Episode 484 | Ice Breakers

Summary

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New Rory & MAL: Episode 484 | "Ice Breakers" (April 23, 2026)

Episode Overview

Theme:
This wild and unfiltered episode of New Rory & Mal is packed with the crew’s signature stories, irreverent humor, and cultural commentary—ranging from sex and wellness, to music releases, to wild tour antics, and heated debates over rap legends’ “profoundness.” The pod is peppered with hot takes on first date etiquette, why men shouldn’t spa together, and why Jay-Z’s legacy carries so much weight.
Guests/Contributors: Rory, Mal, Baby D, Damaris

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Art of Ice Breakers: From Tea Bags to STDs (03:16–07:56)

• Comedic Banter & “Clapping” Bits: The episode begins with morale-boosting jokes about applause, immediately diving into a debate about mundane disasters—“What’s worse, when the tea bag breaks or when the condom breaks?” (03:49)
  • “A tea bag for sure. It's such an inconvenience.” – Rory (03:53)
• STD Talk Gets Unfiltered: The group riff on STI treatments, lambskin condoms, and rollouts of new medical preps.
  • Mall explains: “Penicillin is not what you take for chlamydia... Penicillin is for gonorrhea.” (04:29)
  • "If you're that much that you need to take prep for chlamydia… you're a certified hoe." – Rory (05:59)
• Health Trends & Societal Trends: The pandemic’s impact on hygiene trends (“washing hands became trendy”) and how basic habits can turn into social flexes.
  • “Drinking water became trendy. Yo, water being trendy is crazy.” – Rory (08:02)

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2. Music Release Drama: Why You Don’t Drop When Drake Drops (09:25–13:05)

• The ‘Release Date’ Debate: Rory laments having to push back his own single and video to avoid clashing with Drake’s album “Iceman” release on May 15.
  • “I called Brit so quick, I said, let's push that to the 24th.” – Rory (10:15)
  • Mall and Baby D clown Rory for not daring to compete:
    “Just push it to June, bro. Just get out of May's way.” – Mall (11:42)
• Drake’s Viral Album Rollout: The group discuss the creative “social experiment” with the streamer Kishka finding a bag inside an ice sculpture for Drake’s album promo, and what the clues mean (Sexyy Red message, Kendrick references).
  • “They weren't so hidden. It's just a photo of Sexyy Red and Pinocchio in a scope.” – Rory (13:46)

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3. Michael Jackson Biopic & Music Biopics (23:26–28:36)

• Screening Debate—Why Was Stevie Wonder at a Movie?
  • “Why is Stevie at the screening?” – Rory (22:33)
  • “He had to make sure the soundtrack was right!” – Mall (22:24)
• MJ Biopic’s Rotten Tomatoes Disaster: The group reflect on the low ratings (27%), share their favorite (and worst) music biopics, and weigh in on whether two hours can do justice to Michael Jackson’s legacy.
  • “You want them to spend more time on certain moments…but two hours and 20 minutes is just not gonna cover that.” – Baby D (28:31)
• Notable Quotes:
  • “Michael Jackson is probably—no, Michael Jackson is the biggest icon ever.” – Baby D (27:31)

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4. Kanye, Apologies, and Festival Politics (40:04–47:18)

• Kanye’s Path Back to Redemption: Updates on Kanye West’s attempts to reconcile with the Jewish community after anti-Semitic remarks, including mandatory meetings and being banned from the UK’s Wireless Festival.
• Debate Over Industry Forgiveness:
  • “Anytime I've heard anyone say something hateful towards another group… they have to do this." – Rory (41:20)
  • “This adds to the mystique—even though there's no mystique to Kanye, because he'll get out and tell you every damn thing.” – Baby D (42:12)
• Festival Dynamics:
  • Can a headliner’s drama tank an entire festival? The crew jokes about a festival being canceled solely because they can't have Kanye.

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5. Spa Days, Bromance Boundaries, and Men’s Awkwardness (49:02–53:14)

• Gift-Giving & Friendship Lines: Mall gives Damaris a spa day, prompting a whole tangent on why men can’t gift or attend spas together.
  • “If a dude was to ever be like, ‘Yo, I got us a spa day’... We not friends no more.” – Baby D (50:54)
• Male “No-Gos”: Hilarious riffing on men using elevators with delivery guys, or sharing saunas together.
  • “I can't ride the elevator with the Uber Eats guy. I can't.” – Baby D (52:04)

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6. Tour Antics: The Case of Honey-Spitting & Spectacular (53:38–59:34)

• Mandy’s Viral Concert Moment:
  • “Spectacular from Pretty Ricky... He put honey in his mouth and spit it in her mouth.” – Mall (54:09)
• Debate Over Consent, Freakiness, and Tour Rituals: Reflections on whether such acts are “performance art” or just wild.
  • “You could talk all that talk, but... Stick your tongue out to get honey? You really about that.” – Mall (57:41)
  • “He needs that chlamydia prep for sure.” – Rory (55:34)
• Memorable Quote:
  • “We all have dreams. Some of us hit that REM sleep and get some good sleep.” – Baby D (55:09)

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7. Music, Features, and “Profoundness” in Rap (65:06–76:34)

• Shout-outs & Feature Pricing:
  • Rory shares sticker shock at Bryson Tiller’s feature rates:
    “That's my entire recording budget. I'm not even joking.” – Rory (67:35)
• Dream & Tricky Stewart Reunion: General excitement for new Dream music.
• Self-Awareness vs. Self-Love in Creativity:
  • “Self-awareness is more important than self-love... The best artists I know personally hate 99% of their shit.” – Rory (73:00)

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8. Rap Debates: Is Jay-Z “Profound”? (81:12–91:03)

• Bomani Jones Debate Segment: Responding to Bomani’s “Jay-Z’s billion doesn't inspire me” and a Ringer podcaster’s claim “Jay-Z’s never said anything profound.”
  • “If that story doesn't inspire you on some scale… that's a very inspirational story.” – Baby D (83:24)
  • “Like, do you fools listen to music or just skim through it?” – Rory (89:49)
• Lines Highlighted as Profound:
  • The intro to “Can I Live,” “The Story of OJ,” and “Smile” cited as Jay’s most thoughtful work.
• Comparison Critique: The panel calls out bizarre claims that Mobb Deep and LL Cool J are more profound than Jay-Z.

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9. Listener Voicemails: First Date Crime Museum? (91:40–98:19)

• Should You Take a Date to a Serial Killer Museum?:
  • “First date, you shouldn’t take a girl on a serial killer experience.” – Baby D (92:36)
  • Mall and Rory note true crime’s immense popularity with women, but advise to only try it if you know she’s into it.

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10. Closing Riffs: Sex Positivity & “Don’t Yuck My Yum” (99:28–104:45)

• Slut-shaming & Sexual Openness: Baby D and Rory get into a candid, comedic convo about sexual acts (“eating ass”), double standards, and not judging women for their tastes.
  • “Don’t yuck my yum!” – Baby D (102:23)
  • “You were twerking at an Ice Spice show. Shy is the wrong word.” – Baby D (69:12)
• Living in the Moment:
  • “I thought in my head, Rory, cherish this moment… This is probably not going to happen again.” – Rory recounting a wild sexual adventure (103:32)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “You can just filter it out with a strainer… filter out chlamydia.” – Mall & Baby D (04:10-04:15)
• “If you take your vitamin C and your black seed oil and then your chlamydia prep… how you living right now?” – Baby D (06:07)
• “Water being trendy is crazy.” – Rory (08:12)
• “We see LeBron in the back... bopping to one of the records on Iceman—it’s gonna be like, come on, bro.” – Baby D (19:03)
• “He’s chipping away at ice. Downtown Toronto.” – Rory, re: the Iceman rollout (15:30)
• “I don’t want Kith Michael Jackson… Leave that alone.” – Baby D (30:46)
• “Men cannot go to the spa together. Life is not designed that way.” – Baby D (50:54)
• “Spectacular is going city to city spitting in women’s mouths… This nigga’s going spitting in women’s mouth. Yo, women are so dumb at times, bro.” – Baby D (55:32)
• “You could be Call Her Daddy, Horrible Decisions girl, but… to get honey spit in your mouth, you really about that!” – Mall (57:44)
• “That's my entire recording budget. I'm not even joking.” – Rory on Bryson Tiller’s feature fee (67:35)
• “Self-awareness is more important than self-love.” – Baby D (71:47)
• “If that story doesn't inspire you… that's a very inspirational story.” – Baby D speaking on Jay-Z’s journey (83:24)
• “Like, do you fools listen to music or just skim through it?” – Rory (89:49)
• “Don’t yuck my yum.” – Baby D (102:23)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Intro & Comedy bits: 03:16–07:56
• Music Release Date Drama: 09:25–13:05
• Drake Album Rollout & Ice Sculpture: 13:05–17:28
• Michael Jackson Biopic & Biopics: 23:26–28:36
• Kanye & Wireless Festival Ban: 40:04–47:18
• Spa Days, Man Boundaries: 49:02–53:14
• Pretty Ricky “Spectacular” Tour Antics: 53:38–59:34
• Jay-Z Profoundness Debate: 81:12–91:03
• Voicemail: Serial Killer Museum Date?: 91:40–98:19
• Sex-Positivity/Don’t Yuck My Yum: 99:28–104:45

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Overall Tone & Style

As always, the episode is a mix of raw honesty, fast punchlines, and almost no topic off-limits—poking fun at each other and the world, constantly jumping from laughter to genuine debate. The group’s language keeps it real and entirely uncensored, with much of the humor rooted in gender roles, sex positivity, and calling out absurdities in both pop culture and themselves.

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Useful For:
Fans who missed the episode but want all the best moments, anyone who loves hip hop culture debates, wild tour stories, and hilarious NSFW group ribbing. This summary collects the best banter, debates, and insights with none of the filler.

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Transcript

[Mall]

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[Rory]

Getting the morale up.

[Baby D]

I'm so excited. Oh man, thank you, thank you, thank you. We are back.

[Mall]

You think was like clapping for you.

[Baby D]

That's what it felt like. When I walk in the room, they start clapping. Baby.

[Rory]

When was the last time that happened?

[Baby D]

Just now.

[Rory]

But you were already in the room.

[Baby D]

I know, but we waited till the camera started rolling.

[Rory]

Well, I was getting the morale up like.

[Baby D]

Oh, I thought you was. Oh, I thought you was clapping for. Yeah, for mall. My bad.

[Rory]

No. All right, clapping.

[Baby D]

Good to see you too, man.

[Rory]

Unless you get clapped up and then.

[Baby D]

No, no, no, we don't want that.

[Rory]

And then when you walk in, we'll all give you a round.

[Baby D]

What's worse, when the tea bag breaks and when the condom breaks.

[Rory]

A tea bag for sure.

[Baby D]

It's such an inconvenience.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Like you make a good cup of tea and then you start stirring it and realize the like all of the, the fillings, the like the tea is just now all in the water. Like it's either like what I'm gonna

[Rory]

do, like especially green tea drink sand, really bitter.

[Mall]

You can just filter it out with a strainer.

[Baby D]

That's too much.

[Mall]

Yeah, filter out chlamydia.

[Baby D]

Yes you can. You can.

[Rory]

I've had it. Yeah, it takes like a week and it's gone. You should take penicillin, filter it out.

[Mall]

Penicillin is not what you take for chlamydia.

[Rory]

But I. Oh whatever they gave me, I don't know. Yeah, I thought it was penicillin. This was the night.

[Mall]

Clindamycin or something like that. Penicillin is for gonorrhea.

[Rory]

Well, maybe I had gonorrhea.

[Baby D]

You're very informed on this topic.

[Mall]

I'm allergic to penicillin, so I know what penicillin can and can't care cuz I'm allergic to penicillin, so good way

[Baby D]

to clean that up. Abd. I like that.

[Rory]

It's like that girl that says she's allergic to latex.

[Baby D]

Remember her? Where is she at right now?

[Rory]

Pregnant.

[Baby D]

Where is she at?

[Rory]

Seventh kid.

[Baby D]

Where's the girl? I was like, I'm allergic to that. It get irritates me like where is she at? I'm like, how she, how Is she doing check on her?

[Rory]

You're far older than us. You were probably around for, like, lambskin condoms, right? For sure. The Maris and I are latex era.

[Baby D]

No.

[Rory]

What was like a lamb? What was that like? What does it feel like?

[Baby D]

I've never used a lamb skin condom in my life. Never. Because I always felt like lambskin condoms was like, because you're vegan. No, I thought it was like the intestines. Like the, you know, like chitlins.

[Rory]

Yeah. No, you're getting in their intestines.

[Baby D]

Yeah, but I never was like lamb skin. I was like, I'm cool. Just give me those.

[Rory]

Do they still sell, like, lambskin?

[Baby D]

Yeah, of course they do. Absolutely.

[Rory]

I mean, I'm from the. For the woman that's allergic NYC Subway condom days.

[Mall]

Oh, they have prep for, like, chlamydia now. You know, they have prep for hiv, so, like, you can take it before you so that you don't. You're less likely to catch hiv. They have it for chlamydia.

[Baby D]

They're slowly rolling.

[Rory]

You got to take prep for chlamydia. Don't that girl, man.

[Mall]

But it's not just the. It's not like it's for people to take, like, regularly. Not like, just before they go one person. Cuz, like, prep is.

[Rory]

You're a certified hoe.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

No matter what gender you are, if you're tape, if you're that much that you need to take prep for chlamydia, you're that many strangers.

[Baby D]

Like, if you take your vitamin C and your black seed oil and then take your chlamydia prep, like, come on, fam. How you living right now? Like, what's up with you?

[Mall]

It's called doxy pep. Doxy, doxy pep.

[Rory]

STD prevention docs, the people that are taking that we need the care for

[Mall]

chlamydia is doxy, doxycycline.

[Baby D]

Oh, okay.

[Mall]

I had not clindamycin. I had it wrong. But yeah.

[Baby D]

All right.

[Mall]

That's crazy. I didn't know that.

[Baby D]

They slowly. They're slowly rolling out the cures while they cook up the new. The new batch of things that will kill us.

[Rory]

And yeah, you know, it's. I'm actually kind of shocked. Well, knock on. Knock on wood. I'm glad there hasn't just been, like, new STDs popping up the way. There's just, like, new diseases.

[Baby D]

Oh, it's on the way. Remember, Remember monkey pox?

[Mall]

I literally just googled what happened to monkey pox.

[Baby D]

Remember that? I literally smoke hookah. Remember that they had all you in Atlanta scared to smoke. They showed that one picture of that black dude was like, hell, no, I do not want to catch that.

[Rory]

Yo, hookah being the. The. The leader in the spread of monkey pox is hilarious, cuz.

[Baby D]

Remember they were saying, like, people smoke hookah. So, you know, everybody in Atlanta, they. They eat their French toast and wash it down with hookah. So, yeah, they like, y' all better be careful down in Atlanta with that passing that hookah around.

[Mall]

They said it still circulates at low levels. A new, more severe strain caused a renewed, ongoing emergency in parts of Africa starting in 2024.

[Rory]

But there, I guess that's not a. A STD, though, right? Like, it didn't come from.

[Mall]

No, I think that's just a no.

[Baby D]

Okay.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's kind of nuts.

[Baby D]

So listen, man, just be careful out there. And wash your hands. Remember that. Remember, wash your hands, stand six feet away from each other.

[Rory]

Look what it took to get people to wash their hands.

[Baby D]

Yo, they had us in a blender in 2020, bro. Like, they had us in a complete blender.

[Rory]

I knew the world was going to shit when washing your hands became trendy for the first time in 2020. And remember in, like, 2012 when drinking water became trendy?

[Baby D]

Oh, yeah, 100%.

[Rory]

Yo, water being trendy is crazy.

[Baby D]

Yo, drink your water. All right? Like, I've been doing that.

[Rory]

Fine.

[Baby D]

All right, Whatever you say.

[Rory]

Bragging on Instagram about drinking water. It's like, yo, what have you been doing the last 20 years of your life?

[Baby D]

Crazy, man. It's crazy times, bro.

[Rory]

Yeah, well, I'm happy to say I got my prescriptions. I don't know if they work for my physique, but at least I don't have to look like a douchebag and wear sunglasses on a podcast anymore. Okay, but these are here to protect my eyes. Maybe I'll find some other styles, but it look good. Thanks, man.

[Baby D]

Look a little waspy, but, you know.

[Mall]

Yeah, looks good to never be an Anglo Saxon.

[Rory]

Well, first of all, I'm a devout Catholic, so I would never. With the Protestants like that. First of all, you in Northern Ireland can stay the far over there, but. Yeah, no, I would. They are a little WASPy, though.

[Baby D]

Yeah. Yeah, a little bit.

[Rory]

Like, where are the wasps now? Are they Connecticut? Like, where did the wasps end up?

[Mall]

Definitely Connecticut. Boston.

[Baby D]

Maine. The main area.

[Mall]

Maine.

[Rory]

Boston's too blue collar.

[Baby D]

That's.

[Rory]

That's Catholic all day, but yeah, maybe. I've never been to Maine. That's on my Bucket list.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Rory]

We got to go to Maine.

[Baby D]

Maybe.

[Rory]

These glasses. Yeah, fit right in.

[Baby D]

Maine is nice. Beautiful, beautiful place, especially in the fall.

[Rory]

Anyways, May 15th. I feel like Damaris owes me dinner. But it's cool. We did the prices right. What?

[Baby D]

You said May 1st.

[Rory]

I said May 8th.

[Mall]

Oh, you couldn't go over. I win.

[Rory]

Remember?

[Mall]

Remember we said he couldn't go over?

[Baby D]

He didn't go over.

[Mall]

He did go over.

[Baby D]

He said May 8th.

[Mall]

Oh, you.

[Rory]

Hi.

[Mall]

You're right.

[Baby D]

That Syracuse school system cooked you, didn't it?

[Mall]

I mean, we both podcasts.

[Baby D]

They cooked. You didn't. She said he went over.

[Mall]

We got the same job.

[Baby D]

I'm like 8, 9, 10. How did he go over?

[Rory]

Well, I'm happy that we will be getting a Drake album very soon. But listen, man, I had to push my shit back. I was putting out my single and video on May 15th. No fucking way now.

[Baby D]

Oh, really?

[Rory]

May 15th was my day. It was in the DSP system.

[Baby D]

Oh, wow.

[Rory]

I called Brit so quick, I said, let's push that to the 24th.

[Baby D]

No, leave it. Why not? You want to be on DSPs when everybody is downloading the Drake album?

[Rory]

No, no.

[Baby D]

Why?

[Mall]

Cool.

[Rory]

It's going to be Drake day. Like, I don't think that I'm at a level where I would compete to begin with. I'm just saying everyone's just going to be focused on that. I don't want to put out my narrative script music video on the day that everyone's just listening to Iceman. Put, like, a lot of work into this. A lot of money, a lot. A lot of hours went into putting this video together. I'm putting it out the day Iceman comes out.

[Baby D]

I'm not. Yo, which. Which is song out.

[Mall]

Ball a terrible friend.

[Baby D]

What?

[Mall]

Hey, baby.

[Rory]

Put your little tune out.

[Baby D]

Yeah, put your. Put your.

[Rory]

Put that. Put that little number out.

[Baby D]

You know why I'm laughing? All right, all right. So what's the new date?

[Rory]

I'm probably gonna do the 24th.

[Baby D]

A week later. Like, are still listening, actually.

[Rory]

For sure. But at least it won't be the day of. Like, that's gonna be. Bro. No one's even talking about Iran that day.

[Mall]

Like, why can't you put out May.

[Rory]

Why don't put out May 8? The only thing people are gonna be talking about, whether you love him or hate him is Drake.

[Mall]

Why don't you put out May 8th?

[Rory]

Because the 15th is. Gave me, like, the Runway. I needed to get everything edited, you know, put together the plan.

[Baby D]

Oh, okay.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Baby D]

So the 24th.

[Mall]

Just push it to June, bro.

[Baby D]

Just get out of it. Get out of May's way.

[Rory]

Maybe just step on the hard drive. Never put it on.

[Baby D]

Oh, man.

[Rory]

You know, you don't think I should do, like, a Thursday night midnight premiere when Iceman.

[Baby D]

Yeah, I think that's a great idea. Go ahead. We see you do that. Yo, but, yeah, I'm laughing.

[Rory]

They'll be like, me, I put something out, too.

[Baby D]

I'm laughing because how many artists you think has something coming May 15 as well? Doing the same, Rory doing, like, I

[Rory]

don't think there's any shame in it. Like, of course people lie about. Like, what's wrong with saying, no? I don't want to drop when the biggest artist is dropping.

[Baby D]

I'm just laughing because it's you. And I just know when you saw that date, you was probably like, you got on the phone so bad. Oh, man. Great times, man.

[Rory]

I called Aristotle. He was in the editing session for the videos. Why do we have to push? I was like, we got time. Take.

[Baby D]

Take the night off. Take the night off. We don't have to meet that deadline anymore. Oh, my God.

[Rory]

Yeah, no, it's fine. On Thursday. You know what? I'll. I'll bring, like, an ice tray out. Yeah, right. Right out front. And we could do a live stream.

[Baby D]

Yeah, that's all. It's all good. But the Release date is May 15th for Iceman, the album. One of the streamers. Kishka is his name.

[Rory]

Yeah. My first time hearing, but I'm out the loop, so.

[Baby D]

Yeah, no disrespect. Freema Kishka. He found the bag at the ice sculpture in Toronto. He was able to, you know, break through some of the ice, get the bag, and then he had to go to Drake's crib and open the bag, and there was a booklet inside, and it was a bunch of little, you know.

[Rory]

You don't think he took a peek in the crumbs? You think he waited to. He definitely, like, looked at it.

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I don't.

[Baby D]

I don't think he could open it until he got that. I think one of those type of bags that was, like, locked. Yeah, I think so. At least that's. That's. That's the way it seemed. But it had a lot of little breadcrumbs in the book. Lot of little, I guess, hidden messages.

[Rory]

They weren't so hidden. It's just a photo of Sexyy Red and Pinocchio in a scope.

[Baby D]

What does it mean?

[Rory]

You didn't have to overthink that. What does it mean sexy Reds on the album? And he's still mad at Kendrick Lamar? Pretty obvious. I don't think we need what you think. I don't think we needed. What's the dirt to break that one down?

[Baby D]

Okay.

[Rory]

I think that one is just straight up what it is.

[Baby D]

All right, well, we gotta wait and see who's on the album.

[Rory]

Or he just likes Sexy Red.

[Baby D]

Yeah. Or it could be like, I'm a rich baby daddy. It could be code for that. I don't know. No, you don't think so?

[Rory]

May 15th, man.

[Baby D]

I know. That's what I'm saying, man. I'm just trying to. Me, just trying to figure out what some of this means. He also gave Kishka 50,000 in cash, which is pretty cool, you know?

[Rory]

I mean, how much money does this guy have? Every time I look up, it's like drake gift someone $100 million. Drake. Drake buys streamer. 10 billion subscribers.

[Baby D]

Yeah, man. You know, he gives. He wants to give back. He's in the giving mood. So he gave the streamer $50,000.

[Rory]

No, he. He's. He's in the. The gambling world, where he's trying to get that money off his books. He'll take some of this.

[Baby D]

Just get it out of here. Get it out of here.

[Rory]

Get it out of here.

[Baby D]

Get it out of here. Get it out. Get it out my house.

[Rory]

But no, this. This was a cool, cool rollout. I think it was a really cool social experiment just to see how far we've all come.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Rory]

As a society, I think it was

[Baby D]

cool to get people engaged and have all the streamers come out. People were getting haircuts on top. Somebody shot somebody, created, I think, a song, like some music out there, you know, give. Give the fans and the streamers something to just come together collectively and, you know, sharing that moment.

[Rory]

I saw some girl tweet. Imagine your man ignores your calls because he's chipping away at ice. Downtown Toronto.

[Baby D]

Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? I gotta go break that ice, man. Let's go break the ice. It would have been great to have, like, a speed date out there. Break the ice.

[Rory]

Yeah. Oh, I. I see. I see.

[Baby D]

Come on, man. Listen, this is why.

[Rory]

Well, there's still time.

[Baby D]

No, I think they melted. I think they. The fire department tore it down, right? Yeah, I think they. They tore it now, so it's not. It's not there anymore.

[Rory]

Well, you. I mean, you could be part of the rollout then. Like, it could be speed dating with mall to break the ice. Like, that could be part of the official rollout. Like, maybe they do it at the embassy, like, in the backyard with you and some eligible bachelorettes.

[Baby D]

I think the rollout is done, though. Like, we got the date.

[Rory]

You think it's dead? Yeah, it's like, three weeks. You think Drake's gonna be quiet for three weeks? I don't think we get a record. I think we're just gonna get the album. But I definitely think Drake's gonna be doing a lot of rollout.

[Baby D]

Like, what?

[Rory]

Oh, I don't know.

[Baby D]

Some of the things you think he'll

[Rory]

do, I think he'll do. I think he'll do a little streamer, run, like, interviews.

[Baby D]

Okay.

[Rory]

I do think he had that great idea, which I don't think we're snitching, but a long time ago, before COVID I think it was when he wanted to do that, like, Media Day room, where he invited everybody and, like, each person got, like, 10 minutes to interview. I think he'll do something along those lines again. I can see that, but I just don't see him being quiet for. For three weeks after the ice sculpture thing.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Do you think we'll get music?

[Baby D]

No.

[Rory]

Yeah, I'm on the side.

[Baby D]

He's just going to drop. No, I think we get another Iceman episode and, you know, then the album. This is my guess. I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing that's. I could see that happening because he didn't tie it all the way in the last episode. We got an Iceman kind of him in the room with the bag. You know what I mean? So it's like, I think that he'll probably tie all of that together and then give us the album.

[Rory]

Gotcha. Who. Who do you think is going to get the most. The most bars on this? Umg? Cole Ross. Who's going to be in the Line of Fire? Besides the Pinocchio tidbit that he gave

[Baby D]

us, I mean, I'm sure he's going to address, you know, as he should, any of the last two and a half years, what happened, what he been through, his experience, his life, which is what any artist is supposed to do if you take some time off in between albums, you know, when you come back, you usually, you know, give us an update on what's going on, what you've been doing, life experiences, moments. So, you know, his last two and a half years has been, you know, kind of. Well, no. Very publicized as far as, you know, certain things go. But I think we'll get some of that. We'll. We'll get some of his feelings and emotions behind certain things that happen, which is what I think album is supposed to be. Right? Supposed to be experiences. Like, what did. What did this artist experience? Tell us what you've been up to. Tell us what you've been doing and things like that.

[Rory]

So do we think LeBron posts a video on his way to the arena, bopping to his own disc record? Bron's getting bars.

[Baby D]

Bars.

[Rory]

Yeah. He got a style.

[Baby D]

Yeah, but I think that. I don't think that's. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I. You know, if it's. It's good music. I think LeBron is, you know, he's. If he likes music, he's a historian. Yeah.

[Rory]

He'll put personal aside for the love of.

[Baby D]

And he's Iceman deluxe as well, so you know that. But. Yeah, I don't know. I don't. I don't know. I think. I think if LeBron does it, he knows it'll be looked at as trolling just off of their relationship. No, I get that part. But you know how it's going to come across if we see LeBron in the back of the back and he's bobbing to one of the records on Iceman, it's gonna be like, come on, bro.

[Rory]

I mean, I. Listen, if I got bars, I'd probably still listen to the record.

[Baby D]

Yeah, of course you would.

[Rory]

It's good.

[Baby D]

Yeah. Why not dance to your diss track Sometimes it's okay.

[Rory]

But. Yeah. Do you. Do you have any. Any more inside information?

[Baby D]

Nope.

[Rory]

While. While we sit here and wait. You said that pretty quick. I didn't like. Did you know the May 15th date when we were doing this bet?

[Baby D]

Yep.

[Rory]

God damn it.

[Mall]

That's some whack. You could have text me.

[Baby D]

Text you what?

[Mall]

You could have text me. Like, what? Like, nah, bet. Like, bit higher. Like, you could have.

[Baby D]

Can't do that, man.

[Mall]

That's crazy.

[Rory]

Well, just let me know when your homegirl's free for you to take us to dinner.

[Mall]

Yeah, she's slim right now, but she's freaking. I definitely got you.

[Baby D]

She's slim.

[Rory]

I definitely got you.

[Baby D]

She slammed right now, but I definitely got you.

[Rory]

When is she free?

[Baby D]

She ain't never free.

[Rory]

Put us in a group chat now.

[Mall]

Spring, summer.

[Baby D]

Like when women say that I'm never free. I make time.

[Mall]

I make time. I'm never free. I'm very expensive.

[Baby D]

I know that's right.

[Mall]

Why y' all be Hating on women in their photo captions. Be getting off.

[Baby D]

I didn't hate. When did. Where did the hate come from? Over here.

[Rory]

He put a money bag under that caption.

[Baby D]

Yeah, Me hating. Come on, now. You know, but I'm not hating on no one. Me know that. I love it. I love when they put captures like that.

[Rory]

We can go to your homegirl. They make it easier.

[Mall]

No, like, she's, like, training for, like,

[Rory]

the marathon, which she has to eat then. I mean, food is fuel.

[Mall]

Said food is fuel.

[Baby D]

She has to. She has to eat if she's training. She has to. She can't train and not fuel her body. For sure.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You remember when they did the doc on Puff running the marathon of how dramatic that was? Like, no. You're running around the city. They put dramatic music behind an ice bath. Like he was going in for surgery.

[Baby D]

He was. Man. He said his toenails fell off.

[Mall]

Wait, what?

[Baby D]

You remember that?

[Mall]

I never saw that.

[Baby D]

Yeah, he said his toenails fell off after the race. You know, that happens, like, when you run long periods of time.

[Mall]

No, I. I never ran that long of a period of time that my toenail.

[Baby D]

Like, just constant pounding on the pavement. Yeah, sometimes your toenails. So not all of them, but sometimes a toenail fall off.

[Rory]

I was a sprinter.

[Mall]

Oh, but you didn't do cross country.

[Rory]

Well, actually, the side of my left foot on here got very bad from running.

[Baby D]

Oh, because you run, like, because we.

[Rory]

On the curves. I had to. You know, I hit the turn.

[Baby D]

Yeah, you hit the turn. You gotta.

[Rory]

You lean into. Lean into the bobsledder.

[Baby D]

Yeah, you gotta lean into that.

[Rory]

Well, anyways, can someone please explain to me why Stevie Wonder was at a movie screening?

[Mall]

M said to check to make sure the soundtrack was right.

[Rory]

He's heard the songs before.

[Baby D]

Yeah, but Stevie had to make sure they got it right to make sure the. The music was tight.

[Rory]

No one else found that odd?

[Baby D]

I'm just saying.

[Rory]

Why. Why is Stevie at the screening?

[Mall]

Because he can still hear the. You can still hear the movie?

[Rory]

No, for sure. It's just. It's a screening.

[Baby D]

He makes a good point. I love Stevie, but I'm just saying, like, he ain't had to go to the screening.

[Rory]

Like, I saw. I saw Chance post a picture with Stevie. Like, if I ever ran into Stevie, I would definitely want to get a photo as well. It was amazing. But, like, do you think at the after party, like, with, you know, banter or whatever, anyone's like, yo, Stevie, what you thought of the movie?

[Baby D]

Sounds good. Yeah. It sounded great.

[Rory]

The sound design was impeccable.

[Baby D]

Yo, what was this? Imax, y'. All Ain't, you know, Stevie can hear everything. Like, he's like, yo, one of those speakers is out, though. Like, one of the speakers over here was out. But sounded. Sounded amazing.

[Rory]

But, yeah, I was very jealous of everyone that went to the. The debut. It looked like a lot of fun. It's been weird. Everyone that's seen it has said it's great, except for actual movie critics. For some reason, it feels like they've all been paid to on this movie.

[Mall]

I don't know about paid to on this movie. Oh, I'll pay to.

[Baby D]

I just. I just don't think people be paid to on it.

[Mall]

Sure. But I. I don't think Rotten Tomatoes is giving it a 27 because someone paid Rotten Tomatoes.

[Baby D]

I just think, well, it said it's only, what, 40 reviews on Rotten Tomatoes,

[Rory]

so, I mean, but either way, like, can it be?

[Baby D]

That's crazy, though. 27% is crazy on Rotten Tomatoes. That's wild. I wasn't expecting to see that. Like, that's like, I'm going to see it. I don't care. What Rotten Tomatoes. Yeah, I'm going to see the movie. But that is kind of, like, disappointing, though, to see that. Like, damn. Like, I hope they got it right, man. I hope that, you know, Rotten Tomatoes is just wrong or, you know, people just hating. I hope this movie is not terrible. It can't be. No, no, no, no. Worse than what Flex Alexander gave us years ago.

[Rory]

His version, that was a cult classic.

[Mall]

You know, for the longest. I really thought that that was just, like, a sketch because I'd never saw the movie. So when I would see, like, the clips or whatever, I always thought it was, like, the jokes I didn't know that were serious about that.

[Rory]

I still don't know if they were serious.

[Baby D]

You have to watch that movie. Like, you have to. It's one of those where it's like, just watch it. Like, it's terrible, but you have to be able to say, yeah, I saw that movie.

[Mall]

It.

[Baby D]

That. That shit is terrible. And this movie can't be no worse than that.

[Rory]

That's probably. Yeah, that's probably number one worse.

[Baby D]

It is the worst Michael Jackson shit we've ever had.

[Rory]

I'm just thinking of biopics, period. The Aaliyah one was. Was rough. That was on. What was that? FX did that.

[Mall]

It might have been Lifetime.

[Rory]

I think life was Lifetime. That one was really rough. Yeah, like, really rough.

[Mall]

Every Whitney one is bad.

[Baby D]

True.

[Mall]

They have not had a good Whitney one ever.

[Rory]

Yeah, I mean, they nailed tlc.

[Baby D]

I felt like somebody just do the Whitney. Or is the Whitney movie coming out?

[Mall]

They did a Whitney. They've done multiple movies.

[Rory]

The newest one, I think is the best one, though. Yeah, the ones before that were.

[Baby D]

When did that one come out? The last one?

[Rory]

I think last year. Two years ago.

[Baby D]

I haven't seen that one yet. That one?

[Rory]

Yeah. 2022. I mean, the trail looked all right,

[Baby D]

but what did rotten tomatoes give that? 43. Oh, okay.

[Rory]

Yeah. Well, yeah, I think they nailed TLC was great. Even though they were drinking Sok in 1995.

[Baby D]

The best one is the Jackson story.

[Mall]

Yeah, the Jackson's an American American.

[Baby D]

That's probably the best one we've got.

[Mall]

But that's not a movie technically, so technically a TV show.

[Baby D]

It was a serious. Yeah.

[Rory]

You know, Quiet is kept. They nailed the New Edition one.

[Baby D]

That was.

[Rory]

That is phenomenal.

[Baby D]

That was incredible. The New Edition one was incredible.

[Rory]

That was really, really good. I may have preferred that style with a Michael Jackson thing because there's just so much to cover. Yeah, I feel like you need four or five hours to do that.

[Mall]

They said this movie stops in the early 80s or start stops in the mid-80s.

[Baby D]

But they're doing a part two, correct?

[Mall]

Yeah, that's what they had said they were gonna do.

[Baby D]

They said they're doing a Part two?

[Rory]

Yeah. Not if Rotten Tomatoes has anything to say for it.

[Baby D]

Yeah. I'm gonna go see it, though. I just, you know, I'm hoping that they got it right. I mean, the cast looks great. I mean, his nephew, Jafar, he looked like. He, you know, obviously spent hours studying his uncle and trying to get all the moves and the mannerisms together. So, I mean, you know, the attention to detail is there. I just don't know why it's gotten 27% on Rotten Tomatoes. Like, that scares me. Like, what did y' all see at that premiere that got y' all at 27%? Like, what did y' all walk out of this in?

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, again, like we talked last episode, you kind of can't win for losing on this. Cause it's Mike. Like, no matter what, is it really gonna meet the standards that we think of of Mike?

[Baby D]

It's such a. It's just such an iconic figure that you can't. It's tough to cover that. What is this 2 hours and 20 minutes of the movie? Something like that. It's tough to cover such an icon and what they've done this Is. I mean, Michael Jackson is probably. No, Michael Jackson is the biggest icon ever. Like, there's no doubt about that. So when you, you know, 2 hours and 20 minutes to kind of tell that story, some things are not going to be in there. Some things are going to be. You want them to spend more time on certain aspects or certain moments in his life. 2 hours and 20 minutes is just not. It's not gonna cover that.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

So, I mean, that's why I would like a series how they did An American Dream. But the Jackson story, to me, would probably do it more just. Cause you have time to kind of go through the 70s and the 80s and the 90s and then the early 2000s. Like, you have time to kind of go through. What's that, three, almost four decades. Like, you know, so, yeah, I don't know. Two hours and 20 minutes trying to tell a Michael Jackson story. Yeah. I don't know if that's enough time.

[Rory]

Yeah. There was criticism that it didn't cover the allegations, but Damaris, if you're saying it ends in, like, the 80s for part one.

[Baby D]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

Then, wow. Like, that would not be a focal point at all.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Rory]

In that regard. And also, like, I think it should be covered, but I don't. I don't feel like that should be the focus. Then just make the Michael Jackson allegation movie. Like, yeah, it was a big part of his career, but just focusing on that, I think does it injustice. Like, now we're just doing a crime doc at this point.

[Baby D]

I mean, if they're gonna focus on that part or if they're gonna cover that part in the movie, I would love for them, obviously, to lean on the family that was around him to know what Michael was saying in those moments and, you know, his emotions and his feelings and, you know, the conversations, like, if they are willing to, you know, obviously expose some of those moments with the public, that would be the only time I would want them to get into that. Like, tell me that, you know, this is what Jermaine said, and this is what, you know, his brother said. This is what Janet said he was saying and feeling like, don't just put something in the movie and be like, yo, we kind of guessed this is how he felt in that moment. Like, no, no, no, no. If you're gonna get into that and y' all gonna give us that. Let it come from the family and then have them sit with the writers and then put in the movie. If not, just skip right over that.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, well, either way, Definitely dedicating my weekend to getting a ticket.

[Baby D]

Definitely.

[Rory]

Even if I just go by myself.

[Baby D]

You're gonna wear some loafers. Hot waters.

[Rory]

I do that.

[Baby D]

Yeah. You gotta throw in the loafers, man.

[Rory]

Yes. Wale had the fit down pat. That was. I was also jealous of everyone that went to the premiere because, like, you got to dress like Michael. Like, that's just a fun thing to do. Not on Halloween.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Of 30 of your friends all dressed like Michael Jackson now, Wally nailed that pause. But, yeah, I mean, I. Yeah, I'll throw. I'll throw on some. Some loafers and white socks.

[Baby D]

You got to.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Go a little. Try to hit a moonwalking.

[Baby D]

Put the glitter socks on, man. I heard they selling merch at select theaters, I think of the movie. So you definitely got to get some of that.

[Rory]

Yeah, we definitely need the Kith Michael Jackson collab.

[Baby D]

No, no, no, no, no, no. I don't know.

[Rory]

You don't want.

[Mall]

No, I need that.

[Rory]

You don't want the Ronnie loafers?

[Baby D]

Oh, no, no, no. I don't want Kith Michael Jackson. I don't want you. No, would not.

[Rory]

I listen, I thought the same thing when they kiss, and I wanted some of that Soprano.

[Baby D]

Yeah, but the Sopranos and Michael Jackson. Come on, man. I don't want to see Michael Kith. I don't want that. I don't want to see Michael kiss.

[Rory]

Have they ever done Mike Tyson collab?

[Mall]

Yeah, P said. Yeah,

[Baby D]

I don't remember that one that

[Mall]

they did now Kiss.

[Baby D]

No, that wasn't. That was.

[Mall]

That was not an official.

[Baby D]

That wasn't an official Kith. They were saying now Kiff. But if Kith was. They should have snatched that.

[Rory]

Word. No, for sure.

[Baby D]

They definitely should have snatched that.

[Rory]

But you couldn't see Kith doing, like, the Michael hat or a glove. Come on.

[Baby D]

Nah.

[Rory]

You know, Ame does the driving gloves. They gotta do the Michael glove.

[Baby D]

Nah, I don't. I don't want that, man. Leave that alone.

[Mall]

A lot of people won't because of the allegations. They won't touch stuff like that.

[Baby D]

That's not really. Look at. Look at the pants. Look at the pants.

[Rory]

Kids dig into Michael's pants for a salty treat.

[Baby D]

Come on, man. See what I'm saying? You see how they disrespect the legends? Look how they do us. Look. What is like, come on.

[Mall]

Who did that?

[Baby D]

Like, Come on, man. This is out of control, man. This is out of control.

[Rory]

No. That's hilarious.

[Baby D]

That's. Look at this, man.

[Rory]

Is Neverland Ranch still, like. I don't say operating, but does the estate own it? Like, whatever happened? Like, are the rides still.

[Mall]

The rides are not riding.

[Baby D]

I don't think it's still. It's still. You mean, is it still there? Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

They should have done the premiere there in the backyard. No, they don't do the Ferris wheel and watch the movie.

[Baby D]

The Neverland Ranch is not open to the public as a theme park or museum. It was purchased by billionaire ron Burkel in 2020 for 22 million. It is now a private estate known as Sycamore Valley Ranch.

[Rory]

You can't just rename Neverland Ranch.

[Baby D]

The property was recently restored for filming the 2025 Michael Jackson biopic Michael. So, yeah, they obviously filmed some of it there.

[Rory]

Obviously, 22 million is a lot of money, but you. That's not low to buy Neverland Ranch?

[Baby D]

I don't think so.

[Mall]

Because, like, what are you gonna do with it? Like, okay, I bought it, but, like, Michael Jackson's house. That's fine. Is that, like.

[Baby D]

That's a stat you pull up to my game? Like, you know, this is Michael Jackson, man. You know how crazy that is that I bought Michael Jackson's house? That's fucking crazy. This is. This was Neverland Ranch. What? That is crazy.

[Rory]

I mean, despite the bad press, it still is a very legendary place.

[Baby D]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

Definitely had some PR problems, but other than that, it's a monument.

[Baby D]

Is Graceland still a museum?

[Rory]

Think so, yeah.

[Mall]

Oh, that's real.

[Baby D]

Yeah. Well, I was. I was. I was here.

[Rory]

You saw Paradise?

[Mall]

I saw the Paradise.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

I didn't know it was real.

[Baby D]

Yeah. Hell, yeah, that's real.

[Rory]

Have you been in the Motown house in Detroit?

[Baby D]

Yeah, that's.

[Rory]

That's.

[Baby D]

That was dope.

[Rory]

That was cool. But, yeah, I'm shocked that they haven't tried to, like, make Neverland Ranch something, I mean, I guess, because the allegations. But wouldn't that be a place for a museum?

[Baby D]

Oh, yeah. The Motown house was fire, though. Like, walking through those different rooms and that being a room where the Jacksons and Marvin Gaye and Stevie Wonder, like, seeing all of that and, like, it's still being like. I mean, it was one room that they took us to. It still had the hole in the ceiling, and they used that because they never covered it because the acoustics just sounded better when they was recording there. And them telling you Diana Ross and the Supremes recorded, like, you standing in this room where all of this legendary black music was created. I don't know. And then there's some people that live in Detroit that never been there. I'm like, how the fuck have y' all never been to this? I'll probably go there every month, like, just to like.

[Rory]

I've been twice.

[Baby D]

That's what I'm saying. Like, that shit is just some incredible. Like this is right here in your city, like. And you've never gone crazy. If you get a chance to go, you definitely gotta go see the Motowns.

[Rory]

Have you ever been up in the Empire State Building?

[Baby D]

Yeah, I mean, as a kid, but that was like a school trip.

[Rory]

I've done Statue of Liberty once with a school trip, and that's the only time I've never been up in the Empire State Building.

[Baby D]

Yeah, but the Empire State Building in the Motown.

[Rory]

I'm just trying to think of like iconic things in your city.

[Baby D]

It's not. Nah, but this is Motown. This is like. Are you kidding? Michael Jackson recorded here, bro.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

What are we talking about? How do you not go there?

[Rory]

No, it's, it's. It puts things in perspective when you go there. Like what the was in the water like that. All these people ended up in this house.

[Baby D]

It's crazy.

[Rory]

It's absolutely insane.

[Baby D]

And we've never seen nothing like it probably since. No, I'm talking about a label had.

[Rory]

Hell no.

[Baby D]

You know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

Like, it's the Motown. No, it's Motown. And then everybody else.

[Baby D]

Yeah. Incredible.

[Rory]

Yeah. But yeah, Demerit. You should definitely go. You. You would really enjoy it. That's. That's definitely a must in Detroit after jets, pizza and sweetwater wings. And women. Listen, man, just Detroit is great.

[Baby D]

Women.

[Rory]

What can I tell?

[Baby D]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

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[Kal Penn]

hey everyone, it's Kal Penn. I'm the host of Irsay The Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club. This week on the podcast, I am sitting down with Ray Porter, the narrator of Andy Weir's audiobook project, Hail Mary Massive sci fi adventure about survival and science and what happens when you wake up alone, very far from Earth.

[Ray Porter]

I really had to make a decision because I caught myself getting that frog in my throat and starting to get teary as I'm narrating some of these sections and it's like, okay, yo yo yo, is this indulgent? And I really thought about it. I was like, no. At this point it would kind of be betraying the trust the author and the listener have in telling this story if I don't go through it. But there's places in this book that that deeply, emotionally affected me and I left it on the mic. That's great because it served the story. People will say like, oh my God, I cried at the end. It's like, yeah dude, me too.

[Kal Penn]

Listen to Hearsay, the Audible and iHeart audiobook club on the iHeartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Pandora Jewelry / Ryan Reynolds]

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[Rory]

from Mint Mobile with a message for everyone paying big wireless way too much.

[Pandora Jewelry / Ryan Reynolds]

Please, for the love of everything good

[Rory]

in this world, stop with Mint. You can get premium wireless for just $15 a month. Of course, if you enjoy overpaying, no judgments. But that's weird. Okay, one judgment anyway. Give it a [e-mail] Switch upfront payment

[Mall]

of $45 for 3 month plan equivalent to $15 per month required intro rate first 3 months only, then full price plan options available, taxes and fees extra. See full [e-mail].

[Rory]

Shout out to Kanye. He really, he really wants to do wireless.

[Baby D]

Yo, why they doing this today? Once again, he already sat down with the rabbi earlier, but last late last

[Rory]

year with an interpreter, which he didn't really know what was being communicated.

[Baby D]

So Kanye was leaving a Jewish Human Rights center. This was after he was banned from entering the UK when he was announced to do a wireless festival. So he had to go to the Jewish Human Rights center, have a meeting that was part of the agreement. If he agreed to not do wireless this year and sit down, you know, and talk to I guess whoever was in the Jewish Human Rights center with Kanye just to have a meeting and I guess kind of like work on, you know, some of the relationships that he may have ruined or people he may have offended with some of his rants and things he's said over the past few years. I guess this was the start of it. This is the start of him. Like, you know, I know he's thinking,

[Rory]

damn, Kyrie got off easy. All he had to do was some

[Baby D]

homework, which was crazy. Like all Kyrie did was repost a picture of a documentary. Like he didn't say nothing. He just reposted a documentary. They was like, yo, suspended. What?

[Rory]

But I know this is what everyone has to do after they say hateful things.

[Baby D]

Nah. Like, nah.

[Rory]

Anytime I've heard anyone say something hateful towards another group of people, they have to do this. They're also not allowed in France.

[Baby D]

Did you see Kanye how he was walking out of there? He definitely was walking out of there like some gonna sit down and talk this. He didn't look like he was pissed the off. Like he. Look at him. Hey, can I ask you what you. Last night he didn't come out smiling. Like that was productive talk. You know, everything is cool. You know, like, well, he understands he was wrong now. Yeah, well now he gets.

[Rory]

Puts it in perspective and understands that what he did was wrong.

[Baby D]

This does nothing. But this adds to the allure of Kanye. This is not hurting Kanye in any shape, form, or fashion. Like, I. I don't know if people. Like, this is just adding. Who was talking about mystique the other day? Was it Damaris? This adds to the mystique, even though there's no mystique to Kanye. Because he'll get out. They'll tell you every thing. Yeah, but this just adds to that.

[Rory]

Even knew his doctor was.

[Baby D]

Yeah, like, this just adds to.

[Rory]

Yay.

[Baby D]

Like, this is not. Yo, I was banned from the. That's a flex for Kanye. I'm banned from the uk he got

[Rory]

one of the most popular music festivals, period, canceled because he couldn't go.

[Baby D]

They're just not doing it.

[Rory]

Yeah, they're just literally not doing the festival. You know how insane that is?

[Baby D]

It's crazy.

[Rory]

If one day was like, you know what? No Coachella next month. What?

[Baby D]

Because we can't have you perform.

[Rory]

That's crazy.

[Baby D]

That's a flex. That's a flex. I know Kanye really wants. Obviously, he really wants to do wireless, but.

[Rory]

And there was other. I think it was another show in France that they said he wasn't allowed, and. Yeah, no, he. He realized he has to backtrack a bit. He can't even travel.

[Baby D]

Yeah. But if we know Kanye the way we think we know Kanye when he finally does get on that wireless stage. Cause once he's there, he's there.

[Mall]

Listen, I don't think he's trying to do anything to get back to. Wireless is not happening. Like, you can't cancel a festival and be like, oh, actually, guys, they unbanned Kanye. We're gonna go back and throw it on.

[Rory]

No, no, no. I could see that happening.

[Baby D]

Not this year.

[Mall]

Oh, okay.

[Baby D]

Yeah, not this year. I don't think they'll do that this year. Next year, they're gonna do wireless, and Kanye will be headlining, and when he gets on that stage, he gonna burn it all down. Listen, he gonna get on that. St. It all down.

[Rory]

As much as I do make the jokes about. They're not. This is the only group of people that you have to do this for. In their defense, we have to remember Kanye had an iced out swastika chain. Like, he was doing a lot.

[Baby D]

No, no. For sure, he went crazy. He was. He was going. He was going in. He was.

[Rory]

You got. You have to sit down. You have to take a little bit of a time out. I think after you ice out a swastika and wear it, like, maybe there should be a Little bit of a 15 minute timeout.

[Baby D]

What was the name of the song?

[Rory]

It was called Al Hitler.

[Baby D]

I feel like it was another one, though. He. He had put out.

[Rory]

We're forgetting the other anti Semitic.

[Baby D]

He went on. He went on. He went on a run. He went on a run. See, I'm never getting my boots, man. I'm never getting my.

[Mall]

Yeah, you can hang that up flat screen.

[Baby D]

Yo, pull up the. Pull up the boots that he was putting out him. I wanted those, man. The 20 joints.

[Mall]

Yo, when Kanye put all his merch. That's $20 fire. And what T shirts went those.

[Baby D]

Right. Right there on the bottom left, Right?

[Rory]

Those actually are.

[Mall]

Oh, those are kind of hard.

[Baby D]

Yeah, I wanted those, man.

[Rory]

Man, John Elliott got some just like that.

[Baby D]

Yeah, but that was. I just wanted to see how. How comfortable they were. Whatever 20 it.

[Rory]

What kind of thought you had once you strapped them on.

[Baby D]

Yeah, I just wanted to see, man. I just wanted to see what. What it made me feel like, you know what I'm saying

[Rory]

it.

[Baby D]

Kanye, keep my $20, man. It's all good.

[Rory]

But you have to, like. Did anyone ask what jeweler made the iced out swastika?

[Baby D]

Yeah, that's a whole nother.

[Rory]

And I'm not here to say that there's a large group of people that are in the jewelry industry.

[Baby D]

No, that's. That's. That's exactly what you're here to say,

[Rory]

because it's like Ben Baller and then them

[Baby D]

who made the iced out swastika drink.

[Rory]

And why was top five wearing it?

[Baby D]

Yo, it was some wild simulation. It was some wild going on, man.

[Rory]

But I actually do see a world where if this apology does work because wireless is what, usually July.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Rory]

They sold out in, like a day. They could. I could see them, like in June saying, yo, it's back on. I could see that.

[Baby D]

Think so.

[Rory]

Yeah. Especially if there's like some, you know, anti Semitic awareness sponsorship. Like, you know how they put, like, end racism in the end zone? Like, they could. If that's part of the set, I could see them doing that.

[Mall]

Well, no, because you have to book so many. All of those artists, you have to book them out way in advance. Once you cancel, they make other arrangements.

[Baby D]

Oh, what artists?

[Rory]

I'm telling you, if it's three days

[Mall]

of Kanye West Festival, it's not just him.

[Baby D]

It was going to be just Kanye. Who you talking about?

[Rory]

They didn't announce any other people.

[Baby D]

Just how Drake had it last year, for three days, it was.

[Rory]

It was Drake in summer. Right. It was only Two. I think it was only two hours.

[Baby D]

No, it's not like Drake brought people out different days. It was a different, like, different sounds,

[Mall]

you know, Wireless festival features around 50 artists performing across three days. Like, it, it just. They have headliners.

[Baby D]

Sure.

[Mall]

And somebody can headline three days in a row. But up while people are waiting for the headliner, there's other concerts going on.

[Rory]

Yeah, this. It had Drake, Uzi, Lil Sims, Sampha, Georgia Smith was there. That must have been awkward. But yeah, I mean, either way, I don't think they announced all the other acts though. I think they just announced Kanye at that point and not the other ones. But I still feel like if they do a last minute wireless, you could just have Kanye west for three days. Like. Yeah, that's why it's sold out. You don't think they could just do a Kanye west performance three days in a row.

[Mall]

It's a music fest, a festival all day. No one's like, well, put a Ferris

[Rory]

wheel in a hot dog standing and call it a festival. Like, that's all the festival is now. They just put a Ferris wheel in it.

[Mall]

Well, yeah, of course Kanye fans will swarm to do that, but it's a music festival like. Well, that's like Coachella but just beavers performing.

[Rory]

Due to the circumstances, I. If I'm running wireless, I would be like, well, that's a fair pivot that we have to do.

[Baby D]

It's just kind of asking the wrong questions. You're asking the wrong questions. Will Pepsi be a sponsor again?

[Rory]

They. Well, they don't stand for that. That type of talk, so. No, of course not.

[Baby D]

All right.

[Rory]

Well, unless Pepsi deems that, you know, he's learned his lesson. I'm sure Pepsi was ecstatic and more forgiving once he was at the Jewish Human Rights Center.

[Baby D]

Got it. Okay. So, you know, well, we shall see. I don't think it happened this year, but, I mean, they got some time between now and July to get it, get it together.

[Mall]

I just want to let all the listeners know that Maul did indeed give me my birthday gift.

[Rory]

So that sounded freaky.

[Mall]

Let everybody know that. Because I always be telling everybody how you don't be giving me and. Or doing.

[Baby D]

No you try to pay me like that guy.

[Mall]

I mean.

[Baby D]

But no, I ain't know.

[Mall]

I mean, your boyfriend cheat. You got your boyfriend cheating 15 times.

[Rory]

Times.

[Mall]

And the one time he like, no, I really was home. He like, see autumn. Other times. No, it's one time.

[Baby D]

Nah. But you can only judge me off my latest.

[Rory]

That's true.

[Baby D]

What's my latest showing up birthday gift. Right? Right. Right or wrong.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

That's when you know some right or wrong.

[Baby D]

Right or wrong?

[Rory]

Yes or yes.

[Baby D]

Right. I'm just saying. Right did not give you your birthday gift.

[Mall]

You did.

[Baby D]

All right, then. That's all I'm saying.

[Rory]

What was the gift?

[Mall]

Spa day.

[Rory]

Oh, that's nice.

[Baby D]

Okay. See, she said I wasn't going to give her a spa day. She came in here trying to curse me out. When she told me she was going to look for it and then find the spot she wanted to go to, she. She still cursed me out. So then she finally went on online and looked for it.

[Rory]

Okay, so you picked it because I would say Mal just got you a fucking rub and tug gift certificate for a crush.

[Baby D]

I told her to pick where she.

[Mall]

I got some. I got some nice shit coming up. I'm a vlog. It. Well, I can't really vlog because they don't allow cameras in there, but.

[Rory]

Well, if you want to clear your debt with me, I'm fine with you re gifting that to me instead of the dinner with your friend. Just pay it forward.

[Baby D]

What's her debt?

[Rory]

She owes me dinner with her. With her bestie, the Drake bet.

[Baby D]

Oh. Because you were closer.

[Rory]

So, yeah, if you just want to, you know, re gift.

[Mall]

No, I'm cool.

[Rory]

But I have a birthday coming up, too.

[Mall]

I need the stress relief.

[Baby D]

I'll use the stress.

[Mall]

A man saying to me, I have a birthday coming up just ain't like that.

[Baby D]

But he does have a birthday coming up.

[Rory]

You see, I crossed out every season, but tourism.

[Baby D]

He was born.

[Mall]

I do see that.

[Baby D]

He was born.

[Rory]

Yeah, I was born.

[Baby D]

No gift for Rory.

[Mall]

No.

[Rory]

All right, don't give me a spa certificate. That. That do.

[Mall]

Weird.

[Rory]

I can't do our relationship.

[Baby D]

I can't send you to the spa.

[Rory]

No.

[Baby D]

Why? You're looking a little tense right here.

[Rory]

I definitely am. You could buy it, but give it to Damaris, and then Damaris can give it to me. Like, there needs to be a woman buffer in between a man's spa.

[Baby D]

It needs to be some space in between the intimacy.

[Mall]

I feel like that's fine. It isn't like he say, yo, we done do, like, the couples massage.

[Baby D]

Like, no, fam, Let me tell you something. If you. If. If a dude was to ever be like, yo, I got us a spa day, like my homeboy, I'm like, what you mean you got us a spa day? Nah, we going together. We're not friends no more like, gives us, like, fam I think you. If my homeboy gives me a spa day and he coming with me. What you doing? You not coming with me to no spa.

[Mall]

Y' all, both, like, stressed.

[Baby D]

What? Y' all both stressed, Fam, you know your homeboys. Two men cannot go to the spa together. That's not. Life is not designed that way.

[Rory]

You don't remember when we were in Toronto and someone on our staff hit the group chat and said, do y' all want to go to the sauna?

[Baby D]

What is that?

[Rory]

In a group chat of only men?

[Baby D]

No. Do I have to respond?

[Rory]

Your fellas, on three, there's a steam room if you want to go link.

[Baby D]

No, I don't want to go to the steam room with you. Like, no. The other day I asked Peach. I had ordered something on Uber Eats, and I was getting ready to leave, and then the order came as soon as I was ready to leave. So I'm like, yo, Peej. Like, damn. I was gonna go downstairs and wait for him downstairs, but he got in. He arrived earlier than I expected. So I said, yo, Peej, is it wild if I take the elevator back down with him? Like, he bought the delivery up. I take it out his hand and get in the elevator, and we ride back down. I see your Peej. Is this crazy? He was like, yeah, that's crazy. So I had to wait. I waited for him to leave, and then I took the elevator down after he was gone. It's just certain things men can't do.

[Mall]

That's gotta be.

[Baby D]

I can't ride the elevator with the Uber Eats guy. I can't.

[Rory]

That would be.

[Baby D]

He just. Boy.

[Rory]

Awkward silence.

[Baby D]

Yeah, like, he just. He just picked up my food and brought it to me, and I'm taking the elevator with him.

[Rory]

Crazier is if you made him still hold the bag while you guys went. Now hold it.

[Mall]

Like, if you open the elevator, said, now hold that.

[Baby D]

Give it to me outside. Oh, man. Shout out to all the Uber Eats delivery people, man. Those are. Those are our first responders right there.

[Rory]

Absolutely. We were talking on the phone. I think with my spare time. I just want to do Uber. Like, for social experiments. Like, just to get to know. Like that anymore. Like, I need to get to know people.

[Mall]

You would be the most annoying Uber driver.

[Baby D]

Uber driver. Wait, wait, Uber driver or Uber Eats?

[Rory]

Uber driver.

[Baby D]

Nah, Hell nah. I could do Uber Eats. I could do that. I could go pick up food and drop it off. I could do that. No problem. Picking people up, driving them around, and, like, conversating. No, I can't.

[Rory]

Do that? Well, no, I mean, I wouldn't necessarily, like, talk to everyone, but just like, the things. Like, I would want to do it on a Saturday night at like 1am like, just to see the people that

[Baby D]

come do taxicab confessions. He trying to get his taxicab confession. Yeah.

[Rory]

You don't think that'd just be interesting in the city at 1am until somebody

[Baby D]

throw up in your backseat? Yeah. Yeah. Then you tight. See, it's different when it's a Morris throw up. When it's. When it's Mandy's throw up. Like, it's like.

[Rory]

Then you mad like the Manny we know.

[Baby D]

Yeah, that would be crazy.

[Mall]

Shout out to Mandy. Did you guys see. See her get her dance from Spectacular?

[Baby D]

From who?

[Mall]

Spectacular from Pretty Ricky.

[Baby D]

Oh, she got a dance from him.

[Rory]

I never knew all the members names.

[Baby D]

I've never. Yeah, I never touch a P. And

[Rory]

that's probably as far as it went.

[Baby D]

Yeah, I just call all of them Pretty Ricky like that.

[Mall]

All of them is Ricky.

[Baby D]

All of them is Ricky.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

So Mandy got a dance from him.

[Mall]

I'll send Ryan a link. Yeah. Oh, yeah, they did like a sexy.

[Rory]

Is he spitting in her mouth?

[Mall]

Yeah, well, it's honey. She said it was honey. He's. He put honey in his mouth and spit it in her mouth.

[Baby D]

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Rory]

Wait, wait. Why does no one inform me that my friend participated in this?

[Baby D]

Mandy led. What's this man's name?

[Mall]

Spectacular.

[Baby D]

Manny let Spectacular spit honey in her mouth.

[Mall]

Yeah, he was grinding on her and stuff.

[Rory]

Where is this?

[Mall]

The. The. The Millennium Is tour they're doing now? Bow wow is on tour right now.

[Rory]

And all the members of Pretty Ricky

[Mall]

are part of this, if I'm not mistaken.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Yeah. Not Mandy Tripping Boys for Life tour would be 2k.

[Baby D]

Mandy tripping.

[Rory]

Yep. That being her one less lonely girl moment. That's the one less lonely freak at the Pretty Red.

[Mall]

She said middle school me manifested this

[Baby D]

to have spectacular spit in her mouth.

[Rory]

We all have dreams.

[Baby D]

No, we do. That's a fact. We all dream. Some of us hit that rim. Sleep and really, you know, I mean, get some good sleep.

[Rory]

Did they talk about that before? That's a. That's a bold move to spit honey in a stranger's mouth on stage.

[Mall]

Well, that. I think that's what he does, though.

[Rory]

Like, everyone knows when they go up.

[Mall]

Yeah, it's like the Chris Brown thing. Like, you're gonna be on the chair. You know what's gonna happen.

[Rory]

That sounds like you're victimless.

[Baby D]

So hold on. Spectacular is going city to city spitting in women's mouths.

[Mall]

I think. Yeah, I think he's done anything.

[Rory]

He needs that chlamydia prep for sure.

[Baby D]

This nigga's going spitting in women's mouth. Yo, Women are so dumb at times, bro. Like, why don't y' all just admit it? Like, who. Who is signing up for this? Who's going to the show? Like, nah, I'm a less spectacular spinning my mouth tonight. Usher got the cherries right. Very like, you know, playful, you know. Okay, cool. The girl wants to have fun with her tongue in the cherry that's on her. But Ushers just boop. Cherry in the mouth. Chris, he likes to dance, right?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Go up there, give a little dance.

[Rory]

Cool.

[Baby D]

You know what I mean?

[Rory]

It was a little extra when Kayla Nicole was up there.

[Baby D]

He gets a little close, he might give a little.

[Rory]

Depends who's up there.

[Baby D]

He might give a little peck on the lip, you know what I'm saying? Cool. Spectacular was at home the whole time.

[Rory]

Like, these hold my beer.

[Baby D]

Yeah, these niggas ain't doing it right. I' ma spit in 47 miles. How many shows these niggas keep.

[Mall]

Let me not. I don't know if he's doing it to everybody, but there's so he only

[Baby D]

did it to Manny. Is crazy.

[Rory]

I don't know which one is worse.

[Mall]

That's what I'm saying. I don't know. I don't know which one is worse.

[Rory]

Yo, how many bodies is he spits honey in your mouth?

[Baby D]

Nah, dawg, we gotta find out.

[Rory]

It's 15 bodies easy.

[Baby D]

Yo, if Manny was the first one, yo, that's crazy. You can't let Spec. Spectaculous is his name. You can't let him spit in your mouth, man. You can't let no nigga name Spectacular spit in your mouth. You know how many sound like a male stripper?

[Rory]

Yeah. How mad everyone in that. That green room probably is anytime they about to get some tea. Like, yo, who took the honey? Spectacular, Paul Thomas and Spectacular Pop.

[Baby D]

And he know he had it in his mouth for like two songs, Cuz.

[Mall]

He ain't had. Come on.

[Baby D]

It wasn't. He didn't have a. He didn't have a verse on the last stage.

[Mall]

And they poured it in his. In his mouth.

[Baby D]

He had that mid eye. They poured it in his mouth.

[Mall]

One of the. Probably like a. Somebody that works for their team.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Came over and put the honey in his mouth. And then, you know, and then he

[Baby D]

Put it in Mandy's mouth. Yo, I don't know, man. I just. I don't know.

[Rory]

You know what?

[Mall]

Mandy a different type of freak. That's a different type of freak.

[Baby D]

You think that's.

[Mall]

That's a different type of freak because it. Cause everybody.

[Baby D]

You.

[Mall]

You could. You could be. To call her daddy. Horrible decisions, girl, and talk all that talk, but to. For a. To come to you with his mouth, and you open your tongue and stick your tongue out to get you really about that. Salute. Salute.

[Rory]

Can we see that footage again, please?

[Mall]

I.

[Baby D]

But, baby, who left that honey didn't

[Rory]

have a lot of consistency. That. That looked like straight up spit, in my opinion.

[Mall]

Nah, that was. Nah, you can see how thick it is. It's honey.

[Baby D]

Or he got a cold.

[Mall]

Or he got a cold.

[Baby D]

Shut up.

[Rory]

He's on tour. That's honey. But,

[Baby D]

yo, hold on. It wasn't just spit. Like, he licked her mouth and all of that.

[Rory]

And now you're just sitting on stage

[Baby D]

with honey in your mouth, yo. Nah, I ain't gonna lie. That is different. That's next level. That's wild. That's some. That's some freaky right there. Yeah, the honey in the mouth is crazy.

[Rory]

Yo. Red shorts and red socks is nuts. Look what he's wearing.

[Baby D]

Well, shout out to Mandy, man.

[Rory]

Can we hear a testimony? Yeah, shout out to Manny. We love Mandy.

[Mall]

An instructed Spectacular to spit the honey in my mouth because I am disgusting. If you know anything about me, you know that I am disgusting. It was all consensual. Spectacular was an upstanding gentleman. Made sure I was cool, walked me off the stage, like, thanked me for my participation. He is a performer.

[Rory]

He was so such a gentleman when he was spitting honey into my mouth.

[Mall]

Well, he asked her beforehand.

[Rory]

No, I think this is great. I love. Man, this is. If this was Manny's dream, I'm glad it was fulfilled. Just, it's, you know, it's a lot.

[Baby D]

Shout out Mandy. She listen. She nasty. She letting it be known. She bought that life. Spit in my mouth.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So how's Bow Wow gonna top this one?

[Baby D]

Bow wow is backstage looking at that, like, all right, I got something for these. Ton get.

[Rory]

I'mma piss on a. Yeah, like a dog.

[Mall]

He got on all fours and lift his leg.

[Baby D]

Treat you like a fire hydrant.

[Rory]

Spectacular is dressed like one.

[Mall]

Hey, man, what y' all gonna do at y' all next live show?

[Baby D]

Yeah, I ain't gonna lie.

[Rory]

It's a dub now.

[Baby D]

Spectacular. Now we gotta up it. Spectacular. Spitting in mouths. We gotta up it n. We gotta figure something out. We gotta figure something out.

[Rory]

Also, who's hired to, like, actually pour honey in his mouth? Like, imagine that's your gig. Like, you've been working all your life. You want to be on tour so bad, and now your job is to.

[Baby D]

Yeah. I don't know a baby. I don't know if Baby D got it right. I don't know if somebody poured honey in his mouth.

[Mall]

Yeah, one of the team members put the honey in his mouth.

[Baby D]

Like one of the dances, probably.

[Mall]

It could. Or it could have been, like, their

[Baby D]

version of Ryan the dj. You think the dj. These got the dj, yo. All right, all right, listen. I'm a team player. If I'm the dj, cool. I'm gonna make sure the sounds. You can't hand me the honey. Be like, yo, after this song, when I walk over, just pour the honey in my. If you don't pour your own. Pour honey in my mouth.

[Rory]

What if. What if they had cues?

[Baby D]

No.

[Rory]

What if there was, like, they put tape down exactly where it should be.

[Baby D]

Yo, that is in rehearsals. Crazy, man. That is tall. Life is crazy.

[Rory]

But also, what happens, like. Because, of course, he was a gentleman and it was consensual. What happens, like, when you have the honey in your mouth and she's like, no, thanks.

[Baby D]

Now.

[Rory]

You just got a mouthful of honey.

[Baby D]

You got it. You gotta sing

[Rory]

on the hotline.

[Baby D]

Oh, man.

[Rory]

Is Pleasure P in this as well? Because I know he likes.

[Mall]

I'm sure President is there.

[Rory]

Didn't, like, did they have a bad breakup? Did he join the group?

[Baby D]

Yeah, they wasn't. Yeah, they kind of was, like, on the house. But listen, man, you know how that go, man. When that offer come in for the whole group and that y' all sitting back looking at mortgage and bills. Listen, you get on the phone, be

[Rory]

like, yo, fellas, I always love boyfriend number two. That was always my bro.

[Baby D]

Yeah, it turned into that in the group chat. Like, yo, listen, man, let's give them what they want. Yeah, I bet.

[Rory]

Saying like, let's do it for our families.

[Baby D]

Yeah. Y' all know how to put all that to the side when that mortgage start piling up and that offer come in like they trying to give us. What? Man, we out of here. We on the road. This.

[Rory]

Yeah, I'm trying to sell real estate in Florida right now, man.

[Baby D]

You better get your ass on that stage. That.

[Mall]

Yeah, Pleasure P is there. Amari's on some stops. Yeah.

[Rory]

Have they come to New York yet?

[Mall]

The boys? For life, too.

[Baby D]

Yeah, they was In Jerry. They did. They did Jersey. Damn. They did the Prudential.

[Rory]

Are they coming back? Can we. Can we look?

[Baby D]

Are they coming back?

[Rory]

Not like I'm.

[Mall]

Hey, yo, Rory want his mouth.

[Baby D]

He Maddie, Mr. Boys.

[Mall]

He want his mouth spitting.

[Baby D]

For real. You missed the boys and it's over, man. You got to catch them in another city, man. They gone.

[Rory]

Just have to live vicariously through Mandy.

[Baby D]

Yeah, that's it. You should have went with Mandy.

[Rory]

No, I didn't know all them were on the. On the tour. Yeah, that's a great lineup. That's a really good lineup.

[Baby D]

I mean, they. Listen, all jokes aside, I mean the. All three, because it's. It's B2K, bow wow and Pretty Ricky.

[Mall]

Right?

[Rory]

And Waka. Oh, my God.

[Baby D]

They got. They got hits, man. They got records.

[Rory]

Just missed April 5th. Just missed it.

[Baby D]

God damn it.

[Rory]

I need to, like, add these things to my calendar.

[Mall]

So look, if that was in your calendar, I'm not gonna hold you.

[Baby D]

Yeah, we'd had to have. We'd had to have a conversation, bro.

[Rory]

The boys are back in town.

[Baby D]

Just right.

[Rory]

Right. On April 5th.

[Baby D]

Yeah. You can't have that in your calendar.

[Rory]

Why not?

[Baby D]

You can't do that.

[Rory]

I'm at that age now. If I don't put things on my calendar.

[Baby D]

I know, but just. That doesn't need to go on the calendar, though.

[Rory]

Last night I was a little outside.

[Baby D]

We use that.

[Rory]

What's to the Kehlani listening.

[Baby D]

Oh, okay. How was it?

[Rory]

It was good. It was really good.

[Baby D]

She got an album coming this Friday. Dope.

[Rory]

Yeah, Clips is on there. She played the Cardi record. There's some on there.

[Baby D]

Okay.

[Rory]

I like a lot. I mean, and it was just a great. I went for the music, of course. Of course. It just is a plus that Kehlani brings them up. Just a bunch of pretty, pretty studs. Just. Just all there just for Kehlani.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Not going to talk to anyone else. Just swarm her. But no, it was a good time. Wayne T. Pain, Cardi B, Brandi, Big Sean, Usher, Missy, Lil John, Clips and Leon Thomas out on Friday. But no, it was a good time. And then it turned into a party. And you know, Kehlani has very, very dedicated fans.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So it was. It was a. It was a good time. It's a very good time.

[Baby D]

I saw that Bryson Tiller had dropped something and had told the fans that his song Sorrows was about. Was about Kehlani. I never knew that. You knew that. No.

[Rory]

No idea.

[Baby D]

Now listen to that song. I'm like, oh, okay, interesting.

[Mall]

I love when a say interesting.

[Baby D]

Interesting. No, because that, I mean, that song is one of Bright. That's probably the best song on that. On that anniversary album. But no, I didn't know. I didn't know it was about Kehlani, though. I had no idea. So that was. That was kind of cool.

[Mall]

Girl that used to be my homie Left me with a dream she sold me Even the dreams get lonely Left me here at three in the morning Questioning all the things you told me

[Baby D]

Kaylani did the B tiller, man. Look how she did Ping Griffey. Look how she did him. Did him bad. Bryson got an album, I think, coming too, right? Didn't announce new music. I think he announced some new music or new songs coming out. The dream announced his album is done and he got a release date. Yeah, I'm looking forward to that. Him and Tricky Stewart back together. Yeah, anytime. Dream and Tricky work like, I'm there. Yeah, sign me up, I'm there for it.

[Rory]

I was, I was talking with Bryson because I was, you know, I obviously would love to have Bryson on my album. And he sent me his calendar of all the features that he owes and he put. He slotted me in for 2027. No, I appreciate it. Like, he really had each month of the features he's doing. And then he's like, well, I mean, I could rush it and get it done, but I don't want to like charge you for it, like, if you want to pay my fee. And I was like, well, what's your fee? I'm not gonna say what his fee was.

[Mall]

He was like, 20, 20 something's great.

[Rory]

20, 30 something, bro. When he told me his feature fee.

[Baby D]

Yeah, different. Yeah, I know, I know. It get different. It get there.

[Mall]

I think it said, nah, give me the I'll do the homie date. That's.

[Baby D]

That's fine. Royal got real busy. He's like, you know what? Now I'm looking at my calendar for 26. I'm like, I'm Slam Bryson. So we could just circle back in 27, bro. Yeah, I know. When that fee gets sent through, right? Yeah, I know. Then all of a sudden, get patient when that fee hit the line. Like, no, we could wait. We push some things back. Yeah, we could wait.

[Rory]

So let's just wait. I don't want to feel like I got a half ass something for a fee. It's blank. Casually telling someone. I just want to tell you Bryson Taylor has a lot of money.

[Baby D]

There's a lot of money. Yeah.

[Rory]

Holy.

[Baby D]

Oh, My God.

[Rory]

No. That was, like, one of the more humbling text messages I've ever got.

[Baby D]

Yeah, listen, man. No, Bryson, we. Listen, man, we're in no rush here. We have.

[Rory]

Let's let the song come to us.

[Baby D]

Yeah, let's. Let's wait for the inspiration.

[Rory]

Let's open the door and let God in.

[Baby D]

Let God. Yeah. Yeah, that fee came through. Listen, we. You know what? 26. Let's take some time off. Let's spend time with our fans.

[Rory]

That's my entire recording budget. I'm not even joking. That's my entire recording budget. I guess the album's just one, Bryson.

[Baby D]

That's all you need is that ep. Oh, my God, that is so funny, man.

[Rory]

But shout out to Bryce and I. I do appreciate people, especially at the level that Bryson is to, like, actually give transparency and not, like, industry run

[Baby D]

around, shout out to B.

[Rory]

But, yes, I look forward to eventually working with Bryson for the. For the Homie Raid.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

When we be having interviews here, like, you be, like, sneaking them to the back, like, yo, I'm working on this, like, music thing and, like, playing them stuff. It's okay if you do. Like, we not going to judge you.

[Rory]

I mean, I don't maybe after, but, like, I mean, I had already talked to Chance about it before he even came here. Bryce and I. I talked to recently, and he. When was he on, like, last year? No, not in person. Like, when we're doing the pod, I feel like that would be kind of weird.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

But, you know, I. I have no shame in that of wanting to work with people and asking them, like, this is what I'm working on. If you think it's good, cool. If not, great.

[Mall]

But I love that for you, I would be terrified.

[Rory]

Why?

[Mall]

I don't know. I'm shy. I would be shy to ask people stuff like that.

[Baby D]

All they can say about that. Shy.

[Mall]

When it comes to work stuff, I am very shy.

[Baby D]

You ain't shy.

[Mall]

Okay, Mo, you not shy when it comes to work stuff. Yes, I am.

[Baby D]

No, shy is the wrong word. You're not shy.

[Rory]

You were twerking at an Ice Spice show.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's not worth.

[Baby D]

Shy is the wrong word is what I'm saying.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Baby D]

You may be something else.

[Mall]

Scary.

[Baby D]

No, not scary.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Baby D]

But you're not shy. It's not. It's not shy is what I'm saying, because you're not, like. I know you're not a shy person.

[Mall]

Personality. Are you talking about? You know, me as a friend, like a personality. When it comes to asking People for work wise or do anything like work related.

[Baby D]

I don't ask people for. I'm not shy.

[Mall]

That's because you don't want to ask them for. That's the difference. I can want to ask somebody for something and be like, no, like I'm scared. Like, like I can't. Like it's like a very, very uncomfortable, like small feeling you don't have that you just don't want to ask nobody for shit.

[Baby D]

Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. So it's the same. You don't ask for, I don't ask for. But it's not shy. It's not. I don't think it's a shy thing with you.

[Rory]

You don't want to be a bother.

[Baby D]

It's not even that. I just don't, I just don't ask people for. I don't know what it is. I can't, you know me, I can't really answer. I don't know what it is. I just never ask people for anything. Like, I just don't.

[Rory]

I mean, I, Well, I don't mind asking people because I'm very confident in the stuff that I'm going to send them. No, I really mean that. Where I think guests that we've had or like associates, I wouldn't say like friends, but artists that we've had on, I think just out of us doing the pod or having some type of back and forth relationship, they'll, they'll listen to it just to be nice. So because I know they'll do that. I'm confident that they're gonna like it as well. I know they'll give it a pity. Like a pity listen. All right, all right. Let's see your little mixtape.

[Baby D]

You.

[Rory]

But I, I know it's great. So usually I get the reactions like, oh, I didn't know he was making like this. So yeah, it usually is a pleasant surprise for people and they tend to want to be a part of it.

[Mall]

Okay, that's dope though.

[Rory]

Yeah. Like, I mean when I was, I want to say harassing, but when I was trying to track Lucky down with everything, I was very confident in the record. It's like, just listen to it and I promise you want to get on it. And that's what happened. If I was sending wax, I would be like, kind of like, nah, I'm not.

[Mall]

Well, nobody thinks their is whack though.

[Rory]

Nah, some people should.

[Mall]

They should, but they don't.

[Baby D]

Yeah, some people should think they is whack.

[Rory]

No, you know, you need that like you need that self awareness. I feel like that whole confidence Kanye confidence happens when you make stuff like Kanye West. You shouldn't have Kanye confidence and sound click beats like that should you should have self awareness because I know when my is bad it takes 15 beats to get to one good one. But I'm not sending those other 15. You should have self awareness of like nah, this ain't it.

[Baby D]

Self awareness very important these days.

[Mall]

Is it aware?

[Rory]

Is it self love is important. Self awareness is more important.

[Baby D]

Nah, self awareness is definitely more important.

[Mall]

No, I think self love is more important.

[Baby D]

Hell no. You gotta self awareness. You need to be aware.

[Mall]

It was but plenty of people be aware of who they are and don't change so like that that they don't mean you aware of some what that mean? If it's mad people that's me and Rory talk about it all the time that we're terrible people who are aware that we're terrible people like that don't mean if you. Unless you're trying to change it.

[Rory]

Yeah but it's worse if you're walking around with this blindness of self love and you're an like that's worse.

[Mall]

It's worse for other people. It's not worse for you. That's the thing. It's not worse for you. There's plenty of people who think everybody loves them. They love themselves. They think everybody loves them and they skate through life like. But there's plenty of people who are so stuck in being self aware and. And double thinking and double checking and double thinking too much about everything they do. And they never accomplish anything because they're too busy being self aware instead of just doing so I think that there is a happy middle. But.

[Baby D]

But what does that got to do with being.

[Mall]

Some people are too self aware and they're stuck in their head too much. You won't accomplish anything if you're too stuck in your head being aware of every single thing you do. You ever seen people who are dumb and they float around life and they're so happy because they're so dumb.

[Rory]

Ignorance is bliss. I hear you but I'm saying specifically in creating art you should have self awareness of when your is not good. Like the best artists that I know personally hate 99 of their. That's why they're so great. Because they only put out the 1%. Those self loving artists are. There's a reason why they're trash.

[Mall]

Huh. Now. Now that we circle back we're revisiting the J. Cole conversation where he Was self aware enough to know that he's not better than Jay Z. His self. Love didn't beat out his self. Aw. But y' all were trying to convince me that as a rapper, as a creative artist, like you just said, you should just have that confidence and think that you're better than everyone that we

[Rory]

were talking in regards to the sport of hip hop, when you walk onto a football field, you should feel like the best because you're in a competition. I'm not talking about alone in the studio by yourself trying to create art. Talking about in the. The sport of hip hop. I think every battle rapper should walk on stage thinking every battle rapper.

[Mall]

Battle rap is a sport.

[Baby D]

Sport.

[Rory]

Rap is a sport.

[Mall]

So rap is the only music genre where everybody has to look at each other and be competitive.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

I hate to tell you, it's part of the essence of the art form is competition. I mean, it's the only art form. I mean, I'm sure there are, like, jazz musicians that are quietly competing with the horn next to them, but it's not embedded in the DNA of the genre where hip hop is born from battling in a park.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

I don't. I don't think Slick Rick was like, yo, Dougie Fresh, you're better. Oh, no, he was. He was in the Bronx trying to tear everybody's head off.

[Baby D]

Oh, man.

[Rory]

But I mean that. We were saying that in that regard. No, I think there's plenty of rappers that know they're not the best, which is fine. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Cole, though, I think should have the confidence. There's a lot of rappers that should say, hey, Jay Z is much better than me. And that's fine. Cole, to me, is a peer of Jay Z's now. I think they are both legends. Yeah, you got to have that confidence because I. You should think you're just as good because you're right there with them. Now if. Just, If. I don't know, Lil perpetuated, whatever. No, you shouldn't think that. But Cole is up there.

[Baby D]

No, the problem is J. Cole said he doesn't think he's better than Jay Z. You don't have to say that. You could feel that. I'm sure a lot of rappers feel like they're not. They ain't gonna say it. You don't say that like that's in rap. You don't do that. You don't say, no, I don't think I'm better than him.

[Mall]

There's so many things you don't do in rap that people have been.

[Baby D]

No, some. There's some things you don't do in life, but in rap, when you're at that level, you don't. You don't say it. You don't say, no, I don't think I'm better than Jay Z. But you also don't say, I think I'm better than Jay Z. Is both sides of that. You don't say, I think I'm better than Jay Z. No, you just don't. You don't say who you think you're better than, but you also don't say who you don't think you're better than. Like, it's just an unwritten law of rap. Like, you just don't say that. You don't have to say, I'm better than, like, Cole. I'm not expecting Cole to go up to him. I'm better than all of you. But he's done it in his bars before. That's all I'm saying. He's done it in his raps. He said it in his raps. Which is why people was like, yeah, hell, yeah, with this dude. Like, you know what I mean? Because now we believe you believe in your confidence. We feel it. We like, yeah, nah, yo, I can see that. But then when you get up there and be like, nah, you know, it's like, what. What you doing, bro? But Cole is still a very, very dope mc.

[Rory]

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[Rory]

Before we get to voicemails, I do want to get on my my whole venture now that we're here. Check it off on your bingo card every episode. I understand. I feel like this week has been I don't know if it's it's for clicks, but the the Jay Z hate train amongst podcasters is getting like it's getting odd at this point. Bomani said he's not inspired by Jay Z's billion dollars.

[Baby D]

Who said Moni Jones.

[Rory]

I'm not inspired by that.

[Mall]

I don't think that's cr. What do you think is crazy about that?

[Rory]

If you're not inspired by legitimately the American Dream, a project kid made it with no education in the worst circumstances in Brooklyn in the 80s to become a billionaire self billionaire marry into royalty five like five lifetimes. The Carters will never run out of money. How is that not inspiring? If you know the story of J. What, what billion dollars is inspiring to you? Then Uber something.

[Mall]

Well what? Why? Okay, so why did he say he wasn't inspired by it? What is is his lack of inspiration Coming from.

[Rory]

He didn't explain his point at all. I'm not sure. He just, he said he's not inspired by.

[Mall]

Because something can be inspiring, but it doesn't inspire you. Like, that's not what gets your creative juices going.

[Rory]

He said specifically, I'm not inspired by that billion dollars. Now if I'm not saying you need to be inspired by money, but if you're saying specific. All right, what billion dollars does inspire you then? Because if you're using that choice of words, then there must be a billion dollars that you, that does inspire you. I, I, I think we're just trying to pick things. And then. What was the one I sent you? More press. Press boxing. They're on the, the ringer. They said Jay Z isn't profound. He's never said anything profound at all. He's just a rapper. Why do we, why are we even putting him on a pedestal? He's never said anything profound. You know who said LL Cool J has said stuff profound. Mobb Deep has said stuff profound. But Jay Z has never said anything profound about the world that we're currently living. People are just making things up at this point to just say, people gotta

[Baby D]

have shit to say, man. Whether it be crazy. No matter how crazy we say shit, people think is crazy.

[Rory]

Fair.

[Baby D]

Right? So I mean, you know, I just think that not being inspired by a kid who grew up in the projects in Brooklyn and is now a self made billionaire, I don't, I just, if you, that story doesn't inspire you on some scale. I'm not saying you have to dedicate your life to trying to do exactly what Jay Z did, but that's a very inspirational story.

[Rory]

Like if he doesn't make a billion dollars, it's inspirational.

[Baby D]

Like, yeah, like, I just don't, you know, I mean, like if I'm inspired by Michael Jackson, I'm inspired by Stevie Wonder. Like, how can I not be inspired by Jay Z story? Like, I don't know, it's just, you

[Rory]

know, and, and not to be J. Cole of saying someone's better if you threw me in the same exact circumstances as Jay Z, I do not think I'd be able to do what he did. Like Most people wouldn't. 0.0001% of people have ever done what he did in the circumstances that he was in.

[Baby D]

So when you say that's not inspiring, it's like how that's, but that's what I'm saying, that he does not happen.

[Mall]

Did he say it's not inspiring or that it doesn't inspire him. There's plenty of that people have done that is inspiring. But me personally, it wouldn't inspire. That's what I'm saying. I, I guess I would have to listen to the clip because I can kind of understand that. If that doesn't inspire you, it doesn't.

[Baby D]

I think he said, oh, can you put. You can pull the exact quote, Ryan. I think he said. He, he, he rather focus on his rapping ability. Don't care that Jay Z got a billion dollars. I am personally not inspired by the fact that he got a billion dollars. And whenever I hear him say something that's about something larger than really rap, I'm like, hey, why don't we get back to. Why don't we get back to rap? Which people took as me shut up and dribble. Are you telling Jay Z to shut up and dribble? And the answer is kind of. Look, man, there's some people I don't

[Rory]

want to hear talk.

[Baby D]

I'm not saying that you don't have the right to talk. Right. I'm saying he's out of his depth on certain topics. I think that's the part that I found. Wow. I don't care what Jay Z think about this stuff because of what he's demonstrated to me. He thinks about. I'm not interested in his thoughts on these larger matters. I think we've made a mistake by making him something more than a rapper or which cool.

[Rory]

The latter half of that. You can feel that way. And I'm not here to argue. I just think choosing the words of not being inspired by that his billion dollars is just a odd connection to what he's trying to say.

[Mall]

I kind of get what he's saying. I think it's leaning into the more of when Jay Z started getting the critique of. He was. He had become unrelatable. Yeah, I think that's kind of like what it's leaned into because you've become one of them. Like, you're a billionaire. Like, so you're being inspired by somebody being a billionaire. It's so out of reach that it's like this somebody being a millionaire might be inspiring to me because it feels more touchable, it feels more tangible. But a billionaire, that's. You become like a Cinderella story. Like, that's not inspiring to a lot of people. I understand what he's saying. I still think he's a hater, but I understand what he's saying.

[Rory]

But I don't care about like the billion dollars specifically. That's not what I'm getting at. What that billion dollars represents. We watched Jay Z, his whole. Like we watched this happen. We watched somebody come from nothing and get to where he is now. To me, that's the inspiration, not the figure. Liquid billion dollars. Like that's whatever that billion represents. How the could somebody come from this circumstance that We've watched for 20 years get to that place? Yeah, but that's inspiring.

[Mall]

You and him are talking about two completely different things. And that's why I wanted to hear the clip.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Because I don't think his point is, oh, Jay Z came from nothing. I think he's talking about current Jay Z's current rap, what he's rapping, what he connects to now. I don't think he's thinking about his whole total overall beginning.

[Rory]

I mean, I guess I, because I had some of those critique with, with Magna Carta, I was like, there's not a lot of relatable on here. And I think Jay Z heard his fans say that and then that's how we get to a 444etc. But I still like when I hear the God did verse and him telling his entire story of the last 20 years. That's inspiring to me. Like everything he's talking about, what he did with Juan. I don't understand how you could not be inspired by like somebody who's done all those things. That's just weird to me. That's hater. It's hater. And, and what's funny is the guy that he's talking to is the very guy that said Jay Z's never said anything profound. So Bomani saying, why doesn't he say more profound things? And he's saying he's never said anything prevale. So which is it? Uchi Wally or One Mic?

[Baby D]

No, no, that statement is crazy because

[Rory]

now he's saying shut up and dribble. But his co host is saying, well, he needs to say more. He's never said anything profound.

[Baby D]

That's crazy.

[Mall]

What do you. What are some profound lines of Jay's that you can think of?

[Rory]

It's not even li. It's. It's albums like the entire Reasonable Doubt. Can I Live is some of the most profound perspective ever in rap history. What is not the first few lines of Can I Live? Becoming an addict of the lifestyle is accustomed to the people that you're serving with. This, like that's profound. That's Shakespeare.

[Baby D]

I just don't think people just, you know. Well, I guess people don't care. I guess too. That's part of it. Like, people. People sometimes just don't care enough to really, you know, pay attention to an artist. And if they're saying profound shit or not, I think that's just a part of it. Like, I try not to even really, like, give a lot of that shit any energy, because all of us, we could all listen to the same thing and hear something totally different. You know what I'm saying? Like, what is profound to you may not be profound to somebody else.

[Rory]

I mean, is the story of OJ

[Baby D]

not profound to me? Yeah.

[Rory]

You know, is the second verse on Smile even specifically about your brother not profound? Of the state of the justice system Right now, 1000% is moonlight to me?

[Baby D]

To me? Yes. I'm saying to other people, they might hear it and be like, I don't care about that. It ain't profound to me.

[Mall]

Profound describes something with deep insight, intense emotion, or extreme intensity. Yes, profound all the time. But a lot of people don't know the words that they're using. They don't know what the they mean.

[Baby D]

Well, that's.

[Mall]

Jay Z has been critiqued for being too profound. Like, that's been his critique, people find. Yeah, so.

[Rory]

And granted, that gentleman, of course, is entitled to his opinion, whether it's misguided or not. Whatever. It pissed me off more when he used the examples of. Of rappers that do say profound things.

[Baby D]

That's weird. See?

[Rory]

Like, listen, he just said that. I'm like, all right. Well, all right. He probably just didn't listen.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, do you fools listen to music or just skim through?

[Baby D]

Right.

[Rory]

Is Renegade not profound? He said, LL Cool J, Mob Deep. I love Mobb Deep, and I love LL Cool J, but to say that they say profound things is the wildest comparison I've ever heard.

[Baby D]

That's crazy.

[Rory]

I think Mob Deep is profound. I think survival of the fittest is profound.

[Baby D]

What? Absolutely shook one. Just profound.

[Rory]

But I just don't think Mama said knock you out is light gears above the intellect level of J.C. yeah, he's wrong.

[Mall]

Don't, don't. Don't pull out. Mama said knock you out. That's not fair to Okuja.

[Rory]

Who's more profound?

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[Rory]

Cool.

[Baby D]

Jay Z.

[Mall]

Don't. But that's not fair to ll. That's.

[Rory]

I love ll.

[Mall]

That's like, if somebody was using Jay Z and they was like, I don't think Empire State of Mind is that profound. Like, don't.

[Rory]

No, of course. And yeah, LL Cool J has definitely said profound things, for sure. But it's just. It's a very odd example. That's. That's all. Like, I could see if he was on more of the snobbier level, where it's like, he's not like Lupe or Black Thought or these guys. He just pulled out LL Cool J out of nowhere.

[Baby D]

Those comparisons was crazy. Definitely was crazy. That was. That was like.

[Rory]

He didn't even say Nas.

[Baby D]

Yeah, like, all the names. You feel like you could have said Pac. You said Mobb Deep LL. And listen, we love Mobb Deep LL, but that was just. No, he missed the mark on that one. It's okay. Sometimes you say things. We've all done it. Anybody sitting in front of mics and cameras, we say things sometimes.

[Mall]

Don't want to hate on the cool people. That is what it is. Anybody love that People want to hate on for fun, for clicks or attention?

[Rory]

Man, sometimes your Che Guevara would bling on. It's complex.

[Baby D]

Exactly. Do we have voicemails?

[Rory]

Never claim to have wings on.

[Baby D]

You've got mail. What's up, Rory? Mall Damaris, this is Quan from Dyckman. I just want to get y' all opinion whether y' all think it's a. This is a good place to take a girl out for a first date. So me personally, I'm very big on watching, like, true crime docs and, like, serial killer documentary type shit. And I just recently saw in New York that they opened up this, like, interactive museum called Mind of a Serial Killer. Oh, yeah. And they basically take you through a tour of, like, the greatest serial killers in the history.

[Rory]

And it's a weird way to work

[Baby D]

out what they was going through in their mind and shit like that. And I want to take this girl there, but I'm also thinking, like, what you think that's kind of sus. What you think is kind of weird. Oh, man. So I just wanted to get y' all opinion on it. Appreciate y'.

[Mall]

All.

[Rory]

I feel like thinking that it's weird makes it weird. I actually saw a really cool date.

[Baby D]

Yeah, I saw that now. I thought about going. I think it's weird for him if he's saying that's their first date. First date. You shouldn't take a girl on a serial killer museum experience. That's just not. I mean, not first date. You got to know the person and know their psyche and how they think and how they feel. Cause what if this is her first date and her sister was killed by a serial killer? It's like, now the whole date. The whole date is like, the whole date is up now.

[Rory]

Remember in Hitch when he took her to Ellis Island?

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like her grandfather. I thought butcher was just an occupation.

[Baby D]

I didn't. This is what I'm saying. You gotta know, get to know her more. This is not a first date experience.

[Rory]

No, I hear you. But sometimes, whether if you guys been on social media or in person, sometimes you text for a few days because you're busy before you get around to the date. And maybe they were both watching something on Netflix. So, like, there could be clues that she's into.

[Baby D]

Yeah. Now, if it is, then I know

[Rory]

just out the gate. It's kind of.

[Baby D]

Yeah. If. If you could kind of know that this is her bag, her vibe. Like she watches, you know, the monster series on Netflix and things like that. This is her. Her shit, then this is gonna be a great first date. But you have to have that information before taking somebody to a serial killer museum, you know, on a date. I just don't know if that's date vibes. Like, this is your girlfriend, and y' all both be in the crib watching monsters together. This is dope. You know what I'm saying? But if you just. First date, you just trying to get to know her a little better, spend some time with her. I don't know if this is where you go.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Unless you think David Berkowitz gets the

[Baby D]

pussy line, you don't go there.

[Mall]

Unless she's into that type of stuff. Because there are a lot of girls who are into this type of stuff. Like, I got a homegirl where if somebody took her.

[Baby D]

Well, most of the country's into this type of shit.

[Mall]

Yeah. If you took her here on a first date, like, she would give you the pussy immediately. Like, she. This is all she watches. She's.

[Rory]

The highest form of podcasting is. Is the crime and which. I think this. Look up the stats. All those crime podcasts. I think it's like, 95 women that listen to them.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And it's the biggest genre in podcasting, so. Yeah. Women love. That's why Ted Bunny did numbers.

[Baby D]

Not just off the court. Yeah. Away from the sport.

[Rory]

He was a legend in 2K.

[Baby D]

Come on, man. Come on.

[Mall]

Two games. And he was ugly. Ugly be getting. Yo.

[Baby D]

I'm telling you, that's because women were scared of him.

[Mall]

Ain't nobody ever scared me out my draws.

[Baby D]

I'm sorry the UDA scared you out your draw.

[Mall]

He did not scare me out.

[Rory]

But they went on dates before. Like, they had to found him somewhat attractive in the beginning. They Went on a date with him.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

They were like, oh, he. And even to this day, they'd be like, oh, he was such a looker. They do that with him. And who. The.

[Baby D]

The.

[Mall]

The. The President's wife looked like a hammerhead shark. Work. Jackie Kennedy.

[Rory]

Don't do that to my family's hero.

[Baby D]

I'm sorry, you didn't think Jackie Kennedy was pretty?

[Mall]

Well, no.

[Rory]

She has some unflattering photos.

[Mall]

Who was the one that was, like, known for sucking dick? Her.

[Rory]

That was Nancy Reagan.

[Mall]

Nancy Reagan, I think. I can't remember which one of them it was.

[Rory]

Jackie Kennedy was. They have some unflattering photos of Jackie out there.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Baby D]

Nancy Reagan was. Was a hot piece of ass back in her day, though, though. Like the younger Nancy Reagan.

[Mall]

No, Nancy Reagan was fine. If not. I mean, not fine, but Nancy Reagan was Nancy Reagan. I'm talking about Jackie.

[Baby D]

What did they call it? The. What they call the throat. What?

[Mall]

Throat goat.

[Baby D]

They called. No, seriously, not the throat goat. They didn't call Nancy Reagan. They didn't call it a dasaurus. They didn't call her that, man.

[Rory]

Who was it, Laura Bush? She was kind of a looker as a. As a youngster. Was it. Lord. There was one. One Republican has a wife that was pretty when she was young.

[Mall]

One Republican in the world had a wife that was pretty when she was younger.

[Rory]

And like a real marriage, not like the one with our current president that he ordered.

[Mall]

Nah, but Ted Bundy was a little ugly something.

[Rory]

But I mean, I bet in that time in Utah, like that's. That's top echelon. If you get Zac Efron to play you, I mean, you're kind of a stunt done.

[Baby D]

Yeah, but we seen Bundy's pull up.

[Mall]

Tad Bundy, bro. He look like somebody chew him up, spit him out. God damn. Like you. Ain't no way. They was like, oh, he was.

[Rory]

Look at that third one.

[Baby D]

Bundy getting the un.

[Rory]

Bundy.

[Baby D]

Bundy got the undies.

[Rory]

That looks like a cool beat neck hippie guy. Like. Yeah, he probably, like, would supply the LSD and. Yeah, that's a. That's a looker. In the 70s.

[Mall]

That was. I think that was him in jail. No, that. No, that man was. No, no, I was letting that man just in your house. Just letting him in. It's crazy as now you're slow shaming

[Baby D]

and I don't like that Ted Bundy. Yeah, but no, don't take on a first date to a serial killer museum unless you know that that's her vibe. Her body. Because you might, you know, ruin the date, man.

[Mall]

Yeah, and ask her, like you should. The first date should always be her. Her pick. Like, her choosing.

[Baby D]

We can't let y' all pick first dates no more.

[Mall]

Why, Mom?

[Baby D]

Y' all want to go to Cipriani's and places y' all ain't never been? All of a sudden. Get out of here. Nobody's going there. I want to go Cipriani. Why? What you about to order? You want to take pictures and vibe? That's.

[Mall]

Wait, so she can't wanna try a new restaurant?

[Baby D]

Not with me for the first time. No.

[Mall]

Wait, so I got. So every date we go on, I gotta go to a restaurant I already been to?

[Baby D]

Not that you already been to, but you gonna. You don't. Don't pick. Don't. Don't pick the. The restaurants. That's on your Pinterest. Nah, we ain't going there. I'm not here to knock off your to do list.

[Rory]

No, but she's a. She's a foodie.

[Baby D]

Yeah. Out of here. If it's a foodie, you should have been there already. Now you wanted to go in. Nah, we ain't doing that. No, we go somewhere nice.

[Rory]

Women who want a free meal love calling themselves foodies. I'm just a foodie.

[Mall]

Yo, what type of broke ass y' all be with? I don't know. Not one girl in the world who. Well, not one girl around me who really be dating just for a free meal.

[Rory]

That's poor.

[Baby D]

Oh, I don't. I mean, I don't date women like that.

[Mall]

I'm just saying they're out there talking

[Baby D]

about they're out there. You think they're not out there? Like, you go to the beach, you might not see a shark, but they out there.

[Rory]

Yeah, you need the drone to see it.

[Baby D]

Yeah, yeah, they're out there. I promise you, baby.

[Mall]

I mean, well, there's poor people everywhere. There's.

[Baby D]

There's.

[Mall]

There's scammers everywhere. Like, they exist. But most women I know be out to eat regularly with their friends. Like, they. Nobody going out with you if they don't like you just for a free meal.

[Baby D]

Those girls.

[Rory]

You're being naive.

[Mall]

Yeah, I don't think that I'm being naive. I'm just saying y' all make that seem like that's a lot of. When, like, the majority of women. I think that's a very rare.

[Baby D]

I said majority was saying that there's some women out there. Like that.

[Mall]

Yeah, but why mention them?

[Baby D]

You said by what why bring them

[Mall]

up, like, in regular conversation when they're not the regular?

[Baby D]

It's fun to bring up those people. People. Why not? They need some. Some. Some love, too. Right? We all God's children. We all haven't sent. All of us, so.

[Rory]

But I feel like even the Son of Sam was.

[Baby D]

Yeah, he was.

[Rory]

Which is also a hilarious thing to learn about on a first date because he killed people on dates.

[Baby D]

Yeah, but I'm definitely going to that, though. Yeah, I saw that last week. I'll definitely go check that out.

[Rory]

Yeah, man. And. And not justice for David Berkowitz, because he definitely did some of that. But. But that Son of Sam doc on Netflix, I had no idea that it was, like, a team. My whole life, I thought it was just David Berkowitz by himself. That was a squad with ties to the Manson family. Like, bro, that was a rico.

[Baby D]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Rory]

How the. Did they only arrest him? Is absolutely nuts.

[Baby D]

Hi, Baby D. Don't do that to me. Don't look me in my face and do that.

[Mall]

That.

[Baby D]

You don't do that. But all right. It's okay. Well, Roy, you got your good glasses on.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

I hope.

[Rory]

I hope I get positive. Knowing our listeners, I'll get a lot of positive reviews. A lot of people saying nice things about me.

[Baby D]

Come on.

[Rory]

A lot of kind mentions of, like, hey, man, they look great.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Call you a French cigarette? For sure.

[Baby D]

They called me that all last week. They've been calling me.

[Mall]

No, I came across like the type, like, okay, so you know how you like getting your butt ate? I came across some porn on Twitter when this girl was eating butt. Butt, but she was, like, spitting in it. So when you get your butt ate, do you want, like, the. Like, you want her to, like, make it nasty? Like, when she do it, you want

[Rory]

to be sitting in a puddle.

[Baby D]

Mm, yeah.

[Rory]

You want it? Like, I got, like, spectacular, man.

[Mall]

You want her to, like, spit in your butt? Like, Mona, voice.

[Baby D]

Like, I got mad towels, Baby D. Mad towels. And I got my own washer and dryer. We can clean all this mess up at the end. Yeah. Because if we ain't here to get nasty, what we here to do, baby D. It's Mr. Nasty Time. Yeah, let's go. And they. They go and get it. They go find it. Whatever they looking for. They. Yeah, they go find it. I don't know, Rory, I promise you, I don't ask for it. See, this is. Y' all laughing. I don't ask.

[Rory]

It's such a known thing that they.

[Baby D]

But I Don't ask for it. Yeah, this is what y' all not recognizing. Y' all laughing at me, But I don't ask for it. It's not something that I asked for.

[Rory]

You lift the leg a little bit to let him know it's okay.

[Baby D]

No, I don't do that.

[Mall]

That one right there. That one right there.

[Baby D]

Yeah, but that's how. Peej. I never said I shaved today. See, don't do that. See, cip's gotta make it weird. Don't make it weird, bro. I don't. I don't say.

[Rory]

Yo, a girl trying to pull almost pants down to him going, I'm not wax.

[Baby D]

Imagine that. Give a fuck. Yeah, Baby D. They stay out there.

[Mall]

See?

[Rory]

No.

[Mall]

That want free meals. Dumb the hoes. I'm judging.

[Baby D]

I love her.

[Mall]

You. You spreading a grown man's ass open and spitting it. You filthy.

[Rory]

This is slut shaming.

[Baby D]

And I'm uncomfortable. Yeah, don't yuck my yum. Don't do that. Don't yuck my yum. I don't yuck yours.

[Rory]

Or her yum.

[Baby D]

Yeah. Or her yum. Like, don't do that to her.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's very judgmental. That's actually not really like you.

[Baby D]

That's not becoming of you, Baby D. I didn't think. I didn't take you for that type

[Mall]

of how you roll over in the morning like, yeah, man, I was with the podcaster last night spitting his ass.

[Baby D]

First of all, nobody. I was with a pod.

[Mall]

I will block my friend. Word of my kid. You told me you spitting the podcaster's ass last night. I'm blocking.

[Baby D]

And it be the fine ones, too. That's the crazy part. The fine ones is nasty. You know that, Baby D. You know, the pretty girls is nasty. There's nothing. Am I right? Give me something, man. Don't leave me out here taking grenades in the trenches.

[Rory]

Listen, I'm holding back some of my personal thoughts right now. I don't want to tell y' all the greatest feeling I ever had. You ever had a girl on top of you riding while the other one is licking your ass.

[Baby D]

Man, that's about to throw up, man.

[Rory]

It's a memory that'll never leave my mind. Some things you never forget while it was happening in my brain.

[Mall]

He said you chased that dragon for

[Rory]

the rest of your life.

[Baby D]

He been trying to relive that moment.

[Rory]

Oh, man, I'm not even exaggerating. For the podcast. While it was happening with both of those amazing angels. Yeah. I thought in my head, Rory Cherish this moment. Live in the moment.

[Baby D]

Yes.

[Rory]

This is probably not going to happen again.

[Baby D]

Yes.

[Rory]

Yeah. I was telling myself to live in the moment.

[Baby D]

Yeah, baby. D. They get nasty.

[Rory]

I'm going to stop.

[Baby D]

They do.

[Rory]

You'll never shine in the shade.

[Baby D]

Yeah. See, baby, that's the. See, that's the problem. That's the problem. You won't know it's raining until you come outside. Baby, I'm cool in house.

[Mall]

I'm cool in the house. I don't need to know what's outside. I got agoraphobia.

[Baby D]

Oh.

[Rory]

Breeze only comes in when the window's cracked.

[Baby D]

That's a fact. You got to crack the window. You have to crack.

[Rory]

No, man, you got to crack that crack.

[Baby D]

And if God didn't want it to be eaten, why, he cut it in half.

[Rory]

And they say mall says nothing profound.

[Baby D]

All right, man. We out of here, man. We talked, y'. All. Soon be safe. Be blessed. I'm that. He's just ginger, baby. D, don't yuck my yum.

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[Mall]

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