New Rory & MAL
Episode 411 | Hand In The Sand
Date: October 3, 2025
Hosts: Rory, Mal, Damaris (with appearances from Edin and others)
Podcast Network: iHeartPodcasts & The Volume
Episode Overview
In this episode, the crew dives headfirst into a week marked by celebrity drama, internet beefs, industry critiques, comic hypocrisy, and plenty of offbeat observations. Rory, Mal, and Damaris give raw, irreverent takes on the explosive Cardi B vs. Nicki Minaj feud, shifting to a candid discussion about the influence of money in entertainment (from Saudi comedy festivals to Ray J vs. the Kardashians), and finish with listener calls on rejection, relationships, and modern love. True to form, the gang keeps things real, hilarious, and sometimes uncomfortably honest.
Key Segments and Discussion Points
1. The Office Party & Patreon Push
[02:23 - 07:30]
- Patreon Party Plug: The crew joke about throwing an office rager being live-streamed for Patreon subscribers only, complete with music, tequila, and wild antics.
- “We are having a live stream DJ set. Where DJ... I mean, Eden will be DJing tonight... I'll be drunk in a corner somewhere with my legs on the wall.” — Rory [04:54]
- Riffs on Party Etiquette: They debate the etiquette around taking DJ requests, joke about (not) playing "Gasolina", ensuring an R&B/hip-hop vibe, and playfully threaten to switch camera angles if anything NSFW happens.
- Merch Talk: Pushing new show merch, they tease about hand-delivering it and poke fun at "live stream party swag."
- Ongoing House Party Jokes: The group riff about house party fights and babysitting challenges.
- “You're going to have to smoke, like, some... Oh, my God. He's bringing Amara to the office party.” — Mall [08:55]
2. Internet Rundown: Cardi B vs. Nicki Minaj Feud
[09:29 - 35:15]
The Beef Details
- Exhaustion over Rapper Drama: The hosts decry the viral, deeply personal feud between Cardi B and Nicki Minaj, which spilled over from professional rivalry into ugly social media beef targeting each other's children.
- “Basically, Cardi and Nicki been on there talking shit about each other's kids again. And yeah, it's... it got really bad.” — Rory [10:49]
- Disgust and Disappointment: Damaris and Rory express disappointment that two A-list artists are locked in such a public, toxic tit-for-tat.
- “This is the weirdest fucking thing I've ever seen. Two A-list artists trying to one-up each other on Twitter about who can insult their child the most. What are we doing?” — Damaris [12:04]
- Not Hip Hop: The hosts strongly reject the idea that dragging children on social media is part of hip-hop culture.
- “Tweeting about someone's kid is not hip hop to me.” — Damaris [19:19]
Cultural & Industry Implications
- Bad Branding: They discuss the negative impact for brands partnered with either artist.
- “If I'm the CEO of a major company... I would never want them attached to this. I don't care who started first.” — Rory [18:01]
- Is Beef Good for Publicity? The group agrees that some lines just can’t be crossed in the name of “marketing” or “the culture.”
- No Room for Resolution: Damaris pushes back at the typical “kumbaya” narrative, suggesting both parties just move on separately.
- “We can all coexist with people we don't like and just not speak about them and just move the fuck forward." — Damaris [31:12]
- Danger of Escalation: Mal reflects on the history of rap beefs turning violent, hoping those in Nikki and Cardi’s circles can de-escalate.
Notable Quotes
- “At some point, baby, we have to acknowledge that you might be the problem.” — Rory (to Nicki stans) [26:36]
- “You gotta apologize every time you change your behavior.” — Mall, riffing on empty apologies [04:08]
3. Comedy, Cancel Culture, and Saudi Money
[55:11 - 66:36]
Saudi Comedy Festival & Moral Dilemmas
- Hypocrisy in Hollywood: Discussion about the star-studded Saudi comedy festival (Chappelle, Kevin Hart, Bill Burr, etc.) prompts reflection on entertainers taking money from questionable sources.
- “I started thinking about Saudi money and then all my morals just started to just collapse.” — Damaris [57:27]
- PR Rituals & Complicity: The hosts mock ritualistic gestures expected of performers abroad, joking about “sand rituals” and “wires hitting accounts.”
- Limits of Artistic Freedom: Debate ensues about Saudi censorship (comedians receive lists of banned topics), and what actually constitutes real comedy.
- “There's no rules in comedy, man.” — Mall [66:52]; countered by Damaris emphasizing the difference between club sets & private bookings.
Reflection on Industry Double Standards
- “You do comedy in America, no one's mad at any comedian at the Cellar right now... They were behind [9/11] as well.” — Damaris [64:19]
4. Ray J vs. the Kardashians: Defamation, RICO, and Industry Feuds
[69:12 - 78:28]
Lawsuit Breakdown
- Ray J’s Bold Claims: The hosts revisit Ray J’s accusations about a "Kardashian RICO," which resulted in Kim and Kris Jenner suing him for defamation.
- “Sometimes people just sue you knowing they're gonna lose just to irritate you.” — Damaris [70:22]
- Defamation Explained: They clarify what’s actionable in court, the burden of proof, and why the lawsuit is “clean cut” given Ray J’s specific statements.
- Personal Fallout: Touches on their personal/professional history and how even groundless lawsuits can strain someone financially and emotionally.
- Cultural References: Jokes about the courtroom possibly playing "I Hit It First" as part of evidence; reminiscing about OJ trial media impact and how today's news sensitivity has changed.
5. Listener Voicemails & Relationship Real Talk
[87:50 - 111:45]
Rejection and Resilience
- How to Handle Rejection: Call-in advice segment pivots to real discussion about overcoming setbacks, careers, relationships, and ego.
- “Rejection means that you tried something and it didn’t work this time. It doesn’t mean it’s never going to work…” — Mall [92:01]
- “A lot of stuff I wanted to get would have fucked me over in the long run.” — Damaris [90:01]
Relationship & Phone Privacy Debate
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Passcode Wars: A listener asks if her husband should have to give her his phone passcode after a past cheating episode.
- Damaris: “If you got caught cheating and you're married, you gotta give that passcode up, bro.” [98:57]
- Mall: “But there's still things in my phone... like my homeboy might be going through something... Now you reading that, it’s like, I don’t want you to know that about my homeboy.” [99:01]
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Group Chat Confessionals: Hilarious banter about whether sharing nudes or explicit images in group chats is ever appropriate (“That’s when girls look at the most dicks — when they’re in a relationship.” — Mall [101:19]).
Polyamory & Neo’s Four-Girlfriend Household
- Modern Love Models: Brief discussion about Neo’s polyamorous situation — having four girlfriends — and the inherent messiness and logistics that come with it.
- “Closure convo is four on one.” — Rory, about how breakups work in polyamory [112:25]
- Personal Boundaries: Reflection on whether any of the hosts could handle such a dynamic (spoiler: not really).
Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments
- "This is the weirdest fucking thing I've ever seen..." — Damaris on the rapper beef [12:04]
- “Prayers for everyone involved. Cardi, Nikki, Ice Spice.” — Damaris [47:17]
- “You became one of those [‘not my fight’ people]... For a Birkin, you become one of those too.” — Mall [58:00]
- “Sometimes people just sue you knowing they're gonna lose just to irritate you.” — Damaris [70:22]
- "Sometimes you have to humble yourself... You're on islands where they're sacrificing children for your sexual pleasure. Sometimes you got to go back to your roots to the strip mall. 50 bucks including the tip to get jerked off." — Damaris, wilding, about Robert Kraft [68:36]
- “If somebody decides to stay in a relationship after cheating and wants to work on it, you have to exude a lot of effort…” — Damaris [105:23]
Timestamps for Key Sections
| Topic/Segment | Timestamp | |-----------------------------------------|------------| | Patreon party promo/jokes | 02:23–07:30| | Cardi vs Nicki beef recap & hot takes | 09:29–35:15| | Saudi comedy festival hypocrisy | 55:11–66:36| | Ray J v Kardashians (defamation suit) | 69:12–78:28| | Listener questions: rejection/relationships | 87:50–111:45 |
Episode Tone & Takeaways
The tone is as irreverent, honest, and hilarious as ever. There’s a real sense of frustration with celebrity melodrama, skepticism toward the entertainment industry’s “morals,” and rootedness in real-life stakes (from parenting and privacy to creativity and career pressure). Beneath the jokes, the show’s core remains: honesty, self-awareness, and the ability to laugh at themselves, the culture, and each other.
For full context and plenty of laughs, listen to the full episode and join the Patreon for the wild after-hours party they keep teasing...