Episode 471 | Somebody Lying

Summary

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New Rory & MAL — Episode 471 | "Somebody Lying"

Date: March 24, 2026
Hosts: Rory & Mal (with Damaris)
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume

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Episode Overview

This episode brings classic Rory & Mal banter: updates on recent misadventures, a hilarious pop-up event plug, travel woes, behind-the-scenes industry talk, and deep dives into hip-hop culture. The main focus is on J. Cole’s recent interviews, the fallout from the so-called “Big Three” battle in hip-hop, industry honesty, artist accountability, and plenty of spontaneous comedic riffs—plus a good dose of “somebody lying” throughout.

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Key Discussions & Insights

1. NYC Pop-Up Plug & Life Updates

[03:31–06:37]

• Rory & Mall promote a special merch pop-up at Cafe Comada in NYC on March 28.
• Both will create exclusive non-alcoholic drinks for fans.
• Rory jokes about parenting woes and daycare costs, humorously weighing “Jay Z tickets vs. my kid’s food”.
• "J Amara. Amara Jay. Which one?" (Mall, [05:24])
• Jokes about DJ Ryan's setlist and lack of a proper DJ name.

Notable Quote:

“I never trusted DJs where it’s just their name.” — Mall, [06:49]

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2. Damaris’ Airport Fiasco & "Baby D Challenge"

[07:12–14:39]

• Damaris is stuck in travel limbo due to airport shutdowns; Rory and Mall FaceTime her live from the airport.
• Damaris recounts her eventful Houston trip, including being trapped at the airport after a party ("burgers and bottles").
• Introduction of the "Baby D Challenge"—a playful bit about lying down in weird places, inspired by Damaris’ roof mishap in Houston.

Notable Exchange:

“How did you end up on that roof?”
“I went up there to talk on the phone and then I got sleepy. So I laid there and no one woke me up...”
– Rory & Damaris, [13:39]

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3. The J. Cole/Nadeska Interview – Truth or Spin?

[16:10–19:39]

• Main Theme: J. Cole’s recent interview with Nadeska (and an upcoming Cam’ron sit-down) following his controversial apology after the hip-hop “Big Three” battle (Drake/Kendrick/Cole).
• Mall argues Nadeska went "too safe," not challenging Cole hard enough, and claims Cole’s “battle with himself” story over his apology seems performative.
  • “A lot of that was things that he probably just made up on the spot or just made up on the way there.” — Mall, [18:08]
• Rory partly disagrees, believing Cole’s anxiety and conflict over the issue are legit.
• Both agree Cam’ron’s forthcoming interview will be more direct, especially on battle-related questions.

Key Insight:

• Mall claims Cole did not undergo an internal battle over apologizing—believes he simply chose peace after a conversation with Kendrick.

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4. Industry Fallout and Accountability:

[21:00–34:18]

• Cole’s album production timeline was derailed by the events of the battle; Mall notes he predicted Cole would have to redo the album:
  • “He had to call an audible musically because everything in that moment changed.” — Mall, [24:53]
• Discussion on why Cole hasn’t spoken to Drake since the battle. Mall insists there has been no real conversation, despite Cole’s vague remarks.
• Both stress the importance of real-life accountability and directly mending relationships after public fallouts.
• Rory: “Sometimes I get the message, like, if it’s not off one text, I’m not gonna beat this into the ground…” ([44:44])

Notable Quote:

“When you do things to your friends that, you know, hurt your friends... you gotta face that confrontation, bro.” — Mall, [33:16]

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5. Healthy Debates, Hip-Hop Culture & Cole’s Stance

[45:53–52:23]

• The hosts lament the changing landscape of musical discourse, especially online “stan wars.”
• Mall and Rory defend healthy rap debates as foundational to hip-hop, criticizing the idea that debating equals tearing down artists.
  • “Rap is a competitive art form... part of the culture.” — Mall, [45:07]
• Call out artists who denounce fans/media for criticism while doing the same thing behind closed doors.

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6. Big Sean’s Influence & Flow Borrowing in Rap

[53:05–59:54]

• Praise for Mike WiLL Made-It’s new project and for Big Sean’s impact: his flow has become foundational for hits by Cole, Drake, and others.
  • Rory: “Sean has created the blueprint for a lot of the pockets that have created the rap that we love today.” ([54:09])
• Expand on how artists borrow flows/cadences and how credit is rarely given but is part of hip-hop’s DNA.
  • “It’s sampling, bro. That’s what hip-hop is.” — Mall, [59:47]

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7. Meek Mill on LinkedIn & Brand Building

[59:56–66:27]

• They examine Meek Mill’s new, authentic LinkedIn presence. Jokes fly about his bio, grammar, and authenticity.
• Amusing brainstorms on potential Meek/Mall business ventures—like helmets for dirt bikes (“Make helmets cool again!”).

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8. Pop Culture Quick Hits

• Tyrese’s Social Security Office Story: Tyrese faked disability as a child for benefits—sparks comedic memories of parents coaching kids through the system. ([74:04–76:58])
• Tank vs. Tyrese Upcoming Verzuz: Mall and Rory break down potential rounds, giving Tank the edge if writing/producing credits count. ([77:04])
• Usher & Justin Bieber Gold Party Riff: Discuss “sources” and speculate if the apparent feud was business, personal, or nothing at all. ([82:04–86:49])
• Justin Timberlake’s DWI & Race: React to leaked police video and the reality of celebrity and privilege in the justice system. Rory shares a wild personal story about “beating” a DUI, mixing real talk with comedic storytelling. ([87:10–98:37])
• R.I.P. Chuck Norris: Reflect on the legendary action star’s passing and cultural impact. ([98:46–101:09])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Somebody lying.” (Episode’s phrase) — woven throughout, especially as they challenge narratives from artists/industry folks and even themselves.

• “Rap battles are really gay.”—Rory [44:56]
  Mall: “No, no, but—see, it's not gay. It's not gay...People just make it too emotional.”

• On pop-up life:
  “I just think a flat white would just be a funny, ironic, flat white, because I'm definitely a flat white.” — Rory, [04:18]

• On the reality of daycare costs:
  “Daycare is really kicking my ass right now...to the point that I looked at the Jay Z tickets and...nah, my kid gotta eat.” — Rory, [05:17]

• On debate culture:
  “If you're debating albums...That's always been a part of consuming art and being, you know, in this culture.” — Mall, [48:01]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Pop-up Plug & Parenting: [03:31–06:37]
• Damaris’ Travel Ordeal & "Baby D Challenge": [07:12–14:39]
• J. Cole Interview Deep Dive: [16:10–34:18]
• Artist Accountability & Relationships: [29:02–34:18]
• Hip-Hop Debate & Culture: [45:53–52:23]
• Big Sean’s Influence: [53:05–59:54]
• Meek Mill on LinkedIn: [59:56–66:27]
• Pop Culture Rapid Fire (Tyrese, Verzuz, Usher/Bieber, Timberlake): [74:04–94:10]
• RIP Chuck Norris: [98:46–101:09]

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Tone & Style

True to form, Rory & Mal deliver with unfiltered honesty, sarcasm, and thoughtful hip-hop analysis. The episode balances deep-dive industry insights, playful jabs, irreverent humor, and life updates—a perfect listen for hip-hop heads and culture nerds.

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For fans missing the episode: You’ll walk away with inside views on the current rap landscape, a sense of how real friendships (and real beefs) play out behind the music, plus genuine laughs and quotable lines you’ll want to share.

Transcript

[Mall]

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[Damaris]

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[Rory]

No conductor. Welcome back. Top of the week. Who's excited, man? Ready to tackle me? Tackle the week.

[Mall]

So excited. It's gonna be a great week. Great week, Rory. Gotta set the tone. See Mondays. That's why I love Mondays. You set the tone. Yeah. Set the tone for the week on Mondays.

[Rory]

I feel that. And we actually have an event on Saturday. Yes, we do. It's a good week.

[Mall]

It's a good week. Great week.

[Rory]

Do you wanna plug it? I'm always bad at plugging things.

[Mall]

Oh, listen, let me help you. We're doing a pop up, Rory.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mall]

We're popping up at Cafe Colmata this Saturday here in the city. New York City. We have some merch that we'll be selling at Cafe Comada and we will be having exclusive drinks that we will create.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mall]

For ourselves. I'll have a drink and you'll have a drink that the people in New York City or surrounding areas, if you want to come out, come kick with us for a few hours at Cafe called Mata.

[Rory]

Okay. Do I need to submit my recipe or are they going to handle my drink?

[Mall]

No, you can submit one.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

Yeah, you submit one. Just gotta make it. Don't make it. Nothing too crazy though.

[Rory]

Yeah, I just don't want to run into a.

[Mall]

This is a non alcoholic thing, Rory.

[Rory]

Of course. No, I'm. It's a cafe. No, I'm trying to think of. Of what my. I just think a flat white would just be a funny, ironic, flat white, because I'm definitely a flat white.

[Mall]

A flat white drink.

[Rory]

Yeah. I just don't. I don't want to run into like a curb your enthusiasm moment. Remember when Larry went to the sandwich shop and they named a sandwich after him and it was like three different types of fish and cream cheese and he tried to switch his sandwich. Like, I don't. I didn't prov.

[Mall]

Move. Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

Just give me a turkey sandwich.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, Keep it cute. Let's keep it simple. Yeah, Flat white. Maybe some ginger in there, Something like that.

[Rory]

Okay. Yeah, mix it up. Yeah, I still can't get a babysitter, so it may be maybe the reveal party of Amara.

[Mall]

The reveal party again?

[Rory]

I've already, once already tried to get a babysitter. It's. Everyone is out of town for some reason this weekend.

[Mall]

What's going on this weekend?

[Rory]

I don't know. Just everyone in my family is not available. But really, Amara might be there serving drinks. It's about time she got a job. Because her daycare is really kicking my ass right now.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

To the point that I looked at the Jay Z tickets and. Nah, my kid gotta eat.

[Mall]

J Amara. Amara Jay. Which one?

[Rory]

Listen, I thought about it.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

Sometimes I made the right decision. But don't think that I was about to pull that trigger and be like, I mean, she could do Dino Nuggets for a month.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why not, man? Just throw them in the oven. Keep it simple. Yeah, but check us out this weekend, this Saturday of. What's this, the 28th, right?

[Rory]

28th. Yes.

[Mall]

March 28th. Cafe Comada. 286 Broome street here in New York City. Come check us out. We'll be there. We have merch on sale. Yeah, I mean, have some music, some drinks. Just kick it with the people for a couple hours.

[Rory]

Should we. Should we test. Test out Ryan's skills? On Ryan's resume, he said, I don't know.

[Mall]

Ryan. Ryan played something. What was that he played last week, Pete. He didn't even have a. He didn't even have a hip hop set. He got into like some. Some alternative. He's been working on the hip hop. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. We not gonna be the guinea pigs for the hip hop set. We can'. Oh, my God. See, I'm scared already, man.

[Rory]

Hip hop is to him with Neil Soul is the jack. Yeah, like he just discovered it. Now he's working on his project.

[Mall]

We're not doing that. We not. And it's not because he's from the bay. So it's got to be like Santa Monica is the name of his, like, set.

[Rory]

Like

[Mall]

he's gonna have a set name, Santa Monica.

[Rory]

Ryan's edgy. It could be like Pelican Bay or some like that.

[Mall]

Maybe. Yeah, but we'll see. We'll see what Ryan has for us either.

[Rory]

Either he on DJ Alcatraz.

[Mall]

Yeah, dj. DJ Bay, something like that, you know? What's your DJ name? Ryan? Oh, God, yeah. It's just his name.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

I never trusted DJ where it's just their name.

[Rory]

Yeah, you gotta be. You gotta be DJ Golden Gate or something. Dj, dj. Easy Way Out. Yeah, yeah, that's usually. Was that too dark? I'm sorry. That's a high percentage. That bridge in particular. I don't know why.

[Mall]

Either way, it's gonna be great, man. Cafe comada, this Saturday, March 28th. 286 Broom Street. Come check us out.

[Rory]

Yep. And we back sponsored by Boost. I don't know if you've noticed within the first four minutes. But Maul and I have been batting a thousand in our Damaris predictions, and she's not here.

[Mall]

Y' all don't listen to me enough. Like, this is my problem with everybody in this room. Even though it's only four of us in here, Y' all don't listen to me. I told y' all on last week, I said, there's no way Damaris is coming in here on Monday. Everybody kind of like, nah, she'll be here. Damaris is like, what? No, I'll be here. I'm like, damaris. Nobody leaves Houston the day they say they're gonna leave. It's always something that pushes back. Lo and behold, planes crash, ICE agents are now TSA agents.

[Rory]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mall]

All kind of things going. Anything but Damaris making it here with us today.

[Rory]

And it's. It's. What's quite annoying about the entire thing is condolences to. To the people that passed in the.

[Mall]

Yes.

[Rory]

Accident this morning at LaGuardia. That. That is. Is. Is very, very upsetting that a minor mistake could lead to that. I just feel like Damaris wasn't going to make it anyways and finally found, like, a Teflon excuse that we can't say anything to her.

[Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

Because that did, in fact, happen in the airport. A Newark airport caught on fire or some. It's a mess.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But I think, either way, she wasn't making that flight.

[Mall]

No, she wasn't going to be here.

[Rory]

She saw that cancellation was like. Yeah. After people.

[Mall]

That just added to it. That just added to the cancellation.

[Rory]

Yeah, but, I mean, I wasn't. Her close friends over the weekend, she permanently removed you, right?

[Mall]

No, I was there.

[Rory]

Okay. I'm gonna wait for her to come back, but I think we can implement the Baby D challenge. I'd like to give you guys more details, but it'd be way more fun when Damaris is actually here. If you thought planking was a craze, wait till the Baby D challenge hits the streets. Amara already did it at the playground.

[Mall]

What's the Baby D Challenge? Just laying down. When she was on. Laying down.

[Rory]

Obscure places that you shouldn't be laying down.

[Mall]

Like the Jumpman symbol. Like, she was just spread out like that. I thought she was doing yoga. Yeah. Because it was a yoga mat. She was laying on a yoga mat, I think.

[Rory]

I mean.

[Mall]

And her flip flops were right there. So I'll just. You know, I thought she was doing a little downward dog. You know me.

[Rory]

I. I hear you. I already had. I already had Amara get started on the Baby D challenge, which I. I can't wait to pitch this to her whenever she does finally come back. But, yeah, I had. I had Amara laying on playground equipment in the same way Baby D was. So, yeah, we're gonna pop it.

[Mall]

She could lay down. That's all.

[Rory]

But I mean, should we. Should we call her? I feel like she probably just went to another day party or she's currently

[Mall]

trying to get back to New York.

[Rory]

I don't believe her.

[Mall]

I'm gonna FaceTime or audio.

[Rory]

We'll do audio.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

Because who knows where she is? And I'm sure she's.

[Mall]

But that's why I wanted to face sound like, yo, turn your phone around. Show me that you at the airport.

[Rory]

Let's see if she even answers.

[Damaris]

Hello?

[Rory]

Neo? Yeah, where you at?

[Damaris]

In the airport.

[Rory]

Yeah, but we record today. We record today. Like, we're this recording done.

[Damaris]

I'm sure you do.

[Rory]

So you're at like, LaGuardia. Should we wait?

[Damaris]

LaGuardia. But burn down like. Or whatever.

[Mall]

LaGuardia burning down is crazy.

[Rory]

So that means you're at JFK when you say you're at the airport. So, like, you'll be here like, what, like 45 hour? We can wait.

[Damaris]

Or if you only me the alone. Not right now. For real. My bracket up. I've been in this airport for three hours.

[Mall]

My bracket up.

[Damaris]

I want to go home.

[Mall]

You had Syracuse winning, and they wasn't even in in the tour.

[Damaris]

Who has Syracuse winning? Shut up. You know what? Mall.

[Mall]

Oh, man. How you feeling? Are you all right? You scared?

[Damaris]

I'm scared of what?

[Mall]

I don't know, man. Is it ICE agents at tsa?

[Damaris]

There are, but I. I think I'm American.

[Mall]

Okay. All right. So you one of us. You good?

[Damaris]

No, but they're. They're all over the place, and they ain't playing, too. And anybody who look like they shouldn't be flying, like, they looking around, they doing two jobs at once. Dead ass.

[Mall]

Yes. This is the America I voted for.

[Damaris]

More literally not right now. Like, this is no game. I feel so bad for these people.

[Rory]

Just something about ICE catching an illegal immigrant going through, like, clear. It's funny to me. I shouldn't, like, laugh at that, but just the thought that you could be an illegal alien and also have clear and pre check is funny to me.

[Damaris]

It's insane, bro. I like when that text message came through that my flight got canceled and I was in a strip club. I just took a shower, but it we here now.

[Mall]

We here now.

[Rory]

I'M shocked that because I think you said your flights tomorrow night. I would have just given up. I would have given up and went back to strip club.

[Damaris]

No, because I know we have to. We are supposed to be recording tomorrow.

[Rory]

Oh, we already moved that.

[Damaris]

Where?

[Rory]

To the regular schedule because you're not gonna be here. We were doing that for you.

[Damaris]

I know. I will be here. I'll be here. I land tonight.

[Mall]

Oh, you land tonight. I thought your flight was tomorrow at 6:30.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I moved it because apparently LaGuardia is opening up at 2pm today. I want to go home.

[Rory]

All right, can you tell us? I was in your close friends over the weekend.

[Damaris]

So was P. Jamal. Thank God.

[Mall]

A lot of ass.

[Rory]

Was there a lot of.

[Mall]

A lot of ass. I've seen a lot of ass.

[Rory]

I don't want to be too horny on this pod, but I did see a lot of good. A lot of good areola ratio.

[Mall]

I didn't see that one.

[Rory]

Someone had a see through shirt on and I was like, I would expect a bigger areolas.

[Damaris]

Are you okay?

[Rory]

No. So tell us about burgers and bottles.

[Damaris]

What?

[Rory]

What? Give us a play to play.

[Damaris]

Bottles was amazing. I'm very proud of them. Selling $2,500 in a city that is not yours for a party you've only done once before. Very, very proud of. Of all of us and. And my gang. We had a ball. It was amazing. One off without a hitch. It was fun.

[Rory]

I left early. Are you comfortable with me implementing the baby D challenge to the world?

[Mall]

Oh, shut up.

[Damaris]

Sure, why not?

[Rory]

Are you comfortable with that?

[Damaris]

I'm perfectly fine with it.

[Rory]

Can that be the artwork for this episode of you laying on the roof?

[Mall]

Sure,

[Damaris]

why not? Be fodder for this podcast once again. Sure. Have a ball.

[Rory]

How did you end up on that roof?

[Damaris]

I went up there to talk on the phone and then I got sleepy. So I laid there and no one just. No one woke me up. They just left me there. They took videos, obviously, but they left me there, so.

[Mall]

Okay. Okay.

[Rory]

Yeah. Figured you want to see the sunrise.

[Mall]

I went to the roof to talk on the phone, actually.

[Damaris]

Beautiful. I had a ball. Y' all should have came. Y' all are losers.

[Rory]

No, then we'd all be.

[Mall]

We'd all be trapped. Yeah, I'm cool.

[Damaris]

We could have filmed in Houston. They got podcast studios here. Bunch of that don't shut up.

[Rory]

Well, we wish you the best.

[Damaris]

Oh, thank you. I'm really sad that I can't be at work. I really, really tried hard to get to Work.

[Rory]

I hear you.

[Damaris]

Well, like, I was gonna ask y' all to push recording today, like, for it to be later, but I didn't. I'm like, yeah, they're not gonna come at 8pm podcast, so definitely not, I think it.

[Rory]

But we wish you safe travels, enjoy the airport, and maybe we'll see you next week.

[Damaris]

If you. Hey. If anybody listening, Anybody out there can hear me. If you don't have to fly for a funeral. Actually, a funeral? They dead already. If you don't have to fly for, like, the birth of a baby or something, do not fly, bro. I was in this airport for two and a half hours in line. Did I fly?

[Rory]

Just let people know I like the psa. And before I let you go, I just want to let you know there is no J. Cole protectors in the room today. So do with that information what you will.

[Damaris]

That's crazy. That's crazy.

[Rory]

This could go off the rails because there's nobody here from Dreamville or what are cold stands called.

[Damaris]

Oh, thank you. You're pretty, too. Thank you. Hello.

[Mall]

All right, man, we'll talk to you later. Yo, peace.

[Rory]

I don't buy none of that.

[Mall]

I don't buy that PSA from tsa. I don't. I don't buy it.

[Rory]

She's at the.

[Mall]

She's at the hotel lobby, 100. Yeah. Nobody tells you you're pretty at the airport. Come on. That's somebody that works at the hotel telling you that.

[Rory]

No, she's still at the strip club Houston. They do brunch there? Yeah, on Monday mornings. Come on, man. Some people work out of there. They bring their laptops. It's like Starbucks.

[Mall]

Hey, we told them that she wasn't coming.

[Rory]

Do we start with of course we do?

[Mall]

I'm joking, man. You think I'm turned up? I'm not.

[Rory]

I'm nervous.

[Mall]

I'm chilling. What you nervous for?

[Rory]

I'm just nervous.

[Mall]

Why?

[Rory]

These are just touchy subjects and trying times, and we. And we don't.

[Mall]

This is a touchy subject.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

And we don't have demerit's here to reel things back from someone that is such a J. Cole protector. I feel like I'm a. I'm a J. Cole supporter. I wouldn't call myself a protector. I'm a supporter as well, but I'm a supporter. So am I. I want to start by saying shout out to Nadeska. I know it's not the first time that she's interviewed Cole, but interviewing someone that is now a legend and at Goat Status at this point in their career is like journalism checklist bucket list shit. You got to interview J. Cole after his alleged last album double disc in his childhood home. Amazing. Nadeska, you're smoking this year. Love the Baby Keem interview as well. If Nadeska is not fucking number three on the complex list this year, I don't really know what we're doing with that said. What did you think?

[Mall]

Let me say that. No, listen, listen. Because I respect Cole. Because people, for whatever reason, they feel like I hate Cole. I don't. And I keep saying I don't hate Cole, hate what he did, but I don't hate Cole. But I respect him for sitting down with Nadeska and having a conversation and things like that. I do think that that was a bit safe for him, though, to sit down with Nadeska. I don't think she challenged him a lot on things he was saying. I don't think she pushed back a lot. It was more so. Just a cool calm, which is space for that, too. But I think coming off of everything that happened and this being the first time Cole spoke, I think it would have been better for him to sit down with somebody that was gonna challenge him a little bit more on his responses to things. A lot of the things that he was saying, you know, understood. I don't believe that he had that type of conversation with himself when he was talking from both perspectives of what he was thinking and what he was saying to himself. I don't believe none of that. I think a lot of that was things that he probably just made up on the spot or just made up on the way there.

[Rory]

Really. I didn't.

[Mall]

Yeah, I don't.

[Rory]

I don't believe that that's unfair to just assume that of somebody like.

[Mall]

I'm just saying. I don't believe. I'm telling you.

[Rory]

Cole was like a known fucking liar. I can't hear that.

[Mall]

I'm not saying he's lying. I just think that he had to make something up to make it sound more enticing than what it was like. I think that it was like, okay, well, explain more.

[Rory]

What parts of what he said with that back and forth did you feel like were performative?

[Mall]

I just don't think that, you know, before the apology and all of that, I don't think that he had this big talk back and forth with himself. I just think that he had a conversation with Kendrick and that's, you know, somebody he deems as a friend, and then he just was like, all right, due to Conversation. He probably told Kendrick that he was gonna apologize publicly for what he said in his record. And I think that's it. I don't think that he battled with himself back and forth with emotions and things like that. I don't think it was that deep. I truly don't think it was that deep for him. I mean, it was as simple as

[Rory]

a conversation time between Mike Delete later and Dreamville Fest. I. I can see him going back and forth in that small amount of time, especially after having a conversation with Kendrick, if that is indeed true. Yeah, I can see him pacing in his trailer before Dreamville Fest thinking about that entire thing.

[Mall]

I don't think so.

[Rory]

I mean, he. He said he only spoke to his wife about it, no one else. Yeah, I can see you battling like is am I making the right choice? I. I do believe he went back and forth a lot and probably had some anxiety. The way we joke based off the Drake line, Cole's losing sleep is not me. I believe that he was. I really do believe that he was going back and forth and felt up about it.

[Mall]

Do you think that this interview helps his perception or hurts it?

[Rory]

Neither. And I.

[Mall]

Neither.

[Rory]

I also, yeah, I don't think it does good or bad in this situation where I'm gonna give you pushback is where I. You're saying Nadeska didn't give pushback? I may agree with you if we now know that Cole isn't doing the Cam' Ron interview. And while we're recording this, it has not come out yet. Only clips have. But we know Tuesday night, 10pm there will be a Cam' Ron and J. Cole interview. And we've already seen clips where Cam was maybe asking some of the questions that we wanted to hear. As in regards to the beef, I don't think going into Nadeska was safe. I just think from an artist perspective, you just put out a double disc and I'd rather go sit with a journalist that's gonna ask me questions about the music and the album first, myself included. Halfway through it, I had that on my brain too of like, when are we going to get to all the shit we want to know about the battle? But to me that's super unfair to have an artist want to go and do an interview right away. That's going to be about some of the more messy stuff after you just put out fucking 30 records. Like including your. Your mixtape.

[Mall]

But even today, I think a lot.

[Rory]

I certainly think they did. As far as the journey of it, I think. I think Nadeska asked the right questions for what the music was and what the purpose of that interview was. I wouldn't put her in the Zayn category, where you're just calling someone a genius their entire interview. I think she asked poignant questions that J. Cole fans want to hear. And I think that's missing now within journalism media, not just hip hop, because, duh. Go to political news, it's even worse. I think, for the music fans, people wanted to hear Cole's process of that project. I think we're owed that as music nerds. Now, if he didn't do the Cam shit, I'd probably have some of the more sentimental view that would say, don't act like we don't need answers as fans about that other shit. I think he's doing the balance. Let me talk about my album with Nadeska in a safe place, and let me go do the bullshit with Cam. And I mean bullshit in a good way. That one's a real music journalist. One is an incredible media personality and a legendary rapper. I'll go talk about the battle stuff with him. Cam's funny. Cam's messy. That'll be the place where everyone can't say, yo, this is safe, because Cam's never gonna be safe.

[Mall]

Well, that's why I was speaking just to the desk interview. That. That was safe. That choice was safe. Now, obviously, we haven't heard the Cam interview yet, and, you know, it's safe to assume that Cam may ask more questions from a rapper's perspective and from a battle perspective. Cam being somebody that has battled and been in battles himself. So we may get a little more details and in depth there. But, yeah, I mean, you know, I think that Cole, you know, obviously, to me, I do feel like, you know, things that he was saying in the desk interview, I do feel like it was a lot of things that he had to kind of just create because he had to make it more interesting. I don't think that there was much thought about anything. Like I said, I think he had a conversation with Kendrick, and I think they had said whatever they said. And he came out of that saying, well, yeah, I'm gonna go on stage and apologize, and there's not gonna be no more shots from my side coming at you and things like, I think it was really that simple. I don't think it was this, you know, pacing back and forth with emotions and this. That. I don't think it was that deep. I think. Cause again, he responded with Mike Delete.

[Rory]

Later on 7 Minute Drill, which, sorry to Interrupt you? I just wanna make sure Cole fans, can you please give Maul his flowers? Cause everything y' all killed him for. Cole admitted in about having to change the entire project. He said my delete later was already slated for when it was going to come out. They just added seven minute drill. It was supposed to come out with Dream Build Fest. And then eight weeks later, we were putting out the fall off, and you came in here and said, I think he has to redo the whole album now. And that's exactly what Cole said. He said it was slated to go eight weeks later. I had to redo it.

[Mall]

But I don't know how people even thought that. That wasn't like you, anybody, any artist that was in that moment, Kendrick, Drake and Cole, anything that they had planned, musically, of course it has to change after that. Like, everything changes after that moment. So, you know, people killing me. It's like, again, people react off, you know, their emotions and their support of the artist that they love, which is cool. I support Cole. I just don't react emotionally when it comes to certain things that I think are common sense. Like, yes, he would have to make changes to his schedule, to his plans, to his music. Coming off of that moment, I thought that that was obvious. But again, you know, if I say something. Shut the fuck up, Maul. You don't know what you're talking about. Cool, I'll shut the fuck up. But then when the artist himself says that, that's what happened. Don't give me no flowers. I don't want no flowers. Y' all just know that I'm correct in what I was saying. Yes, Cole had to adjust and he had to pivot. He had to call it audible musically because everything in that moment changed. Songs that he had with certain artists, he, of course, knew. Now he no longer has those records.

[Rory]

Well, it wasn't even a double disc.

[Mall]

No, no. But it was songs that he had, you know, with Kendrick, with Drake, that obviously he wouldn't have. He wouldn't get cleared for the album. So now things. You have to fill those moments, fill those gaps that are now there that you thought were filled. So, yes, you have to make changes. But, I mean, I'm just. You know, it's cool to see Cole, you know, sitting down and just talking and kicking it. And again, I know, you know, a lot happened in 2024. You know, things were said and, you know, somehow the Internet turned it into this malls J. Cole hater. And this stuff. I don't hate J. Cole. I don't know J. Cole to hate him. I just hate the way he handled a rap battle, that's all.

[Rory]

Yeah. And I mean, I think you should go back to the interview because, I mean, the Deska is an actual journalist. She's not like a Neanderthal with a microphone like me. Like, she did an actual proper interview that people used to do with artists when we were looking for music questions and where you're at in your life questions instead of the gospel shit. So, again, I think she did an incredible job with it, the same way she did with the Keem interview. I. I'm excited to see the Cam interview. I mean, same there. There's one clip out where Cam asked the question we. We all wanted to know, like, what's your relationship with him? Which Nadeska did ask, by the way, but Cole kind of. I didn't say tiptoed around it. He just didn't give a full answer the way he did with Cam in this clip where he said, you know, they spoke around that time, but haven't since, and he would love to text them.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

And again, him, you know, Cam asking him where's his relationship with Kendrick and Drake today? You know, and basically this is. We just talking from the clip. We haven't. We were recording this on Monday. The episode with him and Cam doesn't come out until Tuesday. But I hope he really gives. Gets more in depth with that, though, because I said it a couple. Couple weeks ago, a couple months ago, whatever, that. I feel like he has to address why he hasn't spoken to Drake since all of that happened. And people were like, oh, maul you too invested. And they told. Oh, y' all still talking about the battle? Well, the people that was in the battle was still talking about the battle. So, you know, this is what. People kill us for talking about this. But the people involved. Well, and obviously, well, Cole, he's still talking about. This is his first time speaking about it. So, yes, we have to speak about it. But that is something that I feel like, like, how you said about the music and us hearing about that process. I do feel like as fans of all of these guys and, you know, consumers of hip hop and then consuming the. Of one of the biggest battles ever. I do feel like we need to know why Cole has not spoke to Drake. He said in this clip he be wanting to text and all of that. So then why not do that? Like, I don't even understand that. Like, that's like when somebody know they did something fucked up to you and then they know how you feel a type of way. And then they be like, damn, I want to holla at him. But, okay, so then holla at him.

[Rory]

So just because I know how the timeline works, and people don't actually listen to words. They just react to their own thoughts and how they interpret things. It was kind of. It was vague. When Cole says we've spoken after everything, but it. It's not been much communication. Is he talking about.

[Mall]

Cole has not spoken to Drake since Not like us came. Since before not like us came out.

[Rory]

Okay. Cause he's saying in this clip, I wasn't sure if he was saying after the Dreamville Fest incident or after the battle when he said he's spoken to both of them, but it hasn't been.

[Mall]

I don't. You're asking me. I'm only answering from. I'm only answering from what I know. Right?

[Rory]

I don't know a thing. I know how the Internet works. I want it to be extremely clear.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

Cole said in this Cameron clip, he is saying that they spoke. I don't know what after everything means. I don't know if it means Dream Bill Fest. I don't even like that. I don't know if it means after not like us. I don't know what that means.

[Mall]

Okay, so let me tell you from what I know, okay? Cole has not spoken to Drake since before Dreamfest.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

From what I know.

[Rory]

From what you know. Gotcha.

[Mall]

Right? That's all I'm saying. From what I know, he has not spoken to him. Now, whether he shot a text after that and the text went unresponded.

[Rory]

Got you.

[Mall]

I don't know about that. I know he hasn't spoken to Drake since before he apologized.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Which Drake was slated to go to Dreamfest and perform things like that. Fresh off a tour, first person shooter was number one. This, that, and the third, Obviously, we can't perform that record anymore.

[Rory]

It's gonna be a moment. Yeah.

[Mall]

But we can't perform the record. You know what I'm saying? Because it's like, what is going on? Like you saying big three in the record and this, that, and the third, you naming him in the record. So things. Obviously, things change. But my thing is cool, you know that Drake feels away. Right. You know, Kendrick feels away. You spoke to Kendrick? But why not? And I don't know if he spoke to Kendrick. I mean, he has. He's been in studios with TDE affiliates and things, like, since post beef, so I don't know if he's. I don't know about that side, I'm speaking to his not speaking to Drake. And again, I just feel like. And we haven't seen this interview, and maybe he gets more in depth, aside from this clip that we saw. I just feel like we need to really know. Why haven't you spoken to. Cause if I do something like that, Rory, I'm gonna make it my business to get in front of you and have a conversation, because we have a real relationship. And if I do something like that and I handle something where I know that you look slighted or you feel away and I shoot you a text and you not responding, I'm gonna do whatever I need to do to make sure that me and you are in the same room and we have a conversation.

[Rory]

Yeah. Which, I mean, maybe speaks to the rumor that future flew to go meet with Drake so they could solve their differences with everything that was going on. I hear you on that, but I mean, even what Cole was saying in this. And again, we're just speculating because it's a. Yeah.

[Mall]

We didn't see the interview.

[Rory]

We didn't see the interview. Way more content.

[Mall]

We could get way more in depth. Yeah, we don't know.

[Rory]

I mean, he is saying that, like, I do feel him to some degree, like, he made a decision for himself that he said in the desk interview he feels even better about today. It brought more peace to his life. Unfortunately, that may have slighted one of his. His friend may feel away, but he's saying, like, he doesn't know. I see that perspective of, like, I don't want to overstep. Like, you're not fucking with me. I don't want to be blowing your phone up of, like, nah. Like, is this. Doing this is an overkill? I hear you. I do what you say. But I can definitely see the perspective of, like, I don't really know where I stand with you anymore, and I don't want to, like, make it worse by trying to overly communicate with you at this regard.

[Mall]

Like, I mean, I get that. But again, even in that.

[Damaris]

Right?

[Mall]

And again, we don't. We don't. We didn't see the whole interview. So he may very well end up doing that, getting into debt. But, you know, even in that moment, say, like, yo, listen, man, you know, I reached out. He hasn't responded. You know what I mean? Like, I would love to have a conversation with him. He says I be wanting to shoot off a text, but he also said

[Rory]

they've spoken after everything. Whatever that means. The direct quote. Like, we've spoken after everything.

[Mall]

Okay, again, from what I know.

[Rory]

I know. I'm just. I'm just.

[Mall]

From what I know, you know, conversations that I've had with certain people that, you know, are existing in the world with us.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mall]

They have.

[Rory]

Not existing in the world with.

[Mall]

Yeah, so certain people that I. Certain people that I've had conversations that are existing in the world with us that may know a thing or two

[Rory]

about this music thing spinning on this rock.

[Mall]

Yeah. I mean, you know, no, there hasn't been no communication. There hasn't been no conversation. And, you know, and I think I kind of understand. I think that that's one of those things where, you know, you did something fucked up and wrong to your friend. And obviously, which is the obvious thing, to me, Cole is non confrontational. So sometimes you have to be confrontational with your friends. When you do something fucked up, you have to face that confrontation. You have to face. Face that phone call of your friend saying, yo, that's fucked up, bro. You did me dirty da da, da, da, da, whatever it is like. And Cole is non confrontational. We know that about J. Cole now. He's a non confrontational guy, and there's nothing wrong with that. I don't want that to come off like a slight to J. Cole. I'm non confrontational. It's things that I avoid and things like that. So I understand that. I wouldn't avoid no rap battle if I had J. Cole's skill. If I had his skill set. I'm not avoiding the rap battle. I want it with everybody. But I can understand that being his real demeanor of him just being a non confrontational guy. But when you do things to your friends that, you know, hurt your friends or make your friends kind of feel slighted, you gotta face that confrontation, bro. You gotta do what you gotta do to be like, yo, bro, I fucked up. You know, let's talk, let's kick it, you know, whatever. However you gotta go about, you know, mending that relationship with your friends, with your brothers or whatever, you gotta. You gotta do that. And, you know, I get it. I get the non confrontational part, but you gotta put that shit aside, boy. And face. And face the. Face the fire. And that's what I feel like Cole has been avoiding. I feel like, you know, he know he fucked up and it's just like, all right, he ain't fucking with me. Fuck it. Let me just continue to make music and let me continue to just live my life and maybe one day we'll, you know, fix it, and things like that. But Then you look up and a year, two years pass and it's like, damn, you went two years without speaking to your friend. And it's like over something that you know was really just a moment. Like it's not even something that was a lifelong thing. Like it was just a moment. You handled it in a way that your friend probably feel like, damn, bro, you kind of just, all right, but fix the situation.

[Rory]

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[Rory]

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[Rory]

Visit Wells Fargo.com autographjourney Terms apply. I guess I'd like to hear Drake's perspective on why he specifically feels away about that entire thing. Because I can't find a reason why Kendrick and Cole wouldn't speak. Like, he apologized for dissing him back, which, whatever. But I couldn't see why Kendrick would have any issue with Cole to not just be friends again.

[Mall]

Like, all right, let's take this off. Let's take this off. Let's take this off with Cole and Kendrick. Me and you in this situation, right? Somebody that we cool with says something, right? It's a little. We going back and forth, right? You call me, we on the phone for a couple hours, kicking it, okay? And I say, oh, yeah, I just spoke to him last night. I was on the phone with him for three hours.

[Rory]

Okay?

[Mall]

I just throw that in the conversation. Nah, Rory, I just spoke to him last night. We was on the phone for a couple hours. You like, what the fuck? Like, when was you gonna tell me that? And then I said, yo, yo, Rory, let me hit you right back. I gotta. I'm about to put. I'm about to put my son to bed. I'm gonna call you right back, and then we never speak again.

[Rory]

Okay? I hate to bring them back into it, but is it at the time of. Is the matter of people talking shit like the. Like that verse where it's not that serious? Like, this is just a rap? Like, was it just banter? Because then I feel like before and I feel Like, I can speak to both people.

[Mall]

This is before. Not like us.

[Rory]

No, I'm saying I said, is it the like that verse time?

[Mall]

Yeah, like, that was the.

[Rory]

Came out. But I'm just trying to say like that to me. I wouldn't feel away if you were talking to somebody when it was just like a, A, A verse of this

[Mall]

is before Big Three is just before Dream Fest.

[Rory]

I wouldn't feel away if somebody had said something about us and you were still talking to them, but it was at the level of just that. I. I wouldn't care that much now if it got serious. Way more serious.

[Mall]

Yeah. No, no, no. You missed what I'm saying.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

Yo, I spoke to them. I spoke to him last night. Yeah, where. What y' all talked about? You don't really say much. And then you get off the phone saying, yo, I gotta put Amar in the tub. Let me call you back. And then you never call me back.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

I don't have a right to look at you like, what the fuck? You understand what I'm saying? Like, to me, I don't. Yo, yo, yo, Mar. Let me put Amara in the tub. Let me put her down. I'm gonna call you as soon as I put her to sleep.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

And then I never hear from you again.

[Rory]

And then I get on a podcast apologizing to the other person and then don't. Yeah, no, I can see.

[Mall]

And then you go onto your pod and say, yo, I apologize, and I don't have a right to feel like, what the. Like, I thought that was my, My brother.

[Rory]

I would only feel a way. If you want to go make a choice for you at your, your big age.

[Mall]

Cool.

[Rory]

But we would also need to speak.

[Mall]

That's all I'm saying.

[Rory]

Thank you.

[Mall]

That's.

[Rory]

But according to Cole, that's that he tried. So who knows what you're trying. I don't. You know, I'm not there.

[Mall]

You know, you've. Because you've been in a situation with somebody when you, when you see somebody, like, yo, I was just trying to call you. What does. I was just trying to call you. You mean, how do you try to call somebody? Either you press call or you didn't. There is no. I tried to call you. Y' all was just trying to call you. What do you mean you was just trying to call me? Like, that's what people do again. And I understand now it makes more sense because he's non confrontational, and I understand that, and I'm not mad at that, but you gotta face that fire, bro, or you just gonna not ever be cool with him again. Which is crazy to me. Which is crazy. Cause it's like, bro, just say you was wrong in the way you handled it. It. Yo, I apologize. I was wrong. I shouldn't. I shouldn't handle it like that. I handled that completely wrong. There's nothing wrong with that. But when you move and act like, you know, like, yo, listen, man, you know, that had nothing to do with me. I kind of just moved out the way and, you know, and. And I still love those guys. That's not enough to me, bro. That's not. It's just not. It's not the history. It doesn't. It doesn't speak to the history that you have with both of them. But really with Drake.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

And then, like I said, coming off of the success of everything that y' all was just doing, having your first number one and going on the road and having all of these moments that we were talking about on stage, you know, like, it was like, damn, that was dope to see both of them. And then all of a sudden, two months later, y' all never speak again after that. I think that's a little crazy, man. To me, I just think that. And again, you know, I know people feel like, yo, Drake is your boy, so you riding for cool. I understand that. But just use yourself. Put yourself in that position with one of your friends, one of your homies, and think, how would you feel about that? I think anybod has directed, like, that was fucked up.

[Rory]

As we say in Kappa Alpha Soft fraternity incorporated, brotherhood is a two way street. Drake's allowed to feel away. But also, you can't be mad at somebody if they tried to reach out or text you and you didn't reply. You have every right to do that. But you can't be mad that maybe they didn't take triple extra effort to keep texting you, because if they didn't reply, sometimes I get the message, like, if it's not off one text, I'm not gonna beat this into the ground because maybe I did fuck up. And if you're not replying, I'll give you the time. You can reply when. When you feel comfortable. Because I'm not about to force you to have a conversation if you don't want to fuck with me.

[Mall]

Very true.

[Rory]

So it's a two way street in that regard. But in closing, I think the overall theme here is that, like, when you think about it, rap battles are really gay. This is gay.

[Mall]

No, no, but. No, no, See, it's not gay. It's not gay. Rap battles. Rap battles aren't gay because rap is a competitive thing. It's a competitive art form. So it's not gay. It's that people turn it to make it too emotional.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

And I think that's what Cole did. He put. He put way too much thought in the. It was just a rap battle, bro. And I said. When.

[Rory]

I said, it's gonna happen now, it wasn't just rap.

[Mall]

Nah, nah, no, no. That's something totally different. I'm saying that it was just. It was just a rap battle. They. He turned it into the emotional thing. I can't sleep. And it's that and the third. And that's when I was like, yo, what is this? That's when it starts to feel a little like, yo, come on, bro. We putting way too much. Much emotion into what could have just been an entertaining battle between some of the best rappers that we ever had.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

That's all.

[Rory]

And I promise we'll start to get off this. There's one note from the Nadeska interview that I do want to kind of go back to. The new generation has tried to change the rules on a lot of shit. My favorite Styles P quote is coming off the shop conversation with Drake and bron about the 40 situation.

[Mall]

And.

[Rory]

And Styles was like, drake is a great mc, but you can't come here and change the rules at this point. Like, if you want to get in the mud, you got to stay in the mud. You can't come in here and say what's okay and what's not okay. These rules have existed well before all of us. You don't get to do that. I kind of felt that way with Cole, talking about people debating rap to some degree. He was saying, like, yo, sports does it as well. Like, to big up LeBron, I have to shit on Jordan, or vice versa. I have to steal the joy of watching one of the best basketball players. If I start having LeBron and Jordan shit where I. I. All right, I feel you on a logical level, but that's. This sport is an art is to be debated. Like, that's never gonna. You can't come here now. You can feel away. You're an artist. You're a human, right? Erykah Badu. I'm an artist. I'm sensitive about my shit. I get it. But I don't view. Maybe I view that way with the stands on the Internet as far as debates go, but healthy rap debates have existed since its inception, and it's not tearing someone else down. If you want to say reasonable doubt is better than illmatic or vice versa. Not tearing that. I love illmatic love. Like, I thought that was odd when he was saying that. And I've heard other artists say this in interviews, and it bothers me because y' all do the same thing. Y' all shit on podcasters, media people, everyone that is having debates about your music. I've been in the studio with a lot of y'.

[Daniel Cormier]

All.

[Rory]

I've been around. Everyone at Dreamville love those guys. We have healthy rap debates where we do the same thing. Cole is saying.

[Mall]

It's part of it. It's part of the culture.

[Rory]

The amount of people I've seen artists in interviews say how much they hate this critiquing world. And the time I'm like, bro, I've been in studio with you. Yeah, you've said way worse than I've ever said on the mic. Like, if you think Cole has not had worse conversations. Conversations than we've had on this.

[Mall]

Oh, come on.

[Rory]

But you debate the same way we do.

[Mall]

Listen, man. And. But that's because you love this. That's always been a part of this culture, though, is debating. You hear something, how you felt about. Yo, you like that? Yeah. I say something like, nah, he ain't with it. That's always been a thing. It was Michael Jackson, Prince growing up. You know what I'm saying? It was like that. That was the. That was. That's always been a part of consuming art and being, you know, in this culture of hip hop and just music. It was always like, who you feel is better, who you. Who you. Who do you like more? Whose album was better? Who. Who had the better song, who's a better performer, you know, like, who's. Who's more stylish, who's fly, who's cooler? That's always been a part of it. Like, so we can't. Now that, you know, you're in this moment and it's your turn to be, you know, you're the main character now to be debating and saying, like, oh, I hate when people do that. Like, why do we have to. We not tearing? No, if it's a battle, it's a battle. People are gonna pick their favorites. People are gonna pick who they feel like, you know, they want to win, they want a champion and root for, and that's it. But once that moment is over, we all move on. We move forward, the culture keeps moving forward, and then in a couple years, we'll have another moment with whoever they deem are the best are gonna collide and have to show their skill set. Like it goes, it keeps. This is not the first or last battle in hip hop. Now. Now, it was a very unique moment because of the caliber of the artist that we're talking about. So it was a very unique moment and probably one of the biggest moments, if not the biggest moment when it comes to battle in hip hop that we've had. But this isn't the first battle of.

[Rory]

He was saying, just in general, too, of like, not even battle related. Like, just if we're arguing albums or arguing music. And I mean, like, to Mike Prince thing. Like, if I say, well, all right, Mike didn't engineer all those albums. Prince engineered Purple Rain. I'm not. I'm not taking away from Michael Jackson.

[Mall]

No, you just naming facts and points to support your argument in the debate.

[Rory]

It doesn't make Thriller any different.

[Mall]

Yeah, like, it does. It doesn't take away from anybody. It's like, nah. But, you know, Prince taught himself how to play every instrument. You know what I'm saying? It's like, okay, that's a fact. Throw that in the hat. Let's talk about that. Yeah, but Prince don't dance like Mike. You know what I'm saying? So it's all. And furthermore, Rory, hip hop itself was built upon that energy of battling. I'm gonna bring my DJ to your park and I'm gonna have my mc da da da. He's from my block. We gonna see who got the better. That's always been a part of it. Like, so that's why I really didn't understand, you know, J. Cole not wanting to be in that moment because he's such a hip hop head. I would think that he would understand, like, yes, this is something that's gonna happen in this culture. The titans have to clash. They say he's the best. I'm gonna go see.

[Rory]

But I think in the Jessica interview, he had some. He was humble in understanding why people had the quote, unquote outrage that they did have. He was understanding in that regard.

[Mall]

He has to understand he's from the culture.

[Rory]

But even in that, there's a flip side to that coin. Cause I kind of see what he's saying. If he's talking specifically about how toxic the Internet music timeline has become post this battle. Cause I agree, yes. With the guys that were never even music fans until this battle. They're just Drake fans or they're just Kendrick fans. Yes. They're tearing down somebody's Credibility, livelihood, character to. To try to win a debate. I feel him. If he. If that's who he's talking about. But to say that we can't debate hip hop because we're tearing someone out and the thief of joy and everything they brought up, that's where I disagree. I do agree. If he's talking about the Internet now, because y' all are weirdos. And I think the J. Cole out of the big three, The J. Cole stands, are probably the least toxic. But if you go through the stands of the big three. Yeah. All they do is tear down the other person. In regards to a debate. Like, we're not even talking about music at this point now. Now you're trying to figure out, like, whose family structure is set up this way. And now we're getting to a very, very disruptive place, if that's what you're focused on. So I hear them there, but that's. That's a small majority, though. As much as I hate that part of Twitter.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

It's like the 0.01% of music fans.

[Mall]

Right?

[Rory]

That's just your algorithm for the day, dog. Like, the rest of us are here having healthy debates, not tearing down. I argue Jay Z, Nas all the time. I don't tear down either of them when I bring up points. That's. I just thought it was an.

[Mall]

I thought of it, man.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

But I am. I. I do want to see his conversation with Cam. I'm looking forward to that. You know, hopefully he goes more into depth about. Because obviously, you know, Cam being a rapper. Hope he goes more into depth about the rap, the rapping perspective of the whole thing. Like, that's what I want to hear Cole speak to. I want to hear more about that. So. Looking forward to hearing his conversation. Talk with Flea.

[Rory]

Yeah, for sure. I'm excited for that. And sorry. Before we get off, J. Cole. Salute to Mike. Will made it. Reset is out now. Two listens. I think it's incredible. Obviously, Cole is on that project, and I am here to give Big Sean his flowers.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

Cole stands. Everyone calm the down. I think Cole got off, then Cole went crazy. I really like the record. It's one of those that you can ride in the car. I'll probably put that on the first thing when I get in the car to leave here. Love the record. I. Out of the Big three. All three of them have borrowed Big Sean flows a couple times in their careers, even if it was to diss them when Kendrick did it. Drake has admitted he has before, which I thought Was. Was honorable to be like, yeah, no, I. I took that flow. But to say specifically with hits, too, even though I know this record, on Mike Will's album, Cole was just spitting. He wasn't trying to make a. A record. But anytime rappers, Kanye included, try to make a hit in this era, they borrow a Big Sean flow. Like, Sean's flows, if you go through his entire career, are coded in so many hit records. I. I can find it in problems. I can find it in so many records. And I don't think there's anything wrong with Cole using the flow that he used on this Mike Will record, but that is a Big Sean flow. Like, I was actually. It was so obvious. I was waiting for Cole because the guy that he is to shout out Big Sean while he was rapping that way. Sean has created the blueprint for a lot of the pockets that have created the rap that we love today. Like, Sean does not get enough credit for his tone, his cadence, how he finds even the shit we fucking clown. Yeah, like, even the rap. Like Big Sean Twitter trend, that. It was all funny. But don't act like that hasn't gotten us here. Nikki has flows that are coded in Big Sean. Like, everyone that we love has borrowed from Big Sean. And I don't think it. I don't think there's anything wrong with that whatsoever. Everyone borrows from everybody. Sean's borrowed from people as well. But the fact that that has not been more on the forefront and so obvious to people was kind of beyond me. Like, Sean is one of them.

[Mall]

I mean, that's something that's always happened, though. People have always borrowed flows and styles from. You know, that's. To me, that's the ultimate compliment for an artist. Like, when you have, like, an artist to come alongs and. And borrow my flow or my style on something, it's letting you know, like, okay, I made. I bought a sound. I bought an energy, a cadence to rap that another artist thought was cool and dope. And they kind of bought. Jay borrowed. I don't know if Young Chris. He borrowed. Who?

[Rory]

Young Chris.

[Mall]

No, he borrowed. He borrowed. Pac's flowing ain't no nigga. Oh, for sure that's Pac. That's his flow. That's his cadence. Fresh to death for Moschino. No bag got you on tighter than Versace. New Rod. That's Pac. Like, a lot of people don't never notice that, but, you know, and even in that moment, that was special because Pac dissed Jay, and then Jay said, yo, I don't hate on those to hate on me. I got Pac on, like, he was very clear in that. Like, I ain't got no. You know what I'm saying? Like, no issue with that. Borrowed his flow. Yeah, but that's something I think everybody, you know, dope MC should kind of look for. Like, if I'm dope enough to be where people want to borrow my flow and kind of like I inspired them to. To. To kind of write and rap a certain way, I think that that's dope. I don't think it's no knock to now. It is fucked up when you don't give that artist credit and be like, yo, nah, I got that flow from.

[Rory]

But sometimes I don't even think it's. It's. It's the artist's responsibility because I. I think borrowing flows is. Is fine. Like, I don't think it's a.

[Mall]

No, me too.

[Rory]

Like, I think this Cole record with Michael is. Is amazing. And I don't think. I don't think he should have tweeted out, like, I Bo Sample.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I just want to give Sean his flowers, like, in that regard, because so many people have done that with records and. And maybe if you're not. If you're a casual fan, it may not be something that's so obvious to you, which is totally fine. I'm a. A loser nerd that obsesses over this stuff, but I think Sean should get those flowers. And not to say that mine would mean anything, but in the nerd community, I think we owe Sean, like, at least some props of the amount of flows that he has given to the world that have created hit records, great bside records. Like, Sean is him when it comes to that. You can laugh at some of his. His rhymes, but duh, everyone inspired it. Like, Ludacris is up there too. I think some people would even say some of Sean's shit with the pop up balloons, like, some of that maybe came from Luda as well. Luda and Sean both have given us flows that I don't think people realize it came from.

[Mall]

I say it all the time. I mean, you listen to Meek. I mean, how you should definitely turn after you finish listening to Meek. You should go listen to Ace Hood. Yeah, I think that that's one of the clear ones that we never really spoke about and really gave credit to. Like, Ace Hood. Like, the way he inspired.

[Rory]

Like, you think that's more production or flow? Cause, like, in Meek's defense, he was given, like, even when he had the dirty braids before Ace Hood really hit with Khaled. Like he was rapping in his version of Philly Flow.

[Mall]

No, I'm not saying he wasn't. But if you listen to Ace Hood and you listen to Meek and you tell me you can't hear Bugatti very

[Rory]

much, could be a Meek Mill hit and no one would even.

[Mall]

This is okay. You get what I'm saying?

[Rory]

I'm with you.

[Mall]

Yeah. So, I mean, and now, whether that

[Rory]

was the first one to be able to rap that way, to make a hit that way, the way. Yeah, I hear what you're saying.

[Mall]

But the crazy thing is, I think that sometimes artists don't even notice it. Because if you hear Hustle Hard and Bugatti and all of that as a. As you know as that. To me, that cadence and that sticks in your mind when you're creating. You don't even know that your brain is borrowing from that because you like that cadence and that flow so much that now you've adopted it when you write and you be like, oh, shit, I didn't even realize. But then when we get the record and you hit a record you like, that's like you said, Bugatti could have been a Meek song. Hustle Hard and all that. So it's, you know, whether it's intentional or not. I'm just saying, when you have things that we listen to and that we hear, sometimes it's so embedded in our brain and a part of our DNA that we don't even realize that we're pulling from that and borrowing from that because we've heard it so much. Like, sometimes you hear a song when you're out moving around, you'll start humming that song the rest of the day.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

And you don't even realize, like, oh, shit, like, I heard that song six hours ago. Why am I singing this song all of a sudden?

[Rory]

I mean, shit, even to get. Sorry, Peach. To get super nerdy. I can always tell when Peach likes the conversation and doesn't do even more nerdy. Even if Meek never even felt like he was inspired by Ace Hood, it trained the consumer's ear for records like that to be hits. It made it palatable.

[Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

Meek could come with a record that wouldn't be a traditional hit and can rap that way. And the. The audience is already accustomed to somebody doing it that way. So, yeah, I definitely hear you. You on that. That for sure. I mean, listen, you already know how I feel about it.

[Mall]

It's sampling, bro. That's what hip hop is. Rap is built on Sampling. It's all. It's all. Let's all call it sampling. That's all we're doing. We're sampling.

[Rory]

Fair enough.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Which is a perfect segue. Are you connected with Meek on LinkedIn yet? No, I'm. My request is still pending. We're still. I'm still in the queue.

[Mall]

Mika's on LinkedIn. Like, that's really him.

[Rory]

He announced it over the weekend. Yeah, you don't pay attention to the greatest tweeter of all time. I had push notifications.

[Mall]

I had no idea. Meek was. Was. Was announced that he's on LinkedIn. Had no idea.

[Rory]

Yeah, man, they've been killing him. This is.

[Mall]

This is his bio right here.

[Rory]

Would you like to read it out loud?

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

Meek, Robert Williams.

[Mall]

Robert Williams, Mill. He, him or his. His. His pronouns progressive. Looking to build out and make business connections. That's aligned with Meek Mill, Dream chasers and Bike Life Brand. Also connect more about criminal justice reform. I'm also nice at creating tech ideas. Meek, Millie.

[Rory]

I don't know if this is real, by the way. I think Ryan pulled up some, but that's really his bio on. On LinkedIn.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You can confirm that. That's. Yeah, it's verified too.

[Mall]

That is.

[Daniel Cormier]

Okay.

[Rory]

These are all the posts that were on the thing. Type it on LinkedIn the way you type on Instagram. Like the spaces between Anne and Bike Life.

[Mall]

Mika's with us. This is. This is him just with us.

[Rory]

I. I've gotten to that point where we've argued on this spot. I think Meek is with all of us. Yeah, but Damaris includes, like. Nah, he mean that.

[Mall]

Nah, I think Mika's with us. He don't mean this. This is just. This is his latest.

[Rory]

We're supposed to get a. It was it 100 albums from him last year and we didn't get one.

[Mall]

Oh, you know, things kind of slowed up. The press implants and all of that things. He's trying to get vinyls.

[Rory]

Hey, man, I'm not here to kill Meek the way y' all were the entire weekend, but let me go on LinkedIn and make some connections.

[Mall]

Oh, people was killing him for that.

[Rory]

Well, what do you.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

Like he said, it's Meek millia on his LinkedIn profile. That's who it is.

[Mall]

It's Meek Millie, in case you didn't understand who it was. That's who he is.

[Rory]

Okay. But Meek does a lot of stuff with criminal reform and all that. Like, it could be a good place to network. And he was saying, like, yo, we all Caught up on TikTok and. And IG. Like, LinkedIn's a positive place. And.

[Mall]

Yeah, you're.

[Rory]

You don't know who could just stumble upon Meek's profile and see. See some potential? No, y' all are haters, man.

[Mall]

Yeah, man, let me get. Let me get to that bag, man. Let me make his connections, man. Starting my LinkedIn journey as an artist, I have dedicated much of my time to honing my creatives. All right, who on Meekamp wrote this?

[Rory]

Cause it doesn't match his bio.

[Mall]

Yeah, that nigga's not honing. He don't write. Honing my creative skills. Now I am ready to transition into the business world. Now you're ready to transition into the business world. Okay. And showcase my true potential. For too long, others have spoken on my behalf, but now I'm taking the reins. Meek, somebody is still speaking on your behalf. Now I'm taking the reins and speaking for myself, supported by a strong team. This is somebody on your team. Okay. Okay. Recently, I showcased Dreams and Nightmares in Philadelphia. I'll be posting more content and business ideas to demonstrate the strength of the brand and my thought process. All right, listen, man. Meek trying to get his business in order.

[Rory]

I'm not mad at it on the independent management side. I mean, Left Rock, who was probably speaking for him. Now listen, man, you gotta back to the basics.

[Mall]

Yeah, I like it.

[Rory]

Start. Start a LinkedIn profile. But I just, like, I wish Meek would just go on live and just start reading, like, his LinkedIn messages. I just got to see who reaching

[Mall]

out, who's trying to connect with him. Yeah, that might be. That might be something he need to stream. He need to stream. Doing that.

[Rory]

Are you on LinkedIn?

[Mall]

No. Oh.

[Rory]

I mean, you should start your journey with.

[Mall]

With Meek. Yeah. Meek and Male.

[Rory]

Go to his bio again. So it's bike life.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Dream chasers. Meek. Millie.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And Megan.

[Lenovo Ad Voice]

Mole.

[Mall]

Meek and Mole.

[Rory]

Laura could get that LLC moving tonight.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

If you want to.

[Mall]

Yeah, me. Can I invest? I might have to hit me up and, like, you might really get our LinkedIn going. For sure.

[Rory]

I got 100 on it.

[Mall]

Yeah. 100.

[Rory]

Do you watch Shark Tank?

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Okay, what would that value the company had then if I. If I invest 5% for $100 bucks for me can mall.

[Mall]

Oh, man.

[Rory]

What. What do you think? Like, what would be the. The first vision for Meek and Mole? Like, what would be the first thing y' all would tackle?

[Mall]

Something with criminal justice, reform, something. Something along.

[Rory]

You got that already.

[Mall]

Yeah, but now we gotta. We gotta really build that out more, though.

[Rory]

Y' all should be like the Firestone of tires, but just specifically for dirt bikes and then get sued or helmets.

[Mall]

Make helmets, yo. Right?

[Rory]

That's the thing, man. Yeah, because that's up. It's not cool to wear a helmet.

[Mall]

Yeah, we gotta make. We gotta make helmets great again. That's what we gotta do. Me and me can make helmets great again. Because you see a lot of these dudes on the dirt bikes, they don't really be wearing helmets. It's like, nah, put a helmet on. Make helmets cool again, yo.

[Rory]

I mean, when I got my custom bike, when I went to, like, pick it up after I did the whole process, he was like, you don't want to buy a helmet. I thought he was just being a salesman. He was like, you just spent this amount of money on your bike. You don't want to spend any money on your brain.

[Mall]

Huh? Right?

[Rory]

See, I was like, that's not even a salesman. That's just a fucking. Yeah, it's just a logical human.

[Mall]

We need that.

[Rory]

You spent all this money. What about your head?

[Mall]

Yeah. Got to protect your head, man.

[Rory]

Okay. Meek and Mole helmets.

[Mall]

Meek and Mole helmets.

[Rory]

Should we go back to, like, Pro Tech? Who has a protect plug? See, y'.

[Damaris]

All.

[Rory]

Y' all too young.

[Mall]

We'll find one.

[Rory]

You don't even know Pro Tech. You don't even. You don't even know Tony hawk, Pro Skater 2.

[Mall]

You're crazy. Yeah, me and. Me and me can make. Make helmets cool again. Make helmets cool again. Me and Meek, for sure. We get the M logos on the side for Meek and Mall. Like the M M's kind of Jack M M's. Y' all laughing. I see that. I see the bag, y'. All.

[Rory]

No, Remember, like, Mickey Mantle. Roger Maris did the Eminem. Like, y' all could be.

[Mall]

See what I'm saying? Yeah.

[Rory]

The asterisk could be the logo.

[Mall]

Exactly.

[Rory]

Yeah. 61.

[Mall]

Just take something from them. Borrow from Roger and Mickey. And that was Megan Mall, y'. All. Y' all don't see the vision. I need people around me that has visionaries, man. Y' all don't have vision. That's the problem now.

[Rory]

All right, but would that be too much of a conflict with. With Bike Life brand? Because I don't want you do a bad, bad business deal and you getting big.

[Mall]

That's something different.

[Rory]

Okay?

[Mall]

That's his own thing.

[Rory]

Got you.

[Mall]

We just. We on helmets. We ain't got nothing to do with. With bikes.

[Rory]

I have a. A connection to. To Damon. If I had A chance to get you and Meek on Shark Tank to pitch. How much time do you think you guys would need?

[Mall]

No, we could get that deal done quick.

[Rory]

Mark Cuban already talked about the music business, even though I know he left Shark Tank.

[Mall]

We get him back. Yeah, Cuban is a music head. He's a hip hop head. He respects the culture. Cuban's not there no more.

[Rory]

Nah, he left. Yeah, he was like the only compassionate one on that show. He would only, like, he'd congratulate people. Like, people be like, yeah, I just made a million dollars off this. This idea I had in my room. Yeah, yo, congrats. Everyone else would be like, that's awful. It's like, oh, he made a million dollars from his room.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

That's how hard that is.

[Mall]

Humans with us. He's a. He's a man of the people. He's a man of the people.

[Rory]

You know, would be funny though. Like, you remember the redacted helmets from the 90s? I'm using the word redacted. I hope you know the word I'm using. And like, the helmets they would put on certain people like that. We could bring that back and, like, you could have that on the bike because I think it would be like an old. Yeah, like, you'd be showing awareness and

[Mall]

like, I don't think that's gonna help you on a bike. That's just helping you in life. That just helps you when you trying to go get something out a snack out the fridge. Like, that's not. No, the bike. You need something a little more with a little more mass to it.

[Rory]

If Meek showed up with one of those, that would be the funniest day on Twitter.

[Mall]

Make it cool again. Let's make it cool.

[Rory]

Yeah. I mean, they call him that on Twitter all the time.

[Mall]

Cool. Meek.

[Rory]

No, no, I'm talking about the redactor.

[Mall]

No, no, that's not who. That's not who I was talking about. No.

[Rory]

Shout out to Meek. I'm glad you're on LinkedIn, man.

[Mall]

Go on them LinkedIn streets, man. They laughing at you. I'm fucking with it. Me, Meek. I like it.

[Rory]

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[Rory]

this

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[Rory]

I'm here to be a silent partner with Megan Mall. If you're down to have me yeah,

[Mall]

let's make it happen.

[Rory]

Pause. But yeah. Anyways how you felt about Mondami's top five rappers of all time?

[Mall]

Listen, man, you trying to get me to say something about Mama Danny and I'm not gonna say it. What's who's Mom Donnie's top five rappers?

[Rory]

Common, Jay Z, Biggie, Nas, Lupe, Common,

[Mall]

J, Biggie, Nas and Lupe. I'm not mad at it, all right? I mean, listen, I told you I'm not. When it comes to people's preference and their opinions on music, I'm really not. I'm not pushing back. If that's Mom Donnie's top five, Cool. Now show me Mom Donnie's top five solutions to cleaning up New York City. This is great. These are all MCs that I listen to that I like as well. Mom Donnie, cool. Now show me his top five solutions to fixing the city.

[Rory]

Nah, it's cooler when you talk about rap.

[Mall]

Exactly.

[Rory]

He's relatable.

[Mall]

He want to talk about all the shit that ain't got nothing to do with the budget.

[Rory]

Nothing to do with that.

[Mall]

Because nothing to do with the potholes.

[Rory]

You lying right now.

[Mall]

The potholes, they're being fixed In June. They're being fixed.

[Rory]

There's already. See, you don't even pay attention to geopolitics. AKA just New York City.

[Mall]

It's crazy. New York City, they're being fixed. Okay.

[Rory]

Do you think it's up that he didn't have anyone from Harlem? Like how you from Harlem and don't have that?

[Mall]

Nah. Top five. Nah. I'm not mad at that.

[Rory]

You don't think he should go on top, talk with Flea right after Cole?

[Mall]

He probably has tried to go and Talk with Flea. 100 Mamdani's probably reached out, and that probably will happen. That probably will happen.

[Rory]

It will definitely happen.

[Mall]

Definitely. I can see that happening. Happening.

[Rory]

When it's time for reelection 100, we're gonna go sit with him.

[Mall]

He's gonna be here. Donnie's gonna be right here. When it's time for reelection.

[Rory]

Do you think he talks to Gillian Wallow? That'd be a great convo. I mean, they're Philly. Yeah. Speaking more in New York, but I think the gilly Gillian Wallow episode with Mondami would be hilarious.

[Mall]

You think so?

[Rory]

They just got Tyrese to admit that he acted redacted at the Social Security office.

[Mall]

Well, Roy, we all have. That's not news to me. The fact that Tyree said his mom made him act like something was wrong with him or act, you know, special at the Social Security office.

[Rory]

I think everyone's parents has told them to act special needs at some point in their life.

[Mall]

That was a part of growing up, man. If your mom had to go to the office and get public assistance and all of that, like, yeah, you had to go in there. You can't look too clean. You gotta look like you struggling a little bit. But, yeah, that was part of it, man.

[Rory]

My favorite part of. That's weird. Tyrese and Meek do have a lot in common. My favorite part of this clip. For those that didn't see it, Tyrese said that his mom used to make him act at the Social Security office to receive $780 a month. And in Watts in the 80s, that's you balling, yo.

[Mall]

Ballin'.

[Rory]

You gotta act retarded.

[Mall]

Ballin'.

[Rory]

But what was so funny?

[Mall]

What's acting retarded? Like, what is acting? I've dealt.

[Rory]

Don't get me to try. I'm not trying it. I'm just saying, let's try.

[Mall]

Like, what if he did something? His mom was like, no, that's not it. Like, how do you pivot? Like, what is acting retarded? What does that look like? You just drooling on yourself?

[Rory]

I'm not answering this question.

[Mall]

I'm just trying to figure out what is act. Is it just acting up like you're acting bad in the Social Security office, like you just knocking shit over? Your mom said, hey, sit down. You don't listen. Is that acting retarded?

[Rory]

Well, Chris DiStefano, who we've had on the show, has a very funny bit about his dad trying to get. Get him to the first section in Yankee Stadium, which, I mean, I think all our dads, anyone that went to Yankee Stadium. You buy bleacher tickets, and then you try to sneak down. Yeah, you're not a good father if you didn't do that with your kid and try to teach them how to game past that shit. So his father had told the security guard right there that, hey, my son has special needs. And then they got down to the seats, and his dad said the drool was a nice touch. And then Chris De Sefano started to think, wait, am I right? Am I the drool he didn't intend to do?

[Mall]

He didn't even know he was drooling. Yeah, that's how you got to do it, man.

[Rory]

So, I mean, sell it. My favorite part of this clip, though, was Gilly said, you've been acting your whole life. And I misinterpreted what Gilly said. I thought Gilly was saying, you've been acting your whole life. That was my first intention of what?

[Mall]

That's. That's not what he was saying. Yeah, I get it, though. I. Listen, man. Tyrese grew up, like, most of us grew up in the inner cities. Like, you got to go to that office sometimes. Your mom's like, listen, we need this check. Do what we got to do.

[Rory]

Tyrese is from Watts Dog. I don't say what I understand.

[Mall]

I get it.

[Rory]

And on top of that, if you're in the Coca Cola commercials and you're trying to keep that off the books,

[Mall]

well, that was my.

[Rory]

You got to go full retard Social Security office.

[Mall]

That was later on.

[Rory]

Did not just see this kid doing the Coca Cola commercial.

[Mall]

That was later on. I. Tyrese was in high school at that point.

[Rory]

But, no, that. That was super funny. You mentioned to me off mic that there's the tyrese and tank versus tyrese

[Mall]

and tank versus this Thursday. Right. The 26th. This is gonna be dope. I think this is. This is gonna be one of those verses where. Because I kind of wasn't too. You know, I wasn't anticipating a lot of the previous verses that we've had recently, but this one, because I think a lot of people, you know, they're not really too familiar with Tank's catalog. And if it's songs that Tank also wrote or produced that he's playing.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I don't know if that's fair, though.

[Mall]

Why not? We've seen other people do that on verses.

[Rory]

Yeah, but it was usually like writer versus writer, producer versus producer. If Tank start doing all the shit he wrote, then this is a very unfair battle.

[Mall]

Shahrish got hits too, though.

[Rory]

No, if it's just artist versus artist. I, I. I'm more of a Tank fan than I am a Tyrese fan. But if you get, like, what do you. Signs of lovemaking, what do you. What do you come back with?

[Mall]

Don't go.

[Rory]

True. But I still think signs of love making, like, get you there. Nah. To the audience. A versus audience.

[Mall]

Nah. Don't go. Is. Don't go. Is. I don't care who's watching that. Don't go. Is. Is probably going to win that round. Tank plays Signs of lovemaking. You play. Don't go.

[Rory]

No, I'm saying Tyrese signs a little mega.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. And then Tank plays Don't go. Yeah, I think that's a win for. Don't go. Yeah, that's a win for Tank. This is gonna be interesting, though.

[Rory]

It's kind of not as much as I fuck with Tyrese. Tank's catalog is just. It's too deep. He's too active.

[Mall]

Like, it's still gonna be interesting.

[Rory]

Like, if I'm Tyrese, and I want to make this clear, I'm not disrespecting Tyrese. I think he's probably an underrated singer and artist with what he's given us. By round 15, I'm gonna start playing Fast and furious clips, though. Like, I. I don't think people realize Tanks. Tanks catalog.

[Mall]

That's. But that's why I like this.

[Rory]

Like, once we get into hooks. And not to say Tyrese don't have crazy hook. Tanks. I don't know, man. Tank's just different to me.

[Mall]

No, Tank. Tank.

[Rory]

A lot of piano. Tank's gonna perform.

[Mall]

A lot of people don't know Tank got. He got a lot of hits. But Tyrese got hits too, though.

[Rory]

Who brings out Genuine to do tgt? How do they. How do they bake that in?

[Mall]

I don't know if. I don't know if Genuine comes out, though.

[Rory]

If they recreate what they did on Good Morning America, I would love to see that. Like, if we get. If we give Genuine, like, I don't know, three mollies and a little bit of coke, we could have a great time.

[Mall]

TGT or lsg.

[Rory]

Tgt.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

And it's kind of. It's kind of not close.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

It's kind of not close. Yeah, you got a crazy hit there, but. Nah. Go through the TGT catalog. Go through those.

[Mall]

They got some joints.

[Rory]

Am I the only one that remembers Genuine being coked up out of his mind during that performance?

[Mall]

He wasn't Coked up. He said he had.

[Rory]

He had met mental. I'm here for mental health.

[Mall]

No, no, he had taken. I think they said we took a. A five hour energy drink or something like that. And I think he didn't eat or something. And then the lights being baking on him on the show.

[Rory]

Can you bring that clip up?

[Mall]

I'm just saying. Listen, I could see it.

[Rory]

I've been tgt, Good Morning America. You can. I have taken. I've drank in Celsius, Red Bull. I've taken five hour energies. I've not eaten. I have never in my life.

[Mall]

Yeah, but you never done that and then been on Good Morning America with the lights baking on your skull.

[Rory]

The funniest shit about this entire clip is like, maybe 3/4 the way through. You can see Tank on the piano trying to hold his laughs back. Like, Tank is trying not to laugh while he's on the fucking keys.

[Mall]

He was fucked up. Whatever he was on, he was geeking off that shit.

[Rory]

Well, I know you've only taken Molly once, but for people that have taken it, it like a lot. Sometimes you start chewing the side of your cheek. I can see a chewed cheek from a mile away. Yeah, that's a chewed cheek. That's not five Hour energy. That's a chewed ass cheek. I know what it's like to be up for three days on Molly. Just tweak it like you can turn it. Tyrese had to get out of his chair just so hoping that the cameras would distract from Genuine sitting there. Off beat.

[Mall]

Yeah, let me take the spot. Like, let me get some of this light off my guy.

[Rory]

And if you've heard this song, Tank just takes all of Genuine's parts.

[Mall]

Yeah, he had to. But they spoke about this, though. They after and. And all laughed about it. Genuine spoke about this too. But this was a classic.

[Rory]

I think it was like a TMZ clip. Shortly before they all sat down to talk about it, I think they caught Genuine the next day. He's like, hey, man, you know sometimes you're tired.

[Mall]

Yeah, exactly.

[Rory]

It's like, all right,

[Mall]

but this verse is gonna be dope, though. This verse gonna be dope. I'm looking forward to this.

[Rory]

Yeah, no, I'm. I'm definitely with you. Well, speaking of R and B, I don't like that that that Usher wasn't clocking that that JB was standing on business. Sometimes you gotta clock the business.

[Mall]

That's the verses we need right now.

[Rory]

Sometimes. Sometimes you gotta see when JB like this. We need.

[Mall]

No, we need. We need to. We. That's the verses that already happened. That. We need to see the footage of Justin Bieber and Usher. That's the verses. Now that picture that came out was AI correct, Pete. That was a.

[Rory]

That was 1000% AI.

[Mall]

Cause I thought. I thought I said Biebs grabbed Usher by his lapel like that.

[Damaris]

That.

[Mall]

I thought that was crazy. Beyonce, Red Wine. Like, yeah, yeah, that was crazy.

[Rory]

Well, if that wasn't AI Dog, that would be on a billboard. Like, that would have been the funniest.

[Mall]

And I thought about that. I'm like, that can't. That can. I should have known that that was AI because, I mean, everybody at the Gold Party has phones and things like that. Like that. We would have gotten footage of that.

[Rory]

Your brother was there.

[Mall]

Yeah. Like, he would have called you. Yeah, yeah. Getting. Getting Usher. Usher getting his lapel wrinkled by Justin Bieber. Like, we would have gotten real footage of that. So. But that's the verses we need. We need to know exactly what happened, what was said, what was all. What you think that was about, though.

[Rory]

I don't know. I don't want to go to the terrible part of the Internet brain of things that have been accused that happened in Justin Bieber as a kid. And we know that Usher was with Puff and then Puff was like, I want to stay away. I don't think it had anything to do with that. But, you know, that was the Comet Pizza, of course, conspiracy theory that Justin was finally talking to Usher of like, yo, you put me in a situation. I don't think it was that at all. I imagine I. I just think sometimes when. When JB gets the spirits in him, he goes a little nuts.

[Mall]

What do you think it has something to do with maybe Bieber not being happy, that Usher's probably still making money off of him, like business dealings. It might be some of that. The formalities. The business formalities.

[Rory]

Yeah. But also sometimes you just gotta sit there and be like, well, that's not a bad deal.

[Mall]

Yeah, but I mean, if you. You can sign a bad deal when you're fucking 12 years old being a faux.

[Rory]

I look at my dad and my mom, like, why'd you make me sign this bullshit?

[Mall]

I mean, it's Usher. You know what I mean? Especially at that time, Usher was, you know, he's still a huge star, but 16, 18 years ago.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

You know, I mean, like, I mean, at that time, you know, this is ushered. And Bieber obviously had a lot of talent and it was, you know, it was a good thing to kind of be up under Usher, I think that now, you know, Bieber's probably looking back like, all right, though. Like I still. You're. I'm still paying you. Yeah, I think that's probably more so what it was.

[Rory]

Well, I mean, we. We have real facts here. Sources, okay.

[Mall]

Sources.

[Rory]

We have to. Sources said Netflix should do a doc on sources. Yeah, I want to meet sources.

[Mall]

We got to meet sources. Love sources.

[Rory]

Let me see. Sources.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So sources says they witnessed the feud. Of course, a source always witnessed some shit. Said Usher reacted angrily when Justin brushed him off in the same way he has for a while now. Same source claims from those closer to Usher. A closer source from his perspective, that's a level of loyalty and gratitude that hasn't been reciprocated. Furthermore, the distance between them has come off as dismissive and disrespectful. So does that make Justin the aggressor or the other way around now? I don't know, cuz Usher's. If he's dismissing him, like, I don't even want to speak to you. To me, that would be Usher grabbing his lapel like, no, come here.

[Mall]

Yeah, you gonna talk to me?

[Rory]

You're my son.

[Mall]

Let's.

[Rory]

Let's start there. Yeah, but I mean, clearly the source is giving us stuff we already know. Usher played a key role in Justin getting his start and the history there matters and whatever.

[Mall]

I don't know.

[Rory]

Some people view things differently from their childhood than you may view when you were an adult for sure. And I wanna make this. I'm not saying, hey, Usher, weird shit that they talk about the Internet. I'm saying, yeah, I don't know, Justin got older and probably looked back and maybe you didn't handle my business the best way. Maybe you didn't. I think there could be resentment there. And Usher's probably looking at it like, this was the music business. What did you. Now you're not even gonna speak to me?

[Mall]

Or. You know, Usher's been trying to have a conversation about it and Justin doesn't want to. Want to talk to him. Like you said, brushing them off, I could see, you know, Usher kind of like grabbing him up like, yo, like, nah, we talking like, let's have this conversation. Because when they said they had a. Whatever they said it was, you know, maybe some yelling. It doesn't have to be like some crazy. It could just be like, yo, let me talk to you. Like you, like you, like, I don't want to talk to you. And then that turns into Justin and Justin Bieber And Usher had a feud at the goal part. And it was literally like, yo, I don't want to talk to you.

[Rory]

My guess is it was less than that. My guess is it could have been nothing. Yeah, some people just have. Look like they speak aggressively, and you're at the gold party, music's playing. The source could have just been walking by and was like. It kind of looked like they arguing.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Because that's happened to me, where it's like, yo, y' all was arguing. No, no.

[Mall]

Just having a passionate discussion. Yeah. Just having a loud discussion at each other. That's all.

[Rory]

I think this is nothing. I think. I don't even like my speculation. I really don't think anything's wrong.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I think they just maybe were having a disagreement, and that's. It was what it was.

[Mall]

So how do we feel about now? Justin Timberlake is confused that he's a white guy. Did you see that? I told y' all he had too much soul to be a white guy. Y' all didn't believe him. There's another thing I said years ago. Nobody believed him. I tried to tell you.

[Rory]

I mean, in his defense, he got blacker.

[Mall]

The video came out of his DWI arrest in the Hamptons years ago.

[Rory]

Rough week for the whites. I just want to say, would you

[Mall]

arrest Justin, Tim, if you pulled him over in the Hamptons and you could tell he was a little, like, intoxicated? Because I don't think I would.

[Rory]

Here's where corruption would definitely take place. I want to make it very clear I do not agree with drunk driving. It has led to a lot of terrible things. Very true. If I'm in the Hamptons on a dirt road, and Justin Timberlake gets out his car, and I don't have a lot of calls that night of keeping the Hamptons safe, there's not a lot

[Mall]

of calls in Hamptons.

[Rory]

I may look at my partner and go, you drive his car. I'll drive the cruiser behind you. Let's take him, and let's get Justin Timberlake back.

[Mall]

Let's get him back to the house,

[Rory]

which is fucked up. I want to make that clear. I identify that we shouldn't give celebrities privileges like that, and they shouldn't be above the law. But if I'm in the Hamptons and Justin timberlake, he's driving 10 miles an hour down a dirt road, I don't know if I'm taking Justin Timberlake to jail. I'm just trying to be honest. I know everyone that's way more amazing than me. Listening right now is like, you can't do that. You do the same thing.

[Mall]

You turn the body cam off.

[Rory]

Nah, I gotta put it in the group chat. The homies gotta see this. Yo, I just pulled over Justin Timberlake.

[Damaris]

Nah.

[Mall]

Cause if it's on a body cam, you get in trouble for that. If you take him home, you supposed to arrest him, man.

[Rory]

You know how much corruption probably happens in the Hamptons?

[Mall]

Oh, 100%. Well, I'm just saying. You might have to turn that body cam off, though.

[Rory]

Yeah. You know how many times at the Murdoch household, they probably turn their body cams off.

[Mall]

They turn their ring cams off. Not only do they turn.

[Rory]

I don't think turning your body cam off in the Hamptons is. Is that crazy. When you get back to your officers.

[Mall]

Turn that ring cam off real quick, man. Let's turn that off real quick. We can handle this right here.

[Rory]

But, yeah, more. More footage leaked from. I believe that was last summer. Right. Because there was footage that leaked where. Where Justin was like, dog, I got to get to my tour.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Which was hilarious. But in the precinct, you saw Justin reading his paperwork after he had one martini.

[Mall]

It's always one. One beer, one martini. It's always one.

[Rory]

And he looked at his paperwork and said, white, tough crowd. Like, you're working with a very cold audience at that point. Because I would have busted out laughing.

[Mall]

Yeah. You don't gotta be so serious, you know, officers trying to be serious. I wouldn't have rested on that.

[Rory]

But I'm sure he had to have paused. Blown at that point. Point. Because you start. You start joking after you've.

[Mall]

Yeah, I'm calling it is what it is. Like, all right, I'm a little intoxicated. I get it. But still, gotta have fun.

[Rory]

I. I'm not. Not proud of it, but I have. I have been arrested for a DUI before.

[Mall]

You were scared.

[Rory]

No. So I don't want to say in my defense, because there is no real defense for drinking and driving. I fell asleep at my friend's dorm. He was taking summer classes at St. Peter's I was living at my godfather's. Jersey City to. I don't want to say the town where my godfather lives, but it's not very far. And I was living at his house. I went to sleep. Like, I slept. We were drinking that night. And I don't know if you've been in shitty commuter style dorms. The small couch is probably the size of this. This table of where I was sleeping. I woke up at like 7am Like, I'm getting the out of here. I. I slept enough. Get in the car, get pulled over on the side of the Jersey Turnpike. And this, this was the. The year of like cargoes with cement. Threes time. So I'm literally like walking. I don't know if you've seen the Jersey Turnpike. It has a slope on the side. I had to walk in a straight line on a slope and do this at the same time. And the cop said to me, after I'd done everything, ABCs, the whole fucking thing, he said, you do realize we're gonna do this until you fail. I said, well, until you fail, there's a verbatim quote. Verbatim quote. You realize we're going to keep doing this until you fail. And I said, well, then just put me in cuffs. Maybe I was drunk.

[Mall]

Until you fail. Crazy.

[Rory]

So I leave my 1993 Chevy Malibu on the side of the fucking turnpike. I get in cuffs, back of the cruiser, my dumb ass. Because again, I had just turned 21. I had maybe been 21 for two weeks at this point. I said in my arrogant 21 year old, I said, man, I slept. I'm not gonna refuse because I know if you refuse, you lose your license for three months, no matter what, to blow. I said, give me that shit, bro.

[Mall]

What you asked for.

[Rory]

Well, you get. You have the option because you could no matter what, if you refuse, you still lose your license for three months. If you get a dui, then it's. It's definitely more of like a maximum probably. That hit perfect at.08. Like, I even tried to do the tricks. Like when you're drunk and you're in like Justin's situation when he's sitting there like, I just had a martini. Like, you really think in an arrogant, drunk state that you're fine. I was like pretending to blow pause. And they were like, you do realize every drunk person tries to do this. You're not that smart. Like, this is a machine. It can read. I know you think you're doing something. Like, he was an. But he was very much honest of like, we know you're not.

[Mall]

You're not blowing.

[Rory]

Because I'm sitting there like. Like, that's not going to get it done.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

If you're gonna do this, you've already committed, right? Do it. That hit 0.08 on the mark.

[Mall]

That is some scary though, to get pulled over and like, you have to do like a field test.

[Rory]

Oh, I. You're just. Anytime you get pulled over, period, even as a white person, I can only imagine someone else. You're nervous regardless when you see those lights. But I wasn't even thinking the shit because I. I wasn't drunk in my head, which I. Again, I don't advocate for this, but I thought I slept enough hours and I was good.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Which was not the case, but I

[Mall]

had to do that one time we was driving from LA to Vegas and they pulled us over.

[Rory]

That's a rough place.

[Mall]

Yeah, they pulled us over. So I was. But we were smoking. So when he pulled it over, they smell weed in the car, so they made me get out. So I just always remember I said, all right. Cause he was like, all right, we gotta follow this pin. Follow the ballpoint of my pen, this, that and the third. All I kept saying to myself was, you have to over exaggerate the eye movement. That's all I remember saying. Like, yo, just over exaggerate. Make it seem like you're so locked in. I was looking at the pen when he had it by his side, like he was just holding the right hand. I'm just staring at his pen. I was just over exaggerating. So then he's moving the pen like this. So I'm going with him. My eyes going. So then he gets to the center, like your nose. I just said, let me make my eyes as cross eyed as possible. And then he was like, yo, listen man, just kind of keep it, keep it under 80. And I was like, all right, keep it under 80.

[Rory]

I mean, but between LA and.

[Mall]

Yeah, when you make that, when you hit that, that you hit Barstow, open desert, and it's just like, it's like, bro, there's nobody else on the road. It's just like open road.

[Rory]

It's hilarious, bro.

[Mall]

But we was lit. We was in that car smoking. I'm talking about burning it down during that ride. And I was like, fuck. As soon as they pull me over, I just knew I was going to jail.

[Rory]

Yeah, well, you know, I never, I beat my DUI.

[Mall]

How?

[Rory]

Like I'm, I'm. I'm the OJ of DUIs for sure. Like, I blew point away. I beat the case.

[Mall]

Yeah, but I don't think that's. You don't want to be the OJ of DUIs. You don't. You don't want that on your, on your juice, baby. Yeah. No, you don't want that on your chest.

[Rory]

The juice is loose. That's how I walked out of the Newark Court Building. The juice is loose. This is for entertainment purposes. I'm lying right Now, Now. Okay, I want to make this. I'm lying. None of this is true, what I'm about to say. So I got a DUI fax. Like, this isn't refusal where there's some. I got a DUI dog. 0.08. You are arrested. You have to go to court to face your dui. The prosecutor in Newark at the time was my frat brother. So I, you know, I make a call, just which camera people page. This is. This is all a lie. I'm making all of this up. This is for entertainment purposes. I called my frat brother. I said, yo, I got a diy. He said, all right, That's. That's my, like, courtroom. I got you, prosecutor. So the girl I'm dating at the time is also interning at the Newark courthouse. I used to, like, just visit her at the Newark courthouse when she was there. And there was an Alpha, which is another fraternity shout out to the Alphas. I love the Alphas. Except. Except for this redacted word he was trying to. The girl that I was dating. He finds out that with my dui, that the prosecutor is my fraternity brother. Mind you, I made this fraternity brother, even though he was older than me. He joined an alumni chapter. This is all a lie, by the way. He joined alumni chapter. I made him. So he's a little brother to me, even though he's twice my age.

[Mall]

Right?

[Rory]

The Alpha finds out, snitches to the judge, who's an aka and she makes a scene in the courtroom. I would never even do this for my sorority sisters. I believe in the fraternity, sorority, but never above the law. So I get thrown into the court system of people that have family members that are part of the court, because that's like a corruption. Like, yeah, if your family work in the court, you got to be in a separate system, right? So they put me in that shit. I go to court. I'm not exaggerating. Every Thursday for six months, the cop never shows up. He gets arrested as one of, like, the biggest scandals in N.J. state trooper history. And my case gets thrown out on top of the corruption charge they were trying to do with my fraternity brother who almost got arrested as a prosecutor either.

[Mall]

See, I feel like you got to be white for that to happen to you. My black ass.

[Rory]

Everyone in the courses I'm talking about is black except for me. I want to make that clear. No, nobody was a white AKA Everybody's black in this but me. And this is a story I made up for funny entertainment, because this isn't True. None of this is true. Yeah, but. Yeah, that was the story of my D. Yo. That was the story of my dui.

[Mall]

That's wild.

[Rory]

For six months, every Thursday, I go in and. And every time, they'd ask you who. It's like a formality. Which family member works in our court system? And I never had an answer. I was like. I had to sit there and explain. I was like, so my frat brother. And these are people that are not in fraternities. I'm just sitting there like an idiot. So it's like my frat brother. And then the judge and they were like, okay. And then they'd ask the plaintiff, is the cop here? Nope. And I never knew why he wouldn't show up. That shit was getting expensive for me too. I didn't have much money. My car, my Chevy Malibu. After that broke down, I'm taking the bus from Teaneck, New Jersey, to Newark, which is a fucking nightmare. Every Thursday.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And I'm like, why won't, like, I just let me face the music. Can this cop come so I could just get my fucking. Go to my DUI classes, pay these fines, get it over with. I didn't know he was under investigation, and that's why he never showed up. So all of his cases got thrown out. Like, I have no idea how many team. How many innocent men were let out of prison the same day that they were like, yeah. So the arresting officer is no longer with the force. All his cases are thrown out. I walked out. That like, lucky.

[Mall]

Luckily. No, to the point that luckily, Irish,

[Rory]

my court appointed lawyers stopped showing up too.

[Mall]

That's crazy. I would have been in prison for sure if that was me.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Dy, lock him up.

[Rory]

So, I mean, in a sense, I feel, Justin, when you look at your paperwork and be like, white.

[Mall]

Not me. Never me. I'm a Kappa. Not white. Before we wrap up, though, where I do want to say rest in peace to the legendary Chuck Norris. We lost Chuck Norris over the weekend. Legend and everything. Now can I listen? Respectfully, prayers to Chuck Norris and his family, condolences to his family, but let's just. I'm gonna act like we're not on a podcast right now. Can I just say something to the room? I thought Chuck Norris was already dead.

[Rory]

Really?

[Mall]

I thought he had died, like, five years ago.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

I feel like we had got news. I don't know if it's one of those Internet things where they kill celebrities all the time.

[Rory]

Maybe Chuck was part of that.

[Mall]

I think Chuck got caught up in that one year, and I just kind of believed it. I thought. I thought it was real. And so that's when they announced it. I was like, I thought Chuck Norris passed away years ago, but now we're back on the podcast. Yes, but Chuck Norris. Chuck Norris passed away. Legendary actor, you know, in every sense of the word. I can't remember not watching a movie growing up and not seeing Chuck Norris on my tv.

[Rory]

I mean, kind of the way we all treat Law and Order now is how I treated Walker, Texas Ranger.

[Damaris]

Like.

[Rory]

Yeah, that was. That's just on the TV now.

[Mall]

Delta Force was my shit. You ever seen Delta Force? I never seen Delta Force.

[Rory]

Of course I have.

[Mall]

Death. Look, Ryan, you don't even know. You don't even know the legend that Chuck is. Look at you.

[Rory]

That. That.

[Mall]

That dodgeball.

[Rory]

He's in one scene where, you know dodgeball.

[Mall]

You don't know dodgeball.

[Rory]

Delta Force, you know, an episode was a Walker, Texas Ranger. That's like Tupac songs. I'm sure they have, like, unreleased Walker, Texas Ranger episodes, for sure.

[Mall]

Game of Death. Like, this is. Chuck is a legend, man. Every sense of the word.

[Rory]

Yeah, he. He's. Who?

[Mall]

How many.

[Rory]

Steven Seagal thinks he is.

[Mall]

How many. How many movies does Chuck Norris have in his discography? I just want to. I just want to know how many movies Chuck Norris.

[Rory]

I don't even think this. This. I feel like this is underselling. There's no way.

[Mall]

37. He did that in one year. You can't be 37.

[Rory]

Yeah, I think he. He probably had 37 this year. Yeah.

[Mall]

Yeah. Chuck Norris has more than 37 movies in his.

[Rory]

Yeah, we just didn't really see them.

[Mall]

At least 34. No way.

[Rory]

I'm not jacking AI on this one.

[Mall]

Yeah. Nah. Chuck Norris has done more than 34

[Rory]

movies, but definitely rest in peace.

[Mall]

Rest in peace. To the legend Chuck Norris. Thank you for Delta Force. Changed my childhood.

[Rory]

And, I mean, I know you don't get to decide if people put out a headline saying you had, like, an emergency or. Or a health scare, but don't do that. Just wait till I'm dead. Or not.

[Mall]

Not.

[Rory]

Because I saw that during the day. Like, Chuck Norris has an emergency scare. Don't. Don't do that. Just. Just announce when I'm dead.

[Mall]

Yeah, I don't.

[Rory]

I don't like that. That shit.

[Mall]

Oh, man. All right. Well, thank you guys for coming in today. We made it as a family. If you're traveling, please be safe in these airports. I guess you could bring a pillow with you and sleep at the airport in some cities.

[Rory]

I know we started the episode with it, but I do want to close and humble myself. Those tickets are fifteen hundred dollars for good seats.

[Mall]

Jay Z tickets.

[Rory]

What can you do for us?

[Mall]

Oh, I can't do shit. I let people know off top, I can't do nothing for you. Either you gonna pay that price, or hopefully they stream it, catch it on live stream. I can't do nothing for you.

[Rory]

Yeah, we can't, like, just follow Biggs and.

[Mall]

Nah, not a Yankee Stadium. That security measure is different.

[Rory]

What if we posed as asset security? But we could be like Chuck Norris type. Like, we don't. We're not the big security guards. Like, we know taekwondo.

[Mall]

They had a special set of skills, those two. Yeah. Nah, not happening. I mean, yo, they got tickets going

[Rory]

for like $400, which, again, I. I'm not mad at. It's up there, which is fine to me, like, to be quite honest, like, just to be there. 400 bucks. I would probably pay that.

[Mall]

Yeah, just.

[Rory]

Just to be there.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So I don't know, maybe you're trying

[Mall]

to be on third baseline, though. Now you gonna play. If you trying to be down there with a rod number, that's gonna cost you a little. A little pretty penny.

[Rory]

But, you know, I might just start scamming people like Game does in his DMS and just. Just raise the money. Game got $4,000 for some random guy. Like, I bet. Yo, everyone send me your music. It's $50 so I could raise money to buy Jay Z ticket.

[Mall]

Yeah, man. But it. Somehow, somewhere. We got to find a way to get in there, though. That's gonna be a great show.

[Rory]

I see what you did.

[Mall]

Somehow, some way. Come on, man. You know?

[Rory]

Yeah, we'll make it out of the hood.

[Mall]

Yeah, one day. We'll make it out the hood. We'll talk to y' all soon. Be safe, be blessed. I'm that. He's just ginger. Peace.

[Damaris]

No worry.

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[Rory]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

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