Episode 403 | The Jeffrey Files

Summary

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New Rory & MAL – Episode 403 | "The Jeffrey Files"

Release Date: September 9, 2025
Hosts: Rory, Mall, Damaris
Theme: The team delivers their trademark blend of humor, music industry hot takes, and sharply opinionated cultural commentary, diving deep into the impact of the Young Thug (Jeffrey) jail leaks, the decline of music award shows, shifting dynamics in hip-hop, social media antics, and, of course, plenty of hilarious tangents.

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Main Themes & Purpose

This episode centers around the recent flood of Young Thug’s jail phone call leaks ("The Jeffrey Files"), their implications on hip-hop culture, authenticity, and relationships. The crew dissects how these leaks—and an in-depth interview with Big Bank—shape perceptions of “snitching,” loyalty, and the blurred lines between the street and music industries. Along the way, they dish on the state of award shows (especially the VMAs), the Cardi B and Doja Cat marketing strategies, the ever-present drama around Ice Spice, rappers and pop stardom, and why last names matter in modern families.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Birthday Banter & Aging in Hip-Hop

• The episode kicks off with jokes about Maul's upcoming birthday and the group’s ages.
• Virgo or Libra: Damaris insists Maul is a Libra, not a Virgo, leading to playful debate about zodiac stereotypes.
  • “You’re not old for the Earth. You’re old for the room.” – Rory (03:30)
• Maul contemplates a vacation for his birthday—cue jokes about "porn stars and cameras."

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2. Cleaning, Gender Roles, and Internet Sensitivities

• Rory’s daughter is learning to clean—he posts a video, and friends accuse him of misogyny for making his daughter do chores.
  • “You think I yelled her back in the kitchen after she was done?” – Rory (08:12)
• They riff on generational differences in "home training," cleaning, and class dynamics.

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3. The Decline of Award Shows: Are the VMAs Over?

(10:09–16:21)

• None of the hosts watched the VMAs live.
  • Damaris: “I think we’ve just aged out. I don’t think the people have stopped caring about the VMAs.” (11:01)
• Rory bemoans the lack of comedy and relevant performers:
  • “Why aren't they giving Drewski the bag to do real skits...Drewski should be hosting this.” – Rory (11:48)
• Recap of the performers: Mariah Carey, Steven Tyler, Lady Gaga, Busta Rhymes, Post Malone, Jelly Roll, and more.
• They argue there are fewer new superstars to lean on:
  • “This new generation doesn’t have superstars...There’s no new superstars—at least hip-hop or R&B—that’s going to run the show.” - Rory (14:59)
• Marketing talk: Cardi B’s street-level “vinyl selling” stunt praised for connecting with fans in a unique way.

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4. Women in Hip-Hop: Doja Cat, Nicki Minaj & Pop vs Rap

(20:00–23:55)

• Maul praises Doja Cat’s performances.
  • “She’s Madonna, she’s Janet, she’s Paula Abdul. She embodies the '80s and '90s pop.” - Maul (20:38)
• Debate over why Nicki Minaj isn’t regarded as “pop” in the same way as Doja.
• Damaris clarifies: Doja started as pop, Nicki transitioned from rap, so audience perceptions differ.

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5. Safari, Yoko Ono, and the Art of Leeching the Stage

• Hilarious tangent breaking down Safari’s infamous performance beside Nicki Minaj and Will I Am on Letterman.
  • “Two icons are performing on Letterman...and you have Safari standing like this.” – Rory (24:16)
• Yoko Ono’s “screaming” with Chuck Berry and John Lennon is likened to enabling, as the hosts ponder what drives some partners' willingness to let others leech their spotlight.

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6. Ice Spice vs Lotto: Clock’s Still Ticking?

(34:54–38:21)

• Rory claims Lotto did Ice Spice a favor with their new collaboration.
  • “Lotto has a career. Ice Spice is finding moments.” - Rory (36:43)
• Argument over who is “bigger.” Damaris defends Ice Spice’s impact but concedes Lotto’s consistency.
• Rory’s ongoing “clock is ticking” metaphor for Ice Spice’s career longevity:
  • “Y’all make me out to be the biggest Ice Spice hater—I’m not. She just keeps finding moments to save her, while Lotto doesn’t have to do that.” (38:07)

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7. Young Thug – The Jeffrey Files: Jail Leaks, Snitching, and Street Rules

(39:04–54:00)

• The “leaked” jail calls and interview with Big Bank spur a nuanced debate on "snitch" labels and community perception.
• Maul: “Putting that on someone is a very serious title...but if nobody got incarcerated because of what you said?” (45:19)
• Rory and Maul discuss the shifting goalposts around street credibility and the internet’s insatiable appetite for drama.
• Damaris and Maul agree the interview was well-conducted, holding Thug accountable, but acknowledge that nothing will override a hot new Thug album in the public’s mind.

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8. Internet Jokes, Loyalty, and Thug’s Gaslighting

• The internet piles on Thug’s remarks about sexuality and loyalty.
  • “Being like Sammy the Bull is the same as Jason Lee is the funniest thing to me.” – Rory (48:16)
• Thug’s gaslighting apology tweets dissected.
  • “He spun the police. I don’t think he’s a rat. I really think he was spinning the cops, bro.” – Rory (73:06)
• Comparison of loyalty in street culture vs. romantic relationships; Damaris debunks "being young" as an excuse for cheating.
  • “You want somebody to be loyal to you but you can’t keep your dick between your legs…Don’t preach me loyalty.” – Damaris (73:49)

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9. Aftermath: Does Thug’s Interview Change Anything? (50:13–54:00)

• Mall: "I'm still on the side that nobody cares. As long as he puts out music that people like...nobody really cares."
• Discussion on who will work with Thug or Gunna in Atlanta post-leaks, and how industry politics—especially relationships with figures like P from QC—may complicate things.

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10. Blending Street and Industry: Is It Time to Separate?

• Mall asks: “Are we finally at a point where we need to have the conversation—listen, we’re doing this to get away from that...let’s not blend the two?” (57:25)
• Reflection on hip-hop's roots, authenticity, and the tension between business and "realness."

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11. Family Names & Gender/Ego in Modern Parenting

(79:17–92:46)

• Spirited debate: Is it wrong for Ciara to let her son take the last name “Wilson” alongside “Wilburn” while Future is still in the picture?
  • “Nothing is more important than your last name, your legacy, your family.” – Rory (87:31)
  • Damaris: “That’s so ego driven...Somebody else is there every day with your son and you’re that worried about it?” (87:19)
• Discussion segues into last name traditions, hyphenation, and co-parenting dynamics.

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12. Relationships, Friendships, and Social Obligations

• Listener voicemail: Should she invite a friend (now estranged) to her baby shower?
  • Damaris: “Don't invite her. It's given that y’all not friends.” (100:47)
  • Mall: “You just outgrow each other; life takes you in different directions.” (100:56)
• Larger point on outgrowing friendships, wedding/baby shower politics, and the discomfort of confrontation.
  • "If you care about this person, call and ask what's up—don't be afraid of the uncomfortable conversation.” – Damaris (116:56)

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13. Funny & Personal Moments

• Rory’s uncle’s ashes are (unsuccessfully) scattered at Yankee Stadium—only to blow onto Jerome Avenue.
• Jokes about wills, death, and legal agreements in business.
• Playful speculation about Maul and Rory marrying each other as their true life partners.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

| Time | Quote | Speaker | |---------|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------|-----------| | 03:30 | "You’re not old for the Earth. You’re old for the room." | Rory | | 11:01 | "I think we’ve just aged out. I don’t think the people have stopped caring..." | Damaris | | 14:59 | "This new generation doesn’t have superstars...There’s no new superstars..." | Rory | | 20:38 | "She’s Madonna, she’s Janet, she’s Paula Abdul. She embodies the '80s pop..." | Maul | | 24:16 | "Two icons are performing on Letterman...and you have Safari standing like this."| Rory | | 36:43 | "Lotto has a career. Ice Spice is finding moments." | Rory | | 45:19 | "Putting that on someone is a very serious title...but if nobody got incarcerated because of what you said?" | Maul | | 73:49 | "You want somebody to be loyal to you but you can’t keep your dick between your legs…Don’t preach me loyalty." | Damaris | | 87:31 | "My name has my daddy’s blood on it. Nothing is more important than your last name, your legacy, your family." | Rory |

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Segment Timestamps (Selection)

• Birthday Banter & Aging: 02:45–06:20
• Gender, Cleaning & Culture: 07:31–10:09
• Award Shows/VMAs: 10:09–20:00
• Women in Hip-Hop/Pop Debate: 20:00–23:55
• Safari & Yoko Ono Tangents: 23:55–28:02
• Cardi’s Marketing: 17:33–18:51
• Ice Spice vs Lotto: 34:54–38:21
• The Jeffrey Files – Young Thug Leaks & Interview: 39:04–54:00
• Cheating, Loyalty & Gaslighting: 61:35–75:01
• Family Names & Legacy: 79:17–92:46
• Friendship & Invitations (Voicemail): 99:06–116:56

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Tone & Style

• Classic New Rory & MAL: Irreverent, honest, sometimes confrontational, but always funny and analytical.
• Language remains authentic to their style: playful swearing, sharp asides, and deep music/culture knowledge.
• Affectionate bickering and transparent disagreements provide both comic relief and thoughtful context.

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Summary Takeaways

• The Jeffrey Files episode explores the ever-messy intersection of street life, loyalty, and the changing rules of both hip-hop and celebrity culture in the age of social media.
• With humor and candor, the crew examines Young Thug’s leaked jail calls, debates the decline of the award-show era, and checks the pulse of today’s female rap scene.
• Episode highlights include reflective discussions about the meaning of legacy, friendship, loyalty, and why sometimes personal drama is more compelling than the art itself.

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Transcript

[Damaris]

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[Mall]

The volume.

[Rory]

No worry about Happy birthday to Peach. Peach's birthday is sponsored by Boost.

[Mall]

Absolutely. He's. I don't know if you knew that or not.

[Rory]

It's. It's in the contract.

[Mall]

Your birthday is definitely sponsored by Boost.

[Rory]

My mother's birthday is sponsored by Peace. I don't know.

[Mall]

You get unlimited talk. Texting dad on your birthday, you know, for just 25amonth.

[Rory]

A lot of birthday texts. You know how that can go.

[Mall]

First month is on me. Peach, I got you. Don't you. Don't. Don't even trip. I got 25.

[Rory]

That's just code Mall, not you.

[Mall]

That's just me right there. I got you. Don't worry about that. Happy birthday, my guy. Peach, though.

[Rory]

Yeah, man, I'm. I'm. I didn't know Peach was that old. I thought we were closer in age.

[Mall]

Peach is not old.

[Rory]

He's not old at all.

[Mall]

No, I'm old. Actually, I'm not old, but I'm older.

[Rory]

You're not old for the Earth. You're old for the room.

[Mall]

Thank you, Rory. That the Earth.

[Rory]

But like this.

[Mall]

That really helps me.

[Rory]

That the Earth being on Earth. You're not old. Yeah, what I'm saying, like, there's older people, but, like, in the room.

[Mall]

Yes, there are older people on Earth to me. Where I'm not the oldest man on Earth.

[Rory]

In the room, though.

[Mall]

You are in the room. Yes, in this room.

[Damaris]

Maybe on a block.

[Mall]

I am on this block, Damaris. I'm not. See, because I don't want to get demonetized. I'm not gonna curse at you, but seven seconds means we passed. Seven. Good. We in the clear. Hey, Damaris, you all right?

[Rory]

Well, Maul, you have a birthday coming up.

[Mall]

I do have a birthday coming up. Getting older, Damaris. Older. I now be the oldest nigga on both of these blocks.

[Damaris]

46.

[Mall]

Stop playing with me, yo.

[Rory]

How?

[Damaris]

I don't know.

[Mall]

All right, so then you shut up. Stop guessing. Stop trying to get me to talk.

[Rory]

It's kind of close, though, right?

[Mall]

No, she's off. She's off a little bit.

[Damaris]

44.

[Mall]

44.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Mall]

Yes.

[Rory]

Oh, we look great.

[Mall]

Thank you.

[Rory]

What are you gonna do for your birthday? Virgo babies. Virgo season. How come you guys like. Oh, everyone, watch out. The Virgos are coming.

[Damaris]

He's a Libra.

[Mall]

I saw somebody pro.

[Rory]

Oh, you're a Libra?

[Mall]

Yes, I'm a Libra.

[Rory]

Oh, not all of September is not Virgo. See? I see. I don't know.

[Mall]

Yeah, who cares?

[Rory]

I just assumed September was.

[Mall]

Who's counting?

[Damaris]

I think after the 2020.

[Mall]

If you want me to be a Virgo, Rory, I'll be a Virgo for you. I'm a Virgo, Yes.

[Damaris]

No, you ain't a Virgo. You're very much a Libra.

[Mall]

How am I very much a Libra? Explain it to Mar. What makes me Virgo.

[Damaris]

Very charming Libras. Very balanced. Very shallow.

[Mall]

A little bit, but you're very shallow as well.

[Damaris]

I am not shallow.

[Mall]

What?

[Damaris]

I am not shallow.

[Mall]

You was as shallow as that water you fell in in that pool when you was trying to make that video.

[Damaris]

That was deep. That water was deep. You see, I stood and was still in the war. Like.

[Mall]

How's that bruise doing you good?

[Damaris]

It's the bruises healing up. Yes.

[Mall]

Okay. Yes.

[Damaris]

Broke my coochie like Issa said, but broke my coochie.

[Mall]

Issa said she broke her coochie broken.

[Damaris]

You remember?

[Rory]

No, wasn't that. It was Molly that had the broken.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but Issa sung it.

[Mall]

Oh, yes, she did. She. She did. I missed that show.

[Damaris]

I do, too.

[Mall]

I miss Insecure Sundays.

[Rory]

Well, anyways, merch is on sale right now.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

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[Mall]

Not yet. I think I'm gonna go away, though. I think I'm gonna take a little vacation.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

Yeah, I'm not sure where.

[Rory]

You say that a lot. And then you stay in your house.

[Mall]

No, no, this, this birthday, I'm gonna go away for sure. I'm gonna take a trip.

[Rory]

I guarantee you come Wednesday before his birthday. Just gonna go see. See mom and my sister.

[Mall]

No, I'm gonna do that this weekend.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

Yeah, I'm gonna do that this weekend.

[Rory]

So that weekend I can leave a spot in mind.

[Mall]

Not yet. I've been looking at Maris could be a tour guide. The Maris could be a tour guide. She travels often. I don't know. I've been looking at some places in Mexico. I've been looking at some places in the Caribbean. Virgin Islands.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

Just trying to see, you know what I like. Take a little vacation, get some sun.

[Damaris]

If you want to sk the hurricane season, you could go to the ABC Islands, which is what I did. Like the Aruba, Bonaire, Curacao. They miss hurricane season cuz they're out of the hurricane belt.

[Rory]

So.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, I was looking at all of that.

[Rory]

This is like a Doo trip. Or maybe like a. I don't know, lucky, lucky lady.

[Mall]

Or I don't know, I might take like three fellas, three porn stars with me.

[Rory]

That's fun.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that's fun.

[Mall]

You know, just have some fun.

[Rory]

I mean, just. Just let us know what island you go to. I think I'm free. That.

[Damaris]

Damn. You always inviting yourself somewhere.

[Rory]

All right, if Maul goes to an island with three porn stars and tells, like, it's an island, though. Like, I could just go. I'm not invited. But, like, if we run into each other, there's only so many resorts. Yeah, I don't think that's inviting yourself.

[Mall]

Oh, you can stay.

[Rory]

Like, I like Arula.

[Mall]

Yeah, Come on, Pull up. It's all good.

[Rory]

And like, of course we'll take the week off because it's your birthday, so I'll have the time.

[Mall]

Yeah. I might as well bring the cameras. Might as well bring some porn stars. There's porn stars. We need cameras, you know, that. Can't have a porn star without a camera.

[Rory]

That's what. That's what I mean. By definition, they'd just be.

[Mall]

Exactly, exactly, exactly.

[Rory]

But did anyone do anything fun this weekend? I was on daddy duty pretty much the entire time, trying to teach my daughter how to clean.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah?

[Mall]

How's it going?

[Rory]

Good so far. She. She likes cleaning now because she thinks it's fun. Like, she gets the Swiffer. It. It's fun for now.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But I'm gonna see how long that's gonna last.

[Mall]

Well, that's good.

[Rory]

And I posted on my close friends, and this is where I think a lot of my friends are pieces of. Because everyone was DMing me back saying that it was misogynistic, that I was making Amara vacuum.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

And to me, that makes. That's not misogyn. Everyone should know how to clean. You're misogynistic for thinking I did it just cuz she was a girl.

[Mall]

That's. That is true. Yeah.

[Rory]

You think I yelled her back in the kitchen after she was done?

[Mall]

Yeah. Everybody should know cleaning is fun.

[Rory]

I've met a lot of adults. I love. I love cleaning. Yeah, it's therapeutic. I've met a lot of adults that don't have any home training. And I don't want my kid to go out into the world.

[Mall]

No.

[Rory]

Like, adults that don't know how to properly clean a bathroom is just.

[Damaris]

It's.

[Rory]

It's odd to me.

[Mall]

Those are one of the things I never. How do you not know how to clean a bathroom?

[Damaris]

No, you'd be surprised.

[Mall]

Like, how do you not know how to clean? Like, just think about that. How do you not know how to clean, period? But how do you not know how to clean a bathroom?

[Rory]

Either you had dirty parents or really rich parents. I guess it's either. I don't know if there's a gray area there. It's either like, you had a maid or you just had the dirtiest house ever.

[Mall]

Yeah, I just don't get that you don't know how to clean. That's like.

[Damaris]

Well, you do have to be taught how to clean properly.

[Rory]

Yeah, you do.

[Mall]

But even if you're not, like, I think you just end up picking up on how to clean. Like, even if you had parents that weren't, like, the cleanest, like, as an adult, like, I know some people who, you know, growing up, they didn't have the cleanest of houses, but now they have. The houses are spectacular. Like, it's like, wow. Like, they taught themselves how to. You know what I mean? Like, if they. Even if they weren't handed that, it was like. You pick up on that?

[Rory]

Yeah. I mean, I don't know. My. My mother was very clean and taught me how to clean, so I don't know how that looks like, if you weren't taught how to. Like, I wasn't really taught how to cook. I kind of taught myself how to cook. I'm not great at it, but. Yeah, you pick.

[Mall]

You pick up on it.

[Rory]

But I feel like someone should teach you how to clean a toilet. Like, just spraying the shit in there. And, like, people know how to sweep.

[Mall]

That's not cleaning, right? Yeah, I don't. I don't know how people don't know how to clean.

[Rory]

But, you know, you gotta get on.

[Damaris]

Your hands and knees and hit them fucking corners of, like, the baseboards on the corners. You gotta hit them corners, hands and knees.

[Mall]

Hands with a bowl.

[Damaris]

With a bowl of pine saw and bleach and dawn and just pass out.

[Mall]

Scrubbing the corners of the floor, breathing all them fumes. Get lightheaded, crack a window.

[Rory]

Over the weekend, the VMAs did happen, and it wasn't because I was on dad duty. I had literally no interest in watching the VMAs. I thought you were gonna come here, talk your. You and I have had this Mariah argument that you made up, all because I said I wasn't familiar. I thought you would come here talking your.

[Mall]

That.

[Rory]

That your girl got the Vanguard Award, which is very much deserved. And her performance was incredible. Mariah is still Mariah Even when it's not December. I thought you come here a little bit more in bravado.

[Damaris]

I'm a terrible podcast personality because I didn't even. I didn't watch the VMAs. I didn't even know the VMAs were going on until, like, I got on Instagram last night. And I damn sure didn't know that Mariah received anything until you just told me.

[Rory]

All right, do you think that's you being a bad podcaster or it just being kind of over for people caring about the VMAs? Because there was a time when we all, as a family, sat on the Internet just so we could commentate on the VMAs.

[Damaris]

I think that we. I don't think that the people have stopped caring about the VMAs. I think we've aged out. I don't think we're.

[Rory]

I mean, Mariah's here.

[Damaris]

I mean, Mariah's here because they're giving her an award the same way that they used to give back in the day. We used to watch Diana Ross and Luther get award.

[Rory]

Instead of Drew Ski hosting, they got LL Cool J. And I love ll. Don't get it twisted, but I feel like they're skewing more towards old people. Like, Steven Tyler performed.

[Damaris]

Oh, wow. Well, yeah, I didn't. I guess I just didn't know.

[Rory]

Busta, who I love, always want bus to perform, but I feel like they skewed more towards us than anybody.

[Damaris]

They should have advertised it better to us because I had no idea that any of those people were performing. I only knew LL Coj was hosting. Cuz I looked up when I was in Midtown yesterday and was like, oh, luj's hosting the VMAs. Like, that's what.

[Rory]

What has been in these boardrooms. The reason why comedians are, like, no longer hosting these types of things. I mean, Grant, I know Shane Gillis just did the sp, but that was, like, standard for all award shows. Not so much the VMAs, but in general. That there was always a comedian. Like, why they're not giving Drew Ski the bag to do, like, real skits about award shows while he's hosting is beyond me. Yeah, Like, Drew Ski should be hosting this. Drewski is funny. He can deliver. He's creative. He understands what's going on in the industry and the culture. Like, I love Ello. He's great. Go. But why would he need to host? Why?

[Mall]

Because it's ll. I mean, it's the name at this point. It's the name LL is, you know, he's, he's hosted awards before.

[Rory]

We, we live in, we live in the Clip Society whether we like it or not.

[Mall]

Do you want pushing malice or.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Damaris]

Yeah, it was funny.

[Rory]

Right now the only clip I'm seeing on YouTube VMA is 2025 is, is LL Cool J opening. That's two minutes long. Go look at what Shane Gillis ESPN monologue is for the SPS.

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

I think if you want to make a moment because that's what I mean. Award shows just by statistically across the board, no matter what the genre is or award show are, are dying the same way everything in TV world because I mean we, we're tuned into Netflix, Hulu. People just aren't on TV like that and they get their content in other places. So if you're one, if you want to create these moments and create these clips and get people excited, why are you not having more comedic stuff happening during these shows?

[Mall]

Yeah, but I think even if you have somebody like a Drew ski hosting in VMAs, I don't know if it does much for the, for the VMAs. I don't know if the viewership is up or not.

[Rory]

I'm saying just more so on the clip related things. I'm not going to sit here and play Monday morning quarterback and act like I know what would get ratings with a TV network for an award show. I'm saying just based off someone that missed the show and was looking at the clips on YouTube because that's, that's the world that we live in. Yeah, I, it feels disconnected in my opinion.

[Mall]

Well, the Soul Train Awards were canceled, right? What other awards was canceled? The BET Awards. The bet Hip Hop Awards.

[Rory]

Yes, I'm BET Awards now. And even, even with the BET Awards, I mean I know the Hip Hop Awards was where the ciphers were, but why don't you merge those two things in like the only reason people were really watching these things was because of the ciphers. And even if you didn't see the show, the ciphers would go crazy on YouTube, which is a huge platform for Viacom no matter what. I just feel like award shows are running away from the things that actually track of like why we are really here for that.

[Mall]

I mean I think that, you know, it's just a, a sign of the times. We see so much of these celebrities and artists daily on social media. We have so many other performance platforms now. Things like that to where, you know, Soul train award or BET hip hop award or even the VMAs doesn't have the lore that it once had.

[Rory]

Yeah. And I think it also goes back to what we've always discussed, that this new generation doesn't really have superstars. Of course, there's. In the pop world, they had Sabrina Carpenter perform, but like we were just saying, it skews old. Steven Tyler, Lady Gaga, Mariah Carey, Busta Rhymes, Post Malone, and Jelly Roll. I mean, Post, I still think is now getting closer to legacy. He's been out for over a decade. There's no new superstars that at least hip hop or R B is gonna run. Like, I can't wait to see that. Like, when Beyonce and Kendrick were performing at the BET Awards, when Lemonade came out, like, we all stopped what we were doing. Who, like, what? We can't wait for the little baby performance. Like, yeah. What is a word? Who does. They did their best. Like, who could you. I could never even critique someone in that. That, that boardroom of like. Well, I got Lady Gaga and Steven Tyler. Like, all right, you did your job.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, definitely. No, the names.

[Rory]

Who do they even have to, like, pick from with the new generation? All right, Travis Scott will put on an incredible performance, but I don't know if Travis Scott is taking his time out to go do not without a new album or a new song. He's. He's trying to push because it's not that important to him and it shouldn't be. So, yeah, you should go with the. The Tik Tok stars who go with the comedians. Music is dead. Like, just go with the. Go with the funny.

[Mall]

Who performed again?

[Rory]

Rye, Carrie, Sabrina Carpenter, Lady Gaga, Stephen Tyler, lol, Young, Post Malone, Jelly Roll, J. Balvin, DJ Snake.

[Mall]

Oh, there you go. They ain't got. They ain't got none of us up there.

[Rory]

Who. Who. Who would they pick?

[Damaris]

I'm just saying, coming out, that does good performances.

[Mall]

Now, I will say this, though.

[Rory]

I think. I think Cardi should have performed. She has an album coming out in 10 days.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Imaginary Players probably gotten performed.

[Rory]

Yeah, I think that would have went crazy. Wait, you don't think people. We were at the. The WWE when she came out and people liked it.

[Damaris]

You don't think that Cardi should perform her new single for an upcoming album at the Video Music Awards?

[Rory]

I'm saying that doesn't make sense.

[Damaris]

Dude.

[Mall]

I'm not mad at that, but I don't know. I don't know if I would have wanted to see that, though. Not mad at it.

[Damaris]

Well, whether you wanted to see it or not. Yeah, that's not really what we was talking about. We were saying that she should have done it. That's. That just marketing wise. That makes sense.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Damaris]

That's usually what happens when people have new albums coming out.

[Rory]

I have liked Cardi's marketing so far, at least on socials. I think what she was doing.

[Damaris]

Selling the.

[Rory]

Selling her vinyls on. On 2 5th with the incense and like, I. I like that type of.

[Mall]

She was not on 2 5th selling.

[Rory]

Yes, she was. With the blanket laid out and everything in the.

[Damaris]

In the.

[Mall]

She was on 125th street selling.

[Rory]

I don't know if it was 2 5th, but it was. It was in the city somewhere.

[Mall]

No, can we pull it up for.

[Rory]

I just. I said. And it was.

[Mall]

Niggas wasn't out there, like, running down on Cardi.

[Damaris]

Like, the security was everywhere.

[Mall]

I saw an Instagram job on 125th Street. That's crazy. If she did that. That's wild.

[Rory]

But I mean, I think that type of marketing is like, what's kind of needed right now, especially for her, too. And, like, even this whole story of, like, I'm a. I'm a single mother and I need to sell. I need to sell. My label says I need to sell these. Like, her personality is always her gold. So I think this has been great, what she's been doing.

[Mall]

That is 125th Street.

[Rory]

I think it's great.

[Damaris]

With the. With the 125th K Lonnie hoodie on that, you know, she got from her. The vendor next door.

[Rory]

100 with the hat on. Yeah. I think this type of stuff is. Is. Is what connects. If you're gonna do ig like, this is the best way, in my opinion.

[Mall]

I'm looking forward to. I want to hit this album, though. I do. I do want to hear this project.

[Rory]

I just want to know if, like, somebody happened to be walking by and they were like, yeah, I got cash on me now. Is. Is the music on there? No.

[Damaris]

They probably should probably give them.

[Mall]

Probably just. Yeah, it's probably just blanks.

[Rory]

It's definitely just.

[Mall]

Yeah, it's probably just blank. Just the covers, but okay. I'm not mad at that.

[Rory]

Yeah. But not.

[Mall]

It would have been dope if there was. That was really the album and she was like, it was really for sale right there. That would have been fly.

[Rory]

I think. Would have. Would have been cool if she did this outside the Garden last night.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah. At the VMAs.

[Rory]

Like, if she did that.

[Mall]

It wasn't like, the Garden.

[Rory]

Oh, it wasn't.

[Mall]

You think the VMAs was at Madison Square Garden?

[Rory]

Damn. Am I getting that old?

[Mall]

You think?

[Rory]

Sobs.

[Mall]

That was in Long island at the USB Arena.

[Rory]

Oh, was it? Okay, I told you, I didn't watch it.

[Mall]

The vm. The Garden.

[Rory]

No, it used to be.

[Mall]

No. Yeah, when the VMAs was a thing.

[Rory]

Yeah, but also they have the theater in the Garden.

[Mall]

Yeah, no, that was in Long, bro. That was.

[Rory]

Well, then, never mind, Cardi, because the Van Wick is.

[Mall]

That's Long island, right? The USB Arena. UBS Arena. Excuse me. Usb.

[Rory]

You're confusing your letters like, young man.

[Mall]

Listen, man, I'm dyslexic. What do you want me to do? But I did love. I did love Doja Cat's performance, though.

[Rory]

You love anything. Doja.

[Mall]

Doja is incredible. I don't. I don't know how people don't talk about Doja. Doja is.

[Damaris]

People talk about Doja all the time.

[Mall]

Do they?

[Rory]

24 7. She's one of the biggest artists.

[Damaris]

You're not the target's audience, but. Yes.

[Rory]

Yo, talk about thinking about some underground. No, y' all up on this do.

[Mall]

No, but the more. The way I hear people see people talking about the cardies and the lottos and the met, it's like, yo, y', all, this DOA is light years ahead of all of these other artists y' all talking about.

[Damaris]

DOA is in a. DOA has a different audience than the rest of them. So she's a different artist about more than them, but she has really different.

[Mall]

Yes.

[Damaris]

A pop superstar. Yes.

[Mall]

Doja is incredible. She's in, like, Everything about Doja Cat, to me, is like, she's. She's like. She's Madonna, she's Janet, she's Paula Abdul. She's very much Paula Cyndi Lauper. She's fucking. She's just. She embodies, like, the 80s pop, 90s pop. Like, she is incredible. Doja Cat is incredible.

[Rory]

Okay, why don't we view Nikki the same way, too? Is Nikki not a. A pop star, too?

[Mall]

Nicki is a pop star.

[Rory]

I mean, I know the answer to this question, but. And I. I love Doja. I think she's super talented. But at the end of the day, she is a rapper. Like, she could really rap.

[Mall]

She can rap. She can sing.

[Rory]

All of her music is rooted very much in hip hop. Even her pop records can't.

[Damaris]

No, it's not. She can rap, and she does rap very well. But the majority of Doja's main music is not traditional hip Hop. Doja is more pop than Nikki. Nikki's pop because she's popular and she, like, she makes pop.

[Rory]

What's pills and Poison? What's Starship? Yes.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Those are pop records. Yeah, but. But Doja is more traditional pop than Nicki Mina.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You guys would say her last. What was her last album even labeled as Doja?

[Mall]

Yeah, I think that was.

[Damaris]

Her last name was rap because it was a rap album.

[Rory]

Remember?

[Mall]

It was rap, hip hop, I think.

[Rory]

Okay. So I guess my point still stands. And why is she not twice? Nikki not said to be the same.

[Damaris]

But people have been saying Nikki. People have always said that Nikki's a pop star.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Damaris]

Yeah, Nikki's been up. Nicki's been. Nicki was one of the first, like, pop rap, like superstars. Nikki's a pop star.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Damaris]

But Nicki is all. Will always be a rap star first.

[Mall]

Yeah, Doja.

[Rory]

Why isn't Doja that.

[Damaris]

Because Doja was known as a pop star first. Y' all didn't discover that Doja Cow.

[Rory]

Was a rap song.

[Damaris]

Okay. Y' all didn't discover that Doja could rap until, like, y' all started really listening. Like, oh, Doja could rap, whereas Nicki came out rapping and then she turned into a pop star.

[Rory]

Well, different times and different approaches because one was coming up through, like, smack dvd come up DVD type thing.

[Mall]

But yeah, one was in the studio with stat. Like, it's just a different.

[Rory]

Yeah, one was with Fendi. One was with.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Doja makes dancing a thing. And, like, when you make dancing and performing a thing, it helps with the whole pop star thing.

[Rory]

What do you think Nikki Safaree and Will I Am did on. On Letterman?

[Mall]

That's a legendary. That's a legendary performance. That is a legendary performance.

[Rory]

When we interview.

[Mall]

Don't get enough credit for that. When we don't get enough.

[Rory]

When we interview Safari. There's been, like, very few real regrets in my life. Yeah, that's part of life you gotta live with regrets. There's one that, like, keeps me up at night, and it's not doing a full video breakdown with Safari of him standing like this for a minute. 30.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

To the side. Yeah.

[Mall]

Listen, man, he's doing it. He was doing what he had to do. It's part of the performance.

[Rory]

No, it wasn't.

[Mall]

It was.

[Rory]

Nobody could ever say Nicki Minaj was a bad girlfriend. No. All right, you're with Will. I Am who I've given lately, but Will I am is 1000%. I don't need to tell You a icon. Nicki Minaj a icon. Even at that time, she was getting into her icon step.

[Mall]

Safari icon.

[Rory]

Two icons are performing on Letterman.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Another icon. You know, people have waited their whole life for David Letterman to introduce you.

[Mall]

Yeah. Look at Safari getting this off.

[Rory]

And she let her boyfriend, which by like, they're all in this futuristic look and everything. The dance was Safari's in a pink T shirt and a fitted. Standing like this.

[Mall]

Yeah. But he was part of.

[Rory]

Nobody can even see.

[Mall]

What if. What if it comes to find out that Safari did the choreography first?

[Rory]

Oh, he didn't give him his flowers.

[Mall]

He's gonna give him his flowers then. See, that's what I'm saying. Give Safari's flowers.

[Rory]

Everyone watching Letterman that night was like, yeah, I've heard of this Nikki girl. I think I've heard. Will I am. Who the is this guy in the pink T shirt doing the robot? He's still sitting like this.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Fan. You could have just came off camera. Like, you didn't even need to be in frame. You think everyone right now is watching like, damn, what happens when that guy.

[Mall]

I guarantee. I guarantee you people in the audience was like, yo, but when is. When is he gonna get into his thing? Like, he's just standing here, part of the set.

[Rory]

What's this little Easter egg in the back? Josh, can you skip? Because I'm telling you, it's like a minute 45. Like, safaree stays like this. You have to go far into the performance. Yeah, he's still there. We're at a minute. We're at 229.

[Mall]

Oh, get it to your shit. Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, he could have been a dancer the whole time. We didn't need him. Now he's going to split. Two icons. Nicki Minaj is the greatest girlfriend of all time.

[Mall]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Rory]

What is Safari doing?

[Mall]

And he got the shirt on like, you know, when the album dropping. Yeah. That's what he was supposed to do.

[Rory]

So what number was Will I am on the. The greatest producers of. Of the 21st century.

[Mall]

Safaree should have been right.

[Rory]

Nicki Minaj, the greatest female rapper of all time. Will I am icon changed the sound of music. And then you have Safari.

[Mall]

It changed the way in a pink T shirt.

[Rory]

It's not even the aesthetic of this performance.

[Mall]

Yeah. Pink Friday. He's letting you know. I bet you. I bet you everybody knew when Pink Friday was coming out, though.

[Rory]

How do you think he pitched this to Nikki? Like, I need to know when they were in rehearsals. Like, what. How Safaree.

[Mall]

Nikki probably was like, yo, she knows Safaree could dance like he could pop.

[Damaris]

No, that ain't it. Y' all ain't seen Safaree nudes. I have. I understand why he was up on that stage.

[Mall]

All right, well, you know, you're gonna.

[Damaris]

I'm just saying. Hey, dog.

[Mall]

No, you're gonna always win that. Once you say a guy's nudes, you won. Like, I don't. I can't even. I can't even go back and forth with you.

[Damaris]

I understand why he was up on that stage. I probably would have let that do anything, too. Hey, man.

[Rory]

All right. In her defense. In her defense, I've always wondered how good Yoko Ono's must have been, because that's another one. John Lennon. John Lennon got to perform with his idol, Chuck Berry on what was American Bandstand. What? It was Letterman became the guy, but it was the guy before that and.

[Mall]

Let Yoko get her off.

[Rory]

Yoko on there playing the tam. She got a microphone. She's screaming with Chuck Berry.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, how good a pussy you gotta have? Where you could just let your girl get a cowbell, tambourine, a microphone. When you get to perform with your idol.

[Mall]

Fire. Look at her.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah. She on a bongo. She starts screaming at one point.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah.

[Damaris]

Some gas.

[Rory]

Look at Chuck Berry face clock.

[Mall]

What is this bitch doing? Clocking. That's the greatest. That's like. That's Chuck Berry. Like, he's like, that was awesome.

[Rory]

Like, created rock and roll.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, I need to know in the rehearsals, like, how John even pitched that to Chuck. Like. Yeah. Now I'm gonna have this crazy scream during the whole time. Imagine trying to tell Will. I am. And Jimmy Iovine. Yeah. My boyfriend's gonna wear a pink T shirt and do the robot. Yeah. Fire on David Letterman.

[Mall]

Fire. Well, shout out to Doja Cat and everybody else at the VMAs. I don't know how much longer the VMAs has, but I think they're on the clock.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Always saying, somebody on the clock.

[Mall]

I think the VMAs is on the clock, baby. They ain't gonna lie. Soul Train wards out of here. Soul Train is probably more legendary than the VMAs. Correct.

[Rory]

For sure. I mean, I think that goes.

[Mall]

If they got rid of the Soul Train Awards, ain't nobody saying so.

[Damaris]

They've been got rid of the Social Awards and then brought it back. Sorry to interrupt you. They have got rid of. Got rid of it before and then, like, brought it back.

[Mall]

Yeah, But I think VMAs is on the way. I ain't gonna lie.

[Rory]

I'm not saying soul music isn't created these days, but it's not popular. Like, I remember when Ari was tight, when Shea Butter Baby came out and it's like, wait, I made. Like this is made for your award show and I'm not even getting nominated? They don't even nominate Social. So. Yeah, I mean, I. I understand that part. No worry. Mall, you know nothing about phones. We've established that. I ask you every time you know nothing. You'd see a phone plan and go, wow, what a great price. Then you get your bill back and be like, surprise.

[Mall]

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[Rory]

But speaking of clocks, is Ice Spice back on? Did she punch back in?

[Damaris]

Here we go.

[Rory]

Because you guys were giving me my flower. Sort of. I'll tell you this, I still don't think her a lot of like each other.

[Damaris]

Stop.

[Mall]

Well, they got the record together now, right?

[Damaris]

In the video she got that cap. He want that?

[Rory]

Yeah, it's a cool record. I'm not mad at the record and when I'm not mad at the video. But I could tell by the chemistry. They did not. That was never pieced up.

[Damaris]

I was horny watching the video. I ain't couldn't pay attention to no. And I don't even be liking them. You know them pales, they beautiful. They looked great.

[Mall]

I didn't see the video.

[Damaris]

No, those is not up. Those are not as pale as these two.

[Rory]

These two pale like the record's cool. I don't know if it'll work because it's not for me. If the chicks like it, I like it. If it gets ass shaking at the hookah lounge, I'm all the way with it.

[Mall]

I didn't hear it yet.

[Rory]

I'm gonna be. It's a better verse from Ice Spice than I've heard in a minute. It's. It's cool.

[Mall]

Yeah, I think.

[Rory]

I think Lotto did Ice Spice a huge favor, but that's just me.

[Mall]

You mean by getting on the record?

[Rory]

By doing a record with her? Yeah.

[Mall]

Why. Why is that a favor?

[Rory]

I just think Lotto is far better. Better and bigger than Ice Spice.

[Mall]

She's a better rapper. I don't know if she's bigger, though.

[Rory]

She's bigger.

[Mall]

You think so? Than Icewise.

[Rory]

Just having a moment sitting next to Taylor Swift, as far as a career goes, does not make you a bigger artist.

[Mall]

I don't know if I. Does Lotto have a bigger record than. Was it Munch? Is that the name of it?

[Damaris]

I don't think.

[Mall]

What was the name of that record? I don't even remember the name.

[Rory]

Jay Z doesn't have a bigger record than Ice Ice Baby. But are we comparing them?

[Damaris]

Sorry.

[Mall]

No, but that's.

[Rory]

It's not the same. Like, just because you have one big, huge hit. That's funny. Like.

[Mall]

I don't know if Lotto is.

[Rory]

Lotto has a career. Ice Spice is finding moments. There's a difference.

[Mall]

No, there's a difference in that. But I don't know if. I don't know if I'm saying it's a favor that Lotto did.

[Rory]

This verse, what was. Did it definitely help Lotto as far as a moment? Because they were beefing at one time, Them coming together creates a moment. For sure. But.

[Mall]

Well, it was a moment because Lotto.

[Rory]

Lotto has a lot of moments. Like, she. She doesn't necessarily need to always rely on the quick moment because she has, like, albums and fans. No, I buy tickets.

[Mall]

I'm with you on. I think Lotto is the.

[Rory]

Is the best artist for sure, a far better rapper. And, yeah, I think this is. This is a look for Ice Spice.

[Damaris]

Rory's been saying the clock is on Ice Spice for a while, so.

[Mall]

That's right. He's just trying to force his clock to be right.

[Rory]

It was.

[Mall]

And the broke clock is right twice, though. So you listen.

[Rory]

Again, I don't want to talk about her health because I don't know what was going on when she got skinny. None of my business. I'm not even here to make jokes about it.

[Mall]

But when she was working out.

[Rory]

But you saw when she posted the video in front of the Eiffel Tower and the weight was back on. I punched out of the clock. Everyone came back.

[Mall]

So. Because the weight.

[Rory]

It's a moment.

[Mall]

Because she got thick again. The clock is off.

[Rory]

No, everyone was there for her rap small.

[Mall]

No, I'm just saying. Is that what you got? What you feel?

[Rory]

Everyone was there. Everyone was there for that. That she wasn't that lyrical.

[Mall]

She wasn't Slee Slim Spice no more. She went back to Ice. She wasn't Slim Spice. It looked great.

[Rory]

Y' all make me out to be the biggest Ice Spice hater, and I'm not.

[Mall]

I just think you are the biggest Ice Spice hater. Just.

[Rory]

She was making the same record over and over again. The clock was on. Yes. Lotto saved her here. Putting the weight back on saved her again. She has to keep finding moments to save her while Lotto doesn't have to do that. That's all I'm saying.

[Damaris]

I can understand where you're coming from. I'm not arguing with you.

[Rory]

Now. Now I'm sure Ice Spice is only sitting back waiting for the Young Thug phone call to leak where he talks about Ice Spice. Because that'll give her another six months. They're just trying to find moments.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Damaris]

They calling him Lady Whistledown. Y' all don't get that joke, but it's very funny.

[Mall]

They call who lady was Lady Whistle down Young Thug. What's Lady Lady Whistle now?

[Damaris]

She was an anonymous writer that used to tell everybody business in the show. A show on Netflix. That's very funny. So it's a very popular show amongst women.

[Rory]

So you're calling Young Thug Wendy Williams? Basically.

[Damaris]

Basically, they was calling him Wendy Williams, too. They was calling him Lady Wendy Williams.

[Rory]

Yo, this Young Thug over the weekend was so nuts.

[Mall]

That's something that said, yo, they releasing the wrong Jeffrey Files. I was crying. I was crying when I read that. But I'll say, yo, these on the Internet.

[Rory]

Hilarious.

[Mall]

These on it.

[Rory]

Yeah. Like, where's the Epstein jail call?

[Mall]

I don't know if y'. All. Yeah, yeah. Like, we got.

[Rory]

He had to call somebody.

[Mall]

Yeah. Like, we got the wrong Jeffrey Files, man. We didn't ask for these files.

[Rory]

This. The way it's been leaking has, like, almost made me a bad father. Like, I like.

[Mall]

I like the people say leaking like it's an album. Like, this is not. This is not an album.

[Rory]

Yeah. No, this is not. We back. We back to the mixtape era. This blog era.

[Mall]

This is.

[Rory]

This is Limewire, Napster.

[Mall]

Shout out to Big bank, though, on getting this interview, I thought that that made all the sense in the world for Thug to sit down with Bank. If you're not familiar with bank, you know, let's just say he's been outside in the great Atlanta area for some years, for sure. Respected, has relationships with pretty much anybody and everybody in Atlanta. So I thought that that made perfect sense when. When bank announced that, you know, he had the Thug interview.

[Rory]

But before we even get to the parts of the interview I want to say, Big bank conducted probably one of the better interviews I've seen in, like, the last decade. He, like, that was some 60 Minutes, Barbara Walter. Like, he conducted that interview so well with the smallest things. I don't think anyone else on earth could have done a better interview than he did with that.

[Mall]

Well, I was.

[Rory]

I was.

[Mall]

It was just.

[Rory]

He just got comfortable then ask the right questions, then push back where it mattered.

[Mall]

It was the accountability thing, like. Like bank was holding. He held. He held Thug accountable for his actions and things he was saying and things like that. And, you know, you gotta respect that anytime you sit down, you know, as men, and there's accountability, accountability, you know, in the room, it's gonna get a. It's gonna have a great conversation. I thought that's what bank did. He focused on just making sure he held Thug accountable. That's all.

[Rory]

I mean, granted, even, you know, myself and everybody, when the link went up, we couldn't wait to hear about all the calls. Everything up in the trial. I was locked in from the first question that bank asked of, what's your earliest memory? Like, the whole first half of that, that had nothing to do with the case. And the. That we wanted to hear from was, like, incredible to hear. I. I don't know. I just can't say enough about how he conducted that to get Thug into a comfortable mode, to then talk about all the shit we wanted to hear. Like, that was some of the coolest. I thought I was in therapy. Yeah, like, that was really, like, therapy Questions that he started out with, that entire thing had me thinking, like, damn, what was my first memory? Like, that whole part was incredible. But we then got to the. Yeah, where do we want to begin? I mean, he made some points.

[Mall]

No, I think Doug made some points for sure. I think the. The one thing that I took from it, you know, Doug, is obviously, well, let's start here. If you've ever had anybody incarcerated and call you from jail, the, you know, thug talking, you know, then. And I know people are like, damn, he doing. This is what people that's locked up do. They call you and they just talk, talk, talk. Like, sometimes I have to tell some of my homies, like, you listen, dog, I'm not locked up with you. Stop calling me every day. Like, I don't want to talk to you every Day you arrested, not me. Like, you literally have to say that because that's just the outlet of, you know, especially. And I can only imagine somebody like Thug, who's being the public figure that he is and, you know, living the lifestyle that he did and then now being incarcerated, you know, and he, you know, obviously knows that his trial is the talk of the culture at the time. So, you know, he definitely had things that, you know, he had to say and wanted to say and questions that, you know, he wanted to ask people and just talk about things that was going on outside. So a lot of these things that, you know, these conversations that are leaking doesn't surprise me at all because again, I have people that are incarcerated, so I know how that goes with those conversations. It can go forever until you stop. And I'm like, nigga, I'm hanging up. You know what I'm saying? So. But I do think that, you know, this interview, hearing some of the things Thug said and talking to a lot of my homies that have did jail time, and we all kind of agreed that, you know, people giving Thug the snitch title is probably incorrect because, you know, a snitch, you put police on people. Police get locked up, people get incarcerated because of your words and things that you did. That is what a snitch did. I don't think you could still be a snitch.

[Rory]

And no one goes to jail.

[Mall]

I don't know about that. I don't know if anybody.

[Damaris]

Okay, never mind. Nothing.

[Mall]

So with Thug, he did bad, though. Going in the interrogation room, talking for hours, you know, definitely never supposed to do that.

[Rory]

If you have a 302.

[Mall]

Are you a snitch if you have A what?

[Rory]

A 302? The file of when you speak to the police.

[Mall]

It depends on what you told him.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

I thought. Don't get it twisted. He. He did bad. Going in there, talking for two hours. However long he did, you're not supposed to do that. That's not. Nothing changes.

[Rory]

I'm not saying he is a 302, but.

[Mall]

But. And what he's saying, he was in there saying a bunch of bullshit. He didn't give the police factuals on things that were really happened. I don't think nobody got arrested for anything he said. So it's like, you know what I'm saying? Like, yes, he was in there talking to police. Where we from, you ain't supposed to do that at all. But. And what he said, did anybody get arrested? Did anybody face any consequences from the law behind what he said it doesn't look like. It doesn't look like until now, we get some further evidence of things that happen later, then all of this changes. But as of right now, it doesn't look like anything he said was used against anybody and anybody was incarcerated because of the things that he sat in there and told the police. So that giving him that. Cause you have to be very careful with that title, putting that on somebody. You have to be very careful with that. But don't get it twisted, him going in there and talking to police in an interrogation room for however long he was in there. That is a no. No. Anything you can to say will be used against you in the court of law. They tell you that as soon as they put the cuffs on you. So that's a no. No. But if he's in there spitting and nothing is real. And nothing is real. It's like, all right, so what is he. You know, I mean, like, what is that? Is he giving them information or something?

[Rory]

Well, I mean, we'll get to some of Thug's gaslighting in a bit with his tweets, because another phone call came out right before we recorded him telling Big bank when he said, why would you even sit with him? And why would you say, here's my number? So I was just flirting.

[Mall]

Yeah, that was.

[Rory]

He said with a straight face to Big. Did you see Bank's face when he's. Well, no, I was just flirting.

[Mall]

Yeah, that was that. I heard that. I was like, all right, man. Like, what we doing? What are we doing in this conversation? What are we doing right now?

[Rory]

Because at that point, like, anything goes in interrogation room at that point. No, I was just flirting with him. But, I mean, listen, again, I don't. I'm not here to make the rules on anything. The rules that I'm under the impression of. They used to be there. Yeah. That that would be considered some form of cooperating. But I'm not here. I'm not here to call anyone a rat.

[Mall]

Listen, listen, if you. If you go in there and talk to police, that's out. You're not supposed to do that at all. Like, I know people that come in interrogation room and literally laid on the floor and went to sleep. You know what I'm saying? Like, you're not supposed to say anything, but if you in there just spitting. Is that. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, what is that? Is that. Is that ratting if none of that shit is real? And what you saying? You just throwing shit at the wall? And they don't even know. Like, they can't even piece none of that shit together.

[Rory]

It's a goalpost. It depends who you're talking to. Because, like, we talked off mic. John Gotti Jr. To a lot of people, was considered a rat. He has a 302. He told the government a bunch of lies, but he sat with the government and gave them statements. They were all lies. No one went to jail. But he is. Yeah, you sat with the government.

[Mall]

What are we talking about right now? Listen, I'm with you. Listen, I'm with you. You're never supposed to do that. But I just put that on somebody. You got to be very careful with that. That is a very serious title to put on somebody. But all in all, you know, I think that, you know, coming out of the interview, like I said, we spoke last week, I don't think any of this matters. If Thug puts out a great record right now, a great album right now, nobody even cares about this shit. That's just the word that we in today. Nobody really cares about this shit.

[Rory]

I'm just. I'm learning so many things. Like, I did find out over the weekend that if you do do a crime with somebody, tell on them to get yourself out of trouble, separate them from their family, and then you go free. That is the same thing as being.

[Mall]

Gay, according to Thought the LG TV community.

[Rory]

Which is crazy because he was a trailblazer for them. Like, he's part of that community.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

It's like, whoop de do, whoop de do.

[Mall]

We go to jail for life. Whoop dead. Start telling whoop dee doo. I can't wait for SNL to do a skit on this.

[Rory]

Yo, listen, being like Sammy the Bull is the same as Jason Lee is the funniest thing in the world to me. Like, that's the same per. If you think about it, like, what Sammy did and how Jason was born is the same thing.

[Mall]

Yo, Thug said, I'm around. I'm around gay people pretty much every day. They work for me.

[Damaris]

I don't have no problem with the gay community because I knew they was gay from the beginning.

[Mall]

Yeah, from the beginning, we said. But if you come around me, you know what I'm saying? Now you switch up.

[Rory]

You know, not being able to trust someone that's open about their sexuality as the truth. You can't. You can't trust someone telling the truth, bro.

[Mall]

This is crazy, man.

[Rory]

I mean, do we think Thug finally found out what it's like to be a podcaster? I Mean, he's finally getting the heat that all of us have gotten. When we say one thing about one artist, you say their name. We gotta backtrack. We gotta apologize to people. Thug should be on the hip hop media list next year, in my opinion. Oh, this has been the greatest podcast.

[Mall]

Of all time, for sure. Yeah, this is the. The Jeffrey Files. Yeah, this is the. This is definitely going down in history.

[Rory]

Oh, you know. You know, Chris already has that on tubi loaded up. Yeah, they're editing that right now. Yeah, I mean, I just feel like I agreed with some of the stuff that was being leaked. What Thug was saying, I don't know. I don't know. Future situation. I would never talk about someone and how they parent. I don't know these people whatsoever. But, like, everyone was outraged about a. I thought a pretty solid point of what? Stop with these hoes and go take care of your kids.

[Damaris]

I don't think nobody was fighting with that.

[Rory]

I was like, yo, can you. You believe what he said about Future? I'm like, yeah, I can. Yeah. Pretty much on the nose there.

[Mall]

Oh, man.

[Rory]

From what I see, yeah. I don't know, Future, he could be an amazing father. But if I was viewing from the cell and I was on the phone with my man, probably like, yo, Futures, probably take a break from some of them hoes, man. And it's a lot of kids.

[Mall]

Does this do anything for. For Thug's perception coming out of this interview?

[Damaris]

Well, the. Does the interview do anything or the.

[Rory]

Call we talked last episode of how his perception was before this.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So you're asking now this is here?

[Mall]

Yeah, now that the interview she heard from Thug directly, obviously away from the, the, the, the. All the, the phone calls that were put out. I'm talking about, like, and sitting down, this interview with bank and, and you know, talking about.

[Rory]

No, I don't think so. I think Thug is getting the first lesson in what a lot of us of this age. Because Thug is probably around my age, right. Can we look up how old, young Thug is? This era of the Internet doesn't care. So I hope Thug feels better that he got his shit off his chest and talked to somebody like Big bank, someone he may respect and want to convince that he is otherwise, no matter what he says in that the Internet is just gonna Internet and just joke. Like, to your point, if there's good music, then. Then it'll turn. Anyone explaining anything on the Internet is just going to lead to more jokes. So, no, I don't think anything changed. It just gave the Timeline, more ammo.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I don't think anyone that is constantly on the Internet has a changed perspective. I really listened because I'm old and I really wanted to hear. But if you look at every single comment under anything, it's just more jokes.

[Mall]

Well, yeah, that's the Internet. Like the Internet doesn't take anything serious.

[Rory]

So I hope he found solace in getting his story out and convincing the people that matter the most to him. But I don't think this changes any perspective to the masses whatsoever.

[Mall]

Yeah, I'm still on the side that nobody cares.

[Rory]

No, of course not.

[Mall]

Still on that side. Like nobody. Nobody really cares. I mean, you know, it's a very select few that care about anything that he said in that, you know, on those calls or in the interrogation room. Again, I think that all of this, you know, as long as he puts out music that people like, you know, Gunna did the same thing. You know, Gunna was looked at. He was. People was kind of, you know, off Gunner for a minute and then he went out and put out music and, you know, hit the gym, got in shape. Now this doing 5k runs through Central park all kind of shit. He's the local hero now, changing people's lives. Yeah, he's like, you know, getting change of food, programs in schools.

[Rory]

Whole curriculum is different now.

[Mall]

Nobody cares, man.

[Rory]

It's like they brought back critical race theory.

[Mall]

Yeah, the music is good.

[Rory]

Well, all right. I'm gonna ask you the same question you asked me after the Gunner plea. Who in Atlanta is going to work with Thug? After all these calls, who will be the first feature? Who will be the first producer? Because that. That was an interesting question. You. You asked me when the. The plea came out, I was like, man, I don't think it matters too, too much. And you started breaking down facts of how close the Atlanta music tribe is. This could Gunna's career over because producers won't work with them features like he. He's outside of that. That click now, which is. That's why Atlanta's been so successful. He proved me wrong. So click for sure. Do we think after all this. Because there's way more on Thug as far as gossip and talking about other artists in this does. Do we think that's going to affect his career? Not. Not what fans think. I'm talking about making music moving forward.

[Mall]

Yes and no. I think there's certain artists that may not work with him. But you know, I think once you get features from certain artists, like the bigger names, I think that. That it doesn't matter. Like, if he doesn't get, let's say, if Little Baby doesn't do a record with him, you know what I'm saying? Or, you know, some of the other guys from Atlanta don't want to do a record with him and he gets a Drake feature, you know what I'm saying? Like, does that. Does it really matter at that point?

[Rory]

I think it does, because I think he may have offended one of the main people in Atlanta that is kind of a pillar of that community that we talked about. No.

[Mall]

Who?

[Rory]

Pete?

[Mall]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

Because I. I think what P has done, which, I mean, Coach K and P have done for Atlanta in this new generation, I mean, to me, they are the.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

The.

[Rory]

The quintessential cash money. They're the Rockefeller. They for sure they are that. And what they have done for Atlanta, I think a lot of people, rightfully so, have an allegiance to them. And we have clearly seen that P is very, very offended by this entire situation. I think that's where things get a little weird in that regard because, I mean, Gunna obviously has that relationship and we didn't know at that time, but landed on his feet. I don't care if you've had future. All these people, you offended the one person that all of these people are attached to. Literally everybody has a relationship with P. And for the most part, a very positive one. Like, that's where I think things could get a little weird. Like, damn, if. If I work with Thug now, my whole relationship with QC could be. Could be compromised.

[Mall]

Yeah, I feel.

[Rory]

And I'm not saying that could. That could end a Thug career. I'm just saying, to me, that was the main thing I thought. But every artist he brought up, I was like, man, people get over gossip. But once Pete started putting up tweets and IG stories and all this shit, yeah, I think. I think he feels away. And I think it would look weird to artists that he either has signed, managed, has a relationship with, like, he's Atlanta for real.

[Mall]

He feels away. And he has a right to feel some way. He's absolutely in the right to feel some way. But I'm also on the side of, you know, as grown men, you have a conversation and, you know, you put to the side and, you know, you, again, hold yourself accountable. Which is what I think bank did with this interview with Thug. I mean, I. I see space for. For Thug and Peter sit down at some point or get on the phone and have a conversation.

[Rory]

I don't want to see.

[Mall]

You know, I. I think there's room for that. I think there's room for envy.

[Rory]

Envy their unity down there.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I mean, I hope it doesn't buck everything up.

[Mall]

That's what. What made Atlanta what it is, was the unity. It was the fact that all of these guys, for the most part, you had, obviously, people in the city that didn't really fuck with each other, but that's anywhere you go. But for the most part, Atlanta has always stuck together, always supported each other. This artist has a video shoot, I'm pulling up, I'm in the video, whatever, just to support Atlanta. But I think coming out of this, I think there's a bigger conversation to have, and I love what Banking and Thug were able to sit down and do and have a conversation and just, you know, have an honest conversation. But I do think there's a bigger conversation to have as far as, you know, just the street culture and, you know, music culture and things like that. And sometimes blending the two is. We always know it's not a good idea to blend the two, to blend business and street culture. But that's part of it. That's been part of it since the.

[Rory]

Inception of hip hop.

[Mall]

Right? But are we at a point now where we see finally, like, yo, we need to have this conversation of, listen, man, let's. We doing this to get away from that. You know what I mean? Let's not blend the two. Let's not have an overlap of the streets and the music. Because again, when shit like this happens, what comes of it? Everybody's losing, niggas is going to jail, N is dying, kids is out here with no fathers. You know, it's like it's this cycle that we keep perpetuating. It's like, yo, at some point we have to say, all right, listen, we control this. We have the control to say, all right, this stops. We not doing this. If you're doing music, stay over here, do music. Don't get involved in none of this. I think there's more conversations to be had away from cameras and mics.

[Rory]

I'm not talking about a good representation of that. Of what? Whether it be their artists or founder, staff, etc. I don't know when you lose that element to it. Now we're just in corporate mode. Like, now we've lost. And I'm not saying this all hip hop is just authentic street shit, but once you lose that, then you've lost any real connection to what's actually happening. If corporate. If it's all corporate, then we're fucked up.

[Mall]

No but there's plenty of artists that are successful that came from the streets, that once, you know, this music or entertainment became a real thing. Completely left that.

[Rory]

Oh, no, no, no. For sure. I thought you were saying like that element just needs to be taken away of.

[Mall]

No, no, no. I'm saying once you're in this, once you are now transition to get completely.

[Rory]

That' to me.

[Mall]

Yeah. Like get away from that. Because again, once it, once it all falls.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Then it's like, you know, I mean, like, all right, we back to this again. So, you know, I do think that there's more conversations to be had and I think, you know, this, this, this interview with bank was a, was a great start. I think Thug obviously has a lot of conversations that he has to have with people in private to kind of like, you know, make a lot of the things that we've heard. Right. A lot of people were offended by things that, that we all heard. And you know, I think that, you know, he, he understands that and he has to again account hold yourself accountable and, and have those conversations. And if, you know, you can move forward with some of these people and the relationship is mended, great. If not, you got to accept that as well.

[Rory]

I mean, I really want to ask Damaris the, the hard hitting question because she speaks for all women. If I know a huge RICO is about to come down. Sorry, I have to take my birth control.

[Mall]

Is that the feds up?

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah. If I know a RICO is coming down, they're about to raid right now. I told on all y'.

[Mall]

All.

[Rory]

I put it on Josh. It's fine. If I know a crazy case is coming where I may do life. I can't hit up like one of my, my hoes right before the feds rape. I can't have like one of my little chicks before I know they're coming.

[Mall]

That's cheating. You have a girlfriend.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, that's cheating. But at a rico, like you gotta add the RICO in.

[Damaris]

Yeah. So you're about to leave me for all these, this time and the first thing you think is, damn, now let me spend time with my. Let me go spend time with somebody.

[Rory]

Else to understand what the system has done and what that has done to not only thug psyche, but millions and millions and millions of black men around the world.

[Damaris]

How do you understand?

[Rory]

I don't. I'm just being empathetic. I've just outside lens child struggle. I, I can see where, hey, the system is about to me like it's everybody before me, so I'm going to go. This girl.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

I feel like that's a. If you're facing life, I feel like your girl should give you, like, just a. A little bit of grace. Because I don't know once they come, if I'm ever getting out, because I'm definitely not getting bail. So I'm in here until this trial ends. It ended up being the longest trial in Georgia history.

[Mall]

Yeah, if he's facing life, like, you gotta.

[Rory]

And you could come over too. But I'm like.

[Mall]

I mean, do we think that, you know, his girl kind of like, like assumed he was in there, you know, having sex with one of the cos? Cause we all know inmates have sex with.

[Rory]

No, this was the day before. I think the feds came. He had a chick in his condo, right? Is that what it was that had came out?

[Mall]

Oh, yeah. No, that's cheating. I can't throw my chicks.

[Rory]

Oh, no, no. I'm not saying it's not cheating. I'm saying, is there a little bit of grace? Cause I'm sure Thug knew like, the clock was ticking.

[Damaris]

You know when grace is given out, Grace is given out when you're honest. If I have to find out from a leaked jail call years later that you lied to me when I asked you why this girl posting in your condo, you saying that it's old and come to find out that she was two days before you got locked up.

[Rory]

But you also have to understand, I'm already. I've been in jail, so my mind is trained to deceive and survive. It's survival mode. I'm trying to spin the feds. I'm in the day room. Yeah, there's a lot of. My mind is already in the world of deception because I've been within these walls that are private prisons. I don't know if you want to go down that rabbit hole. Yeah, of course I lied. I've been trained to lie. The system taught me to lie. So just let me.

[Mall]

That girl, you think that she's wrong?

[Rory]

She wasn't in the system. She was at St. John's okay, well.

[Mall]

Thug tweeted my baby. I was wrong and I'm sorry for what I put you through. You deserve better from me. Thank you for everything. And I will do anything to make this work. You showed me what love is. And I hope I haven't lost you forever. Everybody leaves her. Everybody leave her out of this, please. How do we want us to leave her out of this if she's in this? But okay, everybody leave her out of this, please. She's an innocent girl and feels bad about all of this. Please give her peace.

[Damaris]

How you saying give. Please give her peace when you don't raise in hell.

[Mall]

Yeah, like, you ain't giving her peace.

[Damaris]

Yeah, you ain't giving her peace.

[Mall]

I've never said anything wrong or did anything wrong with Mariah the scientist. Well, the Internet, she's great.

[Damaris]

The Internet is on her ass. Because on some of these calls, she was giggling and laughing. The biggest one being the call that leaked where he was calling Glorila ugly and people.

[Mall]

Okay, so women are catty. We don't know that already.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but it doesn't mean that when, like, for example, we all say shit we ain't got no business saying or that we wouldn't want other people to hear. And so we can all understand that. We all do that. But when it comes out, we can't expect other people not to look at us like, bitch, like, oh, no, for sure.

[Mall]

Like, gorilla probably would never fuck with Mariah, you know, if she. If she ever did, they were.

[Damaris]

They were cool. They, like. I think they. She.

[Mall]

She brought her out on a show or something like that. Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't. I don't think that.

[Rory]

I didn't know. I didn't know that.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

Because I was gonna say, like, all right, I feel like there should be some grace given between a couple having a private Kiki type conversation, but I didn't know that they, like, had a relationship at that point. You can't.

[Mall]

Y' all don't.

[Damaris]

So the Internet is. Is picking, like, you know, they're coming from Mariah saying she's a pick me. Because, like, she had said. Mariah had said something like. Well, they said Glorilla look like Rihanna. And like, you know what I'm saying? Like, just little shit. So she fire right now, too.

[Mall]

When Mariah said that, they said.

[Damaris]

When. When Thug was talking about her, they said. Yeah, they said. They said she looked like Rihanna.

[Mall]

That's what Mariah said. Not gorilla. Not with her no more. It's quiet. If she was doing that on the call. Yeah.

[Damaris]

So I tweeted.

[Rory]

You also think that. Go ahead.

[Damaris]

I'm sorry. I tweeted something that got the men in my DMs calling me all types of lying whores because I said I don't like. I don't like men. That I would never want to date a man that will sit on the phone and cackle about a woman's looks. You can agree that a woman is unatt but, like, sitting on the phone and cackling and like, talking bad on a woman's looks. That's extremely unattractive to me. And I don't date men who did that. They're like, you're lying. And I'm like, just cuz you made don't mean the niggas I with is. I don't deal. Like, like, I don't deal. Even if I was to call my man and be talking about a. He was like, like, nah, I hear you like, niggas not up. Like, yeah, and that bitch. This, this, this, like, that's women.

[Rory]

I completely agree with your sentiment on that. I have no, no notes. I completely agree with everything you said that. But look at it this way. What's the other side of that coin? You can't tell your girl that you think another girl's cute.

[Damaris]

Why can you not?

[Rory]

So now you got to, like, overcompensate and be like, yeah, all them is ugly. You're the only pretty girl.

[Mall]

But even if you say that, I don't think that's bad. I don't think that's as bad as what Thug was doing. Like, if you. Your girls were like, yeah. Like, yeah, no, they don't. None of them look better than you, baby. I don't think that that's.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that's.

[Rory]

But not every girl is like, like you, Damaris. That swings both ways. What was it?

[Damaris]

It ain't even about swinging both ways. It ain't even about swinging both ways. I got home girls that's straight as a arrow, and they still don't want to sit up there and have. That's insecure. That has nothing to do with being straight. That's insecure.

[Rory]

A lot of women and men are insecure.

[Damaris]

I'm not calling Mariah itself. I'm saying bitches who would expect their man. Like when Rory said we can't give other women a compliment on the phone with our girl, I think that's extremely insecure.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

Oh, for sure.

[Damaris]

Like the fuck. You think you're the only good looking bitch on this planet?

[Rory]

That's what you're supposed to tell her, though, though.

[Damaris]

No, don't tell me that. Because now I feel like you now you lying. Now, me and you both know we.

[Rory]

Some insecure women want you to lie to them.

[Damaris]

Oh, okay.

[Mall]

In fact, most insecure women want you to lie.

[Damaris]

That's insane.

[Rory]

Yeah, so I just feel like maybe there. There needs to be more context into this. I'm not putting anything on Mariah the scientist because we don't know these people, but I don't know what their relationship is. Where sometimes if a girl gets brought up, yeah, she trash because you can't say she's okay, let alone beautiful. So you just, you know, ugly as.

[Damaris]

Saying she had a long ass, ass, wig, ass, head, big mouth. I would not pursue her, like, at all. That ain't nothing.

[Mall]

He went crazy.

[Rory]

You know what? I take back every point. I just said, like, what? I take it all back.

[Damaris]

And then. And then Glow responded and was like, mind you, this the same. Blowing my phone up to ask what color my eyes is. Laugh my ass off.

[Mall]

Off. That's what Gorilla said.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's why. That's why I said, thug, welcome to podcasting. You can't talk if you got a little. Some demons in your closet. You can't talk about certain people. Jeffrey will pull up a deal like, yo, he was just in my DMs. He'd be like, every girl say that. And then you see the DM and it's like, damn. All right. Yeah.

[Mall]

You know the crazy part?

[Damaris]

What?

[Mall]

You know how many more phone calls are left?

[Damaris]

That ain't even the first week in Chao.

[Rory]

This ain't even the longest trial in Georgia history.

[Mall]

This is. We gonna hear some crazy. Like, I'm talking about.

[Rory]

We.

[Mall]

We about to hear. They gonna turn it up. They're gonna be like, all right, you know what? Like, he done did this interview with Bank.

[Rory]

Cool.

[Mall]

Niggas is like, yo, Thug is hurt. He lost his friends. Cool. Let me show y' all that he was never none of y' all friends. They about to. When them tapes drop. Oh, my.

[Rory]

Whoever is leaking these, you got about.

[Mall]

Seven more interviews you going to have to do. Wait till they drop the interview with him talking about Bank. Oh, man, when the government see that. Oh, he got an interview with who.

[Rory]

He think it's going to be Thug saying like, bank to your podcast. And now.

[Damaris]

Oh, my God.

[Rory]

Oh, bank interviews. That's crazy.

[Mall]

That bum ass podcast. Bank, shut up. Nobody. When they went up, when they dropped them tapes. Oh, my God. My God, bro.

[Rory]

I know they have more just based off how they've spaced them out. It's not like the way that everything just dropped. Like, they leaked one or they hacked one email and then all of it dropped. Listen, they're spacing these things out strategically, bro.

[Mall]

Listen, one thing we can be sure of is every day that Thug was in that jail, he was on that phone. That's how many tapes we got left.

[Rory]

Bored as.

[Mall]

That's how many Tapes we got. Oh, my God. Yeah, it's going to be, it's going to get bad. I think it's going to get a lot worse now. Now that he's trying to like, you know, take accountability and. Which is great. You know, we give him, we give him grace there. That's great that he did that. But like, I think that the, you know, the government is seeing that and they're like, oh, so y' all think that, you know, he's this stand up, accountable guy. Okay, well, let me tell you, let's continue to show y' all what he thinks about all of y'.

[Rory]

All.

[Mall]

And I think they're gonna continue to put, put these audio, these recordings.

[Damaris]

At this point, I don't even think it's the government. I think it's just somebody doing their reporter duty and.

[Mall]

No, it's the government. It's definitely the government. They wanna, they wanna ruin his image as much as they can.

[Rory]

Can.

[Mall]

They, they, they, they, they wanted to keep them incarcerated for life.

[Rory]

And you know, once we saw the behind the scenes moves of the prosecutor, this was their case to get them to the next level. Right down to Rudy Giuliani with the mod. Like, these celebrity cases make people's careers. They, everyone switched their job to try to get on this, right? And now they look crazy. So I'm not mad at it, But I will say the bank interview wasn't the reason that convinced me that thug is not a rat. It was his tweet this morning where I was like, he was probably spinning the police because they think he's spinning me right now. Times like these is when my loved ones are supposed to look at the good I did towards them, not the ugly. And then the ugly, then the ugly.

[Mall]

All right, but now hold on.

[Rory]

With the heart emoji that's been broken, like he's trying.

[Mall]

Hold on, hold on.

[Rory]

This is the most gaslighting.

[Mall]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Rory]

He smuggles police. Listen, I really believe he was flirting when he gave that cop that number. This is a gaslighter.

[Mall]

This is one of those things where.

[Rory]

This is a gaslighter.

[Mall]

The spelling of the word makes all the difference. Is it supposed to be then or then? Because if he's saying they supposed to look at the good I did towards them, then the ugly, that's a whole different thing. But if you're saying they supposed to look at the good and then look at the ugly, it's like, damn, that's some gaslighting. But I think he meant to say then A lot of then. Then there. There. That'd be kicking niggas asses. So I think he meant to say, the good I did towards them than the ugly.

[Damaris]

Look more at the good I did towards them than the ugly.

[Mall]

That's what he added more.

[Rory]

That would make sense. I actually think this is grammatically correct, what he was trying to get across. If he said more, I'd be with you.

[Damaris]

So he's saying, look at the good idea towards. Then go and look.

[Rory]

Yeah, then go look at me cheating. Like, think about. Think about when I said, you're my baby dad.

[Mall]

So I said, I don't know it. Depending on which one it is, it could either be he's super gaslighting right now or he just made a grammatical, you know, more error.

[Rory]

When have you ever seen someone seriously use that emoji?

[Mall]

Not. He really hurt when you go find that one. I've never made one.

[Rory]

Per. I don't even. I didn't even know.

[Mall]

I've never used the.

[Rory]

Is he on a Samsung?

[Mall]

Yeah, the band Aid emoji. I've never used it.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Never used that.

[Damaris]

Broken heart again. Another lesson learned.

[Mall]

He tweeted that this morning at 6:30 this morning.

[Rory]

6:30 in the morning. He didn't go to sleep.

[Mall]

Doug ain't sleep, man. Mariah. Mariah. 6:33, yo. 6:33. You let that fly. Yeah, Mariah. Yeah, she.

[Rory]

Yeah, he missed her window. They was on the phone the whole night, and she just kept asking, tell me why you did that shit.

[Mall]

Yeah, he heard, no, I need to know.

[Rory]

I need to know why you did that.

[Damaris]

Said that nigga tweeted flaws and all last night. Yo, I told somebody. He said that. He said, yeah, Mariah must have answered the phone. Tweeting flaws and all is crazy.

[Mall]

She unfollowed him.

[Damaris]

She don't have a Twitter.

[Rory]

Smart, smart girl.

[Mall]

Oh, he lost a girl that don't even got social media.

[Damaris]

Well, I think she got rid of her social media when they was on her ass for supporting Tori. I think she got rid of her social media a long time ago. Well, her Twitter. A long time ago.

[Rory]

We had one of the greatest tweeters of all time in this very studio.

[Mall]

Thank you.

[Rory]

You as well. Where do we rank flaws and all compared to offset tweeting, Y' all one.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I think thug in the last 48 hours may have surpassed offset of the last 10 years. No, like, he's getting close to meek territory story. Flaws and all with a heart emoji.

[Damaris]

The chapter ended with the heart emoji. That want his back, dog.

[Rory]

And wait, did the heart, did the heart get wounded before, after? Is that him saying his heart is whole now?

[Mall]

No, no, that was the heart wounded is this morning.

[Rory]

Oh, so now it's.

[Mall]

That was yesterday.

[Rory]

Can we look at the time for flaws and all?

[Mall]

8:31 yesterday.

[Rory]

Okay, like this.

[Mall]

Wow.

[Rory]

All right, so yesterday evening his heart was.

[Mall]

Was full and now it's hurt. Now it's mended, it's broken.

[Rory]

Yeah. First of all, you cheating on your girl and your heart being broken and bandaged up. Bruh is so he spun the. I don't think he's a rat. I really think he was spinning the cops, bro.

[Mall]

This is crazy.

[Damaris]

Somebody had tweeted. Somebody had tweeted, Yo, Thug did that whole interview talking about how gunna not loyal, gunna supposed to stand by him. This, this, this, this and that. But he won't stop cheating on his bitch. And, and I'm like n be like that. You want a nigga to stay loyal to you, do everything for you. Was out here calling him a rat and everything. You still like, yo, he ain't send me no money, but you can't keep your dick between your legs. You have got stay having no Internet laughing at your bitch. Come on now, don't preach me loyalty.

[Mall]

You do what they say. Dudes is more loyal to their barber than their girl.

[Rory]

Yeah, a dude will cuddle with loyalty tattooed on his chest with a side bitch laying on the loyalty tattoo too. Like we know what type of time it is with that.

[Mall]

Yeah, it's up. But it's real. That's real.

[Rory]

I know, I'm just being honest.

[Mall]

Yeah, no, it's real. It's real. I think that you know.

[Rory]

You'Re wrong. Like I'm not judging any but yet.

[Mall]

But Thug is young, man.

[Damaris]

So tired of that.

[Mall]

He's young. He's a young rich artist from Atlanta.

[Rory]

I'm not judging Thug on any cheating years old. That's young.

[Mall]

Young 34 is young.

[Rory]

Malt. I've made dozens and dozens. And let's not even count them mistakes. In my 30s I've. My excuse would never be that I'm young. I made them.

[Mall]

No, I'm not.

[Rory]

I'm not judging thugs.

[Mall]

Accountability. I'm never. I'm not saying that that's an excuse. I'm just saying Thug is young. He's just turned 34. Like I don't expect no crazy loyalty from no fucking when it comes to this woman. From a 34 year old nigga from Atlanta that got money and is in that lifestyle. Like you think I expect man to be like, nah, I'm not under these. What, what are we talking about?

[Damaris]

I don't expect anything from anybody. But that doesn't. Being young is not an excuse.

[Mall]

I mean, it's one of them. It's for, for a 33 year old guy to be running around the streets of Atlanta with a bunch of money. I don't expect him to be loyal to his girlfriend. Like, he got a bunch of beautiful men throwing themselves at him.

[Rory]

Like, to me, that's the access he has, not his age. Because I, I think there's probably 50 year olds with money and access that cheat on their wives in particular.

[Mall]

Him.

[Rory]

Him. Okay. Like him.

[Mall]

Yeah. That's like, I don't expect no loyalty from him. Like, yeah, that's part of his lifestyle. Women, it's rock star drugs.

[Damaris]

So don't have a girlfriend. Nobody put a gun to your head.

[Mall]

Very true. I'm with you on that. I'm with you on that as well.

[Rory]

I'm sure we'll find a phone call where he says, someone put a gun to someone's head.

[Mall]

I'm with you. I'm with you on that. I'm with you on that. And be single. I agree. I'm just saying, like when you look at everything, it's like, like I don't expect anything else. Like, yeah, he's out there having fun.

[Rory]

You know why I knew thug was bored. He said Andre 3000 never put anyone on. That's how I just know. You just, you just bored and you're just bored in the jail. I can't say anything, anything you're saying.

[Mall]

You know, we look at them, it's very specific to the type of person, their lifestyle. You know, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't recognize Andre 3000 the way you may recognize him. He doesn't, he doesn't. And a lot of people from Atlanta don't. A lot of people from Atlanta have future as the greatest artists out of Atlanta.

[Rory]

Well, who would you say that Three Stacks and Dungeon Family, like put the entire city on?

[Mall]

I would.

[Damaris]

Well, what do you consider putting on? Because that was a conversation that I saw people having. Are you leading by example and opening doors or are you doing the Drake?

[Mall]

Literally broke the doors down for the South.

[Damaris]

Okay, so let me. That's what I'm asking. Do you consider putting on opening doors and creating a lane or do you consider putting on the Drake way, taking someone, putting them on a song or saying, hey, people listen to this person, they're hot. Which one do you consider putting on?

[Rory]

Both.

[Mall]

Both. Those are both different variations of, you know, pulling people up from your city and your area and giving them a look that they might not have, making them a part of your. Putting them on your platform that you've built and amplifying their talent and their. Their. Their art. I think that Outcast, definitely. I don't. That's not even a question. Outcast. If you don't know that, you just don't have the information on Outcast, that's not even conversation.

[Rory]

I. I would say probably Gucci. If you're going by Signed, put on. Like, Gucci probably put on more people in Atlanta than any artist, if you're counting that way. But do you think anyone would be like, yo, Kool Herc never put anyone on, right? Like, yo, Kool Herc never signed an artist and. And stamped it and was like, nah, He.

[Mall]

He.

[Rory]

He started this, right? Like, right. That's where it's just stupid to me. Like what Dungeon Family did. If you go, look, not to say that Three Stacks put feature on, but their click with Rico is Future's cousin. Future's part of Dungeon Family. Like, Three Stacks talks about Future being in the dungeon in the basement of their crib. Like, he put the entire.

[Mall]

This is not even. It's not even like a.

[Rory]

And you know what's actually fucked up about that, though, is even. I think it was at Fife's funeral when 3Stacks spoke and he complimented. He thought the whole audience thought he was about to diss Young Thug. And he was like, nah, Thug. Like, these guys create the greatest melodies like he was. So he gave Thug a verse. Like, he. He spoke. When everyone thought the. The real rap community wanted Andre 3000 to hate the new Atlanta. He would never Campion the new.

[Mall]

It would never happen.

[Rory]

He was like, Doug and Future are the ones like. Like, everyone was waiting for Three Stacks to be like, yo, they not lyrical. No. He was like, yo, these guys are nice.

[Mall]

That's not who he is. He. He would never do nothing like that.

[Rory]

So, I mean, I. I just thought that was. But you bored and you're in jail and he's talking.

[Mall]

We gotta wait for the next. You know, y' all thought. Y' all thought this is just getting started, man. Cuz you gotta. Again, how long was he incarcerated? And we know he was on that phone every day. So the audio is. Is unlimited of, you know, the files that they got from his. His. His jail call. So I. I mean, we'll have to wait and see.

[Rory]

Ah, you. You would have to have my. My jail call if I found out that you added another last name to my kid. Speaking of future.

[Damaris]

Oh, you're so ridiculous.

[Rory]

How am I ridiculous?

[Mall]

Talk to it.

[Damaris]

First of all, he wouldn't have to find out because Sierra has full custody of her kids, so you. I'm sure she told him that it was happening. I'm sure it didn't. And first of all, it been happened. It came out a source close to Sierra, which is probably Sierra's.

[Rory]

A source close to Sierra?

[Damaris]

Source close.

[Rory]

Sierra came out and said it was Jazzy. Faye came out and said what is.

[Mall]

The source close to CEO?

[Damaris]

That happened a while ago. We're just now privy to it. But that happened a while ago and that it was just added on. It's not like.

[Rory]

But it was an Instagram name. It's not a. She didn't show a legal id, right?

[Damaris]

No, they had the tennis court, I think. No, I think it's official that, like, that his name. His last name has Wilson in it.

[Rory]

Oh, no, see, I.

[Damaris]

No, but see, I. Okay, n. You fighting just to fight. We podcasting right now.

[Rory]

Who's podcast?

[Damaris]

You are. We podcast.

[Rory]

Bottom of my Healed heart.

[Mall]

He's a. He's a father.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

Are you crazy?

[Damaris]

Okay, he's an active father. He has. He takes.

[Mall]

If.

[Damaris]

If anybody was going to have full custody of Amar, it would be you.

[Rory]

I don't even like. I don't even like the term active father, because I'm like, no, I'm a father.

[Damaris]

Okay, you're a father. That baby lives 247 with his stepdad and has since he was 1 years old. So why is it not okay for him to add the name on. Be adopted by his stepdad and add the name on. What's wrong with that?

[Rory]

Adopted? He. He got two parents. What do you need to do?

[Damaris]

You can still get adopted even when you.

[Rory]

I know. Those are the videos that make me cry the most, but it's not the same circumstance of two parents that are living.

[Damaris]

Living. Why isn't it. If one isn't. One is taking full care of him. That's his dad, bro.

[Rory]

Oh, no, no. If. If again, this is other people's kids that we don't even know about. If.

[Mall]

I'm talking about this.

[Rory]

If Little future calls Russell. Dad. No, I mean, I. I get the stepdad. I think stepdads are important. I think it's healthy for that entire thing. But adding the last name typically only happens when the father has either passed away or is completely absent. Like you don't even know where that motherfucker is. We tried 23andMe. We tried everything to find this guy.

[Damaris]

That'S changing the last name. She did not change it. She added one on because something that people brought one up. And again, we don't know these people's business. It's all speculation. Something that people brought up is the fact that everybody else in the household has the same last name. His brothers, his sisters, whatever.

[Rory]

And he got 75 brothers and sisters with different last names.

[Damaris]

Okay, but that's not his immediate family, Rory.

[Mall]

Oh, so she added.

[Rory]

Will she wait, his siblings aren't his immediate family.

[Damaris]

She added Wilson on.

[Mall]

Okay, so he still has his dad's name.

[Damaris]

Yes. There's literally nothing wrong with that.

[Rory]

There's literally. Oh, sure. No, I think outside looking in. It's a very healthy co parenting situation what they're doing. I'm just. I'm saying. Okay, so he still has a way another last name is being added.

[Mall]

He still has futures last like. Okay, he still has future's last name. He just added the Wilson. Okay, okay. I'm not mad at that. Respect.

[Damaris]

People have been. People have been talking about that dynamic since that baby.

[Mall]

Say you going. What?

[Rory]

I'm going say some real ignorance. Say it same way with these rappers. After we find out some about them, we can't really like respect their lyrics. Talked about the cold thing. If I ever hear Future rap, an ounce of a violent lyric. I don't believe you.

[Damaris]

Every.

[Rory]

Everybody dying. Everybody's dying.

[Damaris]

You're being ridiculous.

[Mall]

See, the mom is mad married. She's rematched. She's married to a. Congrats.

[Rory]

That's amazing. What that got to do with.

[Damaris]

My son has full custody of her child.

[Rory]

Okay, Full.

[Damaris]

Full custody. You know what full custody is?

[Rory]

I know what focus.

[Damaris]

Okay? That means I don't even gotta ask if his. I don't even gotta ask his daddy to take him out the country. I have full custody of my kid because I'm the only one taking care of this. You no longer have a say. You keep speaking from an active dad's perspective. You're speaking from this perspective of act.

[Rory]

That's all I'm speaking.

[Damaris]

Okay, so then you can't speak on that situation, period. How do you know?

[Mall]

I'm asking you because I don't know. Future's not active at all.

[Damaris]

I'm sure he has a relationship with his kid, but when another one. When you give the mother full custody, you know what that means, Ma, you know what?

[Rory]

There's plenty of active fathers, real fathers, where the mother has full custody, though.

[Damaris]

That's usually joint. That's usually joint custody. They usually have joint custody. Full custody is not just I live with you full time and I get. And they get the. No, no, Full custody is legally.

[Mall]

They have joints custody.

[Damaris]

Legally. That's what this is. AI be wrong sometimes, but the future.

[Mall]

But his son lives primarily with Sierra.

[Damaris]

When it says, what is co parenting like for you? When somebody. I remember that interview. Somebody asked Sierra that. Sierra just started laughing.

[Mall]

See, I don't know what that. I hate when women do that. Sierra no answer. Talk, don't laugh. You can laugh, but then, like, answer the question.

[Damaris]

But I think. I think Sierra was trying to be. Be respectful as possible and try to stay away from mess when they asked her.

[Mall]

I respect that. Yeah, she. She definitely does a great job of that. She doesn't. She doesn't end up in a lot of mess, but, yeah, I mean, I think they have joint custody. She's never present. Prevented her son from seeing his dad, like, you know, but that is.

[Damaris]

But again, again, I don't know. The source came out and said Sierra got full custody, and I don't. Sources like that don't usually just pop.

[Mall]

Russell Wilson is 34.

[Damaris]

Yeah, he's young. Remember, he's young.

[Rory]

He's. No, he's young.

[Damaris]

He's young.

[Rory]

He's considered a dinosaur in the NFL. It was like, was this old gonna retire?

[Mall]

Russell was 34.

[Rory]

He's younger than me. It's crazy, right? I hate getting older.

[Mall]

I thought he got drafted. Oh, he's 36. That's still. I thought.

[Rory]

I thought.

[Mall]

I thought he got drafted at 36.

[Damaris]

Really?

[Mall]

I thought Russell Wilson was closer to 40 than 30. I thought he was way closer to 40 than 36.

[Damaris]

Sierra's 39.

[Rory]

He's 36.

[Mall]

Okay. On Sierra's 39, that makes sense. Okay.

[Rory]

Do we owe Hov an apology?

[Mall]

For what?

[Rory]

Future got. Got real bent out of shape with that. That bar on kill. Jay Z.

[Mall]

It.

[Rory]

It appeared to be some prophecy there.

[Mall]

Yeah. Oh, got that right. He got that.

[Rory]

You crashed out and it was. It was. Right.

[Mall]

Well, I mean, I don't.

[Rory]

I mean, whatever's healthier for the kid.

[Mall]

Yeah, man, if. Listen, Russell Wilson stepped up, you know, he. He obviously. Him and Sierra obviously married. So, you know, if Sierra wants to give her son, you know, the last name of Wilson added to Wilburn, so be it, man. As long as. As long as the, you know, as long as the child is raised with.

[Damaris]

Love and it looks like he is.

[Mall]

It looks like.

[Rory]

All right, but which one goes last?

[Damaris]

I think Wilson is at the end.

[Mall]

Well, yeah, Wilson, because the Sierra's last name now is Wilson as well. Nah, he mean. Nah.

[Rory]

You got it. Gotta be a Wilson Wilburn. If. If we're going to add this into the mix, at least my last name needs to be the last one.

[Mall]

Okay. I mean, if that's how you feel, you know, you. You're a real dad. I can't argue with you on that. You know, I mean, so what?

[Rory]

I mean, and the way. The way we see Russell playing with Future, like, and we know Future is a tall guy, it looks like he comes from a great gene pool. Little Future could make the league week. What happens when Wilburn Wilson is on the back of the jersey? Like, that's gonna fly off the stands.

[Mall]

Yeah, well, it's gonna fly off the stand because of the Wilson.

[Rory]

Or what happens when.

[Mall]

And who his stepdad is.

[Rory]

But what happens if Sierra does a like a chair choreography dance with her son's jersey and it just says Wilson on the back?

[Mall]

Well, that's her last name.

[Rory]

No, but it's his jersey. She's wearing her. Her son's jersey.

[Mall]

Okay. Everyone's dying, I feel. Listen, man, look at what you.

[Damaris]

I just think that that's completely ego driven. It's so ego driven. And it's just like. That's completely ego driven.

[Rory]

What is ego driven?

[Damaris]

Everything.

[Rory]

Of course I'm joking around, but, like, what is ego driven with that?

[Damaris]

That's not ego driven. You don't think that you worrying about yo, my son's last name. When you are not there every day with your son, somebody else is. You're that worried about it?

[Rory]

My name is. My name. My name has my. My daddy's blood on it.

[Mall]

Like, got my daddy's blood on it.

[Rory]

So if you're mean, nothing is more important than your last name, your legacy, your family.

[Damaris]

Yes, more important than your last name, your legacy. What about your son? That you don't have full time, that you'd rather run around?

[Rory]

You're talk. You and I are talking. Future's not in the room. I don't know Future. I don't know what he does with son. I'm telling you. Why you think I think that would be crazy? Yeah, that's nuts to me. And first of all, I'm also someone that was fine. Like, even with Kia. If you wanted to hyphenate that and say Jacob far, I'm fine with that. But adding somebody else in the Mix with a name. No, the. The name means something.

[Damaris]

Yeah, it means something. The person that sit up there.

[Rory]

I got a tattoo like an idiot at 14 years old. My family crest. Because that's just what you did. Because you didn't. Like, I forget my last name for some reason, but, yeah, that shit is very much important. No, is your last name not important to y'?

[Damaris]

All? And it's still there. Exactly. Like, I. Like I just. The confusion. Like, the confusion is so crazy. Peach said you can prevent that by just, like, being a good dad.

[Rory]

I'm saying future is not in this room. We don't know him. I'm talking you and I like, to me, yes, I would have a huge. And we also don't know. And I'm putting anything on Sierra. I'm sure there's been plenty of times where there's been women that have held their child away from the father because they got a new relationship. Like, let's not act like all women are the most amazing mothers and don't use their kid as a weapon.

[Damaris]

Okay? But we weren't talking about that. We were talking about the future situation.

[Rory]

I know. I was going off what Peach said.

[Mall]

I. I don't know anything about their. Their. Their dynamic with their child. So I don't. I don't know.

[Rory]

That's why I was saying off what Peach said. You could just be a good father. And I'm saying there's also women that have had children with good fathers that they keep away from their kid for sure. Get a new relationship. I'mma just spite you and add this last name here. Like, let's not act like that doesn't exist.

[Mall]

For sure. Absolutely.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but how.

[Rory]

Like, to me, playing with last names is like a.

[Damaris]

When people. When people say that, it's just like, yes, there are. I'm sure there's women that are just so upset, and they just, you know, you're such a good dad, but they just want to keep the baby away from you. But let's be honest. How often does that really happen? You're really a great dad, but they want to keep the baby away from you. They want to keep their kids 247 and be a single mom and had his bad motherfucker living in this house with me 24 7. But you're such a great dad, they won't give him to you. How often do you think that really happens?

[Rory]

Let's. Let's talk about the rapper from Atlanta that put nobody on his verse on Donda Andre 3000. Hey, Miss Donda can you ask my father if he felt insecure that he didn't have my last name? My mama probably did it out of spite. It happens all the time. Like, what do we. He literally rapped about a healthy relationship of just young people having a kid. And out of spite, because she was in her feelings and a young lady that didn't know what she was doing was mad at the dad. His dad's last name is not Benjamin. That's his mother's last name.

[Damaris]

Okay, but that's.

[Rory]

Probably did it out of spite.

[Damaris]

But that's okay. We're talking about him having his mother's last name, not another man's last name. Or keeping away from. Keeping the kid away from his dad. We're talking about a last name.

[Rory]

I'm saying people, not just women, do things out of spite, and the last name is a big thing.

[Damaris]

Yes. Okay, but that was a completely different conversation.

[Rory]

I'm purposely giving my son my last name, even though my father is active right here. But she's doing it out of spite, but because they are in a rocky relationship.

[Damaris]

Okay, just because Andre said that on a song also does not mean that. That's just that, because also, if we're not. If we're not married. Why does my son have your last name and not mine? Why does your. Why is your last name more. More important that my son, who I pushed out of my. Should have a different last name than.

[Rory]

Me because of misogyny.

[Damaris]

Exactly.

[Mall]

Yo, Cool.

[Rory]

Yeah, but.

[Damaris]

Exactly.

[Rory]

But Andre 2000 didn't say. Okay. Because the world has been misogynistic since the day of time. He said she probably did it out of spite. Yeah, because he. No, I'm with you. That's why I even. I even said to kid, if you want to do the hyphenate. Like, there was one kid in my school that had the hyphenate thing, and we all thought he was a weirdo, but, you know, that kid usually ends up weird that has the hyphen. But I'm here for the hype. Hyphen. Yeah. You know, the kid with the hyphen ends up a little weird.

[Mall]

That's not true.

[Rory]

It's very true.

[Mall]

I feel like we can find out. I feel like it's a study on that somewhere. I feel like we could.

[Rory]

That kid ends up weird, but Because I do agree that a lot of that is based off ancient misogyny where the father. Just the last name goes to the kid. I was here for the hyphen. Keith was like, no, should. Mars should just have your last name. But I was open to it. I was definitely not against it at all.

[Damaris]

My kid will have a hyphen whether I'm married or not.

[Rory]

I respect that. Matter of fact, I don't know if I'm gonna have more kids.

[Mall]

Your kid will have a hyphen whether.

[Damaris]

I'm married or not. My kid. Even if I get married, my last name will be hyphenated. So my last name means a lot to me. A lot to me. I never said last names don't matter. Rory, you're being obtuse on purpose. I never said last names didn't matter. My last name means a lot to me, so I'm hyphenating regardless. But I've dealt with men that were like, I'm not with that. And I was like, I didn't plan on marrying you anym anyway. But some men don't like that, which is just so. It's all just ego based to me. Like, my kid will have my last name. Yeah, so will mine. It will have my last name too. My. My. My grandfather put a name on my last name and so did his parents. So, like, yeah, my shit means a lot to me. It could be, yeah.

[Rory]

I don't know if I'll have more kids. Most of my. My cousins are. Are so it. I have a girl. So, like the. The feral legacy, at least in this part of the tree, like, may end. So, yeah. Amara, you hyphenating that exactly? That. This is where I'm at with it.

[Mall]

I think I just want kids to be happy and healthy, man.

[Rory]

No, no, no, no, no, no. It's about you. It's not about the kids. No, you know, it's about how that. It's about how you feel.

[Mall]

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[Rory]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

All.

[Unidentified Female Guest]

So I have a question. So I had a friend from fourth grade, I mean, elementary school, all the way up to our late twenties needs. And last year, she graduated from this program, and I unfortunately didn't go because I just felt uncomfortable. I used to date her cousin, and we fell off pretty bad. And it was just seeing her whole family, which I used to be close with. And, you know, my ex already has his own family himself. He has kids, you know, his wife and everything. So I just felt like, you know, I didn't necessarily have to be at the party, but we could do something else so we could go out to dinner, we could go clubbing, etc. So that same year I got married. And guess what, y'? All, she didn't go to my wedding because I don't know if she felt, like, very hurt that I didn't go to a party, but she didn't go to my wedding. And we're still, like, on social media, but we really haven't spoken in, like, a year. And my baby shower is coming up, and. And I don't know, like, is it wrong that I don't invite her? Or should I invite her? Am I right for not inviting her? Because we still have, like, a circle of friends, but we, me and her just don't speak. So I just need advice, like, should I just really detach myself? Like, what should I do?

[Mall]

Don't invite her.

[Damaris]

It's given that y' all not friends, like, you gonna hang that up, baby?

[Rory]

I feel like you could probably.

[Mall]

And it's not like they're not friends because a beef. Because I think some people think that.

[Rory]

Outgrow each other.

[Mall]

Yeah, you just outgrow each other. It's not a. It's not like a. Something happened, like somebody said something, or. It's just one of those things where you just, you know, life just takes you in different directions. We don't speak as much, you know, I. She didn't come to your wedding. I don't see why she would come to your baby shower. I think that that's kind of like hand in hand, like.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

So, you know, I mean, did she.

[Rory]

Have a reason why she didn't show up to the wedding.

[Damaris]

She said, well, I mean, she assumes that it's because the other one didn't show up to, like, her graduation party or whatever, though.

[Rory]

I mean, she said that they're all in the same circle of friends. I mean, I'm not saying be Chatty Patty with everything, but I would talk to some people in your circle that are still close with her and get a temperature check. Like, hey, what happened with the wedding? Was it because of the graduation? Would it be weird if I didn't? Like, I would ask the circle of friends you're in that are still close with her.

[Mall]

No.

[Rory]

Yeah, that would be the people. I would.

[Mall]

Yeah, I would say, yeah, ask them. But if you're calling obviously here and asking us, my. My answer is, nah, don't invite her.

[Rory]

Yeah, I mean, I don't think you need to, to be quite honest. Yeah, skip the wedding. And, I mean, maybe you saved 200 on a plate. Like, maybe it was for the better that she didn't show.

[Mall]

Baby shower.

[Rory]

No, it's a wedding.

[Mall]

Oh, hey.

[Damaris]

Yeah, you pay per plate.

[Rory]

But, yeah, I would. I would ask.

[Mall]

They charge 200 a plate for a baby shower. I remember, which is, like, everybody cook something and bring it. Like, I ain't know it was 200.

[Damaris]

If we don't have. If we don't have this type of. Of friendship where you can call me. Sorry. And ask me these questions. Why would I show up to something, a wedding or a baby shower where I have to pay. I have to pay for this. I have to pay. I have to get you a gift. I have to get a dress. I'm spending money on somebody, and you ain't even really my friend. For real. Because you can't even call me and ask me what the fuck the issue is. I'm cool.

[Mall]

But it's a. There's a thing, though, because I know somebody that went through something like this with, you know, having a baby, baby shower and all of that, and they were like sisters. And to the day, I asked like, yo, what happened? You're like, yo, I don't know. Like, it just stopped talking. Stop, you know, reaching out. Didn't, you know, congratulate me when I was, you know, got pregnant, when I had the baby. Like, none of that. And it was like, just completely. Just don't speak. And it is the craziest shit in the world because I'm like, y' all were like sisters. You know what I'm saying? It's like, I don't know what happened. Like, so you know, things happen in friendships and relationships where there's a thing of. You kind of don't know what happened. And then so much time has passed where neither one of y' all reached out to kind of have that conversation. So now it's like, yo, we haven't spoken in over a year. Yeah, who's gonna make that call? I don't feel like I was wrong, so I shouldn't. Like, this person started acting funny and just completely like, you know, didn't acknowledge my wedding or didn't acknowledge my pregnancy or my baby shower. Like. Like, so I'm supposed to still even take all. Accept all of that and then reach out and be like, yo, like, some people feel like they shouldn't. It should be the other person. Like, yo, she's the one not speaking to me. Or she stopped talking to me all of a sudden. So why am I reaching out? Speaking out? Like, even me, sometimes I've had. I think I told you, like, I reached out to a couple of my friends that we just kind of lost touch. And I did not know why. Like, I cannot tell you why we stopped speaking, but it got to a point where I was just really confused. Like, yo, why the fuck do we not speak? Like, and then you reach out and then you realize, like, it really was nothing in particular. It was just kind of. It was just like a life thing. Like, yo, like, I have a kid now. You know, I'm doing this, and, you know, I'm busy with, you know, our show and doing things. Like, life just happens. But it is important to kind of, like, reach out and be like, yo, what? Like, what's up? Like, what's going on?

[Rory]

Oh, no, I. I agree. Because there's definitely, like, lifelong relationships with people that I don't speak to to every day, but love is always still there. But it kind of goes back full circle to the Japanese lady of, like, what does this mean to you? Like, if I'm comfortable us not speaking for years and years doesn't mean there's a problem. But if I haven't reached out, maybe I just don't need to. Like, maybe I can just move on with the people that are active in my life at this moment.

[Mall]

Yeah, but that's tough. When there's somebody that you knew from. For. Since you were 10, 11 years old, that's tough to kind of just be like, yo, we just don't. And like I said, y' all were through adulthood. You were in each other's lives. And then pregnancy happens or marriage happens and things like that. And then we just completely like, I'm trying.

[Rory]

All right, So I think, like, lifelong friends. My best friend. Yeah, he since kindergarten was we. He'd be invited to everything. But we also have a group chat with three other people that I'm still like, we talk every day in the group chat from high, like, high school friends. But I, I wouldn't be like, yo, y' all want to come to Amar's birthday party? I would. Only my man's from kindergarten. But those are still my lifelong friends. But, like, we don't hang out. Matter of fact, group chats is probably the reason why we're still communicating, still talking like that. Like, I wouldn't be like, yo, come to Amar's birthday, but party.

[Mall]

Were people that you went to high school with that you still talk to.

[Rory]

Yeah, cuz I, I, it's just not even that type of relationship. Like, we, they be throwing memes in the chat. Like, we don't have, like, life conversations like that. Matter of fact, one of them just had a kid, and that was the only reason that I had him come to Amar's second birthday, because he had a kid.

[Mall]

Now that I think about it, I don't speak to nobody from my high school.

[Damaris]

Well, you said they're all gay now.

[Mall]

I didn't say all most.

[Rory]

Which is. Which basically means they're rats.

[Mall]

Yeah. Like, it's called the Thug now.

[Rory]

Everyone you went to high school with, snitch.

[Mall]

See what I took from that thug? Bang everything. Now I know why I don't speak to them.

[Rory]

Because they, they rats.

[Mall]

Yeah, they're rats. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, but I don't know why. I don't.

[Rory]

There's not much.

[Mall]

No, I'm lying. It's people I went to high school with. But those are like, my, like, like family. That's like cousins, for real. Like, we speak, but outside of that, like, I really don't. Like, every now and then we may, you know, hit each other up. Yo, it's good. But I speak to people. Like, I lived, like, in my neighborhood every day, like, on my block. Like, we, you know what I'm saying? Grew up together. Like, I speak to them pretty often, if not every day. But yeah, like high school.

[Rory]

But I think sometimes life moments matter when it comes to guest lists. Like, like, even if you're getting married, your married friends may be closer to you because of the lifestyle y' all are living now versus the people that you've grown up with. Cruz, my guy from Rock Rock Nation. Cruz love Cruz, right. I've known Cruz for maybe three, four years at most. Cruz came to my daughter's second birthday.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Cruz as a child. Him. And I speak every single day because of work as well. Outside of me just liking Cruise as a person. Yeah, I. I thought of him before I thought of my high school friends that I've known for 30 years. Like, cuz, like, nah, y. Y' all don't have kids. Like, I also don't want to make that weird when I send you a kid birthday invite and you don't come now that. Now it's like, all right, that's weird. So, yeah, it's about your lifestyle too. Of the people that are around you that match with what you're going through at the time. Time, I. I think that's important.

[Mall]

I remember I didn't get invited to my boy's wedding, and everybody was like, damn, you don't feel no way about that. And at the time I didn't. But I didn't understand why I didn't feel away. And then him and him and his wife end up getting divorced in like two years. I was like, oh, that's why I didn't feel away, cuz I. I felt like that wasn't going to last. Cuz I remember in the moment, I did not really. I didn't feel any. I was just like, nah, I'm not tripping. Really. Did not. Did not care at all. You know what I'm saying? And then they got divorced. I was like, that's probably why it never really, like, bothered me that I didn't get. Didn't get invited because it was kind of like, didn't even last, like two years. I was divorced. So it's like, yeah, but I don't know. I think, I think.

[Rory]

Did you ever hear the 50 Cent Crazy Record with PNB Rock? Rest in peace. He said, I. I paid for my Cousin's wedding. Over 200,000. Six years later, he's the wrong man. Man, I'd be so tight.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah, that's tough. 200, 000, six years later, y' all divorced. Yeah.

[Rory]

But then also there's weddings that I wouldn't go to because I. I don't even believe y' all want to get married.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Rory]

I'm a waste. My weddings are expensive.

[Mall]

Like, sure.

[Rory]

Especially if they're not with Taylor's wedding, when she told me it was in New York, I was like, thank the Lord. Because I, knowing her, I thought that was gonna be in like, Brazil or something. I'm like, all right, well, let me start emptying the piggy bank now. When she said New York City, I was like, you have no idea how much that just changed my life because I have a child. I work every day I have going on. Like, yeah, that. That matters.

[Mall]

Absolutely. For sure.

[Rory]

I'm going to Maddie, who's writer on our staff. You guys remember Maddie?

[Mall]

Yes.

[Rory]

She's getting married in New Hampshire this month.

[Damaris]

That's a cute little drive wife.

[Rory]

Yeah. And I can't wait for a wedding. I love her husband. I offended him at my daughter's birthday party, which I told you guys I can't wait. But also, I should. I hit loy on the budget. This, like, where it is. It's in New Hampshire. Is not. There's not like, hotels and I gotta, like, rent a house. It's like a lot of money.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, that's a commitment for people to invite people to weddings. I hate and I love Maddie and I can't wait for it. But I'm not going to pretend like this isn't a pretty penny for fucking New Hampshire. Like, yeah, it's only renting houses. This only thing you can do.

[Damaris]

Don't invite me to your wedding. And God forbid, don't invite me to be in that bitch.

[Rory]

Please.

[Damaris]

Don't you think.

[Rory]

Do you think either of us will ever get married? Peach. I didn't like that laugh. I think that and only page came to my engagement party. Mall wouldn't drive to St. Albans, Queens, for me.

[Damaris]

I think there's a. There's.

[Mall]

I didn't even know you had an engagement party.

[Rory]

You were invited. Magic. I was 100%.

[Mall]

I don't even remember that.

[Damaris]

To. To answer. To answer the question.

[Mall]

I'm sorry. D. I'm sorry.

[Rory]

You can just put a cut of a beep and then we can get back into.

[Damaris]

Laughing. Well, Mark, laughing can lead into the question that you just asked.

[Rory]

Oh, no, no, no, no. We're rolling already. He's already cut it. And we're. We're moving forward, man.

[Damaris]

I think it's a possibility for each either of you to get married. Yeah, I think that's a possibility.

[Mall]

Thanks, Damaris. You really, really nailed it with that. It's a possibility. We know it's a possibility.

[Rory]

Anything's a possibility.

[Damaris]

I think it's. I think it's a possibility.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

Do you think Maul and I are going to get married?

[Damaris]

Not to each other, if you can.

[Rory]

I think there's a better possibility of Mall and I getting married.

[Mall]

To each other.

[Rory]

Listen. Well, yo, more. According to the government, we are, we are in bed together.

[Mall]

Oh, it's the same.

[Rory]

According to the IRS, it's the same. Doctor, we are 50. 50 partners.

[Damaris]

I, I think if you guys continue.

[Rory]

You want to take my last name in the way.

[Damaris]

If you continue in the way that you are currently. No, I do not think that either of you will get married in the.

[Mall]

Way you're currently going. What am I currently?

[Rory]

What am I? I'm actually in a very healthy place in my life.

[Mall]

Yeah, me too. Why you very healthy.

[Damaris]

Don't ask me questions y' all don't want the answers to. Y' all acting like my now, but.

[Mall]

I'm just as you answer, as you answer it. I'm just kind of like, you know, just ad libbing off your hands.

[Damaris]

Do y' all think y' all will get married?

[Mall]

Yeah, I think I will.

[Damaris]

When?

[Mall]

Now That I don't know. Only God ballpark carried it, too. I don't. Yeah.

[Rory]

Birthday's in two weeks.

[Mall]

Yeah. Who's counting? I don't know.

[Rory]

Still.

[Mall]

I don't know. Yeah. My 60s, maybe 50s. Yeah.

[Rory]

But at that point, I, I, I think, I think it's too late for.

[Mall]

You to get married.

[Rory]

No, no, no. I think, I think you can have a life partnership, a monogamous partnership with somebody for the rest of your life, but by the time you're 50 and have a little bit of money. What the. Why am I getting married? No, I mean, so I can die. You can just have all this, like.

[Mall]

No.

[Rory]

You know, marriage is, to me, is for, like, people. Lack of a better word. Like, in your 20s, where you think life.

[Mall]

You said lack of a better word and landed. Okay, good.

[Rory]

Like, you just have the hope that this is going to work out for the rest of your Life. In your 20s, your 30s, you have, you still have the dream.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Life has not torn you down and broken you down to the emoji that thug posted. You still have hope. You still think the world's going to bring you good things. And like, love exists and you hear. Not for people in their 50s.

[Damaris]

You hear this person talking, and they got upset when I said, I don't think that they will get married if they continue you to be the person that they are. Do you hear the way that he's talking about love and marriage and partnership? Okay.

[Rory]

I said, probably not. But I am in a healthy place. I can receive love. I just. First of all, I'm only 35. We established that mall is 46 today. I'm saying, yeah, I think once you hit 50, what's the point in getting married?

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You could still have a life partnership.

[Mall]

Just.

[Rory]

Why am I. I'm signing a document at 50 years old. Yeah, I'm cool. I could do a will, y'.

[Mall]

All.

[Rory]

Do I have a will?

[Damaris]

Y' all keep saying, like, everything, that signing a document thing. When marriage. The government eventually got in your business, but marriage did not start out as a business agreement. Is it a business agreement? Yes, but that's not all there is to marriage.

[Mall]

I think marriage started as a business.

[Damaris]

People. People go, probably people go in front of God and promise and devote themselves to their partner in front of their God of choice. That is the most important part about marriage. So this knocking it down to just a business agreement or signing a piece of paper. No, I'm standing in front of an alt altar in pledging myself to you in front of whoever our chosen deity.

[Mall]

To have. Well, I don't know. Actually, just a great wedding song. I don't know.

[Damaris]

That's not a. That's not a good. It's a breakup song.

[Mall]

No, but it's still a good wedding. Yeah. I broke up with my girlfriend and married you.

[Damaris]

And you're saying I'd give my all to have just one more night with my ex while I'm standing at the Ultra Wood?

[Rory]

It was a shotgun wedding. We're getting married because she's pregnant.

[Mall]

I'm doing it right there.

[Rory]

My. My mom baptized my daughter in my bathtub. So, like, you could do anything.

[Mall]

Yeah, you can do anything.

[Rory]

I'm not saying Maul would not go. I mean, he has a Jesus piece, so clearly he would go upon white Christ. He could do that with his partner. Yeah, but that's not government wise. You could just do a will.

[Damaris]

Rory, when y' all be thinking, in.

[Rory]

My will, it says all the pull the plugs. Who's allowed here? Here? Damaris. You're allowed to pull the plugs.

[Damaris]

Like, don't put that on me.

[Rory]

Oh, it's. It's in there. It's in writing. That's.

[Damaris]

L. That's not. It's not in writing. You did not give me permission. You didn't ask me if I wanted that responsibility.

[Mall]

Pull it.

[Damaris]

I would. That's what I'm saying. Wait, am I. No, no, no.

[Rory]

Half in on the wheel. Wheels are expensive.

[Damaris]

Am I in the will, or am I in the business agreement that if you so do pass, I get a piece of the business?

[Rory]

No, that's not.

[Damaris]

So then why the. Are you putting a pulling A plug on me. Because then I'm just going to kill you because I. What the.

[Mall]

If the marriage will pull that plug so fast.

[Rory]

You know, it was one of the, like, more morbid things when Mall and I started our business was when Loyon put together that agreement of if one of us dies, and we had to have a. We had to have a real conference call about Mall dying or me dying. Yeah, no, but he was doing his job. Like, you have to. Yeah, no, of course. It was just. It was like having the if I die call on your calendar is crazy.

[Mall]

Crazy.

[Rory]

That was a very morbid zoo. Like.

[Damaris]

Morbidity.

[Rory]

Listen, all right, so you sign in here to say that 50 go to his family. I was like, I mean, Lauren, I would do that anyways. We don't need to, like. Like, I would have hit Biggs and be like, yo, take this 50 and give it to his sister. His. His nephew. His mom.

[Mall]

Holy.

[Rory]

Was like, nah, you gotta have that in writing. I was like, all right, I'll sign this death certificate.

[Mall]

Life is so crazy, man. To the young lady, though, do not invite her. I guess know, see a baby shower.

[Damaris]

Or if you miss her caller and say, oh, what's the problem? People be so afraid of, like, confrontation. Not all confrontation has to be negative. Like, if you care about this person and you want to fix the relationship, obviously you do, cuz you're even considering this, call her and say, yo, what's up? Like, what's going on with us? It's going to be uncomfortable. It's going to make you feel weird in your crevices. But, like, if you care about this person, and sometimes that's just what you got to do. Everybody got to stop being so afraid of confrontation. Like, figure out what the. Because sometimes the problem don't even be that serious. Y' all can get over it.

[Mall]

Don't even be that deep. Right. It ain't that serious. Like, we could have had this conversation a year and a half ago.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Is y'. All.

[Damaris]

So if y' all be. It's like y' all are scared. Like, what the are y' all so afraid of? People be afraid to have conversations.

[Mall]

I saw Rory in them Twitter spaces again.

[Rory]

Yeah, I was. I was on.

[Mall]

Why do I keep getting those? Not. How do I turn that off on my phone?

[Damaris]

You probably can just go in there.

[Rory]

I. You get notifications when you was in Twitter space?

[Damaris]

I was in Twitter spaces. You said you was giving Amara back.

[Rory]

F. No, this was last night. You were talking about. What was that Saturday that you would Hit me.

[Damaris]

Yeah, Twitter spaces. Friday. Yeah, Friday.

[Rory]

No, you get notifications for it, though.

[Mall]

From anything that my name is mentioned in.

[Rory]

Oh, you got, like, Google alerts and on.

[Mall]

I don't know what the it is. I'm like, I don't care about none of this. Why am I getting alerted about this? I don't care.

[Rory]

You have six phones.

[Mall]

That's why. Yeah, that is true. True. We should do another spaces soon, though. I'm down.

[Rory]

Yeah, I'm defy down.

[Mall]

Talk to the girls. What's my girl's name? Kiara. What's the other ones?

[Rory]

That's Damaris was on. On with Nene on Saturday.

[Mall]

And it's another one. What's the other one? We met at the New York show.

[Damaris]

I don't remember.

[Mall]

I forgot her name. Damn. I don't. I don't want to.

[Damaris]

But, yeah, I was in. I was in Twitter spaces with them because. Well, the name of the Twitter spaces was like, oh, talking about this, talking about that. And then they put Sassy Maris in there. So I wrote, like, the. You calling me sassy?

[Rory]

That's why you were texting me to. To. To get in the space? No.

[Mall]

So you had space beef?

[Rory]

Oh, no, we. No, we could have got it shaking if you wanted.

[Mall]

It wasn't. It wasn't space.

[Rory]

I mean, Amar could have bathed herself. Damaris, like, you could have just. You should have told me that part.

[Mall]

Yeah. Why you ain't called me? I would have ran down with you.

[Damaris]

No, I don't need to run down. I just want to know. I'm like, well, why are y' all calling me sassy? And they said, because when I did my calling, during. When I was in Curacao, when I did my calling, they said I seem like I had an attitude and, like, I didn't want to be there.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah, we said the same thing.

[Rory]

Because you dislocated your hip in a pool?

[Damaris]

No, not even that. But because I was still having problems with my ovari.

[Rory]

That's.

[Damaris]

That was. I was in a lot of pain. So I told them that I was like, I wasn't being sassy. They didn't force me to call in. That was actually my idea. But I was just in a lot of pain, and I was trying to not look like I was in pain, but I was in pain, which is why I got off the phone so abruptly.

[Mall]

Oh, shout out to the girls. Because we definitely said that in here. Peach was like, damn. Damaris was like, she didn't want to do that.

[Damaris]

No, I wasn't I wasn't paying.

[Rory]

I think we cut half of it.

[Damaris]

And the crazy. Yeah, we did the crazy.

[Rory]

Most of it. I called Roar.

[Damaris]

I mean, I text Rory and said, hey, I'm sorry, which I wish you would have shared with them instead of everybody's thinking, I just got a attitude problem. I text you and said, hey, I'm in a lot of pain. That's why I got off.

[Rory]

We knew off mic that you were not feeling well. Oh, we knew that part. That's why you need a will.

[Mall]

Just in case.

[Rory]

Okay. Yeah, I. I finally convinced my dad at his age to. To get a will. That took years of convincing Jake.

[Mall]

He doesn't need a will. A will needs Jake.

[Rory]

We were at Yankee Stadium. He had shorts on, and I. I could see, like, a bump on the side of his calf. And I was like, what's that? He said, my cancer's acting up.

[Mall]

I didn't mean to laugh, but that's.

[Rory]

That is such a Jake answer. I bust out laughing. My cancer's acting up, nigga. It's not like arthritis, like a rash.

[Mall]

My cancer's acting up, man. Like, you get to a point in life where you just, like, just bring it on, man. Who gives a fuck?

[Damaris]

Big ass tumor on your. Your leg. My cancer's acting up again.

[Rory]

You're getting it removed. That the. In the hospital every other day, there's a new tumor just getting removed. He walk out like he just got the flu shot. Like, yo, like the way I've seen other people get tumors removed. It's like a whole thing. It's a process. Yeah, he really just be walking out like, no, I'm good.

[Mall]

They don't make him like that no more. Let's see. That's the problem.

[Rory]

He don't even be limping. He'd be trying to walk on the leg.

[Mall]

Yeah, I don't. They don't make him like Jake no more, man. We need to bring the Jakes back, man.

[Rory]

Do we? We didn't show my Uncle Brian's ashes. We didn't show that video, did we?

[Mall]

Oh, my God. I laughed so hard at that.

[Damaris]

What?

[Mall]

I laughed so hard, I put it in the chat.

[Rory]

We. We tried to spread my Uncle Brian's ashes at Yankee Stadium, but how the wind was working, and nobody would listen to me. How the wind was working.

[Mall]

Uncle Brian's ashes ended up on Jerome ash on the top of a fucking Civic.

[Rory]

Uncle Brian's ashes all over the window of the Fortrain.

[Mall]

Just the thought of it sounds great. His ashes are blowing his center field Maybe left field, get some ashes, or maybe Aaron Judge, who knows? But like, it did not happen that way. They were at the top of the stadium. Like the last seat went to the side of the stadium and you know, had a bag, dumped the asses. And the wind was blowing out of the stadium, around the back of the stadium onto Jerome Avenue in the Ford train.

[Rory]

I didn't send y'. All. There was another angle of the seats we were in because I showed y' all the video that I was taking. When we were up there, somebody in the seats, we were across the stadium, took another video. And you can see the ashes swoop out of the stadium. And everyone on the bus back was like, no, I think they made it to the field. And I was like, whoever took that video followed the ashes out of the stadium.

[Mall]

Yeah. Uncle Brian is not in center field. I can promise you he's not well.

[Damaris]

When the wind blows the other the other way, one day they'll blow him into the stadium.

[Mall]

No, no, no. I don't think you understand. It rained all kind of shit since then. Uncle Brian is in the sewer.

[Rory]

His elbow is in col. Concourse Village.

[Mall]

Yeah. New York City. It's, it's. Uncle Brian knows that they meant well, but he's, he's nowhere near Yankee Stadium. I can promise you that. Yo, he's not. But I understand it was a great, you know, great sentiment. Y tried, but.

[Rory]

So they, they, they taped, they taped his photo. We bought an extra ticket, cuz this is.

[Mall]

Which I was supposed to do was get the ticket to go on the field before the game and just kind of sprinkle them right there on the third baseline.

[Rory]

M. My godfather asked a bar to open at 7:30 in the morning where the bus was in Nutley, New Jersey. 7:30 in the morning. He opened a bar for 45 Irish. You think anyone was making it onto the field when they started drinking at 7:30? The entire bus was just coolers of Bud Light everywhere. Yeah, I'm shocked we made it to the game.

[Mall]

Yeah, they went, they win.

[Rory]

Y. Oh yeah.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

Smoked them.

[Mall]

Okay, good.

[Rory]

No, I, I have good luck with Yankee Stadium. But we, we put my Uncle Brian's. We bought an extra ticket and put his picture like on one of the, the seats, like in the section. And somebody with us had like a, a 911 shirt on.

[Mall]

Never forget, of course.

[Rory]

And a woman walked up and was like, did he die in 9 11? I was like, no, no, no, he didn't. And she said, well, my husband did. Yeah, he was a firefighter. I was like, I thank him for his service. I swear to God. This is awkward.

[Mall]

People are so awkward, yo. Like, I was so awkward.

[Rory]

And then meet my awkward ass is like, okay, yeah.

[Mall]

Well, thank you.

[Rory]

Who just yelled, did he die in 9 11?

[Mall]

I mean, it makes sense, though.

[Rory]

I get it. The shirt.

[Mall]

Yeah, it makes sense.

[Rory]

But no, we weren't doing a tribute to 9 11. It was in August.

[Mall]

And then the ashes, obviously I could get it all ties together always what I'm saying. Oh, man.

[Rory]

Well, rest in peace, uncle Brian.

[Mall]

Man, Rest in peace. Uncle Brian.

[Rory]

You were laid to rest on Jerome.

[Mall]

Avenue and 911 is in a couple days again. So rest in peace to everybody that was lost in 911. Right. Because we can never forget for sure. Yeah, absolutely. All right, well, we'll talk to you in a couple days on 911. On 911. We'll talk to Y on 9 11. 91 1.

[Rory]

Don't we have Jocelyn on 9 11?

[Mall]

Oh, my God. Pray for us as we pray for y' all and we'll talk to y' all soon. Be safe, be blessed. I'm that he's just ginger.

[Rory]

We should just do a whole 911 conspiracy episode with Jocelyn.

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