Episode 411 | Hand In The Sand

Summary

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New Rory & MAL

Episode 411 | Hand In The Sand

Date: October 3, 2025
Hosts: Rory, Mal, Damaris (with appearances from Edin and others)
Podcast Network: iHeartPodcasts & The Volume

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Episode Overview

In this episode, the crew dives headfirst into a week marked by celebrity drama, internet beefs, industry critiques, comic hypocrisy, and plenty of offbeat observations. Rory, Mal, and Damaris give raw, irreverent takes on the explosive Cardi B vs. Nicki Minaj feud, shifting to a candid discussion about the influence of money in entertainment (from Saudi comedy festivals to Ray J vs. the Kardashians), and finish with listener calls on rejection, relationships, and modern love. True to form, the gang keeps things real, hilarious, and sometimes uncomfortably honest.

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Key Segments and Discussion Points

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1. The Office Party & Patreon Push

[02:23 - 07:30]

• Patreon Party Plug: The crew joke about throwing an office rager being live-streamed for Patreon subscribers only, complete with music, tequila, and wild antics.
  • “We are having a live stream DJ set. Where DJ... I mean, Eden will be DJing tonight... I'll be drunk in a corner somewhere with my legs on the wall.” — Rory [04:54]
• Riffs on Party Etiquette: They debate the etiquette around taking DJ requests, joke about (not) playing "Gasolina", ensuring an R&B/hip-hop vibe, and playfully threaten to switch camera angles if anything NSFW happens.
• Merch Talk: Pushing new show merch, they tease about hand-delivering it and poke fun at "live stream party swag."
• Ongoing House Party Jokes: The group riff about house party fights and babysitting challenges.
  • “You're going to have to smoke, like, some... Oh, my God. He's bringing Amara to the office party.” — Mall [08:55]

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2. Internet Rundown: Cardi B vs. Nicki Minaj Feud

[09:29 - 35:15]

The Beef Details

• Exhaustion over Rapper Drama: The hosts decry the viral, deeply personal feud between Cardi B and Nicki Minaj, which spilled over from professional rivalry into ugly social media beef targeting each other's children.
  • “Basically, Cardi and Nicki been on there talking shit about each other's kids again. And yeah, it's... it got really bad.” — Rory [10:49]
• Disgust and Disappointment: Damaris and Rory express disappointment that two A-list artists are locked in such a public, toxic tit-for-tat.
  • “This is the weirdest fucking thing I've ever seen. Two A-list artists trying to one-up each other on Twitter about who can insult their child the most. What are we doing?” — Damaris [12:04]
• Not Hip Hop: The hosts strongly reject the idea that dragging children on social media is part of hip-hop culture.
  • “Tweeting about someone's kid is not hip hop to me.” — Damaris [19:19]

Cultural & Industry Implications

• Bad Branding: They discuss the negative impact for brands partnered with either artist.
  • “If I'm the CEO of a major company... I would never want them attached to this. I don't care who started first.” — Rory [18:01]
• Is Beef Good for Publicity? The group agrees that some lines just can’t be crossed in the name of “marketing” or “the culture.”
• No Room for Resolution: Damaris pushes back at the typical “kumbaya” narrative, suggesting both parties just move on separately.
  • “We can all coexist with people we don't like and just not speak about them and just move the fuck forward." — Damaris [31:12]
• Danger of Escalation: Mal reflects on the history of rap beefs turning violent, hoping those in Nikki and Cardi’s circles can de-escalate.

Notable Quotes

• “At some point, baby, we have to acknowledge that you might be the problem.” — Rory (to Nicki stans) [26:36]
• “You gotta apologize every time you change your behavior.” — Mall, riffing on empty apologies [04:08]

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3. Comedy, Cancel Culture, and Saudi Money

[55:11 - 66:36]

Saudi Comedy Festival & Moral Dilemmas

• Hypocrisy in Hollywood: Discussion about the star-studded Saudi comedy festival (Chappelle, Kevin Hart, Bill Burr, etc.) prompts reflection on entertainers taking money from questionable sources.
  • “I started thinking about Saudi money and then all my morals just started to just collapse.” — Damaris [57:27]
• PR Rituals & Complicity: The hosts mock ritualistic gestures expected of performers abroad, joking about “sand rituals” and “wires hitting accounts.”
• Limits of Artistic Freedom: Debate ensues about Saudi censorship (comedians receive lists of banned topics), and what actually constitutes real comedy.
  • “There's no rules in comedy, man.” — Mall [66:52]; countered by Damaris emphasizing the difference between club sets & private bookings.

Reflection on Industry Double Standards

• “You do comedy in America, no one's mad at any comedian at the Cellar right now... They were behind [9/11] as well.” — Damaris [64:19]

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4. Ray J vs. the Kardashians: Defamation, RICO, and Industry Feuds

[69:12 - 78:28]

Lawsuit Breakdown

• Ray J’s Bold Claims: The hosts revisit Ray J’s accusations about a "Kardashian RICO," which resulted in Kim and Kris Jenner suing him for defamation.
  • “Sometimes people just sue you knowing they're gonna lose just to irritate you.” — Damaris [70:22]
• Defamation Explained: They clarify what’s actionable in court, the burden of proof, and why the lawsuit is “clean cut” given Ray J’s specific statements.
• Personal Fallout: Touches on their personal/professional history and how even groundless lawsuits can strain someone financially and emotionally.
• Cultural References: Jokes about the courtroom possibly playing "I Hit It First" as part of evidence; reminiscing about OJ trial media impact and how today's news sensitivity has changed.

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5. Listener Voicemails & Relationship Real Talk

[87:50 - 111:45]

Rejection and Resilience

• How to Handle Rejection: Call-in advice segment pivots to real discussion about overcoming setbacks, careers, relationships, and ego.
  • “Rejection means that you tried something and it didn’t work this time. It doesn’t mean it’s never going to work…” — Mall [92:01]
  • “A lot of stuff I wanted to get would have fucked me over in the long run.” — Damaris [90:01]

Relationship & Phone Privacy Debate

• Passcode Wars: A listener asks if her husband should have to give her his phone passcode after a past cheating episode.

  • Damaris: “If you got caught cheating and you're married, you gotta give that passcode up, bro.” [98:57]
  • Mall: “But there's still things in my phone... like my homeboy might be going through something... Now you reading that, it’s like, I don’t want you to know that about my homeboy.” [99:01]

• Group Chat Confessionals: Hilarious banter about whether sharing nudes or explicit images in group chats is ever appropriate (“That’s when girls look at the most dicks — when they’re in a relationship.” — Mall [101:19]).

Polyamory & Neo’s Four-Girlfriend Household

• Modern Love Models: Brief discussion about Neo’s polyamorous situation — having four girlfriends — and the inherent messiness and logistics that come with it.
  • “Closure convo is four on one.” — Rory, about how breakups work in polyamory [112:25]
• Personal Boundaries: Reflection on whether any of the hosts could handle such a dynamic (spoiler: not really).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "This is the weirdest fucking thing I've ever seen..." — Damaris on the rapper beef [12:04]
• “Prayers for everyone involved. Cardi, Nikki, Ice Spice.” — Damaris [47:17]
• “You became one of those [‘not my fight’ people]... For a Birkin, you become one of those too.” — Mall [58:00]
• “Sometimes people just sue you knowing they're gonna lose just to irritate you.” — Damaris [70:22]
• "Sometimes you have to humble yourself... You're on islands where they're sacrificing children for your sexual pleasure. Sometimes you got to go back to your roots to the strip mall. 50 bucks including the tip to get jerked off." — Damaris, wilding, about Robert Kraft [68:36]
• “If somebody decides to stay in a relationship after cheating and wants to work on it, you have to exude a lot of effort…” — Damaris [105:23]

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Timestamps for Key Sections

| Topic/Segment | Timestamp | |-----------------------------------------|------------| | Patreon party promo/jokes | 02:23–07:30| | Cardi vs Nicki beef recap & hot takes | 09:29–35:15| | Saudi comedy festival hypocrisy | 55:11–66:36| | Ray J v Kardashians (defamation suit) | 69:12–78:28| | Listener questions: rejection/relationships | 87:50–111:45 |

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Episode Tone & Takeaways

The tone is as irreverent, honest, and hilarious as ever. There’s a real sense of frustration with celebrity melodrama, skepticism toward the entertainment industry’s “morals,” and rootedness in real-life stakes (from parenting and privacy to creativity and career pressure). Beneath the jokes, the show’s core remains: honesty, self-awareness, and the ability to laugh at themselves, the culture, and each other.

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For full context and plenty of laughs, listen to the full episode and join the Patreon for the wild after-hours party they keep teasing...

Transcript

[Rory]

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[Damaris]

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[Mall]

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[Damaris]

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[Mall]

The volume, no worry about.

[Damaris]

Welcome back. End of the week. Who's excited for the weekend?

[Mall]

You are. You look totally excited.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I guess.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

I mean, currently, when they're listening to this, we're having an office party. Right now, we're having a rager. While they're listening.

[Mall]

Rage of a time on Patreon. Exclusively on Patreon. Patreon, Patreon.

[Damaris]

Clearly, we don't learn from our mistakes. Patreon Patreon.

[Mall]

And who's going to get punched this time? My money's on Josh.

[Rory]

You cool?

[Mall]

Now the marriage might get punched out.

[Rory]

Imagine the.

[Mall]

That somebody gonna punch the marriage.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Why would you say that?

[Mall]

Yeah, I mean, there's gonna be girls here. Somebody, you know, girl might be like, she. She ain't like something marriage said last summer.

[Rory]

Y' all say, never forget.

[Damaris]

Me. You can't come to Damaris's house and punch her, though. That's why.

[Mall]

That's where you get punched at in your.

[Damaris]

In your home?

[Mall]

Yeah. You never got punched in your house before the house party? Never.

[Rory]

That's wild.

[Mall]

You never do a house party.

[Damaris]

I've been punched at a house party, but not in my own home.

[Mall]

But it wasn't your house.

[Damaris]

No.

[Mall]

Oh, okay.

[Damaris]

I've been punched a few times at house party. It was never in my home. Yeah, maybe by a family member, but it wasn't a house party.

[Mall]

It's always a family member.

[Damaris]

But, yes, we on Patreon. We'll be live doing a little shindig tonight, 8pm Eastern. Ironically, I know we made the punching joke, which I don't know if whatever statute limitations, Edna will be here too. So who the knows what's gonna happen?

[Mall]

Yes, Edin is back. Can't wait. I'm so excited to see my guy.

[Damaris]

Eden, we're bringing Edden back. They'll be tequila, yo.

[Mall]

And ICE agents will be in front of the building. So if you're not. My bad. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

[Damaris]

Are you really sorry?

[Mall]

I'm sorry.

[Damaris]

I don't think you should probably stop because they already. Because apology has changed behavior and I don't think you're gonna change.

[Mall]

No, but you gotta apologize every time you change your behavior.

[Rory]

You gotta actually change the behavior, though.

[Mall]

I did. I said I changed my behavior. I'm sorry. I won't do it again.

[Damaris]

Everyone was really offended by all the jokes you made towards Eden. Except for Eden. That's always the funniest part when somebody's offended. And the person that was the victim of it isn't offended because he knows.

[Mall]

Me, he knows that I'm not. It's jokes, man. Yeah, Everybody, you know?

[Damaris]

And you're Latino.

[Mall]

Yes, exactly. I'm Puerto Rican.

[Damaris]

Anyways.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Do you have plans besides our rager? Are you coming to the party?

[Mall]

I'm thinking about it. I'm actually on the fence. Yeah, I'm on the fence. You know, I got some things lined up. You Know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

Let's tell. Let's talk about what it actually is.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Mall]

Go to Marisol. No, give it to him. Roll it up.

[Rory]

Yo.

[Mall]

Roll it out for.

[Rory]

Well, we are having a live stream DJ set. Where DJ will. I mean, Eden will be DJing tonight. Tonight, right now, on Friday exactly 8pm Easter. Sign up for Patreon because it's for our Patreon listeners only. We'll be taking requests. Well, Eden will be taking requests. I'll be drunk in a corner somewhere with my legs on the wall.

[Damaris]

I don't think he'll be taking requests. Have you ever met a DJ that takes requests?

[Mall]

I didn't. Not taking requests.

[Rory]

He's taking requests.

[Mall]

No, he's not.

[Damaris]

It's in a middle school dance.

[Mall]

People don't have taste. I'm not taking no requests from and ain't got taste. And now we listen to the filtering the request.

[Rory]

If it's some, it's some. I won't tell them to play it.

[Damaris]

But how much Gasolina do we think Eddie is gonna play?

[Mall]

None.

[Rory]

Play Gasolina.

[Mall]

This ain't that. I'm calling Ice. See? All right, my bad.

[Damaris]

All right. See, you took it a little too far.

[Mall]

We're not playing that. We're not playing that. It's R B and hip hop. Ain't no demo.

[Rory]

I need to hear Titi Me Perigunto and Suavente.

[Mall]

Suaveamente. She said Suavente. First of all. Does she need to hear that in and off? Suavente. The is Suavemente.

[Rory]

What is it?

[Mall]

Suave mente.

[Rory]

Oh, my Bad dog. I'm sorry.

[Mall]

I want to hear Suavente now. Playing Suavente. The fuck is that? What does she want to hear? I don't even know.

[Damaris]

It's the person that tried to teach us how to pronounce Bad Bunny.

[Mall]

What the fuck is that?

[Damaris]

Oh, Bad Bunny.

[Mall]

See what happens?

[Damaris]

Everybody's.

[Mall]

This is what happens when a Bad Bunny does the Super Bowl. You see, the shit is starting already. It's fucking starting. All right, go ahead.

[Damaris]

It should have been Kid Rock.

[Mall]

He got hoes. Kid Rock got hoes. Go ahead. I'm sorry. Maybe they give it to him anyway.

[Rory]

Whatever. Sign up through Patreon if you want to come to our party and hang out with us, please.

[Mall]

Who is ordering while we're recording?

[Damaris]

It wasn't probably your. Probably you.

[Mall]

It's not my. I didn't order. It's probably ups. Don't worry about it.

[Damaris]

Well, you can sign up for Patreon for $5 and come to our party and you'll get ad free episodes. $5 a month.

[Mall]

And there will be women showing whole.

[Rory]

No, they're okay, it won't be.

[Mall]

I'm not coming. I'm not coming.

[Rory]

It will not be women. Sure.

[Damaris]

Does that go against the Patreon? Oh, yeah, because we went to the. The sex.

[Rory]

We went to the sex.

[Mall]

No, we'll just put a blurry image over it. You know how Peach could.

[Rory]

Like it's live.

[Mall]

No, but pe. He knows how to.

[Damaris]

He can anticipate the whole week.

[Mall]

He knows when hole is about to be exposed. And he could just be like, whoa, we gotta. It's like a delay on the video. It's like a four second delay. Like how they do with the Grammys.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

It's like a four second delay.

[Rory]

Okay, so, yeah, you just switch cameras when hole comes out.

[Mall]

Once you see the hole. You know what I'm saying?

[Damaris]

Little mama going on stage showing hole in our office. Same.

[Mall]

Same.

[Rory]

Makes sense.

[Mall]

Okay, sign up now to patreon.com forward/new Rory Mall. And merch is available. Get some. You know, we got some. Some. Some good merch out there. Rory in the streets.

[Damaris]

That is a fact.

[Mall]

You know what I'm saying? We starting to see, like, a lot of people, you know, wearing it on their way to work. Not really. I'm just. I'm just selling it.

[Damaris]

I mean, somebody did DM me that they bought some and it. It shipped the same day. Look at the system. And I took the. And I took the credit. I was like, no, I personally took that.

[Mall]

I dropped that off. I was listening. It was on my way. I was going to pick up my daughter. I was like, you know what? Let me drop this off so this gentleman can have this tomorrow night.

[Rory]

They didn't even have a stamp on it. You just put it right in the mailbox.

[Damaris]

For sure.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Damaris]

What do you think Ma's like, live stream party swag is.

[Mall]

Oh, my God. Rory wants to know my live stream swag is my go to dinner swag. What my go to Dennis swag is. It's the same swag.

[Rory]

He won't steal your swag. He's a colonizer.

[Mall]

I'm going to be sitting right here smoking. There you go. Look.

[Rory]

No, you got to go sit by a window. You can't be. We going to have guests in here. You're not about to hot box.

[Mall]

Give a. It's not. Why y' all say hot box? Do y' all know what hot box is? Seriously?

[Damaris]

Yeah, because I think.

[Mall]

I think your generation don't know what hot box is. If there's no ventilation, if there's no. This big ass room with these windows cannot be hot boxed. I agree it's impossible.

[Damaris]

But with the type of weed you smoke, just being in the vicinity is like a hot box.

[Mall]

Well, I mean, that's why your people want to smoke weed. That's on your. That's your fault.

[Damaris]

That's my fault.

[Mall]

Only thing is, in a small, enclosed area, nothing about this is small or enclosed.

[Damaris]

Put a camera on the fire escape. I can't find. I can't find anyone to watch Amara. So.

[Mall]

So you're not.

[Damaris]

You're gonna have to smoke, like, some.

[Mall]

Oh, my God. He's bringing Amara to the office party. Jesus Christ.

[Rory]

Amara.

[Mall]

Be at the office party?

[Damaris]

I can't find a babysitter. What do you want from me?

[Mall]

I'm not coming.

[Rory]

Nah, but we showing hole, right? We showing hole, right?

[Mall]

No, we're not doing nothing on this side. I don't know what y' all doing. I'm not coming. I'm not. I'm not coming. I'm not responsible for anything that happens to baby Amara. If anything happens. I wasn't here. I don't want to know. We're not talking about it on the next episode. I don't wan to hear about it.

[Damaris]

All right, I'll leave her in the car.

[Rory]

No.

[Mall]

Oh, my God.

[Damaris]

I'll find a baby ceremony. It'll be okay.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

Okay. Well, this week, have y' all been on the Internet? The Internet? Been Internet.

[Damaris]

And y' all been on the Internet?

[Mall]

No.

[Damaris]

Went back up to New Hampshire.

[Mall]

What happened? I don't even know.

[Rory]

I went back to New.

[Mall]

What happened on the Internet? What happened on the Internet this week?

[Rory]

A lot of. A lot of that we don't have to talk about. Exactly. But I'm sure y. I mean, we're going to talk about it, but Nikki Cardi.

[Mall]

Did we say merch is available?

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mall]

All Right.

[Rory]

Nikki Cardi. J.T. santana.

[Damaris]

Oh, I thought you're talking about something, like, important, like the continued genocide in Gaza. You talk about Cardi and Nikki.

[Rory]

That's not happening on the Internet. That's happening in the room.

[Damaris]

I thought you're talking about, like, a real conflict. The way you. How concerned.

[Mall]

You talking about how we've come to an agreement that they're gonna stop killing people in on the Gaza Strip. Like, I thought that's what we. Oh, my. Nikki. Oh, my bad.

[Damaris]

They're talking about the government shutting down this Week.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah. No, that's happening in real life, not the Internet.

[Damaris]

Gotcha.

[Rory]

You've been on the Internet.

[Mall]

Okay, okay. No, I haven't been on the Internet. So what happened on the Internet, baby? To give it to us.

[Rory]

So there has been some conflict between the female rappers.

[Mall]

I thought you about to say Israel when you say conflict. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Go ahead.

[Damaris]

Look at how we use words, though. Yeah, the same thing is starting to get a conflict.

[Mall]

It's not a conflict. They beef.

[Damaris]

Nobody's conflicted. They've made their points very clear.

[Mall]

They beefing. It's all a war. Like, it is what it is. But go ahead, give it to us. Give it to the people that may not know what happened on the Internet, baby.

[Rory]

D, go to the people who may not know what happened on the Internet. Basically, Cardi and Nikki been on there talking shit about each other's kids again. And yeah, it's. But it's bad. It got really bad. It got bad to the point where, like, everybody was kind of like, y' all need to stop. Like, when you're sending direct insults to the children, calling the children slow, saying they banging spoons, talking about the children's teeth. Yeah, it got bad.

[Mall]

Banging spoons.

[Rory]

They make fun of Nikki's child because they're saying there's a rumor that Nikki's child is non verbal or autistic. Okay, so Cardi attacked that because Nikki, I mean. Cause Nikki was attacking culture and talking about her gums and talk. It's just bad. It just got really, really bad and nasty. Like, really, really bad and nasty. And it has gotten to the point where people are kind of, like, pulling out of it. It's not even, like, entertaining anymore. And I just kind of wanted you guys opinions on. I know we say, like, for example, the pedophile bar was too far. Right. Allegedly. The pedophile bar was too far. Talking about kids is obviously too far.

[Damaris]

And you're not even rhyming.

[Rory]

Yeah, like, oh, no, there was a whole bunch of A, B, C, D, E, F, G. Yeah, but I mean.

[Damaris]

Anytime the barbs say, hey, maybe we should pull back a bit and have some civil discourse, you know, something is. Is really, really wrong. This is. This is weird. I also don't care about the theory that Nikki is only saying the things that Cardi has said about people in the past to put the mirror. And we just don't understand the triple entendres. This is gross and disgusting on both sides. I don't care who started. Who said the kid shit first? Both people participated and are still participating to continue to talk about children. This is the weirdest fucking thing I've ever seen. Two A list artists trying to one up each other on Twitter about who can insult their child the most. What are we doing? I know we can have the lol. What the is this? Who on either side? Family members, baby fathers, husbands, anybody? Somebody just rip out the Verizon Wireless in their house.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah. The PR people are at home just chewing on their. Like, I would just be chewing my fingernails off if I was their pr. Like, what am I here for? What is my job?

[Damaris]

I got. I got eight hours of sleep and woke up and they were still. They were just going through more kids.

[Rory]

It got bad. And allegedly it started from obviously, Cardi's rollout and everything. Her rollout was going great and everything. And then Nikki started, you know, tweeting stats and little things like that. And then she started. She started mocking some things that Cardi was saying on her album, and that sent Cardi into a blind rage. And my thing is, I just. We've said it before. I just want Cardi to stop taking the bait, because now we were just talking about how she had a great album, great rollout, everything was going great. She did what everybody wanted her to do. And now you done let yourself get pulled into some messages, and now no one's talking about that. They're talking about this.

[Damaris]

Well, also, on Nikki's side, Cardi kind of said the same thing we were saying a few episodes ago of Nikki even posting her album date or even getting involved during this rollout. Like, now you're putting yourself. You're the goat. Cardi's like, I have two albums out. You came out when I was in high school. Like, what? Now we're. Now we're the same. Why are you even entertaining me if you're supposed to be up here? Why the. Is my rollout part of your rollout now for next year? Nikki has now put Cardi at the exact same level.

[Mall]

Yeah, but that's. I mean, wasn't Cardi. Wasn't she on the phone screaming at Ice Spice and her people? Ice Spice is younger than her. She came out. Her album came out when Ice Spice was in high school. Like, so none of that matters at an age. And when you came out, if you don't like somebody, you got issues with somebody, you express it. I think this is the wrong way to express it. I think it's the wrong way to go about it. I Think it's distasteful. I think it's, you know, but I mean, listen, man, people don't like each other. We know that people are, you know, competitive women. When you have women involved, it can become very catty and very, you know, that's just because that's the thing that women have in them. You know, they have that ability to kind of, like, keep receipts and, you know, weaponize things with family and, you know, personal things about each other. And, you know, I mean, it's unfortunate that it's Cardi and Nikki, but, I mean, is it surprising to anybody at this point? Obviously, these two women don't like each other.

[Damaris]

We know that there's other ways to express not liking someone.

[Mall]

Yeah, through the music.

[Damaris]

Sweet away. I just don't know why kids have to come into anything whatsoever to this degree. I'm not saying there hasn't been in the past when it comes to hip hop, that kids haven't been involved. Little shots here and there. I'm not saying that hasn't happened. I'm not saying they're. These two are the first people to ever bring children into a verbal altercation. But to this degree, it's been three days of just trying to one up kids that are, like three and four years old. Who could say a nastier thing about a child?

[Mall]

Kendrick has.

[Damaris]

He said nasty things about children.

[Mall]

He called Drake a pedophile, but that's.

[Rory]

Not him attacking his child.

[Damaris]

Okay?

[Mall]

That's him saying Drake is a pedophile. You know what a pedophile is?

[Rory]

I do know what a pedophile is, but it's not attacking a child. It's not talking about a child.

[Mall]

Not a specific child. Yeah, but it's the same thing.

[Damaris]

Okay, fair. But completely aside from that, with this conversation, calling children out of their name and then talking about certain issues or physical appearance. This is gross.

[Mall]

It is.

[Damaris]

Like, what type of adult or parent would even feel comfortable doing this? And listen, to Cari's credit, I know she would say, what would you say if somebody said something about your kid? Maybe you'd get a tweet out of me, but maybe probably just silence. And I'm not calling for anyone violence whatsoever. But if you think I'm going tit for tat on Twitter once you bring up my kid now.

[Rory]

Well, that's what she said. She said, I don't even want to keep doing this. At this. At this point, you got to see me.

[Damaris]

But insinuating anything. I'm just saying it would be quiet if it got to that line.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

There would be no banter back and forth.

[Mall]

Yeah, well, I agree wholeheartedly. I agree.

[Rory]

Yeah, I. I know there are. So there are some conspiracy theories that Cardi and Nikki are stupidest fucking conspiracy theories. But people are like, they're working together for this. And at this point I'm like, they're not working together. But what I would like to know is someone is sitting there thinking that this is good marketing. And I'm just wondering where the line is drawn, because there is a thing as. There is such a thing as bad publicity. Not all publicity is good publicity. This has to look shitty for whatever brands they work with. This looks bad. If I'm the CEO of a major company and I have a partnership with somebody or I'm paying somebody to sponsor my brand, I would never want them attached to this. I don't care who started first. You see what I'm saying?

[Mall]

But why do you say it looks bad?

[Rory]

These are grown women attacking children.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like that looks bad for a brand. If I'm the CEO of a major brand. Yeah. I don't want this person attached to my brand.

[Mall]

I mean, I get it, but the. What you're saying is correct. When you start talking about each other's children, you know, now that's a whole different level of disrespect and, you know, just nasty things to say. But if we. If we being real, that's. Is that not our culture of hip hop? Who can say the worst about each other? Who can disrespect each other the most? Who can. Is that not it? Is this. Like, I'm not. I'm not as surprised as anybody else is. Like, granted, yeah, they talking about kids, but it's like, okay, okay.

[Damaris]

But you don't think there's an arena for that? Like, they're not on. They're not on stage at Summer Madness at URL.

[Rory]

Yeah. So that's the only place I can think where they.

[Damaris]

This isn't. To me. No, this isn't hip hop. Yes. Are the two people involved in this verbal altercation both hip hop and both rappers? Of course. But that's. That's not hip hop. Tweeting about someone's kid is not hip hop to me. So I'm not quite sure of your example. I mean, of course, in rap battles, yeah. There's probably no rules on a lot of stuff. Whether we agree or not. They've said insane things in URL that I could not even believe. People stand there and just take it. They have the patience of A fucking Jedi.

[Mall]

So this is cool.

[Damaris]

This is. This is just two people insulting each other's kids. There's nothing hip that just cuz they both rap doesn't make it hip hop.

[Mall]

So if it was a beat plan.

[Damaris]

And they said these, I would say this is a nasty battle. That's what I was. It is a really nasty battle.

[Mall]

All right, so this is acapo. That's all. We just got to.

[Damaris]

But I just. When Demer Star said nobody rhymed yet, this is just statement.

[Mall]

I saw Cardi say something. She was kind of rapping on one of us.

[Damaris]

I know I laughed when they were doing the efg. I thought it was funny. But then it just got to that line. Whenever Nikki had said culture, whatever, I was like, well, here we go. In 48 hours straight of just naming kids.

[Mall]

Yeah, I mean, you know, it's unfortunate for it to play out like that. And again, you know, whenever you start disrespecting each other's kids, it's reached a whole different. A whole different tone, a whole different level. So, I mean, I came here last week. You know, y' all know how I feel about Nikki. Y' all know how I feel about Cardi. I came here, tried to, you know, throw Nicki some base. Nah. When she announced the album, I was like, nah, that ain't got nothing to do with Cardi. That's just, you know, Nicki. But it's clear as day, like these two women just absolutely do not like each other for whatever reason. I don't even know where they started. I don't know what was the cause of it at first, years ago, I thought it was just a competitive thing, you know, Nicki being the top dog and, you know, here comes Cardi. They trying to place somebody in that lane and kind of give, you know, healthy competition to whoever the top female MC is, which we understand in music. So I just thought it was a competitive thing. And I thought, you know, fan bases, you know, add to that and fuel that a little bit. But it was okay. Cause it seemed like it was just a competitive rap thing, like who's the top female rapper? But now it's gone way too left. It's personal. It's a lot of behind the scenes shit that I believe that is going on on both sides. Things that are being said, information that is being fed both ways. A lot of pillow talking, a lot of, you know, group chats.

[Rory]

The rumor is that Nikki is schizophrenic or on drugs, Right?

[Mall]

Why is that the rumor?

[Rory]

There's been because of the things that, the rants that she goes on. People would say that they don't connect. Accusing Jay Z of trying to kill her and ruin her career or of like that whole Jay Z, Roc Nation thing. Even when she was arguing with Cardi, she was throwing that out there. Like she's been attacking Jay Z for like a year now. Damn near. So. And it's just certain things that, like saying that, oh, they set Juice wrld up to be killed on her birthday. Like things like that. Like, Mal, I'm asking you as like a, a barb, like, you don't. Are you not seeing anything weird or like maybe anything like a red flag? Like, this is not making sense. Like, this is not normal human behavior.

[Mall]

Yeah, but I'm not tying drugs and schizophrenia into it. I think that Nikki is just saying things that she feel maybe she has information that we don't have. I mean, I don't know, but I don't go to drugs and schizophrenia. Like, if we didn't hear that, if we didn't hear that Cardi rant about Ice Spice, would one say she was on drugs? And when she was on the phone yelling at whoever she was yelling at, somebody would say that's a drugged out. Her tweaking out on the phone though. No, just because she's not tweeting it, but she's actually yelling it over a phone.

[Rory]

Okay, so there's a difference between like getting upset about something. I don't. People don't. People don't attribute you cussing somebody out or going off to drugs. Like, that's not. That's just. You just mad you pissed the fuck off when shit is not making sense or like connecting.

[Mall]

But that's what I'm saying. Maybe she has information we don't have. This is Nicki Minaj.

[Rory]

You think Jay Z is out to ruin Nicki Minaj's career and is doing everything he can?

[Mall]

I don't think that. I'm saying Nicki may have information where she thinks that I can't call somebody drugged out and schizophrenic because they're saying something that I'm not informed about or I don't believe.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

To me, that's not a fair. To put that on somebody is not fair. Now, do I think going on Twitter and expressing that is the best thing? No, I think that's like, why would you even do that? Because first of all, nobody cares on Twitter. I can promise you that. Nobody gives a fuck. So going on there and expressing these things that you feel are true and you think are real for what? Like, that doesn't. People on there, they're just gonna use that for memes and to say, you're on drugs and, like, they don't care about that. So to me, expressing it there, to me, makes no sense. I never understood why people run to social media and express things like this as if people care. I promise you, people do not give a fuck. But I just can't go to diagnosing somebody with schizophrenia and being drugged out because of what they're tweeting. I'm not doing that. I can't do that. Because sometimes you do that and you're wrong. And then now you look like an insensitive person because it's like, oh, shit. This person wasn't just going crazy on their Twitter and saying things like that was really happening. And sometimes it's not happening. You know what I'm saying? But again, I don't put. I'm not here to diagnose somebody with schizophrenia and being on drugs. I don't do that. I don't run to that chef.

[Damaris]

I. I mean, I don't know. Nikki has obviously spoken about drug abuse in the past, but I'm not saying that means now she's still on drugs. But I think it's erratic behavior on both sides. Diagnosed or undiagnosed is just erratic and insane stuff that I think is going to bleed outside of just Twitter, because, of course, we've seen things. And rap battles, shit that was just on wax, still go further. But sometimes people have held back. It's like, oh, it's just a rap battle. This is statements. You don't think. You don't think the Brims love culture. You don't think the Mac Ballers love Papa Bear? Like, this isn't just. This isn't a battle anymore. There's people attached to all these statements about kids. You don't think there's other people that love these children, too, that don't think this is funny?

[Rory]

Which. Which brings in. Which brings in. Now you insert Cardi's sister and things like this who are getting involved in shit. And it's just like. It's really, really. It's nasty. It's disappointing. As a fan, a person who has been a fan of. I've been a fan of Nicki since I was in ninth grade, eighth grade.

[Mall]

Cardi, too.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's well documented. But I've been a fan of Nikki damn near my whole life. And as a fan, it's just like, to see the switch in this, where it's just like, why are you doing this? Like, you don't have to. You don't have to do this. Not a delusional fan, not a barb that can make excuses for certain behavior. I'm not making excuses for certain behavior. At some point, you have to look and be like. As a fan, like, why are you doing this? This is not necessary. Why are you doing this to us? Why are you making us have to come here and sit here and defend you or come up with excuses for the things that you're doing? Why? Why? You know what I'm saying? Like, just. You are still capable of making good music.

[Damaris]

Just do that.

[Rory]

You know what I'm saying? Like, why are you. For years, when people were trying to stick up for her when it came to Lil Kim, and then you're sticking up for her when it comes to Cardi, you're sticking up for her when it comes to Megan, you're sticking up for her when it comes to Latto. At some point, it's like, it is not a. Everybody just wants to hate Nicki Minaj Train. At some point, baby, we have to acknowledge that you might be the problem. And that's. And the Barbers are gonna kill me. I don't give a fuck. Like, that's. It's tough as, as. As someone who, who grew up knowing all the words to. To warning. It's. It's fucking tough.

[Damaris]

Like, I mean, we've had those conversations for years. We've acknowledged that there probably was an entire scheme to get Nikki out the fucking paint. But we've also seen Nikki shoot herself in the foot and be her own worst enemy. A lot of. In reacting to these situations. But again with that said, if this was just the two of them rapping back and forth and some things went over the line, whatever, I feel like everybody would be like, just, it's a rap battle. That's women's business. Just let them do that. I just don't think this has anything to do with rap anymore. And I don't. I don't think Zoo plays about his child. I don't think Offset plays about his child. I don't think the people around them play around their children. Like, yeah, this is just far, far past anything we could discuss in the history of Cardi and Nikki.

[Mall]

Well, we've seen. I mean, I, I don't. You know, I remember little Kim and foxy. I remember Hot 97 and what happened. So, you know, we know where things can go. We know how can Go left really fast. Hopefully that's not the case here. You know, hopefully somebody, you know, I don't know who's, you know, next to these women, who's in their ear, who they trust the most. But somebody needs to intervene and, you know, try to stop things before they, they go left and, and go to a place where one, we don't want to see it go and to a place that it doesn't need to go. It's just, you know, again, you know, words is words and sometimes you say things that are hurtful and you can't take back, and some people ain't gonna just let it slide, you know, but hopefully whoever is in their corners, you know, somebody could, you know, pull these women to the side, try to get them on the phone, something. Because again, you know, I understand how Cardi feels. You know, somebody talking about your children, and I understand how Nikki could feel. Somebody talks about her children. But again, hopefully, you know, these women could get on the phone, you know, air out whatever grievances they have, whatever issues they have away from social media, away from, you know, people feeding, feeding them energy that they don't need and just, you know, talk about, and address whatever the issue the issue is, because at this point, you know, as we're sitting here saying it's gone too far, this is way too far now.

[Damaris]

I mean, I, I highly doubt a phone call would ever have. I mean, shit, would you get on the phone with somebody that said these types of things about your kids on both sides, Nikki and Cardi? I don't think anyone would get on the phone with somebody. But I hope somebody that is a mutual between the two of them can just have them both go their separate.

[Mall]

Ways and just, just I would, I would get on the phone with somebody. If there's somebody, you know, me and somebody's going back and forth, Twitter and they mention my kid and I mention they kid and whatever we going back and forth. You know, if I had as much to lose as these two women do, I would absolutely get on the phone, like crash out and both be in prison away from our children.

[Damaris]

No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying if, if putting myself in this situation, let's say something like this happened, I wouldn't get on the phone with that person. But if there was somebody mutual that we both respected, that wanted to dead this, I, I would give a message through them. Cool, it's over, it's done.

[Mall]

But you don't want to talk to them?

[Damaris]

No.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Damaris]

I would have no reason to what do we have to say to each other? There won't be any resolve here. So knowing that where it could go could ruin both of us and our families and our children's future. Let's just go our separate ways. You won't say a word? I won't say a word.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Negative or positive, we don't need to speak. The fuck we need to speak for.

[Mall]

Okay. I mean, you. You have a daughter, so I got to take what you're saying.

[Damaris]

I mean, but just not even with them. Just in general, I do kind of hate the. The thoughts that like, kumbaya or conversations need to have, like, happen. We can all coexist with people we don't like and just not speak about them and just move the forward.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Because I. I like, love my friend Della. Della is. Is. Is one of the best, like, neutral people as far as getting to the root of a problem and making sure everyone on both sides feels great about it. He's. He has that. That skill that I don't have, and I admire him for it. But there's plenty of times where I'm like, why the. We don't have to solve anything. We could just. Everyone could just agree to never speak and move the on. Yeah, the. I need to be. We don't have anything to speak about anymore. I don't need to sit. I'm not wasting my time talking to somebody I don't want to talk to. Just. Just for the sake of resolution. Resolution is shutting the up and going about your business. I think that would be the most ideal thing for Nikki and Cardi at this point.

[Mall]

Got you.

[Damaris]

Because again, I just. This could go to a crazy place.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

You even bringing up the. The Kim and Foxy thing, all legend, of course, gets a little different when it's. It's two women beefing and the people that love them, that are behind them. That gets a little crazier than when men beef.

[Mall]

Yeah. Cuz. Cuz. Cuz women have that ability to, you know, push men to, you know, prove you love me. Prove you're a man.

[Damaris]

I mean, yes, there are some women that take advantage of that for sure, but then there's also just men that, you know, with testosterone. As a man, you're a protector. You feel the need to do so, especially with your children, your wife, your girlfriend.

[Mall]

Well, part of. Part of protecting sister is. Is. Is. Is avoiding things before they go facts, you know, I mean, that's not protecting. Ain't just going outside, grabbing the gun and. And shooting up. Protection is also Avoiding and, you know, like, understanding what's at risk here, what's at stake, what's. What can we lose? Like, that's. That's part of protection as well, is avoiding. Avoiding drama, putting it to an end before it goes to another place. Or let's just repeat history and watch it happen all over again.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Like, I mean, I'm old enough to remember these things, so it's like, you know, when we say we talking about Twitter, I'm just like, bro, I. I was outside when Kim and Foxy was beefing. Like, I. I know. I saw where that went. You know what I'm saying? Like, I saw this. I'm like, yeah, it's crazy and it's unfortunate, and I. I wish it wasn't happening and these women weren't saying these things about each other because I. I respect and I support both of them. But it. It is what it is. We're here. I think that there's still room for reconciliation, because, again, as long as things haven't gone. Gotten physical or.

[Damaris]

Well, they have.

[Mall]

Well, yes. At the Met. Yes. But again, that was a little fisticuffs. It's okay.

[Damaris]

I think there's nothing wrong with that.

[Mall]

Met gal is born. Anyway, we need a little fight.

[Damaris]

You have to keep everybody.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, everybody, you know, do their thing and. And swing and do what they got to do.

[Damaris]

They should do Fight Club as the theme this year. Yeah, that's the Met gala theme.

[Mall]

Yeah. Let everybody get their shit over who got what to say about who, man.

[Damaris]

Because there's no cameras, right? Nobody's allowed. What happens there stays in there.

[Mall]

That's it.

[Damaris]

Fucking Fight Club.

[Mall]

So wear your pretty gowns and your dresses on the red carpet. And then when y' all get in there, throw y' all skims on and fucking brawl. You know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

Like Nike skims.

[Mall]

Yeah, throw your Nike skims on and get to it, man. Out y' all grievances, and that's it.

[Damaris]

Man, you'd be surprised how much that really could resolve. Yeah, we got it in. No one's gonna know who won or lost, and we just keep moving.

[Mall]

Ramirez, if you lotto, you taking that back?

[Rory]

What do you mean, if I'm latto.

[Damaris]

Yeah, we'll give some backstory.

[Mall]

No, I'm just saying, Cardi said she was gonna buy her bag. Cause, you know, the audio leaked to her.

[Rory]

No, I'm taking the bag for sure.

[Mall]

Oh, no, you were taking.

[Rory]

Let me finish talking. Damn.

[Mall]

You said you taking the bag for sure.

[Rory]

I finished talking yes, I'm taking the bag. But I'm never. I can't look at you the same from that. And I get. I get. Listen, y' all know I love Cardi. I get. I get being mad. And when you mad, you say a whole lot of shit that sometimes you mean and sometimes you don't. But if I'm latto.

[Mall]

Nah, if I'm latto, I'm never taking it back.

[Rory]

Nah, that's. That's. That's.

[Mall]

And take my verse off your dsp.

[Rory]

I can understand being angry verse too.

[Mall]

Take my verse off your DSPs.

[Rory]

Yeah, because if you just said, like, if she would have said, I ain't Latto, I ain't Megan. Like, I. I'm not just gonna let you talk all this bullshit and just let you rock da da da. Like, if you say it like that, that's different from saying I'm not p. Oh, don't use me as the example. Who don't use me as the example.

[Mall]

Well, that's why you saying you would take the bag is crazy to me. I'm not taking no bag from somebody that's called. Were you crazy? I could go get my own bag, My own birkin. You talking about not taking that bag if I'm lotto. No, there's no way you hear somebody talk about you like that. You just gave him a bomb ass verse and that. Nah, great.

[Rory]

And I hate that. I hate that that over because that's. I love that song. And it completely overshadowed the.

[Mall]

Yeah. Cause now it show you how people really be talking about you and feel about you until they need you. I don't respect that. I thought that was crazy.

[Rory]

But that's.

[Mall]

That you respect the apology. Like, I respect Cardi for, you know, being a woman and. And. And saying yo. You know, I said things while I was mad and I apologize, but if I'm l. I'm not taking that. I'm not. I'm not taking no bag. Now that's a pussy bag. Every time I look at that bag, I got that because I was called a yo.

[Damaris]

And now I'm super pussy.

[Mall]

Yeah, now I'm super pussy. Like, now you can call me pussy and just buy me a bir. Working and I'm cool.

[Damaris]

Like, nah, I never want to hear a woman say that. Material items don't.

[Rory]

That's counters about. That's the thing about. And I feel like people have been telling Cardi this for the longest about letting people get you so upset that you step out your body, and now you just saying Things that you ain't even you. You saying things on the phone with people you might not even mean, or you wording it wrong or you can't let people get you that upset.

[Mall]

Like, imagine if Thug bought all of them he was talking about on the phone of Rolex.

[Damaris]

I thought she was about to say a bad, because that'd be more realistic. That'd be more realistic. I could see Thug buying Baby a Birkin.

[Mall]

Like, imagine he showed up like, yo, my bad, gang. But, yo, that new AP ain't no man taking like, yo, get out of here. You buy me a watch after talking about me like, nah, no way. But I do respect Cardi apologizing because she knows she was wrong for that. But if I. Well, let me just say this. I don't know. Lotto never met her. I don't think Lotto is accepting that back.

[Rory]

No, I don't think think so either.

[Mall]

I don't think she's accepting it.

[Rory]

I said I would accept it because, I mean, I. I can't buy my own Birkin, so of course I'm accepted. But, yeah, Lotto, yeah, that will hurt my. And more than anything, it will hurt my feelings. It will hurt. It will hurt my feelings more than anything because it's like, damn. Like, I thought we like, with each other. Like, I'm cuz. I ain't like.

[Mall]

But that's what this industry is, Baby D. It's all fake. It's all, as long as I need you, I need you for something, I'm cool with you. That's all it is. That's why I'm not surprised at none of this. Because we. I've been around the industry long enough to know, like, yo, people, y' all be thinking. I'm like, well, these people be talking about each other behind closed doors like dogs. They be talking crazy. And then you see them in a video. I'm like, yo, they got a song together. But it's the same thing. When I see girls at the club with girls, and I'm like, they don't even like each other. They hang. They partying with each other.

[Rory]

I'll never. Bro, I can't. I can't fake no shit. Like, I'll never understand. I'll never understand.

[Damaris]

It's not fake. Like, I've gotten to the point of being in this industry for 15 years, damn it. Yeah, 15 years that it's not fake. I just don't care. I don't put any stake into industry relationships. Like, I'm not being fake with somebody. I Just don't care.

[Mall]

No, I'm saying industry relationships are fake.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Like, that's what I'm saying.

[Damaris]

I'll still like that someone be cool with them. We laugh to party, whatever. But in my head, I have no thought, like, this person is loyal to me or this is my real friend. Like, when I was younger, yes, I definitely felt that way. But if I was in Lotto's position at my age now and experience, I would probably just laugh at that and be like, well, I never expected Cardi to do otherwise. Like, it's just somebody that I've worked with. They don't owe me any loyalty. Yeah, it just kind of is what it's like. The more you stake, you put into relationships that have no basis outside of what we can do for each other. Which is totally fine, by the way. It's totally fine to work with people that are cool. But that ain't your friend.

[Mall]

Right?

[Damaris]

If. If there's a leak tape you talking shit about me. All right. If there's a leak tape of Damaris talking shit about me, now, it's a whole different story because that's my friend. But if there's somebody, like, I'm sure.

[Rory]

It would never leak.

[Damaris]

You would leak it. Yeah, it wouldn't be leaked. It'd be on your feed.

[Rory]

Yo facts.

[Damaris]

So, I mean, I also don't think Lotto ever thought like, Cardi B was her friend.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

To be honest, and maybe I'm arguing against my own interest here, but I have to ask the merge. Why do women think material items can count as like a fix? Like, you do some foul and then you buy me something. Like, I don't understand how that in your brain.

[Mall]

No, it's only a fix if it's a woman doing it.

[Damaris]

No, no, I know.

[Mall]

If you cheat and buy your girl, but she ain't forgiving you.

[Damaris]

I'm saying because that's kind of been the age old stereotype. When men up, they buy their girls something. I've never like how the could that solve anything? You bought me some shit.

[Rory]

Yeah, I. I don't like the way.

[Damaris]

Cardi said it in the tweet. Just made me just laugh of like, all right, case closed, I buy her bag. Everything good.

[Rory]

I don't think it means everything good. I think it means I fucked up and I'm willing to do something for you because I know I fucked up.

[Damaris]

Well, just give me the apology. And I mean, I respect that.

[Mall]

Yeah, but why that apologize. Why that work? Why that work for Cardi but not for when men. Men cheat on their.

[Rory]

It works for a lot of men.

[Damaris]

How many bags you think offer bought?

[Rory]

It works for a lot of men.

[Damaris]

Single.

[Mall]

It a. It work. He divorced now.

[Damaris]

That was like 45 bags later.

[Mall]

Yeah, but so what though? I got a bag for every apology.

[Damaris]

But also I think when women start accepting that they've checked out and it's like I might as well just get a benefit out of this in the meantime, like, I'm not gonna forgive him. I know how to move now, but if you want to keep buying me, cool. It's not solving nothing. I promise.

[Mall]

I respect the apology, but I just thought the Baja bag part was unnecessary.

[Damaris]

We all up and say things we don't mean. I mean, yeah, Cardi was angry and it went a little too far. But I don't put too much stake into it. I just think it. What even caused all that. Like, why is. Why is Cardi screaming at Jimmy Answerman's son?

[Mall]

Oh, that's.

[Damaris]

Yeah, Jimmy Edgeman son manages Ice Spice. Okay, can you tell me where that whole beef.

[Rory]

I don't. I have no clue. I missed that. But what Cardi was yelling about. It seems like maybe when was going on Ice Spice like posted like a track and then like an emoji, like trying to capitalize off the beef moment. That's what I got from it. I could be wrong, but that's what it seemed like. When I first heard the call. I thought it was old and then they were like, oh, that was like last night. And I'm like, oh.

[Damaris]

Mall. You've been telling me non stop that you're thinking about upgrading to the all new iPhone 17 Pro because it is designed to be the most powerful iPhone ever. You will not shut up about it.

[Mall]

The zoom feature is incredible.

[Damaris]

Insane. But are you also thinking about the traffic on your way to the store or transferring all your data?

[Mall]

No, I'm not thinking about that.

[Damaris]

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[Mall]

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[Damaris]

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[Damaris]

But anyways, this has been way too serious of 40 minutes. Like, I want to get some laughs. Prayers for everyone involved. Cardi, Nikki, Ice Spice.

[Mall]

You're not praying.

[Damaris]

No. Pray. I want people to pray. I'm not saying that I am praying. I'm just saying prayers.

[Rory]

They said that we forgot when we were talking about Summer Song of the Summer that we forgot. Wim Whammy.

[Mall]

Who?

[Rory]

When Whimmy. Like Prudo. Like, what the. Put some Lulu on that. But Lululemon, you don't.

[Mall]

That's. That's sexy, right?

[Rory]

No, no.

[Mall]

Who is that?

[Rory]

I'm pretty sure it's YK.

[Damaris]

She sounded like. Who's the dude that's on Ovo? Mr. Tumaza. That. That's. That's. Who. Tamaris just sounded smiling.

[Mall]

But that's how the song Owen Whammy is her name.

[Rory]

It's by Pluto and YK Niece. Yeah, it's.

[Damaris]

It's a joint.

[Mall]

Oh, it's a group.

[Rory]

Yeah. Not a group.

[Mall]

Oh, it's two.

[Damaris]

Two.

[Mall]

Two solo artists, basically.

[Damaris]

Ugk.

[Mall]

I've never heard that song before in my life.

[Rory]

So Mallo's saying he's never heard Win Whammy before. Right. So they were on our ass for not mentioning that for Song of the Summer.

[Mall]

I really think it was on my ass. That is definitely not song of the Summer.

[Rory]

So what I will say is. What I will say is I'm an aloe girl.

[Mall]

Whim.

[Rory]

Whammy. Whim. So it's a. It's a demo. It's a age and demographic thing. Definitely an age thing. When you say somebody loves me, when they brought up Win WWE me, I'm like, wim, WWE was definitely bigger than someone, Somebody loves me this summer. But you wouldn't know that because it's an age thing. It's an age like the song of the Summer. We're now at the point where it's going to be different for different ages. People who are 18, 19, 20, 23 are going to have a different song of the summer than someone who is in their 40s. Like, it's just two completely different things. But I did want to shout out to Pluto and YK niece when we were talking about Song of the Summer. Wim Whammy deserves some. They deserve some recognition for that.

[Mall]

If Wim Whammy was the song of the summer, I had a terrible summer. My summer sucked because she wasn't whamming. Whim. Whammy. Shout out to those ladies. I mean, dope, you know, their record was doing out there. But I never. I never heard that song. Seriously, like, and if I did hear it, I probably, like, heard it in passing and thought it was sexy Red.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

You know what I'm saying? Like I said, but, you know, shout out to them, like, I mean, the song was hot this summer. Dope. My first time hearing it, though. So thank you for putting me on the win. Whammy, baby, I got you.

[Damaris]

I tweeted yesterday what I thought was just an innocent tweet of my own opinion. I had said that I think Chance still might have rap album of the year. And the amount of text messages and hate and death threats that I have received. I was on blogs. Like, you would have swore that I went to Saudi Arabia to do comedy. Like, I could not believe the amount of people that were angry at me that I had just mentioned that I think Chances rap album of the year. Like, I had friends text me in anger.

[Mall]

And granted was good, though.

[Damaris]

Granted, I fully think that the clips is right there and you can make an argument, but God damn, did I not get the clips marching orders? Did that not go through volume? Josh, you are not allowed to say that there was a better album than the clips ever no. And I love that project. And Birds Don't Sing video came out this week, was beautiful. Definitely, definitely was cutting, cutting some onions, watching it. Incredible project. But God damn. I did not get the memo that you were not allowed to say that the Clips album wasn't the greatest thing you've ever heard in your life before. My God. I had, I had people telling me this is a white take.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

How level that happens.

[Mall]

So people think that the Clips album is rap album of the year, which is fine.

[Damaris]

I, I'm, I'm one or two with it. I, I listen to Chance and to clips. Probably the, the amount probably about the same. When I get in the car, it's either throwing one, one or two on. But I really, really like this Chance album. As a 35 year old parent, I relate to a lot of the things that Chance is saying in his album.

[Mall]

Now granted, freddie Alfredo was it 3 2, 2 Alfredo 2.

[Damaris]

It can be in the conversation. I still think the Clips and Chance is, is a bit better. And maybe I went in because I had Alfredo1 expectations with it. Still love it. But it's not to the degree I thought it was going to be. But God damn. I apologize to the hip hop community. I did not get the email that you were not allowed to have a different opinion.

[Mall]

No, you can't have. Are you crazy? No, it's what I like and that's it.

[Damaris]

What I see sometimes it's not what you like, it's what sounds better when you say it.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Because I know a lot of people that were never Clips fans at all. It's cool if you, if this is your first time listening to the clips, that's amazing. I'm not one of those hip hop fans. It's like if you don't know the first one, not cool, whatever. But some of y' all are just saying because it sounds good to say it. That seems like the right thing to say.

[Mall]

Oh, you telling me like, oh, you telling me. I know.

[Damaris]

Oh, no, no, no. Trust me. Outside of the clips, the only other messages I was getting was GNX rap album of the year 2025. And I looked at the date, I was like, damn, I didn't know you could do that.

[Mall]

Oh man, it has been some good music this year though. Yeah, you've got some good music.

[Damaris]

Jid, I think is definitely up there too.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Ghost Album is incredible. Yeah, there's been a lot of great.

[Rory]

Music, but have y' all heard Jermaine Duprees or Ice Cubes yet?

[Damaris]

Admittedly, I've not listened to Ice cubes. Listen to JD's album. I need to hear that in Atlanta around sex workers.

[Mall]

I could hear any album around sex workers. I wouldn't give a. What's playing. You play me Kings of Leon around sex workers. I'll be jamming.

[Damaris]

Oh.

[Rory]

Okay. Pipes, Wesley.

[Mall]

Pipes. I was looking around. I'm banging around and all. I heard they play that at the rain. You know that? I do. You somebody. He was singing that. Was he singing that?

[Damaris]

Singing?

[Mall]

He was singing that.

[Damaris]

This just gave me a great idea. And it's copywritten. Why is there not karaoke strip clubs so much fun?

[Rory]

Holy.

[Damaris]

Copyright this right now.

[Mall]

Singing the strippers or you both.

[Damaris]

You start doing that. Yeah, for sure.

[Mall]

Hole. She's showing whole.

[Damaris]

Oh, my God.

[Mall]

Singing to the hole.

[Rory]

But when the last time you asked Sex.

[Mall]

It's been a while, baby.

[Rory]

D. I could tell.

[Mall]

My loins are full.

[Damaris]

That was. This might be the first time I've ever been, like, uncomfortable because my loins are full.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Sentence.

[Mall]

Why you worry about my loins?

[Damaris]

I'm not. Well, I was never even thinking about them until you just. Just entered the chat.

[Mall]

Do we have voicemail?

[Damaris]

Can you just imagine a stripper being butt and you and her just singing fire and desire like she's smoke. She's smoking Tina's part now.

[Mall]

You got to be Tina. What? She got to talk to you. She got to talk to you crazy.

[Damaris]

She's Rick.

[Mall]

Yeah, she's Rick. She got. She got to come and talk.

[Damaris]

Why is that? Why is the stripper Rick? And why am I Tina it we here.

[Mall]

Let the stripper be Rick James for once, you know what I'm saying? Let her talk her. She gun off.

[Damaris]

Yeah, man, we definitely need to copyright that for sure before the Saudis buy it. We need to do strip club.

[Mall]

The Saudis gonna have Nikki and Cardi.

[Damaris]

In the ring for the right price.

[Mall]

Yeah. Spring Spring 2026 Watch what the Saudis do. They gonna offer a bag none of them could turn. 600 million fight now.

[Rory]

Yo, yo.

[Mall]

What?

[Damaris]

Cool.

[Mall]

You think Nikki and Cardi ain't training for that 600m?

[Damaris]

First of all, with Saudi money, that's a steal for them. Only 600 million. What?

[Mall]

600 million, man, they gonna make it happen on Netflix. Watch and see.

[Damaris]

I mean, listen, man, they. They bought golf. And as of this week, I believe the Saudis have officially bought comedy. Anytime we laugh, we owe a royalty to the Saudi government.

[Mall]

Really?

[Damaris]

So the Saudis did their comedy festival, which has been.

[Mall]

Are they allowed to laugh?

[Damaris]

That's why? Everyone was a little nervous.

[Rory]

The casual racism.

[Mall]

I'm just saying. Under the heat jobs. You don't know who's laughing. How do you know who's laughing? You don't know who's laughing?

[Rory]

No. Take us all the way there it if we going like.

[Mall]

I'm just saying, how do you know who's laughing under the hijabs? That's all I'm saying. So that's the lineup.

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Mall]

They got Chris Tucker, Kevin.

[Damaris]

Dave Chappelle, Kevin Hart.

[Mall]

Oh my God.

[Damaris]

Louis ck.

[Mall]

Oh my God. That's the greatest lineup ever.

[Damaris]

This was for like one of their kids 12th birthday or something. This wasn't even like a festival. This was just the backyard, backyard party.

[Mall]

Yo, this is crazy.

[Damaris]

Okay. But this has started the debate throughout the entire week.

[Mall]

Wait, is that my.

[Damaris]

Bill Burr's there as well.

[Mall]

They got Bill Burr.

[Damaris]

Shane Gillis turned this down and they said they kept upping the price to in seven figures. So you can only imagine what everyone else on this. This bill got.

[Mall]

Wow.

[Damaris]

We had Chris Sefano on this podcast twice. I want to say. Or we've been on his. Whatever. Yeah, I don't think we'll ever see Chris again. I believe he belongs.

[Mall]

He belongs. Chris. It was great knowing you, Chris. You're a great guy.

[Damaris]

You're amazing. Congrats on the garden.

[Mall]

Congrats, Chris. But we'll never see you again. That's crazy. That lineup is sick.

[Damaris]

I mean it. It had me conflicted throughout the last few days.

[Mall]

More than 50 of the best comedians.

[Damaris]

Sheesh, where do you land on this? Because I started thinking, all right, if, if Netanyahu offered this podcast a you number, a blank check, fill in number, I would still personally, if you guys want to go cool. I would say no. Then, then I started thinking about Saudi money and I. All my morals just started to just collapse. Any slavery that they with that I.

[Rory]

Was like, yo, I.

[Damaris]

It's not my fight. Me going is not going to change anything.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Oh, you became one of those.

[Mall]

Yeah. For a Birkin, you become one of those too.

[Damaris]

Saudi Birkin and a Cardi Birkin are two.

[Mall]

Two different Birkins.

[Damaris]

Louis CK and Lotto got two totally different Birkins. I just want to make that very clear.

[Mall]

Wow.

[Damaris]

It did have a lot of the comedy community revolting a bit. And you guys know I love Bill Byrne. I. I stand by his messages of hating billionaires and getting rid of them. And I guess Bill chose his words correctly because he did take money from trillionaires, just not billionaires. See, a lot of people look hypocritical in this entire thing with what we call that manifestation.

[Mall]

That's what, that's what Bill Burr calls it. Manifestation. Rory, you see?

[Damaris]

And, and who am I to judge? I'm sure what they offered Bill Burr, who's already a multi, multi, multi millionaire. I'm sure it was an insane number to get him to do that.

[Mall]

Oh, my God, imagine the accommodations. Imagine where they're gonna be staying at over there. It's in Saudi Arabia.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Oh, my God, they're staying at the Palace.

[Damaris]

But then I was thinking, like, all right, everyone gets booked for club bookings in Dubai. They on a hooker and go home. And no one says. No one's the wiser. Like, no one says anything. Beyonce has done the weddings, Rihanna's done the, the carnivals. Like, I mean, I don't know. At, at what point do you just give in and say, it's not my fight?

[Mall]

When they call and they, they give you a peek at what that wire transfer is gonna look like? Well, you know what? I understand, I understand. I get it. I understand. It's not my fight.

[Damaris]

I watched proudly as a, as a young teenager, wide eyed, just looking at the world, an idol like Dave Chappelle take a stance against what was wrong with Comedy Central, Viacom, comedians, black comedians at that. Showrunners walked away from 50 million, right?

[Mall]

What was it?

[Damaris]

50 walked away from 50 million.

[Mall]

Early 2000s, he walked away.

[Damaris]

They put out a press release that said he was smoking crack in Africa, man. Then he showed up with a recorder in San Francisco and tried to get his career back in a park.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

And I watched him fight all the way to get the money he deserved in the right way. The longer journey. Then this morning, the Saudis called. I watched Dave Chappelle put his hands in. What? I don't know if it was sand. I don't know what the ritual it was.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah.

[Damaris]

And then go like this. And then I watched Kevin Hart, who was in line, go into the city. Same thing.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Damaris]

With no explanation of what it meant.

[Mall]

Mind your business.

[Damaris]

I've been very critical of Israel. I hate when they do their PR press runs where they're like, oh, come, come to Israel. When Lior Cohen thought Chuck D was anti Semitic. Let's get him on a first class flight to the Holocaust Museum. Take him to Israel. We'll go by the wall, we'll kiss it. I think the Saudis have done a trade in PR teams.

[Mall]

Yes.

[Damaris]

I don't know what this ritual is.

[Mall]

That means.

[Damaris]

But I know Bill Clinton put on a yarmulke and kissed a wall.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah. Oh, oh. It happened already.

[Damaris]

It's currently happening.

[Mall]

Dave went on stage a couple days. Dave got in early before changed. Dave said, I want to be the first to go.

[Damaris]

Second day.

[Mall]

Yeah. Second day. Second day Dave. That's his new name.

[Damaris]

David.

[Mall]

Waste no time. He don't want production to have an issue. He like, yo, that wire hit. Yo, let me get out of here.

[Damaris]

I forgot what comedian it was. They showed a footage. He. He was holding the hand of a Saudi. No, no, I'm not joking. Josh, please look this up.

[Mall]

You got to hold my hand.

[Damaris]

I bought a KFC from barstool. Shout out to KFC on his page. There was a comedian like, he was in prison.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Damaris]

Hold my hand like his pocket was out and he had to hold the pocket.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Go to his Instagram. So there's certain things of like. But I don't know, are they getting in early because we're going to be owned by the Saudis eventually.

[Mall]

Josh is still on Twitter. I just want to let y' all know that.

[Damaris]

Yep.

[Rory]

Instagram.

[Mall]

You said go to Instagram four times. God damn it, Josh.

[Damaris]

It's times like this that all of us can sit back and because we are not famous enough or in demand enough, we where our morals could be questioned. We get to critique everyone else. That does it.

[Mall]

That's the hand in the sand. Second day Dave. There he go. Hand in the sand.

[Damaris]

But do you think they explained what the ritual was?

[Mall]

They don't have to. The wire hit. You don't understand what I'm telling you. I wouldn't give a fuck what was happening after that wire hit. Y' all ain't gotta tell me shit. What time do I. Y' all need me on stage. Look at Kev. Look at Kev.

[Damaris]

Look at Kev.

[Mall]

Look at Kev.

[Damaris]

Two watches.

[Mall]

Look at these niggas. Look at these niggas.

[Damaris]

Take.

[Mall]

Look at these. Yeah, I ain't mad. Hey, hey, listen, man, go get back. I ain't mad at none of you. Yeah, all right.

[Damaris]

Maybe I would do the. The sand ritual. Just don't explain to me what it is, cuz. If those are like the ashes of the slaves you literally just slaughtered, I don't want to know that. But I don't know if I'm holding Nav's hand and walking around in the way that they have been parading these comedians.

[Mall]

You said, Nav.

[Damaris]

Wait till it moved. The guy looked like Nav.

[Mall]

Yeah, he thought he was just gonna shake his nose. Take my hand now. Let me walk you and show you. That was Dana White. Yeah.

[Damaris]

He not even a comedian, but, you know the Saudis is buying the octagon.

[Mall]

Yeah. What you think? What do you think the next UFC is gonna be?

[Damaris]

We're gonna sell this government to the Saudis.

[Mall]

Going to. Going to. Did you just say going to? Thought it was gone already.

[Damaris]

What is going on in the world, man?

[Mall]

Listen, man, times is hard. People broke. Saudi's got it. I mean, he's gonna be out of here, too. Wait till. Wait to s. Wait to. Wait till the side to see what Peas could do with a Photoshop. He's out of here, too. He gonna go holding the hands and hold and rub the sand.

[Damaris]

Especially on this PR surge that they're doing. The Photoshop.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

That Peach could do for that PR company.

[Mall]

Oh, my God.

[Damaris]

Peach could photo Saudi slaves.

[Mall]

Oh, my God.

[Damaris]

That's just propaganda.

[Mall]

Wow.

[Damaris]

Then I saw a lot of, like, starred Spangled Banner people like, these are the people behind 9 11. Why would you ever do that? Well, you do comedy in America. No one's mad at any comedian at the Cellar right now.

[Mall]

Right.

[Damaris]

They were behind it as well.

[Mall]

Oh, my God. Wow. Listen, man, you gotta do what you gotta do, man. You still have, you know, your. Your beliefs and stand on business, but sometimes that wire transfer just look too good, man. You gotta kind of go over there and just tell some jokes. So it. Let's all laugh.

[Damaris]

At the end of the day, the how comedians were formed. They were jesters for the king.

[Mall]

I wonder what Corey Holcomb thinks about this. Why didn't have Corey Holcomb go do that? See, that's the comedian they'd be needing at these types.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

They be needing, like, Corey Holcombs over there. Go get Corey Holcomb and bring him over there and see if they laugh at what Corey got to say. Corey, go over there. Turn that upside down.

[Damaris]

Have you ever watched Tim Dillon, comedian? He's a great podcast. One of the biggest patreons of all time as well. So Tim Dillon was one of the first people to accept the Saudi money.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

And immediately, while everyone was like, I'm a little worried. Went to brag on his podcast about taking, I believe, the 375, 000 that he was offered. He said, I don't care that they have slaves. I'm going over there. And then they said, tim, you are no longer allowed here. Give us back that money. Yeah.

[Mall]

Wow.

[Damaris]

And that's why A lot of people are now condemning Bill Burr outside of his stances before with billionaires and everything that's going on in Saudi Arabia. He went on his podcast and just talked about how amazing. It almost felt like a script. Oh, and even when Chris. Chris landed, they put the camera right in his face. He was like, this is the greatest place ever.

[Mall]

Yeah, I bet.

[Damaris]

With Tim Dillon, first person to take that.

[Mall]

I bet it's like, I don't care.

[Damaris]

What they're doing over there with slaves. And they were like, you are no longer invited, sir.

[Mall]

See, I want to. I want to hear what Corey Holcomb and Cat Williams think about this. I want to hear they next hour and a half special. Yeah, I want to hear Corey Holcomb and Cat Williams hour and a half special about everybody that went over there to do that comedy festival. That's what I want to hear. That's what I'm looking forward to.

[Damaris]

Man, Corey Holcomb would be hilarious over there. They would probably behead him.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah. Corey not making it back. The shit he would say he not making it back. Corey know he wouldn't make it back.

[Damaris]

Because they gave a list of, like, certain things you couldn't say, like stuff about religion, stuff about.

[Rory]

Oh.

[Mall]

Oh, they gave comedians a list of what they can't say. Yeah. Oh, wow.

[Damaris]

Here's. All right, here's my thing at a comedy club. I don't think there should ever be rules, per se, on what you can. Cannot.

[Mall]

There's no rules in comedy, man.

[Damaris]

Book somebody. If I book a comedian for my private birthday party, if I'm hiring someone, you. I think you have the right to say what you would want somebody to speak about that you're hiring. But if you're complaining at a comedy club of what someone says, you show up to a comedy club, like, shut up. This isn't for you. This is for the.

[Mall]

Yeah, but you can't give.

[Damaris]

But if you hire somebody, I feel like you're allowed to, man.

[Mall]

You can't give a comedian a list of things he can't say. Like, I didn't like when Tom Brady was telling everybody not to talk about Bill Belichick at his roast.

[Damaris]

No, I think it was Robert. It was Robert Robin in the massage thing.

[Mall]

Yeah, but, like, it's right there. It's a layup. Yeah, but comedian. That's like gold. That's like, wait, I can't.

[Damaris]

Jeff Ross still said something. And then Brady said, yo, shut the fuck up.

[Mall]

Yeah. I mean, come on, Tom. You know, we got. We gotta light Rob. We gotta light Rob up. We have to.

[Damaris]

Yeah, man.

[Mall]

Some of the greatest comedians in the world. We can't say nothing about the guy that's sitting right here. And we have probably 45 minutes worth of content for him.

[Damaris]

A billionaire that went to, I don't know, maybe. I would guess $50.

[Mall]

He went to a strip mall to get a massage. A strip. He pulled up, he could have got a.

[Damaris]

$50 a.

[Mall]

He could have got a slushy right next door. Like, what the. What are you doing here? You could have the presidential suite at the Ritz Carlton and have fucking 10 masseuses show up like you.

[Rory]

They don't get the nooks and crannies like the strip mall one does.

[Mall]

I know a girl for Robert Craft. She'll get every nook and cranny of every. That's staying in that hotel for that Robert Kraft money.

[Damaris]

I mean, sometimes when you get to that level, you got to find ways to stay grounded. Yeah. Like, you know, some. I love ramen. I can afford other stuff. But sometimes I just got to heat up some ramen just to keep. Keep myself at bay, humble myself. And sometimes when you get to that level and you're at the point where you.

[Rory]

You're.

[Damaris]

You're on islands where they're sacrificing children for your sexual pleasure. Sometimes you got to go back to your roots to the strip mall. 50 bucks including the tip to get jerked off.

[Mall]

That means you're too.

[Damaris]

Sometimes you have to humble yourself.

[Mall]

You were getting too horny. Get you when you had a certain.

[Damaris]

Level on an island with children.

[Mall]

When you add a certain level, you can't get too horny. Yeah, you're gonna get in trouble.

[Damaris]

Oh, for sure. I mean, the downfall.

[Mall]

Robert Craftsman. Never been at that strip mall at that bum ass massage spot. Come off here. You that horny?

[Damaris]

Listen, man, there's. There was plenty of other women besides Tony's sister. Sometimes men just get too horny and sacrifice everything.

[Mall]

That's a fact.

[Damaris]

Well, speaking of being jerked, Ray J, man, same sword they knight you with. They gonna good night you. And that's only half if they like you.

[Mall]

Now we had brought this up last episode, but we took it out because we.

[Damaris]

We needed it was that it was that sensitive of a topic. We needed more information. We didn't want to just jump out there.

[Mall]

Right. We needed more. More things to happen. But I did say when we talking about the whole, you know, Ray, just saying there's a Kardashian Rico coming down and there's no nothing he could do to stop it. Whatever Ray J said, I said, ray got to be careful, because that ain't something you just throw out there and play with. And I don't know if the Kardashians is going to sit back and just let that. That, you know, Ray J. Say that. And now here we are today. Take it away, Rory.

[Damaris]

He is now being sued by Kim Kardashian and Kris Jenner for his comments over the RICO claims on his live stream. Listen, man, here's the thing. When you're dealing with people with this type of money, they may lose the case, but they're just going to make his life a living hell and just have to pay for more lawyers and go to court.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Sometimes people just sue you knowing they're gonna lose just to irritate you.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Because they have more money to play with than you do.

[Rory]

And their. Their attorney, when their attorney filed the lawsuit, he said, Kris Jenner and Kim Kardashian have never bought a defamation claim before, nor have they ever been distracted by the noise. But this something. This false and serious allegation left no choice for them to have never sued for defamation before.

[Damaris]

It's insane, bro.

[Rory]

That's like if Jay Z and Beyonce finally start suing people for the shit people be saying about them. That's insane.

[Mall]

Everybody not playing with their name. Yeah, everybody not playing. And that's the thing that people got to start understanding. Everybody is not playing with their name. You're not going to just say what you want to say about me, about my family, and make these claims that are absolutely false. And it just be like, okay, we'll keep scrolling and let it just. Everybody is not playing that role. Some people will take it to court, and they do have some of the best lawyers in the country. And like you said, now your life is up. You got to go to court. You got to spend this money for what? Just because you decided to say something that you. You was chasing a moment, a viral moment, and you wanted what you were saying to just be on every blog. Everybody not playing the blog game with their name. And that's what people don't understand.

[Damaris]

So listen, man, can you imagine being in court for the first time the Kardashians have ever sued for defamation? You're sitting, waiting for the judge to come in. You just scrolling on your phone, going through Kanye West's timeline that they never sue?

[Mall]

Insane.

[Damaris]

Can I pull up some Kanye tweets about the Kardashian family?

[Mall]

Insane. But everybody's not.

[Damaris]

Defamation is, like, case closed you gotta.

[Mall]

Understand the timing of it all is RICO cases coming down on everybody. Kim and Chris ain't playing with that. We're not playing with that. You're not gonna. Don't put our name in any of that. Don't attach our name to no claims of a RICO case coming down. We're not playing with that. So now you have to go to court and. And deal with the consequences. And it's up. Because, you know, they have history. They, you know, have a lot of history. And I'm sure they still have a lot of love for each other, but probably not. Well, I doubt it. Yeah.

[Damaris]

Probably not just ex business partners, but.

[Mall]

Ex business partners is crazy.

[Damaris]

The. My favorite part of the whole thing, though, is why. Where I do feel for Ray J here is he showed compassion. He said there was nothing he could do, which means he tried. He tried everything he could do to stop this RICO from.

[Mall]

Oh, they tried. They tied the I hated first record into this as part of his antagonistic behavior.

[Rory]

Traces back to 2013.

[Mall]

Wow. Oh, yeah. So they just not. They. They like, all right, bro, enough is enough. That's what this is.

[Damaris]

And wait till Kim represents herself.

[Mall]

Man, Kim got a lot of out of prison boy right there.

[Damaris]

Yo, we kept the file.

[Mall]

She got a lot of pardoned. Yeah, yeah. Ray, you might be in trouble. Ain't Scooty Bikes can't get you out of this one.

[Damaris]

I will say, Young Thug lifestyle playing in court was one of the funniest clips I've ever seen. If in fact, they play I hit it First. Does California allow cameras in their courts?

[Mall]

Yeah, does California. You didn't see the OJ Crowd. The. Are you talking about? And somehow the Kardashians are involved in that, too. The genders. Jesus Christ. Yeah, Ray, you in trouble.

[Damaris]

Can you imagine that footage of I Hit it first playing in a courtroom?

[Mall]

Oh, okay, wait. Words are important. He said the federal RICO I'm about to drop on Chris and Kim is about to be. Okay, okay, all right, all right. That's different. The federal RICO I'm about to drop, drop.

[Rory]

But you still saying the feds is coming. There's nothing I can do about it.

[Mall]

But he's saying he's about to drop it. So then if he's dropping. If he is dropping a rico, the feds will. The feds are coming.

[Damaris]

Nobody besides the state and the federal government can drop a rico.

[Mall]

I understand that.

[Damaris]

I can't show up.

[Mall]

Trust me, I know that.

[Damaris]

And be like, yo, I'm just saying.

[Mall]

Once he said it's on me now. Once he said the federal RICO I'm about to draft cop on Chris and Kim is about to be crazy. The feds is coming. There's nothing I can do about it. Yeah, yeah. You got to go to court for that. We can't just throw that out there like that. Yeah, well, Ray, listen, man. Ray got some paper, he got some money, he could hire a good lawyer.

[Damaris]

Does he have battled Chris and Kim money?

[Mall]

I don't know.

[Damaris]

Cause all the Saudis have that.

[Mall]

Yeah, well, Ray got to go do some jokes. He gotta go touch the sand and whole hands.

[Damaris]

He has to hope that the prince loves one way. He gotta talk to French Montana, you know, try to figure out something over there.

[Mall]

Right, man? Yeah, man. Right. That's my. That's my God. I. With Ray J. But.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I want him on the show.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah.

[Damaris]

There was one of my.

[Mall]

We love you, man. Like, but dog, what's up, man? What you doing, bro? What you. This is. This is bad. This is bad. You know, Kim and Chris kind of had it out for you for a few years, man. This. This is bad, man.

[Damaris]

And what's tough with. With defamation cases is you have to somehow prove that the person is intentionally lying. Like sometimes I could say something false about somebody and they can't really sue me for defamation because I thought it was true.

[Rory]

Yeah, you just don't know what the fuck you talking about.

[Damaris]

Exactly. I'm just. I'm just stupid. I know Ray J can't drop a RICO case and he knows that. So this may be a kind of like clean cut and dry defamation case. Yeah, the Kardashians here can.

[Mall]

Ray. Is he allowed to like. So they're suing Ray or they're just taking him to court? They take him to court for defamation.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

So like what would be the penalty?

[Rory]

I don't know. I don't have that.

[Damaris]

Yeah, probably some. Some type of.

[Mall]

He would have to pay something.

[Damaris]

Yeah, you don't go to jail for that.

[Mall]

Ray gotta settle out. He got settled. Out. Out. Don't go to court. My bad. I'm sorry. How much I need for me to. For me to never say your name again. Just go that route. Ray, get out of there quick, man.

[Damaris]

I just hope Whack 100 does a clubhouse live from the court.

[Mall]

Oh, you know he got the text messages.

[Damaris]

He's gonna be the stenographer.

[Mall]

Yeah. Yo, whack is the stenographer.

[Damaris]

The Whack 100 coverage of the Ray J trial.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Is going to be the greatest thing of all time. Another guest. I won here is Whack 100. Shout out to Whack 100. So can we have Whack and Ray on here just to talk about this case?

[Mall]

Yo, Whack and Ray, man. What's up? Come to New York, man. We got to talk to y'. All. We got some things to talk about.

[Damaris]

Well, we pay over 100 grand a year in insurance just in case we get sued. I think we have a little buffer. Let's get Ray and Whack on the pod.

[Mall]

Gotta have Ray. Yeah.

[Damaris]

And have some conversation. 100.

[Mall]

We gotta talk, man.

[Damaris]

So what's the point of having insurance if you don't use it?

[Mall]

Exactly.

[Rory]

So to clarify for defamation, you can still sue somebody for defamation if they said something wrong and they believed it's true. If they didn't, fact check. So, like, for example, if I looked up an article and an article says something wrong, and then the article was later redacted and I repeated it, you can't really sue me because Rolling Stone told me it was true. But if I say something and it's wrong and I didn't look it up, I don't have proof of fact checking. Whether I believed it was true or not still can be sued for defamation.

[Mall]

Well, that's what I'm saying. Once he said the federal RICO I'm about to drop. Once you start talking like, oh, you about to drop a federal rico. Okay, you. You playing. You playing with something dangerous. All right, here we go. We'll see you in court. Who got Shapiro on it?

[Damaris]

I mean, who.

[Mall]

They got Shapiro.

[Damaris]

He was at Thanksgiving.

[Mall]

They got Shapiro on retainer. Yeah.

[Damaris]

Alan Derkowitz or whatever his name is.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Yo, that was a crazy, Crazy loading. Like when you go back to that insane of how that was.

[Mall]

That was the real dream team.

[Damaris]

Oh, for sure. It's crazy that, like, a wide left field goal, like, legitimately changed the world. Like that brought us to OJ to tmz, to. Everything has changed because somebody missed a field goal. Yeah, it's. To me, it's Covid. And that.

[Mall]

That's.

[Damaris]

Those are your two OJ trial as far as things. Completely. All right.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

OJ trial. Nine, 11. Covid. And I'm really not even trying to be funny. Like, the entire world changed as far as media goes, because of that OJ Draw.

[Mall]

But everything changed. But it's so funny. What's so funny about that is if that OJ Shit happened today, nobody would even. That wouldn't even be like, the top story. The things that we that we see happen.

[Damaris]

We talking about OJ Though.

[Mall]

Like if what we see people way bigger than O.J. simpson go through shit now. We don't even keep up with their court cases.

[Damaris]

If Magic Johnson slaughtered his wife and a waiter, you don't think that would be like top story?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

In 2025.

[Rory]

Yes, yes.

[Mall]

Fuck no. We will look at that shit and keep scrolling.

[Rory]

You sound fucking insane.

[Mall]

We would not care about nobody give. They showed us fucking aliens. They pulled out two cornish ends and none of you niggas said anything because they were too Cornish. They just showed us shooting a fucking Tomahawk missile at a ufo. Nobody said nothing.

[Damaris]

Well, because they were nobody.

[Mall]

Because nobody gives a fuck. That's my point.

[Rory]

That's not.

[Mall]

Not.

[Rory]

First of all, we sat up here and everybody was talking about the Diddy case the entire trial. The same way was seated for the.

[Mall]

Oh, by the way, who gets sentenced today? Now, if y' all listening to this, he's being sentenced today.

[Rory]

Oh, really?

[Damaris]

Oh, I thought I got pushed.

[Mall]

No, I think it's did it.

[Damaris]

I could be wrong.

[Mall]

I thought they said it was Friday. This Friday?

[Damaris]

Oh, okay. Well, yes, if Magic Johnson and I hate just to throw this on a second. If he.

[Mall]

Poor cookie bro, we shot a hellcat at a UFO and the UFO kept moving and nobody said anything about.

[Damaris]

Happened in the Battle of Los Angeles as well. And they kept it moving.

[Mall]

But no, we saw footage of the hellcat, like being fired at the UFO 4000 rounds. Nobody said nothing.

[Damaris]

All right, man, if Magic Johnson did that, it would be 24 hour coverage in Fox News. All the headlines would be, is this trans violence? Because his son is trans. That's how.

[Mall]

Oh, see, that's not fair. Once you see, once you tie that into it, of course it's going to be headlines. Johnson.

[Damaris]

It would have nothing to do with Magic Johnson and his actions. It would just be, well, where was his son? Just like the O.J. case. Yeah, I guess, because Damaris thinks the son did it.

[Mall]

Do you?

[Rory]

I do. O.J.

[Mall]

Son.

[Damaris]

I'm not mad at that.

[Rory]

I think he covered for his son and I think that's why he made it so fake. Well, what if I did do it? I think all of that is a distraction. I think he knows his son did it.

[Damaris]

Nah, him and his man's. Nah, him and Charlie did it. Charlie's a real person that lives in Miami currently, by the way. Way, like he's alive. Chilling. They found Charlie like his full government. I don't want to make that like that book was not fiction. It was an autobiography of the events that happened. And he didn't even change Charlie's name.

[Mall]

Oh, my gosh, man. Jesus Christ.

[Damaris]

Well, yeah, anyways. Prayers to Ray J, Chris.

[Mall]

No, I think I'm gonna really pray. Like, we say that a lot, but I think I'm gonna really pray for it. Yeah, I'm gonna pray for Ray J, man. Cause that's my. That's my. I, I with Ray J, man. So. Praying for Ray J, man. Cause I. Yeah, yeah. Too much talking on the live streams. Came back to bite him in his ass.

[Damaris]

I, at that point, like, I'm going into court, just how do we settle in some degree. But see, that's why I say, like battle, y'. All.

[Mall]

Like, Ray J, on his last live stream, told us that asses was being taken in ways we can't imagine. Nobody said nothing.

[Rory]

He didn't say, who asked? You can't. If he would have said, I'm about to drop a federal RICO on some famous motherfuckers. That's different. Once you start saying people names. If he would have said somebody ass was being taken, then touche.

[Mall]

Score. Score for Damaris. Absolutely right. Yeah.

[Rory]

Specifics.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Ain't my ass being taken, but somebody.

[Mall]

Ass ass is just being taken.

[Damaris]

Piers Morgan put Jaguar Wright on his cable TV show and he thinks he.

[Rory]

Didn'T give a fuck.

[Mall]

No, he gave a fuck. You ain't heard from Jaguar since, did you. Y' all ain't heard from Jaguar? Yeah.

[Rory]

Where's she been?

[Mall]

Where's she been? Where Jay Z told her to go. Don't play with me. See, don't play. First of all, don't play with me.

[Damaris]

You're buying into her theories that Roc Nation is going to kill her.

[Mall]

You seen, you've seen the imagery. You are with Roc Nation. Rock Nation in Israel.

[Damaris]

Hello? Yeah, I was just up. Just up in the building paying my ties.

[Rory]

They get Rock Nation.

[Damaris]

How you think I got this shirt? I'm here.

[Mall]

You ain't touched the same.

[Damaris]

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[Mall]

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[Damaris]

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[Mall]

All right Rory, do we have voicemails? You've got mail.

[Damaris]

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[Mall]

Love the Pod. Just want to start with that. Arthur Just wanted to ask the POD a quick question because I love y' all dearly everyone. Perspective has helped me and gained a.

[Damaris]

Perspective on how to get in line. But what's for you? Y' all speak from a very pure and honest perspective and I really, really appreciate that.

[Mall]

Appreciate you put in. Thank you. My question is this.

[Damaris]

How do you deal with rejection when you know you have been qualified or it's just not working in this pace or space? How do you just deal in that situation and make it work? Thank y'.

[Mall]

All.

[Damaris]

Appreciate y'. All.

[Mall]

Hopefully this helps me and other people.

[Damaris]

Keep doing what y' all doing love.

[Mall]

All right, so he's asking how do you deal with rejection?

[Damaris]

Yes. If for example, there's a position that you know you are qualified for and deserve, yet you don't get it. Now me being white, you blame that on dei.

[Mall]

No. Oh, my bad. Okay.

[Damaris]

Well I mean for yes half of the country that is usually their go to when it comes to certain. To certain things. All the navy pilots that don't get a job because they wanted to give it to a black woman that was cleaning up. Yo, you're, you're. You're crew in TI is some of the dumbest I've ever heard of my entire life.

[Mall]

Holy.

[Damaris]

They didn't deserve you know what it takes to be a pilot.

[Mall]

Oh my God. Jesus.

[Damaris]

They just letting anybody. Well, the Saudis did yeah. And we harbored them in America and then they made impossible turns to fly into the Pentagon.

[Rory]

Give this man some advice.

[Damaris]

Mine is a little, I guess cliche and maybe maybe won't hit. When you're in the moment of rejection and feel like fuck, how am I going to get a job? There's been plenty of shit label roles when I was still working corporate of stuff I did not get that I thought I deserved and it stung and it sucked. But now in retrospect I see that a lot of those opportunities would have put a ceiling on my entire life. A lot of stuff I wanted to get would have fucked me over in the long run. Like there was a time when I was working for shy that all I wanted to my dream would have just been a fucking A and R Def Jam. Couldn't have thought of anything better in my life than that. Now not shitting on anyone that works at a label. I think that's great. I think the vice president, president, that's an incredible gig. Knowing myself now that being a ceiling for me would have been the wrong path. So a lot of the rejection I got of things that I thought I wanted I can now see was a blessing that I did not get those things. Able to work with myself, for myself. Now get to work with you guys. Have the freedom to be creative and do what I want when I want it. Still work. Of course. But had I not been rejected from a lot of the things I thought I wanted, I wouldn't have had to regroup group and find the things that were actually better for me in that regard. So many gigs that I if I would have gotten them, man, I'll be sitting here and again, no disrespect to a salary or whatever, but I would have been getting way less money in a city that is too expensive for anyone to live. Where the ceiling at most is a vice president gig where a salary is not going to move no matter what you do for that company. Yeah, I wasn't right for it. And they said out of here. And I'm glad they did because I wasn't.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

I don't know if I. That would have been something that I would have wanted to do in the long run.

[Mall]

Rejection is good. We need rejection. You need something even if you feel like you're qualified and that job was for you. Sometimes you need that. No, you need that. That moment to kind of like think, figure things out, pivot. People are scared of rejection. Rejection means that you tried something and it didn't work this time. It doesn't mean it's never going to work or it's never going to happen for you. Let's take this as a lesson. Take this as time to sharpen your skills and work on things that you may need to work on. And timing. Timing too. Timing is an important aspect that people don't allow to happen as much as they should. Maybe that just wasn't the position for you. That wasn't the job for you. That wasn't yours. And that's okay. Like, but you know, if it's for you, it'll find you. Just keep. Your job is to keep working and to keep becoming better and things that you need to work on with yourself and professionally, personally. And it'll happen eventually. And when it does, your job is just be prepared for it.

[Damaris]

Yeah. And use these rejections to pivot and get new perspective.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

I wasn't necessarily rejected from St. Peter's College. I was politely asked to leave. But in that moment, you asked to.

[Mall]

Come back and you were rejected in that moment.

[Damaris]

I feel like I like royally up. I had a full track scholarship and I got fucking kicked out because of my temper. Yeah. But at that exact same time went to another school. We practiced at 6am instead of 2pm where I did at St Peter's I was then able to go intern at Def Jam because I didn't have to have track practice in the middle of the day, which then led to everything else and you know, down goes the waterfall from there.

[Mall]

But timing.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Like I thought, I cannot believe I just this up. It opened an opportunity where I had more freedom to do what I actually wanted to do. Like, is it great to be a communications major at St. Peter's College? Sure. I think that's great. Anyone that graduates from college, I think that's a great accomplishment.

[Mall]

Judgment.

[Damaris]

But I didn't find purpose until I got rejected from there and went somewhere else.

[Mall]

Right.

[Damaris]

So yeah, you have to make the most of those moments and not get down about it and feel like, oh, if I don't, if I got rejected from this, what's my worth in anything else? That's maybe not for you.

[Mall]

Yeah. So you know, well, hopefully that helps you. And again, man, you know, if it's for you, it's going to happen. Don't worry about it. Rejection is not permanent. It's just right now, temporary. Eventually things will happen for you, especially when you're ready for them. So don't trip too much, man.

[Damaris]

And I mean, if, I don't know, is he also getting rejected from a person or was he just going job all the way through on there?

[Rory]

I think he was just the one job.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but that could have been like coded because he didn't want to say rejected from a girl.

[Rory]

Ah, yeah.

[Damaris]

Or are they, you know, whatever his.

[Mall]

His thing is, being rejected by somebody like personally has always been funny to me.

[Rory]

What do you mean? Funny how? Cause it's, when this happened to me, it wasn't funny.

[Mall]

But it is funny. I mean you might not think it's funny because of your ego, but like when you really sit back and think that somebody was like, nah, I'm cool. That's some funny. That's just some funny shit. That shit like, yo, what you mean I can't take you to dinner? Like that hurt, you don't want to.

[Damaris]

Eat, like you're not hungry, not getting a job. Because qualified or not qualified is one thing. Somebody rejecting your existence, it's a different.

[Mall]

That is funny to me. Like, yo, what you mean we can't go to dinner? Like, nah, like I know some pretty nice spots. Like no, I, it, it is what it is.

[Damaris]

But do you even want to be around the person that immediately rejects you? Like to me, that's. And again, this comes with time because trust me, I have an ego, I'm fragile, all that. There's been times I was rejected and, and, and felt sad about it, but now it's like why would I, but why you felt, why would I even want to.

[Mall]

Why did you feel sad though?

[Damaris]

Ego. It had nothing to do with like me, like I didn't even know the person like that.

[Mall]

Right.

[Damaris]

Cuz when you get rejected, you don't really know.

[Mall]

You don't know the person why you put that much into it like this. I don't even know this. All self ego is so that is all ego driven.

[Damaris]

And then I'mma sit here trying to convince someone that out the gate their first impression is they see me and go, nah, I'm not going to convince that Person.

[Mall]

No, I don't want to go out with you. I'm cool. Damn. All right. It.

[Damaris]

But that's what I feel like high school and, like, puberty and just all that, like, really teaches you. And, like, we would walk in the cafeteria and. And women would just immediately in their head go, no. And you just gotta live with that.

[Mall]

That is hilarious.

[Damaris]

With a developing brain of, like, not knowing anything.

[Mall]

Tell you. That's why Next is the greatest show ever, man. They gotta bring that back. Back. They just got off the bus and they're like, next. I didn't even say nothing.

[Damaris]

No, it's. Moved on to popping a balloon. Come out there in their finest garment.

[Mall]

Oh, my God. That is the funniest in the world, man. You just walk in a room and start popping a balloon. You know how.

[Damaris]

I don't think there's anything wrong with that, though.

[Mall]

No, it's not. It's like.

[Damaris]

I really don't, bro.

[Mall]

It's. But it's just funny. It's, like, very humbling. Somebody see you and be like. Like, maybe that's. You know what? That might be a skit for us. Like, we just go outside. People that walk past, we just pop up a little.

[Rory]

No, I hate when people do it, like, in text message, like. Cause I've sent, like, my homegirl back when I was single, I sent my homegirl a picture of this guy. I was like, what you think? And that bitch just sent me a balloon and, like, a pin. Like, the emojis.

[Mall]

Oh, my God.

[Rory]

I'm like, dog. All right, cool. That's fine.

[Mall]

That is some. That is just that the idea. That is just hilarious to me.

[Rory]

I have another voicemail, but it's not a voicemail, but I have. It was an email that was sent.

[Mall]

Oh, okay.

[Rory]

It's gonna be quick, all right. Because I. I know you guys, so I know what you're gonna say. But this girl said, hey, I'm sorry for emailing you. I tried to ask a question on the link for the pod, but I don't want my husband to hear my voice. I tried to change it so many times. It didn't work. If you see this, I would love for you to ask the pod.

[Mall]

She was trying to talk like a federal witness.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah.

[Damaris]

Like, hey there, J. Rico. Yeah.

[Rory]

She says, I have been married for five years now, and it's been great, but it's been one little thing. He won't let me have his passcode. He cheated early on in the relationship, but we got back together. Obviously, it hasn't been easy, but he's worth it. Just wanted to ask y' all what y think.

[Damaris]

Well, I also love her logic here. So I assume she didn't want to do a voicemail because her husband also listens to the show. Didn't want to hear the voice that was so specific. I'm sure her husband is like, well, this is about me.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Yeah, man, you could have just said it.

[Mall]

Yeah, you could have just said that. Like, yeah, she wants to pass. Go to his phone, but he won't give it to her.

[Rory]

Yeah. And he got caught cheating previously and they're married and have been for five years.

[Damaris]

If. Okay, if he hadn't been caught cheating, I would say no, because even if you have nothing in your phone, like, there needs to be boundaries. And, like, if I'm just giving you my phone for no reason, where does it end? But if you got caught cheating and you're married, you gotta give that passcode up, bro. Like, see, you have to.

[Mall]

I'm different. Like, I. I would give my girl my passcode.

[Damaris]

Sure. Like.

[Mall]

Cause I'm not cheating. I wouldn't give a fuck. But there's still things in my phone. Like, my homeboy might be going through something with his girl or something. Or, you know what I'm saying? It's like, now you reading that, it's like, I don't want you to know that about my homeboy. Like. Like, that's what it's not. Most of that I'm cheating. It's like, now you reading that. My homeboy going through. You know what I'm saying? Like, my other friends might be. It's like, that ain't for you to know.

[Damaris]

Yeah. And if people saw, like, the memes and videos mall and I DM each other, I don't think our.

[Rory]

I wouldn't have a job if we.

[Damaris]

Had significant others would think too highly of us.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

I don't think they need to see that. Everyone I've dated has had a great image of mall that I'd like to keep. And if they saw some of the.

[Mall]

Yeah, if they saw the memes that I sent Peach, I would cancel tomorrow.

[Rory]

That was always. That was always.

[Damaris]

You see this stuff between me and Jay Electronica.

[Mall]

Oh, my. I forgot about that. I got. Matter of fact, I gotta delete that text thread, man. Let me delete that shit now.

[Rory]

I always. That was always my main thing when it's like, don't go through my phone, my home. I have my homegirls send me nudes for approval. You don't need to be going through my phone now, having my passcode, because it's like, if something like, yo, can you grab. Can you answer my phone? Or can you.

[Mall]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Your girl homegirls send you nudes for approval to send to a guy? Oh, okay, okay, okay.

[Damaris]

Yeah. But it'd probably be better if a man was a better second reference with me.

[Mall]

That, yeah, it should be another layer.

[Rory]

Of like, they should definitely approve. Like, yeah, approve. Get their news that they're sending to their man approved by another for sure. That makes that sense.

[Damaris]

Okay, yeah.

[Mall]

Hell yeah. I. Yeah, it's like, it's like a two step.

[Rory]

He said two factor authentication.

[Damaris]

Two factor with the Google code. Okay. Is it inappropriate because I've heard specifically unfortunately Mall's name before. Women will send dick pics in their group chat to other women. Is that inappropriate if one of your homegirls is in a relationship? Because to me, that's kind of.

[Rory]

Some men that would think so if.

[Damaris]

I went through my girl's phone and went through her group chat. And even if obviously she's not asking to see somebody's dick pic, but if it's in there, like, yo, what the. They don't respect that you want a relationship. And dicks shouldn't just be in your phone like that.

[Mall]

That's when girls look at the most dicks when they're in a relationship.

[Rory]

You just made that up. The you just be making up out the corner of your ass is crazy.

[Mall]

Damaris, I guarantee you, you looked at more dicks that you wasn't when you was in a relationship than you was when you were single.

[Rory]

No, but dick gets sent to my phone because it just. Actually, my homegirls don't send dick pics to my phone because they know it. It freaks me out. So they don't send dick pics to my phone.

[Mall]

Dick pics freak you out?

[Rory]

I'm not. Y' all know I'm 90 gay. I do not want to see no dick that ain't mine. Please don't send me no dick. Please. I don't like women send their dude dicks. Please. Unless you belong to me, I do not want to see your dick.

[Mall]

I'm cool.

[Damaris]

I think, I mean, that's a fair.

[Mall]

I think that's a fair. That is such a fair thing. But it's just funny when you hear her say it, like, all right, like, it ain't like.

[Rory]

Like, I'm not one of those. I have homegirls that are like, so straight, they think dick is the Most beautiful thing in the world. Dick's ugly as, bro. I don't like you not sending, like, no beautiful to me. Dicks is ugly. Men don't put no art into their dick pics. Like, women will do a whole production for a nude. Yo, that look like something that be, like, hung up. Men just ashy at just dick, like, what Move. No.

[Damaris]

They should go, what's the tune? What's the.

[Mall]

The.

[Damaris]

The tune app. Face tune.

[Mall]

Face tune on your gotta face Tune your face. Team face Tuning the hammer pick is crazy. Try, like, put some effort in Johan to put the. What was that? Filter. Girls using the flower. Remember the flowers on the top of the head? Going to put that on top of guess who.

[Damaris]

Putting the dog ears on. On your dick.

[Mall]

Oh, my God.

[Damaris]

Yeah. You gotta do some shadow work, some lighting. You gotta figure it out. But does that make, I guess, men a little, as far as group chats go, a little more moral? Because I've never been in a group chat where men are sending nudes of women in, like, yo, this just sent me this nude. I've never been in that group chat, but every girl I've talked to ever says, yeah, now our group chat, it should be dick pics.

[Mall]

And that's because they don't respect us, Rory.

[Damaris]

Oh, I mean, I know that.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Starts with rejection.

[Mall]

Yeah. Just pay bills and shut up. That's what we're supposed to do.

[Damaris]

And then buy a bag when you up.

[Mall]

Exactly.

[Rory]

Should the girl break up with her husband for not getting the passcode, yes or no?

[Mall]

No.

[Damaris]

No. But he needs to come up off that passcode.

[Mall]

No, she shouldn't break up with him. And no, he shouldn't come up off the passcode.

[Damaris]

What if you cheat and she stays? You gotta get the passcode.

[Mall]

No. For what? If I cheat and you stay? That's it. You stayed. Ooh, it's over. We married.

[Damaris]

Facts.

[Mall]

You don't want to be married no more. Cause you don't got my passcode. I'll see you in court.

[Damaris]

I bought you a bag.

[Rory]

But this is my thing.

[Mall]

And this is I bought you a bag. You want passcode? No, but I'll buy you a bag.

[Damaris]

This is.

[Rory]

And this.

[Damaris]

See? Lotto stage.

[Rory]

That's my issue with it. Because I don't like when I ask you something, and I don't like to hear no.

[Mall]

I know.

[Rory]

No, it's not about no. I don't even know what that word means. But I don't like when I ask you something and you're like, why are you Making this such a big deal. Like, what you gonna leave me over? This is like, it's not a big deal, but the fact that it's so small and you won't give it to me now it's a big deal. Like, if it's such a small thing that I'm making such a big deal over, why wouldn't you give it to me? Like, I think that that's so, that's, it's so manipulative. Because if it's such a, if there's nothing in your phone and I'm telling you.

[Mall]

But there is something in my phone, but it's not what you're thinking.

[Rory]

If you.

[Mall]

I'm not cheating, but I don't want you reading like shit that my homeboys is going through.

[Rory]

You think that he's not cheating. The man that got caught cheating already and still won't give the passcode, that's not fair.

[Mall]

Because you can get caught cheating and never cheat again. So that's not fair. I don't want to put that on because he got caught before me and he's definitely cheating again. He could have got scared that he was going to lose his wife and his family.

[Damaris]

Listen to 444.

[Rory]

You not giving that passcode up, you ain't that scared because you don't give it up.

[Mall]

But I will say the fact that he did get caught cheating before, he don't have much leverage to not get passcode.

[Rory]

I think that's the most most important part.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So since I, I, it's gonna bother you.

[Mall]

But that's whack though, because if he never got caught cheating and he wouldn't give up the passcode, it would still be a problem.

[Rory]

It would be a problem, but I don't think it would be more of.

[Damaris]

A problem for her asking that, like, why.

[Mall]

No, but that's, but no matter, no matter what, it would be a problem. That's why there's no winning in that situation. Like, if he never got caught cheating before and didn't want to give up his passcode, it would still be an issue.

[Damaris]

If somebody decides to stay in a relationship after cheating and wants to work on it, you have to, to exude a lot of effort as well, because it's going to take that person a lot of, a lot of time to earn the trust back.

[Mall]

But it's called, yeah, you gotta, it's called insecurity, though. It means in you, you got to do the work internally. Yeah, no, no, my passcode insecurity would.

[Damaris]

Be if I never Cheated and you have baggage and you just want to go through my phone because you're insecure with everything else. If I have done something to you, you're not insecure about it. I did it to you. That's just a reality of what's going on.

[Mall]

But we were talking about.

[Damaris]

You have to earn trust back in. In that regard. And if that says you get my MacBook, you get my computer, you have to start that process. Part of that process is seeing what the fuck you doing.

[Mall]

So. So my question to you is, I'm gonna just get random strip search, like, get the fuck outta here.

[Damaris]

You on parole.

[Mall]

Leave me.

[Damaris]

You on parole now?

[Mall]

I'm not on parole for the rest of my life.

[Damaris]

Of course not. Of course not. If that shit continues for four fucking years. What, like, all right, at some point you decided to stay.

[Mall]

Yeah, but you know, I know how that goes. Rory. It's never enough.

[Rory]

Enough.

[Damaris]

Okay, yeah.

[Mall]

You know that once you get caught cheating, it's never enough. You can have my passcode. Check everything. You must see. You must have wiped this.

[Rory]

You deleted it.

[Mall]

This is what I'm saying. So it's not. Know what we doing here?

[Rory]

Going through it, because I don't even want a. That's dumb enough to get caught twice. Like, I don't. It. I'm not even gonna go through it because if I go through your phone, I don't find anything. Like, it's like, oh, because you deleted it. Like, it's so. It's just. There's no point. I'm not even gonna go through this. It.

[Damaris]

Unfortunately, if you stayed with somebody that cheated you, you have to subconsciously accept that you don't really care about cheating and they're probably still cheating. And you just have to start. Accept. I know it sounds up, but you have to. You're kind of accepting that that's probably happening. Our reality, I think.

[Rory]

But I think. I think that in the back of.

[Damaris]

Your mind, even if you don't think, you think that you're thinking that.

[Rory]

But I think that I think all cheating scenarios are not created equally.

[Damaris]

For sure.

[Rory]

If we're going through a hard time in a relationship and you around and slipped and fell in some pussy, it happened. And you came to me and told me that this is what happens. That's completely different from you running around having affairs and you got caught. Like, there's a difference between a mistake and a choice lifestyle that you're making.

[Mall]

Yeah, but if he continue. If he tells you every time he.

[Rory]

Cheats, that's just I'm not saying every time. I'm saying if you did it once and you told me when it happened and I decided to stay, that's a completely different scenario that I caught you. You cheating multiple times with multiple women or cheating multiple times with one women. Like, that's. That's completely different. Those are completely different scenarios.

[Damaris]

You know, be kind of hilarious if Neo got caught cheating.

[Rory]

Yo, Chi. And on the three women with another. Is that.

[Damaris]

It was four. Oh, it's three. I think it's four. Four.

[Rory]

It's four women. Or four of them total.

[Mall]

It's 444.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Getting caught cheating on one woman is exhausting as far as anything. Imagine four women in your house that.

[Rory]

You cheated on and they jump you naked. Christina, Ariel, Monet and Bri. Oh, Christina's called pretty baby. That's cute.

[Damaris]

Look at the stuff tomorrow.

[Rory]

Pretty baby, twin flame. Phoenix Feather and sexy little something.

[Damaris]

Nah. I know everyone feels a way about Ariel. Why Ariel the twin fling.

[Rory]

Neo is Phoenix Feather got the best pussy.

[Damaris]

Oh, for sure.

[Mall]

Phoenix Feather. Nah. Sexy little something got the best.

[Rory]

She got the best body Brie.

[Mall]

Yeah, she got the best.

[Damaris]

Yo, she. She doesn't clean in the house.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah. Bri got the. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 100. Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

Stop thirsting over his girl.

[Mall]

Yo, I'm thirsty. I ain't thirsting. And I think it's just beautiful union.

[Damaris]

Shit. Tip.

[Mall]

I think this. I think this is black love right here. They all black women too, right?

[Damaris]

I believe so. If you had four girl, imagine cheating and you had four girlfriends.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

That would be nuts.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

You just.

[Rory]

At that point, then you have a problem.

[Damaris]

And. But I mean, if you're that. Well, I guess not open. What's that called?

[Rory]

A polyamory.

[Mall]

Polyamory.

[Damaris]

So does that mean like the four of them are cool with bringing in other chicks or. It's like this is. Is the. It's the five of us polyamorous.

[Rory]

Yeah. They're all. The five of them are in a relationship with each other.

[Damaris]

Got you. Okay, but that if. If you're just going off like sheer stats and numbers and probability. If you've watched the movie 21, there's a way higher chance that someone's going to cheat if five of us are in a relationship like that just brings in way too many numbers. Someone's cheating.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Statistically, I don't think it's Bri. I don't think it's sexy little something. Phoenix may have stepped out.

[Mall]

I ain't gonna lie, Neil. I don't Know what Neil waiting on, but he need to get that motherfucking TV show going.

[Rory]

I'm gonna sit and watch for sure.

[Mall]

Everybody's gonna watch. Are you kidding me?

[Damaris]

All right. Neil has kids, and I know there's been, like, some stuff with his baby mother and this whole thing. That's gotta be wild, though. Like, if one day my baby mother ended up in a relationship with four other women and a guy. No, my kid's not allow. Well, I mean, yeah, you can't have five stepmothers.

[Mall]

I can understand that. Yeah. I'm not mad at that. Nah.

[Damaris]

That's not an environment. No. I'm sorry.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

And no, everyone's choices, like, live free. I'm good.

[Mall]

But nah, my kids can't be over there.

[Rory]

I don't think I would want my teen over there. My baby. I wouldn't mind if that makes sense. Someone who's old enough to understand what's going on, I wouldn't really want that. But a baby, a toddler. I actually think having four women in a house with a baby, a tod think that that's a beautiful environment. You have a whole village in the crib. Like, you get mad. Nobody's never not giving you attention.

[Damaris]

Fair, but. All right. Vetting one person that your child's mother or father is dating is one thing. Vetting four different personality. Like, yeah. I don't know. Four. Four separate people with four separate lives. Four separate groups of other people next to them. Like, that's too much involved. Like, I can understand four different families as well, with their parents. There's. It, like. Nah, that's not very Brady Bunch to me, but I respect what Neil's doing. Listen, I wouldn't have the patience for it.

[Mall]

We got a point. You need to be on a. He need to be on the next one of the bills. What bill is available without a president?

[Damaris]

Oh, I thought you meant like a show. I was gonna say the Saudis are hiring.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah. That's what he's doing. Saudi. This is Saudi culture right here with Neo doing. He just adopted the Saudi culture.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

That's all that is.

[Damaris]

Damn. And finding four women like that down for that. I know. I think it's a beautiful thing in that regard.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Like shouts. Shouts to Neil. But I don't know what happens if, like, one person. Do you. Do you all break up with one person if they leave? Nah, this is too messy.

[Mall]

Nah.

[Damaris]

Like, what if one. What if Brie just wants to dip?

[Rory]

Yeah. Closure convo is four on one piece.

[Mall]

That. Yeah. You got to talk to all of us at the same time and tell us why you breaking this thing up?

[Damaris]

And like, what happens if, like Bri leaves and she moves to Miami and Neo has a show and just happens to run into Bri and they rekindle. Does he have to tell Phoenix and.

[Rory]

Yeah, he has to tell him before he even has sex with her.

[Damaris]

Okay, but what if Phoenix is like, n. It's cool. Bring her back to the tribe and.

[Mall]

Then.

[Damaris]

Sexy little things like, nah.

[Mall]

Yeah. Now we gotta. We gotta. Gotta sit down and gotta get on.

[Damaris]

This is like Survivor.

[Mall]

Yeah. We gotta get on the same page.

[Damaris]

I respect it, man.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

I think this is something you could do more. I don't think Damaris and I are cut out for it. I think this is definitely something you could do, though.

[Mall]

What, have four girlfriends? Yeah, definitely.

[Rory]

I'm hierarchy wise. I'm not cut out for it. They were 26 year old.

[Damaris]

Damaris could do it.

[Rory]

No, I couldn't. I have a problem. I would have to always. So with polyamory, everybody is equal. I don't live life like that. Of course I would have to be. Me and my husband would have a girlfriend. Like there was. There would be. Like there would be. No, we're all equal. Like, that is. No, not for me.

[Mall]

That ego is crazy.

[Rory]

It's disgusting. My ego is disgusting. But I'm honest about my ego and I'm honest about what I can and can do.

[Mall]

I respect that.

[Damaris]

Well, yeah, I was in a throuple for two days. Two days too long.

[Rory]

All. No, I'm my parents favorite kid. Like I'm your favorite employee. I'm just not gonna just.

[Mall]

Say all that.

[Damaris]

I mean, that's fine.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

You know what I'm saying?

[Damaris]

She does a lot.

[Mall]

Yeah. So it's all good, man. All right, well, we'll talk about some more of this on Patreon.

[Damaris]

Yeah. We have to get to pitchforks.

[Mall]

100 albums O another list. Can't wait to break this down for Patreon.

[Damaris]

Oh, I. I am. They got me again. I'm furious.

[Mall]

Are you?

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

All right, let's talk about your fury.

[Damaris]

Can't breathe.

[Mall]

We'll talk to y' all soon. Be safe, be blessed. I'm that. He's just ginger. Patreon, here we come.

[Damaris]

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[Damaris]

Can small acts make a real impact in the world? Sometimes a small thing has the power to become more something big and meaningful. And when it comes to helping children, no act is too small. When you fill up at the Purple Giving Pump at Shell, a portion of your purchase will be donated to support charities in your community. The Giving Pump Easy to stop, easy to donate donate from 9125-10-3125 participating Shell stations will donate a minimum of $0.01 per gallon of the fuel pump from the giving pump or a minimum donation of $300.

[Rory]

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