Episode 327 | Reasonable Doubt

Summary

Podcast Summary: New Rory & MAL – Episode 327 | Reasonable Doubt

Release Date: December 10, 2024
Hosts: Rory, Mal, Julian, and Damaris
Podcast Network: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume
Title: Reasonable Doubt

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1. Mal’s Turbulent Weekend: Parenting Challenges and Personal Struggles (00:40 – 05:59)

The episode opens with Mal recounting her hectic weekend spent alone with her daughter, Amara. From 00:40, Mal shares her experience taking Amara to Legoland, which quickly turned chaotic. She mentions, “I did not even see her. She was doing a whole” ([02:16]), highlighting how Amara managed to "steal a brick of Legos" ([02:19]). Mal discusses the challenges of managing a toddler’s tantrums, particularly during interactive attractions like the 3D movie at Legoland, where Amara mistook the mist for her iPad, resulting in a public tantrum ([02:39]).

The situation escalates when Mal contracts food poisoning, leading to sleepless nights and further complications. At 05:08, she shares her ordeal: “And you know, Amar, she's curious about that. Like, she's looking in the bowl like, yo, what is” ([05:02]). Mal details the strain of balancing her health issues with parenting, including her mother’s unsupportive attempts to help and the embarrassment of dealing with public vomiting incidents ([07:26]).

2. Allegations Against Jay Z: Legal Battle and Public Perception (18:00 – 45:00)

A significant portion of the episode revolves around shocking allegations against Jay Z, who is now facing a civil lawsuit filed by a lawyer named Tony Busby. The hosts express skepticism about the legitimacy of the claims, which accuse Jay Z of raping a 13-year-old girl at the 2000 MTV Video Music Awards after-party. Mal questions the authenticity, noting, “We will litigate the facts in the court, not in the media” ([26:50]).

Julian and Mal analyze Jay Z’s swift public response through ROC Nation’s Instagram, interpreting it as a strategic move to maintain transparency and control over the narrative. Mal states, “Everything is case by case basis. I fully think there's a bunch of nasty fucking people in the music industry” ([33:55]), emphasizing the importance of due process.

The discussion delves into the broader implications for black celebrities, drawing parallels to past cases like Michael Jackson and Puff Daddy. Rory remarks, “It's like, you do realize this... complete bullshit” ([34:50]), highlighting the enduring stigma celebrities face regardless of their innocence. The hosts also scrutinize the credibility of Tony Busby, citing his history of similar lawsuits and the potential for a smear campaign against Jay Z ([26:57]).

3. Critique of Forbes’ Top Rappers List (60:00 – 69:00)

Transitioning to a lighter topic, the hosts critique Forbes’ recently published list of the top 50 rappers of all time. Mal expresses frustration with the subjective nature of such rankings, questioning the criteria used: “Best song. I would still take that as the best songs. Not my favorite songs” ([66:08]). They discuss discrepancies in genre classification, debating whether artists like Bad Bunny and Sean Paul qualify as rappers ([60:53]).

Damaris adds, “Music is so subjective” ([68:04]), agreeing that attempts to create definitive lists often fail to capture the diversity and creativity within the genre. The conversation highlights the challenges of balancing critical acclaim, cultural influence, and personal preferences in ranking artists.

4. Personal Music Projects and Creative Process (70:00 – 99:00)

The hosts shift focus to their own music endeavors, discussing the intricacies of mixing and mastering tracks. Mal elaborates on her method: “You have to go see what that rental car would it sound like?” ([72:30]), emphasizing the importance of testing mixes in various environments, from phone speakers to car acoustics.

Rory and Julian share insights into their creative processes, including collaboration challenges and the expectations of peers. Mal expresses frustration over unresponsive collaborators, humorously referencing a mock court scenario regarding music sharing: “Shout out to it... You keep sending me random” ([85:00]).

5. Listener Voicemails: Relationship Advice and Coping with Loss (93:00 – 101:54)

Two voicemails feature listener questions that the hosts address with empathy and practical advice.

• Voicemail from Black (93:28 – 85:00): Black seeks guidance on how to approach his wife about needing personal space after 15 years of marriage. The hosts encourage open communication, suggesting scheduling dedicated time apart to preserve the relationship’s health.

  Mal advises, “Let me know that you're not tired of her. You just think we need some space” ([95:16]). Rory adds, “Just to humanize this person that you love, it might be something to consider” ([95:26]).

• Voicemail from Jinzu (102:43 – 105:25): Jinzu shares a traumatic experience of his mother being murdered by a sibling, seeking advice on handling profound familial loss. The hosts offer heartfelt condolences and emphasize the importance of therapy and time in coping with such deep-rooted trauma.

  Julian reflects, “It's a tough situation to be in. It's some deep trauma that I don't think you ever fully get over” ([105:03]), while Mal underscores the necessity of personal healing: “Go through the proper emotions with yourself” ([105:16]).

6. Conclusion and Upcoming Events (106:00 – 111:00)

As the episode wraps up, the hosts promote their upcoming live show at Gramercy Theater scheduled for December 14th, encouraging listeners to secure tickets soon. They share playful banter about their music projects and maintain an engaging, casual tone as they sign off.

Julian concludes, “Looking forward to seeing y’all at Gramercy Theater. Enjoy the rest of your week” ([110:14]), while Rory and Mal tease future musical releases and continue jesting about their creative processes.

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Notable Quotes:

• Mal on Public Tantrums: “Amara loves mist. She's having a blast. The shit ends. She thinks it's her iPad and throws a fucking fit because I can't restart the movie” ([03:07]).

• Julian on Jay Z’s Response: “If I know what Jay is and where he's at in his life and his lawyers... He's not gonna allow people to try to pull him down” ([20:44]).

• Mal on Due Process: “Everyone should have due process, including the alleged victim, and we should see this thing through” ([25:08]).

• Rory on Music Lists: “There’s so many people that sit back and do nothing with their lives that can't fathom that someone could be that successful without some type of cheat code” ([53:44]).

• Damaris on Music Subjectivity: “Music is so subjective” ([68:04]).

• Julian on Coping with Loss: “It's a tough situation to be in. It's some deep trauma that I don't think you ever fully get over” ([105:03]).

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This episode of New Rory & MAL delves into intense personal experiences, high-profile legal controversies, and critical discussions on the music industry, interspersed with humorous interactions and listener engagement. The hosts provide a multifaceted conversation that offers both empathetic support and sharp critiques, making it a compelling listen for both regular followers and newcomers alike.

Transcript

[Rory]

No warrior now I fly like paper.

[Mal]

Get high light planes if you catch.

[Damaris]

Me at the border I go visas in my name if you come over here, I'll make them all day I.

[Julian]

Get one down in a second if.

[Mal]

You wait I fly light pipe again.

[Damaris]

I like planes if you catch me at the border I go visas in my name if you come around here.

[Rory]

I make them all day I get.

[Mal]

One down in a second if you.

[Damaris]

Wait Sometimes I think sitting on trains.

[Rory]

Every stop I get to unclock a.

[Mal]

Night game Everyone's a winner we make our fame bonafide hustle I'm making my.

[Damaris]

Name Sometimes I think sitting on trains Every step I get I'm clocking that.

[Mal]

Game Everyone's a winner we making our fame bonafide hustle I'm making my name we are back on zero sleep, so I'm going to be wired today. And I drank coffee lit bleep the F word cuz want to get demonetized. Putting Peach to work already. I apologize. So excited to see everyone. How are you feeling, Mo?

[Julian]

I'm great. How you doing?

[Mal]

I'm okay.

[Julian]

How was your weekend?

[Mal]

Where do you want to start the weekend? Okay. I had Amara from Thursday until this morning by myself, which is cool. Been there, done that. Can't wait.

[Julian]

You're pro. You're pro.

[Mal]

Scheduled a whole itinerary of activities for her.

[Julian]

Mm.

[Mal]

My mom was gonna come on Saturday, put up all the decorations, but let's start Thursday night. Out the gate. She only wants me to sleep next to her in her crib, so.

[Julian]

In the crib?

[Mal]

Yeah, her. It's like a crib bed.

[Julian]

Okay.

[Mal]

But I was like, do you just want to sleep in the bed with me? Because she was being fussy, and she just wanted to sleep in her bed and make me stay right there. So out the gate, I'm like, all right, cool. Slept on the floor the whole night. Didn't get much sleep, but who cares? We have so much fun activities from Friday to Sunday night. Friday, go to Legoland. Maybe I had more fun than Amara.

[Julian]

But, yeah, that's neither here nor there.

[Mal]

Great. Great experience, Amaro. Amara stole more Legos. When I got home, I found a stash of Legos in the stroller, which you have to pay for by, like, the pound.

[Julian]

Yes.

[Mal]

She. I did not even see her. She was doing a whole.

[Julian]

She stole a brick of Legos.

[Mal]

Yeah. And she had a great time smiling, running around only through one tantrum. They have, like, a. A 3D movie type situation in the Legoland thing that runs every 15 minutes I walk in, I see drench seats. So I'm like, oh, did kids spill a bunch of. Because they had a snack bar. Which we'll get to. That ruined my weekend.

[Julian]

Okay.

[Mal]

I'm. I'm trying to find a dry spot. I'm like, it. These kids are disgusting. That were in here before. Halfway through the Legoland thing, I thought I was at a water park. They drench us in mist when the Lego surfers come in. Amara loves mist. She's having a blast. The shit ends. She thinks it's her iPad and throws a fucking fit because I can't restart the movie.

[Damaris]

God damn.

[Mal]

Full blown fit in the puddles.

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah, start it off.

[Mal]

People around us.

[Julian]

Do it again, dad.

[Mal]

Yeah, like. Like it's Mickey Mouse clubhouse where I can just take it on the iPad and go back. Because you liked the episode, right? Those are fit. Whatever. Go to the snack bar. Luckily, I packed tomorrow PB&J. But I got myself some chicken tenders. Can't go wrong with that. Some fries from Legoland. From Legoland.

[Julian]

Oh, man. I know what this is. To turn left from Legoland. Yeah, Legoland Chicken. Chicken tenders.

[Mal]

So, nah, Legoland is. Is amazing. They have like a bunch of slides that are for, like, Lego cars that you can make. And all the signs say no slides. Like, do not slide on this. Mars slid on everything. Cannot believe we lasted four hours in there before being politely asked to leave. Yes, because, like, it's okay when they catch the kid doing it. And like, the parents like, oh, no, no. And they're like, we understand, man. Yeah, it's good. Then they catch you allowing them to do it two more times. It's like, sir, you're not a toddler. Yeah, you could stop her from doing that.

[Julian]

Right?

[Mal]

But I'm like, I mean, she likes slides. Don't put a slide here, right? Get Christmas shopping done. I am knocking shit out. Mara had a great time. Did Christmas get back to the crib? Mara has another one of those nights, don't sleep at all. But I'm like, cool, whatever. Mom comes tomorrow. Maybe I'll get like two or three hours of sleep when she comes. I could take a nap. Morning runs around. My entire stomach drops chicken tenders. I'm talking hugging porcelain chicken tenders, but.

[Damaris]

What you had to have eaten after that. No, you didn't. You just had chicken tenders and didn't have dinner.

[Julian]

No, that wasn't.

[Mal]

Because it was. That was like towards the end of the night. Yeah, I didn't. Because I Was just trying to get Amar to sleep, and I just. Sometimes when I have to sleep on the floor, I'll fall asleep with her. Dinner's not going to happen. So hugging Porcelain while I have a toddler screaming, waffles, waffles, waffles to me. What song is throwing Up? And you know Amar, she's curious about that. Like, she's looking in the bowl like, yo, what is. Let me put my hand over.

[Damaris]

Like, oh, you were throwing up.

[Mal]

Yes.

[Damaris]

I thought you just had.

[Mal]

So mind you, we're not going to get too much information, but there's another part of food poisoning that isn't your mouth.

[Julian]

Yeah, the other end.

[Mal]

So I'm trying. I'm trying to hold that in while my daughter is in there screaming waffles. While I'm throwing it.

[Julian]

Nice.

[Mal]

So my mom finally comes, and I'm like, mom, can you take her? And I just immediately run back to the bathroom, where I spent another 30 minutes. Come back, I'm like, mom, I have food poisoning for sure. Like, I've had it before. This is definitely food poisoning. And she goes, okay, so do you want to get the tree from the garage now?

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I said, no. No, you're not hearing me.

[Julian]

No, you're not hearing her.

[Mal]

I need to go lay down. Like, for real. I have food poisoning. For real.

[Julian]

After you get the tree, though.

[Mal]

Okay, Go. Yeah, we'll do the tree. Like, drink a ginger ale. You'll be okay.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I don't think you're understanding, like, the severity. So this is the one. It's like 10am and my mom's like, do you have any food? I was like, I haven't had a chance to go grocery shopping. It was a long week last week. She's like, all right, well, can you run out and go get us some food? I said, mom, I don't think you're understanding.

[Julian]

No, you not understanding.

[Mal]

And then she's like, on the way back up, you can bring the tree up.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

And all the boxes of Christmas stuff and groceries. So I go get her. Get her food, and she's like, why aren't you eating? Because, you know, family, you have to eat when everyone eats. Everyone has to.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Why aren't you eating? Because I have food poisoning. I don't think you've been hearing me at all.

[Julian]

You're supposed to eat on top of the poison.

[Mal]

Scheduled a play date with Amara, one of my friends and his daughter to come all activities. So I have another additional toddler, which for some reason didn't tell me that that stepsister was bringing the stepsister. So I have three toddlers running around, my mom sitting, wondering why I'm not standing on ladders, fudgeing, putting mistletoes up and shit. Yeah, crush that. Knock everything out in between. I'm running to the bathroom, letting it fly, running right back out, wet wipes in hand, like, I was literally nailing stuff with wet wipes, like, on the side of my pocket. Knock all that shit out. Amar is back on her bullshit. That night, I get no fucking sleep. My mom slept like a fucking baby. Yeah, right across the hall, too. I'm like, yeah, you didn't hear anything last night. She came the next morning on Sunday and goes, oh, so thank God Amara slept through the night.

[Rory]

I said, I don't hit her.

[Mal]

Oh, I. Yeah, I'd have swung. And mind you, my food poisoning started Saturday. It kicked in even worse Sunday morning. Not eating, not getting any sleep on a cold fucking floor. Yeah, my mom said, oh, luckily, she slept through the night. Her room is closer to Amara's than mine is. Yeah, I know. You heard that fucking screaming.

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nah. Means nothing to her.

[Mal]

And every other day, my mom wakes up at 5am slept in, just rolled out, 10am slept in.

[Julian]

Yeah. Nice. Good sleep.

[Mal]

So we had planned for Sunday to go see my cousin. He just had a son, South Jersey. I'm thinking, like, my mom has finally gotten the hint that I'm just going to stay in. Yeah, what time you want to leave? I said, mom, I have food poisoning. I can't go on the Jersey Turnpike without shitting. I cannot drive an hour and 15 minutes.

[Julian]

Who's your dad at? I want to know what your dad would have said through all of this, because it's polar opposite your mom and dad.

[Mal]

Oh, my dad wouldn't. My dad would have been like, wait, there was a plan?

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I could. My mom says, we'll just have a ginger ale and eat a bagel, like, all right. You are still not here. I'm done. I'm done even trying to explain this. All right, cool. At least help me pack up the car.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

So we drive all the way down. Mar has another amazing fucking day. Drive back up. Clog probably clogged the toilet at my cousin's house, which is also embarrassing when there's a bunch of people that I also didn't know. And, like, there's only the one down.

[Julian]

That's how you meet him. That was your first time meeting that part of the family?

[Mal]

No, no, my cousin had, like, friends and other people over it Wasn't just.

[Julian]

Just them and you had to take a shit.

[Mal]

And then my mom, as fucked up as she is, keeps going, where do you keep disappearing to? And like, shaming me. Like, why aren't you hanging out with everyone? Like, do you like this? Back to my childhood, just not believing me on anything. You think I'm making up food poisoning right now? I've crushed everything this weekend with food poisoning and you're asking me in front of people why I keep disappearing?

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Get off your phone. I'm not on my phone unless I'm taking a shit. Get Amara back. She had a somewhat of a better night, but again, I'm running on like three hours of sleep total. Yeah, Stomach is starting to feel a little bit better. Get Amara down. My mom goes to sleep, she wakes back up and I'm actually trying to make food for the first time to like really eat, cuz I hadn't eaten anything. And she goes, stop making so much noise. You'll wake up Amara. So you go home now.

[Julian]

Your mom hates you.

[Mal]

Yo, I. I'm aware she hates you. So. And then she pretends to pee like she's the nicest woman ever. Yeah, so then I'm driving Amara into the city this morning before we have to record. She projectile vomits everywhere coming out of the Holland Tunnel. Oh, drenched in throw up.

[Rory]

That's why she had the little Rory Mall shirt on.

[Mal]

Yeah, because I was planning on just dropping her because Kia was downtown anyways because she had jury duty or some. So instead of me having to go.

[Damaris]

Up, she got Daniel Penny off.

[Mal]

I was like, oh, we could just. I'll drop her off to you at the studio. Wasn't the plan that Key and Amara were going to be hanging out in the studio whatsoever? It's just when I got here, there was more throw up. And she did it like quietly, which scared me because I didn't know she projectile vomited until I got to the parking garage. And I went to go, like, what? She was still watching her iPad that was covered in throw up and it's all over the seats. And mind you, I pull up, I pull up into the garage, right? And you know how the guy comes in, like, how long? He doesn't speak any English, so. But I didn't know that at first. I was like, probably like 5, 5:30pm and he says, no English. 1, 2, 3. I think he was trying to say how many hours? And I was like, five, whatever. So I don't think much of that. But then I come around the side of the car to take Amara out and see this massacre in my backseat. And the guy that doesn't speak English is trying to rush me because there's cars behind. I was like, I'm trying to explain to you that my daughter threw up everywhere. Like, I'm trying to get him to come around to, look, he doesn't speak English. And I had such a relief. I don't care if you're a parent. You understand this. People that aren't parents are going to say, like, wow, what a shitty parent. I was driving here with such delight that I was about to get the night off. Like, so excited. Like, I did it, man. Like, every test.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I passed. And I did it with flying colors, even though I was dying.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Me and Amara.

[Julian]

Cool. Felt like a good dad.

[Mal]

Only one misstep the entire time. She learned to say Rory instead of Dada. I thought that was gonna happen when she was 13, but now she calls me by my first name.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Which I didn't know how to if that was disrespect or not.

[Julian]

After she threw up all over your car.

[Mal]

As soon as I think I'm getting to the finish line, vomit everywhere.

[Julian]

Hold that. That's a pardon gift.

[Mal]

Yeah. Nobody's with me in these dad streets.

[Julian]

So you got to get the car detailed now.

[Mal]

Oh, 100.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And right now, it's just soaking in your seats.

[Julian]

Luckily, it's cold out, though, because if it was hot out and that was soaking in the garage, just cooking like that.

[Mal]

Okay. But no, it would scare me.

[Julian]

Pepsi and baloney. As soon as you open the door because it's cold.

[Mal]

I still had to walk down here, and she had her winter coat, but I didn't want to put her winter coat on because it would just get drenched.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

In throw up. So I tried to, like, makeshift put her winter coat over the stroller and then dead sprint down here. But in the neighborhood we're in, I'm not going to say, but, you know.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Tough to maneuver with all those carts.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

And they. These people don't give a fuck.

[Julian]

No.

[Mal]

So no courtesy to try to run down the street.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Well, good job. I mean, you know, minus the vomit and everything. Sound like you had a good weekend with Amara.

[Mal]

No, it was great. It was just. It was challenging. I'm on no sleep.

[Julian]

Yeah. Yeah, we get to sleep tonight, though.

[Mal]

Oh, I can't wait.

[Julian]

Yeah. Get some good sleep tonight.

[Mal]

I cannot wait.

[Julian]

What did you two delinquents do this weekend?

[Rory]

I was home. Well, I went to a funeral, and Then I was home.

[Julian]

Condolences. Who passed?

[Rory]

You? A old friend of mine passed.

[Julian]

Okay.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Condolences.

[Rory]

Thank you.

[Julian]

Condolences.

[Rory]

Yeah. But, yeah, after that, I just was mentally just gone. So I just was in my house just all day, all night.

[Mal]

Could have given you some leftovers if you really wanted to spice up the weekend.

[Julian]

Chicken tenders?

[Rory]

No, I'm. I'm good. I actually made Sunday sauce from scratch on ig.

[Julian]

Sunday sauce.

[Rory]

It's authentic Italian spaghetti. Salt red sauce.

[Mal]

Oh, nice.

[Julian]

So, like, you mash, like, the tomatoes yourself and all that, put them in a blender. You was, like, hand. Hand to hand combat.

[Rory]

You buy peeled tomato, you get you. I'm not peeling them. You buy peeled tomatoes and you crush them. Yes.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Julian]

It was good.

[Rory]

It came out.

[Julian]

Julian, you had stomach poison. Food poisoning as well.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Is it alcohol? Is it, like, food?

[Damaris]

Probably both. Well, I'm blaming the food, though. Kendall came down. Well, he came up because he's going home for the week.

[Rory]

Kendall's your brother.

[Damaris]

My brother. Kendall came in for the night Saturday night. We had dinner with our cousin, went to his great Moroccan spot that I love, ate a bunch, then ended up having to go on out, have a bunch of drinks. And then I woke up on yesterday, and I have been just.

[Julian]

Woof.

[Damaris]

I've gone to the bathroom, like, 20 times. Not peeing.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Not throwing up, though. I haven't thrown up. I mean, but I have no food in my system, so I'm just like.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah. It's just.

[Damaris]

It's just like I'm squirting water.

[Julian]

Yeah. Nice.

[Damaris]

It's loud. It's like a Super Soaker.

[Mal]

Just be nasty against the porcelain.

[Damaris]

And then it just bounces back and hits me.

[Julian]

You're Mr. J. Nasty. No, that's your name.

[Damaris]

So I. I've been. It's like, I feel like I got an enema. Yeah, we literally told you to keep it out, though.

[Mal]

And I couldn't even count.

[Damaris]

I'm on E. That little bite of ramen I had before we recorded, that's. That's all I've put in my system in the last 24 hours. Yeah, that and two ginger ales.

[Mal]

I just. Just tried with this bagel. Yeah. Because last night, you know, I couldn't wake up Amara, right?

[Julian]

Please don't. Whatever you do, you can throw.

[Mal]

Like, you get up. When she gets up, I'll bang pots and pans. Right now, it's my. I'm gonna be the one to deal with it. But maybe I shouldn't put that on Legoland. Because when Julian came in here and told me his symptoms, I had very similar ones. So maybe outside of a lawsuit. Plus, let me not put that on Legoland's jacket. Is there something going around?

[Damaris]

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. But I did. I had so much to drink. I think it was just like, my body was like, couldn't you stop? It was one of those nights where I was like, just.

[Julian]

Oh, so you probably had alcohol poison.

[Rory]

And I was also thinking.

[Damaris]

But I didn't wake hungover.

[Rory]

I was also thinking that, too, Rory. Like, if it. Hopefully it is just food poisoning. Because if it's not food poisoning, you just said that Amara just projectile vomited in your backseat. You might have given it to her thinking that it was food poisoning and it's actually a bug.

[Mal]

Oh, I. I thought that, too, but I didn't. I didn't want that on my pocket.

[Julian]

So what the fuck?

[Damaris]

So say it out loud.

[Mal]

But I didn't have a fever, even though I. Because I kept waking up on the floor in Jesus in cold sweats. And then I would be really hot. Like, you know when you have a fever and you wake up and it's always odd and the temperature is the same. That happened two nights in a row. Pillow drenched. Still didn't have a fever, though. So that's why I assumed it was food poison.

[Rory]

Oh, you took your temperature?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

There's a word for you.

[Julian]

Take it through the mouth or through the.

[Mal]

It was only exiting.

[Damaris]

You know, it's.

[Mal]

I would have been able to.

[Damaris]

Through the rectum.

[Julian]

You can get the real numbers through the rectum?

[Damaris]

Yeah, it's more accurate.

[Julian]

So whatever your mouth said, put, like a 3.4 on top.

[Damaris]

Gotta adjust for when that was.

[Rory]

The worst part of childhood was that I used to. Like, at some point, my parents stopped because I used to fight them. Like, yo, chill. Put the one in my mouth, bro. I know that there's a one that goes in my mouth. Why you keep using the booty one?

[Damaris]

Oh, wait, they actually did that to you?

[Julian]

Yes.

[Rory]

I fucking hated that, bro. And we had to, like, why do y'all keep using the one that goes in my rectum? But they said, like. They said it's more accurate. I don't give a fuck.

[Mal]

And I feel. Because I've been with Amara at appointments where they did a mouth one, even for a toddler. And then on Thanksgiving, when I had brought her, they went through the ass. And I was like, is this different insurance? I don't. Like. I've seen I've seen y'all do mouth before.

[Julian]

Like, stay united.

[Damaris]

Health care.

[Julian]

Right. Fuck you in that.

[Rory]

Like, what is more.

[Julian]

I'm sorry, Peach. My bad, bro. I'm sorry.

[Mal]

There's a triple entendre.

[Julian]

I just hit you from the back.

[Rory]

Can you.

[Damaris]

That's a sick transition to our main topic today.

[Mal]

Don't even ask him out.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Because he will reply on the Roc Nation Instagram if you ask him out. All right. This was okay. I feel like no matter what we say today, you guys will not accept it. We will be wrong no matter what angle we go with. So I don't.

[Julian]

What you mean what angle we go with? What angle we supposed to go with.

[Mal]

No matter what, we are going to tell our real feelings on this, but they will find some way to make this seem like we're hypocrites on other stuff. And it's our guy, so it can't be. And I don't really give a. About that.

[Julian]

Yeah, I don't care about what people.

[Mal]

Because when I thought about it last night, I was like, oh, this is going to be like a lose. Lose with the listeners because we'll go in with our honest opinion and with this. You can't win with these topics.

[Julian]

All right, well, give me.

[Mal]

At some point, you're always going to say the wrong thing to the Internet because they are perfect. Well, they're amazing.

[Julian]

Give me your honest opinion because mine is going to be very short. So just. Just give me.

[Mal]

Now, let's go through the timeline first. Let's get everyone up to speed that may not know what's going on, and then we'll get to that.

[Julian]

All right.

[Mal]

While I was on the toilet.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Pretty much scrolling through Instagram, I see that Jay Z is facing allegations in a lawsuit with Diddy. And it ended up in our group chat and I was like, oh, this is probably one of those, like, grifting right wing. Because they've been saying this shit about Puff since. I'm sorry about Jay. Since the Puff thing.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Which we always found weird. Like, why do y'all. There's no. There's been no talk or evidence of Jay ever being that. Why do you guys want him to be guilty so bad?

[Julian]

Right?

[Mal]

So when you guys put it in the chat, I thought it was just another one of, like, Matt Wallace things. And then it said LA4 News or whatever. And I was like, that looks kind of legit. Kept scrolling. Every quote, unquote, legit publication was posting Jay Z facing allegations in lawsuit with Diddy. Civil lawsuit that is of raping a 13 year old girl at an after party following the 2000 MTV Video Music Awards. So the Internet has about 15 minutes to react to this entire thing where everyone is celebrating, which I always find really odd. I think people that are guilty, we should celebrate that they are being caught. But I always find it funny when people celebrate the possibility of a child being raped. Like I want everyone on the Epstein list to see their day in court, right? But I'm not celebrating the sex trafficking that happened. Like people get off on. They're excited. Like I told you he was raping kids. Like you seem like really, really happy about that. So we. About 15 minutes of that. Everyone said we told you so everything's being exposed this year. They didn't know hov has WI fi and sits on his couch often. We got a message immediately, well, that.

[Julian]

Well, you know that response. I think, I think people are smart enough to understand that Jay Z and his team knew that this was coming. In fact, they actually pushed for it. Because if you know what Jay Z is and where he's at in his life and his lawyers, if there was any validity to this whatsoever, they could have stepped on this and this would have never seen the light of day. Could have settled out for some type of payout or whatever. But the fact that, you know, Jay knows who he is and is not going to allow people to try to pull him down some weird, nasty hole. He said, no, let's, let's let this go public and let me show you exactly who I am.

[Mal]

And we're do a lyric breakdown of his response. But I did see a lot of the replies to this was he replied too quick, that's suspicious. But then when people take too long, it's suspicious. Can someone tell me the exact time you should reply to allegations?

[Julian]

27 minutes.

[Mal]

I would like to know.

[Julian]

27 minutes after the allegations Jeff started out with.

[Mal]

I mean, Mo, you're gonna have to read this because one, you know, it's your bloodline and two, I can't read it. Did out the gate seem like this was actually written by Jay, which as we've seen with the people that are guilty and not guilty, everything sounds like a weird PR thing that makes them look even more nuts.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

The way you and I have always said, if somebody came out and alleged that I shot a woman or I was alleged of sexual assault, I'm coming out immediately as myself. There won't be a PR person. I will take the stand. I will come on this mic and say, yo, that was not me. If I am not guilty of something, you will see me.

[Julian]

Right.

[Mal]

Not the PR person.

[Julian]

Exactly.

[Mal]

So.

[Julian]

All right. So Jay released a statement via ROC Nation's Instagram. He says, my lawyer received a blackmail attempt called a demand letter from a lawyer. Quotations. He made sure he put that in quotes. Lawyer named Tony Busby. What he had calculated was the nature of these allegations and the public scrutiny would make me want to settle. No, sir, it had the ex. It had the opposite effect. It made me want to expose you for the fraud you are in a very public fashion. So, no, I will not give you one red penny. All right.

[Mal]

So already more context than anything we really got from the other publications within that first 15 minutes. There wasn't a lot of detail in those except for there was a civil lawsuit. Now, it appears like it's a specific lawyer that is behind this rather than, say, a alleged victim.

[Julian]

Right.

[Mal]

This is something that he has been doing, allegedly for quite some time.

[Julian]

These allegations are so heinous in nature that I implore you to file a criminal complaint, not a civil one. Whomever would commit such a crime against a minor should be locked away. Would you not agree these alleged victims would deserve real justice if that were the case? This lawyer, who I have done a bit of research on, seems to have a pattern of these type of theatrics. I have no idea how you have to. How you have come to be such a deplorable human, Mr. Busby, but I promise you, I have seen your con many times over. I'm more than prepared to deal with your type. You claim to be a Marine. Marines are known for their valor. You have neither honor nor dignity.

[Mal]

You can stop there. And I do want to get into the second part of this, but I do want to react first to the top of that message. We later got more details about this lawyer filing this lawsuit back in October, where Jay could have easily had the girl sign an NDA, give her a lump sum of money, and it would disappear.

[Julian]

Right?

[Mal]

Which he went on to say, no, fuck that, let's go all the way with it. Which to me says a lot. I see people comparing these two things between Puff and Jay. Two people are doing completely different paths and quote, unquote, allegations right now. I think everyone should have due process, including the alleged victim, and we should see this thing through. Just going off the first actions from the outside looking in of what Puff did after a full detail report. That is, by the way, not just a lawyer filing something in behind the scenes to try to get someone to settle, right? Paperwork went clear and puff before we could even finish those documents. Settled. The NDA happened, right? Jay said no to all of that. If you want to go public, you can't blackmail me by saying, oh, I'll take this public. If you want, do it right. Let's fucking go there.

[Julian]

He continues and says, my only heartbreak is for my family. My wife and I will have to sit our children down, one of whom is at the age where her friends will surely see the press and ask questions about the nature of these claims and explain the cruelty and greed of people. I mourn yet another loss of innocence. Children should not have to endure such at their young age. It is unfair to have to try to understand inexplicable degrees of malice meant to destroy families and human spirit. My heart and support goes out to true victims in the world who have to watch how their life story is dressed in costume for profitability by this ambulance chaser in a cheap suit. Bars, you have made a terrible error in judgment thinking that all celebrities are the same. I'm not from your world. I'm a young man who made it out of the projects of Brooklyn. We don't play these types of games. We have very strict codes and honor. We protect children. You seem to exploit people for personal gain. Only your network of conspiracy theorists fake physics will believe the idiotic claims you have levied against me. That if not for the seriousness surrounding harm to kids, would be laughable. I look forward to showing you just how different I am.

[Damaris]

Him in this gamer writer.

[Rory]

So I think he meant fake psychics. He just spelled it wrong. But you said. You did say it right. But I think he meant psychics.

[Mal]

And like why I think this was really Jay on his couch is because of the spelling mistakes. I think he was like, yo, post the shit. Yeah, I don't want anyone else to reread this because you guys are going to start telling me to cut shit out or say it differently. No, this is how I feel about some crazy shit said about me. Here you go.

[Damaris]

The lawyer Busby, obviously a lot of stuff has come out about him and people online and locally in the Houston community where he is a lawyer have said that he is notoriously known as a. A sheisty guy and someone that's done just kind of bad dealings in the past. Yeah, that's what I've just been reading up on him in the history of him like in the association.

[Mal]

I forgot the lawyer that does like the no jumper, which we don't even need to look it up, who cares? But he was on last night saying Busby is the most successful lawyer in the country. And all the comments under it. We're not even like ho stands or just a bunch of people from Texas going, he's not even the best lawyer in the county. The United. What are y'all talking about? Yeah, listen, we've always been on the side of victims getting their, their just due.

[Julian]

Absolutely.

[Mal]

This one, from the information we've gotten out the gate, seems like a cash grab. I commend Jay for saying, let's go all the way and let's make sure all the evidence is on the table.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

So I would say let's see this play out, but I don't know if there's really going to be much here. I think Busby's tactic didn't, his only plan didn't work.

[Julian]

I mean, I think they were banking on Jay settling out of court for an undisclosed amount. And just, just so. Because as we were talking earlier off mic, a lot of things these days, you know, they'll know that they don't have a case, but just the public perception being ruined and somebody like Jay Z having this accusation on his jacket now, it affects him moving forward in his legacy. Because whether he's found, you know, which I believe and I know to be true, that he's a thousand percent innocent, it's still going to be something that people in certain circles and spaces want to bring up. Of course, oh, he had money to make it disappear. This, that, you know, they're going to lean on that part of it. This is all just a bunch of bullshit. It just is what it is. Like Jay Z is not raping and holding down a 13 year old girl. That's just not, that's, that's absolutely disgusting. To even put that out there with.

[Mal]

Puff while another celebrity.

[Julian]

This is absolutely stupid.

[Rory]

And let's. So I, because we are the, the whole cast, right. I do want to tiptoe around this. Not tiptoe, but like I do want to be objective in this and I want you guys to share the reasoning for why you don't believe this case in general. And I don't want it to just be because I know Jay Z. I want to talk about.

[Julian]

It's not about knowing. I don't even like, it's not, it's not it at all. It's just, this is just absolutely. Okay, so a 13 year old girl signed the NDA, went to an after party, she got raped, she escaped the house, made it across the street down the block to a gas station, called her father. Her father picks her up from this gas station, which is. This was in 2000. It's supposed to be. So 24 years ago this happened. And this is the first time we're ever like, the father didn't go in that house.

[Mal]

I don't really want to go that route because I do think there is a world where that's probably happened somewhere. Like, it's always tough to say with rape cases, time. I always think that's a cheap thing because there's been plenty of rape cases that are true that do come out 20 years later. It's a rough process for women when these types of things happen, especially when they are children and maybe we're out doing something they shouldn't have done. I shouldn't be at this party and I'm not gonna tell anyone that I got raped. And keep it to themselves until they're adults and their brain processes it. So that's not why I don't think this is true. I think it's. The moves that have been made since October with this case aren't really movements of someone that is guilty is really where I'm on the side. I. I just.

[Julian]

None of this shit sounds believable. None of it. It's just the most.

[Mal]

I agree.

[Julian]

Like, what do you. What. What is this?

[Damaris]

But you can understand because kind of what Damaris is prying like optically, you can understand why the Internet and some people would feel emboldened enough to turn against Jay and say we knew it. He's been this guy. You know, and if you all the. They're just kind of going with the story, you can see why. Like, because when they say I'm getting.

[Julian]

Some people say like people online say he's been this guy. What does that mean?

[Damaris]

Well, I mean, just optically. He said for a long standing friendship with Diddy, they do the. The brunch thing. There's obviously all you need is a bunch of photos with someone and then. And that means you're accused of everything that person did.

[Julian]

That's crazy.

[Damaris]

He did two tours with R. Kelly. They have two albums. Like there's just like. It's just enough for people to be like, oh yes, this makes sense.

[Rory]

There's no way you're next to all these nasty ass and not being.

[Damaris]

You're not.

[Rory]

But yeah, yeah, and I hear what you're saying with that. That's the way that people think. I also think that people are a little slow. And I don't mean that in a Disrespectful way. But.

[Julian]

No, I mean it. Disrespectful.

[Rory]

No, but like, but it's. No, it's because I. Respectfully, I think you're stupid. I think people see celebrities together in pictures and everybody's like, they're friends. And it's just like they do the same shit with us. And if we make it local in podcasting, they see us next to other podcasters and they assume that we're friends. And it's like, we are colleagues, we are co workers, we know each other through certain circles. If we're not in a podcast studio or at a podcasting event, we don't see or speak to these people. And I think it's the same with. From what I've heard and from what we all.

[Mal]

Think, you can say that it's stupid because I saw last night two people put Puff's address and J and Beyonce's address, and they live in the same neighborhood. And there was a full blown thread of debates of the tunnel that could go through that canyon from Puff's house to Jay and Beyonce's house. And granted, I don't know Jay like that, like, for real, but I do know that he doesn't really like Puff the way y'all think. He likes Puff to the point that Puff couldn't get a key to the house, let alone a tunnel into his house.

[Rory]

A key. Lucky if you get an invite.

[Julian]

Yeah. This shit is just. It's laughable, man. And. And you know, like he said, if it wasn't something as serious as kids being sexually assaulted, you would have to laugh at this shit. Now, what are we talking about, man?

[Mal]

The objective side? Cause I agree with Damaris, we've been admitted Hovingers, so let's be fair here. So a lot of people making some fair points of him saying, all right, we'll take it to criminal court. We don't know what the exact charges are because it was a civil lawsuit, but there is statute of limitations on rape. So he could be having this bravado because he knows it can't go to criminal court and it'll make him look better. I'm not a lawyer, I don't know if that's the exact case, but I thought that was one of the only fair things to come out of a criticism of his approach. And then they did the whole timeline between him and Beyonce, which, I mean, she was 19. And I've been on record saying it's super weird when 30 year olds talk to teenagers. And I'll stick By that, But I don't think that makes you a pedophile. My only other criticism is, is it's light. I just knew it was going to get misinterpreted. And it's a trending topic now. Jay Z, so honorable. Like a bunch of idiots. But it's a thing. I know at the bottom he was talking about him and his crew in the projects, but let's not pretend like children are not always protected in the projects and children not always harmed in the projects. I know he's. I know he's talking about him and his crew, his story from the projects. And we don't play these type of games. We have a strict code. That's not always the case in the project.

[Julian]

Oh, but he's speaking from his vantage, his standpoint.

[Mal]

But people are taking it as.

[Julian]

Yeah, but people gonna take. If he said, you know, if he's. Whatever he said, people are gonna take it and dissect it and run a different way with it. That's just, you know, the world we in now with everybody having, you know, access to social media and creating accounts, everybody feels like they can add in and jump in on a conversation and just, you know, express their feelings and, you know, that's part of it. We understand that, which is why public perception, you know, people will hang you publicly, you know, so that the. The public looks at you like, oh, he's a piece of shit. When it's like, you know, you do realize this. I mean, to this day, people still bring up Michael Jackson when it comes to pedophilia. And it was like, yo, you know that he was. There was nothing ever found that is elite leaves even any amount of credence to those claims. Like, people don't know that, but they just know that he was in court because somebody said that he touched some.

[Rory]

Kids and that became his entire.

[Julian]

And that became a part of his legacy. Now when you bring up Michael Jackson, you bring up that case and you bring up, oh, he likes little kids. And it's like, that's the thing that they stick to you, that will follow you forever, even when you're found not guilty. And there's no truth to any of these claims, and that's the fucked up part about it, is that no matter what is found here, and like I said, I'll stand on it and I'll stand on it forever. That I know this is complete bullshit when it comes to Jay, but I just know publicly what this will do to him for the rest of his life.

[Rory]

Yeah, go ahead and I just wanna say that I think as somebody who, again, mall is speaking from a different perspective from the rest of us. Because I can't speak to Jay Z's character because I do not know him.

[Julian]

I can speak to him.

[Rory]

Okay, I know. That's why I said you're speaking from a different perspective than the rest of us. So as far as me not being jumping gung ho to believe this actually has nothing to do with what I think Jay Z's character is or what I think he is or isn't capable of doing. I don't know that, man. He could be capable of anything. When I'm talking about comm and the way that Jay has moved throughout his career, the way that him and Beyonce, just the privacy that they have, the idea and the notion of Jay Z being with Puff and holding down, no matter how old she was, holding down a girl and raping her in a room with Puff and another person in the room. That doesn't even if he was nasty, that doesn't make sense with the way that Jay Z has moved throughout his life.

[Damaris]

Do that shit in private.

[Rory]

You're making a joke out of it. But what I'm saying is, if he was to be a nasty man, again, I don't know him. If he being objective, if he was to be a nasty man. Everything Jay Z has done in his careers has showed that he's not gonna do that shit in the fucking audience. So that's what just doesn't make any sense to me. Not caping for who he is as a person. Like I said, I don't know him. But just like putting pieces together of the way that people have moved throughout their careers, some shit just don't make sense.

[Mal]

And to my fellow conspiracy theorists, we should look at every case as its own, not as one big clump. I don't think Bill Cosby was trying to buy NBC. And that's why he clearly was guilty of all the shit he was accused of. I don't think it was because he was buying NBC and they planted all that shit on him. I believe that Bill Cosby was a nasty fuck. Even with the times that he was living in. Still a nasty fuck to me now I think Puff is a nasty fuck too. Do I think there was maybe an agenda because of his situation with Diageo? Sure. But two things can be true. I also think Puff is a nasty fuck. Was there incentive to try to get him the fuck outta here because he wasn't playing a game with somebody cool? But the evidence is still There. So lock him up. Now. Let's treat this situation differently because it's a different case. I think there's a lot going on with hov. Gambling is at the highest it's ever been on Earth. It's clear that ROC Nation is bidding for the Caesar's palace situation in Times Square. I don't even need to really explain how big that is in the world. I could see this being part of it. He recently had a situation with. Who was it?

[Julian]

Bacardi.

[Mal]

Bacardi. That didn't play out too well. And I'm not saying that that is why people get accused in this situation with those two things. I could see this ambulance chaser being funded for a smear campaign. When some of the biggest companies in the world right now are being outbid by a black guy. I could see it.

[Julian]

I think it's all tied in and it's. You know, it's. The wild part is that I think most people understand that that could be part of it. It's like, so we know what's going on. We know what happens when you reach certain heights and you reach certain levels and you start having certain conversations, you know, and rubbing shoulders with some guys that never thought that you would make it anywhere near their boardroom, and now they're sitting there and they have to outbid you. You know, people don't like that. So they, you know, they try to, you know, reach back in the past and find something, anything that will damage you. You know, the perception of who you are and. And the legacy that you've created. Just so it may kind of hinder, you know, whatever you're trying to do on the business front. It'll turn some people away. Some people might not want to be attached to you business wise. They don't want to stand next to you anymore. It's a nasty game, man. It's a nasty game when you reach those heights. And, you know, I just think somebody like Jay is obviously, you know, if you listen to his music throughout the years, he knows what's coming. He's prepared for it. He understands the game that he's in now. He understands that he's, you know, he's not wanted in certain. Certain rooms and certain positions. You know, I just think it's fucked up, and it's unfortunate that he has to deal with this. But again, man, I, you know, I'm on the side of knowing who Jay is as a person, knowing his character, knowing where his moral compass is. And, you know, when you start talking about abusing sexually Assaulting kids, you know, that's just not. That's just not in his character at all.

[Mal]

Yeah. And again, I think everything is case by case basis. I fully think there's a bunch of nasty fucking people in the music industry.

[Julian]

Oh, for sure.

[Mal]

That Jay has rubbed shoulders with clearly joint albums and everything. I. I totally get that outrage. And I think that's something that, you know, should. Should have been addressed at some point. I think ho probably thought it's just been so long that addressing the R. Kelly situation would have been weird. But I do fully understand people that are at least sane and not on the crazy conspiracy side of, like, there's, you know, dead children in Beyonce and Jay Z's basement. Yeah, I would question that as a casual fan. Like, all right, everyone knew, and you did a tour with him, and then Aaliyah was around. Like, I get the logic of that. It's not my place to try to explain it. It would be theirs. But I see why people want an explanation for that.

[Damaris]

That's all I'm saying.

[Mal]

Yeah, I get why someone would be like, okay, but this was. This was not like some rape shit. But this was weird.

[Julian]

I mean, but you.

[Mal]

R. Kelly was rape, right?

[Julian]

But you say. See, even when you say, you know, on tour with R. Kelly did music, it's a bunch of artists that have toured with R. Kelly, it's a bunch of musicians that toured R. Kelly. It's a bunch of publicists. It's a bunch of fucking, like. So none of those people are considered nasty. I agree with you. It's just the artists that did the song with them.

[Mal]

And see, this is. Goes back to our conversation. I think it was like, at the top of this year, maybe, where we came in here and said, like, it's tough to go through with this music industry because no matter what, you're going to feel like a hypocrite. Even if I don't know what people do in their own bedrooms, you rub shoulders in this demonic. And I'm not doing Illuminati shit, this demonic industry, and shit comes out and it's. You're like. Like, it doesn't make you a bad person. You did not know. You did not participate, but you're still part of it. And to have an explanation for everyone that works within show business, all of us are gonna have to go to the podium, be like, well, yeah, I worked with him. I didn't fucking know him.

[Julian]

Right.

[Mal]

But some people say with Jay, you know, Aaliyah was hanging out with them, dating Dame. Dame has Been vocal that Aaliyah explained the situation. So that's also where people are like, all right, if you knew that, why would you work with him? But I don't know. There could be more to the story. I don't know.

[Julian]

Right, Right. Either way, it's unfortunate, again, to see somebody like Jay have to go through this, and we just gonna have to sit back and watch this. Watch this play out over the next few months.

[Mal]

And yet, listen, this is not HOV bias here. Let it go to court. I don't think it's true. But if it's true, fuck him.

[Julian]

Yeah. No, absolutely fuck him. But in his response, he's on that side. Let it go to court again. This could have been stuck, and we never would have. His name would have never been involved in any of this. They could have stepped on this months ago, settled out, and we would have never gotten any of this. But the fact that him and his team was like, no, no, no, no, no. We're not settling nothing. Let them. That speaks to when you know exactly who you are. Like, oh, this is what y'all think I've done in my life. Okay, all right, well, let's go to court, and let's let the evidence. Put everything on the desk and show me where you think that I did that at.

[Damaris]

Tony Busby put out a statement following Jay's statement regarding the Jay Z case and his efforts to silence my clients. Mr. Carter previously denied being the one who sued me and my firm, he filed his frivolous case under a pseudonym. What he fails to say in his recent statement is that my firm sent his lawyer a demand letter on behalf of an alleged victim, and that victim never demanded a penny from him. Instead, she only sought a confidential mediation.

[Mal]

Can you stop real quick, Julian?

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I read this last night and was confused, and again, I don't know. Lawyer jargon is a lawyer calling his own client an alleged victim.

[Rory]

Well, you always say alleged victim.

[Mal]

No. A good lawyer gets in front and says, my client was abused. That person is guilty. I've never heard a lawyer unless they were on the side of the person getting accused of something. This is all allegations. This isn't true. But a lawyer that is defending a victim would never say, and I could be reading this wrong because I'm stupid. And I'm sure in the comments, they'll show how stupid I am. But I read that as, why is a lawyer saying alleged? Yeah, that's crazy for your defense to say alleged, but go ahead, Julian. I'm sorry.

[Damaris]

That's a Fair point. It's funny you said that because there was a clip going around about Busby talking about the Diddy case in particular.

[Mal]

He's been around for a couple of the ones that were.

[Damaris]

And openly saying some of the stuff is not substantiated. He's just. Sometimes you just go with stuff even before it becomes a fact. He's filed a bunch openly saying that.

[Mal]

And. And Puffs. Puff's lawyer replied to this too. We don't need to read that. But to Mall's point, what sucks is Puff's lawyer is right. Maybe in that response, because this is probably. And then it has people looking like, oh, well, if that case, man, maybe some of this other Puff shit isn't true. Like it takes away from actual victims.

[Julian]

And maybe not. Maybe it's not.

[Mal]

Because that woman originally filed against Puff for the rape, and that could very well be true. And then later they added in that Jay was right there too. But it takes away from this entire thing because if Hov takes this all the way and it's clear that he is not guilty, I think that has people questioning wrongfully. So a lot of the Puff shit.

[Julian]

Which is like, crazy, that's what he spoke to. There's real victims, you know, there's people that really, this is their life. They really dealt with shit like this. So for somebody to be trying to put these claims on you just for a money grab or, you know, just to, you know, assassinate my character publicly, it's a, It's a slap in the face to, you know, women that live with this type of pain and trauma. And to see that, you know, people that just pop out and have these, what they call egregious claims, you know, it. It kind of up all of those other cases because now you start questioning everything. You start saying, oh, I don't. We've seen this before. Somebody said this and come to find out they were lying and they were just trying to do this and do so, you know, it's. It's all around. It's just a, It's a, It's a real, real fucked up situation. But, you know, I like the fact that, you know, him, Jay and his team, they like, okay, well, we not gonna, you know, just cash out and, and let try to resolve this quietly. No, no, no. Let's make this public and let me show you again, like he said, let me show you exactly how different I am. So, yeah.

[Mal]

Which I thought would be a great name for his next album, but it's attached to something that's up yeah, no.

[Julian]

I mean, but let me show you.

[Mal]

How different I am. I would love to hear that album.

[Julian]

I mean, only you would name your.

[Rory]

Album something like that. J wouldn't.

[Mal]

I mean, for the past few albums, that's been his. His theme. Let me show you how different I am. Right.

[Damaris]

Gotta have different office album titles.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

It's a fact.

[Damaris]

Let's finish this statement real quick because he does have a few more. Since I sent the letter on her behalf, Mr. Carter has not only sued me, but has tried to bully and harass me and this plaintiff. His conduct has had his con. His conduct has had the opposite impact. She's emboldened, and I am proud of her resolve. As far as the allegations in the complaint filed, we will let the filing speak for itself, and we will litigate the facts in the court, not in the media.

[Mal]

So he also went on Instagram and said, people are. Now, this is before it went public. He said people were harassing his children and all this. That's where these things start. To the lawyer. Yes.

[Julian]

Okay.

[Mal]

On his ig, when he showed. When he posted his photo of him as a Marine. Because Jay brought up the Marine. That's just another thing. It's not my HOV bias. I don't think hov's team is that stupid that they would send someone to harass his children. No, Like, I just. That's just dumb.

[Julian]

No, that's just not just.

[Mal]

It takes away more credibility from this guy.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

There's no way that Hove's legal team is sending people to harass your children.

[Julian]

But what is this? What. What does this say, though? Obviously, it says, you know, now Jay is one of the guys that people are probably gonna gun for now. He's obviously reached that level. Been at that level for some time now.

[Mal]

I think there's been plenty of. I'm not saying the sexual assault stuff, but there's been plenty of civil lawsuits I'm sure we know nothing about. Oh, yeah, that hit hov's desk for sure. Weekly for sure.

[Julian]

And this is just, you know, this is one that I'm guessing that his team was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Enough.

[Mal]

I think it was Jay.

[Julian]

Oh, no, I definitely believe that part of it. I'm not. I'm not doubting that at all. But again, that's because, you know, when you just know who you are, man, it's just. I don't care what accusations. I don't care who's saying what. All right. What they saying about. All right, come on. Man, sit down. Let's put this out publicly. Like, all right. Where y'all think that's what I was doing?

[Rory]

And I also think that. I also think that Blue Ivy getting older has a lot to do with shit now.

[Mal]

Hell, yeah.

[Rory]

Because it's now. It's like. Like he said, like, people can tell my kid this.

[Julian]

Yeah, we know.

[Rory]

Yeah. Now we ain't. Now it's just. I'm not talking to you. Like, now I'm. You know, I can't just be Jay Z. Ignore everything now, because I have a kid who has to go to school.

[Julian]

You know, I have a daughter that's of age, and her friends, you know, they. They're all online and they read things, and obviously they know who her parents are.

[Rory]

And she's supposed to be doing press right now. She's in the new Lion King. So it's just like this huge moment in her little baby career is now overshadowed by this.

[Mal]

And I feel like that's the only move you can do with situations like this, because I do agree with Hovis. There goes some lost innocence, like, having to explain this so early in her life. The only way to try to make it a positive when you know you're not guilty is to have your kids watch you fight for the truth.

[Julian]

Absolutely.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Like, that's the only way you can flip this to something good for your family. Like, this is like, watch us fight for. Fight for the truth. Fight for yourself.

[Julian]

Because this is what happens when your dad is who he is and your mom is who she is. People, you know, it's a certain level of greed, and people are, you know, don't like to see you, you know, you being well off and being wealthy. So they try to attack that. They attack your character, and they try to say, oh, you know, yeah, he's successful, but he's also a piece of shit, and he's a. He's a rapist, and he's this. He's a pedophile. It's just, you know, it's. And it's. But again, the problem is we've seen this before, and we know that this is part of what seems to be an ongoing thing when certain black celebrities reach a certain level in a certain plateau on the business side, because you have celebrities, black celebrities that, you know, they successful in their art and whatever they do, but they never venture into that business world, that heavy, and try to now become a part of that world.

[Rory]

So who would you. Because I'm listening to you. Who would. And just to be objective, who would you put in that category of people who were accused of things and they're trying to take them down, but that you believe aren't guilty. Because a lot of people have been accused of things and we hear a lot of that. They're trying to take a black man down. But it'd be people like Puff and it's like, yeah, but you did that shit. So.

[Julian]

Oh, yeah. I'm not saying everybody innocent, but I'm just saying I'm talking more so like, when you look at, you know, the Michael Jackson thing, because that for me, I was, you know, old enough to remember that whole thing. And, you know, once that became a thing, it was like, that's all people would. You could not turn on the tv. You cannot look at a magazine cover and not see Michael Jackson either on his way to court or leaving court. And it was during that time, it.

[Mal]

Was positioned that way because I was younger and even like, for example, my family, casual, like news watchers. If you're a casual person that just works day to day and isn't like engulfed in the shit, all you're going to see is Michael Jackson is a pedophile. And watch him go in and out of court nonstop. Average person is going to be like, that's crazy. Michael Jackson a pedophile.

[Damaris]

I think something that's interesting, like when we see reports like this come out about Jay, other people. I don't. Guilty or not, I think that there's like a thing where people that, well.

[Mal]

Him and R. Kelly have a song.

[Damaris]

Called Not Guilty, live a regular life and just like go through, you know, a normal day. I think when something like this comes in and it takes down a celebrity, knocks them down a peg, it makes them. Makes them less than human. Because now it's like, okay, I don't put this person down a pedestal. I'm better than them because of the horrible stuff they did. Now that even though they're a billionaire, they're below me because of this. These acts that they did throughout their life, therefore I'm better than them. I think it's a lot of that. I think it's people that always just want the ability to say, well, even though they're that. That meaning an A list or a.

[Julian]

Celebrity piece of shit.

[Damaris]

Of course, piece of shit. And therefore I have made better life decisions, although I'm not that I'm better than them because of. I would never see. I would never do that. Even though, you know, I live check to check and might not have a job, like, whatever the case may be. It just kind of like gives you a pass to accept and excuse all the not even bad stuff you've done in your life, but, like, maybe your shortcomings in your career or your personal life or how you feel about yourself in your situation. I think a lot of people look at this as an escape to be like, well, I didn't fudge a 13 year old. That's why I'm not there. At least I like, have, you know, a job.

[Mal]

It's kind of like the Illuminati theory. And while I do believe there is some form of that, we have put it on so many people because we think there's no way they could be that successful without some spiritual connection to something or selling their soul or becoming gay or sacrificing a baby. Like, now, some people work really hard and just. They're really talented and become successful. But there's so many people that sit back and do nothing with their lives that can't fathom that someone could be that successful without some type of cheat code. Yeah.

[Julian]

Well, that's what Jay spoke to in his response. Like, I'm not. All celebrities are.

[Mal]

We can do that.

[Julian]

Yeah. And this is some weird shit. And I look forward to showing you exactly how different I am. All of that speaks to what you just said. It's like, no, some of us can really be this successful and really make these great business decisions and these business moves and not have done some crazy, wild shit in our past to get here.

[Damaris]

But it's hard for people to fathom, like, Jay, someone like Jay in a city like New York, coming from the Marcy projects. It's like, we know so many people that have never left that project or if they. If they leave their debtor in jail route or they're. Nothing comes of their life. He is where he's at because of these chain of events he did that put him in those rooms where he had to do all these. The shady shit, the fucking. The killing, drinking baby blood, all that stuff. So it's like the thought of a person just getting out of that situation and bettering themselves is so.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Beyond the realm of possibility that it's like, okay, well, he only did it because he had to do all this.

[Julian]

Right.

[Mal]

And I mean, you know me, members of the Illuminati, there would be if, like, that's all it took to get rich and famous.

[Julian]

Right.

[Mal]

I had to do more to become a Kappa. If I could be rich and famous for the rest of my life to just drink some baby blood.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Like, all the money in the world. Every dream I ever wanted to achieve. Have my family set up for the rest of their lives. Bring over the. The chalice.

[Rory]

Rory's.

[Mal]

I'll drink a whole cup of that.

[Rory]

Baby, Rory's joking.

[Damaris]

Where's Amara?

[Rory]

Rory's joking.

[Mal]

We have to draw blood from her.

[Damaris]

Yeah, bro. Yeah.

[Mal]

She has to get blood work done.

[Julian]

You'll take.

[Mal]

Do a little shot of that and I'm good.

[Damaris]

What do you think's in Rory's cup?

[Julian]

He takes it home like a Capri Sun.

[Damaris]

Adrenochrome.

[Mal]

Guys, I've had. No more. No more jokes.

[Rory]

Well, I mean, just not on children. We don't. We don't joke on children.

[Mal]

I was talking about my own child.

[Damaris]

Yeah, it's different. Free game.

[Julian]

Yeah, he's actually the dad, so it's like. It's a little different.

[Damaris]

Speaking of children, I've had her sitting.

[Mal]

There getting her blood drawn. If I could just. Let me get one of those little samples, because they told me her life would be set if I take a shot of that.

[Julian]

Yeah, take a quick shot, like communion. Yeah, I get it.

[Damaris]

While we're.

[Mal]

It's the body of Christ. I drank. I drank Jesus's blood.

[Julian]

Exactly.

[Damaris]

While we're recording, they allegedly found the man that shot the United Held CEO. This is real time right now. That's our breaking news thing.

[Julian]

So UnitedHealthcare CEO assassin suspect identified as Luigi Mangioni. I think I said that right?

[Mal]

Hold on. Stop right now. This feels fake. Just because that guy's face looks like a Luigi. That's. That. That checks out too much.

[Julian]

It says he's a 26, so we.

[Mal]

Got to make up a name for him. That's Luigi for sure.

[Damaris]

Oh, here you go. Here you go.

[Julian]

He's a 26 year old former Ivy.

[Damaris]

League student, went to Penn.

[Julian]

He was taken into custody this morning at a Pennsylvania McDonald's and caught with a manifesto that appeared to list grievances with the healthcare industry. He has not been charged yet.

[Rory]

See, I will believe you until you say he caught with the manifesto. Everybody not carrying around a manifesto. Y'all gotta stop writing the same book over and over again. Come on, bro.

[Julian]

I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure somebody on social media will find this same picture of this guy as being another crisis actor or somebody in a whole nother event that happened.

[Mal]

Tell me they've already been doing that with the hostel photo, the Starbucks photo.

[Julian]

Yeah, like, I don't know.

[Mal]

I've seen so much conflicting stories with this from the news to my conspiracy theory Reddit threads that I don't even really know what this.

[Julian]

But you know, it's. We got to keep in mind that a life was lost. Right. Obviously there's a family grieving the loss of a loved one and then people. And then people. I mean. I mean, what.

[Rory]

Not you. These two that don't care.

[Julian]

Yeah, but there's still somebody. I mean, you don't. But this.

[Damaris]

I'm sure if he has kids.

[Julian]

There's a family grieving the loss of this guy. And not only that, to see now that they have, you know, they were holding like a lookalike, a suspect shooter look alike.

[Mal]

That was sick contest somewhere. We're in a weird place.

[Damaris]

That's weird. Yeah. I'm not. That's weird.

[Julian]

Like what is happening right now.

[Mal]

But I don't. I don't tie that to. We have to remember a life was lost to more just like weird. Like how much more stuff are we going to do for the Internet at this point? But yeah, that's a separate combo. Damaris. No, I don't feel that way. Yeah. Everyone has had to pay for their father's sins before that. Never got $31 billion.

[Damaris]

I would like my.

[Mal]

Sometimes. Sometimes how the universe works is you get back what you give.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Unfortunately, it doesn't happen enough. So, yeah, like life was lost. Okay, let's go into what that life was doing.

[Damaris]

I would like my flowers. Apparently, the. The gentleman Luigi hated the medical community because of how it treated one of his sick relatives. So I said, you just piss off a kid that had someone die that didn't have to die. You throw a whole family in debt and then you're gonna get like, this happens.

[Mal]

This gentleman probably paid every cent to his health insurance or his family member did and was denied. He was told, if I get this, I will be healthy. You guys are profiting all this. All right, cool. That's. Whatever. As long as I'm healthy and gets denied for that. And people are surprised that someone took action into their own hands. You want us to believe in this justice system? Believe in your health care system. But look at us. Crazy if we want to kill the person that lied to us.

[Julian]

Right.

[Mal]

That's how I feel with this entire thing. So I don't really have a rest in peace.

[Julian]

Yeah, no, I'm not rest in peace. But, you know, I also don't want to sit. Sit around and make fun of, you know, somebody being killed as well. Like, that's just. This is not what I'm here for. But I do understand what you're saying. I. Listen, you know, this. This guy obviously had a family relative that went through something with medical field, probably couldn't get health care for surgery or, you know, whatever was going on, and obviously felt like this was the way to retaliate by killing the CEO of the insurance company. So, you know, I get it. Every reaction has a reaction. But again, having look alike contest for the shooter and all, that's, you know, that's when it just becomes beyond weird for me.

[Mal]

Yeah. But let's get out of all these very, very serious topics and get into some absolutely ridiculous topics.

[Julian]

Blasphemous topics.

[Mal]

Forbes put out a list that doesn't have to do with money.

[Julian]

Oh, list season.

[Mal]

It's the end of the year, man. You know what's coming.

[Julian]

Here come the lists.

[Mal]

Every year we give the. We give these publications what they fucking want. They poke us and they poke us and we always react.

[Julian]

I didn't.

[Mal]

So we are.

[Julian]

I didn't want to talk about this. You did.

[Mal]

Well, only because it's Forbes.

[Julian]

Okay.

[Mal]

They put out the top 50.

[Julian]

That's why I didn't want to talk.

[Mal]

About the 50 top rappers of all time.

[Julian]

Rappers.

[Mal]

Now I was thinking maybe they were trying to get some credibility because it's some culture vulture shit to always put lists of, like, what rappers are doing with money. They're trying to prove that they're really students of the game, that they know they told. They're really part of the culture. Like, we can talk about the money, but because we care about, like, the roots of this entire thing. So that's why MIA is on our top 50 rappers of all time. And black thought isn't right.

[Julian]

Naturally, it's the Forbes.

[Mal]

Where would you rank Bad Bunny in, like, your top rappers?

[Julian]

I didn't even know Bad Bunny was a rapper, but okay.

[Mal]

I mean, none of us in here. Well, you're Puerto Rican. But is Bad Bunny considered a rapper?

[Julian]

I don't think so. No.

[Damaris]

I don't know what he is.

[Julian]

Categorically not rap. I could tell you that.

[Rory]

Could be a rapper. He be rapping.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

Because I listened to him this morning and it was. It was a verse with, like some bars on it.

[Julian]

No, he has. Yes, he has songs.

[Damaris]

He raps. Yeah, yeah.

[Mal]

In the event that he is considered a rapper, I may be shooting Forbes some bail here of the crossover and the shit that he's changed over the last few years. Yeah, he could be considered in the top 50 if people consider him a rapper. He did something for a Whole genre. It's a big. I don't consider him a rapper, but, you know, I'm just white.

[Julian]

All right, so if you consider him a rapper, he's on this list. If he's saying, okay, he's a rapper, you have him above Pusha T. No. And Lupe.

[Rory]

What about Daddy Yankee? Like, why he ain't getting his shine?

[Mal]

Yeah. Sean Paul could rap.

[Damaris]

Sean Paul's a rapper.

[Mal]

And Jamaicans. And that's bad that we're just comparing. It's not even the same genre, but, you know, it's Forbes. I. I don't know. What are we doing with this season?

[Julian]

I don't. Bro, I don't want to ever talk about nobody's list. I'm gonna just say that right now to y'all. I don't care about release your own. No. For what? This is stupid. I don't debate a list.

[Mal]

Well, off. Off. Mike Tamaras brought up a point without quickly looking at it. Were they doing the top 50 richest rappers? And then I saw.

[Julian]

No, it says it.

[Mal]

That Mia was also above Cardi B. Yeah. And I'm not counting anyone's pockets. I'm just gonna go out on a limb and say that maybe she doesn't have more money.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

So they sound like an Mia hater. I like Mia, but is she a rapper?

[Rory]

Forbes said between critical acclaim, cultural influence, album sales, innovation in the genre and more.

[Julian]

Innovation in the genre, putting in.

[Mal]

Your description and more is hilarious.

[Damaris]

Yeah, explain. It's your rules. You have to tell us the rules.

[Julian]

Yeah. This is a big bunch of though.

[Mal]

Which is crazy, because we. We critique actual hip hop platforms of, like, doing this because we don't really know who's behind it and who's doing it, what their taste is. Now we have Forbes doing it. And didn't New York Times just put something out?

[Rory]

Yeah. Top songs, top 50 or something songs of 2024.

[Mal]

Is this the woman?

[Damaris]

This is who wrote it.

[Mal]

Okay. I'm sure she's a great journalist. She works for Forbes or writes for Forbes. I'm not trying to take away anything from her career, but I feel like with this list in Instagram.

[Julian]

See, this is who wrote the Forbes list.

[Rory]

It doesn't mean that she wrote the list. It doesn't mean that she did the criteria for the list. She wrote the article, but she got.

[Mal]

That criteria and landed on Mia. Yeah.

[Rory]

I wouldn't call it.

[Julian]

We got to blame her for it. What's her name? Andrea. What? Andrea Bassi.

[Rory]

Fashion, beauty and art and culture.

[Julian]

Okay, so check out the culture is where she can name the top 50 rappers. Yeah, got it.

[Rory]

Well, I feel like the the New York Times best songs of 2024 list is a little bit more accurate.

[Julian]

Another list?

[Rory]

Yeah, List, season.

[Julian]

It's list season.

[Mal]

Listed.

[Julian]

Listed.

[Mal]

We have more. This is just the early shit. We have the ones that are really gonna piss us off coming up.

[Rory]

Oh, beat up for sure. Beat up. Pisses me off every year.

[Mal]

But I've never met a song one. Sometimes tends to be easier than, like, a 50 greatest rapper of all time. Number one, we don't need to say. Makes sense. Checks out number two, Beyonce, Texas hold'em. I'm not mad at that.

[Julian]

Okay.

[Rory]

I think they're going off influence.

[Mal]

Yeah, because, like, 16 candles to me was the better song out of that two pack.

[Rory]

It's not 16 candle. 16 carriages.

[Mal]

Is this 16 candles a movie or something?

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mal]

16 carriages.

[Julian]

I'm sorry, your dyslexia is, like, just jump out. Your dyslexia just jumps out and choke. Chokes your ass.

[Mal]

It's not even dyslexia. It's just another form that's, like, not diagnosed.

[Julian]

Oh, okay. Some new.

[Mal]

Is that, like, movie dyslexia, artist dyslexia? Because nothing was dyslexic there. Didn't say 61 carriages.

[Julian]

Right, right.

[Rory]

16 candle.

[Damaris]

I get what this contributor is doing.

[Rory]

Yeah, me too.

[Damaris]

They're not picking, like, the. The like. Obviously, if you see Sabrina Carpenter, you would think it would be Espresso, but this contributed. Please, please, please. Which is a great song, but, like, we can be honest. It's Espresso. If you're gonna listen, if you're gonna talk about her year. And then for Shaboozy, the number four song, they picked Good News. Oh, not tipsy. Really? You're gonna. So they're doing this whole. Like they're doing. If Rory were to write one of these.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

This is the beast in pitchfor all.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

A bar song is diamond, but have you heard Good News?

[Mal]

Which, by the way, that's the one.

[Damaris]

That's the real one.

[Rory]

But see, I feel that way, too about the Tyler song that they have on there. They have the Safer. T. Tyler Safer instead of the Water song. And I agree. I love Safer.

[Mal]

I. I think you and I had a full, like, real.

[Rory]

No, we were fighting about Truth or Dare. Me thinking that Truth or Dare is better than water. I might walk that back. I don't know. But Truth or Dares are really good.

[Mal]

If I got commissioned to do a list of the best songs of 2024. As much as I am the annoying hipster contrarian, I would do what they asked. These are the top songs of 2020.

[Rory]

But she didn't say. She didn't say top. She said best. Which there is a. I never thought of that. Because Jay Z's top song, which would be Empire State of Mind, is not.

[Mal]

By far the best song.

[Julian]

By far.

[Rory]

By far.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Julian]

All right.

[Mal]

Best song. I would still take that as the best songs. Not my favorite songs. If I were to write a list like this, I wouldn't put that shaboozy record. Like, that's ridiculous.

[Rory]

But if it's a. If it's a better.

[Mal]

Not my best.

[Rory]

No, but that's not. It's not saying favorite. It just says best. There are some songs that are clearly better than another song. This song just happened to blow up.

[Mal]

I will challenge you. We're both members of the beehive.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mal]

16 Carriages or Texas Hold'em. What is the best song?

[Rory]

16 Carriages.

[Mal]

Well, there goes their credibility. I don't think that's you. And I killed it.

[Rory]

Yeah, but I can understand why they would say Texas hold'em is the best song. I can understand why they would say that. But my preference would be 16 characters.

[Mal]

Well, he put his name. I respect that. Like, even in.

[Damaris]

Oh, that was a different contributor.

[Mal]

Oh, never mind.

[Julian]

It's.

[Damaris]

This is the.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's.

[Damaris]

Three different people wrote it.

[Mal]

Okay, that's cool. But I'm not mad at that. Like, to commission people for your platform. Like three people make your best list. So it could be compared because that is different taste levels, different experiences. I think that type of is cool. Rather than the straight up list. I don't think we'll ever get the listing right in media.

[Julian]

I don't. I just.

[Mal]

I don't think that's the point.

[Damaris]

Well, it's not. Yeah. It's also not fair because music is so subjective. Like, you're. You're. You're being tasked with the. The job of considering everyone's taste and preference. When that's not. You can't serve everybody. That's not how that works.

[Mal]

Some things I think are just universal, though, when it comes to best, top favorite. Like, to me, that makes the pop star the pop song. Everyone agrees this is great. No one can really argue this being on a list.

[Rory]

Oh, they all had different. So the three people that wrote it, they all have.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Completely different lists. And this person's. Whoever's in charge of the hip hop or the pop. Like the Whoever's in charge of Us. They did a completely different list. They said they're number one song was a tie between Cash, Cobain, Fisher.

[Mal]

I'm on board.

[Rory]

I'm sorry, Grippy.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Wait, his number one has 15.

[Julian]

Number seven different songs.

[Damaris]

It's like three.

[Mal]

He did a tier and then went down to Z. You can't do the Alphabet for your number one. Like just. Just make a list.

[Damaris]

Number two was disrecord focused. It was not like us. Family matters.

[Mal]

Oh, putting them in order.

[Damaris]

I think that's cool. Is he just ranking the moments sounds?

[Mal]

Because the genre. Because that first one. Read them off again. That's more of like Sexy Drill.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

[Mal]

This is cool.

[Damaris]

That's cool.

[Mal]

Whoever your name is. I take it back.

[Rory]

Grippy made number one on somebody.

[Mal]

There was only so many sexy Drill records and it's last on that list, you guys.

[Damaris]

Yeah. So his argument is there's one sound.

[Julian]

When is the last time you heard that song?

[Rory]

This morning.

[Julian]

You played it? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm talking about somewhere and heard it. I haven't heard that song. And I don't know.

[Rory]

That's not fair. You go out places and you don't hear plenty of songs.

[Julian]

Yeah, but you don't hear Grippy. Like I don't even see girls posting that. Like, and making videos like jumping into.

[Rory]

There like a laughing. A laughing stock joke.

[Julian]

So you guys just thought Grippy was.

[Damaris]

Funny at number five, the women. Here we go.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Refreshingly old fashioned rapper Glorilla raps with the strength and sturdiness. I don't know.

[Julian]

I mean, fashion rapper.

[Mal]

She got bars like a older rapper. I think she's a great. Is that what he's trying to say?

[Julian]

He says she structures her rhymes as efficiently as a factory production line.

[Rory]

Julian wrote this.

[Mal]

I was about to say this sounds like a Julian cap.

[Julian]

This is Invisaligns for sure. This is definitely.

[Damaris]

That's a great word. Every exhalation is a hook.

[Mal]

I was about to try to read it and then didn't want to play myself because I would have exaltations.

[Damaris]

All right.

[Rory]

Every hook is an incitement to revelry.

[Mal]

So what is this category at all?

[Damaris]

A Glorilla category? Because I'm honest.

[Mal]

Not putting the Tyler joint with Glorilla is crazy to me.

[Damaris]

Well, this seems like just women.

[Julian]

What Tyler joint?

[Damaris]

The Sticky.

[Mal]

Yeah. Gloria's not on Sticky.

[Rory]

Yeah, she is.

[Mal]

Do I have a different version?

[Rory]

But it's not the Glorilla sound. That's the Tyler sound with Glow on it.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Julian]

It's about see y'all say tile. I'm thinking not the creators.

[Rory]

Tyler Hard er.

[Julian]

Okay.

[Mal]

Number six, only category is Tommy Richmond Hardness.

[Julian]

Modern funk. From a trained opera singer with a wild range and a cleverly rhythmic approach to singing. It's cool. How was the year? It's defining how.

[Rory]

Get the out of here.

[Mal]

I was with this guy so far. I thought this was a cool approach. Now I think he's on the take for the Grammys. Is that why it was considered hip hop? Because it's hard neck snapping?

[Julian]

Yeah. You know that.

[Damaris]

He's a trained opera singer.

[Rory]

How do you snap your neck? I never been the same, baby.

[Mal]

No, you know, like, look, us whites are really feeling a song, which is awful. Yeah, we're on the one. You've seen me with Jim Jones in studio. You know, I saw you.

[Rory]

You do that everywhere.

[Mal]

You mean enjoy music in my own rhythmic way.

[Rory]

Now, we were here. We were here, and you was playing me something off a phone. Snapping your neck.

[Mal]

Yeah, music.

[Rory]

The phone. Hold.

[Damaris]

I love doing this. Holding it to you.

[Mal]

Well, I mean, it's part of. It's part of a process.

[Julian]

What's the process?

[Mal]

Okay, you want to go down that route?

[Julian]

Yeah. Walk me through the process.

[Mal]

When mixing songs and albums at this point in our lives, you can look at the percentage of how people consume music. It's definitely not at the highest point, but some people really consume music just by playing it off their phone. So that is something you have to take into account when you're mixing.

[Julian]

Playing it.

[Mal]

Like speaker off the iPhone. Speaker. Yes.

[Julian]

People listen to them, you know, on the speaker.

[Mal]

There is a lot of younger people that when they get ready or, you know, don't live in a house or you can't have a loudspeaker or anything. Yeah, they listen on their phone.

[Julian]

Okay.

[Rory]

I have a loud.

[Mal]

I do it on my MacBook. I mean, of course, you know, we start with AirPods, speak, etc. But there's still a iPhone test and MacBook speaker test when it comes to mixes.

[Julian]

And then you move it to the car test.

[Mal]

No, car test is way before that.

[Julian]

Before the phone. Okay. I thought you would gradually.

[Damaris]

This car test is more akin to, like, studio speakers.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Yeah. So that's why I thought you would start with the phone with the phone on speaker first and then be like, I don't know. I don't know. Something's missing. And then you go to the car and you turn it on in the car, and you still be like, I don't know. It's Missing something.

[Mal]

What's funny with this next album and.

[Damaris]

I get more snare.

[Mal]

I did a lot of the car tests in my mother's Mazda because like you have to.

[Julian]

Oh, you went to the essence. No, most people went back to the roots.

[Mal]

It's not even that. No, I'm not trying to sound like.

[Damaris]

That, but get rid of that car.

[Mal]

Most people.

[Julian]

No, he kept it for these moments.

[Mal]

Like just I have it parked somewhere just for, you know.

[Damaris]

Some of my.

[Mal]

Most people don't have fucking like Bose stereo systems in for sure.

[Julian]

For sure.

[Mal]

So it's. You have to go to the consumer that the most. Most people have car like a regular Ford Focus.

[Julian]

Right.

[Mal]

That's the sound. Right? In a Ford Focus.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

No, I'm not going to get in a Zod's Porsche.

[Julian]

Right.

[Mal]

Of course. It sounds incredible.

[Rory]

Why are you throwing his auto like.

[Mal]

Yeah, he posts his Porsche.

[Julian]

I think he was just trying to lean it towards like you know, go to the Go to like the S. Go to like a beat up Ford. And if it sounds good in there, it's going to sound great in that plush leather of a Porsche. When that engine is revving, going down.

[Rory]

PCH you got to get a 2008 Acura with the red seats.

[Mal]

Everything sounds good in the studio. You have to go see what that rental car would it sound like? Yeah, that's how mixing goes. So. Yes. That's why I bang my head when I'm playing off the phone because I'm. My ear is in tune with this thing.

[Julian]

Yeah. And then he says, are those child's drums? Like those sound like?

[Mal]

Well, yes, because I bounced them and Child played the drums.

[Rory]

First of all, shout out to Child. Child. It has become my favorite drummer. Songwri. Oh see producer, please bring it. Absolutely.

[Mal]

I want my flowers insane.

[Rory]

It's gotten to a point where when I'm listening to a song now that I'll go and check who wrote it and there. There we go. There Yanni go.

[Damaris]

I'd be like, you check Yachty's album yet?

[Mal]

Now when Demer said this in the studio the other day, I felt like I needed my flowers from mall. After all those jokes when I was bringing up yo. They stole this from Yanni. These Yanni drums. Damaris. Now every album she goes to goes, I love this one Scrolls down, huh? Seems like some Yanni drums.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Oh, you got it.

[Rory]

Well, mainly his writing but the drums.

[Julian]

Now the marriage is listening to every songs like I don't know. Those drums sound so familiar.

[Mal]

For the theme of this Episode. But maybe like, Child's, like, the crew could be the Children. That could be like, the stand.

[Julian]

I see what you were trying to go with the children. That was just like, this bad time.

[Rory]

I don't know if Yanni would agree with that. But I believed you when you said that. Laughed you out the. Out the studio. But I. I didn't automatically go, no, Yachty didn't steal those from Child.

[Mal]

Like, I don't think Yachty himself. I think there was people around him that were listening in proximity that wasn't tame and influenced.

[Julian]

I heard these drums from Child. We got to take them.

[Mal]

No, I think a lot of producers like that are really, really, like, digging through the crates version of 2024, 2025, have Crazy Rabbit hole streaming and run into producers or artists that may not be as popular and then go work.

[Julian]

Oh, yeah.

[Mal]

And I'm not saying they steal anything, per se.

[Julian]

No.

[Mal]

But they come in with a new sound that someone like Yachty that would never even inspire think.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

And then you get a result, and people that are actually around that type of sound could go, that's an exact. But, like, that's all.

[Julian]

All right. So I'm still on the side that nobody is stealing from.

[Mal]

I completely disagree.

[Julian]

Nah, I With Yanni, though, really great producer. I know you great, great producer. I with him, man.

[Mal]

But it's cool. You can give us our flowers, like, later off my.

[Julian]

All right. I'll go to the florist and see what they got in the. In the fridge. I'll go get you some, man, and bring them back to you. Don't worry about it.

[Mal]

I'm gonna send you the new album. But, like, I'll send it now so you get around to it in, like, March. Damn. A lot of Yanni drums on there.

[Julian]

How done are you with the album, though?

[Mal]

I'm. I'm close.

[Julian]

Okay. All right, so then send it to me. I hate hearing it when it's like, oh, you like, 60? No, no, no, no, no. Because, you know, by the time the album comes, a whole different album, and it's like, all right, this ain't even what I heard you close to the.

[Rory]

End of the out when the.

[Mal]

Were you gonna tell us that I'm still carrying baggage from the first one?

[Julian]

Yeah, see, I.

[Mal]

The amount of me and y'all left.

[Julian]

His vinyls over there.

[Rory]

Oh, shut the up.

[Damaris]

See, we're not doing that again.

[Mal]

You know what? I take it back. It wasn't baggage from the first one. When I started the second album October of last year, I sent Demer so much stuff that didn't even make the project, like, just exercise work, just experimenting. Some of my poetry and shit. Red left on red. Nothing whatsoever. Well, I'm gonna send you the. The final.

[Damaris]

Of course.

[Rory]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Repeat what you said again. I sent Demir so much that what didn't make the album. Right. You know what the. I went through with the first album. You had an entire album done. I fell in love with it. I knew the lyrics. None of the songs are on the new album. You weren't gonna put me through that again, so I wanted you to wait until you started working on that process works.

[Mal]

The people around you that you respect their ear and are closer to the situation. You play everything for them to get guidance, to maybe make it a song that could make the album.

[Rory]

And you're full of bullshit because I gave you. I gave you opinions. I loved the Nick Grant record, and I told you that that other one with the doodle butter shit had to go doodle butter.

[Mal]

That. That wasn't going to make that. But I sent you so much other shit. Doodle butter was my. Was my weekend.

[Damaris]

Shout out to it.

[Mal]

No, I. I sent you so much stuff over this year that you just left on red, which, by the way, does hurt a little bit.

[Damaris]

Or maybe I didn't, like, unpack that.

[Julian]

All right, well, send me. Send me the album so I can listen to it and I can, like, give it the phone.

[Mal]

Oh, see? And you know what? Oh, let's. Let's have a quick. Before we get to voicemails, quick therapy session.

[Rory]

Oh, God.

[Mal]

Not homie Court, per se. Because it's not homie court. We've already established that she's guilty. I sent you the potential intro to the project and asked if you were still cool with a certain rapper. Sent you the full record, which is crazy, by the way, and asked for somebody that you knew if they could get on a second verse of this.

[Rory]

He didn't respond.

[Julian]

No, no, no, no. But watch this.

[Mal]

No, no, no.

[Julian]

You.

[Mal]

As far as getting that person on. And then I think I said, let me know what you think of it because I respect your ear.

[Julian]

Did you? Come on. I'm scrolling.

[Mal]

Yeah, we text a lot, so.

[Julian]

No, you didn't say, let me know what you think of it. See, you said you wanted to get him on his record. You have a budget. So and so went crazy. It's a dis. But nobody will pick up on that. Okay, you didn't say, tell me what you think?

[Mal]

Okay, but I still like, if I'm sending you a song, like.

[Julian]

I didn't pull that up. Okay, that's not the phone test.

[Mal]

I have egg on my face. But how I'm gonna flip this in homie cord is. I thought that went without saying.

[Julian]

No, no, no, no, no. You can't. You can't go without saying it. You can't throw that. That goes without saying.

[Mal]

No, no, no, no. Witness. Yeah.

[Julian]

You didn't say anything. No, no. I'm in the clear here, buddy. Now that.

[Mal]

Hey, Julie. All right. Why it hurts. Then all the music that he put out on the last one, like, if he sent me a link, of course I gotta listen to it.

[Julian]

Yeah, but that was. It was one record. Like, send me. I want the. That you listening to.

[Rory]

And that's another thing. Before he would give us the. The SoundCloud link, I would be able.

[Julian]

To go through, but his song was a sound.

[Mal]

I have a full.

[Rory]

Okay, you haven't shared that. You keep sending me random. I need to hear it in, like, totality. I need to see here the vibe of the album.

[Damaris]

One song. Because there's an artist on who's in, like, my personal top five that he did a cut with Kanye in la. And I'm gonna. You're gonna be part.

[Mal]

Make people think I have coal on this album.

[Damaris]

I have. People think they don't know my tast. But I have listened to every single version of this song Rory has sent me. But I will say if he did do that, like, 20 times over for every record, kind of like for the first album, I'd be like, all right.

[Julian]

Just send it to me. Windows.

[Mal]

Yeah, I sent.

[Damaris]

But you version, like, sent me, like, no, it was like three or four, but, like, I'm fine. I love. I was like, no, I'm positive.

[Mal]

We had the demo that we did in la and then we just finished.

[Damaris]

You just sent me the one on. What was it, Saturday?

[Rory]

Send me the SoundCloud link with the songs that, like, you're the songs you really, really want to cover.

[Mal]

I already have them.

[Rory]

Huh?

[Mal]

I already have it.

[Rory]

Okay, so send me the link. That's what I said. Send me the link so that I can actually.

[Julian]

Yo, they trying to bootleg your man.

[Mal]

Oh, my God. I sent Damaris.

[Rory]

Here we go.

[Damaris]

If I recently.

[Mal]

One of my favorite records on this project.

[Julian]

No response.

[Mal]

Recently, like, within the last three days. I'm not saying the name.

[Rory]

It was not.

[Mal]

He was just in our office.

[Rory]

It was not. What?

[Mal]

First of all, and I said, no response.

[Rory]

You first. You sent it when we were in office. You knew I was grieving. That's number one.

[Mal]

Oh, and if I remember correctly, me and this gentleman were talking about in the office of how excited we were about the record.

[Rory]

That was the one he was headbanging his head to. And the ear thing then.

[Mal]

And the mayor's like, oh, sending me something. I was like, yeah, I got you now.

[Rory]

To be fair. No, to be fair, I sent them.

[Julian]

No response.

[Rory]

No, listen, I thought that that song. First of all, I had a funeral the next day, so I planned on listening to it.

[Mal]

I can't debate that.

[Rory]

Second of all, I should have played.

[Julian]

It at the funeral to Repass song.

[Rory]

I did not know that that was for your project. I thought that was just a song he was working on for his project.

[Mal]

No, I sent you. There was three records and one was specifically for mine, which I sent to you. I can see it like the links on Imessage don't lie. As much as I'm losing in this court case with technicalities, I should have never went to court with Mall on it. You getting smoked. But, dog, look at this. That is from my project. It says my name. The other artist stuff just said his name, right?

[Damaris]

It literally just says Rory because.

[Rory]

No, no, no. First of all, you're lying. No, let me tell you how he.

[Mal]

I'm getting some wins in.

[Rory]

No, because the artist sat up there when we were sitting here. He says, I make personalized linked for. I make personalized links for everybody. So I know exactly who's listening to the song I recorded and how many times because it has a personalized link. So the link says Rory because I assume that those songs that he sent to you was your personal playlist. I didn't know that you were involved in those songs at all. I would have listened. You know, I love that artist. We had a conversation about it, so. Don't do that.

[Mal]

Nope. She's badgering the jury or whatever the fuck they say.

[Julian]

Yes.

[Mal]

These are two completely different civil cases. There was a link. Yes, for this particular artist. Songs. Okay, that was labeled under my name. That was a playlist. What I just showed you was an MP3 that Julian just saw as well. Rory Dash song title. That was not part of that link. That went to the other.

[Rory]

And when did you send that, your honor?

[Mal]

Oh, I think it's gonna get worse for you if you see how far back. Maybe it was longer than that. I don't know if that's gonna help you. Let me scroll through our text messages.

[Julian]

Well, I gotta listen to this record again that you sent me.

[Rory]

Julian's having, so.

[Mal]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

[Rory]

Let it go. Just let it go.

[Julian]

Oh.

[Mal]

Cause you're scrolling up Friday. No, November 22nd. Remember I went in the studio in Atlanta.

[Julian]

Yes.

[Damaris]

He was there.

[Mal]

I sent Damaris all the lyrics and.

[Rory]

The bounce, and I liked it. And you said, I really should have been a rapper. I said, it's never too late. I liked it. And I said, it's never too late.

[Mal]

I sent you the song to listen. That is not a reply. This is. This is crazy. And people wonder why I don't send them music. It's heartbreaking.

[Julian]

Yo, point to the text message. Say, yo, this is crazy. No response.

[Rory]

Like, I responded to him, and I literally. But this is another thing. Rory will send you music. And I've. I've talked about this and joked about this before. I go to bed at 10pm so that I can be at the gym at 4am Rory will send me music at 2am and expect me to respond. I'm no baby.

[Mal]

Oh, no, no, no, no. I don't. I don't expect a reply at that point.

[Damaris]

I just expect a reply at some point.

[Julian]

Yeah, just something.

[Damaris]

Because that's what text is for.

[Mal]

And you made that even worse. Are you waking up to go to the gym?

[Julian]

Yo, you think you great job music.

[Damaris]

Throw on those sleep.

[Julian]

You didn't press play.

[Mal]

You don't know what it is. How would you know? Because the record with the artist that was just in this studio is 1000% a gym record.

[Rory]

Again, I have already, and it's Child.

[Julian]

On the drums, so, you know, his drums is gym drums.

[Rory]

You know what?

[Mal]

I didn't want to go this far. I think the Gym stole Child's drums.

[Julian]

You know Planet Fitness, they're gonna steal Child's drums. You know that.

[Mal]

Yo, look at the ring, Starbucks and the gym.

[Rory]

Well, you know what? I'll take this. We can settle out of court. As a friend.

[Julian]

No, we in court. We settling it here.

[Rory]

As a friend. I could be better at this, right? But what I will say is, with your last album, you did organize your songs a little bit better so that I was able to. To listen to them in totality and get the feeling of the project. You want me to judge once?

[Julian]

Quiet in the court, please.

[Damaris]

Sorry. That was the gallery I was taking.

[Rory]

I say women never take accountability. I'm the only motherfucker in this room taking accountability. I apologize.

[Damaris]

Anything to be accountable for.

[Rory]

I could have been.

[Mal]

She said, I'm sorry, but it's your fault because you didn't organize the sequence of songs. You know, it takes a while to even get to that point of putting a sequence. I finally just got there. In between that time, we send them to friends to see if it could even make the list. The sequence.

[Julian]

Got you.

[Rory]

I apologize. From now on, I will definitely do better. Apparently, I will not be on the credits of this album like I was the last one. But I do. I do apologize. I do apologize. And I will be better. I've been a little preoccupied.

[Julian]

That's big of you, Demaris. I respect that. I appreciate that.

[Mal]

Julian, the record that I sent you.

[Damaris]

Yep. What about it?

[Mal]

You can be objective and unbiased.

[Damaris]

You know how I feel about him, so I love it.

[Rory]

Yo, Gay.

[Mal]

And it's not him. The R B artist, he's. It's him.

[Julian]

What's up with him? We always ask about him, like, every six months.

[Mal]

Love him, man. I just don't know where he's at. Yeah, maybe he turned into they.

[Julian]

Oh, no, he didn't. We know who they. We know who they are.

[Mal]

Dante's drums are all over my first project. And this one, you know.

[Rory]

Oh, Dante worked on this one, too. Dante worked on this one.

[Mal]

Dante worked on the record.

[Damaris]

On the record that I. Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

That's cool.

[Damaris]

Oh, it's great.

[Mal]

Oh, you. You can tell the Dante drums when they come in. Yeah, it's a smash, though.

[Julian]

Dante child's drums. Gym.

[Damaris]

Working in the gym.

[Julian]

Yeah, you gotta listen to it in gym record.

[Rory]

So that's my fault.

[Mal]

I'm surrounded by extremely talented.

[Julian]

No drum players. I love it, man.

[Rory]

Rory's new album coming within the next year.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah. No, I'm close. Like, there'll be music at the end of January.

[Julian]

Fire.

[Rory]

So we're aiming for album release end of August.

[Mal]

I'm not saying anything like that.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mal]

I don't know.

[Julian]

You should put your.

[Mal]

I could scrap. I could scrap the project in. In January.

[Rory]

Yeah, I know how you do.

[Julian]

Yeah, that's funny. You should put your album out day of the Super Bowl.

[Mal]

I would be really stupid.

[Julian]

Why?

[Mal]

Because I don't have a commercial to say. Listen to my music during the super bowl now.

[Julian]

We'll make one, we'll shoot one and put it on socials and then put it on X. Yeah, release it as soon as.

[Rory]

Can you have another release party? I love your release parties.

[Mal]

I don't.

[Rory]

I. I know you hate them. I have a ball every time.

[Julian]

What do you mean?

[Damaris]

That was fun. Oh, wait, the LA one or the LA one. Oh, that was. Yeah, don't do that again.

[Mal]

I didn't do anything wrong.

[Damaris]

No, no, no, no.

[Rory]

Do it again was great for me.

[Damaris]

Do it again. I had a great time. I was talking about the fan listening thing that we did in Brooklyn.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, I'm definitely gonna do stuff like that.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that was fun.

[Julian]

You should preview a song if it's. If you have one ready at the show Saturday.

[Mal]

Yeah, I'm not mad at that.

[Damaris]

Don't play my song.

[Mal]

It's not your song.

[Damaris]

My song.

[Mal]

Literally nothing to do.

[Rory]

You want name it? Julian's song on the album.

[Julian]

Julian song Julian' by.

[Mal]

Let me give him some credit. We did talk about Julian during the session about smoking a cigarette. Then I found out Julian smoked cigarettes. And I was like, wow, you smoke.

[Rory]

S. Oh, I. Oh, I knew that.

[Damaris]

Wait, Wendy, what do you mean? We talked about.

[Mal]

You had said smoke a Sig with him.

[Damaris]

Yeah, in like 20, 17, 16.

[Mal]

And he took that as, yo, you want to go smoke a Sig? I was like, no, no, no, I don't want to do that. Like, we could just finish the record.

[Damaris]

Well, there are certain people I'll break. I mean, I'll occasionally smoke a drunk cigarette every once in a while, but like, cigarette with I. If I'm not drinking, I'm not smoking a cigarette. I'm not just going to leave the studio and rip a dart. It's weird.

[Rory]

Rip a dart.

[Julian]

Rip a dart. Rip a dart.

[Rory]

Rip a dart.

[Julian]

Yo, rip a dart is crazy.

[Mal]

Not 100 going to rip a dart. Bust down.

[Julian]

I thought he going to say rip a fart. He said rip a dart, yo.

[Rory]

What?

[Mal]

Glad he didn't use the other words.

[Rory]

I got a pe so bad.

[Mal]

What is it? Dart.

[Julian]

Rip a dart. The thing.

[Damaris]

It's like street term for s. It's not street.

[Julian]

That's NYU term for his Sig.

[Mal]

Yo, call it a Lucy. Yeah. Is that a single cigarette? Cuz I know that is a Lucy.

[Julian]

A dart.

[Damaris]

It's just a thing for cigarettes.

[Julian]

That is hilarious. Yeah, it's a thing. I'm not gonna leave the studio and just rip a dart.

[Mal]

But.

[Julian]

What?

[Mal]

One of my best friends in high school who was addicted addict, like every five seconds had to smoke a cigarette, would always announce, yo, I'm about to go bang a Lucy. And people like didn't know the term.

[Julian]

Was like, I thought he's putting out a single.

[Mal]

No, I thought he's about to go like a prostitute.

[Julian]

You know what?

[Mal]

They bang a Lucy.

[Julian]

You know what? Cigarettes in London.

[Rory]

Yes, we know Bob, I said, that's.

[Mal]

Why I'm glad he didn't say the other word.

[Damaris]

Used to do it here, too.

[Julian]

Great work. Great word.

[Damaris]

Yeah. But like, yeah, I smoking with him. That was forever ago.

[Julian]

Sorry. Rip the dart with him.

[Damaris]

Say that to him. He'll know what the deal is.

[Mal]

If I play the first single at our New York show, I'm gonna have to go there early for sound checks. And you have to make sure it's mixed.

[Rory]

The bang.

[Mal]

Because it's not mastered.

[Julian]

Yeah, because. And those acoustics, which one is the first?

[Damaris]

Do I have that one or do I just have the yes after that?

[Mal]

That back to someone that doesn't reply to me sent to one of his friend. And then we were talking about which record would go first. And I said, here is the record that will go first. No reply. After we stopped talking about Julian's friend.

[Damaris]

Yeah, no, I was also my brains out. So hold on.

[Mal]

I. John, I have all the evidence.

[Julian]

You have so much evidence.

[Mal]

Gave dates.

[Damaris]

Ah, you did send it to me.

[Julian]

Overwhelming evidence.

[Mal]

This is the final nothing.

[Julian]

Why are we wasting the taxpayers time? Let's just close this case also.

[Mal]

How awkward would that be?

[Rory]

This is a. This is like a group loss now.

[Julian]

She in court, snitching.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Wait till you get to the court.

[Rory]

That didn't listen to. I thought it'd be different until it was the same.

[Julian]

Well, I did listen to it.

[Mal]

Do you guys think the crowd would, like. How awkward would that be if I was just like. And here's the next single. And we just all sit there like.

[Julian]

Like they don't know the words. They had to listen to it.

[Mal]

And then it just like, ends.

[Julian]

No, you just let it play.

[Mal]

And it's like playing.

[Rory]

Why y'all are like. Like in the back.

[Julian]

Just play.

[Rory]

Or have it as your outro.

[Julian]

So you put it in between, like, put it in between, like one of Cardi songs. And then like, it was like an Easter egg.

[Mal]

Oh, I like that idea. At the end of the show, like when people are.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Players saying, yeah, yeah. That's better than staring at a bunch of people staring at me.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And I'm like trying to nod like they. Like it's some fire.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

So you're saying it's good get out music.

[Mal]

See, I don't like how you worded that.

[Julian]

I'm just saying, like, you know, we know a good get out record. Like, you play at the end of the show, like, I start closing.

[Mal]

I think it would work for that.

[Julian]

Sure. Yeah. Like Sin City. They used to Play Frank's. Was it Frank Sinatra? Get the out of here.

[Mal]

I believe that's the title.

[Julian]

Get the out of here.

[Rory]

See how this thing goes is a good, like, exit song. I've always felt like that. It's a good exit song.

[Mal]

I even got a nod from Peach, who only loves Dirty South Mouth.

[Julian]

Yeah, you only listen to Kendrick and who else he listened to this year?

[Damaris]

Young Buck.

[Julian]

He listened to three songs. Peach is a psycho. How you listen to only three songs.

[Rory]

All year, yo, please. Voicemails.

[Julian]

Julian, do we have voicemails?

[Damaris]

We do.

[Mal]

You've got mail.

[Damaris]

I think it's a good time to remind people that every Patreon tier has access to voicemails. It's pinned to the top of our profile. Once you're in Patreon 5, 10, or 20, you can submit voicemail. If we ask for a follow up, please send a follow up. And if you call again, if your first call isn't good, please do not spend 10 seconds explaining that this is your second call. Just restart the voicemail. All right, here we go.

[Julian]

What up, everybody? This is Black from Denver. So I have a question. Me and my wife, we've been married for roughly 15 years. We have two kids, three dogs, home, cars, whatever. American dream, right? My issue is we have been together for so long, and we're constantly with each other day in and day out, and I'm starting to realize that we.

[Mal]

Don'T have time apart.

[Julian]

We are always with each other, always doing things, and we're just constantly together. And I feel like I just want.

[Mal]

A little bit of time and space.

[Julian]

To myself, and I believe she deserves the same thing. So my question is, how do I approach my wife?

[Mal]

And to let her know, hey, I.

[Julian]

Just want a little bit of free time, you know, go out by myself, do my own thing. What would be something that you guys would advise for me to do in that scenario? And last part, Rory, if you ever need a father to come up to.

[Mal]

The podcast, it's a weird pause after.

[Julian]

I would love to conversate. All right, that's.

[Mal]

So I have a father.

[Julian]

No, but, like, if you need one, like, another one, he can conversate. He's available.

[Mal]

I think he should articulate that to her. Doesn't mean I don't like you, but humans need space away from each other. Let's put a calendar together where you get this time, I get this time, and then let's miss each other for a second. That's just hard to explain to a woman. Do I have it wrong here?

[Rory]

It's not. It's hard. Nothing.

[Mal]

What?

[Rory]

I just don't like when you say it's hard to explain for it to a woman. Because I know men who are like that, and women are the opposite. Some people are just clingier than others, male or female.

[Mal]

Okay, that's true.

[Julian]

Some people. I know some cling emails where I'm like, yo, I know you annoy your girlfriend.

[Rory]

Yeah, I know more men like that.

[Julian]

Like, you annoy me. And we're not even like, I know your girlfriend is six, because I know guys like that.

[Mal]

Feels like a shot you to you.

[Rory]

No, no, you're the guy.

[Julian]

You're the exact opposite.

[Mal]

Please give me my face. Yeah, but.

[Rory]

But Rory, I know everyone.

[Mal]

Leave me alone.

[Rory]

You're an only child. What I'm telling you is most men that I come into contact with dating. My friends are dating. Men are very like, like here with their girlfriends.

[Mal]

Well, you had the right analysis of me of needing space and then also being under your skin when I want to be, but away from you when I want to be. That was. That was an accurate thing for me. But I've been in a situation like this. It's okay to explain to your partner that there's nothing wrong. Just as a human need some space. We don't always have to be around each other all the time.

[Julian]

Yeah, people don't realize how much your own personal space and time to just be alone in your thoughts is. It's necessary. And especially if you have like, a relationship, you live with somebody, it's tough because you don't really have that time to just get away. And then if you do try to get that, it's what's wrong. You know, it turns it out. It's like, nothing's wrong. It's just human moment. Just needs some space and time to just be alone with my thoughts.

[Mal]

I forgot the. The comedian who did this bit. So I'm just gonna. Carlos Mencia this. This generation. He was suggesting, like, when we're at work, we still text with our partner all day. We are constantly texting with the person that we are with, even when we're separated. So by the time we get home.

[Damaris]

I know to talk about.

[Mal]

I know about your day. Like, there's nothing to discuss here. Because the time we even had away from each other, we knew everything that was going on. It wasn't really like we were apart like that. So, yeah, we need space. I'm fine texting with my partner all day, but let's also set aside days where I could Just do shit on my own. I got my own hopes, my own dreams. Let me go.

[Julian]

You know, chase your dreams or at least think about them.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, like, maybe I want to take a day off and route the entire UnitedHealthcare killer route. Like, I want to start at that hotel and go through, figure it out, Central park and see the things that he saw.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

And like, maybe even take one of those sticks that like, measures the yards. Like, those are certain things that I need space to go yardstick.

[Julian]

I'm gonna be Inspector Gadget. Yeah.

[Mal]

And like, I think it's great if, you know, you have a partner that would be like, oh, that's great. I respect your stuff, but I can't come with you. No, I need to be focused on the yard between Central park and this hotel. Yeah, so just explain it to her that way and I'm sure it'll go fine.

[Julian]

Yeah, hella. You need space. It's important. And she could have her space too.

[Damaris]

I was gonna say she probably wants it as well. Like, I'm sure you're not the only person in the house that feels that way. Yeah. To Rory's point, I think we're too over interconnected. We don't need to be on top. I don't need to know what you're doing every hour of the day or what you had for lunch or just see you when you get home.

[Mal]

I have, and I'm not gonna make this gender specific whatsoever. This is only offensive to somebody that is defined by their relationship. If they have nothing else going on in their life or their own individual stuff, this is a threat.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Whereas someone else that has their own. I'm not even saying like shit together stuff going on, but their own thoughts and like, hobbies and things that they just want to do on their own, this is a threat to them because their relationship has been defined by us being together. And they could be great at it. Us together could be amazing. But if I need some space to go do something I'm passionate about and you don't have a passion outside of this relationship now it's a threat to our relationship.

[Julian]

We had this talk before. Are you cool with even, like, if you're like married with your, your, your wife or your husband having, like you have separate living, like you have your home together, but then you have like your own apartment.

[Mal]

I thought you were wild for that one, but yeah. Yeah, we've talked about this. That was, that was an early episode. Mall thinks that when you're married, if you have the means, you should be able to have your own separate apartment that she doesn't even know the address to see.

[Julian]

I didn't say that. Yeah, you paid it. You paid it. Crazy. No, but I'm just. Or if you can't afford a house big enough to where it feels like we're in the same house, but we don't have to see each other if we don't want to. Some people, you know, don't have the means for that. But if you say, like, okay, when we met, I had my apartment uptown in the Bronx. We're together now, but I still have my apartment. We get married, I still have my apartment.

[Mal]

Like, how long still takes means, too, though.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's.

[Mal]

Together. Like, you might as well buy the bigger house with a mortgage than keep that apartment you keep.

[Damaris]

I think Chris DiStefano says that he has a spot. Spot. He's talked about it openly on his pod, that he has a spot that's like his place. He has this spot with his girls. His girls and his kids and all that. But he also has, like a spot that's just for him for, like, writing or just, you know, doing whatever, fighting.

[Rory]

I think that's very healthy. I've. I've always been pro that. Ever. I saw it in Sex in the City when I was young, and I saw that they had like. They would be like, huh, they programmed you earlier, I know, probably, but they had an apartment. Well, Carrie's extra apartment after her and Big moved in. Most toxic, toxic relationship in the history of the earth. But we're not going to talk about that. But they had a separate apartment where, you know, he would go maybe two days a week, or she would go maybe two days a week, just so that they can have some time away from each other. Especially living in New York City. It's tight. Like, even if you have a big apartment in New York City, it's still small and it's. You just need space from people, and that's from everybody. You get tired of people you love, your. Your mother and your father to death, but by the time you're 18, 19, 20 years old, you can't wait to get the. Away from them. Like, it has nothing to do with. With love. It's just like, if you spend enough time with anybody, you will get sick of them. And I think that that can be strenuous on relationships. So I do think that it's important to prioritize having your own separate lives, your own separate friends, your own separate outings. And. Yeah, that's why I Know, people come at co parenting, but I know so many happy co parents because it's like, I love this kid to death, but I have them four days and then I don't have them for three, and it's like, yeah, I don't know. I just. I see parents be much happier. Whether it's kids, relationships, it's all around the board. You will get tired of the people you love if you spend too much time with them. So I definitely think you need to have that conversation with her. Just people can be sensitive. So just make sure you let her know that you're not tired of her. You just think it. Frame it as if she might be tired of you. Like, I know you're probably tired of me. Let's do this or let's separate. Because I want our marriage to have fire throughout. I don't want us to burn out of each other because I want this to last for forever. So let's take these precautions before these things happen.

[Mal]

Even not with co parenting. When spouses or partners need a break for a few days and you're by yourself. Yeah, get this kid away from me for six hours. Like, I think I want to take the night by myself. Yeah, that works. With a schedule with people that live together in happy families. You get this weekend all to your fucking self. I will give you updates on how your child is doing. I know you miss them, but go be a human being.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Especially when you get married and have kids and all that and start living together. Like, people lose themselves in that, even in the healthiest form of it.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

You just lose who the you are because your identity becomes this family. Go learn about yourself again.

[Julian]

Yeah, you know, I agree. Space is necessary. We got another one.

[Damaris]

Yeah, this one's dark.

[Julian]

Love it.

[Mal]

Great. Yeah, it's been a dark episode.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I figured let's stay on them.

[Julian]

What up? This is Jinzu from Gary, Indiana, by way of Phoenix, Arizona.

[Mal]

That's good.

[Julian]

I love the pod. Love everything y'all do.

[Mal]

I listen to y'all every day when.

[Julian]

I'm driving for work.

[Mal]

So this is pretty much my question.

[Julian]

A couple years ago, my mother was murdered, May she rest in peace. And after everything that went down, we.

[Mal]

Found out that my younger siblings had a hand in that murder.

[Julian]

And, you know, now. Wow.

[Mal]

That sibling is currently in prison, but.

[Julian]

Does have a release date in about a couple.

[Mal]

I'd say maybe 20 years or so.

[Damaris]

So my question is saying a couple and then 20 years or so is.

[Rory]

Yeah, I now feel bad about joking about parasite earlier.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah, that's. This.

[Rory]

Yeah. Sorry.

[Mal]

How to respond to knowing that someone.

[Julian]

You love was killed by someone else.

[Mal]

You love, or at least, you know, they were involved or had a partner.

[Julian]

And also tried to assist in hiding it until it was found out. I mean, you know, love myself, I've gotten to a point where I have forgiveness, and I've got to, you know, I've had therapy and everything. Put it. But, you know, that scar, that hate, that.

[Mal]

That pain is still there. And that's fair.

[Julian]

No, no lie. Like, you know, because it's my sibling. And, you know, if y'all got siblings.

[Mal]

You understand when that person does get.

[Julian]

Out to get out.

[Mal]

And if I do see them, you know, I'm gonna embrace them, hug them, but then I'm gonna give them just the meanest sibling to sibling slap of all time, just for the fact that.

[Julian]

They pretty much changed the whole trajectory of our family and everything else after that. So just want to know what y'all think about that.

[Mal]

Love to hear what y'all got to say. Love the pod.

[Julian]

Keep doing what y'all do. Peace out. Something like that is, you know, you can never. I don't think you ever fully process something like that, but it. At least he has some years to kind of, like, you know, live with it, you know, where he is today, mentally. I'm sure he will not be in the same place 20 years from now, or hopefully he won't be.

[Mal]

But.

[Julian]

Yeah, I mean, just. That's tough, man. That's. That's a tough situation to be in. Like your mom, you know, losing your mother, and then at the hands of one of your siblings, you know, having a part in that. That's. That's. That's some deep trauma that I don't think you ever truly get over, get past. So.

[Mal]

Yeah, I've never been in a situation like that. So, Yeah, I would never want to give advice except for saying you have 20 years to process it.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

And don't beat yourself up over thinking you have to have an answer right now.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Like, go through the proper emotions with yourself. Said he was in therapy. You're going to be a whole different person in five years, let alone 20.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

And you may come to the conclusion that, all right, cool, that's my sibling. But that or you may come to a forgiving place. It's not really our place to say what to do there except for go through the motions.

[Julian]

I mean, I lost a sibling 20 years ago, and even sometimes to this day, I go back and forth with what would I do. If we found out who killed him. Yeah, some days are straight, pack me up, I'll go sit down in prison for some years. And then some days it's, when does the cycle in? You know what I'm saying? Like, it's not bringing my brother back if I go out here and do something like that. Like, so, you know, you have your days and it's, it never gets easy. You just learn to live with it. But yeah, just take your time, man. I mean, and you being in therapy is, is a great thing because I wish that I had probably took therapy for that. But, you know, luckily I had enough relatives and people to talk to around me about that, people that experienced the same type of loss to help me through that. But it's never something you get past 20 years. You think it's a long time. It's not 20 years goes by very fast. And yeah, just hopefully you are at a better place mentally, spiritually, and you know, hopefully the family is as well, because that is a very deep rooted, traumatic thing for the family to have to get through and live with.

[Rory]

So, so I don't. I'm not saying this to being sensitive or to make jokes. I'm saying this because I'm just going to where I would go with my siblings because my parents always raised me to always pick my siblings over anybody, including them. That's just how we were raised. Have you ever considered that maybe. I'm sure you have, but if your sibling had a reason, and I'm not talking about a logical reason, because there is no logical reason to kill someone outside of them doing some awful, heinous thing. Right. But I mean, mentally, traumatically, sometimes families go through things. Did your sibling have a reason? If they did or you feel like they did, there's some shit that, you know, that other people might not know. It might make it a little bit easier for you to forgive. And I'm not saying forgive for their sake, but to forgive for yours and to just maybe process it a little faster so that it doesn't sound like just some random thing, like this randomly awful thing happened to my mom. I know it doesn't bring her back. I know it doesn't make it okay. But just to humanize this person that you love, it might be something to consider. And if not, if that's just completely. There was no reason for it at all, and they had no reason or no reason that you agree with, then fine. But that's just. That would be the first thing that I would go to do, is to humanize it. It might not be right, but that's how I would process it.

[Mal]

It. And it's not his responsibility to figure that out as well. For his own sake. He can, but you're not responsible for your sibling when he gets out of prison or to have any type of resolution with that entire thing. Like, you have every right to say that. I don't need to even clear anything up or slap him. Like, I don't even need to be around this entire situation. That's not your responsibility.

[Damaris]

I was gonna ask, like, would this be a case where he would go and visit his siblings at prison? Like, during visits?

[Mal]

Doesn't sound like he's in that place yet, because he's talking about when the sibling gets out. But again, go through the process. Maybe in 10 years, you'll feel like, I want to talk to him. Who the knows? Yeah, you never know with that type of stuff. And again, we don't know the details, so it's tough to really gauge reasons.

[Julian]

Kill my mom. I don't know, man. That. That's a whole different type of.

[Rory]

But. But you. Everybody doesn't have your mom.

[Julian]

Yeah, that's true. That's true. We don't know the. The dynamic and what happened, and that's very true. But him still being, you know, somebody that lost their mother at the hands of one of his siblings, it's tough, man. That's some. That's some trauma I don't think you ever get over. You just truly learn how to just live and move forward with it. So. Yeah, keep doing the work, though. Therapy is great, you know, keep doing that. And, you know, 20 years, like you said, you have enough time to grow and in different ways and, you know, become a better person mentally and spiritually. So hopefully he's on the. On the road of doing that.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

All right, well.

[Mal]

Or. I'm cool with you.

[Rory]

Want to tell a joke? Made me laugh.

[Mal]

I'm not good at that. Finally, he admits it. You're weekly.

[Julian]

No, but you should.

[Mal]

I wasn't sure if we were any. Or if we had another voicemail, but I'm fine with. We can end on that. We will see everybody on Saturday.

[Julian]

Saturday, December 14, Gramercy Theater. I think tickets are still available there.

[Mal]

There's limited left.

[Julian]

Yeah, I mean, if, you know, if you're hearing this and you don't have them, you should get them right now because they're probably going to be sold out in the next day or two. So looking forward to seeing everybody at gramercy theater. Saturday, December 14th, as we close out our year of live shows, looking forward to seeing some of you crazies that we see every year around this time. It's kind of like a reunion. It is every year.

[Mal]

Always some holiday cheers.

[Julian]

Oh, yeah. Get to see some of the wild and crazy crew.

[Mal]

Also love. I love a Saturday show, especially in New York.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

They have all day to drink, get.

[Julian]

Drunk before the show. Yeah. Looking forward to it. Let's have a great night. December 14th, Gramercy Theater. We'll see y'all there. Enjoy the rest of your week. We'll be back in a couple days to kick it with you. You be safe, be blessed. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. Peace.

[Rory]

No worry.

[Mal]

And now.