Episode 496 | Benny the Butcher & Fuego Base

Summary

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New Rory & MAL – Episode 496 | Benny the Butcher & Fuego Bass

Release Date: May 21, 2026
Guests: Benny the Butcher & Fuego Bass
Main Theme: The enduring influence of BSF and Griselda, shining light on overlooked cities, business growth in hip-hop, authenticity in street rap, and the current state and legacy of underground rap.

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Episode Overview

This episode brings together Rory (host) with Benny the Butcher and Fuego Bass (Fuego Base) for a raw and comedic deep-dive into hip-hop’s “real family” energy. The conversation covers:

• The journey and evolution of Benny & BSF (Black Soprano Family)
• Fuego Bass as the “flag bearer” for Connecticut in rap
• The significance of regional stories in hip-hop
• Lessons from the business side of rap
• The Griselda family dynamic and future reunions
• The authenticity and responsibility that comes with telling real stories
• The impact of “underground” movements in today’s music industry

The tone is part barbershop banter, part reunion, part motivational talk—with a healthy side of unfiltered tales.

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Key Discussion Points

Benny’s Growth as an Artist & Executive

• A Decade In: Benny reflects on being 10 years into the game and shifting further into business and leadership.
  • "I'm going in on 10 years of this shit, man. And it feels great." (04:07)
• Earning His Place: He speaks on “trial and error” and now being able to do things he never could just a few years back.
  • "I earned my position in a lot of these rooms, where I'm able to do certain things now that I probably wasn't able to do a few years ago." (04:36)

Fuego Bass & The Connecticut Hunger (06:43–12:00)

• Holding Up CT: Fuego discusses coming up in Hartford and the challenge of putting Connecticut on the hip-hop map.
  • "That shit just fell in my lap, bruh. I'm just doing my part. It's like, niggas be amazed, but it's like a bunch of niggas out there that's talented." (07:05)
• CT Is Hunger: They address the lack of recognition, limited radio play, and that “chip on the shoulder” motivation.
  • "We can't even get the radio out there... Hip hop is the soundtrack of our lives." (08:00–08:19)
• Putting Others On: Fuego shouts out local talent and how his rise could open doors for his peers.
  • "That's what's gonna be so dope about Bass run out there... he's gonna put us on the more fire." (11:56)

The BSF/Griselda Blueprint—Lifting Overlooked Cities (13:04–14:42)

• The Power of Overlooked Stories: Benny’s approach is about finding and supporting untapped talent from overlooked regions—a strategy he picked up from Westside Gunn.
  • "That's your goal...so much music’s gonna come out of that..." (13:23–13:29)
• Comparisons to Griselda’s Rise: The guests discuss how Griselda’s DNA is in searching for “hidden gems” and how there’s a real market for their sound.
  • "They want to hear this shit. They want to. It's fresh. It's new to them." (14:28–14:29)

Authenticity & Believability in Street Rap (15:12–18:42)

• What Makes It Real? The panel discusses how details, manner of storytelling, and regional slang separate “real” street rap from the rest.
  • "That ain't always talking about the good side...that vivid little pain we felt." – Benny (15:39)
• Regional Accent & Experience: Fuego highlights how being from a different place gives his music a distinct flavor.
  • "People think it’s a disadvantage. For me, I came in feeling like it’s an advantage...they gonna hear me say this...But like, he from where? Y’ all gonna want to tap in." (17:01–17:10)

Where Griselda Stands Now (18:07–24:43)

• Still a Family Business: Though all have developed their own brands, the original Griselda dynamic remains—complete with family disputes and real brotherhood.
  • "That's at the same place it was at where we started...niggas about to get some music." – Benny (18:57)
  • "These is These guys who I knew my whole life...Pick up the phone, call these right now. FaceTime. He's going to answer..." (23:10–23:18)
• On Public Incidents: Addressing rumors of beef, Benny clarifies the truth and the bigger picture—“nothing that’s ever going to stop no paper or nothing.”

The Blueprint of the Underground (36:35–40:38)

• Legacy & Respect: The crew compares Griselda’s run with The LOX, citing the way Griselda built a business model—merch, touring, and independence—for the underground.
  • "Griselda created an entire business model for artists... The whole underground movement was the blueprint of Griselda." (38:08)
• Not Just About Youth: Benny & team stress that their appeal stretches beyond trying to cater to young fans; their lane is sustaining generational, real talk.
  • "You got to chase the younger crowd. I feel like the younger crowd is only going to be young for a certain amount of time. Then they going to be old forever." (39:20)

Family, Responsibility, and Motivation (32:17–36:38)

• Fuego on Benny and Survival: Fuego credits Benny with helping literally save his life—off the streets and out of a cycle in Hartford.
  • "Benny saved my life. Hell, yeah. I might have been dead already...I was still out there trying to do that." (32:28)
• Pressure & Authenticity: Both artists reinforce that they feel no need to compromise their sound or content for trends.
  • "If people don't want to hear that from me...they don't gotta listen to it. And the people who listen to it, they love that shit." – Benny (36:11)

Business Lessons, Merch, and Financial Growth (55:21–59:00)

• Surprise at Legal Money: Fuego opens up about the surreal experience of making money cleanly.
  • "I started getting money like my phone was booming...I'd be feeling like I stole that sometimes, bro." (55:44)
• The Merch Economy: Both artists talk about the financial impact of merch, citing Griselda as having created a new financial model for independent rap artists.
  • "That blueprint changed my life financially. Because I'm not doing nothing that I haven't seen them do." (58:32)

Patchwork, Collaborations, and Indie Tactics (60:05–62:43)

• ‘Patch in with the Patch’: Benny explains the importance of connecting with the right people in the indie/underground rap world, likening it to knowing the right industry players.
  • "This is what I tell niggas. It's just like the industry on a micro scale...You got to be around to learn that." (60:46–62:14)

The Stove God Situation & Industry Control Games (62:43–65:54)

• On Industry Gatekeeping: Benny gives his perspective on contract drama, especially the Stove God situation.
  • "I think the person who's controlling that situation loves that more than they would love the money." (63:53)

Producer Dreams & Not Chasing Features (66:07–67:59)

• Fuego on Features: More interested in classic producers (Havoc, RZA) than rapper collabs; cool so long as he’s got Benny.
  • "If I need a feature, I’m like, I got Benny the Butcher. Like, you feel this." (67:04)

Final Thoughts & Closing Moments (69:30–70:56)

• Recognition and Support: The episode ends with mutual praise, a promise to reconnect, and a sense of pride in their independent grind.
  • "Look what the culture gave us, man, you know what I'm saying?" – Benny (71:03)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On “Realness” in Rap:
  "That ain't always talking about the good side... that vivid little pain we felt...a dope line, but he took me back to a place I ain't even want to go back to." – Benny the Butcher (15:39)
• On Regional Aspiration:
  "We the real lab rats...They don’t treat us like Connecticut...we can’t even get the radio out there." – Fuego Bass (07:38, 08:05)
• On Griselda’s Impact:
  "Griselda created an entire business model for artists that aren’t even on Griselda to continue on with merch shows. The whole underground movement was the blueprint." – Podcast Producer (38:08)
• On Music Industry Politics:
  "Biggest thing I don't like about this shit is the weird politics. They try to make it seem like it's business, but it ain't. It's politics." – Benny the Butcher (50:05)
• On Newfound Legal Money:
  "We ain't do nothing to nobody to get this, bro....They can't come take this...I love that you put harm next to profit." – Fuego Bass & Rory (56:02–56:42)
• On Staying True:
  "If they could compromise you, then this shit ain't for you. Like, we don't compromise." – Fuego Bass (60:18)
• On Not Chasing the Next Trend:
  "You got to chase the younger crowd. I feel like the younger crowd is only going to be young for a certain amount of time. Then they going to be old forever." – Guest/Interviewer (39:20)
• On Family Over Everything:
  "Pick up the phone, call these [guys] right now. FaceTime. He's going to answer the phone, say a joke..." – Benny the Butcher (23:13)

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Timestamp Guide to Important Segments

• 03:03 – Rory introduces Benny & Fuego, addressing their growth and the “family” aspect
• 04:07 – Benny and Rory on business lessons & longevity
• 07:05 – Fuego on holding up Connecticut
• 13:14 – Benny on the BSF roster and the upstate movement
• 15:26 – On authenticity and storytelling in street rap
• 17:01 – The regional accent and “advantage” of being different
• 18:57 – Benny on the status and future of Griselda collaborations
• 23:10 – Discussion on real family ties within Griselda
• 32:28 – Fuego: “Benny saved my life”
• 36:11 – Benny on feeling pressured to switch up content
• 38:08 – Griselda’s influence on the business of the underground
• 55:44 – Fuego on the surprise of legal income
• 60:46 – Benny on indie tactics and patchwork collaborations
• 63:53 – Benny on industry control and gatekeeping (Stove God story)
• 66:16 – Fuego on dream producers and not chasing rapper features
• 69:30 – Mutual shoutouts, closing salutes, and continuing the legacy

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Final Notes

Tone: Playful, raw, and unfiltered, the episode features candid stories, inspiration for overlooked cities, and solid advice for indie artists.

Best For: Anyone interested in the business and brotherhood behind the biggest street rap movement of the last decade, or fans of gritty, authentic hip-hop storytelling.

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Listen for unvarnished lessons on using regional pride, loyalty, and authenticity as the ultimate come-up—plus all the laughs and occasional wild stories only BSF and Rory can create.

Transcript

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[Benny the Butcher]

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[Fuego Bass]

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[Benny the Butcher]

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[Fuego Bass]

All?

[Benny the Butcher]

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[Podcast Host / Advertiser]

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[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

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[Benny the Butcher]

No warrior now. Conductor.

[Rory]

All right, Rory, we back. It's a special episode. This is a. This is a different episode.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

Rory, I'm in Damaris seat today.

[Rory]

You are in Damaris's seat. You are deroary today. But today we are joined by. This is family. But you know, ever since this nigga started getting money, man, I don't hear from him.

[Benny the Butcher]

Stop that.

[Rory]

I don't See him no more.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Two Chain Benny.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's a lot of different things happening, but this is my man. This is my fam right here. And today he got a guy with him that, you know, been. Been following. Been listening to Zip as well.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Biggest since Cam.

[Rory]

Big fan of his, man. Today we are joined by Benny the Butcher, Fuego Bass. These are the real Sopranos, bsf.

[Guest / Interviewer]

My

[Fuego Bass]

Benny.

[Rory]

What's up, man?

[Benny the Butcher]

Man, I'm good. I ain't seen you since you been getting money too, brother.

[Rory]

No, no, no, Don.

[Benny the Butcher]

I got the Internet, nigga. I see what's going on.

[Rory]

We not doing that. Nah, nah. But I ain't see you in a minute. I think the last time we saw each other, we sat down, was Atlanta.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

Yeah, I think it was Atlanta.

[Rory]

Atlanta.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

That was the last time.

[Rory]

But obviously a lot has changed. A lot is happening. But how you feeling, man?

[Benny the Butcher]

I'm feeling good, man. I'm feeling good, man. I'm going in on 10 years of this shit, man. And it feels great.

[Rory]

It is.

[Benny the Butcher]

You know what I mean?

[Rory]

Feel like dirty needles. I just heard Dirty Needles the other day. I'm just like, that's how I feel too.

[Benny the Butcher]

That's how I feel to me too. That's how I feel to me too.

[Rory]

But a lot has happened, man. Yeah, but you more so now, you know, looking at you, you're in a different space as far as, like, business now with BSF and obviously signing a fuego base. How much have you changed? Just on the business side now, you

[Benny the Butcher]

know, Shit a little more clear cut to me. I understand it more, you know what I'm saying? A lot of this shit be trial and error, you know what I'm saying? We having fun at the same time, but at the end of the day, it's business. But you know what I'm saying? I earned my position in a lot of these rooms, you know what I'm saying? Where I'm able to do certain things now that I probably wasn't able to do a few years ago, what I'm saying, you know what I mean?

[Rory]

And how did the connection with this rapping ass nigga Bass, man. First of all, I saw Bass at. I wanna say it was. I don't know if it was a Griselda show. Y' all was at sobs and I saw Base and he was standing in the cut. I didn't say nothing to him, but I just kind of walked up to him and. And pat it on the show, let him know, like, n. I'm listening and I'm watching You. And from that point on, Fuego. I mean, every time I hear you, it's like, I don't know if you trying to, you know, raise the crime rate. I don't know what you trying to do.

[Benny the Butcher]

You know what he trying to do on purpose. You know what he's trying to do.

[Guest / Interviewer]

This shit that he say, hey, look,

[Benny the Butcher]

I met this nigga through my boy Steve Starks, right? A nigga who. He was tapped in on the music, but he hit me on Instagram. I ended up hitting him back. This, like, 2017, 2018. The nigga hit me back. We ended up getting cool, you know what I'm saying? Just met him on the Grammy. He ended up coming to the crib. Slept on the couch at the crib and everything.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Benny the Butcher]

And he introduced me to a few people, you know what I'm saying? A few people that helped me get my business straight. And Fuego was one of them, you know what I'm saying? So I heard this nigga, I couldn't believe it, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, damn, it's a hitting gym, you know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

Connecticut.

[Benny the Butcher]

I knew he was like a hood, real hood nigga. I'm saying I couldn't wait to work with him.

[Rory]

Benny, you can't talk the way Fuego talking and not be. Listen. I'm not saying Fuego did anything he's saying, but he's in close proximity because you can't. You can't pin it like that.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Nah, I understand everything. Like, anytime somebody say some. That I've been through before, I know

[Rory]

you had to be not saying you did anything.

[Guest / Interviewer]

You cannot imagine that.

[Rory]

Yeah, no, no, no, no.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Yeah, you can. I can't even look at Corey Souls.

[Rory]

Right, right.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Like. Like, you can't. You had to be there to understand. Like the Chinese fool. You look up, you see that.

[Benny the Butcher]

Like.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah. So, Bas, how was it, obviously, coming out of Connecticut and then through. Through the history of rap, we haven't had a lot of. Lot of guys come out of CT that made a lot of noise. It's some. There's some hidden gems and some dudes that if you know, you know, type of thing. But obviously you hold Connecticut, you. You waving the CT flag right now, man.

[Fuego Bass]

That shit just fell in my lap, bruh. I'm just doing my part. It's like, niggas be amazed, but it's like a bunch of niggas out there that's talented.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Fuego Bass]

We know how to do everything. Like, you feel What I'm saying, speaking from mostly from where I'm from, you know what I'm saying? Like, a nigga from Alpha gonna try everything to try to get some bread.

[Rory]

Right?

[Fuego Bass]

You feel what I'm saying? Cause we dealing with a lot of the things that other, like, the major cities dealing with. It's just smaller, so they're not going to talk about it. Right? But we really like to test market for, like, we the real lab rats.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Like, but that is the Tri State, homie. I. I don't know why. Like, I feel like y' all got a. Like a complex. Y' all think y. Like, y'.

[Benny the Butcher]

All.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Y' all try to stay homie, like,

[Fuego Bass]

yo, but everybody don't feel like that. Everybody know they don't treat us like. They don't treat us like Connecticut. My whole life this might do that.

[Guest / Interviewer]

I feel like y' all is us.

[Fuego Bass]

Yo, we can't even get the radio out there. We don't know Flex doing that.

[Guest / Interviewer]

That's crazy.

[Fuego Bass]

We don't know none of that. That's where that. No, that's. That's what that is. Hip hop. We love hip hop. We haven't had, like, too much representatives, but, like, hip hop is the soundtrack of our lives.

[Guest / Interviewer]

No real rap know, like, when you go to Connecticut.

[Rory]

That's Benny's story, though, in Buffalo.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Yes. That's why he lived in Connecticut, because Connecticut.

[Benny the Butcher]

Connecticut is one of them who gonna support the real. You know what I'm saying?

[Fuego Bass]

Everybody know that about Connecticut. A lot of artists where they can't get no bag out down there and get money every weekend before they even get booked out here.

[Guest / Interviewer]

You could definitely tour in Connecticut from

[Rory]

New York City if every been to Toads, of course. Got to go to Toad.

[Fuego Bass]

Kind of where the chip come from, though. Like, I. I feel like you feel me just from us showing so much love and then never getting it back. Like I said, like, with Flex showing love like that. You got to get to New York City to hear that, right?

[Guest / Interviewer]

That's crazy.

[Fuego Bass]

We don't. We can't hear that.

[Guest / Interviewer]

New Jersey, Connecticut. Like, we thought y' all knew that was going on. Like, that y' all is like, us.

[Fuego Bass]

Yeah, we gotta be some parts of Connecticut that get that it is, but, like, not where I'm from. Like, that's what I'm saying. Because it's like. It's like. That's another thing. Like. Like, it's like people always say Connecticut. I'm from Hoffa.

[Rory]

Right.

[Fuego Bass]

You feel what I'm saying? Somewhere else is probably closer to New York and. And got more access to New York. Like, you feel what I'm saying? It's like I'm down there, like, it's like we don't hear the radio and none of that from New York.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

Y' all more on the Boston side in that regard.

[Fuego Bass]

Or Boston closer. Yeah, okay, but Boston don't even got a radio station, bro. Yeah, like, we got it. We got Hot 93, Hot 97, Hot 93, whatever it is. And then 93.7 we got. That's what we get. And then like Boston don't even got

[Guest / Interviewer]

like a regular radio station, like shouting y' all out.

[Fuego Bass]

No, no, no.

[Benny the Butcher]

They breaking down the politics.

[Fuego Bass]

My ant sometimes just right to even get that.

[Rory]

That's crazy.

[Fuego Bass]

You heard I got a long ass wire coming out my little. Coming down my little radio and trying to put it on the door. And you feel what I'm saying? Just to get that, like, we ain't getting no.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Listen, on behalf of the streets of New York, man, I want to say, man, like, yeah, y' all is us, man. Tri State.

[Fuego Bass]

Like I said.

[Benny the Butcher]

I like, you know how you break it down. You break it down because you know the Connecticut is in the feds. They running with the east coast car.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Benny the Butcher]

You know, right? That's where the math. I mean, that's how you break the math all the way down.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Benny the Butcher]

You know what I'm saying? It's a New York car. The east coast, it's all. Yeah, CT run with that car.

[Rory]

Yeah. Who's Some of the dudes in Connecticut, though, that outside of Fuego, that we probably should know and listen to Showly.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Definitely.

[Benny the Butcher]

Yeah.

[Fuego Bass]

I mean, surely the holy man, surely Fire. He been working with Ty Henny from New Haven Dope. All the young G's from my hood. If y' all know, y' all know, if y' all don't tap in, y' all Google them, all type of stuff gonna pop up on them young boys. Yeah, they got like little documentaries about them and stuff like that. But the music is amazing. You feel what I'm saying? So tap into the G's, man. There's a lot going on out there right now, man. Honestly, like, off my head, I can't really say. Like, a lot of my favorites is like, dang, you know, like, they kind of chilling. So it's like they ain't really out there, but who? We got bands. De Niro.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Fuego Bass]

I mean, he been putting it down for a long time for my hood, like, for the city. Shout out to Bro, Yeah, man. I got some people like around me. All you gang poem. Fire.

[Benny the Butcher]

Okay. Yeah.

[Rory]

I mean oil. Gang poem. Yeah, yeah.

[Fuego Bass]

Or you gang poem.

[Rory]

That's the thing.

[Benny the Butcher]

That's just. That's what's gonna be so dope about Bass run out there.

[Fuego Bass]

All you.

[Benny the Butcher]

What's gonna be so dope about this run is that he's gonna put us on the more fire.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Benny the Butcher]

I'm saying, trust me.

[Guest / Interviewer]

I said this will get some more

[Benny the Butcher]

music out of that.

[Guest / Interviewer]

I want to say this on camera, right? Bass made me patch in with the bsf, you heard? Like that is ill. Like I'm saying, like, I've been patched in with Benny before. He was Benny the Bush. Two Chain Benny. And I'm saying two Chain stole his name from son.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Let's get that out the way I remember the buffalo arguing me down about that. I'm like walking to the Gucci store, nigga. Oh, they used to be tight, you know what I'm saying?

[Benny the Butcher]

When they say son to the change,

[Guest / Interviewer]

like they argue me down about that for like five years straight.

[Benny the Butcher]

You heard?

[Guest / Interviewer]

I came home. Surely. Put me on the sun. Sun put me on the sun. I'm patched in, you heard?

[Rory]

So you heard about Benny through.

[Guest / Interviewer]

No, I been. Knew about.

[Rory]

I wasn't heard about BSF through bassf. Okay.

[Guest / Interviewer]

But BSF though, like, I'm passed in. Like these niggas be taught. That's like the soundtrack to a nigga.

[Rory]

Like the real. Real talking. Yes, real talking. Benny, what's new with BSF as far outside of Fuego? Like, what you got working as far

[Benny the Butcher]

as Flame Dot Malik, you know what I'm saying? Sule Patterson, N.J. flame.maliki from Rochester. You know what I'm saying? You know, we keeping this upstate shit alive. You know what. What I'm saying?

[Rory]

That's what you're doing. That's. That's it. That's your goal.

[Benny the Butcher]

You know why? Because it's like so much music gonna come out of that.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Benny the Butcher]

Ain't never. You know what I'm saying? You got special. Definitely.

[Fuego Bass]

Right?

[Benny the Butcher]

I'm saying we. We got these. You got Shay, Nora, we got. We got so many hidden gems that, you know, I mean that. Look at Wes. I learned that from Wes right West to take a. You never heard of right. A dope ass.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Benny the Butcher]

You know what I'm saying?

[Guest / Interviewer]

Not that ran a vicious play.

[Benny the Butcher]

Dope ass music, though. That's what it's about.

[Rory]

And put most. Most importantly. Yeah.

[Benny the Butcher]

The quality of music. So you know what I mean? And niggas like him, motherfuckers like Malik and Sule, too. He a spitter, you know what I mean?

[Rory]

Yeah, I like that you're doing that because obviously, what y' all was able to do with Griselda and the wave that y' all was able to create, I do love the fact that you still keeping it in that DNA of finding those guys that are kind of like, in those cities that get overlooked a little bit. And, like, nice dope niggas here, too, though, right?

[Benny the Butcher]

Right.

[Rory]

Like, you know what I'm saying? We can't overlook it just because it's a smaller city and they don't get the 100% light as the biggest cities. But, like, that don't mean that the talent level is not incredible and it's

[Benny the Butcher]

a market for it, trust me.

[Rory]

Oh, absolutely.

[Benny the Butcher]

No, they want to hear this shit. They want to. They want to. They want to. They want to hear. It's fresh. It's new to them. You know what I'm saying? You know, this nigga talking. How he talk, coming from, where he coming from, is new to them. Like, it was new to people who. I'm saying, you know, niggas who've been trapping ain't dead.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Trapping ain't dead. So, like, when this shit come on, like, real shit. You know what I'm saying? Let me ask you this, right? Like, when you. When you. When you passion with an artist, right? What make you say, like, all right, this shit is believable. You know what I'm saying? What make you. What make you say that? Cause, like, mad be talking that shit. But like, El Camino, when he talked that shit, you know, like he sold some work before. Like, he ain't imagining that they sold some work before.

[Rory]

Allegedly.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Flame sold some work before.

[Benny the Butcher]

Yeah.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Years ago. Like, them, like, when you hear these, that. That you be like, I. Nah, he like, same.

[Benny the Butcher]

You looking for zip. Like that. That. Them certain details. Talking about, like, how the room smelled, when was going on.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Put the mask on before you get real.

[Benny the Butcher]

Like, that ain't always talking about the good side.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Benny the Butcher]

Talking about that. That. That vivid little pain we felt. You know what I'm saying? It's like, damn, this reminded me of something. Yeah, it was a dope line, but he took me back to a place I ain't even want to go back to. You know what I'm saying? That type of. And another thing I pay attention to, like, the. Around those.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Benny the Butcher]

I'm saying. Yeah, that's gonna tell it all. That's gonna tell it all. Yeah, your homie's gonna tell it all.

[Rory]

I think with bass. Like, the one thing I noticed about bass and what I like the most is because I travel, obviously I know the sound of Connecticut, the New England area and all of that. It's the way y' all say things, because you and Benny pretty much say the same shit, but it's the way y' all say things that. That makes it that much. You know what I'm saying? Like, illness. Like, because it's essentially. It's like, oh, they're talking about this, but how they're saying it, and then where they're from and the. The terms that they use and the slang and the little accent, the slight accent. It's not a heavy acc. I think that's what separates y'.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

All.

[Rory]

And that's why I love what you're doing with grabbing guys, like, from those cities that get overlooked because the stories we've heard. But it's how y' all telling it and delivering it, see, like, that makes it so special.

[Fuego Bass]

Like, when being nice, right? Exactly. I felt like that about that. It was new to me, but it was the most believable ever at the time.

[Guest / Interviewer]

But just the sound.

[Benny the Butcher]

But, like, the sound was different.

[Fuego Bass]

Yeah, like, pretty much. That's how I go. Like, like, like. Like people think it's a disadvantage. Like, for me, I came in feeling like it's an advantage. You know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

Never heard it.

[Fuego Bass]

They gonna hear me say this. I'm saying it. But, like, he from where, right? Y' all gonna want to tap in. And then, like I said, it's a thousand more of me out there.

[Rory]

Like.

[Fuego Bass]

Like, that's what we do. This is what we do. We like that. Like, I'm not the only one.

[Benny the Butcher]

Yeah, now it is.

[Fuego Bass]

So it's like. Cause we heard everything before. Like I said, I'm a fan, so I know. Like, I get to places and I navigate those places through shit I heard through music, right? You feel what I'm saying? It's like, oh, I'm here. That's next to there. Cuz, they.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

Them.

[Fuego Bass]

Them too cool. Like, they beef with them over there. Like, you feel me? Like, that's how I break the city down when I get there. That's how I move around that usually, right? So now people learning. Like. Like he said how we talk. Like. Like, it's a different way that we say. You feel what I'm saying? It's a different approach. It's a different attitude. You feel what I'm saying? There's a lot of times it's the first time people hearing that shit. But if you pull up where I'm from, it's like, that's what you gonna see and get and feel.

[Rory]

Now, Benny, with everything that's going on with bsf and, you know, I love the fact obviously, you know, what you've done, what Khan has done and what Wes has done individually in your own regard has been amazing. Where are things now, like, years later, as far as Griselda as a whole? Like, are we getting closer to, you know, seeing Griselda back as one unit? Because I love the imprints that y' all all have grown individually, but what y' all did collectively.

[Benny the Butcher]

Right, right, right. Is the biggest. The biggest.

[Rory]

I mean, it was the. The. The. It allowed for shit like this to happen. You know what I mean? And it created opportunities like that. But just on a. Again, I feel like I could ask you shit that nobody else could really ask you.

[Benny the Butcher]

Go ahead, go ahead.

[Rory]

But just on a personal level, where's that at today, man?

[Benny the Butcher]

That's at the same place it was at where we started, you know what I'm saying? And niggas about to get some music. You know what I'm saying? N. Like, we about to fuck niggas up. Niggas about to get some music. It's just. I be telling niggas, you know, the best case scenario thing happened, you know what I'm saying? I'm doing my shit.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Benny the Butcher]

Con doing his shit, Wes doing his shit. And to be honest with you, you be hearing these niggas be saying they. You be hearing Wes talking about he gonna retire. You hear Conway say, this is last shit. Sometimes these niggas don't be wanting to do this shit, to be honest with you, you know what I'm saying? These niggas a little older than me, they've been doing it a little longer, you know what I'. So, you know, sometimes they don't be wanting to do this shit, but we definitely doing. We definitely doing this. We gonna fuck y' all niggas up, you know what I'm saying? I wanna.

[Rory]

I'll ask you questions, but I have the answers already. I've had some conversations.

[Benny the Butcher]

Okay, okay. So, you know, it's about.

[Rory]

I know some conversations have happened. I know where things, you know, stand. But just hearing it directly from you just gives me like, okay, I know we kind of getting closer to that. You said something about.

[Benny the Butcher]

But I'm like everybody else. I thought it should have been happening.

[Rory]

You know what I'M saying it should have been happening.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

But why you think that is, Bunny?

[Benny the Butcher]

Why it hasn't been that way?

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

Why do you think they both feel that way? I understand they've been doing it.

[Benny the Butcher]

Why they don't want to do it no more?

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

Yeah,

[Benny the Butcher]

I don't know. I think them niggas is sick of this shit, you know what I'm saying?

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

Oh, no, I understand it.

[Benny the Butcher]

And not in a bad way. Those are two like family orientated guys, you know what I'm saying, who be in the career with their family, who be around they niggas and they immediate family and they like doing that shit. Not saying that they gonna stop creating music because that's what they love to do too. But, you know, I mean, I. You be hearing them niggas. Yeah, I be pissed off and I be hearing that this talk about. But they don't. They don't be wanting. I'm saying everybody could see I get a little more excited about this shit than those guys. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you know, that's obvious. They don't be wanting to do this shit, but only thing they're interested in doing is together. Yeah, together, though.

[Rory]

I mean, I think that makes the most sense now. There was something that happened and I, you know, I spoke to the guys like, well, I spoke to Khan on that side. As soon as I heard about it, a situation that happened, I don't know, was it London or Paris? And I was just like, let's get that out. I said, nah. I mean, I picked up the phone immediately. I called my man Chad. I said, yo. And he started laughing. As soon as he answered the phone, he said, yo, I knew you was. I'm saying, yo, bro, I don't know what I'm reading online. And, you know, I don't really, like, take. I take that shit with a grain of salt. If I have personal relationships with guys that I fuck with and I love,

[Benny the Butcher]

you can just pick up the phone.

[Rory]

I'm picking up the phone. What the fuck am I seeing? Nah, man, it wasn't bro. And it wasn't Benny exactly. Homies from both sides had a little da da da. But it's cool. Everybody spoke cool. Never asked about it again.

[Benny the Butcher]

As long as I hear it was a lot going on in there. It was, you know what I mean? It was like white boys in there doing shit too. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't like me versus my niggas versus his niggas shit. It wasn't no shit like that. It was a bra back there.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Benny the Butcher]

And I'm saying a good one, too.

[Rory]

Let me ask this question.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Take that painting off the stage and move it to the side. And was like, yo, now we ready. How that made you feel? Like, what you thought about when you saw that?

[Rory]

Spoke to him about that, too.

[Benny the Butcher]

So, honestly, I was like, he probably was mad I beat that 2k or some.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Nah, that was.

[Benny the Butcher]

I'm nasty. I'm nasty in that. Don't know. I don't know. You know what I mean? I don't know.

[Rory]

No, from what I know, it was a thing of. He asked that guy to not put those paintings there before the show started. And then once he went on, he saw them there and he moved it because he's like, I just asked. I told you not to put this up here, man.

[Benny the Butcher]

Y' all know, man. Y' all know if y' all know Conway by now, man. Oh, I know if y' all know that right now.

[Rory]

I know it, and I know it ain't gonna go but so far with y'.

[Guest / Interviewer]

All.

[Rory]

Cause like I tell people all the time, y' all are real family.

[Benny the Butcher]

100.

[Rory]

This ain't just rap and guys from a city that are kind of cool. No, no, no, no, no. This is real family. So your family has disagreements. And I got a cousin right now,

[Guest / Interviewer]

used to play for the Knicks.

[Rory]

Yeah. I ain't with him right now and never gave a right. Right.

[Fuego Bass]

Yeah.

[Benny the Butcher]

Nothing that's ever going to stop. No paper or nothing that. Nothing. Be feeling like we hate each other.

[Rory]

I don't.

[Benny the Butcher]

I don't be knowing.

[Rory]

No.

[Benny the Butcher]

Would that be about. But these is. These is These guys who I knew my whole life.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Benny the Butcher]

You feel what I'm saying? Pick up the phone, call these right now. FaceTime. He's going to answer the phone, say a joke.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Benny the Butcher]

I call. If I call Wes right now, Wes gonna ask me for a verse.

[Fuego Bass]

Yeah.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Yo, Westpool, one of the most vicious plays I ever saw.

[Benny the Butcher]

You know what I'm saying? You know what I mean, Real, now,

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

we know what you're about to say.

[Guest / Interviewer]

We know people said West Paul, one of the most vicious plays I ever saw. Shout out to that word, the mother. Shout out to him because he made it possible for all of this.

[Benny the Butcher]

100.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Real came home from the feds.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Guest / Interviewer]

And ran a vicious play. Jail for the win. I respect that.

[Benny the Butcher]

Real.

[Guest / Interviewer]

I ain't even no west fan like that, you heard?

[Benny the Butcher]

But I respect that. Put a. He put a rabbit out of the hat, you know what I'm saying?

[Guest / Interviewer]

I seen some one time and say your west is worth like 9 million. I was like, shout out to the Buffalo for that, though.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Came home from jail. They say that. Like public record say a worth nine. Shout out to him for that, though.

[Rory]

You heard they might have got some of them numbers wrong, but you know, right. I don't give a. I think it's more than that.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Like that. And I'm saying, you did your thing like that.

[Fuego Bass]

That's pretty wardrobe.

[Guest / Interviewer]

I said some one time that was on the Internet. Talking mad one time. I was like, yeah, I respect it.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Guest / Interviewer]

I ain't even wild him up. Another I respect he popping mad. Yeah, I respect it. You already pulled one of the most vicious plays.

[Benny the Butcher]

No, you know, but though you are those guys as brothers, they love each other. We all love each other. About to get some music, you know what I'm saying? I know, I've been.

[Rory]

I know what's happening, man.

[Benny the Butcher]

The niggas about to get some music, you know what I'm saying? I don't even want to. Just so I know what's happening.

[Rory]

I've had the conversations, you know, you know, in private where I'm just like, okay, I'm good with that. I know, you know, conversations happen and things are in a good space and it's just all a matter of time and now at this point. But, you know, obviously things is happening, things is moving. I know that there's already, you know, some joints probably recorded that y' all did that y' all got tucked away and shit like that.

[Guest / Interviewer]

No worry.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

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[Rory]

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[Benny the Butcher]

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[Benny the Butcher]

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[Kal Penn]

hey everyone, it's Kal Penn. I'm the host of Irsay The Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club. This week on the podcast, I am sitting down with Ray Porter, the narrator of Andy Weir's audiobook project, Hail Mary Massive sci fi adventure about survival and science and what happens when you wake up alone, very far from Earth.

[Ray Porter]

I really had to make a decision because I caught myself getting that frog in my throat and starting to get teary as I'm narrating some of these sections. And it's like, okay, yo, yo, yo, is this indulgent? And I really thought about it.

[Benny the Butcher]

I was like, no.

[Ray Porter]

At this point, it would kind of be betraying the trust the author and the listener have in telling this story if I don't go through it. But there's places in this book that. That deeply, emotionally affected me. And I left it on the mic.

[Kal Penn]

That's great.

[Ray Porter]

Cause it served the story. People will say like, oh my God, I cried at the end. It's like, yeah, dude, me too.

[Kal Penn]

Listen to Irsay the Audible and iHeart audiobook club on the iHeartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Rory]

Now Ash is in the safe. Bsf, Benny Fuego. Believe Rick Hyde is on There Gotta be someone.

[Guest / Interviewer]

I got a me verse 4. I'm not on there. I'm not on there.

[Rory]

Oh, no, no, sorry.

[Guest / Interviewer]

The other ring high got a fire verse.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

Shout out to Rick.

[Rory]

Shout out to Rick. Hot. Now, listening to that project, I could just tell that you and Benny got a ton load, like in the. In the cut that. To me, that was just. Y' all just gave us a glimpse of a sparring session. Y' all just gave us a glimpse of. Just like, this is open gym. We just in here getting up and down.

[Benny the Butcher]

You can send this a record. He gonna send it right back. And I feed off his energy.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Benny the Butcher]

Sometimes I'm like, yo, do a record and just send it to me. So. So it got his vibe on it and shit like that. Yeah, definitely. You know what I'm saying? He wanted them ones, you know what I mean?

[Guest / Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Benny the Butcher]

It's like being in there with Conway or being in there with Special, you know what I'm saying? It's matching the intensity and it's matching the feeling and the vividness of the verse.

[Rory]

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Now, now, now, Base, what was your. When you first met Benny, right? Cause obviously, two writers, two rappers. Like, what was the mindset? Like, I gotta. I gotta. I gotta make sure anything this send me, I gotta outperform them. Or was it just like, everybody be

[Benny the Butcher]

asking us this shit?

[Guest / Interviewer]

Yo, you can't hear it because it's a real question.

[Fuego Bass]

Yo. I got like. Like, I'm from somewhere different. I got my own shit.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

Yeah.

[Fuego Bass]

So it's like, I gotta just make sure I'm doing my folks right, Right. You feel what I'm saying? It's competitive in the sense that I don't want to get watched. This is my favorite rapper, okay? And I think he's the best rapper. I don't think none of these niggas correct. Better than that.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Fuego Bass]

You feel what I'm saying? So if I'm keeping up, I'm doing good. You feel what I'm saying? I'm here. I'm here to be the best version of myself, right? Here to sell bass, right? Like, I've been doing that. You feel what I'm saying? So it's like, been doing that.

[Benny the Butcher]

Yeah.

[Fuego Bass]

So it's never that. Like, I'm just here to make sure. Like, I don't. Bro, I don't know how the I got on this couch. So. So every time I'm rapping, it's like, yo, let me make that dude proud. Listen, nigga, I'm rapping for my life.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Fuego Bass]

A lot of these niggas might not be. You feel what I'm saying?

[Rory]

I got my life savings.

[Benny the Butcher]

Yeah.

[Fuego Bass]

Like, if this shit don't go right for me, because, you know, yeah. Like, I'm going back the same without this. I'm going back. I'm not that far ahead in this yet. To where I can't go back there, right? So that's what y' all hear. You feel me? And like I said, I'm from somewhere else to where, like, this don't really happen. So that shit come with a lot of responsibility, too. You feel what I'm saying?

[Guest / Interviewer]

I appreciate that.

[Fuego Bass]

I gotta, like, take care of my shit back there.

[Rory]

I saw an interview that y' all did. I forgot who it was with. And you said benny saved my life.

[Fuego Bass]

Hell, yeah. I might have been dead already. I used to come outside every day, but, like, to figure out if somebody would kill me or go to jail, right? The I'm doing. You feel what I'm saying? Like, where Else is going really lead to, right? Like you could hear it in the music. I wasn't no kingpin or no like that. Like I got way more money and that I never had before from rapping, right? And that saw that in me before I saw it in myself. I was still out there around trying to do that. I went to jail twice since I've. With this. I done spoke to this on the collect call. Yeah, that told me he just signed Rock Nation. I'm like, I'm in this.

[Rory]

I'm in here eating cheese sandwiches and

[Fuego Bass]

I'm up the order for the phone and see, yo, I got to call back. Yo, watch them. Rock Nation.

[Rory]

Yeah, right?

[Fuego Bass]

Going on. You heard? And it's like they. They running around in my man car.

[Rory]

Car, right?

[Fuego Bass]

Rest in peace, Shay. Driving my man car when I call. Like you feel what I'm saying? Like ever since I met. Like I said, like they always like that. That was like family from the beginning. Like, they accepted me. Accepted me. Come with baggage too. Like I said, I'm from somewhere else. They accepted my hood, my family. Like you feel what I'm saying? Like that.

[Rory]

Do y' all got a video for like it is off the Ashes. Ashes in the Safe Project. Because that song.

[Guest / Interviewer]

It's a movie. Yeah, we do a whole movie, son. You gotta watch more.

[Benny the Butcher]

You gotta watch it

[Guest / Interviewer]

fire, son.

[Benny the Butcher]

Gotta watch that movie.

[Guest / Interviewer]

They gotta like, it's like 20 minutes some like that cinematic.

[Benny the Butcher]

That's what you're doing? Yeah, you know, I gotta. I got a movie deal that I'm really about to shoot a full length movie. So we just practicing doing. Not practicing, because that's real work right there. Yeah, I'm saying. But we got some work, man. Check that out, man. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, to be honest with. I heard that Pyrex and Prayers when he sent that. I heard it and I'm like, you know what? But I'm basically. That's like inspired me to want to do the album too. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, this shit's so crazy. Like, it's time for to hear this base. Let's do an album. It. It's time for to hear this.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Benny the Butcher]

You know what I'm saying? Let's do an album. It. You know what? We're gonna do a small film with the album.

[Fuego Bass]

Right.

[Benny the Butcher]

You know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

Right?

[Benny the Butcher]

Fuck it. You know what? Press run. You know what I'm saying? For real. Cause niggas need to hear this shit.

[Rory]

Yeah. No, listen, that Ashes need to hear this shit. I don't know if. If people have heard it or not.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Nah, that shit is crazy.

[Rory]

That shit is crazy. That's one of my favorite projects this year by far. Again, just because of the type of rapping that y' all are doing.

[Benny the Butcher]

Right, Right, right.

[Rory]

And then the type of. The type of things y' all are talking about, it's just. It's just a different. Different thing that's happening with everything else going on right now. That. That's just a whole different man.

[Benny the Butcher]

I want people to know that I'm. I'm so comfortable occupying the space that I occupy. You feel what I'm saying? I don't want to be out here competing with. For they spot. Yeah, I'd rather be running my spot, doing my shit, watching my come up, I'm saying. Doing what I'm doing, sitting on the couch with. With y'. All. You know what I'm saying? I'd rather be doing that than any thing in the world, taking care of my family. Look at India

[Guest / Interviewer]

driving back from Guadalajara,

[Benny the Butcher]

you know what I'm saying? I'd rather be doing that. Got my city boy Bo No Harlem. Yeah, I'd rather be doing this. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, to anything.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

Benny, do you ever feel pressure? Like, I've watched with the Clips album coming out, I saw what they tried to say about HOV before 4:44. I even see what they say about Drake now about changing your content and not always rapping. Cause I don't think you do that at all. But I also don't think the clips, Drake or HOV did that either. But they get that stamp on them that their content doesn't change, man.

[Benny the Butcher]

I don't know.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

Is that a pressure this far into your career that maybe astronomy I need to stop rapping about certain shit, to

[Benny the Butcher]

be honest with you. Sometimes it is. But like I said, you know, I'm occupying a certain spot for certain people. And if people don't want to hear that from me, you know, they don't. They don't. They don't gotta listen to it. You feel what I'm saying? And the people who listen to it, they love that shit. They want me to continue more of that shit. They feel I need it. They feel I'm not talking about the street shit enough. They don't think I'm doing it enough.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Fuego Bass]

So it's like.

[Benny the Butcher]

Like I said, man, I'm just having fun with this and occupying my space, man, and giving the streets music, you know, the Jails love this. The gels love this. You know, always compare the Griselda run to the locks. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to big bros. And I'm not trying to say we. We on a level. No, like that. What I'm just trying to say is, like, when people say that, they just like, y' all remind us of those times. That's what I'm saying. So you know what they saying.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Listen, listen, listen. Respectfully, the Griselda run this, BSF run that. Y' all is on this is like for at least six years straight. Like y' all been. And when think about that. Locks run that when they.

[Benny the Butcher]

Right, right.

[Guest / Interviewer]

That wasn't even six years. That was a three year, four year. Solidify these. Just solidify. We love these. You heard? Y' all been on seven year run like this. Not a year run like this. Don't look at yourselves like y' all second to that.

[Benny the Butcher]

I feel what you said with that.

[Guest / Interviewer]

It's a whole generation of that came up off of BSF that came up off of Griselda same way y' all came up off of the locks. Don't, don't, don't, don't. Don't put your second.

[Rory]

That's why.

[Benny the Butcher]

That's what I'm saying is because it's like, like I said, like, we occupy that space for certain people. You feel what I'm saying? And that's. Tell me everything I need to know about what I'm doing and what I need to keep doing. You know what I'm saying? Shit like that.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

Zip. I'll do you one better.

[Fuego Bass]

All right?

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

Griselda may not have all about the Benjamins or whatever, but. And there's no disrespect to the locks, but Griselda created an entire business model for artists that aren't even on Griselda to continue on with merch shows. The whole underground movement was the blueprint of Griselda.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Right now.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

As much as I love the locks, the locks never created an entire genre.

[Benny the Butcher]

We ain't gonna do this right now. Like, we ain't gonn.

[Guest / Interviewer]

That's what I'm saying.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

I love the locks.

[Guest / Interviewer]

I love the locks.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

But to me, to me, they're all about the. Let me lay my point. To me, they're all about the Benjamins is creating an entire genre for the underground to be profitable.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

To me, that's what Griselda has done, even if you're not Sonic Griselda, Black Soprano family Drum work, anything like that. You still now have this lane where it's a bunch of underground fans that want to pay for tickets, buy merch stream shit. They created a genre, in my opinion.

[Benny the Butcher]

And I'm just saying. And I'm saying, just saying, it's like when things get said like that is when we mention any near that type of cloth. Yeah, that tells me everything I need to know, what I need to keep

[Rory]

doing, the artist that I need to bring.

[Benny the Butcher]

I'm saying that let me know. Okay. I'm saying they look at this like it's this. So got to thinking that the younger

[Guest / Interviewer]

crowd, like, yo, you got to chase the younger crowd. I feel like the younger crowd is only going to be young for a certain amount of time. Then they going to be old forever.

[Benny the Butcher]

Can't do that shit.

[Guest / Interviewer]

You understand what I'm saying? You're going to be old forever, like. And then, you understand what I'm saying? You're gonna have to patch in with a certain type of sound. Like, you can't be doing that Russian dance for a long time. That's when we get young fans, man.

[Benny the Butcher]

We do shows over tour. I mean, shows on tour, overseas. Yeah, I think it's 15, 16 year old kids there.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Yeah, because it's real rap.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

Yo. Shit, when we were in London with Rock Marcion, like, it was 15 year olds.

[Rory]

Yeah, Rock Marc, another Rock, another guy.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

That Rock is with them created that

[Rory]

lane in that legend in his shit. Legend in his shit.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

I think it's him and Griselda.

[Guest / Interviewer]

That's that.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

That define this.

[Rory]

My favorite guys, right? Obviously, outside of Benny and Khan and Wes is guys like Fuego, you know, guys like Errol Holden, you know what I'm saying? I'm listening to guys Sule Al Doe. Like, I'm listening to. I find myself listening to that because it's, you know, Rome, Rome streets. It's. It's, you know, it's ransom, ransom, ransom. Like, it's still a lot of guys special. It's a lot of guys that. That's still, you know, they spitting and they rap in a way that, you know, where I used to have the headphones on going to school. It gave me that feeling. It gave me that vibe. It's that type of. That type of energy. So I appreciate y' all keeping that type of rap.

[Guest / Interviewer]

The new Clue tape, nigga.

[Rory]

Right?

[Benny the Butcher]

No, we need that. I've been saying this for years. They be trying.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Y' all like the new tape 100%.

[Benny the Butcher]

Cause that's the energy that's needed and they try to act. So they try to act like it. It needs to go away. And I don't want people. Come on, man.

[Guest / Interviewer]

So niggas ain't like the Clue tape was getting more spins than the radio in the hood.

[Rory]

Oh, for sure.

[Guest / Interviewer]

We need, like, everybody just want to

[Benny the Butcher]

press play and get that feeling. I'm saying. And get that. And get that feeling and get that

[Guest / Interviewer]

shit that a nigga going through. That a nigga been through. Like, fuck. Everybody ain't partying in the club, having fun all the time.

[Rory]

Yeah, give us another side of it. Give us another.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Yeah, how you got that money?

[Rory]

We understand that, but yeah, like, right.

[Benny the Butcher]

You should see.

[Fuego Bass]

Right?

[Benny the Butcher]

You should see what this shit inspired these niggas to do. You know what I'm saying? You already know, you know what I'm saying? This music is ultimate motivation for street guys, you know what I'm saying?

[Guest / Interviewer]

Nah, we need that, bro.

[Benny the Butcher]

And it's not on no bad neither, you know what I'm saying? It's see us with our families all the time, talk about being with their daughters. And I'm saying. Talking about togetherness. And I'm saying we really mean family when we say that. Everybody is family. Like you said, we accepted this from Hartford, right? My Bono and Bundy. I'm saying them from sv, you know what I'm saying? We from Buffalo. You know what I'm saying? Sule from Patterson, right. Maliki from Rochester. You know what I'm saying? It's like a collection of from different cities.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah. Stories.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

You just name the scariest cities I've ever been to.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Yeah, but the story is the same everywhere you go.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

Like.

[Guest / Interviewer]

And that's what.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

Like, I've been in Patterson lately.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Nah. And I ain't going. Right, Right. My is like. Like, I ain't going to no slums while I'm visiting the slums. I come from there. That I know what going there. I don't need to see that. But I ain't just visiting that.

[Fuego Bass]

Yo, I ain't going to lie. My paper still come from the slums. Yeah. And they love me me. You gotta go some spots. It might be like six dudes put the money together. Yeah. To get me on the feature in the video.

[Guest / Interviewer]

That's fine. You know what I'm saying?

[Fuego Bass]

Like, for real.

[Benny the Butcher]

Yeah.

[Fuego Bass]

I mean, they feel that so much,

[Benny the Butcher]

they have to do a song with you, you know what I'm saying?

[Fuego Bass]

They gotta.

[Benny the Butcher]

They gotta just vibe with you because that's what a lot of times when is paying for, you know? What I'm saying.

[Fuego Bass]

Yeah, I've been doing that song coming up that really don't rap. I'll be trying to, like, look them up like, man, they don't got no nothing on YouTube. Nothing.

[Rory]

Yeah, let's just be wanting to be

[Guest / Interviewer]

in the hole when you could tell,

[Benny the Butcher]

like, yeah, got the idea to do the song with. He heard your had some money laying around him like, man, I'm about to get a feature from this

[Fuego Bass]

dope, man. We got dope for real. Call him. I be having dudes, like, trying to cop for me at shows.

[Benny the Butcher]

Like, yo, man,

[Fuego Bass]

somebody put pulled me to the side. You say such and such a grand, yo. What like, yo, bro, Bas, I know you got it. I'm like, bro, I'm just rapping this, bro.

[Rory]

I'm just rapping.

[Fuego Bass]

Bug it. That's crazy. Yo, facts and all, dudes be pulling me to the side like, yo, man, that narcana trap real, bro.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

How much.

[Fuego Bass]

How much them shit's going for? Yo, that's day to be dead serious.

[Rory]

That merch, I need something else.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

No, I can't be in the merch. It's crazy.

[Fuego Bass]

Yo, you won't believe.

[Benny the Butcher]

I got an idea.

[Fuego Bass]

Yo, I was, I was, I was. I was in the club recently and somebody, like, tried to give me some cut.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Oh, trying to give my son some knock on knock.

[Fuego Bass]

Yo, I swear, I swear to God. How it happened? Like, we in bucks in the spot. We chilling, man. Bas, you need some drink? I packed up. I got the up out of there.

[Rory]

Like, that's crazy.

[Fuego Bass]

I asked him what he said, what you say to me, bro? Like, he disrespect what you say to me, bro? He said, drake, what you thought I was playing?

[Guest / Interviewer]

I'm like, oh, yeah, you talking all

[Rory]

that in these songs. I'm here.

[Benny the Butcher]

They do that. They be on that. They do that.

[Rory]

Yeah. That's crazy as. That's some funny, man. So, Benny, the damn. Another thing, I feel like I got to catch up with this on camera. I hate this. But the Drake verse, the Drake song, you sent that to me years ago, right? And then what was it? Rory, he. They put that out. Benny was great to put the song out.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And Drake didn't clear it.

[Benny the Butcher]

Exactly.

[Rory]

Have you had any conversations with him during that moment or post that moment? Like, was it any. Like, right before, what was that conversation? Like,

[Benny the Butcher]

we need to drop this. I'm saying, he told me, he was like, damn, we should have been dropped this. Yeah, I'm like, I'm about to drop it

[Rory]

now. You Sent me that song years ago.

[Benny the Butcher]

That's an old song.

[Fuego Bass]

Yeah, this was.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Let me get that.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

What year was it when you. When Benny played?

[Benny the Butcher]

That was on YouTube, floating around somewhere, you know?

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

You know what I'm saying? It's like. It's like 7am in Buffalo or something.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Heard it.

[Fuego Bass]

Let me get it.

[Guest / Interviewer]

I'm gonna put that out.

[Fuego Bass]

I got you.

[Benny the Butcher]

Put that out.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Dead ass. Yeah, about to come out right now. Benny the Butcher Drake. Let's get to that.

[Benny the Butcher]

I got you. You.

[Fuego Bass]

I'mma send it to you think it

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

was bad timing or.

[Fuego Bass]

Because he.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

I probably. He had a lot going on.

[Benny the Butcher]

I probably was. It probably was. But it, you know, people wanted to hear the record. You know what I'm saying?

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

Yeah.

[Benny the Butcher]

Sitting on the record.

[Rory]

Yeah. I remember when I heard it, he was finally putting it out. I'm trying to see when you sent that. That probably was like pan.

[Benny the Butcher]

But to be honest with you, I wasn't thinking about the record before Pandemic.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Benny the Butcher]

Until he hit me up out of nowhere and said it. You know what I'm saying? He was like, damn, damn, you should have put this record out.

[Guest / Interviewer]

He was holding it and then put it out.

[Benny the Butcher]

Hell no. Cause I can't put the record out without his clearance anyway. You know what I'm saying? So I never tried to put the record out, though. I never tried to put the record out.

[Rory]

But when you got it. Cause you. Before the pandemic, I believe when you sent it to me, this had to

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

be 2019 when he played it for us. It was definitely before the pandemic.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Damn. I was still up north.

[Benny the Butcher]

Yeah.

[Guest / Interviewer]

I came home September 2020.

[Benny the Butcher]

Oh, yeah, you came right home. Middle of the pandemic, I'm saying.

[Rory]

So y' all had a conversation and he said he wasn't gonna. He couldn't clear it. Because I think. Was it what was going on around that time? Because I can't remember exactly when he tried to drop.

[Benny the Butcher]

I mean, I don't know. You know, it's rap beef, all type of.

[Rory]

I don't know.

[Benny the Butcher]

You know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

Was it that. Was that happening around the push time? Oh, that. Okay. Yeah.

[Guest / Interviewer]

How you felt when those 20 niggas versus Drake. How you felt about the.

[Benny the Butcher]

That, you know, that was crazy. You a jump in? Hell no. I don't got nothing to do with that.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

Jumping into that would have been hilarious.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Jumped in that.

[Benny the Butcher]

Only if it. If it was something personal. That's the only time I address anything on a song with a. I hate doing that. But no, I thought that was crazy, though.

[Rory]

It was good for like, a lot of raps came out that moment.

[Benny the Butcher]

You think. Think that kind of like, kind of up a little bit?

[Guest / Interviewer]

Yes. The music ain't been the same. I'll be in the clubs, I'll be outside. I don't give a what nobody say. I'll be in them spots. Music ain't been the same since, like three years ago. It was a different vibe in the club.

[Benny the Butcher]

Except you write, but that people don't want to say, though.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Huh?

[Benny the Butcher]

I said you write, but that people don't want to say.

[Guest / Interviewer]

I don't give a what they want to say. I'm gonna say what I want to say.

[Benny the Butcher]

Music been different.

[Guest / Interviewer]

I swear to God, dog.

[Rory]

Boring.

[Guest / Interviewer]

They put the music on from 2020, 2021, 20. It be a vibe you heard you being. Then they start playing that from 2024, 20, 25, and you be asking shorty, are you ready to go? That's how I be in the spot.

[Benny the Butcher]

You gotta play with the hoes. Like, man, like your word, the hoes.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Drake create a whole, like, lane for, like, when he put a song out. 40 make a song like that. We like four of them.

[Rory]

Yeah, five of them.

[Guest / Interviewer]

You know what I'm saying? So now Drake got seven songs.

[Benny the Butcher]

We missed that. We missed that.

[Fuego Bass]

21 songs.

[Benny the Butcher]

Like, you missed that up.

[Fuego Bass]

The summer club is lit.

[Benny the Butcher]

I'm saying, doing.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Doing that, bro.

[Benny the Butcher]

Even. Even if you don't like the record, you like the. You like the vibes at that record, you like the vibes at that record.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Other make songs like this too. You know what I'm saying? Like, we missed that, bro. Like, I ain't gonna lie. I'll be outside.

[Benny the Butcher]

Don't be wanting to say that.

[Rory]

Yeah, I'm saying. But I mean, certain people are starting to say it now where they obviously are like, yo, you could fill the gap. Like, you know, like something is missing. The energy is different. But I look at it a lot of different ways. I think it gave room for a lot of other dudes to get their shit off. Whether or not you could fill that gap is a whole nother conversation. I think it's very hard.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Shit ain't get off though, right?

[Rory]

No, that's what I'm saying. So I think it's very hard to fill that gap of Drake. Obviously. He's the most streamed rapper every year, the last 11 years. You're not gonna fill that void. But I think that it gave. It did a lot of things. I think one, I think it proved Drake's worth more than we already all knew. But I also think that it gave opportunity for other guys to kind of get they shit off and to try to, you know, have a moment.

[Benny the Butcher]

Because, you know, a lot of these n, A lot of these n is, you know, we niggas like us, we doing shit whenever, you know what I'm saying? A lot of these niggas, they gotta have, you know what I'm saying? They gotta make sure everything is moving out they way so they can do what they do. You know what I'm saying? You know? Cause they situation is based on the numbers. And I get it. They playing that game. But that's why I love the shit that we do. We can do shit whenever, whenever how we want, tour overseas and shit like that. And don't play the politics of this rap shit.

[Rory]

It's a different thing, you know what I'm saying?

[Benny the Butcher]

Cause that's the biggest thing I don't like about this shit is the weird politics. They try to make it seem like it's business, but it ain't.

[Rory]

It's not.

[Benny the Butcher]

It's politics.

[Rory]

It's politics. It's a lot of personal shit. It's a lot of things built on relationships.

[Benny the Butcher]

Should have scared you, should have. Should have run you away from the business, you know what I'm saying? So. So back when I be seeing like west or Conway, they don't be wanting to do this. I'm saying got valid reasons why they want to do for sure. Especially when is making money right. In other ways.

[Rory]

Right.

[Benny the Butcher]

Right now.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

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[Fuego Bass]

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[Rory]

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[Rory]

Now. Bas what's, what's, what's one of the things you learned about being an artist and putting out music that surprised you the most?

[Fuego Bass]

The money.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

Valid answer. It's a great answer.

[Sponsor Voice / Announcer]

Money.

[Fuego Bass]

I started getting money like my phone was booming.

[Guest / Interviewer]

That's what I want.

[Fuego Bass]

I used to get that. I'd be feeling like I stole that sometimes, bro. Facts. I'm like, yo, I felt like that

[Guest / Interviewer]

with a YouTube check one time them sent me some.

[Fuego Bass]

I was like, oh, yo, bro, I man talking.

[Rory]

Yeah, man.

[Fuego Bass]

I got this spot in Atlanta, like a nice little spot about for me. Like, you feel I'm saying you could pay for that. Yeah. Like, I'm sitting in there and these people had sent me somebody and I start looking around this. I'm thinking about myself, me, my car, homie. I'm telling you, I start looking around and I'm like, yo, like, for real, like, what the. Like, we ain't do nothing to nobody to get this, bro. Like, like, I ain't That's a real thought.

[Rory]

We a do nothing.

[Fuego Bass]

I ain't do nothing to nobody, bro. Like. Like. Like, they can't come take this. Like, I could take telling people my name and, like, I love that you

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

that you put harm next to profit.

[Rory]

Yo, we ain't do nothing to nobody for this.

[Fuego Bass]

That's a funny feeling sometimes. Like, like, one thing I had learned, like, like. Like. Like Butch say that he probably don't know I'm paying attention to, but I take some of that and keep it forever. Like, you feel what I'm saying?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Fuego Bass]

I heard him say sometimes it's like, bro, you might get big money, and it's not always fast. Like, it'll slow up. Like, I remember, like, I made some money one weekend. I'm like, what the, man, I. That money up so fast. I thought, like, wow, I'm lit now. You know what I'm saying? What, Man, I'm back to square one down there, man. I'm out there there do some, man. I'm like, what the just happened? But then I learned, like, so when I get decent amounts of money, I try to know what I want to do with the money outside of, like, just living, like, as far as investments and different.

[Rory]

Like, another play.

[Fuego Bass]

Yeah, yeah. Like, you know what I mean? So it was like, I got other going on, like, outside the rap.

[Rory]

I think that you have the perfect person, you know, obviously, to guide you through this in Benny being from, you know, a city that, quote, unquote, got overlooked and, you know, left out of conversations, obviously, with Benny and Wes and Con were able to do. Coming from Buff, you know, I think being next to him and letting him kind of like you said, say certain things to you, and you just hold on to that, it means it resonates a little differently, man.

[Fuego Bass]

I remember motherfucking one of them tours. It might have been like, the first one. And I had came to a show. I think that shit was in Amityville or some shit like that.

[Guest / Interviewer]

The Long island selling.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Fuego Bass]

And this city boy was at the merch table. I think he had, like, 50 hoodies. I counted them. And that night, my phone was going crazy.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Fuego Bass]

And then I'm like, man, that made more money selling hoodies, though. Yeah, facts, that. So everything. I got the counting this.

[Rory]

I'm like.

[Fuego Bass]

I'm like. I'm like. So I'm telling the homies. I'm like, yo, man, like, start looking at that over there, man. 50, 100 hoodies.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

That's why I said Griselda started this Whole.

[Fuego Bass]

When you say that. When you say that that blueprint changed my life financially. Because I'm not doing nothing that I haven't seen them do. Like, if it wasn't for, like, like, me getting an opportunity to watch them do, I wouldn't know what to do with this. I don't do nothing but what I see them do. And I just try not to bother them and do it on my own, like, you feel me? Of course I'm gonna get advice or some like that. But it's like, man. All right, man, them sell shirts, man. Yo, y' all figure out how to make some shirt, go get a printer. Like, you feel what I'm saying? City boy got one like anything I see them got.

[Rory]

I want one real story.

[Fuego Bass]

You feel what I'm saying?

[Rory]

Real story. Before we move anywhere further. And I was listening to the Ashes in the Safe joint, right? And the song. I don't know the name of the song, but Fuego says some now. I turned the album on, Rory. No, I do. I clean the crib. That's when I listen to music. It's kind of like background. I don't like to just sit and really dissect. I want to just hear it. Yeah, and I'm gonna catch something.

[Benny the Butcher]

Something.

[Rory]

I'm spraying the counter, Rory. Cleaning. I just finished the dishes on my domesticated this. Fuego said when I learned how to cut dope, I was a virgin. Still, I had to cut that off. I can't clean the house.

[Guest / Interviewer]

My son was bagging up packs.

[Fuego Bass]

I ain't never. Yo, I can't say. I can't say.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Along with the Taj Mahal tops. I was bagging those up. I never got no.

[Benny the Butcher]

I stole those to get 100%. That's where it come from. After that. You talking about show back up with them new kicks.

[Rory]

I mean, but I'm like, I'm here. I am cleaning.

[Fuego Bass]

I knew how to cut dope before I got some kisses. That's a fact.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Yo, let me ask you this. Like, what's your advice for the. That rap? Like, y', all, though, like, you know what I'm saying? Like. Cause it's that rap like that. But they, like. They feel like, oh, yo, I gotta do this kind of rap or this kind of rap.

[Fuego Bass]

Like, but they know it's not for y'. All. Like. Like, if you kind. If you. If they could compromise you, then this shit ain't for you. Like, we don't compromise. Like, we knowing what we want with this shit. I don't wanna rap like Them niggas.

[Benny the Butcher]

But I be telling you.

[Fuego Bass]

And that's what I listen to. You feel what I'm saying? But that's not like what I be compelled to make like. You feel what I'm saying? I just go in there and talk. And it's for niggas that understand it. Like. Like he said, if you don't, then don't listen to it like. So it's like. Like you said, like, I don't wanna be no older, trying to rap like these little niggas and shit like that you gotta do. Got like the same problems.

[Benny the Butcher]

This is what it is though, zit. This is what I tell niggas, though. Cause it's just like the industry on a micro scale, you know what I'm saying? You got the Bennys, the Wes's, the Specials, the ot, the Reals, the basses, I'm saying, the producers. That's all in this certain lane that we do, know what I'm saying? So you gotta get with those niggas, you know what I'm saying? Just like if you was trying to get a club record, you would go get Cardi B, you know what I'm saying? If you trying to make your movement in this lane, who you gotta go get, you know what I'm saying?

[Guest / Interviewer]

Pass in with the pat, with the

[Benny the Butcher]

patch, you know what I'm saying? And that's gonna ultimately build into something. And I see a lot of people, I see there's other artists who doing that, you know what I'm saying? Who have no affiliation with Griselda, you know what I'm saying? They just. They might got a feature with me, they might got a feature with him, they might got a feature with Conway. They just patching in with the patch, you know what I'm saying? I be seeing them niggas at my shows. I'm like, oh, you performing tonight? I'm like, hell yeah. You know what I'm saying? He's patched in with the patch, you know what I'm saying? Niggas there before me, you know what I'm saying? So that's what they gotta do, you know what I mean? It's like the industry on the micro square. We are working with the same producers, we are working with the same distribut, you know what I'm saying? These distributors got a lot of us on these, I'm saying, doing business with a lot of us, you know what I'm saying? So just got a patch in and knowing who the players are, that's. That's the most important part of this is knowing who the players are, knowing who to patch in with. You got to be around to learn that, you know what I'm saying? I was doing. I tell the story all the time. I used to be seeing. I used to be seeing niggas who was part of the pageant doing shows. I pop up at they show, act like I was there randomly, you know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

For Wreck.

[Benny the Butcher]

Just for Wreck. Oh, damn, Benny, what you doing here? I mean, it was around. I probably drove four hours ago to this.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Lying like a motherfucker.

[Benny the Butcher]

I'm. I'm get to pick with the or I'm get to open up, you know what I'm saying? And that meant something, you know what I'm saying at those times, you know what I'm saying? So I just got to patch in with this, you know what I'm saying? You know, people eyes don't be on the prize. They be trying to. They be trying to. They be trying to fill Drake shoes, right? You know what I'm saying? They be too busy doing that missing terribly.

[Rory]

Right?

[Benny the Butcher]

You know what I'm saying?

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

Benny, I want to ask you, just because I've watched you go from being independent to putting out the Griselda album on Shady, to being with ROC Nation, now running your own label, how do you feel about the stove situation in Granite? None of us really know exactly what's going on with that. But what is your view with stove God and Baby Grange and everything that's going on? Because you've been through every situation, I feel like. And now being a label on owner, you know how this move.

[Benny the Butcher]

Yeah, man.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

What do you feel about the stove thing, man?

[Benny the Butcher]

It's unfortunate, you know what I'm saying about that? You know what I'm saying? Ain't like I read the contract or nothing. Like I know like what's going on like that.

[Rory]

No, but just what he said about it, that they wanted 50k. He showed up with the 50k cash and then he was like, Nah, we want 250. That's what he said out here that that happened.

[Benny the Butcher]

I don't think you know what I'm saying. And like I said, I'm on the outside looking in. Who the fuck am I? Yeah, but this is what I think. This is my personal opinion. This is shit I would tell my if the cameras was off. I think the person who's controlling that situation is. It loves that more than they would love the money, you know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

Loves controlling the situation.

[Benny the Butcher]

Yeah, I think that's more important than the money to that person.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

Benny, I said the exact same thing you just said off mic to somebody else yesterday. I think they love this more than trying to get money.

[Fuego Bass]

Yeah.

[Benny the Butcher]

Sell my interest and y' all not have to call me to deal with. You know, he on fire right now.

[Rory]

Right.

[Benny the Butcher]

This nigga is one of the hottest niggas in the streets right now. Y' all gotta call me, call me. I don't want that. The money.

[Rory]

Right.

[Benny the Butcher]

I want the phone calls.

[Rory]

Right.

[Benny the Butcher]

I'm saying that's why when he said

[Rory]

that, he had the.

[Benny the Butcher]

That's weird as.

[Fuego Bass]

And now.

[Rory]

Yeah, but that's the games that go on in this industry.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

Everything I'm talking about now is going to me over because I got a stove verse on my album that.

[Fuego Bass]

Yeah.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

But I'm always going to keep it a buck. I feel the exact same way Benny does. I think you just doing this for fun at this. Like, you like what's going on, rather

[Guest / Interviewer]

than we could be settling and it could be done.

[Benny the Butcher]

Yep. That's what the niggas like being in control of this shit. That's weird. You know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

That's weird and unfortunate.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

And granted, I could also be objective, too. Like, allegedly, whatever stove had done with even and this and that, but you could clear that up. Like, let's just add the money to it and call it a day, and we'll be fine. Yeah, I see why he would feel away in the beginning, but what he doing now is. It's unnecessary. Like, you holding back such a great artist for no fucking reason.

[Benny the Butcher]

And you know these people, you know what I'm saying? From my knowledge of who that person is.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

Yeah, we have no idea who we're talking about.

[Benny the Butcher]

Been in this business for a long time, you know what I'm saying? You know, how do you. You know how these people play when they used to playing by the old rules. Yeah, there's new rules to this if people haven't seen what's going on, you know what I'm saying? There's new rules to this, and you just. You just got to make sure. Man, I. I'm. I'm so thankful that I got into this with my family, you know what I'm saying? And I wasn't under none of those weird contracts or no shit like that, or it wasn't on the table to me to move how I move. Cause I move like that with myself, and I move like that with my artists, you know what I'm saying? So I'm happy. I don't play those tactics and no shit like that or I haven't been a victim of those tactics. You know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

Before we let y' all go real quick, fuego, who are some of the guys you looking forward to getting on the track with? With that, you probably haven't had a chance, an opportunity to work with yet. And some of the producers? Nobody.

[Fuego Bass]

Yeah, I don't care about that.

[Guest / Interviewer]

God damn.

[Podcast Producer / Announcer]

What about producers?

[Rory]

That nigga basically producers.

[Fuego Bass]

Like Havoc. I want to do more. I did the joint with Havoc. I would like to do more Havoc and, like, maybe the RZA one day.

[Benny the Butcher]

That'll be dope. That'll be dope.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Him out of retirement.

[Benny the Butcher]

That'd be dope.

[Fuego Bass]

Yeah, like, dudes like that, like. Like that. Like, the. With the real grimy. I grew up on like, Like, Bucket List. Like, I would love to do that.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah.

[Fuego Bass]

But, like, the rappers, like, the rappers don't like why I don't got no verses for no rappers. I don't see. I don't know. That's what I'm trying to say. I don't see me, like, with the. With the rappers too much. Yeah, so. So they give me some very. I don't want to work with them. It's like they don't want to work with me. I bump into them, they all tell me I'm nice.

[Rory]

This right?

[Fuego Bass]

But nobody sent them.

[Guest / Interviewer]

You ain't send no verse

[Fuego Bass]

or no email. I send it to you.

[Rory]

Right?

[Fuego Bass]

Right. Like, I'm ready at all times. You feel what I'm saying? So I'm not like, I'm good. Like I said, my boss, my favorite rapper, none of y' all could rap better than Butch. I don't give a I Get Butchering song. I'll be cool with that. If I need a feature, I'm like, I got Benny the Butcher. Like, you feel this.

[Benny the Butcher]

This about to score some. I'm saying, he about to score.

[Fuego Bass]

In a minute, they gonna be mad. They ain't send me no.

[Rory]

Yeah, in a minute.

[Fuego Bass]

When I could grandstand, I'm gonna pop

[Benny the Butcher]

mine on when this album drop.

[Fuego Bass]

And I ain't even frying Harlem tell you, like, Harlem layer who you want going for a feature. I said, man, get butch on there. Yeah, I don't care.

[Rory]

Yeah, I don't care. When is the cuz I. Obviously. I see what y' all doing. Is it the. The Fuego album is. Is you getting up for that?

[Benny the Butcher]

Hell, yeah.

[Rory]

That's this year. We getting that.

[Benny the Butcher]

Hell, yeah. Soon, soon.

[Guest / Interviewer]

I need a Fuego and Flames.Malik Project H verse base. Flame said he want me to host that I do that. I don't give a fuck. I need that though. Age verse base

[Fuego Bass]

already that almost finished. Like that ain't about nothing. I work like, like I work with everybody like on a. Like like that. As far as like that. So let me not say that like that. Cause it's like I'm like, I got a rap family. Like you feel what I'm saying? Like I'm bsf. Like, like if anything, I'm a rap with the homies before I rap with these.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Nah, I ain't gonna lie. Like you with everybody.

[Fuego Bass]

El Camino. That's what I'm saying. I gotta work with everybody. Like eventually when I got the time. Like I want to do a project like with everybody. Especially like how well my going is. Like that's my duty. Like you feel what I'm saying? Like, like I want to work more with bsf. Like you feel what I'm saying? Do more like without even I like, like, like co signing it. You feel I'm saying like not like not co signing it, but like he don't got to tell me that. You feel?

[Guest / Interviewer]

I'm saying like three months base. Let's go. I host that and all that.

[Fuego Bass]

No, yeah, I'm with that.

[Guest / Interviewer]

That's, that's that for the streets, right?

[Fuego Bass]

We need to have the Narcan before that car come out.

[Benny the Butcher]

Fire.

[Fuego Bass]

Yeah, that gonna cause a lot of ODs and like that. Yeah, facts.

[Guest / Interviewer]

That's fire.

[Fuego Bass]

That's speed. That's a speedball. That's a mean one. They gotta have the people ready to pick these folks up off the curb.

[Rory]

Yo, listen, man. Benny, I. I love the fact,

[Fuego Bass]

I

[Rory]

love the fact that you snatch, fuego and hell yeah, man.

[Fuego Bass]

Thanks to Benny the Butcher. You heard? I watched it like, man, I'm help a bro home. A real good. You heard?

[Rory]

Yeah, he helped a lot. Just forgot about his bro though, since he started.

[Benny the Butcher]

I'm sitting back watching. I'm sitting back watching, man.

[Rory]

You know I got on Netflix. I gotta talk my only because I know he gonna talk his to me. So I gotta get my off first, that's all. But Benny, I appreciate you, my brother. It's always good seeing you. I don't want to talk to you a three year gap on camera again, man. Let's link, let's connect, man. I know you my dog in and out of New York, but listen, we definitely got connect.

[Benny the Butcher]

Rory, man.

[Rory]

Yeah, man.

[Benny the Butcher]

Good come Holla at y' all boys, man. Bring it back.

[Rory]

I love everything you're doing, man. I'm a fan. Listen, I. Listen, I just can't clean the crib listening to Fuego. Man, that. That you said, it just put me in a whole different mind. I was like, nah, man, I got lavender sometimes.

[Benny the Butcher]

You can't play that around the kids.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I'm like. I'm like, yo, fuego. We gotta. We gotta do this another time. I got the counter. I got Windex.

[Fuego Bass]

I'm like, it ain't for the kids.

[Rory]

Yeah, no, no, no. That's definitely. That's definitely not for the kids. But I'm happy for everything y' all got going on, man. Benny, thank you for everything that you do. Love, love, love to see you fuego. Salute. Keep doing your thing. Keep your foot on the gas.

[Fuego Bass]

Appreciate y' all for having me, you know?

[Rory]

Yeah, man.

[Fuego Bass]

My boy right there. I'm proud of you, Zip.

[Rory]

Yeah, man.

[Benny the Butcher]

Yeah, proud of you too, Zip. See you grinding doing this, baby. It look good on you.

[Fuego Bass]

Chill, niggas.

[Rory]

For the win.

[Benny the Butcher]

Look what the culture gave us.

[Guest / Interviewer]

For the win.

[Benny the Butcher]

Look what the culture gave us, man. You know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

It's my man. Fly bum ass nigga right here. Yo, Bass, when you got the solo project coming out, Come back. You gotta come back.

[Fuego Bass]

Yeah, hell yeah, I'm coming.

[Rory]

When the solo joint come out, you gotta come back. Come kick it.

[Fuego Bass]

Yeah, I'm invited.

[Rory]

You know that's a fact. I'm. That. He's just ginger. That's Netflix, Zip. We got bsf, the real Sopranos, Fuego Bass, Benny the Butcher.

[Guest / Interviewer]

Let's get to that.

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[Benny the Butcher]

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[Guest / Interviewer]

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[Fuego Bass]

Oh, no.

[Guest / Interviewer]

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[Benny the Butcher]

What do you mean?

[Fuego Bass]

Hmm.

[Guest / Interviewer]

People hate the sound of chewing. Maybe they won't like the crunch.

[Benny the Butcher]

Maybe we're saved. Wait a minute.

[Guest / Interviewer]

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[Benny the Butcher]

Huh?

[Guest / Interviewer]

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[Benny the Butcher]

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[Guest / Interviewer]

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[Benny the Butcher]

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