Episode 347 | Not Guilty

Summary

Podcast Summary: New Rory & MAL
Episode 347 | "Not Guilty"
Release Date: February 21, 2025

Hosts: Rory, Mal, Baby D, and Guest Roy Wood Jr.

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1. Health Concerns and Personal Updates (00:25 - 01:30)

The episode opens with Baby D addressing the show's recent bout with illness, mentioning they've been "about 50 ginger shots deep" in an attempt to combat lingering flus. Rory humorously reassures her, suggesting she might be "a little mono."

Notable Quote:
"I don't think I've ever had mono, honestly." – Mal [00:26]

2. Shout-Out to First Episode Guest Adam "Pac Man" Jones (01:30 - 02:45)

Rory and Mal reflect on their inaugural episode featuring Adam "Pac Man" Jones. They commend his on-field prowess and off-field personality, reminiscing about the challenges faced during the interview process, including technical difficulties while filming at a golf store.

Notable Quote:
"He was a great guest, especially on Zoom and him being at a golf store with a golf simulator." – Mal [02:01]

3. Launch of "Rory and Mal Don’t Know Ball" Show (02:45 - 04:18)

The hosts announce their new show, maintaining their focus on sports, music, and cultural topics without venturing into unsolicited "skip takes." They discuss a notable moment from their first episode where Pac Man Jones claimed that Future owes Young Thug a thank you, sparking a debate on musical influences.

Notable Quote:
"We are launching a new show on our same YouTube platform, same audio platform, Rory and Mall. Don’t Know Ball." – Mal [02:11]

4. Festival Season and Music Releases (04:15 - 14:00)

Rory and Mal delve into the excitement surrounding upcoming live performances and new music. They highlight St. John's latest project, "Festival Season," praising its high energy and meticulous production. Additionally, they discuss tickets and shows from Boyz II Men and New Edition, expressing enthusiasm for attending these events live.

Notable Quote:
"St. John is one of those artists that, you know, he really cares about his craft. He’s very meticulous, pays attention to every detail." – Rory [04:19]

5. Analysis of New Edition's Meet and Greet Protocols (04:32 - 11:05)

A significant portion of the episode critiques the unconventional meet and greet setup for New Edition, where fans are separated from the artists by glass barriers. The hosts express frustration over the lack of personal interaction, pondering reasons behind this change—from health precautions to possible ulterior motives.

Notable Quote:
"This is absolutely insane. First of all, that young lady had to walk into that slot, walk past Johnny, Bobby, Ricky, Mike, and Ronnie... She had to walk past them and then turn around and stand in between a column." – Rory [07:09]

6. Discussion on Celebrity-Endorsed Alcohol Brands (11:05 - 19:44)

Rory and Mal explore the trend of celebrities launching their own alcohol brands, debating their authenticity and success. They reference various brands like Chicas Divertitas by Rihanna and Teremana by The Rock, discussing market reception and the sustainability of such ventures. The conversation touches on the challenges celebrities face in maintaining credibility in the competitive alcohol industry.

Notable Quote:
"I'll just take your word for it, don't even see it." – Mal [35:29]

7. Interview with Comedian Roy Wood Jr. (56:46 - 138:38)

a. Career and Comedy Insights
Roy Wood Jr. shares anecdotes from his early career, including his experiences with prank calls and opening for renowned comedians. He recounts attempting to prank J. Prince, highlighting the cultural nuances and risks involved in such endeavors.

Notable Quote:
"So I went on Letterman and I don't remember the setup of the joke, but essentially it was about Mexican farm workers and just. I don't wages or some." – Roy Wood Jr. [123:07]

b. Censorship and Media Challenges
Roy discusses the increasing censorship in mainstream media, especially in late-night shows. He expresses frustration over restrictive content guidelines, limiting comedians' ability to address sensitive or political topics freely.

Notable Quote:
"You got to have motherfuckers just gotta be mad." – Roy Wood Jr. [90:35]

c. Political Commentary and Media Representation
The conversation shifts to the portrayal of political figures and events in the media. Roy critiques the lack of substantial policy discussions, emphasizing the need for genuine conversations over superficial praise or criticism.

Notable Quote:
"I think that freedom of speech is just freedom of speech so long as it doesn't fuck up my bread." – Roy Wood Jr. [91:17]

d. Cultural Impact and Legacy
Roy reflects on influential figures like Robert Townsend and the struggles of Black comedians in mainstream media. He underscores the importance of creating authentic platforms to tell Black stories without compromising artistic integrity.

Notable Quote:
"He continues to give back to the culture that made him. And he's never stopped that. I think he's definitely one of the most unsung people, one of the most unsung architects, without a doubt, of Black culture." – Roy Wood Jr. [64:07]

e. Personal Experiences and Future Endeavors
Towards the episode's end, Roy shares his aspirations to return to covering Black-centric stories using humor. The hosts and Roy exchange light-hearted banter, hinting at future collaborations and mutual support.

Notable Quote:
"We have to keep that more because it’s a panel show, too. I can’t bring on some Republican congressman. Fucking John... Our show, if I’m speaking specifically to Saturday nights, we get to do whatever we want, bro." – Roy Wood Jr. [78:58]

8. Closing Remarks and Future Plans (138:39 - End)

Rory and Mal wrap up the episode by promoting their Patreon and encouraging listeners to engage through voicemails. They tease upcoming content and express excitement for future interviews and discussions.

Notable Quote:
"We're gonna do something new with the voicemails too. I think when people start leaving great voicemails, I think we're gonna start Zoom calling them." – Rory [51:38]

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Conclusion:
Episode 347 of "New Rory & MAL" offers a blend of humor, cultural critique, and insightful conversations. From dissecting unconventional meet and greet protocols to delving into the challenges of censorship in comedy, the hosts provide a multifaceted discussion. The interview with Roy Wood Jr. serves as a highlight, offering listeners an in-depth look into the evolving landscape of comedy and media representation.

Overall Notable Quote:
"I’m happy that Rocky is not going to jail and not facing any more criminal charges. So shout out to Rocky and his team." – Rory [24:35]

Transcript

[Roy Wood Jr.]

The volume, yeah, she popping the ass. Yeah. I'm tipping the cash. Yeah. I'm showing diamonds. Yeah. She watching the glass. Yeah, she sucking my dick. Yay. She sucking my dick.

[Rory]

Yay.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

She grabbing my balls. Yeah, she know that's my shit. I don't even care. You right. I don't even care. That ass too fat. That pussy overtight. I don't even care who hit. I don't give a fuck. You bad. I don't even care. You charge me for it. I might pay you cash.

[Mal]

Hey, peace.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Fucking extreme N. I mean a pull up in raw N. I move like a demon.

[Mal]

And we're back. The sick cast. I feel like everyone has been sick for the last two weeks. No one can shake any of these flus. I'm about 50 ginger shots deep over the last two weeks. I don't even know what to do anymore, so.

[Rory]

Good. Don't worry about it. Told you. You the mono warrior, man. It's probably a little mono.

[Mal]

I don't think I've ever had mono, honestly.

[Rory]

Oh, okay. Really? You got it clean. You got the newer mono.

[Mal]

I dog born 1990. I was at the height of mono.

[Rory]

Oh, shit.

[Mal]

Like when, when we started figuring out what kissing was. Mono was at its peak.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Like it was. Yeah, it was definitely mono. 19 at that point.

[Rory]

Well, hopefully everybody starts to feel a little bit better. Do remember that our first episode. Rory.

[Mal]

Yes.

[Rory]

Rory Maul. Don't know Ball with our first guest, Adam Pac Man Jones is available now.

[Mal]

Yes.

[Rory]

Shout out to Adam Pac Man Jones for joining us.

[Mal]

One of my. One of my favorite defensive backs and punt returners of all time.

[Rory]

One of my favorite personalities as well.

[Mal]

On and off the field.

[Rory]

Yeah, he. It was fun talking to him. A lot of. Lot of. A lot of. Lot of bumps and turns and that was a roller coaster, but we got through it. Shout out to Pac Man Jones.

[Mal]

He was a great guest, especially on Zoom and him being at a golf store with a golf simulator.

[Rory]

Where else would Pac Man Jones be at? Where else would he be but a golf. A golf store.

[Mal]

But I thought it was a really cool first episode. For those that don't know, we are launching a new show on our same YouTube platform, same audio platform, Rory and Mall. Don't know Ball. Where we talk with some of our favorite people from the sports world about music topics. Some. Some sports stuff that we'll try to learn on but not. We're not going to give you some skip takes. We are. We are staying within our wheelhouses with. With music. Pac Man Jones Said that Future needs to thank Young Thug. And I just had to sit that one out because I'm not from Atlanta. But I started doing the math in real time. I just don't. That might have been the craziest music take.

[Rory]

I mean, but if maybe it wasn't just about music.

[Mal]

It's kind of funny because after we were pitching the show and shout out to the volume we had said over the years, the worst and craziest music takes we've gotten from people ended up being athletes. How we came up with this concept. And off the first episode, Pac Man Jones says that Future owes Young Thug a thank you.

[Rory]

I mean, but again, I'm thinking maybe it may be personal, it might not be maybe music based, like you thinking.

[Mal]

Maybe we were asking questions, though.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

It's just like Future been out 10 years before Thug was even around.

[Rory]

Yeah. But still, Thug influenced that from. You know what I mean? From behind the scenes, though. Like, I don't even want to get in the studio yet. But you should.

[Mal]

Future was in the basement with Andre 3000 and Big Boy in the 90s.

[Rory]

Thug was probably there too.

[Mal]

Yeah, my bad.

[Rory]

Maybe Outkast got to thank Doug too. We don't know. It could be a deeper, darker, criminal link.

[Mal]

And you know what's funny, now that I think about it, Remember when everyone got really pissed off? You know, when Three Stacks comes out of the woodwork Every so. Every so many years, through interviews, he had said at Fife's funeral when he was speaking and in some publication that Thug was his favorite artist. Like, everyone thought he was about to shit on Thug. He's like, nah, it's my like to me, that defines Atlanta.

[Rory]

There you go.

[Mal]

You're onto something.

[Rory]

So Pac man was right.

[Mal]

Thank him at Aliens. All the Futures catalog. Doug was a kid in there.

[Rory]

Exactly. Somewhere. Somewhere along the line, Doug thugs in that story. But our first episode of Don't Rory Maul. Don't know Ball with Adam Pacman Jones is available now.

[Mal]

And my karma's Beautiful with day 26.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mal]

Incredible performance.

[Rory]

Thank you to the guys for coming through. Man, that was a. A dope performance. Impromptu singing by the. By the sink. Because what else do acoustics sound great at besides the sink?

[Mal]

Peach was shedding tears watching that. He was watching on repeat. Yeah, they went crazy. That was fun.

[Rory]

Shout out to the guys.

[Mal]

Loved our conversation with them as well. Shout out. Day 26. Did you ever go to their show that week? I was at.

[Rory]

I didn't make it to that show. At. What was it at? It was at sobs.

[Mal]

They did two nights.

[Rory]

Yeah. No, I didn't. I didn't make it out. I'm gonna catch them. I am gonna catch them live. Cause I've never seen them live, so I do want to make sure I catch them live. Also gonna catch Shout out to Sean Stockman for. He sent my sister some tickets to catch Boyz II Men live down in at the MGM Grand. I think I believe in dc. I believe. I believe it was that. I can't remember. But, Sean, thank you, my brother, for looking out for my family. They said the show was amazing, and they all said that I have to catch the show. So I'm going to fly out one of these days to whatever city boys to Men is in and catch one of their shows.

[Mal]

One of my homegirls was in Vegas, and I put this photo in the recording chat, like, two or three days ago. She went to go see New Edition in Vegas. Right. Did y'all see the meet and greet photo? P. I don't know if there's a way that we can blur her face when we put it up on the screen.

[Rory]

All right, so why is BBD on one side? Why is. Well, there's the guy that replaced Bobby Brown at one point and Bobby Brown on the other side.

[Mal]

No. There's a lot of layers to this entire thing.

[Rory]

Yeah, this is. Did these niggas say hello to each other on the tour? Like, did BBD and Johnny and Bobby speak to each other?

[Mal]

I mean, I love that they. They hate BBD so much that Johnny and Bobby are cool with each other. Poison pissed them off that much.

[Rory]

Okay, but what is the. What is the point? What is the point of this, though? Why are they. Why do they have the fans between something and.

[Mal]

I don't know if it's a cleanliness thing. Like, I never even saw this.

[Rory]

You think this is a cleanliness thing?

[Mal]

Even when we were doing shows, like, right at the tail end of COVID when it was still a little weird and you had to wear a mask, we were, like, shaking hands and hugging the fans. This is hilarious.

[Rory]

This is absolutely ridiculous. What is going on, man? I've never seen any at this point. Why even do the meet and greet? I mean, we're not concerned about germs and people being sick. Why even do the meet and greet?

[Mal]

That's a super question.

[Rory]

I've never seen no like this.

[Baby D]

I haven't. I don't think it has anything separated.

[Rory]

Like a Hot Pocket. You know, you put the Hot Pocket inside the sleeve and put it inside the microwave. Like, what is this?

[Baby D]

I don't even think. This can't be for germs, though. There's no way that this is for germs, because one sneeze and everybody is still getting, like, the disease.

[Rory]

You think Bobby Brown is concerned about germs?

[Baby D]

I don't think it's germs at all. That's why I'm like, I don't know. Why are they married? I just don't want to touch anybody. Like, I don't understand.

[Rory]

Mary. Don't touch Eddie.

[Mal]

Eddie wasn't there.

[Rory]

You think, don't do that. See, because we just can't. We not. We can't do that. But, yeah, we can't. This is. This is absolute. What is this?

[Mal]

I don't know. And she, like, one of her friends works for whatever that theater is, so she didn't, like, pay for the meet and greet. Her friend was just like, yo, you want to go meet?

[Rory]

Oh, you want to go meet?

[Mal]

New additional. This is for the meet and greet. But she's like, yo, if you want to go meet new edition, like, I'll just put you next to the Meet and Grease shit. We'll skip the line. And then she sent me because I was hyped for. I was like, damn, you get to meet new addition. Like, that'd be a dream for me. And then she sent me this photo. I'm like, you didn't meet new addition?

[Rory]

All right, this is why. This is absolutely insane. First of all, that. That young lady had to walk into that slot, walk past Johnny, Bobby, Ricky, Mike and Ronnie, like. And then, like, sit, stand in between a column. Well, it's not like she came from behind the step and repeat and just appeared there. She had to walk past them and then turn around and stand in that, take a picture. And then.

[Mal]

Do you think they did, like, the prison shit for the handshake?

[Rory]

They might as well had. This is crazy. This is absolutely. I just don't. I don't get this at all.

[Mal]

Do you think we should.

[Rory]

And where's Ralph?

[Mal]

That's what I was wondering, too. But once I saw Johnny and Bobby together, I was like, maybe that's all they needed. And they said, fuck Ralph.

[Rory]

Wait, is that Ralph right there with the sweatsuit? I thought that was Mike. Is that Mike or Ralph with the sweatsuit on?

[Mal]

That's not Ralph Tresma.

[Rory]

I don't know. It might be Ralph. Maybe Mike wasn't there.

[Mal]

He looks.

[Rory]

But, yeah. This. This is crazy, though. I would. I would be highly upset if I went to pay money or go see a group that I love. And this was the meet and greet.

[Mal]

Like, and the standard that Chris Brown said.

[Rory]

Is this something at the. The Encore theater in Vegas? Is. Is this their covet measures or.

[Mal]

I do not know.

[Rory]

Are they still. Because Vegas, I can promise you, is not abiding by any.

[Mal]

I know. Me and Damaris were out there. There was not a rule.

[Rory]

Yeah, I don't. This is. I don't know what this is. This is just like.

[Mal]

You can literally just pour alcohol and piss into the pool and just swim.

[Rory]

Yeah. Like, so this is not. They're not. This is. This is not.

[Mal]

I sent to y'all in group chat. No one said anything. I was beside myself.

[Rory]

I'm just trying to understand what is the lot. What is the sense behind this. Like, I don't know. This makes zero sense to have a fan standing between two fucking glass columns like this. Like, this is crazy.

[Mal]

But what a way to do meet and greets.

[Rory]

No, What a way to not even say hi.

[Mal]

Just.

[Rory]

Yeah, this is like, oh, I'd be.

[Mal]

Back to my hotel in time, so I wouldn't be sick.

[Baby D]

Well, you don't know if they said hi or not. Like, we don't know if any of that happened.

[Mal]

She went in between the two.

[Rory]

I mean, the high is not even my concern at this point. At this point, you don't have to say hi if you got me standing in between two bulletproof fucking.

[Mal]

Like, that's how they divide bus drivers in New York.

[Rory]

Yeah, this is. This is. Bro, this is crazy. I would be pissed off if I paid money to go meet one of my favorite groups. And this was the meet and greet. I would be. Absolutely nobody else on the Internet is talking about this.

[Mal]

No. I was shocked.

[Rory]

So it's like, she didn't post the New Edition show.

[Mal]

She just sent it to me. It wasn't like she posted it where it could have went viral, but, I mean, she said the show was great.

[Rory]

Wait, this girl sent this to you? Yeah, you know that girl in the middle?

[Mal]

Yes.

[Rory]

Oh, okay. I didn't know that.

[Mal]

No, I was just. That her. Her friend works at the theater, and they all went. They went to Vegas. They were like, yo, if you guys want free passes to the New Edition show, gotcha.

[Rory]

Oh, so maybe I was jealous.

[Mal]

I was like, damn, you about to go see New Edition. We was just texting. She's like, yeah, I'm on my way now to go see. And then later that night, she. She sent me. She's like, yeah, they gave Us backstage passes.

[Rory]

Okay, so maybe this is the meet and greet. Maybe this is how they treat the non paying. This is the non paying section right here.

[Mal]

Yo, the guest list photos would be the funniest thing.

[Rory]

Yeah, this is the non paying section. Like, you could. You could see us, but you can't greet us and meet us. You can see us, though. But this. This must be okay. All right, it makes sense. See, I got more information now. Okay, cool. I understand it. New Edition. Do your thing. Get y'all money, man.

[Mal]

I respect it. This is nuts to me, but I think we should implement it.

[Rory]

No, I can't. This is. I would be laughing way too much if I walked in somewhere and somebody came to meet and greet me, first of all, and I had to meet them through a Plexiglass. I would just be like, all right, man, I could have stayed home for this.

[Mal]

Still never seen New Edition. Still never seen Boys II Men. That's. That's on my bucket list. Yeah, I need to do that. And so Boyza Men is on tour or they were doing something.

[Rory]

They're on tour. They're on tour. They're moving around. I didn't look at the full. The full schedule, but I did tell Sean that I would fly out somewhere and catch them somewhere on the road.

[Mal]

So I saw a lot of people went. Correct me if I'm wrong. I believe it was the first set of Tyler shows that happened this past week. Yeah, all the footage looks really great. Very similar to the rollout, but, I mean, I definitely want to go see that Tyler show whenever he's in New York. But it looked great. I'm excited for some live performances this year. I didn't do a lot.

[Rory]

Tyler is one of the artists that I would go see live. I would pay to go see Tyler.

[Mal]

You guys know I was festival poppy. I was going to all live shows. The past two years with the baby, I have not been able to 20, 25. Once it gets a little warmer, I want to make it a thing to start going out to more live performances.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mal]

I can't. I can't have Damaris show me up crying in front of Gunna. Like, I got to top that.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Why?

[Baby D]

You always bring up the most embarrassing moments in my life. And just like, that's what we do as people.

[Rory]

We got to. It's do that. We got to bring most embarrassing moments and laugh again and again and again.

[Mal]

Like, if. If Tyler brings the Internet out, I'll cry. I'll even turn my wi fi off on my phone.

[Baby D]

See, at least I had a reason to cry.

[Rory]

You didn't have a reason.

[Mal]

What was the reason? Wait, wait, wait. You said that with confidence. Like the reason to cry for Gunner was something that all of us possess.

[Baby D]

Oh, I'm sorry. Like a man avoiding life in prison.

[Mal]

When he was not facing life. I don't even know what he's facing. Years.

[Rory]

Don't do that. Don't try to justify why he was.

[Mal]

In there crying that he was arrested as a pawn.

[Rory]

Life in prison.

[Mal]

Life in prison.

[Baby D]

He was. He was facing prison and he was able to get out. His mother was there. He wasn't cheering for him. You don't know that though.

[Rory]

We do know that Gunna wasn't facing no prison time.

[Mal]

They just didn't give him bail. So they would hope that he would plea out or talk.

[Baby D]

Yeah, and if they didn't give him bail, what, they was just eventually going to release him? Yeah, okay.

[Mal]

They released the guy that was facing life.

[Rory]

Yeah, you got it. So if you cried at Gunna show, what you gonna do at Thug show?

[Baby D]

Yeah, I cried when Thug was released. Mariah. I cried for.

[Rory]

No, no, no, no, no. You cried because Mariah was up there happy and she was crying. You didn't cry cuz Thug was a release. Don't do that. Don't try to parlay your emotions. Don't do that. Anyway, exactly.

[Baby D]

I was happy for Gun and his mom was there and his girl was there. He was happy. He was excited, like, yeah, I was happy for him.

[Mal]

All right, so I can't be happy if the Internet comes out and Steve Lacey can finally play music he likes.

[Baby D]

I mean, we cry over different things. We have different emotions. We're different humans.

[Mal]

I cried when we had to do that. Tick tock for them little kids.

[Rory]

He cried. Steve Lacey cried.

[Mal]

You're too talented. You don't need to do it.

[Rory]

He had to do that record. He was crying.

[Mal]

Did you cry when ASAP was free?

[Baby D]

Yes, I cheered. I was very happy. A teardrop.

[Rory]

I ain't gonna lie, man. First of all, first of all, before we get into it.

[Baby D]

Before you start.

[Rory]

Yeah, I gotta start.

[Baby D]

I know.

[Rory]

Before you start, before we get into it, definitely. Salute and congrats on winning the case. Being found not guilty asap. Rocky was found not guilty on all charges in his case in California. So we want to send a salute and you know, congrats to him and his team on that. But yeah, let's laugh a little bit though.

[Mal]

Well, first I want to be somebody to admit we need to stop being Lawyers on the Internet and on podcasts. Why I'm guilty of it all the time. We pretend to be experts on everything. We know absolutely nothing about you remember.

[Rory]

To be a lawyer.

[Mal]

We were on mic and definitely off mic. I was like, yo, it looks. It don't do that. It was a lot of us looking like, damn, maybe Rocky should have taken that plea.

[Rory]

Like, why do we say that?

[Mal]

Based off the information we had, based.

[Rory]

Off the evidence the court had, based off the video.

[Mal]

I saw my own eyes.

[Rory]

Listen, I'm from Harlem, too. I'm happy. I'm happy for Rocky, man. Same.

[Mal]

I told it was free. Rocky. When we were saying, now that the.

[Rory]

Case is over, let's talk some shit. I'm not going. Rory. Whatever you want to say. Salute. I'm going to cut you short.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Hey, Rocky, listen, man, you. Cause I watched the verdict. I sat there at 6:45. It said, Verdict coming at 7:20. I was tying that into 4:20 Cali time. I said, well, they about to roll this nigga up and smoke them. 420. You know how I'm looking at all of this shit?

[Mal]

It looks crazy.

[Rory]

I'm looking at. I'm like, oh. Then when it went to eight, I'm like, oh, God, it's 8:00. They're 40 minutes late. This must mean they're, like, upping the security measures outside the courtroom. I'm thinking all kind of shit. Yeah.

[Mal]

When they finally showed, looking for a white Bronco outside.

[Rory]

Oh, my God. When they finally showed that courtroom. And I'm looking at Rocky and you see his shoulders, like, he breathing heavy. He praying. I'm like, oh, shit. He don't think that he gonna be found not guilty. Because if you think that you're innocent, Right. It's a certain body language that I think that is natural.

[Mal]

Yeah. Oj. OJ had it. You know OJ had it.

[Rory]

Who else had it? Thug had it. You know what I mean? When you know that you're not guilty, it's a certain energy. Dahmer had it. It's a certain energy that you just exude. And when they panned to Rocky before the verdict was read, and I'm looking at him and I'm seeing him breathe heavy. I'm seeing his breathing pick up. His shoulders is moving, and you can see the air going in his shoulders and out of his shoulders. And I'm like, damn, he nervous. Understandably so.

[Mal]

If your last experience in prison was slipping on semen in the shower, you.

[Rory]

Don'T want to go back.

[Mal]

Would you be nervous.

[Rory]

I would be terrified. So I'm damn. So I'm sitting there, I'm on the phone with some of the homies. I'm like, damn, man. I don't know, bro. Like, this shit. I hope he not guilty. I hope they find him not guilty. But he don't look like he believed this shit right now. He looked like he nervous. He's scared. I'm like, so, you know, we sitting there. So as they're reading it, and the juror that read it, he knew the cadence. He knew to slow it down right before it got. Once he said Rocky's name, he slowed down. I'm like, this n playing game.

[Baby D]

Yeah, he definitely did it.

[Rory]

It was almost like when LeBron announced he was leaving to go to Miami. It was like, you don't slow it down if you not. You know what I'm saying? If it's innocent, it's like, you get right to it. If you're innocent, you slow it down. If he's guilty, like, damn, I don't want to read this verdict. And Rocky know he going to jail. So I'm like, oh, shit, I think.

[Mal]

He'S guilty, because that was the juror that was compromised. I'm sure he has a Bayesian last name.

[Rory]

And then when they said not guilty, man, Rocky almost fainted. His knees gave out. He jumped over the front row like Martin when he was in court for that ticket, and he just hugged Rihanna, and I was just like, damn. Like, it was like, okay, cool. He not going to jail. But then, as homies, we got on the phone, right? And we was like, yo, listen, man, their defense was it was a prop gun that flew in court.

[Mal]

And the. And even the jurors were like, no, we thought it was a real gun.

[Rory]

I'm like, wait, a prop gun flew that got the not guilty.

[Mal]

Did you ever see that? That first interview with Sammy the Bull after he'd snitched and all that on Dateline, when he talked about, like, paying off jurors and compromising an entire jury for John Gotti. If Rihanna ever gets jammed up for, like, some type of fenty money laundering, whatever. If, you know they're trafficking kids in Sephora, that's going to come out. Oh, yeah, that jury was compromised.

[Rory]

I mean, I love it, though. Listen. I love spent. Listen, the fact that Rocky is home with his family free, not in prison. I love it. Salute it. Great job to his team. Um, but then, you know, in talking to people, we kind of had a back and forth, and people didn't feel like Rihanna's presence made much of, you know, any type of decision. Like, it didn't help sway the decision at all. And while I do understand that, I understand that the lawyers did a great job. Shout out to his team. They did a fantastic job of just raising reasonable doubt.

[Baby D]

There was a lack of strong evidence.

[Rory]

Lack of strong evidence.

[Mal]

There kind of was like, we're joking. But.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Incident.

[Baby D]

The testimony wasn't there.

[Rory]

You know, he was. It looked like he didn't even know what he wanted was saying, and he didn't believe his story. And he brought up Donald Trump's ear, getting grades and all kind of. It was just like, all right, fam. So we understand that the case.

[Mal]

Shout out to Twelvey. Twelvey definitely helped, you know, shout out.

[Rory]

To all of the people that helped Rocky in his favor.

[Mal]

12 of you had years and years ago, great, great project called last year, Being broke. Did a campaign, had shirts that went crazy in New York. I had one, too. Love that campaign. Now I think this year, he should start the there's no way I'll ever be broke.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Campaign.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

No, I mean, he changed that whole case.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

No, he was like, nah. Every time I've been with Rocky since we were 14 years old, he's had a fake gun in his hand. Yeah, it's always been fake. It's been since we were children.

[Rory]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Mal]

I've never not seen him without a fake.

[Rory]

That. Yeah, we got to do. Not definitely.

[Mal]

And then the Internet's so fucking. I'm gonna say it. Everyone under there like, yo, look at all the crew snitching on each other. First ysl. I'm like, do y'all ever just click the clip and listen?

[Rory]

No.

[Mal]

12 is testifying in regards to his man's. Yeah, it's not snitching.

[Rory]

Yeah, no, it was. It was a. It was a sloppy case all around. But I am happy that, you know, I don't know. We didn't want to see Rocky go to jail over this.

[Mal]

I would have been weak in the knees. Look like, listen, there's been times where jail may have not have been that bad compared to the situation I was in already. If you have your children, your billionaire wife, your career, or jail. Yeah, my knees are buckling at that decision. Look at the two options that you have in here.

[Rory]

50. 50.

[Mal]

Prison or Rihanna.

[Rory]

Listen, I. I'm happy, man. You know, we just gotta. Let's just pay attention to the coming year or two and just see how much charitable work is done on behalf of Fenty. And in the state of California, how much charitable work.

[Mal]

All right, if you wanna go down my rabbit hole. Who is Rihanna affiliated with?

[Rory]

Rock Nation?

[Mal]

You will crumble. That was my first thought.

[Baby D]

Somebody was like, yeah, that third baby coming soon. They say, yeah, Roti on his way here. Roti.

[Rory]

Naming the baby Roti is hilarious.

[Mal]

You know what? That's a funny joke. But if she announced her next pregnancy and the headline said new baby Roti, I wouldn't even bat an eyelash. I'm like, that checks out.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I wouldn't even, like, laugh at the joke. Nothing. I would be like, yeah, actually, because they have RZA Riot. I think both those names are fire.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mal]

If it went to Roti, I'd keep scrolling. Like, nailed the third one, too.

[Rory]

Who doesn't love?

[Mal]

You guys are smoking these names.

[Rory]

Have you ever had Roti? Who doesn't love Roti?

[Baby D]

I've actually never had it. I want to try it.

[Rory]

You've never had Roach?

[Baby D]

I haven't.

[Rory]

Oh, my God.

[Baby D]

I want to try it authentically.

[Rory]

So you don't even know what you missing, Baby D?

[Mal]

Rosie Am. Rihanna is half Guyanese, so I know the Roti hit.

[Rory]

Oh, my God.

[Mal]

Because Guyana's Roti.

[Rory]

Is it? Well, shout out to the family. Shout out to ASAP and Rihanna and in their family and hopefully, you know. Rocky. Listen, man, stay your ass out of trouble, bro.

[Mal]

What does Relly do now?

[Rory]

I don't know, man.

[Mal]

Did you put all your eggs in a basket? Yeah, I mean, like, with no other. Just like Rocky, where it's 50, 50. I'm either in prison or I'm with Rihanna.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

This was either I get money to set me up or it's a dub for me publicly forever.

[Rory]

I mean, I think that was a gamble he was obviously willing to take based off of his testimony and, you know, his. His. His version of what happened that day. So maybe he's not. Maybe he's like, listen, it wasn't strong enough case to prove that what I said happened. But I don't think that he's anywhere feeling like, damn, like, you know, I fucked up. Like, he. If he feels like. If he feels like that story is true of what he said, then, I.

[Mal]

Mean, you think Rally wanted justice, or do you think Rally wanted a civil suit?

[Rory]

I think he wanted both.

[Mal]

I don't think Rally wanted justice whatsoever. I think he wanted to do the criminal because that. That way, that civil suit lasts, like, two weeks. If Rocky was guilty, it's a civil suit. Tomorrow we coming up off that money Yeah, I still think he's going to file a civil suit because we've seen even like with the O.J. case, when he was innocent with that he did lose the civil. With Nicole Brown Simpsons or whatever the fuck's family. He's only there for the money. Like, come on, let's. You really think Rally was there for justice?

[Rory]

I'm just saying. I don't know. I think two things can be true is all I'm saying. The one thing that was interesting was after they, you know, read all accounts, not guilty and, you know, the judge makes the gavel. The judge threw a salute to Rocky and his team. Like, I was like, oh, shit.

[Mal]

Everybody compromised.

[Rory]

Saw Rocky's mom in court, said how beautiful his mother was. I said, oh, this judge is. He's going crazy.

[Mal]

Billionaires. I count three, Me, Ye and Reed.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I get it.

[Mal]

Four, if you count Bron, technically. I mean, he's a rock boy.

[Rory]

I get it. I understand. But at the bottom line is you.

[Mal]

See what time it is.

[Rory]

No, we are happy that Rocky is not going to jail and not facing any more criminal charges. So shout out to Rocky and his team.

[Mal]

I hope. I hope everyone just doesn't do some dumb. Like, just let Relly go ahead.

[Rory]

Yeah. Nah, man. I think this is over. I don't. I don't think that this is. We'll ever hear any more about this. I think this is behind them. I think that Rocky understands that, you know, this was a very, very, you know, real moment for him and could have absolutely derailed his life and everything that he has going on, everything he's worked for and built. Built towards. So I think that everybody is going to grow and mature from this situation in this moment and just, you know, move on in their respective lives.

[Mal]

I think we finally need to apologize to Rolling Loud again. We love Rocky. We respect what he's done for music. We think he's a great artist. But we've questioned for years, like, does he have some blackmail over Rolling Loud? Why do you headline every Rolling Loud? And it's like, asap, Rocky and the Beatles. Like, it just don't add up when he be headlining with other people for, you know, the catalog. He's headlining the LA one, I think next month. Can we look that up? Innocent. You announce your title. Don't Be Dumb the same day. Amazing marketing. I don't. I'm sure there's not even an album. I don't think he's even recorded it on the. On the Walk out. I'm sure his manager's like, yo, what you want to call it? Don't be dumb. And his manager was like, well, we're going with that. Posted it. That Rolling Loud is going to be nuts, I think. I think Rihanna may do her pregnancy reveal on stage at this. That's going to be nuts.

[Rory]

That's a good lineup, too.

[Baby D]

Can we go?

[Mal]

They offered us something. It just didn't make sense. Oh, it's in la.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Or this is the bay. I don't know. I'm nervous, I think. I think Rally has some resentments. I think he's gonna crash.

[Baby D]

That's why you're nervous?

[Rory]

You think, really?

[Mal]

Who would I be nervous about?

[Rory]

You think really's gonna crash?

[Mal]

I don't.

[Rory]

I'm about to say, man, hell no.

[Mal]

If somebody shot at you and grazed your hand, would you want justice or money?

[Rory]

It depends on who shot me.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

All right.

[Mal]

I'll be honest. I just want money. I don't really care if you graze my hand. I don't really care if you go to jail.

[Rory]

Like, if you. My man.

[Mal]

I'm not.

[Rory]

Like, if you. My home.

[Mal]

I'm still snitching. Plenty of other situations. I'm saying if I. If we had a falling out and you shot at me and grazed my hand and you had the ability to just settle behind closed doors because you had the richest wife on earth. Just give me that money and we. We straight for life, bro. I don't care. I don't want to see you go to jail.

[Rory]

But depending on who it is, what.

[Mal]

Peach is saying that do the criminal and then civil. I'm saying, which we said a few episodes ago, why didn't they have so many mutual friends? Why not try to go that route first? Like, let's just settle behind closed doors.

[Baby D]

Because you very obviously can't trust this person. That even if this person approached with a. Oh, let's just settle behind closed doors, you can't trust this because he might do anything with it.

[Rory]

Yeah, we sitting there talking to people that, you know, if you. If somebody shoots at you, you know, then this is what.

[Mal]

The gun was fake, but this is.

[Rory]

What was being alleged here. If somebody shoots at you, you know, I think it's a. You know, it turns on a different thing internally inside you. Like, at that point, the friendship that we had, the relationship that we had, like, I want to see. I want everything and more. Not just money. I want. I want to see you in jail. You shot at me. Which means, you know, and once a bullet leaves a. A chamber you could have. That could have killed me.

[Mal]

Oh, I agree.

[Rory]

So you know what I'm saying? So you got to think about all of those things as being somebody that was being shot at. Again, allegedly. This is what happened. Being shot at. It changes whatever moral compass you think you have. Whatever you say you wouldn't do if it wasn't a friend, you know, now if it was some random guy on the streets of LA that I get into argument with and he shoots at me and you know, come to find out he's a fucking multi billionaire.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Give me my fucking bag.

[Mal]

I mean, to me, that, that would be the person that would be like, let's go to court and do the civil. If we got a relationship or some type of thing. Like, I mean, either way, I think Rocky was going to get picked up because it was on camera. I don't think it was just because of Relly. Really just was a wit.

[Rory]

Yeah. And then once you in the state of California, once you discharge a weapon, you have to go to court for that.

[Mal]

But also I. If y'all reached out to me after getting arrested and was like, if you go on that stand and say you don't know who shot and this is the price point. I do. I would do that. It's. It's the Bronx, Bronx tale to some degree. Like for $20, this person could be out of my life. If you just want to give me some money, I'll go up there, you get what you want out this situation. I'll get my peace of mind with some bread and get it moved the away from you. Yeah. I get up on that stand and say, I have no idea who the shot me for a price. For a price, for free. I'm not, I'm not ten toes gangster guy whatsoever. I will snitch on a lot of you guys if you shoot at me.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

But I'm just saying in that situation.

[Rory]

Somebody have a relationship with.

[Mal]

Yeah. And like, you be like, yo, shit got fucking crazy. I don't know what the fuck was going on in my brain. This and that. If you get on that stand, tell me what you need, we never need to speak again. Give me your wire information.

[Rory]

Yeah, I don't know, man. One of the homies that shoot at me, we are having an argument and one of the homies shoot at me. I don't know, man, it's tough. Cause again, I've never been in that situation, but it is tough to be like, nah, just give me some money and it's all good. Call it even. Stevens. You can't even Stevens after a nigga shot at me.

[Mal]

Great show.

[Rory]

Don't yell even Stevens.

[Mal]

What if we've been friends since even Stevens.

[Rory]

Yeah, but I could have not been here. I could have been been. I could have been dead like Fred, like you talking about. Even Ste. No, no, no, no.

[Mal]

Adding more to it of which wasn't in their. Their case, but like, let's say Rocky actually did shoot him. I don't think Rocky was trying to aim for his head. I think maybe. I think maybe a gun went off.

[Rory]

It don't matter.

[Mal]

Just think that's maybe what happened. Yeah, but I didn't hear what prop gun went off. Well, yeah, you know, listen, I have a bad joke that I don't want to make.

[Rory]

Alec B. Knows.

[Mal]

Okay, all right. You beat me to it. You beat me to it. I didn't hear the closing remarks. But like, what is the prosecution's or defense's theory? Like, is this a JFK multiple shooter thing? Like, who shot. If it was only Rocky. It was only Rocky. With a fake gun. There had to be a gun and another person that really.

[Baby D]

Maybe he didn't get shot.

[Rory]

Maybe he faked it.

[Baby D]

Maybe he faked it.

[Mal]

Maybe he stepped on some glass.

[Baby D]

You took it. I didn't want to say it.

[Mal]

And we, you know, we just seemed. Relly was on a boat the next day. Like, I've never seen someone do that after being shot doing Drake hands.

[Baby D]

He was on a boat the next day doing Drake hands. You ain't get shot.

[Mal]

He was doing the Tony Yayo like this. I just see. I just seen Meg twerking in a pool. Thank. Thank God that was just a one bullet fragment. Because if they would have taken Meg's foot off, that would have been a bad thing for the whole world. You saw that recent video.

[Rory]

No, I don't.

[Mal]

She looks great in that pool.

[Baby D]

Some shit you shouldn't joke about seeing. They're not funny.

[Rory]

Get him, Baby D. What's not funny?

[Baby D]

That you don't joke about that. They're not funny.

[Mal]

She's fine.

[Rory]

She's all right.

[Mal]

No, she was in a pool.

[Rory]

Yeah, it was foot grace.

[Mal]

Great, great form. I could see evenly balanced on both. Both feet. It wasn't like she was favoring one side.

[Rory]

Still able to give it to us. Still able to give it to us.

[Baby D]

She looks amazing. She just released a. A tequila too.

[Rory]

Meg.

[Baby D]

Yeah. Chicas divertitas.

[Rory]

Say that again.

[Baby D]

Chicas divertitas.

[Rory]

Chicas divertitas.

[Baby D]

Yeah, Ma. What do you mean?

[Rory]

Okay, I'm drinking diverted chicks Diverted chicks, I don't know.

[Mal]

Compromise women, Fun girls.

[Baby D]

It translates to fun girls.

[Rory]

Oh, okay. Fun girls.

[Mal]

I'm glad I didn't say what I thought it meant, but I was correct. Thought I meant horse chicas divertitas.

[Baby D]

Yeah, I'm here to support. But you gonna buy some for me?

[Mal]

Yeah, just that bottle. Like, I'm not.

[Rory]

You said buy some from you.

[Baby D]

Buy some for me. I'm not the best. I'm not the ave. I'm a lady.

[Rory]

I thought you. Yeah. Walking around selling door to door with the chicas. I was like, okay, baby, get your bread.

[Baby D]

Nah, I would. For Meg, I would do anything. I would do anything for Selena. I would do anything for Meg. But.

[Mal]

Nah, nah, I'll definitely drink some. But that. That bottle. I don't know if that's, like, for me to be chilling in the club with. That bottle's fire, you know, it's fire for. For women for sure, because it has a heart. It's just. That looks like a. Like a. Scroll down.

[Rory]

Can I see the picture? Can I see the picture of the bottle? Can you scroll down? Oh, okay. Okay.

[Baby D]

Nah. Niggas about to be swinging.

[Mal]

What if I'm on TikTok?

[Rory]

That's definitely for the. For the. For the ladies, though.

[Mal]

If. Megan, the section.

[Rory]

I hope I better not see none of you with the chicas divertito.

[Baby D]

Don't do that. Buy it, too. Y'all need to support because.

[Mal]

Because his generation was going crazy with the nouveau.

[Baby D]

Oh, crazy.

[Mal]

Y'all was going nuts with the nouveau. I was on MySpace like, yo, these guys five, six years older than me are weird.

[Rory]

Never drink nouveau a day in my life. I always thought that looked like perfume. Never, never drank nouveau.

[Baby D]

I'm gonna take a shot at the nouveau, baby. Then you.

[Mal]

Y. Y'all was. Y'all was shutting down the Kit Kat Incredible Hulk, so.

[Rory]

Shut up, man. You.

[Mal]

Well, I mean.

[Rory]

Yeah, that bullshit. Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Here on his chest.

[Rory]

Hypnotic. Hypnotic was terrible, too.

[Baby D]

Yeah, that was.

[Rory]

We don't talk about you hypnotic.

[Mal]

What was worse, Incredible Hulk or Thug's Passion?

[Rory]

I never had. I never drank any of that.

[Baby D]

So what did you drink, Mr. No Fun?

[Mal]

Damn.

[Rory]

I was drinking vodka. I was always a vodka drinker. Yeah, I was drinking Belvedere, Grey Goose. That's what I was drinking.

[Baby D]

Alize. You ain't drink no Alize.

[Rory]

Nah.

[Mal]

What was Thugs Fashion One part what.

[Baby D]

Tupac said it was. Alize and Crystal.

[Rory]

Alize and Cristal.

[Mal]

You've never heard. It's one of my favorite Pac songs. Doug's Passion One part Alize, one part Cristal.

[Rory]

Hell, no, I'm not drinking that shit. Sound like a headache.

[Baby D]

That shit. Sound. Oh. Stomach gonna be bubbling.

[Rory]

Yeah, no, I'm not doing that.

[Mal]

I'm not blaming you, but even post you guys ruining the club scene in bottle that you don't remember the Ace of Spades, Doucet mix, like, for that.

[Baby D]

First two weeks, I was doing that. I was one of those people.

[Rory]

Why?

[Mal]

Worst headache. Why. Why are we putting cognac in champagne?

[Baby D]

It was good, though.

[Mal]

It tasted fine. But it was the dumbest decision that you could ever make.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Oh, no, worse.

[Baby D]

Hangover at your life.

[Mal]

At 21, I felt like I was 40.

[Rory]

Well, I mean, hopefully Chicas Divatitas is an actual good tequila. It tastes good. And it's not just, you know, something that Meg is just putting her name on. Hopefully it's a good tequila.

[Baby D]

I bought Teremana to support the Rock. I could buy Chicas. They'll support the Rock. Tequila.

[Rory]

What's teremana? What is that?

[Baby D]

It's a tequila.

[Rory]

From where?

[Baby D]

From Mexico, nigga.

[Mal]

From the nation.

[Rory]

But I mean, like, who.

[Mal]

Who.

[Rory]

Who puts it out the Rock? Roc Nation.

[Baby D]

Dwayne Johnson.

[Rory]

I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know he had tequila.

[Mal]

In your defense, I thought she was talking about Roc Nation. I said I didn't know Jay Z put out a tequila.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's what I was like, what? Like, what is that? The Rock has a tequila called what?

[Baby D]

Teremana.

[Rory]

Teremana. What is the. What does the bottle look like on that? Is it a.

[Baby D]

It's pretty simple.

[Mal]

Is it a little rock?

[Rory]

It's a rock. Like a literal rock.

[Mal]

No, that'd be hard.

[Baby D]

Nah, Teremana is, like, simple. You would never know.

[Rory]

Oh, I've seen that.

[Mal]

Oh, wait, this is the rocks. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I know this.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's good tequila. Yeah, no, that stuff is really good. I don't know. That shit is so risky. Like, God bless the Meg and people that just launch liquor companies. Like, for every George Clooney, there's 10,000 celebrities that have lost all their money.

[Rory]

Oh, absolutely.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Business.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

But celebrity tequila has been going off like, Tara Mina is pretty successful. 818 by Kendall Jenner is pretty successful.

[Rory]

Yeah, I remember that. Had, like, a real moment.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Casa Migos, like, crazy in the hamptons with the 818.

[Mal]

Yeah. I remember when I was first working at Def Jam, 1800 tequila. Like, when you could pour, like, the little shot in the cap they had Every. Every Jeezy album, anyone on the roster was just sponsored by 1800 Tequila. They tried to make every rapper pump that shit up, sponsored every event. I mean, you could still get it, but that tanked pretty quickly when it comes to celebrities trying to do really, 18.

[Baby D]

I wouldn't say 1800. Tanks. 1800. As someone who used to bartend, 1800 was the kind of, like, this staple, bottom shelf Tequila. It was in every bar. Yeah.

[Mal]

You know what tanked with, like, the best marketing ever? Avion Tequila. When it was on Entourage, I thought, like, when I was in high school, it was like a myth.

[Rory]

Why are you saying it? Tank, though?

[Mal]

Avion Tequila was on the biggest show on hbo, period. And then disappeared. Like, that was the greatest marketing campaign I've ever seen. And not one person bought a bottle.

[Rory]

No. People still drink that?

[Baby D]

People still drink IBM.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Yo, Jeezy would take any tequila check that you could find.

[Baby D]

I see. I always thought it was Avion, but Avion.

[Mal]

Yeah, whatever.

[Baby D]

I see it.

[Rory]

Let's see. Let's see if Rory is wrong. Let's see what Avion did last year in sales. I want to see what Rory's definition of tanking is.

[Baby D]

Yo, let's see what.

[Rory]

I'm here.

[Mal]

I'm here.

[Rory]

Let's see what they did last year.

[Mal]

It's still around.

[Rory]

Because I remember when I used to be like, yo, who the fuck? Where's Echo Unlimited then? Why wearing that?

[Mal]

Let's just walk outside and see that, though.

[Rory]

No, you can't. Not in New York City, you can't. You wearing Echo Unlimited in any of the five boroughs?

[Mal]

Yes, they were.

[Rory]

Man, cut it out.

[Mal]

I'm not saying they were like the waviest guys.

[Baby D]

Marble people were wearing.

[Mal]

Worst dress burrow.

[Rory]

Yes, exactly.

[Mal]

Mad Echo.

[Rory]

Exactly. So that's what I'm saying. Laugh at them. So you would think that nobody wore that shit until I did my research. It was like, oh, these is top three every year.

[Mal]

US Polo Assassin was a running joke for half of my life. They are still like, the key store in every mall. Yeah, people wear us Polo Assassin doesn't mean like. I'm saying Avion just disappeared.

[Baby D]

I really think it's U.S. polo Association. But we used to say you, yo. We used to be like, nigga, you assassinated the polo horse. I can't believe you did that, yo.

[Rory]

Yeah, when U.S. polo association is.

[Mal]

Of course it's not. It doesn't even. Does it exist?

[Baby D]

Avion still exists?

[Mal]

Nah, man. Turtle retired.

[Baby D]

So when I was. I was in the process of becoming a bar Manager about six months ago for an up and coming bar or whatever. And they were training us and we were having all of these tequila like companies come in and we were doing taste tests. And I've tried every Don Julio on the market and I. I asked them because I know sometimes when things pop kind of like in our culture, the higher, higher ups might not. I asked him, I said, have you guys seen an increase in the sales of Don Julio Reposado? And they were like, yes. They said yes. They said, this past two years have been crazy. They said, we pay attention to all of that. She said, I know about the bottle on the head. I know about all that. And it was like some corporate white lady. And she was like, yeah, we know about all that shit. Like, I was like, oh, get off that Don Julio. Actifullio.

[Mal]

I like Don Julio.

[Rory]

Me too.

[Mal]

I can't find anything about Avion's killer. So I think, I think I'm correct with one of the greatest markets.

[Baby D]

When Rory get on that computer and start googling when we say he wrong.

[Mal]

No, because I'm. I'm actually curious. I was hoping I was wrong because I. I don't be knowing. I was just disappointed to see such an amazing. Maybe they're ahead of their time because at that point it was a vodka world. It wasn't really a tequila world when they were doing the Entourage thing. So they would have smoked that now.

[Rory]

Yeah. Speaking of smoke that. Shout out to Hov and his team for smoking that 1-800-lawyer, Tony Busby.

[Mal]

And so ahead of his time. I beat them charges like Rocky, yo, HOV is really the greatest I've ever met.

[Rory]

He the Simpsons man.

[Mal]

He's the greatest rapper of all time. How did he even predict that?

[Rory]

Listen, man, he, you know, he hov.

[Mal]

That's how he knew that he would beat the Chargers the same time as Rocky in 2003.

[Rory]

So Jay released a statement. Today is a victory to frivolous fix. Fictitious and appalling allegations have been dismissed. Was without merit and never going anywhere. The fictitious detail they created was laughable. If not for the seriousness of the claims. I would not wish this experience on anyone. The trauma that my wife, my children, loved ones and I have endured can never be dismissed. This one, 800 lawyer gets to file a suit hiding behind Jane Doe. And when they quickly realize that the money grab is going to fail, they get to walk away with no repercussions. The system has failed. The court must protect victims. Absolutely. Of course, while with the same ethical responsibility, the courts must protect the innocent from being accused without a shred of evidence. May the truth prevail for all victims and those falsely accused equally. I love that last line. May the truth prevail for all victims and those falsely accused equally. And then, as in, typical, you know, let's call him. We're gonna call him Shawn Carter. He's not Jay Z right now. He's Shawn Carter. In typical Shawn Carter, great businessman fashion, a suit was filed against Tony Busby immediately after this was released. And, yeah, man, I think that, you know, anybody. And I'm gonna say something because I, you know, I didn't even want to talk about this when it first happened, because obviously, somebody that grew up so close to Jay and can absolutely. I spoke about it. I can speak for his character. I knew that this was bullshit the moment it came out, but there were a lot of people online that have a platform, that have a voice that seem to, you know, try to drop hints at saying, oh, it's finally all coming out and all of this other dumb shit. And then now that this has been dismissed, not. Not settled, not settled, this has been dismissed. Those same people are just, you know, tweeting about other random shit and not coming out on their platforms and apologizing for even trying to give credence to some bullshit like this. People can absolutely be, well, black people. Black men can absolutely be successful and reach heights and open doors and create opportunities for people without having some sinister past and some dark history that they always love to attach. Whenever people from our culture, people from our neighborhoods that look like me reach certain heights, they love to say it's because, you know, somewhere along the way, they did some nasty shit or they traded in their morals and their integrity and, you know, they drink baby's blood and they fucking rape kids and all this other dumb shit that people try to attach to success when you're black. So I just want to say, you know, hopefully those same people are somewhere fucking, you know, just miserable and upset, and there's nothing you can do about it, because what Jay represents is somebody that put in the work, somebody that honed his skills in his craft, somebody has an amazing business acumen, somebody that still has his morals intact and somebody that doesn't have to do crazy, disgusting shit just for a check or just to reach some heights and get into some rooms that are deemed powerful and where all the successful people, you know, congregate at. Jay has a certain just morals and mana about himself that exudes class, that exudes style, that exudes, you know, integrity and I think that, you know, when people try to attack that, it's fucked up because a lot of people work hard to keep their integrity and their morals intact. And no matter how hard, you know, you try to keep your, your shit together, people celebrate at the first instance of that being smeared and being, you know, destroyed. So, you know, I'm glad that this was dismissed like I knew it would be. And I'm glad that they're also pursuing some type of, you know, charges against this 1-800lawyer, Tony Busby.

[Mal]

Yeah. And I mean, of course there's plenty of cases that get dismissed in court that shouldn't be, but if you look at the evidence of this one, it should have been.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

So to all the people that were so excited that Jay was being accused of this, are you not excited that somebody wasn't raped? That's what is always the weirdest shit to this. Don't you guys started caring about victims. Let's get Jay Z under the jail. We care. We need to protect everyone.

[Rory]

Yeah, cool.

[Mal]

And I'm with you. I think everyone that does that shit should be under the jail. We should protect.

[Rory]

Absolutely.

[Mal]

Now that this case with all the evidence that we do have can really clearly look at it and go, yeah, I actually agree with the court here. This is. There's nothing here. Are you not like, oh, all right, well, thank God a woman wasn't raped.

[Rory]

Right.

[Mal]

Then got a 13 year old who wandered from Rochester to, to Manhattan, wasn't raped at a VMA party where Jay Z wasn't at.

[Rory]

Right.

[Mal]

Like, thank God that didn't happen.

[Rory]

Yeah, no, but it never goes to that. It never goes to that though.

[Mal]

It goes, that's what it goes on.

[Rory]

He paid them off, you know, that's what he paid them off. He paid the lawyers off, he paid the judge off and all this other shit. I promise you that's not how that works.

[Mal]

Because there's been cases where I've thought people were guilty of things that they ended up not being guilty of. And you gotta sit there like, oh yeah, I mean, I thought they were guilty. Clearly they're not.

[Rory]

Right.

[Mal]

Thank God that didn't happen.

[Rory]

Right, Right. Thankfully nobody was assaulted and nobody was harmed in this story. But again, like that last line reads, you know, we want justice for victims, but those falsely accused as well equally should be. It should be justice for them. So, yeah, to that one, 800- Lloyd Good luck. Because I could promise you one thing you're going to learn about Jay is that when it comes to his name and his character he's not going to just go away and just let that just disappear. Like, they're going to pursue all, you know, whatever they can to make sure that this lawyer probably loses his. His license.

[Baby D]

And it's certain stuff, like, you just can't take back. And that was my thing with. When all of this was going on. Blue Ivy's movie came out that week, and she had to go to a premiere with her mom and her dad, and that was the headline. Those were what her pictures were being used for. Like, a moment like, that. My daughter's first movie premiere. You can't redo that. Like, it doesn't. You know what I'm saying? Like, so that just really was. That really, like, pissed me off. And it's just. Y'all, like, everybody's just worried about the wrong shit and trying so hard. You hate people with money so much. You hate. Hate people with money so much. And I get it. Being. Being poor, being one of the 99 of people is not fun. It's not. But hating rich people and wanting to see them go down for heinous is not. Like, that's not. It's not gonna make you less poor. Yeah.

[Rory]

It's not gonna help with your insecurities.

[Baby D]

It's not.

[Mal]

Well, I mean, most. Most people that don't even try to do or take any risk or try to work hard just look at that as. Oh, they only got that because they did some gay or they did some Illuminati. Like, there's no way somebody could be different than me and work really hard from square one. Like, I could see you being mad at kids that are children of billionaires and like, damn, you could have some resentment for that. But somebody that is from the projects, we supposed to be mad at HOV because he has money.

[Rory]

Right.

[Mal]

Upset at that.

[Rory]

It's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. We can all celebrate each other's success, each other's wins.

[Mal]

Wouldn't that be a better story to know that that person could come from the projects and actually just work really hard, be talented, focus on what he's doing, make the right choices and be.

[Rory]

That way from the projects? And I didn't make it.

[Mal]

But shouldn't that person in the projects be like, all right, I'd rather believe that that story is true than that the Illuminati just came to this guy in Marcy projects and was like, we choose you.

[Rory]

Yeah. You're the choice.

[Mal]

Sacrifice this child. Be gay, too.

[Rory]

Right? Yeah.

[Baby D]

Stab your uncle for us and we'll.

[Mal]

Give you can I live right. No, I think I'd rather go with, hey, this guy from my community worked really hard.

[Rory]

Yeah, he capitalized off his talent, so.

[Mal]

That means I could try to do that.

[Rory]

Yeah, exactly. That's an example of I can make it out too, but that would be asking people up too much. So we'll just have to see where this goes. But I'm willing to bet that Tony Busby will lose his. His license to practice law.

[Mal]

And I think if he has a lawsuit being filed against him, rather than him representing a Jane Doe, they may have to figure out what his real last name is.

[Rory]

You don't think it's Busby? No, we gonna find out.

[Mal]

Oh, we definitely. We're gonna find out everything that's not Busby. Yeah, I promise you that. I want to know in that and that secret meeting.

[Rory]

Yeah, but.

[Mal]

But Busby. Yeah, that's your name. But yeah. Shout out to. To that legal team. We have new music coming out.

[Rory]

New music coming out. St. John Festival season is here. If you're listening to this, I'm happy for Saint man. Saint worked really hard on this project. Check out our episode of festival season with Saint John, available now on YouTube.

[Mal]

Yes. Great conversation. Saint. Saint finally came back outside. It's been a while.

[Rory]

Yeah. No, he was out. Saint was outside. He was just. He was in a different outside passion.

[Mal]

Outside.

[Rory]

He jumped into the. He jumped deep into the, You. The fashion world, fashion scene, which is something that he loves. And he obviously incorporates in his music as well. So, you know, that takes time, that takes energy to kind of focus on that and to build that. But he has been working on this. This festival season, and this is just the first guest capsule or installation of this festival season. He has a lot of music he's recorded. I've been fortunate enough to hear a lot of it. It's a lot of great that he's doing great music. Music is a lot bigger this time around those that love Saint and you know, from his. From the beginning that Saint is still there, but the music is a lot bigger now. And that's due to his experiences in traveling and just being inspired by different things, whether it's through fashion or just, you know, just seeing the world. And he's incorporated that into this, into this album. So festival season is available now. Download that, stream that. St. John is one of those artists that, you know, he really cares about his craft. He's very meticulous, pays attention to every detail. So this is a very, you know, it's attention to details quality. This is Quality music at a high level. And it's gonna be a lot of fun, too, because it is a lot of high energy that you can really have fun to and, you know, workout party, day, party, whatever you want to do. This is definitely a very infectious album. Infectious sound. So shout out to St. John.

[Mal]

Yeah, I'm excited. The stuff I did here was great. I'm excited to listen to the full mastered project at midnight. Where we at tonight is Saint. It's in New York or Xenlla.

[Rory]

I'm not sure. I didn't speak to him. I'm not sure where he is. Wherever he's at, though, he's going. He's gonna be having a ball tonight because they. They worked hard on this. So shout out to the entire team. Shout out to Big. Shout out to Simone, everybody at Roc Nation on getting this out, getting this done. So, yeah, it's festival season, man. Shout out to St. John for sure.

[Mal]

I didn't see too much, like, singles or whatever. I think it's a lighter Friday, which I love for St. John, so he can get the focus that he deserves. Daisy, Don Toliver, and Pharrell.

[Rory]

Don Tolliver.

[Mal]

I know. I know Don Tolliver and Pharrell have worked in the past a little bit, but has it ever said featuring Pharrell?

[Rory]

I don't think so.

[Mal]

Apologies. I could be wrong.

[Rory]

Yeah. I'm not sure. I don't ever remember seeing Don Tolliver featuring Pharrell. I don't. I don't remember that. But I am happy that, you know, whatever they decided to do is called the title. Is it a single?

[Mal]

Yeah. LV Bag with J. Hope.

[Rory]

Don Tolliver is one of my favorite artists, man. So anytime we can get a new. Some. Some Don music and, you know, anything that he's. He's working on, I'm happy to hear it. And especially when you incorporate somebody like Pharrell, I'm just. My mind is already going like, okay, what did they come up with? What did the Pharrell's brain and Don Tolliver's brain come up with? So, yeah, I am excited to hear this joint.

[Mal]

Before we get to the second half of this episode, I do want to say. Everyone subscribe to our Patreon. Yes, Please leave us some voicemails.

[Rory]

We're gonna do something new with the voicemails too. I think when people start leaving great voicemails, I think we're gonna start Zoom calling them.

[Mal]

I'm down.

[Rory]

Yeah, let's start Zoom.

[Mal]

Call them. I'm totally.

[Rory]

Let's start Zoom Calling them so we can see these faces and we have a real conversation on air with some of these people that leave some of these wild ass voicemails. Like, I want to start putting some faces to these voices.

[Mal]

So I love that idea.

[Rory]

Start leaving voicemails if it's good, if it's dope and we play it on air and we like it check out, we. We will respond to you and send you a zoom call link instead of a date and time where we would need you available to answer your goddamn phone so we can zoom you and talk some shit.

[Mal]

And to the people that like to remain anonymous, we can just do audio. I mean, your voice would already been there on the voicemail already.

[Rory]

Nah, we don't see faces.

[Mal]

Nah, nah. If they want to be anonymous, that's fine. We could just have a conversation. Fuck that. Also, this is not a ploy for everyone that's trying to put out music that we are going to call you so you can rap. I just want to save Josh the headache of the amount of SoundCloud links that he's gonna get.

[Rory]

Now, that mall in there, it might be some joints in there because you're.

[Mal]

So kind to everyone that sends me.

[Rory]

Yeah, I'm gonna just let you know. If it's trash, I'm gonna let you know. But if it's dope, I'll let you know that too.

[Mal]

See, but no, I love that idea. We can reach out to everyone, give them a time and. And shoot that, because I think that that would be great.

[Rory]

I think that'd be fun.

[Mal]

Did we make any headway with the nurse? No, no, that's all okay.

[Rory]

Oh, the nurse, the nurse. Okay, got it.

[Baby D]

Damn, I forgot about your date.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

For real?

[Rory]

I don't know that lady.

[Mal]

It's your soulmate.

[Rory]

I don't even know who that is.

[Baby D]

He don't even got a soul.

[Rory]

Who, me? I got a soul.

[Baby D]

Where is that?

[Rory]

Right here. Soling my sneakers.

[Mal]

You think you've met your soulmate?

[Rory]

Do I think I met my soul?

[Mal]

That's a yes. The fact that you paused like that and then repeated the question. You don't ever do that.

[Rory]

No, because I have to think about it. I don't. You know how many women I met in my life? Rory. Yeah.

[Baby D]

I feel like you would remember if, you know if you met your soulmate or not.

[Rory]

Yeah, but I may have met how many? I could have, like four soul mates.

[Baby D]

Oh, my Lord.

[Rory]

Yeah, I'm not like, I don't. I don't have my. I don't have My girl in the kitchen and then going the other room, I talk to my souls right there. Yeah, I put my souls in the same circle.

[Mal]

Yeah, it's personality disorder.

[Rory]

Yeah, exactly. You got to let the souls. Let the souls collide.

[Baby D]

Where you think you met your soulmate?

[Rory]

I would hope so. He got a kid. He created life.

[Mal]

Amar is my soulmate.

[Rory]

Exactly.

[Baby D]

Oh, you want them. That's gonna make your daughter your valentine every year, too, huh?

[Mal]

First of all, I'm teaching my daughter what should happen on Valentine's Day for her, and she should never settle for a man that does less.

[Baby D]

That's for that. I want to spend Valentine's Day with no girl. So they'd be like, oh, I'm with my daughter. I'm with my daughter. I'm not. I'm not dating no more. With daughters every. With daughters. Every Valentine's Day, I'm like, oh, you got a date? Nah, I'm just going to hang out with, you know, my baby, my valentine. I know you, man.

[Mal]

How you.

[Rory]

Why you hating the man and his daughter?

[Mal]

And first of all, I'm not one of the ig dads. I would have spent that Friday with my daughter anyways. Every day is Valentine. I just happen to be.

[Rory]

Every Friday is daddy daughter. Like, come on. They can't do that to you. It's not your fault. Valentine's Day.

[Mal]

But you don't think you should, like, celebrate your daughters on Valentine's Day? You definitely should. My grandmother, my mother, like, every day. Valentine's Day isn't like a dun, dun, dun a thing. Like, it's not always sexual. Sometimes you can just appreciate your loved ones every day.

[Rory]

Every day. You should appreciate you.

[Mal]

I don't if I've met my soulmate, to be honest. Hopefully.

[Baby D]

Hopefully is okay.

[Rory]

You met your soulmate, baby.

[Baby D]

No, I never. No.

[Rory]

Yes, you did.

[Baby D]

No, I haven't.

[Rory]

You got jpay on your phone. You definitely met your.

[Baby D]

Stop playing.

[Rory]

Oh, you met your cellmate. I'm sorry. I got it mixed up.

[Mal]

She's trying to go to cell block one.

[Rory]

Baby, you got a weird case. Why is she around never.

[Baby D]

Don't even say no like that on no podcast. I don't even play no like that. But no, I haven't met my soulmate yet. I'm still looking.

[Mal]

I, I would.

[Baby D]

I I. If Peach keep making clips the way that Peach makes clips, I'm be single for the rest of my life. No, you ain't peach me up and.

[Rory]

Makes me think that's gonna be like, yo, baby D. I wouldn't even care if you went the other room and took a call. For real, yo, them tripping. You know, it's always a head ass out there like that. Baby. I don't even know why they mad at you in the other room. For real.

[Mal]

Like to pick me. Yo, that. Yo, they insecure.

[Rory]

Yeah, yo, they, they just. They just, you know, projecting their insecurities.

[Baby D]

There were a couple people like that. Don't call them head ass.

[Rory]

But what Peach will do is head ass niggas.

[Baby D]

Peach will take the wildest I' flip it and won't provide no context.

[Rory]

Like, no, we don't need no.

[Baby D]

Only. He only does that with me.

[Mal]

That's not true. He does it to you. But to say he doesn't do that to us is insane.

[Baby D]

I feel like he do it to me.

[Rory]

No, he do. He definitely do it to all of us.

[Mal]

We're not allowed in California because the way he clips Mall up.

[Rory]

No more California.

[Baby D]

He could have clipped any part of that conversation. It would have still been the same. There was putting out 20 minute clips of Mall at all.

[Mal]

I'm scared to run into Chris Brown because if he.

[Baby D]

Oh, yeah, that was definitely Peach. Yeah, that was definitely Peach. Peach be black and odie.

[Rory]

Well, we do have a special guest joining us today. Very talented, very funny brother. And definitely one of my favorite people that I get to watch on television. For years I've been following this comedy. So we are being joined by a very funny, very special guest. So let's get to it.

[Mal]

Yeah, no worry.

[Baby D]

And now.

[Rory]

All right, Rory. Today we are joined by a very, very funny and special guest. Comedian, actor, writer. His new show, have I Got News for you is now in its second season on cnn. And his comedy special Lonely Flowers is out on Hulu now, one of our former favorites on the Daily show as well.

[Mal]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

Had a great.

[Mal]

You watch the Daily show sometimes. Okay.

[Rory]

When this gentleman's on there. I loved his roast of former president Joe Biden that he gave us a few years ago. That was some classic shit.

[Mal]

You started watching the Daily show when they started shitting on Democrats. Like that took 20 years.

[Rory]

Get them demon rats out of here.

[Mal]

It took a long time. Listen, I love that.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

That Jon Stewart tries to be in the middle now. I appreciate it. But. Yeah, he started tuning in when they started to be critical of Democratic.

[Rory]

Come on over on this side because.

[Mal]

I would assume you thought that Daily show was funded by the Pentagon to get the. I mean, it probably for the Clintons or something.

[Rory]

It's all good. But today we are joined by a very, very special guest. Our guy, Mr. Roy Wood Jr. How you doing, my brother?

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Respect. I appreciate this. This is my transition into right wing culture.

[Rory]

Exactly. Welcome, welcome. How you feeling, man?

[Roy Wood Jr.]

I appreciate y'all for having me on, man. I also want to show love to Y for having comedians on a regular basis, man. Y'all had my partner, Felipe Esparz.

[Rory]

Yo, listen, he is a. He's. Felipe is different, bro.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

That's my boy.

[Rory]

I was trying to hold it in. I hadn't laughed that hard in a very long time.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

I'll tell you a funny thing. Follow up on one of his stories. He told y'all about the last comic standing joint where he won the money.

[Rory]

Okay. Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

He won a quarter mil from NBC for the contest. I was in third. I was there the night he won.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

We went on tour the next day. The top five comedians from that show went on tour. So imagine losing a grip and then you. Oh, with the. You lost to. Yeah.

[Rory]

And y'all comedians, so it's funny already.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

And we supposed to be like, mad, you won. I'm better than you.

[Rory]

This material.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

But then you find out that the lost the money to child support, and you're like, man, it was never his.

[Mal]

Money to begin with. You got to go ask her for that money.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

And he was the only one on the bus with a kid.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

So at the time. So it's like, yo, this makes sense. That's what got. We on tour. We making money.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

No beef aside, but that's. That was.

[Mal]

It would have been funny if, like, he tried to shave points or something and make someone else win. You'll get first place.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Then you'll just give me the money. I'll break you off or something.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

He probably could have, bro. That was like 2010. So you could have just got a phone bank. You gotta. Gotta connect in Hong Kong.

[Rory]

He could have gone a loophole.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

You seen the pictures where the niggas have, like, 40 phones.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Move it around. Move that money around.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Call the number. Vote for Felipe.

[Mal]

Who else was in that five?

[Roy Wood Jr.]

It was me, my man Tommy John again, this cat, Mike Kaplan. And Rip to New York, great Mike DiStefano. He was with us, too. That was the season Craig Robinson hosted. Felipe, though, man, Felipe just showed me how you can just move like, I don't know if y'all like. So I grew up in the South. I didn't meet my first Latino till the seventh grade. Like, the idea of multicultural, all that.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Birmingham. Birmingham proper is black. The city is 75 black. So I just. I didn't get to see how Mexicans move. Like.

[Rory]

Right.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

So being around Felipe was the first time I was like, day in, day out for like 90 cities. Just move without a care in the world.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Nothing is that important. It's important, but it's not important.

[Rory]

Right.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

This Felipe Esparza, bro, he went to the airport one morning smelling like weed.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

And he just goes, I don't have my license. And you know, as a black man, you don't leave the house without. Yeah, I leave. I don't know how you move, but I move. I keep everything on me.

[Rory]

Yeah. They know my face smelling like weed.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

And I'm not. I'm not.

[Rory]

I'm not doing that. That.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

And I go, what. What are you going to do? And he's like, I'll fig it out. We're going four cities in four days. You're going to need identification every single day on the plane, bro. What are you doing? Hey, man, it's what I'm saying. Spar of God is my witness. Smelling like. We walked up to TSA and presented his marijuana card as proof of identification. And the said, cool, enjoy your flight. And I. That's why I know, like, most Latinos ain't worried about all this deportation stuff.

[Mal]

I don't want to give you. Maybe Trump did have a point. They just. They're letting anyone on a plane with a fucking weed. You know what? They were right about that.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

I've been in the airport with no id, and it is a game of nightmares.

[Rory]

As a black man, it's one of the scariest feelings in your life.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

I don't care how many credit cards you got with your name. It don't matter.

[Rory]

You ain't got that id.

[Baby D]

Google.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

It don't matter. My man walked up smelling like Cheech and Chong with the weed card. And this is when weed was still like, eh.

[Rory]

It was still frowned upon a little bit. Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

So it ain't like now.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

So you know, that boy taught me how to just move through the world without stressing about everything. Yeah, man.

[Mal]

Well, if you don't register for any type of id, maybe they can't find you for child support. Maybe that was really what the thinking was at that point. Like, if I go get a passport or a license, I will be in the system.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Yeah.

[Mal]

And they can find.

[Rory]

Now, Roy, you started out opening up for one of my. One of my favorite comedians that I don't think gets talked about in the culture of Tommy Davidson.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Multifaceted man.

[Rory]

Yeah, I mean, Tommy Davidson to me is a legend, but it's another guy that I don't think we talk about enough. That I loved growing up, Robert Townsend. I don't think Robert Townsend gets talked about enough. When you talk about comedy, comedic writing, film, Hollywood Shuffle, one of the greatest to me, movies, or sketch comedy, whatever you want to call it. I remember having to sneak to watch that growing up. Have you ever worked with guys like Robert?

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Directed Raw, Eddie Murphy.

[Rory]

Right, right.

[Mal]

And has writing credits on it, I believe.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Here is to me one of the most unsung things about Robert Townsend. You know, filmmaker, stand up. Just a guy who has just been a supporter of the business. Him and his relationship with the Wayans and all of that. I remember 03.04, y'all can Google the stats to check it. Everybody talked about BET and they're like, oh, why bet? The only thing that's out there you ain't got to do. Why bet? The only Robert Townsend put 10 toes down, put his money up and started and tried to start something called the Black Family Channel. And it was good, clean, black family oriented content. My man started a network from the ground up. Then at the time, pre Def Jam, there was a standup show called Partners in Crime and Partners in Crime. Crime was essentially traditional black showcase show. Three, four comics in a half hour. He brought back Partners in Crime and created a new platform for black comedians to be on and broke bread with folks. And the channel never came to fruition the way that he wanted it to. But I'd be damned if everybody didn't get their bread. I'd be damned if everybody didn't get paid. I'd be damned if Robert Townsend didn't attempt to create a platform for other creators to come in and pour themselves into. Man, it was ahead of its time. And I would imagine if he did it now, 20 years later, you run it as a YouTube channel and you flip it that way and then grow.

[Rory]

It up into something.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

It's different now, but at the time he's going up against Paramount and NBC and behemoths trying to start a whole network like he trying to Byron Allen the shit and didn't have as deep of a bankroll as Byron Allen did at the time. So that was my first real interaction with him, was auditioning for Partners in Crime, getting auditioned and being invited back to tape a television show. Man, like, that was like a television credit in 03.

[Rory]

Yeah, that was gold, major.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

That was gold. Like whatever you think a TikTok or IG channel is worth to you now, that's what a single appearance on television was worth. You get booked everywhere you wanted to go after that. And so his. He continues to give back to the culture that made him. And he's never stopped that. And I think he's definitely one of the most unsung people, one of the most unsung architects, without a doubt, of black culture.

[Rory]

Without a doubt.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

In the 20th and 21st century, the.

[Mal]

Network would have worked if the CIA didn't give Tyler Perry all that money, got him the fuck out of you.

[Rory]

Is that where you think he got it from?

[Mal]

100%.

[Rory]

I mean, makes sense.

[Mal]

You don't think Tyler Perry's an agent?

[Rory]

Nah. Cause we've seen Tyler Perry, we've seen his rise. We've seen it when they went from on Broadway, live shows, Perry.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

So I used to do mornings in Birmingham, early 2000s. Tyler Perry come through with them live plays, man.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

He was sleeping in the car, being a radio station, smelling unbathed.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Oh, I'm not saying he didn't say that.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

With respect.

[Mal]

I didn't say he didn't put his thousand hours or hustle. I'm saying that. I'm saying that the CIA respected his hustle and saw him as a valuable asset.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

They co opted him.

[Mal]

Later on, he's sleeping, he's working.

[Rory]

All right, Roy, so 4547 is back in office.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Okay.

[Rory]

And I saw, you know, you have a classic, classic roast of President Joe Biden. How did you feel, first of all, during the election? Like, where were your thoughts on everything being on cnn? You had to do a lot of like, you know, talking on discussions about the whole election and everything.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

I thought it was closer than every. I thought the election was closer than what everybody made it out to be like. Everybody act like this was like four game sweep.

[Mal]

It felt that way.

[Rory]

It looked that way. Did you see the electoral votes?

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Kamala Trump was. That didn't feel like a 4, 2, 6 game series to you?

[Rory]

No, I think it felt like 4, 1. It looked good early.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

It looked good early.

[Rory]

It looked.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

And then he just ran.

[Rory]

And then it was like 20 minutes in. You just like.

[Mal]

Remember in 01 when the Sixers beat the Lakers in game one of the finals and they had swept everything. It was like, oh, shit, this is for real. And then it was a sweep after.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah.

[Rory]

It's a gentleman sweep.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

I think that the nation spoke, man. Yeah, it's a clean win. He landed all the blows. I think that the Democrats need to figure out how to connect with folks. And I think that when you get into the minutiae of identity politics, you're dividing a lot of people. So Democrats got to figure out how to appeal to the masses without losing the people that they built their base on.

[Rory]

Right.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

And I think that's the fear right now. If you're a Democrat right now, you cannot legitimately say, all right, fuck all that, what we was talking about. Let's just talk about America as a whole. You can't do that, because then you're gonna lose your base. And the people that you're trying to steal from Trump's side, will they trust you?

[Rory]

Right.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

You know, I don't. I don't know, man. I do think that for midterms and for 28, it's gotta be a new face in there. I don't think it can be an old face. Had challenges for the throne.

[Rory]

No, I think it has to be new. I would like to see a younger, a little bit of younger, having younger options, younger voices, younger ideas, running for presidency.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Yeah. I mean, you know, they talk about Newsom, and I think the Republicans respect that, too, because that's why they already popping shots at him after the fires and the tricky shit with the water. Like, that's the stuff that Trump got to stop doing at some point, because that's when it started looking all right, man. You're looking stupid. Talking about you turned the water on.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

You didn't turn the fucking water. He did. He went right.

[Rory]

Right there.

[Mal]

He went to the ocean. That's what he was.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Fire stopped.

[Mal]

It was like. It was like when he was going to nuke the hurricane.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Yeah, yeah. And so it's like, you look at a Trump supporter, they'd be like, yeah, he turned the water on. They'd be like, ah, I thought I could talk to you. Now I got to leave Thanksgiving.

[Mal]

This is pretty much every Post episode when Ma starts smoking that conversation right there. He went over. He turned the hoes.

[Rory]

Yeah, he turned the hose.

[Mal]

You know, the hoes in Hollywood. You just did that.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

I just hope, this is my hope for democracy, is that we can get back to a place where we have conversations based on policy and logic.

[Rory]

Right?

[Roy Wood Jr.]

That's it.

[Rory]

Got.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

You start there.

[Mal]

You're a dreamer.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

That's it. Because when you start looking at him talking about Gulf of America, and you start talking about. I renamed the Fort Freedom, Fort Bragg. I named it back to Fort Bragg, and then I mount McKinley, and you're using that to justify voting for the man. Yeah, it's like, if he'd have ran on that goofy shit.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

You'd have been like, what? Where the fuck are the policies, bro?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

If Trump had ran on renaming water, would you have been able to squarely look me in the face and go, yes, he is the guy.

[Mal]

I think a large majority of the country would still.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Oh, my God.

[Mal]

No, I. I think he's less of the problem. It's the people he's speaking to that are the real issue. Because, yes, I think out of a lot of the bullshit, like distraction issues that they always put with us, whether it be fucking transgender bathrooms, whatever that is, what a lot of the country. Because America is dumb. Overall, we get passionate about stupid shit. So, yeah, I can see half of the country going, you know what? Why is it the Gulf of Mexico?

[Roy Wood Jr.]

But see, but I was talking about that to one of my partners. I was like, the thing that the Democrats, like, they still have not admitted, hey, we fumbled. We fucked up the game. Like, at least in sports, when you lose, you immediately post game. Yeah, they. They beat us.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

We should have been better Democrats. The day after the election, there was emails soliciting for money. Can we count on you to support the fight? What just happened?

[Mal]

Yeah, it was like when.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Talk to me about the game. We just lost. No, we just want to look forward.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

And go forward. And we need money. That's not cool. But this is who we have in office. So you gotta figure out a way to get stuff done. You gotta figure out a way to get shit passed. It can't be Democrats filibustering the whole time and icing everything. Cause nothing's gonna get done.

[Rory]

Well, we have Trump celebrating Black History Month this month. And you were talking about some of the people that were there. Kodak Black being one of your favorite people. That's there. You said you wish you was there to ask Kodak Black.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

I wish I could interview Kodak Black. Black.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

I wish I could ask Kodak Black any question about black history.

[Rory]

Just, I got a feeling Kodak will you up and might know something.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Yeah.

[Rory]

He might throw you off. You will hear. You'll be surprised. Like, oh, okay, he knows something.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

I'm sure he does. I'm not saying he's a dumb. I'm just saying that if I was casting the list of people who I would have thought would have been at the Black History Month celebration.

[Rory]

Yeah. But Trump pardoned him, so I think that it's part of that.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Well, then just pardon me. Why you got to parade me around like a fucking it's part of the deal.

[Rory]

That's part of the paperwork. No, you see work release.

[Mal]

You see Rocky. Rocky didn't go and he got arrested again.

[Rory]

Kodak is on work release right now. This is part of his work release program.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

That's what's up by getting pardoned by Trump. You got a you, boy. Get over there, boy. Yeah, stand next to the prison. You like your party, don't you?

[Rory]

Anything other beats 15 years in prison.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Go over there. Stand next to Kwame Kilpatrick.

[Mal]

Kodak knows who that is.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

He probably think Kwame Kil. Patrick. Suge Knight.

[Mal]

Damn. He pardoned Suge, too.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Who else there?

[Rory]

Sage Steel. Okay, espn.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

That makes sense.

[Rory]

Jack Brewer, Kodak Black. Lil Boosie is there. I think Lil Boosie is.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

He's trying the microphone.

[Rory]

I think Lil Boosie is. Because he's been on Instagram. He's been trying to get a pardon from Trump. So he's been on Instagram.

[Mal]

I thought it was funny that he added Trump on, like adding someone, like explaining the case.

[Rory]

He's trying to get that. He trying to get that he adding.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Zuckerberg on a regular basis. Come on, Zuckerberg. Give me my Instagram back. I was just showing titties one time. Do you remember during COVID Yeah. Boosie kept losing his Instagram.

[Rory]

Yeah, fuck that. He was trying to entertain the people. But so now is this. Is this celebration? Is this being televised? I don't know. We're recording right now. I don't know if this is being. What is actually the celebration.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

What are they doing? I'm sure it's some plaque. Everybody at a podium and just going. And it's important that we remember.

[Rory]

Are they wearing kente cloth? Like, remember during COVID everybody had on kente cloth.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

They ain't gonna wear no Kinte.

[Rory]

And got on one kn.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Sage Steele, ain't.

[Rory]

It was all with us and with our struggle of our people.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

I didn't move you as a brother to see Nancy Pelosi on one knee. And I'm sorry, nigga, I had my badge.

[Rory]

I thought it was very entertaining to see Nancy Pelosi get on one knee because I wanted to see her get up from that one knee. Because it's easy to get down on one knee. It's hard getting back up being an old lady like that.

[Mal]

I just want to know, like, in their version of the Green Room, like, did someone come in with a plastic bag and just start handing that shit out? I want to know, how did they get sizing for the hats? Like, I really want to know. Did they steam them? Was there a stylist?

[Rory]

Absolutely.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Absolutely. I think. I think it's still dope if in his own way, Trump is recognizing Black History Month. Yeah, I think it's still.

[Rory]

I thought it was dope that. Because, I mean, as far as I can remember from presidents, I'd never seen a president at their inauguration or when they won the election, single out black and Latino voters and thank them. I've never. So I've never seen that from any president president. So I thought that that was something different. I've never seen him thank black and Latino voters for voting for him.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Yeah. I think Trump knows that he still has a lot to gain by appeasing and still picking off from the Democrats voting base, which if he's readying up for his third reelection, which I think he's gonna do.

[Rory]

Absolutely.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Then he's gotta start picking off some of that and keeping goodwill between then and now. Because. Because if you're the average voter that's not informed on a more granular level, you're just gonna see that Trump did something for Black History Month. Okay, cool. You don't really care about the politics of boosie or sage or whoever. Like, you don't care if those people can speak to political issues or whatnot. You just see that the President did something for you. As far as you're concerned, it's no different than the COVID checks. That felt like, well, you gave me $1,000, sir. Cool. Cool. You got my vote.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

So I think in terms of just at least at a base, bare level minimum, recognizing black history. Thank you. Now, if you could all do us a favor, big dog, and let us keep the black history in the textbooks that you're letting them ban because you're looking like a hypocrite, Right?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

If the black history is history, then we don't even get into DEI and all that. We can argue that later. But just if all these black people that you say is great and we should remember the history, keep them in the books. Keep it in the books, dog.

[Rory]

I feel you.

[Mal]

I don't offend young white kids that may get bullied because of it.

[Rory]

Oh, I'm sorry you don't feel seen.

[Mal]

I'm sorry I was bullied in school after history class. It was you.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

You did this to me, white boy.

[Mal]

Before we get to Chappelle and NBC, I did want to ask, before we got off the Trump thing, both sides, especially in the last, like four years, have been accused in media of getting Marching orders. I think cnn, NBC, all that is very liberal bias. And it goes without saying that Fox News is biased with the Republicans being on the Daily show and CNN in those writers rooms or pre production. Have you ever experienced marching orders or things that you can and cannot say?

[Roy Wood Jr.]

No, not necessarily marching orders, but I mean it's always stuff that you got to figure out the best way to juggle it. Like we came back on air before I quit. So this timeline matters for what I'm trying to say seems convoluted. So the writer strike happens 23, summer of 23. We come back the week after October 7th happened with, with everything with Israel and Gaza. And so the week before we came back and we know we're coming back to air. Emails are starting to fly and pictures are starting to fly now concurrently, I'm having contract negotiations to decide whether or not I'm even coming back at all.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

But at the time I'm still on the email threads and the writers threads and the conversation is about how do we want to approach this? What's the best way? Because there's no humor in the death. And I mean generally speaking with the Daily Show. So if it's a tragedy, the jokes are either in the causation or the solution. And whoever's obstructing one of the Whose fault is it that it happened or whose fault is it that it ain't fixed? Those are your jokes. You don't talk about the pain in the middle. Right. And so there was never mandates from Viacom International that go, you can only and do not ever and only this. So no. And then I quit. I made the decision to leave the show before we came back from the writer's strike. And then I got locked out all the emails. I ain't see shit else. The only thing I will say to cnn, one thing that I have found interesting that's a little different is that in certain shows there may be a certain topic that another show is going to go in deeper on. So they may stack the order. Like if you got Abby Phillip at 10 and then you got Laura Coates at 11 and then I go on Abby and it's round table. Laura's more one on one. Yeah, I can go on Abby, I can go. Yo, do you mind if we talk about pop, pop, pop tonight? Well, we can touch on it a little bit, but Laura's gonna be doing a deeper dive on that. So we're not gonna go as deep as you may wanna go on that. All right, cool. I respect that because you don't wanna take the. You don't wanna take the fire from Laura Coates. Cause Laura wants to really go in on it. And it's the same game with Kaitlan Collins, who comes on before Abby. So there seems to be a little bit of how we pepper the topics. Because what you also don't want is all of CNN primetime talking about the same shit.

[Rory]

Right.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

So you gotta kinda mix it up a little bit like that. But our show, if I'm speaking specifically to Saturday nights, we get to do whatever we want, bro. Like we're a British remake of a show that's been on 30 years. So we baptized in the legacy of a show that's already worked.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Saturday nights is supposed to be comedic. It's supposed to be weird. It's supposed to be edgy. Yeah, we've made some really weird jokes. I haven't watched last week's edit yet, but there was a Nazi salute joke in there that I know wouldn't have worked on Kaitlan Collins. Abby, Phillip.

[Mal]

Hear how Abby talks off Mike.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

So we get to take it there a little bit. But I've never been checked by anybody on anything as of yet. I think what you all are talking to, and I get what you all are saying, because I feel like the issue has been with a lot of liberal media is figuring out how to address something that the right agrees with without pissing off their base in the same hand. And I don't think it's possible to do that. You just gotta have motherfuckers just gotta be mad.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

We had on Tennessee Republican Tim Burchett. That boy, whatever. Mitch McConnell. Vote yes on Tim Burchard. Vote yes two times straight DMs. How could you have them on? Why would you give audience to this and that and that?

[Rory]

Why not?

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Hey, big dog. The next four years, they got the ball. Yeah. So if we gonna have conversations around policy and use humor as an entry point to why they think the way they think. Gotta have them all.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mal]

Cause that's like outside looking in. Even with. With like Fox with the Luigi thing, for example.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I was very curious how that was going to be pivoted in mainstream media. Because now the new Republican base is supposed to be anti establishment, anti government, anti healthcare and all that type of shit. So I was like, oh, Fox is in a pickle. It's going to be weird because they may offend some of their base. And it felt like they got a mass email to every single pundit that said, hey, we don't agree with killing CEOs, it'll put us in jeopardy. You all hate this. And then it was just the same talking point for the entire day. And I guess as, as viewers, that's how it looks across the board with media now that everyone just gets an email. This is our view today, and we're all just going to talk about it in a different way. This is what. This is what you have to stay on and then make it your own. It's like when we do ad reads. Here's what you have to say. Make it your own.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Yeah. Casper Mattress. The best mattress. I love the mattress. No, I've. I've never gotten an email like that. Like, Comedy Central is weird, though, because Daily show was always seen as, like, the weird. Like that single wide trailer outside the school that didn't really follow the rules of what was happening in the building. I can't speak on what's happening over there now, but I know, I know. Ain't nobody ever told Jon Stewart, what are you gonna talk about? And I mean, first day back, he called Joe Biden old, right? I guarantee you one, no email going out. Please call Joe Biden old.

[Rory]

Right?

[Mal]

No, please call him youthful.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mal]

He's the healthiest he's ever been.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

So it's like, even if you take a shot at a Democrat and you watch these shows, the audience will moan and they'll get all. Yeah, you know, I think the one line they've drawn, at least what I felt on a lot of shows, is if the crowd applauds Luigi. Like the shit that happened at SNL where they mentioned Luigi and the audience applauded and cheered for Luigi.

[Rory]

Right.

[Mal]

Was that with Burr's monologue?

[Roy Wood Jr.]

No, it wasn't. It was Weekend Update. Okay, Josten, Che. They. I don't remember what the story was, but they mentioned Luigi. And just off the picture, the crowd and everybody was like, oh, the liberals, you're fucking exciting. You're getting them horny for murder.

[Rory]

Yeah, horny for murder.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

You can't lean into that. But I think you can legitimately say that, hey, the dude did something that a lot of people didn't agree with. But what motivated him was something far sinister that needs to be addressed. And it's a way to say both of those things without just going, oh, murder, Murder bad. Therefore, let's not talk about any of it at all. As far as I know, on our show, we've been able to sneak in those fucking. Those points.

[Mal]

Yeah, ask. Cause Chappelle said that he was censored by SNL with his latest monologue about trans issues in Gaza. And. And sorry to our listeners, I'm repeating myself again, but I do want some of my fucking flowers. I've been complaining that the only Chappelle monologue that ever got taken down in history of snl, no monologue's been taken down. He talked about the Jews when Kanye west did that whole shit, and it's the only one you can't find. And to me, that's insane because there's monologues about molesting children that are up there now with millions of views.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

So really, the one. The most recent Chappelle or the one from a year ago?

[Mal]

Year ago, it was when Kanye did, like, Drink Champs and all that. That. Yeah, yeah, that's. Chappelle went up there, said a few things. I think the one line was, if they're Italian, it's a mob, they're black, it's a gang. If they're Jewish, it's just a coincidence and we should never talk about it.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

And that was the closing line.

[Mal]

Yeah, pulled the whole thing. It's a brilliant monologue. It's one of my favorite Chappelle ones. And it's gone. So this doesn't shock me that Chappelle said this past week when he went on that he couldn't talk about trans issues or Gaza, which, I mean. I mean, cool. He's ran the trans thing to the fucking ground. So just from a comedic level, I don't really care if he talks about that or not, but limiting Chappelle to not talk about Gaza at that time on a platform like SNL is. That's crazy.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

What I would have loved to have heard is what he would have said or done. You know, I've seen the actor. Chappelle is touring at least the material of the last. Let's just say four or five months. Right. Just from the. The top of 2025. And he's got some stuff in there about Gaza, but I didn't see all of that in snl, so I don't know what he told him for the next hour or whatever, but he mentioned Gaza in the.

[Mal]

At the end of.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

But it was more of a plea to Trump about doing the right thing.

[Mal]

Yeah, it was just one line at the end. Pray for Gaza.

[Rory]

Pray for people that's being, you know, lost their homes for due to fires and things like that. Then we have to pray for people in. In Gaza as well.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Yeah. Regardless of how you lost your home, you lost your home.

[Mal]

So, I mean, I don't know, I find that a little odd because, I mean, if Lorne Michaels, who is a legend but is also supposed to be more on the liberal, non censoring side, of course it's still NBC at the end of the day.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Yeah, it's all censorship.

[Mal]

But he's supposed to be that liberal comedian that always pushed the boundaries which made SNL when it was taboo to say certain things on tv, he allowed it. So we're stopping now because of the Jews. Like, that's where we draw the line on everything.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

It might be for him. Him depending on where the money come from. Yeah, I think, like, I mean, but that doesn't.

[Rory]

We've seen Dave walk away from more money than most people probably would ever walk away from. So when you say that, it confuses me because it's like. But we've seen Dave stand on things that he believes in, walk away from a lot of money and still be able to come back and still be as successful, one of the greatest ever. So now for NBC to have him on SNL again and then try to censor somebody like Dave Chappelle doesn't really make sense to me. Cause it's like, well, we know who Dave is and you know what he stands for. But like you said, where's the money coming from? I just don't. Is it just about the money, you think? Because we've seen Dave completely not give a fuck about money.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Absolutely. So then I think Dave still saw it as a value judgment. All right, you don't want me to talk about that? Well, I can talk a little bit more about this. And maybe this appearance still makes sense for me. It's still an opportunity to get some reach. And then I'll just out you on the backside. And then knowing Dave, he's gonna take the whole experience and just put it on stage. And it'll be on Netflix in a couple months.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Mal]

I mean, I think this may be the one time where I don't actually think it's about money. It's about that community. Because I think there is unfortunately a lot of money in being pro Palestine and talking about that on a network. I think there's plenty of advertisers that would want to get behind that message because they would deem it to be the cool message. This is a community thing to me. This isn't losing money. This is, hey, I'm part of this community. And this community doesn't play that type of.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Okay, so then that means that this community doesn't play this type of shit, then that means that if you let somebody on your show to do something that I don't agree with, then what's the cost? And then you have to ask yourself, if you're Lauren Michaels, are you willing to pay the cost for letting someone come on your show and do something that pushes back against people that have supported you?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

And so that's why I feel like the idea that this idea of freedom of speech, man, is. It's very loose, you know, it's very gelatinous. And we try to act like freedom of speech is this concrete thing that. That we're all entitled to and that you will get it no matter what. I don't care where you go, who you work for. If you say some, eventually you will come to a line where someone goes, we don't. With that.

[Rory]

Right.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Like, it's been Cats that's been banned. I know Cats. I know Cats that got kicked off Twitter, then went to YouTube, then went to Patreon, and then went to their. What's the. There's another one. Only fans. It's not only fans.

[Mal]

This is before getting banned from Only fans. Crazy. Phillips. We'll get to that.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

I bet you. But I bet you only fans has a line, too, where they go, all right, you can't do that.

[Mal]

Yeah, they have a line. If they got caught, if someone brought attention to some wild on their platform, then they'd be like, of course.

[Rory]

Yeah, of course.

[Mal]

We don't subscribe to this.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

You know, I don't know. It's like, it's. If they. I'm not surprised that a network told a performer, please don't do something that could start a bunch of. With people that could be bad for our. I'm not shocked that that happened. Dave choosing to still go along with it, to me, is strategic. I don't think it's him just laying down and allowing himself to be told what to do or whatever.

[Rory]

But I think that the thing that comedians have is y'all have this ability to push the line and say things and you get to laugh. You get the. You know, the LOL button, we call it. Like, people laugh at it, but you have. The great ones have a way of saying things and having the truth to it still making people laugh, which is something I think Dave Chappell does well. Chris Rock does well. Even you done very well throughout your career. Is that something that. Cause quick story. I was at a restaurant over here and at a bar, sat down. Chris Rock was sitting there, and he was writing. He was Looking at something on like his phone, which looked like news and things like that. So I'm like, okay, so this is like, to me, it seems like this is the time where comedians understand what's going on in the world. They take things that are going on real issues, Try to find that fine line of let's address the issue, but let's also try to find some humor somewhere in there where it's gonna kind of take the heaviness off of the situation. Cause even through tragedy, people still need to laugh, people still need to be entertained. That's something I think we'll never get away from. But is that something that as a comedic writer you stand behind? Like, okay, this is a real world issue, but let's try to find that funny moment where we all can come together and agree and like. Yeah, yeah, that is true.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Yeah. And I think. And that's where you start getting into the censorship because the joke is just the delivery vehicle for the message.

[Rory]

Right.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

And so if you have a network where you don't want a particular message to be as verbalized or broadcast to people, then I can't let that joke happen.

[Rory]

Right.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

And I don't care how funny it is. I just don't want that message on my particular channels.

[Rory]

Right.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

So that's where you start getting into the censorship of it all. And I mean, that's not just Israel, Gaza, that could be trans issues, gay rights. I mean, I mean, just on a, on a more surface level, when you do late night, sometimes when you do a set on a late night show, hey, could you not do political jokes? And they just say, fuck all political topics. Yeah, don't even talk about gun control. Come on here and talk about your kid and buying a stroller at Bye Bye Baby. Like, do that joke instead.

[Rory]

Right?

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Because you'll send a Booker a 10 minute chunk. And from that 10 minute chunk they go, here's the five that you should do on this show.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

And they'll pick around all that edgy shit that you. Man. Yeah, you know, I had, I had a joke years ago on Letterman. It was the only time I was on Letterman. Probably why it's somewhere on YouTube. But I went on Letterman and I don't remember the setup of the joke, but essentially it was about Mexican farm workers and just. I don't wages or some.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

And the basic premise was that, you know, I respect Latinos because in America, if you're, if you want your group to be respected, sooner or later you have to pick fruit, you have to pick, pick an item. You have to do yard work in this country. If you want rights, we need to know. You did yard work.

[Rory]

Right.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Asians did the railroads. You know, black people as Mexicans. And that's all a joke. And the emails after that. Yeah. We're just not sure if that was the right. It was funny. And the layers of approvals that have to happen. Every word in late night. If someone's performing on late night, there's a transcript.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

There are no surprises anymore in late night. It's like, you want to talk about censorship? Like, we need to know every word so that if you deviate from a word, we know whether or not to cut your mic. So, you know, I don't know, man. I think that, that. I think that every network, every place has a line in the sand of what they're willing to allow. I just think that freedom of speech is just freedom of speech so long as it doesn't fuck up my bread.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

It's generally what it seems to be in our society now, especially with all these media companies, you know, they broke. All these media companies are broke, so they can't afford. Yeah. They can't take to lose one penny of advertising.

[Mal]

Yep. And, I mean, the only time I think I've seen someone really go off script, ironically, was Jon Stewart when he was on Colbert with the COVID shit. That was the first time I was like, oh, there was no teleprompter.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Oh, yeah, we was talking.

[Mal]

We had, like, Chris Stephano on. He was saying the same shit of like, yeah, I had to submit my whole set. Like, I was reading a teleprompter of my own set. You can't miss a word watching Jon Stewart do that shit. I was like, yeah, there's no way that was on any cue card.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

But you have color space. Yeah, for sure that. And Chappelle has earned that.

[Rory]

Absolutely.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

If Chappelle went off script the way he wanted to, he still would have. It still would have aired, and then they would have scrubbed it from the Internet the same as what they did with the Kanye shit.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

But the average performer does not get that freedom. And if you want that freedom, you have to do what you all have done and create your own space for it. Because it's a lot of what. What we've even talked about just now. Now, that ain't getting green lit for a chit chat with Jimmy Fallon.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Jimmy wants three topics for you to talk about today. Black History Month at the White House.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Kodak Black.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

We'll have to pan to the roots during that conversation to get approval.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

What about your son? Is your son. Does he like Legos?

[Rory]

What about your son? Yeah, yeah, Ozzy, do it. Let's talk about these flights, man. What? Roy, what the hell is going on with these flights as people that travel?

[Roy Wood Jr.]

I don't know bro, but I'm trying to hit a lick they offer.

[Rory]

So the Delta Airlines. The latest one Delta Airlines flight from Minneapolis crash landed in Toronto. If you saw the video, the Runway looked like it was full of snow, ice everywhere and it flipped upside down. But now Delta has responded and they're offering each passenger. Luckily nobody was. No lives were lost on this. On this crash. But Delta has responded and they're offering $30,000 to each passenger that's on that flight.

[Mal]

I was with Roy. I'm here to catch a lick. Like I'm one of those people that like walks on the crates in New York City, like hoping one of them will fall. Yeah, I'm about that.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Yeah.

[Mal]

But 30k? Nah, the way that shit flipped over, I don't know if 30k is, is the lick that I'm.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Yeah, that's a six digit plane crash.

[Mal]

That's a risk for 30k after taxes.

[Rory]

I need six. Six. Yeah.

[Mal]

It was a fireball.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

It's the best possible scenario. I don't know if you saw the footage of it. The plane crashes, slid, it rolled. Because it rolled, both wings broke off. That's where all the fuel is. Yeah, you basically like the fireballs behind us. So now we just in a tube rolling. Yeah, I'm with that, bro. Roll me in a tube. Down a freeway. Planes land at about 150 miles an hour. Give or take a little slower maybe depending on the size of the 150 miles an hour in a tube.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

300 yards. $200,000 I think is the number.

[Rory]

That's what you're comfortable at.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

I think 200 is this we talking.

[Rory]

About after taxes shit.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Lawyers and.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

And you got. This was in Canada. So you have to figure out that whole currency exchange situation.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

700.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah. Comfortably 700 like settled. We don't even need to take it to court. Here's the money.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

I'll sign whatever. Med, medical waivers, whatever. Like I gotta, you know, give me a couple neurological. Give me some free MRIs to make sure my straight.

[Mal]

But going in. Do you know that you're gonna survive? Because that's. I would do it, I would do it for 20k if I knew I was just gonna roll and I fly.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Those are CRJs. I fly that all the time.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's like when you're going down to D.C. from New York.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

A little two hour flight plan. Yeah.

[Mal]

And any from New York to Toronto, that's the same plane every time.

[Rory]

Yeah, I. I'm getting on a Delta flight tomorrow. I'm scared shitless.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Y'all should be. You know, they fired a bunch of air traffic controllers. They're doing a bunch of layoffs at the faa. There were two planes that just collided. Two single passenger planes in Arizona over an airport that has no atc. So, like, small airports, there's no, there's nobody there. There's no crossing guard. It's just, yo, if you know what you're doing.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

After a thunderstorm and the power's out and you just got to trust each other to inter section.

[Mal]

But the sky, the sky now you.

[Rory]

Got to hit your high beams, you know, you let the know in front of you. Now you got it. Hit that high beam three times. Now you go, you know what?

[Mal]

I'll just pull over and let them decide.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

That is a stressful job, bro. Them is trying to keep 30, 40 planes all in air.

[Rory]

I thought it was interesting how the stewardess was saying, don't record, like telling people, don't record anything as they would, like, X in the plane. Like, we don't want this to. No, no, we recording this. I need this for my lawyer.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Like, I need documentation.

[Rory]

Yeah, I need to see you show y'all. Me getting off this flight that's flipped upside down on the Runway.

[Mal]

I would have went right on twitch if I survived the Sully Hudson miracle shit, I would have been live streaming like through the water, like, yo, it is cold as fuck.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

We in this bitch.

[Mal]

You gotta remember who you know be on the wing.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

You know what you didn't see, though, in that Delta evacuation video? What you didn't see is whoever was in that exit row seat who was supposed to bend their monkey ass right there helping everybody else. They gone scared ass motherfucker.

[Rory]

Yeah, I'm out of here.

[Mal]

But we, we talked about that a few weeks ago, I think, right. When I just went on a trip of how much the airline industry doesn't give a fuck about us. Because I've sat in the exit row a million times. They walk by, be like, yo, you good? I'm like, yeah. Do you want to know my name? Like, anything about me?

[Rory]

No, no.

[Mal]

Like, if I can handle a pressure situation. Are you okay?

[Rory]

Yeah, I'm cool.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Can you lift 50 pounds? Yep. I didn't Read card in your seat, back pocket.

[Mal]

Why are you giving me an attitude about your safety? Yeah, so, yeah, they don't give a fuck. They put anyone there. They'll put an air marshal in first class, but not an air marshal next to the exit row.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

But see, this the issue though. And this come back to Trump. The Delta crash, the Toronto rollover happens, then Arizona happens, and then Pete Buttigieg is trending on Twitter.

[Mal]

He sat in that same seat.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

It's his fault and he's in charge.

[Mal]

It's because he's gay.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

The gays are ruining the sky. Like, that's where it's like, come on, man, y'all got it, Y'all won. Y'all in charge. Own it.

[Rory]

He's a ruin in the sky.

[Mal]

No, I just find it because, you know, I be on Republican Twitter sometimes for laughs and like after the thing that happened in dc, all these like out of shape fucking bum ass Republicans are like, this DEI pilot, I'm like, shorty has a thousand hours in an Apache helicopter, she'll whoop your ass. There's people that do nothing, contribute nothing to society. Not healthy. Are saying DEI to someone that knows how to fly.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

You know, that's what they're already spending on this.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, too.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Because the company that runs that CRJ service, they, they have done a lot of all women flights before and they're going, this is the same company that.

[Rory]

It's stupid.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

It was a dude on that flight though. But now you're just going with this company as a whole. So now is it any comp. Is it all women that crash planes, are all blacks? Or is it companies that hire. Hire all women and blacks? It's like, all right, now you stretching the narrative a little bit. Yeah, but there's no way, as a Democrat, how do you fight back from that? That's the problem is that. That is working, bro.

[Rory]

It is.

[Mal]

Yeah. No, it's definitely working. But it's. It's also working because not all Democrats, but most Democrats do try to make sense to some degree. Republicans throw common sense. They don't. They're not going to let that up their arc argument. Like the fact that they put this woman in charge of the JFK files that the Republicans put. I'm like, where is there the. Where's the DI now what does this woman do? She can't read women, can't read the Democrats. What does she know about the CIA?

[Roy Wood Jr.]

The Democrats best defense against Trump so far has just been. Nuh, that's it.

[Rory]

Nuh.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

This de And I crashing the plane. Nuh, stop. You had a fight back.

[Rory]

Yeah. I love it though, man. It. I mean, not people crashing. I'm.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

I get what you're saying. Yeah.

[Mal]

But even then, all the Republicans, like, any woman that they put in charge of something, none of their base will say di. They'll be like, oh, well, she agrees with Trump, so she must. She must be smart.

[Rory]

I just think it's funny.

[Mal]

She's fit for the role.

[Rory]

Spirit Airlines is thriving and plane hasn't crashed nothing. They just like, y'all had all these jokes for us for years about Spirit Airlines. Airlines. None of our. None of our. None of our planes have went down.

[Mal]

Like Frontier thriving.

[Rory]

Yeah. Like, we chilling over here.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

That's what Spirit should tweet.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

If I was. That's funny. If I was another airline, I'd be talking.

[Rory]

You have. If you Spirit, you have to lean into all of this. Like, we talking about, like, find a tragedy. We understand.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

But y'all know who ain't crashed yet.

[Rory]

Exactly.

[Mal]

The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Yeah, that should be the tweet. Let's. Let's get to this. Lizzo, man, I. I don't. I don't want to be horny, but Lizzo, look, alright, man, but Lizzo. I'm not mad at it, man.

[Rory]

Lizzo has always been pretty. We. We've talked about this.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, Always. For sure.

[Rory]

Always been pretty.

[Mal]

Now it's a little different.

[Rory]

Always been very positive and very, you know, secure about her body and her shape.

[Mal]

Cool.

[Rory]

But now she's just different. Yeah, but now she's focusing on being healthy and getting in shape and working out. And now she's, you know, doing the same thing she's been doing. She's been showing her. Her body. This is just, you know, her new body ever since she decided to go on a health journey.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Yes. Wrap it up. I mean, you get the new body, you want to show everybody. Hey, look at my ass.

[Rory]

No, she was showing the body before she got kicked out of the staples.

[Mal]

Well, I'm saying now she should go to a Lakers game with her ass out. Now I believe she's okay to do that. Before I didn't. I didn't feel that way. Yes.

[Rory]

Now it's.

[Mal]

Now it's okay.

[Rory]

Okay. Got. Now it's like, all right, that's. That was too much before.

[Mal]

You can have your ass out in front of children now. I don't care.

[Rory]

No, Lizzo looks great, man. Like, she looks great. I'm happy that, you know, she's on this health journey, working out, exercising, eating, Eating right. Cause her music, her talent. Lizzo is very talented. But, you know, she falls into that category of probably trying to do things to get attention. That's not music related, but she's super talented. And I just love the fact that she's on this whole journey and taking care of us.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

How do artists or do artists. How do artists or do artists have a responsibility to the feeling of abandonment they may create within their fan base when they've built a following on body positivity?

[Mal]

It's a really interesting question because there's.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

A lot of people. Because the same thing happened and it's a little funnier in a way. But the same thing happened with Monique Way early Queens of Comedy. Monique Physique is not Monique now. And then Monique wrote a book called Skinny Bitches are Evil or Skinny Women are the Devil or whatever. And then every big girl was like, wait a minute, bitch, why'd you get skinny on me?

[Rory]

Yeah, right, right.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

I thought we was in this plus size shit together.

[Rory]

Y'all thought we was big for life.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Yeah, yeah. So I, you know, I. I think it's. I think that when there's backlash for losing weight, right? Cause like, Lizzo, like, even in losing weight, she's dealing with backlash from people going, well, I thought you was supposed to fucking stay that same shape and love who you was.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

I think it's about just loving yourself as you are and just being allowed to change.

[Rory]

Absolutely.

[Mal]

It has to. With, like, the messaging because, well, she can't lose her fan base is saying, understanding that some people just hereditarily cannot lose weight and some people just can't get Ozempic either. Still making sure they feel good about themselves, but also pushing, hey, we also need to be healthy. Like, I don't think. I think there's some good shame and some good bullying to some degree. I think there is a line. I think we should bully people to be healthy. That is very important. I'm not. Not like actually on their entire life. But you should encourage your fan base, if they are overweight by choice, to be healthy. Yeah, I don't think that's a bad message to tell the pace that you've been encouraging to embrace your curves.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Okay, then is it about then? I don't know. The comedian in me goes, well, then do you have to acknowledge the change? And what. Because like most comics, when they go through an evolution as a person, there's a special that could. Okay, y'all, I've decided to lose Weight now. And, like, Jim Gaffigan is a great example of this shit. Gaffigan built his whole career on Chubby, Hot Pocket and all that shit.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Last special and talks about it.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

So I think that, you know, I don't know, I wonder if there's a disconnect, like, how do you. How do you feel good about yourself without making people feel bad about themselves at the same time. It's.

[Mal]

Sorry, I'm just laughing at a Jim Gaffigan fan going, he got skinny on me.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Yeah.

[Mal]

There's no way men are doing that.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

That saddened them more than him being anti Trump. They were fine with him. Not, like, in trouble with gaffing, lost weight. They're like, wait a minute.

[Mal]

I mean, yeah, I definitely think with women, it's obviously a bit crazier, but, yeah, she needs to have that one sit down, interview F. Find some woman in media. I don't know if it's gay Baby.

[Rory]

D. How do you feel about Lizzo's new portrait by Baby to the old picture of herself?

[Baby D]

Well, I don't know how Lizzo felt about her. I know what she portrayed to feel about herself, but I don't know what she actually felt about herself. I know some people look at it, like he said, as a betrayal. But if you weren't eating right and doing the things that you were supposed to be doing, or even if you were and you weren't making. Sometimes when you're not. When you don't like the way that you look, you make really stupid decisions about the people you keep around you because you don't feel like you're worthy of better. It could happen subconsciously, and you don't notice that until you're out of that space. But it's like, I could have only been dating this, the man that I was dating, because I felt like I wasn't good enough for something better. So even if she wasn't ashamed of the way that she looks, it's more of a. I didn't feel like I was good enough, and I allowed people to treat me like I wasn't good enough. So that could be the by bitch. She's talking to the person that made decisions like that. But I don't. I don't know. I can't speak for her, but I do. I do get where you. You're not gonna win if you lose the weight. People are gonna be like, oh, it was supposed to be fat bitches for life. But if you don't lose the weight, you're getting dragged, like Even with y'all making the jokes of, oh, she could go to the Lakers game half n. Now, if she was a skinny girl when that happened, nobody would have given a fuck. Girls be half naked all the time.

[Mal]

No, that was a joke because when that did happen, we were on the side of nobody should have their ass cheeks out at a Lakers game. Yeah, nobody should know it's a Lakers game.

[Baby D]

If Dre was out at the Lakers game with her ass out, y'all wouldn't be complaining.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Stop.

[Mal]

I would say, put on some fucking jeans. You're at a basketball game.

[Rory]

No, that's not true, baby D. Because we. When Kanye and his wife did the red carpet for the Grammys, we was.

[Mal]

Like, she looked great, but what the are you doing?

[Rory]

Yeah, that's naked. We could see your lip, like, on the red carpet.

[Baby D]

Well, Rihanna wore that diamond so ski diamond dress. You could see Rihanna's nipples back of her ass. Stop. Stop.

[Mal]

You don't even believe what you just said. There's something has to do with taste, art, fashion, etc, as compared to being butt ass naked with your out at an award show.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's a little.

[Mal]

Please tell me that outfit was very nice.

[Baby D]

Y'all are. It's all about.

[Mal]

It's all about creative fashion connoisseur.

[Baby D]

So it's. But is it about the fashion or is it about the body part? I'm just saying because plenty of people show up, but body parts. But because y'all like the outfit more.

[Mal]

I think what Lil Kim did was more iconic based off a fashion and moment than her just walking on the red carpet butt ass naked. That's not a moment.

[Baby D]

But I'm not talking about. We're talking about Lizzo. Can we pull up the. The picture of Lizzo with her ass out?

[Rory]

I just. I mean, when she went to the Lakers game, it was just like a T shirt, and the ass was cut out in the bottom of the T shirt.

[Mal]

Like she was trying to make a moment. It wasn't like, yeah, it was like.

[Rory]

It was like. You know what I mean?

[Baby D]

Yeah, she was trying to make a moment. But if. All I'm saying is if she was a skinny, deemed, like, hot girl, nobody would have cared. Nobody would care.

[Rory]

I think people would have cared. I think people would have cared because it's like, yo, first of all, you got word like T shirt and just the ass is cut out on the T shirt. Like, people would have talked about it. Like they talked about, you know, Bianca on the carpet. But it was like, that was just completely new. Now if you're showing, if you have a dress on like you said with Rihanna, and it's showing a little nipple, you know, nipple kind of sheer kind of dress this a little more taste and class. It's time and place to me. I think. The Laker gang.

[Mal]

No, that's just like Rihanna at the award show.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's just, that's at the Laker game.

[Baby D]

I, me, personally, I, I don't want anybody to wear that. But I'm just saying when it comes, when it comes to the standard when, when men start picking and saying, oh, you shouldn't wear that and this, this and that, it all depends on who they're attracted to. So my point, my original point in that is when you are smart smaller, you're berated less like, it just is what it is. So she's gonna catch backlash no matter.

[Mal]

What the she and I feel you on who Lizzo maybe had in her life or whatever. This and that. But also, she may have went to the doctors and they said, hey, your organs are not doing great. The valves in your heart suck. You need to get healthier. And I'm sure Lizzo didn't go, oh, no, but my fan base wants me fat. No, she cares about living longer. I'm not gonna sit and think, like, I'm gonna offend my fan base and then I'll die. Like, nah, yeah, I'm gonna get skinny.

[Rory]

Well, either way, she looks, she looks great. I mean, I'm happy for Lizzo. She looks like she's happy. She looks like, you know, she's in a better space, obviously, physically.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

So she seemed like she'll give us like two more albums than a daytime talk show.

[Mal]

Yeah, that seems right.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

And I mean that in a good way. Like, daytime talk requires a level of joy.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

In your heart.

[Mal]

Like, Lizzo getting skinny is way less of a problem than Lily Phillips A Thousand Men. To me, that's a, a worse message.

[Rory]

Now this is, this is crazy Lily Phillips, who obviously did. She, she did a orgy, if you want to call it slept with a Thousand Men a couple weeks ago and now she's reporting.

[Mal]

Is that an orgy?

[Rory]

Well, I mean, a train, whatever you want to call it, a long ass train. She announced that she's Amtrak.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

She's pregnant. She's.

[Rory]

She's pregnant now as a result of this train ride that she went on, which one of the lucky passengers do you think is going to come forward and say, oh, and how do you even go through that? Do all men now have to take DNA to paternity test. Like, how do I.

[Mal]

Then I guess they'll go in order. And if it's the third one, then they'll save some money. But if. If it's a guy that went last, then they're going to have to go through everyone.

[Baby D]

She's probably faking this.

[Mal]

I'm probably on that side, too.

[Rory]

Really? You think so?

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But why would she fake this?

[Mal]

Not to say you can't control me.

[Baby D]

Her brain.

[Rory]

No, but that's why I say, why fake this if she. She slept with a thousand men. So it's like, why. It was 100 men.

[Mal]

No, she's 100.

[Rory]

That's not. Oh, Bonnie Blue was a thousand. Lily Phillips slept with a hundred men.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Okay, that makes it better.

[Mal]

This is wifey material.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

That's fine.

[Rory]

Yeah. So we could. Yeah, she's a. She's a.

[Mal]

The other one's a. But this.

[Rory]

This one is a very, very, you know, respect, Respectable.

[Mal]

This is a nuclear family.

[Rory]

But how do they go about this, though? Like, how do they find. Find who the dad is? If this is.

[Mal]

Everyone has to do DNA.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

You gotta. You just subpoena everybody.

[Rory]

That's crazy.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Get paperwork.

[Mal]

Also, I think in that window of the hundred men, there's no way she didn't sleep with other people, too, that month. Like, I think it's more than just a hundred.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

How would you.

[Baby D]

No, she probably, like, fasted, like, right before, you know, right before Thanksgiving. You kind of, like, just do green juices.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Like, I don't think she.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Tighten it up.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Get it ready for the big fight. You gotta rest.

[Rory]

Yeah, she got Kegels. You gotta meet that weight. Gotta beat that catch weight.

[Mal]

The HBO 20 for 20.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

God, imagine being that dude. Imagine being the dude. And it's yours. And you got to explain to your son that is crazy that that child has lost already. Every fight in school. Every. Every dozens. Every Joan, they can't win.

[Mal]

We used to talk, like, 10 years ago of, like, damn, pick a wife out this bunch. They have some racy photo on Instagram that you have to explain to their kids. Kids gonna bully them. Bring it back up. I never thought it would get to this. That woman with her ass out on Instagram is gonna look like a saint when all our kids are in middle school getting bullied.

[Rory]

I don't know. I mean, I have some friends in the adult industry. I've never really asked, but I just assumed that she would be on birth control during this.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

That's what I would have thought.

[Rory]

This feat that she was trying to accomplish. Like, I would have assumed she was on birth control.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

That have been my first question when the subpoena show up.

[Rory]

Yeah, like, she wasn't on birth control.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

You weren't on the pill, motherfucker.

[Mal]

You can't stop God's plan.

[Rory]

That is true.

[Mal]

This is the Lord. The Lord was in the room and whatever was going to happen, was going to happen.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Lord can get the hell out of here.

[Rory]

If I'm the father. Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

I'm not.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I feel. I think this is the only time it's okay to abandon your child.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

You deserve a child. If you get in line for that, you deserve. You deserve a reminder.

[Rory]

It takes a certain type of man to kind of step up and take that test and then it be the father and then say, okay, I'm going to raise this child. That's a. You might be dad of the century if you do that. Like, how do you step up to that plate and say, okay, I'll. I'll raise him.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Imagine being able to Google your conception.

[Rory]

And watch it and watch it like, there it goes right there. That's when you just.

[Mal]

That's the nativity scene that there goes right there.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Just watch yourself being created.

[Rory]

It's crazy.

[Mal]

And, you know, kids are curious that they. That kid, especially with those genetics from that woman. And any man that would wait in that line, that kid is looking up.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

How he was saying that, bro. Yeah, that kid is a fighter.

[Rory]

He's gonna be somebody. Whoever this kid is, he gonna be somebody, dog.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

My son is third grade and he came home one day and he told me, I Googled Roy Wood Jr. And I go, what you find Comedy stuff.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

I go, what you google after that Roywood Jr. Kid? I go, what you find? Pictures of me, you and mom? Yeah, good.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

What if that.

[Mal]

But you have to understand your legacy in comedy is one thing. I don't think this woman's ever going to top this legacy. So the moment he types in just her name, period, he's not going to have to type in and kid.

[Rory]

No.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's popping up immediately.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Really?

[Mal]

I don't think she's gonna be known for anything else for the rest of her life. That's sad that you have to put in extra.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Remember when the bar for sex tape was just fuck once in a grainy video?

[Rory]

And maybe right, little dialogue, little dialog here and there.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Like when you really think about Ray J. Kim Kardashian. That wouldn't even move the needle today.

[Mal]

No, no. It's kind of like romantic of A couple on vacation. Like, it's not even some nasty. Two people in a relationship on vacation.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

You wouldn't even retweet that porn on Twitter. No, it's not back in the Twitter.

[Mal]

Archives, away from you weirdos.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Yeah, but now you have the baseline as a hundo, and then the other person did a thousand.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mal]

And I love. I love the, like, the hustle in that. You didn't want to go to 200?

[Rory]

No.

[Mal]

That's the wildest auction ever. Someone bets 100 and then you go right to a thousand.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

I don't know. I. I just. I didn't know that endurance pussy was a genre.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's definitely porn. That's definitely a genre. How much can you take?

[Roy Wood Jr.]

I don't.

[Rory]

That does nothing. I never care to see. No, like that. Never like it. I never cared to click on it. Nothing like that.

[Mal]

In the video, can you see all the guys, or is it like their heads are cut off or like.

[Rory]

I'm sure you can see them. I'm sure it's like a setup. Like a set, a bed.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Yeah, you gotta. Your face gotta be shown for this. What do they. What do you pay for that?

[Mal]

I see. I don't even know how I could say that's not my kid. And then I end up having a kid later on. I can't explain to my children that I stood in line with 99 other men. To a woman.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

What's happening between guys? And, like, is there a pit crew to come in and, like, this.

[Rory]

Clean it up? Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Are you in there just right after the next dude, or is it, like a gentleman's agreement? We all pull out? Yeah, probably.

[Rory]

You don't leave a match. You get. You get a pit crew in there. Give her a granola bar, some water, you know, keep her. Keep her, you know. Yeah. Keep a blood sugar level up, you know, I mean, you got. You got to make sure the car is running well.

[Mal]

And as someone that's been a manager to artists, I could only imagine what a stressful day for that management team.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

You have to deal with 100 other talent, and your client is the. The focus of everything. You have to make sure your client is safe, comfortable, safe.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Damn.

[Mal]

I just. I mean, I'm sure that the guys have a group chat. I'm sure there's, like, lifelong friendships that came from that line.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

You got to take an AIDS test that day, like, right there as you walk in. We need aids.

[Mal]

And they said that they did.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Ain't trusting no paperwork. You came in here that's what I'm saying.

[Mal]

You had to submit paperwork, but the guys that stay in this line, I feel like, would Photoshop paperwork to say they didn't have std.

[Rory]

Oh, absolutely.

[Mal]

Like that. That guy would do that.

[Rory]

No, they had the medical team on set.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

You gotta be like, Covid, nasal, all that shit.

[Rory]

Swab all of that. But whoever the father is, you know, good luck.

[Mal]

Congrats, man.

[Rory]

Congrats. And we'll see you somewhere down the line.

[Mal]

Before we get out of here, would you mind telling your J. Prince story one more time?

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Y'all have heard that.

[Mal]

Have I? That is one of my favorite YouTube clips.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

That, bro. People. People really think that that was a joke.

[Mal]

No, I didn't think it was a joke at all. That's why I thought it was funny.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

You know, he went on Sway and confirmed that.

[Mal]

I didn't see that.

[Rory]

Yeah, no, I didn't see that.

[Mal]

Can you give us some backstory if our listeners have. Haven't heard your J. PR Friend's story?

[Roy Wood Jr.]

So. So I used to do prank phone call. I did morning radio.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

So I did stand up. I was doing morning radio.

[Mal]

But your prank phone calls were some.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Of the best that was viral. When you go viral over email.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

In the. Back, in the day. Seen your email openness.

[Rory]

Trust me.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

And you'd open this.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

So. So my pranks. My pranks are jumping off. They're going viral all over the south, and I get a call from a record label in Houston and they go, yo, we want to. With you. We want to do a prank call album with you, but we only want to prank call black celebrities.

[Rory]

Okay?

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Dope. And this is. This is at the beginning of Ashton Kutcher Punked. Okay. And all of that. So, like, the idea of celebrity pranking is a new kind of. Yeah. So I'm like, fuck it. Yeah, I would. I'll fuck with that. Because it's. Keep in mind, my pranks at this point, they're getting put on mixtapes and shit, too. And this is also back at a time where comedy and hip hop had more of a. Yeah. Synergy. You know what I'm saying? Like, fucking Cameron and them. My shit was on Dipset mixtapes. It was on three, six. Chameleonaire. Fucking Chameleon at a reason. Half of my shit got west of Dallas in terms of my comedy and reach.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Pimp C and Bomb. So, like, I was on, like, mixtapes. And so this label is like, you're perfect. And we'll do the celebrity Calls and we'll put rap songs in between it. Yeah, come on down to Houston. Yeah, so I fly down to Houston. I leave Birmingham, I fly to Houston, I get to Houston, 10, 11 o'clock in the morning, and I go to the studio and we'd already done the paperwork, signed a contract or whatever, and, and they have a list of people that to prank call. And they just go, we're going to prank call some folks. Now, all we know for the most part is Texas celebrities. So we're going to start with some of these folks and hopefully we get them, they'll open up their Rolodex to us and we'll be able to call more folks. And so it's a couple names on the list. It's Vince Young, it's Michael Irvin, J. Prince. And they go, which one of these people do you want to call first? And I go, well, all three don't.

[Mal]

Sound like it'll go well.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Michael Irvin should be easy.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Vince Young.

[Rory]

Yes. Either way.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Yeah, either way. But J. Prince is for sure going to be the hardest because he's the coldest and you know, you know the legend of him and all of that. And so my thing was always with Prince, pranks start with the hardest call of the day first. So the rest of your day is easy.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

So I go it, let's call J. Prince.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Like, okay, well, what's the premise? I go, all right, I'm gonna call Jay and I'm gonna tell him. I'm gonna call J. Prince posing as a Houston record store owner.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Yeah, man, I, I my record store, we got all these rap a Lot albums in here. Ain't none of them selling. Yeah, Rap a lot ain't shit.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Rap a Lot ain't been shit for a while. Last good album was Fucking Till Death Do Us Part, which is like, yeah, that's a disgusting insult if you know Southern hip hop.

[Rory]

Right. That's a fact.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Oh, that's a terrible. So I just got all this shit. So we call J.

[Rory]

Prince.

[Mal]

How'd you feel about your safety while writing this premise?

[Roy Wood Jr.]

So perfectly fine. Keep in mind, I've done two to 300 prank calls at this point.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

And at this point in radio, I've been threatened, but nobody's ever come to put hands on me.

[Rory]

Right.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Because at the end of the day, it was always love. And the lesson I learned, everybody I pranked up until that point was I was put up to by someone they love.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

So they didn't fuck me up. Off the strength of that.

[Rory]

Right, right, right.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

I forgot I wasn't baptized. I wasn't baptized in that projection.

[Rory]

Probably the one you should have made sure you was baptized by.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

But I'm in there with the record label. I want to impress them.

[Baby D]

I don't give a fuck.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Call anybody.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

That's why I always say pranks and sketches. That's a young man's game. Like, I was in the right mindset to be that crazy.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

So we called J. Prince, and he in the car. Hey, what's going on? Is Jay. Yeah, yeah, N. These albums ain't selling, nigga. Come get these Rap a lot albums, nigga. That's why I fuck with Swisher House, nigga. I don't fuck with rapper, which is also a crazy fucking thing to say.

[Mal]

Especially at that time.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

At that time was the height. This is like 0506 ish. Rise of Swisher.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, you don't.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Yeah, you don't say that like that.

[Mal]

Nope.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

But I'm on the phone and I'm just laying and I'm hitting him. I'm hitting him with fucking insults and he's not reacting and, like, in a prank.

[Rory]

Yeah, he shit funny.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Nigga's supposed to give you some shit back, you nigga. Fuck you. I'm J. Prince. Oh, fuck you, nigga.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

I lay into J. Prince for like, 30, 45 seconds straight. And all he replaced Fly with us. Where you at? And then. And the engineer, he start eqing it. He start mixing the. Do this. Where you at? And I go. I'm like, I'm at my store right now and I need my. He'll. If you say you at the stove and you say you want your money back for these albums, I gotta know where you at to bring you your money.

[Mal]

Naturally.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

So where you at? Don't worry about where I'm at right now. What you need to know is that rapalot ain't shit.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Yeah. I ain't selling no more Rap a lot albums. All I'm selling from now on. And I just start. Start naming every Southern record label. I'm. I ain't selling nothing but hypnotized. I'm selling goddamn goddamn D family. I ain't selling nothing else. I'm selling slip and slide.

[Rory]

Slip.

[Mal]

Slide is crazy.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Where you at? And the engineer is like, yeah, yeah. And so it's not funny no more. And I go. I go, Mr. Prince. I break character. I go, Mr. Prince, my name is Roy Wood Jr. Now, mind you, I have no Cachet as a comedian at this point.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

I have, like, two credits on Comic View.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

J. Prince don't know who the fuck.

[Mal]

And I feel like J. Prince doesn't laugh, so, like, the comedy genre isn't real.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Bookmark that. Right? Bookmark that. So the. The dude with the label and run the studio, whatever. He come on the mic. Hey. Hey, Jay. Hey, Jay. Hey, Jay, It's Johnny. It's Johnny. We were just down here doing some pranks. It's us. Yeah, yeah, we're just. We're just kidding, man.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

This is Roy. This is our new comedian, and we're doing a prank call album, and we just thought it'd be fun to prank you. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry if we caused you any trouble today.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Oh, you down there with Donnie now.

[Rory]

He know where you at.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

I know exactly. Hey, man, turn the car around. Click. And he hung up in our face. We called J. Prince back two, three times, trying to smooth the shit. We trying to smooth the shit out. Like, hey, PJ is cool. It was a prank, right? Everything was cool, right?

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

He wouldn't answer the phone. Engineer left the room.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

I'm out now, mind you. I came in straight from the airport. Cause let's get to work.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

I go, hey, man, let me go get checked into the hotel. Let me just make sure the hotel's straight. Let me make sure the hotel is straight, and then we can restrategize and we'll come back this evening, we'll knock out, we'll do some more.

[Mal]

You didn't make a copy of that contract, right? I'll just take that one with me.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

That's cool, right? They go, cool.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

I get in the cab, I went back to the airport. I bought a ticket at the counter. Continental Airlines. This is before the United merger. Yeah, Continental Airlines.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Houston to Birmingham.

[Rory]

Let me get out of here.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

I was in Houston a total of two hours dipped.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

To this day, contractually, I, O, B, C, D. A celebrity prank phone call album dipped.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

About it never returned. Fast forward. That's like 0506.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Fast forward to the year that Jay's autobiography, his memoir came out.

[Mal]

Yeah. Recipes. Jazz. Fly.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Jazz. And so jazz. Jazz is the one that can. Cause I tweeted about it, right? And jazz fucking set it up. And we get him on the Date Daily show as a guest.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

So he's coming to the Daily show, and this is the first time I'm gonna see this.

[Rory]

Oh, man.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Since I tried to prank him.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

So I'M like. I'm like, dming jazz on Twitter. Is there anything I can get? What liquor? Does he, like, get him a cognac or something.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

And the day before he came on Daily Show, J. Prince went on Sway. And Sway asked him about that whole story. And he asked Jay, were you really on the way to the studio to fuck him up? To which J. Prince said, I was just gonna laugh with him.

[Rory]

Oh, okay.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

You wanted to laugh?

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

I wanted to pull up and laugh, which meant you was gonna fuck me up.

[Rory]

Yeah, he was gonna fuck you up.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

And when I think about all of that now.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

I realize how sideways as I was because you on his turf, disrespecting him in his city. Like, you can be funny, but you can't be disrespectful.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

And what I did was disrespect. He's got to check that.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

That nigga ain't gonna sign the waiver for that prank call to be released.

[Rory]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

I gotta check disrespect. Because if people see you joking with me, everybody think they can joke. Like, I unders. I didn't understand the code of it at the time. Yeah, I grew up in the hood, but I ain't no street nigga. I went to. I cut through the projects to go to the library, to take computer classes.

[Rory]

Right.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

So with certain parts of code that I'm just, hey, young nigga, let me. Let me correct you real quick and just, hey, let me come and slap the shit out you real quick. So. And then I told. And so then Jaz and I talked about that shit after the fact. And she said she once saw J. Prince at a comedy club, and he never laughed. He said, they saw Jay at a comedy club.

[Mal]

He was only there to loan her money. He just. He didn't even know what the business was.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Ask me who the headliner was.

[Mal]

Who?

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Bernie Mac.

[Mal]

Oh, my God.

[Rory]

He not laughing at Bernie.

[Mal]

That was the only time Bernie said, I am scared of you motherfuckers.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

She said. She said. J. Prince said, I ain't never heard a joke. What the fuck does that even mean? How hard is your life? You ain't never nothing fun. Ain't nothing made you chuckle.

[Rory]

Ain't nothing funny.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Ain't nothing funny.

[Rory]

Yeah, and here you are calling my phone with this dumb shit.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

I called him. I cussed him out, and he came to that studio to put hands on me. But I was too quick for you, nigga. You had to catch me 15 years later.

[Mal]

I mean if. If they come back on the contract and you have to recoup, I get you J. Prince jr's number. If you want to prank him, bro. I'm sure he'd take it the same.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Way on any of the Prince family. I am nothing but an ally. I've enjoyed going back to Houston. You know, Houston was a no fly zone for me for a minute. Oh, I bet when I left, I didn't go back to Houston to perform for like fucking seven, eight years.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Just because I don't. Because you on the flyer.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

You don't know if. I don't know if is my name out right. I don't know.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

And I don't. And Houston is one of them. Like comedically speaking, Houston is a city strictly for superstars and locals.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

So I never came there enough to perform. So I'm not even protected by the local comics. Like even now I only know four or five comics and even they couldn't get keep.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

From wanting to put hands. The best I get now is Ali Sediq would give me a ten minute heads up. Hey man, you may want. Wherever you at, man, be somewhere else.

[Mal]

Be some.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Delete this number. Click.

[Mal]

Did you see him in the hallway at the Daily Show?

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Yeah, we chopped it up. We got a picture, man. Okay, we got a picture. It's love. It's love. Now crack any.

[Mal]

It's all good type of emotion.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

No, no. Did the gunpoint.

[Rory]

Let.

[Mal]

Can't get you here.

[Rory]

I can't get you here, but I'm gonna get you.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

J. Prince did the gunpoint in the picture, man. Yeah, it was all love, man. He gave us a good shout out on Drink Champs too. When he was on Drink Champs.

[Rory]

Shout out to Jay Prince, the legend, man.

[Mal]

Before we get out of here, just quickly, I know it's a very open ended question, but is there any favorite Daily show stories behind the scenes?

[Roy Wood Jr.]

I really enjoy being able to cover black shit on that show. If it's something I miss is that I don't get to do that. At cnn we talk about news, but like you do like your regular correspondent pieces.

[Mal]

But like you and Van Jones can't do something like cry together.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

I ain't gonna cry with Van Jones. Van Jones got money every time I see Van Jones cry.

[Mal]

Cool.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Pull up your Venmo. Pull up your that Venmo boy smile.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's why he crying. He can't believe he got that one.

[Mal]

Bezos gave it to me for free. Did I Do nothing with this.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Where the money at, man? What you doing with it? Let me get some of that. I see him in the hallway sometimes at cnn. I be like, man, let me get one of them suits. Wear them. But once. No, we would do like, bro, I think some of the. We did, man. And we did a story one time, like, this is shit that, like, this is where I give Trevor Noah credit. It's like, Trevor, he's black. He's not black American. So he's smart enough to go, all right, let me send the Alabama. You go over there and do the thing. Because it gave us a different connection with some of the people we were interviewing. Bro, we went to Chicago. We was on the south side in South Shore doing a walk and talk down blocks with gang interventors who literally all they do is go block to block and talk to crews and try to squash beef and don't even involve the police. And they let us come in. They let me come in with cameras, and I'm talking, like, blocks where every block, they have to go up the block to get the clearance for us to come down the block. So we weren't even, like, just shifting. It was like, you probably should not be here. But for them to trust us with our cameras to come tell the story of black folks actually fighting black on black crime. Cause that's what they try to frame is that niggas don't care about blacks killing blacks. We did the 20th anniversary of the Million Man March spots where you shouldn't even have news satire. And it's weird because when you talking about doing news satire with black people, especially black Americans. Americans, that shit is dicey. Because satire requires me to lie to you and for you to understand that I'm lying to you.

[Rory]

Right?

[Roy Wood Jr.]

And then that's the joke. Yeah, but black folks get lied to their entire existence. So I don't, you know, I don't want to deal with this shit. So for folks to trust me like that, like, those are the stories I love. Like, one of the last stories I did before I dipped was on Cop City. And you got gangs of black folks living in the forest, inhabiting an area where they trying to build a new police compound in Atlanta. Like, folks willing to die for this shit. And so we're in the forest with cameras talking to people like that shit. And it's not just black people there. Let me be fair. But the fact that this is something that if they build this, it will decimate black communities downstream, right?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

And that aside from promoting over policing and all of that shit, just a straight up fact. If you build this, this shit down the hill will flood.

[Rory]

Right.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

And that's a black neighborhood down the hill. So to be able to be trusted, the thing I miss the most is being able to, like, tell black stories about stuff affecting black Americans and using humor to do it. I want to figure out a way to get back into that. I mean, CNN is cool, but that's more. We gotta keep that more because it's a panel show, too.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

I can't bring on some Republican congressman. Motherfucker. Let's talk about the goddamn gangs in Chicago.

[Rory]

Yeah, Right.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

So I think that's what I missed, man.

[Mal]

Yeah. Was it you and Jordan Klepper that did the police training?

[Roy Wood Jr.]

That was the first piece we did that was hilarious.

[Mal]

That was one of my favorite dudes.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

We did a ride along with the Madison Police Department who had just killed an unarmed black man four months prior. And they had all this anti bias training. Come take the training. That shit was goofy.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

See, I was shooting at, like, office chairs and shit.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Yeah. But it was a real, like, man, they had a simulated simulator. They had a paintball simulator where like, it's like, guess which person is gonna pull the gun on you type situation. Basically, like just herky jerky reaction. And then it's a kid. And then the kid comes up and popsicle who the pull up. You deserve to get shot.

[Rory]

You don't put no popsicle from behind your back.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Yeah, but, yeah, we. We just got to. You know, as silly as the Daily show can be, sometimes we got chances, man, to like, really pick and choose some spots to like, really talk about shit that was going on in the world and use humor to do it, man.

[Mal]

That's the importance of the show to me. I mean, of course it's silly, but that. That's what separated it from everything else.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Was the actual pieces were fun, man. Yeah, they really were, man.

[Rory]

All right, Roy, we appreciate you coming by. Second season of have I Got News for you is available now on cnn. And your lonely flower now on Hulu.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

Yeah, man. Thank y'all. We appreciate coming by.

[Rory]

Roy Wood, Jr. The legend, man. Thank you.

[Mal]

And if you want the screaming crazy Republican on your show.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

I'm not.

[Rory]

I'm down, bro. I'm not. I'm not gonna show yourself. Let's do it. We'll talk to y'all soon. I'm. That. He's just ginger. Peace.

[Roy Wood Jr.]

No warrior now.