Episode 334 | Fighting Irish

Summary

Podcast Summary: New Rory & MAL – Episode 334 | Fighting Irish

Release Date: January 7, 2025
Hosts: Rory Farrell & Jamil "Mal" Clay
Produced by: Studio71

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1. Welcome and Holiday Recap [00:24 - 03:35]

Rory and Mal kick off the episode by addressing the post-holiday return to work sentiments prevalent on social media. Unlike many who felt the crunch of returning to their routines, Rory and Mal reveal that they continued recording through the holidays, making their "regular Monday" feel uninterrupted.

Notable Quote:

• Rory [02:14]: "Happy birthday to Mal. We were going to get you a cake, but, you know, we ran out of time and we spent it on the tolls."

They also celebrate Founders Day for the Kappa Alpha Psi fraternity, with Rory sharing his experience attending a Founders Day party in Sayc, New Jersey. The hosts discuss the high cost of bottles at the party and Mal notes the aggressive nature of younger bottle girls compared to those from Rory's era.

Notable Quote:

• Mal [04:37]: "No, younger girls are more aggressive."

2. Skip Bayless Sexual Harassment Lawsuit [01:07 - 26:55]

A significant portion of the episode delves into the highly publicized sexual harassment lawsuit filed by Ms. Faraji against Fox Sports, specifically targeting Skip Bayless. Rory and Mal dissect the allegations, including interactions between Skip, Ms. Faraji, and Joy Taylor, another Fox Sports host.

Key Points:

• Congestion Pricing in NYC: Rory criticizes the new toll system, viewing it as a money grab that won't effectively reduce traffic or improve public transit.
• Workplace Dynamics: Mal expresses skepticism about marrying money for access, while Rory empathizes with the victim's plight, highlighting the power imbalance in such situations.
• Support and Critique: The hosts debate the ethics of accepting monetary offers for personal relationships, with Mal questioning the moral grounds and Rory expressing disdain for transactional interactions in the workplace.

Notable Quotes:

• Rory [01:07]: "This is just a money grab today. Yes, the streets were a little lighter with traffic coming in, but I don't think it's really going to change."
• Mal [26:55]: "So you sitting there. So the Money makes it. You can deal with it because you're getting a check."

The conversation intensifies as they discuss the broader implications of the lawsuit on Fox Sports, the potential fallout for Skip Bayless, and the challenges faced by women in maintaining career integrity amidst harassment.

3. Liangelo Ball's Viral Record [30:48 - 51:00]

Shifting gears, Rory and Mal explore the unexpected rise of Liangelo Ball's new track titled "Fighting Irish." They analyze its viral success, attributing it to Ball's fame as a basketball player rather than the musicality alone.

Key Points:

• Musical Style: The track incorporates elements reminiscent of artists like Chamillionaire and Nelly, blending New Orleans bounce with Midwest influences.
• Viral Factor: The hosts agree that Ball's celebrity status significantly contributed to the song's rapid popularity, though they question its longevity in mainstream charts without further promotion or strategic collaborations.

Notable Quotes:

• Rory [50:33]: "I don't think there’s a lot to hate on Lil Baby. I didn’t think about."
• Mal [50:57]: "It's a bona fide hit."

4. Drake's "Fighting Irish" and Kanye's AI Integration [51:00 - 90:47]

The discussion transitions to Drake's leaked track "Fighting Irish," which has sparked debates over its authenticity and potential use of AI technology in music production. Rory praises the emotional depth of the song, suggesting it's a direct response to previous rap battles and personal conflicts within the industry.

Key Points:

• AI in Music: The hosts express concerns about the integration of AI in creating music, particularly referencing Kanye West's potential use of AI to produce albums. They debate the ethical and artistic implications, emphasizing the importance of human emotion and authenticity in music.
• Industry Dynamics: Rory highlights how AI could disrupt traditional roles of writers and producers, while Mal stresses the preservation of artistic integrity against technological encroachment.

Notable Quotes:

• Mal [68:18]: "Just like buying fake jewelry. A lot of fake jewelry looks great..."
• Rory [84:53]: "How has Kanye's AI affected the integrity of music? It’s a complete thing."

5. Lil Baby’s Latest Album and Rapper Longevity [90:07 - 116:35]

Rory and Mal critique Lil Baby’s recent album, discussing its reception and the necessity for artists to evolve their sound to maintain relevance. They draw parallels with other artists like Jadakiss and Gunna, debating the balance between consistency and innovation in music.

Key Points:

• Album Feedback: While acknowledging some successful tracks, the hosts argue that Lil Baby needs to diversify his musical approach to avoid stagnation.
• Rapper Lifespan: They discuss the typically short career spans of rappers and the importance of continual growth, using Lil Baby as a case study for potential longevity through musical evolution.

Notable Quotes:

• Rory [95:16]: "I don’t think he delivered for how important this moment was with everyone saying it's been a little bit quiet..."
• Mal [116:35]: "Rapper's career is really not that long."

6. Relationship and Flirting Advice [117:35 - 151:57]

In what appears to be a listener interaction segment, Rory and Mal offer advice on modern dating dynamics, specifically addressing the appropriateness of women initiating conversations and flirting with men. They navigate through hypothetical scenarios, emphasizing confidence and mutual respect in romantic pursuits.

Key Points:

• Initiating Contact: Mal advocates for women confidently approaching men, viewing it as a positive shift in traditional dating norms.
• Navigating Flirting: The hosts discuss the nuances of flirting, including concerns about miscommunication and the importance of intentions behind interactions.

Notable Quotes:

• Mal [125:07]: "We’re not doing this. It’s 2025."
• Rory [149:25]: "I feel like we're stopping what we're doing to make sure we can hear a little Baby album. What is this was important."

7. Podcast Update and Closing Remarks [141:35 - 169:30]

As the episode nears its end, Rory and Mal announce that another host, Julian, is no longer part of the podcast. They extend their well-wishes to Julian and reaffirm their commitment to continuing the show without him.

Key Points:

• Host Departure: The hosts acknowledge Julian's departure, expressing gratitude for his contributions and wishing him success in future endeavors.
• Future Episodes: Rory and Mal hint at upcoming discussions and predictions, encouraging listeners to engage via Patreon for more in-depth content.

Notable Quotes:

• Rory [143:35]: "I saw that you had on our list. I have not been keeping up with the Megan gossip. I'm shocked you didn't want to start with this."
• Mal [151:13]: "She’s dating him. That’s what she’s trying to make it seem like it is."

Conclusion

Episode 334 of "New Rory & MAL" provides a deep dive into several hot topics of 2025, from high-profile lawsuits in sports media to the evolving landscape of music production influenced by AI. The hosts balance their discussions with personal anecdotes and listener interactions, offering both critique and advice on contemporary issues. As always, Rory and Mal maintain their candid and conversational style, making complex subjects accessible and engaging for their audience.

For more detailed discussions and to support the podcast, listeners are encouraged to visit Patreon.com/NewRoryAndMal.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Rory [01:07]: "This is just a money grab today. Yes, the streets were a little lighter with traffic coming in, but I don't think it's really going to change."
• Mal [04:37]: "No, younger girls are more aggressive."
• Mal [26:55]: "So you sitting there. So the Money makes it. You can deal with it because you're getting a check."
• Rory [50:33]: "I don't think there’s a lot to hate on Lil Baby. I didn’t think about."
• Mal [68:18]: "Just like buying fake jewelry. A lot of fake jewelry looks great..."
• Rory [95:16]: "I don’t think he delivered for how important this moment was with everyone saying it's been a little bit quiet..."
• Mal [125:07]: "We’re not doing this. It’s 2025."

Transcript

[Rory]

No warrior now I might swerve in.

[Mal]

That corner Whoa whoa hold on tight cause I tweak in this I let this go and I heard that she wanna show whoa me who she be I'm kinda with it show me some mo this we tatty head to toe could give a the story wrote you wanna tweak it up with me and I'ma show you how they go like the money in my pockets blow they having combos about me these pussy don't know.

[Rory]

Welcome back. Top of the week, I guess the first official Monday. Working Monday of 2025 for everyone else.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Saw everyone on their IG story saying damn, back to work. And I was like, we. I mean we recorded through the entire holiday.

[Mal]

Yes. Feels good to be back.

[Rory]

So this is just a regular Monday for us. I didn't feel it at all. Just was, you know.

[Mal]

Well, I mean in the New York area it's a little snowy. Little snowy. I like a little snowy Monday.

[Rory]

Yeah, it was cute snow too. Yeah, I like snow.

[Mal]

Yeah, snow, man.

[Rory]

Congestion pricing happen at the same time.

[Mal]

Oh, yes. Wonderful time to be a New Yorker, isn't it?

[Rory]

No, it's not snow.

[Mal]

Pay more money to get into the snow and the traffic than sit in the traffic than pay 500 for parking.

[Rory]

Listen, I. We don't have to get too much into it because I guess it is local, but I have seen it all over the news, no matter where the you're at, because we're the first city implementing this congestion pricing thing. For those that don't know, it already costs to go from Jersey to New York for like 21 bucks. Adding another nine to that. All the bridges that never had a toll now have a toll. This is fucking nuts. It's a money grab today. Yes, the streets were a little lighter with traffic coming in, but I don't think it's really going to change. I think traffic's going to be the same traffic still. This is just a money grab. I don't think they're going to fix anything with MTA. So right now it's either you pay fucking $30 to come into the city or you get burned alive on the N train. Yeah, whatever you like.

[Mal]

But have no fear.

[Rory]

Cops are on their phones.

[Mal]

The big Don is back. He's coming back soon. I think this will only last a month. We won't see this anymore.

[Rory]

Trump did say he would get rid of it, but I was reading an article that said it's not that easy. The President doesn't have as much authority on this as one would think. But I would love for him to get rid of it. With that said. Happy birthday to mall. We were going to get you a cake, but, you know, we ran out of time and we spent it on the tolls. But happy January 6th to you.

[Mal]

Yes.

[Rory]

Like your second birthday.

[Mal]

Yes.

[Rory]

Your rebirth to the Stars and Stripes.

[Mal]

The Democrats do a party and a.

[Rory]

Surprise party for us, the Tea Party. So, yeah, technically, I guess with your. Your rebirth. You're four years old. Yes, the case. Okay.

[Mal]

Yes. It's my fourth birthday. Yes, absolutely.

[Rory]

After your rebirth.

[Mal]

Yes.

[Rory]

Born again. When you got your first communion. Right. On those steps.

[Mal]

Lot happened.

[Rory]

Yeah, a lot did happen. Also. Happy Founders Day to all the good brothers of Kappa Alpha Psi fraternity incorporated. It was over the weekend. I even went out on Saturday night.

[Mal]

What'd you do?

[Rory]

I went to Sayc, New Jersey in the hood. Went to a Founder's Day party.

[Mal]

Oh, okay.

[Rory]

You know, I was partying with women that were born after 9, 11. It was great.

[Mal]

That sounds terrible. That sounds like a.

[Rory]

No, it was mainly, like, the area that I was in was my era, but I could see all the younger people.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I will say. And shout out to Wala. It was great always to hear Wallace.

[Mal]

DJ Walla, my guy.

[Rory]

The young kids still kind of party to our music. I was, like, excited. I was like, all right, I know there's going to be half young people and then half of the old heads, but I'll get to experience what music plays outside because I don't go out very often. And when I do, it's the spots of my age that's playing all about the Benjamins for 10 minutes straight. They listen to the same music as us.

[Mal]

They're supposed to.

[Rory]

Their era has no classic records.

[Mal]

No, they got Drill. They got a few Drill records. That's classic records.

[Rory]

It wasn't really a Drill environment. I mean, there was definitely some people in there that. That would drill you. And they didn't pat anyone down. So I'm glad they. That Walla kept it, like, fun and light.

[Mal]

More R and B.

[Rory]

Yes. Sexy Drill.

[Mal]

Yeah. All night.

[Rory]

But it was a good time. I was just disappointed that I didn't get, like, the full young kid experience of their music. I mean, I even tried to listen to Baby's album on the way there to get in the mind state, which we'll get to.

[Mal]

Am I allowed to go to the Founders Day party?

[Rory]

Of course. Yeah.

[Mal]

Okay. I thought it was mean.

[Rory]

You'd have to pay.

[Mal]

I have to pay to get in.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Okay. All right. It's all right.

[Rory]

Also, it was like. This is going to sound a little elitist, but it was nice to go to a party. Like, in the hood, bottles were like, $125. I was like, oh, let's go crazy.

[Mal]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. You see $125. Yeah. Yeah. We need five.

[Rory]

We ran out. Gotcha.

[Mal]

Yeah, I'll get the next three. It's all good.

[Rory]

Yeah, that. That was great. But it was cool. I. I think bottle girls of the younger age are a little bit more aggressive than when I.

[Mal]

No, younger girls are more aggressive.

[Rory]

Yeah, they're really forward.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And they don't really take no for an answer.

[Mal]

No, they let you know they need. They need a bill paid immediately. Yeah, absolutely.

[Rory]

And I don't know if it was just weird coincidence the only other white person in there ended up being my father's closest childhood friend's daughter. Very odd. That's not weird to you? It was weird as fuck to me.

[Mal]

How does she look? Like her dad never.

[Rory]

No, she's pretty, but she's. She's red hair and white. You think that's like, my stuff?

[Mal]

Yeah, that's definitely off your menu.

[Rory]

You know, everyone thought that was like, actually my sister and I was like, funny you asked. Like, we're technically, like, have some relationship.

[Mal]

We're cousins.

[Rory]

Like, I called her dad uncle my whole life. I think I met her once. She said she had been to my house before. I was like, wow, this is very odd. Of the only two white people that are here. Yeah, I thought it was, you know, of those moments, you know, you're in the right place.

[Mal]

Happy Founders Day.

[Damaris]

Collecting redheads. Black people like collecting redheads.

[Rory]

Black like Pokemon.

[Damaris]

Yeah, they like them. I don't know why they like redheads.

[Rory]

A lot of redheads do.

[Mal]

Just why you saying they like you, not a black woman?

[Damaris]

Cuz I don't collect redheads.

[Mal]

But you said black.

[Rory]

Where would you keep them if you did? Like, in your basement or.

[Damaris]

No, on a podcast set.

[Rory]

We don't really need much light, so.

[Mal]

Yeah, like, now that I think about it, y'all like gremlins. Can't eat after midnight, can't get wet.

[Rory]

Where did you land on that? I ate after midnight on Saturday.

[Mal]

Yeah, Redheads are like gremlins, man.

[Rory]

Definitely. Definitely ran into some ghosts of pussy past. But, like, college, like, how'd she look? Better.

[Mal]

I love that. I love when they look better and like, when you crush them and break their heart and they come back stronger. It's like, oh, you little Voltron, you.

[Rory]

No, she is wrong with you.

[Mal]

Love the little vulture.

[Damaris]

Like what the.

[Mal]

I love when you crush them and then they come back and they glowed up like see? Thank you. Welcome. That's what you got to say. You're welcome.

[Rory]

She was cool and it was a cool interaction. I got the vibe, which was fine because I wasn't trying anything that she was in a full blown relation. I could just tell by body language and it just. But it reminded me of just like the dummy missions I used to do. She lived in Philly and I would drive at like if this sounds so, so bad, I'm a completely different person. Like if I didn't get any pussy at Rutgers for a weekend, I was driving at 3am down Route 1 to Philly and get there at like 4:35 in the morning.

[Mal]

That's when there's some good. Good though. You only doing it for this fire. Yeah, that fire had you paying some tolls for sure. Yeah, absolutely. Now we ain't got no choice though. It's getting toes no matter what in New York.

[Rory]

I'm a reformed person. I'm not proud of any of this. I don't think any young men should strive to do this. It just leads to a life of emptiness. It was my first time. I had gotten into a line sister love triangle. I had fucked her line sister before and then I mean she was throwing it. So what was a young 19 year old supposed to do?

[Mal]

Fall in line.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

So you're supposed to do.

[Rory]

And it ended up in the same apartment once. And yeah, it was. It was messy.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I hope they've recovered because I'm not worth a lifetime.

[Mal]

I love hearing when you your stories of driving to Philly. That's rookie. I drove all the way to Montreal with no passport. Yeah. No. Yes. Come on. They know me at the border. Let me do here, man. I'm turning right around. I'm here for 24 hours and I'm out of here.

[Rory]

It's nasty though at 3am to drive to Philly for some and then. And then leave like 10am that's what.

[Mal]

Time we left to go to Montreal. It was a phone con.

[Rory]

At least I could stay horny for an hour on that drive. You had like nine hours to be like, yo, I could just go beat.

[Mal]

Off six and a half. It's not that bad.

[Damaris]

Six and a half is crazy.

[Rory]

That so that up six times three went there and back and went back up.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah.

[Damaris]

Six and a half is crazy. Mall.

[Mal]

When you young though, baby. Then you ain't really got to do on a random, like, you know what I mean?

[Damaris]

How young were you, mom?

[Mal]

Probably like 23, maybe.

[Damaris]

Oh, okay. I thought that was like a couple years ago. Like 10 years. I thought it was like 10 years ago.

[Mal]

So you're 32. I was in my. Y'all was in my young 20s. That's when I was just doing stupid. Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

Him doing that now and not flying would be hilarious.

[Mal]

Yeah. I must say. Now, like, come on now. Put me on the flight. Hour and a half.

[Damaris]

I think the farthest hour I went from Brooklyn to the Bronx. That's so. That's a public transportation, though, baby.

[Rory]

I do that on a Tuesday.

[Mal]

Yeah, like, what, baby? I went from Brooklyn to the Bronx. What? That's a regular trip. Maybe you don't even want to go.

[Rory]

I feel like Queens to Jersey is a long distance relationship.

[Damaris]

Yeah, for sure.

[Rory]

A couple trains, and if you don't have, like, Long island railroad money, now that's a trip.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Taking the A to the path, like, you have to have some fire.

[Mal]

What about going up to, like, Connecticut? And, like, I've done that.

[Damaris]

Connecticut. Connecticut's not that far, though.

[Mal]

Yeah, but that's still like two hours. It's like a two hour drive.

[Damaris]

You've put out some good. You put on a good playlist.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah.

[Damaris]

That gets you warmed up. Bloodhound her the whole way. Oh, not the. The phone. Oh.

[Mal]

Flirt the whole way. Start. Start letting her know which exit you passing. Like, yo, I just passed 76. You know what I'm saying? I come an hour in 10, and I'll be there like, what you doing? Cooked. All right, then, like, you know what I'm saying?

[Damaris]

You getting your.

[Rory]

Off the Uber driver looking back like, get this horny kid out of my back seat.

[Mal]

Now you can share the low. Sharing the low. So she know exactly when to get in the shower.

[Rory]

I know, I know.

[Mal]

You a Fly out champion.

[Rory]

What's the longest you've ever put a girl in an Uber to your house?

[Mal]

The longest. Probably from Philly.

[Rory]

I think Philly's the longest.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Which is surprisingly not as expensive as you thought.

[Mal]

It's not. It's not. It's not.

[Rory]

That was actually a bad thing to find out because then I was like, all right, well, the Philly roster, they could be up here in an hour. It's just like 300 bucks.

[Mal]

And. And it was. It was gangster because the. The Uber driver, he had family in New York, so I just kicked it with him. Like, yo, you know what I mean? Tomorrow she Gonna leave the same time, take her back. I won't use the app. I just saying straight up, cash. Cause whatever it say on the app, the drivers don't get that for you.

[Damaris]

They only get like 60% of that.

[Mal]

So you know what I'm saying? So I was like, yo. He was like, no problem. He went to his cousin house, gave me his number. He stayed in New York for the day. Next day, picked her right up, took it right back to Philly.

[Rory]

Yeah, our friend Brittany is the queen of that. If we get an suv, she'll talk to the driver and be like, what do you need to make tonight? We're going to four spots. And then she'll just. We'll have a private driver.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's it.

[Rory]

For cheaper than what it would have been.

[Mal]

Absolutely. That's the way.

[Rory]

Bounce around in different way to do it.

[Mal]

That's the way to do it.

[Rory]

Did you guys do anything over the weekend celebrate Founders Day? I know everyone was really excited. No, I didn't celebrate 14 years of achievement.

[Mal]

I didn't celebrate Founders Day. But I found like $400 in one of my jackets. Oh, I guess it is founders date for me. I was going through some coats and stuff, getting rid of. I went in one of my pockets. It was $400 bills. I was like, oh, fuck, $20. I found 400 in the coat. Where?

[Damaris]

My sweatshirt that you told me you was gonna give me now that it's out the dry cleaner.

[Mal]

I didn't pick it up yet. It's in the cleaners. I got you.

[Damaris]

You just wore it. It ain't in the. Stop Lyin.

[Mal]

He's definitely. I put it in the cleaners after I wore it. You wanted it to smell like me. Baby, I ain't wanna get you in no trouble with your own piece. You know what I mean? My cologne all over it. I'm just saying my cologne is all over it. My deodorant is in the arms and all of that.

[Damaris]

Like I ain't nobody nobody to smell it.

[Mal]

All right. You know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

I've given Demer sweatpants before. Like great sweatpants that she wears often. Would you feel away as. As yeah, baby D's man.

[Mal]

Yes.

[Rory]

I never thought about that until just now.

[Mal]

Yeah, another sweats like his balls and all that was in there. And now you.

[Rory]

No, I think you took the tags off it. I don't think I ever wore it. But they wore mine.

[Damaris]

No, you.

[Mal]

Oh, they were brand new.

[Damaris]

No, you wore both of those pairs.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Damaris]

You didn't Wear them often. But you. I got a bunch of Rory. My half. My closet is Rory shoes.

[Rory]

But you do know I wear drawers. I wasn't free. Like, my balls weren't.

[Mal]

I don't know that those could have been the in the house joints that you throw on as soon as you get out the bed, you know?

[Rory]

No, I've never gave those up.

[Damaris]

Yeah, like, no, I got a period. Your John Elliott basketball shorts that I'm pretty sure that you didn't wear.

[Rory]

Draws with which ones?

[Damaris]

They're like camo green. Don't say you want them.

[Rory]

I've been looking for those.

[Damaris]

Oh, my.

[Mal]

Nah, they're good at that. They're good at that.

[Rory]

Crazy. They look like the redneck joints, right? Yeah, like, if I wear them, it's crazy, but if you wear them, it's fashionable.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

You widows around you, weirdos around your boy, your booze, like, stuff that you get from guys.

[Damaris]

I've definitely had dudes say, oh, these ain't mine. I'm like, not dudes. My ex, he's like, these ain't mine. I'm just like, they're Rory's. And he, like, he knows I used to basically damn near live at Rory's house, so I had a bunch of Rory.

[Mal]

Yeah, he's an understanding guy. He's a good.

[Rory]

That is kind of understanding.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's some understanding right there.

[Rory]

Does that work? I'm crashing out in reverse.

[Mal]

No.

[Rory]

What if. What if. What if the marriage gave me, like, a big T, like, one of her sleep.

[Mal]

First of all, if you go, if you can fit one of the marriage's.

[Rory]

Big tees, girls have really big T.

[Mal]

Shirts that they sleep that they got from another guy. So now you win another guy?

[Damaris]

No, I tried to give a guy a Giants, like, practice shirt. Like, it was like a Giant's practice, like, long sleeve shirt.

[Mal]

You gave a guy.

[Damaris]

I tried to give him my. It was. I had a Giants practice shirt, and I tried to give it to him.

[Mal]

But you don't play for the Js.

[Damaris]

Nah.

[Mal]

You want your care to go further or you just gonna leave it right there?

[Damaris]

Oh, that's how my cousin plays for the Giant.

[Mal]

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. That's different. That's your cousin play for them. That's different.

[Rory]

All right. Because black people use cousins so loosely, I'd have to see your 23andMe. Is that your real cousin?

[Mal]

That's true. White boy got a point. He got a point.

[Rory]

Y'all have the same grandmother.

[Damaris]

First cousin, same grandmother.

[Mal]

I need to see Y'all, I need to see y'all to cook out something. Like, we ain't just saying that's cousins. Nah.

[Rory]

Yeah, half cousin. I know how that can get. So I would need to really see the paperwork on that. I don't know. Do you think Joy Taylor ever showed up with one of Skips, like, blazers on?

[Damaris]

Please, Blazers.

[Mal]

Where was she? Where would she be showing up to.

[Rory]

With one of the Skips with Skip's Jordan ones on? It was a nasty weekend.

[Mal]

Yeah. I was on the timeline this week and going crazy on Joy, man.

[Rory]

Yo. Every single time I think I'm extremely manly and don't care about gossip, something like this breaks, and then I turn into a little schoolgirl and sit Indian style on my couch and giggle about all the. And I call it T. Yeah.

[Mal]

I tried to. What's Tea? I tried to ignore it. I did.

[Rory]

This mess was too much fun.

[Mal]

I tried to ignore it, but y'all are getting too good with the memes. Y'all are getting too good with the Photoshop, the AI. It was very entertaining.

[Rory]

Um, I mean, I'm sure most people listening to this have heard about it, but we will give some backstory. Can we get the actual woman's name that filed the suit?

[Damaris]

Yeah, gotcha.

[Rory]

I'll just say Ms. Faraji so I don't screw up her first name. I don't want to be disrespectful. She filed a lawsuit against Fox Sports basically for sexual harassment against Skip Bayless. But there was also a lot more gossip and tea that was involved in this entire lawsuit. So Joy Taylor, who we know was. I get mediator, you would call one of the hosts on FS1. She became close friends with Ms. Faraji. She had just moved from Miami to LA to try to get more time on Fox Sports. Ms. Faraji was one of the hairdressers, I believe, right?

[Damaris]

Yeah. She was Joy's personal hairdresser, too.

[Rory]

So Joy Taylor was married. Her husband stayed in Miami. She was, you know, just trying to find her community, her tribe. So her and Mrs. Faraji got really cool, started to go out for drinks. You know, just became work friends.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Then Joy started to bring, like, you know, just some older guy around that was always paying for the drinks. But that why not always need that guy?

[Mal]

We all know one get to get.

[Rory]

The dirty martinis or whatever they said in there. They were very specific of what he was ordering. He would come around and, you know, sometimes you get that body language of like, oh, they're definitely like, y'all are giggling too much with each other. Knees are too close. The more we drink, the closer y'all get and y'all leave together. This is weird. But wasn't judging her. She's married, but cool. Whatever. That's her life. Now, Ms. Faraji, like, a year later, is in the office and runs into this gentleman in the elevator and was like, yo, you know that old guy that always buys us margaritas? I just seen him. And she was like, chill. That is the head of Content at Fox Sports. Now, in the midst of this, both Joy and what's. Dixon. Charles Dixon. Charles Dixon, head of Content. Both people are married here, so I guess everyone has something to lose. I guess that's a good affair. I'm not here to judge. He suggests to Skip when they start the skipping Shannon Sharpe show, that she should be the moderator. She has no real experience whatsoever. She's a bartender and did a few clips on FS1. Since they were fucking. He did what most people that love Mad Men do. Just give the chick that you're fucking the biggest role for the new show with no real credibility whatsoever.

[Mal]

You know what that meant? Mm. Joy was in there turning him out.

[Rory]

So I'm actually not quite sure why this is even specifically in this lawsuit, because it kind of has nothing. It's wrong, but it has nothing to do with the sexual harassment. Skip is the real nasty accuser here. And again, this is all alleged. Skip was trying to sleep with the hairdresser. He walked up to her, grabbed her ass one time.

[Mal]

Skip was handsy.

[Rory]

Joy Taylor said, yo, just let that shit go. And I believe Mr. Dixon grabbed her ass. But Skip had offered her. What was it? 1.5 million to fuck.

[Mal]

Stop right there, Roy. Skip Bayless. What camera am I at, skip?

[Rory]

Camera two, skip.

[Mal]

Ain't no pussy worth $1.5 million. Let's just be. Come on. Like what? I get it. You got it. You got it. To give but 1.5 million. Listen, see, that's what's wrong. The inflation on pussy is out of control.

[Rory]

If I'm making 8 million, which is incredible, 1.5 million is still a lot of.

[Mal]

Oh, absolutely.

[Rory]

For some pussy. Yeah.

[Mal]

Like, come on, Skip.

[Rory]

And again, very attractive woman. Go ahead, Mary.

[Damaris]

So I do want to clarify because, you know, defend all women. You're not gonna. We're not gonna play with Joy like, oh, Joy had no. She had no experience or nothing like that. She went to Barry University in Miami. She was an intern, and she produced for a bunch of Miami radio giants. Before landing a position as co host of 104.3 FM790s the Ticket Zaslow and Joy Show. She worked as a host of 30 and fantasy football Today on CBS Sports before she even moved to LA for FS1. So let's not just say that she had no experience.

[Rory]

I will reword it to make you and the feminist feel better. They were suggesting that, yes, of course. She moved from Miami to LA to work in sports before she had even met that guy. She was qualified to at least have a position within sports media and was working radio and also being a bartender. I respect the hustle.

[Mal]

And she grew up around the game. Her brother's a Hall of Famer.

[Rory]

I'm not saying she was just some random chick off the street, but everyone, including Skip Bayless, was suggesting that she didn't have the experience for that exact role yet.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

Not that she didn't have any, but she wasn't the one that should have stepped in. Especially that Skip and Shannon was like.

[Mal]

One of the biggest people at the network that probably were due up for that.

[Rory]

Yeah. And suggested in this paperwork that Charles Dixon had asked, skip, can you do this favor for me to put her on? So that's where people were like, all right, she's not. There's a million other people we could have hired in this position. This is a little funny, but let's not act like that hasn't happened a million times.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

Within every industry, not just entertainment.

[Damaris]

Also, doesn't hurt that she is gorgeous.

[Rory]

So, yeah, for sure. And I never minded her on the show.

[Damaris]

Are you looking at me like that for.

[Rory]

But you could tell. Did you guys watch that show, the Game?

[Mal]

Yeah, I saw it.

[Rory]

You could tell Skip didn't like that girl up there. He always kind of gave her a little look and an attitude, more than he ever had with Molly or anyone else. Like, you could tell Skip did not want that girl there.

[Mal]

Yeah. I thought it was from the rip. I thought Skip was gay, but.

[Rory]

So what's funny that you say that when all this came out, before I read anything, the first thought I had was, is someone exposing Skip Bayless for being gay? That was the first thing I thought. I was like, oh, finally he could live his truth.

[Mal]

Yeah. I always thought Skip was gay.

[Rory]

Like, you know, gay or. And I'm not saying gay people are creeps, but he was either gay or a creepy.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Separate. But he selfies with a shirt off.

[Mal]

Gay and a creep. Oh, man, you're a hero. You're. You're. That's Freedom. That's. That's called me and free.

[Rory]

So Skip, allegedly, he claims that Joy Taylor went. Was even trying to hit on him in the beginning, and he turned it down. He was trying to offer the hairdresser 1.5 million a fuck and then came onto her.

[Mal]

But why Skips? Why he. Why? What's the 1.5? Like, how did he land on that?

[Rory]

I mean, I talked to his accountant. What's the most I could spend this month on a bank? You know. You know when lord hits you at the top and like, yo, you have any big purchases I should know about at the top of the month so I could balance out your checkbook?

[Mal]

Yeah, one point, Landon.

[Rory]

I'm actually trying to purchase some pussy for 1.5 million.

[Mal]

1.5 is.

[Rory]

And how do you write that? First of all, this is how poor I am in relation to this entire thing. How do you send a woman $1.5 million?

[Mal]

Well, it's installments. You send a wire out.

[Rory]

But at some point, like, you got.

[Mal]

To make sure you do at the top of the year. So, you know, file taxes on that. Should get the whole year to kind of.

[Rory]

I know a lot of business managers and accountants are used to having discretion and not asking about certain things because they know more about you than. Than your own partner of your purchases. Like, they know when that pro biller.com comes up. They know what time it is with that. They see what you've cash apps. They know a lot and don't ask questions when they don't need to. Not their job. They're just there to make sure you pay your taxes. If I put 1.5 million in installments to a girl, Loyan's asking me what the is that?

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, but you have to. Yeah, but you.

[Damaris]

And we need to send this money.

[Mal]

I know.

[Rory]

No, I'm. I'm saying I. I wouldn't even know how to send that type of money to a girl. Like, even sending my mom money isn't a hundred dollar installments.

[Mal]

No box out here worth $1.5 million. I don't care what y'all thought.

[Rory]

Well, and at that point, you have to like, hire her, right? You can't just off the whim.

[Mal]

He did take that tax FS1, but.

[Rory]

That'S not coming out of skips. FS1 was paying her. Skip wasn't paying her.

[Mal]

They probably worked it out in his contract.

[Rory]

She was the hairdresser.

[Mal]

His hairdresser.

[Rory]

That was not coming from Skip llc. She was working on every other show.

[Mal]

But that's his.

[Rory]

She had been there since 2012 before Skip was even there.

[Mal]

Yeah, but that's his hairdresser now. Skip's hair looks great, right?

[Rory]

Yeah, I guess so. Yeah.

[Mal]

And now we know why.

[Rory]

He. He came on to her, and she was like, first of all, Skip, you have a wife. And Skip's reply to that is, aren't you Muslim? Your dad probably has three or four wives. And then she did what I guess was the best move in that awkward situation, because I'm sure that was very uncomfortable for her. She pulled the Yo, My dad's dead card and really, really made the mood weird in the dressing room. Like, have you ever heated someone up about, like, you know, oh, when you were a kid, mother joke or whatever, and then they hit you with a big joker, My mom's dead. And you're like, all right, well, you don't know. I'm leaving the lunchroom now.

[Mal]

So. So where does Joy Taylor fall in all of this?

[Damaris]

So.

[Mal]

Because it was alleged that she was saying that she was going to scream sexual harassment or sexual.

[Damaris]

So one of the things named in the lawsuit is, well, the girl is suing Joy as well, because she's basically saying after her friendship with Taylor with Joy ended, she started losing work. Joy said that she wanted a black stylist, like she requested a black styl. And they slowly started, like, taking her out of work, and then they fired her.

[Mal]

So now. So now she's ringing the law.

[Damaris]

Yes, but one of the things she said that Joy said when it came, she said when she was friends with Joy, she warned her, hey, Mr. Dixon, the head of Rory Said is the head of content for FS1. He has a lot of power. You should be careful with sleeping with him. And allegedly, Joy said, well, I have power too, because if he tries to fire me, I'm just going to say that he forced himself. I mean, this is what the girl.

[Rory]

Is saying, which is crazy.

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Mal]

See, that's the part. And, you know, we wanna be respectful to people that really are in workplaces. And, you know, sexual harassment is real. And things like sexual assault is real. We understand that. But I have a problem with if you're there and you're experiencing these things and it's a problem, but because you're getting paid, you still deal with it and you don't say nothing. I feel like when you leave, if you get fired, you shouldn't be able to say nothing either.

[Rory]

Why? Why do you feel that? No, that's a crazy tick.

[Mal]

So you sitting there. So the Money makes it. You can deal with it because you're getting a check.

[Damaris]

People have bills.

[Mal]

Wrong is wrong. Yeah, but. But again, right is right. Wrong is wrong. If you being sexually harassed at the workplace, I don't care what they paying you. If you feel like you're not. You don't want to deal with that. Okay, then say something while you're there. Don't wait till now. They're not paying you anymore. And you don't work here to now be like, oh, well, you know, I was sexually harassed while I was there. Okay, so why you didn't say something while you were working there?

[Rory]

She had said when she was still friends with Joy Taylor, Mr. Frost, she said, yo, he grabbed my ass. And Joy was like, you should just forget about it and move on. A lot of women are put in that position. That one, they won't be believed. And now you have a stain where you can't even get hired anywhere else because you went to HR to talk about sexual assault. And they'll bury it. Like, had she not said anything, we would not know anything about this.

[Mal]

Okay, so it's saying something when you leave the. When you're. When your fire does what?

[Damaris]

Well, it's just a lawsuit. So she's trying to get money, like, out of it.

[Mal]

So why she couldn't try to get money while she was there. She could have quit while she was there. If she was sexually harassed while she was there.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but quit and pay her bills with what? Gum?

[Mal]

Yeah, I'm just not. See, that's. I'm just. Right is right wrong. If somebody grabs your ass in the workplace right then and there, that should be a problem and somebody told about it.

[Rory]

Unfortunately, some women are in the mind state that this is just how it goes everywhere.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, this is just something I have to deal with, which is so fucked up that women would even have to have that mentality that this is going to happen anywhere. It doesn't mean anything. Like, I just have to keep my head down and keep working. Because the moment you say something, where are you going to get hired again? You're the hairdresser that cries sexual harassment. Nobody's hiring you. No, listen, at this point now, not only do I have to deal with that, but I was still working. Now you're trying to phase me out while sexually harassing me.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah, Now I'm fucking suing something.

[Mal]

Yeah, listen, I understand it's tough in certain work environments. It's a lot on women. I get that. But it's also a thing of if you're being sexually harassed, like, no money should come before that. That's just my thoughts on that. I don't give a fuck how much money you making. If you're being sexually harassed, the money means nothing.

[Damaris]

You keep saying the money means nothing. Money means something.

[Mal]

Yeah, but not if somebody's grabbing your ass at the workplace.

[Damaris]

If you have to pay. You know what people deal with to be able to feed their family?

[Mal]

Ye. I do. Yeah, I do. Every day I walk past him and I talk to some of them I know.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Is real.

[Mal]

What does that mean? Okay, you going. You going to just let your ass get grabbed because you getting a check? Go be a stripper if that's the case.

[Rory]

All right.

[Damaris]

That's all right.

[Mal]

If you going to deal with your ass, get grabbed.

[Rory]

Look at the two people.

[Mal]

If you going to do what have.

[Rory]

Were sexually harassing her allegedly was Skip Bayless. We know how powerful Skip is in that world. And then the head of content of Fox Sports. Those are two of the more powerful people in her entire work world. Yeah. She doesn't think that she could just run and be like, yo, Skip said I should him because I'm Muslim and it's okay because he's married. Yeah, she's not going to do that. There's two most powerful people in her world by far, so wait till I.

[Mal]

Get fired and do it.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Makes no sense to me.

[Damaris]

You're also not a woman to me.

[Mal]

Yeah. I'm a man, though. It makes no sense to me. Okay. Just because I'm getting a check, I'll deal with it. But then I'm not getting a check. Oh, that was wrong. It's wrong whether you're getting a check or not.

[Damaris]

It was wrong. But there's a certain. I can't do anything like, you know, actually, we've explained it. If you don't get it, you don't get it. Don't make sense to you.

[Mal]

It doesn't. Yeah, it does. I'm glad you said that. It doesn't make sense.

[Damaris]

No problem.

[Rory]

Not that we really care what Jason Whitlock really ever has to say, but. But he did bring up I don't do it.

[Mal]

He makes points sometimes. Don't do that.

[Rory]

All right, well, let's define sometimes. But he was suggesting that Shannon Sharpe was behind this entire thing. Not to say that.

[Mal]

How they put Shannon in this, how they wrote Shannon.

[Rory]

This is. This is Jason's point of view. He's not suggesting that that woman is lying at all. He's just suggesting that Shannon Sharp that we know has a grudge with Skip. There was a bad fallout with that weird fallout with FS1. That was the whole thing that. This is Shannon's way of getting his get back at everybody. He had an issue with the head of content Skip. Everyone named in this lawsuit does have some issue with Shannon Sharpe. Now, I do not believe that Shannon Sharpe and this woman, like, you know, got together to try to take everyone down. But it is an interesting theory that he brings up. This is Shannon's way of doing that.

[Mal]

So he thinks that Shannon is the one that's blowing the whistle on this whole thing.

[Rory]

That Shannon Sharp and this woman, because she says good things about Shannon in the paperwork, like, he was fine, didn't do anything, which Shannon Sharp, outside of him, fake on Instagram and all that. Again, we don't know these people. But Shannon doesn't really come off as a creep to me. I think Shannon being pretty honest about his personal life and not being in relationships, I don't think he's in the workplace. I think he has plenty of pussy outside the workplace and is not trying to. The hairdresser. Also, he doesn't have hair. Pride didn't see her.

[Mal]

Who doesn't have hair?

[Rory]

I mean, it's a little bit there.

[Mal]

Shannon. Shannon has hair. What are you talking about?

[Damaris]

Not a hairdresser.

[Rory]

No, I think a barber comes to him and shakes.

[Mal]

I mean, I don't call it a hairdresser, but Shannon Sharp ain't bald. He has hair.

[Rory]

Not for a hairdresser, though. What's he styling?

[Mal]

She could brush it. She could brush it.

[Rory]

She could brush it.

[Mal]

Spray some sheen on it. You know, get him. Get him glowing for the while he's.

[Rory]

Smoking a black Amal, you know, where do we think this goes? Does this cripple FS1? Like, this is a huge deal, in my opinion.

[Mal]

It is a huge deal. I don't know if it cripples FS1. It would be interesting to see what ends up happening with Joy at the network. What ends up happening with Skip. I could see Skip retiring. He's at that age anyway. I mean, I don't think Skip was planned on being on television many more years after this current contract is up. So I could see Skip stepping away from it all. Kind of like, you know what? Like, I'm done. But, yeah, we'll have to see again. This is just accusations, right?

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Or allegations.

[Damaris]

There's no. We haven't seen any real proof other than a couple of text messages from Skip, right?

[Rory]

No, that's about it. Yeah.

[Mal]

I mean, well, Skip is probably good because he's married, right? This could. Bayless married?

[Rory]

I don't know.

[Mal]

I think he is, right. Yeah, he's married. Right, so.

[Rory]

So that's probably a beard, in your opinion.

[Mal]

So probably just, you know, he's going to go through some shit at home if those text messages come out and, you know, he's going to have some questions from the wife and things like that. It'll mess up his home for sure. But, you know, he didn't, you know.

[Rory]

He little handsy at work no more. You can't go up to a hairdresser and ask to fuck her and offer 1.5 million. And when she says you're married, you go, but you Muslim.

[Mal]

All right, what's worse that whatever you.

[Rory]

About to say, what's worse?

[Mal]

What's worse? Asking somebody in the workplace, you know, like grabbing their ass or them turning down to 1.5.

[Rory]

Both are awful.

[Mal]

Nah, turning down to 1.5 is crazy.

[Rory]

All right, See, Joe, but this goes back to your moral shit of when we argue. If you put a dollar amount to what you will do. At this point, we're just negotiating because we know you'll do it. What, you think everyone would fuck for 1.5 million? Because she didn't. If he said 2.5, would you have?

[Mal]

I'm just saying. That's why. But that's what I'm saying. It's crazy. How many women would not fuck. If you like, I'm gonna give you 1.5 million. How many women?

[Rory]

I don't know.

[Damaris]

Plenty of women. When you're putting. It's Skip Bayless, it ain't like you.

[Mal]

Saying plenty of women ain't turning down 1.5.

[Damaris]

You just sat here and said turn down 1.5. You be putting that shit on women a lot. When we had that same conversation when you tried to convince me that I would fuck LeBron because he would pay me. Not everybody values the same things.

[Mal]

A lot of women ain't turning down 1.5 million.

[Damaris]

A lot of women. A lot of women won't, but a lot of women will.

[Rory]

Let's not even make it. Let's not even make it a gender thing.

[Mal]

Y'all just told me she kept the job because she had. She had bills to pay. She's a hair. How much you think she's making a year being a hairstylist?

[Rory]

She probably does well for herself. She's been.

[Mal]

How much do you think she's making a year being a hairstylist keeping a.

[Damaris]

Job while you're being sexually harassed to pay your bills versus fucking for 1.5 are two completely different things.

[Mal]

Yes, they are. So I'm saying, you think that a woman that is saying, I want to keep my job so I'm going to be quiet about being harassed at work is. You think that her turning that 1.5 is not crazy? That's crazy for a woman to turn? I'm not saying she's wrong. I'm just saying that's shocking. Like, damn, she told Skip. Nah, like, I'm cool on the 1.5. That's a lot of fucking money for just to be fucking some old white dude.

[Rory]

Okay, let's.

[Mal]

Let's not act like that's not. That's crazy.

[Damaris]

It is.

[Rory]

It is.

[Mal]

1.5 million people. Like, I'm sending the wire in the morning or. No, I send it right now.

[Damaris]

But if that's the case, she would just go be an escort if she wanted to fuck for that amount of money. That. Obviously, that's not what she went into. Obviously, she likes her job.

[Mal]

I get that part. I'm just saying, I don't know many women that would say to 1.5 just to fuck one night. It's not a lot of women turning that down. Let's just keep it real in 2025, man.

[Damaris]

Okay?

[Mal]

A lot of women is not turning down 1.5 million.

[Rory]

I'm not saying that, but clearly there are some, because.

[Mal]

Oh, of course. I'm not saying all women is taking it. I'm saying that's just if a woman be like, yo, how much he offer? 1.5. Best believe her homegirl started another group chat. Like, I don't know. I might have took that. It's another group chat on her phone that she's not in where her girls is having that conversation. Like, 1.5.

[Damaris]

Not everybody willing to sell their soul for money, Ma.

[Mal]

Everybody got a price.

[Rory]

All right, let's say you are the stylist on the View. You're dressing all. All those old broads down.

[Mal]

If Whoopi come in my room tomorrow.

[Rory]

Joy Behar got 1.5 on it. Are you fucking her missionary, face to face.

[Mal]

How does Joy Behar look? How much you offering me?

[Rory]

1.5.

[Mal]

Doesn't matter how she look. I'm knocking her head off.

[Rory]

I'll be honest. I'm fucking Joy Behar for one point, for 1.5.

[Mal]

Joy getting knocked down. I'm putting Joy through the.

[Rory]

I might fuck for cheaper.

[Mal]

1.5. If Joy put the 1.5 on the table. She getting fucked on top of the 1.5.

[Rory]

I love that Joy Behar is the female Skip Bayless in this situation.

[Damaris]

Poor joy.

[Mal]

1.5. You what? I can never go uptown. If I turn that 1.5, niggas, I'm like, you did what? You didn't take that 1.5.

[Rory]

All right, you're married, man.

[Mal]

Listen, we could go on a vacation after that.

[Damaris]

Barbara Walters.

[Mal]

Barbara getting knocked down.

[Rory]

If you're married, though, and you don't have $1.5 million and then you fuck Joy Behar and get that 1.5. What are you telling your wife of where this lick you just came up from?

[Mal]

Y'all got hot in the gambling spot. Nigga, I had the hot hand.

[Rory]

What you.

[Mal]

Yeah, I had the hot hand in the gambler spot. We out.

[Rory]

I think Skip will end up being fine. And pardon me for just being such a liberal cuck here. The misogyny, that Joy Taylor, if this is all true, she's fucked up. But either way, let's say it's not true. She's still fucked Joy. She's never coming back. There was also that she was Emmanuel, too. Another co host. Like these accusations. There's no way that woman is going to get back on TV and a company feel okay about it just with these allegations of the amount of people she was fucking. All right, which is which I think is messaging.

[Mal]

We had this conversation off Mike Skip.

[Rory]

I think it'll be just fine.

[Mal]

We had this conversation off mic and y'all was saying that, well, she can't get fired because it's just accusations. Do we think that they will force her to step down?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

All right. All right. As long as you keeping the toll on that. I do think they'll force her to step down.

[Rory]

I completely think that.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And I'm curious if the head of Content even makes a statement also. If you're Joy Taylor's husband, what are you doing in this situation? Are you making a statement?

[Damaris]

No. Shut the up.

[Mal]

Joy Taylor's married.

[Rory]

That's what was so crazy about this entire thing. She moved from Miami. Her husband stayed in Miami. She went to la. Cause she was following her dream. So she started allegedly the head of Content while her husband was still in Miami because she was lonely. They were married for a year.

[Mal]

Okay. She's. Oh, okay, okay.

[Rory]

But Charles Dixon was also married, so it was a safer affair because everyone had something to lose. But the hairdresser said that there was times when Joy and her husband and Charlie Dixon and his Wife would go out together, like at work functions and shit, and she would just watch from a distance, like, God damn.

[Mal]

But Rory, you and I have been around and we know enough people to know none of this is out of. Like I. This is the norm.

[Rory]

Completely agree with you. But she's on air talent. This changes everything. Like, yes, this is some office politics, which I've always found very fucking weird. There's so many women and men in the world. Why do you need to fuck someone at work, right? Insane to me. And I mean, I guess I get Joy's perspective of it, of her way to a great gig. Like, I falter because she was married, not because she did it that way. If. If somebody sees an opportunity to fuck their way to the top, have at it might have fucking judged. People have done sicker shit than their way to the top. So whatever.

[Mal]

It's better than fucking your way to the bottom.

[Rory]

Your reputation, which I also care. Well, to be honest, at the end of the day, you can really only your way to the bottom when it comes down to it. Because with all this coming out, I think she's on her way to the bottom. This isn't going to keep her anywhere.

[Mal]

Who, Skip? Bayless Friends?

[Damaris]

I don't, I don't. I don't have them. I'm facing.

[Mal]

Because. 1.5. 1.5. If I'm. If, if, if I. If it come out tomorrow.

[Rory]

And risking your reputation that Rory sent.

[Mal]

The girl a text message saying, yo, for the 1.5, you gonna give me some ads?

[Rory]

I don't have 1.5 to give.

[Mal]

I'm just saying if it came out, I'm gonna feel away. I'm gonna feel like I failed Rory's friend. Cause I'm gonna be like, dog, you know how much for 1.5? We could go to doctor? You will. No disrespect to the hairdresser, Ms. Faraji, I think she's an attractive woman, very pretty. But if we go to doctor, we gonna see 30 of them before we even get to the resort. But can they do 1.5 in doctor? You can fuck the entire island.

[Rory]

But I think, I think that goes back to the power shit in the office. Like, of course, I think Skip could go find, let's not even say an escort. I think Skip could find a woman that looks like that, that would just want to fuck him because he has money. That's not rare. I think he did it because it was an office thing. Like, he got off on doing that to an employee.

[Damaris]

And she kept Turning him down. She also kept turning him down. I don't believe her. Sorry. I don't.

[Mal]

Yeah, I don't believe. I don't believe he offered a 1.5. I don't believe that.

[Rory]

That Muslim comment, though, was way too, like, now.

[Mal]

Now, Skip. Skip got that off. Skip said that now that I'm rolling. I think he said that, but I don't think Skip bayless offered her $1.5 million to fuck.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I'm not rolling with that.

[Rory]

I didn't jokingly say that, like, I'll pay one point. Because he kept going at her and she kept turning it down. I saw him at one point being like, yo, I'll give you 1.5.

[Mal]

So every day he was walking in. He was walking in the hairstylist room like, yo, 1.3. And she was like, not. So it was like they were bidding. All right. I mean, well, if she was bidding, he ain't get to the 2 yet. She probably would have folded at the 2. I just.

[Rory]

Unless you're podcasting and it's a consensual conversation, I don't understand why you're talking about sex with your co workers.

[Mal]

I mean, co workers talk about sex, not us having sex together. But they talk about sex, though.

[Rory]

Skip is a boss in that area.

[Damaris]

Like, he shouldn't be talking about sex to anybody.

[Mal]

Oh, no, I. I get that. I'm just saying co workers. Come on, bro. We've had jobs. You. You talk to your co workers about sex. Maybe not about y'all having sex. You shouldn't.

[Rory]

Course not.

[Mal]

But we talk about having, like, sex. That's just a natural thing that people that are working together.

[Damaris]

But you also shouldn't. You shouldn't really do that, especially if you're a male coworker. You shouldn't be saying that around your female coworker. You shouldn't be talking about sex around your female coworker. Just to be. Just to play it safe. Just don't do it. People listening. Just don't do it. Because it can't make somebody un.

[Mal]

Every job I've had, we've talked about sex. That's just. I'm just. I'm just going off again. My. My experience. Every job I've had, everybody had talked about sex. Not again, not with each other, but sex came up in the workplace. Like, we. Not. Come on, we being naive here. Sex. What job?

[Damaris]

What job?

[Mal]

When I was working at the hospital. Absolutely. As a team.

[Damaris]

Well, hospitals are, like, known for being, like, messy. Like, just watch Grey's Anatomy.

[Mal]

Not for.

[Damaris]

No, not because I watched Grey's Anatomy.

[Mal]

Working at a bar. You think bartenders don't talk to each other about having sex?

[Damaris]

As a bartender, I actually have never talked to any of my male co workers about sexual things ever. And I bartended for a long time. Never.

[Mal]

That's a hard.

[Damaris]

I just. You just don't. I don't know. I just feel like with you just men, just to be safe, everything is different. And you play everything by ear, but just don't talk to your female co workers about sex.

[Mal]

Oh, no. In 2025, you can't even talk to your female co workers if you're a man. I don't even say good morning. Maybe I say good morning to you.

[Damaris]

No, you do not.

[Mal]

I walk right past you. Walk right past you.

[Rory]

The mic has to be hot.

[Mal]

Yeah. You gonna hear everything I say to Baby D. Y'all hear it. Ain't gonna have me in no lawsuit. I don't say nothing. I walk right past, man.

[Rory]

When I was working at Havas, like, we would do shoots in Airbnbs. Like, we would rent airbnbs in soho to do like a week of shooting. And a lot of times we would stay there. There'd be a bunch of beds. Like, if we have to shoot at 7am, we're rapping at midnight. Like, a lot of us would just stay. And two co workers started, and they put me in a fucking small ass conference room, no windows, and started asking me about what they were doing at Airbnb. I was like, I was asleep. And it must have not been good sex because I didn't hear. And that was the God's honest truth. But apparently, I mean, they were going at it. Maybe I'm just a deep sleeper.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But they. They thought I was lying and trying to protect them. I was like, des, I have no idea. But everyone else snitched, so they both got fired.

[Damaris]

That's lame.

[Mal]

You should have been sleepwalking. Lynn.

[Rory]

It was kind of nasty. Cause she. They were in the same, like, role. It wasn't like a power dynamic. But she was like, damn near twice his age. That's why I blew my mind.

[Mal]

So what was the issue if it was consensual?

[Rory]

I just. Co workers. We were in an Airbnb paid by the company out of a production budget. Like, for a company like Havas being that corporate. Like, you can't.

[Damaris]

No, you can't fucking.

[Rory]

If they fucked at their house, like, cool. That's. You're basically fucking in the office. It's the same Thing.

[Damaris]

But that's.

[Rory]

They might as well went to the bathroom at the office and fucking.

[Damaris]

But that's what they get for being cheap. Because y'all should have all been in your own hotel rooms.

[Rory]

We were in like huge Airbnbs where everyone had their own individual room and bathroom. Like it. It happened often. It was better than hotels for the most part. No one had to share a bathroom. You had your own room. And at that point I was pissed because, you know, we always gave the women the best rooms because they're women. She was in old boys room. I could have taken her room.

[Mal]

That's why you was mad. That's why you dropped. I didn't know that's why you dropped the dime.

[Rory]

I thought I was getting.

[Mal]

He sent the email.

[Rory]

I think I was getting fired because again, I did not know what was going on. And everyone else that was there, I guess was like only whispering amongst themselves. So when I got sat in that room, I thought I was getting fired. And they were like, did you know? And I'm not gonna say their names obviously were having. They said intercourse. Which I started laughing because I. I can't hold like.

[Mal]

Don't tell me.

[Rory]

Having like a 55 year old woman. Don't say intercourse to me.

[Mal]

Don't say h. Don't say intercourse to me. But either way, you know, Joy, Ms. Faraji, Skip, listen, man, you know, y'all understand get a little horny at the workplace and you know, but you gotta now, you gotta stand behind that.

[Rory]

Now, before we do wrap up, does Shannon Sharp talk about this?

[Mal]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

Does Stephen A talk about this?

[Mal]

Absolutely.

[Damaris]

Absolutely.

[Mal]

They can't wait. We talking about it and we don't know these niggas. Yeah. You think if I worked with somebody for years like that and this happened, like I'm not gonna say something, but.

[Rory]

I feel like both of them kind of have to come out and say they weren't aware. And I know you know, Stephen A and Skip were at a whole different network. Wasn't even FS1. You do have to say I didn't know.

[Mal]

Nah. You know, Shannon, if he the same.

[Rory]

Of me in that windowless room, bro, I have no idea.

[Mal]

Shannon gonna pull some yak. He gonna say he gonna talk some boy.

[Rory]

Oh, I think he.

[Mal]

Skip, I try to tell you.

[Rory]

Skip, I'll.

[Mal]

Skip, I try tell you now. Leave them. Leave them alone, Skip.

[Rory]

But then that puts you in a crazy position because what if Shannon lost.

[Mal]

His job because they didn't want to give him an addition? 1.5.

[Rory]

That's number. That's why Skip had it.

[Mal]

All right, man. Like, y'all lost Shannon because y'all trying to. Skip trying to give this young lady 1.5.

[Rory]

Oh, my God. Well, I mean, I feel for the. The spouses in this entire thing, because that's gotta be.

[Mal]

Yeah, man.

[Rory]

Imagine that. That group chat with. With Joy Taylor's husband, like, with the homies. I wouldn't know what to say.

[Mal]

She's not married. It's her ex husband.

[Rory]

Oh, I didn't know they divorced me. Keep up with fucking.

[Mal]

He was the only. It was only.

[Rory]

Maybe he found out.

[Mal]

Oh, maybe. Nah, she wasn't. She wasn't an FS1 in 2017, was she? She was.

[Rory]

It specifically said in the paperwork she left her husband, still married in Miami to go to LA to work with FS1.

[Mal]

Oh, okay.

[Rory]

Well, then, yeah, maybe that's why she was definitely cheating. If that is the case, I feel bad for all the women that are in sports because let's not act like that hasn't been a whole stigma forever, that if a woman is working in sports, she's fucking everybody. And this just puts proof to it. And now every girl is going to have that.

[Mal]

Well, sometimes women. Women in whatever workspace they're in, they are fucking guys in the workplace.

[Damaris]

Sometimes. But there's also a bunch of women who bust their ass to get to where they're at.

[Mal]

Oh, 100%. And are also always women that bust their ass to get their position. And there's women that get ass busted to get their position. This is nothing new, I promise you. This is all. There's people in their 70s that can be like, this was happening in the 70s. Like, what do we. It's nothing new here, but it needs.

[Rory]

To be fired if everything is true here. Because now I have to question your decision making as a leader. Like, you're just putting women that you're in the position rather than somebody that's qualified for it, because to me, that makes the men.

[Mal]

But what if she qualified and you f. Every.

[Rory]

Every woman is not just getting a job because some boss is them. That's awful management. And I'm not saying that there aren't awful, disgusting men that do that, clearly. But not every boss is only giving positions to women because they're fucking them.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

So it's. That stigma is going to be even more now.

[Mal]

So I feel for him is what it is, man. Everybody will be fine. At the end of the day, they'll end up at another network.

[Rory]

No, they won't.

[Damaris]

I Hope. I hope the truth comes out. And I really hope that if this isn't true, like, ain't nothing you could really do to bring joy career back. That's up. If it isn't true, it's. That's up.

[Mal]

Oh, she has a podcast. She'll be fine.

[Damaris]

Because nobody with a podcast will be fine.

[Mal]

Why podcast?

[Damaris]

That is not fine, yo.

[Mal]

Yeah, she'll be fine.

[Rory]

I'll tell you this. If in the paperwork of her saying that if she got fired, she would just scream rape pretty much is what she said.

[Mal]

That's crazy.

[Rory]

I can. If she already has that type of mind state, I can see her going on her podcast if this is true, and angling it that she started fucking the head of content because she felt pressured she could spin this and become a quote unquote victim. In these times, it's very fucking easy to become one and be like, oh, he. I felt like I had to do it and like, I was embarrassed and like, she could find a way to spin this where she looks like she was a victim in this entire to my joy. Yeah. Especially if she already has a mind state that she'll yo rape when she was having consensual sex. We already know the diabolical shit that she could come up with and make herself look like, yo, I was. This is what women have to go through in the space. The only way I could even get a job. I felt very pressured. If I felt like I said something, my whole career would be done. She could find a way to spin this that women will attach and be like, look, she's a victim. I could see it. And Fox Sports is not gonna side with Charlie Dixon if that's the case.

[Mal]

No, Highly doubt that, but. Well, on to another set of balls. Liangelo balls. Viral record. Another set of ball.

[Rory]

No, I get what you're saying.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

Skips balls. Yeah, yeah.

[Mal]

FS ones.

[Rory]

Lavar ball.

[Mal]

Come on.

[Rory]

Made him a star. I get it.

[Mal]

All right. So y'all was going crazy about this LiAngelo Ball record last week.

[Rory]

My 2025 predictions are live on Patreon right now. Patreon.com backslash Newroarian Mall. And I think so far, I'm one for one.

[Damaris]

How you set a hit record? It has not a hit yet.

[Rory]

Oh, it's a.

[Mal]

This is.

[Rory]

That's a bona fide hit.

[Mal]

What's bonafide?

[Rory]

Cause we got going to shoot up the charts, man.

[Mal]

This record ain't going nowhere, man.

[Damaris]

It's viral. It's not a hit.

[Mal]

It's a Viral song.

[Rory]

You don't think Tweekin gonna. Gonna chart?

[Mal]

No. Nelly want his style back, and Nelly been. He been going crazy asking for his style back all weekend. But, I mean, I get it. I understand.

[Rory]

I hear a lot of Chameleonaires.

[Mal]

It. I see. I can see that.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I see Chamillionaire. I can hear little Nelly. Lil Booy. Yeah, I can hear. I can hear a little bit of that. Yeah. It's got. Got a little New Orleans bounce. New Orleans flare to it, little Midwest flare. I get it.

[Rory]

I mean, I think it's a good record as much as I get it's. It's a hype. And it's funny to say that you love this record. I don't think it's a bad record. I think.

[Mal]

I'm not saying it's a bad record. I. I heard it once, but I probably won't listen to it again. I mean, it's cool for being liangelo Ball. I get the. You know, the fact that it's LiAngelo Ball, basketball player, made a really good song. Catchy. It's viral on. On, you know, on. On social media right now. I get it. But you talking about it's gonna be a hit.

[Rory]

I think it'll actually last. I think it'll be a record this year. Like, I think it will come on for the remainder of the year. I really do.

[Mal]

See. I don't. I don't.

[Damaris]

All you need is a tick tock dance.

[Rory]

And that's coming. You know it is.

[Damaris]

I was thinking of something when I was listening.

[Rory]

He might swerve and bend the corner. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Damaris]

Three million in three days.

[Mal]

Yeah. Viral. I get it. It's a good song. It's catchy. It's definitely a catchy record. I'm seeing some DJs play with different blends and, you know, things like that with the record. I get it. I understand what it's doing, but I don't know if we'll hear this record being played at the festival in June, July.

[Rory]

This is going off at Rolling Live for sure.

[Damaris]

Oh, definitely.

[Rory]

Come on, man. All I trust is God, Glocks and dollars, too. Like, he's speaking to me.

[Mal]

He was not. I could promise you LiAngelo Walt was not speaking to you.

[Damaris]

I could promise you he wasn't. You were not the target.

[Mal]

I could promise you he wasn't speaking to you.

[Rory]

I mean, I hear a 3 stacks pocket crazy on this beat.

[Mal]

Who did this? Right? See, now you start putting Andre 3000.

[Rory]

Was. Was this. Did. Did Metro and Conductor Come together to make this, like, this beat is crazy. I could hear the three stacks pocket on it. I think three stacks after the flute album, we deserve a verse. And I think he treats it like. Like walk it out. I saw people saying booy or Webby would be great on a remix. I think we get a remix out of this.

[Mal]

I could see a remix happening. I mean, listen, I, I, I felt the same way. Well, actually, no, I, I didn't know the Glorilla record was a hit. What was her first record that we loved going for?

[Damaris]

I'm F R E e. Nope.

[Mal]

No, the other one.

[Rory]

Yeah, Glo.

[Damaris]

No, no. Fuck nigga free. I'm F R E E. Fuck nigga free. That was her one.

[Mal]

That one, I knew that was a hit, so I could kind of see maybe some remnants of that here. But I think the fact that it's liangelo ball is what's gonna stop it from. Cause it is a gift and a curse of Now. If this was some random guy that we never even heard of, we would.

[Damaris]

Never even be listening to this record.

[Mal]

No, no, no. Don't do that. Don't see that. It's different. It's different.

[Rory]

This definitely caught steam because it was L'Angelo Ball, and it was like, oh, this is actually pretty fucking good.

[Mal]

But then he debut it on somebody's stream.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

So he debuted on the stream.

[Rory]

That was because of who he was. His brother was playing it on Instagram. Like, he's definitely had the ball roll up.

[Mal]

So that's what I'm saying. The fact that it was that, I think, is what's making it this. But I think there's a ceiling in that. Because, you know, when you're a ball player, when you're an athlete, like, it's not when you try to jump into music, you have a ceiling.

[Damaris]

But I don't think he's been successful enough in ball for it to happen.

[Mal]

I mean, he hasn't. He's not in the NBA. But I mean, the fact that he is a ball brother, I think that's gonna hinder it a little bit, versus if this was like a y N from the Midwest that's really in the streets selling pills and busting glocks. Like, if it was that type of kid, I could see that him getting a remix and then they really going crazy. Like. But with liangelo being liangelo ball, I think there's a cap on it.

[Rory]

But this is the first time we've seen an athlete outside of A.B. of course, A.B. put that shit on that Tried to make a record that I feel like would lean into party and hits. Like Damian Lillard, to me is the best rapper, best basketball player ever. But his albums are that, like, I like, he's like really rapping on this. This is a hit. This is a song for the party. We've never seen athletes really try to do that before. Even when. When Shaq was doing. He was rapping. Some of those were hits, but he was rapping.

[Mal]

Chad got hits. Don't say someone.

[Rory]

Kobe, he was. I mean, he was trying to rap. He wasn't really in pocket. Iverson was making cop killing music that wasn't playing on the radio. Like, we've only seen athletes try to be lyrical. Yeah, this is the first time that we haven't. So I don' It'll hinder the way it has with other athletes. Like, people are just viewing this as a good record now. And he got a lot of steam because.

[Mal]

Good record. He, he, he's viral with right now. Good record, though.

[Rory]

So I am one for one. I don't need flowers yet. I told you guys. The. The two tone red and yellow roses I like a lot. But whenever you guys want to put together peonies, right?

[Mal]

You're a peonies guy. Got you.

[Rory]

So maybe a sunflower.

[Mal]

I don't know.

[Rory]

Peonies. But one. One for one already.

[Damaris]

Peonies, baby.

[Mal]

Peonies.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I don't know if I'm taking your. We know your pronunciation is like. Are you sure?

[Damaris]

I'm positive.

[Mal]

All right.

[Damaris]

It's my favorite flower.

[Mal]

Peonies.

[Damaris]

Peonies.

[Mal]

Peonies, yes.

[Damaris]

Not peonies.

[Mal]

Peonies. Hydrangeas. Hydrangeas, right? Is that you say it.

[Damaris]

Hydrangeas.

[Mal]

I think hydrangeas. Okay.

[Rory]

And above 40. Hydroplaning. No, Rory, technically I'm 2 for 2 or 1.5 for 1.5.

[Mal]

Don't see. Cause now you trying to parlay it into the Nikki thing you predicted. Cut it out.

[Rory]

I mean, we set it off, Mike.

[Mal]

Cut it out. Cut it out.

[Rory]

But I can see it happening.

[Mal]

All right, well, you got time. It's only January. You got time.

[Rory]

But crazy out the gate.

[Mal]

I will say six days in, I.

[Rory]

Will say I am smoking. You guys laughed at my list on Patreon. I am out the gate.

[Mal]

I will say it's looking like. All right, hold on. You might have some info that we. You might be inside trading right now. Like, all right, man. You might have. You might have heard about some things coming down the pipeline.

[Rory]

Texan Lavar and. Yeah, like you knew about some shit in Kenneth Petty.

[Mal]

It's all right, though. It's all right. But you looking. You looking all right, though. You looking all right. You might make the bubble.

[Rory]

And also what I need my flowers for. I got a Drake shout out. I got my own timestamp now from Drake.

[Mal]

Oh, to Fighting Irish.

[Damaris]

Yeah, please.

[Rory]

Wait, you didn't think that was. That was for me?

[Mal]

No. Not one. Not at one time did I ever think that was for you, Rory. No.

[Rory]

Over the Weekend, on Conductor's YouTube page, a. I wouldn't even call it a snippet. It was a video of Drake rapping over a conductor beat of something that he had just written. Who even named it Fighting Irish, by the way? Because that was not on any, like, official thing. People just deemed it Fighting Irish, which I thought was a hard title, because we'll get to the reason why, but.

[Mal]

What a video was originally posted on his photographer's page. Yeah, I'm not sure if she captioned it that or not.

[Rory]

It wasn't. And then it got to Conductor's page and then everything obviously got taken down by Universal, which we'll also get to, because I thought that was interesting in the middle of this entire back and forth that Drake has with Universal. But it had the timeline in a fucking frenzy because this is the first time since Heart Part six that we really heard a response from Drake about everything that happened in the last six, seven months. There was stuff in 100 gigs that was here and there, certain things, but nothing that felt like an official response to what was going on. This entire thing feels like a shot at LeBron James. I think that's why people called it Fighting Irish, because obviously LeBron used to play. Was it St. Mary's where their mascot was the Irish? It comes out the gate. I don't know. I think it's not just a LeBron dis. I think it's overall, all the people that he was cool with that ended up buying a ticket to the Amazon show. And just everyone that he saw. I wouldn't, I guess, yeah, switch sides. But this put, again the timeline back in a full fucking split where everybody was either absolutely hating it or thought it was the greatest thing. I just. Can we get to a place in 2025? Why are people hoping for bad music from artists like. I'll never understand that logic. I understand we're in the era that everyone chose a team, and everyone that didn't even like hip hop before now has decided to take the Kendrick side, which is fine. He's an incredible artist. I'm glad more people are Kendrick fans. Why on earth. As a consumer, this shows me that you're just not a fan of music. Why on earth would you want bad Drake music? Why on earth would you want bad Kendrick music?

[Mal]

Who want.

[Rory]

Why would you want bad scissor music? Because she's with td. I don't get this new stand culture.

[Mal]

People want bad music.

[Rory]

People were celebrating that they thought this Drake snippet or leak was bad to the point that they were. They were searching chat GBT and did this whole theory of when Drake uses shun at the end of every bar, people were just finding chat GBT verses. Like, make a Drake verse with shun as the last syllable. And they were pretty funny. I can't lie. Like, chat GBT did come up with some great. Like, no, 9:00am at Chat GBTS. They were fucking great. But I don't know, I just found it odd that, of course, I've already accepted this weird Stan culture on both sides, but I thought, like, when we got Drake to rap again, that. I'm not saying you have to like it, but the celebration and hope that Drake continues to put out music that they deem awful. And also the people that did once like an artist, but now that they've chose this other team, they discredit everything that they used to like about that artist.

[Mal]

But that's not just with artists. That's in life, though. Like, that's just a thing that people do.

[Rory]

Why?

[Mal]

Because that's what people have been waiting for. They've been waiting for a moment to say, oh, he's not as good, or, she's not as good as y'all thought she was, or that, you know, this person's not as dope as y'all thought they were. People are waiting for that moment for you to look like you slipped or you had, you know, a moment where it wasn't your best effort to then kind of like anything after that gonna say, see, look, I told you, this person was never this good anyway.

[Rory]

But I've. I've objectively had criticism for Drake since CLB. I mean, I love the 21 Savage one. Like, honestly, never mind CLB. I didn't go into for all the Dogs hoping to be right. I wanted the music to be good. Now, it wasn't my favorite Drake album, but I'm not sitting here now because I was like, hey, I feel like he's not inspired that I want to be right about it. I don't want. I didn't want gnx to be bad. Why do people want the artists that they don't like to now have to make bad music?

[Damaris]

Well, because you value the actual music more than you value the yap culture, the. The need for controversy and drama and debate. Because people don't really have that shit going on in their, like, real lives. They're bored. So the only time they even get a chance to argue with somebody is, like, online or, like, things like that. They need the controversy in their lives. You actually. About the music. There are people who still care about the music. Not only that, other people just been louder lately.

[Mal]

There's people that. Again, you know, when you've had. When you've been as dominant as Drake has been over the past 14, 15 years or whatever, and, you know, there's a group of people that no matter what you do, when you dominate for years, people want to see you kind of, like, have a moment where you're not dominating, where you're not the best. Like, that's just a. I think that's human nature. I think people just being human, want to see somebody else receive, you know, the accolades and the praise that you've received for so many years.

[Rory]

I get that.

[Mal]

So I think this is. We're in that phase where I think it's.

[Rory]

Drake can put out a way extra now.

[Mal]

Oh, I mean, but it's. It's supposed to be because you're talking about a guy that's, again, has dominated for so long, so his, you know, his tear down has to be extra. His, you know, if it's gonna happen, I'm on the side of Jon. Let it happen. If the music is actually bad, if the, you know what we're listening to, like, okay, this is not as good. If it's that, then by all means, it's time to put somebody else in that spot. But don't force it and say everything you hear now post beef is, oh, it's chatgpt. It's trash. It's garbage. It's like, all right, man. People that know can see through that shit. Like, y'all are just waiting for anything that he put. Drake could put out his greatest album tomorrow, and there's gonna be a flood of people online saying, this is trash.

[Damaris]

Do you think that this Fighting Irish was good? Objectively, you think it was good?

[Mal]

Okay, yeah. I like the way he released it too. It kind of was like just.

[Rory]

You think that was intentional? It wasn't really just a leak?

[Mal]

Well, obviously it's old. That had been recorded for a while now.

[Rory]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[Mal]

I mean, he had braids in the video.

[Rory]

Oh, shit. Okay.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

See, this is how much, like, I don't care too much about these people. I only care about their music. I would have never even, like, noticed.

[Mal]

Yeah. So this is.

[Rory]

I don't want his hairstyles.

[Mal]

This is at least a couple months old. And I thought it was, you know, his way of kind of, like. Cause I'm sure people have been reaching out to him and kind of, like, you know, backsliding and, you know, backtracking certain actions and reaching out to him. And I think this is probably his way of letting those people know, like, nah, fam. Like, that wasn't. You know what I mean? Like, you got to stay over there. You pick the side. Stay over there. I think this was a cool way of doing that.

[Rory]

Do you think he chose to leak it or had someone purposely leak it based off. Because you brought up in the last episode that LeBron, at his birthday party, requested man of the Garden and wrapped it because Drake unfollowed him. Do you think Drake asked this to be leaked because of LeBron's 40th birthday party? Because this, again, is a pretty direct. Which we'll go through lyrics. It is a direct shot at LeBron through most of this.

[Mal]

That's pretty obvious. Obviously, we know that part. I think that it's a. It could be some of that. That probably is some of it. I believe that, you know, LeBron has probably reached out, you know, through some avenues or, you know, directly however he can, to probably have a conversation with Drake. And I think this is probably Drake's way of saying, like, fam, like. You know what I mean? Like, don't reach. Don't try to hit my line. Like, this is what it is. This is where I'm at. Like, y'all knew what it was when, you know, we was at the. At Mike Rubin's party. And, you know what I'm saying? Like, y'all felt. Y'all knew the energy was different. I didn't speak to nobody. You know what I mean? Like, so I think this is his way of kind of, like, just standing down on that. Like, yo, listen, this is what it is. Like, it ain't no beef, but, you know, y'all can't. We never gonna be as chummy, chummy and as cool as we were. Like, pick that. You pick that side. Stay over there.

[Rory]

I'm indifferent with it. Cause I did see even, like, people that I do think are actually objective and just music fans analyzing this. I did See, people view this as Drake pretty much calling himself a victim in a rap battle that he very much engaged in and continued for a week straight to have Kendrick Lamar reply again and now is playing victim. I get that point of view, but I don't really think.

[Mal]

How is. You think this is playing victim?

[Rory]

I think he can't win for losing when it comes to rapping about the situation that happened in the last six months. Even though I was someone that's been on record saying, I can't wait to hear what Drake and Cole have to say in reflecting on everything that happened. So I'm here for all this. I like the record. Anytime there's some conductor shit and Drake is rapping like a fucking lonely mafioso, I'm here for it every time.

[Mal]

I think it's.

[Rory]

It's great. Even though I don't think this is his best rapping, I did like the way he addressed it. And if I had friends of 15, 20 years and somebody called me a pedophile, and you. You bought a ticket to go watch it. I'm feeling away. So I get. I don't think Drake is playing victim in per se of that battle. I think he is rightfully so upset at some of his friends that, like, oh, you. You really went to that show. Like, I thought we was, like, close like that. So I understand that. And I think that's why he can't win for losing, because people, I think even DJ had it. Had posted something about him playing victim off when he was the aggressor. I get that. But this is separate. This is his friends that he's mad at. He doesn't really address Kendrick in this whatsoever. This is all direct, mainly at LeBron. The only problem I have with what he was saying, the world fell in love with gimmicks. Even my brothers got tickets. Seemed like they loved every minute. I get it. He's mad at all his friends that were there. You can't say that the world fell in love with gimmicks when you fully participated in this battle. You even told Kendrick Lamar to call you a pedophile. You, like, you went through that entire thing. You're. We didn't fall in love with the gimmicks. You got what you asked for, so I don't want to hear anything about that as us as fans falling for anything because you as Tupac and Snoop Dogg, told Kendrick to do exactly what he ended up doing. Drop, drop, drop. I know you got 10 more. All that. Nah, I don't want to hear that part, but everything else. Yeah, man. I'd say LeBron too, 100% would say that.

[Mal]

I mean, I think I'm just trying to figure out where you say I'm playing the victim part at.

[Rory]

That's how people view this entire thing. Like after the battle now, Drake is like, look what they did to me. When you actively participated in a rap battle where there are no rules, I.

[Mal]

Looked at it differently.

[Rory]

I'd be mad at my friends, but I'm not. You can't tell the world that we fell in love with the gimmicks. When you said the gimmicks before Kendrick did.

[Damaris]

But that doesn't make.

[Rory]

They say, yo, call him a pedophile.

[Mal]

Yeah, but that doesn't mean I can't say you fell in love with it.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that doesn't make it any less of a gimmick, if indeed whether I invited or not.

[Rory]

What, you fell for it, then rap. Then rap battles are gimmicks?

[Damaris]

Nah, not exactly.

[Mal]

Nah.

[Damaris]

You know why he's saying gimmicks. And especially when you're talking about they not like us. And I don't just that one. If he would have dragged it on for more than one bar, sure. But that one little line that happens to rhyme with tickets. I'm not.

[Rory]

I'm not. I like the bar.

[Damaris]

I don't think that gives victim that.

[Rory]

That's the only part of this entire thing where I am giving credence to some of the. The objective fans that were like, this isn't really what I wanted to hear. You shouldn't sound like. This is. You're the victim in a situation that you very much were an active participant in. It just didn't go the way maybe you thought it was going to go. But other than that, I do think it's a cool freestyle. I wish he would have finished it. My guess is that he was going to scrap it, but he had the footage and was like, let me just get this shit out. I don't know if you had spoken to him, but.

[Damaris]

But to double back, he did mention that kind of like that gimmick thing on verse three. Again, he said this pulled a rabbit out the hat. And y'all love a magician. So it wasn't just mentioned once. I'll bring that up.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's part of a rap battle. Go make some up and see if the people fall for it.

[Mal]

No, I think, again, make it. Make it.

[Rory]

I didn't. I didn't really think that. I think it was gazy.

[Mal]

Listen, I think all the records. I think it's. I think it's very simple. I think that people that he obviously had a personal relationship with on a deeper level than we probably know.

[Rory]

I.

[Mal]

Think that he saw them stand next to something that was trying to paint him to be something that, again, is the worst shit in the world. And I think that he feels like, if you're my friend, it is rap and it is entertainment, but if you're my friend and somebody is, you know, alluding that, I'm this fucking disgusting person, you can't be at the show dancing with them, rapping along to the lyrics like you. That's just. Again, we're talking about if you're a friend, not if you're just somebody that I say, yo, what's up? And I keep it moving. If you're in my house, and you know what I'm saying, you're playing with my kids, and your kids and my kids know each other. Like. Like, it's certain things that I'm just gonna expect a certain level of loyalty behind. Like. And I think that that's what this is basically speaking to. Like, you know, like, you said, we brothers, but I'm not that cousin to visit or we family. I'm not that cousin to visit.

[Rory]

I think a lot of that was at Cole. I don't think that was all at LeBron. Whoever it's at Cry Blues for you say it wasn't malicious talk about we family. I think a lot of that, God forbid we ever tarnish your public image. That bar people said was about LeBron. And then I saw everyone take that conclusion that Drake was going to expose LeBron for cheating. I was like, how did y'all get that from that bar? Again, that's just the Internet.

[Damaris]

That's like, I know what's crazy.

[Rory]

I didn't catch that.

[Damaris]

I didn't think about. I didn't even think about. But we've heard that before, whatever. So I. When people said that, I attribute it to LeBron. But now that you say that, all that brother talk is if I really discovered a sibling, and that God forbid we ever got the time to share public image. Now, I do get what you're saying, why that might be Cole. I'm here.

[Rory]

I think those three bars are Cole. Cause if we go back, and I'm sorry to backtrack for everyone that's listening to this pod, but this battle's not going anywhere. We're going to continue. We just. It is what it is. I had said when Cole went on there, he had Spoken with Drake and Kendrick and found out where both of them were taking it and said, I have a family. I am in a great space with my family. I was probably on tour for a long time, and I don't need anything of my past to come out of here. And I think that's where Drake is saying, God forbid we ever got to tarnish your public image. Because in this battle, no matter. Clearly, we see that both sides were making things up to begin with. I don't think Cole wanted anything made up or the truth to ever be said about him and some of his younger days, so he bowed out. That was my take then, and I think Drake kind of confirms it here. God forbid we tarnish your public image. I think he had a convo with Cole, and Cole said, I don't want to go there. Y'all about to go on some family shit that genius out, bro. We all have demons. We all have shit. I'm not trying to put anything on Cole or put anything on his jacket. We all have some things consensually that we're not proud of in our past, especially a young millionaire that's 22 years old on tour. I'm sure there was some shit. I'm not. Yeah. And Cole has a great public image.

[Damaris]

Genius is bringing up DeMar DeRozan.

[Mal]

Genius.

[Damaris]

I'm just saying. I'm just. Just throwing players out there.

[Mal]

No, I get it.

[Rory]

Wait, it would. It would tarnish DeMar DeRozan's public image if we knew he had depression and anxiety.

[Damaris]

No, listen, as far as the.

[Rory]

You know, I love you, but I think you guys got that one.

[Damaris]

And talking about cried the blues for you, saying it wasn't malicious. That's. That's what. That's what I'm saying. Cried the blues for you. They bringing up blue. Demar derozan. Crip affiliated. They're putting that. Listen, I'm just bringing up.

[Mal]

This is my last shit listening to rap. I promise you, dawg. I can't. This is. This is just crazy.

[Rory]

Now, again, like. Like the freestyle. And I'm totally understand LeBron shit. I feel a certain type of way. The end does come back to him discussing the battle somewhat. I feel like this is where Drake sensed the Pusha T battle has had some responses that I think were just mismanaged because I do think he was in his feelings about how people have spoken about his family. I think Scorpion is an incredible album. I think that intro is great. I hated his response of my daddy dresses himself. Like, why? Like what? Like, don't reply at that point. I always found that bar weird. And I think he kind of proves just my perspective that a lot of these shots, that is about his past and his family dynamic do affect him a lot. And it shows in his emotion, in how he says things. I don't have a drinking problem. I have subtle addictions. I got my father's habits. I got my mother's permission, which I don't fully understand that part, but he does give credence to the things that Kendrick and Push have brought up about his upbringing. It almost validates what they were saying and that they analyzed Drake correctly.

[Mal]

What, that his mom is. Is a white lady?

[Rory]

Well, yes, they. They nailed that one, which I. I've loved Drake's response in that past when he had said, like, oh, you guys told me my. My mother's white. Like, I'm not looking at her. Like, whoa, what a surprise. You don't think him addressing this is the first time he's really said anything about the battle. He's validating a lot of Meet the Grams.

[Mal]

No, no, I don't. I don't. I don't.

[Damaris]

I don't know. I wouldn't. I need you to draw a parallel a little bit more for me, baby.

[Mal]

Just because you said, I got my. My daddy's. My father's addiction and my mother's permission, or what he said my father.

[Rory]

A lot of the first verses outside of the. The secret kid and all that entire thing was Kendrick talking to Drake's parents about all of their habits and the things that they have done have led to your son now doing these types of things. He was. He was. Even told his mother to sit down and listen to me. Like, he was giving them a talking to and in response.

[Mal]

Talking to.

[Rory]

In response to everything. That's how I felt.

[Mal]

A talking to.

[Rory]

What's Drake's mom's name again? Sandra. Sit down. He said, the dentist jeans come out when the vodka is flooding my system. I don't have a drinking problem. I have subtle addictions. I have my father's habit. My father's habits, he is validating, which is fine. A lot of us, myself included, have a lot of hereditary addiction problems that come from your family. It does validate what Kendrick was trying to place in Meet the Grahams.

[Mal]

Yeah, but which is fine.

[Rory]

I mean, if Drake is fine with.

[Mal]

That, I think it's something his father's habits could be, because then he has the next line. He said, my dad has another child. Like, so he's saying, I got my father's habits, meaning I had a kid, but the relationship with the mom is not. Like, it could be that. Like, I have a habit with women like my father has. Yeah, it could be. It doesn't have to be a drinking addiction. It doesn't have to be a. Like, I just don't like. Again, people are diving way too deep into this. I get it. This is what we're supposed to do. When somebody puts out a record like this in the midst of coming off of one of the biggest battles that we've had. I get it. But a lot of the times we just be. We just be throwing shit at the wall, hoping something stick, bro.

[Rory]

I don't think we're looking too far into this because I think it's a direct response to Meet the Grams, which was validating a lot of what Kendrick was saying when he was analyzing Drake's upbringing and who he is as a person now, so.

[Mal]

So you think Kendrick gave us the knowledge?

[Rory]

No, I just think every time Push got into his actual family life and Kendrick did as well. And Drake has always replied emotionally to those things rather than strategically, which he did with Meek. Even w freestyle. He wasn't emotional. Yet he does show his hand, which again, why we love Drake is because he's a sensitive artist. Artists should be sensitive. He shows his hand and isn't strategic when it comes to these family lines. Push and Kendrick are proving that it got to him. It really got to you that you have not even just addressing it, confirming that. Yeah, a lot of this shit on Meet the Grams, you were correct, which there's nothing wrong with. A lot of us have up parents and it. It bleeds into our. Our life. So I don't think it's a bad thing. I just think now in the scope of this battle, which you've already. Your perception is rocky in this situation. You just confirmed me the grams.

[Damaris]

Do you guys think Drake should have dropped this?

[Mal]

Yeah, I'm not mad at.

[Rory]

I think again, it wasn't officially a drop.

[Mal]

It was a video. The photographer put it on her Instagram. Of course, every blog picked it up after that, but it was like a cool little.

[Rory]

I think it is.

[Mal]

Well, I mean, he definitely gave her permission to post it, but I mean, you know, I think it was a cool way of kind of just putting some type of, you know, bars out there and some type of, you know, I think the people. I think this was for a specific, specific people to hear. You know what I mean? I do think that people are reaching out to him personally, that he's just not with anymore. And I think this is his way of just confirming that and letting those people know. Like, listen, I'm not gonna hit your phone. Don't hit mine. This is where we stand. You're gonna know exactly who. Whoever he's talking to knows exactly who he's talk. Who. Who they are through this brief. They know. And I think that's what this was for. That's. Which is why it was kind of released in the way it was. It was kind of like just giving you a glimpse into what I've written so far. Got in my phone. I didn't write much more than this. Here, just put this out so people can stop hitting my phone.

[Rory]

Yeah. If this was an actual drop, I would have liked him to finish it. I think Drake would have not scrapped these verses whatsoever, but just added more to them. It felt like he was really just writing this in the moment and was just rapping it to conductor whoever was there.

[Damaris]

Like he was high, like rapping like.

[Rory]

Nah, this is how far I got, which is cool. If this was on dsps though, I would like a little bit, little bit more. But I mean, this is the type of Drake I like, so I never mad at that.

[Mal]

It sounds like a time stamp.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's one of those. Our Outro joint. Why do we think he told his dad that wasn't my sister. Was she dancing or not like us? What happened?

[Damaris]

People do that all the time. I know, but you have an outside child. That's not my sister. I think that was lame in him for him to write that line, but people do that all the time.

[Rory]

Well, I don't think it was lame because I think there's way more to that. I think something happened within the midst of that. I don't think he just out the gate, like did 23andMe and saw his dad had a kid and was like, yo, that's not my sister. Something happened. I feel like in the midst of that.

[Mal]

Yeah, again, that's, you know, that's why.

[Rory]

I just want to know what. What y'all think I did he catch her on Instagram? Like, was she. Was she doing a tick tock dance to not like Us?

[Mal]

He found a tick tock.

[Damaris]

I don't know. I.

[Mal]

He found a tick tock. Oh, word.

[Rory]

Janice was a well traveled music. For all we know, she could have been born in Compton and she was in that video.

[Mal]

You see what Dre said? That ain't my sister, dawg. I just found her TikTok and she going crazy to not like us.

[Rory]

But I. I feel again, I. I don't know him. But we can speak for us. If you found out you had another sibling, your initial reaction would be, that's not my sister.

[Damaris]

People do that all the time. People be knowing about their siblings that they. That their parent had with another like mom. And they just will not. We don't have the same mom. We not siblings. People do that shit all the time.

[Rory]

Fair.

[Mal]

Especially if you resent your dad in some type of way and his relationship he has with your mom or if he cheated.

[Damaris]

If he was cheating and shit.

[Mal]

Yeah, like I said, that's.

[Damaris]

People do it all the time.

[Rory]

But I do feel like Drake being the age that he is, there would be. You don't blame that on the kid to your sister, like, that's not her fault. That's your. If you still cool with your dad, but not cool with the daughter. The daughter didn't. Your dad did it. And clearly we know Drake has had his ups and downs with his father, but they are still.

[Mal]

I don't think that that's how you.

[Rory]

Mad at you not mad at your dad, but that's not your sister.

[Mal]

No, I think that's why he said that, because he was mad at his dad. I don't think it was personal to the young lady. I think it was more so like when his dad told him that he was like mad at his father more than anything. I think that's what it was. But again, this is us just diving deep into shit that we don't know about guessing, which is what we supposed to do. But the bottom line is, I think that this is hinting at the fact that he probably has more shit written.

[Rory]

Oh, for sure.

[Mal]

More songs, more bars coming whenever he decides to put out another album. I know he has the tour this year in Australia, so I'm guessing sometime after that maybe that tour is over. The Drake party album still, I believe is coming this month.

[Rory]

There was three like 15 second snippets, which. Which we don't need to listen to them because they're just quick 15 second joints. I liked all three of the 15 second snippets. I mean, he's not here for the rap beef. He's here to get the party lit. Which I'm fine with that now, but go do it. Like, go do it. If you don't care about the beef no more, cool, whatever. And you're only focused on getting the party lit, then I would love a record. I mean, which I think we'll get.

[Mal]

With this party yeah. By Drake and Party. Their. Their track record together, their songs together.

[Rory]

Are those snippets sound right?

[Mal]

Yeah. Like, I think that this album is gonna. Gonna be one of those albums that we played for a long time. I think we got enough. Enough records, enough quotables, enough bars, enough captions on here to last us a while.

[Rory]

Now, I agree with you that this did go out because there was a lot of people hitting Drake's phone and he didn't want to talk to. I'm with you on that. I do think there's another side of why he released it through the photographer and through another YouTube page. This is also a shot shot at Universal. I'm not giving. I'm. He knew for a fact that was going to be taken down. Didn't come from his page, came from someone else's. He knew Universal would. Would strike it eventually, but everybody was at the edge of their seat to hear what Drake had to say about the battle now. And he purposely did not give Universal that moment to monetize it. So I think that was 100A. Also a shot at Universal.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

My response is going to go through something else. It's gonna get out even if you strike it. Everyone ripped that within five minutes. Now everyone has my response. And you can't monetize off it because I'm not with you. Universal.

[Mal]

I think so.

[Rory]

I think that was a clear shot at them.

[Mal]

The Drake Party album is not going to be on Universal either.

[Rory]

I don't. I mean, I don't know how he's going to do that, but I'd be curious.

[Mal]

Yeah, I don't think that's going to be on Universal. I think that might be.

[Rory]

Both of them are on Universal, though.

[Mal]

Yeah, but I don't. I don't think they'll put that out. Yeah, I don't think they're going. I don't think that's going to be Universal, really release.

[Rory]

But Universal would need to clear their vocals regardless. I'm. If he can get that off, more power to him. I just don't know how that would happen.

[Mal]

I don't think so. I think if. If they planned on it being a Universal release, I think the album would have been out already, but I don't think so.

[Rory]

Okay. To marriage split up. Kai left confused after Kanye west posted a picture of a horse in his room.

[Damaris]

So the reason why is because we. It says bully on the horse. Obviously, this was superimposed into Kai's room. People think Kanye's album is coming out and this is part of the rollout.

[Rory]

Well, another snippet leak. Whatever. He got mad at the guy that was filming a record Bully, that there's been other snippets before. This is a, I guess, kind of confirmed first single of Kanye's. Also leaked. Kai sat with Shannon Sharpe and they discussed the Kanye relationship. Kanye said there's no beef, which was great to see. That bully snippet sounded incredible too. I mean, as much as we feel like Kanye's fell off a little bit, I liked Vultures one, Vultures two is okay. To me, that bully sounds great. I like the space. Kanye's smiling. He's on socials with his wife. Like, it could be a facade, but I'm. I'm happy to see Kanye look like he's in a way better space. It's just a snippet sounded awesome.

[Mal]

I'm just indifferent about Kanye right now because I do know that he's leaning into the AI, so I can't really. Like, I'm not with artists using this AI to make complete songs and albums and just use your likeness and then you show up on stage with a mask on. Is that Kanye? Is that. I'm not into that. Like, I get it, but I'm just not. I don't. I don't really. I don't put much into that. Like, I don't. I don't not here for a Kanye west full AI album. Like, I'm. I'm just not here for that shit. Like, if it's Kanye, I want it to be Kanye in the booth. Like, he wrote it or he had writers in the room with him, but it's his vocals. I don't want the AI shit. Like, I'm not. I'm not jumping into that.

[Rory]

I mean, I like Kanye singing when it's auto tune and also when it's not auto tuned. But could you make a case that when someone is completely printing their vocals with effects already, is it that much of a difference? Yes, AI is doing it.

[Mal]

Yes, absolutely.

[Rory]

Because AI was kind of doing it before too.

[Mal]

Nah, nah. The pitch. Pitch correction and all of that is totally different from, hey, Kanye, we have this album already done.

[Rory]

I'm not saying just need you to.

[Mal]

Sign off on it.

[Rory]

Not just pitch correction, because every singer does that, regardless of how talented they are. I'm saying they are printing their vocals with complete effects on them when it goes to mastering. Is there that much of a difference at that point? When you have that many layers of effects on your voice?

[Mal]

Hell yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah. I don't want that from. But There is other artists that. That leans so much into artists.

[Mal]

You don't want a full AI album from no artist.

[Rory]

I mean.

[Mal]

No, you don't. No, you don't.

[Rory]

I'm not going from the artist that I don't particularly care for their music anyways. I don't.

[Mal]

No, I'm talking about the artist. You care for artists, it don't matter, because that's not an artist you care for.

[Rory]

There was a rumor that the Playboy Cardi verse on that Weekend song was completely AI. It was. Someone wrote it for him, and then as a reference, they put his AI vocals. And he was like, well, just keep that then. And he didn't spit anything. We heard that rumor. I don't. Playboy Cardi already has, so I don't even know what his actual voice sounds like. So I don't really care in that aspect. I know what Kanye's voice is, but.

[Mal]

You'Re not a Playboy Carti fan.

[Rory]

True.

[Mal]

That's what I'm saying.

[Rory]

I'm a hater.

[Mal]

I'm talking about. Not. You're not a hater, but I'm just.

[Rory]

Saying you're a hater if you don't like Playboy Cardi.

[Mal]

Well, that's true. But if you. If you. If the. The fan, the. The artist that you support that you've been supportive of forever, and you actually buy, you know, tickets to go see them and things like. Like, I'm really talking about the artists that you really, really enjoy. If you find out that they made a full AI album, you're not supporting that.

[Rory]

Yeah, I'd be upset.

[Mal]

And that's all I'm saying. Like, I'm just not. I don't. Come on, like, what are we doing now?

[Damaris]

But what would even. You seem attached to this idea of Kanye doing a full AI album? What about Kanye even gives him giving complete control to AI? Kanye's too much of a control freak, as he's, like, shown in his whole entire career. I can't see him doing a whole AI album.

[Rory]

He's actually one of the few artists that I could. Could see at his level 100, having no problem with that, because Kanye has always been the artist that's moving forward. What's the next thing, and wants to be the artist to do it. Like, I can see him loving the AI.

[Damaris]

Yeah, AI, but it's AI as far as what? AI isn't writing the lyrics. AI isn't doing AI.

[Mal]

Like, meaning he did not step in a studio at all for no part of this album. He was there when it was done. When he had the songs done, he may have. Tell him, well, change this. Like, they're using his likeness. It's being marketed as Kanye. Like, he has that. He has to sign off on everything. But as far as him spending hours and months in the studio writing and recording music, like, I think for most artists that, you know. Cause if you afforded that luxury, I think you had to work to get to that space. That Kanye, we obviously know he can go in and make an album. He's been doing it. But if he's at a point in his career where he was like, yo, I'm not sitting in the studio for months, again, I'm not doing it. But if I'm gonna reap all the benefits of it based off using this new technology, and they're gonna use my, you know, my likeness and my fluctuations in my voice and all of this thing, and they know have a cool way of doing it. Like Rory said, Kanye will lean in. He wants to be the first one to be like, yeah, I was the first one to do that.

[Damaris]

Yeah. But I just see him still going in the studio and being a big part of the process, even if it is a full AI album. I see.

[Mal]

Oh, no, he'll go in.

[Damaris]

Kanye just signing off.

[Mal]

Oh, no, no. He'll go in there and listening to, like, okay, change this part. Put this here. Like, he'll do that still. But as far as him, like, you know, the time that it takes an artist like Kanye to do an album, like, years, I think that's over with.

[Rory]

But I mean, Kanye, his process as far as writing has been in person, AI, like. Like, he'll have a bunch of great writers and rappers around him, whether it be Saha Khan rhymefest, whoever. He tells them what he wants to say, and they find a better way to wrap it. Like, AI is just another tool. It'd be not the same, obviously, because I don't think it has the same feeling as a human being doing it. That's how Kanye's work, though, even down a production of. He's such a great producer because he knows other musicians that can do things better than him and make his vision better than he could. AI is just another musician or writer, I think, in Kanye's head in that regard. These are the things I want to cover. You write it the best way possible. I'm going to go in the booth and I'll find a pocket and just do a bunch of. Find how I want you to have the flow, and then you put the words together. Saha, you're a better rapper than me. I want the best product. I think it's the same thing with AI now and Kanye, who has isolated himself so much to the point that Ty dollar is the only one he's working with. I think it's even better for him because he doesn't have that. That crew of 15 people like he used to.

[Mal]

We talking about the entire.

[Rory]

I don't want it. I'm just saying I'm looking at, from what we know, Kanye from the outside looking in to him, I feel like at this age, he's like, all right, AI is just my new Saha. I don't think it's the same.

[Mal]

Hell no.

[Rory]

But here's a bunch of ideas that I want, and you could put that shit together with my voice. Bet I'll do the drums here. I'll get someone.

[Mal]

No, I think. I think you're right, but I just can't. I can't buy into that, man. Cause it's still gotta be the integrity. We gotta protect the integrity of this art form, man. Like, we have to, like, again, I understand I'm on the outside of a lot of, you know, the way people think and feel these days, and I'm cool with that. But when you start talking about, you know, changing the integrity of how artists that we love make, create, write, and put out music and say, oh, nah, you know, he didn't go in the booth at all.

[Rory]

It's crazy.

[Mal]

I'm gonna look at you like, all right, so what is this that I'm listening to now? I can't really attach myself to this music and this art the way I once did, because it's not even a real person that did this. Like, you're trying to. It's like buying fake jewelry.

[Rory]

Okay?

[Mal]

A lot of fake jewelry looks great. You know what I'm saying? But then when you sit down and you sit across on somebody and you know that their jewelry is real, like, you know that you can't really become attached to this thing because, you know, it's not real. It's like, that's not even a real thing that you're doing.

[Rory]

Would you feel away if you heard. Because we're all cool with. With Auto Tune and effects. Like, that's been around. I love 808 and heartbreaks. Plenty of artists from then on, their entire voice and style is not theirs.

[Mal]

It's.

[Rory]

It's a complete version of early AI with effects on your voice. If you heard all the demos without their settings on it, would you also feel the same way like, this isn't real, bro. Like, even though you went in the booth and did this, this sounds completely fucking different.

[Mal]

No, I mean, it's with the AI Program shit.

[Rory]

Now that Robbie and them have, I could go into a booth and they could easily make me sound amazing.

[Mal]

Oh, no, I get that. But at least if you heard me.

[Rory]

Singing it, the real demo shit, you'd be like this. I can't believe you. This.

[Mal]

No, listen, this is fake. Nah, I get it. But again, that's. To me, that's where it stops. It should be like, all right, at least you really was in there. And really, you know, it was not.

[Rory]

The days where T. Pain, who definitely turned the tune all the way up and made his own style out of it. T. Pain could always sing no matter what.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

It was just a style in a cool, innovative way. That's not the case anymore. These people's entire. If there's not a setting on that, they would not be an artist. It would not exist at all. How creative are you really being? I mean, if you wrote it, great. But there's people that have that and don't write it. To me, that's the same. Same as AI at that point.

[Mal]

I don't know. All right, so, Rory, would you get on the flight? And there wasn't no pilots in the cockpit. It was just all like, it may.

[Rory]

Happen eventually if I live that long.

[Mal]

I'm not getting on no flight with no fucking pilots in the cockpit, man. I'm not doing that. That. I, I, I wouldn't even get into Uber if it pulled up and it was just order, like one of those.

[Rory]

Last time I was in la, every corner I was at, it was a empty car. I was terrified every time, just driving around.

[Mal]

I'm not getting in that. I'm not. I'm not doing it.

[Damaris]

Well, that's a safety issue, though. That's not a.

[Mal]

This is a safety issue. The music is at stake here. The art is at stake here. The art is in danger. We're in danger of losing this art form. We are not.

[Damaris]

We are not in danger of losing.

[Mal]

Yes, we are. If an artist like Kanye puts out a successful AI album, everything changes after that.

[Rory]

It does validate and co sign. Let's act. We all know Kanye's had a rough couple years, and his perception to a lot of people is different now. But let's not act like Kanye West Co signing AI would not validate it.

[Mal]

Of course it would.

[Rory]

It would.

[Mal]

It would change everything. It would, because everybody's gonna be like, well, Shit, yeah, he did it. Fuck it. I'm gonna do it. That joint was crazy. His album was crazy. Fuck it. I don't have to do this. I don't have to sit in the studio for months. Cause now labels gonna like, yo, we don't gotta spend that much money on studio time, you know, marketing. Like, we could just get this thing going, you know, put a couple visuals to it.

[Rory]

What's. What's funny is I don't even think it's Kanye validating. I think behind the scenes, Kanye found out that a lot of these artists are doing that. And he said, oh, really? I think he's been validated by other artists that have came to him and said, bro, this entire shit as they are. So y'all doing that.

[Mal]

It's crazy, man. But listen, just remember I said, man, this shit is at. We talking about some D. Technology is great, but it can also fuck up a lot of great things. Like, we gotta keep that in perspective. And when we start talking about the art form of creating music, writing music, singing, rapping, when you start putting too much of that cut into the game.

[Damaris]

But the real shit will always. The cream will always rise to the top. Like, we had that conversation before.

[Mal]

Yeah, but if the nigga that's the top of the cream, if he's the creme de la creme, if he's doing.

[Damaris]

It, but he's not the creme de la creme.

[Mal]

Kanye.

[Damaris]

No, when it comes to talent, Kanye is not the creme de la creme of people who can sing and people who can. I'm talking about people who have artistry.

[Mal]

I'm talking about artistry. He's the top of the top.

[Damaris]

No, but he's not. Because Kanye always had writers, or some of his best music had writers on it, and he can't really sing. So, no, he. When it comes to singing, some of.

[Mal]

The best artists in the world have writers. That don't mean.

[Damaris]

Yes, but okay, when we're talking about rapping, you can't say that you're the creme de la. But Kanye, when your best raps were not written by you and your best rapper.

[Mal]

I don't look at Kanye as a rapper, though. Kanye, to me, is an artist.

[Damaris]

Okay, so. But what I'm talking about is when we're talking about music, the actual music, people who can still. People who can still stick, who can actually sing will still sing. People who can actually rap and write will still do that. So, yes, you're going to get a bunch of people who are good at Bullshitting. And I'm not saying Kanye is good at bullshitting, but you're going to get a bunch of these little rappers or little artists who are good at bullshitting. Year they're going to do the AI but people who really are artists and musicians, they're still going to do the real thing. So when it's not going to completely erase the people who know how to sing and know how to rap.

[Rory]

Yeah, but the Kanye west is a musician. And he also has written before. Let's not like completely take just because.

[Damaris]

He has written books before.

[Rory]

He does what producers down to Quincy Jones have done. You're a producer, you're not a beat maker. You're a producer. You're arranging everything that's happening. It's your vision. This is what you want. You're getting other people that are better at trumpet than you to do it. I don't think that takes away. I also think he's written great raps before all by himself. Let's not say that Kanye is now all of a sudden not really a rapper like that, that he's had help. Which is fine because Tom's point, I view him as an artist. Like if we were doing a top five top ten best rappers of all time, I'm not putting Kanye west there because again, he's definitely had some help. But if we're talking top five top ten rap artists of all time, Kanye might be number one.

[Mal]

I.

[Rory]

But he's still, he still writes. Like, let's not.

[Mal]

Yeah, he definitely still writes. But I mean, but I understand what the Maris is saying, but I think that those writers, they stand to lose, like the opportunity to be able to write some hit records. If it's like, okay, we don't need to bring in writers. We put this through some type of system, you know, and it's like it gives us. It writes a complete song. Now the writers are at. The real writers are at risk of not even being hired to write on songs and projects anymore. Cause they're not needed to an extent.

[Damaris]

But I think they'll always still be needed. Cause ChatGPT, it can write for you, but it can't. It's not a human being. So it can't convey the emotion. That really, really good song songs that our grandparents sung that we sung yet. And it might not ever happen though, because it's going into a computer formula or a computer algorithm and sometimes that can't pump out what a human can pump out.

[Rory]

But I mean, that's what a lot of people felt when auto Tune completely took over that there is no real feeling, even though it's coming from a human being. Like, granted, I hear emotion in Travis Scott's music for sure, but it is so diluted in effects that I don't know if I'd be able to tell the difference. If Chat, GPT or AI did a Travis Scott record. Yeah, it's emotion, but it's printed with so much shit that I don't know if I'd know the difference. Because there is already so much technology on his voice to begin with. I don't know if I know the difference. That's why I don't from them. Like, it is what it is is.

[Mal]

I'm never supporting a full AI album. Never.

[Rory]

Do you think Baby had any AI on on his album?

[Mal]

I didn't listen to this album.

[Rory]

I was listening for it. I think it's going to be the new standard. And Baby, who, even when he's rapping, rapping, has a crazy effect on his voice at all times. I could see it happening.

[Mal]

I didn't listen to the album and, you know, based on just what I'm seeing, people say I'm not in a rush to listen to it either. I didn't see anybody say they liked it. I didn't see anybody saying they enjoyed it. I'm actually seeing people, you know, saying they, you know, they think that it's over for Lil Baby again. This is, you know, one of the dudes that I like. But I have not listened to this album yet.

[Rory]

Truthfully, it was tough for me to even get. I couldn't fully get through it. But what is it? I'm not the one that's running to Baby's music to begin with. But obviously, outside of just having a potential, Baby is still one of the bigger rappers. And, you know, the whole world said, we're in the Baby era and this is the next Jay Z and all that. I like, like My Turn. I like that Baby album a lot. I haven't liked stuff on It's Only Me. I felt like this was a super important album for Lil Baby because rightfully so. Not on some hating shit. It has been quieter for Baby than the last five years, 2020 to 2022. Baby had it.

[Mal]

I think that's why I didn't listen to it yet, because I'm scared that if I listen to it, it I'm gonna feel like it might be over.

[Rory]

I don't think he delivered for how important this moment was with everyone saying it's been a little bit quiet, even the rollout didn't even feel that QC esque. They're great at that. Yeah, it was the Charlemagne joint which ended up getting taken down like it was. It was a very quiet rollout too for somebody that needed a very loud one. Because no matter what, even if you feel like Baby is falling off, he's still low. Baby solidified from this era. Etc. We are stopping what we're doing to make sure we can hear a little Baby album. What is this was important.

[Damaris]

What is the single?

[Rory]

That's a great question. I mean, that's what.

[Damaris]

And I'm asking because I haven't heard any.

[Mal]

I think. I think I've seen a joint with him. Future and Dumb.

[Rory]

Dumb and Dumber.

[Mal]

Doug. Is it Doug?

[Rory]

No, it's Baby. Young Thug and Future.

[Mal]

Baby. Young Thug and Future. Okay.

[Rory]

Glorilla's on it. I'm mad at that record.

[Damaris]

Oh, that was supposed to be the single.

[Rory]

The Glorilla one actually say Twin was the one that like Kai was like, yo, who put this on a whiteboard? I felt for Baby, but again, I mean, people are allowed to critique your music. It's art. When the Kai age group is not feeling the Baby, it's fine if I don't like a Baby album. I'm not. Even though I do like his music, I'm not the. The main that he's trying to get.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

When Kai is giving, which I respect, honest feedback to something, that's where I would start to feel a little worried if I'm QC or if I'm on Baby's team. Like when you're not getting the group that this is intended for, that's a problem. If you don't always get me and my age group, you'll survive, but you'll really sell the most. Like with my turn, he got my age group and the younger ones, if you're not getting either. Yeah. Somebody needed to sit with him and say, is this the return album that we really need?

[Mal]

Is it the same? Is Lil Baby maybe. Is his issue the same that I feel like the Baby's issue is it's just the growth in the music. Yeah, the growth in the music. The growth as a writer, as an artist. Switching up your content, switching up your flow, kind of like, you know, experimenting with another type of.

[Rory]

I think BPM.

[Damaris]

I think DaBaby actually would have went a little bit farther if he didn't piss off a lot of his fan base with his antics.

[Mal]

Dababy or Lil Baby?

[Damaris]

Da Baby, I think he would have went. Actually went farther Than Lil Baby. Cause Dababy still catches one every once in a while.

[Rory]

Yeah. I think there's some people that might.

[Mal]

Say Dababy is a bigger artist than Lil Baby.

[Damaris]

I think he had the potential to be.

[Rory]

Yeah. And let's not act like Dababy. Whatever summer that was or year that was when he was rapping with me.

[Mal]

That rockstar record is probably bigger than, than any Lil Baby record. Right.

[Rory]

I think that the baby. I think DaBaby has three records that are probably bigger than any Lil Baby record. That's hard.

[Mal]

Some people might feel like Dababy is a bigger artist now. He went to, he had a bigger moment.

[Rory]

I think Lil Baby is a little bit more longevity in his career. But yeah, I think a lot of people would say if you go numbers wise, Dababy has definitely had bigger moments than Lil Baby. For sure. I just think artists to y'all point of is there are no growth in the music. A lot of the artists like Lil Baby that do rap on the same type of sound and the same type of pocket are finally seeing that that can't last very long. I get why they never shift. I get why they didn't shift for the last few years. Because it's, it seemed like, all right, people still like the same. They still like the same shit. Now I think they're finally seeing. And I don't think it's just Lil Baby that if you don't change your sound, it's going to pass you by. They weren't before because it was working.

[Mal]

Jadakiss ain't never changed his sound. He ain't never changed his flow.

[Rory]

He like, that's no, see, I, I.

[Damaris]

I don't really agree there. Jadakiss has changed his flow a little, but he also was in a different era too, though.

[Mal]

Mom, Jadakiss gonna hit that fade away every single time and you can't stop. It's the same flow and we love it it every time we hear. All right.

[Rory]

Float Baby, I feel like has the same drums for the last five years. Kiss from We Are the Street.

[Mal]

So you talking about music?

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mal]

Okay. That's different. That's different than.

[Rory]

That's what I'm saying. A lot of these, these younger artists that have gotten into that new version of the trap pocket and trap drums are seeing the effects that it ends up being the same fucking thing. That's why I think Metro and I know Apples and Oranges because he's a producer, but we have seen Metro skyrocket because he has shown versatility in his sound and has changed it a bit. A lot of these artists are just going back to the exact same. Yo, this was a hit in 2020, 2022, 2023. I'm just gonna. Yo, let's just do that again. Because they don't really. Because they were not going to be rappers to begin with until they found out they could make money off it. They don't really have a real understanding of being a fucking musician, even if they don't play instruments to get in there. And have Fat Joe's career survived this fucking long? Not because Fat Joe is an amazing rapper. Because Fat Joe is an amazing beat picker. That's why Kiss, we are the streets. Money, power, respect. Sounds nothing like Kiss of Death or Kiss the Game Goodbye. Okay, Kiss, yes. Same flow. A lot of times saying the same shit and we love it, but it's on different production. Kiss is going to go do some girl records. He's going to do some grimy hood shit. Kiss is always delivering in every single pillar of hip hop when it comes to production and audience. I don't think these young artists do that the way that Kiss and rappers from my era did.

[Mal]

Okay, so now we get into another conversation of a lot of these young artists are not really artists.

[Rory]

Oh, I agree. I mean, that goes well.

[Mal]

And I think that's what we're starting to see. It's a, it's a. It's a shorter shelf life on a lot of these quote unquote artists because they're not really artists. They caught a record, they caught a viral moment, took off with that, tried to sustain it. And then after a while you realize, like, I don't know if this person is really the artist that we may think he or she is.

[Rory]

And outside of certain producers like Metro, Conductor, whatever you want to say, the bigger producers are. I feel like these artists don't even try to go to new producers. Whatever in house team is doing the exact same shit. They just follow too. They have no real opinion of the song. They say, all right, this is what you like. All right, I'll rap on this the same way I've been rapping for five years.

[Mal]

Another thing we don't talk about enough, Rory, is the lifespan of a rapper. Not. Not real life, but like, artist life is not really that long.

[Damaris]

No, never has been.

[Rory]

Actually. Baby is a veteran now.

[Mal]

Yeah. So like, we need. It's. It'd be that too. Sometimes where it's like, yo, you know, a lot of rappers, they're, you know, careers are not that long. Like, you might get two, maybe three albums. You know what I'm saying? And then it's like you don't even know where this rapper or this artist is anymore after that. Unless they parlay it into something else. They move it into a business or they get into. Maybe now they're streaming, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm seeing guys like, what's my man first day out?

[Rory]

T Grizzly.

[Mal]

T Grizzly, he on gta, going crazy.

[Rory]

Making a lot of money.

[Mal]

Money. You see what I'm saying?

[Damaris]

Rapping, though. T Grizzly is still rapping when he want to.

[Mal]

When he want to. But it ain't like he ain't gotta go in there and put an album out. No, it's like if he. If GTA be like, yo, we're gonna put your new single in the server. Like, all right, I'm gonna go lay that down tonight. If you're gonna put in the game.

[Rory]

No, I feel you.

[Mal]

If I could be able to be in my car in the game, playing my. I bet. But that's. We don't. We gotta start talking to the fact that most rappers, they Shelf life is not really that long in rap.

[Rory]

And I mean, to that point, I want to get. Give, Baby. I don't want to make this sound like we just. On baby. I give him a lot of pass. 2017, I mean, drip Harder is, I think, when he really, really crossed over. But 2017 to 2025 in this era.

[Mal]

Is an insane, amazing.

[Rory]

Eight years is incredible. Crazy incredible. And at one point was dominating within those eight years. So I'm not here to take away anything Baby has done with his run. I just think this was an important album to what the second half of his career is. And I just don't know if they took it as serious as I thought they would think.

[Mal]

There's troubles in the water with qc, maybe.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Qc. There was a. At one point, QC was. Was dominating and going crazy, and they were everywhere. And I don't know whether that was just because the City Girls and Lil Baby and the Migos at the time were holding it up. Yeah. Cardi wasn't qc, though.

[Rory]

She was managed by qc.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah, she was.

[Rory]

She was managed by QC for sure.

[Damaris]

For a little while. Yeah. So I. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. It's been quiet. And I don't mean quiet as in, like, they don't. They're. I just don't hear anything from them. They were everywhere, and now they're nowhere.

[Rory]

To mal's point too though. Like this is just the lifespan. We can't really discredit them because at one point you could say QC was by far a modern day bad boy. Death Row, no limit cash money. Like yeah, they were that. If you go through their roster at one time and at a block of 5 plus years, QC was completely dominant. Yeah, but how long can that even last? Like Nelly went diamond. But the run has to end.

[Mal]

It ends.

[Rory]

It just ends.

[Mal]

A rapper's career is really not that long.

[Rory]

But this is all right. Yachty from that crew in that that era I've been critical and there's a bunch of Yachty music even lately that I'm not really a fan of whatsoever. But why Yachty has continued to last is that he completely changes his sound every year. Like he's one of the few from that era that I think gets it. Even if I don't like that taste of music, there's plenty of people that do.

[Mal]

He.

[Rory]

We don't think Yachty skipped a step at this point. Yachty might be more relevant than he's ever been and it's because he continually changes his sound. Yeah, but he's and puts out music that we would not expect. He's doing boom bap shit with Cole. He's doing fucking James Blake shit. He's doing child drums. He's doing everything thing. Child drums kept him so. But he also. He still has records that sound like broccoli. Like he. That's what I think Baby kind of needed. The only person that is still extremely relevant off their sound is Gunna. I like the last gun of project but it wasn't like light gear is different than another gun of project. He's one of the few that I think is still reinventing the wheel deal and it's still working. But I don't know how long that's going to work for Gunna either.

[Mal]

Can you pull up the Lil Baby track list again?

[Damaris]

Yeah, I got you.

[Mal]

I think that one thing I would like to see Lil Baby do because I do think that little Baby can rap. Yeah, I would like to see him rap with the rappers.

[Rory]

I agree with you.

[Mal]

Like I would like to see Lil Baby and.

[Damaris]

And Jada because Drake pulled the best out of Lil Baby. What I saw is the best from Lil Baby. Drake pulled it out of him.

[Rory]

Yeah. At that point. What was that? It was off of episode. What?

[Damaris]

Yeah, that was like a scary hours. Yeah, yeah, it was scary hours at.

[Rory]

That point when Baby had the best verse. I understood the hype when people Were like, we're in the low Baby era when he was rapping at that point.

[Damaris]

I was like, whatever Pocket that was he.

[Rory]

Yeah, y'all are correct. And he was talking on that.

[Mal]

Yeah, I would like to see little Baby, Lil Baby do more features with the rappers. I would like to see him do that. Like, let me just see what that. Let me just give me a more of that so I can do.

[Damaris]

Who do you consider the rappers?

[Mal]

I mean, Jada Fab, he's rap with Cole.

[Rory]

He was on one of Cole's albums. Like Baby does rap.

[Mal]

I'm saying I would like to see more of that.

[Rory]

And I think this could be like.

[Mal]

Why not have a Cole feature on this album?

[Damaris]

Well, I.

[Mal]

Why not have a Wale feature on this album? Why not have a Jada feature on this album? Why not have. You know what I mean, a Benny A Conway. Like, you know, the guys that really going in, you know, from the same element, the streets that could really talk that. That talk that you be talking like but on a different level. Like the upper echelon of the street talk.

[Rory]

And maybe not even that. Maybe just somebody from his like jig both from Atlanta, you know what I mean?

[Damaris]

I was gonna say.

[Mal]

I can see that too because I.

[Damaris]

Get what you're saying. But that might interfere with the Atlanta sound that Baby has. That's why Jid makes more sense.

[Rory]

Look at who we never would have probably guessed would surpass everyone. 21 Savage. 21 Savage raps with the rappers. He raps with the non lyrical guys. He makes a bunch of different sounding music.

[Damaris]

True.

[Rory]

And that's why 21 to me is where he's at. Because he's continued. He'll rap with anybody. He won't sound great. He raped with Nas and sounded fine. Some of the best music I think Cole has made in the last 10 years has been with 21 Savage. Yeah, he brings the best out of 21. 21 kept up with Drake like. Like he is not scared to get in the booth. He has a different style lyrically, but it doesn't. It doesn't feel like you're listening to someone that's less of a caliber when he raps the rappers. And I think Baby definitely has the talent to do the same thing.

[Mal]

Who do. I would. I just would like to know like who these dudes be in the studios with.

[Rory]

Hoes like who be.

[Mal]

Those are the. Those are the best A and R's right there. But like who do. Who do? Like somebody a little bit. Like what does a session a Little baby session look like. Like who's in there?

[Rory]

I don't think it's probably as, at this point in his career as crazy as you might think.

[Mal]

No, I'm not saying I wanna know. Like, who's the trusted brain in the room, the trusted ear in the room that's there for every song, you know what I mean? Like, who's doing that with Lil Baby? Because again, I think that Lil Baby can really rap. I just don't know what his, who's his, you know, who's his circle of, you know, if they think it's crazy, if they think it's hard, like that's going on the album. Like, who's that circle?

[Rory]

Yeah. And I mean that's is something that I feel like casual fans, rightfully so, never bring up in their brand. Like there's some artists that still would have made it and still would have been great, but a lot of why they have lasted so long is because of the people they have around them. Like, not everyone is blessed with a 40, right? Not everyone is blessed with a sound wave. These are people that are 50, 50 partners on how we're making this fucking music.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

And, and you know, a lot of rappers that come from certain environments aren't blessed to just have their friends, didn't have the opportunities to even get to a point that they, they could do something like that. So yeah, they don't have anyone around them that is really guiding their production.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

It's just the homies that are like, yo, that, that shit is hot. And their homies have been right a lot because they understand what's actually playing in the street at the time. But that is not a, I guess a long lasting strategy. Like you do need other people in there.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So, but speaking of Gunna, his lawyer came back out because, you know, a lot of people saw that Thug was on Baby's album. There's obviously been some not bad thing.

[Mal]

Forth Thug posted something. Don't, don't associate with no rats or something like that.

[Rory]

That was the post. That was a fake tweet, I think. Oh, no one could really find the source of that tweet. I think that was all Photoshop. But of course it got brought back up when they saw that that Thug was on Baby's album. And you know, Baby unfollowed Gunna. And there's clearly not a relationship there anymore. And his attorney posted an entire, I wouldn't even call it a caption. Was this on Twitter?

[Damaris]

Yeah, on Twitter, his lawyer, which I.

[Rory]

Didn'T Catch his name. But I was Gunna's attorney but I am not speaking on his behalf. This is a long post solely to set out the truth. Gunna did not cooperate and did nothing and said nothing to cause harm to Thug's case. He spent eight months in jail and was released December 2022 after entering a plea. Gunnis plea could not and was not used in Thug's trial and he was never even named as a witness. He received a five year suspended sentence with no reporting, no travel restrictions, no living restrictions and no probation over the last two years. From media reports, he has performed all over the world, achieved international fame and recognition, earned millions of dollars. Thug went on to trial and eventually pled guilty after spending 30 months in jail, received 15 years probation with reporting conditions and is not even allowed to live in Atlanta. Those that have and continue to badmouth gonna get over it. I ain't like the end, nuff said. Because I just know the lawyer never said that.

[Mal]

But the lawyer might have said that, you know what I mean? He might have said enough said. I'm not, I'm done talking. That's it.

[Rory]

I mean I'm not the gauge of what's snitching and what isn't in the streets, but I feel what the lawyer's saying.

[Mal]

Yeah, I mean I get it.

[Rory]

There's a code and no matter what, if you say anything about anyone, you're a snitch. And I understand that. But let's get into reality of a young rapper that Gunna has even said he's not really like that guy that was at the height of his career. Millions and millions of dollars at stake, family at stake. You're an artist. You're not really a street guy if you know no one is going to be harmed. You're you saying that YSL is a gang that can't be used in your co defendant's trial? What are we doing here again? Like what? What? Like what are we doing?

[Mal]

I've always stood on the side of whatever Thug said. If Thug come out and say Gunnar ratted on him, then we gotta take that to be a fact. If Thug never said that, then you know, maybe he's not. But.

[Rory]

All right, let me ask you because you understand that side of the world way more than I do. I'm just assuming. But I can safely assume that in Thug taking a plea as well there was some admission that YSL was a gang.

[Mal]

Well yeah, it would have been. Yeah.

[Rory]

So what are we talking about here?

[Mal]

Yeah, but then, but at the time, if I'm standing on. YSL is not a gang. And then you, Rory, go up there and be like, yo, no, YSL is a gang.

[Rory]

New Rory Mall is a gang.

[Mal]

You know what I'm saying? And I'm saying we not. And you on, on, on, on in court saying, no, it is. You know, then take from that what you will. But, I mean, at the end of the day, both gentlemen are home. Gunna has no restrictions. Thug has some restrictions because obviously he was facing more. So even though it was a rico, I think his. His, you know, his name was indicated in more activity in ysl, more street activity in YSL than Gunners was. But I'm. Again, I'm still on the side. If Thug say Gunna, he didn't snitch, then that's what it is. If Thug say gonna dis snitch, then that's what it is. I mean, everything else is speculation, you know, I know Little baby was on. Was sitting down with Charlemagne, I think, and he spoke. He touched on that. Spoke about that and said how he felt. Listen, you know, feel how you feel. But again, I. I'm waiting for a definitive Thug statement on whether or not he feels Gunna is good or no good.

[Rory]

Do we think Thug has purposely.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Done that?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah, I agree with you, too. I. Because we can all say that.

[Mal]

It would benefit people.

[Rory]

It was a smart guy.

[Mal]

It would benefit Thug for people to. With Gunner. No, that is his artist. Correct.

[Rory]

Greed. But has there been more attention and controversy around. They're not actually being a statement. Like, no one's really moved on because Thug has not said anything.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

I agree with you. That's his artist. And if his artist is looked upon not as a snitch, it's probably a good business move.

[Mal]

Right?

[Rory]

But I think. I think we'll find that out around the time Thug puts a project out when Gunna ends up being on. On that album.

[Mal]

I don't know.

[Rory]

But then if you're. If your baby now, what do you do?

[Mal]

I mean, he said he ain't. He said he stood his baby standing on it. He stood ten toes. They are. I'm not, you know, I'm not. I'm not with him.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

He said it ain't no relationship there, right? It ain't no relationship. All right, so then it is what it is.

[Rory]

If. If I brought a gun into the studio and it happened to go off in my jeans, would you put the footage out slash tell on me?

[Mal]

Nah, it's not my pedigree, dog. That footage would never See the light of day. No. To answer your question, no, I would not put the footage out.

[Rory]

No, I would not put the footage out, nor would I tell on you. But we'd have to have a stern talking to about you bringing firearms.

[Mal]

Yeah, we going to have a talk.

[Rory]

And now I know you don't know how to handle one, so don't bring it to. If you want that in your crib.

[Mal]

We going to have. We would have a conversation, but the. The. The. The public wouldn't know about the conversation and what happened. No, absolutely not.

[Rory]

Not for those that. That don't know, they know. What. What was the name of this gentleman?

[Mal]

I'm.

[Rory]

I'm sorry that I'm not up. Rapper Too Low was doing a podcast and went into his pocket. Clearly he had a firearm in there. It discharged in his pants. Luckily, no one was hit. He wasn't even hit. He didn't plax go himself, but dog. What? Like, come on.

[Damaris]

How stupid. No, let's just, like, let's really be honest here. And this is why I be wanting guns to be legal, so that people can learn how to use them the right way. Why do you have on them jeans that will fit a toddler in two sitting up there reaching in your pocket with a gun that's off safety at a podcast? That ain't even your fucking podcast.

[Rory]

I mean, he was nervous. He had to keep it on him.

[Mal]

I just feel like if I have to do a podcast with the gun in my pocket, like, where am I at? Like, I just don't need to be going to do this podcast.

[Damaris]

Well, but you at no Jumper.

[Mal]

Yeah. Like, I just don't listen.

[Rory]

Not that we're going to no Jumper, but if we were to ever hypothetically go back to no Jumper, I'm bringing a gun.

[Mal]

Why?

[Rory]

I'm. I'm petrified. They're beating up pastors. You think they. They.

[Mal]

Yeah, he has security, though. Security and stuff.

[Rory]

They keep my white ass safe. No, they're beating up men of God. I'm definitely food over there.

[Damaris]

And they.

[Mal]

Are you talking about men of God getting knocked out at no jump?

[Rory]

They are definitely even a red mark.

[Mal]

Damn, Adam, what are you doing?

[Damaris]

They kept just like podcasting, like, get the out my studio, dog.

[Mal]

Your show's over.

[Damaris]

Get the fuck out myself.

[Mal]

We ain't got to talk about nothing that's that important after that.

[Rory]

Okay, well, I will say I've been around people that podcasted that were used to always carrying a gun with them because of their former slash current life. And I Didn't think it was that weird.

[Mal]

Yeah, but if I'm, I'm not, I don't have it in my pocket right here on set.

[Damaris]

Not on safety.

[Mal]

Not on set. Like my man that's over there with me, he got it. You know, we good. Like it's still, and it's still in arm's reach. But like, I don't need to be like this on set, reaching in my pocket. It's not on safety. I just don't, I don't got that. Thankfully I don't have those type of issues.

[Rory]

Yeah, but there were a lot of people, like, especially when podcasting first started, that were from an environment that they always carried a gun. Just cause we're podcasting now doesn't change.

[Mal]

No, carrying a gun is cool.

[Rory]

When I walk out of here.

[Mal]

No, carrying a gun is cool. But if we sitting here just to do a podcast and kick it, like, it don't need to be in my pocket. Not on safety. Like, I just don't, I don't, I just don't understand that part of it. Now. Walking outside and moving around in your day to day, some people have to. You know what I mean? And I understand that. But once you in a certain environment where it's like, it's cool in here, we not on that type of.

[Damaris]

And there's staff in the room. Let me tell you something. Bess would have had a motherfucking gun in his tight ass jeans and shot at my fucking ankle. You know how mad I'd have been.

[Rory]

See, but that's why Best don't carry a firearm.

[Mal]

No, well, Bess would never wear tight jeans either. See, that's the part y'all not getting to like. Y'all gotta get to that when it come to Bess, like.

[Rory]

And first of all, it's not all, all Albanians from Brooklyn are carrying guns. Bess is a tax paying citizen.

[Damaris]

I don't give a if it was Elliot.

[Mal]

He's from the Bronx.

[Rory]

He's from East New York and the Bronx called Best.

[Mal]

And ask him where he from.

[Rory]

Beach Channel High school. He's from Queens too.

[Damaris]

Can we have Best back? I really liked Best.

[Rory]

Love Best. Yeah, we could definitely have Best back. But of course Best would follow, you know, the laws of New York City.

[Mal]

Oh yeah, law. Law abiding citizens.

[Rory]

I would not even know how to explain to Damaris's parents or PJ's parents that when we were podding and a gun went off and they got p.

[Mal]

Got hit in the leg. That's craziness.

[Rory]

That is nuts. But, I mean, I'm glad no one was hurt. But also putting that out, like, we're acting like the cops are not on watching podcasts.

[Mal]

Yeah. But depending on what state or city they're in, that's probably legal to carry firearms, so it doesn't matter.

[Rory]

But like a.22 and had to be a.22 in them tight ass streams.

[Mal]

That wasn't no.22. That was. That was. That was at least a Glock or something like that. For sure.

[Damaris]

Idiot. That really pissed me off when Rory sent that to me. Because just as production, I'm like, yo, that was aimed at, like, me. Like, that's all I'm thinking about.

[Mal]

Like, no, that somebody could have. That could have hit somebody.

[Damaris]

That. Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

And don't do that because that's leg level.

[Mal]

That's like right here. So it's like.

[Rory]

I'm shocked you didn't shoot himself.

[Mal]

Yeah, that could have changed.

[Damaris]

Ooh, my bad.

[Mal]

Yeah. Cause he thought he was hit. He was waiting to feel that shit burning.

[Rory]

The other host said, who got shot? That was the wildest. Yo, who got shot? Like, what?

[Mal]

Yeah. Cause everybody started moving behind the camera probably so, you know, you waiting to see somebody. Like, damn, did anybody get hit? That's lawsuit on their hands. But thankfully nobody was hit.

[Rory]

Yeah. And I mean, you guys were fascinated with the fake guns in my house house when we were recording there.

[Damaris]

I was not fascinated.

[Rory]

They were also. None of them were loaded too. That was the other thing. The. Are you doing?

[Mal]

I was gonna say something, but I'm not gonna say thank you.

[Rory]

It's fine.

[Damaris]

Thank you.

[Mal]

I'm chilling 2025. I'm chilling all 2025.

[Damaris]

No, you not. I don't even know how to promise you.

[Mal]

I promise y'all. I'm. Well, tell me when I ain't chilling. I've been chill the first two episodes.

[Rory]

Back after Super Bowl. I don't think you're going to be chilling.

[Mal]

I'm going to be chill, man. I might even go to the Super Bowl. That's how chill I am.

[Rory]

Yeah, I was actually. I'm going to probably go to New Orleans and I'm booking my flight either Monday at 5am or Sunday, the latest flight, just to make sure I can get back here to record with you after that performance.

[Mal]

Yeah, I might go to the super bowl. Depending on who's playing.

[Damaris]

We should record in New Orleans.

[Rory]

I'm down. I. I had said to you if. Yeah, I mean, we needed to. I would be down to do it.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Ironically, the flights are not. I went and looked yesterday. The flights are not as crazy as I thought they were.

[Mal]

Oh, and after the tragic tragedy last week, they even lowered cheaper. Now I'm just. Listen, man, you know, it is what it is. I didn't. I had nothing to do with it. I'm just telling you what it is.

[Damaris]

We didn't think you did, babe.

[Mal]

I'm just saying flights are cheaper.

[Rory]

Congestion pricing in New Orleans solve everything.

[Mal]

Yeah, that gentleman wouldn't have paid a toll to go run over people.

[Rory]

Hurricane's still gonna hit, too.

[Mal]

Sorry, baby. D, do we have voicemails?

[Damaris]

Yes, you do.

[Mal]

You've got mail.

[Rory]

Yo, what's up, pod? Can y'all please help me with this situation, because I'm truly puzzled.

[Mal]

All right.

[Rory]

So me and my sister have been debating on whether it's okay for a woman to approach a man. She says no.

[Damaris]

No matter the circumstance, the environment, the.

[Rory]

Situation, a woman should never approach a man. And I think the opposite. There's a saying, there's plenty of fish in the sea, but how do you expect to catch a fish if you never go fishing?

[Mal]

Facts. Why she sound like she reading from Zayn's sex chronicles?

[Damaris]

She might have written down what she wanted to say, which.

[Mal]

AI, see, that's not even a real person. You see how it feels different than marriage.

[Damaris]

I appreciate that more than people calling in and saying, yeah. Cause. And repeating themselves. I actually appreciate what she did.

[Mal]

So that was the end of it.

[Damaris]

She goes on to. That was the end of it. Yes. She wants to know, is it okay for women to approach a man? Or, of course, man.

[Rory]

Where we at these days? Yes, that's totally fine. Women should shoot their shit.

[Mal]

In fact, I prefer it.

[Damaris]

In fact.

[Mal]

Cause like I said, I'm not gonna be at nobody's podium to my. You was too aggressive. This, that, and the third.

[Rory]

Like, listen, it does bring some relief in how you can fly flirt. If they pop it off first.

[Mal]

Yeah. Like, if you have a woman approach you and, you know, you could tell she's, you know, sizing you up, eyeing you and all that, she opening that door for that flirtatious energy. That's for a guy like myself. I appreciate that. I welcome that.

[Damaris]

And y'all are open to wife and women. Who slid on you first?

[Rory]

Absolutely.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Okay. You don't take that as thirsty?

[Mal]

No.

[Damaris]

Or like, you're the prize?

[Mal]

No, I don't look at myself like a prize. I'm just saying, I. I like when a woman is aggressive because, again, it says something about that woman. It's like, okay, she's knows what she wants. Not only does she know what she wants, she obviously sees something in me. She's interested. She wants to talk. Yes. I'm opening up this conversation for a different type of energy. It doesn't have to be a casual conversation, but yeah, I'm feeling you. I like you. Your know, what's your situation? Are you single? I. I like that. I like when women open up that, that door for that conversation and you're.

[Damaris]

Willing to still pursue them even after they do that. Because. So my fear with that is because I've always been like super confident and aggressive. But what I've learned or what I've experienced is that sometimes when you do that, even if a guy does like you, the, the courting or the, the game that men play, the chase. Because men do love chase, some more than others, but men do love the chase. They're not as involved in that chase or feel like they have to court as much because you've already shown that you're interested. Now, me personally, I can come at you, but if you don't, if you don't do what you're supposed to do, I'll back the up. I don't give a who you are.

[Mal]

Yeah, you'll open the door. Yeah, he has to take it from there.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I can hand you the basket, but you got to shoot that a couple times.

[Mal]

Basket is crazy. You gonna take the whole hoop down, huh?

[Damaris]

Yeah, I'll hand you the basket, the ball, all that.

[Mal]

But baby D gonna take the whole hoop down and just give it to you like, hey, n. Play ball.

[Damaris]

You still gotta play ball.

[Rory]

She put the water in the base of the.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah, she gonna do all that. Look, I set up the court, nigga go out there and hoop, nigga. Shit.

[Damaris]

But what I've seen is that a lot of people won't do that to the extent because it's kind of like the chase factor is not there for them. So that's what I'm asking for you guys.

[Rory]

What I think, I think a lot more women would do it. You know how women say men are usually jaded cause they got their heart broke in like sixth grade and still are not over it? I think women would like to shoot their shot, but one time in their life they had the courage to do it and it didn't go the route they wanted to, and now they'll never do it. Because women don't handle rejection well at all.

[Damaris]

No.

[Mal]

I saw a woman post the other day that I'm still mad at Chrissy for what? She. For proposing the gym. And I was like, damn. Yeah. Y'all still mad about that? Why? She wanted to propose to her man. See, what was the. What's the problem with that, baby?

[Damaris]

You know what the. The problem is?

[Rory]

I don't.

[Mal]

She was ready to get married, and Jim wasn't moving fast enough.

[Rory]

Feminism and. Yeah.

[Damaris]

Cause he ain't want to get married. They still ain't married, is they?

[Mal]

I mean, you know, it might be waiting for the right budget. I don't know.

[Damaris]

Like, I don't know how much he making off them. Off them tapes he releasing. The budget is there.

[Mal]

I mean, I just don't.

[Rory]

Jim is far from. Far from broke.

[Mal]

No, no. I'm just saying. No. Maybe they want VH1 to, you know, put it together.

[Damaris]

They would have. VH1 would have.

[Mal]

Yeah. I don't know. I just.

[Rory]

Wasn't there rumors. And I start. Because I really don't know. Wasn't there rumors recently that they weren't together?

[Damaris]

It was rumors that he was married to Brooke Bailey.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's. That's.

[Damaris]

I don't know if that ever got confirmed.

[Mal]

That was.

[Rory]

So I didn't look into it.

[Mal]

Yeah, no, that was. That was not true. That was false. But, yeah, I do. I do appreciate a woman now. There's levels to aggression, though. Like, you can't walk up to me and tell me, yo, pull your shit out. Like, let me see how big it.

[Damaris]

Like, nah, that's wild.

[Mal]

No, you see what I'm saying? But women do that, though.

[Rory]

They definitely do that.

[Damaris]

They do.

[Mal]

You know what I'm saying? Like, so it's like. That is like, whoa. Like, you know what I'm saying? But. But I think it's kind of fly when. Cause I say, I'm like, yo, you flirting with me. Like, I'm that guy. Like, I go, right? Once I see a woman that's flirting, like, I say it, and if she flirt, it's like, okay, we had a flirt Olympics right now.

[Damaris]

But then she say, yeah, what up? Why?

[Mal]

Oh, that's. You can't talk to me like that.

[Rory]

I'm the wrong.

[Mal]

I'm the wrong. That's what I'm talking about. I'm the wrong guy to say, yeah, so what's up? Like, nah, don't talk. Cause then I'm. Cause now I don't know. Cause then you don't want me to. Don't call me into that ring to do that. Cause you can't do that with. With me. Like, you, you're gonna lose that. I'll flirt all night with a girl and never see her again. Like I'm. I'm the king of that. Like, we'll flirt all night and you're a Libra.

[Damaris]

That's what Libras do.

[Mal]

I don't know if it's because of when I was.

[Rory]

Is it for a void that you're filling or validation. Why. Why do you play with people's emotions?

[Damaris]

It's cuz it's fun to him.

[Mal]

Why do I play with people's emotions? She started flirting with me and flirting.

[Rory]

With no intention, which by the way, I've done countless times. Yeah, it's fun to flirt.

[Mal]

It's healthy to flirt with no intention. It's how people do it on social media every day. Hey, it's fun to do that. It's like. But then when you be like, yo, so what's up when we going out? Like, what? We ain't never linking in real life. It's like, oh, okay, that was just for the. So then why would.

[Damaris]

So then that's why women are asking like that's why women are asking this. Because if we flirting and I ask and then I tell you because I've had men that come in my inbox.

[Mal]

But just flirting with you don't mean I wanna. Just cause I'm flirting with you don't mean I wanna hang out though.

[Damaris]

Well then you.

[Rory]

That's true.

[Mal]

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Just cause I'm baby D. Just cause I'm flirting don't mean I wanna like, like go get dinner and hang out. And I don't mean that.

[Damaris]

And that's why women are afraid to approach because they don't know if they just a game to you. Like I'm flirting to like to get somewhere and you flirting.

[Rory]

Men can feel validated.

[Damaris]

I've definitely. I've flirted to marry before.

[Mal]

How you know. You don't even know him.

[Rory]

Well, you're flirting to date.

[Damaris]

To date.

[Rory]

And they call it dating with intentions. That you are dating someone with the idea that this would be a long term thing once you get to know them.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

Not dating just a.

[Mal]

All right. So what if. So what if a woman approaches me, she starts flirting. I think she's attractive. So okay, I flirt back. But in the flirting, I kind of learned things about her and I'm like, yo, that ain't really my like, you know what I'm saying? Because that happens. Like we could both be flirting.

[Rory]

She flirting FS1 and like she could say something.

[Mal]

I'm just like, I don't know, like, what.

[Damaris]

What's an example of what she could say in a flirting session in the grocery store that can make you go.

[Mal]

Eh, I'm just saying. It's just. It depends. I don't know. Just certain things that she might. In the conversation that you just might be like. Like, all right, that was a little bit of a turnoff, but whatever. Like, if she has three kids, two baby daddies. I don't know.

[Damaris]

You flirts and that information comes out judging me.

[Mal]

What you mean? I gotta ask her if she has, you know, you have a family, you single? What's your sit.

[Rory]

That's a crazy question. At the produce.

[Mal]

No, it's not.

[Rory]

And you can tell by, like, what's in her cart? Like, clearly.

[Mal]

Yes. That's what I'm saying. If I see some Capri Suns, I'm like, all right, you not busting down. Nah, dog, nah. If you got a bunch of. If you got the variety. Variety. Box of Capri sun, you better have some kids. Don't tell me these is for you at. You put these in your. In your fridge at work. Don't tell me that. Don't tell me.

[Rory]

Snacks, all that shit.

[Mal]

Nah, nah. Who's. How many? Okay, so where's the Rascals? I get right to it once I look at the shopping cart.

[Rory]

Where's the Rascals?

[Mal]

Where's the Rascals? Like, they not here. Like, school. All right, how many. You know, how many kids you got? Three. Okay. You know, father around.

[Rory]

That's what you bust out in the first. First combo.

[Mal]

Is the father around? Yo, that's a crazy question.

[Damaris]

Flirting session.

[Mal]

Like, we're flirting. I need to know. I need to know if your kid's father. Y'all still live together. You, like, what's your. Y'all. Y'all single? Like, were you single? What are you. What are we doing here?

[Rory]

I think there's a.

[Mal]

Can I come over and get comfortable? Or I gotta have my Glock in my pants? Like, homie, on the podcast, there's another.

[Rory]

Of like, oh, I don't want to disrespect the man of that. Like, you could find a cuter way to ask that question.

[Mal]

I'm trying to find out.

[Rory]

They all got the same pops.

[Mal]

You still with your. Say you still with your kid's father?

[Damaris]

That ain't. That's not flat. We on the date.

[Mal]

I don't want to find that out at the date. I'm not going to find that out before I start spending money on you, like. Nah, I want to find that out before we hit the checkout aisle. I'm going down.

[Rory]

Who's going to buy her groceries?

[Mal]

I'm getting avocados like you are. Yo, what's up? Your kid's father's still in the picture, yo. Yeah, hand me that peer. Yeah, A word. Nah, locked up. Okay. How many? Two baby daddies. Which.

[Rory]

Wait, first of all, what supermarket are we in?

[Damaris]

No way. It's Whole Foods.

[Mal]

I don't know why.

[Damaris]

Not long enough for that.

[Mal]

Yeah, you in Whole Foods.

[Rory]

Sea Town Special Key Foods.

[Mal]

Whole Foods, man. Trader Joe's. They in there. Baby mamas is in Trader Joe's. They get that check every month. Yeah, they spending that bag.

[Rory]

First of all, Trader Joe's is actually more affordable than people think. But to have the baby mother with two baby fathers, both locked up, three kids. I just don't know if she's a Trader Joe.

[Mal]

I didn't say locked up.

[Rory]

You just said that.

[Mal]

I said, where is he? Is he still in the picture?

[Rory]

And they said, locked up. All right, cool.

[Mal]

Okay. Yeah. Is he locked up? Great. How much time he got?

[Rory]

Life.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah. So what's up? What time you need me to pick you up? Cause he ain't coming home. We ain't worried about him. But, yeah, that's a valid question. Baby D, is the kid's father still in the picture?

[Damaris]

On the date?

[Mal]

Not.

[Damaris]

Yeah, on the flirtation.

[Mal]

How is that? Y'all are crazy. So I'm gonna find out on the date that her and this nigga is still together?

[Rory]

No, not together. That she has two baby fathers out of the three kids.

[Damaris]

If you ask, yo, you single. That's it. You don't gotta. Yo, your baby, Are you single? That's it. I feel like that's flirting. Like, if we're in the grocery store aisle, we, you know, making eyes at each other, and you walk up like, yo, you single. Like, that's flirting.

[Mal]

Yeah, but what if a question is something that throws you off? Where she not saying yes, but she ain't saying no? What?

[Damaris]

And don't go on a date more.

[Mal]

What if she said some shit like, it depends. You know, Y'all love that.

[Damaris]

That's what it is.

[Mal]

Exactly. Y'all love her? It depends. Y'all love throwing. It depends. It depends on who's asking. I'm asking, like, who else you standing now? Forward right now?

[Rory]

I'm asking, first of all, in the supermarket, saying, yo, my friend wants to talk to you would be the Wildest. It's me asking.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like I'm asking my friend, and I'll.

[Mal]

Are you single? It depends on who's ass.

[Damaris]

Yeah, you might try to hook. You might be trying to hook me up with, like, your. You know, anybody, your dad, somebody, anybody.

[Rory]

Dad at the supermarket. That's my pops type right there.

[Mal]

Yo, you my pops? Yeah, you ain't for me, but. But I could call PACA FaceTime pops right now. Who does that?

[Damaris]

Or, like, if you got it. Like, if you got a brother and it's like, yo, this is like, my brother's, like, genuine type. Or it could be somebody that you recognize.

[Mal]

Listen, they my brothers for a reason.

[Rory]

If a girl came up to me and said she wanted to hook me up with her homegirl and showed me in a supermarket a photo of her, I would be terrified. That's like murder to me.

[Mal]

Yeah, it's like, yo, you show me a photo of.

[Rory]

I got a friend who's not even here.

[Damaris]

So I'm having a. Okay, so I'm not really talking for the masses with this conversation. I'm kind of talking about us because we are public figures, right? So people know us that we don't know. So if somebody might come up in the grocery store and be like, yo, my homegirl has the biggest crush on you, like that I die, that type of thing. Like, she fire here, show it, you know, interested. If she bad, if the homegirl IG go crazy. She only got 250 followers. No kids. Come on, y'all.

[Mal]

250. No kids.

[Damaris]

Y'all folding.

[Mal]

I'm gonna be surprised. I ain't following her.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's like nine soft.

[Mal]

Followers. Bad. No kids. Nah, you just named. That's the Loch Ness monster you just named. Right? That don't exist.

[Rory]

Remember? I told a story a long, long, long time ago on this podcast of when Mandy was out at a party one night, and that happened to her. Like, a girl had said she had a crush on me and Mandy FaceTime me, I'm like, what I'm supposed to do with this? Like, what you want me to do?

[Mal]

So awkward. Now we're just looking at each other.

[Rory]

You want me to drive from Jersey?

[Mal]

And you know, your face is wild. Your face look wild fat on FaceTime, too. Look like you. Like you looking through the ring camera. So now you're sitting there. Now you sitting there looking. Now you're sitting there looking stupid. Like, yeah, it's like, yo, what's up? You're gonna say what's up? Twice, maybe.

[Damaris]

And Then be like, yo, what's up? Oh, you got a crush on me. Say word. What's your name? What's your ignorant word?

[Mal]

I know. I got no saying say word while somebody's holding the phone.

[Rory]

Say word.

[Mal]

People just don't know how to flirt. I'm telling you, try to flirt with somebody that don't know how to flirt. It's the funniest ever.

[Rory]

I got caught on Saturday. I wouldn't have replied, but I did leave there thinking, what would I have said if that was even a situation? A girl came up to me and said, hey, handsome, and batted her eyes, and I froze up.

[Mal]

Oh, it wouldn't.

[Rory]

It wouldn't have been a thing, regardless. But I was trying to think in the hypothetical, like, I wouldn't even know what to say. Back to you, bro. You should have just over the Jersey club music.

[Mal]

She was an escort.

[Rory]

Swing that.

[Damaris]

No, she can't. Just like Rory.

[Mal]

He's selling ass, man. When you was at a party.

[Rory]

Yeah, it was at the Founder station.

[Mal]

She was selling.

[Rory]

She was not selling.

[Mal]

She was not selling. Y'all swear until y'all see. No, you swear.

[Rory]

Every girl's selling.

[Mal]

Not every girl. Just the girls that's selling. It's the difference. She was selling ass. Hey, handsome. Was it two eye bats?

[Rory]

I'm that.

[Mal]

It was two eye bats.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

That's 200. She was like, you know it cost 200 to hit.

[Damaris]

That's not. I'm definitely.

[Rory]

She had the 200 eyelashes.

[Damaris]

And I don't sell. I've hit a.

[Mal]

With a hate hand, but you don't blink twice.

[Damaris]

Nah, I.

[Rory]

Look, I'm a little offended. Like, I'm walked away non desirable. That a woman would find me handsome at a party? That's crazy. She has to be a prosecutor. No one would like.

[Mal]

No, she finds you handsome, but you got to pay to play.

[Damaris]

You don't think Rory could get for free?

[Mal]

I would.

[Rory]

I've never paid for pussy.

[Mal]

I hope he would.

[Rory]

The only pussy I've ever gotten is free.

[Mal]

You never pay for. We're not doing this. It's 2025. Lie to me. Lie to me. Tell me lies. Make it sound good. Make it sound. You never pay for. No, he's lying. It's documented on camera. You told me you paid for before.

[Rory]

No, I paid for. For Damaris.

[Mal]

No, no, no, no, no. That was.

[Rory]

I have taken women out on dates. Like that's not.

[Mal]

Paid for, man. I'm talking about. Send the Wire.

[Rory]

Send the Zell 1.5. Right.

[Mal]

No, bro, let me Tell you something, if I ever find.

[Rory]

The only thing that's on camera was Damaris birthday when I paid for pussy for her.

[Mal]

No, I think this was years, years ago.

[Rory]

Who paid for pussy?

[Mal]

I don't know who the young lady.

[Damaris]

Is, who you pay for.

[Mal]

Yeah, you definitely said you paid for pussy before. Cause I was always on the side of her. I've never done that.

[Rory]

Neither have I.

[Mal]

Okay, my bad. I could be wrong. I stand corrected if I'm wrong.

[Rory]

Here's why I would not pay for pussy. It's not on a moral fucking ground. I'd have to wear a condom. I'm not doing that.

[Mal]

No, you don't. Depending on how much you pay.

[Rory]

I don't have that much money.

[Mal]

Depending on how. Depending on how much you pay. No, you don't. I know somebody that.

[Damaris]

Listen, are you good?

[Mal]

My bad. All right, I'm sorry. So, yes, young lady, we do think that it's okay to flirt with men, to be aggressive. I think it's actually kind of sexy when a woman approaches a guy. You know, she's confident and she's, you know, she can hold a conversation and let a guy know, hey, listen, I would like to hang out, spend more time with you. Let's go on a date. Like, I think that's fine. Yeah, why not?

[Rory]

Bag me. Let me. Let me be the little spoon. Like, take me out.

[Mal]

Yeah, bag me, bag me. Get me lit, 20, 25.

[Damaris]

Bag me, bag me.

[Mal]

Bag me in 2025. If you out there, bag me. Let me see something. Yeah, I need to. Cause y'all. When women. Y'all be talking like guys don't know how to flirt, they don't know how to call. All right, well, let's see if you know how to flirt.

[Rory]

Just flirt.

[Mal]

I ain't say you got to court me and all. I know how to. I could take it from there. But let me see what we need to see what women flirt like.

[Damaris]

Well, Ma, can you teach me how to? I'm. My flirting is like. My flirting is very, like, I don't know. I need to learn how to flirt.

[Mal]

Rule number one to flirting, don't ask for his ig.

[Damaris]

Oh, I don't. I don't give anybody my ig. I give them my false. Like, my finster. Because men get my IG and think they know me because of this podcast or because I have a lot of followers, they think they know me. They think I'm the girl that has a lot of followers.

[Mal]

But why give your finster, though? Just don't give Them nothing. Yeah, don't even give them the fence.

[Damaris]

Though, because I don't want to have my phone number.

[Mal]

Oh, you mean like, you. You're trying to avoid giving them the number? Yeah. So get them.

[Rory]

Give me your Facebook.

[Mal]

Give them somebody. That's worse. I gotta download an app on my phone to talk to you? Like, no, I'm not doing that.

[Rory]

You could do WhatsApp.

[Damaris]

That's crazy. I'm not doing that.

[Mal]

I'm not texting nobody through WhatsApp that lives in America. We live in the same country. I'm not using WhatsApp to talk to you.

[Rory]

What's wrong with the. What's your IG live on?

[Mal]

You know, I. You know, I. I fumbled the bag of all bags when we was in la.

[Damaris]

We know. Let it go.

[Mal]

I'm her Baby D. She.

[Rory]

She was Baby D. You're trying to speak it back into.

[Mal]

You don't know what I'm talking about.

[Damaris]

Baby, I know exactly what you talking about.

[Rory]

Nah, Baby D, I'm with her. You in 2025. You do need to get this off your spirit.

[Mal]

No, no, I'm not.

[Rory]

It's been holding you down.

[Mal]

I'm not. I'm not.

[Rory]

It's a weight.

[Mal]

No, I'm not still thinking about it, but when it comes up, I'm just like, damn, was the fumble of all fumbles right there.

[Damaris]

Maybe that was God keeping you from something that would have ruined you.

[Mal]

Talk to me, Baby D. Now, see, this is why you in the room.

[Damaris]

Talk to me for you will never miss you.

[Mal]

Talk to me. Talk to me. Crazy.

[Rory]

Sometimes that'll miss you.

[Mal]

Yeah, sometimes. Sometimes you miss your blessing. Like, we got to start admitting that sometimes.

[Rory]

Could be married with kids right now. We happy as.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah. Yo, you missed your blessing. Okay? So sometimes you gotta tell your friends, yo, I'm happy for you, but, yo, they outside. I ain't gonna lie. I'm happy you got your family, though.

[Rory]

And then as a wingman, I just.

[Mal]

Thought, but we could be out here cleaning up right now.

[Rory]

I assume my. I've seen my friend work before, and I. I assumed he was gonna close.

[Mal]

There, but the one yard line, I. I dropped that and somebody kicked it right out.

[Rory]

Like, if that. If that was the case, I would have. Like when she typed in her CVS ass and put her phone number. I would have tried to memorize it had I known you were gonna.

[Damaris]

No, that's creepy.

[Mal]

Yeah, see, he's trying to go to jail. He's trying to go Dexter floor on.

[Rory]

Jail for his Happiness.

[Mal]

Nah. For my. Hey, no, I'm cool. Do we have another voicemail? That was it. Yeah.

[Damaris]

No, we haven't.

[Rory]

What's that? Dexter, we can do one more.

[Mal]

I remember I remembered her CVS number. I'd have been like, what? Like, how you do that?

[Damaris]

Maybe we'll on Patreon. Me and Maula sit next to each other. He could teach me how to flirt. We could practice flirting.

[Mal]

Baby, I can't take that. I'm gonna be laughing too much.

[Damaris]

I'm gonna be laughing too, but we gotta try.

[Mal]

I can't do that. Every time you say something, I'm gonna just start laughing like. All right, baby, this is what you were saying.

[Damaris]

We are getting our acting bag.

[Rory]

I wanna see you rope a guy in and then do the one digit off trick and see if he'll do it where you leave the last number. He has to figure it out, maybe.

[Mal]

They definitely do that. And then tell him if you really wanna talk to him again, you'll figure it out. And then walk off on a nigga. You've definitely done that before. Where you from? Guess the area. She only. She don't give the area code. That's what. Baby, that's sick.

[Damaris]

Especially in New York.

[Mal]

That's. She don't give the area code.

[Damaris]

They're just 917646.

[Mal]

He in there panicking. Where she said she from?

[Rory]

Like, that shit is just an inconvenience at this point because now I'm just gonna have to text nine different people good morning until somebody, like, now you just giving me a task that is not even gonna prove if I will be persistent or not. This is just annoying. This is gonna take me nine minutes.

[Mal]

You ever text Sham is back pack?

[Rory]

Of course.

[Mal]

I love having scammers. When anybody. You have a package at ups.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah.

[Mal]

We need you to be liable. Cut this, man. 2025 just started. Stop. Oh, I love people packages alone.

[Rory]

Crypto. I always. If I'm bored on a flight or something, will reply in my request of just like, yo, I'm all the way in. Tell me what I got to do. How my turn is five to 500. Like, wait, all you need is my. My cash app and my debit card, right?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah, I got you. Just tell me.

[Damaris]

Y'all ready for number two?

[Mal]

Yeah. What's going on, y'all?

[Rory]

My name is L. I'm from North Carolina.

[Mal]

Shout out to y'all.

[Rory]

Y'all are doing God's work with this podcast.

[Mal]

Big La going.

[Rory]

But I'm gonna get right to It.

[Mal]

What do you do when you have met your sexual match? And I mean meeting somebody that not.

[Rory]

Only matches your freak, but exceeds your freak meter. I'm. I'm 31. I've had my share of flings in my day. I've probably only been on, like, two or three serious relationships. But I'm used to being the.

[Mal]

The freak in the relationship.

[Rory]

I'm used to being the one that wants to have sex all the time. But in this recent relationship, I. I can't.

[Mal]

I can't keep up.

[Rory]

I'm being honest.

[Mal]

I can't keep up.

[Rory]

The first two weeks, it was great. I'm like, oh, man, I've met my match.

[Damaris]

You know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

Wake up having sex.

[Mal]

Middle of the day sex.

[Rory]

Sex before going to bed. Public sex. Sex in the car. And it's a long three months in. And, dog, I don't.

[Mal]

I can't. I. I can't keep up. Like.

[Rory]

And I know I'm gonna get roasted by y'all in the comments, but I like this.

[Mal]

Outside of sex, I like this girl. I feel like we like each other.

[Rory]

But I can't keep up her.

[Mal]

I've met my match.

[Rory]

She has exceeded my freak meter.

[Mal]

In your case, what would y'all do?

[Rory]

I'm not here to clown l at all. I'm here to pray for you, man, that it's a. You can feel seen. We understand. It don't even be. When you date a younger chick, it's when you date a girl in her 30s is when it's tough to keep up.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Young girls don't have sex drive like the women that are 34 years old right now. And men being 34, 35. We don't have the same sex drive that they have. They go into overdrive with their clock. I don't know what it is. I feel you. L. This is tough.

[Mal]

Yeah, man. I'm not here to laugh at you.

[Rory]

Get a honey pack, bro. I don't know what to tell you. Get a honey back. Honey pack and some Doucet and just.

[Mal]

Yeah, man, that's.

[Rory]

Pray to God. Just hold the sheets.

[Mal]

Or maybe. I mean, is she. Is she. Is she. If she's into girls, Maybe. I don't know.

[Damaris]

Yeah, you're gonna need a teammate. A sex toy or a teammate.

[Mal]

Yeah, like, bring a. You know, bring a girl in there. Let them, you know, lick on each other while you watch Sports Center. I don't know. Something you gotta. I don't know. It's tough when you can't keep up and you really. It's a humbling thing. You like, God damn again. You know my. Like, my nuts got a refill. Like, I. Like, they be ready to bounce on you in 12. Me like, God damn. I just. My nut's still wet. Like, I just washed off with the rag. Relax.

[Rory]

And the worst be when they have a crazy sex driver. You're like, yo, I'm. I'm like half heart. Like, you just half masked at that point. They're like, I don't care who you like. No, just like, all right, let me Give me five more minutes.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's trying. Like, trying to put jello through a keyhole. What you doing? Like, I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't do nothing with this right now. Like, you know what I mean? Like, you know. I mean, like, it's. And if you ain't even. Like, if y'all close, but you ain't there yet. Well, you don't let her see your softy. Like, I'm not backing out the softy. Like, three months.

[Rory]

Three months. You definitely.

[Mal]

Three months. I'm not. You're not seeing the softy. I'm sorry.

[Rory]

Three months.

[Mal]

They gotta have some blood flowing in it. I'm.

[Rory]

Two days.

[Mal]

Two days. You let them see the softy.

[Rory]

I don't give a fuck.

[Mal]

Two days is.

[Rory]

I miss the softy leaving the bathroom. What's up? Two days.

[Mal]

Yeah. Nah, not two days. She can't see you soft in two days. Listen, two days is too soon.

[Rory]

If you love me at my honey pack, love me when it's. Love me when it's just laying there.

[Mal]

Like, Love me when it's dead.

[Damaris]

Like, what were you doing?

[Mal]

That should be looking pitiful.

[Damaris]

Tell me about it.

[Mal]

There ain't no blood in that. No. You backing out.

[Rory]

I used to be that way, but, like, ah. The older I got, this is who I am.

[Damaris]

Grown women do not care about that, bro.

[Mal]

Yeah, I mean, but two days, I still beat. I don't know how you are in two days. I don't know how grown you are.

[Rory]

In two days after first night.

[Mal]

Morning.

[Rory]

What's up? This is my dick dick.

[Mal]

Have you met him yet?

[Rory]

This is my morning dick.

[Damaris]

Women really don't care. Like, I don't. We don't care about that. We really don't care about that.

[Rory]

Now if you don't, like, lay it down and do your best performance on the first night. Now I'm gonna hide my. My soldier, she not seeing soft until I knock it out because Then at that point, she's like, all right, cool, I get it.

[Mal]

How long. How long you got to know a girl before you have sex with the lights on?

[Rory]

First day.

[Mal]

Sex with the lights on. First day.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Rory is a sick nigga.

[Mal]

First day out.

[Rory]

Or I don't have, like, intimacy issues like you guys do. What's wrong with fucking with the lights on? Y'all be fucking people you don't find attractive.

[Mal]

No, I mean, yeah, I wanna see that. But the. All, like. All right, what? I'm not saying. I'm not saying. I'm not saying. I'm not saying pitch black room, but, like, you have the lights on.

[Damaris]

Like these motherfuckers.

[Mal]

Yeah, like these. You don't have the TV on, Just the tv.

[Rory]

No, unlike y'all, I have not fucked in this office.

[Mal]

Like, tv or just all lights on.

[Rory]

The room, either, or.

[Damaris]

Nah, I'm not fuck you under fluorescent lighting. I'm not that confident yet. To fuck you under fluorescent lighting the first time. That's crazy. You could see my veins through my skin.

[Mal]

Yeah. Like, if you could see the balloon knot. Her balloon knot. First night.

[Rory]

That's why I got the lights on.

[Mal]

That's crazy. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know about first night. Lights on. I don't know about first night. Now, morning sex, you know, the room is a little lit up.

[Damaris]

You know, sun is up, but daylight is, like, flattering. So, like, in daylight, I look like caramel fluorescent light. And I look like gray. Like, nah, we not doing it.

[Rory]

So first of all, y'all are having more. Y'all are this person before both y'all brush your teeth. But the lights is where we draw the line.

[Mal]

No, I always get up and brush my teeth before she went.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I'm gonna get up and scavenge through his.

[Rory]

If I have the option. Yes, I'd rather go brush my teeth and she brushes her teeth. But y'all about to tell me, in the years that you guys have been sexually active, active, you are not having morning sex before the teeth were brushed.

[Damaris]

Only with people I've been with for years.

[Mal]

Yeah, we together then. Yeah, of course.

[Rory]

You know, man, you at her crib, you don't have a toothbrush there, and she want to give you some in the morning. You.

[Mal]

She got some mouthwash, something. We gotta knock this dragon off the mouth a little bit.

[Damaris]

A bottle of water.

[Mal]

Yeah, we gotta go sweet. We gotta drink some tea, Something like.

[Damaris]

I'm not gonna make it worse. Tea is dehydrated.

[Rory]

The morning breath Head right. It's a little warm. Warmer now.

[Damaris]

That's crazy.

[Mal]

I don't care. What. What. What time it is. Is warm.

[Damaris]

You.

[Mal]

That mouth be warm. Morning, 10pm 10am that. That. That mouth. Warm.

[Damaris]

Don't.

[Rory]

Talking about someone specific.

[Mal]

Women. Yeah.

[Damaris]

Don't try to eat. Don't try to eat my. With the bacteria from last night's steak and Stella Artois.

[Rory]

It's different, though, because y'all have, like, an open wound. You could. Like, you could. A dirty mouth on a dick is. It's fine.

[Damaris]

And then I'm supposed to go sit on that same.

[Mal]

It's your mouth.

[Damaris]

No, it's not. But it's back. You carry bacteria in your mouth. You need to wash your mouth.

[Rory]

Bacteria everywhere before you put your mouth. Don't hurt.

[Mal]

I just thought. All right, so do y'all have sex with a person for the first time? Have you ever had sex with person. With a person for the first time? And it was like, morning, Like. Like daylight.

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Word.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah. It didn't happen the night before. Like, we were either too tired or something.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And then in the morning.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mal]

Y'all niggas be in love with y'all flings 100%.

[Damaris]

It was supposed to be a fling. It lasted too long.

[Mal]

10 years. A fling lasted 10 years. Look at Baby D. Fling nigga. 10 years.

[Damaris]

I've never had a successful fling. Like a success. Like, when I went into it for it to be a fling, it never.

[Mal]

Relationship turned into a thing every time your baby did. You look like you can't have sex with somebody and that just be sex. You look like it's a. Like a sign a contract once you have sex with you. Like, we go together.

[Damaris]

Nah, it's not. It's not. Not always me that is the one that's trying to write down in ink. Have going into things thinking it was.

[Rory]

Gonna be playing and going in therapy for.

[Mal]

So you gonna turn them every which way.

[Rory]

You sounded like Shirley when she was reading off the paper about the fish in the sea.

[Mal]

If you don't. That was Chat gbt. Did she tell us her name?

[Damaris]

She said her name.

[Mal]

She ain't to give us no name. That was Chat gbt.

[Rory]

We didn't give L advice. L. I think the best we did go get a. Get your girl a girlfriend or a honey pack. But also, I don't know, maybe he could give that speech of like, I feel like we're rushing too much into the sexual and, like, maybe we should ease back and get to know each Other on like a. Nah, he can't.

[Damaris]

Women are going to take that. That if you. If I'm a super sexual person and you tell me that I'm gonna take. Like, women don't take rejection well. Like you said, I wouldn't take. I would think something was wrong. Something is wrong or you can't keep up with. Either something is wrong or you can't keep up with my sex drive. Either way, now I no longer want to have sex with you because now.

[Rory]

You really like it.

[Damaris]

Now you're making me feel mad horny. Like, now I feel nasty. Like now when I'm coming on to you, I feel like some nasty horny, like. No, see, now I'm never trying to you ever again.

[Rory]

See, that's an awful. I get that perspective. But also it takes blood rushing to my dick for us to. And sometimes I can't control that. It's not a you thing. I just can't. 10 times a day like I used to.

[Mal]

Is it. Is it you just. Y'all. You want sex or you just want to orgasm? Because, like, if he eat you out until you come, then that shit suffice, right?

[Damaris]

Don't put that on him because now don't do that to him because now you signing him up for some shit he probably don't feel like doing.

[Mal]

I mean, that's his girl.

[Damaris]

But I don't want you to give me head if you're not horny. If you're giving me head just like, for the of it. Don't do that, please.

[Mal]

Oh, I've had.

[Rory]

That's a relationship.

[Mal]

I've had that before.

[Rory]

What? Just say some.

[Mal]

Just like a girl give you head. And you could tell she ain't horny, but, like, her rent was due, so it was like.

[Rory]

And now I'm the one that paid for.

[Mal]

No, I didn't. I didn't say I didn't pay for anything. She was just, you know, she was up and she was depressed.

[Rory]

I feel like the rent due head would be crazy, though.

[Mal]

Nah, she was. She was depressed because she knew she wasn't getting it from me, so now.

[Rory]

She'S just sucking dick.

[Mal]

Yeah. Like, you know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

You said you're not gonna end up on the podium.

[Mal]

Who, me? Why? Nah, that was consensual. I got the text messages. I'm like, whack. I got text messages from my next tail. I don't play no games.

[Rory]

Just flipping over your Sidekick?

[Mal]

Yeah, I keep all my old phones. I ain't playing no games. I won't catch me in no bullshit.

[Rory]

Has Whack been pulling up text messages? I haven't been keeping up with the latest. No jumper.

[Mal]

Nah, I mean, you know the. After the whole debacle outside that Adam studio, I seen him and Wax sat down and talked about the whole situation. Adam was a little mad.

[Rory]

Yeah, I haven't marked, I haven't watched it yet.

[Mal]

Yeah, but I didn't really get into it, man. But I know, I could see. I can see. Adam was definitely. He trying to distance himself as far away from that as he possibly can. But Adam is fucked up. What he gonna do? Tell Whack he can't come back up there? Whack him. It is definitely Whack show now. That's Whack studio. That's Whack. Run that shit, man. Hey, Adam, you just the face, man.

[Rory]

I mean, it's tough because that he's made his brand that so like that comes with it.

[Mal]

No, but according to Adam, that's not his brand.

[Rory]

What's. Well, he has the porn brand and that and gang brand.

[Mal]

Yeah, but he's saying n. Now you know, you know how it is. Now he trying to distance himself. We. I'm a non violent person. Well, he always.

[Rory]

But that's fine.

[Mal]

Yeah. But now, you know, people getting beat up outside your studio and you know a lawsuit is coming behind that.

[Rory]

Oh, for sure.

[Mal]

Yeah. So, you know, Adam, he trying to, he trying to, he trying to distance himself. Himself as far away from it as he possibly can. But you know, I do think obviously they are gonna, he's gonna have to cooperate at some level. I think Adam, they're gonna ask him for security footage they're gonna ask him.

[Rory]

For and I think he'll cooperate. Not that anyone would expect the opposite, but at some point you think Adam.

[Mal]

You think Adam will give information that may incriminate Whack?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Okay, we'll see.

[Rory]

And I, because it's not a knock per se at Adam, he's just, just admitted civilian that.

[Mal]

No, no, no, I get that said that he would.

[Rory]

I just in that situation do something. I would just be taxpaying civilian.

[Mal]

I would be very. I'm looking forward to if, if Adam does cooperate with an investigation that may incriminate Whack. I'm, I'm, I'm waiting to see what comes after that. Because obviously Adam and Whack have the. Probably the biggest show on Adam's platform right now.

[Rory]

I would say so, yeah, it's a.

[Mal]

Good show that would naturally disrupt that, disturb that maybe put an end to that show. It would just be interesting to see what happens as a result of that. That's all.

[Rory]

I mean with. With Adam. I just feel like we've been to that. That compound. He does do a good job with security people vetted like it's, it's. It's ran well as far as in the building.

[Mal]

But yeah, you can't control what happens.

[Rory]

I don't really have sympathy. Is that if a lot of your brand is is gang member street stuff like you can only prevent so much Gang members are going to gang member. So I don't have as much as I feel for Adam because he wasn't part of that and it's. He's going to get sued. No one else. I mean what did you expect to happen? Gang members are going to gang member.

[Mal]

I get it.

[Rory]

Like is what it is. Damaris, I saw that you had on our our list. I have not been keeping up with the Megan gossip. I'm shocked you didn't want to start with this.

[Damaris]

You disrespect me every pie. Keep going.

[Rory]

What.

[Mal]

What happened with Meg now?

[Damaris]

So Megan went public with Tory Craig, the basketball player. I'm assuming he's a basketball player.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Y'all know the sports. Not me. Okay, so Tori is a basketball player. Megan went public with him, posted a picture with him and immediately some.

[Mal]

Didn't they go public already?

[Damaris]

Well, yeah, I think that it had been rumored they haven't seen out together but she posted a picture with him. You know that's the official going public New Year.

[Mal]

That was. It was a soft launch before.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Then he kept acting right for another two months and now it's a full.

[Damaris]

Out rebrand and now this side. Some girl was coming out saying she was the side chick and he cheated on her. He originally came down to Houston to see her, but he just since she wasn't available, he went to Megan. Thee Stallion.

[Mal]

Didn't he have some crazy text messages that leaked that she leaked? Yeah, but he was telling her to milk her. Like squeeze the milk out her titties or something like that.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

This is what Elle's going through. Can't match like when you meet your match in the freak department.

[Damaris]

So he's alleging. He's alleging that she is fit like that she is making fake DMs and fake text messages that they're not real.

[Mal]

He fighting that the side chick is.

[Rory]

Saying that he cheated on Megan or that he's.

[Damaris]

That he's been with her since June. I want to say can you cheat.

[Rory]

On the side chick.

[Mal]

No, but the side chicks don't care now.

[Damaris]

But she's saying she ain't decide she's not the side chick. She's dating him. Yeah, this.

[Mal]

Yeah, she's dating. No, you're the side chick. That's what happens. Side chicks are going dates. I take.

[Rory]

Or you're just a chick that he's not even a side chick. You're just one of.

[Damaris]

And I honestly, I don't believe her. And this is why I don't believe her. Because she's doing like so much that it's just kind of like you give that you're going for clout. Not that you're the actual like side chick.

[Rory]

But what would be the, the only response to all of that would be for quote unquote clout. Why on earth would you go public with that?

[Mal]

Yeah, what are you getting?

[Rory]

What are you getting out of it?

[Damaris]

Well, so no, I'm saying if she was somebody that he was truly dating, like really dating, and your feelings are hurt and it's like, no, fuck out of here. Like you dating me. But you, you popping out with Megan thee stallion. But we're really dating. That's what she's trying to make it seem like it is.

[Rory]

Public isn't going to get him to love her. Like what the. If you doing that, you're doing it for attention.

[Damaris]

I think some people. Okay, yes, it could be that you're doing it for attention, but I've also seen that happen with normal people and it's not for attention. It's for my feelings are hurting you playing in my face.

[Mal]

Anytime. First of all, anytime you go to social media, anything, you're doing it for attention. You're not doing it for awareness. She's doing that for attention.

[Damaris]

No, I believe, completely believe that she's doing it for attention. But I also don't believe that she's the actual side chick. That's what I'm saying.

[Mal]

But I don't think he with her at all.

[Damaris]

I don't, I don't think so. I don't think so. I think there's he with her. You think so?

[Mal]

Absolutely. These ball playing. They. These, they not they anything.

[Rory]

Is that dirty macking?

[Mal]

How. I don't know that I said dirty Mac and I don't. Yeah, I don't know him well.

[Rory]

I mean I, I hope Meg has a successful and fulfilling relationship.

[Mal]

I hope so. Man. Meg, Meg deserves a real loving, healthy relationship. She does.

[Damaris]

She deserves to not have her name in the media.

[Mal]

Just gotta have, I think some People just don't have. And I'm understanding this more and more. I'm understanding that people just don't have a certain level of discernment. And I think Meg may be one of those people that just, you know, she doesn't. Discernment is not her strong suit. If we look through her history of guys that she's attached herself to and you know, given time of day to, it's just like, what did you think was gonna come out of that? Yeah, discernment. Right. Just. Just have. Have a little more discernment.

[Damaris]

Okay. I'll say that to certain things. I'm not gonna say that to her getting shot.

[Mal]

No, I never said that. Yeah, I never said that. I never said that. I'm saying practice discernment when it comes to the type of energy, the type of guys you let around you, the type of guys you're intimate with. Women, not just Meg. Humans. People.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Practice more discernment. That's all.

[Rory]

Yeah, but sometimes when people are admittedly going through grief, depression, probably an alcoholism habit, you tend to make very awful decisions. And then you find out your self worth is nothing for sure. You have to come out of that. What do you.

[Mal]

Sure.

[Rory]

Judgment in it. But we listen. There is judgment if you don't learn from it eventually.

[Damaris]

And I also haven't met anybody in their early twenties with great discernment. I feel like sometimes because Meg is so tall in the. That she raps about and she's so like voluptuous that people forget that when the majority of these decisions were being made, she was like 24 years old, if that.

[Mal]

Yeah, she's young, but I mean, that's.

[Damaris]

Yo. You can't tell A. A 24, 23 year old have better discernment. They don't know what the. They don't even know. They barely know what the that means mean. So it's just they barely even know.

[Mal]

Who they are themselves at that age.

[Damaris]

No, exactly. So like how the I'm figure out what other people's flaws are. I barely know what my. My own.

[Mal]

But Meg is.

[Damaris]

That comes with growing.

[Mal]

She's 30 something now.

[Damaris]

Now she's. Let me see. She might be 29 now.

[Mal]

Really?

[Rory]

Meg's not even 30 years young when she came out. She was in college when she came out.

[Damaris]

Wow, 29.

[Rory]

29 years old.

[Mal]

Yeah, she's.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Yep.

[Damaris]

She'll be 30 next month.

[Mal]

Okay. All right, well, she's 30.

[Rory]

Let's hope that this one was. These decisions were made with sermon because if not, just go be Single and.

[Mal]

Figure out who the you are, Meg. Just go get you. A.

[Rory]

A relationship is not going to save you if you're not a whole. So yeah, you know, and now you got to deal with Instagram.

[Mal]

And see, that's why. That's why I see that's why girls be having the soft launch. The soft launch was to kind of.

[Damaris]

Like to fill it out for people.

[Mal]

To come out before now. Now the, the, the. The rebrand happened. You know what I mean? The collab dropped and here they come. See, this is what makes. So she was give her. I'll give her. She was probably practicing discernment soft launch. Kind of like. Yeah. You know, we hang out, whatever, and still run into the bull.

[Damaris]

And even after I got like, even after they took a picture of us, the paparazzi got us out at dinner in New York City. Like, you know, we've been seen together. Allegedly he was still texting this girl. Like he was texting this girl after that. So it's like, I just. I don't know.

[Rory]

Maybe they weren't official. Official because Meg would say in a rap that hey, we're not dating. I could. With other dudes. She would say that.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

By. By her hot girl logic. So maybe he was just being a hot boy. And now it's official.

[Mal]

And now she got burned.

[Rory]

Yeah. And I, I feel like if this isn't it, I think the mall rebrand could be great for her.

[Mal]

Me and Meg.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Too short. Respectfully. I mean, you're not short as a man. You feel me?

[Mal]

She gonna say I'm too short and she's fucking Tory Lanez. Tory Lanez shorter than.

[Rory]

And the baby. She definitely has on record.

[Mal]

The baby dumb is little.

[Damaris]

I'm not saying you too short to Meg. What I was saying is that you wouldn't Meg because she's so tall. You wouldn't be with. You wouldn't be with her.

[Mal]

You wouldn't be with her. I chicks this Meg's height.

[Damaris]

You would be with Meg knowing that Meg is that much taller than you.

[Mal]

Why not? Okay. I'm secure. Yeah.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Mal]

Absolutely. It's more or less a personality thing.

[Rory]

You think any man based off how Meg thee stallion looks. Let's forget because we don't know her person how she looks. We would go, nah, she's too tall.

[Damaris]

For me to be in a relationship some men are very insecure about.

[Mal]

I ain't one of them.

[Rory]

Put on some 10 inch heels while you attitude.

[Mal]

I don't give a. I don't care.

[Rory]

Put that Ass right next to my face. When we out of D. I don't.

[Mal]

Care how tall she is.

[Rory]

I don't give a good what. I'm not even going to put on 40 below 10. Not. I put my regular flat shoes on and walk right next to baby D.

[Mal]

I grew up in the park. I climbed trees, gates, all kind of. Meg is no problem. Okay, absolutely.

[Rory]

And 2025 is the short king year from what I saw.

[Mal]

I don't know about who you saw that Twitter. You should log the off.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Elon was saying that I love short kings. I'm short. I don't like dating no tall ass that I gotta stand on my tippy toes to kiss.

[Mal]

I don't how tall is make Five, nine. Five ten.

[Damaris]

Five ten, I think.

[Mal]

Oh, you said she. Not that you know, put them heels on.

[Rory]

She.

[Mal]

She's. She's much taller. But now I could do that. I could do five, ten.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mal]

Absolutely.

[Damaris]

You gonna say I would stand on my tippy toes to kiss Meg? Would you?

[Mal]

I wouldn't have to, baby. D. But it's okay if Meg has.

[Damaris]

Five inch heels on.

[Mal]

Tippy toes.

[Damaris]

If Meg has five inches, you think.

[Mal]

I got to stand on my tippy toes?

[Damaris]

Yes. Yes, I do. Yes, I do.

[Mal]

I've dated girls 510 that had heels on. What are you talking about, baby?

[Damaris]

Okay, so me. So you telling me tippy toes mall, baby.

[Mal]

I ain't had to stand on my tippy toes in probably 20 some years.

[Rory]

How.

[Damaris]

How tall are you?

[Mal]

5 10.

[Rory]

At 5'9 I would have to stand on my tippy toes to kiss Megan. I would do it.

[Mal]

You would? No, you would not. What are you talking about?

[Rory]

She's five ten. I'm five'nine and she. And she has some heels on. Depending on what heels. And Meg can afford some. Some high heels.

[Mal]

You think you would have to stand on your tippy toes?

[Rory]

My heel. My heel would raise off the ground is what I'm saying.

[Mal]

No, would not. Man, y'all are crazy. She's not six'ten with those heels. What are you talking about? Up.

[Rory]

All right, if I'm 59 and she puts on heels, that would make her, what, three, four inches taller?

[Damaris]

Four or five? Yeah.

[Rory]

That puts her. I'm not good at math.

[Mal]

62. 63. You think you would have to stand on your tippy toes to kiss her?

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mal]

No, you would not. You're bugging the out.

[Rory]

If I go like this. I'm not at 63.

[Mal]

You're. You're crazy, man. You have to stand on your Tippy toes.

[Damaris]

He got to raise his head at least.

[Mal]

He got to.

[Damaris]

He got to tuck his head back.

[Rory]

She's looking down while I'm looking up.

[Damaris]

For sure.

[Rory]

For sure. Without question. Which I'm fine with. Let the paparazzi grab that.

[Mal]

Look down on me, queen. Look down at your king.

[Rory]

I submit. Yeah, I'm at your service.

[Mal]

See, that's how secure I am. I look down on your king. Yeah, I'm right here.

[Damaris]

So like having her and his wife.

[Rory]

Yeah, but I mean, that's wedding heels too, and all that, but. Yeah, nothing wrong with that.

[Damaris]

Ain't nothing wrong with it.

[Rory]

I could stand on the couch at the club. Yeah. Yeah. I'd figure it out.

[Mal]

That's all I'm trying to tell you. You'll figure it out.

[Damaris]

You'll figure it out.

[Rory]

We're both the same height when we lay down.

[Mal]

Remember when N used to try to get that off?

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mal]

I'm taller than her when I'm hitting you from the back.

[Rory]

That is true.

[Damaris]

No, you not. Because now I gotta climb on the bed. Cause you can't just. I can't stand up and you can't stand up. So now the knees gotta be on the bed.

[Mal]

Nah, that's when you supposed to just put the. Put the phone book on the floor for him. See, you ain't an understanding queen. That's your problem. Now, who still has a phone.

[Rory]

Phone book, Yellow pages. Yeah, they still get shipped to your house.

[Mal]

No, that would be.

[Rory]

I have not gotten yellow pages sitting there.

[Mal]

I'm calling the Homeland Security. There's a bomb in front of my.

[Rory]

Interaction that for sure.

[Mal]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Rory]

Before we get out of here, obviously, I've seen some. Some comments on Twitter, on ig. Clearly, Julian is no longer with the podcast. We wish him the absolute best. Love to him, but yes, he's no longer part of the pod. Appreciate all the contributions and. And salute to him. And I think that's it. We'll. We'll be back 2, 3, 4, 4 more times. Patreon.com/newroariamal. See my 2025 predictions that I smoked already out the gate.

[Mal]

You're off to a good start.

[Rory]

I. I think I might add a thousand. I think out of all 50 that I received crazies on.

[Mal]

There's some crazies on your list. There's some wild on your list. Your list for sure.

[Rory]

Really?

[Mal]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

You don't think we'll get a Jelly Roll and Nas song this year?

[Mal]

Won't happen.

[Rory]

That wasn't on my list. But I would love to hear that.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah. I'm not mad at it, but I don't think it's going to happen.

[Rory]

I love jelly roll, man.

[Mal]

Yeah, I love them, too, but.

[Rory]

Cool. We'll talk to you guys very soon.

[Mal]

Be safe, be blessed, have a good week. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. Peace, no worry.

[Damaris]

And mouth.