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Rory (2:53)

No Warrior Ma.

Mal (2:59)

No conductor.

Rory (3:04)

No warrior.

Mal (3:11)

Ma.

Rory (3:15)

Warrior's mom.

Mal (3:29)

Welcome back to the snowy streets of New York City. Even if you're not there, that's where we are. And I don't know how we made it here today. Our. Our good friend Maul was. Was stuck in the South. He went went down south for his nephew's 10th birthday and naturally got caught there.

Rory (3:46)

Of course. Unavoidable

Mal (3:51)

8am Flight. No, we're gonna talk about Maul behind his back when he's not here. And I know Maul's not gonna watch this episode, so I can say whatever I want.

Rory (3:58)

Exactly. Exactly.

Mal (4:00)

Maul told us he had an 8am flight. And then all of a sudden hit Maul like, yo, made it back. We got a game plan for tomorrow? Nah, man, I'm still still in the South. And then Damaris went even further south and made it back somehow.

Rory (4:12)

He wasn't even that far south.

Mal (4:13)

He technically in the dmv if we're being real. I didn't want to say his location, but yes, the DMV is. Is. Is he said big enough before we left. Yeah.

Rory (4:21)

You in Virginia? I was all the way down in Savannah, Georgia at a 10am flight. I made it back on time.

Mal (4:29)

But that's why I love Mo because he's like, wait, it's bad out there. I'm like dog, they shut the city down. It's only emergency. Like I'll rent a car. I said mall only emergency vehicles.

Rory (4:37)

He said he'd rent a car.

Mal (4:38)

Yeah, to drive. Listen, I ma did want to put in the effort to be here. I don't want to. I. I want to make fun of him, but I don't want to make it sound like Maul did not valent effort to be here today. And if anyone is in the tri state, you know how crazy it is right now. This is one of the craziest blizzards we've had in quite some time. But him saying after not making the 8am flight cuz the snow didn't start till 1, he would have been totally fine.

Rory (5:01)

Perfectly fine. It's a 45 minute flight.

Mal (5:02)

He could have taken a noon flight and would have been fine. But to say n. I'LL just go rent a car. I was like, with a plow in front of it. He was like, nah. People say it's not even that crazy. I said, I know because it just started. It's a two day storm, bro.

Rory (5:20)

I swear. See more Thursday. I don't know if you're gonna make it for our Wednesday episode.

Mal (5:23)

No dead ass.

Rory (5:24)

I don't.

Mal (5:24)

With the amount of flights that were changed, my mom was supposed to fly to Florida. Her keeps getting canceled. She was supposed to leave Monday, got changed to Tuesday. Now it's Wednesday. It'll probably be Thursday. Like everyone's flights got messed up. Yeah. We may not see mall till next Monday.

Rory (5:39)

Yeah.

Mal (5:39)

To be quite honest, I was worried.

Rory (5:41)

I really was worried. But Saturday I was like, I was looking at flight like I'm just going to come in late. Everybody had the same idea. Everybody took all the flights out.

Mal (5:48)

Well, also in mall's defense too, until you called me and said, hey, I'm trying to change my flight, I wasn't even aware of the severity of the storm until that point. Like this one did kind of creep up. Like the last one. They told us like a month in advance. We were waiting for that. Yeah, this, I didn't know this was going to be the way it was.

Rory (6:03)

Yeah. No, I had to call you because Delta hit me was like, oh, you want to change your flight? Like, we not going to charge you. I'm like, what? They like snow. I'm like, snow. I go, look at the weather. When the fuck was y' all gonna tell us this was coming? It definitely gives. Like mean girls. You know when she was like, I'm 99% sure that it's always already raining. Yeah. Like that's what the fuck is going on.

Mal (6:20)

Yeah. I will say to the, the city, the city workers of Jersey City, I will testify in court, if you guys ever get caught up that you guys are honest workers. Because I did try to bribe a plow guy this morning. I was like, you just, you just get my driveway real quick. Yo, $50. Just take. I can't do that because then the whole block, I'm gonna have to do that. And I have to. He, he had so much integrity. I was like, what about 75?

Rory (6:45)

I would have got 75 from the whole block. Like, oh, he not thinking.

Mal (6:48)

But they have a scale and it's, you know, it's a city. So there's so many blocks. If he starts backing up and like pushing everyone's snow because I saw someone else trying to bribe him. So I ran Outside and tried to bribe him. But that's an honest worker right there. That's an honest civil servant of New Jersey.

Rory (7:03)

I'd have took the money.

Mal (7:05)

But you were in Atlanta. What. What you do when you were out there?

Rory (7:08)

I had some family friends and some family that I. I needed to see. Like, just people, you know, Sometimes it's not my job to tell their business on here, but people go through things, so sometimes you got to go do what you got to do. Go visit some people.

Mal (7:21)

Fair enough. You can do anything fun. How far. How far is Savannah from Atlanta? What's funny is I have an uncle and cousin in Savannah, and I've never been there before. They moved from Chicago to Savannah.

Rory (7:33)

I don't know why.

Mal (7:35)

I mean, what is there? How far is it?

Rory (7:36)

It's not that far, but I went bowling, and I was, like, popping mad, right? So I'm like, telling everybody. I'm like, yo, like, I'm bad at bowling. I'm like, the only people who are good at bowling are people who go on dates. Like, you're only. You're either a professional bowler or you go on dates a lot. So you bow. Why I go in there and bowl a perfect score.

Mal (7:55)

Yeah. Niggas look at me like, how many. How many. How many bodies is. Is bowling a perfect score? That's a lot of. Like, I would. I would question a bit, too.

Rory (8:04)

Like, I was like, nah, y'.

Mal (8:06)

All.

Rory (8:06)

Y' all chill like it's beginner's luck.

Mal (8:11)

And I came in here and said that I thought professional bowlers were the worst athletes ever because they don't get a perfect score. And you guys tried to tell me how hard it is to get a perfect score, bro. I think you just rolled out there.

Rory (8:20)

And I got all strikes except for two. I had two spares. That was it. Two spares. I got almost all strikes and two spares.

Mal (8:30)

I wish I would have taken a

Rory (8:30)

picture of the screen, bro. I should call my sister, huh? No. And I tore up toe up, though. I was drunk off.

Mal (8:38)

Terrible body that got. That gets eight strikes and two spares. Is taking a photo. Nah, I'm taking a video, bro.

Rory (8:45)

I will. I will call right now. I promise you, you did not pull

Mal (8:50)

a perfect score, okay? There's no way.

Rory (8:52)

All right? Yeah. I don't know why I don't believe me. I'm dead ass.

Mal (8:55)

I would have put that in the group chat, like, right up. Like, guys, I bowled a perfect.

Rory (8:58)

I'm gonna FaceTime my sister, and I'm gonn answer, bro.

Mal (9:01)

Yeah. But that's your sister. She'll lie for you.

Rory (9:02)

No, she, she.

Mal (9:03)

You guys have like telepath. You could just.

Rory (9:05)

I would have to pre. Warn her. She wouldn't just lie off the cuff. Let me see.

Mal (9:09)

No, but I feel like that's the sister telepathy that you already know.

Rory (9:12)

Well, she's not my blood sister. She's my. Been my best friend since I was 5, 2 years old.

Mal (9:16)

Like black people's sister, like that type of thing.

Rory (9:19)

It's Black history month. She works for Delta, so she probably busy right now, but she might call me back.

Mal (9:23)

Yeah, okay.

Rory (9:24)

Yeah, I'm.

Mal (9:24)

No, we gonna triple check on that.

Rory (9:26)

All right.

Mal (9:26)

What's the name of the bowling alley? Let's. I think we should verify with them if that happened because I feel like your photo would be up there.

Rory (9:32)

Hold on.

Mal (9:32)

Is it at Dusko Lanes? Dame's new bowling alley. I feel like it's easy to bowl. Perfect score at Dusko Lanes.

Rory (9:39)

I'm calling my other cousin. Hold on, I'm gonna watch. Watch.

Mal (9:43)

All right, it's fine. We. We believe you.

Rory (9:45)

What did you do this weekend? No, you don't, but it's fine.

Mal (9:48)

Friday was, was, was just, you know, daddy daughter time. Saturday, I hit Kaz, our good friend Cass, friend of the show, co host on Hot 97 and with Carmelo Anthony. It was his birthday, so I said, happy birthday, Cass. Cass has two kids and he's married. Like, he don't do. So I was really just texting him to say happy Birthday and enjoy the day. And, you know, you always throw in there, like, oh, how do you plan on celebrating? He's like, I was just doing. Doing dinner with the family. I don't think I'm gonna do anything. Then at around like 9 o', clock, he's like, I think I want to go out. I'm gonna go to Knicks game now and go out after. I was like, well, let me drink a Red Bull because the Knicks game's not gonna end until, I don't know, midnight 30 game that went down to the Wire. So we end up going to the same dive bar where I did karaoke for Rosie's birthday party. Super random. It's a cool spot, but super. It's on a second floor. Like you have to go up an apartment, walk up to, then get to the bar. Like, nobody would just stumble upon this bar whatsoever. So I'm in there. Kaz is there, my man Eddie is there. Rosie, very small, intimate group. Because it was so last minute, sitting there having like serious family Conversations and everything. And then someone walks past me really fast. That looked just like reason to me. Our friend reason. It's. It's kind of dark, so I'm like, nah, never mind.

Rory (11:09)

Isn't he supposed to be coming into town too?

Mal (11:11)

He texted me yesterday, well, Friday rather, and said, yo, I'm coming to town. So I thought maybe he tried to get ahead of, like, the storm or whatever and flew in. So this Reason Dopplerganger walks past again and, like, we make eye contact and I'm like, no, that's reason. Like, what the. And Kaz, like, are you okay? I was like, yeah, I'm fine. But, like, I don't, like, either reason's trolling me or, like, being, like, absolutely disrespectful.

Rory (11:36)

You're a weirdo.

Mal (11:37)

Yeah, like, this is someone I consider a friend. Like, he stayed with me when he comes to the city sometimes. Like, that's how. How close it is. I've met his family. Apparently not his entire family.

Rory (11:47)

It was the twins. Oh, you dumb as hell.

Mal (11:53)

So I'm thinking I'm bugging. We've had a few birthday shots with Kaz, and then I'm like, you know what? Let me text. Cause it was getting weird because it wasn't a big bar and he's lingering and it's like, weird eye contact. I'm like, duh. I talk to Reason daily. Did we say something that I don't know about? It just was an odd feeling. So as I go to text him to say, yo, did you walk past me? Rosie interrupts me and Kaz and goes, yo, why is Reason being fucking weird?

Rory (12:18)

Because him and Rosie are close too.

Mal (12:19)

Exactly. And mind you, Kaz knows who Reason is, but it's never, you know, has never met him. Whatever. He's like, bro, Rory was just saying the same. I. I don't know him enough to go say, what's up? And Rosie's like, nah, he's mad. We're. I can't with reason anymore. I was like, I. Maybe we just think all black people look alike. I don't know if that's really him, even though it looks identical to him. So I text Reason that. And he said, nah, bro, I'm in la. But oh, shit, my brother's in New York. And I completely forgot that Reason has an identical. But like an identical identical twin. Not like, kinda like, yeah, we're born the same time. We don't look alike. They look exactly alike. Same mannerisms, talk the exact same way. So we walk over and I sent You a video of how uncanny it is they're wearing the same thing. Twins that are. That dress the exact same way into adulthood should be studied.

Rory (13:19)

I thought he was ignoring me. He was probably looking at y' all crazy. You look, you ain't get your ass whooped.

Mal (13:26)

Well, no, Rosie's lucky she didn't get her ass. And I mean that respectfully. Rosie, he's with his wife because he was with his. His lovely, lovely wife who ended up being an amazing person. But Rosie, the whole time is staring like, yo, what the. If I'm somebody's wife, I'm like, yo, why is this chick. No. You being weird, Rosie.

Rory (13:44)

Yeah. And I don't remember when the last time this nigga was in New York for real. Like, shit, Shit, moving walkie. Yeah.

Mal (13:49)

And I had completely forgot I'd never met his twin before. I just knew he had one. And we used to joke, like, if you don't feel like going to a show, just send your twin type thing. It just never dawned on me in that moment. I really thought reason was being weird. I was like, I can't trust these LA dudes. They just odd having.

Rory (14:03)

Oh, you can't call LA niggas weird. They'll fucking. They will kill you. They will actually kill you.

Mal (14:10)

I love Los Angeles. Reason is a friend from Carson, California.

Rory (14:13)

Yo, having a twin as an adult is like, that's gay.

Mal (14:17)

It's kind of weird. Like, when you guys are kids, it's cute, but you can't be an adult and look the same. Like, change. Change your appearance.

Rory (14:24)

Why grown ass man look like you then y' all dress alike and on different coasts.

Mal (14:28)

It's not even like, mom dressed y' all today. Why? I both got the same gray hoodie on.

Rory (14:35)

They begin headaches at the same time.

Mal (14:37)

So Reasons sister in law. I won't say her name because I don't know if she wants to even be mentioned. She was telling me that they have, like, weird twin telepathy. Like, he'll know when reason is upset and. And, like, he'll feel it in his chest and then call him and like, no. Already. She's like, it's. I don't like it. She almost talked like it was an ick to her. Like, it's kind of gross that they're twins. I don't even. They be knowing about each other. I don't like it.

Rory (15:01)

Yo, waking up with the flu and you just find out Reason trying to get off TDE is crazy.

Mal (15:09)

Yo, Reason's brother must have been going through it the Week. That reason was trying to get off tde. I'm sure his chest. He was like, who's the guy from Green Mile? When he would just suck in everyone's diseases and have to throw them up? Yo, when Tom Hanks couldn't piss, he was, like, in the jail cell, like, shaking.

Rory (15:28)

Oh, my.

Mal (15:29)

That's how I pictured twin telepathy.

Rory (15:32)

Sick.

Mal (15:32)

And it's different with Mall and his sister because they're different genders. Like, looking like another man. To me, it's a little sus.

Rory (15:39)

That's why Marley and his twin dude look just alike, though. Just in different genders.

Mal (15:43)

Yeah, but she's sweet.

Rory (15:44)

They don't act that much. No, she's a sweet person.

Mal (15:47)

No, but reasons why they. They act different but have the same mannerisms. And again, this east coast bias. They both have the same LA accent. Yeah, but I. You know, everyone with that. With that LA accent sounds the same to me.

Rory (16:00)

But could you imagine having a twin? Your twin will probably be cooler than you.

Mal (16:05)

Yeah, for sure.

Rory (16:06)

Yeah.

Mal (16:07)

I think I would be the erratic twin. That would be, like, the calm one, but that. I feel like that happens with people on microphone. Like, it's the real. I love Jeff and Eric, but if. If you meet Eric's brother, like, twin, I think they're twins.

Rory (16:23)

Really?

Mal (16:23)

He's like. He's the way cooler. Which I tell them this is anything that I'm saying not in front of them. I always say their brother off mic is the way cooler brother.

Rory (16:33)

Of course.

Mal (16:34)

And, I mean, your sisters are cooler than you.

Rory (16:36)

Cool people. No, they're not cool people. Don't Peach.

Mal (16:39)

His brother's cooling him.

Rory (16:40)

He's draw a brother a little or older. Of course.

Mal (16:45)

Yeah. Peach's brother's way cooler. It's. Anyone in entertainment.

Rory (16:49)

I was gonna say people in entertainment. We're not cool. Like, you don't. Like. You can't be cool and do this job. Like, no way. I got up today.

Mal (16:56)

We got us to have validation because we know we're not cool.

Rory (16:59)

Like, I put full face and makeup to come in here and, like, talk to you on camera. Like, you can't be cool and do like that.

Mal (17:04)

No. Or. Or shovel out 7ft of snow on that driveway. Yeah. It was the most uncool to come

Rory (17:09)

talk for a living. Is wild. N. Damn. We kind of losers.

Mal (17:12)

No. 100% talking. We literally gossip for a living. Let me get the white out of the way now. First, you know. Fifteen minutes in. Congratulations to the USA Hockey team. We are the champions once again. I'm sure you. You woke up early to watch the game. Gold medal round overtime, beat the Canucks. You're not happy. Wait, is Canucks. I don't care about being racist towards Canada. Are you not, like, a hockey fan?

Rory (17:41)

No. Are you? No.

Mal (17:43)

I mean, I wouldn't say a fan.

Rory (17:45)

You dabble.

Mal (17:46)

If the Rangers or Devils are in the playoffs, I'll definitely watch. Going to a hockey game, I would actually, like, recommend.

Rory (17:52)

I would.

Mal (17:52)

I think you would have a lot of fun in hockey because it was, like, violent, right?

Rory (17:55)

Violent and like beers and.

Mal (17:56)

Yes. And it's. It's f. Like, it's one of the most exciting sports to watch in person. Like, there's no downtime. It's literally chaos the entire time.

Rory (18:04)

I will go.

Mal (18:05)

It's. No, they're. They're a lot of fun, but it was good to see USA Hockey get the gold and come on. No American pride.

Rory (18:13)

It's Black History Month. I'm sitting up here with two white people.

Mal (18:17)

I think. I think USA had a black guy on their staff.

Rory (18:23)

Jesus.

Mal (18:25)

I remember seeing.

Rory (18:26)

Had a black guy on their.

Mal (18:27)

Somebody on the bench was black.

Rory (18:28)

Yo. Have their black guy on the staff. Staff is crazy. As. Not on the team. On the staff.

Mal (18:34)

Well, he was an older gentleman. He Maybe he played before. I'm not like that.

Rory (18:37)

I think he's like, coaching.

Mal (18:39)

Yeah. I'm saying on staff. Like one of the people that was on the bench or part of the celebration.

Rory (18:42)

Oh, okay. I did hear that the women had the first black women hockey player. Black woman hockey player to win a gold medal.

Mal (18:52)

Oh, that's great.

Rory (18:53)

Yeah.

Mal (18:54)

Yeah. No, see, look at us. Clean. That's our sport now. I also love that the director of the FBI used our hard earned tax dollars to make sure he was in the locker room to celebrate. Have you ever seen something like that?

Rory (19:05)

No. No.

Mal (19:06)

Cash Patel is wearing a gold medal in the locker room of the USA Hockey team.

Rory (19:11)

If you got the connections, do it. Fuck it. I mean, you could be solving crime and shit like that, solving missing people,

Mal (19:18)

but I don't know if you pay attention to the news. Much Cash Patel couldn't solve a parking ticket outside.

Rory (19:26)

Oh, I didn't know he was bad at this.

Mal (19:28)

He's one of the worst. Absolute worst. He was, you know, suggested that Epstein only trafficked little girls to himself, nobody else. There's no evidence he said that on the microphone. Oh, with a straight face under oath.

Rory (19:43)

Yeah.

Mal (19:44)

That's who's celebrating with this with the team. They. They put a gold medal on him.

Rory (19:50)

America's in the. We're in the. And apparently they turned the global warming off. Now we got snow. I don't know. Put the weather machine back on. Like, I'm like, what the is this, bro?

Mal (20:00)

Give the remote back to Biden.

Listener Caller (20:01)

Yeah.

Rory (20:02)

Like, I'm like, what the is going on? You said you had something to do later. I'm very interested in what that is.

Mal (20:10)

I'm streaming with Simba, but by the time they hear this, it'll be over. So it's not like I can plug it. But I'm streaming with Simba because I have some questions for Simba. He was on all the Smoke over the weekend and he told a story where Game, which has been a collaborator of his, like we've seen them on stage together at the documentary 1520 year anniversary. Simba did a freestyle like we know these guys to be close west coast friends. And he said once that he had Simba done a post of a girlfriend reveal, if you will. And then after that, Game slid into her DMs, which game has been accused of often with people that he will just DM a girl because he knows that they're dating somebody. It's not cause he finds that woman attractive and wants to get to know her. It's very much a power play type of move that he's trying to do. But where Simba got a bunch of flack was he was like, nah, Game, that's still my dog. That's the big bro, that's big homie. And that's where everyone was like, all right, come on, what you doing? He went on to clear it up. But I'm curious what you think about his clear up. He said, yo, I was in a whole phase when Game and I were working the most and I would bring in a different girl every studio session and say, yo, this is my girlfriend, this is wifey, this is my queen. And Game just started to see that pattern. Like, no, they not like you just be bringing in random chicks and saying it's your girl. So he thought the last one that. That Simba had brought in, he said, this is my girl. And Game thought, no, the not like she's free. And where I understand what Simba is saying on the. The nastier homie side, I've always found that weird to begin with. Because even if that's not my girl, why are you trying to a girl that I'm.

Rory (22:09)

Why am I going and scouting hoes for you, testing them out just for you to slide in after I've done all the work? Like, okay, I know she valid? Simba Her.

Mal (22:17)

And I'm gonna ask Simba tonight. But I do have a theory which I don't want to support Game with this because I. I think it's nasty work to do that even with associates. Not even friends, just somebody working with closely that's an associate. I think it's probably worked a lot for sure. I don't think this is Game's first rodeo with the scouting that Simba was doing and what he was bringing into the studio.

Rory (22:44)

I mean, it's the Game. He's one of the most famous rappers of our generation. And outside of his antics, the Game is also traditionally fine as fuck.

Mal (22:53)

He fingered India Love in a public park. Like, I'm not. I'm not saying this is above games pedigree. I'm just saying that I don't think this is the first time he's DMed a girl that Simba brought to the studio and ended up her.

Rory (23:06)

No, definitely, definitely not. That girl forgot some name.

Mal (23:10)

Like, I think that was a muscle memory for Game.

Rory (23:12)

Yes. However, here's where that was a terrible cleanup. Number one, if that was really your big homie, your big bro, he wouldn't be trying to after you. That is what it is. Number two, you said that game slid in her DMs after you posted her.

Mal (23:24)

But we don't know if Game saw that that post. That was just the last girl that Simba had brought to the studio and said the game, yo, this is my girl. Again, I think none of this is okay because if. If my friend brings a girl to studio, I don't even think I'm gonna follow her unless we become like, cool and she's around a lot, let alone DM her to try to her.

Rory (23:43)

He saw the post because he said a couple days after the post, Game slid in her dm.

Mal (23:48)

We don't know games algorithm, man.

Rory (23:50)

Man. All right, bro. That's what we doing. All right, cool.

Mal (23:52)

The game like the post.

Rory (23:54)

I don't know if he liked it or not, but he knew. He knew. All I will say is from an outsider's perspective looking in, you respect the game more than the game respects you.

Mal (24:05)

Oh, for sure.

Rory (24:06)

That's it.

Mal (24:07)

No, absolutely.

Rory (24:07)

That's it. That's all. And I don't know their relationship. So Simba, don't take this personally, right? Friend of the show, but you respect the game more than the game respects you?

Mal (24:14)

No, I don't think that's disrespectful to say. I think that's quite obvious because I don't know. I don't. Simba even admitting to his hofase. And I've had conversations with him after the girlfriend reveal thing. I appreciate how open and honest Simba is about the things he was doing when he was with his girl, when now being faithful. Like, he's kind of an open book with some of his bad behavior as far as being promiscuous. I think Simba's reformed. I don't know if Game has gotten to the reformed.

Rory (24:45)

I don't know Game.

Mal (24:46)

I reformed. It's too far gone.

Rory (24:49)

Yeah. I mean, I'm your big homie. And I. Before I slide on anybody you mess with, I always ask you.

Mal (24:55)

And here's my thing. You beat. You beat me. I was trying to pinhole you into the corner. How could you say this about Game when you've done it to me?

Rory (25:03)

I asked you. And.

Mal (25:05)

Yeah, but don't ask.

Rory (25:06)

I let you know. And then you have the opportunity to tell me, no, no, big homie. Please don't fuck her. I like her.

Mal (25:16)

Can you. Can you define big homie? Before any debate, let's establish what words mean. Okay. What does big homie mean so I can know how you are my big homie. I'm not sure you think to the degree of what Game did for the West coast in 2003 when the west coast was starving, it was over for Death Row. Game came in and put the west on his fucking back. Brought back the west coast that has made some of the best music since 2005. Simba being from Northern California, you would not see that. That what Game has. Has done that. That would be his big homie. You think Game putting an entire state on his back is the equivalent of what you are to. To me? I know. I'm just trying to. I'm trying. I'm trying to establish what big homie means.

Rory (26:06)

We gonna have a. We having a real conversation because Ma ain't here to laugh. Cause at one point, I put your whole life on my back. Don't do that. Don't do that.

Mal (26:14)

Okay.

Rory (26:14)

I'm definitely big homie.

Mal (26:16)

I'm definitely big homie.

Rory (26:17)

When shit go wrong, who you call Rory?

Mal (26:19)

And vice versa when shit go wrong. No, we're homies. Like, don't do that. Yo.

Rory (26:26)

Just saying. But anyway, I wouldn't game you out. I would never do that.

Mal (26:30)

You have.

Rory (26:31)

I ask you.

Mal (26:33)

As a matter of fact, both you and Mal have done it.

Rory (26:38)

No, Mal is different.

Mal (26:40)

Both you and Mo have done the same thing. Nobody could ever say I. I give everyone full Right to do the exposed. I have never, ever done that behavior in my entire life. I cannot say the same about everyone that's been in this room, aside from Peach, because I don't know Peach do that behavior either. Mall you two. No, y' all are menaces.

Rory (27:02)

No mall is different because you mall. You'll tell ma you like, somebody might be like, man, you don't like that girl. Man ain't your ex, man. You don't with that girl. That's what ma does.

Mal (27:13)

That's what games doing here when he likes her. Game's doing it rightfully so.

Rory (27:17)

Bags and everything. At least the game did it in private.

Mal (27:19)

Nah. Dming a girl, that. Come on. That's way different than throwing money backs. I'll give them all no inviting a girl to a dinner. That might be worse than game.

Rory (27:30)

He inviting pretty women to my birthday dinner.

Mal (27:33)

What are we doing that both y' all trying to. Never mind.

Rory (27:37)

All right, shh. Listen. What way now it's just me and you here. The fans keep saying I'll be being mean to you. You think I'm mean to you?

Mal (27:45)

Peaches, did you see that deflection and.

Rory (27:48)

All right.

Mal (27:48)

And first of all, if we are all right, if I'm your little homie, you should be guiding me and mentoring me and understanding some of my emotions. Because anytime a man is asked the question of, yo, that's not your girl, Right? Like, it's cool. If I try, every male ego will be like, their voice will get a little higher. Look at it, bro. Come on, bro. Yeah, you know me, which I've admitted on this podcast, I'm not one of those people. I love my hoes.

Rory (28:17)

So you're mad that I'm giving you the opportunity to stand up for yourself. I'm giving you practice and standing up for yourself and speaking.

Mal (28:23)

But. But more of it leans on the. Yeah, go ahead and try. You could like, I'm. I'm fine with you doing it, because I know what the result is.

Rory (28:32)

Aren't you ill?

Mal (28:34)

No, I just don't think you as ill to do that. I'm just.

Rory (28:39)

You want to keep it up? Because I'll fly out right now. It's hot over there. Where she at?

Mal (28:45)

No. All right, which one, though? Because you've done this more than once, and. No, that did happen when we were in Vegas and we were driving with somebody who will remain nameless. And it's not even hints, because this person's not from Vegas and live in Vegas. They just happen to be there. I had given Them, they asked me that question, and I don't like. I don't like being asked that question. I think it's weird.

Rory (29:15)

Like, they couldn't, though.

Mal (29:16)

I wasn't that type of person and I. I find it odd. And I consider this person a friend too. But listen, man will be game. Like, that's just how men operate. So I'm not. It's not somebody I was dealing with. Not somebody I was talking to, not somebody I was planning on talking to. So you can have a blast. My long history with her is, if you cool with it, go for it. I. I did feel a little way in that car. I can't lie.

Rory (29:40)

Yeah.

Mal (29:40)

That was weird, actually, when he actually did it. Just because I say do it, don't do it.

Rory (29:46)

Yeah.

Mal (29:46)

Which is unfair. But, like, nah.

Rory (29:49)

Yeah.

Mal (29:49)

Because even in Simba's thing, if you're bringing other women and saying, this is my queens, whatever. Yeah, we know that's not true. And you're admitting it wasn't true. But that don't give the right for everybody in the room to go start DMing them. Like, I don't know, maybe. Maybe I'm different.

Rory (30:03)

No.

Mal (30:03)

Maybe I actually, like, care about the people I talk to.

Rory (30:05)

I feel like everybody knows which one of my hoes are free range.

Mal (30:08)

I don't.

Rory (30:09)

I got an ex right now. I don't even want to have somebody I used to date when I was younger. Young, older teenager. And he keeps sliding in my homegirl dms and he thinks she not answering. He keeps, like, trying. She keeps ignoring him. He thinks she's not answering because he's attached to me. And I'm like, even if I never be and we were never together, she still wouldn't fuck you. She's not answering because I told her, yo, if you would like to, you could. And he just insists on bothering that woman.

Mal (30:36)

But that's so interesting. I didn't know that that happened because I'm a square. I didn't know that happened in the female group chat.

Rory (30:43)

Oh, for sure. They know we know which ones are untouchable.

Mal (30:45)

Well, I've never been that ill that the whole squad was trying to be so, like. I didn't know that there was women had their. Like, nah, he's. You could do whatever with him.

Rory (30:54)

Nah, it's something.

Mal (30:54)

He's a hoe. You could have him. I didn't know that they did that.

Rory (30:58)

Don't be a hoe and spend money.

Mal (31:03)

I can see the group chat where Instagram women that are not actually friends start to hang Out. And their goal is to find men with money that spend money. I can see them giving a. A hoe report. Like, yeah, he spends money. Go ahead. I could see that. But you have, like, actual, real friends. Yeah, but I don't think.

Rory (31:21)

Yeah, actual friends, but women also not speaking for me, but women also have men that they come into contact with that they'll sleep with, but they would never wife. So then it's like. Like, it's meant. I had one of my homegirls call me leaving, homie. How say, oh, somebody got to try this. I can't be the only one.

Mal (31:43)

I've never been that ill. So, yes, y'. All. I don't know about this world.

Rory (31:46)

Y' all have to try this shit out. This is amaz. I've had homegirls call, like, okay, so

Mal (31:52)

what was the response in that group chat to that message?

Rory (31:57)

Some. Some of my friends considered it, and some didn't, but, yeah, you have some fire that's handed out. He handed out fire and money. Ain't he cute?

Mal (32:06)

And you don't want to wife it to call back. It must be so amazing to be cool, because I could never. I could never imagine sleeping with a woman. And then the next day, I. I know this is one of her friends. Dm's me. I would think this is a setup to see. I think y' all are trying to play me to see if I'm gonna take the bait. That's how I would view it. I wouldn't think, oh, I did. I had such an amazing performance. All her friends want to know women.

Rory (32:31)

The women that happens. That happens with women. In my friend group, we're kind of getting to the point where we're like. We're older, and we're all, like, trying to date with intention and find husbands and like that. Yeah, yeah. You know, like adult, but, like. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. Women like fine men, too. Like, so it's not just. We don't. Not everybody is trying to get married. So, yeah, I've had some funny conversations where it's like, no, you got it.

Mal (32:55)

Yeah. But, I mean, I. If I was simple, I wouldn't take it too personal, because Game literally does that with everybody. Yeah, he's done it with me. He's done it with everybody. On the old part, he's Game has done that to everyone.

Rory (33:05)

Well, some obviously isn't taking it personal. I just wouldn't call him my big homie. He tried to holler at your baby mama.

Mal (33:13)

Do we think she accepted the request?

Rory (33:15)

No, she didn't and don't.

Mal (33:16)

Of course I know her. No, I don't know. I know. I don't think she.

Rory (33:19)

You may accept the request.

Mal (33:20)

I'm just curious like how as a long term girlfriend in that situation like how you feel. Because shit, even in 15, 20 years ago whenever we try to put these timelines I've had friends that I'm no longer friends with that have like quietly tried to do that with women and they felt. And even though they weren't my girlfriend or anything like that they automatically and rightfully so think. Well how do you speak about me?

Rory (33:47)

Yeah.

Mal (33:49)

Like you. You think that lesson me that you would be okay with your friend doing that? I had no fucking idea because I

Rory (33:55)

feel like you sent him.

Mal (33:57)

I'll spend half. I don't think that's a bad. That's not bad reasoning to me that you would think that it like no way your friend would do that without you being okay with it. And the cases. Yeah. When you got the creepy friend. Yeah, they will do that.

Rory (34:12)

I've broken up a friendship like that before telling some like spazzing like your friend this he like he did what? Oh J. Cole mean.

Mal (34:20)

Yeah. And with that. I mean that nasty mentality that a lot of male friend groups have in their early 20s. Like if that's not your girl, she's for everybody. Like no man. Not to sound like a absolute marshmallow, but she's also a person.

Rory (34:34)

And you didn't know.

Mal (34:35)

No, I didn't just. She's not just here for everyone to her.

Rory (34:39)

You didn't know about her until I brought her around. You didn't know. You had no idea that girl existed until I bought her room like you want to her because I'm her. You're weird. Go scout your own hoes. The Explore page is full of them.

Mal (34:49)

And granted in my early 20s I have had friends bring a girl that was there admitting and openly saying everybody could. That's a different thing. I. I don't think I've ever brought around a girl. I'm not saying I haven't brought a hoe around but not one that was there for the squad.

Rory (35:07)

Yeah, it's weird.

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Rory (40:15)

Speaking of disrespectful, Ti Son.

Mal (40:20)

That's not disrespect. That's a lost young man. I mean, I mean that respectfully.

Rory (40:25)

He's he grown now. If you don't know what's going on, Ti Son King, if I'm not mistaken it's his name is currently entered into the beef between his dad and 50 Cent. Because 50 Cent brought up his mom, took a picture, you know, posted a picture of his mom talking, and King was like, yo, go dig up your mother and your grandmother, your mama, dead bitch. Dig her up. And I bet my mother looked better than her dead body.

Mal (40:50)

And this is why I've always subscribed to the rule of leaving out wives, girlfriends, women, children, everything, especially back and forth. That's not that real ti. And 50 is not anything that's really serious. It's half trolling, half them just not liking each other, and half 50 just being fucking 50. And I'm aware that's 150. But this is why, because King's not wrong. Like, and I understand Tiny is a public figure, so she is, I guess, in the rules of being talked about, even without the proxy of being married to ti. But now, like, now you're offending a bunch of people that have nothing to do with this entire thing. Because if I'm King, I'd probably feel away if somebody posted my mother and said those things. Like, yeah, I don't think he's wrong. I think his response is a little misguided because, you know, we've seen King try to say he's from the trenches and all this weird. Just you can feel upset and feel disrespected and talk about it, But, I mean, going that far and no. And granted, I'm not saying that there's rules to reaction. I'm not. And I don't. I don't think it's. It's. It's tacky what he did because someone spoke about his mother. I'm not saying that. It's just like, I. I would never say that, because I'm not prepared to go there with 50 cent. That's. That's how I look at these. No rules. All right. Are you prepared to go there when you say certain things 50? Unfortunately, I know even with the amount of money that he has and the power that he has, I know 50 will box somebody tomorrow. I know 50 is willing to go there with anybody. He will back up his words no matter what. King, you're not going to back your words up. Your. Your rant is not matching where things could go. And I'm not. In no way am I saying 50 Cent and King are going to run into each other and 50 is going to smack King. But there has been a past where people in Gina have smacked people's kids. And I thought it was wrong then, but there is evidence of this happening. And that was somebody that was under 18 years old that they smacked. You think they wouldn't smack King? Yeah, but that's where I think it's up because now it's a kid that's in just trying to, you know, defend his mom off of baseless beef. Between ti and 50.

Rory (43:12)

My thing with. The only thing my thing with King is, and this is a lesson I learned very young is when you are reacting to someone, you have to remember the people who are going to protect you. So there was a lot of things that I didn't say or do because I knew if it went just a step farther, I was going to have to get my father involved and that that was going to go left. King needs to be aware of who his father is and how things that are innocent could escalate very quickly with people who don't play that because this is what the same way 50 don't play T, I don't play.

Mal (43:51)

So TI and 50 are. Are two of the most intelligent entertainer, rappers, whatever you want to call them that that are in the industry today. That does not mean they are above all the dumb that they've done before.

Rory (44:04)

Exactly, exactly. I think you need to consider that when you're reacting now. I don't think that King is wrong in his emotions. Emotions will. Emotions can ruin lives. But I don't think that he's wrong. And for having his emotions, he's 100 right. And he's kid. He's not her only child outside of how she may feel being brought. Because women are always the ones suffering from people's rap battles. You always got to bring women in and kids in and who. Who may or may not belong to us and what all types of women are always catching strays.

Mal (44:40)

Maybe it's. Maybe it's part of the deal now. It kind of is.

Rory (44:43)

It kind of is.

Mal (44:44)

I like I, I think it's fucked up because I, I subscribe to not doing even if it's a public figure or whatever. Like I don't want to talk about somebody's girl if I have an issue with.

Rory (44:52)

But not rapping though. This isn't an issue.

Mal (44:54)

I know. No, I'm saying it's like a battle content at this point. Streamers say crazier than rappers say about other people's families and this and that. There is no line on the Internet at all. But I'm saying now it sucks and it's up and it's not right. But if you are dating somebody that does do public back and forth. Salah, you should be prepared for that. At this point. I don't think you can run and be like, I thought we said no women and children. Those days have been done. I still subscribe to that. But the rest of the world does not subscribe to that.

Rory (45:26)

No.

Mal (45:27)

So if you are dating somebody that is famous for going back and forth with people, whether it be streaming content, IG videos, rapping famous, period, honestly, you should be prepared for that. I know you say I didn't sign up for this. In this day and age you should have the self awareness that you did.

Rory (45:46)

Yeah.

Mal (45:47)

So. And I mean Tiny's already, she was an entertainer before TI was but I still feel that's his mom and not an entertainer. And I hope people don't think that. I think 50 didn't watch that video and just laugh. I don't think 50 somewhere steaming. No, that how could you say something about my dead mother? I don't. I think 50 like really probably watched that a few times and couldn't stop laughing. And it's not going to go anywhere. But this is the result of the Internet.

Rory (46:12)

Do you think that 50 is lame for what he did?

Mal (46:15)

Yeah, I do. I'm. I'm objective. As much as you guys know. I, I'm not objective with 50. I am objective with times like that. There are plenty of moments where I was think 50 has gone a little too far with some of the trauma. But I'm also on the side. Even if I don't agree with it. I do know 50 is capable. So when people that are capable do this, okay, just deal with the consequences of the things that you say that may be over the line. I can think is lame, but I know he's somebody that's not going to run from anything. I think it's super lame when people do shit like that that we know are not here to deal with the consequences of the things that they say and that's, that's why they're saying them. I know the people that 50 has gone toe to toe with and it's, it's a far crazier history than any rapper, period. So while yes, I, I don't think even though again Tanya is an entertainer and is. Is subject to whatever somebody says. She's on Getty Images. But to me it's lamer when people won't. Won't deal with what they say rather than 50 that I know will. He has been doing that from how to rob to now. 50 will always deal with the consequences whether someone's being harmed. He's Being harmed, somebody's being stabbed, like, again, I don't want violence to happen. I just know 50 is capable. And when you're ready to go there with anybody, that's. That's your sword to fall on. I can't say anything. I. I can say more about the people that say insane things and would never do that. Would just run to the cops and be like, no, no. It's just the Internet. That's where I think people are lame. Yeah, we know T. I'll go there. We know 50 will go there if they want to say whatever the. They want back and forth to each other. Cool. King. I don't think King will go there.

Rory (48:12)

I think, you know, it was crazy. I think King will go there.

Mal (48:15)

That's one of those stupid people.

Rory (48:17)

Yes. Like, that's the thing, like, trying to prove. I always try to tell people, like, the only thing scarier than people who go there are people who will go just to prove that they go there. Like, just to prove themselves. Like, you'll sacrifice your safety, your father's safety, everything, just to prove something to yourself and everyone else.

Mal (48:34)

Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, like, that's kind of the difference of how I view people. Like. Like Star. Did Starr say things that I completely disagree with, and I feel like we're. We're over the line. Even though I think he. I view him as one of my favorite radio personalities of all time, and it's not even close. He's definitely said some stuff that me personally, on my moral compass was like, that's too far. But Starr was always accessible. Like, Starr was at that studio every day. It wasn't some. You could not find Star. Yeah. Charlemagne. Do. I think someone's going to do something absolutely insane? And I heart building even though someone did try outside of me. I'm talking about that. But Charlamagne has said 99.9% of the shit to the person's face in front of them. And again, I know that's a enclosed place where fights are probably not going to happen and there's a bit more safety, but I have way more respect for people like Starr and Charlemagne that say these things to these people and are accessible.

Rory (49:32)

Yeah.

Mal (49:33)

Charlamagne now is. Is. You know how big he's gotten. He's not as accessible. He should be home with his kids and shit. But for a while, Charlamagne was pretty accessible. They found him outside the fucking studio. I have respect for that. Even if I disagree and think you going over the line, like, you're saying it to the person. I look at that way different than the people that are just saying on camera in a basement. Like, that's why I watch my words on this podcast. I'm accessible. I'll be outside all the time. I know a certain line that doesn't make me. I just respect a line of manhood. Yeah. I'm not gonna say something without knowing because I don't want to fight anyone.

Rory (50:10)

Yeah.

Mal (50:10)

And if I did, then I would cross the line. But I don't. I don't want to fight anyone. At almost 36, I'm accessible. That's why I don't crash out on these cameras the way y' all do. I will be outside all the time, in every room, at every. Like, I'll be there comfy. And there's been times that you know that off mic stuff that has happened, that I will confront someone immediately and confront them for the things that they say. I live in that type of world, so that's why I choose my words the way that I do. It's not because I'm scared. It's just because I live in the real world.

Rory (50:42)

Don't nobody always want to deal with the consequences. Just because you're not afraid to deal with the consequences of your own actions, sometimes you just don't

Mal (50:49)

like. I also don't have a enough issue with anybody right now where I would just want to cross that line for entertainment purposes to then cause a conflict that doesn't need to be there.

Rory (51:01)

Yeah, that.

Mal (51:02)

I mean, that's really where it's at with me. Which I guess is a perfect segue to Rayvon on. On the Radar.

Rory (51:10)

I did not see that. What happened. Shout out to Rayon. Even though I've cussed him out before. Shout out to Rayon.

Mal (51:16)

So I have only good things to say about Ray with. With the freestyle. We'll get to his verse. I loved his verse. I hated his jeans, but I loved his verse. I do want to start by saying, Gabe, thank you for. For continuing to create a platform for real rappers to rap. Like anyone that's complaining that you can't find real lyrics or that golden age hip hop is dead. This and that. Well, just go over to Gabe's platform, Gabe. Gabe did his on the radar cipher. Kind of what Double XL should still be doing right now with what they did with their freshman class. But the up next crowd of actual lyricists that also all 10 of these gentlemen make good music too. It. It's what was needed. It's why Double XL has fallen off. Because they didn't go with their bread and butter. And they also tried to live in the world of we need to Adapt to terrible SoundCloud rappers just because they have a big following. Because when they would do their ciphers, it was. It was a rough watch. Sometimes people shouldn't cipher, which we'll get to the other cipher.

Rory (52:18)

Sometimes people shouldn't rap. But we here now.

Mal (52:22)

So you did not watch it.

Rory (52:23)

I did not.

Mal (52:24)

Okay. It's 22 minutes of absolute gold. Like, I haven't seen 10 people rap this well together in quite some time. It's what has been missing from the BET Hip Hop Awards. Like, I think all platforms stopped realizing that there is still value in people that. That just rap really well and can show out and be entertaining for the 22 minutes of. Of what you guys would call lyrical miracle. Shit, like, all 10 went nuts. And I'm not just saying that to just big up this entire thing. I have no bad notes whatsoever. Outside of Rayvon's genes, who was your favorite? All right, what's this?

Rory (53:09)

Unfair, Marlon? Yeah, it's.

Mal (53:13)

No. All right, so it's unfair because I do admit when I. I have a friendship and. And bias with people, I try to be as objective as I can all the time. I'm not just saying this because Marlon is somebody that I consider a friend. And I know you guys clown me about the family shit. He is actually family. He grew up with. With my daughter's mother. Like, her best friend was his sister. Like, I see his dad every day. Yes, That's. That's. I consider him family. He still smoked y', all, though. No. If I had to say my. My favorites, that stood out because, again, I have a similar bias with Ruben Vincent. Ruben is a friend as well.

Rory (53:58)

Okay.

Mal (53:58)

Suave is on my next album. I think he's incredible. Suave has incredible music with James Blake. He's just a super, super talented rapper. But with that said, Larisi kind of was the start of me in the entire thing. I think people with a New Orleans accent have a cheat code because their accent is like an instrument in itself. He was probably the least lyrical, but had the best verse, the most swag. Like. Yeah. No, his performance was unreal. How he used his voice like he was still lyrical, but he. He was my personal favorite in that regard. But if you're going just off bars, Marco plus went nuts. Ah. Overcast did the beat and. And wrapped. Ben Riley went nuts. All of them went. Went crazy. Nassan, who is, you know, proof is rest in peace. His son, he's been out For a little while. He makes good music. He dissed Revolt and Rob Markman out of nowhere for no reason.

Rory (54:57)

Damn, why Rob catching a stray?

Mal (54:59)

Because it's hip hop. It's a real cipher. So at the end of the year, Revolt, Rob Markman, a few other people did, like, a recap show, and Rob Markman just said his favorite MCs of the year and who's next? And just didn't mention Nassan, so.

Rory (55:16)

Oh, all right.

Mal (55:18)

But to call. To call Rob dumb to me was lazy because in his scheme, he was saying Revolt. Are y' all dumb, Rob Markman? Actually, I think you're dumb. Like, it was just kind of, like, as good of a lyricist you are, that's what you landed on with Rob. Because everybody know Rob is not dumb. And Rob supports young artists. Matter of fact, Rob was the first person to ever put him on a platform at Genius. The first time we ever saw him, at least I can speak for me, was when Rob put you on the decoded Genius shit. When I was like, oh, shit. Proof. Proofs don't be rap. Royce had told me some stuff before, but, like, I wasn't fully on board. That made me a fan of the song was. Was what Rob did for him on Genius. So to say that, cool, if you. If you want to just throw shots, whatever. But, like, to really say that I actually think you're dumb to somebody that is clearly not dumb and has supported a bunch of young artists since he's been in this industry is kind of nuts to me.

Rory (56:17)

Was that a rap genius pun? Like calling you dumb? Because it was. I don't know, my rap brain. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, was it a play on Genius?

Mal (56:25)

I. I didn't. No.

Rory (56:27)

Okay. I mean, that's where I would have went with it. So that's.

Mal (56:30)

I mean, maybe. I still think that's. I thought his whole verse was great. I just thought that. I'm not saying, don't dis Rob.

Rory (56:35)

Yeah, go.

Mal (56:37)

Go at whoever the you feel like, but just make it a little bit more creative. Because I thought the. When he was getting the Revolt scheme, I was like, oh, this is great. And when you land on the Rob thing, it's like, all right, whatever.

Rory (56:48)

Okay. So we just took a break, and I watched Rayvon's verse.

Mal (56:51)

Yes, rightfully so. Went. Went viral over the weekend. Thoughts outside of his jeans?

Rory (56:58)

I don't mind his jeans, actually. He just dressed like. That's, like, how New Yorkers used to dress in, like, O2.

Mal (57:04)

Well, we're gonna get to that, by the way. I have that in my notes.

Rory (57:07)

That reminds me, like, when I went when I was in school. That's how boys dress.

Mal (57:11)

I want Yachty to get back on IG Live and just. Just pull back your comments. Every last person in this video is dressed like they're from New York City.

Rory (57:20)

But, like.

Mal (57:21)

Like, who's my guy from Atlanta is dressed like Inspector Deck. Like, I don't ever want to hear y' all say that. New York is not the leaders in fashion. All of y'. All. Only one person in this video is from New York, and that's Marlon. Every last one of you are dressed like you're from New York City.

Rory (57:38)

Yeah.

Mal (57:38)

I don't ever want to hear it. I'm. It's cool. I'm gonna get worked up.

Rory (57:43)

That's, like, the style now, though. Like, the baggy clothes and. And all of that.

Mal (57:48)

I was so confused when Yachty was like, nobody's trying to dress like they're from New York. You dress like you from

Rory (57:56)

Amen.

Mal (57:57)

And. But which. Which is fine with me because I've always said I mean this respectfully, because I. I do eventually maybe want to move to Atlanta. Atlanta is one of the worst dressed cities of all time, so I love to see that you guys are starting to dress like you're from New York. Maybe it's because half of New York migrated to Atlanta, and our sauce kind of got there.

Rory (58:15)

Okay.

Mal (58:15)

This entire. If you didn't hear anyone's voice, accent, or rhymes, and just saw this cipher with. With the sound off, you would think that they did this shit in a Staten island basement. Like, they all look like they're just

Rory (58:28)

from New York, but in 08.

Mal (58:30)

Well, now there's not. There's definitely 90s. Like, even down to the camo with Chris Patrick here. Suave with that bandana. Was. Is definitely, like, inspect. That was an Inspector Deck special.

Rory (58:42)

Yeah.

Mal (58:42)

Not. It's more 90s into 2000s, I would say.

Rory (58:45)

Okay.

Mal (58:47)

But no, I don't think. And again, I'll make this a shot. Everett. I don't think anyone, even in New York is wearing those jeans with that. I like the TD long sleeve. It's just a lot. It's a lot going on there. Yeah. If you matched it with, like, a Cookie Monster T shirt and xl, then I'd say it looks like you're from New York.

Rory (59:05)

He did a good job. Rayvon did a good job. He.

Mal (59:08)

Rayvon smoked that.

Rory (59:09)

He came at the whites. I was listening for yesterday. I didn't catch it you ain't catch one.

Mal (59:16)

I don't think, I mean, I personally don't think I did. Okay. If, if he feels any of that applies to me, I also wouldn't be like, mad.

Rory (59:24)

Yeah, yeah.

Mal (59:25)

I wouldn't. I thought everything he said was absolutely

Rory (59:27)

correct and he came out all the people who stand next to, who stand next to people like Aiden Ross.

Mal (59:32)

I, I, I thought it was. I mean, people are assuming that's specifically about Aiden Ross, but I mean, even down to the no jumper part, like, I understood what he was saying and I bet on no jumper. And I mean, Adam and I aren't close by any means or even speak like that, but I feel his perspective on that. If you've had somebody that you lost to gun violence. No, I don't want to go on a platform that not glorifies it, but constantly talks about gun violence. Like, I get everything that Rayvon said in that entire verse and, but we've said that before. Like his LA Leakers freestyle is one of my favorite freestyles from the Leakers. Rayvon. This is his, this is his dojo. This is where Rayvon shines all the time.

Rory (60:13)

Agree.

Mal (60:13)

And I love that TDE continues to try to put him in situations even after the Joey Badass thing, like when they put out that video. This is where he shines. I, I do believe that he, he can make, he can make good songs. I think that's, that's a bit of his Achilles heel right now. But I don't think when you have this type of talent level that you won't have the ability to do that one day. Okay, but in this arena, yes. It's tough to see somebody like Rayvon in this arena. He's. He's one of them. Why, why are you.

Rory (60:45)

Because when I went on my rayon ramp, I said the next time y' all give props, who weren't giving us props and was being funny, I was gonna smash all the black magic. So I'm over here totaling up how much the black magic cost before I started tossing them around.

Mal (61:00)

We had to downgrade to black magics after Carl lost.

Rory (61:03)

But black magic is not a downgrade. These are very.

Mal (61:06)

Well, that's, no, that's how expensive the cameras were.

Rory (61:08)

The Game of Thrones cameras.

Mal (61:10)

This is 20 grand right here.

Rory (61:12)

Yeah, not them Game of Thrones cameras we had.

Mal (61:14)

Yeah, I'm just.

Rory (61:14)

Was crazy.

Mal (61:15)

Might as well bought a red like.

Rory (61:17)

But no, I mean, yeah, you did a good job.

Mal (61:19)

I can give props again. Do I. I have my personal thoughts about Rayvon. And the things that he said, especially post your rant. And then the. Oh, we have people watching you. I could have. We knew your location. Like, I have my separate thoughts about Rayvon as a person, but that's neither here nor there. And if I ever actually talk about that type of smash the cameras. But I, I can, I can give props to somebody that raps really well.

Rory (61:47)

I like that.

Mal (61:47)

Like he. And. And the content was perfect. Everything he said was correct. Yeah. And I mean, what I'm supposed to say, that was whack.

Rory (61:58)

No, but that's why people respect you, because you can put your personal dealings to the side and come out and give somebody props.

Mal (62:04)

Oh, I have no real personal issue. If I saw him, it wouldn't.

Rory (62:07)

I don't mean it wouldn't be like. I don't mean. I don't mean like that. I don't mean like that. I just mean even though somebody might do something you might not agree with, you can still come out and give them props. Even if they on you, you can still come out and give them props. Oh, I think that's what's respectable about you.

Mal (62:21)

I thought again post RBT interview that we did with him and then his. His comments with Head and Gina and then when he was in the crib with the smoke detector going crazy, which I can identify with. I thought that was corny as fuck. I thought all of that was corny as fuck. And I'll always feel that way. Like there'd be nothing that could change my mind on that being not one of the cornier things I've seen. Because I know the truth and I know what you're saying is the complete opposite. But you're an amazing rapper. This was great. You smoked that. Perfect timing. What a way to shine in a freestyle with nine other elite young MCs as well. Like. Like that's also tough to try to make your moments in a correct way. Like Rob Markman did reply and he said, yeah, you're trying to make your moment in a cipher with a bunch of other lyricists. Like, that's tough to shine. It's easy when you're in certain BT ciphers where everyone around you is probably makes good music, but they can't really rap like that. And you could really rap. You shine. It's tough to do it with. With 10 people here that are like that. So you have to find ways to do that. So I feel Massan on that entire thing trying to make a moment by saying Rob's name in revolt. But Rayvon did That. And it didn't feel like he was trying to make a moment. Felt like he was telling the truth of how he actually feels like that's tough to do. So I thought. Gabe, thank you. Thank you for continuing to highlight this type of shit, because there's not a lot of platforms out there doing that. And on top of that, I guarantee some of these artists have worked together already. I'm sure all of them are going to work together now, because even though they're all competitive, because, again, they're like that, you could see all of them just hyping each other up in the back and super excited to hear other people rap. I'm sure we're going to get a bunch of records with all these guys at some point. So these. These types of. Of moments are. Are good in that reason as well.

Rory (64:18)

Are there any that you would like to work with that. You. That. Okay. You said Swavy is already on the.

Mal (64:24)

He's on my project on his Jordan Ward record. I mean, Marlon, I produce. We have records out that I produce that are out now, and I. Yeah, I got a vote of. Of that, Marlon, and I have to do. But Larisi is really. Out of everybody on there, Larisi is the one I like the most.

Rory (64:44)

Okay.

Mal (64:45)

It's just something about. I followed him.

Rory (64:47)

Him.

Mal (64:48)

He ain't following me back, but I was gonna DM him, like, game, yo.

Rory (64:52)

Yeah, you should.

Mal (64:53)

You should.

Rory (64:54)

No go, like, three of his pictures.

Mal (64:55)

I. I don't know. I'm just kind of. That's. That's nasty. No, if anyone has a plug on Lareezi, I. I would. I would absolutely love to work. Absolutely love to have him up here as well. Again, I think I'm just a sucker for, like, the New Orleans accent, to me, is a instrument in itself. Like, it's the coolest accent.

Rory (65:12)

It really is my favorite.

Mal (65:13)

Like, they can drag everything that. That other. Even the way, like, Three Stacks utilizes his Atlanta accent so much to how he uses words, and he can pronounce things that we can't pronounce and make it rhyme. Yeah, that. That New Orleans is a cheat code. It's a cheat code. Even down to Wayne got so popular, y' all don't even realize how deep of a New Orleans accent that he has. But, yeah, you know, it made Birdman a good rapper.

Rory (65:40)

Hey, all right. Like, all right. It accents be cool because how Dej

Mal (65:46)

Juvenile is an instrument.

Rory (65:48)

How De Loaf rhyme? Try me with family,

Mal (65:53)

y'. All A never think about that family.

Rory (65:56)

How did nobody ever thought about that.

Mal (65:59)

All right. Chicken and egg theory. And we're biased, but a boogie to. To Dej Loaf. I do want to give her some credit. Dej Loaf is one of those that she's doing fine, but she's one of those that I, I also feel was a miscarriage of justice and how she was handled because I think that girl's a star. Yeah, I loved her music and she got a bunch of kids. She got a bunch of kids.

Rory (66:19)

She could come out today. And she was to come out today with nobody ever knowing the name Dej Loaf. She would be a megastar. She was before her time.

Mal (66:28)

Try me. I'll kill your whole family.

Rory (66:30)

She was before her time for sure.

Mal (66:32)

But she put out a project with John Quies last year.

Rory (66:35)

Okay.

Mal (66:35)

That had the single was. Was pretty big.

Rory (66:37)

I.

Mal (66:38)

When artists like that, I never think that their time will ever be up when you are actually like talented. And I really think Dejlov is. Is super talented.

Rory (66:46)

Weren't they fake Dayton at one point

Mal (66:48)

that I have no, zero clue about

Rory (66:51)

that was it Deja. It was Dej Loafing. They had like an industry relationship.

Mal (66:56)

But why like Dejloaf came to Palooza one time in. In la and you can just tell when someone's actually down to earth and like is a real human being and not some made up artist version of themselves. She came with, mind you, we in la. She came with like three of her Detroit aunties. Like was. There was no entourage, no nothing. It was just her, her and her. Her aunties from Detroit. Like, gorgeous. Oh, she's beautiful.

Rory (67:23)

She's gorgeous.

Mal (67:25)

Deja Love is beautiful and in person too, like, she looks great. Of course, everyone's respectful. Yeah. Mainly because the Detroit aunties I don't think would.

Rory (67:33)

Nah, they won't play that, but they won't play that.

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That's O d o o dot com. But thank God we're over this rapidly rap because Underground, who I've never heard of, put out their cipher on the same day and probably has double the views. Listen man, I can respect that. Hip hop has transcended to a whole new world and there's so many different outlets. I think that's really important. But I also can say that some of y' all stink.

Rory (72:49)

You played that? I said what the is this? Turn it off. It stinks. Turn it the off.

Mal (73:00)

For those that didn't see it, Underground Cipher is what it's called. Apparently this isn't the first one, but the timing was just so odd to just see the the the Bentley and the Chrysler of of rap happen with on the Radar. And again, no disrespect to Underground Cipher and no disrespect to any of these. These

Rory (73:21)

say artists.

Mal (73:22)

I don't want to say artists. People that have pro tools don't do that. People that have recording equipment.

Rory (73:32)

Art is subjective.

Mal (73:34)

Sometimes.

Rory (73:35)

No, always. Art is subjective. Them pictures Amara got hanging up by your fridge. Some people might say they stink, but you know that Amar is an artist.

Mal (73:46)

My daughter's three, Not a grown man pretending to be high and depressed.

Rory (73:52)

You think they presented. You don't think they're actually high and depressed?

Mal (73:55)

They're probably. Yeah, I would hope so.

Rory (73:57)

Were any of them nice? I made you cut it off two seconds in.

Mal (74:00)

Well, it started out with Captain Swag.

Rory (74:02)

Okay?

Mal (74:02)

Out of the. Out of the gate. And you know what? Half of this is Kanye's fault. And for the people that have not watched this, go watch this underground cipher 2026. Before you listen to the segment. 90% of it is Playboi Carti's fault. So that's the real person. And granted, I have said on this podcast, he deserved to be Grammy nominated for what he's done. I can see his accomplishments and respect what he has done with his fan base, but he also has ruined an entire generation to thinking that the bullshit that he makes, they could also make. Like. There's a lot of bad rappers out there that probably love sh ti gz. 50 artists that we love, they just sucked. Yeah, that happens. But now imagine an artist that sucks like Playboy McCarty. Imagine what his kids that can't make music sound like. And you get. You get the underground cipher of 2026. Oh, you on their ass, Matt. Proxy, you were the skinniest kid at fat camp.

Rory (75:04)

Okay, so he was. He was decent.

Mal (75:08)

He was. He was the. He was the. A girl you'd find pretty when the whole crew is just disgusting.

Rory (75:15)

Oh, like. Like.

Mal (75:16)

All right, well, I mean, if I'm

Rory (75:17)

here, Gun to my head, that's the

Mal (75:18)

only one that I would.

Rory (75:19)

Yeah, Gun to my head.

Mal (75:22)

Hollow tip hero was okay, I guess, but other than that, it was. It was. It was atrocious, which is. You said art is subjective. I'm allowed to say things are subject. Awful. Yeah, it was really like. I can see the art sometimes in Cardi. I couldn't find. I couldn't find a crayon in this box. God damn, too. Smiley went viral. Damaris. They used the microphone as decoration. It was like an accessory. Oh, the whole. Like. They were like. Yes. Oh, it wasn't a cipher. They were just. They were like, Playing their songs. Like, if we were all in a studio deal, half of them didn't even hold the microphone up to their mouth, which is whatever, but, like, just don't have a microphone. So, yes, half Playboy, Cardi's fault. But most of the beats sounded like. What was the intro to Yeezus that was supposed to be ironic. And again, I'm not. I'm fine. If people hate the intro to Yeezus on site, I. I will give Kanye some bail because it does break into, like, the sample shit in the middle and then back to the nonsense. And that was Kanye's purpose. There was purpose to get you ready. He's like, I could have started it with Blood on the Leaves. Everyone would love Yeezus. I was trying to make a statement, and if you disagree with that, that's fine. But I can at least appreciate the intention there. But I can also say that I feel like on site sounds like an array of auto Tune on farts. Like, if you were just far at a microphone and then just change the pitch, that's what all these beats sounded like. And it's all sounded like on site. So I don't know if it's Kanye's fault, Cardi's fault. I don't know whose fault it is, but I think we need. We need to guide our youth.

Rory (77:07)

Do you think it's possible to run out of ideas? Like, I remember when people were talking about all of the use of samples in rap now sampling. The sampling of the samples, right? Do you think that it's possible to just run out of new things to

Mal (77:21)

do do with the technology we have now with. With what you can do in Ableton and Logic, like when you were just dealing with ASRs and NPCs, like, there's only so many ways you could really chop a sample and come up with certain drum patterns. Now the way you can manipulate and change samples to the point that you wouldn't even recognize or know what somebody's sampling. No, there should be no reason with what we have Take out AI just in general, there should be no reason that every one of these people just sound like an awful version of Cardi or some other young rapper that has Auto Tune. But because it's so easy to do shit now, you get people like this that probably would have never made music had it not been so easy. But to the people that are very talented, I mean, yeah, with Ableton and everything, you could do pro tool, you could do whatever the fuck you want. Know if. Especially if you're talented I, I've talked about the way with, with, with Child. Child is a trained musician. I also call him a tech guy. Like he can play every instrument. Actually went to school. He's, he's like a little child prodigy when it comes to keyboards. But he turns into a tech guru when he gets into Ableton. Like, the sky is the limit. If you, who are actually talented with what he, he can do in Ableton, with his, his skill level, like, it's, it's insane. You've heard the beats I've made in Ableton. I shouldn't be able to make that beat. As long as, you know, like, if, if I didn't have Ableton. No, I don't have the, the brain capacity or the musical training to make some of the stuff that I make in Ableton. It, it makes it way easier. But it does allow you, if you don't have the musical talent but have a creative brain to find ways to make things that even trained musicians wouldn't make. Just not anything on the Underground Cipher. Do you want to see the Too Slimy do a little, little preview real quick?

Rory (79:22)

Sure.

Mal (79:22)

Let me see. Throwing the Too Slimy throw on that.

Rory (79:25)

Too Slimy is so funny. This is what happens when you make drugs. I mean, when you make music on methamphetamine, methamphetamines mixed with like cough syrup or my. I don't know what they're doing because

Mal (79:45)

when we had Molly back on, we back.

Rory (79:47)

We had Molly, we had good music. When we had cocaine, we had good music. Heroin, good music. What is this?

Mal (79:53)

What is the drug, K2 man? Because I, I know there's plenty of artists that, that make good music off perks. It's, it's, it's the, the drug, the Internet that. He didn't go in that studio to try to make a song that sounds good. He's trying to do something to go viral. I don't think any of these kids are stupid. I think they understand the Internet and they know if they are really, really bad, they'll make a moment. I don't think any of them thought this was dope. I don't think anyone in there went, yo, we killed that. I think everyone there is at the understanding that we are Internet personalities. We're not artists. We're trying to make as many moments as we can. We're going to be lit on, on, on tick tock. We're gonna be laughed at in an ironic way. I really, I really don't think any of them sat there and went like, yo, we killed it.

Rory (80:38)

Do you think any of them are good and they're using like. They're doing like the doja cat I'm a cow thing so that they go viral for being so bad. Then they release good music.

Mal (80:46)

Matt Proxy if. If anything. And I don't wanna again skinniest kid at fat camp. Matt's first part was kind of cool and a hollow tip. Hero wasn't like the worst. I. I don't know. I can't say Captain Swag. I liked Lil B, so I can't even like, hate that much on him. But it was a bad version of LB. But even then, Lil B was this in 05. We were looking at Lil B this way, but I was like, he kind of nice on in a weird way, but at least he, you know, sort of wrapped. This is. I just don't think these guys should be in a cipher.

Rory (81:28)

No.

Mal (81:29)

Maybe that's to get off the lawn in me, but I just don't just put out your music.

Rory (81:33)

The lawn. The lawn being hip hop. You gatekeeping. You can't do that as Black History Month.

Mal (81:41)

I feel like Rayvon would also feel the same way about these gentlemen.

Rory (81:45)

Okay, so it's okay as long as Ray Vaughn agrees.

Mal (81:47)

He's the gatekeeper. But do we have voicemails? These are sponsored by Boost. You've got mail.

Listener Caller (82:00)

Hey, what's up, y'?

Mal (82:00)

All?

Listener Caller (82:00)

Shout out to everybody. I love the pod. I'm about to talk really fast to get all of this in. Okay, so, boom. I have a term, loosely, homegirl. Within the past two or three years, we had hung out two or three times. Okay. It was never that deep past, I would say four or five months.

Mal (82:14)

Months.

Listener Caller (82:14)

We've hung out way more than we ever have in the past. Why you ask? It's because of her. Okay, so, boom. She let me know a while ago her is polyamorous, whatever the that means. Okay, he got a wife. She the girlfriend. It's some other on the side. It's a lot going on. All of it is not my business. I don't give a damn. We go out, we get tricked on, we have fun. She made it clear to me, he kind of like you.

Rory (82:32)

Whatever. I'm like, I'm cool.

Listener Caller (82:34)

Whatever. Apparently he only has sex with the wife. Okay. Apparently he's not trying to fuck nobody. He just like having bitches around. Okay, okay, whatever.

Rory (82:42)

He flirts. It's cool.

Listener Caller (82:43)

Da da da da. Fast forward to recently. He is making it clear, like, listen, I'm not really fucking with her, you know, don't feel like you gotta just only hang out with me when she's around. Only reason I really, you know, invite her or let her come around is cause I know y' all gonna come too. All right, so, boom. She's making it seem like she kind of would prefer for us to all hang out together. Cause I got another homegirl that he like. My other homegirl, too, but as of recently, we've been hanging out, spending time with him. I'm not gonna lie, bitch. I'm having a blast without this bitch.

Rory (83:12)

Okay?

Listener Caller (83:12)

And. And she's really not my homegirl like that. But a part of me still kind of feel like, damn, I should kind of let her know. But he's like, no, don't let her know. It's none of her business. But she be down bad about this, man. So I don't know. Am I wrong? Should I keep her in the loop or should I keep this bitch out of my business? Same way I stayed out of hers.

Rory (83:28)

I don't know. Okay.

Listener Caller (83:30)

And just a little bit of extra backstory on the message that I just left. The other homegirl specifically asked her, because I was not really going to be into it. The other homegirl specifically asked her, are you okay with us exploring him without you? Those were her exact words. And she said, yes. Have fun. Have a blast. But you know how bitches lie. So that's the only reason that we even started hanging out with him without her, because she gave the green light. But now it's starting to feel like maybe she does not feel that way.

Rory (84:01)

I don't know. Well, that played perfectly into the conversation we had. What a great circle back.

Mal (84:07)

That's. No. I was like, I got my answer. I didn't know this world existed. Exploring. What a poetic way to put that.

Rory (84:16)

Tell me she exploring my.

Mal (84:17)

I'm interested in exploring the man that you were with. I'll stay out of women's business to start.

Rory (84:25)

You wrong. You wrong, pool. And here's. Here's my thing. It's okay to be wrong, but you got to learn how to stand out being wrong. What I heard in this message is you giving a bunch of excuses. This for why you wrong. Just be wrong. Stand on your wrongness and say that you value the potential of having fun with this more than you value that girl or any potential friendship with her. What I will say is, if he is the type of. That if, you know, he. She down bad about him, he know she down bad about him. He was messing with her outside of the wife. Whatever he was messing with her and is willing to be disloyal to her, her to with you and the other homegirl. Please know that your time is coming. It just ain't here yet. He's not a loyal person and you should never on somebody for a disloyal person because it is eventually going to be your turn and then you will lose both of them. First of all, she's a cool because she didn't have to bring you around her. She, you, you, she know her type. She didn't have to bring you around, she bought you around you getting free drinks, free food, having a time, all this, all that. She didn't have to do that. That and you going to go and spit in her face by going hanging with this behind her back even if she said it was okay. You know that he has other intentions. He's saying disloyal about her to you like he ain't really with her like that. Nah. But if you're not going to be a standup, stand on it. But just know that you're not a stand up and you got to go to sleep with every night. Some people do that every night. They don't have no problem with it. Me personally, I can't. I ain't judging you. But don't try to make it seem like what it's not. Not the facts are the facts. You wrong.

Mal (85:58)

Do you give any credence to her saying that's not like really her friend?

Rory (86:03)

That's cool. It don't matter though.

Mal (86:05)

Cuz I've also heard you say before like don't. Don't let your friends stand in the way of your soulmate.

Rory (86:13)

I ain't never said that. What I said was don't let your boyfriend get in the way of your husband. That's what I said.

Mal (86:19)

All right.

Rory (86:19)

So friends, my friends could stand in the middle of anything, but okay. Me and you have. You've introduced me to women who I became cool with right off the strength of you. We might not be the best of friends, closest of friends, but I've become cool with them off of strength of you.

Mal (86:32)

Yeah.

Rory (86:32)

There's certain shit I just wouldn't do just because we cool. You know what I'm saying? I don't, I don't know, like there's certain people I wouldn't date without because if I have to go look you in your face and I'm feel awkward about it, then I need to have a conversation with you about something. If we're never gonna cross paths again and this could Never be a thing. Then that's different. That girl invited you out with her and her man. She might value you more than you value her. The game is simple. She might value you more than you value her, but at the end of the day, she valued you enough to bring you around her man. I'm sure y' all text each other. I'm sure y' all have had conversations. So, yeah, you might not look at her as a close friend, but you ain't have no problem acting like you was her close friend when you was eating and digging in her nigga pockets. Eating, having drinks, hookah, all that.

Mal (87:16)

I mean, does that. You're right. I'm just looking from her perspective. She does not think that person is a friend like that. Like, I'm not supposed to get afraid like, you invited me. All right, cool.

Rory (87:27)

No, but it's not about the free. It's about the fact that that man want to with her and he will. He like, I just want to hang out with you. I only bring her around because so. Because I know you was coming. That's disloyal. I don't care if it's your best.

Mal (87:37)

Oh, no. Both of them are dirtbags. I want to make that very clear. Yeah, I'm just saying she. How she views it because you only know what you. No. If she doesn't view that person really as her friend at that point, I guess the game is the game.

Rory (87:52)

Yeah, the game is the game. But don't try to make yourself feel better about the game being the game. The game is the game. Stand on it. I know you have second thoughts and you know that it's wrong because you called in and asked our opinion, you know, on the side, you know that that's wrong. But it. It. Everything else is more of. More value to you. I've done shit that I knew was wrong, but it was because what I was doing, I was wrong. Had more value to me than what I was going to lose. Did it come back and me in my ass? Yes. But I gotta stand on that and say I was wrong. I knew I was wrong.

Mal (88:20)

I was conceived because the game is the game.

Rory (88:22)

Yeah, for sure.

Mal (88:24)

My mother was living with the chick. My dad was it. The game is the game.

Rory (88:28)

The game is the game.

Mal (88:29)

I'm just saying that some people don't view it. If that's not really your friend, it's not the case. But yeah, you both. But I don't know, if you guys end up falling in love, does that even matter? 20 years down the line, that Little interaction person. We don't even speak to that girl no more.

Rory (88:44)

He has a wife. Is it has.

Mal (88:47)

Everyone's a dirt.

Rory (88:48)

Poly. He's poly. But the. Okay. He has a what? That's. The people don't even know what polly means. But he has a wife and a side chick.

Mal (88:55)

But the wife knows because he's popping.

Rory (88:57)

Yes. But he's being disloyal to the side chick. For the side chick's friends. That's the man that you're gonna fall. Poly means everybody's dating each other and that's not what's happening. But you think that that type of person that would do that is going to be little would fall in love with you later on.

Mal (89:12)

Oh, no. I think what you said before, like the clock's gonna be on her at some point as well. But I don't know if you have the poly mindset would. Is he just not trying to get his. His. His tribe like it takes a village.

Rory (89:24)

Is it? Yeah.

Mal (89:27)

I've never. I don't Never been poly. I don't know the poly rules. Is it cheating if he fucks the other friend? Like, yes, he's in two relationships.

Rory (89:37)

Yes, it's cheating.

Mal (89:38)

Got you. Okay.

Rory (89:38)

Poly requires everybody. If I'm not mistaken, everybody's all in one relationship.

Mal (89:42)

An open relationship would be you're allowed to just sleep with them.

Rory (89:44)

What he's. What he's. What he's doing is non monogamy and it's not ethical because he's not being completely honest.

Mal (89:51)

Got you.

Rory (89:51)

Ethical. Non monogamy is when everybody know is aware of everything that's going on. All parties are aware of what's going on. He's sneaking behind shorty back. That or trying to. But then she said that he don't like other women and, you know, they just partying. I don't know.

Mal (90:03)

That's why I can't. That's why I can't with. With this guy either. Because a friend of ours who won't be named was in a poly relationship and she was with this dude for a while. Like they had went to sex clubs together. They had. They had had a pretty good romance with other people and were fine with what was going on. And he went behind her back to fuck another girl and she was like, you're in. All you have to do is tell me, like, that's why I can't fuck with people. That how you cheat in a poly relationship. All you have to do is just tell your girl, I'm gonna go sleep with this person. And you. You still sneaking? That makes no sense to me. If you are given the gift of your girl saying, go sleep safely with whoever you want to sleep with, just keep me abreast of what's going on. How could you that up?

Rory (90:55)

Because most people aren't aware of why they're. They're not aware of why they. Or why they want to. Other people. If you don't know the real reason why you're doing something, then you'll never be able to be honest about it because you don'. Even know why you're actually doing it. Most people don't cheat because they just want some new.

Mal (91:11)

No, no. For sure.

Rory (91:12)

It has so much to do with ego. Some people are addicted to thrill. Some the lying provides a thrill that you don't get. Nothing's fun if you. If you have to be all out on the table with it, it's not fun.

Mal (91:21)

Oh my. I think the complete opposite.

Rory (91:24)

I know, But a lot of people.

Mal (91:25)

No stress.

Rory (91:26)

No, Like a lot of people are not aware.

Mal (91:28)

Cuz even in that. And don't quote me, I believe it was with a girl that they both had slept with or was part of whatever.

Rory (91:35)

Like she was like he was linking with someone that was attached to her without her knowing. Yeah.

Mal (91:40)

And to me, that's like. Yeah, that's kind of nuts.

Rory (91:43)

Yeah.

Mal (91:44)

I don't. Just say it.

Rory (91:46)

You're going out of your way to be disloyal.

Mal (91:48)

Yeah. Especially when your girl would just be like, all right, cool, y' all have fun.

Rory (91:52)

Or maybe not. But there's a million to 18 other girls that you can sleep with. Why do you want the one that you can't? Which is why I say people don't know why they're cheating. If it's just about sex, there's a million to 18 girls you can sleep with. This one just happens to be attached to me and my friend, you can't sleep with her, but that's the one that you really want. It's not about the sex. You go to therapy.

Mal (92:10)

Yeah, but that's why I don't even think I could even do like a throuple thing at all. Because now you're dealing with people's egos and who's hanging out with who. I don't know. The poly world again. It makes sense to me. I understand that plenty of people, rightfully so, feel like they don't want to be with the same person, want to do it in a safe and honest way, but it sounds like too many personalities in one place. I. I Don't. Like. I don't think Neo is growing his hair back. I think he's more stressed. Like, I. I don't think Neil's life has gotten easier. It's probably gotten more exciting easier.

Rory (92:44)

No, dealing with people's emotions is a lot. I could not imagine dealing with multiple emotions.

Mal (92:49)

It's fun on a vacation if you want to have three girlfriends for a week, but for light. Oh, my God.

Rory (92:55)

A week is a long time.

Mal (92:57)

Very long time.

Rory (92:57)

Yo, when you got somebody. Another. Another. I don't want you. What? Oh, my God, Please.

Mal (93:09)

Like, Boost doesn't have enough data.

Rory (93:11)

Yo, you never answered my question. But before we wrap up. Now that mall isn't here to laugh. You feel like I'd be being mean to you? The fans keep saying I talk to you. Like.

Mal (93:20)

No, I don't think that whatsoever. No.

Rory (93:22)

Okay. I do talk to you, like, sometimes, though. But that's because I love.

Mal (93:25)

I know our. They don't know our relationship, so. So, no, I don't respect you.

Rory (93:29)

I shouldn't talk to you like that, cuz you my boss.

Mal (93:31)

No, we're friends. And I'm totally fine with it. And a lot of it is. Is Mike. But then again, you are mean to me. Off Mike. So I was.

Rory (93:40)

I a wanna. I. I was.

Mal (93:42)

Yeah.

Rory (93:42)

Just on a mic.

Mal (93:43)

Yeah. No, I don't. I don't feel any type of way.

Rory (93:45)

I give you tough love. I give you tough love that you need.

Mal (93:47)

I can see more with the arguments you and Maul have. I know that that's just how we argue here, here. But I could see that.

Rory (93:55)

Well, me and Ma be about to

Mal (93:56)

swing on each other, but I see that way more than, like, when you're mean to me. I'd be laughing at that. Like, I don't. I don't really care.

Rory (94:01)

Yeah.

Mal (94:02)

You've never been nice to me.

Rory (94:04)

That is not true. When Amara was, like, baking, and then when she was born, I was very nice to you.

Mal (94:11)

You did drop well. I mean, you're already on the way to the house, but you. You dropped what you were doing to watch Basley when. When Amar was born. Stayed there. Yeah. All right. It's only a nice thing. You gotta be nicer to Peach. That's really it.

Rory (94:26)

Will you be talking over me? I'd be like, yo, Peach, what's good with him? He cool. He keep talking over me for.

Mal (94:31)

Because I'm like. I just.

Rory (94:33)

I can't say that word.

Mal (94:36)

I sometimes think I'm gonna forget my thought and I just say it. I blur it. Out. It's Tourette's. You sweat. Not the same. Yeah, it's hot as.

Rory (94:43)

Yeah, yeah, I'm sweating. God damn, I make you nervous?

Mal (94:46)

No, it did not make me nervous.

Rory (94:47)

Okay?

Mal (94:48)

I have not the same Tourette's that were yelled at Michael B. Jordan. But yeah, maybe I have, bruh.

Rory (94:53)

Let me tell you.

Mal (94:53)

Maybe I have some Tourette's.

Rory (94:55)

I'm sick because I'm sorry. But sometimes racism is funny to me. Like, sometimes racism, especially when it doesn't really harm anyone, racism is funny to me because when I watched that clip, I didn't know what to expect. So when I just heard he shouted, I was like, oh, my God. Caught me off guard.

Mal (95:10)

I don't know how they kept us straight. Not funny. But imagine standing at that podium and just hearing someone yell the heart. Like, what the. And then having to read the prompter. Like, no, it's not funny, but it's nuts to think about, like, hilarious. You just sitting there, you in your suit, everything getting ready for timing, and you just hear that from stage left. That is. It's insane.

Rory (95:36)

And here go. Here go to. People don't be able. Because people are like, well, his ass don't need to go. Like, if. If your Tourette's. If your tick is shouting slurs, you don't need to be at a certain event. They like. Nah, that's ableist. No, the. It's not. Because whenever I've seen people with ticks for, like, Tourette's, it don't never got nothing to do with the situation. That shit was too. The context was perfect.

Mal (95:57)

Yeah. And again, I don't know enough about Tourette's, but I feel like your ticks come from somewhere. They don't just pop up at a. Who was the girl that went viral? Which she was like, little baby dicks and, like, was doing this to Cuomo.

Rory (96:11)

Baby Dick Bailey.

Mal (96:12)

Yeah, she. She's hilarious. But there's no way that she hasn't heard the term little baby dicks in a British accent added. Like. She didn't create that. Yeah, whoever yelled that out, somebody told him that word.

Rory (96:25)

Somebody told. No, he meant that the context is too perfect. You. He didn't say that when Cameron Diaz was up at the podium. He said it when them two black ass was up there. You meant what you said. You meant exactly what the. You said. That is.

Mal (96:40)

Was the person white? Yes.

Rory (96:42)

You thought it was a black person yelling at.

Mal (96:44)

I don't know. No, I've heard Charleston white say it.

Rory (96:47)

No, that was a white man.

Mal (96:49)

I Thought it was Charleston. White in the crowd.

Rory (96:51)

No, it was a white man, bro. His ass needs to stay home.

Mal (96:56)

Okay, again, I didn't want to be ableist.

Rory (96:58)

That's not.

Mal (96:59)

If I have Tourette's, maybe an award show isn't my best.

Rory (97:02)

Well, he was there because there was a movie based loosely based on him or inspired by him or whatever that was nominated. Which makes sense. Right? That makes sense. However certain ticks. If you have Tourette's, you have Tourette's. You deserve to be there. Like you're an advocate for it. Whatever. If your Tourette's are slurs again, I just say maybe you should stay your ass home. It just makes sense.

Mal (97:24)

Take him to the bathroom when Michael B. Jordan's up there. Just something. But clearly his impulse was based off what he was looking at.

Rory (97:30)

And it's possible to be disabled and racist at the same time. That all one does not not negate the other one.

Mal (97:37)

Yeah, there's. There's white gay men that are racist. That is I find hilarious. Like how are you. You're racist child.

Rory (97:46)

And be trying to be just like us. They talk just like me, but out of rhythm.

Mal (97:51)

That's funny to say that that Tourette's would ever cause someone not to be racist. Like there's no way someone could be racist and have Tourette's.

Rory (98:00)

That's yo being racist with Tourette. The that will come if you were racist. The that comes out of your mouth just walking down the street in New York City. Oh my God.

Mal (98:11)

The racist people without Tourette's. Yellow.

Rory (98:13)

Exactly. That's cr. Yeah, he needs the. They gave like a.

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Rory (98:18)

What killed me is there was a two hour delay on the show. Why y' all ain't cut that out?

Mal (98:21)

I didn't even know that it was not live. It was not like a rollout. Man. That's for the movie.

Rory (98:27)

Movie.

Mal (98:27)

Because now I'm gonna go watch this Tourette's movie.

Rory (98:29)

Well, now that's super disrespectful because you are disrespecting two amazing actors for a rollout.

Mal (98:39)

Welcome to Hollywood.

Rory (98:40)

Very true.

Mal (98:43)

In the uk.

Rory (98:43)

Can you give me a ride home?

Mal (98:47)

I have to stream.

Rory (98:48)

Oh, you have to stream. I'm so sorry.

Mal (98:51)

I had a stream. Y' all like, you know, what are

Rory (98:53)

you gonna do on the stream? Do you even know how to stream? What are you gonna do in the stream?

Mal (98:55)

Stream? We're going to listen to other people's music.

Rory (98:59)

Okay.

Mal (99:00)

I think that's the plan.

Rory (99:02)

But yeah, I'll send you a album for you to check out Felicity Temple.

Mal (99:07)

Okay.

Rory (99:07)

Or Felicia Temple. I might be disrespecting her.

Mal (99:10)

The singer?

Rory (99:11)

Yeah. Yeah. I mean I didn't know you listened to her.

Mal (99:16)

She's like lowkey, a legend but yeah, you just pronounced her name wrong.

Rory (99:22)

Felicia Temple. A soft place to land her latest album.

Mal (99:25)

Yeah, I haven't listened to her latest album, but yeah, no, she's. Yeah, she's incredible. Like did she was been a hook queen. She's. She's amazing. I think she lives out here.

Rory (99:35)

Oh wow. You should link her for your next album.

Mal (99:39)

I mean it's done.

Rory (99:40)

So you keep saying. So you keep telling us. I love when men lie to me.

Mal (99:45)

We can get out of here.

Rory (99:49)

No worrying now.

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