Episode 420 | Spa Day

Summary

New Rory & MAL – Episode 420 "Spa Day"

Release Date: November 4, 2025
Podcast Hosts: Rory, Mal, Baby D
Producer: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume

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Episode Overview

In this episode, the crew welcomes Rory back from vacation, with Mal recounting his recent adventures on the Rock the Bells Cruise, which dominates the early show discussion. The group dives into cruise escapades, luxury spa storytelling, hip-hop cruise performances, music releases, and hot takes on music industry controversies (Grammys, Billboard, bots), relationship dynamics, and their trademark playful banter. The show is as much about storytelling and roasting each other as it is about dissecting the shifting landscape of hip-hop.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Mal’s Rock the Bells Cruise Recap

[03:21–15:18]

• Lighting Jokes and Mal's Return

  • Mal jokes about the improved podcast lighting while he was away, poking fun at his pigment and “blown out lack of melanin.”
  • “I've been saying that for five years now. It's so bright I look insane.” – Mal [03:34]

• ‘90s and Hip-Hop Heaven

  • Mal describes the Rock the Bells Cruise as a “hip-hop heaven” with a crowd of mostly ‘90s (and older) rap fans and legendary artists.
  • “I had a blast. It was the aunties and uncles for sure, but everybody danced at parties, nobody really had their phone out. Everybody was in the moment.” – Mal [07:31]

• Hanging with Legends

  • Emphasizes the rare proximity to artists: “You could just be in the cafeteria and you just see Jadakiss getting eggs.” [08:09]
  • Recounts run-ins with Twista and seeing legendary performances by Kool G Rap, The Lox, and the Dogg Pound.
  • Praises Lupe Fiasco as “one of the better rap performers” he’s ever seen.

• Behind-the-Scenes Cruise Moments

  • Shares tales about casual hangs with rappers: “You get off the elevator and you see Lil Cease playing Kurupt Ghostface's new album…” [08:36]
  • Humorously tells a story about his spa certificate and an awkward, but “phenomenal” massage from an Indian masseuse: “Really gentle hands. That Indian man had his way with me in the most gentle way.” [24:00–25:02]
  • The group has a playful debate over letting a man massage them, with Baby D adamant: “I'm cool. I'm cool.”

• Room Talk: Hotel vs. Cruise Cabins

  • Mal details the luxury of headline artist suites compared to his room, joking: “…you might as well have been in fucking Trump’s penthouse.” [14:08]
  • Baby D and Rory stress the importance of a good room on any vacation: “If I go on vacation and the room is trash, I'm pissed off.” – Baby D [18:57]

2. Music & Pop Culture Hot Takes

[37:08–76:32]

• New Music Reviews

  • The new Big L album (posthumously released) gets high praise: “It’s a no skip album from Mass Appeal.” – Mal [37:13]
  • The crew reflects on Big L as one of rap’s biggest “what ifs,” with Mal and Baby D discussing the impact of early deaths (Big, Pac, Mac Miller) on hip-hop’s evolution.
  • DJ Premier and Ransom’s new project: “What more do you need than Ransom in his highest form and DJ Premier beats?” – Mal [41:18]
  • Lloyd Banks’ Halloween Havoc series is called some of his best work to date.
  • Miguel and Kehlani both receive strong co-signs for their most recent projects.

• Grammy Category Controversy

  • The Grammys are splitting the “Best Country Album” into “Contemporary Country” (interpreted as Black-dominated) and “Traditional Country” (White-dominated), widely seen as a response to Beyoncé's win.
  • “Black country artists are smoking y’all... so we gotta split it up.” – Mal [55:00]
  • The group critiques the obvious attempt to dilute Black artists’ impact, but Mal grants that subcategories make sense for R&B and could work for rap too.

• Billboard Rules & Streaming Bots

  • Billboard implements new rules to remove long-charting songs after certain thresholds, aiming to prevent stagnation by legacy hits.
  • Rory and Mal debate whether this is “fairness” or a “participation trophy”; Rory: “Kick ‘em the fuck off and let somebody else come on.” [87:56]
  • The group also discusses accusations of major label artists (specifically Drake, via an RBX lawsuit) benefiting from bot streams—Mal stands by his stance that “everybody uses bots whether they know it or not.” [101:44]

3. Relationships, Gender Dynamics & Listener Voicemail

[103:31–115:23]

• Listener Voicemail: Low Libido in Relationships

  • A listener asks for advice about his partner’s waning sex drive after two years together.
  • Baby D (Damaris) gives a thoughtful answer, suggesting hormone checks and open, compassionate communication, noting, “Sex is extremely important in a relationship. It’s one of the indicators of the health of the relationship.” [104:12]
  • The group debates what constitutes “enough sex” in a relationship—Rory’s minimum: “six times a month” if you live together.
  • The importance of both emotional and physical compatibility is stressed: “If you’re not sexually satisfied, your relationship is going to slowly implode elsewhere.” – Mal [107:24]

• Petty Gender Observations

  • The group humorously dissects how men and women act around the opposite sex (voice shifts, blinking, subtle “dirty macking”).
  • “Why is your voice so high, bitch? You sound like Lola Brooke any other time.” – Rory [47:51]
  • The “pick-me girl” vs. “the homie” phenomenon is debated, with everyone roasting subtle social cues in mixed company.

4. Hip-Hop Gossip & Culture Commentary

[62:43–76:32]

• Versus Debates / Jay Z’s Quote Goes Viral Again

  • Jay Z’s years-old comments resurface, sparking online debate about who could face him in a Verzuz battle.
  • Rory, Mal, and Baby D lament that most online fans don’t “live with the music” and that match-ups like Future vs. Jay Z aren’t even logical.
  • "We've seen that for the whole year of 2020 and 2021. Jay Z's not putting 'Empire State of Mind' in his verses 20. And that's his biggest record, according to Billboards." – Mal [65:10–65:20]
  • The crew trashes some of the worst matchups ever—Snoop & DMX, 112 & Jagged Edge—and discuss what makes a good Verzuz pairing.

• Standom and Internet Culture

  • Rory jokes about being stuck in “female rap Stan Twitter” and the hellishness of online music debates, especially around stats and “who did it first.”
  • Social media's power to revive old drama and foment stan wars is heavily critiqued, but mostly laughed off.

• Hip-Hop Couples Pressure

  • The group reflects on public pressure faced by hip-hop’s “goal couples” like Big Sean and Jhene Aiko amid rumors of their break-up. Baby D: “It is good to have examples of what we deem healthy relationships…” [75:36], but everyone agrees the public places unfair stress by projecting expectations.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Mal on the Cruise Experience:
  “I've never been on a cruise... you can't escape once you're on a boat. And I had a fucking blast.” [07:00]

• Mal on Legendary Performances:
  “The Coogee rap performance is one of the best performances I've ever seen... it was the most professional shit I'd ever seen. I've never seen two people get so sober so quickly and put on one of the greatest performances I've ever seen.” [08:01–09:23]

• Baby D on Spa Day:
  “There's no way I'm letting no man massage me, dog. It's not happening.” [25:03]

• Mal on Lighting:
  “Every single episode should be a Halloween episode. I would have strived in that lighting.” [03:43]

• Rory on Hotel Rooms:
  “If I go on vacation and the room is trash, I'm pissed off. Yeah, it ruins the whole vacation.” [18:57]

• Mal’s “Paul Wall” Moment:
  “I've been listening to Paul Wall since the 90s”—‘All of me deflated.’ [16:16–17:03]

• Grammys Category Split:
  “Black country artists are smoking y'all... so we gotta split it up.” – Mal [55:00]

• Rory on Billboard's Song Removal Rule:
  “Kick 'em the fuck off and let somebody else come on.” [87:56]
  “It's not like he's climbing... Let somebody else have a shot.” [90:34, paraphrased]

• Damaris on Sex in Relationships:
  “Sex is extremely important in a relationship... if y'all are not compatible sexually, the relationship will not last.” [104:12]

• Mal on Gender & Ego:
  “It's also uncomfortable for a man with our ego... to be like, hey, do you not like me?” [114:08]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Cruise Recap & Lighting Jokes: [03:21–07:00]
• Legendary Rap Stories: [07:00–15:18]
• Hotel Room Talk: [18:33–21:16]
• Massage Comedy / Spa Day: [24:00–27:00]
• Big L Album & Music Reviews: [37:08–44:47]
• Grammy & Billboard Rules: [53:37–92:59]
• Relationship Desk (Voicemail): [103:31–115:23]
• Jay Z/Versus Debate: [62:43–68:28]
• Internet Stan Culture: [69:13–70:12]
• Hip-Hop Couples Pressure: [74:43–76:32]

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Episode Tone

Playful, sharp, and irreverent. The group roasts each other relentlessly while delivering honest, often insightful commentary on hip-hop, media, and relationships. “Spa Day” is both a recap of wild adventures and a dive into music industry debates, all tailored with New Rory & MAL’s signature blend of inside jokes, cultural awareness, and real talk.

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Useful for Listeners Who Missed the Episode:

This episode offers a rich window into the behind-the-scenes hip-hop scene, thoughtful discussion on authenticity in music and relationships, and plenty of laughs rooted in the hosts’ own vulnerabilities and experiences. If you’re interested in hip-hop cruises, music culture, or the complex intersections of gender, fame, and industry politics, this is a must-listen for both insight and entertainment.

Transcript

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[Mall]

I see that you guys finally did the lighting that I would have preferred the week that I'm gone.

[Baby D]

What are you talking about?

[Mall]

Lighting that would have done well on my pigment. You guys do when I.

[Baby D]

There's no light how long exactly? So you don't want no light.

[Mall]

Yes, I've been saying that for five years now. It's so bright I look insane. Every time you want to.

[Baby D]

So you want them to kill this light or that light?

[Mall]

Mainly this light. But every time we've done that it looked weird because you were too dark and. But now that I know you guys can do it, I feel like every single episode should be a Halloween episode. Nah, I would have strived in that lighting.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Instead of this blown out lack of melanin that I have here, baby.

[Baby D]

Do you see how when the white man comes back, there's always negativity, it's issues. It's always like, what else? What else? What else did you notice while you were gone, sir?

[Mall]

That you guys did an amazing job. Held it down and I enjoyed both episodes.

[Baby D]

Yeah, that's cool. That's called gaslighting.

[Rory]

Yeah. You did not watch episodes.

[Mall]

I watched the Halloween one. I saw the clips of the first one.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Baby D]

You watched the whole Halloween episode?

[Mall]

Yeah, it was really good. You guys are cute.

[Baby D]

Did you enjoy that one?

[Mall]

Well, I can't enjoy an episode.

[Baby D]

No. I'm just asking.

[Mall]

He only can't enjoy this pod.

[Rory]

He only watched it because he liked the lightning. That's why he was like, oh yeah.

[Mall]

No, I was kind of loud. I went in with hate.

[Baby D]

Oh.

[Mall]

I was like this.

[Baby D]

Oh, so the lighting is what.

[Mall]

Is what I was like. Visually, it's amazing. This is what I've always wanted for the podcast because of, you know, my, my very much lack of melanin and pigment challenged skin here. That's what I've always wanted. And then I was like, but the audio is going to suck. And I was like, damn, Damn, they're funny.

[Baby D]

Yeah, but what happened? You didn't get a tan and you still look the same complexion when you left.

[Mall]

Oh, listen, man, cruise ships, they got canopies. You don't even got to be in.

[Baby D]

The Sun Islands, right? Yeah. So you didn't, you didn't get out.

[Mall]

And Golf cart had a thing over it. There was a canopy. At the pool party, you went from canopy to canopy, palm tree to palm tree. I was scooting around.

[Rory]

How was it?

[Mall]

Well, first I'll say we are back as a squad sponsored by Boost Merch is available right now, newworld mall.com unlimited talk, text data.

[Baby D]

And Carnival Cruises.

[Mall]

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[Baby D]

Yeah, just. Just go to the gate and say, I'm with Boost. Right in.

[Mall]

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[Baby D]

Exactly.

[Mall]

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[Rory]

Including me and Ma's vlog that just came out last night. This morning. Last night.

[Mall]

Which I was hoping it would hit the chat so I could watch it because I hit Damaris, right? This how you knew I was hating? I barely had WI fi. I didn't want to check in on you guys. I even brought my little camera for my laptop. But WI fi was. Was tough. I saw you guys post a photo after the episode. Or what? I'm like, wait, it takes me to leave for y' all to hang out.

[Rory]

Whole time you thought I was the problem now?

[Mall]

Baby, no, you and I hang out. I was shocked you got more to hang out. But I didn't know it's for a vlog.

[Baby D]

I mean, yeah, it was hanging out. We went to eat and went sneaker shopping.

[Mall]

Oh, so you finally got your sneakers?

[Rory]

No, but, you know, watch them.

[Mall]

It's crazy that he brought you to the water and didn't teach you how to fish. That's nuts.

[Baby D]

No, they didn't have a size there.

[Mall]

Okay, but you ordered it for. Right?

[Baby D]

Well, I hit. I sent them to. To fresh goods.

[Rory]

No response.

[Baby D]

I just he just responded, I'm just talking to him now. Oh, you know, he had his thing all weekend. So, yeah, I wasn't, like, on his.

[Mall]

Line, which he may have put out my two favorite sneakers of his ever, which is saying something that, like, cream version might be my favorite sneaker I've ever seen. Even Damaris DM me and was like, this. This shoe is. Is you. Yeah, it's a silhouette of you.

[Baby D]

Shout out to Joe Fresh Goods, man.

[Mall]

But, yeah, the cruise was amazing. You know, I was in. I was in hip hop heaven.

[Baby D]

How was it?

[Mall]

I was a little nervous going on because, again, I've never been on a cruise.

[Baby D]

I had a few friends on a cruise, too. They was posting. I was like, oh, shit. Like, a few of the homies went, okay.

[Mall]

Yeah, there was a few people yelled out, what's up, mall? Per usual.

[Baby D]

That is crazy.

[Mall]

I think Twisted called me Mole. That's funn the elevator. No, I'm joking. Twister watches our show. Like, for real watches our show. Like, people say that. And then he started bringing stuff up, but I was like, oh, like, Twister really watches. That's kind of cool.

[Rory]

Shout out to Twister.

[Baby D]

That's dope, man.

[Mall]

But, yeah, I was nervous going in because you can't escape once you're on a boat. And I had a fucking blast. Like, it was the aunties and uncles for sure, but everybody danced at parties. Nobody really had their phone out. Like, everybody was in the moment enjoying what was going on.

[Baby D]

90S babies.

[Mall]

Well, I'm a 90s baby. You think I'm Auntie Uncle.

[Baby D]

Well, 80s babies, then.

[Mall]

70S babies on there, for sure.

[Baby D]

70S babies was performing for sure.

[Mall]

There were some 60s babies. The Coogee rap performance is one of the best performances I've ever seen. Cool G rap might even born in the 50s. No offense to coochie.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

But no, it was like, it was weird because I've had the. The privilege to be around a lot of, like, my favorite rappers. And I know everyone doesn't get that, but on this cruise, literally, you could just be in the cafeteria and you just see Jadakiss getting eggs.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Like, it's not like, wow. It's not like, super segregated. Like, you just chilling. Like, you know what? Let me go get a bottle of water. Yeah, it's right there. Yeah.

[Baby D]

Wu Tang.

[Mall]

And it was cool because, like, it was just that crowd where like, yeah. Oh, shit, that's Jadakiss. But, like, nobody was tripping out. Like, let him eat his ex. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nobody was freaking out. But Then you get off the elevator and you see Lil Ceeze playing Corrupt, Ghostface's new album. It's like, what. What the fuck is going on? Right? Like, he has a Dog Pound jacket on. Lil Ceeze, if you know that whole history, right? And it's Ceeze trying to put Corrupt onto the new Ghostface album. And Corrupt is sitting there like, when this come out. Yeah, yeah, it was. It was incredible. I'd also never seen the Dog Pound perform live. Holy shit. We was all upstairs drinking a little bit. I was like, how are they going? How are they going to turn this one off? Because I could hear some mumbles and words. Yeah, it was the most professional shit I'd ever seen. I've never seen two people get so sober so quickly and put on one of the greatest performances I've ever seen.

[Baby D]

How was the sound system? Because that was one thing I was, like, thinking about the whole time. Like, what is the sound system like?

[Mall]

Truth me, the first day, it was. It was a little. A tiny bit shaky. Just because I think they switched the ship. We were a little delayed just because of that. It wasn't Rock the Bell's fault. I think it was something with Norwegian Cruise, but they made up for it pretty, pretty quickly.

[Baby D]

Okay.

[Mall]

I had never really seen Lupe perform live, and if I have, I think maybe it was opening for Kanye. Lupe is one of the better rap performers I've ever seen. Like, if you just give somebody a microphone in a DJ holds a crowd here, it sounds like you're listening to the actual song. Doesn't miss a lyric. It was incredible. Like, I can't say enough about it. The locks is the locks. We already know. Yes. That's going to go. Go Smith's flight. They flew him right to the Bahamas, as they should. He got on a kayak and made his way back to the skin.

[Baby D]

I don't think he missed the cruise. I think he meant he's like, I'm not. Fly me to the bomb.

[Mall]

I meet y' all in the bomb. Yeah, but now I was. It was just a. It was just a lot of fun. Like, I got to chop it up with Dead Prez on a panel. Like, just such random shit. Like, go upstairs about to smoke with a unnamed rapper because I don't think people know he smoked, and it's just Nappy Roots chilling there.

[Baby D]

People don't know a rapper smokes.

[Mall]

Yeah, there's a lot of rappers that pretend to be sober on the microphone, and they're not. So I just.

[Baby D]

You Know that's part of the rap aesthetic. Like, you learn how to rap before you know how to count bar. I mean, smoke before you count bars.

[Mall]

But, you know, there's some like, rappers that put out like that. They're like, they give logic that where he was like the sober rapper and they've caught him being drunk mad times. It's like, dog, no, come on. You're taking the allure out of shit.

[Baby D]

Yeah, but no, if this rapper says he doesn't smoke, then that's different.

[Mall]

That's what I'm saying. He has that perception of that perception.

[Baby D]

Or has he said he doesn't smoke.

[Mall]

He said he doesn't like that's part of his rhyme. Being dead sober. He was dead not okay.

[Baby D]

He was dead high.

[Mall]

I had a moment. You had when you told the styles peace story and sobs when you're like, he was smoking. Security guard. I was like, let me see if he's really like that. So we were upstairs, like on the highest deck where like all the talent stayed or whatever. It's like five o' clock in the morning, music is blaring. Manny Fresh is DJing just off a set that he took out of his room. He's like, I'll plug this up. It's not like they had a set there already. Security comes in, corrupts right there. He said, you better chill. Security guard went with all the aggression in the world. Was like, yo, my bad, my bad. I was like, yes, corrupt is like that.

[Baby D]

But what was he telling corrupt not to do?

[Mall]

Stop playing the music.

[Baby D]

Oh, they didn't want nobody playing music. Yeah, okay. You can't tell rappers on a Rock the Bells cruise not to play music.

[Mall]

Yo, I can. I thought, I thought I could hang. They was up. I went down at like 6 o' clock in the morning. They went to like 8am all the guys older than me, way older than me, still drinking. I don't. I cannot hang with the old folks anymore.

[Baby D]

So is this going to be a. Are they going to continue to do the cruise?

[Mall]

Yeah, I mean, this, this year went extremely well. I don't see why not.

[Baby D]

I would have to imagine the overhead is much lower.

[Mall]

Yeah, I mean, I don't know much about how cruise overhead stuff works in that regard, but I mean, it was. Every day was fucking amazing. It was just hip hop heaven the entire time. So your first cruise was successful for sure.

[Baby D]

You want to go on another one?

[Mall]

I will say I think we caught some of. Well, prayers to everyone in Jamaica. Hurricane Melissa, it completely avoided us. That was Also, why we were delayed a bit because we were trying to figure out what the weather was going to look like. We caught, like, obviously not any storm. It was clear skies, but, you know. You know how tides work. Yeah, you know, chop.

[Baby D]

Yeah, it's a little bit of chop. That's all.

[Mall]

You don't know about chop. So it was a little choppy going back to Miami. Yeah, dog, I had to do.

[Baby D]

I had to do a wamp choppy on a. On a cruise ship. Like, if you could feel that on.

[Mall]

A cruise ship, yo. Yeah, I was sitting there, shout out to my. My homegirl. Now, Brandy Denise, I wanna have her on the pod. She's very, very funny. As a special on Hulu, we hosted a wine panel the last day, dog. When I tell you, I. We were. We might as well snorted. What's that called that you take?

[Baby D]

For cocaine?

[Mall]

No, for motion sickness.

[Rory]

Oh.

[Mall]

Starts with a D. Drama. Me drop. Maybe a T. Yeah, we was ready to snort that. Oh, I was up.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Oh, wine and chop sounds.

[Mall]

I was taking one little sip, like, what'd it taste like? I don't know. Yeah, I'm gonna throw up.

[Baby D]

Yeah, that's. Yeah, that's.

[Mall]

That's.

[Baby D]

That's a bad combination.

[Mall]

But, yeah, it was the hurricane.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Yeah, it was. It was bad, But.

[Baby D]

But that's dope, though. Everybody had a good time. Like I said, a few of my friends was. Was on a cruise and stuff. I saw people posting videos, and so it looked like it was. It was dope.

[Mall]

It was a good thing.

[Rory]

You would do it again?

[Mall]

Oh, absolutely. Without question, next year, whether we're booked or not.

[Baby D]

What was the sleeping quarters like?

[Mall]

They were nice. Yeah, it was like, all right, well, I will say, I went into little brother's room. You might as well have been in fucking Trump's penthouse of how. No, I'm not. I'm not even exaggerating. I said, wait, they got this type of shit on this boat. That shit looked like a New York, you know, what's billionaires row? It looked like that. My shit was cool.

[Baby D]

Let me talk.

[Mall]

I mean, brother headline, like, two nights. So, I mean, I could see the difference. But, yeah, the 14th floor was insane as far as that.

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[Mall]

But mine, I was. I was on nine, and it was cool. It was. It was a nice hotel room. Water pressure was all right, too. That was my biggest thing. Like, I'm at the shower.

[Baby D]

What's the water pressure gonna be like?

[Mall]

Because you have to understand, like, with the amount of sunscreen I put on, I gotta Shower, like, three times a day to get all that shit off. So that was my biggest worry. But it was cool. I mean, outside of, you know, being mistaken for Paul Wall on camera.

[Baby D]

Yeah. I mean, naturally, you knew that was gonna happen on a Rock the Bells cruise.

[Rory]

You look nothing like Paul Wall. Paul Wall is hot.

[Mall]

No, but you guys. All right.

[Baby D]

Damn.

[Rory]

Well, I mean. Whoa, hold on. Okay.

[Baby D]

Damn.

[Rory]

Those are two separate statements. I'm not saying you don't look like Paul Wall. Cause you're not hot. I'm not saying you don't look like Paul Wall, period. And Paul Wall is hot. Two separate statements.

[Mall]

I don't think that was as good a cleanup as you think it was.

[Baby D]

But, yeah, I mean, I like the attempt.

[Mall]

It didn't make much sense.

[Baby D]

I tried to save it. Yeah, I get that. If you.

[Rory]

In the grammar, like, you'll get it, you know?

[Baby D]

So you're trying to.

[Mall]

That's.

[Baby D]

I feel like that's another shot. So you're trying to say we're not in the grammar.

[Rory]

No, I'm like, it's not your thing.

[Baby D]

Grammar isn't my thing.

[Rory]

Like, you're.

[Baby D]

I'll have you know I had the highest. I'll have you know I had the highest SAT score on my school. All right. When it came to that. All right. I could. One thing I could do. I may not be able to act good, but I can read. God damn it.

[Mall]

I'll have you know.

[Rory]

It's funny.

[Baby D]

I'll have you know.

[Mall]

Yeah. But no, it was a funnier backstory to that Paul Walsh because I posted on Instagram, and of course, everyone laughed, but if you knew the loser backstory to it, you would laugh even harder at me. So I was with the PR team that worked with Rock the Bells and Six Man. Put the whole thing together. So I'm at dinner with that third party PR team, just meeting everyone, schmoozing, you know, that whole thing.

[Baby D]

Yeah. Doing the thing.

[Mall]

Yeah. You know, like, so we get up after dinner and this girl approached me like, yo, like, hugging me, like, what's up? I'm your biggest fan. Love you. And in my head, I got all the PR execs behind me, and I'm like, perfect timing. It's me. Of course it's going to happen right away. Now they know. Now they know who they went to dinner with. They know what time it is pandemonium. The second I leave a table, I was like, I got you. I'll do a video for you. What's your name? What's your name? All the execs standing around, just see her go. I've been listening to Paul wall since the 90s. All of me deflated. And then I had to walk out with all those PR Exc. Next right after. After feeling like the man. It's me, man.

[Rory]

Come on.

[Mall]

These PR exects, see, they. They know who they hired.

[Baby D]

Finally got some respect on here.

[Mall]

Yeah, I should host the whole crew. You see what happens. Like, yeah, yeah. This didn't happen. When Kiss left, left the spot.

[Baby D]

She thought you was Paul Wall. Oh, my God, man.

[Mall]

But, yeah, it was fun.

[Baby D]

Dad and Peach pulled that picture up or Josh put that picture up. You look nothing like Paul.

[Mall]

Not even a little bit. Like, it's not even close. Imagine seeing, like, Paul outside without grills.

[Rory]

Paul Wall kind of look like Sean a little bit when he smile like that.

[Mall]

It's a. Yeah, it's a good call. That's a good Halloween costume for Sean.

[Baby D]

It's the hair. It's the comb over cowlick.

[Mall]

And I think with the gray beard.

[Baby D]

Yeah, yeah. And then the gray.

[Mall]

Yeah, that would be easy. Halloween costume, though. But at Paul, while was on the boat, I didn't see him. I think he did the, like, the doc party where he got off because juvenile did the same thing.

[Baby D]

Okay.

[Mall]

I was tight. I thought. I thought he was gonna be with juvie for the week. I was just waiting.

[Baby D]

But he just performed on the island because.

[Mall]

All right, so you dock and you leave, like, late that night. So there's the day everyone boards, gets situated. Because getting a bunch of people on a cruise ship is very difficult. It's not like getting a plane. So they do a party that night, and then everyone goes to sleep, and then they leave. Like, you wake up and you're in the ocean. Okay, so people that performed that day just got off the boat, like, treated it just like a Miami got you performance or whatever.

[Baby D]

Okay.

[Mall]

But, you know, I was. I was hoping Jubie was going to be on the boat the whole time. That would have been hilarious, baby.

[Baby D]

D, how much do you care about the hotel rooms when you go on vacation?

[Rory]

That's the most important thing.

[Mall]

It's the most important.

[Baby D]

That side. I'm on that side, too. Like, I've never understood how people say they don't care about the room. Like, as long as, like, the resort is nice. And I'm like, no. And you know how sometimes you don't want to, like, jump into a conversation for, like, you, the outcast. Because I'm like, wait, y' all don't care about the room at all. Like, I'm. If I go on vacation and the room is trash, I'm pissed off.

[Rory]

Yeah, it ruins the whole vacation.

[Baby D]

Yeah, my vacation is ruined. How much some people like, oh, I only need the room to sleep and shower. I'm like, not on vacation, though. Vacation. You need a nice room, comfortable, you know, everything is weird.

[Rory]

Who house be dirty.

[Baby D]

Read the signs.

[Rory]

Like, I can't. Like, also. And I want to do that. Let me stop as jokes. A lot of people are, like, excursioners. They want to, like, excursion. I like to sleep on vacation. I sleep and I relax. So, yes, the room is very important. But I can understand that for somebody who wants to leave the room the entire. But still, you still gotta come back and sleep. Like, you not comfy. Like, the bed's not. I don't know.

[Baby D]

I was out yesterday. I had went out, but I was out later than I expected. So I'm on my way back home. So I'm like, yeah, man, I get to shower. Just go right to sleep. This is like when you know you're an adult. What do y' all think happened yourself? No, realized on my way home that I had to make my bed when I got in.

[Rory]

That's the worst.

[Baby D]

Oh, dog. Y' all need to understand that ruined night.

[Mall]

Wait, like, sheets off completely.

[Baby D]

Bed was bare.

[Mall]

Oh, that's the worst.

[Rory]

That's the worst.

[Mall]

I actually just recently saw a funny meme.

[Baby D]

My God. Y' all don't understand. Like, I'm on the way home, and I'm like, yo, I gotta go make a bed. As an. Like, that's one of the worst. Like, you be out having a good time, and on your way home, you realize, like, oh, like.

[Rory]

But that's why you can't do that, though. You can't. You can't.

[Baby D]

Oh, my. That my night up. I'm gonna be real with y'.

[Mall]

All.

[Baby D]

That little. That little thing. My entire night up, I've been there. Like, I made that bed up so upset. I don't even know if the right sheets is on the bed right now.

[Mall]

That's how it was there. It was just a big hoodie.

[Baby D]

I was like, yo, what the. I was this close to doing some ignorant. And sleeping, like, on a bed bed with just like. Like, wrap yourself in the blanket.

[Mall]

I've done that more than once before.

[Baby D]

Yeah, I was on that type of time. I was like, yo, I ain't gonna lie. Like, getting out the shower. And do you make the bed before you get in the shower?

[Mall]

After you got the shower you gotta do it before.

[Baby D]

No, hell no.

[Mall]

My dirty ass body is not touching the cheeks. Yeah.

[Baby D]

No, I gotta be after baby D.

[Rory]

The whole whole body touching the sheets. Like just wash your hands and make.

[Mall]

I gotta duvet cover. You gotta tie. I gotta get inside.

[Baby D]

Yeah, no, you.

[Mall]

I gotta dig through the trenches.

[Rory]

You don't know.

[Mall]

I gotta do the army crawl in.

[Baby D]

My duvet cover out. He said he gets in the duvet.

[Mall]

Straight pull it out like this. You don't.

[Baby D]

Yeah, I forgot you said that's.

[Mall]

That's the only way I do it to this day. I have to Lieutenant Dan my whole duvet to do it properly. Cuz I got to do the ties like. No. I turn into a Navy SEAL when I do that.

[Baby D]

Oh my God. I forgot you said you. That's how you made change the du cover.

[Rory]

Yo.

[Baby D]

Crawling inside the duvet is wild.

[Mall]

It's like a challenge.

[Baby D]

Yeah. So that was my small inconvenience that almost ruined my night. I was like, God damn it. There's nothing worse than going home after hanging out and you realize I gotta clean up. I gotta straighten up.

[Mall]

Nothing's worse than coming home from vacation. Your house isn't clean.

[Baby D]

Oh, you can't go on vacation with a dirty house.

[Mall]

You didn't? No, I didn't.

[Baby D]

No.

[Mall]

I'd done that many times. But I've gotten to the age now where I'm going on the rock the Bell's mature cruise. I'm cleaning my whole crib. So when I get home, duvet cover already crawled through it.

[Baby D]

Everything is good. Everything that's. It's crazy how you like that's something you're not told. Like you just have. You pick up on that as you get older. I gotta make sure everything is straight. There's nothing worse than coming back from vacation and your house is a mess. That's the worst shit ever.

[Mall]

No, there's a funny meme that I just recently saw. It's funny that you brought that up of it was a guy and a girl that looked like they was a couple and he was standing up on a couch with a bottle and she's looking up at him and says he doesn't know. We haven't put the sheets on the bed yet.

[Baby D]

Oh my. In the club, that shit hit you and you in the. Oh, now we get in a hotel room.

[Rory]

We get a hotel room at that.

[Mall]

Point, there's no hotel room room.

[Rory]

We hit the hotel room, bro, I'm not going home.

[Mall]

First world.

[Baby D]

We staying in the city. We staying at a hotel like, that's crazy. Just go make the bed up it. Yeah, that's crazy. Being in the club and you realize you got to make the bed when you. Nah, that's wild. That's. That's why that'll your whole night up. I'm sober after that.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

No matter how much I was drinking, I'm sober.

[Mall]

Did you guys do anything for Halloween?

[Baby D]

No, we was. Oh, no, Halloween was Friday. I. No, I didn't do for Halloween.

[Rory]

Mm.

[Mall]

Mm.

[Baby D]

It didn't even feel like Halloween, honestly. Like, you don't know.

[Rory]

It didn't until I went outside. I went outside, and then, like, I saw, like, a man in a Flintstone costume, no shoes. I said, oh, you took this shit all the way. You committed to the bit. No shoes in bed Stuy, Brooklyn.

[Mall]

Mm.

[Baby D]

I don't.

[Rory]

Was he Flintstone costume? No, he was just a regular white dude.

[Baby D]

Were you sure that was. He was a Flintstone? Or was he unhoused?

[Rory]

No.

[Mall]

Yeah. Was he just on and he's having to have on some rabbity orange shit?

[Rory]

No, he had, like, the real, like, the little tie. Like, he had the Flintstone costume on.

[Mall]

I think it. I think it just happened to be Halloween. That's what I'm going with.

[Baby D]

Barefoot is crazy. And the streets was flooded, like, the day before. Like, what you doing, yo?

[Rory]

Rough.

[Mall]

So they gave me a 250, like, spa certificate.

[Baby D]

Oh, you definitely use that.

[Mall]

When I arrived, right? And I was doing shit for, like, the first three days, I didn't have, like, much time to go use it. So I tried to use it on the last day, and most of the shit was already booked, so they had, like, this. This, like, select five thing where you get a facial pause, calf and foot massage, forearm, hand, whatever. Like, I couldn't get the full rub down. There's only a few slides left. And there was this very kind Indian gentleman that was the only one that was left, but they didn't give me a name until I sat down. So I'm already in the chair. I got the towel mall, and I think I have nerve damage in my right forearm. So, like, I'm like, I need this. I've never asked. I'll just say this. Really gentle hands. That Indian man had his way with me in the most gentle way.

[Rory]

You had to make it gayer, yo.

[Baby D]

There's no way I'm letting no man massage me, dog. It's not happening. His name is not Gary Vito. What's the. What's the legendary Laker trainer Gary Veto, if that ain't if you ain't him, don't touch me, dog. Like, you ain't rubbing me down. You kidding me?

[Mall]

And mind you, he put. He put the Gary Vee.

[Baby D]

Only Gary Feedy could massage me. Nah, he massaged Kobe.

[Mall]

That man massage mustache on your neck.

[Baby D]

That man massage Kobe. He can massage me. No other man is touching me.

[Mall]

So I had the. Not even, like, the cucumber whatever, like, lotion things they put over. Over your eyes. And he's rubbing my forearm, and I can feel him right here. Like, so where are you from? I was like, oh.

[Baby D]

He started asking. He started. He was trying to get to know you.

[Mall]

Like, where my AirPods at? He did a phenomenal job. Like, I would have felt weirder if it was bad. Like, just letting a man rub you down and it was bad.

[Baby D]

Only thing worse than a man rubbing you down is a man rubbing your girl down. Like, when y' all get the couple massage.

[Mall]

Oh, no, I always. I always say two women.

[Baby D]

Like.

[Mall]

I'm just saying this is the first time I've never had to request.

[Sponsor Voice]

Yeah, but that.

[Baby D]

But, like, letting a man massage you is. I don't care. I'm not that. Like, my body. I'm cool. I'm cool.

[Sponsor Voice]

All right.

[Mall]

In my situation, though, I'm committed. I waited an hour to put the appointment. I sat down, they gave me the towel, like, got me all situated. By the time he walked up, like, if I would have been like, nah, nah, nah. How would I have fucking looked?

[Baby D]

Using your drawers?

[Mall]

No, I was fully clothed. It was just.

[Baby D]

It was spa. I don't know.

[Mall]

But I said I couldn't get the full rub down because it wasn't available, all the bookings.

[Baby D]

So you just massaged your form?

[Mall]

My forearms, my hands, my cat.

[Baby D]

My forearms ain't never been that tight.

[Rory]

I don't know.

[Mall]

I kind of felt like it would have been better if I was, like, half naked in my back.

[Rory]

Yeah, like a. Just rubbing your arms down is crazy. I'm not gonna hold you.

[Mall]

It was crazier. I was like, yep, right there.

[Baby D]

And your forearms ain't even that tense.

[Mall]

No, I think I have, like, nerve damage. For real. My right arm.

[Baby D]

Oh, so he got you, right?

[Mall]

No, it's still there. But, like, he eased it for at least a day. He has a returning customer. Like, I need to go back.

[Baby D]

I ain't letting no man massage.

[Mall]

Yeah, but what would you have done in that? Like, I'm committed.

[Baby D]

It's the last day.

[Mall]

Go home. You're telling me I should get up with the towel? Everything.

[Baby D]

I'd have been like, yo, I didn't know y' all don't have any, you know, the other gender available.

[Rory]

The other genders sick.

[Baby D]

If not, I'm cool. I don't need. Like, I never was like, oh, my forms are so. I've never went home and was like, oh, somebody would just like, be like, my form. My Mark McGuire. What the are you talking. What's wrong with your forearms, bro? My forearms? Ain't never.

[Mall]

You'd be surprised in your hands and your forearms. Especially with the computers.

[Baby D]

The Somebody starts.

[Mall]

It's a lot of, like, tense pressure here.

[Baby D]

No, I get that. But I mean, just a man doing that is just like.

[Mall]

Even my. The masseuse I use in la, Tracy, like, the first time she got to my forearms, I was like, oh, I've never gotten a real massage before. I've never had my forearms, like, feel this. This tense and the bottom of my feet. So, I mean, listen, man, I'm not gonna say his name because you guys would think I'm lying and racist. Yeah, but, you know, homie did a good job.

[Baby D]

Could have been at 7:11. Got it, baby. D, what's up, man?

[Rory]

You made that so racist. How could have been at 7:11?

[Baby D]

We know that they cornered the market at 7:11. You can't get a Dutchman.

[Rory]

The Popeyes in the Dunkin Donuts, too, but we ain't gonna talk about that.

[Baby D]

Popeyes, Dunkin Donuts, Baskin Robbins, they all of that. Paul A telling y', all, a few episodes ago, they got that whole Popeyes on.

[Mall]

Francis Lewis is all Indian now. That be hitting like, it doesn't even taste like the Popeyes you usually get, like, it's incredible. Yeah, they putting their own ingredients. Curry Popeyes, Francis Lewis, curry Popeyes, Francis Lewis, and Jamaica Avenue. The corner, you'll see a Popeyes. It's ran only by Indians, and that hits.

[Baby D]

They'll have Biscuit. They had rock.

[Mall]

We should be so lucky. Give it a year. Give it a year. I guarantee you get rotated. Oh, my God. But they had a. They had a Halloween night on the boat. Some people participated, some didn't. But, you know, there was, like, 10 little Kims on there, all with the titty out. So, you know, we was all happy in that regard. Every corner you took, it was just another little Kim.

[Rory]

It was some baddies there.

[Mall]

Yeah, they was, you know, of age.

[Rory]

Of age, of your age.

[Mall]

No, I might. No, there were some people my age.

[Baby D]

He was, like, the youngest person on the boat.

[Mall]

No, there was other talent. That was my age, but yeah, it was. I was probably the youngest person. But it's like youthful people.

[Baby D]

Okay.

[Rory]

Youthful older people. I love that. Those. Those are my favorite older people.

[Mall]

Everyone on the 14th floor out drank me, and then they would spry in the morning. Kiss hit me like, you got some roll up. Like, how are you awake?

[Baby D]

I just left y'.

[Caller Dan]

All.

[Baby D]

Like, 6am is 9. Niggas is up.

[Mall]

And not that. Not that Ceeze ever needs anyone to take care of him, because that's a grown ass, man. But I do want to say it was beautiful to watch KISS bring Ceeze on that boat to be the surprise guest for the lock set. Like, if you listen a letter to Big by Kiss and like, talking to his friend, then I'm going to take care of your people. Not in that type of way. They're grown men. They can take care of themselves. But Kiss being like, all right, if you booking us seas is our surprise guests and we getting Caesar baggage.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Like, again, Caesar's own man. I don't want to make it sound like that, but I just thought that was beautiful to see. Like, if I'm going C's going, like.

[Baby D]

It'S up that they still have a relationship.

[Mall]

Yeah, I thought that was great.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Because when we doctor was like, wait, is that Lucy's? And I didn't see him on the bill, and kids was like, yeah, we bringing him out for our. And I was like, see, that's. That's the type of I like. Yeah, that's same way we saw about mass appeal. Same way. I want to talk about Kiss. Like, that's what you're supposed to do is take care of your peers.

[Baby D]

Yeah. Kiss always been that guy, though.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Like, you never heard no foul stories about the locks, period. Put styles in there, put chic in there. You've never heard any negative stories about either one of those guys. It's always nothing but solid stories and good energy whenever you around those guys. So, you know, shouts to the locks.

[Mall]

The funniest shit was so behind the stage, right? That's where all the Trump penthouse shit is. Like, it's the curtains to their rooms and shit. So during juvie, I don't think. I think Sheik thought it was like a. Like a tinted shit. Like you couldn't see the people there, but you could see the silhouette, and it was clearly Sheik. So it's Kiss. It's the real me all, like, trying to wave Sheik down to let everyone, like, we could see you before you start doing It.

[Baby D]

We could see you before you start doing anything crazy.

[Mall]

Jeff and Eric have a video of Kiss just, like, in the crate. Crowd trying to wave chic down. Like, everyone could see you.

[Baby D]

And then she looking like, who are they waving at?

[Mall]

Like, he was just sitting there, like, bobbing his head to the juvie, who's like, if he better not do no crazy because he could be seen.

[Rory]

That's so funny.

[Baby D]

Yeah, that would have been crazy. That would have been a crazy story.

[Mall]

But no, it was a great time. Shout out to rock the bells. Six man Norwegian cruise. I tried to. I tried to link with. With the six God. But, you know, I was busy. Okay.

[Baby D]

All right, cool. I think he was, too, but he.

[Mall]

Wanted me to slide through it. You know, I. To do.

[Baby D]

No, no, you got things.

[Mall]

Yeah. I don't even think we were remotely close to the same.

[Baby D]

No, not at all.

[Mall]

But the Bombers is nice. It was a nice a. I guess, redemption story of everything that happened with when Miki and Amara tried to go. Because I've never been in the Bahamas.

[Baby D]

Yeah, so. So this time around, it was better.

[Mall]

Yeah. I mean, I know he actually made it to the Bahamas.

[Rory]

You were there for, like. Y' all were docked at the Bahamas for how many days?

[Mall]

Just a day.

[Rory]

Oh, okay.

[Mall]

But it was cool. I mean, yeah, I got to have fun, for sure, but. No, it was. It was a fun time for sure. But yeah, if you guys have no Halloween recaps. I was baby shark. I'm sorry? Daddy shark and baby shark. Oh, that was my Halloween.

[Rory]

Very cute.

[Baby D]

Daddy shark.

[Mall]

Yeah, I'm dead. Like, it's a thing. I didn't, like, come up with that in, like, a weird way.

[Baby D]

That's part of the baby shark thing. Yes, it's a daddy shark.

[Mall]

Daddy shark. Dude, I don't want to get flagged on YouTube. They're worse than Universal. I don't even want to. I don't even want to sing that. That melody. But, yeah, it's the whole thing. So we did that. And even this morning. Amara, can we go trick or treating?

[Baby D]

It's over.

[Mall]

It was a day.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Just one day.

[Baby D]

Yeah, it's over.

[Mall]

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[Mall]

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[Baby D]

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[Mall]

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[Mall]

But a ton of music came out on Friday.

[Baby D]

The Big L album dropped.

[Mall]

Yes.

[Baby D]

Mass Appeal release that we was waiting on.

[Mall]

Once again, Mass Appeal batting a thousand.

[Baby D]

Listen, man, I don't know who got a Mass Appeal pissed off in the last two years, but they decided they was gonna put their foot on the gas and not let up at all.

[Mall]

Yeah, I mean, damn. I felt like after the big Picture, we didn't have any more like Big L versus just chilling around. And clearly I was wrong. I mean, some had been like, leaked a little bit, but with new production. But this is, again, it's a no skip album from Mass Appeal. Like, there's not. There's not one thing on here that I would skip over. Even though I've listened to seven Minute Freestyle a thousand times, hearing it in like a sequence was incredible. I mean, this is. Is Big L the biggest what if to you.

[Baby D]

In rap? Yeah. Not gonna. Maybe. Unfortunately, you know, his. His passing so young, we didn't get the full Big L, you know, glimpse of his career and things like that. But I don't know if he's the biggest because it was my thing is, again, we lost Big L. It's guys that we didn't lose that still never did nothing with their talent. So to me, that would be a bigger.

[Mall]

Like I'm saying, on the death side of things. Like, of course BIG and Pac are huge what ifs, but we did get, what, three or four Pac albums. One being a double disc. We got a double disc and first album from Big. Like, obviously they're what ifs, but we got like bodies of work from the Mac Miller who's on this. Like, yes, he's a huge what if to me. Cause I don't even think he even came remotely close to the musicianship that he was going to eventually have. But we got a lot of music from him. Pun. We just got one album from. So I have him up there as well. But Big L, like, we got one real album, then we got the big picture after that. He was gonna sign a Rockefeller. Clearly, his style is very easily digestible and can move around. Like, there's even girl records on the shit that don't sound weird to Elle.

[Baby D]

Right?

[Mall]

His. His flow and deliveries is so straight to the point. Like, anyone can hear it and get into it. To me, he's a huge what if. Like, he could have navigated through every single sound to me because he was that good. Whereas there's a lot of other people that are unorthodox. Like, they could only work in the time that they were there. Like, I think l could work now on. On those same trap drums that everyone raps on. Like, kill that. Like.

[Baby D]

But when you say what ifs, I. I'm. I'm leaning towards the guys that are still here that never did nothing.

[Mall]

I'm saying the. The death what ifs. Okay, that's. That's all I'm getting at then.

[Baby D]

Yeah, definitely. Big L is. Is one of the biggest ones that, you know, we obviously lost way too soon, who had tremendous talent. Like you said, even now, today, his style, his rhymes, everything, it's. It doesn't feel out of place in this era of hip hop. So, yeah, he's definitely high on that list of. You know what I mean? Like, if we had more time with. With him, the things that he would have been doing. But the album is the album. They did a great job, though.

[Mall]

Really, really good.

[Baby D]

You know how I feel about Will. We both feel the same way about the posthumous albums and, like, you know, don't ruin it. Like, it's so such a sensitive thing. But they definitely did right by it.

[Mall]

Yeah, they didn't. Biggie Duets the Beats, like.

[Baby D]

Yeah, right, right.

[Mall]

It felt like a L album, you know, the same way they did with the Mobb Deep one, but, you know, that one we had more trust in because Havoc and Alchemists who were there.

[Baby D]

Right. You know, still hands on with it.

[Mall]

Yeah. So I. I can't say enough about that. I did listen to the DJ Premiere and Ransom Project 7 records straight to the point. What? Like, what. What more do you need than Ransom in his highest form? And DJ Premier beats like Ransom.

[Baby D]

He been on a. He been on a run for how many years now? Like, he's not letting up at all.

[Mall]

Yeah, he's Just getting better at this point. Yeah. Forgiveness, survivors, remorse, reinvention is fire on there. I like that they add. Added the rap radar shit into that. I would have liked them to put the whole rat radar interview in the track list. Like, I think that would have been cool. They added just a snippet on the third part. I think that would have been cool to put that like whole episode.

[Baby D]

How'd you feel about that? Seeing B Dot and Elliot?

[Mall]

I think they came. They came together for two people that deserved it, which is Ransom and DJ Premier. I'm curious what behind the scenes, how that that came together. But we gotta beat out on and ask them.

[Baby D]

You think, you think they spoke to each other?

[Mall]

I mean, on the mic they did or you're saying that it was AI or they shot their parts separately like Pacino.

[Baby D]

I could promise you that's not what happened. Something. But do you think that Elliot and B Dot, like, you know, when the cameras weren't rolling, like, do you think there was any conversation? Do you think it was like, you know, awkward?

[Mall]

I don't think it was awkward. I'm sure they obviously did pre production prior to. But in between. No, I don't think there was probably like full blown conversation. But both of them have even said that they were never like close, close friends.

[Baby D]

Right.

[Mall]

I don't even know if there was really conversation. The years before, like, like, let's break for a second. And they was like talking to each other like best friends and joking and shit. So I mean, it's good to see them back together.

[Baby D]

Yeah, it was cool.

[Mall]

But I am curious what led up to that.

[Baby D]

Like, I mean, I think it was, I think it was Ransom. I think Ransom reached out and was like, you know, he wanted, he wanted them to do it. So obviously they, you know, they have a relationship. So for Ransom, they made it happen.

[Mall]

Yeah, but no, Ran is going crazy on that. He said the brooch is moving, the light come on because it's in the anatomy. I was like, all right, that bar is Ransom. What's up with you?

[Baby D]

Yeah, man, he's just sitting around. That's what you're thinking about. That's what you write that.

[Mall]

But there's so many layers to that part. What else? Miguel Chaos, which we had him on and we had listened to it prior. I'm gonna be that hipster. Like, oh, you guys are finally getting that album.

[Baby D]

Yeah, that's old. Like that old thing. Like had that for a month now.

[Mall]

I didn't really get a moment to see what the reaction to the fans were on that. That side because again, of the service thing. But I like the direction that Miguel took on it. I still feel it's good music.

[Baby D]

Yeah, it's good music. And Miguel, obviously, you know, vocally he's gonna do it, but it's. I like the sound. I like the energy. He used a lot of, you know, like more electric guitar. Normal. It's not as, you know, heavy R B, but there's r B on there.

[Mall]

Yeah. Alternative.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Rock side pause. Lloyd Banks Halloween Havoc Part 6 that's getting up there with. With one of my favorite banks series, Halloween havoc, which is saying something. I don't know if it could pass more money in the bank or cold corner, but it's getting there. This. This one's crazy. I don't know if you had time to listen to it, but changed up is probably my favorite record on there.

[Baby D]

I didn't hear the banks one yet.

[Mall]

It's. It's. Listen, man, I. I repeat myself every time. But mature banks is the best. Banks. You save me the punchline, king. Give. Give me 40 year old banks.

[Baby D]

You like this. This style of rapping better?

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah. It's a grown adult that has elite level bars instead of just using them just for pun. There's punch lines on here, don't get me wrong. But not. I prefer this. This type of banks at this point in my life. Daniel Caesar. Did you guys talk about that?

[Baby D]

No. I mean, I don't think j. Do you listen to Daniel Caesar?

[Rory]

I do. I used to, but not religiously. Like, if he drops, I'm not running to it like giveon. But he's very talented.

[Baby D]

I didn't know you wanted to give you.

[Rory]

Oh, I run the Givion Toxic.

[Mall]

Toxic. Oh, we discovered that in that clip.

[Rory]

You cool?

[Baby D]

Are you cool?

[Mall]

Why are you mad at me? First I wasn't even here.

[Rory]

Now.

[Sponsor Voice]

Oh, please.

[Rory]

He gonna throw this out every five seconds. I wasn't even here.

[Baby D]

How's everything at?

[Rory]

Everything at home is fine.

[Baby D]

Everything at the home front is good. Everything's steady.

[Rory]

Everything is fine. N are happy. Overjoyed. So that's why when the comments were. We were sitting up there giggling at the comments like, oh, he need to leave her.

[Baby D]

That's the best. Y' all giggling at the comments together.

[Rory]

Where are you going?

[Baby D]

Playing footsies.

[Mall]

That's always fun.

[Baby D]

Yeah. Fuck, he ain't going nowhere. He never wanted a reduction from scratch.

[Mall]

Did so did you have to get ahead of that because I know he does. He's like not on the Internet like that he doesn't pay attention to the ball.

[Rory]

Yeah, he did not see that.

[Mall]

Is that one of those. When it started to get viral, you had to be like, hey babe, lol. Look what they're doing.

[Rory]

No. Okay. He would have never saw it, but I wanted him to hear the poem. Cuz the poem had bars shout out to Jarvis.

[Mall]

He went crazy with that.

[Rory]

Yeah, the poem had bar. Somebody called him Lil Crit and that.

[Mall]

That was little Crit for sure.

[Rory]

Sent me to the moon. So I let him hear.

[Baby D]

And I like the way Baby D boyfriend say he ain't on the Internet. That nigga's on the Internet?

[Rory]

No, he's on the Internet. He just don't pay enough attention to like that. And then once I got on his podcast, he was like, I've seen clips before, but once I started dating you, I scroll past them now. Yeah, because what you gonna do? Listen to a clip that might piss you off when you know like the reality don't listen.

[Baby D]

There's no way he's scrolling past. He looking. He looking at them clips more than.

[Rory]

When you talk to somebody 12 hours a day, all the time. You're not watching them.

[Baby D]

Your lady would do.

[Rory]

That's what.

[Baby D]

Right. That's what any nigga's doing.

[Rory]

I'm telling you.

[Baby D]

I'm telling you. Yeah. I'm telling you what men do. Like, yeah, absolutely. That's my lady. Yeah, I need to. She pop up my time. I need to see. I need to see what's going on.

[Sponsor Voice]

See.

[Rory]

No. If I was dating a podcaster, I would scroll past their clips too.

[Baby D]

No.

[Rory]

Yes, I would. Yes I would. I don't, I don't want to. Because sometimes our job is cringe. Like sometimes our job can come off as cringe. And when your dates was like, I don't want to see that.

[Baby D]

Yeah, but anything could be cringe. You could be in the house and you say do something in the house and that like.

[Rory]

Yeah, but you don't have a. You have a choice. Like this is a choice. If I was dating a male podcast, I just play. I don't hear that. I don't want to hear you be entertaining. I'm cool. So the same thing like when your do it being too funny. It's like you not that funny. Like I don't make other people.

[Mall]

I mean being himself, just being himself around other people.

[Rory]

Why are you entertaining people like that?

[Baby D]

What's something that women do? Because I, I like, I know how men act like once women are in the room. But like what do Women. What are some things y' all do like that only y' all would notice about each other when, like, men walk in the room? Like, men, like, we'll start doing, like, you know, trying to be, like, extra, like, just loud and obnoxious. Some men. But, like, what do women do?

[Rory]

Women do this. So women do the same thing. But we hate this girl. Like, the cool girls. We hate this bitch. The girl that when men get around, their voices get like this. Suddenly their voices are so high, and I'm like, why is your voice so fucking high, bitch? You sound like Lola Brooke. Any other time.

[Baby D]

I don't know if I ever noticed.

[Mall]

That the eyelashes be going way crazier than they were before. Yeah, they just. A lot of blinking.

[Baby D]

A lot of blinking. I've noticed the blinking thing.

[Mall]

But there's subtle shit like that. And then there's also. What's cardi b boyfriend name?

[Rory]

Stefan.

[Mall]

That video, when he was on the boat and they were surrounding him, touching his knee and elbow. That's the extreme version.

[Rory]

Oh, them bitches were.

[Mall]

That's like, when men start dirty macking of, like, saying like, yo, isn't that my coat? Or don't you owe me money?

[Baby D]

Like, isn't that my coat? Is crazy. Yelling that out. Isn't that my coat?

[Mall]

Like, the woman's version of that. With men, like, when you start dirty macking your own friends, when there's. There's women.

[Rory]

Yeah, they do that. They do that shit too.

[Mall]

Like, for women, I think it's. It's the knees and the elbows and, like, touching your. Your form. Like, oh, did you order that? And it's like.

[Rory]

Or your friends say something and they'll be like, girl, like, they just, like, try to. It's just nasty. It's nasty.

[Mall]

Or. You know what I love the most is when the girl that does too much gets around a guy that she hasn't met and be like, this bitch is doing too much. You always do too much.

[Rory]

You queen do too much. Now you.

[Mall]

So now you. Now you sitting down, like, you above all the shit that's going on around you.

[Rory]

Yeah. Yep. I hate. I hate shit like that is one of my biggest pet peeves. I can't be around.

[Baby D]

I gotta pay attention to that. I never noticed that. Like, with women. Yeah.

[Rory]

Cause you be falling for it. That's why.

[Baby D]

Nah, but I just don't. I just. It's just funny, like, to know that women do. Cause you. I'm paying attention to what the guys is doing. Like, that's my focus. Like, yes, Pause.

[Mall]

I have an Indian masseuse, if you'd like one.

[Baby D]

No, I'm. I'm cool. I'm cool on the Indian masseuse. But, yeah, like, I just. You know, it's just funny to see when women walk in, like, just start watching what the guys start doing. Like, that's what I'm on.

[Rory]

Or who. They just got to keep going. So they got to keep getting up and going to the bathroom so they could walk past them. They just gotta walk past. They gotta structure.

[Baby D]

We appreciate them.

[Mall]

That's a parade.

[Rory]

Sit your ass down.

[Mall]

We just looking at the floats.

[Baby D]

That's a parade.

[Mall]

We love when both y' all go to the bathroom.

[Baby D]

Yeah, like, that's it. That's. Yeah, that's a train. Like, yo, look, you don't want to.

[Mall]

Go with your homegirl to the bathroom. She gotta be safe, right?

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

All of y' all can walk to the bathroom together. We don't mind that. Yeah.

[Rory]

And there's also the. The pick me girls, which are somehow worse than the annoying girls. The pick me girls that'll be like, yeah, I mean, she a hoe. Like, you could. Her dumb. The one that tries to act like the home as the homie, the real homie. The that try to act like the homie to, like, their friends out or be like, oh, yeah, she a ho. She going this, this and that, and, like, paint themselves as wifey material. Y' all all here together. You are a hoe, too.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Tweet, tweet.

[Mall]

You weren't talking to me again at all. That's your friend.

[Baby D]

Would you go on the Pop the Balloon show?

[Rory]

We had this conversation.

[Baby D]

We did.

[Rory]

Yes. And I told you no then and it's no now. I told you the only way I would do that is if I was going as a parody. Like, if I was going for entertainment purposes. Thinking I' ma sit up there and stand up there for to rate me is the sickest.

[Baby D]

Some of the funniest, crazy as that. Watching that is, like, one of my favorite things.

[Mall]

We tried to do that on the live show with you. I just. Me and Peach went and bought the balloon. I went to a party city in Toronto to do that. I bought Canadian balloons.

[Baby D]

Yo, that is just funny. Just like you. You asking for somebody to just go up there and just, like, break you down in front of, like, a bunch of people. Like, yeah, why you don't. Why'd you pop your balloon? I'm not really feeling her feet. Like, damn. Like, it's mad people that can see this.

[Rory]

Which.

[Mall]

You'd be hilarious on that because you noticed, like, weird and funny. Like, to me, that show starts to get played out when it's like, a guy comes on and she possibly. Like, he's not 6 5. It's like, that's not. That's in the last six months of that show. Yeah, you'd be hilarious finding out, like, yo, your second toe goes past your first toe. And I don't fuck with that.

[Baby D]

Yeah. I ain't gonna lie. I'm trying to get out of that, man. I can't be like. I can't be that petty anymore. Like, those years behind me.

[Mall]

Yeah, but on YouTube, it'd be funny.

[Baby D]

Oh, yeah.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Like, just. If I'm trying to be funny.

[Mall]

No, we were out. Yeah. I would look at you, be insane. Like, we were just chilling at dinner. Like, yo, what's. Yo, you'll be single forever.

[Baby D]

Yeah, I can't do that.

[Mall]

But I'm surprised you haven't, like, ran into the. The extra chick that tries to not be extra around you. I'm shocked because you're the very calm in the corner person. I feel like that girl would do that with you. And. No, the extra girl pretends not to be extra because she realizes you're kind of low key.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Like, she'll be at that spot every Wednesday and be like, I'm so over this, bitch. You're here every Wednesday?

[Baby D]

Yeah. They got you on the road.

[Mall]

You're not over this. You were excited on your story today, getting ready for this.

[Baby D]

He was promoting this? Yeah.

[Mall]

You listen to west side album? I didn't get a chance.

[Baby D]

I saw west side. I went to the Conway show Thursday.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Baby D]

Shout out to Conway. Wes was there, so I saw where. Shout out to Wes, shout out to Chase, shout out to Skis, shout out to Flea shooter.

[Mall]

So.

[Baby D]

So a lot of the guys that I ain't see in a minute, but it was good to see Con where he got some new. Some new heat coming, new music coming.

[Mall]

But.

[Baby D]

Yeah, I didn't hear the the Gun album yet, though.

[Mall]

Got you. How does. How does one get that. Get that nickname Shooter?

[Baby D]

You shoot your shot.

[Mall]

Set the spot.

[Baby D]

Shoot your shot.

[Mall]

Watches the parade.

[Baby D]

Yeah, that's it. Shoot your shot. That's all. That's how they. That's how they. That's how they crown you.

[Mall]

Shoot it. I get it.

[Baby D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mall]

Well, I saw on Friday that the Grammys were going to announce all the categories.

[Baby D]

Grammy schmammies.

[Mall]

And then there was one specific category that was being split. Grammys will announce nominations next week. Following Beyonce's historic win as the first black woman to win best country album, the category has been retired and split into two. Best contemporary country album in parentheses, black dominated, and best traditional country album in parentheses.

[Baby D]

Yes.

[Mall]

White dominated.

[Baby D]

More segregation.

[Mall]

I'm sure the Grammys didn't put black dominated and white dominated in parentheses, more segregation. This is from pop fusion hq.

[Baby D]

Keep that contemporary country over there. Y' all don't even wear wranglers. I don't know nothing about wranglers in a Ford Bronco.

[Mall]

You don't know Brett Favre's volleyball team.

[Baby D]

Yeah, you don't know. I don't know.

[Mall]

You've never been to a game.

[Baby D]

Keep that contemporary country over there. Don't come over here with Johnny Cash in them. You ain't Johnny Cash.

[Mall]

All right. Do we think that Cowboy Carter would have been in contemporary country album this year if the years were switched?

[Rory]

Of course it would have.

[Mall]

What about that is a contemporary?

[Baby D]

I don't even know. That's not considered a country album.

[Mall]

It's not a traditional country. Traditional. She went out of her way to make a traditional country album.

[Baby D]

This is just more like. Just bullshit with the music industry.

[Mall]

And, yeah, I get, like, Shaboozi has experimented, and I could see that type of stuff. But, I mean, we know what this is.

[Baby D]

Of course we do.

[Mall]

Black country artists are smoking, y'.

[Baby D]

All.

[Mall]

So we gotta split it up.

[Baby D]

We gotta split it up. It's not gonna be fair. Here we come, taking back our sound. First of all, we gotta get into that.

[Rory]

We got it.

[Baby D]

It's our music.

[Mall]

So. So you don't find it funny when Maga says we need to take back our country?

[Baby D]

Yeah, I do find that funny.

[Mall]

It was never y' all to begin with.

[Sponsor Voice]

Very funny.

[Baby D]

Yeah, but this is. That's. That's what this is. It's like, come on, man. Cut the bro. Like it's 20, 25. Let's just all be honest. Like. Like, it's okay. Like, I just think that everybody kind of, like, is, you know, trying to walk on eggshells. Just have the conversation. Contemporary country album.

[Mall]

Okay, I do. I know why they did this. And it's a direct response to what happened with Beyonce.

[Baby D]

Absolutely.

[Mall]

With that said, I do like that they have split up categories within R B and other genres. Like, I like that there's a traditional R B category. I like that there's a contemporary R B, alternative art. Like, I like that they're doing Sub Gen because it does give artists that don't make, you know, the highest form of R and B right now, gives them a chance to be recognized. Now, I know that's not what they're doing here.

[Baby D]

No.

[Mall]

But I do like the contemporary categories in a lot of other genres. Matter of fact, I think rap should be split up in sub genres for Grammys. I don't think it should just be rap album of the year.

[Baby D]

It definitely needs to be.

[Mall]

I, like. I think it's great that, like, you know, Gibbs and Alchemist are nominated. Royce gets like, I think all that shit is great. But some years it's like, the real what should be a rap album isn't even nominated. So I do think these subcategories are cool. Like, I'm not mad at. I just know what this one is.

[Baby D]

This is.

[Mall]

This is the whites being upset. That's what that is.

[Baby D]

If this was. If this. If this happened before Beyonce's album.

[Rory]

Yep.

[Mall]

I'd be. I'd be like, all right, cool.

[Baby D]

Like, okay, cool. They trying to, you know, make sure everybody kind of gets recognition. They understand that, you know, the sound, the music changes, artists come in and, you know, create a different type of sound. Like, we. Okay, we understand that. But this coming off of the win.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

It's just blatant and in your face. Like, all right, man. Like, we get it. Like, in case Beyonce decides to make another country album, she's gonna dominate again. And then, you know, like. Yeah, I. I mean, just have the conversation, man. Like, I don't know how much longer we gotta, you know, try to sit and act like we don't know what this is. And it's just, like, you know, it's. First of all, it's unfortunate that we even still have to do or feel like we have to do shit like this, but, like, what you gonna do, man?

[Mall]

They added progressive R B album, which I. I think is cool. Like, to me, those categories work. But you might as well just say urban. Urban country and urban country and. And real country.

[Baby D]

Urban country.

[Mall]

Like, just. Just say what it is at this point or add more subcategories than just two. Because country has a. A bunch of different. Like, the. That wins is usually pop country. It's not like country country. Like, just because someone country talks about a golden retriever, a pickup truck, and radio. That's a pop record, dog.

[Baby D]

Yeah, Urban country in this country. Country with a K. Country, definitely with a K. Absolutely.

[Mall]

But I'm. I'm curious to see what. What nominations are looking like this year. For sure. I mean, we'll cover it next week once they actually come out. But rap should be really interesting this year. R B should be really interesting this year.

[Baby D]

Should it be interesting?

[Mall]

I think Leon Thomas is going to clean up everything, but that's just my opinion.

[Baby D]

Hopefully you had a great album.

[Mall]

Yeah. And I think Mutt will clear up singles as well. Yeah.

[Rory]

No, man might have. Might have to compete with Folded. Folded might come through and crush Building ass.

[Mall]

Folded is. Is one of those. Did and Folded made it in time, right?

[Rory]

It should, yeah. It had to.

[Mall]

August, I believe the deadline was August, beginning of September. Folded, I think, made it right there.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

No, Folded is crazy.

[Baby D]

Yeah. But a folding ain't Mutt, though, much is.

[Mall]

It came out, like, everything came out right after the Last Grammy deadline, June 11, we saw a dominance of a full year of Mutt. That's why I feel like It's a cleanup.

[Rory]

June 11th is when folded came out.

[Mall]

Okay. Oh, yeah. All right, cool.

[Baby D]

Well, I like that record, though.

[Rory]

Folded got so crazy that everybody. You know how many people went and just made a remix? She didn't ask. These Brandi, Brandi, Tony Braxton, Tank, Mario Plies have all made Folded. Folded remixes. Neo Just Volunteer was like, I want a Folded remix. That's how, like, big that song.

[Mall]

Who wrote that Dixon roll?

[Baby D]

Folded Fire.

[Mall]

I don't quote, really.

[Rory]

He did.

[Mall]

Yeah. I'm.

[Rory]

I'm Kehlani Dixon. There's a couple other people. Donovan Knight, Andre Harris, DeWitt Wilson, Christopher Riddick Tynes. Milos Angelov.

[Mall]

Yeah, that record is incredible. Milos, the guy that did my massage. It's the same guy, Multifaceted. He performed on the boat and then. And then rubbed my hand.

[Baby D]

I love that, though. When you go on, like, a vacation and the guy that works, like, at the restaurant is like Michael Jackson at night. That's the best. That's my man right there.

[Mall]

That's what I was telling the PR people. People. I was like, yo, the way they do Michael Jackson and Elvis. Like, if you need me to do Paul Wall, I do Paul Wall. You just got to pay for my grill.

[Baby D]

Oh, my God.

[Mall]

But on music and Leon Thomas, we left out the Folks EP album. I don't know, whatever it was called that Leon just put out on October 24th. Did you listen to folks?

[Sponsor Voice]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Leon has not missed in three projects.

[Baby D]

Straight that came out last week, right?

[Mall]

October 24th. Yeah. My muse. Incredible. Like, I didn't think he could even top the not fair record off the deluxe of Mutt. And listen, man, I can't say enough. I think he's gonna clean up but folded deserves all the credit, period.

[Baby D]

Yeah. Now that I know Dixon wrote that. Yeah, I like to see that one.

[Mall]

I think, for that. That deluxe. Because Foley was on the deluxe.

[Baby D]

Right.

[Mall]

Damaris of Kehlani's album.

[Rory]

I don't even think. No, I think she just dropped gold. It was just a single.

[Mall]

Dixon was on two records on the deluxe as a feature. Outside of just producing. Yeah. They've been working for a while now. And everything that Kehlani and Dixon do together.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

I love seeing Kehlani get, like, have this moment, though.

[Rory]

Me too.

[Baby D]

She's been dope for so many years. Like, it's just good to see Kehlani, like, finally being spoken about, like, everywhere. Like, everybody's in tune with. Everybody's listening to her.

[Rory]

When I was at One Music Fest, Kehlani performed, and I was, of course, like, in heaven. But I've been a Kehlani fan. I hate being those people. That's like, I've been a Kehlani fan for. So I've been a Kehlani fan for over 10 years. So when I was. She was performing older songs, and I'm screaming to the top of my lungs, and I'm looking around, and I have a video where my drunk ass is like. I'm like, y' all folded fans. These ain't Kehlani fans. These folded fans. But at the same time, I'm happy that there are people that are now. They get to discover Kehlani's beautiful catalog that she's had for years. And they're reading like, they're. They're hearing songs that I love for the first time, and, like, that's, like, beautiful. I'm happy she's getting this moment, too.

[Mall]

As a Kehlani fan for 10 years as well. I think we forget that she was, like, 16 when she came out.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Like, she's just coming into her own now as an artist. She came out when she was a child. Like, we definitely didn't get the best of her music in the beginning because she was still. She was a kid.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

And we still thought it was amazing. So I think we'll get better music from Kehlani in the second half of her career than we did on the first, because everything she's been doing has been incredible. Yeah. Listen, man, do we have to be hovengers? Timeline was going nuts.

[Baby D]

What now?

[Mall]

Man, I remember the Spaces from, like, three years ago. I believe Rob Markman was on with Jay Z on Spaces. I think Elliot was there, too.

[Baby D]

Wait, is this something that just went Viral again.

[Mall]

You know when shit that's like five years old goes viral again.

[Baby D]

Okay.

[Mall]

And everyone just assumed that Jay Z randomly said on Thursday, no one has a chance in me against in verses because like verses are still going every week. So clearly hov would say something. They caught this quote. There's not a chance anyone can stand on that stage with me in regards to verses. But this was from years and years ago on Twitter spaces and the Internet lost it. And I'm not going to take too much serious because like most of the that was going viral was like, can you even name two Jay Z songs? They started putting up the numbers.

[Baby D]

Started with that.

[Mall]

Yeah, they put up all the numbers of Drake, Nikki, Kanye, Beyonce, Taylor Swift. And like Jay Z was like number six. And I'm like, you realize he was rapping about crack for the first like the fact that he's number six on like the highest streamed artists of all time.

[Baby D]

Pure rap though.

[Mall]

Yes.

[Baby D]

Like not like melodic rap. Not like, you know, it's like we're talking about pure bars. And he's has all of these accolades and Rock and Roll hall of Fame and songwriter. He's in the Rock and Roll hall of Fame, right?

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Rock and roll for Songwriters hall of Fame.

[Mall]

He did it without a pen. Sorry I had to remind y' all again.

[Baby D]

Thank you for that. He wrote 44.

[Sponsor Voice]

I got that.

[Baby D]

Yeah. So to have all of those accolades with just bars, just rap, I mean, yes, people will have a tough time now. Are there artists that can stand on the stage and play big rec. Absolutely. There's a bunch of artists that can stand on stage with Jay Z and play big records. But I think what Jay was saying as far as like, if we talking about rapping like songs is our bars. There's nobody that could stand next to Jay.

[Mall]

And if I remember the actual spaces. Cause I was just a listener on. On the spaces after that he was like, dog. Like Grammy family is just a freestyle. Like. And that would be some of y' all biggest records.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

And I feel them because I. That's why I guess I didn't even really care to argue about this because everyone's bringing up billboards and like how many number ones people have. Like, if you haven't. We're arguing with people from post Kendrick and Drake beef that are. They're not hip hop fans, they're Twitter fans. That doesn't matter in a versus. We've seen that for the whole year of 2020 and 2021. Jay Z's not putting empire state of mind in his versus 20. And that's his biggest record, according to Billboards. Like, why are we bringing up numbers in a versus? And I'm not saying that Jay Z would smoke everybody. I think him and Kanye would be a great matchup. Him and Drake would be a cool matchup. There's plenty of artists that I think think would be cool to stand. Y' all saying Future would clean up Jay. I'm like, all right, man. Where are we at right now?

[Baby D]

You can't even have that argument, though, because, again, it's just generations. It's different people that they herald these guys as their Jay Z. Like, Future is somebody else's Jay Z.

[Mall]

But that would never even be like, a matchup to me.

[Baby D]

To you.

[Rory]

And that was one of the biggest things that was always on Twitter. Like, Jay Z get no smoke in Atlanta. And it's like, these younger fans. When you don't live with music, it doesn't mean the same to you. So, like, there are people who would argue you down that Drake would beat Jay Z in A versus, Right. And he could, depending on the room. It depends on the room.

[Mall]

No, I agree with you. I guess I was. If we're going off verses, that's the only word I'm really focused on. How versus is set up. We've never seen, like, it started with Swizz and Timberland, which is a great matchup. Like, everything was a good matchup that they were trying to find the pairings. Erykah Badu, Jill Scott. Like, that was the point. Jay Z versus Future for what?

[Rory]

Yeah, they don't even.

[Mall]

They're not the same era. They don't make the same type of music. Like, what? Why are we even debating this? If we're going off the versus thing now, if I'm in a hookah spot or at the club in Atlanta, Do I think that Future may clean jay Z up 20 nothing? Probably. But that. Who would even think that that would be a thing?

[Baby D]

What's the worst versus that with Tiado?

[Mall]

112, jagged edge.

[Rory]

I didn't see it.

[Baby D]

Nah, it was bad. Snoop and dmx.

[Mall]

That wasn't terrible.

[Baby D]

I hated that matchup.

[Mall]

It was. I thought it was the weirdest.

[Rory]

It's a bad.

[Mall]

I'm not saying matchup wise. I thought you meant, like, performance wise.

[Baby D]

No, like, matchup.

[Mall]

Oh, 112 and jagged edge made a lot of sense.

[Baby D]

It was just Snoop and dmx.

[Mall]

That made no sense. I agree with you.

[Baby D]

It was only because they both. The dog. Like, they tried to put.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

And I'm like, bro, cut this. Like, Snoop and dmx don't. That's the terrible match.

[Rory]

That's a terrible matchup.

[Baby D]

Like, that was the verses that I was like. I wish we never saw that.

[Mall]

Yeah, it was cool to see them together, but I. Yeah, it was cool. You couldn't even really compare.

[Baby D]

I mean, it's Snoop and X. So of course, anytime you get them in a room. But, like, the most versus, like, laid.

[Mall]

Back to the most aggressive.

[Baby D]

Yeah, I just. It just. I didn't like that matchup. I. I didn't. That was the one that I was just like, it was dope that they got a chance to get X and Snoop in the room. That was fire. But for versus, Nah, I didn't like that.

[Mall]

Snoop and Jay Z would be interesting. Different sounds, but I think that one would still make sense. I think Snoop and Hoe would be a cool.

[Baby D]

Does Snoop perform still? Dre.

[Mall]

I mean, you have to. But then hov can clearly do a freestyle saying that he could rap it with him. Yo, rapping the reference. That would be some petty that.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Jay would do. Yeah, but he. He. He wrote all the. Snoop's verse on that.

[Baby D]

Jay wrote that entire thing.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Record.

[Mall]

Which, I mean, I'm not. I'm not mad at that, because we've heard that about Snoop with a bunch of stuff.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

And everyone knows Snoop's. Right.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

I don't know. That was just. I don't know. Yeah. I have to get certain things out of my algorithms, and I don't know how to do it.

[Baby D]

You got to start liking a whole bunch of other shit.

[Rory]

Block the people you see talking about it.

[Mall]

Okay. Gotcha.

[Rory]

And like, a whole bunch of other shit.

[Sponsor Voice]

Got it.

[Mall]

Because. And it's like any other app. Like, hey, did you like this? I don't get that on Twitter. Like, I just look at one thing, and now I'm in this world forever.

[Rory]

I'm stuck in Stan Twitter, and I'm trying so hard to get out, but then I somehow I ended up in toxic podcast Twitter trying to get out of Stan Twitter. Stan Twitter.

[Mall]

Oh, I can't.

[Rory]

Female rap Stan Twitter. I have been stuck there.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah, that sounds like you.

[Baby D]

Like, the Meg tweet.

[Mall]

Probably something that sounds like actual.

[Rory]

It's actually. It's literally. Hell yeah.

[Mall]

What's. Like, what. What do they talk about? Is it just like constant.

[Rory]

Constant numbers and who's being funny to who and who made who?

[Baby D]

Oh, yeah, no, that sounds like.

[Mall]

That sounds like male rap Twitter, too.

[Rory]

Who was the real first Bitch on the COVID of Vogue. Like, I just can't. I was. I had to get the out of here. I can't do this. It's ridiculous.

[Baby D]

That's what they be talking about in there.

[Mall]

They be talking about that in male rap. Twitter, Stan. Shit, too.

[Baby D]

That shit is so funny. Nothing is funnier than not being on social media and then just jumping back on one day and just, like, reading everything. That is the fun. That's like walking in the fucking. On the stock. On the trading floor, the stock market. It's like, what the are y' all talking about? Like, niggas just be yelling like, yo, what the are y' all talking about?

[Mall]

I had. When I got off the boat, I refreshed my timeline. It was clearly like an old clip, I believe, from Math's podcast with cannabis. And he was like, eminem wrote Stan about me. I was like, all right, where are we? What are we doing? Where are we? Yeah, this is a simulate. Like, this is a simulation.

[Baby D]

I keep trying to tell you that.

[Caller Dan]

That.

[Mall]

Yeah, you never, never put that together.

[Baby D]

No, no, I never put that together.

[Mall]

What you saying about yourself, Ken?

[Baby D]

Yeah, yeah, I never put that one together.

[Mall]

I guess we can. We can stay in. In gossip Twitter for a second because.

[Baby D]

I. I saw Janae and Big Sean broke up.

[Mall]

You saw. I saw a non credible source on Twitter.

[Baby D]

Man. Don't say that.

[Mall]

She posted a record on her Instagram that had some quote of like, miss me with the lies or something, and I was like, oh, they're over. That's really what happened.

[Rory]

Yeah, I. I doubt it.

[Baby D]

I don't know.

[Rory]

I doubt it. But the funniest.

[Baby D]

It was not confirmed.

[Rory]

No.

[Baby D]

All right, so let's keep hope alive. Let's keep hope alive.

[Rory]

I mean, but I feel like if they were still together, they might. But, I mean, maybe not. Maybe they don't want to clear it up. I feel like if I've been with somebody and every five seconds, they saying we breaking up. I ain't clarifying that for them either.

[Mall]

So does that happen every five seconds?

[Rory]

This happened a couple more than once that they've broken up? No, I.

[Mall]

When they, like, actually broke up and then got back together, but I feel like for the last six years, it's been like they just been minding their business, had a child and, like.

[Baby D]

Yeah, I hope this ain't true, man. I like Janae and Big Sean together, man.

[Mall]

What you like about them together?

[Baby D]

I mean, I just like, you know.

[Mall]

I do too much. I like music. Well, listen, I wanted a.

[Baby D]

We could get another album. That would be.

[Mall]

I wanted a 2099, 3088, whatever the fuck you want to call it. Like, I wanted a part.

[Baby D]

Whatever four numbers y' all want.

[Mall]

Just whatever.

[Baby D]

Just give it to us. Yeah, I don't care. With four numbers.

[Mall]

Just give us something.

[Baby D]

Give us the four.

[Mall]

That first one was crazy.

[Rory]

I sent Rory a text message this morning from. It was a tweet that said, yeah, he waited till Big U went to jail to do that, huh? That. I was like, why y'? All? Why are y' all on the Internet being like this?

[Mall]

If you don't get the reference on.

[Baby D]

One, I'm gonna say, I don't get it.

[Mall]

On one of Jana's projects, after she had left Dr. Genius, they had gotten divorced, corrupt, had left her a voicemail, pretty much threatening her ex husband, and she put it on the album.

[Baby D]

Oh, okay.

[Mall]

And, you know, saying, like, I understood the joke right away. Got you of, like, if y' all know Janae's cryptos.

[Baby D]

Yeah. I hope that's not true, though, man.

[Mall]

I mean, they. They had a child, I believe, like, eight, six or eight months before Amara, so about three years old now. Like, oh, that could be tough. Yeah.

[Baby D]

But that's some. Yeah, you're right. Yes.

[Mall]

Like, I don't want to speculate too personally on their actual situation, because, again, all she did was post a song where she's talking about somebody lying, which Janae has been doing for, I don't know, the last 20 years, maybe, like, her lead.

[Baby D]

That's, like, a first place.

[Mall]

That's what I wanted. That's. That's the coke pusher rap.

[Baby D]

That's what Sailing Soul did. Ass.

[Mall]

I don't want to. Like, I love New Balance by Jana, but I. I do love more of the toxic L. Yeah. So I didn't think when I heard that, like, oh, they must have broken up.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

When they were in bliss, like, there was still. Jana's gonna sing about that type of stuff.

[Baby D]

Yeah, hopefully. That's just a room, man.

[Mall]

And, I mean, everyone brought up that. That clip when Sean interviewed with Charlemagne, which was actually a really good interview. Charlamagne asked Sean, like, why haven't they gotten married? And, you know, Sean went into his, you know, his man rant when you're at Thanksgiving, and somebody asked, like, why. Why you ain't marrying my niece yet? And you just be like, yo, you know, timing. And, like, you just start saying, yeah, he got in one of those bags, which. But I understood what he started.

[Baby D]

It was a word salad.

[Mall]

You know, we get in our bag. Like, yo, listen. Like a piece of paper from the government, like, that means I love her.

[Baby D]

Like, yeah, yeah. I don't. I ain't doing all of that.

[Mall]

It was one of those. So everyone thought. But they put those two and two together, even though it's been like a two year difference between the two.

[Baby D]

Oh, yeah. I don't know. I'm not putting no stock in that. Hopefully they sew together. Hopefully. But if not hopefully, you know, they're happy as well.

[Mall]

And if they don't want to be, hopefully they're not.

[Baby D]

Yeah, no, I think that's how it's better for them not to be together then. You know, whatever's best. But that is one of those relationships that we all just have watched for so many years.

[Mall]

Like, we were all rooting for you type of thing. Yeah.

[Baby D]

Like, and it's like, okay, they look like they look. We don't have to worry about them. They're doing their own thing. They stay out of the mess. Never in the headlines with no bullshit. You know what I'm saying? They got a family, so it's kind of like you kind of. That's autopilot. Like, they're good. We ain't got to worry about them.

[Mall]

All right, but do we put too much. Well, not us. I'm just saying, the public in general. Do we put too much pressure on those couples?

[Baby D]

Yes.

[Mall]

I don't ever want to be in a relationship that everyone's rooting for because I'm a human being and it happens in relationships. Like, I don't want y' all to be mad about some shit y' all don't even know about.

[Baby D]

Yeah, no, I get that part, but.

[Mall]

You do if you want to root for break up, like, whatever. Like the way the offsetting cardi shit was. And he's tweeting like y' all won and this and that. I'm not talking about that relationship. I'm talking about the one that everyone's like, goals, but for real, not goals for the week, because you saw a photo of us walking out fucking Soul House. Talk about the 10 years. Don't put that pressure on me.

[Baby D]

Yeah, I mean, I get it, but I mean, it is. It is good to have examples of what we deem to be healthy relationships. Relationships where people actually like each other, are in love with each other. Yeah, it is good to have examples of that because we have so many examples of. Of people just dating for a rollout and people just dating for a moment and people just. So when you see A couple that you see over the years, every time you see them again, the house could be in turmoil. We don't know that saying. From what we see and the energy that we can pick up on, it seems like they're happy and that they're enjoying each other. So it's good to have those examples of happy relationships as well.

[Mall]

Cause even in a casual way, you just assume they both woke up up, did yoga together. We grass shots when they. When they had their. Their beautiful child. No vaccines.

[Baby D]

Right.

[Mall]

They probably even do it in a hospital. That's where sick people congregate. Probably not where we should have kids. Like.

[Baby D]

Right.

[Mall]

Room for that type of relationship. So. Yeah, that. I guess that is a little sad.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Because you feel like it's. It's a healthy one.

[Baby D]

Yeah. Speaking of sad, congrats to the Dodgers.

[Mall]

I didn't care this year. I was obviously very.

[Baby D]

It was a. It was a great World Series.

[Mall]

That was probably top five World Series.

[Baby D]

Yeah, that was a great. A great World Series. Seven games. Even the last, you know, game seven went extra innings. It looked like the Blue Jays had it that. I think 11th or 12th inning, they gave up that home run and it was just like, oh, shit. You kind of felt the air go out of the stadium at that point. Like, fuck. But it was a good matchup. I did. I was rooting for the Blue Jays. I wanted to see one of my favorite Yankees ever, Don Mattingly. He's a coach, the Blue Jays. I wanted to see him. Showing your age finally get. Yeah. I mean, it is what it is. I wanted to see him get a ring. But they didn't. They didn't finish it out. But shout out to the Dodgers back to back.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

World champions. But yeah, it was. It was a great Series. Definitely entertaining. I think it was great for baseball. People that probably didn't watch a game all year paid attention to that Series. It was definitely one of.

[Rory]

The.

[Baby D]

One of the best World Series that I can remember watching.

[Mall]

Definitely the billion dollar investment was worth it.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

But, yeah, one of the best World Series I've seen. I didn't. This was one where I was rooting against the Dodgers, obviously last year and was very sad because they were against the Yankees this year. I just wanted to see a good Series and I, I got what I asked for.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

I didn't.

[Baby D]

It was a great.

[Mall]

I didn't really care.

[Baby D]

Great Series. Can't. It doesn't get better than seven game. Seven games. Extra innings in the seventh game. I mean, you can't ask them for more. I mean, obviously people in Toronto could ask for a different outfit, but you know, just overall great series. So shout out to the Dodgers.

[Mall]

Yeah. Remember last year I told you all of like Avant Garden, they're all from la, like, for real. Born and raised there. Gave me so much last year. They was hitting me. I look at this, I was like, y' all are not like a rival to us. You act like you're Red Sox fans. Like, I don't give a. Like, congrats, I'm happy to be in the country. There's not a Yankee Dodger rivalry.

[Baby D]

No congrats to y'.

[Mall]

All.

[Baby D]

Definitely not a Yankee Dodger rivalry. No.

[Mall]

Smoked us yet last year. Like, I had to give it up.

[Baby D]

But I mean, and if we keep them, the Dodgers, you know what the Dodgers started at? I mean, we're gonna have that conversation.

[Mall]

Keep bringing down to that.

[Baby D]

It's okay. It's all good.

[Mall]

You can have our hand me downs. It's a win for us.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Give us the trophy too.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Send the trophy to be that shit in Barclays.

[Baby D]

Absolutely.

[Mall]

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[Mall]

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[Baby D]

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[Mall]

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[Baby D]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

Yeah, we waited to talk about this till you got here because we knew you wanted to nerd out.

[Mall]

I mean, there's. There's not much nerding out that I want to do on this. I mean, we can give a quick rundown. Effective this week, if a song drops below number 5, after 78 weeks, it's removed. A song drops below number 10 after 52 weeks, it's removed. And so on and so forth. I think this, along with what's going on with Spotify, what's going on with radio, which you guys didn't believe me about, everyone is scrambling to change everything because everything is about to change. Bots have ruined everything. Everything needs to switch up in billboard labels. DSPs. Everyone is getting ahead of everything changing. We're changing rules.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

We're changing rules.

[Rory]

I'm. I'm. I'm with.

[Baby D]

Are they changing the way artists are paid out out, or is that going to remain the same? Exactly.

[Rory]

I. I'm with you on the. Everybody's scrambling. I also think that Billboard. I think that this makes things a little bit fair. And I think the reason why Billboard did this is. I don't think that's that big of a conspiracy. There are some songs that are so well loved that they will stay on the charts for years.

[Mall]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Rory]

If you. And it doesn't make room for other artists to enter into those.

[Mall]

Those smaller spots, especially if an icon dies and your song can't get to number one.

[Rory]

You cool?

[Mall]

I'm fine. I'm not.

[Baby D]

Okay. I get it. I'm not okay. No, I'm not.

[Mall]

I'm not.

[Baby D]

I'm not okay.

[Mall]

No, I hear you. And I think this does make things much more fair. But I think with all the rules changing, there's a specific reason for it. This being one of them that I agree with, like, even. But again, like, like, I think Teddy Swims Lose Control deserved to be on the Billboard as long as it was. It's an incredible record and it kept streaming fairly, like.

[Rory]

Yes, but, I mean, but we get it, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, because. Okay, so if the Billboard was Getting you. If you were being paid every week for being on Billboard, then that makes sense. Because then you're taking food out of their pot out of their mouths. But if it's just like, okay, we get it. You've been number one for such and such many weeks. After 200 weeks, like, it's fine. Okay, you were on the charts for 200 weeks. Kick him the fuck off and let somebody else come on. Like, it's. That's insane.

[Mall]

I don't know. I mean, to me, again, if you're taking away any. And I don't even want to say bots, because when it was CDs. Let's not act like even Universal, Def Jam, cash money, everyone has admitted they were buying hundreds of thousands of CDs to make sure they got to number one. Like, this isn't a new thing. It's just now it's.

[Rory]

It's.

[Mall]

It's bots. Because it's tech.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

I do think, if it's fair, why shouldn't the one that's streaming the most stay there? I don't think that's a bad thing. Like, as much as. As annoying as it was that the spurs were in the finals every year or. Or the Patriots were in the super bowl every year, or the Kansas City Chiefs have been there, like, we about to do what the NBA did and block the Chris. Chris Paul deal. Because that's up. Like, if this is how the system is set up. Why, what's wrong with that? They're fairly doing it. I'd be pissed if. If they told Tom Brady, yo, you're too good. No more Super Bowls for you, bro. You know how up that is?

[Rory]

Like, complete. That's completely different. Because a Super bowl is such a huge moment. They're not saying they're number one record on Billboard. They're not removing number ones. That's not the rule. That's not the rule. The rule is the motherfuckers that's over there sitting at 97 for five years, they can go. Like. You see what I'm saying? They're not taking people from number one or number two or number three or number four or number five.

[Mall]

Okay, but I'm saying to. All right, let me not say.

[Baby D]

Yeah, but do you want to be the artist that enters the Billboard? Because they removed somebody that was just, like, stagnant. Like, oh, I got in. Because they took homie off.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Make better music.

[Rory]

No, no, because it's. Because it's.

[Baby D]

No, don't make better music.

[Rory]

No, it's not about you making bad music. It has nothing to do with. Because we all know when Taylor Swift releases a fucking album, she knocks like 10 people off because her entire album is going to go to slots number one through 10. That doesn't. And it's going to stay there for a while. So the people who are inching in it.

[Baby D]

You said what is good music?

[Mall]

No, no, I hear what you're saying is fucked up. And I won't use the Tom Brady thing because, again, it's not the number one. But, like, okay, that'd be like Mike Vrabel. You can't go to the super bowl this year. Like, you're not the best player, but you're in five Super Bowls and you play really well. Robert Horry can't get a ring and just stay at number 78 on the Billboard charts. Like, if I'm there for 100 weeks, yeah, it's a stat for me. That's cool that I stayed in the Billboard Hot 100. That's a stat for an artist. But do you just. Not just because you're not number one. The Hot 100 is a like a thing for an artist.

[Baby D]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

But it's not like he hit the hot 100. Like, oh, my God. It's not like he's climbing.

[Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

Like, for example, shot we just spoke about Folded. Shout out to Folded. It just hit number seven on the Billboard charts. Right. Folded is climbing. It's been there for a little while, but it's climbing.

[Baby D]

That record is not number one.

[Rory]

No, it didn't go number one. I think y', all, like, misunderstood. Like, records don't be going number one. I feel like me and you have this issue a lot record. A lot of the records that we love don't go number one.

[Mall]

Teddy Swims losing Control just left the top ten. And I believe that came out two years ago.

[Baby D]

Wow.

[Mall]

Wow. Through the Taylor Swift thing, through everything.

[Baby D]

I thought Foley went number one.

[Rory]

No, no.

[Mall]

And I mean, I. I get it. You have to adjust because of streaming because that can keep things weekly outside of album sales and salt. Like, there wasn't song sales, itunes, charts.

[Rory]

We all know the bigger the artist and the bigger the label and the more money that is behind them. You can get playlisted. Playlisted is going to keep you on the score charts longer. That doesn't mean that you have a better song or it means that you have a access to more money and more funding. So it's not make better music. It's. They're going to make sure that Taylor Swift or Taylor Swift or Drake or Kendrick or all of these people are on all of these fucking playlists. So yes, their songs are going to stay longer because people who are discovering them or listening to them sometimes against their will. Are you seeing what I'm saying? Whereas you might have a small artist that's right there. Right there. It's okay to take Taylor song off. That's been that for 100. It's been okay to take Teddy Swims off or Benson boom wounds. It's okay.

[Mall]

It's a socialism they hit.

[Rory]

No, it's not. Because you hit number one or you hit where you were gonna hit.

[Baby D]

You hit your peak.

[Rory]

You done drop down. You don't drop down. And now it's time for other people to get the chance. You have the accolade. Nobody's taking that accolade from you. No, nothing. They said after 78 weeks, Bro, do you. All fucking long.

[Mall]

78 weeks is if it's fair, it's fine with me. Again, I think they're scrambling to change the rules and everything because I'm not saying anything specific to. To Kendrick or Drake as far as bots, but I think the bot thing has gotten so far out of control for every single artist signed to a major that everyone is changing the rules in the midst of them being caught doing it. I yeah, this is cool, but it's not like it's an asterisk on Roger Maris hitting 61 home runs because he had an extra few games. Like we're putting. So Taylor still gets the accolade, but someone else's name gets to be put there. Like, this is a participation trophy to me. Like, this is the real world. If it's fair, she should stay there. If it's fair, it's never going to be fair.

[Rory]

So why are we talking about if it's never going to be.

[Mall]

They're trying to make it fair now. It's going to take a while.

[Rory]

Of course, artists are majors and with money will always have access to more resources. It's never going to be completely fair to music industry will never be fair. But this makes it a little bit more fair.

[Baby D]

They're trying to. They're trying to make it look like they trying to make it fair. Like, okay, let's make it fair. But I don't think much is going to change as a result of this.

[Mall]

This.

[Baby D]

I don't. Honestly. Yeah, I don't think much is going to change. Just being honest.

[Rory]

I think we'll see. We'll see. Maybe, you know, a couple new songs Hit that. That top 100 that deserve to be there, but they might not have access to.

[Mall]

I mean, listen, if you have. If you're in the top 10 for a year, that's crazy. That's why I was saying after Teddy Swims was there for almost two years, like, yeah, if you drop to number 11 after a year, cool. We should be removed. But like, I don't know. That's still up. Like if. If my is streaming fairly that way. Why are you taking me off my.

[Rory]

My.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah. This is capitalism versus socialism.

[Rory]

I don't even think that. Honestly, I don't even think the people who. I think once you've been on Spotify for. I mean, you've been on the Billboard charts for a year, I don't even think them artists is really like, hey, you took me down. Like, I really wanted it to be a year and three months. Like, I don't think they give a. I was on there for a year. I had that talking point.

[Baby D]

I mean, if you any. And if you like me. I don't give a. Where they at on the charts. I don't even check for that type of. If the music is good, I'm listening.

[Rory]

Well, the artist cares.

[Baby D]

Because that's what I'm saying. Yeah, like the artist obviously care. But I mean fans. I mean, I don't. We don't give a. About. Well, let me say I don't give a. About any of this.

[Mall]

Okay, then what does that do to the Billboard Awards?

[Baby D]

You watch that?

[Mall]

No, I've always said it was one of the most pointless award shows because you can just go on the Internet and see who wins. Like, it's not like I gotta tell them. I can literally just check every week on who's gonna win. But also, I think, yeah, this only really affects artists and Stan accounts that are doing like who was on vogue for the first time. Like, this is all kind of weird to me because it's not.

[Baby D]

And this goes. This. This is effective as of right now.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

All right, well, let's pay close attention in the next year and see. See if we notice any changes.

[Mall]

I caught the.

[Baby D]

Let's Taylor.

[Mall]

I caught the meltdown to some degree over the last week. I'm not sure if you guys touched. Watched fully upon it. Of the. No rap songs are in the top 40 Billboard Hot 100 for the first time since 1990.

[Baby D]

But there is one in the top 50. They just, you know, they cut it at 40 just because it reads better.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Baby D]

There's a rap song number 50, I.

[Mall]

Think it should be removed.

[Baby D]

I think it's Big X, the plug. I think he's number 50.

[Mall]

How long has it been there? Because I think you should get the out of there.

[Baby D]

Well, I don't know. I don't know how many weeks he's been here, but I think he is number 50.

[Mall]

I don't know. I don't have, like, the same meltdown that I saw all of our media peers have. Like, I don't think this matters that much.

[Baby D]

Oh, no, it matters to the artists. It matters to us. We. We don't give a. To the artists to rappers. This definitely matters 1000%.

[Mall]

But you're saying on, like, the superstar side or. Or what? Like.

[Baby D]

Yeah, yeah. Labels are not. They're not. Because this is all just labels not putting money behind rap songs. That's all this is. It's not like people didn't put out good rap songs. The labels are not putting the money behind these rap songs that they once were. So what does that mean for rappers? What does that mean between them and their labels? Are labels willing to put money behind them still or at all? How much are they putting behind it? So, yeah, the rappers care 1000% because this directly affects them and their business with the labels.

[Mall]

And they should care if they're getting removed after.

[Baby D]

No, that's the thing that they do. The artists care. Us, the fans, we don't care. We don't. Look at this.

[Rory]

NBA young boy is number 43 with shot calling and he's been on the charts for six weeks.

[Mall]

So good for young.

[Baby D]

Big extra plugs not on there.

[Rory]

Big X. The plug is number 50.

[Baby D]

Okay.

[Rory]

With hell at Night.

[Baby D]

Okay.

[Mall]

I mean, I don't know. I just think rap is in, like, a good place.

[Baby D]

Oh, the music.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah.

[Baby D]

Just about the business of it.

[Mall]

Like there. There's been years since 1990 where it felt really bad and they were still in the top 40.

[Baby D]

Oh, no, sure, for sure.

[Mall]

But I mean, I guess, does that just prove that Billboard doesn't mean much? If the point is their labels are putting money behind those records, which the money that the label puts behind the artist is just gonna have to owe back anyways. It's not like the label's giving them a good gesture push. The money they'd have to put up to get on Billboard, they have to owe back.

[Baby D]

They have to pay.

[Mall]

So it's like. I don't know. I just. I didn't look at this like it was over for hip hop.

[Baby D]

No, no, no, it's definitely not over.

[Mall]

I understand. A Few years ago, it was the highest stream genre, which was a. A big W for. For hip hop. But I don't know, it goes back to the superstar thing for me too. Yes, labels are not investing as much in rap, but there's also no superstars. And I'm not saying that a label putting a bunch of money into an artist is going to make them superstar. No, there just isn't superstars. But like, if Travis drops tomorrow.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Top 20 will be a whole Travis album scattered throughout the top 20 on Billboard. So no one's dropping. Like, yeah, that's of that stature. But I mean, I think shout out to Big X, the Plug and Young Boy that they're up there. I think that whole just drop singles thing has kind of backfired on the labels a bit because. Because we see what the albums do for the charts that matter to the labels and the artists. Like, that's why they're changing the rules because Taylor's there through the whole thing. When Drake dropped for all the Dogs wasn't at every record. When GNX came out, every record was in the top 10. Like, I think the labels kind of played themselves a bit of like, yo, we shouldn't do this album thing. Let's just Cardi. Just do one song a year. Like, no, like the Mike Karen strategy. No disrespect to my Karen. Like, I just think that strategy. They're seeing the result of it. It didn't work in Billboards and streaming the way you guys thought it would. When it comes to charts, if you. If you care about the charts, they could not care. I don't know. But albums are the ones that are sticking to the point they got to change the rules.

[Baby D]

Just continue to make good music. The charts, all that. I mean, I understand that is important to their business, but like good, good music, great music that always pierces through that. That's what stands the test of time. I don't know what some of my favorite songs and favorite albums landed on the charts. I know that I love this fucking album. Album. So I mean.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And I want to clarify. I'm sorry, folded is at 14, not number seven. That was my mistake. I'm sorry.

[Mall]

14 is still crazy.

[Rory]

That's its peak so far.

[Baby D]

Thank you for that, baby.

[Rory]

Dude, no problem.

[Baby D]

They would have killed you for that, you know, they would have got you.

[Rory]

Yeah, they would kill me. So I just want.

[Baby D]

You don't want them to kill.

[Rory]

Want to do my research.

[Baby D]

That's right.

[Rory]

Producer.

[Baby D]

You're a journalist.

[Mall]

Whole op ed. Yeah, yeah. And while we are on the bot situation, there was a lawsuit that was filed by Snoop's cousin or nephew.

[Baby D]

Nephew.

[Mall]

I think he calls everyone nephew though, so I don't.

[Baby D]

It might be blood nephew though.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Baby D]

Might be, I don't know, maybe this is cousin. Well, I mean Crip, cuz you know how that go.

[Mall]

Yeah. But then also when I was a kid I really thought that Bow Wow was Snoop's nephew. So yes, his cousin or nephew. RBX filed a lawsuit against Spotify suggesting that they turn a blind eye to bots. Specifically with Drake. With the no face record that there was an uptick in Turkey, I think a quarter million streams in like one day or something at a specific town in Turkey. But we covered this years and years ago mall. We even talked about going to that small town in I think it was somewhere by Minneapolis. This was like year one of new Roaring Mall. They had found just in this small town there was like, like hundreds of thousands of streams for all these different artists and was like there's not even enough people in this town to do this. So it was one of those they said specifically against Drake. No face. I don't know how much legs is gonna have. That's all we know at, at this point. But I mean I, I think this, this is against everybody eventually. I don't that that's all we have at this point.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

But I mean interesting that RBX just like broke this. Like listen, if he's right, great. But I, I just laughed like wait, this is the most random. This isn't a corporation doing it. This is just rbx. Like you know what, let me go file against Spotify. Yeah, he was just in like the, he was in the dark web of Reddit and was just, just searching in Turkey and found all those strings.

[Baby D]

Yeah, I don't know how much legs this has but I mean it could.

[Mall]

And I mean I've always been on the side that everybody uses bots whether they know it or not. If you're at that level, I think you could be a, an oblivious artist from every a lister you could think of and somebody's gonna botch your. Whether you be on a major. Whether they hire a third party company. I've been on this side from the beginning. I'm curious to see where, where this goes.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

But again Spotify and Universal are in bed together.

[Baby D]

So not far fetched.

[Mall]

But it's not far fetched at all. Yeah, not even a little bit. But I mean of course there was outrage now. But that's neither. It's either here nor there.

[Baby D]

Everybody's outraged.

[Mall]

But, yeah. Do we have voicemails?

[Baby D]

Do we have voicemails?

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[Baby D]

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[Caller Dan]

Yo, this is Dan.

[Baby D]

Male voice.

[Caller Dan]

I got a question mainly for Baby D. I want to hear the woman perspective, and I don't want to know before him all if y' all have been through it. All right? So been in a relationship for almost two years now. Everything is fire except for our sex. We just. We just. We don't have it that often. We started off having it pretty frequently. Now it slowed down to like, once or twice a month. For me, personally, I want it more. And I'm trying to be a good faithful. We've had some conversations. She says that, you know, her libido is just lower, and I give her the benefit of the doubt because precedent ain't gonna do no good. But I'm curious from a woman's perspective and having women friends, one and then two from who have dealt with women, how much does a sex drive range naturally with women versus how much has to do with the. That they're with? Like, you know, do we just not mesh? Is there something, you know, that we just don't click with, or should I just work at accepting? Well, either way, I gotta accept it, right? But it's just like, should I have a conversation of, like, I can't live with this and move on? Should we open this up? You. You dig what I'm saying? You get it?

[Rory]

So you asked me.

[Baby D]

That's how you ended it.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

She must have walked in a room.

[Rory]

You asked me a couple questions, right? So I'm gonna give you a couple answers. Number one, there could be varying reasons why her libido could be low. I have a few very close friends who have this issue. They love their man, they're attracted to their man, but their libido has just gotten less over the years. There could be a couple things. Tell her to go get her, and this is up. So this leads into the next answer I have for you. But there. A conversation needs to be had. And when I say a conversation needs to be had, when you have this conversation, you need to let her know how serious of an issue this is, because don't let anybody tell you anything different. Sex is extremely important in a relationship. It's one of the indicators of the health of the relationship. And if y' all are not compatible sexually, the relationship will not last. So this needs to be a serious sit down conversation, not an in passing conversation. She might get offended by it. You need to be very obviously very sensitive to her feelings and let her know that you're working with her as a team and that you're not giving her ultimatum of this needs to be fixed or I'm going to to cheat. Don't come with that energy. But you do need to be honest now if you want to tell her that you got this suggestion from a female friend or whatever, tell her to go get her hormone levels checked. It might be a PCOS issue. It could be anything. Right. One of the things that I always suggest is taking macaroo powder. Me and Rory have joked about how taking macaroot makes you horny enough to damn near anything in sight.

[Mall]

Men and women.

[Rory]

Yes, that is one of the things.

[Mall]

Not men. And I'm saying for men and for women it works for not, I'm saying men and feel like it doesn't just work for women, it works.

[Rory]

But yes, try, have her try, Maru. Even if you want to buy it and say, hey, I heard this is because it's good for other things, it's good for energy and things like that. Say you guys want to take it together? You make the smoothies in the morning. It has the makaru in it. Let her know what it's for and what it helps. Right. As well as ashwagandha, which also helps with stress relief and things like that. I personally have taken both in it intensely. Increased libido. Right. But again, still, she needs to go to a doctor if she's interested in changing it. If she is not open to those suggestions. You need to sit down and really have a real conversation with yourself and see if, if this sex pattern continues. Can you stay in this relationship? Will you be happy in this relationship? You're calling into a podcast. So I'm going to assume that you're not happy with it and that is important. You might have to eventually leave. And you're not a. You're not a bad guy, you're not an asshole for leaving for that reason. Because again, sex is extremely.

[Baby D]

Are they married?

[Rory]

I don't think so.

[Baby D]

Okay.

[Mall]

Yeah. I didn't say how long they were together.

[Rory]

Yeah, I don't think so. But yeah, it's, it's, it's important. So good luck with everything. I do hope that everything is okay with her help wise, health wise. It might be a stress issue. It might be anything but you guys need to try to work it out. And again, if you decide to leave because of that, you're not wrong for that.

[Baby D]

I hate when the marriage do that because she's right. But, like, I want to have. I want to joke on him.

[Rory]

You can still joke. I opened the floor too.

[Baby D]

No, I don't want to joke on him because that was. That. What you said was 100% correct. So that was great, great advice. I don't want to step on it with a joke.

[Mall]

No, you can still joke about it. I mean, I agree with everything the mayor said.

[Baby D]

I'll do it on the next episode.

[Mall]

And I hate when people say that of, like, physical features and sex isn't the most, like. Of course not the most important thing. But if you're not, your relationship is going to slowly implode elsewhere. That is a sole detector of where things are at. So if it's not like having a child where things, you know, can get weird because the kids in the house and y' all just two adults that are not. You should leave.

[Baby D]

Like.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah.

[Baby D]

You don't want to be in a relationship where you're not sexually satisfied because.

[Mall]

Now you told you that's your, like, that's your friend.

[Rory]

And you too, if you're listening to this podcast, you too young for that. So. Yeah, no, definitely, if. If she. If you go to her and she's not willing to try, you know, the things that I mentioned or even any other suggestions that you guys can go on the Internet and research together. I know it feels. And especially for her, it might feel very uncomfortable because our sexuality as women and desirability and all of those things are so wrapped up in what we've been taught. We've been taught to be sexy and that we're supposed to be these sexual machines for men. Right. It's just. That's just how we're raised. You're supposed to cook, clean, and fuck. That's what you're supposed to do. So when we.

[Baby D]

They don't raise them like that. Yeah.

[Mall]

I was about to say where you find them, that's like.

[Baby D]

That's the thing of the past.

[Mall]

Where they at.

[Baby D]

That's like a V. That's like a vhs. They don't make them like that no more. When they used to make them like that.

[Mall]

Oo society was thriving, man. It was the Industrial Revolution.

[Baby D]

Everything was on the up and up.

[Mall]

Yeah, they made. The ipod was going nuts.

[Baby D]

Everything was on the up and up. I'm trying to tell. Oh, my God. Everything was. It's just beautiful. Everything smelled different. It was just like things were happening.

[Mall]

We were winning wars.

[Baby D]

The economy was Amazing. Wow.

[Rory]

They still had the. The factories. And.

[Baby D]

Yeah, we. Yeah, they didn't make them.

[Rory]

But, yeah, like, if it's very sensitive for us because it makes us feel like less of a woman if we aren't. If that libido is.

[Baby D]

I want to talk to her so bad. Because while Baby D is correct in the advice she's given and she's 100% correct, you know, talking to the woman is a whole different. She's gonna give us a whole different side of it. It could be a whole different thing. Like, why. You're right. She may not hear this, but if she was here, she probably. Like, that ain't it. I'm just saying it's a possibility. Cause we don't know who this woman is.

[Mall]

But Damaris giving the advice of opening that conversation, he may not know. And it could be a completely different reason. Like, he could find out exactly what it is. And, like.

[Rory]

Well, he said he's spoken to her about it, and she says she just hasn't.

[Mall]

But how he go about it? Like, yo, why we not.

[Baby D]

Yeah, Hell, yeah. Yo, what's up? I'm ready. You know, you walk in the room, like, I'm ready. Ready.

[Mall]

Just walking around knocking shit over hard.

[Rory]

Hard and knocking shit over.

[Mall]

Knocking lips shit in your hand.

[Baby D]

You knock the deodorant over off the dresser. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm ready. Ready right now. She like, yo, nah, not tonight. Not tonight.

[Mall]

You walk. You walked in from work with a water bed.

[Baby D]

Yeah, like, not tonight.

[Rory]

Well, he did ask the question. I want to open. Ask. Ask you guys this. What you think. How often do you think is, like, a healthy amount to have sex in a relationship? Not us. We're overly freaked out.

[Mall]

But what do you.

[Rory]

What do you think is a measure of health?

[Mall]

I hate that those. Y' all live together with, like, specific numbers.

[Baby D]

Like, y' all live together.

[Mall]

It depends on schedule. Like, there's a lot of factors, but it should be frequent for your schedule. Does that make sense? Yeah, Like, I hate that. Like, oh, it should be eight times. Like, to me, that's, like, weirder.

[Baby D]

Eight times a day?

[Mall]

No, for the week.

[Baby D]

Oh, who's. Eight times in one day?

[Mall]

Twice on Sunday.

[Baby D]

Yeah, twice on Sunday.

[Rory]

Let's. I don't like counting times because. Let's not count orgasms. Let's count days. How many days did we have sex every day.

[Mall]

Day.

[Baby D]

We live together, we having sex every day.

[Mall]

Sometimes people are.

[Baby D]

That's for sure.

[Mall]

If you actually tired, you had a longer day of work, and you don't Want to. I get that. It. It should be frequent to what your schedule is.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

This clearly seems like there's something wrong in their relationship.

[Baby D]

Yeah. But, okay, whatever your schedule is, you come home, right? You got to go home at the end of the day.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's. No, ma. Sometimes people are exhausted. People.

[Baby D]

Yeah, sometimes. Yeah, yeah, People.

[Mall]

I'm just saying that's why I don't like the. The number question.

[Baby D]

Question.

[Mall]

That's why my answer is frequent to what your schedule is.

[Rory]

If I was to give a number. Right. Because we can all pity Patty around. If I was to give a number, give or take, I would say, let's say a month. Because he said one to two times a month. I will go six times a month. If you live together six times a month.

[Baby D]

Six times a month.

[Rory]

At the minimum. Six times a month.

[Mall]

My work.

[Baby D]

Six times a month.

[Rory]

Minimums. Not everybody. How can.

[Baby D]

That's almost once a week.

[Mall]

Not.

[Rory]

Okay, but not. Some people are okay with sex once a week.

[Baby D]

No, no, you're changing what you're saying. Yes, some people are okay with once a week.

[Mall]

So that's why I'm saying not this guy.

[Baby D]

Right.

[Rory]

Once a week. I'm not saying you. I'm saying in a relationship, total. Like, I know I'm overly freaked out. I had six sex six times this weekend.

[Mall]

Right?

[Rory]

But for some people.

[Mall]

Wait. Weekend is just Saturday and Sunday. Y' all count Friday, too, as a weekend.

[Baby D]

Six times on the weekend. And, you know, time went back.

[Mall]

It was at five.

[Rory]

I'm gonna stop.

[Mall]

And then the clocks went back.

[Rory]

I'm gonna. I'm gonna literally stop sharing my personal life on this.

[Baby D]

Yo, you know we got an hour back, right? Rory, you know, some baby D. So.

[Mall]

That clock also counting that you six times a weekend and being able to count that, too, is crazy in my head. Be like, we just a lot this weekend.

[Baby D]

I'm sorry, baby.

[Mall]

You got that?

[Baby D]

All right, my bad, baby. Go ahead, Go ahead.

[Rory]

Meanwhile, neither one of y' all got this weekend.

[Mall]

That's a fact.

[Baby D]

Damn. Why she had to go there, though?

[Rory]

I'm just having to do it like that now. Let's all laugh. I like giggling.

[Baby D]

Yeah, but you had to do it like that.

[Rory]

Cool. Anyway, like I was saying.

[Mall]

But, like, I could if I wanted.

[Baby D]

Like, I didn't want to. Like, I'm saving myself.

[Mall]

Yeah, I'm going single by choice.

[Baby D]

My libido is low, huh? Look. Yeah, Give me all I had. I ran out of maca. Which one?

[Mall]

I went to Whole Foods. They was out of the macaroo.

[Baby D]

Oh, I'm sorry, gentlemen, sir. Yes. With baby D. Said, have the conversation and hopefully that helps. And you know, y' all end up in the healthiest spot in your relationship.

[Mall]

And I understand, I can empathize, empathize with Damaris's point of view of women have been trained that they have to all the time desirable all the time.

[Rory]

That.

[Mall]

But men have feelings as well. And sometimes it hurts to not feel desirable. If your girl don't want to you, you're going to start feeling it that type of way. So, you know, don't think that Damaris was just being one sided on that. It's okay to feel like, hey, me, you know, I'm not wanted.

[Rory]

Yeah, no, for sure. And I was just saying it's sensitive because it's like when you go to have the conversation, it might make her uncomfortable to have the conversation. Like she might feel like a failure.

[Mall]

But it's also uncomfortable for a man with our ego testosterone to also have the conversation to be like, hey, like, do you like, not like me?

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Like, like, am I trash to you or something?

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

So that's a tough conversation for both sides. But if you're in a long term relationship, I think those conversations need to be had.

[Rory]

Even tough, like financial conversation for sex conversations. Financial conversations, health conversations.

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

And I would overthink that convo. Cause I'd be like, like, damn, I don't want her to be like, want, like having to me. Like, if you don't want to me, I don't want to.

[Baby D]

Yeah. Like, don't give me no, don't.

[Mall]

Because we had this conversation. Now all of a sudden it's like, all right, all right, I'll you. Yeah, like that would make me feel even more uncomfortable. If you don't want to have sex with me, I'm not going to force a conversation where you're going to go, all right, to save the relationship.

[Sponsor Voice]

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[Mall]

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[Baby D]

Yeah, no, I'm cool.

[Mall]

I'm like, that would, that's where I would overthink the entire thing. Yeah, that's why that's a tough side for men too, to have that combo.

[Baby D]

Oh, yeah, definitely. But I mean, you know, have the conversation and call us back and let us know how everything went, because I do want to hear how it turns out. So. Yeah, thank you for that.

[Mall]

For sure.

[Sponsor Voice]

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[Mall]

Well, this was fun.

[Baby D]

This was great, man. Welcome back, Rory.

[Mall]

Yeah, thank you for having me back.

[Baby D]

Baby D. Thanks for holding it down.

[Mall]

Yes.

[Baby D]

While Rory was going.

[Rory]

What I will say is, I will give both of you guys your flowers. That was extremely hard. That was not easy for me. It was extremely hard. And I don't know how y' all do it every day. Like, because I. Like, I was telling people on my live a lot of times, me and Peach be back here. Like, I'm paying attention to y', all, but I was on out. Sometimes you can't do that when you're sitting right there. No, you cannot.

[Baby D]

So those flowers you're giving us.

[Rory]

Yeah, okay.

[Baby D]

Thank you.

[Mall]

Appreciate that.

[Baby D]

Thank you.

[Mall]

Hopefully next episode. May we get the lighting?

[Baby D]

Yeah, we're gonna. It's gonna be.

[Rory]

Go get a tan. A spray tan.

[Baby D]

It's gonna cut the light off. P. Just cut the light off.

[Rory]

Off.

[Baby D]

It's okay.

[Mall]

No, we've tried it before.

[Baby D]

Yeah, we're going to. We. We're going to do it again, though, just to show you that it's not the lights. It's your DNA.

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[Rory]

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[Baby D]

It's your DNA. I didn't say that, first of all.

[Mall]

I didn't even say, like, if I looked ugly or. I was just saying I look bright.

[Baby D]

Yeah, we're going. We. We'll try to dim it down for you a little bit. We'll try to.

[Mall]

It's like the fourth shot of my appearance.

[Baby D]

Yeah, it's crazy.

[Mall]

I feel like our caller.

[Rory]

That's a way of showing that I don't see. I don't like. Like, I don't berate Mall when he's here. Right. So, like, I had nobody to make fun of. Like, so you're here, and I love you, and I missed you, and I make. I miss making fun of you.

[Baby D]

Go back to getting verbally abused. You feel good? Good to have you back, Rory. We'll talk to you soon. Be blessed. I'm. That he's just Ginger. Peace.

[Mall]

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[Baby D]

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[Baby D]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Baby D]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Baby D]

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[Rory]

This is an iHeart podcast.