Episode 330 | Is J. Cole The King Of NY?

Summary

Podcast Summary: New Rory & MAL - Episode 330 | Is J. Cole The King Of NY?

Release Date: December 20, 2024

Hosts: Rory Farrell & Jamil "Mal" Clay
Produced by: Studio71

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Introduction

In Episode 330 of "New Rory & MAL," titled "Is J. Cole The King Of NY?," hosts Rory Farrell and Jamil "Mal" Clay engage in a spirited debate about J. Cole's standing in the New York hip-hop scene. The discussion delves into what qualifies an artist to be labeled as the "King of New York," comparing Cole's influence and roots to other prominent New York rappers.

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1. Defining the "King of New York"

Rory initiates the conversation by questioning the criteria that determine who deserves the title "King of NY." He emphasizes the importance of an artist’s longevity, influence, and genuine representation of New York culture in their music.

Rory ([31:53]): "I think at this point, it is safe to say it wasn't like a phase where he was two years out of college and was just staying in New York because that's where he was."

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2. Arguments Supporting J. Cole as the King of NY

a. Authentic New York Roots: Mal points out that J. Cole has deep ties to New York, specifically Queens, and that his career has flourished within the city without relocating to hubs like Los Angeles.

Mal ([32:00]): "J. Cole claims New York, New York. He whips. He reps Queens so hard. He's always been like that."

b. Consistent Representation: Damaris highlights Cole's consistent mention of Queens in his lyrics, reinforcing his commitment to his hometown.

Damaris ([32:30]): "He mentions Queens in nearly every song, like, he really fucks with. He's always been like that."

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3. Counterarguments Against J. Cole's Kingship

a. Official Claim Absence: Mal critiques that J. Cole hasn't explicitly claimed the title himself, which raises questions about the legitimacy of declaring him the King without his affirmation.

Mal ([32:00]): "He doesn't claim New York. J. Cole claims New York, New York."

b. Comparisons to Other Rappers: Rory challenges the notion by comparing Cole to other New York artists like Jay-Z and Nas, questioning whether Cole's influence surpasses these established figures.

Rory ([35:22]): "Why he ain't do a festival here? New York has so much. Where he's from doesn't have."

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4. Criteria for Kingship in the Modern Era

The hosts debate what it means to be a "king" in today’s rapidly evolving music landscape, considering factors like active presence, influence on younger artists, and cultural impact.

Damaris ([37:16]): "Five minimum years. In this day and age."

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5. Comparison with Other New York Rappers

a. Nas and Jay-Z: Mal and Rory discuss Nas as potentially the most active and influential rapper in New York currently, while also debating Jay-Z's ongoing legacy.

Mal ([38:28]): "Nas has been the most active, actually. I take it back."

b. DJ Premier's Misconceptions: Rory brings up DJ Premier, noting a common misconception about his origins, which parallels the confusion surrounding J. Cole's New York identity.

Rory ([39:17]): "Where's DJ Premier from? Texas. Most people don't even fucking know that they think he's New York."

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6. J. Cole's Connection to New York

The conversation underscores Cole's decision to stay in Queens, contrasting him with artists who relocated to other cities to advance their careers. This loyalty is seen as a significant factor in his claim to the NY throne.

Rory ([32:42]): "He lived in Jamaica, Queens for most of his life. I think that gives. We can claim him."

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7. Personal Experience: J. Cole Concert at Madison Square Garden

Rory shares his firsthand experience attending J. Cole's concert at Madison Square Garden, reflecting on the atmosphere and Cole's performance as evidence of his reigning influence in New York.

Peach ([16:21]): "We stood on the little VIP riser thing the whole night. It was just, you know, awesome."

a. Performance Quality: The hosts commend Cole's flawless delivery and the electric live performance, reinforcing his stature in the hip-hop community.

Damaris ([16:53]): "It was such an amazing performance. Word perfect."

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8. Broader Music Discussions

Beyond the central debate, the hosts touch upon other music-related topics, including SZA's album release strategies, Mariah Carey's live performances, and general observations on the current state of R&B and hip-hop.

Rory ([48:12]): "Tell me what you think, but I'm extremely excited. I think it's the perfect time of year for a SZA album."

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Conclusion

The episode concludes with the hosts agreeing that while J. Cole has a strong case for being the King of New York due to his authentic roots and consistent representation, the title remains subjective and open to interpretation. They acknowledge the contributions of other New York rappers like Nas and Jay-Z, suggesting that the crown may be shared or contested based on evolving criteria and individual perspectives.

Rory ([37:35]): "I think Drama Atlanta. Philly is the same with Cole in North Carolina and Queens."

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Notable Quotes

• Rory ([31:53]): "J. Cole's entire team is from New York. He has stayed in Queens since he's been in St. John's."
• Mal ([32:00]): "He doesn't claim New York. J. Cole claims New York, New York."
• Damaris ([37:16]): "Five minimum years. In this day and age."
• Peach ([16:21]): "We stood on the little VIP riser thing the whole night. It was just, you know, awesome."

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This episode offers a comprehensive exploration of J. Cole's influence in New York's hip-hop scene, enriched by personal anecdotes and comparative analyses with other industry veterans. Listeners gain insight into the dynamics of musical dominance and the subjective nature of titles within the ever-evolving landscape of the music industry.

Transcript

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[Rory]

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[Mal]

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[Damaris]

You better learn how to face if.

[Rory]

She'S gone gone girl. Welcome back. Who is excited? We are getting closer and closer to White Jesus's birthday.

[Mal]

I'm gonna you excited.

[Rory]

I'm gonna do the podcast. Was it Aven calendar?

[Mal]

What?

[Rory]

That's what it is, right? Peach Advent calendar. I used to have that as a kid.

[Peach]

Like where they have the chocolate in each day?

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah. And you know, you just open the door each morning.

[Peach]

What's the podcast version of that list season?

[Rory]

I don't know. Every day is a new list pretty much. Yes. Every day is a new list. But yes, I'm going to continue to annoy everyone. Every time we come back on an episode. I'm going to remind everyone that Christmas is upon us. And I'm excited.

[Mal]

Good. You look. You should be excited.

[Rory]

Yeah, maybe I'll go skating at Bryant Park. Who knows? Who knows? Anything is possible.

[Mal]

They still have skating in Bryant Park? Yeah, of course they still have woman rink in Central Park.

[Peach]

I. I don't know about Central park, but they definitely do at Bryant.

[Rory]

Yeah, I'm sure they still have that Central park one. That's like the main.

[Mal]

That was one of my favorite.

[Rory]

That was the. That's the one.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But then that got too crowded and Bryant park was like the B side of that. That, like no one really knew about yet.

[Peach]

Yeah, it looks like they. They still do it at Central Park.

[Rory]

When was the last time you went ice skating?

[Mal]

I. I was about to say as many years. I was gonna go maybe a two years ago to Rockefeller Center.

[Rory]

I've never done that. I mean, I've obviously it was never.

[Mal]

That was like standing on subway platform, bro. Yeah, it was like, all right, we can't even skate. Like, it's like everybody's just standing on ice. Just standing.

[Rory]

Yeah. Yeah, that one's. It's too small and there's too many people. The tree is there. That's.

[Mal]

That's way too woman rank, though, in Central Park. I like that one.

[Rory]

I. I'm. Do not envy people that actually work at 30 Rock during the holidays.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, just to get to work. Must be a fucking nightmare just walking around. But either way, maybe I'll try to skate at some point before the year is up. I've seen you play golf, so I don't really know how your skating is, but.

[Mal]

Oh, no, I'm. I'm. I can skate.

[Rory]

You.

[Mal]

Nice I could roller skate. I could ice skate.

[Rory]

Yeah. Mal Gretzky.

[Mal]

I mean, I never played hockey, but I can skate. I mean, just put me out there to, you know, punch somebody in the face whenever we need that. You know what I mean? Whenever.

[Rory]

Yeah. As long as you can stand on skates and get some type of fighting.

[Mal]

Stance, I got you. I don't. I can't play hockey, though. I never, never played hockey.

[Rory]

Hockey. Hockey is fun. I was thinking about putting Amara in hockey.

[Mal]

Really?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Like, no softball, just hockey.

[Peach]

Trying to ler out.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

It's also like, one of, you know, if you research, it's one of, like, the earlier sports kids can do, like, because the stick can hold them up.

[Mal]

Oh, okay.

[Rory]

See, it's like, you know, not like full contact, like you gotta throw the gloves off at age 3, but, like, one of the activities that you can do that makes before, like, soccer.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Is. Is ice hockey. I think she would like that.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

She seems like she has a personality.

[Mal]

Does she seem. You think she's gonna be athletic or more like artistic?

[Rory]

I'm not sure yet. She does love to color already, but she's athletic as fuck.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

She kicks everything. Think she's a lefty. She can. Already knows how to swing.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

So, yeah, my softball, maybe.

[Mal]

She might be an activist.

[Rory]

You said an activist.

[Mal]

Kicking and swinging. Already feminine.

[Rory]

I didn't put those.

[Mal]

Feminism is in great hands. The future is bright.

[Rory]

I mean, tennis is where the money is. If I'm trying to retire.

[Mal]

Absolutely. For sure.

[Rory]

I could just be one of those overbearing fathers that just makes her fuck school.

[Mal]

You got to move.

[Rory]

We're going to do tennis every day.

[Mal]

You got to move to Florida.

[Rory]

We got a tennis court in the bubble.

[Peach]

Nah, man, you got to go to Compton.

[Mal]

Well, not that far, but Florida.

[Rory]

Well, you have to start.

[Peach]

You can't start on a nice court. It has to be like, even Anna.

[Rory]

Kournikova started in Compton. Yeah, they all did.

[Mal]

Gunshots in the background, home invasions, things like that.

[Rory]

Well, how's everyone's week been? I know we've seen each other constantly.

[Mal]

But week is great.

[Rory]

I feel like there's one thing we haven't heard. Our two dream villains are still. It's been days, and they still look tired and hungover. Walking to. Maris was taking a nap on the couch. She got home early last night.

[Mal]

She was trying to catch up on her dreams.

[Damaris]

I did not get home early last night. Why did you just make that up?

[Rory]

It wasn't that late. Right.

[Damaris]

It was 11pm When I got home.

[Rory]

I went right to sleep.

[Peach]

You all went out last night.

[Rory]

You dipped out? Oh, yeah, we didn't go out. We just got food. 11:00pm like, that's. That's a fair time to go to sleep. Yo, I didn't get your eight hours.

[Damaris]

I got home at 11pm with that.

[Peach]

Photo of you smiling was from last night.

[Damaris]

No, the photo of him smiling was from our first company dinner.

[Peach]

I was gonn say, there's no way Rory wears a watch. I looked at the photo, I was like, he's got a watch on. When is this watch?

[Rory]

Every now and then. Just not, you know, around you.

[Peach]

You still never wear a watch you steal? No, I would say, like in the photo, I was like, rory has a watch on. That's odd. And I said, this can't be from today because I. I figured you guys all went to dinner and I was confused if that was from, like, last night or.

[Mal]

We went to dinner and then me and Sean. I dropped Sean off at his hotel. That turned into two hours of U.S. being downstairs at the bar doing another bottle of wine.

[Rory]

Oh, gosh, of course. Oh, was it the one that he wanted to go buy at the liquor store?

[Mal]

No, it was another one that we ended up going to the bar hotel. It was a nice bar. And we sat there, we just talking. I looked up, it was like 1:30 in the morning. I said, fam, I'm outta here, bro.

[Peach]

That's late for you.

[Mal]

Yeah, fam. I was.

[Peach]

That's impressive.

[Mal]

And we went through a bottle of red wine.

[Peach]

Not me asleep, long asleep before Maul gets home.

[Mal]

Oh, my God.

[Damaris]

Mal was in his red wine bag last night at dinner, yo.

[Mal]

But yeah, I mean. Cause I'll drink wine, but Sean is like. If I'm hanging with Sean, it's like, all right, we about to. To do a bottle for sure.

[Rory]

And it's going to be a bottle that's $600 that you can't say no to. And it's like the best red wine you've ever had. And it's like, yeah, all right, I can't.

[Mal]

So we sat there for.

[Rory]

I can't say no to this, like.

[Mal]

Two and a half hours just talking and did a bottle of wine. So it was cool.

[Rory]

I feel bad. And. And for those that do listen to our show, and this isn't your first time we've talked about our. Our good friend Sean Dickerson for a while.

[Mal]

Powder puff.

[Rory]

I can't. I feel bad every time he comes to the city or. Last time I was in la, I was There for a week. He was like, yo, why you a hit me? I was like, cuz I go to bed at 10.

[Mal]

That's why I feel bad.

[Rory]

I can't hang with you anymore.

[Mal]

And that's exactly why I hung out last night. Because the last few times Sean has been here, he'll text me, hit me. And then last night, he was like, yo, I don't even hit you no more. I'm like, all right, man. I don't want to become that guy. So that's why I made sure we hung out. We kicked, but we had a cool night.

[Rory]

Well, that was our crazy, crazy night. This week was a restaurant and then home.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

These two, though, from what I understand, shut down the Garden is what.

[Peach]

I can't believe that was this week. It feels like it was so long ago, such a.

[Mal]

Such a lifetime.

[Rory]

It almost feels like a dream, doesn't it?

[Peach]

Another dimension. Yeah. Yeah.

[Mal]

It's like the OA when you think about it.

[Rory]

So we recorded on Monday, which everyone has heard that episode by now. But after that, I went home, ordered the J. Cole Stream, which I found out I didn't really need to pay for because I bought the audio experience. Happy Those came together. I saw Bundle, saw people complaining that Cole was becoming a capitalist and everything that he fought against because he's charging everyone for his work, which to me is odd, because that's what you do for your art. Yeah, that's what you do. So I sat down, made myself some food, and I watched the stream from my couch. These two, on the other hand. 34th street shut down. Police escort. Listen, y'all were so excited. Now you're dead quiet about this entire thing.

[Peach]

You don't have any questions, like, what do you want to say?

[Rory]

I don't even know what to ask. You guys left it. You left here excited, giddy. And then what happened?

[Peach]

Well, let's start. Okay, we'll start from the. We left here, went to mine. I made us a quick drink. We stopped by Whole Foods, bought some citrus, and then went to mine.

[Damaris]

We were a real couple, though.

[Peach]

We were a real couple. We went grocery shopping. We had a drink in mine, and then she FaceTimed her mom. I said hi. And then we got on a train and went up to MSG so that we get there humble.

[Rory]

You guys want to do the train, be with the people, because that's the only time that you guys would actually be with the common folk.

[Damaris]

It's also the quickest way to get to 34th Street.

[Rory]

You guys just felt like no let's. Let's go crazy. Let's just be with the regular folks and take the train.

[Damaris]

They were. Were a bunch of Cole fans, like, on the train with us, too.

[Peach]

Yeah, it was fun. So we get to msg, and, you know, Damaris does. I'm, like, neurotic with time. Like, we got to get there on time. Everything's got to be that. So doors are at 7. We're there at 7:10. Which obviously we didn't need to be there. I said. But I was like, look, all.

[Rory]

They were still setting up the riser, all the guys.

[Peach]

What? What?

[Mal]

Doors is at 7. And you got there 7, 10.

[Rory]

People don't even do that for Knicks games.

[Peach]

Because I knew, because this is in my. In my mind, and I'll explain why I'm glad we ended up getting there so early. In my mind, I was like, okay, everyone from la, from New York, from North Carolina, like, all the Dreamville extended family fiends are all going to be at the show. I want that extended time to hang out with them. Like, whether it be on the riser, like, in the green room, whatever it is. I want that time to, like, have the downtime and talk and, like, for us to just hang and get some drinks and just, like, chill. I don't mind doing that for two hours before he hits the stage. So we get there. I know he's going on at 9:15. So we get there. Crowd swell of like, all the friends outside of Will call. No tickets. And I was like, all right, well, they're still figuring it out. Let's go. Run it down. 45 minutes go by. No tickets. The mayor's like, I'm hungry. I'm out of here. I gotta go.

[Damaris]

I left. I left him.

[Peach]

I'm gonna go across the street. So then my anxiety is like, well, fuck, they're gonna come down. Demerit's gonna be gone. I'm gonna have to, like. So then I get all these texts from, like, all the guys. Like, bro, they're there. I don't know what to tell you. Like, they had photos of my tickets being passed off. They were like, we don't know what to say. And it wasn't just me. It wasn't just ours. It was, like, a bunch of the guys. So then every 10, 15 minutes, they're bringing down, like, waves of tickets, handing them to ticket office. And at this time, I've asked this guy nine times, hey, is my name there? And he's like, knows me by this point. He's like, dude, I Don't know what to tell you.

[Rory]

And then you're just that. And I've been that guy. I looked like the annoying lingering around the list line. Like, you know, you're actually legit and there is a real problem, but you're appearing to be that guy that is trying to sing his way into a list that he is not on.

[Peach]

And I'm trying my best. I'm trying my best not to. I didn't call boss. I didn't call, like, Maddie. I didn't call any of my guys because I was like, I'm sure they're dealing with so many other fires because I can also see everyone else in a panic around me. But I know we'll get in. It's just when I know my thing at this point, because now it's 9:00. We were there for two hours. Like, I'm not missing this show, and I don't want to miss the first song. I've already missed all the socializing and all the drinks we had in mind are worn off. I'm pissed off. Now I'm sober. So look.

[Rory]

Looking at IG stories of the green room, I'm so bowl.

[Peach]

I'm hot, but I'm, like, keeping it in. And I'm only, like, complaining. Like, my friends, which we're all complaining.

[Rory]

Was texting me on the side, by the way, and I was just sending her photos of me marinating steak and being warm and cozy in my house.

[Peach]

Damaris did the right thing.

[Rory]

I was like, listen, man, you send.

[Mal]

A picture to stream on the tv?

[Peach]

No, I did Damaris. I will give Damaris for flowers, obviously, like, later in the night. We had a great blast. But, like, at that time, she knew, like, she just did her thing and just like, let stayed out of the way because, like, if she came up to me, like, so what's up? I wouldn't have done, like, I wouldn't have, like, unloaded on her, but I would have been, like, fuming inside. So she just knew. She was like. I literally didn't see Damaris until. So it's 9:25. Cole's already supposed to be out there, but he didn't go out yet. He was like, a little late. What were you going to say?

[Rory]

Maybe that's how I know Damaris is actually really my friend. Because she would have been cursing me out that entire time.

[Damaris]

No, I wouldn't.

[Rory]

She wouldn't have been on the side, like, calm, like, let's let him deal. She would be cursing me out. No, If I'm bringing you a show.

[Damaris]

Not in the moment. Because there are certain people I trust to handle certain things. If you were two men that I didn't know, and it was like some guy trying to impress me, like, oh, my. Because I've had that happen before that I would have just left. I don't. Like. I don't. I don't do that. But what helped it a lot was that it was not just me and Julian standing in the lobby waiting for tickets, because that would have been crazy. There were, like 60 of us at one point.

[Peach]

It was. So I found this.

[Damaris]

It was like a Dreamville. Family and friends, all the guys.

[Peach]

It was like all my close friends. Like, even. Like, some of the artists couldn't even get. Like, they didn't have their tickets available either, which is, like, insane. So started like, a engineer was out there with us. It was like, what has happened? So I knew it wasn't just, like, a me, just my ticket thing.

[Damaris]

So MSG gave Sean, like, a pocket, which we talk about in this later Patreon episode coming up. But they gave Sean, like, a pocket full of envelope full of, like, bands. Like, he had mad bands up his arm. And then, like, they were like, yeah. They were like, you need a ticket. He was like, I don't.

[Peach]

His envelope was at will call. They hand him a ticket. It had nine wristbands for his. All his whole crew. And he gets to check in, and they're like, where are your tickets? And he didn't have it. So then he had to wait with us. Banded up. He just could. Didn't have a ticket to get into the show.

[Damaris]

And if Sean can't get in, I know I'm fine, because Sean. Sean could quite literally get in anywhere.

[Peach]

So we're over two hours in, over two hours in at this point. And my. My buddy comes running down. He just grabs it. He goes, I'm on the phone with him. He's like, I got you running out right now. Eve just gave me this envelope. I'm coming down to you. We're not even going to try to figure out what happened to your tickets. Hands him to Dimitris and I, and he stays to settle. Like, everyone else is still waiting. He goes, just go. Because Cole's about to go up. Soon as we get in the building, like, as soon as we're walking to.

[Damaris]

Go in the door and start performing.

[Peach]

Right inside to, like, the little VIP riser thing that we stood on for the whole night. As soon as we get up there. Song. Song one starts. And it was just Like, I made that coffee.

[Mal]

I told Cole, listen, wait for them to walk.

[Peach]

It was all the anxiety, everything just like we had.

[Rory]

We had the mare's location. And yeah, man said, yo, she's.

[Mal]

All you gotta do is say thank you.

[Rory]

She's going through the turnstile.

[Mal]

We held the show. We held a sold out Madison Square Garden waiting for y'all to get in.

[Peach]

It was.

[Mal]

As soon as y'all walked in, lights went down.

[Damaris]

A show like that, though. And at one point, I said this to Julian. I don't want. As grateful as I am for the access that we have because of the people that we know a show like that. I would rather be in Jim Pop because I was the loudest person on the riser. Everybody else is like, you know, it's family and friends, so they cool. They're chilling. Like they're enjoying the show, but they're, like, watching Cole. I'm screaming every single lyric. We rap the entire show of my lungs. Dancing, acting up like, there's a video of Sleepy Hollow literally looking at me like I had 17 heads in the back, like, just staring at me.

[Rory]

That's like the last name drop I would assume would be there. Like Joey Badass. That checks out all that. I did not know you were next to Sleepy Hollow.

[Peach]

I think. Isn't he behind you in this video?

[Damaris]

He's in the video. He's behind Damaris, staring at me like I have 17 heads. Everybody on a riser was looking at me like I had 17 heads.

[Rory]

Did you guys have any, like, political conversations about what? Didn't he. Wasn't he one of the ones that went to the Bronx with Trump?

[Damaris]

Oh, that's funny.

[Rory]

No, he just mad at the George Bush dig that Cole has on whatever song that is only real Cole fans.

[Damaris]

Like a six.

[Peach]

Six time platinum record.

[Rory]

I think it was the single.

[Peach]

Yeah, but we had. I mean, it was. It was the best. And then after the show, there was a after party at the venue, which we. We did that and then that was great. And then from there was the after after party. But then Damaris had to leave.

[Damaris]

I. Yeah, me and Julian, like, separated throughout the night because I ran into Rosie. Shout out to a friend of the show, Rosie. I ran into Rosie and I ended up at Pergola with Rosie, which is.

[Rory]

I can't think of, like, if you were to list an entire night of what I wouldn't want to do. I think you checked every box.

[Damaris]

Yeah. From I ended up at pe, from.

[Rory]

Waiting for passes to Sleepy Hollow to Pergola. I Think those would be my three.

[Damaris]

Nos on a. I met some nice North Carolina gentlemen there. They were sweet. And then, yeah, we went to the afterparty, and I did not know that Cole was there. I found that out the next day. But at that time, I was cooked. I was. I was. I was no good to anybody.

[Rory]

If you and Cole had, like, crossed paths in that small club, what would have been your, like, your intro? Would you have even initiated? They were smoking.

[Peach]

They bring hookah everywhere. So they. They brought. They brought hookah. It's a club, actually. My friend owns it on the Lower east side. And they brought hookah in, so you're in. Could have just been like, hey, true.

[Rory]

Fact, I taught EB And Cole how.

[Peach]

To smoke some hookah.

[Damaris]

I was.

[Rory]

You're welcome.

[Damaris]

Really? I. I was so drunk.

[Mal]

Saying you're welcome is crazy.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I pressed it.

[Rory]

That would have never happened had I taught them that 10 years ago.

[Mal]

J. Cole how to smoke hookah.

[Rory]

I taught him and E.B. how to pack a hookah.

[Mal]

E.B. is. I don't E.B. that's, like, part of his culture. I don't know if you taught him how to pack.

[Rory]

I promise you, Aristotle was right there, too. And, like, I can promise you I did.

[Mal]

Teaching Cole how to pack hookah is crazy, man.

[Rory]

They knew how to put tobacco in and actually forgot about that until he just said they had hookah there. That just sparked a memory in my brain. It wasn't so much. They were packing it too tight. Too much shisha in there. And then they weren't putting the foil around the coal as well. No pun intended, because they couldn't really get it to light. I was like, yo, just put the coal around it. Rest is history. Look at his catalog now.

[Mal]

Yeah, you're welcome. It's all.

[Peach]

You can't even imagine if you didn't know how to pack that.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I mean, would he written four sales if he didn't?

[Peach]

Wouldn't even see the garden. Wouldn't sniff it.

[Rory]

This was. This was pre born sinner.

[Mal]

Like, wouldn't sniff the guard. Never would have been there. But, yeah, never would have made it.

[Rory]

So you would just get, like, a head nod. Yeah. What's up?

[Damaris]

Yeah. Out of head, nodded and smiled.

[Rory]

Would you call him Jermaine Maine?

[Damaris]

No, Respectful Maine. I actually have a cousin Jermaine, who I call Maine. But no.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Damaris]

I would have just, you know, heading out of them, but I didn't. I had to go upload.

[Rory]

A stranger head nodding. He was crazy.

[Mal]

A girl head nodding. You was Crazy. Just imagine a girl just used to look at a girl, she go, what the is wrong with her?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

I think cold don't know who I.

[Rory]

Am probably, but I don't know. In a dark club, after performing cold know you. Performing every song without taking a cold know you.

[Mal]

I'm just asking.

[Damaris]

Why are you bothering?

[Mal]

I'm just asking.

[Damaris]

How does Cole know you bothering me? I don't. I don't. I don't know if he does. I'm just saying. I wouldn't.

[Mal]

Nah, you just said. You say you think Cole don't know me. That's what you just said.

[Damaris]

That's all I asked.

[Mal]

And then I asked. I said, Cole knows you.

[Damaris]

I don't know. I don't think so.

[Mal]

But I just asked.

[Damaris]

It was a question.

[Mal]

Probably not and nod, though, right? He would have had not the. That just sold out the guard.

[Rory]

It's crazy. Also, the amount of rapping he did on that stage. Without taking a breath, he hit every single syllable. Word perfect. It was such an amazing performance. After letting out all that oxygen and then walking into a club, dark club at that. He'd be like, damaris. Yeah, I knew right away.

[Damaris]

I never said I knew you were here.

[Mal]

I just knew you were there. I knew you were out there in the crowd.

[Peach]

He did Two Face at the Garden, which is crazy.

[Rory]

Yeah, it was great.

[Peach]

That was nuts.

[Rory]

He did Simba at the Garden. Was incredible. Yeah, I. I really enjoyed dollar in a Dream. It was a really, really good show. And for someone that probably hasn't performed that stuff in 10 years. Yeah, thoroughly. Yeah, I thought it was a really, really good.

[Peach]

At the afters. I ended up leaving like 3am I got home, got the spins and threw up in my toilet and then passed out.

[Damaris]

You left after three? It was after. Definitely after three.

[Peach]

Whatever time it was. Yeah, I projectile vomit.

[Mal]

So that hookah and beer.

[Peach]

I had no hookah, but I had probably a lot.

[Damaris]

Did you kiss that girl?

[Peach]

No.

[Rory]

Do you? How do you know?

[Peach]

Because I didn't.

[Mal]

How do you know you didn't kiss her?

[Peach]

I didn't black out. I just threw up. I got the spins when I got home.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Damaris]

Yeah. So he was, you know, this was.

[Rory]

At the after party. He was getting a little rhythm. You guys told me so bad.

[Damaris]

I'm sorry. I'm running my mouth. My bad.

[Peach]

You know, like I told the marriage, I was like, I love these guys, but they don't. They don't really bring women out like.

[Rory]

That because most of them are in, I know, committed relations.

[Peach]

I Love.

[Mal]

Because, see, when I said it last week, y'all screamed me out the room. About what? About Cole not bringing out no chicks at the shows. Y'all screaming at me.

[Damaris]

No, not at the show.

[Rory]

He brings out women.

[Peach]

Stop talking about, like, in the intimate after settings.

[Damaris]

They don't bring the hoes through.

[Peach]

And when I say women, I'm saying hoes.

[Mal]

So if it's. If it's an after party for my show and it's bad chicks at the show, where's the. Like, where's the disconnect?

[Damaris]

Because they're not. That was a super intimate. That wasn't a you can just get in afterparty like Eve was handing out.

[Peach]

It was a wristband for the party.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Like, it was that type of thing.

[Peach]

So they gave us at msg, and then we look.

[Mal]

Yeah, but who's. Who's handing out the wristbands to who, though?

[Rory]

Somebody. Somebody in a committed relationship.

[Peach]

This is how small the after after party was. Those wristbands for the after after party were handed out at the initial after party at msg.

[Damaris]

So everybody that was at the original after party didn't even get a wristband. It was like, super. It was not that many people in there. It was.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah.

[Peach]

And the club wasn't even open. It wasn't publicly open. It was closed for the night. So it was literally just them, like.

[Mal]

The crew, but no, no, no beautiful women.

[Peach]

Well, it's funny you say that, because Damaris and I had a question. We were saying when we were at my apartment, it was like, mary, Kill. Drake. Women fans. Drake, Kendrick. Cole did.

[Mal]

Oh, Damaris answered it.

[Peach]

I. We agreed.

[Damaris]

We both agree.

[Mal]

What do you mean, we both agreed? What did you agree to in that. In that question?

[Peach]

I want to hear your answers first. We have a very.

[Mal]

What do you mean you want to.

[Rory]

Hear my answer Immediately?

[Peach]

And I think he's on our side.

[Rory]

But because of the perception of this podcast, I don't want to really say it exactly, because it's going to come off as hate, and it's not hate.

[Mal]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Rory]

Everybody slow down.

[Mal]

Everybody slow down. What are we talking about right now?

[Damaris]

Mary, Kill.

[Rory]

Drake. Kendrick. Women women fans.

[Damaris]

Listen. Yeah. The female fans.

[Rory]

All we want to talk about or marrying or killing.

[Mal]

That's why I'm trying to understand, which. That's why I said slow down so I can understand what y'all talking about.

[Rory]

Cole is tall.

[Mal]

So you saying what women. What women fans would say?

[Peach]

Yes. Which women fans of the three would you marry? Kill.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mal]

All right, so did. Did she. Did you answer that?

[Peach]

We both did.

[Damaris]

Y'all need to answer that Easiest question.

[Rory]

I'm sorry. To some people on the west coast that are very sensitive and you can't say anything bad without everyone thinking that people hate the West Coast. I would marry Cole fans. I would fuck Drake fans, and I would kill Kendrick fans.

[Damaris]

Clip it. I feel like that's a no brainer.

[Peach]

Mall Europe.

[Mal]

That's probably the same.

[Peach]

We have the same answer.

[Damaris]

No brainer.

[Rory]

Yeah. Is there like another option where I.

[Damaris]

Don'T have to murder on the west coast? If you.

[Rory]

I don't want to be responsible for murdering women.

[Peach]

You don't kill them. It's a hypothetical.

[Rory]

Both. Like maybe just send a nice text to say, hey, this isn't working out. Instead of killing.

[Damaris]

Okay, cool. Ghosting Mary Ghost.

[Peach]

Mary Ghost.

[Mal]

Yeah, Mary Ghost.

[Rory]

But I feel like there's so much crossover between all three of those fan bases, so.

[Damaris]

Yeah, there are.

[Peach]

But in the spirit of polarizing and choosing sides, why not? Do we have. Do we want to explain why we feel that?

[Damaris]

Well, the reason what we have. The reason how this conversation happened.

[Rory]

Not entirely. It's a podcast, so why not?

[Damaris]

The reason why we had this conversation. It wasn't at your house. We were actually in line while we were waiting for the tickets to come down. And I looked around and I was like. I was like. Somebody told me I look like a J. Cole fan. And I wanted to get you. I wanted to get offended, but I couldn't because I looked around and saw a bunch of me.

[Peach]

There were literally all the.

[Rory]

Cole has a lot of pretty women fans. A lot.

[Peach]

Well, so then he brings them out. We had the conversation at the after party.

[Rory]

The whole crew's married, so. And it's a 10 year anniversary. They're going to be there with their wives.

[Damaris]

Yeah, they want no around.

[Rory]

Yeah, I can see that for sure. But Cole brings them out. Absolutely. I've been to countless cultures. Even Dreamville Fest. They're there.

[Peach]

Okay, so why would we marry Cole fans, Drake fans, and Ghost Kendrick fans.

[Mal]

I think I'm ready to switch, though, because I've been to a couple Drake shows. It was some bad bitches there.

[Rory]

There's a bunch of bad bitches.

[Damaris]

There's a bunch of. Nobody would ever fight you.

[Rory]

I've been to Kendrick shows and there's bad.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.

[Rory]

So what are you gonna switch? You wanna marry the Drake fans?

[Mal]

I think I saw two girls at a Drake show that I probably would have married as Cole.

[Rory]

Would say they don't wanna be saved.

[Mal]

Only been the one Kendrick show, and we was in the suite together, so I ain't.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah.

[Mal]

I couldn't really see what was in the crowd.

[Rory]

Yeah, you're right, we couldn't. But I. I've been to Kendrick's shows where they're there. There is a lot of crossover between Cole fans and Kendrick fans. That's why it's kind of an unfair question. But if someone has to die, I mean, it's.

[Damaris]

We literally changed it to ghost and you're still trying to kill them.

[Rory]

It's gonna be the keen fans, the key. Any chick that I'd be like, all.

[Mal]

Right, Peach clip it.

[Rory]

Be here.

[Mal]

Let them say he's glazing for us.

[Damaris]

But the crazy thing is.

[Rory]

What am I glazing? I don't know. Same thing.

[Damaris]

They said I was glazing on the west side.

[Rory]

Pretty Coal fans. Yeah, I blaze those.

[Damaris]

If we were to call a dude from the west side, he would say Mary Kendrick, probably that. I. I do. I do.

[Peach]

I know some of them. They don't say that.

[Mal]

They definitely don't. Nah, I'm telling you they don't. I'm telling you, they do not.

[Peach]

I know. So I can't say it. I can't say I know.

[Damaris]

I. I don't know. I feel like the guys I know from the west side, like the. Around the way guys I know from the west side, they would. They would marry a Kendrick fan.

[Mal]

No way, man. Who you think they go married?

[Rory]

Yeah. What would 6,0 go with Drake fans?

[Damaris]

Mary, like, if she had. And I'm not just talking about the casual Drake fan. I'm like, if she had to stand an artist, and the artist. She stands the way that I stand. Cole was Drake.

[Rory]

Okay, I'm gonna add some stipulations. What. What type of Drake fan are we talking? You know, because I think that's unfair. Because Cole and Drake came out when I was in college, and it was a lot of college women that liked them because they were rapping about college shit and inflatable. And a lot of those women went on to be amazing career women, beautiful wifey material. But then Drake took this crazy pivot of super fucking stardom where all the club rats started loving him too. So what? There is a balance of Drake. There's.

[Mal]

The day ones are not there.

[Rory]

I think they are, but I'm not sure. Are we. Is that who we're talking about? Or are we talking about the whores? And there's nothing wrong with Horror fans.

[Damaris]

Put it like this.

[Rory]

They buy tickets, too.

[Peach]

These kind of Drake fans.

[Rory]

What's wrong with these two? Don't do that.

[Damaris]

You don't do that.

[Peach]

I'm just saying, like, that era sleep.

[Damaris]

With both of those.

[Peach]

In the hypothetical. Yes. That's what I said I would. Them. That checks out. No, but I'm saying you wouldn't want to marry them. No.

[Rory]

Aren't they. You don't even know that.

[Peach]

They're probably, like, 19.

[Mal]

I don't even know who that is.

[Peach]

They probably are, like, two tick tockers that he got for this video. But my point is this era. I'm bringing them up to say this era of Drake fan, not the college ones that you're talking about.

[Rory]

Okay, well, then I think that's a little unfair. But.

[Damaris]

Morgan Wallen fans. Peach. He is.

[Peach]

Yeah, he's in the beginning at the dinner scene.

[Damaris]

Oh, I didn't know that. Isn't Morgan Wallen, like, a racist?

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Oh, okay.

[Mal]

Cool.

[Peach]

He makes country.

[Rory]

Peach said he's misunderstood. So what was. What was everyone's favorite part of the night?

[Mal]

Love yours.

[Damaris]

Nah, get off my dick. But I knew that that was gonna. That was when I cried, and I have myself on video crying to you.

[Mal]

That's a wild. Cried to get off my dick.

[Damaris]

I cried to get off my dick.

[Mal]

Yo, what are you going through? Are you o. No, get off my dick. It made you cry.

[Damaris]

It's not the song. It's the fact that that's one of my favorite J. Cole songs. It's definitely my favorite on that album. Like, that's my favorite J. Cole song, and I've never heard him perform it live, so.

[Mal]

All right, but the tears. Why are the tears, though?

[Damaris]

Because I was happy.

[Peach]

They're happy tears.

[Rory]

Listen, you shouldn't judge because I. You were the polar opposite. When I've been on a riser with you, I think there's.

[Mal]

I'm looking at.

[Rory]

There should be somewhere in the middle. You guys are the polar opposites of each other. Crying and get off my dick is hilarious. But also, standing stoic while amazing things are happening right in front of your face on a riser should, like, bring some type of emotion.

[Mal]

I'm watching the show.

[Rory]

Yeah, but like. Like, at least raise an eyebrow.

[Mal]

Am I supposed to be jumping up and down while somebody's performing?

[Damaris]

Like, yeah, especially when Get Off My Dick plays Fuck no.

[Peach]

That was probably.

[Damaris]

He literally says, from the window to the wall. You should have went from window to wall.

[Peach]

You got a point.

[Rory]

Which window is.

[Mal]

I have never pointed from the window to the wall. A day in my life. From the window to the wall.

[Peach]

Not even on the level, John.

[Mal]

You think I've done that? No, I've never done that. From the window to the wall.

[Peach]

How old were you?

[Mal]

First of all, there's no windows in msg.

[Rory]

Let's start, like, there's sky boxes.

[Mal]

What were you pointing at?

[Peach]

There's glass.

[Mal]

You was pointing at Patrick Ewan's jersey. And then you pointed at the Stanley Cup. The Rangers. Stanley cup, flag.

[Peach]

Banners.

[Mal]

Yeah. You pointed at banners.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

That was so packed that it felt small, if that makes sense.

[Peach]

It was intimate.

[Damaris]

It felt very small because I went and saw. We saw Sza. We didn't, but I saw Sza at the Garden. I saw Janet at the Garden. Recently. I've been to a couple shows at the Garden, but they didn't feel. It felt small. I don't know. It's hard to explain. Like, that shit was packed.

[Peach]

Yeah. Saw a lot of great artists, basketball players. It was just like a mixture of just, like, good.

[Damaris]

Some moves and playing people.

[Mal]

No, that's good, man. I'm glad you had it.

[Peach]

And. And it obviously solidifies that Cole is the best rapper out of New York. He's. He is a New York rapper, definitely.

[Damaris]

King of New York.

[Peach]

King of New York.

[Rory]

We've had this conversation on the. Wait, what for? And after msg, I saw Twitter taking.

[Mal]

Why are you trying to talk over me? Don't do that.

[Rory]

Because I'm explaining it.

[Mal]

Let's address.

[Rory]

I'm trying to explain to you.

[Mal]

Do you think J. Cole is the king of New York?

[Rory]

The King of New York is crazy. I've said for. I've said for years, though, that we claim Colt Cole. We can claim. I feel.

[Mal]

No, we can't.

[Rory]

Why? St. John's his entire career was in New York. Is here.

[Mal]

He doesn't claim New York.

[Rory]

His entire team is from.

[Mal]

He does not claim New York.

[Damaris]

Yeah, he doesn't claim that. He's.

[Mal]

J. Cole claims New York, New York.

[Damaris]

He whips. He reps Queens so hard. He always has. He even said, that's not new.

[Rory]

January 28th. Doesn't even say, yeah, I said, son, I'm from New York. Like, he. Yeah, his life really started here. As far as his career and adulthood.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I don't know if Cole reps.

[Peach]

He records a lot here mostly.

[Mal]

He's definitely smart.

[Damaris]

He mentions Queen is a damn near every song, like, he really fucks with. He's always been like that.

[Rory]

And, like, he wasn't an artist that Moved to New York and then went to Greenpoint or Williamsburg or lived in Turtle Bay. Like, he lived in Jamaica, Queens for most of his life. I think that gives. We can claim him.

[Peach]

And he still lives here.

[Damaris]

He still lives here.

[Rory]

Only rapper in New York that stayed, including the ones that were born here.

[Mal]

So why he ain't do a festival here?

[Peach]

Well, I mean, he's home. Hometown versus where you, like, become an artist are two different things.

[Damaris]

And on top of that, why wouldn't there.

[Peach]

But his artistry in, like, the beginning of his career is New York.

[Damaris]

And not even just that. Why would you bring. New York has so much.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Where he's from, doesn't have. So, yeah, I'm gonna bring back to.

[Rory]

My hometown, which isn't even his hometown, by the way. Well, it's a completely different city.

[Damaris]

I know, but it's close enough.

[Peach]

You're not gonna do a festival.

[Rory]

It's actually not that close at all.

[Peach]

It's in the state.

[Damaris]

It's like two hours away. But it's like, let me bring something down here, because they don't really have shit down here. Why would I bring something to New York? New York has everything. That's not fair. I respect what he did with that way.

[Peach]

That's not bad at all.

[Damaris]

I don't think that that's. I don't think it's crazy for us to claim Cole.

[Rory]

I just feel like if.

[Damaris]

Cause the south don't claim him because he doesn't rap like a Southern rapper, he raps like a New York rapper.

[Rory]

I don't do that because there's rappers in the south that rap like New York rappers.

[Peach]

I think it's less about his voice and tone and lyrics. I think it's just literally about where he stay. Where he stays. Like where his career flourished.

[Rory]

Like him performing Simba, which is one of his first records ever before signed. Anything to say? I wrote this in Jamaica, Queens. Like, a lot of it in his career is just based off where he was, how he raps, his entire crew. To this day, he's just surrounded by a bunch of queens guys. I feel like. I feel like if Khaled is allowed to say he's from Miami, Cole can claim New York. Same exact situation. They made their bones and career in that city. They defined their sound from that city. They are that city. But Khaled is from New Orleans, born and raised. Doesn't even talk about it. Says he's from the 305 and no one cares because he did so much for Miami and really made his career there. DJ Drama reps Philly, for sure. If you ask him where you from, he would say Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, no matter what. But he's from Atlanta.

[Peach]

He's Atlanta.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I think Drama Atlanta. Philly is the same with Cole in North Carolina and Queens.

[Mal]

I don't know. I think more people identify Cole with being from Carolina, though. Like, repping Carolina.

[Rory]

Sure, he does like people. I'm not saying he's like false.

[Mal]

People on your side of New York would never say that. Like, he's New York. They would never say that.

[Rory]

But fair. But if you look at his career, I think at this point, it is safe to say it wasn't like a phase where he was two years out of college and was just staying in New York because that's where he was. And the ROC Nation office was here. And then the whole industry moved to LA and he went to LA. He has stayed in Queens since he's been in St. John's yeah.

[Peach]

King of New York.

[Rory]

I'm not.

[Damaris]

King of New York is wild.

[Rory]

I'm not gonna go that far.

[Damaris]

But we were. We were joking about that.

[Mal]

But not Nicki Minaj.

[Damaris]

Jay is still the king of New York.

[Peach]

I'm talking about, like, of current. Like, now.

[Damaris]

Well, but me and you had a king has to die for the new king to be crowned. Jay is still very much kicking and alive. Yeah. That's how kingdom gets passed down. The king has to die and then the crown gets passed down.

[Rory]

Not necessarily that works that way.

[Peach]

They had every single legend crown Kendrick the king of la. They were all there. They put the on his neck.

[Rory]

Who's the king of the South? TI Said he was.

[Damaris]

I was literally about to say. I can only think TI because he.

[Peach]

Was the most vocal about it, but.

[Rory]

He proved it afterwards.

[Damaris]

I really feel like, is he still the.

[Rory]

The king? Because he hasn't, like, I don't want to even put that in the air, but because he's still alive, he's still the king.

[Damaris]

It's future.

[Rory]

But see, I still.

[Peach]

You said that like Lorilla.

[Damaris]

Yes, It's. It's future.

[Mal]

It's furniture. It's furniture.

[Peach]

It's furniture.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So is Snoop still the king of la?

[Damaris]

No, Kendrick is now the king.

[Rory]

So you guys are going against your exact point then?

[Peach]

Yeah, that's why I brought it up.

[Damaris]

Nah. But for New York, you gotta die, though.

[Rory]

Jay Z live in la.

[Damaris]

So who more New York, Cole or J? I'm just saying. You feel me?

[Mal]

Like, what are you saying, man? We just be saying anything.

[Rory]

Oh, from Trenton, man. I don't know.

[Mal]

Oh, my God, though. See, this is. It's why they gotta cut the mics off.

[Damaris]

But I don't think we have a current active. Like, y'all would have to give it to Cash Cobain then. Who the is active in New York right now? Who's active in New York right now? Come up with it since you got answers.

[Rory]

She's bringing up a pretty good point of. That's okay. There's no current people that would be labeled king are not retired per se, but are not as active as usual. Nikki might be the most active of the older legends. If you go down to the young kids. Yeah, it's tough to say who, quote, unquote, would be the king. I think at one point, for the younger kids, a boogie held that. But I feel like he's been a little unactive lately. I don't. Would it be Cash Cobain for the last two years?

[Peach]

I Spice.

[Damaris]

So then who is it? What's your opinion?

[Rory]

It definitely would have been possible.

[Peach]

It would have been popular.

[Mal]

First of all, what is the criteria for crowning somebody king of a city?

[Rory]

The person that's gonna podcast mic and say it.

[Damaris]

Okay, yeah, yeah, right. Somebody that's running. Running the city musically, who, if you go out, you can't not hear them.

[Rory]

I think that's unfair to put him, though, on someone that just, like, had a good two years.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Rory]

I feel like you have to be 10 years in minimum.

[Damaris]

I don't feel like 10. I feel like five. Five minimum. In this day and age.

[Peach]

In this day and age, five is good.

[Damaris]

Five. Continually. Like, you're successful all five years.

[Rory]

Okay. And you're five albums, five years, or like two albums, five years.

[Mal]

What are we.

[Rory]

What are we talking there?

[Damaris]

Three albums, five years.

[Rory]

Okay. In this day and age. I wouldn't be mad at that. With how quick comes and goes. That's. That's a long career in this day and age. But who has done that? That's been dominating. People have made good music in New York for the last five years.

[Mal]

I mean, it would have to be Jay, Naz and Nikki. As far as I'm concerned, Nas has.

[Rory]

Been the most active, actually. I take it back.

[Mal]

That's what I'm saying. Like, who's my king? Well, we know why Cole can't be king of New York, but.

[Rory]

No, I'm not saying in any way Cole can be king of New York. I'm just saying I think we can claim him at this point.

[Mal]

Okay, I'm not mad at that. But people outside of New York would never say that. I think that's a New York thing. Because we know he's been.

[Rory]

No, if we were to do top five New York rappers or top 10 or whatever, I don't think Cole would be allowed to be on the board.

[Mal]

But this is what I'm saying. So how can he. How can we claim him? You can't even put him on the top 10 rappers out of New York right now list.

[Peach]

Cause he's not from New York.

[Rory]

Yeah, that'd be.

[Mal]

That's what I'm saying. So how can we claim him if we can't Even if we put a list together right now? Top 10 Rappers from New York out of New York. Okay, top 10 rappers in New York. You can't put.

[Rory]

I would say if the average. The average hip hop fan. Let me not say average, above average hip hop fan. If you ask them their favorite New York producers ever, or producers that define the New York sound, they would say DJ Premier, right?

[Mal]

Most people. Yeah.

[Rory]

Where's DJ Premier from?

[Mal]

Texas.

[Rory]

Most people don't even fucking know that they think he's New York. I was like, 20 when I found out he wasn't from New York City. I just assumed he was Brooklyn through and through. I think Cole is similar in that regard, too. His sound is very much New York. He is defined by it now. Lived here most of his life. Him and DJ Premier, I think, are similar there.

[Mal]

I just don't know if I've ever seen Jake Ho say, yo, I'm from New York.

[Damaris]

He's never said he's from New York because he's from New York.

[Mal]

So how can we. How can we claim him if he's never. If he's never even.

[Rory]

Because there's no rules. We just do what we want.

[Damaris]

Okay, well, if that's the case, it's like, have. I don't. It's okay.

[Mal]

Like, I just can't see us saying, yeah, Cole's from here. Like, I just won't even say that.

[Rory]

What's the bonus record on born center with 50 and J. Cole, New York Times. Come on, man. Yo, two New York rappers, New York Times. Can we pull up the lyrics to that?

[Damaris]

Yeah. Rory is so funny. We just claim him as a. Like. It's like a transplant that moved here when they were 13. Yeah, they might be some fucking. Ohio.

[Peach]

Read the opening. It's really for Queens, though. Really for Queens, though, You know?

[Damaris]

Yeah. If you. If you met a girl who. Who moved here when she was 12 years old. You're not gonna tell her that she don't have ties to New York if she lived here her whole life.

[Rory]

I'm not saying Cole's got Queensbridge than you do.

[Mal]

You said what?

[Rory]

Cole has more shooters in Queensbridge than you do.

[Mal]

Yeah, so it's quoting Jay Z for.

[Rory]

The nerds out there.

[Mal]

I get it. And I know Cole has spent a lot of years in New York City. I know that. But when you say we can claim him, I just don't know if that works like that.

[Peach]

Look at the first verse.

[Rory]

The only reason why we're trying to convince you right now is not because we care that much. It's because we need it. We just don't have much.

[Mal]

I mean, if we can take Cole.

[Rory]

Under our wing off of technicality, why.

[Mal]

Don'T we just do it, man? I feel you.

[Rory]

Let's do it.

[Mal]

I feel you. I'm with you on that, but I don't know, man.

[Rory]

So with that said, now that we all agree. Is he. Is he top. Top 10 New York rapper of all time?

[Peach]

Of all time.

[Mal]

Can't put him on that list. He's not New York. You can't put him on that list.

[Rory]

Well, either way, I really enjoyed the show. I liked him going down memory lane. Love that, like, Muhammad's house has become like, a. An adjective or noun or whatever that would mean.

[Mal]

You watched the stream, right?

[Damaris]

Did you watch it?

[Peach]

It was well shot. Obviously, we were there. So I didn't watch in the moment, but in retrospect, when I was home the next morning, it was a lot of clips on Twitter, and it was, like, really beautifully produced.

[Rory]

Yeah, it was great.

[Mal]

I mean, the crowd looked great. Like, you know, love yours with all the phones, cameras out. You know, it's one of those you had to be there moments. I get it.

[Rory]

I mean, you didn't really have to, but if you were there, that's cool.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Mal]

No, beautiful moment.

[Rory]

You have an issue with people doing the. The light camera thing?

[Mal]

No, no, no. I think that's dope. Especially when you have a packed arena like that. Like, it looks great. Did he cry at all?

[Damaris]

I don't remember. I don't know. I cried. I don't remember him crying.

[Rory]

She cried for the both of them.

[Peach]

Yeah, I didn't cry. Thought I would have almost.

[Damaris]

I love yours.

[Mal]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Slow down, everybody. You thought she was going to cry to J. Cole show?

[Peach]

Because I said if I see Damaris cry, I would probably cry.

[Damaris]

He couldn't cry to get off my dick. So I was crying to get off my dick. And I don't think he could bring himself to cry together.

[Peach]

That wasn't gonna happen. Yeah. No, because now I'm never gonna.

[Mal]

All right, so what song would have made you cry, Julian?

[Peach]

I don't know. I just thought it would have happened at some point.

[Rory]

Love yours, for sure.

[Peach]

I mean, if there were to be a song that you.

[Rory]

I think you were probably fighting them back at that time.

[Peach]

I was. I was. I wasn't even that drunk at that point. Nah, I was just like, ha. I think it was just like I was overcome with joy, but not, like, in a crying way.

[Damaris]

I was hammered by two. By 2:30am I was.

[Peach]

Oh.

[Mal]

After.

[Peach]

After I got.

[Damaris]

I literally was stumbling around the Lower east side by myself. I'm such a walking lick. Stumbling around the Lower east side by myself with a $700 camera in my pocket.

[Rory]

Nice.

[Damaris]

Lock out the studio, but, you know, life is life.

[Rory]

Somebody texted me during the show that J. Cole dresses like a West coast dyke. And I couldn't get it out of my head for the rest of the show.

[Damaris]

Who text you that?

[Rory]

I'm not gonna tell you. And I know you guys won't laugh at that because it's a dig at Cole, but I laughed out loud.

[Peach]

That is funny.

[Rory]

It's okay to laugh at Cole for certain things.

[Damaris]

I laughed easily.

[Rory]

A human as well. We're allowed to make jokes as well. We just complimented him for 41 minutes.

[Peach]

He is king.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Well, I'm glad y'all had a great time. And shout out to all the Dream Village. Shout out to J. Cole.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

For an amazing show. Congrats to E. Madison Square Guard, shout outs to EB Shout out together. Great night.

[Rory]

The real story, though, I don't know if it was at the Garden or it was at Barclays Center. Mariah Carey did a Christmas show, and I didn't see one fucking ad. Was that like an invite only?

[Damaris]

I think it was. Well, Rihanna was there getting her titty signed, so probably.

[Peach]

No, they was. Remember, we talked about. She did like, a four or five arena. She's doing a tour right now.

[Rory]

Yeah, but I didn't realize that was in New York. I thought, yeah, like some Vegas residency shit. Well, she did a show. Rihanna was there, got her titty signed. They were singing fucking jingle bells. I was jealous. This is what I would. I really got FOMO for.

[Mal]

Yeah, I would. I would want to go see Santa.

[Rory]

I would address.

[Mal]

This is my idea. Like how you took Amara to see Santa. This is Santa.

[Peach]

Mariah got some heavy.

[Rory]

You would sit on her lap for a photo.

[Mal]

Mariah and.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

Tell her what you wanted for Christmas.

[Mal]

Oh, everything on my list was.

[Rory]

Was Nick in the building?

[Damaris]

Key.

[Mal]

Nick Cannon.

[Rory]

Nick Cannon.

[Damaris]

Oh, I doubt it.

[Rory]

I'm sure her kids want to see, like, isn't that part of parenting?

[Peach]

Didn't Rihanna say ASAP wanted her to get this done?

[Damaris]

Yeah, she was like, ASAP sent me over here to get my titty signed. And Mariah was like, what do you want me to write? She said, mariah. The fuck you think? Like, she was like, I'm a huge fan.

[Rory]

The celebrities still, like, sign autographs. This is cool. I hope this becomes a thing.

[Damaris]

I think she. I'm sure. I think she only signed it because it was.

[Rory]

Oh, of course. Only because it was Rihanna.

[Damaris]

Well, no, actually, they had a Sharpie on them, so they probably were signing autographs.

[Rory]

Oh, I thought she was, like, walking off stage at this point.

[Damaris]

She was, but I'm saying they had a. Like, Mariah's crew had a Sharpie with them, so that means that she was probably about to go sign autographs. Yeah, I was heartbroken that I missed that. Can't believe that I missed that. That's Santa for real.

[Mal]

How does Mariah sound? Is she sounding better live now? Because I know at one point she wasn't sounding too good live.

[Rory]

There was one, like, morning show or today show that they kind of caught her vocals and before they could be deleted for the west coast or whatever, and it didn't sound great. But I'm sure.

[Damaris]

I think that she. She just doesn't have the ability to hit the ranges that she used to hit. I'm sure that, you know, Mariah used to sing in a very. All that whistle register shit. I'm sure that that's affected her vocal cords over time. So I don't think that she can go as high as she used to.

[Rory]

And if she, you know, she works once a year now, which is fine. She had an incredible career and just does Christmas. You're not practicing singing, staying in vocal shape, that's tough the way she sings. But I'm sure because she announced a bunch of arena shows, she was practicing in fucking August.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

So I would like to see Mariah. I never see Mariah Carey live.

[Rory]

First concert ever.

[Damaris]

Me either.

[Mal]

Never saw a live.

[Rory]

I haven't seen her since the Heartbreaker tour.

[Mal]

Saw Janet live a couple times. Never seen Mariah.

[Damaris]

Janet is still not sick. I just want everybody to give her her flowers. Jeanette still doesn't use. She uses background vocals, but not like Gina still sings. She doesn't lip sync. She still. Like, when I went and seen her live, she was still singing. And I know that she was singing because I. I know. I studied Gina Jackson. She was actually singing still. And she doesn't have the strongest voice in the world, but she's still dancing and singing.

[Rory]

She's like 50 something random. But shout out to Cole's background singers. Those women that they kept showing on the stream, they were. They were sanging. Sangin that. They were incredible. Those are some of the best background singers I've ever heard at an arena show.

[Peach]

Yeah, that band was great too.

[Rory]

Let's stay on music, though. We are recording this on Thursday, December 19, December 20. We are supposed to get the SOS Deluxe, which is also Lana, which is a completely different album. I think we should just call this a whole nother album. I get it. With the streaming games and everything. It's got to be a deluxe. And this is the new world that we have to accept. But I'm going into this with unfair expectations that this is a SZA album, not an SOS Deluxe, not songs that maybe could have made it. If you're calling it Lana, I have expectations for an album. Is that unfair?

[Mal]

What do you mean? What do you mean? You said this is a scissor album. Of course this is his album. Is.

[Rory]

It's. It's the SOS Deluxe.

[Mal]

That would still be a scissor album.

[Damaris]

He means a new SIZ album.

[Peach]

Yeah, like not. Not associated with.

[Rory]

So, like, if she was. If she were to say, okay, because on the fifth anniversary of Control, she put out the Control Deluxe, which was really cool, a bunch of references and shit that didn't make it, which plenty of artists have done in the streaming era. You do a deluxe so you can get more streams on the album and get people to revisit it. It's a brilliant strategy that I fully understand. But I've never seen someone call a deluxe a different name. So to me, this should fall in her discography as Control SOS then Lana. No.

[Mal]

And does it when it's a deluxe, does it usually take. I mean, I could be wrong. The SOS came out two years ago, right?

[Rory]

Yeah, but I mean, she did her Control Deluxe five years later. The five year anniversary. Well, that's different. Five year anniversary is different, but not. There's still artists. There's some artists that do that, like the next week, but there's some artists that.

[Mal]

Wait, it says Lana and SOS Deluxe. So it's probably. It's probably enough new songs when they're for it to be a new album as well. I don't think it's only gonna be like five new songs.

[Rory]

Does that. I mean, this is like, weird fan nitpicky, but does that, like, kind of bother y'all a little bit? Because I feel like sza. I get why a lot of artists do the deluxe. Again, like, the point I just made of having fans go back to an album and stream it more. I don't think SZA needs to do that type of shit whatsoever. She's going to sell insane no matter what, and rightfully so. I don't think she needs to be under the control of some of these streaming games and all that other shit. And if you have an album, which I'm always confident that SZA is going to deliver an incredible fucking album. And you're calling it Lana, which is your government name. Yeah. Just do a new album or attach.

[Mal]

A new album to the old album.

[Rory]

Yeah. I guess I'm not going with the times and adapting. And it should just be Control SOS and Lana all in one playlist at this point. I mean, I actually wouldn't complain, but I'm extremely excited. I think it's perfect time of year for a SZA album. They were crying. I get off my dick. But I am in the perfect headspace to cry to a SZA album. I'm going to go for a walk tomorrow, same way I did when SOS came out. And I hope it's overcast.

[Mal]

I might check Seattle tomorrow.

[Rory]

Let's check the weather for tomorrow.

[Peach]

Should we do a quick trip? Seattle?

[Mal]

Let's go to Seattle and let's quick trip to Seattle.

[Rory]

Oh, it's going to. Oh, it's going to rain tomorrow.

[Mal]

Yes.

[Rory]

You know what? I think I might.

[Mal]

Are you going to go outside and just, like, lay down in a T shirt? The water hit you?

[Rory]

Yeah, I was going to say. I don't even think I'll put a raincoat on.

[Mal]

Yeah, no, just.

[Rory]

I think I'll just. I'll just walk out in a T shirt.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And just really accept these bars.

[Mal]

Accept. Just. Just. Just appreciate of Lana.

[Rory]

Let. Let the precipitation go into my pores as if the lyrics are flowing through my body.

[Mal]

You have to live in inside of the music.

[Peach]

Sza. So it says here Scissor wrote over a hundred songs for the original sos.

[Rory]

So I remember her. Her saying that she has however many.

[Peach]

Albums over for that. And then she put out a Teaser. So far, the only visual outside of the album artwork is a teaser with Ben Stiller for the.

[Mal]

She wrote 100 songs for S.O.S.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Mal]

That is crazy.

[Peach]

This is probably a collection of those.

[Rory]

A lot of years that it does check out.

[Peach]

Over five years.

[Damaris]

We can't play that, baby.

[Rory]

I mean, I already love Drive, but who's a better Nepo baby? Janet Jackson or Ben Stiller?

[Damaris]

Ask me stupid questions. Who thought to put Ben Stiller, like, I love Ben Stiller. I haven't seen him in so long. Who thought, like. Whose brain was like, Ben Stiller?

[Peach]

Isn't it for.

[Rory]

Everyone knows Punch is a really, really big meet the parents fan.

[Damaris]

Oh, really?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Is that from completely making that up?

[Peach]

Isn't he working on something? Is he, like, a part of a show?

[Rory]

Well, SZA has a movie coming out that is Ben Stiller producing Severance.

[Peach]

I think it was a Severance type promo. He's involved with Severance. He directed Severance.

[Rory]

But I think Ben Stiller also may be a producer on the movie that SZA is coming out with.

[Damaris]

Well, I know Issa Ray is in charge of it. I don't know if Ben Stiller has anything to do with it.

[Rory]

Well, either way, I mean, it works. She always gets an actor to just do a cameo for. She got moaning in clubhouse lakeith for the last one owning in club so. And I mean a hundred songs. I usually hate long albums, but SOS proved me wrong. Every song on there is, like, not a skip to me. It's perfect with the amount of songs that it is. So if Susan wants to add 35 on the Lana, I'm not gonna complain.

[Mal]

SOS is a great album, man.

[Rory]

It's incredible.

[Damaris]

Amazing.

[Rory]

And when I saw how many records it was, I was, oh, God, no. Go back to control of just 11 records. Every song is fire. I get why every record stayed on there.

[Mal]

What was that? What's the name? Gone Girl.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Oh, my God. You talking about crying Julian, that play gone girl at 1:30 and watch me turn into a little dove.

[Rory]

Would you. Would you judge me?

[Peach]

Dove?

[Damaris]

I'm good, actually.

[Peach]

Dove is great.

[Rory]

Would you judge me if I said that Gone Girl is my go to shower song?

[Mal]

No, I would totally understand.

[Rory]

And the acoustics in my bathroom is pretty good, so I actually sound better than I usually would with the echo in there.

[Mal]

Like, you shampoo yourself too?

[Rory]

Oh, yeah, no, no. The conditioner stays in for. I keep going Girl on loop. So it's like three times and then. I know. Let it last time. Get that good Lather with all the hair that I have. But I don't know, maybe. Maybe I'm more excited than you guys that we get new scissor music at midnight.

[Mal]

I'm.

[Rory]

I'm.

[Mal]

I'm looking forward to it.

[Rory]

Maybe it's because I'm sad. I don't know. I just can't wait for. For Scissors to talk to me.

[Mal]

She's one of those artists that I think we know what to expect whenever she announces she's dropping something. And, you know, it's fun to have those artists that, you know, they're gonna deliver. She's just one of those artists that, no matter what, it's gonna be good music.

[Rory]

Um, I have a question for you guys. Will SZA get a similar treatment to other artists that make great pain music that if she ends up getting in a relationship and ends up being happy, it will piss off a lot of her fans? And will her fans want to hear real relationship in love music from sza?

[Mal]

I think so. I think she's a great enough writer. Oh, we know that she doesn't have to pull from pain and all, you know, just heartbreak all the time.

[Rory]

I'm talking about the weirdo fans that get really upset when their favorite artist.

[Mal]

Oh, you can't do nothing about that. You could put out the.

[Rory]

But it's cheating at that treatment.

[Mal]

I think so.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I don't think no artist is exempt for that from that treatment.

[Damaris]

I don't. I love Sza and I don't know her as a person, but from what I see as far as her music and her artistry, I think that even if SZA gets in a happy, healthy relationship, she will still be able to pull pain out of it. And I think that will come from. That will come from her own feelings about, like, herself. You can hear it in songs like Special or Nobody Gets Me. So I don't think that she'll be writing about her partner being horrible. Even now. It's not a lot about her partners being horrible. A lot of it is about her being horrible.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I mean, a lot. I've actually liked the accountability, the growth of SZA's toxicity like before it was. It's still all very toxic, which she admits. But with SOS There was definitely a hey, maybe I might be the problem here type of vibe. And I could see her getting in a happy relationship and then making an album of being terrified of her being a self saboteur, if that's the correct one of, like, this is such a beautiful place that I'm Terrified I'm gonna ruin it. Yeah, but then what if she goes through her therapy and all the ayahuasca that she was talking about with Kendrick, and then the fifth album, it's just full blown. I'm in love. Everyone else that doesn't have a partner. You guys are weird. Like, oh, you guys are still like dating.

[Damaris]

Y'all still on it.

[Rory]

You guys still swiping left. That's crazy. Taylor's gonna do it.

[Damaris]

Taylor's never gonna do that.

[Peach]

What?

[Rory]

You don't think we're gonna get a happy Travis Kelsey album? A happy Robert Goodell album?

[Mal]

But. But Taylor's always happy for the most part.

[Damaris]

No, no.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Mal]

You don't.

[Peach]

Her whole thing is she just dates to make albums after they break up. That's like her whole.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that's like her shtick.

[Mal]

But she. Or she does a great job of turning into an anthem.

[Peach]

Oh, she. She'll cash out on a relationship 100 as you should.

[Mal]

I mean, like she said, she sounds happy as a I.

[Rory]

It's just weird human nature because even like in the happiest relationships, I still like, don't really like super lovey dovey music like that. And that's kind of up.

[Mal]

Well, that's a reflection of you internally.

[Rory]

Oh, wait. Even if I. I'm in an amazing mood or like, I want to relate to like the only album I can think of that like, I was like, oh, this is great. I can relate was Jay and Beyonce. Everything is Love. I was like, this is cool. Like a mature album that's actually just strictly about love. I can't think of very many other albums like that in the current time. 70s and all that shit. They made amazing, real love music. But this day and age, I only want fucking painful music from these artists.

[Damaris]

Well, my. My last relationship, the. The album, the theme album for that was Woe these Again by Snow Allegra. And that was a pretty loving album. It had a couple toxic. For me, it had a couple toxic songs on it, but it's a pretty positive I'm in love album. It takes you through like the. The falling in love part.

[Mal]

Yes.

[Peach]

No, that's a positive album.

[Rory]

She. She put out one record this year, I think. I mean, she's coming off, in my opinion, which will be a classic of those feelings. But yes, it's been a little quiet. She did that black coffee remix.

[Peach]

This was her last one for love remix.

[Rory]

That was fire. She's been putting out like Lucy's here and there. At one point she put out a Lucy And a trailer, and it looked like we were about to get a snow album.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but that was, like, two years ago. I don't think you noticed how much time now time has gone by. That was, like, two years ago.

[Peach]

Oh, you're talking about those songs where the artwork was, like, flowers?

[Rory]

It was, yeah.

[Peach]

Three records.

[Damaris]

Be My Summer.

[Peach]

You Be my Summer was one of them. Yeah, that's what it was, but not yet. None of those turned into a project.

[Rory]

I mean, I'm sure we'll get a Snow album in 2025.

[Damaris]

I need one badly, actually. I'm scratching.

[Peach]

It's my. It's my queen.

[Rory]

It's. It's needed. And I mean, we'll. We'll get into, like, our rap and R B. Top albums of the year, our favorite ones.

[Mal]

I went to all the way to Philly by myself to go to her show.

[Rory]

I remember. And don't do it. Took a Sprinter. You're acting like you. You like.

[Mal]

I was by myself, though.

[Rory]

I know, but you were like. You were basically carried there.

[Damaris]

I feel like that's lonelier, though. I'd rather I said I went by myself.

[Mal]

Does that change anything? No matter what. Like, what the car was in.

[Rory]

If. If you took, like, Jersey Transit and then. Then switched in Trenton and then got on the Philly train.

[Mal]

Oh, no.

[Rory]

Then I'd be like, all right, the China Bus.

[Mal]

I'm not doing it.

[Rory]

But you were in, like, a beautiful, plush Sprinter. You didn't even realize you left your house.

[Mal]

I mean, you know, had to be comfortable.

[Rory]

Of course. Comfort is number one.

[Mal]

Exactly.

[Rory]

But we'll get into our top.

[Mal]

And it was covered.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah, of course.

[Mal]

Like social distancing. Yeah.

[Rory]

You were being safe.

[Mal]

Exactly.

[Rory]

With a mask on in the Sprinter by yourself.

[Mal]

Now that I'm never doing.

[Damaris]

Do you guys have any idea when Summer's album is coming out? I know it's coming. I know it's coming soon, but I need to know if it's coming before the end of this year.

[Rory]

I. I would say first quarter of next year. I don't think. No his is doing this, but she's.

[Damaris]

Been doing all this advertising, so that's.

[Mal]

Why I'm like, yeah, top of the year.

[Rory]

I think that Apple Music show and, like, I think that's tied to an album that's coming, and she's gonna do more episodes to eventually get there. So, yeah, I would say first quarter R B was. There was great R B this year.

[Mal]

There was.

[Rory]

Don't get me twisted when I'm saying that there was amazing R B this year. But as far as like volume, it was light compared to 2023. Oh yeah, I'm pissed I didn't put my album out in 2024. I may have made a list this year.

[Mal]

This was your year. You missed it.

[Rory]

But yeah, I do want to go through ours next episode. I've got my list. I'm curious what yours is going to be, but it was light for R B this year.

[Mal]

It was light for RB this year, but it was great for R and B this year. It was a lot of dope projects. I could say the same about rap too. There's a lot of good rap projects this year.

[Rory]

Yeah, I'm just saying volume wise it was easy to put my list together. I'll put it that way. And of course it's because all our R and B stars took tens of millions of dollars in grants so they were just living it up. They didn't have time to report that's how they were taking taxpayers dollars to go to Tulum.

[Mal]

That's what they supposed to do.

[Rory]

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[Mal]

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[Rory]

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[Peach]

For anyone who's gonna hold your attention on stage, you have to kind of be a freak.

[Rory]

And starring Timothee Chalamet as Bob Dylan. Are you a freak? Hope so.

[Peach]

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[Rory]

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[Damaris]

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[Rory]

Whatever it is they don't want want me to be. How does it feel?

[Mal]

He defied everyone.

[Rory]

Turn it down.

[Julian]

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[Rory]

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[Mal]

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[Rory]

Peter's Christmas Day rated R under 701990 minute without Parrot MO. Are you familiar with this? Business Insider put out an article yesterday with the title How Rich Musicians Build American Taxpayers for Luxury Hotels, Shopping Sprees and Million Dollar Bonuses.

[Mal]

They was running the ppp.

[Rory]

Yes and no. Which is crazy because Peach brought this article to my attention and at the exact same time the SB SBA loan had emailed me three times. Today they're on my ass about the tiny amount of money that I took out. Meanwhile, LIL Wayne got $9 million and it was setting it to mysterious women. That's the line item.

[Mal]

So this is. This is his where Wayne spent his money At.

[Rory]

So. So essentially, just to give a quick background, Business Insider highlighted artists like Wayne, Chris Brown, Alison Chains. Was it DJ Marshmello when Covid hit? You know, all of them have their own separate businesses that are just for touring, which made them eligible for these SBA loans because, you know, they weren't bringing in any tour capital. Even though Wayne had sold his catalog that year for $100 million on a separate account, he still was eligible to get this loan to pay his staff for touring because no one could make money. Now they've kind of thrifted through some of their tax returns and what they did with their money and put Trump.

[Mal]

Pardon? Wayne.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mal]

Oh, shit, I forgot about that.

[Rory]

Trump also gave all these artists this money, by the way.

[Peach]

Yeah. Wayne's grant. Wayne's Grant was worth 8.9 million in pandemic relief in the pandemic relief program. So two years of spending with that money.

[Rory]

So obviously, even now, like, as someone. I took out an SBA loan just recently. You started to have to pay stuff back. Like, they had to sift through everything coming out of 2020 and 2021. Most of us were hoping that Biden was going to clear this entire shit out. He had talked about it. It didn't happen. Also, I know there's a million reasons that we have. Inflation.

[Peach]

Wait.

[Rory]

But let's not pretend like all these SBA loans isn't a huge reason for it.

[Mal]

They broke down Wayne's shopping spree. He bought a $300 Balenciaga belt. Like, they know that.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah.

[Peach]

It's itemized. He spent $8,626 at a shopping trip at Dover Street Market in 2022.

[Mal]

Now, I'm pretty sure Wayne can cover $8,000 for shopping.

[Peach]

Yeah, but it's not that. It's the money that he used.

[Rory]

The government, for example, he had owed Tez. Friend of the show, shout out to Tez. He had owed Tez. Can you make it a little bigger? Because my eyes.

[Peach]

2.14 million.

[Rory]

He had owed 2.41 million to his ex manager, Cortez Bryant. And he's taking money that should be spent on whatever touring costs, I. E. Some of his staff or expenses. And he's taking that money and then paying out other people. That should be for his other LLCs, his other corporations.

[Mal]

Got you.

[Rory]

So Business Insider is going through this, explaining that a lot of these artists may be arrested for fraud because this is. This is you're taking a loan out and using the money for something. You said you weren't going to do right. Like Chris Brown took it out and in some cases it looked like he was doing work. He took a tour bus down to Tulum to do a video with Jack Harlow. But he was there for a whole month with his entire staff and stayed in like this resort village.

[Peach]

Yeah, the part of the Grant. He was $24,000 for the cost of driving his bus from the States to Tulum back in the fall for a month long stay with him and his entourage in a resort town where he did not perform. And then he shot a video and then that was it. But it was a month.

[Rory]

Wayne, who again got this 9 million once things started to open up. He was getting offers to even do shows. One being in Coachella and then reach out to Coachella and said, we can't fly there. The winds are crazy. Coachella saw that four planes that just went on the exact same route at the exact same time. So he is able to make money and is not doing that. But still taking a loan.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

Is, you know, we're not accountants, but yeah, that could be fraud.

[Mal]

Something is wrong there.

[Rory]

And there was a specific accounting firm that manages a lot of these guys, N.K. s FB, which were like the main culprits in this entire thing. They were taking out over $7 million based off just their commission with their clients. Off taxpayer money.

[Mal]

All right.

[Rory]

Which is a little crazy when mean you know, you're not paying anyone out of that company even though you're eligible for it. It was placed there so you could continue to pay the people when they can't work. But touring's odd and Peach and I were talking about this. In no way am I an expert. I'm really just speculating based off, you know, we have a separate company that's for when we do tours. A lot of touring. Even when it is at the level of say a Chris Brown, you're hiring a third party company or you have a deal with Live Nation, who's going to hire everyone. And a lot of even the employees that Live Nation hires are more contractors for that specific tour. Which means those contractors would have been eligible for a loan at that time because they cannot work. Their business is completely shut down. They're sole proprietor. Like I'm available for, for example, the SBA loan that I took out. I'm sure anyone that's been on a Live Nation tour was eligible for that. That. So that makes sense in that time for somebody that isn't really paying out anyone except whatever their split is with Live Nation to be eligible to get a loan of that magnitude. Just because you gross 9 million last year in touring doesn't mean you should get 9 million this year, especially when you're not paying it out to the people that are on the tour to keep the economy moving.

[Peach]

The biggest offense to what Rory's saying in the article here says, this report reveals how artists directed millions in taxpayer funds not towards touring crew members, but instead towards their own bank accounts, luxury purchases, and entertainment expenses, often while sitting on substantial wealth from other business ventures. So they weren't using money that they were, say, making from other business ventures like this is a. But instead, they were taking the taxpayer money to fund their already, you know.

[Mal]

Well, I do like that line. It says, one top government accountability expert says some of the spending Business Insider identified was questionable, but stopped short of saying it was fraudulent. So that's important.

[Peach]

Best quote of the article right here.

[Rory]

Yeah. At a minimum, it smells.

[Mal]

It smells.

[Rory]

I feel you, David Walker. Here's the thing. Again, not an expert. I don't know if this is fraud or this is just a problem with that entire SBA loan system. I don't know if this is essentially fraud because. Because the. Only to be eligible. I was reading in the article how they even came to the lump sum amount that they were getting. It was. It had to be just below what they made last year from that exact LLC. So if Chris Brown made $10 million in touring in 2019, he was eligible for 9 million in 2020. We're mad at Chris Brown for taking that money.

[Mal]

Oh, no, no, no, no. You can't be. This is.

[Rory]

The SBA system was fucking insane. It's. It's also part reason why we're in so much debt and so much inflation now, because they mishandled those Covid funds so much. And even in the article, after they shitted on the Artist for seven pages at the end, they said, this is pennies compared to the major corporation bailouts that happened during COVID $9 million is pennies compared to what other places got.

[Mal]

I mean, but we know that through that whole pandemic thing, we knew that a lot of that was gonna come back and hurt. And obviously, a lot of it falls on us, the taxpayers. But, I mean, I. I do like to see that they are finally addressing a lot of this as far as coming from people who are already rich and wealthy, like, okay, y'all have to pay some of this money back. Like, you can't just let this fall on the taxpayers.

[Rory]

I loved how Business Insider even just broke it down how Chris Brown spent his grant. Top item himself, 5.1 million.

[Mal]

Yeah, that stays here. That's to the crib. That's to the crib. Yeah.

[Peach]

Another line item on his list was he'd spend 80 grand for his 33rd birthday party.

[Mal]

I could see that.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Rory]

No, that sounds right for a Chris Brown birthday party, for sure. But at the time when the money was coming from an account that was from the taxpayer's money, it's a little different. Chris Brown can spend his money any way he wants, but when it comes to this loan, taxpayers.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

You didn't take a loan from a bank. You took it from the government, which is our money that we continue to pay.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

So, yeah, people are pissed. But. But. And it doesn't. I'm not shooting bail to Chris or Wayne or any of these other artists because they are adults and they're grown men and they're smart. A lot of us were fucking confused at that time. And I'm sure their accountants and business managers were like, yo, you're eligible for this money. Like, you should take it. Even my business manager, when I didn't necessarily, like, need the loan right away, but he was like, it's the lowest interest rate that has ever existed in America. You would be dumb not to take this now.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And trust me, it helped. And I did use it for business. Irs, I promise, you don't need to add me to any articles. And I'm still. I'm paying it. But every. Every single person's business manager was like, this is the lowest interest rate. You will never see this for the rest of your life. Yeah, take it.

[Mal]

But I mean, and it's not illegal. To be fair, a lot of these artists, you know, because while their name is an article and, you know, they're breaking down line items on what they spent, they did not. If their accountant and their business manager said, yo, let's take this loan, they probably was like, all right, cool. They didn't think that it was going to come back and look or smell away.

[Rory]

It's one of my favorite Dame quotes ever. How could I have tax problems? I hired an accountant, right? Like, what the fuck? I hired someone so I would not have tax problems. Now I have tax problems, Right. I didn't tell him not to pay.

[Peach]

Yeah. And this wasn't just a hip hop issue. I know we're only talking in that community, but I see Steve Aoki up there. Steve Aoki, Marshmello. Rory mentioned earlier, the Alice in Chains, which is a group, is also Named in this article.

[Rory]

Alice in Chains was the craziest one. They took one out and had a whole touring staff, one of which ended up getting cancer. And they did not use any of their loan for health to continue the health insurance for their staff. Instead they did a GoFundMe on Twitter during COVID when no one had any fucking money. And then he unfortunately ended up dying.

[Mal]

Hmm.

[Peach]

Did we want to get into the brief text exchange between Lil Wayne and the reporter from Business Insider, Catherine Long. She reached out to Wayne for comment and his response is hilarious. Ma, do you want to give us this?

[Mal]

So Katherine says hello. Dwayne, this is Katherine Long from Business Insider. Did you see my email?

[Rory]

Hold on. Can we see the time she sent that?

[Peach]

5:21.

[Rory]

5:21.

[Mal]

Okay, so an hour and 39 minutes later. No, an hour and 40 minutes later.

[Rory]

Wayne just picks up his phone, probably charging.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

In the kitchen.

[Mal]

Hey, Katherine, did you see my dick? I'm sure it's much longer and better than the email belly. And you like him Long, right, Ms. Long spoken. He's still.

[Rory]

He's still. Still in shape.

[Mal]

Spoken like the car.

[Rory]

You ain't see the entendres with the longs.

[Peach]

I think he tried to clean it up, but I think he got.

[Mal]

Not sure. Catherine says not sure what you're referring to.

[Rory]

Yes, you do.

[Mal]

Catherine, our email requested your comment related to the shuttered venue operators grant program. Apologies. This isn't Kitty Catherine. Well, you must have wrong number and wrong Dwayne. Why he started talking like he was.

[Peach]

Because he knew he up?

[Rory]

No, because you know, Mac Main took his phone and typed that.

[Mal]

Well, you must have wrong number and wrong Dwayne.

[Rory]

But that is probably how Wayne Texas. I don't know if the full sentences. I thought. What'd he say? I thought this was Kitty Cat.

[Mal]

Kitty Catherine, you said apologies. This isn't Kitty Catherine.

[Rory]

Well, let's say. Let's say you have like a long relationship with an escort or a stripper or whatever that texts you. Because we can assume Kitty Catherine might be one of those.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

Is she sending you? Hey, did you get my email?

[Mal]

No, she. Wayne knew exactly who he was talking to.

[Rory]

Okay, what if Wayne and her have like some weird role play where he's like her boss and like, first of.

[Mal]

All, she says, this is Katherine Long from Business Insider.

[Rory]

They could have some type of like weird fetish where she's like the secretary and he's the boss, but they role.

[Mal]

Play through text message.

[Rory]

Yeah, and like that is crazy. His secretary Saying like, did you see my email? And he was like, come see my dick kick.

[Mal]

Did you see my.

[Peach]

The business inside her business?

[Rory]

This is pretty much the entire synopsis to Mad Men. It's the same thing.

[Mal]

Yeah, Wayne, you got to pay that money back, though. Some text messages is cool, but the IRS want that money, that's for sure.

[Rory]

And listen, I'm not saying we should let them off the hook of anything, but I think they're the. The least criminals when it comes down to something.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

[Rory]

Standing music. It's been. Been a full music day day. Lil Baby did an interview. I assume he has an album coming out. It's been a while, probably, but he did a full sit down with Charlamagne. He also sat down with Yachty. I think he did one other podcast as well. But Charlemagne asked him today if he still had a relationship with Gunna. Are we allowed to play this clip?

[Peach]

Yeah, I think so. Let me get the actual clip.

[Mal]

What's the relationship with you and Gunner right now?

[Rory]

I don't got no relationship.

[Mal]

You know, the Internet says. The Internet says you can't. You can't make hits without Gunner. So do you think y'all ever make music again?

[Rory]

The Internet say anything?

[Damaris]

How many hits I got?

[Rory]

And we can pause here because there really wasn't much that happened in this interview. And I'm not saying that's a Charlemagne thing whatsoever. I think he asked all the right questions, but some rappers just don't care to answer questions whatsoever. But this was kind of crazy to me that we finally got an answer from Baby about his relationship with Gunner outside of Thug. I think Baby was the next person all of us were waiting to see on what he was going to do once Gunner was home and making music again, I think.

[Mal]

But didn't Baby address this kind of early, though? Didn't he tweet something early?

[Rory]

He did, but this was when everyone was still on the fence, like Meek Dirk. Like, a lot of people did an unfollowed when that shit leaked. And then Thug said something that was cryptic that made it sound like, oh, maybe Thug is still with Gunna. And this was their plan. So everyone, I think, got nervous.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

As far as, oh, are we supposed to cut this guy off or not? So I. I think it's interesting that Baby is flat out saying we don't have a relationship. Charlemagne goes on to ask another good question in this scenario, because Thug, in his plea, asked if he could still have communication with Gunnar because they work together. If Thug was in the studio With Gunna working on a song and called you and said, baby, will you come here and get on the record? Would you do it? Baby said, I don't ever see that happening. And then did a cryptic kind of way of saying, fuck, that Thug can do what he want. I'm not. I'm not fucking with Gunna. That's what I took from him. Dodging the question.

[Mal]

I mean, listen, you know, certain guys come from a certain background, and, you know, certain things are just, you know, all bets are off after that. So, I mean, I understand Baby's stance on that now as far as Thug, because, you know, obviously, you know, it's business there, like a real closer business relationship there. So it's a little different for Thug.

[Rory]

Way different. It's his artist.

[Mal]

Yeah, but I understand, you know, I understand Lil Baby's stance, and his stance is like a lot of other people's stance that come from a certain background. It's just certain things it's no coming back from. So it's no surprise to me.

[Rory]

Yeah. I'm just even shocked with Baby doing his press run that he allowed some of these questions. Like, he's not really, like, an interviewer, per se, like, they did his doc, and that was the most we ever really got from him because he's not media trained.

[Mal]

But it's not even media training, because I don't think you need media training. I just think that some people just are not comfortable with talking to, you know, somebody that's interviewing. Like, people don't want to be interviewed.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

It seems like you grilling me. And then, you know, a lot of these artists don't trust people that you try to spin what I said, and then now I'm online saying something that, you know, is out of context. So it's a lot of apprehensiveness. Looking at Gunn in this interview, his body language is very, like, you know, cold and standoffish and, like, all right, what you want to talk about? Hurry up. Ask me what you got to ask me so I can get out of here. Like, he don't really want to. I mean, he definitely didn't want to sit there and talk about Gunnar. Yeah. But I just think that it's interesting because Lil Baby has been. He's been, you know, a star for some years now. You would think that he would be a little more comfortable in interviews and having conversations with, you know, certain media personalities.

[Rory]

But he came up in the era, like, of course, it's still important to make your rounds and sit with people and do interviews. But a lot of people from his generation can talk directly to their fans through social media. They're not forced to have to go through outlets to reach people. So they don't. It's not even media training. They just don't even get the practice where when you're on album five, you've been doing this non stop so you know how to at least fake it and get through the press run days. He doesn't. He hasn't done much because he hasn't necessarily needed it. Do I think it could help if he did more of it? Of course. But yeah, it's not a necessity. I think his generation doesn't view it as a necessity to have to sit with everyone and really answer all these fucking questions. Like if I don't fuck with Gun, I don't fuck with Gunna. It's not. I'll rap about it.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I don't need to sit with you guys to do it. So. I'm actually even shocked. He had as candid as possible an interview with Charlemagne and Yachty as well. I thought the Yachty conversation was. Was a bit better just because they're friends. But I don't know, maybe I was a little bit more shocked than most people today that he actually answered that question.

[Mal]

I'm not. I think he probably was tired of, you know, seeing it probably in his mentions and things like that. So just addressed it and you know, now nobody gotta ask me. I answered it. Y'all know what it is. Nobody asked me about it.

[Rory]

Just gonna ask an open ended question because admittedly I'm not like the Lil Baby and gonna fan that like idolizes them and their music just because of. I think it's an age difference. But, but we talked about with the Drake battle like damn. For me it hurts that I'll never get a Drake and Rick Ross song again like that. That sucks for me. For these kids never getting a L Baby and Gunnar record again I think is big news.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But for that generation they are an iconic duo. Rightfully so. Yeah.

[Mal]

But I think they kind of knew.

[Rory]

That they music together. Yeah. But I think it stings a little bit more when you there was hope before because we didn't really know what was going on with the case. Now it's set in stone that two people that have made great music together damn near like helped make each other's careers. Like it almost seemed like Lil Baby and Gunna were a group at one.

[Peach]

Time and they have a whole tape together.

[Rory]

That's crazy to think that we Will never get music from these two again.

[Mal]

Yeah. I mean, listen, I get it. You know, make good music. But, you know, you talking about somebody like Lil Baby, it's just certain things that I knew what it was. I was like, bro, he's not. He can't do that. Goes against everything that, you know, he stands for and that he.

[Peach]

He.

[Rory]

He's.

[Mal]

He's built upon. So it's not a surprise to me. And then didn't Thug tweet something when he came home? Didn't he tweet something alluding to, like, it was. He wasn't fucking with Gunna Lake.

[Rory]

That. That was, I think, photoshopped. Cause it said like, this tweet was deleted. And no one could really confirm if that tweet was actually deleted. Or somebody photoshopped that tweet and put tweet was deleted.

[Mal]

I felt like his father went online and says, I don't know. It was just a lot going around around that time when. When Thug was released.

[Peach]

But here it is gonna stop acting like we friends on the Internet. I don't know. You my guy.

[Damaris]

I.

[Peach]

That's clearly not real. Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah. I don't. I don't think that that made rounds like it was. I don't think that was.

[Peach]

We know that to be false because of how things ended up. He's gonna work with Gna.

[Mal]

Like, no, He. He has to be around him. That's his hardest.

[Rory]

I think Thug and Gunna are gonna work together again. But they have. I mean, they have.

[Mal]

They have to be in contact with each other, though. They have to be.

[Peach]

Is.

[Mal]

That's his artist.

[Rory]

Yeah. Even if they don't even have direct communication, it'd be hard to prove that he wasn't violating his parole. If you see both their signatures.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Together or any type of business interactions like that, it would be impossible. So I don't really foresee that happening. But, I mean, Gun has been making great music since he's been out, so.

[Mal]

He'S been making really good music.

[Rory]

I. I think babies do up. I feel like it's been. Not quiet for him at all. But it's been.

[Damaris]

It's okay to say it's been quiet.

[Rory]

When he say that.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

It sounds like you're saying it's over for Baby. He took some time off, which is fine.

[Mal]

Yeah. I'm not. I'm never mad at Artist taking time.

[Rory]

Off, but he has to prove something on this next one.

[Mal]

But, oh, yeah, he has something to prove for sure. Because he. I mean, he hears it. People saying he fell off and, you know, it's quiet for him and things like that.

[Peach]

His last single was November.

[Mal]

Yeah, it just came out.

[Rory]

So we'll probably get an album from him first quarter then if he's doing press now. And as a single out November, I think so I doubt on this side of the year because he only has, what, like, one Friday left?

[Mal]

Yeah. Nah, I don't think he's dropping on this shit. Top of the year, first quarter.

[Rory]

They'll do a real proper rollout. I can't say some surprise album would wear baby's that in his career right now. Again, staying on music. But more gossip that. Not to say I don't care, but I just. I just find it, like, weird of the things that are like TMZ headlines. Chance the rapper and his wife had filed divorce after five years of marriage. I get that. Chance has mentioned his wife in a lot of his music. One of his albums. The theme was he loved his wife so much, and that was a big thing. He's put her on IG before, but they were never like this social couple that, like, was out here that we even deserve to know that they filed for divorce. That's where. I guess I find it weird. I understand the couples that call paparazzis and are seen out every fucking day like that. It's a thing. They were relatively private with what they had.

[Mal]

Very private.

[Rory]

So I don't.

[Mal]

I.

[Rory]

Which it just felt weird to me with TMZ doing that and then the whole timeline talking about Chance and his wife. Wife filing divorce and then him catching a dub.

[Peach]

Yeah, that was the video that kind of. Ever since this came out, people were just like, the clock's on.

[Rory]

Okay, well.

[Peach]

Which I'm sure this had nothing.

[Rory]

No, with them, it added some context because I read the TMZ article because I'm a hypocrite. They had been separated for quite some time. She just filed for divorce that day. They had not been together. So if you're separated, you can't catch a dub at carnival.

[Damaris]

I mean, you can, but I don't want nobody thinking you connected to me.

[Mal]

Yeah, but it's a. You're right. It's like we could be separated, but you still can't be.

[Rory]

Have some coos.

[Mal]

Yeah. Like, you gotta be, you know, don't make, you know, your partner look stupid. Like, we're not together, but we do have a family. Like, we're family forever. So it's like, you know, don't make me look crazy. You out here at carnival, you just Know what it looks like, you know, what that. You know, what that says, the message behind that. So it's just, you know, it. It looks away, that's all.

[Rory]

Well, I mean, I hope this is something they both want.

[Mal]

And yeah, man, as long as they have feed and the kids are, you know, obviously well taken care of and safe and loved. I mean, who cares if they're together? Not as long as the, you know, the family is still intact and there's still respect and. And, you know, love for the. For the kids.

[Rory]

But what's up? Why it really was news on, like, the music timeline. Kind of back to our scissor conversation of fans that hate your music when you're in love. I saw people celebrating the ones that hated his last album. That was about his wife. They're like, finally, we'll get back to Chance music because he's not fully in love and married, which is up because he has, like two kids and divorce as hell. It's like, it's awful to be like, oh, thank God he. He's divorced.

[Peach]

Thank God he's going through it.

[Rory]

Yeah, thank God his kids will be in separate home.

[Mal]

It's crazy. Fans are crazy, man.

[Rory]

And even then, it's not like Chance was ever making like, super hurtful or like, single I'm these hoes type of music. He's always made positive music. Just the last album, it was about his wife.

[Mal]

Do we think that three on the hat meant three to guys like three him from his marriage?

[Rory]

Pete said, yeah, immediately.

[Mal]

He was telling us the whole time.

[Rory]

We should have told. We still didn't do it.

[Peach]

Under the. Under the bill.

[Mal]

Under the brim. Yeah, three me.

[Rory]

This sounds pessimistic, but is it impossible, especially for people that are working in entertainment, to get married that young?

[Mal]

I always think it's a bad idea to get married young because they.

[Rory]

They've been together. They were what, five years, probably six years. Something like that. Chance was young when they got married.

[Mal]

No, they was.

[Rory]

She was fresh out of college, I believe.

[Mal]

They were together more than five years.

[Rory]

I'm sorry. Married for five years. They were together longer, for sure.

[Peach]

Yeah, they were together for a long, long time.

[Rory]

Is that even, like. Is that. Is that sad for me to say that? I just don't think that's like a smart thing for this generation to be.

[Mal]

Get married.

[Rory]

To get married early if you're in a certain type of industry. I think people in the south. Yeah, you guys can go get married at 18 and you guys will be together till you're 70.

[Peach]

But a nearly 10 year relationship. Chance is only 29.

[Rory]

So. Yeah, you're literally growing up together.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's.

[Peach]

She's 29, he's a little older, but.

[Mal]

That'S tough to 10 years, especially in this. You know, it's different now as opposed to when our grandparents met and got together and got married. It's just a different world, different access, things like that.

[Rory]

But then how, like, if you love someone and, you know, this is the person I want to spend the rest of my life with, how do you also make that make sense in your brain not to marry them at that time? And like, what woman that also feels that way is going to be comfortable with like, yeah, no, we're 20 and we both know we're gonna stay together forever. But I'm fine with you marrying me in 10 years.

[Mal]

Now I'm on the side of it. If we have a child very young, then I think I'm all on the side of, listen, make the family a real union and make it whole, you know, give your wife that, that Social Security. Well, yeah, taxes as well. But yeah, I'm on the side of that. But it's just, it's tough, man, because you, you still growing up, you're still learning yourself, you still evolving at, you know, 28, 29 years old. So to say, you know, put marriage and a home on top of that. And even though, you know, Wild Chance is successful and has money and can afford, you know, a different lifestyle and, you know, it's still like he's still growing up, he's still, you know, becoming a man and he's doing it in real time and learning in real time how to be a father, be an artist and be a supportive husband and things like that. It's a lot on somebody that's still essentially learning who they are as a person. So I mean, I understand it on one hand, but it's like if you could not be married in your 20s and evolve and learn who you are, I would say just hold out. But. But at the same time, if you have a kid young and you want to make your family official and things like that, then I totally understand that as well.

[Rory]

Yeah. And to be clear, I'm also not saying for someone that is young and works in the entertainment space based off access to other women, because not everyone is a cheating piece of shit.

[Mal]

Yeah, it's not even about that.

[Rory]

It's just you don't have a real structure at all. Your life is kind of all over the fucking place. There's not anything really set in stone. It's not like you have a specific salary that you know you're gonna make. Make every single year. You go to work, you come home. Marriage and being a parent really comes from structure is the best way to handle that. And when you're a young entertainer, I don't, I don't know how you would even handle that type of between tour making music.

[Mal]

Like you haven't.

[Rory]

Not even knowing where the next check is necessarily going to come from. And there's so much uncertainty. Like you have to constantly be focusing on that part of your career and, and that's tough for a young kid. And again, I don't know if that was the case with Chance at all, but, you know, speculating. Yeah, but I mean, prayers, everyone involved. Hopefully, hopefully they're both happy about it and ecstatic.

[Mal]

And because that happens, people get divorced and are very happy and still very cordial and you know, still do a great job at co parenting and raising their kids. So, you know, I don't, I don't tox. I mean, Chance doesn't, doesn't strike me as a toxic individual. No, I don't know know, you know, what the situation is with his, with his, his ex wife. But I think that, you know, it'll be a healthy, a healthy co parenting thing.

[Rory]

Yeah. Louis CK Said never say you feel bad for someone that got divorced because no good marriage ever ended in divorce. And they're both thrilled.

[Mal]

That's a fact. Put that in the museum unless you're.

[Rory]

The guy and you have to give up half your assets.

[Mal]

But yeah, they did say the details of, you know, what she's asking for were not disclosed yet. So you know, once that his three hat collection. Oh my God. It was her idea. She designed it. You know, that's coming in her favorite number.

[Peach]

That's her angel.

[Mal]

Her favorite number. You know, that's her nickname.

[Rory]

I've definitely. We've seen that in the past with some divorce of like women with whether actors or musicians that they were like the muse and like they deserve.

[Mal]

Oh yeah.

[Peach]

Didn't everybody?

[Rory]

I was the inspiration. She said she A and R'd my beautiful dark Swiss advantage. He.

[Mal]

I believe her.

[Rory]

She might be right.

[Mal]

Yeah, I believe her.

[Rory]

She. It was confirmed that when they were making Monster, she did say, there's this girl Nicki Minaj that you should get on this. So I don't know if that's like a full A R credit, but I believe her. You was, you know, it changed the.

[Mal]

Record, changed the album.

[Rory]

One of the best Verses that's ever existed.

[Mal]

Exactly.

[Rory]

What else you think Amber Aard on there, her own disc record, Blame Game. Probably think she was feeding Chris Rock those lines.

[Mal]

I mean, I just think it'd be funny if it comes out that if Kanye be like, nah, she really did. I think people owe Amber an apology. Like, sure. It sounds.

[Rory]

Women make the best A R's.

[Mal]

It sounds crazy because you don't look at Amber like, oh, she's somebody that knows about music. It's like, you know, as long as she went in there and she said, no, you should do this. And then they actually did it and the album came what it is.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Did she not A and R the. No.

[Rory]

Well, there's more to being ANR than just making a suggestion.

[Mal]

Of course. I'm saying throughout the entire process, if she's there with Kanye, I feel like.

[Rory]

If she cleared a sample, then I'll give her that.

[Mal]

She didn't clear sample. I can promise you she didn't do that. I could promise you Amber didn't clear.

[Rory]

A sample because then. Because I feel like we're giving the listeners this false impression of what ANRs are because everyone on Twitter thinks they can be an R. An A R. Because they like, like, they like two chains before he pops. They're like, yeah. I mean, like, that's all A and RS do is just find people.

[Mal]

Well, I mean, LeBron can be a and R, so can you.

[Rory]

He. Well, he's literally. He literally is an ar. He's taking time off with the Lakers to go back.

[Mal]

Oh, that's what he's doing. He's working on it. Yeah, the deluxe. You think he's working Deluxe?

[Rory]

Deluxe.

[Mal]

He worked on Lana.

[Rory]

You think? He definitely worked on Lana. He was. He called Ben Stiller. That's a fact. He saw him courtside at a Lakers game, was like, yo, I got this Lana project.

[Peach]

This album's too good. Good.

[Mal]

He's speculating that Braun. I think they saying that Savannah might have found the burner phone.

[Rory]

Oh, please.

[Mal]

All kind of. I just think that he wants out of la.

[Peach]

It's not a surprise. That's not that he's done. He sad ass team came back and.

[Mal]

Like had like nine dunks. He went.

[Rory]

Got more. Yeah.

[Mal]

Oh, he came back. He played.

[Rory]

You guys are the.

[Mal]

Oh, okay.

[Rory]

I didn't know the more basketball guys than me, but I saw that headline and then I saw him playing like the next day and was like, is this a a rerun?

[Mal]

Like, he had to go to Germany and get that plasma. Get that Plasma ingested it and they turned TV off. Yeah, they had to get, get the plasma in the knees, man. Get some more air in those knees.

[Rory]

That's, that's so up of all the speculations. When he said that, they were like, oh, he diddy Jay z. Now it's LeBron. It's clear now.

[Peach]

People.

[Mal]

People are crazy, man. People are absolutely crazy.

[Rory]

Well, I guess I'm glad he's back and hopefully we'll have new music like soon now that he took a weekend off.

[Mal]

Lakers stink.

[Rory]

Well, look what you guys did with your 55th pick. Could have drafted 55th pick. Could have drafted better.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's what, that's what got us up.

[Peach]

Put up 30. He had a big night the other night. Ronnie put up 30.

[Rory]

Yeah, with the Lakers.

[Peach]

Hell no.

[Rory]

That's what I was like. Don't tell me that until you get there with the Lakers.

[Mal]

That would have been on every. Are you kidding me?

[Rory]

I mean, I mean, you know, 30 in the Chile is not bad. Like, that's crazy easy. Yeah, I just don't think, you know, he's ready to be the 55th pick, but other than that. Any sports updates before we get to voicemails? Christmas is coming. Waiting for those numbers we didn't talk about.

[Mal]

The Yankees lost Juan Soto.

[Rory]

I mean, do, do we need to.

[Mal]

I mean, I thought they was going to keep him, but he was asking for a lot. He was stretching it. Pause.

[Rory]

We'll be all right. Yeah, but we got Cody Bellinger. That was a good pickup. And then Page Six threw in some little gossip that had me a little worried.

[Mal]

Important gossip, though. Sometimes gossip is important. You need that.

[Rory]

We're still talking sports. Yeah, we're talking about locker room chemistry right now. We're not even trying to be gossip. This is still man sports that we're talking about.

[Peach]

Take your clubhouse, by the way.

[Rory]

So Cody Bellinger, I did not know about his wife because I particularly do not give a. Her name is Chase Carter. She's a model, apparently. Allegedly she dated Stanton before marrying Cody Bellinger. Yeah, now we don't know what. What dating really means. Like maybe he just beat one night. Or if, like they were in a real relationship.

[Peach]

Well, here's some.

[Rory]

It's just going to get messy. This might be worse than Jeter and.

[Peach]

A. Rod Carter, who married Cody last December, has two daughters with him. She had a two year fling from 2018 and 2019 with Stanton. That's pretty. These are years are bumping on each other.

[Rory]

Yeah, there's. There's definitely some overlap there's some overlap.

[Mal]

Stan probably still has some cleats in the garage.

[Peach]

I'm imagining that she had to break it off with Stanton because she got pregnant.

[Rory]

I didn't want to go there, but I was going to bring up maybe there was some. Some type of conversation with this overlap on whose kid was who.

[Mal]

But wait, why you say that?

[Peach]

Well, look at the dates here.

[Rory]

Yeah, they, they. They line up perfectly down to the nine months.

[Mal]

How did. What dates?

[Peach]

In December.

[Damaris]

No.

[Peach]

Oh, my bad.

[Mal]

Yeah. Look at you. You're math.

[Peach]

Yeah, I'm seeing the 2019 MVP.

[Mal]

Yeah, exactly.

[Damaris]

She married him last December, which means that they've been together.

[Peach]

It still doesn't necessarily.

[Mal]

Nah, the theory is wrong. You can say it.

[Rory]

Well, when did they have the two daughters?

[Peach]

Well, the.

[Rory]

Yeah, well, she has two daughters with someone else.

[Peach]

How old are the daughters? That's what matters.

[Damaris]

Has two daughters with Bellinger. I don't know.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Peach]

That's what matters.

[Rory]

They just got married. But if there's two daughters, that's. That could be four, five years. There could be some overlap. That's all I'm saying.

[Mal]

Either way, I don't think this is.

[Rory]

That big a deal.

[Mal]

That locker room is going to be very interesting.

[Peach]

She's hot.

[Rory]

Is it that weird, though?

[Mal]

Yes. What are you talking about? Yes, it's weird.

[Peach]

That is weird.

[Mal]

It's weird. If you come in here with a girl that I dated, let alone we play for a team and we travel. We in hotels and gotta practice and play games together.

[Damaris]

But she's like, married with two kids now.

[Mal]

It's still. I understand. It's not like. But it's still like, yo, my ex is like your wife. Like, you have a family. It's weird. In any. It's all. Not say weird. One would put weird on it. It's a little uncomfortable. It's a little uncomfortable. A little awkward. Little awkward air in the locker room. So it's kind of one of those. If Cody walks in while the whole team is there and Stan is there and they all talk, Cody walks in, everybody's quiet. It's like that type of like, oh, shit. Like, are they gonna. They gonna have words? Is he gonna shake his hands? He's gonna say what's up to him? Like, it's like that. Until Cody is cool and be like, yo, we ain't gotta be weird or awkward, bro. Like, I know y'all dated. Like, it's cool.

[Peach]

Well, one of their kids was born in 2021.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

Okay. So there's no real overlap.

[Peach]

There's two kids.

[Mal]

So the one that the other kids could have been born.

[Peach]

Could have been born after or before that.

[Damaris]

It's like you're trying.

[Peach]

Not four years. It's a story.

[Rory]

I think there's more of a mess in, like, I'm not just gonna put it on the NBA, but in locker rooms where it's more so crossover with hoes and like, IG chicks that they actually like but pretend they don't like. And you find out that guy also than it is with this.

[Peach]

Like, yeah, she's married.

[Rory]

Like, if they. If they had. If they dated for two years and he didn't do no like, foul to her or anything. They dated for two years and then she moved on and I met her. Like, my wife wouldn't have dated someone before me.

[Peach]

The only weird part is now that they just share a locker room.

[Rory]

I think this is a way less awkward situation than some of the messy crossover dating that happens when you're not in a relationship.

[Peach]

Baby look like Amara.

[Mal]

Listen, I've been. I've been in close proximity to athletes, like, becoming teammates. That one of them dated the. The other one's current wife. Like, it is an awkward thing.

[Damaris]

Were they white? And this is important.

[Mal]

No, the reason.

[Damaris]

Because. The reason why I say that is because I always, like, with my white friends, they never seem to care. They don't care about stuff like that at all.

[Rory]

Like, would you consider me a white friend?

[Damaris]

No.

[Peach]

No.

[Rory]

So I'm just a white.

[Damaris]

Like, and honestly, you don't really care like that either. Like, I just. I feel like. Like they just.

[Rory]

Oh, I wouldn't care.

[Damaris]

Sex is not as important to them. Yeah, like, oh, you guys were dating. Like, they move on fast.

[Rory]

I care about. But to say I would think it was nuts if my wife that I have two kids with dated someone before. Like, not no crazy, wild out smut that you was running through a locker room. You dated a guy for two years and it didn't work out. Like, that's life. But I wouldn't care about that. But she was getting, like, smutted out by the whole infields. Yes. This white friend cares what mall.

[Damaris]

I think Ma's point is that they have to kind of be like, bros now. Like, we understand teammates.

[Mal]

We're teammates. Literally teammates. Like, we have to have this bond and this chemistry with each other. That's the way successful teams happen. We have to like each other to a certain extent. We have to have each other's back on the field. You know what I'm saying? Like, we Gotta like. It's.

[Rory]

I think it's gonna be more awkward.

[Damaris]

I think it's gonna be more awkward for her.

[Rory]

Yep.

[Damaris]

I was gonna say, I think it's gonna be more awkward for her up in the. The new, like, family and friends section with. Cause Stanton probably has a new girl. Cause baseball players don't stay single for long.

[Rory]

He's only focused on the game.

[Damaris]

It's all. It's the wi.

[Mal]

It's definitely awkward for the women.

[Damaris]

That's not true.

[Mal]

I've seen it. I'm telling you. They get along. Women, they don't listen when it's millions involved women get along. They had called you, it'd be the niggas in the locker room fake staring at each other. Like, I'm saying, for her, she comes.

[Rory]

In the locker room with her kids, whatever, that somebody she used to date for two years, too. So there's. There's actually something somewhat. Was there. You guys knew each other for two years.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

That could be a little awkward of how to handle it and not make sure your partner feels awkward.

[Mal]

That's what I'm saying. It's gonna be awkward. It's just gonna be a little awkward.

[Rory]

I think for her and Stan, it's. It's way more awkward than it. It is for him, I don't think.

[Mal]

Because what if her and Stan broke? Like, what if they. They should end it on some, like, you know, they don't like each other. It's not awkward at that point if you don't like the person. Like, you can't stomach seeing them. Like, yo, this piece of. It's not awkward for you. You rather just not even see the person. Like, yo, he's a P. I don't even want to be around him. That's not awkward. Awkward is in when it's like, damn, we was cool. We kind of, like, ghosted each other. And then now you pop up and you're married to my teammate. That's when it becomes awkward because it's like, damn, we didn't even write.

[Rory]

That's awkward, though. That's when it's awkward, this situation. I don't think.

[Mal]

You don't know if they ended her. Stan ended on stage.

[Rory]

No, I'm talking about the ghosting. And then you popped up married with my teammate. He just got traded there. They've been married for a while. They have two kids. There's been mad doc.

[Mal]

Yeah, but what if her and Stan didn't end on some toxic shit? What if they still feel.

[Rory]

You know, first of all, I Don't think the Steinburners would ever bring someone on the roster that would do something like that. I think Stan is an upstanding citizen and it ended amicably and respectfully. And they're probably still friends.

[Mal]

Yeah, no, they're not still friends. Dang Cool.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah. If it ended weird, that would be awkward. And then my. My toxic brain would be like, all right, why you still feel away about.

[Mal]

Him as the current husband?

[Rory]

Like, if you hate him so much, you still disdain him.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I don't trust. If you hate your ex, I don't trust you.

[Rory]

But to me, that's more self sabotage. Like, I probably shouldn't feel that way because if he did something foul, like, and again, we're not talking about anything like sexual assaulter. Leave that out of here. Just foul. Like he was a piece of shit. Like, cheated, whatever he is.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

If we've been married for this long, we got two kids, and you're still fuming over your ex in my locker room, my self sabotage brain is gonna have a problem with my wife. Like, why. Why are you still so. Like, you've moved on. This is. Of course you were mad at the time. I would never be. That makes total sense. But we've been together for this long. We got kids and shit. What the fuck that is triggering you?

[Mal]

Would you hire a new engineer? And if he walked in here with one of your exes and that was his wife and he has two kids, would you still, like, give him a job?

[Rory]

Wait, hold on. Give me the scenario.

[Mal]

So if so, we need a new engineer.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mal]

Right? Like, damn, bro.

[Rory]

Can we just use peach like in the scenario?

[Peach]

Okay, so.

[Mal]

So y way. It's way more fun, but it's nobody. You don't know. You don't know him. You don't know him. You know of him, you know of him. You've seen some of his work. He's worked on other shows. Like, nah, this dude is dope. Like, you know, and it's like, yo, we gonna interview him. He's coming in, come in, interview great guy. We like, yeah, man. Nah, we. We gonna hire him. Like, then like fucking holiday time come around. He walks in the door. He's married to a girl. Like your ex. Your ex girlfriend you dated. Dated for two years. They're now, like, married with two kids. Does he still keep the job?

[Rory]

100. I. I'd feel awkward and would want to know how to handle that.

[Mal]

I ain't j. I'm not Jazz in a mature way.

[Damaris]

You can't fire Him.

[Rory]

There's also, I wouldn't know.

[Peach]

Jobs for, like, the women hang out. Like, in baseball. She's gonna be at the stadium. She'll be with the team. Like, she's gonna be there. The kids will be there.

[Mal]

But he doesn't have to see her.

[Peach]

Though, which I'm saying that's worse when, like, the kids and the women are involved. If he hires someone here. Here, you're not going to see her ever. She not pulling up. There's going to be him.

[Rory]

Why would I. Why would I fire the engineer?

[Mal]

I don't think you hire somebody that might be tender.

[Damaris]

You think you tender? You.

[Mal]

Are you trying to go viral? Let's do it.

[Damaris]

So you think me calling you Tinder is not going to go viral?

[Mal]

You think I'm tender? Why you. I'm asking a question. I'm. I'm asking him because he's saying, like, it wouldn't be awkward. And I'm. I'm on the side of. I think it would be awkward.

[Rory]

No, it would be awkward, but it wouldn't.

[Mal]

Huh? Of course it'll be awkward.

[Rory]

I would feel awkward because I would want to handle it to not make it awkward. Like, they're married. This is.

[Mal]

I don't think there's no way to make it not awkward.

[Rory]

It's not like they're just.

[Mal]

Why y'all just saying.

[Rory]

I was. Why?

[Mal]

Nobody want to disagree with that. It's. It's always going to be awkward if a dude is married to your ex girlfriend.

[Rory]

No.

[Mal]

And y'all work together. That's all. What are you talking about?

[Rory]

I think you can get over that if you don't care about that woman.

[Mal]

I'm not saying you can get over it. You can be over it, but it's always going to be an awkward.

[Rory]

Him, like.

[Mal]

No, I'm just asking, what would you do? Like, would you hire him?

[Rory]

Does he know that we used to date?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Oh. Then I'd have that conversation with him to let him know, like, yo, all good. Just want to. If there was any tension in the.

[Damaris]

Air, like, please don't have that. That's.

[Rory]

I would think about this before I just got asked this question.

[Mal]

Awkward. It's always going to be awkward. Like, we got to agree to that. No matter what. It's always going to be if.

[Rory]

Nah, I think if you don't.

[Mal]

Even if she does, Even if she's not around a lot, anytime she does come in here for the engineer because they got to go somewhere, like, after he gets over, go to dinner, she meets him at the studio.

[Damaris]

What if they cool and they friends? What if she's friends with her ex? Like, they were who? They were always friends with Rory. No, I'm talking about with this situation. But, yeah, with Rory. Like, she's cool. They were cool. New boyfriend come in. But y'all were already cool. I don't think that that's awkward.

[Rory]

Like, yeah, I don't think it's.

[Damaris]

We broke up. We ended it. Whatever. You knew. I got, like, she probably.

[Mal]

So you saying if Stanton and Bellinger, like, cool.

[Damaris]

No, if she. If she's cool with Stanton, she's cool with Stanton. She was always cool with him. Like, they broke up, but they're still, like, cool. She went. Got married. He knows she's met. Like, there's no way he. This dude came onto the team. He was like, oh, he's married to my ex. No, he knew they were married. He knew they've been together, knew the kids. Like, they're probably cool. That's why I'm like, it's probably not a even a thing. I think we're.

[Mal]

See like, how you said earlier. I'm on the opposite side of that. You said, if your ex is still, like, fuming and furious about his ex, you, like, nah, he must still got some feelings. I'm the opposite. If y'all still cool, I feel like there's room for, like, flirtatious to happen.

[Rory]

Okay, well, cool doesn't necessarily mean they, like, hang out and go on friends dates or t. Like, they're just like, if. If they happen to run into each other, it would be.

[Mal]

Oh, no, that's. That's just being grown. That's adult.

[Rory]

But to me, that's cool with an ex. Like, if you see the them as love but not like, your text buddies. And, like, you guys go out, she still follows him.

[Damaris]

You're not jacking that lame. My ex. That I'm cool. I'm just gonna unfollow you. What the Is the point why I'm doing that? That's pressed, bro. If you unfollowing somebody. If you. If every time somebody.

[Mal]

But women do it, though, you see somebody.

[Damaris]

Yeah, because they're bothered. You see somebody, like, and they ignite a passion in you. Like, you just so mad. You so mad. They still have control over your. I don't want nobody having control over my man emotions but me. When you see her, it should be a, yo, what up, yo? It's nice to see you. Good. Ah, that's it. Like. Or if y'all cool, y'all Cool. If y'all have a friendship. Y'all have a friendship. But somebody getting you so upset and you shaking with rage every time you see them, or you triggered that you haven't healed from them and that I'm good on.

[Rory]

Cause I feel like you've probably been in the situation where a girl you've dated that ended okay, but she went on and got a boyfriend post or whatever. You end up unfollowed or blocked. You like, what the.

[Mal]

That's definitely happened to me.

[Rory]

And you probably was like, that's weird.

[Damaris]

You've come on here and said that I was lame and weird, so.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

No, I agree. I'm not disagreeing with you.

[Rory]

So it works on both sides. Like, if she still follows her exes. I don't. I think it's weirder if you have to go unfollow all of them when we get together.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like now it's like, why. Why do you need to do that? Is temptation that crazy that you can't even see their photo?

[Mal]

Yeah, I get it. Either way, it's going to be a little awkward. Awkward at the stadium this. This coming season.

[Rory]

What if. What if the engineer told me that, you know, he had to go out after we record to see his wife and kids, whatever, pick them up, and then I just all of a sudden was like, yo, I want to do two episodes today.

[Mal]

Answer that your plan.

[Rory]

All right, cool. I'll make sure we leave here two hours after that.

[Mal]

That's up.

[Rory]

And then text her like, damn, your man doesn't put you over his work.

[Mal]

Yeah. Now, Rory def. Rory definitely do some, like. Yo, tell him to be at the office early tomorrow. All right. Tell.

[Rory]

I would. Oh, my God.

[Mal]

I can see it. It's in you.

[Rory]

I wouldn't. It's not in me.

[Mal]

Yes, it is, man.

[Rory]

I actually wish I had more of that in me. I don't have that in me to.

[Mal]

Be like, yo, tell them I said, yeah, I don't. You can't do that.

[Rory]

I'm. No, I just. I wish I had that type.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's nasty. You can't do.

[Rory]

I'm just not that person.

[Mal]

Julian, we got voicemails.

[Peach]

Yeah, you've got mail.

[Mal]

Why you smiling, man? I hate when you smile. Don't smile at me.

[Peach]

I can't smile. What the. No, I just found out something really funny about Stanton.

[Mal]

Oh.

[Peach]

I think we're Eskimos.

[Mal]

Oh, my God.

[Peach]

Yeah. There's such a random person that he follows. It's very funny to me. All right.

[Rory]

Hey, guys. What's up.

[Mal]

So I had a question about how.

[Damaris]

To maneuver after this situation.

[Rory]

So I became friends with this girl back in June and became like super close friends, you know, went over to each other's houses, accompanying each other everywhere, gym, everything, whole nine yards. And for my birthday back in November, we were supposed to go see a concert and it was supposed to be me for context. I'm 27, she's 33.

[Damaris]

And so it was her, me, her.

[Rory]

Son who's like 13, and my little sister who's 17. Fast forward to that week of the concert, my birthday. She says, hey, can you take me.

[Mal]

To LAX after the concert?

[Rory]

Keep in mind, the concert was in.

[Damaris]

Anaheim, so it's very different locations.

[Rory]

Never said yes because she put me on the spot. Then I changed my mind. She got mad and she was like, well can you at least take my son to the concert? And I said I don't feel comfortable with that responsibility. And she got mad. So she was said it was messed up.

[Damaris]

So unfollow me on social media and.

[Rory]

Like isn't talking to me anymore.

[Damaris]

So I see her at church every.

[Rory]

Now and then I see her sisters at church. So like what am I supposed to do?

[Damaris]

Yeah, I just, I don't know what to do. Like I'm done with that friendship, but.

[Rory]

What do I do moving forward in.

[Damaris]

Terms of if I see her around.

[Rory]

Or her family around. Thanks guys and thanks for everything.

[Mal]

She unfollowed you because you couldn't. You didn't feel comfortable taking her son to the concert with you and your little sister. You said you didn't want to take her to LAX from Anaheim.

[Rory]

That's deep.

[Mal]

That's a push. Yeah. She finally figured out you're not a friend. I think that's what that is. She was trying to like, yo, you don't. All right. If you, you're not comfortable taking my son to the concert so I can just go straight to the airport instead of it having to go to the airport after the concert.

[Rory]

Or I would, I would do that for a friend. I would take their son for sure.

[Damaris]

Especially cuz you were going anyway. And like the you saying a responsibility. He's 13, it ain't like he 18 or two.

[Rory]

Why, why I've been quiet and thinking is we don't really know about this 13 year old son. I'm on the side of the information we have. I would happily.

[Mal]

Yeah, what if he's a Y?

[Rory]

I would, I would, I would take.

[Mal]

What if he was wearing a sight? What concert was it? See, no we need more content.

[Rory]

That's why I was hesitating. Cuz we don't know enough about this son yet. Yeah, like this son would be nuts.

[Peach]

Taking a 13 year old rolling loud is crazy.

[Rory]

That's a lot of responsibility.

[Mal]

Is rolling loud?

[Damaris]

No, I made that up.

[Rory]

All my friends, kids, luckily I know to be. They're crazy, but they're not nuts. I would take them to a concert, but I don't know. I mean, what if this kid is. Is out of his.

[Mal]

What if he a shooter? What if you got a sheisty on?

[Rory]

She had her daughter too, right?

[Mal]

She had a little sister.

[Peach]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

Like, what if he's been rude before? And like I don't. He doesn't. She doesn't want her little sister around him. Like.

[Damaris]

Well, they were already going to the concert all together, so. That's not true, I think.

[Rory]

But that's different. If the mother is there to control her son now I'm responsible.

[Peach]

Are you paying this kid like a terrorist?

[Rory]

Because I'm.

[Mal]

Because. Because he was a terrorist. That's what.

[Peach]

Yeah. Or it's like, what if he brings matches, lights the whole place on fire?

[Rory]

I. I didn't even give a peep at the Heartbreaker tour when my mom took me.

[Mal]

Heartbreaker tour? What were you going to do at the Mariah Carey show?

[Rory]

Hope Jay Z comes out to do his Heartbreaker verse.

[Mal]

Yeah. N. I think she just realized that. All right. We're not as cool as I thought we were. We were not as close as I thought we were. You don't want to take my son to the concert that you're already going to with your little sister. You don't want to. You reneged on taking me to the airport.

[Peach]

That's far though.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but don't agree to it. And then renege. And then on top of that, after the Renegade. Because you are wrong. Reneg.

[Rory]

That's how people say it. That's why I don't. There's so many times I want to use that word because it makes sense in context and it's not that other word. But I'm not renegade.

[Peach]

It's not nigg. It's nagged.

[Mal]

No, we say nigged.

[Damaris]

Yeah, we say.

[Rory]

I've heard everyone use it.

[Damaris]

We call people.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Peach]

What's that like when you. Is that black face?

[Mal]

It's blackface. On blackface. It's like if I was you re.

[Rory]

It's. It's a black spade.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Peach]

Nice. Wait, so I'm. I'm confused. On the airport, you didn't have your.

[Rory]

Book Straight aspect on the airport situation.

[Mal]

Black spade.

[Peach]

She said she was gonna bring her and then said, psych.

[Rory]

Or that's up. And again, again, I agree this is all fucked up. I just think there's more to this story than what we've got. And she doesn't want to say that. That kid is a fucking nightmare.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Peach]

I think what's right, though, she's just not, like, willing to go to the extent of being the type of friend that this woman thought she was.

[Mal]

The type of friend. Friends go out of her way for each other. Yeah. So she's not. She didn't want to go out of her way to go from Anaheim to lax. She didn't want to go out of her way and take the responsibility of chaperoning her son at the concert. Like, so the other girl probably felt like, all right, well, then you're not really my friend. Why. Why are we speaking to each other? Why are we hanging out? Why am I following you on social media? Like, we're not as cool as I thought we were. So, I mean, I can understand that. But I would like for her to call back and let us know who was performing, what concert was it? Because if it was like, Blink182, then it's like, you know, we gotta go.

[Rory]

Can we call who's performed?

[Peach]

Well, we don't know when this.

[Rory]

It has a date on the voicemail. No.

[Peach]

Well, the call versus when it.

[Mal]

Rory wants all the. All the past concerts in Anaheim in the last two years.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Pull it up now.

[Rory]

Six days ago. I'm sure we could figure it out.

[Mal]

Who performed in Anaheim in the last two years.

[Damaris]

But she asked. She wanted to know what to do to her with her now.

[Peach]

Yeah, because she said they still go to the same church. They still. They're still going to see each other in the community.

[Rory]

Ask her why you did that and what you're feeling away about.

[Damaris]

No, she says she know why she did it. She said she was done with the friendship. She doesn't want anything to do with the friendship. So she's like, well, what do I do? Ignore her the way she's ignoring you and blocked you? She's already said, you know, she don't want you in her life, so.

[Mal]

Oh, the girl said that?

[Damaris]

Yeah. I mean, well, she blocked her on everything, so I would assume you don't want me in your life.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, but girls do that just out of, like, in, like, an impulse when they get upset. But, like, you have a conversation an hour after that, and they Realize they were stripping. Yeah, you know, manipulation.

[Mal]

I get it though, man. Listen, you know, it's over. Simple.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And now think of it this way. You don't have to have that crazy 13 year old child in your life.

[Peach]

That kid.

[Rory]

And you don't have to drive to LAX from Anaheim.

[Mal]

It's not that long of a drive.

[Damaris]

It's like 40 minutes.

[Mal]

It's the same way from driving. Probably from West Hollywood.

[Rory]

Hell no.

[Mal]

Know, sometimes depending on what time, It'll take you 45 minutes from what's happening.

[Rory]

Oh, I agree. And I'm saying from Anaheim, that shit will take you two hours.

[Mal]

I mean if it's traffic. Yeah, but typically it's like under an hour.

[Rory]

That's deep.

[Damaris]

But it's 4:28 right now. And Julian just looked it up and it said it's only 48 minutes in traffic.

[Rory]

No, cuz right now.

[Peach]

Well it's 128 there.

[Rory]

Yeah. Which is like the least traffic time. That is an hour and a half depending on what time or flight was.

[Mal]

Yeah. But after concert late at night, it wouldn't have been that much traffic.

[Rory]

Fair.

[Mal]

I was catching a red eye.

[Rory]

Fair. I mean either way, set your boundaries with your friends early. I would do anything for my friends except help them move. I pay. I would pay for the, the truck before I would help you move. I'm just not. That's one of my things.

[Peach]

I'm curious.

[Rory]

Not helping you move.

[Peach]

Do they have a friend group or was this just like a one off friend situation?

[Damaris]

I think it was just a one.

[Peach]

Off friend situation because then it's like who gets the group, who gets the mutuals? Like where does the line get drawn? If it's a birthday party, if it's a dinner party, like what?

[Rory]

Church.

[Peach]

Church breakfast.

[Rory]

After there.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Which table fold out table do you sit at?

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Have y'all ever been through that where y'all had to give up a friend group because y'all stopped being cool with one of the friends in the friend group?

[Mal]

Like, like a, like a group chat or just like the whole circle, the whole crew?

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, I guess. I guess so. There's a lot of not anything that I was like, oh, not the whole group anything but the whole group.

[Mal]

Like you was okay with it? Yeah, I stopped. I stopped talking to a bunch of people. Like I'm just like, yeah, no, I'm cool.

[Rory]

You have another voicemail.

[Peach]

Yeah, there we go.

[Damaris]

My name is Maddie, I'm from Connecticut. So I just had the weirdest experience.

[Rory]

And I just want to know if.

[Damaris]

This is some New York and also about cell phone etiquette.

[Rory]

So I randomly went to wine liquor.

[Damaris]

Store the other day and I just.

[Rory]

Wanted to run in and grab a bottle of wine.

[Damaris]

And I was on the phone with my friend, whatever D I'm on the phone with her and I get my bottle of wine.

[Rory]

Somebody comes up, ask me if I need help. I say, no, thank you. I'm still shopping around.

[Damaris]

I go to go pay, a man comes from the back of the store to interrupt the call to interrupt the the transaction. I'm having to go, oh, we asked.

[Rory]

That if you're going to interact with.

[Damaris]

Our staff, you not be on the phone. And pointed to a no cell phones thing. I get it.

[Rory]

I understand it was rude. But it's like if I was screaming.

[Damaris]

On the phone, things like that, I.

[Rory]

Was literally just on the phone with my friend.

[Damaris]

So long story short, but not really.

[Rory]

I was like, so you don't want to do the sale? And I just walked out.

[Damaris]

So because I'm petty, I left a review on Google Maps and he sent.

[Rory]

This nasty ass review back on Google reviews.

[Damaris]

And he was like, so essentially said.

[Rory]

That I yelled at him and I didn't yell at him.

[Damaris]

So now I have.

[Rory]

Well, you're yelling now. Number one, how should I plan my vengeance against this store?

[Damaris]

Number two, what is cell phone etiquette.

[Rory]

In 2024 and everybody's on the phone?

[Damaris]

And number three, should I let it go?

[Rory]

And the name of the place is Free Range Wine and spirits on Atlantic Avenue.

[Damaris]

Look them up. He's an asshole.

[Mal]

He's an asshole.

[Rory]

So this was all about to kill a small business and use our platform to do it. After you yelled at him in his face when you were on the phone.

[Mal]

He defin yelled at him.

[Rory]

The mom and Pop Small business review.

[Damaris]

He's just looking at it right now.

[Rory]

All right, while you're looking that up, I guess if it's on Atlantic, then.

[Peach]

Oh, here it is.

[Rory]

Can you read it? My eyes are too bad.

[Peach]

Yeah, I was on the phone. This is from a week ago. I was on the phone and talking to a person I was buying wine for. As I'm not a big wine drinker, I was attempting to buy a bottle of wine and I was debating getting some nips for myself at the register. Before I could order, a man came from the back of the store to point it to the no phone sign line and hold on, stop right here.

[Mal]

Since when can you not be on your phone in a wine square?

[Peach]

That's what the is that wines like.

[Mal]

I think everybody's kind of like, we reading this, acting like this is normal. I've never even heard of this before. What is that you said?

[Peach]

I don't know how my being on the phone impacted my ability to pay, so I left. Edit.

[Damaris]

Oh, that's it.

[Peach]

So here's the response.

[Rory]

Wait, what was that edit up there, though?

[Peach]

Well, you gotta, because that comes after this.

[Rory]

Gotcha. Okay.

[Mal]

Who is this? The responsible owner.

[Peach]

The owner of the store.

[Rory]

Damn.

[Mal]

Nice try, Madison. You had already selected your wine when you came to the counter. So at this point, your only reason to be on the phone was that you felt like it and couldn't be bothered to respect the humans in front of you. This is.

[Peach]

This is fuck yourself.

[Mal]

I calmly pointed at our signs. I calmly pointed out our signs asking you to not be on the phone at the counter and said that if you'd like to interact with us, we'd appreciate it if you'd get off the phone. At this, you immediately yelled at me and huffed out. Was our request really that hard for you? I'm sorry that you don't have enough respect for our little shop to follow poster signs, but it's on you if you really don't understand how rude it is to be on the phone in the face of a retail worker. We require a minimum level of common courtesy to shop here, and you failed the most basic test. Jesus Christ. We were glad to see you leave and laughed about it afterwards. If you'd like to shop here in the future, you owe an apology to our team. But given your tangent at being addressed calmly and respectfully. Respectfully. We don't expect to see you again, which certainly works for us. Good riddance.

[Peach]

Jack.

[Damaris]

Jack. This whore her ass.

[Rory]

This sounds like wine. Like organic wine, hybrid wine stores in Brooklyn. I can already see the window.

[Mal]

This is definitely a vegan wine store for sure.

[Peach]

So then she made an edit. Replying to his reply. Edit for reaction below was expecting a sassy response given the history of reactions to other reviews. Ooh, smoked. Yeah, no one yelled at you. I said, oh, so you can't do the sale? And walked in. Out. I'm curious why everyone else got a sassy, witty reply and I got a lie. They should fight.

[Rory]

Now. Listen, Jack did have a great response, but let's go to, like, the root of this entire thing. If I'm on the phone and I'm not, like, being obnoxious or screaming, don't tell me to get.

[Mal]

Bro, I've never heard about this before.

[Peach]

Look, there seems to be some evidence that supports our caller with some.

[Mal]

There's something very wrong with these gur up.

[Peach]

Well, here's another one. Annoying workers, very unpleasant experience.

[Rory]

Jack just sounds like an ass.

[Peach]

Jack. So this woman wanted cold prco and. And they said, what's wrong? Just buy this and put it in the fridge.

[Mal]

That's. You don't have a fridge.

[Rory]

I mean, I get like. I get stores having like boundaries.

[Peach]

Not happy with the vibe of this place.

[Mal]

Owner is knowledgeable. Staff are like unhappy drones.

[Peach]

I want to go here.

[Mal]

Special occasion bottles of wine to be bought here. But it's not worth the rude customer service you have to endure to get them buying alcohol. Supposed to be a fun and experience.

[Peach]

Will never be read the response from the owner. Here's Jack again, clapping back.

[Mal]

It was the height of the pandemic. I wonder why everybody wasn't super happy at the all the time. A real mystery. Thank you for. Thank you for your compassion. Jack can understand it.

[Rory]

I know, I know we're on everyone else's side, but Jack's clapbacks is all right.

[Mal]

Where's the side?

[Rory]

I'm not even mad at Jack, bro. It's on Atlantic in Brooklyn.

[Peach]

Free wine.

[Mal]

We should go.

[Peach]

Free range and wine spirits.

[Mal]

Let's go and ask for Jack.

[Rory]

It's a free range Madison section.

[Mal]

But we got to walk in there with the old school cell phones, the bricks just now.

[Rory]

Can you hear me now? Can you hear me?

[Mal]

Yo, where's Jack? They go, Jack.

[Peach]

That's Jack.

[Rory]

That's definitely 100%.

[Mal]

100%.

[Rory]

I don't know if it's illegal that we're doing this, but that's Jack.

[Mal]

That is 1 million.

[Rory]

Oh, look at that smug face.

[Peach]

Oh, that's definitely him.

[Damaris]

Oh, he's a.

[Mal]

That's Jack. He has Diesel. He has diesel sneakers on. That's.

[Damaris]

But what I will.

[Rory]

A shirt to a band he doesn't listen to. It just looks vintage.

[Damaris]

What I will say is this got a nice selection. If some. If I own a business, my rules for my business are my business. You are free to not shop. But if I have a sign up that says no cell phones because I want you to pay attention to my work. Because me personally, I don't disagree with him that it's rude to be on the phone when you're talking to retail workers. I do think that that's rude. I do. I get it that we do it all the time, but I'm not. I'm not mad at somebody for asking that.

[Rory]

You don't do that. In situations like if you're shopping for clothes and you need to tell them certain sizes or have a conversation. I agree with you. You should have some respect.

[Mal]

But if I found the bottle I want at the register, if I put.

[Rory]

A bottle down, scan, let me scan it. Here's my card. We speak.

[Peach]

I'm not gonna hang up just for you to scan this bottle and then call my person back to finish our conversation.

[Damaris]

You don't have to hang up. You could just say hold on and put the phone in your pocket and pay AirPods out of respect.

[Rory]

Like when I get in the elevator, I will make sure I'm not on the phone. That annoys me too. But if you're paying, it's not like she was on the phone and was asking him, is this from New Zealand? What year is this? Like being that annoying customer that needs so much help but also having another conversation. What do we doing here? Yeah, if you got a bottle, you put it down and give your card. What do we need to speak?

[Mal]

Listen, man, looking at, looking at these reviews, it's. It's Jack.

[Peach]

Jack.

[Mal]

It's Jack. Everybody's. This place is so rude.

[Damaris]

They have a 4.1 that's not awful.

[Peach]

But like every single one star and every single complaint has to do with their. Them, them being condescending or rude to the customers.

[Rory]

Also, the only happy people on earth during the pandemic were liquor store owners because they were making more money than anyone. Don't tell me you were unpleasant, Jack. Probably. Probably still eating off 2020, she said.

[Mal]

Stopped in about 15 minutes ago inquiring about a bottle. The guy behind the counter legit acted like I was bothering him. Blew a $200 purchase looking at some prior reviews. Apparently I'm not the only one who had this issue. He goes, this is Jack. Yeah.

[Peach]

He claps back and Harold, Harold, just.

[Mal]

As the website says that item is out of stock. We couldn't have possibly sold you a bottle we didn't have. Further, our in store system is separate from the website which is why you would that what it says about stock junior on the website is accurate, which it is showing out of stock. I'm sorry for the miscommunication, but if you prefer to hear about rare whiskeys when they arrive and have access to our rarest bottles which are not on the website. Rather than hate us forever, please feel free to sign up for our email.

[Rory]

News so you can talk to me all the time.

[Mal]

Jack, it's over.

[Rory]

And Jack sounds like a hypocrite because he wanted Respect from the woman on her cell phone. But it sounds like he's an asshole to everybody customer. Yeah, it's not like he's some go lucky happy guy that's like, oh, you know, we want to create a great environment, so get off your phone. We love the community.

[Mal]

Somebody said, avoid this place. 0 customer service will never buy there.

[Rory]

I just put my foot down recently at a coffee spot by Kia. My favorite, favorite coffee, the first coffee I ever had. I. The owner is the only guy that works there. He's. It's like an inconvenience. Every time I come in there, there's no one in there. He treats me like an asshole.

[Peach]

Horrible service, annoying and rude staff. Jack replies, we agree. You were annoying and rude. Happy holidays.

[Damaris]

I don't know, I'm kind of fucking with Jack.

[Rory]

Oh, I'm fucking with Jack. It's just he's running an awful bit.

[Mal]

Yo, we gotta go fuck with Jack. We gotta get the old cell phones now.

[Peach]

We gotta run up on him for our Patreon subscriber.

[Mal]

Yeah, but I'm just saying we gotta go in there and just, you know, be rude and then buy bottles.

[Rory]

What? All right, so she asked for advice on how to spite this spot.

[Mal]

Oh, what if it's one of those new spots where you're supposed to be rude on purpose?

[Rory]

Like, no, they're not selling oxtails. This guy's just a smug piece of Chicago.

[Mal]

Yeah, like, you know when they be like come in and they just like the waiters are rude to like, what the hell do you wanted? Yeah, like, like that.

[Rory]

Jack doesn't seem like that type of.

[Mal]

I'm just saying, what if that's the type of spot he's running?

[Rory]

You know, she was asking what she should do to spite the spot. Atlantic is. That would be a public sidewalk. Correct.

[Peach]

Or rock through that window, piss her on the sidewalk.

[Damaris]

I could just let it go.

[Rory]

I would. No, God, no.

[Mal]

Never let it go.

[Rory]

Yeah, like this is going to be a lifelong grudge.

[Peach]

I found LinkedIn. Oh, my God.

[Mal]

Jack is the Ops. Jack is the Ops.

[Peach]

It's him.

[Mal]

It's definitely him.

[Peach]

That's like the same shirt.

[Rory]

He posed for that pic on Google Images.

[Peach]

You.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's the Ops. That's the Ops. Maddie. We gonna ride. We gonna ride for you.

[Rory]

I think she should set up a fold up table in front of that spot because it's Atlantic Avenue, it's public sidewalk. And take all her meetings and work, work from home on her cell phone in front of that spot.

[Peach]

Open up a Call center outside there.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Peach]

Make a bottle. Start curating your own bottles of wine and then sell them outside his store. Do free wine tastings and then sell the bottles outside his store. Undercut his prices.

[Mal]

Yeah. His spot is called Free Range Wine.

[Peach]

You could just open up, just say, free wine.

[Mal]

Free wine. Right in front of his.

[Rory]

There's got to be a streaming farm version of calling one number. Just do that to their landline. We should call Jack. Has to be on the phone.

[Mal]

Call Jack right now.

[Damaris]

We should call Jack.

[Peach]

I'll call him.

[Mal]

Let's see if Jack answers.

[Peach]

Call him right now. Jack.

[Damaris]

Can you plug them in?

[Rory]

Do you allow cell. Cell phones? That's my. That's my one rule when it comes to buying wine. I have to be able to be on my phone.

[Peach]

I'm literally going to say, that's exactly. I got this. This is going to be great.

[Rory]

Do you have white Ziffindale? And can I be on my phone?

[Damaris]

Free Range.

[Peach]

Hi, I just have a quick question. Is this Jack?

[Mal]

This is Derek.

[Peach]

Oh, is Jack available by chance?

[Rory]

No.

[Peach]

Oh, he's not. Okay.

[Rory]

Is he on his phone?

[Peach]

If I. Yeah, I just. I might come in later, but it might be in the middle of a call. Like, I work late sometimes. I'm trying to. I'm planning on coming in after work if. Is it a problem if I like, shop around and just, like, happen to be on my phone while I'm in the store?

[Mal]

I mean, it's not our favorite thing, that's for sure. In fact, it's probably one of our least favorite things.

[Rory]

Oh, Derek.

[Peach]

Was that such a bad. Like, I. I'm just curious, is this, like, did something bad happen? And that's why I'm asking, because I know you have signs of involved.

[Rory]

Signs involved?

[Mal]

Oh, yeah.

[Peach]

I mean, you know, if.

[Rory]

Are you on our newsletter?

[Mal]

Do you get our newsletter? I'm sure you've seen some stories about it.

[Rory]

We're big, big newsletter guys.

[Mal]

Definitely not the optimal way to be helping people.

[Peach]

For sure. If I go in. If I go in, know exactly the bottle I want, grab it, run to the register.

[Mal]

Why don't you order ahead, then?

[Rory]

Order ahead, put you in a pickle.

[Mal]

From our website, we'll just have the.

[Rory]

Bottle ready for you.

[Mal]

You just run in, have it, and run out.

[Damaris]

These guys are good.

[Rory]

Can I be on a zoom call if I do it that way, though?

[Peach]

Okay. But. Yeah, then I might. They might want me on camera, too, and I.

[Mal]

Can I take my Skype call?

[Peach]

All right, well, thank you.

[Rory]

What's your WI Fi. So I can bring my laptop.

[Peach]

Do you guys have.

[Mal]

You have a hotspot? Do you have hotspot.

[Rory]

Who's this? Derek. What are some of your favorite things? Since that's not your favorite thing.

[Mal]

We're looking. We wanted to call and give Jack a hard time.

[Damaris]

Derek.

[Rory]

Sorry.

[Peach]

Derek. No, you're. You're great. We just haven't heard of. You're. You're a new character in this development. We've only heard about Jack.

[Mal]

Time I should pass on.

[Peach]

I'll call back later. You. You've been great. Jack, on the other hand. We'll get to him later.

[Rory]

We love his business plan.

[Peach]

We love. We love you, though. Appreciate you. Thank you.

[Mal]

Luigi says hello. All right, bye.

[Peach]

Have a good one.

[Rory]

Jack is the next. The next CEO.

[Mal]

He's the next CEO to go.

[Peach]

This is awesome.

[Rory]

Luigi says hello because there's something very similar about denying health coverage and denying. Denying cell phone usage.

[Mal]

I need my.

[Peach]

That's, like, the least favorite thing you could do in here.

[Mal]

That is crazy.

[Julian]

Yo, but he was so.

[Mal]

He said that's kind of like on our list of not.

[Peach]

It's like the whole thing.

[Rory]

Isn't that kind of like the job? When it comes to retail, though, you just. That's the gig. You have to deal with people. Yeah, it's customer service. Like, people are not always going to be kind.

[Peach]

Jack.

[Mal]

He said, yo, I got to take my co. Why don't you just order ahead now?

[Damaris]

He smoked the customer service. He smoked.

[Mal]

We'll have it ready for you. Just pay. Go. Damn.

[Peach]

That is funny that he stuck, but.

[Rory]

What'S the difference between that. We saw how big that wine shop is. It's not that big if I just grab the bottle on the phone and do the same thing. What's the difference?

[Mal]

It's no difference.

[Peach]

That's what I'm saying. Like, what the.

[Rory]

That sounded like Derek. Think.

[Mal]

Can we find the no cell phone.

[Peach]

Sign if I scan around? Let's see if we can find it.

[Rory]

She posted it, right?

[Peach]

I don't think so. It might be by the.

[Rory]

I feel like in one of those reviews. It was there. Wait, how is. Whoa. Jackets everywhere, man. He's like the butler in Mr. Deeds.

[Peach]

How did he.

[Rory]

He just appears in every place. How is he right there now?

[Mal]

He's moving the camera that he's setting up. Like.

[Peach]

Yeah, yeah. He literally set these up by himself.

[Rory]

N. That's definitely Derek behind the lens.

[Peach]

Derek.

[Mal]

Hilarious.

[Peach]

This is all.

[Rory]

This may have been.

[Mal]

It might be outside on, like, a little chalkboard thing. Like, in front of the store.

[Damaris]

Hilarious.

[Peach]

Let's go outside. Right here?

[Mal]

Yeah, right there.

[Rory]

What's that right there?

[Mal]

What does that sign say?

[Rory]

And first of all, mall was right. Like, with it being vegan wine, but not so. I know. Free Range Chicken. I've never heard of Free Range Wine.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

You're just like, the grapes are not in containers.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Mal]

The soil is not. Like, they don't use, like, animals to, you know, fertilize the soil.

[Rory]

Oh, I thought Free Range Chicken meant they had space and weren't, like, on top of each other. They could run on the range before they were slaughtered.

[Mal]

The grapes, like, they just have a.

[Peach]

Little more room to wiggle.

[Rory]

So is that what it means with the grapes?

[Peach]

Huh? The bottom's like, the street signs.

[Damaris]

Yo, is y'all really looking for this? No. Cell phone sign. If we can't find it, neither could our caller, man.

[Peach]

Yeah, yeah, we're on her side.

[Mal]

Hey, Maddie, we gonna ride for you. Don't trip.

[Damaris]

That is hilarious.

[Peach]

Yeah, it's on site with Jack.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah. Just the eyebrow raise. Yeah.

[Peach]

What if it's that sticker?

[Rory]

He put a produce sticker on his app. Apple monitor.

[Peach]

He's quirky.

[Rory]

Yeah. No, Jack. Jack outdid himself. This could have been a great place.

[Peach]

Yeah, it could have.

[Damaris]

Yo. It could have.

[Mal]

Only if we could use our phones, Jack.

[Rory]

There's gotta be some baggage. I wish Jack answered, not Derek. There's gotta be a reason.

[Peach]

I'm down to call back.

[Rory]

Like, did Jack's ex walk in on the phone with her new dude? There's gotta be a reason. You just don't do that.

[Damaris]

Maybe he was afraid to get. Maybe. I don't know. Maybe it's a I'm afraid to get robbed thing. What, like you walking in on the phone, causing a distraction. Like, I don't know. It's distracting. He might be autistic.

[Peach]

Homie said that's our least favorite thing.

[Damaris]

Because over. Because that's over stimulating me being on my phone. Yes, I'm. If I'm going to ask you for your ID and you're on the phone talking to somebody and there's music in the store playing, that is an autistic person's nightmare.

[Mal]

All right, well, turn the music off.

[Damaris]

For your phone call.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah.

[Damaris]

No, you can get the out.

[Mal]

No, you. Right.

[Rory]

Okay, but what would be the difference if they were talking to you while asking for id?

[Damaris]

That's because that's complete. Because they are. That's completely different. If you're talking to me, we're involved in one conversation. If I ask you.

[Rory]

We're not a conversation. You put a bottle down and we're going to do a currency exchange.

[Damaris]

No, you don't. You ask for id. I'm assuming. I know he asked for id.

[Rory]

Oh, for sure.

[Peach]

There's no way Jack's not asking.

[Mal]

He.

[Rory]

He has entire lockbox of fake IDs that he. He submits to the post office every year.

[Peach]

Confiscating fake ID.

[Mal]

100%. He locks the door and calls the cops. If you ever fake id. I know that face. That face right there. He can't wait to lock that door. Had the cops come get you with a fake ID.

[Rory]

100%. And even offers to go down to the station if they need any more.

[Mal]

I'll give a report. I'll give a report. Sir, you need me to shut the shop and follow you? I'll go.

[Rory]

Yeah. The cops are annoyed at this point, the amount of times he calls.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Jack, count your days.

[Peach]

Yeah. We don't like you.

[Mal]

Oh, man. Well, Matty, thank you for that. We will be paying Jack a visit on your behalf. Half slam some bottles of white zinfandel on the floor. I don't know.

[Rory]

We had a dm. Maddie let her know the time, too. Yeah, she gotta roll with.

[Mal]

Absolutely. All right, what we got coming up? Holidays. Oh, no. We got one more episode before the holiday, right?

[Rory]

We're still working.

[Peach]

Yeah, one more.

[Mal]

Oh, I'm tripping.

[Peach]

You want to make fun of me? Did you guys see this yet?

[Rory]

I saw you post it on Twitter.

[Peach]

Mall. I'm way more curious about what you think.

[Mal]

I didn't see it. Wait, I'm looking.

[Peach]

Okay.

[Mal]

Con Air, man. Titanium cut. Blaze.

[Rory]

You're not even cutting.

[Peach]

It's a whole thing. I'm cutting.

[Rory]

That was a nasty smile.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that was kind of gross.

[Rory]

Oh, God.

[Damaris]

Oh, my God.

[Mal]

Wait.

[Peach]

All right.

[Mal]

This has been another episode.

[Damaris]

Man, you came in here with your.

[Rory]

Beard cut and everything. You ain't tell us you waxed your channel chest.

[Peach]

I didn't wax it. I cut it. I didn't wax it. It's a part of the shoe.

[Mal]

Well, congrats on your Con Air commercial.

[Rory]

You know what's funny? I'm sure he feels violated because they made him do his pubes, but it didn't make the cut. So now he's wondering why he had to do that coochie wall. It's for the director's personal.

[Peach]

Stash's favorite shot was the.

[Rory]

It's the motorcycle. That one?

[Peach]

Yeah. The F. Manchu.

[Damaris]

This is Gross.

[Rory]

What made you laugh that way?

[Peach]

A lot of inappropriate comments off camera. Camera. Thankfully, a lot of these aren't audio or else they probably wouldn't get.

[Damaris]

How much did they pay you for this? You're gonna tell me not on camera.

[Peach]

No, I'll tell you that. But I'm on Amazon if you guys want a trimmer.

[Mal]

Dope.

[Peach]

That's me.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Peach]

I get no points.

[Mal]

No points.

[Peach]

Well, it's not like a. It's a modeling job. It's not like a sponsorship.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, that's true.

[Damaris]

If you sign up to be an Amazon associate and put the link in your bio, then people will click on your name and click it and you would get paid.

[Peach]

Oh, I have one of those. I should do this.

[Mal]

That.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Instead of just being a piece of meat for the director.

[Mal]

Right? Have some respect for yourself, Julia.

[Peach]

Peace.

[Rory]

Ask for equity in all razors moving forward. Because you cut your beard. But this was fun. We will see you guys soon.

[Mal]

Had a great time.

[Peach]

Fuck Jack.

[Mal]

We'll talk to y'all soon. Be safe. Be blessed. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. Happy holiday.

[Damaris]

No worrying mouth.

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