New Rory & Mal — Episode 479: "Pay Them People"

April 10, 2026
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Episode Overview

On this “just us Friday” edition, Rory is out, leaving Mall and Baby D to steer the conversation. The pair serve up new stories, signature humor, and unfiltered hot takes as they discuss the Kanye UK ban controversy, alleged industry debt and violence (Offset/Lil Tjay incident), the question of family financial entitlement, Nepo-baby culture, Michael Jackson biopic drama, new music drops, and more. This episode is packed with sharp social commentary, hilarious banter, and insights into the entertainment business, all delivered in the witty, candid style fans expect.

Main Discussion Segments

Kanye West Banned from the UK (04:00–13:00)

• Recap: Kanye West has been officially banned from entering the UK, stemming from his controversial statements and antisemitic behavior. The British government declared his presence "not conducive to the public good"—notably after sponsors pulled out of the Wireless Festival.
• Analysis:
  • Mall questions whether banning Kanye is too extreme, given other, arguably riskier, UK drill rappers aren’t under similar scrutiny.
  • The Netherlands, in contrast, announced Kanye will be allowed to perform there.
• Quote:
  • “But to ban Kanye from entering the UK—that’s ridiculous. That’s just like, all right bro.” — Rory Farrell (07:29)
  • "This adds to the allure of Ye... This is helping the legend. I don't think Kanye is sitting back mad." — Rory Farrell (12:28)
• Debate:
  • Baby D emphasizes the authorities’ concern is less the song content and more the backlash and protests his presence could trigger.
  • Mall wonders if this is about "sending a message" rather than actually averting danger.
• Memorable Moment:
  • Jokes weave throughout as Mall describes the ban as building Kanye’s “villain” mystique rather than hurting his career.

Offset, Lil Tjay, Gambling Debt, and Violence in Hip-Hop (18:03–28:51)

• Recap: Rumors circulate that Lil Tjay shot Offset over a $10,000 gambling debt at a casino, amid a wider conversation about Offset owing money (others, like Dez Bryant and Ebro, claim debts, too).
• Discussion:
  • Both agree the scenario seems wild or exaggerated, with more likely to the story beneath surface allegations: “10k will get it done? I don’t think so.” (20:49)
  • They highlight how casinos have cameras everywhere, questioning why there isn’t footage yet.
  • Baby D wonders whether the violence is about the "audacity” of not paying, not the money.
  • Mall points out that Offset might genuinely have a gambling problem, theorizing about debt, pride, and hip-hop’s money culture.
• Quote:
  • "Once you shoot me, we even. I'm not giving you no bread after you shot at me." — Baby D (27:58)
• Humor:
  • Mall and Baby D compare criminal antics of past artists: “Didn’t Remy Ma go to jail for less than that?”
  • Reminiscing about missing flights and sick days gets slyly mixed in, demonstrating their rapport.

Who Deserves a Handout? Family Entitlement, Nepo Babies, and Loyalty (34:42–47:07)

• Recap: Drawing from the viral stories of Glorilla and T Grizzley’s families expecting financial help, Mall and Baby D debate who actually "deserves" enrichment once a relative becomes wealthy.
• Key Points:
  • Mall’s View: No one is inherently entitled. If anyone, it’s parents—preferably those who “don’t abuse it.” The best help goes to those who are already working for themselves, not those expectant of handouts.
  • Baby D’s Addendum: Opportunity should be for those already making moves. If you want something, you have to show your own initiative too.
  • Both agree: Helping people who don’t want to help themselves can backfire. They stress the importance of working with those actively proving their ambitions.
• Quote:
  • “Help family and friends if they're worth helping. It's a hard pill to take once you realize, like, damn, my friends ain't shit... they bums." — Rory Farrell (43:06)
  • "If you're in a position to help family and friends that deserve it... if they're actively working to build something themselves... those are the people you take care of first." — Rory Farrell (45:58)
• Anecdotes:
  • Both share personal stories: Baby D’s journey through doubt to discovering her path in creativity; Mall’s youthful refusal to chase a “Rockefeller” opportunity until he was ready.

Nepo Babies & Parenting Values (47:00–52:32)

• Discussion: Should Mall's hypothetical kid get an "in" to media or entertainment?
  • Mall: He wants his future child to work for their opportunities and develop creatively; he wouldn’t force them into media, acknowledging most jobs of today might not exist in the future.
  • Baby D: Wishes her kids will try things she herself wasn't brave enough to attempt—like screenwriting or directing.
• Quote:
  • “When it's your kid playing and interacting, you'll enjoy it. When it's not your kids you just hear noise…” — Rory Farrell (16:39)
  • "My biggest fear has always been the loss of security, that's why I always took the safe option.” — Baby D (51:21)
• Memorable Exchange: Jokes about Baby D’s hypothetical attempt at stripping add levity:
  • “You cast out ten bands, you go back next Saturday, don’t tell me you’re not.” — Rory Farrell (49:39)

Accountability vs. Excuses (52:05–57:31)

• Theme: Who is a “f*** up” and do people recognize their own downward spirals?
• Insight:
  • Mall insists, “If you’re lonely, it's because you're a piece of shit. Nobody likes you.”
  • Baby D discusses impostor syndrome and feeling like a failure when her life didn’t look traditional—before she found her lane.

Michael Jackson Movie Controversy (60:04–64:07)

• Story: Janet Jackson and Paris Jackson are left out of Michael Jackson’s forthcoming movie, reportedly over likeness rights and accuracy concerns.
• Commentary:
  • Both loved Michael Jackson as kids but are disappointed. Mall says, “It’s just so hard to tell the Michael Jackson story without Janet… she’s such a huge part.”
  • They ponder Janet’s boycott’s potential impact and joke about “supporting the colonizers” with this film.
• Quote:
  • “I don’t think we supposed to go see this movie... Janet ain’t with it, Paris ain’t with it, we supporting the Colonizers with this one.” — Rory Farrell (63:46)

Listener Voicemail Highlights (71:23–75:41)

• Memorable Voicemail:
  • A caller urges more acceptance for closeted gay people, sparking a typically irreverent, yet supportive riff on sexuality and masculinity in the Black community.
• Mall on Authenticity:
  • “It’s weird to be down low now. Now we’re in the era where it’s weird when you’re not openly gay.” (73:51)

New Music Releases & Industry Talk (75:41–77:59)

• Upcoming drops: DJ Khaled ("One Of Them" feat. Future and Lil Baby), Lil Tjay, Isaiah Rashad, Snoop Dogg’s "10 Til Midnight", and Aldo & Spanish Ran’s "Rock, Paper, Scissor" are all highlighted.
• Mall jokes: “I wasn’t looking forward to a new Snoop album, but I ain’t mad at it.” (77:21)

Quick Hits & Banter Highlights

• Sex & Relationships (68:06–71:17):
  • Debate: 10 minutes of amazing sex or 45 minutes of “good” sex with someone you like? Mall chooses quality if there’s emotional investment.
• On Chasing Love:
  • “If a man wants to talk to you, he’ll call you.” — Baby D (81:06)
• On Male Loneliness:
  • “If you lonely, it’s because you a piece of shit. Cool dudes aren't lonely.” — Mall (79:36)

Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• "This adds to the allure of Ye... This is helping the legend. I don't think Kanye is sitting back mad."
  — Rory Farrell, (12:28)

• “Help family and friends if they’re worth helping… my friends ain’t shit…they bums.”
  — Rory Farrell, (43:06)

• “Once you shoot me, we even. I'm not giving you no bread after you shot at me.”
  — Baby D, (27:58)

• “If you lonely, it’s because you a piece of shit. Nobody likes you.”
  — Mall, (79:36)

• “I don’t think we supposed to go see this movie... Janet ain’t with it, Paris ain’t with it, we supporting the Colonizers with this one.”
  — Rory Farrell, (63:46)

Episode Highlights

• Sharp banter and candid debates about celebrity debt, family expectations, and “helping” culture
• Nuanced takes on freedom of speech, social responsibility, and cancel culture (esp. regarding Kanye)
• Honest reflections on choosing creative careers, parental support, and merit
• Laugh-out-loud moments throughout—especially on sex, nostalgia, and New York panhandlers

For Listeners Who Missed It

This episode is a quintessential New Rory & Mal hour: breezy yet substantive, mixing hilarious tangents with real talk about morality, work ethic, the chaos of the music industry, and what it means to actually “pay them people."