Episode 476 | God Speed

Summary

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New Rory & MAL – Episode 476 | "God Speed"

Date: April 3, 2026
Podcast: New Rory & MAL

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Overview

In this episode, Rory, Maul, Damaris, and Baby D kick off the weekend with their signature banter, catching up on plans, pop culture news, hot music takes, and plenty of jokes. The main theme weaves together the chaos of music industry relationships—from Kanye West's live shows and cultural impact, to Meek Mill’s post-Drake beef trajectory, Jay-Z’s storied rivalry with fellow New Yorkers, to the realities of booking guests in the post-radio era. The team also gets candid about Lamar Odom’s sobering documentary, lampoons criminal stupidity in hip-hop headlines, and closes out with their favorite new music drops—all delivered in their irreverent, fast-talking, self-aware style.

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Episode Breakdown

1. Start-of-Week Catchup: LA Trips, Work Mode, and DND Wars

Timestamps: 02:21–13:12

• Rory and Maul discuss upcoming LA trip
  • "When was the last time any of us have been in LA that wasn't work related?" (Maul, 04:18)
  • Baby D jokes about Maul’s “producer” persona, sunglasses indoors, and work mode.
• Conversation about social lives, 'outside' vs. 'nature', and being unreachable
  • Damaris explains why her phone is always on Do Not Disturb (DND).
  • “I don’t like being disturbed. My phone always on DND.” (Damaris, 07:41)
  • Baby D: “Texting, putting somebody that you're currently texting on DND, that is wild.” (08:17)
  • Maul misses AIM’s away messages for texting.

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2. Clip Recap: Kanye’s Live Show at Sofi, Cancel Culture & Artistic Legacy

Timestamps: 13:13–28:38

• Kanye’s Sofi Stadium show review
  • "As much as I really don’t rock with Kanye with things he’s said... he’s still a great artist." (Baby D, 14:42)
  • Discussion about production, live stream glitches, and Kanye’s perfectionism.
  • "He would notice if one light bulb was out." (Maul, 16:47)
• Debate: Is Kanye the biggest artist in the world?
  • Breakdown of cancel culture, Kanye’s resilience, Taylor Swift’s numbers, and cultural context.
  • “He finds the simplest things to make... How come no one’s thought about standing on top of the world and making it LED screens?” (Maul, 14:47)
  • Maul: “You can’t erase a 22-year career. That’s why you can make the argument Kanye could still be the biggest artist out.” (21:18)
• Festival FOMO: Kanye vs Jay-Z headlining same dates
  • Baby D argues Kanye took Wireless Fest dates to compete with Jay-Z’s Yankee Stadium shows.
  • “There's no way those dates lined up like that... that's not a coincidence.” (Baby D, 25:45)
  • Group debates whose show they'd rather watch—Jay at Yankee or Kanye at Wireless.

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3. Hip-Hop Deep Dives: Jay-Z Subliminals & Rapper Feuds

Timestamps: 34:23–46:33

• Debate over Jay-Z’s “Otis” bars—directed at Cam’ron?
  • Baby D elaborates: “I understand the entendres. This is Jay Z we talking about.”
  • Maul lays out every wordplay connecting Jay to Cam’ron, Dipset, and Asylum Records.
  • “The fact of putting all those four elements into it... Now it has to be about Cam.” (Maul, 38:08)
• Sidebar: Subtlety in Rap Disses
  • “That's like a skill in itself, to be able to design a verse... where it takes some years and it’s like, oh shit, he was going at this person.” (Baby D, 38:58)

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4. Meek Mill’s Career: Post-Drake, Internet Narratives, and Musical Evolution

Timestamps: 39:36–49:24

• Maul and Damaris revisit Meek’s highly scrutinized battle with Drake
  • Maul: “I think the best part of Meek's career was post-Drake battle. His best music, in my opinion.” (42:15)
• Charlamagne’s comments on Meek “never recovering” dispelled
  • “Some of Meek's biggest records… came post the Drake battle.” (Maul, 44:17)
  • Baby D and Damaris discuss Meek’s social media persona, and whether his public vulnerability hurt or helped his legacy.
  • “If anything, us making fun of Meek and his tweets has actually made him more lovable.” (Damaris, 46:15)
• Challenges of evolving musically and label struggles
  • “I don't think Meek evolved enough... musically, his sound didn't up the level.” (Baby D, 47:23)

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5. Industry Realities: Booking Guests & Media Loyalty

Timestamps: 49:46–61:08

• Ebro’s viral remarks about struggling to book guests after Hot 97
  • “Welcome to the mud. It’s rough.” (Maul, 51:49)
  • Group analyzes why legacy no longer guarantees media bookings; 'clout' is now platform-based.
  • “The purpose of a press run is to get your shit in front of as many eyes as possible.” (Damaris, 54:54)
  • Damaris points out: “You only have so much time. You’re going to pick what’s going to get you in front of the best eyes.”
  • Maul: “It’s corny if you actually cool with somebody, and if they’re not hot, you’re not fucking with them.” (60:15)
  • Debates about transactional relationships in music media, and when to enforce boundaries if guests repeatedly cancel.

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6. Hoops & Pop Culture—Final Four Predictions & Lamar Odom Doc

Timestamps: 67:20–83:31

• March Madness picks and sports bar plans
  • “I’m taking Arizona… I think it’s an easy bet.” (Maul, 67:55)
• Lamar Odom documentary review
  • “Lamar was actively flirting with death.” (Baby D, 72:27)
  • Maul and Baby D express new respect for Khloe Kardashian’s loyalty.
  • Group jokes about the notorious Bunny Ranch incident, Odom’s drug use, and the bonkers story of him surviving a fatal overdose.
  • “Coke and crack is one thing to do. Hookers is one thing to do. Taking 12 gas station dick pills in one sitting—how his dick did not explode is beyond me.” (Maul, 73:07)
• Conversation about addiction, trauma, and public perception of the Kardashians
  • “Dating a Kardashian, you are chasing fame.” (Damaris, 82:04)

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7. Hip-Hop Headlines: Pooh Shiesty & The Federal Indictment

Timestamps: 83:31–91:39

• Wild news of Pooh Shiesty and Big 30’s federal charges
  • “Do you really need the extendo at a studio? It's such a small space.” (Maul, 86:23)
  • “You have an ankle monitor on, which means we watching you already… How did you think this was [going to go]?” (Baby D, 91:39)
• Roasting “stupid criminals” in the age of cell phone records, surveillance, and paper trails
  • “Stop bringing your phone on a robbery!” (Maul, 89:07)
• Side tangent: How long does it make sense to hold a grudge or plan revenge?
  • “There's no statute of limitations [on an ass whooping].” (Baby D, 94:50)

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8. New Music Friday: What’s Dropping?

Timestamps: 95:44–101:33

• Excitement for Thundercat’s new track “Distracted” (feat. Rocky, Mac Miller, Yachty, Willow, Channel Tres)
  • “Thundercat is the one I’m excited about.… Also Marlon Craft, his best work by far, The Internet Killed the Neighborhood.” (Maul, 95:48)
• Birthday gift gone wrong: J. Cole’s Chinese team “Monkey Kings” jersey
  • Group cracks up about the optics—“Being a J. Cole fan, the hardest title I wear.” (Damaris, 98:29)
  • “Jcole signed with the Monkey Kings… y’all know I don’t hate J.Cole, but come on, fam. The Monkey…” (Baby D, 98:06)

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Notable Quotes

• “He finds, like, the simplest things to make... How come no one’s thought about standing on top of the world and making it LED screens?”
  — Maul, 14:47 (on Kanye’s live show innovation)

• “I don’t think Meek evolved enough… musically, his sound didn’t up the level.”
  — Baby D, 47:23 (on Meek Mill’s career)

• “It’s corny if you actually cool with somebody, and if they’re not hot, you’re not fucking with them.”
  — Maul, 60:15 (on industry relationships)

• “Lamar was actively flirting with death. He was playing one on one, winner take the ball out, with death.”
  — Baby D, 72:27 (on Lamar Odom’s addiction)

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Memorable Moments & Banter

• Nostalgic for AIM away messages, wishing texting had them. (09:34—“I wish... I could pick 10 people that can text me any time without my away message hitting them.” —Maul)
• Joking about planning revenge, the logistics of holding a grudge for decades, and not "traveling to whoop anybody’s ass." (92:19–94:50)
• Roast of Pooh Shiesty’s criminal “plan” with an ankle monitor—"You have an ankle monitor which means we watching you already!" (Baby D, 91:39)
• Awkwardness over giving a “Monkey Kings” jersey to a Black woman—"Do you think you should wear that?" (Baby D, 97:17)

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Episode Timestamps at a Glance

• 02:21–13:12: Banter, LA trip, DND and social habits
• 13:13–28:38: Kanye West’s shows, cancel culture, artist legacies
• 34:23–46:33: Jay-Z bars, rapper beefs, and lyric decoding
• 39:36–49:24: Meek Mill’s career, post-Drake, and media narratives
• 49:46–61:08: The struggles of booking guests without big-brand backing
• 67:20–83:31: Final Four talk, Lamar Odom documentary recap
• 83:31–91:39: Pooh Shiesty’s legal woes, dumb crimes discussion
• 95:44–101:33: New music Friday, J. Cole’s “Monkey Kings” jersey snafu

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This episode delivers everything New Rory & MAL fans love: inside-industry talk, hilarious honesty, sharp observations on hip-hop culture, and the wild, rapid-fire humor of friends who know too much about one another—and the games they play to survive the music world.

Transcript

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[Maul]

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[Maul]

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[Maul]

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[Damaris]

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[Baby D]

And now. Yeah. And we're back.

[Maul]

Yes.

[Baby D]

End of the week. Rory, how you feeling?

[Maul]

Excited.

[Baby D]

Yeah, like you in festival mode? Where you going?

[Maul]

Nowhere.

[Baby D]

You tell when you in festival mode?

[Maul]

I'm definitely not in festival.

[Baby D]

Did you get a facial? Did you get like. Did you sit in the sauna? Or something. You look. No hydrated skin. Looks like.

[Maul]

Actually a little tired, to be quite honest.

[Baby D]

Really? Yeah.

[Maul]

That makes me feel.

[Damaris]

He had a suit jacket on today. I said, why do you have a suit jacket?

[Maul]

It's a jack. It's just a regular jacket.

[Baby D]

He had a suit on today.

[Maul]

No, no. When I show you the jacket, you're going to be like Damaris. How did you see his suit and what he was wearing?

[Baby D]

Oh, okay.

[Damaris]

He was just like J. Cole in that one magazine interview, the GQ one.

[Maul]

I didn't.

[Baby D]

Don't ever.

[Maul]

I didn't. I don't memorize the cold fence. I don't remember what he was wearing. Well, how are you feeling?

[Baby D]

I'm great, man. Got my tea, you know what I'm saying? End of the week, feeling good? Feeling great.

[Maul]

Yeah, I think. Well, definitely not festival season. I am gonna go to LA next week though, so. Come on, man, step out, man.

[Baby D]

You know when you say LA and look me in my eyes like that, I know what that means. Like you want me to look at flights. I'm with you, man. Don't worry about it. We can do that together.

[Maul]

Listen, man, I wouldn't have to miss episode.

[Baby D]

Nah. But I hate when you go to LA for like producer Rory. Stuff like Rory. Yeah. Cuz his. He walk faster than he already do.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

It's like I can't, I can't keep up with him.

[Damaris]

He don't take them sunglasses off.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Then it's like, you know, like, all right, my guy's working, man. I don't want to interfere with.

[Maul]

You think, you think when I'm in like the music studio I wear sunglasses?

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Maul]

You think I have like, like I'm Ryan Leslie or some Ryan Leslie?

[Baby D]

Yeah, Rory Leslie Quincy Rory.

[Maul]

I put on the suit, glasses, everything.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Maul]

Well, when was the last time any of us have been in LA that wasn't work related? I don't think I've ever been to la, not work related in my life. And I've been to LA. Probably 50.

[Baby D]

I mean, that makes sense.

[Maul]

Maybe more than 50 times.

[Baby D]

That makes sense. Most people from the east coast, like, especially New York, if you go to la, it's usually for work stuff.

[Maul]

And like, no disrespect to, to la, but if I have some free time off, I'm not getting on a five to six hour flight to go to Los Angeles for some R and R. Yeah. That's just not where I'm going.

[Baby D]

Go to an island or something. If it's a vacation. Yeah, yeah.

[Maul]

And I Have a lot of friends out there and they do give me a lot of like, can you come out here when you're not working so we could actually hang out?

[Damaris]

No.

[Maul]

Nah, I'm cool.

[Baby D]

That's what I'm saying. I don't know if I want to go this time with you because you. Once you in work mode, this is a different world.

[Maul]

You don't want to be in the music video.

[Baby D]

What's my. What's my. What's my part? What am I playing?

[Maul]

Well, I'm writing some sketches now for it.

[Baby D]

Okay.

[Maul]

Yeah, I could write you in.

[Baby D]

You got. You get me in there.

[Maul]

I see what I could do. I see what I could do. I'll check with myself to see if it'll be okay.

[Baby D]

You can move some stuff around, see if you got.

[Maul]

It's an eight hour shoot day. I'll see you later.

[Baby D]

Give me a little 20 minutes somewhere in there, man. So good.

[Maul]

I do need some extras, though. And I was going to put out like a proper flyer on IG story.

[Baby D]

If you need some extras in the video.

[Maul]

If we have any listeners out in. In la, as of now, tentatively, we'd be shooting on Thursday the 9th. Yeah. I was going to ask if like some listeners could fill. Go fill some seats.

[Baby D]

I can call a homies. I can have.

[Maul]

No, no, you don't want me. No, no, no.

[Baby D]

You mean only homies to just stand around.

[Maul]

Nope, I'd rather sit there and answer questions about rap debates and stuff. I'm not. I'm cool. All your six old friends. Yo, it's cool, man. We appre. I appreciate and love y', all, man. I'm here to. But we don't need your services at the shoot.

[Baby D]

Just had a homies pull up and just make sure you all right.

[Maul]

When have you ever seen gang members at a video shoot and it went well.

[Baby D]

They're not gang members. They're just from the same community, man. That's all it is. They grew up together. That's. Yeah.

[Maul]

Oh, no, come on. We're made up. Same block court system.

[Baby D]

Yeah, come on, man. You know that. You know how that go.

[Maul]

Anyways, we're back.

[Baby D]

Sponsored by Boost Mobile Unlimited texting. Baby D, what's up? How you feeling?

[Damaris]

I feel good.

[Baby D]

Nah, nah, nah, nah. Don't give me that. How you feeling?

[Damaris]

You want me to be miserable?

[Baby D]

No, I want you to. You sound miserable. I want you to sound like you

[Maul]

know what I'm saying. I sound good.

[Damaris]

I'm listening to y' all conversation.

[Baby D]

All right. Just making sure you all right. Over there. That's all trying to figure out.

[Damaris]

Maybe I wanted to go to la. Maybe I was trying to figure out what I had on my schedule.

[Maul]

You want to be like a video vixen in the video?

[Baby D]

This is why. Hold on. This is why. Baby D full of shit. She just said off camera, I can't wait to stay home all weekend.

[Damaris]

That's this weekend. He's not going this weekend. He's going next week.

[Baby D]

Okay. He's leaving Tuesday, though, so that kind of parlays over into the weekend. Sunday, Saturday. Sunday what? Monday you gonna be like, all right, I'm ready to go outside now.

[Maul]

That's enough time to bedrock. And then you can get.

[Baby D]

No, I'm trying to get that Baby D be full of shit when she try to act like she don't want to be outside.

[Damaris]

That's logic.

[Baby D]

Never tired of being outside. No, you ain't tired of being outside. You ain't. No, you're not.

[Damaris]

There's a difference between tired of being out in nature and tired of being outside, socializing. If I go to la, what do I do when I go to la?

[Baby D]

When do you have outside in nature? When the last time you've been in

[Damaris]

nature, Baby D. I went and I was in nature. I took a very long walk when I was down south.

[Baby D]

Down south.

[Maul]

If you telling. Telling me, run your cannon is not socializing, then I don't know what to tell you like, major you outside.

[Damaris]

Nah. When I go to la, y' all know I be laying by that pool. Phone on dnd.

[Baby D]

Phone? Your phone is never on dnd?

[Maul]

No, actually it is all the time. And it pisses me off more than anything in the world.

[Damaris]

Never. Not on dnd.

[Baby D]

Why you always got your phone on dnd?

[Damaris]

Because I don't like being Indeed. Or deed. I don't like being disturbed. My phone always on dnd. I was just having a conversation with loiyon about how I was arguing with Peej earlier. Me and Peej was arguing back and forth about what?

[Baby D]

Who has the best margaritas?

[Damaris]

No, our jobs. So Peej wrote me something, and I wrote back something. He wrote me back and I was done. I'm like, I'm not discussing this anymore. So I wrote him back and I put my phone on dd. So it went into like. It just went, damaris's phone is on do not disturb. Right after I wrote him, and he was like, don't silence me. Nah, I said what?

[Baby D]

I said, you can't silence me.

[Maul]

Wait, this is in a group chat with You Loyon and peach? No, just.

[Damaris]

Just me and Pe.

[Maul]

Okay. Got you, got you. Okay.

[Baby D]

Texting. Putting somebody that you're currently texting on D and D, like, in the middle.

[Maul]

No, that. That is wild.

[Baby D]

That is crazy.

[Maul]

Yeah, that's. I guess that's the new version of like, slamming your flip phone shut. Yeah. Is the D and D thing. I don't mind if it's like past 9 o'. Clock. Cool. Everyone deserves their. Their space. But Tuesday at 1pm, get your phone off D and D. It drives me nuts. Like, if I'm calling you, it's for a specific reason at this time.

[Baby D]

I've never put my phone on D and D. Not one time.

[Maul]

Are you ill?

[Baby D]

I'm just saying, I've never have. Like, I never.

[Damaris]

You just ignore people? Yeah, I don't like having to do that.

[Baby D]

I mean, the ring is off, but

[Damaris]

like, I don't like feeling the vibration.

[Baby D]

You don't even want the.

[Damaris]

I don't even.

[Maul]

I just don't want to

[Baby D]

want the vibes.

[Damaris]

I do not want to know your content.

[Maul]

Like, I just did that phone off Rose mode.

[Baby D]

I don't want no vibration.

[Damaris]

When I'm ready to talk, I'll go check and say, oh, did anyone contact me? If yes, then okay, I'll choose who to respond to. If not, did not. Cause if Rory calls me in the middle of the day, even if I ignore him. Cause I don't wanna talk, I'm now wondering what he wanted. I don't even want that thought in my head.

[Baby D]

You one of those people. Like, if you got your phone on D and D and somebody texts you, you see the text, even though it's on D and D, you'll hit them back. Like, what?

[Damaris]

No, I just don't hit them back at all.

[Baby D]

Okay.

[Maul]

I wish. Remember, like away messages with aim? Yeah, I wish we could have that in text messages, especially for specific people. Like, I can pick 10 people that can text me at any time without my away message hitting them. But I want like an automatic response of I'm not by my phone. Maybe I'll get back to you at some point.

[Baby D]

Isn't that what the little thing on Instagram is now? Isn't that like away message?

[Damaris]

No, that's just free, where you sub. Like, yo ho.

[Baby D]

That's what away messages was. Away messages, always subs.

[Maul]

Yeah, you're both right. Yeah, it's the same.

[Baby D]

Always subs. Girls used to sub you. Why you currently texting them? They changed their away message. I'm like, yo, who else could you be talking about right now. You just changed your way message in the middle of our conversation. Niggas ain't word word. That's your way message.

[Damaris]

And why you letting everybody else know

[Baby D]

that I ain't shit?

[Maul]

And you had to be like, more creative back then because now a girl could just post like a meme to like show to sub somebody. Someone else could write her material and get that feeling off like away messages. You had to type that yourself.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Maul]

And say exactly what you were going through.

[Baby D]

Way messages was cool though. I like that error.

[Maul]

We need automatic out of the office text message.

[Baby D]

They kind of have that though, when you text people. Like, they'll send an automatic text back. Like currently driving or something like that.

[Damaris]

Like they do have though, right?

[Maul]

Oh, that's when like you're in carplay mode and shit like that. Yeah, but I wanted like a custom one that for specific people. Like, I would love to set my phone. I still find it odd. I've been doing this for 10 years at the same time and people still think they could call me when we're recording. Neither here nor there, but I wish I could just set something like, I'm recording. I'll get back to you when I can.

[Damaris]

Well, see, that's what my. My location. Like, you know how you can set custom locations When I'm here, my location says in front of this God forsaken mic, people who have my location will go look at my location and still call me. And I'm like, I'm literally at work. Like, do you want to be on the episode? I don't, but yeah.

[Maul]

Okay, but even like, cool, I hear you, but I'm. I don't want to give, like everyone I ever worked with my location. Like, Loiyon knows our recording schedule for some reason, just tends to ignore it all the time. And sometimes he makes me nervous while we're recording. Like, hey, your Chase account just exploded. And like, he knows I'm recording. And like, question mark. I'm like, I'll get back to you in five hours.

[Damaris]

Yo, what is people's obsession with starting arguments with you when they know you in front of them? Like, a nigga will wait all day. The moment one o' clock hit, he know I'm sitting in front of his mic. He texts, why are you trying to fight with me right before I get in front of this fucking mic? I do not understand that shit. People do that shit all the time. You know that. And for my job.

[Baby D]

Like, yeah, but that's because you give the wrong men Access, I'm saying that's your problem. You got to start there. It starts at the top. It starts with you, baby.

[Maul]

It's the.

[Damaris]

Ooh.

[Baby D]

See what I'm saying?

[Damaris]

Snake rocks from the head.

[Baby D]

Exactly. See what I'm saying? Why are you giving him access to you?

[Maul]

Yeah. You're a reflection of the energy.

[Baby D]

Yeah. You don't need that energy.

[Damaris]

Right, Mom?

[Baby D]

That's going now. That's throwing you all off. You giving the wrong reviews on music now and all of that.

[Maul]

Like, you just start saying, I agree with everything Kanye said.

[Baby D]

Like, you know what I'm saying? You just start doing awesome.

[Damaris]

Bully was trash.

[Maul]

Yeah, like you.

[Baby D]

He throwing you all off yours. Come on, now. I can't let that happen.

[Maul]

Right?

[Damaris]

Me and mom matched today. He called me today and asked me what color I was wearing.

[Maul]

I told him, you got through the

[Baby D]

dnd, I got through the D. Did

[Maul]

you have to hit the alert Anyways, and it makes the message go like this.

[Baby D]

Yeah, I just had to see what, baby, like, what you wearing today. All right, cool.

[Maul]

I mean, me and Peach, we try to do the same. Yeah.

[Baby D]

The whites got the whites. The whites, you know, with the white arms out. That's what's up.

[Maul]

I mean, Ryan's got a little of your Godspeed flair going on, but, you know, just the Asian version.

[Baby D]

DJ Banana every that put on God

[Damaris]

speed think he a gossip.

[Maul]

That should be.

[Baby D]

I don't think I'm Godsend, so.

[Maul]

No, you don't think you're Godsend?

[Damaris]

No.

[Maul]

Lucifer definitely me to see.

[Baby D]

Yo, why the marriage? You try to paint me like that? Yo, you try to pay me like, the worst kind of. What you mean Lucifer sent me? You mean Came from the pits of Hell? Was like, I want you to wreak havoc on the Bronx. Like, you think it was me? Yo, that's crazy.

[Maul]

Like, what are you saying about Mal's mom?

[Baby D]

I'm one of the most, like, progressive guys from my neighborhood. Like me.

[Maul]

Come on. I'm glad you added from your neighborhood at the end of. Oof. Yeah, the whole room just got really.

[Baby D]

From my neighborhood. Yeah.

[Maul]

And, like, you should probably apologize to his. His sister, too.

[Baby D]

She was right there, side by side. Yeah, but you think Lucifer sent me and not her?

[Damaris]

Yeah, the demonic spirit didn't infiltrate her.

[Maul]

Isn't there some. Some Bible with the devil angel and they were twins. Yeah,

[Baby D]

one of those statues. Can't remember which one it is. One of those chapters in there.

[Maul]

Anyways, I know Damaris, you did not see because you were on dnd, but we did drop the. The Yay live stream link in the recording chat last night? Did you watch, did you watch the Kanye show or.

[Damaris]

No?

[Maul]

Are you the most progressive person in your neighborhood? So you could not.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I was definitely. Well, no, I live in Bedside. I am not the most progressive person in my neighborhood. But I didn't see it. How was it?

[Maul]

I mean, it was Kanye. It was incredible.

[Baby D]

Yeah. As much as I. I keep trying

[Maul]

to find ways to hate him, I'm just, I'm letting y' all know, as

[Baby D]

much as I really don't rock with Kanye with things he said in the past couple years, but, like, he's still

[Maul]

a great artist, he finds, like, the simplest things to make. So, like, how. How come no one's thought about standing on top of the world and making it LED screens?

[Baby D]

Well, this was kind of sort of what they did with the, the concert that him and Drake did. It's just more elevated. But that was kind of the vibe of, you know, them standing on top of what we thought was like the moon or something.

[Maul]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I forgot that whole thing.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Maul]

But yeah, I thought it was me. More similar to the Mexico City one. And it was, you know, different set. It was very, very Kanye esque, though, of stopping Good Life four times to tell his dj. I'm sorry, not the dj, the lighting guy. Stop putting these lights on me.

[Baby D]

Yeah, the strobes.

[Maul]

Like, you know that guy, you know that guy was front of house having a panic attack because I don't think he purposely kept putting those lights on. I don't think he knew how to turn them off. So every time Kanye started, they went back on. You know, you'll imagine, because lighting people, I'm sure fuck ups happen all the time, like in any other profession. But to have one of the biggest artists that's ever lived stop his concert four times and you're sitting there front of house with your little earmuffs on and people are screaming in your ear.

[Baby D]

Right.

[Maul]

Can you imagine that anxiety attack that you would have?

[Baby D]

My thing is they didn't have like, because it felt like they didn't rehearse that, that it was kind of like he gave them the direction of the mood he wanted the lights he wanted and maybe just gave like.

[Maul]

No, he said verbatim after the fourth restart. We went over this in rehearsals.

[Baby D]

Oh, so then there you go, I'm wrong.

[Maul]

He said, is this an SNL skit? Like, is someone really with me right now? Yeah, they went through in rehearsals. And mind you, I'm just a Novice. I didn't even really see the difference.

[Baby D]

Once he started.

[Maul]

I think there were lights only Kanye could see.

[Baby D]

Yeah, you, I want to say, you know, that's only a Kanye.

[Maul]

I didn't, I didn't see the difference. Once he was okay with it. I was like, well, what they changed.

[Baby D]

Kanye is so maniacal and so, you know, meticulous with his shit that he would notice if one light bulb was out.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Like, he would be like, now it's thrown the whole, like nobody else in the arena, in the stadium, nobody knows. Nobody can see this one light bulb that's not flickering the way ye would want it to. And he's gonna stop the entire show to say, listen, this is not what we rehearsed.

[Maul]

Listen. I mean, either way, it was a great performance.

[Baby D]

Yeah, production wise, it was great. I think they have some things to tweak with the audio a little bit on certain songs, like with the, with the auto tune and things like that.

[Maul]

I think so. I think it might be a live stream thing because I hear you, they on the Mexico City one, it fucked up a few times as well. I don't know if they're hearing that at the actual show. I just don't know if the line from whatever tune they're using with that microphone that's in house is going to the stream. If it's also going, like, maybe just one mic is going to the stream, whereas it should be both, because, yeah, I hear that fucked up a few times.

[Baby D]

You think Kanye wouldn't, wouldn't have that in order?

[Maul]

I mean, I agree with you, but it happened in the Mexico City one too. And I've seen that with other people that have like live stream shows before. Sometimes whatever effect they're throwing on just doesn't make it to the stream for some reason. That's how they've exposed a couple artists for how they actually sound. You streaming this, this Christmas time show? Nah, this ain't next on stream.

[Baby D]

What about Kanye though? Like. Like he's been through the highest of the highs and the lowest of the lows when it comes to celebrity and just being in the tabloids and headlines. But what is it about him to where he can pack out the Sofi stadium like that after even going through all of that being, quote unquote, canceled and, you know, losing some of the biggest deals ever and partnerships and brands and things like that to still have over a million people in the queue to get tickets to a show and to pack the Sofi stadium, which is probably his. I think that Was his first one in the US in a while. Right? His first.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Concert.

[Maul]

It's been a minute.

[Baby D]

Is he the. Is he the biggest artist in the world currently? Yeah.

[Damaris]

No.

[Maul]

Yeah. I don't like. Well, how would you gauge that?

[Baby D]

I mean, being canceled, the way he's

[Maul]

been canceled, like Taylor, he's never successfully been canceled.

[Baby D]

Yeah, I mean, what do you mean by successfully been canceled?

[Damaris]

We've had that cancellation, like successfully.

[Baby D]

Well, your fans don't cancel you. I'm on the side of that. I'll down that hill. Your fans do not cancel you.

[Damaris]

But even your fans like Kanye, even. I don't even wanna just say fans, the community that you come from and that supports you outside of the slavery as a choice shit. He never really did anything to like really be canceled by them. Like, like the jewels was never really like the bit like who was holding Kanye's career up.

[Maul]

He did get success. Not successfully canceled forever, but a cancellation did happen. When you say, I could say anti semitic things and Adidas won't drop me. And then Adidas, which you just made a billion, why you're a billionaire, was with your Adidas deal and they drop you.

[Damaris]

Kanye the fashion designer might have gotten canceled. Kanye the artist did not get canceled.

[Maul]

Oh, well, I mean, clearly, clearly you're

[Damaris]

selling off Kanye the artist.

[Maul]

So by stadium you're not canceled.

[Damaris]

No, no. So in the fashion world, Kanye might still be canceled. He will probably deal with the fallout of that for the rest of his life. Business wise.

[Maul]

The amount of money he made off he did that commercial for the Super Bowl. Not this year. The year before that still. Yeah, a few years before that. The amount of product he sold was. I think it made him a billionaire again.

[Damaris]

Yeah. But what I'm saying is as far as the type of deal he had with Adidas, he may not see that type of deal str structured again because of whatever powers may be that he might have offended.

[Baby D]

Right.

[Maul]

I also think he wants different type of feeling.

[Damaris]

Kanye, the artist, when it comes to his music, was not in danger of cancellation. Not even just from his fans, but just from a cultural standpoint. The people he really, really, really, really offended didn't. That wasn't. No, it wasn't.

[Maul]

They weren't gonna buy bully anyways.

[Damaris]

Yeah, exactly.

[Maul]

I guess.

[Baby D]

Why?

[Maul]

I'll ask. When you say biggest artists in the world, you have to lean on numbers, unfortunately with that. But like, it's tough to say. 117 units first week is incredible. Especially with absolutely no promo pushbacks. This and that. That's so hard to do, to just throw out an album and do that. But I mean, you still have Taylor Swift in the world. Like if you're going off sheer numbers. Yeah, it's. I mean, it's Taylor and it's kind of not close. Like by numbers. Bad Bunny is bigger. But you can't erase a 22 year career. That's why you can make the argument, in my opinion, that Kanye could still be the biggest artist out because you have 22 years attached to it. That's why you can sell out the stadium. He's been part of our lives for 22 years in a very important way when it comes to this music. And people want to see that.

[Baby D]

Yeah, I mean, I get it when you say numbers. I know obviously what Bad Bunny does, what Taylor Swift does, but I just think coming from our culture and what Kanye is able to do and the things that he's been through and was able to still climb over and still get to a point where he sells out Sofi Stadium and you know, Yeah, I think that speaks to the artist, the power and the magnitude of ye. Like he's. I mean, there's not many people I know that can do outside of the obvious, that can go through what he's been through and still sell out and put on the show like he did last night at so far Stadium. There's not many artists that could do that.

[Maul]

I mean, I mean, now doing Wireless fest headline in three days, and I know we briefly spoke about it, but again, how. What? Not making a Kanye Drake thing. I'm just making a Kanye thing. He's one of the most petty human beings on earth that does obsess over people. And what Drake did with Wireless Fest, with all the people he brought out, he put on an incredible. Three different incredible shows that week. I'd like Kanye might show us the first real alien on stage. I think he's gonna make this one of the most important performances of his career. One, because he's petty. Two, because he's back outside. He's doing all these other kind of like pop up type shows. I think that's gonna kind of be Kanye's wave for the next few years of just these huge pop up shows. Wireless is gonna really, I think, set the precedent for all of that. Because to the some people that like maybe feel like, oh, I'm off Kanye, he'll give you a reminder, he'll remind you, oh yeah, I do like this guy.

[Baby D]

Yeah, he'll throw those records on.

[Maul]

22 years of my life. Have just Been consumed by this guy's catalog.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Maul]

They are the same dates as the Jay Z shows. I think that's honestly just like, a coincidence. I don't. Wireless was going to be wild. You think Jay did it because he knew Kanye was doing wireless?

[Baby D]

No.

[Damaris]

You think yay. Did it because he knew Jay was doing Yankee.

[Maul]

Well, wireless is gonna have their date set before they even get the headline.

[Damaris]

Exactly.

[Maul]

Yeah, but I don't even know if. If I would have known.

[Damaris]

Ma, don't just smirk speak.

[Baby D]

I know. I'm letting Rory talk right now. I wasn't going to over talk him.

[Maul]

I don't. I don't know. Jay Z. Like, you know Jay Z. Tell me. I don't know.

[Baby D]

I don't think this is a coincidence.

[Maul]

Okay.

[Damaris]

On whose part?

[Baby D]

Kanye.

[Maul]

You think it was an incentive to take the wireless dates because they aligned with what Jay was doing at Yankees

[Baby D]

dating 1 million percent Interesting. Jay New to the Yankee dates. You don't think Kanye found out the Yankee dates before the world did?

[Maul]

Oh, I'm sure he has the ability to do so for sure. But you. So you think that was the sole reason? Like, all right, fuck it, I'll do it. Because wireless. Because I'm sure wireless has sent out an offer to Kanye every year. Like, they send out offers to every. A lister. Usually are met with no. Until it's the right timing. Coachella, all the big ones do the same thing. So you think he got his. His usual wireless fest offer that his team always gets every year and said, what's Jay doing?

[Baby D]

Not what's Jay doing? But once they get wind that Jay is doing Yankee Stadium, I mean, and then, you know, they see wireless, they like, oh, no, we taking this. Like, yeah, we're doing it. Like, Kanye's definitely, definitely. There's. That's not a coincidence. There's no way that that's a coincidence. I don't have some secret information that I'm not sharing, but I'm just saying there's no way that those dates lined up like that. And these two artists who obviously, you know, have history, know each other. Obviously Kanye has said some things that we all know. He's fallen out of the good graces of Jay in the last couple years. Like, there's. There's a. There's a statement that Kanye is trying to make.

[Maul]

I mean, but it's a. Like, for festivals, period. It's a popular week. Like, it's. It's right after the Fourth of July holiday. Like, it's everything you're saying it's not like some rant like, these dates have always been a big thing for festival.

[Baby D]

Everything you're saying is right. You're saying everything right. You're not saying anything wrong. Rory, I want you to understand that I. Thank you, but if you think that this is not. If you think this is a coincidence. Cut the shit, bro. This is not a fucking coincidence.

[Maul]

Which one are you tuning into? Well, I mean, you'll be stadium, but

[Baby D]

I'm just saying, like, there is a thing now where people are like, damn, Like, I ain't gonna lie though. Like, London, wireless, Kanye, three nights. People are entertaining it.

[Maul]

As far as live streams go, it's not even close to me. I will be watching. If Jay Z does live stream the Yankee Stadium dates, all three, I will be watching and then I'll catch Kanye's replay. If they end up with the time, I don't know how the times will. It's what, six hour difference? Oh, yeah. So never mind. He was. Oh, yeah. I can do both. Yeah.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Maul]

Dedicate every day, though. Who you think, oh, we gotta rent out like a movie theater or something for three days? That would be fun.

[Damaris]

Who you think? I had a better show.

[Maul]

Jay Z.

[Baby D]

Something about Jay at Yankee Stadium is just special. Like, I mean, Kanye is kind of. He's gonna put on a hell of a show as well with wireless. But Jay at Yankee Stadium, like, it. I mean, it doesn't get more New York than that. Like, that's like. You know what I mean? Like, are you kidding me? Like, the only thing bigger than that is if they. If the fucking Dodgers were still in Brooklyn and Jay did that stadium, like, that would be the only thing bigger than Jay Yankee Stadium.

[Maul]

I mean, Kanye's going to have the better production of a show for sure. But to see, I don't know, Beyonce

[Baby D]

might be back there cooking something up for hov.

[Maul]

Well, I mean, Kanye might be.

[Baby D]

She might be in control of the lights and the motherfucking, you know, aesthetics.

[Maul]

Well, I mean, act like, you know

[Baby D]

me, Cowboy Card ain't going to be in the building. Like, she might be right in that motherfucking control pit. Like, Light Shawn on the left.

[Maul]

But also, I mean, Kanye is the reason every single A list rappers stepped up their live show. Jay Z included, Jay Z included. The difference between Jay Z's shows that I saw before Kanye west was Kanye west, and then after, yeah, everyone saw Glow in the Dark tour and said, damn, now, rapper. Now as rappers, we got to do this shit. I thought that was just for the pop stars. Now A list rappers you got to put on a show. So I do think Jay Z has great live shows now and puts a lot of effort into the production, more than he used to. But he's not beating Kanye when it comes to. To stage hands.

[Baby D]

Like, no, JJ is not going to be walking on the moon, but that's just not him.

[Maul]

But he also has reasonable doubt in its totality in center field. Like, that by itself is why I think it'll just be a better show because it's like something we've never seen. Whereas if Kanye's what I've seen Kanye walk literally from London to LA in one song. I've seen him walk around the entire world. So, yeah, no, Kanye is a.

[Baby D]

He's. Come on, we. Visually, he's one of the greatest artists we've ever had. We know that. But I do think that Jay is going to step up his production for the Shanky Stadium.

[Maul]

For sure.

[Baby D]

I think it's going to be a different. A different level.

[Maul]

I mean, even what he did. Do you think he'll have any of, like, the tricks? When we. When he headlined Made in America, he was at the main stage and then he got off, which we thought the show was over, and he took a golf cart behind the whole and ended up on one of the side stages on the other side of the festival. And of course, in retrospect, no one thought about stampedes. Thank God nobody was hurt. But yeah, once you started hearing HOV doing Escarter collection mixtape records on the other side of the fairgrounds, everyone just started dead sprinting to that. Like, I thought those kind of tricks are cool.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Maul]

Like, is he gonna be in the dugout? Is he gonna sit behind home plate,

[Baby D]

top of the stadium? He gonna be on. He gonna. He gonna. He gonna come in on top of the 4 train to the state.

[Maul]

You're gonna be by my uncle Brian's ashes, subway surfing.

[Baby D]

He definitely goes subway surf for sure.

[Maul]

That would be hilarious. Having hoe ride the back of the train like that.

[Baby D]

No, on top of the train. On the back. No, back of the train. Put me on top of this. Pulling 161st Street. Walk down the steps into the state. I could see that. I could definitely see that happening.

[Maul]

I can definitely see that.

[Baby D]

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[Damaris]

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[Maul]

Did you see the. The Cam clip? I. I thought I knew all the HOV entendres.

[Baby D]

I did see the fan.

[Maul]

I don't even feel like a hip hop fan anymore.

[Baby D]

Now Cam said that he feels like the bar in Otis was directed towards him. Run up on Yeezy the wrong way, I might murk you. Asylum can be purchased because he was distributed by Asylum Records at the time.

[Maul]

And he also said Flee in the G460. Flee is cam.

[Baby D]

Flea is Cam. But Flea also means to get away. I understand the entendres. This is Jay Z we talking about. So there's many layers. I just don't know if I'm 100% on board that that was directed towards him. I don't know.

[Damaris]

It's giving Hit dog hollering like, I

[Baby D]

don't think it's interesting because as a rapper, as an emcee, Cam is right. He has to think about that. He has to, because this is Jay and we know the entendres and we know how he, you know, he plays on words and things like that. So it's not. It's not far fetched what Cam is saying. I'm just saying. I don't know if I'm on the side of Cam saying, like, yeah, nah, that's a fact. Like, that was. That was a shot at him.

[Maul]

Okay. If they were, they were just dissing Kanye that month. Run up on Yeezy the way, the wrong way. I might murk you. So we're setting that part up of somebody that would be doing some type of harm to him. Flee Cam's nickname in the G4. 550. I might surface. What's political refugee?

[Baby D]

What's a political refugee?

[Maul]

Diplomat. Asylum can be purchased. Diplomatic immunity. He's signed to Asylum at the top. That's 1,000% about camp. And that's why. That's why sometimes I wish I. Like, we always joke because we, like, know rappers and rappers have different ears. Like, I wish I could hear all the things that rappers hear with those subs because only Cam would get that. Cause he. He's a rapper and they were beefing, dog. I never caught any of that.

[Baby D]

But why would. My thing is, why would Cam bring that up so many years later?

[Damaris]

Cause somebody asked him, do you think Jay ever dished, Ever subbed you?

[Baby D]

Ah, okay.

[Maul]

Yeah, he was just asked that. But yeah, I mean, the way he breaks it down, I don't think it's a hit. I don't think Jay was, like, trying to publicly, publicly disc Cam. I think he just had wordplay in his head and laughed and said, I'll tie in a little Cam shot in there. Then that only he will get the

[Baby D]

funny shit is if he was to ask Jada, he would look at you like, and probably wouldn't even respond. But he'd just give you a look like, you really think what you think? Heck, yeah. Like, yeah. I mean, it's a lie. That's the only one y' all found. Like, okay, find the other one.

[Damaris]

Now everybody about to be combing through Jay Z lyrics, putting two and three together.

[Baby D]

But that's just how. That's how he. Because he's not. Because Jay understands what it would be if he just flat out said, cam, run up on Yeezy the wrong way. I might murk you now. That's a Little like, that's corny. You understand what I'm saying? But to tailor it that way, it's like, oh, shit. Okay, that was fly. Because you're not gonna get that now, Cam, because obviously he knows he would hear some things behind the scenes, and you know what I mean, he probably heard that way before, caught that line way before we did, you know what I mean? Because he knows that was directed at him because of some personal shit that was happening. But, yeah, that's the type of rapper that Jay is. If he's gonna go at you, it's not gonna be so direct all the time. I think that's. That's like a. A. A skill in itself to be able to design a verse, a bar like that where people can't get it, like, right away, it takes some years. And it's like, oh, shit. He was going at this verse.

[Maul]

And I mean, if you just look at those bars, the fact of putting all those four elements into it, it had, like. Now it has to be about Cam. I can't look at that bar and not think it's about Game at that. But it's too ironic that all four of those things would be tied in together and it not be about cam' Ron and Dipset. And, like, Jay's always did that with Dipset. Like, when Jimmy was going at him, it wasn't a direct diss, but started out the Flex Freestyle. I'm so independent, yo, I might buy Koch. Jimmy was on Cops. Like, he would throw little shots like that. Like, I'm not gonna directly diss you at this point, but I could own the company that you're signed to if you want to play it that way.

[Baby D]

And you now work for me.

[Maul]

Yeah, I think Jimmy heard that line and was like, all right, that was a shot at me.

[Baby D]

Yeah. I'm not mad at camp for exposing that, but it's witty, it's slick, it's clever. I like that in rap. That's what's missing.

[Damaris]

I love when people give me another reason to love Jay Z. Hate the dick ride, but I love when people.

[Baby D]

What did she just say?

[Damaris]

I hate to dick ride, but, you know, they're gonna. They're gonna say I'm a dick rider, but, well, you.

[Baby D]

You're a woman, so that's not disrespectful.

[Damaris]

It still is. Well, somebody calls you a dick rider as a woman, it still is disrespectful.

[Baby D]

Is it?

[Damaris]

Yes, ma.

[Baby D]

Oh, okay. I didn't know.

[Maul]

But it's accurate anyway.

[Baby D]

More accurate, right?

[Damaris]

No, I love any reason to love Jay Z more. Like, I love that. Like, even all these years, I'm still getting more reasons.

[Maul]

Like, no, that oldest part.

[Damaris]

Pick the right horse.

[Maul]

Well, are you here to defend your. Your. I don't want to say your other horse because that's like super disrespectful. But Meek is your guy. You're currently. Right now, Meek is going back and forth. It's a lot going on. That's. That's your man's. I am here early in our friendship, one of our biggest debates was. Was Meek. I love Meek, but I think history. History showed that my argument was correct at that time.

[Damaris]

What was your argument?

[Maul]

You said he was gonna clean Drake up.

[Damaris]

Don't do that. I remember when we were on the phone, what happened?

[Maul]

Yes, yes. I remember when we were on the phone, I said, are you out of your motherfucking mind already?

[Damaris]

I hate Drake narrative.

[Maul]

So do not let's. You don't hate Drake.

[Damaris]

Accurate. That's not what I said. What I said was that Meeks diss. I was looking forward to Meeks diss and that it was not as bad as people made it out to be. That's what I said.

[Maul]

No, we were all.

[Damaris]

I never said he won that battle or anything like that.

[Baby D]

Which week?

[Damaris]

This the one that Flex kept dropping bombs on. Dude, does anybody have the whole thing?

[Maul]

Flex didn't even have it. He pump faked and said he had it.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah, that's what it was.

[Baby D]

But just during the Meek and Drake thing, after.

[Maul]

After Back to Back was out and me and Damaris were on the phone and I know Damaris to be a huge Meek fan. So I was just fucking with her and she was like, nah, just wait. It's Meek. And remember that narrative. And I hope this doesn't sound disrespectful to me.

[Damaris]

Because he's a battle rapper.

[Maul]

Because he's a battle rapper. That was the.

[Baby D]

Oh, my God, they punk bump that heavy.

[Maul]

And I was.

[Damaris]

That was. That.

[Maul]

Yeah, I was saying, yo, of course I've seen the DVDs. I've seen the dirty braids in the street. I've never. I'm not from Philly. I've never seen Meek battle. So I never understood that. Now trying to tell Damaris, like, how, you know he a battle rapper. I've never seen a battle in my life. She said, nah, he's gonna come. He's gonna come with a. A bomb. And I said, he's about to use this same jello beat snare and just Rap about some. And that's exactly what the he did.

[Baby D]

I'm gonna be honest, I don't even remember the Meek song. The Undertaker.

[Maul]

I will say War Pain after that was really good. Meek did have one really good Beef record in that Drake back and forth. And I don't want to make this a on Meek thing because everything Meek said today, I completely agree with him. I, I think there has been a campaign against Meek in the media. I think he does it to himself sometimes. But Charlamagne going out and saying that Meek was never the same after the Drake battle is just absurd. His. His fault. His best album was post Drake beef. Multiple platinum singles like Meek was fine afterships. Of course it was. Yeah, he was clown on the Internet for a while and he took a little time. But I think the best part of Meek's career was post Drake battle. His best music in my opinion.

[Baby D]

Yeah, I'm not mad at that album.

[Damaris]

I don't, I don't know about best music in totality, but best album for sure. Best project.

[Maul]

Yeah. And I mean he, he has some,

[Baby D]

he has some good records after that though. Hell yeah. The LMA joint.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

No he didn't.

[Maul]

Oh no.

[Damaris]

He.

[Maul]

He went on his Instagram and we don't have to read the entire thing but he just, he just.

[Baby D]

You see. So when Meek says. So I want to make this a main post to highlight. I had already who's, who's. Who's tweeting for Meek.

[Maul]

You can just start at Sense the Drake Beef because it's just a lot of unnecessary stuff.

[Baby D]

Yeah, but it's like the spelling. This ain't Meek though. This ain't for Meek's thumbs, man. Like give Meek back his phone since Drake Beef I dropped. Oh, this might be him.

[Damaris]

Hold on.

[Maul]

Yeah, no, this part says Drake Beef.

[Baby D]

I drop tap 3 times Platinum PETA double Platinum Blue Notes 1 and 2 Platinum Uptown Vibes with Legend from Brooklyn Fab Platinum what's free featuring Jay Z, Meek Mill I think is platinum Fuck on Me featuring Cardi B Platinum Scarface Rick Ross gold Independent money Respect the game Platinum 247 Double Platinum Dangerous Platinum or double I don't collect plaques Championships albums like double platinum expensive paying gold and it wasn't marketed correctly leaving labels Cybertruck. 5am in Philly how far we came he actually switched up on Drake because he helped power the Meek was done, narrative was done. Now he's using the same against Drake. Drake good with me and Jay Z keep me out this weak ass shit. I had a meeting with a 16Z found a lot of new text deals and activations just from playing around tweeting. I forgot. Proud of me. I'm a feature. I'm a feature. Almost platinum. Okay. 1942 flows. Platinum. Whatever you need. Platinum.

[Maul]

I feel for you trying to read this.

[Baby D]

Yeah. Not. Not me. Still tweeting. That's still. That's still in his hands right there.

[Maul]

But no, Meek is correct. I. I hope it didn't sound like I was having any Meek hate, because when I saw that Charlamagne brilliant idiots clip, I'm like, maybe Charlemagne just didn't pay attention. I don't know how you could even come to that conclusion when Meek. Some of Meek's biggest records outside of Dreams and Nightmares came post the Drake battle.

[Baby D]

So Charlamagne said that Meek never recovered from the Drake beef.

[Maul]

Yeah. And he. He walked his take back on Breakfast Club this morning. Like, we didn't watch the clip and can't verify exactly what he said. He was trying to say, oh, I wasn't talking about music. You were. I watched the clip. You were talking about music plus other things. And some of those other things, I do agree with him.

[Damaris]

What were the other things?

[Maul]

Meek. Meek definitely didn't help with a lot of the Twitter slander with what he would tweet moving forward. Like, all of us, I felt like wanted to see me come back after the Drake beef. And everyone was like, you should just stop with the social media because you had like this. This aura that you believed as well. Before we got like, I don't mean this in a bad way. We got to know Meek more because of Twitter and because of that battle and it just allowed the Internet to clown him. Because I don't think Meek, even though he's the greatest tweeter of all time, doesn't know how the Internet works. Like, he didn't know if you just tweet that in his head. Him saying these things is a flex. Not knowing the Internet is going to clown you for your flex and make fun of you for the next six months. He didn't know how to control those narratives. So I agree with Charlamagne. He definitely made some mistakes being too public at that time, but the music was hitting. But who in the world didn't love championships hit records on it? Features were nuts. Like you cannot say musically. Meek fell off.

[Baby D]

That was definitely his best album for sure.

[Damaris]

But I don't agree that Meek's tweets in the. The reveal of his. Of his Persona hurt him. I don't think that I think that Meek's career musically was always going to be Meek's career musically. I don't think his tweets or anything has done anything to affect that. I think, if anything, the way us making fun of Meek and his tweets has actually made him more lovable. I don't think that it's hurt him.

[Baby D]

I don't think it's hurt him at all.

[Damaris]

I don't think it's hurt him at all. I think it's kept him relevant longer than he would have been just off music alone.

[Maul]

That's a fair point. You and I have always debated. All right. At this point, is Meek just leaning into that Persona?

[Damaris]

No, I don't think he's leaning in, but I do think that it makes him more lovable, honestly, I think.

[Maul]

But I guess even right at that moment, hilarious.

[Damaris]

Like when Maul's reading that, that's like when artists show. So some artists can have mystique, and mystique will work for them. Right? Beyonce, Jay Z. I think you have to have a certain level of insurmountable talent for the mystique to work for you. Unless you know how to manipulate the mystique around a lack of talent, which a lot of people do that as well. I think with Meek, who is a talented GU guy, not the most talented, but he is a talented guy. But because he does tend to be a little repetitive in his music sometimes. And he, you know, he has really good stuff that is creative, but he does tend to be a little repetitive. That's some complaints that we've had about his music. I think when you have a personality like that, it makes people love you more. I think you have to show more of yourself, because being. Being a mystique with that and then putting out some of the music that he's put out, Nobody's talking about you.

[Baby D]

I think he went through some stuff, obviously, business wise, label wise. That kind of, like, hurt his trajectory to what Damaris is saying. I think musically, I don't think Meek evolved enough. You know, I mean, I think Meek is who he is. I don't think that, you know, he's trying to be anybody else, which is. I'm fine with that. But I think that just musically, his sound, it didn't. It didn't up the level at all. It didn't go to another level. I think it's been kind of the same. Meek, he's been consistent in his sound and in his music. And I think that on top of label stuff, I think that kind of you know, leveled out his trajectory. But I don't think it. I don't think that what Charlamagne is saying, like, he never recovered. I wouldn't say he didn't recover. I just don't think musically, Meek just elevated onto another level. And then again, he went through shit with the labels and said he was gonna put music out, didn't put no music out. And it was like. It was. It was a lot of that. But it wasn't that he didn't recover from the Drake battle.

[Maul]

And I mean, even to your point there, I feel like if you say now Meek, I don't like the term, has fallen off because Meek could easily just come back because he's a talented artist. But I would say more of the Drop happened with Expensive Pain. It wasn't my favorite Meek album. And to your point as well, the label fucked it all up. But just musically, it wasn't my. My shit when it came to Meek. But that was far after any Drake beef. Like, I don't. I don't connect Expensive Pain of that, that drop to the Drake beef because it was years him and Drake had a number one record between that. Yeah. So if you could make a case of a Meek drop off, it had nowhere near the Drake beef way after.

[Baby D]

Yeah. So again, it had nothing to do with that.

[Maul]

I just didn't like that Charles may try to walk it back to say he wasn't talking about music when he's. You can clearly tell he's talking about the music in that.

[Baby D]

That.

[Maul]

That clip. It's okay. Be like, oh, yeah, I forgot I had my timelines wrong. I forgot all that happened after the Drake beat.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Maul]

Which I up timelines before.

[Damaris]

I was gonna say, when you talk for a living, you talk so much. Sometimes you're gonna say some. That you just be playing out wrong and you gotta come back and say, I was playing out wrong.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Maul]

Like, I forgot how that went.

[Baby D]

Yeah, the music doesn't stick with you and you don't really. Again, timelines get lost and you're like, oh, that was after that.

[Maul]

Like, yeah.

[Baby D]

So, yeah, no, Charlemagne, he was definitely talking about musically, like, we're not gonna do that.

[Maul]

Yeah. Will you go on Ebro's show since he's having a hard time booking guests.

[Baby D]

Ebro Ero don't with me.

[Maul]

Yeah, you do.

[Baby D]

No, you don't.

[Maul]

You don't think he broke with you?

[Baby D]

No.

[Maul]

Did I miss something? I. As much as I pay attention, I do miss a lot of stuff. I mean, I know he'll like throw some LOLs in our. Our comments. But you think there's, like, an actual real thing with you it's not real?

[Baby D]

Because I don't know. I don't know Ebro like, personally like that. So it's not real. But no, he bro with me. He don't want me on this platform. You don't think so? Nah.

[Maul]

Okay.

[Baby D]

Ebro better not. Ebro can't have me on this platform because me and Ebro have a conversation that'll shake this whole up.

[Maul]

That'd be great.

[Baby D]

I'm gonna ask him some direct.

[Maul]

I would love that.

[Baby D]

Like, no, I ain't saying it here, but I would like to have a conversation with Ebro off mic too, though.

[Maul]

Listen, we could do the. The same things before. Me and Rosenberg could sit at the desk and ask the questions, and you and you guys could have debate.

[Baby D]

Let's do it. Let's do it. I. With Ebro, I don't have nothing against Ebro. I don't know him personally like that, but I fuck with him. But there's some things that I would like to ask Ebro. I would love to have a conversation with Ebro.

[Maul]

Okay. I mean, well, this clip went viral mainly because people, I think, have just been preying on the downfall of Ebro. But I can't lie, as much as I. I support their show. And really, Rosenberg and I'm cool with Ebro and love Laura. Yeah. This clip is kind of nuts. You guys set. It's going viral for a reason. You guys set yourself up for everyone that's been waiting for your downfall because you were with what they deemed the machine. Even though Hot 97 is not like an I heart type of thing. They were Ms. Communications, whatever. People still view them as a machine. And he bro was saying it's been hard to book guests now that they no longer have the Hot 97 logo with them. People he's known for 30 years are like, yeah, just send me. Send me a deck about your show. I'll see if my artist can get on there. And they're having, you know, trouble booking guests in a different way. But, I mean, they come from a radio station that had somebody whole career dedicated to booking guests for y'.

[Damaris]

All.

[Maul]

Yeah, welcome. Welcome to the mud. It's rough.

[Baby D]

Yeah, but that. I mean, is he bro surprised, though? He knows. He knows this is. Is fickle, man. He knows how this. This music business goes.

[Maul]

Probably. I think with some of the older relationships that he has, whether it be like, with label people, I can see him finding it odd. There. But I don't think that they thought he was just about to get every guest in the world because he was on Hot 97 for that long. Like, every artist, I mean, especially the younger artists that are not from New York, which is a majority of them, don't have, like, a crazy incentive to have to go to Hot 97. But it is part of a major label rollout. But if you don't even have the Hot 97 thing, why would a younger artist care to go to your platform? And I'm not on their platform. It just started. I think a lot of the artists think, like, when they talk to their publicist, like, yeah, I watch Breakfast. Like, I've been watching Breakfast Club since I was in middle school. Like, it's a thing with. With us. We want to go on Hot 97 because it's what we grew up on. And you take that away.

[Baby D]

I.

[Maul]

There's just not an incentive for an artist to go.

[Baby D]

I get what you're saying. Because that. That is something that you grow up wondering. If it's Hot 97, if it's, you know, whatever the. The radio station or the brand is. You've watched it for so long, it' of your DNA to an extent.

[Maul]

Whoever was up there, we would've went. It didn't matter who was up there.

[Baby D]

It was just. But to. What I think Ebro is saying, too, is just that when you have the people that made it what it was over the last few years and now we've gone and we've started our own thing, I just think the conversation is different. Cause these are real music people. These are real music heads. So I think Ebro would think that people would still want to sit and talk with him because he knows what he's talking about. Yeah. You know, he's been around the music business. He's been in the music business. He's been at radio. So, you know, the conversation is just a little different when you sit down with him and Rosenberg and Laura, because they've been a part of it for so long and watched a lot of these artists, you know, throughout the years, watch their careers grow, watch some of them fade away or whatever. So, you know, they have a different point of view on this thing. No matter if the Hot 97 logo is behind them or not, it's still them. It's still who they are and their knowledge of what they're speaking about. I understand Ebro thinking, like, damn, it would have been. Well, him thinking it would have been kind of, like, easier to kind of Book people because it's them still, even though they don't have the logo. And the conversation would be different with them. It would be more music based and not so much gossip or this, that and the third. So I do understand why Ebro's kind of like, damn, we having a hard time. Because yeah, I would think that I still have these contacts. I still know these artists, I still know their managers, I still know their PR people and things like that. Yes, we're no longer at, at Hot 97, but it's still us in this room having this conversation based on the music and the music industry. So I understand Ebro being a little thrown up.

[Damaris]

The purpose of a, of a press run is to get your shit in front of as many eyes as possible.

[Baby D]

No, for sure. And you can still do Hot 97, but then you could still do ERO, Lauren and Rosenberg.

[Damaris]

You only have so much time. So when I'm sure when these people in their PR are looking like, okay, who are you going to do while you're in New York or while you're where forever? And it's gonna be like, okay, well, these people have a certain amount of numbers. These people always have clips that go viral. These people are like legacy, like breakfast club, Hot 97 that you like kind of have to do the radio run. So you only have so much time. You're going to pick what's going to get you in front of the best eyes. And then on top of that, like people are making fun of that might be unprofessional. Y' all are in a different. Y' all aren't all together. Rosenberg, Internet going bad. Like, well, they typically are.

[Maul]

Like I watched the show. They typically are. Yeah, this was a just.

[Damaris]

But like this goes viral, people get busy.

[Maul]

But I. No, I hear, I get.

[Damaris]

No, I get it. We, we all get it. But I'm saying from an outsider's point of view, a music artist who doesn't know media.

[Maul]

Oh yeah. No, I'm saying more on the younger side. I can to what Ma was saying. I can totally see how Ebro or Peter would feel that way for some of the older artists or the older execs like Rosenberg. For a lot of artists, the first time they was ever played on Hot 97 was because of Rosenberg and Ebro. Kendrick has been very vocal that Pete was one of the first people to co sign him. Tyler and Odd Future have said out loud they would have. Hot 97 would have never had Odd Future up on that show if Peter didn't bring them that wasn't like a booker did it. He liked Odd Future. And some of the most classic Odd Future moments ever are from Hot 97. And I guarantee you, I guess. I mean, Ebro was the program director at that time, but nobody was doing that unless Peter Co signed it. So I could see them feeling frustrated with execs saying that type of stuff to them. Like, do you know what I've done for a lot of y' all artists for a very long time?

[Damaris]

Yeah. As a favor. Yeah.

[Maul]

So I. I do get that. But you also have to be realistic in yourself and know you are starting from scratch again. Like, this is a whole new show and not every person is gonna. They're gonna want to see what happens.

[Baby D]

Oh, no, I get that. But it's still. It's still the personalities that make the show.

[Maul]

But there was also plenty of. Of artists that. Like, when we had. When we started our show, of course, there are plenty of artists that we just rocked with already. And if we needed, you know, a favor or to come on the show, they'd come just because we have a relationship with them. But I'm sure there was artists that have come on our show that wanted to give it a few months.

[Baby D]

Oh, yeah.

[Maul]

Now, let me see. Let me see if this. If this works and is worth my time type of thing. And they're. They're, you know, only a month in. They're gonna have to be patient.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Maul]

Even people you with, like, I gotta see. All right. You guys gonna stay consistent what's going on? Like, I would have reservations as an artist and exec with that as well.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Maul]

I think plenty of shows just. Just starting a month and then shits is gone.

[Baby D]

Yeah. I think Ebro is just finding out like, oh, shit. Like, it's a reality check.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Like, yeah, nah, they might fuck with you, but if that logo ain't. If that logo ain't behind you, you know what I'm saying? They like, ah, do I need to go do that? Whereas like Damaris said before, you know, you got that logo, and it's like, this is one of the biggest radio stations in New York City. It's like, people are gonna be inclined to do that. Like, yeah, now we going up there for sure.

[Maul]

But he still has that Apple logo, which to me has been more valuable than the Hot 97 one for quite some time. And that's where I. That's why I was surprised by what he said, because it's all. The music industry is favor for a favor. The PR game is favor for A favor.

[Baby D]

Very fake, very contentious, very.

[Maul]

That's why I don't put emotion into that type of stuff, because I know we. None of us are all us. Not in this room, but none of us are really friends like that. You don't owe me. I'm shocked that that's how he's felt when people are trying to get playlisting.

[Baby D]

Yeah. Yeah, that's true.

[Maul]

Yo, Ebro, what time you record?

[Baby D]

Yeah. Hell yeah.

[Maul]

Yeah. So that's what was interesting. And I don't really have anything after that, but I thought it was interesting because he still is who he is at the second largest streaming platform when it comes to music in the world.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Maul]

Yeah. I think it'd be pretty important to help Ebro again. Favor for a favorite. Yeah. I mean, I think that's just business. That's not even just the music business. That's business.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Maul]

But a lot of this whole workforce works that way.

[Baby D]

I know. This is fake, man. This is a whole bunch of.

[Damaris]

Once people feel like they'll never need a favor again, they don't really feel

[Baby D]

like you ain't hot. Yeah, like, people feel like you ain't hot. Oh, I can't wait. It's. Oh, it's gonna be some on our line.

[Damaris]

I know.

[Baby D]

I can't wait for it. I can't wait.

[Damaris]

Yo, it'd be people I'll be trying to like. We be talking about getting booked. Mall said. Nah, they pass. Never coming back. I'm like, maul. Like, I can understand why. Nah, I be like, all right, bro.

[Baby D]

Nah, I just. I'm sorry. That's just how I am, man.

[Maul]

Years of healing. I stopped taking things personal.

[Baby D]

N. It's not personal. It's business. You know, it's not personal with me. It's. I'm keeping it business. Nah, nah. We good, fam. Catch you on the next one.

[Damaris]

That. But that's not business, Ma.

[Baby D]

It is business. We busy right now. Got mad going on. Magical.

[Maul]

But I mean, I don't with old have, like, associate people. Not like that. Like, I consider Pete a friend. Like, if. If they never even started the show, I would try to help Peter anyway I could if he needed the help. Not that he needs it, but I think it's. It's corny if you actually cool with somebody, and if they're not hot, then you're not with them. That's corny. As to me. But if it's just industry associates, like, I would understand if I have literally nothing to offer you. And the only interactions we've Ever had have been transactional, then I wouldn't expect much from them and I wouldn't much from me.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Maul]

Just. So there was a reason we spoke and it was to benefit both of us. And now if that doesn't happen anymore. Cool. We're not.

[Baby D]

Life goes on a year. Yeah, life goes on.

[Maul]

But then if you have people that are a little bit more than associates in the industry, you should also help them. Everybody has downtime or gets fired or laid off. Like, people can always use help.

[Baby D]

Yeah. But you just got to remember those that, you know, just remember certain things that happened along the way. That's all. I like to just keep a little, you know, I mean, tabs like. Oh, oh, yeah, I remember. And then we could talk about that on.

[Damaris]

On.

[Baby D]

On. On Mike as well. You remember. We was trying to. It was a little. It was a little rough for you around that time. We was trying to still fuck with you and you know what I mean? You kind of gave us the cold shoulder and now you back, I guess.

[Maul]

All right. I don't take things personal, but I do have boundaries. Because there was someone that came across our booking group chat that I've been wanting to talk to and I said he's canceled on us four times like the day of. Like, no.

[Baby D]

Okay.

[Maul]

And that's not a personal. I don't care. I don't. I've actually spoken highly of that gentleman to this day. But you're not about to just like play in our. There has to be boundaries here.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Maul]

You can't keep canceling day of. At this point. Like, that almost feels personal.

[Baby D]

Yeah. When it's like that, then it's like, yeah, come on. Like, what are we doing here? Like, this is stupid.

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[Greg Rosenthal]

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[Maul]

Yeah, the bird looks out of your league.

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[Maul]

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[John Green]

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[Daniel Alarcon]

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[John Green]

Football is a story we've shared for over 30 years since Daniel was the star player on our high school soccer team.

[Daniel Alarcon]

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[John Green]

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[Daniel Alarcon]

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[John Green]

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

40s and free agents.

[Greg Rosenthal]

The games may be over, but the NF never Stops. This is my favorite part of the calendar.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, mine too, Greg. Free agency, the combine, the NFL draft, pro days, trades. This is where teams reshape their future.

[Greg Rosenthal]

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

matters, from my draft evaluations, mock drafts,

[Greg Rosenthal]

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Greg Rosenthal]

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[Greg Rosenthal]

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[Wilmer Valderrama]

Hey, I'm Wilmer Valderrama and this is Freddy Rodriguez.

[Freddy Rodriguez]

Welcome back to Dos Amigos.

[Wilmer Valderrama]

Dos Amigos, season two, baby.

[Freddy Rodriguez]

This time, we're going even deeper into our careers, our lives, our art, and everything in between.

[Wilmer Valderrama]

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[Freddy Rodriguez]

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[Wilmer Valderrama]

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[Maul]

Anyways, final four this weekend. Michigan, Arizona, Illinois, Yukon. It's that time. It's it. It. It's the last four. And I'm trying to make some money, man. Specifically with hard rock bat. I just want to make that very clear.

[Baby D]

Come on. That's Florida's number one sports book. You know that.

[Maul]

You already know that.

[Baby D]

Come.

[Maul]

Speaking of betting and the last four teams left in March Madness, Michigan versus Arizona. Arizona's getting one and a half. I'm taking Arizona. I think Arizona is going to beat Michigan by more than that.

[Baby D]

I think they are, too.

[Maul]

I'm taking a. And I Think. I think it's, like, an easy bet, to be quite honest.

[Baby D]

Good bet.

[Maul]

And then we also have Yukon plus one and a half. I'm taking UConn on that one, too.

[Baby D]

Yeah, I think it's UConn. Arizona going to the final.

[Maul]

I'm. I'm on that side. And even with these spreads, I'm. I'm taking. I'm taking off the spread and just off the win. Yeah, I think Arizona, UConn for. For both those. Where you watching the game? I don't know what games rather.

[Baby D]

I don't know. I kind of. I kind of feel like the final four, you should be like the final four in the championship, you should be like sports bar. Bar type of vibe.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

See, I don't know. I might find a good sports bar to go sit and watch the game.

[Maul]

Well, New York has, like, those. You have to, like, Google them because so many people move here. Like, there's Yukon bars here. There's, like, Arizona bars. They have it with football teams, too. Like, if you're a Cleveland Browns fan, you can find a bar that's just dedicated to the Cleveland Browns. Yeah, I like. I would like to go. Who do you think has the crazier fans between the 40s? I think Yukon, especially because it's close to closer.

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Maul]

I'm gonna try to find a Yukon bar to watch this.

[Baby D]

A Michigan ball is crazy, though. Oh, yeah. Michigan. They. They rival, like, the Steelers. Yeah, that fan base.

[Maul]

Yeah. Michigan would be a fun. Fun bar to go to.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Maul]

All right, so Michigan bar for that game and then Yukon. I'll set up a whole tour for us.

[Baby D]

Yeah, we just bounce around the city, like, want to tip off at 410. Let's go. You gotta try to make it through

[Maul]

traffic, but then we gotta pretend to be Michigan fans and pretend to be Yukon fans, though. I'm not going into the bar to stir up trouble. I want to be amongst the people in high five.

[Baby D]

Yeah, we gotta.

[Maul]

It's like.

[Baby D]

Yeah, we gotta. We can't. We can't feel like the.

[Maul]

I'm not trying to be that guy.

[Baby D]

Yeah. No, no, no. We're not doing that.

[Maul]

Peach, where you gonna be at?

[Damaris]

He said I'm going all on.

[Baby D]

I'm definitely watching that Yukon game is gonna be a good one. That's gonna be a good game. The Arizona. Who's the Arizona?

[Maul]

Michigan.

[Baby D]

That's gonna be a good game, too. But that Yukon game game, that's going to be a good game.

[Maul]

I mean, but I also like the orange. I like the Uniform, they match me. Maybe I should just go be with the orange people.

[Baby D]

Yeah, you can blend, right? You have no problem getting in. They think you're the mascot.

[Maul]

You on the spot. Yeah. But staying on basketball. Did you guys watch the Lamar Odom doc?

[Baby D]

I did. Finished it last night. Listen, man, I'm just happy we still have Lamar Odom with us.

[Maul]

Same.

[Baby D]

I'm happy we have him. He came by studio. Was it last year we had Lamar?

[Maul]

I think so, yeah.

[Baby D]

Last year.

[Maul]

Really good guy.

[Baby D]

Good guy, great guy. New York legend, world champion. But this documentary highlighted, you know, which is what I'm guessing it's supposed to be. It's the death and life of Lamar Odom. So it highlighted, you know, the dark times and a lot of the things that he's been through in his personal life. I mean, I, I think. I think everybody kind of has to kind of, like, love Khloe Kardashian a little more than they probably already did at this point.

[Maul]

Listen, man, I, I know it's. It's so easy to kill the Kardashians, but I. Yeah. Chloe, I have to give my hats off to.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Maul]

Everything she went through with that and how she handled it, especially even publicly with, you know, all the cameras around, I didn't like. Of course, I knew that they were a couple. I didn't watch their show. I didn't pay too much attention to it, but I was aware that it was a huge deal of them dating.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Maul]

To be able to go through that and hold everything down, which you think you're doing the right thing, but, I mean, I think all of us have had addicts in our family where you think you're helping them and you're not helping them.

[Baby D]

Absolutely.

[Maul]

It's something I empathize with, and I have a lot more respect for Khloe Kardashian and what she did for Lamar Odom. I, I, I couldn't imagine of going through that, plus having to have the camera on you to pretend like everything is okay. Now, Lamar Odom, I knew he was wilding. I didn't know he was.

[Baby D]

Yeah, no, like this, this documentary showed, like, Lamar, like, he, he was. He was actively flirting with death. Like, I'm talking about. He was. He was playing one on one, when to take, when to take the ball out with death. Like, that's what he.

[Maul]

Like, I did you.

[Damaris]

I did not. I saw some, like, the, Like, I've seen some of, like, the highlights and stuff on Twitter.

[Baby D]

No, like, Lamar, he was, he was playing. He was one on one. With death. And death was winning. Death was up by 3.

[Maul]

We. We all kind of came to the conclusion at some point. Probably around the mavericks time was like, Lamar Odom's probably doing coke. Yeah, that was kind of more something we knew. Even with the whole Bunny Ranch thing. I didn't know to the degree he was wilding. Coke and crack is one thing to do. Hookers is one thing to do. Taking 12 gas station dick pills in one sitting. How his dick did not explode is beyond me. Well, I thought the crack did not give him the 12 heart attacks and 17 strokes that was the gas station dick pills that did that 100%.

[Damaris]

But I thought, like, crack get your dick hard. What you needed the pills for?

[Maul]

For if I'm at the Bunny Ranch and I'm doing coke, crack and I'm having a good time. If you don't think I'm throwing a little gas station pill. No, we're. I'm getting my money's worth.

[Baby D]

Yo, that is great.

[Maul]

Crack makes you a dick hard. I never knew that.

[Damaris]

Crack don't make your dick hard.

[Maul]

What are you looking at us. I've never smoked crack.

[Baby D]

Yeah. I don't never smoke crack, nor have

[Maul]

I ever talked to a crackhead about. About like. But I know people that.

[Baby D]

No, crack cocaine generally does not make your.

[Maul]

Doesn't coke make your dick soft?

[Damaris]

But I'm thinking crack, not coke. I'm asking about crack.

[Maul]

You think the baking soda is what gets that even.

[Baby D]

They lock it up. You think when they cut to rock, that get you rock?

[Damaris]

The rock don't get you rock?

[Baby D]

Nah, baby did though.

[Maul]

Yeah, that. Wait, have you ever, like, taken

[Damaris]

Craig,

[Maul]

a penis enhancing pill?

[Damaris]

Oh, yes, yes.

[Maul]

There's great ones out there.

[Damaris]

You've taken one I told you about Boner Bears.

[Maul]

Yeah, we just haven't done the ad yet. But this is the ad. They owe us money. Yeah, Mary told us what she. She took the.

[Damaris]

Look, I told you. I took Boner Bears.

[Maul]

Toner. Boner.

[Baby D]

Boner Bears. That's what they're called.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but anyway.

[Maul]

Okay, but there are some out there that are like, for men and women. It'll get you a dick hard. A woman more to horny. They're. There's him and hers out there.

[Baby D]

Make that clit hard.

[Maul]

I know, but granted, we've advertised.

[Damaris]

Sorry, Lon.

[Maul]

Like safe dick pills on here that we've talked about. Particip. We was Blue Chew Crew two. Like two. Live Chew. We was out here at one. Those are safe ones.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Maul]

Has anyone in here ever just driven by a 711 at 4am and said if I'm going to do it, I'm going to do it. Because this guy has before the black rhino. And when I tell you the veins were popping out of my forehead.

[Baby D]

Yeah, that black rhino gave me that crazy migraine.

[Maul]

That was one. That was just one.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Maul]

Now I understand Lamar Odom is probably twice or not three times my size as a human being. That still doesn't add up to 12 of them.

[Baby D]

Yeah, no, that's crazy. 12 of those in one setting is wild.

[Maul]

Like the coke. I mean he was just having a good time. I thought he that all happened because

[Baby D]

of a drug mar was at that bunny ranch trying to please every, all 37 of those.

[Maul]

Room to room.

[Baby D]

Yeah, he was in there going crazy

[Maul]

and they had the, the EMT report and of course there was coke and this and that. And then one of the hookers said to the emt, well yeah, he also had one of these. It was like brushed it off. No, no, no, you're not hearing me. He took 12 of them.

[Baby D]

He was trying to fuck and demerit.

[Maul]

That's not the wildest part. He died. They brought him back to life again. I'm over exaggerating, but it was like a lot of heart attacks and a lot of strokes. Had to put him in a coma. He couldn't. When he woke up, he couldn't talk. He didn't recognize pictures of his son. Chloe went and got him a caretaker, a chef. Once he could get out the hospital. Still couldn't move on his own. Couldn't do that. Chloe walks into the caretaker house that she got for him immediately. Smells burnt plastic. This can't talk or walk and is smoking crack upstairs after coming out the coma.

[Damaris]

Well, that's the time to do it because what like, you know what I'm

[Baby D]

saying, like getting the crack for him, huh? Who's getting the crack?

[Maul]

She thought he had no phone. I guess he had somehow found a phone. And I'm not saying crack dealers like need to have heart, but why are you selling lamar odom after 75?

[Baby D]

I'm selling crack.

[Maul]

Crack.

[Baby D]

And Lamar is laid up in the hospital and he called me to my yo, pull up. When I get there, if I see him, I'm like, bro, I don't think you should be doing this right now. Like I get it, but it's like,

[Maul]

come on bro, social worker, remember that?

[Damaris]

Like at the end of the day, if you buy it from me, he gonna buy.

[Baby D]

God forbid he die right there. You know who they coming to get they going through his phone. They gonna see who he called. Let's start there. Yeah, they gonna look at who he called. Is it worth that? I'm the guy that sold Lamar the crack that killed him. I don't think it's worth that.

[Maul]

And I'm glad that that's actually a thing that, like the person that sold Mac Miller his. His drugs that was laced with fentanyl. Yeah. Sit down for a while. You should have checked that your coke didn't have fentanyl in it.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I mean, that makes sense. But this, like, it wasn't no fentanyl. You just. That's user error. That's like. If the grocery store sell me too much butter and I got hyper tension, like, that's not the grocery store fault, you know that too much butter gonna give you hypertension. The butter is fine. You said what?

[Baby D]

The butt is FDA approved. Crack ain't. Crack ain't fda.

[Maul]

I'm aware. You can't have a conscience in the crack game. I've heard the songs. But to sell crack to Lamar Odom when he can't speak or walk is the funniest fucking thing I've ever like. You really about to go make that sale, right?

[Damaris]

Hey, man, look, man, I mean, I hear you though.

[Maul]

And how. All right, when people are buying coke that's laced with fentanyl, they probably spending a little bit of money.

[Damaris]

Money.

[Maul]

How much crap, what he made 12 hours that day, it's just not worth it.

[Baby D]

It's not worth it.

[Maul]

My spent more in gas in Los Angeles at that time to do that sale of crack. Crack. You don't make a lot of money off one sale.

[Damaris]

How would. Did he talk about. Because I didn't watch what you guys did. Did he talk about what he was trying to escape? Because if you like that and taking crack like you're trying to escape, escape something.

[Baby D]

He's an addict. Clearly he's addicted.

[Damaris]

Well, no, you're an addict.

[Baby D]

Sex, whether it's drugs, whether it's like, he's just an addict, he can't do a little of nothing. That's just the addict brain, you know, I mean, so if he's having sexes. I'm going to the Bunny Ranch. I just need a plethora of women available. I want to have sex all day. I want to do drugs all day. Like, he. He was. He. That's. He was an addict. He just. It's just dangerous with somebody like Lamar Odom because he has money to support such a habit. And, you know, to the highest level like, he can do, you know, things that other people that you know are not. They don't have as much money that he has access to. He can go all the way with his addiction.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

He can do, like, whatever he dreams of. He can. I want to go stay at the Bunny Ranch for two weeks straight. I want to just sleep there, just fuck every day. He can do that.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Well, they. I'm seeing that they did mention that he lost his mother at a very young age. He lost a child to Sid and his baby mother abandoned him. Like.

[Maul]

Well, his baby mother didn't abandon him.

[Damaris]

Well, she chose not to move with him to LA when he was grieving. No.

[Maul]

Well, she moved to la and then they also had a house in like the Queens, Long island border. And that's where his child unfortunately passed away. And then it was back to la and they were already on the outs. Like, at that point he was being. He was cheating on his baby mother. He couldn't expect his baby mother to stay through that entire thing. But also, addiction can be hereditary and his father was an addict. His father went in when he was in a coma. They never, they never spoke, this motherfucker, at all. He walks in thinking that he is now thinking his son is dead and he's going to now be the beneficiary of everything. Chloe and him are still married.

[Baby D]

Married.

[Maul]

He said, pull all them plugs.

[Baby D]

He had.

[Maul]

He was raised. Well, not raised, but he has an addict father, which I think, yeah, does add to an already impulsion that you have. Like, it's a hereditary thing. And that's your pops. And then Chloe gave him, said, you're not the beneficiary. I am. I'm his wife. Still on paper. I make every decision here. And he said, can I get some sneakers and $100?

[Damaris]

That's addict shit.

[Maul]

But 100%.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

But when I said. Okay, so to go back to when I said, what is he? What was he trying to escape from? Yes. Somebody can just be an addict.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

But there's a reason why they discovered the drug, started doing the drug, like mentally. What was happening to make him start doing and discovering those things?

[Maul]

I think it was just a whirlwind of everything that happened to him. His childhood, what was happening when he got to the NBA, his children. I will say too, though, I always gave Chloe a lot of shit, which I want to apologize because I thought it was nasty after that whole coma shit that he went on that show and drove to the Kanye pop up for Pablo. I publicly, I think on the pod was like, that's nasty. Why are you doing that, man? He looks so uncomfortable. I didn't know that he was the one that was always like, I want to be on camera. I want to be on camera. It was his idea to do the Chloe and lamarche. I didn't know that. Yeah. So I apologize too, to. To the Kardashians on that. I thought they would be exploiting people. No, he was exploiting y'. All.

[Damaris]

I. And I can't wait for more of the Kardashian men, the adopted men that they've adopted into that show and family from. I can't wait till more of them come out and speak because I have always been on the side that the Kardashians get a lot of heat for the. That happens with the men in their life. When I have always said that dating a Kardashian, you are chasing fame. It is not them just ruining the lives of these men. These men are chasing fame. You know what that family is like. They're not forcing you to be on camera.

[Maul]

You want that at this point. Yes. You definitely know what time it is. And all of them should have that in the back of their mind. No matter how rich and famous the athlete is, that there may be a reason why you want to do this and be involved with the show. They should keep that in their mind. Where they got a lot of shit was people viewed it differently in the beginning, as if they were chasing fame with famous people and. But the roles have completely reversed. Like, I agree with you. I think a lot of men that have dated them wanted to be on that show, wanted to be next to a Kardashian, wanted that LA shit, wanted that attention. I completely agree with that.

[Baby D]

100. They wanted that. Like, it happens. Even though I'm a celebrity, somebody's more famous than me and I'm dating them. Yeah, I want that. I want to be seen too.

[Maul]

And yeah, that even confirmed because I always thought, like, Lamar was forced into that and like, how uncomfortable he looked sometimes. Like, no, this is what you want.

[Damaris]

He looked uncomfortable because he wasn't high. He was looking for a fix.

[Maul]

That's a great. That's a great point. That's why. Cuz he couldn't sneak coke on it. Couldn't put it next to craft services. Where am I going to do my blow, yo? Like dead ass. That's funny. Speaking of coke and crime, Pooh Shiesty and his dad were arrested by the FBI today, April 2nd, on God knows how many charges.

[Baby D]

It was a Kidnapping, an armed robbery.

[Maul]

Allegedly he did kidnap Gucci at gunpoint and make him sign a contract that said he's no longer signed to his label. But listen, man, I, you could take this one. I'm, I'm lost.

[Baby D]

So it says in a rapper, Gucci Mane, whose real name is Radrick Delantic Davis, was allegedly robbed and kidnapped by rappers pooh Shiesty and Big 30 in Dallas. This is according to the Department of Justice. They said that nine people, including the aforementioned rappers kidnapped and robbed at gunpoint, numerous victims at a music studio in Dallas. Eight of the non suspects were arrested on Wednesday, according to the Department of Justice in Dallas, Memphis and Nashville. So obviously, obviously they have, you know, people that are cooperating, people that are of persons of interest. If there's three, was it Dallas, Memphis and where else? They said they picked them up at Nashville, Dallas, Memphis and Nashville.

[Maul]

I just. Didn't he just do five years? I'd be lying if I said I'd keep up with Pooh Shiesty, but I mean, I'm aware that he's big and had did all that time. You just get out and just like get some head, go to dinner, talk to your. Well, never mind. I would say talk to your family. Your dad's in the conspiracy too.

[Baby D]

So they're saying that Pooh, he set up a meeting with Gucci Mane to discuss the terms of his recording contract with one of the victims. Pooh Shiesty first rose to fame. Yeah, we got that. When the three men were in the music studio, Williams Jr. And his eight co conspirators, several of whom traveled from Memphis, executed an armed takeover, according to the Department of Justice complaint. The Department of justice said Williams Jr. Pulled out an AK style pistol and forced one of the victims to sign a release from the recording contract at gunpoint. The remaining co conspirators also pulled out guns and robbed the other victims of watches, jewelry, cash and other high value items. According to the federal officials, one of the victims was choked during the robbery to the point of near unconsciousness. The Department of Justice said, yeah, this is.

[Maul]

Do you really need the extendo at a studio? It's such a small space. I just think you need all those bullets.

[Baby D]

Yeah, this is bad.

[Maul]

And why like at a studio, you know, there's gonna be. All right, if you're thinking, I know Gucci's never gonna say anything just to call because of who Gucci is. You're at a recording studio.

[Damaris]

Yeah, somebody gonna say.

[Maul]

Somebody there is gonna say some shit.

[Baby D]

I mean, not only that it's cameras in a recording studio.

[Maul]

It's recording. A recording studio.

[Baby D]

It's a recording studio.

[Damaris]

Hit the red button while you was robbing. They got it all. Like, they done EQ'd it and everything.

[Maul]

Like, this is.

[Baby D]

This is bad for Pooh Shiesty.

[Maul]

This is terrible.

[Baby D]

This is bad for him and even

[Maul]

setting up that meeting. And I know Gucci is obviously different than me, but this is why you need people like Maul and Loyon in your life. If I said I was about to have this meeting, they both would be like, do it on zoom.

[Baby D]

Yeah, yeah. You don't need to meet in person at all. Well, I mean, this is federal now, right?

[Maul]

Maybe Gucci was thinking no one would do something this fucking dumb.

[Baby D]

Yeah, this is. This is. I mean, I don't know, man. I mean, we could just have our lawyers contact each other, right? Remember how. Remember when they used to do that? It's a con. We have contracts. Have my lawyer call your lawyer. We'll figure this thing out. Yeah, Pooh shies. He had other plans, but he wasn't

[Damaris]

gonna get off the label like that. He only wanted to get off, you know, do those type of means.

[Baby D]

Yeah, but now. Now look at the means, though. Now you got the fed snatching you, your pops, your homies. Like, somebody gonna have to sit down for some years behind this. And you already own. You still on probation. Location. He still got an electric monitor. He still got a. A bracelet on, bro. Like, come on, fam.

[Maul]

Wait, wait. He had him.

[Baby D]

Yeah, electric monitoring. He had a monitor placing Williams Jr. At the offense location in violation of his home detention condition conditions. What are we talking about here, bro?

[Maul]

I'm on the DA Side.

[Baby D]

This is. Yeah, this is. This is like. This is dry. Like, this is like.

[Damaris]

I don't like stupid criminals. He need to be locked up. I. With criminals. But when you stupid like that, you a danger to all of society. Not even just the people you going after.

[Maul]

Lock him up. And I don't understand the amount and. Well, he's not a kid, but the amount of kids that commit crimes where that obsess over these YouTube crime channels of say cheese paperwork. How have you not realized to not bring your phone?

[Baby D]

The phone. He has an anchor monitor.

[Maul]

I'm saying, just in general, of all the cell phone records. Stop texting people about your crimes. Like, how is. How can that not go through your head at this point?

[Baby D]

Then they got license plates.

[Maul]

Stop bringing your phone. On a robbery and a murder.

[Baby D]

They went through the tolls, so now they Got like, It's just, bro. Doing crime like this now is. There's no getting away. It's like, it's. You're asking to be locked up. There's too too many ways. And then, like Pete said, you're. You went to a recording studio and did all. There's cameras, there's mic. Like, there's no. You're asking to go to prison at this point. Like, this is literally what you're asking for. Like, we're gonna get caught. We're gonna go to prison for this. Like, it's just not smart. And then you just came home. I don't know, man. There's just way too many ways that they could have handled this. If it's a contract dispute, I don't want to be under these terms of this contract. Let me out of this deal. Whatever. Whatever. Again, get some lawyers. We can fight this in court. We can go another way. But now you looking at some real prison time behind this. It just doesn't make any sense. It doesn't. There's no way around it.

[Damaris]

He's so cute, too. I hate when cute go to jail. These ugly be out and free.

[Baby D]

And, like, that's ugly in jail too.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Maul]

I just don't. I. What's worse, this or, like, the people that think they're the fake smart criminals. Like, I don't think Dirk did any of that whatsoever. Free Dirk, of course, he had nothing to do with that case whatsoever. But the people that were free smart. His co defendants, they thought they were smart by going flying to San Diego instead of LA and driving. But you guys all texted each other the entire time. Like, I. And people are sending wires and stuff. Like, dog, go to a strip club. But what I just said that we just put a beep on. That's common sense to me. I don't think I was saying anything profound on how.

[Baby D]

Obviously it ain't. Obviously.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Exhibit A. It's not common sense. These niggas are doing crimes that just. It's like, you're not gonna get away with this. I don't know what scheme, what meeting y' all had before y' all set out to do this and was like, yeah, this is a good idea. We gonna get you out of this. Like, know you're about to get them in some deeper. Somebody in. Somebody has to be like, bro, this is not. You have to have smart people around you. You have to have somebody that just understands, like, bro, this is not. There's another way we can go about this. Like, we can get out of this deal and another. This is gonna get us in some serious. This is the Department of Justice. Like, this is federal. You going down, bro. You definitely going down for this. There's no way around it. And you have an ankle monitor on, which means we watching you already. Like, we already know where you at, where you supposed to be. How did you think that this was.

[Damaris]

You think you wanted to go back?

[Baby D]

I don't think anybody wants to go to jail. I just think that sometimes people be so upset that they're. That they just don't give a fuck. And they like, nah, fuck that. Like, we going to do this, and I don't care. We'll deal with the repercussions later. Cause I've seen dudes get that riled up in a moment where they. They just not thinking. They, like, I don't give a fuck like we going to do. And I'm just like, y' all tripping.

[Damaris]

But it couldn't have been a moment. Cause you got eight other people with you. Like, this was planned.

[Baby D]

I had a Zoom call, and they had to travel.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Like, so you got all this time to think, like, maybe we should turn around.

[Damaris]

Ma, you ever wanted to travel? Like, you ever got so upset that you wanted to travel to whoop somebody ass or travel to kill somebody?

[Maul]

Somebody?

[Baby D]

Nah, I ain't traveling to whoop nobody ass. I'mma see you when I see you. But I ain't about to book a flight, get on the road, drive some hours, and I ain't doing all of that. So some. I do that to beat somebody up. I catch that, when I catch him, I'll catch him in traffic somewhere.

[Damaris]

That's heterosexuality.

[Baby D]

I'm not traveling to go fight no man. You know how. What can a man do to me when I'm gonna book a flight back? A bag?

[Maul]

That's insane.

[Baby D]

I'm folding my. Like, yo, when I catch this, I'm getting my socks, my underwear.

[Damaris]

How you stay mad that long? Yeah.

[Baby D]

Like, you got to be a maniac to stay mad.

[Maul]

You got to make sure your lotion isn't too much in the bottle to get through TSA at that point.

[Baby D]

Yeah, Like, I'm online at tsa. Like, what, to go fight? Nah, fam. It's never that serious. I'mma catch you in traffic somewhere. We'll meet up eventually, but when it's convenient, I'm not going on my way to fight nobody. That's not happening.

[Maul]

Peach. I remember in. In our old group chat that time that two of our friends were going to fight. And one of them took a two and a half hour train ride to the fade. And the whole train ride, we were just all dying, laughing. The group chat. Like you, you know how many stops you have time to think, fam. And it was like, it was like 1am I was like, I, we know he's stuck at Broadway Junction too. Doors just open, chilling.

[Baby D]

You got mad time to get off

[Maul]

much time to just like not. I'm not, I'm not doing this.

[Baby D]

But on the other side of that, what if you do all of that and get your ass so you got to ride back?

[Maul]

It was a high chance that that would have happened too with the person that was sitting on the train riding

[Baby D]

back after getting your ass whooped on the two hour train ride.

[Maul]

It was only local running from Harlem, Brooklyn at that time. Like only local train.

[Baby D]

They got to be more convenient for me. I, I'll catch you when I catch you. I'll catch you when I catch you.

[Maul]

That was a legendary group chat that day. I haven't laughed like that. That's probably top five I've ever laughed in my entire life of just like monitoring. Like what stop you think he at now?

[Baby D]

Nah, it's never that serious. I'll catch you. I'm that guy though. I'll, I'll, I'll lay on it though, like forever.

[Maul]

Oh, I'm proud to.

[Baby D]

Oh, I'll keep that internal forever.

[Maul]

I'm that person too.

[Baby D]

That energy, that beef. And then when we finally cross paths, you're gonna know that I was waiting for that moment. But I'm not gonna get on no two hour train ride and get in the car and drive and go catch a flight. I'm not doing all that.

[Damaris]

How long, how long can like what's the statute of limitations on an ass whooping? You telling me you ass.

[Baby D]

It depends on what somebody did.

[Maul]

Well, I be.

[Baby D]

There's no statute of limitations.

[Maul]

People say why you do nothing? Who said I'm not going to.

[Baby D]

Yeah, there's no statue.

[Maul]

I'm a very patient man.

[Baby D]

Like I'm maniacal my patience. It's some that did to me in the eighth grade that I, I'm still like, you don't have no idea. The day I catch you, what's going to happen to you. Yeah, but you, but do you have to be like that?

[Maul]

What if they're like a pastor now?

[Baby D]

It don't matter. I'm not, I ain't no pastor. What if they transitioned and now it's a woman?

[Maul]

It's a good Point.

[Damaris]

Oh, peach.

[Maul]

No, I don't think you'd ever heard of one.

[Baby D]

I wouldn't hit a woman.

[Maul]

All right, now we're just getting to too many beeps.

[Baby D]

Who got the keys to the jeep anyways? The marriage came with. Wait, look. Slow whining. She can't wait to go outside. She can't wait. New music on the way.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Who dropping tonight?

[Maul]

Thundercat?

[Baby D]

Anybody we care about?

[Maul]

Thundercat is the one that I'm excited about. Distracted. Rocky's on it. Mac Miller, Yachty Willow Smith Channel Trez. I love Thundercat. So.

[Baby D]

Okay.

[Maul]

Also, Marlon Craft put out his project today as well. The Internet Killed the Neighborhood, which is in my opinion his best, best work by far.

[Baby D]

I gotta check that out.

[Maul]

He's working on that for four years and put out a bunch of different projects while he was working on that one. And yeah, I'm happy that he finally got this one out because the Internet killed the neighborhood.

[Baby D]

Yeah, I like that.

[Maul]

It's.

[Baby D]

It's.

[Maul]

It's definitely, definitely his best work by far. If you're into to rap that actually has great production and melodies. But I mean that's. That's really my. My new music Friday that I'm. I'm looking forward forward to.

[Baby D]

Yeah, I'm not really. I don't know if this is gonna be a good weekend of releases, but I still gotta catch up and listen to what dropped last week that you was telling me to listen to. I forgot the name of the album Already worry you text me to listen to something but I can't remember. It's all right. Don't worry about it.

[Maul]

I tried to get Damaris a birthday present that I know she would have loved, but they're not making them yet, so I'm still waiting.

[Damaris]

What is it?

[Maul]

JCO's Chinese basketball jersey. What? No. I'm dead. I was really searching today day to wait. You would have appreciated that. I thought that was like. Would have been a fly gift. Wait, no, I really wasn't trying to do it like a joke. I really thought that would have been a cool gift.

[Baby D]

Yo, baby Dave, he walked in here with a j cold Chinese basketball jersey for you.

[Damaris]

He ate me, right?

[Baby D]

Yo, like, wait, you think you should wear that?

[Maul]

Monkey Kings being Chinese, you can't read it.

[Baby D]

Monkey kings giving a black woman a jersey.

[Maul]

That's it would be in Chinese is.

[Baby D]

Yeah. Then as soon as she wear that all. All the age people be laughing at

[Maul]

Ryan said. I know.

[Damaris]

I walk around our a neighborhood near

[Baby D]

us monkey monkey kick.

[Damaris]

And they be giggling at Wait, but

[Maul]

you think that I. I forgot it was called Monkey Kicks. I. I definitely forgot about that sign

[Baby D]

with the Monkey Kicks.

[Maul]

Do I. I promise it was in.

[Baby D]

Yo.

[Maul]

Anytime I thrift and I find Sy stuff, I buy it for you. I buy you Janet Jackson stuff. I thought buy the JCole jersey would have been, like, a good gift. I wasn't even doing it in condescending way. As a friend, I wanted to get you a gift.

[Baby D]

Jcole signed with the Monkey King. This. It's crazy, yo. Yo, y' all know. Y' all think I hate J. Cole and I don't, but come on, fam. The Monkey.

[Maul]

If the Cleveland Indians had to change their names and the Washington Redskins being black, there's another team.

[Damaris]

Being a woman is hard. Being a jcole fan, the hardest title

[Baby D]

I wear jcole is with his fans at this point. He gotta be, though.

[Maul]

No, he said in the interviews he

[Baby D]

just wants to signing with the. It's mad other teams in the cba. That he could have signed with the Monkey Kings is crazy.

[Maul]

I was trying to see if. If their organization had, like, the custom ones. And, like, I was going to even do. What is he, six? Mr. 62, whatever his name is, was going to put that and put Cole in the back. I thought that would have been a very nice gift for. For Damaris.

[Baby D]

Yo, that is hilarious.

[Maul]

I can't believe you thought I would do that, like, in a negative way.

[Baby D]

The side baby D if you don't.

[Maul]

And I was gonna get, like, the. The extra large. Like, you could wear it like Maya did with the basketball dress.

[Baby D]

Oh, that's what you was thinking? Jersey dress?

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

You thought she was gonna give him the jersey dress flow. Okay.

[Maul]

No good de goes unpunished. Man, I can't believe she's looking at

[Baby D]

me like, why he that sound with the Flying Tigers or the Shanghai Sharks? The Monkey Kings. It's the Blue Whales. The Pioneers. The Heroes.

[Maul]

The Heroes.

[Baby D]

The Rockets. It's mad teams.

[Damaris]

Maybe the Monkey Kings were the nicest team.

[Baby D]

They're not. The Shanghai Sharks is probably the best team every year. The Monkey Kings is crazy, though.

[Maul]

Maybe he likes the locker room environment over there. Maybe they run a good program, you know, they need a corner shooter, man.

[Baby D]

J. Cole. J. Cole. Listen, man.

[Maul]

Man, should I get her the. The Scarborough Canadian Leafs jersey that he had? That jersey was kind of hard.

[Baby D]

Yeah, I think.

[Maul]

Wasn't Drake wearing that court side?

[Baby D]

Well, that's.

[Maul]

He was wearing a cold jersey at one point, courtside in Scarborough?

[Baby D]

Probably was. Yeah.

[Maul]

Yeah. So why. Why would Damaris Be above that.

[Baby D]

It's the Monkey Kings. It's not.

[Maul]

It's not in Chinese.

[Baby D]

Yeah, but it's not the jersey. English.

[Maul]

Most people don't know what their Chinese tattoo is.

[Damaris]

Actually, he said it's written in English on the jersey.

[Maul]

That's crazy. Monkey Kings. It's in English. Damaris. No, I would not have gotten you a jersey that actually said Monkey Kings in English.

[Damaris]

No, you would have. You would have. You would have. Everything they said about you is right.

[Baby D]

The Monkey Kings, yo.

[Maul]

Nah, people didn't Photoshop. All right, man.

[Baby D]

Yo, the Monkey Kings is crazy, dog.

[Maul]

Why is it in English, though?

[Baby D]

Why wouldn't it be?

[Maul]

Because they're in China. China.

[Baby D]

Yeah, but it's okay. They try to market to other, you know, other markets.

[Maul]

So you think they switched to English when he signed?

[Baby D]

No. No, because that's crazier if that's always been in English.

[Maul]

Okay.

[Baby D]

Which is why it's crazy and it's

[Damaris]

fasting, because the jersey is kind of fire.

[Baby D]

Yo, man, that's cool.

[Damaris]

Don't worry about it.

[Baby D]

I'm gonna pray for y'. All. Cold fans, man. I'm gonna pray for you. That's a rough year for y', all, but it's okay. It'll get better.

[Maul]

That's a hard jersey. Except for the name. Yeah. So it's not a hard Versace right on the side.

[Baby D]

Oh, my God.

[Damaris]

He that Ginger. I'm a Monkey King.

[Baby D]

Yo, listen, man, it's been real.

[Maul]

Shout out to the Gold Lions, man.

[Baby D]

We'll talk to y' all soon. Be safe, be blessed. I'm that. He's just Ginger. Damaris is a Monkey King. No worrying.

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[Damaris]

Hey, everyone, check out this guy and his bird. What is this, your first date?

[Maul]

Oh, no.

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[Greg Rosenthal]

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[Maul]

Yeah, the bird looks out of your league.

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[Maul]

liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Then she says, have you seen a photo of my son? And I'm like, who is this person?

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[Maul]

Yes. Which, by the way, wasn't Taylor Swift who said that for the first time. I actually, I thought it was. I got that wrong.

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[Damaris]

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