New Rory & Mal – Episode 416 “Sweet Tooth” (October 21, 2025)

Overview

This episode of "New Rory & Mal" dives into a characteristically wide range of topics with irreverence, laughter, and occasional hot takes. The crew launches with playful banter about "sweet tooths" (with more risqué and NSFW innuendo than candy), segues into a lively debate on paying for sex, discusses controversy around Tyler, The Creator’s old tweets and fan base, examines Brandy’s tour drama, celebrates thief folklore after a daring Louvre heist, explores the continued existence of old-school sex work, and closes with album talk and a spirited mailbag debate on Taylor Swift’s "album variants". Mixed throughout are signature moments: jokes, cultural observation, and an authentic connection to music culture today.

1. "Sweet Tooths": The $5,000 Weekend Dilemma

Timestamps: 02:15–05:02

• Segment Kicker: Starts light with the “I got a sweet tooth” hook and immediately veers into a discussion about paying for sex.
• Baby D and Josh debate whether they could pay for sex, riffing on morality, “chakras,” ancestors’ disappointment, and immediate regret.
• Mock-serious comparison emerges: “You telling me vagina costs $5,000 for the weekend? Mike don’t even,” says Baby D, connecting it to the price of classic Jordans (03:31).
• Verdict: it's not them, and anyone paying that will regret it.

“Imagine Maul attempting to buy p***y and look in the mirror and going, ‘Maul, this isn’t you.’” – Josh (03:03)

2. Tyler, The Creator Twitter Backlash & Fanbase Analysis

Timestamps: 07:38–27:27

a) Tyler’s Old Tweets Surface

• Tyler, The Creator gets backlash after a D’Angelo tribute tweet surfaces, which prompts deep-dive unearthings of his controversial, often anti-Black tweets from years ago.
• They read the tweets live, dissect meanings, and debate context versus harm (08:31–13:30).

“All of these things were... anti-Black even back then. That’s why it was shock value even back then.” – Rory (15:33)

b) Fanbase Dissection

• Argument on whether Tyler’s “white, shock-value skate kid” fanbase ever really respected Black art, or if critiques are fair.
• Multiple perspectives: some say Tyler’s early audience was always diverse; others say his tweets cultivated a very specific, predominantly white audience.
• Comparison to other artists who matured past youthful shock antics (e.g., Eminem).
• Mal notes changing public standards on social media over the last decade.
• Discussion on the impossibility of a Black hip-hop star not having white fans; differences between types of white fanbases (24:09–27:22).

“Just because Igor is light years above anything you were doing with Odd Future... doesn’t mean all the fans that loved that sh*t are now going to understand who you’re sampling.” – Josh (25:16)

3. Brandy Concert Drama: Dehydration or Sound Issues?

Timestamps: 34:32–39:13

• Recap of Brandy leaving stage during a Chicago concert, initial rumors of technical difficulties, and her subsequent statement about dehydration.
• Crew wonders about the real cause: technical or health?
• Connects the situation to the infamous Jay-Z & R. Kelly tour breakdown, expressing concern but also poking fun at musicians citing “hydraton” after public missteps.
• Noted: Brandy/Monica tour schedule is grueling—multiple consecutive nights likely increased the stress.

“If we see Mo and the girls, like Mo and the girls... If this goes from Brandy and Monica, the Boy Is Mine tour, to Mo and the girls, we gonna have to have another discussion.” – Baby D (37:32)

4. The Louvre Heist & Heist Culture

Timestamps: 49:22–55:14 & 58:00–59:47

• Enthusiastic admiration for a real-world Louvre jewel heist (“three guys in construction outfits during broad daylight”).
• Geek-out over "heist movies" (Ocean’s Eleven, Lupin), collectibility of stolen art, speculation on black-market buyers.
• Discussion about the “practice” and hierarchy of being a professional thief, and theory of insurance scams.
• Quick aside: Kim Kardashian’s Paris robbery is revisited; turns out elderly "grandpa robbers" were indicted in 2025.

“It’s so cool to know that those people exist... like there’s actual ninjas outside.” – Josh (52:19)

5. Old-School Sex Work Still Exists

Timestamps: 55:34–57:12

• Contemplates the persistence of street-based sex work despite the digital age, especially among older practitioners/newbies.
• Baby D and Rory reminisce about street culture, drones surveilling streetwalkers, and YouTube accounts devoted to “blade watching.”

“There are people who are older still selling, and there are older men who don’t know how to buy pussy online.” – Rory (56:10)

6. Music Talk – Tame Impala, New Releases, and Female Rap

Timestamps: 69:49–74:52

• Baby D is obsessed with the new Tame Impala album ("Deadbeat"): “I can’t turn it off!” (70:07)
• Other albums: Dave East’s “Karma 4”, Ty Dolla $ign’s new release, DJ Premier & Ransom's collaboration.
• Rory is eager to see Tame Impala live at Barclays.
• Brief mention of Ice Spice’s new single (and brand deals), SZA, and Cardi B’s ongoing chart performance.
• Some jokes about Ice Spice becoming more of an influencer than artist, comparing her career trajectory to Saweetie and Young Miami.

“If I’m a hardcore Taylor Swift fan and I collect...I’ll buy three different color versions [of a vinyl] because I like to collect things. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it.” – Josh (88:40)

7. Mailbag: Taylor Swift’s Album Variants & The Merch Debate

Timestamps: 79:04–89:13

• Caller asks if Taylor Swift is unfairly maligned for releasing multiple album variants versus other artists.
• Crew agrees with Russ’s take: it’s just giving fans options; let diehards choose if they want all versions.
• Josh: “Numbers don’t matter to the world...it doesn’t affect anyone’s life except for this label and her.” (81:53)
• Rory raises devil’s advocate for “manipulation” with younger fan bases, but Josh places responsibility on parents.
• General conclusion: All artists should work the system, especially since labels manipulate artists, and fans are collectors by nature.

8. Notable Quotes & Moments

Paying for Sex

• “5K for sex is crazy.” – Baby D (04:05)
• “The regret comes from you knowing your ancestors are looking at you like, ‘really?’” – Baby D (04:18)

Tyler, The Creator

• “He was known for shock value because there was shock. Because this shit was crazy in 2014.” – Rory (15:33)
• “Just because Igor is light years above anything you were doing with Odd Future...doesn’t mean all the fans that loved that are...gonna understand who you’re sampling.” – Josh (25:16)

Brandy Tour

• “I do hope Brandy is okay and she takes care of her. Obviously, we all love and support Brandy, and we want to see them have a great tour.” – Baby D (37:41)

Heist Hypemen

• “I like heist movies ... It’s so cool to know that those people exist, like there’s actual ninjas outside.” – Josh (52:22)

Sex Toy Realness & Merch Discussion

• “You bought a fake pussy with real money.” – Baby D (94:07)
• “Numbers don’t matter to the world. Who cares if she manipulates the numbers?” – Josh (81:53)

9. Additional Highlights

• Clarissa Shields’ Rap Freestyle: Crew jokes about the boxer’s rap debut, playfully ribbing delivery, all while acknowledging her authenticity and real-life energy (44:09–46:53).
• Merch, Patreon & Morals: Rory and Josh debate the ethics of asking fans to buy merch, subscribe to Patreon, etc., concluding that fans should have agency, as long as no one’s exploited (84:44–86:47).
• Sex Toy Parties & Kinks: A few minutes of NSFW but hilarious talk about sex toy parties, Fleshlights, and the limits of acceptable kinks in relationships (91:39–97:43).

10. Episode Tone & Takeaways

The banter is loose, NSFW, and dense with layered inside jokes and pop culture critique. The show’s value lies in the authenticity of host chemistry: ribbing each other, pushing cultural conversations forward, and balancing nostalgia with sharp-eyed perspective on music, fandom, and the realities of adulthood.

For New Listeners

You’ll leave this episode with a fresh take on music industry shenanigans, internet culture, the gray areas of artist controversy, and a snapshot of Black pop culture conversations—all delivered with humor and a lack of filter that has come to define New Rory & Mal.

This summary skips most advertisements and irrelevant intros/outros, focusing on episode highlights, conversational turns, and memorable commentary for the full advanced listener experience.