conversation reflects a candid and sometimes harsh evaluation of Hollywood's mainstream actors, questioning their artistic integrity despite their commercial success.

6. Farewell to the "Horrible Decisions" Podcast

In a bittersweet moment, Rory and Mal announce the conclusion of the "Horrible Decisions" podcast.

• Horrible Decisions host Damaris shares the news, stating, "Next week will be the final episode. Thank you for being a part of our story." (48:27).

• The hosts express gratitude and reflect on the podcast's impact, with Mal adding, "Shout out to Mandy and Wheezy. You guys are podcast legends." (48:42-48:50).

• Rory acknowledges the end of an era, "Horrible Decisions is closing," and commends the contributions of Cole and EB as the new faces of the brand (51:05-51:06).

The announcement marks the end of a significant chapter, with listeners and hosts alike expressing appreciation for the podcast's legacy.

7. Listener Voicemails: Coming Out and Family Dynamics

The episode features heartfelt voicemails from listeners dealing with personal struggles, particularly around coming out and familial relationships.

• Mal shares his own experience of coming out as bisexual, asking for advice: "How would y'all go about this? What would y'all do?" (103:39-104:08).

• The hosts offer supportive advice, emphasizing honesty and finding trusted family members: Damaris suggests, "Find the person that you can trust, and... come out. But don't feel the need to, quote, unquote, come out if it doesn't make you uncomfortable." (113:34-113:57).

• Rory provides practical tips, encouraging gradual disclosure and understanding family dynamics: "If you're not seriously dating... what's the point to talk to your family?" (115:05-115:16).

This segment highlights the podcast's commitment to addressing real-life issues, offering empathy and guidance to listeners navigating complex personal landscapes.

8. Tributes and Farewells

Towards the end, the hosts pay tribute to friends and colleagues who have passed away, celebrating their lives and contributions.

• Rory and Mal honor Clark Kent, sharing memories of his impact and the heartfelt moments at his funeral: "It was a beautiful night for Clark," (101:07-101:22) and "Rest in Peace, Chubby baby." (103:56-104:00).

• They also acknowledge the passing of Ken (103:56) and Chubby, expressing condolences and fond memories (103:50-103:59).

These tributes serve as poignant reminders of the community and relationships that enrich the hosts' lives.

9. Fun with Challenges and Festivals

The conversation concludes with light-hearted banter about various viral challenges and upcoming festivals.

• The hosts joke about attempting absurd challenges like the "tortilla challenge" and "sour candy challenge," showcasing their playful dynamics (55:00-60:00).

• They discuss festival experiences, including Camp Vlog and Coachella, expressing both excitement and reservations about attending (60:00-62:00).

• Rory and Mal reflect on festival performances and the evolution of live events, blending humor with genuine enthusiasm (63:00-67:00).

This final segment encapsulates the camaraderie and infectious energy that characterizes "New Rory & MAL."

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Conclusion

Episode 321 of "New Rory & MAL" weaves together in-depth discussions on high-profile sports events, critiques of entertainment industry figures, personal narratives, and heartfelt tributes. The hosts balance insightful commentary with relatable humor, creating a rich and engaging listening experience. Notably, the heartfelt farewell to the "Horrible Decisions" podcast adds emotional depth, underscoring the episode's blend of entertainment and genuine connection.

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Notable Quotes:

• Rory (00:00): "I cannot wait to get down to ATL, one of my favorite places. Always have a good time out there."

• Damaris (08:39): "There was a clause in the contract that neither one of them can really go at each other like that at all."

• Rory (09:52): "I feel like they killed the genre."

• Rory (11:58): "It was really the biggest waste of free Delta Wi Fi that I've ever used in my life."

• Larry (48:27): "Next week will be the final episode. Thank you for being a part of our story."

• Mal (103:39): "How would y'all go about this? What would y'all do?"

• Damaris (113:34): "Find the person that you can trust, and... come out. But don't feel the need to, quote, unquote, come out if it doesn't make you uncomfortable."

• Rory (101:07): "But I think this is an incredible fellow, but we still might think that he has mother issues."

These quotes encapsulate the episode's key themes and the hosts' candid perspectives.

Transcript

[Rory]

Atlanta, Georgia, and the greater Atlanta area. Whatever. Amaretta will allow us to say what is Atlanta and what's not. You guys are all welcome. Friday the 22nd. Cannot wait to get down to ATL, one of my favorite places. Always have a good time out there.

[Mal]

Mall. Love to A. Tickets available now newroariamal.com Hope to see y'all soon.

[Damaris]

New Warrior Mall.

[Rory]

Julius.

[Mal]

Julius Randall. Game window.

[Rory]

Gotcha. All right. We can stay in show business. Actually, that's worse. Keep it peace. Whatever.

[Mal]

Yo, what's up, man? You was that dog. Hey, listen, man, Listen. Nah, listen, man. Hold on.

[Rory]

Cause we.

[Mal]

I've been waiting to talk to you, man. Listen, you've been on. You've been out of town, you've been working studio. You talking to me? You've been in the studio. You've been on tmz.

[Rory]

They call you mall duffels.

[Mal]

Yo, what's up, man? What's up?

[Julian]

You're on.

[Mal]

Vlad, man. Yo, what's going on?

[Rory]

Wait, I was on tv.

[Mal]

Tmz.

[Rory]

Tmz. Oh, yes. Okay. I don't think I made the real show, though.

[Mal]

No, no, I don't think. I don't think Harvey.

[Rory]

Harvey wasn't sucking out some water watching me. They didn't talk about most hydrated man in show business.

[Mal]

Yeah, no, they didn't talk about you. Well, what's up, man? How you been? How was la?

[Rory]

It was good. It was extremely productive. You know, I really was. Studio, home, chilling, my dad. It was. It was a very productive week.

[Mal]

Oh, pops was out there with you?

[Rory]

Yeah, he flew out with me.

[Mal]

Oh, that's fine.

[Rory]

He's got surgery this week, so he was trying to get in, like, all his trips before he got to sit down for a while. So.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

Yeah, he came out and. I mean, he was explor more than I was because I was in the studio finishing mushrooms, some weed. He was. He definitely, definitely partook. He had never seen, like, weed shops that look like Walmart. He went, like, two days before me. When I landed, he was like. There were so many aisles, I didn't know what to do.

[Mal]

He was in Medmont going crazy.

[Rory]

Took him to Venice beach in the morning. Yeah, sunrise. Shit.

[Mal]

Yeah, it was dope, man.

[Rory]

No, it was definitely a good time, and it was super productive. When did LA get good food?

[Mal]

I keep telling. That's the thing that you started.

[Rory]

Okay, I know real LA has food, but we're tourists. We don't stay in the real laugh.

[Mal]

It's mad that you can't go get a sandwich from the Deli in la. That's all you.

[Rory]

That's a fact.

[Mal]

That's all you mad at. The fact that you can't go get a pastrami and turkey and cheese that you think LA doesn't have. LA has good food.

[Rory]

Speaking of Julius Randle, I can never even get a good bagel. Yeah. Like, even a pastrami Arai on Fairfax. I can't even get a good one. But I did eat like a king. I was on the other side of the hill. I got put onto a whole bunch of different food spots. I apologize. L. A. I'm here humbly to say has good. I'm sorry. You guys do have good food. I was just in West Hollywood eating Saddle Ranch every day.

[Mal]

Yeah. No, that's your pressure, which is still good.

[Julian]

That cream corn corn.

[Mal]

Yeah, like cream. But I love cream corn, me.

[Julian]

Y'all go all the way to smack.

[Mal]

Y'all go all the way to LA and can't wait to get cream corn.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah.

[Julian]

I get it every time.

[Rory]

Comes with the bowl, though.

[Mal]

Shit is nasty.

[Julian]

It's like a trough of cream corn.

[Mal]

Cream corn is like somebody threw up and they was like, fuck it. Just warm it up.

[Julian]

Yeah, I'll take two.

[Mal]

That's disgusting. Y'all look crazy.

[Rory]

Just look.

[Mal]

Baby D, why you looking at. I don't like cream corn. Baby D, why you looking at me like that?

[Damaris]

It's just the only thing you eat in LA is Saddle Ranch. Like, that's just.

[Mal]

That's dumb. That's the whites. You see them? Well, not Julian all the way, but, you know, get it.

[Julian]

Saddle Ranch has good food. It's big portions, too.

[Rory]

No, it's a good. It's a good spot for where you are.

[Mal]

Saddle ranch is BBQs. Man. Cut this.

[Rory]

The food is better than.

[Julian]

It's better.

[Mal]

They just have a mechanical bull. That's it. This BBQ's.

[Rory]

BBQs should get a mechanical bull.

[Damaris]

Y'all would not go to shut down Time Square.

[Mal]

No, literally, like, it would be way.

[Julian]

Too much going on.

[Mal]

You do care about the bull. Julian. Don't do that.

[Julian]

Damaris rode the bull you was talking.

[Mal]

About when you went there one night and they said the bull was out of order, you was mad.

[Julian]

You fought the mares, walked in and took the hat off the wall and said, I got next before she ordered her food.

[Damaris]

I didn't eat there. I just went there and rode the bull.

[Mal]

Oh, that was it.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Oh, you a real psycho. You just went there to ride the bull and walked out.

[Rory]

Well, I never Even told her she was coming to la. I went to use the bathroom. I come back out, she's sitting in my bar stool.

[Damaris]

They were being so weird to me. But we ain't gonna talk about it.

[Rory]

Because you just showed up to LA and didn't tell. Like, all right. You know how weird it would be if you had been in LA all week and one of your closest friends didn't tell you they were coming to la? You go take a piss, come out, and they're sitting in your seat.

[Julian]

It was.

[Rory]

I was. It was like, surprise. It's not my birthday.

[Damaris]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. It was. Rory was out on a birthday trip and I came to LA and didn't tell him. That's different. You were on a work trip. You weren't my friend. You were my boss. So. No, I wasn't coming to tell my boss who was working that I was also in the town. They were working in I A here.

[Julian]

Okay. Got pulled up on us at Saddle Ran.

[Damaris]

I felt bad.

[Julian]

Yeah, it's not like ran into you.

[Mal]

She just tried to drove the gps. Surprise Y.

[Damaris]

That was all N. I just.

[Mal]

How you. How you knew they.

[Damaris]

No, cuz Beer found out I was in la, so then I knew you were in.

[Mal]

We knew you were in la.

[Damaris]

Cause better. Told you I didn't know.

[Rory]

I had no idea.

[Mal]

We knew he was in la. We got the call. Well, as soon. As soon as you landed, the marriage was here. I was like, oh, word? That's what's up. I didn't know she was coming out.

[Damaris]

Yeah, when I land, they check in with me.

[Mal]

And then you called me and was like, yo, can I have your room key? Cause I want to go to the pool. I was like, I got you.

[Rory]

That's the only reason she.

[Mal]

That's the only reason she called me because she wanted to go to the pool. That was the only reason she.

[Damaris]

The calamari.

[Rory]

Tomorrow when I land, they check in with me. The 60s check in to see if they're okay.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Make sure on 60th. See if the big. See if the big homie need the corner.

[Mal]

Oh, man.

[Rory]

Anyways, can I tell you guys the most narcissistic thought I had on the plane to la?

[Mal]

One of them. Okay.

[Rory]

I don't have a lot of those. I'm. My head is a mess. I suffer from insecurities. Furthest thing from a narcissist. Yeah, whatever the opposite is. The last time I took a week off, sort of, was when Kendrick and Drake went back and forth for a Whole week.

[Mal]

Yeah, you need to go from that.

[Rory]

I was like, it would be just my luck for Kendrick, Cole, everyone to just drop this week. So then I started thinking, well, you know what? The culture can thank me because they're going to get something big this week. Because I decided to take a week off. Nothing happened. I do nothing for the culture. Everything was, the culture was completely fine.

[Mal]

Everything was okay.

[Rory]

Then I was kind of upset, like, damn, I wish something would have happened.

[Mal]

Nah. Well, some shit did happen.

[Damaris]

What happened?

[Mal]

It wasn't that too crazy, but some happened.

[Damaris]

What happened?

[Mal]

Well, I mean, since the last time we sat down, baby D. Mike Tyson and Jake Paul, Mike Tyson fight happened.

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah, that happened.

[Julian]

That wasn't big.

[Damaris]

That wasn't the culture.

[Rory]

Yeah, I apologize.

[Mal]

It was one of the most watched sporting events ever. It.

[Rory]

Sure it was big.

[Mal]

Let's not, let's keep it, let's keep it in perspective. The, the, the outcome wasn't what we expected or what we thought was going to happen.

[Rory]

The intro, middle. The entire thing wasn't.

[Mal]

Listen, man, the, the lead up, all them, hey Mike, them videos you was posting, working out, man. What happened, man? I just want to know what happened.

[Damaris]

Well, Mike got sick and was in the, and was hospitalized.

[Mal]

That's something that I factored in. I factored that in. I said, I don't know. We don't know exactly. I watched the, they had like a three, three episode series, Tyson Paul on Netflix. Watched that and they kind of documented when he had, I think an ulcer.

[Rory]

Yeah, I think he had something like that.

[Mal]

So I factored that in. I said, maybe health wise, 58 years old, you know that I've never, thank God, had to deal with an ulcer. So I don't know what that does physically. I'm sure it affects you.

[Rory]

Survivor of aids.

[Mal]

Well, he's. Mike is, listen, he's a, he's a living legend, man.

[Rory]

The best thing we got before we do get to the fight was the intro to this, which, I mean it's, it's a Tyson fight and he's notorious for having amazing rollouts for his fights. So within one week we got Mike explaining what death and legacy was to a 10 year old.

[Mal]

Loved it.

[Rory]

And then doubling down once I thought the interview was over. Oh, she calmly asked him such a nice like, you know, and Jazz, she's an amazing interviewer. I think she's gonna go on to do great, great things. I'm sure a nice question that her management, parents, everyone was like, just ask him this. Mike, 60 years old he's a deep guy now. He takes toad. He probably has a really good question about, you know, what legacy is to him and what this means for the rest of his life. He's got kids, you know, he'll probably get into like some real reflective shit. And he said, nah, we gonna die. And it doesn't matter death, just think about death. You're in the dirt. Stop thinking about your life because you're going to die. 10 year old.

[Mal]

Did he not.

[Rory]

She had nightmares that night. Did he lie?

[Mal]

No. Exactly.

[Julian]

He looked like he was ready to die in that ring.

[Mal]

Well, I mean, he.

[Damaris]

Okay, let's not. We're not going to be disrespectful.

[Julian]

I'm not disrespecting.

[Rory]

He never taken that fight.

[Julian]

It was awful. That was.

[Rory]

I agree.

[Julian]

It was awful.

[Rory]

At no point did Mike look like he was.

[Julian]

No. I feel like Jake being at least having some level of decency and respect, knew to lay off all the gas and just coast that out until the very end. He could have killed him.

[Damaris]

I'm also pretty sure, which I think I said this when we first found out this fight was happening, that there was a clause in the contract that neither one of them, that he can't get touched, that neither one of them can get knocked, can knock each other out.

[Mal]

Well, they're saying that there was clauses that it had to go at least six rounds in order for Mike to get the full 20 million. There couldn't be. Mike couldn't throw uppercuts, you couldn't throw punches. He couldn't throw uppercuts or some other shit. I don't know how true that is, but if some things came out contractually.

[Rory]

So who could actually. Broke the news, said he talked to one of the Paul brothers. And whether you guys want to laugh and say who. Kid being a source is funny if you're of a certain age, you actually know who. Kid has been reliable for a lot of gossip for the last 20 years, and he's been right every time. Said he spoke to one of the Paul brothers and there was a clause in there that they couldn't even really go at each other like that at all. Yeah, everything we saw on the screen makes sense to whatever that clause could be. Which, listen, I'm happy that both these gentlemen got money, especially Mike, because he's over. Overdue for what they did to the Cold Crush. I'm happy anytime Mike Tyson gets money. I think Jake Paul might have just ruined this amazing genre that he created. Not that he needs this money anymore, per Se. I'm sure he could retire now with the 30 million that he made.

[Mal]

But who 40?

[Rory]

Don't show my apology.

[Mal]

I don't show him that 10. You need that dime.

[Rory]

And first of all, the Paul brothers. 40 mil is just wiping the ass with that shit. Is anyone going to care about another one of these fights? Again?

[Mal]

No.

[Rory]

Like, it's done. I feel like they killed the genre.

[Mal]

You already have.

[Rory]

No one's going to go into any of these. These not exhibition fights and give a fuck. We know what's going to happen. I don't care anymore.

[Mal]

Real fighters have caught Tank. Tank Davis called out Jake Paul.

[Damaris]

Jake ain't gonna fight.

[Mal]

Of course not.

[Rory]

Some other that I would pay.

[Julian]

The current light heavyweight champion said he'd fight Jake, which to me, that's a fight worth watching. I would never watch light heavyweight.

[Mal]

I would never watch another Jake Paul.

[Julian]

The only way I would watch that one. I'm not watching him fight another old man. It' like, I'm good on, like these fights.

[Rory]

I have respect for what both these brothers did with the genre and how they made boxing. They brought boxing to another level when it definitely needed it, even if it is amateur and sort of a mockery. I'm never going to watch another one of their fights unless they come out during the rollout and say, hey, that Mike Tyson. We put in the clause that we were never going to go at each other. That fight was a hoax. And this one isn't. Look at the fine print. I'm fighting this guy. Then I'll watch a Jake Paul fight.

[Mal]

I'm done. I'm kind of off the. We got to remember, Jake Paul is a YouTube. He's. He's a streamer.

[Damaris]

This is like a content creator.

[Mal]

He's. He's a content creator. So, I mean, he's created content big enough to get in the ring with Mike Tyson. His brother created it enough to get in the ring. Didn't Logan fight Floyd?

[Rory]

Floyd, yeah, Floyd.

[Mal]

Like so, you know, they set out to do something that they probably never thought they could do, and they did that. They made a shitload of money. This fight was one of the most watched sporting events in history. They broke Netflix. Netflix wasn't even working after a while.

[Julian]

That's the biggest loser in all this. Netflix. Get your together. They look. They look crazy.

[Damaris]

And they better before they have Beyonce performing. Beyonce performing on Christmas.

[Rory]

And was it a troll on Twitter? Am I getting charged an extra $20 at the end of the month because I clicked that.

[Damaris]

I don't. They would have to alert you of that. That's probably.

[Rory]

I thought maybe that was in some.

[Damaris]

Five when they go on Facebook and say, retweet this or else your page gets deleted.

[Rory]

There goes my naive ass. Oh, gotta.

[Julian]

Yeah, this was really difficult. Just back to like the actual fight itself. It was really difficult to watch. Like, it wasn't a fun watch at all.

[Rory]

It wasn't. It was, it was really the biggest waste of free Delta Wi Fi that I've ever used in my life. But the only, the only punch that I feel like counted was Tyson's slap during the weigh in. So to me, Tyson won though. Fight.

[Mal]

Well, that was the part that was again all marketing. Of course that that sold it. They even did, like I said, three episode series on Netflix. Kind of like, you know, just to sell a fight. Leading up to it, everything was there. Everything was there. Mike was putting out videos throughout the year, training, getting into shape.

[Julian]

Yeah, he looked like Ben Simmons.

[Mal]

He looked fast, he looked sharp. Then again, he did get sick. So again we got to factor that in. But you can, you can see it. One move of Mike did his signature, you know, side to side duck and come up with the left hook. You could tell like he held it back. And even Jake saw that he could get an open shot and he jumped back and kind of like he's like.

[Julian]

I'm chill, chill, chill.

[Mal]

Like he just knew that muscle memory, like that would have been the shot that would have put him to sleep.

[Rory]

And this was on page three of our contract.

[Mal]

Yeah, you could tell Mike held back and didn't let that left hook go. And then Mike caught him with a straight left jab one point, knocked him back. It was just a basic jab and knocked Jake back on his feet. So you could tell that Mike still has the power, he still can land punches. But obviously this was a fight where certain things just weren't allowed. Like Jake Paul would have gotten seriously hurt if Mike would have let his hands loose and hit him with uppercut.

[Rory]

That's where I disagree with you and I. Yeah. Towards the end of the fight. Yeah, a 60 year old man lost some gas in the last three rounds. If there was no clause in the first three rounds, I think this is a different fight. I don't think that beats the brakes off him.

[Julian]

I think It's Tyson landed 18 punches, he didn't throw.

[Rory]

Structure where you have to go six.

[Julian]

Rounds, you can still fight. He watch his feet. I'm not talking about his hands.

[Rory]

We've seen Jake Paul fight before. He's not A bad fighter. He didn't fight.

[Julian]

He was flat footed and could hardly like catch him. It was hard, it was hard to watch. It was like, why is this guy doing this? I get it, there's money, I get all that. Like, I know why he's doing it, but I'm saying it like to think that the marketing behind this made this even a fair fight. You're looking at a 27 year old kid in his prime versus a nearly 60 year old man that just got out the hospital. What the are we talking about?

[Mal]

60 year old man went eight rounds. Was eight rounds.

[Julian]

Yeah, because they danced for 34 minutes. Whatever it was.

[Mal]

He took some hits, he threw some hits. I mean, no, I mean he did.

[Julian]

Enough to survive the fight, but it was a joke of a show.

[Mal]

But that's what we, we, we, we, we got that part. We understand that this was.

[Julian]

Jake could have killed him. That's all I'm saying.

[Rory]

To me, the only recommendation that got tainted was Jake's.

[Julian]

Jake was very nice and I have very little, few nice things to say about this kid, but he was very nice with how he handled this fight.

[Mal]

Jake, Jake could not kill Mike Tyson, all right? Jake doesn't hit hard enough to kill Mike Tyson. Mike Tyson has been hit by Mike Tyson has been hit by George Foreman.

[Julian]

Yeah, he's been hit by Lennox.

[Mal]

It doesn't matter. Like, doesn't matter.

[Julian]

These guys aren't made, they're humans. Bodies deteriorate. He's nearly 60, he can barely walk in the ring.

[Mal]

You're right, but what I'm saying is when you're a fighting machine like Mike Tyson and able to get your body. Mike was in shape. Mike ain't going there looking crazy. Mike was in there cut up, still had his size to him.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but his legs, his legs were gone.

[Julian]

The legs are just gone. The legs were gone.

[Damaris]

Yeah, his legs were not in a good position.

[Mal]

Listen, man, I just know that Mike had to. It's either all or nothing with Mike. He don't know how to go in there and give half a fight. It took a lot for him not to let his hands loose.

[Rory]

Contractually he did.

[Mal]

Yeah, no contractual, but I'm just saying he could have broke that contract and let his hands loose.

[Rory]

And that's why I can't really critique either of these fighters knowing that there was a clause that they. We're not allowed to fight in a fight.

[Mal]

Exactly.

[Rory]

And Mike, yeah, Mike is worse at not fighting than Jake Paul is at not fighting.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

Should we put it that way?

[Mal]

No, Mike doesn't know how to not fight. He's been fighting his whole life. He doesn't know how to not fight. He knew that this was obviously, you know, this is a fixed fight. It's just for entertainment. I can't go in here and really hurt this kid. Even though I feel like he could have clearly look at some of the highlights. Mike didn't let his hands loose when he had wide open shots to let his.

[Julian]

Yeah, I mean, Jake's hands were beneath his waist for more than half the fight. Like he was dropping his hands like he was.

[Mal]

It was. Punch is not coming.

[Julian]

All right, well, let's.

[Damaris]

I feel like we're all saying the same thing but a different way.

[Julian]

I. Jake would have killed him. That's what I'm saying. We watched it. He could have.

[Mal]

Nobody killed Mike in their prime.

[Julian]

You're talking about that happened in the 90s.

[Mal]

It's still. Yeah. And Jake Paul's not stronger than Hell's not strong. You think Jake Paul hits harder than George Foreman? Do you think it's harder than George Floyd Foreman?

[Julian]

You're talking about like.

[Mal]

I'm talking about not being able to kill him. I'm talking about not being able to kill him, bro. That's all.

[Julian]

Mike was in his prime. Yes. If 27 year old Mike took a hit from George Foreman, he probably wouldn't go down. Cool. Yeah, I agree with you there.

[Mal]

And do you think George Foreman hits harder? Do you think George Foreman hits harder than Jake Paul has ever hit in his life?

[Julian]

Mike also wasn't 58 fighting George Foreman.

[Mal]

Ask you a question? Do you think George Foreman hypotheticals that make any sense?

[Julian]

Let's talk about what just happened.

[Mal]

They are. They are. He's still. He's still a fighter, bro. Just because he's 58 doesn't mean he can't take a punch.

[Julian]

Okay, all right.

[Damaris]

Okay, let's.

[Mal]

Are you kidding me? He could take a punch.

[Damaris]

Let's agree to disagree. Yes, he.

[Mal]

He agree to disagree. He wouldn't have killed Mike Tyson is what I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. A no, I'm not agreeing with that. No, he would not have. He does not have a capability. This is not Nate Robinson. He's fighting. What the is wrong with you? This is Mike Tyson.

[Rory]

It's worse.

[Julian]

No, I'm saying it's worse for Mike if Mike were to fight Nate, obviously. Yeah, whatever.

[Rory]

Listen, man, Mike is not dying at Jake.

[Julian]

Look at this. F. Come on, bro. What are you guys talking about?

[Rory]

Yes, Jake Paul is Better at not fighting than. Than Mike Tyson is at not fighting.

[Julian]

Just re. Watch it. I don't know what you guys are holding on to. This glimmer of this Iron Mike facade. I get it. He was that guy.

[Rory]

Mike facade.

[Julian]

He's fighting a YouTuber.

[Rory]

We know what time it is. He's a six year old fighting a YouTuber. What? He's 50. That's Wi Fi, Mike. That's dial up mic right there. You think, you think I have Iron Mike Tyson in my head during this entire thing? No. A six year old man is getting a bag from a YouTuber that turned in to be a pretty good amateur fighter. All right, I commend it. But to know that there was more than likely a clause that no one's fighting. I can't critique either of them in this. And no, I don't think if we were going three rounds, Mike, 60 years old with no claws whatsoever, that's a completely different fight. Jake Paul has never seen the angle 6 year old Mike Tyson could do ever in his life. It's a way different fight. Kick it, cuz my Jake Paul has never seen a Mike Tyson angle in his life. How do we feel about the intros?

[Mal]

Loved it.

[Damaris]

I've ever seen him.

[Julian]

That was awesome.

[Rory]

You didn't like Jake and Logan?

[Damaris]

I literally wrote in the group chat, this is the worst intro I've ever seen in my life.

[Rory]

It was very much like suburban white kids getting some money to do an intro.

[Julian]

But wasn't that like, wasn't the whole thing for Jake's intro? Wasn't that Mike's song? I get it. Like, is that cool?

[Rory]

I wasn't mad at the car thing. It was cheesy. But I think, respectfully, they're both cheesy and I think that's why they've been successful because they have no problem being cheesy on the Internet. So yeah, they cheesed it up.

[Mal]

Now Mike turned around after he hugged his son, kissed his son, and them cheeks was out. That's when I knew what it was gonna be. I was like, yeah, this ain't gonna go the way we think, Mike.

[Damaris]

And a lot I'm saying, we ma. I meant to ask, you know, so crazy, I meant to text you right before the fight happened and say, hey, did you put your bet in? Because I remember you were saying that you didn't want to bet against Paul because you thought everybody was going to bet against Paul.

[Mal]

And I'm like, it wasn't enough of a payout. Like if I would have took Mike it wasn't. You probably won 500. If I put a thousand, I think I would have won 1500 or something like that. So it's like. It wasn't really.

[Damaris]

But the odds. You keep saying it's what we. It's different from what we all thought. You're one of the only people who thought that Mike was going to win that fight. Most people didn't think that Mike was going to win that fight.

[Mal]

No, people thought Mike was gonna win.

[Damaris]

There were some people, but you weren't in the majority. Like when you kept saying that split.

[Rory]

50, 50 on how people thought this was gonna go.

[Damaris]

Maybe it's cuz my algorithms are younger. I didn't see anybody saying that Mike was gonna win that fight.

[Rory]

It was 40. And then there was the other 10% that I think were like, we don't even know what the rules are, so how could we even gauge what this fight's gonna be?

[Mal]

But listen, based off that training that we saw Mike doing, Mike ain't. He ain't throw one of those combos yet. Not one. That's when I. You just gotta know, like, all right, he just. They had to sell a fight. They did all of that show Mike getting into shape. The win was Mike getting into shape. Being able to go eight rounds, like to. To me, that was the win. It was like, all right, Mike, you at 58, you got back in shape. You look great walking in the ring.

[Damaris]

I think that's what. And I think that's what Mike. The reason for Mike doing it, because, yeah, it could have been for money, obviously. $20 million is a lot of money outside of all the sponsorships and shit he probably got. But I think it was more mentally for Mike to prove to himself that he could get into that type of shape.

[Mal]

Yeah, it was a personal thing. He had the ulcer come back from that being in the hospital. So it became personal. Mike just wanted to see if he can get his body back to some type of condition to where he could.

[Rory]

He was in pretty good shape for the Roy Jones exhibition. But then obviously he looked better this fight, though.

[Mal]

I think.

[Rory]

I think so too.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I mean, not in the ring, but as far as physically.

[Mal]

Physically, yeah.

[Rory]

You know, my algorithms are kind of crazy with the conspiracy, so I definitely had a few tweets saying that the ass thing was Mike's humiliation ritual to get into the Illuminati. And, you know, Mike would have been in the Illuminati years ago. I don't think he's trying to get in the alumni Chapter at this point. But you know what would be all, like, humiliation. I can never say that word correctly. Ritual.

[Julian]

Do it again.

[Rory]

I would have humiliation.

[Damaris]

I would have to do only fans.

[Rory]

That's humiliation.

[Julian]

Not humiliate for me.

[Damaris]

I would be humiliated to get on camera for the world to see.

[Julian]

You don't have to get on camera.

[Damaris]

What the are we talking about?

[Julian]

There's different levels of only fans.

[Damaris]

Okay, well, that's what I was talking about. The on camera kind.

[Rory]

I feel like for the Illuminati to at least consider it in the application, it have to be with someone consensually that you. But also wouldn't want to have sex with. Like, you have to do it, so you consent, but it's with someone that would be embarrassing to have sex with. That'd be the only way. I think they'd start to, you know, put you through the vetting process. If all you have to do is show your cheeks on Netflix. The Illuminati is crowded, Mike at that.

[Mal]

I don't give a fuck. Age, man. You gonna walk around, Let the whole. How many people. Many million people watch that fight?

[Rory]

Too many.

[Mal]

They all saw Mike Ash that night. Mike ain't give a fuck.

[Damaris]

That AIDS thing sent me to the moon. It was the funniest shit I've ever seen.

[Julian]

60 million households watched.

[Rory]

Even when we talked to Mike years ago on his podcast, like, that's how Mike talks now. That did. I mean, it shocked me in what exactly he was saying. But when the quote ended with Mike Tyson, I was like, oh, that checks out.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

For those that don't know, he was saying that a lot of his friends are dead. And, you know, he feels weird about the entire thing, especially because one of his friends died of aids. And that friend and him, the same girl at the same time. Raw. And he got the aids, and Mike didn't get the aids.

[Julian]

Iron Mike.

[Rory]

So, you know, the dick being. That's. That's good.

[Damaris]

It's crazy.

[Rory]

That's God telling you you're here for.

[Mal]

A reason to fight because he got hit.

[Julian]

Like, I got hit.

[Damaris]

So he ain't wow, wow, wow.

[Rory]

And, you know. And you don't even know the connection between 50 and Mike. That goes even deeper. Like, what was 50 really talking about?

[Damaris]

Wow.

[Mal]

We know what 50 bragging about. Everybody's saying wow.

[Damaris]

Like, no, I'm saying wow that he said that line to that age thing. That was crazy.

[Rory]

H was Mike's friend. So you don't even know bragging about.

[Julian]

Skirting the aids, but your homie dies is crazy.

[Damaris]

Yo.

[Rory]

Yo. And again, I don't want to, like, make light of that situation whatsoever, but, like, imagine you getting that news from your man. It's like, yo, remember, like, when we rawed that chick together? And of course you're like, yeah, of course, bro. Like, that was our thing.

[Mal]

And that was our thing.

[Rory]

Like, you know. You know. You know when you.

[Mal]

That was a regular.

[Rory]

When you run into a friend and, like, y'all reminisce on some fun times. Like, damn, man. We was wilding back then. Yo, I got aids, though. Come again? You have what?

[Julian]

Did she die of AIDS too?

[Rory]

The I'm. He didn't get that far into detail.

[Mal]

No, I thought they both died.

[Rory]

Okay. I thought.

[Julian]

Damn.

[Mal]

I don't know.

[Julian]

Maybe Mike.

[Rory]

What do you think those three days of, like, waiting for those results would be like?

[Julian]

I think Mike was at the gym. I don't think he really cared.

[Rory]

Knowing Mike, he found out like 20 years later and never even got tested. Just like, damn.

[Damaris]

Damn. That's crazy. I'm good.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

You don't get that. You don't get tested. You don't got it.

[Rory]

That is true. That is actually a scientific fact. You cannot have an STD if you do not get tested for it.

[Julian]

Malt doesn't want to talk about this, but I'm going to force the transition. Do you guys think in this era of influencers teetering into professional sports and kind of making a lane out of it, do you think that that could happen on the Olympic level?

[Mal]

Banking on us being stupid just like the Paul brothers?

[Julian]

Well, this is the difference. With the Olympic level, this is different. Because you can't fake the Olympics.

[Mal]

He's not making the Olympics.

[Julian]

You could try.

[Mal]

Of course he can try. He's not making it.

[Rory]

Speed is an incredible athlete. Will never take that away from screamers. Yes, for sure. I mean, even whether or not. But the Olympics is not even the percentage of the NBA or the NFL. It is the smallest percentage of human beings on earth that can make it. It's 0.0001 that make it. Only six people can make it to the finals in the entire world. I'm gonna go with no. If that comes off as a hater, prove me wrong.

[Mal]

No, this is just. This is content, man. This is create content. I'm gonna race. No allows. No. Lyles is not running full full out against. What's his name? I show Speed. What is the name? Speed.

[Julian]

Yeah. Speed.

[Mal]

Speed.

[Julian]

He's not built a name built for the Olympics.

[Mal]

He's not he's not running. No allows is not running full out versus this.

[Julian]

They did a 50 meter dash and it was fairly close.

[Damaris]

No allows is jogging. Yeah, it was. He's literally jogging.

[Rory]

He's laughing at the.

[Julian]

Yeah, he's hitting high knees. Look at his form break at the end.

[Rory]

Listen. And I commenced me though, because he's closer than I ever would be, even in my top shape of track, next to Noah Lyle. So I commend him. But nah, man, the Olympics is. That's a different. Different monster. No, Laos is a different monster. Like he was having some fun.

[Julian]

He sat on a panel over the weekend and said that he hopes to participate in the 100 meter dash in 2028, which would be in LA, which he could probably set up his whole live stream. They could probably run the 100 meter dash at Kai Sonat's house in the basement. The final.

[Rory]

Damn. Kai's still streaming 30 days.

[Julian]

Yeah. Jesus Christ.

[Rory]

Going for your.

[Damaris]

He got everybody at his stream. I was looking, I'm like, why is Ari and G herbo son, he just on there doing anything? I. They pierced G herbo son's ear on stream live. I'm like, what the hell? It's cute.

[Rory]

They almost doxed the Jabberwockies. That was hilarious to me.

[Damaris]

What do you mean almost doxxed?

[Rory]

One of Kai's friends took off one of their masks and he ran into the room so no one could see him.

[Julian]

Oh, for real?

[Rory]

Yeah, it was a thing. They were trying to do this dance. I don't know if this is the exact clip when they were trying to get it, which was cool and cute. But then at one point Kai's mans grabs one of their masks and throws it off.

[Damaris]

Why would you do that? Little ignorant wine.

[Rory]

I mean, I think it was probably in the contract as well because he ran away too swiftly after the mask came off. But yeah, you know, let's not, let's not ruin the fun for what?

[Damaris]

So we never found out who the Jabberwockies were. I didn't know that they were still like anonymous. I thought they were like her. And like, eventually like it came out.

[Rory]

I. I assume that it's just, it's a dance group.

[Mal]

They just.

[Rory]

Yeah, I'm sure it's. Sometimes it's a completely different 10.

[Julian]

It's probably like the Blue Man Group where it's like there, there's no face behind the movement. It's just the, the, the unit all represents the same thing. So like they can do like the Blue Man Group could do. A show in New York and then a show in Chicago on the same night.

[Rory]

Is that really how they work?

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah. I think they have a touring. A rotating touring group, but it's like, yeah, I think there's, like, you know, some guys, but there's like, a safe per show. I don't know. Say there's, like, eight blue men that go out there per show.

[Damaris]

Blue Men.

[Julian]

And say, like, the starting rost two are not available. They have reserves that they pull up.

[Rory]

I mean, I respect it, but that's a full group and collective. Like, when MF Doom was doing it, I respected it way more. You're one guy and just send in a whole nother guy with your mask.

[Mal]

On, and people know it's not you.

[Rory]

Like, Doom was so genius. His fans got more excited when they got to see the fake Doom show because they just saw history. Like, yo, I was at the Doom show when it wasn't Doom.

[Mal]

Yeah, it wasn't Doom.

[Rory]

That's a different type of psychological warfare that you're doing with.

[Mal]

That's when you got him. That's when you got him.

[Rory]

Your fans get excited when you don't show up.

[Mal]

I'm not there, bro.

[Damaris]

I wish I would go to a Beyonce show. That's the fake Beyonce. And I get excited. I will be pissed. Oh, my God.

[Rory]

Who would be the fake Beyonce?

[Damaris]

I don't even know.

[Rory]

Carolson, probably.

[Mal]

We're not doing that.

[Rory]

I was joking. I was joking. I love Carrie.

[Mal]

We're not doing it.

[Rory]

Ms. Carrie, baby. What are you talking about?

[Mal]

I know what I'm saying. Don't ask me what I'm talking about. What are you.

[Rory]

I can't hit those notes.

[Mal]

Yeah. What are you talking about?

[Rory]

I love Miss Carrie, baby.

[Julian]

Yeah. Fred Armisen was in the Blue man group for briefly.

[Rory]

No way.

[Julian]

It's a random fact that I love. Yeah, he was one of the drummer guys.

[Rory]

That's hilarious how he got his start.

[Julian]

Yeah, it was before, I believe, before he did snl, he was in the Blue man group.

[Mal]

That's random.

[Julian]

Which is crazy.

[Rory]

That's one of those really weird Snapple facts that you'd have to return your Snapple. Like, nah, give me a real.

[Julian]

My. My money back.

[Damaris]

So did you guys watch the Bilber snl.

[Rory]

Oh, I assumed you guys maybe talked about that. You guys didn't get into it.

[Mal]

No, no.

[Rory]

Oh, we waited.

[Damaris]

We waited for you, Doppelganger.

[Julian]

I texted Rory immediately. I was like, all right.

[Rory]

You know, I. I rarely.

[Mal]

Snl. Put the straps on them.

[Rory]

Okay. Snl I'm gonna come in and try to be objective.

[Mal]

They put the strap.

[Rory]

I've never said a bad word about Bill Burr in my entire life.

[Mal]

Put the straps.

[Rory]

But I have to be objective. And really, it was tough to even get through seven minutes of Bill Burr.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Which is, hey, yo.

[Rory]

Okay, cool. All right, I'll accept it. Just don't find me, like, lamello no homo. It was tough to get through. Through Bill Burr on a Saturday night. I mo. I kind of want to go with your theory. I hope to God that Bill Burr had a completely different monologue at dress rehearsals.

[Mal]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

And then came in and was like, nah. Because it felt like he was just freestyling and pulling from. Pulling from incomplete bits that didn't even connect to the other thing. And no ideas are really fleshed out. Remember when we were talking weeks ago when it was announced, I was like, I don't. I can't see Bill Burr taking the election night thing. It's too much pressure. It feels like something he just want to leave alone and not have to get into the. No pun intended, the politics of that entire thing. Yeah. If he's doing it, he must have like the tightest three minutes ever about this shit and can't wait to do it. It's okay. You keep saying pause. I'm trying to add to it. That was like, bad. Like, what did he do all week?

[Mal]

No, I'm telling you, snl, the writers, the producers over there, obviously. I just feel like. Cause we know Bill Burr and we've seen him. He's got classic standups, classic bits. This just felt like the higher ups were like, yo, certain things we cannot say we cannot do. We're not doing that. Like, that has to be the only reason. There's no way Bill Burr went out there with his material, with his set, and this was it. Like, I feel like he had to kind of like call an audible last minute and just had to switch things up. Cause this wasn't. This wasn't the Bill Burr that we know. Not at all.

[Rory]

And I'm not sure exactly how SNL works throughout the week. I mean, I've heard other podcasts and other writers and, you know, Kenan Thompson and stuff. They write for two days, then they do rehearsals Wednesday, shoot the stuff that's not live. Thursday, Friday, they do a full rehearsal. I don't know if they do the monologue.

[Julian]

They don't. They don't cuff the monologue.

[Rory]

So.

[Julian]

Especially for a stand up comedian, they never cuff. There's no way anyone said Bill Burr, you can't do abc. And he. This is what he prepared. This is it.

[Rory]

Okay, so that's not. That's not entirely true, because the only monologue you cannot find on SNL's page anywhere is when Chappelle was discussing post Kanye West Hitler Jewish stuff that was completely taken off their. Their site. They also had plenty of jokes about child molesters. Those all stayed. But when Chappelle was talking about a certain group, it was, you know, it's fine. They have the N word's up there, too.

[Mal]

Yeah, no, but they can.

[Rory]

But. No, but Chappelle tricked them. Let me finish my thought. Chappelle did a completely different monologue during the dress rehearsals. And then because he didn't want Lorne Michaels or anyone saying anything about what he was about to discuss, then they went live and he did a whole different monologue. So to me, I don't know if Lauren and them are scared now of comics like Bill Burr that have that type of intellect level and that type of talent. We need to know every last word you're going to say. And maybe in dress rehearsals, they weren't feeling what he was saying, so he was like, in one hour. I have to go freestyle this day.

[Mal]

Yeah, whatever it was, I don't think that this is a set that Bill Burr prepared. I don't. There's obviously something that was off. We've never seen a Bill Burr set like this. And all felt like that was bad. This is the first time that's ever. I mean, if y'all know of one that happened before that I may have missed pretty well. This is the first time I think everybody saw Bill Byrne was like, eh.

[Rory]

Yeah, what the fuck?

[Mal]

Yeah, that wasn't. That didn't really land.

[Rory]

Some of the sketches were good. I mean, obviously his monologue last time was incredible. And I think pretty much every sketch he was in on the last one was amazing. There were some. Some okay ones hit or misses. I like the Buffalo Wild Wings coming off the October beer shit from the last one, the dad calls. There was a few that were funny, but I don't know, it was. It was a weird night that I was looking forward to. Maybe. I mean, maybe he'll discuss it on his podcast.

[Mal]

But he didn't say anything yet.

[Rory]

Not that I've seen and not that I know Bill Burr, but as someone that's been a huge fan of his for a very long time, he pretty much hold shit down. I don't know if we'll ever know why that happened.

[Damaris]

There's probably A contract. That too.

[Rory]

But he's also just not one of those people.

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mal]

He doesn't. He doesn't. He's not somebody that has ever. I can remember, like, making excuses or like giving explanations on what happened and why this happened and things like that. He's never really done that.

[Rory]

So I don't know. I also didn't see much like many people even talking about it, period. Like, let alone backlash. I thought the whole timeline was gonna be like, yo, this bird is awful. I didn't even see anyone discussing it.

[Mal]

Yeah, it's one of those things. You see it happen, you're like, okay, respect.

[Rory]

Respect him too much. I'm just gonna shut the up, act.

[Mal]

Like I didn't see that and watch something else now.

[Rory]

Yeah, it was very tough.

[Mal]

Tough to get still one of my favorite comedians.

[Rory]

Oh, I mean, come on. Six minutes doesn't erase an amazing 20.

[Mal]

Year career, but absolutely not.

[Rory]

I. You know, when Julian hit me, I. We had the exact same sentiments.

[Mal]

Whoa. Yeah.

[Rory]

Yikes.

[Mal]

That was tough.

[Julian]

That was. Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah. Me and Julian were definitely down after that monologue. But I know what made Julian very, very excited.

[Mal]

You know, made me up.

[Rory]

Made up Cream in his jeans.

[Julian]

Cream corn.

[Rory]

Cream made him cream corn.

[Damaris]

Makes sense.

[Mal]

Oh, man.

[Rory]

J. Cole announced that he'll be podcasting, sort of in an audio adventure Journey Oregon Trail. Pick your own adventure Sims game. That's what I took from his. His post. J. Cole and E. Will be running through the history of Cole's career in an audio excursion. They didn't fully say what it was. Cole came out on his IG and said he didn't even know what it was. So they're just calling it an audio adventure.

[Damaris]

It's an unstructured podcast. That's what it's giving.

[Rory]

That's what I thought too. Like audiobook meets podcasting.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Which I think is going to be really cool. Even Cole are great storytellers.

[Julian]

They are.

[Rory]

I'm excited for this. Sorry, podcast fans. I'm not here to hate on this at all. I'm going to enjoy every episode. I'm sure of is funny, though. Word to Elliot Wilson that Kendrick has all these guys reminiscing on their careers to remind us how good they were. How come Elliot got killed for that? Was I the only one that found that joke funny?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

After 100 gigs.

[Julian]

Reaction, all of a.

[Rory]

Sudden now everyone wants to reminisce and show us how. I mean, Puff's kids are doing it for Puffin for different reasons. But I mean, it is nice that artists are controlling their story. That is what I really do appreciate. I can't speak appreciate about this. Same way we said about artists not.

[Mal]

Always control their story.

[Rory]

No.

[Mal]

Well, artists the caliber of J. Cole.

[Rory]

And Drake there was.

[Mal]

You think Drake and J. Cole don't control their story?

[Rory]

Well, I grew up on VH1 storytellers. I'm actually that same guy's voice who I don't even know. We still don't know who the that was. That might have been the first AI voice.

[Mal]

Cool.

[Rory]

We artists never got to control their. Their story.

[Mal]

All right, cool.

[Julian]

They're not the hero behind the music.

[Rory]

Never.

[Mal]

I'm asking you, do you think Drake and J. Cole don't control them?

[Damaris]

But that's not what he said. You know, he said was, I'm happy that artists are now controlling their story because in the past, you don't remember has.

[Mal]

When has Drake and J. Cole not control this?

[Damaris]

Okay, I don't think you're.

[Rory]

I think you're.

[Mal]

I am comprehending. I'm asking you, when has Drake and J. Cole not control their story? Tell me a time.

[Rory]

I don't know. I don't know. The doc outside of an album rollout that was specific to the album that they have ever done because they were still coming up. They're just now veterans where they could do the history of their careers on their own time instead of VH1 behind the Music, where they would get 30 press people that had never met these people whatsoever and be like, a source told me that this happened. They would just have talking heads that didn't even know those artists.

[Mal]

That's never going to stop though. No matter who the artist is. You're going to have outlets, of course.

[Rory]

And mind you, I'm also fine with other people doing docs on other people. Like I think Cody doing the genius shit, even though Kanye sort of had a hand in it. Cootie telling that story was really cool to me. But I also like when artists are able to tell their own story because they were the only ones that were actually there the entire time. And this isn't like an interview where you need hard hitting questions. This is just their story and their come up. So I'd rather drake give us 100 gigs so he can show us exactly what happened that day rather than someone that happened to know. Boy Wonder's sister could go to VH1 and then get an AI voice to be like, well, then Drake cut this today. And he was really down that day. I like this. I want Eve and Cole to tell us about St. John's I don't need another Netflix doc to tell me that they were in that dorm room.

[Mal]

I'm just not Netflix when they did, wasn't able to do that.

[Rory]

They haven't been at a point in their career to do the history of their veterans now. They weren't veterans before.

[Damaris]

And he also never said that they weren't doing. He never said that they didn't do it before. He's just saying artists these days are able to do that where in the past, back in the day, the legends that we have were not able to tell their own story. The.

[Rory]

The closest thing I had to Kanye shit before he started controlling his narrative was pictures of the car accident that everyone had already seen, of his face swollen and then some guy from VH1 telling us about it because he was reading an article from the LA Times that day. That's all I got from the come up stories. Unless Kanye was talking on Last Call, I didn't know the stories.

[Mal]

It's different now with social media. You kind of get the artist's story daily.

[Rory]

But in like some of these artists.

[Mal]

No, not in doc. I mean documentaries have been around forever. But I'm just saying I think that this is a long form. Just what they would post on socials, what they would post on their story, their ig. I like it. I'm not mad at it. But when you say I'm glad that they're able to. I feel like a guy like J. Cole and. And Drake have always been able to.

[Rory]

But here's the difference.

[Damaris]

Nobody.

[Rory]

There's a. There's a big difference between if he were to post.

[Damaris]

When I'm saying nobody. It's not that nobody care. What I meant by that is they're at legendary status now. It's the same thing with Rory. Like with Elliot's joke. Like, yeah, everybody's trying to go through their careers. Yeah. Because now they're like heading towards the ender later portion of their career. Nobody wants to hear about your story when you're in the middle of your prime or like when you're like, nobody. We want you to be a legend before. We want to really, really hear about you.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's very back to narcissism. If you are doing docs about your career and you're like two albums in. That's very narcissistic.

[Julian]

Little baby did something like that.

[Rory]

Cole is now. I actually really like that. That baby doc. I don't think it was about his career in life. Like legendary status. It was really just where he was at currently.

[Julian]

Okay.

[Rory]

That's from from the early days to now. But Cole, this being his quote unquote last album, the fall off. I think it makes sense to do something like this. And let's say Lights Please came out in 2024 and he was able to post the video of him making it cool. I think it's different when someone 20 years later can look back at that footage and now have a different perspective of Lights Please at that time rather than them just posting it and us being able to see it. Yeah, I think it's way cooler.

[Mal]

Didn't he give us a document for Forest Hills?

[Rory]

Yeah, but it was more so about that specific house and what it meant.

[Mal]

It was about around the album.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

This the Come up was one of his first mixtapes. Yeah.

[Julian]

To Rory's point. This chronic his whole career that that doc which was great for the 20 forest hills one was specific just to that time period. That album a little bit of history because yeah like the home being significant, his childhood. But that was all wrapped around the theme of the album. This is going to be his whole career.

[Rory]

I'm excited for this. I like this form of audio doc type shit where you are adding in old clips. To me I think it's going to be like serial. But Cole's life and no dead bodies.

[Julian]

And what we were saying briefly before we recorded, just as someone that's spend time more with EBE not so much Cole, but just EB alone is a great storyteller. So I'm really excited to see the two of them go through these times together and kind of reminisce.

[Rory]

And Cole has been private, I would say.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I mean he's definitely given us a lot of information, but probably not at the clip of most artists his age or younger. I would love to hear about certain aspects of his. His Come up and you know, from the Come up to Lights Please which changed everything for him that went to Jay to the Come up project to then really being signed trying to find a first single with who that like. I think that's going to be having a revamp because nothing was working. And going back to mixtapes with Friday Night Lights. I think it's going to be an interesting story.

[Mal]

Is he saying that this next album the Fall of is his last album?

[Rory]

Yeah, but I never believe rappers so.

[Julian]

Question because there's a couple of things here that they don't get. They don't really give detail on this says season one. So should we expect we had ends.

[Rory]

At 2014 Forest Hills Drive. His career doesn't end then.

[Julian]

I know, but I'm saying, when do you think they would wrap up or release the next one? Because again, with the fall off still kind of looming in the background, do you think this is the beginning of another push of the rollout or what.

[Rory]

Do you think we get season one, then I think we get fall off, then maybe season two, or if he's doing another EP in between it maybe.

[Mal]

Something like that, but gave us a fall off sandwich.

[Rory]

It's La Deli sandwich. It's awful. I don't know. You don't. You don't seem impressed or excited about a documentary or just about what they're doing.

[Mal]

No, I'm. I want to see it. Yeah, I want to see. Well, hear it. I want to hear it, but I'm just trying to figure out what's. I know it's obviously a rollout album coming again. You know, it's cool to hear the stories and take us back to those. To those times when he was recording and things that was happening. That's always, you know, dope. But I'm also. I just want to hear the music, man. I want to know when we get that album.

[Rory]

And, I mean, I think it's cool too, not to again make this a big three combo at all. But I appreciate how Drake has had the same crew with him since the beginning. I love that Cole is doing this with EB who was in the dorm room with him. I love that Kendrick left and is working with his man Dave Free since. Since high school. I think that's also very special when you have the person next to you that was there for the entire thing. When you get into this type of stuff, it makes sure artists are. Are living in that moment. I'm sure a lot of their friends are like, yo, you probably didn't remember this, but this was crazy. I just think it's. It's a helpful thing that a lot of artists can't really do anymore.

[Mal]

And it's always interesting just to get, you know, the perspective of somebody that was right there.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Versus the artist. The artist perspective in that moment is always different because the artist is just thinking on a different plane. But, you know, having your best friend that was there the whole time, obviously business partners now being able to tell some of those stories and, you know, relive those moments. It's always fun when you have, you know, that. That person that could kind of go off of what you're saying, like, nah, you don't remember when this happened, though, and then that while you was doing that, I had to go down the street and pick this up. And it's always fun to have those stories, so I'm definitely looking forward to it.

[Rory]

Like, even Eve gave a tease. I think it was on it's the Reals podcast years and years ago of when he drove Cole to Roc Nation after hov heard Lights, please. They were both working at a call center in Long island or something. Skip work. And, like, you know, Eve didn't go in. Only Cole was invited at that time. And he was just sitting outside Rock's office. And, like, it had taken three hours. He's like, damn, I lost my job for this shit too.

[Mal]

Right?

[Rory]

Like, I'm sitting outside losing my job because of this, for a meeting that may not happen.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I think that perspective for people that either want to be managers or be behind the scenes is a whole nother element that makes that shit way cooler than just the people that want to be artists should be dope.

[Julian]

And Scott, who was the one, his Ben, Cole's videographer, for the majority of his career, has been chronic with them the whole time. So I believe, at least in the trailer, you can hear his voice as well. So another perspective as someone that's the content guy behind the scenes as well, so. Should be interesting.

[Mal]

We keep hearing just audio.

[Rory]

I don't.

[Julian]

I don't know.

[Rory]

The trailer was video.

[Julian]

It's kind of.

[Mal]

We don't live in a just audio era.

[Julian]

Well, the trailer is cut. The trailer does a good job. I mean, obviously you need a visual for, like, the trailer, but they do a good job of, like, showing every, like, every, you know, phrase or everything they're saying is associated with a video that fit. So there's no doubt that they have the footage and content to carry this as a. As a film, but they definitely.

[Mal]

Footage, for sure.

[Rory]

And also like the way Spotify is trying to fully move into audio podcasts, having a visual connected to it in the app. I don't doubt that with this audio experience, there will be video clips of what they're talking about. Then if they go back to just full storytelling, there'll be photos in some type of video montage way. I'm sure they'll. They'll figure it out in that regards.

[Mal]

But it's called inevitable.

[Julian]

Inevitable, yeah.

[Rory]

And we've also been hearing. I mean, not that it ever matters with Kanye rumors, but Kanye just spent a billion dollars on his doc that's supposedly about to come out. Spending a billion dollars on a doc Is insane. I have to see those line items.

[Mal]

I mean. Yeah, I just want to know, like, when, when people say things like that, can we just get like, they don't.

[Rory]

Even do that with Marvel movies. What's in the stock?

[Mal]

Billion dollars for a. A Kanye documentary. All right, man.

[Julian]

Like you shoot it on like 70 millimeter. Like what did he.

[Mal]

Yeah, I don't care what he shot that on. I watched the Avengers. Save her from that budget was a.

[Julian]

Million dollars shot on super Age.

[Mal]

So I don't care what Kanye talking about with his documentary. It wasn't a billion dollars. I know that.

[Rory]

But yeah, there has been plenty of reports that Kanye, before the year was up, was coming out with his. His full doc because he was fully on board with cooties. And then all of a sudden, like his tone shifted when it came out and was pissed. But, you know, it was weird to see Kanye change his mind.

[Mal]

Yeah. That never happens.

[Rory]

On the other side, though. Speaking of friends that are breaking up, rather than coming together to talk about their legacy, who breaking up? Horrible Decisions announced. Well, while we're recording this today, that they are done, this week will be their last episode. We have some bittersweet news to share with all of you. We have decided to end this chapter of horrible decisions. We want to take a moment to express our heartfelt gratitude for joining us on this incredible journey. Your support has meant the world. Next week will be the final episode. Thank you for being a part of our story. Shout out to Mandy and Wheezy. You guys are podcast legends. Horrible Decisions is a for sure. I mean, to me, in the history books for podcasting. You guys change podcasting. We appreciate you.

[Mal]

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Because I like to. I like to dig into what they saying. They said we're ending this chapter of horrible decisions. What does that mean?

[Damaris]

Because I wouldn't be surprised if, if they do something else, maybe a pop up live show or maybe they. They're gonna do something else. That brand is not going away. The podcast is going away.

[Rory]

They both do so much other stuff and they've been very transparent with their fans for years. Like outside of just their relationship as friends, they've had therapists on the podcast trying to get them back to being friends. They've also been very open about having other ventures and horrible kind of not being a priority to what else they're doing that they're, you know, coming in and knocking this out in one week for a season and then going about their business to do other stuff. So this wasn't really like A shock to me with this announcement. I've actually been expecting this announcement, like, five years ago.

[Mal]

Yeah. All right, cool.

[Rory]

So now I'm so happy because I.

[Mal]

Was about to say, listen, man.

[Rory]

No, I love both of them, so I'm happy it didn't happen. It's too good of a brand.

[Mal]

That's. The homies love them. But I'm just saying, like, bittersweet news. For who? Like, I think anybody that knows y'all know that. That was like, I don't even text. And I used to see new episodes. I'll be like, word. It was a surprise they still recorded because when I'm around them, it's like, yo, I don't even know if y'all speak to each other.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

So it's like, to see.

[Rory]

When we did their show in Atlanta and they were in the same green room, I was like, oh, this is refreshing.

[Mal]

Yeah. And how long ago was that? Two years ago.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

This is what I said.

[Rory]

They have their ups and downs, which they talk about. It's not anything worse feeling.

[Damaris]

But I think recently they've been in a good place. I think is mainly coming because Mandy is moving to Atlanta.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

What that mean?

[Damaris]

Well, it's harder to come to New.

[Mal]

York, to back and forth between LA and New York.

[Rory]

She's been to LA way more like.

[Mal]

That don't mean.

[Rory]

Yeah, I miss my friend. She's in LA all the time.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but I've sw. But that's what I'm saying. Like, she's in LA more now. Mandy is not. No longer in, like, New York, just waiting for her. She's gonna be in Georgia. Like, I. I don't think that it's there. It's ending because of them. I do think it's ending because of other ventures. Years.

[Mal]

Well, it's ending because of them. They decided they don't want to.

[Julian]

They don't lock in for a week and shoot like, a half a year of content.

[Rory]

Yeah, they wanted to, but I'm with Maul with the cryptic writing. We decided to end this chapter of horrible decisions.

[Julian]

Leave the door open.

[Mal]

This. This. Yeah.

[Rory]

They didn't say we decided to end horrible Decisions.

[Damaris]

You know, they're gonna make money off that brand until they can't make no more money off.

[Rory]

And they. They shouldn't. Great brand.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

But shout out to Mandy and Weezy, good luck with whatever y'all decide to do. Y'all have the support of Rory and myself and I'm sure plenty of others, so.

[Rory]

And I mean, look, Cole and Eb are now, you know, filling that void like that. The horrible decision door is closing.

[Julian]

That's the new horrible Eve.

[Damaris]

Don't be pegging people.

[Rory]

Eve is pretty much the new wheezy.

[Mal]

Is what I'm saying. That's on brand for Cole. He made a horrible decision.

[Rory]

You just couldn't. You just couldn't have a guy, man, set the screen.

[Mal]

What, you want me to do a murder?

[Rory]

What murder?

[Mal]

That's funny.

[Rory]

Oh, man. Anyways, rfk. I don't want to get into any political shit, but nothing was funnier than opening up Twitter and seeing RFK getting caught next to some. Some side chick he wasn't supposed to be with. That's like those videos when the. When the guy takes shorty to the game that he's not supposed to be with, and they end up on, like.

[Mal]

The love he was with.

[Julian]

McDonald's.

[Rory]

McDonald's.

[Mal]

Nah, but they said. They said healthy America starts Monday. They kind of leaned into it, like, it was. It was cheat weekend.

[Rory]

Like, so it's like with me when I'm like, I'm gonna stop drinking on.

[Mal]

Monday, but it's Saturday and Saturday night tonight.

[Rory]

Line up some rails.

[Mal]

That's all that was. I liked it. Yeah.

[Rory]

I'm start. I'm gonna go to the gym on Tuesday.

[Mal]

Yeah, I like that. It's not saying we're not becoming these radical, yo, let's just eat carrot and celery on the flight. Like, nah, you can still have fun. Let's eat McDonald's tonight.

[Rory]

But all them old ass men do not need that sodium. But they said they would. This was RFK getting jumped in.

[Mal]

This was his initiation. Let us know you're one of us.

[Rory]

This is their version of saying, are you wearing a wire?

[Julian]

They're hazel.

[Mal]

Look how Elon eats fries. He pours the ketchup inside the box.

[Rory]

Elon has never ate food before.

[Mal]

Yeah, this is. We still don't know if he ate that. Yeah, we still don't know if he ate that.

[Rory]

He definitely didn't. Trump definitely ate his food.

[Mal]

Did y'all see the. The UFC fight? Jon Jones?

[Rory]

I saw highlights. I didn't watch the whole thing.

[Mal]

He kicked that nigga so hard in his ribs. That's. That sport is crazy, man.

[Rory]

It's insane.

[Mal]

That sport is crazy. Every time I watch the ufc, I'm.

[Rory]

Like, oh, it's literally barbaric.

[Mal]

Yeah. I can't believe we're watching this.

[Rory]

It's odd that it's legal in, like, this sensitive time.

[Julian]

God, no.

[Rory]

You know, that's barbaric.

[Mal]

Yeah, no, that kick, like, he definitely broke a rib.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I missed the kick. Let me see.

[Mal]

He definitely broke a rib. For sure. Something broke. When you go down, like, the heel.

[Rory]

Of this, there's no way that his three or four ribs aren't shattered.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

And then you just dancing. Oh, nah.

[Julian]

He did the trump dance.

[Damaris]

Now I gotta come back with the blicky.

[Mal]

The trump dance. Gotta do the trump dance.

[Rory]

Listen, man, that sport is insane. And the fact that overseas they're trying to do the, like, bare fisted version of this is. Yeah, even Dana White was trying to get involved.

[Mal]

I don't know if, like, legally slap. What is it? Slap fest?

[Rory]

No, no, they're trying to do UFC just with no gloves.

[Mal]

I think the slap thing is worse.

[Julian]

Dana owns that too.

[Mal]

That's crazy to me because you got to just stand there and look at.

[Rory]

The IP from Ebro. That's crazy.

[Mal]

You got to just stand there, let it happen. Like, you gotta just stand there. They give you a foam bar up the hole behind your back, so you don't move your hands. And you just gotta stand there. The dude is counting, one, two, like, lining it up to your face with chalk on his hand, and you just gotta stand there. Yo, that sport is crazy.

[Rory]

I'm so happy I didn't fall for it. A few weeks ago, Kia asked me to do the tortilla challenge.

[Damaris]

Oh, damn. I'm gonna make you do that.

[Rory]

I would. We could do that here.

[Julian]

What is it?

[Rory]

Tortilla challenges. Like, you know, the bag of tortillas?

[Mal]

Like the soft tortillas?

[Rory]

Yeah, but, you know, you could buy a bunch of them. It's relatively hard in that clear bag. Yeah, it's like smackfest. One on one with the tortilla bag.

[Mal]

Oh, you smack each other with a tortilla?

[Julian]

I thought you're talking about with chips.

[Damaris]

Not with the bag. It's just a tortilla.

[Mal]

Yeah, just one tortilla.

[Damaris]

One tortilla.

[Rory]

Oh, I thought it was with a bag.

[Julian]

No, and she really hate you.

[Mal]

You know how that bag. Somebody's swinging that bag at your.

[Rory]

Wait, she pitched it to me completely wrong. I didn't watch any videos either.

[Mal]

No, she just wanted to not hit you out. Yeah, she.

[Rory]

No, but my thing was I get a turn, too. This is a setup.

[Mal]

No, you get a turn.

[Rory]

This is how. No, this is how you get charges.

[Mal]

This is the equal opportunity sport. That's all.

[Rory]

Nah, don't give me rules where I.

[Mal]

How bored do we have to be to, like, create shit like this, though?

[Rory]

I mean, we were flipping cups. We were flipping cups upside down and they landed.

[Mal]

Yeah, but that's.

[Rory]

We lost our. But like we ran out of buying.

[Mal]

The tortillas to just slap each other with them now. Oh, no. Just.

[Rory]

Okay, so all you do is smack with one tortilla. Where's the fun in that?

[Damaris]

I feel like one tortilla would hit more. That would hurt more than a bag of them.

[Julian]

You fill up your mouth with water or you're skipping a stuff.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

You put up your mouth with water and you try not to spit when somebody slaps you with the tortilla.

[Rory]

These guys are not breaking.

[Damaris]

No, they got cheap tortillas. You gotta get the strong.

[Rory]

Also NHL players, they throw fists in.

[Julian]

Each other's faces weekly.

[Mal]

Yeah. This is nothing.

[Julian]

They're all. They're missing half their teeth.

[Rory]

You know what? Is it illegal for like NHL players to train in the off season with boxers?

[Mal]

No.

[Rory]

I feel like that should be. There should be a clause. I'm all for fighting. I think it's what makes the NHL breaking is.

[Mal]

Is boxing.

[Rory]

But Joe, if they really got with a real boxer.

[Mal]

Yeah, some of them do.

[Rory]

That would be so unfair.

[Mal]

This is stupid.

[Rory]

Okay, that's all right then. Kia didn't trick me. She just want to do something cute.

[Mal]

Stupid ass.

[Julian]

Some cute. She want to hit you in the head.

[Rory]

I thought we were taking full blown rocks and smacking fire out of each other's faces.

[Damaris]

I have a sour candy challenge that I want to do with you guys. I want you guys to do.

[Mal]

I don't play some type of games anything about with food. Hot, spicy. Don't.

[Damaris]

It's sour. You won't die from source.

[Rory]

You don't survive. The mozzarella stick challenge. We made up.

[Mal]

So she ate six mozzarellas.

[Damaris]

I ate 18.

[Julian]

She had 18 over.

[Rory]

We patted those numbers a bit, but you know, I wasn't looking. We were performing 18 over.

[Mal]

Three hours, you said? Yeah, six an hour. Okay, six an hour.

[Julian]

That's chill.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

I think I had sex.

[Mal]

No, but the whole thing was.

[Rory]

You.

[Mal]

You set that off on yourself.

[Damaris]

I know. It was a doctor.

[Mal]

You stood on business. Like, I can eat that. We like damaris. You cannot eat that many mozzarella sometimes.

[Rory]

What's the sour challenge?

[Damaris]

It's just sour candy.

[Julian]

What's the candy?

[Damaris]

It's like a. Like a jawbreaker type thing. It's. It's just a sour. A very sour piece of candy. It's the most sour candy in the world. Yeah, like a warhead, but worse.

[Rory]

I come from These warhead streets, like, my DNA is designed by warheads.

[Damaris]

Ordering it tonight.

[Mal]

So you're just supposed to just put it. Pause. Put it in your mouth and see who.

[Damaris]

Who can suck on it? The pause. Suck on it the longest.

[Mal]

Yeah. No, I'm not playing that.

[Julian]

I'll win.

[Mal]

That's a sport. I never played. Who could suck on it the longest?

[Damaris]

Who could hold the sour candy in their mouth the longest?

[Julian]

Me.

[Rory]

I've ate some funky pussy before. I'll be all right.

[Damaris]

You always run into that and it make me feel like. Like you got one in mind.

[Mal]

A funky box. Yeah, I never forget the funky box.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

I was about to say ain't no way. Like, you was just eating, like, funky.

[Rory]

No, I didn't. I didn't return. I didn't make it a lifestyle. I'm thinking of one and one only.

[Mal]

Like, he was only there for one night only.

[Rory]

Yeah, I was never return customer. Did you guys ever do the saltine challenge, like back in high school? Not your high school.

[Julian]

Oh, where like, dries your mouth out.

[Rory]

Where you have to eat like eight saltines or. Yeah, something in like a minute. No, it's physically impossible, but I tried that a few.

[Julian]

What's the other thing? The Sprite in the banana.

[Damaris]

That sounds kinky.

[Julian]

No, it's like it react in the.

[Damaris]

Tailpipe thing or like bubbles or something.

[Julian]

Yeah, there's some chemical reaction. It's like the Coke Mentos kind of thing, you know?

[Mal]

First of all, who's putting the banana inside a spray bottle?

[Julian]

It's a freaky thing.

[Mal]

It's not happening. That's not going to. It's not going to work.

[Julian]

It Speed did it. He's going. And he's going to the Olympics.

[Mal]

He'll do anything.

[Julian]

That's the face of an Olympic champion.

[Rory]

Do you want to see my diet for the Olympics? Sprite and bananas.

[Julian]

Yeah, that's a thing.

[Rory]

So you eat them together or apparently.

[Julian]

It makes you do this. I'm not.

[Mal]

Sprite alone will make you do that. Yeah, I'm not getting the banana part.

[Rory]

Like, this is the way that the.

[Julian]

Banana reacts with the Sprite. I think it makes you, like. It's like the Coke and Mentos.

[Mal]

Yeah. Who'll be the first person to come up? Like, we don't ever find the origin of this shit. Like, who's the first person that thought, yo, I'm gonna eat a banana and wash it down with Sprite?

[Rory]

It'd be easier. Now, the challenges back in the day that were on like, Ebomb's World. And you'd never find out who did coke and Mentos first. Or the saltine challenge. Like, you'd never find that you have.

[Julian]

To chug a 2 liter. That's crazy.

[Rory]

No, it's like, not. The human body isn't supposed to do this.

[Mal]

I'm just not that bored.

[Rory]

Yeah, but it's for content. Yeah.

[Mal]

I just don't.

[Julian]

This guy looks like he's tried all the challenges.

[Mal]

Wait, so this challenge, that's Mr. Challenge right there.

[Rory]

Wait, so the challenge is just to try to chug a liter of Sprite?

[Julian]

I guess that's a part of it.

[Mal]

That's just stupid.

[Rory]

There's no other element to that.

[Mal]

Yeah, y'all gotta just go. Go to the gym.

[Julian]

You chug a 2 liter and then I guess you try to eat a banana. I don't know.

[Rory]

Then the potassium just hits that.

[Julian]

Yeah, it just hits those bubbles. I don't fucking know.

[Rory]

They're gonna start adding that to festivals. They'll be just a challenge stage where everyone just. Just comes up that it's popular on Tick Tock and they just challenges out there.

[Mal]

That's just stupid idea. That's a terrible idea.

[Rory]

They had a podcast stage. You don't think a challenge stage is coming soon?

[Mal]

No, I hope not. I hope not.

[Damaris]

Well, you didn't go to Camp Vlog now.

[Rory]

No, I didn't. I left the day before because I had to go be a responsible parent. But don't think it didn't cross my mind. I was definitely thinking, like, he'll be all right another day.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

OR 2.

[Damaris]

OR 2.

[Rory]

The lineup looked insane. All the clips looked incredible. Yeah. I was mad I missed it. I was. I definitely had a little fomo looking at everything.

[Julian]

It did look amazing.

[Rory]

Dochi's performance looked crazy. Her coming out on Tyler set was. Was nuts. Mustard. I don't know. It just looked like a good time. And how they had it set up, it didn't. Didn't look like super festively to me. It feels like they. They put it together differently. But, I mean, what did you guys think?

[Mal]

Dochi set was dope.

[Rory]

Yeah. It was just the set she's been doing on her tour, but with a way bigger stage.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So they were able to, like, fill it out with the background shit.

[Damaris]

But are you gonna go see her? Has she been in New York already?

[Rory]

She was at Webster, I think, one or two nights. Her tour is done. I think this was the end of it.

[Julian]

Damn. She had her ass out.

[Rory]

Whoa. In 2024, Rory.

[Julian]

Whoa.

[Rory]

She is pushing the Envelope Sexy red came out, right? Yeah.

[Damaris]

I heard that. She said sticky was about her.

[Julian]

That's all right. That's on brand.

[Damaris]

I'm gonna grab a mop. Is getting sticky in this?

[Rory]

No, that's an std.

[Mal]

No, that's somebody that just did the Sprite challenge and now you got to clean that up.

[Damaris]

I was in here. They have a tick tock sticky challenge. I was in here doing it and Mall came in and walked out. He was mad at me. I had my camera set up.

[Mal]

I wasn't mad. It's just like, that's just the world now. You don't. You might turn the corner to see somebody doing a challenge and it's like, all right, man, I'm sorry.

[Rory]

I've walked in a few times to this office and Damaris had to like all the lights on, sitting in these chairs doing challenges. But I'm not trying to take it.

[Damaris]

To the next level. Trying to get us, you know, the kids, Gen X, Gen Y, whoever the they are.

[Rory]

Julian, I'm surprised you didn't fly out to LA for the Flamp Flam cloud knock.

[Julian]

The what? No, this is one of the few festivals I haven't been to that I would like to go to, but I would like to catch Tyler when he's in New York. For sure.

[Mal]

You like the Flognall demo?

[Julian]

For sure.

[Rory]

I'm that demo too, though.

[Mal]

Nah.

[Rory]

Yeah. What?

[Damaris]

But Julian's really that demo? Because Julia wouldn't have went home to his baby.

[Mal]

You're Coachella demo.

[Rory]

No, I'm not.

[Mal]

How have you heard your album?

[Rory]

What about it is. Well, I mean, thank you if you think it's Coachella level. It is, but why do you. That's not like. It's not like Tame Impala, I think me that's like. That's Coachella vibes.

[Mal]

Yeah, but you got Coachella.

[Rory]

EO made a lot of sense on that stage at Coachella they make. Yeah, but I had them on a sound they had never been on, period. And still haven't since.

[Mal]

Okay, so who at Camp Flog Knob was on your album?

[Rory]

Jordan Ward. He's on my album.

[Julian]

There you go.

[Damaris]

I think you're like the lights out. Lights out Festival demo.

[Rory]

Hers.

[Damaris]

Festival.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah, that's Festival.

[Damaris]

Is that her?

[Mal]

Oh, lights out.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And the. The Blue Note Jazz.

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Rory]

Festival. I think I'm in that bag too.

[Mal]

But not Flogno.

[Rory]

Yeah, no, I. I would say Flog now before Coachella any day. I don't Coachella. I get it. It's an amazing festival. But it's not like my. I've only been once, and it was because EO was performing. Even to go see Frank, I wouldn't do it just because I would only be going to see Frank Ocean. I'm not those other 30 artists. I don't know if I'm running to go do that.

[Damaris]

Have you ever considered that maybe after your second or third album, you might be asked to put on a festival show?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Like, with the artists that you have.

[Rory]

I'm trying to do that for the second one.

[Damaris]

That would be cool.

[Julian]

Just Coachella.

[Rory]

I don't. I'm humble enough to know that they will not be calling for the second album.

[Mal]

You don't know that.

[Rory]

That's true.

[Mal]

You don't know that. Don't put that energy out there.

[Rory]

I agree. I didn't mean in a bad way.

[Mal]

No, I just. Yeah, but don't.

[Rory]

I respect the grind.

[Julian]

If Coachella did call, you say, this doesn't fit my sound, though.

[Rory]

What if they said we were going to invite you, but we heard the podcast and you said that you're not really our vibe. So you're calling me to tell me that you don't like me anymore?

[Julian]

No, because if anyone were to send us a clip to say, this is why we can't work with you, it would be that one.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's the clip.

[Rory]

That's the one that would get me canceled.

[Julian]

It would be you saying, I don't know. I feel like I'm a little more of a Blue Note guy. Like, oh, get him out of here.

[Rory]

I don't know, man. Going to finish up the second album. I was on TMZ like. Like, the stars are aligning January 25th. All the planets are going to be aligned and visible in the sky. And then I was on tmz. I don't think that's an accident.

[Mal]

It's happening. It's definitely happening.

[Rory]

What did y'all say about me on tmz? Because I didn't listen. You was talking.

[Mal]

Said you look like when you get.

[Rory]

Off the flight, it went way better than.

[Julian]

I'm not. I'm not gonna lie. I didn't see the clip.

[Damaris]

It was a little long winded. I could tell that the whoever was interviewing you was a fan of the podcast.

[Rory]

He was. Yeah.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Good guy.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Because he just looked, like, excited to talk to you. He was not asking you anything. We gave a about.

[Rory]

I had a 6am flight and what.

[Mal]

Was they supposed to ask Rory?

[Rory]

I agree.

[Mal]

He wasn't asking.

[Rory]

The last time I was he supposed to ask. The last time I was on tmz, they asked me something. I said, why? What are you talking to me for? Justin Bieber's inside.

[Damaris]

That wasn't the last time you were on team. Last time you were on TMZ was with mall.

[Rory]

Yeah, and I said, I'm driving my mom's Mazda. Stop talking to me about money. Yeah, I was at a 6am flight key and Amara had to go to Florida at the same time. Stayed up through the night, didn't go to sleep, landed, went to get my bag. The last thing I thought on earth would be that a TMZ camera would be in my face talking about Grammys. Yeah, but it went way better once I watched it. Two days later, I was terrified of what I said. It went better than I expected. I just look like.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, you just walk about off the flight.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Look like you slept the whole flight.

[Rory]

I tried.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but that's not what you said on Patreon.

[Mal]

All said he looked like.

[Damaris]

You said he looked like. Because Rory doesn't sleep on flights. I don't understand why he can't sleep on fights. And he probably went through three bottles of wine. That's what you said on Page. I wouldn't snitch. I didn't. Wouldn't snitch it for what?

[Rory]

You know, I have access to our Patreon.

[Mal]

You don't watch.

[Rory]

Is on my list to watch the Patreon episode this week.

[Damaris]

Are you gonna watch the other episodes you missed?

[Rory]

The ones I was on?

[Julian]

No, she was fired.

[Damaris]

We had a Minority Report episode.

[Rory]

I ended up watching Minority Report.

[Damaris]

Oh, okay.

[Rory]

That wasn't on Patreon, though. That was on.

[Julian]

I know. That was the regular.

[Rory]

This was the only Patreon episode I ever missed. Right. Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna watch it. But no, I. I did sleep. I had to lay flat. Not. Not to, like, Big League anyone.

[Julian]

No, get your.

[Mal]

You know, that's my stuff. You talking to me, baby, if I.

[Rory]

Didn'T have the lay flat, I promise you, I would have stayed up and drank three bottles of wine. I can assure you of that. But no, I got right on that flight and knocked the out.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And then woke up in LA to tmz. But, you know, just another life, you know, stay in the life for me.

[Mal]

That's it, man.

[Rory]

Get off tmz.

[Mal]

Like, get off the flights of cameras in your face like. It's tough, man.

[Rory]

Nobody knows the struggle.

[Julian]

Rory sentence to me. I said, damn you. You texted the guy to pull up on you for sure.

[Mal]

He texted his flight.

[Julian]

He sent him the drive. He said, I'll be at gate C.

[Mal]

No, you just send the flight number. Yeah, they can pull up everything.

[Julian]

Yo, yo, track me, King.

[Mal]

They know what carousel the bags is getting off at. They know everything.

[Rory]

I gave him updates. You know my bag hasn't come yet.

[Mal]

No, he got the app. They could track the flight. You got to put your flight number. Just open the app. They track the flight. They know.

[Rory]

Since Van has left, I have zero people to text at TMZ to warn them that I'm ready to land.

[Mal]

That's hilarious.

[Rory]

Which I know people do, which is kind of sick, but I get it.

[Mal]

No, you got to do that. It's media.

[Julian]

Kim popped.

[Rory]

Also, as soon as I got back from la, I found out that Kendrick Lamar was throwing footballs to Beyonce in that super bowl promo video. You don't even see the connection. You ain't see it. Everyone thought Dave Free was trying to catch punts. Nope, it was Beyonce on top of.

[Mal]

A low rider fire.

[Rory]

That's what the field looks like on the other side.

[Mal]

So Beyonce will be performing halftime, Christmas Day game. The Ravens versus the Texans. And we're probably going to get some great visuals from Cowboy Card at this game.

[Rory]

Okay, so is the game on Netflix, too?

[Damaris]

Yes. Okay, so that is another thing I wanted to mention. Netflix, for the first time, is going to air a live game, and it's going to be the Christmas game.

[Mal]

Netflix. Got to get it together. Hey, Netflix. This is Beyonce. This ain't Jake, Paul and Mike Tyson.

[Rory]

This is Beyonce on Christmas.

[Mal]

Yeah, this is Beyonce on Christmas.

[Rory]

Even children will wait to unwrap their presents.

[Mal]

I don't know who else is on the WI fi over there at Netflix, but tell them to get off. Tell them niggas to log off. Turn your Bluetooth off, everything, because y'all need them routers free and ready. Because Beyonce is going to break Netflix Christmas Day.

[Rory]

Yo, this is big, all right? I keep my cable mainly for NFL and NBA. Like, I hate having to find certain links. I just want to watch the game. Like, that's one luxury I prefer. I want to sit down and just click something. And if I'm not by my tv, I want to log into NBC, abc, espm, whatever, type in my Verizon credentials, and watch the game at the highest HD, 10, 84K, 10,000, EP, KP shit that I could watch it at. Now that this shit is going to Netflix, I know all the networks are shaking in their fucking boots on where the owners are going to Sell their TV rights next year.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

This is big. Outside of Beyonce being on this shit, this is big.

[Mal]

Yeah. The Jake Paul Tyson fight piece to cable.

[Rory]

If I can watch all NFL games on Netflix.

[Mal]

Yeah. And then obviously Beyonce doing halftime Christmas Day now on Netflix. I think they're setting the precedence of things that they're going to roll out into 2020.

[Julian]

Well, that transition's already been happening. Like the Thursday prime doesn't prime on Thursdays in the NFL.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

And which I'm not even. I'm not a big NFL guy at all. But, like, I'll be clicking around. I'm like, oh, why not? It's on streaming. Like, why not just throw it on?

[Rory]

But it also kind of goes to not even our theory, but everyone that's been paying attention to this for the past five, six years. TV is going to turn into what music labels are. There's only three companies. They're going to buy up everything else. That's why HBO Max went to just max.com. it's. It's probably Max Disney. And they'll find the third one, Amazon, and they'll just buy.

[Damaris]

You think Netflix out the running.

[Rory]

I mean, Netflix may get bought up because to your point of continuing to do this is expensive and tough. And Netflix, we've seen plenty of reports that they have been in the red for a very, very long time. Netflix spends way more money than they make. Yeah. So I could see a day that they're setting all this up and spending all this money just to value Netflix at a higher point to sell it. I could see this headache being passed on to another company.

[Damaris]

And also they're definitely like, they're testing all of this out. Like that Jake Paul and all that. That's the like, they're testing all of this out. But this game being free thing is not going to continue. Netflix is eventually going to put an ad on it. You're going to have to pay for them.

[Rory]

Oh, there'll definitely be like an extra. If you want NFL package, it's another $20. But see, I would prefer that for just the season instead of just regular cable where I may not get every game and have to buy an NFL package. If I get Netflix just plus a NFL package, I may come out better. As far as my, you know, monthly allowance on entertainment.

[Julian]

There's some version of that that. Because Disney owns espn. So Disney obviously has Disney plus, but then you can get an ESPN add on.

[Rory]

Exactly.

[Julian]

But I'm saying try to keep them separate.

[Rory]

I'm saying when the owners sell the TV rights throughout the year. Yes, Disney's banking on their them owning espn, but if Netflix is now in the running, I think that shakes things up a bit. That's all.

[Julian]

Yeah, I did. I said prime has most of all the Thursday games this year. Peacock had one game, week one this year. So it looks like they're also. NBC's in it. They've had the week one game. Packers, Eagles in Brazil forever.

[Mal]

If Jake Paul Tyson did 60 million.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

What do you think Beyonce does Christmas Day?

[Rory]

100, maybe more.

[Damaris]

100 is big. Maybe 65, 70, maybe 7.

[Mal]

I think more than that. I think if Jake Paul and Mike Tyson did 60, Beyonce feel like the.

[Julian]

Fight would be bigger than it.

[Rory]

What did Christmas Day. What did Beyonce.

[Mal]

Literally, everybody's in the house. Watch this.

[Damaris]

Fuck the game. I think you're leaving out the Beyonce part.

[Julian]

Part.

[Rory]

I think you're leaving out that the NFL meets Beyonce part. Like, I don't think I'm crazy for saying 100 million. All right, cool. 85 minimum.

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah. Both demographics.

[Mal]

I think more. And Christmas day, I think 100 is. Is, is.

[Rory]

Is definitely like everyone's in the house.

[Mal]

Yeah. Doable. Christmas day.

[Rory]

I think 100 is like, yeah, mom, dad, kid. All of us are sitting in front of the TV for an NFL game with Beyonce on Christmas Day.

[Damaris]

What was the numbers for Beyonce's Verizon ad that she did it the super bowl last year during the Usher Super Bowl.

[Rory]

The only thing. And I don't know how this metrics work, so I'm really just pulling out of my ass right now. The only thing that may it up is everyone will be on the same device that day for the first time. Like, we're all going to watch it on the big tv. The kids aren't going to go on their device. I don't know if that changes the numbers, but everyone's not going to be on set.

[Damaris]

Well, they do households because there's 60 million households, not 6.

[Rory]

But I thought they split it too. Even with devices. Sometimes if two people are watching at one time in the same house, that's still two views.

[Julian]

I feel like they should do devices. But the article that I found, everything I found about the Jake Paul Tyson one was they used the word households.

[Rory]

Okay, cool. So, yeah, I was talking out of my ass.

[Julian]

But because can some households have multiple more than one? You know what I mean? Because Netflix has like that home sharing thing where it's like if. Yeah, like to your point, if we live in the same house, but I'm watching something in My room, I think.

[Mal]

They strictly go off of. Of. Because obviously the WI fi, the router, things like that in the home, they know, okay, this is this household. That's the household.

[Rory]

They'll probably count. If you guys were watching different things, that'd still count as household. Household. But if you're watching the same thing, that's probably just. That's one stream.

[Mal]

Well, we're gonna come back after this because depending on the numbers that she does, I think it's only fair that we start talking about the next big event, which will be the super bowl and what that means for that, like how many? Because Beyonce, I think, is going to do well over 100 million households.

[Julian]

I looked like. Sorry, it looked like this. Peaked at 65 million concurrent streams to Jake Paul Tyson. 65. Yeah.

[Mal]

Yeah, man. I think Beyonce, she might double that.

[Julian]

Which was a record breaking night, Christmas Day.

[Mal]

She might double that.

[Julian]

The only other live stream event they did before this was the Brady Roast. Right?

[Rory]

Yeah. A lister himself, Chris Rock was the first one to ever do live.

[Julian]

Oh, you're right.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Yeah, right. Well, not right after the slap, but his first pop up after the slap.

[Rory]

That was the. The first experiment for live.

[Damaris]

Damn.

[Mal]

The Chappelle. Chappelle had a lot, right?

[Rory]

Not that I know of. I think it's only been Chris Rock, Tom Brady, Jake, Paul Tyson and then this NFL game.

[Julian]

Rogan's was live Snooze festival.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Julian]

I mean, am I bug? His stand up sucks.

[Rory]

I think Rogan would even say it's probably not his strongest attribute.

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah.

[Damaris]

I mean, is he a comedian or a UFC fighter?

[Julian]

He started as a comedian.

[Rory]

He started out as a martial artist when he was a kid.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

Then went into comedy, then did TV with Fear Factor. And I forgot that other show he was on.

[Damaris]

He was the Fear Factor guy.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

I always knew that he looked familiar. I used to be obsessed with Fear Factor, but I never knew where that made so much.

[Rory]

Yeah, I forgot what other show he was on before that. Then Fear Factor and still did stand up comedy, and then started podcasting early before everyone else, and now he's that. But even like, I mean, Rogan was never like the best stand up. I don't think anyone thought that.

[Mal]

Joe Rogan, as a comedian, man, like, that's not what people think about him as. He just does it. But he's not. He's not.

[Damaris]

Y'all know who has a good stand up that, like, I feel like people overlook? Well, back in the day, it was Chris Tucker had good stand up. Up I like Chris Tucker stand up.

[Rory]

But it was always good. Like he would do good like 15 minute sets on like Shaq All Star. And I think he had one 30 minute special that was good. He just. When he got like Christian and he disappeared at his peak.

[Mal]

When he got Christian.

[Damaris]

Yeah, he stopped cursing. He stopped cursing.

[Mal]

Yeah, Yeah. A comedian not cursing. I'm cool.

[Damaris]

Same like a rapper but also like.

[Mal]

Yeah, I just need my curses, man. I just add a little, you know, I mean you got a ass Nick. Throw that out there every now and then.

[Rory]

He also kind of had the neighbor Godzilla, the Eddie formula of. Right. Well, Eddie was a monster. Stand up. But then he stopped doing it because he got so popular with movies. Like Chris Tucker was a great stand up and it was like, dog, I'm doing Rush Hour 2 for 100 million.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You think I'm going to open mic tonight?

[Mal]

I'm not.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I'm not doing Caroline's. No. I'm sorry. I'm just not doing it.

[Julian]

I don't need the food.

[Mal]

Yeah. Studio just gave me 100 million to do this next Rush Hour. I'm cool.

[Rory]

Years ago, Neil Brennan asked Eddie Murphy saying this on a podcast, like why he wouldn't do stand up. And Eddie Murphy replied, because I like going to Hawaii better.

[Mal]

Like I'm not going.

[Rory]

What the fuck he's fucking doing stand up.

[Mal]

No.

[Rory]

Well, Doc Doodle 10.

[Damaris]

So is Kevin. Is Kevin the first comedian to graduate to the movies and still stick to that standup? Because we all know Kevin gets paid so much for standup. Is it because he.

[Mal]

No, no, it's a bunch of comedians that do.

[Damaris]

Who kept going like. No, I'm saying kept. After they got to the movies, they kept doing stand up. After they got so big in movies.

[Rory]

They kept doing Chris Ro. For sure.

[Damaris]

Okay. Yeah, Chris.

[Rory]

Chris. Martin Lawrence definitely took a break, but Martin did like runtail that at the. The peak of. I think his movie started.

[Mal]

Bad Boys was already out. The first one.

[Rory]

Yeah. And he would. Even though people didn't like it. Black Knight I liked that was. That was a box office movie. And I think he did run till that like the same year. So Martin definitely did it.

[Julian]

The Waynes brothers, they. I had never switch. But one of them just put out a new special.

[Mal]

Yeah, but you trying to say we all look alike. Yeah.

[Julian]

No, I'm saying I don't know which one put out the special. I think Marlon just put out a special. I think that's what he was saying on Netflix. They all look exactly like. I can't tell black people apart at all.

[Rory]

Yeah, he actually thought it was like, play brothers. They weren't even really.

[Julian]

Yeah, he just put out one.

[Rory]

That's my bro.

[Mal]

He didn't know they was related. He's like, oh, wait, you mean y'all are really brothers and sisters?

[Damaris]

My sister went back and. I'm sorry.

[Rory]

Bernie Mack.

[Julian]

Yeah, I love Bernie.

[Rory]

Cedric the Entertainer kept doing Stand up while he was doing movies. It's still been a thing.

[Mal]

I think the marriage is talking about, like, to that level.

[Damaris]

To that level.

[Rory]

Because Kev is kind of an anomaly. Like, with who?

[Julian]

Yeah, that's a different level.

[Rory]

Yeah. Kev, as far as movies and Stand up together. No, we've never seen anyone that has ever done it to that level. Level whatsoever. But, I mean, even Chappelle got.

[Julian]

There's just so few actors at that level. So to do that. A list. You mean to the A list? Yeah, to do so. To do have a list.

[Damaris]

Don't piss me off.

[Mal]

Is he.

[Rory]

I mean, I don't know.

[Mal]

He only sold out the football stadium. He did.

[Rory]

He did Jumanji 1 and 2 and then sold out the Eagle Stadium during standoff. All in one year.

[Mal]

I still don't know.

[Rory]

We gotta run the numbers, man.

[Mal]

We gotta see. I don't know.

[Rory]

He's no Brad Pitt.

[Mal]

Yeah. I mean, he's no Tom Cruise, but, you know, whatever.

[Rory]

Yeah. I mean, Kev. I do commend Kev for staying with Stand up when he definitely didn't need to. Once he got to that movie career, he was still pumping out standups at least once a year while he was doing all that that we've never seen.

[Julian]

But at the level of the level that he was at with his stand up career would make sense just financially, because, like, he's not doing. That's the thing. Like, there's a disconnect where it's like, you're usually much greater at one than the other, but Kevin was a list at both. So, like, yeah, he. He was. It was financially responsible for him to do the big blockbuster and then sell out the Lincoln Financial that same week and also get like a fucking. A half a million dollars for doing that for one night.

[Damaris]

But I also think he leveraged how popular he got in movies with, like, the mainstream audience. Because Kevin, Stand up is not astronomically. It's definitely not better than any of the comedians we named previously.

[Rory]

No. But why he did it.

[Mal]

Wait, what?

[Damaris]

Kevin Hart Stand up is not better than Bernie Mac Stand Up. It's not better than Eddie Murphy Stand up like, it's. No.

[Mal]

Oh, okay. No, I didn't understand what you were saying.

[Damaris]

Yeah, like, his. His stand up isn't as good as those guys. Those guys got big in movies, but stopped doing stand up. Really. Once they got into.

[Rory]

Well, but like, before Kev hit get super, super stardom with movies, I thought that was some of his best stand up. Yeah, but not. And I know people give Kev a lot of. For quote unquote, playing the game, but if you look at the movies he was doing, his stand up had to somewhat mirror the safeness, if that's even a word.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Of what he was doing. I didn't fault Kev for that. He was trying to take it to a different level. And you kind of have to do that. You couldn't. Like Andrew Dice Clay sold out the Garden. But, like, Dice isn't safe. He can't go be a movie star and then talk about for an hour and a half. It's just not gonna work.

[Mal]

Who's an A list that y'all feel is overrated?

[Damaris]

In what?

[Mal]

In their A listness?

[Damaris]

In their A listness.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Cause I got one.

[Damaris]

Who?

[Mal]

The Rock. He's over.

[Damaris]

All right. See, you gotta go. Gone, man. Gone with that.

[Rory]

Okay, what is he overrated at? Because he's pretty much been doing the same thing forever.

[Mal]

Exactly. Exactly. My. You just. I don't have to say nothing. It's the same.

[Rory]

Even if I don't agree with the Kev thing, I understand what people say. Kev was funny at one point, and then he became a super. A lister. Some we've never seen. And his stand up comedy suffered because of it. The Rock has been the same guy since University of Miami DN'd.

[Mal]

But that's what I'm saying. Like all of his movies, his roles, it feels like the same thing.

[Rory]

All right, that's because Arnold Schwarzenegger overrated.

[Mal]

On a source of niggas. A way better actor than the Rock. Way better. Way better. We're not doing that.

[Rory]

I don't even know if we should be comparing actors with either of them, to be quite honest.

[Damaris]

That's.

[Rory]

Neither of them can act.

[Julian]

This is one of my favorite graphics about the Rock is the screenshot from these.

[Mal]

Those are four different movies.

[Julian]

These are four different movies.

[Rory]

Wait, but are they all Jumanji? Because that's not fair.

[Damaris]

What I will say is this. This. I don't think it's that the Rock can't act. What I do think it is that there is something that works for the Rock. He's acting like he's an actor and his type, but. But I think that's on purpose. His Typ cast makes him a lot of money. I'm sure if he wanted to be an amazing actor, if the nigga wanted to go and attempt to try to be Denzel, I'm sure he could get a little bit closer to being a good actor. But I don't think that's what he's going for.

[Mal]

I think his neck won't allow him to be a good actor. His neck too big. Can't be a good actor.

[Rory]

I'm looking like looking through every single Rock movie. Right?

[Julian]

His last movie was a pretty big flop. Since we're on topical stuff. It did 34 million first debut weekend.

[Rory]

But I feel like quarter of a billion.

[Julian]

The budget was 250 million.

[Rory]

That reflects the movie business right now. So I'm not putting that on the Rock. But if you're looking at all the roles that he's taking where in this says, I'm trying to be a good actor or I'm trying to be anything that I'm trying that I'm not already.

[Damaris]

It's not his fault. He's a list.

[Mal]

I'm not this. I'm just saying, I'm the. My original question.

[Rory]

He's a who works hard, who is over.

[Mal]

Okay. It's a lot of people in Hollywood that work hard that aren't a list. I'm just saying the Rock, he be getting roles and money. And it's like, I just don't know if he's that like, I like the Rock. I with the Rock, but.

[Rory]

And I'm not having the same a lister conversation that we had before, but I'm going back to the return on investment outside of this one. The Rock. Say what you want about him. You know, when you invest this amount of money, what you're going to get back, that makes you an A lister. All these movies have gone diamond except this one.

[Damaris]

He puts dust in seats.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

It's a bunch of people that do. But I'm just saying.

[Julian]

Am I bugging, though? He's one of those names where I see and I'm like, I don't want to go see this movie.

[Rory]

Yeah. But a hundred million people do.

[Damaris]

Yeah. You're also not a family. How is it not true?

[Julian]

Look at his last movie.

[Damaris]

Well, I haven't even heard of that movie. So what I'm gonna go on.

[Rory]

You're gonna be one of those days.

[Damaris]

That they didn't advertise.

[Rory]

30 movies that go diamond. You're going to go in the movie business unless you're remaking a Marvel movie.

[Julian]

As good as your laughs at effort. Right, Mall. We say that all the time.

[Mal]

That is true.

[Rory]

All right, you're right. The Rock stinks then.

[Julian]

No, he sat down in the chair.

[Rory]

What a waste of time.

[Julian]

He sat down in a chair. This is why. This is what annoys me. By the rocks. He's like the LeBron James of, like, movies. He like. He sat down in a chair and.

[Rory]

He was like, we are just talking about people so disrespectfully because he sat.

[Julian]

Down in a chair and had a one on one and straight up said, this is like. He pretty much compared this film to Oppenheimer and said it deserves like the same imax. You need to give it the treatment that you gave Oppenheimer because it's on that level. And then it did what, three nickels in the box office.

[Damaris]

Well, did you watch it?

[Julian]

No, I'm not gonna go fucking watch it. I don't watch any of the Rock's movies.

[Rory]

Wait, hold on.

[Damaris]

You don't know if it's bad or not? Not.

[Julian]

All right, I'll take the critics word for it.

[Rory]

Anytime he's not playing like a superhero or he's like the security guard for some kid and like changes their life. He ended gang violence and gridiron gang. Like, that was a deep role.

[Mal]

That was a true story, wasn't it?

[Rory]

Yeah, there, there. Have you seen a gang since that movie? Yes, actually since the year 2006.

[Mal]

Yes.

[Rory]

Have you seen a gang since then?

[Mal]

Pull the numbers up. It might have got worse. But I like that movie, though. That was a good movie.

[Rory]

But I just feel like he wasn't a bad actor. He played. I'm not a deeper role than he usually does.

[Mal]

I'm not saying the Rock is a bad actor. Let me, let me. I'm not saying he's a bad actor.

[Rory]

I mean, we recorded it. You did say that.

[Mal]

Did I say he was a bad actor or. Yeah, he's overrated.

[Rory]

Maybe. He said overrated. I apologize.

[Mal]

I just feel like his roles are pretty much the same.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

And when you say like Arnold Schwarzenegger. When you say but Arnold Schwarzenegger roles wasn't the same.

[Rory]

He did the same thing. Action hero or like Daddy Daycare action. Like, they all do the same thing.

[Damaris]

Gabrielle Union also is another typecast actress who has a lot of the same roles, does a lot of the same things.

[Mal]

So why. Why they don't pay Gabby the same money they pay to Rock Gabby, don't.

[Damaris]

Put butts in seats like the rock put butts in seats.

[Rory]

Did you ask that question just now?

[Mal]

Why not?

[Rory]

Okay.

[Damaris]

Return on investment.

[Mal]

Black one. You're trying to say black actresses don't deserve. Okay, what that rock budget. Because it feels like that's what you.

[Rory]

Why does. Why does Angel Reese not make the exact same amount of money as LeBron James games?

[Julian]

I don't know. I can't see difference between their game.

[Rory]

Yeah. No, seriously, ask like the system is rigged.

[Julian]

High flying action Mall.

[Mal]

You said what?

[Julian]

It's high flying action.

[Mal]

The wnba? No, it is.

[Julian]

No, just Angel. She's a.

[Mal]

She's an angel.

[Julian]

Yeah, she flies.

[Rory]

But I mean, he's like. Even though Vin Diesel has probably done a few more deeper roles, but he's just. It's action. Like, when have we looked at the action hero to not be the bad actor that just entertains us with a big budget.

[Julian]

Tom Cruise is another guy I think is awful. I think he sucks.

[Damaris]

All right, guys, I think.

[Rory]

What do we think?

[Damaris]

Tom is a little.

[Rory]

Usually I'm the one that.

[Mal]

What are you guys talking about?

[Julian]

I think it's cool that he does all his own stunts and all that, but I still can't get over, like, his like, little man complex and like, how much he, like, overacts. I just don't think it's good.

[Damaris]

I do think that Tom is a. Tom is a little overrated to me. I'm not saying he's a badass.

[Mal]

Impossible series.

[Rory]

Did you just see his last movie, Top Gun? Maverick is.

[Damaris]

I watched with you.

[Mal]

You made me watch it.

[Damaris]

You made me watch it. And then time you went to the bathroom, you rewinded it.

[Rory]

I know because I went into that thinking, oh, God, here's another stinker of a remake. And I was at the edge of my seat the entire time. I. Maverick is.

[Julian]

I like that movie.

[Damaris]

It was a good movie.

[Mal]

Is a good actor. We not.

[Damaris]

Nobody said he wasn't a good actor. I think he's a. I think you guys just said. I also think that he's a little overrated. They treat him like he's the greatest thing to ever come out of acting. And I don't think that that's true, but I.

[Rory]

Did you cry during Vanilla Sky? Yes or no?

[Mal]

No.

[Damaris]

No. I didn't cry during Vanilla Sky.

[Rory]

When he took the pillow out and saw that. That it was not Cameron Diaz's titty, but it was really Penelope Cruz's titty. You didn't cry.

[Julian]

I would have cried.

[Mal]

That was American center and it was.

[Rory]

Like I was young. It was the first time, like, my mom let me watch titties on the screen.

[Julian]

First titties I saw.

[Rory]

They were great titties.

[Julian]

Titanic.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah.

[Damaris]

First titty I saw, too.

[Julian]

What's her face? Kate Winsley, right?

[Damaris]

Great titty.

[Julian]

Great titty.

[Mal]

That was the first titty you saw?

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

Magazines my dad had. Yeah.

[Mal]

No, my first tits was better than that.

[Damaris]

No, you said your first tits was Queen Latifah and that woman. Yes, you did. Yes, he did.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Looking in the mirror.

[Mal]

Yo, this is why the marriage.

[Julian]

Titanic.

[Mal]

The first titties I ever saw was Queen Latifahs.

[Damaris]

Ah, movies. You said Queen Latifah in movies.

[Mal]

You think it was Queen Latifahs?

[Julian]

Yeah. No, we're talking about in movies.

[Mal]

The first titties I saw was not Queen Latifah.

[Damaris]

Whose were they?

[Mal]

Jamie Lee Curtis.

[Julian]

Oh, yeah. But then you said whoopies or something like that.

[Rory]

On the View.

[Mal]

Yo, on the View.

[Rory]

It's a nip slip.

[Mal]

You're like, what are you talking about? Nobody's ever seen.

[Julian]

Titanic was 90. Who has seen Whoopi's titties? Maybe you. I don't know if anyone.

[Mal]

Nobody has ever seen Whoopi's titties.

[Julian]

If somebody. Street. Came in here and said, if you were to say one person in this room saw Whoopi's titties, they would point. They would guess you.

[Mal]

Because I'm the oldest person.

[Rory]

Didn't you have a love scene in Eddie?

[Mal]

I hope not. And I don't remember that she took.

[Rory]

Off her Knicks Bomber.

[Damaris]

Nah, she's never. She's never had.

[Rory]

We were the first podcast.

[Mal]

You had to Google that. Damaris. Whoopi Gover has never pulled a date.

[Rory]

Mr. Skin pop up.

[Julian]

She explains why she never did one. Yeah, because we were clamoring for one.

[Damaris]

Can we use this? If it were appropriate.

[Julian]

Maybe cut this out.

[Mal]

The YouTube character, you know, I'm not taking my clothes off.

[Damaris]

Come on.

[Mal]

Whoops.

[Damaris]

Yo, Queen Latifah is so fine.

[Mal]

This is what would happen.

[Rory]

She's very beautiful. Okay. We would settle for Whoopi's bush.

[Julian]

That's funny.

[Mal]

No, she was.

[Julian]

No, she's hating her tits.

[Rory]

I know. I'm saying if she doesn't want to do that. Keep your shirt on. Keep it nice and tight. Wired bra, show a little bush.

[Mal]

I'm cool.

[Julian]

Ms. Chokes.

[Rory]

A whooping bush.

[Mal]

Yeah. Jamie Lee Curtis. Best titties in Hollywood.

[Rory]

I just want to make it clear that those two over there Said the guy in Jerry Maguire and A Few Good Men is overrated.

[Mal]

I'm not listening to Julian. Well, no, that was demerit.

[Damaris]

But they just act like he's the greatest.

[Mal]

He's one of the greatest actors. He's one of the greatest actors.

[Damaris]

I don't.

[Rory]

As far as anything.

[Damaris]

I think he's an amazing actor, but I don't think he's one of the greatest actors that he's not Sean Penn.

[Rory]

As far as thespians go.

[Julian]

But as far as actors, great actors.

[Rory]

As far as people that like deliver a list wise. Yes, Tom Cruise may be number one.

[Mal]

Ever box office stop. He is.

[Damaris]

Y'all think Tom Cruise better than Denzel Washington?

[Rory]

No, not when it came to acting.

[Damaris]

You said number one.

[Mal]

Who said that?

[Rory]

Rory, as far as the overall, the way we talk about hov being the best and checks every single box, yes, Tom Cruise may be number one Denzel in a list. I think. I think Tom Cruise has probably done way more numbers than he has.

[Julian]

Well, of course, we're not talking. See, that's the thing. I don't even want to talk numbers.

[Rory]

That's a big part of a listers. That's why we get back to this argument all the time.

[Julian]

He got locked into a very lucrative franchise. We're talking. If we're going to discuss just skills of an actor.

[Rory]

He got locked into a. So he just had. He was an extra on.

[Julian]

No, I'm saying he became on Mission.

[Rory]

Impossible and he stumbled upon it, all right? He was walking down Sunset that day and they're like, hey, hey, youngster, you want to do Mission Impossible?

[Damaris]

No, but you don't know that Mission Impossible is going to become what it became.

[Rory]

And it became what it became because of Tom Cruise.

[Mal]

He got a point.

[Julian]

You could say that about James Bond, though. They rinse and repeat new James bond actors every 10 years.

[Mal]

They have not rinsed and repeated.

[Rory]

They are.

[Julian]

They're on their how. What version of Bond are we on? We're about to go transit.

[Mal]

They have not risked and repeated Mission Impossible.

[Julian]

So I'm saying they could like the concept is there. It's just a matter of.

[Mal]

Of he's still doing.

[Julian]

Picking a star and giving him the keys to a franchise.

[Mal]

Yeah, but he's still.

[Damaris]

By the way, Samuel Jackson is another actor who tends to play a lot of the same roles. He has differing roles, but he tends to have the same personality in a lot of roles.

[Julian]

Nicholas Cage, that doesn't make you a bad actor. Nick has range.

[Rory]

Nicholas Cage might be the worst.

[Mal]

Nicolas Cage has range.

[Damaris]

Don't do that. You guys never seen Nicholas Cage?

[Mal]

Who?

[Damaris]

You guys never seen the Family Man?

[Mal]

I've probably seen that. That. I can't remember what it was about, though. Nicholas Cage is a terrible actor.

[Rory]

No. Nicholas Cage is top three worst actors that's ever existed of all time. He has some good movies.

[Mal]

He's the best worst actor you've ever seen.

[Damaris]

Leonardo DiCaprio is a better actor than Tom Cruise.

[Mal]

Of course.

[Rory]

Actor, yes. Without question. For sure.

[Julian]

That's what I. I'm only arguing the acting.

[Rory]

Nicholas Cage and Brendan Fraser are the two worst actors I've ever seen.

[Mal]

He just won the Academy Award for the whale, didn't he? Yeah, that's up. He just got his Academy Award. He changed.

[Julian]

I grew up on the Mummy.

[Rory]

Also one of the worst actors.

[Mal]

You grew up on Encino Man?

[Julian]

The Mummy's a great movie.

[Mal]

Yo. Julian definitely grew up on Encino Man.

[Julian]

I don't know what.

[Damaris]

That wasn't the Rock.

[Julian]

No. Well, he came into it in, like, the third one.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

When's the last time you've seen Encino?

[Mal]

That's Julian. And see? No, man.

[Rory]

Nicholas Cage is maybe two good movies. What's the. Was it the Phoenix or something? With Nicholas Cage?

[Mal]

What was that about?

[Rory]

Like, they're in, like, a futuristic plane and it crashes or some.

[Julian]

That sounds fire.

[Mal]

Nicholas Cage got about four movies.

[Rory]

It might be the worst acting example I've ever seen in my life. He's got gone in 60 seconds. I'll give him. Lord of War is one of my favorite movies, but after that, I don't really know what. What?

[Mal]

Nick, that's a classic.

[Rory]

No, it's not.

[Damaris]

I can't believe you guys don't remember the Family Man.

[Mal]

Face off is a classic.

[Rory]

No, it's not. Wait, is Con Air the one I'm talking about? The worst acting example ever, when they.

[Mal]

Was transporting the convicts to another jail. And if it went down, I think Tyrese.

[Julian]

Look at the range.

[Mal]

Is it Tyrese and Conair?

[Rory]

Probably.

[Mal]

It's a black actor slash singer in Conair.

[Julian]

Yeah, they all look alike, right, Mo?

[Mal]

I think it's Tyrese, though.

[Julian]

The Wayne's brother.

[Damaris]

Now, if you were to say that Tyrese. If you were saying what you wanted to say about the Rock, about Tyrese, I would listen.

[Rory]

Tyrese is a better actor than the Rock.

[Mal]

For sure.

[Damaris]

Don't do that for sure to acting.

[Rory]

Yes, yes.

[Damaris]

I don't think that. That's true.

[Julian]

What?

[Damaris]

I don't think. I think Tyrese is not. I think Tyrese is a better actor than people give him credit for, but.

[Rory]

Tyrese is not a bad actor.

[Damaris]

I know. That's. That's what I'm.

[Mal]

He's a better actor than. Than. Than the Rock. For sure. Tyrese better actor than the Rock.

[Damaris]

Whatever.

[Mal]

The Rock is terrible, man.

[Rory]

Yeah. Come on. Four brothers. Tyrese got busy.

[Mal]

I love four brothers.

[Rory]

First of all, in Waist Deep, he had a Rock moment. He crashed a burning car into the Long beach fucking ocean with 35 cops behind him. And then the next scene, he was running down a beach in Mexico. So that means he crashed the car with all the cops behind him into the Long beach bay, and then he swam to Mexico to meet his son for his first day of school. The Rock could never.

[Mal]

I ain't gonna lie. Fast and Furious, when the Rock held that helicopter by that chain, man, I turned that off right after that, but.

[Rory]

You know, not when they went from the skyscraper to skyscraper in Dubai.

[Julian]

That was come. Those movies are.

[Rory]

That's the point of those movies.

[Mal]

When is the last time y'all watched the first Fast and Furious?

[Julian]

I'm not going to. Pretty recently, I think. I.

[Mal]

It has nothing to do where it's at now.

[Rory]

You didn't think they were going to become international crime lords. No.

[Julian]

Didn't they go into space?

[Mal]

Yes.

[Rory]

Why?

[Damaris]

The last one I seen.

[Mal]

How does that work?

[Damaris]

Seven.

[Rory]

Yo, their. Their podcast, the way Cole and E.B. is doing it. Rest in peace to Paul Walker. But those characters.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

If they. If Brian and what's Vin Diesel? Dominic. If Brian and Dominic did their look at back of what we did podcast. Like, yo, remember when we were just shutting down the street? Quarter mile. It's.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I live my life a quarter mile at the time. And then we went to space.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

That'd be the craziest podcast.

[Damaris]

Wow. Remember we thought our homeboy was dead whole time. He wasn't dead. He came back. His was dead, though. Oh, my God, bro, those movies are not bad. They do outlandish, but it's a lot like the rocks acting. Right. They know that they're being outlandish. It's done on.

[Rory]

They've leaned all the way into it.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Fast and the Furious, because the first three are unbelievable. But, you know, you can kind of believe it. The fourth one, they were like, fuck this, let's make a franchise.

[Julian]

Send it.

[Rory]

Let's. Let's have Ludacris go to space.

[Mal]

Yeah. It turned into fucking, like, Star wars type shit.

[Rory]

Now can you imagine, like, how famous these guys would be if this was real? Life, like the amount of things that they did.

[Damaris]

They would be in jail.

[Rory]

They would dedicate BBC to them every day. Just be an update on Dominic Toretto.

[Damaris]

They would. They would have been in jail by the third movie.

[Mal]

I can't believe you think Tyler in.

[Rory]

Jail on the first one isn't a.

[Mal]

Better actor than the Rock. That's crazy. I just. The Rock. I like the Rock. But you.

[Damaris]

His name.

[Rory]

Underrated movie. And what, Annapolis.

[Damaris]

Never seen it.

[Rory]

Plays a marine that's in the navy. How at the end of the movie, the main character, like, goes through the naval academy after Tyrese's tutelage at the end is like, yo know I've been a marine the whole time, bro. I didn't know I'm going to Iraq.

[Damaris]

I didn't know you could cross pollinate.

[Rory]

We probably can. And I'm just ignorant, but that just made me laugh.

[Julian]

Look at this.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah. By the second one. And Tyrese was so cool with anything Brian wanted to do. Like, I know you're not about to do that. He's like, bro, I'm about to do it.

[Mal]

He's like, all right.

[Damaris]

Ejecto sito, cuz. Yeah, these were.

[Rory]

Oh, this was a great scene too.

[Damaris]

Yeah, this was a great town.

[Julian]

My baby Paul, he went out doing what he loved.

[Mal]

Look at this.

[Rory]

And then they swan dive into this with perfect form.

[Damaris]

If you're watching. If you're listening to audio, we're watching Greg Lou Ganis.

[Julian]

It's a video called the 15 Most Ridiculous Fast and Furious action scenes. All right, come on.

[Rory]

Running up the train that's running up a locomotive that's falling. And then the chick that. That. That lost her brain fire.

[Damaris]

Oh, my. That. Those movies are so good, bro.

[Julian]

All right, we can't keep. That's ridiculous. All right. Mall. Are you going to pay? Lamelo's fine.

[Rory]

It's your fault.

[Julian]

It's your fault.

[Mal]

No, Lamelo Ball is just young and.

[Rory]

And dumb and balling currently.

[Mal]

Oh, no, he's hooping. You said that last play when he took the shot. Yeah, we loaded up.

[Rory]

That's what we wanted. It's just.

[Mal]

That's not even. That's not even. No way to even say that.

[Rory]

That's. That.

[Mal]

Load it up.

[Rory]

That's my issue with it, unfortunately.

[Julian]

It's like you just bad use.

[Mal]

You just. Yeah, y'all just the y ends just be saying and doing. It's like. Well, you. That's not even a place to say no. Homo. Yeah, you don't even say that. You say pause.

[Julian]

You think they find.

[Rory]

I don't even think it's a fact.

[Julian]

He appropriately. He didn't use it appropriately. That's how they. That's why.

[Mal]

That's why they find them. Because it wasn't supposed to say that. If he would have give me 150.

[Rory]

000, yo, I got behind him and loaded up, then be like, all right. Pause.

[Mal]

Oh, if he said, yo, the D was collapsing.

[Damaris]

Pause.

[Mal]

Exactly.

[Damaris]

The pause is when you do the offensible shit. But like, the no homo is when you calling somebody else out. They playing by the wrong rules.

[Mal]

Yeah, but nobody even says that no more.

[Rory]

I have not heard no homo a really long time.

[Mal]

He don't even say that. He should have got fined for that.

[Rory]

I. I agree. Cause I mean, even like.

[Damaris]

Cause pause. They wouldn't even caught on pause.

[Julian]

He wouldn't have been fucking Shaq and Charles Paws every damn night on tnt.

[Rory]

Right on the Shaq be waiting for.

[Mal]

Charles to say something crazy.

[Rory]

Right? Right. On espn, they were interviewing Spike Lee and he said he likes dick. And the guy was like, pause.

[Julian]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

He said, it's a good dick.

[Mal]

I like Frank. I like dick. What else he said?

[Rory]

He said, it's a great, great night in New York. I like Frank.

[Mal]

I like dick. Pause.

[Damaris]

That's crazy.

[Rory]

Like Fred like dick.

[Damaris]

You know, the pick that polite ass. Pause. Pause.

[Julian]

The news report.

[Damaris]

He was like, waiting for him to say. And he was like, oh, you're not gonna pause? I'm gonna pause you.

[Mal]

And Spike kept. Spike didn't even know what he was talking about.

[Rory]

No.

[Mal]

Like, whatever.

[Rory]

But yeah, Lamelo should have been fine.

[Julian]

100 grand.

[Rory]

Shouldn't be saying that.

[Mal]

Lamello hooping, though.

[Julian]

You got it.

[Mal]

He playing ball.

[Julian]

He was 100 grand on that contract.

[Rory]

Yeah. I mean, come on, you. Where's he In Charlotte was a very, very low overhead pissing 100 grand right now.

[Mal]

Shout out to Pusha T man. Opened up his coffee shop.

[Rory]

Yeah. Called Grinding.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Fire.

[Mal]

I like that.

[Rory]

Does he dare serve a pusha T?

[Mal]

Shout out to Pusha T. Roy wrote that before Jada Kiss opened up a coffee shop a few. A few years ago as well, too. Right, Jada? I think Jada has. He has a line of coffee and a coffee shop, I believe.

[Rory]

Well, yeah. Grinding is a great name for coffee. Coffee. And I love that he was serving it. That wasn't an entire.

[Julian]

I'm surprised he's not just serving coke.

[Rory]

We're gonna get a lot of bars on this next project. A lot of entendres between coffee and what I was serving before and they probably got a. I think we're getting a foam reference.

[Julian]

They probably got. A powdered donut would be great. Everything's covered in white powder.

[Rory]

They only sell espresso in grams. Yeah, I like the theme, but I also, I love seeing, you know, artists make this move and then also be so hands on. Like, you know, you could catch Bun B at a festival serving his burgers at the stand. Like, I think that is really cool. So congrats to him. Love to see that. Rest in peace to DJ Clark Kent. Maul and I went to his funeral and his Repass. It was an amazing, amazing night as far as representing who Clark was.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And you know, it always sucks to see so many faces at times like that, but it is also like, gives a little light and reassurance to everything. A lot of great Clark stories. Pusha T did press Maul. That did happen at the Repass. I think Clark was smiling, watching that entire thing from above. Just watching Push be like, yo, what's up, man?

[Mal]

He just said, what's up? He just. That was it. Like, shook my head, what's up? Like, all right, cool. But he laughed. Like, we both just laughed at each other. Like, you know, it's cool pushing off with him, man. That's all.

[Rory]

But yeah, it was. It was definitely a. A beautiful day in. In. In sending. Sending Clark off his. His wife's. I. I guess you would call it. Eulogy was. Was beautiful.

[Mal]

Yeah, it was a beautiful service, man. Beautiful service.

[Rory]

Stretch from stretching. Bob had an incredible speech. Angie Martinez had an incredible speech. DJ Scratch brought me to tears. Like, it was. It was just a beautiful night for Clark and they were filming everything. And I think people know that they have been shooting a Clark documentary. So I do hope people get to see that, that beautiful send off because it was. It was good.

[Mal]

It was a very, very beautiful service.

[Rory]

Clark deserved for a beautiful person.

[Mal]

Absolutely. Rest in peace to Clark. Ken, also a rest in peace. Chubby, baby.

[Rory]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mal]

We lost him a few days after Clark's funeral. Bronx legend, one of the nicest guys you would ever meet. You know, definitely had a hand in helping a lot of careers, you know, made his stamp in Atlanta, helped a lot of the biggest artists out of Atlanta. Everybody. Anybody that came into contact with Chubby that worked with him has nothing but beautiful things to say about him. Just an all around great guy. Hard worker, always went hard for his team and the people around him. So we want to send a prayers and condolences to his family. Rest in Peace, chubby baby.

[Rory]

For sure. Do we have voicemails?

[Julian]

We do.

[Rory]

You've got mail.

[Julian]

This is a fun one. I think Mall, of all people, will have a blast. All right, Joe.

[Mal]

I'm gonna make my question pretty brief. Calling from the dmv, but I had a question. I already know how I'm gonna handle.

[Rory]

The situation, but I just wanted to.

[Mal]

Preface this by saying I am bisexual. I've.

[Rory]

Mall is who you thought to answer this.

[Julian]

Any initial thoughts? Mall, we got a bi man calling in.

[Damaris]

What thoughts?

[Julian]

Is that a real thing? Let's hear we come around. Okay, bye. Guys can exist.

[Mal]

Okay. Known that I was bisexual pretty much ever since I was in College.

[Rory]

I'm 26 now, so it's been a.

[Mal]

Few years since I've come to this realization, but I've never really acted on it until I got to college or like a little bit post college. So I've been outside for the last two years mingling with men, women, and all. My partners are very receptive to this newfound discovery of mine. But my family, friends, they don't really know. Not that they're homophobic. I just never volunteered that information with them ever before.

[Rory]

So no one really knows.

[Mal]

I've never really dated anyone or been in a serious relationship with anyone, male or female, kind of around. That's why. But I've always been very fairly private with my. My rendezvous, if you will. But I am wanting to come out.

[Rory]

Now because I'm starting to, you know.

[Mal]

Mature a little bit more. You know, it's getting colder out. It's cuffing season, so I'm not necessarily looking settle down.

[Rory]

But I do want to be a.

[Mal]

Little bit more honest about who I'm.

[Rory]

Seeing with my family and friends.

[Mal]

If y'all were in my situation, how would y'all go about this? What would y'all do? Julian, please. I would love your responses. First and foremost, as a gay man yourself, I bet you didn't.

[Rory]

Wouldn't have played that voicemail if that was there, huh?

[Mal]

Yeah. Now you're cutting out. You want your response as a gay man?

[Julian]

No, but the buy stuff mall to go.

[Mal]

Well, first of all, your family knows. They may not say. They may not bring it up to you, but if you haven't ever dated anybody, seriously, you got that one uncle, he know, he just like it.

[Rory]

You haven't dated anyone seriously.

[Mal]

That's not true.

[Rory]

But for like, the pod, we say that.

[Mal]

Okay. Yeah, but I'm in real life. Yeah. My family has met women that I've dated.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Damaris]

And people also do call him gay all the time for that exact reason. So he's prime.

[Rory]

Okay? Everything checks out.

[Mal]

They call me gay because I don't have a girlfriend.

[Damaris]

They call you gay because the story is that you haven't had any serious relationships or serious girls.

[Rory]

Anytime I didn't have a girlfriend, that's what my grandmother called me.

[Mal]

Yeah. I mean, but his family knows. I think that you just listen this 2024, going into 2025, gay, straight, that people don't. People are. More. People want to know who you voted for more than your sexuality. At this point, they don't even care about your sexuality. That doesn't. That's not as taboo as it used to be. I think anybody that get upset or is bothered by anyone's sexuality is that person is weird because I don't care what anybody is doing as long as they're a consenting adult. So just let your family know, like, listen, I date women. You know, I date guys too. You know, it is what it is. I don't think it's a. A tough thing to have to sit around. I mean, you're grown. I don't know. How old did he say he was?

[Julian]

Did he say 26.

[Mal]

26 years old. Listen, man, it is what it is at this point. You are who you are. Be proud of who you are and, you know, let your family know that that's. This is the. The type of dating scene that you're into. You like men and women.

[Rory]

My gaydar has never been advanced enough to, like, pick out someone that was bi and saying that his family knows. I've never been like, that guy's bi. I've had ideas of when men were gay, but bi is a. That's a different level of radar to me, I guess. Maybe.

[Mal]

Well, you know why it's a different level? You know why I think it's a different level?

[Rory]

Because they're just gay. Okay, got you.

[Mal]

Gotcha. Yeah.

[Rory]

I don't think he needs to tell his family anything. If you're not seriously dating and just kind of playing the field, and that's not something that is super serious as far as looking and seeking out a relationship until that moment comes, what's the point to talk to your family? I don't. When I was just around, I didn't go to my mom like, like, yo, just to let you know, like, I'm mad right now. Like, I never did that I would tell her when I was taking something serious. Now.

[Mal]

No, but your family never approached you. Like, yo, you don't. You don't we got a girlfriend? You're not dating nobody.

[Rory]

My mom has said, hey, do you find any white women attractive? That was the only time they've come to me. Asked you that one time. Yeah, she had been drinking.

[Mal]

I was like, Marco Roby.

[Rory]

Hell no, Margo, that's not what you said.

[Damaris]

You did not tell your mom.

[Rory]

I said, yeah, I do.

[Julian]

Said Kate Winslet in Titanic.

[Rory]

That popped the whole thing off. And you see where I went?

[Mal]

Margo. Margo.

[Rory]

Extremely Wolf of Wall Street.

[Mal]

Jesus.

[Damaris]

Duchess of Bay Rig.

[Julian]

God damn.

[Rory]

Yeah, but if you end up, you know, falling for a guy and you want him to meet the family, then you can have that conversation with your family. Like, hey, before you meet this person, just to let you know, he's a guy. I'm bisexual. I know you guys have met women of mine in the past, but I also, you know, know Mr. October swings from both. Both sides of the. The plate.

[Damaris]

As long as you. As long. I think the only time you're not staying true to yourself. I'm trying to step on Rory's joke.

[Julian]

The analogy.

[Damaris]

I think the only time.

[Rory]

It was a great analogy.

[Damaris]

No, the only time you're not being true to yourself is when you pretend to be straight. You don't have to let everybody know that you're bisexual, but you also don't have to pretend to be straight because pretending to be straight is pretending to be somebody that you're not, but just not telling people that you're bisexual just because it's just none of their business. And also, it also depends on your family, because Mall is saying it's 2024. People shouldn't care. But in some places in the south and some places in rural areas, some people really do not play that. Gay city, too.

[Mal]

Yeah, but we kind of talk about.

[Julian]

Like, that's all people don't play about. Gay.

[Mal]

Yeah, people.

[Damaris]

People do not play that game.

[Julian]

The world's not over that yet. Yeah, people hate.

[Damaris]

Especially with men, especially.

[Mal]

But people are going to hate what they're. What they want to hate forever. I'm just saying, like, now it's not as taboo.

[Damaris]

Not as taboo, but it is still taboo.

[Rory]

Taboo?

[Mal]

I don't think so.

[Julian]

It definitely is.

[Damaris]

Being bisexual is taboo. You just said that you think bisexual people are still.

[Rory]

To be honest, at Thanksgiving, I think that would be a crazier thing to break to the family rather than being like, hey, I'm a gay man. Yeah, I. I really.

[Damaris]

They don't understand. They can't put you in a box.

[Rory]

I think with A woman. It'd be a little bit less taboo and a bit more understanding. But I think if a 26 year old man came to Thanksgiving dinner and said, hey, I'm gay, it would be. He received way better than, hey, I'm bisexual.

[Mal]

They would throw out the place that he.

[Rory]

Way more questions.

[Mal]

They break the place that he used.

[Julian]

Burn the sheets, bury them because it.

[Rory]

Wasn'T kosher, bury that place and ride.

[Mal]

Around horses at night.

[Julian]

I don't think you should hide it from his family. I think he's proud. Like, I think he. It's cool that he's at a place now where he's comfortable with wanting to tell his family. And if that's next for what makes you comfortable, then do that. I don't think you need to like, like grab a guy and be like, I'm sucking his dick, I'm straight and get. Or whatever. Bye.

[Mal]

You don't have to say I'm sucking.

[Julian]

See, but I mean, Rory's point is like, wait till you find that person.

[Mal]

Yeah, but you just find a way to just always.

[Julian]

I'm just. I don't think he needs to have a person to do that. I think he could just be like, hey, look, find whichever family member you're more comfortable with.

[Mal]

You cannot just pop up to the family dinner with if you're gay with.

[Rory]

If you have like a trusting cousin or a trusting uncle and they ask you like, yo, what's going on with the dating scene? You're 26. Like, I know you know, there you go, you're in your 20s, whatever. That could be a moment to be like, hey, Unc, just let you know, like, yeah, I'm out there right now, but I have a lot of options. It'll be like, why do you. Why do you have a lot of options?

[Mal]

That's how the conversation is gonna go. If you think that's not because I'm.

[Rory]

Picking from both sides.

[Mal]

Yeah, I know.

[Rory]

I have the whole population.

[Mal]

Conversation is not gonna go like, you.

[Julian]

Should find that one older or a cousin, but like an older adult figure in his family that he knows is like cool and would be easy to break the ice wave.

[Mal]

It got to be a female cousin, a female in your family.

[Julian]

Hopefully. Best case scenario. I mean, I don't know his parents situation, but best case scenario would be like, go to your mom because all right, he's 20. Hey, Ma, this is.

[Mal]

His parents are probably in their 50s, 60s, right? Early 60s maybe. Right.

[Rory]

Depending.

[Mal]

I just feel like they grew up in the time too where that shit is Just like it's not as. It's like, okay, like we ain't tripping. Like, I just feel like that that energy is kind of fading out because, you know, again, we see it all the time. Everybody workplace and people are quieter about it.

[Damaris]

You would. Yeah, I was gonna say, you would think racism will fade out. So everybody's like, yeah, racism is going to be eradicated. Because no people teach hate. Hate is passed down generation through generation.

[Mal]

No, for sure. And that's why it's never going to be completely like obsolete. It's always going to be people that's going to be kind of like, you know, weirded out about somebody being bisexual or gay or whatever. But I just feel like it's not as prevalent as it used to be. I feel like it's more like. I feel like he'll tell his family, they'll be like, nigga, you think we didn't know that? Like, go sit your ass down the living room. We don't give a fuck.

[Rory]

To Damaris's point, there's a great. A lister Chris Rock analogy with that. They changed the Triborough Bridge to the RFK Bridge. Nobody calls that shit the RFK Bridge unless you were just got here. There's deep rooted history and everyone is going to continue to call that shit the Triborough Bridge. Just because you rename it doesn't mean we've all just decided that's what it is now. It's the same thing with racism and homophobia. Just because you change the laws or people are supposed to act a certain way doesn't mean people are not passed down. Generational hate for shit.

[Mal]

No, no, generational hate is passed down. I just feel like it's not as much as it used to be. I feel like a lot of those people are much older, you know, just the generation now obviously is the most outspoken vocal about sexuality than it's probably ever been. Which is why I don't think it's as taboo as it once was. Because you see sex and sexuality everywhere.

[Rory]

I do think bisexual males is still in that taboo care like category. I don't think that's as accepting as gay men. I'm just talking about from my view.

[Damaris]

Women aren't the kindest to them either. When you guys said pick a woman. Women tend to take by. Yeah, you see bisexuality.

[Mal]

As I'm saying, we talk about that relative, though. Not just some random girl. I'm talking about a relative like one of your female cousins that you know is cool. She's probably gay, you know, like when you now that.

[Damaris]

That was what I was looking for. Find you got a gay cousin. Find the gay cousin and like, y'all link up in bond, like, so that they can help you walk you through that, how to deal with that in your. You good.

[Julian]

That's like the power up thing that you also.

[Damaris]

The gay cousin.

[Rory]

He's doing the ymca.

[Mal]

You also the gay cousin.

[Julian]

I definitely have a gay cousin. He'll never come out, though.

[Damaris]

Really?

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Damn. Why you out him?

[Rory]

It?

[Damaris]

Because I'm sure. I know. I'm sure everybody knows.

[Julian]

The family knows.

[Mal]

Yeah, I don't think, like, exactly my point here. The family always knows. They always know.

[Rory]

It was for. For Kendall's reelection. So you'll be quiet with that gay.

[Julian]

You my brother stuff all the time.

[Damaris]

What is it?

[Julian]

Antonio's.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah.

[Damaris]

The one who sounds Italian.

[Mal]

Yeah. Antonio was like, yo, keep, don't, don't, don't come to this rally.

[Damaris]

Keep that over there.

[Mal]

Keep that in the house, man. Don't come to the left.

[Rory]

We're left. We ain't that left.

[Damaris]

I feel like you know your family dynamic better than we do. Find the person that you can trust, and if this is heavy on your heart, like you feel like you're hiding something, then come out. But don't. If you don't feel like you're hiding something and it doesn't make you uncomfortable, then don't feel the need to, quote, unquote, come out.

[Rory]

Or until you. If you end up dealing with a guy and like him, then have that conversation. But if you just fucking, you know, tell your family about that.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I wouldn't tell. I'm bisexual. But there's family members, like, not in my immediate family. My. Outside of my immediate family. They don't need to know that. Unless I decided to bring a woman home, then I would have to explain, oh, this is why shorty's here.

[Mal]

But other than your family don't know you bisexual?

[Damaris]

My immediate family does.

[Mal]

Oh, okay.

[Damaris]

The family, like, my aunts and stuff don't know that.

[Rory]

What if they're popular aunts?

[Mal]

They know. Aunties know everything. Aunties is like older sisters.

[Damaris]

I don't think they know. I don't really. I'm not. I'm very private with my life, so I don't think they know. And they only see men that I've bought home, so they wouldn't know that. They don't know much about me.

[Julian]

You think they would care?

[Damaris]

No, I don't think they would care.

[Mal]

Exactly. Nobody cares. Bro.

[Rory]

Bro.

[Damaris]

All of my sisters that's the secret to life.

[Mal]

Nobody care. People act like they care. People don't give a. Nobody cares. They don't.

[Rory]

Certain states.

[Mal]

I don't give a.

[Damaris]

We live in New York, so we tend to think that people don't care about a lot of that. They do.

[Julian]

Even in New York.

[Rory]

I will take you to. To Bayside, Queens.

[Julian]

I was gonna say, you don't have to go that far. They'll care.

[Rory]

Have you been in Long island lately? What?

[Mal]

Murder.

[Rory]

Exactly. You think that guy is really into LGBTQ rights? He's not.

[Mal]

What? Girlfriend. He's gay.

[Damaris]

Julian played it next.

[Rory]

He sucked the dick.

[Mal]

He sucked. He's gay forever.

[Rory]

Yes. We have another voicemail.

[Julian]

So there's final thoughts on him real quick.

[Mal]

Yeah, we gave it to him. Yo, take your ass out the closet. Nobody cares, man.

[Damaris]

Closet see through, baby.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Closet wide open. That gotta.

[Damaris]

You can tell by his voice and that voicemail. Love you.

[Mal]

Yeah, good. It's all good.

[Rory]

See, Gayar is down.

[Mal]

Yo, Rory. Mod marriage. Julian, what's up, man? I have a question. Rory. You can't really answer because you ain't got no siblings, but my mom, I feel like my mom be, like, favoriting my sister over me sometimes. And I'm explaining why, because I feel loved at home. I do.

[Rory]

I do feel very loved and appreciated.

[Mal]

But there'll be some times where.

[Damaris]

I.

[Mal]

Just be looking at stuff that my mother.

[Julian]

Dude.

[Rory]

And I should be like, all right, dude, dude, this. This kid be going through it in every aspect of his life.

[Mal]

Like right now. My sister goes to Alabama State University. She's Miss Alabama State. You know what I'm saying? We all went down there for homecoming or whatever. It was a beautiful time. But I used to be feeling, like, the way my mother be looking at it, she'd just be like.

[Rory]

Like glazing just a little bit. Just.

[Mal]

Just a teeny bit.

[Rory]

Pause, pause.

[Mal]

She posts my. My sister, like, every other day. And I get all.

[Rory]

Makes sense. Mother I, Mother, I, Mother I. I get it now. This gentleman has been calling with female issues for about a year now. He's always chasing a chick that doesn't like him. It all makes sense now.

[Mal]

He's gay.

[Rory]

He no. Oh, he has mommy issues. His mom doesn't love him like his other siblings, and he continues to chase women that have proven that they want nothing to do with him. Remember that chick that canceled on the date and he still, like, went and paid and like all that other shit? He has mommy issues.

[Mal]

Oh, okay.

[Rory]

He's been giving us voicemails For a.

[Mal]

Year now, he's been giving a breadcrumbs.

[Rory]

And every time he's chasing a woman that no longer likes him. You can keep playing it it. Wow.

[Mal]

Sorry.

[Julian]

I'm trying.

[Rory]

Finally, we got to the root of this problem. Yeah, it only took 10 voicemails.

[Julian]

I think I found a sister. All right, let's keep going.

[Rory]

You're sick.

[Julian]

What?

[Damaris]

He searched it first?

[Julian]

Yeah, he said it.

[Mal]

My. My sister had to do a pageant.

[Damaris]

To be in there.

[Rory]

My mom big in a pageant. So whatever.

[Mal]

My sister also, you know what I'm saying, is a Delta. My mom crossed Delta back in 2002. You know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

So, like, I get it, but it's still like, all right, well, go be adults.

[Mal]

I'll be feeling like, dang, bro, I don't be getting this love. Like, when I was. When I was campus activities board president. I ain't get this love. When I became a Q, I ain't get this love.

[Rory]

Oh, that's crazy. I just wanted to know if y'all ever felt like that with y'all family, if your mom is a Delta.

[Mal]

Like, don't get it twisted, though.

[Rory]

If your mom is adult and you became a Q, and she didn't love that, that is kind of weird. But you're not in a pageant, bro. Go get in a pageant.

[Julian]

Women just bond more with women. Shit.

[Mal]

Yeah. Like, it's your sister, like.

[Damaris]

And you know what's so funny? Usually women like the whole. The. The mommy's boys is like, a thing. That's like a thing. Usually mothers love their son more. So the fact that the daughter is getting love is, like, actually really dope.

[Mal]

For real.

[Damaris]

That's not.

[Rory]

At the expense of his feelings.

[Julian]

You to pile it on them, he'd be all right.

[Rory]

He had to sacrifice for all the other daughters out there.

[Damaris]

Your mom loves you. She just bonds more with your sister. I mean, I guess I know that feeling, though, because my mother is. I'm not my mother's favorite child either. So.

[Mal]

How you know that?

[Damaris]

Oh, the whole family knows. We all know. We joke about it.

[Julian]

What's the how? What do you mean?

[Damaris]

I'm a father's favorite child also. It doesn't matter.

[Rory]

So she resents and goes to the other siblings.

[Damaris]

She always treated my little.

[Mal]

You're the oldest, right?

[Damaris]

No. Well, for my father's kids, I am the third child, but for my mother's kids, I am the oldest. So, yes, I was treated like the oldest daughter because I was raised in a house where I was the Oldest daughter got it. But no, my little sister is. I'll be, like, doing my hair, like, doing my makeup, and my mom will be like, well, you know, Tylin went out yesterday, and, like, she just looked him. I'm like, ma, okay. She ain't even on the phone right now. Like, why are you talking about how good she looked yesterday?

[Rory]

And your little sisters have the same father, right?

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Rory]

Okay. I was gonna think maybe it was a resentment of the father thing and she likes their father better.

[Damaris]

I think it's a resentment thing because my father. I was always like, my father's baby. And I think growing up, like, it was just kind of like. Like, she's a daddy's girl. She's a daddy's girl, so. But yeah, some. Your. Your parents. It's not that she loves her more. It's just that she probably likes her more. And that's okay. That's okay. It doesn't mean she loves her anymore. She just likes her more.

[Mal]

What age were you when you had that human conversation with your parents?

[Damaris]

That I was. That I wasn't my mother's favorite. Oh, I knew that. Young. We had that conversation young. My mother always said, no, I don't play favorites. I don't play favorites. Now that we're older, we all joke. She'll still say, I don't play favorites, but, like, everybody knows that she has a favorite.

[Mal]

It.

[Damaris]

But I don't. It doesn't bother me because I know it's not a love thing. It's just a connection. Like. Like, thing.

[Rory]

Do you think your mother likes you or your sister better?

[Damaris]

Definitely.

[Mal]

It depends on the day.

[Rory]

I think so, too.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

You think she likes my sister better?

[Rory]

Yeah, I mean, she. She moved to go be with her. She ain't move. She ain't moved to your apartment.

[Mal]

I'm going call my sister and just ask her real quick because it's funny that y'all just jump to that.

[Rory]

And while you try to get her.

[Damaris]

On the line, she's not going to.

[Rory]

Agree, though, when Hard Knock Life came out. I know who your father's favorite was, and it wasn't you.

[Damaris]

But show.

[Rory]

It was definitely Biggs.

[Mal]

Oh, she probably at work or she.

[Rory]

Probably showing with your mom.

[Damaris]

I also think your nephew probably has a lot to do with your sister being their current favorite. Yeah, Just my process.

[Mal]

Oh, shit. She was about to answer and I hung up. Hold on. Hold.

[Rory]

Right? Yeah, but let's say, like, without his nephew.

[Damaris]

Make sure you hold the speaker at the bottom to the.

[Mal]

Yo, quick question.

[Rory]

Bottom of the phone.

[Mal]

I'm on the pod recording real quick. And a conversation came up. I just want you to answer it real quick. Who do you think Mommy loves more? Me or you?

[Damaris]

She loves us both the same.

[Rory]

Oh, so. So, so her. Unless it was a clean cut. You. It's definitely her.

[Damaris]

Who do you think she likes?

[Mal]

Who does she like? Who does she like more?

[Damaris]

You.

[Julian]

Wow.

[Mal]

The whole room said that she likes you more. So I was like, that's interesting. Let me call her and see what she think. Oh, hell no. She likes me. Okay.

[Rory]

But then that may be because you spend more time with her. And, like, Maul. Is this. This figurative like, oh, what. What's he up to?

[Damaris]

Type shit.

[Rory]

Can't wait to catch up with Maul. Yeah.

[Damaris]

She misses Mall. She don't miss you.

[Mal]

Mall.

[Damaris]

And my mother actually spent way more time, like.

[Mal]

Yeah. Cause my sister went away to college and so she was gone, like, for a while. She was in the military for years. Yeah.

[Rory]

Okay. I still don't believe.

[Damaris]

Nah, he's just. He's just a better like child. But I think I know that she loves us equally, but she likes him more.

[Mal]

Thank you for that. Yo, you know what I'm saying?

[Damaris]

Ma do act like a mommy's boy.

[Mal]

So you know what I mean. I'll call you later. You heard?

[Rory]

That's not even how you talk to your sister.

[Julian]

That's weird.

[Mal]

That is how I talk to him.

[Rory]

I don't know. I'm still going with your sister, especially now with your nephew.

[Mal]

Oh, she loves. Forget it. My nephew is the. He's the one now.

[Rory]

It's a star.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You don't even exist. Yeah. Yeah.

[Mal]

My nephew.

[Julian]

I was thinking, like, sometimes to our caller's question, sometimes this can be like life. It can be like, up and down. Like, currently it's her because of the pageantry stuff, the delta stuff. Like. And then at some point, you might do something where, like, you know, she connects.

[Mal]

He said he crossed. He crossed. He crossed Q, though he was a Q. He said he didn't get that same love, but.

[Rory]

But you don't know if. You don't know if he was paper, if he was made like his mom, maybe resent him if he didn't, you know, get down the right way.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Might be looking at my son like.

[Mal]

All right, yeah, you down, but you ain't.

[Rory]

Don't know where. Don't wear that purple around me. You're not. But I have some harsh advice for him. I respect this guy because he calls us all the time and is Very open about all the problems he has. The last one, I believe the dating. He didn't have any money. I like that he was upfront with the young lady that he had no money to really do a proper date. Can you give me some time? Do some shit with your life, man. Yeah. Maybe there's nothing that your mother can be proud of. I'm sure she loves you to death. But your sister is doing things to at least repost on Facebook. I don't know if, like, sometimes people need to hear that. When your parents are looking at you a weird way. Go do some.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You're not doing anything. And he's been very vulnerable. I'm not saying he's not working on himself and trying to get opportunities. I respect that is that and understand that. But you've called before and said you didn't have certain shit going on and you was in a weird place, which I respect and understand. But maybe she doesn't have anything to repost and be proud of.

[Damaris]

What's the point of being in a fraternity if you ain't making money off it? That's like being like. When you see homeless white men. I'm not giving you a dollar. You had, like, a leg up.

[Mal]

He's a. He's an addict.

[Julian]

There is a homeless white guy that hangs around these parts that's missing an arm. And he is terrified because he's missing an arm. It's just, like, unexpected.

[Mal]

Do you ever ask him what happened to his own?

[Julian]

No, I never.

[Rory]

Is he in a fraternity?

[Mal]

But why not, though? Why? I don't. I think we should do that more.

[Julian]

If you saw him is not the.

[Rory]

Person I don't think we should do.

[Julian]

Interact with.

[Mal]

No. What I talked to. I talked to homeless people all the time.

[Julian]

No, he's not like that kind of. He's like.

[Mal]

It's like mental illness.

[Julian]

He's tough.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

The arm is the least of the worst.

[Julian]

It looks like a. Like a zombie. It's like the Call of Duty zombie. Like, he's running at you. And they got a bunch of tattoos. It's weird.

[Rory]

Maul. Would you pledge Kappa?

[Mal]

No.

[Rory]

Your guy is now part of the frat.

[Mal]

Who's that?

[Rory]

Jerry Lorenzo.

[Mal]

Shout out to Jerry Lorenzo, man, founder.

[Rory]

Of Fear of God. And from my understanding. I heard he did it the right way. Welcome to the Bond, sir. I cannot wait to see what the Kappa pair looks like now because we got one of the greatest designers ever. Our group chats amongst my chapter. All of New Jersey, all of New York York were on Fire. When we saw that one, he crossed.

[Mal]

I know. I can't wait to like the symbols, but just give me a sweatsuit or something.

[Rory]

And two, he did it the right way. And I want to give you some. Some advice, Jerry, as a. As a older bro, but younger in. As far as the world goes. Don't let any of these noobs get in your head. You don't owe them a bunch of fear of God, Perry. You don't. The bond is the bond. Diggs is Diggs. We all love each other.

[Mal]

Yeah, bro.

[Rory]

Do not open those dms. You don't have to give every new hoop a sweatsuit.

[Mal]

Right.

[Damaris]

But you got to give Rory one. Rory definitely wants one.

[Rory]

If you give me a link to buy one, I would buy one.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I don't need a free. Free package.

[Mal]

Shout out to Jerry Lorenzo.

[Rory]

I buy my favorite guy.

[Mal]

He's definitely one of my favorite designers. I've always talked about him.

[Rory]

Then within one week, because that blew my mind. But I did love Jerry's story of. You know, he. He was online when he was in college. It didn't work out, which happens often to a lot of people, unfortunately. Then they go alumni. But his career took off.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But that was something he still wanted to accomplish. I commend him. I think that's a beautiful story. Was on a high thinking, like, damn, maybe Maul will now pledge. I opened my phone yesterday. Ed Reed.

[Mal]

Shout out to everybody.

[Rory]

And I heard he did it the right way. And I said, who the fuck put Ed Reed in the cut?

[Mal]

That's hilarious. What?

[Rory]

Who had the balls to do that?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Who was wrestling for. All right, I just need to talk to whoever pledged Ed Reed Reed and, like, give them a handshake. Yeah, I would have been terrified the whole time. That's amazing.

[Mal]

That's dope.

[Rory]

And I love that these guys are doing it the right way.

[Mal]

Shout out to Jerry Lorenzo. Shout out to Ed Reed. And shout out to your. Your frat brothers.

[Rory]

And. And I love that our famous bros did it the right way. It's no like, we just giving you the. We're the only. Only frat that does that. Everyone else just hands out initiations, like, Shaq, you're a Q. Yeah.

[Mal]

Yeah. No, I think Shaq really.

[Rory]

No, it was Jordan. No, I think Jordan really got down. Shaq. They made an honorary member. And I'm not on cues. I love Q's. Happy Founders Day, by the way.

[Mal]

Shaq is an honorary member. He went to lsu, so I figured he did it when he was no.

[Rory]

I think Shaq, way later on, they do, like, this honorable member type thing.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

Where they just. Sometimes they do it when people die. And I never understood that the. The Alphas made Frederick Douglas Alpha after he died.

[Damaris]

Right?

[Rory]

And I know my white face shouldn't say it. It just confused me. I'm like, no one checked if he wanted to be one.

[Mal]

Y'all just put him.

[Julian]

Just called dibs.

[Mal]

Yeah, like, that's weird.

[Damaris]

Then what? That person should cap a claim.

[Rory]

No, that. That's like, in our. We don't do that. We're the only frat that doesn't do it. You're not about to just be one.

[Mal]

That's just weird. One day he's dead, and now you just like, yo, he's with us.

[Rory]

But also, I think it's weird, like, when they just give out, like, oh, he's doing some. Let's ask him if he just wants the letters.

[Damaris]

What fraternity claim? Diddy. I know one of y'all had to.

[Rory]

I don't know if I've ever heard anything. I'm sure Diddy was tapped in. No, I'm not. No pun intended. At Howard. But to throw parties at a place like Howard's, you had to be tapped in with all the frats and sororities.

[Julian]

So it says he was never officially affiliated with a fraternity. And in June 2024, the Howard University board of trustees unanimously, unanimously voted to revoke his honorary degree. So he never actually finished his degree there. He was given one, and then they said, nah.

[Mal]

So they took everything. The key to the city, his honorary.

[Julian]

Degree, they covered it all in baby oil.

[Damaris]

And see, that's why you got to earn your own. Because anything what's taketh can be giveth away or giveth can be taketh away, whatever.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's what Daffy Duck said. November 22nd, we will be in Atlanta. Tickets available now newroarimal.com and then we'll be in New York City, Gramercy Theater, December 14th to end out the year and start the holiday season. Looking forward to it. Looking forward to seeing the beautiful people once again.

[Rory]

Yeah, I'm really excited to go to Atlanta this week.

[Mal]

Yeah, Atlanta's always a good time, man. There's good people down there.

[Rory]

Always. Always makes me feel better when I'm.

[Mal]

Show is always good. Good energy. Looking forward to seeing some familiar faces and some new faces. Tickets available now. New new rory in mall.com and yeah, man, glad you're back. Glad you're back. Safe from la.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Made sure that, you know, the guys had eyes on you. The guys had eyes on you, made sure you were safe.

[Rory]

So every time, every corner I took.

[Mal]

Somebody had somebody right behind you. Ain't even know it. Just make sure my guy was safe out there, man. Man. We'll be back in a couple days to talk to y'all. Be safe, be blessed. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. Peace.