Episode 448 | Birthday Blizzard

Summary

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New Rory & MAL – Episode 448 | "Birthday Blizzard"

Release Date: January 29, 2026
Podcast Hosts: Rory, Ma(l), Damaris
Special Guest: Simba

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Episode Overview

This episode—titled "Birthday Blizzard"—dives into hip-hop's current events, centering on J. Cole’s surprise four-song "mixtape" and its context in the ongoing, much-publicized feuds and dialogues among rap’s elite. The crew dissects not just the music itself but also issues of authenticity, rivalry, media engagement, industry manipulation, and the ever-evolving business of rap. They’re joined by Simba, a rising lyricist who is named in Cole’s tracks, for an honest, playful phone-in, and the hosts debate the nuances of rap “shots,” respect, and competitive culture.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. J. Cole’s "Birthday Blizzard" Mixtape & The Art of Rap "Shots"

Starts ~03:00

• The hosts immediately delve into J. Cole’s new four-track mixtape, which dropped unexpectedly, fueling buzz about whom he’s referencing, the mixtape’s intent, and the return of “real hip-hop.”
  • Iconic Beats: Cole raps over sacrosanct instrumentals ("Victory," "Money, Power, Respect," "Black Rob," "Can I Live," "Who Shot Ya?"), prompting debate about the culture of freestyling over classic beats.
    • “These are the four. These have been the four for quite some time...I enjoy. Because you’re saying something.” – Damaris (04:02)
• The crew debates whether Cole's criticisms and shots are directed at content creators, streamers, other rappers, or the whole media ecosystem.
  • “He’s talking to people who be dick riding or hating for engagement, period. Doesn’t matter what you do.” – Rory (08:00)

2. Simba Joins the Conversation – Respect or Diss?

Simba calls in at 12:12

• Simba clarifies that his track referencing Cole wasn't a diss, but his expression of disappointment in Cole stepping back from the Kendrick/Drake beef. As a product of battle rap, Simba sees call-and-response lyricism as the genre’s lifeblood.
  • “We all look at Cole like one of the God MCs and we wanted to see him engage in that battle...I went in this booth and rapped about it.” – Simba (13:09)
• The podcast treats Cole referencing Simba as both a play on “Young Simba” (Cole’s old moniker) and a subtle jab—yet Simba sees it as a badge of respect:
  • “For him to mention me, for him to take the time to address—that is all we kind of ask for in hip hop.” – Simba (14:20)
• Lighthearted banter follows about escalating the back-and-forth with shiny-suit references and paying homage to classic rap visuals.

3. Rap Music, Content Creation, & Engagement—Where’s the Line?

Main theme from ~18:00–30:00

• Damaris and Rory examine whether Cole’s criticism of media, “Dick riding or hating,” applies even to themselves as podcasters. They reflect on whether engaging in debate and coverage is part of today’s artist-fan ecosystem or if it crosses into toxic commentary for clicks.
  • “We pod for the moment. Why can’t rappers rap for the moment?...To me, that’s more honorable than yapping.” – Damaris (20:32)
• All agree that, historically, the most respected artists addressed conflicts on record rather than in interviews or on social media—a tradition that’s being tested by contemporary content creation.

4. Cole, Drake, and Kendrick—The Falloff of the “Big Three”?

Heated debate starts ~37:30

• Mall relentlessly pushes for Cole to explain his behavior—why he distanced himself from Drake after their collaboration and Kendrick phone call, and whether Cole’s lyrics now ring hollow after publicly “bowing out” of the beef.
  • “If you back down out of a fade—a battle—you can’t start talking like ns don’t want issues with you. The n** that said something to you wanted an issue, you shot back and then apologized. What is that?” – Mall (41:06)
• Rory and Damaris push back, maintaining that rappers can and should address their lives and controversies in their music—so long as it’s genuine.
  • “I want Drake to address it. I want Cole to address it. And I want Kendrick to even address coming out of everything that happened.” – Damaris (40:17)
• The group candidly discusses “friendship vs. business” among top artists and how betrayals/alliances play into public perception and lyricism.

5. Cole’s Authenticity, Manipulation & The Business of the Mixtape

In-depth at ~58:00–77:00

• Ma(l) accuses Cole and his management of being intentionally manipulative by leveraging nostalgia, classic beats, and exclusive merchandise to rally fan support post-controversy.
  • “He finds his way back in our hearts. He does that. He gave us a dollar in the dream…They do little sht like that.”* – Mall (60:09)
• The pod applauds Cole’s direct-to-fan vinyl sales and the trend of top-tier artists circumventing streaming for more control and profit—a potential industry-shifting move.
  • “We should start getting used to back to buying a CD…I’m giving J. Cole my $12. I’m not giving Spotify my $12 a month.” – Damaris (73:16)
• The hosts make fine distinctions between honest entrepreneurship and “number-fudging” (manipulating chart placement with bundles, etc.).

6. The Lucian Grainge / Universal Bar

Addressed at ~78:00

• The team unpacks Cole’s line about major labels (“for crumbs comes to Lucian”), seeing it as more self-reflective and a commentary on a broken industry than a direct diss at Drake’s ongoing legal saga.
  • “I think this is just a representation of everybody, including Cole himself, that has sold their soul and their music to a major label. We’ve all done it. We’ve all f**ed up.”* – Damaris (80:41)

7. Hip Hop Legacy; Aging Lyricists & ‘Big Three’ Fatigue

From ~56:40 onward

• The conversation touches on J. Cole’s formidable rapping at age 41, and how that compares to prior generations of elite MCs.
• Mall expresses that Cole’s appeal is “not the same” post-controversy, likening the disappointment to learning a lover has been unfaithful.
  • “You never look at her the same no more, no matter what. Even if she share her location…It’s just something about you.” – Mall (84:03)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Real Hip-Hop’s Resilience
  “Real hip hop is back. I’m saying, where’d it go? Looking shaky for a while. I don’t know. Shaky for a while. I don’t know.” – Rory (03:11)

• On the Culture of “Dissing”
  “It’s just rap. That’s what it’s called. It’s just rap.” – Mall (19:37)
  “I think it’s also great that Cole felt [Simba is] obviously worthy enough for somewhat a response to that. I’m curious why Freddie Gibbs didn’t get one yet, but we’ll get to that in a second.” – Damaris (18:43)

• On Transparency and Rap’s “Pick and Choose”
  “The picking and choosing got to stop, bro. That’s all I’m saying.” – Mall (27:51)

• On Public Persona vs. Private Moves
  “Don’t try to act like the soul righteous, ‘Nah, my brother’. Man, we shouldn’t be doing this, man…” – Mall on Cole (61:51)
  “He better explain why he had that conversation with Kendrick…And then you never spoke to Drake again. Now tell the world why you did that. I need to know why he did that.” – Mall (42:13)

• On the Rap Game’s Business Evolution
  “I love that he did that. That’s not manipulation. We need to encourage this type of.” – Damaris, on Cole’s direct-to-fan strategy (73:31)

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Highlighted Timestamps

• 03:00 – First reactions to J. Cole’s tape
• 04:02–05:11 – Debate over classic freestyle beats and homage
• 11:34–16:27 – Simba’s call-in, Simba’s perspective on the Cole mention
• 18:41–25:59 – Simba discussion and the handling of “dissing vs. reporting”
• 41:06–45:00 – Mall demands clarity on Cole/Drake fallout, friendship vs. loyalty
• 54:55–56:40 – The difference between mixtape-era rapping and “mixtape for the moment” authenticity
• 56:40 – Comparing late-career elite MCs; Big Three fatigue
• 60:09–62:14 – Is Cole “manipulating” fans' nostalgia or just great at surprise drops?
• 73:16–77:44 – The case for artists owning their sales pipeline; “pay a dollar to the artist” advocacy
• 78:08–81:38 – Unpacking the “Lucian Grainge” bar and major label critiques
• 82:21–85:12 – Do Cole’s bars “land” after the apology/battle retreat?
• 88:09–89:00 – The value of heated, passionate debate among friends and podcasters

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Tone & Takeaways

Lively, combative, humorous, and informative, the episode balances genuine fandom, critical analysis, and playful roasting. Rory and Damaris generally bring more measured takes, with Mall (often the provocateur) holding the line on artistic integrity and authenticity. Simba’s appearance provides unique context from hip-hop's next generation. The episode is ultimately an honest conversation about music's roles—art, sport, commerce—and where today's artists and fans fit within that continuum.

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A must-listen episode for anyone following the J. Cole/Kendrick/Drake saga, fans interested in the evolution of artist-fan dynamics, or those simply looking for thoughtful, high-energy rap commentary.

Transcript

[Rory]

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[Rory]

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[Simba]

The Volume.

[Mall]

No worry.

[Rory]

And now, happy birthday to you.

[Damaris]

Oh, my God.

[Mall]

What's up?

[Rory]

Y' all ain't in a good mood?

[Damaris]

No, I'm in a great mood.

[Rory]

All right.

[Damaris]

No, I mean, I was admiring your Marilyn Monroe. Happy birthday. Sing. So you think JCole was Mr. President.

[Rory]

Happy birthday, Mr. President.

[Damaris]

Yeah, right in front of his wife. Yo, Maryland was crazy.

[Rory]

And I'm on the same time.

[Mall]

Yeah, I'm sorry.

[Rory]

My bad, my bad, my bad.

[Damaris]

All right, well, happy, happy Boost birthday Blizzard, presented by Boost and birthday Blizzards. And Damaris is singing. We are back. I mean, me and Damaris are back.

[Rory]

More back.

[Damaris]

We back. Me, Jcole and Damaris are back.

[Rory]

Yeah, for sure. Hip hop back. Real hip hop is back.

[Damaris]

I. I've always hated that line.

[Rory]

Yeah, real hip hop is back. I'm saying, where'd it go? Looking shaky for a while. I don't know. Shaky for a while. I don't know.

[Damaris]

We were. Damaris, we were debating off mic, me and Peej earlier, if we were gonna get mute Maul today if we were just gonna get sit in the chair like, no, y' all got it. This is y' all guy. Y' all speak.

[Mall]

That's what y' all was debating.

[Damaris]

He always do that in a very funny way.

[Rory]

He'll do that, and he'll be like, nah, y' all got it. And then he be like, let me ask you something.

[Damaris]

Every time.

[Rory]

No, no, no. He be like, okay, so you're telling me always. He always fake be mute, and he can't help himself.

[Damaris]

And usually I sort of understand the silence in these moments, but I don't know mall to be silent when he getting dissed like this.

[Rory]

Don't do that.

[Damaris]

Where Cole is rapping over the victory beat. Money, power, respect, Black Rob. Can I live? And then who shot you? Four beats that are kind of sacred in all of freestyle hip hop. They. They may be. If you. If you ask Chat GBT what beats have been wrapped over more. I almost felt like in the Dreamville, like, brainstorm sessions, maybe. They did ask Chat GBT that he picked the four most wrapped over freestyles, which I. I enjoy. Because you're saying something. First you going off what Biggie did, then, you know, you going off what Lloyd Banks did. There's. There's years of clue freestyles and flex freestyles over these beats specifically. I think the only other one I could think of is that. That New York minute beat. But these are the four. These have been the four for quite some time. Out the gate, track number one, which is over victory, is called. He didn't call it Victory. He didn't call it Cole.

[Mall]

He can't call it Cole.

[Podcast Narrator]

Clue.

[Damaris]

Freestyle over victory beat number one.

[Mall]

He can't.

[Damaris]

He called it Bronx Zoo. Freestyle.

[Mall]

Yeah, say that.

[Damaris]

Where is Maul from the Bronx.

[Mall]

Dangerous part of the Bronx after leaving.

[Damaris]

A field trip from where did I lose my virginity?

[Mall]

He ain't coming to 190 with a question, I'll tell you that.

[Damaris]

No, Cole's really into the virginity thing. He has the song and everything. So I kind of took this as a personal shot. And I don't think we're being vain. I think it's. It's clear as day that Cole cares that much about us that he. With the crafted mind that he has. Name the first one Bronx Zoo. Because he knows Mall is from the Bronx. He knows that after I left the Bronx Zoo, I lost my virginity. So I. I took this as a personal shot.

[Mall]

Okay. Yeah. Great.

[Rory]

Would you like me to read the line?

[Mall]

I would love for you to. Really? Can you rap the line to Maris? Don't just read it. You gotta write.

[Damaris]

I know.

[Mall]

She knows the cadence. She knows the branch that he took that I'm not gonna wear.

[Damaris]

She knows how to rap. Yeah.

[Mall]

And you rap and you a RA So therefore, give us the bar. Don't say the bars.

[Rory]

No, I'm not gonna do that. I will read the bars, but the bars that I think Rory is referring to will be somewhere along the way. I hate to say we lost shame. Grown men peddling gossip, of all things. I remember when it was rapping and ball playing. Now the bread and butters. Yeah, I'm rapping automatically. I ain't even mean to. My bad. Now the bread and butter.

[Damaris]

Every syllable does that, right?

[Mall]

Just pulls you in.

[Damaris]

When you're the greatest rapper of all time. That's just how the shit works.

[Mall]

You read it that way when you're such a Shakespeare.

[Damaris]

See, now you hating.

[Mall]

What? That's hate. He's a poet. That's hate. J. Cole.

[Damaris]

I didn't like the tone. I didn't like the tone.

[Mall]

Cole is a poet.

[Rory]

So why are you smiling when you say it? I don't like that. It's serious.

[Damaris]

Do you think J. Cole is up there with Shakespeare? Because I do.

[Mall]

I do, too.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Mall]

I just want to make sure you.

[Damaris]

Ain'T say that with the tone.

[Mall]

He's right there. It's Shakespeare. And Cole.

[Damaris]

See, now the tone.

[Rory]

Now the bread and butter is yapping.

[Damaris]

Where out there is not that dope? Go ahead.

[Rory]

Now the bread and butter is yapping and parlaying. Oh, man, your name's a big conversation goes into a max deal for basketball.

[Damaris]

And we just got the master.

[Rory]

Nowadays you can make a grip commentating if you master two skills, either dick riding or hating. Just look around. The hating and dick riding is blatant. Tell mama your ticket to finally live out of her basement was found in one magical word, and it's engagement.

[Damaris]

I don't think that's my mole. I think that's just a general shot to the entire media community. Not just streamers, not just podcasters, not just people that still write journal like real journalists. And to Twitter. Twitter Spaces Clubhouse. This is to literally everybody.

[Mall]

All right, can we pause right there? So he's rapping about everybody else other than another rapper.

[Rory]

I don't. That's.

[Mall]

Proceed. Go ahead.

[Rory]

You act like he's dissing everybody else with another rapper.

[Damaris]

It's four records, and we're talking about the first.

[Mall]

I'm just saying that.

[Damaris]

12 bars.

[Mall]

The Stanza that Damaris just wrote just read, right? Who's he talking about? He's talking about content creators, podcasters, streamers, everybody other than rappers.

[Rory]

Okay, if we gonna have this type of episode.

[Mall]

No, I'm just saying if we going. We going through. We're going through the bars. Okay, y' all started breaking down. I'm just going through the. I'm just. I'm trying to follow what y' all were listening to, and we all listen to together. I'm just trying to figure out if we all are on the same page, that's all.

[Damaris]

Well, here's the thing. I don't take any offense to this whatsoever.

[Mall]

I'm just trying to understand who he's talking to.

[Damaris]

I'm just saying. I know that there was reaction of content creators that felt that's kind of like Hit Dog. Hit Dog hollers in that regard. Like, I don't think this is offensive. It is. It is. If you're doing some weirdo.

[Mall]

Who said offensive, but. No, I said, who was he talking to? Who was he talking about?

[Rory]

He. He talking to people who be dick riding or hating.

[Mall]

Cool.

[Damaris]

And. And on top of that, rappers included.

[Rory]

Well, this section is not about rappers.

[Mall]

So he's not talking about.

[Rory]

Well, hey, hold on. Cause.

[Nav Green]

Hold on.

[Rory]

Cause he does bring up. Okay, rappers who be potting like they intersect.

[Mall]

Okay, so he is talking about rappers, but only if they're podcasts no, in.

[Rory]

This stanza, he's talking about anybody who dick riding or hating for engagement, period. Doesn't matter what you do. Doesn't matter.

[Mall]

Just around the world.

[Rory]

Around the world if you dick riding or hating for engagement.

[Mall]

Got it. Okay, go.

[Rory]

Just saying.

[Damaris]

You do know he continues on to talk about rappers throughout this mixtape.

[Mall]

And I was just talking about that part. That part that we read. Got you just going through that part.

[Damaris]

All right. Can I ask you why you're asking us that question specifically?

[Mall]

Y' all was breaking down bars.

[Damaris]

I don't know if there's anything behind why.

[Mall]

No, I'm just trying to. I'm just trying to make sure we all on the same page.

[Rory]

Always being passive aggressive.

[Mall]

I'm asking a question. I don't even want to assume nothing. I want to make sure that we all listen and feel the same way about what we. What we heard. And I'm not.

[Damaris]

Even though I think that's a great observation, masterfully put together. You have a podcast, J. Cole, you and E was yapping all that amazing shit about your story.

[Rory]

You know that.

[Damaris]

That's paid for it.

[Rory]

I loved it. You know that. That's not comparable. It's a false. False.

[Damaris]

No, see, I don't think it is. And that goes back to the Hit Dog thing. There's a lot of people yapping and putting gambling ads onto their shit that are still putting out positive content and cool shit. Yeah, I was yapping too. It's just good content.

[Rory]

Okay, but he didn't talk about engagement bait and dick riding hate and negativity. That's what he addressed in the verse. He said it in the verse. So it'. Compare. That has nothing to one has nothing to do with the other.

[Damaris]

I don't think I've ever dick rode. I probably hated before.

[Rory]

You've dick rolled before who? We've all dick roll before.

[Damaris]

You're the only one in this room that is.

[Rory]

And I don't mean that in a. Granted it is in a negative light, but we have all. Like, people will say that you was a Jay Z dick writer.

[Damaris]

No, I'm. I believe in honest truces and everything I say about Jay Z is a fact. If you choose. If you choose to feel like me telling you the facts of something is dick riding. That feels like a homoerotic experience you're trying to have.

[Brad Palumbo]

Okay.

[Rory]

Some people.

[Damaris]

If I say Jay Z is the greatest rapper of all time, it's the only time. It's not a biased thing. It's just a fact.

[Rory]

I see what type of episode.

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It's gonna be.

[Mall]

Something is up. I'm listening. I'm here to listen.

[Rory]

Okay, moving on to the next that people stanza. The next. Not the next stanza, but the next thing that people would want people to address or that people think is a shot. Whatever. Y' all toddlers to me. Stop bothering me. Young Simba. Some niggas threw some hate my way but the only thing they should say is call you like a father to me.

[Damaris]

All right, so obviously, if you're. If you're.

[Mall]

Stop right there. So is it safe to assume he's talking about Simba the rapper?

[Rory]

That's what everybody is gathering from it.

[Damaris]

Of course not, Mall. If you're a cold stand like myself. You know, one of his first records that popped him off and even, I mean, lost ones really got him signed to Roc Nation, But Young Simba was. Was a joint. Also a BB Guns and Aristotle video. He's in the alley, and I think on Canal. Yeah, that was his nickname on that mixtape. Young Simba, they had a visual.

[Mall]

So he's talking to himself in verse again.

[Damaris]

He's saying, no, it's Young Simba here.

[Mall]

Oh, got it. Okay, okay.

[Damaris]

Now, it may be a coincidence that right after he. Hey, Simba, you. Simba, you are live on Netflix on the new Rory and Mall podcast. And. And first. First of all, my brother, how are you? It's. It's good to hear your voice.

[Simba]

I'm really blessed. I'm riding in the car right now, pulling up to the studio, and I.

[Damaris]

Think, oh, I bet you are. So if we can give a bit of a backstory, I'm gonna take some credit for this, because after J. Cole apologized, you were watching our podcast in the studio, and then you said, you know what? I think I'm gonna go diss J. Cole.

[Simba]

I did not Disj Cole. Okay, first off, let me.

[Damaris]

You said you were just explaining what happened, right? You don't think. You didn't let Nas down. You let Boss down. Was not a diss. Right?

[Simba]

See, I'm from the Bay Area, man. You know, in Calif, we joke. A little aggressive.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Simba]

So we were having a conversation in the studio when it happened, and I think we all were a bit upset because at the end of the day, we all look at Cole like one of the God emcees, and we wanted to see him engage in that battle and being of the culture. Someone who grew up on smack DVDs, someone who grew up on battle rap, someone who grew up on watching backstage. You know, I was always Taught as a rapper, you were supposed to be prepared for war.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Simba]

So when he. When he backed out, it wasn't something that I was used to seeing. And as a rapper who loves to rap, I went in this booth and rapped about it. And I think it came off in a way to where I was dissing them, but it was really just reporting what was going on.

[Damaris]

Yeah, you're just a journalist reporting. I did love the freestyle. I think he went crazy, but that goes without saying. Now, I know you just said. I know you just said, he's a. He's a God mc. And I think we can all agree in that. But he said don't. He said specifically, Simba, don't call me a God mc. Call me your father.

[Simba]

Yeah, he called me. I think he's more like a cousin than a. Than a father, but we'll get to that pretty soon. But I will say. I will say this. I will say this. I took that as a sign of respect.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Simba]

For him to mention me, for him to take the time to address. That is all we kind of asked for in hip hop.

[Damaris]

Yeah. No, I agree.

[Simba]

You know what I mean? That's what the sport is about. It's about addressing things that was said. So I appreciate the respect of that, but you're not my father. My father. My father shot at police. He don't duck smoke. Okay, we'll talk about that.

[Damaris]

I hear you. I just want to paint the picture in here. Maul has moved the microphone. We're podcasting, and Maul doesn't have a mic.

[Cam Jordan]

You look.

[Simba]

You running?

[Mall]

No.

[Damaris]

That's why he got this, too.

[Simba]

Not running.

[Mall]

No.

[Simba]

All this. You didn't talk Mo. If anybody did, J. Cole, it was Mo.

[Mall]

I'm letting you speak for me right now, okay?

[Damaris]

Yo, Simba. Simba, you know how. I mean, I know Puff is taboo now, but you know how Puff started Victory4Big before he started rapping. Maybe Maul could do, you know, the sun don't shine forever. Like, maybe he could do that part for your diss back to Cole.

[Simba]

Should we wear shiny suits in the video, too?

[Mall]

We should. Yes, Simba, we definitely should.

[Simba]

Bring back.

[Damaris]

Well, no, no, no. That was the video when Puff was standing like a gargoyle at the top of the. They was. They was past the shiny. Nah, Ma has to pop the dis off.

[Simba]

Yeah, I gotta come see y' all more. We gotta have a serious talk about this. But I'm gonna wait till I' ma wait till I finish doing what I'm doing. So we could talk about it in person. You're going to be very proud of this, brother. Molly gonna be very proud of me.

[Mall]

Listen, I'm looking forward. I'm looking forward to you coming to New York so we can sit down on Netflix and. And shake shit up over here, man.

[Simba]

Well, before we go to Netflix, can we go to Starlet's?

[Mall]

We could definitely do that.

[Damaris]

Yes. We can go to Starlets.

[Mall]

We can do that.

[Simba]

Okay.

[Mall]

We gotta do that. It's only right we do that.

[Simba]

Let's do that first and then we get on Netflix and talk about it all. But no. Shout out to J. Cole, bro. Shout out to the project. I'm excited to hear what he got cooking up on the 6th of February. We all been waiting for the fall off, but we're not gonna let that slide. Cole. I will see everybody in February.

[Damaris]

Are you. Are you gonna go back to your hometown for the Super Bowl? I was. I was thinking about. I was thinking about stopping by.

[Simba]

You guys should come through. I'm actually streaming from this the Starter Store in San Francisco for two days straight.

[Damaris]

Oh, okay.

[Mall]

Oh.

[Damaris]

So you have to have a lot of disses on deck.

[Simba]

I got a lot of people coming. I got wallow coming. My guy Matt Sandler's coming. We got a lot of guests coming through. You guys should definitely stop through. If you guys gonna be in the super bowl, shout out to the Russell as well. He's performing at the tailgate at the super bowl. And a lot of times when these events is in the Bay Area, a lot of us get boxed out. So for him to get that moment, I'm very proud of bro. And I want to salute bro man. Just as a culture. Let' important, bro.

[Damaris]

Yeah, absolutely. Shout out to the Russell and congrats on. On that. That's amazing. Definitely. And anyone listening, if you're out there, go to the you said it's starter tent. You're streaming that?

[Simba]

Yeah, at the Starter Store. San Francisco. Thursday, February 5th and Friday, February 6th. I'll be there all day. We got a bunch of guests coming. We're gonna have a lot of fun and put on for the Bay Area in a real way.

[Damaris]

Now I want to plug that because I'm very proud of everything you've been doing streaming. But this is leaning more into what Cole is saying when he's dissing all of us in the room. You include. We just be yapping. Now, is this. Is this sponsored by maybe Hard Rock, bet?

[Simba]

No, it's actually sponsored by.

[Damaris]

We're gonna have to Cut that. So I love you, bro. I'm gonna call you when we done recording Facetime. Me, Because I, I want to hear at least, at least the first few bars of this.

[Simba]

You want to hear the first few bars or the first song?

[Damaris]

Oh, I'm gonna call, I'm gonna call you when we done.

[Mall]

Over. So I'm done. So I'm done. I love y.

[Damaris]

That was Simba, one of the best current rappers, lyricists, everything you want to say, we love Simba.

[Mall]

Yo, I just, you know, I just. Listen, man, I'm. I'm a hip hop baby, man. I just love when the rappers rap, that's all.

[Damaris]

I hope they don't. Well, they're gonna do this regardless because the Internet Sima did what he was supposed to do after that. Rappers are allowed to rap about what's happening. Cole did the DJ Clue freestyle thing. Rappers used to go up to Clue, flex anything that was happening. If, if Plaxco just shot himself in the leg, you're gonna get seven fab bars the next day about what's happening with.

[Mall]

Remember, remember that's how it used to be. Remember that?

[Damaris]

So I, I never like that no more. And no one really sat there and was like, yo, Fab is dissing Plaxco. Like, no, he's just rapping about what's happening. So I, I thought what, what Sim did was what rappers should do. I don't think it was clout chasing. I think it's just what the rap game is now. I think it's also great that Cole felt he's obviously worthy enough for somewhat a response to that. I'm curious why Freddie Gibbs didn't get one yet, but we'll get to that in a second. He clearly has respect for Simba. I just hope the Internet doesn't try to paint Simba as someone that's clout chasing. Just because he said young Simba, they already know. Like, no, you don't know. You guys aren't rap fans. You'll know that Young Simba was a song. No, yeah, it's a play on words called.

[Mall]

They called Simba Cloud Chaser two years ago.

[Damaris]

I don't think he's dissing Simba the same way I don't think Simba was dissing him. It's just no wordplay shots back and forth.

[Mall]

Like, it's called rap. That's what it's called. It's just rap.

[Damaris]

Wait, you know, it's called rap, first of all. All right. Not to play the other side. No disrespect to you said he was healed. He's not healed. He's still shooting.

[Rory]

No, no disrespect to Simba. I have. I have already had this conversation with y'. All. If you're just making a song and you throw a couple shots about let Nas down, Boss down and cause down, which I think is a hilarious bar, I've always. If that just comes out in a song, you already doing fine. If you go to the studio and record a video with a whole song, doing that whole thing, there was a reason why you did that. We all know what the reason why he did that was like. We're not going to sit up here and pretend. Oh, it's just, you know, Plexico shot himself in the leg.

[Damaris]

Fab said that he wasn't.

[Rory]

Dis a Fab. That's bullshit. That's bullshit. Jcole handicapped himself when he dropped out of that battle, and everybody took it as open season.

[Damaris]

Andre Cole, the whole style wasn't dedicated to that, but there was definitely.

[Rory]

You remember it for anything else?

[Damaris]

No, but it was okay. Simba does a lot of freestyles and that's what's up. Of course it had to do that, but what's wrong with that? We tweet for the moment. We pod for the moment. Why can't rappers rap for the moment? Everyone strings in the moment. Because, matter of fact, we have nobody now. We can't even.

[Mall]

Lose yourself in the music. The moment you own it, you better never let it go. You only get one shot. Do not miss your chance at opportunity.

[Rory]

Do not miss your chance to blow this opportunity comes once.

[Mall]

Whatever.

[Damaris]

He only did that so he didn't get flagged. Yeah, because it was too good.

[Rory]

Because he was just. He sounded just like Eminem, right? Like I said, respect to some of. Some of.

[Damaris]

He's sweet.

[Rory]

He's a good rapper.

[Damaris]

But in this. In this era, though, with everything. We even talk in the group chat. Damn emergency pod. When something drops at minute. Oh, should we. Should we get on stream this and that?

[Rory]

I mean, that's fine.

[Damaris]

This J. Cole dropped six hours ago and we're already late to reply. So why can't a rapper just go and rap about what's going on?

[Rory]

Because these rappers would.

[Damaris]

To me, that's more honorable than yapping. Then coming up here with. With not a talent and just talking.

[Mall]

I'd rather that. I'd rather that than Simba go on a podcast and talk about it, which is fine.

[Damaris]

Which. We even used to give more respect when we'd be like, oh, hova, he'd only address it on a song. Like, rappers used to usually just address things on songs, things that have to do until. Until like Cam and Dipset and that era. And then the Locks came in and said they're gonna throw a fridge on Puff. And obviously those things happen, but usually fridge on somebody. Rappers and the Locks and Dipset always did it with raps, too. I'm not saying they was yapping. They was always rapping first, but then also did radio. We always was like, we respect more when you say it on record than an interview.

[Rory]

I respect when you shoot at people when they at the top and everybody is afraid to say anything to them. Then when they handicap themselves. I don't respect people shooting at people when they handicapped them.

[Damaris]

J. Cole was on stage at his own festival, which I is the first hip hop festival in North Carolina history. One of the highest grossing hip hop festivals. One of the greatest experiences. I don't think J. Cole was handicapped. And at the bottom, while he was.

[Rory]

Standing at the bottom. You know what I mean by handicapped? You know what I mean by handicapped? Like, I'm not talking in cursive. You niggas know what I said when? And I said this years ago.

[Damaris]

He didn't shoot him and nothing happened. He's reacting to something that happened.

[Mall]

What do you mean by handicap? What do you mean by handicap when I.

[Rory]

When? The same way you say Cole can never address rappers or he can never do this and nobody's ever going to take him serious. This, this, this, this and that. It's a handic. You now take yourself out of the niggas being afraid of you. You handicapped yourself. N would never have had the confidence to say a word about motherfucking J. Cole until he did that to him.

[Mall]

I think that's wrong. I think what you're saying is wrong. I understand what you're trying to say, but it's not that they looked at it like it's open season on J. Cole. It was more from a disappointed standpoint. Like, damn, you one of them. Because everybody still respects Cole. Every rapper, every MC still respects Cole. Like he can rap. There's no debating that. It's just how he handled that moment disappointed other rappers and MCs like, Bro.

[Rory]

They want him the confidence to go in the studio.

[Mall]

Well, based on what they saw as a culture like, yo, that was niggas.

[Rory]

See, it's 118 million things that go on in this culture.

[Mall]

But we've never seen that, though.

[Damaris]

Okay, well, we don't think you can agree to that.

[Mall]

I've never seen that.

[Damaris]

I watched Simba go up to Funk Flex freestyle and diss Funk Flex to his face for dissing Tupac. He said all that Tupac shit is stopping a day, and if you're gonna do it, stop. Stop crying in the middle of dissing Tupac. He said that to Flex his face during a flex.

[Rory]

Is Flex one of the greatest rappers of our generation?

[Damaris]

But I'm making. I'm making a point that Simba, who we're talking about, I'm giving an equivalent.

[Mall]

To address his things. Like that's.

[Damaris]

He'll address something that's currently happening. Like, he even mocked the drop. You lied. Like, he said that in his freestyle to Flex because it was a current thing that was being played on podcasts at the time.

[Mall]

Listen, I get it. The Maris is cold. She love Cole. And I'm not mad at that.

[Damaris]

I do, too.

[Rory]

No, but see, we're not going to make it seem like I'm just some stand without fucking brain cells and I'd just be talking outside.

[Mall]

I didn't say that. I said you love Cole. Okay, I never said you was a fuck.

[Damaris]

To what. Maybe your point is here. I don't think Simba's waking up just wanting to just dis take J. Cole. I think he was reacting to a moment that would have never happened had the moment not happened. And I think there's nothing wrong with that.

[Mall]

And there's nothing wrong with him if somebody's playing, whether he's playing around or with Simba's name, there's nothing wrong with that rapper feeling like, okay, well, I got things to say to that.

[Damaris]

I like the Cole bar.

[Mall]

I did, too.

[Damaris]

I actually appreciated the cold.

[Mall]

But I was saying Simba being on his way to the studio as well as a result of that, like, hey, hold up, dog. I was in the crib chilling, like, I ain't said nothing. Here you go, young Simba.

[Damaris]

No, Simba's owed that.

[Mall]

No, I'm not. I'm not saying I was in the club. Chill. I was not saying he's not. But if that bar wasn't in that song and we call Simba, he's saying he's on his way to the studio to rap my code. Then I'd be like, yo, what you doing, bro? He ain't say nothing to you. He ain't say nothing about you coming off of him bowing out of a battle. I understand if every rapper has something to say after that, because that was the craziest moment in rap. Well, one of the Craziest moments in rap history, where a guy that every rapper and every MC feels like is one of the best.

[Damaris]

And even to that point, I think. Cole, I don't think there's any elite emcee that would watch Simba on The Charlie Freestyle, L.A. leakers, freestyles, flex freestyles, and not go, oh, that's an elite pen right there. Cole, I think, has respect for Simba to the point that he mentioned him because there was plenty of people shooting.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

That never mentioned he talked to all. All us content creators. I saw the whole world last night trying to figure out who is who. I'm like, no, he's talking to everybody, all of y'.

[Rory]

All.

[Damaris]

He only made one specific thing to Simba, which to me, is more of a sign of respect than it is anything else. And to me, that's the sport. So. Yeah.

[Mall]

Nah, it ain't respect, though. You can't say you my father, nigga, I know who my pappy is. Get the out here. You ain't my daddy. Out of here. Yo, like, we ain't gonna try to say, like, yo, it was. She was showing love. No, no, no, no, no, no. Any. That I'm probably the same age or older than. To my. He's my daddy. Nah, nigga, you got. I got something to say to you about that.

[Damaris]

Nah. Cause, see, I wouldn't like to hear if somebody really had said to me, you didn't let Nas down. You let Demaris down. I'd feel like I'd feel the way that they said that to me. But you wanted to put away Cole.

[Mall]

Said it was your daddy.

[Damaris]

Oh, no, no. That's why I would reply the way Cole did.

[Mall]

Okay, okay.

[Damaris]

Cause that's a. That's a hard. Even though Simba was kind of joking, like. And we know. We know where that came from. Of the rumors of all of Dreamville in the crowd, like, don't do it. Don't do it. Cole even said on stage, all my guys in the back said, don't do that shit. Don't do it. Don't do it. So now. Now you see that, and now it's like, damn, I let my. My crew. Cause dreams. Why would we all. Everybody. Which I understand that that's your people forever. I would do the same thing, no matter circumstance. I'm always gonna ride with my friends in that regard. But, yeah, that could sting a little in the moment. Not now, the moment. Remember, like, keep that point in mind when things are happening that day.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

The whole team is fighting for their life on Twitter, everyone in the industry talking to them. And then Sib will come in and say, cole, you let boss down. Your man. Yeah, me. I'm gonna reply and say, you're my son.

[Mall]

Nah, nah, See, that's to. To me, that's. That's. So you reply.

[Damaris]

Both of them are playful.

[Mall]

No, yeah, yeah, but you reply to that, but not the picking and choosing got to stop, bro. That's all I'm saying.

[Damaris]

I mean, listen, the picking and choosing.

[Rory]

Guys, the album's not here. The album's not here. So we don't know.

[Mall]

That's why I'm chilling. But that's another issue I have, though, because it's like, you doing all this rapping now. We getting the mixtape before the album. We getting the video before the. We doing all this rapping now. Ain't nobody outside. Niggas is gone. That was two years. Niggas is gone, bro.

[Damaris]

Okay, okay.

[Rory]

So he not supposed to release his.

[Mall]

Album because that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying all of this, go get Clue, go get the best free. Go get the best instrument. Now you over. I. Shorty said this shit overly loaded. This nigga overly rapping now. Thank God I know this nigga overly rapping. You want to go get the best instrumentals and rap rap history. You want to go get Clue. You want to. It's like, bro, what we doing?

[Damaris]

Mark me saying this. They're going to clip that out of context and make it look so I know what you're saying, but that's not how it's going to be interpreted. They'll be like, yo, now everyone's mad that Cole's rapping.

[Mall]

They can clip it up. I'm saying, why we couldn't get all of this rapping in that moment. That's what we were. That's when we were supposed to get the Clue mixtape in that moment he gave us.

[Damaris]

I might delete later.

[Mall]

And he did come on fan. And now he's saying, oh, the fall off. He fell off. And now he's tired. Like, he come on with this performative man.

[Damaris]

He did, I think, give Maul some credit. I believe it's on.

[Mall]

Don't give me no credit. I don't want no credit.

[Rory]

Well, unless we go on track on.

[Damaris]

Winter Storm, I want no credit because I do want to get away from who he's taking shots at in this beef. He did say scrapping everything after what happened and starting over, which we gave them all pushback on on that as well. Like, now some stuff has to change, but he'll probably keep.

[Rory]

Yeah, let me find it.

[Damaris]

He's. Because I remember suggesting. Yeah, no, I described everything after that day. Now, I know we've been focusing the last 28 minutes about who he's been shooting at.

[Mall]

All right, my bad. I'm sorry.

[Damaris]

Can we at least please appreciate that this is just four records of just straight.

[Mall]

I appreciate it. One of the best. You ain't gonna never hear me say that. He's not one of the best rappers we've ever had.

[Damaris]

But he's not allowed to say that.

[Mall]

I'm not saying.

[Damaris]

No, you could say it.

[Mall]

Not that he's bowing out of a battle. No, no, you.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Mall]

And then you're talking about kicking in the door and putting four in homie's head. And who are you talking to? Who shooting in that? A friend from f. Oh, dog, you can't. We can't get these bars after what we saw.

[Rory]

Okay? So hold on.

[Mall]

Come on.

[Rory]

One second, one second, one second, one second, one second, one second, one second.

[Damaris]

He can and he did. And people are receiving it. Go ahead.

[Mall]

His fans. Yes.

[Rory]

So.

[Damaris]

Mall, I see that Damaris is over there on a phone that is not the allnew iPhone Pro 17, designed to be the most powerful iPhone ever. What?

[Mall]

Like, is that a flip phone?

[Damaris]

Yeah. Are you concerned about traffic or someone trying to transfer all your data?

[Mall]

You got no snowstorm updates on that phone.

[Damaris]

Well, good news, Damaris. I know you're sitting over there. If you go to Boost Mobile, they will send an expert to your home and deliver your brand new iPhone 17 Pro so you don't have to have that sour look that you have on your face right now while you're scrolling through. What is that? An iPhone 12. Boost Mobile would never.

[Mall]

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[Brad Palumbo]

The social media trend that's landing some gen zers in jail. The progressive media darling whose public meltdown got her fired.

[Damaris]

I'm going to take Franchesca off the network entirely.

[Brad Palumbo]

The massive Tik Tok boycott against Target. That makes no actual sense.

[Damaris]

I will continue getting stuff from Target and I will continue to not pay for it.

[Brad Palumbo]

And the MAGA influencers whose trip to the White House ended in embarrassment.

[Mall]

So refreshing to have the press secretary after the last few years who's both intelligent and articulate.

[Brad Palumbo]

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[Nav Green]

This show contains information subject to but not limited to personal takes, rumors, not so accurate stats, and plenty more. What's up man? This your boy Nav Green from the Broken Play Podcast. Look, it's the end of the season. The playoffs are here. But guess what? It ain't the end of your season season. You can always tune in with Broken Play Podcast with Nav Green on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Not a team who ain't going to the playoffs. The Chiefs.

[Mall]

What's a wrap?

[Nav Green]

It's time to rebuild. Who your MVP right now then Drake May up there.

[Damaris]

Josh Allen up there still.

[Podcast Narrator]

Oh, my boy Matthew Stafford.

[Mall]

Nick said he ain't too far behind.

[Rory]

He did all this talking.

[Mall]

What Matthew Stafford is doing statistically, bro, is crazy. Crazy bro.

[Nav Green]

You know I ain't no Josh Allen fan, but Matthew staffer got better weapon. Caleb Williams.

[Mall]

Hey, he should be in that conversation.

[Rory]

And what conversation?

[Nav Green]

Listen to Broken Play with Nav Green from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or whatever you get your podcast.

[Damaris]

What's up?

[Cam Jordan]

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[Damaris]

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[Spencer Graves]

I like the idea of like, hey, put me on a big deer. You know, hey, there's a big deer out here. He's doing this. Be looking for this deer. But I also love doing it on my own. I love going out there and saying, running my cameras. I Love patterning the deep. I like showing up at the right time, checking the wind, knowing what stand I need to be in, and then whenever it all comes together and it happens, that's the most satisfying thing ever. So when you do it on your own, it's like, I then can hang my hat. But if I had somebody say, hey, pull up on these dots and catch them right here and you're going to win. And then when I go in, it's like, yeah, it's cool, I won the tournament. The ultimate goal is done. But it's like, dude, when you find them and you make them bite, that's the puzzle.

[Mall]

I love it.

[Damaris]

Listen to Lines and Tines with Spencer Graves on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Mall]

Like, if we're on the air here and I literally have my contract here.

[Damaris]

And I'm looking at, you know, as.

[Mall]

Soon as I sign this, I'm gonna get a seven figure check.

[Damaris]

I've told them I won't be working here in two weeks.

[Podcast Narrator]

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[Damaris]

The thing I love about Atlanta is.

[Podcast Narrator]

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[Mall]

I really just had never experienced anything like what was going on on in the city as far as, like, you know, seeing so many young, black, affluent creatives in all walks of life.

[Damaris]

The church had dwindled almost to nothing. And God said, this is your assignment.

[Rory]

And that's like how you know, like.

[Mall]

Okay, oh, you from Atlanta for real. I ain't got to say too much.

[Simba]

I'm Grady, baby.

[Mall]

Shut up.

[Podcast Narrator]

Listen to Atlanta is on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Mall]

So Bias, the way they call me biased, his fans bias. Yes.

[Rory]

Okay. There's a difference between. I hear you when you say, well, he's gonna do whatever he wants to, but I hear you when you say versus about challenging people lyrically. Right. You can't, you can't talk about challenging people lyrically. I hear you right. I understand your point of view in that. Songs about violence. I don't think that, like now, because you didn't enter into a rap battle, you can't rap about violence because if that's the case. Are we like. I think that's completely different things. Rapping about violence. Okay.

[Mall]

He's the most nonviolent rapper ever.

[Damaris]

If you go into the violent bars, he does usually clean them up with. I'm not talking about. Like, he even says without an actual gun on my. He's not suggesting he's going to shoot somebody four times in the head because he even does get into the tough guy. Imagine.

[Mall]

Nobody's thinking J. Cole is going to shoot anybody.

[Damaris]

I think this has been. These four records are a perfect mix of one, obviously, just straight rapping addressing everything that is currently happening, which I miss so much with our A list rappers. Anytime we got something from Nas, you just name anyone from that era. Kanye 50. It was addressing what was happening at the time. And this is four records that I feel like represent the last two years of everything in rap. Not just the beef with Kendrick or him apologizing down to Lucien, down to everything that's happening in the game with media rap. This. This was a master class of freestyle.

[Mall]

Now. Cool. And you're right. The album February 6th, we got all of this cool, cold rap. I ain't mad at it. Love to hear rap. Love to hear new music. Cool. Got it. If on that album. Because again, and this is my issue, I have with Rory going back to the battle.

[Damaris]

This is the point that you've been holding that you wanted to. Yes, we're here. Finally.

[Mall]

Yes.

[Damaris]

I've lost sleep over this.

[Mall]

So are you happy with Cole addressing all of this and talking about the battle and things like that, like apologizing, falling off from the top three in raps?

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

So why.

[Damaris]

But I said that before.

[Mall]

Okay, but no, because when Drake stopped the engagement with Pusha, you said, I don't want to hear nothing about this battle on the album. If it's over, let it be over. We don't want to hear that. Now that Cole is doing it, you happy about it? And no, ain't no way. Wait, wait.

[Damaris]

Find me the clip. I said I didn't like that. He said he had a record and didn't put it out, but instead went on the shop with LeBron James to talk about it.

[Mall]

No, no, no. You may have said that, too. You may have said that, too.

[Damaris]

That's what I said.

[Mall]

You may have said that, too.

[Damaris]

Like, of course he's gonna address. And I like a side of Scorpion, which is all about the battle.

[Mall]

You may have said that, too. But you also said you didn't want to hear nothing about Pusher. You didn't want to hear. No, no shots. You don't want to hear none of that. That's exactly what.

[Damaris]

Let's add context. Are we talking about Scorpion time? No, if we're talking about him addressing on whatever that Travis Scott one was when he was dissing Pusha on someone else's feature, it was like, dude, that was like. That was like seven years ago. I don't like. I don't care. I don't even think you care anymore.

[Mall]

This was two years ago.

[Damaris]

We haven't heard from outside of the Poor Thing and the Fall off and I'm not comparing Fall off and Scorpion. I'm just saying the next album after a beef, of course I. I would think the rapper would address what was.

[Mall]

That's not what you said when it was Drake and Push it.

[Damaris]

I will happily stand if you can find.

[Mall]

I was not your energy. That was not your energy. And that's all I'm saying. When it's the guys that we like.

[Damaris]

But I like Drake.

[Mall]

I didn't say I like Cole. They say I'm biased. You see how that works?

[Damaris]

I'm not biased either, but I'm just.

[Mall]

Saying they say it. They call me biased.

[Damaris]

I'm just saying you called yourself biased.

[Mall]

For Drake, which is fine in a battle. In a battle.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Mall]

In a battle.

[Damaris]

Yeah. In a battle.

[Mall]

I'm picking aside in any battle. What I'm saying is now that Cole is doing it, oh, yes, this is what we wanted. Tell us about it.

[Damaris]

But I've also said on this pod in the last year that I want. And I'm almost saying verbatim, I said I want all three of them. I want Drake on Iceman not to necessarily dis, but address how he's feeling post battle on things. I want Drake to address it. I want Cole to address it. And I want Kendrick to even address coming out of everything that happened. I don't think they should dedicate their album to it. But to bring it up. I said on this pod, I want all three of them to make Drake include. I want. If he doesn't address anything on Iceman, I would be disappointed. I think he should now, if he dedicates a whole album to telling me that the industry turned their back on him and making sure now you get.

[Mall]

Into what you want to hear and how you want to hear it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Damaris]

But that's what you've done. You want to tell Cole how he should rap.

[Mall]

No, I'm telling. I'm telling you as a Fan of an artist and an emcee and a rapper, where if you back down out of a fade a battle, you can't start talking like, n don't want issues with you. Right after that, the nigga that said something to you wanted an issue, you shot back and then apologized for shooting back. What is that? That's all I'm saying. I never understood that part of it. Now, if you didn't want to engage any further after you put out the seven minute drill. Cause even on the end of seven minute drill, he said everything like, yo, this is a friendly little yo. If he wanted to go in, he's like, yo, just chill. He could have left it at that and I would have been cool. I would have been totally fine. At least he shot back and he let Kendrick know, like, dawg, don't play with me. Cause this was light. This was just a little workout.

[Damaris]

What'd you say?

[Mall]

I would have been perfectly fine. But to do what he did, I was just like, why would you do that? Was do this. Take your best shot. That was crazy to me. I didn't understand that energy. But I'm lying because I do understand that energy.

[Rory]

I was gonna say, you know, exactly.

[Mall]

And I'm gonna say this. And you my man. I don't wanna. On this album, he better address why he did what he did, okay? He better address why he did what he did.

[Damaris]

He did a bit on port.

[Mall]

Even if y' all disagree with what he said he did on this album, he better explain why he did what he did. He better explain why he had that conversation with Kendrick, okay. And then never spoke to Drake after that again in his life. He has to explain that. He has to explain that. That's nasty. I fuck with Cole, Cole could rap his ass off. Put it in bars on why you did what you did to Drake, bro. Don't give me all of this young Simba and this nigga and that. No, no, no. Tell the world why you had that conversation with Kendrick before that whole back and forth with him and Drake. And why you came off that tour with Drake and after Drake gave you your first number one. And then you never spoke to Drake again.

[Damaris]

Okay?

[Mall]

Current day today, till this day, has never spoke to Drake again. Now tell the world why you did that. I need to know why he did that.

[Rory]

Am I gonna clip this?

[Damaris]

Can I ask this?

[Mall]

I need to know why he did that. Fuck it.

[Rory]

Is this gonna stay in this episode?

[Mall]

Da Cole, look, I'm like this, Cole, you ain't even got a D. You Ain't even gotta rap it. DM me, nigga, pause dm, message me. Tell me why. What did you hear on that phone call with Kendrick Lamar, sir? Kendrick Lamar car that made you never talk to Drake again.

[Damaris]

Okay, and.

[Mall]

Cause that's nasty. That man had you on tour. He put millions of dollars in your pocket, gave you your first number one song.

[Rory]

Okay, all right. Stop talking about, like, Cole is like some little. Like Drake gave you a little.

[Mall]

It's a fact. I don't care what you talking about, Damaris. That's a fact. Millions of dollars. And he was just on tour with it.

[Rory]

Okay, you don't.

[Mall]

And then gave him his first number one. And then that was.

[Damaris]

Right.

[Rory]

That Cole needs Drake to put millions of dollars.

[Mall]

I don't say he needed anything. I'm talking.

[Damaris]

He said on Port Drake he did a lot for me. Like, he did it.

[Mall]

What are you talking like you still trying to defend that Nasty? That was defending.

[Rory]

No Nasty.

[Damaris]

We don't know.

[Rory]

I don't know what the.

[Damaris]

You don't know what you talk about.

[Mall]

But you're speaking like. Oh, don't talk like. No, that's what he.

[Rory]

I was referring to is when you're talking about one of the greatest rappers of our generation and you're sitting up here saying, he did this for you. This for you.

[Damaris]

He did.

[Mall]

He did. That's fine.

[Rory]

But the way you.

[Mall]

I'm the way facts. I don't care about how you take on what I'm worried.

[Damaris]

That's fine.

[Mall]

That's.

[Rory]

That's fine. And I'm just reiterating.

[Mall]

If you reiterate right now, and I got millions already, and you still put millions in my pocket, and I never speak to you again. That's crazy.

[Rory]

Yeah. No, because nobody bought tickets for Cole. It was all. They all bought tickets to drink. It was.

[Mall]

No, no, no. That has nothing to do with what I'm saying.

[Damaris]

Arguing like that.

[Mall]

That has nothing to do with.

[Damaris]

He took the man with him.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

No, you my man. Yo, come on, let's go. Let's get this bag together. He did that. Let's bust this bag down together. Come on, we out. We just got this number one song. Let's go. And then you never speak to me again. That's crazy, bro. That's insane. I don't care what. Nobody. That is crazy.

[Damaris]

So to go against your point, Prior, I would love to hear Drake's perspective of that on Iceman as well.

[Mall]

I would, too.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

But I feel like it's cold to talk about it because he's the one that did what he did. Drake don't know why he did that.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Mall]

We ain't gonna speak to yo Cole, why you did what you did? He gonna ask us question. Nigga, we don't know.

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mall]

Cole got to be the one to talk about Leo. This is why. Yo, I spoke to Kendrick. Even if Kendrick was like, yo, I'm about to. I'm about to say some nasty shit about him. At least Cole Drake can be like, yo, bro, he just want to fade with you. He don't even want it with me.

[Damaris]

He.

[Mall]

He said he want you on a one on one. Even if. Even if Cole did that to Drake, I'm not mad, but you never spoke to this again in your life. Y' all can't sit here and tell me that's not weird behavior, Bro, I'm sorry.

[Rory]

Okay. So, Ma, outside of what we were just. Just yell at each other. Out. You do know that.

[Mall]

And I'm sorry. I'm not yelling at you. I'm yelling at you.

[Rory]

You was a little loud, aggressive.

[Mall]

I'm flipping. Never yelling at you at the moment. Like how Simba is talking about the moment. I'm yelling at the moment.

[Rory]

Oh, okay. All right. What I'm saying is, you do know.

[Damaris]

That Todd talks to each other. We're not yelling at each other.

[Mall]

I don't know.

[Damaris]

I'll be hitting you in a moment. I start swinging.

[Rory]

I don't know. But what?

[Mall]

See? Same. You in the moment. Somebody get punched in the moment. You like, oh, shit, I ain't mean to hit you.

[Rory]

What I'm saying is, you do know that the reason why I had said. Do y' all want me to cut this out? You do know that? Like how me and Rory just said we don't know these people. We don't know that this. The things that you're talking about are not. They're not common knowledge to either us or the rest of the people in the world. People do not know that. You do know that people do not know that Drake and Can. I mean, Drake and Cole have not spoken. I did not know that. Rory did not know that. People have. Do not.

[Mall]

I know that.

[Rory]

Okay. You know that. I'm just saying you're okay with people now having that information that you are privy to that we were not. Yeah, okay.

[Damaris]

I am so.

[Mall]

I'm not saying I don't know what was spoken about.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Mall]

I know that he never spoke to this man again, which is crazy.

[Damaris]

And as a fan, that's insane to me. I would Want to hear why? Just as a music dude, not as a gossip. Like, just as a fan. I would, like, know in raps, I don't want them to do anything.

[Mall]

Maris, if you come in here right now, every day you with your homegirl, and then one day you ain't with. You think not all the time I'm like, yo, what's up with your homegirl you used to be with all the time? Like, you ain't.

[Damaris]

Cause he was trying to be.

[Mall]

Maybe I'm like, yo, what happened at home? And you like, I'm gonna be like, whoa, whoa, whoa. That was your. You used to. Every day I was together. Don't give me the. I don't talk to her no more.

[Rory]

So were they mans or were they business partners?

[Mall]

From my understanding, from what I mean, me looking at it, I don't know, like anybody's personal relationship, but I would think that they was friends. They had years of history together, of fucking with each other, rocking with each other.

[Rory]

People have years of history together because they make good money together. It doesn't always mean the difference.

[Mall]

That's a fact.

[Rory]

And doesn't always mean.

[Mall]

That's a fact.

[Damaris]

And correct me if I'm wrong, I think what Maul is saying, even knowing that information that we don't know, he's still asking for both sides to say.

[Rory]

Why, which makes sense to me.

[Damaris]

I just not saying he knows how close his friends they were.

[Mall]

I don't know.

[Damaris]

He just knows the information that they haven't spoken.

[Mall]

I just know before that happened, they was.

[Damaris]

They were hugging on stage. And then they went to not hugging.

[Mall]

They was just doing first person shooter at every stage and rocking. And we was all like that. Even you like that song is hard.

[Rory]

This is one of my favorite songs.

[Damaris]

It's been ruined for me. You know what?

[Mall]

So now and then put this in my.

[Rory]

Not.

[Mall]

Don't even speak to him no more, fam. That's not great. What happened on that phone call, Kendrick.

[Damaris]

Lamar, when it was said Kendrick Lamar really might be the Boogeyman. And we're just adding more like mystique to his aura. He broke up the like that. Yo, they was just hugging on stage and then they stopped hugging.

[Mall]

That's why I'm saying that's crazy. You gotta tell us what. What was. Because I need to know.

[Damaris]

Kendrick is evil.

[Mall]

What was said.

[Rory]

Stop.

[Mall]

I need to know.

[Damaris]

Holy shit, Kendrick. I apologize.

[Mall]

Do I have a theory?

[Rory]

Do you have a theory? We all had theories about why.

[Mall]

I mean, I guess. I guess. Cause I've heard Some of the theories, and I guess I can now, two years later, everything playing out the way it is. I guess I could lean more towards the theory of he spoke to Kendrick. Kendrick was like, yo, I don't. This. I don't even want to fade with you. I want to fade with Drake. But my thing is, bro, you could at least hit Drake. Like, yo, listen, spoke to Kendrick. He want the one on one. You didn't have to say what it was about, where he was going, what Kendrick mindset was. You ain't have to give Drake none of that, but at least give him a call and be like, yo, bro, listen, I'm gonna back out of this thing because I spoke to homie. He want the fade with you in the square.

[Rory]

And it's confirmed that Cole spoke to Kendrick. Maybe not somebody's on Kendrick's team or somebody else's.

[Mall]

From my sources, okay, My sources. Okay, my sources tell me this.

[Rory]

No, I understand exactly where you're coming from. I feel like we've all had the. I feel like the running theory Cole thought was slap boxing. And then, like, walked up on him like, yo, you might want to get out of here. About to start shooting. He was like, word. I thought we was just like.

[Mall]

He hit him with the belly. Yo, I'm about to blow. Done. Yeah, I thought we was Just hit him with that. You about to blow.

[Damaris]

That's actually a beautiful, beautiful comparison, because in AZ's defense, he was holding his son.

[Mall]

I get it.

[Damaris]

I went up there and said, I got a family, dog.

[Mall]

I get it. But come on, fam. Come on, dog. Imagine if AZ and Nas just finished busting down 500,000 together in the car. They counted it out and then get out the car. I'm about to blow. You about to blow. And go where? Where you going? And then never speak to me again. I will say, nah, what that is. Yo, dog, listen, y' all can say what y'. All.

[Damaris]

The barber in that scene, most thorough barber of all time. Not shot back and just handed the gun to the barber and ran. That barber got rid of the gun immediately.

[Mall]

Damn, I can't even think about who would be the barber in that situation. But, yeah, Luc, here you go. Here you go.

[Rory]

That's another bar I was gonna bring up.

[Damaris]

But no, I to to end that, because I do want to get off that. I can also see the rumors that were talked about with Drake. Supposed to come out on Dreamville fest to do first person shooter, and then instead he apologized. I could see Drake feeling away if they had Some type of not alliance. But Kendrick went at both of them. You just did the seven minute drill shit. Push ups is like, I. I can see.

[Mall]

I'm willing.

[Damaris]

I can see. I can see being like. And I don't know this. Any of this to be trust. I swear on everything. I love. This is just a theory in my head. If you were supposed to come out at Dreamville Fest to do first person shooter in more of a response that it's like that and both of y' all already have the records that are out or coming and then you back out. I would be like, yo, what the, bro?

[Rory]

Yeah. I wouldn't be your friend anymore.

[Damaris]

I'll be like, yo, what the. Do what you got to do, but God damn. Like, give me a heads up.

[Mall]

So just so understand.

[Damaris]

And I don't know if. I don't know if any of that is true. I promise.

[Mall]

This is.

[Damaris]

This is me speculating as a fan fan.

[Mall]

This is us with the cold call. Us yapping and what, capping.

[Rory]

Yapping and parlaying.

[Damaris]

Yeah, no. Which by the way, is hilarious because everyone that is betting, yes, that's. That's it.

[Mall]

Now we just yapping in, parlaying, cold. That's what we're doing.

[Damaris]

But that is so funny in comparison to the have a wicked jump shot, sling crack or have a wicked jump shot. Like, no, I thought that bar was so clever.

[Mall]

Listen, I'm willing to say that I feel like even through all of this, all the shit that Drake heard about him, whatever Kendrick said, calling him all kind of nasty shit, I don't think none of that affected Drake as much as Cole not speaking to him again. I'm gonna be honest. I think that fucked him up more like, bro, what the fuck? Like, we never. We haven't spoken in two years. Fuck all that. You know, not like us. That's. Whatever. That's performative shit. We know what that's about. Go ahead, get your numbers off stream. Sell stadiums. We get that. But for a. That I thought was my man to just not speak to me for two years after all of that. Again, I don't know this. I haven't had this conversation with anybody. But to me, that would be the most like, bro, that's crazy. That would with me the most because it's like, I thought that was my. Like, I ain't two years. Not. Not a text, nothing. I'm sorry, man. I get it. I know they're gonna say I'm riding it. Whatever. It could be any. Take these guys out of it any Other situation with different people, I would still be like, that is insane. I don't understand that. I hear you not a nigga that you thought was your man. And you had personal times where you be around my kids. I'm around, like. And then this happened, this moment, this big moment in our careers, in our culture, and then I don't speak to you ever, Bro, that's crazy.

[Rory]

This is not caping for Cole. Cause that is nasty. Is there a possibility that Cole. You know, sometimes when people be like, yo, my friend, they talk to me for mad long and then come to find out, like, bitch, you was talking about behind my back, like. And it's like, damn, I knew that you knew that. Is that possible?

[Mall]

Oh, I don't know. Yeah. I'm not taking that off again.

[Rory]

I'm not saying, Cole.

[Mall]

It can be anything.

[Rory]

But I'm saying.

[Mall]

But the matter is going back to what started this whole part of the conversation. That's why I want Cole to speak about it. He gotta tell us what happened.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

And in that, if we find out, yo, I heard you was talking grimy about me. I understand. If he become like, y' all heard Drake. You was talking grimy. I understand.

[Rory]

We'll rhyme with grimy.

[Mall]

I'll shut the up.

[Rory]

Slimy.

[Mall]

Whatever. Okay, whatever. Hiney. Slimy. Whatever you want to call it.

[Damaris]

And the record with scissors. Slime. Oh, she go crazy.

[Mall]

Whatever it is. I'm just saying, Cole got to give a stat. If you gonna talk about, like, Rory.

[Damaris]

Said me like scissors.

[Mall]

If you gonna talk about all of that. If you gonna talk about all of that.

[Damaris]

Ever do that to my bars? Go ahead. I'm sorry.

[Mall]

I'm letting Rory rap.

[Rory]

No, no, it's okay.

[Simba]

Go ahead.

[Mall]

Finished.

[Brad Palumbo]

All right.

[Mall]

If you gonna let Cole rap about all of that and go and address things. Cole, just address that on the album. Address what really happened in that moment that caused you to never speak to Drake again.

[Damaris]

So you think that again, you're fine with these four records? Cause I don't think that's even a mixtape.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Get it all. But I'm just saying I think that's.

[Damaris]

For and out again. But again, no disrespect to Simba, but Simba would even say he's not on Drake's level.

[Mall]

No, no, no.

[Damaris]

I think with the mixtapes stuff shoot there. But I would be. I would look at it kind of odd if you start talking about that on the Clue mixtape.

[Mall]

Save that for the album. My only issue with this birthday Blizzard mixtape is that why we didn't get all this rapping in that moment. We did before the album mixtape.

[Damaris]

He just deleted it, which I disagreed with.

[Rory]

He didn't delete the whole mixtape. He deleted one's track.

[Damaris]

No, we got all of it.

[Simba]

Cool.

[Damaris]

What you were looking for. He did. He then just backtracked on it. That's what you're trying to do.

[Mall]

Okay, so why backtrack on it to only then two years later come back, start overly rapping again?

[Damaris]

Because he's about to. One of the greatest rappers of all time.

[Rory]

He's about to retire.

[Mall]

That ain't retiring.

[Damaris]

I don't think.

[Mall]

Rappers don't retire.

[Damaris]

He's not retired.

[Mall]

Rappers don't retire.

[Brad Palumbo]

Okay.

[Mall]

Yeah, he's not retiring. He may be going into a different phase in his life and he may not be putting out as much as he was before.

[Damaris]

He's not the fall off. We're going to get the come up part two.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

The climb back is definitely coming.

[Mall]

Rappers don't retire.

[Damaris]

And I don't want Cole to retire, especially in the shape that. That he is in. Because even before the battle we had had the conversation that with the big three in a loose way that he was at the highest form of. Of rapping out of the three of them that we had seen. He just keeps improving. So I didn't know we were going to do 50 minutes that was more on the battle stuff because I did also want to talk about how amazing all four of these freestyles are.

[Rory]

I still got.

[Damaris]

There's like. Of course there's shots in there, but that's the point. And I think Cole just proved proved himself right in this entire thing of us yapping about everything but the music. Which is fine though, because what are we gonna say?

[Mall]

He can rap. We know that. What are we gonna say differently about these songs?

[Damaris]

I want you to break down the.

[Mall]

Dough on he's still in shape. He's still. Yo. Still can't. What are we gonna say? We know that already about you. Nobody is ever gonna say J. Cole can't rap.

[Damaris]

I know you can't take any battle stuff out of your head, which is fine. I'm never gonna argue with you on that.

[Mall]

It's not even about the battle.

[Damaris]

I'm just saying it's it as a 41 year old rapper and you think about all your favorite rappers when they were at 41 and what their legacies have been. Is this not some of the best rapping you've ever heard of someone at this point in their career?

[Mall]

I mean, my Favorite. Jay still could rap like that at 41. Jadakiss still rap like this at 41. Fab still rap like this at 41. Like, all of my favorite rappers still rap like this. Andre 3000 rapped like this. Like.

[Damaris]

Like, I guess. I mean, more.

[Mall]

This is not.

[Damaris]

Jay was a good example. I'm saying more. So, like, Kiss had became an elder statesman by the time he was 41. Already three stacks this and that. Yes, Cole is an elder statesman, but he's still the number one, number two, number three rapper in the world. So to you, by sheer numbers.

[Mall]

Oh, by numbers. Okay.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Well, not by numbers.

[Mall]

I mean, so he do care by numbers.

[Rory]

Numbers not. No, because he didn't mention numbers. Rory did.

[Mall]

No, he mentioned numbers. He's saying play the numbers game is the.

[Damaris]

Is a top three rapper living. Active rapper living. And it's.

[Rory]

I. I agree with you.

[Damaris]

The big three is called that for a reason. All three of them are still the. The biggest rappers.

[Mall]

Don't say big three again unless you told my Ray Allen kg don't say. Nobody else is allowed to say big three and rap ever again again. I don't want to hear no big three. Let's just dead. The big. The whole. That whole. Okay, and this is somehow LeBron's fault.

[Damaris]

Somehow?

[Mall]

No, somehow this is LeBron's fault.

[Damaris]

No, actually it is. It's the Celtics fault. Braun did that after. It's the Celtics fault. They did the AAU basketball D. Ray.

[Mall]

Allen, Paul Pierce fault.

[Damaris]

Yeah, ticket actually. No, no, no, no. Rest in peace. It's Kobe, Shaq, Gary Payton, and Carl Malone.

[Mall]

Even though they didn't win a ring.

[Damaris]

That was ridiculous.

[Mall]

Cut it out. Them niggas wasn' paid to car big three. Man, get out of here with that.

[Damaris]

That's the craziest four of all time.

[Mall]

No, no, it's not.

[Damaris]

Well, they were old.

[Mall]

It might be the nastiest.

[Damaris]

They were old as. Oh, yeah. No. You add Carl Malone into any mix, you're the nastiest four of all time. But I couldn't have been happier. This is going to stay on repeat.

[Mall]

Listen, man, Cole could rap. I'm never changing that. You never.

[Damaris]

Which was your favorite one? Him or money? Power. Respect that three think.

[Rory]

Yeah. 99 bill was my favorite, ironically.

[Damaris]

Huacha and who I like all four. Who shot you was the lowest one to me. I think he chilled on who shot you? And I think that's also cuz Kiss went nuts at versus, but I mean, that's been a freestyle forever. But it. It re entered the Algorithm after that. But I mean based off, all off, because Cole wants us to yap. I'm going money power 99 build freestyle. It's a toss up between Bronx Zoo and Golden Goose. I think I just love the Can I live beat too much. So I. Yeah, that's what it more.

[Mall]

So is for me. Which one is my favorite beat?

[Damaris]

I think a shout out to D Dot.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

D Dot is one of the greatest producers of all time. Of the hitman. But just, just D dot, period. You can I live Black Rob is, is. Is maybe my favorite beat of all time.

[Mall]

It's definitely up there for me.

[Damaris]

I, I.

[Mall]

It's up there for me.

[Rory]

Yeah. I ain't play.

[Damaris]

That's why Cole maybe is.

[Mall]

Hold on, hold on. This is why Cole is. He's good at this. This is what Cole is good at.

[Damaris]

Good at rapping.

[Mall]

No, no, we know that. This is what he does, though. He does little shit like this, right? He goes and gets the best beats that he knows sits so deep in our hearts, he finds his way back in our hearts. He does that. He gave us a dollar in the dream. The show at Madison Square after the bell. He knows them niggas is a E Humdalal, my nigga. Y' all niggas over there, y' all over there are very good at finding y' all way back into the soft spots of the listeners of the supporters of the fan bases. Y' all are very good at that. Let's go get the best hip hop beats in history. And Cole, you go crazy on them. Cole, you don't. You're not into money, but we're gonna show you washing your Lambo truck by hand like they. They do little like that.

[Rory]

When you calling Cole like a manipulative.

[Mall]

Abusive boyfriend, Is that what every with dread is manipulative? Every except for Jay Z. I'm sorry, but every other with dreads are the manipulative. Like, every.

[Damaris]

Jay Z has definitely manipulated somebody in his life.

[Rory]

King Manipulation.

[Damaris]

You can't become a billionaire.

[Mall]

You can't.

[Damaris]

And then became a billionaire.

[Mall]

You can't become a billionaire. Yeah, but every with dreads, if you.

[Damaris]

Listen to the Lemonade album that once.

[Mall]

Had waves, you is manipulator.

[Damaris]

You go from waves, motherfuckers manipulative.

[Mall]

You that go from waves to dreads. Y' all is manipulative, yo, because y' all become so righteous and for the.

[Damaris]

Cause, you don't do that. Cole has been the same person with. With a Caesar to to dreads.

[Mall]

No, he has not.

[Damaris]

Yes, he has.

[Mall]

Well, you know, I agree. He just got dreads and that seem like he ain't the same you the same. You the same you. And that's why I was disappointed the way he did. Cause you the same. You still got that in you.

[Damaris]

Like, don't.

[Mall]

Don't try to act like the soul righteous. Nah, my brother, man. We shouldn't be doing this, man.

[Damaris]

Man, listen, man. What Andre 2000. One of his. His best bars. Everybody with gold ain't for the fall. Everybody with dreads ain't for the cause.

[Mall]

Cole is very good at that. He finds.

[Damaris]

Even if we don't know these people. For real. For real. Cole has been extremely authentic to who he has been throughout his entire. Like, what are we talking about?

[Rory]

You want to come in here and.

[Damaris]

Say how authentic that dollar in the dream was? Was almost got them thrown off the.

[Mall]

Label when he first did it.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

No, no, no.

[Damaris]

They were trying to put him with Stargate.

[Mall]

You're right. I'm talking about. Why did he do that show after the battle?

[Rory]

We don't do that. We already said it was the anniversary.

[Damaris]

We had talked about anniversary.

[Mall]

This is his birthday. He going, we can't hate on a. On his birthday.

[Rory]

You find it away.

[Damaris]

You haven't been to a Pharaoh birthday celebration.

[Mall]

How am I head? I'm not heading hating. I'm just saying, like he. I see what I. I see. I see the calculation in the calc and. And the moves that Cole is making. I see and I'm not mad.

[Damaris]

But you can't say this before he. He has put out the Sincerely Yours mixtapes. He's rapping over Lauren Hill beats like this is not the first time.

[Mall]

I'm not saying.

[Damaris]

Has just wrapped over beats that we love.

[Mall]

I'm not saying it is, bro. I'm just saying he knows the timing.

[Damaris]

And he's not the first rapper to put some. This is not some brand new scheme that him and EB Came up with. I love it.

[Mall]

But who said that? Who said it was.

[Damaris]

What are you manipulating? Like this is a standard.

[Mall]

I'm saying coming off of everything that in his career the last two years, coming off of all of that, every one of his moves has been very intentional. He knows what he's doing. And you know what? Fuck that battle shit and even talking about it. Yeah, I fell from the top three only to climb back up and show you still can't fuck with me. Whatever he said.

[Rory]

I don't know.

[Mall]

I don't know what he said.

[Rory]

That was close.

[Mall]

I don't know what he said, right. But something to that effect, Right? He's right. Because you can rap. Nobody's gonna say J. Cole can't rap, but I'm sitting there listening to this.

[Damaris]

Shit like, let's get. Let's. This nigga is very calculated, contradiction cast. Last time we're bringing up Drake for all the Dogs. Yes. Did numbers. I don't want to argue. Number one. Whatever. It definitely had flack. To the point that Drake has admittedly said is why he did that Scary Hours mixtape that's attached to for all the Dogs now, where he's rapping. Was that manipulative? Yo, I see you guys were mad and feel like I can't rap no more and were displeased with his project. Project. For all the people that care about raps, here's Scary Hours, too, because I was one of them, and he won me over immediately. I love that Scary Hours take that's attached to for all the Dogs.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Damaris]

Is that manipulative?

[Mall]

Yeah, if you want it to be. Yeah. I agree. Okay.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

There's nothing wrong with being manipulative. There's nothing wrong.

[Damaris]

Well, if the cause is good music.

[Mall]

If you're selling something, you think you're supposed to manipulate the consumers.

[Damaris]

Oh, so what's the problem?

[Mall]

There's no problem. I'm just saying I see what Cole.

[Damaris]

And I also don't think.

[Mall]

It's manipulation. It is manipulative. You can't say you don't care about playing the game with the bundles and all of this and all of that. You rented out a whole vinyl press factory for this album.

[Damaris]

You.

[Mall]

You trying to trick the numbers. You playing the numbers game, too?

[Rory]

No worry now.

[Damaris]

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[Mall]

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[Damaris]

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[Damaris]

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[Damaris]

I will continue getting stuff from Target and I will continue to not pay for it.

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[Mall]

So refreshing to have a press secretary after the last few years who's both intelligent and articulate.

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[Damaris]

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[Mall]

What's a wrap?

[Nav Green]

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[Mall]

Then Drake May up there.

[Damaris]

Josh Allen up there still.

[Podcast Narrator]

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[Rory]

Where did Phoenix at?

[Mall]

He ain't too far behind.

[Rory]

He did all this talking.

[Mall]

What Matthew Stafford is doing statistically, bro, is crazy.

[Nav Green]

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[Damaris]

Hey, he should be in that conversation.

[Rory]

In what conversation?

[Nav Green]

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[Damaris]

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[Damaris]

I need to be in.

[Spencer Graves]

And then whenever it all comes together and it happens, that's the most satisfying thing ever. So when you do it on your own, it's like, I then can hang my hat. But if I had somebody say, hey, pull up on these dots and catch them right here and you're gonna win. And then when I go in, it's like, yeah, it's cool. I won the tournament. The ultimate goal is done. But it's like, dude, when you find them and you make them bite, that's the puzzle.

[Nav Green]

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[Damaris]

Listen to Lines and Tines with Spencer Graves on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Mall]

Like, if we're on the air here.

[Damaris]

And I literally have my contract here and I'm looking at, you know, as soon as I sign this, I'm going.

[Mall]

To get a seven figure check.

[Damaris]

I've told them I won't be working here in two weeks.

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Damaris]

The church had dwindled almost to nothing. And God said, this is your assignment.

[Rory]

And that's like how you know, like.

[Mall]

Okay, oh, you from Atlanta for real. I ain't gotta say too much.

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[Mall]

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[Damaris]

No. All right, first of all, yes, yes, of course. Everyone's trying to play numbers game.

[Mall]

That's all I'm saying. That's all. You can't doing that and then you doing that.

[Damaris]

Let's get to a new. Let's get to it. Let's get to a new conversation where we're actually going to give E and Cole more credit. I'm so happy outside of the dollar dream that the A list artist with this mixtape. No, I didn't want it to go on dat piff for free. I loved that A list artists are setting the trend where you can pay a dollar for your is called the first one to do it. God know. Sima just shouted out LaRussell. What LaRussell's doing right now with his paywall is amazing. What Nipsey did with his before, this is not the first time we've seen people do this. I want to see the A listers. I was having this conversation with Kia in the kitchen. If Amara ever wants to make music, thank God 20 years before that happens. We have a listers like Cole that are saying no, pay a dollar to me. That would set the standard for not obviously younger artists are going to do that but for to get the consumer used to paying that everything with film shout out to Netflix. You guys are awesome. But every subscription we have gotten used to getting rid of cable. We're fine with paying for Hulu. We're fine paying for Netflix. We're fine. We've got used to that shit. That has not worked in the music business yet. We pay for one streaming site and that's it. And the artists don't get the shit. We should start getting used to back to buying a CD. I'm giving. I'm giving J. Cole my $12. I'm not giving Spotify my $12 a month. That's going to keep the younger artists that aren't a listers rich for the rest of their lives to continue to make music. And that can't happen without the A list artist teaching the consumers that this is the new way we're going about things. If Taylor Swift says, yo, it's 10 doll, me and nobody else, consumers are going to get used to doing that. The same way we all looked at Netflix, Hulu, Disney. I'm not paying for all that. Oh, actually, when I add it up, my cable's 200. I get all this for the. Nah, let me pay for the. I like. I don't need everything over here. I'm gonna pay for the orders. I like. I love that he did that. That's not manipulation. We need to encourage this type of.

[Mall]

I'm not. I'm not saying we don't.

[Rory]

All right.

[Mall]

I feel like you did all of that. Like I was saying you did that. I was.

[Damaris]

It's not manipulation that he's buying a vinyl factory. He should be buying a vinyl factory. That's not manip. That is what they should be doing.

[Mall]

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying you can't in your bars say, oh, bundle everything with these bundles. But in his bars, he made it seem like, yeah, rappers, y' all playing with numbers. But then when y' all go on tour, C. T ain't selling out like bots. And he mentioned all of that in there.

[Damaris]

No bot bots.

[Mall]

But you playing that game, too. When you get a whole final factory to press up your viper, that's directly trying to say, all right, we gotta get these numbers up. Let's get the whole press factory. Press up all my shit and tie it into the album albums.

[Damaris]

Let me land the point. Because when he was talking about the math, not mathing, that had to do with you're streaming this amount and there's.

[Mall]

Shows, you're not bundled.

[Damaris]

We've had the conversation. Shout out to Travis. Shout out to. Like, I was even mad when Nikki went on her rant about the bundle. Let's work the game that's working us. If you want to bundle. If ASAP Rocky wants to sell four different color waves of the same album. Cool. If it extends the numbers, who gives a. But that's the way you need to work the system. Yeah, Cole should sell. I even saw them probably promote. This is one version of the fall off that's being pressed right now. And the that they bought. To me. That's brilliant. Let's go direct to consumer for everything. Here's a. Here's a version of a vinyl that you can hold. It's not a stream that can be manipulated by the people of Lucian Grange. Like, yeah, I do Universal distribution, but they don't own my music. Coke can go buy a vinyl factory and print up seven different versions of his shit and go direct to consumer.

[Mall]

Consumer. That is that not manipulating the numbers.

[Rory]

I also know that I don't care what it does. Manipulating the numbers. Manipulating the numbers is I bought a T shirt and now that counts as no.

[Damaris]

Manipulating numbers is no. No disrespect to Khaled. Manipulating numbers is partnering with a energy drink company and the energy drink company giving away all their product for free. And they gave it away for free. And the barcode on the can was your album. That's manipulating numbers because they gave it away. They gave it away. They have record that they gave a hundred thousand things.

[Rory]

What I was saying.

[Damaris]

So to me, that's manipulation.

[Rory]

What I. In my mind, manipulation is if I'm. If I know I'm buying music, I'm buying music. If I buy the lava lamp and the album that I wasn't going to listen to comes with the lava lamp. And now that counts as a sale. I can understand that's. That's manipulation. Now artists should do what they got to do to make their money, but I feel like that's manipulation. Me buying a physical copy of an album. I don't think that that's manipul manipulation. It's the same thing where when Target used to go and release two different versions of the Beyonce album and she got two different pictures and I buy them both because I'm a Beyonce fan. That's not manipulation. That's your consumer cares about you and wants to buy this. I want. I went and bought the cold vinyl immediately because I have a vinyl player and I want to be able to play it. Of course, I'm still gonna play it out of my phone, on my phone for ease. But he didn't offer Me something else. And the album just came with it. I feel like that's manipulation. No, I'm gonna go buy a hard copy of something because I like a hard copy. The same reason why we go and buy disposable cameras. Want a copy of the. I want to be able to hold the picture in my hand. That's. You're not manipulating me. You offered me something. You didn't force me to buy it. You didn't package it as something else. You offered something and I bought it. That's not manipulation or four gender numbers. I'm sorry. I don't. Me personally, that's not what I think. I don't think what any artist does.

[Damaris]

And I think you just care a little bit more when you buy some.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Like, just from my perspective with streaming, which has made things easy, there's also music that I probably never would listen to. Just because it's a veil. It's sitting there like, all right, I guess I'll click, click it. It's the same way we talk about. We used to carry the big CD cases. I would have to sit and listen to the album. It's my. I'm not opening my backpack. I'm on the bus with two people beside me. I'm not taking that out. We're listening to volume three all the way to school. That's happening. That's how you fall in love with. I think it's important when you pay for things, that's all. I just think there's a different. Different appreciation for it.

[Rory]

And it ain't like every single time I. Every time I play my vinyl, he gets more money every time I play my vinyl. It don't work like that. I paid 50 for my vinyl, and that's my vinyl. Vinyl. I think that that's fair. I don't think selling physical copies of an album is manipulating. Fudging the numbers. Like you're not faking the copies. You sold as many copies.

[Damaris]

Kingdom Come had the. That like all other cover where you could like CJ and then he warped into somebody else. I remember that Get Rich had the first. I think it was like 100,000. Had the DVD and then they re released with the DVD and like it. I mean, it's been tricks for forever.

[Rory]

So how do we feel about the Lucian Grange bar?

[Damaris]

I think people overthought, like, a lot of these quote unquote shots. I think they overthought it based off what's happened in the last few years. It's not just Drake, Kendrick, Cole. Everyone has Sold their, their for crime comes to Lucian and Universal. I think that's just a statement for the current time.

[Rory]

I agree.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I really don't, I don't think that has anything to do with the lawsuit that Drake is going through. I think Cole, with whatever was going on with escorted Roc Nation to Columbia, whatever was mixing back and forth. He's been in the major label system. Dreamville has been in the major label system with Interscope, which is Universal. Like, everybody down. Down to me in this room with a joint venture. We, we've all sold our music to Universal for the crumbs. Like, I don't think this was a shot at anyone in particular. Like, like even if a dollar in the Hove jar, all the 444. He's rapping about this entire thing. Like, when we was young, we was looking at Billboard. Now I look at myself like, is you dumb? Like, everyone comes in the business not knowing what they're doing. And then when you get to this level, you start to realize that you're worth way more Universal distribution. But I own my own music. Like, none of us have the tools walking into this business to know what that really means, which we talked about countless times on this podcast. So I think everyone's overthinking the, this, this bar. I, I, I really do. I'm not here to defend anything, Lucy.

[Mall]

That's what, that's what, that's what the, the, the fans are supposed to do. They supposed to think.

[Damaris]

But only I think no one would even really overthink these bars if it wasn't for the, the lawsuit with Drake. Because I think a lot of fans got privy to politics of major labels. And like an average fan wouldn't know who Sir Lucian Grange is, like, up until the last few years, because even Kanye was talking about him. Like people when HOV used to shout out execs. I never even knew until I got in the Def Jam building and I would see the name on the shed be like, oh, I remember that name in the HOV verse. Like, Leverage.

[Mall]

You got some explaining to do.

[Damaris]

No, that's. Oh yeah, that B side freestyle is one of the craziest things ever. And he was freestyling about what was happening in the moment. Funny how that works at his B side show with the 95 south sign, which was crazy. But again, I'm not here. I know there'll be judgments because people think we're biased towards Cole or he's biased towards Drake. I really think this is just a representation of everybody, including Cole himself. That has sold their soul and their music to a major label. We've all done it. We've all up. We've all been in a jammed up situation without the knowledge of what's going on and did that. And now a lot of us are figuring out that we can do distribution deals, we can do licensing deals, we can do things where we own everything and still find a way to work with a major label system or a machine. Like, it's the first time that. That corporate commerce and independency can all merge together to some degree. So I don't think he's calling out anyone in particular. I think he's also talking about himself.

[Rory]

No, that was a big up to himself.

[Damaris]

No, I'm saying at one point he sold his stuff. He. He bought it back, but he.

[Rory]

No, it definitely applies. But it was. It was a shot. For sure, it was. It might not have been a shot at one rapper in particular, but it was definitely a shot.

[Damaris]

Oh, it's also Hope Dollar and HoJo. Y' all still. Still drinking Perry A. We ain't get through to you yet. Like this. This has been bars from rappers that are at this level at this point point. Like, I figured out what, like, how we're all getting scammed. I'm trying to tell y' all, this is not the way anymore. Y' all are still. Y' all still taking advances. The is wrong with y'.

[Rory]

All. Yeah.

[Damaris]

So, yeah, this is not. This isn't. Again, some profound thing that Cole is saying. Plenty of rappers have said it before.

[Mall]

I'm gonna be honest, man.

[Rory]

I was about to say. You okay?

[Mall]

As a cold fan, as somebody that really. With Cole, it just don't. It don't. It don't land with me the same no more. Just being honest, man. And I hate that. But like best niggas still breathing, leaving no confusion. I don't believe you now. And I hate that. Cause at one point, I was the nigga arguing in barbershops about how dope this nigga was. And everybody's like, man, that nigga trash. I'm like, yo, y' all buggin'. But I hear bars like that catch bodies from my own amusement. Where.

[Damaris]

He went on a feature run in 20, 20, 18, 19. It's sad every time Cole has been on a feature, including Witcher Mans. He's called a body.

[Mall]

We need to. We need to put like. You know how we. We have like 900 AD, 600 BC. BC is before cold. So we got to put like in hip hop years. We got to Put BC And AC man, we have to.

[Rory]

To.

[Mall]

We have to. Because it's just like everything for now is AC this is after Cole. This is after the apology. This is. I got to try to listen to Cole now with new ears. I can't listen to him with the same ears. When I first heard him, it was.

[Rory]

Like, yo, this little young a D&BD, which is after Dreamville and before Dreamville.

[Mall]

He's still on Dreamville, though.

[Rory]

No, Best.

[Mall]

Oh, well, okay. Adf, Whatever. Yeah, it just don't, man. And again, Cole can still rap. I'm never not saying he can't, but it's just something that, you know, it's kind of like. I don't know, it's kind of like when you find out, like, you know, Roy, you dated women, plenty of women in your life, and you find that one girl that you like and you love, and then you find out she cheated. Like, you don't never look at her the same no more, no matter what. Even if she share her location, she do all the things to kind of. It's just like, you always look at them with that side eye, like, I don't know. Bitch, it's something about you.

[Damaris]

I mean, I'm not laying in bed with Cole at night, so I don't know.

[Mall]

I'm just saying. I'm talking about as far as, like, just seeing something, witnessing something, and you just can't. After that, you can't see it the same no more.

[Damaris]

I'm not putting this to your point with Cole, but the way on let God assort him out when malice said I've hummed along with rappers that I never believed. I've done that, too. Music's those economy. Plenty of rappers have talked that talk, and I don't believe a word they saying, but you do this better than I ever could. And it sounds incredible. It still hits.

[Mall]

Yeah, but it's not the same.

[Rory]

Okay, well, Ma, it's getting to a point where. Okay, if it's not the same for you, are you gonna stop listening?

[Mall]

No, listen to it. I want to hear what he got.

[Damaris]

Then I. Then I feel bad for you.

[Mall]

Why? Because it's not the same?

[Damaris]

Because if you're gonna keep. If you say, yo, I'm not listening to no more, I would fully respect it.

[Mall]

The rap isn't the same, and I still listen to a rat with.

[Damaris]

I mean, thank God we have this at least.

[Rory]

But, like, that's like. Okay, so, for example, that's like living or. Or that's like, still sleeping with the Girl, after she cheated on you, it's like it don't hit the same, cuz it ain't yours. Which when she say this, when you say, who is this? She say yours the same, which I understand. Which means you need to stop sleeping instead of rolling over, like feeling some type of.

[Damaris]

You ever leave your car at the ballet?

[Mall]

She still look good. Look good naked. I'm still gonna hit. It ain't the same. It's like with a condom. Without it, it's not the same.

[Rory]

Me personally, I would just stop hitting. It ain't the same.

[Mall]

Yeah, I guess he better talk about that motherfucking conversation, though. He better address that on out.

[Damaris]

Sometimes just adjust the seat. After valet takes your car, you gotta get it back in your settings.

[Rory]

Deactivate my Twitter tomorrow.

[Damaris]

Why don't you just tweet when that get clipped?

[Rory]

Oh, when that gets clipped?

[Damaris]

Which one?

[Rory]

Deactivating my Twitter with mall. That part I did. Y' all want to take out. Oh, when they clip that up.

[Damaris]

All right, we. We can have a. We have pre production meetings on air. We get a post production one. Y' all were not. That's how people speak. This. This also another.

[Mall]

I love the marriage.

[Damaris]

This is also another issue.

[Mall]

I'm not talking about our argument.

[Damaris]

Okay?

[Mall]

We weren't arguing.

[Rory]

I'm not talking about. I was arguing. You.

[Mall]

You.

[Rory]

You. You was talking crazy and I was.

[Mall]

Arguing n. I wasn't arguing. That ain't my arguing bag. I would have used. I would have used. I would use different pronouns.

[Rory]

Start saying, I know what the I'm talking about. You don't know what the you talking about. Once you tell me I don't know what the I'm talking about. We arguing because who don't know what they talking about?

[Mall]

But you didn't. I have information. You don't.

[Rory]

Okay, what is it?

[Mall]

So therefore you don't. I said that. So therefore you don't know what you're talking about. That's why I'm speaking so matter of factly when I'm talking to you. Because I have information that you don't.

[Rory]

And they're gonna. They're gonna turn that like I. I'm yelling because I hate Drake.

[Mall]

Well, you can yell at me. I don't give a.

[Rory]

That has nothing to do with nothing.

[Damaris]

Oh, I didn't even think.

[Mall]

I just hate turned. I just hate when looks like I'm yelling at a woman. Like, I hate that because I'm definitely not yelling at Damaris. Like, that's. It's the moment I'm Yelling at.

[Damaris]

Yelling at a woman with, like, intent to yell at her is a problem.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Having a podcast argument about music is. Isn't this how everyone else grew up? Yeah, this is how you talk when you're debating about.

[Mall]

Yeah, I would have grew. I grew up worse. My sister would have threw some shit at me by now. She like, motherfuck. And we arguing over honeycombs and shit like that. Oh, man.

[Damaris]

Maybe. Maybe our generation is the problem, but I think that's healthy. I think it's healthy to talk that way.

[Mall]

I do, too.

[Damaris]

If everyone knows we not going there.

[Mall]

Like, but you know. You know. You know a therapist gonna reach out to Damaris via Demi, be like, do you want to talk? That was a little aggressive the way Ma spoke to you. Do you want to.

[Rory]

I would love some free therapy. I need it badly.

[Mall]

Yeah, but don't be in there talking about the way I talk to you. Talk about them niggas talk about.

[Rory]

Yo, is you cool?

[Damaris]

Like, 20% off?

[Mall]

Better cool. All right, my bad. I'm sorry. Okay? My bad. I'm sorry. What?

[Damaris]

That would be an ins. I hope to God we never get to that world, but sitting in on your friend's therapy session would be the funniest thing to watch. That'd be the funniest content ever to.

[Mall]

Sit in on your therapy session.

[Damaris]

Our brains are committed to content, and I think that's situate. You can't unhear.

[Rory]

You can't unhear. You.

[Mall]

You've been through what? Like, oh, nah, hell no.

[Rory]

You can't ring a bell.

[Mall]

Nah, nah, nah, nah. I don't want to sit on nobody's therapy. Nope.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You know what's so funny is that me and Rory have been so forthcoming about, like, the most traumatic shit that we've been through. If y' all was descending on, like, a therapy session, you'd be like, that bothers you.

[Mall]

That's what made you cry.

[Rory]

I know what happened to you when you were five.

[Mall]

That's what made you cry the other day. Crazy as hell.

[Damaris]

That. That's why we had that kid conversation the other day. Oh, no, you're not. You're not. You're not staying home for mental health day, not raising a kid.

[Rory]

They ate your Internet ho ass up on that one, too. But BT Dubs.

[Damaris]

Oh, did they?

[Mall]

Yeah, what they say the who BC.

[Rory]

Dubs, btws, by the way.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah, it used to be btw.

[Rory]

And then they say how you're such. Always such a big advocator for mental health, and then, like, but like, they also said that you're supposed to be your child's safe space. Like they're. The point is not to, to raise.

[Mall]

Your child doesn't need a mental health day from school. I'm sorry, I'm with you. Like not a 3 year old 13.

[Damaris]

Maybe we got, we were talking about like even into high school they were.

[Rory]

Saying when it's like when you raise your kid as if like the real world isn't like this. It's like, yeah, I know one day I'm going to have to get into the real world in my, my household where I'm growing up with my parents. This should be my safe space. You can prepare me for the real world. Why not treating me like and, and, and ignoring my mental health for the real world.

[Mall]

Tomorrow's three we're not talking about.

[Rory]

Right. We're sorry.

[Damaris]

And this is why I hate. I was extremely clear in everything that I, I said if you are using a mental health day, I said, I think high school can be awful, especially with women bullying. If that's the case, of course, let's talk about this. Mar will always have a safe space. But if you using some mental. Yo, I need a mental health. No, you just don't feel like going to school, which is fine. We've all felt like that there's a difference there. And I'm saying that's not how life works. We're all going to have to get up and do things that we don't like to better ourselves. And the more you take those days when you just feel sluggish and don't feel like doing it, it's just going to put you in a pattern to be more sluggish and a bum. Yeah, I'm not. If Amar is actually having a mental health day and it's like, daddy, these little girls are picking on me. I don't even want to go there. They're saying these foul things about, of course I'm going to the principal and I'm finding the fathers of all little ass girls and we gonna have a little sit down. But nah, you're not about to just be like, yo, I'm tired. I don't feel like going to school. That's not a mental health day.

[Mall]

No, that's, that's doing that. No, it's not. You gonna get your ass.

[Damaris]

That's not trauma.

[Mall]

That's not like, get your ass out this house. And my mother used to say, you gonna get out of here. You ain't got to go to that school. You gonna get the out this house, bro.

[Rory]

I can't even.

[Mall]

When I said where I'm going, I.

[Damaris]

Said when I didn't feel like going to school. And me and my friends used to skip. Not to say we did anything productive, but at least to. That taught me a lot about life as well. When I was skipping school by myself with. With my friends and hide it from the true.

[Mall]

You know what's crazy about skipping school? You never. You realize how fast the day goes by when you skip school?

[Damaris]

Yo, yo, it's like 30 already.

[Mall]

3 o' clock already. Yo, all we did was go to the store, get a slice, come back to the crib. We ain't do shit. You could have took your ass right to school.

[Rory]

Funny how time flies when you're having fun.

[Mall]

We ain't do a goddamn thing all day. We did nothing.

[Damaris]

It was the allure of just not being there.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

And just knowing, like, all right, they all sitting in there right now. Pussy.

[Mall]

There needs to be, like, a dedicated. You know how they have, like, dedicated spaces for, like, heroin addicts to shoot up? It needs to be, like, dedicated spaces for kids that cut school.

[Damaris]

No.

[Rory]

Cause cutting school is illegal, technically.

[Mall]

Nah, so is shooting. So is shooting drugs. So is shooting heroin. But they need to give a space. Like, listen, all right, at least give us a space where kids can come, maybe work on some homework or maybe study some shit.

[Damaris]

Like, thinking I'm skipping some undame shit.

[Rory]

Nigga said school.

[Mall]

Like, no, I'm just saying, like, so that kids ain't just outside in the park fucking smoking weed while they supposed to be in school. Like, shit like that.

[Damaris]

Like, but then you caught skipping school. Cause you went to the safe space.

[Mall]

Yeah, no, but I'm saying, like, you're not in school, but, like, you're still in a place where it's like. You know, in the words of Bodie.

[Damaris]

It sounds like one of those entrapment things.

[Mall]

Like, my mom used to say, yo, I'd rather y' all smoke weed in here than to be on the fucking roof smoking weed. Or be in the staircase smoking weed and somebody call the cops on y'. All. And this, that, and the third. Like, I know y' all smoking. They might as well be in this fucking house where y' all safe.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but at that point, they're gonna be like, once y' all get here, all right, we gonna take y' all to school.

[Rory]

Does that work, though? Because I remember my dad was like, I want your first drink to, like, I'd rather give you your first drink here. So if, you know, like, he thought it was my first drink, it wasn't. But I'd rather give you your first drink here. So that if you have a reaction, like, you're safe or anything like that and keeps you out of trouble. But, like, it ain't really keep me out that much trouble. Like, does that theory, like, work?

[Damaris]

What I noticed. It's the cool mom. You don't want to be the cool mom to your kid, but everyone in the neighborhood will be better off because you're the cool mom.

[Rory]

Makes sense.

[Damaris]

Like, when I went to the cool mom's house. Yeah. We stayed out of trouble because we knew we could drink, smoke in their basement. And we were fine. We never drove. Like, we just stayed out of trouble because we had a place to do it. But that's not the. The house you want your kid to grow up in. It's better for the neighborhood, but not for your kid.

[Rory]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Your kids prematurely losing their virginity.

[Rory]

Oh, you knew it was coming. I love. I love when you read me.

[Damaris]

I didn't even know we were going to other. Other other topics.

[Rory]

I love when you read me. Yo.

[Mall]

I love when you read Damaris. Shut the.

[Damaris]

I love when you read me.

[Rory]

I love when you anticipate my needs.

[Mall]

That's how she be talking about. I love. Nigga, bring Damaris something to eat. I love when you read me.

[Rory]

Can you rel. Yo, what?

[Mall]

Nigga A. I'm not. In general.

[Rory]

In general. That's up.

[Mall]

I don't know if it's a specific guy. I'm just saying you love when guys think for you. Four start flag. 15 yard penalties. Repeat first.

[Rory]

Wait, do we know who's going to the super bowl yet?

[Mall]

Yes, we do. Patriots and the Seahawks. Okay, rematch of Super Bowl 49. Who.

[Rory]

Do y' all think is going to win?

[Damaris]

Oh, no, we're getting in that tomorrow.

[Rory]

Okay, my bad, cuz.

[Damaris]

Mo has to spread them.

[Rory]

Hey, yo, spread them.

[Mall]

Spread them.

[Damaris]

But we will be back tomorrow. Yeah. We're never gonna leave you guys.

[Mall]

We're never Netflix. We are here forever.

[Damaris]

Forever.

[Simba]

Forever.

[Mall]

Forever. We talk to y' all soon. Be safe, be blessed. I'm that peace.

[Rory]

No worry now.

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[Rory]

What's up?

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