Episode 336 | LiAngelo Ball Saves Def Jam

Summary

Podcast Summary: New Rory & MAL – Episode 336 | LiAngelo Ball Saves Def Jam

Release Date: January 14, 2025

Hosts:

• Rory Farrell
• Jamil "Mal" Clay
• Studio71

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1. Introduction

In Episode 336 of New Rory & MAL, titled "LiAngelo Ball Saves Def Jam," hosts Rory Farrell and Jamil "Mal" Clay delve into the intriguing intersection of sports and the music industry. The episode explores LiAngelo Ball's unexpected role in revitalizing Def Jam Recordings, offering listeners a blend of insightful analysis, humorous banter, and candid discussions about the current state of the entertainment landscape.

2. Main Discussion: LiAngelo Ball's Def Jam Deal

a. Analyzing the Record Deal

Rory and Mal begin by dissecting the details of LiAngelo Ball's recent record deal with Def Jam, which is rumored to be worth up to $13 million, including an $8 million publishing deal. Rory states, "[04:30] Rory: I think the easiest answer or the least first step for me is Shopify," highlighting his view on the simplicity of launching a brand, though this segues into his analysis of Def Jam's investment in Ball.

Mal questions the feasibility of the deal, emphasizing skepticism about universal music labels' willingness to front such significant sums for a single song. "[05:00] Mal: All right, so you on the side of this may go the Glorilla way," he muses, comparing Ball's trajectory to other artists like Glorilla who have seen success post-viral moments.

b. Comparisons to Other Artists and Industry Practices

The hosts draw parallels between Ball's deal and past instances where labels invested heavily in viral artists. Rory remarks, "[08:38] Rory: I just love that Kendrick Lamar is going to be on this. It's not going to kill music," underscoring the potential positive impact of strategic collaborations.

Mal counters by expressing concerns about the sustainability of such deals, stating, "[13:00] Mal: Them and the dude that goes to the top of the tower to change that light bulb, like once every six months," alluding to the challenges labels face in recouping investments from short-lived viral hits.

3. Current Events and Industry Insights

a. Evolution of Hip-Hop and Streaming Influence

Rory and Mal discuss the shifting dynamics in hip-hop, particularly the influence of streaming platforms and the rise of new-age artists. "[50:41] Rory: The virality of it or the song itself?" Rory questions whether the success is driven by the song's intrinsic quality or its viral nature.

Mal adds, "[83:00] Mal: He's in shape," in reference to Cam Newton's physical prowess, juxtaposing athleticism with musical success and underscoring the multifaceted nature of modern celebrity.

b. Comparison with Traditional Entertainment Models

The hosts compare the current state of TV and music to past decades, debating whether today's entertainment truly represents a "golden age." Rory asserts, "[117:00] Rory: It's still TV," while Mal contends, "[117:21] Damaris: There's more money put into shows now," highlighting differing perceptions of quality and investment in the industry.

4. Voicemail Segment: Listener Interaction

The episode features a voicemail from a listener who claims, "[00:00] Listener: I recently went viral for getting choked out by Scottie Pippen," sparking a humorous yet critical discussion among the hosts about personal branding and the lengths individuals go to gain attention on social media platforms.

Rory humorously interrogates the voicemail sender, exploring the motives behind leveraging sensational incidents for career advancements. "[65:02] Rory: So he was trying to talk to his girl," he jests, while Mal emphasizes the futility of such attempts, declaring, "[85:39] Mal: Naughty by nature, Queen Latifah, Shout out to Dogo Chic is on here."

5. Closing Remarks and Predictions

As the episode draws to a close, Rory and Mal share their optimistic yet cautious outlook on the future of record deals and the evolving entertainment industry. Rory predicts, "[84:35] Rory: They owe us a proper one," referring to potential collaborations that could redefine industry standards.

Mal reinforces the need for authenticity and strategic partnerships, advising, "[90:02] Rory: So you think it's trash now?" in response to critiques about new music trends, and later adds, "[95:01] Mal: Just say it. That's all," advocating for straightforward communication in the industry.

6. Notable Quotes

• "[04:30] Rory: I think the easiest answer or the least first step for me is Shopify."
• "[05:00] Mal: All right, so you on the side of this may go the Glorilla way."
• "[08:38] Rory: I just love that Kendrick Lamar is going to be on this. It's not going to kill music."
• "[13:00] Mal: Them and the dude that goes to the top of the tower to change that light bulb, like once every six months."
• "[50:41] Rory: The virality of it or the song itself?"
• "[83:00] Mal: He's in shape."
• "[117:00] Rory: It's still TV."
• "[117:21] Damaris: There's more money put into shows now."
• "[65:02] Rory: So he was trying to talk to his girl."
• "[85:39] Mal: Naughty by nature, Queen Latifah, Shout out to Dogo Chic is on here."
• "[84:35] Rory: They owe us a proper one."
• "[95:01] Mal: Just say it. That's all."

7. Conclusion

In this episode, New Rory & MAL provides listeners with a comprehensive exploration of LiAngelo Ball's impact on Def Jam Recordings, set against the broader backdrop of the music and entertainment industry's evolution. Through a blend of expert analysis, relatable stories, and engaging humor, Rory and Mal offer valuable insights into the complexities of modern celebrity, record deals, and the ever-changing landscape of hip-hop and television.

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Note: This summary intentionally omits promotional content, advertisements, and non-essentials to focus solely on the substantive discussions within the episode.

Transcript

[Rory]

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[Rory]

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[Mal]

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[Damaris]

And now.

[Mal]

Ratatouille. Ratatouille.

[Rory]

That's how you're feeling today.

[Mal]

Spell ratatouille.

[Damaris]

R a T a T O U I.

[Mal]

That just don't sound right. No, I could be hating. Actually, I could be hating. Hold on now, let me see. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Let's see, let's see, baby.

[Rory]

I think this is funny because we had Mall try to spell something the other day, which he failed miserably. Now he's.

[Mal]

No, I didn't know.

[Rory]

I didn't know.

[Mal]

I didn't know what y'all. I didn't know what y'all was to spell. We went through that.

[Rory]

She didn't know what she was about to say.

[Mal]

All right, baby. D One more time. Go through it.

[Damaris]

You said ratatouille?

[Mal]

Yes.

[Damaris]

R A, T A T, O, U I L, L, E. I told you I used. I'm really good at spelling. I didn't make that.

[Rory]

But see, I don't even like this already.

[Mal]

Cuz that's our favorite movie.

[Rory]

We're doing a spelling beat.

[Damaris]

I've never seen it.

[Rory]

Actually we're doing a spelling beat on Patreon. And look at you guys already training.

[Mal]

N. I was just testing. I was just, just, you know me, just testing out quick. Just trying to catch her off guard a little bit, that's all.

[Rory]

This God given.

[Mal]

What's God giving?

[Rory]

All I gotta do is just show up.

[Mal]

You not you not knowing how to spell. That is God.

[Damaris]

God has never given me.

[Rory]

Hey, booby, you ain't lived.

[Mal]

That is God given. You not knowing how to spell 100.

[Rory]

It's definitely a God given public school giving.

[Mal]

Absolutely. Absolutely.

[Rory]

Well, I cannot wait this week that we are gonna do that on Patreon.

[Mal]

Yes.

[Rory]

Finally a spelling bee.

[Mal]

Yes.

[Damaris]

If you have any words that you would like to see one of us flunder and plunder over, please send them to Peach on Twitter. Peach T, right? Yeah. P E, E, J E, T on Twitter.

[Mal]

Or let's see what that Rochester school system did for you.

[Damaris]

Who went to.

[Rory]

It's not from Rochester.

[Damaris]

Yo, you really violating me.

[Mal]

Syracuse, yes.

[Damaris]

Stop violating.

[Mal]

I thought you just went to Syracuse University.

[Damaris]

Nah, you from West Plains. How's that?

[Mal]

I'm from like timidity.

[Rory]

You know what's funny? There's no such thing as West Plains.

[Damaris]

I made that up.

[Mal]

I'm 10 minutes off of Timothy Plains.

[Rory]

I meant calling White Plains West Plains.

[Mal]

Oh man. Day five of my juice cleanse.

[Rory]

Oh, and you're not even moody.

[Mal]

No, I'm shocked.

[Rory]

I thought you come in here like you were on your period.

[Mal]

I didn't know if I did more than five, it would be a moody thing. I did 14 days once, but I wasn't ready for that. So I did a little five day to start the year.

[Rory]

Last time you did it, you came in like a chick with a heavy flow. I'm glad that you're feeling better.

[Mal]

Yeah, no, I feel great.

[Rory]

Very irritable moody, but I feel great, man.

[Damaris]

Nah, he be a little delusional though. Off you. Like when you did the juice cleanse our first year doing this podcast when we were at the serious office, you. You were like. That was like your Jordan flu game. Like you were really just saying anything at that point. I really think you Were like delusionally hungry.

[Mal]

What year was that?

[Damaris]

I was going into 2022. Cuz you do it at the start of the year, right?

[Mal]

Start of the year. Yeah.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mal]

All right.

[Rory]

Well, I mean, I'm proud of you usually. I'm very confident into our Patreon challenges. Delusionally confident. Because I always end up losing whatever competition we do. At least I go in there with my chin, you know, hide with just a little bravo with awful and arrogant. Just a bad perception of myself. Wrong and strong.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And then I just fail miserably. I am coming into the spelling bee extremely humble.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You just know it's over.

[Mal]

You just. That's good though. It's good when you know your.

[Rory]

Your weaknesses, but when you're already solidified because you won the Riz napkin challenge. Oh, please.

[Mal]

You sent the napkin to Papoose. You went against the whole premise of what we were doing. He was like writing a rap.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

It was supposed to be a poem.

[Rory]

Is rap not rhythm and poetry. I thought it was an acronym.

[Damaris]

It is, but it's ain't even really have rhythm.

[Rory]

R and B is rhythm.

[Mal]

And you sent a paper towel that was. They don't have paper towels at the bar. There's just, you know, the cute little.

[Rory]

Napkins that you just let the world know. My pen works. You guys. You guys can fit your little shit on like a little bar napkin. It's cool.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Some of us need a whole scroll.

[Mal]

Peach might have smoked this though. He might have got right to it.

[Rory]

For those that don't know, the episode came out today. Patreon.com newroarianmo we did a Riz poem challenge and I felt like Peach thought I was the winner because he picked me for the clip. Right. That's how that went. It wasn't because I was the worst that would get more engagement and laughed at the most. Right?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Yo, can I play Peej's please? Can I play Peaches poem?

[Mal]

Ours.

[Damaris]

You gotta sign up for Patreon for. But can I?

[Mal]

You recorded it?

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Rory]

We can give them a teaser for Patreon. I'm not mad at that.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

Because Peach kind of went crazy.

[Damaris]

Peach won.

[Mal]

I feel like Peach said, why you sitting alone? I haven't a clue. That peanut butter. That peanut butter skin looks amazing on you. I noticed across the room you chunky. I'm smooth. I want the whole room smelling funky when I'm through.

[Rory]

All right. Yes. We were all battling for second place.

[Mal]

Yeah. Yeah. Nah. Peach got right to it. And I can see the girl Laughing. If she reads that, like, it's like, okay, he's crazy, but it's funny.

[Damaris]

Nah, I want the whole room funky. When I'm through with you, I'm calling the cops.

[Mal]

I'm going to get right to it. You know what that means? That we about to go in there and start humping. We fucking humping. When the room starts stinking, that mean we in there wrestling. How many. How many positions you got to do for the room to start slinking?

[Rory]

I just love that the funky fat girl at the bar, Peach, did not have a clue why she was alone.

[Mal]

Nah.

[Damaris]

I hadn't a clue.

[Rory]

Why is that funky, girl?

[Damaris]

I haven't a clue.

[Mal]

That was some Shakespeare right there. Yeah, I haven't a clue. Oh, man.

[Rory]

Oh, he's the Macbeth of Williamsburg.

[Mal]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

Well, yes. Please subscribe to Patreon. That was a very fun, fun experiment.

[Mal]

Next spelling be up next. I can't wait.

[Rory]

It's just gonna be like, road rules, challenges, all on Patreon for the rest of the year.

[Mal]

That's it.

[Rory]

That's kind of the plan.

[Mal]

I feel like I'm down for it.

[Rory]

Until we get as close to what Cam Newton did. I know this isn't on our list. Did anyone see what Cam Newton did? That's what we're gonna eventually have to get by August on Patreon.

[Mal]

What did he do?

[Rory]

Cam Newton jumped from a moving boat onto a moving helicopter that was above the boat and picked himself up. This wasn't in a movie. This was on, like, some reality show.

[Mal]

Wait, he jumped from.

[Rory]

It was like some Road Rules challenge shit.

[Mal]

He jumped from a moving boat and grabbed onto a helicopter and pulled himself up into the helicopter.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mal]

Well, Cam Noon is one of the.

[Rory]

Greatest athletes, but greatest athletes that's ever existed, so why would come. I don't care how good of an athlete you are. This is insane. Look at PJ up there.

[Damaris]

Look at PJ up there.

[Rory]

This is not normal, bro.

[Damaris]

Go, Cam.

[Rory]

I feel like there's Navy SEALs that can't do this.

[Mal]

Yeah. Nah, that's insane. Yeah, you gotta be. You gotta be strong as a motherfucker to do that.

[Rory]

And then all his teammates just looking. Cause then you look at Kylie Pratt, just confused.

[Mal]

You fighting. Is he gonna pull himself up?

[Rory]

Yes. Yeah.

[Mal]

Cause you fighting against the wind. You fighting against, like. Then you pull your body weight up like that. Like that's. And that's tough.

[Damaris]

That had to be scripted because. No, none of those other people can do that. None of those other people are doing that.

[Rory]

Cam Newton Was fishing and they just.

[Damaris]

No, Chopper was like, yeah, he's in a show. I think they script. They had to have scripted that part because there's nobody else on that show that can do that.

[Mal]

Well, it's a challenge. Yeah, they get a chance to do it, but he's probably the only one that could. I mean, he's a amazing athlete. We know that. So.

[Damaris]

But that's tough.

[Rory]

You don't think the producers were like, let's give this one to Kyla Pratt.

[Damaris]

No.

[Mal]

Yeah. I'm willing to guess Kyla couldn't complete.

[Rory]

That because I couldn't do it either.

[Damaris]

Yeah, no, Kayla's on there, too. Are your friend Kayla's on there?

[Rory]

Oh, she's. This is the show she's on. See, I haven't. I only saw that clip. Kayla might be able to do that.

[Mal]

That's tough.

[Rory]

She got reach.

[Mal]

Pull your body weight. And then the wind, the helicopters moving.

[Rory]

The wind blowing like, Cam Newton might be the only human on earth.

[Mal]

Shout out to Cam Newton.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

You ain't see the tear in his eye. Who produced this? He had the tear running through his eye.

[Mal]

I don't know. I'm willing to bet Joe Rogan is somewhere behind this, though. I feel like all of these shows.

[Rory]

I was going to go with Nick Lachey.

[Mal]

Joe Rogan, they say, no, that ain't Nick.

[Damaris]

No.

[Mal]

Now, if they was like, he was.

[Rory]

With love, now he's doing extremely valid.

[Mal]

If they had to go on a date after then Nick Lachey, for sure.

[Rory]

It was a blind date in the helicopter. You don't know what she looks like. Yeah.

[Mal]

But you got to climb yourself, pull yourself up in there and then you.

[Rory]

See, and if you don't marry her, you got to jump out the helicopter.

[Damaris]

And Jazzy is sitting in the producer room watching the whole thing, watching the whole date. Now that's a Nick Lachey show.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's Nick Lachey. But this looks like Rogan Rogan's hosted things like this. Like, this is Joe Rogan's type of bag.

[Rory]

Yeah. There's a little feel factor. Fear Factor. I can't speak today.

[Mal]

Fear Factor.

[Rory]

Fear Factor. Why did they cancel that show, man?

[Mal]

I mean, he's podcasting now, but there.

[Rory]

Was like a 10 year gap between him podcasting and Fear Factor. But yeah, dude, I feel like that would have lasted.

[Mal]

Yeah, no, definitely.

[Rory]

Like, that's one of those things.

[Mal]

People do, Fear factor now on their social medias. People do shit every day. They do their own challenges.

[Rory]

Like, I feel like they should do a fear Factor reboot with Brendan Schaub as the host.

[Mal]

Why?

[Rory]

The Internet will get that joke.

[Damaris]

This show is called the most hated.

[Rory]

Human being on the Internet that Joe Rogan put on.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I think he should take over.

[Damaris]

This show is called Dude.

[Rory]

I do that.

[Damaris]

Special Forces. World's toughest test. Special Forces.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

Oh, see, I was spot on that. I thought only Navy SEALs could do that. I see. In that type of compromising situation. I don't know if I'd have the will to live in that scenario. If I was a frogman at this point. Like, dog. You know what? Just tell my family I love him. Here's the note that I keep in my vest.

[Mal]

Yeah, I'm not.

[Rory]

This. I'm not making.

[Mal]

If I had to do that to get away from Charlie, I'll just be a pow. Like, fuck it. I'm not. I'm not making it into the helicopter like, fucking. You got me.

[Damaris]

You would try, though.

[Mal]

Oh, I gotta try. But that's. That is tough.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

This is pure ignorance because I'm sure someone could debunk my theory why on earth. You know the Coast Guard guys that jump into the water during the hurricanes?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Which are incredible. Those. Those guys are insane. They haven't come up with any invent. Like, we're going. We have spaceships that with Bluetooth are coming back down and, like, putting themselves back in Elon Musk's house. We can't get a better cord for the Coast Guard. Every time I see a hurricane, the cord breaks. They're flipping around. We just can't get a better system to save people in the Perfect Storm.

[Mal]

No, I think that would. You. Talking about shit that rarely happens, though.

[Rory]

That's the entire. What's the guy that did punk Ashton Kutcher the entire Ashton Kutcher movie where he was saving people in Alaska. The core didn't work once. Not in one scene. Not one scene was it successful.

[Damaris]

Because if it was successful, you wouldn't.

[Rory]

Have a movie in the Perfect Storm. Every single time they go out. Every single movie.

[Mal]

A great movie. Oh, classic classic movie. Super classic classic.

[Rory]

I still think Mark Wahlberg's out there treading water. I still have faith.

[Mal]

He's. He's done. He's. He's in green and pastures right now. It's over with.

[Rory]

This is why certain jobs pussies like me can't be on it. If Ocean's Eleven came out of that. That cockpit and was like, yo, we got all this fish, but we gotta go through three hurricanes to get it back. I'M like, bro, let's eat the fish and chill. Yeah, there's no fucking way I'm going back. I get it. It was a lot of money. They all needed the money. Nah, let's go find another place to sell this shit. We could go the other way.

[Mal]

I'm on a crazy, like, sell it in Connecticut binge watch of, like, Deadliest Catch. Binge watching Deadliest Catch for, like, a week. Like, two weeks.

[Damaris]

That haunts haunted my childhood. My dad used to put it on and just watch it constantly.

[Mal]

Deli's Catch. Yep, that's that right there. Love Deli's cat.

[Rory]

Have you guys gotten into any of, like, the North Sea algorithms yet on your Instagram? It has the same song every time that they play, but it just. That's. Yo, that's a hit. Why Metro Boomin has not sampled the North Sea song is beyond me. I'm sure Future on the Weekend would smoke that. You guys could have that one for free.

[Mal]

I'm already scared of the ocean, but watching that petrified of the ocean, I'm good.

[Rory]

Those guys that go on, like, the oil rigs that are out in the middle of the North Sea, insane, where they do the welding underwater make 50k a month. And I think they're underpaid. Like, they are underpaid.

[Mal]

Them and the dude that goes to the top of the. The tower to change that light bulb, like, once every six months, I don't know how much he makes. Underpaid to change the light bulb. To change the light bulb on the top of that.

[Rory]

Also, I think it's funny that I have light bulbs in my house that could last for five years with that one every six months.

[Mal]

Every six months, change it. And he's underpaid. I don't know how much he makes, but they need to pay him triple.

[Damaris]

Rory, it says they typically only make 90,000 a year.

[Rory]

I was looking at something on IG that of course, had to be real because he's on an Instagram page that wasn't verified. The average was 50k a month, but they only work, like, two or three months out the year. So maybe it is 90k a year and work two months.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah.

[Rory]

I mean, I don't know how much welding. I'm not gonna pretend like I know what welding you need to do underwater for the oil rigs. That's another thing, though.

[Mal]

I'm not welding underwater. Just underpaid when you got to do that. Like, you got to go under the water to weld metal. I Don't know how much they paying you, sir, but you need triple.

[Rory]

It's all not real, Lord Jamar told me, but we'll get to that later. Atlanta got a snowstorm, which is always fun for me. I sit at the edge of my seat anytime Atlanta gets a dusting, because, boy, does that city melt the fuck down. I feel like this time at least they were sort of prepared. The funniest thing I saw with Atlanta was. I think you were the one that even sent me the video. They were putting salt. They had the salt truck in front of the plow truck, so they were putting salt down, and then the guy behind him was plowing the street.

[Damaris]

That was. See, that would have sent me into a murderous rage.

[Mal]

It's always funny to me that certain cities behind. Yeah, certain cities really don't know how to operate in snow. Like, they really don't. I just loved Atlanta because, you know, they get three inches of snow, and the entire city is.

[Rory]

No one knows how to drive in the snow. Their cars aren't really prepared.

[Damaris]

They don't have the tires and stuff.

[Rory]

And also like to even shoot cities like in North Carolina and Atlanta that get snow. I'd be mad if you put a whole bunch of my tax dollars into some shit that happens once every three years. Like, everyone just stay your ass in the house for one day till it melts. Like, nah, I'm cool. Make sure the ambulances get everywhere. And I'm.

[Mal]

Yeah, but three inches of snow. Couple of drive down the street, that shit is gone. Three inches of snow. Rush hour traffic, that shit.

[Rory]

The streets is a regular morning.

[Damaris]

It's just a safety hazard because they don't. They get scared. And a scared driver is the worst kind of driver.

[Rory]

So in the snow, pumping that brake, skidding everywhere. No, thanks.

[Mal]

It's crazy how Atlanta, Virginia, they seem like they all have more snow than us this year already. Well, you know, global warming machines. I get it.

[Rory]

Joe Biden is actually controlling the weather machine.

[Mal]

I jumped into Twitter spaces last night.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Spoke to the people from our community. Shout out to my ops. I call them my ops, but it's all love. Shout out to them.

[Rory]

I'm glad you guys squashed it.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah. Nah, it's all love, man.

[Damaris]

How did that go? I wasn't on it, but how was it?

[Mal]

It was cool, you know, just kicking the shit, man. I had told nene had been DMing me for a few months trying to get me to do it, and I was like, no, I'm gonna definitely do it. And Then I just felt like. I was like, they probably felt like, I'm not gonna do it. I was like, so I found some time to do it.

[Rory]

You finally met your fee?

[Mal]

No, no, I just found some time. I was like, you know what? Let's. Let's. Let's do it this. This Sunday. We did. We did it last night. I was in there a lot longer than I expected to be, but it was. It was a cool conversation. They gave me some shit at first, but what was the.

[Damaris]

On your writer or questions you couldn't be asked? Like, now I'm not answering it.

[Mal]

No, no, no, wait, you could do that. No, I just said. I just said, you know, I didn't want to. I didn't want to talk about Drake Kendrick. I'm tired of talking about that. And I didn't want to talk about Trump because we already did what we had to do. So.

[Rory]

So I'll tell you this. I was doing dinner, bath time, but I had put my phone as a listener in the community and just left it. During that. When I came back and put my AirPods in at the exact moment Mal was saying that him and I would double team Martha Stewart for $1.5 million, which I, in fact, just. I just sent the 100 emoji because I, like, I agreed. No, I didn't know the context of anything. I was just like, yeah, not. That's true.

[Mal]

So we had talked about the whole, you know, the Joy Taylor Fox Sports and the hairdresser. Things like, if somebody offers you 1.5 and, you know, a couple girls in there. Kevin really was like, man, I'm taking that 1.5. Then some was like, nah, I don't know. Then they of course, turned it on me and was like, so if Martha Stewart wanted you and Rory to Eiffel Tower her, would y'all do it? I was like, me and Rory would be. And Martha Stewart, like, kidding. Play a house party. Like, we would be dancing inside that shit. Like, are you kidding me?

[Rory]

And I would feel bad.

[Mal]

What are you talking about?

[Rory]

I feel bad.

[Damaris]

Cause Martha overpayed balls had to knock together at one point.

[Mal]

See, now you see how Baby D got to turn it to something else. That's something else. Now you turn it in.

[Damaris]

No, because it was a disgusting situation for homegirl. I wanted to be a disgusting situation for you. If she wanted dp, she wanted one in the rum and one in the bum. Would you balls knocking? Would you still take it for 1.5?

[Mal]

Nah, not balls knocking. I'm not doing no Ball knocking. We not doing that. Only thing that's knocking is knock on the door. We ain't doing no ball knocking. Like. Nah.

[Rory]

Wait. Would only me, Martha and Maul know.

[Mal]

I don't know what he's about to say, but I'm telling you from all. I'm not doing that. I don't know. I don't know where he's at in his life and what he's doing. For 1.5, I'm not ball knocking with nobody at free.

[Rory]

1.5. I don't know, man.

[Mal]

Nah, man, not happening. Because that's something else now. Now we gay for 1.5 million. Nah. Ball knocking.

[Rory]

I'm not you. For 1.5 million, you can't.

[Mal]

No part of your body can touch me if I. Eiffel Tower.

[Rory]

We go like this. Yeah.

[Damaris]

Y'all hold hands.

[Rory]

We have to make the tower. Yeah.

[Damaris]

You hold hand.

[Rory]

No, that's a London Bridge, Whatever that shit is.

[Damaris]

It's the Eiffel.

[Mal]

No, it's the Eiffel. Okay, we gotta do this.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

One hand and then you in the front.

[Rory]

They did. You know what? They did that marching into Paris, too.

[Mal]

It was a little. The angle was different. The angle on the hand was different. It was a. It was a different angle.

[Rory]

They saved Paris. It is not under German control.

[Mal]

I get it.

[Rory]

I understand it was a rough time, but. But France prevailed. But, yes, we would have to. I'm not saying we'd have to lock fingers, but, yeah, we'd have to. For the motion. Yeah, but we have to fulfill our contract.

[Mal]

But with Baby D trying to. She trying to throw homosexual activities into the. Into the pot. We ain't trying to do that with Joy and the hairdresser. We ain't. We ain't throw gay into the pot.

[Damaris]

No, but it's about not being. The whole thing is.

[Mal]

Would you not being attracted.

[Rory]

It's about being harassed.

[Damaris]

Somebody you're not attracted to.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Do something that you really don't.

[Mal]

So why you turned it into something else just now with ball knocking?

[Damaris]

Because that's something that you. That's not gay, but it's something you don't really want.

[Rory]

I mean, a lot of us do things that we don't want to do for money. So I'm just letting you. I'm. Why are you tying that to. You want to knock, and I'm just.

[Mal]

He want to do it.

[Damaris]

He want to do it.

[Rory]

Is the offer on the table?

[Mal]

Rory be like, yo, Maul, come on.

[Rory]

Does Brandy have the long form contract?

[Mal]

Yo, Rory, would Definitely try to talk and get the fuck out of here. I'm never doing no shit like that. But overall, the Spaces was a great.

[Rory]

I've been. I've been looking at schools. I could use it.

[Mal]

The Spaces was great. Had a great time talking to the community and shout out to everybody that joined.

[Rory]

I love that you did squash beef with the Ops, which had. Which had me thinking that. Is that like a Harlem Bronx thing? That don't do it. That if you have beef with somebody and you got some bravado or whatever, then you squash it. Now they all friends because, like, Ma was like, yo, fuck all them. Then I come in and he's Kiki. And about me and him fucking Martha Stewart with them. So is that a Harlem Bronx thing? I just have to ask.

[Mal]

No, it's a. You know, recognizing that it's better to.

[Rory]

Just be cool, understand. Okay.

[Mal]

But especially when you talking about the ladies, like, who. I'm not beefing with no women. Like, who's doing that and.

[Rory]

All right. I just. I don't think this. I'm just going off what Cameron told me this morning. I don't think this about Jim Jones whatsoever. But Jim Jones being from the Bronx and from Harlem, he was being accused of squashing beef with all his opps. So I felt like maybe that was a you and Jim situation because you did it on Twitter. Spaces. Cam said it today. It checks out like.

[Mal]

But the difference with mine.

[Rory]

That's a thousand with both of y'all.

[Mal]

Yeah, but the difference is mine wasn't a real. You know, it was. It was fun. Fun ops.

[Rory]

You and K N. That could have got you both from the Bronx. That could have got crazy.

[Mal]

We could have crashed out. I could have saw her in the concourse. Nah, man.

[Rory]

Who knows what would happen?

[Mal]

It was. It was all love. But speaking of Jim and Cam, obviously, last week the. The video of Jim on Justin the Boy's show respectfully went viral. And Jim had some things to say about cam having 50 cent on it is what it is. And he said some things that I felt like crossed the line of respect. As men. As men, you should. Certain things you should never say. You shouldn't phrase things a certain way, because now a certain line has been crossed. So everybody was kind of waiting for Cam to respond. So it is what it is. A new episode came out, and this morning. This morning. And Cam had his response, and he had some things to say. Basically kind of, you know, shedding, I guess we'll call it. Cam's version of him and Jim's relationship over the years and their, you know, friendship or whatever it is now kind of putting it into perspective. And everybody kind of felt like this was coming. They felt like Cam was, you know, he was where he put on his good mink.

[Rory]

Yeah, he usually wears a suit.

[Mal]

Yeah, he usually wears a suit. He was. It was. It was mink Cam today.

[Rory]

I said last episode that you would have been the only one that could have squashed this. Clearly, you took the weekend off. Because when I saw this clip, I was like, I told more.

[Mal]

Oh, no. It was no squashing that. Cam was. You know, if anybody knows Cam. Cam is going to respond. Cam is going to have fun. He's going. You know, he. He leans into all of that type of shit.

[Rory]

It's funny, though.

[Mal]

It's unfortunate, though. I feel like, you know, I just hate to see shit because when you have somebody that has so much history, like Kim and Jim and Cam, whenever it goes source, I just feel like it's shit that we gonna hear that we shouldn't hear and, you know, relationships that we gonna find. I just. I don't like hearing about shit like that. I think that that's just. It's not for the Internet, man. I just. That's just me. I don't like. I don't like seeing shit like that.

[Rory]

This is why I'm terrified of the pettiness of everyone from uptown. We have seen Jim and Cam beef for God knows how long. Makeup beef again. One of my favorite Funk Flex interviews ever was when Jim Jones went up there, told the Dipset story. And then my favorite IG Live ever was when Cam went up there the following day and told the entire Dipset story. I thought we had heard every single version of how the last 25 years went about. There couldn't have been a single detail that was left out from both sides. Cam has been still holding on to certain things just in case they started beefing again. He left out the whole BMF shit in the last one, but that's.

[Damaris]

He changed. They chased that to the sand. That's not funny.

[Rory]

Then on top of that, it had.

[Mal]

Why are you laughing, Baby D? If it's not funny, why are you laughing?

[Damaris]

It's kids.

[Rory]

Cam is funny.

[Damaris]

Cam is funny. That's not funny. But Cam is funny. Saying they chase that to the beach.

[Mal]

Yeah, because that's crazy. That's the. Yo, I don't want to hear about that, though, man. Like, we were never supposed to learn about that.

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah, it's sad.

[Rory]

And then it had me thinking Because Mace is right next to Cam.

[Mal]

We watch them beef, and Mace ain't no better. He's sitting there with popcorn.

[Damaris]

Mace is the funniest part of the whole.

[Mal]

It's like, yo, come on, man. What is. What's going on, man?

[Rory]

This is the epitome and definition of Harlem that I know. Like this. This is a dictionary version. All three of them. In every action is how we view everyone from Harlem. Like, even Mason Cam, that beefed and made up for 20 years in their last beef with the diplomatic immunity shit they were bringing up. I was like, y'all be. For 20 years. How did I not know y'all was each other's sisters? How did I not know that you had someone in Bainbridge get Mace out of a car they are secretly holding on? What's the. The mean girls shit?

[Damaris]

Burn book.

[Rory]

I guarantee you there's a burn book in Harlem. And I cannot believe we're not at the last page yet. New shit comes out. Y'all been beat for 20 years, and I'm hearing new stories. This is crazy.

[Mal]

But see, But I look deeper into that type of. Because now I'm like, all right, was y'all niggas ever really friends?

[Damaris]

Friends? Yeah.

[Mal]

That's the. That's how I'm looking at it. Like, yo. Cause me and none of nobody that I call my friend, we can. We don't have nothing like that to say about each other. It ain't no nigga use it. It's none of that.

[Rory]

But some people would. Would argue that this is how actual family moves and not how friends move, that they're so deep into their friendship that this is some family.

[Mal]

Family don't move like this. Family would have been like. It would have been a phone call away from cameras and mics, like, yo, what the. What are you. What are you doing? How you mad at me for having 50 on? And you cool with every nigga you ever had beef with? It would have been that simple of a conversation. Like, wait, you mad at me for having 50 on my show, but you cool with everybody that you had as well?

[Damaris]

Listen, that's something that family. Rory, I get what you're saying, because the type of blows that they're throwing are family blows. But it would never be. It would never be public. It would never be public.

[Rory]

It would be public.

[Mal]

I can get it shaking in the backyard. We could toss this grill over and get this shit shaking in the backyard, but nobody outside of here gonna know about this.

[Rory]

I misspoke. Yes, you gu. Correct. That's how family moves behind closed doors. For sure, they don't put it out to the world. But these guys are public figures.

[Mal]

I don't care.

[Rory]

And we've definitely seen a lot of friends, family, everything that became public figures have their shit spew out into the world because they have a microphone in front of their face and because people care about their personal lives, man. There's shows, there's reality shows that are family.

[Mal]

Family is not supposed to allow each other on public.

[Rory]

I agree.

[Mal]

I don't. So if you family. Yeah. We could have a disagreement. You might say something on your platform that I don't like, but I'm gonna be on your phone about it. I'm not gonna be like, yo, like, set up the cameras like this. How he talking? All right, My new episode dropping Monday. We on him. What is that about?

[Damaris]

How do y'all feel about. One of the things that he said was that Jim is a liability. Cause everybody that come around him end up in jail. He shouted out your brother, actually. Did you hear that?

[Mal]

Yes.

[Damaris]

He shouted out your brother and Emerie. And the way that those things are handled over with Roc a fella.

[Mal]

So family. See the difference?

[Damaris]

Yeah. But what I'm saying is, how do you guys feel about that as far as when you become big and you become in this industry, and then suddenly the people around you, you're not. You're just, like, hyping them up to continue to be like OGs or people in the streets instead of giving them jobs, giving them opportunities.

[Rory]

I think it was a little unfair. And again, I do not know Cam and Jim's relationship of their entire life whatsoever. Only know certain things they've shown. When you say Emory and you say Biggs, those are two people that have been solidified businessmen and have shown that they want to be that. Now, I do not know Shadi. I do not know Mel Matrix. I do not know the other gentleman that he named. And I'm not going to say that that's not something you want to do. We watched Shadi attempt his best with the situation. He had to become a businessman. You can't have put that on Jim. That he has to control every single person around him. That may be known to get a little active on their own, with or without Jim Jones. That's a little unfair. Where Biggs is not running around saying treyway and running around with 6ix9ine doing all that type of shit. I saw what Cam was doing. I just thought it was such a false equivalence to what was going on. Emery came Emery got locked up for some shit he did 30 years before he got locked up. It just the conspiracy ended up that way. Emery was past that shit already. Like, he was moving on to be a businessman. Big's the same thing. Got caught up in some absolute bullshit that put him in jail. Was a businessman before and after. You can't compare that to Mel and Shotti and what was going on. And blame that on Jim for not putting them in a better position. To me, that's unfair. That's unfair.

[Mal]

I don't think you blame that. I think what Cam was probably trying to say is Jim is almost maybe, if not yet soon to be 50 years old, as most of these gentlemen are. I think what Cam was trying to say was, bro, you gotta change the way you move. You gotta change the company you keep.

[Rory]

And was also, you gotta like, he.

[Mal]

Should put them on, I mean, or create opportunities for. If these are your friends, create opportunities so that they don't have to move the same way that they moving. Everybody's grown now. Again, 50 years old. We can't be running around like we y ins and still running down on dudes and, you know, shaking dudes up and fighting and all. Like, we moving different now. Cam and Mace wearing suits every week. They on social media every week with suits on. They not. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, I think Cam is trying to say we have to evolve, we have to grow, we have to mature. Like, we can't be still running around like we kids anymore. So I think that's the gist of what Cam was trying to say.

[Rory]

And I don't think, I don't think. And I don't even think Cam was suggesting that Jim moves that way. Cause we've seen Jim for the last few years put out some of his best music. He's been super focused, super consistent. I think he's been doing great in his post. Like veteran, career wise, to the point of putting other people on. I find that hard to believe because we have, we've said countless times of artists that keep some of their friends around that clearly are not trying to change either. And we say to those artists, get rid of them. So you can't help someone that doesn't want to be helped. We don't know. Jim could have tried a thousand things with his people in the background. If they don't want to do it or they don't want to get focused, what is Jim supposed to do? If he continued to do it, all of the public would say, why didn't you cut them off? Clearly, they don't want to be here.

[Mal]

Yeah. But I think that it just falls back to Jim's response to Cam and Mace having 50 on it just crossed a line of respect. It became very disrespectful when I told y'all. It's the same as saying, you know, something that I don't even like saying. I don't even like playing with that type of shit. But once you say that and you talking to certain people, it's gonna go a whole different way. It's gonna go bad. And I knew that this response was gonna come. I knew that Cam was going, you know, go on his platform and say some things and expose some things to people that don't know, you know, the. The ins and outs of situations that happened in Harlem and throughout the years between these gentlemen. And now it's like everybody's hearing this, and everybody's gonna chime in and have their two cents. It's just unfortunate all the way around. And I don't like for it to seem like it's for entertainment, because we talking about real things that happened, real people that were affected, real people that can be affected. So for me, it's just not entertainment. It's not for people to say, yo can respond. And then everybody run online and kind of, you know, see what they was, what Cam is saying. Cause these are real. What I thought was family. These are guys that have known each other for years, grew up with each other. Well, you know, been in a lot of Cam.

[Damaris]

Cam said, I ain't grow up with you.

[Mal]

We got proof of these niggas being together since they was 20 something years old. Not saying how long before that. Younger, probably, but since they was. Cam and Mace definitely grew up together. Jim was around over 25, 30 years for sure. Maybe not 30, 25 years for sure. So I'm just like, you know, I get it. It's unfortunate, man.

[Rory]

It's cheap, cheap shots and back and forth, which Cam didn't really say much that we hadn't really heard, besides maybe the BMF stuff and a few other jokes here and there. But we've heard both sides of their story. Like, Jim was going to high school with Zeke, and that Cam grew up with Zeke, and that's how they met. Like, yes, they were not in the playpen together, but you don't have to be.

[Mal]

But if I. If we've been friends for 27 years, if we've been around each other, business, music, getting into fights and clubs and all this shit for 27 years, and we only approaching 50. God damn. I knew you more than half your life. That's more than half your life. Like, we've been in each other's lives. So at what point are we not family? At what point are we not, like, best friends? Like, I've known you for more than half your life. We've been together through some shit, made a lot of money together, made history together, did a lot of legendary shit together.

[Damaris]

Like, it gives frenemies, honestly to me.

[Mal]

But that's what I'm saying. So now when you start hearing shit like this, you gotta sit back and be like, yo, was y'all ever really cool? Like. Cause it sound like y'all just keeping tabs on friendship shit, passive aggressive.

[Rory]

Keep it to yourself while y'all cool. And then. And that's. We've talked about this with other people. Sometimes it's never even 50 going on the show. They was just waiting for something to say. So it's got nothing to do with 50 being on that show? No, it's just, yo, I had this on my heart, and now I have an opportunity.

[Mal]

No, it wasn't that. It was that line of respect that was crossed by Jim. Jim said what? He said.

[Rory]

No, I'm saying Jim said that not because 50 was on the show. He has had some resentment.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, for sure. 100%.

[Damaris]

But I don't even think, like. Like going back to the family shit. I don't even. I really don't think Cam. I don't think Cam's like, oh, this nigga invited me to his dick. Because I don't even think Cam looks at him like that. Like, even when he was talking about it, he didn't even bring. That gives like cousins that don't really like each other. But grandma said we gotta get along now. Grandma did.

[Mal]

No, it was that. It was that. It was that.

[Rory]

And both of them said at the end of their rants, yo, that's. That's my guy. It's no beef love. Like, will not love him. But they both said, I want the best fake.

[Mal]

You can't say that type of about me publicly. And they be like, but, nah. But you my man, though. No, I'm not.

[Rory]

But then, all right, you telling.

[Mal]

I got chased to the sand and all. We not friends no more. That was never supposed to get out. Well, but.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but. But.

[Rory]

But they've also had. And both these gentlemen are way tougher than me. They've both had the runoff competition between the Rucker, between BMF Both of them have said the other person has ran anytime they was trying to fight, which is just like, somebody give me the third party story of both of these situations, because both y'all resort to that. And Cam, who I love when he rants, he's one of the best ever at it, especially out of rappers. The guy he's sitting next to, when they were beefing, said, you not from Harlem. You from Jacksonville, Ms. Jacksonville, Florida. I was like, all right, Now, Mace is from Jacksonville, Florida, when they went.

[Mal]

To high school together.

[Rory]

So, like, this whole, yo, Jimmy, you from the Bronx. I'm like, okay, so now what?

[Mal]

The Bronx is two minutes from Harlem.

[Rory]

That's why I never over the bridge.

[Mal]

I never understood that. Yo, you ain't from Harlem. From the Bronx, all right, fam?

[Rory]

But that's Harlem arrogance, which I love. That's why we love Harlem, because they have that ego and arrogance. So I get why they think their section. Like, everyone wants to be from Harlem. And, like, if you're from the Bronx, you're not even part of this.

[Mal]

Listen, I grew up in the Bronx, lived in the Bronx. My family's from Harlem. I went to school in Harlem. So when people ask me, where you from? I say, uptown, bro. I'm from the Bronx.

[Damaris]

Makes sense.

[Mal]

I got family in Harlem. My family's still in Harlem. I went to school in Harlem. I got a bunch of friends in Harlem. I still get my hair cut in Harlem. I go to some. Some of my favorite restaurants in Harlem. I still walk through Harlem almost every day. But what I'm. I'm gonna say, somebody gonna say, I'm not from Harlem because I lived in the Bronx. I grew up. It's like, what are we talking about?

[Damaris]

You're not from Harlem. You're from the Bronx.

[Mal]

But if I want to say. But if I want to say I'm from Harlem, can't nobody argue that. Who gonna argue that? Where you went to school at Hunt? 27th in Madison.

[Rory]

And what was.

[Mal]

So, like, what are we saying? Where your family from? Hunt? 14th Manhattan Avenue. My mom's went to Watley High School. Like, my pop still lives in Harlem. My brothers live in Harlem. Like, cousins, friends. Everybody's still in Harlem. So I just never understood that, because again, you're talking to somebody that. I seen both sides of that, where it's like, okay, if don't want to say I'm not from Harlem, cool. I'm not forcing that. But they go, if you ask from Harlem, and they say, somebody said Marlboro, I'm like, yeah, ain't nobody gonna say I'm not from Harlem. So I never understood this. Jim is from Harlem. He from Weeks Ave in the Bronx. Do you know how close Weeks Ave is to Harlem? Like, do you know that's not even 10 minutes away? Like, what do we. I just never understood that, bro. I never understood it.

[Rory]

Do you think we get a Hell Rel response again of, you can't bring up Weeks Ave without Hell Row? Why would Cam do that? Because that was the last. Hellrell listened to two hours of content and said, why didn't he say Hellrell's name a week's. I was like, I don't think that was the topic.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Was Hell Rao a big artist in New York?

[Rory]

Yeah. He had a. His moment.

[Damaris]

Okay. Because he was, like, big in Syracuse. Like, they were. Like, when I was. They listened to a lot of Hell Row.

[Rory]

The more. The music. More than music mixtape series. I thought Hell Ro outshined everybody on that shit.

[Mal]

He had a time.

[Rory]

Had his time.

[Mal]

He has some. He has some joints, and he has.

[Rory]

One of the greatest YouTube clips of all time. When he was telling us he was shooting four movies, had a Maserati, only one in the world, and then just kept calling us stupid. You don't think. You don't think I'm an A list actor? Stupid? Like, no, I didn't know, bro. I'm. My bad. I got. I have one of one Maserati.

[Mal]

Stupid Internet, man. Because you could just play back that happened years ago and be like, yo, remember this? Like, what you was what. He was trying to take us with this rant.

[Rory]

He's sitting there playing, like, Dreamcast in the projects. I'm like, I didn't know, man. I'm sorry. What was also funny how you kind of knew it was more family. Back to the who's from Harlem, who's from the Bronx. Cam said, jim, you. You from the Bronx. Your grandmother lived in East Harlem. And then he said, I'm really from Harlem. 142nd street, where my grandmother lived. But then Cam lived with his mom in 1199. It just all contradicted itself, bro. You can't claim his grandmother's house, but you can.

[Mal]

That situation is so. It's. I mean, listen, I get it. But on the other hand, it's just like, yo, what are we talking about?

[Rory]

That's why I said on the last episode, I know where this is going. We're gonna get the same shit. I would rather them be friends again and just get music. Because even though I laughed this morning.

[Damaris]

No, this is way funnier than any music they gonna put out.

[Rory]

Well, funny, yeah. I mean, funny, but it's entertaining.

[Damaris]

This is more entertaining.

[Mal]

That's what. But at what expense?

[Damaris]

Nah, no, see, and I know that there's real behind it, but I'm never. I. I hope everybody pisses Cam off. I hope y'all piss Cam off.

[Mal]

Why?

[Damaris]

Because here it can go off is hilarious. Like, I could watch.

[Mal]

Yeah, but nobody walked into the office.

[Damaris]

And I was cackling, just sitting here by myself. Cackling, laughing.

[Rory]

Okay, I have a way for us to start some beef. Even though we defended Cam and Mace, I felt like it was a personal shot. When he shouted out biggs, he said, look what Biggs doing right now. You got St. John. He's working with drink champs. Biggs, our manager, too. Why you. Yo, Cam, I'm looking. Which camera? Cam looking right. Right at you. That was a personal shot, wasn't it? You said Biggs got St. John and drink champs like Biggs, not my manager, too. Yo, that was a personal shot, Cam. I know that.

[Mal]

I mean, I know you listen to.

[Rory]

His podcast every day. You know who we are.

[Mal]

Cam listening to this every day is hilarious. Cam definitely do not listen us every day.

[Rory]

And Cam definitely knows that Biggs works with us because he keeps up with that.

[Damaris]

I don't even think Cam, like, has ever seen this podcast at all. I'm pretty sure.

[Mal]

Nah, he's seen it, but he ain't watching it every day. But either way, I just want.

[Rory]

Cam don't get Benner's email up in my bio. Big Biggs is there, too.

[Mal]

Listen, man, don't. I just hope Jim. Cam, please, man, for the sake of just everything that y'all have built over the years, man, just hash this shit out. I don't want to hear no more. I know Jim is going to respond, if he hasn't already. Why are we recording this? I just don't want it. I don't want to know nothing else about the shit we not supposed to know about.

[Damaris]

I get that.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's all.

[Mal]

I don't want to know nothing about that. Like, I don't want to hear it.

[Damaris]

Jim saved Elliot. Jim doing that saved Elliot.

[Mal]

Oh, no. They going. They going. They going. They going to parlay some of that for Elliot. Don't think that that ain't coming.

[Rory]

I was told Elliot was supposed to be on this episode, so I don't know if they canceled because Cam walked.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, that was ISO. That was ISO. Like, yo, Elliot, we'll get to you.

[Rory]

I'm on Jomo time and Jomo time only.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah, we'll get to you, Elliot.

[Damaris]

And the green room waiting. And Cam said not.

[Mal]

Fuck that. Nah. Yeah, this is to the. This is the solo. We gonna air this, you know, ISO. And this is just my response episode. But all jokes aside, Jim, Cam, love what y'all have built for the culture, which I added to the culture over the years. Please, man. I just. You know, this is a new year. We just. Damn. It's only two weeks into the new year.

[Rory]

Shit.

[Mal]

Wow. It just. Everybody just chill, relax, Love each other, hug each other. God damn. Take a vacation or something.

[Rory]

And Jim knows he's always welcome up here if you want to get some shit off.

[Mal]

No, no, see, see, look. Look how fast.

[Rory]

I have a good relationship with him.

[Mal]

To get some shit off.

[Rory]

I have a good relationship with Jim.

[Mal]

If Jim come up here, we gonna read the fucking Quran. We gonna fucking.

[Rory]

He's not even Muslim.

[Mal]

I don't care. We gonna peace. We gonna make peace, man. It ain't no gift.

[Rory]

Well, first of all, Jim always has an open an invite up here regardless. He knows that.

[Mal]

But don't say to get your off. Cause nah, we not.

[Damaris]

Yeah, don't do that.

[Mal]

Don't do it.

[Rory]

Well, first of all, Jim just put out a record still in Harlem, which I think is great. So, yeah, Jim come up here to plug that record. And clearly he has music coming.

[Mal]

Say that. Don't say that. Get your shit off like you want him to come up here and start talking about Cam and Mace. Don't do that, Ma.

[Rory]

I have went to the depths of Harlem to bop my head off beat for Jim Jones. That's my guy. I love Jim. So he could come up here to do whatever pause he'd like. It doesn't have to be on some beef shit.

[Mal]

But yeah, no, no beef. We don't want no beef.

[Damaris]

But if he did want to do that, I'm gonna turn the cameras on because I'm just gonna do my job. I'm gonna just do my job.

[Mal]

Oh, man.

[Rory]

No, Like, I'd be remiss to say, yes, I would like him to come up here to plug the new record, which is great.

[Mal]

Let's talk music.

[Rory]

It's still viral.

[Mal]

Let's talk building.

[Rory]

I would say, yo, speaking of Harlem.

[Mal]

I was building Harlem up. Let's talk. You know what I mean? Putting the kids in school and doing back to school shit for the kids.

[Rory]

Harlem, stick together, community.

[Mal]

Harlem over everything, you ho.

[Rory]

That sounds like a New real estate spot that they renamed. Yeah, you ho.

[Mal]

Yeah, you ho. Harlem over everything, man. Stick together. Harlem stick together, man. Let's get more of that.

[Rory]

And I feel like Cam and Jim should not be beefing if they're giving LiAngelo Ball $13 million for a song.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's the shit they should be ranting about. LiAngelo Ball signs a $8 million deal. You hating.

[Damaris]

Cause now it sound like you hating.

[Mal]

I hate what they're doing. I hate what they're doing to the culture that I love.

[Rory]

Rory is.

[Mal]

Yes. I hate what they're doing.

[Rory]

They've been doing this to the culture we all love way before liangelo Ball.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

They have been giving these people.

[Mal]

I'm not saying it's his fault. I'm not saying it's the first one. I said I hate what they're doing to the culture that I love. Not saying this is the only one.

[Rory]

Have done. Doing and going to continue exactly what Pete said.

[Mal]

Haven't. What? Haven't. Not having a clue what they're doing to our culture. I haven't a clue what they're doing to our.

[Rory]

They're chunky. We're smooth.

[Mal]

Oh, my God. LiAngelo Ball signs an $8 million deal with DEF Jam.

[Rory]

Yes. So the rumors came out from a tweet which was somewhat confirmed. Langelo Ball signs a deal with Def Jam and Universal Music Group. A representative from the label Born to Ball obviously says the deal is worth as much as 13 million with 8 million guaranteed, and gives Ball full ownership of music and his own record label. Because Mall and I are super music industry insiders. I was told that the deal is 5 million and an $8 million publishing deal, which I know that equals up to 13 million, but I don't think any pub company is giving $8 million up front.

[Mal]

No.

[Rory]

For one song.

[Mal]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Rory]

Or I don't even care what you have in the 8 million up front. I don't know about that. I can see him getting a $5 million deal with DEF Jam at this point, though, upfront. I can see that. I can. And. And I was told from somebody that Republic, which is under Universal, had to buy the deal and then gave it to Def Jam because things are so rough. They had to take funding from Republic to get this deal done.

[Damaris]

Damn.

[Mal]

So I hate what they're doing to the culture. Def Jam, you're cooked. Just put that out there.

[Rory]

Let's not say no.

[Damaris]

You really what now?

[Mal]

Def Jam is cooked.

[Rory]

Let's not say Def Jam is cooked.

[Mal]

Def Jam is cooked.

[Damaris]

What do you you really seem to like? Out of all the God awful records that have gone viral over the past three, four years that I've been podcasting with you, this one really seems to make your nipples chap. And I don't understand why you have like such a true dis. Cause this one isn't even bad. Like this is actually a good song. No, it's not real hip hop, man. That trash the hot boys would have, man.

[Mal]

No, it don't.

[Damaris]

Oh, you don't like Wayne?

[Mal]

No, it don't. No, that's not it.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I'm saying look at the overarching thing here. They're taking people that are just having a viral moment on the Internet, giving them a deal like this, a record deal like this. They're not going to recoup this.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mal]

If you think how they gonna recoup this?

[Damaris]

I'm sure that's a that deal. How are they gonna recoup 180?

[Mal]

How are they gonna recoup recoup this?

[Rory]

You don't think let's say with Pub an $8 million deal, which again I don't think he got up front, but let's say it is actually an $8 million deal. You don't think with what we were even predicting as far as this ending up in NBA playoff shit, this ending up with a lot of brand deals that they can't make up $8 million on this song when they outright own it. Because I also don't believe the last part of that tweet. There's no way Def Jam or Universal or Republic is putting up $5 million for your deal and you own that music outright. I think it's just, it's not a licensing deal in my opinion. I don't know. It's just a regular ass record deal, which is cool. You get your money up front and you'll get a split at the end. But I don't think he owns his music. Obviously doesn't own his pub if he's selling it. But yes, this record can make $8 million easily for sure. Easily for sure. Just off, just off the playoffs if it gets something like that. They're making 8 million easy with that.

[Mal]

Pub just by playing it going into commercial in the playoffs.

[Damaris]

Do you know how much money.

[Mal]

Do you know how many niggas have had their song played on that shit? That ain't making no $8 million.

[Rory]

I would say deals like that, with the sync deals that that is going to end up getting? Yes. I think that song Will make up the 8 million pub. And I think LiAngelo might be upset that he sold his pub for $8.

[Damaris]

Million, because I think that he can make another one. I definitely think that he can make another song. If he stays with that formula, that will be. That will do well, definitely.

[Rory]

And let's say. Let's say when they did the pub deal, they own the actual instrumental and beat. You know how many people are already probably, if not recorded a remix to that, which goes against that same pub deal. They're making that $8 million back, which is. I mean, it's good business. Now, if they want to sink more money into a liangelo ball to ball joint venture, I can't speak to that because I don't. I don't know. You know, their pops. Ear for music. I don't know. I don't know if that's really a thing, but he got a.

[Mal]

He got an eye for athletes. I'll give him that. Vol Ball got an eye for athletes.

[Damaris]

But if he was bopping his head to this in the studio, that nigga is. I don't know.

[Rory]

But you also have to realize, too, yeah, major labels have revenge.

[Mal]

See, y'all about to.

[Damaris]

He said his ear for music.

[Mal]

I know what Baby D trying to do. I know she tried to piss me off. All right, go ahead. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to.

[Rory]

Also, we talk about the 360 deal, which we used to know to be that the label eats off music. Merch shows everything, right? They have revamped that for all their artists to fit the times. They could be eating off any appearance LiAngelo does. Anytime he performs that at, let's say, NBA All Star weekend. Anything LiAngelo does, he may have signed on the dotted line. So, yeah, I think they could make up the 5 million in just a LiAngelo Ball album based off the money he'll make outside of his celebrity. Like, I know those numbers sound insane, but if you get into the nitty gritty of what one song can do when you own it, there is money in music. Everyone says there's no money in music because the labels own it. Have you ever heard a major label or anyone from Spotify say there's no money in music?

[Damaris]

No, no.

[Rory]

It's artists that get fucked that say there's no money in music. So a $5 million deal up front, I mean, good for LiAngelo, but I think the label's making their money back on that, and I think with the punk.

[Mal]

So you think it was a good.

[Rory]

Deal for the label.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

And I mean, congrats to LiAngelo.

[Mal]

But, yeah, I never. I'm not hating on L'Angelo. I just. That shit is not. Cause then we gonna get up here and complain when the album is trash, when you don't know how to perform that, though we've seen this already. We sat here and fucking laughed Ice Spice off the stage. On her first performance, she didn't look comfortable. After her record went viral and she had a hit, we laughed at her. We had to watch her artist development in real time, go through trial and error in real time on stage, become the laughingstock of the Internet. All she's doing is bending over, twerking. She don't even look like she's happy to be on stage. Her album is trash, like, all of these things.

[Damaris]

But you could also compare that with Glorilla, because Glorilla had a hit viral song that was crazy and people were saying was ass or it wasn't that good. Real hip hop heads. And then she's come and made a hit after hit after hit after hit. So, yes, it could go to Ice Spice way, but it could also go that way, too. You don't know Liange.

[Mal]

All right, so you on the side of this may go the Glorilla way.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

You think this will go Glorilla way?

[Damaris]

I don't think it's going to go the glowrilla way, but I'm saying I don't think he has one.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Damaris]

I don't think he's just.

[Rory]

I think Glorilla might hop on the record.

[Mal]

Listen, I'm open to being wrong. I'm open to being wrong.

[Rory]

Do you think Munch made over 8 million in pub?

[Damaris]

Oh, for sure.

[Mal]

Yeah, for sure.

[Rory]

And of course, Munch is, as of now, is bigger than this record. I'm not trying to compare or discredit Ice Spice. Even though I do that a lot. I'm not about to pretend like Munch didn't make her and the label a shit ton of money, right? But yeah, singles. That's why all these labels are completely focused on singles right now. Because that is what is driving revenue. The same way you're saying.

[Mal]

And that's what's killing they're saying this viral shit, and that's what's killing music.

[Rory]

Can I introduce you to Atlantic Records the last seven years?

[Mal]

That's what's killing music.

[Rory]

Oh, I agree.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

What the fuck?

[Mal]

All right. I'm just saying. Just say it. That's all.

[Rory]

I like this Langelo Ball song a lot, but if I'm not About to sit here and say it's great for music.

[Mal]

Okay. That's all.

[Rory]

It's a good song.

[Mal]

I started with. I hate what this is doing to the culture. Is that not what I said?

[Damaris]

But there's a difference.

[Rory]

But you got to talk to Mike Karen about that, not us.

[Mal]

No, I'm talking to my audience.

[Damaris]

This. There's a difference between this being. It's not bad for music, but it's also not good for music. Like, it's not.

[Mal]

This is bad for music. It is.

[Rory]

He said it's like Jake Paul boxing, though.

[Damaris]

You do you think the virality of it or the song itself? Because this song doesn't sound like nothing we haven't been dancing to since the 2000s. Like, I don't think the song is some awful song that like my. My Pink, My Booty Hole Brown. That was awful for music. That was awful for music. This is actually.

[Rory]

That's because she's a CIA agent and it was planted.

[Damaris]

I actually like this song a lot. And that's not me, like, pretending to like this song. I actually do like the song and a lot of people actually do like it. It reminds me of I used to listen to when I was in middle school. So I don't think that people don't like this song.

[Mal]

They see people liking this song and they feel like they like this song. People don't like this song, Ma.

[Damaris]

Just because you don't like it doesn't matter.

[Mal]

It ain't just me. That's what I'm trying to say. It ain't just me.

[Damaris]

You.

[Mal]

A lot of people that don't like this song. It ain't no older. I know young people. That ain't with. With this song. That ain't. They like, turn that off. This ain't hot. It's just not hot. It's not a dope record.

[Damaris]

Okay, Just.

[Mal]

Cause it sounds like the Hot Boys is like, oh, we. What does that mean?

[Rory]

Then I'll ask you this question. When do you think Universal has had their priority be what's good for music?

[Mal]

I mean, we've been away from that for some years now, but that's. Again, that's my point. I hate what they're doing to the culture and the music that I love. I hate what the business and the labels are doing to the culture and the business that I love. That's what I started with. I started with that.

[Rory]

Yeah. I think what Tamaris and I are trying to say is we're trying to be optimistic because we've seen way worse Records get bigger deals that were way worse than this for music.

[Mal]

Name one.

[Rory]

What's the chick that was on Dr. Phil? Bad baby Bhad Bhababy got the same budget as a popping cardi B at Atlantic Records. Yeah, I thought that was awful for music. Way worse.

[Mal]

I don't even know what records way.

[Rory]

Worse than LiAngelo Ball.

[Mal]

Who.

[Rory]

Who by the way, I get why a Republic, Universal, Def Jam, all of them would invest in this at the price point that they did. Because we get his pops. We've seen his pops. Whatever you want to say about him is one of the better marketers that we've seen in the entertainment business when it comes to his. His kids.

[Damaris]

Rory. She. She had a one million dollar deal.

[Rory]

She didn't have a. I'm talking about the budget and the money they put behind her. Yeah, I'm not saying what they advanced her.

[Damaris]

She had Megan the stallion, Lil Baby and Ty Dollar sign on her first album.

[Mal]

Yeah, clickbait.

[Rory]

She. She was on Dr. Phil cursing her mother out.

[Mal]

But what if they got. What if they. What if.

[Rory]

What if they got the clock for her only fans money?

[Mal]

What if they got some of her only fans money?

[Rory]

I listen, I'm not saying there wasn't some in perpetuity deal where everyone's like she. There's no way she made 40 million. Maybe she did and only saw 4 million of it. I don't know what Mike Karen put.

[Damaris]

Her under get only fans money off now. That's sick. There's no way.

[Rory]

Maybe that's why Lucian's son took over at Atlantic. The only thing keeping lights on is their percentage of the only fans money. I don't know. But I know for a fact that that's what a lot of labels are doing with their 360s. It's not just the. The main points that lior created everything that you do. Shit. My first deal, I didn't put my first album out on a major, but my first deal with EO Child and our joint venture was with Island. When I went in there to get a budget for my project they asked me for in perpetuity. We have rights to any podcast that you do.

[Damaris]

Are you serious?

[Rory]

I laughed like, like out loud. Of course. But that's not rare anymore because so many of these artists are content creators and their brands are more important than their music. If you don't think that the labels are not eating off every single thing they do, that's the new 360. It's not your show money, your festival money. That's Peanuts to them. It's your celebrity. We own every bit of your celebrity. So you don't think the balls have celebrity value?

[Mal]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

So that's the joint venture here. This ball to bowl means they just probably created that LLC yesterday. Like they're investing in the balls. Pause.

[Damaris]

Same.

[Rory]

Also, Lord Jamar called me gay because I don't believe in the flat earth. That means I'm just invest. Like I just like balls because I think the earth is a globe. So he's. I'm just. I just have on my brain. I just got. I got balls in my brain. Okay, we'll get to that later. I can't wait. But yeah, congrats to L'Angelo. Yeah.

[Damaris]

Shout out to him and his daddy. His daddy worked hard for his kid to be both his kids to be good hard working men.

[Rory]

And see, this is another. We have to bring this back up.

[Mal]

Hard working men. These play basketball.

[Rory]

I feel like I need to snitch on more real.

[Damaris]

You think basketball players don't work hard? You literally do nothing but hang around.

[Mal]

He's not even. What does that mean?

[Damaris]

You know, that they work hard.

[Rory]

Wait, what's the definition of mamba mentality?

[Mal]

The fuck are you talking about? Everybody ain't Kobe.

[Rory]

Facts.

[Mal]

Liangelo not even playing ball. What the fuck are we talking about?

[Damaris]

He said that he was a hard working ballplayer.

[Rory]

That ever worked hard.

[Mal]

Y'all are crazy, man.

[Damaris]

I said he was a hard working man. He worked hard on this record.

[Mal]

Yeah. All right, man. All right, though. All right, man. Okay. 20. I told y'all 20, 25. I'm listening to all lies, man. Go ahead, get it off.

[Rory]

And I have to snitch on you. The same group chat we were in that I was talking about last episode. We had another debate that I didn't bring up. We had the father versus I think lavar ball. And this is going to sound fucked up. I don't really think this is for debating purposes. Lavar Ball is a better father than LeBron when it comes to the kids and what they're doing. You said LeBron smokes him. I don't know where you got that from. LaVar is three for three.

[Mal]

Okay. And Braun will be. He only has two boys. Both of them gonna play in the NBA.

[Rory]

All right, so LaVar, his youngest, is one of the most elite point guards in the league. He's not just some guy that got drafted 55th and went to the D league. Oh, see the other one outside of the UCLA and being drafted to the Lakers. God knows how Much money they made.

[Mal]

Peach. Can you tell me how much lavar ball average when he played basketball? Yeah.

[Rory]

Triple Doubles don't make you a better father.

[Mal]

Him, him, him. Let's talk about him. While he was a father, he averaged.

[Damaris]

2.2 points a game.

[Mal]

All right, so let's go. So let's move forward now. What happened?

[Rory]

So now we're going to pretend like he wouldn't give Michael Jordan a run for his money because Michael too small.

[Mal]

All right, man, here we go. See, we just saying anything now.

[Rory]

He said that.

[Mal]

20, 25. Get it off. Get your lies off, man. Say whatever. Fuck it.

[Rory]

You don't think everything he did with his oldest with. From UCLA to the marketing around his shoe to what he did with Lakers to then go to LiAngelo that has a potential $13 million deal with a major label to then his youngest being an elite point guard in the NBA is not a fucking incredible foot when it comes to incredible fathering.

[Mal]

Incredible. You ain't gonna get.

[Rory]

Everyone called him crazy.

[Mal]

You ain't gonna. Incredible. I'm with you.

[Rory]

And I get it. LeBron's son was in Space Jam 2, but I just don't think it matches up.

[Mal]

Either way, man. I. You know, listen, man, get your shit off. Congrats to liangelo. We just gonna have to wait and see, I guess, man. I think the record is. Is not a good record, but, I mean, I get the whole Internet, everybody trying to seem like they like it together, and we're all making videos, playing it in the background together. Like, I get it.

[Damaris]

You really. I. I do not know how you can't fathom that somebody can like something that you don't like.

[Mal]

No, I get that there's a bunch of people like a bunch of shit. I don't. And then years later, you'd be like, yo, man, when you like that record and look like got egg on their face like y shaking ass to that.

[Rory]

So there's plenty of songs I liked in the moment and then moved on. What's wrong with that?

[Mal]

How. How fast did you move on?

[Rory]

I don't care if it was one summer. I love that record that summer, and I've moved. That's music.

[Mal]

That's trash music.

[Rory]

That's what separates trash. That's what separates. And this doesn't have to be a transition into the Billboard 21st century list, but that's the difference between those artists and people that have a moment. You don't like. You don't think that we didn't love summer 2014 because of Bobby Shmurda. You don't think we loved summer 2010 because of Trinidad James? Like, these were still staples in our lives? I don't think we moved the fuck on.

[Mal]

I don't think this record is anywhere close to those records.

[Rory]

We don't know yet. It's been out for two weeks.

[Mal]

We knew as soon as we heard Hot Shit what that was going on.

[Rory]

That's not true. That was a slower burn than just because you were there and in the moment. You have to remember that a lot of us, just because we pay attention so much to this shit thinking. Think that everyone thought it was hot right away. That was a slow burn. It was okay.

[Damaris]

Panda was an automatic kit as I bring up once every three episodes. Just want to put that out there.

[Mal]

Panda was what, an automatic hit as soon as you heard it.

[Damaris]

Instant classic.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

Also took some time, though.

[Mal]

I'm gonna take. Yeah, I'm gonna delete this song. Every time I see it on my timeline, I'm mute. I'm muting somebody. Get this out of here. Hit his.

[Rory]

When was the last time?

[Mal]

Well, congrats. I ain't hating on nobody getting the.

[Rory]

Bag about a record like that.

[Mal]

Huh?

[Rory]

I'm with Damaris. There has to be, like, a personal reason behind this. There's been so much quote, unquote, shitty music that came out that we just. Yeah, that's cool. For the party.

[Mal]

No, I'm just. I'm voicing the fact that people like. That's all.

[Rory]

Oh, I wouldn't agree with you there.

[Mal]

Y'all like people like. It is what it is.

[Rory]

I like a lot.

[Mal]

Yeah, I get it. I don't. Is all I'm saying.

[Damaris]

I swear on that corner. Whoa, whoa.

[Mal]

That's all. You know you can't give me nothing else after that.

[Rory]

Yes, I can.

[Mal]

That's TikTok shit.

[Rory]

You know how many.

[Mal]

That's why Steve Lacey threw mics at y'all ass at the show.

[Damaris]

See, he throw no mic at me.

[Rory]

Ah, so you're saying L'Angelo Ball is like Steve Lacey?

[Mal]

No, that's not what I'm saying.

[Rory]

A trained musician.

[Mal]

A trained musician. I'm saying y'all are like the fans at the Steve Lacy show. That's what I'm saying.

[Rory]

You're saying that the Internet and liangelo Ball should do a collab album.

[Mal]

No. See how fast I answered that? No, that's not what I'm saying, Period.

[Rory]

You're suggesting you should be celibate for.

[Mal]

Two and a half years, shout out to Redman. I saw that. Redman. He's been celibate for two and a half years. The legendary Redman. And he said it's the best thing that he ever did in his life. He's been fasting from sex and smoking. Something that I thought none of us would ever think that Redman would do was fast from smoking. But I think that's dope, man. I think it's good to fast from things that you may feel like you abuse or do too much of. And it's good. It's good to kind of get that out your system for a while.

[Rory]

It's funny, I. I thought it was like, algorithm shit. The other day, I was catching up on the Victory Podcast, which is a podcast about Entourage. It's with the creator and then Drama and E. And they had Vince on the podcast a while ago, but I'm playing catch up. And what's Vince's real name? I don't want to just call him Vince Adrian something. I forgot. So he was on there, and he was saying that he was going through the semen retention phase of his life, where he went six months and then I think he went another eight months or something like that. And he was. The way he was describing it was all that little energy that comes of why it feels so good to come, more or less. That's. It feels like a small part of energy, but it's a huge part of the energy that's in your body that you are giving to this moment, whether it's beaten off or retaining that energy to go into other things in your life. He felt it immediately. Like when he stopped and coming. He took. His focus was different. His energy was different. All of that orgasmic feeling went to more positive things in his life. And he's not. He wasn't on this like you should not. He was like, I just needed to do a reset, and then I went back, you know, to fucking.

[Mal]

Yeah, but if you don't fuck or bust a nut for two and a half years, you better do shit Elon is doing.

[Damaris]

Duh, Maul.

[Mal]

Yeah. You gotta create some shit that's gonna change the world. Don't just tell me you ain't fuck first of all. And busting nothing. Two and a half years.

[Rory]

His MTV Cribs episode changed the world.

[Mal]

Red man.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Oh, no, I'm not talking about Red man. I'm talking about in general. Like, if you.

[Rory]

He didn't go two and a half minutes without busting in that house.

[Mal]

No, but Redman is saying he went two and a half years with no sex. He didn't say he. He wasn't masturbating. It's a difference.

[Rory]

Fair.

[Mal]

It's a difference is all I'm saying. Two and a half years of no sex. Cool. Two and a half years and you didn't bust a nut. I feel like you got to show me what it. Where you place that energy. Like, what. What. Show me. It got to be some tangible.

[Rory]

He's been putting out music.

[Damaris]

You can use it to manifest, like, go ahead.

[Mal]

No, land it.

[Damaris]

I'm. I'm trying. Listen, so when you're thinking about, like, having sex and stuff, like, you can edge yourself and, like, send all that, like, energy into the universe. About, like, saying, like, I want money or I want to manifest a new job or I want to manifest. You know, you can do that with yourself.

[Mal]

So, baby, do you go. You going to play with yourself? Edge yourself to the point of orgasm, but stop right before you do it and let.

[Damaris]

No, I'm a. Release all my energy into the manifestation. But you can also do it the edging way, too.

[Rory]

Manifesting during sex. That's what you're saying?

[Damaris]

No, not even first of all, but.

[Mal]

Imagine having sex with a girl. She about to come. She's like, oh, my God, I needed $200 million.

[Rory]

Like, it's like, wait, wait, what if that's her process? Have you ever had to, like, talk a woman through a nut? Those conversations can get interesting.

[Mal]

You have never talked a woman through a nut. And it was manifestation.

[Rory]

Maybe never know. I don't know what she was thinking while I was talking her through the nut.

[Mal]

No, but you got a manifestation. Stay it out. Right? You got to put it out into the. When you manifest, you have to say it, right? Yeah.

[Damaris]

You got to say it.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

So she would have said what she was manifesting. We're just gonna think it.

[Rory]

We're just gonna roll over that. Baby D just accused me of rape.

[Damaris]

That's not rape.

[Mal]

Wait, what?

[Damaris]

That's not rape.

[Mal]

What?

[Rory]

I'm mad we just let that slide, right?

[Mal]

I didn't hear.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah. Manifest that for me right there. I didn't hear what she said.

[Mal]

I'm sorry. I didn't hear what she said. My bad.

[Damaris]

No, but some, you know, girls have thought that before when somebody's on top of them and just. Oh, get off.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah. No, like, inconsensual sex. I've. Get a woman on top of me. Like, man, this. We should end this.

[Damaris]

Yeah, get off.

[Rory]

This is not working.

[Mal]

Get off me is crazy. Imagine you can hear her thought and she. You hear that?

[Rory]

I'm sure there's been worse thoughts that you wouldn't want to hear about.

[Mal]

Your performance off me is crazy. But let's not say a whole like, yo, walk. Everything about you, your haircut look different after, you know, girls, everything, nothing looks the same. Life is never the same after you hear a girl thinking, get off me.

[Rory]

I mean, we saw what it did to Mel Gibson.

[Mal]

He ain't did a movie.

[Rory]

That was a what women want joke, if anyone got it.

[Mal]

No, that was a classic movie. Classic movie Melbourne going crazy.

[Rory]

But Redman did put out Muddy Waters 2 at the end of last year. Like, it's like 32 records, which is fire. Yeah, that may have taken two and a half years.

[Damaris]

32 records.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

That got a lot of energy.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So it worked.

[Mal]

Listen, I love Red Man.

[Rory]

And it could have been. It doesn't always have to be for the world.

[Mal]

I love Red Man. One of my favorite ever. I'm not listening to 32 songs. I'm not doing it crazy. I'm not doing it. I still ain't listening to all three of those albums that the dream. Remember the Dream dropped three. Three albums in one. I'm still on album two. And that came out five years ago. Yeah, it's just too much. I'm not listening to all of that.

[Rory]

I mean, but Red's got features on here to help you get through it. Like, people we want to hear from 30. Naughty by nature, Queen Latifah, Shout out to Dog Chic is on here. Faith Evans, Kid Capri, of course, Method Man. Like, I. I liked it. I got through it.

[Mal]

32 songs.

[Rory]

I don't know. I'm not putting all 32. You got krs one here. I didn't put all 32 on like my current playlist, but there's, there's joints.

[Mal]

Joint this Red man.

[Rory]

Like, I appreciate that Red man sacrificed a large part of everyone's life nutting to deliver this album.

[Mal]

Nah, real talk. It's, you know, we joking, having fun. But Red man, that's. That's. That's amazing for Red Man. Fast from smoking and, and, and having sex, though. Shout out to Red.

[Rory]

Let's. Let's bring back the scenario. Let's do a little callback.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

We both agreed to Eiffel Tower, Martha Stewart for 1.5. Two and a half years. No coming. 1.5.

[Mal]

Not don't come for two and a half years for 1.5 million.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Can I still have sex though? I'm a woman, so I'm sorry, I think of this differently. Can I still have sex? I just can't. Orgasm.

[Rory]

Nah, Just. This is. No. No beating off no sex, no no nothing for two and a half years.

[Mal]

Baby D ain't gonna make it. She ain't gonna make it. Baby D not gonna make it. She gonna be so mad she ain't get that 1.5.

[Damaris]

Do I get increments? Like, are there benchmarks? Like, if I hit a year, can I get a mil?

[Mal]

No. No. Two and a half years, no sex, no orgasm, no masturbation. 1.5 million. Do you think you could do it and be honest with yourself?

[Rory]

I mean, according to Fox News or Fox Sports, she could make triple that if she keeps fucking two and a half years.

[Damaris]

Now, I would fuck Skip Bayless before I would go two and a half years.

[Rory]

That was only one day for that 1.5.

[Mal]

You said you would still.

[Damaris]

I will fuck Skip Bayless. But if I had gun in my head. Fuck Skip Bayless For 1.5 or not be able to have an orgasm for 2 1/2 years, I'll fuck Skip Bis.

[Mal]

Okay, that's honest.

[Rory]

I'm taking. Coming, like, in a heartbeat with Skip Bis.

[Mal]

What?

[Damaris]

Oh, I thought we. I thought we had the same scenario.

[Mal]

No, we don't.

[Rory]

The scenario was not having sex or beating off for two and a half years.

[Damaris]

Oh, okay.

[Rory]

I'm saying I would take that over the 1.5 million. I can find other ways to make 1.5 million and continue to o talk.

[Damaris]

Your.

[Rory]

Okay, I don't have 1.5 in two and a half years. I can make that.

[Damaris]

I had some dick that motivated me to go rob 1.5.

[Mal]

She had dick that motivated her to go get 1.5.

[Damaris]

Dead ass. Like, let's be fiscally responsible here. For real.

[Mal]

I had dick that motivated me.

[Rory]

Calling that fiscally responsible.

[Damaris]

Like, let me earn the 1.5. Let me, you know, go out there into the workforce. I don't just want it just for doing nothing.

[Rory]

What? What about the dick motivated you that way to be like, yo, I gotta.

[Damaris]

Go out and get the person it was attached to.

[Rory]

Okay, and your answer?

[Mal]

I had so much fun talking to the minute spaces last night about that 1.5. They was trying to hold on strong, and all of them broke after. Like, you know What? I'm like, 1.5 on the table, cash. And Rory chopped in like an IRS has no idea about it.

[Rory]

Like, y'all lying.

[Mal]

Just say you go, go, go. I'll take you to Skip House and wait outside for you. I'll drop you up. Like, go ahead, man. Have fun. I'll be out here with you.

[Damaris]

So. And I think when we were all talking about it, it's not that I wouldn't think about it. It's not that I wouldn't even attempt it. I don't think I will be able to go through with it because I can't feel that disgusted in myself to do something that I truly don't want to do with my baby.

[Mal]

You gonna go in there with Skip for that 1.5 and take the longest vacation. You gonna be in Tulum, the Cayman Islands?

[Damaris]

No, I'm quitting this podcast immediately for sure.

[Mal]

Of course you are. Of course you FaceTime me from vacation. Of course you are.

[Damaris]

But I can't FaceTime.

[Rory]

And with that happened, they actually an explanation.

[Damaris]

Knowing now you can.

[Mal]

You going to be five lemon drops in. You going to be on that FaceTime talking, tanning. You going to be the what you, baby D. 1.5 cash.

[Damaris]

If I Skip Bish, y'all would never let me see the end of it.

[Mal]

Of course not. But I wouldn't let you see the end of it if you didn't. Him and he had 1.5 on the table. I'm like, yo, you didn't take that.

[Damaris]

You still here.

[Rory]

Why you at work?

[Mal]

What you doing? What are you doing?

[Rory]

Like, judgment.

[Mal]

What are you doing? Like, are you crazy? Take that 1.5 and go somewhere.

[Rory]

Man, that yeah, it has to be a plus one on a vacation.

[Mal]

Like.

[Rory]

Yeah, pay for my trip.

[Mal]

Word. Something like that. No one I'm dropping you off the skip out, man. Don't worry about it.

[Damaris]

You got to help me him if you want to come on the trip.

[Rory]

All right, man, we can split.

[Damaris]

Going on my vacation that me and my put in hard work for.

[Mal]

And you just. There ain't no hard work that 32 years old. If you go in there, bounce on that old six times and get up out of there. Baby D, stop playing with me.

[Rory]

You talking about hard work like skip is Mr. Market.

[Mal]

That nigga's 137 years old, man. That going to sleep after six bounces, Baby D. Holy yeah. Hard work. Get the out of here.

[Rory]

Yeah, man, get some L and yeah.

[Mal]

Sleep six bounces and get your ass back to sleep. Yes. Get your ass back in the car and go home with that 1.5. Man, cut it out.

[Rory]

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[Mal]

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[Mal]

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[Rory]

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[Mal]

Damn. All right, my bad.

[Rory]

Okay. Yeah, no, it's. It's. I like that strategy. Instead, just try to interrupt the topic with coughing rather than. No, no, no, no. I thought that was. I'd like.

[Mal]

Damn. Remember when you could just cough like.

[Damaris]

Damn.

[Mal]

Season. Yeah. The weather's, like, going on. Go ahead.

[Rory]

Remember the old school radio stations that had the cough button? Yeah, we need to add that here.

[Mal]

My bad. I'm sorry, Peach.

[Rory]

Especially when the GNX Deluxe comes out. We need to just hold the cough button.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

Do you guys remember, I think it was, like, right after Pharrell had gotten the Louis Vuitton creative director situation. Louis, he had put together a fashion show and premiered a record he produced for the clips, which ended up.

[Mal]

Is that the one with John Legend?

[Rory]

Legend, no. So don't get that confused. He. He's done it twice. The most recent one was the record with John Legend that was about pushing Malice's parents, which was a beautiful record. This was the one before it. This was. Remember, Jay was. JMB were right there, and you could tell the way Jay was bopping his head that he was writing bars to that beat. Like, Jay was not paying attention to one croissant or croisset that went past. What is it? What are those things called? Core set, Corset. One core set that went past croissant.

[Mal]

Yeah, same. Same thing.

[Damaris]

Spell it.

[Rory]

They were in France, right? Look, See, that's cheating what she said.

[Mal]

Spell it. Yeah, okay. Yeah.

[Rory]

Trying to get me off my square right away.

[Mal]

Study it, though. Study it, though.

[Rory]

Now I know that's the first word. Spell it with the accent. So that record, I guess they called it Chains and Whips, and it ended up leaking because even, like, the 4K shit that they put out, it was the highest quality of audio. So the leak sounded like the shit was on DSPS. Love that record. So recently, somebody on their TikTok took that audio and again, remember, this is a year, year and a half later, put it on their TikTok. And then UMG did a copy strike, and it says what song it is, and it said clips. Chains and Whips featuring Kendrick Lamar, which has people thinking, because we know this clips album is. Is coming out very soon. Let God sort him out. Pusha T wiped his Instagram away. Like, clearly, we see something is coming. It appears like they submitted the record to UMG because the copyright strike happened right away and it said the title of the song and now it's featuring Kendrick Lamar.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

This was also the record that Push was allegedly dissing Jim Jones on, if you remember that whole back and forth. So obviously it's not. Not going to be a Pusha T and Kendrick Drake disreply type thing, but I'm sure it'll be painted that way. I think all the bars that Push is talking about Jim Jones on the Internet, you know, the new, new fans are gonna disappear to Drake 100%. And I think anything Kendrick Lamar says, which I don't think, I think it's too obvious and corny if Kendrick and Push get on a record and even mention anything to do with him. So I think this, this, the original was incredible. So I love that Kendrick is going to be on this. And they're already what, one for one pushing Kendrick. They have another song looking it up right now because that Kendrick verse is insane. He broke down all quantum physics that Lord Jamar could not understand. I know. I just keep going there. I'm sorry.

[Damaris]

No, I think nostalgia is the only one.

[Rory]

So, yeah, they're one for one already. Add malice into the mix. I'm excited. And like I said, with our 2025 predictions, I think this clips album is going to be rap album of the year contender, and I'm glad Kendrick is working on them. And does this tie into more of my I got liangelo ball batting a thousand. I said that Kendrick is not going to put out a new album. It's just going to go on a crazy feature on this year. So Kendrick on the clips album that could be rapping contender of the year. If you guys just want to get the flowers now to save money because they're more expensive at the end of the year, I would just do it.

[Mal]

Flowers being more expensive at the end.

[Rory]

Same price.

[Mal]

Same price, Same price, if not cheaper.

[Rory]

If you want to shop off season, just. I would do it now.

[Damaris]

They're actually the most expensive like going into now. Valentine's Day is coming up, babe.

[Rory]

But I don't know. I. It pisses me off because it's obviously gonna just keep this whole Kendrick Push Drake thing going. But I can't wait for this clips album because the two records that have leaked were top tier clip shit.

[Mal]

Oh, no. I think, you know, if you grew up listening to the clips and you know this is a exciting time and knowing that the album is coming, it's done. Obviously anybody that's fans of the clips is looking forward to this project. This is something that I think we've been waiting for for a long time. So the fact that it's happening and we know we getting it soon is dope. I'm looking forward to hearing what they did.

[Rory]

So if you remember, a few months ago, I think it was Push that had told somebody on some interview or some clip that the album was done, master turned in. They were waiting for one more feature. And all of us, I think we even talked about on the pod that we thought it was hov. But I feel like if HOV gave clips a verse, would that put Pusha T as the highest ho features of all time? Besides Beyonce?

[Mal]

Where's how many push up? How many whole verses does Khaled have?

[Rory]

Oh, yeah, that might. Yeah. You know what? Now I think about it, that was a stupid ass take. Sorry, Rory.

[Damaris]

I don't think it was a stupid ass.

[Mal]

Khaled has a few whole verses because.

[Damaris]

How many does Pusha have? Three. Yeah, three or four.

[Rory]

No, not four. He has Drug Dealers Anonymous. What's off?

[Damaris]

He has neck and wrists.

[Rory]

Neck and wrist. And there's one more.

[Mal]

Jay and Pusha.

[Rory]

Yeah. Oh, then this was an awful take. I apologize to everyone in the room.

[Mal]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Rory]

I felt like he had more than that.

[Damaris]

So it's just drugs.

[Rory]

That would put him at three. Yeah. Khaled, Beyonce. Shit. Memphis Bleak has more.

[Damaris]

You was just saying anything for real.

[Rory]

You know what? We're taking accountability in 2025. Sometimes you come to a podcast. Podcast, and you have a thought that enters your mind in the moment that you didn't prepare for and you say some stupid.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

So this is me apologizing. I just said some dumb.

[Mal]

It's okay.

[Rory]

So I'm sorry.

[Mal]

Accountability. I love it.

[Rory]

I just still think as much as we know that Jay loves Push, I think he got an offer for the Cliffs album and was like, bro, I gave you two. I think I'll give someone else a feature soon. Yeah, than that. So I think.

[Mal]

I think Kendrick Lamar would still be on the album. It's not. It's not.

[Rory]

I just think Kendrick was the. The feature they were talking about. I used to think it was. Oh.

[Mal]

That they were waiting on. Okay.

[Rory]

Now I think it was Kendrick.

[Mal]

But do you think that Jay is not on the album at all?

[Rory]

Nah, I don't think so.

[Mal]

No, I heard, I heard, I heard he's been working out.

[Damaris]

Oh, word.

[Rory]

I heard he's been working up.

[Mal]

I mean, I heard, I heard, I heard the guy still in shape?

[Rory]

Where's he been boxing at?

[Mal]

I'm just. I don't know, man. I just heard he's still in shape, that's all.

[Rory]

Okay, so you heard he was gonna.

[Damaris]

Be on the album? That's what I'm hearing.

[Mal]

No, no, I didn't. I didn't hear he was gonna be on this album, but I heard that he's. He's. He's in shape. I heard he can still. I heard the guy can still rap is all I'm saying.

[Rory]

I mean, duh, we need to get, like, a real life reaction if it ends up being liangelo Ball remix. See, like, Biggs was like, yo, Hov was in there. He's doing a big feature right now. See, he in shape right now. He about to shock the world. And we all like yo clips album about to be crazy with hov.

[Mal]

First he said camera pans to more and his whole verses than anybody. That was wrong. And now he wanted to give LiAngelo a feature. What's up with you in 25, man?

[Rory]

I mean, Hov is giving features out. Like, what?

[Damaris]

What? Anyway, you just be saying anything.

[Mal]

Exactly.

[Rory]

He.

[Mal]

No, no, just stop.

[Damaris]

He.

[Mal]

Just stop.

[Rory]

Just stop. Just stop. Take out. Let's strip. Legendary status. What's a better record? LiAngelo Ball or Usher? Hot Toddy don't do that.

[Damaris]

Don't do that. You know I love Hot Toddy. Don't do that.

[Rory]

I'm one of the few people that loves it too. But. But that. That's my Nas hero. Like, there's records that I love that I know the world hates.

[Mal]

And Hot Toddy, is that one for you?

[Rory]

It's. I see why people think it's an awful record, but we strolled to it.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

In 2010, so it has a special place in my heart.

[Damaris]

I love Hot Toddy. So you.

[Rory]

But don't act like there. If I could rack my brain better. Hov has definitely done a feature where you were like, yo, what the.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

Back in the day.

[Mal]

Of course. Yeah. But not recently. No, no. That list of collabs is very short these days. Very short.

[Damaris]

Who do you. Okay, so who do you think gets the next whole feature.

[Rory]

That is in the clips?

[Mal]

I mean, there's only maybe three. Maybe. Maybe if Khed is putting out another project. Maybe if Beyonce has that type of record on her next project.

[Rory]

All right, let's say someone he's never collabed with. Let's put never collab with. Yeah. And I also don't think. I don't think he's giving Khalid another.

[Damaris]

I don't want to say never collabed with because I feel like that damn near eliminates the pool.

[Mal]

Yeah. Like, if he ain't never collabed with you, I don't think he's gonna collab with you. Now. None of these new artists is getting a verse from. I could tell you that.

[Damaris]

Yeah. That's why I'm like, I don't.

[Rory]

That kind of goes back to our. There's no more stars. There's no one, like, up and coming. That would be like, yeah, that deserves. Like, when Hov got on Don't Kill My Vibe.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Or, you know, when he got on Drake's Light Up. We don't. I can't think of an artist where.

[Mal]

Yeah. I don't see any of these new artists that Jay would collab with. I just don't. I don't see it. Rappers. I definitely don't see it.

[Damaris]

Yeah. I can't see them.

[Mal]

I could see maybe an R B or, you know, one of those type of records. And Steve Lacy might get a feature with Jake before fucking in there. These rappers get one.

[Damaris]

Like, I feel like if Dreamville Festgate didn't happen, then possibly Cole could have.

[Mal]

Got one he already got. You said no collabs that they.

[Damaris]

No, I. Rory said that. I said that would eliminate the.

[Mal]

Okay. Okay, okay.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah. I mean, we try to forget that collab. He's one of those. He's one of the. Cole is obviously on that list that would get a verse from Jay.

[Rory]

But I Colon hove owe us a record. Mr. Nice watch. Was not it. We got cheated out of a J. Cole and Jay Z record. Like, they owe us a proper one.

[Mal]

Yeah. I would like to hit him on another.

[Rory]

A newer record that would fit, especially now if he. Oh, wow. This is set up perfectly. I didn't even think about this. Does this not fit the theme of the Fall Off? The rumors that we've heard that Cole was getting features of artists that were popping that people have deemed fell off or whatever, or had their crazy run and their legends, but now people say they're falling off with everything that's been happening, allegedly with Jay Z. If he addresses everything that happened in 2024 into 2025 on Cole's fall off album, is that not the perfect setup? Because everyone's saying Jay Z's gonna fall off. He's a pedophile. He's like, come on. That would. Him addressing everything on the Fall off would be incredible.

[Damaris]

It would.

[Rory]

That would be the. Perfect for the J. Cole and Jay Z record that we've deserved.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I don't think it's gonna happen, but it could be. It would be. It would be amazing. But I don't see it. I wish it, but I don't see it more.

[Mal]

Nah, it's not happening. It's not happening.

[Rory]

He barred us up in every response on Instagram. You don't think he's been putting those words and syllables together?

[Mal]

Nah, I think we get another J album before we get another feature.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

I guess I could see that.

[Mal]

I believe.

[Damaris]

I'm believing because I feel like Maul has, like, inside detail.

[Mal]

No, no, no, no, no. I don't. I don't. I didn't hear of him recording anything or nothing like that. I mean, he. I think he's always gonna rap and have bars, but I don't. I haven't heard of him laying no verses though. Like, just. I heard he's rapping, though. I heard his niggas is playing beats and he got he flowing, but it ain't recorded. It's just like hanging out.

[Damaris]

Well, he need to get up off the couch and do something other than babysit them kids. For real. Cause Beyonce out here working like a slave.

[Mal]

Babysit them kids. Those are his kids babysitting his own kids.

[Damaris]

It's a. It's a running Internet joke that Beyonce is like the hard working woman in relationship and Jay Z's like the nanny.

[Mal]

Oh, they think Jay don't do. No, they think Jay don't work.

[Damaris]

Work. We know, J.

[Mal]

No, I'm just saying that's. The Internet is trying to paint that narrative.

[Damaris]

It's just a joke. It's.

[Mal]

No, I get it.

[Damaris]

Beyonce joke.

[Rory]

I think he should own a stay at home dad. I think it's great. Yeah.

[Mal]

If I was him. Yeah. I want to go drop the kids off and go get a chai and go to Pilates.

[Damaris]

Oh, no. His little walking club that he does.

[Rory]

Since mall brought it up and I did.

[Mal]

His little walking club is crazy. When all them is billionaires walking up the block. Oh, they got a nice little walking. Those gentlemen are worth $8 billion combined. Happen.

[Rory]

Okay, Since Maul brought it up, I feel comfortable talking about it because I didn't want to be the one to say things. I've already gotten in trouble last year of saying things I wasn't supposed to say from artists. Now that you're saying that I didn't say nothing is actively working.

[Mal]

I didn't say. I didn't say he was working.

[Rory]

He said he's Listening to beats.

[Mal]

I said he was listening to beats and just rapping for the homies.

[Rory]

Okay, agree.

[Mal]

Here he comes. Something. Now watch this.

[Rory]

I'm saying the same thing that you saying.

[Mal]

Okay. All right.

[Rory]

How much would you guys clown me if I told you that I did send a pack over and didn't get a reply?

[Mal]

Of course he did.

[Damaris]

Two up.

[Mal]

Of course. He thought you thought he was gonna get a J verse.

[Rory]

No, not for my album.

[Damaris]

For his album.

[Rory]

I was told. I was. I was told by somebody to send a pack that Jay was working and say, yeah, let's put a pack together. And I said, yeah, let's do it.

[Mal]

Oh, okay. Okay. Send it. Just beats. Yeah.

[Rory]

Oh, I sent a few, like, records with hooks and certain stuff, but.

[Mal]

Okay, I see. Oh, yeah, no, that's. Yeah, why not? He's listening. He'll listen to it.

[Damaris]

You might get a response like. Like, at the end, like, when he's ready to put the album out, he can't take it.

[Rory]

I would be the psa, like, right before he's about to turn in the black.

[Damaris]

I never said that.

[Mal]

He just send you the.

[Rory]

I would be that last song to, like, complete the pro. I see what you. Nah, y'all appreciate you, man. People say you're not my friend. You don't support me. I appreciate that. You think I would have had that last song.

[Mal]

You say you're my.

[Rory]

Who said that?

[Damaris]

Who said I was.

[Rory]

Everyone knows that black album was done. He was doing interviews, listening sessions, and then just Blaze came in. Who you just compared me to.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's exactly what she did.

[Rory]

He was cooking something up, and Jay was like, this is what is missing. So he's gonna listen to my pack right at the end, and he's like, now I feel comfortable putting this out, this body of work.

[Damaris]

Nah, your was probably definitely some dirt, but what I'm saying is that Jay.

[Mal]

Z, his was some dirt. You sent Jay a dirt pack.

[Damaris]

Send him some bunk.

[Mal]

You sent that n. Some Reggie. Like, Reggie out my inbox.

[Damaris]

I just feel like Jay would completely, like, have the album done before he let any of the producers know that he used their beat. That's what I'm saying.

[Rory]

I just feel like Jay has. Outside of. What more can I say? And we only know that because we watched him and Guru listen to beat tapes. It's been pretty internal. Internal crew, like always. Yeah, but. Oh, you're saying I'm part of the internal crew. All right, but see, yeah, that's why.

[Damaris]

I do say palooza.

[Rory]

That's.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Dirt Pack.

[Rory]

We friends.

[Mal]

Dirt Pack.

[Rory]

You're comparing me to old Dirty, right?

[Mal]

Yeah, exactly.

[Rory]

Yo, friends, man. They really encourage your dreams. And. Oh, y'all can't come to the album release party if I'm. Peach is my only plus one.

[Damaris]

PE and no one else, you not invited.

[Mal]

Holy. Oh, man.

[Damaris]

If you. You think if you get on the album, you invited?

[Rory]

If I don't get on the album, I'm invited. What are you talking about?

[Mal]

Get your off.

[Damaris]

Oh, get your off. You're gonna never.

[Rory]

It was. Hey, it was a good shot. You can keep it. I'm not even mad at it. I'll give you. Okay. One of the air. Air. Oh, now you even leave me hanging?

[Damaris]

It was. It was a. It was low hanging fruit. I don't like low hanging fruit.

[Rory]

Listen, man, it happens. This is where. I'm sorry to do a callback to LiAngelo Ball, but this is where I think it's personal because I just heard Plaque Boy Max by Fabio Foreign. And Maul was fine with it. This isn't killing music, right?

[Damaris]

He twirled a little bit when I played it.

[Mal]

I wasn't fine with this. I looked at y'all like y'all was crazy for playing this shit. What are y'all talking about?

[Damaris]

It's not bad.

[Rory]

Are you gonna be mad at me if I'm kind of like, this record, too?

[Mal]

No, man. I told you 2025.

[Damaris]

It's not bad.

[Rory]

Sexy. Sexy Drill.

[Damaris]

Yeah. He not these rappers. He got real bands. He said in my name. In my real name, Max. And I really got plaques. I'm the real Plaque Boy Max. Tell Kaiser not react to that. Never say I'm whack. Hickory dickory dock, the mouse ran up the clock.

[Rory]

Y'all some haters.

[Mal]

I haven't said anything yet. I still haven't said anything. Y'all are playing this record that I didn't hear. Okay? That's what's up.

[Rory]

All right. Everyone wants to hate. But coming off that moment that was so big for the kids on streaming, he shouldn't capitalize on it. That's not a good angle to go with, because even Plaque Boy Max went on his stream and reacted to it. And I'm not gonna. Yeah, I'm gonna say it. I think he knew already because he was sitting there like, yo, is this a shout out or is this beef? I think he heard it and loved it. And this is just part of a whole rollout.

[Damaris]

I don't.

[Rory]

And Matt, he's part of it, too. Too.

[Damaris]

I don't think it's part of a whole rollout. I think you roll out for a.

[Rory]

Record can be two days in this era.

[Damaris]

But I don't think that that's it.

[Rory]

I feel like moments and put out records.

[Damaris]

Okay, yeah, but that's not a rollout. A rollout is planned. It means that he went on that stream planning to be for.

[Rory]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. First of all, let's not do that. Back to our conversation where all labels are doing are just going after moments and data. Now, we're not about to say rollouts are not reactions. Rollouts are not always planned. The best rollouts now are reacting to what's currently happening at the moment.

[Damaris]

Then that's not a rollout rollout.

[Mal]

I mean, I think it's both. Some rollouts are planned and some it happens. Something happens and they be like, okay, let's use this moment to kind of gain, you know, go off this momentum and capitalize like. So I think it goes both ways. Rollouts are planned, and rollouts can be spontaneous as well.

[Rory]

Some of the best ones in this era are reactive. And I don't think they planned that smoking thing, but. But they all capitalized off it at this point. Let me just make a sexy drill record with him as the hook. I don't. I don't think this is going to, like, work at the Hookah Lounge, but it'll work with some views right now.

[Damaris]

Really? I actually think this song will work. And most people who are listening to it won't know what it's about. I feel like we know who what like this Plaque Boy Max is. Because we have to talk about it because of our job. But I think when this song plays like in the Hookah Lounge, I think people will just like it.

[Rory]

No, I think it's a actual. It's a good song, but because everyone's not going to catch the point of the hook. I don't know. Is that going to work?

[Damaris]

Is that the hook, though, or is that just a bar? I think that's just a bar. I don't think it's the hook.

[Rory]

That was a pre hook. You think Fabio got, like, bridge game?

[Mal]

I promise you, we don't need to be breaking down a fio.

[Rory]

Okay, let's. Let's break it down. He said his real name Max. Did you go to his Wikipedia? Because his real name isn't Fabio foreign. I didn't know if you knew that that's not his government name.

[Mal]

I think I knew that.

[Rory]

You never know. So his actual real name is Max and Plaque Boy Max is the guy he was talking to. And he's saying, not only that, I have plaques.

[Damaris]

Mall, the purpose of us bringing this up is because we were asking is, are streamers the way to clout now? Like the younger kids, is this the way to clout? Is this going to become the new thing?

[Rory]

That's new thing. It's the thing now.

[Mal]

Yeah. They're going to capitalize off this moment. The name of the song is probably going to be Plaque Boy Max. People gonna click it, you know, stream it. Plaqueboy Max is probably gonna talk about it on his platform. He's probably gonna listen to it on his platform. He has a bunch of people listening and watching him on his platform. I get it. Put yourself in the ecosystem. Boom. Plaqueboy Max. I'm the real plaque.

[Rory]

This has been the thing. If rick Ross was 20 years old right now, the hook would go, I think I'm Casa Knot, not Aiden Ross. That would be the hook. It wouldn't be Big Meech and Larry Hoover. It would be, I'm costing Ross. In this era, the streamers are the drug dealers.

[Mal]

Promise you that.

[Rory]

That would be the way to go.

[Mal]

That would not be the hook. I can promise you that.

[Rory]

Y'all don't think right now that the way, quote unquote, and I hate the word clout is not to go with the streamers. This is not a new concept.

[Mal]

I'm not saying this is seven, eight years in now. Yeah, but every. Some artists aren't putting out dope songs and they not. The hook is not who the streamers are. Artists are literally releasing songs and music and albums right now, and none of.

[Rory]

Them are prize winner brought up a streamer in the biggest battle in rap history. This is the. This is the world we're in. So, yeah, this is. Of course FAO's gonna. Let's do this.

[Mal]

He wasn't the hook, though.

[Rory]

Well, I mean, there was only one hook.

[Mal]

I'm not saying they're not going to be mentioned in a song. Of course. Like Kai is going to be mentioned and all these other streamers, they'll be mentioned in songs. Yeah, but I'm making the streamers name the hook.

[Rory]

I mean, I don't think it's that far fetched in the hip hop that we grew up on that has made names be hooks. They just weren't streamers. They were drug dealers.

[Mal]

Okay. Streamers are the new drug dealers.

[Rory]

100.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Damaris]

I feel like you are like quite literally jumping out the window. Just like.

[Rory]

I'm not saying streamers are the new drug dealers 2025.

[Damaris]

But you here to listen to all.

[Mal]

Eyes get it all.

[Rory]

Okay. Has there not been in the hip hop we grew up in a huge stat was to be connected to somebody that was actually legitimate in the street. A legend. We saw 50s whole rollout outside of how to rob was the thing with Prem. Every single Jay Z with Calvin Klein. Like every rapper has cam loose sims. Those are very prominent people to the culture at that time.

[Mal]

Time.

[Rory]

You don't think that these younger kids that grew up on the Internet don't view streamers the same way?

[Mal]

I mean, as far as them being like big and making money and that.

[Rory]

Type of thing that could help their career.

[Mal]

Yeah, but I don't know if it's the same. Yes, there's streamers are very successful. Some of them making a lot of money. More money than these artists. I don't know if that means the fans are looking at them the same way. Way guys that were in the streets looked at drug dealers or. I don't know.

[Rory]

I'm saying the legitimacy of being next to them. What it can do for your career and your reputation. Because the Genera, the younger generation does value different things than the older generation. And to them, these streamers have a lot of validity. So putting an artist next to them. Yeah, that puts them on the same way that it used to with a drug dealer.

[Damaris]

I mean, I get that for younger kids. 5 year old, 4 and 34 though.

[Mal]

Points were made.

[Rory]

Wait, you don't think there's prominent streamers right now that appeal to the kids that aren't older than Fabio? Because I know streamers that lie about their age and they're. They're older than me that are prominent with the kids. So what are y'all talking about? Up there's older. Every streamer is Kai.

[Damaris]

It's not about the streamers. I'm talking about Favo being 34 and doing this. He's too old to be doing this. That's what I'm.

[Rory]

Kevin Hart is in the basement every other night. He's seen Kai more than his kids. So what?

[Damaris]

Like he went to that basement.

[Mal]

He's seen K more than his kids. Is crazy.

[Rory]

He's on way more sleepovers.

[Damaris]

He. He did that stream one time.

[Rory]

No, he didn't.

[Mal]

Maybe twice.

[Damaris]

Maybe twice he did.

[Rory]

He did it once for a full night. The way like Offset.

[Mal]

Wasn't they in a movie together? I feel like.

[Damaris]

Probably.

[Rory]

Probably. I'm sure Rock they went to Jumanji or something. I don't know.

[Mal]

I'm sure Like, Kai and Kevin Hart might have did a movie together.

[Damaris]

Kai is.

[Rory]

I don't think so, but, yeah, I.

[Mal]

Mean, a lot of people.

[Damaris]

Surprises me, but I think.

[Mal]

I think they would. They did a movie together. They was in a movie together, Something like that.

[Rory]

No, I think he's probably promoting a movie, but. But either way, yeah, Kevin's been on it. He was there for the whole month. Stream. Shit. What's wrong with older people hanging out with streamers?

[Mal]

No, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it. I'm just saying back to your point of people that watch streams and looking at them the same way guys in the streets looked at the big drug dealers. I don't think that's the same, but I do understand what you're saying. They are the new people to look up to, the new celebrities, the new. And people want to be like, the kids want to stream. They want to do that. Just like, dudes in the streets wanted to rap and sell drugs. And, you know, I get that, too. Like, it's the lifestyle.

[Rory]

And a lot of, like, let's not pretend a lot of rappers make it a little later in their life, but still appeal to the kids. Even with our rap generation, like, I mean, 50 was the same age as a lot of rappers that were looked at as veterans or washed off. His first album, like, he's 29 right there. Fat Joe had a great career before, but when he popped, popped number one, 106 in park, TRL, all that. Fat Joe was the same age as Hov, like, as his contemporaries. And Hov was like, all right, cool, That's a veteran over here. Some rappers pop late. Fabio, I think, appeals to the kids. Even though he's my age.

[Mal]

Oh, no, for sure. He definitely appeals to a younger crowd than an older crowd. Without a doubt.

[Rory]

Joey Badass is younger than him, I think, appeals to older crowd. Like, I don't think age matters. I think perception matters. The type of music that you're content.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah. All of that matters.

[Rory]

Yeah. So I don't know. I do really want to get into this Lord Jamar Flat Earth thing, but I can see that Damaris wants to go to voicemails.

[Damaris]

I feel like the Lord Jamar thing will be better on Patreon because we can play the clips. That's why. Okay, yeah, this. We're not really gonna be able to pay the clips like that.

[Rory]

We're gonna get to voicemails, tune into our Patreon for the spelling bee. Plus, Lord Jamar verse Professor Dave on the flat. Earth Theory. You've got mail. So I kind of have a voicemail today. Before we get to the recorded ones, I got a wild comment on one of my photos, which then was a dm. I didn't really vet this yet, but I did want to bring it to our voicemail segment. This gentleman, I won't say his name. He said, what's up, Rory? I recently went viral for getting choked out by Scotty Pippen. Stopped. I was walking down the steps to the train, and I stopped what I was doing between two homeless people to continue to read the beginning of that request. Dm. I recently went viral for getting choked out by Scottie Pippen. On board already. It is since kind of ruined my life. Laugh my ass off. Now I'm even more intrigued because I didn't know.

[Mal]

How does that ruin your life?

[Rory]

I've watched a pair of flip flops ruin Scottie Pippen's life. So I'm just curious what happened with this guy. I'm an aspiring musician who doesn't know how this will affect my career. It helped with futures.

[Mal]

So was an aspiring musician.

[Rory]

I make really good music, and I don't want this video to overshadow that. I've been watching you guys for years, and I'd just like some advice. So I had scrolled past over the weekend a headline that said, Scottie Pippen choked someone out.

[Damaris]

I saw it.

[Mal]

I think I did see that.

[Rory]

So naturally I went to the video. When I got here, me damaris were watching. It checks out. This is the same guy.

[Damaris]

Okay, Ma, have you seen it?

[Mal]

I think I've seen this. Black and white. I didn't click on it, but I think I did see something about Scottie Pippen choking somebody.

[Rory]

Well, that's why, you know, he's an artist, because he made it black and white.

[Mal]

Yeah, but asking my girl, does she want to be with me, bro? Scotty Pippen asked my girl, does she look. Cause I'm pimping, bro. I'm future. I'm filthy. Yeah, I feel you.

[Damaris]

Oh, you see how quick he walked away?

[Rory]

Also, shout out to this gentleman. He's been a long time, fam. Nothing about that video goes, I'm going to check your music out, or I'm not going to check your music out. That wasn't the deciding factor for me. I was wondering how drunk Scotty Pippen was.

[Mal]

Yeah, that wasn't even, like, a real. I thought you said choked out. I think I'm thinking Scotty, like, roughed him up.

[Damaris]

And, well, if you see the the way that he did it. What I did see some people comment and say was that like, yo, they're like, gay. Like, that's gay. And like, what they doing?

[Rory]

I think that's concerned about this video wasn't like a. An assault.

[Damaris]

No. It's like, why you holding out of my neck like that? Seductively?

[Rory]

Yeah. It's like Scotty didn't only just want his girl. Like, he.

[Mal]

Why he holding on to his.

[Rory]

He wanted to do some swing.

[Mal]

Why Scotty bit his tongue like that after you said, cuz I'm pimping.

[Damaris]

Pimping.

[Rory]

That's the drunk guy at the resort that wants to join the threesome. That's what he was doing. He didn't just want his girl.

[Mal]

So Scotty Pim was trying to talk to his girl.

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Rory]

And clearly him, he sees he liked it rough and then said, I'm pimping. So he pimping means you was going after both of them.

[Damaris]

He did leave a voicemail. He left a voicemail. I heard it earlier, but it cut off. So that's why I didn't play it. I just had you read it. But he said that before. Scottie was just walking around and him and his girl saw him and his girl didn't know who that was. He was like, you don't know who that is? I guess Scottie was talking to her. She wasn't acknowledging. Okay, whatever. Your friend's weird. Let's go. And then Scottie start like, yo, come home with me trying to bag her because was, I think his ego got hurt that she didn't know who he was. But that girl's probably like 26. Like, she doesn't know who the Scottie Pippen is.

[Rory]

Wait, so a strategy when your egos hurt of someone that doesn't know me means, like, come home with me.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah, get to know me. Once you come to my crib, you see my jerseys, my trophies, you're gonna know exactly who I am.

[Rory]

I can see the part. If she knew who he was and was like, oh, my God, that's Scottie Pippen. And his response was, yo, come home with me. But if someone doesn't know me, I don't be like, yo, just come to my crib.

[Mal]

Then come get to know me. Come to my house. You want to know who I am?

[Rory]

All right, all right. So Scotty Pippen walking around, dolo. That looked like New York, right?

[Damaris]

It was Chicago.

[Rory]

Oh, Chicago. Okay. He's just walking around by himself, dead drunk in Chicago. Chilling.

[Mal]

Why not?

[Rory]

I guess.

[Mal]

Yeah. Anybody bother that's. He's a Chicago legend.

[Damaris]

Scotty could walk around Chicago him like, what? What should he do in case he ever PS up?

[Mal]

We're a turtleneck.

[Damaris]

Ma.

[Mal]

All right, my bad. I'm sorry.

[Rory]

All right, so he already had a, I guess somewhat good response. He brought Future into the mix after he felt like he was disrespected. He disrespected Scotty. I feel like you take that footage, loop it, find a future beat, and freestyle about the entire thing.

[Damaris]

Oh, Lord, thank God you nobody's manager.

[Mal]

Clout chasing is crazy terrible. Take that, loop that loop to getting choked out and turn that into the.

[Rory]

Okay, Damaris. What? What should he do? He should stay true to the culture and put out a boom bap record and I go with the slow game. He has a moment, and yet I'm not about to say do shitty raps over the freestyle. He says he's good at music, so why wouldn't you take this moment?

[Mal]

Who's ever said? Who's ever said?

[Rory]

I'm taking his word for it. He's a law, he's a lifelong fan, and in my opinion, he's Prince.

[Mal]

But why don't some of these aspiring artists say, say I'm terrible at music. I will respect that. If they be like, yo, I might listen to you if you tell me you terrible. Like, yo, I'm trash. But, you know, whatever.

[Rory]

Remember when that strategy kind of took over Instagram, when people would go in the comments and be like, am I trash or am I dope?

[Mal]

Tell me that.

[Damaris]

I remember that.

[Rory]

People try to use that psychology before, like, yo, everyone says I'm trash. Prove them wrong. Or like, well, Rory, what's his Instagram?

[Damaris]

Because I sure he got. I'm sure he has music on his Instagram. Let's see. Let's see if he's trash. Like, let's judge it. Because he keeps saying. And the only reason why I'm open to judging if it's trash is because he keeps saying it's really, really good.

[Rory]

Good.

[Damaris]

He keeps throwing that out there.

[Mal]

Say they're really, really good.

[Rory]

This is still love you.

[Mal]

Time goes on but my feelings stay the same. Made it through the sunshine, but we a make it through the rain. You feel like I did you wrong. I feel like you did the same. But I still hold you down. Cuz you was there before the fame. But I ain't going to lose my mind.

[Rory]

Sitting here waiting on.

[Mal]

Used to the pain. Your friends talk a lot but they don't know how far we came. They don't know about the love I gave you.

[Damaris]

I think it's a.

[Rory]

He put him. I think there's some things to tweak and obviously there's room for improvement. But let's not come out the gate and say that's absolutely awful based off the music we stumble across on Instagram. And if he's talking about the same girl that he was out with, I see why Scotty tried to swoop in. He'd been doing her wrong the entire time.

[Mal]

Don't he. He got a picture of his girl in his eye drop.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah. Let's really get into.

[Mal]

If Scotty got a type.

[Damaris]

Let's really get into it for real.

[Rory]

Wait, don't do that. I think he has kids. Oh, no, we ain't gonna show her. No, he a rapper. He ain't got her on there. He only has a photo of Megan. Good.

[Mal]

No picture of his girl?

[Rory]

No.

[Mal]

So that probably wasn't even his girl. He probably saw a girl that was cute and tried to holland. So disgusting body.

[Damaris]

Nah, he said that was his girl.

[Mal]

He lying. He also said he was good at rapping.

[Rory]

Yo, yo, now you hating, yo. All right, man, that was better than your napkin fire.

[Mal]

Fire, right? That was fire. That was fire, right? Yeah. Yo, y'all paid me to be the bad guy here, man.

[Damaris]

I'm just gonna start being honest with people.

[Mal]

I'm not putting no that trash, man. Turn that.

[Damaris]

I don't even want to say that it's trash.

[Mal]

I made it through the rain, all right? You and 70,000 thousand other rappers did.

[Damaris]

I'm just saying.

[Rory]

You're saying he rhymed girl in world.

[Damaris]

I'm only saying this because he called in and said like, my is really, really good and I don't want this to up my rap career, baby. What career, baby?

[Rory]

Okay, hang it up, you guys.

[Damaris]

On screen.

[Rory]

You don't think that there's been plenty of people that have just been. They've become the meme. Like, maybe he wants to be known for his music and not known as the guy that was. I'm not even saying they choked. He was. He was caressed by Scotty Pippen.

[Mal]

He's clout chasing.

[Rory]

What's cloud chasing?

[Damaris]

No, he's not cloud chasing. He said he don't want to be known as that.

[Mal]

Yet. He DMS Rory in hopes of us talking about it on our platform so that people can now hear his music. Cuz we would have never heard about this before Scotty choked the out of him.

[Damaris]

I think a little crappy off this, off this juice.

[Mal]

I'm just saying. I'm just trying to be real. Like, let's be honest here. This is all clout shooting, chasing. Yo, Scottie Pippen choked me. Is there not listen to my music. What the fuck is that?

[Rory]

Is there not respectable ways of clout chasing?

[Mal]

I'm not saying it's not, but we're not gonna say that.

[Rory]

That's not cloud chasing now at this point is just trying to get attention off a moment. Is that not marketing at this point?

[Mal]

So, yeah, but what is he marketing?

[Rory]

His music?

[Mal]

His music ain't good.

[Rory]

Well, first of all, I was trying to market his music. Damaris thought that was the worst manager move ever, which is insane.

[Damaris]

Well, now that I've heard the music, what you did is better.

[Rory]

Even if he was nice, why wouldn't do that? If you are good at music and you have a moment where people are paying attention, why would you not say, hey, I also do this?

[Damaris]

A real. A real.

[Mal]

No, the real moment would have been if Scotty put his hands around his neck and he pushed like, yo, get the off me. Put your hands up. That would have been the. He sat there and act like I'm future. Oh, listen to my music.

[Rory]

Rory, I think he was in the moment, like, the out of here with this clout. I think he was a little nervous that somebody six, nine grabbed his throat in public.

[Mal]

Man, Scotty Pippen drunk ass would have grabbed my throat. I wouldn't be in Rory's inbox to my. Yo, listen to my music. It's really good. Good. And Scotty Pippen choked me. He said, scotty Pippen choked me. And I don't want it to up my rap career because my music is really good. I just wanted to go to Arizona, Martin. It's the same shit.

[Damaris]

We gotta get Maul a piece of pizza.

[Mal]

What the fuck? I'm not. I'm just tired of the bullshit. Why y'all sitting there acting like, yo, you can't see how yo, Scotty did choke him. And his music is, yo, cut the bullshit, my man. That shit is trash. Scotty didn't really choke him. He clout chasing on the moment. And here we are on our platform with 800 million people listening, playing this trash ass shit.

[Rory]

So it worked exactly.

[Mal]

Cloud chasing.

[Rory]

He's a marketing genius.

[Damaris]

Do you guys want to hear another voicemail or do we need to go get Maul a sandwich? It's the last day his juice club. I'm chilling.

[Mal]

I'm chilling. Why y'all keep saying I'm being mean. I'm being honest. I'm not being mean. I'm being honest. I'm not trying to.

[Damaris]

So you being honest like this all year? Is this what I look forward to?

[Mal]

Well, I'm listening to the lies but then I'm also respond to the lies as well. That's what. Okay, yeah.

[Rory]

Trying to see if we have any mutuals.

[Mal]

You and that gentleman, I can guarantee.

[Rory]

Who else is on up on this? No, he follows them all though.

[Damaris]

He don't follow you.

[Rory]

Yeah, he follows me.

[Damaris]

Oh, okay. Does he follow me? If he don't follow me, then him.

[Rory]

Yeah, no he doesn't.

[Damaris]

Damn.

[Rory]

So you think it's trash now?

[Damaris]

That was dirt. I thought it didn't but I ain't want to say it. You feel me?

[Mal]

See, see, look. Look how fast we all on the same page. Look how fast we are. You're welcome. Ariah.

[Damaris]

I was on the same page. My ink was invisible. But I was on the same page.

[Mal]

My ink was invisible. Do we have another voicemail Demarius?

[Damaris]

We do. I bought if you wanted it for a minute. You feel me? Pause.

[Mal]

Yo. Hello, the pod watching since episode one. My name Mailman by the way. So my question is, is it weird? I don't want to watch like regular shows, but I'd rather watch like like the dramatic like you know, reality show. I can watch some like ultimatum or like Love is Blonde or like you know, baddies. I can watch that all, all day long with my girl. But like my be like recommending like shows like bro, you should watch this. All this I don't care about, I guess normal TV like shows. It's a lot of like, you know, I g say quote unquote good shows. You know, it's a lot of like, you know, shows that people have recommended that I have no interest in watching. Like I'll probably get like two episodes like when this is boring. Like, but like get on my case cuz I, you know, I watch the pop the balloon shits quick as hell on YouTube. Like I don't know, just something about those real like that real people have a real interaction.

[Rory]

Like.

[Mal]

It'S kind of, I don't say it's corny, but it's like, I don't know, can't act no more. I don't want to watch that on bad. So is that weird, my chicken?

[Rory]

I think it's a little weird because we are at probably the golden age of tv. I don't think there's been a better time in TV ever than now, but, I mean, I get. You got to turn your brain off sometimes after work and watch I do it, too. I just want to know why your name is Mailman. That was my only question.

[Damaris]

The ironic part of this voicemail is he said, man, be trash actors. Like, I want to watch, like, real life shit. And he said, like, pop balloon. And baddies.

[Rory]

They're not. Not, not acting.

[Mal]

You like chicken heads, sir. But watching make fools of themselves are.

[Rory]

Some of the most genuine people, though.

[Damaris]

Okay, Autumn shows are scripted, too.

[Mal]

That's why I'm like, baddies ain't scripted.

[Damaris]

The Al.

[Mal]

No way. They handed them some script.

[Rory]

Some of them wasn't in wheelchairs.

[Mal]

Baddies ain't scripted. There's no way they scripting that.

[Damaris]

But it's up. None of that stuff is real life. That is situational.

[Mal]

They. They create the circumstance and. But then they let them be exactly who they are and like, yo, let's put them in this position.

[Damaris]

They argue for five minutes and then go down to the front room, get in a circle and fight.

[Mal]

Some of the best shit ever to hit tv.

[Rory]

And even, like, ultimatum and all that. There's no way that's not acting. That you're on your knees proposing to somebody that you've never seen. That's acting.

[Mal]

I mean, we had Clay here. That wasn't. Yeah, he wasn't acting.

[Rory]

He let. He left her on the altar. Yeah, he was acting the whole time.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that nigga was Denzel.

[Mal]

He acted like he wanted to marry. Yeah, yeah, I guess you're right.

[Rory]

And then he acted with Selena.

[Mal]

Acted like he didn't her.

[Rory]

Exactly. Clay might be the best actor we've ever seen in our lives. That's real acting, sir.

[Mal]

You need to go watch. You're watching some great actors.

[Rory]

Prove this point.

[Mal]

Yeah, you just don't know that it's great acting, but you're watching some great actors. Absolutely. Clay is a great actor.

[Rory]

That is up, though, because as much as I do like turning my brain off, there's so much great TV that can enhance your brain.

[Mal]

But why you say this is the golden age of tv? I don't. I don't agree with. Do that.

[Rory]

In the past decade, you don't think there's been a better volume of TV shows in our history? It's the best. It's the golden age of tv. TV is. Is outdoing movies. They're getting better budgets. People are more focused on TV series. That's stream A list actors for the first time outside of George Clooney and er. Are going to go do tv. That's never happened before.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that's still tv. Just because it's streaming, that's like.

[Rory]

It's still tv.

[Mal]

Yeah, but I think that it's a. It's. I just don't. I think I feel like it was just. I don't know. I feel like it was just better shows as far as, like, when we were like, younger, growing up. I think it was better shows on, on tv.

[Damaris]

When I, When I say it's impossible, I mean it by, like, the production. I don't wanna say the production.

[Mal]

There's more shows now for sure, but I don't know if there's better.

[Damaris]

There's more money put into shows now. Like, the quality is better. Like, what shows can you think of that you think is better than a show now? Like, like comparison type of show wise? Like insecurity.

[Mal]

I mean, we did a sitcom. We did a best top sitcoms draft. I don't know if any of the sitcoms we named that. There's a better sitcom on TV right now than half of those sitcoms we named.

[Damaris]

Because there aren't really sitcoms on TV anymore other than Abbott Elementary.

[Mal]

But that's what I'm saying. So how could you say this is the golden age of tv?

[Damaris]

That's for sitcoms. There's so many other genres. Yes, but there's so many other genres of tv. Sitcoms is not the only genre.

[Mal]

But even suspense, you go back to suspense shows back in the days, in the 90s, early 2000s. I just think that it was a lot of great, great shows. Now we have more shows. I think we have streaming platforms like Netflix and Amazon, all these, These platforms that have these shows. Yes, I think there's more shows, but I don't know if there's. That means they're better, though.

[Damaris]

There was not a better show, better black TV show than Insecure when we were younger. That, that, that, that did not happen. There was not a better fantasy show than Game of Thrones. That did not happen. Like, we have to be honest. And things are gonna get, like, better. Except for hip hop. Hip hop just declines. But things are going to get better over time.

[Mal]

And it's okay to say $8 million. That's why hip hop and declines.

[Rory]

Mall is treating us like we negotiated that deal.

[Mal]

You made a call.

[Rory]

I made a call.

[Mal]

I seen your little tweet end up on gq. You made a call.

[Rory]

Damn.

[Damaris]

Your tweet ended up on gq.

[Mal]

You made a call.

[Rory]

GQ already put together the documentary about LiAngelo Ball. And I mean, yeah, my tweet was in there because, you know, I influenced the people.

[Mal]

What can I day influence the people to do some with a trash ass on.

[Rory]

Okay, I'll make back to our actual conversation. The comparison between, yes, sitcoms, but once, like HBO series hit at the same time. Nobody was like, yo, Frazier's better than the Sopranos. Now everything is the format of the Sopranos. Like, it's just all better because people are putting money into tv. Before, where sitcoms had a specific budget. We're going to use three different sets, same actors, do it for 25 seasons. We'll stay in the red the entire time. Now all TV is based off what HBO was doing before. But nobody was like, yeah, man, I love my wife and kids, but the Wire is not better. Like, that never happened. Now everything is based that way. So TV is in the golden age. All of it is suspense drama with the highest form of budgets and the best actors. Actors, I think comedy has suffered, but drama, suspense, it's not even close. I love Law and Order svu. It's as classic as it could go. It's not better than a night of. It's not better than your honor.

[Damaris]

Well, that's. That's completely different because.

[Rory]

Well, I'm saying TV is so much different now, and it's just in a better space. SVU is fun to just throw on because it melts your brain. You can leave it on for an entire day.

[Damaris]

But that's a. It's also a different type of show. I wouldn't compare it to that. SVU is a different type of show.

[Rory]

And I'm saying you can't compare TV at all to anything going on. It's so much higher value in the writing and the acting and the budgets that, yeah, it's better. It's just better.

[Damaris]

I would compare that new SVU to the old SVU and the new SVO SVU episodes. Even though people who are hardcore fans would not agree with that. They are better than the. The original ones. Like the new season because it's still going. SVU is still going.

[Rory]

So, I mean, I don't know about that.

[Damaris]

Vaugh don't agree with us. That's why he stopped talking. He don't.

[Mal]

No, I'm listening.

[Rory]

No, no, no. I think movies for sure, everything swaps Cops movies from when we were younger. Way better than movies now.

[Mal]

80S has some terrible movies.

[Rory]

True.

[Mal]

RoboCop is the worst ever. RoboCop almost killed movie, almost killed cinemas. RoboCop, oh, my God. Watch RoboCop.

[Rory]

How much did it sell? I'm sure reboot is coming, cuz that's all movies do now is just reboot those.

[Mal]

That was terrible. Huh? Went over your head? RoboCop went over my head. Yo, they had the dude, the dude that had the. The hype bbl all right, well he was like five, six and now he's like six one the high bbl so he showed. No, so they showed him. They showed his progress, like how he's walking and moving now. And he was on the treadmill that he was running like RoboCop. I'm like, Yo, I don't know if this is selling the idea that dude should go get like hype BBL. You look crazy while you running.

[Damaris]

RoboCop had a $13 million budget and grossed 53 million.

[Rory]

It was one of the highest grossing movies at the time, for sure.

[Mal]

Trash.

[Rory]

I don't know if it tracks now.

[Mal]

That movie stinks. All of them shits. I think it was three robocops, right?

[Rory]

I think they did that trilogy.

[Mal]

Four. Four robocops, yo. Trash. All four of them. Shit.

[Damaris]

Damn. They had video games, comic books, television series.

[Mal]

The video game was dope though. I had Nintendo, video game. I had the video game.

[Rory]

All right, you guys have to allow me to get one conspiracy off based off your hype bbl. I get why Elon wants to go to space, but why are we not focusing on making all of us giants, the things we could get done. Like if we can get that six foot guy to run better on the treadmill and get to the progress that all of us become. 13, 14, 15ft, we're smoking any other country. We're like, we're elite.

[Mal]

You want to be 15ft tall.

[Rory]

So I mean, think about the things that we could do.

[Damaris]

You a little slow, ain't you?

[Mal]

Dunk what you go through at 15ft, what you gonna do?

[Rory]

Every single religion, any type of testament, talking about the old, they talk about giants. There's even the conspiracy that the giants help build the pyramids. We should be giants. If we have all this technology, why aren't we creating more giants? All right, so then we're creating robots that are going to turn on us. Okay, so giants in every kid storybook turn out to be very gentle creatures.

[Mal]

Do you do understand that? That if we're all 15ft, then everything has to change. Every. The entire infrastructure of the world, like where we live, cars, how we travel, everything has to change?

[Rory]

Yeah, I mean, we're talking about leaving the earth to go to the To Mars. Might as well just rebuild here as giants. Kanye said abolish all staircases with no evidence. And I was with him. What's the point of these things?

[Mal]

Stay over The Professor Dave.

[Rory]

YouTube.

[Mal]

That's what you do.

[Rory]

While we were recording, huge news broke. No. Jim did not reply. Only fan model Bonnie Blue says she has broken the world record by sleeping with 1057 men in 12 hours. Here is the photo of her holding her Wilt Chamberlain sign. She did it, man. Imagine if she was. Peach said. Yes.

[Damaris]

They're lying.

[Rory]

Imagine if she was 15ft. The body she could capture.

[Mal]

No, she captured some bodies.

[Damaris]

She's lying. Lying. She's lying.

[Rory]

10:57, 12 hours.

[Mal]

I wonder what her dad has to say about that.

[Rory]

You think she has a father?

[Damaris]

It'd be freaky with fathers.

[Mal]

Yeah, but how freaky though?

[Damaris]

You think freaky girls can't have fathers?

[Mal]

A thousand. Oh, okay. In their lives. Yes. You had to. A man had to impregnate your. Your mom. Yes, for sure. But are they inactive in your life? Do they have like. Like conversations daily? Do they. You know, did he raise you? Was he around? It's just tough.

[Damaris]

I think if I wanted to be a porn star, my dad would support me.

[Mal]

I can guarantee you your dad would not support that.

[Rory]

I have met your father.

[Damaris]

I think he would support me.

[Mal]

I can guarantee you your father would not support that.

[Damaris]

I'mma ask him.

[Mal]

Call him and ask him right now. We'll close on that note. Call him and just ask him and let's just hear his response.

[Damaris]

I'm about to call him too. Missing. See?

[Rory]

Would your father support you as a porn star?

[Mal]

Oh, my God. He dropped me off as an adult.

[Rory]

It's crazy. He'd be a manager dropping a grown man off to work.

[Damaris]

Answer.

[Rory]

Would your mother support you?

[Mal]

No. God, no.

[Damaris]

My mother would support me for sure.

[Mal]

No, she would not.

[Damaris]

I promise you. She. I'll call now. My mother. I'll call right now. If I wanted to be a porn star.

[Mal]

Call your mom and say, mom, I did my first porn scene. I'm about to start my only fans. Let's just hear what she has to say about it.

[Rory]

It's called collabing.

[Mal]

Okay, let's just say what she had to say. Put it on speaker.

[Damaris]

I am. I'm gonna wait for her to answer first because she be saying some wild.

[Mal]

Sometimes on the answer on the pickup.

[Rory]

What's wilder than saying, mom, I just did my first porn scene?

[Mal]

Yeah, you don't.

[Rory]

How did she match. Hello? How the y'all be answering the phone.

[Mal]

She don't want us to hit a hello, but did she? Go ask her. She gonna tell us. She just did a porn scene.

[Damaris]

Mom, I have a question for you, okay? And I want you to be honest. Okay? Hold on. Mom, if I. I've really been thinking about it, and I was thinking about doing porn, would you and Daddy still support me?

[Rory]

Doing what?

[Damaris]

Porn.

[Rory]

What kind of porn?

[Damaris]

Like, not the.

[Rory]

Like, there's some hope here.

[Damaris]

Not the, like, bukkake kind, but just, like, the one on one, like, respectable lesbian porn. You guys would support me, right?

[Rory]

She had church right now.

[Mal]

She hung up.

[Damaris]

Mom.

[Rory]

She hung up.

[Mal]

She. She died.

[Rory]

You just killed. Your mother just had a heart attack. Somebody hit the life alert. I have fallen and I can't get up.

[Damaris]

Stop. Stop. For real. Stop, stop, stop. Mommy.

[Rory]

She's not still on the phone.

[Mal]

Yo, this has been a great episode. Thank y'all for tuning in. We talk to y'all.

[Rory]

Let's hope, man. She said, what kind?

[Damaris]

My dad. My dad's calling me back. Hold on.

[Rory]

My dad, Part two. It's.

[Damaris]

Hold on. Why is it not working?

[Rory]

Because your mom already hit the family group chat and said, call your daughter. She on some.

[Mal]

Can't breathe.

[Damaris]

No, I can't breathe.

[Rory]

Oh, that's your mom calling now, too. What kind of dad.

[Damaris]

All right, I have a quick question for you. If I, like. If I wanted to do, like, spicy movies, like porn, but just with women, would you still support me? Dad.

[Rory]

Yo, the confidence, Jack. Both my parents.

[Damaris]

Yo, shut up, dad. Yes. Not right now. Okay, sorry.

[Mal]

You.

[Damaris]

You said what?

[Mal]

I felt the people in the room.

[Rory]

She getting a talking to.

[Damaris]

Okay, I'll call you later. Love you.

[Mal]

Yo, do. I can't breathe, dog.

[Rory]

What did he just say on the phone?

[Mal]

Breathe. You know what he said?

[Rory]

No, he don't play on my phone.

[Damaris]

No, he said. The reason I ain't say nothing, he said, cuz, when you called me, I felt. I felt the energy in the room. I felt people in the room. And I was like, okay. Not the time. He said no, right? He must be in a bad mood, cuz usually he would have just answered and said, okay, Damaris.

[Mal]

Oh, my God. But what about Mom?

[Damaris]

Yeah, I don't know what happened. I think her phone died.

[Mal]

No, it was fully charged.

[Rory]

It was on the charger.

[Mal]

Your parents ain't with that? Damaris.

[Damaris]

Whatever.

[Mal]

What are you talking about? I can't even believe she tried to pump that. My parents was. No, they would not. Father definitely ain't supporting it. Moms is like, whatever. Just get out.

[Rory]

No, she gave some. Some energy. She said, what kind of porn? And I just love that Damarison writes are not bukkake. Like they've had that conversation before.

[Mal]

Yeah, I wouldn't do that.

[Rory]

You already. You raised me right.

[Mal]

Just lesbian porn. Oh, my God. Either way, man, it's been great talking to y'all. Crazy bunch of people.

[Rory]

That's just lesbian porn. You doing porn? No.

[Damaris]

If she was passionate about that, you gonna tell her she couldn't do it?

[Rory]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Damaris]

She gonna rebel and do it anyway.

[Mal]

Yo, that is fucking.

[Rory]

At least I said no on a podcast, right?

[Mal]

All right, well, it's been fun. Been real. Thank y'all for tuning in.

[Rory]

Shout out to Bonnie Blue, the legend. This. This is a day. Everyone remembers this day. January 13th. When she broke the record. We're gonna tell our grandkids we knew exactly where we were.

[Mal]

This is the new January 6th.

[Rory]

It's the new 9 11.

[Mal]

Yes, this is it. The new 911.

[Rory]

You remember exactly where you were.

[Mal]

You gotta remember where you were when Bonnie broke the record. Yeah, we'll talk to y'all in a couple days. Be safe. Be blessed. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. Peace.

[Rory]

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