Episode 416 | Sweet Tooth

Summary

New Rory & Mal – Episode 416 “Sweet Tooth” (October 21, 2025)

Overview

This episode of "New Rory & Mal" dives into a characteristically wide range of topics with irreverence, laughter, and occasional hot takes. The crew launches with playful banter about "sweet tooths" (with more risqué and NSFW innuendo than candy), segues into a lively debate on paying for sex, discusses controversy around Tyler, The Creator’s old tweets and fan base, examines Brandy’s tour drama, celebrates thief folklore after a daring Louvre heist, explores the continued existence of old-school sex work, and closes with album talk and a spirited mailbag debate on Taylor Swift’s "album variants". Mixed throughout are signature moments: jokes, cultural observation, and an authentic connection to music culture today.

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1. "Sweet Tooths": The $5,000 Weekend Dilemma

Timestamps: 02:15–05:02

• Segment Kicker: Starts light with the “I got a sweet tooth” hook and immediately veers into a discussion about paying for sex.
• Baby D and Josh debate whether they could pay for sex, riffing on morality, “chakras,” ancestors’ disappointment, and immediate regret.
• Mock-serious comparison emerges: “You telling me vagina costs $5,000 for the weekend? Mike don’t even,” says Baby D, connecting it to the price of classic Jordans (03:31).
• Verdict: it's not them, and anyone paying that will regret it.

“Imagine Maul attempting to buy p***y and look in the mirror and going, ‘Maul, this isn’t you.’” – Josh (03:03)

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2. Tyler, The Creator Twitter Backlash & Fanbase Analysis

Timestamps: 07:38–27:27

a) Tyler’s Old Tweets Surface

• Tyler, The Creator gets backlash after a D’Angelo tribute tweet surfaces, which prompts deep-dive unearthings of his controversial, often anti-Black tweets from years ago.
• They read the tweets live, dissect meanings, and debate context versus harm (08:31–13:30).

“All of these things were... anti-Black even back then. That’s why it was shock value even back then.” – Rory (15:33)

b) Fanbase Dissection

• Argument on whether Tyler’s “white, shock-value skate kid” fanbase ever really respected Black art, or if critiques are fair.
• Multiple perspectives: some say Tyler’s early audience was always diverse; others say his tweets cultivated a very specific, predominantly white audience.
• Comparison to other artists who matured past youthful shock antics (e.g., Eminem).
• Mal notes changing public standards on social media over the last decade.
• Discussion on the impossibility of a Black hip-hop star not having white fans; differences between types of white fanbases (24:09–27:22).

“Just because Igor is light years above anything you were doing with Odd Future... doesn’t mean all the fans that loved that sh*t are now going to understand who you’re sampling.” – Josh (25:16)

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3. Brandy Concert Drama: Dehydration or Sound Issues?

Timestamps: 34:32–39:13

• Recap of Brandy leaving stage during a Chicago concert, initial rumors of technical difficulties, and her subsequent statement about dehydration.
• Crew wonders about the real cause: technical or health?
• Connects the situation to the infamous Jay-Z & R. Kelly tour breakdown, expressing concern but also poking fun at musicians citing “hydraton” after public missteps.
• Noted: Brandy/Monica tour schedule is grueling—multiple consecutive nights likely increased the stress.

“If we see Mo and the girls, like Mo and the girls... If this goes from Brandy and Monica, the Boy Is Mine tour, to Mo and the girls, we gonna have to have another discussion.” – Baby D (37:32)

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4. The Louvre Heist & Heist Culture

Timestamps: 49:22–55:14 & 58:00–59:47

• Enthusiastic admiration for a real-world Louvre jewel heist (“three guys in construction outfits during broad daylight”).
• Geek-out over "heist movies" (Ocean’s Eleven, Lupin), collectibility of stolen art, speculation on black-market buyers.
• Discussion about the “practice” and hierarchy of being a professional thief, and theory of insurance scams.
• Quick aside: Kim Kardashian’s Paris robbery is revisited; turns out elderly "grandpa robbers" were indicted in 2025.

“It’s so cool to know that those people exist... like there’s actual ninjas outside.” – Josh (52:19)

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5. Old-School Sex Work Still Exists

Timestamps: 55:34–57:12

• Contemplates the persistence of street-based sex work despite the digital age, especially among older practitioners/newbies.
• Baby D and Rory reminisce about street culture, drones surveilling streetwalkers, and YouTube accounts devoted to “blade watching.”

“There are people who are older still selling, and there are older men who don’t know how to buy pussy online.” – Rory (56:10)

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6. Music Talk – Tame Impala, New Releases, and Female Rap

Timestamps: 69:49–74:52

• Baby D is obsessed with the new Tame Impala album ("Deadbeat"): “I can’t turn it off!” (70:07)
• Other albums: Dave East’s “Karma 4”, Ty Dolla $ign’s new release, DJ Premier & Ransom's collaboration.
• Rory is eager to see Tame Impala live at Barclays.
• Brief mention of Ice Spice’s new single (and brand deals), SZA, and Cardi B’s ongoing chart performance.
• Some jokes about Ice Spice becoming more of an influencer than artist, comparing her career trajectory to Saweetie and Young Miami.

“If I’m a hardcore Taylor Swift fan and I collect...I’ll buy three different color versions [of a vinyl] because I like to collect things. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it.” – Josh (88:40)

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7. Mailbag: Taylor Swift’s Album Variants & The Merch Debate

Timestamps: 79:04–89:13

• Caller asks if Taylor Swift is unfairly maligned for releasing multiple album variants versus other artists.
• Crew agrees with Russ’s take: it’s just giving fans options; let diehards choose if they want all versions.
• Josh: “Numbers don’t matter to the world...it doesn’t affect anyone’s life except for this label and her.” (81:53)
• Rory raises devil’s advocate for “manipulation” with younger fan bases, but Josh places responsibility on parents.
• General conclusion: All artists should work the system, especially since labels manipulate artists, and fans are collectors by nature.

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8. Notable Quotes & Moments

Paying for Sex

• “5K for sex is crazy.” – Baby D (04:05)
• “The regret comes from you knowing your ancestors are looking at you like, ‘really?’” – Baby D (04:18)

Tyler, The Creator

• “He was known for shock value because there was shock. Because this shit was crazy in 2014.” – Rory (15:33)
• “Just because Igor is light years above anything you were doing with Odd Future...doesn’t mean all the fans that loved that are...gonna understand who you’re sampling.” – Josh (25:16)

Brandy Tour

• “I do hope Brandy is okay and she takes care of her. Obviously, we all love and support Brandy, and we want to see them have a great tour.” – Baby D (37:41)

Heist Hypemen

• “I like heist movies ... It’s so cool to know that those people exist, like there’s actual ninjas outside.” – Josh (52:22)

Sex Toy Realness & Merch Discussion

• “You bought a fake pussy with real money.” – Baby D (94:07)
• “Numbers don’t matter to the world. Who cares if she manipulates the numbers?” – Josh (81:53)

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9. Additional Highlights

• Clarissa Shields’ Rap Freestyle: Crew jokes about the boxer’s rap debut, playfully ribbing delivery, all while acknowledging her authenticity and real-life energy (44:09–46:53).
• Merch, Patreon & Morals: Rory and Josh debate the ethics of asking fans to buy merch, subscribe to Patreon, etc., concluding that fans should have agency, as long as no one’s exploited (84:44–86:47).
• Sex Toy Parties & Kinks: A few minutes of NSFW but hilarious talk about sex toy parties, Fleshlights, and the limits of acceptable kinks in relationships (91:39–97:43).

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10. Episode Tone & Takeaways

The banter is loose, NSFW, and dense with layered inside jokes and pop culture critique. The show’s value lies in the authenticity of host chemistry: ribbing each other, pushing cultural conversations forward, and balancing nostalgia with sharp-eyed perspective on music, fandom, and the realities of adulthood.

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For New Listeners

You’ll leave this episode with a fresh take on music industry shenanigans, internet culture, the gray areas of artist controversy, and a snapshot of Black pop culture conversations—all delivered with humor and a lack of filter that has come to define New Rory & Mal.

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This summary skips most advertisements and irrelevant intros/outros, focusing on episode highlights, conversational turns, and memorable commentary for the full advanced listener experience.

Transcript

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[Baby D]

No worry. I got a sweet tooth.

[Rory Mall]

I got a taste for you so what you want?

[Josh]

That was the start of my video right there.

[Baby D]

I thought that was my bad.

[Josh]

We're back. That's way better than me saying, and we're back. You saying, I got a sweet tooth.

[Baby D]

I got a sweet tooth.

[Josh]

I'd pay. Not gonna say the name, but I'd pay. That might be the first time I'd pay.

[Baby D]

I can't. I tried to before, man. I just couldn't.

[Josh]

I might.

[Baby D]

It's like my nervous system, my body is just like too aligned with like my chakras. My chakras are not aligned to like, no.

[Josh]

My. My paper, my Venus and Mercury would.

[Baby D]

Definitely align for my chakras was just like, this ain't you. My I felt like my ancestors ain't you. I feel like my ancestors was like, yo, this ain't even. Your Steve's right here.

[Josh]

Imagine mall attempting to buy pussy and look in the mirror and going, maul, this isn't you.

[Baby D]

You see, it just wasn't me. I tried. It was like an experiment I wanted to have. Like I said, let me just see if I'm actually capable of doing this. And physically, like my nerv.

[Josh]

Him.

[Baby D]

Everything was just like, yo, you bugging. Like, this ain't even. This ain't you.

[Josh]

I don't know, man.

[Baby D]

I'm dead serious. I'm not even trying to be funny. Like, I'm. I tried to pay for sex before.

[Josh]

I. I'd break my rule. I think I'd pay 5k for the sweet tooth.

[Baby D]

Nah, you tripping, bro. Don't know. Don't know. Vagina cost $5,000 for the weekend. Yo, they got the. Listen, they got the. They got the shatted back boy Mike sitting for retail right now. Those is classics. They sit. You can get them right now, Josh, for 120. Just shattered backboards. 120. They just sitting beach. You telling me sex vagina cost 5,000? Mike, don't even. Cause Mike's shoes are sitting retail.

[Josh]

I can't. Mike's shoes.

[Baby D]

But those are classics. Like, it's a classic.

[Josh]

What I'm gonna do. Look at it.

[Baby D]

She's not a classic. Get out of here.

[Josh]

She might feel like one, though.

[Baby D]

5K for sex is crazy.

[Josh]

I'm paying for another man's shoes. Like, that is crazy.

[Baby D]

Nah, 5k for sex as well. Just think about that for one second.

[Josh]

I'd immediately regret it. No matter who it was, I'd immediately regret it.

[Baby D]

And the regret comes from you knowing that your ancestors are looking at you like, really? Like, this is what you're doing with your life. This is where your life has taken you.

[Josh]

And, like, maybe a little tmi. But her, I probably wouldn't last very long, so, like, that'd be kind of a waste. But 5k, I need to know. Like, I got. You know, I got a night.

[Rory Mall]

So.

[Baby D]

5K for the night? Yeah. Like, when did.

[Josh]

You gotta give me another round?

[Baby D]

So it's like from the time y' all meet up 24 hours after that.

[Josh]

Yeah, I'd regret that 5k pretty quickly.

[Baby D]

Of course you would. You know you would. That's crazy.

[Josh]

And I feel like you can't even say, yo, I beat if you paid for it. I don't think you could be like, yo, you know, you can't.

[Baby D]

Yeah, that's. It's so many.

[Josh]

It's so many.

[Baby D]

It's so many stipulations with that. It's just like. It's just disgusting. Like, I. I don't know.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

I'm just not with that marriage. Good. It's laying. It's laying. Oh, you got that. You got that line. What you put in there? That sofa 8.

[Rory Mall]

Yo.

[Baby D]

What you put in there? What's that? That wet and wavy?

[Rory Mall]

No, it's just a fresh little. Fresh haircut. You know, side.

[Baby D]

Side part.

[Rory Mall]

Yeah, a little bang over the eye.

[Baby D]

Oh, you're looking like little Kim and Nas7 right there. Let me see.

[Josh]

Oh, yeah. You know, remember the bang over the eye look? That. That had a run. That had a run.

[Baby D]

Oh, man. People watching the girl that was coming to see you when you was young, you, like, looked out the window and saw her walking up the block.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Oh, man, that was the best.

[Josh]

Butterflies. You immediately become.

[Baby D]

You smell like. What was the body spray they used to wear?

[Rory Mall]

Cucumber melon.

[Baby D]

Remember that? Remember the cucumber melon?

[Josh]

I mashed it with my cool water.

[Baby D]

You could smell her four days after she left your crib. Your whole house smell like a.

[Rory Mall]

Well, Rory around Rory's time. It was more love spell.

[Josh]

Yeah, it was definitely love spell. Absolutely. Love spell was running rampant in the streets. The street smelled like it.

[Baby D]

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[Josh]

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[Rory Mall]

And it's not just the. It's. I want y' all to remember that if you don't have our Patreon. We have been doing Patreon for, like, three years now. You have three years of a back catalog to just.

[Baby D]

Why are you tripping?

[Rory Mall]

Like, it's. It's worth the money.

[Baby D]

That's where we get our.

[Josh]

I was about to say. And it's. You know, sometimes there's better content over there.

[Baby D]

I say.

[Josh]

I say my real thoughts on the paywall.

[Rory Mall]

Yeah, no.

[Baby D]

Let y' all know how I really feel behind the paywall.

[Rory Mall]

And we be live streaming now. We're trying all this live streaming thing, so sometimes we do pre production, post production.

[Baby D]

Asmr. Is it called asmr?

[Rory Mall]

Yeah, I was doing asmr.

[Josh]

I was.

[Baby D]

Cheese doodles. She's showing feet. Listen, man, go to the Patreon.

[Josh]

It's lit well over the weekend. I dropped my phone album quickly. Just dropped it real quick. Didn't say anything. So Now I have to say, hey, Siri, go to my home screen. Anytime I want to go to an app. Like my home button, just on the. On the ground. But I. I like, literally feel like I've been living like a second class citizen. I've been losing my mind not being able to go to the home button.

[Baby D]

They gotta call Boost Mobile. They'll come and bring you the new iPhone.

[Josh]

Just walking around my house. Siri, go to Twitter.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Siri go to. Siri, go to my email. Like, it's been hell. But I have to go to the Apple Store. Maybe I could use Boost Mobile 25. They can come and bring iPhone 17 while we're recording.

[Baby D]

They will hook up your phone right here while we are recording.

[Josh]

Over the weekend, I saw that Tyler, the creator, got a little bit of backlash.

[Baby D]

A little bit.

[Josh]

He said, rest in peace, d'. Angelo. And it all went downhill from there.

[Baby D]

Now, I saw some of his old tweets that they pulled up. I was like, okay. You know, they got Tyler. They went back and started digging into his, you know, his old work. I didn't see the d' Angelo tweet, though.

[Josh]

I mean, there was nothing really wrong with his. With his d' Angelo tribute. But just from there, people discovered that maybe Tyler Crater is a little anti black.

[Baby D]

That's what they got from his tweets. Now, I did see him in. They found a picture of him in a KKK costume.

[Josh]

Yep.

[Baby D]

I didn't know if it was Halloween, but I don't know if that would have made much of a difference.

[Josh]

I mean, I was mainly offended by the whiteface. I was hoping there'd be more outrage for that specific one when he was in whiteface.

[Baby D]

Well, let's read some of his tweets. Go scroll up, Josh, to the first one. Tyler says on this date in 2014, February 7th, this is what he had on his mind. He said, I hate Black History Month. Why the fuck do you have to fucking separate niggas still? Oh, it's paying homage to our heroes. Fuck that. Okay. I don't. I feel them. Why do we have just one month where we have to, you know. And it's the shortest month. We've heard that before.

[Josh]

You could find a loophole in that one.

[Baby D]

Yeah, yeah, I see that one.

[Josh]

You can find a way defend it.

[Baby D]

He's just mad at us having black history. They trying to separate us. Like, America is black history. The entire country is black history.

[Rory Mall]

Oh, that's what you got from that?

[Baby D]

Well, I'm just saying. I think that's what he was trying to say. I mean, you know, it is what it is. And then he goes on to say. He goes on to say, well, this was January 2014. He says, don't trust those random black dudes with the fade and nappy, natural bummy, almost dread at the top. They like everything. Okay, I don't. I didn't. I don't connect that one. I don't know what hairstyle he's talking about. Some black chicks work here. Affirmative. I don't know what that is either. Black people are currently mad right now, but in two weeks, we'll be over it because they really don't care. Cool. Hashtag though, right? I always say all the time, people don't care. Yeah. Okay.

[Josh]

These. These sound like a. A lot of malls. Tweets.

[Rory Mall]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

He in my back. Tyler was in my. He was taken from my book.

[Josh]

You guys had so much in common.

[Baby D]

Yeah. Tyler was the eight. That was my book. Tyler. It's all good.

[Josh]

But now there was some. Some wild ones. So now R. Kelly. One was insane. He said, R. Kelly pissed on a kid and got away with it. That's the swaggiest I've ever seen.

[Baby D]

Oh, yeah, that's crazy.

[Josh]

That's great. No, that's crazy.

[Baby D]

Yeah, that you can't too.

[Rory Mall]

Oh, so none of them were crazy, just.

[Josh]

No, no, I. I think all of them were crazy.

[Baby D]

What was crazy about it? Talking about somebody with haircuts that, like, everything. That's crazy to say. Yeah, certain haircuts, they like everything.

[Josh]

Not my place to say, but.

[Baby D]

I mean, it's not crazy. I mean, not saying you. You agree with it, but I don't think that that's crazy. I wouldn't look at that in 2014. Like, yo, he wild.

[Josh]

I mean, here's like, even with early Odd Future, like, that would be, like, going through old Eminem albums and, like, pulling out lines. Like, I'm not agreeing with anything that Tyler has said here, but when he was doing the shock value thing, he, like, that was a brand at that time for him. Eminem did the same thing. Eminem said some of these things on record, and we all just were like, cool.

[Baby D]

M. So Emma's has some crazy on his albums.

[Josh]

Yeah. And I mean, they even had the leaked song where he was calling black women the N word and all that. Like. And I'm not here to make it an M M thing. I'm just like, there's a lot of artists that have said insane things, and we're. We just move on like, that's part of their brand. I mean, Tyler matured in his, his brand, but when he was a young kid. Yeah, it was a shock value is what he was. Was doing.

[Rory Mall]

I'm not, ah, I don't know about young kid. They was pulling up tweets from when he was like 25.

[Josh]

Oh, well, never mind.

[Rory Mall]

Like, I don't.

[Baby D]

So as a result of all of this, what are we doing? Is Tyler like, is he canceled?

[Josh]

Oh, I mean, I doubt it.

[Rory Mall]

Yeah, he's not canceled but. And because. Mainly because of his, his main fan base don't give a. His long dark die. And which is really what he's saying, but his die hard fan base, they don't give a about that. They became a fan of him because he was doing all that wild. So no, there's no cancellation of him. But I'm not mad at people saying, oh, hold on now. This is why you have a. Your fan base doesn't respect d' Angelo's death. This is your fan base and this is how you got them. People pointing that out. I don't think that that's crazy.

[Josh]

So Tyler liked this tweet of somebody else. Tyler's fan base hates black music, despite Tyler himself having a very deep and love and appreciation for it. Mall has Charlie Wilson, Erykah Badu, DJ Drama, etc, as collaborators and they still refuse to engage with black art on any meaningful level. Very cannibalistic. I don't, I don't know if that's the case with. Maybe I'm just wrong and out of touch. I don't think Tyler's whole fan base is like that now.

[Baby D]

I don't, I don't think so either. Like, I don't, I don't understand where people are drawing that from his, his fan base is like that. Like, I mean, I'm not saying certain people in his fan base aren't that, but to say that Tyler's entire fan base is, that is a stretch. No, it's not. Like I've seen Tyler shows. It's a lot of like, people that are into black culture, black art at his shows, there's a lot of young white kids, a lot of young Asian kids. There's a lot of different demographics at his shows as. But to say that his entire fan base is not, you know, doesn't support or is not into black culture, black music is. That's a stretch.

[Josh]

Yeah, I just don't think the person that went to the Igor show, like, isn't also listening to other black music. I just can't see that. But I don't know, maybe I could be completely out of touch in that regard. And of course I'm not co signing any of his tweets. Those were nuts. But that fan base, I don't get that, baby.

[Baby D]

Did they call him deleting tweets?

[Rory Mall]

Oh yeah, he was up deleting tweets for sure. But what I don't understand is why delete them now? You ain't been know you have some crazy tweets sitting.

[Josh]

Like, he's addressed before though.

[Rory Mall]

Like, yeah, he's trying to cancel him before.

[Josh]

He's encouraged people, like, even at shows he said like, yo, go bring up my old tweets. I don't give a fuck. You can't cancel. Like, he's encouraged that before, like, and acknowledged that he said insane things. That's why I was even shocked that he deleted the shit. Or maybe he deleted shit because he reflected completely. Has a different perspective now and thinks that, damn, I shouldn't have fucking said that. I don't believe that.

[Baby D]

A lot of this shit with social media that I think people tend to Forget is that 10 years ago, 12 years ago, 15 years ago, certain things you said online were not deemed what they are today. Like, you could say things 10 years ago or tweet things 10 to 15 years ago that in that time, in that moment, it wasn't offensive. It was like, you know, kind of, everybody was kind of felt like that or, you know, whatever. But then, you know, things change politically, things change, the world changes, people's feelings changes, outlook changes. So to go back and dig those up is a little unfair because you gotta understand where we were as people and as, as a, as a world 10, 15 years ago, 10 years, certain things that people said was not deemed to be crazy. It was like, okay, a lot of people felt like that. Now you go back and look at it. Cause if that's the case, things I said 15 years ago, just around friends and family, in a moment, wasn't unoffensive. If people was to hear things I said 15 years ago today, like, you just play back some audio, it's like, then. That was wild to say. But yeah, the world back then was a lot different than it is today. So it's going to sound a little crazier today, like, oh, shit. But yes, the world has changed. So a lot of things now can be taken as offensive. They can be taken as, damn, that's fucked up. But it's not fair because 10 years ago or 15 years ago, that wasn't.

[Rory Mall]

The case 10 years ago. Every single one of them tweets you read sounded crazy. 10 years ago.

[Baby D]

Nothing about that hairstyle tweet sounded crazy to you? Okay, Nothing about that saying, there's a.

[Rory Mall]

Black girl that works here? Affirmative. Nigga was crazy back then. Like, all of these things were. They were anti black even back then. Like, that's, like. That's why it was shock. It was shock value even back then. Like, he was known for shock value because there was shock. Because this shit was crazy in 2014.

[Josh]

Yeah. Like. Well, I don't think all of those.

[Baby D]

Tweets was crazy, though. Like, crazy. I mean, he. Maybe you don't agree with it, but I don't think it was something like 10 years ago. Nobody was like, yo, he tripping, because I didn't even know. We didn't know about these tweets. Now, that's my first time ever seeing these tweets or hearing about these tweets.

[Rory Mall]

Because you weren't his target audience 10 years ago.

[Baby D]

I'm not his target audience now, and I'm hearing about the tweet.

[Rory Mall]

Okay. But Tyler is way larger now than he was before. Like, it's different. He used to be large to a niche audience. Now he's just large, period.

[Baby D]

Yeah. What I'm saying is the tweet, what he's saying today, they're digging it up today, and they're offended by it today. Ten years ago, I don't think anybody was offended by any of that shit he said. I just don't. We didn't hear nothing about this shit. Like, it's like. That's why digging it up is like, oh, shit. He said that 10 years ago. Because in that time in 2014, nobody thought that that was anything crazy. Don't trust random black dudes with the fade and natural bummy, almost dread at the top. They like everything. What is crazy about that?

[Rory Mall]

There's a pattern when you read out all of these tweets, there's a pattern of disrespectful.

[Baby D]

I hate Black History Month. Why the do you have to separate still? Oh, it's paying homage to our heels. That. That's. That's a crazy tweet to you, him saying, like, black. Like, why are we only. Why y' all keep, like. Y' all basically pacifying us, giving us this one month. We all. We all feel like that y' all giving us the shortest month of the year.

[Rory Mall]

To try your own spin on his words. He didn't say that. You can't say what somebody said he said what he said. He didn't say nothing about, oh, we deserve more months or, oh, it's Black History Month every month. He didn't say that. If that's what he meant. That's what he would have said he said.

[Baby D]

I mean, he didn't say that in exactly verbatim what I'm saying, but that's what that is. It's like, oh, you paying homage. It's kind of like, oh, let me guess. This is supposed to be paying homage to black history.

[Rory Mall]

Like, okay, so if.

[Baby D]

I just don't think anything was crazy about that tweet is all I'm saying.

[Rory Mall]

Okay, so. And I'm assuming you don't think anything is crazy about this one either.

[Baby D]

Some black chicks work here. Affirmative. I don't even. I think I need more content. What is he. It sound like that was a rant. I don't even know what that sound like.

[Rory Mall]

He went into somewhere, and it was a black chick there, and he's saying that the black chick got the job because of affirmative action.

[Baby D]

Nah, baby, I think you digging too deep.

[Rory Mall]

Oh, my God. I'm digging too deep into that very obvious tweet.

[Josh]

But I'm pretty sure that somebody work here.

[Baby D]

What is. I don't need. We need more context is all I'm saying. You can't just read that.

[Rory Mall]

But you don't need more context for the Black History Month 1.

[Baby D]

But a black History Month is him talking about black. Some black chicks work here.

[Rory Mall]

Where is here?

[Baby D]

What is he talking about?

[Rory Mall]

Well, back in the day when we used to be on Twitter because you used to be on Twitter when you walked into a place here meant wherever the fuck you were. Wherever the fuck you were.

[Baby D]

Yeah, but I mean, again, we. That's just. I don't. I need more context to that. That's not enough. Talking about Black History Month and it being like, oh, this is supposed to be paying homage. We know what that means. Like, that's like. That's a slap in the face. That's like, oh, you just trying to give us this month to celebrate black history. Like, we've all said that at one point or another. Like, why. Why do we have the shortest month of the year to celebrate all of our black history? Every black person has felt like that. I don't think that that tweet was crazy is all I'm saying. Now, does he have some things he shouldn't be saying? Yeah, I think we all have, though. That's not fair to just point it out when he does it. We've all tweeted shit and said things that could be taken as crazy, as disrespectful. None of us are above that.

[Rory Mall]

We can and we have. But when. But when people can pull up multiple tweets, when you are talking shit about your own race and then pandering and making music for white skaters, there can be a connection. Like, this isn't. Niggas are not pulling shit out of thin air. Like, there can be a connection that you were pandering to your fucking white audience. Because of the type of music that.

[Baby D]

We'Re doing, people could make that.

[Rory Mall]

Yes. Yeah. That's not crazy. So when people point out you was tweeting all this crazy shit about black people that was anti black to your white fucking audience, you can get a slap on the wrist for that shit. It's not like I don't think that that's crazy for people to say to hold him accountable for it. He's not gonna suffer. He's not gonna lose any fucking plays. He's still gonna be Tyler, the creator. But niggas could point out now that was some wax shit she was doing. That was corny. And you was 24, 25 years old.

[Baby D]

Is this something negative about this tweet?

[Rory Mall]

And black people are currently mad right now, but in two weeks it'd be over, cuz they really don't care. Cool hashtag though, right? My only thing is this. If you black and you got a white audience, why you always commenting and critiquing black people? Where are your tweets about white and Asian people? Why is everything black people? That's black people. That affirmative nigga that fuck black history.

[Baby D]

Oh, I'm sure we could find people. Black people, black crazy tweets about white people in his catalog, his tweetography, we could definitely find some tweets.

[Josh]

I'm sure there probably is.

[Baby D]

They just highlighting this right now. But if we dig. Oh, yes. In there. Absolutely. Tyler's always been a person. He don't give a fuck what he say. Like, he's always been that. Again, he's always been shock value. He says what he's thinking, he says what he feels. He doesn't give a fuck. He's always been, as far as I'm concerned, been that type of type of person. So I'm not surprised at that.

[Josh]

They were saying there was one. What about him hating Leon Thomas 10 years ago?

[Rory Mall]

That's funny.

[Josh]

That's so random.

[Baby D]

10 years ago. Damn. How? Leon Thomas was how old? 10 years ago?

[Josh]

I mean, you know, he was on TV, but he's been around for a while.

[Baby D]

Oh, so you hated him? Like, his acting, I guess.

[Josh]

I.

[Baby D]

He didn't hear any of his music 10 years ago, did he?

[Josh]

Oh, he said, I hate the black dude from Victorious. So, yes, that's Leon.

[Baby D]

Okay, but why?

[Josh]

He has some wild Wale tweet. I did not know his disdain for Wally either. There was, like, 10wale tweets.

[Baby D]

What was he saying?

[Josh]

That's just how much he hates him. Like, there was really nothing to it, except for, like, I really can't stand wallet. Like, I hate him.

[Baby D]

I mean, listen, man, I get it, man. But if we dig back into a lot of these people's tweets, we're gonna find crazy. That's all.

[Josh]

And I hear you that times were different at 10 years ago, 20 years ago, whatever. But some is just, like, inexcusable. That's.

[Rory Mall]

No.

[Baby D]

The kook. The KKK costume, to me, that was crazy.

[Josh]

Oh, my God, it was insane.

[Baby D]

Yeah. Like, hi, first of all, like, where did you get that? Like, where are you selling that at? Like, that's what my first thought was.

[Josh]

Yeah, where does one purchase that?

[Baby D]

I think that's a custom piece. I think you got to know a tailor or something.

[Josh]

Imagine going to the tailor.

[Baby D]

Taylor, the creator. Taylor the creator made it for.

[Josh]

But then, like, because Amazon wasn't around back then, can you get a KKK costume from. From Amazon.

[Baby D]

Party City? Party City might have had some of this over here.

[Josh]

They're going. They're going to space and making KKK costumes over at Amazon.

[Baby D]

Absolutely. It's all there.

[Josh]

That's fucking nuts. Maybe we should make Josh Google that on Amazon.

[Baby D]

I don't want that.

[Josh]

My algorithms.

[Baby D]

Josh don't want that either.

[Josh]

Josh. Puerto Rican, though. If I do it, it's insane.

[Baby D]

Josh. What they used to call you Speedy. What? Super Speedy.

[Josh]

I forgot about that. Forgot about Josh, who called you Tyler Super Speedy. There was. There was another crazy Tyler where he was telling people to, I think, go vote for, like, an MTV award and just. It was, like, every racial slur you could think of. I think he said, wetbacks, go vote, or something like that.

[Baby D]

Something like that.

[Josh]

No, Tyler was wild. He was definitely wild. But then again, there's, like, school shooter songs on the odd Future album, so maybe I just wasn't, like, as shocked as everyone else was when I saw these tweets. Yeah, I think they're awful. And, yes, he should be condemned for them, but I. It didn't shock me. He's been tweeting like this forever.

[Rory Mall]

I don't think anyone was shocked, though. I didn't see anybody be shocked.

[Josh]

But I do understand some of the backlash on Twitter being less about what the tweets are, because we know Tyler's done the shock value thing, but more so how he has been complaining about his own fan base at shows. And they're like, dog, you cultivated this. Look at all the tweets that you had. Even though I don't think those tweets got him fans. Like, I don't think people saw that and was like, oh, yeah, I see the group that Tyler wants to start. But he did. He does have a bunch of fucking white fans. Like, he built a white fan base, especially in the beginning. And I mean, you gotta deal with it. Like, yeah, there's. Some of them are just not gonna understand all the nerdy music side that you're into.

[Baby D]

When you say. When y' all say a lot of white fans. Is it possible in hip hop to be a star in hip hop and not have a bunch of white fans?

[Josh]

No.

[Baby D]

Cool.

[Josh]

But there also is, like, you know what they mean by that type of, like, white fan?

[Baby D]

The kids that hang out at 7:11?

[Josh]

Sure. But yes, of course, just based off sheer population in America, yes, you need white fans if you want to be a superstar. But there is also a specific type of white fan base. Like, shit, we even go down to the Steve Lacy shit. TikTok brought him a specific type of white fan base that he unfortunately had to deal with in that way. It's not like necessarily the music lover fan like that. Whereas Tyler has a lot of. He cultivated that shock value white kid fan base and you got to deal with that now. Even though you pivoted your music completely away from that shock value shit, you still got to deal with the fans that you. You started over here. Just because Igor is light years above anything you were doing with Odd Future when you were 20 years old doesn't mean that all the fans that love that shit are now going to understand who you're sampling when you're on, like, his last. Last tour, like, he had a bunch of records and he was literally playing vinyl records of the samples of the songs. A lot of them kids that just wanted to hear you scream fuck are not into that. And you just have to deal with it.

[Baby D]

Right?

[Josh]

So again, I don't think anti black, but they're just anti music. Like, they're shock value fans. So I get the. The outrage of, like, yeah, Tyler, I.

[Rory Mall]

Don'T even know if it's anti music. It's just not. It's just. They're just not. They weren't raised on soul. They don't recognize soul. They weren't raised on soul. Like, there's a difference between a white Drake fan, a white Tyler fan, a white Cole fan, a white Jay Z fan. There's differences between all of those type of fans. So is it? Yes. It's kind of impossible for you to become a megastar without white fans. But then there's also a difference between having white fans and having a majority white fan base. And those white fan base be a specific type of white. Like, it's just different.

[Baby D]

It's a lot of white.

[Rory Mall]

Yeah. Which is fine. Have a white fan base, but just don't complain when they don't recognize the Erykah Badu fucking. They don't appreciate the Erykah Badu collaboration. Like, they like that's the fan base you built.

[Josh]

Yeah. Because I think too with like, all right, like the white fan that was a fan of the Roots, Erica d', Angelo, just the whole soulquarian, that whole tribe Common. Like those white fans, because they had so many artists like them. Like, they had that community of all those artists. You would get the same white fan that would love the Roots and be like, oh, who's Erykah Badu? And then go research it and then go to an Erykah Badu show. I think the Tyler fan doesn't have that type of community or options. So they're just a Tyler fan. Like, they don't need to do any research. There's no one to research. They don't have to do a deep dive. There's no one else around Tyler, he's by himself. So, yeah, you're just going to get a white fan that likes your. Your music and your music on. They're not like you. And also, whereas a white hip hop fan is that like the Roots is probably has similar interests that Questlove and Black Thought have. Whereas Tyler's fan base, I don't think they're like him at all.

[Rory Mall]

No. Well, they're like who he was when he first came out. He's. He's evolved. But you're expecting just because you evolved your fans to evolve. No, they're still on skateboards and hanging out in front of 711 and living off orange slushies.

[Josh]

I mean.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Josh]

And I don't know, like. Like when I found out about Slum Village, then I got to figure out about Little Brother, like, I just went down the rabbit hole of everything. That was happening at that time. Whereas I don't think Tyler has that, like, who are they gonna discover? J. Cole. Like, there's no one like him. So I, I think that's why he's upset that his fan base is not like him. Because those people don't care.

[Rory Mall]

Yeah.

[Josh]

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[Baby D]

It's time.

[Josh]

Maybe the all new iPhone 17 Pro. I don't know if you know this, but it was designed to be the most powerful iPhone ever. Obviously it's the 17th exact. But are you also thinking about the traffic on your way to get the phone more maybe to go to the store transferring all your data that can get.

[Baby D]

Sometimes that can stop you from going.

[Josh]

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[Baby D]

Not the Boost Mobile.

[Josh]

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[Baby D]

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[Josh]

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[Baby D]

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[Josh]

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[Baby D]

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[Josh]

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[Baby D]

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[Rory Mall]

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[Josh]

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[Baby D]

That's not even possible.

[Josh]

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[Baby D]

I look exactly the same.

[Josh]

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[Baby D]

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[Josh]

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[Rory Mall]

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[Baby D]

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[Josh]

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[Baby D]

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[Josh]

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[Baby D]

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[Josh]

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[Baby D]

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[Josh]

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[Baby D]

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[Josh]

I know I went on a ramp, but I guess to close to say.

[Baby D]

You always going to rent.

[Josh]

Yeah, that's. That's true. I mean it's podcasting, but yeah, I feel like Rory, the Odd Future fan was a fan of Frank Ocean, not of R and B fan of Frank because he was part of Odd Future. That's where I think the disconnect is with Tyler's perspective of his fan base. But either way, we need to get Brandy some water. That's the main concern I think for this week.

[Baby D]

So y'.

[Rory Mall]

All.

[Baby D]

So I did see a video. Well, Brandi and Monica are on tour with Kelly Rowland, Coco Jones a part of that as well. Right? We talked about it last week. So they were in Chicago for the tour and Brandi walked off stage mid set and she walked to the soundboard. So I was thinking that it was something to do with her sound. Maybe she couldn't hear herself in the monitors or whatever. Whatever. When you're a vocalist like Brandi, you need to be able to hear the music. You need to be able to hear yourself. So I took it as that. But apparently this is a release from Brandi. A statement. Yeah, she released a statement saying, to my dear fans in Chicago, thank you all for the overwhelming love, support and most importantly, your prayers. I sincerely apologize for the abrupt abrupt into last night's performance in Chicago. After weeks of non stop rehearsals. Last night I experienced dehydration and feelings of wanting to faint. Everyone involved agreed that prioritizing my well being was of the utmost importance.

[Josh]

Well, I mean, I'm glad she's okay.

[Baby D]

And, yeah, that.

[Josh]

That would have been worse if she just tried to power through and then ended up fainting. Yeah, but. But, yeah. I mean, I know the tour is just starting, but people tend to forget how much they rehearsed before and how exhausted out the gate.

[Baby D]

Hopefully, she is okay, and she. She's, you know, she's hydrating and she's taking care of herself because, you know, you can't be on stage if you're not taking care of yourself. But the video that we saw of her leaving the stage, she walked to the sound booth.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

And she even said. I believe she said, you know, she was trying to get her sound right. How do we go from that to this letter of. I was dehydrated. Like, which one is it? Was it the sound? Did she go on stage after that song?

[Rory Mall]

No, she did not.

[Baby D]

When she tried to get the sound.

[Rory Mall]

Right, she did not come back.

[Baby D]

So it literally was. That was the last time she was on stage for the night.

[Rory Mall]

Mm.

[Baby D]

Okay, so I'm confused now. Love, Brandi. Hope she's okay, but we can't get a video of you leaving stage and going to the sound booth saying, hold on, y' all working on my sound, or whatever. She alluded to something like that to then getting a letter to her fans saying she was dehydrated.

[Josh]

Well, you know, maybe she went over to the sound booth to catch herself and thought, maybe I could get some water and go back out and just use that. Like, hey, technical difficulties. We'll be right back. Maybe that was her strategy and then realized and I'm really gonna pass out.

[Baby D]

And so she used the sound as a. Yeah. Maybe as a way her fans and.

[Josh]

Yeah. Technical difficulties to give me a second just so she could get a breather.

[Baby D]

But I've seen this movie before. Rory.

[Rory Mall]

Oh, Lord.

[Baby D]

Happened in the same city in Chicago. It was the Best of both Worlds tour. R. Kelly said.

[Josh]

Tyler said.

[Baby D]

I'm just saying. I'm just saying. R. Kelly said something, you know, and then that was the end of it. It was. The tour was no more. It turned into Jay Z and Friends. So I'm just saying now, if we see Mo and the girls, like Mo and the girl. If this go from Brandy and Monica, the boys Montour to Mo and the girls.

[Josh]

Listen, man, Mo got the boy.

[Baby D]

Listen, man, we gonna have to have another discussion. But no, all jokes aside, I do hope Brandi is okay and she takes care of her. Obviously, we all love and support Brandi, and we want to see them have a great tour.

[Josh]

So do you. Do you think that there may be some internal back and forth? Because, like, with the R. Kelly, at least we, like, kind of knew what really happened and, like, the tension. But this. Yeah. Is there.

[Rory Mall]

I'm sure they're fine. It was probably something with. If it wasn't dehydration, I would say that it was something with Brandy's in Ears or Mike's. I don't think it was a moniker thing, but they didn't perform Boy Is Mine on the Boys Boys Mind tour. I will want my money back.

[Josh]

Yes. Kind of crazy.

[Baby D]

This. Was this the first show?

[Rory Mall]

First show.

[Baby D]

Seen this movie before me. Y' all think I'm crazy. I've seen this fucking movie before.

[Josh]

I'm not saying you wrong.

[Baby D]

I've seen this movie before is all I'm saying, man.

[Josh]

It might just be the Coco Jones tour at some point.

[Baby D]

It's going to be Kelly and Coco the Brown beauty store, man, like, Kelly looked incredible. Kelly always looks incredible.

[Josh]

Well, I mean, shit, I know Damaris wanted to go, but is it worth it?

[Rory Mall]

Was not the first. It was not the first day. I'm sorry. It was the third. The first date was. And this is another thing, their schedule. Josh, if you want to pull up their schedule, Their schedule is insane. Like, performing the 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th of, like, just straight is crazy for singers. Then the 24th, 25th, 26th. Like, it's like, there's like, 50 fucking dates on this tour, and they're back to. Back to back. So this was the third show. Chicago.

[Josh]

Oh, you're gonna need a lot of water then.

[Rory Mall]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Yeah. That's crazy.

[Rory Mall]

That's insane. It's insane. And it goes until December 14th.

[Baby D]

Well, y'.

[Josh]

All.

[Baby D]

It's a singing group. Won't y' all sing something?

[Josh]

I was gonna say let's buy tickets, but I don't know. Well, I'm a little nervous.

[Rory Mall]

New York is sold the out, so is.

[Baby D]

Of course it is. That's Brandy and Monica.

[Rory Mall]

Yeah. I'm probably gonna buy a ticket to the Atlanta show in December. The second Atlanta show.

[Josh]

Because we go down to ac.

[Baby D]

No, we go to Detroit. Little Caesars Arena. You know, that ain't sold out yet.

[Josh]

Don't. First of all, Detroit shows up for music.

[Rory Mall]

Yeah, there's some of the best up period now. Greensboro, North Carolina. I don't know.

[Josh]

That's up. There's a Lot of colleges over there.

[Rory Mall]

Oh, okay.

[Baby D]

Yeah. College kids ain't got no money, man. Not for no concert.

[Josh]

Do you think college kids are into Brandy and Monica?

[Baby D]

No, no. They might get. They might go off of Coco Jones, though.

[Rory Mall]

Well, Coco's only on, I want to say four of the. Yeah, I think she's only on three or four of the shows.

[Baby D]

Only three shows.

[Rory Mall]

Three or three or four. Yeah, she's doing the ones that Kelly is not.

[Josh]

Okay.

[Rory Mall]

Yeah, the ones that Kelly does not appear. Coco Jones is doing. But it's me. So it's mainly Kelly Rowland and Money Long and Jamal Roberts.

[Josh]

Did we get a Kelly set list? Like how many they did it?

[Rory Mall]

They did a Kelly setless. Like a real Kelly set list. Like maybe like four. I think Destiny's four or five. Destiny's Child. Quick little medley.

[Baby D]

Medleys.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Rory Mall]

Yep. There we go. Quick little medleys. And then I think some like, you know, songs of hers. So probably like a 10. 10 songs.

[Josh]

I was gonna say I would want. I would want the Kelly. Destiny's Child.

[Rory Mall]

Yeah. She's like. She's the opener. Opener.

[Josh]

Got it.

[Baby D]

Who got the biggest dressing room on tour? Let's be petty.

[Rory Mall]

It let's not.

[Baby D]

Let's be petty. It's petty Mondays.

[Josh]

Brandy, just because she's been like a child star and she was like Cinderella. I think she's more of a demanding. I don't want to use the word diva, but she's just been in this business a long time. So I think she gets the bigger.

[Rory Mall]

Been in it just as long as.

[Josh]

Brandy since a child.

[Rory Mall]

Child.

[Josh]

No, I'm not. Of course their time. They've been in the industry that long. But she her whole life all she knows is good green rooms.

[Rory Mall]

Monica. Well, how old was Monica singing with them big ass white sandals on? 14, I want to say.

[Baby D]

Really never meant to call you.

[Josh]

Yeah, Monica was 14 then. Oh, wow. Then damn. I stand corrected. But either way, I just think because Brandy, Cinderella, she gets the bigger one.

[Baby D]

So was those sandals. Sandals was a force.

[Josh]

She was 14 when. Don't take it personal.

[Rory Mall]

Yes.

[Josh]

Holy. Sounds like a grown woman on that.

[Baby D]

Sandals was a size 14.

[Josh]

Don't do that.

[Baby D]

Listen, I voted for it on the countdown. I used to call him. I used to call them so they could play that video. I loved Monica growing up.

[Josh]

Hell yeah.

[Baby D]

I had a crazy crush on Monica.

[Josh]

But yeah, I'm going Brandy confidently. I'm going with Brandy with the bigger green room. Or sometimes it's about who gets there first.

[Baby D]

I mean, you're Whitney Houston's Goddaughter. I think you get the biggest big address room.

[Rory Mall]

I think Monica gives it to her just to avoid any type of give it to her or Brandi take Or Brandi gives it to Monica to prove that she's not a diva. Like, no, I'm cool, guys. Fair take it.

[Josh]

I will say, though, at any arena I've been to backstage, they have multiple green rooms that are all the same size.

[Baby D]

I was about to say, we just talking. They the locker rooms for the team. You know how big those people have.

[Rory Mall]

People have been pitting them against each other for years.

[Baby D]

No, I do like the fact that because of that, people been. You know, kind of had them, like, you know, created this whole energy. Like, they don't really like each other over the years. Cause similar age, similar style and music. You know, two of the young girls coming up that had great voices, so they kind of were always, like, pitted against each other. But I do love the fact that they did put this tour on and to show people kind of like, yo, that's my girl. I fuck with her. Like, it ain't none of that negative energy.

[Josh]

We don't love each other no more of that.

[Rory Mall]

But ever since they did their verses, like, you know, it's like, okay, y' all are over. Like, the slap.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Rory Mall]

The backstage slap that they had when they were younger.

[Baby D]

But I do hope that the tour lasts and they are both able to finish it out, because I do want to catch them at some point.

[Rory Mall]

Yeah, I want to see that. I'm flying out to wherever I got to go to see that.

[Baby D]

Yeah, for sure.

[Josh]

Who is going to critique Clarissa Shields freestyle? Because I'm not going to. You.

[Rory Mall]

Let's see.

[Josh]

I'm not just saying it's because she could beat my ass. I actually thought she kind of ate on that freestyle. I was a little shocked. Ah. I mean, what was the. What was the line? We said she can put two. Two legs in. In someone's ass.

[Baby D]

Believe I seen her do it. I would have been in the back adling, but I seen her do it.

[Rory Mall]

No, she. She living her rhymes for sure.

[Baby D]

She definitely kicking ass. So. I mean, it is what it is.

[Rory Mall]

I don't.

[Baby D]

She don't sound baby D. Let's just keep it real. Let's keep it real Monday. She don't sound too far from the rest of these girls, I hear.

[Rory Mall]

Shut up.

[Baby D]

She don't.

[Rory Mall]

All right.

[Baby D]

Who she sound. She said that could have been Glorilla.

[Rory Mall]

No, no.

[Baby D]

We.

[Rory Mall]

The pandering podcast today. I ain't know Y' all should. Y' all should have told me. No, y' all should have told me. I ain't know that was a week long.

[Baby D]

All right, well, get your off.

[Josh]

Off?

[Baby D]

What's she sound like?

[Rory Mall]

Off anything.

[Baby D]

What she sound like?

[Rory Mall]

Listen, everybody has released a little freestyle. Y' all seen mine? It's online. We've all wanted to rap at some point, okay?

[Baby D]

Oh, she can work.

[Josh]

Yo, that's just jealousy.

[Baby D]

She even got the hair. She even got the hairstyle she had back then. Look, she got the same head. It's Throwback Mondays.

[Josh]

You going back your whole style. It's like the Rita or Rihanna thing or whatever the that was.

[Rory Mall]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Now we getting into, like, the trauma of it all. Okay, baby.

[Josh]

So you got definitely caused.

[Baby D]

Clarissa's trying to rap. And you know she ain't really a rapper. This is what you do, baby. Do you rap? You seeing a boxer trying to jump into your world and to your demographic, and you like, yo, she ain't really like, stop trying to paying it to the rap crowd. Just stay in the boxing ring. Don't try to pick up the mic. I see what it is, baby D. I respect that. I understand.

[Josh]

Can't be a legend.

[Rory Mall]

I think Clarissa just made a cute little freestyle and would not like it to be critiqued. Like, she's a real rapper, so I'm not going to do that. She made a cute little freestyle. What I will say is, Clarissa, that's shade. You fight me.

[Josh]

That's shade.

[Baby D]

A cute little.

[Josh]

And like, what if she thinks she's a real rapper?

[Rory Mall]

She doesn't think that.

[Josh]

She just rapped. That's real. That she just raped.

[Baby D]

That's real. You didn't see the video.

[Josh]

It's not an AI video. That's real.

[Rory Mall]

She made a cute little freestyle, and it was cute. And that's. People should be able to do that without being. Just because they're famous. Being critiqued like, they're real rappers next time. Clarissa just delivered.

[Baby D]

You thought I was critiquing her like she was a real rapper.

[Rory Mall]

No, I'm just talking about I'm not.

[Josh]

A real boxer, but if I walk outside and get my ass whooped, you gonna critique it?

[Baby D]

Yeah. If I come up here with a black guy, you're like, yo, you should have zigged instead of zagged.

[Josh]

Yeah, that's what you're a Monday morning court. Like, yo. Yeah, I know you're not a real boxer.

[Baby D]

The same thing with Clarissa. It's all good. No, we support Clarissa. She know that. But yeah, she don't sound far off from okay. Did she cool?

[Josh]

No, not. I don't think so at all. I think if a female rapper that we knew of said those exact same bars, we would be like, yeah, that was cool.

[Rory Mall]

I think delivery is everything, so just put a little bit more, like, be more confident in your delivery. Like.

[Josh]

Like walking out to, like, your hype man was louder than you.

[Rory Mall]

Like, you gotta. You gotta believe. You gotta rap that like, you believe.

[Baby D]

The delivery was a little timid.

[Rory Mall]

Yeah, a little timid. And you two. You two real.

[Baby D]

She just wrote that. She ain't really. You know what I'm saying? She had to live with it a little longer. She had a feeling with her bars a little.

[Josh]

She had to text that one to Pap, just so you know.

[Baby D]

Yeah, Pap proved it.

[Rory Mall]

You think Pap wrote it or you.

[Josh]

Think he wrote it?

[Baby D]

Nah, those ain't Pap bars. Yeah, we know Pap bars. When we hit Pat bars, it would have been way more complex than that. It would have been so layered, so many entendres. If that was Pat, you tripping. Y' all don't know Pat Bars. When y' all hear him. You don't realize what Pabs said in the first bar until you get to the end of the verse. Like, oh, that's what he was.

[Josh]

You think she would have done the bees? Boxing baddies.

[Baby D]

Baddies. Boxing.

[Josh]

Boxing baddies and box braids. Yo, yo. For doing the bees is hilarious, yo. Oh, shout out to Glissa and Pat Pooks. I mean, I think the marriage's a little. She was a little scared once she showed us the red bottom, because in Damaris Freestyle, she just showed us, like.

[Rory Mall]

The Harry Potter showed a red bottom. She curts. That was the craziest I seen in the long time.

[Baby D]

Yeah, she's letting y' all know what it is. She really living them bars. I really got red bottoms on right now while I'm wrapping this. Come on, who's tying it together better than Clarissa? These chicks ain't with Clarissa. And I did one of y' all rap chicks to say something to her. That's what I'm on today. I want to see that. Enough of the fight.

[Rory Mall]

You real, like, you know, I'm just saying, you want everybody to fight.

[Baby D]

Enough of the men fighting. Enough of that.

[Rory Mall]

That.

[Baby D]

Let me see some of you y' all ladies. Let me see y' all square. Let me see y' all bump into each other at the awards.

[Josh]

I mean, we.

[Baby D]

Y' all want to rap, right? That's part of Rapping. When I see you at the wars, it's lit. I'm popping on you. I did one of y' all to run a po.

[Rory Mall]

The be popping. When the last time one of these rap popped at an award.

[Baby D]

Well, we just had four funerals last year.

[Josh]

Refresh the timeline.

[Baby D]

Yeah, that pop with is different.

[Josh]

It's usually like killers that happen to rap. Yeah, that happens all the time. But, like, just a rapper. Nah, it's really only the women that pop up.

[Baby D]

Clarissa got a fight coming up, don't she?

[Rory Mall]

I would have to look like she.

[Baby D]

Got a fight coming up.

[Josh]

You know what I've never seen?

[Baby D]

Oh, no, it's Alicia. Alicia Baumgartner. She got a fight coming up with her and Tank. Fight the same. The same night.

[Josh]

We've seen rappers walk out with boxers performing. Maybe she could freestyle, like from the dressing room to the ring for her entrance.

[Baby D]

That's hard.

[Josh]

In red bottoms.

[Baby D]

That's hard.

[Josh]

And then fighting them.

[Rory Mall]

Yeah, fighting.

[Baby D]

I'm not going to anything you say about Clarissa. I don't know. I'm all the way in a click. She whooping ass.

[Josh]

Don't do that. Because Cardi and Nikki popped off at Anna Winter's block party.

[Rory Mall]

Anna Winter's block party is words I've never heard strung together before.

[Josh]

What's that called?

[Baby D]

Something about the.

[Rory Mall]

Was it the Vogue after party?

[Josh]

Probably, but what's the event?

[Rory Mall]

Or the Met? Probably the Met gala.

[Josh]

Yeah, the Met gala.

[Baby D]

It was the Met.

[Rory Mall]

It wasn't the meth. It was like a Vogue after party.

[Baby D]

It was a party actual mega.

[Josh]

I thought they popped off at the Met.

[Baby D]

No, no, no, no.

[Josh]

Oh, damn. I gave them way more respect than I thought. Yo, catching a heel at the Met is nuts. I'm so jealous of the people that robbed the Lou. Did you see the Lou heist?

[Baby D]

No.

[Rory Mall]

Yeah, them. That was fire.

[Josh]

They got like. So I love heist movies. Like, I. It's one of my favorite genres. Like, it's so cool to know that. Like, it. It's real. Like, there's real heisters out. Like the way you said that, like, there's actual ninjas outside. Like, they exist. People that, like, do heists exist? That's not just in the movies.

[Rory Mall]

Pull up the jewels they stole.

[Josh]

It was. I was with Napoleon or some. Somebody from a very, very long time ago. All his jewels was taken. All the sapphires. How do you even, like, sell that, though?

[Baby D]

If you think somebody is selling that, you got.

[Josh]

So what's the point of robbing it? Collectors like the Jordan, like The Jordan sneakers. Just look at them.

[Baby D]

No, no. Collectors. Collectors buy it. They're not selling it to, like, like, a random person. There's a person that wants. That can collect that, that can own that, that has enough money for that.

[Rory Mall]

Or they might sell them to another museum, like, somewhere.

[Baby D]

Who they said stole this?

[Josh]

It was just three guys in construction outfits. It was like some real Ocean's Eleven.

[Baby D]

Oh, this is Lupin. Y' all know Lupin on Netflix. He behind this. Y' all never watch Lupin?

[Rory Mall]

No, I never watched it.

[Baby D]

Nah, that's the. You got. And he all. He wears Jordan ones. He's stealing everything and all he wears Jordan. It's the coldest nigga ever.

[Rory Mall]

Look what it gets you to watch something. You so easy.

[Baby D]

The Jordan ones stealing from the Louvre. Hell, yeah, I'm watching that.

[Josh]

Nah, Danny Ocean did everything in a tuxedo.

[Baby D]

Nah, Lupin is better than Danny Ocean, bro.

[Josh]

What? Lupin, I have to watch it. But there's no way out of the. The three oceans that anybody's with Danny.

[Baby D]

Nah, I'm going looping. Looping in the J ones, looping in the Jordan ones. He taking all of that shit. Whose jewelry. Whose crown is that? I'll have it tonight. That's how Lupin get out. He go to the museums, check it out. He come back, but his. Lupin is ill because his disguises don't even be drastic, you know, That's Lupin. He just got a. A hat on. His disguise be a different hat. It's like, that's the same that was.

[Josh]

Here two hours ago, and it's always, like, crisp ones. Like, he.

[Rory Mall]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Or he recycles some. Some pairs because you're not stuffing your ones when you're. When you're heisting.

[Baby D]

No, no, Lupin don't do that. He don't repeat his pairs. Every. Every heist deserves. Deserves his own pair.

[Josh]

Wait, so. So to catch Lupin, they would just have to go to Foot Locker and look at Sal.

[Baby D]

They got to be like, who owns? Who in the city owns? And it's hard this many. Everybody got those Jordan ones.

[Josh]

That's funny.

[Baby D]

Yeah. I'm going with looping over Danny Ocean.

[Josh]

But I mean, with this. So they took, like, one of those electric ladder things that construction workers do, broke in, and they had those little saws and sawed into, like, the display cases. It took, like, seven minutes. Broad daylight while the Louvre was open. Like, all the tourists in there and shit.

[Baby D]

So people were screaming, running.

[Josh]

Yeah, like. And they got out of there. I think I Think they dropped a crown somewhere in the city. But, dude, this is crazy.

[Baby D]

Like, I like it.

[Rory Mall]

I like it, too. I ain't gonna lie.

[Baby D]

I like this type of.

[Josh]

I know. I. I like. How do you get in that business? Like, I don't. I don't want them to get caught, but if they do, like, I need a Vlad interview. I need to know how you. How do you become a heister?

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Like, to get to this level of robbing the loof. Like, I really think that's only in, like, movies. And.

[Rory Mall]

Well, I think you work your way up. Like, you know, you start off as, like, a petty thief, and then you move up, you start robb, robbing celebrities, and then, like, you just move up and up, and you get. You know, you practice.

[Baby D]

Like, to practice in the heist is crazy. And then give a back. Like, yo, I was just practicing, fam. I wasn't gonna really take your. Like, rob everybody and then give it back. Like, I was just making sure I still had it.

[Rory Mall]

Yeah.

[Josh]

I mean, it could. It could just be a little insurance scam.

[Baby D]

The Louvre. Could be. If they don't catch.

[Josh]

If they don't do it in broad daylight is crazy.

[Baby D]

Yeah. If they don't catch these people, then it's like, all right, fam. Like, what's really going on? Because there's no way you're not. This was in Paris, right? Yeah.

[Josh]

There's a camera on it.

[Baby D]

You know how many cameras there are in Paris? Like, on the streets? Like, they definitely gonna catch whoever this is.

[Josh]

They tried to light the. The ladder on fire after, but they failed. Like, they try to, like, burn the evidence, and. And it didn't work. But can you pull up a picture of the. Like, I'm. This isn't like, a ladder from Home Depot. Like, I don't know how they thought they were gonna burn this thing without it blowing up.

[Rory Mall]

I think that might have been their point. Like, as a distraction. Cause a distraction, commotion.

[Josh]

They would have taken out the whole side of the loop. Like, this is some. Some real.

[Baby D]

Yeah, this is definitely an inside job.

[Josh]

Yeah. Like, just doing that is.

[Baby D]

Yes. Inside job. Broad daylight. This inside job. Like, there's no way.

[Josh]

Speaking of, like, inside, man, like, it's so cool to know those people exist.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Like, they're really out there. Like, I've maybe sat next to a heister, and I had no idea. Definitely. That's cool.

[Baby D]

That's in New York City for sure.

[Josh]

I mean, do people still rob banks? Can you do that?

[Rory Mall]

Yeah. When the last time a bank was robbed In New York City.

[Baby D]

In New York City. Well, these is busting checks every day. You call it. If you. For like depositing a fake check. Do you consider that?

[Rory Mall]

No.

[Baby D]

So you talking about get the down, give me the money in the safe. You're talking about that type of robbery? Yeah, just movie. That don't happen in New York.

[Rory Mall]

The most recent yesterday bank robbery was August 5th, 2025.

[Josh]

He escaped with $350.

[Rory Mall]

Well, that ain't.

[Baby D]

I need a height man entered the bank around 11:15 and passed a note to the teller who gave him approximately 350. That ain't no robbery, man. The pulled that out his pocket.

[Rory Mall]

That was his own part.

[Baby D]

That was his money. Wasn't no, I'm talk. Nah, man, I'm talking about. Really bank heist.

[Rory Mall]

Oh, they stole. They robbed a Brink truck in Queens, June 2, 2025. Stole more than $5,000.

[Josh]

All right, but if you get into a Brink truck, there's got to be more than five grand of there.

[Baby D]

Yeah, these ain't that. That's not. I'm talking about this right here. This the biggest robbery in NYC history is likely the 1972 Pierre Hotel heist where thieves stole about 3 million in jewels and cash from safe deposit. That's a robbery. 3 million in jewels and cash from safe deposits box valued at approximately 27 million today. See, so all you gotta do is rob these places, Rory, and hold the shit. Yeah, hold it for a couple years, hold it for 50 years, and then cash out.

[Josh]

They still didn't get anyone for the Lathansa heist. That was. Was that the biggest heist in New York?

[Baby D]

Well, that probably was, yeah.

[Josh]

Okay, well that had to been the second biggest one then because that. That was crazy. My mom was working at the airport when that happened.

[Baby D]

Yeah. All heist now is like digital.

[Rory Mall]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Ain't running up in crypto scams.

[Baby D]

Yeah, like that's like selling on the block. They ain't doing that no more.

[Rory Mall]

Nah, they still doing it.

[Baby D]

If a woman is still walking the streets.

[Josh]

That's hilarious.

[Rory Mall]

Especially down south. Yeah, they still. They still.

[Baby D]

Oh yeah, down south.

[Rory Mall]

I saw somebody selling down south. They still do it especially. Especially over by like in them back areas where they have like motels and like if it's a red roof in across from a Super 8. Them illo areas. Yeah, you can still see a street walker for sure.

[Baby D]

I just. Don't that got to be for the love of the sport then?

[Josh]

For sure.

[Baby D]

No, because you don't have to like, it's so many Ways to get money, like just like sitting in the crib, like not having to walk the street.

[Rory Mall]

Well, the same way that your, like your mom and your grandma might have issues like using the phone, sometimes they calling you saying it won't turn on, like. And you just like, grandma like, son, do not disturb like, like that there are people who are older still selling and there are older men who don't know how to buy pussy.

[Baby D]

Hold on, hold on.

[Rory Mall]

Online.

[Baby D]

What older lady is selling?

[Rory Mall]

If you think there are 40, 40 year old women still selling, you're crazy.

[Baby D]

Yeah, for 40. Ain't that old to be like 40.

[Rory Mall]

They started selling it to a 55 year old man. He not doing on his phone. He want hand to cash. Hand to cash exchange. Especially down south down I ain't these.

[Josh]

Hoes trapping out of motel.

[Rory Mall]

It's still brick and mortar.

[Baby D]

I know.

[Rory Mall]

They still.

[Baby D]

Because they on Figueroa in Cali. They still walking the blade. Yeah, they still walking the blade. I love like. My favorite thing to watch is the YouTube channel with it. They got the manic with the drone following them with them.

[Josh]

Oh yeah, there's a YouTube page that follows street walkers. Yeah, with a drone.

[Baby D]

Somebody has a drone. He just flies over like, he just follows them. They be throwing like juice at this.

[Josh]

Yeah, I've never seen this.

[Baby D]

Yeah, man, I'll be in the deep, the deep dark corners of YouTube.

[Josh]

No, I need to get. I need. Give me your algorithms, yo, give me your algorithms.

[Baby D]

Algorithms. This like they be trying to hide their face. And like, ma', am, you butt naked now. You trying to hide your face.

[Rory Mall]

Hiding your face and not your ass.

[Josh]

Your whole.

[Baby D]

Your titties is out. Like you on the block with your.

[Josh]

Titties out where he's standing with like the controller.

[Baby D]

He probably like in a car somewhere. But yeah, he just had the drone following them. Crackheads drone. Well, that's all part of it. You selling pussy.

[Josh]

Crackheads got drones now?

[Baby D]

No, crackheads drone. They following the crackheads. End problem.

[Josh]

Oh, that's fucked up.

[Baby D]

If you selling pussy on the street. You considered a crackhead at this point.

[Josh]

One don't give the police any idea. Remember like, remember when the cops started getting like mountain bikes and they'll get. There'll be drones in the project soon. Yeah, for sure.

[Baby D]

Absolutely.

[Josh]

Before we get off the heist thing. You don't think it's weird that we never found out who kidnapped Kim Kardashian in Paris? Like, that was kind of nuts.

[Rory Mall]

Well, they didn't technically kidnap her, but. Yeah, I know what you mean, what.

[Josh]

Was the exact backstory?

[Rory Mall]

They. They followed her in and they tied her up and stole her jewels.

[Josh]

But they were like professionals.

[Rory Mall]

It wasn't like they were professionals.

[Josh]

Yeah, they robbed her at gunpoint, getting away with that. It's four million dollar diamond ring. Yeah, that's. And then we kind of just never heard about it.

[Rory Mall]

Well, I mean, they were looking for them, but I don't think they ever found them.

[Josh]

Yo, imagine having.

[Baby D]

No, they did. It was a high profile trial where eight people were found guilty in May 2025.

[Rory Mall]

Oh, oh, so they just found them guilty May 2025.

[Baby D]

Jesus.

[Rory Mall]

Because that happened a while ago.

[Josh]

Long time ago. I didn't even know that they found the guy.

[Baby D]

Guys.

[Josh]

All right, I need to know these guys. Are they on Vlad tomorrow?

[Baby D]

The thieves were dubbed the Grandpa robbers in the media due to their advanced age.

[Josh]

Nah, he's old as. He has to be helped down the court steps. And he robbed Kim Kardashian. That's. That's Whitey Bulger right there. That is crazy, yo. Yeah, that's for the love of the game. Like, if you.

[Baby D]

That.

[Josh]

Are you doing like thrill bucket list?

[Baby D]

Yeah, those are old school robbers right there.

[Josh]

Yeah, cuz, I damn. I got to know, like, his back history, though.

[Baby D]

Who else did he.

[Josh]

If you that old, Robin, Kim Kardashian, you have to be behind some of the biggest robbery.

[Baby D]

You think he. You think he knew who Kim was? Because it was Paris Fashion Week. He. Everybody's there.

[Josh]

From. From what I remember, this was a very well planned robbery. So I think they had been following Kim for probably quite some time or had somebody on the inside that knew.

[Baby D]

Kim was going to be at the hotel room. Yeah, this ain't happened, like, on the street. This was like, how did they get past the front desk? How did they. You know what I'm saying?

[Rory Mall]

Like, there had to be somebody.

[Baby D]

It was an inside job for sure.

[Rory Mall]

Somebody. Yeah, somebody at the hotel knew exactly.

[Baby D]

What was going on, what room she was in. Wait in the hallway. Wait in the staircase. She's on her way up. Jump out the staircase. Like, it had to be a lot of moving parts to pull out of in a Paris hotel. Any Paris hotel that Kim will be staying in is the best hotel in the city. Security cameras like, this ain't no rinky dink. Just like, yo, they ain't have no rooms available. Paris Fashion Week. I had to just find something.

[Josh]

No, Kim went on hotel tonight.

[Baby D]

Yeah, this is Kim's.

[Rory Mall]

I remember they were saying, it's so funny how people Think like, celebrities are like fucking political figures. They're like, oh, this. This was a ploy. Like, she set this up. She set her. Like, this isn't real. This isn't. This is an insurance scam. I'm like, y'. All, celebrities are not yo people. Celebrities are not untouchable. They're people. And scam people can rob them. Like she got robbed. Bad things happen to rich people. I know y' all don't like to believe that, but bad things happen to rich people.

[Josh]

I mean, what do you should. I'm gonna read more into this. I gotta know what they did with the ring. Like, who do we think is going to buy the. The Lou jewelry that Israel Blue Netanyahu gotta have that sapphire.

[Baby D]

That is. That is.

[Josh]

What do you think a Saudi prince might.

[Baby D]

That is definitely like some wealthy collector that is going to be. Be purchasing it for sure.

[Josh]

But you can't. Like, are you gonna keep it in like a.

[Baby D]

You can't let nobody know you got it.

[Josh]

You can't let anyone know you have it.

[Baby D]

Let nobody know you. You own it.

[Josh]

But, you know, I was reading that they would. They could maybe melt everything down and sell it. But then I was like, what if.

[Baby D]

That was stolen and they just stole it back?

[Rory Mall]

Probably.

[Josh]

That's from the. Napoleon's estate. Went in there.

[Baby D]

Yeah, like, somebody. Listen, man, we need that back, man.

[Josh]

Yeah, I mean, listen, man, O.J.

[Rory Mall]

What size is them?

[Josh]

That's why he went to jail. He went to. He went to go steal his. His own jersey. Like, nah, give me my.

[Baby D]

I need that.

[Josh]

But that is kind of crazy, though. Like, Napoleon. That's like some of the oldest jewelry ever. And how they don't. They didn't.

[Baby D]

They don't catch them.

[Josh]

The fact they don't got air tags on this these days is hilarious to me. Like, how the. They don't got. They don't got Bluetooth on that crown.

[Baby D]

Hell no.

[Rory Mall]

They never thought nobody would steal it.

[Baby D]

That takes a lot of balls to go on the Louvre and just broad daylight and steal some shit, though. Yeah, that's. That's like, all right, we don't give a fuck. Like, we going to get this and we out of here. No worry now mall.

[Josh]

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[Baby D]

Very weird.

[Josh]

It's very, very strange. Especially in these day and ages when everyone tries to walk out on the check. Nah. Open your phone.

[Baby D]

You can send that right now.

[Josh]

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[Baby D]

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[Baby D]

I do say that. Rory.

[Josh]

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[Baby D]

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[Josh]

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[Josh]

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[Baby D]

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[Rory Mall]

Show, but in real life we're best.

[Josh]

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[Baby D]

That's not even possible.

[Josh]

Well, you're the only one that looks that much different.

[Baby D]

I look exactly the same.

[Josh]

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[Baby D]

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[Josh]

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[Rory Mall]

Sudden like someone like comes running up to me and it's Salma Hayek and she's like, you are my Ugly Betty. And I was like, what is she even talking about? Listen to Viva Betty as part of.

[Baby D]

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[Josh]

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[Baby D]

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[Josh]

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[Baby D]

Me and Tony bringing back Fireteam on.

[Josh]

Left 4 Dead 2 and we just gonna be going over some of the greats.

[Baby D]

Also in October we'll be talking about our favorite horror and Halloween movies and figure out why black people always gotta die first. The umbral reliquary invites any and all fooling brave enough to peruse its many curiosities.

[Josh]

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[Baby D]

And we will cap it off with Horror Movie Battle Royale, Jason versus Freddy Michael, My versus the Alien thing with the little Tongue Monster. October. We're doing it Halloween style. Listen to the Trap Nurse podcast from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast. Rory, you've been listening to music this week.

[Josh]

This weekend I didn't get a chance to listen to the TY$ album, which I want to this week. So when we're back on the next episode, I'll definitely give a proper review.

[Rory Mall]

You?

[Baby D]

I'VE been kind of like just glancing over albums. I'm sorry, but that Tam Impala album came out. I'm. I'm. I'm stuck. I can't. I can't stop. I can't turn it off.

[Josh]

I. With Tame Impala, I didn't even know they put out a new album. Am I that out of touch right now?

[Baby D]

If y' all not listening to this Tam Impala album, this is one of the best albums you're going to listen to in the past however many years. Without a doubt.

[Josh]

Okay. Is it better than the Slow Rush? Oh, yeah. I don't know, but it.

[Baby D]

This is the music on this, on this album. Incredible. Incredible. Deadbeat, the new Tame Impala album. I don't know. Again, I try to. I've listened to some of Davies Karma 4. Dropped like a couple joints on there, listen to some of the tie, but I just can't really get into those. I'm stuck on this Taming Paula album. Like, I'm really stuck. Like, I can't. I can't turn this shit off. I text like five people yesterday. They was just laughing like, yo, it's like I said, bro, I can't turn this shit off.

[Rory Mall]

I was hearing the same thing about Olivia Dean's album. I think that's what her name is. That was really good.

[Josh]

What do you think, like, Maul does when he listens to Tame Impala? That's what I'm interested in.

[Baby D]

It's music for anything on there. You can work out to this shit. You can cling to this shit. You can go for a walk with this plan. You can go for a drive. It's just that type of music. It's a little bit of EDM on there, like toward the end of the album, you know, it gets that energy, but. Right, but it's not, it's not, it's not like non palatable.

[Josh]

You can Slow rush. I don't know if I want edm, Tame, but I. I'm going to listen to it because I.

[Baby D]

With listen.

[Josh]

They're incredible.

[Baby D]

You are going to love this album. Like I'm you. No, no shoes and socks on.

[Josh]

As the Tyler Creator fan that we've been talking about, of course I would love this.

[Baby D]

Yes. This album, this Taming Pile album. Incredible.

[Rory Mall]

They're performing at Barclays two nights in a row. Next. Next Monday and Tuesday. Tuesday.

[Baby D]

I'm in there.

[Rory Mall]

Are you going?

[Baby D]

I'm in there.

[Rory Mall]

Well, I think. I think Monday is sold out. But Tuesday, October. I mean, Tuesday, October 28th, I can.

[Josh]

Only Do Monday down.

[Baby D]

We got to know somebody from team.

[Rory Mall]

I asked y' all if I knew someone from Brady and Monica. Y' all laugh me out the room. But Tame, y' all gotta connect.

[Josh]

Nobody laugh. We were just quiet because it kind of sucks that we don't know anyone that knows Ma or Brandy, whoever. We just. We've been asking to be connected with Ray J for the past, I don't know, six months, man.

[Baby D]

I gotta. I gotta see this Taming Play Paula show live. I have to. This album is incredible.

[Josh]

I'm sure we can find somebody at Barclays or some.

[Baby D]

We just go.

[Josh]

Some agent. We can figure out what.

[Baby D]

We'll just show up, man.

[Josh]

We'll just show up. I don't think that's how it, like, works at the Barclays Center.

[Baby D]

Like, we'll just show up. Yeah, we'll just show up. Peach, get the laminates going. You know how we do. Get us right in there.

[Josh]

All right, let's start googling what the Tame AA passes look like.

[Baby D]

Yeah, bro, this is. This. This album. Y' all gonna with it? I definitely gonna with it. Like, I. I could. I'm trying to, like, turn it off and get into other albums that came out. It's the music on this Taming Pile album is just so incredible. It's like you don't want to listen to nothing else. That's what it is. When music is as good as this, it's hard to listen to other projects because just the level of the music is totally different. But, you know, shout out to everybody else that dropped. I did hear a couple of joints, like I said, on Karma form that I liked off today. So shout out to Davies dropping Karma.

[Josh]

For DJ Premier and Ransom. Amazing Graces put out their. Their first single because they're putting out a full tape together, which I. I can't wait for. But, yeah, the first record is Fire.

[Baby D]

Still waiting on our guys, Alchemist and Hit Boy.

[Josh]

They. I mean, they put out the trailer for the movie, so. Yeah, I can't wait for that to.

[Baby D]

Actually shout out to Al.

[Josh]

Also, don't. I didn't like how y' all skipped over last episode when I said if y' all heard Ice, Spice, Baddy, Baddie, like, y' all just skipped over and we just kind of like. And ended the conversation like, I didn't hear it yet. It's everywhere how you can't miss it.

[Baby D]

Is this the one where they say she has 6 million views in, like, 10 minutes? Yeah.

[Josh]

It's also the one where she says baddy Baddie. And she's showing her panty.

[Baby D]

She didn't mean to go pop.

[Rory Mall]

Ice Spice was good, man. All right.

[Josh]

She's very pretty.

[Baby D]

All right, baby D. You. You good?

[Josh]

Do I need some flowers here, or are we just going to continue to.

[Baby D]

You said she was on the clock.

[Josh]

Just focus on my flower.

[Rory Mall]

You said she was on the clock, and I actually think she's having a recent resurgence. I don't think she's on the clock at all.

[Josh]

I did say when she posted that photo of her ass in front of the Eiffel Tower, I said clock. Maybe I had this wrong, but now that I know the music's coming out, I'm putting the clock. Yeah, I'm hitting the clock on the chessboard.

[Rory Mall]

I think that Ice is going to go the young Miami route. She's gonna have to show a little bit more personality, but I think she's going to become more of an influencer than.

[Josh]

Oh, I thought you were about to say an artist. J Puff. When. When he got up.

[Rory Mall]

No, just more of a. More of an influencer than. I think the music will be background, kind of like Ruby Rose, but Ruby Rose is more like of girl, But I think it's going to lean heavier into, like, fashion brand deals. Like, I don't the music. Female rap is not selling like that anymore. However, shout out to Cardi because she is holding steady at number four on the Billboard charts.

[Josh]

Holding steady to me.

[Baby D]

Hey, yo. Nah, we got voicemails, though. I'm not doing this with the marriage today. I'm not holding steady. Don't tell me to hold steady. Steady.

[Rory Mall]

She's holding steady.

[Baby D]

I'm holding steady. What is this, the Titanic? No, hold steady.

[Rory Mall]

If you guys. If you guys pay attention to music, especially black music and black hip hop.

[Baby D]

And how it's performing black hip hop.

[Josh]

It'S more important.

[Rory Mall]

The jokes are more important.

[Josh]

I'm happy that Cardi is still doing great.

[Rory Mall]

Second, it's not a Cardi thing. I know I'm. This is not just me being a Cardi fan. Hip hop has not been performing that well when it comes to albums on the Billboard charts. So a hip hop album staying within the top is. That's a big thing.

[Josh]

I. No, I agree with you. We're just making some jokes, too.

[Rory Mall]

No, it's fine.

[Josh]

No, off in Ice Spice's influencer career, comparing her to young Miami and how. What I brought up with Sexy Red. Both of those people have personality.

[Rory Mall]

Yeah, that's.

[Josh]

Yeah. Like, I could see Ice Spice being in, like, campaigns and being like, a Model so sweet.

[Rory Mall]

The Sweetie route instead of the young Miami route. Don't make the joke. I know it's there. Just keep it in your throat.

[Baby D]

But why y' all feel like Ice Spice don't have personality? Keep it in your throat. You just told this grown man to do what? Keep it in his throat.

[Rory Mall]

Keep the joke in his throat, because.

[Baby D]

I know he's about to come up in your throat.

[Rory Mall]

Keep it in your throat.

[Josh]

Yo, I was just going to inquire. What do you mean mean by that?

[Rory Mall]

You know exactly what I mean.

[Josh]

What. What would the sweetie route be for?

[Rory Mall]

What you're saying was heavy brand deals. Every creative cool.

[Josh]

I just wanted you to be clear.

[Rory Mall]

Brand deals got okay.

[Baby D]

But then she have a. A Dunkin Donut brand deal already.

[Rory Mall]

Yeah, but. But there was a point. There was a point where Saweetie had a big deal, like McDonald's once a month. Like, it was like, it was insane.

[Josh]

But also, Sweetie's music was really relevant at that time, and Ice Spice music was really relevant when she got the Dunkin Don. And so it's going to take a few more Kansas City chief games, but, you know.

[Baby D]

But why do y' all feel like Ice Spice doesn't have personality?

[Rory Mall]

I don't.

[Josh]

To the degree that young Miami and Sexy Red do. I don't think so. Ice Spice is a cool Bronx chick. Sometimes that. That's not, like, she's more reserved and, like, quiet.

[Rory Mall]

She, like, we don't know how she is with her friends, right. When it comes to her outward personality of what she shows up Yung Miami from the very beginning has been like a personality. She was so big of a personality that she put her best friend on Santana, who is also now a big personality. It's just a natural thing. Sexyy Red is a big personality. It's a natural thing. Not everybody shows that to the public. Ice Spice might have it, but that's not her. Her public Persona, per se. I mean, like, nobody's run into a Ice Spice. I won't say nobody, but not as many people will run to an Ice Spice podcast. Like with Caresha, it was obvious that Karish Arisha needs a podcast because of her personality. You see what I'm saying?

[Josh]

Yeah, because, I mean, only. Only, like, only young. I mean, young Miami can win. Back to back bet.

[Rory Mall]

Let it go.

[Josh]

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[Baby D]

Can we listen to the. Can we watch the new video so I can hear the song and then we can come back in on this?

[Rory Mall]

Yeah, sure.

[Baby D]

She looks great, man. Ice Spice looks great. Yeah, she looks great. Like the record. So it's a nice little bop. She didn't even mean to go pop pop.

[Josh]

That's what I thought.

[Baby D]

She was just popping her. Yeah, I'm saying, like, yeah. Seen the door Dash deal brand at the end. You seen that baby D with the tea in the bag? What's tea?

[Josh]

So I went over my head, see you.

[Baby D]

Y' all don't even get the entendres with Ice. That's the problem.

[Josh]

What if Ice Spice was your door Dash delivery girl? Why you just open the door and it's. It's Spice just chilling right there. It's Isis right there.

[Baby D]

I would ask her like, yo, how long you been doing this, cuz? Like, you should be doing this beautiful. You don't need to do this like yourself. You don't need to be doing.

[Josh]

Talk to her like a stripper.

[Baby D]

Yeah, you shouldn't be doing this Ice.

[Josh]

That would be a good marketing thing to have ice spices. Get on. Get on those little scooters.

[Baby D]

Couple doordashes. Yeah, that'd be cool.

[Josh]

Get on a little bike.

[Baby D]

That's a cool little rollout.

[Josh]

Playing the record and just getting everyone's reaction. Like when. When you open the door, do we have voicemails?

[Baby D]

Mail sponsored by Boost Mobile.

[Rory Mall]

Right?

[Baby D]

Got you.

[Josh]

Ask him. Right? What's up, Pod? Hope you all are doing well.

[Baby D]

I'm actually calling with more of a music industry question for y'.

[Josh]

All.

[Baby D]

Okay, so as all of us have probably known by now, Taylor Swift has released her new album recently. Yes. And whenever Taylor releases a new album, all of a sudden the discourse of album variants comes into play, even though most major artists release multiple different variants of their albums, and it's crickets on the timeline. But then once Taylor does it now, there's this whole discourse about she's greedy and she hates her fans, blah, blah, blah. And I did see on Twitter that Russ was kind of defending her. And I'm. He made a really good point to me where he said, you know, if he decides to release merch or say new Rory Maul releases merch, and.

[Josh]

And they have a hoodie, but they.

[Baby D]

Have that hoodie in seven different colors. Is that now all of a sudden greedy, or is it just giving fans, you know, variety and giving fans what they want? No one's forcing them to buy seven hoodies. No one's forcing anybody to buy 10 different variants from Taylor Swift. So what are your guys opinions on album variants?

[Josh]

Are they a big deal?

[Baby D]

Is Twitter just blowing this up because Taylor's reached a level of shame? Where, where everybody's just trying to find a reason to tear her down. But yeah, what's your guys opinions on this? Thanks.

[Josh]

I mean he brought up the Russ tweet and that's what I was going to bring up as well. I, I agreed with what Russ said. If you have the ability to create a fan base that will buy multiple products from you, I don't think there's anything to condemn there. Like if you have that ability where they will be that die hard to spend their money to feed your fan base base that way. Like it's not feeding your fan base. But I'm never going to get mad at Taylor Swift being so good at creating a cult that they will buy multiple versions of the same album if that's what they want to do. I mean this is still America, right? They can do what they want with their money.

[Baby D]

Yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

[Rory Mall]

I, I agree. Now if you want feed your, feed your consumer. If you want to fight it on the basis of you feel like it's. It's skewing numbers when you release a deluxe, a deluxe deluxe and a deluxe deluxe, if you feel like it's skewing numbers, you want to argue that that's an argument that people have been having. I get that.

[Josh]

But skewing numbers, that's only become. Well, let me not say only become something recently, but it's heightened in social media stand culture as of late. Of course like once 50 and Kanye battled it out, that started the whole numbers talk for everything. But now it's to a whole different level level. Numbers don't matter to the world. Like it doesn't matter. Who cares if she manipulates the numbers there? Like what. That doesn't affect anyone's life except for this label in her.

[Rory Mall]

That's not. Well that's not true. I don't, I don't think that that's what she's doing or I don't care if that's what she's doing. But that's not true. You yourself this and this wasn't numbers manipulation. Your life changed because Tina Turner died before your album came out and you were not able to get the number one R B album which you would have had had Tina Turner not died in and people streamed her music and she beat you.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Rory Mall]

So granted Taylor's going number one anyway. But as far as just period on the overall scale of large artists manipulating things and releasing deluxes. Deluxes. Deluxes, where their album now keeps going back up to number One which may keep somebody else from getting a number one on a country chart or R and B chart or a Billboard 200. So that does affect other people.

[Josh]

Like, I get what I'm saying. I'm saying from the fan side, like, that's just become a stand. Like, it doesn't affect anyone's life. If Taylor Swift is manipulating now.

[Rory Mall]

Yeah.

[Josh]

If. If I'm an artist and in my contract with a major, I get a bump on an advance because if I hit a number one or. Or stipulations like that. Yeah, I'm be pissed. I mean, I wasn't mad at Tina Turner, but. But it would have been nice to. To say, hey, had number one. But again, it also didn't affect anything about that album. Like, the album got the same amount of strings that it would have had it been.

[Rory Mall]

Yeah, of course.

[Josh]

I think I ended up number three. It was two Tina Turner. Oh, yeah.

[Rory Mall]

Two Tina Turner. Yeah.

[Josh]

How I get a number three when I should have had number one? But I mean, yeah, I wasn't really mad at that. But I also am independent. Like, there's certain milestones that if I hit does. It doesn't affect what my deal will be.

[Rory Mall]

Yeah.

[Josh]

But to the fans that talk about all this, like, these numbers don't affect any of you.

[Rory Mall]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Like, I know it's cool. Like, if you're a barb to be like, I'm happy I can say Nikki has a number one. But if Nikki Mickey has a number two, pause, the album is still going to be the exact same to the consumer.

[Rory Mall]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Like, nothing is going to change because of the numbers. But Russ's point is, why the would you be mad at an artist that is utilizing their fan base? If y' all want to buy a bunch of do it.

[Rory Mall]

To play devil's advocate, because I agree with Russ. But to play devil's advocate, just to have a conversation, if the fan base is young kids, which Taylor does have a lot of, and her fan base, then you could say that you're manipulating a younger fan base to continue to spend money on your stuff, then I'm.

[Josh]

Gonna get on my Cameron Bill O'Reilly thing. That's the parents fault. If Amara comes and says, I want three versions of the same Taylor Swift album. Amara, you're getting one.

[Rory Mall]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Josh]

You're getting one of them now. I think there's a lot of swifties that are adults that have great jobs and however they want to spend their money, as long as it's not harming any anyone. Who are we to Judge anyone for that. We all buy weird shit. I was just talking about buying pussy. Like.

[Rory Mall]

Yeah, but. I mean. But me and you have had. We had an.

[Baby D]

Weird shit is hilarious.

[Rory Mall]

Me and you had a disagreement that we ended up cutting out of an episode. As far as when I said, you should start a Patreon, a personal Patreon, and then we talked about our own Patreon that we have as far as, like. And you were like, well, I feel bad having fans pay for things. And I said. And I said the exact same thing to you where I said, that's their fucking choice to spend their money. You're not holding a gun to their head. You're like, I feel like I'm asking them for money. And it's like, no, you're providing something, and either they find it valuable or not valuable, and it's up to them to spend their money on it.

[Josh]

Yeah, I mean, I guess I just view the consumer thing as what their, like, monthly overhead is. And, like, what we're asking, like, all right, this month, we're asking someone to pay for $20t here. We're releasing merch at this price. Oh, we also have live tickets on sale. Like, I think about those types of things. Things because I do care about our listeners, like, to just add more. Yeah, but that's. You weren't wrong in anything you were saying. It was like just more of a morality thing of, like, damn, I. Like, I don't. Do I want to ask them to spend another $10? Like, I know I should be.

[Rory Mall]

And that's what.

[Baby D]

You have morals.

[Rory Mall]

That's what the people are saying about Taylor Swift.

[Baby D]

Okay, but here she has no morals.

[Rory Mall]

No, they're saying that she's not considering the consumer.

[Baby D]

Or you're just doing what most celebrities or stars do.

[Rory Mall]

Like, people who.

[Baby D]

You're trying to find a way to. Yeah, you're trying to find a way to. You can't please everybody, but you want to try to please as many as you can. So maybe you can't get this album. Maybe you can't get this merch. Maybe you can't go to this live show, but somebody can. Somebody can go to this live show. Yeah, somebody can. Yeah.

[Josh]

Different options of that.

[Baby D]

Different options of things that you can buy and support your artist or, you know, whoever it is, is.

[Josh]

I think you're both right that you're.

[Baby D]

Supporting, but I don't think it's something that should be frowned upon. Now, I do get where that can kind of trip the numbers and things like that, but somebody Like Taylor Swift. That doesn't. She's Taylor Swift, bro. The numbers are going to be the numbers. No matter if she has one version of her album or 17 versions of albums, the numbers are going to be incredible. Like that's just what it is.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Rory Mall]

And.

[Josh]

And back to another conversation we had when we were talking about like the Billboard change, like the bundling rules with after what like Travis was doing and that entire thing. I never saw anything wrong with that either. I understand why Nikki was complaining about it because she felt like she should have had the number one. I get that. But I know artists up to Taylor Swift are getting fucked. They're getting manipulated by a label. You have to find other strategies to manipulate a system that's manipulating you. So yeah, of course I'm going to try to bundle something. Of course I'm going to try to sell different versions of this. I'm getting fucked over here anyways. This system is, if is not even designed to be an artist friendly system. I have to find new ways to do this, right? To make. Not to say Taylor Swift needs more money, but you know, just in general, for any artist we. It's not, it's tricking a system that's tricking the artists. That's why I was never mad when people did bundles. Travis. Hell yeah. You're great designer with your merch. You're a great artist. Like, yeah, work the system that's trying to work y' all already, right? I've never mad at that type of.

[Baby D]

Of no, you can't be mad at that.

[Josh]

So that's why I even love that like people care about vinyls. Again, just because I know that's gonna help so many artists because people will stream their music but also want to buy a collectible of the same. Like to me that's, that's cool for an artist.

[Baby D]

It's part of being a consumer, part of being a fan of the creator, the artist. Again, I get how some people like to have that argument about what it does for the numbers and things like that. And they feel like the artist is trying to play the numbers game. And again, even if that is what the artist is trying to do, what is the problem? You know, you're in the music business, you're in the business of selling music, selling products. So I mean, it is what it is.

[Josh]

And let's not act like fans and consumers aren't like, I mean, at least the nerdier ones like myself aren't like collectors. Like if I'm a hardcore Taylor Swift.

[Baby D]

Fan, you mean you're not.

[Josh]

Of course. Of course. I'm a swiftly.

[Baby D]

Okay, I'm just checking. I'm part of this.

[Josh]

I'm part of the 6 million sales.

[Baby D]

Yeah. You about to get your swifty car revoked real quick.

[Josh]

If I'm a hardcore Taylor Swift fan and I collect, I'm like, individual. Yeah. I'll buy three different color versions because, like, I like to collect things. I don't think there's anything wrong with it.

[Baby D]

No.

[Josh]

Now, if you're manipulating with, whether it be bots or behind the scenes, like with that, that's a whole separate conversation, but direct to consumer with a. A product. Nothing wrong with that.

[Baby D]

Not at all.

[Josh]

Sell it all if they'll buy it.

[Baby D]

If they buy it, I'm selling it.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Everything must go. Maybe even you.

[Josh]

Was that from next Friday?

[Baby D]

Must go. Maybe even you.

[Josh]

I know you won't buy. Would you. Would you sell your body? Because you said, if someone's buying.

[Baby D]

Would I sell my body?

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Nah, because it'll be a humbling thing. Like, when you see how much you go for in the market space, like how much you thought you would go for for and how much people are willing to pay, that's like a very humbling thing.

[Rory Mall]

So.

[Josh]

Yeah, no, yeah, I. I would do it, but I know that the price would like it.

[Baby D]

They try to get you a clearance. Rory be on the clearance, right?

[Josh]

Yo, your dick being on sale. They found my dick in a thrift store.

[Baby D]

Yeah, they like Salvation Army, I guess. Put that in the cart, man.

[Rory Mall]

Damn.

[Josh]

Wait, I'm the welfare cereal. Yeah. That's crazy. I don't even. I don't even want to guess.

[Baby D]

Would you. Would you get, like, a mold made of yourself instead to, like, what's the. What's like the big sex toy distributors?

[Rory Mall]

I don't know. Straight off the back of my head, but I could look it up.

[Josh]

Yeah. What's the Hasbro of that, like?

[Rory Mall]

Oh, definitely Adam and Eve.

[Baby D]

Adam and Eve. If Adam and Eve came to us and said, yo, we want to make the Rory Mall Bundle, it's like, wait, but nah.

[Josh]

Bundle means we're in the same pack.

[Baby D]

Yeah, it's like the Jordan. You know, the Jordan that come to in the case. Like, they kid.

[Josh]

That means, are dicks touching in the pack.

[Baby D]

No, no, no. Separate. It's separate packaging. It's separate packaging.

[Josh]

All right, cool. If it was a separate packages, yeah, I'm fine.

[Baby D]

But if Adam and Eva process and was like, yo, we want to do the Rory Mall Bundle, and we got to take a mold I wouldn't be opposing. They had to take a mold of our penis to sell it.

[Josh]

I don't think people would buy mine, but I would do it. It would be funny to me.

[Rory Mall]

You think people would buy malls?

[Josh]

I don't know. I've never seen a dick.

[Baby D]

Why you trying to make things.

[Josh]

I've seen my.

[Rory Mall]

I don't think people would buy mine. I'm like, you think they would buy. Like. Like, have some respect for yourself.

[Josh]

I've never seen Maul's dick. I've seen mine, okay? And I don't want to. I've seen mine. I know. Like, I've been in the sex door. Like, there's better options out there.

[Rory Mall]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Like, I've. I've walked past that aisle and like, oh, yeah, this isn't me.

[Rory Mall]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

I walked past the aisle like, who is that going in?

[Josh]

Like, well, there's a size for everyone.

[Baby D]

Who is that pointed. I thought that was for the door.

[Josh]

Dicky and a door stopper. You were saying, Damaris.

[Baby D]

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Baby D. You know what?

[Josh]

You said there was. There was other options. There's not just the big dick in the corner.

[Rory Mall]

Yeah. They have. Like, you could advertise. Like, you could be fanal.

[Baby D]

Baby D. Love.

[Josh]

Second, third time she love.

[Baby D]

You could be for a anal.

[Rory Mall]

All right. I tried to gas him up. He didn't want to be gassed up. So now sit there idle. I don't know.

[Baby D]

Yeah. If Adam and Eve approached us, though. I don't know. Old money ain't good money.

[Josh]

That might be good money, though.

[Rory Mall]

Yeah, that's great money.

[Baby D]

Take a mold of my and, like, put it on the shelf. Like, nah, that's peach. Would I ever. A fleshlight?

[Rory Mall]

He said, have you ever. He not said. He didn't say would. He said, have you ever?

[Josh]

I've never. That would feel so weird. I think.

[Baby D]

I think dudes that's into that would, like, a cor. Corpse.

[Rory Mall]

Now you're about to diss him.

[Josh]

I. I don't think you're wrong. Yeah.

[Baby D]

I think it's like, if I see. If you have, like, a Fleshlight, you just, like, climbing the ladder of, like, corpse.

[Josh]

You're on your way.

[Baby D]

Yeah, like, that's a Fleshlight. What is that? Like, why would you even the.

[Josh]

But like, the actual, like, with the ass. You definitely a dead person.

[Baby D]

If you. Bro, that is weird to me. I'm sorry. And I know you say, don't kink shame, Baby D, but that's. You walk in the dude's house. And your first time going to your boyfriend house and he go to the store and leave you alone, you know you're going through his. All of y' all do it, huh? Everyone, every woman can't wait to have that 30 minutes alone in a nigga house for the first time.

[Rory Mall]

Not true.

[Baby D]

You go through his. You open his closet, you go. Cause y' all need to know. Y' all go to the back of the closet. You go to the back of the closet and you see an Adam and Eve box and it's just like a torso. It's just ass and pussy.

[Josh]

But what if it was gifted too us, based on our deal with it?

[Baby D]

And then you look at it and you could tell it's been used. Cuz it's still a little oily. Like the cheeks have still got a little oil on it. He ain't washing. He didn't wash it thoroughly. So it's not like.

[Josh]

No, he been going to work on the streets.

[Baby D]

You can tell when you ain't there. Like he going. He going crazy on corpse, right? Do you mention it to him? Do you bring it up to him? Or do you act like you never saw it? I leave and never speak to him again.

[Rory Mall]

Well, hold on. I have a conversation.

[Baby D]

So you king shaming.

[Rory Mall]

If the con. The person that I'm not kink shaming. I just.

[Baby D]

Why you look leaving?

[Rory Mall]

Because not every kink is for me, but I would have a conversation with him and say, hey, how did you get this? Because it's some weird.

[Josh]

How did you get this, Amazon?

[Rory Mall]

It's the weird in my house.

[Baby D]

He bought a fake pussy with real money. These are idiots. You bought a fake with real money.

[Rory Mall]

There are some weird things in my house that I have been gifted because of this job. Y' all know we get sent some weird shit and some shit.

[Baby D]

I've just. We ain't never been gifted a flesh.

[Rory Mall]

Well, not that, but some shit we.

[Josh]

Have don't have here. Yeah, we have a fake somewhere in this office.

[Rory Mall]

Yeah, exactly.

[Baby D]

We were gifted that.

[Rory Mall]

No, I bought it from Amazon for one of our sketches. Okay, yeah, but sometimes people have weird on accident, like whatever. So I don't know, he could have said, yo, my homeboy left this here in my house as a joke. Like there could have been anything. So I would have a conversation with.

[Baby D]

No, but it's like it's, it's. It got oil on it.

[Rory Mall]

But I don't. There could be an explanation.

[Baby D]

Spank marks on it. Like he been spank. He been tearing that ass up There's.

[Josh]

A whole chunk of the ass missing. Like, he bit the cheek.

[Baby D]

The. The.

[Josh]

The.

[Baby D]

The. The. The corpse toy is. It's like he got red spots on it. He was spanking it. You're not gonna be like, yo, he's a weirdo.

[Rory Mall]

I'm going. The person that. The person that I am with, I will have a conversation with a random. It's my first time at a man house. And no, there's no. Really no conversation. I'm leaving before I'm next.

[Baby D]

I just never been that horny, man. I'm sorry.

[Rory Mall]

But, you know, some of your listeners might. So you don't want to offend them.

[Baby D]

Nobody should be that horny. And if you are, they should put you in the back of the prison.

[Josh]

Okay, Mall. What if she has that. That contraption that has the dildo but, like, that should look like it run on gas. Like, it has a stick and it moves.

[Baby D]

Oh, like the.

[Josh]

But she doesn't do. Only fan. She does. Like, it's not for work.

[Baby D]

Like, she just.

[Josh]

She just has that. That in her crib.

[Rory Mall]

You up, Peach?

[Baby D]

Yeah. That's too much.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Get a little vibrated this morning.

[Rory Mall]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Like, why you. The whole machinery. The machinery is you.

[Josh]

You filling something up with oil to. To get. Is kind of crazy.

[Rory Mall]

It is. It plugs in.

[Josh]

What type of batteries it takes, right?

[Baby D]

Maybe. How you got so much info on these contraptions and these?

[Rory Mall]

Because. Well, that's obvious. It's not. It doesn't run on oil. Like, I'm sorry.

[Baby D]

Y' all still have sex toy parties, like, where y' all have, like, parties where y' all just, like, somebody, like, one of your homegirls, like, has a bunch of sex toys for sale and stuff like that, and y' all just.

[Rory Mall]

Oh, my God. I forgot about those. I'm sure that didn't you go to a rose party that I didn't.

[Baby D]

It was the Rose Bowl. You went to the Baby D went to the Rose Bowl.

[Rory Mall]

For listeners who are new.

[Baby D]

And she won the rose title.

[Josh]

She held the trophy up at the end.

[Baby D]

All right, baby, I'm sorry. Go ahead.

[Rory Mall]

For listeners who are new, there was a thing going around on Tik Tok that they wanted to hold. Have a rose party where it was basically women. It was a circle jerk. Women sat in a circle and held the rose to their vagina and see who could last the longest without. Without coming from the rose, Right. So we had a clip that. That did pretty well where I said I was going to the rose party. It was a joke. But anyway, yes, people still have sex toy parties where they sell sex toys. I have not been to one since I was like, 18. But they still have them. It's like Mary Kay, but for dildos. Yeah, I mean, but for dildos.

[Baby D]

Ding dong Yong.

[Josh]

Wait, so it's like their brand? Like they're selling.

[Rory Mall]

No, they're like. It's kind of like what, like Avon?

[Baby D]

Like, it's like, you know, somebody just has a bunch of products and they sell them.

[Josh]

It's like the swap.

[Baby D]

Invite friends over. They like, oh, what's this? What does this do? And you kind of just like learn what all the toys do. And then if you want to, you know, try it on yourself. Try it on yourself.

[Josh]

There's like a dressing room.

[Baby D]

No, no, no. They do it right there in the living room.

[Rory Mall]

No, they don't. They do not do that. Well, I'm sure there's some that did. Anyone I've ever been to, they did not do that. It was just like, oh, okay. And you take it home and that's that.

[Baby D]

Nothing like a good circle jerk pause n clip that.

[Josh]

Start the episode with that.

[Rory Mall]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Oh, man. But yes, Taylor Swift. I'm not mad at her doing this with her album. You know, she has the ability to. To, you know, feed her fan base, and her fan base wants to consume anything that she puts out. Nothing wrong with that.

[Josh]

Yeah. Well, do we have any more voicemails? Or is that that it? This has been fun. We will see you guys.

[Baby D]

Very, very. Josh, you're getting better at Googling. I wouldn't give you that.

[Rory Mall]

I wouldn't.

[Baby D]

Just practice.

[Josh]

Just go home tonight. I feel like it's declining.

[Rory Mall]

Just.

[Baby D]

Just go home tonight, Josh, and just Google anything and try to get it right the first time.

[Josh]

Yo, Josh. Doing practice, practice, practice.

[Baby D]

Your Googles. Got to practice.

[Josh]

You know what, Josh? Tonight I'm going to just start texting you random topics. I just want to. I just got to see.

[Baby D]

How fast. How fast can you send it back? How fast?

[Josh]

Sit there with the watch.

[Baby D]

All right, we'll talk to y' all soon. Be safe, be blessed. I'm that. He's just Ginger. Peace.

[Rory Mall]

No worrying now.

[Josh]

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[Josh]

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[Baby D]

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[Rory Mall]

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