Episode 458 | Respect The Bubble

Summary

New Rory & MAL – Episode 458 | Respect The Bubble

Release Date: February 20, 2026
Hosts: Mall, Peach, Baby D

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Episode Overview

In this episode of New Rory & MAL, the crew dives into the theme of "respecting the bubble," exploring how everyone lives in their own perspective or "bubble"—whether in relationships, music opinions, or online culture. The conversation traverses topics like relationship trust and micro-cheating, the controversial Jadakiss vs. Drake debate in hip-hop, this year’s exciting music releases, the challenges and nuances of artist independence, and public figures caught up in controversy. The group also touch on cultural differences in therapy, fraternity life, and the responsibilities of having a public platform.

The tone is lively, irreverent, self-aware, and always rooted in humor with thoughtful critiques and plenty of inside jokes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Relationships, Trust, and “Micro-Cheating”

• Starts (02:59) with playful banter about sharing and turning off phone location with friends and significant others.
• Micro-cheating: Is disabling your location micro-cheating? They agree it generally isn’t unless another person is involved.
• Manipulation and trust: Baby D jokes about turning off her location to make her partner paranoid, leading to the idea of “starting fires” in relationships for amusement.
• Quote:
  • “If you give me a sleepless night, I owe you several.” — Baby D (05:05)
• Peach shares a story about someone tricking him with location-switching, leading to broader skepticism around trust and technology.

2. Faith, Fasting, and Life Updates

• Discusses Ramadan fasting (07:09) and Mall’s experience participating while podcasting. Peach and Baby D debate joining in spiritual fasts or giving something up for Lent.
• Lighthearted religious-cultural banter, comparing Lent and Ramadan:
  • "Lent is just really just white Ramadan." — Peach (09:45)
• Shout-outs to family, upcoming birthdays, and time spent with loved ones.

3. The Jadakiss vs. Drake Debate and “Respecting the Bubble”

• Mall and Peach recount their recent appearance on Math Hoffa’s podcast and a heated barbershop debate: Does Jadakiss have two classic albums, and does Drake have any? (11:19 – 16:39)
• This leads Mall to a personal “breakthrough”:
  • “Everybody is just living in their own world... I have to start respecting people's bubbles.” — Mall (12:10)
• They reflect on how people can watch the same movie or listen to the same album and have radically different opinions.
• “My entire podcasting career, I've just been trying to tell Maul, that's your bubble.” — Peach (13:20)
• Conclusion: Don’t try to force your “bubble” on others.

4. New Music, Industry Trends, and Social Media Algorithms

• Recap of hanging out at Math Hoffa’s, New York hip hop culture, and the uniting power of music.
• Hype for upcoming music releases: Baby Keem, Larry June & Curren$y & Alchemist, SZA, and more (20:02 – 24:42).
• The group debates whether 2026 will stack up to 2016 in terms of legendary music years.
• Social media’s role in music discovery: shift from Twitter to TikTok, how algorithms can “blackball” artists.
• “I respect the otter bubbles.” — Mall, after learning of Peach’s love for otters and viral animal videos (22:19).

5. LaRussell, Lil Wayne, and the "Substance" Twitter Wars

• Ongoing online controversy about LaRussell's critique of Lil Wayne's music “substance” and fan standom (28:38 – 33:42).
• Explores the cycle of artists giving opinions, fan outrage, and the “currency” in online drama.
  • “There's a lot of currency in becoming this stand leaders over the last few years.” — Peach (32:50)
• Debates whether LaRussell is truly being attacked or just playing into the attention for fun.
• Discussion of musician independence and fan expectations when artists partner with major labels.

6. Direct-to-Consumer Music: Even & Major Labels

• Explains UMG’s partnership with Even, likened to Patreon for musicians, empowering artists to sell directly to fans (38:25 – 43:16).
• Peach and Mall break down why this move is both progressive and just another instance of majors playing “catch up.”
• Discussion on art versus commerce—most “independent” companies still want to make money, and that’s not “selling out.”
  • “Not everything is revolutionary. Some people just come in this business to make money.” — Peach (43:01)

7. The DaBaby Discussion: Blackballing, Cancel Culture & Artist Growth

• In-depth talk about DaBaby’s career, perceived blackballing, TikTok virality versus mainstream algorithms, and whether casual or core fans will stand by artists after controversy (44:44 – 55:34).
• The hosts argue that DaBaby’s lack of musical evolution and doubling down on negative PR moments hurt him, not just “cancel culture.”
• Comparison to other controversial artists, and how sustained greatness (Kanye, etc.) “protects” some from being canceled.
  • “You can be the villain, but you gotta be putting out art that's undeniable.” — Mall (54:32)
• A nuanced look at the lasting impact of trauma and mental health challenges, especially in Black communities:
  • “He's dealing with hurt. He's dealing with trauma. He's dealing with his own shit mentally.” — Mall (61:47)

8. Cam Newton, Kevin Samuels, & Red Pill Conversations

• The group reacts to Cam Newton's latest controversial takes about women's value and fatherhood (65:00 – 67:57), connecting it to broader "red pill" and men’s podcast discourses.
• Reminiscing about Kevin Samuels’ legacy versus the new wave of misogynist online personalities—how public platforms can harm or help, and the responsibility that comes with them (68:13 – 78:11).
• Peach and Baby D agree Samuels was mean, but articulate, and not as “off the rails” as present-day Manosphere content.
  • “Kevin Samuels was not as bad as I thought he was, man. That guy was—he was kind of on point.” — Peach (74:11)

9. Fraternities, Hazing, and Membership

• Debates about Greek life, fraternities, and why people join, prompted by a viral hazing video (84:14 – 91:49).
• Peach explains his personal journey with Kappa Alpha Psi and how it offers lifelong community, which is compared to gangs or other lifelong communities.
• Lighthearted jokes about the culture shock of fraternity rituals and how these experiences vary.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• [05:05] Baby D: "If you give me a sleepless night, I owe you several."
• [09:45] Peach (on Lent): "Lent is just really just white Ramadan."
• [12:10] Mall: "Everybody is just living in their own world... I have to start respecting people's bubbles."
• [13:20] Peach: "My entire podcasting career, I've just been trying to tell Maul, that's your bubble."
• [22:19] Mall: "I respect the otter bubbles."
• [32:50] Peach: "There's a lot of currency in becoming these stand leaders over the last few years."
• [43:01] Peach: "Not everything is revolutionary. Some people just come in this business to make money."
• [54:32] Mall: "You can be the villain, but you gotta be putting out art that's undeniable."
• [61:47] Mall: "He's dealing with hurt. He's dealing with trauma. He's dealing with his own shit mentally."
• [74:11] Peach: "Kevin Samuels was not as bad as I thought he was, man. That guy was... He was kind of on point."

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Important Timestamps

• 02:59 – Trust, location sharing, and micro-cheating
• 07:09 – Mall discusses fasting and Ramadan
• 11:19 – Math Hoffa podcast experience; Jadakiss vs. Drake classic albums debate
• 13:11 – “Moment of clarity” for Mall about respecting others' bubbles
• 16:39 – “Bubble” barbershop communities in hip hop
• 20:02 – Upcoming music releases, shifting social media role in promotion
• 28:38 – LaRussell vs. Wayne, opinions vs. outrage currency
• 38:25 – The “Even”/UMG direct-to-consumer platform explained
• 44:44 – DaBaby’s “hot single,” TikTok vs. mainstream, blackballing/music growth
• 61:47 – Trauma and personal context for public figures
• 65:00 – Cam Newton, “villain” era of public figures
• 68:13 – Kevin Samuels, platform responsibility, and "brutal honesty"
• 84:14 – Fraternity hazing video goes viral; lifelong community, perceptions on Greek life

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Tone and Style

True to New Rory & MAL, this episode weaves sharp, direct, frequently hilarious banter with deeper, honest talk about relationships, music culture, and social issues. The hosts encourage self-reflection ("respecting the bubble"), champion nuance over outrage, and aren’t afraid to poke fun at themselves—or their listeners.

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For New Listeners

This episode is a perfect example of the show’s signature mix of comedy, culture commentary, and self-awareness. If you’re looking for honest perspectives on hip hop, relationships, internet culture, and how to stay sane (and funny) in the midst of it all, this one’s a must-listen.

Transcript

[Baby D]

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[Peach]

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[Mall]

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[Peach]

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[Baby D]

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[Mall]

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[Baby D]

No worry. Enough.

[Peach]

No conductor.

[Baby D]

No worrying.

[Mall]

Ma.

[Baby D]

No. No worry, ma. All right. Not too much energy now.

[Mall]

I know. Conserve. You have to conserve. Preserve.

[Peach]

Wait. We can do a rolling sty. Let me see. Did Damaris turn her location off with me? Now that I know that's. That's a. See, now I don't even have your location.

[Mall]

You don't even know what the matter.

[Peach]

That's crazy, man.

[Mall]

You don't even know where she at right now.

[Peach]

No location found. I used to have it.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, I turned that off.

[Baby D]

Why don't you turn it off a while ago?

[Peach]

For what?

[Baby D]

Motherfuckers don't even know where I'm at.

[Peach]

You think I just be, like, looking at the map?

[Baby D]

You're not the only person with my location.

[Peach]

Oh, you turn it off.

[Baby D]

Everybody for everybody.

[Peach]

Okay.

[Baby D]

All right.

[Peach]

I thought.

[Mall]

I feel better now.

[Peach]

Yeah, way better. I thought, like, you specifically, was like, nah, you can't have it.

[Mall]

Is that because we were just talking about micro cheating or off air turning off your location? A micro cheat?

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Is that considered, like, if your significant other turns off their location, is that, like, micro cheating?

[Baby D]

No, because there's no one involved in the micro cheating. There's micro cheating, has to involve another person. There's no. What am I cheating on?

[Peach]

What are you turning your location off for?

[Baby D]

I'm single and my off right now.

[Mall]

No, no, no, no.

[Peach]

He's saying in a relationship, but that's what I'm saying.

[Baby D]

You can just turn it off because sometimes you just don't want to be

[Mall]

found by your significant other. By anybody playing hide and seek with your significant.

[Peach]

Yeah, your significant other said that to you.

[Baby D]

How would you know your next move?

[Peach]

Like, your boyfriend, your life partner never

[Mall]

let your life partner know your next move is crazy. Yo, you my boyfriend and all that, but, like, nah, you can't know what I'm about to do next.

[Peach]

Got to keep you guessing.

[Baby D]

Keep guessing.

[Mall]

Yeah. That is hilarious.

[Baby D]

Turning off your location in a. In a. I've had. I've had people have my location and then turn it off. Like, they were like, you, I have your location. You sure you want me to have it? Just because when I'm mad at you, Turn that bitch right off the game.

[Mall]

The things we do now is just so fun.

[Baby D]

Mind you, I'm sitting in the crib, chilling, eating a pint of ice cream. But nah, N text me and said, why you turn your location off?

[Mall]

See, baby D, she like to start fires. You would be like, a little pyromandia.

[Baby D]

I didn't start the fire. I fanned that.

[Mall]

No, no, but that's what you do. But that's what you do in relationships. Like, you'll do something. Like, I know he gonna start panicking or tripping if I turn his location off. He gonna start thinking I'm boom, bop, bop, whatever, right? I'm in the house eating a pint of ice cream, watching tv. But I want him to be panicking wherever he at. You like to do things like that?

[Baby D]

If you give me a sleepless night, I owe you several.

[Mall]

That sound like that's in the moment. What? That's on the moment, on the wall,

[Peach]

like, with interest, or. It can't just be an eye for an eye.

[Baby D]

Nah, ain't no eye for eye. Ain't no.

[Peach]

I can't just call it even.

[Mall]

I gotta preserve. I gotta preserve the energy. Chill, man.

[Peach]

Maybe I have a. A bitter outlook to the location thing. Because once a girl explained to me that she switched her location from her iPad and left it at home, like, with her icloud. I was texting her iPad, but then she could leave with her phone and the location would stay with the iPad. I need an IT guy to figure that shit out. But she's like, yeah, girls, we do it all the time. So that's why the location thing, like, don't even. We don't even need to do that because I'm already going in not trusting it.

[Mall]

It's tough being in relationships, man.

[Baby D]

Not if you're in relationships with faithful people. If you're a good person, good shit happens to you.

[Mall]

But who's faithful, though?

[Peach]

There's plenty of people that are faithful where they at in the world, because

[Mall]

they ain't in this room right here.

[Baby D]

Oh, don't do that. Don't put that on me. Rory maybe, but don't put that on.

[Peach]

Why we put this on me.

[Mall]

Put that on Rory, but not me.

[Peach]

Everyone in this room is single, though.

[Mall]

How you know I'm single?

[Peach]

I don't. How.

[Baby D]

How we know he don't text Cole? How we know he's single? Like, come on now.

[Mall]

Baby D. So mad. She don't know who I be texting.

[Baby D]

I know who you don't be texting.

[Mall]

Who I don't be texting.

[Baby D]

I might not know who you texting. I know who you don't text.

[Peach]

We gonna figure out.

[Mall]

Let me text Jermaine. Let me text Jermaine for Baby D. One time.

[Peach]

You should.

[Mall]

So she could be like, oh, shit. Word.

[Peach]

Well, P. Just tech savvy. We're gonna find a way. We'll hack your icloud. We'll figure it out. I know the password's Rockefeller's finest 225

[Mall]

translation point.

[Baby D]

My big brother was Big's brother.

[Mall]

That's my password, baby. My big brother was Big's brother. That's my password. Look at the password y' all putting on me.

[Peach]

Yeah, I can see that.

[Mall]

Oh, God.

[Baby D]

Ma is fasting, so if you see him laughing and stop himself from laughing, it's. Cause he weak right now.

[Mall]

Yeah. I didn't wake up for sahur this morning, so I didn't eat. So now I'm on my. Whatever I had last night, that's what I'm on right now.

[Peach]

And you had some tummy problems the day before, Ron.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Peach]

Yeah. You into Ramadan?

[Mall]

Like, this is perfect, actually, because it's like you get the fast. You get to kind of get whatever's in your system, get it out, flush all that out. But it's. I can't be like today. I gotta. I gotta extra, like, preserve my energy differently today.

[Peach]

Did. Did you do Ramadan last year?

[Mall]

Did I. I don't think so.

[Peach]

I think I did.

[Mall]

I think I did it the year before that.

[Peach]

Yeah. Yeah, because I know. I definitely know this isn't the first time you've done it when you've been on this podcast.

[Mall]

I just remember last year.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Peach]

Well, I think that's great. And everyone, shout out to everyone celebrating Ramadan.

[Mall]

Ramadan, Mubarak.

[Peach]

Yeah, I know. I know. It can also be an annoying time for people as well. My dad wanted to go down into Postland. I said, during Ramadan. Don't. It's not gonna be the fun that you think it's gonna be during Ramadan.

[Mall]

I mean, it's cool, man. Ramadan is a great time.

[Peach]

No, I think it's incredible. But if you're going. Trying to go to Mexico to have fun with people that celebrate Ramadan, you're not gonna have the fun that you think.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah, no, no, no. It's not. It's not fun.

[Peach]

No.

[Mall]

It's just a different time. It's time for being still and focus and.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Mall]

You know, things like that. Baby, you should fast with me.

[Baby D]

I should fast with you?

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Why not?

[Baby D]

Why?

[Mall]

Until March 19th? Yeah.

[Baby D]

What?

[Mall]

I'm fasting from anything. You just pray for, you know, clarity and whatever you want, you know, whatever you may be having going on, energy in your life that you want, you know, it's just. That's what it's for. It's Just kind of resending yourself.

[Baby D]

Sun up to sundown.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Okay.

[Mall]

It's not bad.

[Baby D]

I think about it. I mean, I've done.

[Mall]

You fasted a day without even trying before you've definitely gotten up. Didn't eat nothing and didn't eat until the sun went down. Oh, no.

[Baby D]

For sure. And then I've done. Daniel fasts, like, most multiple times, so I usually start them on the month off with one.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

But that. That's a significant amount of time. And it. The majority takes place. The majority of it takes place during March, my birthday month.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah. Yes.

[Peach]

Or sometimes April.

[Mall]

326. Well, no. When's your birthday? Yeah.

[Baby D]

3:26, baby. Oh, you remember.

[Mall]

Well, I'm 9:26. And now I can't forget your birthday.

[Baby D]

Oh, I have Mall's half birthday.

[Peach]

Mall has peaches. Mom's birthday.

[Mall]

Yes. Me and Peach. So much synergy on the same day, same year his mom was born. Same day, same year.

[Peach]

Well, yeah, I think you should celebrate Ramadan as well, Peach. We can figure out what we want to give up for Lent whenever you're ready, you know.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Lint started, though. You was been supposed to figure out what you wanted to give up.

[Mall]

He gave up lint.

[Peach]

40 days, 40 nights.

[Mall]

He gave up lint for Lent.

[Peach]

Or you gonna say, like, Lent is just really just white Ramadan?

[Mall]

It's definitely white Ramadan. Yeah. We can't have nothing, boy, I tell you, boy, we can't have nothing without you all coming. Here y' all come, we'll do lint.

[Peach]

Here come the Roman Catholics. Like, oh, I like that thing you guys are doing.

[Mall]

And lint is always white. You know that. You know, you ever see lint, like, you never see Black Link before.

[Baby D]

Like, Black Link.

[Mall]

Who's seen black lint?

[Peach]

Depends the fit.

[Mall]

Yeah. Well, it does if you have this material.

[Peach]

I mean, it's brown, but you can get them in black.

[Mall]

There's.

[Peach]

There's black lint on these.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Peach]

Anyways, how's everyone's week been? Mall? We have not gotten a single day off of recording this week.

[Mall]

Nah, man. This is what we do, baby. This is what we do.

[Peach]

Tuesday, outside of the the Prince podcast that we're producing, we did go on Matt's podcast.

[Mall]

Yeah. Shout out to Math Hoffa and the guys at the shop, man. Had a good time, good conversation with the fellas, man.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

So thank you. Kind of like kick it with a, you know, a barbershop full of the fellas.

[Peach]

Yeah. And it was one of those environments where we Chopped it up for two hours before we got on camera, and then four hours after we stopped recording. It was one of those days.

[Mall]

Yeah, we didn't leave till about 2

[Peach]

in the morning, something like that.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah.

[Peach]

It was so late, I had to go through Staten island to get home. Yeah, that's how you know it's. That's how you know it's way past. It's like, oh, the Verrazano. Yeah, Okay.

[Mall]

I see what's going on, man. It's the scenic route. Here we go. Let's do it.

[Peach]

But, yeah, thank. Thank you. To math. I don't know the exact date, but I know he is putting out pretty soon, so. So it was a lot of fun. It was a lot of tequila flowing. It was. It was nice to be in like. Like real, real New York.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Peach]

I'm not gonna say where he was, but, like, that's. Those people have lived on that block for 75 years.

[Mall]

With real New Yorkers. Real New Yorkers.

[Peach]

It was cool to be out there. You got a little heated at one point. Did I not heated? Heated. That's the wrong word. I didn't think. I didn't think the Jada vs Drake combo would get you off your square.

[Mall]

Look at the combo.

[Baby D]

Y' all need better shit to talk about.

[Mall]

No, we were just talking about, you know, because obviously it's rappers in the room. It's guys that just love hip hop. So obviously, you know, you see, start having those conversations and they landed on. And this is when I, like. Like, I could feel like my soul kind of leaving the room a little bit. Yeah, well, somebody said Jadakiss has two classic albums and Drake has none. And at that moment, I knew. I said, you know what? I get it now. Life in that moment. See, it's the. It's crazy, Baby D. The things that bring clarity in that moment. Just hearing Jadakiss has two classic albums and Drake has none. In that moment, I thought to myself, okay, this makes sense. Because now I understand more than ever that everybody is just living in their own world.

[Peach]

Yeah, welcome.

[Mall]

Like, we can sit here right now, Baby D, watch the same movie, but we gonna feel differently. We gonna see the movie differently. We gonna receive the message in the movie differently.

[Baby D]

You said Scarface was a bad movie.

[Mall]

I think you're in Scarface. I mean, that's one of the most overrated movies ever. But you know what? I get it. I'm in this era. I'm in now. I'm going to start respecting people's bubbles. Your own world. That's your world. That's what y' all do in your world. That's how y' all receive things in your world. I have to start respecting. I do a bad job at not respecting people's worlds.

[Peach]

This. I mean, this is a breakthrough. We should make this a clip.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Peach]

How long have we been trying to explain to Maul that he lives in his own bubble?

[Mall]

Right. You're right.

[Peach]

Like, Maul, not everyone sees things.

[Baby D]

My entire podcasting career, I've just been

[Peach]

trying to tell Maul, that's your bubble.

[Mall]

Listen, I apologize. Y' all are right.

[Peach]

It took Jadakiss vs Drake to get here.

[Mall]

That was it.

[Peach]

Wow.

[Mall]

Look at the things. Look at the things that breed clarity. I said, you know what a.

[Peach]

That's never been had before.

[Mall]

I said, you know what? I get it. In this moment, this moment of clarity, I understand. So I apologize for pushing my world into your world, Baby D. Put.

[Peach]

Put. Moment of clarity, Jay Z. Yeah.

[Mall]

This is a moment of clarity, this moment of honesty. Right.

[Baby D]

The world will feel your truth.

[Mall]

The world will feel my. From a hard knock like. Like this. Listen, if you feel like Jadakiss has two classic albums and Drake has none, who am I to argue?

[Peach]

Well, once again, I was kind of. And this is just good promo for the math podcast. We don't have to give away the entire thing. But once again, I was bubble crossing. I was like, you know, in the circles, and there's like, that Venn diagram. Yeah. Because I think Kiss has classic albums, and I think Drake has classic albums, but that room was very split. I was the only one that was on the border of, like, why can't we all just get it?

[Mall]

Like, that one was very divided.

[Peach]

They're both. They're both incredible MCs, right.

[Mall]

Very split. And I just felt like at that moment, I turned into, like, one of the, you know, the barber. The. The hair chart that's hanging on the wall in barbershop. I was that. In that moment, I was just like, okay, stoic. I get it. Listen, I'm just listening. I'm observing, and I'm trying to understand what everybody is saying and realize that our experience on this here planet Earth is all different.

[Peach]

But respectfully, if you walked into that barbershop, I think one of the first things you would think was in this bubble. It looks like somebody would say, Kiss has classic albums, but Drake doesn't. It felt like we walked into that bubble to begin with. That didn't shock me as much as you.

[Mall]

No.

[Peach]

And I don't think you think it's crazy that someone would say Jadakiss has classic solo albums. I think it was the follow up of, like. With that said, nothing was the same as not a classic.

[Mall]

Drake has none. That's so you see how you were like, you know, I would split cool.

[Peach]

I think they both do.

[Mall]

I'm not mad at that, but I just was like, okay. Jada 2. Drake None. All right. Digg, Shout out my nigga Gucci.

[Baby D]

I know what that barbershop looked like, and I never even went in it. Like, I know exactly.

[Mall]

It's a nice.

[Baby D]

No, you know, I'm not talking about the actual barbershop. I'm talking about the people in it. I know what fits they had on, sneakers, colorways, everything.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a lot of. Yeah, it was New York. It was New York throwing through, for sure.

[Peach]

And I mean, because it was quote unquote, the real, like, the real deep outer borough experience. I was not aware that Math rolled around with that many tough whites. Yeah, Math got all the white goons in New York City behind him. I'd be scared of Math. Outside of Math, we've seen how Math operates on his own. He doesn't need a lot of help. But knowing that you got the tough whites behind you, too.

[Mall]

Yeah, man.

[Peach]

I don't know, man. That made math 10 times scarier.

[Mall]

But that's what hip hop does, though. You know, it brings. It brings all, you know, cultures together, all races together. It's just something that we all, especially in New York City. It's a hip hop. It's a hip hop world. New York City.

[Peach]

Anytime you run into somebody in that part of Brooklyn with fighting Irish tattoos on their neck, you should be petrified.

[Mall]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Peach]

Like, really scared.

[Mall]

Shout out to Mav Hoffman. The guys at the shop, man. Shout out. Dutchy.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Did you yell at them? How you be yelling at me? Yo, if I was looked. If I would have looked at you and said, drake has. Doesn't have any classic albums, which I do not believe. I believe Drake has classic albums. But if I was to look at you and say that, you would have yelled at me.

[Mall]

Not yet. See, Baby D, I'm.

[Peach]

You'd have raised your voice yelling, but not in a, like, combative way.

[Mall]

If I've ever yelled at you, Baby D, I'm sorry.

[Peach]

You know, we record this.

[Mall]

I'm sorry.

[Baby D]

If I've ever.

[Mall]

I apologize. I wasn't yelling at you.

[Peach]

I was yelling at her, bubble.

[Mall]

I would know. I was. I wasn't yelling at her, Bubbles. I was Yelling at the conversation. It was the conversation. It wasn't you. You were part of the conversation. But it wasn't you that I was yelling at. And if you've ever felt like I was yelling at you, Baby D, I apologize. I was not yelling at you. I would never yell at you.

[Peach]

Today's day three of Ramadan.

[Baby D]

No. Yeah.

[Mall]

I don't know.

[Baby D]

What day is it?

[Mall]

Day two.

[Peach]

Day two.

[Baby D]

Okay.

[Peach]

Yeah. Let's see where mall's at at day seven with all this. This Kumbayashi. No, man, listen, man start to get more irritable.

[Baby D]

I think it's day. Day 15 might be his breaking point.

[Mall]

Listen, I understand. I understand. I get it. I'm respecting people's bubbles.

[Baby D]

Okay?

[Mall]

That's what I'.

[Peach]

Okay, okay. No, I'm not mad at it.

[Mall]

I respect your bubble. I respect Baby D's bubble. Peach. I respect your bubble. Love your bubble. Yeah.

[Baby D]

Hey, yo.

[Mall]

It's not.

[Peach]

He's got a bubble.

[Mall]

See how y' all make. It's me and Michael Jordan that y' all make it weird about. See why y' all make.

[Peach]

What Michael did was weird.

[Mall]

It wasn't weird, man. Y' all are just weird. The world is weird. That's what. Sorry. I'm respecting people's bubbles. Your bubble is different from Michael Jordan's bubble.

[Peach]

Yeah. You're more of a NASCAR bubble.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's.

[Peach]

I totally get.

[Mall]

Respect the bubbles.

[Peach]

All right. How are you celebrating this weekend with Ramadan?

[Mall]

Well, this week it's my nephew's birthday. Shout out to my nephew. I can't call him Nugget no more. He told me I can't call him Nugget. Cause he'll be 10 now.

[Peach]

Yo.

[Mall]

Yeah, so I gotta call it. He's a tender now. His name is. I gotta call him Big Ant. So shout out to my nephew, Big Ant. Happy birthday. I love you.

[Baby D]

Happy birthday.

[Mall]

So I'm spending the weekend with my nephew. He's probably. He's the most mature 10 year old. He's probably gonna go fishing and go play golf.

[Peach]

Oh, no. I've seen him on Instagram playing golf.

[Mall]

Yeah, he wants to. He's probably gonna want to do that. So I probably want a va. Yeah, so I'll probably do that with him. I'll probably just go fishing and play some golf with him.

[Baby D]

And you driving?

[Mall]

No, I'm flying down. I will never drive to Virginia again in my life. Once I seen. Saw how quick that flight was. 37 minutes. I'm not sitting on the road for six hours no more. I'm not doing that.

[Peach]

Yeah, DMV traffic.

[Mall]

Yes, it's over. Make it eight. Never doing that either.

[Peach]

Demerz was just saying that because she was saying if there was like, you know, an available seat, she would go down to Virginia. To Virginia.

[Mall]

What you got going on?

[Peach]

You think she was inquiring, like, you think she was just asking a question on the podcast?

[Mall]

What bubble you going down to see in the dmv? What bubble you going down there to see? You gonna bubble? Sin. We can go see bubbles in the dmv. I love the bubbles down there.

[Peach]

She is. She has family in Virginia.

[Mall]

Yeah, we all got family in Virginia. We all black. We all got family.

[Baby D]

Yo, everybody got family in Virginia.

[Mall]

We all got family in Virginia, definitely. So, yeah, that's what I'm doing this week.

[Baby D]

I'm.

[Mall]

I'll be with my nephew, Peach.

[Baby D]

Peach and Rory don't have none.

[Mall]

Oh, Peach. You got family, Virginia. See, look, Road trip down there.

[Peach]

I had one great uncle in Richmond, Virginia.

[Mall]

There you go.

[Peach]

I don't even know how the he ended up there.

[Mall]

That's all right.

[Peach]

He wasn't like with the rest of it. It was just went there. I don't even like, he would send cars and I'm like, how come? Like, oh, he lives in Richmond, Virginia.

[Mall]

I'm like, okay, that's all right. He down there.

[Peach]

I think he's dead now.

[Mall]

Oh.

[Peach]

Oh, my great uncle, he's old, but yeah, I mean, I never got to like hang with him in. In Richmond, but yeah, I do love the state of Virginia.

[Mall]

Virginia's a great time. Love Virginia.

[Peach]

Oh, yeah, that. That should be fun then.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's what I'm gonna do, man. I'll be on the golf course. Hopefully it's. The weather is all right and fishing and, you know, whatever else. Big aunt wants it. I gotta call him Big aunt. I gotta call my nephew, my 10 year old nephew. Big Aunt now. This is crazy.

[Peach]

I love that money's in town this weekend. I know Foggy has a release party on Saturday. I was actually gonna say to come with me to that, but I know you're going.

[Mall]

Yeah, he texted me. Yeah, when is it? Sunday, right?

[Peach]

I think it's Saturday. I'll triple.

[Mall]

Yeah, he texted me. I read. I was like, damn. Like. And it's funny cause Foggy, we always do that, like when he's in New York. Like, he have something to show. He'll hit me. I'm like, bro, why do we keep. Like one time he hit me, he was in New York and we Was in DC like n you from here. How you go up and we. We now we in D.C. like this weekend. So shout out to Foggy though. Like he definitely hit me and invited me to his. It's the first album.

[Peach]

No, his project actually comes out on the 27th with no due respect as the title.

[Mall]

Oh, so next. Next Friday.

[Peach]

Yeah, next Friday. But he's doing the New York run right now. He put out the features today. Or a blog did rather. Alicia Keys, Swizz, Ari Lennox, Larry June, Harry Frad and your guy John Legend. It's a big a lesser for a first album.

[Mall]

I'm respecting John Legend's book. Respected John Legend.

[Peach]

Good. But I'm excited for his project. We also get Baby Keem tomorrow. I mean if you're listening to this it is out now. Casino. We made our predictions but I'm. That's what I'm excited for.

[Mall]

I'm looking forward to the king. I'm looking looking forward to see what he did with this project.

[Baby D]

Like.

[Mall]

Like you guys spoke to Rory. He is an artist that I think we all anticipate his trajectory. What's what he's gonna do, what he's gonna sound like. So yeah, it's gonna be interesting to listen to that if you're. Well when you're hearing this. We are currently listening to that we

[Peach]

also get which I. I'm just out the loop and my apologies to hip hop in general. Larry June Currency and the Alchemists are putting out an album at midnight. Oh I didn't called Spiral Staircases. But I. I just think I'll be out the loop, man.

[Mall]

Some more luxurious music and luxurious rap.

[Peach]

Once I was ran out of Twitter, man, I. I feel like I miss a lot of releases places because like my Instagram algorithms aren't really like the way my Twitter algorithms were. Yeah, Twitter had. Was way more music hip hop related than.

[Baby D]

Than what IG is bad.

[Peach]

No, it's honestly all kid and otters. It's otters and kid.

[Mall]

I love otters.

[Peach]

That's my favorite.

[Mall]

Found their way into my algorithm. Like the people that own otters and just go swimming with them and just feed them like frozen fish sticks. Love them. I respect the otter bubbles.

[Peach]

Well, I mean I know Damaris knows this about me, but you know, that is my.

[Mall]

My.

[Peach]

My favorite animal like lifelong. I have like a weird otter obsession.

[Mall]

Really?

[Peach]

Yeah. No, it's like really like one of my hobbies is just watching otters. Like I'll go to Staten Island Zoo in the summertime and just watch the Otters. I know. It's kind of serial killer behavior. I've even. I've even like, researched. You know, you can own an otter in New Jersey. I just don't like with my bathtub. I. It's just not. It's an urban environment. I wouldn't want to do that to an otter. It'd be like, I'd be a good otter dad. But no, I just. I feel like an otter needs some more space. Yeah. But no, that's. That's a dream of mine is to own it like one day.

[Mall]

I never knew that about you.

[Peach]

I'm really in the otters.

[Mall]

Wow. All right. Respect to the auto bubbles.

[Peach]

That's mostly my algorithm.

[Mall]

I respect it. Listen, man, I love otters. Very unique animal, for sure.

[Baby D]

Do you think 2026 has the potential to be close to 2016 with, like, music? Because we getting some rap, we're getting

[Mall]

some really good music. We got some good R B as well. I'm not mad at the start that 2026 is off to. As far as the music. I'm not mad at that. Like, it's a lot of dope music out right now. Like, I'm not.

[Peach]

I. But to say 2016, to me, that's like, what is it? Like you see Haley's comet every fucking 20 generations or something. Like, I just don't know if you're ever gonna get all the stars, pun intended, to align and all put out some of their best work in one year. Like every A list artist and legend and icon now put out some of their best work that year. I just don't know that's it's ever going to align that way.

[Mall]

But even if it's not the legends, even if we get some of the newer artists, but they put out good albums.

[Peach]

I thought last year was an incredible good for music.

[Mall]

Yeah, I'm not. I'm not mad at that. But that's why I'm saying last year was good for music. And I think that 26 is off to a good start. We in February and I think we have some really good music already.

[Peach]

Yeah. And I'm looking forward to Larry June, Currency Alchemist. Always looking forward to Larry June, Bronx legend, Lil TJ.

[Mall]

Shout out to little TJ.

[Peach]

I mean, if we get in TJ tomorrow, it could be like 2016. I don't know.

[Mall]

It's off to a good.

[Peach]

That could be his. His Saint Pablo.

[Mall]

It could be. That could respect little TJ's.

[Peach]

That could be his lemonade.

[Mall]

Absolutely.

[Peach]

We also get a scissor Single save the day, which I think is attached to a movie. Todd Allen and Leon Thomas have been teasing this song for about two weeks now. Miss you too. Looking forward to hearing that. Reason Putting out an ep.

[Mall]

Don't play with my heart Shout out my Reed.

[Peach]

We get the first Yeba, I guess single for her project, Yellow Eyes. And I. I love yabba.

[Mall]

So happy she's going at Michael Jordan like that. Was she saying yellow eyes? Why she did that?

[Peach]

It took. It took me a quick second, kids, and I was like, oh, yellow.

[Mall]

Yeah. Trying to kill MJ for the whole Daytona thing.

[Peach]

He couldn't see, right. He thought it was dope.

[Mall]

Now all of a sudden. Yeah, but dropping yellow eyes.

[Peach]

Yeah, come on.

[Mall]

Yeah, but don't do that. Respect MJ's Daytona bubble. Don't do that.

[Peach]

Yellow eyes tell real lies. Yellow eyes realize, realize, ladies, if you

[Baby D]

see a with yellow eyes, run far away. We're on far away, bro.

[Mall]

Why?

[Baby D]

Cause that needs a liver cleanse. And he gonna die early and he gonna cheat on you before you do it.

[Peach]

Well, that's because he's dealing with addiction. Yeah, but if he has some money, you know, he's gonna die quick. And maybe you get in there. So it's not that crazy of a time investment. And, you know, with yellow eyes, don't

[Baby D]

got life insurance other than Michael Jordan.

[Mall]

But Michael, we joking. Michael Jordan's eyes aren't yellow. They're like cognac.

[Peach]

Because of the cognac and the cigar.

[Mall]

Drinks a lot of cognac, smokes a lot of cigars. MJ is in great health. I'm pretty sure he get to get the IV every other night. Like, he's cool. He's good.

[Peach]

Okay, well, yes, that athletic ability your body is. Can probably handle Henny better than the

[Mall]

rest when you're a billionaire.

[Peach]

Oh, yeah, you'll be fine.

[Mall]

And the athlete, like, you're an athlete first.

[Peach]

He's probably on, like, his seventh liver.

[Mall]

Yeah, come on, man.

[Peach]

Mj, the amount of billionaires that probably get, like, different, like, organ transplants without us even knowing.

[Mall]

Yeah, you think might. You think Michael Jordan don't have livers like that? He has sneakers.

[Peach]

Probably on his sixth heart.

[Mall]

Yeah, The Jordan brand livers. Y' all know nothing about the Jordan brand livers, dog. See, that's the problem. You could party all week and then just go get a new liver.

[Peach]

Yeah, come on.

[Mall]

That's mj, dog.

[Peach]

From the white woman that you're dating. Oh, wait, no. What's the kidneys? You can only give kidneys yeah, you can't give someone your liver.

[Baby D]

You can do a liver. They just take a little slice.

[Peach]

Oh, yeah.

[Baby D]

Yep. And because the liver regenerates itself.

[Mall]

Oh, MJ got wild livers. The. The livers rejuvenate themselves.

[Baby D]

Regenerate.

[Mall]

Yeah, regenerate.

[Peach]

A young white woman.

[Baby D]

Snakeskin kinda. Yeah.

[Mall]

You know? Yeah, you can do.

[Baby D]

You can do a partial liver.

[Mall]

Come on, family. I think MJ ain't got.

[Peach]

When you cut a caterpillar and becomes two caterpillars.

[Mall]

Come on, man. That's mj. That's Big Mike. Y' all tripping, man. Leave Mike alone. Well, call Micah.

[Baby D]

Thank you.

[Peach]

We didn't call him that. We just said the video was weird. I think in our bubble, it's okay to say that.

[Mall]

No, no, you went and figured out his middle name was Jeffrey and then tried to tie him into some more other. I saw you niggas on Twitter who

[Baby D]

had to figure that out. I knew that from Space Jam.

[Mall]

Yeah, but I mean, they. They was, like, looking. You know, they circled the middle name Jeffrey, and then the times they were living in, they tried to attack.

[Baby D]

So now every nigga named Jeffrey is a pedophile.

[Mall]

This is what I'm saying. This is what they trying to do to our legends. See what they trying to do? Dude, it's crazy. Respect MJ's Bubble Man

[Peach]

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[Peach]

Well, no, I did not see the day where Michael Jordan would be compared to Jeffrey Epstein just based off his middle name. But I also never thought I'd see the day where LaRussell was the bad guy of the industry.

[Mall]

Yo, man, this is. Listen, how many days.

[Peach]

When did he become the Lord Jamar of the music industry?

[Mall]

How many days has LaRussell been the main character online? Now this. He. He's pushing almost a week.

[Peach]

Yeah, he's not long. A week is.

[Mall]

Yeah, on online, you only the main character. Maybe for a day or two. Like he's at day five right now.

[Peach]

But, I mean, a lot of that was LaRussell's fault. And whether this is what he's doing purposely or not, he just. He's the one not letting it go. People would. Would have let it go. He's tweeting every day. He's putting out freestyles. He's bringing up new points. Like, and another thing. Yeah, like at 1am like, and here I I with LaRusso. I don't think he's a bad guy. I think you have opinion of Wayne at this point, though. I think he may be doing more. More damage for online perception. He ain't doing it. He's gonna be fine, man.

[Mall]

He's gonna be fine. Him and Wayne about to drop a record. I see how this is gonna go.

[Peach]

I hope they put out a record with no substance, like, called no Substance.

[Mall]

Yeah. Wayne had no ceilings, right?

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

No substance.

[Baby D]

LaRusso tweeted. Telling a rapper to stop talking and rap is the same as telling a n to shut up and dribble. Laughing face, laughing face we quickly become the same oppressors we so call hate. I don't have to make a hit song or rap because I said some shit that you didn't agree with. I don't have to now prove myself worthy of all I've earned because you don't like me, bitch.

[Mall]

God, me, God. I've never seen God right next to each other.

[Baby D]

I think it's supposed to be, comma, God made me.

[Peach]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mall]

Or he could have said God made

[Peach]

me punk just to show that he knows rappers substance.

[Mall]

I mean, Russell is right, though, like, that he is correct, like, but.

[Peach]

And this has again, nothing to do with the joke I was making about LaRussell commenting on my doshi. I do like when artists do get backlash for their opinions now because artists are doing more podcasts, more like their own content. I like to see this because y' all have been killing us for a decade for having an opinion. Not even disrespectful ones, just music opinions, the way art should be critiqued. And then I love. And I'm not saying this is Russell specific, but a lot of artists, when they get a taste of their own shit, there's like, wait, I can't have an opinion. It's like, no. That's what we've been trying to tell y' all this entire time. Yeah, we don't dislike you as people. We're just being honest about how we feel about your music. Everything has to be. It's the greatest of all time. Wayne has to be the greatest of all time, right?

[Mall]

I just don't.

[Peach]

We can't say a single bad word about him.

[Mall]

Do people understand that Wayne has said what LaRussell said? That's why I don't understand why this is going like this many days. Wayne has said that he has admitted

[Baby D]

carefully, keeps reminding people that he said it. Like, just. If he would just go quietly, like, there wouldn't be.

[Mall]

No, I get that. But if Wayne said that about himself and LaRussell was just saying what Wayne said, why are people mad at LaRusso? Like, that's the part I'm just having to. I know that the Internet is a weird place, but I'm just trying to understand why are so many, like. Cause we know Wayne has a. Yes, Wayne has a hive. I could say. We could say Wayne has a cult following at this point. I understand that. So I know when you have a cult following, you can't say anything about the person without the fan base piling on you, attacking you. And, you know, we get that part. But Lil Russell doesn't seem to be affected by any of this. He knows who he is, he knows what he meant. He knows how he feels about Wayne, how he holds him to a higher regard as an emcee, as a rapper. So he's having fun with this. But when you just look at the optics and say, okay, but what are people mad about that LaRussell said? Because literally Wayne has said the same thing.

[Peach]

Well, because now the currency online and on podcasting, and I'm not here to be a hypocrite. I'm saying we're part of that bubble as well. And in that world, there is currency, whether it really be real currency or social currency. Off pretending to be outraged about basic music opinion, pretending to lose your mind, because Lil Russell doesn't think Wayne has a substance that he once thought he had when he was 16. Do I think Lil Wayne has substance? Do I give a single fuck if La Russell thinks the same thing? No, but I could pretend to be fucking outraged, scream, get a bunch of Wayne fans on my side, and now I got a whole week of content. Now I could be the president of the Wayne fan club. And now everyone's gonna follow me and there'll be comments on this and other stands will come out the fucking woodwork like fucking roaches. And here we are.

[Mall]

Yeah, it's.

[Peach]

There's a lot of currency in becoming this stand leaders over the last few years. So, yeah, it doesn't shock me that this has become like a thing now. Now you look like the hero when you defend Wayne Capella. And I agree he has substance. And Russell's wrong, but I don't care. I don't give a fuck.

[Mall]

But you agree that who has substance?

[Peach]

I think Lil Wayne has substance, okay? And even if Wayne says I don't have substance, I'm disagreeing with the artist that's writing the music, okay? You have substance, bro. You've had substance. You have a lot of bullshit. Of course you have that. But you also have 10,000 mixtapes. There's going to be some bullshit, but you have substance. But I don't. I don't care if LaRusso thinks otherwise. And I don't think LaRusso gives a fuck that I think otherwise. We just all have to pretend like we do.

[Mall]

Listen, man, LaRusso, if LaRusso has proven anything, he's self sustaining.

[Peach]

He'll be.

[Mall]

He's literally, literally created his own bubble. He worked, created his own world community, everything. Created his own community. And I think this is interesting when he decides to, you know, sign a deal with a. I guess you can call Roc Nation a major. It is, right.

[Peach]

Depending on the deal structure that you do, they do. They do also have just the distribution company that they opened.

[Mall]

So you do that. So you come out of your bubble to kind of like, you know, integrate with the outside world, per se. And this is the first thing that happens soon as you. Soon as you leave the pergola, as soon as you leave your backyard, as soon as you step out of your bubble for one second. This is what they do to you.

[Peach]

Yeah. And I think a lot of times, a lot of fans, because I saw LaRussell getting flack before the Wayne thing, but just signing with Roc Nation because he was very open about turning down a deal with Roc Nation a few years ago when Roc Nation's whole structure was drastically different.

[Mall]

Well, he said it was no numbers attached to that, the first contract, so.

[Peach]

And I think a lot of fans, rightfully so, get attached to a artist that preaches independence, preaches doing things on your own, promotes that type of positive things for creators and artists. I think it's important that fans do attach themselves to that. But I think sometimes fans and listeners can be misinformed to somebody taking that business model and trying to elevate it. And now they're looking at you like a hypocrite because you don't fully understand the business. LaRusso did not sell out. Roc Nation has drastically different deals now where you can partner with somebody to elevate your message that you have already in a different way on more of a corporate side to get what you're doing out of just your backyard. Like, he's not supposed to elevate.

[Mall]

All right.

[Peach]

He's supposed to just. Just forever do the exact same business model.

[Mall]

Well, no, I mean. Well, some people would say, yeah, he should just, you know, continue doing what he was doing.

[Peach]

But he's still doing it, though.

[Mall]

No, definitely. He's still doing.

[Peach]

Still owns his masters, still has full creative control.

[Mall]

Absolutely.

[Peach]

Now there's just a. A partner that. I mean, he even said again before the Wayne thing, he said, after I signed with Rock, I watched the amount of. Of placements and blogs that were posting my records that had never posted before are now posting it. And I know some fans specifically, like Barbs or whatever, would say that's some evil Roc Nation thing. No, it's just what a label or partner does with marketing. That's just literally 101 marketing in any business. Yeah. Now what the Russell is doing in his backyard can be elevated to the rest of the world with a partner like Roc Nation. They have the connections to boost that out there. Not fake bots or boost numbers, but get your message out there. There's nothing wrong with that, especially when you have a positive message. I think it's worse when. If he had a negative one.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Peach]

What's wrong with him? Elevate in that way. But that also puts you on front street. And now you had an opinion that you probably didn't even think before you even got on the microphone. And now that's. That's the catch 22 of it. Now you're in everyone's face is saying dumb.

[Mall]

The verses. We all need to see the pergola versus the front porch.

[Peach]

Different platforms. That's not. Not to say LaRussell hasn't brought guests. I feel like even, like, Snoop has been back there. Like, he's brought guests there. But Nucci with front Point, like, most of that is guest based, whereas LaRussell is a lot of time. Him and his neighborhood and his community.

[Mall]

Yeah, no, I get it. But I'm just saying, like, first of all, shout out to what both of those gentlemen have built and what they're doing. Incredible. But when I say versus, meaning, like, I love what both of them have done. Like, I wanna see who's gonna be at the pergola with Russell. I wanna see who Nucci is bringing to the front porch. So, yes, the front porch is definitely guest based, but the Russell had some big names. Oh, hell yeah.

[Peach]

I wanna make it clear, too. Nucci started Front Porch with his own music. That wasn't like, I'm trying to do my version of outd a tiny desk or some. Yeah, that was his. He was putting his music out, and it caught, and then he was like, well, let me have some other people up here.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Peach]

And make it a jam session. And it turned into what it turned into. So I. I hear you. Just the verses would be. That'd be tough, though, because you got, like, a list. A list, A list. Shit. Down the front porch.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Peach]

And we made it out there. I think that's the game changer.

[Mall]

But we were supposed.

[Peach]

We.

[Mall]

Hey, listen, Russell, we still want to go to the pergola.

[Peach]

We wanted to go in.

[Mall]

Yeah. We've been talking about it years ago. Never made it happen. But at some point, I'm definitely, definitely I'm gonna make it to the bola. Absolutely. Gotta make it to the house, literally, that LA Russell has built.

[Peach]

Yeah, I guess. Before we get off music and nerd shit. Did you guys see the Even UMG partnership?

[Mall]

I seen them talking about it online. I seen Reason had some. Some things to say about it. I think I saw. When he retweeted it.

[Peach]

What did Reason say?

[Mall]

Well, he was kind of confused, like. Like, all right, so what is this? Like.

[Peach]

Yeah, I mean, there still needs to be a bit more information coming out with what their partnership means. Exactly. But it's. It's the majors pivoting to direct to consumer. It's. It's what we do with Patreon going directly to the people that listen that want to pay just for you. Whereas.

[Mall]

Oh, these are the labels playing catch up again. Yeah, got it. Okay.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Mall]

That's what you had to say.

[Peach]

The same way when they played Catch up with streaming, and then because they had the catalog, they could own it. And now us as consumers are like, dawg, paying 20 bucks for this shit. But I only listen to two artists. I'd rather give my $20 to the two artists that I fuck with. I don't want to give it to Spotify to have the whole catalog of music. I'd rather my money go to the. This goes back to the Stan culture we were talking about. Stan culture has become so prominent, and everything has its positives and negatives, but I think platforms like Even or Patreon or anyone that goes direct to consumer with a paywall that you can pick is great for the stand culture. That's the positive part of Stan Culture. People will really support these artists. They don't need anything else. So. Yeah, it's labels playing catch up with. With direct consumer. Okay, that's, that's really all the entire thing is. I don't know exactly how they're gonna pivot it or like if all UMG artists are now gonna have their own Even account. But like, you know, Kohl's used Even. It's. It's a big platform. But I, I guess I just didn't see the outrage because I've seen plenty of major sign other independent companies as sub labels and it's. I don't think it's any different than that.

[Baby D]

Can you break it down just a little bit more? Because I'm sure there's a lot of people that don't know what even is. I didn't know exactly what it was.

[Peach]

I assume a lot of people that listen to this show know what Patreon is. It's. It's a paywall where we can set different tiers for different prices. We can tell you what you get for this. This amount of content for this price even is pretty much the same thing with music. If I want to put a record out to my fans a month in advance before it hits TSP's, that's an option I can do. It's really just a direct to consumer option for your music.

[Mall]

Shout out to Shooter, shout out to Rock Marcy, shout out to those guys like that have been doing this type of thing for years direct to consumer with their fan base. And this is again, this is just essentially the majors now getting into that.

[Baby D]

Now before with, before with even, you had to have own. If you want to go direct to consumer, you had to own all of that content in order to give it to the consumer for a price. Now UMG is allowing that catalog to be used. So like, if you are releasing something that is going to be under umg, if a fan wanted to get it early, you can still do that where before you couldn't because UMG owns it. Either way, UMG is getting a cut.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Mall]

And wait, is this back catalog like. Or is this no new music?

[Peach]

All right. For example, I don't want to use the. The artist's name, but an artist that we all love, that maybe lived near Damaris at one point in her entire life, he got into a problem with even and even ended up getting sued because that artist owed another label a project and he put that project out on even without permission to do so. So even has ran into a lot of. Of different lawsuits. Some you can research on your own. I'm not going to get into it, but most of them have been catalog based or artists trying to utilize even when they're already in a deal with somebody else. So you're technically selling music that a major or whatever independent label you have is entitled to. But you're putting it over here on even. It's like it's similar if we have something with Netflix and put it on Patreon. Like it's that same thing. Now when you partner with umg, I assume even would probably prefer that because now I'm not going to have as many lawsuits and I have a partner with more artists that would be seamless in trying to get music out. If we're all friends here, then we can all utilize this platform the best way we can instead of fighting with artist labels when they're trying to put on your platform. So it's a smart business. Move on even. And. And that's a. That's another thing kind of full circle to the Russell thing. I saw a lot of artists mad with even. Like evens supposed to be fighting your independent fight. Everyone is in this business to make money as well. And I don't think even for the good of the culture wants to get sued every day and not be able to grow their company and also make money. So I hear y'. All. But not, not everything is revolutionary. Some people just come in this business to make money.

[Mall]

That is a fact.

[Peach]

Like just because we're independent doesn't mean I'm not here to turn a profit. Like this isn't a 513C dog.

[Mall]

Yeah. I want to make money.

[Peach]

Yeah. I'm here to make money.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Peach]

And if. If that has to do with. With changing with the times. And I'm sure Spotify didn't want to partner with Sony and Universal, but you got the. You got the catalog. I got no choice.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Peach]

I could just be a hero in Sweden for a couple hundred thousand people or I could grow it to be the biggest DSP ever. Which would you pick?

[Mall]

Makes sense to me. Listen, it's business. It's business. That's what we better understand. It's all. It's all a part of the business.

[Peach]

And I, I get why fans art versus commerce. I'm one of those people too where it's up. But this is also people's job. They. Not everything is for the love of. Of of the culture.

[Mall]

Sometimes people just want to make most things. Most things aren't for the love of the culture.

[Peach]

Like do did I Love what. What Nipsey did with a hundred dollar mixtape.

[Mall]

Absolutely incredible.

[Peach]

Great for the culture. It was a staple. It did prove a model at a time was amazing. Nipsey also made a lot of fucking money that I'm sure he was happy about.

[Mall]

Absolutely.

[Peach]

I'm sure he was like, you know what? Nah, nah, nah. Give that to hip hop.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Give that to hip hop.

[Mall]

Give that. You know what I'm saying? Give that to hip Hop.

[Peach]

Jay Z, don't give me $10,000 for one of my mixtapes. Cool. I don't need that.

[Mall]

Yeah, Yeah, I bet. Yeah. You wish the artists would say so. Yeah.

[Peach]

I think LaRussell wants to make money like the rest of us too.

[Mall]

Absolutely. Balance it, abs. As you should.

[Peach]

I've never had a real issue with Damaris until she typed this on our screen. The baby dropped a new album coming off a hot single.

[Mall]

Damaris, I'm sorry. I respecting your producer bubble. I'm respecting your producer bubble. Dababy dropped a new album coming off a hot single.

[Peach]

It blazing hip hop and R and B.

[Mall]

Now can I ask the question that scorching you and I probably want to know the answer to too. What was the name of the single?

[Peach]

Pop it, If I'm not mistaken, I like the baby. I just think the term hot single.

[Mall]

I love the baby, but I just didn't know the single that was hot.

[Peach]

I don't. I don't know either.

[Baby D]

Pop that thing.

[Mall]

Pop that thing.

[Peach]

Can we play it real quick? Just do a pause because I'm trying to see if I've heard it before.

[Baby D]

Yep.

[Peach]

All right. No, I have not heard that scorching new single. I do like it. And don't take this as any fact. This is just my opinion with my algorithms. I'm not saying it's a fact. I've started to notice. I feel like the baby's blackballed. I feel like he's kind of kicked out the algorithms. Like I should know that Dababy has a single out like I keep up with with his music. I wouldn't say I'm a die hard fan by any means, but I am a casual fan that would at least know you're putting out a single and pay attention to shit that I don't even care about.

[Baby D]

Well, do you follow Dababy on any social media sites?

[Peach]

Not on Instagram. That's why I said a lot of my shit with Twitter was all hip hop stuff and Instagram. Like, I'm not gonna follow. I wouldn't expect the baby to Follow me either.

[Baby D]

Like, I discover all new music on Tick Tock. So the reason why I said hot single is because that song is huge on Tick Tock. Same as the juvenile song that you guys hadn't heard about.

[Peach]

That juvenile record is Fire.

[Baby D]

Yeah, BBB is big on Tick Tock.

[Peach]

That record is.

[Baby D]

So that's where I discover almost all new music now. Because unless you curate your Instagram feed perfectly, you're not going to discover new music on Instagram.

[Peach]

I just feel like outside of the fake canceling of the baby and other shit that was going on, of course I knew he. He wouldn't be as in our face as before. I just feel like he's some form of blackballing has happened. Like, he's not in anything that, that

[Baby D]

I see he's been saying that he's blackballed for a while too. I also think it just might be that once you become unlikable to the masses, whether you earned it or not, once you become unlikable to the masses, nobody's going to report on you because no one cares.

[Peach]

Netanyahu is probably the most reported on person in the world. My bad. It was right there. I didn't know.

[Baby D]

I'm sorry.

[Peach]

I apologize. Hey, my bubble, my bubble, yo, what's wrong with you? But no, I like. I like that the baby's putting out music. Sometimes he'll end up being my YouTube algorithms when he's cooking food. But it's not. It's not rapping.

[Baby D]

He just had recently had a interview. I would have to look up who the gentleman was, but he had an interview. He's doubling down on his comments. Basically what he was saying is that his comments that he said about, like, you know, show your phone if you're not sucking dick in the parking lot or if you don't got hiv, aids, and things like that. He said that if, like, Kanye says stuff like that all the time. And like, you know, Kanye does what he does and gets out of it, he said. But because he's the baby and he's a household name, like, he can't get.

[Peach]

Wait, wait, wait.

[Mall]

I get it.

[Peach]

Wait, I want to make sure that you're paraphrasing this correctly.

[Baby D]

I am.

[Peach]

I can play. I don't want to.

[Baby D]

That's what he said.

[Peach]

I just want to shit on a baby right now. If he didn't say that, because that's the craziest statement I've ever.

[Baby D]

That's what he said.

[Mall]

See, the thing is this. And I'm glad the marriage just said what she said, because I didn't even know the baby said that. And Rory can attest to this. I fuck with Dababy. I been singing his praises for years. I think the problem. The problem is I don't think Dababy has shown much growth musically. And I think that's part of the problems. Cause you can say something and be quote, unquote, canceled and all of this, but like you say, Kanye could say something. And, you know, Kanye has said the craziest of the crazy things. But the difference is Kanye's talent level in the music is always going to bring people back to the table to listen to it and to support it, because it's just that good. The talent and the art is that good. So while Dababy may be blackballed in certain circles and, you know, people in his fan base, you know, might not, you know, be. They might be mad at him. But I'm a firm believer in the only people that cancel you are people that never truly supported you. Like, when people support you because they know you, they know your demeanor, they know the type of person you are, you could say things that's kind of like, all right, that was wild. But because your fans and your people know you and support you, they know that you just had a bad moment, but they're not gonna cancel you and never support you again. So I get what Dababy is saying. He may have a right to feel like he's being blackballed. Maybe he's not invited in the same rooms he was invited in before. He might not be invited back to the Grammys for a while. He might not be invited back to, you know, Jay Leno or wherever he was at before his mainstream.

[Baby D]

Mainstream.

[Mall]

But your fans, when it comes to streaming your music and coming to your show, they're not canceling you for what you said. Your fans are not canceling you for it.

[Baby D]

Is it possible he didn't build. He didn't have enough time building the cult fan base to avoid that now?

[Mall]

Yes. I don't think. No, he has.

[Baby D]

You have to build.

[Mall]

He doesn't have to build a cult

[Baby D]

fan base in order to do that. Otherwise you have a fan base full of casual fans. So then when you get canceled, they're not standing by you. Cause they were casual fans.

[Mall]

I like Dababy, but he hasn't put out the type of art that would attain or acquire a cult fan base. Like, that's. That you gotta. You get into a different level of art and different level of talent. When you talking about Cult fan base. Like, it's just a different. It takes a different thing to break through that. That ceiling of I now have a cult following.

[Baby D]

Well, no, it doesn't always have to be talent. Because, you know, we have spoken about artists who we don't think are that talented, that have a cult fan base that has gotten them very, very successful. Like, they'll be at every show of them just in there screaming demonic.

[Peach]

True.

[Mall]

Cause Playboy Carter could say exactly what the baby said. And he's. His streaming and everything. Yeah, it'd still be a number one album. It would still be the cult fan

[Baby D]

base, I think takes time and consistency. Time and consistency. And I don't think that Dababy had all of that before he did what he did.

[Mall]

Now, his trajectory before that, he was definitely trending up. Oh, for sure.

[Peach]

That's why I think both bubbles can be true. Cause both things can be true there that he didn't really evolve with his music, but that shit happened before he had the chance to even do so. And if you're not evolving with your music and you're also not, quote, unquote, likable, now, both things are fucked up. Because I think to your point, yes, you don't get canceled, but if you're also not evolving to create a core fan base and now you're unlikable, the casual fan, even if they don't care about what you said, you may not be in their algorithms anymore. Because baby was. Was very much a streaming artist.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Peach]

Big on Spotify, big on YouTube. I think he could have got there, like the Kirk album, I thought had substance on it. I think his. He was on his way to being one of the best visual artists with music videos of that era. And yeah, I do think that definitely affected it. I don't think it canceled the baby, but he was on his way to starting to create a fan base. And then when you become unlikable to mainstream, you're not in everyone's faces and they're moving on to other shit.

[Baby D]

In this same interview, he was talking about how I'm not changing for nobody. I'm not this. It's whatever. He was just kind of doubling down on it. I am who I am. Other niggas clean up. I'm not cleaning up. Da, da, da da. And the thing is like, I hear you, but then you can't complain about being just blackballed because it's not just the industry that are blackballing you. You kind of. You had a good two years where you did a lot of shit at the wrong moments that rubbed multiple people wrong. Like if you're. You're a rap artist, if you just attack the gay community, like, eventually you'll be fine, right? Every damn near every rapper has attacked the gay community at one point. But then you also have all this shit going on with you and your baby mot that's like, doesn't look that great. And then at the same time, you bring Tory on stage when he's in the hot seat, right? So now you don't piss the women off, you don't piss the gays off, you don't piss the women off. You.

[Mall]

You.

[Baby D]

Then you go and make a song when Megan's going through all her shit saying, oh, same night she said she got shot by Tory. I fucked Megan, thee stallion. It was just too much combined lame shit at once.

[Peach]

And that's. That's on the PR side. Also on the liability side, you have to remember, baby, whether he was right or wrong of people touching him at the club or whatever, it felt like for three months straight, he was whooping people ass. Like every event he was hosting, somebody was getting punched. Like, no, I'm not, I'm not doing this. Like, you're too much of a liability.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's.

[Peach]

That's whether he's protecting himself or not. I'm not here to debate that because I think that's unfair. I don't know how he felt at the time, if he felt like he was being threatened and needed to react. I'm not here to debate that.

[Mall]

That.

[Peach]

But when it. Every headline, every time you host something or every time after a festival, you or your security is knocking somebody the out. Yeah, you're not gonna be. You're not gonna be at the festivals like you were before.

[Baby D]

Yeah, it was just too much at once. Like, you can say everybody says dislikable every once in a while, but like, you just had too much at once when you were at like the height of your career. And then you continue to like double down on it. There's no like, I'm sorry, there's no. And I get that. But now you gotta deal with the consequences of those actions.

[Mall]

You can be the bad guy, but that art better be fucking incredible. Yeah, you can be the villain.

[Peach]

That's what I'm saying. If it doesn't evolve, you can't also be disliked.

[Mall]

Right. You can be the villain, but you gotta be putting out art that's undeniable. It gotta be at a certain level at all times. And that's just the Reality of it. Cause I feel what the baby's saying. You got dudes out here that's that, you know, got sexual assault on them, got all kind of shit on them, still doing shows, selling out arenas, selling albums, streaming well, so I understand what he's saying. There's a lot of people out here that have shit on them that's like, you know, would be deemed worse than what dababy did or said, right?

[Peach]

Hell yeah.

[Mall]

But again, I get it. I'm on the side of the baby. I understand what he's saying. It's like, because, okay, I said that. Yeah, I shouldn't have said that. That was a mistake. But I ain't got no essay on my jacket, though. And there's dudes with essays all over they jackets like a motherfucking high school classroom. And they just out here winning, ain't canceled nowhere, getting all the looks and, you know, lose a show, get a show back. You know what I'm saying?

[Peach]

But I think that kind of speaks to the point we were all making with the tornado shit that happened with the baby, because that's the irony of Cancel Culture. Everyone appears just like they care in the moment that much. But most people don't give a. Enough to even know about your essay cases or whatever. Like, I'm not putting anything on Kodak because I don't know a lot about that case. But even if you'd asked, like, the regular casual Kodak fan, they probably know nothing about that case. But the baby, if he would have just said, yo, make some noise. If you didn't suck your man's dick in the parking lot and that's all he did, we would not be having this conversation. Right? Yeah, it was the amount of things that kept piling on, doubling down. Kodak went to jail, and most people didn't even fucking know until somebody said, free Kodak. And he's a huge artist. Casual fans don't know that much about your personal life. Yeah, we're podcasters. We know way more than most people because this is our job. An obsession. But the regular person listening to Kodak, I guarantee you couldn't tell you much about that case.

[Baby D]

And every single time you do something new, they're gonna bring up the old shit, too. So now it's just like, it just keeps getting rehashed and rehashed. That's why I was. I think the baby makes even. Like, I know you guys say there's been no growth, but like, this song, the song was Sexy Red. Like, I think that those. I like Ass shaking music. You see what I'm saying? So I think he could do fine. But every time he gets another opportunity where we forgot for a little bit, he come back, put some hot out. He keeps doubling down on old situations. If you're gonna go to interviews, tell them stop asking you about that.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Especially if your answer is not gonna change. You're not gonna apologize. Tell them stop asking.

[Peach]

And again, I always felt like he was talking about somebody specific, not a community.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Peach]

With those comments.

[Mall]

So we're talking about somebody specific in that.

[Peach]

Oh, no, I think that happened that day. I think somebody was sucking dick in that parking lot.

[Mall]

Well, I mean, it's.

[Peach]

I think.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Peach]

I think whoever was supposed to get that message, heard that message. That was not about a community. That was about that. It made no sense. Go listen to that clip. It makes no sense to just randomly yell that out about. That was about somebody that was backstage. I have no. This is just my. My own tinfoil hacking spirit. Go listen to that clip. Nobody would just blurt that out. Yeah. Nobody would literally. Like, that's Tourette's. Nobody would literally just yell that out.

[Mall]

Yeah. How long?

[Peach]

That was about somebody backstage.

[Mall]

I feel like that.

[Baby D]

21, if I'm not mistaken.

[Mall]

21.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Peach]

I thought that was. Was. I thought it was before.

[Baby D]

COVID No, it wasn't before because it was after. It was after Meg got shot that.

[Peach]

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. When the world started to open up again. Yeah. And also a crazy time, not for the obvious with. With Meg, but Megan the baby were kind of like the. The male and female counterparts of each other with singles. Even some of the criticism. You guys have similar, like, flows all the time. Covid. Like, when y' all were about to go on your run. Run. It got weird. And then obviously, with Meg, a whole separate.

[Baby D]

And that was the same show he bought. He snuck Torio. He snuck Torio on stage. That. When Meg was there, that was. It was. You did too much unlikable at once, like.

[Peach]

Yeah, yeah, I hear that. And. But to compare yourself to Kanye in that. And I think Kanye has said and way more insane things than the baby has probably ever even thought. It's just like, oh, come on. What are we talking about? We had Kanye for 20 years before he really lost his mind.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

But when you got the college dropout and Jesus walks and flashing lights, you know, say what Kanye said. You gonna be at his show looking like Jay when Jay was like this and looking up like, it's just like, money this got joints we go, you can't cancel this, man. You can't cancel Kanye. Like, what are we talking about?

[Peach]

It's all nasty, but, yeah, 20 years of being loved. Yeah, you get.

[Mall]

You get a few passes versus 24 months. Yeah, yeah. It's a different.

[Peach]

Of great records, but the same flow. Like, we could. I could move on. I really. With the baby, I can move on. But, like, no, I really. I want to make that clear because I know that's something that I don't think the podcast world gives the baby of how talented he is and the support. I think he is great.

[Mall]

And.

[Peach]

And if he disappeared after that, it, like, really got canceled. I, like, my life wouldn't have altered. Like, you take Kanye's catalog out, a lot of our lives alter.

[Mall]

Not only that, though, and I think we spoke to this around that time, too. Like, the one thing that I think people aren't put taken into account when it comes to the baby is here's somebody who's. He has a lot of mental shit going on.

[Peach]

Like, killed somebody at Walmart.

[Mall]

Yeah. Like, somebody was trying to kill him, you know, rob him in front of his family. Had to kill him. His brother was killed, I believe, like, his father. Like, here is. There is clearly somebody here with a lot of ptsd, a lot of, like, issues who can probably turn into a very cold, very. I don't give a fuck what nobody thinks, you know, Like, I can understand how somebody could have that energy on them going through the things that, you know, Dababy has been through. And I think that, you know, because somebody has a talent and is an entertainer, we kind of just put that to the back burner. Like, nah, you supposed to be this. You know, you're supposed to get everything right and be this perfect person. All the. It's like this dude clearly has some mental things going on. Like, he's not. I don't know if the baby has ever gotten therapy for that, which is, you know, you kill somebody, you definitely need to go to therapy. Your brother gets killed. I can attest, you definitely need to go to therapy. Like, you know, sometimes I feel like, yes, Dababy says some things that he shouldn't have said. He's human. He made a mistake. But you also have to understand, here's somebody that we're talking about who is probably just not mentally as healthy as most people should be. I think we just need to, you know, factor that in, too. At the same time, I understand what he said. Hurt some people. I get that. But fact into. He's dealing with hurt. He's dealing with trauma. He's dealing with his own shit mentally. Like, we gotta add that into people's.

[Baby D]

But when you have been doubling down for five years, the mistake goes out the window. You say you don't regret what you said, and you will say it again. The mistake goes out the window.

[Mall]

Right, I understand, but do you understand that with. That energy is rooted in. No, that energy is rooted in. I don't give a fuck about what nobody gotta say because somebody tried to kill me or harm me and my family at one point. I don't give a fuck. It's me against the world. It's easy to develop that energy for sure, when you go through shit like that. That's all I'm saying. I'm not defending it. I'm just saying as a black man in America, looking at somebody like that and what he's been through and knowing people that have been through the type of shit the baby has been through, I get it. I understand how you get to a point where you're like, man, I don't give a fuck what nobody got to say. Nigga, don't nobody give a fuck about me. I know how easy it is to develop that energy is all I'm saying. So that's all I'm saying, baby. Sometimes you just gotta factor that in as well.

[Peach]

That perspective bleeds over into your career.

[Mall]

Everything.

[Peach]

Your brain is now wired that way.

[Mall]

You put a mic in my hand, right? It doesn't excuse. I'm not excusing it. I just understand it a little better than some people may understand it.

[Peach]

Did you. The Kirk album is my favorite. The Baby album. That intro pretty much speaks to everything that I, as a Baby fan, before Kirk came out, I didn't even know all the shit he went through. That intro on the Kirk album was one of my favorite records of 2019. Yeah, like. Yeah, no, he's been through some. Some shit that you have to at least factor in. I'm not saying the things he says are okay, but they're not literally harming people.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Peach]

At that point, we could stop what's going on.

[Mall]

But, like, I get it. In rap, everybody's gangster. You know, I kill you. I'll shoot you. How Steve always said, I wet you. Yeah, I get it. Not until you really do it. Do you really know and understand what that does to you mentally and, you know, how it changes you and affects you is all I'm saying. So, yeah, man, factor that in a little bit. When y' all talk about canceling People just kind of factor in what they've been through in their real lives is all I'm saying.

[Peach]

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[Peach]

You feel the same way about Cam? Because Cam keep just. He digging himself in a hole.

[Mall]

What Cam do now?

[Peach]

We talked about him yesterday.

[Baby D]

Oh, Newton, you.

[Mall]

We gota. You gotta be particular about Cam Ron, bro.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Peach]

Oh, yeah, you're right.

[Mall]

Cam. If.

[Peach]

If you would have said Cam, I would have thought Camron. Yeah, Cam Newton. I'm.

[Mall]

I'm sorry.

[Peach]

I feel like we just talked about him on yesterday's episode and more so

[Mall]

Baby D. He's leaning into it. He's leaning into that villain era.

[Peach]

So that's him.

[Baby D]

But this is.

[Peach]

This is not a villain.

[Mall]

But how long before Cam Newton cut the dreads off Go ball. How long before he get into that. You know that zone where it's all the way. I'm the villain now?

[Baby D]

I don't know.

[Peach]

Nah. I think the dreads through the hat is his joker aesthetic.

[Mall]

Nah, that's the right. Nah, that's the right. That's the righteous villain.

[Baby D]

No, that shit is more. I would hate him less if he had. If he's bald.

[Mall]

That's what. That's the righteous villain. He's the righteous villain right now. But he's trending.

[Peach]

He's the righteous villain right now.

[Mall]

He's trending.

[Peach]

Cam Newton is a righteous.

[Mall]

Look at all of our favorite movies. The villain was always bald. Like, you know what I'm saying?

[Peach]

Like, we got it.

[Mall]

He's trending to cutting it all off is what I'm saying. He's saying things where it's like, yeah, he about to go all the way. He about to just go all the way. Like, let me be the. Let me be the Internet's bad guy. Let me be the guy that everybody hates. And they're like, yo, this guy's an idiot. He's an asshole. He. He doesn't like women. He doesn't respect women. He's misogynistic. I see Cam Newton going all the

[Baby D]

way, but what we were disagreeing about is you were like. I said, you stand up for people a lot. In our previous episode, we said, you stand up for people and say, he doesn't really think that. He's just, like, being an entertainer. And I'll be telling you two things can be true. He can be leaning into it to be entertaining, but he also believes this.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Because he don't just pull them talking points out the side of his ass. Like, he. You can tell that he stands on that. He believes it.

[Peach]

He's had those conversations a few times off mic. Yeah, I don't think he's just doing that.

[Mall]

What was his latest one?

[Baby D]

So right now he's currently going viral because he said that women lose. He was having a conversation with a woman who.

[Mall]

All right, can we stop before you say what he said? That's my issue. Why do women keep sitting down with this nigga? Like, y', all, like, abuse. Women love abuse. So she was.

[Baby D]

The reason why I took that deep breath is because she was over there agreeing with what the fuck he was saying. So it's just like, oh, shit.

[Mall]

I didn't know that. Okay, probably seat.

[Baby D]

She asked him. She was like, do you think women, like, lose. Well, the number.

[Peach]

The thing that women also like hating women.

[Baby D]

She's getting. Yeah, she's getting killed because she was saying. She was like, you know, I could never be a baby mother. That's why I, like, got married before I had a kid, because I could never be a baby mother. And they're like. They in the comments, tearing her up. Like, girl, I got married before. I had this baby, too. Then I got divorced. Now suddenly I'm a baby mother. Like, it's like that happens all the time. And she asked him, do you think women lose Value every time they have a kid. And he was like. Yeah, he was like, you lose the more kids you have. Like, you lose value. And he has nine with three different women.

[Mall]

So does he feel men lose value after they have kids or. No, of course not. He just feels women lose value after they give birth. I don't know. Beyonce got three kids. She. She doing all right. B. Seems to be doing all right.

[Baby D]

I think the main thing was if you have kids with. If you're single now and you have children.

[Mall]

Okay. If you're single, if you're a single mom, you lose value. Yeah, he about to cut the dress, dog. Shed all that. Righteous.

[Peach]

Rest in peace to the gentleman who was the guy that used to just.

[Baby D]

Kevin Samuels.

[Peach]

Yeah, My frat brother, Cam.

[Mall]

Oh, you. Oh, excuse me.

[Baby D]

Oh, my God.

[Mall]

Respect. Let me respect.

[Peach]

Respect Bubba Paul Samuels. My bad.

[Mall]

My bad. Respect. Respect the bubbles. You women, the things y' all said and did online when Kevin Samuels died, just know that I ain't forget the tweets, is all I'm saying.

[Peach]

Oh, they were not. They were happy that he passed away.

[Mall]

What?

[Peach]

Yeah, that was a little.

[Mall]

That was crazy.

[Peach]

And someone that. That did disagree with a lot of things Kevin Samuel said. I didn't think he deserved to die.

[Mall]

Yo. I just. I remember is all I'm saying. I saw some tweets from some people, and I was like, yo, y' all are crazy.

[Baby D]

Okay? I didn't say anything. When Kevin say. I didn't. I don't remember.

[Mall]

Yeah, but you turned your music up in the crib a little loud and had a couple. Couple glasses of wine.

[Baby D]

I'm never happy that anyone dies. Right?

[Peach]

Especially.

[Baby D]

What I will say is there has. If you. There's a lot of people that sometimes people feel like, yo, if we got them, get these niggas off this earth. Not that somebody deserves to die, but the Same way how Dr. Umar said, some of you got to be put down. Like, some of you can't go. If we're gonna fix the issues we have in our black community, some of you need to be put down. Right? I'm sure some people felt like that. Some people felt like men who have a reputation for hating women or being disrespectful to women. If somebody got to live. Natural selection. Some people gotta die. But I can't.

[Mall]

I can't jack that, because y' all be out here supporting dudes that don't like women, that have done wow to women, and y' all still show up and support these.

[Baby D]

But I think that I had. When people say that, when they say y' all do this, but do this. I think the women that are supporting abusers and the people who are wishing death on Kevin Samuels, I think those are two totally different types of women or two totally different audiences. Me personally, I feel like that happens all the time. They're like, I saw y' all doing this.

[Mall]

Some of them be at the same time.

[Baby D]

Y' all is not all the same people. It's different types of people.

[Mall]

Yeah, but some of them be at the same show. Some of the. Yeah, same show, same night. They be watching. They'll watch Kevin Samuels and get mad and then go to the show of

[Peach]

the dude that somebody is a way shittier person than the name the dude that.

[Mall]

I'm not gonna say no names, but y' all know I'm just saying we

[Peach]

see it open Apple music.

[Mall]

We see it is all I'm saying. So it's like, all right, which one is it? Because I don't think. I don't think. I'm not saying. I don't think Kevin Samuels has ever done anything disrespectful to women outside of being maybe brutally honest. Maybe say like, listen, you need to. You're a single mom, you're overweight, which means you probably don't take care of yourself. And you want a man that has all of these things. You need to be more realistic. I don't think that that's that crazy.

[Peach]

I'm trying to say something to not be mean to Cam Newton. I see he's going down that path. And to your point of people that have the mentality Kevin Samuels, his clips about on men never went viral.

[Baby D]

No.

[Peach]

He was pretty brutal to men as well. He kept an even playing field at some point. I didn't agree with everything he said, but he articulated every point. Whether you like this point or not. Not cool. At least he could articulate it. Cam sometimes just be saying like, I think. And I'm not comparing Cam to like a fresh and fit or anything, but even if I disagree with Kevin Samuels, a Kevin Samuels is way more important than a freshen fit. Or sometimes where Cam lands in the middle when we're talking about these red pillish men like podcasts and. And content. Content. Kevin Samuels was. Was not that bad compared to where these things have. Have moved. At least he sat there and articulated why he felt that way.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Peach]

Instead of just saying to say it. It was mean. And I disagreed a lot of time. Like, yo, you. You Are bugging, like. But a lot of times it was like, are you a victim or a volunteer? Stop calling in this show to get abused.

[Baby D]

Yeah, that's crazy. To a show to have a man ra you until you was wrong with you. Yeah.

[Peach]

Like, I.

[Baby D]

You need to be like, what are you doing?

[Mall]

I can ask you a question. What's the difference between Kevin Samuels and Pop the Balloon?

[Baby D]

There's a big difference between.

[Mall]

What's the difference.

[Baby D]

Pop the Balloon is a dating game. It's a game. A game show. A game.

[Peach]

Kevin Samuels was more intelligent.

[Mall]

Kevin Samuels wasn't trying to date these women. So he's. He's. He was wrong for what he was saying.

[Baby D]

Well, everybody on Pop the Balloon doesn't say the same exact thing. They're all different people.

[Mall]

I can pull up episodes of Pop the Balloon where a woman is standing right there, and they're like, why you popped your balloon, yo. Listen, yo, I don't like her feet. I don't like her hair. This wig. I don't like. She's overweight. Same. Breaking them down. It's the same thing. I'm breaking this woman down in front of a camera. I'm telling you what I see physically, and I'm like, I don't like that. I don't think that that's. I don't. I'm not into that. What was the difference in what Kevin. Kevin Samuels was doing?

[Baby D]

I don't know.

[Mall]

He was. At least. At least he was more articulate. At least he gave kind of, like, leaned more towards, you know, I guess numbers and stats when it came to single women with kids and things like that. Like, at least he used more of that Pop the Balloon. They just be up there like, yo, I don't like your fit, yo. You know what I'm saying? Like, all right, you look crazy. Like, that's. This woman is a nurse, no kids. Like, you know what I'm saying? It's like, so my thing is, what's the difference between Kevin Samuels and Pop the Balloon?

[Baby D]

Kevin Samuels had a bigger platform. When you have a big platform.

[Mall]

So y' all gonna penalize me. Cause I done built my shit. I'm. I'm trending up. So now y' all mad. Now when God called me home, you is red, white, zipping Dale. Y' all laughing, tweeting like, God don't play about, like, what? What?

[Peach]

I. I guess because I was an anti Kevin Samuels. I. I support Diggs in all Kappas, But I still was not, like, the Biggest fan of his. But as time went, where things are going, it's similar to now where I'm like, John McCain would have been a pretty good president. Now I look where the fuck we at now. Like, no, yo, Kevin Samuels was not as bad as I thought he was, man. That guy was. He was kind of on point.

[Baby D]

It's gotten worse.

[Peach]

This went. We should have been so lucky to have Kevin, Sam.

[Baby D]

It's gotten so much worse.

[Peach]

Holy. You know what? I would love if we could bring John McCain back from the dead. Oh, my. To run the Republican Party.

[Mall]

Just saying. Just saying.

[Peach]

Kevin Samuels should be running all of red pill content right now. Because that is so off the rails. I. I thought. And Cam is teetering. I don't know if he's gonna go full. But he's there. And I know he believes what he believes. Is he gonna go extra to start getting crazy for content purposes? Because he's also not out of his mind. And what he's. He's saying here, because I also feel it. I know society views single women with a child and a single man with a child drastically different. I totally understand that. But I think my value drops as far as my. Much as what I can offer as far as time to a relationship. If I have a child, I think my value lowers as a man with a child. So I don't think he's crazy in what he's saying. But when you have nine kids with three different baby mothers, maybe sometimes you should just shut up when certain topics come up.

[Mall]

Has Kevin Samuels ever called a woman out of her name?

[Baby D]

I don't. I don't know. I'm not. I haven't studied yet.

[Peach]

No, he just always did it in a very sassy.

[Baby D]

Like, a lot of people thought Kevin Samuels was gay because it wasn't like you giving it advice to a woman. It was like you enjoy. Like you're enjoying, like breaking this woman down. I think that was what he got a lot of black backlash.

[Mall]

I could see that.

[Peach]

Because I feel like that, like, when

[Baby D]

they found out he died with, like a thick Latina on top of him, everybody was like, damn, I thought he was gay.

[Peach]

You gotta go out.

[Mall]

Yeah, but I'm just. I'm just more so. My bad. I'm just trying to remember if I've ever seen him get into it with a woman and be like, get off the phone.

[Peach]

Call her name. I'm not sure.

[Mall]

I don't know if I've ever even seen that.

[Peach]

But sometimes. Sometimes not. Cursing doesn't Mean. You're not being meaner. You're not like sometimes saying, bitch, get off the phone is nicer than that's

[Mall]

how you receive it.

[Peach]

Someone's holding.

[Mall]

No, no, no. That's how you receiving the honesty. That's how you receiving the honesty. That's how you receiving it. I'm not being disrespectful because I'm being, I guess, brutally honest. That doesn't mean I'm being disrespectful.

[Baby D]

We've had a conversation about the word brutally because brutally has a meaning. Like you can be honest without being brutally honest. And I feel like once you get to. Once you have a platform and you know that this is garnering you attention to your platform, that brutally becomes entertainment. So even though you may be talking to a human person, you're purposely going out of your way to be brutally honest, which mean for entertainment. And that is where lines can get crossed.

[Mall]

Would you want your therapist to be brutally honest with you?

[Baby D]

Not brutally, no. I'm not paying you to be brutal to me. You can be honest and you can get your point across without intentionally being mean.

[Peach]

Okay, but if I advertise my, my therapy company, right, I'm going to be, you know, when you show up, I'm telling you, you will get brutal honesty. You may not want to hear this. I'm going to be truthful in my perspective of how society runs and who you are in this society and where your value level is at. I feel I'm an expert at this. I have a degree. It's called brutally honest therapy dot com. You know what you signing up for? Don't come and lay on my couch and be mad that I was brutally honest to you.

[Baby D]

No, for sure. But also. So I think the people who would sign up are stupid, right? Just like I think some people who go and have. Try to have certain conversations with Cam Newton are stupid, right? Or expect. I won't say have certain conversations with him, but have conversations with him and expect something out of him that they're not going to get. I think there's a level of stupidity in that that you're signing up for. You can't be mad at. Same thing with the people that listen to him and get mad at the things he says. But also at the same time, that doesn't make you innocent of what you're doing just because somebody signed up for it like you still have. Once you have a platform that large and you that there are young men looking up to you, what you say there's not Everybody is smart enough to realize that you're stupid. So what you say has an effect. So when you're trying to. We're in an era of trying to raise men who respect women and value women. And you know that there are little boys who look up to you from football to the. That you say you have to be held accountable for the. That you're pushing.

[Peach]

But. But to me, that's the difference between Kevin Samuels and. I don't want to put. I don't want to put Cam in this. I think, I don't think Kevin Samuel's goal was ever to get young men to hate women. Where I do think people like the fresh and fit guys. That's. That's their, their insecure goal is to do so with 22 year old prostitutes in Miami as their example. As that's. If that's every woman in America. I don't think Kevin Samuel's goal ever was to do that. I think it was to be realistic with who you are as a person. Unless you want to change and become better, this is where you at in life. In my opinion. Opinion. And you could disagree. He's. Kevin Samuels was a fucking God. His opinion wasn't fact, but people called in for his opinion, so he gave it. Which I think is fair. I don't. I never sat there and thought like the feeble minded, impressionable young men are going to look at this and go, I should hate women. I don't think that. I think that with a lot of this other red pill bullshit. But I don't think that was Kevin.

[Baby D]

Kevin, he was just.

[Peach]

He was just kind of a fucking mean, sassy bitch.

[Baby D]

Kevin Samuels had a lot. Whether it was his intention or not, he definitely had a. He was red pill bro. And he had looked.

[Peach]

He's the John McCain of where now you get to Maga. Like that's what I'm saying. I don't think he was as insane as red pill is now.

[Baby D]

Oh, no, no.

[Peach]

He was red pill 100. But yeah, not to the degree of what it is. Like I have these views for my party, but they're off the rails now.

[Mall]

I figured out what I'm gonna do. Well, damn, I got my nephew this weekend.

[Peach]

But this coming red pillow.

[Mall]

No, no, this coming week. No, I'm gonna go back through. I'm gonna go back through the Kevin Samuels files, man. I'm gonna just go back to it. I'm gonna just binge Kevin Samuels files and just kind of like just.

[Baby D]

There's so many Better things you could do with your brain in your time.

[Mall]

No, no, because I, I, I, it's, it's something specific right now that I'm thinking about that I'm looking for and what he was doing, and I just want to see if it's there. That's all. Yeah, because I think I. Again, I think. I think people just, you know, it became a cool thing to just kind of, like, hate him and, you know, clap when he died and things like that. Like, it was stupid, but I'm just looking for something in particular, and I just want to see if it.

[Baby D]

But there will always be. And this is, this is the thing. Like, there will always be someone happy that someone died. Everybody has ops. Everybody has haters, but the.

[Mall]

Everybody has, like, loud from us.

[Baby D]

Very well. That's because he was a, he was a public figure. Respectfully, it's gonna be that clap when you die. There's gonna be niggas that clap when I die. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it, it. That happens when you're a public figure and you enter into this arena and sometimes you're gonna say shit that people disagree with. It happens.

[Peach]

I don't know if I've ever clapped when someone died, and if I said that, I was lying. I don't know if I've ever clapped when someone died.

[Baby D]

Not literal clapping or, like, been like, oh, good.

[Peach]

I think Dick Cheney was the biggest piece of shit on earth. I wasn't, like, happy that day. Day, but I wasn't sad. Like, I, like, nothing changed.

[Baby D]

Shut up, Peach.

[Peach]

I don't even hear what Peach.

[Baby D]

He said Bin Laden. Just ignore him. Just. That's.

[Mall]

Shut the up. Like, just shut up.

[Peach]

I never met the man. But, no, being happy when someone dies, to me, is, Is kind of nuts. I. But again, like, when Dick Cheney died and everyone on Twitter was kind like, all right, so what? I agreed with what they were saying. But to be happy just because someone said some mean shit on the Internet, that's a little crazy to me. But I don't know.

[Baby D]

But, yeah, I don't know. I, I do feel like. And this is not just for men. This is for, for women, too. I feel like if you have a platform, you're gonna make money off of this platform, because that's what we're all trying to do. And you're saying things that, you know are gonna get pushed and they're extravagant and that people are gonna comment on them. They're gonna end up all these places. You do have a responsibility when you look and be like, what am I really pushing to these people? What am I really pushing to these people? With our platform, too? But we push silly, funny. We don't really push harmful ideologies that, like, can kick in the back people in our community. You know what I'm saying? It's just. It's. It's just weird. It's just like, everything. At what point do you lay down at bed at night and be like, damn, yo, what I'm doing ain't really okay.

[Peach]

Like, yeah, if you're. If you're harmed off Cole Kendrick and Drake opinions, you deserve to be harmed.

[Baby D]

Harmed.

[Peach]

Yeah, that's your fault. That's not what I like. Harms you, then that's. That. That's your journey, people.

[Baby D]

You shouldn't have a. You shouldn't have a fish tank or drink Pepsi. I don't really feel like that's really like. Like we not really changing the game here.

[Mall]

I thought I was giving great advice. See, I thought I was giving great advice, and now they're going to clap when I die because I said, you shouldn't be drinking Pepsi.

[Peach]

See, as. As Kevin Samuels being my fraternity brother, I would have loved to hear his opinion on that frat hazing beef video that's been going viral. I would have loved to hear his sassy.

[Mall]

Yeah, it looked like it stinked down there. Wherever they was at, yo. It looked like it was.

[Peach]

Oh, I mean, if. If Cap Alpha Psi was. Was an organization that hazed, I'm sure every basement would smell the exact same in all 50 states.

[Baby D]

I know that. Funky.

[Mall]

Oh, a room full of wet, not wet wipes.

[Peach]

That was the funniest thing that as a white, that was fine. Wet whites is hilarious.

[Baby D]

Call me racist all the time.

[Peach]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Mall]

Whites is hilarious, though.

[Peach]

All right, well, then, B, come back in a room full of wet whites is hilarious.

[Mall]

That's hilarious. Wet whites. I know it smell like a Petco bathroom in this, yo.

[Peach]

For sure.

[Baby D]

Yeah, that's. That's rough. They said they banned till 2029. Who's banned, like, their chapter? Yeah, that's all right.

[Mall]

They'll be back. Give them time to kind of rebrand.

[Peach]

I. I'll just say, because I. Of course I saw everyone. The outrage that was going on in here, the stories I've heard, allegedly, about pledging, like, heard, like, folk tales, campfire stories. All he was doing was standing there in a base basement being blindfolded.

[Baby D]

They were wet, though.

[Mall]

What? Oatmeal.

[Baby D]

Something was like, I don't think it was. Oh, I think Peach made that up. But they were wet. They were wet.

[Mall]

They rubbed oatmeal all over each other, I think.

[Peach]

So y'. All. Y' all never just been. Y' all never been soaking in a basement before?

[Mall]

Nah, nah, never. Never. I'll answer your question. I've never been soaking in the basement.

[Peach]

You ever a basement get a little hot?

[Mall]

Not that hot. Like, we wasn't both glistening like that. Nah, ain't never been that hot. And we gonna open a window or something. This motherfucker.

[Peach]

I did see that. The other side of the white fraternity world defending some of the shit that if we did allow hazing, there'd be more men out here. But, hey, not a debate I would have on a podcast.

[Mall]

Not for me, B.

[Peach]

But no, that. That video was. Was hilarious. Because at that point, like, when do you take your blindfold off if. If. If you are allegedly pledging a fraternity? I feel like, you know, the voices of the two people that are. Are leading the charge of the alleged Hayes. You would hear a cop's voice and be like, yo, what.

[Mall]

I want to know. Is there a way we could find this out? How many single. How many only childs are in the fraternity?

[Baby D]

Only children.

[Mall]

Yeah, only children. I would like to know that.

[Peach]

I. All my line brothers have siblings out of all of New Jersey, New York, all my travels. I. I don't know if I know one other noob that's the only child.

[Baby D]

How many of them had imaginary friends when they was growing up?

[Peach]

It's weird that y' all view that shit that way, though.

[Mall]

We want to get into what's. I have never understood pledging a fraternity. Never understood it.

[Peach]

Which is. Which is fine. I'm never one of those people that. That when people say that, that I get, like, offended. I. I totally get it. I just think you may have a skewed perception.

[Mall]

I do.

[Peach]

Of the. Of the entire thing, because. No, I don't. I can only speak for the chapters that I've been around. I've never met somebody that, like, was looking for frustration friends, like, every single time. Even with my line brothers, like, my crew of friends, their crew of friends, like, everyone just became friends. We just. The seven of us just happened to do that that semester. Like, nobody was looking for friends.

[Mall]

I get it. At the same time, I don't, but I get it.

[Peach]

I mean, some people enjoy being around, like, minded individuals with, you know, same, same.

[Mall]

I enjoy being around, like, minded individuals saying, but when you tell me, I. All y', all, tonight at 9pm Gotta go in this bas and put oatmeal on you. I'm not doing that.

[Peach]

Sounds like a great comic.

[Mall]

I'm not jacking that. I'm like, you know what? I'm just not down.

[Baby D]

And you know that they gotta like, eventually they end up, like, paying, like, they're paying dudes to be like, like

[Peach]

pledges, so I can't speak to that. I'm just talking about being in a fraternity. I can't speak to hazing or pledging, but I. Yeah, it's just not. I can see how that would look. That would look wild. Because if I was a cop, I wouldn't even think fraternity. Even if I was on a campus. I would be like, oh, this is Epstein's coat down here right now.

[Baby D]

A got no shirt on.

[Peach]

How scared you would have to be

[Mall]

like, yo, why they ain't got no shirts on? Like, what part of like, what am I proving, cuz? I'm down here with my homies and we all y. Y ain't wearing no shirts. All right. No shirts tonight. What is that?

[Peach]

Well, well, let me ask. Ask both of you said titty twister.

[Mall]

I got a pee nipple twister.

[Peach]

That's hilarious. Do you guys have allegedly. Do you have friends that have. Have joined. Joined a gang?

[Baby D]

I do, allegedly.

[Mall]

Wait, I got a lot of friends.

[Peach]

Okay, so were they only children? Were they. Were they a lot of them where they jumped in?

[Baby D]

Yeah, they were looking. They were missing something. They were looking for.

[Mall]

Missing a chromosome, maybe. Yes, you know, they was missing something.

[Peach]

But don't do. Don't do that. Okay. Yeah, no, no, I. No, I understand. Forget, like, blood gangs in general have been around since the dawn of time based off that exact principle. Yeah, but you don't think that could be something in. With a college student or as well?

[Mall]

Yeah, no, for sure.

[Peach]

Like, yeah, yeah. Some. Something missing doesn't necessarily mean something's wrong or you're in search of validation or friends or anything. Yeah, some. I mean, it's like a lifelong community that you can be around forever is. Is an important thing to people.

[Mall]

I'm just saying, like, I didn't go to college, and I got a lot of homies that's like, went to college. Part of fraternities. Yeah, I'm just. Was never. I'm not. I'm not doing that.

[Peach]

I think if. I think if it defines your entire life, then can I can understand more of what you guys are saying, which I do know some Kappas that. Yes, that is their. Their entire identity has become that from when they were 19 to now when they're in their 40s. Yes. I think those people were searching for what you guys are talking about. Yeah, but I don't think that's the, the high majority case with everything.

[Baby D]

What were you searching for?

[Peach]

No, I don't think it was like a specific thing I was searching for or in. Or in any regards having to do with. With of being an only child. Because even my line brother Danny was my best friend at the time. He was already my best friend, so it wasn't like I was gonna meet someone there. But all the principles that Kappa stood for in the community and getting to know some of the older brothers in Kappa and what they had going on in their lives and the network that you had for the rest of your life, because it's divine. Nine is not like the white frats of this basement shit. I don't want to speak for them, but I guarantee once they graduate, that'll be the last time they even think about the. The first. Like that's not. It's not a lifelong thing. There's alumni chapters. There's so much with Kappa for the rest of your life in the music industry. The amount of people I've even met because of Kappa, that was an important thing to have a community of like minded people.

[Baby D]

Yeah, but I feel like you, you figure all of that, the community of the like minded people is like, that's like straight out the handbook. Like he wrote, he read that. I feel like you find all of that.

[Peach]

It's also a non hazing or organization.

[Baby D]

I feel like you find all of that out once you start pledging.

[Peach]

I'm talking. No, see, because that's not true. Because it's not. Again, I'm not speaking for white frats. You don't just show up that day and then you're in a basement with a blindfold. No, it's a. It's a long process to even be considered for sure. To become a. A member, you have to meet, you have to get three recommendations, a written letter from members already. That takes time. The amount of times I've turned it down for people like I don't even know you. You got to talk to me for six months just so I could get to know. To see if you'd be a viable candidate. Not on some hazing. Like, I just want to get to know this person.

[Baby D]

It is a very long process. What I'm saying is I'd love to

[Peach]

get jumped in for 30 seconds and be damo.

[Baby D]

It's a very Long process. What I'm saying is, before all of that, what. What was the first thing that clicked in your head to say? I want to go like, oh, this is.

[Peach]

This is. This is a lifetime thing. And on top of that, my best friend's. My best friend in high school, his mother was a Delta, so she was the first person that was like, you should look into that. I even meet the Greeks looked at the Q's first just because she was a Delta and they had more of an alliance. But Kappa was. Was way more than me. I love Q's, but Kappa was. Was more for me.

[Baby D]

Oh, my God. If you were a Q, I would not be on the spot. I couldn't talk.

[Peach]

No, I don't do. I love. I love the Q's, man.

[Baby D]

I do, too, but you're so close

[Peach]

with the Q's and Jers.

[Baby D]

I love if you're.

[Peach]

If you were walking around swirling your

[Baby D]

tongue around me would have never been friends. Do it. Try it. Oh, your cow.

[Peach]

I wouldn't disrespect the Q's like that, but, yeah, it's a. It's a full journey in finding that. Not just one day. It's like, yo, I want to do this. And one thing clicks. Like, it takes a while.

[Mall]

I'm respecting the fraternity bubble.

[Baby D]

Yeah. So I'm all over there. Quiet.

[Peach]

There's a lot. But like anything else with. With membership of that amount of people for that long, of course, there's in everything.

[Mall]

Oh, in life.

[Peach]

Yeah. It's the same as any joining any other organization. The same people do intramural girls in college. Why you joining?

[Baby D]

I don't know.

[Peach]

Get to know the people that are here. That's how it starts. It's freshman orientation. It's. It's all part of that college process.

[Mall]

Got it.

[Peach]

So.

[Mall]

Yeah. All right. Well, another week. The gang is here. So I guess we're gonna get started on Patreon so we can have some more crazy conversations. Got some things I want to talk about. Coming off of Valentine's Day with the ladies.

[Baby D]

The secrets. The secrets talk about on Netflix.

[Mall]

Got some I want to talk to Zip about.

[Peach]

I've been at the edge of my seat since Monday for the conversation.

[Mall]

Listen, G Gang Gang is here.

[Peach]

Mac, you had already told me you had a list of questions for.

[Mall]

Nah, I just want to talk to

[Peach]

the lady as well.

[Mall]

Just coming out of Valentine's Day, I want to get everybody's post Valentine's energy is all I'm saying. Right. I want to see what Zip did for Valentine's Day. See if any woman took care of him for Valentine's Day.

[Peach]

I would hope so.

[Mall]

Yeah, hopefully a woman took care of Zip and brought him nothing but chocolate and flowers.

[Baby D]

Sit back there laughing. So I don't think he got shit.

[Mall]

Nah, nah, don't do that to Zip. Zip got some flowers on Valentine's Day. We're not doing doing that. All right, well, we'll talk to y' all soon. Be safe, be blessed. I'm that. He's just Ginger. Peace.

[Baby D]

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