Episode 460 | I'm a Caveman

Summary

New Rory & MAL Episode 460 | "I'm a Caveman" – Detailed Summary

Date: February 26, 2026
Podcast: New Rory & Mal
Hosts: Rory, Mal, Peach (+ Jamil as a guest)
Episode Theme:
This episode unpacks new stories and candid laughs, featuring a lively debate on group chat texting, the ethics of “ghost texting,” an in-depth review of Baby Keem’s “Casino” album, the fraught search for “new leaders” in hip hop, and entertaining takes on the T.I. & 50 Cent rap beef as well as the reality of “hall passes” in long-term relationships.

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1. Warm Welcome and Catching Up (02:45–04:44)

Main Points:

• Jamil returns to NYC after a visit to Virginia.
• Banter about southern vs. northern culture, the Mason-Dixon line, and dating norms in the South.
• Quick laughs about kids’ birthday parties and gaming with younger relatives.

Notable Quotes:

• Mall: “They tried to keep me [in the South]. Can’t keep a good dude down.” (02:58)
• Peach: “In the South, they do that weird. They get married at 19, you know how they do that?” (04:13)
• Rory: “That’s on them, though. I’m looking at the South like country bumpkins.” (04:57)

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2. The Epidemic of Ghost Texting and ChatGPT in Dating (05:50–09:16)

Key Discussion:

• The group debates people using ChatGPT or friends to craft texts, especially in romantic contexts.
• The authenticity of online personas and the pitfalls of someone’s friend “ghostwriting” their texts.
• Gender double standards in texting help.

Memorable Moments:

• Peach: “He went to chat GBT, got his words together, and came up with ‘I missed you.’” (05:50)
• Mall: “I know when your homegirl got your phone. I just said, Tasha, cut it out. Give her her phone back.” (06:27)
• Rory: “What if she was more interesting over text than in person because it was her homegirl’s personality?” (08:49)
• Mall: “If I find that out, me and your homegirl got more in common. I wanna play her album, not yours.” (08:49)

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3. Dating, Personality & Realness (09:16–11:12)

Topics:

• Would you date a person with a boring personality if the physical attraction is strong?
• The importance of humor and matching interests in long-term compatibility.
• Wish for more granular filters on dating apps, e.g., matching based on favorite shows like “Curb Your Enthusiasm.”

Highlight:

• Mall: “If it’s a cute girl that watches Curb, I’m never leaving you.” (10:35)
• Peach: “I want to know where all the chicks that like Curb in New York City are…” (11:01)

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4. Revisiting Monday’s Episode & Simba/Game Drama (12:01–16:38)

Recap:

• While Mall was away, the crew discussed rapper Simba’s claim that The Game DMed his baby mother right after a social media post, despite being his “big homie.”
• The group debates boundaries among friends, what counts as “foul,” and how men feel about women they're dating being courted by friends.

Notable Quotes:

• Mall: “That’s nasty. Following your girl. As soon as I post her? He followed her and DMed her.” (13:53)
• Peach: “If I brought a girl in here and one of y’all DMed her, I would find that nasty.” (15:13)
• Mall: “While you’re currently with her, nah I’m not doing that... But if you throw that ball over the fence and I just happen to be jogging in the park…” (16:07)

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5. Baby Keem "Casino" Album Review & The “Caveman” Bar Debate (17:10–32:34)

Deep Dive:

• Mall and Peach compare opinions on Baby Keem’s new album.
• Mall finds the production strong, but the bars and vocal delivery too simplistic: “elementary.”
• The “I’m a caveman, boo hoo” line becomes the prime example of a bar that turned Mall off.
• Peach praises the improved storytelling and content on tracks like “I’m Not a Lyricist” and “Highway 95, Pt. 2.”
• Spirited debate on what makes an album replayable, how Keem measures against peers (JID, in particular), and the expectations for younger artists.

Notable Quotes:

• Mall: “I just don’t like the way he says things... I can’t replay that.” (18:39)
• Mall: “Can I name the bar that made me turn it off?... ‘I’m a caveman, boohoo.’” (24:14)
• Peach: “Matter of fact, the worst verse on this album is from Kendrick Lamar.” (26:06)
• Rory: “I think that Baby Keem has some talent. But... I won’t be going to revisit it that much. There’s a couple songs on there that I like, but it won’t be something that I’ll play on repeat.” (27:02)
• Mall: “If you got room for Baby Keem for the caveman, boohoo, I respect your bubble.” (32:23)

Timestamps:

• Mall’s review start: (17:13)
• “Caveman, boohoo” discussion: (18:39, 24:14)
• Peer comparison (Keem, JID, etc): (20:17–22:42)
• Kendrick verse comment: (26:06)

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6. Spotify x Rap Caviar’s "Hip Hop Needs New Leaders" Campaign (36:49–44:53)

Topics:

• Discussion of Spotify’s recent campaign highlighting new “leaders” in hip hop including Baby Keem, Glorilla, Dochi, Central Cee, Sexyy Red, Rod Wave, Lil Tecca, and Big X the Plug.
• Hosts critique the list, suggesting omissions (JID, Don Toliver), question the selection criteria, and note “machine” influence behind the picks.
• Critique on “lazy” industry marketing and the fragmentation of audiences/genres.

Key Quotes:

• Peach: “This is Rap Caviar’s NBA ‘face of the league’ debate.” (45:04)
• Mall: “Don Toliver needs to be on this list. He has better music than 90% of this list.” (42:07)
• Mall: “I just don’t think the talent level is high... It’s a lot of people we only listen to because there ain’t shit else.” (56:08)

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7. Media vs Streaming Platforms: Who Drives Discovery & "Fragmentation" (46:35–62:36)

Major Points:

• The declining role of media and blogs in music discovery as streaming platforms/algorithms take full control.
• Reflection on generational changes, how today’s podcast fans aren’t necessarily music fans.
• The shifting definition of “impact” for younger artists—arena sales, TikTok virality.

Highlights:

• Peach: “You guys are controlling the discovery now... there’s no more Soundcloud rabbit hole.” (47:07)
• Mall: “This ain’t on media. This is the lack of talent.” (48:24)

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8. R&B’s “New Leaders” and Longstanding Acts (49:23–52:39)

Discussion:

• Briefly pivots to R&B, with suggestions like Mariah the Scientist, Leon Thomas, Brent Faiyaz, Sailor, and debates whether longevity should preclude an artist from being a “new leader.”
• Whether someone like Kehlani or Daniel Caesar, who have been active for years, fit this “new leader” label.

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9. Hall Passes & Monogamy (81:47–95:01)

Listener Voicemail:

• A married listener asks when/if the “hall pass” conversation should come up in a marriage.
• Panel weighs the risks—insecurities, jealousy, the reality that a woman might seamlessly connect with another man, and men might struggle to re-enter “the game.”
• Majority opinion: Hall passes rarely solve marital monotony, are often asymmetric in desire, and can plant unnecessary seeds of doubt.

Highlights:

• Peach: “You’re whispering in your bathroom recording this so your wife doesn’t hear it.” (82:53)
• Mall: “It’s never good knowing your partner slept with somebody. That’s not a good feeling.” (83:17)
• Peach: “You could really waste your hall pass on busting in 30 seconds... she could be getting her back blown out.” (88:46)
• Rory: “If you get a taste of the streets... you’re going to love her more.” (93:38)

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10. Sex Club & Swinger Club Real Talk (95:01–99:02)

Key Points:

• Dispel myths about “nudist beaches” and swinger clubs being full of beautiful people—the reality is mixed.
• Concerns about hygiene, safety, and the sanitized reality of organized sex events.
• Ends with humor about clean paperwork, “clean bill of rights,” and Maul’s germaphobia.

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11. Closing and Final Thoughts

• The show closes out with signature playful banter and a reminder of the unique chemistry and honesty that drives Rory & Mal’s podcast.

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Key Timestamps Index

• Ghost texting & ChatGPT: 05:50–09:16
• Baby Keem “Casino” Album Review: 17:10–32:34
• Spotify’s “New Leaders”: 36:49–45:04
• Media, Streaming, Talent: 46:35–62:36
• R&B New Leaders Discussion: 49:23–52:39
• Hall Pass Debate: 81:47–95:01
• Sex/Swinger Club Real Talk: 95:01–99:02

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Notable Quotes Snapshot

• Mall: “If you got room for Baby Keem for the caveman, boohoo, I respect your bubble.” (32:23)
• Peach: “You could really waste your hall pass on busting in 30 seconds... she could be getting her back blown out.” (88:46)
• Rory: “If you get a taste of the streets, you’re going to love her more.” (93:38)
• Mall: “This ain’t on media. This is the lack of talent.” (48:24)
• Peach: “He went to chat GBT, got his words together, and came up with ‘I missed you.’” (05:50)
• Mall: “If it’s a cute girl that watches Curb, I’m never leaving you.” (10:35)

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Tone & Style:
Genuine, playful, irreverent, candid, with on-brand back-and-forths, jokes, and unfiltered opinions.

Why Listen?
This episode blends sharp hot takes, real-deal music nerding, hilariously honest relationship confessions, and the kind of group chat energy that has made New Rory & Mal a mainstay for hip hop fans and pop culture listeners alike.

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Skip the rest, but if you want hip hop debates, dating truths, and a good laugh, don't miss this one.

Transcript

[Rory]

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[Peach]

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[Rory]

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[Peach]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

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[Peach]

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[Rory]

No warrior now.

[Peach]

No conductor,

[Rory]

no worry.

[Peach]

And Ma.

[Mall]

Warrior. Ma.

[Peach]

We are back. Welcome back to our good brother Jamil.

[Mall]

A good brother.

[Peach]

He is back in the tri state area. We thought we lost him to the south, man. Oh, we lost him to the snow.

[Mall]

I'm saying they tried to keep me. Can't Keep a good dude down.

[Peach]

But. But he, he booked a flight on his Boost Mobile phone and he got back thanks to Boost Unlimited Talk Text.

[Mall]

You got to be able to talk and text the airlines.

[Peach]

Yeah, that's, that's how you were able to book the flight when everyone, everyone else was scrambling.

[Mall]

Did Boost Mobile got me back to nyc?

[Peach]

That is. Print that. That's a fact.

[Mall]

That's a fact.

[Peach]

Print it. Well, how was, how was your time away?

[Mall]

It was great.

[Peach]

Did the snow hit you?

[Mall]

Did the snow hit me?

[Peach]

Like, where you were at?

[Mall]

Nah, it was, it was just, you know, airlines were shut down because of, you know, the weather here. But it was cool, though. I had a good time with the family man, you know, got to see the fan for the weekend. Weather was actually decent in. In Virginia. Actually. Saturday, the day of my nephew's birthday was probably the best weather they had in a while. So kind of worked out perfect.

[Peach]

I saw. Were you gaming?

[Mall]

No, they. The kids were.

[Peach]

I wasn't sure if you stepped in. I saw some. I saw, like the recap.

[Mall]

Nah, man.

[Peach]

Recap of the party.

[Mall]

I can't. I can't because, you know, you sit down, all these new games. I haven't played maddening years. I haven't played 2K in years. Like, I, I wasn't about to have no 10 year olds beat me in no games, talking shit all day.

[Peach]

So look like there was a lot of kids there that may or may not have single moms. Did you, did you meet anyone? Did you mingle?

[Rory]

Like, what.

[Peach]

What was your.

[Mall]

No, down there, it's all like two family houses.

[Peach]

I forgot. Yeah. In the south, they, they, they do that. Weird.

[Mall]

They get married in 19. You know how they do that?

[Peach]

High school sweethearts.

[Mall]

And it's not the south, it's Virginia.

[Rory]

It's. It's south from here, but it's not the South.

[Mall]

Well, that's what I mean.

[Peach]

People from Virginia would be mad at you if you said they weren't from the South.

[Rory]

No, they would be mad if you said from Richmond. They would be mad if you.

[Peach]

People from North Carolina and lower would get mad at you for saying Virginia is the South. But people from Virginia think they're from the South.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Peach]

Technically, the Mason Dixon Line is below Maryland.

[Mall]

Exactly.

[Peach]

Technically, D.C. is the South. If you want to. If you want to go by the

[Rory]

Constitution, they'll be in your DMs cussing you out, calling them from the South.

[Mall]

Why do people. But why do people get mad at that, though? I don't know, like why do you get mad if you say you date from the South? Like, why. Why are you mad at that?

[Rory]

Like, because they're not. They don't. They look at the south like country bumpkins, and they don't think that they're a part of that.

[Mall]

Oh, but that's a. That's on them, though. I'm looking at the south like country bumpkins.

[Peach]

I know some country bumpkins in New Jersey right now.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's a fact. From South Jersey, definitely.

[Peach]

That's not just, like, subjective to the South? There's. There's country bumpkins in the north as well, for sure. Whole Appalachian Mountains. Is that.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Peach]

But I mean, if you go by the Civil War, which we all do, naturally. Baltimore's in the South.

[Mall]

Yeah. Come on, man. I was below the Mason Dixon, Baby D. So I was in the South.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Peach]

But we're happy to have you back.

[Mall]

Thank you, man.

[Peach]

Good to see you.

[Mall]

How was the energy? Y' all missed me?

[Peach]

Yeah, of course we did.

[Mall]

Did you miss me, baby D? Of course I missed you.

[Rory]

No, you didn't.

[Mall]

I did.

[Rory]

No, you didn't.

[Mall]

How you telling me who I missed?

[Rory]

You ain't called me.

[Mall]

That don't mean I ain't miss you. Maybe I just wasn't ready to talk.

[Rory]

Damn. Like the rest of them niggas. Welcome back, Mom.

[Peach]

He didn't want to be too overbearing with his love.

[Mall]

I just wasn't ready to talk. I didn't know I had a word yet. You know what I'm saying? I had a word. I didn't know what to say yet, Baby D. That's all.

[Peach]

He went to chat GBT got his words together, yo. And came up with, I missed you.

[Rory]

There's an epidemic of people doing that, and it pisses me off.

[Mall]

Doing what?

[Rory]

Asking chat GBT to send a text for them.

[Peach]

That's crazy.

[Rory]

It happens a lot that.

[Peach]

No.

[Mall]

Chat and CBT send a text.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, to word out. Like, oh, how should I text?

[Peach]

But that could only work with a new person. I feel like. Like, if I've been texting you for 10 years, and all of a sudden now you sound like the most articulate human being ever. I'm gonna know. Like. Yeah, like, you don't. You don't form your thoughts this well.

[Mall]

Yeah. You can't do that to me. You can't get that over me. I know when you. I know when your homegirl is texting for you.

[Peach]

Fact. See, that was the original chat.

[Mall]

I know when your homegirl got your phone. I just Said, tasha, cut it out. Give her her phone back.

[Peach]

You don't even know the word reciprocity.

[Mall]

Yeah, like, yo, cut it out. Cut this shit. Like, give her her phone back. This ain't her. I already know she's sitting right next to you crying like, give her her phone back.

[Rory]

I be getting some shit off on my friend's phone.

[Mall]

I know y' all do. All women have done that before. Nah, say this. Say this.

[Peach]

What you mean, say this.

[Mall]

Yo, say, nah, tell him this. Give her her phone back, man. Let me curse her out and then watch her stutter.

[Rory]

I only. I like doing it when they're like. When they're talking to a new guy, they'll hit me like, oh, my God, he said this. Like, what should I say? And I give him some fly shit to say back.

[Mall]

I want to hear Baby D's fly shit.

[Peach]

Okay, but if a man did that, how would you feel? Like, imagine we're getting to know each other, and then you find out that first week where I was saying all that fly shit. You found out Maul was ghost writing for me?

[Rory]

Ew.

[Peach]

Yeah, that's gross.

[Mall]

Yeah, Your man ghost texting me.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Peach]

There's double standards.

[Mall]

You can't ghost text for your homie. Like, don't do that. My homie's like, yo, nah, shorty just hit me. I'm like, hit her back, nigga.

[Rory]

What you. What should I say?

[Mall]

What should I say?

[Rory]

She asked me what I'm on. What should I say?

[Mall]

All right, so no, she start feeling, what you saying? You gonna let me hit if it's my bars? I'm just saying, if it's my bars. Right or wrong, Rory.

[Peach]

No, you get.

[Mall]

You'll get your shit off if it's my bars that got it going. And she ready for you to pull up. I'm just saying I should be able to pull up. That's all.

[Peach]

I'm not mad at that. Especially because I have homeboys that if she was like, yo, just got out the shower and I pass my phone, they'd be like, yo, type without me, question mark. Like, awful.

[Mall]

Shit like that without me is funny. Yes, I took a shower without cheating.

[Rory]

People still get that off.

[Mall]

Get it off. Like it works.

[Peach]

Like, in a sarcastic way, right?

[Rory]

I mean, like, they still say that.

[Mall]

Oh, I know it don't work.

[Peach]

Yeah, like, it ain't working.

[Mall]

Like, you might not ever hear from her again if you say it now.

[Peach]

No, but I'm saying. Are they saying it in a sarcastic way? Like making fun of people that do

[Rory]

People are still saying without me. And they saying it multiple times. It ain't just a shower. It's. I just went to dinner. Without me. Everything. Without. Yes, without you. Stop texting on my phone.

[Mall]

Well, that's just being funny, though. If they.

[Peach]

I'm being serious.

[Rory]

They're being serious without me.

[Mall]

Going to dinner without me is crazy. Without me today.

[Peach]

You ate. You ate without me.

[Mall]

That's insane. You. I'm just. I just got off work. Without me? Nah. Yeah. I didn't take you to work with me, dog. Yeah. Yeah. Without me. Yeah.

[Peach]

A huge attribute I like is sharp and sarcastic girls. It would crush me a little bit to find out that her homegirl was the funny one the whole time. Like, that's who was texting me. I would feel like when I'm saying.

[Mall]

And if I find that out, I feel like me and your homegirl got more in common. Those are her bars. Those are her bars. That I was digging. If everything you texted me was your homegirl, like, her personality, her word. Play. I like her album. I wanna play her album. I don't wanna hear your album. Play her album. Give me her music. That's what I'm like. I like her. I'm going to her show. What time she go on stage? I don't wanna see you no more. And don't let her look better than you. Don't let her be cuter than you.

[Rory]

Ma.

[Mall]

We just having real talk, baby. D. If your girl is cuter than you and her bars is dope, why am I talking to you?

[Peach]

Well, this is what separates men and women. What if she's way uglier than the girl? I think I'll just go with the. The physical approach and the boring personality.

[Mall]

Yeah. Yeah, sure. 100. If she looks worse, then yeah.

[Peach]

No, we still. We still riding with you.

[Mall]

I take the. The literate.

[Peach]

Yeah. Just. Just give me publishing.

[Mall]

Yeah. The one that don't know how to write. Yo, give me her. She cute. She got a fatty. And we're back. Sponsored by Boost Mobile Unlimited.

[Peach]

Don't know how to write.

[Rory]

I'm literally speechless. That rarely happens. Like, I cannot believe y'. All.

[Peach]

We're joking around.

[Rory]

No, you're not.

[Mall]

I'm not. I'm gonna start saying that when you see we're joking. No, you're joking.

[Peach]

Everyone in this room has slept with somebody that a boring personality but was attracted. But you're not.

[Mall]

100.

[Peach]

You're not wife in somebody with a boring personality.

[Mall]

Nah, can't do that. Born personality. Can't do that. Or if our wife can got a born personality. Nine times out of 10, I'm cheating. So I'm just saying people want to talk about that.

[Rory]

People be like, she's like, what does she have on me, baby? She's like, I look way better than her. Yeah, but you're boring. She laughed that out his draws.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Peach]

I'm just saying she makes me feel good.

[Mall]

Nothing like a pretty funny girl. That's the best. Any ones that watch what you watch, like, the same shows, they enter the same type of.

[Rory]

Would they with the pretty funny girls be into that? You be watching more Curb?

[Mall]

If it's a cute girl to watch Curb. I'm never leaving you. I'm never leaving you. I'm not leaving your home. I'm never leaving here.

[Peach]

Maybe we should copyright this. Why don't like, the dating apps have more filter options. Why can't I clip Curb? Should be something I should put on my tab. And I get all the girls that also clicked Curb to me. That would be an easier way to find somebody that you like and have the same interests. Aside from just swiping right to titties on the phone.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Peach]

Like, I want to know where all the chicks that like Curb in New York City are, and I should be

[Rory]

able to, like, select all the men who like the Office and get them out my algorithm.

[Peach]

I think that's fair, too.

[Mall]

Get them.

[Peach]

Get all the things that you dislike.

[Mall]

You don't like the Office.

[Peach]

She's crazy. But what.

[Mall]

What's your favorite show? I don't.

[Rory]

I'm not a big. A big fan of comedy shows. I'm more of a drama person. But I also just don't think the Office is funny.

[Mall]

Okay. So what's your favorite show?

[Rory]

My favorite show is Grey's Anatomy. RIP Eric Dane.

[Peach]

RIP Eric Day, RIP Patrice o' Neal for the Office. Like, if we're just gonna go down this. This rabbit hole.

[Mall]

R.P. patrice O'. Neal, another legend.

[Rory]

Legend.

[Peach]

Not liking a show that has Steve Carell and Patrice o' Neill in it is kind of nuts to me.

[Mall]

Yeah. The Office is classic, baby.

[Rory]

I admit that. It's a classic. It's just not for me.

[Mall]

I respect that. Cause we're gonna get into some music that may be classic, but it's just not.

[Rory]

Oh, Jesus.

[Peach]

Well, while you were gone, we just gonna get into it. Jump back.

[Mall]

P.E. what's up, baby? You good? All right, then. Just wanted to make sure PE was good.

[Peach]

We. We covered the Monday topics, but we did leave one.

[Mall]

What was the Monday topics? Run it down real quick. What did y. What did y' all talk about?

[Peach]

What? You didn't listen to the episode?

[Mall]

Baby D, what did you talk about?

[Rory]

Monday, Rory was really talking to me about a lot of rap. I really wish.

[Peach]

Yeah, we did a lot of the on the radar cipher stuff.

[Mall]

See, that's the. See, Baby D, when. Not when you leave him alone with women. That's what he. He's.

[Rory]

He start talking about rap.

[Mall]

I know you can't do that to Baby D. She don't want to talk about rap like that.

[Peach]

I mean, that's all that was on the docket. Did you delete all the. The stuff from.

[Rory]

No, I don't know how it's. It is gone, though. But I. I didn't delete it.

[Mall]

It's all right. Don't worry about it.

[Rory]

Yeah, we talked about Simba calling the game his big homie, even though the Game tried to his BAE mom.

[Mall]

Wait, what?

[Peach]

Wait, did I not have WI Fi in in Virginia?

[Mall]

The Game tried to do what? He tried to.

[Peach]

So Simba was on all the Smoke, or up in Smoke, My bad, their podcast, and was saying that Game slid into his baby mother's. DMs and game, they're very close. They've worked together a bunch of times. They are close collaborators. Then he went on his own stream to clear up that when he was in his hoe phase, every time he would come to the studio, he would bring another girl and be like, yo, Game is my queen. This my girl. And Game started to be like, bro, none of these chicks are your. You bring a new girl in here and say it's your girlfriend every time. Mm. So he brought his baby mother in there, who he's with.

[Mall]

Yes.

[Peach]

And said the same thing. So Game assumed, just off the pattern, that that was not his girl.

[Rory]

But Simba said he posted her. He posted her. He posted her. And the moment he posted her, Game went and followed her. He didn't post the other ones. He posted her. And then Game went and followed her.

[Peach]

No, it's nasty. It's nasty.

[Mall]

That's nasty. That's nasty.

[Peach]

But that's Game.

[Mall]

Like, nah, nah, nah. But you can't call that your big home. That ain't your big homie.

[Peach]

No, it's definitely not your big homie.

[Mall]

Nah, that's nasty. Following your girl. As soon as I post her, he followed her and DMed her.

[Peach]

Yeah,

[Mall]

game, I ain't. That's nasty.

[Peach]

No, super nasty.

[Mall]

That's nasty. Yo, that is so fucking crazy to do, you know? Nah, y' all don't understand how crazy that is.

[Rory]

I said that.

[Mall]

How much time did y' all spend on that topic?

[Peach]

A good amount, because Damaris went on and said that she's my big homie. And I said, that makes sense because you and Maul have moved just like Game with me before he bought up

[Rory]

the situation with the wine with my birthday dinner. You know him.

[Mall]

I showed him the Epstein files. I gave him the files. I'm not in there doing no crazy shit. Like. But why is he still on that?

[Peach]

Maybe Game just wanted to DM her and say, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.

[Mall]

That's crazy. That's wild as.

[Peach]

Fuck you not as much she. That's Jayceon Demaris.

[Rory]

We talked about it already. But, yes, Maul, that's what we talked about. So I wish you were here for that conversation, because I know you would have been on my side.

[Mall]

Now, Game is wild for that. That's crazy. But all right, so. So, Simba, like. Cause you can't just laugh that off. That ain't a lol.

[Rory]

He said he called Game and was like, nah, bro, this really, like, my girl. And Game's like, oh, word. My bad.

[Mall]

Wait, but didn't he introduce her like that? Like, when he brought it to the studio? It's my baby mom. But we talking about his baby mother.

[Rory]

She. Well, I don't think she was his baby.

[Peach]

Yeah. I don't know. She was his big mother.

[Rory]

But he posted her. He posted her.

[Peach]

He did the girlfriend reveal.

[Rory]

Yeah. And gave.

[Peach]

That's where it's nasty.

[Rory]

Two days later.

[Peach]

I think it's.

[Mall]

Yeah, if he posted, that's like, yo, it's stint. That's. Yo, this is my lady.

[Peach]

I think it's nasty without the posting, like, which he talked about in detail.

[Mall]

Nah, you can't say that. You can't say that it's nasty without. If a dude posts a girl on his page, like, yo, this is Whitefield with a Happy birthday to my queen. I don't know what the caption was when Simba posted her, but it would be clear that that's his. The girl. The lady he's with, that's his woman. Right. I'm assuming that.

[Peach]

I'm saying I think it's nasty either. If I brought a girl in here and one of y' all DM'd her, I would find that nasty. So I don't.

[Mall]

But if she was without.

[Peach]

Without me.

[Mall]

If she wasn't your girl.

[Peach]

Yeah. If she's not my girl. Yeah. We've had these type of discussions I think that's weird.

[Mall]

Yeah. No, I don't want to sleep with any of the people that you got your girl. It might be hunting season. If it's not your guess, a rental car.

[Rory]

Oh, my gosh.

[Peach]

You agreed with me a million times that we just. Even though it's not foul, just, I don't wanna sleep with the same women my friends sleep with now.

[Mall]

You're right. While you're currently with her. Nah, I'm not doing that. If I know you currently, like, dating her. Smashing. But I know that ain't your girl. You just having fun with her. Oh, no, that's you. That's your ball. But if you throw that ball over the fence and I just happen to be jogging in the same park.

[Peach]

If you roof it.

[Mall]

Yeah, if you roof that ball and I just happen to go. I have access to that roof and I go up there like, oh, this is a nice ball. You think I'm not gonna bounce the ball? Like, I'm gonna dribble the ball. Like, you see a basketball in the park just laying there. You gonna dribble the ball?

[Peach]

Yeah, but if. If it's a pattern to me. That's odd.

[Mall]

No, if it's a pattern. Yes.

[Peach]

Now. Now I want to ask, like, you want to me or something, why you

[Mall]

always go after me? That's what it always turned. That's why. What game did he want to taste you? Wait, hold on.

[Rory]

He keep eating shorty pussy after you fuck. He wants you.

[Mall]

Hold on. Hold on a second, Baby D. I don't. I don't like that. Just don't even say that in this atmosphere. Don't. Yeah, it's nasty.

[Peach]

Well, yes, that. That's what we discussed on. On Monday, amongst the on the radar freestyle rap shit. Yeah, it was. It was dry. It was a dry pussy episode, I'll tell you that much.

[Mall]

Oh, you scared. You scared the women away 100%.

[Peach]

But we did want to save the Baby Keem Casino album review.

[Mall]

Yes.

[Peach]

For when you got back. We did not.

[Mall]

I was hoping you saved that for me, man. I was hoping you saved that, Rory. I was hoping. Because you my guy, you know, you my guy.

[Peach]

And I assume why I wanted to, because I knew you were going to come in here and you and I could boast, sit here and praise this Baby Keem album Casino, which I absolutely love and I love when we both agree and praise hip hop together.

[Mall]

Yes.

[Peach]

So you say,

[Mall]

okay, Baby Dan my bubble. Right in my zone. The zone that we own, that has no replay value.

[Peach]

Zone. Zone. Zone.

[Mall]

I'm just saying in my. In my zone. The replay value on that is very low.

[Rory]

So I'm gonna ask you why. I'm gonna ask why. Because they're gonna say that you're being biased because of whatever. So I'm gonna ask.

[Mall]

Being biased because of what?

[Rory]

Just. I'm going to ask you why. Why?

[Mall]

I can't just not like an album.

[Rory]

No, you can, but why don't you?

[Peach]

And someone that knows you. I believe that you. You dislike this album because you dislike it, not because of who he's signed to, affiliated with, and at family reunions

[Mall]

with y' all be See people. I'm just trying to make it to. I don't even think that.

[Peach]

Welcome. Welcome to the Internet. Yeah, I know you don't dislike it because of that, but the world is going to assume that that's why we want to know why you dislike it.

[Mall]

The production is good.

[Peach]

Is great.

[Mall]

The production is good on the album. The bars don't hold up well to the.

[Peach]

See that. That's where I disagree. I think Keem coming off review.

[Mall]

Am I giving mine?

[Peach]

Oh, I thought we were having a discussion.

[Mall]

No, we're not.

[Peach]

Shut up. All right, so he went to Virginia and got sassy.

[Mall]

No, I'm just saying. Just shut up. So the product, the production is good.

[Peach]

He definitely lost in Madden.

[Mall]

The production is good. The bars is. It's too. It's too elementary for me. I don't like his tonality. I don't like the way he say shit I can't hear. I'm a caveman, Boo boo. What is that? I can't replay that.

[Rory]

I go, New York.

[Mall]

I'm just saying. I don't want to keep listening to that is all I'm saying. That's just not for me. The production. The production on some of the records is hard. But then he come in and rapping, and it's like, I can't. I just don't like the way he says things like. And I don't like. He said, I'm a rich nigga that got a broken phone.

[Peach]

When you take it off the beat and just say, that was a cadence. I know, but I'm a rich nigga.

[Mall]

I'm like, bro, what are we talking about here? And why are you saying it like that? It's so many cooler ways. You could have said you a rich nigga with a broke phone, because niggas have said it before. So it's not like you said you, bro. You created like fire when you said that. Like, niggas have said that same type of bar before, but it sounds cooler. I just don't like the way he says shit like the production. Cool. But, like, to me, this album ain't better than a lot of albums that we just got. And you were saying. He said. Rory said it. There's a lot of. It was a lot of anticipation on this project. He was saying he got it. I don't think he did. I don't think this holds up to some of the albums we got in the last year and a half. I don't think this is better than Jid's album. I don't think it's better than Wale's album. I don't think it's better than Cole's album. I don't think it's better than Conway's album. I don't think it's better than Chance the Rapper's album.

[Rory]

I don't think it's fair to compare him to any of those people.

[Mall]

Yes, I do. They're rappers.

[Rory]

Other than other.

[Mall]

His peers. They're rappers.

[Rory]

No, no, no. Jid is his peer. The rest of the people are not his peers. Wale J. Cole are not his peers.

[Peach]

They're definitely not his peers.

[Rory]

They're not his peers.

[Peach]

Because the older man is definitely his

[Rory]

peers, though Jed is his peer.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Is Chance the Rapper is his peer?

[Rory]

Hell, no.

[Peach]

Chance been in the game 15 years like that?

[Rory]

No.

[Mall]

Okay, so y' all saying because he's been in the game longer. All right. I'm just talking about music. Just the type of music, the quality of music, to replay value in the music. I don't care about how old the nigga is, where he was born, when he was born. I don't care about that. The music, the listening experience. To me, this music does not stand next to any of the other music I just named. It just doesn't. I don't like the. I don't like the raps, like, the product. Like I said, the production is strong on some of the. On the records, but he just didn't live up to the production. Like, the production outperformed him 80% of the album.

[Peach]

But. Okay, I know you're nitpicking on certain bars, which I know you're just using as an example to say, overall, his flow and how he says stuff. But, like, you can't listen to. I'm not a lyricist or Highway 95, Part 2. And, like, not see the lyrical ability and the content and substance that is in all.

[Mall]

I'm not saying I'm not Saying, I

[Peach]

think he's improved as a rapper times 10 since his last project. I thought he was rapping on this shit.

[Mall]

Well, again, that's true. We can listen. We can watch the same.

[Peach]

Those. Those two specific records that were a bit deeper to his story.

[Mall]

Cool.

[Peach]

But he.

[Mall]

I don't.

[Peach]

But I'm not going back storytelling, right? That's, like, very difficult. I don't know a lot of rappers that could do. I'm not a lyricist. Or Highway 95. The way he did it, especially on the production that he did.

[Mall]

Wait, what do you mean you don't know a lot of rappers that could do that? Who you talking about?

[Peach]

His peer group? I don't know many.

[Mall]

This is your favorite word for the day, period. Who's.

[Rory]

You bought peers up, baby.

[Peach]

Yeah, not us.

[Mall]

All right. But who's his peers, y'? All. Cause y' all saying the. I said ain't his peers. Who's his peers?

[Peach]

JID Dean 1.

[Mall]

All right. JID could do exact. Jig could do that way better.

[Peach]

Oh, Jid. No, Jid can definitely rap.

[Mall]

Who else is this?

[Peach]

I think Keem would say Jid could rap better than him.

[Mall]

So who's this other peer?

[Peach]

Who. Who would fall in that line? There's not. There's not many.

[Mall]

All right. He don't know.

[Rory]

We said. We have that conversation all the time, though, that there's not many people in that bracket of rapping in his age group. There's not many of them that rap the type of way.

[Peach]

Like, I would say some of the people that were in the on the Radar cipher, but even them, I feel like, are a tier below. Not tier below, just based on when they came out, because Keem's been out for a little bit. I'm trying to think of that. When was his last project, but 2021. I don't know. Yeah, that. That graduating class, there isn't much.

[Mall]

So now this nigga graduated by herself. All right, so what I'm saying is

[Peach]

some people are homeschooled.

[Mall]

So what I'm saying is the replay value in the music, to me, nothing on this makes me want to go back and keep listening to this album.

[Peach]

And that's where we just.

[Mall]

I'm cool. I can go back and listen to Ballet. I can go back and listen to some of the J. Cole. I can go back and listen to Jed. I can go back and listen to Conway. I can go back and listen to Chance like this. And. And just in the replay value, I'm not saying, baby, Keem don't Have skill. I'm not saying he's not. He doesn't have talent. Not saying that. I'm just saying when you give me your album, say, this is my album and I listen to it, my reaction is it's not. I don't nothing about this album. Like, now. I ain't gonna lie. I can't wait to get in the whip and turn this on.

[Peach]

Oh, see, that's where we.

[Rory]

It might not be for you.

[Peach]

That's where we.

[Mall]

And that's fine. That's. I'm only speaking from my listening experience. Nothing on this album held me, so I'm like, damn, I ain't gonna lie. I can't wait to turn that. I just don't. It doesn't. It didn't. It doesn't live with me. This. This music doesn't live with me.

[Peach]

I listen to this in the car and in headphones on the train. No security, casino, house, money, sex appeal, circus, circus, freestyle. All go crazy in the car. Matter of fact, I think those. Those are. Those are made for the car.

[Mall]

What's. The bars that. That got you replaying the music that you like? Damn, I ain't gonna lie.

[Peach]

Oh, as far as far as the bars go, I, I, you know, I'm more of a content substance guy, so bars wise, I go to. I'm not a lyricist. Highway 95, no blame.

[Mall]

What's the bar, though, that. That got you like, Damn, he got off.

[Peach]

I, I didn't write down my favorite. But we've never even done that for an album like, Gotcha.

[Rory]

That's okay.

[Peach]

I see you've never done that.

[Mall]

Can I. Can I name the bar that made me turn it off?

[Rory]

I'm not gonna make. I'm not. I'm not gonna let you do that. Because we do do that. When new music comes out, one of the first things we do is be like, yo, when they said I felt

[Mall]

that, I'm saying that I'm a caveman. Boohoo. I ain't want to listen to that again. I'm being dead serious. I did not want to listen to that. I'm like, when he says she got sex appeal because she likes sex and pills, I'm cool.

[Peach]

I'm just comparing. All right, then let's.

[Mall]

I'm just saying I'm cool.

[Peach]

Let's pull up every rapper's full discography and see if there's worse things than she got. Sex appeal because she likes sex. And there's probably nothing wrong with that. That's not a bad bar to you.

[Rory]

Okay?

[Mall]

To you, that's not a bad bar. Like, and that's fine.

[Peach]

Have you like. Have you liked worse bars than that?

[Mall]

I'm not challenging.

[Peach]

Have you liked worse bars than that? I'm gonna probably. I'm gonna stick to our rule today, but I just want to admit that you like worse bars than that.

[Mall]

To you, it might be a worse bar than that.

[Peach]

I'm just saying there's plenty of worse bars. This is mine that I liked.

[Mall]

But why are you challenging my listening experience? I'm not challenging yours. I'm just asking you what bars did you like that made you want to

[Peach]

keep the entire I'm not a lyricist story? The entire Highway 95 Part 2 story? Like, the. Those entire records?

[Rory]

Okay, so.

[Peach]

Okay, so Keem has to be fab. I have to find hip hop quotables in the source for everything that he says.

[Mall]

Listen. No, nobody's saying that. You just said that. Nobody else in here said that. No, no.

[Peach]

You're asking which bars? Not everything is a big L. Freestyle.

[Mall]

Nobody said it had to be. I'm just saying, what part of the music made you want to be like, y' all can't wait to get in the joint? I turn this on.

[Peach]

I literally. We. We record.

[Mall]

I'm not your lyricist. I'm not a lyricist.

[Peach]

Those are the. Those are the. The lyric records that I like. But I said to get in the car. I'm playing casino. I'm playing house money. I'm. I'm playing circus circus freestyle. I matter of fact, the worst verse on this album is from Kendrick Lamore.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Peach]

If we being real.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Peach]

And that.

[Mall]

I like hearing your listening experience. I'm not challenging you here, bro. I'm just. I just want to know what you heard and what you felt when you turned this out.

[Peach]

And that's not trying to go viral or some crazy clip it, even though I know Peach just clipped it. And make sure you clip this part, too. I'm saying, in defense of Keem's lyricism on here, I think his big cousin, who's one of the greatest rappers of all time, had the worst verse on the album.

[Mall]

I don't know. I'm not a caveman. Boohoo was kind of crazy.

[Rory]

Ma is.

[Peach]

Big Ma is so funny.

[Mall]

I'm just saying that Bar is kind of crazy. I couldn't believe he said that. I was like, all right. They was in the studio just doing anything. These niggas was in there having a jam boy, like, all right, fuck it. Let it fly. I would have been like, man, if I'm the engineer. Duh. We can't do that. This production is way too tough. Like, what we doing here. We saying that. Nah.

[Rory]

I enjoyed the album for what it was. What do I. Huh?

[Mall]

What do I mean for what it was for.

[Rory]

I enjoyed it for what it was. So I can acknowledge that I think that Baby Keem has some talent. But I agree with a lot of what you said as far as the bars. I don't like the tonality and the voices in that. I've said that about other rappers.

[Peach]

True.

[Rory]

He's not the only one. So going. Going along with that theme. It's not for me. I can. Like you said, the production was hard. I can acknowledge why this might be for some people, and some people might really like it. I don't think what he. I don't think his rapping on this album was the craziest rapping in the world, but it wasn't bad at all. I can acknowledge talent, but it's. I won't be going to revisit it that much. There's a couple songs on there that I like, but it won't be something that I'll play on repeat.

[Mall]

And that's all I'm saying. The listening experience. Like, I'm not gonna cut this all. I'm not gonna cut off Wale album to listen to Baby Keem album. I'm not gonna cut off Chance album to listen baby. Like, whose album I'm gonna. Like I said, I enjoyed the Alchemist, Larry June and Currency album more than this.

[Peach]

That's okay. I mean, I wouldn't never argue if

[Mall]

just to listen to the music. Now, some people may feel like Keem rap better than Currency and Larry June. I heard say Larry June sound like he leaving voicemails. Cool. That's. But what do. No, no, listen. Because y'.

[Rory]

All.

[Mall]

If y' all gonna say that about Larry. What do Keem sound like if y' all gonna say that about Larry June Music. What does Baby Keem sound like?

[Peach]

I didn't say that, so I can't answer your question.

[Mall]

I'm just saying. I've seen online, see, saying, yo, he said all this. All right, but what does Keem sound like?

[Peach]

Cause I can't listen. Sounds like his older cousin.

[Rory]

He sounds very young, too. He sounds like he has a very young voice.

[Mall]

I just can't listen again. I recognize the talent level. I recognize the skill set in Keem. I'm not saying he's not talented. I just can't. That music. I just. I'm not gonna Go back to that music. I just can't. Like, I don't know when I'm gonna stop listening to. To play this album.

[Peach]

Like, I. I guess. No, I. I hear you, and I would never argue that point on your taste and what you would want to listen to. I guess the expectations of a lyricist when you're talking about people like W and Enchants the rapper. Like, I never in my brain would I put Keem as a lyricist to chance and W. Like, that's. That's so unfair.

[Mall]

No, I get what you're saying.

[Peach]

Like, Keem. Even if the last interview that Kendrick did, he was like, Keem was making amazing beats. Like, we didn't even really want to take him that seriously as a rapper. Everyone was rapping, and he ended up getting better at it. He was a producer and songmaker before he ever started rap.

[Mall]

Makes sense.

[Peach]

Keem's not like. See, I can hear that he makes and. But I think on this album, he actually really stepped up his lyrics. In the songs that I mentioned. Like, I'm not a lyricist.

[Mall]

I think you got to step up a little more.

[Peach]

Okay.

[Mall]

I think he got. I think his music. I think the bars have to meet, match the music a little more.

[Peach]

I think they complemented the production very well.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Peach]

I wasn't. I wasn't looking for what Wale or Chance would have sounded on these beats.

[Mall]

Neither was I. I'm just saying, like, we only have so much time in a day to listen to music.

[Peach]

It's 30. It's 36 minutes.

[Mall]

We get a lot of music. I'm not taking 36 minutes out of my day to play this album again. I can be listening to a whole bunch of other. We got R and B. We still got. Don Toliver to listen to. Album is phenomenal. We still got.

[Peach]

We got Rocky. We got Cole. We got that Rocky album still in rotation.

[Mall]

It's just a bunch of people. Like, I. This. Where does this go? Where do you. Where do you say? All right, cool. Now it's time to throw that Ker.

[Rory]

But there's some people who. And I'm not saying they have bad music taste. There's some people who would throw this album on and never throw on ASAP Rocky.

[Mall]

No, that's a fact.

[Rory]

They wouldn't be able to get through.

[Mall]

Those are people that I never want to be in the same room with to.

[Peach]

Well, to me, this Keem album, they said, I enjoy the ASAP Rocky album far more, but I would put this more in the ASAP category than I Would with a Chance or Wale album.

[Rory]

Makes sense.

[Peach]

This is way closer to the ASAP album.

[Rory]

Okay, okay, that makes sense.

[Peach]

Way closer. I mean, ASAP is asap, so it's a different level.

[Mall]

Does asap for how long he's been. Does ASAP rap better than Keem?

[Peach]

Yeah, but I.

[Mall]

That's what I'm saying.

[Peach]

Where do we put Keem at? I think that's so unfair, though. Cause Rocky has been in here for 20 years.

[Mall]

I get it. He's 10 years older than him. All right, so where are we putting Keem at? We not naming his Jid. We know Jid is rapping Dr. Dr. Strange circles around this.

[Peach]

I'm sorry.

[Rory]

That's.

[Peach]

You're really funny today.

[Mall]

I'm just saying, like, we being honest. Like, we know. We know Jit is on a whole nother thing. Like, when it comes to bars and music, like, he ain't even. You know what I'm saying? So my thing is, where does. Where does he. Where does Keem live in our. In our lives as far as listening to music?

[Peach]

He's in that weird limbo where there's a lot of talented rappers a little bit younger than him and then a bunch of older than him. Like you said, he graduated by himself. Yeah, he is kind of in a weird class.

[Mall]

Okay. So my thing is there's so much music that we have access to. Right. You have to. Your music has to be able to break through all of that other great music. Does this music. Does these bars break through that music?

[Peach]

I think so. Where you're saying music, I think it's a. Musically, it's a great album.

[Mall]

But I'm saying who are you turning. Who are you not listening to? To listen to Baby Keem's album as from this year. Yeah.

[Peach]

I have enough time in the day while I'm doing things to play more than one album.

[Mall]

I never. All right, Okay. I respect your bubble, dog. I'm gonna respect.

[Peach]

Why are you looking around?

[Mall]

I respect your bubbles.

[Peach]

That was a cop out answer.

[Mall]

I respect your bubble.

[Rory]

I don't say anything.

[Mall]

And your bubble. If you got room for Baby Keem for the caveman. Boohoo. Respect your bubble. No Warrior now.

[Peach]

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[Mall]

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[Peach]

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[Peach]

Okay. They would say we can't answer this question. And this is a good segue because Spotify decided who the next leaders of hip hop are. I guess we could say that these are Keem's peers, even though I think there's still some. Some gaps there. But this. This list, yes. You know what? I will say this. This is Keem's Pierce, Baby Keem, Glorilla, Dochi, Central, Cee Sexy, Red Rod, Wave, Lil Tech has been out for almost 12 years. And big X, the plug. Yeah. Okay, this. This could be Keen Spears. And for those that don't know we're talking about Spotify, Rap Caviar put up billboards in all these artist cities saying, hip hop needs new leaders. They put out this cryptic trailer saying who's going to be the next leader? This and that, all for reasons we don't really know. They just told us about a bunch of artists that we already know about. So I'm not sure what they're trying to do with this campaign.

[Mall]

This is hip hop's new leaders. According to Spotify.

[Peach]

They're questioning.

[Mall]

I don't see a question mark.

[Peach]

No, literally, the billboards were hip hop needs a new leaders question mark or some.

[Mall]

Oh, so these are the names that they're putting in the conversation.

[Peach]

Yes. And they put billboards in each city for the artists that they picked, like Baby Keem. They put a billboard in Vegas, Glorilla, Memphis, Doce, Tampa, Central City, London, and so on.

[Mall]

And so shout out to all of these artists for getting a billboard in their cities. That's dope, that's fire. But now hip hop needs new leaders.

[Peach]

They're not wrong. Same conversation with Hip hop does need new leaders.

[Mall]

Right. I guess if you want to. Cool. That's a cool little slogan, I guess. Made me want to go watch the trailer. I don't know. Sounds like a Batman movie. Gotham needs a hero. Yeah, Hero that we don't deserve. We know that.

[Peach]

Who's Harvey Dent? Sexy Red.

[Mall]

But then when you start putting these people on, Hip hop needs new leader conversation. Like, come on, bro. What are we talking about? I respect Sexyy Red and all. I respect all the hustle to grind. I respect Dochi. I respect. But, like,

[Rory]

really?

[Peach]

Okay, tell me, tell me.

[Rory]

Who don't you agree with?

[Peach]

Who should be in that list that isn't them? If we're going off the graduating peer class that we were just talking about. Don't say Travis Scott. He's legacy.

[Mall]

Yeah. I don't know, man. If this is the bunch to pick from, we in a bad spot.

[Peach]

I would love for Jid to be in this conversation for sure.

[Mall]

Yeah. But y' all say he's not a peer. He's not.

[Peach]

No, I think he's Keem's peer.

[Rory]

We said that.

[Mall]

Oh, so then. Yeah, so then Jid.

[Peach]

I think JID 100% should be in there.

[Mall]

Yeah. Didn't he just get nominated for rap album of the year?

[Peach]

Yeah, Jid.

[Rory]

And what city is Jid from again?

[Peach]

He's from Atlanta.

[Rory]

Atlanta.

[Peach]

My thing is. And pains my heart. And there's no disrespect to Lil Teca. Please let me know if I'm wrong. Did Little Tech belong in this list?

[Mall]

That's where you went to Little Techa?

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Peach]

It's coming from Spotify. And I'm not saying Little Tech. It doesn't do billions of streams, but every single artist on here has been extremely, extremely, extremely relevant for the last few years.

[Mall]

Rob Wave, I can understand.

[Peach]

He thought. He does arenas.

[Mall]

Yeah. I can understand Rod Wave, Big Ass, the plug streams.

[Rory]

Crazy.

[Peach]

More than I can understand Central Prince at this point.

[Rory]

So it's. It's Sexy Red and Lil Teca. You got the problem with.

[Peach]

I have. I have no problem with Sexy Red.

[Rory]

I was talking about.

[Mall]

I just don't know. When you say hip hop, I just don't know if. If they belong. I don't know.

[Rory]

Are you one of the people that believe that there's a difference between hip hop and rap?

[Mall]

No, rap is a part of hip hop. Hip hop is. Hip hop is the whole. Is the building, the whole element, the whole culture. Rap is a part of hip hop.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

Yeah. I don't know, man. Listen, man, I'm sure all of these artists I don't know what they do with their monthly listings and all of that with their numbers. I don't really care about numbers like that. I'm just going off the music and how the music sounds and the listening experience. And if I keep the replay value in the music, that's more so what I go to. Just being honest. I don't listen to a lot of these artists like that. I don't. Not when you have better artists dropping music. I'm just saying. I just. I just.

[Peach]

Yeah, but it's coming from Spotify that, like, when we joke around, like, why do they even do the Billboard Awards? Like, we know the results. Spotify coming from Spotify. I don't think this is a bad list, to be quite honest. They could probably make a case that JID doesn't stream the way all these people do. So he shouldn't be in our Spotify list.

[Mall]

I just looked at Don Toliver. They have him classified as hip hop rabbit. He needs to be on this list.

[Peach]

If Rod Wave is on there. Don Tolliver, I'm not.

[Mall]

Don Toliver needs to be on this list. Like, all right, what are we doing?

[Peach]

That's a fair point.

[Mall]

Don Tolliver's. Y' all classifying him as hip hop. Rap. Okay, cool. Hip hop needs new leaders. Cool. Don Toliver has a better album than any of these artists that are up here right now currently. That Octane album is better than anybody up here's album.

[Peach]

Well, I'm sure this campaign was before the album came out, but whenever it was, I agree with you.

[Mall]

Even before his last. Okay, his last two hours, I agree with you.

[Peach]

If you put Rod Wave there, then there's no reason Don Toliver shouldn't be there.

[Rory]

I love how much you advocate for Don Toliver.

[Peach]

That nigga is talented.

[Mall]

Don Toliver is fire. That nigga is. He's insanely talented. Like, I'm talking about live show albums. The replay value on his music, like, all of that shit. Like, I just don't. If you're gonna make a rap caviar, hip hop needs new leaders. Don Toliver's up there. He has better music than 90% of this list right here.

[Rory]

So you guys are saying that Don Toliver and Jid are missing on this?

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Mall]

If we talking about hip hop needs new leads. Don Toliver, I'm sure he does. Crazy numbers, stage show. Incredible. Yeah, he's a new leader. If you're gonna look for new leaders, Don Tolliver should be on this List.

[Peach]

Okay, I'm not.

[Mall]

Octane is one of the best albums of the year so far.

[Peach]

I'm not mad at that. Does Cash Cobain maybe represent New York a little bit better with the last few years?

[Rory]

I wouldn't, I wouldn't be surprised if Lil Tech had higher, higher streams.

[Peach]

Yeah. Again, I'm. I don't want to disrespect low tech. I'm just not. I don't follow that much.

[Rory]

You're not familiar with his game?

[Peach]

I am, but he's been out forever.

[Mall]

I just started listening to Rob Wave.

[Peach]

They sent me his talent, but it's not on me.

[Mall]

But I recognize if you would say, if you would have show me this list last year, I would have been lost. I'd have like, bro, I understand Rod does arenas, he sells out shows. I get that. I know he has a huge following. I didn't. Just didn't tap into his me. But now after listening to his music, it makes sense to me. Like, okay, I get it, I understand it.

[Peach]

But I mean, even I, I get, I get the, the campaign here. But like, what is the exact goal? Is this more label driven with Spotify that now we're going to start that conversation with these names specifically? Because there's not anyone here that doesn't have a very big machine behind them that also has stock in Spotify. Like, that's where I'm not sure what the point of this campaign was, because I saw some people saying, oh, there's going to be a voting thing on Spotify where you could vote who's going to be the new leader of hip hop. But what does that really solve? At the end of the day,

[Rory]

it's. Well, I mean, it's marketing for, for Spotify. It's from rep. It's for Rap Caviar, which is the fucking playlist, of course, which they're going to send everybody to. Like, it's. It's just rap caviar's budget.

[Peach]

I'm not mad at it. It just feels like a lazy boardroom campaign. It just doesn't feel that creative to me at all that you're just throwing the names that everyone knows up on a billboard.

[Rory]

But not every. But not everybody knows the names. And I think sometimes we speak from a place where we're a hip hop podcast and we're very tapped into certain shit. Artists can be big, but not everybody knows these people.

[Peach]

I mean, rap, cabaret, or you would say is the biggest hip hop playlist in the world.

[Rory]

It will be, but it doesn't mean that everybody knows these names. Hence the advertising for both the artist and Rap Caviar.

[Peach]

Yeah, I mean listen, we're talking about it. Complex had put up, put up an article and actually picked a lot of great tweets in reply to this entire campaign because it did confuse a lot of people. My guy Z, founder of audiomac, who's one of the best followers on Twitter, said the old superstar era is over. You're Spotify, you should understand this. Our fragmented media landscape makes reaching the level of artists you mentioned impossible. Dan, I'm not even going to try to pronounce your last name. This is Raps NBA face of the league debate. Similar dynamic. The 2000s and 2010s stars are still the biggest. It's not because of the talent. It's because how fragmented media is.

[Mall]

No, that's the talent too.

[Peach]

And that's where I hate when they

[Mall]

try to throw that in. They know it's the talent. It's the talent. It's the talent, bro. Like we not doing that. It's the talent. It's the lack of talent. The NBA is suffering right now because a lot of these, all they want to do is shoot threes and have kids and it's the lack of talent. Like it's just the lack, lack of talent. Let's be real, like music is lacking talent right now.

[Peach]

Oh, I mean I, I agree and, but I don't even understand because Z, I respect his opinion so much. I don't know where this is really falling on media per se. Why would media be responsible for that when. When on top of that I consider Rap caviar doing this almost media. It's advertising in media. You're putting a list together for people to talk about of young artists.

[Mall]

So yeah, don't blame this on media.

[Peach]

Like I just don't throw this on Media Lab. Like you know what AP just did. Like I don't know where media falls on that. Maybe Spotify does because playlisting is such a big part of how music is put in front of the average consumer. Media is not so much that anymore in all phases of media.

[Rory]

So are they blaming us for not reporting on the people with real talent?

[Peach]

Here's the thing. Before streaming, you had the blogs in itunes where the labels shunned the blogs until it was too, too late and they had to work with them. Media was doing its job for discovery. Then you guys created streaming because you guys wanted to control the discovery where media could no longer do that. Yes, some of us have some power to mention an Artist and it will do okay for them. But even media has so many different pockets of fans that if we say we like somebody, it only goes to a certain group. If platforms way bigger than us say somebody's name, it only goes to a certain group. You guys are controlling the discovery now. The. Does media have to do with this? You guys change the game. Mm. And these are people that are anti label that are saying this, which is why it's blowing my mind. You made it so discovery can only come from you guys. You control discovery now. You control the algorithms. There's no more soundcloud rabbit hole. There's no more fun blogs. The that is even in the algorithm we do on media only goes to the. When you throw it out there. Yeah.

[Mall]

This ain't. Whose fault is this? Ain't. No. This ain't on media. I don't care how fragmented.

[Peach]

This is bigger than Nino Brown.

[Mall]

This ain't. This ain't. This ain't media. This is the lack of talent. And I get it. These are certain names and artists that I guess, you know, have, like, worksheet has a machine behind them and they're trying to push. I get that. But we seen a lot of niggas that y' all thought was the new leaders and was the new this and the new that and nah da da, and then tours get canceled.

[Rory]

But that doesn't mean.

[Mall]

That's exactly what that means. Niggas ain't paying to come see you. That means you ain't hot, but you

[Rory]

can be talented and not be hot. That has to.

[Mall]

True, true. You can be. You can be hot, but you can be hot and not be talented. But niggas ain't paying to come see you, though. Niggas stream some shit and listen to it, and they crib like, oh, okay. That song was cool. Yeah. All right, cool. Yo, pay this money and then get dressed and then drive to the arena. I'm not doing all that. Live show is not dope. Not spending money to watch you walk back and forth on stage like, no, I'm not doing that. The music is not that dope.

[Rory]

I'd like to see them do a list like this for R and B. I would be interested.

[Peach]

Same.

[Mall]

Oh, we know who the new leaders of R and B are.

[Rory]

Who are the new leaders? R and B, in your opinion?

[Peach]

Mariah the scientist. Mariah the scientist. Mariah the scientist.

[Rory]

Funny, Ma. Who do you think are the new leaders?

[Mall]

Leon, obviously. I feel like there's another album that just came out that was the. Oh, Brent.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

Like Mariah.

[Peach]

Okay, but if we're going off this time frame, is Brent involved in that? And I mean to cut you off. I just don't know if Brent's in that timeline. Brent has been out since 20.

[Mall]

How long has Little Tucker been out?

[Peach]

That's why he's the only one on that list that I feel like. I mean, Doce had a bunch of mixtapes before, but she's now just. Just hit her stride.

[Mall]

She was. She's been out for years too, though. She's been releasing music, but.

[Peach]

But I'm always. I'm always fine with new artists when they release their first actual project and start to hit their stride. If they had 30 mixtapes and we never heard them, I don't consider them like, well, yo, they were in their mom's basement 15 years ago making music, so they can't be. I don't look at it that way. I look at it more when you start to catch a stride.

[Mall]

I like Sailor. Love her. I think she's dope.

[Rory]

Okay, you think Sailor would be a leader in R B?

[Mall]

Uh, looking at this list. Yes. Her album was crazy. The last project she just put out was Fire. Okay. And she's on tour with Doja. Yeah, she. Yes, Yes. I would definitely put Sailor up here. Yes. Why not? Let's argue.

[Peach]

I mean, then does. Does Daniel Caesar fall in this? I just don't know the timeframe we're going with.

[Rory]

Daniel Caesar would not fall in that.

[Peach]

Okay.

[Mall]

A new artist list.

[Peach]

It's a new leader list.

[Mall]

Yeah. Like, yeah, 10 years in and become a leader.

[Rory]

We gotta get PJ. Mike Peach said you could be 10 years in and not be a leader, like, and become a leader. I'm sorry.

[Mall]

Yeah. So, yeah, Sailor, Leon, Brent, rb, Kehlani.

[Rory]

Unfortunately,

[Peach]

since I was in college.

[Rory]

I know that, but I mean, she

[Mall]

just had one of the biggest songs.

[Rory]

I was about to say, according to a lot of people, they would say, Kehlani included, they would say that she's just now hitting her stride to the mask.

[Peach]

No, that's not the way I'm saying it. With Dochi, where there was mixtapes that people had not heard, and then she was really introduced to the world. Kehlani has had hit records.

[Rory]

I agree.

[Peach]

Number one albums. Yeah. Did Folded put her in a crazy leader, though.

[Mall]

New leader. Has she ever led?

[Rory]

Never.

[Mall]

No, she's never led R and B.

[Peach]

So let's put her in a conversation list there.

[Mall]

Let's put it on in the conversation of new leaders of R and B. Oh, okay.

[Peach]

Well, Then I changed the rap one drastically.

[Mall]

Yeah, you keep trying to say, yo, what year he was born? You worried about.

[Peach]

No, I'm talking about when they came out, like, what year he was born.

[Mall]

Yeah, but that don't mean they was ever a leader, though. Now they're making consistent, great music. Consistent, great songs. They're getting dope features. Like, now they're becoming in that conversation of, okay, he's leading the pack or she's leading the pack now.

[Peach]

Okay, so then is Freddie Gibbs not in the rap conversation? If we're going off that criteria, I'm not mad at that, but that's nuts to me because Gibbs has had records.

[Mall]

Like, of course he has. But was he ever considered one of the leaders of rap? Of hip hop?

[Peach]

No.

[Rory]

It can get me.

[Peach]

It can get me. Then I don't even understand new. Then I don't understand the campaign.

[Mall]

New leaders, new leaders. Who are the old leaders saying, Drake, Kendrick and Cole have had it for 10 years.

[Peach]

All right, New, new leaders. The clips have had hit records, great albums, but last year they led hip hop. I think it's the first time the clips ever led hip hop. Are the clips the new leaders?

[Rory]

That's not the first time the clips. I mean, I get the first time

[Peach]

the clips have led hip hop. We're. That we're far away from each other.

[Rory]

Okay, it's fine. I can hear you.

[Peach]

I can.

[Rory]

I can hear you.

[Mall]

You know, you got a mic, like, right in front of you. She can hear you.

[Rory]

Like, he. He been yelling all episode m. I don't know what's wrong with him.

[Mall]

You know, he get when dropped. That's how you start acting. As soon as Keem dropped, he turned into a whole new dude.

[Rory]

I do want to give a shout out to. When it comes to R B, new leaders up and coming. I do want to give a shout out to J Don. He's a young boy. He can like. He's like. He makes the type of music that I would have liked back when I was in high school. He reminds me of like, you know, the old Chris Brown. The old. Yeah. J Don.

[Mall]

Is that the tall.

[Rory]

Yes, Tall with the braids that he dance? Uh huh. His music is good.

[Mall]

I call him the R B Wimby.

[Peach]

I like him.

[Mall]

He's like R B Wimby yama.

[Rory]

Look what you call people.

[Mall]

He too tall to be moving like that. Sit down.

[Rory]

See, that's not fair. Cause y' all niggas don't say that about Chris Brown. Big ass Chris Brown, ain't you Know

[Mall]

how tall this kid is? He's way taller than kid.

[Rory]

Now I gotta. Now I gotta look it up.

[Mall]

He's way taller.

[Peach]

Nobody thinks Chris Brown and Wemby are close to each other.

[Mall]

Like, this dude is like six. He like six' six.

[Peach]

Well, why you look that up? Someone else did bring up a good point. Since we're back to the rap part of this, a lot of the next up or new leaders died. Mac Miller, Tentacion Juice, wrld, Nipsey Pop, Smoke Takeoff was already part of one of the greatest hip hop groups of all time. This list right here, I. They were all on their way. They had the trajectory of becoming the next.

[Mall]

They were on pace. Yeah.

[Peach]

Mac for sure. Tentacion for sure. Juice World for sure. Nipsey Pops. Well, yeah, like, yeah, I thought that was a great and unfortunate point.

[Rory]

Very true. To circle back though. Jay Don is six five. Ma, you right.

[Mall]

I know I'm right. I seen that. I didn't know he was some slacks on. One day he starts spinning. I said, man, this tall nigga gotta sit down.

[Rory]

Man, don't do that. He makes nice, innocent.

[Mall]

No, I'm not. No, he's talented. But that's like, bro, you fam. How you that tall and can dance like that? That shit just is crazy. Looks like if you go to the club and the fucking shooting guard from the Knicks, like, if Josh Hart just start. Dude, sit your tall ass. You way too tall for. Bro, you can't be in here knowing moves and having rhythm at six, five, six, six. Like, sit down.

[Rory]

He only four inches taller than Chris Brown.

[Mall]

Nigga, you stand a six. Five dude next to a six. One dude. To see the difference. A huge difference. Without a doubt.

[Peach]

What we would say that that Breakfast Club is probably one. One of the bigger platforms that's existed in the last however many years, right? And just in your own brain, think of the biggest platforms ever. If somebody does an interview with any of those platforms, do you think their streams go up the same way if they're placed on every single playlist in their genre and made the face of that playlist?

[Mall]

No.

[Rory]

No.

[Peach]

So please leave media alone.

[Mall]

Yeah, we're fragmented.

[Peach]

Please leave media alone.

[Mall]

Fragmented media.

[Peach]

Is there a bunch of bullshit media out here? Absolutely. But how this is set up. We don't make or break shit. Y' all took over discovery. I don't wanna hear this shit again.

[Mall]

Ah, this is what I love about. See, this sounds like I love music conversations. Cause we all get to kinda see what everybody likes, what their opinion is. Like, what you Be listening to. See, I think there's room for everybody. I just think that the talent level is. Sometimes, you know, we gotta stop acting like the talent level is high. Cause it's really not. It's a lot of people that we listen to. And we only listen to them because it ain't shit else really to listen to. Unless we go find somebody that we like that the rap caviars are not putting on playl and that the blogs are not talking about or that's not heavy in the algorithm. But we, like, we found this kid, like, yo, this shit is dope. So you get these lists and it's like, I don't listen to a lot of these people on this list now. They on a rap caviar billboard in different cities. Cool. That's great. Me personally, I still do not listen to 90% of these artists.

[Peach]

That could be an age thing as well.

[Rory]

Yeah, they would say that.

[Mall]

And also age or not, I just don't think the. Cause it could be a kid that was 19, but if he rapping his ass off and his bars is crazy, I'm listening to him. So it's not the age difference. It's the talent is like, yo, what is this? I don't even understand.

[Rory]

But what you look at as talent is different from people that are younger than you. That's why I said.

[Mall]

But that's why I said I like these conversations. Because you might hear something and be like, this is incredible. And I might look at you like, how do you think this is incredible music? But to you, it's incredible, which is fine. And I'm learning that, like, if you like something, that don't mean I gotta like it because you like it or get mad. Cause I don't like it. It's just a different experience. You enjoyed what you hear.

[Rory]

I experienced that with older people with my. Like, Rory brought up my obsession with Mariah Scientist. But I experienced that because older people or other people who are really big into. Back in the day, R B used to be all about the vocals, Right? So you can hear an artist and, like, she can't sing. How do you listen to that? It's like, I'm not listening for that. So what you are looking at as talent when it comes to vocals, I'm not even checking for that. I'm over here paying attention to what the. She's saying.

[Mall]

Yeah, but then you'll still get cool. And that's. I understand that. But you can have a Mariah of scientists. Right? Cool. Like her songs, the way she Write, you know, it's very cool. But then if I put Jasmine Sullivan next to that and like, this is an R and B artist too. It's a clear difference in the talent, is what I'm saying.

[Peach]

That's the age gap to me, because I think the kids that pack out arenas for Rod Wave are not there for his vocal ability, nor care about it. They care about his mental health. Lyrics, like, that's. They're obsessed over what he's saying.

[Mall]

Cool. He built that audience, which is fire,

[Peach]

like big X to plug. That's numbers.

[Mall]

I'm not in.

[Peach]

Great. I think the youth loves Central Sea in all of Europe. Like, I think all the kids that are in their twenties are in the. When the moment they get in their car, they're putting on Central Sea.

[Mall]

Great. But then I can also. Also, at the same time, mine's not hot. I can go to an arena.

[Peach]

Put on your jacket.

[Mall]

J. Cole sold it out. I can go to arena and see that. Kendrick sold it out.

[Rory]

Well, they.

[Mall]

They still rap. It's just different. It's just different talent level.

[Rory]

Yeah, but they've also been in the game for so long. They've built a crazy loyalty.

[Mall]

Yeah, but it's a lot of that been in the game. That was on that freshman cover with Kendrick and J. Cole. We don't know where them is at, so don't say it's the 80s.

[Peach]

Let's go look at that first, because

[Rory]

I think that was a pretty good freshman cover. But I hear you.

[Peach]

I give. I give these younger artists like Rod Wave even more credit because to get their fan base, which is younger kids that stay in the house, to pack out an arena takes something.

[Mall]

Yeah, for sure.

[Peach]

Like with artists when I was coming up, we were all outside. We'd buy tickets. It's so hard to pack out an arena, especially with kids that literally sit on Fortnite all day.

[Mall]

For sure.

[Peach]

That takes a different level of obsession.

[Mall]

For sure.

[Peach]

Those kids have social anxiety. They're not walking outside. So I. I hear you on that, but the. The impact is clearly there with all of these. These artists. It's there.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Peach]

Is it, dog? Go to a Rod Wave show, bro.

[Mall]

No, I'm. We know, Rod. I understand that. I'm saying the rest of the artists on that list.

[Rory]

Impact. Yes.

[Peach]

I think they have different types of. I don't think every artist here obviously packs out fragmented.

[Mall]

Impact. I got it. Look how fast. Look how fast we found fragmented.

[Peach]

Before we get into that. That word, fragmented, we also have to remember the audience is fragmented. Maybe not media. Yes, the world is fragmented. When we first. When we first started podcasting, it was mostly music fans that were listening to us. So when we did say an artist that nobody had heard of. Yes, it spiked up, and their name got out there based off media. But now podcasting, in my opinion, is a majority podcast and content fans, not music fans. So don't say we're fragmented. When the audience is fragmented, they're not music fans. We're a music podcast that probably speaks to mostly people that don't listen to music like that in their car. Yeah, but then how much impact can I have?

[Mall]

But at the same time, then we get, what's the guy. Our guy name that was on at the show? And he got mad because the half the owners was only there to hear that one song that was going crazy on TikTok.

[Rory]

Steven.

[Mall]

Steve Lacey.

[Peach]

Steve Lacey.

[Mall]

Talented, right? Pac show. They only there to hear one song.

[Peach]

That's the audience fragmented. Not. Not us.

[Mall]

Yeah, so that's what I'm saying. So, yeah, the impact. Cool. The impact could be off of one song. That don't mean the rest of the catalog is fire or that the audience that is at your show feels like the rest of your catalog is. They're here for the one song.

[Peach]

Not in Steve's case, but. I hear you.

[Mall]

Not in Steve's case, but I'm just saying he got mad at that. Cause it's like, bro, I got a whole bunch of other dope shit that y' all only here to hear something that's going crazy on TikTok right now. Like, an artist will get mad at that because it's like, yo, my whole catalog. I got fire in my catalog. But I'm just saying. So if you're gonna say media's fragmented, the listening experience is fragmented at that point.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Peach]

Because even right now, we would all in this room agree that TI and 50 have some of our favorite discographies of our lives. Who's paying attention right now to this beef? Content fans or music fans?

[Rory]

Content fans. Don't nobody want to hear neither one of them N Rap?

[Mall]

Nah. Cause I'm.

[Peach]

They're here for. They're here for conflict.

[Mall]

I'm a music fan, but I. I'm going definitely just tap in and see what they saying about each other.

[Peach]

Oh, no, of course. But music fans, we also like conflict between artists, but we also like the music. I think a majority of people that are tapped into this that have never been a TI fan or a 50 fan like that before, the younger kids are Here for conflict. That's not a music fan. Yeah, but as music fans, we like conflict. They just like conflict.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Peach]

I don't think the fans are tapped in that much on. On this TI50 shit to, like, see who's really gonna outwrap each other. No, it's just funny.

[Rory]

No worrying now.

[Peach]

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[Rory]

What do y' all think about the diss tracks that have dropped TI's? Well, not. Let's just say TI's diss track, cuz. King just threw a shot.

[Mall]

Threw a shot is funny. King just threw a shot, guys.

[Peach]

He got bigger fish to fry. He focused on his music career. He just threw a little something in there. He's focused on his album right now.

[Rory]

Yeah, I hope he dis you. You keep throwing.

[Peach]

That's a dis record. This. Does King make music like that?

[Mall]

If he does, I don't top five is it. The other is. That's funny. Isn't the other son. The what his name? Damani.

[Rory]

Damani.

[Peach]

Yeah. No, he's like. No, he. He could like. Yeah, that's the artist.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Peach]

Yeah, but King is. King is a content creator.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Peach]

King, his brother is an artist. This. This is a perfect example. His brother is an artist.

[Mall]

Catching a moment.

[Peach]

King is a content creator that Happens to sometimes make music. That's why I say it's a diss record. He's never making that song unless it was to throw in the bars at 50 Cent.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You think that that whole entire song.

[Peach]

Yes.

[Rory]

And video and everything got done?

[Peach]

Yep.

[Rory]

Within three days?

[Peach]

Yep.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah.

[Peach]

What do you think that is? New York state of mind?

[Mall]

I mean, how many. How many shoe locations did they have in that?

[Peach]

It's outside a hotel.

[Mall]

Yeah, Like. Yeah, that shit. That's how it goes now. Shoot the video. I gotta record the song tonight, shoot the video tomorrow, which is fine.

[Rory]

But I think that it was probably a song that he was already working on. And then he got 50 cent.

[Peach]

I don't think he was working on.

[Mall]

I'm not gonna shoot that down. That might be the case. That might be the case, but it's anything. He's trying to capitalize off the moment.

[Rory]

Oh, for sure. For sure.

[Mall]

He's trying to capitalize off the moment. CI too, though, the fact that y'

[Peach]

all think King walked in the studio and told his engineer, yo, pull up that record I was working on.

[Mall]

I got bars. I got some bars for fifth.

[Peach]

That's that. That never happened.

[Rory]

So then you actually giving King more credit because the song isn't. It might not be for us and what we like, but the song isn't bad.

[Peach]

No, me and Peach were sitting here. Like, this isn't terrible.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's not bad.

[Peach]

We were really sitting here.

[Rory]

Like, if he wrote it in a. Wrote it in two days and shot the video in two days, I'm not mad at him. You got a little bit of talent, because that's not bad. That's better than what a lot of these younger rappers and his demographic are putting out.

[Mall]

So I'm not his only hitting with Damani put his pen to. Put his pen to it. Like, we know that already.

[Rory]

What do you think about TI's diss track?

[Peach]

The first listen, I said, this is definitely not getting it done. I don't love it. I have. I like it a little bit better as it plays, but it's. It's not getting it done. But with all that said, 50, you still on the clock if 50 does

[Mall]

not reply, man, y' all think I reply higher? You think 50 gonna rap, man, 50 think y' all. 50 think any. That's because ti's only, what, 46, 45. All right, so T, I still got. But definitely, if you over 48, 49, and you still rapping or dis, like, dissing, 50 is laughing at you. Especially if you making music, dissing him. He's not getting in the booth.

[Rory]

No.

[Mall]

50 is not writing new bars for none of these rappers. He's not doing that. Like, I. I don't know why people saying, you on the clock. And 50 is not rapping with none of y'.

[Peach]

All.

[Mall]

He's not doing that.

[Peach]

He's in a home. I cut you off because of her.

[Mall]

What?

[Peach]

I never said that. I think 50 Cent is gonna reply, you still on the clock. You're still a rapper.

[Rory]

He's not.

[Mall]

No, but he's not. He's not rapping because you seem to

[Rory]

think that every time anybody disses anybody that they have to respond.

[Mall]

And sometimes respond, 50 gonna respond. He. He's just not getting in the booth, though. He's not doing that. 50 is not rapping. He's not. Right. Y' all think 50 gonna sit down, write some balls aimed at T.I. he's in a whole different space in his life right now.

[Peach]

I don't think that either. But I'm saying if somebody raps, you can't just post fucking memes.

[Rory]

Yes, you can.

[Mall]

Okay?

[Rory]

And it doesn't make you any less of a rapper. And you. And nobody can take a notch off your boat.

[Mall]

But that's the game he's playing, though. He's not rapping. 50's not. 50 is not recording new music. Like, well, nah. He just actually put out a new record, like, a couple months ago. But he's not. He's not jumping in a rap battle beef one. He's not doing it.

[Rory]

Also. T.I. has, like, music. T.I. is restarting his rap career. We can see what this is.

[Mall]

Capitalize off the ball.

[Peach]

Which is fine.

[Mall]

I'm not mad at it.

[Rory]

Which is fine. But 50's not gonna do, like. And he shouldn't.

[Mall]

And 50 knows that. 50 know what he like. Oh, okay. This momentum for him, for him to get some traction on his music. Like, okay, cool. I don't think 50 is going engage in that and help that in any way. Like. No, no.

[Peach]

How do y' all feel about inconsistent with.

[Rory]

With that now? We inconsistent.

[Peach]

Anybody else, you would say that they have to rap.

[Rory]

No, they don't. You are consistent.

[Mall]

No, if 50 was still putting out albums and dropping singles, then of course I would say that he's not doing that, though. He's not in that space anymore. How long has it been since 50 has recorded? Even though he just put something?

[Peach]

Just put something.

[Mall]

But that was a. That was a verse or a song, whatever. Okay, but what is that for Is it for a 50 album that's coming? I don't know. This is what I'm saying. We don't even know what that is. Like, is that some. A feature for somebody else? I don't even know what that is.

[Rory]

I feel like they're just too old. I feel like at some point you too old for some.

[Mall]

How old is 50? It's 50. 50.

[Rory]

I'm looking at it right now.

[Peach]

You might be over 50.

[Mall]

Because if 50 is over 50, then

[Rory]

come on, bro, he's 50. 50.

[Mall]

50 is 50, okay?

[Peach]

It's magic numbers.

[Mall]

I don't want to hear no 50.

[Peach]

It's 50.

[Rory]

50.

[Mall]

If he's going to reply, I don't want to hear. If you 50, I don't want to hear you. You writing battle raps, bro.

[Peach]

Why?

[Mall]

I don't want to hear that.

[Rory]

Hearing that 50 Cent is 50 is just.

[Peach]

I mean, he was like 29 when he came out.

[Rory]

I get it, but it's just. It's like, you really too.

[Mall]

His rap beefing day should be over.

[Rory]

You really. He. All the.

[Mall]

He done did it with the best of them, bro. Like, he can't get.

[Peach]

Okay, but. All right, but to me, with this whole thing, I think it's better if a 50 year old who's a rapper raps back at another elder statesman that rapped instead of trolling on Instagram like a teenager.

[Rory]

Oh, no, I don't think he should be doing either.

[Peach]

I think it's way better for a 50 year old to be rapping than to be on.

[Mall]

IG has always been a troll.

[Peach]

And I'm fine. And I'm fine with 50 trolling.

[Rory]

And this is the conversation that me and Rory were having. Yes, he's always been a troll, but at some point we just gonna keep saying 50 a troll, or we gonna be like, yo, he old as fuck.

[Mall]

He's. It could be both. Now he's 50 and he's still a troll.

[Peach]

He's adapting to marketing.

[Mall]

He's a 50 year old troll. 50 came into the game trolling niggas. How to rob an industry nigga. That's trolling facts. That's all of that is trolling shit. So I just don't understand why he's still the same guy he was, but because he's in a different space as far as creativity. He's not entertaining, he's not doing music like he's a legacy act. He's going on world tours, performing shit that he put out years ago. He's not going on a world Tour and they coming up towards saying, yo, new album dropping next week. He not doing that. He gonna give us a new show next month. He gonna sign a new deal with a new network and create new movies and stuff. He's doing. He's in that space. He's not in the music business like that no more. 50 is not doing that. If he's in the music business, it's off his old catalog. It's off of shit that he's already put out.

[Peach]

If. Let's. Can we do a hypothetical?

[Mall]

Of course.

[Peach]

Okay. Erase the history of Nas and Jay Z. Erase. Erase it. Erase that. They had a beef already. Erase that entire thing. Okay, let's say Nas as active as he's been. Let's say for some, in some weird world, Jay Z and Nas are active on Instagram and start going back and forth and then Nas starts rapping. Do we not look at hov, who has not. He's been chilling since the God did verse that Jay's not supposed to reply.

[Mall]

Yeah, but is he a troll? Is Jay just like on just known as a troll? Is it the same thing?

[Peach]

No, it's just a bad. It's a back and forth between two rappers.

[Rory]

It's a terrible hypothetical because those two niggas would never do that.

[Peach]

That's what the definition of a hypothetical is.

[Rory]

But no, that's not the definition of a hypothetical because a hypothetical has to. Potentially this could happen. It hasn't. But potentially this could happen. That would never happen there because it. So you would look at Jay. So if Jay didn't respond. Yes, you would look at him differently also. No, if Nas went and started trolling Jay Z or they started arguing and he rapped, y' all would judge Nas because that's so out of NASA's character. Because NAS doesn't do lame. So that's why that's a bad hypothetical. Jay Z would look at that and not respond to that because it's like, what the are you doing? We're 50 something years old. Nobody would sit up there and be like, naj, you want to clock. Nas came at you. No, they weren't.

[Peach]

Both TI and and 50 were going back and forth on the Internet together. I'm saying in this hypothetical, using those two rappers, that would be going back and forth on the Internet. A hypothetical doesn't need to be true. That's kind of the point of hypothetical. I don't think Nas and Jay Z will ever go back and forth on the Internet. I'm saying Nas being an active rapper right now if they. If he had a tussle on Instagram, back and forth, and decided to rap as a reply instead of posting a meme, I think the other rapper needs to reply. You've entered the realm of a back and forth. And we both rap. And I just rapped.

[Mall]

I just think it's as simple as 50 understands what TI is trying to do. Of course. New music. He's trying to gain momentum, capitalize off that. I just think 50 is like, n. I'm not. I'm not giving you marketing right now. Like, I'm not doing that. I think that's what 50 is at. I think he gonna let TI drop because he has got a new album coming, right?

[Peach]

It appears that way. I mean, he has a great single out.

[Mall]

Like, I think he going. He going to fall back. He gonna let TI drop and anticipate TI's numbers not being good, and then he's gonna start trolling again.

[Peach]

You are. I couldn't agree more.

[Mall]

But it's just that simple. Like, I don't. I don't think it's like, I'm breaking the ice. Like, this is what 50 is doing. He's like, bro, all right, cool. Same with Fab and all of them when they just dis. 50 thought 50 was getting back in the booth to go at Fab.

[Peach]

No, I didn't think that. But I still think Fab had a crazy verse at 50, and he did.

[Mall]

We know Fab could rab his ass off. Jim had a dope song. May not we know that. I knew the whole time when he was like, yeah, nah. Fifth gonna have to. Y' all think 50 is booking studio time to write bars directed at Jim Jones Fab.

[Rory]

So there's no difference between thinking somebody's gonna do something and thinking they should do something. But I mean, like, what. What does 50 lose if he don't? He don't lose shit. Doesn't takes nothing away from him.

[Peach]

Why? I also don't think that 50's doing that because I agree with you guys. I just think in the definition of how this has been going forever, he's on the clock. But with that said, 50 has only gotten in beefs because going to benefit his career, DIs and Fab, Jim Jones, TI, etc. That's no disrespect to them. It just doesn't help 50's career because he's not in the hip hop world anymore.

[Mall]

That's what I'm saying. It does nothing.

[Peach]

He had no issue with Kanye west going head to head. Was A great marketing scheme, because at

[Mall]

the time, 50 was a mega star and so was Kanye. It was the two juggernauts like, oh, we released in the same day.

[Peach]

I bet him, him going at Fat Joe and Jada after they did the record with Ja Rule. Yes, that made sense because it was going to heighten his career. At that time. The beef made sense for marketing the Ja Rule shit. He was trying to get on. He had no real, real issue with Ja Rule until a certain point, like, I'm just trying to get on. That's the most popular rapper in my neighborhood. Like, this is a strategy. So that's why I know he's not going to do it. Because I think 50s viewed rat beef, just rap beef a way, as if it does not benefit my career, I'm never going to do it. There's been plenty of people that took shots at 50 they never replied to because it's like, no, you don't. What does this even do for me?

[Mall]

Right?

[Peach]

Like, the game was, he just left the label. This benefits my career if I keep beefing with him. And on top of that, I own his catalog. So I want him to be as hot as possible. Like, I own the doctor's advocate. 50 was walking around with a Doctor's Advocate promo team.

[Mall]

If it doesn't benefit his business, he's not doing it.

[Rory]

Of course.

[Mall]

Like, that's just that simple.

[Peach]

He can do it, but.

[Mall]

And at this point in his life, that's what he's supposed to be doing. If it's not beneficial to me business wise, if it's not doing nothing for me in my business, why am I even engaging in it?

[Rory]

But that's only when it comes to rap. Because when it comes to trolling, even though it might not benefit his business, he still does it.

[Peach]

He does it. And then hashtags, whatever brand he's working

[Mall]

on at the time, his cognac, Ain't

[Rory]

nobody paying attention to them. Hashtag Branson's.

[Mall]

At the end of the day, you don't know that. We don't know how many cases he moving each tweet, each tweet. I ain't checking how many cases is moved each tweet. I don't know.

[Peach]

To act like amazing businessmen. Like, hov get a company hot for a few months based off what they're doing and then sell the shit at the highest point. And I didn't plan on owning this company for a while.

[Mall]

He got a whole studio, a film lot he building in Baton Rouge. Yeah, like, he playing that game. Man, 50 going over there creating shows and he not paying attention. I think 50 is laughing at anybody that is his age or his peers that are still trying to make money off rap. Rap. I think that's what it is. I think he like, yo, y' all still rapping. Ain't no money in this. None of you is going on tour.

[Rory]

How do you feel about TI trying to come back with the album after the comedy thing? Because I had a conversation with somebody who was just kind of like, is giving empty nest syndrome, like, midlife crisis? Like, what the are you doing? Because you can't be a rapper and be funny. You gonna have to pick one because we ain't gonna take you serious on one of them.

[Peach]

Mad rappers are funny.

[Mall]

I don't know if I'm putting mad in front of rappers are funny, but

[Rory]

yeah, I don't know. They might be naturally funny. They're not trying to be comedians.

[Peach]

Oh, no, I agree there. I think that's, that's unfair. Ti's been actively. Right. He's not one of those rappers that took a huge break. I mean, yeah, there's some, some gaps there. When he got a little bit older, but he, TI has been pretty active. Even when I considered him a legacy act, he had a, a number one record with Young Thug. Like, TI's kept a hit. TI has always been active. I think that's unfair to do to, to the older artists. Like, yeah, nobody thinks Bruce Springsteen's having a midlife crisis. Like, I, I just, I think that's,

[Mall]

I think that's fast as midlife, late life crisis.

[Peach]

Okay, I'm saying when he was TI's age, like, the B Street Band was still.

[Mall]

When he was CIA's age, he was selling out the Garden for a month.

[Peach]

Like, what are you talking about, a giant stadium?

[Mall]

Yeah, like, are you kidding me? Like, that wasn't.

[Peach]

But no, but still making music, like, again, we've talked about this plenty of times. Rap is the only genre that frowns upon older artists continuing their career outside of what we've seen hov Nas, et cetera, do.

[Mall]

Listen, I tell y' all all the time, and y' all keep telling rappers don't retire.

[Rory]

We know.

[Mall]

No, no, not that rappers don't retire. Once you start making movies and films as a rapper, there is no coming back. Nas gave us Belly and got the fuck outta Hollywood. He gave us. And Belly was like, low key. That could have just been like a long rap video.

[Rory]

That was hon. It was a tubi movie.

[Mall]

Yeah, like, that wasn't like. But Once you start really, like, yo, once you really start jumping into, like, TV and film, you can't come back to rap.

[Peach]

Okay, fair. But I feel like TI had the. The Young Thug about the Money record, and I think he had been in Takers at that point in ATL and like, TI did ATL and had a very successful rap career after a major motion film.

[Mall]

True.

[Peach]

He's one of the few that. That has stayed consistent after doing big movies.

[Mall]

True. What I'm saying is when you go into TV and film as a rapper, it is very hard to come back and people take you serious in music. It's just tough.

[Peach]

I think TI is probably one of the. The very few outside of, like, the fun state properties and like, shit like that, like, real, actual movies. TI Is one of the few. Does he stay consistent after. Oh, yeah. Ludacris is a.

[Mall]

If a ludicrous album dropped tomorrow. What?

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Is not running to the lewd.

[Mall]

I know for sure. Ryan said. Ryan's 23. He said he knows T.I. as a actor, not even as a rapper. 23 years old. He just said that then.

[Peach]

I mean, ATL was 06. I mean, T.I. had a great rap career after that, and I thought that was a great.

[Mall]

But again, ATL is similar to Paid in Full and Belly. It's still rap. It's still Atlanta. It's still. It's kind of. It's not far away from. Yeah, but even that. That's when it started a list. Yeah, but that's when it started to get a little like, oh, ti's really sure. Acting.

[Peach]

And I'm not saying that whenever. See, this is where my point does fail. The all about the Money record with Young Thug. I can't really tell you what else is on that TI album, but that was a very, very big record. But before that, TI was still acting, and I thought I had big ones. He's one of the few. I think that's going to change, though. I think with that era, that happens. But these kids Jack Harlow's doing movies with, with Ben Affleck and Matt Damon, like, times are changing. I think we're going to see more of that. Where rappers are going to have to also do movies in the peak of their career.

[Mall]

Yeah, I don't want to see Jack Harlow acting, though.

[Peach]

He wasn't bad. I mean, he. He wasn't in the movie that long, but he wasn't terrible.

[Mall]

You didn't see White Men Can't Jump?

[Peach]

Oh, no.

[Mall]

I've refused to see him watch that.

[Peach]

I saw him in Dave.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Peach]

And that's small.

[Mall]

The white men can't jump, too.

[Peach]

Yeah, I know. I refuse.

[Mall]

Once he showed me them in the gym playing ball, I'm like, this ain't even. White men can't jump no more. They gym. Like, what is this shit?

[Peach]

I refuse. Well, I mean, listen, man. Will Smith had a great freestyle on lyrical lemonade after his movie career.

[Mall]

You thought that was hard. Y' all really got mad at me that I came in here and trashed that shit.

[Peach]

Cut it off.

[Mall]

Oh, man. See, y' all don't never put the gold out. Y' all always want to touch the.

[Peach]

We put that on Patreon.

[Mall]

Like, y' all want to tuck the. We should.

[Peach]

We should put the lyrical lemonade Will Smith Mall rant on. On Patreon.

[Mall]

Y' all was sitting here like, nah, Will don't know if he want to do this. This. Why is he doing this? Nobody wants to see Will Smith rapping.

[Peach]

Midlife crisis.

[Mall]

Y' all are crazy, man. Do we have voicemails? Sponsored by Boost Mobile. Unlimited talk, text and data. You've got mail. Peace. Rory Mall Demaris, everybody in the studio. I'm a day one listener. Longtime listener.

[Rory]

Fuck with y'.

[Mall]

All. All that stuff. The question I have today, it's not necessarily a Valentine's Day question. It's more of a romantic relationship question. But I still think it might apply

[Peach]

to what y' all trying to discuss today.

[Mall]

I am an emotional ass, monogamous ass nigga who got married at 25. I'm 33 now. I'm about a decade in, and I'm wondering, like, when do y' all think that the hall pass conversation should come up or if it should ever come up? You know, I'm about a decade in. As the monogamous, emotional nigger that I am, I don't really feel like I

[Peach]

need one right now.

[Mall]

But 5, 10, 15, 20 years in the future, I might think about, you know, so what do y' all think about how that conversation should go down? Like, what location, when it should happen? Yeah, I'm interested in hearing y' all thoughts.

[Rory]

Not location.

[Mall]

Why would you want.

[Peach]

Why you want to tell you where you should get some pussy?

[Mall]

I like the fact that he's saying, like, he ain't thinking about it right now. Nigga, you thinking about it right now. That's why you cleared it up.

[Peach]

You're whispering in your bathroom recording this so your wife doesn't hear it.

[Mall]

Yeah, like you're. You thinking about a hall pass. You want a hall pass tomorrow?

[Peach]

I Don't think you're emotional and monogamous because, one, you repeated it twice. I think you're manipulative. Oh, Jesus.

[Rory]

Okay, well, why he telling you that? He being honest with you? You calling them manipulative?

[Mall]

I think. I think. I don't know if hall passes are good.

[Peach]

I don't think so.

[Mall]

It's never good knowing your partner slept with somebody. Like, I don't care if it was, like, talked about beforehand, and it's like, it's just not. That's not a good feeling. Like, I think that changes everything in a relationship.

[Rory]

But some people. I hear you, and I agree. Some people give hall passes. They'll give a hall pass and just be like, oh. Or a hall pass is if. Like, if this happens or I run into this, can I use it? Some people say, don't tell me when you use it. You have it, but don't tell me.

[Mall]

Hell, nah. Knowing your girl got a hall pass, first of all, knowing. I just don't understand the type of relationships people be in knowing that your girl. You telling your girl, nah, you can sleep with somebody else, but just don't tell me about it. All right? Marijuanas. Like, what. What you mean you gave your girl permission to sleep with somebody else, and you just don't want to know when she do it?

[Rory]

It.

[Mall]

What do we talk. I don't even understand. Like. And I get it, y' all be saying, yo, Mo, you vanilla, you sex. Shut the up. That's why none of you is happy in your relationship, number one. Number two, telling your girl, yo, nah, you can sleep with somebody else. Just. Just don't tell me, though, how is that a healthy relationship? What is healthy about that?

[Rory]

I. What I will to. I want to harp on his context, because I think that his context is important. He said he got. They got married very young, and he 25.

[Mall]

Ain't that young to get married in

[Rory]

this day and age. It kind of is.

[Peach]

Not in Virginia, but I hear you.

[Rory]

He's saying, when does that conversation.

[Mall]

In Mexico, they late. I'm sorry. That was unnecessary. My bad. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Go ahead.

[Rory]

He's saying, when. When. Could this be a realistic conversation? I think that he's being realistic. If you're 25 years old and you're really in this for. For keeps, you could be married for the next 50 years. And yes, people do it, but we ain't gonna act like people ain't step out. People ain't have. Like, this is a realistic conversation. You're expected to Sleep with the same person for 50 years. That's not for everybody. So a lot of people are having those conversations. I don't think it's an unrealistic conversation.

[Mall]

I think if you having that conversation, you're not satisfied in your relationship.

[Rory]

I don't think so.

[Mall]

Because if you satisfy like your girl is everything to you, the sex is incredible. You can't even fathom sleeping with somebody else if your man is satisfying you. And it's every. You can't even the thought of another man climbing on top of you would make you throw up.

[Peach]

Up. Yes.

[Rory]

I think that if you're happy. I think that we are the wrong sir. I think you called into the wrong podcast. None of us are married and have not been in relationships over 10 years. So I, I think that that's. It's a different conversation with those people.

[Peach]

I think it's definitely tougher for people that are married at 25 and now 33 with the constant amount of other people they're subjected to every single day. I think it with the human brain. I don't think he's crazy for thinking that. My question is, does she get a hall pass? That's something that he left out.

[Rory]

Out.

[Mall]

Well, yeah.

[Peach]

Does a hall pass go both ways or do you just want to another girl?

[Mall]

I think hall passes go both ways. I think. I don't know where he got.

[Peach]

I've never been a part of.

[Mall]

He might be pimping. Like she can't do it, but he can. I don't know. I know this gentleman. He might be pimping.

[Peach]

I didn't take that as he was suggesting that she had one as well. I think he was saying.

[Mall]

He said a whole past conversation call. Yeah.

[Rory]

He didn't say for me. He said a hall pass conversation. I'm sure he's thought about like, if I ask for one, she might ask for one.

[Peach]

Yeah. Cuz I, I think that's just gonna. Cause obviously we don't know his wife and how she would take that conversation. I just think it's not gonna go the way he thinks it's gonna go. Or. Or if it goes the way he wants it to go, he's gonna start to feel insecure of how ready she was to say yes with it. Because now you're looking at your. Hey, maybe she do the hall pass through. She's like, yeah, now you're looking at your girl like, okay, you know why?

[Mall]

Because this is the part of the whole pass that you don't see talk about. She already know who she want to she already know the is already print promed and ready to go. The can't wait for her to be like yo, like she know your girl know if she get the opportunity to step out on you especially if it's like it's okay like it's a green light, like it's a hall pass. She know she know where that live. She's she probably already connected to the wi fi she been there already.

[Peach]

And and Tom's point, if she has a hall pass and you have a hall pass and you both agree and you feel okay about it, it's going to be way easier in the streets for her than it is for you. If you are this monogamous person that you say you are, you can't just go back into the wild after eight years of being a house cat and think you about to just fall into some pussy.

[Mall]

Nah nah, you got it Depends on your game. Depends on your game.

[Peach]

He can pick up a jump in the bar. He doesn't even know how to flirt at this point.

[Mall]

You come back like Jordan wearing the fourth five. You right back in the game.

[Peach]

And I don't even the streets was

[Mall]

waiting for you to come back.

[Rory]

Hate to play games with you. It's the angel probably ma you if

[Mall]

I'm married for 10 years and I come outside one night like yo I got the hall pass I'm knocking something down immediately. I already know I'm it ain't gonna be no yoga. I need to fund some money. Dude. I'm getting pushed.

[Peach]

He's been monogamous.

[Mall]

I'm just saying I can't speak for

[Peach]

10 years just because you monogamous. Maybe more than that because they've been married for almost 10 years.

[Mall]

They could have been together that you not you know the ladies don't think you cool personality you hate I'm not saying that.

[Peach]

But you haven't even you don't even know what's going on outside anymore. Based off what he said.

[Mall]

Who cares what's going on outside? Who gives a what Ja Rule thinks at a time like this? You don't I got a whole pastor tonight. I just need some I don't care who's depressed. I don't care who's homeless. I don't give a do are you are you not on your menstrual let's tonight I need to push you tonight. He running red lights on the hall pack.

[Peach]

Is that worth worth your girl getting as well because who knows who you're gonna run into to use that hall pass how long you gonna last? Like, you could really waste your hall pass on busting in 30 seconds because you've never been in another vagina for 10 years, and it's just happy to be here. And she could be getting a black, like, back blown out over you, bro. Do you know how is that worth your girl getting?

[Rory]

Do you know how mad I would be if I found out that I gave my man a hall pass and he went and busted in 30 seconds? You got this thinking that my coochie whack because you couldn't control your motherfucking self. You act like you ain't never had nothing nice before.

[Mall]

It be like that.

[Peach]

Oh, I would be.

[Mall]

It be like that.

[Peach]

He's been in the same vagina for 10 years. His dick is gonna be like, wait, where the fuck we at? And maybe get a little excited.

[Mall]

Hall pass is fucking.

[Peach]

And you doing all that so your girl could also get fucked and maybe better.

[Mall]

First of all, when did hall pass start?

[Peach]

Owen Wilson, the movie, I think.

[Rory]

No, it was a thing way before that. It's always been a thing.

[Mall]

No, it hasn't.

[Peach]

I wasn't aware of it until the movie, honestly.

[Mall]

No, it has not. My uncles, my pops. Ain't nobody upset.

[Peach]

Yeah, you know, they did the honorable things.

[Mall]

I let your moms go out one night. I've never heard that. At the cookout.

[Rory]

Well, that's because this is. And this is the thing. This is why I said, people have been married before. And they're like, you know, my grandparents were married for 50 years, but you got an auntie that ain't. You know what I'm saying? People have stepped out before. It just was not.

[Mall]

No, no, no, no. People have stepped out and were aware.

[Rory]

No, no, no, no, no. People have been aware in their marriages of size before. It was just don't ask, don't tell. It was very much don't ask, don't tell.

[Peach]

But that's not a hall pass.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's not a hall pass, though. That's different. That's not what you're saying.

[Peach]

That's accepting cheating.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's different. I'm talking about, yo, babe, here. Yo, tonight, go ahead, go out with the girls, and if you see somebody at the bar that you.

[Rory]

But that's not usually how hall passes work. Every hall pass I've ever.

[Mall]

Well, now it's different. Cause y' all know exactly where the nigga live, what time he get off work, when he come into town. Y' all know exactly. Yeah, y' all know who y' all going to sleep with. If your man gave you a hall pass. Y' all know exactly who the guy is. There's no, like, I wouldn't take it. You wouldn't take the hall, Pat?

[Rory]

I wouldn't take the hall. No. That's prefer psychology.

[Mall]

But you wouldn't take it on the show.

[Rory]

I'm not no idiot.

[Mall]

You wouldn't take it because you don't want him. Your man to take it.

[Rory]

No.

[Mall]

So why wouldn't you take it?

[Rory]

I wouldn't take it because I would feel like that's reverse psychology. I feel like you're telling me, yeah, you could go do this. You don't really want me to go do it, though. I wouldn't do it.

[Mall]

No. All right. I understand what you're. I'm talking about if you know, your man is like, yo, listen, I don't

[Rory]

date men like that. So I can't. Again, a hypothetical. That would never happen. I can't speak for that.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

Cause it just is so unrealistic to me.

[Peach]

And then. But also with the hall pass thing, this is what I want to know. Because it's a one time thing. So if you bust quick, whatever. It's just one night. Let's say it's the greatest sex ever. It's a one time thing. What is that solving in the next 50 years of our marriage?

[Mall]

Yeah. I don't know. That's why. I don't understand why. Because it's like, all right, you.

[Peach]

So now I'm gonna think about this when I you for the next 50 years.

[Mall]

Yeah. Like you've had sex with somebody just for the night and that was. You just wanted to go have sex with somebody else.

[Peach]

Like, is it a hall pass for the rest of our marriage where we're just in an open, like, open relationship? Even though I couldn't do that. Make way more sense to me than a one night thing.

[Rory]

Sometimes it could just be curiosity. It could just be like, yo, like, we've been doing this for so long, let's try something new, whatever.

[Peach]

But that's going to be a. If it's one night, it's just going to be a stain that's there for such an unnecessary reason because nothing's going to change for the next 50 years of your relationship because you somebody one night.

[Mall]

20 years ago, I never understood the. The definition of what the purpose.

[Peach]

I've never met anyone that's had a hall pass. I've, I've. I thought it was honestly a movie.

[Rory]

Hall passes to me when I've had Discussions about him and my relationships were always, if you. There's this one person that if I met this person, yo, you gotta let me. Because I wanted to do it so badly.

[Peach]

I've heard those before.

[Rory]

Those, those I really understand.

[Mall]

Because I don't understand that either.

[Rory]

Man. I get that it's this one.

[Peach]

Men that do that are dumb. Cause bro, she's gonna run into somebody you're not.

[Mall]

Like, imagine. Imagine you being married for eight years and your girl like, you know I love you, but yo, yo, if Denzel ever back out to swam me on, I'm sucking it.

[Rory]

But I said that. But, but this is the thing. That's the conversation that usually happens within the first two years of the relationship.

[Peach]

Yo. And in 99% of relationships that aren't celebrity based, I am not running into Rihanna. She may run into Michael B. Jordan. Why would you agree to that?

[Rory]

Why is every man's hall pass Rihanna? Every man's hall pass Is Rihanna

[Peach]

thinking Rihanna Would any of us. You know, it was me.

[Rory]

Like, I ran into what I've run into a few of my hall passes that I had made with other men. A few of them I never slept.

[Peach]

Men. And men are gonna lose that battle every time. Because I promise you. All right, never mind. Forget. Forget. I just said. Said that entire thing. I say all that to say I don't really understand the hall pass thing. I don't think it solves anything. I think if you are already thinking that way, maybe you should have an open relationship conversation. Because I think if you get a taste of the streets with a hall pass, it's not going to stop and it's just going to make everything more awkward. And I think if she's excited for it, it's going to make you feel even crazier.

[Rory]

I think if you get a taste of the streets, usually as a man that's been married for eight years and you really, really love your wife, you get a taste of the streets and you going to love her more. You're going to love her more.

[Peach]

Oh, no. The streets is cooked out here. Streets is done. But if you're trying to have some fun, the streets is wide open.

[Rory]

Even if you go to. But a married man that trying to

[Peach]

find a wife in this bunch. No, it's cooked. I'm saying. But if you want to have fun,

[Rory]

yeah, there's plenty of wives out there. But yeah, I hear you.

[Mall]

Plenty of wives I want to meet. There's a certain aesthetic to the people that have all passes. Anybody I know who has ever like, let their girl like. Or let their. They. It's a certain aesthetic to them.

[Rory]

They. Their fingernails dirty.

[Mall]

Nobody want to sleep with you. I'm talking about ones that have actually went through with it. Like, you ain't that attractive. It was like, oh, I let my girl go. It's like, all right, who hit it? Who hit that? Like, all right.

[Peach]

Yeah, that's. That's why, like, when we talk about the nude beach stuff, I also think the same thing. Another myth about the sex clubs and the swingers clubs. I don't think you about to find some badass in the world clubs in the swingers club. I've never been. I wouldn't know.

[Rory]

You're wrong about.

[Peach]

Oh, okay. See, you're wrong.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Peach]

I just. I'm assuming that maybe they don't have.

[Rory]

No.

[Peach]

The best. I think.

[Rory]

But you have two attractive friends who have told you that they've gone to those things. They've been with attractive men when they've. Like, that's. No, that's. That's just horniness. Them.

[Mall]

The new beach.

[Rory]

No, not new beaches. The. The sex and swingers clubs.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah. I'm not into.

[Peach]

Maybe not the ones that she was going to with her man. I do think kind of the way the nude beaches and those like, certain resorts that are made for swingers and, like, you put something on your door, I don't think you're getting the best bunch.

[Rory]

Oh, the upside down pineapple people.

[Peach]

Yeah. That you guys have told me about. I don't think those married couples is really who you should be. But that's just me.

[Mall]

I'm just not into that.

[Rory]

You don't like that?

[Mall]

Like.

[Rory]

Like, I don't like nobody. Like, that ain't.

[Peach]

Don't do that because you got. He got wooed at the bar and went up to the. The hotel room.

[Mall]

What bar?

[Rory]

The swinger.

[Peach]

He was almost there.

[Rory]

Yeah. Chuck Liddell. Almost got.

[Mall]

Oh, nah, but I mean, that wasn't happen. I. I know. I know how it looked like that could have been the case, but that. That definitely was not gonna happen. But. Yeah, I just. I don't know. That whole. I just don't know, man. Like, is. It's like, who is it? Where you from? Like, you're supposed to just get, like, naked and just climb on top of this. Like, ugh. You don't. Like, you don't be knowing people. Like, how you just get naked and start. Like, random people.

[Rory]

That's always. Yeah, that's very.

[Mall]

That shit is crazy to me. I'm sorry. Like, People, smells and senses. Like, yo, you don't know what you in for with this. Like, I just don't know how people be like, yo, I'm going to swingers club. Like, word. Like, what it smell like in there.

[Rory]

I'm sorry, my. Ooh, nothing.

[Peach]

Do you have to sign, like, waivers? And like, do you have to come with an OCD test?

[Mall]

I would hope so.

[Rory]

No, you. I don't think so. Some you do. The super exclusive ones, you do have to have a clean bill of rights. But a lot of them.

[Mall]

Clean bill of rights is hilarious.

[Rory]

No.

[Peach]

Yo, if I walked into a sex club and they just come on in, sir, you gotta.

[Rory]

Well, you gotta sign a waiver. You have to sign a waiver. Same thing with like, skiing. Like, if you hurt yourself, it ain't on us.

[Peach]

No, I get the waiver part of anything. Anything happens, it's fragile. I'm talking about if you don't show up with your paperwork. Like, are you good?

[Rory]

Yeah. Rory.

[Peach]

What?

[Rory]

You ask for their paperwork when you.

[Mall]

Them.

[Peach]

I'm talking about if you're in a venue of a sex club.

[Rory]

No, but what does that mean? You think people who are in sex clubs are dirtier than just regular people? You.

[Peach]

I know, I. I don't think that whatsoever. I think I've told you before, I think strippers are probably cleaner because their whole job is defined on that part of their body. Strippers or porn stars and escorts, I think they're a lot cleaner than the chicks that just be out in the club.

[Mall]

Strippers and porn star escorts is two totally different things.

[Rory]

They're three.

[Peach]

Well, sometimes they're all. They all do the same.

[Mall]

Well, that's.

[Peach]

They check all the same.

[Mall]

That's triple. Double.

[Peach]

Some people are writers, producers and rappers.

[Mall]

Yeah, multi talented, multi faceted.

[Peach]

But if, you know, I think an escort. The hot, like, I think high end escorts probably take care of their sexual health more than the average girl that's just out in the club getting. I really do well for work.

[Mall]

You have.

[Peach]

Because it's their job.

[Mall]

Escorts. I don't know porn. If you're in the porn industry, you get tested for. Oh, yeah, no, of course you have to.

[Peach]

But. And that's what I'm saying, that at a sex club in a venue that is. Is made for this. We couldn't even walk in the airport without a Covid swab. If I'm walking into a place that's designed for a bunch of people to each other, I think it's a sane thing to go, well, can you bring A current STD test.

[Mall]

Oh, no, for sure. I don't think I agree with that.

[Peach]

Yeah, I understand what Demer is trying to say. Yes. Have I slept with a stranger before? Of course I have. Have. But the whole hotel wasn't designed for everybody to each other.

[Mall]

I don't know. I'm just too much of a germaphobe, man. Like, I can't. I'm lay down on this bed with four just finished. Fuck me.

[Rory]

Ooh. Ooh.

[Mall]

I'm not. I just can't see me getting turned on in that environment. I can't. Like, I just. I would be, like. I would be looking around too much, like, yo, how many. He was just laying, like, I'm supposed to lay where homie was just laying at, like.

[Peach]

And, you know, Maul's not.

[Mall]

I'm not doing that.

[Peach]

Maul's not showing up when. When doors open. So by the time mall gets there, those sheets have been used. Yeah, like, a lot.

[Mall]

The windows is foggy. The walls is wet.

[Peach]

There's handprints.

[Mall]

Yeah, I'm cool. It smell crazy in here. It smelled like open butthole in here. Like, I'm cool. I'm not absolutely, like, yo, I'm next. I'm not.

[Rory]

Well, some people go and just observe, Ma. Some people go and, like, they go with their girl and they just, like, they get a drink because there's usually bars in there. They get a drink and they just watch.

[Mall]

I'm cool. We can go watch something else. Paradise is back on Hulu.

[Peach]

There's so many. It's so many amount of streaming sites there are.

[Mall]

It's so many things we could go watch, man. Like, I. I just don't know if I want to watch that. But, I mean, Teach is on.

[Peach]

That's a fun third date.

[Mall]

Yeah, like, teach is on. Whatever, man. All right, well, we'll be back in a couple days. Well, tomorrow, right? Yeah, yeah, we'll be back tomorrow.

[Rory]

We'll be back tomorrow.

[Mall]

All right, so we'll see y' all in a couple. Be safe, be blessed. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. Peace.

[Rory]

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