Episode 332 | Sittin’ & Spittin’

Summary

Podcast Summary: New Rory & MAL - Episode 332 | Sittin’ & Spittin’

Host/Authors: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume
Release Date: December 31, 2024
Description: New stories, new laughs, new random hot takes that no one asked for... New Rory & Mal

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1. Year in Review: Reflecting on 2024

The episode kicks off with Rory and Mall reflecting on the tumultuous year of 2024. They discuss the passage of time and the overwhelming events that made the year feel extended.

• Rory [00:03]: "Happy last day of 2024. All I can say is it was a year. A year happened."
• Mall [00:10]: "How many years was this year? This year was like four years. Had to be."

They settle into a gray area of emotions, acknowledging that numerous significant and challenging events occurred, making the year feel longer than it was.

2. Generation Naming: Embracing Generation Beta

The conversation shifts to generational labels, with a humorous take on the emergence of "Generation Beta" in 2025.

• Rory [00:33]: "According to Twitter, 10 years ago, 2025, women will be having sex with robots... So we have one more day where you can get some pussy, because we will be replaced in the morning."

They delve into the implications of generational shifts, debating their own classification between Millennials and the upcoming Generation Beta, while playfully discussing the significance of these labels.

3. Personal Updates: Rory’s PRF Treatment

Rory shares a personal update about his decision to undergo PRF (Platelet-Rich Fibrin) treatment to address dark circles under his eyes, opting for it over Botox.

• Rory [03:27]: "I gifted myself PRF for my under eyes... I have no shame in fixing dark circles under my eyes."

He explains the procedure, emphasizing its benefits and his comfort with making such a personal change, while also humorously suggesting swapping blood with friends to solidify bonds.

4. New Year's Eve Plans: Culinary Comforts and Personal Growth

Damaris reveals her plans for New Year's Eve, choosing to spend the evening alone and cooking a hearty meal, marking her first solo celebration.

• Damaris [11:46]: "I'm going to make some collard greens, some honey butter cornbread, rice and peas, and some smothered turkey wings."

The trio discusses the importance of stepping out of comfort zones and embracing personal growth, with Mall expressing support for Damaris's decision to seek solitude and self-improvement.

5. Music and Performances: Beyonce’s Stellar Halftime Show

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to analyzing Beyonce’s halftime performance, which both Rory and Mall laud as one of the best live performances they’ve ever witnessed.

• Rory [22:03]: "It was a masterclass. I can't think of the last time I saw a performance that good, including Beyonce at the Super Bowl. This was better."

They compare it to other artists, emphasizing its impact on live performance standards and praising its choreography, vocals, and overall execution.

6. Rap Albums and Artists: Hot Takes and Critical Analysis

The hosts engage in an extensive discussion about various rap albums and artists, offering their opinions and hot takes on recent releases.

• Rory [36:05]: "It's called Tranquility with a visual. It's like 230. I think Jack is rapping on it."

They debate the merits of albums like Jack Harlow's "GNX," Freddie Gibbs' works, and Tyler’s projects, scrutinizing elements like skits and lyrical depth. The conversation highlights their differing tastes and the evolving landscape of hip-hop music.

7. Rap Movies and Hip-Hop Culture: Evaluating Biopics

Rory, Mall, and Damaris analyze rap-focused movies, discussing their accuracy and impact on hip-hop culture. They compare "Notorious" and "Straight Outta Compton," debating which better captures the essence of the artists' lives.

• Rory [58:37]: "I think Straight Outta Compton is a better movie."

They critique the portrayal of real-life events and characters, emphasizing the importance of authenticity in biographical films about influential hip-hop figures.

8. Media and Interviews in Hip-Hop: The Changing Landscape

The discussion turns to how media and streaming platforms have transformed artist interviews and public engagement. The hosts express frustration over the lack of in-depth, genuine conversations with artists.

• Elliot Wilson [103:45]: "It's an imbalance, right? Do we have commentary all day, but no conversation with the people that are making the art?"

They lament the shift towards superficial media interactions, advocating for more meaningful dialogues that allow artists to connect deeply with their audience.

9. Top 10 Get Up Anthems from LA: Curating the Ultimate Playlist

In collaboration with Elliot Wilson, the hosts present their list of the top 10 get-up anthems from Los Angeles, highlighting tracks that ignite energy and passion.

• Mall [147:50]: "Number 10, we have 'BPT' by YG."
• Rory [148:15]: "Number six, Nipsey Hussle."

They discuss the cultural significance of each anthem, debating their placements and the legacy of artists like Ice Cube, DMX, and Kendrick Lamar within the LA music scene.

10. Wrap-Up and Guest Interaction: Engaging with Elliot Wilson

The episode concludes with an engaging conversation with guest Elliot Wilson. They discuss the future of podcasting, the importance of authentic interviews, and tease upcoming projects.

• Elliot Wilson [158:17]: "I'm prepared to tell the truth."
• Rory [158:35]: "Happy New Year, everyone. Have a safe night."

The hosts express gratitude for Elliot's participation, promoting his upcoming show "Elliot Wilson Experience" and reaffirming their commitment to authentic media engagement.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Rory [00:03]: "Happy last day of 2024. All I can say is it was a year. A year happened."
• Rory [00:33]: "According to Twitter, 10 years ago, 2025, women will be having sex with robots."
• Rory [03:27]: "I gifted myself PRF for my under eyes."
• Damaris [11:46]: "I'm going to make some collard greens, some honey butter cornbread, rice and peas, and some smothered turkey wings."
• Rory [22:03]: "It was a masterclass. I can't think of the last time I saw a performance that good, including Beyonce at the Super Bowl. This was better."
• Elliot Wilson [103:45]: "It's an imbalance, right? Do we have commentary all day, but no conversation with the people that are making the art?"
• Rory [58:37]: "I think Straight Outta Compton is a better movie."
• Mall [147:50]: "Number 10, we have 'BPT' by YG."
• Elliot Wilson [158:17]: "I'm prepared to tell the truth."
• Rory [158:35]: "Happy New Year, everyone. Have a safe night."

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Conclusion:

Episode 332 of "New Rory & MAL" offers an in-depth and dynamic discussion covering personal updates, reflections on the year, generational shifts, music and cultural analyses, and the evolving relationship between artists and media. The hosts provide their unique perspectives, enriched with humor and critical insights, making the episode a comprehensive listen for both regular fans and new listeners alike.

Transcript

[Damaris]

No worrying now.

[Rory]

Happy last day of 2024. All I can say is it was a year. A year happened.

[Mall]

How many years was this year? This year was like four years. Had to be.

[Rory]

I used to have so much more thoughts on, like, was this a good year or is this a bad year? I'm just in the gray area of all that now. A year happened. A year happened, and I'm here.

[Mall]

And a lot has happened in this year that made it feel like great.

[Rory]

Things, bad things, a few years, but, you know, it was a year.

[Mall]

This is December 31, 2024. 4. Wow.

[Rory]

Yes. According to Twitter, 10 years ago, 2025, women will be having sex with robots. So we have one more day where you can get some pussy, because we will be replaced in the morning. Okay, so I'm excited to see where that goes. Also, every baby being born tomorrow will be part of Gen Beta. What a. What a name.

[Mall]

Really?

[Rory]

Imagine being part of generation beta.

[Mall]

2025 is beta.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

Bunch of Beta days.

[Mall]

All right, well, I mean, let's. I look forward to it, man. This year was definitely a year of.

[Rory]

At least. At least my generation is named after a great tour.

[Mall]

See?

[Rory]

What?

[Mall]

Just that fast?

[Rory]

What you mean?

[Mall]

Just turned everything off.

[Rory]

You're part of the Generation two.

[Mall]

Am I? Yeah.

[Rory]

Y'all keep telling me that you're a millennial. It's all right.

[Damaris]

Barely.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, Beta is crazy. Thank God Amar is not Beta.

[Mall]

What is Amara?

[Rory]

Big alpha dog, I think. I assume if it's beta, it was Alpha before, right? Yeah, I know my Greek Alphabet.

[Mall]

Well, how many years does that change, though?

[Rory]

I don't know.

[Damaris]

Is it like 1510 or 15?

[Rory]

No, cuz millennials are like 81 to 93 or some weird like that. 96.

[Damaris]

It's like. Yeah, that's why I don't think Mall is a millennial.

[Mall]

Why?

[Rory]

He's an Aries.

[Damaris]

He's not that either.

[Mall]

What? Why am I not a millennial?

[Rory]

Whatever. The moons and the stars, they change it. We've been through this before. But I just think it's funny that people are gonna be called Generation Beta. They're never gonna hear the end of that, especially from our generation. Yeah, so good luck with that.

[Mall]

You Beta babies.

[Damaris]

It is like, it's like 15 years. Because millennials are 81 to 96.

[Rory]

That feels like. Oh, yeah, I guess that's 15 years exactly.

[Damaris]

Gen Z was 97 to 2010. And then, yes, she's alpha. 2010 to 2024.

[Mall]

So why you. But Baby D? Why? You said you feel Like, I'm not millennial.

[Damaris]

Cause you're like, I was making a joke, but, like, yeah, you're, like, bare. Like, you're scratching. You were almost Gen X. He birthed us by, like, seven. By, like, what, 11 months. You were almost Gen X.

[Rory]

So you can't really say anything bad about millennials because you really were our leader. You started this millennial shit.

[Mall]

Yeah, I was a millennial longer than.

[Damaris]

You were you very much longer than I was.

[Mall]

Yeah. So put some respect when I walk.

[Rory]

Out the house, but don't on the younger generation.

[Mall]

Matter of fact, call me Millennial Mall from now on. That's what y'all gonna do. Call me Millennial Mall. All right.

[Damaris]

Nah, you know what I'm saying? But I appreciate you saying that.

[Rory]

Glad we have a nice, relaxing last part of the year, Millennial Mall. That's all my bad, right? I should have been calling you Eminem.

[Mall]

No, no, please don't. Please don't.

[Rory]

You Ben. Eminem. My bad. I don't even know.

[Damaris]

Please don't make it.

[Rory]

What I just put. Took the two letters. Eminem.

[Damaris]

You make it corny.

[Rory]

Well, I mean, I was a little offended. I mean, the group chat was quiet just because it was holidays. People were their family. But no one checked on me when I gifted myself major surgery over the holiday break.

[Mall]

What surgery did you get?

[Rory]

I. I went under the needle, if you will. I gifted myself PRF for my under eyes.

[Mall]

What is prf?

[Rory]

Demera said I got Botox. I did not get Botox. So. Because I'm exhausted all the time and we're on camera constantly, I thought I would gift myself for the dark circles under my eyes because it always looks like somebody knocked me the out. This is our career.

[Mall]

Yep.

[Rory]

I went under the needle, man. Me and Kim. Me and Kim K. Upper east side. We got the vampire blood all over our faces. We sacrificed the child on Christmas Day.

[Mall]

So what is. What is prf?

[Rory]

So what they do, essentially, and I'm not ashamed of it. The woman that did it was incredible. And, you know, just small talk of, like, what do you do? Why do you want this, etcetera? And I was like, you know, I'm on camera. That's part of my life. I have no shame in, you know, fixing dark circles under my eyes. And she was like, oh, we can hide it. Like, no personal information. I'm like, I don't give a fuck. To tell the world that you took blood from my arm and then injected it to my underarm, like, to make.

[Mall]

That what it was.

[Rory]

Yeah, they take blood from your arm.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

It's like an ibbo. It's like an eye fat transfer.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

But they do it with blood. Take it from your arm and put it, like, right here to get the blood cells rejuvenate.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And it looks like I probably got punched here, but there's a little bruise. There's three sessions. She said I wouldn't see any results on the first one. I can already see. I was very pleased with the whole procedure. And I think, men, it's okay for us to do this. I don't think we should feel ashamed. Botox, That's a little too far. I think my grandfather would rise out of his grave.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

And smack. Smack the Botox out my face. But I feel like with my ego and fragile masculinity, just taking blood from my arm and putting my eye out.

[Mall]

It's not that bad.

[Rory]

I don't think it's that crazy.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So, you know, I gifted myself.

[Mall]

Oh, you look good.

[Rory]

Got a little Pamper Day after.

[Mall]

Are you going to get the second session?

[Rory]

There's two more.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

Three total. I got the package deal.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

The Christmas holiday. Yeah, actually.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

And I get 50 off anyone that you work. I bring. Yeah. If you guys want to go.

[Mall]

Okay. No, I'm cool.

[Rory]

We could swap blood, too. Like, I could put my. My blood.

[Mall]

I'm cool. I'm cool.

[Rory]

I will give you guys my blood.

[Mall]

I don't want you.

[Rory]

There's nothing in there.

[Mall]

I don't want your blood under my eyes.

[Rory]

No, no. We blood brothers.

[Mall]

I'm cool.

[Rory]

It would make us family. For real.

[Damaris]

This time.

[Rory]

Instead of signing blood under a contract, like, we could actually have blood together in our bodies. Yeah. And I could share DNA with Biggs and Hop.

[Mall]

I'm cool. But, you know, you look good. Looking forward to seeing the full results of your new journey, your transition into, like, beautiful eyes.

[Rory]

And once again, after Damaris ignored me with me sending my album to her, I sent her a photo of me in the chair saying, bad bitch alert. Loading.

[Mall]

No response.

[Rory]

Nothing.

[Damaris]

He's a liar. I said, are you getting a bbl? That's what I said.

[Rory]

I had. It looked like I got two punches directly to my face. And she said, you getting a BBL in your face. You always.

[Damaris]

Your eyes always dark and, like, dreary. Well, that's bad and hopeless. So I didn't know.

[Rory]

That's why I got.

[Mall]

The movie's dark and dreary. That's why he's. That's why he went to get prf. There you go.

[Rory]

And the amount of people, like, not even leading up to it. The amount of people that have Botox, I had no idea. I didn't know that was such a common thing that people were getting.

[Mall]

Going to the dentist.

[Rory]

Yeah. Which I didn't know.

[Mall]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Damaris]

I want to get Botox too. I'm gonna start because Botox is supposed to be preventative, so I do want to prevent some stuff from happening.

[Mall]

What do you want to prevent, baby?

[Damaris]

D, like, wrinkles in my forehead. I have. I laugh a lot because I'm a childish ass person. So I have, like, prominent smile lines. Nothing that makes me any less beautiful. I'm still gorgeous, but just stuff that later on in life, like, I don't. You know, I'm not aging gracefully. I'm pulling this shit way back.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Damaris]

Not aging gracefully.

[Rory]

What was crazy is she was like, yo, don't. If you have to be on camera on Monday, I did this on Friday on the 27th. Said, if you have to be on camera Monday, your eyes are going to be super swollen. Like, I hope you know that. I was like, well, I don't have for the rest of the year. I have to record Thursdays and Mondays no matter what. This is the only time slot I would have. And I do it three times. Fuck it, I'll go on air. It'll be a funny thing to talk about. With my eyes puffy. My skin didn't react to it in that type of way except for the first day. And I didn't mind explaining it to the pod audience. That's going to make fun of me. Rightfully so. It was walking around in my everyday life. On Thursday and Friday, we're, like, walking in to Kia's building with security. Like, yo, what happened? We got to see somebody, like, talking to my. Because my family was there all the way through.

[Mall]

Somebody put hands on you.

[Rory]

I was like, yo, what the fuck happened? Everyone was asking me what's going on? That was harder to explain what PRF was than anything else. Like, so. So why? Yeah, cuz, like, you know, all my family is blue collar. You know, they're working. They're road work.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

Like, so wait, you took blood and put it in your eye for what? I was like, cuz on camera, I have dark circle. I want. I won't use the word that they said.

[Mall]

Oh, I know. One of my favorite.

[Rory]

I should have just said I got knocked out.

[Mall]

Yeah. One of my favorite words.

[Rory]

They wouldn't have called me that if I got knocked out. Yeah, It Would have probably been more manly if I was like, yeah, jumped. Knock both my eyes out perfectly in the same spot.

[Mall]

See, Rory got prf, Baby D wants to get Botox, and here I am. I got offended that a friend of mine asked me if I dye my beard. And I thought that that was completely disrespectful.

[Damaris]

I mean, but it's common, though.

[Mall]

Yeah, but I would never dye my beard. I wouldn't die.

[Damaris]

But you're also. You're getting older, Ma, so they probably think that eventually you would have grays.

[Mall]

I have grays now. I'm not dying it, though. I would never. You think I'm going go get that coffee bean dye.

[Rory]

And there's more than just that, though. It doesn't have to just be that.

[Mall]

Well, that's the shade.

[Rory]

Just be the Carlos boozer. Like.

[Mall]

But that would be the shade I would have to get. Would like. It'd be like, a brownish black type of, like, mix.

[Rory]

Not everything is. What's the shit in Jersey that they use?

[Mall]

Beijing.

[Rory]

Beijing. Not everything has to be.

[Mall]

I'm not saying Beijing. I'm just saying I would never go and buy a dye and get them in the mirror, brush my beard and, like, just sit still until it, like, soaks in, and then rinse my face. For what? To not have gray hairs.

[Rory]

You start smoking, it starts dripping.

[Mall]

I'm not doing that. Like, bring on the grays.

[Damaris]

Oh, you gonna lay on a bad bed pillow all dark.

[Rory]

Has that happened to you?

[Damaris]

No.

[Rory]

I don't know.

[Damaris]

You think I look. No, no, you wouldn't know. No, I would know. My pillow will be fucked up. The fuck.

[Mall]

You can blame it on you, though. Your mascara.

[Damaris]

I. I'm not laying next to no, that has to dye his beard.

[Mall]

See? Oh, all right. See? So why was you surprised when I was offended by it?

[Damaris]

Because it's. Because it is common. I'm hard to please, but it is common. You shouldn't be.

[Mall]

Like, I just never understood that. Like, why. As an older guy, why are you.

[Rory]

Trying to hide the grays, though? I was offended. Over the holiday break, a woman told me that 20% of my beard is gray. And I was actually offended by that. And I don't.

[Mall]

20%.

[Rory]

I started adding up the percentages of what she considered 10%. Like, I did a whole graph of my beard. I was like, you're telling me you think 20% of this little patch right here, which I don't mind. My grays is my grays, right? You think this is 5%? Maybe, yeah. I started maybe Counting, like, one by one.

[Damaris]

Maybe. Yeah. Maybe 10%.

[Mall]

Maybe 8. That's like, say, 8. I'm at 8.

[Rory]

20.

[Mall]

I'm not 28.

[Rory]

20 is crazy.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah. No, you're not 20. Great.

[Rory]

Because I was like, all right. 2, 4, 6, 8, 10.

[Damaris]

You just proved their point, by the way.

[Mall]

Wait, that's the math you did.

[Rory]

I started counting individual pieces of my beer. That's how petty I was being about it. But now that I just did it that way. Yeah, it would be 20%.

[Mall]

Yeah, exactly. Well, I'm glad you got your eyes bloody.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mall]

And hopefully, you know, you feel better. You feel more luxurious about yourself.

[Rory]

And we'll see on the second treatment. Maybe my eyes will still be swollen and peach.

[Mall]

How's it looking on cameras? You looking beautiful. All right.

[Rory]

Per usual.

[Mall]

I mean, that means. That means you got to go back to the other two sessions, and, like.

[Rory]

No matter how I'm lit at all times, it always looks like I'm punched in the face. Pictures all the time.

[Mall]

So, you know, that's all right.

[Rory]

It's part of the gig.

[Mall]

It's part of it.

[Damaris]

What holds that for New Year's Eve?

[Mall]

Baby, we should be asking you that. What you doing for New Year's Eve?

[Damaris]

I said, where the hoes at? You asking me where I'm gonna be at? See, that's disrespectful.

[Rory]

Not that you're a hoe. You know what a hoes are at.

[Mall]

You like women, so you wouldn't know where they're at.

[Damaris]

For New Year's, I am going to be at home, alone.

[Mall]

Alone.

[Damaris]

No, I'm serious. It's gonna be my first New Year's Eve alone. Well, technically, not alone. Alex and her boyfriend are gonna be.

[Mall]

Upstairs, and you just gonna be by yourself, huh?

[Damaris]

Yeah, I'm making smoke. I mean, I'm going to make some collard greens, some honey butter cornbread. Rice and peas.

[Mall]

For yourself? For yourself.

[Elliot Wilson]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

And some smothered turkey wings.

[Rory]

Why are you choosing this year to be alone?

[Damaris]

There's no other place I would rather be. Honestly, like, if I like. You know what I'm saying? Like, it will be a force for me to go anywhere else. I just kind of want to be alone.

[Mall]

No special guy that you want to kiss at midnight?

[Damaris]

No. I'm so good. Guys, one of my New Year's resolutions is all new. Dick. I don't want anything old. I don't want no old holes. I swear to God, I thought I.

[Rory]

Was pushing it with new eyes.

[Damaris]

No. No new penis.

[Mall]

I thought I was pushing it with a new beard. She said new dick?

[Damaris]

Yes. I don't want no old.

[Rory]

Okay, this is what I hate, when you give friends advice and they ignore it until someone else gives them advice. This is the same shit she was getting mad at me and Diani about when we were telling her this in the car. Like, don't spin the block. Maybe it's time to move on to something completely new. Instead of the same spin the block you've been doing for five, 10 years. Now all of a sudden, it's. She's the chick with the baggage. Going up the steps.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that's me.

[Mall]

You not stepping over new dick. You stepping on new dick.

[Damaris]

Stepping on new dick. Sitting, spitting. I'm tired.

[Mall]

I'm tired of sitting and spitting.

[Damaris]

I'm tired of these.

[Mall]

Yo.

[Rory]

Wait, you're tired of them? So let's go get some new ones that we don't know.

[Mall]

What, you sitting and spitting on new dick.

[Rory]

Sounds pretty good, though, if you had strategy for new dick.

[Mall]

Oh, my God.

[Rory]

Sitting.

[Mall]

Now we getting somewhere at 25, baby. Sitting in speed. No, listen, go ahead. You're a grown woman.

[Rory]

What about maybe, like, valuing new relationships and friendships for.

[Damaris]

No, you're for sure, for sure.

[Rory]

Getting to know that dick before.

[Damaris]

But this isn't the audience for that.

[Rory]

I know.

[Damaris]

We know who our audience is, but. No, I really. I had to come to the realization that I have been afraid to step out into new avenues in my life because I don't have the confidence. And I'm just. I'm scared of everything. I'm scared of failing. So I keep going back to the same thing.

[Mall]

You scared of what's new?

[Damaris]

I watch. Yes. I watch the same. I watch the same TV shows because it doesn't give me anxiety. I date the same men because it doesn't give me anxiety, because I know what to expect. So there's a comfort zone there, and I want to step out of that. I want to grow.

[Mall]

I respect that. So sit and spit.

[Rory]

I don't know if that's.

[Mall]

That's how you.

[Rory]

That's the first step in the strategy.

[Mall]

No, that helps.

[Rory]

I think getting to know someone that maybe lowers that anxiety and makes you feel wanted and respected. Then you spit and sit.

[Mall]

Listen, Rory, on that anxiety, I can tell you once you spit, have anxiety. Once I feel anxious, I start.

[Rory]

You have the least amount of anxiety of any human being I've ever met. I. In 2025, I want to be more like your brain.

[Damaris]

I want more anxious in 2025.

[Rory]

Like, I really think Maul actually gets eight hours of sleep every night? I think when Maul closes his eyes, he goes to sleep. You know how crazy that is to lay down in bed and go. And then fall asleep? Instead of having your mind race about 30,000 things, you know why and hating yourself and wondering what's wrong?

[Mall]

I'm gonna tell you the secret. I'm gonna give you the secret. You have to just lay down at night and say F it and go to sleep. I don't care what's happening. I don't care. Who needs my.

[Rory]

My next.

[Mall]

Who needs what?

[Rory]

Well, why. Why should I say it? If I say it, this will happen. Yeah, but if I don't say it, so what?

[Mall]

So what?

[Rory]

So what leads to all the things I can't control of all the possibilities of what would happen?

[Mall]

Because here's why. It makes no sense to go to bed stressed out and anxious and all of this. Because if you look back at every moment where you feel like control that. I don't know how I'm going to get out of this situation. You got out of it, right?

[Rory]

Sure.

[Damaris]

Not really. I'm still in debt.

[Mall]

Yeah, but that's. That's so. So people sold people with 50 and $100 million.

[Rory]

Yeah, but their debt is cute and part of their IRS strategy.

[Damaris]

Cute debt is funny as fuck.

[Mall]

Make it a part of yours.

[Rory]

They have cute debt that's like, hey, my company didn't make any money, but I'm liquid 6 billion.

[Mall]

Yeah. So make that yours, IRS. CO. I ain't got it. What y'all gonna do? I.

[Rory]

They told us they ain't got it either.

[Mall]

Yeah, exactly.

[Rory]

Road's still getting fixed.

[Mall]

Like y'all ain't got it. Y'all can't even find the 2 trillion.

[Rory]

Okay, if I do that, then I will be doing the same strategy in a jail cell If I do the fucking irs.

[Mall]

Now you have no. Now you have no bills.

[Rory]

Yeah, but my asshole is probably in.

[Mall]

Oh, it's. That's. That's movie shit. That don't happen in jail.

[Damaris]

Anybody. You.

[Mall]

That don't happen like that, man.

[Rory]

Wait, you don't think anyone would. Me in prison.

[Damaris]

I'm not like.

[Rory]

No, that's like a little offensive. You don't think I would walk in.

[Mall]

They gonna jump on you.

[Rory]

I mean, I think I'd be a pretty high pick.

[Mall]

He wanted to do that draft on Patreon. What do you think he'd get? What do you think you'll get drafted?

[Rory]

Yo, what P just said was the funniest Shit, we just can't say it on Mike. Of what rhymes with Patreon and what would happen in that situation. Yo, but you don't think, like, coming, like, off the bus, like, you know, I would still do the jail strategy of taking the risk of, like, starting a fight. Just so they know, you know, you can't completely take advantage of me. And, like, I still want to call my mom. You can't have my commissary.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But before that, when I'm just, like, on some Andy Dufresne getting off the bus and they all have cigarettes and they're bedding. Cause I think prison is just like the 1940s. You don't think I would be high on the rape list of, I just got my under eyes done. I'm looking young, rejuvenated.

[Mall]

It's more because you're a redhead. And, you know, you're like a trophy in the hood. A lot of guys have never dated a redhead or slept with a redhead. So maybe I got a lot of.

[Rory]

Pussy I didn't deserve. Because a lot of women had never slept with a white redhead and were just like, I'm curious.

[Mall]

Yeah, exactly.

[Rory]

Bunch of pussy I didn't deserve. So I think I'd get a lot of prison rape that I don't deserve. But I'd be a commodity.

[Damaris]

They gonna whistle at you and call you Fire crotch.

[Mall]

What?

[Damaris]

Fire Crotch. They wanna see if the curtains match the drapes.

[Rory]

Unfortunately, they'd be a little disappointed. Cause it's hardwood floors and that's shower time. You have hardwood shave. Shaving your pews in prison would be the funniest thing. Yeah, what you doing, man? That's what you're using your razor.

[Mall]

Your manscaping in prison is wild. What you doing? What you mean? Like, what you shaving in prison for? What's the point of that?

[Damaris]

Maybe, I don't know.

[Mall]

You ain't got no action. Ain't nobody finna come in here and see you. Unless, I mean, you went through some other shit in prison. I don't know. That's.

[Rory]

You know, Luigi was getting his haircuts and shit.

[Mall]

He been in there for two weeks.

[Rory]

But. But Luigi, Luigi. First of all, what they said about Luigi. We don't know that this is a fact going off the news that never lies to us. He's a bicurious Italian Ivy League graduate. He definitely has a very interesting pubic area. And how he chooses to. To shape it up. Italians are hairy.

[Mall]

I don't know how you know. I don't know how you got to that math, but, you know, it's all good.

[Damaris]

He probably got a little landing strip.

[Rory]

Something. Yeah, something interesting.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

Something a little like vintage 90s to, you know, mix it up. But he's been getting. But he's been getting haircuts.

[Mall]

They said he's been in there two weeks. How many haircuts is he getting? He's been in jail two weeks. They just caught that nigga two weeks ago. How many haircuts are you getting in two weeks?

[Rory]

That's hilarious. Well, I don't know how we even got on the prison rape, but over the holidays, let's not avoid the actual elephant in the entire room. Maul needs to come clean and apologize to everyone in this room.

[Damaris]

Why he gonna gaslight you and say, oh, I didn't know it was only on Netflix. Watch.

[Mall]

Oh, that. We spoke about that off camera.

[Rory]

Let's set it up.

[Mall]

Oh, my God.

[Rory]

Weeks and weeks ago, when Beyonce had announced she would be performing on Netflix, Houston, what's. Is it the Astros anymore? The Dome? Houston Texans, Ratliff Stadium, whatever Is in Friday Night Lights. She performed at halftime. You said it would surpass the mark of the super bowl watch numbers, which we looked up, which I think was averaged around in the 80 millions. And Beyonce did, from what I understand, 27. Or did the entire day do 27 with Mariah Carey opening up the Steelers game or whatever it was.

[Damaris]

No, she did 27 during her halftime performance.

[Rory]

Okay, that's incredible.

[Mall]

Incredible. And did I not sit in here when we were off camera and say, oh, I didn't realize it was exclusive. Only Netflix.

[Rory]

But you knew that.

[Mall]

I didn't know that.

[Rory]

That was the whole thing. We even talked about. This is a crazy shift. If Netflix ends up getting the TV rights down the line, that changes everything. We had a whole conversation. It's okay to say that it was nowhere near what was gonna happen with Not Like Us in February.

[Damaris]

You literally said you were like, oh, Netflix better not crash how they did with Jake, Paul and whatchamac. Beyonce. That was like your first sentence.

[Mall]

Yeah, but I still didn't. Because when I think it was me and Peach was in here, but he. We was talking about it, and I was like, oh, so this is exclusively. These games are only on Netflix this day? And he was like, yeah. I was like, oh, shit. See, I didn't know that. And I really didn't. But that's neither here nor there. Of course, it didn't surpass those numbers. But the stat. The. The point I was Trying to make was the performance aspect of it.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

This is essentially like performing after Michael Jackson. Who wants to get on stage after Mike?

[Rory]

Okay. I respect that you are shifting the narrative to take any accountability and that you were definitely wrong of Beyonce surpassing any super bowl numbers. With that said.

[Mall]

Cool.

[Rory]

I will now come to this new conversation, which is, of course, Kendrick Lamar is not going to outperform Beyonce, Knowles Carter at any live performance. And this being a performance of Beyonce's that didn't have all her hit records, may be my favorite Beyonce performance I've ever seen in my fucking life.

[Mall]

Really?

[Rory]

This shit should be in the Smithsonian of live performances. It was so fucking good. I don't care if you call me a dick rider. I. I like to watch Legends on Christmas Day perform better than everyone else.

[Mall]

No, I thought it was amazing.

[Rory]

That shit was insane.

[Mall]

I thought it was amazing.

[Rory]

It didn't matter. I knew the songs because I really do. Like Cowboy Carter. Play it often was even in my Spotify shit. Even if you didn't know any of those fucking songs, every single record hit with a new performance. It was incredible. It was a masterclass. I can't think of the last time I saw a performance that good, including Beyonce at the Super Bowl. This was better than her Bruno Martian, even though it's a little unfair because there was a lot of other factors in that.

[Damaris]

She also had her own super bowl, though. I feel like y'all keep forgetting that.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah, that's true.

[Damaris]

She reunited Destiny.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And I still think this was better. I saw on the Run, too, which was one of my favorite shows in person. If she had this type of energy for an entire concert, I think it could be on the Run, too. And maybe I'm having way too much of a hot take in real time. That was one of the best performances I have ever seen.

[Mall]

I love the fact that she incorporated, you know, a lot of the young country artists. Black country artists. I thought that was amazing.

[Damaris]

The first black rodeo queen from Arkansas, if I'm not mistaken. She had her on one of the floats. Yeah, Blue B was there. Whenever I say, I yell louder for Blue than Beyonce.

[Rory]

It was definitely a nice surprise when Blue just came in the frame was like, blue.

[Damaris]

Yup. It's so nice to see her. She does such a good job.

[Rory]

And only for the real Beyhive. It was nice to see Ashley the dance captain. Right. When I saw Ashley and Blue, I was. Blew my beehive fucking mind. Felt like 2016 all over again.

[Mall]

Nah, she looked great. She sounded great. Seen a lot of people online saying that Beyonce wasn't singing. Let me just assure y'all, she wasn't. That Beyonce was definitely singing. But I thought the performance was. Was dope. I just. I think everything just looked perfect. The. The costumes, the choreography. Obviously her vocals sounded amazing. I thought it was dope. I thought it was a really, really good show. And back to what I was originally saying was the fact of the performance. How.

[Rory]

That's what you said, man.

[Mall]

That is what I said. I said if he did say that he did.

[Damaris]

He did say that he did.

[Rory]

You would never argue that Kendrick Lamar would not. Would do a better performance than Beyonce.

[Damaris]

That. No, that's not.

[Mall]

I said, if you're Kendrick, are you upset that they booked such a huge artist, a great performer like that, two months before you're due to hit essentially the same stage, which would be a halftime show for the NFL?

[Rory]

I don't know if I'd feel away because it's.

[Mall]

We've never seen this before where somebody performed earlier, like, Christmas Day. That's essentially a bigger artist than the one that has the super bowl halftime show. I don't think we've ever seen that. Yeah, this is something totally different. So I was posing the question of if I'm Kendrick, and I don't know how people don't feel like Kendrick wouldn't feel away about that. Like, any artist would feel away. Like, God damn, I gotta go out here and top that. Like, fuck.

[Damaris]

But I think when it's Beyonce, nobody expects you to top it. It's like, you can't. So nobody really expects you to.

[Mall]

Right. But we've also never seen something to it Christmas Day. The artist that's performing at that halftime show is bigger. Is a bigger artist than the person that has the super bowl halftime. We've never. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong, but I've never seen that.

[Rory]

I'll say this. Let's say if maybe a Travis Scott did Christmas and completely smoked it, like, we know he's a great live performer, but even above what Travis usually does, then I think Kendrick would have more pressure. Like, damn, Tyler killed Christmas because he's a rapper. Yes. I don't know if anyone that's alive could be compared to a Beyonce live show at all. I think everyone that could is passed.

[Mall]

Well, I mean, people. People online killed me. They told me that Travis Scott performs better. They told me that Bruno Mars performs better. They told me that.

[Rory]

Than Beyonce.

[Mall]

Chris Brown performs better. They told me that.

[Rory]

Did one person on Twitter say That or like.

[Mall]

Well, a few people were chiming in. I mean, a lot of people named Chris. And, you know, we. We always give Chris. Well, I. Do y'all think that he's okay?

[Rory]

I just think Quavo's a better dancer.

[Mall]

Yeah. But I always give Chris his flowers for being an incredible performer.

[Damaris]

I do too.

[Mall]

But he was one of the names. He was one of the names that a lot of people online kind of threw in dimensions. But people were running down a whole bunch of names, and I didn't respond. I was like, all right, man. At this point, fuck it. Anybody can perform better than Beyonce. If y'all gon start naming Travis Scott and Bruno Mars, it's like, all right, man.

[Rory]

But you can't win in that Twitter shit, because even though I know some people do have rough holidays and take it out on everyone else by the numbers on Twitter, that couldn't have been the case. Some people are just, like, miserable all the time. Why are you so upset that I enjoyed a Beyonce concert on fucking Christmas Day?

[Mall]

I don't know.

[Rory]

Why does that upset y'all on Twitter? Well, because I tweeted some Ebenezer shit.

[Mall]

She's the best. That. She's the best performer.

[Rory]

Like, I don't think that's a hot take. Yeah, Like, I think that's a pretty sound take.

[Damaris]

What I've learned about Beyonce, and I think this is Mall's same thing point with Drake, but I think it leans more. I think it's very easy with Beyonce because she's a woman. People hate what everybody loves. If some. If everybody loves something, there are some people who are just determined to hate it. They are determined to be the contrarian. And it's annoying, as I see it with Beyonce a lot, they're like, oh, my gosh, she's so overrated. You don't have to like her music, but you don't have to say that her talent is overrated. It's okay. Your favorite artist or favorite singer that you're listening to, your cool little indie artist looks up to Beyonce and probably shit their pants if she was to blow a kiss in the their direction.

[Mall]

I just think it's just.

[Damaris]

Be honest.

[Mall]

I just think it's the fatigue of seeing somebody be great for so long. I think at some point, you kind of want to see somebody else surpass that person and kind of see them. And I. And I understand that, but my thing is at least let it actually happen. At least let somebody come along and really be better. A better performer than Beyonce and be A better artist than Beyonce. Like, let it actually. But don't just start taking who you think is your favorite artists. I'm like, yo, nah. You know Travis Scott, you know he would have smoked that.

[Rory]

And it's like, I mean, I definitely have contrarian tendencies for sure, but I also love greatness. Like, what's. You guys don't want to live in an era where we witness greatness. Like, I'm not a Chiefs fan by any means. I think it's really great to watch Patrick Mahomes possibly become one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. I love that I get to witness that. Yeah, I was alive for the Jordan, but I was such a kid, I didn't get to witness too much of it. I'm not gonna hate the Chiefs because they're winning all the time.

[Mall]

Right?

[Rory]

We get to witness fucking greatness here.

[Mall]

Yeah, but you know, who doesn't want to see?

[Rory]

Even if you didn't listen to Cowboy Carter, what's wrong with seeing a master class and how to perform?

[Mall]

That was my thing. Even if you never heard Cowboy Carter and you saw that performance, if you're into live performance and artistry, you have to have to look at that.

[Rory]

Well, these people aren't into art by any means. They're into opinion. And to Damaris's point, they want to have the opposite opinion of what everyone's saying because they think it garners some type of attention.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

If they say, yeah, Beyonce's performance is great, but why didn't she address Diddy during the performance? Like, now. You all right, man? Like, I can't even have a conversation with you, like. Okay, but what about Epstein? What?

[Mall]

She's on the flight log.

[Rory]

So are you.

[Mall]

Isn't on that, but shout out to Beyonce. She definitely did her thing.

[Damaris]

Did you guys watch the football games? Yeah, the actual games.

[Rory]

I did miss Mariah Carey. And I'm not here to start an argument.

[Damaris]

It was a pre recorded performance.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Damaris]

She mouth. She didn't even record. She mouthed the lyrics. Yeah, the Steelers stressed me out so bad, and I remembered why I stopped being a Steeler.

[Mall]

You a Steelers fan?

[Damaris]

Yeah, I was always a Steelers fan. I stopped watching football during the boycott, and then my cousin got drafted to the Giants. So I was like, okay, well, I'll go. That's when I started watching football again.

[Rory]

You agreed with police brutality after he was drafted.

[Mall]

Naturally.

[Rory]

Then you're like, you know what I mean? Come on.

[Mall]

Black lives matter.

[Rory]

But I thought, we're past. We're past kneeling Giants.

[Mall]

Giants are playing Black lives matter. But Giants are playing like, I get it.

[Rory]

They put end racism in the end zone.

[Mall]

Yeah, they did.

[Damaris]

I've been problem solved into watching the Steelers and, you know, try to see Russell do some good things, but it was tough.

[Rory]

Are you a Steelers fan because of. It's usually your dad that makes you a Steelers fan.

[Damaris]

No, I'm not a Cowboys fan. My mother's a Giants fan.

[Mall]

How did you end up with the Steelers? Who you liked?

[Rory]

Big Rotha Smith?

[Damaris]

Well, when I was. When I was. I had a crush on Troy Palomalu.

[Mall]

And I became a fan.

[Damaris]

But that. But Troy.

[Mall]

Ben. Smell of conditioner through the screen.

[Damaris]

Yeah. I had the hugest crush on him, but then I actually got into the game, so.

[Mall]

Because. But Troy Palomalu.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I mean, one of the greatest defensive players of all time, so I can't be mad at that at all.

[Mall]

But luxurious here.

[Rory]

Usually when it's Cowboys or Steelers, it's always their dad liked the teams in the 80s. What I've come to find out of people that aren't from Pittsburgh or Dallas. Yeah, it was a good, good Christmas for football. I enjoyed it. Other than that, it was pretty calm.

[Mall]

Yeah, same.

[Rory]

Didn't. Didn't do much of anything at all.

[Damaris]

I turn it up for New Year's Eve. I know I'm in the house, but you.

[Rory]

Okay, somebody.

[Mall]

I'm going to Baby D's house on New Year's Eve.

[Rory]

I'm down.

[Mall]

You're cooking all that? I'm coming in there. I just want to smell it.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Mall]

The food, the food. Because, you know, the Internet will take that and they'll go their way with it. The food. She says she cooking smoked turkey neck.

[Damaris]

And smothered turkey wings.

[Mall]

Smothered turkey wings and rice and peas and baked Mac.

[Damaris]

Nah, I'm not doing Big Mac, y'all.

[Mall]

Noodle potato salad with the paprika on there.

[Damaris]

Nah. Potato salad. Nah, I'm not doing that. I'm not cooking all that. It's just me. Like, damn, it's just me. I am doing a stuffed shrimp, though. Crab stuffed shrimp.

[Rory]

Yeah. And an artist friend of mine texted me yesterday about New Year's Eve plans and sent a whole bunch of locations that there's no way I'm going. We record. I think. Not the next day, but the day after that, sending piss on me. Dubai flyers, Miami, let's go to St. Thomas. All this, where I'm like, yeah, it sounds cool, but I. But I can't do that. Just with time. I'm not gonna say I'll tell you guys off mic, okay? Everyone knows who this person is. That's why I'm not.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

She hit me this morning and said, what if I had two tickets to Mar a Lago on Christmas Eve? I said, how the fuck did you get two tickets to Mar a Lago.

[Mall]

For Christmas Eve party to go see the big Don?

[Rory]

The answer is no. But now I have some questions. I didn't care about us getting shitted on in Dubai. That checks out. That's fine.

[Mall]

Yeah, I understand.

[Rory]

That's part of the game. Emirates, if. If all expenses paid. Yeah, you got to take a little piss in the face. It's whatever. I just got my eyes done. I'll be all right. I'll fit in. But the Mar A Lago plus one was not what I was expecting to close my year out with.

[Mall]

Oh, you should have went.

[Rory]

And part of me, who is not a supporter whatsoever, was a bit curious just to see what it looks like.

[Mall]

Yeah, why not? Oh, you should have went.

[Damaris]

Oh, I would. I would go.

[Mall]

You tripping. You supposed to go to Mar a Lago.

[Rory]

It's a short flight, too.

[Mall]

Yeah, you tripping.

[Rory]

I could. I could make it back to the pot in town.

[Damaris]

He has a family.

[Mall]

Yeah, but he doesn't support Trump, so.

[Rory]

I should support my family.

[Mall]

He got all those votes and nobody supports him.

[Rory]

Who said that?

[Mall]

Who you think he voted for? When he went in that booth, this guy wasn't Kamala.

[Rory]

I could tell you that that's not true. You can look at my tax returns. It's there. It did. It did cross my mind to accept that. That invitation.

[Mall]

See, I would.

[Rory]

What would I do at Mar a Lago outside of. Just tweet.

[Mall]

Lol it. Yeah. Play some pickleball? Golf?

[Rory]

Smoke with Kodak Black.

[Mall]

Yeah. Smoke a cigar or something. Why not?

[Rory]

I don't even think your big guy will be there, though. I think it's just like a party at Mar a Lago.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's how you. That's the best parties. I throw the party at my house, but I'm not there.

[Rory]

It's just a rumor that might be in one of the.

[Mall]

Yo, I think he's here. No, no, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not there.

[Rory]

Yeah. Like, the amount of people that have probably went to. To, like, a Drake party at his house when he was overseas has happened constantly.

[Mall]

That's the best parties. Yeah, go ahead. Party in my house. I'm not there, though.

[Rory]

I would be very curious just to. People watch, to be a Fly on the wall at Mar a Lago would be insane. Yeah, you could take. You could take my ticket. I'll see if Ticketmaster can transfer it over.

[Mall]

Yeah, you could get it from Ticketmaster and then send it to my phone. Do that with tickets all the time.

[Rory]

But you'll have to go with this person.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Damaris]

She a baddie?

[Rory]

Yeah, I think. I think she's very attractive.

[Mall]

I like that.

[Rory]

Mall knows her, though.

[Mall]

Oh, damn.

[Damaris]

Damn.

[Mall]

That means she don't. She don't want me to go.

[Damaris]

You would never. None of Rory. Friends.

[Mall]

When you define friends, it's a good point.

[Damaris]

His friend like his own girls.

[Rory]

Associates.

[Mall]

Associates.

[Damaris]

The ones he haven't clapped.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah, I knocked those right down. Yeah, it was like he didn't hit. Is she cute? Why not? Okay. Yeah.

[Rory]

I keep a good circle of women that have really good hearts and intentions. That's why you would.

[Mall]

Because great women. I love great women.

[Damaris]

That's a good. That's a compliment to you. It means you keep baddies around you.

[Mall]

Yeah, why not?

[Rory]

Well, I think they're. They have better character and they're funny and can bring a lot to conversation.

[Mall]

And they look good. You put that in there too? All of those things? Yes.

[Rory]

Moss probably clapped a few of my friends in 2024. I just didn't know about it. No, because I was inside the whole year.

[Mall]

I did not clap any of your in 2012. Yo. What? I know it's been a lot of going on this year, but why would you make associates?

[Rory]

I feel like you probably have.

[Mall]

No.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I know.

[Rory]

Too many money bag evidence that I've seen. Like how even know that girl?

[Mall]

Yeah, but that don't mean I clap, cuz she came across my algorithm. Yeah, that means I hit maybe N.

[Damaris]

I don't think M puts money bags under the women that he's actually sleeping with.

[Rory]

I think he does that to throw us off.

[Mall]

No, there.

[Rory]

Someone puts it under everyone.

[Mall]

Now, some of them, Some of them, we've. We've had some nights together, but not some Margo nights. But that's not me marking my. My territory. Nothing like that. Like, that's not that. No, I mean, it's beautiful women. Somebody got it.

[Damaris]

You know, I've gotten money bags before, so I know it's not that.

[Mall]

Yeah, I'm not that guy. You know that. I'm not the thirsty guy that's like trying to be in everybody's face. I'm not that guy.

[Rory]

But we. We've known his strategy at this point. He puts them under everyone's picture so it doesn't look like that. We don't think he smashed Mizzy. Like, who is that rapper? Never mind. Oh, fucking with you. Anyway, we did get some good music right before the end of the year, which I didn't expect because I thought everyone was just gonna be quiet because everything shuts down. And shout out to SZA for even getting mixes added to DSPs during Christmas time. Love Scissors Project Jack Harlow put out. I wouldn't call it a freestyle per se, but it's. It's a great record. Can we get the actual name of that?

[Damaris]

It's called Tranquility.

[Rory]

Tranquility with a visual. It's like 230. I think Jack is rapping on it. I thought it was a cool way to close out the year to say that, you know, I have music coming at this point.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Tackled a few things that I saw the timeline in their feelings about which is going to happen. He brought up a credibility line and saying, I don't really care who gives me credibility. I'm feeling me that. That ruffled the real hip hop Twitter, which they don't get ruffled as much as they used to. They couldn't wait to tear up Jack Harlow's white ass after that. We're the only ones that could give you credibility, Jack.

[Mall]

So Jack feels like he doesn't get mentioned enough. Yeah. And he said enough respect.

[Rory]

He's at a point in his career where he does not care anymore about who is giving him any credibility.

[Mall]

Oh, that means he cares 100% when they get to that. I don't even care no more. You know, I just. It's from the heart. The art is from the heart. It's like, nigga, cut it out. You care if. If they. We ain't got you on our list. If we ain't got you in our conversations, you definitely care about that. We ain't gonna act like you don't care. Every artist, every creator wants to be recognized for their art. Wants to be recognized for how dope they are. Now. I can understand that not being all you care about, but you care about that.

[Rory]

I think Jack probably got more of the quote, unquote, hip hop credibility before his run with Come Home, the kids miss you. When he had fucking huge records and the Drake feature, it was quiet in 2024 for him. And I think in a good way, I think him taking a break, especially with everything that was going on for the year, this is the best strategy. Jackman 2023 was good. He got back to soul beats and just rapping. But that just felt like a. Hey, I know I was a pop star for all of 2022. I could still rap. He did it for the people. That would give him credibility. But I feel like it went kind of under the radar compared to what had happened the year before, which can put you in an odd place. With Jackman. He said he didn't really want to do the come home, the kids miss you huge records anymore. I just want to rap. But that didn't go the best way because you were a superstar at that point.

[Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

I think this is one of those. I'm kind of confused, but in a good way of where my career wants to go.

[Mall]

Well, this is. You know, artists tend to do this a lot where they have success, and then they put out another project that it was okay. Didn't have the success as the. The previous project.

[Rory]

And I don't know, do we count? I mean, Jackman was an album. It's 13. Yeah.

[Mall]

That was records.

[Rory]

31 minutes. That. That's an album.

[Mall]

That's an album.

[Rory]

But coming off what he had done a few months prior, it felt like a. Hey, this is also for more of my core fan base. It didn't. There was no rollout. There was no single.

[Mall]

There's no still album, though.

[Rory]

True. Still, an album is discography.

[Mall]

So I think sometimes, you know, artists get in their zone where they. They start speaking to, you know, what they're reading online. Like, people saying, oh, that last effort was a little lackluster. It wasn't that hard. And then now you give us a freestyle kind of addressing those, you know, conversations and things that you're seeing people say. For me personally, though, with Jack Harlow, I'm still a little indifferent about him, though. Like, I like Jack Harlow, but I'm not sure if I'm like, I like Jack Harlow. I'm not sure if I would go to a Jack Harlow show.

[Rory]

I tried. They wouldn't let me in.

[Mall]

Well, yeah, you. You can't go to a show.

[Rory]

It's on my way.

[Mall]

But it's like, I recognize the talent. I think he has some good records. I think he has some good bars. And anytime I see, like, you know, him in interviews speaking, he seems like. He seems like a pretty cool guy.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

But it's something. It's just. It's something. I don't know if it's because I don't know enough of his story, like, his life, his. It's something that I can't connect with with Jack Harlow, but I recognize the Talent that is there.

[Rory]

Well, he kind of had the catch 22 of success. Like even sweet action. That's what they all say. That was more of like the Jack mixtape when he was, you know, fully being guided by drama. Even more on the mixtape side, he was doing suede freestyles. Like he definitely shifted into what would be more of a Drake lane once he caught that first single. And then his identity shifted. Cause Jack was a rapper for someone like me to listen to prior to Come Home, the kids miss you. And then his whole fan base shifted to like younger girls. So he didn't really have an identity during that album and then tried to come out of that back to his original identity. And now all the younger kids are confused on who the he is. And even with what was the single Love it on Me that came out at the end of 2023, I thought it was great and it was a good follow up. Like, oh, Jack's back on Radio Hit Records. Thought it was great.

[Mall]

But wasn't that a sample?

[Rory]

Yeah, but I mean, so was his. So was Nail Tech and the other record. Yeah, so that's First Class and Nail Tech are both.

[Mall]

That's so. I think so that can. That can hinder an artist. Like when you're quote unquote, biggest records are samples.

[Rory]

And those kids didn't know those samples though.

[Mall]

I mean, but it's. They. They know it. They may not know it, but they.

[Rory]

They heard that melody worked because that melody has checked out for 20 years. And it's. We know it works because we've seen it work.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

These young kids would say, that's Jack Harlow fully. They wouldn't even go down the rabbit hole of what those samples would be. So I just think he's kind of has and this outside looking in. Even my talks with Drama Lake Canon, nothing to do with how I view this. I think he's having an identity crisis and was talking about it in this freestyle, which I think is great. I love when artists do that type of shit. And even taking accountability at the end and saying, I don't think I've even made great shit yet. He sounds confused about his. How he views his own career. Like, yeah, I was the number one artist in 2023. Did every fucking tour, sold everything. I don't really know who the fuck I am at this point. But anyway, what does it look like in 2025 after having an album like Come Home, the kids miss you and then Jackman right after that. Those are two completely different artists. And that's where you get your perspective of, I don't really know who the fuck this guy is.

[Mall]

But that's what.

[Rory]

You're going from different. Different fan bases to different fan bases. And only a few artists have been super successful in doing that, and that's been artists like Drake, this artist like Rihanna. They have been able to go from different fan base to different fan base and grab everyone. That's tough for someone that just flat out raps.

[Mall]

But even.

[Rory]

That's Jack.

[Mall]

Even the Jack, The. The. The tranquility of the video he shot.

[Rory]

Mm.

[Mall]

By myself. Gloomy, rainy, out walking through the city. Nobody knows me. I don't even know myself. Mm. You producing that type of. You know, you gave Lake the treatment.

[Rory]

I mean, you shot that on the iPhone.

[Mall]

But it's like. I mean, Jack, he got movies, right?

[Rory]

Yeah, he did the White Man Can't Jump, and he did.

[Mall]

He's a star.

[Rory]

What's the one with God with Matt Damon? He got killed pretty quick, but he was great.

[Mall]

I mean, I think that Jack Harlow has been, you know, he's been fortunate enough to get opportunities that place him in a certain star caliber. When you start to get movies, lead roles in movies and things like that, you know, that's them propping you up like, yo, you're a star, and we're gonna get you there. But now you put out a freestyle, speaking to, you know what he's speaking to. And then just the aesthetic of it alone. No crew, no homies. It's just me walking around the city, raining, getting my thoughts together. Maybe I'm depressed. Maybe I took a shower today, maybe I didn't. That's not real, you know, I know.

[Rory]

That that's not the consensus of the frustration.

[Mall]

I know that aesthetic. I know when rappers get that, I might have showered, I might not have showered aesthetic. I know that aesthetic.

[Rory]

There was a bit of a walk of shame. This was my outfit last night from a meatpacking club.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And I caught a lick with a chick that had some money. And now I'm leaving in the morning.

[Mall]

I gotta stop speaking with girls just for sexes. And I feel empty once she gets in her Uber and leaves, like. And I'm looking at my ceiling like, what was that for? You know, he giving. That's that for?

[Elliot Wilson]

Yeah.

[Mall]

It's like, yo, what was that for? Like, I don't even know that girl.

[Rory]

After that morning piss. And then you look in her mirror like, what's wrong with you?

[Mall]

Yeah, like, why?

[Rory]

What time is it? You don't even know what you like again.

[Mall]

You do this again. You said this was the last time. The last time you got that aesthetic right now.

[Rory]

Which makes sense though with the. With the years he's had. I'm sure that was a crazy 180 in his life from 2022 to 2023. Yeah. Became the biggest rapper in the world.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Some could argue.

[Mall]

So was he. Was he ready for it?

[Rory]

Probably not.

[Mall]

That's honest.

[Rory]

Probably not. Just because he was making good music. But not music that appeared like you were trying your best to catch one. Like nail tech and all that. I do like, because it sounds like Jack probably would have just made that record and it happened to catch. That's why I do respect it. I don't think unless you're sitting there like with the mind state of I have to catch one, you're ready for a complete 180 in your life. From Sway freestyles to now I am the biggest rapper. This is Arena. I'm selling out the Barclays and within one year. Yeah, that's a. I wouldn't. I wouldn't know what that feels like. But I could imagine it's an insane 180. And Jack to me isn't really that type of guy. Why you say he comes across kind of as like a down to earth regular guy. I believe that. So it's probably very odd.

[Mall]

I believe it too. It's just something. It's just something about Jack Harlow that I can't.

[Rory]

The label. He brought up Julie Greenwald, which I don't even think works at Atlantic anymore, which I thought was odd. I was like, did he record this before Lucian's son took over? I don't know anyone's deal, so don't quote me. Everyone asking, where's this shit at? And then you deliver something like Lovin it, which is in that vein. I'm glad he just chilled for a second because if he stayed with that, it's like, all right, this is gonna be nail tech first class kid for the rest of his life if he keeps doing these type of records.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I'm glad he took damn near the whole year off. I love the record he did with Dave. They were both rapping they asses off. Like, I think Jack has actually made smart moves since the Jackman album. I'm excited to see what happens. But I'm with you too. A lot of stuff doesn't connect because I feel like it's probably for younger kids. But that's not a bad thing. It's just I'm old as fuck.

[Mall]

Well, we fuck with Jack Harlow. And you know, we want to see him do. Do great things because I do think he's talented. It's just something that I can't connect to Jack yet.

[Rory]

I'm going to give you one last opportunity before the year is up to shit on Kendrick Lamar.

[Mall]

I don't want.

[Rory]

I'm fucking with you.

[Mall]

I don't want to shit on just.

[Rory]

How could we close the year? Did you hear Tyler's freestyle over? Hey, now put a visual out too.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I absolutely loved it, but, you know, I'm a. A Tyler Dick rider. According to you guys.

[Mall]

Anytime you support somebody.

[Rory]

Of course.

[Mall]

Dick ride.

[Rory]

I enjoyed a Beyonce show on Christmas.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I thought it was a missed opportunity for the real one. This is one of those remixes. Like, damn, if that would have been on gnx.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

That verse is. That took that song to a whole another level. I wish that was, like, on the album. And you can. You can replace, like, there's no more rules.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Scissors. Uploading different mixes. I love it. If there's a better version of this song and you could shift it out. Bet. Let's do it. If you refresh vultures right now, 1 and 2, I'm sure there's 10 new songs.

[Mall]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

I was listening to that. 5:30 is one of my favorite new Kanye records. It's a whole new song. Like the. You finished the second verse?

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Make the official one with Tyler.

[Mall]

You think?

[Rory]

Just swap it out. There's no rules anymore with the streaming? Nope. Yeah, there'll be a few people on Twitter saying, that's not hip hop. You can't do that. The rules are different. We're in a different era. Why can't the official version now of an incredible verse that takes a record to a whole nother level that's not on gnx, like, that type of feel. Make it official. Give Tyler 25 pub and put it up on streaming.

[Mall]

Nah. Because then it goes against the whole portrait that Kendrick was painting.

[Rory]

Tyler's from the west coast.

[Mall]

Now they're saying you got to listen to the album in reverse. Did you see that think piece I did?

[Rory]

Yes.

[Damaris]

Oh, God, that's a classic one.

[Mall]

You gotta listen to it in reverse.

[Rory]

But Dan was in reverse.

[Mall]

Not only do you gotta listen to it in reverse, you gotta be driving in reverse while you listen.

[Rory]

But wouldn't that offset the reverse? Cause that's like a double negative I hate. So you have to go. You have to do K turns counterclockwise while listening.

[Mall]

You gotta drive like Sonny in a Bronx tail and listen to GNX from In reverse. And then that's how you gonna really get the full picture of what Kendrick was trying to.

[Rory]

I actually didn't see those think pieces. I know Damn was meant to be in reverse, which I thought was really cool. Is that what they're saying?

[Mall]

That's what I'm seeing. They saying n y not listen. You think I listen to it in reverse? Me in my eyes and tell me that you think that I listen to Kendrick's album in reverse.

[Damaris]

Do they mean, like, in reverse, or do they mean, like, the last song first?

[Rory]

Yeah, I think that's what they mean.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Mall]

Yeah. Start at the last song and go to the.

[Rory]

I can see that whacked out murals. Could be a cool outro. And Glory could be a good intro. Yeah, I can see that.

[Mall]

I'm not saying I don't see it. I'm just saying I just laugh at when I see those thing pieces on Twitter and then the people that chime in, like, duh, y'all didn't even see the teaser on YouTube. I'm like, all right, man, I just want to listen to music, but don't do that.

[Rory]

That's always been a music thing. Like, even when, I don't know, was it the Pink Floyd records that you would have to go in reverse? And, like, that's Led Zeppelin was doing demonic.

[Mall]

When you listen to Tupac song slow, it says, suge shot me. I get it. I was there. I was in that era.

[Rory]

I did that as a kid multiple times. Even slowed it down on my little boombox thing. He did not say. He didn't say suge shabby. I tried to convince myself he said it and still was like, he's not saying that I was even lying to my friends. Like, nah, he's saying that shit. And in my head, he's not saying that shit.

[Mall]

I'm not saying that it's okay to just listen to music and just relax, man. God damn. All these think. Everybody thinking, God, just turn the thinking. Everybody shut the fuck.

[Rory]

There's nothing wrong with think pieces and people that are thinking. I think that's important. It's when people wouldn't have thought about this if it wasn't popular.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, it's like, you don't need to think piece if you wouldn't have thought about this to begin with.

[Mall]

Yeah, man, I. It is what it is, man. But shout out to everybody, man.

[Rory]

Shout out.

[Mall]

2024 was a great year. Lot of fun.

[Damaris]

Was terrible, bro. What is you talking about?

[Mall]

N 2024 was lit, man. Don't do that.

[Damaris]

I hated this year.

[Mall]

Why you hated it, Baby D. A lot of reasons.

[Damaris]

I hated this. I'm ready for this to end.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Here's the thing. I've. I've never been the hater of New Year. New me. If that's what it takes to do a reset, cool. I like that.

[Mall]

But you're saying Baby D got the slogan for 25 new. New Dick, new Year, New dick. Sitting and spitting.

[Rory]

Sitting and spitting.

[Mall]

Sitting and fucking spitting.

[Rory]

If the year is. Is over tomorrow, it's still going to be like the same time. Like, it doesn't reset tomorrow. It's still going to just be a continuous. What you're going through at the moment. Damn.

[Damaris]

Like, you just like.

[Elliot Wilson]

Yeah.

[Mall]

You see the juju he threw on you for 25.

[Damaris]

Like, you wish that.

[Mall]

Why you wish that on her. 25. The same energy from 24. You wish.

[Rory]

Can't change until you change yourself. That's what I'm trying to say. I know.

[Damaris]

That's why I'm changing myself.

[Mall]

High elevation.

[Rory]

That's what Big told Puff. I saw it on Notorious right before he dies. What he said right before.

[Damaris]

Yo, Notorious is really a good movie, though. It really is a good movie.

[Rory]

It's definitely. It's definitely not bad. I like it. I just felt like it was too soon.

[Mall]

Oh, man. We might have stumbled upon, like, we were all.

[Rory]

We were. We were just there. Just happened.

[Mall]

We got. We stumbled upon our next Happened.

[Damaris]

It came out 20 years after that happened. What are you talking about?

[Rory]

There was just so many people alive to consult on it that weren't like. That's why it felt weird. Like we could ask the people right now. They right here and they didn't. So I don't know if it was like the real.

[Damaris]

They asked Puff. Puff, like, damn near ran the movie. Right?

[Rory]

That's why everyone that could tell the real story was fucking upset. They didn't even ask his mom.

[Mall]

Yeah, that was crazy. That was wild.

[Rory]

Like, no, you know, Cease is still a lot sees right here. Drock right there.

[Mall]

Right here.

[Damaris]

Kim. Right here, too.

[Elliot Wilson]

You all.

[Damaris]

You got some.

[Rory]

You have a whole main character. Kim. You can ask her. She could be on set and tell you what happened. Crazy Mary J. Somebody.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Kim says she didn't like the way that they portray her. They just portray her like she was just like some side chick. She said she ain't like that.

[Rory]

Here's the. I saw when Kim said all that. I don't think they did a bad job with Kim. It didn't Seem like she was a side chick. It felt like, what the we know to be the truth. He was fucking with both them. Seriously. He just happened to marry one of them. But he was very much committed to Kim at the time.

[Mall]

Yeah, I ain't gonna lie. We might. To go back, we might have to go down the list of, like, best worst rap movies.

[Damaris]

Straight out of Compton or Notorious.

[Rory]

Straight out of Compton.

[Mall]

Better movie.

[Rory]

I don't even think it's cool.

[Mall]

Straight out of Compton.

[Damaris]

Y'all bugging, y'all.

[Mall]

The Compton is a better movie.

[Damaris]

Y'all bugging.

[Rory]

Yeah, y'all are bugging. Can you explain why you think if.

[Damaris]

You listening to this right in the comments, you bugging? Nah, bro. No.

[Rory]

And I'm not even gonna make this a Puff thing, but he made himself seem like Morpheus in a Versace.

[Mall]

You know what is. I'mma watch it because, like, you saying that, but, like, my. My initial reaction is, is Straight out of Compton. But it's been a while since I seen Notorious.

[Damaris]

Notorious is a good movie.

[Rory]

No, it's a good movie.

[Damaris]

I, like, remove Puff's ego from, like, watching it. Like, Puff really, like, if you remove his ego from it, it is a very enjoyable. I. I really enjoyed it. I enjoy Straight out of Compton.

[Mall]

Who played Puff?

[Rory]

Derek Luke.

[Mall]

That's why I didn't like that movie.

[Rory]

He did a good job as Puff. Again, Notorious is good, but it's not Straight Out.

[Mall]

It was like his. It was the way he was saying it was like. You ain't never talked like that.

[Rory]

That's what I said. He's like. He thought he was Morpheus in a Versace.

[Mall]

Yeah. I remember now that we thinking about it, I'm like, it was something about Notorious that I remember when I was watching. Like, I don't like the way somebody was talking.

[Damaris]

We can't. We can't change the world, so we change ourselves.

[Rory]

Big.

[Mall]

Yeah, I don't think it went like that.

[Rory]

Like, I don't think that's how they got it.

[Mall]

I don't think it went like that.

[Damaris]

How you gonna tell the person that was there that that ain't how?

[Mall]

I just don't think it went like that. Like, I gotta.

[Rory]

And I've watched Rest in Peace To See and Clark Ken. I've watched all of their interviews about Big. They were there. Grew up with Big. At one point, Puff never said to him, yo, my daddy was out here hustling these streets, so you gotta stop now. And Big was like, I never even thought of it that way. Puff. I'M a stop. He didn't listen to Puff at all. He kept selling drugs in Virginia. And that's another thing that didn't happen that way.

[Mall]

I don't like those movies where they keep saying each other's name when they talking to each other. Like they supposed to remind us that that's Puff and then that's big. I've never talked to Rory and was like, yo, yo. You know what I'm saying, Rory.

[Rory]

I mean, I guess never done that screenwriting. I don't know. Maybe you're supposed to. I just hate.

[Mall]

Yo, I hate. We know that's supposed to be Puff. We know this is supposed to be big. Stop saying each other's names when y'all talking to each other. I don't know, I just look at movies like that.

[Damaris]

You know what? I never really thought about that. But we don't really say each other. I say you guys names, but I guess men don't really say each other's names like that.

[Mall]

I have never had a conversation with Rory and was like, yo, I ain't gonna lie. You know, we gotta what we got to do, Rory.

[Rory]

That's cuz we not saying profound things like, we got to change ourselves before.

[Mall]

Who does that? Like, I don't talk. I'm talking about your homie like a. You talk to every day. You don't talk to him like that. Now, if it's somebody you know, I guess later on this episode, Elliot, I might say Y. You know what I'm saying, Elliot, I might do that. Because me and Elliot, we don't talk and we don't hang out like that. But if it's my man I'm with every day in the studio, making music, traveling the world, performing. So I'm not having.

[Damaris]

What do you call them?

[Mall]

I just talk to them like, yo, we gotta, y'all, we gotta. We gotta do something else, man. I ain't gonna lie. This. This going crazy. What we gonna do, man? I don't be like, yo, I ain't gonna lie, though. I don't feel like, yo, Rory.

[Damaris]

I think it's because Rory name, though.

[Mall]

Anybody. Damaris. I have never had a conversation with you, Damaris.

[Damaris]

You say Baby D. You call me Baby D a lot. It's just Roy. Rory got that name. Don't nobody want to say that.

[Mall]

Peace. Do I say your name when I talk to you?

[Damaris]

Yeah, he just did.

[Rory]

What's because.

[Mall]

No, I'm directing the question to you, but I'm just saying, do I like.

[Rory]

If it's just you Two in the studio. You're. He's not saying peach at the end of every sentence.

[Mall]

Yeah, I don't, I just don't. I don't. That's not a natural thing in conversation.

[Rory]

I mean, I don't know. That's maybe screenplay that we're not aware of to. For people's attention spans and like characters.

[Mall]

I could just be nitpicking, but it was, it was something about Notorious when it came out. And I remember watching like maybe two or three times and it was something that I just was like, I can't, I just can't get into the movie like that because something was pissing me off. So I gotta watch it again. And I'm gonna remember exactly what it was. But my knee jerk response to Notorious or Straight Outta Compton is straight out of Compton.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

I thought it was funny. Everyone aged and Notorious except for Cease, he was always a 12 year old child the entire movie. Everybody grew up, sees character, same actor the entire time.

[Mall]

The funny shit is that character is a grown man. Like that actor he played young 50.

[Rory]

And get Richard.

[Mall]

I try great actor grow bad.

[Rory]

Like they had 12 year old sees because accurate. They got in a car accident when Big broke his leg. Yeah, they got 12 year old Ceez like under.

[Mall]

They don't know why they got an accident. He couldn't see over the wheel.

[Rory]

And if it's accurate, the way after Pac got shot and Big tried to call him and Puff grabbed the phone and was like, don't do it Big. My man's facing a rape charge. You can't even call him, see? And Big was like, damn, Puff, I never even thought about that.

[Mall]

See, what would that have to do. Anyway, baby D, I gotta go watch this.

[Damaris]

That's not what he said though. He said chill. He got that rape case, you know, he not thinking right. And then.

[Rory]

So let me call my mans and tell him he is bugging. You have inaccurate information. I did not set you up. Up. Yeah, and I'm also not gonna tell you who set you up. Because I got nothing to do with this. And I want to stay far the away from it.

[Mall]

I'm gonna watch it again.

[Rory]

It's a great movie.

[Mall]

I'm gonna watch it again.

[Rory]

They shouldn't have cut off that. That other nude scene with Lil Kim when she was in the pool. Go look at the deleted scenes. Crazy.

[Mall]

Yo, calm your loins.

[Rory]

Nah.

[Mall]

What's up with you?

[Rory]

I'm glad, I'm glad she got that roll empowering and kept giving us some content. Yeah, because her Scenes were crazy.

[Mall]

His loins is on fire, ain't they? Would you call them hot crotch?

[Damaris]

Fire crotch?

[Mall]

Fire crotch.

[Rory]

Hot crotch is way funnier. Hot crotch is hilarious. I might have to start a brand called Hot. I'm gonna sell crock pots and call it that.

[Mall]

Now you sound like hot crotches.

[Rory]

It's an awfully hot car.

[Mall]

That's an awfully hot crotch. Not.

[Rory]

But yes. Straight Outta Compton is a better movie.

[Mall]

I think so. I'm gonna watch. I'm gonna watch Notorious again for you. Damn.

[Rory]

Notorious. Better than. Look at you.

[Damaris]

See?

[Rory]

See, there's not very many rap movies to begin with. That's why I don't want to save this for, like, a Patreon. What about actual, real rap shit? What is there All Eyes on Me.

[Damaris]

He wasn't a real rapper.

[Rory]

That was, like, loosely based off Eminem's life story, which he said it wasn't. So I don't think, like, eight Mile counts. Get Richard. I trying the same way. He said that wasn't really his life.

[Mall]

All right, so we. All right, so we got to just make it Best rap movies.

[Rory]

Okay, but, I mean, people were rapping in Juice. Is it a rap movie?

[Mall]

Pac is in it.

[Rory]

He didn't rap.

[Damaris]

Not a rap movie. Pac is in.

[Rory]

He just killed his friends.

[Damaris]

Poetic Justice.

[Mall]

Queen Latifah's in it.

[Rory]

She didn't rap, though.

[Mall]

I mean, some rap is in there, though.

[Rory]

That's racist. You just think any black movies are rap movies. Not watching Billow Rousey.

[Mall]

Juice is not a rap movie.

[Damaris]

Y'all might have to open it up to just, like, biopics.

[Mall]

Period iopics. Bio.

[Rory]

And this could sound terrible. What? Besides All Eyes on Me, Notorious Straight out of Compton. Am I missing another one?

[Damaris]

A rap one? No, not that I can think of.

[Mall]

Get Richard Dodge Ryan.

[Rory]

No, he said. I mean, it's loosely. That wasn't. Come on.

[Mall]

He performed. He performed one of his real singles at the end of the movie.

[Rory]

That's because it was on the sound. The whole movie is him rapping things that end up on the soundtrack. He's just a good businessman. Like, when it rains, it pours. When he's in prison. That was on the album.

[Mall]

Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. So that's a. That's a rap move.

[Rory]

He never killed Prem in a hallway before he stepped on Pelham Bay stage to perform. Terrence Howard didn't just casually take out a gun and kill Supreme.

[Mall]

I understand that, but what I'm saying is that was loosely based on A.

[Rory]

Real cat's not his dad.

[Mall]

A real rapper's like life.

[Rory]

He was from the Bronx.

[Mall]

I don't know, man. I think we could do it, though.

[Rory]

You think his name. His real name was Young Caesar.

[Mall]

No. No. In fact, I know it wasn't.

[Rory]

I think Get Rich is a classic movie, but I wouldn't call that the 50 Cent story. Nor would I call 8 Mile, the Eminem story.

[Mall]

But how could you not call it the 50 cent story? When he got shot, literally in his face was rapping with a. His voice was different. Every. That's literally what happened to 50.

[Rory]

I think he pulled certain things from his life.

[Mall]

Of course he did.

[Rory]

But just because he got shot. Plenty of people get shot. Doesn't make it the 50 Cent story.

[Mall]

No. See, you doing this thing that you like to do. Yes. Plenty of people get shot. That's a fact. Nobody's saying because you get shot, it makes it the 50 Cent story.

[Rory]

Nobody from his internal crew fucking bang him. Smurf didn't shoot him. Like, it's a whole different storyline. His man shot him. That betrayed him. And that whole.

[Mall]

This is where loosely based comes in at Rory.

[Rory]

I just think it's completely.

[Mall]

It's not. It's not a documentary.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

It's loosely based. I think get richard.tron is definitely a fifty. His life story. Loosely. But let's have that draft, though.

[Damaris]

I don't. There's nothing to draft, though, papa. Best rap movies we just named.

[Rory]

There's only three.

[Damaris]

Seven of them that they had.

[Mall]

Nah, there's more than that, man. Y'all tripping.

[Damaris]

Think of. Name them.

[Mall]

There's more. I mean, we could sit down and do a draft, though. I think we could.

[Damaris]

I think that's why I said doing a biopic draft would be better.

[Rory]

Oh, wait, there's Roxanne. Roxanne. Which was Fire on Netflix.

[Mall]

Incredible.

[Damaris]

Roxanne.

[Rory]

Roxanne was so good.

[Mall]

Incredible.

[Rory]

That might be the. That would rival Straight out of Compton. To me, the only one. But other than that, that's the only ones that are here. I'm trying to go through. Oh, Tupac Resurrection. But that was just a great documentary.

[Mall]

That was a documentary.

[Rory]

Loved it.

[Damaris]

Do we count Michelle A's movie?

[Mall]

Crush Groove, y'all? Ain't.

[Rory]

That ain't no Crush grooves. Yeah, that counts.

[Damaris]

I've never even heard of that.

[Mall]

You never saw Crush. Oh, I forgot. You were so young. Oh, my God.

[Damaris]

You gotta share with the people what it is.

[Mall]

You gotta watch Crush Groove.

[Rory]

Crush groove is an 80s film written by Ralph you got it. And directed by Michael Schultz. Ironic. It's Blair Underwood as a young Russell Simmons in the early days of Def Jam. Russell Simmons was the film's co producer and story consultant. I'm sure he left out a lot of things because he was the consultant and we didn't get an accurate story. What was that show that they canceled on VH1? That was amazing. The Breaks.

[Mall]

I think that sounds familiar. Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

That was loosely based off Russell and the Def Jam shit. They even had a young Nas like, mm, that show was amazing. I wish they kept up with that.

[Mall]

Crush Groove, Baby D, watch Crush Groove.

[Damaris]

Okay, I'm gonna have to check it out. I'm sure my dad knows what it is, so maybe I'll make him watch it with me.

[Mall]

You gotta watch Crush Groove. You gotta watch the Disorderlies with the Fat Boys. Trying to think of another 80s breakin. Gotta watch Breakin. Yeah, start there. That's a good three pack.

[Rory]

I mean, outside of rapper stuff, the New Edition story was great. The TLC movie was great. The Aaliyah movie was Buns. They've done it for outside of rap.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

ATL apparently is one.

[Damaris]

The Jackson's the American Dream might be the best one out of all of them.

[Mall]

Yeah, that was a great, great series. I might watch that every year. They come out every year it's on VH1. I might watch that.

[Damaris]

I haven't seen it in a while. I have to go back and watch it. I never knew that it was a made for TV series because when I was watching it, they would play it like straight through. So I always just thought it was a really long movie when I was growing up.

[Mall]

Yeah, no, it aired on VH1. I think when it first came out.

[Rory]

You know, it would be the craziest series ever. It could not be a movie whatsoever. Just based off everything BG has copped to and who Birdman became. The Cash Money story would be the greatest rap TV series if done right. That story would be insane. The first season would just fucking be Birdman and BG doing insane things that are already on record. So we're not snitching. He cops like 40 bodies.

[Mall]

The state property.

[Rory]

I don't think you'd get to Lil wayne until season three. Drake would be in season 14.

[Mall]

Estate property. A rap movie.

[Rory]

They're up there. They're my. My personal.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

But that was a really wasn't about them. Like, I don't think Jay and Dame happen to be robbing the same house at the same time. Was like yo, you take upstairs, I'll take downstairs.

[Mall]

That's not. That's not how that happened.

[Damaris]

Rory always rewriting.

[Rory]

That's what happened.

[Mall]

That's not what happened to State Property. That was Paper Soldier.

[Rory]

Oh, my bad.

[Mall]

What do you talk about? And they was going to rob the studio. He opened the door. Jay was in there recorded. And they just closed the door like nah, we're not robbing this.

[Rory]

I don't think Tata ever said beans suck my dick. Like no.

[Mall]

That's hilarious.

[Rory]

Those are great movies but I wouldn't consider them rap movies. Just great hood films. But while we're on Hot Boys before we get to voicemails and we have an amazing conversation with Elliot Wilson after this as well. I yo, Travis Hunter, man. I didn't really care about that girlfriend. None of my business. I don't care. Love is love. Rev Run. Do whatever the you want to do. And this is going to sound like hate, but I have to be honest. Why are you signing to Young Money Sports Agency?

[Mall]

Is that real wife.

[Rory]

Whoever the you want a wife. Just whatever man. But is that deal with what comes with it?

[Mall]

Is that real? Yeah. What is Young Money Sports Agency? What is that?

[Rory]

I had to look I had to find the the website and before everyone starts and clips this whatever Wayne we absolutely love legend in his own right. Done amazing things. Cool whatever. What the is Young Money Appa Sports. I can't even find. I have the about section which has all like their staff. I don't see who is signed to them. I did not know this existed but again I may be out of the out of the loop. Lamar Jackson may be signing them and I just didn't know. I've just yet to see a Young Money chain.

[Mall]

I've never heard of this.

[Damaris]

I've never heard of it either.

[Mall]

And I mean listen no slight to Wayne. He might be you know he might have a lot of the right people could be amazing over there that's ready to do great things for Travis Hunter. But I just you know on one hand it's okay cool. Travis Hunter, you know want to keep it. Keep business black and you know, sign with you know, black CEOs. Okay cool. But love it. I think there's some maybe a few more reputable black agents in the that he could have went with first. I mean Rich Paul's out there somewhere.

[Rory]

Yeah. Who's. Who's.

[Mall]

I think he's a black man and.

[Rory]

A pretty good fucking agent. Pretty good agent established in 2017 is when it happened. I feel like Wayne has Even done enough first take interviews and pretty. I think Wayne talks about sports more than he does hip hop.

[Mall]

Oh, for sure.

[Rory]

Maybe I missed the interview of when he was like, yo, I have a sports agency as well.

[Mall]

Yeah, who is, who is Travis? Because I don't, you know, I've seen.

[Rory]

All the things about the young man.

[Mall]

Yeah. Like who's in his, who's in his corner? Who's, who's his, like his day to day, you know, consiglieres.

[Rory]

I mean, we, we haven't really commented on a lot of this because I feel like that's been piling on and just a nice, I don't care about the girlfriend shit. That, yeah, whatever. This is where I was like, all right, who is in your corner, young man?

[Mall]

Yeah, that's, that's, that's my. And you know, to have a coach like Deion saying is somebody who did it at the highest level. When you talk about just superstar flash, you know, bright lights, women, cars, jewelry, like, you know, it don't get, it don't get much, much better than prime time when it comes to that. I just feel like maybe he should lean on his coach a little more when it comes to like off the field personal life shit. I mean, you got, you got Deion Sanders in your locker room at your disposal every day to just talk about life after college and what to expect being a high profile player going into the NFL. It don't get much better than Deion Sanders. So I, you know, you see Travis going through things with his girlfriend. You know, I hope that maybe he spoke to coach Sanders about that and how to navigate through those type of things with relationships, with women and even on the business side of signing with a young money again, you know, maybe he's a Big Wayne fan, but I just feel like with Deion Sanders right there, I feel like Deion would have been like, son, you sure that's where you want to.

[Rory]

And again, who's to say that the major regular agencies are great?

[Mall]

I don't know.

[Rory]

Drew Rosenhaus and all that shit. That could be awful too for a young athlete as well. But I have some questions on young money APAA sports.

[Mall]

I just have never heard bad things about clutch sports. And what Rich is over there doing, I've only heard great things is, you know, from what I see when I started looking at Rich has got a lot of his players overpaid. You know what I mean? It's like good players, but it's like Rich got him.

[Rory]

How much Deion guiding you outside of just Fuck sports knowledge. Deion understands marketing, branding, what it's like to be in the spotlight more than probably any athlete that you can name outside of a few, it is a bit odd where decisions have been made.

[Mall]

Where's Travis Hunter from originally?

[Rory]

That's a good question. I'm not sure. Like, I can't see Deion letting his son sign something like that.

[Mall]

I can promise you Deon Shakur won't be signing with Young Money apaa.

[Damaris]

He's from West Palm Beach, Florida. He moved to Georgia in the eighth grade.

[Mall]

West Palm Beach, Florida. Wayne, Florida.

[Rory]

Mar A Lago tomorrow.

[Mall]

Okay, listen, I wish him the best, man. He's a talented player. He seems to be a good kid. You know, hopefully he has his off the field, you know, things in order and has the right people around him because, you know, it can go left really fast. But good luck to him, man. This might end up being great. He might be the player that, you know, turns Young Money APA into a powerhouse. You know, you never know. But I just think going into it, the Heisman Trophy winner, I think you kind of want to, you know, align with stronger players as far as business.

[Rory]

So get a Wayne feature, whatever that.

[Mall]

Would do for him at this point. I don't know. You know, good luck to him, man. He's having a rough.

[Rory]

Wayne knows Robert Kraft. Patriots will probably get the first.

[Mall]

Has anybody had a rougher Heisman Trophy year than Travis Hunter? Like, off the field, I'm pretty sure we. I mean, it's been.

[Rory]

I mean, Reggie got his taken away, but that was years later.

[Mall]

Years later.

[Rory]

And then got it back. Yeah, I don't know.

[Mall]

I think.

[Rory]

I'm sure there's somebody that we don't know about that probably.

[Mall]

I mean, I think Maurice Clarette won Heisman, Right? He had a crazy year.

[Rory]

Yeah, that was a. That was.

[Mall]

He ended up having a crazy time.

[Rory]

That was a doozy, what he went through.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

When it comes to Travis Hunter's girlfriend situation, did you guys ever watch the video that she released talking about everything? And she was like, travis told me to come out here and talk about this.

[Mall]

I would never click on that. You know that.

[Rory]

I remember seeing it and seeing the length of the video and said, that's nice. Prayers for everyone involved. So I went.

[Damaris]

I went to. I went to watch it, but I had it on two times, 2x speed, because I'm never listening to somebody talk like that. But from what it seems like what she was saying was that there were clips of her being taken out of context and she was being bullied on the Internet for clips of her being taken out of context. People are like, oh, they're saying, I'm pouting when he won this, or I'm pouting when he's hugging cheerleaders. And that's not true. Like, this is what actually happened. These. This is what was going.

[Mall]

I'm pretty sure that's part of it. I'm pretty sure some of that was taken out of context.

[Rory]

Sure.

[Damaris]

But it's just like, once the Internet finds out that you're the person to on, especially if you're a girl.

[Mall]

Oh, they pile on. You're the.

[Damaris]

Yeah, they're going to pile on.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Damaris]

Well, because. So the reason why she said that is because everybody was on her ass because. And I'm not sticking up for her, but I just want the full story. Everybody was on her ass because she had said he wasn't originally her type, and then she ended up dating him anyways. So she was like. She came on there, she said, well, he wasn't originally my type because when he originally slid in my DMs, he had a girlfriend, and cheaters aren't my type.

[Mall]

Oh, she gave you the dignity, pride, honor.

[Damaris]

She was like. So then when he got single, he doubled back or something like that. And then she ended up in a relationship.

[Mall]

He doubled back a chance.

[Rory]

But, I mean, it's hypocritical because we're on a podcast and we always talk about a bunch of nonsense sometimes that we don't care about. But why do y'all care that much about his girlfriend?

[Mall]

Like, yeah.

[Damaris]

People always worried about the money of men that they are not sleeping with men be worried about other men money so much. It's so.

[Rory]

It confuses me, okay, to what Peach is saying that people are concerned about his finances and that she's just there to take his money. That's a slow news day in the NFL, NBA, mlb, NHL, any Wall Street. And, like, that's a slow fucking news day to me that somebody y'all deem as loose is going to take money. And I don't know that I'm saying how y'all deem it that that girl is taking advantage of somebody that has potential to be rich. Whoa, whoa. If he likes a girl, he likes a girl. I mean, it may bite him in the ass later on when it starts affecting his play, because she could be a fucking nightmare. But there's plenty of women that aren't gold diggers that could do the same thing in your household. So.

[Mall]

Oh, he's gonna bite him in his ass.

[Damaris]

But see, I don't think that we like, I don't.

[Rory]

I think, I think her, and I don't know this to be true because I haven't been following it. I think a girl that wants more attention than money is way more dangerous in that situation than a girl that just wants your finances and Maybe will take 50 of your contract in 10 years. If she wants to be a star, that's an issue. You're at that point. If this chick wants to be in the locker room, wants to be on camera, everything she does is now going to be attached to you because she wants to be on camera non stop. And all she is just some college student that happened to be in the same dorm as you. And that's an issue to me. They're all going to get their money taken in divorce at some point. That's America.

[Mall]

It's the American way.

[Damaris]

Damn. The way y'all look at love is just dark and dreary.

[Mall]

No, I just think that it's, you know, we gotta look at things for the, for what they are. Especially when these young men are, you know, potential hundreds of millions of dollars players walking around and you know, a girl sees him, doesn't know who he is at first. And then somebody puts on like, you know, you know, he's like the top player in the nation. It's like, oh, he's cute. All of a sudden it's like, okay, cool. So if shit starts to happen and people start to notice that they call it out cool. I'm not saying that this girl is around for money grabbing. I don't know about it. I don't. All I'm saying is to Roy saying, if it is, it's not the first time. Who cares? Like, we get it. Yeah, that's what's gonna happen. This kid has potential to make a ton of money. Women are gonna throw themselves at him. Why is this news, like, because we're seeing it from the college level happening, like, okay, if she's gonna take him for his money and, and you know he's a sucker, she gonna lick him. Simple.

[Rory]

And I mean there could have been fair assessments of her character and who she is, but I'm seeing headline, oh, this girl was in a music video three years ago. You mean somebody that's going to the league wifed a video girl?

[Mall]

It's stupid.

[Rory]

Top of top of the news list.

[Mall]

This is stupid, man.

[Rory]

Oh yeah, she was in a SoundCloud rapper video.

[Mall]

Honestly, this is what's supposed to Happen.

[Elliot Wilson]

But she said that she was like.

[Mall]

Like, he used to drive me to parties and sit in the car.

[Rory]

I did see that one clip where she said, he used to drive me to parties and wait outside. He seems like the guy that would do that. He gives me those vibes.

[Mall]

I know a few dudes that do that. And I just was like, yo, if you happy, man, if you want to sit out here and listen to a podcast while your girl in there grinding, nigga, who am I to be like, yo, you bugged.

[Damaris]

I feel like that's a good boyfriend, though. Like, if you don't want to come with me.

[Mall]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Damaris]

If you don't want to come with me, but you want me to be safe, I'm going to have fun.

[Mall]

You think it's a good boyfriend that's gonna drop you off to a party, let you go in there, dance with a bunch of dudes, and he's sitting here.

[Damaris]

But who says that she's dancing with a bunch of dudes?

[Mall]

Because that's what they do when they go to parties, baby.

[Damaris]

D. Ma, that's not always true.

[Mall]

Young girls are not dancing at parties.

[Damaris]

How young was she?

[Mall]

She not 23. She's not 23.

[Rory]

They were playing Jenga back in it.

[Damaris]

But girls don't. You do know that, Especially her era, girls don't really dance with dudes anymore. Like, it ain't like your time. Like her era, they used to get.

[Mall]

How old is this? This girl is like 21 years old.

[Rory]

I know. She's sitting at a party with a phone.

[Damaris]

Like, that's what her friends. She might.

[Mall]

Two years ago at a college party.

[Damaris]

I'm telling you, they don't dance with men at college parties anymore.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

That was a music video for a hit record. That was a music video.

[Mall]

That ain't that artist. Ain't no. Why you keep saying music video like that was off GNX or something. That was that.

[Rory]

Hey, now, who's the artist?

[Mall]

It was a music. Who was the artist?

[Rory]

Well, he did some corny and put out merch with the image.

[Damaris]

Oh, he was lame.

[Mall]

So go ahead. Music video, right?

[Damaris]

People do anything for money. People will like. They don't. Nobody cares about being lame no more because of money and attention. Nobody cares about being lame.

[Rory]

This is up for this new generation where I feel bad for them. Their entire lives have been recorded. No matter who the they are. They could be the brokest person on earth. Their entire life has been on a phone. The women we. We may revere that are the wives of athletes that are quiet and, like, put together this and that. We don't know what the they was doing because it. There was not a camera around at all times. These poor girls. Yeah, she was probably 18 and a guy she was seeing was like, yo, be in my music video. You know how many fucking women on earth have done that that you wouldn't know? Like, just because the song never hit. That's fucked up. Like, I feel for this girl now her whole life, because it was on camera. She's going to be judged different than another NFL wife that probably did some wilder shit. We just don't know about it, right? Yeah, it's fucked up for these kids.

[Damaris]

I was in a music video in college.

[Rory]

Every. Every. He was rapping, right?

[Damaris]

No, who was the artist? He almost invited you to the Frank stand. This is this rapper. But he's cool now. He's, like, in the. I think he's, like, in the school system, but he. We had a music video. I was like, drunk in it. Like, up, like, in the college, like, the closet. Like, they had me up. Like, they put me, like, up at the top of the closet shelf. It was called welcome to my dorm party. It was a playoff of welcome to my house party.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

And they told you.

[Rory]

How did you get up in the cubby?

[Damaris]

They lifted me up there. I used to weigh like 100 fucking 15 pounds.

[Mall]

And then you just lay down. Cause you asleep.

[Damaris]

Yeah, with the cup of my hand.

[Rory]

I like it.

[Mall]

I'm so glad you got away from that life.

[Damaris]

That was my idea, though, actually. I've been a producer. Yo, that was my idea.

[Mall]

That was your idea to put me up there?

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Yo, be in the closet. Treat me like a hat. Put me on the top shelf. Put me at the top shelf of the closet.

[Damaris]

Treat me like a hat.

[Mall]

Treat me like a hat.

[Rory]

This is my moment.

[Mall]

I could be a hat. Look. What?

[Rory]

So, yeah, now I feel like for the rest of your life, you should be judged for that moment. For every decision that you ever make. Any man that you go near, they should bring that up.

[Mall]

They're going to bring that up and blow you a gold digger.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

This podcast, every decision. I'll never get married because of this podcast.

[Mall]

That's not true.

[Damaris]

It's close.

[Mall]

Somebody.

[Rory]

But you got New Year. New.

[Damaris]

Would you date a female podcaster?

[Rory]

Sure.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Seriously. Would you marry a female podcaster? Rory, shut the fuck up. No, you wouldn't.

[Mall]

I would.

[Rory]

Wait, why you say. Why you say that?

[Damaris]

You would not, bro. You would not.

[Mall]

Why not?

[Rory]

Why?

[Damaris]

Why you Would not sit up there and date a female podcast that I was talking about sitting and spitting for the new year. You're not doing that. You're not doing well.

[Mall]

Sitting and spitting.

[Rory]

Why do you think every podcast is.

[Mall]

About sitting and sitting and spitting? Who though, like, she would have to be clear about. If it's my girl, she would have to be clear about if now my girl's a female, she like, yo, New Year, new dick, then I'm. I'mma have a problem there. But if she's saying, like, yo, new year, me and my man, I'm going to be sitting and spitting on him more. Oh, then we in love. Yeah, cool. But you can't just be yelling out new Year.

[Rory]

Not.

[Damaris]

You're not doing that.

[Mall]

You can't be yelling out new Year, new dick, and we in a relationship.

[Rory]

If Sarah from the serial podcast look different new.

[Damaris]

If you're not gonna pursue that girl, you're not gonna do that.

[Mall]

Why not? I would. She like to sit and spit. What time she get off?

[Rory]

You say that like, all these girls on Instagram on their story aren't revealing these things.

[Mall]

Yeah, but it's different because they not. They not. They're not getting paid for that. They selling Baby D. Selling Hope.

[Rory]

I didn't think of it that way.

[Mall]

It's a difference.

[Rory]

And closet space and.

[Mall]

Yeah, she's showing you. Listen, this is how you compartmentalize your.

[Rory]

This is your closet design. Yo, was that the Asian chick that says, does it mean anything to you? What's that? That series where she teaches you how to get everything out of your closet? It's fine. You guys aren't cultured.

[Mall]

Was that on Netflix?

[Damaris]

I'm like, what the.

[Rory]

It should be by now.

[Mall]

I feel like that was.

[Rory]

If it's savory to your life, like, that's the only thing she could say. And if you say yes or no, then it gets thrown out.

[Mall]

That was on Netflix.

[Rory]

She treats you. She showed you how to, like, put drunk women in your closet.

[Mall]

No, she doesn't show you that. She shows you how to, like, make space for it, keep everything. I feel like that was on Netflix. That was on Netflix.

[Damaris]

I have no idea who you're talking about.

[Mall]

Yeah, I feel like we talked about that, like, when we was watching it when it came out.

[Rory]

Who knows?

[Mall]

Yeah, I remember that.

[Rory]

I don't even know if we need to get to voicemails before tidying up.

[Damaris]

With Marie Kondo maybe.

[Rory]

I don't know.

[Mall]

Was it Netflix? I feel like we definitely watched that. Yeah.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah. Netflix Yep. Watch Tidying Up.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Netflix.

[Rory]

Did you guys watch anything over the holiday? I did have time finally to like watch some of the big juror number two. I watched on Max, which was big. And then did you guys watch Carry on with Jason Bateman?

[Mall]

No. I keep seeing. Every time I'm on Netflix, I see it. I'm like, I want to. I want to watch it. How was it?

[Rory]

It's. It's really good. Highly, highly suggest it. But what's that Kevin Hart movie that we love where he turns into Jason Bourne at the end?

[Mall]

Wesley Snipes.

[Rory]

Yeah. Which is a great fucking movie.

[Mall]

I forgot the name.

[Rory]

It just starts to get. It starts to get like a little bit too insane.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I don't Carry on is incredible, but at one point you're gonna be like, okay, we have now went from this could be a really cool storyline to now we're living in the make believe.

[Mall]

Kevin Hawk killed them niggas.

[Rory]

They stashing dead bodies in TSA rooms. I'm like, all right, man. There's not one camera in sight.

[Mall]

Yeah, see, that's when shit get just too unrealistic for me. Kevin Hart killed them niggas with two headshots.

[Rory]

Two niggas, one hand. No, look. I think he even covered his eyes and went like this.

[Mall]

You made us watch this whole thing. It's a great movie. And this is how it ends.

[Rory]

I had a crush on the. The girl that died. She was only in a few scenes.

[Damaris]

But even how she looked, even dead, she was bad, is crazy. I finally watched It Ends with us.

[Mall]

How was it?

[Damaris]

It was good. It was really good. It was. It was good, like knowing all the. Well, when I went into it, I had heard about the. The things that were going on behind the scenes with Blake Lively and her co star and how they hated each other. She's suing him right now.

[Rory]

I thought it was a director too.

[Damaris]

Improper. He was. He was his. Her co star and the director or the production company. I think he owned it some nasty. Yeah, he was like making. Being weird and stuff and. Yeah, but the movie came out really good.

[Rory]

Squid game two, anyone started. I'm on episode three.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah.

[Damaris]

Ever since I seen Mr. Beast do it, I'm like. I like when Mister. When Mr. Beast did it was real, like, you know what I'm saying? I don't want to see the show no more.

[Rory]

I met Mr. Beast, did a real game.

[Damaris]

He did it in.

[Rory]

He cooked squid or like. He did a squid game.

[Damaris]

No, he did an entire squid game and gave Away money.

[Rory]

Did people die?

[Damaris]

No, nobody died.

[Mall]

Oh. It wasn't real.

[Rory]

I thought that's what.

[Damaris]

They were trying to cancel him, but they killed. He killed it. He had the whole set, like, everything.

[Rory]

No, I gotta see dead body.

[Mall]

Speaking of Blake, lobby. I'm watching Gossip girl.

[Rory]

That's cute.

[Damaris]

X.O.X.O. gossip Girl. Do you like it so far?

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

How about you watch Grey's Anatomy? If you watch a Gossip Girl.

[Mall]

I've watched so Grey's Anatomy.

[Damaris]

You saw it, but did you watch it from the beginning? Like, really watch it?

[Mall]

I watched it up until I didn't. I didn't finish Grey's Anatomy. I think I'll stop the second season before the last.

[Damaris]

There is no last season. It's still. No, it's still going. It's on season 20. Oh, I thought it.

[Mall]

Grey's Anatomy is still.

[Rory]

So why did all the women cry like, two years ago? I thought it was done. Done.

[Mall]

That was because the main. One of the main characters died.

[Rory]

I think George Clooney. I just went and did the oceans movies. That was er. Okay.

[Damaris]

No, same thing. It's going into, like, season 21 right now, I think.

[Mall]

Damn.

[Damaris]

Grey's Anatomy is still on.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

That's why you like when it ended. I'm like, when the fuck?

[Mall]

Oh, I'm not gonna finish that shit.

[Damaris]

It stops being good around season 16, 17. So just go up to there.

[Mall]

Season 16 is. At that point, it's like, all right, wrap this shit up, man.

[Damaris]

Nah, I love it. You gotta watch it. Watch it from the beginning.

[Mall]

I'm gonna finish Gossip Girl first.

[Rory]

I like it for the people that are not on Patreon. We have two sitcom TV show drafts. We split them up by race, naturally, of course. And I was thinking over the holiday break that we were completely wrong. I do feel like sitcoms need a live studio audience. Like, I don't know if the Office is a sitcom, bro.

[Damaris]

The Office is a sitcom, dog.

[Rory]

I was. I was watching the Office over the break and I was like, this is just a hilarious comedy series. I feel like a sitcom in retrospect needs the studio audience. I think that's what makes.

[Mall]

That's not fair.

[Rory]

Like, you have a set. There's only like three different sets.

[Mall]

But that's not fair. Because if you going to do that, then Live A Color is a sitcom. And you said it was. You said it was sketch comedy. That's a live audience, but that's sketch.

[Rory]

Like, Chappelle show was live audience, but that's a sketch show to me. SNL Has a live audience. That's a sketch show. To me, all that.

[Mall]

But you're saying you feel like sitcoms need to have a live audience, but.

[Rory]

That doesn't make or break it. I'm not saying anything with a live studio. Like, Martha Stewart had a live studio audience. The View has a live studio audience. I'm not saying that makes it a sitcom, but I feel like a sitcom needs those three interchanging sets and a live studio audience. In retrospect, no way.

[Mall]

If you feel like subscribe to Patreon.

[Rory]

To hear an argument.

[Mall]

Curb your enthusiasm. Is not a sitcom.

[Rory]

I don't think so.

[Mall]

Get the. You crazy, bro.

[Rory]

So this goes against everything I said on Patreon, which you're saying two amazing episodes.

[Damaris]

Abby isn't a sitcom either. No, no, that's not.

[Mall]

I think Rock show is not a sitcom.

[Rory]

No, no, no.

[Mall]

What the. What are y'all talking about right now?

[Damaris]

I'm crazy.

[Elliot Wilson]

Just.

[Mall]

Chris Rock show is not a sitcom.

[Damaris]

Yeah, you sound crazy.

[Elliot Wilson]

King of Queens.

[Mall]

That's the sitcom.

[Rory]

That's a sitcom. Friends sitcom, Seinfeld sitcom, Chris Rock, Everybody Hates Chris.

[Damaris]

Just because the original way that they did sitcoms with the live studio audience, it doesn't mean that that's only Bernie.

[Mall]

Max not a sitcom.

[Damaris]

Well, then that means there will never be another sitcom again. Just because they changed the way they did sitcom crazy. That's not true.

[Rory]

But the Gerard Carmichael show, which more recent. That was a sitcom to me. In the modern era, there was no live studio audience.

[Damaris]

It had a laugh track. It was not a live studio audience.

[Rory]

Okay, well, I guess I'm saying more laugh track than anything. I don't know. Just my thoughts over the break of. We. We maybe had it completely wrong.

[Mall]

Nah, man. You read. You read a comment or two, and now you feel like.

[Rory]

I honestly did not read a single comment about anything.

[Mall]

Kirby Enthusiasm is a sitcom. I don't care what y'all talking about.

[Rory]

It's a great.

[Mall]

Everybody Hates Chris is a sitcom.

[Damaris]

Everybody hates Curses. Definitely a sick sitcom.

[Mall]

Y'all are tripping.

[Rory]

I don't know, man.

[Mall]

Y'all crazy as you've got mail.

[Elliot Wilson]

How do y'all make the difference?

[Mall]

Or how do y'all know the difference between a hoe that's for you and a hoe that you only? And is it a difference sexually and what she giving you?

[Rory]

I don't fully understand this question.

[Elliot Wilson]

Y'all both seem like some cool.

[Mall]

Like, I was like, you know, I'm.

[Rory]

Kind of fly or whatever he high as right now seemed like Y'all will.

[Elliot Wilson]

Kind of play in the same streets as well.

[Mall]

Like, are y'all Eskimo brothers? I feel like I ain't never heard y'all speak on that. That was rocking with y'all, though.

[Damaris]

So his first original question. His first original question was, how do.

[Mall]

You know a hoe is for you?

[Rory]

It was a profound question. If you get. If you peel back the layers. That was an onion question.

[Damaris]

Like, if she. If she, like, if she a hoe, like, she really doing, like, you know, hoe shit in the bedroom. How do you know that? How do you know the difference between a hoe that's just for fun or a hoe that you should take seriously?

[Rory]

It's a hoe for you.

[Damaris]

A ho.

[Rory]

God tailored that hoe for you.

[Mall]

So if. So basically, if she's a freak in the bedroom.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

But how do you know she's just being freaky with you and not just out here freaking with everybody?

[Damaris]

Yeah. Like, how do you.

[Rory]

Is that how you took it?

[Damaris]

How do you know which hoes are worth. Are worth ignoring the wholeness for? Like, how do you know this hoe is for you?

[Rory]

That's how I took it as. When do you start ignoring that? You know for a fact that this woman has been for the streets for a while, but you like this hoe a lot? What are the deciding factors?

[Mall]

I don't know. That's a tough question to ask me because I feel like if I know a hoe is for the streets, I'm not even entertaining her or even letting it get to a point where I feel like, yo, nah, she. Maho.

[Rory]

But what happens when you find out.

[Damaris]

Later about hoe and ma? I think he's talking about, like, normal hoe. I think what you're thinking is, what's a normal hoe? So what? So I think he's talking about a.

[Rory]

Woman with more than one body.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Like a girl that. She's not. She's not innocent, right? But she's not fucking out here just fucking anybody or for the streets, right? But she has. She's not a fucking version.

[Rory]

Her number. Her number would make you uncomfortable. But it's not anything. That's crazy.

[Mall]

Okay?

[Damaris]

Yeah. And, like, she's like, you, like, damn. Like, I really like this girl. Like, that type shit. Not like the. Not the girl that got passed around by the homies. Like, not okay. I think that's what he's asking. Like, yo, like, how do I know that, like, this hole is for me or she's.

[Rory]

She spent a lot of 2015 on vacation with no real sense of income.

[Damaris]

No, those are. See, that's those.

[Rory]

But that was in 2015. It's 20, 24 different holes.

[Damaris]

We talk about just normal, regular ho. Like regular people. Hoes y'all be experiencing.

[Rory]

Well, first of all, Instagram has changed that aspect. Regular assholes are in Ibiza right now with everybody.

[Mall]

Yeah. Monday.

[Rory]

Like it used to be. It used to be the elite ones. The elite ones have. That's been ran through these. Everyone's finding the regular hoes now it'd be chicks where I'm like 400 followers.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

For 10 years. How the is you out there?

[Mall]

I don't know how. I don't know. I guess it. It ultimately comes down to if you're kicking it with a. Well, that too. But if you're kicking it with a girl and you know her history and you know, you know however you know, however you were introduced to her, you kind of got the car facts on her. I think you just make your own, you know, like, if what you. All right, cool. Yeah. I know she was bopping around, but it. I like her as I've seen dudes do that, but it's like, you know, you like. Yeah. I ain't gonna. She cool, though. What can I say to that?

[Damaris]

She makes me happy.

[Mall]

It's subjective, man. If she cool and no matter what her history is and you know, who dated her and all have fun, man.

[Rory]

It's very hard to find people that you actually like. That's a very difficult thing.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

She happens to have a. A past, you know, keep it pushing.

[Damaris]

Love is rare.

[Rory]

Just don't ask questions.

[Damaris]

Is rare.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Love and happiness are rare. If you find somebody who makes you happy and that you click with, don't be worried about what the. That happened 10 years ago. Like, that's. You're wasting your time.

[Mall]

I mean, it does it. I mean, you have. You can't ignore what happened because you gotta look at what happened to kinda know, you know, you gotta look where.

[Damaris]

You been and know where you going.

[Mall]

Right. You gotta kinda just make the. You know, have discernment. I think a lot of people don't have discernment. Have discernment. Like, yeah, she's. She was out in the streets, she was playing around, dated a few guys, you know, whatever, whatever, whatever. But if you kicking with her, you spending time with her, that may be a part of her life that she's closed and she's done with it. She wanna really, like, be with one person and have a great time, fun Laugh. Y'all laugh together. You know, if it's. If it's like that and you fall in love, cool.

[Rory]

I mean, not to get too deep for the end of the year, but sometimes you have to look in the mirror and say, what is a stream? I don't define what that is.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

What your definition of a hoe is could be your own internal shit. And she's not really a hoe or she's a super hoe. And you're okay with that?

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You don't get to define what the definition of hoe is. Just in your ego maniac fucking brain. You think because she slept with one person who happened to fucking know and had one summer where she went a little crazy, you don't get to define what the cost of a stream is. You're not. You're not Spotify. You don't define her past as being a hoe. If you like the girl, you like the girl. Just take the exchange rate and keep it pushing if you like your album.

[Mall]

But the problem I have with that is when dudes get with a girl like that, that has a history, has a past, and now they feel like, you know, this is my girl. And then they find out she out here still seeing other guys, and then they want to go to violence and harm the girl, but it's like, you knew she was.

[Rory]

There's a difference between hoe and a cheater. And of course those lines can blend, but there's plenty. Some of the quote unquote biggest that would be deemed the biggest hoes that I know are typically the most loyal girlfriends. Best girlfriends, like, they be in the streets when they single, but when it's time to be in a relationship, they're my man, my man, my man, my man.

[Mall]

Yeah. All right. Yeah, that's her man. I'm not saying that ain't your man, your man, your man.

[Damaris]

I don't know. Like, I like the hoes that I know. And I'm. I'm talking about hoes that, like, were hoeing since they were like 12, 13 years old. Like, this is in them.

[Mall]

Who is hoeing since 12, 13 years old?

[Damaris]

Plenty, plenty, plenty. Believe me. Oh, yeah. Like, dedicated hoes, they make the greatest wives. Like, they're. Because they got all their out the way. Like, they've been doing it for so long. That is. Like, they be in the house chilling. It be the girl that got her heart broken by a nigga recently, and she been a good girl her whole life and a n did her dirty and she Got that impurity in her heart. Yeah.

[Rory]

And she's never known what the false glamour of being in the streets is like. She's never been on a vacation she didn't earn. She's never had the opportunity to just be in a dm. Yo, you want to fly to fucking Turks bet Bring all your friends here's. Let's go to the fucking private airport. She don't even know about that. So she goes crazy because she's never experienced those things. The hoe been doing that since she was 18.

[Mall]

I just don't think. I just don't think people give enough credit to the amount of women that are out here that don't have a whole past that are cool as well. I think we just kind of act like those women are extinct.

[Rory]

I think we've been trying to tell you that that's the case. No, we've been explaining to you that home road isn't hoes.

[Mall]

I know that there's cool girls out here that don't have whole past. Most of the times they're either already in relationships taking, like, you know, like that. But I just think that if somebody poses a question like that, I think it's because. Just be honest. You like hoes, and it's okay to like hoes.

[Rory]

But don't came on here and said he likes permission promiscuous women. I thought that was great. Who, Clay? He said his type. He likes those type of women, and that's fine.

[Mall]

Like, if that's what you like. Yo, date who you like, man. That's. It's 20. We going 20, 25. Date who you like. I don't. It doesn't even matter anymore. Whoever you like, whoever you in love with, whoever you want to be with, no matter who you with. If somebody gonna talk about you, they're gonna talk about.

[Rory]

The aliens are gonna come in 2025, and nobody is gonna give a about who she in 2014.

[Mall]

Yeah, the aliens.

[Damaris]

If you alien. I don't know because, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, if you alien. I don't think I could get past that type because, like, what if you not pleased with me? Like, what if the alien has some fire? I don't know.

[Rory]

Hmm. Did the alien, like, run in my. My friend circle? Like, was he around? Does the alien know people that I know that it could get back to me and affects, like, my future with her? Like, are they gonna be whispering at the alien mixer like, yo, fam, he with her.

[Mall]

Y'all joking, but it's gonna. It's gonna come to a point where.

[Rory]

We go, we flew out to Area 51 and got busy with her.

[Mall]

We gonna start walking past aliens like a normal day in Manhattan.

[Rory]

I think we're doing it now.

[Mall]

Yeah, like alien on the corner. Like it's an alien over there. Everybody taking pictures of it. I believe that's where it's headed. And I'm dead serious. How they can be walking, taking pictures with the naked cowboy in Times Square. It's gonna be like a. It's gonna be an alien.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

And people gonna be like, oh, they're real. Like, yeah, like, yeah, they not harmful. They just chilling.

[Rory]

Like, it'll get to that point eventually.

[Mall]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

Well, let's get into this conversation with Elliot Wilson. Got into some year end wrap up shit. Some arguments we had to press. Elliot, where's B Dot?

[Mall]

Where is B Dot?

[Rory]

What's up with this new west coast podcast? You know, it was, it was a cool conversation. Always fun to have Elliot on, especially to end the year. Happy New Year, everyone. Have a safe night. It's amateur night.

[Mall]

Please, please be safe, be safe, be blessed. Happy 2025.

[Elliot Wilson]

How you lemon ginger and drink lemon ginger?

[Rory]

Because I am a lemon ginger.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Elliot Wilson]

Like living lemon ginger life, nigga, it helps. I eat lemon ginger and drinking lemon ginger.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Elliot Wilson]

Fuck.

[Rory]

It's just adding in. It's like my steroids.

[Elliot Wilson]

How does the lemon gin?

[Rory]

Yeah, it's a little lemon gin adapting.

[Elliot Wilson]

Right.

[Rory]

But we are back for the last episode of 2024, right before New Year's Eve. And we figured because he traveled all the way from the left coast, the left side.

[Mall]

Yo, I'm not gonna lie. When I woke up this morning, you know what I'm saying, outside the window, Rory, you know what I'm saying? I had my cup of, cup of, cup of coffee.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

I said, you know, I feel a little happy outside.

[Rory]

Okay. I didn't know it was overcast. Is that why you thought it was a little gloomy?

[Mall]

It was like, I didn't know if it was raining. It was a little drizzle.

[Rory]

It felt like someone brought like some smog.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

From the west coast over to the east coast.

[Mall]

I'm like, could this be the holiday? You know, the holiday kind of like depression when the holidays here and it's like ending and then the end of the year and, you know, you start.

[Rory]

Metaphor of that, you're saying this is.

[Mall]

The I didn't know what it was.

[Rory]

And then physical version of it.

[Mall]

As I'm sitting in the office today, Rory, the elevator doors Open.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mall]

And Elliot Wilson gets off the elevator and I'm like, yes.

[Rory]

Oh, this is West Coast Wilson. Which he coined himself, by the way.

[Mall]

He coined himself West Coast Wilson. I mean, listen, if that's what you calling yourself, I'm here to call you that.

[Elliot Wilson]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Thank you, West Coast Wilson, for joining us.

[Elliot Wilson]

Thank you, Ma.

[Mall]

I've been waiting for this face to face. Let's go.

[Elliot Wilson]

I'm ready. What's up? It's been a very interesting talk to me nicely, nigga.

[Mall]

I'm just gonna listen, man. My energy is.

[Elliot Wilson]

I love all y'all, y'all.

[Mall]

Exactly. I love everybody.

[Elliot Wilson]

Biggs, love me. Hot lovey. You love me, nigga.

[Mall]

Exactly. So I'm just happy to finally be able to sit here and talk to you face and laugh about the year. That crazy year. It felt like five years, right? This one year has felt like five.

[Elliot Wilson]

Insane. Yeah.

[Mall]

Every time me and Rory talk about something, it's like, wait, that happened this year?

[Elliot Wilson]

It's crazy.

[Rory]

The older you get, years do fly by. 2020. No, this shit felt long post marathon.

[Mall]

A lot has happened this year. But all jokes aside, it is good to see you.

[Elliot Wilson]

Thank you, Maul.

[Mall]

Welcome. Welcome to our show.

[Elliot Wilson]

I know Mal doesn't really fuck with a lot of guests.

[Rory]

True.

[Elliot Wilson]

I mean, I'm like the main American niggas. Like, he loves love for that.

[Mall]

Shout out to my guys. Shout out to my guys.

[Elliot Wilson]

Ma would shut it down. It's like Rory's like, okay, come to the program. But, like, Mal is not like a lot of guests, so I respect that.

[Mall]

Not that I don't like a lot of guests. I just don't want to have guests on that either. Me or Rory kind of don't really have. I don't like to get to know people on camera. It's just to me, I'm just not. I'd rather have some type of rapport in real life away from the camera.

[Rory]

Well, you guys have a lot of years in. Do you feel like there was a bit of a shift in 2024? I'm here just to be like the couple's counselor with everything just of who Elliot aligned himself with. Ironically. Ironically. Because the last time we were all. The last time we were all together.

[Mall]

When is the last time we was all together?

[Rory]

Me and Elliot have had dinner plenty of times. I see him all the time. That's my man. But on Mike mic to the public, the last time we were all together, we were in Paul's a hot ass trailer at Made in America in the Doucet trailer.

[Mall]

Damn. That was the last time we had.

[Rory]

Interviewed Elliot and B dot as Rap.

[Elliot Wilson]

Radar did me first and then me and be that after that.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So we should have saw the. The divide at that point. Elliot wanted his solo and his.

[Mall]

That was two years.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Elliot Wilson]

And I pulled the homie saw the love. Yes, of course.

[Rory]

It's weird. Bdot, from my understanding, lives on the east coast. And we have another chair. Yeah, we're not short of chairs.

[Mall]

What's up, man?

[Rory]

Let's get started.

[Mall]

Let's start. Because I'm seeing a lot of Elliot and DJ Head. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to Head. That's my guy. But it's like, what's going. What's the theory?

[Elliot Wilson]

You think that I started a show with DJ Head called the Bigger Picture?

[Rory]

No, we don't think it's recorded.

[Elliot Wilson]

I'm already, like, gonna be opposite the boy going forward, right?

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Elliot Wilson]

Say, yeah. There we go. He said, yeah.

[Rory]

This guy has been doing media for so long. Look at how he deflected. I asked about B Dot, his partner.

[Mall]

He started talking and he said, yo.

[Rory]

DJ Head, I can't even with Drake no more.

[Mall]

I said, DJ Head and the boys.

[Elliot Wilson]

I love BDOT.

[Rory]

I said, Brian Miller.

[Elliot Wilson]

Love Brian Miller. Legend.

[Mall]

Yeah, 100%. What's up, though? Where's y'all working relationship at? First of all, where's y'all personal relationship at?

[Elliot Wilson]

And my guy, it's 100.

[Mall]

When's the last time you spoke to him? You saw him?

[Elliot Wilson]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You tricked us. I thought there was a big return.

[Elliot Wilson]

It's like, I mean, if I saw.

[Mall]

If somebody saw Rory on camera with, you know, D.J. whoever, every week, you can say, D.J.

[Rory]

Head.

[Mall]

Yeah. Or D.J. head. You know what I'm saying? And somebody would ask Rory eventually, like, yo, what's Where.

[Damaris]

Mall.

[Mall]

What's up with mall with all that?

[Elliot Wilson]

So that should be that.

[Mall]

You said that's your third time.

[Elliot Wilson]

Podcast is iconic.

[Mall]

Of course.

[Elliot Wilson]

You know, we get the right situation, we rack at it. You know what I'm saying? Like, we gotta get the right paperwork. Right?

[Mall]

Okay.

[Elliot Wilson]

Right.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Elliot Wilson]

Legendary interviews. Damaris knows, baby, what's up?

[Damaris]

Y'all profit partners?

[Elliot Wilson]

Huh?

[Damaris]

Are y'all profit partners?

[Elliot Wilson]

Of course.

[Damaris]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

I think they're co owners. I don't know.

[Elliot Wilson]

Yeah, whatever. It is.

[Rory]

Like, you got nobody. Is that why he wears a durag all the time?

[Elliot Wilson]

Huh?

[Rory]

Is that why he wears a durag all the time? You got him at 360.

[Elliot Wilson]

That's a South side shit. That's the Jamaica shit. I can't. We, like, we get along south side, I'm Woodside, so it's tough.

[Mall]

So y'all, everything is cool, though, on a personal level?

[Elliot Wilson]

Y'all be that.

[Mall]

No, but how's everything on a personal level? Y'all good?

[Elliot Wilson]

We're good.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Elliot Wilson]

All right.

[Mall]

Just make it sure.

[Elliot Wilson]

So when you get the deal right, you get the best interviews. Like, that's, it's like, yo, there's no interviews anymore. It's like, yo, we just kind of Interviews.

[Mall]

You just don't like the new interviews.

[Elliot Wilson]

Hello.

[Mall]

You've been very vocal in your disdain.

[Elliot Wilson]

Oh, Miles, focus.

[Rory]

I'm just saying, I think, I think it's two things. I think it's two things. Think.

[Elliot Wilson]

Let's go, baby.

[Rory]

Obviously, the podcast space is completely different financially for everybody. I don't care whose pot it is.

[Elliot Wilson]

Yeah.

[Rory]

The times have changed.

[Elliot Wilson]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So I can obviously see that being a thing. You guys both have other shit going on. But to Mall's point, let's say it was the old podcast boom in 2016, 2017. Is there a space for real interviews anymore? Does anyone actually want to sit with two journalists and be interviewed?

[Elliot Wilson]

Or even one? But that's why I'm here, because I got Ellie Wilson Experience launching January 7th. Rock nations powered me. Absol Wale.

[Rory]

Who?

[Elliot Wilson]

I got Absol Wale. Snoop, your favorite. Leon Thomas, my guy.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Elliot Wilson]

Thank you to Rory for pull up. You know what I'm saying? Like, so. Yeah, I think it has to be a space for that. I feel me. I think it does.

[Mall]

I think there is a space still for the traditional interview journalism type of thing. I just think that you caught some slack online because, you know, coming from the era we from.

[Elliot Wilson]

Yep.

[Mall]

You know, I, I, we used to stand. I used to stand in the corner store and read magazines all day. You didn't pay real shit. No, I didn't. Never paid. I just used to read them and then, you know, yo, you steal the.

[Elliot Wilson]

Shit, it counts as a sale.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Really?

[Elliot Wilson]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Oh, okay.

[Elliot Wilson]

If you steal, it's right.

[Mall]

So we come from that. But. But you do that.

[Elliot Wilson]

You boost is a win. You boost is a win.

[Mall]

So you do have to understand how in 20, 23, 24, things have changed.

[Elliot Wilson]

Yes, sir.

[Mall]

Media has changed.

[Elliot Wilson]

Yes, sir.

[Mall]

Technology has made it to where people enjoy things differently now. People want to sit and watch somebody stream and just be in the house and do whatever. And if a celebrity pulls up to kick it with them on their stream, people watch it. They like it.

[Elliot Wilson]

Yes.

[Mall]

It doesn't have to be the prototypical. Hey, let's sit down, let's talk. Let's. People like, I think, you know, for celebrities and things like that, I think they rather feel more comfortable and at ease instead of sitting somewhere and feeling like they're being grilled.

[Elliot Wilson]

Yeah, feels like more of a safe space.

[Mall]

What's going on. And you spoke out about, you know, your feelings on that.

[Elliot Wilson]

It bothers me.

[Mall]

But why does it bother you?

[Elliot Wilson]

Because it's like there needs to be a balance. I think when you put an album out, for example, art, any artist. Right. You put an album out, I don't think the album is like your own reflection of it. I think you need to talk about your art, what you did to somebody you trust or respect. Like it gets lost without that. It's just like one album. Like, oh, put the album out. Even Freddie Gibbs, like y'all shaming Freddie Gibbs album, right? All day, y'all. Freddie gives Freddie Gibbs. He don't wanna talk to nobody. It's like, yo, what the fuck?

[Rory]

But I think Freddy's comes from just more disdain for being in the industry for 10 years and a lot of shit going on. Absolutely.

[Elliot Wilson]

There's an imbalance in the game where.

[Rory]

I think it's odd. And I've defended you all year when it was you versus the streamers just cause you my mans. But I am here to say that my issue is that you haven't leaned all the way into it because I agree with you. There's still. It's okay to have our favorite artists go and have fun on a stream and do a sleepover with Kai. I think it's incredible. But there needs to be somewhat of a balance, especially in a time where if we don't get an interview, we don't know anything about your life. And rappers are more celebrities than they are musicians now.

[Elliot Wilson]

Yeah.

[Rory]

With if I don't get a hoe in, Drake, Nas, if I don't get any of those interviews, I can go to the album and find out where they're at in their life. That's how you get attached as a fan to an artist.

[Elliot Wilson]

Yep.

[Rory]

Now they're more celebrity than they are musician. So who you are as a person is way more important. I think the sit down interview is what people actually cause y'all not talking about in your music.

[Elliot Wilson]

Yo, but why?

[Rory]

So I can't get any type of connection.

[Elliot Wilson]

Why is so cool? We're all media now. But then I was talking to media. It's like it's an imbalance.

[Rory]

Like, I mean media is only Interviewing media because I feel like the fans shifted. And I think we saw that the most. And I don't want to get in a full blown Kendrick Drake thing, but we saw that in May, the complete shift. It was right in front of our faces that these people are fans of content. They're not fans of music. And a lot of those fans are fans of media people. Even though we talk about music, we do talk about a bunch of other shit. It's very much a lifestyle content based game with podcasting and streaming. Like, as much as I do want to hear from Kai about music, that's like a minuscule part of Kai's brand. Kai is Kai's brand, not his opinion on what a Carti song is.

[Elliot Wilson]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So these fans are interested in media. Messy media shit, and media talking to other media less than the artists. Because the artists aren't as interesting maybe as we once thought they were.

[Elliot Wilson]

We have to have the interviews that balance the commentary. Right. Like, we have commentary all day, but it's like, yo, where's the conversation with these people that are making the art? But do you think, where's that balance? Like, there's no balance anymore.

[Rory]

Do you think there's a lot of artists that have good teams behind them that are telling them, don't go do that, because people have a different view of you when you have to do a long form. I saw with the presidency shit where everyone was saying, yo, Trump did a great thing by going with Rogan. People got to know him for three hours. Not to about politics. To carry a three hour conversation.

[Elliot Wilson]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And Kamala's team said they didn't want to do that because it was exposing too much of who she really was. She can't control a three hour interview.

[Elliot Wilson]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I think people are getting the same advice to their artists, whether it be label execs or matrix. We know how you are when you're not on a microphone. Everyone's gonna dislike you. So if you have to do a two hour interview with someone that's really a journalist, if I'm managing an artist I know is not built for that, I'm definitely gonna tell them, yo, do it live and we'll do it.

[Elliot Wilson]

I'm prepared to tell the truth. Right. Like, is Drake prepared to have a real conversation about everything that went on, like Kendrick Cole? Are they prepared right now to have a real conversation? Maybe not.

[Rory]

Okay, probably. But why would they owe that this soon, even though I would want to?

[Elliot Wilson]

They don't owe it, I'm saying, but they're not ready for it, I don't think right now.

[Mall]

But why do you say they're not ready for it?

[Elliot Wilson]

Because it requires so much honesty of, like, really looking at the whole landscape of what happened. The introspection of it. It's like, yo, we're not there yet.

[Rory]

But with people like Cole and Drake, I think we're gonna get that in the music on the next album. Both of them. So, yeah, of course, I'd want them to sit down and have to really answer to certain questions. I would love for Kendrick to sit with someone and someone straight up ask, do you really think Drake is a pedophile? Like, I want those questions, of course. But with them, I don't care as much because they will put that in the music. Yeah, these younger artists, they don't. They're not saying shit either. So where is the connection at this point?

[Mall]

Well, the young artists don't even know how to talk.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I was gonna say that. They're not doing interviews. Cause they're not.

[Mall]

I don't wanna hear half of these young artists speak. They don't even know how to talk.

[Rory]

But y'all say that. But there's also this other group of artists that are now content creators. They're media. Like we. We always do the city girl number seven as a joke. But she is young. Miami is good at what she does for the purpose of it. There is still a side. And those people that could do great interviewers are now becoming the media. Media?

[Elliot Wilson]

Yes. Everybody's media. Summer Walker's media. Cameras running like he's Stephen A. Smith. It's what we're dealing with.

[Mall]

Are you saying, like, he's Stephen A. Why he not running around like Cameron?

[Elliot Wilson]

He's Cameron.

[Mall]

That's what people would be mad at you about when you say, like that.

[Rory]

Which I think he should lean out, be the old villain od.

[Damaris]

That was hate.

[Mall]

You know what I'm saying? That's why I think people be mad at you.

[Elliot Wilson]

Oh, it's.

[Mall]

Hey, Cam is running around like. Like he's Stephen A. Smith.

[Elliot Wilson]

No, watch this for journalists. Because he has an opinion. Why?

[Rory]

But him and Mace have proved to have a good opinion that people having.

[Elliot Wilson]

A job and really check because the bag is there.

[Mall]

But Elliot, you don't think that we all come from the culture of. We all sit around in our neighborhoods in front of our buildings.

[Elliot Wilson]

But Mars, you a journalist.

[Mall]

But I'm just saying we all sit around in our groups with our friends, talk about music.

[Elliot Wilson]

Absolutely.

[Mall]

That's all these guys are doing right now.

[Rory]

But that's not fair. Is Shannon Sharpe a journalist?

[Elliot Wilson]

No, but that's the easiest experience from it. That's where the athlete becomes the mediator. That's the easier Charles Barkley. That's the easier transition.

[Mall]

So why is it easier for the athlete but not the artist?

[Elliot Wilson]

It's not easier, but I don't like it. Cause like, you imagine, like, this is the shit I do well, and not everybody want to do it, and they get slipped off that shit.

[Mall]

You don't like it because you feel like they're not coming to the journalists to have these conversations.

[Elliot Wilson]

I'm real with that.

[Mall]

Which affects your bottom line.

[Elliot Wilson]

All I ever do is me with that. So then you want to be that off celebrity or what? So I could talk about that. I don't like that shit and not be a hater. It's reality. I don't like it.

[Mall]

You don't like it because you don't think they're good at it.

[Elliot Wilson]

I know I'm better at it, okay? It's me. It's my life.

[Mall]

Okay?

[Damaris]

But Elliott, what would it make you better at it? Because in this day and age, it's just not about getting the information right. It's about who's more entertained training. So who are you to say I'm better at this than them? When? What?

[Elliot Wilson]

I'll prove it to you. I'm better than you. Like, I'm the best. I'm more informed.

[Damaris]

Are you better at telling a story? Are you 100% getting accurate?

[Elliot Wilson]

They're not better. Like, yes, she cringeworthy. I watch this. It's not good.

[Rory]

She ain't popping this.

[Elliot Wilson]

This ain't popping.

[Rory]

I don't agree.

[Elliot Wilson]

What's the cat? What's the camera? Interview was like your camera. I really asked the questions. What are you talking about?

[Rory]

No, but what. What interview did Cam take away from something of. Let's. Let's say we're the hip hop. Even if Mall and I aren't journalists, we're still in hip hop media. You are a hip hop journalist. What interview did Cam take away from us?

[Elliot Wilson]

They have celebrity has access to different things that I may not have. And again, I do feel like they underperform.

[Rory]

See, I think I have to push every time. I have to push Mel there. Because you have had 25 years of relationships with publicists, PR interviews, 30, the three majors where Cam, yes, Cam is a celebrity and has, you know, relationships for him being in the game for 30 years. But you have direct relationships with the majors that the rest of the podcasting world Never had. So you still do have that. I think we have to go back to the period at the end of the sentence of what the fans want. And with Cam or Young Miami, maybe they just want to be entertained. With Kai, they just want to be entertained. They don't want to be. They don't want to be informed.

[Elliot Wilson]

The access goes to them above me. That's the problem I have. That's what it comes down to. You see what I'm saying? Because it seems sexy. Like, yo, Cam's the sports reporter now. Hey.

[Rory]

Okay, but let's not act like.

[Elliot Wilson]

Right?

[Rory]

That's not always been hip hop or entertainment. At the time, we've seen things that were hot and then failed immediately. But at that time, that was the hot shit that people went to. And they like any jump.

[Elliot Wilson]

They don't have to fail. It's all good. They can do their thing. I'm just saying, like, yo, I'm competing. I want a shot. I'm in this. I'm still here. I want to compete.

[Rory]

But that. I mean, that goes back.

[Mall]

But now you sound like the old nigga in the park that don't get picked up no more.

[Elliot Wilson]

And I don't want to be that. You're right.

[Mall]

Yeah, but not. I'm not. And I'm not saying that you are that, because I know your work. I'm from New York City. I know Elliott Wilson's work, my nigga. But I'm just. I'm just. I do understand at the same time, like, there was a time where what I was into growing up, you know, my parents and my uncles, they was kind of like, yo, what is that y'all listening to?

[Elliot Wilson]

That's great, Mal. It wasn't fly to be media.

[Mall]

No, that's a fact, nigga.

[Elliot Wilson]

You're media.

[Mall]

That's a fact.

[Elliot Wilson]

You built a whole foundation. Yeah, it wasn't.

[Mall]

Yeah, but that.

[Elliot Wilson]

You did that. You did, both of y'all.

[Mall]

Yeah, it wasn't fly.

[Rory]

That, plus the format changing, whether it be social media. Cause print was cool, but it was never sexy. Because at the end of the shit, it was just fly.

[Elliot Wilson]

I made as fly as I could back then with xxl. Right? It wasn't that fly.

[Rory]

But I feel like you. And this is why I was defending you all year, you adapted and why I think people like Kai and other streamers should look at you. Cause I watched you since I was a kid adapt to the new shit every time. The source was the source. It was the only thing dead. Or that was it the Bible. There could Never be another magazine shifted, went to xxl. Everyone was blackballed. All right, I'll go with the people that are blackballed. Here you go. Here's 50 Cent on a cover, double XL. Like, you always shifted with that. Then when the blogs came, even though you pissed off. Not Right. And everyone else because they felt like you were late to the party, to the regular consumer, you weren't.

[Elliot Wilson]

You hated Rap Radar, right?

[Rory]

Rap Radar came.

[Elliot Wilson]

Oh, my God.

[Rory]

But then how all those bloggers viewed you, I think is how you're viewing someone like Cam'ron. Because you have all the connections and relationships that maybe Sk Lo Mech and them didn't have, but you still looked like somebody that was at the forefront of shifting to blogs. Then we made podcast and popping. Then Rap Radar podcast came and you took God knows how many interviews from us. But you continue to adapt. So that's why. That's why I'm shocked to hear the things that you're saying now, because I've only known you to adapt.

[Elliot Wilson]

And you're right. I'm in the process of adapting. I got my own LA Wilson experience thing popping off January 7th. Interviews, bigger picture with DJ head Jeremy. Heck, I'm trying. I'm out here, but.

[Rory]

And I think what you guys have done this year with the elephant in the room. Let's talk about it with Drake and Kendrick.

[Elliot Wilson]

West Coast Wilson.

[Rory]

I know you're West Coast Wilson.

[Elliot Wilson]

Let's go.

[Mall]

West Coast Wilson is crazy. Let me just. Let me just put that out there. I didn't want to make calling yourself West. West Coast Wilson is absolutely crazy. You've been in LA how many years now?

[Elliot Wilson]

No. A little.

[Mall]

Not even two years, right?

[Elliot Wilson]

Yeah. Two, three.

[Mall]

Call it west coast. You. East Village radio is like a staple. Like, what are we, West Coast? You abandoned the East Village radio.

[Rory]

I think. I think Drake walked in the East Village. No security to do that interview.

[Elliot Wilson]

Yeah, he did Oliver all dolo, like, mad.

[Mall]

All right, so let's get to. Let's get to the shit.

[Elliot Wilson]

Let's get to the shit. Let's go, Ma.

[Rory]

Because I have some questions.

[Mall]

So what's up, man? Because honestly, I feel like had Elliott Wilson not been relocated and living on the west coast in California.

[Elliot Wilson]

Okay.

[Mall]

I feel like your stance on a lot of the whole Kendrick, Drake shit would be different.

[Elliot Wilson]

Wow. Okay.

[Mall]

Okay. I feel like it was by proxy of.

[Elliot Wilson]

Talk about it.

[Mall]

Yo, it's palm trees, it's sunshine, it's pretty women. You know, it's like it's 60s outside. And see what I'M saying it's Pirus. Outside it. I'm West Coast Wilson now. You know what I'm saying? Like, I feel like if Elliot was still living in New York City, I don't feel like your stance on a lot of things would be what it is right now, bro. I'm gonna be honest. I don't think so.

[Elliot Wilson]

I love you, Mark. I received that. Yeah, my therapist said I received that.

[Mall]

But no speed to it, though. How much of it is because you were on the way. You felt that energy, you felt that, you know, the entire California.

[Elliot Wilson]

I'm extremely disappointed that our guy, the boy lost his battle.

[Mall]

But why do you feel like he lost the battle?

[Elliot Wilson]

Because he never viewed him as a worthy opponent. Underestimated his opponents. Like, he's like, yo, I take this shit seriously.

[Mall]

Now we disagree. Now we got our first disagreement. We got our first disagreement of the night.

[Elliot Wilson]

I'm here.

[Mall]

I'm on the opposite side of that.

[Elliot Wilson]

I feel like he doesn't think Kendrick's on his level.

[Mall]

I don't see. I don't believe that.

[Elliot Wilson]

He does not. No, he still doesn't.

[Mall]

I don't think Drake still doesn't. I don't think Drake engages with anybody unless he feels like they're worthy.

[Elliot Wilson]

No, but he turned everything into 20 v 1. Everything with everything he did. Was that literally a family matter? He's like, I gotta get serious about it. I gotta get focused. Family Matters. He says that about the shit. He can't focus.

[Rory]

That's because the first part of Family Matters was from the beat of push ups. And it felt like he probably had most of that done already. Yeah. And then continued on.

[Elliot Wilson]

It wasn't like, yo, Kendrick is a threat to me. He could be greater than me. Drake never thought that.

[Mall]

Yeah. But ever. So you.

[Rory]

I don't think he's replying to the 20v1 unless Kendrick is involved in it or Kendrick was the one that said something on like that. If like that doesn't have Kendrick, I don't think he's replying to the Weeknd with, I think it's just gonna be a sub.

[Elliot Wilson]

No, of course.

[Rory]

Future just a sub. I don't think we get the Metro. Shut your hoe ass up. I don't think we get any of the 20v one if Kendrick's not involved.

[Elliot Wilson]

Well, we know Kendrick always wanted to, like, have the battle with dude and try to tear him down, but everybody. But then he was never like, he's my opponent, so when he challenges me, I'm gonna, like, get him. Right.

[Rory]

Well, you started.

[Elliot Wilson]

You see what I'm saying makes sense, right? I started. What?

[Rory]

The Kendrick and DRAKE Tension was 100% your fault.

[Elliot Wilson]

Okay, Control verse.

[Rory]

Control verse came out. Everyone laughed about it. Crown Mac Miller put out a beautiful tweet. Everyone. That was really.

[Elliot Wilson]

What was the Mac Miller tweet?

[Rory]

Can I still use, like, verbs and similes or something? He said. Matt said something hilarious. A lot of people took it with a grain of salt that it was just competition.

[Elliot Wilson]

Okay.

[Rory]

You interviewed Drake live after nothing was the same.

[Elliot Wilson]

Yep.

[Rory]

And Drake sounded. I'm not saying this was the case. I'm just observing as a fan. Sounded like he was a bit in his feelings because his temperament changed and said, do you remember any other line off that? Which is cool. He's entitled to do that. That started everything to me when he was on stage with you.

[Elliot Wilson]

Damn.

[Mall]

So what would you. What would you like to see Drake do post battle?

[Rory]

Interview him.

[Mall]

You know what? Let's get to it. Same city, Same city. You enter in Toronto. You're in Toronto at the Rogers center.

[Elliot Wilson]

At the Roger Center. I like that.

[Mall]

Kendrick is five hours from performing.

[Rory]

You know what? Let's not put you at the Roger Center. Let's put you in. Let's put you in the Marriott around the corner of Toronto.

[Mall]

Let's put you in a beautiful hotel in Toronto.

[Rory]

Right?

[Mall]

Let's put you at the one hotel.

[Elliot Wilson]

Let's do it. Let's do it.

[Mall]

And you get a text from Kendrick that says, yo, listen, I have a window from five to six. I'm open.

[Elliot Wilson]

Big window.

[Mall]

Can I. Do you want to do an interview real quick?

[Elliot Wilson]

Yes, sir.

[Mall]

And you say, okay, cool. I'm on my way. Ten minutes later, Drake texts you to saying, yo, listen, I'm flying out at 7pm I'm free five to six. If you want to get this interview real quick, let me know. I'll send the call for you.

[Rory]

He. He can find a loophole on this one. I'm gonna change it just a bit. Both them text you at 4:30pm and say, At 5pm I'm pushing one back.

[Elliot Wilson]

I'm getting both.

[Rory]

I can only do five to find.

[Mall]

You can't push nothing back.

[Rory]

Which interview are you taking?

[Mall]

How you can't. You don't have the power to push Kendrick Lamar. Drake.

[Elliot Wilson]

I'm taking Drake. I'm taking Drake above Kendrick. Yeah, because. More.

[Mall]

Why?

[Elliot Wilson]

Because that's the story.

[Damaris]

Drake is the one who has to, like, respond now. Kendrick is all he's had to say, nobody cares what.

[Rory]

I said. Drake right away too talk to him. There's more questions that we have interviewed.

[Elliot Wilson]

Cause we never seen him be the like, catch an L like that.

[Mall]

You just keep it real.

[Elliot Wilson]

Let's go.

[Mall]

I'm gonna keep it real.

[Elliot Wilson]

Let's go, ma.

[Mall]

Why would you take that interview? Why would you take the Drake interview? And don't tell me it's because people want to hear from Drake.

[Elliot Wilson]

Why would you take the main reason who Kendrick is in terms of his legacy compared to him? That's the big battle. We know it's the big three. It's like Kendrick, Dre, Colt. What does Kendrick mean to his legacy? Right? Cause you know, he's an icon. He's great. But what does Kendrick mean? Is he a worthy rival? Who is he to him?

[Mall]

Obviously he's a worthy rival.

[Elliot Wilson]

He battled, but he never treated that nigga like he was. That's why he lost. I'm telling you every time.

[Rory]

And I got go back and listen.

[Elliot Wilson]

It wasn't there.

[Rory]

I don't know if this stuff is true, but from the west coast affiliates to Kendrick, people that have like a one degree of separation relationship with him or direct to have given me damn near every question I had about what was happening that week in May. Do you agree with your co hosts on 405 radar that what radar? That all of us need to move all our music to 90 bpm because Kendrick Lamar won a rap battle.

[Elliot Wilson]

Now shout out. DJ Head out.

[Rory]

Look, we love DJ Head.

[Elliot Wilson]

It's incredible.

[Rory]

Now do you guys start that show without the battle? Cause we've had Head in our green rooms. We argue all the time. I think he has a great.

[Elliot Wilson]

And I told him that forever me and the boy would never be good. Because I started a show with him as the opp. Cause he challenged Drake at the time we push ups when it first came out. Is it a real record? You putting it out? Academics was playing it. It wasn't real. Head challenged him like, yo, it's your record. Claim it, bring it to streaming. That's what happened. I was there.

[Rory]

I think I have a great question to put the bow on this conversation. Because I am a man without a country. I have no flag in this. But this has been a conversation post battle.

[Elliot Wilson]

Innocent white man.

[Rory]

Innocent white man for how DJ Head was. Cause I don't want to use cape and any of those weird words. I think DJ Head just is a fan of Kendrick Lamar and has a relationship and he's always defended the west coast forever. That's been Head way before this battle. Yes, People have been saying that Kendrick owes DJ Head some form of an interview. And people have said Drake owes Maul or even Ax some type of interview based on.

[Elliot Wilson]

I'm here for all that.

[Mall]

No, you don't.

[Elliot Wilson]

I'm here for all that.

[Rory]

I wanted to ask ask both of y'all opinion on that. I never felt like that's an artist owes someone. But we started this conversation with Elliot saying he's pissed that these artists aren't sitting down with people. And if like, yo, we helped in a battle from some certain platform or Cape Jr. No one wasn't.

[Elliot Wilson]

There's too much media. They didn't say that there's too much media without the conversation of, like, with the artists. I'm saying it's an imbalance, right? Can we admit it's one way we commentary all day. There's no conversation and no engagement. It's an imbalance. Not cool. Like, I think if you put a record out, like, that's one thing, but like, to act like, I put the record on, I talk about it. It's like, why? Why? Like, you're violating yourself. Like, what? What was my My man's mind with gnx? Like what? Like, talk about the album, like, to people, like, why? Why is it cool to not do interviews? Why is it cool for them not to talk to us when everybody wants to be media right now?

[Rory]

I thought, this is weird. The Sza and Kendrick interview was great. Did you see the only thing that they clipped? There's pages and pages of amazing conversation between two superstar artists that are both in their almost mid-30s, that are going through life changes. That was an incredible combo.

[Elliot Wilson]

Yeah.

[Rory]

What was clipped?

[Elliot Wilson]

Bullshit, right?

[Rory]

Three sentences of fucking nonsense. So even artists that would sit down and have a real intellectual conversation or even sit with someone, because I know Sza and Kendrick obviously have years and years of a relationship outside of just music, even that gets clipped to bullshit.

[Elliot Wilson]

So why I would point to me like, I don't feel like it has been clipped that way with the rap radar, with Jay Z, sure. Will Smith, Drake, like, it's not been clipped that way. So.

[Mall]

But again, that's my argument.

[Rory]

Different times, because I provided that you're looking at 2016 and hip hop now lives in one year is five years. Or I could even argue one year is 10 years. The way things move.

[Elliot Wilson]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

2016 was a different time. And even with a lot of that 444 interview, that is one of my favorites ever in podcasting.

[Elliot Wilson]

Thank you, brother.

[Rory]

A lot of the bullshit was clipped, too. And Then when he did, when he did the New York Times and sat like this for three hours, which I have no idea how he did that. That they clipped cheating rumors. He said amazing things in that New York Times article. It's always going to be clipped with the at this point. So I get the frustration of even artists that don't want to sit. I do. I think it's odd that Drake did the Aiden Ross instead. Sure. But that's the time we're in now. Yeah. Should I complain about the artist or should I complain about the time? We don't even need to make it Drake specific. Should I complain about the audience and the era we're in or should I be mad at the artist for making the decision that's better for their career? In the time that we're living in, at the time when Double XL was popping. Yeah. It made sense for an artist to go have a write up from Elliot Wilson. They would did what was right for their career. That now whether we like it or not, is what the streamers are. They're making a better decision.

[Elliot Wilson]

You're actually an artist yourself. Right. So you make an album. It's like yo, you don't feel like you should go anywhere to explain. Go about your album.

[Rory]

Go look at my somebody go look at my minuscule press run that I did and why I didn't want to do much. And I love talking like Kev love talking to yes AD everyone what was clipped from all that podcast gossip. Wow me. Me get getting off my square coming out of some emotional because I saw another clip. Nobody wanted to talk to me about my fucking R and B album.

[Elliot Wilson]

That's fair.

[Rory]

And even when I do reach out.

[Elliot Wilson]

To certain R and B platforms got em type shit.

[Rory]

I think they exist. But also it's tough to even promote. So my thinking was all right, I guess what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If I can at least get on these platforms to have the clickbaity conversations that I usually tend to stay away from.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But also promote my R and B album that did sell better than a lot of major artists talk about it.

[Mall]

That's the way.

[Rory]

But let's look at somebody like Offset for example. So much, so much shit going on in his personal life that. Not that I particularly care to hear a real sit down interview from, but I think there is a deeper conversation.

[Mall]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

With. With his relationship with the right interviewer.

[Elliot Wilson]

Yes.

[Rory]

But with his image and how the Stan culture fights the other stand culture. And it doesn't even Matter the records. It's all about, you know, it's. It's the Eagles and the Giants.

[Elliot Wilson]

Am I wrong?

[Rory]

It's better for his image to go to Kai's house and dance. He looks like a happy person.

[Elliot Wilson]

So I can't. I can't accept that. That bothers me, and I want to be that person.

[Rory]

I. I think you should be mad.

[Elliot Wilson]

I'm mad.

[Rory]

Like, yo, because if he went and.

[Elliot Wilson]

Me and Drake fell out, like, my feelings are hurt. Like, I'm a real person. Like, what you. Why has it got to be fake? It's like. It's what it is. Like, yo, like, I wanted to be that person to media. Right?

[Rory]

You were, though, and can continue to be. You just have to adjust to what the audience is now.

[Elliot Wilson]

Okay.

[Rory]

And I think a lot of that comes from what you're doing with Elliott, experience with talking with artists that do want to talk about music.

[Elliot Wilson]

Exactly. Like, you got Leon Thomas.

[Rory]

Like, Leon Thomas.

[Mall]

A phenomenal album.

[Elliot Wilson]

Best album, y'all. Y'all crowned it.

[Mall]

Shout Out Freddie. Freddie. I think Freddie has the best rap album ever.

[Elliot Wilson]

Okay. Freddie.

[Mall]

I love.

[Elliot Wilson]

I wanted to bring it up. I love Freddy.

[Mall]

The whole.

[Elliot Wilson]

Like, the skits with the whole narrative.

[Mall]

But I understand it, though. I get the skits. It's not good, but I get the skits because he's speaking to his vices and things that he's recognizing and taking accountability for that he's done to himself and his career throughout the years. So I. I get that part of it. I just think it went a little too.

[Elliot Wilson]

Yeah, it's not executed well.

[Rory]

It kind of fucked with the listenings.

[Mall]

It kind of fucked. Shout Out Gangster gives the rapping, the production.

[Rory]

It's the best rap album.

[Elliot Wilson]

Phenomenal is like, yo, you way. Y'all like, making Freddy gives the album to yo. Like, I gotta talk to Rory about this. I'm like, yo, I can't deal with the whole skits of this. Like, it's crazy.

[Rory]

And he put. He did it in reverse. Like, the better skits are. Towards the end. It just popped off with. Again, concept was great execution.

[Elliot Wilson]

No, but he also. He was a 20. 2020 record. You lost that up. Sampling the. It's our anniversary. It got taken off.

[Rory]

Oh, that's not.

[Elliot Wilson]

That's one of the best songs that got taken off.

[Rory]

Just listen to this.

[Elliot Wilson]

He didn't clear it.

[Rory]

Oh, God damn.

[Elliot Wilson]

I don't think he did.

[Mall]

Yeah, that. That. That Freddie Gibbs one, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

My personal for. For this year, which we talked about on last episode, But I am curious what your rap top ten was. I have Gibbs at number one, Dochi, Vince Staples, number three, Tyler, number four, Tara Whack, number five, Cole, number six, Schoolboy Q. Number seven, Kendrick, eight, nine, Future Metro, ten Rhapsody. This is my personal taste. This isn't what I think like the.

[Mall]

Top is, but my top three is.

[Elliot Wilson]

Kendrick, gnx, Tyler, and then Future Metro. I trust you.

[Rory]

Okay?

[Elliot Wilson]

Those are my top three.

[Mall]

Wait, Kendrick what?

[Elliot Wilson]

GNX Mall. You never heard this album called gnx?

[Mall]

Never heard of it.

[Elliot Wilson]

From the guy that won the battle?

[Mall]

Never heard of it.

[Elliot Wilson]

Did the pop out?

[Mall]

Shit, no. So Freddy's not.

[Elliot Wilson]

Dropped the album.

[Mall]

So Freddie's not in your top three?

[Elliot Wilson]

That not top three. No, for real. What?

[Rory]

Freddy rapping his personal taste though. You got it.

[Mall]

But Freddy rapping his ass up. I just not top. I ain't saying they got to be number one. But not even top three rapping. Who you think Tyler rapped better than Freddy?

[Elliot Wilson]

Tyler's. Tyler's the man.

[Mall]

Get the out of here.

[Elliot Wilson]

Big Tyler.

[Mall]

Tyler. I love Tyler. Big Tyler, but he didn't rap better than Freddy. Big Tyler on his album. Get the fuck out of here.

[Elliot Wilson]

Big Tyler stepped up.

[Mall]

You sound crazy as hell.

[Rory]

I'm not. Freddie rapped better on his album for sure.

[Elliot Wilson]

Better rapper.

[Rory]

I can totally understand saying that Tyler's album would be better.

[Elliot Wilson]

Talking about that type of. I get that. I'm saying. But that bar. It's not about bars. Competition. I'm something like the music itself.

[Mall]

Did you guys think when the last time you listened to that Tyler album?

[Elliot Wilson]

That was the thing, Ra T, like, I love that shit. It's crazy.

[Rory]

I listen to it over Christmas break for sure.

[Mall]

Yo, man, I can't.

[Elliot Wilson]

20,000 on me.

[Rory]

Ma does that a lot. Trying to tell me when was the last time he listened to it and doesn't believe me when I'm like on.

[Mall]

My way here listening to these people not. Man, this year is. I saw your year in wrap ups.

[Elliot Wilson]

No, this year is Drake.

[Mall]

It was party.

[Elliot Wilson]

Topy is very clear. Kendrick, gnx.

[Rory]

It was Cardi, Tyler.

[Mall]

I said party.

[Elliot Wilson]

And Future Metro. The first one. Those are the top three.

[Mall]

Okay for you? All right, I get it. I respect it.

[Rory]

Party next door was everybody.

[Mall]

I. That's not my top three. What you talking about?

[Elliot Wilson]

Freddy Gibbs and then Freddy.

[Mall]

I don't know. I don't remember my list. It was. I think Freddie, you don't do the order.

[Elliot Wilson]

You like. You like. You don't do the order.

[Mall]

Freddie was number one. I. I know that everything else Kind of was like depending on the day terrible. Yeah, but that don't mean the songs was terrible. Now. Now it sound like you. You nitpicking now.

[Elliot Wilson]

You said the skits was terrible.

[Mall]

So you're saying because the skits was terrible, that means the album doesn't get.

[Elliot Wilson]

Hey, hey, Freddy Gibbs like, yo, what the devil.

[Mall]

Yeah, but you know, you ain't getting.

[Rory]

One over your head.

[Elliot Wilson]

That's gay. It's not. That's not. That's not gang.

[Rory]

What the we talking about talking to the devil. That's gang. Gang.

[Elliot Wilson]

That's not hot, but all right.

[Rory]

Has there been great album Sabotage, his own shit. Kanye always had really good skits. Good kid, mad city great skits. Eminem like him or not. Those Paul skits, even when he was doing weird ICP fellatio shit. It was. It was a time, whether we like it or not. Not. Yeah, Gives album might be the first one that I said could potentially was my favorite, but could be a classic with bad skits. That may be the first time that's happened in rap history.

[Mall]

Right now, that's the album. If the skits wasn't on it, I'm.

[Rory]

Not going to get a few months.

[Elliot Wilson]

But they worked in his favor the whole album.

[Rory]

What's that? Tory Lane's album. That was actually good. But the skits were God awful.

[Mall]

I think that was his first album.

[Rory]

His first one. Yeah. Those were. Those were rough.

[Elliot Wilson]

That's. How about Freddy? That's how I feel with that.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Elliot Wilson]

Like, I would love that. Afraid to have those skits. I would love it way more.

[Rory]

Everyone, this has nothing to do with the convo we had before for all the dogs. I thought those skits were weird.

[Elliot Wilson]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Either make it a radio show or don't, like, commit to it or don't.

[Mall]

I don't even remember those kids.

[Rory]

He's like, all halfway through the album, all of a sudden it's Snoop Dogg's on the radio, and I'm like, radio?

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

We've been listening to radio the whole time.

[Mall]

Okay. Yeah, yeah.

[Elliot Wilson]

Going to slime you out, right? Yeah. Okay. It's weird.

[Rory]

So. Yeah, I feel you on that.

[Mall]

So Freddie don't have skits on his album. Does it make your top three top ten?

[Elliot Wilson]

Not top three.

[Mall]

So it's not even top ten for you.

[Elliot Wilson]

My top three is very clear. It's Kendrick.

[Mall]

Freddie's not in your top ten.

[Elliot Wilson]

Future Metro.

[Mall]

Freddy's not in your top ten.

[Elliot Wilson]

I'm confident in my top three.

[Mall]

No, your top ten. Freddy's album is not in your top ten.

[Elliot Wilson]

No, I said top ten. It might be in the top ten. The bottom half of the top ten. Yeah.

[Damaris]

Damn. Sorry.

[Mall]

That's crazy. Damn, Baby D with the saying, what was not 10?

[Elliot Wilson]

Rap. Come on, dog.

[Mall]

Bro, it was not 10 rap albums better than Freddy's album this year. We're not doing that. We're not doing that, Elliot. We are not doing that. It was not 10 rap albums better than. You only died once.

[Elliot Wilson]

Your mom, I almost want her to.

[Rory]

Pull up 20, 24 rap albums and make you answer this.

[Mall]

Yeah, like you're not saying, man, Freddy's album is a top 10 rap album this year, bro.

[Elliot Wilson]

It might be in the bottom half. I said that. Top three is solidified, okay? It's Kendrick, Tyler, Future, and Metro. The first one, I feel confident that's my top three.

[Rory]

Is it better than J. Cole might delete later, even though that's an EP to me. But it was.

[Elliot Wilson]

I don't count that.

[Rory]

No.

[Elliot Wilson]

Yes. That's low with me too.

[Rory]

But it was considered album of the year with the Grammys.

[Mall]

You said it was some bullshit cold fan.

[Elliot Wilson]

Oh, shit.

[Rory]

It wasn't.

[Damaris]

No. You don't gotta be disrespectful. It wasn't bullshit.

[Elliot Wilson]

Where's the fall off? Talking about the fall off.

[Mall]

You were necrotic.

[Damaris]

I don't know who you asked.

[Elliot Wilson]

Who were the fall off? The fall of it. You think it's half stepping Last year, nigga. Half stepping.

[Mall]

How do you feel about Cole throughout all of this?

[Rory]

Did. Did you get your riser passes to the garden?

[Elliot Wilson]

That was a lot of questions.

[Mall]

I'm just asking, how do you feel about. How do you feel about Cole through all of this? Cause you're a hip hop journalist and you know what hip hop culture is. You know what we witnessed us witnessing, that was absolute blasphemy. You know that.

[Elliot Wilson]

It was you. Are you shining that, my G?

[Mall]

I'm just saying, y'all had an amazing year.

[Elliot Wilson]

Shout out to Rory Mars.

[Mall]

Well, thank you for that. I appreciate that. Shout out to you, DJ team.

[Rory]

Yes. You guys did as well.

[Elliot Wilson]

Yeah. Cause you. You. You called it what it was. I feel the same way. I called it what it was at the time. What I don't like is that I thought the Port Antonio record was dope, but everybody took the record was like, yo, he said, if I was in the battle, I would have bowed. I lost a friend. And they like, they gravitated towards that. Where they didn't appreciate the record, how dope it was.

[Mall]

But he knew that as A. As a writer, he knew what that boy.

[Elliot Wilson]

I hate that shit, though.

[Mall]

But he knew what that boy.

[Elliot Wilson]

As soon as you get like caught up in that one lyric and like, yo, oh, dismiss it, blah, blah.

[Mall]

But what I'm saying is Cole knew what that bar was going to do.

[Elliot Wilson]

No, he didn't. I don't think he did.

[Rory]

He definitely did.

[Elliot Wilson]

He didn't.

[Mall]

Are you kidding me?

[Rory]

That's like him doing an interview.

[Mall]

He's speaking directly to the back.

[Elliot Wilson]

No, but the backlash of that bar, not representing and respecting the song. Song was dope.

[Mall]

Yeah, the song was dope.

[Rory]

I think he was prepared going into it, knowing that that was going to be dissected, those two bars, rather than absolutely the story he told about his life.

[Elliot Wilson]

But it's crazy how people could take a look. Even with Hard Part six. They took it like, yo, Drake sounds defeated. That wasn't his intent. Right. And then he run with that shit. It's like, yo, that's the narrative.

[Rory]

It's crazy, but that's been forever. Like Blueprint 2 HOV is talking on that. What's the only.

[Elliot Wilson]

Exactly.

[Rory]

What's the only line that was dissected? Just cause he wear a Kufi, it don't mean that he's bright. Yeah, but go into that record, there's so much other stuff. And I think Jay knew that going into it. And I think Cole knew that as well. He just wanted to put out a good record. If I have to address it, let me attach it to some shit that's not. Because my real fans also care about my music rather than just the battle.

[Elliot Wilson]

I think Cole's dope. I think Cole has a soft spot that he can never really go at Kendrick or Drake.

[Mall]

He can't go at. No, no, he can't go at nobody.

[Elliot Wilson]

No, everybody else don't.

[Mall]

Honestly can't do that. No, he can't do that.

[Elliot Wilson]

Everybody but Cole and Drake, bro.

[Mall]

Listen, Freddie, I'm telling you, on Freddie album, Freddie kind of threw a shot at Cole. Cole can't say nothing.

[Elliot Wilson]

He would do it.

[Rory]

He can't.

[Mall]

No, Cole can't go at nobody. He can't. I don't believe that's selective power. You can't do that in hip hop. You can't pick and choose.

[Elliot Wilson]

He's caught up in the whole little brother, big brother shit with Kendrick and Drake. He is. Everybody else can get that smoke.

[Rory]

Elliot.

[Elliot Wilson]

Not Cole, I feel like.

[Rory]

But Cole from you are way too tactical.

[Mall]

He was Muhammad Ali.

[Elliot Wilson]

I did him on three, you did him on two.

[Rory]

You think That J. Cole could go after any rapper unless somebody of the ilk that that's his superior. If like a Nas or Jay Z shot at him. Yes, he could reply jcole. And I'm not on the drastic side. Maul is of. I don't even want to hear a cold lyric when he's talking greasy.

[Mall]

I don't.

[Rory]

I'm here for that. I can't wait for the fall off. And if Cole wants to talk greasy on it, whatever.

[Mall]

I don't.

[Rory]

He cannot go after another rapper ever for the rest of his life. Unless it's somebody that is his elder. I'm saying something first.

[Elliot Wilson]

I don't think I'm saying he's willing to go after them. What I'm trying to say.

[Mall]

No, he's not. He showed us he's not only Kendrick.

[Elliot Wilson]

And Cole is the soft spot. His mind.

[Rory]

That would look weird if he'd ever beef with anyone else. With or without this battle. Because I thought the no Name thing was a conversation. I don't think that was a rap battle.

[Elliot Wilson]

That was bad. He lost that too.

[Rory]

I think the little pumpkin.

[Elliot Wilson]

He lost the no Name. Talk about.

[Mall]

First of all, don't do that.

[Rory]

First of all. Because no Name Is.

[Elliot Wilson]

He lost.

[Rory]

Incredible. No Name Is is one of the better lyricists. She won the battle of this era. And they pieced it up and said that wasn't even a guy.

[Elliot Wilson]

Because he lost. He caught. L lost. Let's talk about it.

[Rory]

I think he brought up some points that she lost during that time. But it was such a heightened time on the timeline. No matter what a man said to a woman, it was going to be taken to a whole nother level.

[Mall]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

So I give Cole some grace on that. Only because no Name gave him grace on it. And they've spoken and it's cool. I think the Lil Pump thing was not a battle. I think he just put that generation in their place. Like, y'all need to relax. I understand that this young generation says.

[Mall]

Whatever Cole battling Little Pump, I think.

[Rory]

He handled that perfectly.

[Mall]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

That was. Let me sit you down and tell you about this game. And look where I got him now. So Cole was correct there. Who else would Cole battle besides Kendrick and Drake? Who would be on his level without it looking weird?

[Mall]

And that's why I was mad that he did what he did because we finally had the moment.

[Elliot Wilson]

He was irate.

[Mall]

No, but. But you know why? But you know why? Because if you go back. But if you go back to the beginning. If you go back to the beginning, if you go back to the beginning. I said, I don't. I don't care if Drake responds or not. Yeah, I want to hear Cole. Cause we never saw Cole in that type of a battle. So I was more interested to see him. His performance, because he's one of the MCs in the record.

[Elliot Wilson]

When you heard the record, do you felt it was like half hearted when he did the record? I felt it was right.

[Mall]

I felt like it was the good.

[Elliot Wilson]

The second part of the record conducted. That beat was so dope. But it still was like he wasn't fully like.

[Mall]

I'm not gonna say it was half hearted, but I do remember saying, I feel like this is his Kendrick, yo, chill. You don't want this problem.

[Elliot Wilson]

Chill. Yeah, Yeah.

[Mall]

I didn't feel like it was. I didn't feel like he was gonna delete and apologize, but I did feel like it was more. I felt like, yo, he got more. He got more steam coming after this. But this is the like, yo, Kendrick, you sure you want to do this? That's what I felt like. That was.

[Rory]

I think it was the strategy that Drake thought he was going into with the 20V1. This is my strategy. I think I'm above everybody. I'll go at all 20 of you because you're coming at me. I think Cole was. Here's an ep. I'm focused on my music. Here's six amazing records that have nothing to do with you. At the end, I'll check the temperature. But my music is so much more important than my battle with you at the time was a perfect strategy. I just gave you six incredible fucking joints. And I'm talking about the fall off. You want to do your little. Like that one Trick Pony shit. Cole set it up perfectly. Drastically changed within 48 hours. But I think Cole had the best setup. The way Drake thought he was devaluing Kendrick by saying, it takes 20 of y'all to come near me. Cole was going knees. I'm focused on my album right now. If you want to shoot real quick. All right, whatever. I'll add that to my already EP that's coming. It just went the other way. But I wouldn't. I get why someone would discredit my delete later. I still have it high on my list because of all the other.

[Mall]

Yeah, still one of my favorite projects.

[Rory]

He was going nuts on that.

[Elliot Wilson]

Yeah, but it was in North Carolina when it came out.

[Mall]

Oh, you would have known if I was at Dreamville. I would have been on somebody's blog. I would have been Going crazy in North Carolina. Like, are you kidding me? I flew down here for this. I came here because I thought we was with the Wreck and performed on.

[Elliot Wilson]

Stage, Mad city, pop classes and door slide.

[Mall]

Yo, what's the riding you? Why you keep. But why you keep quote? Because you've been quoting that boss since you walked in here.

[Rory]

Why he tweets it like all the hours.

[Mall]

Yeah, no, I feel like you, I feel like you all the family. I feel like that's like an underhanded like.

[Elliot Wilson]

No, you showed out this year. Legendary MVP type run.

[Rory]

I knew we were going to get on this, this Drake and Cole tangent. So I'm going to get us off and go back to the original conversation.

[Mall]

Where's B dot one?

[Rory]

Where's B dot number two? Slide number two?

[Elliot Wilson]

He riding you niggas.

[Rory]

I'm going to challenge you to say that artists are still doing sit down interviews. Because Lil Baby, who we would consider in the hip hop world, probably an A list artist, sat down with Charlamagne the God and did a one on one interview. It still exists.

[Elliot Wilson]

Did he delete it? He deleted it. I saw.

[Rory]

No, he deleted. He might delete later.

[Elliot Wilson]

He did.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

That's Charlemagne. Seven minute drill.

[Elliot Wilson]

I think he shut that shit down as far as I know.

[Mall]

Who shut it down? Charlemagne deleted it.

[Elliot Wilson]

For real, you see? Yeah.

[Rory]

Why can we speculate with no information whatsoever? I mean, Charlemagne, who I give credit, asked the questions that the world wanted to know from Lil Baby.

[Elliot Wilson]

That's why I got shut down.

[Rory]

But how could, how could qc, qc.

[Elliot Wilson]

Hello.

[Rory]

I didn't even know Coaching P. Right?

[Elliot Wilson]

Peach, Right? Shut down, right?

[Rory]

Coach and P are some of the best minds that we have, period, in modern hip hop for sure.

[Elliot Wilson]

He shut that down.

[Rory]

They are well aware of what is going to be asked of Baby. And even though we get PC Charlamagne now and he's changed his life, he still, no matter what Charlamagne Tha God is going to ask about Gunna and Young Thug.

[Mall]

Yeah, but why y'all feel like, why.

[Rory]

Would you go into an interview and then be mad that someone asked that question?

[Mall]

Why not send them in there and say, listen, don't ask none of this. Like they would have did that.

[Elliot Wilson]

No, that's the problem. It's like, that's why I'm mad. It's like, yo, like we have to have conversations for real. Like, you're right.

[Rory]

And I think he thought it was.

[Elliot Wilson]

Real and he put it out. But then it was like all of a sudden she went private on YouTube. I'm like, wait, why is it private on YouTube? He shut it down.

[Rory]

Okay, do we think QC shut it down, or do we think. I think QC, that thug may have a better relationship with Gunnar than we actually think. And he shut it down.

[Mall]

Down.

[Elliot Wilson]

Either way, it got shut down. So where are interviews, man?

[Rory]

That's just, you know, some information right now. I'm not letting you off the hook.

[Elliot Wilson]

What? No, I. I think I shut down. I saw it got shut down. I was like, yo, Matthew got it. Like, yo, I see it shut down. Shut down.

[Rory]

All right.

[Elliot Wilson]

Nobody's like, nobody bought It's a light. I was like, yo, it's shut down. Peace knows.

[Rory]

And that's also cuz I came in here and gave Charlemagne his flowers on it. He asked the right questions, but it was only that clip. Two clips that went around. Yeah.

[Elliot Wilson]

I think he felt like, that's not a Charlamagne thing. Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

Because I don't think. I mean, Beatty's proven for most of his career, like, he likes.

[Elliot Wilson]

Because Yachty's like, the home team, his homeboy. So he had the Yachty interview. Okay, that's cool.

[Rory]

Which was much better than the show.

[Elliot Wilson]

Yeah, exactly. So he did. Yachty was like, yo, that's cool. The vibes of that school. But talking to him and like, whoa. I don't like to. I don't like the reaction to that. Like, nah, that.

[Mall]

But you see the comfortability level in little baby sitting with Charlemagne versus sitting with Yachty.

[Elliot Wilson]

Exactly.

[Mall]

He seemed more comfortable with y'all, seemed more willing to talk about certain things.

[Elliot Wilson]

Always my goal. I want to make somebody feel comfortable to have a conversation. That's the whole point. Right. It's important. But it's lost now because it's like, yo, everybody's the opps and shit. Like, yo, can't talk to somebody. Then the ops, like, wait, what?

[Rory]

Yeah, but also, you guys, as journalists in the past had it a bit safer that you had to put out a few articles per month. Month. We have to talk every single day and have opinions every single day. It's set up for us to eventually say something that isn't gonna like.

[Elliot Wilson]

Exactly.

[Rory]

Whereas journalism coming out once a month. You could focus. Yo, my piece this, this week is just on TI Just gonna focus on that. You don't have to have an opinion for every last thing that happens with every artist's life. So it's set up for artists to be pissed at us. And they live on the Internet. That. Whereas.

[Elliot Wilson]

Talking crazy, like, boom.

[Rory]

The amount of artists that I've spoke highly of for five, six, seven years. And I'll say one small little comment.

[Elliot Wilson]

That's what it is.

[Rory]

That's the first thing that they DM me or. Or come up to me in person. I'm like, well, you know how much I've supported your career.

[Mall]

This year for me was nothing but that. I'm like, big mall. I didn't like one. One.

[Elliot Wilson]

Well, you didn't repeat this.

[Mall]

I know. I didn't like one record and I turned it to the biggest hater. I'm like. Because I didn't like one song. Yeah, like, that's just stupid.

[Elliot Wilson]

Yeah, you potted E showed on us this year.

[Mall]

Nah, man, I'm just. Listen, man, I'm just trying. I'm just trying to figure. I'm just trying to figure out what the is going on. That's all, man. You know, I'm just. I'm just trying to figure out. That's it. All right, Rory. So it's the end of the year, which means we are down to our last top 10 get up anthems.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mall]

And what do you know it? Today we have West Coast Wilson with us.

[Rory]

Perfect timing.

[Mall]

Perfect timing for this one. So today we're getting into the get up anthem. Top 10 get up anthems from LA. Billboard, Entrez, Generaciones, Tequila have teamed up with LA's own D Smoke, who we are huge fans of and the game, also who we are huge fans of Legend to bring us the top 10 get up anthems from LA. This is a, you know, a list of some of the songs that get the clubs in that certain cities shaking it.

[Elliot Wilson]

Right.

[Mall]

So we're gonna go through the list. Hopefully Game and D Smoke did not disappoint.

[Rory]

We did Atlanta so far we've done Chicago. We did Miami as well.

[Mall]

Yep.

[Rory]

La. I'm curious. LA probably had the greatest year I've seen in quite some time. Even their soccer team won the. I saw the LA Galaxy win last week. I was like, yo, can. Can LA stop fucking winning everything? God damn, man.

[Elliot Wilson]

I was D soccer too.

[Mall]

Well, I can promise you the Lakers won't be winning after.

[Rory]

Yes, thank God.

[Mall]

The Lakers will not be winning.

[Rory]

So, yes, 2024 was good to the West Coast. So let's start at number one. It was a good day. Ice Cube. Can't really argue that. I. I kind of. I feel them.

[Mall]

You want to go from 1 to 10 or 10 to 1?

[Rory]

Go 10 to 1.

[Mall]

All right.

[Rory]

Yeah, we start there.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

I just want to get.

[Elliot Wilson]

It was a good day out there. No hog.

[Rory]

Do we think he got a triple double. Is what I'm asking.

[Mall]

Asking who kept score, who kept stats, Right? Like, who was like that? That dime is for Ice Cube. That's in the. Like, who was yelling at.

[Rory]

And you know what's crazy? When we saw Shout out to Ice Cube's son. He's been on tour with Cube, and of course Cube performs. It was a good day. And his son is his hype man and finishes the lyrics or whatever. That's gotta be a little awkward when it gets to I got a beat from Kim and she could fuck all night.

[Elliot Wilson]

Ah, look it.

[Rory]

I'm not with my pops. It's not gonna do. I'm not finishing the sentence. You got a beat from Kathy and she could all night. I'm not finishing.

[Elliot Wilson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mall]

All right, so let's start at number 10.

[Rory]

We can start at 10.

[Mall]

So number 10, we have.

[Rory]

Go ahead.

[Damaris]

BPT by YG.

[Rory]

Okay. I wouldn't have thought that would make this list, but I'm not mad at that at all because I think My Crazy Life is a classic west coast album.

[Elliot Wilson]

Yeah. Slept On.

[Rory]

It's a modern classic to me, so. Well, I'm not mad at that. Did not expect BBT to be on this list whatsoever with what the west coast had.

[Mall]

I like it.

[Elliot Wilson]

I agree.

[Rory]

I like it a lot.

[Mall]

Number nine. I expected it to be a little higher, but that's just my age. Talking Regulate, Warren G featuring Nate Dahl.

[Rory]

That's a little weird.

[Mall]

At 9. I expected that to be a little higher than that.

[Rory]

Number eight. We can freak it. Corrupt. I am not a resident of the west coast, but we have to go to our judges. Should he be on the Get Up Philly anthems or the LA one?

[Elliot Wilson]

Yeah, we can reason more. West Coast Bob, though, you gotta gotta admit, is.

[Mall]

Nah, Corrupt is. That's. I mean, I get it, but that's west coast corrupt is what.

[Rory]

I'm not mad at that. I'm glad Corrupt was represented on Philly.

[Mall]

Bread, but he adapted absolutely to the whole number seven. I expected to be a lot high as well. Same nothing but a G thing. Dr. Dre featuring yo.

[Elliot Wilson]

Number seven.

[Rory]

That could have been number one for me.

[Mall]

That definitely could have been number one.

[Elliot Wilson]

Holy.

[Rory]

Number six. Last time that I checked. Nipsey Hussle, YG. I think that belongs especially for. For modern West Coast. Number five, I think belongs here. Not like us. Kendrick lamar for top 5 get up anthems for sure. Number 4 still Dre. I think that more my era, but I still think that's crazier. That. That's over nothing but a G thing. One of my favorite beats ever, but that's still wild to me.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Then from here on out, I think it's just all Dr. Dream, California, Tupac and Dr. Dre. Number two, gin and juice, Snoop Dogg. And then at number one, we have.

[Mall]

It was a good day. Ice Cube.

[Rory]

I feel like they. I see what they tried to do. They tried to include Nipsey and yg, which I get. They should be there. But there's a huge gap. And maybe this was the first time Game was humble. I think hate it or love it could be up here for sure. I think what we do could be up here. There's a bunch of game records that I feel could be on this list. And even Killer Mike put himself on the Atlanta list. A lot of this I feel like pulls from almost the same era or they spread it out with as many Dr. Dre produced songs as they fucking could.

[Mall]

I don't know. I don't know if it was a good day is number one, though. It's on the list. G Thing is number one, but not over G thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's on the list. It was a good day. It's definitely on the top 10 LA list. For sure.

[Elliot Wilson]

G things feel like number one.

[Rory]

I mean, I know they didn't want to make this a complete Dr. Dre list, but how the Is the Police or Straight out of Compton not on a top 10 LA list? That's not insane.

[Mall]

Well, that's a different anthem.

[Elliot Wilson]

That's not a get up crazy mother named Ice Cube.

[Rory]

You don't think the Police was a get up anthem? And.

[Mall]

Oh no, it was a get up.

[Rory]

In Los Angeles, California.

[Mall]

Get up and get out. It was a get up out. So it's time to get up out of here. That's what that was. It's time to get out of here. Absolutely.

[Elliot Wilson]

Get up and get out.

[Mall]

Get up and get out.

[Rory]

I'm just looking through other lists too. DJ Quick isn't on there, which I think is a little crazy tonight. I'm a nerd, so I think Far side running or passing me by could.

[Elliot Wilson]

Have made this for sure.

[Mall]

That's not LA though. They from the bay, right?

[Rory]

Oh, far side. From the bay.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's bay.

[Rory]

Oh, my bad.

[Mall]

I think they from the bay.

[Rory]

Okay. Well, not like us. It's a bay sound. So points.

[Mall]

Points have been made. Points have been made.

[Rory]

We're up, Philly. I don't know.

[Elliot Wilson]

I just feel like the era, LA or the Bay. The Bay, too. Yeah.

[Mall]

I think they might be the Bay athlete to infinity.

[Rory]

No, Cypress Hill, I think is kind of crazy. That's still a man. That's Get Up Anthem shit today.

[Mall]

That's definitely Get Up Anthem. They play that at every basketball game. When they throw the towels, when they throw the T shirts in the stands.

[Elliot Wilson]

Kill a Man.

[Mall]

It's always House of King.

[Elliot Wilson]

How do we kill a man? Yeah, when they drawing a towel. That's crazy.

[Rory]

This show, my nerdness, though, above the Law definitely has some joints that could.

[Elliot Wilson]

Make Superman for sure.

[Damaris]

But rory, it's only 10.

[Rory]

Like, I know, but I feel like.

[Damaris]

They could have the 15s and the 17s.

[Mall]

Yeah, he on number 23 right now.

[Elliot Wilson]

All right.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Elliot Wilson]

We try to get your.

[Rory]

This is probably accurate as far as the real top 10. But with the other cities, like the Miami one, for example, I love that they put. They represented every sound and era of Miami in their list. This to me, is one era plus, not like us. And last time that I checked, okay, it's Mustard and Dre, which is cool, but I think there's more west coast shit in there.

[Mall]

Oh. I mean, the list can go.

[Elliot Wilson]

We want to curate it a little more.

[Rory]

I think half the documentary can make this list.

[Mall]

Yeah. No, I mean, I definitely feel like a Game record should be on here, for sure. But, you know, A Game was being humble and just, you know, paying respect to. To the guys that he was in front of.

[Elliot Wilson]

Why is the Game, like, the most underrated of that shit? It's crazy, right?

[Rory]

I think Game Has Game is probably one of the best rap discographies ever.

[Elliot Wilson]

But he's the most underrated in that era. It's crazy when you think about it, right?

[Mall]

You think he's underrated?

[Elliot Wilson]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

Hell, yeah.

[Elliot Wilson]

He knows he is.

[Rory]

But he also didn't have, like, an era to stand with. It was just him and him alone. At least with.

[Elliot Wilson]

He was the nigga before Kendrick. He was the king before Kendrick.

[Mall]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

What YG was doing with Tie and Mustard and Tracheo and td, there was just so much going on in the west coast at that time. They could work together. It was just Game in Spider Loke at that time. No disrespect to Spider Loke. Gna put out a lot of great joints.

[Mall]

Was the Rolling Sixties telling us to wrap it up. She was throwing up. Neighborhood. My bad neighborhood.

[Rory]

And I'm gonna. I'm only gonna do this because, you know, West Coast. Wilson. 405 radar is in the building.

[Mall]

405 radar billboard.

[Rory]

I've loved all these. Best people to put these lists together for their city. I've appreciated this entire series. Yeah, I think it's a little ironic that everyone's a little scared to do the New York list.

[Elliot Wilson]

Fact. It's scared.

[Rory]

I understand we gotta do our job. It's been a long time since we have been, you know, number one. But let's not forget about 25 years. The new York list isn't going to be the same. Seven artists for one through ten.

[Elliot Wilson]

Nah, not at all.

[Mall]

No.

[Elliot Wilson]

What's up?

[Damaris]

What would you. Can you think of, like, your first top three New York get up shook.

[Rory]

Ones, juicy number one.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Elliot Wilson]

Juicy number one.

[Rory]

Juicy to me, is the number one rap song ever. Shook ones 1A, 1B. I would never be mad, but Shook Ones would be two to me.

[Mall]

It depends on where I'm at.

[Rory]

If a.

[Mall]

If there's a lot of women in the room, we gotta go with juicy.

[Rory]

In 2025, when the alien show themselves from the sea, land and air and they ask what is rap music? Even though they've been listening, they have Spotify accounts. I'm playing them. Notorious pig.

[Mall]

If the aliens show themselves in 2025, the first alien that come up out of that water, I want the first thing that here to be. To all the killers in the hundred dollar billers.

[Elliot Wilson]

Shook Ones for Shook Ones is New York City.

[Rory]

You think those drums are scaling aliens? They got lasers.

[Elliot Wilson]

Shook.

[Mall]

Play the Shook Squad too. Yeah, absolutely.

[Elliot Wilson]

It's us.

[Damaris]

Get up. But do you think of Shook Up Ones when you think get up Anthem.

[Rory]

Hell yeah.

[Elliot Wilson]

Yes. Get up and hide your chain and like, move right in the club.

[Mall]

Quiet storm gotta be on there.

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Elliot Wilson]

That's.

[Damaris]

Now that I'm.

[Elliot Wilson]

Look a little. Kim, look at him.

[Damaris]

Knock yourself out. I'm thinking, okay.

[Mall]

Knock yourself out.

[Damaris]

Yeah, like, get up. Like the things that are gonna get the women up, moving the men up, moving, like, not just y'all rapping. Matt hard.

[Rory]

I think this still DMS get at me, dog. Even gets the money.

[Elliot Wilson]

Shook Ones feels New York without the girl element. Like, no disrespect, but something like, yo, Shook Ones is like you talking about New York. That's the anthem.

[Mall]

That is the. That is the anthem.

[Rory]

I mean, I'm kind of contradicting my point here because I think top three could have Juicy and All About Benjamins. All about the Benjamins too.

[Elliot Wilson]

Benjamin's could be in the top three, but that means the girls to the party. It's like Benjamin's bop coming. Boom.

[Damaris]

Boom Bop dmx Party Up. Definitely, definitely. Party up is probably.

[Rory]

No, that may make like a top.

[Elliot Wilson]

No.

[Rory]

30.

[Elliot Wilson]

That's why.

[Rory]

Get at me, dog.

[Elliot Wilson]

That's white people. That's weird.

[Damaris]

That's not white people. We made it so popular that it became.

[Elliot Wilson]

That's trl. What song Party up was Carson Dailies.

[Rory]

And there was X was when. Even though DMX had his. Nah, 90 year up in here.

[Elliot Wilson]

No.

[Rory]

And there was X was when white people really, really started to love the MX Party Up.

[Elliot Wilson]

It's drl.

[Rory]

The first two rap albums that were given to me by my mom that I asked her to buy was Volume three. And there was X.

[Elliot Wilson]

She's Young, same year. I love her.

[Rory]

And that was because, you know, the whites.

[Mall]

Exactly.

[Rory]

I liked Party up in Big Pimping, but the edited version, I didn't even know what Hov was talking about on Big Pippin. I was 11.

[Damaris]

No, because when it comes to Party Up, I feel like it doesn't get the respect it deserves. Nerves. Because it became so big and it became a mainstream.

[Rory]

That's what I'm saying. It became a caricature of itself.

[Elliot Wilson]

It was this white boy pop crossover moment everywhere.

[Damaris]

You wouldn't feel that way, like, oh yeah, it's just played like. No, you wouldn't feel that way if it was a B side. You would never feel that way.

[Rory]

Of course not. But it became such a character.

[Elliot Wilson]

It was a whiteboard crossover.

[Rory]

It was in a bunch of like action movies. Like it just became.

[Elliot Wilson]

It became the cool thing for white boy to like embrace DMX as he's the guy.

[Damaris]

But it doesn't make it any less good of a song.

[Elliot Wilson]

That's fair.

[Damaris]

And it's not even a pop. It's not like it's a pop whitewashed song. It's actually a very like vulgar and like crazy ass song. Like a very gangster song. Like just fuck the chorus.

[Rory]

DMX didn't make that thinking this will be in Mission Impossible 2. He just made it because he's DMX. It just happened to cross over. But I mean, Tom Cruise can kill shit. I feel like shout out to young Jock. But when Tom Cruise did this shit on Oprah, it was over for that. It was done. We was not. It was not going down after he stood on that couch.

[Elliot Wilson]

Was it going down, Roy?

[Mall]

Cause in Tropic Thunder, that's a classic scene. When he played that in Tropic Thunder and start dancing in the office. Don't do that. We not doing that. We not doing that. Don't disrespect Tom Cruise.

[Rory]

Tropic Thunder is a classic.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But him rolling around on Oprah's couch and then doing is going down.

[Mall]

Well, that's where it came from. It came from all got rules. It came from the movie. That's all. Well, anyway, shout out to Billboard and Tres Genaraziones Tequila for their top 10 get up anthems of 2024.

[Rory]

Yes. And before we get out here, we do want to thank West Coast Wilson. Happy New Year, Elliot Wilson Experience. January 7th.

[Mall]

Yes.

[Elliot Wilson]

Once again, yo, 2025, my brothers. Y'all did your thing, man.

[Rory]

Thank you, thank you, thank you. We really appreciate that.

[Damaris]

We do know.

[Mall]

But thank you, Elliot. Thank you.

[Rory]

That means a lot.

[Elliot Wilson]

I'm big it.

[Mall]

Thank you, man.

[Rory]

We appreciate it and hope to have you back in 2025 to promote some more.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And I mean, if. If you want to have us on the Ellie Wilson Experience, we'll go to the Bronx.

[Mall]

Yeah, let's do it in the Bronx.

[Elliot Wilson]

Let's do it style.

[Mall]

Let's do it at the Yankee Stadium.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Elliot Wilson]

I'm not scared of that.

[Mall]

All right, it's all good.

[Rory]

Let's walk through Woodside, see if you still good Now. Let's go West Coast.

[Elliot Wilson]

I'm always in the wood side. Yeah.

[Rory]

Thank you.

[Elliot Wilson]

Why are you sneaky?

[Mall]

Why me, man? We appreciate Irish sneaky ass, boy.

[Rory]

I mean, we'll have you back in Queens. I'm sorry. It just feel like you left, that's all.

[Elliot Wilson]

My projects.

[Mall]

My projects.

[Rory]

You feel like you went on like.

[Mall]

A Vincent Chase projects. I don't know, man.

[Rory]

You're feeling very Vincent Chase.

[Elliot Wilson]

No, Ma. What's up?

[Mall]

I'm just saying the boy might have put some money in the projects for you. You might not be able to go home.

[Rory]

The word spread that a Bugatti is in the projects.

[Mall]

Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

The boys home.

[Mall]

The boys home. We don't know. Shout out to Elliot, man. Elliot, we thank you so much for pulling up on us, man. Appreciate you much love. All right. And we'll get out of here, man. Yeah, no worrying now.