Episode 407 | Talent Show

Summary

New Rory & MAL - Episode 407 | "Talent Show"

Date: September 19, 2025
Hosts: Rory, Mal, Dame, Damaris
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume

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Overview

Episode 407 of New Rory & Mal, titled "Talent Show", brings comical banter and sharp cultural commentary around recent hot topics: the release of Cardi B’s highly-anticipated album, viral moments from Dame Dash's wild new Breakfast Club appearance, thoughts on appropriate workplace flirting, and the unglamorous grind of "local rappers" aiming for stardom. The hosts toggle between music critique, relationship talk, and messy internet moments, always keeping the laughs—and subtle life advice—flowing.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Cardi B’s New Album Drops: Tracklists, Features, and First Reactions

[04:04 - 12:23]

• The team imagines listeners are probably bumping Cardi B’s new album rather than their show:
  • Ma: “I mean, instant classic out the gate with the summer. I think the summer intro rivals Dreams and Nightmares.” (04:21)
• They analyze the fictional (or speculated) tracklist, debating the realness of features like Janet Jackson:
  • Dame: “Janet Jackson has never featured on a woman’s record ever in life. Ever.” (05:44)
  • The debate over what counts as a “feature”—actual vocals, or just a sample (using Jay-Z/Kanye’s "Otis" as an example).
• Criticism of “Imaginary Player” as a single:
  • Dame: “That record came and went as much as the hype was for... I don’t hear that record. I don’t feel that record.” (07:17)
  • Ma argues maybe it’s just out of Dame’s music scene, while Rory looks forward to the Tyler and Kehlani collabs.

Notable Quote:

• Ma: “Congrats to Cardi. Getting out an album is very hard. Congrats on the pregnancy.” (12:10)

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2. Cardi B’s Pregnancy and Touring After Baby

[12:23 - 16:59]

• Discussion about the logistics and public reaction to Cardi’s pregnancy and imminent tour:
  • Rory: "When is the baby due? Because... what’s going on if I’m buying tour tickets?" (12:23)
  • Is the tour a lock with a newborn? Mal and Dame discuss how manageable this is for someone with Cardi’s resources and fanbase.
  • Joking about possible names for the child—“Culture” was inspired by Migos; maybe the next will be “Drama".
  • The cyclical nature of musicians’ and athletes’ personal lives feeding internet narratives.

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3. The Local Rapper Grind & Talent Shows

[20:52 - 26:18]

• Jokes about local rappers flooding their DMs and staying “local” forever:
  • Ma: “Some of them have been local my entire life.” (21:07)
• Open mics versus high school talent shows and their place for aspiring artists.
• Touching story about open mic nights in NYC—Elle Varner goes from coat check girl to stealing the show:
  • Ma: “Elvara had two notes, he was like, yeah, it’s over.” (25:45)

Notable Quote:

• Rory: “If you’ve been doing it for 10 years and no motion has come, you need to get a job.” (21:50)

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4. Critiquing Kids’ Hopes and the Value of Honest Feedback

[26:36 - 28:40]

• Should grown-ups tell teenagers at talent shows to quit if they have no shot?
  • Rory: “If you’re doing this to be successful, I’d say you should probably stop.” (27:12)
  • Referencing Jerry Seinfeld’s method: “You won’t make it, you’re trash, you’re awful... If that stops somebody, they wouldn’t have made it anyway.” (27:23)

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5. Relationships, Virginity, and Growing Up (with the Typical New Rory & Mal Edge)

[28:43 - 35:38]

• Where people lose their virginity, “cool moms,” and generational differences:
  • Dame: "Girls don’t lose their virginity in their house. Like, if she has both parents, that does not happen." (30:22)
  • Ma: "Cool mom's basement is where virginities go to be taken. Souls of virginities right under the concrete." (30:48)
• Old-fashioned standards vs. modern expectations for sex and relationships.
  • Rory: “Would y’all want to be locked in with the first person y’all had sex with?” (32:56)
• The hosts riff on the pitfalls of waiting for marriage, generational differences, and learning about yourself through dating.

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6. Dame Dash Goes Viral on Breakfast Club: The Chairman Chaos

[41:58 - 53:41]

• Recap of Dame Dash’s explosive new Breakfast Club interview:
  • Ma: "Anytime Charlemagne said anything, Dame would say 'That’s because you’re gay.'" (43:00)
  • Chaos, confusion about Dame’s claims of being “chairman” at Revolt.
  • The antics—Dame standing, running laps, dismissing official statements about his status at Revolt.
• The viral energy and its impact:
  • Dame: "That Revolt shit, yo, if that never happens, that he's the fucking chairman, that’s gonna make this episode even more of a classic." (53:41)
• Frustration about personal beefs between Dame and Cam’ron spilling into the public.
  • Ma: “You’re wrong for reaching out to Dame’s son to pay him to either come on the show, do something. Nah, this is between me and you.” (55:42)

Notable Quote:

• Ma: “How do you argue with someone and when you ask a valid question, the only response is 'it’s because you’re gay?'” (48:06)

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7. Interpersonal Boundaries: Kids, Internet Beefs, and Privacy

[58:00 - 60:45]

• The crew draws a hard line at involving kids in adult disputes, expressing discomfort with using family as chess pieces in public feuds.
• Worries about OGs setting the wrong example for the younger generation with messy, personal internet spats.

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8. Respect in the Studio: Flirting and Kicking Out Guests

[70:22 - 79:01]

• Cam’ron kicks boxer Adrian Broner off his show for disrespectfully flirting with co-host Stat Baby (“her man is here!”):
  • Dame: “Her boyfriend is present ... you gotta, clearly, Adrian wasn’t in the most clearest of minds.” (71:24)
• The right and wrong ways to handle disrespectful guests—professionalism, accountability, and not talking smack behind someone’s back.
  • Rory: “If you gonna say it, say it while he’s there … like, yo, get out the room, you fucking junkie!” (74:38)

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9. Dating, Side-Dude Logic, and Cheating Confessions

[79:01 - 86:40]

• The side-dude mentality, picking up on cheating cues, and debates about who’s really at fault for dishonesty.
  • Rory: “You too are a piece of shit.” (81:45)
• Jokes about potential "blood sacrifices" required just to cheat in a relationship, and the futile justifications some men/women use to clear their own conscience post-breakup.

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10. Hilarious Mailbag: Paying for Amateur Porn & Spam Calls

[88:14 - 94:41]

• Listener asks if the hosts have ever paid for a porn site:
  • Rory: “Don’t tell me to keep up the grind when you’re asking about my porn.” (89:34)
  • They almost shame the caller for paying for low-quality “desperate amateur” porn.
• Discussion veers toward modern spam calls and how easy it is for marketers (and scammers) to get your info.

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11. Closing Banter: Romantic Gestures and The Cardi “Let Me Heal You” Meme

[94:55 - END]

• The crew ponders female equivalents to the classic “forehead kiss,” then riff on Cardi B revealing Stefon Diggs’ romantic opening line as “let me heal you.”
• Decides it’s Patreon content fodder.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Ma: “Cool mom's basement is where virginities go to be taken. Souls ... right under the concrete.” (30:48)
• Rory: “Would y’all want to be locked in with the first person y’all had sex with?” (32:56)
• Ma: “How do you argue with someone and ... the only response they have at that point is, ‘It’s because you’re gay?’” (48:06)
• Dame: "That Revolt shit, yo, if that never happens ... that he’s the fucking chairman, that’s gonna make this episode even more of a classic." (53:41)
• Ma: "Congrats to Cardi. Getting out of album is very hard. Congrats on the pregnancy." (12:10)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Topic | Start | End | |------------------------------------------|-----------|-----------| | Cardi B album talk & tracklist analysis | 04:04 | 12:23 | | Cardi’s pregnancy and tour | 12:23 | 16:59 | | Local rappers & talent show stories | 20:52 | 26:18 | | Brutal advice for young artists | 26:36 | 28:40 | | Virginity, cool moms, dating lessons | 28:43 | 35:38 | | Dame Dash’s viral Breakfast Club moment | 41:58 | 53:41 | | Dame & Cam'ron feud ethics | 55:03 | 60:45 | | Handling disrespectful guests | 70:22 | 79:01 | | Cheating, side-dudes, relationship lies | 79:01 | 86:40 | | Mailbag: porn, kinks, and spam calls | 88:14 | 94:41 | | Forehead kisses/Cardi’s “let me heal you”| 94:55 | End |

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Tone & Style

The episode is trademark New Rory & MAL:

• Casual, irreverent, occasionally raunchy.
• Blunt, but affectionate honesty about music, relationships, and internet culture.
• Frequent pop-culture references and inside jokes (especially about hip hop, social media, and NYC life).
• The team often derails into funny, real-life anecdotes, always circling back to wider themes about success, embarrassment, loyalty, and the value of self-awareness.

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Summary

Episode 407 gives listeners a peek behind the music-industry curtain (Cardi B’s album, Dame Dash’s media stunts), while exploring universal truths about ambition, honesty, and messy, hilarious personal lives. Whether you're a local rapper grinding on open mic nights, a celebrity dealing with public drama, or just dodging spam calls, New Rory & Mal is here to make it all feel like part of the show.

Transcript

[Rory]

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[Dame]

The volume no worry.

[Ma]

And now happy end of the week everyone. What a week it's been, right?

[Rory]

Right?

[Ma]

Hasn't it been great? I'm sorry, isn't life just a gift?

[Dame]

Life is a gift.

[Ma]

It definitely is. Every moment counts.

[Dame]

Some people have more gifts that are coming.

[Ma]

That is true. That is definitely true. But what a week. Weather's starting to get a little colder. They tried to trick us. Now it's 80 degrees. But other than that, I couldn't be happier. I'm in a good mood, a little tired, but, you know, we're pushing through. Thank God we're boosted. Sponsored by Boost.

[Dame]

Thank you for that, Rory, that was so eloquently said and delivered to the people. Appreciate that.

[Ma]

I don't know how to start pods, man. Just start rambling.

[Dame]

That's all you got to do. Start talking. How you feeling, man? You've been, you've been busy, though. You've been. You had a busy week. You've been in the studio.

[Ma]

Yeah.

[Dame]

Every day.

[Ma]

Been an absentee father.

[Dame]

Yeah. You abandon your child. Right. Welcome. You are black. And I thought right on par, abandoning.

[Ma]

Your child to go live in a motel. Yeah. In. Listen, the town you live in.

[Dame]

20 minutes away. 20 minutes away. Yeah, absolutely. I love it.

[Ma]

But yeah, it's, it's been a week. I can't wait to talk about it on Monday because it'll either go amazing or it'll scratch and it's gonna go. Something's gonna happen. Something is that when you're listening to this, something has happened.

[Dame]

Something is happening. But as you hear this.

[Ma]

But I mean, I'm sure you're probably listening to the Cardi B album right now and not us, so I feel like we can say whatever on this one.

[Dame]

So the album is, Is out.

[Ma]

It is out right now as they're hearing this. Yes, it is Thursday right now.

[Dame]

All right, so let's speak into, let's speak as if we're already listening to the album. It's Friday. What, what are our thoughts?

[Ma]

I mean, instant classic out the gate with the summer. I think the summer intro rivals dreams and nightmares. I mean, that's, that's really where I'm, I'm looking at it. Can we pull up the, the track list? Because I, I, I believe I saw a very Heart of the City esque record for sure in there. I think even track six kind of compares to the World is yours. So, I mean, to me, it's just.

[Dame]

An instant Now, I told y', all I don't want to talk about Cardi's album, but I have to.

[Ma]

Number 23. What a record.

[Dame]

All right, so here's the track list.

[Ma]

What a surprise for us.

[Dame]

Number 20. Shut up. Number 23 is WAP. But so the. The guest appearances or features are Selena Gomez, Summer Walker, Kehlani Lizzo, Cash Cobain. Okay. It's a Bronx record.

[Ma]

Yeah.

[Dame]

Janet Jackson.

[Ma]

Now, are we thinking this is a Janet Jackson feature, or is this a Watch the Throne Otis Redding situation where now the sample becomes the feature?

[Dame]

Well, it says principal, so she probably sampled Pleasure Principle, so I'm guessing it's not just the intel. It's a song. Cardi is rapping on it.

[Ma]

And do we think Janet, like, recut something else?

[Rory]

I would be extremely surprised. Janet Jackson has never featured on a woman's record ever in life. Ever.

[Ma]

So you're trying to say she's like, misogynistic or.

[Dame]

Now hold on, hold on, hold on. If. If Janet Jackson didn't cut any vocals for this and it's just a sample and I'm using the. Can you say featuring Janet Jackson?

[Ma]

Don't. Don't do that. Because.

[Dame]

Because I'm asking.

[Ma]

Your big bro did it. He's. He was actually the first one to do it. And I remember talk my friends, like, all right, what precedent did they just set right now with what making the featured artist just a sample? Because Otis Redding. That was just a sample on. On Otis, and it said featuring, which I think had something to do with. With paperwork. But we didn't know that from behind the scenes. The world just thought, well, Otis Redding was on. So it was like, no, this is just a sample.

[Dame]

Well, obviously Otis Redding couldn't cut.

[Ma]

I know. That's why so. But I mean, this is the first time I think I've seen it since. If this is just a Janet sample that now says featuring Janet Jackson, like, if she's a primary artist on this office sample times are just going to get weirder.

[Dame]

Listen, y' all know I. With Cardi. I love Cardi, but I'm. I'm scared because that. That. That record, that imaginary player record came and went.

[Ma]

That was just. That was the street record that was for mix show. That was just a little taste before the album.

[Dame]

What street, though? You're not playing that on your street.

[Rory]

Yes, I am.

[Dame]

No, you not. Cut. Cut the. You not playing that record.

[Ma]

Okay, where they.

[Rory]

You know what? Now I even going to bring.

[Ma]

I'm not playing. I'm not playing it.

[Dame]

But I. I'm just saying it came and went as. As much as the hype was for.

[Ma]

Women to talk their. I have. I have the Jay Z version, which is up to now even say the.

[Dame]

J. I have the. I have the one I'm just saying I don't. And again, I'm not out every night, but I just don't hear that record. I don't feel that record.

[Ma]

Uhhuh.

[Rory]

What do you hear, Ma? Because you always saying you don't hear somebody playing this. You don't hear somebody playing this. What do you hear when you out?

[Dame]

I mean, I hear a lot of this Drill shit. That's, you know, a lot of the Drill rappers.

[Rory]

I don't hear Drill when I'm out.

[Dame]

I hear a lot of fucking like south shit. A lot of south artists. I really don't hear like a lot of. I hear lotto. I hear lotto records when I'm out.

[Ma]

I guarantee at say Less, when Hitboy was there, it was just on our episode today. I guarantee you that record played at say Less while he was there.

[Dame]

I'm not saying it didn't, I'm just saying I don't hear the record, I don't feel the record for what we had going into the record when we found out it was, you know, the sample was cleared. I'm just saying that energy that was around the record before it came out.

[Ma]

Yeah.

[Dame]

I'm just saying there's like you don't really feel the energy around the record is what I'm saying.

[Ma]

I mean, I just think maybe you're not in the spots where it gets played, but where is it playing?

[Dame]

Just the strip clubs.

[Ma]

Strip clubs, Hookah lounge, I don't know, up on Dyckman, where 20 year olds hang out.

[Dame]

Okay.

[Rory]

I'm looking for most. I'm looking most forward to the Kehlani record, the Tyler record, obviously the Janet Jackson record. Just because I'm a huge Janet Jackson fan. I just want to see what it's going to sound like. And the Cash Cobain record, I think.

[Ma]

I think the Tyler one is the one I'm most excited about. I really hope Cardi and Tyler give us, give us a joint. It's not too late still September. I hope they give us, give us one to get right through fall. Yeah, I hope, but it scares me. And this is like a back in the day thing though.

[Rory]

This too far down.

[Ma]

It's really far down on the track list. And usually it's changed with streaming, but during the CD days that used to mean the shittier records were towards the end. So I don't know. That is a very low spot for what we would think that type of afrobeat esque type of record would be. But I mean it does follow up with Killing you Hoes. So who knows which is the out. Which is technically the outro, right?

[Dame]

No, there's two more after that.

[Ma]

Well, no, I'm saying technically the outro.

[Dame]

It's two more records. It's up.

[Rory]

I love a technical.

[Dame]

And what the outro is Wop.

[Ma]

All right, where does WAP as an outro? I don't know, compare maybe to my first song on the Black Album as an outro. What do you think? Like, really, really, like, ends an album almost in like a movie esque type of roll the credits. Way to end a career.

[Dame]

No, I got a feeling this album gonna be good, though.

[Rory]

I think so too.

[Dame]

I think it's gonna be a good album.

[Ma]

I thought she was rapping well on Imaginary Player. My only thing was I have the Jay Z one. But if, like the raps weren't bad, but it's not like Scotty's not rapping well.

[Dame]

Yeah, but it just didn't. It didn't. It didn't land the way I thought it was. Like, it didn't connect the way I thought it was. Like, when we heard about the sample, it was like, okay. And then we got it. It was like, it was cool, but it didn't really. It didn't land in hit the way I thought it was.

[Ma]

But I think we're at that age now, which is even a separate conversation from Cardi. Imaginary Players. Like, when I would play certain rap records around my mom or my dad, it wasn't that they hated rap by any means. They would just have such familiar samples of music that they grew up listening to that they were like, this doesn't hit the same for me. And to me, I hadn't heard some of those samples before, so it was a fresh record to me. So for younger people, Imaginary Players could hit. We've been listening to it since 1997. So it's just like. I mean, I have this. This is embedded in my brain. Younger people probably hadn't heard that. If you saw Imaginary Players, when I think like the highest it had ever been in streaming the day after that came out, everyone was like, discovering the song. So I think it hit to some people that that's their version of like, like going through the crates and like, that's the young person's version.

[Dame]

They think that Jay didn't sample it. Like, Jay, that's an original.

[Ma]

No, they went. They. They went and did the Knowledge on Spotify.

[Dame]

Okay?

[Ma]

They went and searched for it, but yeah, out now I'm curious what. What the energy is going to be, but I don't think you can accurately find that out anymore with Twitter algorithms. Like, if I click, if I see one critique of Cardi tomorrow morning when.

[Rory]

I wake up and you stand up for too long.

[Ma]

Yeah. If I. If I don't scroll right away, suddenly.

[Rory]

You'Re in barb land.

[Ma]

Or even like, pretend my brain didn't even see it. I will just see negative comments for the remainder of the day unless I seek out positive ones and click them and then click. So I don't even know if we'll be able to get a gauge. When it comes to an artist like Cardi, outside of just the stand culture, when it comes to women rappers, it's. It's a little. Little chattier from men too. I'm not saying it's from women.

[Rory]

Everybody has so much to say. Yeah, everybody's rap critiques when it comes to female rap.

[Ma]

Yeah. But I mean, either way, congrats to Cardi. Getting out of album is very hard. Congrats on the pregnancy. So, like, I'm. I'm happy for her. I know she's nervous, but this is. This is big.

[Rory]

What I'm is like, yo, you buying Cardi tour tickets, baby? When is the baby due? Because I'm. What's going on when the baby do. If I'm buying tour tickets.

[Ma]

So what's funny is like.

[Rory]

Like, you gonna have like a.

[Dame]

She announced the tour, right?

[Ma]

Yeah, I believe so.

[Rory]

Yeah. The tour starts in February. I mean, of course, but how far before, like, what be going on? Yeah, you know, you gotta let your six weeks pass.

[Ma]

Yeah. Some maternity leave, some skin to skin, some breastfeeding. Stefan's gonna be probably in the Super Bowl.

[Dame]

He's not.

[Rory]

What team does he play for?

[Dame]

He definitely will not be in the Super Bowl.

[Ma]

You don't think so?

[Dame]

Absolutely not.

[Ma]

You don't think New England shocks the world?

[Dame]

They don't have a chance.

[Ma]

Okay, well, Stefon will definitely probably be free. And I forgot the Pro bowl is even a thing anymore. I thought that was a sketch. When Cardi announced it with Gayle King, I legitimately thought that was like a funny promo. Leaning into the rumors.

[Rory]

Yeah, I still haven't.

[Ma]

It felt like a sketch. And then everyone was like, no, this is real.

[Dame]

Are we sure? Are we.

[Rory]

Are we sure that this is real?

[Ma]

It felt very sketchy to me.

[Dame]

That's a double entendre.

[Ma]

I know. And I actually didn't even mean to. After I said it, I was like, oh, my pen's crazy.

[Dame]

So is it official? Is Cardi officially pregnant? It's Official.

[Rory]

Allegedly.

[Ma]

Can you pull up the Gayle King?

[Dame]

Allegedly.

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[Rory]

E News reports it today.com, page six.

[Dame]

ESPN, everybody's reporting at Dennis. Official. She's pregnant. Okay, well, congrats to her and Stefan. You know, it's gonna be interesting to see how she is able to, you know, have a newborn and then try to hit the road right immediately after. Like, that's a tight window. That's a tight turnaround. February. That's a tight.

[Rory]

That's what I'm saying. That's a tight turn. I was like, when the baby. Dude, like, oh.

[Ma]

I don't think in any world that Cardi B is not gonna be able to sell out her tour whatsoever. She's a loyal fan base. I know she's gonna sell. I don't think she's. Back up.

[Dame]

Let's back up.

[Ma]

What a good contingency to have.

[Dame]

Let's back up a little bit.

[Ma]

You could just be like, we canceled the tour because of the baby.

[Dame]

Let's back up a little bit. Because when her and Stephan popped out at that Nick game, you niggas sat here, was like, nah, she just having fun. She just.

[Rory]

Y', all, I'm eating my words. Hey, I'm here to eat.

[Dame]

Listen, man, listen. I'm not. Rory trying to sit here with his podcast voice and talk about tour dates. Fuck the tour dates.

[Ma]

Rory.

[Dame]

Y' all sat here and was like, nah, she's just having fun, you know? And I said, all right. I said, popping out at a Nick playoff game courtside is a statement.

[Ma]

Okay?

[Dame]

That's not fun in games.

[Ma]

Let's not rewrite history because you have some words to eat as well.

[Dame]

What words?

[Ma]

You were saying that the only thing that's going to happen is we're going to be happy for Cardi, and then she's going to be on the timeline crying about how he cheated on her or some wild shit, and we should all not be saying congratulations. Clearly, the opposite happened, and she has a blessing.

[Dame]

That don't mean she ain't gonna still be on the timeline crying.

[Ma]

Well, that's. That just comes with pregnancy.

[Dame]

No, I'm just.

[Ma]

So maybe you were really, like, predicting in that way. I'm just saying.

[Dame]

No, no, no, no.

[Ma]

Women are emotional.

[Dame]

What y' all was saying is. Is totally out. What I was saying is still in play here. She still got time to cry. The timeline.

[Ma]

Well, first of all.

[Rory]

First of all, fun babies happen all.

[Ma]

You can't fund your way into a baby.

[Rory]

Fun babies happen all the time.

[Dame]

Babies in his room. That's what's wrong. That's what's wrong with your generation. You is having fun.

[Ma]

It's our generation that started. Generation, right?

[Dame]

Yeah. It's your generation. I like that. Let's have a fun baby.

[Rory]

Coming from one of nine, aren't you one of, like, nine?

[Dame]

My pops is Muslim. And the. And you could. He could have all the babies you want as long as you can take care of them.

[Rory]

Yeah, but I bet he had fun making a whole bunch of them. Oh, yeah.

[Dame]

It's fun making them marry every single.

[Rory]

One of y' all mamas.

[Dame]

Did he?

[Rory]

No. Okay.

[Dame]

He didn't.

[Rory]

So it's not like fun baby's been around. You a fun baby?

[Dame]

I'm. I'm. I'm definitely a fun baby. Definitely a fun baby. For sure. I'm not mad at it, but we ain't gonna sit here and act like y' all was like, nah, you know. You know, this ain't nothing. She just popped out and having a good time.

[Ma]

You can fun your way into a baby, and you can fun your way into a baby and relationship. There's, like, six romantic comedies based off that.

[Rory]

All I do is fun my way into relationships. That's my tea, I hear.

[Ma]

I think that's the only way into one of just seeing how far it goes and going. Well, we're here now.

[Rory]

We're here now. It.

[Ma]

What's understood doesn't need to be said. We're in a relationship now.

[Rory]

What's understood doesn't need to be explained.

[Dame]

Well, listen, either way, you know, congrats to them.

[Rory]

Yes, congrats. I'm very healthy, very happy.

[Dame]

Congrats on the album. Hopefully, it's a banger. Hopefully we enjoy it. Because I don't want to come in here and talk bad about Cardi, but I might have to if the album is trash.

[Ma]

I mean, we'll be honest no matter what.

[Dame]

Oh, I'm honest no matter what. But I'm just saying, like, I don't. I don't want to. I want the album to be good. I want it to be good.

[Ma]

I know. Obviously, Cardi has a child named Culture, which is. Always love that name. But I always assumed it was based off the Migos album. Yes, we can safely say so will this child be named Drama? That's kind of a hard name. I don't know if you're, like, putting bad energy in the air by calling him Drama, but.

[Dame]

I pray and I hope.

[Ma]

Like, I watched DJ Drama's mother call him Drama, and it hits.

[Dame]

Yeah, but that's not his name. That's not. But that's not.

[Ma]

I've been with his mom and she says, drama.

[Dame]

That's not the name that his mother gave him at birth. That's not on.

[Ma]

We don't know.

[Rory]

Does it matter what I give you or what I call you?

[Dame]

No, no, no, no, no. It matters what I have to put on this job application. It matters what I have to put on. Like, you know, I got bills and credit cards.

[Ma]

Like, you think Cardi b and Stepon Diggs child is going to have like a LinkedIn and a resume?

[Dame]

Why not?

[Ma]

No, I'm not saying. I think all children, no matter their financial status, should learn those skills and get they live. But I just don't know. Like, with two parents like that, I don't know if the traditional job route is the one. I'm not saying the kids is not gonna do. I'm gonna. Like, they could do something in the creative world, in the sports world. Like, I don't know if they're just gonna be like, my dumbass [e-mail]. like, what's the salary? I. It. I can't. I can't pay rent. I'll take the 35, look for a.

[Rory]

Job in a minute. Jobs.com.

[Dame]

Nobody looks for a job. Nobody works.

[Rory]

Okay, you got to stop.

[Ma]

What are you talking about? Who works?

[Rory]

You have to stop. You have to.

[Ma]

We're at work right now.

[Dame]

Who. Who works? Who do you know that's like, y' all gotta get up and go to work in the morning?

[Rory]

Every single body. That's not us, Ma. What world? And this why they be eyeing you?

[Dame]

Cause you live in a. I don't give a. Nobody works. Nobody works.

[Rory]

Nobody works, Ma.

[Dame]

No, no, not everybody. Some people work. A lot of niggas don't work. A lot of niggas ain't got jobs.

[Rory]

You go to work every day based off the people who wake up every day at 6am to listen to us talk bullshit.

[Dame]

I know a lot of. I know a lot of niggas that listen to this podcast that don't have a job.

[Ma]

I would say 90% of them outside.

[Dame]

On the corner with a. With a bomb in their sock. Nigga, these niggas ain't working. That ain't work.

[Ma]

You hustling, selling drugs with an airpod and listening to a podcast.

[Rory]

That's how I would sell drugs.

[Dame]

That's the progressive way.

[Ma]

Yeah, listen, people still stand on the corner and sell drugs. Yeah, that's still a thing.

[Dame]

Absolutely. Now probably now more Than ever.

[Ma]

Wow. I know. They just found new ways to do it. I just, like, walked past, like, a drug corner in a very long time. No, you know, like, all these guys, we. Without saying, these guys are standing here selling.

[Rory]

Like, I know I can walk up to them and be like, yo, you got crack? And they would give it to me.

[Ma]

Like, you could be in. In. In Times Square, and it's like, yo, I got coke, I got hash.

[Dame]

Do you.

[Ma]

Do you like hip hop? Like, all that will happen in Times Square, but if I'm just walking in Brooklyn, there's not, like, the corners that I remember where you would be like, oh, that's a drug dealer you gotta go to.

[Rory]

Like, underneath, like, the swing.

[Ma]

Yeah. I feel like they in the tunnels with the Jews. Like, I haven't seen. I haven't seen a drug dealer in a minute. What did I say? Did they not dig tunnels in Brooklyn?

[Dame]

You didn't know he was a drug dealer? He's a content creator.

[Ma]

A lot of drug dealers are content.

[Dame]

He's live streaming.

[Ma]

That's how they watched.

[Dame]

Just because you know IG Live don't mean he ain't got drugs for sale.

[Ma]

If Twitch knew how much drug money they washed.

[Dame]

Yeah, because it's. Selling drugs don't work, man.

[Ma]

Well, yeah, I would say 90 of our listeners are listening to this. At work, 5% had a job, probably lost it, and are looking for another job. And 5% are just bumps.

[Dame]

You just did that math.

[Ma]

Yeah.

[Rory]

At least two of them. Two percent are local rappers.

[Ma]

Local rappers have jobs?

[Rory]

No, they do sometimes, but I'm still local rappers. Yes. They need to stop sending me music. And this is. It's not.

[Dame]

Yo, when the last time I seen a local rapper?

[Rory]

You won't see them because you don't be where it's local. Like, you gotta go, I do be.

[Dame]

Local, but I don't.

[Ma]

Some of them have been local my entire life.

[Dame]

That's what I'm saying. Like, with.

[Ma]

When.

[Dame]

When the last time you seen a.

[Ma]

Nigga that's like, yo, I see them at SOBS every. Every other Sunday.

[Dame]

Like, yo, he rap, and it's like, where Nobody knew that he rap.

[Rory]

Like, my homegirl dating a. That rap. He been trying to rap for a while.

[Dame]

What?

[Rory]

It's not. It's not popping off for him. No.

[Dame]

But, like, how does that go? How does that go? Like, you gotta walk me through that. What do you mean? She's dating somebody that rap and he's, like, been rapping for, like. What does that mean?

[Rory]

Like, he. That's his, like, he tried, you know, he keep trying to make it. He doing like local, you know, come up talent shows and stuff like that.

[Dame]

He's doing talent shows to make fun.

[Ma]

Of people, working hard at a craft and still have a dream and. Yeah, but if you've been doing it.

[Rory]

If you've been doing it for 10 years and no motion has come, you need to get a job.

[Ma]

Oh, no, he should have got a job eight years ago.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ma]

I'm saying the people that work and still try to rap, like, I know people that try to make it as rappers got jobs and just their passion is they like, where's the first shows at?

[Rory]

Well, you know, like up and coming.

[Ma]

Shows, like open mic nights.

[Rory]

Open mic nights, that type of shit.

[Dame]

That's different from a talent, like a.

[Ma]

High school talent show. You just showed up.

[Dame]

That's open mic. Mic and talent show is two different things.

[Ma]

You are correct. You are correct. I knew what she meant when she said talent show.

[Dame]

I'm like, yo, who is performing at talent shows? Who's doing that?

[Rory]

I'm sorry, I misspoke.

[Dame]

Oh, open mic. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's. That's definitely still a thing.

[Rory]

And just so y' all know, we are not on local rappers.

[Dame]

I think that I'm sitting on any rapper that's performing at a talent show that's not in high school.

[Rory]

Yes, of course, but you should always follow your dreams. Just please stop sending me your music. Not because I don't think that it's good. I'm. I'm just not ever going to listen. Like I always tell them. I'd be like, hey, Rory. This is more Rory speed. Like, send this to Rory.

[Dame]

Where do they send this to you at?

[Rory]

In my DMs.

[Dame]

They be sending you music in your DMs.

[Rory]

If you check your DMs. You got some music in there too.

[Dame]

No, I don't.

[Rory]

And your, and your message request, you definitely do.

[Ma]

You definitely had the guy with the, the horse head trying to send you beats for sure.

[Dame]

Oh, yeah, yeah. That's my man. He has some joints. Me and him kind of went back. I was like, this is my side. You might have changed the drums on this one, right?

[Ma]

Open the dm.

[Dame]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ma]

He was consistent for about five years. That's how long it takes. Yeah, five. I was like, I'm opening this deal.

[Dame]

Yeah, yeah, he got. It was a couple of joints of drums a little, you know, and just.

[Ma]

How he presented it too, of like, can I offer you some beats? Yeah, with that dumbass horse emoji that is like, I got to hear what his beats is like.

[Dame]

That is so funny, man. Yeah. Wow.

[Rory]

Y' all may see.

[Ma]

Did you ever. You probably didn't do a talent show because your school was talented.

[Dame]

No, we definitely had talent shows.

[Ma]

Yeah. Your talent was going to the White House to sing for Reagan.

[Rory]

I was actually talented.

[Dame]

Yeah. Our talent shows was crazy.

[Ma]

Oh, I could only imagine.

[Dame]

But it was always fun when it was like. Because it was like. So you had to perform in choir that was, like, considered, like, the varsity team. That was the choir that actually went on tour, traveled the world, did shows. So I was in the performing choir. But there used to be kids in the school that you didn't know that they could sing or they could, you know, play the piano. It would just be like, you know, the kids that we thought was just like, the little weird kids, like, this little weird kid, like, yo, what's up with him, man? Talent showtime. He comes, he's singing Babyface, and we like Babyface. Like, all right, what he about to do? Go up there, and I'm talking about completely tears. Like, Babyface song. A new like you was like, this was the weird kid walking through stuff, the holes. You never even knew he could sing like that. That's what. Like, you'll be surprised at the talent shows in my high school. Like, you find a kid that was, like, super, super talented, but he just had. He just had his issues. He was kind of like a Napoleon Dynamite bad kid. Like, you know, he didn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a lot of that.

[Ma]

But this the same my friend that I was telling you guys about when we almost got beat up by all the D block. We were. We were on the. The open mic. Remember I told you I was DJing for him and. Oh, yeah, standing over me. So, you know, around that time, we were doing the. The open mic circuit, and we did Santos, and my man, he smoked it, thought he was gonna win. There was, like, label execs, and. And then the. The girl that ran the coat room went on after him. Her name was Elle Varner. You've. I've never seen someone with come off stage with such confidence. Like, he smoked it. Like, even people in the crowd was like, yo, Like. Like, he thought that was it. And Santos at that time was bubbling, like, where music execs used to really go there to find talent. And I believe it was the coat room. El Varner was running the coat room or the door or something. So they let her on last. And When I say he had his chest out like this. Yeah. Elvara had two notes, he was like, yeah, it's over. Yeah.

[Rory]

Damn.

[Dame]

Yo, that's fire though. I feel like that only happens in New York City, though.

[Ma]

Oh, for sure.

[Dame]

Yeah.

[Ma]

I mean, even like those times, Sza was part of that whole time. I'm sorry. Like Chris Casanova and C.S. armstrong, like, it would be Elvarner, Casey, Veggies. Then you see Sza who like didn't even have a song out or whatever.

[Dame]

Yeah.

[Ma]

Like, that was just a fun time.

[Dame]

Yeah.

[Ma]

But it led to a lot of heartbreak.

[Dame]

Those are open mics. Those are. It's not a talent show.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Dame]

So when you say somebody's rapping at a talent show that threw me off, I'm just like, wait, who is still doing that? Because first of all, how are you even going to that high school performing? And you like a grown man. Like, it's like looking at high school. Like, he don't go, like, who is that? Like, he just came here to get some wreck. Like he came to get his off and leave. Like, nah, you can't do that.

[Ma]

Would you ever host a talent show? Like, you know, sometimes they'll like bring like people from certain industries at bigger high schools, like judge it. Would you do that? Yeah, I'd be for, for adults. I would do it. I would do an open mic one. I don't know if I could like, say something mean to a high schooler that's like really trying his best, but.

[Dame]

You ain't got to say nothing mean.

[Ma]

No, I'm not saying you gotta be Simon Cowell, but like, if it's trash, like, what am I? Like, I'm supposed to be like, like, yo, potential, you want me to be.

[Rory]

You want me to be honest? I would say you want me be honest. Are you doing this because you love it or are you doing it because you want to be successful at it? And if you tell me you're doing it because you want to be successful at it, I would say you should probably stop. But if you doing it, because, see.

[Ma]

I can't, I can't say that to a wide eyed 16 year old, like, following their dreams.

[Dame]

I saved that 16 year old's life with your honesty.

[Ma]

I love the, the Jerry Seinfeld theory. Anytime a comedian tries to get advice or talk to me, says, you won't make it, you're trash. You're awful. This is stupid for you. And his theory is, if that stops somebody, then they wouldn't have made it anyways.

[Dame]

Right?

[Ma]

So But Jerry Seinfeld is also, like, a multi, multi, multi millionaire that, like, he doesn't even live in the real world and, like, know about feelings. He just knows about sarcasm and. And that. And young women. But I. I have a heart. I think.

[Rory]

I think.

[Dame]

You think me thinks. All right, well, we're gonna see how much hard you have when this album come out tomorrow and we come in here Monday.

[Rory]

Yo, you on her body. Like, what's up? We been. Changed the subject.

[Dame]

No, we didn't. We was talking music and. And rapping and. What are you talking about?

[Ma]

Bacardi is. Is an adult. Like, adults can be critiqued. People critique us all the time.

[Rory]

Need to be critiqued, too. That's these problems. Y' all don't be critiquing these kids, you know, when they.

[Dame]

And y' all don't beat these kids when they. Okay, gotta beat these kids.

[Ma]

Metaphorically. He's saying, of course.

[Dame]

No, I'm not talking about. Get that fucking belt in the room and go beat that kid's ass. That's what I'm.

[Rory]

When I was a little younger probably, like, around, like, in my early 20s, and I was hearing people, like, these people are too soft, and these kids are too soft, and I'm over here just so, like, naive to the world, and I'm like, no, like, we need more softness and we need more understanding now that I'm grown.

[Ma]

Grown.

[Rory]

Nah.

[Dame]

Let me ask you a question.

[Rory]

We fucking these kids up.

[Dame]

Did you lose your virginity in your house or his house? Your boyfriend's house?

[Rory]

I lost my virginity at a sleepover.

[Ma]

This is the questions he would ask at the talent show after.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ma]

You finished singing? Like, have you. All right. Your virginity?

[Dame]

Because I have a theory. Like, girls don't lose their virginity in their house.

[Rory]

Most. Like, no, I lost my. I lost mine in a sleepover.

[Ma]

I lost mine in my house.

[Dame]

You're a boy. No, no, that makes sense. I'm saying the girl is usually.

[Ma]

No, she was experienced. I don't know where she lost her very. She probably didn't even know.

[Dame]

She don't remember.

[Ma]

No, but I ran through at 14.

[Dame]

No, but it's a thing, like. Because I was talking to my. My boy the other day, and he was telling me how he walked in on his son. Like, his son had a girl over and he didn't know. He went in his son's room, and his son was in the bed under the blanket. Whatever, whatever. And he was like, yo, what you. Why you sitting? Like, Then you all cover under the blanket. Like, what's up? What you doing? And then he said, look behind the door. And it was a girl in his son's closet. So. But she was like, obviously naked, so she was kind of like, trying to hide. So he was just like, all right. Like, he walked out, closed the door. So he said his son was like, yo, don't tell mom. He's like, I have to tell mom. Like, there's no way. Like, I cannot not tell your mother. Like, but I know how to tell her. You know what I'm saying? Like, I know how to tell her. So he was just like. Told him mom. But he was like, yo, he'd rather it happened there because imagine if her father walked in on her at her house. That goes a whole nother way.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Dame]

You get what I'm saying? So I. In thinking about that, I'm like, yeah, I think girls. Yes. I don't know a girl that lost her virginity in her house. Like, if she has, like, both parents, like that type of household, like, that does not happen.

[Ma]

Nah. I bet the chick with the cool mom definitely lost her virginity at the. At her crib.

[Dame]

No way. Yeah.

[Rory]

Oh, I know, I know.

[Dame]

I know.

[Rory]

The cool with the most of us.

[Ma]

I know the girl with the virginity is in the cool mom's basement.

[Rory]

And. Yeah, she lost basement.

[Ma]

Cool mom's basement is where virginities go to be taken. Yeah, there's just souls of virginities on right under the. The concrete.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Dame]

And that's why fathers are important.

[Ma]

Oh, for sure. Oh, the cool mom never has an active father in the house. Yeah, like. Like the cool mom daughter may have an active father, but he does not live at that house.

[Dame]

Right.

[Ma]

Whatsoever. Yeah, the cool mom. Nah, she. He couldn't keep her.

[Rory]

She too cool.

[Ma]

It's not in this case. The cool mind is not the father's fault that, that, that father couldn't keep her. She's too cool.

[Dame]

Okay.

[Ma]

And she want her daughter to be just, just as cool, be her best friend. All that bullshit that leads to. To whoredom.

[Dame]

Yeah, man, it's tough.

[Ma]

You know, I know one girl that had the cool mom that is successful. She's the only exception.

[Dame]

You only know one girl that had a cool mom that's successful.

[Ma]

All the other girls that had cool moms are now got pregnant and are now the cool mom. And the cycle just repeats itself.

[Rory]

Yeah, I'm late. I'm not.

[Dame]

But are they not successful, though?

[Ma]

It would depend on your definition of success. I don't know if they're. They're happy and have great family. To me, that's success. Whatever. Yeah, no, they're definitely, like, teetering the, like, poverty line. Like, they. They definitely got pregnant early to then stop pursuing whatever they were doing to go find a job at Kohl's. And then they just became the cool mom. Sometimes they inherit the cool mom house, and then the basement just becomes. It's like. Like nepotism of. Of whoredom.

[Rory]

Why would you want your child to lose her virginity to her husband? That's so unhealthy.

[Dame]

No.

[Rory]

Yes, it is.

[Dame]

What?

[Rory]

Yes, it is.

[Dame]

Why is that unhealthy?

[Ma]

Our generations are.

[Dame]

Well, why. Why is that?

[Ma]

My grandpar.

[Dame]

Let's hear why that's unhealthy. Because you might. You might be saying something, but let's hear it.

[Rory]

She waits. Let's say she waits until she's 22. She finds love. She gets married. She marries her husband. She has no idea what dating or what men could be like, are supposed to be like. She just knows that she has found her husband. She has signed a document that this is her husband and this is the first man she has sex with, and she's locked in with the first man she has sex with. Would y' all want to be locked in with the first person y' all had sex with?

[Ma]

So clearly. No. I just. How I described her. I don't even know if she's alive. You know, she would shock me if she.

[Rory]

You don't know any. You don't know any. You're locked like, you're. You don't know anything.

[Ma]

The funny thing is that's like, a pretty. Not really. If one of my man's groups. I was like, yo, I ran into, like, really?

[Dame]

What is she doing with herself?

[Ma]

I saw her. She looked bad. James, I agree with you. In this generation, for sure. Unless you're, like, overly religious or super religious, then I could see that working in, like, od. Christian, but even.

[Rory]

But the really religious ones be the ones like. Do you know all the things that are wrong in those marriages too?

[Ma]

Oh, no. Absolutely.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Ma]

But they will fight a little longer for their situation.

[Dame]

But I don't think the marriage landed at why it's unhealthy, though.

[Ma]

No. Because you have to learn. You learn.

[Rory]

You don't know.

[Ma]

You learn more about yourself as you date and fail. As you have sex with people, you learn more about your emotions. Because sex comes with emotions. I mean, I've lost all of them, but I did at one point. You had to tie those two things.

[Dame]

Back full of emotions.

[Ma]

And listen, women, I'M not here to call you guys emotional, but yeah, Losing your virginity, that was like always the age old.

[Dame]

Yo.

[Ma]

If you take a virginity, she'll be attached to your hip. You have to learn how to deal with your emotions. When sex gets involved and dating gets involved, doing that for the first time with a marriage in this era, terrifying. In my grandfather's era.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Ma]

Cool.

[Rory]

Exactly.

[Dame]

The only way.

[Ma]

It was the only way to get to get the buns. You gotta.

[Dame]

You have to marry me, yo.

[Ma]

The rest of our life.

[Dame]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Let me clarify. I am not saying that it can't work. I'm just saying that.

[Dame]

No, that's exactly what you're saying.

[Rory]

That's not what.

[Dame]

That's exactly what you're saying. Exactly what you're saying. If you lose your virginity and get married to the man that took your virginity. No, it's not going to work.

[Rory]

But no, that's not going to last. That's not what I said. He said if she doesn't lose her virginity until marriage, there's a difference. If you lose your.

[Dame]

So you're saying lose it to them and then get married to them.

[Rory]

End up getting married to them. That's completely different. If you get married, somebody lock yourself in and then have sex with them.

[Dame]

Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. I agree with you. I agree with you that I agree. You should know what the sex is like with a person before you decide to get married and sign a, you know, a contract.

[Ma]

You know how irritable I would be at my wedding and wedding reception if I was a virgin. Like, go, can we wrap this up? Like, no, I don't want to. I don't want the best man spit like, yo, get to the vows. Like, do we even need to get lemon chicken and pasta?

[Dame]

Why do you think, why do you think people go to city hall and do it? Yeah, they're just trying to go like, oh, you mean all that, man. Yeah, I do, I do. Let's go.

[Ma]

Oh, yeah.

[Dame]

Like, yeah, let's go, man. Let's get this over with. But now that makes sense. To marriage. If you're saying that, I totally understand what you're saying. Yes, I agree.

[Ma]

That would be not something I would want to watch. But it would be funny to watch two, like, grown adults that were both virgins waited till marriage. I think it's beautiful. Like, just. Just be a fly on the wall in that hotel room where they try to figure sex out after they got married.

[Dame]

You always want to be a fly on the wall.

[Ma]

Yeah. Maybe it's a voyeur thing. I don't know.

[Dame]

It is a voice def. No, it's definitely.

[Rory]

He's literally a fruit fly. He would be in there trying to give instructions. Like he will be buzzing.

[Ma]

Hey, don't take my advice. I've been doing this for years and you guys might be better than me.

[Dame]

Oh my gosh man.

[Ma]

We're all voyers though.

[Rory]

Not everybody is a warrior.

[Ma]

We watch porn. Mo have you ever signed up for a phone plan and thought, wow, what a great price. And a few months later it's like surprise.

[Dame]

I think so. I think so. I think it's happened before.

[Ma]

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[Rory]

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[Ma]

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[Ma]

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[Ma]

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[Dame]

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[Ma]

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[Ma]

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[Ma]

Feel like we have to give Maul some flowers here. I mean, it's no secret that his brother and his crew created the term pause and then Mall took the torch. And very bravely, in 2025, was one of the only people that when you say something that has nothing to do with sexuality, he says, that's because you're gay. And then the torch was passed back to Dame in the crew.

[Dame]

You.

[Ma]

You earned. Like, this is a legacy. This is a legacy of homophobia. That I think is just incredible that now they're taking your phrases and making I'm homophobic. You know, I don't think you're homophobic.

[Dame]

Okay.

[Ma]

Did you watch this? Dame Dash and Charlemagne?

[Dame]

I watched it three times. Rory.

[Ma]

This.

[Dame]

It's the greatest show on earth right now.

[Ma]

Let me say Breakfast Club as well, because they were all there. This is probably the first interview I've watched twice in maybe five years.

[Dame]

Yeah, I don't watch anything other than like, maybe a movie or a series when you talk about interviews and things like that. I watch clips and things like that. But this, this Dame Breakfast Club interview was just another one to add, because I think every time he's done it, it's a classic. I don't think he's ever done a Breakfast Club interview.

[Ma]

He has the greatest Breakfast Club discography of all time. When he put out the first one, it was like, how could he ever top that?

[Dame]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ma]

No, this one, we didn't know what we had coming.

[Rory]

So what exactly happened for the people that haven't watched it? Because I only seen a clip, and the clip I saw with Charlamagne saying, raise your hand if you think Dame is broke. And I. I was screaming, I'm like, yo, what the fuck is going on in this interview? But I didn' the whole thing.

[Ma]

Well, that was after an hour and a half of things being off the rails. And anytime Charlemagne said anything, Dane would say, well, that's because you're gay. So then Charlemagne at some point started to get not frustrated. He played into it well and was like, raise your hand if. If you think Damon's broke. And then Dame said, raise your hand if you think Charlemagne is gay. This was one of the.

[Dame]

Oh, I thought she was telling the room.

[Ma]

Yeah. No, honestly.

[Dame]

Okay.

[Ma]

Before we get into this, I would say I apologize for some of my Charlemagne hate of the complex list. Yeah. This could put you at number one after this interview. This is the greatest I've ever seen in my life.

[Dame]

Yeah.

[Ma]

Because the. Even, like before, when Envy and Charlemagne trying to talk or argue with Ding is one of the hardest things on earth. So the way they handled it of, like, really playing into it made it one of the greatest interviews I've ever seen in my entire life. But where do we even begin? Nothing was covered. I just want to make that clear. We got no answers on anything. No real questions were asked. Dame became a chairman in the middle of calling somebody that has been on revolt gay. Everything was insane. He was standing up. He was. I was like, how is the mic even still picking him up? He's running laps around the table. It was the craziest thing I have ever seen.

[Dame]

It was cool because Dame, he went up there. Well, he had announcements. We don't know how true those announcements are, but he had announcements, and he wanted to use that as an opportunity for Charlamagne or Envy to say things that they may have said about Dame when he wasn't there. Like, okay, let's talk about it now. And Dame, he started it with, I'm not gonna get upset. I'm not gonna yell. So, like, you're not gonna trigger me, but just don't cut me off. Let me answer so that you can understand what I'm saying. So he went up there with the right energy. He went up there with the energy to kind of, like, answer any, you know, things that they may have been saying about him, you know, saying he's broke and, you know, whatever. Whatever, you know, they may have been saying. It's like, okay, so Dane was trying to explain, like, if I've been paying 250,000 a year in child support for the last however many years, is that person broke? Like, these are the things that you, you know. So he went up there trying to teach them and say, you know, y' all don't know because y' all are stuck in this box in this coffin every day. So y' all don't know what's really going on. Y' all don't know business. So it started as trying to shed light on some of the things that they may have been hearing about Dame. In so many ways, I think that you and I both know Some of the things that Dame is doing legally to where it's like, okay, you know, we get it. We understand.

[Ma]

So he was giving away a little too much on that down to the family office.

[Dame]

I'd be like, so, you know, it's like, we understand. But I think he went up there just to have a con. But then in Dame fashion, it has to be entertaining. It has to be, you know, him, you know, talking shit about somebody in the room, like, snapping on him. It has to. That's Dame. That's who he is. And it made for a great. Another classic Dame Dash Breakfast Club interview. Now, some of the things he was saying, you know, his announcements with the chairman thing and all, you know, at Revolt, you know, then I guess the president of Revolt, somebody came out and said that that wasn't true. We don't know if he's saying it's not true, meaning it's not happening or it hasn't happened yet. Maybe there are talks of it happening, but as of. I guess still today, I don't think that they've come out and released a statement saying that he is the chairman.

[Ma]

So again, because so much dancing and manipulation was happening throughout the entire interview, he briefly said, which I don't know how to fully interpret, he was saying that he has a certain amount of time to. To buy it, I guess, like, he was the chairman, but there's only a window where he has. He has to make a choice of whether he's acquiring this or not.

[Dame]

Yeah.

[Ma]

So I guess officially he wouldn't be, but the. It was offered. So if he wants to be, he could be. I'm not going to sit here and try to explain it because I didn't fully understand. Yeah, but I. When they came out and said that was all false, I was like. I went back to that part, and that's where I think he was explaining like, he has a window, and if he wants to take it, he can take it. If he doesn't, then he's gonna move on. And I think he may have just taken. Like when you put. When your house is in escrow.

[Dame]

Okay.

[Ma]

I think he may have took an escrow role at Revolt as the chairman, not officially, just so he could get back at Cam publicly. And I don't think he will be taking that Revolt Chairman Joe. I think that was all just a play. To be able to go to Breakfast Club and say, cam, I'm your boss now. Yeah, I thought he was going to have way more smoke for Envy outside of the first one. Envy was the One on Instagram last week in front of all his cars. Like, this is what not being a boss gets you. After Dame had. Had filed chapter 11, I thought he was going to come with Envy. Smoke. I didn't know he was going to be calling Charlemagne gay for two hours.

[Dame]

Did he file chapter 11? And chapter seven?

[Ma]

Chapter seven, I'm sorry.

[Dame]

Okay.

[Ma]

But.

[Dame]

Classic, though.

[Ma]

How do you argue with somebody when. Because even towards the end, Charlemagne tried to get it back on. On at least subject. How do you argue with someone and when you ask a valid question, the only response they have at that point is, it's because you're gay? The funniest, in the beginning, they were cutting Dame off, but then they stopped, and then Dame would ask them a question, and they try to answer, like, stop cutting me. Like, you just asked me a question. I'm answering your question, bro.

[Dame]

That is a classic, though. That's a classic. Classic. Breakfast Club 1000. Like, it's the first. I saw a clip first, and I said, oh, no, I gotta watch. Like, I can't. I can't just watch clips. I have to watch it. Because I knew just that energy that Dame had in that clip that I was watching and him calling Charlemagne gay. I was just like, oh, yeah, this is another classic about to happen.

[Ma]

And this is why you just can't argue with anybody from uptown, because they have this strategy, and you do it too, where you get other people involved in the room that want nothing to do with it. And then they sit there awkwardly. Like, when he was arguing with Charlemagne, he went over to Jess. Jess hadn't said a word yet.

[Rory]

And.

[Ma]

I forgot exactly what it was. So I'll use an example. Jess, is he gay? Yes or no? Is he gay? And Jess is like, I'm not. I don't. Dudes from uptown, that's how they argue in rooms. They just bring in other people and be like, yo, yes or no? Like, dude, I'm not in this. I have no. All right, but don't try to use me to prove your point. And then when you do that, they're like, see? See? He thinks he thinks the same thing.

[Dame]

I mean, well, Envy said he thought Charlemagne was gay too, though. He just said, I think he's kind of gay, too.

[Rory]

So I think Envy was being, like, funny. Like, that's his co host. Like, that's like that about one of us.

[Ma]

Like, well, I mean, you are.

[Rory]

And you are, too. Now what?

[Ma]

You can't steal. James, you sound like you want me.

[Rory]

To convince you that he not gay. You Sound like you want me to convince him.

[Dame]

No, no, it's not. You can't do that because you're actually gay. Like, that's. That's on record.

[Rory]

What, so there's no gay.

[Ma]

Like, are you trying to recruit me? Like, I don't. This.

[Dame]

Rory's not on record doing gay. Like, don't do that. Don't even start that.

[Ma]

So I'm record or off record?

[Rory]

I was about to say so.

[Ma]

Cuz he. Not a single record, y'. All. Because at one time I did get a lot of. And I must have been gay at that time.

[Dame]

No, no, you wasn't getting the type of.

[Rory]

We like you.

[Ma]

Really?

[Rory]

That's why you trying to defend it. And I wanted to say in my head, Rory, you wasn't getting that type of. That we talking about.

[Dame]

Yeah, like, you wasn't. And you wasn't like in a. See, we were saying, like, when you're in a rel. A healthy relationship and you just can't stop.

[Ma]

Oh, no, we got off the relationship part then. We were just going into. Just getting mad. Like, if you just a lot and like run through girls, you're gay.

[Rory]

Yes, we did not say that.

[Dame]

But okay, yeah, we left it. We was talking. We was talking about.

[Ma]

Oh, just. Really?

[Dame]

You're just cheating on your girl. Like, you're my knock. Serial cheater.

[Ma]

No, I'm saying just like Koface on tour.

[Dame]

No, no, no, no. That's not the same.

[Ma]

Different city.

[Dame]

Like we're saying. You have.

[Ma]

You just have a queen. Just save her as Tennessee.

[Dame]

We've all been there. Love Miss Tennessee. Love her, Miss. I wonder how she's doing in life. But yeah, this Breakfast Club interview, though, was definitely, definitely one for the red. But Dame has people say what they want. Dame has the ability to like, sit on a platform and like, you know, I guess, go viral whenever he wants. He has that, like, he's that type of personality. He's. That he's, you know, he speaks about, he says whatever the fuck he wants to say. He's not apologetic about what he wants to say. And then he says shit like, I'm the chairman of Revolt. And people are just like. But Revolt says you're not.

[Ma]

And then he calls them liars.

[Dame]

Yeah, like, then he reposted on his.

[Ma]

Instagram and says, this is a lie.

[Dame]

So it's like, you know, anybody that has the ability to do that, you know, then this is. People are going to watch it. People love that type of shit where it's just like, yo, this dude is crazy. But Dame is not crazy. Dame is definitely very intelligent. His methods and, you know, the way he goes about things are a little unconventional, but he's had success in being unconventional, so that doesn't matter.

[Ma]

Yeah.

[Dame]

I just think the fact that he was up there and, you know, it kind of got a little. Little tension between him and Charlemagne is what kind of made that whole thing like, oh, no, I gotta watch this.

[Ma]

But, I mean, they both handled it very well because it could have went left. And I liked how both of them had that understanding, because even when Dame was like, I could punch you in your face right now. You would do nothing. I would never do that. But you're feminine. Like, you're proud. You were proud of running. Yeah, I'm proud of staying and get my ass whooped.

[Dame]

Right?

[Ma]

You're gay. It's like, wait, damn.

[Dame]

Yeah, you didn't do the math. Like, that's. Dude, no, no, you got to do gay math. You ran. Yeah. Like, you ran. I wouldn't. Yeah, you gay.

[Ma]

Like, I mean, to your point of Dame so easily going viral, that's why I was happy. I mean, kudos to Dame of being ahead of his time with the paywall stuff and the network stuff, and, you know, that's. That's tough to do.

[Dame]

America knew. Cause Dame would see this and be like, yo, y' all didn't shout out.

[Ma]

America knew. I was about to finish. Finish right here. I love that even with his network and the paywall stuff that he was ahead of, he now has been focusing a lot on his America New YouTube page. So whereas he still does art. Art of dialogue. Those interviews are classic. He'll still do Breakfast Club, but lately he's been going viral on his YouTube page. Yeah, that's what I love to see, because I know the paywall stuff can just get tricky. It's just tough to go viral. So I love that he's been focusing on the American new YouTube page. And those viral moments go to him, not to somebody else. So Dame, I'm curious to see where he pivots through this whole thing.

[Dame]

Yeah, that Revolt shit, yo, if that never happens, that he's the fucking chairman, that's gonna make this episode even more of a classic. Like, he went up there and gave us straight bullshit and was standing on it. Like, why you didn't say congratulations? Like, he was mad when they didn't say congrats. Like, nigga, you not the chairman of Revolt. Like, what are we congratulating? Like, there's nothing to congratulate if he's.

[Ma]

Not we're gonna get a great viral moment of him explaining to all of us that we don't know business. If we knew business. Yeah. You would know that the chairman is always invisible.

[Dame]

Yeah.

[Ma]

I didn't put it under Dame Dash is the chairman. Boogie is the chairman of revolt. My son is.

[Dame]

Yeah.

[Ma]

You know, you're getting one of those. If it Turns out We're 100. Listen, we may not understand. I've never been a chairman of a company like that. So I. I don't. Enough.

[Dame]

What do you think about the back and forth with him and can. I don't like. I don't want to. I don't want to see it like this is. It's just too. It's gonna. Well, it's already getting personal. But it's like this. This has the potential. The Breakfast Club thing with Charlemagne, that's, you know, just laugh jokes. Him and Charlamagne don't really know each other like that. They don't have no history together like that. But with Cam and Dame, there's a lot of history, a lot of personal things, a lot of, you know, know, I'm. I'm. This one is the one I kind of want to see. Just stop. I don't want this to continue.

[Ma]

Yeah. I mean, obviously, their lifelong history and how, you know, Dame got. Came out of his deal got him back moving and just everything they've done together outside of just music, just as friends since kids. Dame asked in that Breakfast Club interview. This was the one time I was actually mad at the room because it was all fun and games. But he did ask a serious question to the whole room of explaining what was happening with him and Cam. And he said, do you think it's cool if I reached out to your son during a petty Internet back and forth? And everyone in the room was like, I don't know enough about it.

[Dame]

Yeah. Envy was bugging.

[Ma]

And I'm like, dude. And listen, I have now.

[Dame]

Envy said he didn't see nothing wrong with it.

[Ma]

I have nothing but love and support for Cam. I love Cam. But that. You're wrong. You're wrong for reaching out to Dame's son to pay him to either come on the show, do something. Nah, this is between me and you. Even if you had a relationship with Boogie since he was this tall, you're using it in a negative way to go at his father. You're not trying to help. If you wanted to help Boogie with money, you would have done it before. Not when we're arguing. You're wrong.

[Dame]

Yeah, like if me. If me and you are arguing, like, you know, I don't have to not speak to your kid, your daughter, but, like, I'm also not gonna hit Amara and be like, yo, get some bread. You wanna come on my show after I done put out a clip of you talking to Amara crazy on the TV show Family Therapy. Like, you know what I'm saying? It's like, I'm not. That's just. You don't do that. That's, like, completely out of bounds and, you know, envy. And I was sitting there acting like that wasn't like.

[Rory]

Nah.

[Dame]

I mean, you know, it depends on the rela. No, it doesn't. It is not. There's nothing. It doesn't matter what the relationship is with the kid. You don't do that. You don't call nobody's kids and try to backdoor an interview so they can come up here and agree with me saying. Or me putting up a clip of your father talking to you in a way that. That a dad probably shouldn't talk to their children publicly. Now, behind closed doors, you know, things get heated at home, and, you know, the relationship between parents and kids kind of get strained as kids become young adults and things. Like. We know that. But for that to play out and, you know, to be fair, Dame was wrong for speaking to his kids like that, especially on camera on television.

[Ma]

We talked about that years ago on the pod.

[Dame]

Yeah, that's. That's.

[Ma]

You know, but again, that's his family, so I didn't really comment on.

[Dame]

That's his family, but I just don't agree with talking to your. Your children like that publicly. Now, behind closed doors, family business is family business. That's none of our business. But, like, when you're sitting on VH1 doing that. Yeah, because I have. I have the right to be like, yo, that's. That's a little too.

[Rory]

Because Lord knows what you saying when you not on camera. If you that bad on camera, that.

[Dame]

Only one would start to think, like, if you're saying that on camera, what is the relationship? What are the conversations like when the cameras are going? So that.

[Ma]

That does make logical sense. But I do think Dame is. Is pretty much the same person all the time, I don't think. No, I mean, he's less or more with camera. I think it's the same Dame.

[Dame]

Oh, no, for sure. I mean, I can definitely attest to that, without a doubt. Like, it's not a performance.

[Ma]

Yeah, it's not.

[Dame]

It's definitely not a performance. But, you know, again, you don't want to get to a place where we start reaching out to people's children and trying to use them as, you know, a feature in your latest back and forth or your latest viral episodes. Like, it's just. It's not. It's not a. It's not an honorable thing to do even to.

[Ma]

Depending the relationship. You could talk to my son every single day, but now you're using him for a public dispute between us. And I think that's. I think the kid is super corny and over the line for anything. Even if y' all don't even know each other, even if it's some weird live stream war or whatever and y' all don't even have a relationship. Like, nobody even really knows each other. I think it's over the line then. But if we've had a history of 40 years, that's even crazier.

[Dame]

Yeah.

[Ma]

Like, no, as men, this is going to, like, we. We can have our back and forth publicly, whatever. We're both been in the limelight forever. Things are going to be public. But kids. No, we're getting on the phone.

[Dame]

Yeah, that's why we're getting on the phone now.

[Ma]

This is.

[Dame]

This is.

[Ma]

Nah.

[Dame]

Well, I mean, to Dame's. To Dame's credit, he did say he reached out to Cam and tried to have a conversation and. And Cam co signed and said he's ignoring his calls. He's not, you know, he want to pick up. So Dame felt like going on, you know, setting up the camera in his crib and talking was the only route to go. But I just don't want to see it go any further than this because again, things are going to start being spilled and said that. I just don't think it's for. Definitely not for entertainment because that's what this is. They're not going to fight. Like, Cam and Dame are not gonna. It's not gonna get physical. So it's like when you look at, okay, this is entertainment. This. Dame has a. He has a platform. Cam has a platform. So for entertainment, I don't wanna see lifelong history and secrets and, you know, personal things be aired out just to kind of prove that somebody's a liar or, you know, somebody is, you know, fake and not who they say they are. It's just like, because once this shit is all over, we all gonna sit back and be like, what the fuck was that for? Like, we'll be moving on to the next thing. And it's like, nobody's gonna. But now we know all of y' all business, like personal shit that we should have never even been privy to. Like, that's where I just don't wanna. And then they too old for this shit. Like, this is what the young, like young dudes are supposed to be doing this type of shit on the Internet, going back and forth and airing shit out. Like, not the. We can't expect for the young generation to carry themselves a certain way when the 50 year olds is doing shit like this. It's like, like, bro, look at what y' all are doing. Like y' all are going back and forth about whatever it is. Because I still don't even really understand what this is about. I just don't want to see it go any further than this because it can get real personal and real dirty real fast.

[Ma]

I've been trying to tell you for five years on this podcast. I don't know if. I don't know if Harlem sticks together the way y' all say it does.

[Dame]

Harlem definitely does not stick together the way. The way they say it does. It definitely does not. Right?

[Ma]

Again, ignorance of business. If he becomes the chairman but doesn't buy revolt because you could just be elected to be a chairman, like you could be hired. Does that like contradict everything Dana talked about? Because like in that very chair for the first Breakfast Club interview, he said you're not the boss unless you put up all the money. If not, you're just a well paid supervisor. So is he not a boss anymore if he becomes the chairman but doesn't buy revolt because you could be a chairman and not buy a company?

[Dame]

Right. Well, again, he says some things in his way. He's been trying to acquire revolt for a couple years. Maybe this is his path to doing that.

[Ma]

Oh, no. I mean, if he buys it.

[Dame]

Yeah, I don't, you know, I don't. I don't know. It's not, you know, I'm not in privy to that type of business. But one thing I never really on a personal level that I can remember, I never remember Dane being a liar. Yeah, like that wasn't, that wasn't part of his. Like when people like no Dame be lying. That was not something that people said. Now Cam's stance is a little different today because even he said was like, you know, people always told me you was a liar. I never saw that. Like, but me personally, you know, again, I haven't been around Dame in years. But the Dame Dash that I know was never a liar. I can never say that people sat around and called Dame a liar. Things may be different today. There may be some things that happen that I don't know about that people can speak to that I can't. But from what I remember and what I know and what I was around growing up, Dame was never labeled a liar. So hopefully this chairman shit is real. Hopefully it goes through, you know, and we would have to wait for the next episode of Dame to decide when he want to go viral again. He got his teeth, though. Y' all don't want to talk about that.

[Ma]

I didn't talk about it when he did that. Don't do that.

[Dame]

Don't do that. We gotta put that out there. Dame Dash got his teeth.

[Ma]

Yeah, No, I think that's great. Yeah, I think that's great.

[Dame]

Come on, man. You know what I'm saying? Like, respect Dame for that. You know? He didn't care about y' all laughing about him with no teeth and eye patch. He was like that. I'll. I'll be vulnerable, you know, Try to tell us that was all part of his scheme.

[Ma]

Of course. That was my favorite part, too.

[Dame]

Dame is a sick nigga.

[Ma]

Mome can spin anything.

[Rory]

If you lose your side tooth, would.

[Dame]

You still come to work if I did What?

[Rory]

Lose your side tooth?

[Dame]

My side tooth.

[Rory]

Would you still come to work?

[Dame]

I mean, I would, like, think about making. Maybe fixing that before, let's say.

[Rory]

But it usually takes a second because they got to make you another tooth to fit in there. You got to get, like, whatever you got.

[Dame]

They could put a. Like a temporary in yellow.

[Rory]

You get a little flipper.

[Dame]

Yeah, yeah, put a temporary.

[Rory]

But I mean, like, if you lose your. If you lose your two fine wins.

[Dame]

I'm not gonna just come in here with a headlight out, though. I'm not doing that.

[Rory]

But I'm saying, but come contractually, you lose your tooth on Wednesday, we got record on Thursday, two episodes.

[Dame]

Yeah, we got something banked. We got something in the tuck that we could just put out.

[Ma]

You could call. You could just call in from your boost phone and we'll add your audio.

[Dame]

We'll put the DDG episode out. We got. We got the DDG episode on Ice that y' all hit one of. I said if I lose my two. Hey, ddg. Listen, man, what care about if I lose a side tooth? We putting that episode out, bro. And just let you know now, I'm not coming in here with a headlight out. That's not happening.

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[Ma]

But then we would look crazy because Cam just kicked out. Was it Adrian Broner for trying to flirt?

[Dame]

Give it up the can, man.

[Ma]

Yeah, no, but will hypocrites. Because DDG was definitely trying to shoot at Damaris. He's doing a disrespectful way.

[Dame]

Yeah, but no, it wasn't. It wasn't being disrespectful because he was.

[Ma]

Asked once, hey, her boyfriend's here. Please don't do that. And then he kept doing it. Like that was. DDG didn't do that.

[Dame]

No, he didn't do that. It wasn't. It wasn't a disrespectful thing, though.

[Rory]

So. I love that Cam did this. I have two comments on it. Okay, well, from what I see that people are commenting. The number one thing that I'm seeing that people are commenting on is they're saying that Cam start. Well, Cam started talking once Adrian was gone. Caught him a junkie and was popping. But when he was there, he said, you know, as much love, my brother, respect to you. Thanks for coming by. Like, I love you.

[Dame]

Now, you know Adrian could fight, right? Like, you know, he's like, no, I'm aware. Listen, I'm.

[Rory]

I'm commenting on what people are on the Internet. The backlash that I saw Cam get. Right? How would y' all have handled that scenario? You don't have to use me as an example, but how would that.

[Ma]

They were hitting on Peach.

[Rory]

How is he?

[Dame]

So Agent Broner comes in here, he's flirting with Peach, and we're asking him to stop because Peach is the heterosexual.

[Rory]

Have handled that scenario the same way.

[Dame]

I would ask Adrian, like, yo, bro, you gotta. Clearly, Adrian wasn't in the most clearest of minds. He looked like he probably was hanging out. It was fight. Just coming off a fight weekend in Vegas. Like, he probably was a little intoxicated, hungover, partying. So he and it looked like Adrian didn't even know he was gonna be on the show. Cause he was like, oh, y' all good. Like, y' all gotta. Cause he just came in there. Because I don't know if people know, but the studio is in the lobby of a hotel casino.

[Rory]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[Ma]

Yeah.

[Dame]

So, like, if you ever been to Vegas, they have all the restaurants, stores. It's just like that. It's just that it's a studio, and people walking by, you can actually. When they're recording, you can, like, walk by and see Cam and Mace recording. So I think Adrian happened to just be in the hotel and was like, you know, just popped in. But I don't think. Cause if you look at the very beginning, I don't think he knew that he was gonna be. They were gonna be recording, he was gonna be on the show. And that's why Cam paid him. Cause it was on some shit like, yo, just come on. Hop on real quick. The fight just, you know, happened this weekend. Yeah, we just wanted to just talk about the fight real quick. But, you know, Adrian was a little hungover, a little, you know, might have been on, you know, just a different cloud at the moment. And he.

[Rory]

He's an asshole. It's okay to say that.

[Dame]

Well, yeah. I mean, put that in there as well. And just, you know, just the energy that he was, you know, showing stat. Baby was a little flirtatious, a little. Little awkward, a little weird. And her boyfriend is there, actually, you know, like, he's present, and Cam is like, yo. Like, try to give him the cool. Like, yo, chill, bro. You know what I'm saying? Like, you. And then it just. It got to a point where it was like, this is too weird. Like, and it's not. It doesn't make no sense for you to keep sitting here. Like, we can't even. Every time we ask you a question, this is what you start. Like, yo, you are so beautiful. It's like, all right, bro. Like, we not. We're not gonna keep doing this. So. So Cam was right in what he did and the way he handled it. But I think the, you know, what he said after Adrian left was a little unnecessary. Like calling him a junkie and all of that. I think that was a little unnecessary. Like, he could have just left it at, you know, thank you for coming. Paid him for his, you know, his time.

[Rory]

I think Cam was pissed off, though.

[Dame]

He was pissed.

[Rory]

I think he was pissed off. I think, like, when he was talking, he might have meant. I mean, Obviously, he meant what he said, but. But, you know, when you upset, I think Cam was really pissed off. And I think the more he sat.

[Dame]

There, thought about it, Cam knew he was twisted. He knew he was drunk. Anybody you know that. Look, and I'm sure they were having conversations before they started recording. You could tell when somebody this n. He twisted, and I think, you know, that was it. But I just. Again, I think he could have just left it on. Yo, thank you for your time. You know what I'm saying? If you want to wait for us outside, cool. He didn't have to get into yo fucking junkie. This, that, and the third. Like, he didn't have to do that. That was a little.

[Ma]

Or do it off camera.

[Dame]

Yeah. Or if you gonna do it, like, don't let it. Don't let that see the light of day.

[Ma]

Yeah.

[Dame]

You know what I'm saying? Like, make sure they cut that. Like, don't. No, no, but that ain't.

[Rory]

But y' all know that ain't Kim, though. It ain't up.

[Dame]

I'm just saying. Yeah, but it's. Yeah, but it's. Again, say it while he's in the room.

[Rory]

I mean, listen, I.

[Dame]

If you gonna say it, I get it.

[Rory]

I get it.

[Dame]

If you gonna say it, say it while he's there. Like, yo, get out the room, you fucking junkie. Like, get out of here. Here. If it's that.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Dame]

If that's the energy, then all right. Yeah. But again, I just think that, you know, Cam handed. Handled it professionally. At first, it was, like, stood up for Stab, baby. Like, yo, for a bro. Listen, guy let you go. Thank you for your time. Professional. You got a suit on. You got. Cam got shoes on. He kept it professional.

[Rory]

Hard bottoms.

[Dame]

Hard bottoms. You know, he's sliding all over the place. He kept it professional.

[Ma]

And it's also Adrian Broner, but it's.

[Dame]

Adrian Broner at the same time. Like, niggas ain't gonna just put their hands on Adrian, bro. That's not gonna be to happen.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Dame]

Is going to sleep.

[Ma]

The average AB could be on every substance, and you still going down.

[Dame]

Yeah. Like, Terence Crawford might. Could talk like that. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, Cam can't talk like that to Adrian Broner because, you know, obviously, it. It'll go somewhere it don't need to go. And I thought Cam did a great job, was very professional. I would have loved to see him just leave it there, keep it professional.

[Ma]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Would y'. All. Would y' all do that for me?

[Dame]

Yeah, of course. Kick a out of here. Oh, Cam handled that better than I would.

[Ma]

Like.

[Dame]

If it was that type, I would be like, yo, bro, like, come on my like. And I'm not paying you. I thought that was super honorable with Cam. Did. Like, he peeled off.

[Ma]

I was like, oh, wow.

[Dame]

Yeah, he peeled off for him. It was like I was real. I was like, okay, I wouldn't have did that. It was like, n. I didn't get it. We didn't get what we wanted to get. Like, it's like you in here flirting with Damaris to my. Yo, you are so like, bro, we talking about Terence Crawford and Canelo, and you sitting here keep talking about Damaris. I didn't realize you was that pretty. Like, oh, my God, you are.

[Rory]

Yeah, we've never had. We've never had a disrespectful guilt. Go ahead, Rory. We've never had a disrespectful guest. We've had guests flirt with me, but not that bad.

[Ma]

He was on his Broadway Joe Namath shit. You remember on the sidelines when he was talking to the ESPN reporter and she asked a question, and he was like, you're so pretty. And then she asked, like, a real question about, like, the jets organization and everything? And he goes. He goes, I could care less about the team struggle. Fizzling. I want to kiss you.

[Dame]

Yeah, yeah. He was on. Joe Namath was on a thousand.

[Rory]

That's like, I feel my thing.

[Dame]

He was cooked to watch Chad play impresses me. The same thing impresses them.

[Rory]

What does it mean to you now.

[Ma]

When the team is struggling?

[Dame]

I want to kiss you. I couldn't care less about the team struggling. I want to kiss. Kiss you.

[Rory]

Thanks, Joe. Huge compliment, Joe Nth part of the four decade team.

[Dame]

She definitely closed that out real quick, like, all right. Thank you, Joe Namath.

[Rory]

I wish I. I love jokes. I wish men understood how uncomfortable that I, like, I wish feel how uncomfortable that makes you.

[Dame]

We feel it. Like, Cam felt that. Why? You think Cam kicked him out?

[Rory]

No, but I mean, like, yes, it makes everybody in the room uncomfortable, but how it feels for women. Like, that icky feeling we get, especially when we're trying to be professional because you're not a nigga on the street. We can't just, like, walk away from you or say, fuck you. We're stuck. Like, we can't move. And then people on the Internet were like, well, I don't understand why Cam did all that. She was laughing, and I'm like, oh, y', all, this is why Y' all are. So many men are do accident or what they call accidental rape. Because you don't know when women are on.

[Dame]

Ain't no such thing as accident.

[Rory]

You don't know. What I'm saying is when women don't exactly say no, but their body is screaming no. It's like people don't understand cues like body language. Like, they don't get it. They have no perception of how uncomfortable they're making somebody. Yeah.

[Ma]

Oh, no. She. She looked clearly uncomfortable. And thinking about her job, thinking about her. Her man's probably on the other side of the glass, like, thinking about how she's coming across. But, yeah, that's an awful situation.

[Listener]

He did it for the boyfriend, not for her.

[Rory]

So I saw that, too.

[Dame]

That Cam did it for the boyfriend.

[Rory]

That Cam only did it because her boyfriend was there. And if her boyfriend wasn't there, that.

[Ma]

Was part of Cam said, hey, please stop doing that. Also, her man is here, too. And then he said, my bad. And then he again right away, like.

[Dame]

Yeah, people don't know Cam, like, his character. Like, he definitely. Cam definitely did that because he understood how uncomfortable she was.

[Rory]

Yeah, they don't play about static.

[Dame]

Now, granted, the boyfriend being there, he said that he was like, yo, a boyfriend is his. But that was on some shit.

[Ma]

Like. Like.

[Dame]

Like, yo, like, I'm not saying I wouldn't have did it if her boyfriend was here. You could flirt with us. Like, yo. But, like, aside from her being uncomfortable, her boyfriend is here. Like, chill. Like, you bugging out right now.

[Rory]

Let me tell y' all something. First of all, I don't know. I don't watch that show, so I don't know if the show's general consensus is that stat Baby has a boyfriend. Let me tell y' all something right now. If nobody knew I had a boyfriend and a was flirting with me, and y' all go, yo, her boyfriend here cut that out. Yo, what y'.

[Dame]

All.

[Rory]

Why y' all ain't gotta cut that out. Like, why y'. All. Why y' all telling people my business? Why y' all telling people who I got in the studio, like, chill the fuck out. Just kick him out. You know what I'm saying?

[Dame]

Yeah, but if your boy see. Cause you still trying to see. That's your fucking problem. No, no, no. Fuck that. Cause that's your problem. That is your problem. See, you still trying to be one foot in the game, one foot out. Sit your hot ass down. No.

[Ma]

Yeah. Just sometimes get Carlito's way.

[Dame]

Like, sit down.

[Rory]

First of all, what's understood don't need to be explained. That's number one.

[Dame]

Number two, try to give me these colloquialisms that all these hoes out here. What's understood? That's if you ain't trick, it ain't tricking if you got it. That's the same. That's the same.

[Rory]

Yo, yo, like, keep some out of.

[Dame]

Like, nah, your boyfriend is here. Now you go home and deal with the other texting you, like, oh, word. Yeah. Now you deal with that. Yeah, Damage control. Get your PR person on the line, and you know what I'm saying? Get out of that. But if your boyfriend is here, easy.

[Rory]

I'm like, cam just said that because he wanted to him to leave. Easy. That's easy. Pr. Cam just said that because he wanted it immediately. Well, nobody there for me. It's easy. Pr.

[Dame]

That's easy. You see, the y' all women be doing is crazy.

[Rory]

No, I'm just saying if I was a terrible person, that is what I would say. But not me.

[Dame]

But you think that would work?

[Rory]

Yes.

[Dame]

Why do you think that works? Because I see it will work on certain guys, but it can't work on a guy like myself. That has been a side.

[Rory]

Well, me personally, I tell everybody that everything that is said on this podcast is entertainment. Don't believe anything that's said on this podcast. I say that the moment a nigga slides in my DMs and he's talking about a clip. Everything said on that podcast is for entertainment. Everything.

[Dame]

But if a guy is dating you, that has been a side dude before, knowingly was a side dude like him, and the girl understood, like, so he.

[Rory]

Ain'T know his worth.

[Dame]

Like, yo, yeah, I got a good boyfriend, but, you know, we could. So now, in being a side dude, you can pick up on certain things. Now, when you're dating another woman, if she's not being honest with you and telling you exactly what it is, you know? Cause you can. You know the patterns, you know the things you can, like, oh, okay.

[Rory]

But why are you using your history of being a piece of shit person with a scarlet A on your chest? Why are you using that against me?

[Dame]

Why would I just. Because how would I be the piece of shit? I was the side dude, like, knowingly, like, okay, I'm not trying to.

[Rory]

You know, you're still a piece of shit.

[Ma]

He was providing a service the same.

[Rory]

Way a girl who sleeps with a nigga that has a. Yeah, but that's a girl.

[Dame]

But I didn't have a girlfriend I was a side dude. I didn't have a girlfriend.

[Rory]

Yes, but you knew she was in a relationship. You were engaging in cheating, in dishonesty. You, too, are a piece of shit.

[Ma]

That's a. Yeah.

[Rory]

I don't know, homeboy.

[Dame]

That ain't my. That ain't my.

[Ma]

That's across the barrier.

[Dame]

Yeah. That ain't my business. That's like, what you. I don't got nothing to do with that. But I'm just saying. And being in that position in life before and playing that role, you understand now when you date other women, when it's like, they being moving funny.

[Rory]

Just because you was laying down next to a liar doesn't mean that everybody you lay next to is a liar.

[Dame]

I'm not saying everybody's a liar. I would never say that. I'm just saying when certain things happen and the woman starts moving a certain way, those that know, no, it's like, okay, it's all good. So when you. Yo, chill. Don't flirt with the marriage. My boyfriend right here. And then you go home and be like, yo, I'm saying it wasn't nobody.

[Rory]

It was nobody.

[Dame]

The dude that you doing that explaining to has ever played the side dude before for he knows you're lying.

[Rory]

Not exactly.

[Dame]

That's what I'm trying to say.

[Rory]

Like, pull out this. I'm Pull out. You really think I'm stupid enough to let them leave that in there if I really had a side. Come on, now. You being.

[Dame]

You.

[Ma]

Know.

[Dame]

Yo, you one of those. Baby, I didn't even know you was like, yo, Baby D. I did not know. I knew you wasn't, but I didn't know you was. I didn't know you was, like, the diarrhea, though, like, that's the. That's the one wet you. The wet. Like, loose. What?

[Ma]

Like.

[Dame]

And you'll look him in his face like, yo, what you mean? Like, oh, you one of those. No, no, Baby D, stop. Get out of that. Stop. Don't do that.

[Rory]

I don't. I'm ma.

[Dame]

Baby D. Do not. Don't be. Yo. Yo, do not be that woman. Baby D, do not be that woman.

[Rory]

I'm just saying, we're talking. We're having, like, what ifs. Hypothetical.

[Ma]

Of course. Yeah. Baby D is the character on the show.

[Rory]

On the show.

[Ma]

That's what I was saying. And there's Damaris, and then.

[Rory]

Exactly.

[Ma]

Yeah, Baby D. And remains to be seen with Damaris is definitely the person that if her dude questions like, yo, who is this guy? She would say, if I was cheating. You would never know who it was.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ma]

Meanwhile, that's the guy.

[Dame]

It's him the whole time.

[Ma]

The whole time.

[Rory]

Who?

[Ma]

The Scooby Doo found him immediately.

[Dame]

Like, who else would it have been? Like, that is the crazy when y' all don't talk about that enough as women. Like, when y' all get past that point in your life, like, go back and be like, yeah, yeah, I was tripping. I ain't gonna lie. I was. I was on. Why y' all don't never say when y' all was on bullshit. Like, why y' all just try to delay. Deleted. Like, it never happened.

[Rory]

No, we say. We mean. But to our homegirls.

[Dame]

No, say it to the. That you was calling crazy for thinking that you was cheating on him with that.

[Rory]

Do that. He's moved on. He's happy. He has a new family. Why would I go back and say, yo, by the way, you were right about this? Because now it's in his brain again. He healed. I'm gonna let him stay healed. That's maturity. I'm not gonna get that off of my chest just to relieve myself of that pressure. Like, you're happy. I want you to stay happy more.

[Ma]

Have you ever had a girl accuse you, like, pull up an IG page or bring up a chick and be like, like, if we broke up today, you will go right to her, and in your head you're like, well, yeah, I'd be. I'd be single. Yeah, yeah. No, that's a bit. I'm not her. But if we broke up today, yeah, I might say, yo, what's up?

[Dame]

I'm single. I might date her. Yes. I might date her. Yeah. But I'm single.

[Ma]

I hate when women get that off. It's like, what do you say in that situation?

[Dame]

I think that's more so them speaking to the fact that you're attracted. So are you like her? That's what it is.

[Ma]

Like, that anybody in a relationship, man or woman, can find someone else attractive.

[Dame]

Yeah, it's okay. Just not act baby D. I didn't know. I didn't know. It was a deeper, darker, criminal link, though.

[Rory]

I don't cheat, though.

[Dame]

I don't.

[Rory]

Peace.

[Ma]

All four grandparents are gone, so there's no more Che Ex.

[Rory]

I can't use that no more. I got, like, one of y' all got to die for me to get that off.

[Dame]

Oh, my God.

[Ma]

Just go cheat. I don't want to die.

[Dame]

Yeah, I don't.

[Ma]

Don't want to be the blood sacrifice one night.

[Dame]

Go Be with that.

[Rory]

I would never do one. If. If you had to die a blood sacrifice for me to cheat, like, I would literally make it an affair. I wouldn't just cheat one night. Off your death. That's crazy. Off your death. I could get, like, a whole second family.

[Dame]

Do you think you could ever be 100% faithful? Yeah.

[Ma]

Yeah, that's up.

[Rory]

Yeah, yo. Yes, I'm just.

[Dame]

What you mean, currently?

[Rory]

Are you good? Yo, niggas is not good.

[Dame]

I'm asking.

[Ma]

What you mean.

[Dame]

I'm just asking, do you think this is not. Nah, baby D. I promise. I wasn't framing it like that. I'm literally asking, like, do you think that you could one day was like, yo, I'm not. It's completely, like, clipped. I'm. This is my.

[Rory]

Yes, I've been in. Yes, I've been in. Faithful relationship nigga. Have you? Can you.

[Dame]

Yeah. 100%. Yeah.

[Rory]

All right.

[Ma]

You see the different sides of this room, though. Damaris said I'd be her blood sacrifice so she could cheat for one night. I said I'd suck a dick to keep her alive. Look at the difference between.

[Dame]

You're gay.

[Rory]

Same voice.

[Dame]

Yeah, that's. Cause you're gay.

[Ma]

That's not honorable.

[Dame]

No, that's not.

[Ma]

Honor up. No, no more of the Harlem phrases.

[Dame]

Coming out the cloud.

[Ma]

Coming out of man does. He takes care of his family.

[Dame]

That's. Yeah, but come out the cloud and say I'm gay. Just say it. Don't be out here pretending you're not. That's what Dane was saying. He don't like when you pretend that you're not gay. Nothing wrong with being gay. But say you're gay.

[Ma]

No, but in this. In those. That context, I'm saving her life.

[Dame]

Yes.

[Ma]

It's dick or die.

[Rory]

I'm sorry.

[Dame]

Got you.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Ma]

So to me, that's, like, the honorable thing to do. The same way Dane was saying, you know, hustle for your last name, not your first. Like, you push your family every single name. I think that's the same way I'm keeping Demaris alive. Like, I'm making those sacrifices.

[Dame]

I mean, listen, the fact that you.

[Rory]

You know, why. Why would you bring that back up? Like, I thought that was.

[Ma]

Cause it was funny. Cause you just said you'd kill me to go cheat, and I'm trying to keep you alive.

[Rory]

But so I'm just saying, like, usually when we say some shit where it's like, damn, like, you know, like, I want y' all to know how much I love y' all so I'm gonna say this, but we just never gonna talk about it again. Like, you bought this Back up. You curious?

[Dame]

Mm. She talking to you, Charlamagne? She talking to you, Charlotte?

[Ma]

You're saying in that scenario I could just tag Charlamagne in and be like, you, you. Like, this is more your.

[Dame]

Like, this is your.

[Ma]

Yeah, I could hire you. I could be your boss to you. Do this and Demerit stays alive.

[Dame]

Oh, my God.

[Ma]

All right, do we have voicemails? Of course. These voicemails are sponsored by Boost. Everybody knows that.

[Dame]

You've got mail.

[Listener]

A quick question. This is not an ad. I'm not trolling. None of that. My question is, have you ever enjoyed an adult production, adult film production, so much that you was like, you know what, let me subscribe and see what else they got? I recently did that with this particular website called Desperate Amateur Amateurs. Literally first time amateurs doing their thing.

[Ma]

Doing that thing.

[Listener]

You know, not to sound shady, because I know I'm not the best thing that some women would find attractive, but some of these women look kind of mid and all that.

[Dame]

Like, they look like.

[Listener]

They could look like they have a 9 to 5 at like Target or something, but at night they'd be doing anything on, you know, they do they. Some amateur. I guess that was my first question. Have you subscribed, ever subscribed to a particular website to see more of this stuff, despite the fact that porn is free? And also, has there ever been something just in general that was like non sexual that you were actually attracted to? Like I said, like, these women on this website, they're not. They don't look porn star ready or anything. They literally look like your average everyday woman. Maybe somebody who lives next door. But they do.

[Ma]

They do.

[Listener]

They do. Some amateur. So those are my two questions. I enjoy everything y' all do and keep up the. The grind.

[Rory]

Don't tell me to keep up the ground when you're asking about my porn.

[Dame]

What was the question?

[Rory]

Have you ever subscribed to porn? And what porn site? Like, Pay for Porn?

[Dame]

No, I've never paid for porn. I mean, I bought like DVDs, you know, I was in high school and like that.

[Rory]

But the Habib show got me.

[Ma]

Which one's that? That's a good one.

[Rory]

Peach.

[Ma]

No, I'm sorry.

[Rory]

Peach is laughing.

[Dame]

The Habib show.

[Rory]

Yeah, they got me.

[Ma]

I just feel like paying for the amateur one is kind of sick. I'm not judging. Everyone has their. Their things. But if you're gonna pay, at least do like the high quality like, yeah.

[Dame]

If I'm paying, they gotta be in 4K.

[Ma]

Yeah.

[Dame]

I gotta be able to hear the cameraman walking on the carpet.

[Rory]

Mine is amateur too. Mine was amateur and mad ghetto too. They got me.

[Ma]

That's just. All right, pull up the serial killer.

[Dame]

But why is that. But hold up. But why is that, though, baby?

[Rory]

No, it's not my right. Because I unsubscribed.

[Dame]

But that means it's not your shit anymore.

[Rory]

It's not my. No. The only reason why they got me to subscribe is because they're good at advertising. This is why clips are important.

[Ma]

Peach.

[Rory]

This is why clips are important. Because they did a six minute clip and they was getting to it in the six minute clip. I wanted to see the rest of the minutes, so I subscribed.

[Dame]

Tribe, that is.

[Rory]

They do a lot of threesome porn too. And that's why as a bisexual desperate am.

[Ma]

Like, that's just a sick name. But I mean, you guys know. And maybe this goes back to my.

[Dame]

N. I'm not paying these people.

[Ma]

But do you think that's his king of like, watching?

[Rory]

He said, oh, no.

[Dame]

Nah, bro. This is look like people that. Some of these people are sex trapped traffic.

[Rory]

That's not funny. That's not funny.

[Dame]

I'm just saying. No, I know stuff.

[Ma]

You sound like a joke.

[Dame]

Like, yeah, like this is like, what is this?

[Rory]

Yo, we kink shaming right now?

[Dame]

Or that. Yeah, I am. I'll be honest. I will never click on any of that shit.

[Ma]

Yeah, I'm totally cool.

[Dame]

That brochure is terrible.

[Rory]

Yeah. If you guys want to know, we can't show it because obviously because it's probably illegal. Yep. But go on desperate amateurs and look at the preview.

[Dame]

Nah, don't go on desperate amateurs to save your time. Time. This is terrible. I ain't see.

[Ma]

I don't ever want to hear one person say it's hard to get. They just got this. They got this type of.

[Dame]

Yeah, but what type of. You could just go, you can get some. But it's like, is it your type? Is it what you wanted?

[Ma]

That's what I said, my sentence. I chose my words very carefully.

[Dame]

Yeah, you can get some.

[Ma]

You can get like, it may not.

[Dame]

Be what you wanted, but you can get some. Yeah, for sure.

[Ma]

That. Yeah, that's kind of sick. I mean, sir, your thing is your thing. Have at it.

[Dame]

Desperate amateurs.

[Ma]

But paying for that is kind of. How do you feel like. I feel like that.

[Dame]

How do you fall that far down the porn like. Yeah, to desperate amateur.

[Rory]

He Clicked on an ad for sure.

[Dame]

That website is cra. That nothing about that is enticing. Like, I don't see nothing on there where like, oh, she bad.

[Ma]

Like, once you sign up for desperate amateurs, how quickly do you think spam calls come to your phone?

[Dame]

Oh, man, I got some spam calls. Somebody called my phone yesterday asking me if I was Muslim.

[Ma]

Yo, I got like 70 text messages yet. Like yesterday.

[Rory]

I'm like, well, you're in the noi.

[Ma]

No, but that's a fact. And I, because I speak the language and I was like, this is the wildest spam. Like I was getting all these weird messages.

[Dame]

And yeah, I don't know how. I guess my name is Muslim. So I thought that's how they found, like, figured it out.

[Rory]

They just looked up the clays and the yellow books.

[Dame]

No, like my. My name like my.

[Ma]

And how he spells.

[Dame]

Yeah, it's like Muslim. So it's like, I thought it was that. And then he was like, are you Muslim? Like, I want to teach you about the Quran. I was like, nah, I'm not Muslim, bro. But I hung up. Like, how do. Where did they get my number from? Desperate measures. Now that you pull that up, watch how much shit start coming to your shit. That's one of those sites, bro. Desperate amateurs.

[Rory]

But you, you really can just buy like, like people's data. Like, you really can just buy people's data.

[Dame]

Oh yeah, for sure. That's what.

[Rory]

And people do that for like regular stuff. Like I have somebody close to me who buys data to know who to solicit for certain things that he's trying to buy or sell. Like you can just buy people's data. It's insane.

[Ma]

They got the marketing genius and the spam call shit now. Because before I would always just ignore them. But now if you answer them and hit nine, they take you off the call list. So now I'm starting to answer every spam call to try to get off their call.

[Dame]

Wait, you answered and all you gotta do is press nine.

[Ma]

It's like the automated. Like you've been approved for a fifty thousand dollar loan and then it's hit nine if you want to be taken off the call list. And it says, give us 24 hours to take off. So now they got me answering every spam call because this is getting insane.

[Rory]

Nah, the people that they have calling now, like they done. It's like the. Remember how it used to be the typical white girl voice? Now they had an old black call me trying to spam me. I said, this sound like somebody. Grandpa that needed some money y' all got doing this. Like, it's. I don't know.

[Ma]

There's hearing it. Yeah, he sounds like a nice guy.

[Dame]

Yeah, he sounds like an innocent man.

[Ma]

He's trustworthy. Well, yeah, I don't really have much advice for this gentleman.

[Dame]

Get off the website.

[Ma]

Yeah, maybe. I don't know, take. Take a break. See how you feel.

[Dame]

After two weeks watching.

[Rory]

I was having a conversation and I saw this online. Well, I saw it online and it caused me to have a conversation. But I wanted to ask you guys, just as we close out, when y' all give us a forehead kiss, right. What is the male equivalent to that? What can a female do to you that will give you the.

[Dame]

How did we miss that part. Part of the whole Cardi Stephan. Yo, what did he tell her he was there to heal her.

[Rory]

Wait, what? Wait, wait, what?

[Ma]

How did you get that question?

[Dame]

Cuz she said forehead kiss, so I'm like, okay, like, Cardi said that Stefan told her he was there to heal her after the relationship she just got out of.

[Rory]

I didn't know she said that.

[Ma]

Well, all right, if you look at it, she. She got an album coming out. She got a child. That's all healing things.

[Dame]

Like, Cardi did not fall for that. There's no way.

[Rory]

Okay. Cardi B says boyfriend Stefan Diggs told her, let me heal you after she split from estranged husband.

[Ma]

That. That is wild.

[Dame]

That.

[Ma]

That's. That's what sparked Maul's brain is Damaris's question.

[Dame]

But I don't wanna. What you were saying about four Kiss, though.

[Rory]

We'll talk about it on Patreon. Yeah, we'll run it.

[Ma]

I think that'd be a good Patreon topic.

[Dame]

All right, we'll see you on Patreon. I'm. That he's just Ginger.

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[Rory]

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