Episode 435 | Plus Dome, Say Word

Summary

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Podcast Summary: New Rory & Mal — Episode 435 | Plus Dome, Say Word

Date: December 19, 2025
Hosts: Rory & Mal, with Damaris
Podcast: New Rory & Mal (iHeartPodcasts & The Volume)

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into a mix of hilarious storytelling, sharp pop culture commentary, NBA hot takes, relationship debates, and reflections on personal growth. Rory, Mal, and Damaris riff on internet drama, the value of pettiness in rap, NBA Cup celebrations, relationship "rules," and the blurred line between internet persona and real life. Throughout, they balance signature humor with genuine insights and vulnerable moments.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Podcast/Netflix Deal Rumors & Business Moves

• New Netflix Deal: Rory and Mal confirm their podcast’s upcoming move to Netflix, debunking fan speculation about contracts, IP, and creative control.
  • "We dealt directly with Netflix. We had the decision whether we want to do it or not. We negotiated. It's our deal." – Rory [05:35]
• Owning IP: They reiterate they remain in control of their intellectual property.
• Industry Landscape: Commentary on the “streaming wars”—Paramount, Warner, Disney, and more fighting for content creators [06:34].

2. NBA Cup & Knicks Celebration

• Knicks NBA Cup Win: The crew jokes about the Knicks' "championship parade," with secondhand embarrassment for overly celebratory fans.
  • "Of course this would be the thing. The Knicks win the dumbest fucking thing ever." – Rory [07:55]
• Cup Format: Mal defends the NBA Cup, seeing value in mid-season competition and opportunities for lesser-known players [08:04].
• Saudi Influence in Sports: Brief discussion of Middle Eastern money increasingly influencing US sports [09:24].

3. Wale, Kai Cenat, & Internet Ego

• Wale’s Vulnerability: Debating Wale’s admission he was deeply affected ("in bed 5 days") after streamer Kai Cenat didn’t recognize him.
  • Mal argues it’s an ego thing; Rory offers empathy:
    "I think it's just... I've given 13 years of my life to this shit. I'm around my peers, and now the Internet is making me out to be this type of way, and it makes me feel bad." – Rory [19:47]
• Internet Power: Damaris and Rory unpack how online commentary can genuinely hurt artists, while Mal suggests giving less power to the Internet [22:20], before agreeing that vulnerability deserves respect [22:35].

4. Petty Rap: Drake, Ebro, and “Die Slower”

• Drake vs. Ebro: Extensive debate over Drake’s DM to Ebro ("die slower, pussy") in the wake of ongoing media criticism.
  • Mal sees this as justified pettiness; Damaris points out that words have power and critiques the escalation of online threats.
  • "Words do mean things... words have meaning and words have power." – Damaris [29:06]
• Hypocrisy Questioned: Rory notes the inconsistency in critiquing Wale for being sensitive while excusing Drake for reacting similarly to public slights [24:46].

5. Relationships, Lies, and Vacation Myths

• Date Rules & Romantic Lies: The group runs through stereotypes about dates, lying on vacations, and the meaning behind affectionate pet-names, playfully exposing their own boundaries and contradictions.
  • "You gotta lie on vacation, baby." – Maul [57:04]
• Toxic Arguments: Stories about over-the-top romantic fights and make-ups, including listening back to breakup calls to “improve” argument skills (Damaris admits to screen-sharing her argument tapes for feedback) [67:21].

6. Rap’s Pettiest (50 Cent, Mayno, Jim Jones)

• 50 Cent’s Business Tactics: Recounting 50 Cent’s ongoing beefs and how his pettiness has affected industry peers. Commentary on whether beefing with 50 is ever “worth it” for clout or clicks.
  • "Nobody can out Petty 50." – Mal [61:18]
• Business Consequences: Discussing the possible real-world fallout when pettiness affects leases, studios, or business operations [63:06].

7. ASAP Rocky’s New Project

• Creative Freedom & Motivation: Speculation on why Rocky would return to music when married to a billionaire mogul (Rihanna) and raising a family.
  • Rory: "I did it from a place where this is not my livelihood... that's the perfect time to create." [71:03]
• Passion Projects: Each host shares what their passion project would be if money were no object—community centers, culinary arts, gardening, and giving back [73:34–75:10].

8. Music Recommendations: "Put Me On" Segment

• Rory: Jesse Reyez – Paid in Memories
  • "One of the greatest R&B albums this year – and I don't think it got the attention it should have." [83:46]
• Maul: Chris Patrick (East Orange, NJ) – Pray for Me
  • "Somebody I think I'm gonna watch out for, pay attention to his trajectory." [84:55]
• Damaris: Ken the Man – Kind of Famous (Deluxe)
  • "Her and Mona Leo... They don't make pussy rap. They just make 'fuck that nigga' music." [86:18]

9. Voicemail & Audience Q&A

• Audience asks: Is it ever too late to check someone for old disrespect?
  • Maul: "It ain't never too late to check nobody..." [89:09]
  • Rory tries to see both sides—sometimes there's nothing to gain from reopening old wounds [90:13].
• Group discusses partner loyalty, snitching, and what to do if you see a friend’s partner acting shady.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Netflix Deal Speculation:
  • "We dealt directly with Netflix. We had the decision whether we want to do it or not. We negotiated. It's our deal." – Rory [05:35]
• On the NBA Cup Celebration:
  • "Of course, this would be the thing. The Knicks win the dumbest fucking thing ever." – Rory [07:55]
• On Words Having Power:
  • "Words do mean things... words have meaning and words have power." – Damaris [29:06]
• On Relationship Lies:
  • "You gotta lie on vacation, baby." – Maul [57:04]
• On 50 Cent’s Pettiness:
  • "Nobody can out Petty 50... He's the pettiest man of all time." – Maul [61:18]
• On Passion Projects:
  • "I'd just go full chef... cooking and flowers." – Rory [74:47]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Netflix Deal Clarification: 05:02 – 06:34
• NBA Cup & Knicks Talk: 06:43 – 08:56
• On Wale & Kai Cenat: 16:58 – 22:35
• Drake DM Controversy & Petty Rap: 22:46 – 32:00
• Relationship Lies & Vacation Stories: 55:23 – 59:59
• 50 Cent vs Mayno/Jim Jones Beef: 61:11 – 65:22
• ASAP Rocky’s New Album: 69:38 – 74:10
• Put Me On Segment (Music Recs): 83:07 – 87:32
• Voicemail: Checking Old Disrespect: 87:40 – 93:49

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Tone and Style

The episode was quintessential Rory & Mal—irreverent, raw, and hilarious, but also insightful and at times vulnerable. Their easy chemistry and willingness to poke fun at themselves, celebrities, and each other generated both laughs and genuine discussion. Damaris added both sharp perspectives and comic relief.

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This episode is a perfect snapshot of what makes New Rory & Mal compelling: a seamless blend of barbershop banter, pop culture analysis, and introspective moments—all with an East Coast sensibility that keeps it real and relatable.

Transcript

[Damaris]

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[Maul]

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[Rory]

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[Maul]

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[Damaris]

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[Rory]

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[Maul]

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[Rory]

We're starting. That's it. Boss says he doesn't go on dates.

[Maul]

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[Rory]

So. So every girl just be to come to the crib.

[Maul]

No, I just don't go on dates. Dates are when you're pursuing somebody romantically and once.

[Rory]

Once you're on Netflix, you can really Netflix and chill.

[Maul]

It is different when, like, we laid up and I could. Like, I could. I'm on Netflix. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? I ain't got to say nothing no more.

[Damaris]

Ew.

[Maul]

The bag is a.

[Rory]

You know how nasty it would be if you lay with a girl and put yourself on?

[Maul]

But not. No, not on. Just like, scrolling to see something to watch.

[Rory]

You want to watch yourself while you. It's a different level of thing.

[Maul]

I tell you all the time. I don't watch. I have not watched a single episode.

[Damaris]

Of our I am Nothing surprises. I am not surprised.

[Maul]

I'm like Leonardo DiCaprio. Leonardo DiCaprio said he's never seen Titanic.

[Rory]

Didn't he go to the premiere?

[Maul]

I keep telling you, me and Leo are like. More like.

[Rory]

Yeah, actually, now I think about it.

[Maul]

Yeah, he don't go on dates either.

[Rory]

Unless they're 21.

[Maul]

Well, I'm not. That's part of the.

[Rory]

You guys around the same age, too? Yeah, no, actually, more and more is making sense now that I think about it.

[Maul]

I don't know what bag he in on that one, but. But, yeah, I don't watch my work. You know what I'm saying? I don't do that.

[Rory]

Yeah, well, while we're here, we will officially be on Netflix come January. We'll have more information about that after holidays.

[Maul]

But they said we only had six months, Rory. They told us we only had six months. 10 times 60 months in, bro. Come on, man. We 60 months in, baby.

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[Damaris]

That type of time. Today I'll see what type of episode.

[Rory]

This would be for sure.

[Maul]

I'm just. I'm talking my.

[Rory]

Yeah, we'll have some more information on exactly when that will be starting once, you know, we come back January 5th.

[Maul]

All those that said we wouldn't be here. Die slower. Jesus.

[Rory]

You be. You the one that actually be writing from Drake's account.

[Maul]

Yeah, I dm.

[Rory]

I dmd.

[Maul]

Let me. Let me sit. Let me send this one.

[Rory]

I did see a lot of the business side of. Of Twitter podcast business side of Twitter, which I don't mind because I. I'm a nerd when it comes to behind the scenes business stuff too. So I'm never mad when the listeners speculate with all that, but I. I've never heard more people wrong and strong and loud about what our Netflix deal is.

[Damaris]

What they were saying.

[Rory]

I heart made the decision. We didn't even know.

[Maul]

Huh.

[Rory]

They said that we had no choice. I heart just put us there.

[Maul]

Oh, y' all be. Y' all be on that part of Twitter.

[Damaris]

We don't.

[Maul]

Yeah, I don't go that far.

[Rory]

We dealt directly with Netflix. We had the decision whether we want to do it or not. We negotiated. It's. It's our deal, you know, shout out to. Shout out to volume, shout out to their partnership with Iheart, shout out to everyone. But nah, that's our deal.

[Damaris]

And you still own your ip, right? Yeah.

[Maul]

Yes, absolutely.

[Rory]

There's never been a time.

[Maul]

It's never been the time I did.

[Rory]

Well, no, I mean, when the Saudis buy Netflix America's ip, y' all gonna.

[Maul]

Get out and kiss the wall. We may have to kiss the wall at that point.

[Rory]

Oh, no, we definitely doing the hands thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Maul]

You have to kiss the wall at that point. We have to go for that Saudi bag. I kiss the wall. I'm letting you niggas know I'm kissing the wall. All my niggas uptown, I'm kissing the wall for that bag.

[Rory]

Pre production, real time. That should be our teaser in January for our Netflix announcement. We should go to Netflix office and just do the hand thing.

[Maul]

Yeah, just kiss the wall. Just gotta kiss the wall.

[Rory]

Sold our souls, man.

[Maul]

Yeah, that's it.

[Rory]

Listen, it's in 4k at least, right?

[Maul]

Absolutely. But we are excited to be a part of the Netflix family. Congrats to everybody else.

[Rory]

Yeah, shout out to everyone else that is making the leap as well. These. These wars are getting. Getting kind of crazy.

[Maul]

Yeah, man.

[Rory]

Paramount, Warner Brothers, Disney, hbo. It's getting. It's getting nuts.

[Maul]

Listen, man, so gotta prepare yourselves. It's a war going on outside.

[Rory]

Prayers for everyone involved.

[Maul]

Brothers ain't safe from.

[Rory]

Listen, man, I do want to wrap this episode up pretty quickly because I do want to go to the Knicks championship parade today. We finally got a ring, man.

[Maul]

You know you didn't get a ring. You Got a. You got a medal. They put a medal around everybody's neck and they get a trophy. They get the cup. They get the trophy. But shout out to the Knicks on winning the NBA Cup. It's just something to celebrate. As a New York Knick fan, I'm not here to step on your celebration, man.

[Damaris]

Is this a new award? I've never heard of the cup before.

[Maul]

This is three. Three or four years in three years. In just third year.

[Rory]

I think they're at the White House today. Then they go to Disney World.

[Maul]

I leaf in the middle of the season.

[Rory]

Yo, this might have been. I actually went out to watch the game and surrounded by a bunch of Knicks fans. We were so happy that they won. But once the confetti started to drop, the mood in the bar changed a bit. Like, this feels nasty. And then when they handed Cat the trophy, I was like, please don't hold it up. Please don't hold it up. And he went like this.

[Maul]

Yes.

[Rory]

And I'm like, it's the middle of the season. Yes.

[Maul]

Yeah, but you got to applaud it, man. You got to say, you know, is so stupid.

[Rory]

Of course. This would be the thing. The Knicks win the dumbest fucking thing ever. I don't care if it keeps things competitive.

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This.

[Rory]

I hate this shit. I get it. They gotta revamp it. I get it.

[Maul]

But I don't hate it. I like it for a number of reasons. It kind of. It brings some excitement to the middle of the season. You know, the teams are actually. They were playing. It was a great game. It was a great, great game. Prayers to Wemby. He found out that his grandmother passed right before the game. I read that. So. Prayers to Wemby and his family. That's gotta be tough to. To receive that news and then try to go out and play. But I like the Cup. I was against it probably the first year. I didn't really understand it. But I do like the fact that it gives the players something to play for in the middle of the season. The competitive level seems to kind of get more intense. In the NBA cup tournament, you got a lot of guys that are on minimum guarantees. Two way players that. What's the kid from the Knicks, the guard he picked? If he didn't play as well as he did, I don't know if the Knicks win that game.

[Rory]

Threes that changed up.

[Maul]

And that money from the cup, I mean, that's, you know, that's his contract for the years. Yeah, I mean, you know, you get guys like that that get an Opportunity to play for something. And I think that's what makes it so competitive. It makes it cool. It gives it a little spin. I will say back to the whole Saudi thing. We are seeing this thing where emirates and all they creeping into American sports and things like that. Golf. So, I mean, you know, they got the money. They're obviously paying the NBA for their partnership and things like that.

[Rory]

NFL soon. Raiders are for sale every year.

[Maul]

Yeah. I mean, so, you know, I see what's going on as far as the business is concerned, But I'm not mad at it because I do feel like it did add something in the season, you know, before you get to the playoffs, for teams to kind of get a little more competitive and play for a common goal. So congrats to the Knicks.

[Rory]

Can you imagine Jeremy Lin in the cup era? He kind of created it on the low mid season. Linsanity was like the cup like, it changed New York for regular season games.

[Maul]

Nah, that was just Knicks fans once again just looking for anything to cheer for. A guy plays good for 12 games and y' all just going, we're going all the way this year. This is it. He's better than Earl of pearl. He's better than Walt. I'm just like, what? 12 games, like, what?

[Rory]

I compared him to Isaiah Thomas, but.

[Maul]

I'm like, that was just me, you know? But Jeremy Lin was a good player, though. I did enjoy watching him play, though.

[Rory]

He had the Knicks. He still did good.

[Maul]

He brought some excitement to. To the. To the dog, to the city. Yeah. So I. I respect that.

[Rory]

I know he's tight now that there was no cut money at that point. He was literally living on someone's couch.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Rory]

During that entire time.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But at least the Knicks. It did. I had secondhand embarrassment with the. The celebration. But at least they have the integrity not to hang the banner up in the garden.

[Maul]

Oh, God. I'm so glad they decided first team.

[Rory]

Not to do it.

[Maul]

I'm so glad they decided not to do that. Have some respect for yourself.

[Rory]

You wouldn't have went to the ceremony.

[Maul]

No. Are you kidding me? You can't raise a NBA cup banner. Not in the garden. You can't do that.

[Rory]

I don't think. Especially because of the garden.

[Maul]

But we gonna put that next to next. Next to. What's the names next to.

[Rory]

Next to Greg's Stanley cup.

[Maul]

Billy Joe. How many nights he sold out in the garden. Put that next to Billy Joe's banner. Like, come on, man.

[Rory]

Yeah, but I. I get it. But I even thought when When HOV raised the banner for selling out the first show at the Barclays, I was like, what do we.

[Damaris]

Now?

[Rory]

We just making up banners.

[Maul]

Listen, man, you got to put something up there. It's been a while for the Knicks.

[Rory]

They put up Hove. Hove. Three shows sold out. And then. Then just like. It was just a photo of Big. There was no. I agree.

[Maul]

Deservedly so.

[Rory]

I went to the first Barclays show ever with Jay Z, and he started the show with Juicy, which I thought was important.

[Maul]

Like, absolutely.

[Rory]

I'm not doing my song. The first song ever played here will be Juicy, which I appreciate. It's just funny just to see Big. Like, it's just Big and the Raptors, like, makes sense.

[Maul]

I love it.

[Rory]

Next to Jason Kidd. Retired.

[Maul]

Absolutely. Jason Kidd is up there. Big Christopher Wallace. Fuck that.

[Rory]

How was. How was everyone's week so far?

[Maul]

Good, man. Good week. Productive. I did leg day last night. I can't feel my legs. They feel like I could take them off and put them in the. In the closet back there, but I'm good, man.

[Rory]

Yeah. I see you and Peach were sharing vibrators. I thought that was, like, a nice moment. Come on.

[Maul]

You wanna see my vibrators? Come on, man.

[Rory]

You can't even handle the top mode, though.

[Maul]

No, I can sniff it. Sniff it.

[Rory]

Tamara said that there's rose mode on there that you can't handle.

[Maul]

Look at that. See where when you start at that speed right there, slow like that. Oh, man, they never leave. That's when you get. Don't look at me when you say toothbrushing your bathro. Baby, baby. And it curves body wash in your shower. Oh, God. Thank you, Pe. This is a. I'm sorry. Can you hear this in the mic? Peach, please stop. This is so great, bro. You gotta try this.

[Rory]

I was. I was driving here yesterday, and I was. I was being. I was being a dick behind the wheel. I can't lie. I'm. I'm a great person deep down. But on the surface level, I can be an. So I was clearly intentionally cutting someone off so I could make the light. And then the red light hit, and it was. Then we were just living in this existence, both of us at the intersection. And it was like one of those, like, Con Ed type trucks.

[Maul]

And you would have lost.

[Rory]

I was sitting there, like, trying to, like, avoid any eye contact because I knew I was wrong. There was no changing this entire thing.

[Maul]

Are you one of those? And you cut somebody if you look straight ahead?

[Rory]

I don't usually do that.

[Maul]

You roll a window down like, what happened?

[Rory]

So I can, you know, you can even hear someone through the window. Through your window. So I look, and it was definitely. I mean, I'm just gonna be truthful. Stereotype of the Con Edison Spanish guy from the Bronx, for sure.

[Maul]

Oh, come on.

[Rory]

I mean, listen, man, they can hook your electricity up right away. So he's yelling. I'm like, all right, let me get my talking to. Cause I'm an asshole. Put the window down. He said, I was about to curse you the fuck out, Rory, but now I need to know who's gonna be on the Hot 97 Morning Show. Are you serious? I was so scared.

[Maul]

I told him, only in New York. I told him, only in New York City will that happen.

[Rory]

I was gonna curse you out, but.

[Maul]

Now I wanna know. That's such a New York City story. Con Edison driver was about to curse you out, but he recognized you.

[Rory]

Yeah. And then. All right, so that was yesterday on my way here. Then we left, went to go pick Amara up, and I was starving, so I went to the deli across the street from Kia's crib. And you know, there's people outside that hold the door or whatever. And the kid was like 17. And he just asked for food. He didn't ask for like, money. I was like, okay, yeah, come on, what you want? So we get to the. To the counter, I order my sandwich. I'm like, yeah, whatever he wants. He starts breaking down a cheesesteak sandwich. Like we were at a Michelin star restaurant of medium rare, don't cut it how he wanted. The cheese melted. What type of bread? Then he got mozzarella sticks, and then he got an omelet with onions and peppers. At one point I was like, my man.

[Maul]

No, that's. That's breakfast, lunch and dinner right there.

[Rory]

That wasn't the craziest part. While they were making it, I thought he was going back outside to open the door for people to try to get money when walked outside. So I grabbed his food, paid for it, go to the door, nowhere to be found.

[Maul]

Wait, you had his food and he just left?

[Rory]

He just left. I don't think he was all there, but now I'm just sitting here with a cheesesteak, mozzarella sticks, and an omelet that I thought I bought for a homeless 17 year old. Wait, Kia's like, why is it? Cause I don't eat eggs. She's like, why is there an omelet here? I was like, you're not even gon me.

[Maul]

He was like, he changed his mind, he want to say. He's like, nah, yo.

[Rory]

I tried to memorize his cheesesteak order because that cheese steak hit like he knew how to order a proper cheese.

[Maul]

Is he somebody that you see in front of us?

[Rory]

No. That's why I was. I was kind of confused because I go to that deli every single day. I. I kind of know the rotation of unhoused people.

[Maul]

How do you know you really saw somebody? Is this a real person?

[Rory]

Oh, never thought of it that way.

[Maul]

Might. Might have been a time traveler.

[Rory]

What if I go there today and he's like, yo, where's my food at?

[Maul]

He might be there. He might have been there. No, but.

[Rory]

All right, if he's there and he asks for food, do I do it again?

[Maul]

Oh, hell no.

[Rory]

I feel like. I mean, I kind of felt like he over ordered anyways.

[Maul]

Yeah, no, he.

[Rory]

And what weird me.

[Maul]

Like I said, he misses opportunity.

[Rory]

Such an interesting combination of foods in one thing, but, yeah, that's how yesterday went for me.

[Maul]

Well, you had a good. You had a productive week.

[Rory]

I was with the people.

[Maul]

Yeah, that's true.

[Rory]

I was with the New Yorkers.

[Maul]

Listen, you got to just be a man of the people. How you feeling, baby D?

[Damaris]

I feel good. My brain is off. I'm ready for this year to be over.

[Maul]

Your brain is off?

[Damaris]

It's off. I forgot I had to work today.

[Maul]

Why is your brain off?

[Damaris]

I don't know. It's just like the end of the year, it's just kind of like. Like, I'm just.

[Maul]

You gotta run through the finish line, though, baby. You pull up.

[Damaris]

You know how. Like, when you. When they start running and they. They start looking back like, that's.

[Maul]

You can't do that. See? See, that's how a run right past you. Now you got bronze. It was the only way to go. Now you bronze?

[Rory]

Nah. Damaris is. Is the 8pm Marathon. Enders, they just get the. The sun's down. People trying to clean up and leave.

[Damaris]

Y' all lucky I made it through this. Like, I'm tired.

[Rory]

Like, the first place person already done.

[Maul]

You in Staten Island. Like, what's going on?

[Damaris]

I don't know. This. I'm just drinking.

[Maul]

Is it like a mentally drained thing?

[Damaris]

Yeah, I'm drained. I'm just tired. This. What between this weather, just the end of the year, I'm talking to you niggas.

[Rory]

I just.

[Damaris]

I want to go to sleep. I don't know.

[Maul]

Okay.

[Damaris]

Tired.

[Maul]

I don't know.

[Damaris]

I just. I don't know.

[Rory]

Kai Sinat didn't recognize you.

[Damaris]

Kaisana has no, not one fifth of a who I am.

[Rory]

Did Wale really say that or you were?

[Damaris]

Yes, I didn't make that.

[Rory]

But like, was he joking when he said it? No, he said he went to therapy.

[Damaris]

Because he didn't say he went to therapy. He told Shannon Sharp that he was. He was in bed for like five days because Kai Sinat didn't recognize him.

[Rory]

I think Wally was.

[Maul]

Wait, what?

[Rory]

I think he was showing a little bit there.

[Damaris]

Okay, well let's pull up the clip.

[Maul]

And let's see if ain't no way Wale was serious about that while he just talking, man. Being in bed for five days because Kot doesn't recognize you.

[Rory]

That's like you, you don't even let someone lay in bed for a day after a 10 year breakup, let alone.

[Maul]

The kit 5 days. Cuz k not didn't recognize you?

[Rory]

No, it's kind of. Well, I mean, listen man, he's an important figure.

[Maul]

Yeah, but come on. I don't believe. I think while they just talking, even then you go to the awards to just support the, the culture that you've been a part of for 13 years and then somebody who asked you to play like, ask you. Yeah, yeah, let's play one day like. Cause you saw them last year and then you go online and everybody's like, yo, Kai's not. He didn't know who you was. That was funny. And you in a room full of your peers, right? And I was like, wait, let me go holler at him real quick. And through my vantage point, I'm just like, yo, that look, I mean that made me look crazy, bro. Like, but I think the way that people saw it is like, yo.

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Like.

[Maul]

You 20 year old, like, you feel me? Like that's what they acting like I did. And I'm like, yo, I'm just saying you make me look crazy. Like I don't. I feel like uncomfortable in this room. But like I'm like at that moment I'm like, damn, everybody making me the bid on the Internet.

[Damaris]

Just.

[Maul]

Cause I was like, you know, like just because he didn't. I was just confused. And then when they said I pressed him, I was like, oh, oh, so that means I gotta leave. Like I gotta go. I gotta go to my hotel for like a couple days. Like, it was just, it was like, not that I was upset for like five days in a row.

[Rory]

Yeah, man, I don't think he was really.

[Maul]

Yeah, nah, Wale wasn't really.

[Rory]

I mean, we know Wally's admittedly takes things personal, which is fine, you're an artist. But what you think that says, I was in bed for five days, depressed, and.

[Damaris]

No, I'm not saying that. But Wale is telling y' all how he feel. They do this all the time. Somebody will say exactly how they feel and what they did. And Roy and Ma be like, now, I don't think he meant it like that. He just said exactly what he said.

[Rory]

Because I tell how people podcast.

[Maul]

Yeah, but people embellish it. Yeah, like, he's sitting there with Shannon. He just embellishing.

[Rory]

He was making a real point of, like, why he felt upset about the entire thing. But.

[Maul]

But we can speak to if he actually did that while he's fucking crazy. You get what you mean if you're.

[Rory]

Viewing it less about Kai and more about. I've given 13 years of my life to this shit. I'm around my peers, and now the Internet is making me out to be this type of way, and it makes me feel bad. It's not, Kai didn't recognize me. So I'm in bed. It's, oh, I'm getting played out in the industry I've given so much to. And now the Internet thinks I'm. I'm nuts or I'm the angry guy or I'm weird. Like, yeah, that's. That. It's not.

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[Rory]

Kai didn't recognize me.

[Maul]

But why does Wale do that, though? Like, why. Why does. Why does Wale seem to take things so personal?

[Rory]

We've had this conversation for 10 years, and, I mean, he's told you who he is.

[Maul]

Because I wouldn't give. I could care less if Kasa not knew who I was. If I said, what's up to him, like, it wouldn't affect me none. Like, I don't. Like, that's like an ego thing.

[Rory]

The concourse in you wouldn't just. I'm just gonna feel some type of way, like, Bronx sticks together.

[Maul]

It's dudes that I grew up with. I see them now, they don't even recognize. You think I feel away, but it's just. I don't know. I just don't. I just don't put much into that. Somebody don't recognize me.

[Rory]

I don't think it was they recognized specifically with Kai. I think it's what it represents and how the Internet took it.

[Maul]

What does it represent?

[Rory]

Of putting in a lot of what Wiley has. Has expressed before, of the talent level he has, the work he's put in, the records that he has and still Everybody still doesn't get the same recognition that, say, someone he deems a little less talented and has put in less work than him gets all this recognition. Like, that's what he's. He's talked about for years, which I. I've always agreed with him on that. And I think he has every right to feel some type of way about it. I think it's just.

[Maul]

I'm on the other side.

[Rory]

Add in on that.

[Maul]

I'm on the other side of that. Okay. I just think that is. That's just. That's ego thing. When you start saying somebody should recognize me, like, that's an ego thing.

[Rory]

I don't. I. But I don't think that's what he was saying either.

[Damaris]

I just.

[Maul]

That's what you just said, that he put in all his work and that if somebody doesn't recognize him, then he.

[Rory]

That he is made out on the Internet to look like a crazy person.

[Maul]

I don't think Wale is crazy. I think he's crazy for feeling the way of Kai not recognizing him. I don't think Wale is crazy. I think him feeling a way that Kai Sanat didn't recognize him.

[Rory]

The Internet tried to. When he went up and approached Kai afterwards, I think was a bad move in how it looked. Just how it looked. The Internet to what he's saying made it look like he was the old guy trying to kick the young guy down. Like, trying to press him. Right, right, right. Like, yo, you didn't know the fuck. Like. And while it wasn't that, that's what they made Wale look. Look like.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

When the Internet's beating you down about some, it could probably cause you to just want to stay in your hotel and turn your phone off. I can see that.

[Maul]

Y' all give too much power to people on the Internet.

[Rory]

All right. No, I mean, I couldn't agree more.

[Maul]

But y' all give way too much.

[Rory]

But you can't get mad at Wally, who's openly admitted this is how I feel. And these types of things affect me. He's honest about it. It's not like he's the one that's sitting here saying, I don't give a fuck, but meanwhile having mental breakdowns. Yeah, those people are the worst. While they saying, I'm sensitive, this shit bothers me. I can appreciate that.

[Maul]

I respect it. So, you know, shout out to Wale. Put out shit. One of my favorite rap albums of the year.

[Rory]

Absolutely.

[Maul]

But, yeah, man. Kai, please say hello to Wale next time you see him. So he doesn't spend another five days in the hotel.

[Rory]

I don't. If Drake DM me die slowly. I mean, I wouldn't get depressed, but I'd. You know, I'd lock my doors.

[Maul]

You would lock your doors? Like, you would go downstairs and check to see if the door was locked, why he wasn't locked.

[Rory]

See if Iceman was outside. What's up with your man?

[Maul]

Defend it. I like it.

[Rory]

Die slower. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Maul]

All you that was talking all year, clapping for that rhetoric that they was pushing about me.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Maul]

Die slow. I want to see all you fail.

[Rory]

But what does that. What does that mean?

[Maul]

It means die slow. I hope your next show don't work out either. That's what he don't. Drake is not hoping that Ebro is put into the ground next.

[Damaris]

How you know that?

[Maul]

He's not. He's not that type of person. But he's saying die slow. Like, yo, yeah, your career.

[Rory]

Career wise. But we got some shit for you one could take as a threat and maybe, yeah, pursue a lawsuit.

[Maul]

Hey, Rosenberg. I didn't like that. I didn't like Rosenberg pumping that I would take that as a threat. You should sue. Like, come on, man, with the bullshit.

[Rory]

No, he. He was.

[Maul]

I didn't like that. I didn't like that. And I fuck with Pete, but I.

[Rory]

Didn'T like that Pete was making a joke based off the lawsuit. That Drake.

[Maul]

No, I get it.

[Rory]

He's saying he. Bridges. I mean, suing's okay, so.

[Maul]

Yeah, but this. It was. It was that coming out of that.

[Rory]

Did you sue someone for saying, we got some shit for you?

[Maul]

Well, the way you could probably get like a. He was saying it like, yo, it's a threat.

[Rory]

Oh, someone could. If you wanted.

[Maul]

Yeah, if you wanted to. That's why I didn't like doing that. I was like, come on, man. You know, that's not. Drake is not gonna do anything to eat, bro.

[Rory]

No, of course not, but that's why you shouldn't say we got some shit for you unless you can do it.

[Maul]

Yeah, but we got some shit for you can be a bunch of things. It could be. I got you. I got a. I got you in a song. Got some bars about you in a song. I got some, you know, some. Some info that I heard about you from some women that you may have dated before. It could be a lot of things. It don't mean that I'm gonna show up to your house with the Owls and fucking and bring bodily harm to you.

[Rory]

Like, it don't mean that bring the potters.

[Maul]

Yeah, it don't mean that. It just means we got some shit for you.

[Rory]

Do you think this is a bit hypocritical of what you just said about Wale? Why should Drake give so much power to these people on the Internet discussing him?

[Maul]

No, he's just. He's not.

[Rory]

To the point that you say, die slower. We got something for you in the DMs, and you're worth a billion dollars in the biggest artist. Second biggest artist in the world to me. That's. He's letting people on the Internet get. Get to him. No, if he didn't care, he wouldn't.

[Maul]

No, no, no. This is somebody. Somebody that Diesel. This is somebody that was the program director of a radio station in New York City.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Maul]

That was pushing.

[Rory]

Oh, he's been saying for over a decade.

[Maul]

Yeah. But they've been pushing the rhetoric about him based on a song that came out last year. Ebro has been very vocal about that. He said a lot of things about Drake over the past year. I mean, we can go down a clip of things that Ebro said about Drake as well.

[Rory]

Listen, I don't watch every single Ebro show to know every bad thing he said about Drake. But I also think the level that Drake is at can go to your point of what you made with Wale. It's people on the Internet. There's no power. Even when Flex was trying to beef with Drake and Drake was on stage at the garden saying, fuck hot 97, they were playing Drake, you know, 50 times a day. It didn't affect his. His. It's not like he got blackballed from Hot 97. It's not like they stopped playing his music, which affects your livelihood.

[Maul]

You know what you.

[Rory]

They were beefing with. With Drake. Flex was beefing with Drake and had to play 10 Drake songs in a set. Like.

[Maul]

Yeah, but you. But here's the thing, Rory, because you. You.

[Rory]

You.

[Maul]

You're asking for Drake to, you know, be the bigger person. You're asking him to. I'm just making a point off the wall.

[Rory]

I don't care. I actually laugh at this.

[Maul]

Yeah. Sometimes he want to play Petty. Sometimes he gonna be petty.

[Rory]

Sometimes.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Career.

[Maul]

Yeah, exactly. So sometimes I'm gonna say die slower. Sometimes I'm gonna say that I'm gonna be in the studio, I'm gonna hear that you just lost your show, got canceled, and I'm gonna be like, oh, he was talking so much about me this year. Let me send him a nice little message.

[Rory]

I just And I'm not saying this about Drake. I think it's the. When drill music and streamers all, like, connected and they started using drill slang and metaphors in real life is when things got weird. Like, smoking on packs and like, all this, like, you know, it's actually, like, really about, like, murder, right?

[Damaris]

Mm.

[Rory]

Yeah. They're saying that on Twitter. Those guys are actually doing it. That's when things. When anyone felt like they could say anything on the Internet, like, die slower. I just. I think that's a wild thing to DM somebody. I just do. I just do. And I think everyone is speaking like they're all drill rappers, no matter who you are. People feel like that's just acceptable vernacular now to say certain threats that have a meaning of actual violence. Like, we smoked on that pack tonight. Like, wait, you know that derives from someone that was murdered. Right. I just think it's. People talk crazy in dms, on streams, on Twitter. Like, it's nuts. The things that people are saying to each other with ease. And they're not even. I'm not saying this about Drake, and they're not even like that. Like, listen, do we joke around this and that? I don't use certain words because I'm not prepared to. I'm 35 years old. I don't want any violence.

[Maul]

Right.

[Rory]

Even when I was cut homie off in traffic, I just was staring straight. I want to fight. I'm past that point in my life, so I don't speak that way.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I'm not going to threaten someone that way unless we're going that way. So I don't know. I just think everyone on the in and out easily just says that has power behind it, if you think about what you're saying.

[Maul]

But do you. Do you understand why Drake said that?

[Rory]

I don't. I mean, did Ebro call him pedophile? I don't know if someone called me a pedophile. Yeah, probably in my head. I probably. I probably hope that their career.

[Maul]

He called him a sickness.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah. I did see the sickness part and I did see Ebro try to clean. Clean that up, saying that his fans were the sickness or whatever. Now Drake has every right to feel that way. I just think everyone is just talking too crazy in the last two or three years.

[Maul]

Me too.

[Rory]

People are talking way too fucking crazy.

[Maul]

I agree. Saying a lot of crazy things.

[Damaris]

I feel like I'm not mad at Drake for being petty, because whenever some shit happened to somebody that did me wrong, I'm always the first to say Ooh, God, don't play about me. So I know how it is to feel that way. But words do mean things. So you can say he didn't mean it like that. He just meant his career should die. But die slower. Pussy is like words have meaning and words have power, so.

[Maul]

They do.

[Damaris]

They do.

[Maul]

He said he sat back and listened to a lot of words about him over the last two years.

[Damaris]

That's fine.

[Rory]

Oh, it is.

[Maul]

That's what I'm saying. Die slow is fine.

[Rory]

I've never been in that situation, so I'm really honestly not here to judge how he reacted to it because I've never been in a position Drake has. Has been in and been called a pedophile. Yeah, maybe I would react worse, I don't know. But it's just a wild thing to say to somebody.

[Maul]

It is you, right? I'm not saying it's not. I like it, though. That's what I'm saying. I like it. That's all you niggas my foe fo make sure all your kids don't grow.

[Rory]

Mall. You may be the most indecisive person I've ever met because you've been thinking about upgrading to the all new iPhone 17 Pro for the entire year.

[Maul]

I have.

[Rory]

And I've been trying to tell you it's designed to be the most powerful iPhone ever.

[Maul]

You have.

[Rory]

But are you also thinking about the traffic on the way?

[Maul]

No.

[Rory]

Because you've been thinking about it for a very long time.

[Maul]

I have.

[Rory]

But they can transfer all your data because I've been telling you about the good news.

[Maul]

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[Maul]

Listen, I love him. I love his. I love his business model, but I think the train stops here. Listen, man, I think Anthony Joshua gonna put a hurting on that boy.

[Rory]

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[Rory]

Oh, and around the same time that I saw the Die Slower Pussy, I'm on the timeline and I see all these, like, out of context tweets from Damaris where I feel like she's, like, subbing an ex or something. And then I keep scrolling and realize that she's subbing Mariah the scientist. I am not her marriage proposal.

[Damaris]

Don't create. Don't create that narrative. That's not true. I'm very happy as long as Mariah is happy.

[Rory]

Of course you are.

[Maul]

And she's not. Like, we got to stop saying I'm happy if so. And so is happy. No, you're not. You're not happy. If Mariah the Science is happy.

[Damaris]

I'm happy. She's happy.

[Maul]

No, you're not.

[Damaris]

I want. I want my favorite artist to be happy. I don't want them to be depressed. Why would I want.

[Maul]

Okay, that's human being.

[Damaris]

Like, I love Mariah. I want her career to continue to successfully flourish. So if she's happy, I'm happy. All I said was the album. The next album gonna be great. That's all I said.

[Maul]

Okay, but why do you.

[Rory]

Back to words at the beginning. What were you alluding to?

[Damaris]

The next album's gonna be great. She's gonna be in love. I love and love music.

[Rory]

That's what you're. That's what you're thinking?

[Damaris]

Yeah, that's what. That's what I. Do you think something different?

[Rory]

Yes.

[Damaris]

Oh, okay.

[Ad/Promo Voice 1]

Say it.

[Rory]

I took that as you were expecting.

[Damaris]

No, no, don't say what you took what I was saying as. What do you think?

[Rory]

I don't think about Mariah the scientist in Young Thug.

[Damaris]

Oh, okay. Ever.

[Rory]

I didn't even know they were dating until, like, he got out of jail. Yeah, until it was the daddy, am I your baby?

[Maul]

Call.

[Rory]

When he was in jail, I had no idea they even knew each other.

[Damaris]

Y' all ever had somebody say daddy call you and say that?

[Maul]

Call me and say what?

[Damaris]

Just daddy, am I your baby?

[Maul]

No, I'm not your daddy, and you're not my baby.

[Rory]

Oh, boo.

[Maul]

No. Yeah, that's what's up.

[Damaris]

Boring.

[Maul]

Yeah. Huh?

[Damaris]

That's so boring.

[Rory]

I'm not your daddy.

[Maul]

Daddy, am I your. Get the off my phone with this. Am I your call your father, boy? Yeah. No, you're not my baby.

[Damaris]

You're just boring over there.

[Rory]

That's. That's the difference between boring and not boring. It's just the word, Daddy. Poppy, for some reason is okay.

[Damaris]

Snigga think.

[Rory]

I don't know why.

[Maul]

Think Poppy.

[Damaris]

Yo, he think he Puerto Rico.

[Rory]

I'm not saying. I'm saying it.

[Maul]

You're lad. You're lad. You're not Poppy.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Maul]

Rory, are you my lad? I might be right.

[Rory]

I think I might fucking cry. I think father might be. Am I yo? I think father is what it would be for.

[Maul]

Rory, am I your father?

[Damaris]

Yo, lad is funny.

[Maul]

Rory, are you my father?

[Rory]

What's the opposite of matriarchal? Like, I'd be that.

[Maul]

Rory, are you my lad?

[Rory]

The father, son, the Holy Ghost. That's my land for sure.

[Maul]

All right, well, congrats to Mariah the scientist and Young Thug. We love to see people in love and, you know, professing their love to each other. So, so respect there.

[Rory]

I mean, I don't think this. Because I know nothing about it. I think Mariah Sciences is great. I did see someone tweet this morning, God, please send me a bitch as fire and dumb as Mariah Scientist. I was like, that is mean.

[Damaris]

People are so mean on the Internet.

[Maul]

Are they mean or are they honest?

[Damaris]

I feel like we all need to learn to shut the fuck up a little bit more when it comes to people relationship, like calling somebody dumb. I just feel like celebrities see this stuff. I don't think celebrities see this stuff. Of course they do critique their art, but like, I don't know, maybe I've.

[Maul]

Learned, like, no, no, no. But here's the thing, Baby D. Here's the thing. Everything that they've gone through, the audio tapes and everything, when Thug was in jail, the other women he was talking to, and all of that was made public. Yeah, all of that was made public. So now when you have that, that's our business. Now we open my phone, I see what they been doing in jail. This, that and the third. Okay. It's cute when it's. Everybody is oh, Dadd. When that's the meme and everybody, it's cute then.

[Rory]

I thought it was fucked up then.

[Maul]

It's cute then. But then when it's like, yo, wasn't he just had a whole bunch of other girls on his visit telling him they loved. He loved them. And this, that, and the third, and he come home and now he get on stage on one knee, and you like, yeah, like, nah. But in the words this nigga playing in your face.

[Damaris]

But that's fine.

[Rory]

I'm in jail. I can't help when people come to visit me. I'm in jail.

[Maul]

But you can help what you say to people when they come visit you.

[Rory]

Yeah, but you're not supposed to leak that.

[Maul]

All right, so that's why.

[Damaris]

When it's like. When it's like. Well, they. It's. That's our business now. No, it's not. And they didn't. They didn't put you in their business. Their phone calls got leaked, their privacy got invaded, and now you got to go on the Internet and watch people who don't know you have opinions on your relationship. If you want to say something positive to people.

[Maul]

Have you ever visited somebody in jail?

[Damaris]

Have I ever.

[Maul]

Or have you ever had a phone call from somebody in jail?

[Damaris]

Romantically? No, but my cousin.

[Maul]

Have you had a phone call from anybody? The first thing they tell you is, this call is what being recorded?

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Maul]

All right, then. So anything after that, I don't care if it leaked, whatever. You know this is being recorded. You know that this has a chance. Somebody may see this. Somebody may hear this.

[Damaris]

Yes, but what.

[Maul]

So let's not say anything on this.

[Damaris]

Call, which is fine, but I'm not talking about for thug. I'm talking about Mariah. Mariah didn't do anything with wrong.

[Maul]

I'm not. No, I'm not saying no.

[Damaris]

But what I'm saying is I just feel like the Internet has just gotten so comfortable commenting on, like, calling somebody. I don't know. We're used to it, so it doesn't seem like a big deal to us, but the celebrities see this stuff and we be saying the meanest about. I've done it before, too. The meanest about these people. They are human beings, and just because they're public figures, they got to read.

[Rory]

This gig is the gig.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that shit is whack.

[Maul]

But I hope that they are happy. I hope that. You know what I'm saying, their union is full of love and happiness and all of that. I don't want them to be, you know, have a terrible marriage. But I am saying to things that people may say on the Internet that you may think is hurtful or things like that, they're just going off of the information and they're following this love story. So if somebody's following the love story, you can't be mad when they start talking about certain chapters like, yo, like, this nigga, he was. Girl, he was playing in your face the whole time, and you still had a. People are following the love story is what I'm saying.

[Damaris]

I mean, that's fine.

[Maul]

Hopefully it ends up in happiness and love and beautiful family. You know, we want happiness for them, but you can't get mad at people on the Internet for just, you know, referring back to chapter 22. That's all. It's like, people remember. And people like Mariah the Scientist, and people feel like, yo, girl, this nigga playing in your face. You deserve better. I see things girls say all the time online about Mariah the Scientist. Like, yo, you deserve better than that. You letting this man play with you. Da, da, da, da. So now when she pop out engaged to the guy that her fans, some of her fans feel like it's not good for her or played in her face, of course they gonna say things like that.

[Damaris]

I saw a tweet that said, y' all real funny. Cause y' all call everybody but Beyonce stupid for not leaving.

[Rory]

Yeah, but she gave us lemonade and told us how she worked through it. And Jay cried on the song 444. So it's like. And he made. Come on. He made the blueprint.

[Damaris]

You ever heard Lifestyle?

[Rory]

I was just about to say, there's plenty of women going through what Mariah Scientist goes through, and that man didn't make barter six. So I don't know.

[Maul]

Yeah, it's. Women don't mind going through worse.

[Rory]

I hear what you're saying, but don't act like in the neighborhood, they don't talk the same about what a lesser.

[Maul]

Nigga with a lesser making sense. But this is what human beings do with a lesser. Like, he did. What? Girl, if you don't leave that. That ain't even got no. I see this one meme. This dude said, tired of women lying to me, man. To my boo. I love you, I love you, I love you. He said, I ain't even got no car. You lying.

[Damaris]

What? What?

[Rory]

What?

[Maul]

You know, girl, y' all don't love no. Without no car. Cut it out.

[Damaris]

Oh, me personally, no, but I don't.

[Maul]

It ain't just you personally. It's women. I said what? I said.

[Rory]

Wait, wait, Where. Where are we, though?

[Maul]

What you mean, where are we?

[Damaris]

When if we.

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New York City.

[Rory]

A lot of people don't have cars. Even very rich people. Yeah, these bitches. You don't feel loved.

[Damaris]

They don't love you.

[Maul]

Let me. Let me give you breaking news, baby.

[Rory]

I know they don't love me.

[Maul]

They don't love me. You think? I just told you, I don't go on dates. I'm not stupid. They don't love me. I'm not. Listen. I'm very self aware. A girl be like, yo, I love you. I'll be like, yo, cut. Cut it. What you want? What you need? Christmas coming, first of the month. Like, what happened?

[Damaris]

Why you don't think that you're worthy of love?

[Maul]

No, no, no, I didn't say that.

[Rory]

Damn.

[Maul]

That's not what. See how fast she is? I'm worthy of love. I know that the same chicks out here don't love me when they say they love me.

[Damaris]

Why would you not believe that they love you? That's like, when. When n. Be like, I don't want a girl that fucked me on the first date. I feel like she do that to everybody. Why you don't believe you special? Why you don't believe that something was different about you?

[Maul]

Cause then information lands in your lap and you find out homie smashed him one day too.

[Rory]

From a jail call. You found out?

[Maul]

Yeah, from a jail call.

[Rory]

Until that leak.

[Maul]

From a jail week, yeah, you'll find out like, oh, that's. She just say that to everybody. Like, oh, all right. I knew she didn't love me. I ain't special.

[Rory]

You ain't the same with dumbbells. Don't love me.

[Damaris]

You just say that shit to get.

[Maul]

To, girl, you don't love me. Cut the shit, Ma.

[Rory]

You can be loved without a car. I think, like, maybe in more of a remote city like Atlanta, a car would help to be loved. But I think in the five boroughs, you get it done and be loved.

[Maul]

I mean, hey, we'll see.

[Rory]

Like, once you hit Central Jersey, yeah, you should probably have a car.

[Maul]

But I'm getting my car, though. So now I'm gonna see if somebody, like, really bug me.

[Damaris]

Can I be a passenger, princess?

[Maul]

Hell, no. That's for the hoes. If you. If you in the passenger seat, you gotta be doing all the way up the west side highway or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying, Rory? That's what we do on the west side at night. You know what I mean? Exit.

[Rory]

Damn. Already we home.

[Maul]

Yeah, you heard the song? That wasn't just raps. That was real life. They was showing you real life.

[Rory]

Why do we let Camron and Juels get that. That line off?

[Maul]

What line?

[Rory]

Yo. L. I hit what I've never asked my man. What else?

[Damaris]

What else?

[Rory]

Plus, has my man came out to be like, Yo, I hit 100%. Has happened multiple times. I never went, yo, but what else? Plus, don't say word. Say word. She let you and she gave you head.

[Damaris]

No, what else?

[Maul]

Yo, say word is hilarious. Plus, dome. Say word.

[Rory]

And we gonna get it on at night.

[Maul]

Yeah, man. She did me. Gave me that extra value meal, mopped me up real nice.

[Rory]

And mind you, I mean, there's been times where I've just hit and not gotten done. But it would, like. It doesn't shock me that I also get head if I'm somebody. No, but, like, that's not that crazy of a concept.

[Maul]

Yeah, no, I mean, you can get.

[Rory]

Head and not hit. And it's like, all right, cool.

[Maul]

That's not true, though. Cause you've gotten head before, and you didn't think she was about to give you head.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Oh, no. It was a great surprise.

[Maul]

But that's what I'm saying. So that's why Cam was like, say word. Like, but if she let me know.

[Rory]

If she letting you fuck, like, I don't know.

[Maul]

It was probably a girl that Cam dated to, and she didn't give Cam head. So he was like, say word. Like, I ain't get that. That happens. That's a real thing.

[Rory]

I'm also. If I know my man's fuck someone, definitely one, not fucking them. Two, not calling them. Be like, yo, I hit. That's fucking sick.

[Maul]

Oh, man.

[Rory]

Nobody. I gotta call Goober or somebody. Like, no one said anything in the studio.

[Maul]

Nah, man.

[Rory]

I don't think this is the exchange, y'.

[Maul]

All.

[Rory]

I don't like the shit y' all doing. Oh, boy. Let's lean more in that direction. Let's go with the old boy.

[Damaris]

You're still talking about it 15 years later.

[Maul]

Oh, man. We can't believe that that really happened. Like, now that you own it, you look back to, like, certain bars. You like. We used to, like, say this out loud. Like, we couldn't wait to get to that part of the song, but.

[Rory]

And I never understood what Joel said. I'm 18. Live a crazy life. Plus, I tell you what, the 80s like. Like, that was in 02. You st. How old was the girl you talking to? I was 12 years old when that song came out, and I was born in 1990. I can't tell you what the 80s like. So who's he talking to?

[Damaris]

But he was. She was older than him. He said that. That's why he said that.

[Rory]

Yeah, but she. If she was older, she Would know what the 80s was like.

[Damaris]

But I know that's why she. He was like, I could tell you what the 80s like.

[Rory]

Gotcha.

[Damaris]

It's okay. You reading comprehension, listening comprehension.

[Rory]

I can be all three, plus I could lay the pipe. I get it. No, it was good line.

[Maul]

But why you break it down like that though? Like. Well, see, when you break the bars down like that, you make it sound crazy, man.

[Rory]

It was just. It was a funny follow up because the scheme of I can be all three, plus I can lay the play he was giving game at that point and then ended it like. But by the way, I can also tell you what 1986 was like. Sound like a good.

[Damaris]

I don't know.

[Maul]

I'd have felt he doing whatever that's lying it anything that anything to get this dome tonight. I'm gonna tell her whatever she want to hear. Yeah, I'm sorry, baby D. I'm a victim. I've done it too. I'm sorry.

[Damaris]

How y' all felt when y' all found out the love of y life was a.

[Maul]

I don't never think.

[Rory]

I don't think there's def. There's definitely a girl. Yeah.

[Damaris]

You thought she was the love of your life and you found out she was a cuz. That hurt with men too. When you like, damn, that's husband material. You find out he's a. That makes stomach not up.

[Maul]

Y' all don't care about that though, do y'? All?

[Damaris]

Who don't?

[Rory]

Yeah, y' all don't care about that.

[Maul]

That women don't care about that I care about.

[Damaris]

I care about. I'm not saying if you have a whore pass. You have a whore pass. Whatever. I mean, like, if you're an active like you that's you dedicated to this whore in life. Like, you just be like you. That you easy. You going.

[Rory]

I define easy.

[Maul]

Y' all don't want no but y. But you say that, baby. Then you don't want no that other women don't like and don't want attractive. You don't want that.

[Damaris]

That's not the problem. Because ma, I don't. I think that you a hoe, but I don't think you're an active whore. You can get plenty of women want you. You don't take every piece of that's thrown.

[Rory]

He literally just told you yesterday he was a.

[Damaris]

Bad.

[Rory]

That was yesterday.

[Maul]

Wait, what?

[Damaris]

No, I don't mean it like.

[Rory]

I don't.

[Damaris]

I don't mean it.

[Rory]

Trying to say he's not cool.

[Damaris]

No, I'm not saying it like that. Mall you'll be you just random all day every day. You don't. You're not like that.

[Maul]

Absolutely not.

[Damaris]

You're not easy. Like you know how to turn down vagina some of these.

[Maul]

But baby, I'm also.

[Rory]

Is it more because of time constraint and location or is it a mall?

[Damaris]

If ma lived in Brooklyn, he'd be going crazy.

[Rory]

No, you know, if ma lived like really in the dry state football numbers.

[Maul]

Nah, I'm not that like I don't really maul.

[Rory]

When you were living close to the city, you fucked 50 bitches in one summer.

[Maul]

I was 24 years old.

[Rory]

What'd that mean?

[Maul]

I was young and dumb.

[Rory]

You just did leg day. You in shape.

[Maul]

Nah, I was young and dumb bro. Like when you 20 something years old. Yeah. That's what you do as a 40 something year old. I'm not even having conversations with certain women or like once I know there a certain type, I'm like, yo, we, I have we. It's nothing that we're gonna have in common.

[Rory]

Oh yeah man.

[Maul]

But you learn that over time. Like you learn the type of women that you attracted to, the type of women that you should have certain conversations with. Definitely. You learn what type of women you should be laying down with like and having sex with. Like just cause she looked good don't mean you need to lay down in bed with her and roll around and play tummy sticks with her.

[Rory]

What the fuck is sex? Unless it was the summer of love.

[Maul]

Then that's a different summer. That's a whole different summer.

[Rory]

What summer was that?

[Maul]

That 2006.

[Rory]

Yeah. 06 was definitely the summer of love.

[Maul]

2005, 2006, something like that. Yeah. I was out there. I was. It's like crab in a barrel. And I had two shotguns. Who wants crab cakes?

[Rory]

I was 15. And whoever would have me when you 15, when you 15, whoever will have me.

[Maul]

But that's what it is when you're young though. Hell, you don't know as a 20 something year old like what's going through puberty. Young guy. And you don't know when you're gonna have sex. You cannot control when you have sex. So if you just happen to get a girl at the crib and she's ready to have you, don't care what she look like. She might not be the most attractive at 24. Yeah. Nah, you knocking them down, you knocking them down.

[Damaris]

But you have a little bit of discernment at 24.

[Maul]

No, you have a little bit of Discernment. You're right. A little bit of discernment. A little bit. Now I got a lot of Bit like, I stopped mid conversation. I'm like, I will never talk to this girl again. It's just certain things they talk about. They say I'm just like, oh, yeah, that's what you want.

[Damaris]

I can't wait for a year when I could tell the world why you ghosted this one girl. I'm gonna give it a year, though. Cause I don't want her to know. Why you ghost who? I ghosted what I did funk funky.

[Maul]

Oh, that's always. They know that's my part of my thing. I say that out loud. Yeah. If you smell funny, I'm not fucking with you. See, when I was 22.

[Rory]

Come on, just go like this.

[Maul]

I might have had to. I might have had to hump through a little bit of stink air.

[Rory]

Oh, for sure.

[Maul]

But at 44. No. I go into bed and watch first 48 and go to sleep. I don't need that pussy. Like, I'm cool. Yeah, I'm cool.

[Rory]

Yeah. You can't watch first 48 and it stink in the room.

[Maul]

Yeah, the room stink. I got a light sage. Hoping you leave like peach.

[Damaris]

Me said it smelled like the actual crime scene.

[Maul]

Yeah, it smell like the corners on the way. Like.

[Rory]

Like what. What settings is your tv Smells in here too. Some new AI.

[Maul]

It's bad.

[Rory]

That's how I knew our whole podcast was watched. I think we were in. We had a live show in Boston. And in the group chat, everybody just happened to be alone. Watching First 48.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Y all in different rooms.

[Damaris]

Y' all some lou.

[Rory]

So I think someone just put it on tv. And then everyone. It just started ringing, vibrating. Everyone was just sending photos of their hotels.

[Maul]

Watching the same.

[Rory]

I'm just watching first. By yourself?

[Maul]

It's better than having some rando in your room that you never gonna see again, never gonna talk to again. I gotta sit here and pretend, act like we know we have things in common. Like, oh, you watch this too. It's funny. Just give me some head.

[Rory]

You watch this too? Yeah.

[Maul]

Like, how long we gonna do that? Like four commercials. All right, come on. We don't watch four commercials. I need some. Some top. Yeah, like, we can't do this. You gotta go soon. You're not spending the night.

[Rory]

And cuz, like, I don't. I don't even do this type of. But there's something that's just different about you. You feel like we've known each other forever.

[Maul]

Check your man out. See you do that.

[Rory]

I never done that.

[Maul]

Come on. He do that.

[Rory]

I couldn't get that out with a straight face to a woman. I would start laughing in the middle of the sentence. I feel like we've known each other our whole lives.

[Damaris]

I've said that before, but I've said.

[Maul]

It sarcastically to people, to a guy. No way.

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You know what?

[Rory]

That probably worked on me, Josh.

[Maul]

No way.

[Rory]

You know what, Damaris?

[Maul]

Maybe I am easy.

[Rory]

That would work on me. You said it really.

[Damaris]

It really felt like we knew were.

[Rory]

Man, y' all your moon in Virgo, too.

[Maul]

Damaris, you got to walk us through this. How did you. How. How did the conversation.

[Damaris]

It was a serious conversation, but we really did feel like that. Like, we really felt like we known each other. Like, we didn't say a first date, but we said, like we. Yo. Like, I felt like I've known you my entire life.

[Maul]

Oh, but not the first. Not the first.

[Rory]

No, not the first.

[Maul]

That's what we talking about. We talking about it was like the.

[Damaris]

Second and the second date was the day after the first.

[Maul]

So 24 hours later, you told that man.

[Rory]

That's the same thing.

[Maul]

You felt like you've known him pretty much. That's the same thing. Yeah.

[Damaris]

Well, even if you had phone conversations.

[Maul]

With them beforehand, like, not the second day. Like, after the first week, two weeks, you kind of feel like, yo, like, I ain't gonna lie. Our chemistry is like. It's like we hung out before. I feel like we've known each other for. I can understand that. The second day, a girl said that. The second day, I'm like, yo, I just start asking real questions. What's up? You need somewhere to stay? Like, what's up? Cause you landed on heavy. I known you 24 hours, and you telling me. I feel like I've known you forever.

[Damaris]

Well, we had known each other. We had known each other for two weeks. It was just the second date.

[Maul]

So y' all were talking for two weeks? Yes. That's different.

[Damaris]

That's what I'm talking about.

[Maul]

You got enough conversations.

[Damaris]

I didn't meet and know him for 24 hours.

[Maul]

Okay, all right. If you were talking for two weeks, but then at the second time y' all hung out. Oh, no, I'm not mad at that shit.

[Rory]

You get off at, like, a resort. Doing that in domestic waters is crazy at a resort. Like, you do that shit on a cruise. Like, you do that shit on vacation.

[Maul]

You do your best line.

[Rory]

Doing that shit in the city you live in is Nuts.

[Maul]

Yeah, you do your best. You do your best line on vacation. Vacation lies. Soon as I get back to jfk, I'll be like, man, I don't even know what I just told this girl. But that was all lies.

[Damaris]

That's why I do that.

[Maul]

It's warm water, sand. You got this fucking dong bikini on. I'm four coladas in. What you want me to say? I'm just giving you my best.

[Rory]

We both understand this is not leaving Dr. Like.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but what she don't understand that.

[Maul]

She gonna understand once I get my bag off this, this carousel again. This Uber, once I hit the pre check line.

[Rory]

Oh, you ain't got clear. Yo. Text me to get home as soon.

[Maul]

As I walk to my gate. And she gotta go to her gate. She don't live in New York. Where you at? Oh, you going back to the West Coast. All right, see you later. It's over. Them lies are staying right in that sand. Yeah.

[Rory]

With the rock the bell, that was my first cruise. I didn't know that that was like a thing on cruises until after we docked. Like that's a real thing that people do.

[Maul]

You fall in love on the cruise.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's why.

[Maul]

Yeah, you had your cabin.

[Rory]

But, but it was all like people. It was like a marriage cruise, more or less. Like with that lineup of older people that were married, having fun. It wasn't like a, A singles. Yeah, that's different.

[Maul]

That's different. Yeah, but you got a lot on vacation, baby. Baby. Dude, you done lied on vacation before.

[Rory]

You've definitely been like pretending to be in a relationship.

[Damaris]

Never. I've never done that.

[Rory]

Like.

[Maul]

No, you've never lied on vacation?

[Rory]

No one I know is in St. Thomas. We can just pretend we're in a relationship.

[Damaris]

I've never, I've never done that. I've never been like that.

[Maul]

I don't.

[Damaris]

My friends do that. My friends be on vacation. I've never been there.

[Maul]

I don't.

[Rory]

No, I'm not saying everyone on vacation. I'm saying you. We are now in a full blown relationship.

[Maul]

No, I'm saying you with a guy. Not. Not you on vacation, chilling and you meet a guy. I'm talking about you. You went on a trip with a guy.

[Damaris]

No, my dumb ass really being love. I. Y' all know me. Ditzy lover girl. Idiot.

[Maul]

It Baby D, you got to lie.

[Damaris]

I don't. I, I, I don't.

[Rory]

Why?

[Maul]

Why?

[Damaris]

I don't like lying. Real of a. I don't got to lie. I don't like that. Why lie?

[Maul]

Yeah, but then you come in here two months later, and you and your villain. I know when you in your villain era, I know your villain origin story as soon as you come back and be like, so think I'm. I'm like. I'm like, all right. Oh, my God.

[Rory]

When she gets the sand out of.

[Maul]

Her toes, like, it was just all good. We got a whole fucking beach dump and all of that. You done put everything on the top, like, all right, baby. To get your shit off. Two weeks later. Yo, so niggas think I'm pussy. Cause n be thinking, who you talking to? Me and Rory don't think that. So who you talking to?

[Damaris]

My thing will always be like, with this lion shit. You don't have to lie to me because I'm the most understanding person on earth. Everything you want from me, if you keep it honest, you can still have.

[Maul]

No, that's not true.

[Rory]

We're talking more about. We're both lying to each other about this commitment.

[Damaris]

You can't have the commitment. And that's what want. Want you locked away.

[Rory]

Mary J.

[Damaris]

Song want you locked away while they do what they want to do.

[Maul]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Damaris]

We can still do everything we're doing.

[Maul]

Oh, yeah. He got to keep it, Pete. You can't. You can't try to lock her down. And then you still trying to play.

[Damaris]

That's what it is.

[Maul]

Yeah, yeah.

[Damaris]

All day, every day.

[Rory]

No, but we saying more The. The vacation of. We're. We're both lying to each. We both know what this is like. One time, I went on vacation with a girl I was not dating, and when we got to the front desk, they said, right this way, Mr. And Ms. Farrell. I was like, oh, he playing along, too.

[Maul]

I loved it. I loved it. He gave him my last name. You know what it is? I believe you're in the honeymoon suite. Yes, we are.

[Rory]

Oh, wait, wait. Hold on, hold on. Y' all don't lie every time you book. Book something.

[Maul]

We about to fuck this suite up.

[Damaris]

Huh?

[Rory]

Y' all don't lie every time you.

[Damaris]

Want them people saying shit. Anniversary.

[Rory]

Hell, yeah. Every restaurant we go to in the.

[Maul]

In the nice goose from the towel. Yeah. The swan on the bed, they give.

[Rory]

You a free bottle of champagne.

[Maul]

And the cheap champagne, they give you the. From the bottomless brunch, they give you that. The bottomless.

[Rory]

It's just seltzer water. Really?

[Ad/Promo Voice 2]

Yeah.

[Maul]

That's trash. But it. We don't need that. It's all good.

[Rory]

No, that just makes vacations more fun.

[Maul]

You got a lot of vacations are.

[Rory]

To escape from reality. Why can't you also do that with somebody that.

[Damaris]

I lie too good. I believe my own lies. So I just don't lie.

[Rory]

That's the point of vacation.

[Maul]

That's called mental illness.

[Damaris]

I lied too good. I started believing.

[Maul]

Because we both know. Because once you go on a trip knowing, like, yo, listen, we just gonna have fun, and y' all both know what it is we in here lying. I don't.

[Damaris]

I don't go on trips. Like, I only go on trips with my boyfriends. I don't go on trips like that.

[Maul]

Yeah, but then you come back from the trip, and then you be like, yo, some niggas think I'm pussy.

[Damaris]

Cause n be thinking I'm pussy.

[Maul]

That's what I'm saying. So protect yourself and just go have fun. Don't put too much on it. Just lie. Tell a nigga like, I'm not talking to nobody else but you, boo. You know how y' all do. Look that nigga right in his eyes. I'm not. I don't do that. This is my first time here. I don't even. And front desk nigga know you by now.

[Rory]

You back, yo, the front desk nigga.

[Damaris]

In St. Lucia knowing you.

[Maul]

Yeah. Yo, like, yo, why he hugged you like that?

[Damaris]

You hugged.

[Rory]

The usual.

[Maul]

Like, why he know what you drink?

[Rory]

Yeah. Cause nothing will be. Would be worse if I got Tito's in that.

[Maul]

Like, why he know you like Tito's in that?

[Rory]

Yo, because you know, some. Some of those. Those resorts, like, they keep the data and know if you're a returning customer, I never want to hear. Welcome back, Mr. Farrell.

[Maul]

Yeah. No, no, no, no.

[Rory]

This is my first time here.

[Maul]

Yeah, I don't.

[Rory]

I've never been here.

[Maul]

I never. I never do that, though. Double back to the same resort, though.

[Rory]

I've been like, once or twice, but, yeah, I'd rather go somewhere new than go to the same.

[Maul]

New lies, new beach, new lies. That's how I'm on it.

[Rory]

But I don't know. I mean, me and Pe we left our souls in St. Thomas. I've been back there a few times.

[Maul]

All right, well, 50 Cent has released audio 50.

[Rory]

Your man can't out out petty. 50.

[Maul]

Nobody can out Petty.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's. Drake is petty. Don't get me wrong. He's. He's the Petty King when there's the Petty God, and his name is Kurtis.

[Damaris]

Jackson, so he's the pettiest rapper of all time, is what we're Saying, yes.

[Maul]

Rapper, don't box him in. He's the pettiest man of all time. Not just rapper. 50 Cent is the pettiest man of all time.

[Rory]

Like, you know, like the royal family.

[Maul]

You know what it is about more than the Clintons. I don't understand why people. Because again, you gotta understand. 50's his life story. Whenever somebody stands over you and puts bullets into you and tries to kill you, you, you, nothing bothers you after that. Like, there's nothing nobody could say. Especially when you successful, got money. And what are you gonna say to this man? Yeah, he gonna look at you and be like, oh, okay, you wanna go down that road? Okay, let's do it. Let's have fun. And it's not gonna end good most times for you. So.

[Rory]

Well, for those that don't know, 50's been going back and forth with Mayno and Jim Jones with their podcast and he leaked in audio conversation with the landlord of where they record saying that Jim owes like 180k. But 50 did just post while we were recording that that Jim did pay it all back and he said, yo, I'll still talk to the landlord, but he wants to buy the place that they record at. Which I believe the landlord has some type of deal with them as far as he could buy some of the podcast if he wanted to. Which is probably the most petty thing on fucking earth. But I saw Mayno yesterday do TMZ, said beefing with 50 is profitable. Like there, there's a reason why Khaled told Rick Ross, you should go dis 50 like that. It'll help you. 50 will keep that going. Yeah, yeah, he'll, he'll apply to everything. He'll make it funny. Like a back and forth with 50 does help your career.

[Maul]

Yeah, I mean when you, if you, if that's the attention you want, if you just want clicks and to go viral and things like that and have fun, if that's what you want. But now if you show up to your studio one day and it's a government seize on the property saying that it has been sold, it's not gonna be too funny, then it's not laughs. Then we gotta find somewhere else to record and then we got. So, you know, I don't know if you want to go down that lane and laugh with 50 like that. I don't wanna do that. Hey, 50, I love you, but I don't understand why anybody would wanna get into a back and forth with 50. Yes, you're gonna get clicks and views, but if he decides to get really petty and start, like, affecting business, I mean, he has a great team of lawyers that will make things very difficult for your business model is all I'm saying. I don't wanna see that. I think it's unnecessary, but hopefully this is just a bunch of rappers from the city going back and forth, talking shit, having fun on the Internet.

[Rory]

Well, Jim and 50 have had a weird relationship for a little bit now.

[Maul]

But 50 has had a weird relationship with a lot of people. And now everybody. Everybody. I mean, him and Fat Joe was caught side Nick games, like. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? They had a weird.

[Rory]

They had real beef.

[Maul]

This is what I'm saying. So we've seen 50 make amends and be cool with people. But, you know, I just think that he's somebody that. He lives for this petty shit. This fuels him. This gives him something to just, you know, just be petty about and just have fun on the Internet with. But again, it could really affect your real business, though.

[Rory]

Yeah, no, absolutely. I mean, who's been unhappy unscathed in a 50 beef?

[Maul]

Unscathed? I don't know if anybody is.

[Rory]

I mean, the Ross thing, all right, the pimp and Curly was funny. And then he took his baby mother shopping. Like, that was wild. And then 50 launched his whole blog based off that. Raw. The only thing that saved Ross in that whole thing was that's when Ross started making the best music of his life. And we. And 50 started focusing on other things except for music. So it looked like Ross. Ross did come out unscathed in that. That regard.

[Maul]

I wouldn't say unscathed, but it looked.

[Rory]

Like he came out. His baby mother was on camera shopping with 57.

[Maul]

It looked like he came out, you know, on the better side of that. Like, he. He had success and he still was able to.

[Rory]

The music was just undeniable.

[Maul]

He was making good music.

[Rory]

Like the Officer Ricky. Didn't really matter that much when the music was that good. But, I mean, young Buck will tell you, 50's gonna record a phone call.

[Maul]

As he should do y' all not gonna call me a liar, do y'?

[Damaris]

All?

[Rory]

Don't let me cry on the phone. And you. You record it.

[Damaris]

Y' all record your phone calls now?

[Maul]

Do I record my phone calls?

[Rory]

What type of phone call?

[Damaris]

Not like every phone call, but, like, business phone calls. Let's squad.

[Rory]

Well, anything Zoom related.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You can also record everything. Yeah. Most of the business calls that should be recorded are typically on Zoom. And that's always. You always See with us.

[Maul]

Yeah. You always see, like, it's recorded.

[Rory]

Hope you know this is being recorded. Yeah, like.

[Maul]

Like, do I record when somebody don't know I'm recording? I'm not doing that. I don't play that game. I don't. But why? I would just wouldn't be talking to somebody if I feel like I had to record them. We wouldn't have a conversation.

[Rory]

Isn't that illegal in New York? There's certain states where you can't record calls without people's, like, permission to know.

[Maul]

I think it is illegal. New York.

[Damaris]

It.

[Maul]

Why? Don't say nothing. Don't say nothing. Why have you recorded a phone call?

[Damaris]

Cuz sometimes, like, I. I be too into the call talking. I don't really be hearing what they saying. So I recorded like an argument call or like a breakup call and not listen back and be like, I forgot to make this point.

[Maul]

Can I ask you something? How many. How many argument calls have you had with the same. No, how many breakup calls have you had with the same person?

[Damaris]

Well, it depends on the person.

[Maul]

Okay, so how many breakup calls has one guy gotten before just from, like, a random guy?

[Damaris]

Bro, I broke up with my ex. Like, we broke up like, seven times in like, the course of two years.

[Maul]

What's up?

[Damaris]

Like, why you keep picking on me today? Like, is you cool?

[Maul]

No, I'm not picking in yellow hat. I'm not picking on you. I'm just asking you a question. That's all.

[Damaris]

That's it.

[Rory]

But you're asking the wrong like. All right, so when you listen back, is it AirPods? You put it on the Sonos? Nah, are we banging it in the wind? Like, how do you listen back? You just like this.

[Damaris]

You put your phone on speakerphone, record it on your computer, and then play it back on your computer and screen share with your homegirls so they can hear.

[Maul]

Nah, that's way too much. Yo, you playing my shit on the Summer Jam screen at that point.

[Rory]

You got it. Like, whatever.

[Maul]

Like, what's up, man? What we doing? You playing your conversation with your homegirls that you recorded on your laptop. For what? Like, what's the. What you playing them in the conversation for?

[Damaris]

You ain't never watched game tape before.

[Rory]

Doing that to get better at arguing. This is the great debaters.

[Damaris]

Y' all watch sex tapes back. They feel, oh, okay, I could probably do this move next time, but I can't watch an argument back to be like, I could be better at this. I could make this point better. I can be Less emotional when I'm arguing.

[Maul]

All right, but do you have, like, how many arguments do you have, like, on your computer?

[Damaris]

Oh, just like, two.

[Maul]

Okay, so you don't save all your work.

[Damaris]

No.

[Maul]

Once you get better, you just delete the. Okay, I think I respect it. I can kind of respect that. Yeah, but are you trying to get better at arguing, or are you trying.

[Damaris]

To get better at problem solving? Cause sometimes I get emotional and I don't get my point across, so I want to be better at that. Okay, but it's hard if you don't hear it, because you can't when you're emotional. You're not listening, so you don't remember what you said. So when you record it, it's like, oh, I messed up right here. I should listen.

[Maul]

I should have told this lie.

[Damaris]

Lie.

[Maul]

That's all she doing. She's trying to look.

[Rory]

She not the lie. Pocket his reactions to figure out how she could manipulate better. Okay. He kind of fell for that one. So let me lean more into that.

[Damaris]

In a terrible lens. Cuz y' all are terrible people. I'm just trying to be a better now.

[Maul]

We're terrible people. We. We don't record.

[Rory]

I'm not recording.

[Maul]

We don't record.

[Damaris]

Y' all don't want to be better. Y' all not trying to problem solve.

[Maul]

No, I am, but I'm just not recording myself trying to be a problem.

[Damaris]

And I also don't like when somebody said. I didn't say that. Yes, you did. I didn't say that. Yes. The fuck I didn't say it like that. Yes, the fuck you did. I have it.

[Maul]

You see why you should just lie on the beat.

[Damaris]

Roll that beautiful bean footage.

[Maul]

Asap. Rocky is putting out an album. Rory, I don't know if you know that. It's called don't be dumb.

[Rory]

I've never played back my fucking argument.

[Maul]

What are you gonna do?

[Rory]

Just.

[Damaris]

Just. You ain't gonna leave.

[Maul]

The relationship is over with that suing.

[Rory]

Universe University, everybody getting sued.

[Maul]

So ASAP Rock is putting out an album?

[Rory]

Yeah, I mean, I think it's. It's a great title. Because we're dumb to believe that he's gonna put this out. It's been going on for what, five years? He beat his case and did an album announcement with the date and everything. Never got it.

[Maul]

So he says. Sorry.

[Rory]

He did this in word art the day he posted it.

[Maul]

Don't be dumb. Finally. Here. Thanks, Tim Burton, for helping me make this movie. Coming soon.

[Rory]

Oh, so it's a movie.

[Maul]

Okay. My thing is, why is Rocky putting out music? He might be passionate about it still, but let's just paint the scenario. Rory, you're married to a billionaire mogul of a wife. You have three beautiful children. The music industry is dying, especially our genre. Hip hop is not doing what it once was. Why would I spend time away from my beautiful family to record music and put it out?

[Rory]

This would be the best time to ever put music out. There's no pressure. I don't have to confide to what may have to work or deal with the current sound. Doesn't matter. There's nothing to do with my livelihood. That's the perfect time, I think, to create.

[Maul]

Okay. Creating from a place of just wanting to create.

[Rory]

That's even why I.

[Maul]

You don't care what I did.

[Damaris]

My.

[Rory]

Why I even did my first project. And I mean, me and ASAP Rocket are clearly like the same person. We've had the same impact on. On music and fashion.

[Maul]

Yeah. You and just the culture.

[Rory]

Same shit.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I did it because I. I did it from a place where this is not my livelihood. Like, I'm not making it from a place where I need to pay. My rent is paid elsewhere.

[Maul]

It's.

[Rory]

With this gig, I can do whatever I want over here and not have to worry about how we navigate. Like when. When we're here, sometimes we talk about or clip or. Or title certain things because we know it has to get traction, downloads, views. I wouldn't do that if. If I was a billionaire. Outside of that, this podcast would probably be a little bit different as far as some of the topics that we do have to cover, but it's livelihood. I got a kid. I got a mortgage. But okay, but music wise, if I'm with a billionaire, that's probably make my best music.

[Maul]

All right, well, we'll have to see.

[Rory]

And I got a different type of talk.

[Maul]

Yeah, you can talk a little.

[Rory]

And Rocky's done fine by himself. He doesn't need to be with a billionaire wife. But that's a little different one when you with the Fenty Queen.

[Maul]

All right, I want to hear what he did. I want to hear what Rocky did with this project. Hear what music he got on there. Hear what he's talking about. He's, you know, obviously has a family now, and life is different. So let's see what he did with this one.

[Rory]

If. If everybody hates the album and I love it, guess what? I made an album I love, and I'm going home to my billionaire, beautiful, amazing wife and my three children. Nothing Nothing's gonna change.

[Maul]

Life is great. Life is great.

[Rory]

I like the album and that's all that matters. Cause this is not really my job anymore. This is just a passion project.

[Maul]

Tim Burton did the COVID art. That's hard.

[Rory]

I mean, but even like Rocky, as creative as he is, I think the last three videos he's put out have been fucking incredible. Like, I think Rocky's just having fun.

[Maul]

He had. I told you. I don't know how he did.

[Rory]

His videos were crazy.

[Maul]

That video he did. What was it? Was it Taylor?

[Rory]

Was it Taylor's Talk about the joint that was in Soho with Rihanna was like on the fire escape at one point.

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[Maul]

Not that one.

[Rory]

Okay. Because that one.

[Maul]

What was the last. What was the last video he did? I said I feel like he should have got video video.

[Damaris]

That was the one with Rihanna. I think you're talking about.

[Rory]

Is it.

[Maul]

Was it Taylor Swift? Swifty or Swift. What was the name of that song? Josh, you look it up.

[Rory]

Who?

[Damaris]

Taylor Swift.

[Maul]

Taylor Swift.

[Rory]

That's good. Getting se over there. I see what he was trying to do.

[Maul]

That. That video. That video was insane.

[Rory]

If you Swift, if you were with a billionaire, what would be. What would be your passion probably project was what. What's Maul doing? Once he had just can just chill, man.

[Maul]

I'm just be with the kids and in the gym every day, man, making sure I could please my lady, keep my lady happy.

[Rory]

You'd be a gym influencer.

[Maul]

No, I wouldn't be you. Y' all would never see me. I wouldn't influence nothing. I would be a dad. I would be in the gym.

[Rory]

Like passion project stuff. Not, of course, you'd be with your kids and. And this and that.

[Maul]

Maybe something for as far as giving back to like the community kids, things like that. Maybe some after school programs, like some rec centers and things like that. I think that's something to keep kids off the street and they can go somewhere safe, learn, give out some food, you know, things like that. Like just giving back to the youth. Something like that. That's like a passion.

[Rory]

Like, you'd essentially be the first lady. Like where they have to pick a charity and that's their.

[Maul]

Yeah, let's open up some rec centers around the country. And you know what I'm saying, how they got YMCAs and boys and girls club. Let's create something for our culture like that caters to the K from our culture, our communities, where they know they could be safe and have, you know, express themselves creatively. Get into maybe, you know, give Them other options. You don't have to be a rapper. You don't have to be an athlete. You can get into film. You can get into, you know, learning how to work cameras and engineering, audio engineering, things like that. Just create a space where kids can have fun and learn and know that, you know, people in the community care about them.

[Rory]

Yeah, I like that. I like that a lot.

[Maul]

Name it after our kids. You know what I'm saying, man? Yeah, something like that.

[Rory]

Cool. Cool thing. I mean, damn. Now that you, like, went that route, I'm just gonna sound like a selfish. I would just go full chef. I could feed the kids.

[Maul]

Okay, okay. I'm not mad at.

[Rory]

But I would definitely. If I had to, never worry about a bill. Yeah, I go full. Full chef.

[Damaris]

Same.

[Maul]

Yeah, like culinary school.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Or.

[Rory]

Or I would do, like, wild gardening.

[Maul]

What do you mean?

[Rory]

Like, yeah, like, because I told you, like, I like to arrange flowers because I'm getting.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And, like, that's therapy to me. Yeah, I would do, like, gardening. That would be my thing.

[Maul]

I'm mad at that.

[Rory]

Cooking in flowers.

[Maul]

Agriculture.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Maul]

Kanye said we need to bring back agriculture in the schools. I agree with him. Kids need to know how to plant and grow stuff. Yeah.

[Rory]

You don't think that's crazy that we were given everything? Like, food comes out the ground?

[Maul]

No, listen, he made some valid points. He's a little, you know, his delivery was a little wild, but he made some valid points, though.

[Rory]

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[Maul]

Yeah, I'm not too sure about that, but I'll think about it. Right.

[Rory]

Ah, man. What you doing with your life? Get off the couch, man. It's time to go to Walden University, man. What you doing?

[Maul]

You absolutely, absolutely right.

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[Maul]

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[Rory]

Before we move on, I do want to say our Ghost Face interview at the Mass Appeal Pop up is available right now. One of my favorite conversations I think I've I've ever had and I know a lot of our our listeners prefer no guests, just us. But that ghost face conversation, I I encourage everyone to watch. That was a fun conversation. Ghost is fucking hilarious. He's built for podcasting.

[Maul]

Absolutely no Ghostface is he's bigger than podcasting. He's one of the greatest storytellers we have, one of the greatest personalities we have. And it was just, it was cool to sit down and talk to somebody that I've obviously been a fan of since I was a kid and watched and listened to. So yeah, the conversation was dope, fun, everything I thought it would talking to ghosts, a lot of laughs and even off mic like who he is on mic is who he is off mic 100% super cool, super personable, very funny, very charismatic. A true character. But also like, you know, somebody that has a lot of, like, love with him, though. Like, he's nothing but love and respect.

[Rory]

He's a good dude for sure.

[Maul]

Thanks for Ghostface shout out to MASH appeal as well.

[Rory]

We solved the pause issue between your family starting it and Ghosts having an issue with it. I'm glad we made some positive headway with it.

[Maul]

Yeah, we had a good pause. We had good negotiations. It was a good negotiation. I think we understand Ghost more now. He understands the pause more now.

[Rory]

I put him and Leon Thomas on text.

[Maul]

Great. Hopefully we get a great record out of that.

[Rory]

I hope to God they work together. That'll be perfect. But yeah, Ghostface Killer interview is available right now on our YouTube and anywhere you get audio podcast. Podcast. Let's get to our Put me on segment, which is sponsored by walden University. Yes, Ma is going to be the valedictorian 2026.

[Maul]

Am I Walden you. They giving me.

[Rory]

Listen, man, they gonna give you a scholarship.

[Maul]

I'll take it. I got four years of eligibility. I might be able to get be the point guard at Walden University. You never know.

[Rory]

Before I found out that track was going to cover my tuition. I've filled out an application for lefties that you get like money to go to college.

[Maul]

How much did they give you?

[Rory]

It was like 500 bucks. And my mom was like, now you filling that out. She was 500. Any type of little grant that you could do?

[Maul]

Hell yeah, we getting all this free money. I ain't mad at moms. Give me all of that. We need all of that. Every. Everything counts.

[Rory]

All right, Put me on segment. I would start this more of an end of the year wrap up type of put me on type of thing. I know you guys with Jesse Reyes, but she put out one of the greatest R B albums of this year and I don't think it got the attention that it should have. It's an incredible, incredible album. Paid in Memories, it's got Wayne's on it, Miguel is on it. Yachty Black, Big Sean. Ari Lennox is some of her best writing ever. And maybe I'm just not in that algorithm. I just don't think there's enough people talking about this. Jesse Ray is album, Paid in Memories is. Is by far one of my favorites this year.

[Maul]

I like Jesse Reyes.

[Rory]

No, she's. She's different. Like, it's one of those that I feel like, all right, what. What is not connecting for you to be a superstar? Is it. It has to be a. The business side of something.

[Maul]

I feel like not.

[Rory]

Not. Not her team. I'm saying, like, some. Something's not connecting with the label and the dsp. Because she's doing great. Don't get me wrong. She's selling out shows. She's doing incredible. I just think she. Think she's a tier above what she's doing as far as talent.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And music. Her is incredible.

[Maul]

And she went to the same. That same program in Toronto with.

[Rory]

With Daniel, with Raheem, Chantel May, all them.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Rory]

1985. She's. I don't know. She's different to me. I've always felt that way about Jesse Reyes. I think she's so talented. Paid In Memories available. One of the best R and B projects of this year.

[Maul]

Dope. I'm gonna put y' all on to a guy, Chris Patrick. He's from East Orange, N.J. rapper. He got a project, Pray for Me, that I've been listening to. I like this dude. New rap.

[Rory]

Oh, all right. So it's rap. I'm looking at it right now.

[Maul]

Yeah. Chris Patrick.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Maul]

Pray for Me. He got suave on.

[Rory]

That's my guy.

[Maul]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

Love that. And everyone check out suave stuff as well. All right. East Orange, Cool. I'm always.

[Maul]

Yeah, sure.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Maul]

I like to. I like this dude, Chris Patrick.

[Rory]

What type of. All right, what type of East Orange. We about talked.

[Maul]

Talking nice. It's. Where's.

[Rory]

No, no, no, I know, but I'm saying what type of East Orange resident? Like, what's. What's the content of the music?

[Maul]

Oh, no, it's. His music is very. It's. It's. It's. It's.

[Rory]

It's like closer to Newark or closer to Montclair. Damn. Because East North.

[Maul]

That's a great question. No, I'm.

[Rory]

Is it Cole or Chief Keef?

[Maul]

I'mma say Cole. Okay, I'm going say Cole.

[Rory]

We got smiling on this.

[Maul]

Yeah, if you put it like that, I'm gonna say Cole. But, yeah, his Pray For Me project. I've been listening to it. Sounds good, man. I like this dude. So this is somebody I think I'm gonna watch out for and just, you know, pay attention to his trajectory and see what he does.

[Rory]

Oh, no. Anything Jersey related, I'm here to support. I listen to this on the way.

[Maul]

Chris Patrick, Pray For Me. Available now. You got DSPs. Check that out.

[Rory]

Oh, he's on Def Jam.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Rory]

All right.

[Maul]

All right. Def Jam. He's all right. I like him.

[Rory]

Cool. Demaris, what's up?

[Damaris]

So even though we talked about it a little bit in the a couple minutes ago and I was playing it all day yesterday, Ken dropped her deluxe of her album of her project, kind of famous shout outs to Ken the Man. Yeah. At the top of November. So if you don't know who Ken the Man is, like, you gotta go. Her and Mona Leo are neck and neck with the like they don't make pussy rap. They just make fuck that nigga music. And like your favorite genre. I'm getting money and we lit like.

[Maul]

That'S your favorite genre, ain't it?

[Rory]

Been too while she's cuddled up with a man.

[Maul]

That's your favorite genre, ain't it baby Dick.

[Damaris]

My bitch came to me and said I'm single, I'm fine and the gym just got my hair did nails back long so I can flip a off again. I know them love it when that piss me off again.

[Rory]

Hello.

[Damaris]

I know my love it when that.

[Rory]

Pissed me off again.

[Maul]

Yeah and as soon as he called K man going to be right downstairs in five minutes. You said all that to say shout out to her.

[Damaris]

Shout out.

[Rory]

Seems like he has a pretty big influence over her mood. Maybe she should focus on herself.

[Maul]

Shout out.

[Rory]

Anytime you play stuff from her. I actually do think she's super talented. We give you about it. But she is. She's dope now.

[Maul]

She's dope. I like she just had a new.

[Damaris]

She just had a. You know, she, she. She's doing her thing I with her, so.

[Rory]

All right, let her rock.

[Maul]

I think Sher s her. Okay. I think Sherry might have signed. I think Sher signed to rock. Rock.

[Rory]

Oh, she's on rock. I didn't know that.

[Damaris]

Yeah. So she is signed. K man is signed to Rock Nation. She got signed, you know, in mid 2023.

[Rory]

Oh then yeah, that would have been with Sher.

[Maul]

Yeah, that was Sher shout out to.

[Damaris]

Sherry being a genius.

[Rory]

Sherry is a great here. Yeah, that. That makes sense then. Oh and all right. Yeah, she got. She got the Illuminati behind calendar. You about to make it.

[Damaris]

Yeah, she about to make it.

[Maul]

She about to make it.

[Rory]

Do we have voicemails?

[Maul]

You've got mail.

[Rory]

These are sponsored by Boost Mobile.

[Maul]

Hey, what's going on? Rory Mall, the Marist and the entire staff. Quick question. When was the last time you actually had to check somebody like face to face? Not. Not some scathing response to some. To some tweet. I'm talking like in your adult life had to check somebody a Couple weeks.

[Ad/Promo Voice 2]

Ago, my wife told me that this.

[Maul]

One particular person, like, talked about me years ago. Like, when he found out me and my wife first got engaged, he said some like that this must got money because I don't see. I don't know why she would be with him otherwise. It's like some like that, you know, We've been married about 15 years now, and so you do the math.

[Ad/Promo Voice 2]

It's been 15 years since he said some like.

[Maul]

Like that. But I was salty at my wife a little bit because I wish you told me sooner because I've interacted with him on occasion, but my interaction would have went a lot different if I knew how he felt naturally. You know what I'm saying?

[Ad/Promo Voice 2]

And it also doesn't help that one.

[Maul]

Of our recent interactions, like, he tried to, like, play me in front of other women. Like, I'm not wandering eye or anything like that. I'm married. But it's like, you still don't want to get played in front of. You don't want to feel signed in front of other women. Regardless, I don't care. Care what, what your, you know, your, your, your status is dating statuses. So that's my, I guess my part two of my question. Do you feel like it's too late for me to check somebody about something they said years ago, even though I just found out about it? Hell no. It ain't too late to check nobody.

[Rory]

Sometimes you have to DM someone. Die slowly.

[Maul]

Yeah, you. Next time you see that, tell him, die slow. We got. I got some shit for you.

[Rory]

Some shit for you.

[Maul]

Die slow. It ain't never too late to check nobody, especially when it all makes sense. When the math come together and you like, wait, hold up. This nigga just try. Nah, he ain't going. And it's the best time when they not expecting it. Like, it's years later. So homie not expecting to be checked about some shit he said years ago.

[Rory]

Yeah, I'm trying to get away from this type of behavior, though.

[Maul]

Nah, fuck that. Fuck that. Rory, even recently, you've been too nice.

[Rory]

I'm in limbo right now.

[Maul]

Walk over.

[Rory]

You walk with this very same thing of post, the whole tweet thing. Somebody had told me something somebody had said, and it was one of those, yo, this you moments of, like, I could show you text messages and this person was saying something about me, and it was the complete opposite of what's in a text message. I did want to be like, yo, this you moment.

[Maul]

So why didn't you?

[Damaris]

Because.

[Rory]

But what is it gonna solve?

[Maul]

Fuck that. For what?

[Damaris]

For what? Yeah.

[Maul]

Nah, we being too nice.

[Rory]

No, I just now know not to.

[Maul]

Fuck with that person. Man. You see you be too n nice walk. Think they can just say whatever, do whatever. Sometimes you gotta slap blood out of mouth. So he tastes his DNA and then keep my name out your mouth.

[Rory]

You have have told our audience before that I have always been the part I will approach someone in two fucking seconds to say something to somebody. That's always been my thing. But it's never solved. Like never solved anything.

[Maul]

But I just want to see.

[Rory]

Just like it never went anywhere like that mattered. That like. All right, cool. Now. Now what?

[Maul]

No, I feel you though. I mean sometimes you can't get nobody your energy. But I do think if somebody I.

[Rory]

Understand we say, like I interacted with this person. I wish I would have known this is how they felt. Because now I'm sitting here kikiing because that's your friend and like this and that I, I can. I understand that part. But then that's just going to put you down in the rabbit hole of anything that her friends have ever said about you. Now you got to be concerned about. No, that's just none of you. No, no, it's not even your business.

[Maul]

No, no. Just to disrespect, keep people at bay.

[Rory]

And check through with disrespect.

[Maul]

Disrespect. It's okay to check. Disrespect. Sometimes you don't have to respond to everything. But if this dude is talking to this dude's wife about him.

[Rory]

No, I know. Period.

[Maul]

First of all, don't even. Matter of fact, now you can't talk to my wife no more.

[Damaris]

I just, I mean, I get it. I feel like if it's been so long, like there's no point in getting yourself riled up about it. The next time he say something to you, you just say, yo, suck my dick. And he gonna know why.

[Maul]

Well, see, but now we find fighting. Yeah, I ain't trying to fight. I ain't trying to finna tussle with none of you.

[Rory]

But see, I'm on the side that, that my wife, girl, whatever, her friends are not my friends. And you make that mistake thinking that they are. They're always gonna be on her side.

[Maul]

But you gotta be cultural with them.

[Rory]

Like I, I've been through that with long term relationship and then another long term relationship. And I remember when we had had split, I think like threads on IG had just happened and she had tweeted something about flowers or something.

[Maul]

Something.

[Rory]

And one of her friends was like every girl deserves. I was like, I was just. I just went to one of your comedy shows you piece of how you mad And I had to remind myself that that's not my friend. That's her friend.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And once you get in the weeds of that. Yeah. It's not. These people were. They'll turn on you.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But their. Their priority whether even if it's positive, negative, in between haters. Not their only priority is the person you're with. It's not you that's their friend.

[Maul]

Yeah but it's. I'm not expecting much. Still disrespect though. You gotta check disrespect as men. You gotta check disrespect. Not all the time, but if he's talking to my wife about me saying something slick about me to my wife. Absolutely. You gotta check that.

[Rory]

Nah, you just gotta hand him a hundred dollars.

[Maul]

Nah, you gotta check that because first of all, why you talking to my wife?

[Rory]

I do got money. What's up?

[Maul]

Like, you must be like you trying to of like make me look like less of a man to my wife. Like you got. You got a little wandering out.

[Rory]

I'm more concerned what my wife said to him back.

[Maul]

But that's why sometimes you gotta approach it.

[Rory]

That's what I. He could say whatever. That's not my. He owes me nothing.

[Maul]

But in you approaching homie, you get more information. Nah, I never said that. Your wife was telling me that you had just got laid off. And now you know that your wife is talking to another man about your personal shit.

[Rory]

Yeah, but mean and I assume it's a gay bestie if they're talking that way.

[Maul]

Maybe not.

[Rory]

Well that was unfair to put on the gay community. I'm just saying I would never. I would never say that to Damaris like that. That's. That's crazy to say to your female friend. No.

[Maul]

About her boyfriend.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, I have. Demaris and I had full blown conversations about her relationships. My relationships advice. Of course.

[Maul]

Course.

[Rory]

Have we probably been like, yo, maybe that person before. Sure. Something like that though he must have money. That's an insult to her.

[Maul]

Not really. He know. He know his friend.

[Rory]

But he was alluding to that not being true at all. He could have money, but he's saying that that's not why his wife. His wife loves him. That's. That's wild to say. That's not a friend, bro. You know the crazy shit is if I said that to you, Damaris you would. You would feel away.

[Damaris]

If you know your friend, then if you say that to me, there's a reason you're saying that to me. You see what I'm saying?

[Maul]

So I. Damaris, if I saw your boyfriend outside cheating, you would want me to tell you?

[Damaris]

What?

[Rory]

Why.

[Damaris]

Why are you asking me to tell you?

[Maul]

I'm just asking.

[Rory]

That's Damaris, a scientist. She don't care.

[Maul]

I'm just. That's Demaris Society.

[Rory]

I'm meeting my friends today. I apologize.

[Damaris]

Like he just said. I would never say some shit to my friends.

[Maul]

That's the marriage scientist.

[Rory]

Five seconds ago, he just said that I would snitch.

[Maul]

No, but damn, you ain't even let Damaris answer the question.

[Damaris]

Ma, you better tell me. You better tell me.

[Maul]

Okay, I'm just gonna. Cause if y' all listen, I've been.

[Damaris]

One of y' all bitches look like they breathing on a nigga. Bacon, egg and cheese. I'm telling.

[Maul]

No, but I've been down this road with a friend before, and they. I told you. He cut me off and they got married and got kids.

[Damaris]

I would want you to tell me. I would want you to tell me. I would want you to tell me.

[Maul]

I want you to tell me now. Part two to the question. I tell you. Yo, Damaris, I just seen your man. He out with some chick. Da, da, da. Do you tell him that your ma said he saw you?

[Damaris]

If he.

[Maul]

How you giving it to him if he saw you?

[Damaris]

He know you telling me already.

[Maul]

Yeah, he saw me. He saw you.

[Rory]

He knows you.

[Damaris]

He knows I ain't got to. I'm just gonna call him like you would be. He gonna know it's you anyway. He gonna know. He gonna expect for you to tell me how he gonna be mad at you.

[Maul]

You ain't his homeboy, all right?

[Rory]

I wouldn't even be mad at that. I wouldn't be mad at that.

[Maul]

Third part of the question. Are you gonna dump him? Cause now it's awkward if y' all stay together. You bring this nigga around and. I done told you that I wouldn't bring him around.

[Damaris]

I don't know. I don't. It would depend. It would depend on the scenario. I don't know. He might be cheating back. He might be getting his lick back. Going like, damn, you caught him getting his lick back. I don't know. I don't know.

[Maul]

Yeah, but tell me.

[Rory]

You see you listening too much.

[Maul]

Cause if I know he cheated. If I know you cheated. If I first. I don't know. If I'm telling you that he cheating. If I know you cheated on him first. I don't know.

[Rory]

Oh yeah? Well, I don't cheat on black men. Don't cheat.

[Maul]

Gotta kick in. Like yeah. I'm like, nah bro.

[Damaris]

Black women don't cheat. Especially the girls with the caramel skin. We don't cheat.

[Maul]

Who we thank you for the call.

[Rory]

We're gonna stop lying on the spot.

[Maul]

Yeah, like thank you for the voicemail, man. Black women peanut butter skin don't get you talk about yo Peach. What you talk about? He don't brown.

[Rory]

Peanut butter brown all the way down.

[Maul]

The main ones that's cheating is the peanut butter skin.

[Rory]

I know Damaris cheated and I see her man out getting his lick back. I'm not even going to be like, yo, she got a friend.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

No, you not. You gonna tell.

[Maul]

You gonna tell me Rory.

[Damaris]

You're definitely gonna tell me if Rory been cheating on him. I'm not telling.

[Maul]

Why? That's crazy.

[Rory]

That's crazy.

[Damaris]

I'm not telling even.

[Rory]

Come on, let's do that. We've had scenarios where I've told a guy that wanted to get at you like that you have to break up with your girl.

[Damaris]

He gonna do is crash out and not leave. He not gonna leave. He gonna crash out. There's no point.

[Rory]

Wait, you think crash if my girl is cheating on me?

[Maul]

I'm not saying not leaving is funny. Cuz what that look like? Like what your crash out and then now you not going to.

[Damaris]

You gonna crash out and lay down.

[Rory]

I'm not doing that. I don't like this false perception.

[Maul]

I'll let the jokes definitely crash out and cuddle right now.

[Rory]

I've crashed out and cuddled. Don't get me wrong. But not cuz she cheated.

[Maul]

I was joking.

[Rory]

Not cuz she cheated. No, I've had. Have I had a argument with my significant other?

[Maul]

Argument and crash out is different.

[Rory]

Oh, okay.

[Maul]

Crash out.

[Rory]

Crash out then.

[Maul]

Meaning you in the house breaking like. Like you crashing out. You going cr. Like like the cops might be on the way.

[Rory]

Well, I mean then I have to get low. I don't have time to.

[Damaris]

You started a podcast with this.

[Maul]

That mean crashing out and cuddling right after the question.

[Rory]

I want like as a crash.

[Maul]

Like that's a mental like you it's something wrong with you that you can switch from there.

[Damaris]

I've crashed out and cuddled before. I can't.

[Maul]

But we know it's something wrong with you. Like that's you you. That's like a How do you swing that fast through emotions?

[Damaris]

Because after an extreme up, there's an extreme down, and you don't want to be alone through the extreme down.

[Rory]

I mean, some couples just crashed out on.

[Damaris]

Damn.

[Maul]

Yo, y', all.

[Rory]

When I think so when I think crash out, I'm thinking, like, y', all, like, like, fighting. For real, to me, that would be a crash.

[Maul]

Well, not physical. I'm not putting your hands.

[Rory]

That's where I was like, no, I've never crashed out in cuddle, which, like, I've never crashed out, period, in that regard. But have people had crazy arguments like that?

[Maul]

I've never crashed out. You grabbed. I saw your hand in DC, bro.

[Damaris]

You crashed out.

[Maul]

Oh, my God. That was a crash out. That was a crash out.

[Rory]

Please.

[Maul]

That was a crash out.

[Rory]

You have to put context to that, because people are going to think something way different.

[Maul]

You did the white boy shit. You punched the window.

[Rory]

Like, it's not how it went down.

[Maul]

Well, I don't know how it went down. You needed stitches. That's a crash. Whenever you gotta go get stitched up, that's a crash out.

[Rory]

I was on defense.

[Maul]

Okay, I'm sorry.

[Rory]

And that was not a physical altercation.

[Maul]

No, it's not physical.

[Ad/Promo Voice 3]

No.

[Maul]

You're not putting your hands on nobody. But I'm saying white boys crash out. They start breaking shit that's theirs, then they gotta clean it all up. Rory's ocd, so now he gonna have to vacuum everything and.

[Rory]

For sure.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

And then go lay down.

[Maul]

And then go lay down. That is crazy to me. I'm sorry. Somebody gotta leave. Like, she either gotta go, or I'm going to stay somewhere else.

[Rory]

No, at this point, even with arguments like, yeah, we should probably just go in our stuff, separate areas and calm down. But there's definitely. I've been in relationships where you have a crazy argument and then you resolve it.

[Maul]

The marriage was over. Like, you hungry? She asked a n if he was.

[Damaris]

That bitch could starve.

[Rory]

She.

[Maul]

I'mma cook, I'mma clean you. That's definitely the marriage.

[Damaris]

I definitely ruined the party before and then, like, ended up, like, we just.

[Maul]

Went home for sure after ruining the party.

[Rory]

I've definitely been in, like, we want.

[Damaris]

Everybody else night, and we're home.

[Maul]

What do y' all be doing in y'. All. I feel like I don't know y'. All.

[Rory]

Because you've never, like, fully lived with somebody. Somebody where. Yes. You guys have loud arguments, and then you'd be like, yo, I'm about to order Uber Eats. What you want. Like that's. That's more common than you think. It is more.

[Maul]

But that's not a crash.

[Damaris]

I argue, but I don't do that with people.

[Maul]

I was about to lie.

[Damaris]

I stopped myself. Sorry, go ahead.

[Maul]

Mary said she ruined a party.

[Rory]

We ruined a party.

[Maul]

And then they left it.

[Damaris]

Well, I ain't ruining. He ruined it doing dumb. But we ruined. We ruined everybody night and it ended up going home together.

[Maul]

It's crazy.

[Damaris]

It happens. It was toxic.

[Maul]

I've grown.

[Damaris]

I would never do that now, but. But you know, it happens. It's.

[Rory]

Cause you don't be at parties.

[Maul]

Y' all did the nasty that night.

[Damaris]

No, we didn't.

[Maul]

She lying.

[Ad/Promo Voice 3]

I swear to God.

[Damaris]

I swear to God we didn't. I swear to God we didn't. We slept back to back, mad as fuck.

[Maul]

I'm gonna come.

[Damaris]

We slept back to back, mad as fuck. Woke up the next morning arguing.

[Maul]

Oh, y' all are crazy. Yeah. Yeah, y'.

[Damaris]

All.

[Maul]

He is that man no longer in your life. I would hope so, because you don't need that. Like, she's crazy, you're crazy, and he's crazy. Y' all need to get away from each other. Like, leave each other alone.

[Rory]

That's called passion.

[Maul]

No, that's called toxicity.

[Damaris]

That's toxic.

[Rory]

Oh, no. For sure. It's a toxic relationship. Yeah, but that's more common than I think you think it is.

[Maul]

No, toxic relationships are very common. Two minutes ago, I just. Listen, everybody shut the up. It's been a pleasure talking to y'.

[Ad/Promo Voice 2]

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[Maul]

Y' all have a great weekend. Be safe, be blessed. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger.

[Damaris]

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[Damaris]

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[Maul]

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[Maul]

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[Rory]

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[Maul]

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[Rory]

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