Episode 390 | Stop Podding With Me

Summary

Podcast Summary: New Rory & MAL
Episode 390 | Stop Podding With Me
Release Date: July 22, 2025

Introduction

In Episode 390 of "New Rory & MAL," hosts Rory, Mal, and Josh dive into a lively discussion covering a range of topics from social dynamics and personal relationships to the intricacies of the music industry. True to the podcast's description, listeners are treated to new stories, laughs, and unsolicited hot takes that spark engaging conversations.

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1. Weather, Fashion, and Social Vibes

The episode kicks off with casual banter about the lingering summer heat and its implications on daily life. Rory and Mal reminisce about past fashion trends, specifically the resurgence of rubber bands on wrists reminiscent of Allen Iverson's iconic style.

• Mal (00:24): "Whoa. This thing moves."
• Josh (03:29): "I started wearing a rubber band on my wrist when I was 11 because Allen Iverson did."

2. Navigating Social Events and Relationships

The hosts transition into discussing recent social events, including pool parties and weddings. Rory shares his experience attending a pool party that was shut down early, sparking a conversation about the dynamics of social gatherings and maintaining personal relationships within them.

• Rory (07:20): "I went to the pool party. It was good, but they got it shut down early."
• Mal (21:05): "I just want to point out, she was the main character energy all weekend."

3. Accountability in the Music Podcast Scene

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around an incident involving Rick Ross on another podcast, 85 South. The hosts analyze Ross's abrupt departure during an interview and the subsequent backlash, emphasizing the importance of accountability and professionalism in the podcasting and music industries.

• Josh (04:31): "Mark Cuban's like, a pretty funny and calm guy. Yeah, he fucking lost it on this guy. Get the fuck out of here."
• Mal (05:42): "Listen, between him and Brett Favre, they may be the most forgiving white people on earth."

4. The State of the Music Industry: Clout-Chasing and Chart Manipulation

Rory, Mal, and Josh delve into a deep analysis of how artists manipulate charts through strategic merchandise bundling and collaborations. They debate the ethics and implications of such practices, citing recent examples like Travis Scott and J. Cole.

• Josh (42:16): "Artists have to pivot and find ways to capitalize off their art by attaching it to a fire piece of merch."
• Mal (53:48): "Artists gotta pivot, man. Artists gotta find a way to still capitalize off their art."

5. Reflections on Tyler, the Creator’s Latest Album

The conversation shifts to a critical review of Tyler, the Creator’s new album "Don’t Tap the Glass." Mal expresses disappointment, while Josh offers a more nuanced take, highlighting the necessity for artists to evolve musically without compromising their core strengths.

• Mal (58:25): "I listened to two twice to maybe two and a half. I turned it off when I got here on the third listen."
• Josh (60:44): "I think Tyler's creative enough to still boast and brag in a different way."

6. Tribute to Malcolm Jamal Warner

Midway through the episode, the hosts pause to pay tribute to the late Malcolm Jamal Warner, expressing their condolences and reflecting on his impact from their childhood.

• Josh (103:24): "Rest in peace to Malcolm Jamal Warner. Condolences to his family."
• Mal (104:16): "He was definitely a huge part of my childhood."

7. Relationship Advice Segment

In the latter part of the episode, a listener voicemail poses a dilemma about handling significant other's friends. The hosts offer differing perspectives on maintaining personal boundaries while integrating into a partner's social circle.

• Caller (117:15): "How would you go about telling your significant other that you just don't rock with their friends like that?"
• Mal (118:40): "You gotta be willing to be open and learn about different people."

8. Final Thoughts and Upcoming Content

As the episode wraps up, the hosts discuss future plans, including upcoming episodes featuring guests like Alchemist and Freddie Gibbs. They also entertain hypothetical scenarios about producing special podcast episodes with notable artists, showcasing their trademark humor and camaraderie.

• Josh (115:11): "I would love to see that happen. I want to see that happen."
• Mal (116:00): "We just need to produce the Clash. Produce the Clash, man."

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Conclusion

Episode 390 of "New Rory & MAL" offers a blend of humor, critical analysis, and heartfelt moments. From dissecting the complexities of the music industry's current landscape to offering genuine relationship advice, the hosts provide an engaging and multifaceted listening experience. This episode reinforces why "New Rory & MAL" remains a favorite for listeners seeking thoughtful and entertaining podcast content.

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Notable Quotes:

• Josh (04:31): "Mark Cuban's like, a pretty funny and calm guy. Yeah, he fucking lost it on this guy. Get the fuck out of here."
• Mal (53:48): "Artists gotta pivot, man. Artists gotta find a way to still capitalize off their art."
• Rory (07:20): "I went to the pool party. It was good, but they got it shut down early."
• Mal (116:00): "We just need to produce the Clash. Produce the Clash, man."

Note: Timestamp references are based on the transcript provided and may not precisely align with the actual episode timeline.

Transcript

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[Mal]

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[Mal]

Volume.

[Rory]

No worry and mouth.

[Josh]

Welcome back. Happy Top of the week.

[Mal]

Top of the top.

[Josh]

Second to last week of July. The summer is over, but with this weather, I'm I'm sure it'll be 80 in November.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Josh]

So it's not. It's not really halfway through.

[Mal]

No. August is usually the steamer. They call it the dog days of summer.

[Josh]

It's August, but with global warming, I feel like September started to take some of that. That away. September has been hot as the last few years for the first few weeks.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Josh]

But I don't know. We're all gonna die eventually. Eventually, but. Yeah, I mean, check on the ozone and we'll go from there, but. How are you? How you feeling?

[Mal]

I'm good, man. Good. Feel good.

[Josh]

So you got the. The moss. That's a moss, right?

[Mal]

Like, you like the palette?

[Josh]

Yeah, yeah. Like, match with the yellows.

[Mal]

I gave him a little money green, you know what I'm saying?

[Josh]

A little gold rubber band on the wrist. I missed that era.

[Mal]

Gotta keep that. You know what I mean? Keep me rooted, keep me grounded. Might have to go back. I might have to go back.

[Josh]

I started wearing a rubber band on my wrist when I was 11 because Allen Iverson did.

[Mal]

Okay, That's a good.

[Josh]

And then as I got older, I realized what. Why he did that and what it represented and the culture behind why people had rubber bands on their wrists. I just thought. I thought Iverson was an innovator.

[Mal]

And then, like, all white Jamaic Land song show came along and, you know, live strong. Rubber band. And that was. Was kind of like, y' all take white people, take everything, man.

[Josh]

Listen, between him and Brett Favre, they may be the most forgive white people on earth. Didn't. Didn't Lance, outside of, like, the steroids, also have some crazy scheme with Livestrong? Like, he exploited some money?

[Mal]

Oh, of course he did. You got. You got to make that money.

[Josh]

Live strong. And it's with Pfizer.

[Mal]

Yeah. Like, what was the other rubber band that they said helps your balance? Oh, what was the name of that one? Who.

[Josh]

I know what you're talking about. It was such. It was completely.

[Mal]

Put your arm out and then pick one leg up, and then you push your arm and you fell. But then when you put the rubber band on, you didn't. Foster me. Get the out here.

[Josh]

Did you ever see. You watched Shark Tank, right?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Did you ever see when a guy came in with, like, a decade later after. After that was found out to be completely false and a scam. Another guy came in with a band like that. And Mark Cuban's like, a pretty. Unless he's on the sidelines. A pretty, like, funny and calm guy. Yeah, he fucking lost it on this guy. Get the fuck out of here. This is a scam. He got mad at the other Sharks for even entertaining them. I've never even seen that in Shark Tank history of, like, 30 seconds in. Please get the fuck out of here.

[Mal]

Yeah, like, no, this is a bullshit. We know this is bullshit, But, I mean, what was the name of that band?

[Josh]

I forgot. I can see it in my head.

[Mal]

Yeah. Like, everybody. They sold those at Foot Locker. Like, everybody was wearing those rubber bands at one point. Is it Core. Core Band or something like that?

[Josh]

That might be it, but that was. That was, like, up there with a cutcoat. Nice scam. Yeah, Rising, whatever. Yeah, that was. That was a good one.

[Mal]

Power Balance. Is that. Was that the name of it?

[Josh]

Maybe it didn't give you power or balance whatsoever.

[Mal]

Power Balance.

[Josh]

I just think Livestrong is the. The funniest, like, phrase for someone on steroids. I mean, well, maybe he was trying to tell us, live strong.

[Mal]

You got to be strong to live. You know what I'm saying?

[Josh]

But didn't he get in trouble, too, for some money? Shit, I don't know. Either way, we let Brett Favre off the hook. Yeah, there should be Hulu, Netflix. Everything about this guy, he's just walking around free, smiling in Levi's.

[Mal]

I mean, listen, man, when you white, it's all right. You know how it goes. You white, it's all right. Baby D. Fight the power, Baby D. What's up with you? You good?

[Rory]

I'm great.

[Mal]

How you feeling?

[Rory]

I feel great.

[Mal]

Yo, thank you for keeping me in the yum. Mean over the weekend. I appreciate that.

[Josh]

Wait, did you take me out?

[Rory]

Huh?

[Josh]

Yo, wait, hold on. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. She was getting active.

[Mal]

She was getting active. Baby D was. I didn't see any of it. Yeah, she was in the streets, I think.

[Rory]

You know, you probably just didn't catch it. It's gone now, you know, 24 hours and all.

[Mal]

That's it. You ain't see it. That's it. It's over.

[Josh]

I know, but I just want to see if there was even a green somewhere.

[Mal]

Nah, it's over. Baby D was out.

[Josh]

What was she doing?

[Mal]

Ah, she was chilling, you know, Was.

[Josh]

She more of the cameraman or like the main character?

[Mal]

No, she was the main character.

[Josh]

I like it.

[Rory]

I was just looking good, feeling better.

[Mal]

She was main character energy all weekend.

[Josh]

When you're a main character, do you pass your phone to someone else to record or do you ask them to record it?

[Rory]

Sometimes just gets set up where it's set up. Sometimes you get a weird angle.

[Mal]

You never know, you know, I mean, baby D's now she's @ that point where the friends know when to catch her in her element, when they catch her. Like, girl, pull your phone out, get a cute video. Video of me. You know, the off. You know, the off guard videos is always platinum, you know.

[Josh]

Yeah, A little candid twerk.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Josh]

She didn't even know the camera was on her.

[Mal]

I ain't seen no twerking, though.

[Rory]

I don't twerk.

[Mal]

Shane, give us no twerk. Wasn't no twerking.

[Rory]

No.

[Josh]

Oh, then I didn't need to be.

[Mal]

Yeah, it wasn't.

[Rory]

I was just half naked. I went to the pool party.

[Mal]

How was it?

[Rory]

It was. It was good. I got there late and they got it shut down early, but it was good still.

[Mal]

You got there late and you got it shut down.

[Rory]

I didn't get it shut down. It got. It got shut down like an hour early. But I got there like four hours late, so. Damn, they're that long.

[Mal]

How you get to a pool party four hours late? Ain' was sun outside. It was okay.

[Rory]

It was time.

[Josh]

But then you were right at the peak then, right? If it got the last hour before it gets shut down, that's the peak of the party.

[Rory]

Yeah. Yeah, it was cool. I had. I had a good time. But, yeah, you know, now I'm back chilling. We chilling for the rest of the summer.

[Josh]

What'd you do after?

[Mal]

She. I just want to point out, she said that last weekend that she was back chilling for the rest.

[Rory]

Yo, I said this was the last hoorah, remember?

[Mal]

Oh, this was it. That was it.

[Rory]

Oh, other than I got Skin to Skin next.

[Josh]

Next month. I don't know what that is.

[Mal]

I don't know what that is, but I can't. What's. Where's the tickets?

[Josh]

I'll lotion up now.

[Mal]

Yeah, can I get tickets to Skin to Skin? Like, give me the good cabana too. I want the cabana that's like right there between all the skin.

[Rory]

The skin. The skin. The skin is gonna be sexy, but that's. Yeah, that's it.

[Mal]

Skin. The Skin is a pool party?

[Rory]

No, it's just like. It's like a party. Like an outdoor, like, party similar to burgers and bottles, but a little bit more Caribbean based.

[Mal]

Doubles and wine.

[Josh]

We in there, we in there.

[Mal]

We in Skin. This the experience. August 12th, Brooklyn. Look what they have.

[Rory]

But that's.

[Mal]

Well, first of all, Brooklyn Children's Museum. First of all.

[Rory]

Yo, listen, man, that's last year. That's not even Nash last year.

[Josh]

I don't know. Okay, Skin to skin is what you do with your baby when they're born, so that's very misleading.

[Rory]

It's not. It's not. It's not.

[Mal]

That's not where it's at this year.

[Rory]

I don't think so.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Josh]

So I will say, any flyer that has those colors and butterflies on it has some hoes at it, for sure.

[Rory]

Gonna be there. The hole's gonna be there.

[Josh]

Oh, it's in Coney Island.

[Mal]

Coney island.

[Josh]

That I hate when they try to steal PJ's sauce. Because I want to say it, because I'm sure it's a great party. That last flyer with the butterflies was awful. But you could tell hoes would go, this is a great flyer. I feel like they stole pizza sauce. That's a Peach special right there.

[Rory]

He ain't the only out here making flyers.

[Josh]

First of all, he's the best, though. We're not about to about to do that with the amount of kids Peach has out here. Is next level when it comes to this Photoshop. I see all of Peach's children every time I open my Instagram.

[Mal]

That's a fact. Every time we post a flyer, a cover for the. For the episode, every. People hit me like, yo, who is doing these flyers? I'm like, yo, you got to go holl at the legend. You know what I'm saying? Go holla at Peach.

[Rory]

Peach. That edit you made of me and Ma is sick, sick, sick, sick.

[Mal]

Yo, I was crying. Cause I didn't even know y' all was doing that, first of all. So I saw I was tagged in it. I was like, what the fuck is this? I looked at that. I was like, all right. Me and peace be in here after episodes talking. He'd be sitting there laughing. You got to let me know when these bombs is about to drop. Like, what's going on with you, man?

[Josh]

First of all, this is the second one I have not known about until the rest of the world did.

[Mal]

Yeah, I did not know about what.

[Josh]

You guys, like, put together. I found out later I got a collab. Shit. And I was like, why would I accept Damaris and mall flirting? I'm not in this.

[Mal]

Juneteenth. Yeah, Juneteenth. June. He was just spreading black love. That's all I'm saying.

[Josh]

Another reason I shouldn't have been tagged in the collaboration.

[Mal]

Yeah, but no, that's a fact. But not Peace. That was Fire, though. That edit was crazy.

[Rory]

That was a very funny. I'm all Licking his lips. Had me crying.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, I ain't even know Ma did all that.

[Josh]

Because even before the Juneteenth post, I guess kind of since the WTF serious days, people have had, like, that funny rumor, you know, on Reddit Twitter communities that. That you guys have some, like, sexual tension or date on the low.

[Mal]

That is crazy.

[Josh]

And I used to laugh at it because I'm here. But now, after watching two of these, even though I'm here to know the truth, it's pretty convincing. I. I'm kind of on their side now.

[Rory]

It's Peach. It's amazing what editing can do. It's amazing what editing can do.

[Mal]

Yeah. Cause none of that shit was like. It was things that happened before.

[Josh]

After.

[Mal]

Peach is putting posting together.

[Rory]

He's getting shit from 17 minutes into the episode. He getting reactions and putting it with that and making it look so good.

[Mal]

I like it, though. The music was. Everything was. Everything was. Everything was tastefully done. I like that.

[Josh]

I don't know, Josh. Every time Maul says, oh, I'm going to movies by myself, or Demaris is like, yo, you skipped out on our date. I think that maybe to throw us off, I think you guys may have actually linked.

[Mal]

Me and Damaris have never linked.

[Rory]

We've never linked outside this pod.

[Mal]

That's why we don't like each other. Now, see, I ain't gonna go that far See, I ain't gonna go that far and say I don't like Damaris. Like, I'm saying, that's my penis. But we don't like each other. It's crazy. Like, we don't like each other.

[Josh]

That's wild.

[Mal]

But, no, me and Damaris have not linked. We have not hung out outside of this podcast.

[Rory]

No, he's never hit. We're not romantically involved.

[Mal]

Never hit. Who thinks I actually. Damaris.

[Rory]

A lot of people do.

[Mal]

That is.

[Rory]

People said, that's how I got my job. They've been saying, don't do that, Ma. They've been saying that since my first episode on this. They have been saying that for the longest.

[Mal]

For real.

[Rory]

I swear to God.

[Mal]

Yeah, that is wild.

[Rory]

I'm like, I don't know how y' all see that. Like, saying, I Peach. That makes sense. But wait, hold on.

[Mal]

Talking about, how does that make sense?

[Josh]

He's a master of his craft.

[Mal]

That would. That would make no sense, actually. That you, Peach. Like, that would be the craziest.

[Rory]

It would make more sense to Me.

[Mal]

You, Damaris, fucking Peach.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Mal]

If I come in here and find out that Damaris and Peach fucked, I'm questioning everything I was ever taught in my life. I already do. First of all.

[Josh]

Okay, but you've been on the road and seen the women that like Peach. I think that would check out.

[Mal]

Yes. Random women at Peach meets. Yes. A co worker. I would not.

[Josh]

Oh, yeah, no. You're adding in logic to this. No, I'm talking about, like, Peach just.

[Rory]

Became a coworker Peach today. Before we was coworkers, Peach been a.

[Mal]

Coworker from day one.

[Rory]

Yeah, but me and Peach had lives before this also.

[Josh]

I could see a world in civilian waters where maybe you guys hit it off for a week. But I also don't think Damaris would ever travel to New London, Connecticut, where you live, to go see you. So she. I think by the sheer, like, distance would never happen.

[Mal]

I'm not even putting Damaris out there like that. She would travel to where I live. You know where she traveling now? Are you kidding me?

[Josh]

That's on a plane, though.

[Mal]

Are you kidding me?

[Josh]

If you flew her to, like, Boston and then picked her up, maybe. Because that's how far you live.

[Rory]

Nah, let's just all take a beat. Let's have a. Let's take a.

[Mal]

Maybe they just don't take me out to close friends. All right, once again, I ain't say nothing. I peep game over the weekend. You know what I'm saying? I ain't respond. I didn't, you know, me. And I just was like, all right. They go, baby D. That's all.

[Josh]

Well, how was your weekend then?

[Mal]

Weekend was chill, man. Just.

[Josh]

Just looked at her close friends.

[Mal]

Well, I mean, I did a little more than that, but, you know, just chills.

[Josh]

What's a little bit more.

[Mal]

I mean, what did I do this weekend? I was gonna go to the movies, but then last minute, I was like, I want canceled. No, I wanted to see Superman. But then I was like, no, I didn't go see. So I went to. I went to. My homeboy had a baby shower, so I went to that. And. And that was it. That was like, the only thing I did outside of the house this weekend other than, like, weekend.

[Josh]

What. What did you wear and what did you give as a gift?

[Mal]

I just had a tracksuit on with the pants. Pants and a T shirt. Okay.

[Josh]

Oh, it was more of a casual baby shower.

[Mal]

Yeah, it was chill. Shit.

[Josh]

Got you.

[Mal]

It wasn't that. It wasn't Burberry print everywhere. It wasn't it wasn't doing that would.

[Josh]

Are you more of a money gifter or, like, you want to be unique to what you think, like, the baby's interests are going to be?

[Mal]

Well, I mean, if the parents have a registry, I just.

[Josh]

That's usually easy.

[Mal]

Yeah. That's the easiest thing in the world. Like, you got a registry. Cool. Like, do that. Maybe a gift card or something like that. But yeah, it was it. I ain't really do nothing too crazy this weekend.

[Josh]

Okay. I mean, any, you know, baby shower is a great place to meet women. Like, yeah, everyone, like, automatically ovulates when they walk in. Baby, who's next? And she. It's a good place to.

[Mal]

You can smell ovulating.

[Josh]

Yeah. Like, you know, get to know women of, like, are you next? Like, no, no, I'm single. Like, oh. And then that's always a way.

[Mal]

That's it.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Mal]

That means they want to have. They want to fornicate right then and there. Yeah. Get raw. Even though we just met. Yeah.

[Josh]

Imagine meeting somebody at a baby shower and just having that aura and energy and sleeping with a stranger and then getting pregnant and aborting it.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Josh]

So it'd be a wild sequence of events of like, we are back sponsored by Boost Mobile. Like, this baby's existence happened because one.

[Mal]

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[Josh]

I was in a good mood.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Anyways, merch is also on sale, too.

[Mal]

Rory, I don't know if you know that.

[Josh]

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[Mal]

That's right.

[Josh]

Over the weekend, I also went to a event that makes. Well, that makes women ovulate, per se, but desperate. Not desperate, just sad in a beautiful way. It was one of the most beautiful weddings I've ever been to. Best vow exchange I've ever seen in my entire life. Like, that was kissing styles up there. That was like years and years of chemistry I have never seen. When I. The groom did his speech, I said, oh, wow. She. She has a lot to follow here. I don't even know if she'll be able to follow this. Then she proceeded to loaded Lux, all first verse, his vows. If you didn't cry, you were a complete fucking sociopath. And my row. We were sitting there just. It's weird how such a beautiful thing could then make you make it about you. Because we all sat afterwards like, that was the most beautiful thing ever. How do we get. That was. It was a very sad, beautiful and joyous moment. That's like, damn, man. Y', all. This is real.

[Mal]

Yeah, beautiful. Love is beautiful.

[Josh]

Y' all are not just doing this to do it. Y' all like each other a lot.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Josh]

But, yeah, it was fun time.

[Mal]

That was dope, man.

[Josh]

It was. It was a good, good social. I haven't been like, out out in a while. I danced because there was the pre. Friday and Saturday. Cut loose. Let go of my phone. I was. I had fun.

[Mal]

Cut loose, huh? Oh, yeah, you have the cut loose age. This.

[Josh]

This is how much I cut loose. Right?

[Mal]

Don't say cut loose to me, man.

[Josh]

I took my loafers off to go on the dance floor. Oh, yeah, we was. All women took their heels off. We was.

[Mal]

We was.

[Josh]

We was cutting time.

[Mal]

Oh, okay. It was a party party.

[Josh]

Oh, we was partying for sure.

[Mal]

That's dope, man. That's a good time.

[Josh]

Oh, yeah. But no, it was. It was a lot of fun. And I guess I need to go to more weddings. None of my friends, like, get married like that. I just. I noticed that, like, I've been to a few weddings.

[Mal]

Sandy Hook.

[Josh]

I was.

[Mal]

Yes, last year. Two years ago.

[Josh]

Yeah, something like that. Which. Which was cool. I enjoyed that one a lot. But that's a lot of gaps because a lot of people I talk to go to weddings like, fucking, you know, bi weekly when they turn 35 or. I've been to so many.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Josh]

The amount of people I knew at that wedding that we were all lonely and desperate. I was like, this is. We all like, had an understanding of each other, like, because we've all seen each other's like, ups and downs, long term relationship, short term relations. Some people there, Eskimos, some people exes, like.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Josh]

It was a community of people that like, really knew each other at this wedding.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Josh]

And we at that reception, like, before everyone started having fun, it was just post like, wow, that was the most beautiful I've ever seen to. Yo. What. What have all of us done in the last 15 years?

[Mal]

We gotta get out.

[Josh]

Look at this beautiful example. How come we can't do this?

[Mal]

Yeah, we gotta get our. Together.

[Rory]

I mean.

[Josh]

Oh. And then everyone. Because a lot of people, like, working as a similar business at the reception, we've all made excuses for ourselves. Like, because we work in entertainment, it's tougher. And like, certain people that aren't in it can't deal with you. No. We just saw two people do it. Every excuse we made for ourselves, we were like, well, this is an example of.

[Mal]

Yeah, the example is right in front of us.

[Josh]

Oh, wow. Maybe, like, healthy shit does exist.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Yeah. I plan to thoroughly talk to my therapist tomorrow about that wedding. How fucked up is that? I left the wedding and was like, I need to, like, talk to my.

[Mal]

Therapist about you getting married or.

[Josh]

No, just enjoying such a beautiful ceremony and having nothing but pessimistic thoughts about it.

[Mal]

Okay, got you. Yeah, you need to talk to it.

[Josh]

Like, you know the way people be. Like, oh, I only post for motivational purposes. Like, you know, I'm showing you all this money to show you you could get it right. And then when someone says something negative, like, yo, you a hater. Like, you're being a hater because this person is doing nothing but showing you that you can be successful. I wasn't hating at all. I was just like, damn, I don't think I'll be able to do that.

[Mal]

Yeah, talk to your therapist, man. Go sit on the couch.

[Josh]

During both of their vows, I said, I identify with nothing.

[Mal]

You're saying, I've never loved nobody the way these two love each other. That's never.

[Rory]

Damn.

[Mal]

That's real, though. Sometimes you gotta go to a wedding to realize that about yourself. Like, damn. Like, y' all sitting here. This is how y' all really feel about each other. I don't think I've ever felt it that way about somebody. That's a real feeling I got y'.

[Josh]

All.

[Rory]

Rory, you want to be in my wedding?

[Mal]

You get married every day eventually. That's right. Talk that. Put it out there.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Wait.

[Mal]

Put it out there.

[Josh]

But I thought I already. I thought that went without saying.

[Rory]

What, That I was getting. Oh, that you were in my wedding?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Rory]

No, you could.

[Josh]

You know how, like, the groom usually has to, like, throw his bride's brother, like, in it? Like, he's clearly not part of the best man crew. But it's like, I asked the brother. I always thought I was going to be the guy at the end of the line. Like, for sure. Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah, you're definitely.

[Josh]

I thought I was the brother version of that. Like, listen, Roy's not social. He doesn't have to go to any of y' all shit, but just. Just put him at the end and tell him what color to wear. I always thought that was gonna be me.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I'm gonna make it.

[Mal]

Very minimal instructions.

[Rory]

My vow is gonna go crazy. I got you. Don't worry. It's coming soon. I got you.

[Mal]

Coming soon is hilarious.

[Josh]

He was just covered in chlorine. He was just at a pool party.

[Rory]

What coming soon is people can't go to pool parties and they get married. What that mean?

[Mal]

Nah, nah, those are the ones that ain't getting mad.

[Josh]

You would have sat in the road with us on Saturday.

[Mal]

Yeah, see, she ain't been to no pool parties.

[Rory]

Wait, hold on.

[Mal]

Ask her when the last time she'd been. No pool party.

[Rory]

I wanna. I wanna get this right. You can't go to a pool party if you're in a serious committed relationship. That's what you're telling me.

[Mal]

Nah, for what? What you going to the pool party for?

[Rory]

The same reason you would go to a regular party.

[Mal]

We ain't partying no more after we get together. You crazy.

[Rory]

And that's why people. Relationships don't last.

[Mal]

No, we party together, but we not going to no pool party. What is that? First of all, we not getting in the water.

[Rory]

Well, no, you don't go to the pool party to get in the water.

[Mal]

Why are we at a pool party?

[Rory]

Because the bad bitches at the pool party have naked.

[Mal]

That's what I'm saying. I don't need my bad bitch to be half naked around these other bad.

[Rory]

But see, if you see that's. You be with the wrong bad bitches.

[Mal]

No, I'm with the right.

[Rory]

You should be scouting bad. That's walking around half naked.

[Mal]

Yeah, we ain't doing that. We ain't doing that. This is a union. This is a union. Everybody can't be a part of the union.

[Josh]

But they can visit the union.

[Rory]

Exactly.

[Josh]

Like everyone can go to Virginia.

[Mal]

Virginia Union? Yeah, absolutely. People, everybody can go to Virginia.

[Josh]

But you just show up to the union for the day.

[Mal]

Yeah, but I mean if you, if you, if you serve a bloody pass. If you seriously on a thinking about getting married, naturally, just certain things you just won't be a part of anymore.

[Josh]

I mean, depending what the pool. I don't think it's the end of the world.

[Mal]

But I'm just saying your bride goes.

[Josh]

To a pool party with her friend.

[Mal]

No, no, no, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying like this.

[Josh]

If they pouring champagne on her ass, then that's not your bride. But you know, you could watch from a distance.

[Mal]

I don't know, man. I just don't think that's part of our brand.

[Josh]

Okay, could you. Then that's not part of our brand.

[Mal]

Yeah, when you get married, that's just. When you get engaged, that's not part of Your brand.

[Josh]

So when you're on, like, the second or third date, are you coming with a deck that, like, gives the. The color aesthetic, a logo?

[Mal]

Me?

[Josh]

Yeah. Like your brand. No, just if y' all ever are brand.

[Mal]

Yeah, but that's once. Once I feel like this is my. My wife. If I'm dating a girl and I feel like, damn, I could see myself really being with her, like, really getting married, there's certain things that I just wouldn't want her to. To be doing after that.

[Josh]

Oh, well, I'm going with her to the pool party.

[Mal]

Okay. Have fun.

[Josh]

We're gonna. We're gonna show the union there.

[Rory]

See? So whoever married mall like, mall boring as fuck. So you telling me if she ain't going somewhere with you, she can't go? If she going.

[Mal]

I never said that.

[Rory]

If there's a fun. Okay.

[Josh]

Somewhere.

[Mal]

I don't want her to go somewhere without me. I don't always want to be nowhere.

[Rory]

But not pool party. What about regular parties? Can she go to the hookah lounge?

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah. Have fun.

[Josh]

They be throwing ass there too, though.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

It was way more ass thrown at the hookah lounge than it was at that pool party.

[Josh]

Probably.

[Rory]

Pool parties is for to stand around with cute outfits with cute, colorful outfits on and, like, be bougie. I don't see people dance at pool parties.

[Josh]

People go in the pool at pool parties and they dance and they have fun.

[Mal]

Yeah. My wife ain't going to no pool.

[Rory]

I'm not gonna go. Going in the pool at the pool party is great.

[Mal]

That is.

[Josh]

Do you think you can meet a wife at a pool party?

[Mal]

I think so. I think you can. She just better not be in the pool.

[Josh]

I'd actually prefer that woman. She's here to actually have fun and enjoy the aquatic experience that. This was supposed to be aquatic. The girl that's there just to wear a thong and twerk. You just. All right. You might as well just go to strip club at that point. Like, I thought we were here to have a pool party.

[Mal]

Strippers need love too.

[Josh]

I've loved them before.

[Mal]

Still love them.

[Josh]

That's why I was in that row that I was in at the wedding.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah. Stripper row. Yeah, I know.

[Josh]

Stripper strippers row.

[Mal]

Stripper strippers Row. Row was a retired stripper at the wedding.

[Rory]

Yo.

[Josh]

This was not at the actual wedding, but over the weekend, I was with a group and a gentleman who. You guys know which I'll tell you off. Mike said to me and pointed at a girl and said, is that girl transgender? I said, yeah. He said, oh, I was about to get burnt again. And I said, again?

[Mal]

Get burnt again is crazy.

[Josh]

I said, again.

[Mal]

See?

[Josh]

Tell me more. He said, well, I was in Atlanta. And I said, you could stop there. Tell me later.

[Mal]

That'll do it. There you go.

[Josh]

It did remind me I do need to follow up with him, because it was loud where he was at, and I wanted to sit down and hear this entire story, because at what point did you realize you have a type? Oh, that. Well, I was going to get to that later. Like, hey, maybe. You think maybe this is your journey? Like, God don't make mistakes. Maybe he put us, you know, here all together for that reason. And it's happened before. I just want to know, like, did you get a handful of something? Like, when did you find out when you got burnt the first time?

[Mal]

A handful of what?

[Rory]

Nuts.

[Josh]

I wish it wasn't so loud where we were, because when he said Atlanta, I was like, tell me later.

[Mal]

People be trying to act like they ain't into that. Just say you into that. Don't give me that. Y' all got true.

[Rory]

Oh, damn you.

[Mal]

Yeah, you into that. Yo, you into that. It is fine. Oh, Lord, just say you into it. I hate when. Yo, I almost got tricked. What?

[Josh]

Yo, you know what? You're actually not. I didn't look at it that way because other things were going on. That wasn't really my concern. They were definitely over there. Like, I wouldn't say flirt, but they were talking. Like, I didn't know if they knew each other. Whatever. Like, he was.

[Mal]

He was.

[Josh]

There was. Yes, there was rhythm. I couldn't hear what they were saying, but you can see rhythm when rhythm is happening. That could have been his way of, like, saving face.

[Mal]

That's exactly what that was.

[Josh]

Yeah, he should have just. Yo, go. Go like that, girl.

[Mal]

Go have fun, man. Do it.

[Josh]

You think I give a fuck?

[Mal]

Yeah, like, that'd be my thing.

[Josh]

Maybe he was testing the temperature in the room of like, yo, does everybody know what I'm doing?

[Mal]

Yes.

[Josh]

And nobody in the room would have given a.

[Mal]

Nobody.

[Josh]

She was cool as shit, too.

[Mal]

Yeah, nobody.

[Josh]

She was kicking it with us before.

[Mal]

Yeah, he's one of the guys. My bad.

[Josh]

Yeah, yeah. Make it clear I use proper pronouns.

[Mal]

What?

[Josh]

She was a wonderful woman, and I do wish the best for them. I just don't think he. He meaning the guy that I was speaking to should have to hide. Like, let your freak frag fly, man. That's your thing. Yeah, go crazy. I'll go to y' all wedding.

[Mal]

I'm just like, I can't even laugh no more, dog. Remember when could laugh? Like, I can't even.

[Josh]

Matter of fact, it makes those types of things worse when it gets quiet, like, because even though that did happen, it's still like, nobody cares we was around. It doesn't mean we can't make jokes about it.

[Mal]

That's what I'm saying. Like, why we can't laugh. Like, it's okay, man. We can still laugh about.

[Josh]

Because I think women come in all forms, sizes, shapes, everything. We've all made fun. Women have made fun of girls talking up men they don't find attractive. Like, now we can't. If it's an even playing field with everybody, everybody should be able to be joked on.

[Rory]

Yeah, okay.

[Mal]

That's what equality. Yeah. That's all I'm about.

[Josh]

So the homies should.

[Mal]

Equality. Everybody went for the kill. Yeah. Everybody gonna get them. It's all good. It's all love, man. Well, we made headlines. I guess we want to call it that.

[Josh]

I don't think we got credit for the headline, though.

[Mal]

We didn't. I don't really care.

[Rory]

Y' all sparked the dc.

[Josh]

Oh, no. We did have Shade Room. Did, did credit us. Thank you, Shade Room, for everything that you've done for the culture.

[Mal]

Thank you, shade room.

[Josh]

DC Young fly Rick Ross exchanged words following DC's recent mention of him walking up and leaving in the middle of their interview on the 85 South.

[Mal]

Tag me in that hat.

[Josh]

Did you notice that as well? And they did put our clip here as well and added New Royal Mall. Do we think this is going to continue on for a while? Because Ross is one of those people that will never let shit go. I was kind of excited because I thought Ross was going to go for like 48 hours of just non stop clips, but he gave us. He just gave us a pool clip. No, I mean, it's in pools at pool parties.

[Mal]

We had one when we had DC here was it last year when he was by himself without the fellas. We asked him and, you know, he responded. But it was only right that, you know, now that we had Chico and Carlos in the studio that, you know, I asked him again because it had been some time and maybe they did, you know, see Ross since then and speak about it. But I think everything that DC said was on par with what he said last year. You know, he felt the way, you know, it is what it is like, you know, and I understood that There wasn't no disrespect it still loved the Ross and still support Ross. But, you know, you gotta understand that as men, you know, sometimes you like, damn, like, you know, why would you do us like that? Especially when we fuck with you. So heavy. So I respect everything that DC said. I respect it, I understand it. And he's absolutely right in feeling the way he felt. Yeah. Ross's response was a little, you know, he said that, you know, he went there for free. I don't think that 85 pays anybody to do their podcast. So everybody does it for free. People with a bigger name than Rick Ross have done it for free. And then saying, you know, that he had to, you know, he said he was, he was, he was. He had to go somewhere. And that's not what he did. He said he was going to the bathroom and he left. Yeah. So Ross's response was still like, yo, just take accountability, Ross. We fuck with you. Support your music, support everything you got going on. Just take accountability, man. You and I believe that what really happened is Ross might have been in one of those zones where he was too high. And you can start getting that anxiety. You start panicking. You just gotta get out wherever you at, you just gotta get some air. Like, you gotta get outside. So it may have been one of those things where Ross was just, you know, got too high and was having one of them, you know, anxiety attacks, and he just had to get outside and get some cool air and just, you know, just move around a little bit to stop, you know, not have a panic attack. So I understand it, but Ross gotta take accountability, man. Like, what he did was wrong. You can't walk off the set like that and say, you go into the bathroom and then the next thing the guys hear is you still got the live on and you in the car and the car's moving and you driving down the highway. Like, that's just wrong. You don't do 85 like that.

[Josh]

I mean, if he was that high, that would have been a great reason. In response to later say I was. I don't even remember that clip or that I didn't even know I was there.

[Mal]

Yeah, but don't turn it into I did it for free. And it's that. It's like every Snoop did it for free. If Snoop Dogg do something for free, Rick Ross could do something for free.

[Josh]

In this genre of podcasting. I mean, I guess outside will. I don't think Vlad's in our genre because that's more like strict interview style shit. People do not pay guests that at least I'M aware of.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Josh]

I mean, you know, we've covered guests, travel or hotel, if we want to come. Cake. But like, a fee to come on a pod. I'm kind of cool.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Josh]

And I don't knock people that. That do that. I understand. This is a business, and it's a numbers game and things do matter. I think there's nothing wrong with paying guests. Nothing wrong. But 85 us. Like, that's not really. Arthur, if you don't want to be here because you don't want to be here, or we can't have a mutual beneficial thing. You're trying to.

[Mal]

Bunch of shit.

[Josh]

Cool. But I mean. No, I'm not. If you come for free, then don't leave. 10 minutes. Just don't come.

[Mal]

No, just say, yo, fellas, I need to get out of here. That would have fixed everything. But don't say, yo, I'm about to go to the bathroom, and the next thing we hear is the cars pulling off. Like, that's crazy. Like, I thought you was going to the bathroom. Which bathroom? We should have asked his saying his bathroom at his crib. Okay, cool.

[Josh]

Like, DC added something which, correct me if I'm wrong, when he was here by himself, I don't remember him bringing up the other point, that Ross was on a white podcast. They was talking about co, like, a week later. That added even more credence to me. If DC would have said that before, I would have fully understood why he was pissed off.

[Mal]

Nah, I understood it without it.

[Josh]

Like, oh, just what he said. I was like, oh, that's way worse than I thought it was.

[Mal]

But, you know, shout out to. To the. To the guys for coming through. Shout out to 85 South. Definitely got to catch them on the tour to spin the Block tour. Coming to a city near you.

[Josh]

Oh, yeah.

[Mal]

Definitely got to see the guys. Lucky.

[Josh]

And I hope, you know, if. If we could have been any type of catalyst for Ross to go back on their show and they have an amazing episode, I would love to see that.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Josh]

I don't think it needs to be beef. I think it'd be way funnier. Like, DC said, like, we could have done some sketch shit around it. Like, we could have just made a joke out about this, man.

[Mal]

Listen, it's not beef, man. It's never. It's never. That's not what. What this thing is. We're not here to promote beef. Like, it's not a beef thing. It's accountability thing. That's all. I think. I think that D.C. is just looking for just a little accountability on Ross's behalf, you know, and if part of the accountability is him going back and, and making up for it, say, yo, damn, you know, like I walked off last time, let me go make it right with the homies, then let, let that be a part of it. But it's all love. Shout out to 85 South. Shout out to Rick Ross. Everybody keep doing what they doing. Everybody keep getting money.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Mal]

No worrying now.

[Josh]

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[Josh]

I want to give a congratulations first to the clips. 112K sold first week. That is incredible numbers.

[Mal]

I keep saying 112, 118. Which one is it?

[Josh]

I've seen whatever ones, but I'm looking. I'm looking at.

[Mal]

It's a win, man.

[Josh]

It's hip hop Billboard here and it's. It's 112 here. 54. Almost 55,000 pure sales. Which I think is incredible. Too independent. Yeah. Which despite what people. When they see the Roc Nation thing. And here I go caping when I'm really not. I'm just telling you the truth. Roc Nation's label folded into a distribution company. So you can sign to Roc Nation and not be on their label. You can just sign to their distribution company.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Josh]

There is a million artists that y' all think are purely independent that use rock's distribution. People use Tunecore. They're still independent.

[Mal]

Right?

[Josh]

Like, yeah, it's just another version of that. But that also means they're gonna, like, want to check on their investment too. If they get a percentage of what you do. Why wouldn't we try to help y' all push anything?

[Mal]

Right?

[Josh]

And also what's wrong with that? The new fan of trying to kill TDE for like giving Dolce a lot of looks and all this major. Oh, they got a major. That's the point of your label, is to push you. You guys have seen labels be so shitty for so long that y' all get confused when a label does their job and say there's something wrong with it. Like, that's only in our face because of label. Yeah. That's the fucking point.

[Mal]

Right.

[Josh]

And I don't know. How do you feel about this? This clip's perspective of their rollout? I think it was amazing. We came on here, said been one of the better rollouts, but the way it's been turned into this machine. Manipulation is absolutely insane to me. What publication, media outlet did the clips do that not every single fucking artist has done before?

[Mal]

I think what the clips did was. Was. Was dope. I mean, it felt like an old school rollout. They actually was out, you know, moving around, doing the work. But on top of the rollout and things like that. You know, one thing that a lot of people don't understand, Rory, is the work that goes on behind the scenes. And for these rollouts, this is months in advance that these things have to be planned. But the bottom line, because you could have the greatest rollout. But if the music doesn't stand up to the rollout and doesn't stand up to all of the things, and us constantly seeing this in our face, that's when it's a problem. Now, what the clips did, the music, it spoke for itself. They did what they were supposed to do. On that side of it. The rollout helped amplify it and let people know that the album was coming. I love what they're doing from the vinyls, the artwork, the sneakers. You know, everything that they're doing is intentional. It makes sense. It seems like it's a well executed plan to back up a well executed body of work.

[Josh]

Exactly. And I'm glad you said intentional, because to finish my point. Yeah. The clips didn't go anywhere that anyone else had. Anytime they went somewhere, they made it intentional and it sat with the audience when they spoke about. Even if you disagreed with it, even if you said, oh, it's clout. Chasey with the push and Travis shit. Every time the clips went somewhere, they made something count. Whether they were talking about their parents passing.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Every. Whether they were just playing Jada in Fat Joe, some of the songs before on camera. And you just said Jada just had the disgusting. That's intentional. That's a great. You're taking a platform that has a lot of numbers and the audience is leaving with something that has to do with your project.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Josh]

So, yeah, you could say they had the machine, but the machine wasn't in the room with them when they were being interviewed, when they were promoting it. You think. You think Push and Malice need Roc Nation or even Steven Vick are one of the best managers. Or even Steven to get the looks that they got. No, because they've been in this business for 25 years, have their own connections. People love them. They are legends in their own right. Legendary catalog started with Pharrell. No, maybe people just like the clips and maybe they're very good at what they do because I would love to see what look the clips got that every a list artist on a major hasn't gotten.

[Mal]

Yeah, no, I think the clips, what they did was they just spoke to their fan base. They catered to their fan base. If you're new to the clips, I'm sure that they welcome that as well. But I think they focused on their core. They focused on what they do. They didn't go too far away from the clips brand and the things that they would naturally align themselves with. Again, do I feel like some of it was clout chasing? Yeah, I feel like the Travis shit was a little clout chasing.

[Josh]

Can we look up the definition of cloud chasing? Because we've talked about this before.

[Rory]

Well, let's look.

[Josh]

Isn't marketing clout chasing?

[Rory]

Let's look up the definition of clout. You already clout chasing.

[Josh]

But it's my thing culturally.

[Mal]

But yeah, I don't. But even if. Even if it is right, even if I feel like the Travis shit was unnecessary and it was to kind of amplify things, cool. My thing is the music still stood, though. The music was still good.

[Josh]

And. And before anything Travis related, all those interviews, they were reacting to a song.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Josh]

It's not like there was no music related to. Because of course, we always want rappers to rap about how they feel. I always want to know how push feels, even if it is at Travis's expense. It's not like he just went on a interview run talking about if they were asking about a verse he had in a song. So, you know, if you're gonna do that. Yeah, it's in the music. Yeah, that's all that.

[Mal]

That and in the music. The music was good. Was great. Again, you know, they didn't go far away from their formula with Pharrell. I mean, and if you're blessed enough to have Pharrell, you know, in charge of your music and in the studio producing your music, I mean, you really just got a layup at that point. Like, it's. It's like, you know, Pharrell set the screen. You can go get a bucket. So, I mean, I think the clips did what they were supposed to do, man. It's just this just speaks to keeping true to your formula, Keeping true to your brand. Keeping true to it is what you do. Keeping true to your audience, feeding your audience. You know, in a time like now with a lot of other things in the space and sounds and things like that, you know, it takes a. A certain type of person to Know who they are, know what they found is to stay true to it and deliver. And that's what they did, man. Whether you. You like the clips or not, you can't. There's no doubt that they stay true to who they are and execute it.

[Josh]

And everyone that has been trying to put like a negative connotation to their numbers or, you know, trying to focus on everything but the music, I think he brought up a great point of. Through their rollout and music stayed to their core. And look what happened. It leaked over to people that weren't their core. Yeah, they got in front of everyone. Not by having to do. Of course. The Travis thing was one thing, but they focus music platforms even said, we only want to speak to certain people with this, your core is what you focused on. And it went past your core. That's why focusing on your core first is always the best route, always the best way. I saw a lot of people comparing with Jack Boys and congrats to. To chase trav, everybody. 251st week, crazy 181 pure sales.

[Mal]

They did 250.

[Josh]

251. Now that brought. That brought up between why I brought up Jack Boys.

[Mal]

That's surprising. I'm not gonna lie. I didn't see. I didn't see anybody talking about the album.

[Josh]

Dog. Travis went number one with a mixtape that was like 10 years old that he re released with a T shirt.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's. That's wild.

[Josh]

It didn't really shock me. It brought up a lot of points over the past week with the clips and Jack Boys because like you said, clips did a lot of cool shit with different vinyl covers, different merch pieces. Push even said, I forgot. Maybe it was with Joe and Jada that they plan to do more merch collabs with this album. I'm sure that the record will be part of it when you purchase the clothes. That's what Jackboy's done. That's always been something people say about Travis. Remember when Nikki went on that whole fucking crazy rant and then Billboard changed the rules in 2020, then 2023. I want to say they changed it back. That's why we're still able to do the bundle thing. But you have to have the album available for purchase by itself, and then only one T shirt and album can be sold together.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Josh]

That's the only bundles you're.

[Mal]

So this was connected. This album was connected to some Jack Boys merch.

[Josh]

A lot of it.

[Mal]

Okay. That's why that changes things.

[Josh]

I want to make it clear like, pure sales also comes from buying direct on itunes, buying direct vinyls and everything. So they accuse the Clips and Jackboys of, like, you know, the margins are kind of crazy, but not too far off for people that do bundles. It's about half.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Josh]

Who cares? I understood Nicki, because to a superstar like Nicki Minaj, a lot of perception in number one does matter. I get it. But the fans that get mad about this shit, I don't. I don't understand. So Billboard, we have no artist union. We don't. We can't even regulate how Billboard even counts anything. We allowed streaming to set the exact price of what our songs are worth without even a hearing, a trial, nothing. They said, this is the market value, no matter who the you are. And this is it. And we said, okay, here's my music. We're not allowed to go try to find a loophole so we can make some more money.

[Mal]

Mm.

[Josh]

You already fucked us by setting a standard that only really benefits y'. All. At the end of the fucking day, we're not allowed to go outside the lines. The labels we signed to are in bed with you, so why the fuck would I be mad at Travis or Malice or push to find a way to go direct to their consumers to make more money off their hard work? The fuck is y' all mad at the artists for? Be mad at the. That we have to do this because there's no reason to. Travis Scott, that song should be worth 0.000001 of a penny.

[Mal]

Right?

[Josh]

And you also know how to design clothes. You fucking right. I'm gonna find a loophole.

[Mal]

Yeah. I just. I think that, you know, people had.

[Josh]

To do forever is try to find a loophole out of the system that y' all create that we can't go outside of. And now the. The fans of Creatives are going like, oh, no, it's not. How you doing that shit? That's cheating. No, we've been cheated.

[Mal]

Yeah. I think that's the part of it that fans don't really look at and don't really take into, you know, account. Yes, I understand. You know, you're saying, oh, well, the numbers only look like that because they have merch with it. Yeah. But on the artist side, they're looking at it like, well, shit, we gotta find a way to make money. We gotta find a way to, you know, capitalize off of this album. We can't do it purely off of streaming because of, like, you said, what. They're paying us for a stream. So, I mean, you know, but again, it's not the consumers responsibility to one know that or think about that. The consumer's responsibility is to consume and, and decide whether or not they enjoy it or not. They don't really have to get into the business side of it, but they, you know, when they do, when they express themselves and they're mad about something, the information should be available to me. Hey, listen, like you said, the artist is only getting paid this small percentage on their music. Is it not fair for the artist to find a way to kind of capitalize and make money off of their music in another lane? I think it is. You know what I'm saying? Whether that affects the sales and how fans look at the numbers and who's number one, who's number two. Like I said, some of my favorite albums, I don't know where they landed on the charts. I don't know what they sold first week. I have no idea.

[Josh]

And on top of that, and I'm not like taking a shot at Billboard or anything, it's really because we have a no artist union that can regulate it. We don't even know how the Billboard counts anything, right? There's no checks or balances of like, all right, can I audit Billboards? Like, you can't do that. So artists just have to do what is better for them. And we talked about back to like the Nikki thing. I do understand that some major label artists, especially at that level, have stipulation in their contract. Like if you get a number one album, certain budget gets open. Like accolades do matter. It matters with Grammys. Perception is a thing in artistry. So, okay, if you set the standard that I have to have a number one album, I'm a creative. I'm not going to find a way to do it. I have to manipulate the system that you won't change, right? So I'll also do that. I'll also sell a T shirt and not even put an extra 9.99 on it. But you're still getting a digital download. I'll even take the hit financially to do the perception thing because you have created a contract where I need to be in the top 10 to matter at your label or to open a certain budget or have any leverage when I renegotiate, right? I can't get this Grammy because, oh, if you look at Billboard, it doesn't match our Grammy standards. Like, yeah, artists are just doing what's best for them. That doesn't affect, affect the fans whatsoever.

[Mal]

Artists gotta pivot, man. Artists gotta find a way to still capitalize off their art if it means, you know, attaching it to a fire piece of merch and things like that. That's just the. The game that has to be played when the.

[Josh]

The Khaled, Travis, Travis, Tyler thing happened. Remember their fight for number one and that whole corny situation on. On, you know, Khaled's behalf. We all have corny moments. I'm not shitting on Khaled. His. When he didn't beat Tyler, Tyler was. Was pure. I'm sure he did a merch bundle somewhere in there, but he tied that to an energy. He was selling cases of energy drinks, and we didn't even know that was tied to. I was at 7:11. Didn't know I just bought a caladown.

[Mal]

Yeah. You know now.

[Josh]

And here's the thing. I know number one matters a lot to Khaled. It's part of. It's part of his brand and his perception, which I get. I totally get that.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Josh]

I also didn't care, like, if that's how Khaled can make money on the back end and has a deal with the energy company, to me, that's good business.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Like, I mean, unless they're, like, harming people overseas to create this energy drink, I don't like. What. Why, as a fan, would I be mad at that?

[Mal]

Yeah. Only time. Only time.

[Josh]

That's so weird to me.

[Mal]

Only time I look at it a weird way is when the music is trash and you tell me that's number one. That's when I'm like, yo, cut this, man. Like, that album is terrible. Like, but if the music is fire, the album is dope. I don't care if this a hoodie or some sneakers or energy drink tied to that. I don't. As long as the music is good. When the music is not good and y' all try to tell me this is the number one album, that's when I'm looking at you like, man, get out of here. That's not the number one album.

[Josh]

I literally, to this day, I feel like the. The first patriot act Big brother looking over you was U2. In all Apple products, U2 has. Has been part of my life, whether I like it or not.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Josh]

So we supposed to get mad when HOV does a deal with Samsung and it's a million copies before the album even comes out. I don't care.

[Mal]

Right.

[Josh]

Is Magna Carta good? Why the. Would that bother you?

[Mal]

Yeah, I get it. I get it. But as fans, you know, they support who they support, man. And they want to see their people at number one. And if somebody has a hoodie, that's dope. But the album is not. And now that ALB album is number one. I get that part of it. So I get why people upset.

[Josh]

I think a lot of fans, myself included, sometimes, which is, your merch can't.

[Mal]

Be better than an album. I mean, let's put that out there. Your merch can't be better than album.

[Josh]

But here's.

[Mal]

That's when the problem.

[Josh]

Here's the thing. I, you know, as a moral fan of music, do have an issue with people that are not artists, that are just here for a lick. But if your music is trash and your actual talent is to create merch and you're using your shitty YouTube type beat to get eyes in front of your actual talent, I don't care. I don't.

[Mal]

But you. You speaking from a. A creative. And I understand. And I get it. I get it.

[Josh]

I understand a creative that also realizes that integrity doesn't pay the mortgage sometimes. And I'm not saying go do some against your integrity or against your moral value, but if you can capitalize and get $10 instead of $5 out of your core fan base and your fan base can't wait to do that because your product is also good, what the fuck is the problem?

[Mal]

Yeah, I get it. I understand that.

[Josh]

I want to ask these fans, like, to break down what. What would you do in this situation that needs to be an app. Anyone that does a tweet that's. That's like really criticizing someone's business move that doesn't, again, like, hurt anyone. It should give you the scenario of, like, what would you do in this? Yes or no? Would you take this advance? Would you take that would. All right, if Kaz came to you to do all your artwork and then wants to do five different vinyls as limited edition, charge this much money, yes or no, right?

[Mal]

Yeah. No, I get it.

[Josh]

Of course you do.

[Mal]

That makes sense. As long as Tyler the creator don't have the number one album next week, I'm cool.

[Josh]

Why?

[Mal]

That is trash. Oh, it's.

[Josh]

It's been three hours.

[Mal]

It's been three hours of trash.

[Josh]

Really?

[Mal]

That shit is not it. And I love it. You know I fuck with Tyler.

[Josh]

I know you love Tyler.

[Mal]

That album is not it, bro.

[Josh]

Really?

[Mal]

I don't like it, Rory. I don't like it.

[Josh]

It's been one listen, because again, we're recording this on Monday. It came out 6am on Monday, which I want to say I love that Tyler's last two albums, he's done this morning on Monday. You could live with it throughout the week.

[Mal]

I like that.

[Josh]

The weekend. I like dropping it on Monday, you know, Friday, Saturday.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Josh]

People have shit to do sometimes it's tough to live with an album. I like Monday Morning, the numbers, playlisting. But not every artist can do that. Tyler's Tyler, so.

[Mal]

Yeah, no, he can do that. Yeah. He has the luxury of doing that.

[Josh]

I miss Tuesday releases. Like, I. I like this. So I haven't had much time. I loved it off the first listen.

[Mal]

Loved it.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Mal]

No way. Our taste levels are not that different, bro.

[Josh]

It's a fun project you could have.

[Mal]

Yes, it is. It's a fun project that's just.

[Josh]

Oh, so you're gonna get really pissed at my comparison, then.

[Mal]

What are you comparing this to?

[Josh]

It's what, 21 minutes?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Straight to the Point album. I'm not comparing them sonically or lyrically. I'm saying, to me, this is like his King Disease Magic type series. It's straight, it's good beats, some bars. Nothing's overthought. It's just music. It's just straight to the point of, here's a great beat and here's some raps.

[Mal]

Listen. I listen to it.

[Josh]

That version of. Of the King's Disease in Magic, the way Nas and Hitboy did. Listen, like, we're not overthinking this. This is just great beats and great rhymes.

[Mal]

That's cool. And sometimes not overthinking it is great. This is one time we're not overthinking. It didn't land on the side of great. To me, I love Tyler, the creator. I think he's dope. I love everything he does visually. I love his whole aesthetic, his brand. I. With him, this project. I'm not going to go back and listen to this much, if at all, really. It just didn't. I listened to two twice to maybe two and a half. I turned it off when I got here on the third listen. It's just not.

[Josh]

What. What don't you like about.

[Mal]

It? I get it. You taking a chance sonically, musically, you're doing something different, trying to sound different.

[Josh]

Here's the thing, I think. Yeah, I don't think there's, like, a risk here. I think it's just kind of straight to the point. Like, this is a mashup of all the sounds Tyler has had over the last 15 years.

[Mal]

And, yeah, the match.

[Josh]

I don't think there's a. I don't think there's any risk. I think it's. This is Tyler in a true form of him not wanting to do three years in between albums like he used to and just coming back with some 21 minutes instead of letting shit sit on a hard drive. I did it. Here you go.

[Mal]

He could have kept this 21 minutes, though. We ain't need that.

[Josh]

Really?

[Mal]

Nah.

[Josh]

You don't think it's one of those that maybe you need to, like, give it a chance outside of a Uber in FDR traffic?

[Mal]

I listened to it in the crib.

[Josh]

Okay.

[Mal]

I turned it on this morning. As soon as it dropped, I saw it dropped. I was like, oh, okay. Getting dressed. Okay, turn it on. And that's how I like to listen. I don't like to really, like, focus on the music. I like to just let it play in the background.

[Josh]

Same.

[Mal]

Nothing really grabbed me and was like, okay, this is hard. Like, I didn't. It just was like, it's, you know, music. It's like, all right, he's rapping a little bit, got a few bars. But it's not nothing where I'm like, yo, I gotta bring that back. I gotta hear that again. Like, nothing said bring that back.

[Josh]

I liked the ones that stood out again. One listen in between having a flat tire sucker free. I loved Ring Ring Rings. Cool. Stop playing with me. Don't you wear the last three? I love 8 through 10, I think are great. I have to go back to don't tap the glass. Oh, yeah, this is a cool joint. Do I think it compares off first listen to, like, Igor? No, but it's a. Or call.

[Mal]

I'm not even. I'm not even comparing it to his other. His other. I'm. I listen to it for exactly what it is. This is what he put out this morning. This is what I'm listening to. I'm not thinking about it with Igor ears and all of that. I'm just listening to new talent music. None of it grabbed me. None of it helped me. I didn't bring back any of the songs. Like, yo, let me hear that again. Like, it just didn't. It wasn't it for me, man. Maybe. I don't know. Maybe, you know, it might change throughout the week.

[Josh]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mal]

As of right now, two and a half listens.

[Josh]

Well, also, I'm old.

[Mal]

I don't. I go back to what I was listening to, man. I was. I was still listening to the clips.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I mean, I go back to that. Like, I turned. I turned that off and went back to the clips. Like, I, I just. I don't know, I just didn't. It didn't really. It didn't really grab me. This, this, this project again. Maybe he just wanted, like you said, get, get these songs out the hard drive, put it out there. Cool visual, I guess, you know, whatever. But I just. To me it's just, it's. It ain't this ain't it.

[Josh]

It's funny. I, I hope how quick he turned it around coming off the last project. I hope he's getting into everyone. I'm not comparing him to Nas, to that part of the. The second half of his career where it's a vibe like keep putting music out, like quicker. Like, I love that he waits to do these masterpieces. Takes three years. Tours.

[Mal]

Yeah, but everybody ain't does everything great.

[Josh]

Again, I'm not calling telling. No, no, I get it very clear.

[Mal]

No, no, but some people don't need to put out music at that volume though.

[Josh]

I think Tyler, for the type of producer and writer he is, is one of those that I would trust at a high clip to do that. I really do. I. I was going to come in here and say, is there a single artist in the new generation that you could compare to Tyler? I don't think even out the big three, they don't. I think all three of them have, you know, maybe better catalogs, which I think could even be argued to some degree. Is anyone like, even when, when Kanye came out, there was still people that we could compare him to as far as like, we know Q Tip produce raps. Like that was a thing for so long and yeah, I think was like the last probably big A list rapper that we knew was producing. And if you say he didn't write some of his stuff, mixed bag. But Tyler's the only one of his generation that is that to me. So I think there's like a different connection when somebody's really producing it as like you are putting this entire pieced together. And I. Looking at his catalog of nine solo joints outside the odd future, this discography can be argued in hip hop history.

[Mal]

No.

[Josh]

At this point in 2025.

[Mal]

Yeah, no, whatever you think about this.

[Josh]

Last project, it came out three hours ago.

[Mal]

We know that about Tyler though.

[Josh]

This, this is, this is a. A classic discography, which I don't know if his peers have this nine right here.

[Mal]

No, we. But we know. And that's what I'm saying. I. With this last offering, it. It didn't do nothing for me and I. And I think Tyler's incredible. Like I've spoken about that for years. I think he's incredible to some extent. I even think he's underrated to some extent. I. I hear what you're saying, but just this. Don't tap the glass. I just don't. You know, it. It again, I. Listening to. Just didn't. Nothing really grabbed me. Like, nothing really was like. Like, this is incredible. Like, I just didn't. I didn't get that.

[Josh]

All right, can I challenge you for Friday that we revisit this? Or maybe next Tuesday we could do it Friday.

[Mal]

We can revisit it. That's enough days for me to, like.

[Josh]

Listen to a project again. I liked off the first listen. I'm also of the belief that there's projects I've loved off the first listen. And by the third one, I was like, maybe I just like the hype.

[Mal]

Yeah, no, it happens.

[Josh]

So I can come in here on Thursday and say I don't like it. Yeah, but, you know, we did also say in the group chat, like. Like, it just came out. There's not even. Listen, don't judge us for any review.

[Mal]

I'm just going off of the. The. The natural. Like, when I listen to an album, it's just something that Something grabs me, something holds my attention. Something like, I. This one, I didn't feel that. I didn't feel that with this project.

[Josh]

What I did grasp from this one, in probably the last three, four Tyler projects, which maybe because I had the wedding on my mind, if Tyler sat down, I would ask him if he ever thinks he'll find love. Oh, it's been four. It's been four hours.

[Mal]

That would be the dumbest question you could ever ask. Why, creator? Do you ever feel like you would find. I think Tyler would answer that in.

[Josh]

Such a fucking way because he's hilarious. But I'm saying, if you really pay attention to the themes and writing of the last. Last four projects, sky probably. He sucks at love, man. I get it. That's why I identify with that, like, he. And he does it in a great way as an artist, because there's fun stuff, substance stuff. There's accountability on stuff. There's. What's the, like, 15 minute joint on Call me if you get lost. It's named after a street. Why am I blanking? Where everyone thought he was, like, talking about Solange or some. Which was, like, a complete lie. When he. His man's girl. Oh, Wilshire. There was accountability on that of how, like, shitty he was but not caring. That would be my first question to Tyler Critter. He's awesome. Like, the last four albums have had a theme of the love below of, like, this is never going to work out for me.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Josh]

And knowing how vulnerable Tyler has been even when it's got him in trouble. But not really sells out arenas. Nothing's changed. This guy sucks at love. I mean, but I'm not judging him because I was just in the stripper row at the wedding. Like, this isn't a attack at his character. It's more of an identity thing. I can't think of an artist where the last four projects all have been like, it's not gonna work out. Usually they'll even lie and say there's, like, some redemption. Like. Like, they'll get in a situationship and be like, this is the one, and make an album about it. He has failed four albums straight with just trying to find a girlfriend.

[Mal]

I mean, maybe he need a boyfriend.

[Josh]

He's. Nobody's talked about that too, so that's.

[Mal]

Maybe he just don't. He's confused.

[Josh]

He don't know what he. And Sorry, which was on the deluxe of Call Me Gets Lost, which was like, one of my favorite records of that year. He said he apologized to. To all the girls that he was lying to, that he was bisexual and dudes. And then apologize to the guys for misleading them. Like, I'm just gay to. I wasn't trying to date you.

[Mal]

Also, like, no, they know your answer.

[Josh]

He.

[Mal]

Tyler don't know what he wants.

[Josh]

That's the theme too, in the.

[Mal]

Yeah, he don't know what he want, man. He got to be real and honest with himself first before you talk about finding love. Like, he. He don't even know where to look for love at.

[Josh]

But then even if you look at like, the deluxe of Call Me Get Lost the record Heaven, when they flip the John Legend shit, the whole second verse is just like dying to be 40 years old and married with kids.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Josh]

And like setting his mom up in the house and all that. Like, he's actively talking about that, but then only talks about how he fucks up every relationship.

[Mal]

Yeah, he. I think he's just, you know, I mean, he'll find it one day. I just don't think right now Tyler is honest with his. With himself. Personally. I don't know. Musically, I think he's. He's tapped in there, but maybe personally he just still. You know, he does. He's still finding himself and figuring out what he really like. Likes.

[Josh]

Yeah. I wish he would come on the pod. I would talk about everything but music and piss off his whole core. I was just like, want to talk about personal things? I would corner him worse than old boy did.

[Mal]

Hey, no, that was crazy. That was. That was. I still can't believe that was real.

[Josh]

We glossed over that too quick.

[Mal]

Yeah. I don't. I still can't believe that came and.

[Josh]

Went and it shouldn't have.

[Mal]

That was absolutely crazy. I. I still think that was a skill skit. I don't think that was real.

[Josh]

I don't know, man. I thought it was a skit for a while. The more people I. I talked to, it wasn't, like, at all.

[Mal]

Yeah. Are they still cool?

[Josh]

I think. I don't know, but I could see things. I don't like followers like his Getty images to see, like, who he walks out of the club with.

[Mal]

Yeah. I don't know, but I'll listen to the Don't Tap the Glass again. I'll give it a couple more listens, but of the first two and a half, I'm not really. I don't. It's just not for me.

[Josh]

What do you think?

[Rory]

Respectfully, I was gonna say it's just not for you. It's just not for me, and that's okay.

[Josh]

What do you think that the title.

[Mal]

Means of the album Don't Tap the Glass? You usually see that when there's animals that you don't want to agitate, you know, that type of thing. So maybe. Maybe this isn't. Maybe he has a Sea World appearance coming up.

[Josh]

Yo.

[Rory]

All right, hilarious.

[Mal]

Maybe he has a SeaWorlder, but I don't know. He can't tap the glass. You don't want to disturb orca. You know what I'm saying?

[Josh]

So, yeah, I mean, listen, I. I don't know if I've. Again, my White Face should be the one. I think it's a brilliant title, and I almost don't want to give my opinion, because if I'm wrong, boy, is that gonna be awkward.

[Mal]

No, what was your opinion, please?

[Josh]

I. I think.

[Mal]

Let's hear it.

[Josh]

I think based off. And again, first listen, maybe he explains it more and I just didn't catch everything. Just off the title alone. Based off, you know, some of his recent comments about the Ian guy. Yeah. I think Tyler realizes that how big hip hop has become. There's a lot of people that aren't culture vultures per se, but they're just passing visitors and have had a higher opinion than they've ever had before, and they're viewing it the way I Used to talk about the Wire, how white people love the Wire because it feels like they could see the hood in a safe place. And they're like, white people are obsessed with the Wire. I think, obviously, it goes without saying that's happened with hip hop and how much it's grown. So telling y'. All, view us like this entertainment is a zoo. Like, we. We are just dancing for you. So don't tap the glass. Just watch. Shut the up. Pay your fee.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Josh]

Watch.

[Mal]

All right.

[Josh]

If you view it this way, do not even really. Just pay your fee.

[Mal]

I see it.

[Josh]

Do not. Don't. You're treating us like animals. Like, you just sitting there going like this. And you know. You know, I'm not even in your habitat.

[Mal]

Like, yeah.

[Josh]

But, boy, I hope I'm wrong or right, because if I'm wrong, it's gonna be weird.

[Mal]

No, I mean, I'm not mad at that. I'm not mad at that. You know, you seeing it that way, that makes sense. I don't know if Tyler is, you know, if he thought that deep into it, but I.

[Josh]

Again, it just sparked. And I'm not saying solely this is like, a Ian disc, because I don't even, like, listen to Ian or know about him, but that was the first time I heard Tyler speak up about that topic specifically and put a name on it. So, yeah, I feel like Tyler's very intentional with his words and interviews and what he said about Ian to me. Don't tap the glass. Sparked in my head right away. Like, this guy over here cosplaying Gucci and Future and wearing khakis and a polo like that from Future and Gucci sounds that way because of pain. That's not like the you doing your voice. That's. You don't understand what that comes from.

[Mal]

Yeah, okay, I see it.

[Josh]

This ain't you.

[Mal]

I see it.

[Josh]

Like, it's fine with people that are influenced as long as they're authentic to themselves.

[Mal]

Right?

[Josh]

But this ain't you. Don't even talk that way.

[Mal]

I can see it. Definitely not mad at that. That.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Mal]

All right, well, I'll give it. I'll give it a couple more lists since you love it. And I think that our taste level. I think that our taste levels align on a lot of things. So the fact that I'm on the other side of the love. I'll give it a couple more.

[Josh]

I know what the fans are going to accuse you of. I do believe you, because I don't think you lie about music opinions, but I know the Comments are going to be like, maul hates this because Braun and clips were in the video. I know. I just know the Internet. I just know. I'm not saying it's true.

[Mal]

I just sat here and said, I love the clips out.

[Rory]

We know, pookie. The Internet.

[Josh]

We know.

[Rory]

You know.

[Josh]

Okay, see, you don't. Because you don't tap the glass enough.

[Mal]

Oh.

[Josh]

You don't realize that this is all dedicated to Drake. And because Tyler was at the Pop out, they all got in a group chat and then LeBron went into the video and then the clips. Obviously, we know their relationship for years with Tyler. And Tyler just became a Clips fan.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Josh]

Because. Because he hates Drake and this album is coated. Coated in. Honestly, nevermind. So, yeah, you don't see. You don't even.

[Mal]

Don't tap the glass.

[Josh]

The glass more.

[Mal]

And then Iceman is coming. The ice. I see where it's going.

[Josh]

Tyler just one of the Iceman.

[Mal]

I see where it's going. I get it.

[Josh]

Because we know Tyler's never been original.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Josh]

He's always trying to be somebody else.

[Mal]

I get it now. I get it. Okay.

[Rory]

They won't even catch that sarcasm. They're about to clip you and put that as a clip.

[Mal]

Oh, God.

[Josh]

Yeah. They'll miss the last 20 minutes and just. Just clip that.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah. You know how that goes.

[Josh]

And I'll be the. The Ty. Um, but I don't know. I mean, I like that video. And back to my app idea of, hey, what would you do in this situation if LeBron James and the clips and Mav wanted to be in my video? I'd say yes. Did. I think it's odd sometimes of just like somebody sitting there like this on a green screen. Sure. But I'd never say no if LeBron James wanted to be my video.

[Mal]

As you should. You should. You should welcome LeBron into your video.

[Josh]

Nothing to do like Drake. I don't know. I don't think. I really don't think that anything to do with Drake whatsoever.

[Rory]

P said, okay.

[Josh]

The clips thing, obviously not. But what would Tyler have against Drake?

[Mal]

He was at the Pop Out.

[Josh]

Okay, but.

[Mal]

So bro went to pop out with them, but been dick riding gangsters headlines.

[Josh]

I thought that was more about, like demar and Braun.

[Mal]

I mean, Tyler too.

[Josh]

Tyler's been an open Drake fan. But the LeBron thing, I understood because they were fan, like, friends. Friends for real. Are Tyler and Drake that close? Like, did he owe him anything in that?

[Mal]

No, I don't think he did. But, you know, he was at The Pop Up.

[Josh]

Oh. I don't think Drake likes anyone that went there. I just don't think Tyler is going out of his way.

[Mal]

Don't like the. That work. The concession stand. He got all of these. He got all of these. The union workers got all of their IDs. He knows everybody that sold popcorn there that night. All y'. All.

[Josh]

That's hilarious. The only thing I found weird was forget Drake out of that. Anytime Tyler has freestyled, even in the verse he has with Game. All he's done is dissed LeBron James hairline for the last 20 years. Anytime he's asked to rap. If I'm brown, I'm the Drake. I'm not going. Like we have to have a hairline conversation, sir. There.

[Mal]

Yeah. Oh, I got to watch the video again, though, to see if there's any little, you know, what did I miss?

[Rory]

Sorry.

[Mal]

Ah, the newspapers flying around. Headlines in the newspaper.

[Josh]

Ah, okay. Oh, all right. See, I'm. I didn't think that headline was about Tyler, but when the headlines come out. 2014 sounds about right.

[Mal]

Sounds about right. Maybe 13.

[Josh]

Okay.

[Mal]

Either way, you know, okay.

[Josh]

Actually, I thought it was about Braun, but him and Braun had been friends. Was before that. That was like the what's the joint with Kanye, Wayne, Eminem and Drake. That was for bronze movie. Yeah. They've been friends for a while. Maybe it was about Tyler and. Yeah, the newspapers. Okay, I take it back.

[Rory]

Headlines was on take care. Yeah, 2012.

[Josh]

Okay then. All right. Yeah, maybe it was.

[Mal]

I don't know. I'm just talking.

[Rory]

Yeah, we just make.

[Josh]

No, but all that deep dive with. With certain stuff like that. But the newspapers, I mean, that does make sense now that you bring up the. The headline. Yeah, I get it.

[Mal]

I'm just talking. Yeah.

[Rory]

Look at us stirring up narratives. I love that.

[Mal]

Everybody else do.

[Rory]

We the narrative cast.

[Mal]

Nah, we just. The cast. We just. That's it, bro. Everybody else startup narratives.

[Rory]

And like when we stir up narratives, they tend to grow legs and start twerking.

[Mal]

So I mean, I'm just, you know, I'm just talking. I don't think that Tyler was throwing any shots at. At Drake.

[Rory]

I don't think so cares like that, to be honest.

[Josh]

Yeah. And I also don't really care. But speaking of rap beef, since we're here skeptical. Replied to Jordan Lucas. Listen, man, I'm here to walk back. Back all my takes and start from scratch. It's been a weak ass battle.

[Rory]

Damn.

[Mal]

Holy. You wasn't feeling the last.

[Josh]

Maybe. Maybe I was too excited. Maybe I put myself at a pedestal of my excitement for this and it wasn't warranted. I think both of these gentlemen, who are highly lyrical, undersold, and I was fine with those first rounds. Just a little temperature check, a light shit. So we could eventually take it there. We've had this and it's been silence. Nobody cares.

[Rory]

Now they having a mid off.

[Mal]

Nah, you know what it is? Mid off is funny. But you know what I think it is? I think that, you know, because of the. The moment we had last year with two of the biggest in the game and then it kind of parlayed into, you know, other battles and.

[Josh]

Which were great. Right?

[Mal]

You know, it's. I just think we battled out right now. I think. I just think everybody's just like. Everybody just relax. The battle thing is, you know, if you wanted to continue to throw shots, cool. But I, I don't think that. I don't think that we are. We want to see another battle right now. I don't think that we want that. We want. We getting good music, we're getting good albums. I think people are kind of moved away from the whole battle thing and are more focused on. On that. Just give us good music, give us good, good albums, give us some good shows and that's cool. But I think the battle thing is. I mean, I like it only because again, I'm a little more tapped in with what's going on, you know, over in the UK as far as the music. And I know exactly how dope a lot of those guys are. I like it because I think that, you know, it helps kind of like get eyes and ears on those guys if it's in this type of a thing. I just don't know if enough people care to find dope UK rappers via a beef with American rappers. Like, I don't think. I don't know if they want to see it that way.

[Josh]

I feel like two rappers that can turn over records very quickly, especially in this type of vein. Cause they both rap rap. They don't have to sit and consult with one of their mans, one of their. They can just go into a studio and make a fucking record.

[Mal]

Make some records, make some joints.

[Josh]

The timing and how. If it was light, light for the first one and y' all came back in three days, I would fully. I was like, can't use all your clips right away like we're doing. If this ends up going four rounds, I gotta have. Yeah, they did some light and then it got quiet like, yeah, I just dropped something this week. I'll still care and listen, but.

[Mal]

Oh, you're gonna listen because you're just a music guy.

[Josh]

Hey, I don't know. It felt. It felt like, super unnecessary. Like, even the Joey Badass and Ray Vaughan thing, we were like, they have no real beef. It's one whatever. But at least they just. Clips was coming. It was fun. Like, it was just rapping and fun, and it was consistent. I even feel like we need to apologize to Daylight because we were overly critical of him, which I felt rightfully so. But if this is the other standard, I'm Sorry, Day.

[Mal]

Yeah, no, but it's. Again, it's.

[Rory]

Don't call him Day. Call him Light. I'm sorry, Day. I'm sorry. Go ahead.

[Josh]

Do you think.

[Mal]

Sorry, I. I just think that is just setting the stage.

[Josh]

What if his name is like.

[Rory]

I don't.

[Mal]

I don't. I just.

[Rory]

I don't know.

[Josh]

Like, no, Like, I don't know Light's real name? What. Like, what if it is. What if I'm calling him by, like, his real name?

[Rory]

His name Light? Like, everybody call him, like, I'm Sorry Day. I don't know.

[Josh]

I wanted to apologize because I called his Light before and I'm putting some respect on his name after. I saw this. This spew of a battle.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mal]

Yeah, I just think we battled out. I think the battle thing is. Is just. It's getting a little. It's feeling a little, you know, forced at this point.

[Josh]

Okay, you're saying.

[Mal]

But there are some dope. Again, people need to understand. There are some very dope, dope MCs and rappers out of the UK, though.

[Josh]

Hell yeah.

[Mal]

You know, a lot of people don't know that because they don't listen to it. You know, whether it's just the accent barrier, you know, just the slang is different. But there are a lot, A lot of dope, dope MCs and rappers in the UK. So, you know, I. I like this type of stage because it helps people find them. But I just think we battled out. I don't think we want to see another battle right now.

[Josh]

I feel like come Friday, we are going to have more battle conversations.

[Mal]

Why is that?

[Josh]

We get Alchemist and Freddie Gibbs Alfredo2 on Friday. I think based off what Freddie has been tweeting over the last few months, the last year.

[Mal]

Who he going at?

[Josh]

I haven't. I promise. I have not heard of anything except for 1995.

[Mal]

What is he going at?

[Josh]

Can I speculate?

[Mal]

Nah, man. But all right, because this is why. This is why you be pissing me because you be knowing.

[Josh]

Okay.

[Mal]

You be knowing, and then you just don't want to say shit.

[Josh]

Don't do that.

[Mal]

Say that shit.

[Josh]

Don't do that. That. Because you were way too confident when you came in here and said, I hope Stove God just doesn't do the hook. And then I listened to the album thinking, stove God 1000% has a verse who I speak to pretty often. And I was like, how Ma know that?

[Mal]

No, but I had heard because he played. They played the song in Paris at the. At the Fashion Week. They played the. The record. It says Stove only had the hook.

[Josh]

But I thought they just played the snippet.

[Mal]

No, they played the whole record.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Mal]

And so people was like, yo, he only on the hook.

[Josh]

She wasn't like. They had played the. Kendrick before Kendrick. Cedric got on it. I thought it was like there was a Stove verse. For real?

[Mal]

Yeah. No, I was hoping that I was. They was wrong, but.

[Josh]

Well, I. I promise you, I do not know. I've only heard 1995 like the rest of y'. All.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Josh]

Between tweets that Freddie has had that we've discussed on this pod talking to. He's been going at Cole subtly. We've talked about this for a year.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

You looking at me?

[Mal]

Because you're sitting right there. Okay.

[Josh]

Based off conversations I've had with Freddie personally, that again, I'm not divulging any information. You can see it in his tweets. We just talked more about his tweets. Like, yeah, I'm talking about Cole. It wasn't a secret. I think we get coal bars on this. I have not heard it. I have not spoken to Freddie specifically about that outside of when he was tweeting before. But I'm just going to guess when you have albeits, you're coming off Alfredo the series. The first one being the classic that it is. Yeah. I think he's here to prove that he's better than everybody. Well, I mean, I'm not going to take shots on Al Beats on. On Alfredo, too, after he's been tweeting and putting in certain bars. On the last project, he. There was a few coal bars. He even talked about Cole apologizing. You think Freddie is. Is just gonna chill?

[Mal]

I mean, listen, he's like.

[Josh]

He's never letting anything go.

[Mal]

Yeah. If there's anybody that's gonna have some bars directed at somebody, it would be Freddie Gibbs for sure.

[Josh]

He's going direct at Cole. I think he's gonna continue to, especially since Cole is Supposed to. At one point.

[Mal]

At one point I was. I was. I was okay with that. I was like, okay, cool. But I just don't. I just don't know if Freddie going at J. Cole right now is. I'm not gonna say it's necessary, but do we care?

[Josh]

I don't think there's going to be a record dedicated to J. Cole. I don't think we're getting a J. Cole.

[Mal]

Not a record, but bars.

[Josh]

There's gonna be some bars for sure.

[Mal]

But do we care?

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I don't know, man. I just think that people have put. I think people have put J. Cole in the space of. Obviously he's. He's ill. He's one of the best that we have.

[Josh]

Here comes some disrespect.

[Mal]

No, there's no disrespect, but I just don't think that people. I think right now, if Freddie Gibbs puts out, the song could be beautiful. It could be an incredible song. I think that if Freddie Gibbs is on there going at J. Cole, I think you're gonna get more people saying, that was unnecessary and that was corny than saying, like, okay, Cole, like, what you gonna do? Like, you gotta. I just think that's where we at right now.

[Josh]

Well, after the shots on the last project, I'll end then I'll say this conversation I had with Freddie after that, but again, tweet, idiot said bars direct. We had that conversation of like, you either look like a bully or J. Cole has the excuse of like, not punching down talent wise. But you know, he's at that a list where if you ignore something, it just looks like you're above everybody and that's why you're doing it. So, yeah, you can't really win for losing. But I'm saying, I don't think Freddie gives a. About the.

[Mal]

That. Oh, no, he don't care what I'm saying. But I'm just saying the fans are.

[Josh]

Going to look at it like, all right, you either.

[Mal]

That's what I'm saying. I'm talking about the consumers. I'm talking about us, the consumers.

[Josh]

Like, are you just trying to chase and trying to get them to react?

[Mal]

Like, I. A year ago I would have loved it. Now I'm. I would hear it and be like, because now that's all they're gonna be talking about is. Is the J. Cole bars. How beautiful the music is and how beautiful the album.

[Josh]

Ready. Fans always talk about it. You're always going to get again the fans that tap on the glass ass. Yeah, I Mean, you need, you need some of those bars. So other people that wouldn't usually talk about your album. We'll talk about it.

[Mal]

All right. Here's the question though. Does J. Cole respond?

[Josh]

No. Which I've, I've. Not that Freddie would or would not take my advice on that. I, I would say go for it, but Cole is not gonna reply.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Josh]

I think maybe he'll throw a subtle shot where it's so open ended that you can prove to your friends in a small room that he's talking about Freddie Gibbs. You can't really publicly.

[Mal]

I don't like, you know, like, man, you know, I don't like, you know.

[Josh]

You know rappers, you know rappers that do subtle like that, they know only another rapper is going to know what I'm talking about.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Josh]

I think Cole will do that if Freddie has more bars for him and Alfredo, because I do think Cole is dropping before September, November.

[Mal]

What you think, Baby D?

[Rory]

I don't know if I don't know, man. I'm starting to feel this is starting to give Cardi sophomore album again, where I'm like, nah, it's coming. Nah, it's coming. And then the shit, it just keep getting pushed back and pushed back to my cold. Yeah, it's starting to give that. Obviously not the same amount of time, but I'm not predicting anymore. Cause every time I predict, I'm wrong. I hate being wrong. I don't do well with being wrong. I'm gonna listen to it when it comes, but I don't know if it's coming this year.

[Josh]

Year.

[Rory]

I, I, earlier last year, I would have been the album I'm talking about.

[Mal]

If Freddy goes at Cole, you know, Damaris don't care. Do you, do you, do you feel like Cole should respond, Oh, I already said no.

[Rory]

I, It's a lose lose situation for him.

[Mal]

Why is it a lose lose?

[Rory]

We already had that con. It's a lose lose because why you.

[Mal]

Respond to him but not.

[Rory]

Yes, okay, yes. Like it's, there's. He's going to, it's a lose lose regardless. So just, no, just leave it alone.

[Mal]

See, y' all killed me when I said that was career suicide, but that's what I meant. Cause you like, who, who do you go? Who do you respond to now? Who do you stand behind your pen against now?

[Josh]

I still stand by. It's not career suicide, but he still.

[Mal]

Can make music and sell records.

[Josh]

I'm talking about the Garden like two days before.

[Mal]

I'm talking about, I'm talking About from an MC standpoint where.

[Josh]

Okay, again, I disagree. Career suicide. I still think Cole would do the same numbers he always would have done with this next project. Still be revered the same way. I do think what has paused this album coming out is I think he needed to rewrite some bars. I think there was a lot of bars on there that he would look nuts saying. That's what I think has pushed some of this back.

[Rory]

Oh, for sure.

[Josh]

I think he had records that were done. Done. We about to send these shits to mastering. But you going to sound nuts saying that.

[Mal]

Like what, though? Like going at people.

[Josh]

Not the overall generic. I'm the greatest. None of these rappers can see me. That we've loved Cole doing for the past decade. Like our favorite col.

[Mal]

Okay, so that's what I mean by career. Like, you can't. Your career is.

[Josh]

I know J. Cole is completely capable and has proven that every song he does does not need to be braggadocious. I think he just had to pivot a bit. And that's what's pushed this album back. Because he can't get. Like, if you go through 95 South. 95 south, the intro to the project, he getting his shit off on that.

[Mal]

No, no, we know. We know Cole can route. But what I'm saying is. So when I say career, because people kill me for saying career suicide, because.

[Rory]

I think it's a little extreme. You can say it alters his career, changes his career. Career suicide means your career is over.

[Mal]

But he has to change. He has to just going off of what Roy said. He has to completely change the way he writes his bars now.

[Rory]

Yes, but that does. That does not.

[Mal]

So he has to take out the braggadocious. I'm the best. If a rapper can't. Doesn't have that in his bars. If a rapper can't pop his. What can he do? Tell us about him losing his virginity again.

[Josh]

No, see. All right, I'm not gonna let you do that.

[Mal]

So I'm just asking. If you can't. If you can't pop it.

[Josh]

To me, would be losing your.

[Mal]

What?

[Rory]

I think he can still pop it. Whether you agree or not, whether you respect it or not is different. But he can still pop it.

[Josh]

He's gonna pop. I just don't think.

[Mal]

Yeah, but that pop it don't land the same. Of course he can still say it. Yeah, you can say whatever the fuck you want to say. But it don't land the same as it did a year and a half, two years ago. And that's what I'm saying, like. So now Rory's saying he had to change bars. He had to.

[Josh]

I still think he would be popping.

[Mal]

I can't say that.

[Cliff]

Not the same way.

[Mal]

I can't say that. That to me is like, you take Jordan's fate away from him. I don't know who we have as a player. That's what I'm saying. My career is suicide. You tell Shaq he can't dunk. I don't know who we have as a player.

[Josh]

And I think by hip hop rules and standards, as a rap fan, yes, you're correct. But Cole, who probably has one of, if not the biggest core fan base of a rapper we've seen of this generation, that's career suicide. When you lose them, everyone that's a. A core Cole fan would tell you that love yours is why they're a fan over the Looking for trouble verse like. Like, yeah. Cole has had a large part of his career of him popping and rapping better than everyone and saying, you can't rap as good as me. But that's not what built Cole's career.

[Mal]

That had a huge part in it.

[Josh]

It was a good.

[Mal]

Because your fans start to say it with you. They wrap your bars.

[Josh]

Because anytime Cole would do some of the more singing, more vulnerable, more softer records, he would remind you that he raps better than all y'.

[Mal]

All.

[Josh]

But that was never like the core part. Shit, why Hole even signing was off lost ones. Like, that's not a lyric. Cole was lyrical as at that time. The only reason people wanted to sign him was because of the vulnerability of the he was doing. That's what dial in a dream that started that. He just reminds us every now and then that, like, first person shooter. Like, I forgot Cole was better than everybody. It's not the like, literally the DNA of his career. That's why I don't think it's suicide.

[Rory]

Like, if Ross can't rap about being rich no more, that's career suicide. Yeah, it's different. Like, Cole is not all, I'm better than you. I'm better than you. I'm better than you. That's not who he did it well. But that's not his core as a rapper.

[Josh]

He's got to curb some of that. Yeah, you can't say that. But to say that's like. That's like fifth on Cole's list of. If you talk about, like, Jordan Fadeaway, that's like fifth in his NBA Live created player stats.

[Mal]

I just. I mean, again, I think it may be the Age. But for me, me, the one thing that every dope MC and every rapper has is the ability to say, I'm better than all y'. All.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Mal]

When you lose that ability, you're losing a lot.

[Josh]

I just think Cole's creative enough to. To still boast and brag in a different way. He can't do the directs. No. None of you rappers can see me or all my kids. That. That stuff is. It's a dub for that. I don't want to hear that from him either. And I love Cole, but I think he's creative enough to find a way to still be, you know, brag, be. Be flying.

[Mal]

I don't know.

[Rory]

Just because. Just because a messy battle.

[Mal]

That's your confidence.

[Rory]

Just because a messy battle went a messy way and all of that happened, it doesn't take away. If we're talking about ability, it doesn't take away the ability. The fact that we all know that Cole does rap better than the majority of these rappers. We all know that that's not something that he has to prove to us or that he has to tell us. We already know that. You know that. So battle or no battle, it doesn't.

[Mal]

Cole rap better than Freddie Gibbs?

[Josh]

We've had. I mean, we've had.

[Rory]

We've had that conversation.

[Mal]

Yeah. I don't know. I don't know that.

[Josh]

But a lot of times of. And I'm speaking just for me, where I thought Cole was one of the best rappers, was just him rapping, not necessarily rapping, that he was better than every rapper. And no rapper can test him or he'd eat y' all alive. He's just proven. Even his leakers freestyle. Like, he's just rapping really well. He's not specifically saying no rapper should ever try to diss me because you're dead if that happens. Of course he has those bars, but. But those were never the ones where I was like, oh, that's why he's the best. He just raps really well. That's. You can still prove you're the best rapper without having to say, I will beat anyone in a battle.

[Mal]

Well, we gonna have to see. We're gonna have to see where his confidence is at. We're gonna see. See what he sounds like coming out of that. Like you said, you feel like he's had to take out some lines and read his bars.

[Josh]

Yes.

[Mal]

So we going. We gonna have to see where.

[Josh]

Self aware enough where it lands, man. Or maybe it'll be parts of. Maybe about the second girl that he had Said sex with that also.

[Rory]

That also. You're an. That also opens up another lane or another direction for him to go where that might be some things that he changed, too. Because like you said, Cole specializes in vulnerability. And a very vulnerable thing happened to him in this entire. That entire battle. And beefing that. Whatever. That opened up a whole nother lane for him to create and talk about. And looking at the aftermath of this battle, what hip hop looks like now.

[Mal]

He can't do that. He can't talk about them.

[Josh]

Maul is underestimating how vulnerable and soft this new generation is.

[Mal]

No, no, no, no. I'm definitely not. I get it.

[Josh]

Eat up that vulnerability.

[Mal]

But I'm just saying. All right, let me just say for me, Jermaine Cole better not be on his album talking about anything about that battle.

[Rory]

But I'm not even talking about just the actual battle. I'm talking about it could be post battle, his journey, his. How he's dealing with the Internet and the things that they said.

[Mal]

He got post battle syndrome.

[Josh]

Yeah, he. Listen, man, sometimes you gotta take a mental health day.

[Mal]

You can't have post battle syndrome Sometimes.

[Josh]

At Dreamville Fest at the headlining scene, he got PBS.

[Mal]

Nah, don't. Don't tell me JCole got PBS. My. I don't want to hear that. Don't tell me JCole got PBS. He still be right there down the block playing ball one like he look like. He.

[Josh]

Fine.

[Mal]

I'm just saying. I just want to hear the album. Freddie, if he throwing shots, Freddy gonna find out how soft this generation is. If he throw a shot to Jake.

[Josh]

Boy, I think Freddy's aware.

[Mal]

Yeah, man, you gotta just. I just leave Cole alone, man. Just let him rap.

[Josh]

But, yeah, either way, Alfredo too, this Friday. Extremely excited. Congrats to Al and Freddie.

[Mal]

Absolutely looking forward to that one.

[Josh]

I can't wait to see that. They did a movie that they premiered in, I think LA on Saturday. I. I assume that comes out Friday with the album, but I'm looking forward to watching that, too. I think Freddie's personality is hilarious. So I hope they, like, focus on that for this whole movie. Movie. Because I think he's kind of un. Cancellable. His fans don't give a. Freddie.

[Mal]

Nah. He's. He's uncancelable. His. His fans. His fans like to.

[Josh]

They like.

[Mal]

They like the floor being canceled. They love that. Yeah.

[Josh]

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[Josh]

Before we get to voicemails, I just want to say rest in peace to Malcolm Jamal Warner. We don't have a lot of details because again, we found this out, like, right, we just started recording and saw this news. From my understanding, he did drown, but we didn't get very much after that, so rest in peace to him. Condolences to his family.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's. That's tough, man. This is piece of my childhood, man. You talk about, you know, Malcolm Jamal Warner, you know, the Cosby show, you know, some of our favorite sitcoms growing up. You know, Baby D hit me with that news. When I got off the elevator, I was like, wow. Like, that was just shocking to hear. So again, prayers to the family. Condolences to the family. Rest in peace to a huge part of my childhood, somebody that I watched every day growing up. He was definitely on the TV in my household. Rest in peace, Malcolm Jamal Warren Warner.

[Josh]

Sure. And yeah, every time we do the rest in peace, the energy that it brings is just tough for podcasting, but we do obviously have to mention it and, you know, celebrate his legacy.

[Mal]

We love Malcolm. No Warner. Rest in peace to him.

[Josh]

Yes.

[Mal]

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[Josh]

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[Mal]

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[Cliff]

Yo, it's your boy Cliff calling in from East Texas again, man. And I'm hearing y' all go back and forth about the UK versus US Rap battle, and I feel like we're leaving out a major, major proponent in all of this. What if the women decide they want to step into the arena? Who can rap against Little Sims? That's all I'm saying. I don't know too many niggas in the US who can keep up with Little Sims. She be in her bag, bag, big duffel. Hey, I believe Red, white and blue. Proud to be an American. All that. I don't know too many female rappers in the US that can keep up with Little Sims. I'm not saying that we don't have spitters on the female side in the US that can rap. I just don't know if it's to that extent, because you can't come in there talking about popping and shaking ass. I'm not saying that that's all they talk about. But I'm just saying if you come in there with that, she gonna shake your ass up on out of here. I don't know what I'm saying. So, man, what do y' all think, bro? Like, if the females decide they want to partake, who, Who. Where do we. Where do we side? And I feel like we may take the L in that, in that, in that, in that lane, but maybe y' all have a different opinion. Man, let me know something. Let a pie keep going, man.

[Mal]

All that.

[Josh]

Well, I was very proud of my non patriarchy, because I originally thought he was just saying if Lil Sims just enters the ring against male real US Rappers, I was like, yeah, they would have. As much as I think Joyner is an incredible rapper. He would have a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very tough time with Lil Sims. But I see this gentleman is just saying if the women rapper in the United States versus Sims, I don't think this needs to Be a gender thing. I think Sims would clean a lot of people up.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, she's incredible.

[Josh]

I think. I think she'd clean everyone up in the UK and the US Yeah.

[Mal]

And the little Sims is. She's dope. She's definitely one of my, my. One of my favorite new artists. You know, she's not that new.

[Josh]

She's new, but she's new relatively.

[Mal]

Yeah. But I don't know if we. I mean.

[Josh]

I mean, I hate that the US Women rap gets popping, but I also get that point of view. That is what is put in front of us the most. That's the highest volume of rappers and what their content is. But I mean, I don't. Do we have to be this podcast? Because we've said it a million times. There's so many amazing women rapper in the United States that don't just talk about pussy whatsoever.

[Mal]

I mean, listen, we could throw. I'll put Tierra Whack in there.

[Josh]

Tara would be with Lil Sims.

[Mal]

I like to see her and Lil Sims do something.

[Josh]

How would you feel about Very close friend of the show and let's pin women against each other. Other.

[Mal]

Yes. Favorite thing.

[Josh]

That's what we do here. And by the way, this is sponsored by Damaris. This was her idea. Rhapsody versus L. Sims.

[Mal]

Oh, okay, that's interesting. I'd show up to see that. I show up to see that.

[Josh]

They'd put. What. What's. What's the. That Swizz and Timberland sold there versus two Trilla. Oh, I. I'd pay. I'd pay for that app again.

[Rory]

He made it black.

[Mal]

I'll go see that.

[Josh]

Oh, it's Triller. He said Trilla TR in Manila. I didn't know what the it was.

[Mal]

That should have been the Trilla in Manila.

[Josh]

I. I would pay for. For that app. Top dollar to see Sims and rap go. Go back and forth.

[Mal]

I'm not mad at that. I definitely would watch that.

[Josh]

I mean, also from the show, Kelly would go.

[Mal]

That's Kaylee. Yeah, we got some. Listen, man, it's some. It's. It's still some, some, some. Some spitters over here on the women. They. They still push the pin. It's still. I know. You know, it's not popular and it's not what you hear on. On, you know, on the DSPs all the time, but it's definitely a bunch of spitters over here that I think can hold down against a Lil Sims.

[Josh]

I mean, honestly, we. We've been begging for them to collab and they've like sort of been teasing it. Dochi vs Lil Sims would be a matchup.

[Mal]

And somebody who I think is underrated as far as a rapper. Doji. Doja.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I mean, I think Doja Cat is super underrated as a rapper.

[Josh]

I would like to see Doja battle a man just because I think Doja Cat is a really mean person. And I mean that in a good way. Like, I think the way we think, like, leaving condoms in your baby seat was like, a lot. I think Doja would go insane on a man. Like, she would say some that would, like, really break down a male ego and destroy that person from the inside out.

[Mal]

Because that's how you have to destroy us.

[Josh]

Yeah. Like the way we talk about, like, when. How women argue. Sometimes we'll just throw like, certain in of like, that's why you're gonna end up like your dad. And it's just like, wow, that one sentence, really. But I think Doja would be so good in a battle towards a man in that exact way. But she. She got a lot of ammo on her, though. Racist chats. Yeah, but she.

[Mal]

But that's the thing.

[Josh]

More the tech guys you date.

[Mal]

Yeah, but that's the thing.

[Josh]

There's not ammo there. She ain't that squeaky.

[Mal]

You don't care about nothing. See, but that can't be used. That. That's why it can't be used as ammo. It's only used as ammo if somebody cares about that type of. Oh, he don't give a about that.

[Josh]

Actually, I forgot. Azealia vs Lil Sims. You want somebody. Somebody to be mean.

[Mal]

Somebody that would get very disrespectful. We're going to disrespect route. Yeah.

[Rory]

She's too easy of a target in a rap battle.

[Josh]

But see, that's. That's. That's where I think like eight miles. Like, what are you gonna say about me? Azealia owns every last thing that's ever been said bad about her. She's.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's. When it don't work.

[Josh]

She's on. She's on on Twitter. Owning Palestine. Like, she is there. Much like you can reveal about Azilia Banks.

[Mal]

Yeah, she don't.

[Josh]

She was sacrificing cats and like, she don't care.

[Rory]

I'm just here if you.

[Josh]

You dealing with somebody that does not. Not care.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

To people who bring up rap. People who do pussy. You can rap about your. And still have amazing, amazing entendres and bars about it. The reason. The reason why I. Because I know women speak because I. Exactly. When you guys bring that up, the reason why people rap around about their pussy is because that's what people support and that's what sells. It does not mean that they are incapable of rapping about other things. It means that if they want to continue to pay their bills and buy very expensive chains with their names on it and be talked about in the headlines, that's what they have to talk about. Because that's what people buy. Even though people complain about it 24 7. So let's stop making it seem like the people who rap about are not great MCs. They're doing what sells because sex is what sells.

[Mal]

No, who's complaining? Some of them are great mc.

[Rory]

Referring to the voicemail.

[Josh]

Okay, but. And then, then let me defend our Texas guy here. Yeah, I love pussy rap. Yeah, but we do know the difference, even if we can't define it between women that rap about their pussy and pussy rap rap. Cuz Missy Elliott is not a rapper.

[Mal]

She talk.

[Josh]

But her biggest hits is her rapping about her 100% like but we never put her in that category because she's so much more than that. I think what this gentleman is saying and other people that view rap is you are a one trick pony. That's literally all you talk about. Flo. Millie is not that. But there's a bunch of flow Millie records where she getting bars off about her box. But I don't consider her a. A rapper.

[Rory]

But see, because one of the I.

[Josh]

Don'T consider mega rapper. Even though a lot of people.

[Rory]

I was about to say because when he bought I'm like, that's one of the first people that came to my mind. But when I say that people like all she raps about is her. It's all the same thing. And I'm like, y' all don't listen to the albums because that's not all she raps about. But those are the songs that are going to go number one because that's what y' all want to see Meg twerk and talk about her. Y' all don't care about her talking about being depressed and all the other. Y' all don't care about that.

[Mal]

Yeah, we don't care about that type of baby. I ain't going to lie.

[Josh]

She made an incredible record. Saying she got depressed and we was just like nah.

[Rory]

She made that's such a Cobra is such an incredible record.

[Josh]

Happy again.

[Mal]

How can I help to make it happy?

[Josh]

Men are so awful. Yeah, that woman was. Was pouring her soul out.

[Mal]

Yo, dog, I saw Charleston White.

[Josh]

Anytime you start a sentence, yo, dog, this.

[Mal]

Yo, Charleston White is easily one of the craziest niggas ever. He said that. He was talking about the whole WNBA thing, and he was saying, like, man, a lot of these women ain't attractive. We don't want to see that. He said, yo, you get more Angel Reese's. You get more of these girls out there. He said, yeah, but he said, send them other ones to play for the military.

[Rory]

I'm not laughing.

[Josh]

Then he said, somebody that you can't kiss, like, he doesn't care.

[Charleston White]

It doesn't matter.

[Mal]

He said. He said, yeah, they told my they want to get paid, boy. He said, you know how you get paid? You got to lay on your back to get on your feet.

[Josh]

If there was ever a version of Toxic Poetry, he should get some bongos. Imagine. Imagine Charleston White at the Deaf Poetry Jam. Like, if they brought that back, dog.

[Mal]

I was crying watching that clip, man. Like, nobody thinks Charleston White is funny but me.

[Josh]

Charleston White to me is. If Chappelle went to Season four, like, he would have been a. Not him. Like, he would have.

[Mal]

Yo, how did Dave not snatch Charleston White up yet and, like, have him in a. In a movie or something? How that is a character 24 7.

[Josh]

Because even though he's not cancelable because he has, like, that fan base that don't exist, I'm saying, like, everything corporate that anyone's ever tried with him down to, like, even doing live shows with him get canceled immediately. Like, who he's trying to do pod. Like, he's trying to do live pods before they got canceled. He. Anytime there's some real corporate, like, what a movie would be, you can't have Charleston White your.

[Mal]

Yo, dog.

[Josh]

You just can't.

[Mal]

Like, though that is the funniest dude in the world, man. I'm sorry. I just think he's hilarious. I think the dude is funny.

[Josh]

Do you think. How do you think Josh would feel if you and I wanted to produce a Azealia Banks and Charleston White podcast? We're off Mike. We're just producing it, but it's under Josh's flag, too. Like, he's part of it. Yeah, it's. It's a new Rory and Mall thing, and, like, we have a whole new budget, so Josh coming on as a producer would compensate him for this new show. Do you think he'd be on board?

[Mal]

Yeah, I think Josh would be on board with that.

[Josh]

So his Twitter's been lying?

[Mal]

No, he would be on board. With that, though, because he know. He knows what that would do.

[Josh]

As toxic as us.

[Mal]

He know. He know what that would do. Do those two.

[Josh]

How long do you think it would last?

[Mal]

It's just one episode.

[Josh]

No, we're producing a show under our.

[Mal]

Yeah, I mean, I think we would have to just get one special. It had to be a Netflix special.

[Josh]

Of course, hypothetical, because we cannot afford either of them.

[Mal]

But that would be a special.

[Josh]

Grand opening. Grand closing.

[Mal]

Yeah, that would be a special.

[Josh]

I would give it three episodes. I think by the fourth one, it would go off the rails, and we. It would just probably be over, but. Because I think they would clash at that point.

[Mal]

That's all right. We got to produce the Clash. Produce the Clash, man. It's all good. We got to get out of this space of thinking that everything is n. We can't do it. Yes, you can, man. You could do. There's people doing worse than that every day. Trust me.

[Josh]

That would be the funniest show of all time.

[Mal]

Absolutely. I want to see that happen. I don't know how it happens, Josh, but, yeah, I want to see that happen, dog.

[Josh]

RSS feed would be what they do to Andrew Tate. Like, you. He can't even get Verizon WI fi in America. They would cut us off so quick. We'd be in the studio like, yo, is anyone else's Wi Fi not working?

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah, the 5G is down.

[Josh]

That would be hilarious. You said we had one more.

[Caller]

Yo, what's up, y'?

[Josh]

All?

[Caller]

Me and my shorty been together for about four years. We've been living together for, like, three. And, you know, everything is cool. Like, we vibe. Well, I love her to death. Like, we have a lot of fun together, but I feel like she wants me to be friends with her friends so bad, and I just don't rock with them like that, you know? And it's. It's no disrespect to any of them. Like, they. They cool peoples and all, but I just feel like we wouldn't even interact with each other if I wasn't her boyfriend, you know what I'm saying? Like. Like, I'm a nigga through and through. You feel me? Like, I grew up in a few different hoods around my city.

[Mal]

City.

[Caller]

And, you know, all of my friends or majority of my friends are black, you know, or they're minorities. You know what I'm saying? And she's a Latina, but she grew up in, like, a rural area, so it makes sense for her to have mostly white friends, you Know, but I don't know. I just have a hard time relating with them or just, like, trying to find common ground, common interest and shit. And I. I don't know. You know, like, sometimes I'll be wanting to tell her that I don't want to hang out with her friends just because of those reasons, but she don't. I don't think she can understand. So, like, how would you go about telling your. Your significant other that, you know, you just don't rock with their friends like that?

[Mal]

I mean, well, yeah, I'm. I'm. I'm the opposite. If I. If somebody is. Is completely different than I am. You know, if I have a girlfriend and her friends are completely different, I like that. Cause I feel like I could sit there and either laugh at the shit they into, or I might like shit that I never tried before. You might like, oh, this is what y' all be doing. Okay, let me try this, Let me try that. Like, and then you teach them about your culture and how you came up and things that you into. Like, if that's your girl, I think it's worth. Worth at least trying to have a relationship with her friends, no matter how different culturally they are.

[Josh]

You're saying worth. I feel like it's required. Like, if they were, like, weird, shitty people or, like, put you. They were bad people, put your girl in, like, bad situations or feel like they're, you know, don't have your girl's best interest at heart, and they're not, like, real friends, then that's separate. Yeah, but I think if for long term for your partner, you're. You're required to show face. And even if you have to throw on a little facade, small talk to get to know them, that it's part of the gig, I guess. Like, I. I know in my relationship, some of my friends are awful, and I've watched my partners do. Do their best. Not, like, awful, like, bad people. But, yeah, they're not the best.

[Mal]

They're not the best people to try to get.

[Josh]

Like, she'd be like, I'm cool. I don't want to hang out with them. Like, I. I get that. And still, like, you have to do that, but I'm with you. You 100%. Like, I think he should put a little more effort in to getting to know them. Like, it could.

[Mal]

Yeah, you might.

[Josh]

You have no idea how cool it could be to learn about other people that they was living in.

[Mal]

Like, trust me, you have no idea. That could be fun. Funny. You make great connections. One of her friends may be into some that you into, but you don't even know that because you didn't have that conversation. It's a whole. It's a whole whole thing, man. You got to be willing to be open and be willing to, you know, just learn about different people. And that could come from different areas than us. I mean, it's. That's part of life.

[Josh]

I mean, we. We talked. This was, I don't know, I think studio 71 days or maybe even serious of Kia being the first girl that I dated that didn't grow up with the exact same interests that I grew up, was the first girl that I seriously dated that, like, we definitely have different childhoods, for sure. Like, what you were into and what I was into is drastically different. Her and her friend group, it was so cool to learn about this shit. They had me at Rufus Du Sole concerts. I was popping Molly. It was incred. Like, it's. It's just a cooler experience when you're. I spent my whole life around people with the same exact interests, some of the same stories. Like, it's nice to not have that for a while.

[Mal]

Go out there and meet some different people, man. You need that. You need an array of different people, different friends that come from different cultures. That's one of the most beautiful things to me about growing up in New York City is that that you're so close in proximity to so many different people in different cultures. I don't know how people grow up and be like, yeah, n. I never. I never had white friends. I never. I'm like, what?

[Josh]

But even, like, even a lot of my.

[Mal]

That's crazy to me.

[Josh]

Even my white friends also had similar interests as me as well, though.

[Rory]

But even if Rory, the white friend. Rory is the white friend.

[Josh]

Sorry, no. But my white friend, like, yeah, we all had very similar interests growing up. And even, you know, like, people I met post 19, 20 years old, like, Peach and I, even though we have different interests, we have same interest in a lot of things as well, both races. But, I mean, some of Kia's friends. The amount of times I've used the Shazam app around Kia and her friends is the most I've ever used app. Like, they put me on a music I've never heard. Like, I enjoy that type of. I think he needs to give that more of a chance.

[Mal]

I just don't know, like, looking at it. Like, what could my girlfriend's friends, if they're all white, what could they be into besides drugs that I would be like, I'M sorry. No, I'm just saying that I would be like, yo, nah, I'm not doing that. You know what I'm saying? The music they listen to, I don't.

[Rory]

Think from his call, I don't think it's what they're into. I think it's that he thinks that they're annoying. And he's not really saying that. I think he thinks they're annoying.

[Mal]

Well, they're annoying because they don't know each other. And he's like, but he's not willing to be open and vulnerable enough to get to know her friends. But once you sit down and start kicking it, you might be like, yo, nah, homie, he kind of cool. Like, you know what I mean? Little wild, but you know what I'm saying? But he cool. You just gotta get to just have conversations with people, man. And then from that, if you be like, yeah, nah, homie is he's into some other shit. Like, I can't. Then cool. But you can't not like your girl's friends or be annoyed by your friends if you never took the opportunity to try to get to know them.

[Josh]

So Saturday during the day, one of my friends from high school stopped by my crib with his girl, and they were going to a country show at MetLife. And I was like, you're going to a country show? And he's like, yo, she put me on Zach, Byron, Brian. Which is so crazy that somebody could sell out MetLife for. For three days in a row. And like, you just not know. That's how crazy genres are in worlds. How do I. I'd never heard this person that sold out MetLife three days in a fucking room, right? We were playing that music the entire day. I was like, this guy's amazing. He was like, yo, when we first started dating, she played this all the time. And I was like, yo, what's this? And now he's. Which I never even knew he liked country music. Is the biggest fan of him now.

[Mal]

Now he's buying Zach merch going to MetLife.

[Josh]

Like, they planning a day out of it doing din.

[Mal]

What I'm saying be surprised the that.

[Josh]

You think you don't like until somebody.

[Mal]

From a different world at the you think you don't like. Yeah, it turns out to be the that you love.

[Josh]

So. And. And I mean, not that I dislike country. It's like alternative country. But when they started playing stuff at my crib before they went to the show, I was like, this is fire. This guy's nice.

[Mal]

He was like, Y got extra ticket.

[Josh]

He gave me Leon Bridges, but a little bit white fighter, but okay.

[Mal]

All right.

[Josh]

Yeah. And I was. It was really good music.

[Mal]

Yeah. See you never.

[Josh]

Which I'm sure to say, because he sold out Metlife. Like, I'm not. There's this guy. Yo, let me put y'. All.

[Mal]

Yeah, you're late to this guy. He just sold out Midlife three nights in a row. You're late.

[Josh]

But no, he was dope. And I don't know. I just think it's better, especially when you get older, to go outside your comfort zone, get into different man, meet other people.

[Mal]

So listen, man, my friend. My. My friend circle has changed over the years so drastically. Oh, my God. It's fun, though. Learn different people. Learn different cultures, man. Like, you know. You know y' all gonna be talking about the same all day, every day. Nah, man. Meet. Get out. Meet different people from different places that are into different shit. Yeah, you'll be surprised.

[Josh]

And I like it because, you know, it's been my man since high school. He doesn't need to tell me a Lloyd Banks mixtape dropped. I know already, right? Put me on to something.

[Mal]

Put me on to Zack, man. This selling out MetLife put me on to something. We not there.

[Josh]

Everything my friends could teach me. Now I know already.

[Mal]

Right? Right. So, yeah, just learn different, man. Force yourself to learn something different.

[Josh]

But, you know, with that said, maybe he's just racist.

[Rory]

He could be a. Nothing wrong with it.

[Mal]

I didn't think about that. Or racist.

[Josh]

She's from a rural place. Maybe they're racist. Maybe his girl is one of the good ones when it comes to Latinas.

[Mal]

Yeah. But even again, y' all know I'm different. If I feel like my girl's friends are racist, I'm definitely going to the party. I'm definitely going. Are you kidding me?

[Josh]

You're gonna tap there.

[Mal]

I'm going in there with all the stereotype. Big jewelry. I'm going in there. Big drip.

[Josh]

Like all the stereotypes they think of. Yeah, man.

[Mal]

I'm going in there with all kind of. Are you kidding me? That's. That's the fun part. Like, yeah, I think that's what I am. That's what I'm gonna show up bad.

[Josh]

Yeah. And show up that way. And then ask at the bar if you can play, like, pay with ebt.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Like, just every stereotype, they probably think, just go for it.

[Mal]

Food stamps. Take it out like your hair is for the food. Don't worry about it.

[Josh]

I know you haven't been poor In a long time, you know those don't exist, right?

[Mal]

Food stamps. Yeah.

[Josh]

It's like a.

[Mal]

It's a car. Yeah.

[Josh]

But I was like, damn, I gotta.

[Mal]

Find some food stamp to everybody. Like, what is that?

[Josh]

And they're probably young, so they don't even know what. Like, real, man. They probably don't know what a stamp is.

[Mal]

Exactly, Exactly. Exactly. But have fun, man. Get to know your girl's friends. It's all good.

[Josh]

And if.

[Rory]

I mean, you ain't got to be. Tell her. Tell her you don't like talking to women that ain't her. You don't got to be their best friends.

[Josh]

No.

[Rory]

If you don't.

[Josh]

If he don't like them, if they're good people and treat your partner in a great way, circle.

[Mal]

This is her.

[Rory]

Like, that's fine. But if he don't. If he doesn't. You can be nice and you can be kind, but people can always tell when you're being forced to be their friend. You don't have to be there for himself.

[Josh]

Go on a grand trip with them.

[Rory]

But that's what she wants. She wants him to be. Be like gang. And he don't want that.

[Mal]

She want him to dress up like all the other boyfriends on vacation.

[Rory]

Yeah, like, he don't want that.

[Mal]

Like, he not jacking that at all. Yeah. No, I'm not doing that.

[Rory]

Rory, you would do it. Rory would do it if he liked the girl.

[Mal]

If I go to the lobby. If I go. If I go with my girl on the trip and it's all couples, and I go to the lobby and.

[Rory]

Got your other.

[Mal]

Got the same. I got on.

[Rory]

Got your gospy hoodie on.

[Mal]

Don't we fight waiting. Don't. Don't play with me. Like, don't set me up with that. That stupid. Don't do that. And then anybody recording so we can go on Tick Tock. No, don't play with me. I don't want to be on tick.

[Rory]

That's young boy, though.

[Josh]

You. You too old.

[Mal]

I've seen a. What are you talking about? I've seen grown ass open.

[Rory]

Really?

[Mal]

Yeah, absolutely. Don't play with me like that. Don't do that. Don't do that. That. I think, because you would. You would. Women wouldn't like that. Y'. All. You know, y' all hate when y' all show up and got the same on another. Another.

[Rory]

I think it would be cute for the Tick Tock, but I'm gonna go upstairs and change.

[Mal]

Change.

[Rory]

But it would be cute for the Tick Tock. Oh my God. So funny. Content. But I will go change.

[Josh]

Also. Those aren't my friends.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Like if you and all your girls want to match, I don't think there's anything wrong with that. That's cute.

[Mal]

Yeah. If y' all want to match, cool. But if y' all show up and y' all matching and didn't know, it's gonna be an argument. Y' all gonna be mad at your boyfriend.

[Josh]

A group of male for even though it's not my thing. If some friends want to go on a guy's trip and match for the bachelor party.

[Mal]

Cool.

[Josh]

Whatever. That's my girls friends. Boyfriends are not my friends. We're not.

[Rory]

But a lot.

[Josh]

I think a lot of times we're not matching.

[Rory]

A lot of times out of those group trips, the one that I've seen they are for the guys are friends too. It's kind of like on some why did I get married type.

[Mal]

Yeah. Like they know.

[Josh]

Oh, eventually. Yeah. Usually with that. Because there's been some time and you guys have done enough.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Together.

[Rory]

But have y' all ever wanted like I kind of want that in my relationship, like to be friends with other couples. But. But I don't know. I don't know how I feel.

[Mal]

You don't want to be friends with other couples.

[Rory]

Why not?

[Mal]

You don't to marry.

[Rory]

Why not?

[Mal]

Cuz I. I'm. I just know you. You don't want to be friends with other couples.

[Josh]

So are you. Are you more scared of it working out long term or the breakup in that situation?

[Rory]

I'm not really afraid of the breakup. Cuz I love cut the off. I don't give. I unfriend everyone's friends.

[Josh]

It could get so you un what?

[Rory]

I unfriend people fast as.

[Mal]

Oh, I thought you said you unfuck. I'm about say how you do that too.

[Josh]

She told us that. Doesn't the vagina change every seven days or some shit?

[Rory]

Seven? Yeah, seven. Well, you seven years. You get all new cells every seven years. You're not the same person you were seven years ago.

[Mal]

Okay. I'm not going to argue with science.

[Josh]

Yeah, my dick cells do the same thing.

[Rory]

Yeah, exactly.

[Josh]

Every day.

[Rory]

But no, I don't know. I feel like that. I always just felt like that was so cool. Like, oh, we all go to Aspen one year and we all. And then like, I know me and mine, we going to talk about all the other couples. Like we going like mad cute in their face. And then like the moment we get to the hotel room and close the door. We talking.

[Josh]

I mean, it's helpful.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah. Oh, no. Me and mine. Me and.

[Rory]

Me and mine talk about people bad. We talk about people.

[Mal]

Oh, my God. You one of those couples talk about people bad.

[Rory]

That's the best thing is about being a relationship is talking with your partner. Talking and being racist with your partner. Top ten.

[Mal]

Yeah, I'll be. I'll be crazy racist.

[Josh]

Yeah, words.

[Mal]

Yo, like, but what's up with your racist, though? Like, like, nah, it's. Cause you my guy. So, like, just. But let me. I know you're not racist.

[Rory]

You know, Rory, you know, Rory, what's.

[Mal]

The thoughts when you be in the bed at night, like, after a long day of just dealing with the blacks? Rory, like, what's your. Like, your racist thought? Like, oh, they're so loud. Like, what is it? Like, what's your like? Damn, that could have been a racist thought.

[Rory]

You know, he getting to bed with his partner every night and be like, marlon Damaris was late again.

[Josh]

Well, that's a fact.

[Rory]

CPT time.

[Mal]

But, like, what's your like, cpt.

[Josh]

But I say that to both of you guys.

[Mal]

But what's your like, Damn, that could have been a racist thought.

[Josh]

Okay, so the two longest relationships I've had. One was with somebody that's first generation West Indian.

[Mal]

Yep.

[Josh]

And West Indians, specifically Ghanaians. They might as well.

[Mal]

They're racist.

[Josh]

Be the way, like, Nigerians look at black Americans.

[Mal]

They're racist.

[Josh]

So most of that relationship was trying not to laugh.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Josh]

Okay. I would hear so many guys. People say about black people. I'm like, oh, my God. Just. Just please don't put me on. On the Internet when y' all are saying this with Kia, which I don't mind saying because we. We joked about it for a while because, you know, Kia did grow up, even though she grew up in Manhattan, that exposed. At least she went to school in the Upper east side. Like, she grew up around a lot of white people.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Josh]

As well. Where I started to feel racist was me explaining black shit to. To a black woman.

[Mal]

Right.

[Josh]

Was the most racist things I was doing.

[Mal]

I can see how that's like, just. That's just. Wow.

[Josh]

So it's been different forms of awkward racism because when I start breaking down Takiha, I sound racist. But you asked me a question.

[Mal]

Right.

[Josh]

So it sounds like I'm speaking for.

[Mal]

Black people about black cultures. Yeah. Okay. I can see how that's a long call.

[Josh]

It's pretty much like, save the last dance reversed.

[Mal]

I'm Derek, like, right, I get it. Okay. That's just.

[Josh]

I took her to a cafeteria, taught her how to do this.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah.

[Josh]

You know.

[Mal]

Yo, racism is so crazy. When you just think about racism, it's the craziest. Racism is so crazy.

[Rory]

As long as it's not like structural or like institutional.

[Mal]

Yeah, as long as you ain't stopping people from advancing.

[Rory]

Like you not stop, but just in.

[Mal]

Partners, cuz, I ain't going to lie. And we could close after this. But like one of the most racist things I do is with like mid traffic. If somebody do some dumb on the.

[Rory]

Road, please don't call.

[Mal]

I'm like, like. It's a game I play with myself. Like, once I get to see the drive, I'm like, I knew it. I knew it. Like, who else would it be? Who else would it be behind the wheel? All right, man. All right. We done. We done.

[Josh]

Shane Gillis put that perfectly. He said racism is like hunger. Sometimes you're not hungry until a cheeseburger cuts you off in traffic. Like you weren't hungry at the time.

[Mal]

Yeah, but now I'm gonna have a cheeseburger.

[Josh]

But now. Now I'm hungry. All right, man.

[Mal]

We talk to y' all in a couple days. Be safe, be blessed. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. Be. Ah, come on.

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