Episode 450 | 2026 GRAMMYS Recap

Summary

New Rory & MAL – Episode 450: "2026 GRAMMYS Recap"

Date: February 3, 2026
Hosts: Rory & Mal (w/ Damaris)

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Overview

This episode is a lively, candid, and occasionally chaotic deep dive into the 2026 GRAMMY Awards. The hosts—Rory, Mal, and Damaris—unpack the ceremony's performances, snubs, notable wins, new format changes, and viral moments, mixing music analysis with inside jokes and hot takes. They also touch on genre representation, award show evolution, and broader pop culture, serving equal parts critique, celebration, and hilarity.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

1. Pre-Grammys Banter and Weekend Recap

• Jokes about Mal’s uncanny ability to guess Damaris’ weight lead to jokes about hidden talents and Black History Month (02:20–04:10).
• Casual catch-up on weekend outings and who didn’t invite whom to a Harlem gathering (05:02–09:54).
• Discussion of NYC nightlife, party etiquette, and Mal’s refusal to party with football players:

  “I tell y’all all the time, I do not party with football players. No, sir. Not me... They gonna take the shirt off, flip the table over, fight security, be on the Daily News…” – Mal (09:55–10:32)

• Commentary on Kanye West’s Mexico performance and his daughter North’s presence onstage, segueing into talks about nepotism in music (11:02–12:23).

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2. 2026 GRAMMYs: First Impressions and Critique

(12:27–14:53)

• Rory and Damaris note a stronger GRAMMYs energy this year and better diversity among nominees:

  "There were a lot of Black people nominated this year... when that happens, there is a different energy." – Damaris (13:39)

• The show felt “more balanced,” blending genres without forced marketing ploys (13:39–14:45).
• Hosts reflect on the diminishing regard for GRAMMYs in culture but admit the show remains a big moment for artists.

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3. Host Change and Future of the GRAMMYs

(15:11–17:09)

• Discussion of Trevor Noah's multi-year run as host and his “final term.”
• Nikki Glaser and Nicki Minaj are thrown out as possible future hosts, prompting laughter:

  “Let her host and we’ll just sit there… You want to see the ratings go through the roof?” – Rory (15:47)

• Jamie Foxx emerges as the hosts' dream choice.

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4. New Format: ‘Best New Artist’ Medley

(17:11–18:48, 25:10–26:26)

• New “artist versus” medley highlighted each Best New Artist nominee.

  “Everyone that was nominated for Best New Artist did a medley of their own songs together… Even if you weren’t a winner, you got to perform.” – Rory (17:11)

• Real musicians (esp. Leon Thomas) stood out against more pop-flashy acts.

5. Celebrating and Critiquing Performances

(18:09–22:24)

• Leon Thomas’ dual GRAMMY win lauded as a major highlight and his set praised for pure musicianship:

  “When Leon steps on the stage… It’s different. Bentley pulls up to Chrysler.” – Rory (18:04)

• New Artist medley draws hot takes, particularly first-time performer Addison Rae, whose set gets roasted for awkwardness and secondhand embarrassment.
• Contrast: Leon Thomas watched raise the room with just a guitar, emphasizing authenticity over spectacle.

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6. Snubs, Surprises, and the R&B Conversation

(25:41–29:44, 41:08–45:31)

• Damaris and Rory critique the GRAMMYs for not televising R&B awards and omitting Kehlani’s "Folded" from the main show:

  “Not televising the R&B awards and then not having Kehlani perform ‘Folded’—that’s where my hate is.” – Damaris (41:18)

• Recognition that this year’s R&B winners (Leon Thomas, Kehlani, Duran Bernard) feel deserved, with rare consensus:

  “...They got it right. With the R&B... I don’t know who they got in the voting [room], but they got that right.” – Damaris (44:43)

• Duran Bernard’s “Bloom” wins Best Progressive R&B Album. Hosts gush over his talent and vocal acrobatics.

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7. Pop Moments & Hot Takes on Icon Status

(25:49–38:40)

• Rory goes on an extended defense of Justin Bieber, who performed in boxers.

  “We take you for granted, Justin Bieber! …He stripped himself down. You didn’t see the genius in it?” – Rory (26:43)

• Damaris and Mal pushback, saying Bieber is not underrated, just sometimes extra.
• Lighthearted debate comparing Lady Gaga’s performance and career to Taylor Swift’s, suggesting Gaga is “who everyone thinks Taylor is” in terms of raw talent (36:02–36:31).
• Quick convo about Bruno Mars’ “lazy” set:

  “...Bruno is so much better than that for what I’ve seen him do.” – Rory (47:10)

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8. RAP & Big Category Discussion

(47:54–55:28)

• JID’s Best Rap Album nod—hosts savor his “ascension moment.”
• Best Rap Album goes to Kendrick (GNX1), with acknowledgment of the young LA talent on his album getting their own recognition, notably Lefty Gunplay.
• Mal laments missing out on a CLIPSE win, but praises their style.
• Several rap categories debated, with consensus that recent years’ selections have gotten “mostly right.”

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9. Tributes & Legacy Performances

(60:01–64:23)

• The D’Angelo & Roberta Flack tribute (presented by Lauryn Hill) hailed as a show-stopper.

  “Can this go on the road?... Lucky Day doing ‘Brown Sugar’—that’s intimidating. He understood the assignment.” – Rory (61:08, 61:24)

• Damaris singles out Bilal as her favorite of the performance.
• Playful ribbing about Lauryn Hill inviting her ex (Wyclef) just to play bass.
• Further props for the closing Wyclef & Lauryn tribute to “Killing Me Softly.”
• Cher’s confused presentation during the Luther Vandross tribute gets recapped for comic relief.

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10. Other Performances, Mariah Tribute, and Award Show Tropes

(67:17–70:33)

• The Mariah Carey tribute is seen as lackluster (“She deserves better than what she got. And I’m happy she was screwing her face up at all those people.” – Damaris, 70:33)
• Discussion on who should perform tributes, with notes on the pressure of honoring icons.

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11. Pop Culture, Internet Hot Takes, & Jay-Z/Epstein Rumors

(81:42–97:55)

• Rant about viral conspiracy theories tying Jay-Z, Pusha T, and others to Epstein files:

  “...This is so ridiculous… People are suggesting that Jay was... in the room...” – Rory (83:10)

• The hosts distinguish between valid inquiry and wild, baseless speculation:

  “People gotta be very careful… not everyone who found success did so doing nasty shit.” – Mal (96:22)

• Damaris appeals for media literacy and proper skepticism regarding “tip line” rumor-mongering.

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12. Sports, Boxing, and Mixed Bag Wrap-Up

(97:55–108:34)

• Quick congrats to Shakur Stevenson; boxing spectacle (wig comes off mid-fight) laughed about at length—a lighthearted cap to music talk.
• Brief nods to classic football conspiracies, Bill Belichick Hall of Fame status, and some personal banter.

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Notable Quotes (w/ Timestamps)

• On the new GRAMMY energy:
  “It just felt like a good balance of every genre of music and who should actually be nominated this year.”—Rory (14:45)

• On R&B representation:
  “...We were nominated in a lot of big categories this year, which a lot of the times with the GRAMMYs doesn’t happen.” —Damaris (13:43)

• On genuine artistry:
  “It’s different when a real musician pulls up. Shit just looked different.”—Rory (22:20)

• On internet conspiracy chatter:
  “This is so beyond ridiculous at this point… 1996, Jay Z and Harvey Weinstein? Stop.”—Mal (83:57)

• On tribute performances:
  “Can this go on the road?... I’ll pay top dollar.” —Rory, on D’Angelo/Roberta Flack tribute (61:08)

• On taste and GRAMMY fashion:
  “Was it the GRAMMYs last year where they did that weird Last Supper thing? I used to defend a lot of the demonic stuff. It’s getting hard to defend.” —Rory (35:00)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• GRAMMYs recap begins: 12:27
• Host discussion: 15:11–17:09
• New Artist medley: 17:57–26:26
• R&B awards & snubs: 41:08–45:31
• Pop stars, Lady Gaga & Taylor Swift: 36:02–36:31
• Bruno Mars critique: 46:36–47:27
• Rap Album Category: 47:54–55:28
• D’Angelo/Roberta Flack Tribute: 60:01–64:23
• Jay-Z/Epstein file discourse: 81:42–97:55

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Tone & Style

• Conversational, sharp, and freely opinionated—true to the “barbershop” style
• Hosts are unfiltered about industry trends, pop culture rumors, and musical performances
• Regular doses of playful grilling, especially about personal R&B opinions or New York pride
• Episode is filled with inside jokes, call-backs to older show themes, and meta-commentary on music fandom (especially Stan culture)

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For Listeners New to This Episode

This is an ideal episode if you want:

• An informal, passionate take on the 2026 GRAMMYs—who won, who flopped, what felt new
• Insights on the evolving state of music awards, and why they still matter (or don’t)
• Smart but irreverent discussion of pop culture, conspiracy, and musical legends
• Laughs, lighthearted arguments, and memes you’ll see repeated everywhere this week

Skip it if: You need a strictly fact-based, interview-heavy, or ad-free GRAMMYs roundup—this one is personality-driven and loaded with quirky sidebars.

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Note:
Ads, sponsor reads, and intros are omitted from this summary. For full segments and in-depth context, refer to the episode at: New Rory & Mal – Episode 450

Transcript

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[Damaris]

No worrying now.

[Rory]

He eyeballed Damaris weight and was right on par.

[Mal]

Yeah. Y' all still don't know how I did that, right? Yeah.

[Damaris]

How much do you think I weigh now?

[Mal]

Stand up. Let me look at you.

[Rory]

Now we starting now.

[Mal]

You're cool. I'm gonna say you down to about you about. That's looking like one. What did I say last time?

[Damaris]

You said 172. I was 174.

[Mal]

Okay, so right now, you're about to. That's looking like 148.

[Damaris]

God damn.

[Rory]

Oh, my God. He's like A Beautiful Mind. It's unbelievable. Like, he has this rare talent. You should go on America's Got Talent and guess it's exactly everybody's weight in the crowd.

[Damaris]

Like 104. I stepped on the scale yesterday. 148. Exactly.

[Mal]

Come on, man. That's me.

[Rory]

Yo, that trying to pull back in.

[Mal]

I'm on Netflix now. I'm not going back to the streets.

[Rory]

That's every time to pull me back in.

[Mal]

I'm not going back, man. I'm not going back. Mom. I'm done.

[Rory]

Yo, that's just a. That's a hilarious, like, look at what.

[Damaris]

I'm all good at.

[Rory]

Like, you being. Your autistic power of weight is hilarious.

[Mal]

Yeah, man. You got to be able to see what I'm saying. Eyeball that thing.

[Rory]

You're pretty much the scale that they weighed the whales with.

[Mal]

Exactly. Yeah.

[Rory]

Did you call me a.

[Damaris]

Well, during Black History Month?

[Rory]

Huh?

[Damaris]

You caught me a whale during Black History Month.

[Rory]

It's no.

[Mal]

Yeah, Let him know for Sojourner. Do it for Sojourner.

[Rory]

I wasn't even thinking.

[Mal]

Do it for Sojourner, baby D. Do it for Sojourner.

[Rory]

I think you could stand and gain a few pounds, yo.

[Mal]

Now, that's that Libra, though. You know, the scales. You know I can see them. You know I can eye that scale. You know what I'm saying? Right? There you go. You look good, though, baby.

[Rory]

That used to do. Oh, you. You could have had a crazy rap career just based off being a Libra and selling.

[Mal]

Don't want nothing with me, Stove. Don't really want an issue with me. That's why he. I don't know, man.

[Rory]

That swizz snippet.

[Mal]

Yeah, he don't know. He don't want no problem with me, man.

[Damaris]

That swizz snippet is crazy.

[Rory]

How many. How many of your friends, families do you think Stove ruined?

[Damaris]

What?

[Mal]

Oh, like a stove or stove got.

[Rory]

Him Stove got himself in Syracuse.

[Damaris]

Stop.

[Rory]

How many families he tore apart with his old trade.

[Damaris]

Stop.

[Mal]

His old trade. That was a trade.

[Rory]

I can tell when someone is telling the truth on a record.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't create. You can't make that up.

[Rory]

The greater Syracuse area is in fucking disarray because of that guy.

[Mal]

He's so happy he made it out. It's so happy the hoarder could be restored. So happy Stove found another hobby.

[Rory]

Melo had to bring his son there to rest, store, order like, nah, I gotta go back to Q, man.

[Mal]

Shout out to Stove. Gotti. That Swiss. That Swiss and Stove song sound all right, though? Yeah, that's that. That's that lane. I like Stove in, right there.

[Rory]

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[Mal]

Talk, text, and Da Da.

[Rory]

How is everyone feeling on this beautiful, beautiful top of the week.

[Mal]

Feel good, man. Feel good.

[Damaris]

I bet you do. I bet you do.

[Mal]

Why? Why? You bet I do. You know what's up, baby D? Cause you sound like you got. You feel like you got some smoke for me. You said you got a question for me. You got what happened.

[Damaris]

Because I was sitting at home, sitting at home yesterday, you know, alone, paying my toenails rocking back and forth, just really thinking about the lack of love. I had you paint your own toenails.

[Mal]

Like, when I be seeing you with your feet, that be you. That's your work.

[Rory]

No, you be seeing her feet like that.

[Damaris]

No, I was that bored. You be seeing her feet like that. To be fair, my feet always out on this podcast.

[Mal]

That's what I'm saying.

[Damaris]

But no, I get them done. But I was bored. So yesterday, I'm just sitting up there, you know, just twiddling my toes, and I look on the net, I look on the computer, the computer say.

[Rory]

I was about to say, that's my favorite computer. I look at the computer, the computer say, all outside.

[Damaris]

He was outside all over at Mitch job.

[Mal]

Oh. Oh, last night.

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[Damaris]

Yes, he did, Rory. Yes, he did.

[Mal]

Yeah, I went uptown. Cause my man is in town. My man Black from la, he was in town, so he was there, so I had to stop by and see him.

[Rory]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What time was this?

[Mal]

The Knick game had just started. So, like, 7:30. Yep, around 7:30.

[Rory]

I called you and I said, yo, hit me back when you get a second. I was in Harlem when I called you.

[Mal]

Oh, I mean, you didn't tell me you was in Harlem. I thought you were tomorrow. Tomorrow's birthday weekend.

[Rory]

I thought he was tomorrow's birthday was on Friday. I'm talking about yesterday, which was Sunday. I filmed here with Prince, and I had to take a hard drive up to Edin, and EDN happened to be in Harlem. And I called you after I dropped it off just so we could rap about some other shit. But I would have pulled up.

[Mal]

I didn't know you was in Harlem. I thought you, you know, you was home when I spoke to you.

[Rory]

I know when I hit you, I was in Harlem.

[Mal]

Yeah, but. But I wasn't when I spoke to you. I wasn't in Harlem yet.

[Rory]

I gotta give you my location.

[Mal]

Yeah, I wasn't in Harlem.

[Rory]

Ew.

[Damaris]

I gotta give you my location.

[Mal]

Yeah. So I went uptown to see Mitch. Shout out to Mitch. Yeah. And my man Black is in town from la. He was there.

[Damaris]

So I keep telling y', all, yo, hit me next time y' all go, yo, hit me. Niggas never hit me.

[Rory]

It was on Mitch's ig or it was on Mall's.

[Damaris]

It was on Mitch, I think Mall reposted.

[Mal]

I did not repost.

[Damaris]

It was on my mission.

[Mal]

See, that's Baby D star shit, you know? I did not repost.

[Rory]

Was he smiling? Was he having fun?

[Damaris]

Nah, he was rat.

[Mal]

Was I having fun? Like, was he happy to be outside? I mean, I was happy to see my peoples, man. That's all. You gotta go uptown and show love sometime, man.

[Rory]

Respectfully, that's what Mitch has been hiding under the baggy clothes.

[Mal]

Oh, no. Mitch is.

[Damaris]

You can see the ass under the baggy clothes.

[Rory]

I don't beat. That's a. That's a co worker.

[Mal]

I don't look.

[Rory]

I don't look that way.

[Mal]

No Mitch.

[Rory]

Oh, wait, you talking about that Black? That's my man.

[Mal]

Yeah, he was. He in town.

[Rory]

Yo, that's crazy.

[Mal]

So he was there, so I had to, you know, make sure I stopped by and see him. Yeah. So I went uptown for a minute, shout out to all the people uptown, saw some old faces that I ain't seen in a few years. It was good to be outside for a little bit.

[Damaris]

How much Bad Bunny you heard while you was there?

[Mal]

How much Bad Bunny? None.

[Damaris]

Really?

[Mal]

There's no Bad Bunny played in there.

[Damaris]

Damn.

[Rory]

In Harlem?

[Mal]

No. Yeah, not that spot I was in. Bad Bunny would have played. They just started throwing them, hooping.

[Rory]

That's the East Harlem. That's in el barrio, right?

[Mal]

No, that was on the west side.

[Rory]

Oh, all right, west side. That makes sense.

[Mal]

It was on left side.

[Rory]

All right, got you. Cool. Yeah, that's definitely That's a civil war people don't know about. Of East.

[Mal]

Yeah, about that one. We kind of keep that on the like, and don't really address it, but. Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah. Once you pass with the park, then. Then it turns into get a little all bad bunny.

[Mal]

Great food. Great food.

[Damaris]

But I told. I was like, oh. I'm like, oh, mall out without us. Like, again.

[Mal]

Again. When was the last time I was out without you?

[Damaris]

The last time you went.

[Mal]

I didn't go. I never went. It was my first time going. See, look, you trying to put.

[Damaris]

You literally. Didn't he admit last time and say that he. You said you wasn't going, and you ended up going, and Mitch.

[Mal]

Mitch wasn't gonna go.

[Rory]

They flaked on me. They flaked on me and didn't go.

[Mal]

And then she ended up going. Like, I opened my IG and saw hers and she was there. I was like. You told me this morning. When? At 11 o'. Clock. You told me you wasn't going.

[Rory]

Yo, my mom was watching Amara. Like, I was kind of outside. I mean, I didn't do anything, but I could have.

[Mal]

Yeah, I was only there for, like, maybe an hour.

[Rory]

109 and 5th. I was right there.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, you could definitely pull that. I was only there for, like, an hour and a half, though. I was gone before the game went off.

[Damaris]

I heard that the. The. The hookah place that you told me check out. Sorry for being too New York. Mira. I heard that that's where the ballers be, like, one of my, like, whole homegirls.

[Rory]

Where the ballers be?

[Mal]

That's what you heard?

[Damaris]

Ballers, shot callers, brawlers.

[Rory]

I heard that's where you and destiny style in 2001.

[Mal]

You heard that's where they be at, baby D. Yeah. So you about to go. About to pull up.

[Damaris]

No. Oh, no, not me. Me, personally, I'm not looking for a baller, but I just heard that that's where they be.

[Rory]

Are you talking about, like, basketball player or people with money?

[Damaris]

Yes, basketball players.

[Rory]

Okay?

[Damaris]

The shot callers are the people with money, and the brawlers are the boxers.

[Mal]

No, the brawlers are the football players.

[Damaris]

The brawlers.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah. They got helmet syndrome. Bad. They'd be so mad nobody recognize them when they walk outside. They try to make their name known. I play free safety, and they start slamming them. NFL, I do not. I tell you all the time, I do not party with football players. No, sir, not me.

[Damaris]

They always end up shirtless by the end of the night.

[Mal]

That's what they do. That's what they do. They gonna take the shirt off, they gonna flip the table over, they gonna fight security, and then they gonna be on the Daily News, and then they gonna be at the podium with the turtleneck and Cartier glasses talking about, I'm going to therapy. Put the steroids down. That's what you need to do, and get ready for week seven. That's what you need.

[Rory]

But I will say, anytime, like, a football player has a meltdown or does something crazy, they do now have the awful cushion that we give them some grace. He probably is cte.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, that is kind of nice to have that cushion. Like, I could just go wild the fuck out. And I was gonna be like, yo, we can. We have the conversation now, finally. Maybe CT is a problem. Maybe Will Smith needs to put his African voice back on and teach us.

[Mal]

It's kind of like Kanye's frontal lobe got to. You know, I'm saying, make sure the frontal lobes are okay. Get them CAT scans.

[Damaris]

Have you guys seen the clips from his performance in Mexico?

[Rory]

I do.

[Mal]

That one song he did was. Was dope. That new song, he.

[Rory]

I didn't see that one. I saw, like, Runaway. Can't tell Me Nothing. I loved what he did with North. I mean, despite Kanye disagreements, it's great to see you and your Daughter perform for 42, 000 people in Mexico City.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that's.

[Rory]

That's fire.

[Mal]

Just.

[Rory]

Just to let her get her off.

[Mal]

Like, I saw that.

[Rory]

That's the nepotism I want to see.

[Mal]

That's why I was like, yo, dog, like, time flies. Like, north is, like, a teenager. Yeah. Like, that is crazy.

[Damaris]

Like, she's only 12, but.

[Mal]

Yeah, but, I mean, yeah, she'll be 13, you know?

[Damaris]

I mean, like, I get what you're saying.

[Mal]

Yeah, it's crazy.

[Rory]

Yeah. Remember when the viral birth.

[Mal]

Like, insane.

[Rory]

They have, like, seven kids, though.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

No, listen, man, how old is Blue? Blue danced on a whole tour.

[Mal]

Yeah, no, Blue. Blue. She's older than 12.

[Rory]

Blue got to be, like, 14.

[Mal]

Yeah. Definitely not 12.

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[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Well, either way, we'll eventually get to that news, and we can talk about the Kanye concert at some point. But I do want to start with the Grammys. I know you were out having fun, talking to all the women. I just watched the video. You and Black talking at the bar. I was making some play. Y' all was even scheming on something right there. There was definitely out of frame. There was something. I can tell how Mitch framed it, that it wasn't just y' all two sitting right there. I know how frames work.

[Mal]

Oh, man.

[Rory]

Were you able to catch the Grammys? I do want to do a Grammy recap. 2026. This one's powered by Boost, too. Boost literally powers the whole world.

[Mal]

Boos is definitely powering this segment of our Grammy recap. This is our favorite time of year. We get to kind of talk about some of our predictions.

[Rory]

It's not your favorite time of year?

[Mal]

Well, some. You know, a little bit. We talk about some of our predictions. Who was right? Surprises, snubs, if you will. Who should have gotten award that didn't. But, yeah, I mean, you know, we don't really hold the Grammy to the regard we once did. You know, I guess it's kind of like whatever. But it is a special time of year for all recording artists, though.

[Rory]

We were talking off mic, I thought they did good this year. Like, I actually thoroughly enjoyed the Grammys with From performances to winners, whatever, because that doesn't necessarily matter too much to me. But I thought they put on a pretty good show for where award shows are at these days. I thought they did well. And I almost feel like the energy around Grammy weekend this year was higher. And I don't know if that's my algorithm or just everyone I know was in LA for it, but it was definitely different. I don't know, it just felt like the Grammys cared more this year about the presentation and the whole weekend, but I could be off. That's just my perception.

[Damaris]

There were a lot of blacks nominated this year, and I think.

[Mal]

Is that the energy? Is that the shift that you were feeling, maybe?

[Damaris]

No, for real. There were a lot of black people nominated this year, and I think that. That when that happens, there is a different energy that we see because our algorithms and our connections and who we know. Like, yeah, there was a little bit of a different energy. We were nominated in a lot of big categories this year, which a lot of the times with the Grammys, doesn't happen.

[Rory]

So what did you think overall, before we start breaking down performances?

[Mal]

I thought it was cool. There was a few artists that I thought would win that didn't. Some artists that won that I didn't think would goes both ways. But I think overall the vibe was cool. I think it was definitely, you know, a little better than it's been in the previous years. And again, it may be to what Damaris was saying, maybe certain artists that we actually really like were nominated. It felt like the new artists that we really liked were there, was representing. So it was kind of, like, that energy of having new blood on the stage and, you know, giving the next generation of superstars, like, kind of a night to shine and win some Grammys. So maybe that's what it was. Maybe it was a mix of that.

[Rory]

It just felt more balanced and not, like, in the way the NFL puts, like, end racism in the end zone.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Or like, tries to make it more of a marketing thing of what? It just felt like a good balance of every genre of music and who should actually be nominated. There was something for everybody this year, and that's not even like a ad for the Grammys because we've shit on the Grammys constantly. I just felt like this year they got it right the best way that they could.

[Mal]

Is Trevor Noah, the official host of every Grammys moving forward?

[Damaris]

He was, but now it's his time. This was his last year.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

So this was his Obama's second term is over year.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

This is his 2016.

[Rory]

Yeah. Or his jersey swap season.

[Mal]

So who's. Who's next? Do we know?

[Damaris]

It needs to be Nikki. Yeah.

[Rory]

Demaris and I were talking during the Grammys. Cause Nikki Glazer was. She was up there.

[Mal]

Oh, I thought you were talking about Nicki Minaj. I said, all right, hold on. Do we know the kind of, like, how they feeling about my girl Nikki right now?

[Rory]

You know what? You know what? Let her host.

[Mal]

I was ready to go.

[Rory]

Let's go crazy. Let her host and we'll just sit there.

[Mal]

Oh, my God. You want to see the ratings go through the roof?

[Rory]

Did you see her tweets during the Grammys?

[Mal]

No.

[Rory]

She might as well host it.

[Mal]

No, I didn't see him.

[Damaris]

Lord have mercy.

[Mal]

Nikki was giving him something. She was giving something to think about.

[Rory]

No, nothing to think about.

[Mal]

Yeah, let Nikki host it. Next one. But no, Nikki. Nikki Glazer. She's. She's funny, though.

[Rory]

She. She was up there with s. Who was it? Tiana. She was up there with Tiana. Um, I think she would be great to host the entire thing. She's. She's hilarious. But, I mean, I. Trevor did great. For what it's worth, I feel like.

[Mal]

He'S been there since, what, Covid? Probably for Covid. For sure. He was out. He was. He was at the outside Grammys for sure.

[Rory]

I mean, to me, I would love if Jamie Foxx hosted the Grammys every year, because Jamie.

[Mal]

Nothing Jamie Foxx can't do.

[Rory]

And I think he embodies as far as, like, Ricky Gervais with the Oscars or Jimmy Kimmel. With the Oscars. They're in that side of show business and they're comedians. Like, to me, that makes sense. Jamie being the greatest comedian music artist of all time.

[Mal]

Comedian, musician, he can go from a joke, sit down at the piano, play some keys.

[Rory]

I would love if Jamie was a great.

[Mal]

He has great impersonations. He can impersonate different artists and things like that. I think Jamie Foxx is definitely.

[Rory]

He would be the perfect Grammy host. But Trevor did great from 2021 to 2026.

[Mal]

Yeah. So he was difficult. Okay.

[Rory]

I think we've talked about for the last few years that award shows, obviously their ratings are plummeting because there's so much other stuff to do. I liked that they tried to revamp it in a music way. The new artist versus, I thought was cool. And of course, I'm coining that myself. But everyone that was nominated for best new Artist did a medley of their own songs together as one performance. I like that one. I think that's dope. Just to highlight all the next talent. And even if you weren't a winner, you got to perform at the Grammys as a best new Artist. And it allows us as the viewers that want to debate and be idiots on a microphone to say, yo, who got who? Like, I thought it was the perfect way to try to pivot with what's going on on the Internet for an award show.

[Mal]

And it definitely doesn't hurt their streaming, though. So there's that. Everybody. Everybody woke up happy today. All of these artists.

[Rory]

And we can start with that one. Listen, man, it's different when Leon steps on the stage.

[Mal]

Shout out to Leon Thomas and congrats to him as well. Friend of the show. Somebody who we all felt like would eventually win a Grammy for his Mutt album. And he did last night. He won two if I'm correct.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Mal]

Two time Grammy winner Leon Thomas, Brooklyn's very own.

[Rory]

Yeah. He won for best traditional R and B performance with Vibes Don't Lie. And then he won for R and B album. And you know what?

[Mal]

Very well deserved.

[Rory]

Let's make it about me.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

Every time you guys clown me when I go to a studio session or I'm. I'm on camera with Jim Jones just knocking my head a little too hard to what's in the speakers. I came in here the day that Leon and I did our record together. That's out now. Who are you anyway? He played me Mutt. The day that we did that, Mud had not been out. I came in here and I said, bro, it might be. It's going to be the best album of the year.

[Mal]

You definitely, like, this is.

[Rory]

This is. Leon Thomas is out of here. This is going to be. I tried to get my record out so quick because I knew if I waited, I wouldn't be able to get it out, because I knew the ascension of Leon Thomas was about that. When he played that shit, I was like, I don't care. This is studio speakers. This is the greatest shit I've ever heard in the last however many years.

[Mal]

No, Leon is. He's definitely one of my favorite artists right now. Like, you know, just the attention to detail, the artist, the musicianship, and I was happy to see him. See him get two Grammys, because he definitely deserved that album is incredible.

[Rory]

And, I mean, granted, I'm biased. I wanted him to win best new Artist, but if anyone were to get it, I'm so happy for Olivia Dean. She's. She's.

[Mal]

Fire Another. Another talent.

[Rory]

Now let's come with some hate.

[Mal]

Yes.

[Rory]

Who was part of the show? Who was the girl that's. That popped off the verses when she was in the loading dock? Like, where they drop off all the folding chairs? Addison Rae, she could be dope. I don't know. My first time seeing it, that was like, I don't even want to be mad at her. Who's your. Who choreographed that shit?

[Mal]

Who produced that fam?

[Rory]

You just got some random guy pushing a fucking laundry thing to pick you up, and then you ass naked. Like, the direction of that entire thing was secondhand embarrassment to me. And then you saw the journey through the rest of the best new artists. If I'm that girl's manager, seeing the difference of everyone's performance compared to the one that popped it off. Yeah, you need to fire your whole team.

[Mal]

I mean, if y' all thought that.

[Rory]

Shit was cool, she looked nuts.

[Mal]

Yeah, but we've had. We've seen performances from artists before that look nuts, and it's just not the artists that we really. You know.

[Rory]

And I know they thought they probably killed. Yeah, we gonna have the drone coming in with the truck. I was on board right away. I said, oh, this is fire.

[Mal]

Mm.

[Rory]

This is where things got really dark and really weird.

[Damaris]

What is.

[Rory]

This is awkward. Y' all don't have secondhand embarrassment without the volume even on.

[Mal]

I mean, but this is. This is loading. This is loading, Doc. Choreography, though. This is, like, Loading Dot.

[Damaris]

Choreography is hilarious.

[Rory]

This is like Bad west side Story. Broadway, she's like, what are we crawling on? Like, come on, what are we doing? Then she ends up ass naked after men in black pick her up.

[Mal]

Oh, that was my favorite. My favorite part of the set right there. That's when I was like, nah, this is out of here.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's gonna go like, what are we. What are we doing?

[Mal]

Good pamper right there. Good diaper.

[Damaris]

I mean, I've seen worse. I don't think that that's that bad.

[Rory]

Damaris.

[Damaris]

It's bad, but it's not that bad.

[Rory]

And then they took her magical cape and put it over the camera.

[Damaris]

It's pop. It's pop star shit.

[Rory]

Bad pop star shit.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I wasn't that mad at it, though.

[Rory]

But it was rough as the performance continued with everyone else. And that kind of just shows. And again, I'm not taking anything away from that. That woman. I'm sure she is very talented. To where she's gotten. I've never gotten there. I'm really not hating like that. It's just different when a real musician shows up. When. When the Bentley pulls up to the Chrysler. All Leon Thomas needed to do was walk on that stage with his guitar. Did you watch the entire. Was it Staples Center? Everyone stood up like it was crypto.

[Mal]

Yeah, sorry.

[Rory]

Did you see the difference? When Leon Thomas came with just his guitar, everyone stood up.

[Mal]

But to what Damaris was saying, it's.

[Rory]

Different when a real musician pulls up. Shit just looked different.

[Mal]

Everybody. But again, people I think were in, you know, in the room. I think everybody was kind of excited to see Leon perform.

[Rory]

Everyone in that fucking crowd saying, mutt word.

[Mal]

He's one of those artists that I think everybody knows his music, his song. And, you know, seeing him on stage, it's like a. A lot of people probably never saw Leon perform live yet that was in that building. So. You know what I mean? It's just a different energy when the artist that we all unanimously is like, yo, his album is crazy.

[Damaris]

And on top of that, even people who might not be familiar with Leon or his album, and you just see, like, you know, them people who are in the country world or deep, deep in the pop world or the K pop world. And then you have this artist get on stage where there's plenty of artists, especially in R and B, they get on stage and they bore you. No, he gonna get on stage and he's gonna like, oh, he's a musician. You know what I'm saying? So then it's like, oh, I didn't know he was like that because even when I went to go see Leon perform and I seen Leon running From the damn drums to the guitar to the. And I was like, oh, I know. Leon was like that. You know what I'm saying?

[Mal]

So, yeah, definitely musician.

[Damaris]

Yeah. So I think that that's dope for more people to discover him. Even people in his arena, not fans, but people in his arena to be like, you know, like, oh, I might want to work with this person. This is a real musician.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mal]

No, Leon definitely took that, that time last night on that stage to. If you didn't know about me and know who I was, you know now and you know what I'm capable of, you could just see the energy. You could see it in his performance. Like he knew what he needed to do with that time slot. He had to make a statement. He had to kind of separate himself from anybody else and show that he is a real musician.

[Rory]

And that's why I think Ty Dollar Sign has been such like, I don't want to say mentor to him. Cause that's for Leon to say if it's his mentor. But he signed to Ty Dollar Sign. I don't know if you guys saw any of the clips of the Ty Dollar Sign jam session that was happening over the Grammys weekend. Again, when other people show, you just see the difference. Chrysler to Bentley. He did a whole jam session, had people come out. Ty is just different. You don't need the bells and whistles when you're that fucking talented. Every clip I saw was like, this is why even Kanye would do a joint out like this. He's the guy. You don't need shit. He had a fucking keyboard, a mpc and everyone was just surrounding him. And he had a two hour jam session of his stuff. He brought people up like, when you're that good, you don't need. You don't. You don't need men in black to pick you up so you can show your 100% cotton white underwear. You just. You just need to be talented.

[Mal]

Where did he do this at?

[Rory]

I don't know what, they streamed it? No, I just saw all the clips on Instagram. People were filming it, but it was a live stream. Maybe there was a live stream. I wish I would have watched it, but I liked. Somber's performance was great. Obviously. Olivia Deen's performance is great. The gentleman who had the fucked up thing with his earpiece, he was cool. It was great. I think this new artist versus thing is.

[Mal]

I like that.

[Rory]

Great, great.

[Mal]

I think that was a great addition to the show. Again, giving the new artists stage that big to perform on because it takes you had to. As an artist. It takes a lot to get to that point where you have a set on a Grammy stage to perform. Like, you got to go through a whole maybe five, 10 years before you even get half of a look like that, before somebody even brings you on as a guest on their set for a Grammy performance. So this new segment that they implemented to this year's Grammys, I think that that was a great addition.

[Rory]

Yeah. Now on some non hating shit. I want to speak to.

[Mal]

We done with the hate.

[Rory]

No, I want to speak to.

[Damaris]

I have some more hate, but I.

[Rory]

Want to speak to the haters. Y' all don't deserve Justin Bieber.

[Damaris]

Here you go.

[Rory]

Y' all do not deserve the goat. The nerve of y'. All. The nerve of y' all to say anything about the God. Justin Bieber and his performance. That performance was incredible. The nerve. What were people saying about it? Retire. We don't, bro. We do not. We take you for granted, Justin Bieber. Which camera? Justin Bieber. We take you for granted. I'm so sorry as a music consumer that me and my fellow fans take you for. They was hating all. All through X said it was the worst performance. He went nuts on that.

[Damaris]

Nobody said it was the worst performance. They said, why are you in your draw?

[Rory]

I was. Even when I was putting together the list today, the number one worst moment was Justin Bieber in his drawers and socks. He walked off the stage and came back, bro, y'.

[Damaris]

All.

[Rory]

We don't deserve you, Justin. I'm sorry. I'm apologizing for the world. We don't deserve.

[Mal]

I think he should have been dressed.

[Rory]

I think he should have been dressed.

[Mal]

I think he sounded great. Loved the records, loved the songs. But, you know, it's like, bro, this is the Grammys. You could have put. What statement was Justin trying to give us with the boxers and just the boxers.

[Damaris]

Like, he said, who would the boxers.

[Rory]

And it's a stripped down version of you guys. So he stripped himself down. You didn't see the genius in it.

[Mal]

My bad, Justin. I ain't my bad. Okay, now that y'.

[Rory]

All.

[Mal]

Now that y' all presented like that. He was. He was on par. He knew what he was doing.

[Rory]

I'm not even trying to do a. A hot taker or statement. I actually really, like, really do believe this. I think, because Justin Bieber has been famous his entire life and we're so used to Justin Bieber. I really think that Justin Bieber is underrated and does not get the actual credit he really deserves. I Think we're so used to. Get the fuck out of here.

[Mal]

Justin Bieber is not underrated, man. What's wrong with you?

[Damaris]

I think he's trying to balance out.

[Rory]

He just should have put some fucking.

[Mal]

Clothes on last night.

[Rory]

That's all he has to do.

[Damaris]

He's ODing.

[Mal]

Justin Bieber's underrated.

[Rory]

We're so used to Justin that it's just like we. This greatness just happens all the time. Anytime people are talking about pop stars, as far as album discography, singles performance, actual real talent of somebody producing their own album, no one brings up Justin when we have those pop star conversations. Everyone just leaves Justin because we're so used to him.

[Damaris]

Who did I bring up?

[Mal]

Roy?

[Rory]

I mean, the regulars from Michael, Chris, Beyonce, Usher, everything.

[Tara Davis Woodhull]

Get him.

[Damaris]

Get him.

[Mal]

Okay, so those are the. Those are the icons alleges. But Justin is. He's in that conversation when we talk.

[Rory]

About the take out, the dancing part and you and yeah, of course he shouldn't be in those conversations, but when we talk about Adele, just straight up pop stars that are incredible, Justin should be brought up without a thought. And he's not brought up in those conversations.

[Mal]

But I think the conversations you talking about.

[Rory]

Have you listened to Swag? It's flawless.

[Mal]

Great album. But I'm just saying, I mean, I don't think just Justin B was not underrated.

[Damaris]

He's not underrated.

[Mal]

He's not underrated.

[Rory]

Anytime you have. Anytime we even have pop star conversations on this podcast outside of dancing, no one runs immediately to Justin the way we do with every other name.

[Damaris]

Okay, so. Well, let's also, let's. Let's tone it down a little bit more. Swag came out. Everybody thought Justin, like, had set his career out, sent it out to pasture. Like, you were not on this Justin Bieber wave outside of journals. Outside of journals. You were not on this Justin Bieber wave until Swag came out. You weren't even mentioning his name. You.

[Rory]

Excuse me.

[Mal]

Okay, now I will say when on that Diddy album, that love album, that Justin record, we did come.

[Damaris]

We did talk about that for sure, but I'm talking about Justin Solo himself. You were not checking for Justin outside of journals. You were not checking for Justin before.

[Rory]

Do you know how much I brought up purpose the album after Journals changes.

[Damaris]

Okay, okay.

[Rory]

You know we record all this shit.

[Damaris]

Yeah, we do. But you just said that we don't have those conversations. You're included in that.

[Mal]

That Chris Brown, like, Like, why are.

[Damaris]

We having this conversation? You know what I'm saying? Like he tripping.

[Mal]

That's your CB Wait, what?

[Rory]

All right, what am I tripping about? You see, this is why commenters, people on the Internet. You have to tell me what I'm tripping on.

[Damaris]

Ms. JB, SCB. Funny as Justin Bieber is extremely talented, I'm not taking anything away from him, but he's not underrated.

[Mal]

He just should have put some jeans on.

[Rory]

Like he's not underrated. But CB I think Chris Brown gets his flowers. The moment we have those debates. Sometimes I even think Chris Brown is underrated, which we talked about. As far as the top stars go.

[Mal]

Chris Brown, they underrated. He underrated to Mike. Okay, cool.

[Rory]

Because. Because Damaris and myself included, sometimes with his discography, compared to other legends, his. His peers, Chris Brown is a legend. But compared to his peers, people debate. His discography is not there. It's more of singles. It's more of that. On top of that, everything that happened with his personal life and the Rihanna thing put a stain on everything, which also takes away from it. That's what I'm saying. I think CB doesn't get his flowers the way maybe he would had. Obviously that not happened. And maybe the disarvey looked different. Justin never gets brought up.

[Mal]

Africa gave him his flowers for sure. Where was he at Joburg? Where was he at?

[Rory]

I was at MetLife throwing flowers at him. No, I'm with you, but I'm just saying thieves is never brought up in those conversations. I think we take him for granted. I think we take Justin Bieber for granted.

[Damaris]

White people don't take Justin Bieber for granted. So let me clear this up.

[Rory]

We're talking about maybe pop stars.

[Damaris]

Okay, okay.

[Rory]

Of course they'll sell out Arena. Not saying like, yo, Justin should go do sob.

[Damaris]

But you're saying in these conversations, and I. I think you're referring to conversations that black people are having. White people who discuss pop stars are never leaving Justin Bieber out of a conversation. Do you understand that? So, like, when you say we, you must meet us in his room. Cuz that's not like I'm talking.

[Rory]

Damn, I'm talking.

[Damaris]

Okay, so when you say underrated, say in this room, like not outside of this room.

[Rory]

James, what hipster barbershop are white people having pop star debates in? You're saying that to white people, not Justin gets his flowers. Where are white people debating pop stars? I'd like to go to that room.

[Damaris]

White people. White people.

[Rory]

Me and Jeremy, the only ones talking about it.

[Damaris]

White people talk about pop and Justin Bieber is not he's not underrated. But that's your opinion.

[Mal]

If you want to just say Justin Bieber is not.

[Damaris]

He's not underrated. Just say you like him. And so you do that. Like, sometimes just say you really like the album. You don't got to say he underrated.

[Rory]

He swag. One and two are amazing.

[Damaris]

They're amazing.

[Rory]

Challenges is amazing.

[Mal]

I feel like on last night, Rory wouldn't even be saying this. All he had to do was put on some denims. That's all Beef needed last night.

[Damaris]

Little wranglers. Little wranglers.

[Mal]

Put some fucking pants on, bro.

[Rory]

I wouldn't be on this rant right now if I didn't see the overall response to that of saying it was an awful performance, which to me is insane. Like, find somebody that could do that.

[Mal]

Are they saying vocally he didn't sound good?

[Rory]

They just said it was an awful, awkward performance. I was like, duh. That's.

[Mal]

Yeah, being.

[Rory]

Were you. Were you listening to how he was.

[Mal]

On stage at the Grammys in your underwear is awkward. Maybe that's what they were.

[Rory]

As. As opposed. I thought he sounded as opposed to what?

[Damaris]

Jeans, pants?

[Rory]

What's the chick that's saying girls, you got your titties out. What are we talking about?

[Damaris]

Keep saying girls. This is.

[Rory]

Oh, chaperone is what she. They had her whole titties out.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

Justin can't sit there in his socks in his underwear.

[Mal]

You know, I just. I'd rather.

[Rory]

I thought it was free.

[Mal]

The nipple always, but. Yeah, but not Biebs nipples, though. Nobody wants nipples. Some people want to see Beef Chapter's nipples. Yes. Biebs, put a shirt on, bro. That's just me, though. That's just me.

[Rory]

And speaking of outfits, I'll stop my right in a second so we can get to more fun stuff. I've noticed that I am the old parent at this point. Anytime people used to be like, yo, get this devil Illuminati off our Grammy stages. I've been like, oh, that's art. Y' all just don't understand it. I turned into that person last night.

[Damaris]

He was hating on Lady Gaga so bad.

[Rory]

Was that. That wasn't lady guy who had all the red and all that. Yeah, man. Amar don't need to see this devil.

[Damaris]

It's not.

[Mal]

Look at the parent coming out of here.

[Rory]

I'm becoming the person that I used to clown so much like, bro, y' all don't understand art. You have to push limits. I'm sitting there like, this is ridiculous. Can we get Jesus Back in this.

[Damaris]

But this how I know he gay, right? Cuz you complaining about. You complain about Lady Gaga wearing red, but you and having like a mask on, but you not mad at like with his drawers out. It's cool for Amar to see that.

[Rory]

That'S how a dad dresses at home.

[Mal]

Yeah, he makes a point she used.

[Damaris]

To see on white men in their draws. My bad. You right? Nothing new.

[Mal]

Nah.

[Rory]

But was it the Grammys last year where they did that really weird like Last Supper thing? I used to defend a lot of the, like, was that for the demonic?

[Mal]

The J record? The Khaled record?

[Rory]

No, no, no. It. That closed. It was the beginning.

[Mal]

Oh, I can't remember that.

[Rory]

It was always the Olympics. Yeah, I used to like really defend that stuff. It's getting to a point that it's. It's hard to defend. Just like this is.

[Mal]

You got to see the artistry.

[Rory]

This is so obvious.

[Mal]

You have to see the artistry in everything. You got to see it.

[Rory]

And this isn't like some right wing Jesus, but it's just obvious.

[Damaris]

Well, to be fair, Lady Gaga's career has always.

[Rory]

Oh, the whole time she had the what Wilson look like and Cast Away mask. Like she's been like that. You're not even ready for that.

[Mal]

Love Gaga, but she's just trying to bounce back from that Joker 2 movie. That was rough. I mean, that Joker. What was the name of that one piece? That was rough.

[Rory]

That was fucking.

[Mal]

Oh my God.

[Rory]

It was really bad. Yeah, Joker the Musical is really what it was. But Damaris, we were even saying we were texting back and forth during the Grammys. I don't know if Gaga gets some of the respect she deserves.

[Damaris]

Yeah, she gets it from the Grammys for sure. But Gaga has like. I text Rory and I say, yo, Gaga, been eating the pop girls up for like 20 years.

[Rory]

I said. I said Gaga is who everyone thinks Taylor Swift is. Not by numbers.

[Damaris]

Well, who do people think Taylor Swift is?

[Rory]

Who's the great white hope with talent? With the girlies? Yeah. Gaga is who everyone thinks Taylor is.

[Mal]

I think Taylor is Taylor.

[Damaris]

Gaga eats bad, bro.

[Rory]

Gaga is a different level of talent.

[Mal]

Oh, no.

[Rory]

Talent.

[Mal]

Oh no. Lady Gaga's.

[Rory]

And Taylor Swift is talented. I want to make that.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I don't want no smoke.

[Mal]

No, but Lady Gaga is.

[Rory]

She's.

[Mal]

You know that we've. To Damaris's point, for years, Lady Gaga has been killing any and everybody in her category. Like, she's Gaga. When they just call you Gaga, that's when you know, like, yeah. The lady is gone. It's Gaga.

[Rory]

Lady Gaga.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Mm.

[Mal]

No. Warrior.

[Damaris]

Now.

[Rory]

Mall. That appears to be the iPhone 16.

[Mal]

It is.

[Rory]

That's nasty, man.

[Mal]

It is.

[Rory]

Come on. Do you love yourself?

[Mal]

I do.

[Rory]

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[Mal]

Exactly.

[Rory]

Get your sweet 16 out of here.

[Mal]

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[Rory]

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[Mal]

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[Rory]

All right, get your head off now.

[Damaris]

What Hate? What do you want?

[Rory]

All right. Is it good? It's going to be the Rory hey cast.

[Mal]

I mean, I'm here, I'm sitting next to you dragging it as always.

[Damaris]

Do you hate?

[Rory]

Go ahead.

[Mal]

What's next?

[Rory]

Because they're going to think I have a personal vendetta and this is what they do to them on. And I feel them now because I don't have no issues.

[Damaris]

Well, my hate.

[Rory]

Let me get my hair and I can't wait for his.

[Damaris]

Let me get my hate off her.

[Rory]

I love it.

[Damaris]

And this is this toward the Grammys.

[Rory]

Probably got eight hours of sleep because of that Bruno performance. Go ahead.

[Damaris]

Not. Not. We're going to get to Rory hating on Bruno again. It's such an old topic now. Not televising the R and B Awards and then not having Kaylani perform Folded.

[Rory]

Crazy.

[Damaris]

That's where my.

[Mal]

Yeah, that was wild.

[Damaris]

That's insane.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's.

[Damaris]

That's.

[Mal]

I definitely thought we was gonna get a folded performance.

[Damaris]

That's insane.

[Rory]

Let's give the Grammys some great. I feel like that was a huge conversation. And based off the hours that they had. And that was probably the last thing that got cut. There's no way they didn't think about that.

[Mal]

You can't cut. Kehlani folded, though. How you cut that.

[Rory]

That's why I disagree with the.

[Mal]

The new artist versus new artists.

[Rory]

That took like 40 minutes. Yeah. Peach. Peach brings up a point. We love the new artist versus thing, but that just took a whole slot that could have been broken up into probably two or three different performances from other artists.

[Mal]

I get it.

[Rory]

But I do. As much as I love legacy stuff, I like that new artists get that. I'm not mad at that slot being there.

[Mal]

I'm not mad at it. But maybe it does need to be maybe three of the new artists. Four.

[Rory]

But then it's weird because if you get nominated, like, and it was because Olivia Dean went last. Right. And then she won. Like, that'd be awkward if, like just her and Leon did that or now we know what time. But my thing is with this great concept almost to Peaches point as well. What if next year the new artist category isn't John Blaze like that and.

[Mal]

They just forced us to watch all this new artist or Rory. What if it came down to Bieb or Kehlani?

[Damaris]

I mean, Kehlani. But we're not going to do that because Bieb is the bigger name. But Kehlani.

[Rory]

I would much rather see Kehlani folded.

[Damaris]

Yeah, Kehlani deserved that spot.

[Rory]

But in the same outfit. That beef was my bad. I'm sorry. That actually have said that some skims.

[Mal]

I could just do. Yeah.

[Rory]

Kine puts a K. Would you be mad with the if.

[Mal]

If K wor I would still be watching. I would still be like, God damn, when does this go off?

[Damaris]

And shout out to Kehlani for her rent win for best R B song.

[Rory]

And our brother Dixon.

[Mal]

I mean, were we surprised that she won? That was like shout out to Dixon. Our guy folded winning. But were we surprised? I mean, we knew that Kehlani was gonna. We knew that.

[Damaris]

No, there was a part of me that was afraid. Like, when we talked about our predictions, I was afraid that Leon was going it from Her. But she deserved it. But I was afraid that Leon was going to take it from her.

[Mal]

Okay, wait. Cuz folder was up against Mutt.

[Rory]

No. Nah. Yes, it is. Was not Mut.

[Damaris]

Yes it is. I'm sorry.

[Mal]

That's my.

[Damaris]

That's my too. I ain't going to lie.

[Mal]

Yes, it is.

[Damaris]

That's my.

[Rory]

No, but this sounds like it's. We are Thomas Pod. You know, Mut Mut the album. Mut the song. All it's nominated. Then you go to best traditional R and B performance. It's Vibes don't Lie. Leon. Thomas. Best R and B song. It's. Yes, it is. That's kind of unheard of that you would have that many different records in that mud. Album is usually somebody has one record. One album that. That.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Cleans everything up. You got B sides. That's on best R B. Leon.

[Mal]

Ain't true. Once you get R B album of the year. Yeah. All that other.

[Rory]

Usually they'll find one song that means.

[Mal]

All my was fire.

[Damaris]

I feel like. I feel like they got it right. Like with the R B. I don't know who they got in the voting category. I mean in the voting back there backstage now. But they got that right.

[Mal]

Jimmy Jam.

[Damaris]

They did that right.

[Mal]

And the secret boys in that room.

[Rory]

Don'T do that.

[Mal]

I'm sorry.

[Rory]

I do think that they. They nailed R B. R B performance folded. Best traditional vibes don't lie. Best R B song folded. Best progressive R B album.

[Mal]

Bloom.

[Rory]

Duran Bernard. After we had our end of the year, like, R B list, did you guys ever go back to listen to my list? I know you didn't. I did. I did. I'm asking rhetorical question.

[Mal]

When you get into your arm, which you've put me on to a lot of R B. I'm never ignoring your R B list, bro. I definitely went back and listened that Bloom album.

[Rory]

I'm so happy that that one.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And when he ran on stage, like, I love to watch that whole of people that deserve it.

[Mal]

Like the Rambana was one of those names we should have had in our R B draft.

[Rory]

He's so fucking good.

[Mal]

Yeah. Duran Bernard, his vocal ability is just on a whole different level.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

It's almost like. It's almost embarrassing to have that type of vocal talent. Like he's one of those people that sing. Like if you could sing. And he walks in the room. You like, hear this, hear this.

[Rory]

Go.

[Mal]

Hear this, go. This Duran Bernard, he's one of those dudes. Vocally, he's on A whole different level.

[Rory]

No, it's literally when you're doing. Doing birthday karaoke and then a train we trying to have fun over.

[Mal]

Yeah. We ain't even coming here for all that. You come in here with this extra. All these pretty ass runs. You doing this like, come on, man.

[Rory]

Yeah, it takes. It takes me 40 minutes. My engineering pro tools. You just show up, get the man.

[Mal]

Shout out to Durant. I was. I was happy to see him win. Win the Grammy, though.

[Damaris]

Same. So Rory is about to hate on Bruno Mars performance, and this time I'm actually not gonna stop him because he wasn't jacking it. I wasn't. Bruno. This is. I'm starting to get bored. And y' all know I'll die about Bruno. I am starting to get bored.

[Rory]

And when it comes to legends in their own right, I only compare their work to them. Nobody else. Bruno Mars performances. When it. Whether it be fucking doing verses with Beyonce at the Super Bowl. Bruno Mars is a great, great performer. He's a. Felt like a very lazy, lazy, like, iheartmedia commercial.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, it looked like a. Like the way target, like, sets. It was like the cars for kids set up. Like, you just threw on some red shit in the back. And I don't know. To me, Bruno, in an album cycle year.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Where all of us are focused on one of the biggest pop icons of our generation with all the flowers. To me, I think you give a better effort. And this is Monday morning quarterback shit. I know I sound like a hater. I just think Bruno is so much better than that for what I've seen him do.

[Damaris]

Yeah. I agree.

[Rory]

And I think that's okay to say as a fan of Bruno Mars, that I think you can do better than that.

[Mal]

Yeah. I mean, listen, we. Obviously, this is the best of the best on this night in music. So all of these artists are incredible and deserve to be there. But, you know, Bruno just. That performance just wasn't one of the best times that we've seen Bruno. It happens.

[Rory]

Yeah. Do we want to go through some. Some of the categories? I know we just did the R B stuff. We can.

[Damaris]

I mean, do you want to talk about the tribute before we get into the.

[Rory]

I want to end with the tribute. Okay. That. That shit is.

[Mal]

And.

[Rory]

And sorry to everyone.

[Mal]

Got it right.

[Rory]

This is a music podcast. We care a lot about music. We're going to be talking about the Grammys for a little bit here.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah. I will say with rap album, even though Jid did not win, I. I really enjoy just seeing Jid's face, like on that, that stage when they, they said the nominees, like, it's just. Just knowing Jid and how long he's been working, like that shit was just cool to see. I'm sure he would like to win as well, but that's one of those, like, as a, as a fan, like, you feel like you. You won too. Like, damn.

[Mal]

Like, I feel.

[Rory]

Been watching this kid for. Well, let me say, man, I'm sorry. I had a kid. People get offended in New York. We say kid. We don't mean it in a bad way. I've been watching Jid for a very, very long time. It's great just to see his face on that stage. Whether it does not validate you, it doesn't change anything really, when it comes to who you are as an artist. But it was great to just see Jid up there.

[Mal]

No, Jid is one of those guys that, you know, we watched the ascension of his career. We always knew that his talent would have him where he is now. And we always talk about it too. Like, being nominated sometime is the win.

[Rory]

Hell yeah.

[Mal]

You know, getting the trophy is just like, you know, a dream. But like just being nominated, being in the room, you know, and being next to these other incredible artists and nominated together in these categories. For anybody that has ever taking time to sit down and write music and record music and things like that, like, that's what it's about. Just the fact that I was recognized, my work was recognized. So it was like you said, it was good to see somebody like Jid be recognized and just be nominated on the biggest night in music.

[Rory]

Yeah. And Congrats to Kendrick, GNX1, best rap album. You know, I get it. It. I totally get it. My personal. I would have loved to see one of my favorite rap groups of all time get their flowers. But again, Grammys are great. They also don't find anything.

[Damaris]

I understand why they made the decision they made. I just, I'm not, I'm not sitting.

[Rory]

Here saying GNX should not get a Grammy, what whatsoever. Copia, I think deserves Rap album.

[Damaris]

We're talking about right now.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

This whole category, the Grammys actually for the most part, as of recent has. Has gotten, I think the best rap album category kind of right on par for a while. So any one of these albums could have won and I would have been fine.

[Mal]

What was the. What was the nominees for best Rap Album?

[Damaris]

Best Rap Album.

[Rory]

Clips.

[Damaris]

DNX clips. Chromacopia. God does like Ugly and Glorious by Glorilla.

[Mal]

I mean, I Would Clips. Maybe. Listen, I don't know. I've been.

[Rory]

I've been a fan of clips since I was 13 years old.

[Mal]

I would love to see stove get one. Get a Grammy.

[Rory]

What album? Reasonable drought from no. 2020.

[Damaris]

He's on the album.

[Mal]

No, I'm saying I would have loved to see. No, I'm just saying Stove would have got a Grammy if the Clips win.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Mal]

You know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

Okay. But to that point, to that point, not giving pushback. I was happy with GNX winning because of all the young talent in LA that he adds as features them getting their Grammys.

[Mal]

I. I did shout out to Lefty Gunplay.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Shout out to.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Lefty Gunplay got one directly. Cuz they also won best rap song for TV Off.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

So as chike. I'm sorry I keep saying Az. Ch. I'm from New York. I see az. I'm thinking az, man.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Same Best rap song was. It was up TV off versus sticky the birds don't sing. Anxiety. TGIF.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Damaris]

I ain't gonna lie. I don't know TGIF.

[Rory]

Here's my thing.

[Damaris]

Runner up.

[Rory]

Incredible.

[Damaris]

It's 7pm Friday. It's 95 degrees. I ain't got no and no ain't got me.

[Mal]

What was that nominated Best rap song.

[Damaris]

They gonna make fun of me.

[Rory]

But that was the performance on Best Rap Performance. Glorilla. I don't know. Glorilla got off on that.

[Damaris]

Like, I don't. You know, but.

[Rory]

And again, TV off is. Is incredible. I'm saying all this so you guys don't think this is not hate having two brothers that are legends in one of the greatest rap groups in rap history, do two verses about their parents dying with a John Legend hook that we finally love in this era.

[Damaris]

Song was made for the Grammys.

[Rory]

If you don't listen to that song and don't cry like the birds don't sing.

[Mal]

Y' all know I was waiting for John to come out that the birds don't sing. They screech and pray.

[Rory]

Man.

[Mal]

Was backstage ready for that.

[Damaris]

Somebody on Tik Tok said John Legend sing like he driving off.

[Mal]

Y' all are up, man. Y. Y. Y' all are so up, man.

[Damaris]

You be the one talk about John Legend. We love John Legend.

[Mal]

I do too. I'm just saying he reminds me of the WB Frog, that's all. I'm just, you know, the WB Frog is legendary.

[Rory]

Also. Also, Sticky could be up there too. Glorilla had two chances of winning in this, like, sticky. I think, again, I think they got rap right because anxiety birds don't sing sticky. Tgif, you know, the restaurant and TV off. Any of those could have won and I would have agreed. Like it. I get it.

[Mal]

Why was Pusha and Pharrell dressed like the Migos, though? The clips in Pharrell? Why would they dress like the Migos?

[Rory]

What do you mean?

[Mal]

They had on pink suits. Strawberry. Strawberry wafer velvet suits.

[Rory]

That. Oh, you're saying, like, just type.

[Mal]

You had on the same exact suit, all three of them.

[Rory]

I. I mean, the. The double breasted one Push had on, I thought was fire. I was looking up suit supply to see if I could get one close to it. Yeah, I just. White people don't look good in that. That I just didn't understand too much.

[Mal]

I just didn't know why they was dressed the same. It was just a little awkward for them to be wearing the same.

[Rory]

But that.

[Damaris]

What if I put them together?

[Mal]

That means they got to wear the same kiss.

[Rory]

All wore the same makeup.

[Mal]

Well, that's, you know, that's different.

[Rory]

I guarantee that your mother put you and your. Your sister in the same clothes. Y' all were twins. You guys wore the same outfits every day. Probably.

[Mal]

I'm just trying to figure out why Pharrell has on the same outfit.

[Rory]

Because he produced the whole product. They coming as a. A click. Okay.

[Damaris]

Yo, Malice is just so effortlessly cool.

[Rory]

I thought she was about to take that somewhere else, but I hear you.

[Damaris]

Like, he's just so effortless, like, effortlessly. Like, just cool as fuck. Like, you could tell he just don't give a fuck about nothing.

[Mal]

You vibe that?

[Damaris]

Yeah, I love that.

[Rory]

That's that Tracy towers in them.

[Mal]

It's that gun hill right there. Nothing about that.

[Damaris]

Go to Virginia, boys. Go to Virginia, boys.

[Rory]

I will say, though, we should give. As arrogant New Yorkers, we should give credit between Pharrell and Eclipse. They are some of the coolest, best dressed people Virginia. Got it. There's a lot of cities that y' all dress really fucking bad. Virginia Beach, Norfolk. Y' all are stylish.

[Mal]

That's that New York, though, yo, New.

[Damaris]

Yorker is so fucking biased.

[Mal]

Cause you know, even when niggas leave New York and go to Virginia, they still come back to New York to shop, though.

[Rory]

You know, drug dealers from New York go down to Virginia, come back up.

[Mal]

They go down to Virginia to get some money. They come back to New York shop. But they gotta come in New York City to shop, though, for sure.

[Rory]

But no, I like their Performance. I thought they were going to do Birds. Don't think. I really thought they were going to open the Grammys with birds. Don't sing with John Legend.

[Mal]

I thought they was going to do stir fry.

[Damaris]

Shut the up.

[Mal]

Rest in peace. Take off, man.

[Rory]

When was the last time you listened to stir Fry?

[Mal]

Probably like a couple weeks ago. That is hard.

[Rory]

No, that song is incredible.

[Mal]

Yeah. Hell yeah.

[Rory]

Yo, go listen to Culture one and two. I understand why Migos is. Is top five greatest rapper.

[Mal]

No, they. They Run was crazy. They Run was crazy. Absolutely.

[Damaris]

They go crazy.

[Rory]

I just had some. Some other notes. I. With the Ozzy tribute Sza. You looked incredible. I'm not gonna say what I said in the chat.

[Damaris]

No, I'll say it.

[Rory]

Or what's. What's on our list right now.

[Mal]

Oh, that says scissors cans.

[Rory]

Since I had the girls out, man.

[Mal]

Oh, oh, okay, okay. Scissors cans. Got it.

[Damaris]

Jesus Christ.

[Rory]

Respectfully, respect. I'm saying this very respectfully. SZA looked incredible.

[Mal]

Sza always looks good, though.

[Rory]

And congrats to. To her and Kendrick on Luther. It was super funny that bruh, that Cher came up and I'm sorry, congrats to Luther Vandross as well.

[Damaris]

That's the greatest. That might be one of the greatest fucking. Like, when I was watching it and Cher was talking, at first I thought she was like, being sarcastic in like, a cute, cheeky way. And I was like, nah, Cher dead ass right now. She don't know what the fuck is going on, nor do she care what the fuck is going on.

[Mal]

Luther was still there.

[Damaris]

She forgot that she was supposed to be up there presenting an award. She walked off stage, they was like, oh, Cher, can you come back? And she was like, oh, congrats to Luther Van Draw. She got so excited, like, she was gonna like Luther. Cause she probably know Luther. She thought Luther was gonna come up and hug her. I was like, oh, my God, if.

[Mal]

She know Luther and she ain't know Luther has left us a few. A few years ago, we might need to check.

[Rory]

And that Luther may have song of the year. Like, you didn't hear the Luther record that came out. I think.

[Damaris]

I think Cher might be like. Even when Cher said, oh, thank God, about time they gave me this award because, like, I got good genes. Like, but I probably wouldn't have been here that much longer. AKA Like, I know I look good, but I'm old as. Like, it's about time y' all gave me my lifetime achievement award. I think Cher might be a little on the scene outside. And that's fine. She. She's old enough to be there, but I think that's what she was there.

[Rory]

When she was younger.

[Damaris]

I think that's why she got. You know what I'm saying? Like, she thought Luther was still alive and whatever that was.

[Mal]

Like, when Bide. They asked Biden what day of the week it was, he said, vanilla.

[Rory]

That I don't mind. Just don't put. Don't put Joe Biden on a bike. What? Like, who in the campaign was like, let's put him on a bike. But also, yo, that. Never mind. We'll stay far, far away from that entire thing. What was worse? The Steve Harvey moonlight situation or. Or the share thing.

[Damaris]

Worse. Moonlight wasn't. Was embarrassing.

[Rory]

Yo, they had. The whole crew went up there for La La Land.

[Damaris]

That. That was embarrassing.

[Mal]

The what?

[Damaris]

Moonlight versus La La Land. Faux Pa.

[Rory]

Jay Z made a hook out of it on 444 Moonlight 1.

[Mal]

And.

[Damaris]

But they called up La La Land.

[Mal]

Yeah, I remember that. They had the whole fucking cast. Yeah, that was bad. Was bad.

[Rory]

And by the way, the. The whole crew of La La Land was very gracious about. Yeah, because that would piss me off.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

In general, they were very.

[Damaris]

They were very over the podium.

[Mal]

Yeah, that was. That was bad, though. That. That. That fumble was crazy.

[Rory]

And if they. They. They showed what Steve was reading, because everyone killed Steve Harvey. But if you looked at what he was reading it, it was an honest mistake. Like, they up how they gave him the card. It looked, I think a lot of maybe Google. I think La La Land was like above moonlight in the nominations. So it looked like it was bolded it. It really wasn't Steve's fault. If it was Steve. If I remember correctly, it was Warren.

[Mal]

Yeah, that was Warren. Bed Warren Betty.

[Rory]

Oh, okay. So Steve. Steve up with something else.

[Mal]

The Miss Universe.

[Rory]

That's what it was.

[Mal]

Miss Universe, Dyslexia. I get it. I understand. I'm gonna help you out. That's what I'm here for, man. I got you.

[Damaris]

Yeah. I don't know how they did that, but up. Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

How you that? Up? Yeah.

[Mal]

I don't know how they did that. It clearly says they got up there.

[Damaris]

And was like, it's moonlight, babe. Yeah, but that was. That was very funny. Like, that was that Cher gave me a laugh. I was like, oh, my God. Luther being draws.

[Mal]

You thought Luther was back. A room is not a room. Luther would have came out. We over the past, they told us she was gone.

[Rory]

Yo, anything is possible now at this point.

[Mal]

Oh, my God.

[Damaris]

And I think that Kendrick and them handled that very well, because I would have been on the floor, I would have been able to do my speech. I would have been screaming, crying like, yo. And then she looked up at them when they came up. She like, where Luther? Like, oh, she ain't over the.

[Mal]

Rory's. Rory's mom said some funny shit when Kendrick won.

[Rory]

Don't even put that on my mom.

[Mal]

Why? I thought it was funny.

[Rory]

We'll save it for Patreon.

[Damaris]

What do you think?

[Mal]

Yo, how we gotta save him? We on Netflix, man. We can say it.

[Damaris]

I'm not doing this for sure.

[Mal]

What?

[Rory]

Let's get to the greatest part of the Grammys so we can wrap this up. Yes. The d' Angelo and Roberta Flack tribute, presented by Lauryn Hill. Where the do we even begin? Lauryn Hill, vanguard, Chaka Khan, John Legend, Raphael Sadiq, Lala Hathaway, Wyclep. John Anthony Hamilton, Marcus Miller, John Baptiste, Leon Bridges, October, London. Lucky Day. Bilal. Leon Thomas.

[Mal]

Yeah, I pay for that. And this.

[Rory]

Can this go on the road?

[Mal]

Yeah, I pay for that.

[Rory]

Can we just do a D' Angelo tribute for all of 2026 in every major city? Yeah, I'll go see that exact same set list live. I'll pay top dollar.

[Damaris]

What was your favorite part?

[Mal]

Damn, you can't pick your favorite part out of the.

[Damaris]

Bilal was my favorite part. I was like, oh, my God, Bilal.

[Rory]

Outside of the obvious, Lucky Day doing Brown Sugar, I thought was an incredible pick. He went nuts on that. And you could tell, like, Lucky knew what stage he was on and who he was with and what. What did the kids say? Understood the assignment. Lucky went nuts on Brown Sugar, which. That's intimidating.

[Damaris]

Very.

[Rory]

Can you imagine?

[Mal]

Just.

[Rory]

Lucky Day is a star in his own right. But imagine Lauryn Hill asking you to do Brown Sugar for d' Angelo tribute at the Grammys, bro. Like, I'd be so scared. Like, I don't even know if I want to touch.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I would have said that.

[Mal]

Yeah. But it was somebody sitting right there in that audience that should have been on that stage, though.

[Rory]

Who was that?

[Mal]

Duran. Mm.

[Rory]

You're not wrong. You're not wrong.

[Mal]

He definitely should have been on that set somewhere.

[Rory]

You're not wrong.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I mean, even the Africa record, he could have went. But John Baptiste did his thing.

[Mal]

No, no, no, no. For sure. I'm just saying they could have found another song to get Duran up there to. You know what I mean? Like, that's. Come on, man. I thought any type of voice you got sitting right there for d' Angelo tribute. Like, I'm just saying somebody should have called Durant.

[Rory]

I think Leon for Devil's Pie was a perfect pick. Like, with Tone and shout out to DJ Premier who produced that.

[Damaris]

I.

[Rory]

Not that Devil's Pie isn't like a famous d' Angelo record. I was kind of surprised, though, that they picked Devil's Pie in the mix of that metal.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Of all the. Like, I thought that was fire and I liked what Vanguard did with that beat. And I mean, where do we begin? Chaka Khan came out and performed where's the love?

[Mal]

Crazy.

[Rory]

This was the look. Where do we rank this in tributes?

[Mal]

This is. This is up there.

[Rory]

They got Am I Living in the moment Dare. Do I say this is a top five?

[Mal]

No, that's definitely a value I would.

[Damaris]

Have for Grammys or Total because BET used to do them very well.

[Rory]

Yeah, for sure.

[Damaris]

BET used to smoke that every year. That was my favorite part.

[Mal]

Bet I ain't gonna lie. One year, I think they rolled. Was it the Prince Hubert they wrote Trey songs out for. That set us back about. That set us back about, you know, I mean, shout outs to Trey, but that a Prince tribute. I don't think we need to trade songs for the Prince tribute.

[Rory]

We'll get to the Mariah thing after this. But we can close out the. The d'. Angelo. Yo, why Lauryn Hill brought up her ex just to play bass?

[Mal]

Sometimes you need to. I mean, how your ex just do. Pick up cleanups.

[Damaris]

Do something, you know, I love that I screamed.

[Rory]

I was like, ah.

[Damaris]

Oh, my God. I like this. Toxic. Yeah.

[Rory]

But with Roberta Flack passing last. Last February, I. I did think that was great that Wyclef and. And Lauren did. Did a tribute for Killing Me Softly. Yeah, obviously they sampled that and that's. That. That's her record. So. Yeah, sometimes you gotta. You have to squash the past.

[Damaris]

Yeah, they did. They had a little kiss on the cheek. The end the Grammys off.

[Rory]

Here's my thing. Can we Google is Prize didn't go in yet, right?

[Damaris]

Prize didn't go in yet.

[Rory]

I know he got sentenced, but like, Prize couldn't have a night out? Maybe get some commissary money? Like.

[Mal]

Nah, they're not jacking Prize right now. Not on this night. Not on the Grammy stage. Not trying to not.

[Damaris]

He's in jail. Yeah, he's in jail. Once they sentence you, you going to jail.

[Rory]

No. Sometimes. I mean, I didn't know if there.

[Mal]

Was some let him out to get his affairs in order.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Nah, go get in that back. Sell back there. That back cell, the last one.

[Rory]

All right. Improv's defense, bro. Selling photos, photo ops with Obama compared to what politicians and lawmakers do, man. Free prize.

[Mal]

Politician compared to what Wyclef did with that Haiti money. That Haiti earthquake money we ain't forget. See, that be the problem when you remember everything. Niggas hate you. Cause you be like, yo, fam, we saw you. Like, we know what you did for the Haiti earth. Where's that money at? Where's that bread at? Let's talk about that. Listen, man, and this is all jokes. I'm just, you know, fucking around.

[Rory]

I'm not joking. Where's that money at?

[Mal]

I mean, you know, we not in their account. So.

[Damaris]

That was a nice little jacket he had on at the Grammys. Part of it.

[Mal]

See, I started asking how much that cost.

[Damaris]

Yo, somebody owe you money, bro. You look at everything on him. I be looking at a nigga socks.

[Mal]

Like, yo, somebody owe the whole country money. Yeah, you gotta do that. Okay.

[Rory]

Damn. I texted that number right away. Two weeks later, Wyclef is butt ass on a motorcycle, greased up. I'm like, all right, man, we still praying.

[Mal]

I thought, yeah, like, what happened just now?

[Damaris]

We still.

[Rory]

You want to speed up my apologies. But anyways, I thought the Grammys did. Did a Great job in 2026. Congrats to everybody that won. Congrats to everybody that was nominated. That is incredible. Even though it does not not define you as an artist, I'd be a liar if I said I wouldn't be geeked off getting a Grammy or even being nominated or being in that room. So congrats to everyone that made music this year that is being acknowledged. Congrats to Kendrick Lamar for being the. How do you word it? The. The most not award winning rapper of all time for the Grammys. Congrats. Congrats to. To Kendrick for that surpass Jay Z most Grammys in rap history. And that's because of Boost. If it wasn't for Boost, Kendrick Lamar would not have the most Grammys. Everything is powered in the world by Boost. Damaris, did you watch the Mariah tribute? What you laughing at, man? I'm talking about Mariah right now. What you laughing at?

[Mal]

I'm not laughing. What's wrong with you? I was having a moment.

[Rory]

I caught having a moment and then telling me what's wrong with me.

[Damaris]

I could answer your question, Rory, about the Mariah Carey tribute that musicares through. I saw some of it and the. Some of it that I saw was too much.

[Rory]

Foo Fighters, Jennifer Hudson, John legend, Billy Porter, Ke$kesha. She understood the assignment. I just like that Mariah, which. Who you think I hate, was able to get her flowers in the way Prince also got his. Where he's disgusted by everybody that's up there.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Was nobody available? I think. Cause it was Grammy weekend. Ariana Grande, Tori Kelly, Jennifer Hudson.

[Mal]

Not being available at Grammy weekend is hilarious. Where you at as a recording artist?

[Damaris]

But that's what I'm saying. They had other shit.

[Rory]

Teddy was cool.

[Damaris]

What other?

[Rory]

Because.

[Damaris]

Well, what I'm saying is because every. When there's so much going on during Grammy weekend. There's so much going on during Grammy weekend. So it's like they might not be.

[Rory]

A bit of a Mariah Carey tribute.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You clear your. You.

[Mal]

You move around. If somebody hit you like, yo, we're giving a tribute to Mariah Carey. We want you there.

[Rory]

What Avion Tequila event do you need to go to?

[Damaris]

But there's also. So there's also the part of it where I. Even if I'm an astronomical singer, I might turn down the Mariah Carey tribute. Because that's a lot of pressure.

[Mal]

No, you're not.

[Damaris]

That's a lot of pressure.

[Mal]

You can sing and they call you to tribute Mariah Carey. It ain't no pressure. You've been waiting for this fucking moment. Mariah about to be there.

[Damaris]

Some people aren't built for that type of pressure. Especially if people have told you you sound like Mariah Carey.

[Mal]

Yeah, but that's fire. Not only do they say I sound like Mariah, y' all want me to tribute Mariah as well. This is what I do. Like, yeah. Hell yeah. Cause if you sound like Mariah, you've heard that before. And you've obviously probably almost certainly looked up to Mariah. So now that you have the opportunity to pay tribute to Mariah, you're pulling up.

[Damaris]

But also a lot of people have. So this isn't Mariah's first tribute, right?

[Rory]

Of course not. Nah.

[Damaris]

So some people have. Like, Ariana Grande has already sung for Mariah Carey. And, you know, and that's the first person you would think. Think about. So she's done that already. You see what I'm saying? So this is like the third or fourth one. Like, they running out of people. I do want to give props to Taylor Momsen. If you don't know who Taylor Momsen is, most of y' all know her as the little girl from the Grinch where Are you Christmas? So she did a tribute to Mariah for Mariah's unreleased, like, grunge funk. Not grunge funk, but like grunge pop rock album. She performed someone ugly. Well, someone's ugly's daughter. Some. Someone ugly's daughter or something like that is the name of the song. But she performed. But funny enough, just to give Mariah her writing credit, she wrote where are you Christmas? By the way. She could perform it. Yeah. Because Tommy Mottola and all that that was going on with her ex at the time. So Faith Hill ended up being the one who officially, like, performed it when it was like, a bigger song. But, yeah, Mariah wrote Where are you Christmas? But I should let you know.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Two. Two legendary Christmas songs under her motherfucking bed.

[Rory]

We have said numerous times that Mariah Carey owns Christmas. Not Mariah Carey, not Santa, not Jesus. She's not Fox News. Mariah Carey owns Christmas.

[Damaris]

Yeah. So bringing it back out. But she deserves better than what she got. And I'm happy she was screwing her face up at all those people.

[Rory]

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[Rory]

So we can close out music. Did any of you guys watch hit boy vs. Mike will made it vs. Yes, I did, too.

[Damaris]

Long night for your boy, Hit Boy.

[Rory]

Here's my thing.

[Mal]

Yeah, what's your thing, Rory?

[Rory]

It's.

[Mal]

I love when you have a thing.

[Rory]

We can get into the track lists and this and that. Both these guys make best music ever. I just don't want to see y' all rap those songs. The performance aspect of it. I could even see in Hit Boy's face that he almost felt like, why? Like, I don't even want to. Why am I rapping a Drake record right now? Why is Mike Will rapping a Kendrick? Like, I just Versus is great. And most of the. The producer verses we had was when it was, you know, on IG Live and they were just playing records and it's turned into a performance thing for artists even with the cash money. No limit. Like, they brought out people to rap. The I just don't know if producers are the people to be performing these records in A versus no. Well, and then it's awkward, too, because if it's just a DJ and it's just y' all going back and forth and just sitting there like this. I get it. It's just an awkward setup that way.

[Mal]

Well, it was very awkward for me. Only because Hit Boy can actually rap.

[Rory]

Hit Boy's an Incredible rapper.

[Mal]

And so, you know, it was. It was kind of weird to see him kind of like stumble a little bit. I don't know if the sound in there was. Was all the way right when the playback monitors. He seemed to be ahead of the music sometimes.

[Rory]

That could have been the stream. Maybe it sounded fine there. Fuck knows.

[Mal]

But, yeah, I don't know. I think they should have treated this more like a party. I think it's obviously Grammy weekend. I think they should have treated it.

[Rory]

More like a party, like, boiler room type.

[Mal]

Yeah. Let Mike DJ play a couple of his records. Let Hit DJ play a couple of his records. I think that should have been more of the vibe with this Versus. I think letting these two guys perform, it just kind of felt, I don't know, like, hey, yeah, I did this too. And it's kind of like we stunting on each other instead of, let's just play our hits for a room full of people and everybody have a good time. Yeah.

[Rory]

The structure of Versus, I think, outgrew its own structure. Like, after Locke's dipset, it's tough to go back to just having two producers sit there, play music and rap the songs. It's just gotten odd. Like, I love when Big Sean came out. Like, I think that stuff's great if you can't commit to having at least a good majority if not half of those songs be somewhat performed. But it's tough. You talk about Mike Will and Hit Boy who make records for Beyonce, Kendrick Lamar, Drake. Like, yeah, that's tough. But it's.

[Mal]

I don't know.

[Rory]

They have to find a different way where the producer doesn't need to carry the mic version of.

[Mal]

Of everything. Yeah, no, just let the records play.

[Rory]

Like, let people actually. A great host.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, I don't know if Swizz could be. Like, somehow they need to fix that because I still want to see Versus Like, I love verses.

[Mal]

Just play the songs. Don't let them. Don't. Don't the record. Play the music. Let people that's there have a good time. Like, keep it. Get his verses and got to feel like a battle. I get that whole part of it, but not when we're talking about, you know, the producers. Now, if the artists themselves are in the verses, then, you know, let them do their records. But producers trying to perform records that they did for artists is just a little weird to me.

[Rory]

And with Mike Will and Hitboy, two producers that actually play, like, NPC keys, everything I was expecting, and maybe I overly expected that that was going to Be an element in the entire thing. I thought, like, to me, that would be crazy if you get Goldie with Hitboy and he's playing at least just the drums on everything. You could add in a little remix. Like a different way of going about it would add that element. Instead of two people that are quiet producers, man, Michael and Hitboy are just two cool people that kick back and are icons in their field, but they're not. Like, they don't host things.

[Mal]

But Hit kind of did that was the trophies a bit. Yeah. When he played the sample in the beginning. Yeah.

[Rory]

But I would have seen. I can see that with producers that don't actually play. Like, how do you even do that? But Hit Man, I know again, that's a big ask, but to me, that's how important versus is set up the keys and your npc. Not every record or sit there and do. Do the record.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

That adds a whole different effect of like. Like, okay, Paris may hit different. When I see somebody like, oh, oh, all right.

[Mal]

And then once you catch, now I see the real genius sample.

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[Mal]

Like, it's like people wants to hear it. Like, oh, okay.

[Rory]

Like, even the way al kind of DJs.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

With what he does, he obviously doesn't have one NPC there, but he has everything loaded 100 into that. And you see him put everything together when he DJs, and it's like, yo, Al's a genius. Because even when we were in London, there was obviously like, we gonna make it. You can catch those samples. But. But even when he did meet the Grams in. In London, I was like, that was the. How you even find that?

[Mal]

Yeah, it was crazy.

[Rory]

That is more entertaining when it comes to real producers like Mike Will and. And Hit Boy.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But, you know, but they.

[Mal]

I mean, they got hits. Boy, they got. Between those two, they got some hits.

[Rory]

No, we gave Hit Boy his flowers all the time on this podcast. And I'm not doing another Justin Bieber rant, but Mike Will name. We should bring it up quicker.

[Mal]

Yeah, I agree. That's the one thing.

[Rory]

We should bring it up quicker.

[Mal]

It was a couple records that I was like, oh, I didn't know what was it? Was it DNA?

[Rory]

DNA?

[Mal]

I didn't even.

[Rory]

I didn't even know Michael did that.

[Mal]

Yeah. So when he played that, I was just like. I didn't even know he did that.

[Rory]

He was insane.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But, yeah, I want them to keep verses moving. I hope it's not something that Apple just takes to fall on the wayside. Like maybe give Mike Will and Hit Boy more money. And they'll sit there and put together. I'll play live then, right? Give more money. Are we going to touch. Touch the topic that the Internet said we'd never touched? I. I hope you guys in here.

[Mal]

I don't know if touch is the right word you want to use. Right.

[Rory]

I hope you two in here specifically are not just going to ignore this topic and hold everyone accountable that Jay Z has been fucking women with Harvey Weinstein in Lord's year 1996 and Pusha T was a handler for Jeffrey Epstein. I hope you guys are not going to be the podcasters that are on the payroll for Roc Nation. You sit here and take accountability for your legends based off this FBI hotline tip that somebody called in that's homeless and suggested. Yeah, so let's unhoused. Unhoused.

[Damaris]

Let's. Okay, let's clear this up in a serious way because these are serious allegations. Right? There was a tip that was given to the FBI by which means on a tip line. On a tip line. Right. I could have called in. Anybody could have called in and said that Jay Z included, Pusha T were on Epstein island doing whatever these. This is suggestion.

[Rory]

No, no, it wasn't on Epstein Island a woman or a man because we didn't get the gender suggested that they were kidnapped multiple times. And one of the times they were kidnapped, I believe seven times they were kidnapped. One of those times they Woke up in 1996 and they saw Jay Z and Harvey Weinstein together in the room after their kidnapping. And then Harvey Weinstein went on to sexually assault them while Jay Z was watching.

[Mal]

Watching.

[Damaris]

She's. Yeah.

[Rory]

Now I'm with Damaris. I'm making jokes here. I. I am very pro. Leak all the files. I leak everything of every tip that ever came through. I think anonymous phone lines are important. They eventually do get to the real thing, but they sift through a lot of on hotlines and they take the ones that are serious and actually investigate them.

[Mal]

This.

[Rory]

This lands in the pile of that.

[Damaris]

Never got investigated because it's not real.

[Mal]

It's just, it's unfortunate because they are real victims.

[Rory]

And that's. That's my nasty.

[Mal]

Like this is happening. But it's just, you know, like it's just. It's beyond ridiculous. At this point though. 1996, Jay Z and Harvey Weinstein.

[Rory]

Stop. Stop. More. Everyone on the Internet was suggesting that reasonable doubt. That was. Was the year his first album came out. He was on his way to stardom. Biggie had Just died. So he was definitely the next one up. And the elites understood that he wasn't. I'm trying to take it serious. I'm sorry. People are suggesting that. That Jay was. The photos of him and Russell Simmons in 1996. Jay Z was maybe. Maybe he was a little bit bigger than we think when he was still.

[Mal]

Selling drugs in 5, Simmons in 96. They didn't. They know that Rockefeller Def Jam was a thing and.

[Rory]

Exact. No, you're proving the point.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, I guess. I don't know, man. It's unfortunate because people asking for these files to be released, myself included. The files are now released. Over 3 million pages or something like that. Videos, all kinds of things. Half of it emptied the files so everybody could do what they want to do and kind of, you know, sift through it and, you know, whatever they, I guess, looking for, maybe they would find. But nobody had this being definitely not.

[Rory]

Pusha T. They said Pusha T was.

[Damaris]

One of the handlers of the girl that was drugged and assaulted. Pusha T was like moving her, like, wait, like. Okay, that's. Yeah, this is. I. I don't want you guys.

[Rory]

People, first of all, we're on record when it comes to this type of it. We don't play about that. I know we're joking right now, but sometimes you need to joke about that is so ridiculous when it comes to serious topics that actually need real focus. Yeah, that's my issue. And. And if anyone has pushback on this, go, go look at our resume. When it comes to these types of topics. When it was taboo to even set say. And what we actually said at the time when y' all was defending Diddy before any video came out, we was the only POD talking about this. We don't play about this type of. To the point that I'm laughing at this ridiculous bullshit based off what came out with those Epstein files. That was true and does need actual real focus. This is ridiculous.

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Rory]

So y' all are making this a Stan War thing. That's my thing with you Stan pages. You were happy to see this.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

And that was my issue. Even with. With the other Jay Z case that was dismissed. That clearly was absolutely insane with the timeline time.

[Mal]

People ran with that too, though.

[Rory]

Y' all got. Y' all got mad. Y' all got mad that somebody wasn't raped.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

That's not weird to y'.

[Mal]

All. Yeah.

[Damaris]

And I don't even wanna. I don't even wanna make this just a stand page thing because this has reached so far. Like, like, I like when it hits Facebook and shit like that and the old people start getting in touch with it who don't have the media literacy shit. The young people apparently don't have media literacy either to actually go and research things and not just look at the big shiny headlines that the BL post. It's like they don't even know what they're taking from this. So everything that was released in the Epstein files, like, like they said under the Transparency act, every single tip that was received was also released, whether it was bullshit or not. This so saying, oh, the Epstein files. That doesn't mean that every single thing that's in there is fact. So at this point, you have to kind of have to take your common sense and be like, why the would Jay Z be hanging out with Harvey Weinstein? Why would Harvey Weinstein Trust 1996 Jay Z Enough to do dirt in front of him? I just, like, there's no common sense anywhere. There's no context clues. It's the same thing that I was fucking fighting about when we were talking about the J. Cole Simba bar. And people were like, J. Cole used to call himself Young Simba. And we're over here like, bro, we know that. Look at the text above and the text below. There's no. Nobody pays attention to context clues. We are in a fucking literacy crisis.

[Rory]

And the song on the clip playing in the background is Young Simba by J. Cole. It drives. It drives me crazy.

[Damaris]

Crazy.

[Rory]

What's unfortunate, again with this type of stuff, is that common sense is they're not ignoring their common sense. It just fits better with their narrative of what they are doing in their stan wars is. Is having push or having Jay Z a part of this whole thing? And what's unfortunate, the FBI hotline should always be open, but you're gonna get 99.9% of fucking insane tips.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Now we said release all the Epstein files. That's what we want. We still want more. That's part of it. Sift through the shit the way the FBI did and find the real ones. And I'm not pro FBI or pro doj, just like, this is kind of fucking ridiculous. Like.

[Mal]

But it's unfortunate because, one, again, they are real victims. That's two, when you have a name as polarizing as a Jay Z attached to it, that's the only thing that people kind of see and hear and read instead of, like, you know, more real things and things that have more credence. It's unfortunate. And then it's unfortunate because Again, like, you know, to Damaris Point. Some people are gonna run with this and really feel like, you know, these are gonna be conversations in different communities like, oh no, Jay Z is in the, the Epstein's files. And this, it's like. But they don't know that this is not a real thing.

[Rory]

Like, and I don't even want to make that Jay Z thing. When we were talking about the Puff trial, you can go back to whatever episode that was. We had talked about how unfortunate it was the amount of names knowing that Puff is guilty for what he's done. There's going to be a bunch of names that just happen to be around Puff that are going to be in those files that did not do a fucking thing. And now their name is going to be tarnished. And that's so unfortunate that some people just being in proximity without any knowledge of what was going on are now in files that are tainted like this. And idiots on the Internet are now going to put that type of smut on your name. And this is not a Jay Z defense in that regard. But other people in the Epstein files that honestly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was at a party with Epstein. I didn't even, I don't know he was on that side. I don't know him. I didn't even say hi him to, to him.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And y' all like, yeah, he was in the same room as me. I don't know. And now your name is on that forever, which is up. But I think it's also the price to pay to eventually try to get justice though, because anybody that is around that person should be looked into. I'm not saying throw someone on their name for the rest of your life, but yeah, if he was around somebody that did foul, we should vet what happened.

[Mal]

Yeah, for sure.

[Rory]

We've all been around foul people without knowledge of things they were doing in their personal life. Even though it's up if you put something on our neck, bet me then, right? I'm fine with that. I'm. I wouldn't be offended. You should vet me being around that person to get down to exactly what I knew and what I was around for. I'm never mad at somebody saying that now. I, I maybe just have a bit more knowledge of 1996 and Jay Z and where the he was at in his life. If Jay Z and Harvey Weinstein were involved in a kidnapping, drugging and sexually. If Jay Z and Harvey Weinstein seen sexually assaulted somebody in the room together, throw Jay Z in jail for sure.

[Damaris]

And this is Another just when I.

[Rory]

Say that sentence out loud, it sounds hilarious.

[Damaris]

The FBI been had these files. Why the do you think that they got released to y'? All? And y' all like, like, yo, so this person is guilty of this. The FBI had all of this information and ain't charged Jay with a thing. Like, what are y'? All like, I just need you to use your brains. And actually, if you go on chat GPT, which I do for every single thing else.

[Rory]

Y'.

[Mal]

All.

[Damaris]

Y' all don't even know how to DM A without going on chat, chat gbt, because you have no social skills. Go on chat G and look this shit up. And they'll also tell you what the fuck is going on. Y' all use it for everything the fuck else.

[Mal]

But, yeah, but that. It doesn't fit.

[Rory]

But it doesn't fit.

[Mal]

It doesn't fit their narrative, right? Cause people. This is supposed to be the smoking gun. Oh, we got him. Because, you know, it's fucked up, but people feel like you can't attain these, you know, levels of success and accolades and, you know, things that Jay has been able to do without doing some nasty shit or some fucked up shit on the way. You know what I'm saying? So for years, they've been hinting at shit like this. Yeah, he's nasty. He been doing this, he's doing that. So when these come out now, this gives those people just a little bit of, oh, there it is. Look, he's in the file. His name is there. That means it's something going. And it's like, but no, that's not what that means.

[Damaris]

And what kills me is that, like, y' all are going after the wrong thing. Jay Z is when you hit that billionaire or close to billionaire status, in order to be a billionaire, you have to have exploitation something someone like you wealth hoarding. You have to have exploited something. Someone go find something that has to do with a business deal. Y' all keep trying to make him nasty, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you're going after. There's plenty of shit you can get billionaires on. Somebody. Somebody somewhere ain't getting paid what they should be getting paid. As far as there's a sweatshop somewhere, who knows, right? I'm not putting it on Jay Z. I'm just talking about billionaires, period. There's plenty of shit you can get them for. Stop trying to make them all rapists. It's like, it's juvenile. It's surface level. If you really want to dig deep Go find something else.

[Rory]

And. And in those Epstein files of stuff that, of course, needs to be investigated, there's some. Some really nasty in there with. With elites and kids and testimony that I think needs to be focused on as well. And as somebody that is also a conspiracy theorist in a lot of stuff. I'm not sitting here hoping and trying to create thoughts in my head of everyone. Children.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Or sexually assaults someone. And I. We've just gotten. That's why I love Chappelle's closer off the last special. That last 40 minutes of him just trying to plead with the world that, yes, some things are what they seem, some things aren't. Listen, when Nipsey passed, he agreed with everything Dr. Sebi. That could be a thing. Then Dave Chappelle brought his man to Dr. Sebi, and his man's died. Like, some things are not always a conspiracy. Some things are just what we're looking at in plain sight. Some. Sometimes gang violence actually kills people, and there's no conspiracy.

[Damaris]

You hear who's thinking? And horses, not zebras.

[Rory]

And it's just. I don't know. It. It's draining. And I fall into it a lot with YouTube and rabbit hole stuff, but, like, I'm not speaking to the. When you see one tweet and try to categorize it as. This is what everyone's saying. I've seen videos with millions of views that talk about puff and hove having tunnels between their house and, like, the maps.

[Damaris]

And I'm just like, people are so easily.

[Mal]

Dude.

[Rory]

Like, I hear y' all because I'm in the conspiracy world. Worlds. I have a tinfoil hat on with so much stuff, but, like, tin foil do rag. We are dragging this so far with so much stuff. And I'm not even saying specifically to the people that I may champion for, but, dude, can we just. No, I don't think that Jay Z and Harvey Weinstein sexually assaulted somebody together in a room in 1996. I just don't. I don't think Pusha T was a handler for something. Do I think there was probably handlers around down 100. Do I think Pusha T may have been at a party that this person maybe was at?

[Mal]

Okay, you know what's crazy about all the. We just sat here and said they gonna try to paint it. Like, we making excuses.

[Rory]

100. Oh, no, no. For sure. I already knew how.

[Mal]

Like, none of this.

[Rory]

I know how this is gonna be.

[Mal]

Like, none of this is gonna be like. Okay, I could kind of understand that thought process.

[Damaris]

And once you start Going down that rabbit hole, it's just like, why am I explaining myself to very stupid people?

[Rory]

And. And people that also are misrepresenting Jay Z's history because they just. They found out what reasonable doubt was the day this came out.

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

They don't know that he sold like, what, 30,000 copies in a time when people were doing quadruple platinum. Even Jay Z jokes in interviews when he would walk around with Biggie. I think it was on Juan Epstein or something. He's like, dude, I was going to the supermarket. I sold like 15,000 records. No one knew who the fuck I was. Yeah, like, I think Rosenberg asked, like, yo, was it crazy when you move with Big? Like, did you had to move a certain way? He was like, dude, I sold 15,000. No one knew who the I was. Yeah, I literally just would go to the supermarket.

[Mal]

Like, Harvey. Harvey knew him.

[Rory]

Did Jay Z and Harvey Weinstein eventually work together? Thousand percent.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Not in 96, I can promise you that.

[Rory]

I also don't believe Harvey Weinstein and Jay Z sexually assaulted someone in a room together in 2007. But that's another conversation. You guys are just now using Wikipedia to put together a narrative of a history you don't even understand. Just be very careful because it works for your narrative.

[Mal]

People gotta be very careful. Yes, there are nasty people out here. There are. There are disgusting people that should be thrown under the jail. Shit. You get me to talking too long. I think those type of people should be killed. That's just me. I'm just different when it comes to that.

[Rory]

Oh, no, I'm on the side. If you. You grape someone, we should throw you onto the, like, shoot you to the.

[Mal]

Lions, dip you in barbecue sauce to the lions, shoot you out back. Yeah, I'm with that. But everybody that is successful, everybody that has, you know, reached heights that, coming from the places we're from don't seem attainable. They all did not do nasty things. And they're not those type of people. It's a lot of very good, very, you know, great moral compass and integrity and honorable people that get to those heights and do it the right way, that don't do no nasty shit. And it's just fucked up. When we feel like we can only make it to those levels because we did some nasty shit. That's just. It's stupid to do that. We shouldn't do it again. The ones that are nasty and do shit like that, let's do away with them. You know, I have nothing. Those are pieces of Shit. But there's some people that are just genuinely good people that are very successful and have done well for themselves, and we should just leave that there and respect people's talent and not be so quick to throw nasty shit on somebody's jacket all in the name of a conspiracy and trying to piece shit together for content or whatever it is. It's just disrespectful. It's distasteful and it's fucked up because there are real victims out there.

[Rory]

Nah, for sure. To get out of that whole nasty weekend. Keep the Epstein files coming, but let's all just keep a. A conscious, straight mind through reading them. But Shakur Stevenson. Congratulations. I mean, I. Did anyone think otherwise?

[Mal]

I. I thought it would be a closer fight.

[Rory]

Yeah, I was bugging.

[Mal]

He's not. You acting like Teofimo is like Shakur my guy, though.

[Rory]

I'm being biased.

[Mal]

I had Shakur winning, but I didn't think it would look the way it did.

[Rory]

Yeah, he got his ass, folk. Yeah, definitely got his.

[Mal]

I didn't think it would look that way, but. Shout out to Shakur Stevenson.

[Rory]

Yeah, congrats. And shout out to our brother Prince Miller, who had an interview with him right before the fight. He also had an interview with Jay Prince, who manages Shakur Stevenson. So check that out on his YouTube page. Interview both of them after the fight was kicking it, which I thought was a cool sit down. But outside of Shakur beaten Lopez's ass, another Miller. There's a lot of Millers.

[Mal]

Jarrell, Jarrell.

[Rory]

Jarell.

[Mal]

I'm gonna say Jarell. Jarell Miller. He's a legend. This is going. We've never seen no shit like this. He literally got the toupee knocked off his head.

[Rory]

Nah, he got his wig blown off.

[Mal]

He got his wig blown off. He got his wig pushed back. I mean, he had to know, like, this was like a possibility. There's no way he went and got this hairpiece put on his head and thought that it was secure enough to withstand a fucking left hook to the face.

[Rory]

I blame the Paul brothers.

[Mal]

Why?

[Rory]

Serious boxing has obviously, I would say, taken a hit. But a lot of us have numbers wise have watched more of the spectacle stuff. We saw Mike Tyson with his ass cheeks out fighting the pole, brother. Like, you gotta do shit now to go viral. And if you're in the undercard, bro.

[Damaris]

He did not do this.

[Rory]

He did that. Oh, my. If y' all think this is an accident, y' all are out of y' all mind.

[Mal]

He thought that. He thought that was Secured up there. He didn't think that a punch was gonna knock that loose. You had to glue that on.

[Rory]

Sweat.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that was glue. He was sweating. And the sweat probably loosened it more than he thought it would.

[Rory]

Oh, he didn't. He was in a sweat in his fight.

[Mal]

But not. Not to the point where it was gonna peel off like that. No. He looked like a Pringle can.

[Rory]

I'm not saying it was staged where he was waiting for a right uppercut to get the whole to payoff, but he knew at some point, even if he was getting busy, that that shit was coming off. Y' all come on. And I'm not mad at the setup.

[Mal]

Like that is crazy.

[Rory]

And undercard to go viral is the thing. You have to play these games. Boxers are the best marketers on earth.

[Mal]

That's part of the gig. I get what you're saying, but that's a.

[Rory]

You think Tyson just happened to have no. No draws on when he walked away from that camera?

[Mal]

That. But that was a weigh in though, right? Oh, that was a lock.

[Rory]

When have we ever seen someone walk away from an interview and it stay framed the exact same way?

[Mal]

Yeah, no, but that's the locker room.

[Rory]

That was planned. And everyone knows now, outside of how you used to just promote boxing with spectacles, now you got to do spectacles in the ring.

[Mal]

Yeah, but that was bad.

[Damaris]

You thinking as a constant creator, you ain't creator back.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And I think boxers are the.

[Mal]

The.

[Rory]

They invented marketing and content creation.

[Mal]

Yeah. But this is. This, this one, whoever content. I'm not saying you wrong, but whoever thought of this one, they need a raise.

[Rory]

We need a raise. We need to call somebody that. That does hair for real and glues that in and they'll let us know if they knew that was coming off. Because no way you glue toupee on as someone that does it as a crappy like, bro, this is going to come off. You know that, right? Yeah.

[Mal]

But you, you Baby D can speak to that. She knows about wigs and toupee. She's a woman.

[Damaris]

Sometimes your lift more. Sometimes you get more sweat and get oilier. Get more oily than you think. And some can lift up. It can happen sometimes.

[Rory]

Every world starts fighting. Every world start fight. The wig comes off.

[Mal]

Yeah, but they not hitting like this for you.

[Rory]

Exactly. They're hitting way less.

[Mal]

No, you talking about a wig on a. On a guy. You've never seen no guy.

[Rory]

Same lace front, glue cut it out.

[Mal]

You've never seen a guy get his wig punched off on World star.

[Rory]

I know. No, I'm saying, saying. You're saying, baby, you can speak to it because she's a woman. I'm saying every woman fight. I see the lace front, everything comes off. Every glue comes off.

[Mal]

No, but a wig and a hairpiece or two, that's two totally different things. A wig, you.

[Rory]

Is it the same lace front glue, yes or no?

[Damaris]

I don't know what glue he used, but I know if gorilla glue.

[Mal]

That wasn't gorilla glue. He was supposed to put gorilla glue on that.

[Damaris]

If I'm his girl and I'm in the audience, I'm mortified. I'm leaving. Not only is you getting your ass.

[Mal]

Whooped if you his girl and he went and got a hairpiece, period. You mortified.

[Damaris]

Yeah, true.

[Mal]

Just get the baldy. What you doing?

[Damaris]

She might not know it's a hairpiece.

[Mal]

I know this girl.

[Rory]

She like she did.

[Damaris]

He said he know his girlfriend. Like, I still love you.

[Mal]

How do you know his girlfriend hang out?

[Damaris]

She used to hang out best.

[Mal]

Oh, okay. You know, I know she said I still love you.

[Rory]

Yo, that's a wild six degrees of separation. Pe know his girl.

[Mal]

How does peas know this man's girlfriend?

[Rory]

Is he from. I don't know, is he from Brooklyn?

[Mal]

He sound like he from New York. Yeah, in post fight he sound. He definitely sound like he's from New York.

[Rory]

Well, either way, I mean, getting in the ring, shout outs to him for.

[Mal]

Getting it, just getting in there.

[Rory]

Anybody that gets in the ring to fight, you have my respect for sure. And I respect being an undercard and going viral this week. If you don't think he's going to get more eyes the next time he fights.

[Mal]

Oh, he about to get brand deals. He about to get all kind of deals after that.

[Rory]

And I just don't think it's an accident.

[Mal]

I mean, he.

[Damaris]

Sometimes magic just happens.

[Rory]

That's a fact. No, that's a fact. That is a fact.

[Mal]

Maybe D says something right? Sometimes magic just happens. I might look crazy in the moment.

[Rory]

That is a fact.

[Mal]

But if we spin this the right way, if I got the right people around me to spin this the right way, we all right, we going to eat.

[Rory]

I just think if you're putting on a toupee for a fight, you really care about your image.

[Damaris]

Like he wears a toupee regularly.

[Rory]

I'm not just, I don't know his.

[Damaris]

Life if I wear a toupee, I.

[Rory]

Don'T know his girlfriend. I don't see him.

[Damaris]

If my sit up regularly. I'm not gonna go into the fight with a body and then come back with a toupee. That's crazy. That's crazy.

[Rory]

But you could run around with a toupee and then just take it all. Be like, yo, I shaved my head for the fight. Vaseline is. When you hit. It's a little easier if I don't have hair.

[Mal]

Like, like, I ain't gonna lie, bro, that came up.

[Damaris]

You know how when, like back on, like the, like the old cartoons when they hit you in your head with like the mat with the little thing and then like the head swell up on the top. That's what he looked like.

[Mal]

Bro. That looked crazy.

[Rory]

Yo, putting on someone else's toupee that got knocked off in a.

[Damaris]

That's like catching the, catching the game ball.

[Mal]

But didn't he say after the fight something like he, he picked up the wrong. But he thought it was a shampoo or something. It was, it was ammonia. That's what I think he said.

[Rory]

Oh, and it's his post, his post game.

[Mal]

He said something like that was the reason. Like, it, like it took his hair. It was ammonia. He put in his hair.

[Damaris]

Oh, wow.

[Rory]

That's what.

[Mal]

How do you even make that mistake?

[Rory]

One of my, one of my line brothers when we were in college that I don't know, his barber, like, up with cleaning the clippers and, and when he gave him a haircut, he started losing all his hair there. And everyone that got cut that day, same happened.

[Mal]

Like, from what? From what? From dirty clippers?

[Rory]

Yeah, there was something. I forgot exactly what. He found out what was on the clippers that somebody had or some. And yeah, he started his whole, nah.

[Mal]

Bro, you gotta see that before I sit down.

[Rory]

That's all. Yeah, that better be here.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Oh, he won.

[Damaris]

I didn't know.

[Rory]

No, no.

[Damaris]

Oh, that's what's up.

[Rory]

Well, I thought you were joking. You said when he was getting his ass. I mean, he got caught.

[Damaris]

I didn't watch the fight. He won.

[Mal]

Yeah, no, he won. He just, you know, he's a viral sensation today, but he won.

[Damaris]

Oh, they said he said in the ring afterward that he lost his hair a couple days earlier. So this is new to him. A couple days earlier, after using a bottle of shampoo he found at his mother's house that was like ammonium, bleached. Miller laughed, saying he knocked that off and calling himself a comedian. Okay, so he's new to being bald headed. I would have got a toupee too.

[Rory]

No, I would have said, I just shaved my head. Yeah, for the fight. I could rub Vaseline all over the baldy.

[Mal]

He gonna go baldy for the fight. Like. Like, I'm a boxer, bro. The other dude bald. Like, we both in here bald. That's it.

[Rory]

Any place you can put Vaseline is better.

[Mal]

Yeah. I'm not getting a headpiece. I'm not doing that.

[Rory]

That's just crazy hair pieces.

[Damaris]

Damn.

[Rory]

That's crazy hair system.

[Mal]

That's what they call it, a hair system. Hair system.

[Rory]

Yo. I give a lot of respect to NFL players that play with dreads. I don't know how the they do that locks like that. That's kind of nuts sense to me.

[Mal]

Why?

[Rory]

I. It would be a insecurity thing for me. If I'm a running back, I would just have the fear that someone is going to grab my hair when I'm. When I'm going past the outside linebacker. They just may grab that.

[Damaris]

They should try to do that with Troy Palomalo. Shout out to Troy Palomalu for going to the hall of Fame.

[Mal]

He wasn't in already?

[Rory]

No. With the timing, I think that does.

[Mal]

Damn. So he'd been in the hall of Fame, but yes. Shout out to Troy Palomo.

[Rory]

I mean, definitely first battle.

[Damaris]

It.

[Rory]

Yeah, definitely deserves. But I mean, you want to talk real conspiracies, yo, keeping Bill out the hall of Fame, it's. It's been covered everywhere. We don't need to do a lot of time on it. I'm not going to say anything that every sports pundit hasn't said already, but come. What are we doing right now?

[Mal]

Bill Belichick.

[Rory]

What are we doing? What are we. What are we.

[Mal]

Yeah, it's crazy, but he has to be in hall of Fame. It's just nothing to even talk about this.

[Rory]

He'll get in the hall of Fame, but the great greatest. Not even arguably, if you can go with the stats. Greatest coach of all time. Why is that not first ballot? And if you want to go with Deflategate and Spygate. All right. Keep that same energy when. When it's Brady's turn. And. And tell me Brady getting the boot for first ballot. Hall of Fame.

[Mal]

Or maybe they want them to go in together.

[Rory]

That's.

[Mal]

Nah, maybe.

[Rory]

I mean, the hall of Fame is built up mostly of writers and shit. And, you know, Bill was not a media darling.

[Mal]

Yeah, he ain't got to be. We win that many games.

[Rory]

Yeah. Damaris has given us one of these.

[Mal]

Do it again, baby D. Yeah.

[Rory]

All right.

[Mal]

Well, for.

[Rory]

This is a big moment for us. We're not going to do a full topic because everyone talked about it, but.

[Mal]

That'S why they put. It's too big.

[Rory]

The integrity of the NFL is being questioned, Maris.

[Mal]

That's.

[Rory]

That's a big thing for us.

[Mal]

Okay, look at Damaris vision board.

[Rory]

Put that on screen.

[Mal]

What is that? That's why she got vitamins up there. What is that? That.

[Rory]

That's.

[Damaris]

That's actually ADHD medication. Because I want to get medicated for my ADHD.

[Mal]

It's not vitamin. Oh, that was. That's 2025. Anyway, you got to update. You got to update it.

[Rory]

Yeah. What on here? Did you. Did you meet. I see tits.

[Damaris]

Well, I did fall in love.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Damaris]

Unfortunately, I did go viral. I did read a lot. I did go on vacation. My hair did get longer. I did get a new apartment. So the majority of that actually did come true.

[Mal]

True.

[Rory]

Did you sit Indian style on the beach?

[Damaris]

I did.

[Rory]

Nice. Okay. Are we there? Yeah.

[Damaris]

Only thing that really didn't come, the brand trip, the money, and the abs. The abs was there for a second, though. They left, but I think they on their way back. No, they had to go get milk. They on their way back.

[Mal]

Yeah. Abs. Like when they used to tell you your father went to the store to get cigarettes. That nigga was in prison. He ain't coming back. He won't be back. I can promise you.

[Damaris]

They're coming. They're coming back for sure.

[Rory]

Yeah. Fucking go. Support your ovary.

[Damaris]

What did you put on your vision board?

[Rory]

I'll take a picture of it.

[Mal]

Punk ass honkies. Hilarious.

[Damaris]

It's Black History Month. All the non blacks to the back.

[Rory]

I like Honky. I wish we'd bring Honky back.

[Mal]

Good word. Love Honky.

[Rory]

Honky's a good one.

[Mal]

And shout out to the Honky Tonk man, one of my favorite wrestlers. Fair. My man right there.

[Rory]

Maybe Cracker back this year.

[Damaris]

Oh, Cracker never left. You know what? Last time I played around like this, y' all took it and clipped it and said I was a racist. I am joking. This is my white friend. I can joke with him. I do not use.

[Mal]

This is good. No, we need to do this because we need. This is a better world when we could talk to our white friends and throw fake racist jokes at him. You know what I mean? Like, it's good. We need this dialogue.

[Rory]

I don't think anyone is gonna say that Damaris is racist because she called me honky. Seriously.

[Damaris]

Anyway, happy Black History Month.

[Mal]

Happy Black History Month. If you celebrate Black History Month, I.

[Damaris]

Guess I don't know how the you don't celebrate black history.

[Mal]

I celebrate black history every day, every year, period.

[Rory]

The words of Kanye West. I make black history every day. I don't need a month.

[Mal]

We talk about legendary black artists, athletes, musicians, creators every day. Every day. Every day is black history, period. But if you don't February. I get it. Understand, I'm not gonna be that guy. I'm not gonna be a stickler.

[Damaris]

Get it?

[Mal]

Yes, it is February. So yes.

[Rory]

And in the words of Bill Burr, shortest month. These are tropical people. Maybe give them July.

[Mal]

Makes this to me.

[Rory]

These are tropical people.

[Mal]

We'll talk to y' all soon. Be safe, be blessed. I'm not. He's just peace. No worry.

[Rory]

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