Episode 400 | Humiliation Ritual

Summary

New Rory & MAL – Episode 400 | "Humiliation Ritual" – August 26, 2025

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Episode Overview

In their milestone 400th core episode, Rory and Mal celebrate the podcast's longevity with playful banter, hot takes on industry headlines, and sharp cultural commentary. Damaris checks in remotely from vacation, adding her energy to the special occasion. The crew discusses personal anecdotes, Lil Nas X headlines, industry “humiliation rituals,” hip-hop’s evolution, artist press cycles, blackmail culture, and audience engagement. Laughter and irreverence are woven throughout, with recurring focus on authenticity, industry narratives, and who gets to critique whom.

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Major Topics & Key Discussions

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400th Episode Reflections & Banter

Timestamp: 10:00 – 16:25

• Milestone Celebration: The hosts acknowledge their 400th episode, joke about haters, and give flowers to their production team and fans.
  • Mal: "They thought that we would never see it. They thought that we would never be here. I don't know who they are, but I'm sure some of them are out there." (10:23)
• Damaris Absent, Checks in from Vacation: Damaris is on vacation in Curaçao; her beachside check-in later in the episode becomes a running joke about her retirement, “soft life,” and being on permanent vacation.
  • Mal: "She realized she don't got to work no more, man." (88:42)
• Fatherhood & Family Talk: Rory and Mal exchange stories about parenting, the weirdness of fans seeing Rory as a “real” dad, and kids quickly growing up.
  • Rory: “After you've watched somebody for 10 years…hasn't connected in my head there'd be, like, a carbon copy.” (04:11)
• Kids & Gifts: Mal shares the “Uncle Tax” — knowing when his nephew is calling just to ask for money.
  • Mal: "Now I get right to it. Like, what's up? What you want? Cause you're not gonna trick me with this..." (06:12)

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DJ Khaled Contract Mix-up

Timestamp: 10:47 – 16:26

• Contract Confusion: Rory receives a mysterious $1 offer for a DJ Khaled record—uncertain if he’s actually on the album, with Khaled’s camp apparently confusing him with another “Rory” in the industry.
  • Rory: “I may or may not be on the DJ Khaled album." (12:35)
  • Mal: "Is it another Rory?" (12:27)
• Music Biz Miscues: Rory recounts years of being sent unreleased West Coast music intended for another industry Rory.
  • Rory: “I have a vault full of west coast music unreleased, because they thought they were sending it to a different Rory.” (13:13)
• Royalty Humor: They joke about splitting a $1 royalty among lawyers and management, and about a North Hollywood bar that gives a free beer for royalty checks under a dollar.
  • Rory: "I want to negotiate to at least $2." (13:34)

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Lil Nas X, Public 'Humiliation Rituals', & Industry Theories

Timestamp: 16:27 – 24:31

• Viral Moment and Its Aftermath: Lil Nas X’s recent erratic, naked arrest leads to speculation if it’s a real crisis or an industry stunt (so-called “humiliation rituals”).
  • Mal: “If he puts out a record and that record…goes to the top of the charts, then we're gonna have to have another conversation about humiliation rituals…” (17:32)
  • Rory: “You know what you'd have to do to Lil Nas X for a humiliation ritual?…You actually have to dress him up and make him a Christian.” (17:58)
  • Mal: “You got to get him cleaned up, to really humiliate him.” (18:07)
• Empathy vs. Cynicism: While cracking jokes about industry conspiracies, both hosts express empathy for artists who crash after immense early success.
  • Rory: "I do have empathy for people that go into that level of fame and then just completely fucking drop.” (18:55)
• Public Meltdown Hypotheticals: The hosts riff about how they’d like their own public breakdowns to unfold, with Rory insisting he’d rather be high for the embarrassment.
  • Mal: “How would I want my damn—I don't want a public meltdown.” (21:02)

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Parenting, Race, and Live Show Antics

Timestamp: 03:54 – 09:49

• Blurred Boundaries: Rory jokes about coddling his daughter too much, debating “tough love” through playful abandonment.
  • Rory: “I think she's getting a little too coddled. Like, I might need to abandon her for a little bit.” (04:28)
• Live Show Audience: They poke fun at their live show audience’s demographics, playfully arguing about who draws the white hip-hop fans.
  • Mal: “Yeah, we have a huge—a huge white fan. Thank you to all our white fan base. Thank you, Rory, because I'm sure they're here for you.” (08:46)
  • Rory: "White hip hop fans would only be here for you." (08:53)

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Industry Press Runs & The Artist-Media Dance

Timestamp: 25:04 – 38:44, 56:37 – 78:57

• Khaled & Legacy Collaborations: Discussion on whether DJ Khaled can repeatedly land “moments” with legacy acts like Jay-Z and Rihanna, as the industry focus and audience tastes shift.
  • Mal: “The music industry is—it's a dying thing. What is the music industry?” (29:39)
  • Rory: “That was the beauty of the Khaled album...plenty of things I do want to say that I don't address unless I'm putting music out.” (31:22)
• Artist Inspiration: The crew notes that established artists (Jay-Z, Rihanna) only participate if inspired, not for commercial or demographic reasons.
  • Mal: “Rihanna is...on top of the beauty world right now. Billion dollar industry. She doesn’t—music to her, it has to either inspire...” (30:29)
• Demographics & Culture Consumption: They explore the tension between catering to a younger audience and serving a dedicated core fanbase—and how hip-hop is now multi-generational.
  • Rory: “Why would Nas put out six projects with Hitboy? Like, who cares what the younger generation...I'm feeding my audience and showing hip hop...how it's aging.” (35:09)

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Critiquing Women in Hip-Hop, Podcasting Ethics, and Cultural Gatekeeping

Timestamp: 46:28 – 55:33

• Reviewing Female Rap: Mal expresses reluctance to critique women MCs because the music “ain’t for him”—debates about who has the right to comment and what it means to “move the needle.”
  • Mal: “I want all of them to keep talking they shit and looking good...but it's not fair for me to speak on their music because they're not making...these records for me." (46:38)
  • Rory: “It’s made for the masses, so the masses can comment…” (49:17)
• Honesty vs. Negativity in Podcasting: Both hosts wrestle with the expectation to tear down or cheerlead artists, and the emotional toll of industry commentary.
  • Rory: "Even artists that I do really like—and sometimes their music isn’t the best—I don’t want to come in here and shit on it.” (52:44)
  • Mal: “Art is not personal to the artist.” (53:55)

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Audience, Gossip Culture & “Blackmail”

Timestamp: 101:02 – 117:17

• Voicemail: Sex Tape Blackmail: A listener asks about coworkers keeping explicit videos for “blackmail.” The hosts universally condemn it as “over the line,” drawing the boundary at intimate footage versus clowning someone for fighting badly.
  • Rory: “I think anything with people having sex is way over the line. I think the revenge porn thing is corny.” (102:19)
  • Mal: “She got that conniving, you know, blackmail energy, blackmail spirit inside of her.” (109:55)
• Men Showing Sex Tapes to Women: Mal theorizes men who show sex tapes unsolicited to coworkers are likely overcompensating, maybe even questioning their own sexuality.
  • Mal: "I think they're gay." (108:07)
• Gossip & Virality Ethics: Conversation around the culture of “outing” people for clout, versus legacy gossip media’s legitimacy (TMZ, Jason Lee, Shade Room).
  • Rory: “I just don’t understand with, like, blackmail to that level...doesn't blackmail really work because of public perception?” (110:07)
  • Mal: “Nasty expectations. That's what it is.” (116:41)

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Artist Interviews, Drake Media Moves, and the Meaning of “Closing Ranks”

Timestamp: 56:37 – 78:57

• Drake & Bobby Althoff: Dissection of Drake returning for a Bobby Althoff podcast interview post-controversy, speculation about investment motives, and the “culture” vs. “streamers” press run debate.
  • Rory: “If Drake sat with Rob Markman, I'd be ecstatic...I just want the Drake interview that answers the questions I have as a fan at the moment.” (63:28)
• Big-Name Artists Avoiding Hip-Hop Media: Mal and Rory consider reasons for artists like Drake “closing ranks,” insulating themselves post-beefs, and how public perception of “unbothered” vs. “salty” is weaponized by fans.
  • Mal: “People are taking it—oh, it's just hip-hop, it's just rap, it's entertainment...But you're not the person standing there that has to watch people support a message about you." (75:33)
• Interview “Dream Guests”: Playful theorizing about the ideal Drake or Kendrick Lamar interview and who would be the best interviewer.

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Listener Voicemails & “Which Cameo Would You Choose?”

Timestamp: 117:46 – 124:00

• Which Pop Culture Cameo?: Listener asks if they’d rather have a GTA radio station, be in a Def Jam video game, or make an audio cameo in a Spider-Man movie. The hosts debate the lasting impact and personal meaning of each.
  • Mal: “GTA radio station on GTA—more people play that game...than are gonna go watch a Spider-Man movie.” (120:31)
  • Rory: “I just want to be, like, in a video game. I think that’d be cool.” (122:55)

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New Music & Hip-Hop Aged to Perfection

Timestamp: 124:12 – 129:19

• Music Recommendations: Shout-outs to Ghostface’s Supreme Clientele 2 ("Great project...older acts are putting out better albums"), Offset’s new solo album ("Best yet"), Chance the Rapper, and Bryson Tiller.
  • Mal: “They say hip hop is a young man’s sport, but it seems like all the older acts are putting out better albums.” (124:14)
• Mariah the Scientist’s Pen Game: Rory hypes Mariah as a top-10 pen in R&B right now.
  • Rory: “No matter what happens with Mariah’s career…she has that type of pen.” (126:21)
• Jadakiss & Beanie Sigel Announce Joint Album: Excitement and hopes that Beanie can use AI to restore his original vocal tone on the project.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |---|---|---| | 10:23 | Mal | "They thought that we would never see it. They thought that we would never be here. I don't know who they are, but I'm sure some of them are out there." | | 17:32 | Mal | "If he puts out a record...then we're gonna have to have another conversation about humiliation rituals..." | | 18:55 | Rory | "I do have empathy for people that go into that level of fame and then just completely fucking drop." | | 46:38 | Mal | "I want all of them to keep talking they shit and looking good...but it's not fair for me to speak on their music because they're not making...these records for me." | | 52:44 | Rory | "Even artists that I do really like—and sometimes their music isn’t the best—I don’t want to come in here and shit on it." | | 75:33 | Mal | "People are taking it—oh, it's just hip-hop, it's just rap, it's entertainment...But you're not the person standing there that has to watch people support a message about you." | | 102:19 | Rory | "I think anything with people having sex is way over the line. I think the revenge porn thing is corny." | | 116:41 | Mal | "Nasty expectations. That's what it is." | | 124:14 | Mal | "They say hip hop is a young man’s sport, but it seems like all the older acts are putting out better albums." |

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Memorable & Lighthearted Moments

• Mal teases Rory about being an over-coddling dad, suggesting he needs to "disappear" behind the playground slide for character-building. (04:35)
• Damaris falls into an "invisible" infinity pool on vacation; Rory claims he air-dropped the clip to multiple clouds. (94:01–95:14)
• The recurring joke about the mysterious “other Rory” in the music business, and both of them getting wrongfully credited or sent music.
• Rory wishing for a partner to “retire him,” imagining life as a house-husband Zooming in from the islands. (100:14)
• The satirical concept of “soft life” and vacation Damaris’ “retirement energy.” (88:42–100:38)
• Both reflect on how they’d like their hypothetical public scandal to be—Rory wants an open-ended “YouTube Illuminati” meltdown. (23:32)

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Episode Structure

1. Personal Updates and Celebration
2. Current Events: Lil Nas X, Industry Rituals
3. Music Industry Anecdotes & Press Runs
4. Women in Hip-Hop, Criticism, & Podcasting Ethics
5. Listener Questions: Sex Tape Blackmail & Pop Culture Cameo
6. New Music & Legacy Album Shout-outs
7. Closing with Damaris’ Vacation Check-in

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Overall Tone

Conversational, irreverent, introspective, and self-aware, with the trademark New Rory & MAL blend of humor, hot takes, and industry insider observations. The crew mixes nostalgia and cynicism, aiming for honesty but never at the expense of empathy or real-life bonds.

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For listeners who missed it:
Expect laughs, real talk about fame, the oddities of the music industry, media gamesmanship, and a smart blend of culture, critique, and camaraderie.

Transcript

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[Colin Coward]

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[Rory]

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[Mal]

No worry now.

[Rory]

Welcome back. Happy top of the week or whenever you are listening to this episode. We're back, sponsored by Boost. Good afternoon, Ma. How you feeling?

[Mal]

I'm great. How you doing, man?

[Rory]

I'm good. I'm good, you know.

[Mal]

Got a. Got a good surprise walking today. Saw Mara.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Haven't seen her in so long. Oh, my gosh. She's so big. She's like having full conversations.

[Rory]

Yep.

[Mal]

I'm praying for you, man.

[Rory]

Attitude, opinions.

[Mal]

Yo, it's so funny seeing you go like into like, daddy mode. Like, who made you a Like, who trusted you with a kid, bro?

[Rory]

Like, I don't trust myself. I lost her in the ball pit in the American Dream yesterday.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

She was gonna drown.

[Mal]

She's got so big, man. It was good seeing him.

[Rory]

Yeah, no, it was good to have her in the office for a little bit, but, yeah, I just did. Just did it did an amara weekend.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You know, playground swimming, went to American Dream. Overpriced, but, you know, typical. Typical New Jersey dad type weekend.

[Mal]

Typical.

[Rory]

Okay, more or less. But really wasn't much.

[Mal]

Yeah, I did. I walked. It's like. It's like a. A park not too far from where I live at. It's like. And they have like, a whole trail where you can run, ride bikes. So I just walked out listening to new music on a Saturday, because since it was nice out. Yeah, that's all I did. I ain't really going nowhere. I went uptown, went to Harlem. It's still like.

[Rory]

Did you tell them that I sent you?

[Mal]

No, I didn't, but a few people saw me. They was like, yo, tell Rory what's up. I was like, I will do. So it's like, I told you, we like red and meth, bro. We can't. I can't be nowhere without you. You can't be nowhere without me.

[Rory]

Yo, what's more. What's more? Doing. I don't know.

[Mal]

I have no idea. They actually. Yo, what's up with Rory? He's chilling, I guess.

[Rory]

At least they call you by your dear proper name.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

What's Rory up to? I'm right here. Shit is insane. But it's funny, you did bring up Amara and it being funny that I'm a dad, because I was at the playground in Jersey City on. Was it Friday or Saturday, and. And a POD fan came up, was like, yo, you really like a dad?

[Mal]

Yeah. Like in real life?

[Rory]

Yeah. Cause I guess it just looked weird after you've watched somebody for 10 years. Like, oh, shit. Hasn't connected in my head that there'd be, like, a carbon copy.

[Mal]

Yeah. Like, you really do this, dad.

[Rory]

Like, you be with your kid.

[Mal]

Like you're present in your child's life. Like, for real.

[Rory]

Like, I think a little too present.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I think she's getting a little too coddled. Like, I might need to abandon her for a little bit.

[Mal]

Yeah. Give her some character. You know what I'm saying? Let her just feel a little bit what it feels like to be abandoned a little bit.

[Rory]

Yeah. No, every now and then, like, if we're not playing hide and seek. I'll just, like, disappear behind a slide.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Just to see what she do.

[Mal]

Yeah, see, like, just to see where she survives.

[Rory]

I'm serious.

[Mal]

Yeah. What does she do? Like, if you. If you have. She looks around.

[Rory]

No, she looks around, like, with a face of concern, and then she just starts searching.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

But, yeah, then I try to teach her, like, all right, go. Where'd we park? Go to the car. And, like, of course I'm watching her and I could run, but, yeah, she's at. I mean, two and a half, but she's still at that age that she's consciously aware. Like, she gotta learn shit.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Mine is a sponge.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You know, I can't just keep playing fucking DMX in the car for her. I gotta, like, give her some real life skills.

[Mal]

It's so interesting to see kids get bigger, man. My nephew is like. I think he's nine now.

[Rory]

I saw his, I think. Was today the first. First day of school?

[Mal]

Fit.

[Rory]

I commented on your sister's post.

[Mal]

This is. This.

[Rory]

He had that shit on.

[Mal]

This is the second. Second week back.

[Rory]

He was Minnie Maul for sure going into school.

[Mal]

This is the second week back. But it's just funny, like. Like, calling him now. Like, when I FaceTime him and stuff. It's like he got like, his own little, I guess, like, thing going on now. Like, he just want to be, like, by himself in his room on his phone. And it's funny. Cause I'm like, damn. Like, yo, I haven't spoken to you in a couple days. What's up, man? Like, where's the love? And he just like, oh, you know.

[Rory]

I'm just chilling what you did today.

[Mal]

I'm all excited to talk to him. What you did today? Nah, I forgot. Like, you did that much stuff today. Like, he don't even want to kick it no more.

[Rory]

Yeah, but, like, once kids get, like, real friends, not just friends that go to the same school or live in the same building, like, friends for real. They're not. They're not interested.

[Mal]

Nah. Like, yeah, I'm just.

[Rory]

When they need something.

[Mal]

Oh, he'll be super interested. Oh, no, no, no. Listen, listen.

[Rory]

How's your day?

[Mal]

Listen. It's so funny.

[Rory]

How's the pod going, yo?

[Mal]

It's so funny, man, that you say that, because anytime he called me with a certain energy, like, he's hype, and you know what I'm saying, he jumping around in his room. I'm like, here he come, man. Here. It kind of never fails. Like, I'm like, what's up, man? Now I get right to it. Like, what's up? What you want? Cause you're not gonna trick me with this. Hey, Uncle Mal, how you feeling? Nah, no, no, no. What's up, man? How much you want? Because I know it's some money. You about to ask for some money.

[Rory]

But that's not a kid thing, though. Adults don't grow out of that either.

[Mal]

No, no, no.

[Rory]

It's just funny when somebody needs something.

[Mal]

Oh, absolutely.

[Rory]

Let's cut. Let's. This time in half.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's what I'm getting.

[Rory]

You need.

[Mal]

What do you need? Like, what do you want? What did you see? What you want your mom to order that? I got to send her the money for it. Like, don't gotta give me all of this. How's your day? Like, just tell me what's up. But he's a good kid, so it's all good.

[Rory]

Yeah, I got invited to this, like, ESPN launch it on. On Friday, and I was like, oh, I got, you know, my daughter tonight, and too late to try to find a babysitter. And they're like, no, it's kid friendly. I hopped on Instagram and saw the fucking clips in there. Screaming diamonds look like pee pee with the loudest 808 I've ever heard. I was like, yo, people just want to set you up for your children to be, like, traumatized. Yeah, like, why would you think that this event was kid friendly?

[Mal]

That's crazy, man. Gotta know where to take. But you took.

[Rory]

They had Webster hall type speakers in, like, a venue the size of this.

[Mal]

But, no, but don't do that, because you had Amara at his concert with the big headphones on when she was three weeks old.

[Rory]

Yeah, but again, she had big headphones on and she was this big and was asleep in her stroller with the sound machine with the stroller thing that went over.

[Mal]

So it's the. The young lady that brought her baby to the show in D.C. she's still. No, no. I don't know if that's wilder than you taking tomorrow for a concert.

[Rory]

It was a joy show, though.

[Mal]

Nah, man, it's very.

[Rory]

It's soft R B.

[Mal]

It's much louder than our live shows.

[Rory]

I don't know, man.

[Mal]

What you mean you don't know?

[Rory]

We don't have a lot of music.

[Mal]

Banging at our shows when we walk out, like, Keith, Keith. Y. That's. And that's it. And it's us talking. You had a three week old Amara at a show with headphones on so that it could Cancel out the noise. I mean, nobody at Aurora Live Podcast needs headphones to cancel out the noise. Maybe cancel us out one day holding a young genius.

[Rory]

But in that very same venue, the next year, a fight broke out.

[Mal]

That is true.

[Rory]

Can you imagine holding a baby when that fight broke out?

[Mal]

Yeah, but that wasn't really a fight. That was just a little like, get him out of here.

[Rory]

Yeah, but chairs were moved, patrons were moved. That was. If you had a child. That was. But you were breastfeeding, your titty would be out and you'd be holding your baby like, yo, what the fuck?

[Mal]

Yeah, but that's. That's just. You know, when you bring black people together, chairs gotta be able to move. You can't have too many bolted chairs. When black people around, we need the chairs to either defend ourselves.

[Rory]

We got a huge white audience.

[Mal]

Yeah, we have a huge. A huge white fan. Thank you to all our white fan base. Thank you, Rory, because I'm sure they're here for you.

[Rory]

No, no, no, no. White. White hip hop fans would only be here for you.

[Mal]

That's a fact. But.

[Rory]

And we don't know there, like we were talking about, we. We weren't sure if John B. Was white or not. A lot of our white fans are the ones where if you wear the right fitted cap.

[Mal]

We're not saying we didn't know if John B. Was white.

[Rory]

No, I said he's white.

[Mal]

PE didn't know if John B.

[Rory]

Was white, but there's.

[Mal]

I knew he was a white.

[Rory]

There's certain white people, if you get the right haircut, you can look a little bit Puerto Rican. And I think a. Especially our New York white fans, if they have on a fitted hat with the sticker still on the top and like that type of shape up.

[Mal]

Albania, for sure. Albania.

[Rory]

But Albanians are white. Except for the ones in the Bronx. Yeah, they're their own race of violence. But, yeah, I think a lot of our white fans. I could pass as Puerto Rican in the summer.

[Mal]

Yeah, you could be Puerto Rican. It all depends on the hair, the style of the hair. You can be the Puerto Rican. You could be Mexican. You could be Albanian as well.

[Rory]

And I mean, only listen to Jadakiss on the way to the show.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah. These are. You can't tell sometimes.

[Mal]

Yeah, absolutely. Well, Rory, happy 400th episode. This is officially our 400th, but not episode.

[Rory]

Thanks. Thank you, Josh and Peach.

[Mal]

Thank you and thank you out there.

[Rory]

Damaris is telling us, celebrating.

[Mal]

Thank you. Damaris went.

[Rory]

It meant so much to so much of Damaris.

[Mal]

Episode that she decided not to be here today so she can be on a beautiful island.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mal]

In Carousel.

[Rory]

With a sandy butt just on sandy cheeks.

[Mal]

But she's having a good time. So, you know, shout out to Baby D. But, yes, it is our 400th episode, Rory. They thought that we would never see it. They thought that we would never be here. I don't know who they are, but I'm sure some of them are out there.

[Rory]

They exist.

[Mal]

Yeah, some of them are out there. They. They hit me up every now and again and remind me that I ain't shit. And, you know, that, you know, has.

[Rory]

Khaled ever explained who they is?

[Mal]

No. Khalid has a lot of explaining to do. That would be, like, the bottom of the list.

[Rory]

You know, I. I thought on Thursday after we left the podcast that I was on DJ Khaled's album.

[Mal]

Why did you think you wanted to stop?

[Rory]

So Brandy, our lawyer, texted me, was like, hey, did you see that email from yesterday? And I was like, oh, yeah, I'll get back to you. So I open it, and I'm thinking, this is for Jay. Did something for Khaled's album.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

So I hit Jay, and I was like, yo, you never sent me what you did for Khaled. He was like, I didn't do anything for Khaled. So I hit Brandy. She was like, no, this is for you. I said, I've never worked with DJ Khaled. Then I'm thinking, oh, maybe, like, remember when, like, Absol. Or, like, Isaiah Rashad would put our pod on there?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Because the offer was for $1 in perpetuity.

[Mal]

A dollar. Okay.

[Rory]

Which. That's no knock to Cali, because sometimes when people do swaps or, like, work together, you just got to put a cent or a dollar on the thing. So I'm like, well, I never worked with Khaled. Maybe a B pack or something I did for another artist got to Khaled, and now they're trying to do paperwork. So I hit Lenny, who manages Khaled, and I'm like, hey, got this email confused. He said, oh, Khaled said he spoke to you last week and cleared everything up. I said, I've never spoken more than three words to DJ Khaled in my entire life. And they've been in passing, like, yo, salute. Yo, let's work. Yeah.

[Mal]

The three words are we the best?

[Rory]

Yeah. It's always been in a concert that's too loud. Okay. Like, we've never had, like, a real conversation.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So Lenny's like, Okay. I literally got the phone with him. Then he's like, I'm gonna call him back. So then Lenny hits me back like five minutes later. He's like callous, says he just got off the phone with you and cleared everything up. I said, lenny, I swear to God.

[Mal]

Is it another Rory?

[Rory]

I don't know what the. And then I never heard back.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

So I may or may not be on the DJ calendar.

[Mal]

Yeah. I'm thinking safe to say that not you on the album, but you know, it's all good. Maybe somebody Rory McElroy.

[Rory]

But see that that's happened, which maybe I've said on Patreon, not on a regular. There's another Rory from the west coast that I think used to work with yg and we. We had YG on palooza once or twice. So I got real cool with his team.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

So I would get all these like random YG records or random calls at like 4am because I guess there's another Rory from the west coast that is pretty popular behind the scenes. So then I guess he maybe left YG's company, started working with TDE. So I would be getting all these like, sir records. I would be getting all these TDE exclusives and be like, yo, Rory, we should clear the sample. I'm like, I mean, I don't own the rights to it. Maybe you should talk to the person like, oh, wrong Rory. I'm telling you, for years, the I have a vault full of west coast music unreleased, because they thought they were sending it to a different Rory.

[Mal]

That is crazy. Well, hopefully you are if you are on the album. Congrats.

[Rory]

Well, I want to negotiate to at least $2.

[Mal]

Well, yeah, you got to, just for your time. I mean, the time that you spent on the art is definitely worth.

[Rory]

But I assumed out the gate it was going to be like, oh, Roy T. Okay, A and R at Top Dog. Cool.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I guess he also worked with YG as well at one point because they would hit me up non stop, but shout out to the other Rory, salute. I. I mean, we have the same hard drive at this point.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's funny that that got to you though, like that email.

[Rory]

No, it'd be text. It's just everyone from TDE would text me.

[Mal]

Okay, okay, got you.

[Rory]

Yeah, like SIR would just be sending me records. I'm like, yo, what the.

[Mal]

But no. Did you say you got an email or something?

[Rory]

No, that's where it's confusing and I still don't know. I have to follow up With Lenny. They. Khaled's team put a contract together and sent it to Brandi, our lawyer.

[Mal]

Got you.

[Rory]

So I don't even know how that, like, how someone's like, oh, even got to the Brandy. How did someone even get to. That's where I was confused and thought, oh, we must be, like, on the intro, probably saying, like, some, you know, something bad. Something bad. Even though we. With Khed and support Khaled through and through, we've all made comments about Khaled. So maybe I'm thinking, like, when the. I have two Drake songs on whatever and like, that, I thought maybe he was doing, like, a collage of snippets in the beginning and he just wanted to get paperwork.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And that wasn't the case either.

[Mal]

Okay. All right. Well, whatever it is, man, congrats to Khaled on whatever he got coming. And congrats to you. If you have your dollar in perpetuity coming, pretty sure that's gonna help you out in this.

[Rory]

After taxes.

[Mal]

This tough.

[Rory]

This tough economy after taxes on the dollar. I'm trying to think, like, what expenses?

[Mal]

What are you gonna do? Like, you got so many options, so many ways you can go with that dollar.

[Rory]

Well, I was talking with brandi. She takes 5%. We're really busting this dollar down.

[Mal]

Yeah, better.

[Rory]

Takes 20.

[Mal]

Listen, man, listen. Got to do what you got to do with that dollar.

[Rory]

There's a bar in, I want to say, North Hollywood or Van Eyes or something where if you bring in a royalty check. More. More for the acting side, but a royalty check that's under a dollar, like, in the sense. Yeah, they give you a free beer, and then they post the royalty checks, like, all over the bar. Like, people that have, like, worked on Law and Order get, like, a penny every six months.

[Mal]

That's crazy.

[Rory]

And you can bring that in and they can post it on their wall. You get a free beer, which I think is, like, a genius. Yeah, that's for, like, a North Hollywood Van Nuys struggling actor area. That's, like, genius.

[Mal]

That's cool.

[Rory]

You're definitely taking my six cents for $7 beer. Like, that's a fair exchange. But yes, merch on sale. I am wearing the mall one today. New Orleans.

[Mal]

Good on you, man. Looks good on you.

[Rory]

Yeah, it looks very. Looks very wealthy.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah. I'm excited about this prosperity pack, but that's available now also. Some other merch there. All of our episodes for $5 a month are. Are available ad [e-mail] new mall. And, yeah, man, that was kind of the, the quick 25 minute recap of what's been going on.

[Mal]

What's been going on in your life.

[Rory]

Yeah, I mean, I'm more concerned about Lil Nas X, but that's, you know, that's another conversation I did.

[Mal]

I thought that was fake, though. I'm not going to lie. Last week when that, that news broke and he was walking down. Is it Studio City, I did think.

[Rory]

About he was probably going on his way to that bar.

[Mal]

Yeah, I thought that that was fake. But come, come, come to find out that he was actually arrested. Um, he's being charged with, I think three felonies or something like that. Assaulting a police officer.

[Rory]

You guys put me on game list. I thought it was still some troll. I didn't know he was really like butt ass naked and being arrested.

[Mal]

Yeah, no, he definitely was arrested. Now, I will say this. Hopefully Lil Nas X is okay. Clearly, clearly not, because he's right. Clearly not clear. You know, whatever he has going on, hopefully he makes it, do it. Now, if out of this he puts out a record and that record, you know, goes to the top of the charts, then we're gonna have to have another conversation because what is this? What is this moment really about? If he puts out a song after this and it's on top of the charts, it's like, all right, do we start believing a lot of these theories with, you know, these humiliation rituals and industry? Like what? I mean, first of all, we gotta have that conversation. Hopefully his health is fine.

[Rory]

Mo, you know, I'm YouTube, rabbit hole illuminati all day.

[Mal]

But if he put a song out.

[Rory]

Next month, do you know what you'd have to do? The Lil Nas X for a humiliation ritual? He dropped from heaven with his ass cheeks open and landed on the devil's dick in one of his videos. Yeah, you know what you got to do for a humiliation ritual? It's not walking down Ventura butt ass.

[Mal]

I forgot about that video.

[Rory]

You got to do some. You actually have to like dress him up and make him a Christian to humiliate him. You got to baptize him.

[Mal]

You got to get him cleaned up, like, to really humiliate him. Okay.

[Rory]

Like send him to a Trump rally and like support the troops, then I feel like that would get him there. But I don't know, he's probably. Listen, anyone that goes from that level of stardom to the drop that's there, it leaves potential for drug use, depression. Like, I, I get it. He became famous out of nowhere as a Young kid. He was. What was he even 20 by the time that record came out? I don't even know if he's above 18.

[Mal]

Old Town Road.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

No, I think he was a little older than 18. He had to be.

[Rory]

Either way, he was a young kid and it happened out of nowhere and became the biggest record ever. He had a good record with the Jack Harlow, but then everything just started to fall. Yeah, he was 20 years old.

[Mal]

Yeah, he was 20. Okay. He was. He was young. He was young.

[Rory]

So, I mean, I. I do empathize with which I know fans don't give a. It's like, you're rich and famous and you get to do this as a gig. Stop complaining. But I do have empathy for people that go into that level of fame and then just completely fucking drop. Oppression and vices will probably start to fill in those gaps.

[Mal]

Yeah, but people don't look at it like that. You know, that people, you know, they look at people that have, you know, fame and money as all of their problems should be solved and life should be beautiful. But, you know, people don't understand that at those heights. And, you know, with that type of success comes, you know, a lot of things that you weren't prepared for. And especially when you're young, you don't know how to deal with it. So, you know, we cracking jokes, Lil Nas X. We don't got no ill feelings towards you. We do hope that he's okay.

[Rory]

And, I mean, I guess I apologize for being a troll, but again, I sort of don't because he is the boy that's cried troll. I never know it's serious with him with anything. So this felt like an on brand thing again, I didn't hear the second part of him actually attacking cops now. Now you got to go back to the marketing team and be like, yo, you guys, you. You lived in this world a little too.

[Mal]

Yeah, he stole that one. He really leaned into that.

[Rory]

This wasn't on our vision board.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So, I mean, I feel for him, but I don't know, this. This could also be, you know, he'll plea out and go to rehab instead of jail because, hey, guys, I have a drug problem. That's why I did this.

[Mal]

And then they'll sample Amy Winehouses. They try to make me go to rehab.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

And, you know, it'll be a number one song and then we'll be back.

[Rory]

It's the rinse and repeat of celebrities. We've seen addiction, this thing.

[Mal]

We've seen. We've seen this thing already. We've seen it. That's all I'm saying. We've seen.

[Rory]

Sometimes you're really a drug addict, and sometimes you're just Vincent Chase that went on a little coke binge with a porn star and just didn't want to go to jail.

[Mal]

And sometimes you just haven't found your single yet.

[Rory]

So, you know, sometimes you've taken all your records to Rory from tde and he said, this ain't the one.

[Mal]

This ain't it. We can't go with this one. We need something else. Let's do something else.

[Rory]

But, yeah, shit. How would you. How would you want your public meltdown to go?

[Mal]

How would I want my damn. I don't want a public meltdown.

[Rory]

But just live in the hypothetical that there was a public meltdown. I hope to God I would be high doing a public meltdown. Sober would be like, see that first and secondhand embarrassment. I want to live in the.

[Mal]

No, but that's the thing. I would want to be sober.

[Rory]

A sober meltdown would be so embarrassing.

[Mal]

Yeah, Like, I want to be sober for, like. Because what is the. What is. What would I be. What would they be, like, killing me for?

[Rory]

All right, I'm not saying you would do this. I'll put myself in Lil Nas X's shoes, or lack thereof shoes. If I was walking down Ventura butt ass saying all the shit he was saying, then attack police officers, and then you later found out I was sober, what would you say on this podcast.

[Mal]

You walk down the street butt naked, everybody thought you were drugged up, out.

[Rory]

Your mind, and then you later find out like, no, no, they did a drug test. He was clean. You'd be like, lock that person up.

[Mal]

Nah, I mean, I would have.

[Rory]

That's a sick.

[Mal]

Yeah, but.

[Rory]

But you gotta have the excuse of some type of opioid.

[Mal]

Cause that's just streaking. That's just like, you know, we going streaking. You don't have to. You don't have to. You know, it's like, okay, you lost or you lost. Can you.

[Rory]

Can you streak at a. A slow pace? You gotta have a light jog.

[Mal]

What's up to you in a group.

[Rory]

You streaking by yourself is weird because.

[Mal]

I mean, we had a friend of mine growing up, we had him ride around the Bronx, like, butt naked on the bike when he lost a bet.

[Rory]

I was just about to say, did.

[Mal]

He lose a bet? Yeah, but. Because he lost a bet. But it was the craziest shit at the time because it's like, yo, he's really on this Bike. One of the busiest intersections in the Bronx on the Grand Concourse and Fordham Road, butt naked riding a bike.

[Rory]

Yeah, but that's a bet. Like I can see a white person doing the streaking thing, but like y' all version of that is like in the basement in belly when they made homie strip.

[Mal]

No, that was totally different.

[Rory]

That's y' all version of streaking.

[Mal]

No, that was totally. That was totally different. That's not streaking.

[Rory]

That's black people's version of streaking for sure.

[Mal]

Nah, that's not streaking. Now Lil Nas X, hopefully again he know he's, he's fine and he gets himself cleaned up, whatever drugs he was on. But yeah, man, I bet not. See no number one song next month.

[Rory]

I know that I would hope mine. Obviously no one will be harmed, but I would definitely want to be on an opioid where I was hallucinating. I would want to have like maybe a super soaker gun. Like just so it'd be like fun, silly mental breakdowns. But I would want to say not profound things, but open ended things that Illuminati YouTube would pick up and take as law. Because there's like certain people. Who's the guy? Rest in peace to the gentleman he was cool with. The guy from friends that also passed away, he killed himself. But he was going in on Hollywood right before he died.

[Mal]

And he's Matthew Perry.

[Rory]

He was friends with Matthew Perry. Yeah. Sorry for forgetting his name. And rest in peace. He had put out a bunch of videos before he took his own life, quote unquote, exposing Hollywood. And granted he could have been right, but there's also a high chance he could have just had some mental health issues and some drug issues and was just saying shit.

[Mal]

Well, that's what they're hoping that people think.

[Rory]

And I'm saying I want, during my mental breakdown I want to say a bunch of open ended things that make me look like some prophet or some genius and I'm literally just babbling. Yeah, that's, that's how I want my mental breakdown to go. Like now he's really exposed in the music industry and it's like meanwhile he just had the same name as an A and R tde. Like he really has no pull. He's not even on Khaled's album.

[Mal]

Like he went crazy because he thought he was on Khaled's album and come to find out he's not on Khaled's album. So he just started tweaking.

[Rory]

That would be a funny bit if if once the Khaled album comes out, I stand outside Roc Nation office picketing with the contract, at least pay me my dollar sign.

[Mal]

Yeah, give me my dollar.

[Rory]

I signed it.

[Mal]

Yeah, give me my dollar, Give me my dollar. Yo, yo Khaled, send that dollar man.

[Rory]

Cash app that I feel like Khaled now that that's verse swaps. If I'm doing it for a dollar, that's verse swaps. So he got to come on the.

[Mal]

Pod callin ain't doing no pod.

[Rory]

What you don't think? I think this will be the first run cuz things are a bit different for that he would have to go on a proper press run.

[Mal]

Why are things different?

[Rory]

Because I think him as the promotional machine isn't what it was before. Because he's pulled back a bit like during the vine days and was it vine that he got super popular on? It was before Tik Tok.

[Mal]

Snapchat.

[Rory]

Snapchat. Like he could go on Ellen. He could do. Which he probably still can, but he would like he was himself the entity. He didn't need to like the press run was happy to have him, not the other way around. He's pulled back from a lot of that stuff. So I think he now needs to go back to the press.

[Mal]

I mean, which is fine. I mean I think Khaled is in a. Very. Obviously you know, we fuck with Khaled, but I think this may be like to what you're saying. I think he's in a very different space now though.

[Rory]

Yeah. I mean I felt since Father of Assad, which I thought was a really, really good album, that it's kind of been wishy washy. Like there's joints but they're not as good as the previous Khaled projects. And he's been fine. Like maybe he doesn't hit number one because of a Tyler album, but he still has like joints. I. I've seen Khaled fail with two albums by Khaled standards. Not by I could dream to do the numbers that Khalid does, but. And he's fine. Like he still comes back. People are still going to listen to a Khaled album. He's still going to get all the A list artists.

[Mal]

Is it?

[Rory]

I think so.

[Mal]

I think we know one that he doesn't have.

[Rory]

Well yeah, I mean he kind of went out want to live there. But if you look even then, has Drake given anyone more music besides maybe Ross And a lot of those records are Calif Records. Like.

[Mal]

Yeah, but I mean when I say he's in A different. Like he, he doesn't have the two Drake records that he probably was was banking on.

[Rory]

I mean he got one of the most iconic Jay Z verses of the last 15 years.

[Mal]

I don't think Jay Z will give him another verse. I think that was Jay's. I think Godz did was Jay's like, you gotta think about it. Jay performed that record at the Grammys outside of like the whole like crypto arena. Like, you know what I mean? Like he really gave Khaled like a whole thing.

[Rory]

I didn't like that they put Friday at the kids table with John Legend.

[Mal]

Yeah, but I mean to the point of not having Drake records that you obviously were banking on. I don't think he'll have another Jay Z verse.

[Rory]

Here's the thing though. I didn't think on God did he would get a Jay Z verse and he got a four minute Jay Z verse. If I'll admit when I'm wrong, and I probably said it on the podcast, I ain't no way he get another Jay Z. Like I just didn't feel like the timing was there or Khaled was even focusing on music like that at that point. And then he got one of the greatest HOV guest features ever.

[Mal]

Which is why I think he won't get another one. I think that was Jay's like.

[Rory]

But Jay will do things. Jay will give verses to his investments. And that's why you get two Beyonce and Jay Z records on two different Khaled projects. One with future. Like he's invested in Khaled. He manages Khaled.

[Mal]

So yeah, but I still don't. Again with an artist like Jay, who's obviously a legacy artist at this point. Like I just don't know what he does after a record or verse. Like God did. Like, now what we gonna give us another. I got the keys. Like you don't really. But to me, God did just feels like this is my. I'm bowing out. Like I'm done. You know what I mean? What else? What else? What other type of song could Khaled and or Jay make for Khaled, you know what I mean? I just don't understand where you go from there.

[Rory]

I don't think he should pivot to the younger, younger audience. I think throwing them in the mix a little bit is whatever. But Khaled's real connections of where he can have moments is when he gets legacy acts, I. E. Getting a Jay Z verse to be the intro on his album last time. That was the moment. I mean Rihanna, technically, I guess, was legacy when Wild Thoughts came out. But having moments like that, having Alicia Keys on your project, having, like all these crazy a list names that don't usually do, we'll be like, all right, I'll give my verse for the year or my record for the year to Khaled. I don't know if the younger generation gives a about that, but I also don't know if legacy acts are running to do that anymore either. Like Rihanna, it took us a Smurfs movie that she was heavily involved in to get a record out of that. I don't know if she's doing a Khaled album. I mean, do you think she would get on there?

[Mal]

I don't think Rihanna is making music because Rihanna realizes or feels like it's just not worth her time. The music industry is. It's a dying thing. Like, what is the music industry? You see all these artists from years ago. Rory. We've seen everybody selling their catalog.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

And we didn't know why. Why are people selling their entire catalogs for? Because it's like, if I can get this much money for this music now with a way. With the way streaming is affecting, you know, things and how arts are paid. AI, I think artists just realized, like, this thing that we get. We came in on with this, with this thing called, you know, the music industry is changing. I don't think that somebody like Rihanna, obviously, she doesn't need the money. So it's like it comes to think of, is she inspired?

[Rory]

Yeah, that's what I think it comes down to.

[Mal]

But why is she not inspired? Because of all the bullshit that surrounds it. The way people move on from music so fast now. It's like you could put out a classic album right now and people will be done with it in a month.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

So it's like when the artist that, you know, legacy artists, Rihanna, Jay Z, whoever else the legacy artists are, you can see why they would not be inspired to put out new things if they're making so much money in other areas. Rihanna is, you know, on top of the beauty world right now. Billion dollar industry. Like, she doesn't music to her, it has to either inspire, she has to be inspired, or just at a point where she's just, like, totally in love with the sound that she found in the studio and, you know, like, the things that have come together as far as the songs, but to just be like, rihanna, give us an album. She's not doing that. Like, an artist like that is not doing it because they feel like, yo, it's not. It's not what y' all think it is as consumers, us on the outside, well, we know a little bit more about the industry, but the average consumer doesn't realize the business. The music business is not what it once was.

[Rory]

But that was the beauty of the Khaled album or the Khaled single. I. E. A H.O.V. like, I have no interest in putting out an album this year, but there's plenty of things I do want to say that I don't address unless I'm putting music out. No, I know, but I'm saying in Rihanna's. But only because people be inspired by one record. Or you could have one record on your hard drive that you love. And it's like, I have to wait to put this out because it needs to be surrounded by something. But that was the genius of the Khalid project. Like, even the Jay Z and Beyonce Shining records, which I think is incredible. It's one of my favorite Jay Z and Beyonce collabs. I don't think they would have ever put that out had it not been around something specific.

[Mal]

Right. It has to make sense.

[Rory]

We got Beyonce rapping with Future and HOV on Top Off. Like, that's not coming out unless Beyonce is doing something or Jay Z is doing something.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

Khaled gives those opportunities. I just don't know if anyone's, like, running to care for that in the current climate, which is not a knock to Khaled. It's a knock to the climate. But I mean, Rihanna putting out that Smurf thing, I don't think she's inspired her. I think she would have put music out because, again, she doesn't need the money. She doesn't have to march to anyone's drums. She do whatever the fuck she wants to inspire.

[Mal]

She do whatever she wants.

[Rory]

She wants to put out Celtic reggae. She could do it because it's Rihanna.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I feel like she would do that with a Khaled album if that was a thing. That if those moments mattered anymore. I just don't know if moments are a thing in the music industry anymore.

[Mal]

What are the moments?

[Rory]

Everything outside of the music is the moment.

[Mal]

Is it just us seeing, like, artists names featured together on a song that we never thought, like, okay, we never thought we would see these two work together. Like, that's a moment. Okay. We gotta hear what that's about, what they did. But again, even with that, once you hear the record, it's like we just move on. The consumers, the average. We just move on from Things so fast now. Things don't sit with us. Like, that's why. Back to what I was saying. I don't really care if Jay puts out another album, because I know what's gonna happen. The people that grew up with Jay and that love Jay and hold him to high regard, we're gonna love it. But there's a whole new generation now, and people that have platforms and spaces and they don't care about Jay like that. Like, they don't hold him to that regard like we do. Like Carti just did the sample, the record Imaginary Players. That song started charted again. That's the first time some people ever even heard that Jay record.

[Rory]

Yeah, but again, with someone like a Rihanna or a Jay, why would their mind move to the younger generation? Why would they even care about that?

[Mal]

I mean, not that they don't care, but to an extent, you have to care about the younger generation because it's a large part of the consumers. It's a large part of the people that are, you know, influencing the sound and the new trends and things that are going on. Even the slang, the way people talk, the way people dress, it's always gonna lean a little younger. That's just how it's always been. So you have to kind of be in tune with what the new generation is kind of doing and what they're into now. Not that you have to care. I don't like Jay and Rihanna. These people are. You know, life is set forever for these people. But I'm just saying, if you're gonna put your art into this space, into the consumer space, you have to look at who's consuming it. And a large part of the consumer base is the younger audience.

[Rory]

Well, then let's stay specifically on rap, because pop is. Is a bit different. Yes, it's. It's different with Rihanna than it would be with a hover or Nas. I mean, for example, even, like, when Michael Butterflies hit. But did that album hit like it? It's definitely different with the pop world because the young generation, no matter what, you're a pop star.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

The same way I always tell you that Chris Brown is bigger than Quavo. I don't understand why you don't think that, but the younger generation still cares about Chris Brown as a pop star.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

With that said, why would Nas put out six projects with Hitboy? Like, why? Who cares what the younger generation. I'm feeding my audience and showing hip hop being the youngest genre, how it's aging. They're leading the charge of that 444 was a prime example of how hip hop can age. No disrespect to KRS or Big Daddy Kane or whatever, but they never kept going with the times. HOV and Nas have shown how hip hop can age. Why? Why would they have to beat to the drum of hip hop just being a young, young man's game. At one point it was because it was just a young genre. Now it's not. Hope could put out seven albums. I guarantee his core would give a. And he would sell out arenas constantly. He'd be the Grateful Dead.

[Mal]

No.

[Rory]

Springsteen.

[Mal]

Like the core will always care. The core will always care. Now I'm not.

[Rory]

But their core is their core.

[Mal]

Right? I'm not saying Jay doesn't. Doesn't.

[Rory]

It's not an MF Doom core.

[Mal]

Right?

[Rory]

It's. It's an arena core.

[Mal]

No, no. 100. I'm not saying that an artist like Jay Z or person or businessman like Jay Z, he doesn't really. He's not trying to, you know, move to the beat of somebody else to move. When we say moving. He doesn't. That doesn't apply there. I'm just saying that when you're selling anything, I don't care what it is. As a business person, you have to look at the consumer base and you have to try to, you know, again, your core is your core. But you do want to pull in some of the newer audience and things like that. Just because that's just the business that you're in. You're in the entertainment business now with the music business being in the state it's in. Back to what we saying about Khaled, do you go just legacy album with legacy acts? I don't know if you. I don't know if Khaled is willing to do that.

[Rory]

I mean, I think he has a clip song. I'm just guessing. Shit.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I think there's probably a Clips record on there. I think you'll probably get a Young Thug record. I think he'll get. I'm sure Beebs.

[Mal]

Yeah, but now. But now.

[Rory]

But now a bunch of be like.

[Mal]

That's what I'm saying. But now we. We just talking about things that we've already.

[Rory]

I'm trying to think of moments that would make sense.

[Mal]

So now that goes back to why I'm saying I don't think Jay Z gives Khaled a verse.

[Rory]

At least not for.

[Mal]

At least not for this project. Because again, I just gave you the gods did. We did that. That was a whole thing. Like we was at the table to find the Last Supper type of vibe. Like, we gave you that. Where do we go now? Like, do we give another a diet version of that? Like, it just starts to feel like, okay, we've had this. You're giving us the same thing. You're just kind of like, you know, reheating it and adding a little more.

[Rory]

But that's. That's been Khaled. Even when I thought his albums were great.

[Mal]

But how long is that?

[Rory]

How long you staying at Father's Eye was the last one that I was like, I fuck with this project.

[Mal]

Yeah, but that's so. Again, so now we're going to start learning.

[Rory]

Like it was even that one wasn't a. To like superpowers, the wrestling. But it was still a solid, solid project. Yeah, there's records I go back to on that often. But I think it goes back to your original point, which I completely agree with. With Rihanna and Ove, it's if you're inspired like God did. Khaled was at the office playing that record. Was Ross, Wayne and Friday. Like, he wasn't playing that for HOV to get on. HOV was.

[Mal]

Whoa, let me stop you right there. Whenever an artist plays a record like that around, you know, you don't see. Don't. Don't do this thing that you doing. You know how this industry shit goes. If Jay Z is sitting on that couch and I have a record and I'm playing this record, Trust and believe. It's something in my DNA that's saying, I hope he loves this shit. And he. And he wants to go to the studio right now.

[Rory]

Hove and Lenny are his managers. Obviously he goes to rock to play them the music. I'm sure if it would have been the Boujee Bantown record, if HOV would have been like, yo, I'm gonna. I'm sure Khaled wouldn't want anything.

[Mal]

He does anything.

[Rory]

It's if he's inspired. I don't think he was going in there. Like, I just blocked a verse off on God did. Because the. The whole after that was like, damn, do we keep Wayne and. Because Wayne and Ross have great verses, but it's like this is the. The moment. Is this just the intro? Is it just this five minute whole verse and then we move on? Because I already told Wayne and Ross they on this. I think it comes down to inspiration. If Hope. I'm saying if HOV hears something he's inspired by, he'll do it. I don't think he's sitting there like this Is the Khaled album. I don't give him anything. If he doesn't hear anything, then he's not getting a verse now.

[Mal]

Okay, you're right, because there's a lot of. But I look at it differently.

[Rory]

Hov also gets inspired when y' all have talked wild about him. There's a lot of super bowl I'm sure he wants to address.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Even when they had written testimony, Hov had shit to get off his chest with the NFL stuff. Like, now I have something to say. And if you put something out. All right.

[Mal]

Yeah, but you know how the industry is. And we know Khaled.

[Rory]

He has a thousand Caesar palace casino bars in his head right now.

[Mal]

Khaled is the fucking. One of the greatest salesmen.

[Rory]

Oh, for sure. Yeah.

[Mal]

If you think that Khaled didn't walk that record in that room and he didn't look at Jay in his eyes and start moving his shoulders, trying to feed Jay that energy. Like, yo, you don't feel that? Like, you don't. We know Khaled is a salesman. He's gonna. He gonna sell you. You didn't even know you wanted to buy. So it's like, if he played that verse for Jay, of course he was playing that.

[Rory]

I think there's certain artists at a point in their career that the sales pitch doesn't work. It's what I hear on this record.

[Mal]

Like, no, it's not that the sales I recently watched. It's not that the sales pitch doesn't work. It's that it doesn't work on you anymore. It's gonna work on somebody else.

[Rory]

No, no, that same thing is gonna work. I said an artist at that point. Point.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

Even I rewatched and. Sorry, everyone, for making this a hovcast. I rewatched the. The black album fade to black movie. And even when Pharrell, after the phone call was. Was trying to pitch because we know Pharrell to be a salesman. Hov walked in, throws keys on, and Pharrell said, all right. It's like the end of carlito's way. And Hov went, that's the speech.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's it. Get right to it. Yeah.

[Rory]

Some shit is just like, all right.

[Mal]

Yeah, you.

[Rory]

Sometimes you say he started mumbling the moment those fucking four chords came in. Like, all right. This is the insane.

[Mal]

Yeah. All you had to do was play this. You didn't have to sell this like this.

[Rory]

That's the speech. You're not gonna try to pitch me on this.

[Mal]

He's like, that's it. That's it. So, again, I don't know. You know what Khaled does with this project? Just give Rory his dollar and life will be. Life will be better. Better for everyone.

[Rory]

Will you protest outside Roc Nation with me?

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, yeah. You gotta give me half of that dollar, though. You got. We gotta bust.

[Rory]

Judging by our contract.

[Mal]

Actually, you gotta give me half of that dollar.

[Rory]

Cause I even asked Brandon, I said, did Maul get one too? Because again, I thought it was a.

[Mal]

Podcast thing that's on the arm. Keep that. Don't even worry about that dollar. That's all you.

[Rory]

Yeah, see, that's. That's life.

[Mal]

You gotta eat. Gotta eat.

[Rory]

You gotta want people to eat.

[Mal]

No, I want everybody. Everybody eats for me, man. It's all love, no worry, all the time. All the time. And not. It's never been. It hasn't been a day, Rory, that I have not thought about.

[Rory]

If I asked you this question before.

[Mal]

Have you ever text me and you ask me this every day.

[Rory]

Okay, but maybe it's not resonating with you.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

Have you saw a phone plan and thought, wow, great price, but then your bill is way higher. You're like, yo, what the.

[Mal]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

But with Boost mobile, you pay $25 a month. Forever. That's unlimited talk, text data. That's why I can ask you this question and text you this question every day, Mal.

[Mal]

Every day.

[Rory]

Because I have unlimited data for $25.

[Mal]

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[Rory]

I could see a Cardi moment on there on Cal. We can pivot from. From Khaled. Because I do want to get into Cardi and, and imaginary player and I think there'd be a card.

[Mal]

I don't want to talk about any female rappers no more.

[Rory]

Why? See, that's sexist. No, no, you know the marriage is in here.

[Mal]

No, no, no. You know why? It's not that it's sex. I mean I want all of the. I want all of them to keep talking they shit and looking good and doing a thing, but it's not looking good. I just don't think it's fair for me to speak. Speak on their music because they're not making. They're not making these records for me. A person like me, like, they don't care. Like Cardi doesn't care if I like her verse. Nikki doesn't care if I like her verse. Like they don't. They don't give a fuck.

[Rory]

No, they do care.

[Mal]

No, they. No, they just don't want you to shit on it. They care if you on it. But if I don't speak on it, I don't think like, then nobody's gonna be upset.

[Rory]

Can I play Damaris today? Cool. Okay. I think they do care. Not specifically about us per se, but they are in a male dominated field where male opinions are the ones that give you a stamp. Which I would argue with Damaris that women are the people that move the needle. And when women like some men gonna like it. We're gonna work in a lot.

[Mal]

If they like it, we love it.

[Rory]

But I do see that side from a woman's point of view there that like. Yeah, I need male media to with this too because y' all have stamped. Hip hop has been male dominated for 50 years.

[Mal]

Yeah, but it's not.

[Rory]

Y' all are the ones that say when something's good or not as far as perception. Yeah, but if you go to a Nikki show like you don't need a man.

[Mal]

Yeah, like to stamp anything at all. Like, but that's just not.

[Rory]

She got stamped by Fendi. Like it. You get a stamp based off on the business side.

[Mal]

On the business side, she was buzzing.

[Rory]

With her own shit.

[Mal]

On the business side. I understand that.

[Rory]

But media business do go hand in hand. So they do care in that regard.

[Mal]

It doesn't like. And it's. It's honestly unfair because again, if it's a Cardi or Nikki or Meg or, you know, Lotto or whoever, you know, the. The ladies that are putting out music, they're not. They're not recording these verses thinking, oh, I hope he likes it or he likes it. It's more so like they want the women to love it. They want the women to say otherwise. Huh?

[Rory]

My phone would say otherwise.

[Mal]

But that's because you're saying if you hear the song, you're saying something to the side of you don't like it or you're not feeling it. That's when it becomes a conversation to your phone. Like, yo, why'd you say that? Da, da, da. But I just don't feel, you know, just being honest. Like, it's just like. Cause that's not for me. It's almost like, why am I even speaking on that when I know that wasn't created with me in mind? Like, that's not.

[Rory]

I don't think that's even really a gender thing per se. Because even when we came in here to talk about the Cardi shit, I started by saying I shouldn't be the one to review this, but this is good. This is God awful.

[Mal]

But I agree. But I shouldn't. I shouldn't be the one. Because again, it's not made for me. It's not. I'm not supposed to like it to an extent. You know what I'm saying? It's like, yo, this wasn't written, but.

[Rory]

It'S made for the masses, so the masses can comment. Yeah, but even if it's not for me.

[Mal]

But what masses, though?

[Rory]

You don't think somebody like, trying to go out to the masses.

[Mal]

Yeah, but somebody like me who grew up on a different type of hip.

[Rory]

Hop, different type of rap, damn near the same neighborhood as her, 15 minutes away.

[Mal]

Yeah, but the gap.

[Rory]

You've dated a Cardi.

[Mal]

But.

[Rory]

But the guy dated her.

[Mal]

No, not her. Yeah, she cleaned it up. The clips is crazy is all I'm saying. Just clean that up. No, not her. But yes, we from the same neighborhood, same culture, so I understand that. But again, it's a different time now when you talk about rap, hip hop, and you know, you think it's a type of music. Like, it's just.

[Rory]

It's different.

[Mal]

It's a content.

[Rory]

I think. I think you would judge miseducation if it came out. I think you would judge a little Sims album. I. I think there's plenty of women artists that would be. I think you're just talking about the content, per se.

[Mal]

It's the content. It's not for me. That content is not for me.

[Rory]

Now, I love being Damaris. Would you not say that imaginary player Cardi's not really doing rap on that. She. She told me, like, even if it's not like, hov everyone relax, but she. She just flexing the way any other rapper would. It's not a rap record.

[Mal]

Yeah, but it's not.

[Rory]

Again, it's just the tone of her voice.

[Mal]

No, no, just. It's just the content. Me, it's like my demographic. That's not. It's not for. It's not for my demographic. It's not for my age group. It's not for, like. It's just not. You know what I'm saying? It's not. It's like, I want to see her. All the success that she's shooting for, I want to see her get it. Because again, I'm supporting Cardi, but it's almost unfair for me to sit here and give my opinions on a Cardi record because, again, I don't think she made that record caring if I like it or not. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, for me to speak on it, it's like, with proof.

[Rory]

That's just where I disagree.

[Mal]

I'm just saying. I'm just saying that's how I feel. It's like, damn, man. I don't really. I don't want to talk.

[Rory]

All right, well, then I'll give her your number and she can curse you out and start.

[Mal]

Because even. Look, even as much as I love Cardi and support her and all of that, I don't play Cardi's music. Where would I play Cardi's music at?

[Rory]

I don't think that's a diss.

[Mal]

It's not, but that's what I'm saying. So then why, when she puts out a song, why am I even speaking on it? Now? I'm saluting her. I want everybody that fuck to love it. But for me to sit on my platform and speak on it, sometimes I'll be like, damn, I don't want. And you notice, behind the scenes, I.

[Rory]

Feel the same way.

[Mal]

I don't want to speak, but again, not because I don't like Cardi and I don't support. I don't think she's. It's because I feel like it's unfair because she really is not making music in these Songs for somebody like me. She's not. So it's like, why the fuck am I even speaking on it?

[Rory]

No, I fuck with her.

[Mal]

I want to speak on it and, you know, give her a praise, like, yo, do your thing. Like, you know what I'm saying? I'm rooting for you. But it's almost unfair to even talk about the music because, again, I'm not gonna be playing Cardi's music anywhere.

[Rory]

You do this weird thing in podcasting where you try to make logical sense.

[Mal]

No, this is a.

[Rory]

This is a world that is. Doesn't have it.

[Mal]

But let me explain something to you. I know.

[Rory]

I know we're in a universe where logical sense is not.

[Mal]

I understand we're not playing that. Listen. But I understand that. But that's just who I am. I'm being me. It's not a character. I have to bring logic into everything. I have to. I know I'm at a handicap with this. Trust me. I. We've been doing this for years. I know where I stand on things. My thought process, my moral compass. I am at a handicap because everybody is not going to be aligned with the things that I feel and think that I say. I get that. But I can't stop being who I am.

[Rory]

I mean, what's gotten tiring with on my side, like, mentally exhausting, which has become a handicap. I've always want music to be good. I'm not one of those weird people that's, like, praying for music to be bad. But also, even artists that I do really like, and sometimes their music isn't the best, I don't want to come in here and shit on it. Like, I know art is to be critiqued, but I just don't really have that in me anymore to, like, if I think someone is, like, genuinely trash, I'd rather, like, not talk about it. Because then also, like, what. What's the game we're playing? What is the dopamine hit for the listener, right? Just screaming that I don't like an artist that we've all liked forever. Now their music sucks.

[Mal]

Right?

[Rory]

I just don't like. That's why I also. On the side pray, like. Like Jid's album, I was like, please be good, please be good, please be good. Because I would never want to come in here. And it's not because I'm phony or not realizing that this is the job, too, to say when something is bad or good. It's just exhausting to just tear people down. Like, yeah, when it comes to, like, Playboy Cardi. That's for me. I don't care. That could be a. That could be illmatic to you. It's trash to me. I don't like. I don't care. Nordisk Cardi. Nor does it fancy.

[Mal]

Right. But art is not personal to the artist.

[Rory]

Of course not.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

Artists that I do care about. Like, thank God the Clips album was great. Thank God Jid's album was great.

[Mal]

Thank God Ghostface albums dope.

[Rory]

Yes. Which was the only one that I did listen to this week. But yes. That was one of those two that was like mass appeal. Come on, please.

[Mal]

Yes. They got it right.

[Rory]

Smoked it.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So, yeah. I don't know. It's just. Which I'm. I'll probably. You know, there'll be comments because I know a lot of the POD fans, like, that's a lot of them get off on that. Like, not positivity. And I'm not saying we have to just sit here and have flowers and just be like, everything's great. No, we should tell the truth. But I don't always just want to. On someone because I don't particularly like their music. Like, I'm not gonna go back to Imaginary Players, but again, it's not really, like, for me. Am I excited for the Cardi album? Do I pray it's good?

[Mal]

I'm on the same.

[Rory]

Because I like good music and I hope Cardi succeeds in her life. I don't think she's a scumbag. If she was a dirtbag. Like it. But.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

I don't know. I just don't understand that. That's that concept of, like, hoping things suck. Like, then we can tear them down. Like, yo, it's over for them.

[Mal]

Yeah, but that's like. But you know that. That's. We see you. Do you know that that's just how this thing is.

[Rory]

Oh, no, for sure. It's podcasting. It's just a reflection of. Of crabs in the barrel.

[Mal]

Negative. Negative. Things are gonna travel fast.

[Rory]

Literally all the political news outlets want the world to end.

[Mal]

Exactly.

[Rory]

Nobody wants to be like, hey, that bill was good.

[Mal]

Yeah, that actually is a great idea. Nobody wants to say that. Nobody. And it's like, all right, cool. I get it, man. But again, sometimes we sit here and, you know, just talking about certain artists, you know, I'm just like, damn, man. Cause that's not. It's not for me. So I don't really want to talk. But again, I want.

[Rory]

I think that reflection has starting to got on your man's.

[Mal]

As far as What?

[Rory]

I think when people project negativity on you for so long, sometimes you become a caricature of what people project on you. I think I know Drake be joking around, but Rob Markman is like one of the few journalists that we have. And I know, I mean, Drake didn't say anything crazy, but I think him, he's projecting because people have been shitting on him for a year and I think now he's just getting his payback. But he doesn't need to. Rob don't bother nobody. Unless he said something about Drake that I missed, I just feel like attacking. Even though I don't think I say negative things about Drake, I think my world would be more of a place for Drake to attack than Rob's world. And I'm not saying me specifically or Rob specifically. I just think Rob is on a journalistic side and we're on a commentary side. And I think Rob is very objective and fair in everything that he does. I think a lot of the stuff that we do, even though we are objective, has emotion involved in it as well. So it's an easier back and forth. And I can see where artists feel a certain way. Does Rob bother anyone? I think Rob is an incredible journalist and one of the few hip hop journalists we have left.

[Mal]

Yeah, but you speaking, you may be speaking about things that you probably just don't know.

[Rory]

Oh, that's why I asked. Unless there was something I missed. Because I remember even when Drake was roasting me in the IG comments, he kept bringing up Rob Markman. I was like, why does he keep bringing up Rob? Is there some history there that I'm unaware of?

[Mal]

I mean, I don't know. Probably. I just don't think that Drake is the type of person that will talk down to somebody or talk negatively about somebody unless it's a. You never really see. You only see the person with the bigger platform strike back. You never see what the person is mad at or what they're responding to. You only see the response. So I think that's what this is. I think there's some things behind the scenes that may have happened over the last couple of years that, you know, just left a bad taste in Drake's mouth. And of course, because he is who he is, we're only gonna see his response. And now it looks like he's, you know, disrespecting the journalist who doesn't bother anybody. And, you know, admittedly.

[Rory]

So I did, of course, I follow, you know, a lot of what Rob does, and I did follow the battle back and forth. I thought he did a great job covering the battle. I'm sure there was something maybe I could have missed. I don't think it's coming out of nowhere. I also think, though Drake, in a jokingly way, sometimes is disconnected with media and who he thinks people are. And it's not a narcissistic thing. I can just only go off me as an example, when he would put me and Rob in certain categories of, like, just these straight hip hop nerds. Like, when he would make jokes of, like, rory would only like me if I worked with Griselda. And like, I'm like, dude, do you like? No, I, like, only listen to pop music and R and B.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

Like, as much as the underground hip hop nerd I am. I think you have me skewed. Like, I'm not the guy that's like, yo, did you hear Immortal Technique? Dance with the Devil? I'm not that guy. And I think he probably thinks Rob is a representation of the older hip hop nerd that rejected Drake in 09 when things started to change. Whereas I was the one that was like, oh, finally, this guy saved hip hop because it was going in a bad direction at that point.

[Mal]

Right. Yeah.

[Rory]

I think he has a different. Because he's so up here, he may not fully understand everyone's taste level or what we talk about outside of things that don't pertain to him, which is fine. He doesn't need to do that. But we all live in our bubble. I just thought it was kind of like out of left field. Rob is nice as fuck.

[Mal]

Yeah. But that's. Again, he probably has a different.

[Rory]

For sure.

[Mal]

You know what I mean? Different relationship with Rob. And some things were said or some things were done that he knows about that we don't have no idea. It's a lot of that. Sometimes, again, you only see the person with the bigger platform respond, you're talking to me.

[Rory]

The amount of times I've replied to something and the whole narrative history is erased from it, and I look like the fucking psychopath. I'm like, dog, do you not realize? But of course, I've been ignoring someone for five years and I finally say something.

[Mal]

But of course, because of the time that we're in, anything that Drake says now is super magnified and he's super upset and he's salty and he's disgruntled and he thinks the world is against it. There's going to be all of that added to that now just because of the things that we've gone through in the last couple years and where we are now. So no matter what he does, it's going to be looked at as, oh, this is his response. Because, you know, maybe Mark supported the not like Us record. So now Drake's mad at anybody that did that. And when it's like, okay, you may think it's that, but it may be something else too. It may be something deeper than that.

[Rory]

As well, that if he got mad at everyone that like, not like us, it'd be a. Well, this would be exhausting.

[Mal]

This is what I'm saying. And.

[Rory]

And again, we get off the Drake thing. This is the one thing I'm not saying you. But a lot of the OVO fan base, it's okay if y' all can say, like, yo, maybe Drake is a little. I don't say salty, but feels away. Like, that's okay.

[Mal]

I'd feel, oh, I've been saying that.

[Rory]

I was like, yo, he's so unbothered. Why out there? I'm like, no, it should be bothered.

[Mal]

No, I've been saying that probably okay to feel. No, he's like, let's be.

[Rory]

No, Drake not thinking about Easy. Yeah, he probably is thinking about that, bro.

[Mal]

Listen, if, you know, if anybody knows, you know, I'm very vocal. People celebrated and danced to him being called him the worst thing you could ever be called as a man. How.

[Rory]

How do you feel about the Bobby Altoff? I don't know if it's announcement that they are working together because again, like hov. When I said he'll do stuff for his investments. Is Drake just doing a Bobby interview after she closed her deal, which I thought was a good move, she. She tried to Frank Ocean her deal said her. Her podcast was over and then relaunched a whole new one, and her and Drake are back in the bed just with a. With a better background. I don't think Drake is just doing this unless he's invested in something with Bobby.

[Mal]

I mean, it could be that he could. He could have some type of investment with Bobby and, you know, in the podcast and, you know, have her as his. You know, I like to call. You know how Michael Jordan had a marshad.

[Rory]

You think, you think Bobby is.

[Mal]

Yeah, I mean, just somebody that he could definitely check out, go to and have a cool, fun conversation with where, you know, it's not. No. Or I mean, Iceman's name is Bobby Drake. So I don't know if that plays into it. Right.

[Rory]

All you youtubers that are forcing artists to have all these entendres And I.

[Mal]

Mean, they did that. They did that with the whole Kendrick. I'm just saying.

[Rory]

No, I know.

[Mal]

I'm just saying it could be culture.

[Rory]

In general, where now everything has to mean something.

[Mal]

I'm just saying it could be. It could be, is what I'm saying. That's all. It could be a bunch of different reasons why if somebody feels like, you know, he's doing it because, I don't know, like, he's attracted to Bobby alto. I don't know. Whatever people are thinking, think that. I'm just saying, whatever. It is cool. He's doing a podcast with Bobby Altoff.

[Rory]

And of course, I love when artists, their stories and Easter eggs, and those are writers, those are generational talents. I like all that. But I also sometimes, like, okay, Illmatic was my best album. All right, I guess we'll go with Stillmatic. Like, not everything has to be right. Sometimes it's just like, you're right, which is a classic, right?

[Mal]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

Like, sometimes it does. Everything doesn't have to be. I get why Drake is doing with Pinocchio, and he's carrying the bag. What does the bag mean? That's because we live in this world now where everything is a rabbit hole. There's a thread on Twitter. Everything, even if it doesn't make sense, has to make connected to something else. I just would. Bobby. I mean, I said the same thing with Aiden, and I can be objective and understand why Drake would want to avoid hip hop media or avoid any real conversation until the time is right of when that album comes out. And he does want to address everything, but, you know, perception is still a thing, which I think Drake still cares about. Yeah, I don't want to hear. I mean, I liked him and Bobby on the first interview, but for what?

[Mal]

Who would you like to hear him with? Us.

[Rory]

And they're just gonna flip this to be like, I'm salty. Anyone. That if Drake went to drink champs tomorrow, I'd be ecstatic.

[Mal]

I wouldn't.

[Rory]

If drake went to Hot 97 tomorrow, I'll be a static. If Drake went to Charlemagne tomorrow, I'd be ecstatic.

[Mal]

If.

[Rory]

If Drake sat with Rob Markman, I'd be ecstatic. Like, I.

[Mal]

But Bobby, also, if you're not ecstatic.

[Rory]

Oh, I'm gonna watch it.

[Mal]

No, he. He doesn't want to. Drake, Rob, Mark.

[Rory]

No, I'm just trying to let you guys know it's. It's not a salty thing where I'm, like, mad that Drake is. I'm not the person that's like, if Drake won't sit with me, Yo. Like, then him. The way they tried to paint Elliot, when Elliot had pointed out, like, you're not sitting with anyone from the culture, and they took that as you're salty, that he won't sit with you. When Ellie just said, somebody of the culture, I'm just saying I want the Drake interview that answers the questions that I have as a fan at the moment. I'm sure this Bobby shit will be funny. Their first interview was fucking hilarious. I've watched it more than once. It's very funny. I just.

[Mal]

I don't know.

[Rory]

I don't really care at this point.

[Mal]

Yeah. I just don't. I mean, if you. No matter who you want Drake to sit with, once he sits with them, people are gonna say, oh, they didn't ask him this. He didn't talk about that. He didn't address. And even if he does, even if they ask all the questions that we all want to hear answers to, however Drake answers it, people gonna feel away about that.

[Rory]

Listen, somebody.

[Mal]

It's gonna be. Think pieces about his answers. Somebody's gonna be clips about his answers and his streams about how come he didn't answer this.

[Rory]

It's like, just shut the up, somebody perfect right now. Angie Martinez. Angie creates a very warm environment, does not avoid questions, because Angie will ask you that, but she will do it in such an amazing way. That's why she's so good. That's why she's a legend. It'll almost feel like it's a soft question, but she's really asking that shit. She would be a perfect person.

[Mal]

Yeah. But then if he goes to sit with Angie, you know what they'll say? Oh, why he didn't sit with Blackboy Max, why he didn't go sit with this person, why he didn't go to Charlemagne, why he didn't go to this thing?

[Rory]

I think.

[Mal]

No, I think it doesn't matter.

[Rory]

I think fans now just want him to sit with somebody that is going to ask. I'm not saying, like, straight hardball. Knock it out the park, yo. Tell me how you found out if you think Whitney was abused. I'm just saying Bobby and she. It'll be like a Curb episode, which is fine, but I think fans want to hear from Drake now. Now. I think the goal post moves a lot.

[Mal]

Oh, with him, it moves every. Every hour.

[Rory]

Yeah. I very much enjoyed the conversation with Sza and Kendrick, but I hold Kendrick to the same thing. I want Kendrick to sit with somebody. Not that he has to but yeah, that scissor conversation was great. And I get that was gq, right?

[Mal]

Bizarre. Harper, was it? Harper, but Harper, something like that.

[Rory]

I thought it was a really cool conversation between two incredible minds. But I also would love a Kendrick, like, I loved Nadeska, sat with him.

[Mal]

Talk to Rob Markman. Kendrick, Kendrick need to get about. You need to get up. I'll just see like, Kendrick, sit right there. Let me talk to Kendrick.

[Rory]

I would love that. I think that'd be.

[Mal]

Let me talk to Kendrick.

[Rory]

I got.

[Mal]

I got some questions for Kendrick.

[Rory]

I think that would be great.

[Mal]

Yeah, I'm gonna ask shit Rob ain't gonna ask. Cause me and Kendrick, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's just. It's just different coming from my face than Rob's face.

[Rory]

First of all, I have told you.

[Mal]

Before, me and Kendrick are probably the same complexion. This is a little different.

[Rory]

If I ask him, which I want the world to know and appreciate you for this. I've told you off camera, if you. If Drake wants to do an interview with you, that's like, I won't feel away. I don't need to go. I don't need to be there. I don't need to produce anything. Like, go do that. And you have said, which, I love you.

[Mal]

Me by myself.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah. And you said, no, I would want. Which is cool. I'm saying I was leaving us out of it. I want Drake to sit with you. I would want Kendrick to sit with you.

[Mal]

I don't want to.

[Rory]

I don't want to think people would be surprised. I think you would ask Drake real questions. I don't think it would be what the Internet has painted you as, where it would just be getting off Drake, quote unquote, talking points. I think you'd ask him real shit. And I think it'd be a comfortable environment. And if he wouldn't want me there, I wouldn't feel no way. Well, just bringing back some Tim Hortons and, you know, I don't know.

[Mal]

No, I don't think it's not wanting you there. I just, you know, I just laugh at certain that I read online sometimes, like, because I've never. Being honest with you, I've never thought about sitting and talking to Drake on camera. It's never once crossed my mind.

[Rory]

Why is that?

[Mal]

Because, I mean, our conversation and our exchanges are like that of me and any of my other homeboys, where it's like, I never thought about having my homeboy in front of a camera asking him the shit that we talk About. So I get Drake is who he is, but I don't look at it through that lens or look at it with that mindset. It's like, we speak, we laugh about shit, we talk about shit. He's, you know, trusting me with some of his music and some of, you know, personal shit he's going through. But I think it's that. Because he knows that I'm not thinking. I'm not thinking interview. I don't. If Drake never gives me. Sits down on the camera, I wouldn't.

[Rory]

Give a. Oh, no. But I. I know that part.

[Mal]

Right. But people don't know. So I'm saying it for people that don't know that. So I've never thought about, oh, damn, I hope he comes sitting. That's never once crossed my mind.

[Rory]

So when you don't think you have a real relationship with him. That's why. But they think you're doing it to leverage an interview, which I know is.

[Mal]

Which is crazy. But that's cool. They could think that. But what I'm saying is, I don't. Look, if you. If me and you didn't have a podcast together and you putting out dope albums and this, that, and third, and you had going through some. You my guy, I wouldn't be thinking like, damn, I hope Rory one day wants to come and sit on camera and we could have this. That doesn't even cross my mind.

[Rory]

With a real friendship, there's artists that I'm.

[Mal]

But now if you say, you know what? I got some shit. I want to get off more, and I want to get it off with you.

[Rory]

Pause.

[Mal]

Set up the cameras. Pause.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

All right, cool. But I'm not in my mind. That doesn't even. You know what I'm saying? When I see people say, oh, he didn't. He gotta give Maul. Why? Why? Like, I don't. Because truthfully. Truthfully, the things that we talk about, I wouldn't even talk about on camera.

[Rory]

Fair.

[Mal]

I would never ask him that on camera. You get what I'm saying? Because I just don't think that people are even worth the answer.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mal]

You get what I mean? Because it's like, okay, even if he says it, even if we get Drake, we get the Dre. Let's paint the scenario for him. We get the Drake interview.

[Rory]

Gotcha.

[Mal]

We ask every question that's online.

[Rory]

Can we stay in Toronto for the week?

[Mal]

I don't. Wherever. Drake said bring the.

[Rory]

That's what I'm trying to leverage.

[Mal]

Wherever. I wouldn't give a.

[Rory]

Where no, let's do it in Toronto. Even if he's in New York, let's fly to Toronto.

[Mal]

There's things that we've spoken about that I would never.

[Rory]

Oh no.

[Mal]

Ask on cameras.

[Rory]

But I still think there's like basic shit that Bobby's not gonna ask. Or it'll be pitched as like a sarcasm. She'll be like. But she's like, who's this Kendrick guy? Okay, she'll like.

[Mal]

But even, even, even if she does that right, even if she asks the hard hitting questions, even if she gets.

[Rory]

To like Bobby asking, I'm just gonna pivot. She'd go from that, that sarcasmor shit to, to fucking Barbara. Walter.

[Mal]

Don't know.

[Rory]

She got a little work done.

[Mal]

She looked better. I don't know if she got work done. So you putting that I don't know about that. What I'm saying is she got money. It's certain shit that I would never ask. I just would not ask. Like, it's just, I'm just not, I'm not, it's.

[Rory]

No. Okay.

[Mal]

It's not that. It's not that serious to me.

[Rory]

I guess my point is the stuff that would be fine to ask, I think you would ask. And that's the stuff that people want to hear. The stuff that you know and you know only just y' all conversations. I don't even think that's the stuff people would even want.

[Mal]

Rory. Even, even in that. You know why it doesn't matter because even if he answers the question, you can ask whatever question, it's never gonna.

[Rory]

Be tough satisfy anyway.

[Mal]

It's not gonna satisfy any body. No matter what he says, no matter what he does, no matter what album he puts out, people already have in their mind that don't like Drake and that don't like cool. It doesn't matter what he says. So when people get all worked up about him announcing who he's sitting down talking to, I'm just laughing because I'm like, no matter who he talks to, people are still gonna feel away about it. So that's why I'm just like, yo, I don't even think like that. Like, my thing is that I want great music and I want people to be happy in their lives and mother raise their families. That's. I don't care if he sits down or she sits down with who. What? I don't care, bro. I, I really. That shit does not cross my mind at all. I don't care about shit like that.

[Rory]

What if Drake asked you to do Bobby's second episode in the event that he is invested into this new venture.

[Mal]

Like, me and Bobby. Sit down one on one.

[Rory]

You'd be the next guest. Like, how she went to, like, Drake and then Mark Cuban. It'd be like Drake and then Mole.

[Mal]

Oh, I would kick it with Bobby. Yeah. Why not?

[Rory]

I probably would. I wouldn't.

[Mal]

I mean, yeah, she seemed like. It seems like a cool. Like a cool conversation. Like, you know, I mean, like, what's the. What's the push back there? Like, I don't really care that much. Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, I'm like, okay, call me a culture vulture. I did. I've definitely went on rants about Bobby. I just don't really care that much. In the beginning, it was a little. It was just a little weird, I thought.

[Mal]

What was weird? Oh, like, she was a plant. Like, where did she come from?

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah. It was more so that. And like, where her. Like, the specific type of acts in the beginning that her team was focused on, and then she branched out and then had to come back to hip hop because that. The real reaction with that dry humor stuff came because she was coming from outside of the culture.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

When she would do it with, you know, whether it be Bobby Lee or Mark Cuban or other people, she couldn't lean on that because you weren't getting the same reaction. Either the comedian was carrying it or Mark Cuban was just answering like he would in any interview. It just wasn't interesting the way it was when Drake is playing Rack City Bitch and she's like, I don't know who this is. Or she's doing an awful bit. I forgot Shorty's name of. I'm a musician. I'm a magician, which. Which I don't even understand why y' all found that. Like, that was such a bad stage bit. So, yeah, I've definitely had some pushback, but what I do with Bobby Denver. Yeah, I don't, like. I don't care that much.

[Mal]

I just don't know when people get so worked up about these things. I just don't know who they be wanting. People like, who do y'. All. Y'. All. Like, you can't sit and talk with everybody. Like, no artist can sit and talk with everybody. So when people get upset. Oh, he's not talking. Nobody from the culture. He's not talking about. He sat and talked with one of his close friends, Yachty. They had a conversation and they kicked it up.

[Rory]

That was pre beef, though.

[Mal]

Yeah. Okay, so now post beef, they want. Who do they want?

[Rory]

No, I think that's everyone's point that Drake was very much talking to everybody in the culture pre beef. And now that that happened, it's only been streamers that are not of. Not even just hip hop, just not music, period. So it appears like you're avoiding any type of question that would be asked, which, by the way, I'm fine with at the moment, because I think there's a time and place when you can address those things, and I think it should come with the album. If he wants to just kick it with streamers now and just make little potshot jokes every now and then, cool. But at some point, I think he needs to sit down with somebody.

[Mal]

I think he does, and I think.

[Rory]

He will, and I'm fine now.

[Mal]

I also don't feel. I also don't understand how at some point I also. I'm with you. I also. I'm with you on that as well. But I just don't understand how people don't see the side of it where somebody like Drake and what he, you know, is going. Currently dealing with and going through, what he went through and what he had to sit back and watch people support and amplify. And I don't understand how people don't see how he's turned off. And like, I'm never with them again. I'll never kick it with them again. I'll never go to that radio station again. I'll never sit down. How do people not see that?

[Rory]

Oh, I see that because, see, the.

[Mal]

Thing is, people are taking it. Oh, it's just hip hop. It's just Rabbit's entertainment. Cool. But you're not the person standing there that has to watch people support a message about you. That, again, is the most egregious, most disgusting thing they could ever put on a man, especially a father. How do people not factor that in? Like, maybe he's never going to Hot 97 again.

[Rory]

Oh, he's never. Fifteen years ago, I was just. I was just bringing in other.

[Mal]

But I'm saying, why do people not. Why do people feel like he should just get over it and just move on and just sit down with everybody and talk that.

[Rory]

Why people? I just said just one.

[Mal]

No, no, I'm just. I'm just a question. Like, why do people. People don't factor that.

[Rory]

Because. Because when you get somebody that is.

[Mal]

Of that, why do you want to hear from him so he can answer a question? People be like, nah, he's lying. He ain't. No, that's not how you feel. Yo, he's lying. Nah, he don't. Why are you suing the. Nah. You suing the labels? You a snooze, you a rat, you a snitch.

[Rory]

What.

[Mal]

What the are we talking about here?

[Rory]

And obviously I'm not saying Kendrick hasn't done little Easter egg stuff like the super bowl promo or anything, but for the most part, he stays quiet and off social media. Whereas Drake, with the Iceman episodes, there's a bunch of things still regarding the beef Instagram. He's talking about it a lot. He says stuff on stage. Certain times he's. He's wearing certain outfits that address it. That's where I think people want more from. It's like, all right, if you're going to keep constantly reminding us every day about this, plus all the lawsuit stuff that goes out every day, people want to hear from Drake. I don't think it's crazy for fans to want to hear from him when he also constantly, in his own way brings it up as well. Whereas Kendrick, not to say he's quiet all the time, he finds different ways to go about it. Less energy over there because he's kind of to himself. Whereas Drake is forward facing with it. Even when he's talking to these streamers about gambling, he'll throw in low shots.

[Mal]

Like, no, the difference is Drake is.

[Rory]

The biggest artist in the world and constantly addressing it.

[Mal]

Well, should he not?

[Rory]

No, I think he should. I'm answering why people would want to hear from Drake.

[Mal]

They're going to always want to hear from the biggest artists in the world.

[Rory]

Sure. But specifically, that's why the, the Rap Radar interview was so heralded outside of BDOT and Elliott doing a great job in that interview and asking every question we wanted to hear. There was a lot going on in Drake's life at that time, whether it be his kid, whether it be the Meek Mill shit, whether it be the Pusha T shit. Like a lot was going on where we want to hear from the biggest artist in the world. And this is the first biggest artist in the world that we've had access to. You can't name another artist at Drake's level that we've ever had access to the way we have access to him. No other a lister of that magnitude has been on social media the same way. Same way he'd be outside. Like, that's where things are a bit different. Like, even with Madonna, who was kind of outside like that, she was still like, you still question. You still didn't know what was going on. Like, you didn't know she was Dating Hazen Jack. If she had Instagram, maybe you would be like, yo, I have questions.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Why are you walking out with Haitian Jack? Why are you on Live with Haitian Jack right now? Things would be different. But yeah, he's forward facing. He's the most forward facing star we've ever had in music.

[Mal]

I asked a question to you.

[Rory]

So people, once they get a taste of that. Now you gotta live in this world.

[Mal]

No, you don't.

[Rory]

I'm saying from a fan perspective.

[Mal]

Yeah, but fans got to understand that the artist is not. Doesn't have to move when you say move and do what you say do. And of course, that's all.

[Rory]

Yeah, no, of course. I mean, listen, the fact that Jussie's even given us more answers than Drake is probably why we're on this side. Jussie, did you watch the doc?

[Mal]

No, I would never watch. Jussie Smollett. Jussie Smuly. I would never watch his doc.

[Rory]

Why would you not watch?

[Mal]

He's in it because I told you years ago, man, the fucking sandwich made it home. Like, cut this shit. Don't piss on me and tell me it's raining, bro. Like, let's just come downstairs so we can fight. Like. Like, what you talking about? Like, no, I don't want to watch this shit. I don't want to watch it. Like, I don't. I'm not one of these people that I don't want to watch this shit. I don't want to see another O.J. simpson documentary. I don't want to see another Jussie smoothie.

[Rory]

We don't need another one. But I'd always watch.

[Mal]

I don't want to see none of that shit. I don't care about none of this shit. Jussie is a liar. The fucking. The sub made it home after he got hung.

[Rory]

Noose. The noose made the noose made it.

[Mal]

The. The. He got with a bottle of bleach. Like, what do we talk? How the did the meatball sub make it back to the condo? What the. Do we know you? Nothing happened, bro. Nothing happened to you.

[Rory]

All right, So I watched it.

[Mal]

Of course you did.

[Rory]

You going.

[Mal]

You the type of person, you going to see a rabbit hole and you going to go get your rabbit ears and jump in it 100%. Yeah. Yeah, you that guy.

[Rory]

If Elmer Fudd is with a gun right there, I'm jumping right in that with the ears on.

[Mal]

Yeah, I'm not watching. But.

[Rory]

But tell me about it.

[Mal]

So what did Jesse say? He's standing on it. He ten toes, Jesse.

[Rory]

The first half of it is everything you've seen before. There's been a million Jussie docs. You guys can skip the whole first half of the documentary. It's nothing new whatsoever. Except you're speaking to the actual cops that even did a few interviews before now. What I took away from this doc, it was kind of me looking in the mirror as a conspiracy theorist. We are so easily turned over by absolute nonsense when we want everything to be a conspiracy. So the second half of this doc has like three journalists that aren't even, like, we don't know what the they are. They're just some random people.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

That like went and got some footage and started questioning it. And I saw the timeline turn on Friday of like, damn, maybe Jesse was telling the truth. So when I.

[Mal]

So when I go, that's what these documentaries are. That's what they intended.

[Rory]

And someone as conspiracy theorists were so easily turned two people that we have no idea who the they are. Started saying, Yo, 10 seconds is missing here. Then they found a clip of two guys that match the clothing description walking past Jussie's building. And they're like, those are two white men. And then they. They pass the iPad around to everybody. That's white men. That's white men. I watched the clip. That's two black guys. Like, they. Everyone was like, nah, is different now. I said, yo, we are so easily swayed when we want something to be a conspiracy.

[Mal]

Yeah. 100.

[Rory]

They found footage of the two brothers. Just say, like, you don't know what black people look like.

[Mal]

It's stupid, bro. That's why I can't watch it.

[Rory]

Don't look like white men.

[Mal]

That's why I can't watch it.

[Rory]

I was like, that's a white man, man. No, it's not.

[Mal]

No.

[Rory]

That's two black guys.

[Mal]

Listen, man, we. We know.

[Rory]

And the brothers, like, you know that's right there. Yo, they followed. They followed all the cameras, the Uber share to the cab, everything. The brothers all the way with ring cameras back to their exact address. This is. This is a non story. He lied like.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Trying to make this now into. And granted, I think the Chicago police have lied for a century. They're just not lying here.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, this is ridiculous. Of how they tried to shift this to. Here's some new information. No, this is a money grab. And you found three halfway YouTube journalists, no disrespect, to try to make a new story off some footage. That is.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

What's funny is their Big. Their big get was Jussie was like, well, there was two. There was two witnesses that no one ever brought up that was in court. There was this black kid that says he saw two white men. Later on the dock, they passed the iPad to him with the footage that everyone keeps saying, these are white men. He's the only one that went, oh, no, it's two black guys.

[Mal]

And there you have it.

[Rory]

This is why your star witness went, nah, that's too black off.

[Mal]

Yeah. And this is why I can't watch that. Like, come on.

[Rory]

And then there was another witness in the building, said she saw a white man outside the building. But that all was weird to me, too, because he got allegedly jumped, like, blocks. Wait, what? Even in front of his building like that? Yeah, he made it up.

[Mal]

Like, of course.

[Rory]

This is just not like a. I just is not a thing.

[Mal]

Why are people so.

[Rory]

But it made me as somebody. Like, I had to look at my own kind. Like, dog, what do we. Like? We get jet fuel can. Like, it can bend beams. It can't melt them, but it can bend them.

[Mal]

Yeah, we.

[Rory]

And even though I think that one is true, not everything is a conspiracy talk. Like, no one was conspiring against.

[Mal]

That's why I'm not watching it.

[Rory]

Because after you go back to the hour and a half evidence before that, let's just get to the facts. Two white guys on the coldest day in Chicago history were walking around a wealthy neighborhood with a noose and bleach that also are fans of Empire.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And happened to run across Jussie Smollett at Subway at.

[Mal]

What are the odds? You got a better chance of bumping into Michael Jordan on a cold night in Chicago than Jesse Smiley. Are you kidding me? No, man. That. I can't watch it like that. You know what I watched? I watched the Cowboys documentary.

[Rory]

Oh, that's on my cue.

[Mal]

That's what I watched. The trailer. I watched that. Good, good documentary, that.

[Rory]

Admit it.

[Mal]

I mean, there's been some, you know, cowboy documentaries. This is not the first one, obviously, but this was. This was a good one. It's good to see, you know, them have Deion in a documentary being where Coach Prom is at in his life now. But it was a really good documentary. You should definitely check it out. Definitely. I didn't realize that it's been 30 years since the Cowboys since they won the Super Bowl. But, yeah, man, it was good seeing those old highlights and those games and, you know, like, reliving those moments, like, oh, shit. And hearing the backstories from obviously Emma Smith and Deion Sanders and Michael Irvin and even Jerry Jones. Like I, I kind of heard stories about Jerry Jones over the years, but seeing him in a documentary.

[Rory]

What stories you wrote?

[Mal]

Well, him just being two. Two.

[Rory]

That's a conspiracy.

[Mal]

Well, no, that he, he addressed that as well.

[Rory]

But nah, he was there. He was just checking it out.

[Mal]

He didn't know what was going on. Roy, he was just at school that day.

[Rory]

But he saw a group of people.

[Mal]

Like yo, what they doing?

[Rory]

Who all there?

[Mal]

Yeah, who all that? And they just caught him in the background. That two. That's all that was. But no, him, you know, the way he purchased the team and him just really wanting to be hands on with everything. And then, you know, kind of him and Coach Johnson kind of like, you know, having their spat. But them also being such close friends and winning the national title at Arkansas in college together. It was just good to see that dynamic of Jerry Jones who just was a guy who, you know, believed in this team that he bought and wanted them to be great and, and was willing to do any and everything. Whether it meant doing the laundry for the team, whether it meant, you know, whatever it was. He just wanted to be a part of the organization now. He didn't just want to own the team and just, you know, be in his office looking down on everybody like he wanted to really be in the mix and you know, you know, be in the players faces and let the players know that he was there for them. The whole thing I forgot about when they was trying to call Troikman a racist. I forgot about that whole thing in the 90s and then Troy being there front row when Michael Irvin had to go to court for his shit. Like, you know, like it was just, it was just cool to see those gentlemen where they at in their lives now kind of relive that and talk about those moments in those days. But it was a good documentary. You definitely should watch it. I'm not a Cowboys fan, but you cannot be, you cannot grow up in the 90s watching football and not, you know, just have respect for what they did.

[Rory]

Is it safe to say though that they're not America's team? Late 80s and the 90s, they had legendary run. But does that make you America's team?

[Mal]

I mean, maybe you want to get to the technicality.

[Rory]

Technicality. The technicalities is there's a dynasty called the Patriots.

[Mal]

Well, yes, I think that checks everybody. Yes. But I liked what Coach Kaller from the Steelers, he was like, if anything Pittsburgh is the fucking America's team.

[Rory]

Like, I'm not mad at that either.

[Mal]

Blue collar, steel mill country. Like a steel mill state. Like, you know, we like. So when he said that, I was like, got a point there. Like, if you're gonna name presidential candidates.

[Rory]

Like, actually, they campaign in Pennsylvania.

[Mal]

You get what I'm saying?

[Rory]

That's. That's America.

[Mal]

I understand that, but, you know, just the Cowboys being one of the most recognizable franchises, recognizable logos in the world, being worth, I think, probably 8, 9, 10 billion.

[Rory]

Now it's outside of the Yankees, it's probably number two, but I don't know, because the leg is just so important. So what do you think Cowboys would sell for?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Oh, wait. Damaris is calling us, trying to celebrate. 400.

[Mal]

Yeah. Let's see what she doing, man.

[Rory]

She on vacation, probably. You know, that time on vacation.

[Mal]

Hey, conspiracy theorist, check it out. Baby Demon calling out missing work. All kind of. We. We getting close. The predictions might be coming true. Yo, listen, I'm just let y' all know. Yeah, Ye. Yeah.

[Rory]

She realized she don't got to work no more, man.

[Mal]

Listen, man, we got to call in the.

[Rory]

Check yourself a rich man.

[Mal]

Let's check in on Baby D right now, see what the hell going on.

[Rory]

Don't try to celebrate. I'm sure she's between that, like, dinner and later night activity.

[Mal]

Whatever she between, she better answer this goddamn phone. I know that.

[Rory]

No, she's calling. Special guest in the Zoom Zoom Room. Live from who the knows Baby D. And the D is for maybe. Baby d is that Dr. Undisclosed location.

[Damaris]

I'm in Carousel.

[Mal]

Curacao. I know what they do out there. A lot of topless beaches out there. A lot of new beaches.

[Damaris]

You just made that up.

[Mal]

There's a lot of new beaches in Curacao.

[Rory]

Is that, like, a thing out there?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Where. Where is Curacao, like, in the world?

[Damaris]

Aruba and Bonaire is part of the ABC islands.

[Rory]

Oh, okay. So the lgbt, they got their whole.

[Mal]

Now, yo, listen. They got islands.

[Rory]

That's crazy.

[Mal]

They got islands. They got all kind of. They got clothing brands.

[Rory]

You put it right up there.

[Mal]

And I left it alone.

[Rory]

I left it alone.

[Mal]

Yeah, baby. How you feeling?

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[Rory]

Candice Rivera has it all. In just three years, she went from stay at home mom to traveling the world, saving lives and making millions. Anyone would think Candice's charmed life was about as real as unicorns. But sometimes the truth is even harder to believe than the lies. Not true. There's so many things not true.

[Damaris]

You gotta believe me.

[Rory]

I'm Charli Webster and this is Unicorn Girl, an Apple original podcast produced by Seven Hills. Follow and listen on Apple Podcasts. I'm okay.

[Damaris]

I'm in a little bit of pain, but I'm okay.

[Mal]

We just wanted to check. We just wanted to check in on you. You know what I'm saying? See how you was feeling, see how you was doing. Make sure you getting, you know, your tan on. You got the right oils. Cause, you know, as melanated people, we gotta have the right oils when we sit in that sun. Now. Now.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I'm good. I'm getting tan. I'm outside. Actually. I'm not outside. I've been in this Airbnb this entire time.

[Mal]

But. But that's outside.

[Damaris]

Yeah, semi outside.

[Mal]

Yeah. There you go. Look at the.

[Rory]

Is that. Is that the front nine? Little live golf in the background.

[Mal]

Yeah. You're not going to go play? No. You're not go play no live golf. You got play live golf, not regular golf. You got to play live golf. Yeah.

[Rory]

So what. What's your vacation swag? Like, what do you usually do besides fall in the pool? What?

[Damaris]

That's why I tell you.

[Rory]

Shit.

[Damaris]

You talk too much.

[Rory]

Oh, no. We're gonna show the video, too.

[Mal]

Yeah, we gotta post that clip actually. That's gonna be the thumbnail.

[Rory]

Is that gonna make. Is that gonna make one of your vlogs?

[Damaris]

I was thinking about it. It's embarrassing though, baby D. When the.

[Mal]

Last time your leg went like that far behind you and like. Cause that looked like it hurt. That look like you could be out for about three weeks. Jason Tatum might have felt just like that one time I was out, too.

[Rory]

You broke your whole jaw on that. We could actually tease it here and then you could put it on your vlog so, like, everyone will rush to see you bust your ass on your vlog.

[Damaris]

Y' all see my bruise? Look at my bro.

[Rory]

God damn.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah. No, that's bad. That's bad.

[Rory]

Holy. All right. For those damaris was trying to, like, be sexy by setting the camera up and walk on the side of the. Was that the invisible pool? Never ending pool.

[Mal]

Infinity pool.

[Rory]

Trying to walk in the infinity pool.

[Mal]

And completely invisible pool. No, it's right there. We can see the pool now with the water. No, it gives the Lord that. It's just never, never ending.

[Rory]

Well, Damaris is still falling. Yes, it was the infinity fall. She was walking on the side and straight bust her ass, trying to look sexy for the vlog. But that was the funniest video. Like, I airdropped that to my computer, too. Like, that needs to be on multiple clouds.

[Mal]

When you. When you coming back to work?

[Rory]

To work?

[Damaris]

Yeah, I think it ain't get my.

[Rory]

Two weeks in the mail.

[Mal]

Nah, but I mean, let me know, like, you know what I'm saying? Let me know. Look out for it.

[Rory]

Where you mailed it from?

[Mal]

Yeah, where'd you mail it from? And where'd you mail it to?

[Damaris]

Like, mailed it from from here. Middle of the ocean, so it'll get.

[Rory]

Y' all in a little bit right now.

[Mal]

Yeah. That take more days. It take a little more day. We might get that Thursday, though. Don't trip. It's all good.

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah, I'll be here Thursday. I'll be to work Thursday.

[Rory]

Any. Any women of the night out there?

[Damaris]

Nah, but they don't ID in clubs here.

[Rory]

That's. That's not good.

[Damaris]

No, it ain't. It ain't good because I went to. We went to go pay for some girl to get in, and then we realized they ain't ID her. And I looked at her, and he looked at her, and we said.

[Mal]

Y' all went to pay for a girl to get in?

[Damaris]

Yeah, like, she was going to get in or whatever. And we were gonna pay for her to get in. But then we realized that they didn't ID her.

[Mal]

This was some random girl that y' all just saw.

[Damaris]

Yeah, she was pretty, but she looked young. But she looked too young to be in a club. I was like, all right, we saw.

[Rory]

Like, 18, 19 young, or, like, 14, 15. She was like.

[Damaris]

She was like, come on, bro. No, she looked like she was, like, 20. She looked like she could be 23. She could be.

[Rory]

Oh, I thought when you said young.

[Damaris]

She could not be. And we weren't gonna find that out on our own. So now I'm cool.

[Rory]

Is the club age even 21 out there? I feel like it's 18.

[Damaris]

I don't know. I think it's like, 18. That's. But I wasn't. We weren't thinking that.

[Rory]

You know, you got something else in your mind.

[Mal]

Be careful. You don't want to come back with a RICO get you for trafficking, right? Now you don't. You don't cross all kinds of. Yeah, that's how I see. That's how you at the Marisol. Yo, yo, when you dock dropping, yo.

[Rory]

All right, yo, listen, don't name me as your G Lane.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah, it's not me.

[Damaris]

That girl name is Ghislaine.

[Rory]

I'm not Rory, Max.

[Mal]

Whatever her name is. Just make sure you don't do nothing on that island that we can't do here in America. All right? Every. All rules still apply. Just cuz you abroad, don't try to mix in with the. With the locals and do local.

[Rory]

We a puff fly right to Aruba.

[Mal]

He tried to.

[Rory]

When they.

[Mal]

When they raided his house, he tried to. They took the gas out his jet.

[Rory]

They siphon this out.

[Mal]

Yeah, they was like, nah, fam, you ain't taking off. Well, all right, baby. We talk about today.

[Damaris]

What y' all gonna talk about without me?

[Mal]

That's crazy. Oh, man, I got all kind of questions for Rory today, man.

[Rory]

Oh, for real?

[Mal]

Yeah, I just want to. Just want to talk to Rory today. I don't even care about what's going on in the culture.

[Rory]

I didn't even do anything this weekend.

[Mal]

No, no, not like no interrogation questions. I just want to know, like.

[Rory]

But Josh giggling over there like I missed the pre production meeting.

[Mal]

Oh, no, no, no. It ain't nothing like that. Just kicking it. We had to check. We had to check in on Baby Dito, make sure you was good out there. Yeah, cool.

[Damaris]

Thanks for calling.

[Mal]

It's technically our 400th episode, which technically is not. It's not with all the Patreon episodes and we well over 400.

[Rory]

But our additional episode, we don't put a number.

[Damaris]

Regular episode. Our 400th regular episode. Which is important, right?

[Rory]

I guess.

[Mal]

Is it important? I mean, yeah, I guess it is.

[Rory]

Like, important to YG.

[Mal]

It's important if you do 400 of anything. I remember you try to eat 400 mozzarella sticks. That was very important.

[Rory]

That's why she's still in pain.

[Mal]

That's why you still got gas. Now.

[Rory]

What'S the plan for the rest of the trip? You guys do your ATVs yet?

[Colin Coward]

No.

[Damaris]

We might. We might jet ski. We might sleep. We really out of. We don't know. We old, bro. We.

[Mal]

Oh, we. Oh, this just turned 30. What are you talking about?

[Damaris]

I'm 30 plus that.

[Mal]

Don't even. But you're not. You're not even a full 31 yet, though.

[Rory]

Listen, I'm old, y'. All.

[Damaris]

See, I Got this robe on. It's like 12 o'.

[Mal]

Clock. No, no, no robe. Robe ain't no robe. Is just. That's vacation shit. That's. I don't care how old you are. That ain't got nothing to do with being old. Vacation. A robe is a must when you're on vacation.

[Rory]

That's pretty big.

[Damaris]

Kind of tired of talking, y'.

[Mal]

All.

[Damaris]

For real. I'm on vacation. This feels too much like work. I love y'.

[Mal]

All.

[Damaris]

Happy. 400. This was amazing.

[Mal]

400.

[Rory]

Safe travels. Get some rest.

[Damaris]

Okay. Rory, next time I text you at 11:00 p. M. Don't fake sleep, bro. I hate them. Like, if you get asked, just say that. Like, don't fake sleep at 11 o'.

[Rory]

Clock.

[Damaris]

Well, first of all, I was knocked up.

[Rory]

That's nasty. Because I was in bed with Lamar, so. You're gross. But yes, I was asleep at that time. Just. Cuz you saw get underage girls in the club at the same time.

[Damaris]

Do me like the From Brooklyn rug. All right, I'mma holla at you.

[Rory]

Bye. Safe. Bye. I see her energy is a little even different too. Vacation, nonchalant. They really want to talk. No, I'm. I'm with you on. On your theory.

[Mal]

I know that.

[Rory]

I think she's about to retire.

[Mal]

No, it's over. Hey, hey, look. Hey, who. Who be breaking it down? Y' all might be right. Y' all might have called that one. Right. Right. She might be out of here.

[Rory]

Well, you just found out last week that she had a man.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So, I mean, you know how I go. From my understanding, he's pretty financially stable.

[Mal]

Like. Yeah.

[Rory]

Oh, God, I would love for a girl to retire me. Oh, man, I would love to just zoom in with y' all from Curacao.

[Mal]

Zooming from Cur.

[Rory]

Yo, let me check my lady. I'll be the house husband. Yeah, let me check with her to see if it's okay if she.

[Mal]

Sorry. Let me see what's on her schedule, see what she got planned for.

[Rory]

I may need to make her dinner.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[Rory]

And make her shoes. That's crazy, though. She. That was like a whole different Damaris aura.

[Mal]

I feel like vacation. Vacation. Excuse me.

[Rory]

Nah, that was the vacation where I think I could be on permanent vacation.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I like this life.

[Mal]

I could do this soft life. I could do this.

[Rory]

With that said, do we have voicemails?

[Mal]

Josh, you've got mail.

[Rory]

These are brought to you by Boost. Let's see what everyone has to say this week. Cause y' all been on Your yo.

[Voicemail Caller]

So I got this girl that I work with, right?

[Mal]

And don't do it.

[Voicemail Caller]

It was these two girls that I work with and me. We were just talking about just you know, people locally that we know. Whatever, whatever. Long story short, this one girl, her name's Cass, she shows me this video of this one girl. It's a sex video. It's this girl getting fucked, you know what I mean? On her phone. And they were talking about how, you know this girl, she's. She's trash, she's no good, whatever, whatever. And I said Cas, why do you have that in your phone phone? Like why are you holding on to it? What do you have to do with this? And she just says, oh, I just have this for blackmail. Just in case this girl wants to talk shit or just in case me and this girl ever have a problem. And dog, I thought that was the weirdest shit ever because that's. I've never heard of anybody doing any shit like that in my life. Like that is wild. Just in case you have, you have sex blackmail on your phone of this girl, just in case she ever with you, let me know. Especially Baby D, let me know. Is this a normal thing that girls be doing out here?

[Rory]

Well, Baby D is making her own sex blackmail videos. Yes. In Curacao right now?

[Mal]

Yes. She's making. She's making a three part documentary in Curacao. Yeah.

[Rory]

With the same producers of the Jesse.

[Mal]

Same ones, same ones.

[Rory]

I think anything with people having sex is way over the line. Like I think the revenge porn thing is corny. I think all that, those are private instrument now, right? Yeah, definitely the crime. I've always found that like. Like very. That stuff needs to say sacred. Those are intimate moments. There is something when I was a less becoming person that I have held in my phone as blackmail at the time. I don't care anymore.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

There was somebody that. I mean beef is a two way street pause. I didn't feel like I was beefing with this person. And for all you read it and YouTube people, it's not anything what you think in the podcast world. I promise you don't need to do the science. There was somebody that was a complete weirdo on the Internet. I have a video of him fighting somebody that pretends to be a tough guy. Like that's his whole image is I'm tough. Like I'm that guy. I'll be anybody up this and that. I have a video of him fighting and it does, it does not appear that he knows how to Fight at all.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

And I have had that in my phone for about a decade. It's just been sitting there just, just in case. Somebody has just been talking about me for a long. Like I had. But it's there like it exists.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And I. I wouldn't do anything with it now. I'm not that person. I honestly do not care if I came across that person, man. We're not going to ever be friends or speak. But it's. It's not on site. I don't give a. Yeah. 35 years old with a daughter. But there was times when I was like, I one day cross the edge. Just say one thing on Twitter.

[Mal]

He letting it fly. Yeah. But that's not.

[Rory]

Don't do this tough guy. When I have a full minute video of you clearly, dog, it looked like. And I want to. On Meek, but remember when everyone killed Meek when he was just hitting the bag. It was worse than that.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I was like, I thought you was the biggest thug in New York.

[Mal]

Yeah. Yeah. Nah, I don't know if I have any. Any videos like that.

[Rory]

And losing a fight to somebody that's not a tough guy.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

Somebody that's just a cool who's actually smoking shit currently right now. And you, Peter, know what I'm talking about. And you losing a fight to somebody that is just a cool guy that don't be minding his business.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Don't act like a tough guy. Just be chilling.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Soft spoken, respectful.

[Mal]

Those are the ones though. The mouth.

[Rory]

No, he couldn't fight either. But how you.

[Mal]

Oh, all right. I thought. I thought you meant seem like he was kicking ass or something like that.

[Rory]

He was, but he couldn't fight either.

[Mal]

Okay. Okay, gotcha.

[Rory]

It looked. It looked like two fighting.

[Mal]

Okay, got.

[Rory]

Sorry, my bad.

[Mal]

That's not okay to say no more. No, we can't let that fly. All right. All right, my bad.

[Rory]

No, it. It was just a hilarious video and I kept that in my phone. I may have even put. Put Michael Jackson Beat It Music behind.

[Mal]

Oh yeah. Oh, you started editing the video. Okay, got you. All right. Yeah.

[Rory]

So. All right. I get the blackmail thing. I think anything sexually related.

[Mal]

That's crazy.

[Rory]

That's up because that's an intimate thing. You trying to blackmail someone with intimate moments. How that got on your phone, like that's weird and get rid of it. But no, I feel like somebody that fought in public and somebody just happened to send me that video. I think I could hold that. That.

[Mal]

Yeah. But like you said now.

[Rory]

Oh no, I wouldn't yeah, like, that's just like, I'm also about something.

[Mal]

Get what you're saying. Yeah, no, that. That's putting out or holding somebody's sex tape.

[Rory]

And. And I've ran into that person and realized, oh, you're not who you say you are more than once. So. Yeah, at this point.

[Mal]

But that's different from a sex tape, though. That's.

[Rory]

Wait, no way different.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's totally different.

[Rory]

I'm not comparing the two. I was just trying to bring up my experience of a blackmail video that I happen to have.

[Mal]

Have. Yeah.

[Rory]

I don't.

[Mal]

I don't have no blackmail.

[Rory]

I don't. And I'm. Thank God. Because I don't want people to send me, like, sexual blackmail videos. But that's like, an interesting strategy. Is that what women are doing in the streets? Like, yo, if you got beef with this.

[Mal]

Well, that's what he's. That's what he's asking. I don't know. I don't know if women to do. I know women can be very caddy and very. You know, sure, they could play those games. But that's a. I mean, with the T app now, right? Is that like, it's. I don't know that. That. That could be something for the T app. Yeah.

[Rory]

If I just. If you're doing it. I mean, if you want to send your dick and all that to somebody, cool. But sending somebody else to blackmail them is like a whole nother.

[Mal]

That's a whole another level. Weird.

[Rory]

Like how. But they got to be in, like, their early 20s or something, or they're. Or they're older on Facebook. Because I've noticed that about old people that are on Facebook, they're very petty and blackmailing.

[Mal]

No, that's just women sometimes could be.

[Rory]

Very petty, but also then just showing that to somebody at work.

[Mal]

That's wild.

[Rory]

There was somebody that we both know in the music industry that used to do that. That would be very odd. Not send. He would show himself to women at, like, industry dinners. Like, I always found that, like, really strange.

[Mal]

He doesn't have a documentary out on him yet.

[Rory]

I could happen.

[Mal]

That sounds.

[Rory]

That wasn't like my. Like, I don't make it seem like I was like, co signing anything. I Like, I just. Everyone knew that that was like his go to. Like, maybe it worked well, being your.

[Mal]

Go to is wild.

[Rory]

You and you know who it is.

[Mal]

He gonna show you his sex tape. What?

[Rory]

Yeah. The amount of women that have told me, I'm like, yeah, no, everyone says he does that. Like, but not. Like. Like, not sends it to them, which both are wrong. But, like, would just be out. Be like, yo. And he'd be doing it on, like, some bestie. Like. Like friends. I think, like, I was dogging this chick out last night and show it to a girl he works with, like, at a label. And, like, what I have do not show. Do not show me that.

[Mal]

Like, I have a theory about guys who do that.

[Rory]

Why? What's your theory?

[Mal]

I think they're gay.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You want to prove to women you're a coworker that. No.

[Mal]

You want to prove to women that you sleep with women.

[Rory]

Proving to somebody who gets like, proving to women that you get is funny.

[Mal]

I'm just saying I have. This is a theory. So it's not. No, you know, conspiracy theory. It's just a theory that men that do like that. I've always looked at them like, why are you looking for that? Validation. Like, what, you feel like they're behind your back. They might feel like you like men. So anybody. You got to prove that. Nah, I'll be women. I sleep with women.

[Rory]

Okay, now that you say that I had theories about that guy.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And I know. When I tell you, let it go.

[Mal]

I see your wheels turning.

[Rory]

Yeah. No, no, no, no.

[Mal]

Keep thinking. You're gonna. You're gonna see the moment in your. In your mind.

[Rory]

And when I tell you who, it's the Leo moment.

[Mal]

Like, he is gay. He's gay.

[Rory]

When I tell you who it is off. Mike, you're gonna say it now you're gonna ask.

[Mal]

We can blow the name out. Say now. 100. 100. Homosexuality. Absolutely.

[Rory]

I think I met him through you. Yeah.

[Mal]

No, no, no. We're not doing that. No, you did not.

[Rory]

No, no, I'm not just doing that. I'm not.

[Mal]

No.

[Rory]

Met.

[Mal]

Yes, I did. No, you did not. No, I promise you, you did not. You know who you met him through, and it was not.

[Rory]

I know, but who brought him into the circle?

[Mal]

He did not me.

[Rory]

Oh, I thought you did the.

[Mal]

No, I got.

[Rory]

No, I have no issues with him outside of doing that to. Well, I think that. I think that was weird.

[Mal]

I'm saying you definitely did.

[Rory]

Like, we're not friends. Where I'd be like, hey, bro, don't do that. We're not friends like that, but he get it.

[Mal]

No, he. You didn't meet him through me.

[Rory]

No. Oh, I thought you had brought him around.

[Mal]

No, definitely not. Absolutely not. Nope.

[Rory]

But once you started saying that, I'm like, yeah, actually always thought he was gay 100.

[Mal]

I'm telling you, it's there. It's a little remnants there. But yes, to your co workers, she's bugging. And definitely don't tell her none of your secrets because she's gonna probably be wearing a wire or.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Voice record. You telling her some about a water cooler at work. So be careful with her because she got that. She got that conniving, you know, black male energy, black male spirit inside of her. So I guess trust nobody like that.

[Rory]

I guess I just don't understand with, like, blackmail to that level. Doesn't blackmail really work because of, like, public perception? Like, I. I understand, like, rappers because of how weird the rap genre has always been in that regard of. You have to be on your toes. You never know who revealing certain things is part of that. What is she gonna show it to? She's gonna post it on Facebook before it gets flagged, and three people are gonna see it. Like, what's the blackmail here? You know, blackmailer for money. Like, what?

[Mal]

It could be. So she wasn't. It was somebody that she was sleeping with that she wasn't supposed to be sleeping with. It could be that type of situation.

[Rory]

All right, what's your end game? I guess with blackmail, I don't fully understand it. Unless you have a proper end goal. What is even with. Even without the person, Even with whores that. That do the NDA thing? Like, what am I gonna sue you for? You don't have anything.

[Mal]

No, but who says sue?

[Rory]

But what do you. All right, what are we exposing to? 4 people in the world that no one knows about.

[Mal]

In her circle, in her community, at work, that may be somebody she wasn't supposed to be sleeping with.

[Rory]

So she could lose her job or something.

[Mal]

Lose her job? It could be a. You know, it could be somebody's husband.

[Rory]

Okay, but what are you then exploiting this person for? For you're not knee deep in the home record. She's right. So, yo, I'm gonna go to HR with this video. You. Let's just use the co worker thing. You a co worker? I show you. I got the evidence here.

[Mal]

What.

[Rory]

What do you do? I get 30 of your paycheck. Like, what are we doing here?

[Mal]

No, but it's not. It's. They just. It's just to out the person and to, you know, expose them. That's awesome.

[Rory]

But the point of blackmailing is to hold something over their head so they do something else.

[Mal]

Well, no.

[Rory]

What's the point of blackmail?

[Mal]

No. Yes, but I think in her. In this.

[Rory]

Do this or I'll expose this.

[Mal]

Yes, that's typically how it goes, but I think in this case, it's. She may have something on this person as well. So it's like, all right, I got dirt on you too. Like, so if you expose my dirt, I'm expose your dirt. That's what this feels like.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mal]

It feels like. I see that if she exposed what I did or what I be doing, then we just. Then I got something on her too.

[Rory]

Yeah. I mean, I guess I understand the women, like, keep it cute blackmail. Like, keep it cute because I know things.

[Mal]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Rory]

But then even I don't know, with the Internet, when everyone with a hundred followers puts their whole life story or someone else's, and it catches traction and goes viral for a day, nothing changes in your life except for everything around you failing.

[Mal]

Yeah. The.

[Rory]

The timeline moves on. You benefited nothing from this.

[Mal]

Yeah, but that's why you now have.

[Rory]

To live in this world while the rest of us went to the next. Next messy timeline thing.

[Mal]

It's just petty, that's all.

[Rory]

Yeah, I mean, I would tell that girl, just delete it. There's nothing good gonna come from it.

[Mal]

Yeah. Something. You never know. Sometimes you gotta. When they get petty, we get pettier, you know? So that's. That's what it feels like. It's like that girl. No, the other. The other. The girl in the video knows something about her, and she's just holding that, like, all right, if she ever try to expose my. I got my.

[Rory]

How do you determine that line, though? Because I'm not that type of person, clearly. Because there's plenty of. I could have told the world about and never did it. Never would.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

But, like, when do you cross that line? Like, how do you. How do you keep it cute with an enemy publicly, like, dog, let's all relax it.

[Mal]

I mean, this.

[Rory]

This could go.

[Mal]

Yeah, but I think it depends on, again, if. If she exposes her for something that only she knows, and she's like, yo, you know, I mean, hold that down, you know, I mean, I'll never let that cat out the bag because, you know, I got some shit on you too. So. It's just that she feels like if that ever gets exposed and she got something to get her lick back, I think that's. It feels like that. It's not a blackmail.

[Rory]

That's. That's.

[Mal]

It doesn't sound like she's trying to gain financially, like, in this situation. It's just like, I got some shit. I can expose her because she got some shit that she could expose me as well. That.

[Rory]

That's where you brought up handicaps before in podcasting. And I'm not saying podcasting per se, but just in life, like, that's where I have a handicap. I would just feel so nasty. Like, I'd feel like an actual female.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

Like, I just. I'm never gonna. I don't care how much like you say that's. That's true. False. In between. Whatever the. You say. I'm just. I. What am I? I'm a sit. Yo. Did you know?

[Mal]

Yeah. That's what you're supposed to do on the podcast. You ain't know that that's what they want from you.

[Rory]

I'd feel so fudgeing. Like, tweeting, like, did you know?

[Mal]

Yeah, that's what they want. They want that. They want that gossipy, nasty. I just couldn't. Vindictive.

[Rory]

I'm talking about, like, real. Not like funny banter back and forth. I'm like, real. Yeah. That I could say.

[Mal]

Oh, absolutely.

[Rory]

I'd feel so weird type. Even if somebody did something super foul publicly, I still wouldn't.

[Mal]

I'm at a handicap, bro. That's all I'm keep saying. I'm a handicap in this. In this industry, bro, because it's some. That I would never ever fucking say or repeat. But I know if I was that type of person.

[Rory]

And then for what? For the fans to listen for one day.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Talk about it on a Twitter space.

[Mal]

Go viral, and then move on the.

[Rory]

Next day to the next day.

[Mal]

Don't do that. Because you know how it goes. You go viral for some shit you said, then you get an interview on another platform talking about the viral moment, and then you'll get a brand deal based off the virality. I mean, no. Roast Sparks. Somebody. Somebody will come in and throw your bag. Just. Somebody. Somebody will come in and throw you a bag just for going viral and. And being nasty and exposing people. You know that. I don't know. I don't think you're crazy.

[Rory]

No. I think there's. There's blot. Like the. The way they say legacy media. I would say legacy gossip platforms. And no disrespects like Shade Room, Jason Lee, Hollywood, a lot like. I think they would say they're gossip. No.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Rory]

Yeah. Like, they of course get that.

[Mal]

That.

[Rory]

But you just saying something about somebody. You're not getting a brand deal.

[Mal]

But Jason Lee gets a pass because he could do that because he's gay.

[Rory]

No, Jason.

[Mal]

Yeah, right.

[Rory]

And he's a senator, but yeah, but he could do it also. Jason Lee also built a legitimate business, whether it be on gossip. That's everyone else's. No, he got just be like, hey, did you hear about this?

[Mal]

No, no.

[Rory]

That's a businessman that created a shade room. I disagree with a lot of they've done. That's not.

[Mal]

But it's not nasty.

[Rory]

But it's.

[Mal]

No, no, no. It's not nasty coming from Jason Lee. It's expected.

[Rory]

Fair.

[Mal]

It's expected. It's not nasty. It's expected.

[Rory]

But then again, you have people like. If you don't like the gossip world.

[Mal]

Nasty expectations. That's what it is.

[Rory]

All right. But TMZ and Hollywood unlocked. When they say something, I believe them. So as much as they start, they may start out as gossip. They have made it to a place where I look at tmz, if somebody's dead and CNN posts it, I'm like, I don't know if TMZ posts it. They're fucking dead. Yeah, Gossip based.

[Mal]

But that's not gossip, though. Somebody being dead is if Jason Lee.

[Rory]

Says something about Rihanna. I know that shit is 1000% true.

[Mal]

It depends on what it is.

[Rory]

Jason, of course, has had his gossip moments. But when he say something, he's usually right.

[Mal]

One thing I will say, he's not much of a liar. I'm not gonna put liar on him. There's a lot of he talk about.

[Rory]

There's a lot of lying pages. I don't know if Jason is be lying.

[Mal]

Yeah. Cuz I've seen him talk about and I'm like, how you know he ain't lying? Cuz I, I know that. I be like, yo, he ain't lying. Because I've been knew that years ago. Like I knew that person was doing so. You know what I mean? Yeah, let Jason. Let Jason Lee get his off, but not me.

[Rory]

I can't do that.

[Mal]

No.

[Rory]

Do we have another voicemail?

[Mal]

What's up, Rory Mall Demers? I have a question for y'. All. Would y' all rather have your own radio station on Grand Theft Auto, be playable characters in the next Def Jam game or make an audio cameo in a Spider man movie? If these things could happen, what would y'? All, what would y' all pick and what would the reason be?

[Rory]

That's a real action. Really, really cool.

[Mal]

Here the last one. What do you say?

[Rory]

Audio cameo in a Spider man movie?

[Mal]

An audio cameo?

[Rory]

Yeah. As far as like. Yeah, we were speaking. I don't know if Spider man was Sweeping Spider man through a cab.

[Mal]

Like Spider man listening to our podcast. Yeah.

[Rory]

Or like, you know, like sometimes he'll crash into a cab window and just be like. And then like, yeah, maybe something like that.

[Mal]

Or versus what?

[Rory]

Grand Theft Auto radio station. Or being an actual character in a like, Def Jam Vendetta fighting video game. I'm taking the Spider man one out right away. I'm only dealing with option A and B at this point.

[Mal]

The Spider Man 1 will be the obvious go to.

[Rory]

You think so?

[Mal]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

I don't think there's like staying value in that because of those action movies, how quick everything goes. I don't know if that audio cameo.

[Mal]

Spider Man Series 4 up.

[Rory]

No, I'm aware of the audience. But like, would it have value? Like, are people going to be like, all right, let's go listen to that.

[Mal]

Here's my GTA radio is interesting.

[Rory]

So the GTA radio one would be my immediate yes, no matter what thing. In the earlier GTA days, because music broke off that like, you would sit there. I could recite some of those commercials word for word when you would just be out there trying to get five stars. But now when people stream, people do other things with gta, they're also talking to other people. Is the GTA radio have the same effect that it used to? Because now everyone's doing other things while they're playing gta.

[Mal]

All that. Which one can we monetize?

[Rory]

I mean, all three. The least one I would say would be the Spider man one. That would be a DJ Khaled dollar fee.

[Mal]

So I would go with GTA radio. That's so many people play that game and actually like, you know me on that game.

[Rory]

Like, I mean, it's. Who would even know what a Def Jam, like vendetta game would do? It'd be cool to be a video game.

[Mal]

Nah, that's ego person.

[Rory]

But no, I was just about to say it's ego. You're not going to get any money. Who knows if it'll work. To me the obvious answer is gta. But yeah, because that still sit with people the way it. Because I played the last gta. But I mean, they should. They'd be on a Call of Duty shit with a bunch of people playing. They talking to each other like, is the radio station still the thing the way it was when I was a kid?

[Mal]

Well, for the simple fact that I just think that. That more people buy GTA and play GTA than are gonna go watch a Spider man movie.

[Rory]

They're probably. Well, no, probably not neck and neck.

[Mal]

No. GTA is a whole different GTA video game.

[Rory]

Dude. I remember. I remember GTA 2. This was back when my cousin was throwing ferrets, Bonnie and Clyde on top of me. He had GT. I remember GTA 2. It's like an aerial view. GTA 3 is when, like, everything changed. It's like a real video game. I remember that aerial v1. It's so crazy that to watch those types of things.

[Mal]

Yeah, I would say GTA radio station on gta. Yeah, the. The. The. The. The.

[Rory]

Hey, gta. I mean, I know it's pretty much done, but, like, we have a whole Dropbox of RAM radio with funny ads if you.

[Mal]

If you need a radio station. Definitely.

[Rory]

They can update video games in real time, though.

[Mal]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

Just. Just throw us in the mix. Now.

[Mal]

The Spider man one is just cool as.

[Rory]

That's just like, GTA is way cooler to me than Spider Man.

[Mal]

Hell no.

[Rory]

And which Spider Man?

[Mal]

Who's Spider Man?

[Rory]

That's like it. Which Spider Man? We talked.

[Mal]

Is Zendaya in it?

[Rory]

Oh, it's in the cartoon one.

[Mal]

Nah, the cartoon one.

[Rory]

Cool man.

[Mal]

Put me in GTA dog radio station.

[Rory]

If you don't bring Toby back, I don't. I ain't want to.

[Mal]

Zendaya and she's, like, rushing to get dressed and, like, the pod is playing, like, in her crib or something like that. And Spider man is outside the window, like, hurry up, we late. Like, he gives a ride to the. To the. To like, to the banquet. He swings through the city like, you know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

And they don't listen to Frank Sinatra. They listen to you. And I's dumbass. Yeah, okay. No, at that point, if they're driving to the Met gala. Yeah, okay. Yeah, that. That would get us, like, some real Ryan Seacrest type press.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

At that point, like, what were they listening to? Oh, it shows how edgy and in the culture they are. Yeah.

[Mal]

All right.

[Rory]

I wouldn't be mad at that.

[Mal]

And it's like, us talking about, like, Spider man being seen in Manhattan last night, but if.

[Rory]

If Spider man crashes into, like, a woman Uber driver and she just happens to be listening to. Hey, do we have voicemails? Yeah, I think I'm cool. Like, I don't think it's gonna resonate with the fans the way gta.

[Mal]

Yeah, no, give me GTA radio before that. Absolutely.

[Rory]

But, I mean, that goes back to when I asked y', all, was that Patreon today or last episode of who do you wanna fight? I still Wanna be, like, in a video game. I think that'd be cool.

[Mal]

Cool. All three of these scenarios are cool, but.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah.

[Mal]

Yeah. Being in a video game is, you know, that's. I think that's taking you directly back to your childhood. Like, whoever. You never thought that you would be an actual video game, but what if.

[Rory]

One of, like, the new GTA missions. Because it's in Vice City's new one, right? It's Miami. I mean, the world has changed. Criminals are going on podcasts. Like, what if we were, like. Like, what if we were a mission? Where would, like, Vladimir, whatever the fuck they. They make the guy name, he has to go on a podcast from one of the missions and, like, talk about his crimes to get money in a video game. Yeah. Like, let's say he snitched something, and then he.

[Mal]

That's a terrible.

[Rory]

And then he's. No, but, you know, the missions, like, and gta.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

You got to get money. And, like, part of that is, like, he goes on a podcast and, like, we're in gta. Yeah, no, we're. It's this podcast in gta.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

Like, he does the weird walk into our studio.

[Mal]

I'm not mad at that.

[Rory]

Parks a car outside. That just stays there.

[Mal]

Got you. Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, you know how the, like, the rays come up, like, when you get to the mission, like, we're right here. Is the mission.

[Mal]

Got you. Yeah.

[Rory]

And he sits there.

[Mal]

That would be pretty cool.

[Rory]

And then it's like you come in, like, hey, we're one of our family. It's just a gta. Whatever character they pick.

[Mal]

Oh, man. Before we leave, we do got to highlight. There's some new music. Rory. New music came out. We spoke about a little bit. Supreme clientele 2.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mal]

Shout out to Ghostface. Great project. Great album, man. It's just dope to see. You know, all the older guys, they say hip hop is a young man's sport, but it seems like all the older acts are putting out better albums. Better music. So shout out to Ghostface, Chance the Rapper.

[Rory]

Well, yeah, man. That's been out two weeks, right?

[Mal]

It's been two weeks. Oh, no. Offset.

[Rory]

Offset. Yes, Offset album.

[Mal]

Even though we've had it, but, you know.

[Rory]

Yeah, I like. There's joints on there that I like.

[Mal]

No, definitely.

[Rory]

As far as his solo projects, this is. This is definitely my favorite, but again.

[Mal]

This is his best. This is.

[Rory]

That's one of those. That I know I'm just gonna like certain records on those type of projects.

[Mal]

But, yeah, most artists, I only like Certain songs on that. On the album. So I take those songs and I'll go back to them a little bit. But this is. For me, this is Offset's best solo project.

[Rory]

But I have not. Not stop listening to that Chance album.

[Mal]

It's a good project.

[Rory]

I'm gonna have. Give it. Give it four weeks. I'm gonna start having some. Some crazy hot takes. Yeah, about that Chance album I've been playing. It's one. It's one of those.

[Mal]

To me, I've been playing the Bryson Tiller, the Devices, Jonas. It sounds good, man. Absolutely. I like the way he. I like the way he. I'm looking forward to the. The Solace, though. That's.

[Rory]

That's the one. I think that's gonna be for me.

[Mal]

The weather's changing.

[Rory]

That's the one for me.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I'm more concerned. I like, like vices don't.

[Mal]

Vices. No, it's. It's dope. But I like. I'm looking forward to. To the Solace project.

[Rory]

I want to wait for Damaris to get back to dive into Mariah the Scientist, because I know that's one of her favorite artists. We do have to have a Mariah scientist pen conversation one day. Okay, what's that top top ten right now?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Pen, I. I can see certain music not being for you or whatever. Pen. I don't know, man. Mariah might be top 10, I think. I think no matter what happens with Mariah's career, if. If Rihanna gets inspired, Mariah should be writing. She has that type of pen, in my opinion.

[Mal]

I never really listened to much of her music outside of, like, the songs that I go to. Because, you know, people on Instagram post the song and their reels and stuff like that. I'm like, damn, that sound dope. And I'll go to the song. Song. But I never really, like, got into her, like, music like that. Like, really just went and listened to all of her.

[Rory]

Now she. She be talking.

[Mal]

But the songs I've heard are dope, though.

[Rory]

I guess we'll just get the rest of this. This list off before we get out of here. Ice Spice Tease is a new song with Mia sample. Didn't hear it. Listen, coming off the. Denzel, sure.

[Mal]

I'm not letting you do that.

[Rory]

Do what, man?

[Mal]

Because. Because you sound like you're trying to on the Bronx Legend.

[Rory]

I'm not.

[Mal]

All right.

[Rory]

No, I capitalized like, okay. After Denzel was your supporting actor, like, her supporting. You gave Denzel a look. Now you trying to give Ma Mia look like I totally get it. Rampage Jackson, son. You're a dirtbag.

[Mal]

He's going to jail, and he should go to jail. He's going to prison, definitely, if he.

[Rory]

Doesn'T go to jail. Not that I don't question our judicial system because of Jussie Smollett, but what the.

[Mal]

Yeah, that was crazy.

[Rory]

That's the most sucker. Come on. Yeah, we're in a fake wrestling match and you start doing. That's the most sucker I've ever seen.

[Mal]

Yeah, that was crazy.

[Rory]

That's absolutely.

[Mal]

I think he's definitely going to prison for that.

[Rory]

Jadakiss and Beanie announced joint album. Is that fully confirmed, or is that a back and forth thing?

[Mal]

They. They were on IG on the video.

[Rory]

I saw it. I just didn't know. This is one of those times that I think think AI is a good thing. I would love for Beans to lay all of his vocals and have AI improve his voice based off the unfortunate situation he was put in that affected his voice. I think AI is good in this because I want to. Of course, I want to hear Kiss and Beans history, one of the greatest battles of all time.

[Mal]

Absolutely. Of course.

[Rory]

I want to hear Kiss and Beans together. I just hope they use AI and they will.

[Mal]

I think Beans has Beans right.

[Rory]

And lay everything down, but just.

[Mal]

I think he said that already. Yeah, he would definitely use that technology.

[Rory]

Just put his voice back to what it was. But I'm excited, though.

[Mal]

A lot of bars. A lot of bars. Yeah. They not rapping like kissing Beans. A lot of these dudes out here ain't rapping like that. I'm looking forward to that. Hopefully they make it happen, but I would love to hear that.

[Rory]

When was the last time you went back to that Kiss and Fab project?

[Mal]

Check. Sometime last year, I listened to a couple Jones. That album was dope, though.

[Rory]

Go back to it today.

[Mal]

It slept on.

[Rory]

That's going back to it today.

[Mal]

Yeah. Yeah. That's one of the most slept on projects in recent years. That.

[Rory]

That album is.

[Mal]

Yeah, absolutely. Freddie versus Jason, right? Yeah, it was some joints on there, definitely. I definitely. I think we had that conversation, though, that album.

[Rory]

I went back to it. That is crazy.

[Mal]

No. Yeah, that project was dope. That project was. I'm listening to it tonight. Yeah, that's gonna be my.

[Rory]

I mean, if only we were on the same label as Kiss and, like.

[Mal]

Could talk to him. That's a conversation for another day. Rory, we'll talk to y' all soon.

[Rory]

Can you ask Volume to see if we can get a Drake interview, see if they can reach out to his team.

[Mal]

Be safe, be blessed. We'll talk to y' all soon. I'm that nigga. He's just Ginger. Peace. No worrying now.

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[Mal]

Ugh.

[Colin Coward]

Come on.

[Rory]

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[Mal]

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[Rory]

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[Damaris]

This is an I Heart podcast.