Episode 468 | Musiq Snowchild

Summary

New Rory & MAL — Episode 468 | Musiq Snowchild (March 17, 2026)

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Episode Overview

This lively episode drops on St. Patrick’s Day and sees co-hosts Rory and Mall, along with Damaris, diving into new stories, personal laughs, and a fresh batch of hot takes. Centered around recent pop culture, music releases (with a focus on Jack Harlow’s ambitious “Monica” project), viral internet moments, and social debates, the crew balances tongue-in-cheek humor with candid commentary. The episode touches on everything from St. Patty’s traditions, Twitter memes, music genre crossovers, artists calling out outrage culture, and navigating skepticism in love and business.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Opening Banter & St. Patrick’s Day (03:18 – 06:50)

• Mall wishes Rory a happy St. Patrick’s Day, joking about Irish traditions and not succumbing to commercialized celebrations.
• Childhood stories arise as the gang compares old school picture day memories and shared banter about their baby photos.
• Memorable Moment: Damaris and Rory sharing stories of biting kids and getting kicked out of daycare.
• Quote: Rory: “Biters unite.” (08:01)

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Social Media & Parents Online (09:45 – 12:34)

• Conversation about how their parents share memes, get caught up in viral/A.I. hoaxes, and struggle to distinguish what’s real.
• Rory tells a story about explaining to elders that “You have to be gay to win an Oscar” is internet fake news.
• Notable for the generational gap in digital literacy and navigating family group chats.

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Oscars Discussion: MBJ, ‘Sinners,’ and Conan’s Rough Night (12:34 – 14:45)

• Celebrates Michael B. Jordan’s Best Actor Oscar win for “Sinners,” and Ryan Coogler’s Best Original Screenplay.
• Brief discussion of Conan O’Brien’s cautious monologue at the Oscars—hosts feel the crowd was stiff or overly sensitive.
• Quote: Damaris on Conan: “They didn’t laugh at him during fucking St. Patty’s weekend. That’s crazy as shit, bro.” (14:22)

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The Curious Tale of “Big Dick Buster” (14:48 – 18:29)

• Rory receives a late-night text about meeting Hank Strong, aka “Big Dick Buster” from ‘Godfather of Harlem.’ Mall clarifies the story behind the nickname and its role in the show.
• Led to a hilarious, if dark, sidebar about over-the-top criminal organization characters.

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Music Round-Up

Jack Harlow’s “Monica” — The White Elephant in the Room (18:32 – 45:49)

• Detailed, comedic yet thoughtful breakdown of Jack Harlow’s sudden pivot from rap to neo-soul with his new album “Monica.”
• The hosts highlight both the internet’s relentless meme onslaught (e.g., “IRS1,” “January 6th & Park,” “Jew Hill”) and their own nuanced takes.
• Rory questions Harlow’s authenticity vs. Mac Miller’s organic genre evolution, critiques the “costume” approach, and laments the box-checking, e.g., Electric Lady Studios and neo-soul aesthetics.
• Quote: Rory: “Sometimes checking too many boxes is the wrong thing. Sometimes going, you know what? I want to make a neo soul album and record it in Electric Lady is like, all right, man, let's pull it back a bit. How about you be your version of this?” (25:12)
• Hosts debate whether Harlow’s audience will support the transformation, and if he’s established enough to genre-hop.
• Notable Quotes:
  • “IRS1 was definitely one of my favorites.” — Rory (20:59)
  • “‘Bland Nubian’ — proud boys to men. They’ve been tearing his ass up.” — Mall (21:47)
  • “Don’t Glenn Lewis the entire project. The entire project is safe. Like, that’s what’s weird about it.” — Rory (43:49)
• Damaris and Mall speculate if this career move is premature and whether Harlow now “can’t go back” to pure rap without further confusing his audience.

Other New Releases & Quick Hits (45:49 – 54:10)

• James Blake’s “Trying Times” album gets praise for returning to R&B/electronic roots, with Rory noting relief after the Yachty project.
• Alex Isley’s new single “West Side” is discussed as a blend of beauty and vocal talent.
• Saha drops another single as part of his rollout, earning appreciation for consistency.

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Viral Moments & Social Commentary

LaRussell’s “Heaven Sent” Controversy (54:56 – 66:18)

• The crew discusses LaRussell’s track referencing infamous figures (Epstein, Adolf) as “heaven sent,” provoking discomfort and jokes.
• Rory and Damaris question the meaning and value of the message; Mall defends the need to hear the full record before judging.
• Quote: Rory: “What was groundbreaking about telling me that Epstein was created by God?” (59:29)

Doja Cat’s Public Accountability Admission (77:03 – 85:19)

• The hosts dissect Doja Cat’s viral admission of ‘virtue signaling’ when she jumped on a Timothy Chalamet criticism she didn’t really care about, praising her rare candor.
• Quote: Rory: “To hear an A list artist, like, admit this shit. Because this is everybody on the Internet. Y’all do not care about the things you’re outraged about.” (79:03)
• Damaris pushes back, questioning if public self-awareness should be celebrated, or just expected.

Timothy Chalamet, Ballet, and Dying Art Forms (92:22 – 102:45)

• Debate over Timothy’s comment on ballet & opera being “dying” arts; Damaris defends the importance of supporting performing arts, especially regarding access and privilege.
• Analogies made to karate classes and the small percentage who ‘stick with it;’ tension rises over respecting niche art and whether outrage is justified.

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Relationships, Pessimism, & Optimism (68:12 – 76:55)

• Conversation pivots to personal outlooks: Rory’s “positive pessimism,” Mall’s skepticism regarding romance, and Damaris pushing for the beauty of falling in and out of love.
• Quote: Mall: “We all have examples of people that we were like, damn, like they love each other. And then one day you be like, what happened? Oh, you know, just irreconcilable differences… I believe in love. I believe that you should be in love… But come on, we know.” (73:11)
• Exploration of how their upbringings and career paths color their expectations toward business, relationships, and success.

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Sports Segment (103:22 – 112:36)

• Quick takes on the Knicks’ playoff prospects and Clay Thompson’s not-so-stellar season (with jokes about his relationship with Megan).
• Discussion of Bam Adebayo’s controversial 83-point game, how big records invite strategic play, and where sportsmanship lines blur.
• Quote: Mall: “You can’t go out and score 83 in a fucking high school game… but keep the same energy.” (108:54)
• Announcement of Mike WiLL Made-It’s new album “RESET” coming March 20, with anticipated tracks from J.Cole, NBA Youngboy x Chief Keef, Travis Porter, T.I., and more.

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Miscellaneous Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Jack Harlow’s “Monica”:
  • “QAnon Tip.” (22:49)
  • “D’Angelo was funny, but they spelled it the Italian way.” (22:29)
• On Virtue Signaling: “I did that because I needed some attention that day, so I did it.” — Rory interpreting Doja’s perspective.
• On Love: “People fall in love and they also fall out of love.” — Mall (75:20)
• On Co-Parenting: “The beautiful thing about co-parenting is you get days off…” — Damaris (76:16)
• On Applauding Accountability: “I think in this day and age it’s cool to hear somebody admit this.” — Rory (86:27)

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Timestamps of Important Segments

• 03:18 – 06:50: St. Patrick’s Day, childhood photo banter
• 09:45 – 12:34: Parents on social media and AI fake news
• 12:34 – 14:45: Oscars, Michael B. Jordan’s win, Conan’s monologue
• 14:48 – 18:29: “Big Dick Buster” story
• 18:32 – 45:49: Jack Harlow “Monica” breakdown and memes
• 45:49 – 54:10: James Blake, Alex Isley, Saha music reactions
• 54:56 – 66:18: LaRussell’s “Heaven Sent” controversy
• 68:12 – 76:55: Love, relationships, and skepticism
• 77:03 – 85:19: Doja Cat, virtue signaling, and internet outrage
• 92:22 – 102:45: Timothy Chalamet, ballet & opera discourse
• 103:22 – 112:36: NBA talk (Knicks, Mavericks, Bam’s 83-point game), Mike WiLL “RESET” announcement

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Tone & Style

The episode flows with humorous, irreverent banter, sharp pop culture references, and authentic vulnerability. While much is played for laughs (memes, self-deprecation, off-the-cuff jokes), there’s also a real attempt to probe the meaning of artistic intent, cultural appropriation, and modern-day virtue signaling.

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Final Thoughts

Episode 468 is a classic New Rory & MAL mix: music nerd-outs, internet culture roasting, tough-love advice, and nuanced social takes. Whether debating Jack Harlow’s authenticity, celebrating Doja Cat’s rare public self-awareness, or exposing their own biases about love and art, the hosts riff with insight and plenty of laughs—making the episode both compelling and relatable for anyone invested in the current rap, R&B, and pop culture landscape.

Transcript

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[Daniel Cormier]

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[Mall]

We not rolling. Is this thing on? Is this thing on?

[Rory]

It is on.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah. We are back.

[Rory]

Too bad. Drag in the building.

[Mall]

Happy Monday, my brother. First of all, Happy St. Patrick's Day. I want my green for you today, Roy. What? My green.

[Rory]

I don't know if it's a clap, per se.

[Mall]

I mean, it's. Happy St. Patty's Day, man. You are Irish. Brother in arms. So we got to support you today. Yeah.

[Rory]

And I take St. Patrick's Day very serious. I didn't wear green just because I don't. I don't really submit to the commercialism and capitalism of what they've done with my culture. Yeah, but it is a very important day. It is a good representation of our faith and getting the English, the out of here. Love diary shots. Iraq. Yeah.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

That's really where I'm. I'm at with it. But, yeah, everyone, amateur day. And enjoy. I don't think you're celebrating Irish culture, but, you know, whatever. I'll be. I'll be on. I'll be on for that.

[Mall]

Is Pops in town?

[Rory]

No, he's in Florida. Yeah, I was trying. I was trying to get him to come up. I went to my godfather's over the weekend. We did a little St. Patrick's Day thing with the kids and everything, but I'll be.

[Mall]

Corned beef.

[Rory]

Yeah, I'll be on. I'll be on fifth. If you're listening to this, I'm on Fifth Avenue.

[Mall]

You're on Fifth Ave. Right now with.

[Rory]

With. With Amara, with the rest of the lads.

[Mall]

What. What do they call the women? Like, lads or guys? Right. Irish.

[Rory]

You think we acknowledge.

[Mall]

Never mind.

[Rory]

I think that's cute that you think their name is Kitchen. Kitchen. That's a joke, guys.

[Mall]

We call a stove.

[Rory]

That's the original stove. God.

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[Rory]

Yes.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I heard. Also, I read all your comments over the weekend. All you out there.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You do believe the potato famine was a genocide? That's what you're talking about, right? Yes.

[Mall]

All right, cool.

[Rory]

As long as we're on the same page.

[Mall]

That's what I'm talking about. Yes. But I read some of the comments over the weekend. Everybody was killing me. It's okay, man. I take it all It's. I welcome it. I understand.

[Damaris]

They said you were a cute baby. Did they? When I posted your baby, they said Rory looked like a coal miner.

[Mall]

But yeah, Rory, why were you so.

[Rory]

I don't know. I have to ask. I think my dad took that. I have to ask exactly where I was.

[Mall]

Was it take your kid to work there?

[Rory]

I have no idea.

[Mall]

Were you with Jake in the junk?

[Rory]

I have no idea where this. It's just a. Hilarious.

[Mall]

You look like a runaway, a stowaway. Like he was underneath the gray hound with the luggage, which is cra.

[Rory]

Like, I'm sure I ate fine that day. I didn't, like, I didn't look like you.

[Mall]

It doesn't look like you were starving at all. It just looked like you were doing something.

[Damaris]

It was the shirt off your shirt. Like you just.

[Rory]

No, but that was, that was. Come on, that's fashion. Yeah. Come on, man.

[Damaris]

Oh, you looked unloved.

[Mall]

Couldn't see that, baby.

[Rory]

Yeah, they said I would rock that shirt now though. I would like a dinosaur shirt like that right now.

[Damaris]

Yeah, they said ma look like he belonged in, you know, a 90s, like R B group. They said you had a button up turtleneck. They never seen that before, but they don't notice.

[Rory]

It's not a cardigan.

[Mall]

He's a cardigan. See, I was cardigan before Cardigan like you. I don't even know what cardigan's was back then, man. That was like 80. I want to say 87, maybe 88.

[Rory]

Jesus. And that's a. That's a live background, right?

[Damaris]

Yeah. Come on.

[Rory]

That's not at the mall.

[Mall]

You know where I was at?

[Rory]

That's not strip mall on 160 floors next to the movie theater.

[Mall]

That's Ireland. I was in Ireland right there.

[Rory]

I know exactly where you took that photo.

[Mall]

I was in Ireland, man. I was in Ireland. Don't tell nobody where I was.

[Rory]

Yeah, the northern Bronx. That part of Ireland.

[Mall]

Yeah, man, that was picture day, man. You know, picture day in school you had to get. I remember the funny thing about it,

[Rory]

your mom got money, though, because to get that background instead of the generic one, you had a different envelope. You had a different envelope.

[Mall]

I'm crying.

[Rory]

You had a different envelope.

[Mall]

Everybody, everybody in school had that background.

[Rory]

Oh, nah, no, you had the generic one that was gray. If you didn't pay for that.

[Mall]

Nah, everybody got that same background. But it's funny because I do remember. It's funny when you see pictures like, it'll take you back to that day. I remember that I remember my mother telling me, don't eat nothing.

[Rory]

Don't drink the whole white ear.

[Mall]

Yeah. Cause I got to school, so I remember just sitting in school, I was scared to say, what's up to the homies. I was scared to give daps. I was just like, yo, I gotta sit here and wait. And then my mother said, after you take your pictures, go crazy.

[Rory]

Do what you want.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And then that was always the thing. As you got older, it was later in the day that you took your photos. And that was always a big thing with parents like, yo, all right, now. Now you're in sixth grade. That means at your. You have to wait till noon.

[Mall]

Exactly. Yeah. You can't eat. You can't do nothing. Like, you got to sit here and just chill. Don't use.

[Rory]

That was your first Ramadan.

[Mall]

Yeah. Don't use your crayons. Don't do nothing. Yeah. My mom gave me the crazy speech, leaving the house.

[Rory]

Look at Baby D. The marriage ain't changed.

[Mall]

It looked like you was doing something you wasn't supposed to be doing. She was rapping where you was at.

[Damaris]

I think this was my first birthday. And I think I bit my cousin Deja. Hi, Deja. I think I bit her on her mouth, like, a little bit after this picture.

[Mall]

Oh, so you were hungry. Okay. That's what tongue out means. Feed.

[Damaris]

Nah, I was just like, wow.

[Rory]

You guys made fun of me for admitting that vulnerable story of me getting kicked out of daycare for biting somebody. Y' all call me a biter for, like, seven episodes straight. Yeah, I told y'.

[Damaris]

All. But I admitted to being a biter. I still bite.

[Rory]

Biters unite.

[Damaris]

That's my bag. I still bite, motherfuckers. You crazy.

[Mall]

Damaris. Shit. That's what she do.

[Rory]

I mean, that's your strongest asset at that age.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Look at Peach.

[Mall]

Look at the bow tie with the suspenders. Is crazy. Look at this suspense.

[Rory]

It does give.

[Mall]

The smallest suspenders ever.

[Rory]

Right? It does give the vibes of, like, every murder doc on Netflix in the Internet.

[Damaris]

Damn.

[Rory]

Yeah. It definitely gives a lot of that.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

When they show where did it go wrong? He was such a loved child. Yeah.

[Mall]

Look at his family. He was such a family kid. Everybody loved him. And then, you know, just high school, he just went. He went left.

[Rory]

And then all of us are watching Netflix going, how do you not look in his eyes?

[Mall]

Yeah, you can see it in his eyes.

[Rory]

How did you not see that? This is going to be a scene. Look at those beady, killer eyes. Is that a clip On. Or is that. Was that tied clip on? Okay. I mean, you were young.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Ryan made it early.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

I almost went in there. Delete. I almost hated it. I was like, I don't know if Ryan is allowed on the IG yet. We love Ryan. It's hilarious.

[Mall]

That was a hilarious picture.

[Damaris]

Yeah. If he would have sent me a whack photo, he wouldn't have made it. But the photo was really cute.

[Rory]

It was. Was adorable. It was also adorable because it was shot in, I don't know, 2015. So, like, it was super high res.

[Mall]

That was last summer. That was last summer.

[Rory]

I do like that trend of this is who you're. And then it's the baby picture, because that's. I've had that in, like, couples therapy before, and I've always thought it was, like, the worst strategy. Like, remember when you're judging your partner or looking at them, just think about the baby and. Nah, this is an adult that's up in front of me.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but it's their energy.

[Rory]

I'm not yelling at that child any. I would not. Never yell at that.

[Mall]

I would never yell at that child.

[Rory]

We're not in 1996. Yeah, it's now. And she's an adult that needs to take accountability.

[Mall]

Yo, what is up with these memes that be going around? Like, do y' all ever just, like, scroll on social media and just, like, just see all these memes and just, like that just tug at your, like, emotional strings?

[Rory]

Yeah, of course.

[Mall]

Oh, my God.

[Damaris]

What memes? Yeah, that is all relationship. Just shut up. Just what memes, Ma. Just what memes? Thank you.

[Mall]

Why is. Why is Damaris algorithm only relationship? What memes?

[Rory]

She's a lover girl, which.

[Mall]

But would she be what you be. What she be watching, though? Like, what should we be liking? Because it's only her algorithms. Because she likes to.

[Damaris]

No, because sometimes people send you stuff,

[Mall]

but why they sending you relationship? Never mind. So I saw this. I saw this, I saw this. It wasn't really a meme as more or less, I guess, like a skit where the. The kid was talking to his mom. His mom was like, oh, my God, look at. This is so funny. He was like, mom, what is that? That doesn't even make any sense. Da, da, da, da. And then he kind of, like, turns and looks, and it's like a baby version of him and his mom when he's showing his mom, like, a drawing that he did in class looked like shit, but the mom was like, oh, my God, this is so beautiful. So I was saying, like, as we get older now, our parents show us that we, like, yo, that's not even funny. Like, what is that? But it's like, yeah, but you gotta still, you know?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Like, hey, they did it for you at one point. Like, they thought you were the funniest, most creative kid in the world.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

And now your parents are getting older, and they showing you things that they think is funny. You have to laugh.

[Damaris]

Did you cry?

[Mall]

Nah, I didn't cry, but I definitely call my mom after that, though. I had to check it on. I was like, yeah, because my mom be sending me. I'd be like, mom, what is this?

[Rory]

Typically, you want to say, hey, I saw this meme two years ago, right?

[Mall]

Like, mom, this is not even.

[Rory]

Because it just got to Facebook.

[Mall]

My favorite thing now is AI. My mom don't know what's real.

[Rory]

Like, you.

[Mall]

My mom don't know.

[Damaris]

AI is so dangerous.

[Mall]

What's real, though? Like, it's like. And now I'm just like, all right, man. Just. All right, cool.

[Damaris]

No, my mom and my stepmom, I go on. I go on fucking their Facebook, and it's just all a. Photos of them. Like, they're on a. They're a biker now. They're a superhero now. They're a cop. It's like, y' all have to start with. Y' all are literally burning down a small city.

[Rory]

Like, but we were fucked before the stuff. Because they would fall for just memes or just images. Even on Sunday, when I was over at my godfather's, somebody screamed, wait, you have to be gay now to win an Oscar. That's a rule. I said, that's fake. What you're reading right now is fake. Like, give me your phone. I'm telling you right now, this is fake.

[Mall]

I don't know. That might be. That might be on par.

[Rory]

No, it was a list of rules that said, this is. And the caption said, this is real.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Of Oscar.

[Mall]

This is real. Once it says that it's real, you know that.

[Rory]

I was like, this is. I promise you this is not in the Oscar booklet. You have to be like, walk them off the ledge. Like, what is going on now? Like, I promise you this is not real.

[Mall]

Oh, my God.

[Damaris]

Peace.

[Mall]

It was real.

[Damaris]

So you're calling MBJ gay? That's what you're saying?

[Mall]

No, we're not doing that. First of all, shout out to Michael B. Jordan.

[Rory]

Congratulations.

[Mall]

Congratulations.

[Rory]

To both of them.

[Mall]

To both of them. Shout out to Smoking Stack. No, but congrats to Michael B. Jordan, on winning best actor at the Oscars this year, well deserved. It was dope to see Michael B. Jordan receive that award and just receive praise from his peers and actors and actresses that he looked up to. I think everybody kind of felt like Sinners was the movie of the year, even though one battle after another. One movie of the year. Yeah, Another great movie. Shout out to Teyana Taylor. She. She got an Oscar. She's in that movie, obviously, so she won an Oscar for that. But shout out to Michael B. Jordan, man, well deserved. And if you didn't see Sinners, I don't know what you're waiting for. It's a good movie, and it's definitely, you know, another one of the movies that Ryan Coogler and Michael B. Jordan to add to their filmography of just. Just great films and great work that they have together.

[Damaris]

And shout out to Ryan Coogler for winning Best Original Screenplay.

[Mall]

Yeah, shout out to Ryan. Yeah, shout out to Ryan Coogler.

[Rory]

Young. Cool.

[Mall]

Yeah, man.

[Rory]

No, I thought it was great. I didn't watch the Oscars, I'll be honest with you. But I did watch the clips of them winning, and I appreciated that. I watched Conan's monologue, and that was a cold crowd. I felt for him. I thought Conan was kind of funny.

[Mall]

I didn't see.

[Rory]

Was a rough crowd. I felt for him.

[Mall]

That's a tough gig, though.

[Damaris]

It was definitely. I know it was stiff.

[Mall]

Yeah. Because I feel like everybody's still kind of a little. I thought we was making a little turn and, like, you know, everybody not being so sensitive.

[Rory]

But Conan didn't even, like, say anything. That was, like, super over the edge. It was just. It was just a stiff room.

[Mall]

Or maybe. Maybe he wasn't funny.

[Rory]

I thought it wasn't bad. I think Conan's a really good writer.

[Mall]

He's Irish.

[Jamie Lynn Sigler]

Ah.

[Damaris]

They didn't laugh at him during fucking St. Patty's weekend. That's crazy as shit, bro.

[Mall]

Damn, y' all did Conan dirty. Don't do Conan like that.

[Rory]

Focused on sinners. February was over. I thought it was ours.

[Mall]

We're all sinners and we're all having sin.

[Rory]

So maybe keep it. Whatever.

[Damaris]

Keep it.

[Rory]

No, it's fine.

[Damaris]

We're all. We're all sinners and we're all heaven sins, actually.

[Mall]

Very funny.

[Rory]

We're all heaven. Even Conan.

[Mall]

Even Conan is heaven sin. I don't know if you know that or not.

[Rory]

On Saturday, I got a very strange text message. This could either bomb. This is completely true. This could either bomb and maul could be mad at me. Or we can keep it. I get a text message on Saturday at 12:30 at night. I just met a man whose name is Hank Strong. He's an actor, and he wanted me to say hi to Mal for him and tell him that Big Dick Buster says hello. I will tell you the rest later. This is a person that's very, very near and dear to my heart that texted this to me. She was at work and ran into this gentleman. I got the rest of the story. Apparently, you were at a club at one point and you met the gentleman and he reminded you of somebody else, and then you continued to call him Big Dick Buster for the rest of the night in a club, which I wanted to call Cap on because you don't give anyone nicknames, let alone Big Dick Buster. But I don't know. You have been known to do Toast at Dave and Buster's with the Kardashians, so I thought maybe that had something to do with it.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

Do you know any recollection of this story?

[Mall]

I don't know. Hank is a. He does security in the city. He does security, personal security for celebrities. But he was in Godfather Harlem.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

He had a role in Godfather Harlem. His name was Big Dick Buster. He was like one of.

[Rory]

Got you. Okay. I'm only on season one of Godfather Harlem.

[Mall]

Yeah. No, he was one of the muscle for Bumpy Johnson and, you know, one of the guys that had, like, stole some money or did something like. They had him in a warehouse, beat him up, and then they had Big Dick Buster come in and, you know, do what Big Dick. But only Big Dick Buster can do.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

You know what I mean? So. But, you know, shout out to. Shout out to Hank.

[Rory]

He's a shout out to Hank. I'm just saying he should add more context to his.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah. I wasn't.

[Rory]

Because this young. I don't know, this young lady. He did not add in Godfather Harlem. He did not add in acting. He said, yo, just to tell them all, Big Dick Buster said, what up?

[Mall]

Yeah, that's. That's great. First of all, and I wasn't walking around calling him Big in real life. I wasn't doing that. But shout out. Shout out to Hank, man. Good, dude.

[Rory]

You know what that was like to get that text at 12:30?

[Mall]

Yeah, that's fucking wild. I'm definitely not.

[Rory]

I didn't know what type of underground scene he was in.

[Mall]

Yeah. No, not calling Hank Big Dick Buster. I'm not walking around calling Hank that.

[Rory]

At the club.

[Mall]

At the club. Just Yellow.

[Rory]

Big Dick Buster.

[Mall]

What's up, my G? What? That's not.

[Rory]

Wait, what season of Godfather Harlem, Cuz I'm almost done with season. I think I'm actually the beginning of

[Mall]

season two, probably season two.

[Rory]

Okay. And they just. They call him Big Dick Buster.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's his thing. Like, that's what he does. He comes in and he just.

[Rory]

Big.

[Mall]

He rapes the. Well, I mean, that's what Bumpy Johnson. I didn't say that. Bumpy said Bumpy gave him that name. Yeah, I didn't give him that name. But, yeah, he comes in and everybody looking like they think he gonna beat you up because he's, you know, big guy, but then, nah, he. He taking your butt. Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

Sometimes I wish I had lived in the 70s. Then other times, I'm kind of glad.

[Mall]

Shoot me. Yeah. No, just.

[Rory]

Just kill me, yo.

[Mall]

Just kill me.

[Rory]

Just light me on fire.

[Mall]

Just shoot me, fam. Just shoot me.

[Rory]

That's. Yeah, I don't need to go out that way. What's. Okay. Yeah. Then I guess that does. But even then, like, I've never been the head of a criminal organization. I understand you have to do some diabolical to get there. I don't know if I'd want to. Like, what if this guy turns on me one day?

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Oh, I could maybe defend myself against a killer that, like, whatever. But this year, like, you got to treat that guy with a different level of class.

[Damaris]

He should be very well.

[Rory]

Your number one shooter doesn't just shoot.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah.

[Damaris]

Take hold.

[Mall]

Butt. Yeah, he won't butt. That's what he wants.

[Rory]

But, like, he could just kill the person who wants to do that instead.

[Mall]

I'm gonna get and take some butt, and then we'll throw him off the roof. You know how that goes.

[Rory]

What salary do you want, sir?

[Damaris]

We are not advocating for rape, by the way.

[Mall]

No, no, no, no. Never that.

[Rory]

I'm just crying.

[Mall]

That was his role in the Godfather. Harlem A gangster series. So it was gangster Happening. So I don't know how gangster that is, but, you know, whatever, man. I'm not telling anybody how to run their criminal organization.

[Rory]

For sure.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Anyways, it was.

[Damaris]

It.

[Rory]

Was it. Was it a good music weekend, or was it just a music weekend? Because we've gotten some good ones back to back. Listen, should we deal with the white elf in the room first, or should we get to James Blake, Alex, like, a lot?

[Mall]

No, no, no, no, no. We're going right to Monica. We're going right to Santa Monica. Let's go.

[Rory]

Right to Santa Monica.

[Mall]

Right to Santa Monica. Jack Harlow dropped his very much anticipated new project because we've been waiting to hear from Jack. And we talked about it last week, and we was like, you know, this is an important project for Jack. Which way is he going to go? What is it going to sound like? This down the third. And all of the ideas that we throw around. I don't think any of us landed on what exactly the project turned out to indeed be.

[Rory]

Yeah,

[Mall]

first thoughts. As soon as I played it, I'm like, okay. Jack is in a whole different bag. Rory. I'm like, I wasn't expecting this. This was completely different for Jack Harlow. Sure, this. This felt like an entirely new artist, somebody that we've never heard before.

[Damaris]

But.

[Mall]

But while it was different and wasn't what I expected, it wasn't terrible. It wasn't terrible. I was. I was a little thrown off. I was a little confused, but it wasn't terrible. It was. It was okay. It just wasn't terrible, but definitely was not what we expected. I don't think it was what we expected at all.

[Rory]

No, I was not. After the Doja Cat single, I was like, all right, let's keep. Let's keep the train moving.

[Mall]

I thought he was going all the way pop. I'm not gonna lie. We said pop. Maybe I think he gives a little sprinkle a little rap in there. Still hip hop.

[Rory]

But I anticipated a mix between Jackman and the kids. Mich you, I thought he was gonna find a good balance there of not. I didn't think he was gonna go post Malone or sell out the way a lot of white rappers have done in the past. I didn't think Jack was gonna do that. I did not expect him. No wonder I have not been able to book Electric Ladylam for the past fucking six months.

[Mall]

Jack had it. He had it booked out.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You know expensive that place is.

[Mall]

You had it booked up.

[Rory]

It has d' Angelo's DNA in it. I don't know where to begin here. I would be a liar if I did not laugh at all the jokes the entire weekend.

[Mall]

Oh, and it was plenty of jokes. Oh, it was plenty of jokes to laugh at.

[Damaris]

They called him IRS1.

[Rory]

IRS1 was definitely one of my favorites. This, which you can put on the screen page. I'll send it to you. Darn. Instead of damn. Was one of my favorites. If you know your history into the Nation of Islam. Yakub Kweli.

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Rory]

Was one of my favorite music. Rothschild was definitely up.

[Damaris]

Child was fucking hilarious. They call that January 6th in park.

[Rory]

Somebody called him Jew Hill.

[Damaris]

De la stole, bro.

[Rory]

They said, they said bland Nubian,

[Damaris]

proud boys to men. They've been tearing his ass up.

[Mall]

Yo, man, Jack, man, it's when they put. It's when white boys put that hat on right there. That hat does it every time.

[Rory]

This one, I also again, the, the. The album covers, the best white on both sides was fucking hilarious.

[Damaris]

They call him Auschwitz Alsina.

[Mall]

Oh my God.

[Damaris]

I had to look up if he was actually Jewish because mad of them were Jewish jokes. I'm like, he's not even Jewish.

[Mall]

Oh my God, man.

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mall]

Jack, I don't know, man. This is. This just wasn't what we was expecting, man. Like, the music is not terrible. It's cool, but it's just like we wasn't. We didn't think.

[Rory]

We ain't need this.

[Mall]

This like, come on.

[Rory]

D' Angelo was funny, but they spelled it the Italian way.

[Damaris]

Yeah, no, I saw d' Anglo Saxon that fried me. Said Leon Thomas Jefferson.

[Rory]

Someone called him 9th wonder bread.

[Mall]

Oh my God.

[Damaris]

NF doom.

[Rory]

Yo, they've been tearing on for hours.

[Damaris]

QAnon tip.

[Mall]

QAnon. Yeah, Jack, they fry you up for this one. I ain't gonna lie.

[Rory]

Listen, man, I'm really not here.

[Mall]

It's not terrible though.

[Rory]

Like, y' all know this jokes, but

[Mall]

it's not a terrible album.

[Rory]

Y' all know this is my. My bag. So I am actually very critical of, of people going into this genre, especially when they've not been in it.

[Mall]

It's.

[Rory]

It's really not that bad. I think what. I think music fans find it a bit distasteful is how Mac Miller coded. He was trying to be in it. And I'm not saying Jack went anywhere with Mac Miller on his mind whatsoever, but we saw Mac transition from being a backpack rapper into a full blown musician. Like, Mac could play every instrument, produce, and you, you saw the artist he got respect from and you watched that entire thing. It wasn't like one day I decided I wanted to do a soulquarian album. Right. Mac, we watched do that in such an authentic way. And I don't even want to make this a race thing, per se, but Mac is the closest thing we've probably seen with modern artists that have transitioned to another genre in a very respectful and authentic way.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And I'm not saying I don't know Jack's intentions. I don't know Jack personally. He could have had every authentic. He could have. I mean, I know he didn't know Brandi two years ago. But maybe he discovered neo soul music and really fell in love with it and wanted to do this. I just don't know who's ever running the program of getting out an album like that. This. Whereas Three Stacks. When Love Below came out, I. I went and bought it. As a kid expecting an Outcast album, I was confused as. But Andre just sat quietly and let us all deal with it. This with throwing on the costume of the. The beanie. You in the park like Brown sugar. It's. It was like too much on the nose. A bit like when Mac was moving into another genre. Mac was himself through the whole thing. He didn't put on a new costume for it.

[Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

It was just like Max just being Mac. This. Even though I'm not saying that's Jack at all. I want to make that very clear. I don't know Jack Harlow. I'm not saying he's doing that. It just got odd that you completely changed your style to the stereotypical neo Soul Shit in 2026, when people making neo soul music don't even dress that way no more.

[Damaris]

No, it gave consciousness.

[Rory]

They dress how they dress. It's almost like you were doing. And I'm not saying you don't like to dress that way. Maybe Jack. I like a beanie too. I used to have the beanie with the. The bro.

[Damaris]

You could just kill him. Like, you ain't gotta, like, keep saying. I'm not saying I don't know Jack. I just kill him. It's okay.

[Rory]

I'm not here to kill him. I'm just saying you checked. Sometimes checking too many boxes is the wrong thing. Sometimes going, you know what? I want to make a Neil so album and record it in Electric lady is like, all right, man, let's pull it back a bit. How about you be your version of this? Because I think Jack's between Jackman and the kids. Miss you. I think Jack could have incorporated a lot of neo soul into his sound already in a way that may have been less. Let's check every neo soul box and put the beanie on. Let's get a black girl with short hair. Let's smile in the park. Let's walk around like we're Maxwell in Brooklyn. Like, it was just too much of the box checking. But with that said, I don't think the music is that bad. The way people were killing the music. I don't think it's as bad as people are making up.

[Mall]

It's not as bad. I actually, it's not.

[Rory]

It I mean, it's just a hard left like he. To me, it was the hard left with the marketing. And then you sit and listen. My white face and. And my past. You can pull up anything. I'm not. Not guilty in this entire thing. But sitting with two white people from New York Times to talk about your black album is a little weird to me.

[Mall]

And who is Monica P. Said, you

[Damaris]

know what it stand for?

[Rory]

Somebody. Somebody told me to sound it out, but don't say it out loud. And I went, oh, my. Or whatever.

[Damaris]

Whatever girl he got with faux locs. That is the out of him. Yeah.

[Mall]

When we find out what Monica look like, this is gonna give us all the. All the answers we need right here. This is gonna tell us everything. Everything we need to know.

[Rory]

But, I mean, we didn't know the muse.

[Mall]

Who's the muse to this. This music?

[Rory]

Well, I think that's why. Because the rollout was so confusing. That's why the disconnect, to me has happened. Because there could have been a rollout of who Monica really was, and we would have probably had an idea. How it appears is that he just chose a black name to call his black album Monica. Now, if there was a story that we missed, I think that could have helped with the rollout and kind of eased people into this. If. If you wanted to make this drast transition into soul music. But there wasn't that.

[Mall]

Yeah, it's just. Just a hard left jack.

[Rory]

And again, I think. I think it's insane to sit down with. I'm not saying sitting down New York Times is wrong, but sitting down with two white people that probably have never heard Mama's Gun in their entire life to discuss your neo soul album is a strange way he did get fucked over. I mean, the clip is insane. I got blacker. I know what he was trying to say as far as white artists usually go to white shit. And he's saying his music went more to the black region of music.

[Mall]

What does that mean?

[Rory]

I don't know. Because I think all music is black.

[Mall]

Right. So that's why. What do you mean got blacker? Did he say got blacker?

[Rory]

Yeah, he said he got blacker, but he was what I think he was trying.

[Mall]

Jack Harlow said he got blacker, but

[Rory]

he did not see the clip that went viral.

[Damaris]

Why we're even in reference to his music. His music got blacker Instead of going white like how his other white got

[Mall]

put out a fucking hip hop album. It'll get more black than hip hop.

[Damaris]

Do it.

[Rory]

Well, they were Talking about how this

[Damaris]

point, neo solo is more black than

[Rory]

hip hop, How a lot of artists will start with hip hop, and then they'll venture up. Kid Rock did hip hop. Then he went White Iverson.

[Mall]

I mean, white Iverson. And congratulations is kind of the same.

[Rory]

Okay, well, a lot of people would say post Malone got hot because of hip hop, and then immediately said hip hop has no substance in a quote, and then started making country and pop music, that he used hip hop to catapult his career and move on. And the New York Times and Jack were trying to explain that at this moment, where he was a huge white artist, he decided to go more towards what people would consider black music, which would be neo soul. Even though all music is black music.

[Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

He just chose to say the word, I got blacker, and that got clipped. Now, that's insane.

[Mall]

Yeah, Jack, That's Jack. That's crazy.

[Rory]

But what I think he was trying to say is I, instead of doing what all my other white counterparts do in this situation, I decided not to go for the. The fame, pop shit and went more towards music that I prefer, which neo soul is obviously black, but then again, so is rock and roll, pop music, every bit of music, period. All music is black. So. But that's a separate conversation. But that's me speculating. Let's just deal with what he said. Yeah, he said, I got blacker.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's just not it.

[Rory]

And you're wearing the beanie. And it just. I don't know.

[Damaris]

I feel like that fucking beanie is pissing me off. Like, I'm not gonna lie. Like, if you want to put out the music you want to put out, that's fine, especially if it's good, like, whatever. But the cosplaying. The cosplaying of, like, my uncle, I don't like that shit. That shit is so unnecessary. And it makes it seem like you're taking it as a joke and you're not really respecting the music.

[Mall]

You remember like in the sitcoms in the 90s, when the white kid showed up to high school, he was cool, like in the Steve Harvey show and all of that. And all the girls liked him. And then it was like a talent show. You feeling like, oh, he can rap. That's what Jack hall reminded me of a little bit. He can play basketball. The white men can't jump. Right? He can play basketball. And he gave us. You know, he rapped. I mean, and then now he's giving us neo soul.

[Rory]

I mean, I. It's a. It's an interesting move.

[Mall]

Was it a good.

[Rory]

I'm trying to be. I shouldn't be the one. I feel like y' all should be speaking, not me.

[Mall]

No, I'm just saying what you do.

[Rory]

The New York Times and Jack already cleaned up my side, so now I'm just speaking.

[Mall]

I think it was a smart move though. I think. Do you? I think this, this hurt Jack. This definitely hurt him in my, in my, in my humble opinion. I'm not an artist. I don't make music, so I'm not gonna, you know, speak too, too much to that. But this hard left, I think hurt Jack's trajectory more than it helped. For sure.

[Damaris]

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[Rory]

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[Damaris]

I have to think that maybe, maybe him and whoever is on his team know something I don't. This is such an obviously bad move for his career that I would think, okay, if they did this, they must have reasoning for it, because it's like to ask, was this, like, not good for him? I think that's pretty obvious. We were just talking on the last episode about how you don't have a particular sound that we can go to. What is it? Who are you as an artist? And then you switch again. So it's like, are you just gonna hop around genres for the rest of your life now?

[Mall]

Right, so. Because now with the he can't go back, like, full rap on the next project.

[Rory]

Why not?

[Mall]

Hell no.

[Damaris]

He can do whatever he wants. But how it'll come across.

[Mall]

You're right, he can. Jack Harlow can do whatever the he want to do. I'm saying if he goes full rap, hip hop, next album, that's going to make this album look even crazier because it's going to be like, what the was that about? Like what?

[Rory]

I mean, even. Even.

[Mall]

What was that moment?

[Rory]

I mean, even with. I don't know. I. I want to make this very clear. I'm not comparing Jack Harlow Monica to Kanye West, 808s and heartbreaks. But Kanye went back to rapping. Like, you can do. You can do something.

[Mall]

It's different, though.

[Rory]

After fucking the love below, he went and rapped over the.

[Mall]

It's different. He was already established as a man.

[Damaris]

I was just gonna say that.

[Mall]

Like, he was already established as a mega artist, mega producer. Yeah, it's a different.

[Rory]

That's why I'm saying. I'm not comparing them. But in the same breath, I will say, which we talked about on the last episode when we were trying to figure out what this album was gonna sound like. Jack Harlow is A. He sells out the Barclays Center. He does have a. A TikTok fan base. And I think he looked out at the crowd and probably was like, I hate the fans. Steve Lacy treatment. I hate the people that I'm performing to. Remember, we had that full conversation. Let's not act like Jack is also not. I'm not a megastar, of course, but anyone that sells out in arena, I think you can put in a pretty high category, you know.

[Mall]

No, for sure.

[Damaris]

But.

[Rory]

But you can't experiment. We're not talking about somebody that. That is only doing 2,000 seats. Which, by the way, 2,000 seats is great. But he's doing arenas.

[Damaris]

Okay, so let's.

[Rory]

He's not going to do arenas with Monica.

[Damaris]

Let's. But. And that's. So that's what I was about to say. Right. So with. Let's address the. He's doing arenas because the way that music moves so fast these days. Like, for example, if Janet Jackson came back right now or decided to drop something, she can do an arena for the rest of her life. She will be able to do an arena. If you have one hot project that will and it was hot because of a couple singles and you were able to do an arena that year. Like, before this album, I don't know if Jack would have been able to do an arena. Like, I don't know if he would have been able to do an arena after Jackman. I don't know if he would be able to do an arena after now. So then you can't say he does arenas because that means you have a dedicated fan base who will support you no matter what. That's what makes you an established artist. I don't think that he has that. I don't think that he can release this album and go and do an arena and his dedicated fan base will show up. That's what will make him established. I don't think he's there yet.

[Rory]

Okay, I. I see your point. Again. I think Jackman was more of a mixtape and it came out pretty quick afterwards and was clearly just a quick. Like, I'm putting something out for my core fan base. If he would have stayed more in the lane of the kids. Miss you. I think Jack would have still been able to do arenas. Now, I would assume that he's gonna, I hope, purposely choose small venues to perform this. And then also, I don't know again, how much of this music he created that's also tough to perform when you didn't make this type of music. Like, that's That's a lot of the allure of. Let me not say allure, but a lot of the authenticity with Neo Soul is a lot of those artists are producing that music. So those live shows hit a bit differently. When you're controlling the entire band, you're participating in every instrument. It's just a little different. I don't know how this looks. And most of those artists had been doing venues for so long, they know how to control those crowds. They know how to put a show on. I'm not saying Jack doesn't, but doing first class in Barclays is a little different than controlling four shows in one night in Blue Note, where you have to play every instrument.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So I just don't know if it's going to come across. I don't know if he knows how to perform this yet. And. And he's a professional. I'm sure he's probably. Yeah. Rehearsing as. As much as he can. I. I just don't know how this is gonna pivot.

[Damaris]

And who even goes if he.

[Rory]

If he. If he does.

[Damaris]

He doesn't give a fuck if he does. Sobs. Who goes and sees some sobs. Who is the consumer?

[Rory]

That's a great question.

[Mall]

Every white woman that just left American Apparel and went to get a latte

[Damaris]

a matcha.

[Rory]

Here's the.

[Mall]

What.

[Rory]

What mall is saying is

[Mall]

this was a bad idea? That's what I'm saying. This was a bad idea, this album.

[Rory]

All right.

[Mall]

But here's too soon to experiment like this, Jack. Way too soon.

[Rory]

You're kind of not wrong, though, because that crowd that followed him on TikTok probably has never heard Neo soul in their lives. And if you soon. If you consider this Diet Neo soul, some of those people may think that they just. Jack just tapped into a genre that no one's ever heard before.

[Mall]

Right. Right.

[Rory]

Some people really might be like, yo, what this is. This type of music is crazy.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Even if it is dieting your soul. And again, they have the women you're talking about go to Blue Note once, one time, watch Jack and look at Jack like he's three stacks and love below. Like, I've never even heard anything like this.

[Mall]

Yeah. But this is not. This is Jack. This was just too soon to experiment like this.

[Rory]

For Jack, though, do you give him any. Any respect for at this moment pivoting to something you think he. In his words? I don't know.

[Mall]

I mean, as an artist, I respect it.

[Rory]

It's a risk.

[Mall]

Yeah. No, I respect when artists take risks. You know, you gotta Believe in yourself. You gotta have the utmost belief in yourself first before the fans will believe in you. So I respect Jack for that. I mean, I just think that, you know, this was just such a hard pivot where it's like, from his sound, it's like. I just think it was too soon to do that. I think you needed to give us one more, maybe two more bonafide rap hip hop albums. You could sprinkle in some R B, even some neo soul vibes in that.

[Rory]

Within that album, Mac Miller, the Divan Feminine, which to me is more a modern classic of that type of genre, where it's like, Mac is rapping on that. You still got a hit with Anderson Paak, but then you have neo soul joints on there. Shit, even the record with Ariana Grande is a fucking neo soul record.

[Mall]

Yeah, I just think this was too hard left. It was like, you know. And again, I respect artists taking risks. That's, you know, that speaks to an artist just believing in themselves. So I respect Jack there, but. But, you know, just somebody just listening. And I pressed Play on it on a Jack Harlow album. I was not expecting this to be the album at all.

[Damaris]

So if you didn't know it was Jack Harlow and somebody just threw it on, would you like it? And ask like, yo, who's that?

[Mall]

I'd be like, yo, Remy Shan is back. Remember my guy Remy Shan.

[Rory]

Stop.

[Mall]

Yo, Remy shan is back. 2020. Remy sh.

[Rory]

I absolutely hate you, yo.

[Mall]

Oh, no.

[Rory]

And yo, the amount of people that were saying, Jack Harlow's next album, it's gonna be dance hall, was the funniest. Yo, Damaris, I would ask, who is this? Yes. Because I don't think it's bad music. I like Prague. All of my friends hook is crazy. I like, say hello. I like the project.

[Mall]

Music is not bad.

[Rory]

But. But here's my thing. If you're gonna go for the risk,

[Damaris]

risk,

[Rory]

don't Glenn Lewis. The entire project is safe. Like, that's what's weird about it. It's a risk because you pivoted to neo soul with a beanie on and said you got blacker and then met Monica. Like, all of that is a crazy, crazy risk. But again, not comparing jack to Andre 3000. But when Andre 3000 took that pivot, he went all the way. You got weird shit, like, Happy Valentine's Day. Yeah, you got. Got records that were digestible, like, hey, Prototype. Like, you got things that the world could accept, but then you got love and war. You got Happy Valentine's Day. You got all These, like, really pushing the genre forward instead of just copy and pasting the voice. This is the safest meal soul album I've ever heard in my life. That's. That's really my issue. It's not bad music, but if you're going to take the risk, push the genre forward. Don't just. Every record. Every record is the safest neo soul record I've ever heard. Which doesn't mean it's bad, but it's safe. There's nothing on there that I was like, okay, I see you're trying to push. You appreciate neo soul so much that you're trying to push it forward. This is a very, very safe nine records of what someone would think neo Soul was in 2026. And I want to make it clear I don't think that's bad. It's good music.

[Mall]

It's not bad.

[Rory]

It's good. All of my friends has incredible writing. Again, say hello. I'll probably listen to say hello. That'll stay in the way.

[Mall]

I like Prague.

[Rory]

Prague is fire. I move along school. Every song is cool, but it's safe.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So to me, when you're saying this is a risk. Yeah, it's a risk, but it's the safest risk I've ever seen. Like, if you're gonna do it, do it right.

[Mall]

Well, I mean, get.

[Rory]

Get in there. Like, I love that Robert Glasper was on it, but at that point, let's. Let's tap in a little bit more. Let's. Let's really try to push this.

[Mall]

No, let's not.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

If you. Let's just not go that deep, that hard left. Sprinkle the album with a cup. Prague on the album. But then go get back into rapping. Not mad. Like, okay, like, you slowly introducing your audience to a different side of your different sound.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

This is just straight up, like, who is this? This is a whole different person.

[Damaris]

We know why there was no single. That would have been awkward.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah, it would have been super awkward. Yeah, I get it. But, yeah, there's kind of no win for losing in that capacity. You put a single out, it's like, wait, what the is going on? Then you get a full. Yeah, you kind of just had to put this out. But I mean, at the same time, though, the Will Smith segment that we cut, which I went back and saw that freestyle, and I think we owe them all, like, a huge apology. We should have kept that apologize.

[Damaris]

Wasn't clout chasing.

[Mall]

Well, yes, he was.

[Rory]

That's what we said he was he

[Mall]

was rapping over pancakes.

[Rory]

I'm not saying, first of all, that Will Smith freestyle is awful. I'm not saying Jack Carlos album is awful. Our point in the Will Smith segment was if this is what you want to do as an artist and you feel whole and this is what you want to do, more power to you, bro.

[Mall]

I mean, but that's what anybody.

[Rory]

If Jack feels better instead of. He may have felt nasty after that doja cat like, all right, am I really becoming a caricature of the same first class record? Let me put a beanie on and go be a caricature somewhere else. But he may have felt whole with that. Maybe he feels like I wanted to.

[Mall]

Jack, that could feel whole. Cool, great. He could experiment, great. Do all of those things. Right? But we go sit here and laugh and joke about it like, that ain't it 100%. That's just not it, Jack. Like, we fuck with you. But come on, dawg. This album is not what we expected. Respect the risk as an artist. Cool. Do that. But I just think that it was too, too far left. And you gotta ease. Ease the audience in the ears into this new Jack Harlow Monica vibe. This was just like a complete, you know, reset and it's like a whole different personnel.

[Rory]

Yeah, I'm still gonna laugh at Curtis Mayflower.

[Mall]

Yeah. Come on, man. QAnon tip. Yeah, I'm laughing at all of that. Jew Hill.

[Damaris]

Yeah, Jew Hill is insane. Badu. They. They call America Badu.

[Mall]

America Badu.

[Damaris]

Judaism album.

[Rory]

America Baduism. And just calling it Judaism is hilarious.

[Mall]

Oh, God.

[Rory]

But someone did. Before we get. Get off this and get some other music. Someone did Post Hip Hop by the numbers posted artists that have done like the shift, starting with Jack Harlow, Neo soul, R B, Post Malone, Drake with House Nor and B Andre. They put ambient new age jazz. I'm not, bro.

[Mall]

He was. How many albums in before Drake did that? Honestly, nevermind.

[Rory]

That wasn't really that far out of his. Kanye, obviously, with 808s little yachty when he bit all of Child Sound. Childish Gambino, Cudi did some old rock. Wayne did a rock album. I don't like that they put Lauryn Hill unplugged under folk soul. But I guess I get it. Snoop has done every genre you can think of.

[Mall]

Every artist you name him was so established and so big pause when they decided to do that. Like, that's the difference. You have to establish an identity, a sound that people know you for when they hear it. Oh, that's Jack Harlow. Like we Were sitting here saying, like, yo, what is again? What is it gonna sound like? What is this project is? Da da, da. We were still looking for that. We were still trying to figure out the Jack Harlow sound. So then they give us a completely different sound than we've ever heard from Jack. You confused even more now. Now we really don't know what to expect. What's the next album?

[Rory]

I just told you, dan?

[Mall]

Is it 103,000? Like, just instruments? Is he gonna let us know that he can actually play now? Like. Like, what is it? What is the next. He cannot go back. Full rap, hip hop next album.

[Rory]

He can't. Yeah. Cuz even, like, with Childish Gambino, if you have. Because of the Internet. Going to Awaken My Love. That was very much a funk album. It wasn't that crazy because the Internet had elements of that. Like it was. Everyone does kind of ease their way.

[Mall]

You have to. Yeah, you have to. You can't. Like, you have to. It's a way to do it. I'm not mad. It's a way to do it. It's just a way to do it. And I think this was. He miscalculated his stuff.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Cause even, like, three stacks, too. Like, yeah. Love Below threw me off a bit, but it was like three stacks gave

[Mall]

us a lot of rapping before he gave us the flute album.

[Rory]

No, but. No, I'm saying he also.

[Mall]

He gave us a lot of balls.

[Rory]

I'm saying he gave us a lot of rapping, but also a lot of. Of singing before he did Love Below. Like, there was elements, like the Ms. Jackson hook could have been on Love Below, and it wouldn't. You wouldn't have exact blinked an eye at it.

[Mall]

Exactly. So it's a way to do it.

[Rory]

All right. Three sacks in a wig. I don't think it's that weird.

[Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

This on par.

[Mall]

We get it. We understand this has always been a part of his thing, but yeah, I

[Rory]

mean, I don't know if this. This is Jack's thing this year.

[Mall]

Well, looking forward to the next project.

[Rory]

Jack, do we want to stay on the Whites?

[Mall]

Yes, sir.

[Rory]

There's a big, big weekend for the Whites. I don't know if you guys are big James Blake fans the way I am.

[Mall]

I like James Blake.

[Rory]

James has disappointed me in the last few projects. As a big James Blake fan. I hated the Yachty project. His album before that kind of felt all over the place. I think we got the James that I love back. Trying times, trying times. I'm two listens in and this is the James I like. Full, Full, full on producer James and more of the R B esque stuff. I like his electronic stuff. I like the alternative stuff. But sometimes James just needs to give us some harmonies and bring us all back. Sometimes experimenting is not good for your fan base. Sometimes you shouldn't do an album with Lil Yachty.

[Mall]

Yeah. Don't confuse the listeners. Don't confuse your fan base. I get it.

[Damaris]

But see, some people experiment and that pops off. Like, you never know what.

[Rory]

James was experimenting and it's popped off. I'm saying he left us for like two years where I was like, he was busy.

[Mall]

He had to go do some other shit.

[Rory]

I. I don't know what fan base he was serving. And I could be wrong. I like more James.

[Mall]

R B same.

[Rory]

He went in a different bag for the last couple years. That. That had confused me a lot. Lot. This is a really good album.

[Mall]

I got to check it out. I didn't hear this one yet.

[Rory]

Yeah, no. The. The whites. The Whites try to give. Give y' all some soul this. This weekend. Take it.

[Mall]

But hopefully James gave us a little

[Rory]

more soul than what's about James Blake.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's.

[Rory]

That's authenticity.

[Mall]

You're right. I can.

[Rory]

I know that's who he is.

[Mall]

Yeah, I know what to expect from James.

[Rory]

Like Alex Isley put out a record. West side. That's. That's fire.

[Mall]

Shout out to Alex.

[Rory]

One of the.

[Damaris]

The finest. My bad. The most talented.

[Mall]

You all right?

[Damaris]

Yeah, I'm cool.

[Rory]

Alex is very pretty, but she's also very talented.

[Mall]

Very talented.

[Rory]

We don't have to just look at her looks all the time.

[Mall]

Amazing voice.

[Rory]

Yeah, she. I mean, she's. I kind of want her. And I know she doesn't want to do this. I kind of want her to sit with the pop producers. Just give me one year to sell out for a second and see what you could do. Because I think we get so full sellout music.

[Mall]

Soulful sellout music.

[Rory]

Let me not. All right. Sellout is the wrong verb of that. Of crossover shit of. You would have made this anyway, but you're in there. Maybe we do one session with Benny Blanco, even though it's not really my guy, but just to see what you could do with your talent, with what the Machine producers could do. Because I think Alex could make the way. We love Beyonce as far as pop music, soul, authenticity. Even though it's pop music, you know what time it is with her. I don't think Alex is far from that. Even though she stays in her lane as far as this type of music. Just one go. Give it three months, See what you come up with.

[Mall]

I love Alex Osley.

[Rory]

Like, I think. I really think Alex Isley could be with her talent level, one of the biggest artists in the R and B

[Mall]

pop world for sure.

[Rory]

Like, it wouldn't be music you would not expect from her, but she has that. Her talent is just different. Her. Her tone is different. She. She would sing circles around these girls, but knows how to pull it back where it's digestible, where you're not just crooning the entire time on some traditional R B. I'd like to see Alex do that, even though I know she's not going to do that. But, you know, I didn't listen to the yg, so forgive me there.

[Damaris]

You hate the West Coast.

[Rory]

No, I'm. Come on. I'm having some scent.

[Mall]

You just had to.

[Rory]

Huh?

[Mall]

You just had to go there, right? Sorry.

[Rory]

Yo, even Jack Harlo was heaven sent.

[Mall]

Jack Harlo is Monica's heaven sent Monica for sure.

[Damaris]

Heaven sent.

[Mall]

Sa put out another record he did

[Rory]

bouncing and it's great.

[Mall]

Wait, what the is Saha doing, man?

[Rory]

A roll out.

[Mall]

I love it. I love it.

[Rory]

A rollout.

[Mall]

Anytime we get side high rapping and putting music out, I love it. I just didn't hear this record yet, though. Dope.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's great. It's a good roll out. I think all these records aren't going to make the album. I think this is just a lot of Lucy stuff that he's just getting the attention back to his solo career. So I can't wait. Even though he said soon on his album.

[Mall]

Yeah, I'm not falling for that.

[Rory]

But. But he's been consistent. Every Friday we get.

[Mall]

Listen. That's what I'm saying.

[Rory]

No bouncing his spot too production. He's. He's been great on that end. Can we pull up the Russell Clear before we get out of music? Just because I just think, and sometimes in these trying times, it's a lot going on, especially with global politics. And this is where, you know, artists like Pac, Chuck D, Michael Stevie, everyone has spoke. Marvin Gaye was going on. There's been artists that have stepped in to really put things in perspective for us. And I think that's really what artistry is missing. So I agree with LaRussell in his statement in starting this where his engineer said, said, yo, don't drop this saying, nah, man, this is the point of artists. This is what's been missing in artistry. We got to Take a stance. We have to calm the world down and explain things. And I was ready. And then he started the record.

[Mall]

I made this record and I sent it off to my engineer, Facts.

[Daniel Cormier]

And he calls me.

[Mall]

He said, man, you probably shouldn't put this out. I said, what? What the hell happened? He said, you know, you. You talking about Epstein. It's a lot of going on. And I said, thank you for calling me. I'm finna drop this.

[Rory]

That's what they said about Tupac changes before he put it up. That's exactly why we need it, cuz.

[Mall]

Everybody sit and be silent. And the goal of an artist is

[Daniel Cormier]

to express the times and discuss, say

[Mall]

all the things that nobody else want to say or know how to say. I'm not perfect.

[Rory]

I don't know how to say this.

[Mall]

And neither is the President was guiltier

[Daniel Cormier]

than a high in evidence. You can't be mad that they heated

[Mall]

if you don't let them vent.

[Daniel Cormier]

Even the devil was heaven sent. Even Malcolm was heaven sent. Even Martin was heaven sent. Even Kanye was heaven sent. We all heaven sent.

[Mall]

Donald 2. We all heaven sent. Epstein too. We all haven't sent Adolph too. We all haven't.

[Rory]

I wonder if I am

[Mall]

even you.

[Damaris]

Damn. Even me. They said that. They said I was heaven sent.

[Mall]

Who said that? To Myron?

[Damaris]

Don't worry about it. You don't know.

[Rory]

You know what pissed me off the most about this wasn't Epstein or Adolf or any of that. It was that he. He brought me into it.

[Damaris]

Even you.

[Rory]

Even. I was questioning myself.

[Mall]

Yo, even you love the Russell, man.

[Rory]

So do I. But that doesn't mean he can't get jokes too.

[Mall]

No, he got. Listen, everybody. And nobody is not outside.

[Rory]

We support and love the Russell. Yeah, this was nuts. Your engineer was. Was correct.

[Mall]

That was dirt.

[Rory]

I'm just saying.

[Mall]

Wait, but that wasn't the whole song though, was it?

[Damaris]

Do it matter? It was a big chunk of it.

[Mall]

Nah. He might have gave us some bar. Don't do that. It might be some bars in there.

[Rory]

But that was also like, all right. Yeah, it sounds nuts. And he's definitely not using Heaven Sent the correct way. But the speech. I was with him all the way. Like, nah, if. If your team is scared or your engineer is scared, maybe you actually have something like that.

[Mall]

I'm not mad at that.

[Rory]

This is a point where artists need to say something. And then he went on to say absolutely nothing.

[Mall]

But that's what I'm saying. Is that the whole song, though?

[Damaris]

No, it's not the whole song.

[Mall]

But, like, we gotta hit a whole record.

[Damaris]

Nah, I'm cool, actually.

[Mall]

But what if he getting off, though? Like, what if he. The record is like. Like he really saying some, though. You gonna come back in, walk around like. Nah, just say it got kind of.

[Damaris]

He not really saying he was when he was first. It ain't like he was just talking.

[Mall]

That sound like the hook.

[Damaris]

There was some verse in there.

[Rory]

You think he's gonna explain Iranian gas prices and throwing bombs on.

[Mall]

I don't know. I don't know which one. I'm just saying, I feel like we've heard of Russell's songs. We've heard of some of his music. You know, I mean, he's.

[Rory]

He does a great job, despite what y'.

[Damaris]

All.

[Mall]

I understand.

[Rory]

Joke. He has depth a lot in his music.

[Mall]

Yeah. That's what I'm saying. This is. You know what I'm saying? Epstein, too, even. I get it, everybody.

[Rory]

What you get about it?

[Mall]

That is kind of crazy to say. Epstein was. Ever since I think that nigga is the devil. But the devil was an angel once, right? He fell down from heaven. Right? That's how the story goes, what I'm saying. Yeah. So in order to believe in God, you got to believe in the devil.

[Rory]

Okay. And again, this isn't a religious podcast, but anyone that is Christian, respect and believe. If you believe that, everyone is seven cent, that's cool. Oh, why did I need that information? What was groundbreaking about telling me that Epstein was created by God?

[Mall]

That's why we need to get the rest of the song.

[Rory]

What's what?

[Mall]

Like, he might tie it all in.

[Rory]

All right, so after everything, we should stop. Be like, you know what? Think about it, though. Like, he was also heaven sent.

[Mall]

I'm just saying we gotta hear the rest.

[Rory]

Like, you know what? Maybe. Maybe you should babysit.

[Mall]

It's not. No, no, no. It's not fair. If we don't hear the entire record, we have to hear the entire record. That's what I'm saying. Get the jokes off. Let's get the jokes off. But let's also hear the rest of the record.

[Rory]

Okay. Strange Rollout.

[Mall]

I mean, he's. He had the pergola.

[Rory]

This is the weekend of Strange Rollout.

[Mall]

He's at the pergola. You know what I mean? He probably wanted to preview his new song. You know what I mean? But, I mean, it's a little weird. It's like, whoa, okay, but let him land it. We gotta give him an opportunity to land the record.

[Rory]

Well, Chuck English, who's a Amazing producer shout out to Chuck, said, don't lose me, dog. He retweeted it, and then Russell replied, explaining what he was trying to say in the song. He said, what do y' all think I'm saying in the song? Is it the truth that's bothersome or is it what you think I'm saying? I'm saying every human was made by God, even the evil ones. Even going to hell alongside some of y' all uncles, daddies, and favorite rappers. All right, so I still stand with.

[Mall]

Okay, he made a point.

[Rory]

No, he didn't.

[Damaris]

How if I make a song that say, what's the point?

[Rory]

The sky is blue.

[Damaris]

The sky is blue. You know what I'm saying? The sky is blue. Even you can see that the sky is blue. What the fuck is the point of that song?

[Mall]

I'm saying we gotta hear the rest of the song. I'm saying what he said in response to what Chuck English said. He's right, though. Every human was made by God, even the evil ones. That's a fact. Even the niggas going to hell alongside some of y' all uncles, daddies, and favorite rappers. What is false about what he said?

[Damaris]

It's not about it being false.

[Mall]

That's all I'm saying. I'm saying what he said to.

[Rory]

Chuck was arrested on the seventh day. Okay?

[Damaris]

Like, it's like, that's the thing. Okay, but there's mad facts. But if I sit up there and

[Mall]

say, so what is he saying wrong? That's what I'm saying. What is he saying?

[Damaris]

Not about being okay. So I don't. You're. You're not grasping this. Yeah, it doesn't matter. That what he. It's not about what he's saying not being wrong. It's about what's the point? There's no point in me making a song that says, mall shirt is green.

[Mall]

But we didn't hear the song. That's what I'm saying. We gotta hear the rest of the song.

[Rory]

Two days at this point, released the verses.

[Mall]

And my thing was that could be the song. That could be the song.

[Rory]

It up like you're making a Revolt record. The way Fight the Power was like, he's explaining why artists are so important. And then you just give me a bunch of. That's like, okay, why did I need to know that Epstein is okay now? What? Why? Why is my perspective different now? Here is the world looking like, no,

[Mall]

if that is the song, then it's like, all right, what the fuck was that? If that is the Song that's the full record that he just. We just heard. Then it's like, what the is. What is LaRussell talking about? But if there's more to it and he makes it, he ties it on and makes it make sense, then we gonna be sitting here having to talk about the record again.

[Rory]

Like, okay, I didn't even see Chuck English's reply until literally just now. And he's saying what demaris and I are saying. So water is wet. What's the reason or the point that you tried to make?

[Mall]

Yeah, he said, you've been to heaven.

[Damaris]

I'm just saying now, Joe spit it kind of kill. He said it wasn't even good enough for you to come out with the song. Like, if you're going to try to be an introspective artist, you got to pick up a book and read and expand your vocabulary. You can't make elementary music and then try to rap like Nas and.

[Rory]

And I'm not saying that about the Russell as a whole. So I guess my thing is, even when Kanye has went off the deep end on shit that I didn't agree with what he was doing, he at least gave some context and some explanation. Like, I don't agree with what you're saying, but it's coming somewhat from a place that you have some points to make, even if we disagree with them. Like, I didn't agree with everything Kanye did at the TMZ office, and Van put him in his place this and that. But at least Kanye was trying to make some points from another perspective that I didn't agree with.

[Damaris]

With.

[Rory]

But there was some substance to his points. Even though he got them from Candace and Tucker, he was just regurgitating what they were saying. There still was something behind what he was saying. Just telling me that Epstein was made by God. Okay, what do I. What should I do with that now?

[Damaris]

Yeah, so I guess we'll see. Ma has the point. Maybe he cleans it up in the rest of the song.

[Rory]

If he ever gets. If that's the talent and has a great perspective to make us record.

[Mall]

Listen, if that's the full song. Song, I'm with you. What the is the Russell talking about? If that's the full song? I'm saying if it's not, then we gotta hit a full record. And then like, okay, maybe he may tie it all in to make it make sense. Okay.

[Rory]

Cause I thought he was about to rap. He's just sitting there.

[Mall]

That's what I'm saying. Whis we need to. Is that the record. If not, let us hear the full record.

[Rory]

But can we joke about it?

[Mall]

Oh, for sure. Absolutely.

[Rory]

Do we think. I'm not going into any of the conspiracy stuff. I just do think it. It. It's crazy how the timeline has turned on the Russell post Roc Nation signing.

[Damaris]

Well, the timeline wasn't really worried about the Russell pre Roc Nation signing.

[Rory]

No, I mean, not the non music fan. The. The gossipy timeline now cares more.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

It's just interesting the choices that have been made post that.

[Mall]

Like the Russell choices as far as music.

[Rory]

Because I followed everything that he's done. I've watched full streams, full YouTube videos of his backyard. Like, I've never heard him get into Wayne or say Epstein was like, it's just bad timing. I'm not on the side that I think Roc Nation is telling him to make these moves. I'm not that psychotic. I think y' all give Roc Nation way too much credit. It. I don't even really think Roc Nation like talks to Russell as much as you guys think he does. It's just now with the lights on with the timeline that's only dedicated to killing people and ruining their careers, especially if they have some connection to Roc Nation. You've made some choices, dog.

[Mall]

What do you mean?

[Rory]

Because you've made nothing but positive choices for the last seven years. I've been watching you and now all

[Damaris]

you're doing is arguing or creating.

[Rory]

Now you're just arguing with fucking everybody.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Just be the positive human being that you are, man. Stop walking uphill.

[Mall]

That wasn't him trying to be the positive human being.

[Damaris]

No, it's a way to be positive. It's a way to be positive and a way to just like, nah, don't do it that way.

[Mall]

Y' all are crazy. That wasn't him being positive. I'm just asking, was that not him being positive?

[Rory]

Pastor positive, where they're embezzling money through the church and just say everyone's fine.

[Mall]

I don't understand the correlation.

[Rory]

I don't think you're positive because you say Epstein is heaven sent. I think you can draw the line and be a positive person and say. And not say that.

[Damaris]

Especially when, you know.

[Rory]

I think it's when pastors get. And I'm not saying that about LaRussell, but I think when pastors get on their positivity, it starts saying everyone is God sent and God has every reason for everything. Sometimes you just. You using that as a cop out.

[Mall]

The cop out to what?

[Rory]

To be trying to be positive. Like, nah, some People are just burning.

[Mall]

Hell, no. But that's what he said.

[Rory]

Like, I don't even want to put the word heaven near none of y' all.

[Mall]

True. But what I'm saying is you saying he's not being positive, Right. Even if, even though it's somebody you feel like he shouldn't be trying to

[Rory]

be positive about, he should say that opera and ballet are the greatest genres of all time. It's the only way to be positive at this point.

[Damaris]

Well, I get what you're saying, but I think that he's just saying that you can be positive. But when you know that, you know when he knew, when he came out and said that, he knew what the reaction would be, and then to feed into the reaction with more negativity. When people are sending negativity your way, it sounds like you're rage baiting us for attention. That's what one could take it as. So sometimes people are. Are saying.

[Mall]

What was the rage bait saying, Epstein?

[Damaris]

The rage bait is talking about like saying that Adolf Hitler, Epstein, all of these people are sent by God. That's. Yes. That. That would rage bait people. Because you know that people are gonna. The people are gonna, you know, push back on that. And then when people push back, rightfully so you're. Than arguing with them. You're not leading with love in that, like, you age baited us.

[Rory]

And I think those types of, whether they be outrage or clickbait or something like that, should pose questions for conversation, which I think Kanye has done. Even when he's been wrong, conversation actually happens. What is the conversation we're having here?

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Nothing. A bunch of nothing. But I did have a blast texting all my friends at ROC Nation this morning. Good morning. Happy Monday. Your heaven sent.

[Damaris]

He's so silly.

[Mall]

See, that was fake positivity. You just like the pastor.

[Damaris]

Well, you think you're a positive person?

[Mall]

Me? Yeah. You think I'm a positive person?

[Damaris]

I see positivity in you.

[Mall]

You think I'm negative. You think I've ever been negative?

[Damaris]

Ah, you have a negative side sometimes, but I don't think you're a negative.

[Mall]

I mean, we all have negative sides, but, like, that's okay. So that's what I'm asking.

[Damaris]

I don't think you're a negative person.

[Mall]

I was about to say, you can't think I'm a negative person.

[Damaris]

I think you're optimistic. I think you're very optimistic.

[Mall]

I mean, I think you have to be in this world.

[Damaris]

No, I think sometimes people can use pessimism as A, you know, as a defense mechanism shield. Yeah.

[Mall]

Oh, you don't think I'm one of those people?

[Damaris]

No, you're not pessimistic at all. You guys are like the ying and the yang. Like optimism, self deprecating pessimism.

[Rory]

I have positive pessimism, though.

[Damaris]

What is negative about what the is positive pessimism?

[Rory]

I, I, I mean, yes, I'm, I'm pessimistic for sure. I would never say otherwise, but I don't.

[Mall]

Like, you've literally said you're pessimistic.

[Rory]

I know I'm pessimistic, but only with certain things in regards to myself. I don't look at every everyone else in a negative way. It's more of a to her point, self deprecation. I don't like. I do have positive.

[Damaris]

So I think you can be Okay. I think you're pessimistic when it comes to everybody else too, but I think pessimistic and negativity is two different things. I think negativity can be a bad thing. I think pessimist is just. You don't really believe in people as a whole.

[Mall]

You think Rory don't believe in people? You don't think he believes in anybody?

[Rory]

You don't think I believe in anyone?

[Damaris]

No, no.

[Rory]

I think you believe emotional origins did 15,000 seats in South Korea. No, that's not like 100 views on SoundCloud.

[Damaris]

I don't, I don't. So when I say believe in people, I'm not talking about talent wise. I'm talking about.

[Rory]

He photoshopped his face on Beyonce's ad passed 20 years ago. And he's, he's here because I believe in him.

[Mall]

He had to see it. He had to see it.

[Damaris]

I'm talking about Damaris.

[Rory]

You never want to do podcasting. I think you're the best female podcaster, period.

[Mall]

Yeah. Like box her in. You gotta box her in.

[Rory]

Give her credit.

[Damaris]

You saw, you put female, right?

[Mall]

Yeah. Put her in the box, though.

[Rory]

Yeah. Well, women. Yeah. I mean, that's, of course.

[Damaris]

No, I don't. I think you believe in people's talents. Your amazing ass, spotted talent. You know, thanks for my job, all of that cool stuff.

[Rory]

Stuff.

[Damaris]

I mean, as people, I think sometimes you see, like, you don't always believe in the good of people.

[Rory]

Oh, no. I mean that.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Childhood trauma.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Not, not talent wise, but that's managing expectations.

[Rory]

Because in my early 20s, I was like, let me not be that way and trust everyone.

[Damaris]

Okay. It didn't work out for you. Well.

[Rory]

And I should have been like, yo, I should have just been my teenage self. So that's where that comes. But in, like, business and stuff, I'm not pessimistic with everything. I just manage expectations for myself because I know how. I know how that shit goes. Like, this isn't pessimistic in saying it's actually, like, a fact. Usually it's not gonna work out.

[Mall]

Usually it's not gonna work out.

[Rory]

It's cliche. But I have failed 10,000 times, succeeded twice. Like, it's. It's usually not gonna work out. So you should manage your expectations in that regard.

[Jamie Lynn Sigler]

Hard.

[Rory]

I. Yes, it's pessimistic, but it is also realistic.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

You should also always have that drive of this could be the one. Because it could be the one. Yeah, but. But don't think every time. Like.

[Mall]

But don't celebrate too early.

[Rory]

Yeah. Like, it. It probably won't work out.

[Mall]

Gotcha.

[Rory]

And that's okay if you're viewing it in that type of way.

[Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

It's not gonna be the end of me if this doesn't work out.

[Mall]

Okay. So, yeah, that's kind of a defense mechanism. Don't get my hopes up because I'm probably. I've been let down more than I've been. Yeah. You know. Okay.

[Damaris]

Mall, you know, where you're pessimistic and negative when it comes to love.

[Rory]

He's super.

[Damaris]

That don't believe in nothing.

[Mall]

That's not true.

[Damaris]

Everybody cheating them all.

[Mall]

That's not true.

[Damaris]

Every. You know why she did that? She cheating. She just went to go get her nails done on the 21st.

[Mall]

Tell me when I was wrong, though. Tell me when I've ever said somebody was cheating, wasn't doing something right and I was wrong.

[Damaris]

Well, just because you haven't been proven wrong or right doesn't mean you weren't.

[Mall]

No, I've been proven right. I've been proven right. I've been proven right. We ain't going to say I ain't been proved right. I've been proven right. I'm not saying I don't. Don't say that. I don't think everybody cheats. I don't. I don't know everybody to say that, but I can spot the relationships where I'm like, come on, fam, cut this shit. Have just have fun. We get it. It's a moment, but we know this too shall pass that's all I be trying this too shall pass I believe in love. I've seen people in love. I know people in love I've been in love. I. I get it. But like Rory said, it's probably not gonna work out. It's just not. Even if you're married for 15 years, the 16th year you got a divorce.

[Rory]

But that kind of is the beauty of young people. They have like this false sense of like, oh, this could work out.

[Mall]

Yes.

[Rory]

Wow, it's so beautiful. You still have that.

[Mall]

And it could, right? But it probably won't. That's all. That's where I'm at. So it's not like I believe in love. I believe that you should be in love. Fall in love, find love. Love is beautiful. You need love. I get that. But come on, we know. We all have examples of people that we were like, damn, like they love each other. And then one day you be like, what happened? Oh, you know, just irreconcilable differences.

[Rory]

But you are pessimistic about love. She's not wrong. I hear you.

[Damaris]

But pessimistic about love because you tend to lean more towards it not working out than it working out out.

[Mall]

That's not true, though. I just speak.

[Rory]

I do think all like women, for the most part cheat. Like, I know what you just said. I know why.

[Damaris]

It's that other. I'll be like maul.

[Rory]

That's not every girl is someone that, like, sometimes it just doesn't work out. No one's cheating. It just doesn't work out.

[Mall]

Not every woman is sleeping with somebody. I get, yes, a lot of that be jokes. I don't believe that every woman is a cheater. But some of you hoes I'm right about. And that's all I'm saying. Some of you hoes I'm right about.

[Rory]

But I think my pessimism with business comes from a very shady and disgusting business. That's why I think that way. It's not all businesses, it's this one.

[Mall]

Yeah, but people are shady and disgusting.

[Rory]

No, I'm saying you, as far as relationships and what you've been exposed to at a young age is a genre where dating and long term relationships doesn't work out. Whereas Damaris and I have been on the other side as common, common folk and you know, just pedestrians over here. We've seen love work. You've been in entertainment world your whole life and those relationships usually don't work out. We've seen people be college sweethearts and, and go on and have 10 kids and be happy.

[Mall]

I've seen people be college, I'll have sweethearts, have 10 kids and get divorced.

[Rory]

Fair. No, of Course that happens.

[Damaris]

Yeah, for sure.

[Rory]

I'm just saying.

[Mall]

And that's all.

[Rory]

I'm just saying a higher clip of, of that than what you were exposed to at a young age and stayed. You stayed in a world where relationships don't really work out. And now I. We've entered that world and we see it too.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Okay, so I'm not wrong.

[Damaris]

No, it's not that you're not wrong.

[Rory]

No.

[Damaris]

You're just in your world.

[Rory]

You think that's the whole world and that's not.

[Mall]

No, I don't. I think that's the whole world.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Mall]

I could never speak for the whole world. I don't know the whole world. I'm just saying that like you something more times than not, things don't last or work out. When it's people in love, married, like we see it, you get married, great happy for you is great straight. And then something happens. People fall in love and they also fall out of love.

[Damaris]

But I think that there's a beauty even in falling in love, even in falling out. I think there's a beauty in both.

[Mall]

So there's a beauty in falling out if you fell out only if you've tried to make it work.

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Mall]

Then it's like, okay, just go separate ways. Be happy. Go find love again. Go be happy again. Like that's when it's beauty and falling out of love.

[Rory]

That's only cool in movie scripts. It literally just. It literally destroys your entire nerves.

[Damaris]

No, it does.

[Mall]

You'll find love again. She'll find love again. Like, y' all can go on and be happy.

[Rory]

You literally become a different person.

[Mall]

People that co parent have great co parent. I know some people that have a better relationship as co parents than they did when they were together.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Because they don't gotta both. You know, the beautiful thing about co parenting is that you get days off of being a parent. If y' all both live in the same house at the same time, there's

[Mall]

never days off being a parent.

[Damaris]

No, no, of course. Never a day off. I mean physically where you don't have your child. That's what I mean. Like, of mentally, there's never a day off. But if y' all both live in the house at the same time, like that child is always with us. But if you got her Tuesday through Thursday and I got her Friday through Sunday or Monday, it's lit. I get days off where I'm like, yeah, they're safe with their other parent.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

That's why co parents are like, oh, it's cool. I get. I get to take time for myself.

[Mall]

I get it.

[Damaris]

Love.

[Rory]

When the two people that don't have kids talk about kids.

[Damaris]

I mean, I'm sorry that that's not your experience if you can't, you know, relate. But I've heard that from co parents.

[Rory]

Oh, no, for sure. No, I hear you. I do want to. Can we get like a very loud round of applause? I think Doja Cat is the first woman to ever take accountability in her life. Do we always had Doja Cat very high on our. Our rapper list, but I think she is crazy. You die for Doge and Dojo.

[Mall]

I'm make that merch die for Doji.

[Rory]

He thought it was funny. This is a monumental thing. Like, I think the way HOV did that Samsung thing where he sold a million albums before the album even came out was like, we got to put him higher up on the rapper because he did that. I think a woman taking accountability for the first time in her entire life kind of puts Doja higher up on the female rap list. To me, like, this is a monumental moment. And I'd like Damaris to read this just so it can come, you know, from a female voice. Because I've never heard. I've never heard a woman say this before. So I want to hear it from like, that gives a. Give the backstory.

[Damaris]

The women not taking accountability angle is so old because we all know that it's that don't take accountability. But sure, I'll read it.

[Rory]

We're not into men in therapy. They say that even though maybe that is true. True. Right now we're talking about women and their accountability. So stop trying to deflect and talk about us.

[Damaris]

Criticism of Timothy Chalamet and says that her outrage was quote, unquote, virtue signaling. And quote, I've never been to a ballet. I've never seen an opera. I took it upon myself yesterday to kind of give it to the man. Because there is a culture based around outrage and things like that. And people want to feel like they're a part of something. It's a need to connect, whether good or bad. What I was doing yesterday was virtue signaling because I wanted to connect. And I knew that Timothy these goof up was something that I could leverage in order for people to connect with me and with me, she continued. And it's easy. It's a modern way to garner clicks, likes, approval, and all kinds of things like that from people. And so I did that yesterday and I didn't really think about why I was doing it. I don't know anything about opera. I don't know anything about ballet, and I've never been to either shows.

[Mall]

That was. That was all.

[Rory]

That was beautiful jokes aside.

[Mall]

That was.

[Rory]

I know we're making the. The woman thing. That was just a joke. This is one of the greatest things I've ever read of any human being. We've all been guilty of this to.

[Mall]

So vulnerable.

[Rory]

To hear a. No, I'm dead ass. To hear an A list artist, like, admit this shit. Because this is everybody on the Internet. Y' all don't. Y' all do not care about the things you're outraged about.

[Mall]

No.

[Rory]

Like the fact that she flat out admitted this is. I, of course, the Internet kind of ignored this because the Internet is this. You guys all get outraged about shit you do not care about. You have no interest in. You've never been to a ballet. Or that's just a metaphor for everything.

[Damaris]

Something.

[Rory]

You've never been to a ballet. You don't care. You just want to get some feedback that you're a good person. When someone up. At least I'm not them.

[Mall]

It's called trolling.

[Rory]

No, this isn't trolling. This is the.

[Mall]

No, no, no, no, no. What she was doing virtual signaling or whatever. That. That's just trolling.

[Rory]

Trolling to me is more on the joke side. Like, we troll Jack Harlow now. I don't particularly care to shit on Jack. I don't really. Virtual virtue singling is, like, more here, right?

[Damaris]

Yeah, it's more like guys like, oh, my God, I'm so much better than you. Like, here. I can't believe you did that.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Like, oh, my God, I can't believe that black lives matter.

[Rory]

Like, let's look at. Let me post a black square so it shows that I care even though I'm in my house doing nothing.

[Mall]

Yeah. I look at all of this trolling because I never believe any of that. I never believe any of that.

[Rory]

I hate Gen Z like, dialogue. But this one does make more sense to me because I think trolling and virtue signaling are drastically different. Different. Trolling's funny. Whatever. Troll away. Make jokes.

[Mall]

But trolling.

[Rory]

I hate people that try to make themselves be better than everyone else off a topic they don't give a about. And the fact that an A list artist admitted this to me, I think Doja Cat really deserves, like, flowers for having that moment.

[Mall]

That was gangster, yo. It was gangster, baby. Daby, are you okay?

[Rory]

We've all. We've all done this.

[Damaris]

No. And no one's really admitted Stop saying that. Don't speak for me. We have not all done that.

[Mall]

Done what?

[Damaris]

Virtue signaling.

[Rory]

Not. Not maybe for, like, real serious issues. But she just said, bro, I don't care. The opera. I did that cuz I needed some attention that day. I need attention that day, so I did it.

[Damaris]

You kick somebody's back in horribly kick somebody's back in about something when everybody was already on top of them to make it seem like you were a better person than them. Not everybody.

[Rory]

Should I refresh all of our mentions? That's what happens every day.

[Mall]

I think most people have done that at least once in their life on the Internet. For sure.

[Damaris]

Okay, Yeah. I think that y' all are applauding somebody for admitting that they did some corny. Just don't do the corny. And then you don't have to admit.

[Mall]

No, no, no, no, no, no. But that needs to be applauded.

[Rory]

That needs to be applauded.

[Damaris]

What?

[Mall]

When you call yourself out for knowing

[Rory]

you was doing corny shit.

[Mall]

Cause niggas, nobody, people don't do that. So for somebody and then somebody like dozier to do that. Yes, I applaud that.

[Rory]

I definitely do.

[Damaris]

She's done a whole bunch of other corny shit, though.

[Rory]

She definitely apologized for it.

[Mall]

She 100%. 100%. I'm just saying this is a start. This is a start. She's admitting she was virtue signaling. Whatever. She was wrong. She was doing it for engagements, for people to connect and fuck with her.

[Damaris]

Like, even the. But this is the thing. Even this apology is virtual.

[Mall]

No, but don't do that. No, no, no.

[Rory]

Don't do that.

[Mall]

Don't do that.

[Rory]

Don't do that, don't do that.

[Damaris]

But even this apology is virtual.

[Mall]

Don't do that.

[Rory]

Because I think everyone on the Internet would look at this attention.

[Damaris]

I just wanted attention, and I wanted people to give me attention, so I kicked the man's back in. I shouldn't have did that. You know, nowadays, this is a modern way to garner clicks, likes, and attention. And we shouldn't do that. And we should be. It's even. Your apology is virtue signal.

[Rory]

No, she made it about her. She didn't say anyone else. She said, I. I did this. Yeah, I did it. What I was doing yesterday was virtue signaling because I wanted to connect. I'm sorry, it's. You got to make that bigger pause. And I knew that Timothy's goof up was something that I could leverage in order for people to connect with me. And with me. She ain't say, yo, Y' all were doing this. She made it all about her culture based.

[Damaris]

There is a culture based around rage and things like that, and people want to feel like they're a part of something. Don't just say that.

[Rory]

She's talking.

[Damaris]

Don't change the subject. You said that she didn't address her entire. No, the subject was that you said that she didn't address anybody else, and she did. There is a culture based around outrage and things like that, and people wanted to feel like they're a part of something. It was not just about her. Well, I just did this.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Damaris]

It's bringing up the masses in all of this.

[Rory]

You're still.

[Mall]

It's the whole thing.

[Rory]

Yeah. You're missing. All right. Yes.

[Damaris]

I'm not.

[Rory]

She's saying that there is a culture based around outrage, which I think everyone in this room can agree, of course. And she's saying I have felt victim to that. Me, I have fallen into that culture of the outrage shit where I just needed some dopamine that day. I needed to feel like I was better than someone else that was fucking up at the time. Even though I don't give a fuck about ballet or operating opera, I'm gonna look like the better person in this story. I care. Like, I appreciate that.

[Damaris]

Message Timothy, into. In Texas.

[Rory]

Because I said it again.

[Damaris]

Message Timothy. This. This exact message.

[Rory]

Message you're not on the side of. If I do something public, the apology has to be public.

[Damaris]

No. Message Timothy, about how you're virtual.

[Rory]

It depends.

[Damaris]

Just come out and say, yo. Yo. I'm not gonna lie. What I said about Timothy was corny. That's it. All this extra explanation of all of this shit.

[Rory]

But do you not think it's important for. Especially with. With Doja Cat Stan fan base as well, and the culture that is. Of this whole thing that this was not important to say. To admit that people do this.

[Damaris]

Sure. Just don't. Just don't. Just don't do it in the beginning. Just. Just don't do it anyway. It wasn't like she was kicking his back in about him being a racist or. Or something of that nature. Him being a woman hater.

[Rory]

They were kicking that with real topics. I'm saying she did it with something she didn't give a fuck about, which I think everyone does on the Internet every day. I'm not talking about real fucking real. You're talking about colorism. I know for a fact you care about colorism. We're talking about things that people do not care about. All of a sudden you're just on the Internet going in all. You don't care about this. You don't.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Mall]

And it's.

[Rory]

You're just trying to look like a better personnel.

[Damaris]

And I agree. I agree a lot of that. Do that. But they're corny people. So I'm not going. So this is my thing. This was corny. What she did was corny. So I'm not.

[Rory]

She was corny.

[Damaris]

Okay. But I'm not going to applaud her for admitting that she was corny when you're just being corny. You're still rewarding corniness.

[Rory]

Okay. All right, Demerus, you are correct. You are correct that you do not need to applaud someone for saying, yo, I was corny. That's what you're supposed to do. I'm saying in this day and age, on the Internet, in 2026, we do need to highlight somebody finally saying, yo, I did some corny that everyone does on the Internet all the time.

[Damaris]

It's.

[Rory]

We're in different times. You don't need to. But I think at this point, everyone needs to look at this and go, oh, yeah, this is pretty much the entire timeline.

[Damaris]

Oh, okay. I like apologies when they come a while after you did something because that means that you've grown.

[Rory]

It's no lussell as far as message, but it's important.

[Damaris]

If you knew. If you're admitting that it's corny now, you knew it was corny when you did it. Like, if. If it took years, and you was like, hey, I grew up. I didn't know back then, but I'm better now. This is an apology.

[Rory]

You can't.

[Damaris]

Was corny when you did it, and then you just, like, come out and. And admit it two days later.

[Rory]

The habit on the Internet of doing corny so much that they get so used to it that they don't think they're corny anymore.

[Mall]

So you saying the apology, she should have let it breathe.

[Damaris]

No, I don't even think that she should have let it breathe. What I'm saying is. I'm not. Your apology means nothing because you knew it was corny when you did it. If you can come out a week later and say, hey, that was corny, you know it was corny.

[Mall]

But a week later, a month later, a year later, what's the difference?

[Damaris]

Because at least in a year, she could say, hey, I didn't know it was corny then, but I grew. Now it's just like, you knew it was corny when you did it.

[Rory]

I'VE done. I've done corny in real time. Ten minutes later realized I was doing some corny.

[Mall]

If she apologized 10 years later, I would say, yo, she said I was corny.

[Rory]

Was I?

[Mall]

When even if she apologized 10 years from now, said I'll be like, yo, she knew that was wrong when she did that.

[Rory]

Like, I just can't believe a celebrity actually admitted this. I'm not saying she needs to be applauded the same way men say, yo, I take care of my kids. Like you want to be applauded for that. I'm just saying I think in this day and age it's cool to hear somebody admit this. Yeah, that's all.

[Damaris]

I can agree with that.

[Rory]

Cuz everyone on the Internet does this and tries to avoid like they don't like now y' all care. Yeah, that's just where I'm at with it.

[Damaris]

But no worrying mouth.

[Rory]

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[Damaris]

There were some people that really cared about Timothy's comments.

[Rory]

No, they.

[Damaris]

No, there were some people in the world who really did care about Timothy.

[Mall]

No, they don't just want to be outraged and upset about.

[Damaris]

Why are y'.

[Mall]

All.

[Damaris]

Why are y' all acting like it's not. I'm not talking about just random people on the Internet. I'm talking about people in the field that spent their whole life studying the field that he on. There were some people who had a reason to be upset about what he said. Like, okay, just because it doesn't apply to you.

[Mall]

Like, what did he say when he

[Damaris]

was talking about how opera is not important? Let me get the direct quote. He was basically not on opera's importance. Opera and ballet's importance importance. Performing arts There are people who are in performing arts who do care about that type of thing.

[Rory]

I think there's a difference between. Between saying it should die or it is dying.

[Mall]

Oh, no, that's a. That's a total.

[Rory]

So I'm not sure we can talk about a fact. Right.

[Mall]

Is this the quote? Is this the quote, what he said?

[Damaris]

I don't want to be working in ballet or opera or, you know, things where it's like, hey, keep this thing alive, even though it's like no one cares about this anymore.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

All respect to the ballet and opera people out there. I just lost 14 ships, 14 cents in viewership. I just took shots for no reason then.

[Rory]

And he said it in a joking way. Whatever. Cool. If someone feels away about that, I'm not. Not here to tell you not to feel away. But at that point, yes, it is a. A dying art on Broadway. Ticket prices keep going way too high. It's a lot of people not passing that art form down to their kids. So kids don't care. We're supposed to make kids care about opera in ballet?

[Damaris]

Yes, actually, I make kids care about a whole lot of that. Don't really matter.

[Jamie Lynn Sigler]

Matter.

[Damaris]

Authentic. Authentic, like theater, authentic art and performance art. Yes. We should make kids think. Care about those type of.

[Rory]

Even when it was popular, it was still a very small percentage of kids that ended up caring about it.

[Damaris]

No, it's not true. It's that it was available to a very small percentage of kids. It was available to a very small percentage of kids. That's why people used to funnel and try to raise money for their art departments. Not because not a lot of kids cared about it, but because a lot of kids couldn't afford to care about it. They couldn't afford to be exposed to it. That's been going on for years.

[Rory]

Okay. The highest form of ballet can be in a theater. Right?

[Damaris]

To an extent. Modernly, it could be the highest form of what?

[Rory]

Can you tell me a time where opera and ballet sold out in arena size or a stadium size or, like, what. What do you like? I don't understand what you guys are getting at. He didn't say anything wrong. It's a dying art form. Like, even at its peak, it only sold so many tickets. I'm not taking away from the art of it. I think that's what you. I think that's what everyone's missing in this whole thing. No one is saying opera isn't important or ballet isn't important. Matter of fact, Kanye west dedicated, one of the greatest hip Hop albums of all time to ballet. Ballet is super important. But to say it's not a dying art form when at its peak it was only selling 2,000 tickets. I don't really know. Every art form is dying. That was doing 10 billion streams. Now something that only sold 2,000 tickets at its prime. We're supposed to sit here and go, oh, what's going on?

[Damaris]

Okay, I'm not the person to argue that for you.

[Rory]

You just, you just told me with Jack Harlow when he sold out the Barclays. Is he going to sell it out again? Those aren't real fans. You can only fill up so much of a size theater for ballet or opera. Okay, correct me if I'm wrong. In the 1600s, when Shakespeare was around, maybe they were doing the Coliseum. I don't know. I'm just saying in the modern time, like what did Timothy say that was so crazy? Fire. That's one of how many artists in

[Mall]

any other genre very rarely did performances here though. So I can understand why that was such a big event. So I get that.

[Rory]

So it's, it's Timothy's fault. Like he's, he's influencing kids. Watch Timothy and wait, you know what? Fuck ballet.

[Damaris]

No, it's not about him. It's not about him influencing anything. People. All I'm saying is that the people in an art form can be allowed to say that. Can be allowed to be outraged that you said that their art form that they worked their whole life towards is dying. Or that there's not a lot of people into it, or that he doesn't, even though he came from it, he doesn't want to stay in it. Like people can look at that and be offended. That's fine.

[Rory]

Conan made a hilarious joke in his monologue when he brought that up and he said the only thing Timothy said wrong was he forgot jazz,

[Damaris]

which is funny.

[Rory]

And they were saying that about jazz until hip hop showed up.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Cuz hip hop revamped jazz. If we being real.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Used elements from it sampled. I started getting into jazz music because of hip hop. I wasn't sitting there just researching jazz. Hip hop got me into of that. Some, some of the stuff that just blazes. Sample from opera singers I've looked into because of hip hop. To sit here and act like opera and ballet have this crazy PR and it's just us, us young kids on it. To get rid of it is just like insane to me. No, it's a dying form. Just, just like music.

[Damaris]

It's okay. Like, like you want hard for Timothy you know him or something?

[Mall]

Yeah, that's his guy.

[Damaris]

That's got to be his guy.

[Rory]

That's my guy. French to me.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I figured we from the same block.

[Mall]

I mean, Misty Copeland kind of revamped and made black girls fall in love with ballet again. You know, ballet is fire, but it's a very. It's a very niche, very, you know, unique art form that not a lot of, you know, kids are into anymore.

[Damaris]

So, yeah, they brought Night at the Oscars.

[Rory]

But, yeah, they said that was a shot at Tim. Timothy.

[Mall]

I'm sure Timothy laughed at that. Y' all go get the greatest ballerina

[Rory]

ever on top of that. I'm sure he enjoyed that performance.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, I get it.

[Damaris]

But that's why we shouldn't let ballet and things die out, and we should encourage the kids to go into it. Instead of.

[Mall]

When you put kids into ballet, that's just a way for you to have extra free time after school.

[Rory]

Yeah. And even if you get to the highest form of way that you keep

[Mall]

pushing your kids, unless they fall in love with it. But, like, you know how many little girls I know was into ballet at one point? I'm like, yo, when the last time your daughter did, like. Well, she didn't do ballet in nine years.

[Rory]

And you know what? Look what Shorty had to go through with Save the Last Dance just to get into Juilliard. Like, I'm not putting my kid through that.

[Mall]

Ballet is like. Like, remember karate classes?

[Damaris]

It's.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mall]

How many of these that was in karate classes went on to get their black belt?

[Rory]

That's a perfect example.

[Mall]

How many of them went on to get their blood?

[Rory]

Some of them ended up being ninja ninjas. Yeah, but that's like one out of. Of every 10,000 kids.

[Mall]

But they're more ninja warriors than ninjas, though. More have completed the ninja warrior gauntlet.

[Rory]

Every little girl had a tutu. Every little boy had a yellow belt. Some people went to yellow belt and some people became ninjas. But it's very small. Like, to make a career out of

[Mall]

it, they give you a yellow belt. If you could do a roundhouse, like, what the.

[Rory]

Like, you know, I love the movie Whiplash. I watch that shit. It's based off a true story. I was like, like, all right, so this guy, after he. He bleeds through his hands. What's the end goal here? Nick Canon at the end of Drum Line. Unless you about to be a producer, like, you about to be in a marching band for the rest of your life.

[Mall]

Yo, yo. Karate classes and Ballet classes. Definitely the same thing. Same art form. Same art form. I don't care what it is.

[Damaris]

Y' all are so disrespectful.

[Mall]

It is, though. I'm just saying, like, I get it, though. But, you know.

[Rory]

All right, all right. Top five ballet dancers.

[Damaris]

Oh, God, that is so corny. I hate when you do that. Do that. That's so corny. Just because. Because something isn't my passion does not mean that it shouldn't be respected or that it's a dying.

[Rory]

Wait. I respect it, though.

[Damaris]

Something is not dying just because you aren't a fan of it.

[Rory]

I. Well, who said. Whoever said that. I was very clear inside every genre.

[Mall]

Listen, I agree, and that one's been dying. But you got to tell me. You got to name one person you know that's in the ballet. Just somebody personally in your contact. Somebody that you've met.

[Damaris]

My old ballet teacher. Shout out to her.

[Mall]

That don't count. She's a ballet teacher. Teacher. I'm talking about one of your homegirls that's like, yo, Alex.

[Damaris]

Alex just went to the ballet last week. Alex.

[Mall]

Shout out my Gucci.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And granted, I would go to a ballet.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I would go to opera, too.

[Mall]

I'm not going to that, man.

[Damaris]

I've been. I would. Alvin.

[Mall]

I'll go see the Whispers before I

[Damaris]

go to the Chocolate Nutcracker. Debbie Allen. If I had access to. Or the money to do some of those things, I definitely would.

[Mall]

That's why it's dying on. Can't afford.

[Rory]

I said they raising ticket prices every. Everything. Like, Hamilton was the first Broadway play that they got bust in. Kids from New York City public schools to sit in the mezzanine. Like, that's a snot. That's what I hated the most about it, because that's the snobbiest world on earth. And now y' all want to play victim. Y' all are snobs. That never wanted us around you. Now all of a sudden, it's like, oh, my God, Timothy said this. You've never even wanted any of us around you. It's a thousand dollars to go to that shit. Shut up.

[Damaris]

But. Okay, okay.

[Mall]

He wasn't telling you to shut up.

[Damaris]

No, I know he wasn't, but. Okay, we're not gonna agree.

[Rory]

She can't name one ballet. Do you think I was talking to her? She can't name a ballet person as

[Mall]

somebody that's studied performing arts. It's definitely been something that, you know. It's a very niche group of people that really follow that from middle school, high school, college, and go all the way to actually performing, for sure.

[Damaris]

And my only thing with that is a lot of it has to do with access and money.

[Mall]

No one.

[Damaris]

It's not because people are interested in money.

[Mall]

You know, this. It's. It's. I think a lot of dancers that we know that, like, you know, go on tour and dance for a lot of our favorite artists. A lot of them studied. Yeah, they come from the ballet world and they study dance and things like that. But to actually stick and, like, really perform, like how Misty did ballet all the way through, that is very rare.

[Damaris]

Very rare.

[Rory]

But again, I think from our culture, especially from our culture, but I think the dancers that are on tour with Beyonce are more inspired been by Sierra than they are ballet dancers.

[Mall]

A lot of that, too.

[Damaris]

But they're trained. They're trained.

[Rory]

That's what I was. Sierra is one of the greatest dancers of all time. It's a trained dancer.

[Mall]

Yes.

[Rory]

But to close this, I will say Timothy is from a building that subsidized artists to live there because it was a dying art in 1970. He's from Manhattan Plaza. They made it for artists that were working on Broadway doing ballet, opera, performance. They could get cheap rent because it was a dying art form in 1970. His building is based off a dying art form, which I think is beautiful. I love Manhattan Plaza. But to have the kid that grew up in a building that is based off an art form dying to say, hey, I think the art form's dying is nuts. Give the kid a break. That's all I'm saying.

[Damaris]

Okay? You don't stood up for all the whites this episode, man. You got your cape on for the whites, Jack.

[Rory]

Timothy's Day Doja.

[Mall]

St. Patty's Day, baby.

[Rory]

Listen, man, I ain't seen. I ain't seen Kylie in the building yet.

[Mall]

Kylie who? Jenner?

[Rory]

Yeah. Where you. I don't see Kylie on the block.

[Mall]

Kylie won't be on that block, Kim.

[Rory]

No. Khloe went to South Jamaica.

[Mall]

She was with. You know how Timothy ain't got the stripes like that?

[Rory]

Nah, they call him French Timmy in the building.

[Mall]

French Tim.

[Rory]

How are the dead ass, they call him. Nah, Timothy got stain in the building. He'll be all right.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Damaris]

How are the Knicks doing?

[Rory]

We all. We doing all right going to the playoff.

[Damaris]

Y' all don't sound confident.

[Rory]

Y' all don't sound confident.

[Mall]

They're going to the playoffs.

[Damaris]

They're going to the playoffs.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Okay. How's Meg's boyfriend doing?

[Mall]

Clay.

[Rory]

He plays.

[Mall]

He has a name. Clay Thompson.

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Rory]

He'll probably go to the hall of Fame.

[Mall]

No, Klay Thompson is definitely.

[Damaris]

I'm talking about this season.

[Mall]

Not. It's not a good season for him.

[Damaris]

Not a good season. Are they going to the playoffs?

[Mall]

The Mavericks? No. Well, they might be in a play in. They might make it. I think they might be on the plane. They should be in the playing right now. Yeah, they might. I mean, they might. No, I don't. I don't know, but they got a chance then. Playing, Not. Oh, yeah. So. No, they're.

[Damaris]

Oh, okay.

[Mall]

What place are they in? Oh, yeah, they're. Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

How many games back are they from the AC? 9 games.

[Mall]

They got this N. And it's only 13 games left.

[Rory]

I know. Yeah.

[Mall]

No, they.

[Rory]

Oh, they could win out.

[Mall]

Yeah. Clay's having a terrible year this year. This is probably his worst year.

[Damaris]

Probably the best year of his life, but his worst year personally.

[Mall]

Oh, no, personally, he hooping. He hooping in his personal life. At work. Yeah. Nah, it's just not, you know, it's not translating, but happy for him and, you know, his.

[Rory]

His.

[Mall]

His relationship with me.

[Damaris]

I just want to know. I asked you guys about some, like, the ball game things.

[Rory]

Yeah, I'm. I'm with Clay on this entire year. If you've accomplished this much, you're fine financially, man.

[Mall]

Just.

[Rory]

Just go off in the sunset with your queen. Like, I'm. I'm kind of. I'm kind of over Klay Thompson. He's not. Yeah, he's getting.

[Damaris]

He's no spring chicken.

[Mall]

Yeah, he could.

[Rory]

He's a shooter, so. I mean, he could sit in the side for the next two years and just get quarter threes off, but he

[Mall]

ain't been doing that.

[Rory]

But if you've accomplished what he's accomplished, you're fine, your family's fine for the rest of their lives. You found your person. I. Basketball, like, your whole life shouldn't have to be that.

[Mall]

Yeah, but then you have to play.

[Rory]

You're 36 years. 36 years old is old for an athlete, not for a human being on earth. Like, plan the rest of your life, though.

[Mall]

Yeah, but go be with the person

[Rory]

you want to meet. Go pop out some kids.

[Mall]

Let me be pessimistic. What if they don't work out?

[Rory]

Of course you still have 100 million. Okay, well, 50 million if she takes half of it.

[Mall]

We didn't talk about Bam's 83 point game.

[Damaris]

Oh, we didn't. I tried to bring it up. Y' all didn't want to talk about it.

[Mall]

We did. Oh, How'd you feel about that? Let me say this.

[Rory]

I saw new PR agents. His grandmother died that day at 83 years old. So I wish they would have led with that.

[Mall]

Bam's grandmother.

[Daniel Cormier]

Yeah.

[Mall]

I didn't know that.

[Rory]

They put that out today.

[Mall]

Word.

[Rory]

Died that day at 83. And I was like, why didn't you guys leave with this? Because I was shitting on it before.

[Mall]

Grandmother died that day at 83 years old.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

There's no way that's true. No, no.

[Rory]

It was her birthday. She would have turned 83. No, she was 83 when she died.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Yeah. Five years ago, and it was her

[Rory]

birthday that day, and she died at 83. 83. But I mean, if we're. If we're just putting grandmas into every game, then.

[Mall]

Wait a minute, because this is news. His grandmother died at 83, and her birthday was that day.

[Rory]

Yeah. And his mother was there with the Jersey that had 83 on it with. With grandma's name on the back.

[Mall]

No way.

[Rory]

I don't know why they didn't leave with that. I don't know why it took a week to get this news.

[Mall]

Is that real? Like, his grandma. His mother had a jersey.

[Rory]

It could be AI that day. Could be AI. I don't know.

[Mall]

Nice. No way, bro.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Look, she's cry. He's crying, and that's.

[Rory]

That's 83 on the back of the jersey.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Nah, bro. That got. Nah, there's no way. There's no way that's real. There's no way that Bleacher report. No, I think your jersey said 13. Yeah, but 83.

[Rory]

Oh, then someone definitely changed.

[Mall]

His mother did not have a jersey with the number 83 on it the night he scored. 83. There's no way.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Either way, listen. Respect the BAM. Scoring 83 points on any level of sports is incredible and hard to do. Now, with that being said, I do feel like it was nasty because they chased it, and, you know, you was up damn near 40 with 4 minutes left and still in the game. Like, if you listen, records are made to be broken. If you got a chance. You feel like you got a chance to break a record. Record, go after it. But it. It's just. It just looks a little nasty, though. Like, when you. You chasing it down the stretch, and it's just like. I get it. But just a little nasty, that's all. If y' all gonna get mad. If y' all gonna get mad, because down Listen, but here's my thing. They get mad when a team is up 30, right? And it's a minute left or 2 minutes, 30 seconds, and they still shooting the ball. So we got it. We gotta keep the same energy. If you up 30 and because he got 68, 70 some points, and y' all still giving him the ball to try to score. It's the same. Keep the same energy. You can't get mad that when the game is out of reach and the other team is still trying to score. Cause the players get mad if you take a shot. You're like, y' all 20, bro. The game is over. Like, why are you trying to go get this layup? Players get maddened, be ready to fight. Keep the same energy on this side. Why is he still in the game if y' all up 40 or whatever with three minutes left? How ever much time is that? You know the game is over. Like, y' all gonna win the game. Why is he still in the game? And not only that, y' all are feeding him like, y' all going to him like, yo, give him the ball. Give him the ball. Like, so that's. That's my only problem. Like, I get it. 83 on any level is crazy. You can't go out and score 83 in a fucking high school game, right?

[Damaris]

Right now.

[Mall]

If you as a pro, like, a lot of pros wouldn't be able to get 83 in the high school game right now. So I'm just saying, like, keep the same energy. If you're gonna get mad when players try to score, when they up and the game is out of reach and they still trying to get layups and easy and score the ball, keep the same energy. When Bam got 70 something and he's still in the game, up 40 and they feeding him the ball, like, keep this same energy is all I'm saying.

[Rory]

I think Ryan text us at the beginning of the fourth and said he had 70. And I thought they were taking him out the game at that point. And then he ended up doing 83. It was like, yo, I was so confused. 70 points in the third quarter. It's like, all right, they're taking them out.

[Mall]

I mean, listen, I salute the 83 because it's not easy to.

[Rory]

To.

[Mall]

To score that many, you know, points in the NBA at a professional game. But keep the same energy. That's all. Don't matter when niggas are shooting, when they up by 20 and it's a minute left.

[Rory]

If you have that same strategy with someone like. Like, Dame. I'll even say Gilbert Arenas. How many points are they getting with that same strategy? How much is Damen Lillard getting with that strategy that they gave B?

[Mall]

I mean, I.

[Rory]

It's well past 83, I'll tell you that.

[Mall]

I mean, they had. They. I mean, but I. I can't say that. You know, you still got to be able to put the ball in the hoop, but 40 free throws is crazy. Shooting 43 throws in a game is w. Wow. Like, that's insane. But listen, I'm not like, I see people mad all the. I'm not mad, but it's just a little nasty. It looks a little nasty when they was chasing it. I understand going after the record if you're able to get it, but just don't get mad now. Next week, I don't want to see nobody mad. When a team is up and they still got they starters in and they trying to run the score up, don't ask for sportsmanship then. Cause there was no sportsmanship in sight. When your team is up 40 and Bam got 70 something and you're like, fuck it. Go after the record. Like, there was no sportsmanship show there. So keep the same energy as all.

[Rory]

Yeah, no, that was like old college football type shit.

[Mall]

But shout out to ma'. Am. I'm not. Not definitely. Don't want to diminish that. Like, that's.

[Rory]

He scored 83 points.

[Mall]

83.

[Damaris]

Is everybody shitting on him so bad? I'm like, why? They were like, bam. Out of all people. I'm like, is he whack or something? Like, why is everybody so bad?

[Mall]

He's not whack, but I think his career high was like 40 before that.

[Rory]

Which is crazy, by the way. 40 points is crazy.

[Mall]

You averaged like 20. You know something? It's just like, like, not a scorer. He's not a scorer. Yeah, he's just not a. He's not like a prolific scorer like that. So for him to have 83, like, it's like something is like, all right, what the is going on?

[Rory]

Like, keep going. When you up 20, it's just up 20.

[Mall]

They was up 40. I think at one point in that game, it's just like, why is he still on the floor?

[Rory]

What did they say on Twitter? They said Jason Tatum would have scored 80 and then subbed himself out and texted Kobe. Before we get out of here, Damaris, I want to say, I thought your goat was retired, but we are getting another J. Cole record. Mike Will made it. Just announced his album reset March 20th end of this week, there is one record solo with J. Cole. No other features, but, I mean, Mike Will is to me, one of the best modern producers, period. So I'm excited for the shake ass to it. I mean, he got Travis Porter on the second record, so I. I don't doubt it. Yeah, I love bringing back Travis Porter. The record that I'm most excited for, Rooms featuring NBA Youngboy and Chief Keef.

[Damaris]

Oh, no.

[Rory]

I'm a lot like. No, I. Like, I'mma shoot somebody. I'm a civilian and. But, like, we might need to take my gun and go somewhere.

[Damaris]

And go somewhere is funny as. Where are we going?

[Rory]

I don't know, but, like, let's just go somewhere, okay? Let's just figure it out.

[Damaris]

Do you know how to bust it, though? I'm not going nowhere with you if you don't know how to bust your gun.

[Rory]

I was. I will send you all my results. Every time I go to Atlanta, I go to the range every time.

[Damaris]

Why you going to. It's ranges in Jersey I done been to.

[Rory]

Yeah, but them, they don't. They don't accept my guns. You and you need a different type of. It's not the way Atlanta, you walk in and they don't even ask you if you ever held a gun before.

[Damaris]

That's what I did in Jersey.

[Rory]

That's what's so crazy. Like, Atlanta, literally, you could just walk in and as long as you have the cash, they will give you an assault rifle and be like, well, they won't even ask you if you know how to put a clip in.

[Damaris]

But you can do that in Jersey, too. I promise you. My first time ever shooting a gun was in Jersey. I just walked in and was like, hey, guys, I want to shoot. They gave me a gun.

[Rory]

Springfield Avenue in Newark doesn't count.

[Damaris]

It's called ofg. Damn. What you think the of stand for?

[Rory]

Ryan says only fans girl is the J. Cole record.

[Damaris]

You too horny, Ryan? You too horny, baby.

[Jamie Lynn Sigler]

That's.

[Rory]

I don't know what it stands for. I mean, I do. Like, anytime Mike Will and Cole are together.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

But I hope it's not one of the old records from, like, those sessions a few years ago.

[Damaris]

Oh, standing. Oh, that's Travis Porter and Mona Leo. Yeah, I'm on that.

[Rory]

No, just looking at that.

[Mall]

This.

[Rory]

This track list. Like, Mike Will is just trying to make good music.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Ti Young DRO and Killer Mike. I'm with that. I'm with that.

[Mall]

Y' all skipping over that teasy touchdown ludicrous record yeah, yeah, that might be crazy.

[Rory]

T old friend of the show. I definitely want to hear Tzo and Luda together and sway Lee by himself. Okay, CeeLo by himself. I. I just like this track list. Usually we don't judge off track list, but. But I don't know. I'm excited when you get Mike Willard to produce everything.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I always get excited. And n let me down. I'm tired of that.

[Rory]

So it's Mike Willard.

[Mall]

That's pessimistic.

[Damaris]

See, but I don't think that that's pessimistic.

[Mall]

I always get excited, and niggas always let me down.

[Damaris]

That's just the truth. Me saying a nigga's going to let me down, that's pessimistic. I didn't say he's gonna let me down. I'm saying it's happened to me before.

[Rory]

You know, Mike Will's on that short list for. For me.

[Damaris]

Oh, no, Mike Will is perfect.

[Rory]

He. I don't think he's ever let me down.

[Damaris]

No.

[Rory]

A list. I mean, he's a list too, but like legendary. Legendary producers have let me down. I can't think of a time Mike will let me down.

[Mall]

You should send him some flowers.

[Rory]

I mean, if. If he'll accept him.

[Mall]

Take him on a date maybe. Oh, you love him so much.

[Damaris]

That was mean, guys. Those mean.

[Mall]

Sorry. I'm sorry. St Patrick's Day. I'm sorry, Rory. Yeah, happy St Patrick's Day once again to all of our Irish lads and lads.

[Rory]

Ladettes.

[Mall]

Is that what they call them? Yeah, Ladettes.

[Rory]

That's exactly what.

[Mall]

Shout out to Rory and the Ladettes. Rory and the Ladettes. Hopefully, Rory. Right now, as we're hearing, the world is hearing the show on Fifth Avenue, having a great time with the family.

[Rory]

I will be there.

[Mall]

Yeah, man. And we'll talk to y' all soon. Be safe. Be blessed. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. Happy St. Patrick's Day.

[Damaris]

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[Damaris]

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