Episode 423 | Give Me Spaces

Summary

New Rory & Mal – Episode 423 | "Give Me Spaces"

Podcast: New Rory & MAL
Date: November 14, 2025
Hosts: Rory & Mal, with Damaris and Josh
Main Theme: Navigating internet controversies, relationship antics, celebrity rumors, sports culture, and everyday laughs.

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Episode Overview

This episode kicks off with lighthearted banter about morning mishaps and awkward work bathroom culture before quickly diving into the week’s main drama: Twitter Spaces, public apologies, and the circus of being embroiled in online controversy. Rory and Mal dissect internet outrage, relationships, wild celebrity takes, and sports, keeping the conversation sharp, irreverent, and unfiltered. The chemistry among the hosts brings out hilarious storytelling and memorable rants, with a dose of self-reflection and advice.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Morning Mishaps & Office Hygiene

• [03:29–04:41]
  • Rory deals with a building water shutoff. Banter about communal office toiletries leads to jokes about workplace etiquette.
  • Memorable exchange:
    • Mall: “I was making sure you wasn’t sitting here with swamp ass…”
    • Rory: “No, I would have…would have called out. Not coming in with swamp ass.”

2. Twitter Spaces Controversy & Public Perception

• [05:53–12:29]

  • Mal recounts entering a heated Twitter Space about past tweets and ends up apologizing for sounding dismissive, realizing not everyone came in bad faith.

  • They debate the purpose and toxicity of public forums, internet outrage, and the futility of addressing everyone online.

  • Mall’s Reflection [08:20]:

    • “After I listened to the space, I felt bad of how I handled being dismissive in the beginning. That’s all. So I want to apologize.”

  • Rory’s advice [10:16]:

    • “From now on, don’t go in spaces.”
    • They riff on the dangers of walking into digital “ambushes,” likening it to bumping your head on dumb things.

3. Internet Realities vs. Real Life

• [10:56–12:29]
  • Damaris and Rory discuss how online complaints rarely match up to real-life stakes, recalling internet connections and dismissing energy-vampires online.
  • Rory [11:27]:
    • “The Internet is not real.”

4. Dating, ‘Tricking,’ and Rent Payments

• [13:01–16:32]
  • Extended riff on rent and relationships, filled with tongue-in-cheek advice for men approached for financial favors.
  • “Rent is every month, right? Rent is getting crazy. That is every month. Every month is crazy.”—Rory, 14:03
  • Mall suggests a “timeshare” for paying women’s rent together to avoid being played (“Let’s all split this!”).

5. Kevin Gates' Viral Relationship Take

• [16:43–26:47]
  • Discussion of Kevin Gates’ controversial comments about “washed up women” and preferences for younger partners.
  • Hosts dissect double standards, age differences in dating, and the misogynistic undertones of the “washed up” argument.
  • Mall [19:57]:
    • “I ain’t trying to f*** with nobody I’m old enough to be their daddy.”
  • Hilarious “high body count” analogies using NBA rosters and All-Star game metaphors from Rory.
  • Reflect on how viral moments distort larger points and how the internet fuels outrage cycles.

6. Relationship Sex & “High Scores”

• [39:27–43:45]
  • Confessions about “high scores” for sex in one day, exhaustion from those marathon sessions, and debates over whether frequent sex equals “making love.”
  • Discussion turns playfully explicit, with banter about love, stamina, and romantic nostalgia.
  • “All five times…Oh, God, we was in love that day.”—Rory, 40:35
  • The group debates the line between “making love” and just “f***ing,” especially when frequency is high.

7. “Demons Need Love Too” – Club Night Stories

• [45:03–49:07]
  • Damaris describes attending a party named “Demons Need Love Too,” sparking jokes about the sensitivity of “demons,” Pedialyte hangover cures, and the “deep cuts” at R&B themed parties.
  • Rory teases Damaris about “demons” being soft, especially when Pedialyte is involved.

8. Meg Thee Stallion, Klay Thompson, and Athlete Transitions

• [49:33–55:35]
  • Unpacks rumors about Meg Thee Stallion’s Super Bowl ambitions and her relationship with NBA player Klay Thompson, discussing career transitions, athlete retirement ages, and what comes after sports.
  • “Their retirement age is so young for the world. Like, and now you have to figure out what you’re going to do.”—Mall, 54:16
  • They reflect on fame’s expiration and planning for “life after the game.”

9. Sebastian Telfair’s Life Story & Sports Financial Literacy

• [55:35–60:14]
  • Mal and Rory discuss the financial struggles of former NBA player Sebastian Telfair, the need for financial literacy, and how media narratives can distort reality.
  • Mall: “We’re taught how to make money. We’re not taught how to keep money and how to invest money.”

10. Carmelo Anthony & NBA “What Ifs”

• [60:14–67:14]
  • Reminiscing about Carmelo Anthony’s time at Syracuse and NBA career arc.
  • Debating team choices, missed opportunities, and the role of ego in a player’s late-career transitions.
  • “You might need to come off the bench and just give us some scoring. And a lot of the times, you know, he didn’t want to do that. That’s the ego thing.”—Rory, 62:33

11. Wrestling: Jade Cargill’s Win & Westside Gunn's WWE Fallout

• [72:58–77:27]
  • Shoutouts to Jade Cargill for winning the WWE Women’s Championship.
  • Controversy (and laughter) over Westside Gunn’s cease and desist from WWE despite years of hip hop-wrestling cross-pollination and his influence in merging both worlds.
  • Mall: “This is somebody stepping over a dollar to get a penny.”

12. Voicemail Advice: Cheating, Escorts, & Relationship Boundaries

• [77:52–84:00]
  • Listener asks about being stuck in the loop of his wife’s friend’s relationship drama—friend discovers her boyfriend uses escort sites, won’t leave him, is he “cheating responsibly”?
  • Rory & Mal share perspectives on transactional cheating, emotional detachment, and the messiness of advising friends who won’t change.
  • Hilarious twist—what if your partner bought sex?
    • Rory [81:04]: “Finding out your girl’s purchasing sex… I would need therapy for sure.”
    • “Go cheat on me like a respectable woman!”—Mall, 82:23

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On public internet outrage:
  “They were searching for attention. They were searching to go back and forth with you so they can clip it and put it on their YouTube channels.”—Rory, 07:15
• On workplace etiquette:
  “I was making sure you wasn’t sitting here with swamp ass…”—Mall, 03:58
• On dating strategies:
  “I'd rather be in a timeshare with a bunch of other guys… let's all split this.”—Mall, 14:24
• On relationship milestones:
  “All five times…Oh, God, we was in love that day.”—Rory, 40:35
• On financial advice:
  “We’re taught how to make money. We’re not taught how to keep money and how to invest money.”—Mall, 59:09
• On the absurdity of cheating revelations:
  “Finding out your girl’s purchasing sex… I would need therapy for sure.”—Rory, 81:04 “Go cheat on me like a respectable woman!”—Mall, 82:23
• On internet drama spillover:
  “This is why they end up on First 48. I’m trying to tell you. Those are some of the stories of what happened. Yo, she was buying dick.”—Rory, 82:49

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Key Timestamps

| Time | Segment | Key Topic | |----------|-------------|--------------| | 03:29 | Opening Conversation | Building problems, office hygiene | | 05:53 | Main Drama | Twitter Spaces controversy | | 08:20 | Apology & Reflection | Mal’s self-critique | | 13:01 | Dates & Rent | Jokes about rent-splitting; relationship “tricking” | | 16:43 | Kevin Gates Clip | Age gaps and “washed up women” debate | | 19:57 | “Old enough to be her daddy…” | Age/relationship boundaries | | 39:27 | Sex "High Scores" | Sex, relationships, stamina jokes | | 45:03 | Demons Need Love Too Party | Nightlife stories, R&B nostalgia | | 49:33 | Meg & Klay | Celebrity couples, athlete retirements | | 55:35 | Sebastian Telfair | NBA, financial literacy | | 60:14 | Melo at Syracuse | College basketball memories | | 72:58 | Wrestling | Jade Cargill, Westside Gunn controversy | | 77:52 | Voicemail | Cheating, escorts, boundary setting | | 86:16 | Outro | Upcoming De La Soul interview tease |

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Conclusion

Episode 423 is classic New Rory & Mal—melding Twitter beefs, relationship hot takes, wild sex stories, and candid sports debates into a freewheeling, laugh-heavy, and self-aware ride. Whether poking fun at themselves or the internet at large, the hosts refuse to take anything too seriously—except for the importance of avoiding drama you don’t need (especially in Twitter Spaces). If you missed the episode, this summary keeps you up to speed on the laughs, lessons, and off-the-wall honesty that define the show.

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Transcript

[Damaris]

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[Mall]

Welcome back. Happy end of the week. How's everybody feeling?

[Rory]

Good. Had an interesting morning, but I'm good.

[Mall]

Yeah, they shut all the water off in your building.

[Rory]

Off my building. Those days were far behind me.

[Mall]

Did. Did they finally figure it out? Were you able to shower and brush your teeth?

[Rory]

And one thing I will say, the time that they said the water would be back on, it was back on at that time. Okay, so I'm just. I wish they would have notified us yesterday.

[Mall]

Gotcha.

[Rory]

Instead of this morning.

[Mall]

Yeah, I was making sure you wasn't sitting here with swamp ass and, you know, you were feeling a little little better.

[Rory]

No, I would have crushed breast. Would have called out not coming in with swamp ass.

[Mall]

Would you brush your teeth here? Yeah, there was a couple toothbrushes in in there a few times, which I always found, like, odd why nobody brushed their teeth before they came to work.

[Rory]

I said the same thing about it being a bunch of deodorant. I was like, yeah, you know, people need deodorant.

[Mall]

Well, sometimes you forget to put on deodorant if, like, you're in a rush. I don't forget to brush my teeth though.

[Rory]

Sometimes you do.

[Mall]

Okay, well, I'm glad we could provide community toothbrushes for they weren't labeled either. I didn't even know.

[Rory]

Mouth stink and your underarm stink. You come to Ram Studios and take.

[Mall]

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[Rory]

Also, unless Peach forgets to upload the ad free.

[Damaris]

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[Rory]

But if Peach doesn't forget, it will be added.

[Mall]

So direct all your anger to Peej in that regard.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mall]

But also if you're listening to this on a Friday, today we have a live stream at 8pm on patreon.com Newborough Mall. Got some people from the discord coming.

[Rory]

Yes. Ka not will be in the building.

[Mall]

He's not in our Discord. He's not our Discord.

[Rory]

I saw the other day, Kai's taking a break from streaming.

[Mall]

He needs. So it's like I'm on my mapping.

[Rory]

Up, like in random places with people taking pictures of him. I'm like, okay, that's dope. He was on our stream for how many, how long?

[Mall]

I think month, four years straight. Yes.

[Rory]

But it is dope to see, you know, Kai step away and enjoy himself a little bit. Because he did. He has worked very hard in that space. So, yeah, shout out to the Bronx. Anytime I get a chance to shout out a Bronx legend.

[Mall]

He is a Bronx legend, though. I agree with you there.

[Rory]

Shout out to Kai.

[Mall]

Where. Where do we want to begin? I mean, your morning was probably less interesting than mine, but you know, you.

[Rory]

Had an interesting morning as well.

[Mall]

Something like that.

[Rory]

Oh, you know what happened with your morning?

[Mall]

You know the Twitter streets go. Listen, man, I. I went into Twitter spaces against all my friends.

[Rory]

You like that?

[Mall]

You think I'm a glutton for punishment?

[Rory]

Yes, I think you're a glutton for punishment. I think you're glutton for attention. I think you're a glutton for attention.

[Mall]

I don't know about that.

[Rory]

It's not cloud chasing. I don't want it to seem cloud chasing. It's not that. But you, you do like when this happening and your name is in it. Like you dive right into that shit. Like you like abuse.

[Mall]

I think, I think it's. You like more so to address things.

[Rory]

But I did you like to seem like a mar.

[Mall]

I wouldn't go that far. A martyr is a little.

[Rory]

You want to seem like a martyr for the culture. I'll take this one on the chin, fellas. Don't worry about it.

[Mall]

This is not one that I want to take on the chin whatsoever. But yes, I did go in to Twitter spaces. I don't think my intentions came off the correct way because I was in there to get my talking to.

[Rory]

Why?

[Mall]

But when I woke up this morning and listened back to some of it, I sounded very, very dismissive in the beginning.

[Rory]

As you should have been.

[Mall]

No, because there Were some people in there? Because I was on the side of, like, everybody knows. The people that know me know who I am and know what it is.

[Rory]

Which is why you shouldn't be talking about it.

[Mall]

But there were people in there that don't know me and were actually searching for an actual response.

[Rory]

We gotta stop saying that.

[Mall]

Can I finish, please?

[Rory]

They weren't searching for shit. They were searching for attention. They were searching to go back and forth with you so they can clip it and put it on their YouTube channels. That's all. They were searching for answers. Nobody was hurt. Nobody's children didn't eat last night as a result of tweets that you tweeted fake tweets 12 years ago. It's not that serious.

[Mall]

I agree with you that there was definitely people in there with just that intention, but there were some people that were generally just looking for an answer. And I apologize for being dismissive to those people in particular that were just looking for an answer to what some of those tweets and fake retweets and all that was. So I do apologize because I did come off dismissive to some people that did not deserve that, that were just saw something out of context and was like, yo, what's up with this? And I was a little condescending and dismissive in the beginning. About 20, 30 minutes in, I started to realize, oh, shit, all right, we're not doing the joke anymore. And at that point, everyone was texting me, get the fuck out of the spaces. And I felt like it was too late. Then I got to just stay here, because if I run, it's even worse. But I handled that space is very poorly. I will say that you are correct about the spaces.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

I'm saying, me personally, after I listened to the space, I felt bad of how I handled being dismissive in the beginning. That's all. So I want to apologize.

[Rory]

Why were you. Why were you being dismissive?

[Mall]

Because when it started, there was. I know people don't understand the term fake retweet, but at a time on Twitter, people would do. They would type out retweet. Someone's at to make it look like they said something. When you were battling back and forth.

[Rory]

On Twitter, yes, I was there.

[Mall]

So when that was popped up, yes, I was laughing about it, and I was dismissive. And then, you know, people have every right to feel away with or without context. Like, I'm not here to argue that. I'm just here to say I handled the spaces poorly.

[Rory]

That's all. I Guess it's just like, again, I'm gonna just keep going to the age difference between you and me.

[Mall]

I can empathize with. With somebody looking at my white face in this space for so long, having opinions, and then seeing those tweets and being like, yo, what the fuck? I can see the outrage with it. I'm not here saying, like, yo, what's. Like, why are y' all so mad? I'm not here to say that, but, I mean, the one they're the most outraged about was not in the context that they're making it seem. But with that said, I understand why everyone's outraged. Yesterday, I just was in a different mind state, and I was being a fucking dick because I thought it was laughable to. For somebody to call me a raging racist. But this morning, I did, too. But this morning, with a different lens and. And a good night's sleep.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Sound. I sounded like a. So, you know, I apologize for that.

[Rory]

Apologize to all the victims.

[Mall]

I'm not. See, don't put words in my mouth.

[Rory]

Are you here to apologize to everyone that was offended and was hurt?

[Mall]

Sure. If somebody was offended by that, I do apologize.

[Rory]

All right. I mean, you know, this is. That's. You know, how you feel. I'm cool.

[Mall]

But I mean, you know, I'm just saying.

[Rory]

Can you do me a favor?

[Mall]

From now on, don't go in spaces.

[Rory]

Exactly.

[Mall]

Listen, man.

[Rory]

Just that simple.

[Mall]

Just.

[Rory]

That's why you going to spaces, and that wasn't even your spaces to go in.

[Mall]

That's true.

[Rory]

Like, you just walk. You just walk in the dumb. Like, how you just bump your head on.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

All the time.

[Mall]

And. And throughout the entire thing, I was just making it worse. Like, I didn't. I didn't go. I didn't go in there and make anything better. I just continued. Anytime it even got, like, to an okay place, I made it 10 times worse.

[Rory]

I'm all for spaces. When it's, like, a group of people that's having, like, a real conversation about some real shit, and, you know, it's like, okay, cool. This is a cool. But you could just tell when there's people in the room that just want to have a moment. It's like, I'm not talking to you. I'm not.

[Damaris]

Who.

[Rory]

Who is this, please?

[Damaris]

Sorry.

[Rory]

Who is this? Who is this? Show me your bed, nigga. I want to see your bed before you talk to me. Don't talk to me until I see your sheets. Don't talk to me until I see your bathroom.

[Damaris]

I felt like I felt like when ma be like, yo, just like, get off the phone. That's why I just got off the phone and like, went to the club and I was like, yo, none of these niggas would ever be in here.

[Rory]

That's not a real thing.

[Damaris]

It's not real. The Internet is not real.

[Rory]

It's like, what are we talking about? Like, that shit is not. Now, in the same vein, I will say I've met some really cool people via social media over the years that I, you know, salute to them. And some of us are like really close friends and have great relationships to this day. So you do align with certain people that, you know, you end up having a lot in common with and they understand you and things like that. So shout out to them. I'm not. I'm never speaking to them. I appreciate those people, but the people that, you know is just looking for a moment and just looking for something to be mad about and something to be offended about. I don't have time to talk to those people. Those are the same people that feel like the white man got their foot on their neck. I ain't got time for that. I don't want to talk to those people.

[Mall]

And I understand you feeling that way, but you also have to look at the other side of my white face. Yes. People can be outraged if I make, and no pun intended, off colored joke. Like, that's fine. They can be upset. I. I get it.

[Rory]

I just went and it's a choice. It's a choice to be upset about that.

[Mall]

And I. I mean, I apologize if you are.

[Rory]

And if I can't. If I can never be mad at you for being, you know, racist. No. Nice guy. Well, that too. If you're racist, I can't listen. That's. That's your prerogative.

[Mall]

Like, that's your personal business.

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[Rory]

If you racist, that's your bad. Doesn't affect me at all. But I don't know, man. I just, you know, people are just. We got to get past certain things. Like, certain things that continue to be conversations to me is just like. It's almost like clockwork. You can almost tell. Like you could tell when a girl about to ask you for some money. Like, never talk to a girl from the 21st of the month to the 2nd.

[Mall]

She said, Yo, I'm stressed out.

[Rory]

She gonna start huffing and puffing after two huffs. Hang up. Cause the third huff, she gonna be like, if she need something that's gonna cost you, you know, talk to women from the 9th to the 18th of each month.

[Damaris]

Yo, I just realized. I definitely.

[Mall]

I be like, yeah, I ain't got time for that.

[Rory]

Once you start doing that.

[Mall]

And it's debate, too. Cause you're like, yo, what's wrong? You're right.

[Rory]

I got a lot. I got so much going on. Stress, like, I'm stressed.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And then, you know, you want to seem concerned.

[Mall]

Now all of a sudden, her mom's sick.

[Rory]

I'm like, but you just horny you. But you got to seem concerned. Like, what's wrong, baby? Talk to me. Yo, the worst thing is they went up 200 on my rent. Da, da, da. I gotta pay my car note. I ain't got time.

[Mall]

The worst thing is the premature. How can I help you out? Before you. Before you're even thinking. She's thinking monetarily, like, yeah, what you need? Like, how can I help? I'm here. What you need? You need an ear. Like, what's up? I was just like, rent is. Is getting crazy. You know that?

[Rory]

Like, rent is every month, right? Rent is getting crazy. That is every month. Every month is crazy. It gets crazy. It gets crazy.

[Mall]

You never, like, met me. How was you gonna pay rent, man?

[Rory]

She got four other like, you on the line. Somebody.

[Mall]

And they all paid it.

[Rory]

So somebody said it. They get 5 to send 400 rent paid.

[Mall]

But, see, that's my thing. I'd rather, like, be in a timeshare with a bunch of other guys than. Don't. Don't say Your rent is 2500 and you ask four different guys for 2500 for your rent. Like, now put us in a timeshare. Let's all split this.

[Rory]

Let's bust it down the crib or the pussy?

[Mall]

I meant the payment for the rent.

[Rory]

Oh, okay.

[Mall]

I haven't paid a girl's rent. But for joke. For joke. References.

[Rory]

I thought you said, Tom, she had a pussy.

[Mall]

Not if you're. If you want me to pay your rent. And you're also talking to another dude about him paying the rent. Like, let us split it 50, 50.

[Rory]

You don't.

[Mall]

Don't get 2500 from both.

[Rory]

You're definitely not the only person that she's talking to about her rent. I'm sure.

[Mall]

Well, that's why I don't pay rents.

[Rory]

But, yeah, definitely. You're definitely.

[Mall]

I just pay mortgages.

[Rory]

Yeah. I mean, listen, man, I understand it. I get it. It's cheaper to keep them.

[Mall]

What does that have to do with that?

[Rory]

I'm just saying, if a woman is huffing and puffing on your phone. Sometimes you just gotta be like, yo, how much is it? Because you ain't about to keep breathing in my ear. Like, how much what? All right, cool. Yeah.

[Mall]

Hey, listen, I've only paid rent if.

[Rory]

You with her like that.

[Mall]

When I was in a relationship, yeah. That's the only time I've ever been supposed to.

[Rory]

Yeah, if it's your girl, then absolutely. But if it's somebody you just trying to get to know and she's saying she's stressed and she don't know, you know, when she gonna see you again because.

[Mall]

She gotta go out and make some plays.

[Rory]

Yo, here. Just bring that ass over here. Sometimes, Baby D. I'm at that point. Sometimes it's just like, yo, here, man. We ain't gotta keep having these frivolous conversations. You gonna be huffing in my ear all night talking about you. I'm stressed now. Now I'm stressed. Now I hang up, I'm feeling stressed out.

[Mall]

Is. Is that tricking? Have we gotten Ma to finally admit that maybe he's tricked?

[Rory]

No, I'm saying, if that was the case, then, yeah, that is tricking.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

Yeah, I don't. I haven't done that.

[Mall]

Oh, okay. I thought you were suggesting. When she huffs and puffs, like, here you go.

[Rory]

No, if.

[Mall]

Just come.

[Rory]

Come over if you choose to. Me, I. I get off the phone, I hang up, act like the game is on. I'm like, yo, listen, this warriors game is crazy. I'll call you back. Steph got 40 in the second quarter. I start saying all kind of.

[Mall]

That's cool. You're running due on the first two.

[Rory]

So is mine.

[Mall]

That's crazy that we both.

[Rory]

Yo, we're dating.

[Mall]

We're so aligned.

[Rory]

Oh, hold on. Let me sit. Let me pay my 50.

[Mall]

You just do that, too. We got the same landlord.

[Rory]

Yeah, you throw all that energy. I throw it right back, like I'm huffing and puffing, too. We both got asthma that fast.

[Mall]

Listen, I'm crazy, but I don't know if I'm as crazy as Kevin Gates. Did y' all see that clip that I put in the. The group chat?

[Rory]

I did see a clip of Kevin Gates, and I've seen people killing him. Now, before we get into this, how old is the woman?

[Mall]

I. I think it may say it in.

[Damaris]

In the tweets, maybe.

[Rory]

All right, so what do I.

[Mall]

Terrible age.

[Rory]

Yeah. What, are they killing the world, though?

[Mall]

All right, well, before Josh plays it, it was a wild switch from when he was with, what, shorty, like, Brittany Renner when like, you know, made her convert.

[Rory]

He was he married? They were married.

[Mall]

Like. Yeah. And, and I mean he was, he was not only his dean at all. Now it's kind of like. Wait, what the just happened? Well, that 180.

[Rory]

Well, in this clip he was saying don't nobody want nothing that's washed up. You don't want no washed up woman. That's, you know, whatever. However you want to say what washed up means, whether she was passed around by a bunch of guys.

[Damaris]

He was saying washed up in reference to the age. That's why they're kill. They were killing him for dating a younger woman. And he said don't nobody want no washed up girl. Because apparently older women are older girls are washed up.

[Mall]

How old is he? Probably like 36, 37.

[Rory]

Probably low. He's probably like 30. Yeah. 37, 38.

[Mall]

Plenty of 37 year old women that.

[Rory]

Are not washed up. No. For 100. So that's what I'm saying. I don't think it was that. When you say washed, I think he meant like you done been through the wringer. Like you done been passed around. Okay, but I mean I could be wrong. I don't, I don't want to. I could be wrong.

[Damaris]

But that's coming from them saying why are you dating such a young woman? And the response is I don't want no washed up girl. That's why I'm dating younger.

[Mall]

I have heard the misogynistic theory from men that say they don't date older women because if they're single, they've been ran through through their 20s and 30s. That's why they don't. That's why they try to find a young that.

[Rory]

He's not talking about that cuz I'm.

[Mall]

Not saying Kevin Gates, these young have.

[Rory]

Heard they be passed around like Avis rent a cars. Like he can't be. He can't be talk. He can't be.

[Mall]

Yeah, by, by, by 21. There's a lot he got to just be the age.

[Rory]

He talking about like. And I mean, are people killing him? Because I mean 26, 30, 38. I don't think that's not much of.

[Mall]

A. I thought she was like 20 or 21 or some cuz.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's not 26 and you 30. What is he, 38, 39. That's not crazy. It's nothing crazy.

[Mall]

Can we play the clip though? Just, just for giggles, man.

[Rory]

Don't no want no old washed up ass man. What don't want a young Hoe, man. Young hoe. Okay. Don't like it. Eat my dick, man. Straight up.

[Mall]

You saw her face when you say young ho.

[Rory]

The what wants something that been. You heard me. I'm about to go my having motion. We ain't going to the used car line, man. What the use call lot. See, so you're saying in reference to older women. Hey, yeah. Damn. Yeah. Old enough to be your daddy. Yeah.

[Mall]

It's funny that that's what we're trying to debate here and not that he just screamed young ho right in her face.

[Rory]

Old enough to be your daddy. Like I don't know about that bar, Kevin. I don't know. I'm not. I can't back you on that bar right there. I ain't trying to with nobody. I'm old enough to be their daddy. I'm not. I'm not doing. I'm not doing that. But he's not old enough to be her father.

[Mall]

She's. Wait, but if. All right, you're 42.

[Rory]

4.

[Mall]

44. What's 44 minus 15?

[Rory]

29.

[Mall]

You dated 29 year old?

[Rory]

Absolutely.

[Mall]

You old enough to be a dad?

[Rory]

All right. Yeah, I could have. You're right. I could. I could have had a kid at 15. Yeah, yeah.

[Mall]

That's possible.

[Rory]

That is possible.

[Damaris]

It happens a lot, actually.

[Rory]

It is fucking crazy.

[Mall]

Yes. It's tough to have a child at 15 years old. I wouldn't say that's the best route to go.

[Rory]

Yes, it's possible as long as you're producing sperm and.

[Mall]

But I don't think it's crazy to have a kid at 15 because I lost my virginity at 14 and did not know what I was doing. I could have easily not pulled out in the right time.

[Rory]

That's crazy to lose your virginity at 14.

[Mall]

Oh, I agree with that. I've spoken about that before.

[Rory]

I think at 14 is crazy. Getting pregnant at 15 is crazy.

[Mall]

Well, like, you don't know how to. You don't know what you're doing at that point. It's easy. Easy to nut by accident.

[Rory]

Oh, no, no, no. For sure. But I'm just saying the point stands up. It would be crazy if you came home at 15 and told your mother that you got a girl pregnant. That would be absolutely crazy. So, yes, if a woman is 29 and I'm dating her, yes, technically, I could have had a kid when I. When she was born. Yes.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But.

[Mall]

But what if the school has a pregnancy pact? You ever saw that Lifetime movie Pregnancy Pack? We Google Pregnancy Pack. Josh Damaris I know you've seen Pregnancy Pack.

[Damaris]

I know what a pregnancy pact is.

[Mall]

No.

[Rory]

Do they still have daycares in schools?

[Mall]

I mean, I'm sure in certain.

[Damaris]

I'm sure. Yeah.

[Rory]

I remember that was the thing when I was in my freshman year. I couldn't believe that me up. I said, who's. I thought it was the teacher's kids walk past a room with a bunch of kids. I was like, who's it? He's like, nah. Some girls, the koha, they. It's like their kids.

[Mall]

Like, I mean, we. We had a few girls that were pregnant for sure in high school, but never enough that there needed to be, like, child services there.

[Rory]

A pregnancy pact is an agreement typically among teenage girls to become pregnant and raise their children together. The term became widely known following 2008 media frenzy surrounding a reported incident at a high school in Gloucester. Is that how you say it?

[Mall]

I think it's Gloucester.

[Rory]

Gloucester.

[Mall]

Gloucester.

[Rory]

Worcestershire. Source of Massachusetts, I think.

[Mall]

Isn't that where. Why am I blanking on his name? He's suing Vlad right now, ironically. I'm not racist. Jordan Lupus.

[Rory]

Oh, Jordan. Okay.

[Mall]

I think he's from there. Okay. But yeah, they did a whole, like, series on Lifetime about that high school.

[Rory]

Join it in rap about this. He's from.

[Mall]

I apologize joining about it. He could be from a different town in Massachusetts.

[Damaris]

He's from Worcester.

[Rory]

Worcestershire.

[Mall]

That's easy to get confused with Gloucester. Worcester.

[Rory]

No, it's not. Totally different names.

[Mall]

It's not.

[Rory]

That's just. Yeah.

[Mall]

Wait, isn't Gloucester where the Perfect Storm was? I love that movie.

[Rory]

Now, that sounds familiar. I think that was. Or somebody in. In there was from there. From that part of the town, which is wild. Oh, yeah.

[Mall]

See, the fact that's a truth.

[Rory]

Your ADHD is not that bad.

[Mall]

Sometimes it works in my favor, sometimes it doesn't.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

I love the Perfect Storm.

[Rory]

Great movie. Is that.

[Mall]

Is that a white thing?

[Rory]

No.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

It was. It was a black guy on the boat.

[Mall]

That is true.

[Rory]

So it can't be a white thing. See, we have representation there.

[Mall]

Then they brought up Mark Wahlberg's old tweets that he said out loud.

[Rory]

He wasn't in those spaces. He's still hosting the Academy Awards. He didn't have to go in those spaces.

[Mall]

Can you imagine being in the lunchroom with your crew and finding out you was part of the pregnancy pact and didn't even know it? Yeah. That's just five of your friends. Like, wait, they conspired to do this?

[Rory]

Yeah, that's Great. So. All right, so Kevin Gates, they're mad at him, Baby D, for saying that. Does he have to go into spaces tonight? I'm just trying to figure it out. I don't know what's happening right now. I'm just trying to. What are they. Are they mad about what he said?

[Damaris]

People are upset about what he said.

[Rory]

Yes, Kevin, they mad at you too. Get your ass in the spaces tonight.

[Mall]

8Pm Listen, he can start a car with his hands so he could drive out here.

[Rory]

Kevin Gates, has he ever been in the spaces? That would go crazy.

[Mall]

I think the Kevin Gates on Clubhouse.

[Damaris]

At some point, everybody was at Clown Clubhouse or something.

[Rory]

Yeah, I'm sure we need Kevin Gates in the spaces. Let's make a spaces and just hope that Kevin Gates just pops in it, because that's. That's who y' all need to talk. Y' all need to hear from somebody like that.

[Mall]

I feel like when we signed with with Volume, they were asking dream guests, and we said Kevin Gates, like, was one of the first ones.

[Rory]

Absolutely.

[Mall]

He would be the greatest podcaster of all time.

[Damaris]

Whack 100 and Kevin Gates had a Clubhouse interview.

[Mall]

You know, I'm.

[Damaris]

Go back and watch.

[Mall]

I'm definitely gonna. I'm sure that's one of the most entertaining things of all time.

[Rory]

That was during COVID or something.

[Damaris]

I guess so.

[Rory]

I feel like we missed so many of those during COVID Like, those gems like that that would go platinum right now.

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[Mall]

We were heavy on Clubhouse during COVID Whack100 completely took it over. Like, once outside opened up again, it. It became wack close. It's Whack House 100%, 100 entertainment. Like, he took over at that point, but I would always go on YouTube and find the clips. He would do some of the funniest spaces interviews. I have to listen to that Kevin Gates.

[Rory]

So, Baby D, how do you feel about that? Because you've dated older men.

[Damaris]

Yes, I have dated older men, but I mean, he just sounds stupid. Like, it's. Women that are older than 25, 26, 27 are not washed up in ranch.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's what he was saying. He's wrong about.

[Damaris]

I don't understand why. Okay, so you keep saying, if that's what he's saying. He literally said. They said. He said, why am I dating younger women? Don't nobody want no old hoe. Why wouldn't you want a young thing? He's saying what he's saying like, you keep shooting him bail.

[Mall]

But he stopped himself. He was about to say that's been ran through. He stopped himself. If you go back to the clean.

[Damaris]

Yeah, like that's what I'm saying. Like he said, how does it go?

[Rory]

Hand in hand.

[Mall]

That's what he means. I think it means both, too. That's.

[Damaris]

That's what he's saying. If you're older, you ran through because you've had more penis.

[Rory]

All right, well, I'm saying he's wrong in that. That don't mean just because you hold it up. Because I'm. Like I said, these young 24, 25.

[Mall]

20, man, listen, they've surpassed some of the 40 year olds.

[Rory]

You think Russell Westbrook got jerseys. Some of these 25 year olds, they done played in every city, every Eastern Conference, Western All Star, Pro Bowl. They had all the events. I'm like, God, are you a season ticket holder? I know how much those seats are.

[Mall]

They went to the NFL games in Germany.

[Rory]

Yo. Yeah, you everywhere. You going to NBA in London.

[Mall]

I mean, that's a good trip.

[Rory]

It is a good trip. If you're playing. Those two teams are not that interested.

[Mall]

You don't want some company with the.

[Rory]

Nobody want to see the Knicks vs. The Nets in London. Who watching that? I don't want to see that down the block at the Garden. I'm not going to the Knicks and Nets. I'm not flying to London to see the Knicks and Nets. So if I see a woman that flew from America to go see the Knicks and Nets in London, I got questions is all I'm saying.

[Mall]

I mean, maybe she had some parlays, wanted to see it in person.

[Rory]

Yeah, I get it. Should be an average parlay in person.

[Mall]

Check on your parlays at his hotel.

[Rory]

Yeah, you in this room, check us. How we feeling tonight? I'm feeling like we gonna cover these eight rebounds.

[Mall]

Don't get more than seven, boys.

[Rory]

This is crazy, man. But yeah, Kevin. I don't know. Kevin Gates is, you know, he's. He's one of those ones too that don't give a. What people think about him and what.

[Mall]

People say about him.

[Rory]

So he don't give a.

[Mall]

I've never brought this up, Mall, but I know you're thinking about upgrading to the all new iPhone 17 Pro.

[Rory]

It brings up to me all the.

[Mall]

Time like, I'm sorry that I'm. I'm spilling your business out there, but that's. That's all you talk about. Yeah, but I understand because it's designed to be the most powerful iPhone ever. But are you also thinking about the traffic on your way to the store especially you have like a Uber driver of a gender. Yeah, traffic. It's going to be crazy slammed. Well, good news when you order a new phone online with Boost Mobile to send an expert to your home or work to deliver your brand new iPhone 17 Pro and you'll get set up on Boost Mobile within minutes. No hassle at Omar.

[Rory]

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[Mall]

NMLS 910457 we covered the big Sean and Janae thing even though we had like really no information on it whatsoever. I hate what they did to Sean, man. Just a girl behind him. Now all of a sudden he has a new model girlfriend. Like, what if he didn't even know that girl?

[Damaris]

He didn't. I don't think. I don't think he did. I think they cleared up that her actual boyfriend was behind her.

[Mall]

Like once I saw at the J. Cole show, Aaron Judge take a photo with three women that just walked up to him and said, hey, can we get a photo? And then they walked away. And then the Post did a full story of like, how he was fucking all these women that he's taking photos. I watched him not say a word to those women. And there was a full story about how he was like dating one and this and that. So that's why I, like, feel for Sean. When you see it in person, when you see what happened and then see the article, it just looks at. It makes you look at media a completely different fucking way.

[Rory]

Yeah, but to what you're saying, though, I've seen dudes not say a word to a girl publicly. And they was definitely fucking that girl. I've seen it. So the Post may have info you don't have with young women that took that picture with Aaron Judge, then Judge.

[Mall]

Handled that like a smooth crib. He was like, yeah, for sure. They walked in, hey, can we get a picture? And he was like, yeah, of course. They took a photo. And then they walked away. No one spoke ever again. We all just wrapped.

[Rory]

I'm just saying I've been in environments like that where.

[Mall]

Well, I've done that.

[Rory]

This is what I'm saying.

[Mall]

So. But I don't think that's what.

[Rory]

And in environments at a party. Hey, can I take a picture, homie? Take a picture. Don't say another word. We get back to the hotel, they already upstairs. How did that happen? He must be David Blaine. I don't know how that happened. He knows magic. I don't know.

[Mall]

Judge just wanted to see boss.

[Rory]

I'm not saying Judge. I'm not saying Aaron Judges. I'm just saying I've seen these high profile celebrities not speak to these women publicly and then get back to the hotel, and these women are already key at the front desk already upstairs. I don't know how it happens. I'm just saying I've seen it happen. That's all I'm saying.

[Mall]

Well, I don't think Sean was dating that woman. I just think she was.

[Rory]

No, not Sean. I'm not saying Big Sean in this case. So it is official that him and Janae are no longer together.

[Mall]

I'm looking to Damaris for this one. They cleared up the rumors.

[Damaris]

They. Well, the clip they. The rumor that they cleared up was things that were being said about Janae's past. Basically there was a tweet where somebody was basically saying, big Sean and Janae have broken up. And it's because people are saying that Sean's wasting her time. And they're like, janae was once married to Dr. Genius and she cheated on her husband with Big Sean. And they just had this whole. They wrote a whole narrative for Janae's life. So Big Sean retweeted it. Scroll up, Josh. Big Sean retweeted it and basically was like, I hate That y' all are doing this to, like, Janae. Like, I understand y' all writing narratives about me, but I hate that y' all are doing this to her. And it became, like, a big thing because people were like, kind of like, sean, why would you, like, retweet that? Because now you just bought more attention to it. People probably wouldn't have seen it. And then that's when Janae stepped into the shade room to be like, hey, first of all, me and Dot are fine. He never beat me. All of those are rumors. But we just got married too fast. We eloped. We fell in love fast. When I was mourning my brother, we eloped, and then we realized that we had married each other. Even though we were strangers, we have no issues. But we separated. Me and Sean got together after a long friendship. Like, it's just kind of like clearing up the rumors of people just saying how toxic their relationship is and all that shit, and people attacking Janay and making it somehow her fault, per usual. Per misogyny.

[Rory]

So her and Big Sean are still together?

[Mall]

They have never really addressed that.

[Damaris]

They didn't really address it. I'm assuming they're. They're broken up because they have not cleared up that they have not come on and said, we're still together.

[Mall]

So, yeah, Sean basically just said, leave for the.

[Damaris]

Leave her alone.

[Mall]

Like, what? Yeah, y' all are being weird. Just leave her out of this entire thing.

[Rory]

Okay, well, hopefully, you know, whatever they got going on. And that's another thing we do, too. See, this is, like, spaces for Big Sean and Janae. Why are we even talking? Who cares? That's their business.

[Mall]

I mean, yeah, of course it is. And their personal business is not our business. I would only speak to it as somebody that wanted part two of 2080.

[Rory]

Now, we could have that conversation. Are we still getting that? Are we getting that? Are we getting another album?

[Mall]

You know what would be really dope? And again, I don't want to play around with their personal life, because I know they have a child together.

[Rory]

That's.

[Mall]

That's a whole thing. Co parenting. That's just. It's a thing. So what if they did, like, a love Below speaker box thing where Sean gave his side on one album and then she gave hers on the other and, like, lemonade to 444 type of thing, but in the Outkast thing, and that's. That's the new 2088, like, that's like, they don't have to be together to do it. Like, they just give their side.

[Rory]

I Like that. That's like the last season tomorrow. And when him and Gina couldn't be filming together, they were going through their thing, and then it was making it seem like he was moving to LA to be well, because she moved to LA for a new job. Like, yeah, they could. They need to do it like that. Like, you make your album, get your shit off. I'm not gonna even listen to it. We don't hear it until it comes out. And then I get my shit off on my side of the album. I like that. So that's actually some genius shit right there.

[Mall]

Here's the thing. All right, let's debate this. The obvious answer is that Janae is gonna win that because that's Janae's bag. I would be very, very terrified of Janae's pen in that regard. Like, if we were doing a breakup album versus in that way, Janae. Janae might be top three of all time when it comes to that type of pen. But if you've heard that Bryson Tiller record over the J Dilla, when Sean gets in his breakup bag, he's up there, too. I don't know if this would just be a clear fleece for Janae, even though we know who she is when it comes to that type of content.

[Rory]

I don't know, but you're looking at it like a battle. I'm not looking at it like that. I'm looking at it like. I just want to hear both sides from each person's perspective on what the relationship.

[Mall]

Same. Who's going to do it better?

[Rory]

Who's going to do it better Is different now.

[Mall]

Who.

[Rory]

Who has. Who picks better production?

[Damaris]

Janae.

[Mall]

I mean, Janae. Janae really ushered in an entire sound to the R and B genre. Like, Janae has more kids than. I think people give credit to. The way we talk about Aaliyah and how many kids she has. I. I think we don't give Janae enough flowers of how many children she has running around of. From her exact Sonic's writing voice. Sean, though, I mean, he did go triple platinum last time he talked about his ex.

[Rory]

This is what I'm saying.

[Mall]

He knows. He knows what he's doing when he talks about.

[Rory]

He's no stranger to this environment. He's no stranger to this environment when.

[Damaris]

They were dissing each other on none of your concern. Right?

[Mall]

Yeah. Love that record.

[Damaris]

Cause, see, Janae could, like, go crazy on him. Crazy wordplay, crazy poetry. You say some shit to me. Like, I made you come nine times in one day, and I'm a fly. I'm gonna crash out on the record. Like, I'm.

[Rory]

Who said that?

[Damaris]

Big Sean said that. I have none of your concerns.

[Rory]

He said Janae made him come nine times.

[Damaris]

Oh, he said he made her come nine times.

[Rory]

Okay. I'm about to say, I don't know if he was supposed to admit that she made you come nine times.

[Mall]

I mean, they did this record together.

[Rory]

Yeah. But I still don't know if he was supposed to, like, let that out. Like, your girl make you come nine times in one day. You gonna tell nobody no shit like that? She know. Yeah, she. She got you a girl, make you come nine times.

[Mall]

No, he was saying that he made her.

[Rory]

I know, but I'm thinking that he was saying that she made him. I'm about to say, if that was the case, a man can't. You can't let that out the bag.

[Mall]

Who can come nine times?

[Rory]

This is what I'm trying to say. Any man.

[Mall]

Only a woman can do that.

[Rory]

This is what I'm trying to tell you. So any man that be like, yo, shorty made me come nine times in one day. I think every. All men collectively would be like, word, like. And now every. In her inbox, I'm trying to see nine times in one day, fam. Like, what's up? Soon as y' all break up, y'.

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[Rory]

Me and him wasn't even cool like that.

[Mall]

You could give me a. A dick steroid and the baddest chick on Earth, and I still wouldn't be able to come.

[Damaris]

What's been your top, your high? The most?

[Rory]

My high score.

[Mall]

High score of making a girl come or how many times you've come?

[Damaris]

How many times you have come?

[Rory]

I'm gonna come.

[Mall]

I'm gonna come.

[Rory]

Come diddy dum, dum.

[Mall]

I probably hit the five. I probably hit five. Am I in my. My youthful days? I could probably do five now if I trained.

[Rory]

It probably was around that for me, too. But all I remember is, like, after the last one, I felt like I was so, like, depleted. I said, I can't do this. Like, I can't. I felt, like, weak. Like, I had. I was lightheaded. Like, I just felt, like, empty. Yeah. Like, I got. I had to put on, like, compression socks. It was all kind of shit going on.

[Mall]

Like, the Red Cross had to come.

[Rory]

Yeah. I remember saying, like, y', all, maybe we should go outside. It was like, one of those days where you just in the crib all day, probably. I think it was raining nasty outside. We both in the Bed naked, TV on. Like, we just humping busting nuts. I just remember getting up like, yo, I. I need like, protein. I need to replenish. I remember having that feeling of just getting lightheaded.

[Mall]

Like, did you love her?

[Rory]

Did I love her in that moment? I did that day. Oh, yeah. I loved it at day.

[Mall]

All five times.

[Rory]

Oh, God. Who's in love that day? Yeah, that was. That was my baby that day. Two weeks after that, I was off it, though.

[Mall]

But by 4, like, wow, there's really not much left. Like, you're just orgasming with like. Like a little fluid will come out. It's not. I don't even think that's come.

[Rory]

Yeah, no, it's like when you dry heaving. Like when you vomit.

[Mall]

Exactly, exactly. Your dick is dry.

[Rory]

Yeah. I'm not even like, what am I doing right now? Let's get left in your stomach. Let's be productive in society today.

[Mall]

Man, I miss those. Those old days when you in love. And just all goddamn day it's raining.

[Rory]

Oh, man, it's the best, right? Cuddling in between Uber eats outside the door cold.

[Mall]

And then you just get that feeling, all right, I'm ready again. Yeah, your brain tells you that. All right, you good now?

[Rory]

I'm horny again. This over there. Shmy. You ain't even. Yo, get in the shower. Y' all go outside. Breathe. Open these windows. Do something. Get out the bed.

[Mall]

Nah, I'm gonna go try to file.

[Rory]

That's how you got tomorrow.

[Mall]

Well, I mean, respectfully, with that person. Yes. Somebody I was in love with and not gonna give details there.

[Rory]

But no binge humping.

[Mall]

For sure. Yeah, I would pumping.

[Damaris]

My God.

[Mall]

Respectfully, making love. I prefer.

[Rory]

Yo, see, this is why you being spacious to my. I'm sorry. You was not making love.

[Mall]

Yes, I was.

[Ad Read 4]

I was.

[Mall]

Yeah, with somebody I was in love with.

[Rory]

That's not making love. Just cause you in love with him don't mean you not fucking.

[Mall]

You can make love.

[Damaris]

Why you act like he can't make love?

[Rory]

That's not what I said. That's not what I said. But if you having sex and you busting five nuts in one date, you fucking. You not making love five times.

[Damaris]

Yes, you can.

[Rory]

You not making Baby D. You can Baby D. Stop, stop, stop, please.

[Mall]

I'm hungover. Just be dish.

[Rory]

I know, that's what I'.

[Mall]

I'm chilling.

[Rory]

But stop. Is not making love five times. Just like you not putting on five condoms after that three pack after that three. Listen, check it out. Let go and let God. I'm not going back to the store. I'm not going back to the store. I'm not.

[Mall]

That's why I be laughing when people that go through the condom pack and then just end up raw. Like, you could have just done. Like, why didn't you just raw from.

[Rory]

Yeah, like, what we doing now?

[Mall]

But you lowered your chances, which you got a lot of that. That out of your system.

[Damaris]

Chances of, like, the chlamydia getting you.

[Mall]

Oh, I was about, like, a sperm count.

[Rory]

Oh, wait. No, no, no.

[Mall]

Give me. That was not.

[Rory]

What are you talking about? What do you mean you lowered the chances of getting chlamydia because you went through three condoms? What are you. What math is that?

[Mall]

Did the latex just stick to your dick?

[Rory]

Yeah. Explain that to me. Please explain that. What do you talk about?

[Damaris]

Because, like, you just. If you go outside, like, five times, okay, Then you. Five times without your gun, you go outside, then you might get robbed five times. But if you go outside with your gun three times, then you only might get robbed twice the times you didn't have the gun. That's.

[Rory]

I don't know what the. She just.

[Mall]

I'm drunk.

[Rory]

That was the marriage.

[Mall]

That was foxy. Bunch of.

[Rory]

What the are you talking about? That math was crazy.

[Damaris]

I told you, I'm not.

[Rory]

You goss out five times. You might not.

[Mall]

If a tree falls in the forest, do you hear?

[Rory]

How much wood could a wood chuck.

[Ad Read 4]

Chuck?

[Rory]

If a woodchuck could chuck wood. What is the matter?

[Mall]

What came first? The chicken of the egg?

[Rory]

Yo, you just gave me no clearance on what you was talking about.

[Damaris]

I'm sorry, y'. All.

[Mall]

But listen, man, if you go to Ocean prime and then Top Golf, you're not making love after.

[Rory]

Hell. Nah.

[Mall]

You making love, you go to Top Golf.

[Rory]

That's not making love. We not making love. We. We ready to go. I'm horny you both.

[Mall]

You can do both.

[Damaris]

You can be horny and make love.

[Rory]

Not. You can't make no making love five times in one day. Damaris, who.

[Mall]

I'm a.

[Rory]

That made love five times in one day.

[Mall]

But wouldn't you say the definition of making love would be that you're in love?

[Rory]

No, I'm about to curse her out. No, I'm dead serious. I'm about to curse Damaris out. No. Stop playing with me.

[Damaris]

I can't take much more.

[Rory]

I swear to God. Yo, I swear to God, they gonna have a spaces with me tonight if I talk to Damaris.

[Mall]

You want me to come on stage?

[Rory]

Damaris, stop Playing with me. Stop fucking playing. Cause I'm not. I'm trying not to go there with you, but you pissing me off. And I'm about to go there, so stop le. Leave me alone, Damaris. I'm telling you right now, leave me the alone. All right, cool.

[Mall]

Okay, we can move on. You was out last night. What happened? And did Mall go with you? Because I know you guys had.

[Rory]

I was at a makeup date.

[Damaris]

I was at a party called Demons Need Love Too. Shout out.

[Rory]

Damaris. Damaris. Yo, please, just move her mic. Just cut her mic off. She had a party called Demons and what? Demons in Paradise.

[Mall]

Demons Need Love, Too, which I think is a great name for a party. If you would have just invited me, I would have been on space out.

[Damaris]

To the demon boys.

[Rory]

Demons Need Love, Too. So I like.

[Mall]

I like the title of that.

[Rory]

So what happens at this parties, Mar?

[Damaris]

It was a R and B party.

[Rory]

Demons went to a R and B party.

[Ad Read 4]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Demons need love, too. It was a R and B party.

[Rory]

I was it real demons in there, though.

[Mall]

You looking at one.

[Rory]

Damaris ain't no demon, man.

[Damaris]

Please.

[Rory]

She's sitting here with Pedialyte. Pedialyte? Demons don't need Pedialyte. Like, she's sipping cold Pedialyte trying to recover. Demons don't need that.

[Mall]

They just need people's souls.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's it. They just eat souls and get back to it. Yeah, like, you don't need no Pedialyte. So demons need love, too.

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Rory]

Shout out to demons. Lead love, too. So it was an R B party.

[Damaris]

It was wonderful. They played, like, real R B. Like, you know, you go to R B parties, play the same five song. Nah, niggas got in a R B bag, yo.

[Rory]

Yeah, the deep cuts, the B side.

[Damaris]

Feeling I ain't felt in years.

[Rory]

You was doing what?

[Damaris]

Feeling I ain't felt in years.

[Rory]

Like, right, man.

[Ad Read 1]

All right, go ahead.

[Rory]

Y' all got it.

[Mall]

Go ahead.

[Rory]

Go ahead, Rory.

[Damaris]

It was a good party I had.

[Rory]

You know, a little bit I was feeling.

[Mall]

Tell me about the feelings I was feeling.

[Rory]

I ain't for what you ain't. What you felt at the Demons knee. Love, Damaris, that you ain't felt in years. Please tell me what you felt.

[Mall]

Why did that Carl Thomas record hit different?

[Rory]

Why them words? Why them lyrics landed like that last night. Tell the people.

[Damaris]

Yo, listen, when you singing cater. I don't even want to get into it anyway. When I was on space.

[Mall]

She wouldn't.

[Rory]

Put this durag on.

[Mall]

She want to take a. She Want to take a grown man shoes off?

[Rory]

Yo, it's called demons. It you in there acting like you acting like a in there. It's demons. Demon time. Angel that does that crying.

[Mall]

Only angels run back on her for.

[Rory]

You put durags on you. What you doing?

[Damaris]

Oh, first of all, demons is the most sensitive people you can ever meet. You ever had a demon in love with you?

[Rory]

That is true. Yeah. Very, very sensitive. Yeah.

[Cliff]

Nah.

[Damaris]

But when we was on Spaces, I was getting ready for the club, like, dead ass, trying on different skimpy little outfits, listening to Marielle. And, yeah, I went out, and I'm like, Rory. Like, I'm like, Rory, you know, just get some sleep. That text me and say, you get some sleep. You on Steinway. I'm like, yo, get off my location.

[Rory]

Like Diami.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I was a stiammy. Man.

[Rory]

Was running around with that. I was like, totally forgot police.

[Ad Read 3]

Why?

[Rory]

I don't hang out with nobody. When start saying like that. They don't even know I delete them out my phone. Like, where you at, bro? I'm in Stiami. Delete. I'm not talking to this ever again. You're in Queen, sir. What the are you talking.

[Damaris]

Oh, my.

[Rory]

I'm in Stiam.

[Mall]

The closest beach is the East River.

[Rory]

Shut the up, man. You in Queens Aoria. Like, shut the up.

[Mall]

You are one block away from Ravenwood Project.

[Rory]

Like, what? I'm in Stiam. All right, man.

[Damaris]

That was a time.

[Rory]

So that's where you was at last night?

[Damaris]

That's where I was at, man.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

What's the. What's the Steinway nightlife like these days? It's been a while for me. I've been on Steinway when the sun is out recently.

[Rory]

But wait till mom Donnie checks in January 1st.

[Mall]

He lives in. He lives on style.

[Rory]

He got power now. He got access to funds.

[Mall]

There won't be a traffic law on that street.

[Rory]

You see what it looked like over there? March. Well, y' all wait. Good. I'm sorry, Baby D. So use this thing.

[Damaris]

Yo, yo.

[Rory]

Demons need love.

[Damaris]

I wanted to send Josh a video, actually, of you.

[Mall]

All right, all right.

[Rory]

Thighs, white slip.

[Mall]

Little white slip with the.

[Rory]

With this.

[Mall]

That's leather shorts matching the leather boots. Not you cheersing on ig.

[Damaris]

Sweet, sweet lady was playing. Yo, Tyrese.

[Rory]

Okay, lady, what did you guys be playing? Demons need love, too. Who is the. With the hookah? He trying to act like he not with you.

[Damaris]

I don't. First of all, it's my brother. Don't do that. And it Was his birthday. I don't too much play.

[Rory]

It's always a birthday. Shout out my Gucci, yo.

[Damaris]

All right, what's on the docket?

[Mall]

I'm done. I'm done making birthday jokes, so I'll just leave that one alone.

[Rory]

Yeah, shout out my Gucci, yo.

[Damaris]

Clay. Clay.

[Rory]

What about Clay Damaris? What about Clay Thompson?

[Mall]

Tell us.

[Rory]

Tell us. Yeah. Cause your girl. Your girl got this. He asking to go to LA now. He went out of Dallas. He like, y' all want to go? Yo, Meg is crazy, yo. Oh, my God. I just saw something on the dock, and Meg is manifesting a Super bowl performance.

[Mall]

Matt Josh said we'll confirm.

[Damaris]

I mean, I feel like every artist wants, like, would want that.

[Mall]

Again, bad timing. But if you go back to her old tweets, she has manifested a lot of amazing things. That was even, like, a campaign with billboards of all, like, Meg's old tweets of manifesting all the stuff that she accomplished. So, I mean, her manifesting works. Personally, I don't think she's there yet in her career, but I don't think that's a crazy possibility that she eventually will be.

[Rory]

Yeah. I mean, and maybe not her headlining, but she. Somebody bringing her out.

[Mall]

Oh, hell yeah. For sure.

[Damaris]

But she said. Yeah, she said, for myself in the future.

[Rory]

Oh, okay. That was the full her and future.

[Damaris]

No, for myself.

[Mall]

Cause that would be a crazy halftime future. And Meg.

[Rory]

Meg puts on a good shot. I only seen her once, but her stage performance was dope.

[Mall]

Seen her at Broccoli City. I've seen her at Made in America. I think One. Other two. No, she's a really good performer.

[Rory]

Yeah, but before the super bowl halftime. Meg Klay Thompson, man, we gonna pray for you, man.

[Damaris]

So, okay, so you said he's asking to go to la. You know, this is.

[Rory]

It's just a rumor.

[Damaris]

Sports for Dummies.

[Rory]

Because when he went to Dallas, originally, he went there to go play with Luka.

[Mall]

And then Luca went right to la.

[Rory]

He said he wasn't coming off the bench. He didn't want to come off the bench when he went to Dallas. Cousin Golden State. When he was there his last couple years, his last year, I think he was coming off the bench at one point in Golden State. He didn't want to do that. Kind of messed with his rhythm a little bit. Went to Dallas, wanted to play with Luka. Luka trades Dallas. I mean, Dallas trades Luca to la. So now he's in Dallas. No, Luca, Kyrie's her. It's just not. It's not a very good situation right now. And then the fact that he's in love and his passion for basketball is probably like, you know, I wouldn't want to leave the. Leave the house if I had Meg in my bed either. I wouldn't want to go to the gym to fucking shoot threes.

[Mall]

Like, you'd rather make love?

[Rory]

Yeah, I'd rather.

[Mall]

Exactly.

[Rory]

I'd rather be home. So.

[Mall]

Do you think LA is gonna, like, make it inspire him more?

[Rory]

Not that, but I think that it'll be a. It'll be a better situation for him as far as playing. I mean, he's with Luka, obviously. LeBron, he's with guys where he can just come in and just do what Clay does. You know, it won't be a lot required of him. He just needs to knock down open shots, be the guy that, you know, the three point specialist on the team. You're in la, your girlfriend is a star. Like, you know what I'm saying? It just, it's a win, win for both of y'. All. Now, granted, Mega's from Texas. I'm sure she's happy to be in Texas while boyfriend as well, but she wouldn't be mad if he got traded to the Lakers and she's courtside at the Lakers games now. And you know, you know how all of that is part of it.

[Mall]

Definitely. Marketing. Yeah.

[Rory]

It'S better for both of them.

[Mall]

I mean. All right, so CLAY Is, is 35, extremely accomplished, one of the better shooters. Generation. Yeah, for sure. At what point would you just want to decide, like, let me retire and just start a family?

[Rory]

I'm sure.

[Mall]

Or you go the Tom Brady route and it's like, yo, fuck them kids. I'm going to tell.

[Rory]

No, I can't see that. I mean, you know, I'm sure he's, you know, at that point where he's looking at life after basketball and that's becoming more of a real conversation for him. Not putting too much on him and Meg's relationship. We obviously, we don't know. I don't know if they've.

[Mall]

I'm saying in the, the event that these are the two people that are soulmates and destined to be with each other. Yeah, like, at what point? It's just like, all right, I've accomplished what I've accomplished here. The situations I'm in in Dallas are not great. I don't know if LA is gonna be a thing like, let me just ask him.

[Rory]

Start a family. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure that's a commerce I'm sure he's thinking about that.

[Mall]

This is why I do feel for athletes a lot.

[Rory]

I'm gonna be honest. They seem to be really in love. Like, they seem to really, like, enjoy each other having fun. You know, it's still early in the relationship, but still, you know, they look like they really enjoy each other. They get along. They have a great time. Just from what we, you know, they show us, they look like they really do have a good time with each other. So, you know, I'm sure they're having those conversations, family and, you know. Yeah. Hopefully, you know, it works out for them, but.

[Mall]

Okay. That's why I feel for athletes, because Clay is 35. He's, I guess, old for the NBA, but he's extremely young for the Earth. Like, that's kind of. That's where I really, really feel for athletes. Like, their retirement age is so young for the world. Like, and now you have to figure out what you're going. And not everyone, you know, has as much money as Clay does or is accomplished. Where. I'm sure Clay could get any type of broadcasting job immediately just because of who he is. But, like, the guy that's been on six different teams, you know, averaging 10 points, just. Just trying to make it.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Now you 33, and it's like, yeah, no more teams want me. I mean, like, football.

[Rory]

Listen, they retire early in football. Running back, 26 years old, 27, retired. So, you know.

[Mall]

Yeah, I know people like to give athletes like, yo, you're a millionaire, and you're doing the greatest job ever.

[Rory]

But.

[Mall]

No, I should. I'm 28 and retired still.

[Rory]

You still have, like.

[Mall]

It's still, like, you don't last that. I don't care how much money you really make at 28. And if you're living that lifestyle, have a bunch of family members that you've taken care of, like, you're adapted to that lifestyle.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Now I'm 28, and it's just like, okay, I left college early. I don't have a degree.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

I can't be a broadcaster. Tom Brady took that job. Now what the fuck do I do?

[Rory]

That's. I don't know if y' all saw the. Sebastian Telfair. He has a. What is it. Is it a documentary? Is it a. Like a.

[Mall]

So, I mean, I saw the clip that he was still. He moved back to. I mean, he's obviously in prison now, but he had moved back to his projects.

[Rory]

I think that's Cap.

[Mall]

I think he had his kids sleeping there, which I'm listen, I'm not here to shout out Sebastian for having to go back. I followed the Sebastian Telfair story, you know, since before through the fire. And I know Sebastian's story is a complicated one. And I do feel for Sebastian in a lot of ways. So I'm not here to shit on him.

[Rory]

I mean, no, I'm not here to definitely listen. Sebastian, he's a New York legend, you know, definitely one of my favorite players out of New York City ever. But I just find it hard to believe that he's back in the same projects he grew up in. I just don't think that. I think if you play, if we played 10 years in the league, 10 years in the NBA, $20 million contract, that's not a lot of money. But you know, especially, I mean, obviously.

[Mall]

$20 million is a lot of.

[Rory]

It's a lot. I'm saying if you have a certain lifestyle, it's not a lot of money in comparison to his peers in NBA. Like, it's not a lot. He didn't make, you know, 100 million is like the low ball now, like for a player to make in his career in the NBA.

[Mall]

Like, but then other people would look at that like, you know, people that make a hundred thousand and be like, yo, if somebody gave me $20 million, I'll make that last the rest of my life. Oh yeah, I'm kind of one of those people too. Like, if you gave me $20 million, I would probably.

[Rory]

Yeah, if somebody gave you 20 million.

[Mall]

I could finance that correctly. Yeah. But if you also saw with Sebastian taking care of his whole family and if you saw the through the fire doc and no circumstances he was in, run through it. Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

But I mean, I just know that, you know, just it looks, it reads better when you say Sebastian Telford moves back to the projects he grew up in versus Sebastian Telford now lives in a modern, you know, two family home in New Jersey. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it just, it's like, damn, he back in the projects. It's like, I mean, I'm sure he still has the keys to that apartment. I don't know if he lives there full time. I think he still has a house.

[Mall]

You should never give up a project apartment. But if you hit that lottery, you should keep it.

[Rory]

See what this is wrong with you Demon rats. That's how y' all think about a tax paying man has to pay for you to live. After you made $20 million in the NBA, I should still get taxed.

[Mall]

You Just said, that's not a lot of money when my Tommy's in there. $20 million makes you qualify for Section 8 in the new New York.

[Rory]

100%.

[Mall]

But, I mean, and condolences to Sebastian because his mother and his brother passed away, I think, within a few months of each other that had that apartment. And I'm. You know, people don't give up.

[Rory]

Yeah, no.

[Mall]

Like, you keep it up. How long that waiting list is.

[Rory]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Mall]

You think I'm giving this shit up?

[Rory]

Yeah. But, you know, hopefully Sebastian, you know, he's. He's. He's doing okay as best he can, taking care of himself. Like, he is currently incarcerated.

[Mall]

But I've liked Sebastian's Vlad interviews. I think him and Puff would be a wild podcast coming out of Ford Dix.

[Rory]

Yeah, I mean, they both got some stories, for sure.

[Mall]

Yeah. Was Puff. It was Jeter, Jay Z. I don't think Puff was ever through the fire, because everyone was going to see Sebastian play there.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mall]

I'm sure Puff was at one of them games. Yeah.

[Rory]

Sebastian in high school was. I mean, that was must. Must see tv. Like, you had a chance to go see him play, you know, in high school. Absolutely. Like, you went to go see. He was, you know, one of the top players in the nation. I mean, it's just unfortunate where his career landed at the end of it and things like that. But, you know, Sebastian is. He's a good guy. You know what I mean? Like, New York legend. Definitely rooting for him. And hopefully, you know, this story inspires others to take care of themselves financially. We do need financial literacy. A lot of us, you know, growing up in the areas that we grew up in, in the city, we're not taught. We taught how to make money. We're not taught how to keep money and how to invest money and things like that and create generational wealth. So hopefully this story shines some light on that. It's definitely tough to watch and see Sebastian going through that, but I think the purpose of it is to inspire others to not make the same mistakes and to educate themselves in certain areas and things like that so they don't have to face life after, you know, retirement and things like that. They can still live a certain lifestyle and take care of themselves and, you know, and. And find their other passions and things like that to. To continue to make a living and support their families.

[Mall]

Yeah. Before we get to voicemails, Damaris, what was. What was Syracuse like when Melo was there? Because I know he was there for his Every year.

[Rory]

He was everything.

[Mall]

I was actually gonna say more about the. The energy in the city, how exciting it was that they went to the national championship. And 1. I was getting more of that.

[Rory]

I'm just playing. I'm just. I'm just talking shit.

[Damaris]

Yeah. I remember my first time, like, meeting Melo, like, as a kid. I think I might have been in middle school.

[Mall]

Cause I was.

[Rory]

You met Melo when you was in Middle School?

[Mall]

Oh. 2. They went to the national champion. 3.

[Damaris]

So I might have been even younger. I might not have even gotten to middle school yet.

[Mall]

Cause I. Yeah, I was.

[Damaris]

Well, when I met him, I was in middle school, but Because I think he might have come back to visit. I don't know if he was playing. I can't remember, but who was the white point guard?

[Mall]

I used to love that guy. He made me feel seen.

[Damaris]

And then there was another one, green. What was his name?

[Mall]

There was the. The power forward of the center. Yeah, he was.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Didn't he go to League two? Didn't he go to Celtics or something like that?

[Damaris]

It was. To answer your question, the energy. I remember that's like a core memory of, like, being. Because my mother is a diehard Syracuse fan. Like, she's still a Syracuse fan, like, to this day. Like, watches all the games, even when they suck. Like she die hard sports fan. So when they were dominating, she was. It was. My house was like, insane. Like, it was. I remember that as a core memory. Like, being a kid, it was crazy.

[Rory]

I remember the first time I seen Melo play a Syracuse, play Seton Hall. And my boy was playing for Seton hall at the time. That nigga came down baseline, my nigga, he made a move. Jab step to the baseline, reverse pivot, spin back, fade away. I looked at my homie, I said, that nigga can go to the NBA tomorrow. He was a freshman. I was. Yo, he. I was like, yo, dog, that's the way what he was doing that year in Syracuse, I've seen a lot of, like, great college players. Like, damn. Like, KD. Another one seen him KD's freshman year. Seen him in Texas. I was like, damn. Like. But Melo in Syracuse. And then they went on to win it all. Like, he was special, man.

[Damaris]

So, okay, so another Sports for Dummies moment. What happened with Melo's career that he didn't become like, a kd?

[Mall]

I mean, Melo is a Hall of Famer, of course.

[Rory]

I mean, he never won a championship. I think with Melo, it was.

[Mall]

It was the team.

[Rory]

And I think he spoke about this. I think it was the fact that he, you know, he wasn't willing to adjust his game because he was always so used to being the guy. And it's like after a while, it's like, we don't need you to be the guy. We just need you to just do this when we need this. But we don't need you to do this for the entire period of the game. You might need to come off the bench and just give us some scoring. And a lot of the times, you know, he didn't want to do that. That's the ego thing. Cause when you're the man since.

[Mall]

I mean, what team, you're saying with the Knicks, he should have came off the bench or with the Nuggets.

[Rory]

I'm talking about. No, no, no, no. I'm talking about, like, when he went on to play with, like, OKC in Portland and, you know, which he did.

[Mall]

Come off the bench, I think.

[Rory]

Yeah, but he was fighting that for a while, and I think after a while, it was just like, you know, he didn't want to continue to chase that. And then his son is playing, and it was.

[Mall]

Son is nice.

[Rory]

Let me. Yeah, let me have more time and spend with my son instead of just being a journeyman at the end of my career and bouncing around the league and, you know, he's already a Hall of Famer. Obviously, he would have wanted to win a championship, but how much do you.

[Mall]

Think would have changed Melo's career had the Pistons drafted him instead of Darko Milichek?

[Rory]

How much would have changed?

[Mall]

Because that Pistons team, the fact that they had. I think the number two pick was insane because the Pistons were dominating around that time. I mean, if they picked, they picked up Mello in that era.

[Rory]

Yeah, he has a ring.

[Mall]

That was Chauncey Billis, Ben Wallace, that. That era.

[Rory]

Yeah, he has. He has a ring for sure.

[Mall]

I. I think. I think he becomes the face of the Pistons. I think it's like Isaiah Thomas and then Mellow. If it goes that way with that squad and Melo Carmelo's, that's a couple championships.

[Rory]

His. His. I don't want to pin them against each other, but you kind of have to like him and LeBron coming in together because they came in the same year. Right.

[Mall]

And it was. It was the first picks where Ron Darko, Mello, then D. Wade. Yeah.

[Rory]

I think. Because if you go back and look at Mellows, his rookie, Carmelo Anthony, should have been the rookie of the year.

[Mall]

He should have Been a rookie, I heard you saying.

[Rory]

But with LeBron coming in with all the hype, he lived up to it, even surpassed it on some levels. I just don't understand how you get Rookie of the Month every month, your rookie year, and don't win Rookie of the Year. Not only that. Not only that, your team gets into the playoffs. Yeah, the Cavs didn't get into the playoffs. LeBron's rookie year, they didn't make the playoffs.

[Mall]

And I think they got knocked out the first round. The Nuggets, right?

[Rory]

Yeah. But they got in.

[Mall]

No, I think that's incredible.

[Rory]

I'm Rookie of the Month every month. My team makes the playoffs, but I don't get Rookie of the Year.

[Mall]

I'd be tight.

[Rory]

Yeah, I always look at that like the NBA guy now. LeBron is LeBron. The NBA didn't get it wrong there. Like, everything that they built up, the Nike ads and all that coming in, they got it right. Yeah.

[Mall]

And he wasn't a bus, so.

[Rory]

No, no, no. At all. I'm just saying, if I win Rookie of the Month every month and get to the playoffs and y' all tell me I didn't win Rookie of the Year, I'm gonna have a chip on my shoulder the rest of my career in the NBA.

[Mall]

And we can close this because it's getting, like, too nerdy in a basketball. But I was, like, 12, 13 at that time. Why did Melo choose Syracuse? I mean, like, he was. He was at least the number two prospect in high school. Like, it's funny, even in that. Lenny Cook. Doc, when Lenny Cook is saying everybody is ass at one point, the only person he gives credit to, he's like, nah, mellow, nice. Like, he was one of those. Why? Why? Cuse. I don't remember. I was too young for that.

[Rory]

Syracuse was always a school that I think a lot of. A lot of players always. It was always Syracuse, unc, Duke. Like, those were the schools. If he was from the East Coast.

[Damaris]

Villanova.

[Rory]

Villanova. Like, those are the schools that you kind of was, like, always on your radar, no matter what.

[Mall]

Again, I was so young that that year was Q's. Was probably the first time in my memory that they were, like, obviously national champions, but, like, you would think Duke, unc, Villanova.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

But Q was never, like, in my head, like, that was the. The biggest school that the number two prospect would go to.

[Rory]

He talked about this, too. I think he just. He.

[Mall]

Here.

[Rory]

He wanted to go to North Carolina.

[Mall]

But he was gonna be on the bench. He wanted to go to unc.

[Rory]

But he was gonna be on the bench n in North Carolina.

[Mall]

Who was playing over him that might was Carlos Boozer. I don't give a at Duke.

[Rory]

Carmelo Anthony coming out of Oak Hill, he. I mean not that kid ain't coming off nobody bench, man. Cut the.

[Mall]

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[Rory]

Before we get into voicemails, Rory, I do want to send congrats to friend of the show, Jade Cargill. She is now the WWE Women's champion.

[Mall]

Yes. I mean, I, I thought, I thought they fleeced her when we went to. To MetLife, so I'm happy to see that.

[Rory]

Yeah, man, she. Don't worry. She doubled back. She got her as she should have.

[Mall]

Because I felt like that was unfair. Yeah, I didn't like none of that.

[Rory]

Come on, man. She had a, like a big cut on her forehead a couple weeks ago. But I like what she's doing with it now. Like, the scar. Like, she's using it as, like, part of her, like, makeup now. It's like a thunderbolt. Like, I'm like, okay, see, take.

[Mall]

Yeah, you mean Tamara's loves Harry Potter?

[Rory]

There you go, man. You take that, you turn that into part of the aesthetic. You make that part of it.

[Mall]

Gotta coordinate while we're on wrestling. I did see that clip that Westside Gunn was kicked out of wwe.

[Rory]

Well, not that he wasn't a wrestler. He kicked out of the event. Like, they didn't kick him out of the world wrestling like this.

[Mall]

He should be a wrestler, in my opinion.

[Rory]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mall]

But yeah, he was. He was kicked out of the event.

[Rory]

Um, and it's in the cease and desist. He is, man. Gunn has been using. I don't understand. Cause I gotta look more into this. I might call him. I really don't call guys and ask them too much about, you know, shit Going on like that. But I gotta call Gunn and figure out because how was he able all these years? All of his merch, everything has been directly aligned with, you know, legendary wrestling figures and things like that. Like, that's part of his brand. So why now would they send a cease and desist all these years later? Yeah, and not only that, kick him out of the event.

[Mall]

Which is crazy.

[Rory]

It's just like a weird. He did address it, though, right? Didn't he address it in one of his tweets?

[Mall]

I mean, well, that's a very, very long tweet. But to sum up, what he did say in this tweet, more or less, what he's done for wwe, as far as the crossover, it's him, Wale, Smoke, Dizza. Like, those guys have been prominent in having Hip Hop be involved in wrestling. Like, when we went to MetLife, that was a whole different look. Like, I've joked with west side before about this. Like, now everybody on wrestling, myself included, I was never, like, a wrestling fan, but when we went to that. That match, I was like, oh, shit, is fucking amazing. Yeah, this is great. He has brought so many people that were not wrestling fans into that world.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

So do I understand copyrights? Of course. But to me, this is another example of somebody stepping over a dollar to get a penny. Because I think they should be working with Westside Gun. I don't think they should be sending him C&DS. What he's done just on his own for that brand with a whole new audience should be admired if you are the CEO of that company.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

And again, I totally get. When you get down to the suits, this is making too much noise and too much money. We have to send a C and D. But to me, you should be reaching out to him of how can we work more together Instead of just free fucking tickets, he put the Million.

[Rory]

Dollar man billboard up. And I think right after that is when all this happened. But he does have his own company, 4th Rope. That's Guns Company. So I think he's probably just gonna focus on that, build that out more instead of still paying homage to WWE and the legends over there. Either way, I mean, I don't know. I mean, you know, business is business. And if anybody knows the WWE brand, very strict on what they do, who they let, you know in, who they let, license their stuff, use their likeness. So for years when Gunn was doing that, I always question, I'm like, how is he getting this off?

[Mall]

Like, I thought the same thing with the Hitler estate.

[Rory]

Touche. I Don't know who.

[Mall]

I'm trying not to joke anymore. I'm trying not to joke anymore. I don't know who would call, like.

[Rory]

Hey, you take that.

[Mall]

What's funny is we. Every family, we know who they're stayed. I've never heard of, like. Like, the Hitler estate. Like, who's running that?

[Rory]

Oh, you know who's running this. You know exactly who's running it. But we ain't going to go into that. That's for another. Another day.

[Mall]

But, yeah, I mean, for. For west side, I. I feel him. I'm not even on the. I get both sides because I. I think it's just stupid that they would do that to him. Not so much like a Charles Oakley getting kicked out of the garden type situation, but.

[Rory]

But close.

[Mall]

Yeah. Like, this person has done a lot of. For your brand. Hasn't exploited it like, you know, brought people like me and, like. All right, you know what? I. With this wrestling thing.

[Rory]

Yeah, let.

[Mall]

Let me figure it out. So, I mean, shout out. Shout out to west side.

[Rory]

Yeah, man, I think. I think that's on fourth rope. That's all. Yeah, we ain't got to worry about the wwe.

[Mall]

I think if. If W. D him, Action Bronson, a few other people put together, like, their version of, like, what Ice Cube does with Big three in wrestling. I think it's out of here.

[Rory]

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[Cliff]

Yo, it's your boy Cliff calling from East Texas, man. Shout out to y'. All. I' ma just jump straight to the situation at hand, man. So my wife has this homegirl, right? They've been best friends for years. They've been cool since the knee high. I'm not really. I'm. We're cordial. You know what I'm saying? Like, every time I see her, I'm like, salute.

[Rory]

Whatever. Blah, blah, blah.

[Cliff]

Anyway, ain't got nothing to do with nothing. So her homegirl went through her nigga's old phone. He got a new phone. She went to the old phone. Mistake number one. So she goes through the old phone, finds out that while he's out of town at work, he's been like, on all types of escort websites. I ain't never purchased pussy before. So this was really informing for me, because I didn't even know this was out here like that. Anyway, yeah, so he'd be up y' all way. He was buying in New Jersey, all that.

[Mall]

So which site?

[Cliff]

Anyway, bro, like, so now she's complaining to my wife about the situation that's at hand. But I know she knows we all know she ain't finna lead this man. And it's a really, like, a deeper situation at hand because this nigga's been a piece of shit and she should have been left to sing a long time ago, but she's just. I don't know. I can't call it, bro. But now I gotta hear my wife complain to me about her complaining to my wife about a situation that she's not gonna leave. How should I handle this, man?

[Mall]

I don't think there's really anything for you to handle in that situation, though, for him.

[Rory]

No.

[Mall]

Yeah, I mean, I would probably just. Just leave that one alone and just laugh at the updates like. Like, yo, what happened?

[Rory]

Is this. Just mind yours.

[Mall]

All right, here's the angle. If she's not going to leave him, is he cheating responsibly at least?

[Rory]

How do you.

[Mall]

I'm. I'm not condoning cheating. I'm not condoning. Well, I mean, shout out to all the sex workers. I'm not. I'm not mad at sex workers, but. But if he's a piece of shit and he's going to cheat and you're not going to leave him while he's on the road working, at least he's, like, just paying for sex and not like, cheating emotionally and bringing in a woman that's going to ruin your family.

[Rory]

Because he's paying just for an escort.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So he's keeping it transactional.

[Mall]

Yeah. Not condoning that when you're in a relationship. But if you're not gonna leave the guy and you know he's a piece of. I don't know. Do you look at it that way? Like he's gonna cheat. Thank God he's just purchasing an escort and then she's leaving the hotel instead of like, oh, you got. You got a girlfriend in Jersey? Like, to me, that's a. Even crazier. Like, you confine into somebody starting a new family like Baby D. How do you find as a woman if your.

[Rory]

Man is purchasing sex?

[Mall]

Leave them.

[Damaris]

What? I mean, like, I feel like he.

[Mall]

Was saying that she's not leaving, so that's why I went with that angle.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I. If she. Listen, it obviously don't bother that bad if she ain't leaving that much.

[Mall]

Well, how would you feel if you're. If your girl purchased dick?

[Rory]

Please, man, I would, I would, I would. I would. Finding out your girls purchasing sex. Yeah, that's. That's a rough one. I would need therapy for sure. I have to find that out. Definitely.

[Mall]

I don't think no man is equipped, even as someone that I feel like I'm. I'm healing and doing the work, no matter how good of a space I was in, that would shatter my world. 1 like, I would like, bro. No, I'd be close to, like, that would be. That'd be my 13th reason for sure, bro.

[Rory]

No man is equipped to handle that type of information.

[Mall]

Your girl buying.

[Rory]

Your girl buys male escorts. No man is equipped to. To handle that.

[Mall]

I mean, unless you puff, but.

[Rory]

Well, I mean, yeah, but you not. I don't. I don't think men are even designed. I don't think that's in our DNA to be able to even hear that type of information and, like, keep breathing. Like, y' all think we die if we hear that. I.

[Mall]

It would even. Not that the past matter or anything, but I'd feel more uncomfortable if I. If I knew my girl purchased dick or was ran through. Like, just give me the ran through, girl. He was out here buying dick.

[Rory]

Buying is crazy. Like you.

[Mall]

That would hurt me so much.

[Rory]

Your girl gotta pay for sex.

[Mall]

Like, go cheat on me like a regular person.

[Rory]

Go cheat on me like a respectable. A respectable woman. Let's just go to the club.

[Josh]

Go.

[Mall]

I got too drunk and.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mall]

He played for the Clippers. Like, do it. Do it honorably at least.

[Rory]

Yeah. Don't go buying no sex. What's wrong with you? Your girl spending the money, yo. Spending money. Your girl buying sex with your money. That is crazy.

[Mall]

Adding in that factor. Holy.

[Rory]

This is how they end up on first 48. I'm trying to tell you. Those are some of the stories of what happened. Yo, she was buying dick. She was buying.

[Mall]

That would be the one time in first 40. I'd be like, well, let's hear him out. Not saying it's right what he did.

[Rory]

But can we hear. I don't think murder one is what we're, like, looking at.

[Mall]

I don't think that that was an act of passion. That's manslaughter, too, for sure. Lock them up. But, like, come on.

[Rory]

But we're not gonna throw the book at him. No, we can't throw the book at him for that. That's a natural reaction. Absolutely.

[Mall]

Because let's get into her premeditated prostitution of buying dick. Yeah, but if I were you, sir, I would just stay out of that.

[Rory]

Stay out of that. Leave that alone.

[Mall]

Yeah. And every now and then, if you want a Good laugh when you had dinner with your girl. Be like, checking on it.

[Rory]

What's the latest?

[Mall]

What's up with that?

[Rory]

Yeah, what's the latest on that? But don't leave that alone, man.

[Josh]

That's.

[Mall]

We were talking about how amazing it is when you're in love to. All day on a rainy Sunday. The other great thing about being in love is getting all the mess in tea from your girl about her homegirls and their situations. Because even if they're a great, solid, loyal friend, they still gonna give you the. And laugh at their homegirl.

[Rory]

Yeah. 100.

[Mall]

They won't do it to their face, but they'll do it with me.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Oh, see, no, I'm. I'm. I'm different. Like, I'm in relationships. I've been in. I be like, yo, me and homie about to call you and give you some advice. Cause you sound crazy. Like, my friends have. All my friends know that they can talk to my previous men about, like, their relationships. Cause it's like, we. We not. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna say nothing to somebody that I wouldn't say to you. So if me and him laughing and giggling about it, we gonna call you on the three way and be like, yo, fuck is you doing, bro?

[Mall]

Like, what I do hate, though, which we've all been through. Like, when your girl's homegirl will ask you advice, and it's like, I don't want to speak unless I know you're actually leaving that guy. Because when we go on a double date and I'm gonna feel weird because I. I told you, like, all the red flags that are right in your face that you won't see. And now he's sitting here splitting mozzarella sticks. And. Yeah, it's always awkward. I learned that with. With age to just shut up when I leave it alone. Those questions, like, listen, that's your decision. Do you love him? Make it work or don't.

[Rory]

All right, we got another one. That was it. That was it. All right, Baby D. You made it.

[Damaris]

I made it through. Y' all fought.

[Rory]

Yo, your Pedialyte inside. You know, I mean, demons need love, too. I would never, never forget that.

[Mall]

I mean, I guess we give a little teaser.

[Damaris]

I'm.

[Mall]

I'm super excited for our next episode. We're about to interview De La Soul, which I think is incredible. Do we think Damaris with her hangover will stay for Dayla?

[Damaris]

Man, shout out to De and la. I'm the fuck out of here.

[Mall]

That's not Their. That's not their name. Like, how mom, like, why'd you leave Soul out?

[Damaris]

Like, hit me.

[Mall]

I'm.

[Damaris]

I gotta go. I barely. I almost called out today.

[Rory]

All right, well, to y', all, Soul.

[Mall]

If you would have called out, the optics of that would have looked so.

[Damaris]

That's the only reason why I'm here, Damaris.

[Mall]

I would have taken all these mics and went to your crib to record you not showing up today would have just been a nail in the fucking coffin.

[Rory]

Yo, down, man. All right, well, we made it through.

[Mall]

So if you didn't show up, just me and Peach on. On camera with Josh on the boards.

[Damaris]

Damn, Ma. We should have did that for funsies. Yeah.

[Rory]

All right, well, we'll talk to y' all soon. Be safe, be blessed. I'm. That he's just Ginger. Peace. You know what? A girl's best friend is not diamonds.

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