Episode 417 | Over/Under

Summary

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New Rory & MAL — Episode 417 | "Over/Under"

Release Date: October 24, 2025
Hosts: Rory, Mal (MAL), Damaris

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Episode Overview

This lively episode of New Rory & MAL weaves through the hosts’ signature blend of personal banter, hot takes, and uncensored humor—with an emphasis on the current NBA gambling scandal, personal anecdotes, and playful speculation on sports, music festivals, and relationships. From clowning on failed late-night hook-ups to pondering if Michael Jordan's new NBA coverage is AI-generated, the crew delivers both hilarity and insight, making for an engaging listen for sports fans and pop culture enthusiasts alike.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Studio Banter and Opening Laughs (02:30–05:45)

• The "Pickle Tickle" Story:
  Early on, Rory and Mal riff about Damaris refusing to let "Peach" upstairs after a late-night drop-off. She "dubbed" him despite the romantic gesture.

  • Notable Quote:
    • “You bring the key card, get your pickle tickled.” – Rory (04:00)

• Pre-Recording Rituals and Vibes:
  Jokes about coming in happy (“like, Maddox, like, happy to be here”) and trying to “get the morale going up.”

  • “I try to do that. Like, I try to, like, work myself up to be happy.” – Rory (02:46)

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2. Upcoming Plans & Hip-Hop Cruise Anticipation (07:30–14:05)

• Rock the Bells Hip-Hop Cruise:
  MAL is set to attend, marking his first cruise experience—a “hip-hop cruise” featuring acts like The LOX, The Brat, Juvenile, Lupe Fiasco, and Jazzy Jeff.

  • Playful Anxiety:
    • “International waters, Lupe Fiasco with a samurai sword... I’m petrified.” – Mal (09:28)
    • “He’ll probably be protecting the boat... it’ll be like Steven Seagal’s on the ship.” – Rory (09:31)
  • On-Boat Shenanigans:
    • Damaris: “Back that ass up on the cruise, you got to pull your own thong to the side.” (10:33)
    • Rory: “Keep your thongs centered.” (10:39)

• Other Festival Chat:
  Damaris is heading to Atlanta’s ONE Music Fest (Future, Jasmine Sullivan, Kehlani, Mary J. Blige, etc.), and the crew discusses which festivals have the best R&B/hip-hop lineups.

  • Mall expresses no love for Vegas festivals:
    • “Vegas is just—whoo. That city was designed to kill you... mentally, spiritually, financially.” – Rory (16:36)

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3. The NBA Gambling Scandal Deep Dive (17:00–31:34)

[Main Segment — 17:00–31:34]

• Breaking News:
  Hosts react live to news of NBA figures (Chauncey Billups, Damon Jones, Terry Rozier) being arrested for illegal gambling and sports rigging, reflecting on Gilbert Arenas’ public comments about cooperating with authorities.

  • Notable Quotes:
    • “I am not calling Gilbert Arenas a snitch. Gilbert Arenas said himself that he is snitching.” – Rory (19:51)
    • “Operation Nothing But Net has commenced. And you niggas is going to jail.” – Rory (19:59)
  • Mob Involvement & Insider Bets:
    • Breakdown of how insiders were cashing in: “...leaving the game early with an injury... those bets paid out tens of thousands...” (22:08)
    • “There are two separate indictments. The defendants leveraged their connections to place prop bets based on confidential insider information.” – Rory (20:48)

• Broader Implications:
  Discussion of inside information, point shaving, and integrating mafia connections with game outcomes.

  • Reflective Insight:
    • “This is going to get serious... This doesn’t surprise me. Once gambling became legal... it’s just more opportunity for players to throw games...” – Rory (23:03–26:18)
  • Questioning Integrity:
    • “Do you get rid of sports betting? That’s not happening.” – Rory (59:07)
    • “It changes the integrity, though... How much do we feel like our favorite players are not just pawns in a bigger thing?” – Rory (59:46)

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4. Michael Jordan: A.I., Gambling, and Legacy (43:51–50:11)

• NBC’s Jordan Halftime Segments:
  Rory speculates if Michael Jordan’s new NBA broadcasts are actually AI-generated.

  • Notable Quotes:
    • “I have a theory that... Michael Jordan is not real. That’s AI.” – Rory (44:32)
    • “It’s too clean. The makeup is... Look at Mike.” (46:38)
  • Debate over authenticity, logistics, and how the NBA still relies on MJ’s image to capture attention.

• Gambling and the Hall of Fame:
  Separation between players betting on themselves versus against, with the classic Pete Rose argument revisited:

  • “If you’ve done anything to jeopardize the integrity of the sport... that might get you kicked out of the Hall of Fame.” — Rory (37:52)
  • “But I do feel like Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame. Because he bet on himself.” — Mal (37:30)

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5. Over/Under: Sports, Hip-Hop, and Degenerate Gambling (36:13–52:01)

• Gambling on Anything:
  The guys riff on how bets now exist for anything—even how many times Taylor Swift will be shown at an NFL game:
  • “At what point if you are the cameraman at an NFL game, like... ‘One more time, man!’” – Mal (36:13)
  • Hip-Hop Bookmaking:
    • Speculation on “over/under” for album sales, reality show competitions (“Rhythm + Flow”), even Love Is Blind outcomes.

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6. Relationships & Lies: Throwback Stories (73:10–82:34)

• Listener Voicemail:
  D from Jersey, a cop, shares a wild burglary “cover story” involving infidelity and asks for the wildest lies the crew ever tried to get away with.
  • Notable Quotes:
    • “She ain’t even. Ain’t nothing missing. Like what? Other than a nut, nothing’s missing.” – Damaris (76:08)
  • Craziest Lies:
    • Rory: “I think we’ve all lied on—said one of our relatives died or something... but I do it with relatives that actually died.” (76:46)
    • Damaris: Classic “snowball gave me a hickey” story. (78:25–79:17)
  • Hickeys & High School:
    • “A hickey was like, yo, I just had sex.” – Rory (80:01)

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7. Real Talk: Dating "Bum Chicks" and Old Head Wisdom (52:31–57:15)

• Hilarious takes on dating partners without jobs or direction.
  • Mal: “Or have you ever let the bum chicken stay in your crib and it's cool for a week? And then you start realizing, like, she's not pursuing any options. You start talking to her like the unemployment office...” (53:41)
  • Rory: “That bum pussy hit sometimes, though.” (53:11)

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8. Betting Lines and Podcaster Prop Bets (86:41–88:18)

• Meta-Betting:
  The crew jokes about creating an underground podcast gambling ring, suggesting over/unders on things like Rory missing episodes or saying words wrong.
  • “I might throw a few pods.” – Mall (86:55)
  • Damaris: “If you into that serious betting, hit my line. Them betting bullshit. Put the house up.” (87:40)
  • “Let’s have the listeners and the viewers make up the podcast gambling stuff.” – Rory (87:18)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On NBA Scandal:

  • “This is Gilbert’s words... I'm snitching.” – Rory [19:09]
  • “You bring the key card, get your pickle tickled.” – Rory [04:00]

• On Cruises & Aunties:

  • “I'm excited to meet the aunties...” – Mall (11:16)
  • “Tell my aunties I said what's happening.” – Rory (11:20)

• On Michael Jordan:

  • “I think it's his likeness... I think that, you know, he answered those questions. Obviously, it's his real answers. But I don't know if this footage is real, Mike.” – Rory (46:18)
  • “He still got the yellow henny eyes, though.” – Mall (46:41)

• On Post-Hookup:

  • “That bum pussy hit sometimes, though.” – Rory (53:11)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Studio Banter & ‘Pickle Tickle’: [02:30–05:45]
• Rock the Bells/Upcoming Festivals: [07:30–14:05]
• NBA Gambling Scandal Discussion: [17:00–31:34]
• Michael Jordan: AI & Legacy: [43:51–50:11]
• Meta-Betting (Podcast Games): [86:41–88:18]
• Listener’s Wildest Lie Story: [73:10–82:34]

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Tone and Language

Raw, funny, irreverent, and candid as always—New Rory & MAL take a “barbershop talk” tone, not shying away from roasting each other or current headlines, while weaving in their POV as hip-hop fans and sports heads.

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For First-Time Listeners

Even without insider basketball knowledge, this episode is wildly entertaining—balancing current events with personal storytelling and conversational mischief. Whether you care about NBA investigations or just want to laugh at tales of late-night escapades, “Over/Under” offers a relatable peek at friendship, sports fandom, and the chaos of modern life.

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Transcript

[Damaris]

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[Mall]

Apply the volume.

[Rory]

No worry now Mo.

[Damaris]

You got some last night or something you came in here humming, singing, bouncing, dancing.

[Mall]

Don't ask him that question and not hit the clock.

[Rory]

Did I have sex last night?

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

No, I didn't have sex.

[Damaris]

You came in here like, Maddox, like, happy to be here.

[Rory]

I try to do that. Like, I try to, like, work myself.

[Mall]

Up to be happy.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

I told you depression is real. You tried to deny it.

[Rory]

No, I said depression was fake. You've never heard me say depression was fake. I'm not depressed, but I'm just saying, like, you know, you gotta do things. You just kind of get your.

[Mall]

Yeah. Get the morale going up. Yeah.

[Rory]

Friday. It's Friday.

[Mall]

That is true. That is true. All right, so mall had sex last night. Sponsored by Boost Mobile.

[Rory]

I wish I had sex last night.

[Mall]

You ain't have. You ain't booster.

[Rory]

Nah, man. She didn't want unlimited talk. Texting battle. I told her I had it for her. They would come to the house right now and give her the new iPhone. But she. She was. She wasn't going for that.

[Mall]

I know you'd be on your phone sometimes, focused on other stuff, but I always try to pay attention to Damaris and Peach, like, pre recording banter.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

I just overheard that Damaris dubbed Peach for a nightcap, left him at the front step.

[Damaris]

I didn't do that.

[Mall]

I come upstairs.

[Damaris]

I was on the. Well, the main reason was I was on FaceTime, and if I would have said, peach, you want to come upstairs for a second? And got off the phone, that would have been a whole other issue. But he bought me food in the card. He bought me his key card. Yeah.

[Rory]

So he bought you food or key card, and he couldn't come upstairs to get a little pickle tickle?

[Damaris]

Well, I would have, but he.

[Rory]

I'm sorry.

[Damaris]

All right, so pickle tickle was crazy.

[Rory]

So you didn't even.

[Mall]

That's how it works. I thought that.

[Rory]

Right. Yeah. You bring the key card. Get your pickle tickled. So you didn't let him upstairs because.

[Damaris]

Oh, he didn't try. He was like, all right, well, I guess, you know, it's awkward. He was confident.

[Mall]

Oh, he didn't have.

[Rory]

He wasn't confident. Peach. You got to step to your business, Peach. Yeah, you gotta let them know when you get to the door with the food. Like, listen, dessert is right here. Yeah, this is food. This is the. This is the entree. Dessert, though, let me know. I could deliver that, too.

[Mall]

Like, wow, she on FaceTime. Grab her phone, look at the dude, and be like, she's with me now. And hang Up.

[Rory]

Yeah, she. Yo, she's busy right now. She pull you back and they hang up peas, that's all. Damn, you left my man Peach outside.

[Damaris]

I mean. Yeah, you know, maybe next time, Peach. Next time you gotta come a little bit earlier. He came late night, it was like 11pm I'm like, I don't know what kind of girl you think I am?

[Mall]

PE 11 o' clock, he was on his way out. But PE should have seen the signs though, cuz the Maris has a key card. She asked him bring me a key card.

[Rory]

What you answered the do what you was wearing. Watch this.

[Damaris]

What I had on P.E.

[Rory]

What I had on P.E. you see how fast she forget what she had on?

[Mall]

She had on a little number.

[Rory]

Yeah, what number you had on three. What number was that last night, baby? D3. What did I have on number? And look at bees. He remember bees. What she had on. Little nightgown, little nighty, quick little robe.

[Damaris]

Over, you know, you throw the little robe.

[Mall]

Yeah, but you showed a little late so he knew what time.

[Rory]

Yeah, on the outside it's giving like, you know, respectful. Underneath though, it's party time underneath that robe. Party time, you know what's underneath that roll? Peach. Nah, he just wait for a little breeze to hit her.

[Mall]

And what's crazy is what the Maris need a key card for when Peach.

[Rory]

Is the first one at 11:00 clock at night. What you need a key card?

[Mall]

He just let you in the studio in the morning?

[Damaris]

I had a. I had a. A meeting today and I took it here, so I needed his key card.

[Rory]

Got you.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I was here. I've been here since 9:30am we're gonna.

[Mall]

Have to check the cameras.

[Rory]

Yeah, definitely gonna check the camera.

[Mall]

You was mean about our demise or something.

[Damaris]

Possibly you demising in our studio.

[Mall]

God damn.

[Rory]

In our studio is crazy.

[Damaris]

Yeah, like, oh yeah, when y' all take this down, I can put my up.

[Mall]

Yeah, little meetings be ruined pods.

[Damaris]

Oh, this is this the type of.

[Mall]

Day.

[Rory]

I already forgot to get on your ass about some you did on that live stream that I didn't know.

[Damaris]

Wait, what are you doing a live stream?

[Rory]

We'll talk about it off air. Oh, they told me about it though. It hit, it hit my. No, it was funny, but it was hilarious. It was hilarious, but it wasn't hilarious. Don't be doing that, man. We're trying to be mature.

[Mall]

Nah, that situation, the girl that's just a T shirt.

[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

I don't even know where to begin. What? What were we just talking?

[Rory]

A lot of happening, man.

[Damaris]

It's a lot going on.

[Rory]

Shout out to Miguel to Miguel episode is available now.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Shout out to Miguel album was available now as well.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Good conversation with Miguel, man. Yeah.

[Mall]

I mean, I didn't really like that you told him, like, out the gate on Mike that I was excited to talk to him. Like, I thought we were gonna keep that as a family.

[Rory]

Nah, you know, I gotta embarrass you on Mike. That's what. That's what bros are for. We gotta get the embarrassment directly.

[Mall]

Miguel was like, you know, he's excited to speak with you.

[Rory]

We can't contain himself. Yeah, no, you know, you gotta get that out the way. Make the embarrassment feel like, you know, it's okay. And then we get to the great conversation.

[Mall]

Yeah, but I thought. I thought it was a great convo. Yeah. And I'm interested to see what the feedback is on Miguel's album.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's a good album.

[Mall]

I like it a lot. But it's definitely a specific direction. I'm curious to see what his fans and other fans think of the direction.

[Rory]

I fuck with it.

[Mall]

But other than that, what are we doing this weekend?

[Rory]

Well, you're going away.

[Damaris]

I know.

[Mall]

I was just trying.

[Rory]

You're going to bring it up. You're going to get a 10. You're going to. You're going to. You're going to rock the boat. Rock the bells. Rock the boat. You see what I did there? No. All right. Don't worry. It's all good. I'm here.

[Mall]

I'm going to go rock.

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[Rory]

No, literally alone. I'm here all week alone. It'll just be me next week. Hope you guys already.

[Mall]

Well, don't do that. Because we did have this in, like, this really cool plan where Ma was going to take last week off and it was going to be the Rory cast for the week. And I'm leaving this coming week. And it was going to be the mall cast, but now it's just the mall cast. Yeah, you got to take a week off. So, like, you know, we can pay back the vacation time.

[Rory]

All right. Eventually I will. We go.

[Mall]

Well, I'm excited. Rock the Bell's cruise lineup is crazy. I've never. I've never been on a cruise.

[Rory]

This is dope, though. This is. This is kind of cool that this is your first. Your first cruise is like a hip hop cruise. We'll probably never see it again. Like, a lot is riding on this Cruise. Like the history, the leg, the legacy of hip hop. The. The. The future of hip hop. Having cruises lies on you guys. This week on the Rock the Bells cruise.

[Mall]

They did do one last year, and I watched all the. It looked really, really good. And from my understanding, they already playing next year's as well. This. This is great. Locks the brat Juvenile Lupe. All right. A little scared of running into Lupe at, like, breakfast.

[Rory]

Why is that?

[Mall]

You don't think they'll allow him to bring his swords, right?

[Rory]

Oh, yeah, he's got to cut up the watermelon.

[Damaris]

That's.

[Rory]

That's what. That's what Lupe. He'll be doing in the mornings.

[Mall]

I just. I remember one time Lupe called into the show and confused me with somebody else, and it sounded like he had beef. So I don't know if he's thus forgotten it, because I'm not that important in Lupe's life that he could see me and Trigger in his brain. I don't like this guy.

[Rory]

Yeah, I never understood that because you never said anything.

[Mall]

Only complimentary.

[Rory]

Yeah, crazy about it.

[Mall]

I found out he had me confused with somebody else.

[Rory]

Okay, but.

[Mall]

But not.

[Rory]

So you're good. Then you get on the boat.

[Mall]

International waters, Lupe fiasco with a samurai sword.

[Rory]

Yeah, I'm petrified. But, I mean, he'll probably just, you know, he'll be protecting the boat. It'll be like, Steven Seagal's on the ship with you. So just.

[Mall]

He'll be a pirate.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah. You've seen Under Siege, right?

[Mall]

Yeah, but some. Something about the concept of not being able to leave is kind of scary, but I'm excited.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's gonna be dope, man.

[Mall]

I'm very, very excited.

[Rory]

The locks on the boat. Dead Prez, Buckshot, Smith and Wesson. Very, very, very hip hop. But it should be cool, though.

[Mall]

I'm excited to sing every word to Nappy Roots. Po. Folks, front row.

[Rory]

Afion Crockett. Oh, Tony Robbins. Oh, man. Tony Robbins gonna be there. Yeah, Tony Robbins, one of the funniest dudes.

[Mall]

Jazzy Jeff's gonna be there.

[Rory]

Jazzy Jeff. That's gonna be a cool little. Yeah, that's a cool little cruise, though.

[Mall]

I'm excited.

[Rory]

That lineup and everybody's confirmed.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You know, some people back out and.

[Mall]

Well, I mean, I'll let you know.

[Rory]

When I get on the bus.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Mall]

All right.

[Rory]

Like, who didn't get their passport?

[Mall]

But you got to understand, like, in the Bahamas. Back that ass up with Juvenile and his whole band.

[Rory]

But that's always in the Bahamas. You know white people love. Back that ass up. Everybody's on every cruise.

[Mall]

It'll be live now, though.

[Rory]

Yeah, that. Now, that's the difference.

[Damaris]

Back that ass up on the cruise. You got to pull your own thong to the side.

[Rory]

Like, there's no way pulling your own thong to the side is.

[Mall]

You got it.

[Rory]

Like, you got to go out. This ain't this. Yo. This is just a party. We not in the room yet. Like, everybody relax. Keep your thongs centered.

[Mall]

What's funny is, if you want the dance floor, pulling the thong side won't change anything.

[Rory]

Oh, no, that'll change something. Let somebody put a thong to the side on the dance floor. See how much changes in that party? It's gonna be a whole lot of changing happening.

[Mall]

Is there, like, prison cells and on.

[Rory]

Boats, they have, like, rooms if, like.

[Mall]

They put you in a room. Like where they put Jack in Titanic. Yeah, yeah. No, actually, they just handcuff you all.

[Rory]

The way at the bottom. All the way at the bottom. If you start getting a little unruly and they can't control you. I mean, obviously security's on the boat as well. Yeah, they have. They have rooms dedicated for that.

[Mall]

Well, I'm excited to meet the aunties.

[Rory]

Oh, they're gonna be there.

[Mall]

They're gonna be there.

[Rory]

It's gonna be a lot of aunties. Tell my aunties I said what's happening?

[Mall]

For sure. But I'll try. If the. The WI fi works. Well, I'll try to, you know, call in.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Give you guys a little update.

[Rory]

Check in from. From the middle of the ocean.

[Mall]

Might even have ghosts with me.

[Rory]

Never know, man.

[Mall]

Just be me and Styles Peters. Listen, never know. You never know. On the rock.

[Rory]

Never.

[Mall]

But, I mean. Yeah. Do you have any. Anything planned? How do you want to go about this. This mall week?

[Rory]

I don't know. I might. I might make a call and have a friend come join me. Or just be. Just be me and Baby D. Okay.

[Mall]

Yeah, the plans I had for. For last week would have been good, but we'll table them.

[Rory]

Yeah, we can still do this.

[Mall]

We would have stirred some up, but it's cool. I mean, no growth.

[Rory]

Yo, you. What's up with you, man? That's. How you feeling?

[Mall]

Amara went to sleep at 6am and we had to be up at 7am for daycare. I'm delirious. 6am she would not sleep last night.

[Rory]

Oh, my God.

[Mall]

Fucking wild.

[Rory]

See, that's birth control for me. When I hear those stories, I buy more condoms.

[Damaris]

Nah, Because I just handcuff her to the crib or whatever y' all do and go to sleep. I'm going to sleep.

[Mall]

That doesn't.

[Rory]

Yeah, but that. I don't think she has children asleep that like. Yeah, no, I don't.

[Damaris]

She could be up as long as she want to. I'm going to sleep. She don't have a job. She'll nap at daycare. I me, the person with the job, going to sleep.

[Mall]

Okay, so if a 2 year old is restless and a little loud at night, you think handcuffing them would quiet them down. And you would not literally handcuffing.

[Damaris]

But yeah, not like, okay, you can run around as much as you want.

[Mall]

Boop.

[Damaris]

Lock you in this little right here. Going to bed.

[Rory]

Don't you give a little Benadryl?

[Mall]

Nah.

[Damaris]

Children's melatonin.

[Rory]

Children's melatonin.

[Mall]

I don't want her to start getting addicted to melatonin at to 2 years old.

[Damaris]

Addicting would mean if you were given a tour every night. Like just a night.

[Rory]

Like that night when you see it's midnight and she's still revved up. Oh, it's like, all right.

[Mall]

Running around.

[Rory]

It's like, all right, I know what you need tonight. Tonight you need that toning. Tone you down. You need to tone it down tonight. Put that right in her juice or something. Yeah, go ahead and sit there.

[Mall]

I was so tired. Daycare, we have like an app and they ask like etas and what they're having for lunch. I just put id. Idk. That was my reply to daycare this morning. On the app.

[Rory]

They actually what they asked you, like.

[Mall]

Eta drop off what they have for lunch, who's picking them up, what time, all that. I just put idk. That's all I had this morning, figuring it out. I'll get there when I get there. Yeah, but that is why I'm a little delirious today.

[Rory]

But it's okay. You're going on a cruise, man. You're going on a cruise. Bring your sunscreen, bring your long sleeve Under Armour T shirts. You know you need the long sleeve. I know you need the long sleeve dry fits. Rory pack nothing but long sleeve dry fits when he goes on vacation.

[Mall]

I hate that. He's right.

[Rory]

I'm in a new drive.

[Mall]

Last time I went to St Thomas Kia and I did the. The kayak snorkel thing.

[Rory]

Oh, God.

[Mall]

He was like, why are you putting on a long sleeve shirt? I was like, there won't be a tree in sight when we're out on that kayak. I can't find shade with a kayak.

[Rory]

Ah, man, put your long sleeve dry fit on. It's all good. What would you say, baby D, I.

[Damaris]

Was asking, did you want to come to Atlanta with me?

[Rory]

When you going to Atlanta?

[Damaris]

This weekend.

[Mall]

We outside.

[Rory]

What's popping in? Oh, you going to Oh1.

[Damaris]

It's one music fest.

[Rory]

Oh, that's this weekend.

[Damaris]

Future Jasmine, Sullivan, Kehlani, the Clips. D. Nice Ludacris. Like Mary J. Blige, the Roots. We outside.

[Rory]

I know. Oh, you about to go. You about to have a ball down there. You about to have two balls.

[Mall]

But she's going down there for the festival.

[Rory]

Oh, she gonna have a festival. I know she gonna have a festival, man.

[Damaris]

Is you rolling, you riding or you hiding?

[Rory]

I ain't going, man. I'm not going to the 1:1 music fit. That sounds like a dope lineup, though. Are they doing the. What's the other lineup? I like on the West coast with TD. Like R& B lineup.

[Damaris]

Oh, are you talking about Lights out?

[Rory]

Is that it? I feel like that's it.

[Damaris]

Is it her? It's probably hers.

[Mall]

Hers festival is Fire.

[Rory]

That's one of those. It's in. I think it's in the Bay.

[Mall]

Yeah, cuz she's from the Bay.

[Rory]

Catch one every year that, like, those lineups are crazy.

[Mall]

Yeah, her and I feel like we.

[Rory]

Never see clips from them for the. From those festivals.

[Mall]

True.

[Rory]

I feel like I've never seen a clip from that festival at all. Like, never.

[Mall]

It's. It's hers festival. The Blue Note and Roots Picnic that, like, have the three best. But her, like, never gets brought up in that conversation. It's like the best festival Vegas used to have.

[Damaris]

Day in Vegas had good Linus, but they always got never going to going on.

[Rory]

I'm never going to Vegas.

[Damaris]

We know mall.

[Rory]

I hate Vegas.

[Damaris]

We know. Mom.

[Mall]

What happened with. I forgot what it was called. It was like that R B fest that had like, the craziest lineup ever. It got canceled and then they ended up doing it the next year in Vegas. It was Lovers and Friends.

[Damaris]

Lovers and Friends.

[Mall]

Did that just end?

[Rory]

It was in Vegas.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

That's why it ended.

[Damaris]

That's what I was talking about. Why did I say day in Vegas? That's what I was talking about was Lovers and Friends.

[Mall]

Okay, but there also is a Day in Vegas. I think so.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but that wasn't what I meant.

[Rory]

I meant Lovers and Friends canceled in Vegas. Right. Trying to tell y'. All. Y' all think I'D just be up here freestyling. Something about Vegas. Vegas is like the black hole.

[Damaris]

They ran out of water. Pizza.

[Rory]

They ran out of water.

[Mall]

There's no water source in Vegas.

[Rory]

Vegas is just who. That city was designed to kill you.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Whether it's mentally, spiritually, financially. That city was designed to kill you.

[Mall]

It was. It was designed and created by the people that were indicted today.

[Rory]

Exactly. And we're going to get into that. We're going to get into the snitches and the rats and everybody else.

[Damaris]

What happened?

[Rory]

What happened? Oh, you just open your phone.

[Damaris]

I seen you guys send something to the group, chat about the NBA, but I don't know. I'm just a girl. I don't know what's going on.

[Rory]

The NBA. No bets allowed. It's about to be some shit.

[Damaris]

No bets allowed.

[Rory]

No bets allowed. I'm telling you. But I always listen, bro. When they made gambling legal, and they even started having, like, you know, the logos with the logos on, like, uniforms. And, you know, if you're watching the game of tv, they even have it where they could put the logo on the court that's not really on the court. Only people on TV could see, like, they started doing shit like that. You gotta know that the guys behind these things are in business together. You have to. Which means now the people that are a part of it, they're gonna be approached with conversations and opportunities to make a little extra money on the side. If, you know, if you're a coach, if you're a player, if you can make an extra 6,7 million that nobody knows about, you probably gonna take that opportunity for sure. And lo and behold, today we open our phone. But this is just a trickle now. Cause if you remember, Gilbert Arenas was arrested a few months ago by the FBI for running illegal poker games and things like that. Now, I'm not calling Gilbert a snitch, but he did say out his mouth. He didn't snitch yet, but I will. Those are Gilbert words. If I'm Josh, maybe you can pull it up. I believe verbatim he said, I didn't snitch yet. I didn't cooperate, but I will. So now, today, we have Damon Jones being arrested. We have Chauncey Billups being arrested. We have Terry Rozier, whose situation is separate, but it's still a gambling arrest as well.

[Mall]

Nah, man.

[Rory]

How many.

[Mall]

Gilbert was at those court steps smiling ear to ear when he left his indictment.

[Rory]

Yeah, because Gilbert is probably like, listen, I'm not the big fish. I know what y' all want here? Y' all want. Y' all want the big guy? That's not me. Yeah, I was gambling. I was running poker games. You know, it wasn't. I owned the house. But, you know. And this is what Gilbert said. He won't be worried. Good luck in court. I'm pretty sure I ain't gonna be there when it start. When it's starting to go. Cause, yeah, I'm snitching.

[Mall]

Now.

[Rory]

This is Gilbert's words.

[Mall]

They had said this. This investigation has been going on for quite some time.

[Rory]

Yeah. As long as Gilbert got arrested. Arrested, it was more investigation. He put it on himself. He said, I'm not gonna be there. Pull it up again, Josh. I don't wanna misquote the great Gilbert Arenas. He said, I'm not gonna be there when it starts going. When it's starting to go. Cause I'm snitching. That's what he said. I'm pretty sure I ain't gonna be there when it's starting to go. It's going, Rory, we got the text, the messages today. Cause, yeah, I'm snitching. You can see that at the 9 minute, 20 second mark, if you want. I am not calling Gilbert Arenas a snitch. Gilbert Arenas said himself that he is snitching.

[Mall]

Yes.

[Rory]

So there you go.

[Mall]

Do you think that's why the FBI called this operation Nothing But Net?

[Rory]

Have you ever seen Gilbert shot?

[Mall]

Have you ever seen Gilbert joke. I'm reading it.

[Rory]

Have you ever seen Gilbert shoot the ball? Pure shooter, barely touched the rim. Nothing but. Operation Nothing But Net has commenced. And you niggas is going to jail. Adam Silver, I'm pretty sure they're going to be knocking on your door soon, fam.

[Mall]

Of course, the one year that it. It might be the Knicks turn to finally go all the way. I think we're going to get a lockout. Not by the players, by the FBI. In a month like this could get really, really, really bad for them.

[Rory]

Oh, it's gonna get so current. NBA play. Current and former NBA players and coaches Chauncey Billups, Terry Rosie and Damon Jones have been arrested. This was an illegal gambling and sports rigging operation that spanned years. So this ain't something that they just started investigating and, you know, they've been looking at this.

[Mall]

Gilbert just connected the dots.

[Rory]

Well, he was the first chip that they grabbed that we know of. That was the public figure that we would know years. Across 11 states in total, 30 individuals have been arrested, 13 mafia members. The case involves La Costa Nostra charges include illegal gambling, wire fraud, and extortion. There are two separate indictments. The defendants leverage their connections to place prop bets based on confidential insider information, winning tens of thousands of dollars per bet.

[Mall]

Mm. There was, There was another article, and it wasn't like the greatest source, but one of the Damon Jones they say in the paperwork was talking about LeBron's injury. Like LeBron isn't. Not that LeBron did anything wrong, but apparently he's in the paperwork that Damon Jones was just letting. Letting the Mob know about LeBron's ankle.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's inside information.

[Mall]

It's. Yeah, shaking points. It's all this.

[Rory]

And then you go. The FBI says the NBA player Terry Rosier told the defendants that he was going to leave a game early on March 23, 2023, with an injury. The defendants then placed more than 200,000 of wages on the unders for his prop bets. With Rosie leaving the game after nine minutes, those bets paid out tens of thousands of dollars in profits and the defendants and Rosie counted the money at his house.

[Mall]

Duh.

[Rory]

Did you see, did you see the movie? Did you see where Scorsese at? Scorsese is having a ball reading all of this?

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Get the red camera, Scorsese. Cause this is a movie.

[Mall]

Charlotte Hornets, Trailblazers, Lakers and Raptors are all involved with it. I mean, did you see the compilation of cherry throwing games?

[Rory]

Listen, man, I'm not trying to start nothing, but I will say the other day during the Lakers game, LeBron looked very, very. I don't know, he had this look on his face the whole time on the bench. He wasn't even looking at the game.

[Mall]

He.

[Rory]

He was looking straight into the crowd at the Bonannos.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, I don't know, man. I, I think that, you know, a lot of players know what's happening, what's going on behind the scenes and we joking and, and it Having last Rory. But this is going to get. I mean, it already is, but this is going to get very soon.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah, no, this is. Everyone's fucked in this.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

This is going to get serious.

[Mall]

And I mean, we was joking about the, the Gilbert thing, but if you don't think Chauncey Billups and the rest of them are going to have the same mentality, like these aren't like street guys that have a code of like they're gonna tell everything. This is gonna continue to get worse. Yeah, more names gonna come out. But I mean, down to the point shaving, Chauncey Billups was involved with the Mob with the shuffling machines that. Red cards in the deck. And then they relayed the information to an off site operator that they called the quarterback, then sent the information to someone at the table. And this is why I never, like, fucked with gambling spots like that. Like the underground gambling spots, like, in the house. Like, there's no way this is not rigged somehow. Already at the casino, you're fucked. But there's no regulation here. Think I trust the mob.

[Rory]

This is interesting because this is all right. This is the NBA we talking about. I feel like it's easier to kind of throw games in other sports, like, say, baseball. Like, it's easier for me as a hitter to go up there and just keep whiffing at fucking, like, bad pitches.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like on the basketball court, like, if I'm just turning that shit over, dribbling that shit off my foot, like, it's like, all right, bro, what the fuck is he doing? And they pulled up Rozier's highlights or what they think one game that he was throwing, that was the most obvious shit. That was the most. That's what I'm saying. In basketball, it's a little more noticeable. In baseball, if I'm a hitter and I'm just like, yo, I'm gonna go, oh, for four tonight. That's. That's hard for y' all to pick up on. I could just be up there just swinging that. And it's like, bro, I'm just having an off night. I'm just not hitting the ball. But look at Rosie, he throwing that. Look at this. Watch this. Watch this. This one is crazy.

[Mall]

This is the one. He starts running back before he even threw the pass.

[Damaris]

Yo, I'm crying.

[Mall]

He was so happy when that went in.

[Rory]

Look at this. That pass was crazy.

[Mall]

But I feel like you could at least purposely miss a lot of shots and it wouldn't look that crazy. This is just blatant.

[Rory]

This is crazy.

[Damaris]

Yo, that's.

[Rory]

Whatever. Take me through there. Take me through. There's so much money. He like, man, this basketball.

[Mall]

The hilarious part was the.

[Rory]

Come on.

[Mall]

The announcers were like, rough night for Terry. Anytime. I was like, this is the most obvious thing ever.

[Rory]

Yeah, this is. This is gonna get bad. Obviously, the FBI is still investigating. We just got to wait and see who else, man. I think more players are going to be called into that room and more players are going to cooperate. Yeah, but this is going to get bad again. This doesn't surprise me. Once gambling became legal, I mean, one of the first things I thought was, all right, so now, you know, it's just more opportunity for players to throw games, be involved in it. You know, me and my friends used to joke all the time, like, I got a lot of friends that played in the NBA. They're like, yo, why don't you just call him and tell him not to get six rebounds tonight? I'm like, yo, y' all joking. But that's how easy and simple it really is.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, yo, bro, listen, man, just go. Just don't get six rebounds tonight. You can do everything else. Don't grab six boards. I'm gonna get this quick. 10, 20 K. We good. This is the result of things like that.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And, you know, unfortunately, now a lot of players are gonna have to answer to this. A lot of, you know, coaches, GMs. I'm sure it's gonna be. It's gonna be a lot of people like that. We start seeing getting arrested and being questioned behind this whole thing. I think this is just the start of it.

[Mall]

I mean, but even with that, like, I assume how they. I'm just guessing how they even got involved with the mob was they had some type of gambling debt with them. Cause to your point, why wouldn't. Because gambling's legal now. Why wouldn't you just go off to parlays that you could easily control rather than with. With the mob to do this?

[Rory]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Mall]

Like that. That to me, is the craziest part. Like, they must have been so deep in debt that they were doing it this way. Because we all assume that there's plenty of players that do exactly what you just said. But it's.

[Rory]

Sure.

[Mall]

But it's through legal, even though that's illegal legal gambling off those parlays. But this, like, how you. How you even get involved with this? If you're Chauncey Billups, like, as a.

[Rory]

Coach, you know, you take a guy out, if you see he's approaching.

[Mall]

No, I'm saying to even get in. In bed with or owe people this type of stuff, like throwing games, because.

[Rory]

You owe them underground gambling spots, man. Y' all gambling at the house. You know, I might have lost a million. I'm like, shit, I need some of that back. All right, well, tomorrow, go out there and don't let your point guard score 20. Tomorrow, pull him out the game. It's that simple. It starts going. Trickling into that. And now you in bed with them. Now it's like, all right, now you part of it. And here comes the FBI investigation. Years later, you thinking it was just over with. It was Just that one time. Nah, man. All of this is gonna be uncovered. So that's what I'm saying. This is something that I think is gonna. A lot of players. I'm not gonna lie. Seeing Chauncey Billups involved with this, kind of like, I was surprised to see his name. Yeah, he wasn't somebody I expected to be involved at all, but here we are.

[Mall]

Yeah, there's a lot of NBA players stepping on their phones and erasing their icloud.

[Damaris]

Step on their phones is funny as fuck.

[Rory]

What else? Gilbert? You know what other verses Gilbert lay out?

[Mall]

Gilbert the Bull.

[Rory]

I mean, Gilbert might be in the booth right now, you know, giving him a 16, letting them know what happened was really going on. Listen, again, this is Gilbert saying he would do this. I'm not putting this on Gilbert Arenas. He said he was. He would snitch, not me.

[Mall]

I mean, what was the. Can we look up the referee that was caught? Tim. Tim Donny, if I remember correctly.

[Rory]

What's his Twitter?

[Mall]

Didn't he.

[Rory]

Let's see what he's talking about today.

[Mall]

Didn't he say in an interview that he believed every single ref was involved with some form of gambling or point shaving decisions? Every ref in the NBA. And we just skipped over that. Listen, man, every ref in the NBA, which is. I mean, that's kind of nuts, but I'm sure it's a large majority. No, he was straight up saying that they. They're all involved. Like, he's not the only one here.

[Rory]

Yeah, he's not. He's definitely not the only one. You can't be the only one in a. In a league that big, with that many games, on however many nights. You not the only one, bro. Yeah, there's no way. You definitely not the only one.

[Mall]

No, he.

[Rory]

Steve Jarvis. Look, they got a picture of Steve Jarvey up there, but that's not. But listen, man, we go back to. You got players like Chris Paul who say every time Steve Jarvis ref one of his games. Scott Foster. I'm sorry, Scott Foster. I didn't put that on Steve Jarvis. Scott Foster. Chris Paul said that. He said, yo, every time he refs one of my games, it's like I get thrown out. I get this, I get that. So you got it. Sounds crazy, but even things like that affect a bet. A player getting ejected, picking up two quick technical fouls, picking up quick personal fouls. Gotta sit out the whole first half. Like, we sit here and we just watch games and thinking like, yo, the ref just made a bad call. Okay, but why did he make that bad call? That could be a loaded call. That could be a million dollar bad call he just made.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You know what I'm saying? We don't think about it like that, but essentially that's exactly what all of this is gonna end up showing us. Like little things like that that kind of dictate the game and affect the game in whatever way. While it looks little to us, a turnover doesn't look that bad to us in the third quarter. Yeah, but at the end of the night somebody had a bet placed on that in, in, in the over and under in the score and the money line and things like all of those little things add up to a bigger picture. And this is part of the bigger picture.

[Mall]

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[Rory]

You're my thoughts again.

[Mall]

Yeah, listen man, weeks you've been thinking about this, but ever you also thinking about the traffic on the way there.

[Rory]

I think about that all the time.

[Mall]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

And I mean, how far does the, the rabbit hole go with the gambling thing? Because outside of like the regular sports parlay stuff and that, they got sites that say how many times Taylor Swift is going to be shown in the booth at a Kansas City Chiefs game? Like there's an over under for that. And at what point if you are the cameraman at an NFL game, man, like when the producers sees all the screens and was just like one more time, man, listen, was it six times?

[Rory]

Listen, we joking and talking.

[Mall]

Two more in the second quarter.

[Rory]

Listen, we joking and talking. But that's, that's real.

[Mall]

Because they come up with the, the craziest things on those sites.

[Rory]

That's real.

[Mall]

As far as that goes.

[Rory]

Like something like that. I'm not. Listen, that doesn't affect the game on the field. So something like that is like, you know, that's just like a cameraman, you know, trying to just make a little whatever on field. Anything that interrupts the game or disturbs the game, like the integrity of the game. Back to your question of should you be kicked out of the hall of Fame if you're in? I think so. I think if you've done anything to jeopardize the integrity of the sport, to jeopardize the outcome of any game, that whether you were involved in it or not, just the sport, I think that that is something to look at and be like, that might get you kicked out of the hall of Fame.

[Mall]

I, I agree with you, but I do feel like Pete Rose should be in the hall of Fame. Because he bet on himself. Like, he wasn't betting against the Reds.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Where he could really jeopardize. He. He was confident. His team was, like, putting this down.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

So to me, that's fine. If you want to bet on yourself, I think that should be cool. But against yourself. Yeah.

[Rory]

But bet on yourself to perform or underperform because.

[Mall]

Well, on the Reds to win.

[Rory]

Okay. Yeah.

[Mall]

Which to me is cool. I mean, I get it. You. You can't have a gray area there. If you gamble, you gamble, you out.

[Rory]

I get that.

[Mall]

But with gambling being legal now and those rules being a little gray, I. I think only if you bet to affect the game negatively. Like if you throw. If you're throwing a game. Yeah. Get the. Out of the hall of Fame. But where do you draw the line with the steroid thing? Because I think Barry Bond should be in there. To me, that's affecting the game.

[Rory]

Yeah, no, it is, but it's still.

[Mall]

You still should be in the hall of Fame. I don't think there should be an asterisk there.

[Rory]

But it has to be an asterisk, because the playing field is not. Even if I'm on steroids and my opponents aren't, I already have an advantage. So that's where it kind of gets tricky. Because it's like, all right, if we can all take steroids, then cool. Cause it evens the field. But now when you get in the field, in the territory of. Okay, the playing field is. I have an advantage over all of my opponents. That's cheating.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

But I think everyone was taking steroids at that time.

[Rory]

I'm not gonna say everybody, but I do think a lot of people were.

[Mall]

Yeah. And I only bring up that point to this gambling shit. Cause if we end up finding out that for the past 20 years every player's been involved, then I don't think anyone should be kicked out.

[Rory]

The whole thing.

[Mall]

Everyone's doing it. That. That was the game at that time.

[Rory]

I know one thing. They better not put Michael Jeffrey Jordan and none of them investigations. I don't want to hear about Mike. Don't tell me Mike was.

[Mall]

Mike doesn't. Everyone knows Mike doesn't gamble. Huh?

[Rory]

He didn't serve. What, he served his time in aaa?

[Mall]

Baseball. He did six months with the White Sox.

[Rory]

Mike was not gambling on no NBA game. Ooh. He's gambling to win. Because that's all he did.

[Mall]

This thing.

[Rory]

Everyone knows that's all he did was win.

[Mall]

Everyone knows that Mike is a degenerate gambler. But Mike is also the biggest competitor of all time. Mike would never, ever bet against himself.

[Rory]

No.

[Mall]

So I think Mike bet. I think Mike bet on himself for sure. There's no way he did not put money down on his own games, for sure.

[Rory]

I don't think so, man. I think he's such a big. That would have came out. We would have been found out about that.

[Mall]

Yeah, that. That. Why do you think that he.

[Rory]

No, no, no. That was.

[Mall]

He changed his number.

[Rory]

No, no, no, no. That was. That was a conspiracy. I'm talking about. It would have come out as a fact that he bet on Bulls games already by now. He's been retired for almost 30 years. Like, are you kidding me? We would have been. We would have got that, like, black and white. We would have seen the transaction. We would know how much Mike made off of those bets. Like, by now, all of that would be out.

[Mall]

All right, man. We also saw a plane hit the Pentagon. Like, just because we're told that doesn't mean anything.

[Rory]

No, no, no, no.

[Mall]

Just because Mike came out and they were like, hey, that was just a rumor about the gambling thing. Now, Mike liked baseball that much.

[Rory]

I mean, that was his first sport that he played.

[Mall]

Yeah, no, of course.

[Rory]

Yeah. He likes bait, but it's not like he never played baseball. And he wanted to try it, and that would be awkward. Like, you never played baseball. Now you want to go try. He actually have childhood photos of him playing baseball. Like, that was the first sport he loved. I'm just saying, by now, if Michael Jordan had bet on himself and the Bulls to win. Because he ain't trying to lose. We know that. I'm saying there would be too many people involved in that. Somebody would have took a payday from somebody to sit down in front of somebody's camera to talk about that.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

And to prove that he did bet on Bulls games. We never got that. It's all been conspiracies. It's all been hearsay. Yo. Mike is a gambler. He gambles a bunch of money on golf, this, that, and the third. His dad was. You know, they even try to say his dad was killed because of a gambling debt. Like, all kind of dumb shit.

[Mall]

Yeah. And we know that was not the case at all. Those guys are in prison and admit to the whole shit had nothing to do with that. But Mike, gambling was the fucking reason he left the NBA.

[Rory]

If.

[Mall]

All right, if we thought Pat.

[Rory]

Boy, I couldn't beat him.

[Mall]

That's what it was.

[Rory]

He got bored.

[Mall]

If. If Pat Mahomes if we knew Pat Mahomes was a degenerate gambler, and today he was like, you know what? I love soccer. When I was 10, I'm gonna go join the LA Galaxy. You'd just be like, yeah, Pat's just. He's. He's passionate about soccer. You would think that maybe knowing he's the biggest degenerate gambler ever.

[Rory]

But why. Why you say degenerate, though? Why do you say Michael Jordan's a degenerate gambler?

[Mall]

I'm pretty sure he said he's.

[Rory]

I don't think Michael Jordan has ever left the gambling spot naked because they beat him out of his Rolex and his jeans he was wearing. Taking money from, like, the security guards.

[Mall]

At the United States.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, but that was like, quarters. That was just being competitive. That wasn't like. He was like, yo, bet me your fucking mortgage. It was shooting quarters against the wall. Like, are you kidding me? Like, he's just being competitive in anything that he did. But it wasn't like, you don't think.

[Mall]

That that's impulse of a degenerate gambler, that right before a playoff game, you just grab a security guard and be like, you want to play quarters against the wall?

[Rory]

If this is my security and this is what I do, I'm ready to go play ball. I'm ready to go compete. I'm a competitor. Yeah, yeah. I'm getting myself in that competitive zone of winning. I'm trying to win. Listen, this we talking about the greatest at what he did, however he had to do it to get his mind worked up and to get in that competitive mode, he did what he had to do. I'm just saying there's no sign of Jordan losing a fucking home and property because of his gambling losses. Like, that's when you look at somebody like, yo, he has a fucking problem. But if you just shooting quarters with your security guard at the fucking United center before, in the locker room before the game, and y' all just laughing and talking shit. That's how you loosen up. That's how you get into that zone. Shit, he went out there and fucking won.

[Mall]

I know. I'm saying he bet on himself. He still gambled to the point that I. I think Space Jam was a PR cleanup.

[Rory]

Wait, wait, what?

[Damaris]

Rory, you just saying anything.

[Mall]

In real life, he would have bet on the Monstars to beat him.

[Rory]

Oh, my God. Speaking of Mike, the NBA NBC is back this season, and NBC has hired or they have, you know, a series with Michael Jordan talking. Is it pregame halftime during Halftime of select games. Just talking about just the history of basketball and what it means to him and winning and things like that. And so the first one came out this week. He sat down with Mike Tirico, shouting out with Mike Tirico. And I have a theory. This is just a theory, Roy. You gave your theories, let me give my theory. I have a theory that that first episode and episodes after that we're seeing with Michael Jordan is not real. That's AI.

[Damaris]

Oh my Lord.

[Mall]

And I'm the one with the tinfoil hat.

[Rory]

I just have a feeling after this.

[Mall]

This gambling Rico that just happened, it'll be Mike on AI for sure now. I think it'll be AI Mike.

[Rory]

I'm just looking at it. I'm just, I'm just. And just looking at the interview. It's something about. It just felt like, I don't know, man. I think that they, I think they paid Mike for his likeness. I think they paid to use his likeness. They paid to, you know, they vetted the questions. They obviously send the questions. Mike answers them. But I don't think that he sat down on camera because if you're doing this for how many. Do they. Did they say how many games they're going to be doing this for?

[Mall]

Not that I.

[Rory]

This is just throughout the season.

[Mall]

Now it is possible you're saying that he just like pre recorded his voice and they put it on AI Mike. Like the way they use Snoop's voice and all eyes on me movie.

[Rory]

I'm saying that, I'm saying that the way they probably. This is just again, conspiracy. They could be doing it week by week, but they send Mike five questions every week wherever he is in the world. He answers them, he sends in his answers. They take his voice, they AI the image and they air it at halftime. I don't know why people think this is so far fetched to believe that this is not. We sat down and watched Drake and 21 Savage do a complete rollout with Howard Stern and those people. And nobody knew that that was AI and that was fake. One of the coolest rollouts ever for an album. So why can't NBC do it?

[Mall]

But they used real footage of Howard, if I remember correctly, right? And then it was real footage of them. What was AI about the 21 Savage? And like, didn't they just take Howard's question? I can't remember exactly what it was.

[Rory]

I don't even remember either. But I'm trying to land.

[Mall]

But you're saying, like, this is.

[Rory]

God damn it, I'm Trying to land my point.

[Mall]

Okay, I apologize.

[Rory]

Stepping on my point. I apologize. This is not Michael Jeffrey Jordan.

[Mall]

Let's bet on it.

[Rory]

I think it's his likeness. Let's fucking bet on it. I think it's his likeness. I think that, you know, he answered those questions. Obviously it's his real answers. But I don't know if this footage is real, Mike.

[Mall]

And now I see. I hate when someone says something and then you start. Your brain starts to see it. Yeah, it does look a little odd now.

[Rory]

It's too clean. The makeup is. Look at Mike.

[Mall]

He still got the yellow henny eyes, though.

[Rory]

Well, he can always. You can't AI those out. You got to keep it as authentic as possible.

[Mall]

Pg.

[Rory]

Gotta give him, you know how to cut the whiskey eye. You gotta give him a.

[Mall]

Can you just add a little yellow into them shits?

[Rory]

Look at Mike. Gray tan.

[Mall]

I hate that. Now that I'm looking at it, I kind of see what you're saying.

[Rory]

Look at the. Look at the back.

[Mall]

He don't even look real, though.

[Rory]

Yeah, Mike Tirico ain't never looked that st handsome.

[Mall]

But maybe it's just post production, like cleanup.

[Rory]

It is post production. It's called artificial intelligence.

[Mall]

But even then, with Mike's likeness, like, remember NBA Live? He was the only player. He was player number 99. Like, he wouldn't even sell his likeness to a video game.

[Rory]

I mean, he has since then, though. He's on. He's on 2K now.

[Mall]

All right.

[Rory]

He's on 2K.

[Mall]

No, no, I know. I'm just saying, how much would it cost for Jordan's likeness?

[Rory]

I don't know. I mean, he obviously has a relationship with NBC and the NBA. I think they were more than ecstatic for him to even agree to do this because Michael Jordan doesn't do a bunch of interviews. And it's dope to see it. I mean, the NBA. I love what Colin Coward had to say. The NBA does need. You know, it's a lack of superstars in the NBA right now. So they are trying to do things to make the game more interesting, to make, you know, get people to tune in. The fact that they're still using Michael Jordan for that to an extent, it's like it shows maybe how down bad they are trying to find the next superstar of the NBA. LeBron is older, Kevin Durant is older, Steph is older. So it's like the NBA is trying things, man. They're trying to keep the viewers entertained and keep them tuning in. But, yeah, this is a Theory. I just. Just a theory. I was watching this and I was just like. Cause I feel like we gotta question everything we see now.

[Mall]

I, I agree with you. But also, I feel like if Mike committed to this, he would just go do it. Like, what would really be the point of like just pre recording your shit and then doing the AI Like Mike would show up to do this because you.

[Rory]

Again, I don't know how long these are and how many he has to do, but asking Michael Jordan to sit down for an interview weekly, that costs a lot. Like this is not getting Michael Jordan to take time out his day weekly to sit down and do an interview now again, they could have paying the debt back.

[Mall]

Maybe he owes the NBA something.

[Rory]

They could have done this. They could have shot this. This could have been a two hour interview and they just chop it up three minutes throughout the season.

[Mall]

Yeah, I think it's gonna be.

[Rory]

But that's what I'm saying. I wanna, going forward, I just wanna keep an eye on how long these are. Does he change? Is he wearing the same thing?

[Damaris]

That don't mean nothing. Y' all done recorded three episodes and changed outfit three different times in one day.

[Rory]

Yeah, but that was for three episodes. He's gonna be doing this throughout the entire NBA season. I don't know how many games. I don't know how many. Like, I don't know that number yet. I'm thinking it's gonna be more than 30 games though.

[Mall]

Does he address what's going on in the NBA because he was an alleged gambler? Mike has to. The same way the fans put pressure on us that we have to talk about something when it happens, when it's related to us. Mike can't skip over the, the gambling NBA question if he's, if he's there weekly. No, we're not skipping over that, Mike.

[Rory]

I mean, he can't.

[Mall]

You signed up to talk, you have to address it.

[Rory]

You know what? I do want to see them act like that. And based on his answer, I'm gonna know if that's AI or not. Based on his answer, I'm gonna know. Like that. That ain't Michael Jeffrey. That's. That's A.I.

[Mall]

Man, I wish, I wish hip hop would get into this gambling space. Like the way we're talking that the.

[Rory]

Sites that have rappers don't gamble.

[Mall]

No, of course they gamble. I'm saying the way they have it on those websites where you can guess whose album's gonna be trash or just numbers wise. Like if I know for a fact a label's buying this many streams or this many bots or this that. Like I'm going to bet on those first week numbers because I got inside information.

[Rory]

You just throwing. Now you just throwing money away. I would never, I would never take that bet if I knew.

[Mall]

If I knew a label. Because you can somewhat project what an artist is going to sell based off their last project and what's currently happening. And I know how many streams they're trying to buy. Yeah, I'm betting on the over under of a first week sales for sure.

[Rory]

I just feel like I think there's no business. The only business I feel like is dirtier than the music business is boxing.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So the music business, they see everybody taking the over on this artist streaming this man. You think they not gonna hit that switch? Like, nah, man, that we ain't cashing out all these.

[Mall]

Oh, what I'm talking about is illegal. I. I know the switch. Sometimes when it flips, I want to bet on it. I want to make some money. Even they had who will win the Survivor? What was the Netflix show with Cardi, Chance and TI the rap game rhythm.

[Damaris]

And rhythm and flow. Yeah.

[Mall]

I knew D Smoke was gonna win before it went out. Like why can't I go on the site? And why is it rhythm and flow?

[Rory]

Okay. No, no, no, that's different. You talking about something that's pre recorded?

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Oh, no.

[Mall]

You don't think survivors pre recorded?

[Rory]

No, I'm talking about album sales. Betting on album sales streams.

[Mall]

Yeah. No, no, I'm just giving examples of what. Why hip hop's not on these types of sites. Because I want to capitalize on the.

[Rory]

Illegal something pre recorded. I would bet on the finale of Survivor. I wouldn't bet on that either. I don't trust none of these behind these cameras.

[Damaris]

I would have bet on Love is blind. Did anybody watch Love is Blind this season?

[Rory]

No, but I saw Clay trolling some couple other night on his ig.

[Damaris]

Oh my God. Yeah, he was wilding. I had to comment. I was like, clay, please stop. Please.

[Rory]

Why you gonna let Clay get his shit off?

[Damaris]

He was like, I raised my. My mother raised me and I fuck with Clay. But he was like, my mother raised me that a woman should be strong and independent and make her own money. And I shouldn't be with no bum. I shouldn't be with nobody. I shouldn't be paying for no bills or nothing. I don't want my daughter to grow up a bum. Why would I marry a bum? I'm like, oh, Clay.

[Rory]

I mean, marrying A bum is one thing, but, I mean, not taking care.

[Damaris]

Of your wife is a completely different thing.

[Rory]

I mean, you could take care of your wife, but you don't want your wife to be a bum either, though.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Clay has. Has shown that he, you know, deals with women that got their own.

[Damaris]

See, why you bringing up his past?

[Mall]

No, I'm. I'm proving his point. Like, he doesn't want to be with a bum. Selena is an entrepreneur.

[Rory]

That bum pussy hit sometimes, though.

[Mall]

Sometimes.

[Rory]

Well, she ain't got nowhere to go. She want rounds. She be in that. Like, I ain't leaving you ever. A whole Sunday from the time you wake up like, it's dark again and we still.

[Mall]

Or you.

[Rory]

You ain't got nothing to do. You ain't got to go home. You ain't got to check on no, like, word. We just, like, showering on Sunday. That's what's up. That's why I put.

[Mall]

Or have you ever let the bum chicken stay in your crib and it's cool for a week? And then you start realizing, like, she's not pursuing any options. You start talking to her like, the unemployment office, like, all right, give me three interviews that you've. You've had this week. You gotta apply for something.

[Rory]

She gets serious. When. Shorty been in your crib for a while, you like, you know, be cool. We vibing the first day you open your mailbox and see her name on some mail.

[Mall]

That's never happened. That's crazy. That's never happened.

[Rory]

That conversation when you get. When you get in, like, yo, you got this in here. Like. Like this. Trying to get squatter rights. We trying to get mail sent to my crib. So that water, right? So if I kick her out, she's like, yo, I've been getting this for three months. I've been getting mail. Yeah, I live here now. I know the. You know, listen, it'd be. It'd be a little like. Like, sweepstakes. Like, don't just be trying to get.

[Damaris]

Getting publishers clear out.

[Rory]

Like, don't go to the mall. Don't go to the kiosk at the mall and try to win the. The Kia. And. But give them my address. Like, get the out of here.

[Mall]

When the kids.

[Damaris]

Kia.

[Mall]

Oh, my God.

[Rory]

You trying to win a Kia. You got them mailing this to my house. Get the out of here.

[Mall]

You know what type of person you got to be to be at the mall trying to win the Kia?

[Rory]

That's what these chicks be doing.

[Mall]

These bum chicks and that same car's been there for 10 years. No one's winning.

[Rory]

Nobody's going to win that car, bro. Just keep walking. Go get your shoes.

[Mall]

Yo, I had one of my friends who is trying to be a truck driver in Jersey, but you have to be a Jersey resident to, like, do the truck driver school ask me if he could use my address. And I know he has active warrants.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's how they try to get you.

[Mall]

I was like, you really think that I'm going to allow you to put any type of mail. They're going to kick my door and try to find.

[Rory]

Definitely not happening.

[Damaris]

That's great.

[Mall]

I'm curious to see where this rabbit hole goes, because, again, you could bet on who wins the Survivor shit and you act like the producers don't have friends that they would tell.

[Rory]

Fuck that. Rory, who's winning the World Series? Let's get to the shit. The beef is back on. I don't know if y' all notice or not. Oh, God, it's back on. It's back on. We're not with it. They're not with it. It's back on. Rory, I couldn't wait to talk my Toronto Blue Jays versus the LA Dodgers, baby. D, who you got?

[Damaris]

Somebody set that up. That was rigged.

[Rory]

Oh, Tony, listen, bro. Tony did. You can't set that up. That shit that.

[Mall]

Clearly. Clearly. That whole NFL having a script thing is real now. I believe this was set up. I believe all this shit was set up. You think Yankees won the World series after 9, 11, then in the Patriots. The New England Patriots. Yeah, but we was all Patriots in 2001. All of a sudden, the Patriots fucking win.

[Rory]

Yeah, but Ohtani. What Ohtani did. You can't.

[Mall]

You can't.

[Rory]

There's no way you could create that. You can't make that up.

[Mall]

No, this is rigged.

[Rory]

No way. Hell, no.

[Damaris]

Ain't no way. Life ain't that coincidental.

[Mall]

This was rigged by. This is called Glasses Malone.

[Rory]

This is called Poetic justice is what this is called.

[Mall]

This is. This isn't going to change anything, no matter the results.

[Rory]

No, but it is fun to watch, though. It is going to be fun to watch.

[Mall]

I did laugh at Drake's clip when he posted the Blue Jays going to the the World Series saying, get them pizza and Cokes was way funnier than I think people gave it credits. Like, I actually laughed out, like, said, get them pizza and Cokes. I was like, oh, man, I don't know, man. I'm going for the Blue Jays just because, you know what the Dodgers did To us already. Like, I just. As a Yankee fan, I have to go for Toronto, even though they're in our fucking division and cooked us. The Dodgers really broke my heart last year. Like, it really, really broke my heart. When we got to the big show, I brought my dad. Like, yeah, I'm here for the Blue Jays.

[Rory]

I'm always one of those guys that whatever team beats my team when they win it all. I just. I find some pride in. Cause it's like, well, the champions beat us. Like, if you're gonna lose anybody lose to the champ.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So I do want to see. I mean, I would never vote for the. Want the Dodgers to win anything.

[Mall]

Voting for the Dodgers is fun.

[Rory]

Well, I would never want the Dodgers to win anyway. But, yeah, I do. I do have the Blue Jays, man. I think it's going six games, though.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

I see some people having the Dodgers in the sweep. I'm like, damn. I mean, y' all don't got the Blue Jays winning one game.

[Mall]

They almost did it to us. Yeah, we had. We had one game, but I don't know, do we get a Drake or Kendrick freestyle during this?

[Rory]

Freestyle?

[Mall]

Yeah, it's a little something. I don't know, a little quick 32 just to talk about the game.

[Rory]

Nah, but how many times do we hit? Not like us. When Ohtani comes to the plate, though.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah, they're gonna.

[Rory]

They're gonna run that one. Jesus Christ. We about to hear that song every at bat. P said he's not on the organ. Now batting. Turn this off.

[Mall]

What's fire? I like. I really think that would sound pretty cool on a baseball.

[Rory]

No, it would not.

[Mall]

It's actually set up perfectly for the baseball. Or.

[Rory]

Now batting, pitcher sh. Otani. Otani.

[Mall]

I mean, yeah.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah. Hey, Otani your ass. Why they can't catch him before the world get Jordan that. Oh, Toddi, they come it for your ass, too.

[Mall]

Chauncey about to drop the D. No, absolutely. This again. I think this is going to turn into some way crazier.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah.

[Mall]

They may cancel professional sports.

[Rory]

Yeah, I think. I think a lot. I'm telling. We laughing. We joking, man. But this. I think a lot is going to come out of this. And sports as a whole is going to be affected by this.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Because at one, at some point, they're going to say, yo, we can't control it. Like, players are going to gamble. People associated with the sports are going to gamble. Like, how do you control. Do you get rid of sports betting? That's not happening. They made what? 9 billion in one month. When they opened the betting app in New York. Because people used to have to go to cross the bridge and go to Jersey to place their bets as soon as they allowed you to bet in New York. I think the first month, they made something like almost $6 billion.

[Mall]

You're probably underselling how much they make, but even then, if you make gambling illegal again, the first time points were being shaved and all this was happening, gambling was illegal. So it's not like it's gonna change.

[Rory]

It changes the integrity, though.

[Damaris]

Rory.

[Rory]

How much do we love the game now? How much do we feel like our favorite players are not just pawns in a bigger thing? They're not our heroes no more. So I'm saying Ohtani's fucking incredible.

[Mall]

Should watch the Bronx still.

[Rory]

I'll. How much gambling Ohtani's doing? That motherfucker is incredible.

[Mall]

Listen, man, we got TV timeouts. You think there's integrity in the game?

[Rory]

Time out. Gotta pay some. Do it.

[Mall]

A TV.

[Rory]

Show.

[Mall]

Like, each team gets a certain amount of time out.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, but not a tv.

[Mall]

Just add up.

[Rory]

TV timeout is real.

[Mall]

It's over at that point.

[Rory]

Jesus Christ, man. Is anything sacred anymore? What's sacred, Rory?

[Mall]

What happens once they start adding, like, high school sports into this?

[Rory]

Anybody gambling on high school sports? You down bad, bro. Like, you just all the way.

[Mall]

You need the money.

[Damaris]

Too bad, baby.

[Rory]

You might as well just go gamble on goldfish at the carnival at that point. High school.

[Mall]

You mean like a degenerate? A degenerate gambler that would be at a playoff game and ask the security guard to bet on quarters against the wall. Like that type of person.

[Rory]

You so mad Larry Bird ain't better than Jordan, bro.

[Mall]

Yeah, first of all, no, you so.

[Rory]

Mad the hick from French Lick ain't better than Air Jordan, man. He's just not a better player. Rory, it's okay, man.

[Mall]

He's a pure shooter.

[Rory]

He was the purist.

[Mall]

Pure race.

[Rory]

Oh, man. Clean as driven snow. That's America's. That's an American right there. It don't get more American. Larry Bird.

[Mall]

I really wish they had, like, mic'd up players at that point, because everyone says Larry Bird was the worst talker of all time. I gotta hear what he was saying.

[Rory]

Oh, you know what? He was.

[Mall]

Because the same way we argue, like, with parents, grandparents, about players, like, I never. I need to see Wilt chamberlain in the 100 points. Like, I gotta see it. Babe Ruth. No way. I gotta know what y' all think. Good Talking is.

[Rory]

I mean, like, if.

[Mall]

If Larry Bird was up there calling people job turkeys. Like, I'm not like. No, you're not the best talker.

[Rory]

Nah. But it wasn't just. No, you told my name calling. Or was that. I'm saying him. Him telling his defender what move he was about to do and actually doing it and scoring. That's insane, bro. I'm telling you which way I'm going. Off glass.

[Mall]

He got that from Hot Sauce, though. If you take it out. Got that from ao.

[Rory]

Larry Birdman.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Larry Bird used to watch Hot Sauce. Yeah. That's exactly where he got that from.

[Mall]

But I've just never gotten any examples of what he'd been saying.

[Rory]

Like, yeah, that I'm gonna tell you which way I'm going. I'm gonna tell you how I'm gonna score on you, and there's nothing you can do about it. Yeah, I guess there's nothing more insulting than sports than to play your garden. Telling you what he's about to do and then doing it, that's like, bro, you can't. There's nothing you can do with me. I could do.

[Mall]

What?

[Rory]

I can kiss you in your mouth if I want to right now.

[Damaris]

Oh, shit.

[Rory]

I can have my way with you, and there's nothing you can do about it. Like, that's the ultimate disrespect here. You want to know what I'm about to do here? I'm about to do this, and you still can't stop it. Yeah, that's the type of shit talking legends do. You got to be a legend. Because if you do that shit and it don't score, it's kind of like, shut the fuck up. And you bum, bum.

[Mall]

I mean, imagine Larry Bird whispering in.

[Rory]

Your ear that he was going to.

[Mall]

Have his way with you. And there's nothing you could do about it.

[Rory]

Nothing you could do about it. Just let it. Just let it happen.

[Mall]

What was that clip everyone was bringing up today of Gilbert snitching? That, too. He was at the free throw line. It was Wizards and Cavs or something. And LeBron whispered something in his ear which he had revealed, and it had to do with the gambling spot.

[Rory]

Shit, you got two free throws, and LeBron comes by and taps you on the chest and whispers something to you. What did he tell you? He said, if you miss these free throws, you know who's gonna win it. What? Makes it worse, because we gamble at LeBron's house. Me, Damon Jones, you know, that was our group. So Damon Jones was horrible. Four with cards. He owed me money. Like, every time we played him, I always used to scream out, the landlord's hit. The landlord needs his rent money, so he doesn't even play in game six. So when he whispers, you know who's gonna hit it? Everybody assumed it was him. I knew what he was talking about. Like, I was. I was balling that game. Just hit the three to get us in overtime. And then I see Damon Jones in there stretching, and they really put the man in. And the fact that LeBron even passed him the ball is what hurt the most. Damon Jones, who hadn't played a second long game, inserted and knocks down the winning shot. Bro, there's two niggas in that conversation that are under federal investigation. The only person who isn't is LeBron James. See, I don't think that's crazy.

[Mall]

No, that's why I was okay asking if you saw that clip. That's wild because what, one already said he was going to snitch, one got indicted today.

[Rory]

He's got arrested today. And literally was sitting on the bench stone faced the other night. Yo, LeBron didn't look. I don't think he looked at one play. Y' all didn't see that.

[Mall]

Gilbert literally says in that clip, we gamble at LeBron James house.

[Rory]

Yo, LeBron was sitting there like this the whole game, yo, I swear to God, he didn't look at the court one time.

[Damaris]

He wasn't shit funny.

[Rory]

Look at. Look, that's how LeBron was sitting the entire game. I'm telling you. Like, I started feeling like, yo, he don't fuck with Luka or something. Cause like, he wasn't even happy to, like, Luka was balling. Like, he didn't have no emotion during that game. Like, I'm just saying, bro, LeBron knows something is coming down. He knows it. He knows it.

[Mall]

That's fucked up, though. I don't think LeBron is in it the way Damon Jones was in it.

[Rory]

He in there. He was in that house.

[Damaris]

Take me through there.

[Rory]

Take me through there. Take me through there. That's what the Fed's gonna tell that nigga. Take me through there. We rolling.

[Damaris]

We've been rolling.

[Mall]

We've been rolling.

[Rory]

Oh, you know? Yeah, that's exactly. The Fed's gonna take me through there. LeBron gonna drive the bus. Take me through. LeBron ain't going to jail. I can tell you. He letting all. You going to jail for LeBron, dude.

[Mall]

No way.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's crazy. I didn't know about that. You know about that peach.

[Mall]

But gambling at LeBron's crib doesn't mean LeBron like, all right, if you want to get him for poker at his crib, whatever. I don't think Braun was involved on, like, changing the games, bro. I. I just don't.

[Rory]

He just passed Damon Jones the ball and hit the game winner. You think there wasn't a bet on that game?

[Mall]

So you think that cleared Damon's debt to. To Gilbert?

[Rory]

I don't know what it cleared. I'm just saying one person was already arrested. The second person was arrested today, overtime in the playoff.

[Mall]

No, LeBron is, I believe, more the strategy that that they used to accuse LeBron of. You're not like MJ or Kobe because you do pass the ball when, like, you should have the ball at the end of the game. Like, you're supposed to be a goat. You're pussy for passing everybody. I believe that more than he. He would do that LeBron cares way too much about his legacy and being compared to fucking MJ and Kobe. He fucking.

[Rory]

You just called MJ a degenerate gambler.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You don't think that he wants to gamble better than Jordan?

[Damaris]

Yo. All right, that's a lie. All right, mama.

[Rory]

How much did Mike lose it? I'm losing more.

[Mall]

You know, it'd be funny if there was a site that right before LeBron's decision, when he was leaving Cleveland and they just had the over under, that's how he decided it wasn't. It wasn't Dwayne.

[Rory]

That would be crazy.

[Mall]

It was like, you know what? I'm gonna go to south beach, yo.

[Rory]

That would be. See, Nah, don't you gonna get. Wait.

[Mall]

But first, you don't think on the illegal side, there was not bets before that. Yeah, of course.

[Rory]

Absolutely. Absolutely. There was bets on where LeBron was going. Yeah, one million. We all. We all watched that shit like it was game seven of the finals.

[Mall]

I should. For all we know, there may have been something in Vegas that said, yo, the over under on Michael Jordan retiring to play baseball is the craziest spread of all time. And Mike was like, I'll take it. Put a dollar down.

[Rory]

No worrying now.

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Mall]

Just picturing Michael Jordan in AAA baseball trying to fix a game is hilarious to me.

[Rory]

You don't have to try.

[Mall]

Yo, throwing a game and you playing AAA ball because he missed a lot of catches.

[Rory]

Jesus Christ. Yo, what up, Rory? Mall this is D from Jersey. I think you guys remember what I do for work. So I have a quick story question. I had a call. Somebody called, report a burglary. Somebody's wife called to report a burglary. She says there, oh, you know, our bathroom windows forced out. And I see footsteps, you know, running away from the house. My husband says he didn't know anybody was in the house, you know, reporting a burglary. We get there, we're speaking to the husband. Husband pulls me to the side. He's like, hey, man, I need you guys to help me out. I'm like, hold up. All right, what's going on? I'm like, yo, just tell me what's up? Like, what's going on? Essentially, he had somebody over that wasn't supposed to be there. Wife comes home a little early, girl hops out the window. And he just pretended like somebody broke into the house. Needless to say, we got the fuck out of there. I gave him a whole talk about he's wasting tax dollars. X, Y, and Z. But my question is, what's the craziest lie that you guys have tried to get off? Whether it's convolutin, whether you got other people involved. X, Y, and Z. If you can share without blowing your own shit up.

[Mall]

Appreciate you guys.

[Rory]

Keep going. Thank you, man. Appreciate that. He's obviously a police officer. The craziest lie, I think.

[Mall]

I think I told the story a long time ago and we all joked about it. I had fallen asleep with my phone on my chest. This was actually years and years and years and years ago. And I might have been more than seven, honestly. It might have been before we was popping or right around the time we started.

[Damaris]

I know what story you about to tell, and. Yeah, you. Yeah, go ahead.

[Mall]

Fell asleep just waiting for the Uber, and she went right through my phone while we was waiting for that shit. And in my days of waking up, I said, my man aunt used my phone. He was texting a girl.

[Damaris]

Worst lie ever.

[Mall]

Getting woken up out your sleep going, yo, what the is? And I know. I didn't even know how. How long I was asleep. She must have canceled the Uber while she was going through my. My phone. Cuz I woke up, like, delirious.

[Rory]

Yeah, but that's. That's just a bad lie.

[Mall]

That's not. I know.

[Rory]

Like, that lie is crazy. Like, he had to get his side chick out the crib, broke the window, had to call the police and make it seem like somebody burglarized his home. Like.

[Damaris]

Like what?

[Rory]

She.

[Damaris]

She ain't even ain't Nothing missing. Like what? Other than a nut, nothing's missing.

[Rory]

Yeah, like that's. Calling the police to get involved in a lie is crazy. Like, you actually call the police to the house to try to, like, seal your lie. Now they gonna investigate. Now they gonna go look at what happens when they go look at the ring camera and see Shorty hopping her fat ass out the window.

[Damaris]

Yo, why she gotta be fat?

[Rory]

She broke the window. I don't know. She ain't the slim girl. Like, what happens then? Now you all the way caught and your wife got the. She gonna see the footage.

[Mall]

Nah, but what if Shorty is 10 toes and holds it down in court and just takes the charge like, nah, I did that.

[Damaris]

That's crazy.

[Rory]

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know about it. I don't know if I have. I mean, I think we all lied on. Said one of our relatives died or some shit like that, but I do it with relatives that actually died.

[Mall]

Like, they've been dead.

[Rory]

Yeah, I'll say. Like, yo, my uncle died.

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

One of my uncles really died.

[Damaris]

Yo, I. Bro, my homegirl caught this and he like, yeah, I gotta, you know, I'm saying I gotta cancel our date. Like, my grandma. My grandma died, man. Grandma been dead for seven years, bro.

[Rory]

Yeah, I've done that. I think, I think. I think most. Most guys have done that.

[Mall]

Killed off their grandparents. Yeah, probably.

[Rory]

Yeah, probably. But I've never done.

[Mall]

But to get out of a date. Like, I could find a better excuse than killing my. Like, killing your grandparents is reserved for like some last minute.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's like.

[Mall]

You're scrambling.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, that's like a hail Mary.

[Mall]

But I've even seen people kill off their parents before. And their parents.

[Rory]

I'm not lying that both my parents is live. Held in.

[Mall]

No, they alive and they was.

[Rory]

I don't like that much. Shorty, I'll tell you straight up. Yeah, I'm cheating. I'm not gonna blame you. My mom's dog. Get the out of here.

[Damaris]

That's crazy.

[Rory]

You. I'm cheating out of here.

[Mall]

I've heard people say they. They had cancer before and they was healthy.

[Rory]

No, that's why that's crazy.

[Damaris]

See all of that?

[Rory]

Yeah, that's. It's not that. It' that serious. No, like cancer. Like you. Now you bugging, bro.

[Mall]

At that point. Hey, I don't want to go on the date.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's much easier to just be like, yo, you know what? I ain't really feeling. You like That I don't want to go out tonight. Like, you know how you have to do it. Yeah.

[Mall]

Or do it like a regular person. Like, hey, I'm going through a lot right now. It's probably not the right time.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Like, get that off.

[Rory]

Yeah. Now, you could just say I'm depressed.

[Mall]

Yeah. And they'll. They'll accept that at this point.

[Rory]

Yeah. Depression question that depressed is like, you get a sick day for being depressed.

[Damaris]

Yeah. I think the worst lie I ever told is I had. I had a hickey on my neck, and I was still living with my parents at the time, and my mother called my father and was like, damaris has a hickey on her neck. And I think I told my dad. I told my dad I got hit with a snowball, and it turned my neck red. I said, dad, you know, I'm like, I'm light.

[Rory]

Daddy got hit with a snowball. And it was June.

[Damaris]

No, it was.

[Mall]

It was Syracuse, though.

[Rory]

Syracuse, though. It could snow any day. Yeah.

[Damaris]

No, I was like, yo. I was like, I got hit with a snowball. I had missed first. My teacher is the one that called and told them that I came to school. I missed first block. I came to school with a hickey my senior year.

[Rory]

But where was the hickey at? You couldn't hide the hickey.

[Damaris]

Like, I can't. I was late to school, so I didn't even know it was there. But when I walked in the class, my homegirl was like, you got a hickey on your neck? And a teacher heard, oh, snitching ass bitch, Call my mom.

[Rory]

Yo, the fact that hickeys was, like, such a thing. Like, that was such a. And it's so stupid. Like, when you think about it, it's like, bro, what is the big deal about a hickey? Like, that shit is so, like, okay. He was making out with your boyfriend. Like, all right. Yeah, they still give hickeys.

[Damaris]

Somebody give me a hickey at this big ass.

[Mall]

I was about to say, getting it like, a hickey at 35. I feel really. No, no.

[Rory]

I'm not saying there's a dope. I'm saying, like, high school kids are definitely still giving me time.

[Damaris]

Oh, no. For sure.

[Mall]

Yeah. Because, like, you didn't have, like, many moves.

[Rory]

Yeah, that was. That was. Yeah, he was a hickey. Met you if you had a hickey was like, yo, this just got some pussy. Like, that was. That's what a hickey was. A hickey was like, yo, I just had sex.

[Mall]

But, I mean, I should. After I Got my first hickey. And, Peach, I'm sure you can attest to this, too. It. It looks like I was, like, really assaulted. So anytime, like, I got used to just, like, pulling chicks away. When they would even try to start that move, I'm like, nope, I'm not going into school looking like a victim.

[Rory]

Yeah.

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[Damaris]

Like, they hurt.

[Rory]

I was never a fan of the hickey thing.

[Mall]

Thing.

[Rory]

Like, the hickey thing was never. Like, that was never my. Yeah, it relaxed sucking on my neck like that. Like, I don't like that.

[Damaris]

You gotta be there for a while to make a mark.

[Rory]

Like, let's just move now. My neck stink. Smell like your saliva and all that. Once. You know, once the saliva drop. Now it's not like your mouth, like, get out of here.

[Mall]

And we in high school going through puberty. You got a salty neck.

[Damaris]

Oh, next. Be so salty. Teenage boys next.

[Mall]

Something about. Well, I wasn't a teenage boy. That was. I was putting my mouth on, but I wasn't agreeing with what you. Oh, my teenage girls. Wait. I was a teenage. I was a teenage boy kissing a teenage girl. And because of puberty, sometimes her neck was a little salty.

[Rory]

Oh, if y' all put. You know, y' all used to put that body spray on that tastes like rubbing alcohol. That tastes like. Like you lick the doorknob. Terrible. Why am I looking? Why am I tasting all of these things? All my senses going off. I'm trying to figure out what she wearing. Like. Yeah, no, I don't have no crazy lies, though. Like, little. I gotta. My cousin got arrested. You know, regular, basic.

[Mall]

Yeah, that if.

[Rory]

Like, keep recycling the ones that work. Like.

[Mall]

Yeah. And you gotta have a lot of cousins that you could probably find one that got arrested that day anyways.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's.

[Mall]

That's, like.

[Rory]

That's easy. My cousin got arrested. I call you back. Don't call her back. Call back two days later. Yo, they trying to send him up. No, off, you know, you gotta give her the update. Yo, he looking at 5 to 10. That in the house playing Halo, man.

[Mall]

Yo, I know they say not only. Not only people that got arrested do the bid, but the family does.

[Rory]

Yeah. You know, we got to do the bed with them. We can't let them go through the system.

[Mall]

We gotta do the bed with them.

[Rory]

We can't lose it. We can't lose them to the system. You know, that. That. We can't just let him go. Like, so I got to prepare for this, man. You know, you on the one going.

[Mall]

Right to Rikers to make sure he get. You know, they get lost in the tunes.

[Damaris]

Y' all never been out doing some you ain't got no business doing. And you get a phone call, and you gotta hop in the nearest, like, car, taxi, whatever, to get to where you supposed to. Like, you get a FaceTime call, and you not. The background ain't what the background's supposed to be, and you gotta go hop in a car and get where you supposed to be and get in the bed fully clothed and, like, wake up up.

[Rory]

No, no, I ain't never had to do that if I'm caught out there like that.

[Mall]

You're an athlete.

[Rory]

Yeah. Like, if I'm caught out there, like.

[Mall]

How long do they sounds even ringing?

[Rory]

Yeah, if I'm not the same call.

[Damaris]

But, like, yeah, you gotta call back. Like, you just call me. Wake that one. You gotta take one makeup wipe, do one swipe, get in the bed, mess your hair up, be under the covers. Like, you just called me out asleep.

[Mall]

I don't think I'm that good of an actor to. To put on, like, the I just woke up voice in that moment.

[Rory]

I don't know, man. I'm just. When you've been a side dude, like, multiple times, it's hard for girls to lie to you. It's like, yo, I done heard. I done seen it all. So when girls just. Nah, you know, I did, yo, I feel it.

[Damaris]

But women really do fall asleep, Ma. Like, that's.

[Rory]

We all fall asleep eventually. Amara fell asleep at 6am we all fall asleep eventually. What I'm saying is sometimes when y' all say y' all fell asleep.

[Damaris]

But you can't but see more.

[Rory]

That's where I was in Pergola.

[Damaris]

That's.

[Mall]

I told you, man, once once a chick showed me.

[Rory]

And then you went across the street to the Ritz, call to me.

[Damaris]

Hey, hey, hey, chill, buddy, chill.

[Rory]

We don't talk about that.

[Mall]

Chill, buddy.

[Rory]

That relay. We don't talk about that relay happening in Manhattan enough.

[Mall]

I didn't. I didn't know he was on our Gilbert and was snitching right now.

[Rory]

The Cavs was just here last night. The Cavs was just here last night. I didn't even know, you know, the Cavs was in town last night. Rory. NBA season is back pagola back lit. It ain't no hookah in Manhattan, yo.

[Mall]

When they put that Ritz right across the street from Pergola, I was like.

[Rory]

This is what's happening.

[Mall]

This is crazy. Relax.

[Rory]

We know what's the little Rooftop. Rooftop restaurant at the Ritz that everybody like going to.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah, I know what you're talking about.

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[Rory]

I know that relay. I know them backdrops. When I see the view I got.

[Mall]

And then you look at the schedule.

[Rory]

Yeah, I'm like.

[Mall]

And then you look at the schedule.

[Rory]

Backdrop, view, Ritz, carton, rooftop.

[Mall]

Should have been on.

[Rory]

Her game just ended. It's like 11:45, you at the Ritz.

[Mall]

She's not with the girls, man.

[Rory]

Oh, no, no.

[Mall]

They're not allowed to, like, real talk.

[Rory]

Yeah. With the girls.

[Mall]

Yeah. I didn't even know.

[Rory]

Who paying. Cause none of you have stayed at the. You live in Harlem, man. Girl, you live in Harlem. Why you stayed at the Ritz tonight?

[Mall]

They went to have cute drinks.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You know.

[Damaris]

You know, the rich nomad. Like, they give you your little entry champagne when you come in. Like, it's nice. It's a nice little stayc.

[Mall]

You know, her homegirl dragged her there. She didn't even want to go.

[Damaris]

I didn't even want to go to that.

[Mall]

She didn't want to go.

[Rory]

She wanted. She was in the bed. Yeah, she was in the bed. Cut this shit, yo.

[Damaris]

I posted that view one time. Niggas just started laughing underneath my. I said, you know what? I'm just. Delete this.

[Rory]

Because it's like, what you doing? What are you doing? We know. Listen, man. We don't talk about it, but we know Pergola, she don't answer her phone after she leave. Pergola, she fell asleep.

[Damaris]

I've fallen asleep after Pergola, though.

[Rory]

I'm sure you have in the car.

[Damaris]

On the way home.

[Mall]

You know, the lamb chops, they put you right to sleep.

[Rory]

Makes you very tired. The lobster pasta, that's more forward was wearing your bitch out.

[Mall]

That's crazy. And then you ever. You ever meet a chick that, like, you know, you don't go outside anymore. I don't go outside anymore. So when chicks meet you, sometimes they're only aware of the person that they're meeting right now.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

And just maybe assume that you've been this. This way your whole life.

[Rory]

Like, I ran all them plays.

[Mall]

I've been.

[Rory]

I ran all them plays.

[Mall]

I've been to all the places that you now just.

[Rory]

Yeah. You ain't gotta lie. Have fun.

[Mall]

Do your thing.

[Rory]

That's what I'm saying. Lying is just like, stop, man. Cause we know the.

[Mall]

You taking the bathroom selfies at the. I know that restaurant. I know the floor tiles.

[Rory]

I know who's been.

[Mall]

I've been doing this for 20 years. I know.

[Damaris]

The bathroom, the bathroom, the bathroom. Room selfies at Saint now when you see her yo is gone, let her go.

[Mall]

And she think just because you. You don't go outside. Like, she just think you're just a homebody.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

I've been running. They just changed the name of these clubs. They the same club?

[Rory]

It's the same exact club.

[Mall]

I know where you at.

[Rory]

Still work there. Same backdrop. We get it.

[Mall]

Well, this was fun. I think I'm gonna just try to figure out how we can start the first underground podcast gambling ring. Start betting on ourselves.

[Rory]

Bet on ourselves.

[Mall]

Yeah. I might throw a few pods.

[Rory]

How are you gonna do that?

[Mall]

I didn't think of three.

[Rory]

I'll plug your mic. What are you talking about?

[Mall]

Oh, you think I'm going on the Rock the Bells cruise? No, I'm. I bet on myself to miss a week.

[Rory]

Oh, I bet on myself.

[Mall]

Yo, the over under of Rory missing an episode.

[Damaris]

The over under Rory saying a word wrong. The over under Rory saying, yeah, y'.

[Rory]

All didn't know I actually something might be fun. Let's. Let's have the. Let's have the listeners and the viewers make up.

[Mall]

Yeah. Matter of fact, this would be fun with. With the Patreon community, Twitter community, Reddit community. Like, let's all try to figure out the. The podcast gambling stuff.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

And we'll bet like jelly beans. And it don't got to be money.

[Rory]

Nobody's gonna lose their home. We don't want to do that.

[Damaris]

Man. If you into that serious betting, hit my line. Them betting bullshit. Put the house up.

[Rory]

All right. You can't spend the night here, Damaris. When you lose your apartment, don't come sleeping in here.

[Damaris]

No, I'm going to your house.

[Rory]

Nah, shit, that ain't happening. That ain't happening.

[Mall]

I'll start throwing Terry passes on this podcast.

[Rory]

Yeah, fuck that. Well, have fun on Rock the Bells, man. Tell Locks. Tell the guys. The Locks. Smith and Wesson. Everybody salute. Peace and love. Appreciate everything that they've done for hip hop continue to do.

[Mall]

I'm very excited to jet ski with real hip hop.

[Rory]

Have fun. Don't be too much of a nerd when you see DJ Jazzy Jeff. I know you can't wait to used.

[Mall]

To live with his son.

[Rory]

I know that's. Don't become too much of a nerd, but have fun, though, man, and call in, check in on us and. You know what I mean? Have a good time.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

All right, we'll talk to y' all soon be safe. Be blessed. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. Rory's on a cruise. No Warrior. Now get ready to power up your play with Nintendo Switch 2. Power up the visuals with 4K support.

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[Rory]

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[Rory]

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[Damaris]

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