Episode 422 | Wavy Nominations

Summary

New Rory & MAL — Episode 422 | Wavy Nominations

Date: November 11, 2025
Podcast: New Rory & MAL (iHeartPodcasts & The Volume)

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Overview

This episode sees Rory, Mal, and Damaris dig deep into the newly announced Grammy nominations for 2026, debating notable snubs, surprises, and predictions for the big show. The trio’s signature blend of lighthearted banter, music industry insight, and irreverent tangents brings extra energy as they riff about the state of R&B/adult nightlife, Outkast’s Rock Hall induction, the reality behind the Grammy “rigging” controversies, and the funniest moments in their own personal and professional lives.

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Major Discussion Points & Insights

1. Classic R&B Energy & Nostalgia (03:49–04:46)

• Hosts reminisce about iconic R&B ad-libs (“oh yeah”), Joe to See, and the genre’s lost emotional touches.
• Quote: “They don’t say ‘oh my God’ enough in R&B no more...I miss a good Jodeci ‘oh yeah’.” (Rory, 03:49)

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2. Weekend Catch-ups: Fatherhood, Baby Showers, and Changing Social Habits (05:08–09:36)

• Mall talks about his nomadic dad “Jake the Snake” and family weekends.
• Rory jokes about endless baby showers, and discusses how gender dynamics at these events have shifted—men now routinely attend.
  • “When did the turn change where men were part of baby showers? I’d like to go back to when it was just the women, please.” (Mall, 07:43)

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3. Modern Adult Nightlife Preferences (09:25–10:08)

• Panel admits they now prefer early evening events ("grown and sexy") and home by 8pm, rather than the old late-night scene:
  • “Invite me early. Don’t tell me to meet you at midnight. I’m sleep though, I’m watching Tulsa King.” (Rory, 09:27)

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4. Sex & Relationship Dynamics: First Night Links, Courting, and Respect (10:08–14:16)

• The trio debates first-night hookups, societal perceptions, and whether it affects long-term potential.
  • “My best relationships have come from that... We could still be forever together forever if you let me beat the first night.” (Mall, 10:48)
• Damaris notes: “Every time I’ve hit somebody on the first night, I end up in a relationship.” (Damaris, 12:16)
• Personal stories about waiting months, or even reuniting after a decade with someone.

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5. Veterans Day and Government News (14:57–17:34)

• Brief gratitude toward veterans in their families.
• Discuss the government reopening, SNAP benefits resuming, and fairness (or lack thereof) in veteran compensation.
  • “There’s a lot of veterans on the street. Look, a lot of them AWOL.” (Rory, 17:32)

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6. Grammy Nomination Deep Dive (17:36–37:02)

R&B Categories (17:41–22:24)

• Damaris laments Mariah the Scientist’s snub: “People say she can’t sing, but the writing on her album was really good.” (Damaris, 18:16)
• The group debates:
  • Best R&B Album: Giveon (“Beloved”), Coco Jones (“Why Not?”), Lettucey (“The Crown”), Teyana Taylor (“Escape Room”), Leon Thomas (“Mutt”).
  • Consensus favorites: Leon Thomas for artistry; potential split between Coco Jones and Giveon.
  • “That Leon Thomas album was incredible...one of the best R&B albums I heard in a long time.” (Rory, 18:37)

Best R&B Song (19:53–22:00)

• Kehlani (“Folded”), Summer Walker (“Heart of a Woman”), Chris Brown/Bryson Tiller (“It Depends”), Duran Bernard (“Overqualified”), Leon Thomas (“Yes, it is”).
• Mall and Damaris lean toward “Folded,” but recognize “It Depends” and Leon Thomas as strong contenders.
• “This might be the toughest category in my opinion. Any one of these could win.” (Mall, 20:28)

Best Rap Album (22:24–25:20)

• Nominees: Clipse (“Let God Sort Them Out”), Glorilla (“Glorious”), JID (“God Does Like Ugly”), Kendrick Lamar (“GNX”), Tyler the Creator (“Chromo Copia”).
• Damaris strongly predicts Kendrick will sweep, but insists Clipse should win.
  • “GNX is going to sweep and it's going to piss me off because the Clipse deserves to win.” (Damaris, 22:44)
• Prompt debate about representation, surprise over Glorilla’s inclusion.
• “I think they’ll give it to Clipse, but not album of the year. I don’t think the Grammys has the balls to snub the Clipse twice.” (Mall, 23:57)

Album of the Year (27:50–30:44)

• Wide-ranging nominees: Justin Bieber (“Bad Money Swag”), Sabrina Carpenter, Lady Gaga, Tyler, Kendrick, Clipse, Bad Bunny, Leon Thomas.
• Most expect Kendrick or Bad Bunny to win (coinciding with Super Bowl), but celebrate Leon Thomas and Clipse’s crossover presence.
  • “It’s major... Leon and Clipse have far surpassed whatever genre they tried to put them in.” (Mall, 28:20)

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7. Grammy “Rigging” Confirmation & Industry Cynicism (33:17–37:41)

• The recent whistleblower comments by a suspended Grammy CEO spark a lively debate about award show credibility.
  • “Now it’s confirmed the Grammys are rigged… once we get confirmation, it’s like we don’t even care anymore.” (Rory, 34:19)
  • Mall breaks down the existence of “Grammy consultants” and how major labels secure nominations, but both agree: deserving artists still sometimes break through (“Leon Thomas deserved it, and I’m sure being on a major helped, but nobody would say he’s here because it’s rigged.” [Mall, 35:52])

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8. Outkast Induction: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame (43:22–48:18)

• The hosts celebrate Outkast’s legacy, brotherhood, and the positive energy surrounding their Hall of Fame induction.
  • “To see Outkast this weekend at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame—some cool shit. It’s dope to see them still together.” (Mall, 43:26)
  • Praise for Big Boi and 3 Stacks’ relationship and influence.
• Funny moment: Doja Cat botches lyrics at the event, Tyler the Creator and Janelle Monae step in.
  • “I refuse to believe Doja Cat doesn’t know Ms. Jackson. Everybody knows Ms. Jackson.” (Rory, 47:16)

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9. Summer Walker’s New Album & Marketing Gimmicks (48:42–53:53)

• Discussion of Summer Walker’s marketing stunt: fans dump ex’s belongings in a “dump truck.”
  • “Brilliant marketing. I'd be tight if I saw one of my hoodies thrown in a dump truck in Atlanta.” (Mall, 49:47)
• Hopes and expectations for the new album, predictions for features, and debate about pressure on this next project for R&B legacy.

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10. Vince Staples Show & Recent TV Picks (75:31–79:01)

• Shout-out to Vince Staples’ show’s new season; praise for its writing and comedy style.
• Recs: Chief of War (Jason Momoa), Tulsa King, Game of Thrones nostalgia, and Jason Momoa’s archetype.
  • “They got him reserved for those type of roles. He’s like The Rock but indigenous.” (Rory, 78:29)

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11. Discord, Fanmeetups & Audience Community Tangent (81:01–83:54)

• Talk about podcast fan communities becoming real-world social circles—sometimes a bit more than that.
  • “Podcast communities be [hooking up]. We can’t just put that on the Game of Thrones people!” (Damaris, 82:05)
• Hilarious confessions about accidentally hooking up with fans and awkward tour bus moments.

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12. Red Flags, Representatives, and Relationship Advice (89:42–99:51)

• Listener voicemail asks: How do you spot when someone’s “representative” (their best self) is fake?
  • “Everybody puts on their representative at first. Just watch people's habits and patterns. People can say anything.” (Mall, 92:29)
• Rory and Mall warn against people who are “too nice” or never disagree as a red flag.
• Damaris shares about ignoring early signs of insecurity and warns against relying on third parties for information about partners.
  • “We're all living in someone else’s projection of what reality is… Don’t ask nobody about me, don’t tell nobody about me. Experience me yourself.” (Damaris, 98:18)

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13. Shout-outs, RIPs & Closing Notes (88:32–101:22)

• Rest in peace to Lenny Wilkins (NBA legend) and Poster Boy (NYC rap/Freestyle Friday legend).
• Shout-outs to Reason (new album “Everything in My Soul Blue”), Royce (health updates), and other recent music.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Once you get confirmation of what we all kind of felt...it's like, duh, we knew that. People just don’t care.” (Rory, 34:19)
• “The Clipse deserves to win. GNX is going to sweep and it's going to piss me off." (Damaris, 22:44)
• “If you let me beat the first night…we could still be forever together forever.” (Mall, 10:51)
• “I refuse to believe Doja Cat doesn’t know Ms. Jackson. Everybody knows Ms. Jackson.” (Rory, 47:16)
• “Don’t ask nobody about me, don’t tell nobody about me. Experience me yourself.” (Damaris, 98:18)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• R&B & Grammy Nom Deep Dive: 17:36–37:02
• Grammy Rigging/Industry Cynicism: 33:17–37:41
• Outkast/ Rock Hall Induction: 43:22–48:18
• Summer Walker Album /Marketing: 48:42–53:53
• Listener Dating Advice/Red Flags: 89:42–99:51
• Confessional/Fan Stories: 81:01–83:54

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Tone & Style

The episode is energetic, irreverent, and candid, with plenty of self-deprecating humor and industry-insider perspective. Serious music debates are balanced with playful confessionals and sharp observations of modern life. The hosts maintain a conversational, comedic, occasionally raw NYC-adult flavor throughout.

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Summary

Episode 422 is a lively “state of the culture” slice: music’s highest honors, nightlife evolution, industry cynicism, and memorable tangents about friends, fandom, and relationships. Rory, Mal, and Damaris do what they do best: take the biggest news, break it down honestly, and still keep listeners laughing.

Transcript

[Damaris]

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[Rory]

New Warrior now who are the Grammy nominees? Oh yeah they need to bring back the oh yeah they don't say they don't say oh my God enough in R B no more yeah oh yeah.

[Mall]

I miss a good Joe to see.

[Rory]

Oh yeah, yeah you need the oh.

[Mall]

Yeah, baby cbd I think I'll cry for you probably as top one.

[Rory]

It's been announced and that's too long. That nigga was. Was Casey in love. He said it's been an hour since you've been gone and that's too long so come back home. It take more than an hour to go to Whole Foods.

[Mall]

True.

[Damaris]

Listen, that's what you need to be on. That's what you need to be on, man.

[Rory]

We are rolling. Oh, snap. My bad. Yo, Peas.

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[Rory]

Don't let me know. That's the intro.

[Mall]

That's the ice clip already.

[Rory]

Let me know the mic.

[Mall]

We can wrap the episode up. I think we got everything we need.

[Rory]

Let me know the mic is hot, man. You can't do me like. We are back. Sponsored by Boost Mobile. Rory, unlimited talk text and for unlimited.

[Mall]

That's in the copy for the. They asked for that.

[Rory]

You know we got to read it fast at the end. That's what that was.

[Mall]

They actually don't speed it up yet.

[Rory]

We got to do it that fast for sure.

[Mall]

That's what they wanted, though.

[Rory]

Yeah. How y' all doing? How y' all doing? Y. Happy to be back. Happy New Weekend.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

What you do daddy duty?

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mall]

My pop's game. My pop saw Amara. That was fun.

[Rory]

Oh, man. My guy.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

He was up here.

[Rory]

Jake the Snake.

[Mall]

Yes, he was. He was up here. He was up here with his. His little camper trailer thing.

[Damaris]

Oh.

[Rory]

Still in town. Oh, he left already.

[Mall]

He left. He left at, like, 4am today.

[Rory]

Your dad is such a nomad.

[Mall]

In and out.

[Rory]

Yeah, there's no. There's no walls. There's no four walls that can hold Jake.

[Mall]

Of course not. He hit me. He hit me on, like, Wednesday. Was like, hey, you around this weekend? I was like, yeah, by Friday. I just expected, like, maybe he just forgot.

[Sponsor Voice]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Here comes the camper right in my drop.

[Rory]

Oh, my God.

[Sponsor Voice]

Love it.

[Mall]

Two o' clock on Friday. I was like, all right, dad.

[Rory]

That's freedom right there. You ever see what American freedom looks like, Peach?

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Look at Rory's dad. He's living the American dream. Then I got just me, my camper. Is there WI fi in that thing?

[Mall]

Nah, but he has, like, a little antenna on the top. I just don't know what it does.

[Rory]

We should get him wifi.

[Mall]

I mean, they got this. What's the Stargate? What's Elon got? I had it on the cruise. That shit was great.

[Rory]

We should get him WI fi and then check in with him. Right?

[Sponsor Voice]

That's what he is.

[Mall]

I had better WI fi on the cruise ship at one point than I did in my own crib in the Bermuda Triangle. Yeah, like, I needed that Elon shit. Then we got on regular shit, no service. Yeah, we got to get him to Elon.

[Rory]

Yeah, man. Let's get the dad. Let's get your dad some WI fi so we can check on him. Just check where he is in the. In the country, man.

[Mall]

Cursing me out for not having the NFL package.

[Rory]

That's a dad. Look at that. Dad being a drag.

[Mall]

Dragged me and Amara to the bar to watch the second half of all the one o' clock games. I'm like, dad, like, listen, I'll just get the package.

[Rory]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Mall]

In the rain.

[Rory]

We're going. We're doing the thing.

[Mall]

Didn't even wait for Amar to get her jacket on. N. We out?

[Rory]

Yeah. Come on, man. Tomorrow. It's just a little bit of rain. Don't worry about that.

[Mall]

That was pretty much it for my weekend. What about you?

[Rory]

What did I do this weekend? I felt like I went out Saturday.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

I went Out. My homeboy had. He had a baby shower, so I just stopped by for. Everybody's having babies.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

It's like what adults be doing.

[Rory]

Yeah. But I'm just like, God damn. It's just like. It's one every, what, two, three weeks for me. I gotta go to like. So I just went to a baby shower and that was it. That's all I did this weekend. Okay.

[Mall]

What was your favorite?

[Rory]

Watch some movies. What was my favorite? I didn't wear Burberry. Word. I promise you, I didn't.

[Damaris]

I hope not.

[Mall]

You go against the theme.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's not. I mean, it wasn't my baby, so I can't.

[Mall]

I can't. Did you come empty handed? Did you go to the registry?

[Rory]

Registry online. They didn't want to have, you know, to have to carry anything. So I like that when people don't just, like, just order it, have it mailed to the house so we don't have to carry anything home from the baby shower. Like, everything will be delivered to the crib. Let's just come and have a celebration of life.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So that's what I did this weekend.

[Mall]

When did the turn change where, like, men were part of baby showers? Because I'd like to go back to, like, that. My homeboy had one double standard picture. Like, I don't want to be involved in it.

[Rory]

Yeah. It was just women of the family, like, friends, and they just have their get together and they talk about, you know, bash men all day.

[Mall]

Yeah. Like, please, go back to that.

[Rory]

Go back to that. Let us just come.

[Mall]

Cucumber sandwiches with the crust cut off. Mimosas. Like, I don't want to be a part of this. Like, this is.

[Rory]

It's not for us.

[Mall]

Yeah. Don't put me in the fake throne next to you. Like, I don't. Come on.

[Rory]

Yeah. I don't want to sit in this big straw chair and take pictures with your family that I don't know. I don't want to do that.

[Mall]

And then just have a bunch of people tell, hey, the work starts now.

[Rory]

Yeah. You'll say goodbye to sleep.

[Mall]

Yeah. Right.

[Rory]

Shut the fuck up. All right, cool. I'm looking forward to it.

[Mall]

Yeah. Or they'll say, how bad everything thing's gonna be and then end with. But it's the most magical time of your life.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Like, it didn't sound that way. The way you just described it actually sounds like my life is preparing me for hell.

[Rory]

It's hell week, baby D. How you feeling?

[Damaris]

I feel amazing.

[Rory]

What you did this Week, you know, I just.

[Damaris]

I reflected. It was my first weekend alone in a while.

[Rory]

I've been running around, I thought about you. Saturday, I was gonna call you and just with you. But I know if you just saw me calling, you'd been like, what the.

[Mall]

Yeah, what's wrong?

[Damaris]

I don't know what's wrong. Something happened.

[Narrator]

Please.

[Rory]

You know, I don't never call. So see me call him, see my name pop up. It's like, you should have linked.

[Damaris]

We should have went out. But me and ma gonna go out tomorrow.

[Rory]

We outside, Baby D. We outside in.

[Damaris]

The streets tomorrow, baby.

[Rory]

Thank you for inviting me. No problem, Baby D. What you guys gonna do? It's her friend's birthday, right?

[Damaris]

Yeah, it's my friend's birthday.

[Mall]

Okay. You don't have to say location. What type of vibe? Like, is it hookah? Is it grown?

[Damaris]

Grown sexy hookah.

[Mall]

You know, grown in, sexy.

[Rory]

Some happy hour.

[Damaris]

Had a little happy hour on.

[Rory]

Hookah.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

Happy out. Yeah, it's early. See, I'm getting older. Invite me early. Don't tell me to meet you at midnight. I'm sleep though. I'm sleep. I'm watching Tulsa King.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You know what I'm saying? I'm watching first 48 reruns. Don't call me after 11 o' clock tomorrow. Yo, we going here tonight. Don't do that.

[Mall]

People shit on industry events. But I love an event that starts at 6:30. Yeah, like I'm cool with that.

[Rory]

Yeah, get me out early so I can get home by 8 o'.

[Mall]

Clock.

[Rory]

I want to be home by 8. That's where I'm at in my life. If you're my friend, I'm want to be home by 8. Don't invite me to nothing after 8 o'.

[Sponsor Voice]

Clock.

[Mall]

And if you catch some rhythm at the birthday party, like you have enough time. Cause like if you catch rhythm at 3am, I'm too tired. We're not. But going back to my spot and if we do, I'm gonna snooze and I don't even want to sleep next to you.

[Rory]

Do girls leave? Do girls meet you out still and go home with you the same night? Does that still happen?

[Mall]

I wouldn't, but I mean, at one point it was a thing.

[Rory]

Baby, no, please, please, let's just.

[Mall]

Let's just.

[Rory]

Cuz I heard the ad, Libby D. So I gotta come right back to you.

[Damaris]

Please?

[Rory]

Nah. Cause you gave me a chuckle. Let me know what's going on. Let's just focus on the music, Baby D. Are women still meeting men out. They potentially going back home with them or to a hotel with them, depending on if the vibe is cool.

[Mall]

Why do you think there's so many baby showers?

[Rory]

Yeah, but that's like, people that I've know that have been together for a.

[Mall]

While, but it started that way.

[Rory]

Oh, it started.

[Mall]

Yeah. Those are the best relationships. Yeah. I don't like that disdain people put on, like, one first night. Like.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

My best relationships have come from that.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

We could still be forever together. Forever. If you let me beat the first night.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Got that out the way. Now we know this is cool. Now we can build together.

[Rory]

Yeah. Because nothing is worse than waiting. And you go out on a couple dates, you caught a woman. I mean, you definitely should court. No for sure, but it's nothing worse than when you court a woman. You spend all of this time, you know, hanging out. Now, she's great. She gets your jokes. Y' all got the same type of sense of humor. Da, da, da, da. And then the first time you ready to get into it. Guess what, baby D, that booty stinks just a little more now I don't like you no more.

[Mall]

And isn't it better that you see, I court you after I beat, like, me courting for weeks on weeks, and then I finally beat.

[Sponsor Voice]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Cause what's worse, baby D, if I caught you for weeks and then we get into it, and then I'll ghost you because your butt stink or like, first night link, everything is great and I'm still courting you after. Yeah.

[Mall]

Let's do breakfast the next morning type thing.

[Damaris]

Depends. It depends on the person.

[Rory]

Depends on the person. Yeah. It depends on. So if the guy ghosts you, like you. Cool. Depending on who it is.

[Damaris]

No, but. No but.

[Mall]

What's more. What's more respected to a woman in that regard? Like, oh, hey, look, I made him win.

[Damaris]

It depends on the guy and what I think he values. It depends on what I think you value.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Damaris]

Because there's some people that will. They'll be like, you know, they'll keep like with you after you beat on the first night, but they don't exactly respect that, so you'll never get elevated to something.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Damaris]

That happens a lot.

[Mall]

That's more so on the.

[Damaris]

Not me.

[Mall]

Every time.

[Damaris]

Every time I've hit somebody on the first night, I end up in a relationship.

[Rory]

So every time you crack them on the first night, baby, I was giving you the verse. I was giving you the hook before that, baby. I was getting into the verse, the pre race.

[Mall]

Not even the bridge.

[Damaris]

Nah, the Grammys.

[Mall]

What's the longest you ever waited?

[Rory]

The longest I ever waited. I waited one time. I courted a girl for, like, three months.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Damaris]

Was it worth it?

[Rory]

It was. Hey, it definitely was. We still cool? Like, to this day, we're not. Obviously not together, but we still cool.

[Mall]

Yeah. I don't know how the longest I've waited. Like, with it. Like, with intentions. Like, I'm intentionally.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah. I didn't. Wait, wait, wait. Let me clear that up. I wasn't happy that I had to wait, but I did. Like, you know what I'm saying? It's cool. You know what I'm saying? Whatever. Like, I'm not thinking about it. And it happened. I was like, okay, that was. That was worth it.

[Mall]

Yeah. I spun the block, like, with a decade in between. And then she made me wait, which I thought was actually kind of funny, but cool.

[Rory]

Wait, you. You waited for a decade?

[Mall]

No, no. Like we used to with each other.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

Then a decade passed.

[Rory]

Oh.

[Mall]

And then we reconnected, and, like, she made. No, she made me wait. Like, I already know what her booty hole looked like.

[Rory]

She said we're doing it different this time. I love when they do it different.

[Mall]

Like. Nah, still not. Still us.

[Rory]

Yeah, still. Like, Come on, man. I've seen it when it was a little bit of hair on it, like a Kiwi.

[Mall]

Come on.

[Rory]

Yeah. Don't make me wait. Don't make me wait. Yeah. I'm not trying to wait. I know what it looked like.

[Damaris]

Yo, Balloon. Yo. I'm just warning the listeners is I won today. I don't know what type of night.

[Mall]

Very silly.

[Damaris]

He had a crazy night last night, but he.

[Rory]

I'm just happy for life. See, when I come in here, happy to be just living and breathing, y' all like, yo, this on one. Not coming here. Don't talk and just sit down. Because I like to wait. I don't like to give y' all the spill before the mic turn on. Yo, this ma acting funny.

[Mall]

I like this energy, though.

[Rory]

You do? Yeah.

[Mall]

I could even tell when I got off the elevator, the mess with the Long John, I knew he was on some type of talk, man, you see me here.

[Rory]

God damn it.

[Mall]

Jamaican on top. Bronx under. Yeah, I see what you're trying to do.

[Damaris]

Jamaican on top.

[Rory]

Big up yourself. Big up. This is my. Big up yourself.

[Mall]

Pick up yourself every time you say big up yourself. All right, so Demaris took the weekend to reflect. I get it fall solstice, seasons are changing, so she wants to change.

[Rory]

Make sure winter solstice here, people change, like the seasons. And Baby D change that hair. When Baby D changed that hair, that's when you know she acting up.

[Damaris]

Oh, don't worry. A side part bust down with Red is coming.

[Mall]

I was about to say, when are we bringing back red hair?

[Damaris]

The red is coming soon, baby.

[Rory]

And when you bring that red shaka.

[Mall]

Back, yo, it's not even Mondani's safe. The city's on fire.

[Rory]

Encore.

[Mall]

What was that last word you say? Encore?

[Damaris]

Yeah, that's the shock the shaka concept.

[Rory]

Oh, it's Veterans Day today, right? Well, technically.

[Mall]

Technically, yes.

[Rory]

If you're listening.

[Mall]

Hold on, man.

[Rory]

Salute to all the veterans. Let's take a look. Pause real quick. Salute. Thank you to all the veterans around the world. We appreciate you. Appreciate your service to this country. We are nothing without you. Something without you, but probably a little bit more with you.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Protecting our country. Thank you very much for your sacrifice. And, yeah, happy Veterans Day for sure.

[Mall]

Over the weekend.

[Rory]

Your dad's a veteran, right? No, I feel like all dads.

[Mall]

My grandfather's veteran. My cousin Evan, who's called into the show before, is a veteran.

[Rory]

Oh, salute to Cousin Heav.

[Mall]

So, yeah, no, I got veterans in my family, but, no, my pops, I think he said he had a number for, like, the last month of Vietnam, but he was, like, had just turned 18 or some shit. Yeah. But no, he never. Never went to war.

[Rory]

I got to ask my dad about Vietnam.

[Mall]

Was your dad in Vietnam? Okay.

[Rory]

I want. I want to get the stories, though.

[Mall]

I feel like the fact that he hasn't is purposeful. I think there's a reason why he hasn't been like, son, let me tell you about. Now, let me tell you about the rice patties.

[Rory]

Yeah, let me. Let me. Let me tell you all about my experience over there. It was. It was Charlie everywhere in the bush. We waited 12 days. No food, no water.

[Damaris]

Yo, stop. Shout out to us.

[Mall]

Shout out to the veterans.

[Damaris]

Shout out to the veterans. Because they're. Especially if you're still in the military right now. They're not getting paid currently, which is crazy.

[Mall]

There's a lot of. We going on.

[Rory]

We back. We back on. The government back on. Y' all opened. It's open.

[Damaris]

Oh, I didn't know you flipped the switch, Big Dog.

[Rory]

You know, Big Don went in there.

[Sponsor Voice]

And made it happen.

[Rory]

It was like, listen, he was the.

[Mall]

One that shut it down.

[Rory]

No, see, no, he did it. No, he did It. No, I'm just. Listen, we ain't gonna do that. But, yes, the government is back open. So thank you to everybody that voted last night. We were able to get the government back open. People were able to get their SNAP benefits back started. So, yes, thank you all very much.

[Mall]

Oh, I hope they overcharged what they did to the coal crush. Like, back paying shit. I hope TSA workers, everyone, like, gets the money they're owed when they weren't getting paid.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, they gonna get that.

[Mall]

Okay, good, though. I'm fine with my tax dollars going.

[Rory]

Yeah. They just had to get some other things straight at the table first. You know I'm saying negotiation.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

That's all it was.

[Mall]

And I mean, how. How do veterans, like, like, do veterans get paid? Yeah, no, but, like, the way they should.

[Rory]

If they. If they do. If they go through all the proper protocol and get.

[Mall]

Now, if you went, like, almost dying for our country.

[Rory]

Yeah, but if you went awol, then I don't think you get fair.

[Mall]

Like, how many people go awol?

[Rory]

A lot.

[Mall]

Like, your pops just popped up back in East Harlem and they was. Yeah, I thought she was in now.

[Rory]

Yeah, some people just like, how do.

[Mall]

You get from Nam to.

[Rory]

Yeah, I'm never going back to that. That. Yeah, if you're not awol, then. Yeah, the veterans, they. They do a pretty good job, I guess, of the veterans. Veterans helping them.

[Mall]

I don't know about all that. I see a lot of them on the street. Well, a lot of them, like, in the garb.

[Rory]

A lot of them awol.

[Mall]

Fair enough.

[Rory]

See what I'm saying?

[Mall]

I saw no one talking about the Grammy nominations over the weekend because nobody.

[Rory]

Cares about the gram.

[Damaris]

I did, actually.

[Mall]

I mean, I. I went and looked at them. I cared, but I got in a couple.

[Damaris]

Not little arguments, but little arguments.

[Rory]

You got into arguments about the Grammy nominee?

[Damaris]

Not arguments, little debates about what. Because Mariah didn't get nominated.

[Rory]

Mariah Carey?

[Damaris]

Mariah the scientist.

[Rory]

What would she be nominated for? Best R and B.

[Damaris]

Best R and B album or song? I think Best R and B album, not song. I don't think Burn and Blue should have been a contender, but whatever. So she didn't get nominated. And people were like, oh, thank God she can't fucking sing. And I'm just like. The writing on her album was. She had really good writing on her album.

[Rory]

I'm not mad at.

[Damaris]

Compared to anybody else's.

[Rory]

I'm not mad at these nominees. The nominees for best R B albums are. Giveon with beloved Coco Jones Why not? More Lettucey with the Crown, Teyana Taylor, Escape Room and Leon Thomas Mutt. Yeah, I think Leon gonna pack y' all up.

[Damaris]

I think Liana probably pack.

[Rory]

As much as I would love to see Tiana get a. Get a Grammy, that Leon Thomas album was. Was incredible. That's one of the best R and B albums I heard in a long time.

[Damaris]

I would have. I would have. I would give it to Give y' all on or Coco, but that's just me.

[Rory]

Yeah, I'm giving it to Give Yawn and Coco and let the split it.

[Damaris]

Give Yann or Coco. But we love Leon over here. Leon knows he's. He's loved as family, but I just think with.

[Mall]

With the quality of music. Yeah, you could debate between Coco Giveon and Leon Thomas, but the impact that Leon made while doing so, not so much traditional R B, but moving the genre forward with sound. I. I think he just. Yeah, he deserves. I think it's a cleanup for Leon if you're checking all the boxes. Yeah. But congrats to Tiana and let us see as well. Just for being nominated. Both. Both great albums, but yeah. Yeah, I think. I think Leon's cleaning up. As far as best R and B song, which. Which would you take off Tamaris? I'm not against.

[Damaris]

I didn't say. I didn't say. I don't think that Mariah. I think Burning Blue was really big and. But I think that her album deserved to be in best R and B album. That's just my opinion. But for song, I wouldn't take anybody off for song.

[Mall]

Yeah, I think they kind of nailed it on the song area. I'm kind of shocked they went with.

[Damaris]

I might take Burning Blue over Heart of a Woman. The songs for the best, the R, Best R and B song nominees are Folded by Kehlani, Heart of a Woman by Summer Walker, It Depends by Chris Brown and Bryson Tiller. Overqualified by Duran Bernard. And yes, it is by Leon Thomas.

[Rory]

That's a tough category. That's tough. That might be tougher than album. R B album.

[Damaris]

I think Folded deserves it. If Mutt was on here, I personally like. Yes, it is over Mutt, but Mutt had the bigger.

[Mall]

Just came out, man. Before the whole Brown.

[Rory]

Bryson Tiller. Yeah, that's tough.

[Mall]

I think Folded was the. The song of the year, but I wouldn't be mad at any one of these songs. Yeah, like, this might be the toughest category in my opinion. I think Folded should get it. But if any other record won here, I'd be like, yeah, I understand. But it should be between Folded and it depends. I would have preferred Not Fair by Leon Thomas over yes, it is. But I think Not Fair is. Is like the superior record. Yes, but I mean, I get it was on the original Mutt album, and that's what's nominated.

[Damaris]

Leon said, so when you tell me that it's mine so when I. When I ask you if it's mine All I want to hear is yes, it is My ears are sensitive so when I ask you if it's mine All I want to hear is yes.

[Rory]

It is Chanel in every city sitting pretty, talking dirty hello. Whoa, whoa when he said that, I said, this nigga's a genius.

[Mall]

Right on the wall this nigga's a genius.

[Rory]

The boy's good. The boy's good. Now, now, y', all, I'm not gonna lie. That R and B song nominee is. That's a tough category. I think Chris Brown and Bryson might win that.

[Damaris]

That won't be fair.

[Rory]

If anything, that overqualified Duran Bernard record is crazy. Like, that's just a tough category.

[Damaris]

But Folded was folded.

[Rory]

Folded is not. Folded is a smash. That's a big record. But Chris Brown and Bryson.

[Mall]

Well, congrats to Bryson. Cause we had him on the show and clearly he's right after he was about not wanting to do music.

[Rory]

Right after he was on our show, he became the biggest selling rp. Yes. That's to the. That's us. We did that.

[Mall]

Oh, for sure we did that. That's why Nori called. He was like, yo, I saw the Bryson interview.

[Rory]

You're welcome. Shout out to Bryson.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah. I mean, I think that is good, though, for him because he. He definitely has a bad taste in his mouth with the music industry. And not to say that the Grammys validifies anything, but, you know, I think it's great that he's getting flowers for the record he did with Chris Brown. Because it depends. Is incredible. We can go back to rap album of the year. Do we feel like they missed anything? I. I was not mad at all the nominations this year, to be quite honest.

[Rory]

Before we gonna think they kind of.

[Damaris]

You know what's gonna piss me off when gnx. Okay, sorry. The official nominees for best rap album at the 2026 Grammys are. Let God Sort Them out by the clips. Glorious by Glorilla. God does like Ugly by J I D, GNX by Kendrick Lamar. Chromo Copia by Tyler the Creator. GNX is going to sweep and it's going to piss me off because the Clips deserves to win. And that's not.

[Rory]

Kendrick just opened his mouth. Someone go handle my Grammy right now. Jamal, where is your aunt? Jamal? I'm just saying the boy is prophetic. That's all I'm saying.

[Mall]

He's a. He's a Grammy darling.

[Rory]

That's.

[Mall]

That goes without saying. Do we think Alfredo2 should have been in here?

[Rory]

Absolutely.

[Mall]

Okay, but what do we take out?

[Rory]

Gen X?

[Mall]

You can't take out one of the highest selling.

[Rory]

All right, so let me be misogynistic, Glorilla.

[Mall]

Okay? I would agree with you. The only reason I was trying to.

[Rory]

Keep a female representation there, I was trying.

[Mall]

The only reason why I think they got it right because I'm not looking at whatever my taste is. If you're trying to put together a proper category that does reflect the entire genre, I could see why you would put Gloria in there. The album is good. I personally would put Alfredo to there before it. But I get why they would do this. Like, yeah, some. Sometimes they keep it fair, sometimes they don't. I could never really, you know, figure that out with the Grammys, but, I mean, congrats to everyone in this category. I think. I think they'll. I think they'll give it to clips. Let God sort them out, but won't give it to them in the album of the year category. I don't think they'll snub the clips twice. I don't think the Grammys has the balls to do that.

[Damaris]

They've did it to Beyonce like 15 times. You don't think they got the balls to do it to the clips.

[Mall]

Yeah, but Beyonce never sold coke.

[Damaris]

You don't know that. You don't know that.

[Rory]

Not knowing if Beyonce ever. So coke.

[Mall]

She's never stepped on something to make it.

[Rory]

Yeah, Beyonce never tap danced on a brick before. We know that.

[Damaris]

So y' all don't think that Jid could be taken out for Alfredo too?

[Mall]

No.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

No, it would be Glorilla for me in the rap category, but I. I don't want that to look like it's Glorilla hate, because she is my favorite female rapper and I thought the album was good.

[Rory]

But Glorilla is your favorite female rapper currently.

[Damaris]

He didn't say of all time.

[Mall]

He said definitely not of all time.

[Rory]

Oh, I'm about to be like, what is happening? But currently, no, no.

[Mall]

She's my favorite rapper of all time. Not even female of all time. All time.

[Rory]

All genres.

[Mall]

Across all genres.

[Rory]

All genres and genders.

[Mall]

It's Glorilla that's like.

[Rory]

Yeah, no, it's glow. Big glow.

[Mall]

I thought she should have been nominated in the R B category too.

[Rory]

Yeah. So she has some melody on there, but yeah.

[Mall]

Predictions. I'm going clips. Damaris, you say GNX mall.

[Damaris]

Predictions, not who you think should win.

[Rory]

Predictions. Oh, Kendrick.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I think you know that. We know what we know.

[Damaris]

What would yalls preference be? Who do you think should win?

[Mall]

Clips.

[Rory]

Yeah, clips.

[Damaris]

Clips. I'm going with clips too.

[Mall]

Clips, for sure. Rap song. We have clips. The Birds don't sing. Tyler, Sticky, Glorilla, TJI Fridays, Kendrick Lamar, TV off. Dolce Anxiety.

[Damaris]

I think Sticky. Nope. I think Sticky is gonna win. Me personally, this could just be because I'm a girl. I think TJIF deserves to win. It's 7pm Friday. It's 95 degrees.

[Mall]

It's a great.

[Damaris]

No, got me. My bad.

[Mall]

You know, I think that that should win best performance after her reflection.

[Damaris]

No, but seriously, I think that that song had the biggest impact. Listen, I think that song had the biggest impact when it came out, and I think it lasted the longest out of all of those songs.

[Mall]

I agree with you there. Yeah, you. You make a very good point with. With that. I do think. I think the clips may clean up. I think Birds Don't Sing may get this too.

[Damaris]

It is a very Grammy song, Glorilla.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

It's got John Legend on it. Come on, let me get the hook.

[Rory]

The birds don't sing. The birds don't sing. They screech in pain. The birds don't sing. You gotta get at a Grammy. The birds don't sing, they screech in pain. I'd be like, john, get the fuck out the hoop with that shit. John, get your ass.

[Mall]

That's actually one of the better John Legend hooks I've heard in a very long time. I like that.

[Rory]

H that because John, right here. Stay right.

[Mall]

See the line. We only need this.

[Rory]

We only need this. Y' all don't go crazy.

[Mall]

But yeah, I see birds don't sing. Did they announce the performance? Stuff like who's.

[Damaris]

No, they probably did. I ain't check.

[Mall]

I could see them doing Birds Don't Sing at the Grammys with John Legend. And if John is busy, you know, I don't know, saving the Democratic Party, they should just. They should just hire molecules. I think, just to fill in.

[Rory]

I'm available right here.

[Mall]

The same way ho took Bridget Kelly to do Alicia Keys part. I feel like you could be. You're the Bridget Kelly to Alicia Keys to John Legend.

[Rory]

Oh, in my opinion, okay. In Europe, you're his Bridget and you're very humble.

[Mall]

You're Ma Kelly to. To John Legend. But I think Laurelli should get best rap performance with that record.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Mall]

Because that. That was by far the best performance out of everything.

[Damaris]

Album of the year nominations. Debbie Tirer. Maz photos.

[Mall]

I was gonna. Yeah, I was gonna let you go.

[Damaris]

Bad Money Swag by Justin Bieber, Man's best Friend by Sabrina Carpenter. Let God sort Him out Clips. Pusha T and Malice clips. Mayhem by Lady Gaga, GNX by Kendrick Lamar, Mutt by Leon Thomas and Chromo Copia by Tyler the Creator. Bad Bunny should win.

[Mall]

Well, I just want to say congrats to Leon and clips for being in the album of the year nomination, because again, we know the Grammys shout out to Leon.

[Rory]

That's major. That's major. Leon.

[Mall]

Amazing that you guys have far surpassed whatever genre they have tried to put you in. So I think that's incredible because everyone else here has been nominated, I think, for album of the year before shout out to Tyler because I thought they played him with. With Igor by making a rap album instead of album of the year. So I think that's great as well. This is the one, I think, ironically, I think this is the one that GNX does take. I'm giving my predictions, not what, not what. I. Even though I do like GNX a lot, I'm just giving you what I think is going to happen.

[Rory]

Do you think he deserves it?

[Mall]

If album of the year is based off numbers, impact, and dominating the year within the Grammy dates, then, yeah, I don't think that's a bad take for. For what it did, impact wise.

[Damaris]

Justin Bieber up. Justin, I was about to say y' all got. Y' all got the Grammys and Justin Bieber up.

[Mall]

First of all, I think Swag is an incredible album. I think Swag two is an incredible album. I would never be mad at that. But, I mean, I. I think. I don't know, with the insider trading that we're gonna get to eventually. This is what, two weeks before Super Bowl?

[Rory]

Come on. You saw him high five. Lucian. Sir Lucian. Last year, you saw the high five. That five meant we're gonna parlay this over into next year to the next Grammys as well.

[Damaris]

Nah, I think bad. I think. I think bad Boonie gonna get it.

[Mall]

Yeah, this is too close to. To the super bowl, man.

[Damaris]

And also, if y' all talking about numbers and impact, like, come on, Baboony.

[Mall]

Is this like. Is this like His Illmatic. You know, I'm like. I'm asking, like, where is this in. In Bad Bunnies?

[Damaris]

Don't piss me off.

[Mall]

I'm not trying to be like. I'm really trying to have a serious conversation. I don't know enough about his. His discography.

[Rory]

Like, this is not his.

[Mall]

Is this one? Is this one.

[Damaris]

I don't think this is his Illmatic.

[Rory]

The album was dope. Okay, sure, Definitely.

[Mall]

Well, like, compared to the rest of his catalog. I mean, everyone's like, yo, he took it to the next level.

[Rory]

I'm not the one to speak on that. I'm not that big of a bad Puerto Rican. Yeah, but I don't. I don't consume the music like that. But, I mean, I know that this album definitely shook the bodegas up for sure. Yeah. You couldn't order turkey and cheese without hearing this album. That wasn't happening.

[Mall]

But, yeah, I think. I think with super bowl, that. That Bad Bunny may get it, but if not, I'm on the side of gnx. But what's your final answer? You're going with Tyler, right?

[Rory]

No. Come on, man. Gnx.

[Mall]

You're going with gnx. Damaris.

[Damaris]

I'm going with Swag. Oh, I'm going with Bad Bunny. I lied. I'm going with Bad Bunny.

[Mall]

I would like to see Swag win just because I saw Justin Bieber with some. Some alleged coke on.

[Damaris]

I think it was cigarette ash.

[Rory]

That's why you want him to win, because you saw coke on his.

[Mall]

I want to see the speech. If he's in that, like, that bag right now, I prefer the moment. I don't care about the awards.

[Rory]

Yeah, like what?

[Mall]

I want beef. I want beef to get it up.

[Rory]

I don't care who's taking the trophy home.

[Mall]

I need a Beeb speech.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

I could care less about a Kendrick or Bad Bunny speech. Biebs off a little because that's the last award, too. So that means they're sitting there with their vices that long.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Like, beeves may use the bathroom three or four times before album of the year. That could be a crazy speech. These may show up shirtless to that.

[Rory]

That album was dope, though. Like, B album.

[Mall]

Oh, it's incredible.

[Rory]

Yeah. About that album was dope.

[Mall]

I could even see Bieber Valley bringing up. Bringing up the real wave.

[Rory]

Max.

[Mall]

I could definitely see it.

[Rory]

That's not happening.

[Mall]

Like, no connection at all. But just. Just. He just comes up with him. Like, the way Eminem used to bring proof up for, like, stuff. I could see Beeves bringing up up Max B. No to accept album on his behalf.

[Rory]

That won't happen on his behalf. You taking home Max.

[Mall]

Max is now affiliated with. With the Saudis via French. Yeah, it's a different. The people funding the Grammys right now. Max may host for all we know.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Well, welcome home to Max B.

[Damaris]

Welcome home to the Wave.

[Mall]

It was great to see him at the jets game having some fun. I. I did not go to his. His welcome home party. I wasn't sure if. If I'd see you in those videos in the background. But that's not you. That's not your thing.

[Damaris]

Why not, Ma?

[Mall]

It looked wholesome.

[Rory]

Oh, no. I'm sure they had a great time. Yes. I wasn't gonna be there.

[Mall]

Okay, gotcha.

[Rory]

Somebody just came home doing 17. I won't be at that first party. No.

[Mall]

Everyone's in good spirits.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Give it a week. Give it a week is all right. Yeah. Once that.

[Rory]

But shout out to Max B. Welcome home. I am excited to hear any new music that he's been working on. I think right now, more than ever is a perfect time for Max, especially where, you know, music, the sound of hip hop is right now. A lot of melodies. Many people don't do it as good as Max do. So I think it's a perfect time, especially New York. Just New York. The music scene in New York right now is. We can use it. We can use a Max B tape right now.

[Mall]

Some melodic shit as well. If I was on Max B's team, I would try to get him to be pressed for the Grammys red carpet. I think that would be.

[Damaris]

Oh, that would be great.

[Mall]

Hysterical. I think Max should do as much of that type of stuff as possible.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

I think his music still fits with the times. Like, he's one of those. But Max's personality right now is the gold mine. Like, Max on the red carpet would be the funniest thing ever. And he could just ask all the questions of, like, is this really rigged? Because that. That kind of skipped over. Did that get the press you thought it was going to get with the whistleblower?

[Rory]

No, nobody cares, Rory.

[Damaris]

And also everybody kind of already, like.

[Rory]

Knew that nobody cares.

[Mall]

Okay, but y' all don't think it's crazy even though we knew this, that the suspended Grammy CEO, which I also think it's hilarious. You could be suspended as the Grammy CEO, did an interview with NBC saying that the Grammys are rigged. Mind you, this was the CEO. Grammys are rigged. Either artist influence or their labels execs do it on their behalf. Deserving artists are removed out of the spot, and decisions are made mostly by white male execs. Not that this was like a shocker bombshell the way they said it.

[Rory]

It was confirmation, though.

[Mall]

But it's like, this is the CEO.

[Rory]

It's confirmation. But that's the thing. Once you get confirmation on things that we all kind of felt and to some extent known, like, once we get the confirmation, it's like we don't even care no more. It's like we. Like, duh. We knew that. But the point still stands of yes. So now it's confirmed that the Grammys are rigged, which is why some artists you see don't care about the Grammys, don't go to the Grammys, don't support the Grammys, because they notice as well that this is all rigged. It's just for. It's like a big talent show. It's like a. What do they call it? Like a participation trophy. A lot of the times we see our favorite artists that have great years, they don't. Either they don't get nominated or they don't end up winning their category that they should win. But this is why it's all rigged. It's all a part of a whole thing behind the scenes, you know, relationships and things like that that play more. More of a part in it than the music being actually good. So, I mean, we been knew that, you know, she just confirmed what we've known. But again, Rory, I don't think people really. People don't care.

[Mall]

Well, I mean, I think it's just a reflection of everything. I don't think this just happens in the music industry. It happens with literally every business. But I don't know. You guys know I have mixed feelings with the Grammys. I don't think it defines you, but I think it's also cool if you want to be Grammy nominated or win a Grammy. Like, I think both are fine.

[Rory]

You can walk into a room a little differently when you're Grammy nominated. You could walk into a recording studio a little differently when you're Grammy nominated. Forget winning. Yeah, just being nominated, your walk is a little different through those.

[Mall]

You're amongst names of people that you idolized as a kid. But I mean, even like. Like, I don't know. I do think there's gray areas. Like, Leon Thomas deserved it. I'm sure him being on a major helped with the influence there. But nobody would say Leon is here because it's rigged. So I don't know as much as we know it's rigged. I'm. There are people that still are, well, deserving within their awards. Even if it's rigged, even if you're on a major. Like I told you guys, when, with my first album, when I got the price of what a Grammy consultant is, I was like, wait, that's a full time job? Yeah, it's six figures to hire a Grammy consultant where all they do is just consult.

[Rory]

No, you should do this. No, this person should be.

[Mall]

This was like a no show mob job.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

What do you mean?

[Mall]

They sit and they. They go to meetings and just say, this one. Yeah, here's some money.

[Rory]

There you go.

[Mall]

But I don't know, I still don't think it takes away from the people that do deserve it.

[Rory]

No, I mean, sometimes people get snubbed. We know that. But you know, for the most part, at the end of the year, the songs or the artists that we think should be there, they usually find a way to get them in one of those categories. May not be the category we want or expect, may not always be the winner that we expect. But, you know, we can point to some years and I'm not gonna. I won't do it. But I could point to some years where influence was directly a thing.

[Mall]

Every year. Yeah, not in every category. Whatever.

[Rory]

It's one year, though. It's one.

[Mall]

It's Macklemore.

[Rory]

No, it's one year, but. Oh, that's another one. Yeah, definitely.

[Damaris]

It's a couple years.

[Rory]

Oh, it's a few years. I was like, all right.

[Mall]

You don't think he thrifted that Grammy?

[Rory]

Listen, man, you know, just. Blessings to everybody, man. Blessings to all. Blessings to all. That's all I can say. No worry.

[Mall]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

Speaking of award shows, did you watch the Outkast Rock and Roll hall of Fame on Saturday?

[Rory]

I didn't watch the Disney, but I watched them Accept their award salute to outkast. Congratulations on the Rock and Roll hall of Fame. I mean, much deserved, we know that. But it was just dope to see outkast, man, again. I'm a little older than y', all, so I remember outkast from the very beginning. And to see them, you know, this weekend going to the Rock and Roll hall of Fame was just. It was some cool shit to see that, man. It was dope to see them, you know, still together. A lot of the times, you know, it'd be a lot of negative things when you talk about groups and bands when it's time to go into the hall of Fame, you know, certain members don't speak to each other anymore. It's a lot of bullshit. But with big boy and 3,000, it's always been a brotherly relationship, you know that their family, they've kept it that way the entire way. So it was dope to see them receive their flowers and their hall of Fame.

[Mall]

Yeah. And I thought Childish Gambino did a great speech on exactly what. What you said before they got on stage. Just about that entire thing of like, you can have disagreements with somebody, but that doesn't change the family or what.

[Rory]

You guys built, like, right?

[Mall]

Even when we thought outkast was broken up, then you'd find like leaked pictures of three stacks at Big Boy son's high school football games. Like, yo, we put way too much into people's personal lives. Like, just cause they're not making music just doesn't mean they're not.

[Rory]

We're not making music. Don't mean we not still family, though. We don't still speak, obviously. 3,000, his, you know, his creative. His creative energy has kind of shifted a little bit. And he's doing exactly what he wants to do and creating what he wants to create. But again, I mean, what outkast means to hip hop in the culture, just to the south, you know, it was just. It was. It was really cool to see them on stage as outcasts.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

3,000. As 3,000. You know, big Boy gotta have a fur on, you know, I mean, it's just like they ain't changed. They script much, man. They still who they are when they first came in.

[Mall]

And with all the Dungeon Fam too. Not just the two of them up there.

[Rory]

Rest in peace, Rico. Wade.

[Mall]

Yeah. Three Sacks was seeing people in the crowd like, no, you need to come.

[Rory]

Up here too, man. Like, yeah, it's family. It's family. And that's what would outkast represent And I think that we all. From the first time you've ever saw outkast or heard their music, I think we all collectively knew that they would end up in the hall of Fame.

[Mall]

Yeah, I did see a lot of people upset that Three Stacks didn't participate in the actual performance stuff. But to your point, I thought that was cool. Like, Three Stacks is just going to do what he wants to do. If you don't want to perform, he's going to go sit down and Big Boy is going to do what he wants to do.

[Rory]

I want to perform.

[Mall]

So Jid filled in. I thought Jid did an incredible job. And I just think that's. That's cool from. You know, Jid and I think are the exact same age. Like, just thinking of that perspective. He grew up in Atlanta. Like, now I get to rock with Big Boy at the Rock and Roll hall of Fame and rap with him. Like, I'm sure that was probably crazier than him putting out his album this year.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah.

[Mall]

Like, I get to do this.

[Rory]

It's more of a personal, like, just dream to be able to do that.

[Mall]

Yeah. You gotta speak. You gotta speak for your homegirl, man.

[Rory]

Who's my homegirl?

[Damaris]

Go.

[Mall]

Let's. Let's get into the rest of performance. It came out with At Aliens, Big Boy and Jid smoked that. And then your homegirl came out.

[Rory]

Who?

[Mall]

Doja Cat. Which I was like, great pick. I think Doja Cat would be a great. Even if it's not obvious, definitely still part of the Outcast family tree as far as sound goes.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

You see.

[Rory]

You see the influence.

[Mall]

She didn't even know the lyrics to Ms. Jackson.

[Rory]

Oh, she didn't? Oh, she.

[Mall]

They cut her off halfway through like, it was bad dog.

[Rory]

Oh, man. Damn.

[Damaris]

If you know you have a performance coming up, why would you not. That's what lyrics.

[Mall]

It was confusing. I don't know if maybe she didn't have an earpiece in and couldn't hear.

[Rory]

That don't sound like Doji. There was a. There was. There was something wrong.

[Mall]

No, it was a clear.

[Rory]

Doja definitely knows Ms. Jackson.

[Mall]

And then.

[Rory]

Are you kidding me?

[Mall]

She was about to get into the bridge and they cut it off. Like, whoever was DJing cut it off right away with the band. Like, it. Something was wrong, but it was. It was bad.

[Rory]

Maybe she is. It had to be a technical difficulty. I. I refuse to believe that Doja catches that. Doesn't know Ms. Jackson. Everybody knows Ms. Jackson.

[Mall]

I think it had to be something.

[Rory]

It was a technical difficulty.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I just don't think you should address it since then.

[Mall]

Not that I saw, but, yeah, it was. It was weird. Then, thank God, Tyler came out right after and saved the day with bombs over Baghdad, which I don't care who you are, is a very difficult fucking song to try to keep up with. And rap every word to that type of beat. Tyler went nuts on. That performance is great. Then Janelle Monae came out to do. Hey, she got killed for it. I thought it was a really good performance. She put a little, like, weird effect on her own voice for it that people were mad about. I thought. I thought it was cool. But she did get smoked for it. Like, people were not happy about it. Then Killer Mike came out, which was great. I don't know. I saw a lot of people giving the performance a lot of shit. Outside of Doja Cat, I thought it was incredible.

[Rory]

I mean, Janelle Monae makes sense as 3,000.

[Mall]

They were mad at her rendition of it. I was like. I thought that she was cool.

[Rory]

Yeah. I mean, Janelle, you know, she's. She gonna. She gonna be Janelle. But you definitely see the 3,000 influence.

[Mall]

For sure. Killer Mike did a whole wide worlds. It was just cool, man. It was great to just see all of Atlanta together.

[Rory]

Yeah. Salute to outkast, man. That's some major, major shit right there.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Rock and roll hall of Fame. Look at hip hop, man.

[Mall]

No, absolutely. Since we're staying on music, Summer Walker, we get on Friday. Finally over.

[Rory]

It's summer. Finally over. Summer, Summer, Summer, Summer.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Is she finally over it, though?

[Mall]

I don't mall. I think this is your. Your chance now. Now that she has a dump truck, which is getting rid of all her baggage. I assume this was part of the marketing. We'll have to ask Justice. Getting rid of all the baggage with a dump truck and putting it, you know, in the garbage disposal where it belongs to make room for mole. It's kind of how you can throw.

[Damaris]

Your ex's stuff out. Out in it. That's what it was for.

[Rory]

Yeah, that was dope.

[Mall]

That's great.

[Rory]

Everybody show up. And anything that they have. Anything that they have of their ex that belongs to the ex truck up there.

[Damaris]

Had to bring another for me.

[Rory]

They would.

[Mall]

How much stuff you got?

[Rory]

Would you come to the dump truck for me? Yeah. So the ex. Anything. If you had anything of your exes or that belongs to your ex and you know you want to get rid of it somewhere, they had a dump truck truck for Summer Walker. You pull up, you dump the. In the Truck. Take a picture with someone.

[Mall]

Yeah. Brilliant marketing. Shout out to lvrn for that. You know how pissed I would be if I saw some of my favorite hoodies just be thrown in a dump truck in Atlanta? I'd be tight.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

I'd show up for the photo op just to climb in the truck and get my back.

[Rory]

It's a great. It's a great marketing thing, though. That's. That's. That's genius. I like that.

[Mall]

I mean, so you think now, I mean, we'll see what this album, like, what the type of content is on there, but do you think, like, maybe she's in a better space where you guys could. Could make it work?

[Rory]

Summer and myself, yeah. Oh, no. I think Summer needs time to, you know, just take care of herself. And, you know, she has to heal from so many, you know, broken relationships and things like that.

[Mall]

Well, I mean, judging by how long the album took in between. What was that, year and a half? Two years still over. That's enough time to heal.

[Rory]

Yeah, but then she.

[Mall]

Then she. Then she found out that was really just Meech's cousin.

[Rory]

Yeah, but she showed up to the awards with an older white guy.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Because she's to the point. It seems like she's just to the point where it's like, yeah, I give up on love. Just spend money. I want your black car. You could keep your heart.

[Mall]

Which I thought was also hilarious. Marketing. Isn't that the album cover, too?

[Damaris]

Yep. The Anna Nicole Smith wedding. Yeah, it.

[Mall]

But first of all, Anna Nicole loved that gentleman. We all know that.

[Rory]

Yeah. Come on.

[Mall]

Everyone knows that.

[Rory]

That was love in his purest form. Yes.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Mall]

Predictions for this. This is. We say. We say it a lot with certain artists. There's a lot of pressure on Summer. Yeah.

[Rory]

Well, I mean, if you.

[Mall]

Yeah, she has. She has not missed on. She has a classic, in my opinion.

[Rory]

She has a classic.

[Mall]

This is a big project for her. Yeah. This is a defining. As far as the next level and where she stands in R B legacy, I think, falls on this album.

[Rory]

I just believe in LVR and too much. I don't think they're gonna let you know anything go out that's not to a certain standard, to a certain level. And I definitely don't think Summer would. So, yeah, I think this is gonna be right on par with the over it series. But it's hard to over it to me. Y' all know, I feel like that's a classic, so I don't know where this will stand in that whole discography. But we know that it'll be a certain level, and it's gonna have some joints on this. It's gonna be a great album.

[Mall]

Any feature predictions? Cause I don't believe they put out the track list.

[Rory]

I could see Brandi on there.

[Damaris]

I need a Cardi B. I need a Kehlani. Oh, no, I don't see any features.

[Rory]

Glorilla.

[Damaris]

Oh, glow. Yeah. Oh, that's it.

[Mall]

I don't believe that that's the whole thing. Yeah, I don't believe that this is the. The final track list with features whatsoever. But I'm with you. I think there'll be a legend on there.

[Rory]

Yeah, I see Brandy or Monica.

[Mall]

I could see. I could see a Cardi with the verse swap shit, because she was just on. She did the intro, right?

[Damaris]

She did the intro, and she has a feature song on there, too.

[Rory]

Do we. Do we get another Sierra prayer on there?

[Mall]

Nah, that's in the past.

[Rory]

Sierra not gonna pray again.

[Mall]

Yeah, we need the mall prayer.

[Rory]

You don't want to hear my prayer? Alhamdulillah, inshallah.

[Mall]

Huh?

[Damaris]

What's your prayer for, Summer?

[Rory]

That's Patreon. We gotta pay all that. Y' all want to hear what I'm about to start?

[Mall]

That'll go against most publishing, like. Yeah, we can't do that for these airwaves.

[Rory]

Not gonna do that.

[Mall]

But let's mark that down. Down for. For the Mall prayer. Yeah, for Patreon.

[Rory]

Yeah, you need the mall Prayer.

[Mall]

Or we could even. We could even read it on air after the. The album comes out.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

Yeah, maybe you can make the deluxe.

[Rory]

Yeah, we'll do that. We'll do that. They got that.

[Mall]

Just imagine the deluxe just being your prayer. Like, just one second.

[Rory]

That's all you're gonna need. Just have me on the end of that thing praying, that's all. Get it right.

[Mall]

But, yeah, I'm excited for it. I know some of our listeners hate when we get in our full R bag, but this is Summer Walker, and that's a list R B right there. So I'm super excited for the. For this project. And I know Damaris gonna be going caption crazy with that one.

[Damaris]

You ever got sad? Yeah. I'm actually very much looking forward to Summer's album. I'm looking forward to Kehlani's album. I'm excited.

[Rory]

That was like your. You know me and just the background music for you, baby. I get your off.

[Damaris]

Thank you so much. All on today. Y'.

[Mall]

He on that Diddy moonshine.

[Rory]

That's why.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Did he bottle up that toilet water? Hey, that's the new Sorak.

[Rory]

Hey, Diddy, I ain't gonna lie. I know you drinking because I knew you was drinking a week before they said it said Diddy was in Fort Dix. They said he got everything in that motherfucker. Sure.

[Sponsor Voice]

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[Rory]

He got a Sorak in there. He got all kind of in there.

[Mall]

Well, they're saying he. He. He made his own. What do they call. It's not moonshine. What are they called?

[Rory]

He didn't make anything. It was made for him. Yeah. You know, they got to make it.

[Mall]

But what do they call that? That the jail. Okay. That's what it is. They said it was made of Fonta Sugar apples. Ferment into an alcohol substance.

[Rory]

Yeah, you gotta let the fruit, you know.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Gotta make hooch.

[Mall]

No, I hear you with the toilet water. Right?

[Rory]

Well, no, you can get water in prison. You can get drinking water.

[Mall]

Yeah. But you got to mix it all up in the toilet bowl, right? Yeah, I'd probably drink that in jail.

[Rory]

Of course you would.

[Mall]

If you don't really have much else going on.

[Rory]

You're an alcoholic.

[Damaris]

Being in jail sober, crazy as.

[Rory]

I never understood that, being in jail.

[Damaris]

So out of all the places I'm.

[Rory]

Be in the world, you think being in jail, period.

[Damaris]

Being in jail, crazy, but being in jail sober or wild as. I'm not doing that.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

If I. I mean, it depends if I had like, a life sentence, I mean, at that point, I'm probably just gonna start, like, smoking. Sherm. Whatever the y' all got, like, whatever, like on aluminum foil. I smoke. Just give me the lighter. Yeah, but if I got, you know, a year or two, that puff does. No, I'm not gonna start getting addicted to whatever the y' all smoking in there.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Pill popping animal.

[Rory]

Having a little party, man. You know, fellas just drinking a little bit. Fellas night in, you know. You know, fellas night in is every night in prison. But Sebastian. Sebastian's not in jail, man. Is he. Sebastian's in jail right now.

[Mall]

Sebastian Telfair, he's in prison right now.

[Rory]

He is.

[Mall]

Wait, Sebastian Telfair is in jail?

[Rory]

Nah, that's. That gotta be cat. Wait, I didn't know Sebastian was in prison.

[Mall]

He went to prison for the gun thing, but he got out, right? Or maybe he just didn't do his sentence. I remember when he got.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah, he is. He's in Fort Dixie. Oh, shit. He was ordered to prison in August 2020. Oh, so he just. Okay, August for Violating the terms of his supervised release. Oh, yeah, and he was part of that healthcare fraud case.

[Mall]

Yeah, I forgot about that shit.

[Rory]

Yeah, him, Glenn Davis. It was a few other players, right.

[Mall]

Because he had initially went to jail for the gun thing in Brooklyn. So. Yeah, I guess that that went against his parole. I just saw a clip on Twitter today of Sebastian Telfair doing like MTV Cribs of his project apartment, like, currently. Well, I'm sure it was old, but damn, man. I feel for Sebastian though. Like, if you know that story, he, like, he was mishandled by all the influences around him. Grown man, I get it. But he. He should took his time and went to Louisville and I think things would have been a little different. Different for Sebastian, but I feel for him.

[Rory]

Yes. It's. That's. That story is just one of those. That's like, damn, you know what I mean? Like, we saw it from high school, you know, all the way through college, NBA, and then unfortunately, now the Fort Dix. But you know what I'm saying, It's. That's how life goes sometimes, man.

[Mall]

Yeah. I mean, which is crazy because. Because he was never even like that type of guy that you would be like, he'll end up in jail.

[Rory]

Yeah, nice kids.

[Mall]

But I mean, the. Lance saw that and he did the real through the Fire after he saw what happened with Sebastian. So, I mean, Lincoln got something out of it.

[Rory]

But what did Lance do?

[Mall]

Successful in the NBA?

[Rory]

Oh, yeah. I mean, Sebastian played 10 years though, right? I think he did.

[Mall]

He had some good years.

[Rory]

Like, I mean, if you last 10 years, that's.

[Mall]

That's okay. See, he did okay. I hear that.

[Rory]

But the fact that he still. He was in the league, what, 10 years?

[Mall]

Something like that?

[Rory]

Less than 10. He didn't do 10, Sebastian. Oh, y' all think y' all got that wrong. I think he did 10 years, bro.

[Mall]

No, he's doing that now.

[Rory]

No, no, he's. He's not doing 10 years.

[Mall]

I'm sorry. That was step.

[Rory]

Thank you. I'm right.

[Damaris]

See, Ma said I'm right. Haha.

[Mall]

Sebastian should have hired Kim Kardashian. Wouldn't be in this mess right now. Is she allowed to represent people even if she didn't pass the bar? I don't think so, because I thought she's been a Instagram lawyer for the. For the last 10 years. Whole time Sebastian was in the league, I thought Kim K was freeing, freeing the guys.

[Rory]

I do think it's dope that Kim. Cause I didn't know she was really like Trying to be a lawyer. So I think that's dope that she's really, like, going after this and taking the bar. I think that's fire.

[Mall]

I'm not here to shit on her because I would definitely fail the bar exam too. I'm not here to clown her, but I always thought that was a serious thing. That wasn't like, a troll that her and Kanye were doing. I felt like she really wanted to do that.

[Rory]

That was dope.

[Mall]

And she's freed some people, but I don't know. To make Ms. Pat gotta have Kim K. On. On her show. That would be said since she failed the bar. If she passed the bar. No, but since she failed it, I think Kim K. Should be a regular lawyer on Ms. Pat's. Like, she should be the d. A For every case with Ms. Pat.

[Rory]

The D. A. That's crazy. No, I want to see. I want to see a pass to bottle. That'll be fine. Kim Kardashian is a lawyer. That's fire.

[Damaris]

I want that for her, the family.

[Rory]

Her dad, you know? Right. All of that, man. That's fine. That story is crazy. I think that's a. I think that's a great story. I think Kim Kardashian becoming a lawyer is. Is crazy.

[Mall]

Your honor, this case is so not cute. Cute. I feel like that's what you'd say.

[Rory]

See? Nah. Kim go coming in and really know them words, though.

[Mall]

Know them words.

[Damaris]

Know them words.

[Mall]

Gonna fuck y'.

[Damaris]

All.

[Rory]

You know? You know them. You know them court terms that we don't know. We gotta be like, yo, what she said.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

Yeah. She gonna know all of that before.

[Mall]

We get our back to Kim.

[Rory]

The suits is gonna be crazy. Oh, she gonna walk in that mother. You know she gonna walk in there. The suits is gonna be crazy.

[Mall]

That's gonna be the new venture.

[Rory]

Yeah, for sure.

[Damaris]

That'd be the new Michelle Obama's wearing.

[Rory]

I like that.

[Mall]

All put Kamala and all them.

[Rory]

All y' all that was influenced by Kim to do other things. Now go past the bar. Yeah. Get from behind the bar and take the bar.

[Mall]

Yeah. Don't go just from the bar to.

[Rory]

A real estate agent and take the bar. Let's see them do that. Let's see that challenge.

[Mall]

That challenge.

[Rory]

Not the baby boo challenge. I don't wanna see the baby.

[Damaris]

Yes, you do.

[Rory]

Let's see the pass the bar challenge. Let's see that.

[Damaris]

You know how hard it is to pass the fucking bar?

[Rory]

I mean, hey, it's hard to shake ass, too, if you ain't got nothing, but some of them is doing it. They up there on that click the baby boo challenge right now. It's some on there that don't need to be on there.

[Mall]

They should be studying for the bar.

[Rory]

Yeah, you should be studying for the bar. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Let Kim K. Pass the bar, become a lawyer, and let. Let her inspire and influence the next generation of young women to pass the bar. Not be at the bar. Yeah, not at the bar.

[Damaris]

Well, it's gonna be. It's so in California, you're allowed to take the bar exam without going to law school and, like, becoming. Having your degree in that. But that makes it hard. I think it's cool. But I also think it makes it a little harder to pass the test.

[Mall]

Like, well, obviously, because you're not going to a law school that teaches you all this stuff, but there's some people that are not built for school and are just geniuses that should still be able to be lawyers. If you can pass the bar, like, that's the point of going to law school, is to then pass the bar.

[Rory]

Didn't Frank Abagnale pass the bar? Come on, Frank, How'd you pass the bar?

[Mall]

Studied my ass off.

[Rory]

How'd you do it, Frank? How'd you do it? Classic movie. They don't even know that movie. Rory, catch me if you can. Was it the Barnell?

[Mall]

Yeah. Okay. I thought. I wasn't sure it was real estate.

[Rory]

No, he passed the bar. How'd you pass. How'd you pass the bar? Come on, Frank.

[Mall]

Do we want to go with some of these bar questions? I see fentanyl out the gate.

[Rory]

Okay, so. Damn, Josh. Okay, you are.

[Mall]

Let's see. Let's see what? Kim couldn't answer that. Maybe. Maybe we could. Maybe we should move to California and become lawyers.

[Rory]

Okay. You are a criminal defense lawyer representing a client who has been charged with fentanyl possession. The police found this fentanyl in the guest bedroom of the client's uncle's house. House one responded to a noise complaint at the house. Before entering the house, the officers knocked on the door. When the uncle answered the door, the officers asked if they could look inside the house, and the uncle agreed. So that's, you know, the owner of the house gave them consent to come into the house. Right. The client did not live in the house and was not there at the time of the search. The client had stayed in the guest bedroom of the house two nights prior to the search. The uncle told the officers that the client was the last person to have slept in that room. You are considering filing a motion to suppress the fentanyl under the Fourth Amendment, which everyone knows which of the following legal. Legal topics are the most important for you to research to determine the likelihood of success on a motion to suppress.

[Mall]

So there's A, consent search, B, exigence.

[Rory]

Exigent circumstances, C, hot pursuit, D, probable cause, E, reasonable suspicion, and F standing.

[Mall]

Was the uncle standing when he let them in?

[Rory]

The house definitely was standing.

[Mall]

So, I mean, this seems like the most reasonable one. All right, so the consent to search did happen because the uncle said, come on in.

[Rory]

Yep. So I would say. I would say a consent search.

[Mall]

Well, no, because he can say, yeah.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mall]

I feel like is the only one I know is off the.

[Rory]

Okay, yes. A, I guess we would have to take C out hot pursuit, because I.

[Mall]

Don'T even know what that means.

[Rory]

Yeah. E, reasonable suspicion. I think we would take that out.

[Mall]

I would say would be.

[Rory]

Yeah, I would say B, exigent circumstances. And.

[Mall]

I don't know, but it's the. Like I'm doing in a multiple choice test when you just try to take out answers, you know, like, I would do. I don't know the right answer. I just know what the wrong answers are.

[Damaris]

I would do E. And I would do E and D. E and E. What are you guys doing?

[Rory]

Yeah, Andy, I'm going B.

[Mall]

And.

[Damaris]

Okay, so I'm doing D and E, which is probable cause and reasonable suspicion.

[Mall]

Oh, wait. Okay. Because the question is, are the most.

[Damaris]

Important for you to research. To research to determine the likelihood of success on a motion to suppress?

[Rory]

I'm going B and.

[Damaris]

Which is exigent circumstances.

[Rory]

Yep. I'm gonna go B and.

[Damaris]

Or exigent. F, B, F. Okay. Standing in exigent circumstances. Rory, don't look up.

[Mall]

I'm not. No, I'm not. I'm also on my computer. I wanted to take consent search out, but if that was the last place that I slept, I didn't give consent. Even if it's his house. Like, if I was the last person to be there and my is in there, wouldn't I have to give consent?

[Damaris]

It's not your house.

[Mall]

Well, I would want to research that to see if there was anything I can. Okay, so, like, if I'm standing among. And all my islands is in his guest room and he says, come on into my house. Like, I didn't say you could look through my.

[Damaris]

So you're gonna do consent search. And what's the second one?

[Mall]

I'm gonna Go A and B.

[Damaris]

You're A and B. Consent, search and exigent. I think y' all just doing that because y' all don't know what it means.

[Mall]

No, it's. No, that's exactly. That's Damaris. That's exactly why I picked circumstances.

[Damaris]

And I'm gonna do so. And Mall's gonna do exigent, circumstances and standing. I'm going to do probable standing.

[Mall]

Me.

[Damaris]

Probable cause and reasonable suspicion. All right, what's the answer, sir? Josh. Consent to search and standing. Damn. One of y'. All. You got one and Ma got one. I got both wrong.

[Rory]

That.

[Mall]

See, that's why we're the lawyer duo, right?

[Rory]

That's why Kim should have just called me. She would have passed it by.

[Mall]

What does standing even mean?

[Damaris]

I have no clue where you.

[Mall]

Where you were standing, yo. Your honor, he wasn't standing there, so how could you?

[Rory]

He wasn't standing there.

[Mall]

All right, maybe let's try one more.

[Damaris]

Yeah, let's do one more. Your client owns a carpet cleaning company. The company recently contracted with a customer to clean the carpets throughout the customer's 10 story building for $15,000 with payment due in 30 days. Before payment was due, the customer sent your client a check for $12,000, along with a note specifying that several of the carpets still had stains and included pictures of the stained carpets. The customer's note also said that if your client cashes the check, the remainder of the customer's debt will be discharged. Your client now seeks your advice as to whether the company can ca check without relinquishing its right to recover the remaining remainder of the customer's debt. Which of the following search terms will be the most likely to produce resources that will answer the client's questions. So, basically, client, we're a lawyer. The client has a cleaning company. It was due for $15,000. Payment due in 30 days. Before it was due, they sent 12,000 saying, Y' all ain't do your job well enough. If you cash this check for this 12,000, I'm not giving you the other 3,000.

[Mall]

So out the gate date, I'm going offer an acceptance because they stated what it would be.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

And if you accept that, meaning cashing the check, you've accepted the terms that the client said.

[Damaris]

So I would do A and D because I don't know what novation means.

[Rory]

You said just pick one.

[Mall]

No, it says select one.

[Damaris]

Oh.

[Mall]

So D seems so obvious that I feel like I'm probably wrong, but I'm going, Dan. Okay.

[Damaris]

All right. I'll go a.

[Mall]

All right, well, Kim gotta call three of us though.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Ready of the cleaning questions we got.

[Rory]

I didn't pass.

[Mall]

She's a woman.

[Damaris]

That was funny. That was interesting. We would fail terribly.

[Rory]

Shout out to Kim, man. I, I'm, I'm definitely, I definitely am rooting for her though, to pass the bar and, you know, seeing Kim in courtrooms. Yeah, you know, practicing law, that would be some cool shit.

[Mall]

But she's gotta practice law in a state that allows cameras. California definitely does because of the OJ Shit.

[Rory]

We just got to see the suits. The suits, yeah.

[Mall]

Oh, that fit check is going to be.

[Rory]

Oh, my God.

[Mall]

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[Rory]

Yes.

[Mall]

So when that bill comes.

[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Mall]

Speaking of Kim and lawyers, I did start the Vince Staples show last night.

[Rory]

Oh, I forgot.

[Mall]

Yes, it was available this past Friday. Shout out to Vince Staples, season two.

[Rory]

I gotta watch that this week.

[Mall]

I got through three episodes yesterday, and I'm not spoiling anything. I do love that they're still running with the narrative that O.J. simpson is Vince Staples uncle. Like that narrative.

[Rory]

It's even.

[Mall]

It's tripled down in the second season.

[Rory]

How's the production? You see the money?

[Mall]

Yeah, no, it's in there.

[Rory]

You see?

[Mall]

No, it's definitely in there. Okay. I. I love it so far. It's definitely drastically different than the first season in the approach and the comedy and the writing and how it looks like, again, not giving away too much more, just sampling to go watch it. Events. Having a whole kung fu scene in a Hertz rental parking lot was not something like I expected, but I laughed through the entire thing. Like, Vince doing kung fu was hilarious to me.

[Rory]

That. Forgot it came out Friday. Man, I definitely got to check that out.

[Mall]

Yeah. Shout out to Vince. I suggest everyone watch that on Netflix now. I. I don't know if it's a Netflix thing. It's not on the queue the way I feel like it should be, even with my algorithms. I feel like Vince's show would be, like, right there when I opened Netflix, and it wasn't. So, you know, I think everyone should keep promoting Vince's, you know, as a culture, because I don't see Netflix doing it the way that they did for the first season and first three episodes. I think it's better than the first season.

[Rory]

You definitely got to support that, man.

[Mall]

It's. It's super, super funny, and I think it's. What is it, six or seven episodes?

[Rory]

But, yeah, so I'm almost finished that in, like, a day.

[Mall]

Yeah, I'm almost halfway through first season. I finished in a day, but I. I just, you know, had to get to sleep. But I'm gonna finish it probably tonight or. Or Tuesday.

[Rory]

Shout out to Vince, man.

[Mall]

Man, you guys watch anything else?

[Rory]

You know, finishing Tulsa King. Okay. Chief of War. I don't know if y' all started. Anybody watch that?

[Mall]

No.

[Damaris]

No.

[Rory]

I gotta check out Chief of War.

[Damaris]

It's good. What is it about? Quick, quick rundown.

[Rory]

It's. What's. What's Aquaman's name Vincent Chase. Jason Samoa. Jason Mimosa.

[Damaris]

Oh, my Lord Jesus.

[Rory]

Jason Momoa. Yeah, Jason Momoa. If you, if you saw C, that was another great show that Jason Momoa did. Chief of War is kind of along that same like line, just a different, different story. But yeah, it's fire though. I think y'. All. I think y' all would like that.

[Mall]

Was he in Game of Thrones, that guy?

[Damaris]

Yes, he was. He was the king of the Dolph. Rocky.

[Rory]

He was the king of.

[Damaris]

Rocky of the Dothraki, which is a culture of people.

[Rory]

Okay, so he's. So they got him kind of like reserved for those type of roles, I guess.

[Mall]

Yeah, they're racist.

[Rory]

Yeah, they got him reserved for those type of. Because I feel like he's gonna play.

[Mall]

The rock in his biopic in 20 years.

[Rory]

Yeah, because he's like. He's like. He's like the rock but like indigenous. Yes.

[Mall]

Like the rock is not indigenous.

[Rory]

No, the rock is indigenous.

[Damaris]

The rock just look like a light skinned black. It's different.

[Rory]

Well, the rock, once he cut his hair off, once he went bald, it was like he was trying to. That's like when Leonardo DiCaprio, they wanted him to like change his name. It's kind of like the Rock, they was like, listen, we gotta get rid of the hair if you want these roles. Cause it was still too like. It's like what you is like what your mama is and what your daddy is. You know what I'm saying?

[Mall]

That ambiguous shit works. Cause you can be in different roles at that point.

[Damaris]

Yeah, he had this one role where his daughter. I think I was watching San Andreas, which is one of my favorite rock movies. I love that movie. And his daughter was like blue eyed white woman.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

I was like, yeah.

[Mall]

And then. And then in Gridiron Gang, his mother looked like Damaris Mother.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

It was like, wait, can I see the dad?

[Rory]

Yeah, you see how they sway that?

[Mall]

I thought that was exhibit's mom in this movie. Yeah, that was not. That casting was crazy.

[Rory]

Yeah, man, he.

[Damaris]

But he gives. He gives light skinned black. But Jason is indigenous all day.

[Rory]

Yeah, he's not cutting his hair. He's not doing that peach.

[Mall]

Remember when we did Palooza in San Francisco and we did the day party and then follow. We had to get out of there because that guy was doing a watch the Game of Thrones DJ set Jason Momoa. So I believe it was San Francisco. And they rushed us out of there because they had to put together the Game of Thrones set. Like they was Bringing in trees and, like, furry.

[Damaris]

Oh, my God. Oh, God.

[Mall]

After we got, you know, after back end payments and all that, we walked out and it was around the corner with everyone dressed as Game of Thrones.

[Damaris]

That's so cool.

[Mall]

And, yeah, I guess he. He does like, celebrity dj Game of Thrones. I just wanted to know, like, what type of music you're playing at the Game of Thrones. Like, what's your set look like for a whole Thrones party?

[Rory]

That's a Baby D question.

[Damaris]

I'm sure it was just a regular DJ set, but he wasn't playing the score from the.

[Mall]

I wasn't sure. When I saw everyone dressed that way, I was like, are we gonna go through each episode and he's just gonna, like, mix?

[Damaris]

No, he was probably just playing regular shit. But because of who it is, like, it's like it.

[Mall]

We cosplaying him, I wanted to stay for that one. That looked crazy. And I. I could tell just by that crowd, like, they all be each other.

[Damaris]

Oh, my God.

[Mall]

Like, you could just tell, like, it was ComicCon times 10. Like, these look like a bunch of.

[Rory]

Horny in the Game of Thrones days.

[Mall]

No, I'm saying all the people in line.

[Damaris]

Oh, this like, nah.

[Rory]

Back in, like, they all num.

[Mall]

Days.

[Rory]

Oh, they was like, what?

[Mall]

Whatever Discord would have been at that time, whatever chat server they had, like, they was all for sure.

[Rory]

Oh, okay.

[Damaris]

Yo, you know what's so crazy? I went to a. So it's so funny. I went to a Patreon dinner when I left here on Thursday, and I was talking to Mandy. Me and Mandy were there just give. Patreon wanted to know how their new, like, implementations that they did for the. The website and things like that, how they were going, how creators can make it better, whatever. So I was there and Mandy was there, and Mandy brought up how people. How our Discords. Because somebody from another Patreon was like, hey, how do you guys create community? And Mandy was like, immediately Discord. Because our Discord members, you know, with horrible decisions, the type of people that's in there, she's like, they be meeting up, like, creating, like, community and family. And I'm like, our Discord like, members have met up and, like, created, like, travel groups and things like that. And they go to the live shows. And I'm like, damn. Like, do our Discord members be. We got freaked because I feel like our show. We got freaked out fans, too.

[Rory]

I don't know if our Discord. I mean, but we had the Zoom Zoom Room the felon that was in the Zoom Zoom room. He fucked the therapist.

[Mall]

That's true.

[Rory]

He met up, like, maybe, like. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah. Yeah. Our community be. Yeah, sure.

[Damaris]

I feel like the podcast communities be. So we can't just put that on the Game of Thrones people. The podcast communities.

[Mall]

And I've definitely, like, after our live shows and we kick it just on the stage with everyone. I can see groups that had only talked online, like, meeting for the first time. They went, like, after Howard Theater. They all did something. I'm not saying what they did, but something happened.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

So, yeah, they probably.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mall]

Which I think is healthy.

[Rory]

Yeah. Listen to the pod.

[Damaris]

And then they wake up in the morning and listen to us.

[Rory]

Yeah. Through it. Through the episode. Even if you're not listening, press play through the episode.

[Damaris]

Hearing mall singing while I'm.

[Rory]

Will piss me, baby. Would you play the Patreon for me.

[Mall]

Do you think? I'm not saying anything. You haven't admitted. Do you think the fan. That you accidentally. Years and years and years ago, do you think that. That that woman is in our discord. We could siphon through all the names.

[Rory]

I hope so.

[Mall]

Run it back.

[Rory]

I mean, I hope so.

[Mall]

What's done is done.

[Rory]

I don't even remember her name.

[Mall]

Damn.

[Rory]

Where was I? Why'd you let me do that? Let's talk. Let's have a. Let's have a session. Why would you let me do that? Why would you let me sink so low and, like, sleep with a woman that I barely even knew, don't know her name, just met her. Why would you let this.

[Mall]

How I know you forget the entire thing.

[Damaris]

Thing?

[Mall]

Because I was trying to do the opposite. Because I was trying to be.

[Rory]

I don't remember it that way.

[Damaris]

Rory.

[Rory]

It's in such a dark place. Back then in my life, I think.

[Mall]

I remember the region and it may have been the same as Game of Thrones. I remember her being very attractive. That's all I remember. I remember me jokingly hating. So, like, I. I was sitting there like, I hope he don't beat.

[Rory]

I hope she don't give him none. I hope.

[Damaris]

I hope he don't beat the f hater.

[Mall]

I hope he stands on his morals and be like, yo, yo, I don't fuck fans.

[Rory]

Like, oh, my gosh.

[Mall]

But, I mean, I couldn't have stopped you.

[Rory]

Yes, you could have.

[Sponsor Voice]

How?

[Mall]

We were in separate rooms.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Would you want to knock on the door?

[Rory]

You could have just been standing outside my door, knocking on the door.

[Mall]

Like, how do you Think that would have went over in the van the next day if everyone found out I knocked on your door in the middle of you in the middle affair? I would have looked like the biggest block hater.

[Rory]

Thank you. I. Rory, thank you. Thank you for that, man. Because you know me better than that. Hold me to a higher standard. Rory, God damn.

[Mall]

You've thrown. And I'm not. You know what? Let's not even put this on Patreon. You've thrown some bodies on me that I didn't take that. I was like, damn, why would you. Why would you send this body my way?

[Rory]

Throw it on you? What do you mean? Like, introduce you to a woman?

[Mall]

Like, we was on different floors, and you sent somebody downstairs, and I was like, nah, you could go back upstairs.

[Rory]

Oh, that's because I was just trying to. I was just. I mean, I was just trying to go to sleep.

[Damaris]

You could go back.

[Rory]

No, so was I. I was just trying.

[Mall]

And I didn't want, like, I don't know you.

[Rory]

And somebody was asking if you were coming to my room to hang out, and I was like, nah, he's in this room.

[Damaris]

Yo, I tried to throw a body on Rory one time, and then Rory wasn't taking the body. So I was about to take the body, but then, like, I fell asleep.

[Mall]

Where was we at?

[Rory]

You fell asleep.

[Damaris]

If I tell, give a timeline. But we ride.

[Rory]

Always fall.

[Mall]

Clearly, I didn't take the body, so it's fine.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. We're out of town.

[Mall]

How many times we've been out of town?

[Damaris]

You know where we was at? You know where we was at with that girl with the fat ass? You know where we was at?

[Rory]

She had the fatty boom baddy.

[Damaris]

We was at dinner.

[Rory]

We was at dinner. Gotta feed the ass we was with, bro.

[Mall]

I don't know. I have a bad memory.

[Damaris]

You.

[Rory]

I'd be pressing delete on purpose in my shit. I'd be like, shout out to her.

[Mall]

Like, in your memory. Yeah, no, me too.

[Rory]

I pressed delete quick. I don't remember your name. Don't even remember the night.

[Mall]

But see how upstanding of a citizen I am? Both y' all just throw bodies at me.

[Damaris]

And I'm thinking, nigga, you bought the body to dinner.

[Rory]

Oh, you bought the body.

[Damaris]

You know what I'm talking about.

[Mall]

I don't. I still don't.

[Damaris]

But a steakhouse? You brought the body to the steakhouse. And we was like, yo, you beating. And you was playing. So I was like, yo, I'm.

[Rory]

You brought the body to the steakhouse.

[Mall]

I mean, hoes gotta eat, too.

[Rory]

That's a fact. That's a fact. Was I just gotta feed him?

[Damaris]

No, you wasn't there. You weren't out of town with us. One of our other homeboys was.

[Mall]

See? Gotcha.

[Rory]

See, when I ain't around. Yeah, that's why y' all be needing me around, so y' all don't do dumb shit. Y' all don't be wilding.

[Mall]

No, I think.

[Rory]

Cause when I ain't around, y' all start wilding.

[Mall]

It seemed like a calm evening where everyone just ate great steak and went their own respective ways and went to sleep.

[Damaris]

Is writing in a group chat to us. I'm even gonna talk about it. We ain't even gonna talk about it.

[Mall]

I wish I remember this so I.

[Rory]

Can play into it.

[Damaris]

Yes. Yeah, for sure.

[Rory]

She had ass.

[Damaris]

Yeah, a lot of ass.

[Rory]

Table for three.

[Mall]

That's why I needed to feed her steak. Table for three. Yo, Tomahawk.

[Damaris]

One of our homeboys. Almost one of our fans, too. I had to tell him, like, yo, that's a fan, and she already one of our staff members. So I need you to.

[Rory]

One of our homeboys.

[Damaris]

I'll tell y' all off air.

[Rory]

Almost fucked one of our listeners.

[Damaris]

M.

[Mall]

Yo, you remember the time. Remember the time we was all in the elevator with a fan and we didn't know.

[Rory]

My God, we didn't know who. That was the craziest.

[Mall]

When she walked in the elevator, I was like, who is she with?

[Rory]

That was the craziest.

[Damaris]

I remember y'.

[Mall]

All.

[Rory]

Craziest night ever. That was so random. And it was almost like, yo, fam, just claim your bodies, man. Like, don't. Don't do that, cuz. I. Now I'm sitting here like, yo, who is this?

[Mall]

We playing quarters. No, we playing quarters. It was four of us, and then she was in the middle, and when we started hitting the buttons, I thought, like, maybe she stayed at the hotel.

[Rory]

Fam, claim your work. That's all I be trying to tell on the. Just claim yours, yo. And then I don't know who this.

[Damaris]

Young lady now, when we discovered the pictures of Shorty posing with everybody on Twitter, cuz she was at the show.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah. And here's my thing. If you want to do your dirty, who am I to judge? But do it correctly. Don't get in the sprinter with all of us with the work. Go get your own Uber. Be like, yo, I'll catch up with y'.

[Damaris]

All. Don't put us in it.

[Mall]

Don't make me have to sit in the back to be respectful. And she get a captain chair. And I don't even know.

[Rory]

I don't want to have small talk.

[Damaris]

A captain chair. Funny as fuck.

[Rory]

Yeah, I don't want to have small talk with your work.

[Mall]

Especially a small ass elevator.

[Rory]

I don't want to have small talk with your work.

[Damaris]

Is she a fan?

[Mall]

And what was funny is said person was on a higher floor than all of us. So Eddie got off and it was like, all right, well, she ain't with Ed. All right, well, let's go. And I knew for a fact she wasn't with me and Ma. And me and Ma were on the same floor. So me and ma get off and then when the elevator door closed, we just start bus out laughing.

[Rory]

Claim your work. So all you gotta do is claim yours. Yeah, man, claim yours.

[Mall]

And then hit us with the excuse and. Oh, I thought we was all going out to the bar after. No, you didn't.

[Rory]

The bar's not a lot.

[Mall]

Not one person brought that up.

[Rory]

The bar isn't a lot. Hobby. Cut the man.

[Mall]

We thought she was going to your mini bar.

[Rory]

Yeah, cut it out. Before we get into voicemails, do want to send rest in peace to NBA legend, coach and player Lenny Wilkins? Yeah, he passed away over the weekend. Legend in every word. Great guy. Had the opportunity to meet Lenny Wilkins on a couple occasions. So rest in peace to the legendary late Lenny Wilkins. And last week, we. We didn't. We didn't send our proud condolences to Poster Boy legend out of New York City. 106 and park legend. You can't talk about 106 and park and not mention Poster Boy or Blind Fury. I think those were the two.

[Mall]

Or Jen.

[Rory]

Or Jen.

[Mall]

But still, I mean, it started with Poster Boy.

[Rory]

Yeah, Poster Boy was the one that started it all. So we lost him a couple weeks ago. So rest in peace and prayers to Poster Boy and his family. And we'll get into voicemails. Josh, do we have voicemails and males from voices?

[Mall]

Can I? Like two minutes.

[Rory]

You have to tingle. Okay, go tinkle. Rory, we'll be right back. You've got mail. Do we have voicemails? Yes, we do. And guess who they are. Sponsored by Rory. You guessed it. Boost Mobile. Unlimited talk, text and data.

[Mall]

How'd you know? Hey, guys. Huge fan of the pod. I just wanted to know, from a.

[Damaris]

Male'S perspective, how do you guys know when a guy is showing up as like a representative and not his actual self?

[Mall]

I'm sure you guys have met a.

[Damaris]

Lot of your females partners, and I'm.

[Mall]

Sure in some of them, there were.

[Damaris]

A few things that you saw that.

[Mall]

You might have warned your female friends about or not. But what were those things that you.

[Damaris]

Were like, I know that this guy's probably not a good guy for you. And then when you guys were in.

[Mall]

Your early 20s, what were things that.

[Damaris]

You guys did to other women?

[Mall]

To essentially fuck them and then leave.

[Rory]

To fuck them up and leave.

[Mall]

Mall and I would never do that.

[Rory]

I would never just fucking leave.

[Mall]

Yeah. I'd stay twice and then like.

[Rory]

And then leave. Or wait till dinner's finished and then leave.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Representative and not your true self. We all have a representative. We all have. We all put our best foot forward when we first meet a woman that we like. I think.

[Mall]

I think if he agrees with you too much throughout the day, I'm not saying you need to get an argument or a debate thing, but if he just literally is just like, anything you say, he's like, oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, I think that's. You don't have to go full Rory and like, you know, talk about Gaza or anything. But I. I think if you overly agree with a woman, that is a bit of a red flag. Like anything she says, you're just like, yeah, no, totally.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

If he doesn't. If he's. I would say if he's maybe a little too quiet.

[Mall]

So you. I'm not quiet actually, around women. No. You're not?

[Rory]

Yeah, no, around women. No. You know, I love women. Yeah. It's men that I don't talk to. I'm not gay. Yeah. But no, I think if he's a little too quiet, I think if he's. If he seems too, I guess is up. Say too nice.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

If he's too, you know, the guy that's just like. He's just. It's like, all right, this guy's perfect. Like, what the.

[Mall]

I think that's a New Yorker thing, though, because in general, not even dating, we don't trust people that are overly nice. Like some. Something's wrong here.

[Rory]

Yeah, something's wrong with this.

[Mall]

Like, you have people in your basement tied up.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

If you're this overly nice. But yeah, I think that. But I think that way with women too. Like, if she's overly nice and agreeing with everything, that's a red flag to me. I think it goes both ways with men and women in dating.

[Rory]

But it's hard to gauge when you're seeing a representative, though, because if I Don't know this guy. I don't know if that's him or not. I don't know if that's his true self or not. So it's kind of hard. That question is a little. I would say just pay attention to habits, patterns. People can say anything, but just watch what they doing.

[Mall]

Yeah. I think obviously you don't know off the first date because everyone puts on their representative. Just observe how they act in certain situations, because that's when it'll start to reveal the actual person.

[Rory]

Just watch, Pay attention.

[Mall]

Anybody could be funny for an hour and a half the first time you meet them and, and easygoing. Just wait till the valet doesn't have their ticket and then. Then go see the real Rory.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah. Watch you throwing the fit out.

[Damaris]

Oh, did I ever tell y' all Rory almost fought a parking attendant cuz they.

[Mall]

Which time?

[Rory]

Which time? Yeah, which day was this show, Joe? This is like every Wednesday.

[Mall]

Which time?

[Damaris]

It was me, Kellen, Penny, you remember, it was the day my best friend died. And y' all like, took me out to, like, it was her funeral. Took me out to distract me. Yeah. And we are all like, holding Rory back from trying to fight the parking attendant.

[Mall]

I don't remember. I remember that night. I don't remember exact. Cuz I've done that with parking attendants, like a lot. I'm not proud of it. Like, that's just like. I'm just. I'm really not sure which time. I don't remember. I mean, I'm. I don't just do it out of nowhere. Like it's usually for they.

[Rory]

They do something. Right.

[Mall]

Yes. Okay.

[Damaris]

I think they were just taking a long time and they couldn't like, find your car or something, and you were just like, fucking ready to blow again.

[Rory]

Yeah, like, that's not, that's, that's. That's feasible.

[Mall]

If, if I show up and do my job on a microphone. Cool. If I stop, you guys should be mad at me.

[Sponsor Voice]

Right?

[Rory]

Right.

[Mall]

If your job is to go find a car, shouldn't you know how to go find the car?

[Rory]

Correct.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

Yeah. See, he's right. Yeah. So. Yes. Pay attention to his habits, his patterns, his actions. And I think that's the way you kind of, you know, can gauge if he's being his true self. His words and his, you know, his actions align. You just pay attention to his. His patterns.

[Mall]

Yeah. And when you have your emotional moments, you should pay attention to how she reacts to those. Those things.

[Rory]

Yes, absolutely. Because that's very telling.

[Mall]

Because I mean, I've, I've shown people who I am pretty quickly, especially when it comes to parking garages, parking lots, parking attendance. They see the room, anything. Parking tickets, parking meters. Sometimes those guys get kicked over. Like, you know, I show people that pretty early. Yeah. So when women are cool with that for like a year, don't get mad when I start doing traffic violations and yelling at me in the car like, this is who you met. I'm always going to break the law when it comes to traffic.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mall]

So I think that's a red flag with women. Like, he was cool with it for a year. What, you think I was going to change? I'm not changing. They always think I'm always going to take the wrong exit to get in the Holland Tunnel. I'm always going to go around the cop. That's never going to change. Yeah, I'm not waiting in this line.

[Rory]

All right, do we have another one or. That was it.

[Mall]

Well, I wanted to hear from Damaris.

[Damaris]

Hey, obviously I'm pretty bad at this. I can just.

[Rory]

Yes, I'm pretty bad at this.

[Damaris]

Just. You never know when people are giving you their representatives or not. All you can do is pay attention to when the representative disappears. And when the representative disappears, move accordingly.

[Mall]

What's. What's been a red flag you think you've missed in the past? Not anything to do with anything.

[Narrator]

More.

[Mall]

I try to have a serious conversation.

[Damaris]

A red flag that I've missed in the past that was like, right in.

[Mall]

Front of your face. Because we've all had red flags right in front of our face, but because we like the person we just was, we ignored it.

[Damaris]

I've ignored an insecure red flag.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Damaris]

When I knew somebody was insecure from the beginning and I, I like, it's usually so people can pretend to be one person, but if you shut up and let people talk enough, they'll tell on themselves.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

So when I started hearing, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, like I'm real, like, just insecure red flags about like possessiveness and things like that and. But it was like presented and wrapped in a bow. Like it was just love and obsession. It's like, nah, that's, that's insecurity.

[Mall]

A woman I was talking to, which I ended up in a long term relationship with. When we were in the talking phase, we had a mutual friend, but not like a friend friend, just like a friend, you see out type of thing. And she, I found out out months, almost a year later, she told this girl to watch out Because I'm possessive. Mind you, this girl has not known one person I've ever dated or. And, Damaris, you know me pretty well. I don't think I'm a possessive person in that regard.

[Damaris]

You're not.

[Mall]

Why do. Why do women feel like they can just lie like that to their friends to put stories on our jackets at that time?

[Damaris]

Well, we all.

[Mall]

Because now this girl's looking at me like I'm possessive because she sees that I know her friend, and I've known her friend for a while, but not like that. Like, I only see that woman out, has no idea who I or dated in my life, and I'm not possessive. And now all of a sudden, you're putting shit in a woman's brain to make me look when there was no red flag, people at the time.

[Damaris]

People actually do that all the time. Not just with that situation, but people do that all the time. First of all, we're all living in. No one's living in reality. We're all living in someone else's perception of what reality is. Right. So if you had one girlfriend who had a possessive experience with you.

[Mall]

Right.

[Damaris]

You're not a possessive person. But sometimes people do things right. And that one story that you did made it to one person, that made it to another person. Rory is now a possessive boyfriend, even though that's not. That's not the truth.

[Mall]

But, yeah, if she would have, like, told her, hey, he shuts down, and you'll have a great three months, then he's probably gonna shut down, and you guys may not speak. I would have been like, why would you tell somebody that? But I could at least respect some of the truth that would be there. Yeah, but possessive. I was like, I'm the complete opposite of that. Like, I don't care. Yeah, that's my problem is the opposite of being possessive.

[Damaris]

Yeah. People are just living in their own perceptions and their own projections. We're all living in someone else's projection of what reality is. So. But people need to understand that. They need to not spread that. Like, for example, if somebody comes to me and I know a man, and they like, what is. What's it like dating him? I didn't date him. I know someone who dated him. But everybody's experience dating someone can be different. So this is what this person experienced from my third ear, telling it or hearing it. But that doesn't mean that that's how he is. Right. But you should never go and be like, this person is like this. And I hate when people are out Here claiming to be like my friends or to know me. I hate when people claim to know me because then when people. When people ask them about me and the information that they give them, people are automatically going to believe them. You see what I'm saying? Same thing with my friends. Somebody if. If we cool or we're cordial. Don't tell nobody about me because they're assuming that we're friends because they've seen us together. So now they assume everything that comes out of your mouth is true when you don't know me like that or you just have a different idea of me because of an interaction that we've had. And now you're projecting because of what you've been through in your life. Don't. I don't. Don't ask nobody about me. Don't tell nobody about me. Experience me yourself.

[Rory]

I know that's right.

[Mall]

Fourth quarter, baby.

[Rory]

D. Experience me by yourself. Unless you have a friend that looks just like you and she wants to experience everything together. Y then she's more than welcome to join us in this holy matrimony.

[Mall]

That'd be very arrogant to go find a person that looks just like you for the threesome. Like you think you look, which I'm not. I mean, I'm not mad at that idea, but it's just. It's a very vain way of thinking. Like that's how you know a man.

[Damaris]

Really attracted to you. I had a. I had a man. I told you. I had a man that used to look up brown skinned women or caramel colored women with back dimples.

[Rory]

He used to look them up weird like on.

[Damaris]

On pornhub. That's what would be his pornhub search church. He wanted to find women who looked like me.

[Rory]

I'm glad you're not talking to him no more. Are you good? He's a weirdo. Do we have another voicemail?

[Mall]

Specific like is wrong with that dude?

[Rory]

Like, get out the house. Stop punishing yourself.

[Mall]

Is there like SEO for that?

[Rory]

I don't know, man.

[Damaris]

He will find him.

[Mall]

Before we get out of here, shout out to our guy. Reason. Everything in my soul blue is available now. I love that. Since reason has been independent, he's been able to put out music way more consistently than he was before. And I promise you it's not a shot at tde. So everyone in that community relax. I'm just happy to see my friend able to put out music when he wants to. So definitely check that out. I'm still listening to the Banks album, Still listening to the Big L album. There's been a lot of good music in the last last few weeks.

[Rory]

Got some good projects.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So shout out to reason.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Everything in My Soul Blue available now.

[Mall]

Also shouts to our brother Royce. I know, I know he's. He had came out and told the world about some of his health problems and I'm glad he's on on the road to recovery. I'm glad able to tell the world too, because I know he's, you know, been feeling a little weird about that because certain people are asking him things and you know, he can't fulfill certain stuff because of what he's going through health wise. But I know he's on the up and up and trying to get there. So shout out to Royce.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mall]

You know, happy. Happy that we're. We're getting to a good place with. With what he's to going through. So. Yeah, this. This was fun. That's all I got today.

[Rory]

That's all you got?

[Mall]

That's all I got.

[Rory]

Listen, man, you gave it your best. That's all that matters. Rory, we'll talk to y' all soon. Be safe, be blessed. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. Peace.

[Damaris]

No worrying now.

[Mall]

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[Damaris]

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[Damaris]

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[Rory]

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[Damaris]

This is an iHeart podcast.