Episode 497 | The Jig Is Up

Summary

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New Rory & MAL

Episode 497 | The Jig Is Up
Release Date: May 22, 2026
Host(s): Rory, Mal, Damaris

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Episode Overview

This episode of New Rory & MAL is packed with music industry drama, a heated and insightful discussion about the state and standards of major music award shows (particularly the BET Awards), rap industry politics, predictions, competitiveness, and a dose of New York sports fandom. Notable topics include the controversy between JID and J. Cole, BET nominations snubs, Lupe Fiasco’s thoughts on piracy, and the wild possibilities of AI-powered relationships. The crew also explores Summer Jam’s new festival format and hilariously riffs on Knicks playoff dreams and outrageous Max B claims.

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Table of Contents

• Podcasting Realities & Auction Stories (03:03-06:52)
• Sick Season Banter & Announcements (06:55-08:54)
• BET Awards, Rap Politics & JID vs. J. Cole (10:01-33:03)
• Lupe, Leaks & Artist Legacies (37:38-43:45)
• BET Awards Deep Dive: Who Got Snubbed? (44:04-57:47)
• Jay-Z, Drake, & Lyrical 'Shots' (60:59-67:11)
• Summer Jam NYC, Max B’s Wild Claims, and Knicks Fandom (72:06-79:04)
• AI Lovers & Wild Tech Voicemail (84:04-91:47)
• Notable Quotes

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Podcasting Realities & Auction Stories

[03:03 - 06:52]

• Rory and Mal reflect, with dry humor, on how being in the podcast spotlight isn’t as easy as people think—comments and feedback can get intense.
  • Mall: "Everybody think they could just sit in these seats... let's see if you can do it then." (03:05)
• They kick off with fun banter about reading negative comments, and the idea that anyone who publicly opines should be prepared to receive feedback in return.
• Rory shares an experience at a high-profile auction/dinner for the Gordon Parks Foundation:
  • Jokes about being way out of his tax bracket, watching six-figure purchases of art while hoping to leave with some chicken.
  • "I already knew I was poor, but sometimes it's a little humbling to get that reminder. Like, no, you're really poor." (04:14)
  • Impressions of billionaire-level wealth: "People that own the color blue were there."
  • Joey Bada$$ and Chance the Rapper both made major purchases.
• The event honored Chance, and John Legend performed live.
• Mall’s take: “Was it for charity?” Rory: “Yes. …Handing me a paddle was a waste of wood and paper.”

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Sick Season Banter & Announcements

[06:55 - 08:54]

• Damaris (jokingly) blames Mall for her catching a cold; Mall jokingly tosses the blame to another absent team member.
• Brief friendly accusations about Toronto germs and studio illnesses.
• Big news: New Rory & MAL is now internationally available on Netflix.
• Merch and Patreon tiers get plugs, with the crew riffing about how many different price points they could hypothetically create.
• Lighthearted talk about missed opportunities for guest list spots at an upcoming Poor Minds live show.

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BET Awards, Rap Politics & JID vs. J. Cole

[10:01 - 33:03]

The JID/J. Cole Situation

• Rory humbly admits Mall was right about tension between JID and J. Cole after analyzing JID’s (since deleted) tweets.
  • “I think JID is livid. …when I do things out of my character, it’s usually because I’m pissed off.” (12:01)
• Mall breaks down the oddity: JID (signed to J. Cole), despite Grammy accolades, isn’t featured on recent Dreamville or Cole projects.
  • Mall: “There’s a lot of rapping happening. And the guy that signed to you... isn’t on not one of these last 30-something songs?” (13:13)
• They discuss how, unlike Kendrick supporting Baby Keem, Cole’s support of JID seems absent.
  • Mall: “Cole has 75 artists on Dreamville—and only one is nominated for Best Rap Album.” (24:00)
• Damaris and Rory note that, even if JID had a Cole feature, he likely still would have been snubbed at the BETs.
• The group agrees: it’s tough to be an artist signed to another active major superstar; conflicts and lack of attention are inevitable.

BET Awards: Fair or Lazy?

• JID’s complaint that the BET Awards recycle the same nominees resonates:
  • JID tweet: “5 Grammy nominations, 0 BET nominations… they remix the same people every year at the BET Awards.” (13:59)
• Rory shares insider knowledge: award show processes are sometimes “lazy” with industry folks clicking the most familiar names rather than genuinely considering all nominees.
  • “There’s 85 names… it’s going to take you four hours to properly do it!” (15:03)
• Heated debates arise:
  • Who is left out (JID, Wale) versus included (Baby Keem, T.I., A$AP Rocky)?
  • Mall: “TI can sit down. TI can come sit right here.” (20:25)
  • Damaris notes the odd eligibility window allows for artists who were only relevant for a month to enter big categories.
• Rory: “If I’m JID, I would be livid. …Don’t think I take this as just some JV shit. This is important to me.” (21:16)

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Lupe, Leaks & Artist Legacies

[37:38 - 43:45]

• Lupe Fiasco forgets “Kick Push 2” lyrics at a show and blames fans for leaking his music early on LimeWire.
  • "It's y'all fault. Y'all went and downloaded all this music on LimeWire." (38:34)
• The group reflects on how the pre-Streaming generation of artists (“03-’07”) dealt with the worst piracy hits.
• Discussion about how now, “buying the project on iTunes” is seen as direct support, while streaming barely counts.
  • Rory: “I bought your album… it counts as 1,500 streams. So thank you.” (43:23)
• Mall asserts that, despite everything, Lupe can still out-rap 99% of MCs: “Don’t get it twisted.”

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BET Awards Deep Dive: Who Got Snubbed?

[44:04 - 57:47]

• Freewheeling run-through of major BET nominations for:
  • Album of the Year
  • Best Male/Female Hip-Hop Artist
  • Best Male/Female R&B/Pop Artist

Major Themes

• Wale's “Everything Is A Lot” gets nominated for Album of the Year—but not Best Male Hip-Hop Artist. Group finds this wild.
• Discuss the “cheat code” of Deluxe albums inflating eligibility and sales (ex: SZA's “SOS”).
• The crew votes on their picks in several categories:
  • R&B/Pop: Leon Thomas, Kehlani, Thames, Duran Bernard highlighted.
  • Mall: “It's almost unfair whenever Chris is there, man… Chris Brown is probably the best male R&B pop artist every year, even if he's just touring.” (50:07)
  • Damaris: "Kehlani had one hell of a year. I think they're gonna give it to her. But Olivia Dean would be a strong contender. I don't like them combining R&B and pop. I think that's extremely lazy." (55:01)
• Frustration at the abolition of “Song of the Year.”

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Jay-Z, Drake, & Lyrical 'Shots'

[60:59 - 67:11]

Is Jay-Z Responding to Drake?

• Debate over whether Jay-Z will respond to Drake’s supposed “lyrical elbows.”
  • Rory: "He definitely addressed Hov and gave him a few little elbows, in my opinion." (62:11)
  • Damaris: “That line—'I’ll take 500k, not the dinner. I never could learn from none of y’all'—is an elbow.” (63:49)
  • Mall: “It's not a shot if Jay Z himself said to take the 500k!” (64:09)
• Crew agrees: some bars are elbows (subtle shots), not full-on disses.
• Consensus: Jay may deliver acapella or freestyle responses at a live event, but a real diss track or beef is highly unlikely.
  • Mall: “I would be very surprised if Jay disses Drake. …A rebuttal, a little response, that's rap. But a diss? No.” (66:47)

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Summer Jam NYC, Max B’s Wild Claims, and Knicks Fandom

[72:06 - 79:04]

• The new Hot 97 Summer Jam format perplexes but impresses the crew: staggered performances, DJ breaks, less production overhead.
  • Damaris: “They cutting them corners, ain’t they?” (73:09)
• Speculation on whose set will be biggest—DaBaby, French Montana, Ice Spice, and especially Fetty Wap’s Newark homecoming.
• Max B claims that only Biggie, Jay-Z, and Nas are above him in New York rap; says Kane & Rakim are “irrelevant.”
  • Damaris: "Y’all so disrespectful to women. …Nicki Minaj is way bigger.” (76:46)
• Mall: “That’s where I’m at—yo, shout out Max, man. …If I beat a body, I'd feel like I’m better than everybody, too.” (77:38)
• Knicks Playoff Fever:
  • Rory: “If we win tonight, it’s a sweep. You can quote me on that one.” (78:35)
  • Damaris’ wild dream about playing one-on-one with Knicks center Mitchell Robinson.

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AI Lovers & Wild Tech Voicemail

[84:04 - 91:47]

• Listener asks about people using AI—via chatbots trained on their exes’ old messages—as romantic “replacements.”
• Rory & Mall are disturbed:
  • Mall: "Why would I want to argue with AI?" (85:01)
• Damaris demonstrates she can get ChatGPT to mimic her exes and even herself ("argue like Damaris").
  • Damaris: “Some people have ChatGPT craft their responses in arguments. I always thought that was weird.” (85:45)
  • They test what happens if you ask ChatGPT to argue “like Mall:” it spits out dismissive wisdom and surface-level logic riddles.
• Group is especially uneasy about the logical next step: AI chatbots of deceased loved ones.
  • Rory: “This is going to ruin grief. …That will cause a lot of mental problems.” (89:30)

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Notable Quotes

On the JID/Cole Rift:

“I have nothing to do but humble myself and say, Mall, holy—keep them. You were right… I think JID is livid. Not just irritated. Like, I think he’s pissed.”
— Rory (12:01)

On Award Show Politics:

“Chris Brown's probably the best male R&B pop artist every year, even if he’s not putting out an album… you can't give it to Michael Jordan every year, even though he probably is the best player.”
— Mall (50:07)

On Hip-Hop Generational Impact:

“Lupe’s generation got this worse than anyone… you were 15, you would have downloaded your shit too.”
— Rory (41:56)

On AI Partner Tech:

“Why would I want to argue with AI?”
— Mall (85:01)

On Max B’s Boldness:

“If I beat a body, I'd feel like I’m better than everybody, too!”
— Rory (77:38)

On Knicks Fandom:

“If we win tonight, it’s a sweep. You can quote me on that one.”
— Rory (78:35)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Podcasting & Auction Life: 03:03-06:52
• BET Awards/JID vs. Cole: 10:01-33:03
• Award Show Voting/Industry Bias: 13:59, 15:03, 26:13
• Lupe Fiasco & Piracy Wars: 37:38-43:45
• Award Nominations - R&B/Rap: 44:04-57:47
• Jay-Z/Drake Lyrical Elbows: 60:59-67:11
• Summer Jam, Max B, and Knicks: 72:06-79:04
• AI “Ex” Voicemail/Tech Dangers: 84:04-91:47

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Overall Tone & Style

• Conversational, sharp, witty, and unabashedly opinionated.
• Equal parts industry analysis, pop culture banter, and comedic riffing.
• A balance of playful sarcasm, critical insights, and “real talk”—typical of the show’s vibe.

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Episode Value for Listeners

This episode delivers a front-row seat to real-life music industry politics and takes you deep into the way artists, awards, and fans interact in 2026’s landscape. If you want candid, smart, and funny rap talk—with side orders of wild AI speculation and New York sports heartbreak—this episode is a must-listen.

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Transcript

[Damaris]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

What's up, y'?

[Mall]

All?

[Rory]

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[Reese Witherspoon]

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[Rory]

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[Damaris]

No warrior now.

[Rory]

Conductor.

[Mall]

People. People around the world are supposed to hear us right now, and Peach forgot to listen.

[Rory]

Peach can't handle that space bar pressure. It's a lot.

[Mall]

It's a lot to deal with. Like people think. Everybody think they could just sit in these seats and turn the cameras on and you know, you know what I'm saying? When comments get to you and you can't Sleep at night.

[Rory]

All I need is one mic, you

[Mall]

know what I'm saying? You start reading them comments and them thoughts in your head, you know what I'm saying? Like, let's see if you can do it then. Let's see when the press, if you built for it, then.

[Rory]

Rory, I hear you.

[Mall]

You know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

Two way street. If you want to comment, be commented on.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's a fact. Once you put your thoughts out there, that's it. They out there.

[Rory]

I love speaking in hyperbole. What we're saying, we're not saying anything at all, actually.

[Mall]

That's what podcasting has become.

[Rory]

That's supposed to sound profound, but, like, when you really dissect it and you didn't say anything, say anything. Well, how are you feeling?

[Mall]

I'm feeling great. I'm feeling good. I'm looking great. I'm looking good.

[Rory]

End of the week, coming into the weekend.

[Mall]

Yes, sir.

[Rory]

How was your week? Was it a positive week?

[Mall]

Yeah, a little under the weather, but, you know, they can't keep me down for too long. Back bounce right back. Like, good crack. You know how that go?

[Rory]

I don't. Well, I mean, but I would assume that if you had a good product, you would.

[Mall]

It comes right. It comes right.

[Rory]

You would crawl right back.

[Mall]

Right back.

[Rory]

I went to, like, my first real auction this week.

[Mall]

Really?

[Rory]

Went to the Gordon Parks foundation dinner and auction.

[Mall]

Legendary Gordon Park.

[Rory]

Absolutely. Um, and I already knew I was poor, but, like, sometimes it's a little humbling to get that reminder. Like, no, you're really poor.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, you shouldn't be sitting here. Yeah. Like, when you're thinking about getting the chicken to go and people are buying. $100,000 photography. This isn't the place for you. This seat could have went to somebody else.

[Mall]

Why are you here?

[Rory]

Mall. They gave me a paddle. I said, what am I going to do with this?

[Mall]

You didn't raise it? No time.

[Rory]

Me and Joey Badass started joking around. We'd raise it first because we knew they'd start at 50,000, but that shit was going to 200. So, like, just to make it look like we were participating, even though Joey did end up buying one and so did Chance.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

But I was just there just to, you know, participate.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, Just raise. Just raise. Just raise the stakes. Like, all right, let me up the number real quick on somebody. But then if somebody. Nobody counted you and you stop quitting.

[Rory]

Yo. And shout out to our brother Chance every time he bid on one that was specific to Chicago. That I know he really wanted. But that price got like, dude, like, 1% could afford that. Yeah. And every time he'd raise his paddle, I could just see his face, like, why am I doing this? Yeah. But he ended up getting a really nice one. I won't say the price, but it was six figures.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

But no, it was a fun night. It just, you know.

[Mall]

Was it for charity?

[Rory]

Yes. Okay. And to keep the Gordon Parks foundation going and keep us. His artwork moving. Was that Cipriani?

[Mall]

No, I go.

[Rory]

We went to Mira after you were at Mirror.

[Damaris]

Oh, you was on a four run.

[Rory]

I mean, first of all, Joey Badass and Chance are far richer than me, so all the jokes about being poor. I'm not saying about them. I'm just saying I was. We were at the kids table compared to the billionaires that were in that building. Yeah. Like, people that own the color blue were there. Yeah, it was. It was a very interesting night to say.

[Mall]

Fun night to see.

[Rory]

I felt like I was in succession.

[Mall]

Yeah. You can peek behind that wall. Just see what they be doing back there.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah. It's just Swizz and Alicia buying everything.

[Mall]

Yeah. Yeah. That's all it is.

[Rory]

But they honored Chance, which was cool. Chance to speech, man. Hank Williams presented, who was at our table as well. Was really co. Meet him. Very talented filmmaker. But John Legend was also awarded.

[Mall]

He was there. My guy.

[Rory]

He did a. He did a speech and sung at

[Mall]

the end of the speech, the birds. Don't you supposed to FaceTime me.

[Rory]

Which I was. They would have thrown me out so quick if I FaceTime you during that.

[Damaris]

What song did he sing?

[Rory]

The auction gonna start, yo. I was just. It was a really, really cool night, and it was very cool to see how they're preserving his artwork. And I'm just joking around. I was honored to be just invited to be in the room. And it was a cool experience. But handing me a paddle was a waste of wood and paper.

[Mall]

That's fire.

[Rory]

That could have went to somebody else.

[Mall]

That's cool. Baby D, how you feeling? You good?

[Damaris]

I'm feeling good. You gave me a little bit of a cough, though, like my sinus domestic. Cause it was you. You came in here fresh with them Toronto germs. And then literally the next day I woke up and I was like, Ryan

[Mall]

was sick in here too, and he's not here today.

[Rory]

But that's not because he's.

[Damaris]

He's not here.

[Mall]

He ain't here.

[Damaris]

And Ryan wasn't sick when he came in here. He wasn't no he was tired. He had worked all day.

[Mall]

He was sick. He was coughing and all kind of. He told me he was sick.

[Damaris]

Oh, well, you. It was from you. Ryan Germ's not strong enough.

[Mall]

He's. Do you know where he's from?

[Damaris]

Don't do it. Don't do it.

[Mall]

Don't do it.

[Damaris]

Don't do it.

[Rory]

Never mind. That was racist. My apologies. He took it there. You didn't. Yeah.

[Mall]

Other than that. Well, I mean, you didn't.

[Rory]

You're deflecting the way I did with COVID in. In Atlanta. Like, you did come here sick.

[Mall]

Yeah, I did.

[Rory]

So, yeah, it was probably so Tuesday.

[Damaris]

I woke up with a little bit. A little tickle. I was like, ah, what's this?

[Mall]

Yeah, but I'm not in here sneezing, coughing, and all of that, though. Like, I'm just congested.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

That's all. So it's. No, it's not. I don't think I'm airborne right now. But it's all right, though. But guess what, though. We are back sponsored by Boost Mobile.

[Rory]

That is a fact.

[Mall]

And we are now international on Netflix. Please, please, now, please stop DMing me asking me when you will be able to view us on Netflix across the oceans in the seven seas. Yes, you can now see us everywhere.

[Rory]

International seven seas.

[Mall]

Yeah. Cause you know, they be hitting all over the seven seas. But now you can see us internationally on Netflix.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mall]

So tune in to the gang, gang, gang, gang Merch is on sale now. And patreon.com forward slash, new Rory Mall. $5 for the month, right?

[Rory]

Yes. There's a $5 tier, a $10 here, and a $20. Okay, well, then, I mean, 20 gets the most.

[Mall]

And yes, 15, 30, 35, 45, 47.

[Rory]

They put. They added that to Netflix, by the way.

[Mall]

Yeah, I noticed it.

[Rory]

I have not seen all about the Benjamins in so long.

[Damaris]

Oh, that's so cool. I gotta watch that.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's back on Netflix. So you could watch this episode and then go right to go see Cube and Mike Epps clean up the streets of Miami. Anyone have weekend plans? Lex and Dre are in town. Poor Minds has a live show this weekend. I definitely want to check that out if I can be baby free. Just don't think that's the event to take a baby to.

[Mall]

That's definitely not the event.

[Rory]

But I do want to go. I know you want to go as well.

[Damaris]

Unless you want to use her as bait.

[Mall]

Not at a poor mind show. You don't want to use bait at a Poor Mind show.

[Damaris]

I'm just saying they're gonna be.

[Rory]

I would look like a responsible father.

[Mall]

No, you would look like an irresponsible father.

[Rory]

No, no. To them, though.

[Mall]

No, to. To the crowd. To the audience. You would look irresponsible bringing a baby to Poor Mind's live show. Yes.

[Rory]

No. Okay, okay.

[Mall]

You can find anybody to watch a kid.

[Rory]

Okay, cool. Maybe they'd feel bad.

[Mall]

Oh, they would feel bad for the child.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

For the baby having to be there. Yes. They were like, why is this little.

[Rory]

I'm not going to bring Amara to a Poor Mind show, but I do want to go. So hopefully when you guys are hearing this, me and Damaris will be at

[Mall]

the show if I.

[Rory]

Unless you have. Are you out of town?

[Damaris]

No, I'll be at the show.

[Rory]

Oh, he was already going and didn't tell me.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You know, that's crazy.

[Damaris]

I'm trying to get in there. Tickets be selling quick. You know how they get down so.

[Rory]

Well, they did just post that there's very few tickets left. I was just gonna buy one because I don't want to bother them.

[Damaris]

Well, shout out to Lex, Andrea. I'm proud.

[Mall]

Oh, that Alexandre.

[Rory]

I will see if I could be your plus one.

[Mall]

They ain't got you on the list?

[Rory]

I didn't ask. I'm sure they put me on there.

[Mall]

Rory, what's up? Shebang?

[Damaris]

Yeah. Yo, you okay, we're not gonna start this. You are not about to just start adding shebang at the end sentence.

[Mall]

What's up? Are you not on the list?

[Rory]

Imagine I text Lex. Yo, is it space on the list? Sorry, last minute. She just replied. Shebang, Shabang.

[Mall]

Are you not on the list for Lexa? Dre, man, I'm.

[Rory]

I mean, I'm sure if I asked,

[Mall]

but I. Oh, you didn't ask him at all. You haven't spoken?

[Rory]

No, no, no. I wanted to make sure I was baby free before. I. I didn't want to, like, waste the spot on the list. That's why I was thinking about just buying a ticket.

[Mall]

And where they. Where's the show at?

[Rory]

It's at the town hall, which. Which is a big venue, so congrats to them. That's really, really big. I. I was nervous to come in here today because I do hate to give mall flowers. I don't want them, even when they're dessert. But these are, like. You didn't even have inside information. You were just Master Domus and predicted this. And I. I have nothing to do but humble myself and say, mall holy Keep them. You were right, because I was here confidently arguing you down that there's no way that Jid is mad at J. Cole. They've had plenty of collabs together. The fall off was an experience about Cole's 20s and 30s, which Jid was really only around for some of. Made more sense as a concept album that Jid would not be on it. You said the mixtape. I said, hey, it was a rollout moment. His mixtape, his clue moment. I stand corrected. I think Jid is livid. So livid that those tweets for the time that I've known Jid, which has been for a little while, I wouldn't say we're best friends, are a bit out of his character. And when I do things out of my character, it's usually because I'm pissed off. And that's not really Jiz's character. So that's why I want to give you another dandelion and say, I think he's pissed. Like really mad. Not even just irritated. Like, I think he's. He's pissed.

[Mall]

I mean, you know, sometimes you just gotta just, you know, it's not that I want flowers.

[Rory]

Taking flowers for. For conflict is. Yeah, it's a little nasty.

[Mall]

Flowers. But I mean, it just. Just a little common sense sometimes.

[Rory]

Just look at it.

[Damaris]

That was common sense.

[Mall]

Yeah. Well, they're the best rappers in the industry. He signed to you. He's not currently Grammy nominated for rap album of the year. He wasn't on Mike Delete later. He wasn't on the birthday. What's the name of the birthday mixtape? He wasn't on that. He wasn't fall off. Just something just didn't feel right, that's all. Like, there's a lot of rapping happening. And the guy that signed to you who's nominated for best rap album isn't on. Not one of these last. Let's say 30 songs that he put out. 32 songs. Maybe it just was. It just felt like something was not on the up and up. Cause if you. If you have a good rapport, like, you know, you and your man is like, nah, we solid. And he's currently nominated for the biggest award per se in music in our genre.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Which is best rap album of the year. I think you would take some of those 30 something songs that you put out to kind of showcase them just a little bit. Let him get his off. He's currently nominated for a big award. And when that didn't happen, I just kind of started looking like. And then Cole's not on his album.

[Rory]

Well, again, which we. We chalked up to. He was probably busy working on fall off shit in the battle and everything that was busy. That was. Was going on. But. All right. So this started with a series of now deleted tweets. It didn't come out the gate.

[Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

Delete later of. Yeah, ironically, he's.

[Mall]

He's on the album now. See how fast.

[Rory]

If I delete this, maybe I'll get a verse.

[Mall]

Yeah, now he's on the album. See how fast he followed the hoop. Yeah, exactly.

[Rory]

BET had put out their nominations, which we will get to. And JID tweeted 5 Grammy nominations, 0 BET nominations, slash acknowledgement, nothing. They remix the same people every year at the BET Awards. Now, before we get to the cold part, do y' all feel like there's truth in what he's saying?

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Mall]

About what?

[Rory]

That the BET Awards tends to remix a lot of the same artists. Even if those artists aren't active, they still tend to be nominated for things over artists that are active that year. I can see that gripe.

[Mall]

I feel like Chris Brown wins that one award every year. What award is that?

[Damaris]

Probably male R and B artists.

[Mall]

Another one like people's People's Choice Award. It's not people choice. It's something. Something like that. I don't know. I feel like Chris Brown wins that every year.

[Rory]

I mean, I know the voting system there and, you know, it is people that have been nominated, label people, journalists, media that have, you know, access to vote for the nominations. And sometimes I don't think it's BET per se. I think it's the sheer laziness of the people that are able to vote, myself included. I'll look at that list sometimes and go, there's 85 names on the street in alphabetical order. I get five picks. It's going to take you four hours to get through everything to properly do it. And I've done it before. Yeah. But I do think there's probably music industry execs and journalists and other people that can vote that are just getting everyone in the building to vote for their person at the moment because they don't particularly care about that category and they're just clicking the name that's the biggest. And even if they're not in cycle, they'll do that.

[Mall]

It's starting to feel like a popularity thing.

[Rory]

I. I think the BET Awards are great. I think they put on a great award show every year. But I. I feel JIT on this as far as if I was an artist in the nominations. Sometimes it does get. Unless you have like a Leon Thomas year, that R and B category is going to tend to be the same.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, even with Kehlani will be not on a cycle year and still be nominated, which is great because she's Kehlani. But I could see another artist being like, this ain't the folded year.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Two years ago, I'm saying, like, no, I think I had a good year. I deserve to at least be nominated. And I. I feel Jit and I saw a few people saying a few artists that we've had on here before say that they've seen a trend in this specific type of artist that the BET Awards focuses on and the type of content that they make and that Jid doesn't fall in line with that.

[Mall]

Yeah, but he put out a great album.

[Rory]

No, he should be nominated. There's no.

[Mall]

He was nominated for Best Rap Album. You would think he would be nominated for a BET Award.

[Damaris]

Yeah, they could have stole him right off. Oh, I forgot his voting. So you can't do that. So nevermind.

[Mall]

I mean, the Grammys is voting. Allegedly.

[Rory]

No, but what I'm saying is they

[Damaris]

stole the Grammy picks, like, just to make it easier for yourself. But they vote, so.

[Rory]

Yeah. And I think from here they'll have like the actual board of. But yeah, to get to the nomination point. It's the same link. You get the link too.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

No, you part of the problem.

[Mall]

No, I voted for jit. I voted for.

[Rory]

I did too. Yeah. Took me two days to get through everything. What JID was. Jid was on there for me a couple times. But.

[Mall]

Wait, Baby Keem is nominated and not Jid?

[Rory]

Baby Keem deserves to be nominated. Numbers Tour music.

[Mall]

What tour?

[Damaris]

What tour?

[Rory]

Baby Keem's tour was all over the Internet, you guys. He had mosh pits. The Webster Hall. Shit. I thought the floor was going to fall.

[Mall]

I don't even remember.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah, I didn't. I didn't see it.

[Rory]

Okay, well, I'm telling you guys, for sure. Baby Keem's tour was very, very popular. He did great numbers.

[Mall]

Is this based on last year?

[Rory]

Yeah, Whatever the month. It's not exactly January to December. Whatever they do the fucking. Like July to Baby King.

[Mall]

But if Baby Keem is there, God, JIT has to be there.

[Rory]

What? No, I think both of them should be there. If you don't have Keem or Jit, I think it's. It's kind of a wash. Yeah. In. In my opinion. But do you. I mean, do you Think that BET kind of only focuses on, I would say more of the Dirk baby gonna worlds when it comes to rap. Whereas maybe Grammys focus is more on Gibbs and like Jid and that side. Do you think there's a split there? I'm not making that point. I'm asking. No, that's what a lot of people were saying on the Internet.

[Mall]

Yeah, but say what you want to say.

[Rory]

I'm asking you a question. Do you think that's the case?

[Mall]

So I think BET focuses on just popularity and Grammy focuses on artists.

[Rory]

But I think Gunna is is deserving of Grammys and BET awards.

[Mall]

I do too.

[Rory]

But I'm saying that the type of music and the sound, sonically, the artistry. Yes.

[Mall]

Yeah. I think the Grammy focuses more on that.

[Damaris]

So I looked up the eligibility period for the BET Awards. It goes from mid March to mid March. So it would be mid March 2025 to mid March 2026. Baby Keem released his album February 20th. I can see malls. I can understand where Malz coming from. Where. That might not be fair. How you were the best male hip hop artist of the year. When?

[Mall]

For one month.

[Damaris]

For one month. I can understand what.

[Rory]

But we've, I mean we've seen that with, with plenty award shows where an album will meet the deadline by one month and still get nominated.

[Damaris]

But it's the album, not the artist.

[Rory]

True, but I mean it still falls in the same thing. And Keem had a lead up to that album. There was a two singles video. Like I, I, I still think Keem belongs up there.

[Mall]

I'm not saying he don't.

[Rory]

That's all I'm saying.

[Mall]

I'm not saying he don't.

[Damaris]

Who was y'? All? Okay, so if we, we have to do this when we do lists, they have asap, Rocky, Baby Keem, because the Big X, the Plug, Dababy, Don Tolliver, Drake, J. Cole, Kendrick Lamar and T.I. all on this list. Who would y' all take out and replace with jid?

[Rory]

You said March 2025 to March 2026.

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Rory]

What are we in now? May?

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Mall]

Rory trying to carry the two and all. Listen, TI can sit down. TI can come sit right here.

[Damaris]

No.

[Rory]

You know what's funny? You said that.

[Mall]

Come sit next to me.

[Rory]

He said no. Why I was carrying the one is. Cause I was trying to remember where the TI50 thing was and where TI's huge record right now landed. Cause I was about to say take ti off ti 2027 awards in there. So yeah, I'm on the ti side that jid should be over ti there, but with everything ti has done in the past few months, he should be there next year, 100%. But to me, like, you don't think Offset and Jade could perform Bodies at the BET Awards. And then I'll make total sense. Yeah, like, that's a huge record and lands in, I think the sound that they typically awards, like, it's Offset as well. Yeah. If I'm Jid, I would be livid. And I think there's. There's that false stigma that a lot of artists don't support the BET Awards but support the Grammys. I can see why Jay would be extra pissed. Like, I want to support the BET Awards. I'm happy to be Grammy nominated. But don't think I take this as just some JV shit. This is important to me.

[Damaris]

Y' all think ASAP had a bigger year than Jadi?

[Mall]

No. No, I don't.

[Rory]

So I love Rocky's album, but no, I don't.

[Damaris]

ASAP could go to y', all, but

[Rory]

ASAP is one of those, like, legacy. Like, when he does come out, it's, of course they should be there. I mean, I'm saying, like, he headlined every festival.

[Mall]

Did he headline rolling out? Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, I, I. Because that's just gonna look like hate if you say that. Because Rocky is always consistent, even if it's with his back catalog. He still is up there and put out a great album within that time. But, I mean, I. I think you could find out of all these nominations somewhere to acknowledge Jid and what he did in that time span, for sure. Cuz that's crazy. Like, that's really wild.

[Mall]

Yeah. See, this goes back to yc. This is why I have an issue with jcole not.

[Rory]

You think that would have got. Why, yo, why JCole not give his spot up?

[Mall]

JCole if JCole. If JCole did with Kendrick did for King, if J. Cole did that for Jid, he'd be right there in that conversation.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. You got the platform. I'm your artist. I got best Rap album, nigga. Showcase me, put me out in front.

[Rory]

That's a high. That's a high expectation. What Kendrick has done with Keem over the last few years with putting out videos, Lucy's together doing festivals. They did Camp Flog now together, did an entire. One of the highest grossing tours ever together, where Keem was not only the opener, he was on stage the whole time.

[Mall]

He's been on why Cole can't do that with you.

[Rory]

I'm just saying that most artists have a lot going on, and I think the big part of them being family helps as well, because we would have been next to each other regardless. And I'm not saying it's a Nepo thing.

[Mall]

That's not true. We would have been next to each other regardless, because I got mad family.

[Rory]

I'm not next to you See, on the on the Date tour, before Baby Keem was even. Baby Keem or an artist was sitting there engineering on the tour bus for Kendrick.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, he. Like I'm saying that they are together all the time. It just so happens also that Baby Keem is a very talented artist. And Kendrick.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Come out of my wing. I'm launching PG Lang, which is just at that time, one artist. And I'm launching my company with Dave Free. It's. It's me, you, and Dave. J. Cole has 75 fucking artists on

[Mall]

Dreamboo, and only one of them is nominated for Best Rap Album.

[Damaris]

I will say.

[Rory]

I'm just saying he can't dedicate his life to running around the world with Keem and putting out one song with Jid.

[Mall]

One record. I didn't say, take that.

[Rory]

You know, you said, what song? I'm with you. But they've collaborated. Yeah, like, but I hear you once

[Mall]

ain't nominated for BET Award. You don't with. You don't with Jedi, so.

[Rory]

Well, that's a weird conclusion with the people.

[Damaris]

With the people they have on here. I don't think that Jit, even if he would have gotten a co feature, he would have been on here. As I'm looking at these names, I feel like they just be on Twitter and just picked up whoever had the most conversation about them and whoever's a favorite.

[Mall]

Where's Wale at?

[Rory]

Don't even get me started.

[Mall]

Where's Wale at?

[Damaris]

But that's what I'm saying.

[Rory]

It's like, once we finish this Jid conversation, I was going to get right into the Wale conversation.

[Damaris]

Well, let's.

[Mall]

What are we. What are we doing here? You know what I'm saying?

[Damaris]

Let's finish the conversation about what?

[Mall]

Walk like an elephant. You got a hoodie.

[Reese Witherspoon]

Who.

[Mall]

When you walk in here, say something. Yeah, say something. Say, I'm here. Something. I just seen somebody in the mirror. I'm like, who that? Let's.

[Damaris]

We're going to circle back on the BET Awards and all of their nominations. We did jump ahead, but we can talk about Jid's tweet about Cole's line about him and 99Bill Freestyle and what we think it could possibly be, what he said. He said, J. Cole said it best or whatever when he. Because somebody must have said something. He must have said something, and then, oh, no, I'm sorry. He was talking about the BET Awards and how he didn't get nominated. Somebody retweeted it and said, J. Cole said it best. And he's referring to the line that if hip hop is back, JID should chart platinum. Anything less than that, it means y' all capping. J I. D then responds to that person and says, nigga ain't say shit. I've been overly platinum. That bar was ass. That's what JD Said, which Lee.

[Rory]

And it was, hey, you want more flowers? I can't afford them.

[Damaris]

No, it was. It's a now deleted tweet. He deleted the tweet. But that leads me to believe that they are not in a good space, because even if that. Even if. If. Even if we just weren't on each other's albums, whatever, that tweet, that has some spice to it. There's. There's definitely an issue there, so.

[Mall]

I told you it was an issue before this.

[Damaris]

You did. You. You. No, you told me it was weird. He wasn't on there. You didn't say it was an issue.

[Mall]

But that's what it means. If I'm not on nothing with you and you not on nothing with me, and I'm signed and I'm best rap album nominated, it's something we ain't f. We ain't not rocking with each other. It's okay to say it. They not. They not rocking with each other.

[Rory]

The bar was ass part is the sass to it, because he could really say, like, that bar doesn't make sense because I have had platinum records before. Not a platinum album, but platinum records, and that's not the case. You could say that the bar was misleading, but when you say his ass. Yeah, you got. Yeah, you got some issues.

[Mall]

Yo, J, call me, man.

[Damaris]

It's the. Ain't say, like, ain't say. Yeah, it's static. Yeah.

[Mall]

And what you want to do, you ain't pick that up. And what he said right there and what you want to do about it? You want to get in the booth? Because we could do that. I'm just saying, y' all said I was crazy for saying I could. Yo, I could look at it, and I could tell, like, y' all not really banging with each other like that you could see it. They not really rocking with each other.

[Damaris]

You have a theory as to why? I mean, all speculation.

[Mall]

All speculation. We seen ahrii wasn't happy with Dreamville and what they'd done. Right. She's no longer there. Correct. Okay, maybe he's the next person on that list of not being happy over at Dreamville. Yeah, that's all simple. And when you don't see them working together, if you have the platform of J. Cole, right, and you have your label, your imprint, and then you sign artists, and then now one of your artists is Grammy nominated, that would be the time where you showcase that artist, because then that helps the label look, you know what I'm saying? Like, yo, they got some shit over there. One of the homies is Grammy nominated right now. So when you don't see that, it's like, why not? Jit is super fire. They're like, oh, nah. But he had future on the hook. Jid does melodies. He does. He does all of that shit. He can't get a hook somewhere. He can't get an ad lib behind something. Like just little three bars. Like, just get Jit in there. Like, just something that says, yo, this is my. This is my. This is my Gunner right here. This is my. My artist. He's super ill. He's super lit. Let me share some of my platform with him, even though everybody already knows that he's J. Cole's artist. But, like, let me remind y' all how dope he is, though. He's not just my artist. He's super ill. This nigga's nice. Like, I'm just saying. It's just. It's just something didn't. Didn't look and feel right to me about that. Like, wait, he's not on nothing? Like, might delete later. The birthday mixtape, the album. He not on Jid album. Nothing y' all ain't got. And then somebody told me online, yo, nah, they got a whole album together. Like, watch, it's gonna drop. Oh, cool.

[Rory]

This is the rollout. Yeah.

[Mall]

If they got a whole album together, can we. We can't get one song on the album.

[Rory]

Dreamville is too good at rollouts to use this type of rollout.

[Mall]

Yeah, like, come on, man.

[Rory]

I'm sure they probably have enough music. Do they together on a hard drive for the. For the amount of years?

[Mall]

I don't know, man.

[Rory]

I'm not saying that. They both may not think it's up to par. Well, to be fair, rappers rap together all the time and never makes it

[Damaris]

it was Jid who said that him and Cole recorded a 15 track joint album. He said that. In August of 2025.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

Oh, he did say that. Okay. Well, then they got album together. Why they ain't dropped.

[Rory]

I mean, anytime I've seen this in the past, when an artist is signed to another artist that runs the label, they usually feel like they're being mishandled. And I've seen the artist be right and I've seen the artist be wrong. Sometimes you're not being mishandled. You just don't know what you're doing. And sometimes you are truly being mishandled and neglected at that label. Because we're focusing on the head of the label who's the biggest rapper. So, yeah, I think he just feels like he's being mishandled. That's what I've seen. Any time over when this happens.

[Mall]

That's why it's always tough to sign to an artist that is like a huge artist.

[Rory]

Yeah, you gotta. What?

[Mall]

You gotta wait. You gotta wait.

[Rory]

The whole album cycle is now cut. Is not available for you.

[Mall]

Yeah, like, and if I get in the studio and I get like two records that are crazy, nine times out of 10, you gonna want one of those for your project.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mall]

Like, damn, that was my record. But what you gonna say? Like, okay, cool. You know what I mean? So it's, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a gift and a curse with that. You know what I mean? And I just think that somewhere along the line this relationship kind of like ran its course. And Jed is probably like, yo, you know what? I think I'm just better going somewhere else and doing my own thing, not being under this artist. Because it's like, yo, it's always going to be him first. And you know, you get to a point where you like, yeah, man. Like, you know, I'm. I feel like I'm just as nice as you. It gets to that point too sometimes. Yeah. I was signed years ago. I was a little bro and all of that. Lil bro is Grammy nominated now for rap album of the year.

[Rory]

I mean, now that I feel like

[Mall]

I could get my shit off, now

[Rory]

that everything has passed from 2024 with the big three, they've all put albums out. I think this could be the cool time where they release more music. Like, I don't see why Cole, I know he said he was retired, but I don't see why he wouldn't want to put out. Maybe it's not 15 tracks. Maybe it's seven. Maybe we throw out a quick J. Cole JID EP real quick. In between JID's album cycle. They're at that point now. At this point, all three of them should put out as much music as they want. No more this waiting game of who's going to say what because of the beef. Put out as much music as possible. Why can't Cole just put the JIT shit out? I don't think there's a point now where every. The three of them have to be so particular in every move that they make, in every look that they give. Because all three of them have put out the post Beef album. Of course, there'll probably be little shots, whatever, but for the most part, we are all past that. Put out a bunch of music.

[Damaris]

Well, I'm sure that that album not coming out has nothing to do with that.

[Rory]

I think it has everything to do with that.

[Damaris]

I don't. Because if that's the case, that I don't think just says that was ass. There's an issue with them.

[Rory]

Oh, no, I. I think two things are true. I think he thinks that bar was ass and he feels away. But also that didn't come out the same way. The French verse that Drake didn't clear didn't come out. This is not the time. Everyone is on pins and needles of everything about to say. I need to be strategic. We would have dissected that J. Cole and Jid album to the last fucking syllable. And it was probably recorded before the. Oh, no, it was after the beat. But yeah, we would have been waiting to see what he was about to say about everybody else. Yeah, it would have been a waste. But now that it's passed, why can't you put out a seven track joint with Jid and call it even? I would love to get in the room, Cole, and I'm not saying this as a shot. Cole has been very vocal about not wanting the confrontation and making sure everything's cool. I'm sure he cares about his artists even if it hasn't shown in the past to them. Yeah, squash it and put out music.

[Damaris]

I would love to hear it. We waiting for it. If anybody's listening. Shebang out there in the ether. Jesus Christ. Is this gonna be a thing? This is gonna be a thing.

[Mall]

Oh, God, I'm sorry.

[Damaris]

All year.

[Mall]

I got it. Tourette's. I'm sorry.

[Damaris]

What's your favorite song? Today?

[Mall]

Today.

[Damaris]

Today.

[Mall]

Still Janice.

[Damaris]

Okay. I'm gonna check in with you every day and see if it changes. Okay.

[Mall]

Yeah, I'm still feeling Janice. Okay, Janice and shebang still. It's my shit right there.

[Damaris]

Okay?

[Mall]

I'm saying why y' all laughing?

[Damaris]

Yo, it's the way you said it.

[Rory]

I'm laughing at the two of y'.

[Damaris]

All.

[Mall]

That's my shit right there. More Janice Still.

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[Rory]

Visit Wells Fargo.com autograph journey terms apply. You heard the Lupe Shebang freestyle.

[Mall]

Then I saw the video, but I didn't listen to it.

[Rory]

Shout out to Lupe. He was performing. I wasn't sure if it was a show festival, what it was, but he forgot the lyrics to Kick Push two, which, I mean, I give you a pass. I love Kick Push two, but it's not one that I feel like he would perform all the time. And I saw Lupe perform at Rock the Bell's Cruise, and I came in here and said was blown away by his performance. He's a really, really good performer at the ability that you are rapping at that level and your show is like, that says something. So, yeah, I wouldn't boom for forgetting The Kick Push. The Kick Push lyrics. Then I'd have, like, a little bit of an issue for what I paid. But Kick Push two? Nah. But he started talking to the crowd that, you know, it's y' all fault. Y' all went and downloaded all this music on Limewire. We should be in fucking stadiums. I'm forgetting this shit. Cause y' all downloaded it, and it never came out. Cause Kick Push 2 never really came out. Yeah, like, it had to leak. Cause it was on Limewire. And he's like, of course I don't perform this. Y' all leaked it. It's not a song, right?

[Damaris]

Well, then, nigga, that still ain't our fault. Why you got it on the. The fuck you the one did sound check, nigga.

[Rory]

Like, why you blaming us?

[Mall]

But you know what? I am always fascinated at how artists, especially rappers, because there's so many more words with rap, how they can remember all of those verses. Like, when they had a show. That shit always fascinates me. Even if you wrote it and it's your shit, it's like for you to go out there and perform that and remember every word for two hours.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but their fans be sitting up there singing every word with them, and they. Fans didn't write it.

[Mall]

Yeah, but it's.

[Rory]

Yeah, but they have breath control. They're. They're performing it.

[Mall]

It's different when I'm performing it. Yeah. Like, I'm performing it. Like, you could take seconds off and start recording me and talking to your friend. And I'm actually still having to rap these entire records on stage. Like, that's always been fascinating to me with rap. Like, great rappers that can perform. Like, the fact that you can memorize all of those lyrics and the timing of it and everything, like, at the

[Rory]

level that Lupe raps.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And I'm telling you, at the show, you can hear every word. Like, it's like you're listening to the record.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

It's incredible what he does. But I laughed when he said that. As far as, like, it's y' all fucking fault with downloading music. And I feel for Lupe because his specific generation, pre Blog era, they got hit the hardest with this shit. When they signed the majors, they had to deal with leaks, I think worse than anybody. Of course, it was a thing in the early 2000s, but that mid 2000, and then iTunes was hitting CD stores was. LimeWire was going crazy. Kaza was going crazy. Lupe's generation got this worse than anyone because the generation after learned to adjust it we'll give them free mixtapes and hopefully we can sell the album.

[Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

He was like, yo, this is my single and it's on Limewire.

[Damaris]

Hey, man.

[Rory]

So I, I, I feel for that, that gap that like 2003 to six. I feel for those guys a lot. Seven maybe. But I, I laughed at it. I didn't know he was going to get killed on the Internet to the point that he had to reply. And even in the freestyle he was like, rob, it wasn't that serious.

[Damaris]

Oh, he really does. I thought you were joking when you.

[Rory]

No, he wrapped up with Shebang.

[Damaris]

He really has a shebang freestyle. I'm gonna have to check that out.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's good too. He's just addressing the entire thing. But yeah, Lupe.

[Damaris]

Do y' all think Lupe could have like a comeback or do you think like, it's like legacy his.

[Rory]

Because he's been really consistent.

[Damaris]

Come back into mainstream is what I said. When I say come back, it's always

[Rory]

no and not because he's, he can't. Because he doesn't never gonna.

[Mall]

Yeah, you don't want that. No, he can still put out, he

[Rory]

puts out great albums. Yeah, yeah, he's in again. He was in that system that sucked. And you know, he was outside Atlantic protesting like he's, he's done with that, that world and I'm sure happy about it.

[Mall]

But don't get it twisted. He can still out rap 99.

[Damaris]

Oh, for sure.

[Rory]

99.999.

[Mall]

Yeah, for sure.

[Rory]

And I mean, he, he puts out, he's active like every year. You get a Lupe product every other year at minimum. So shout out to Lupe. I just thought that was funny. Yelling at your own fans.

[Mall]

It's your fault and I should be

[Rory]

in stadiums and I, and I feel them.

[Mall]

Definitely.

[Rory]

But I was 15. Lupe, if you were 15, you would have downloaded your shit too.

[Mall]

Oh, no, I mean, he, he understands it. He gets that.

[Rory]

Like, you Remember the Andre 3000 what a job verse on the Devin the Dude album where he just, he's addressing all legal downloads. Like, if I came to your job and took your corner of the car, how would, would you be all right with it?

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Cool. So, yeah, I like totally understand what Andre 3000 was saying now that I'm an adult and like in business. Yeah, but as a kid, I'm like download.

[Mall]

Absolutely. But also in that moment, I don't think that they're talking to the 15 year old kids.

[Rory]

No, but we are. We were the ones that were doing it the most.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

I mean that we were.

[Rory]

And, like, ones on the Internet, even, like, I think Metallica was probably, like, the first band that was anti Napster. I think they even got Napster, like, shut down. And I remember as a kid, like, everyone calling, like, you're whining, you fucking whiny millionaires. But it's like, dude, imagine if you had a bunch of T shirts in your house and you was going to sell them for $10 and then they stole them and went, what's the problem?

[Mall]

Right? Makes sense. I get it.

[Rory]

What's your issue?

[Mall]

I totally get it. I understand it. But kids gonna download shit. That's a fact.

[Rory]

Adults, too.

[Kal Penn]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Illegally. We're gonna download some shit now, but also support as well.

[Rory]

Yeah. The new version of that to me is buying the projects on itunes. Like, streaming. Of course, Penny.

[Damaris]

But yeah, yeah, I buy my friend stuff. Yeah.

[Rory]

If it's the artist I really support, I'm going. Even though I'm probably going to listen to it on streaming and not downloading.

[Mall]

I bought your album.

[Rory]

I appreciate that, man.

[Mall]

I said, I think. Hold on. Okay.

[Rory]

It counts as 1500 streams, so thank you.

[Damaris]

It does.

[Rory]

Yes. 1500 times.

[Damaris]

I think I. Yeah, I think I bought your album, too.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah, I bought it.

[Rory]

But that's clearly not affecting John Toliver.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah. No.

[Rory]

He's cracked the code. Octane is the first 2026 rap album to sell over 1 million copies.

[Mall]

I need more flowers. Actually, I don't it.

[Rory]

Y' all in the flower for, like, a Don Toliver. Now we're downloading flowers. We're stealing them.

[Mall]

I told y', all, three months ago, this was the hottest. Y' all looked at me like, nah, Nobody imagine it was Damaris. Because she was like, I went somewhere. They didn't play. No, Don.

[Damaris]

First of all, I never said that Don Toliver wasn't hot at all. I never said that. No, I didn't. Okay. That's what I said. That's what I said.

[Mall]

Did you say that?

[Damaris]

That's what I said. Peach.

[Mall]

Then she said that that just came from burgers and bottles. Usually. I said that.

[Damaris]

I didn't hear that. I never said Don Toliver wasn't hot. I never said that. When what happened was. You said, no, which happened was Don Tolliver. I think on the list was eight. And out of the seven people or something that was ahead of him or I don't know how far down he was, you said, out of all seven of those people, take J. Cole. You could Take J. Cole out and put Don Toliver there. That is where you got flack for me because I was like, at the time that they did the eligibility period, J. Cole was extremely hot because it was literally the rollout and the release of the fall off. That's what I said. I never said Don Toliver wasn't hot and he didn't deserve to be in the list of the top hottest rappers. Never said that. So if you gonna quote me, quote me right, nigga.

[Mall]

We're gonna find the clip.

[Damaris]

Okay, then find it.

[Mall]

And I don't want. Put your Billy Jean shoes on and start moonwalking.

[Damaris]

N. I don't my. I don't never do.

[Mall]

I remember all my. Take all you moonwalking. You talking about Michael came out now all. You know how to moonwalk all of a sudden. I'm sick of this.

[Rory]

Anyway, though, Saturday I open the sunroof and we can put on Don Tor shoot a video.

[Mall]

No, put. Put that other on.

[Rory]

Don't. Don't start.

[Mall]

I just said put that other on.

[Rory]

I know what you're getting at, so I'm saying don't start.

[Mall]

So that's it. Put that other on.

[Rory]

Was there. Was there any other BET Award nominees that you wanted to talk about? I mean, I don't know if that's too compelling to the listeners. Just go through.

[Mall]

Nah. Shout out to Don Tolliver. Man. Million. A million. Million records sold.

[Rory]

Yeah, definitely. Congratulations.

[Mall]

Congrats to Don Tolliver. Congratulations to the entire team over there. Octane is phenomenal. If Octane didn't come out, I don't know what the hell I would have been listening to for the last however many months. But. Yeah.

[Damaris]

So, Wale, going into what you said about the BET Awards, Wale is nominated. Everything Is A Lot is nominated for Album of the Year, but he's not nominated for Best Male Hip Hop Artist.

[Rory]

How Watching us with Leon Thomas. That's nominated, right? Or I'm gonna start going on Wale and Leon Thomas watching us. It's a fucking smash record.

[Mall]

That should be a number one record.

[Damaris]

Well, I think we're looking at. We're looking at album of the year first. So let me. Give me a second.

[Rory]

I'm about to get on a Wale rant. If that's the case.

[Damaris]

Give me a second. We're still at the album of the year.

[Rory]

Don't tap the glass, Tyler. Everything is a lot. While they let God sort him out Clips the Fall off Heart sold separately. Damaris the Scientist Mutt Deluxe Leon Thomas the Romantic Bruno Mars, am I the drama Cardi B? You guys know how I feel about Tyler, but that can go. And Jid should be in that slot. Other than that, I think this is a cool, cool list.

[Damaris]

So Baby Keem isn't on here. Actually, most of the people that were on that were nominated for best Male Hip Hop artists are not on here.

[Rory]

But I, I, I'm fine with the Deluxe stuff because. Because Mutt Deluxe is like a whole new album. But that's gonna start getting tricky. Like, we gotta. I feel like someone should flag that.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Because it's gonna be a cheat code. Like, Sza SOS should be like, Grammy nominated, like now. Because it's another 32. Like, yeah, that's. And then it's gonna add to the streams and the numbers, which is gonna give it merit to then be nominated to get. Like, I just think it's, it's unfair to a lot of artists. I don't know if Deluxe should be eligible for album of the year. Songs of the year, I think is totally fine because they're new songs. But that's such a cheat code because, like, he could do a third one, and it's gonna be great. And Mutt, it's just gonna be Mutt for three years straight.

[Damaris]

What you guys vote for?

[Mall]

Who's your vote Album of the year?

[Damaris]

You gonna go Wale mall?

[Rory]

I mean, out of these was just the impact, but let's sort them out.

[Mall]

The Mutt Deluxe is like, come on. Mud was incredible. Yeah.

[Damaris]

It's not fair.

[Rory]

Let's.

[Damaris]

Let's take. Let's, let's take Mud out. To be fair. Let's take Mud out. And who do you guys.

[Rory]

But doesn't Cardi's gonna win so Atlanta fall in this. The Deluxe of SOS that came out

[Damaris]

like two years ago. Boo.

[Rory]

No, it was. It's in my R b albums of 2025.

[Damaris]

Wait, what? What month did it come out of? 2025.

[Mall]

Probably a year ago. Yeah, like, probably like March.

[Rory]

Oh, no, it came right at the end of 2024.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I was like, the last day. No way.

[Rory]

That was the last day. Yeah. Okay, fair enough. Yeah, I'd go clips. Let God have sworn out of all these.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But no, that the Mutt Deluxes is nuts. But yeah, I think, I mean, Cardi.

[Damaris]

Cardi's.

[Rory]

Cardi made a crazy splash with that. With that album.

[Damaris]

It's gonna. From the, from the award show. That it is. Cardi is. Cardi is gonna win.

[Rory]

Yeah, I'm not mad at that. All right, let's look at best male R B slash pop artist. Bren Fias, Bruno Mars, Bryson Taylor, Chris Brown, Duran Renard, Giveon, Leon Thomas. October London, Usher. Out the gate. I'm still with Leon. You going, Leon for the cycle?

[Mall]

That.

[Rory]

That's there. Okay. I mean, I get. I get why Chris is here, because his tour was, like, one of the craziest things ever. But Brown didn't make that cycle. Did he put out much music in between? He put out the record with. With Brent, and I think that was it. Right in that cycle.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

[Rory]

But I mean, the tour alone, I'm not mad at the nomination, but. What did I say? Brent? I meant Bryson.

[Damaris]

You said Brent? Yeah.

[Rory]

Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I meant Chris put out a record with Bryson that was huge. But you could make a case for Bryson had a great year as well. I just think Leon checked all the boxes for that cycle.

[Damaris]

Okay, Ma, what's your vote?

[Mall]

It's almost unfair whenever Chris is there, man.

[Rory]

But if he didn't. If you put out one song in the tour, like, I. I just feel like Leon put out so much music featured on so many people's stuff. He's been on tour the entire time.

[Mall]

Personally, I mean, I'll go. I'll probably me. When I listen to the most, probably was Brent. Okay. Out of everybody up here, Brent and Bryson. Duran Bernard's album was crazy, though.

[Rory]

Really good.

[Mall]

Giveon had a good project. October London had a good project. This is a tough category. Honestly, this might be the toughest.

[Damaris]

I wouldn't be mad at them giving it to Duran.

[Mall]

Honestly, to Duran, Bernard, I wouldn't be mad. This album was dope. But, yeah, whenever you have somebody up there like a Chris Brown, though, and you know to what JIT is saying, it's kind of like that.

[Damaris]

It's like, yeah, but it's for the year, though.

[Mall]

It's voters fatigue. You know what I'm saying? Like, someone's like, michael Jordan should have won MVP every year he played, right? But you can't give it to Michael Jordan every year, even though he probably is the best player in the league every year. Chris Brown's probably the best male R and B pop artist every year, even if he's not putting out an album or say he's just touring. If he's just touring and selling out stadiums, it's like, so then what's the

[Damaris]

criteria if it does, if it's not. If an album is not required, what makes you the best of that year? What makes you better?

[Mall]

You're selling out stadiums.

[Damaris]

So you sold out, you toured better than people. That's it.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's a big hit.

[Damaris]

I mean, of course, but is that the only criteria? That's what all I'm saying is that the only criteria.

[Mall]

I mean, not the only. But that's a major part of it. When you see me selling out stadiums, like, it's hard to say anybody's a better male R and B pop artist than me. You know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

I hear you, but that's just one thing. Leon, of course, didn't do stadiums, but he was on tour that entire cycle with huge venues around the entire world for sure.

[Mall]

And he had an incredible album, plus

[Rory]

the deluxe plus feature. Like. Yeah, I just think he checks more boxes than Chris does in. In that regard.

[Mall]

No, I'm. I'm with you. Like I said, me personally, I would. My. My vote would be Brent. Me personally.

[Damaris]

Why would your vote be Brent? Because of his. His project.

[Mall]

Those project was incredible.

[Rory]

Same.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Mall]

His project was incredible.

[Rory]

So you.

[Mall]

Okay, but I'm just saying it's hard. Whenever you put Chris Brown, it's like. You know what I'm saying? It's like, here come this. You know what I'm saying? Like, ah, damn. Who the island beating Christian in a category. You know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

But did Brent's album Icon just made it February 13, 2026. Yeah, just made it. Dijon. I feel like. I know you guys aren't a huge fan of him, but his album Baby was my favorite last year, and he wrote a majority of Justin Bieber's Dijon.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Rory]

He had an incredible R B pop album last year and wrote almost all of both those Justin Bieber albums. Like, I'm not saying he should win, but, like, a nomination, I would understand, okay, that. That would be my only add on in here, but.

[Damaris]

So you're going Leon, you're going Chris, and I'm going Leon.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

We can quickly do the female R and B pop.

[Mall]

I wanted to go Bruno.

[Rory]

We can quickly do the best female R B pop artist.

[Damaris]

Not this year.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I hate Ari Lennox, Coco Jones, lma, Jill Scott, Kehlani Mariah, the scientist, Olivia Dean, Sza Thames. I'm leaning towards Kehlani.

[Damaris]

Kehlani should win.

[Rory]

That's the first one out the gate that I'm thinking.

[Damaris]

They sleep in our Ella, though. I ain't gonna too much lie to you, but Kehlani should win.

[Mall]

Tim's.

[Rory]

I was either gonna go Kehlani or Tim's.

[Mall]

Yeah, I think I'm gonna go. Tim's.

[Rory]

That Tim. That's.

[Mall]

I ain't gonna lie. Olivia Dean, though.

[Damaris]

Tim.

[Rory]

But then, well, she swept in like the. Yeah.

[Mall]

Olivia Dean.

[Damaris]

We call it anything R and B now.

[Mall]

You don't think Olivia Dean is R and B?

[Damaris]

I don't think Olivia.

[Rory]

Well, it's R and B pop.

[Damaris]

Tim's has a R and B pop. Okay. Yeah.

[Rory]

No. Olivia Dean.

[Damaris]

Even in that category, R and B pop, Tim's is a. Ah. Tim's makes a lot of different types of. Yes. And it's more Afro beats than R B. And I love Tim's album. I listen.

[Mall]

She got one of the

[Rory]

records. Like, Afrobeats is pop.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Tim's got one of the best R B records of the year.

[Damaris]

Yes. For sure.

[Rory]

Album for sure.

[Damaris]

But the album is not completely R B. It's not even. It's not even really half R B. Like, it has R B elements. But I would consider it.

[Rory]

I'm saying pop. Like Olivia Dean and Thames.

[Damaris]

Olivia Dean pop makes sense. Yes.

[Rory]

Yeah. And Thames, too. I think that sound is. When you have Ed Sheeran, like, strumming away to Afrobeats. It's pop music now. Yeah.

[Damaris]

Olivia Dean had a huge year, but I don't think they're going to give it to her. But she had a huge year. The only bet is going to give it to Kehlani.

[Rory]

I mean, I think it should go to her.

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Rory]

That's. That's my opinion.

[Mall]

But yeah, Folded is like, what you gonna do with that?

[Damaris]

Kehlani had one hell of a year. I think they're gonna give it to her. But Olivia Dean would be a strong contender. I don't like them combining R B and pop. I think that's extremely lazy.

[Rory]

I hate that. Yeah. But y' all know my vote. I also get it with. With time. Like, how much time you have to shoot the award show. I guess you could do ones off. Off camera.

[Damaris]

Okay. They still doing video of the year? People still watch videos?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Hell, yeah.

[Damaris]

There is no song of the year award now, which is interesting.

[Rory]

Of all the things you could take away.

[Mall]

So what did they replace it with?

[Damaris]

I don't think so. They probably just took it away.

[Mall]

That's crazy how you just take away song of the year.

[Damaris]

Like, I kind of get that, though.

[Mall]

Song of the year. But I mean, folded.

[Damaris]

No.

[Mall]

What would be the song of the Year?

[Damaris]

Because I'm sure that there were bigger songs than folks. Like, that's what I get. I get getting I get wanting to get rid of Song of the Year because you have to then include so many categories. With albums, it's already hard to narrow it down to 8, 9. But then with songs. Oh, Video of the Year is in. Stanford is the closest for it would be Video of the Year. But that doesn't. You could have a terrible song and a great video. It doesn't mean anything.

[Mall]

So video to you is supposed to be substituting for song of the Year.

[Damaris]

No, it's not. That was a. That was a misspeak on my part. But yeah, I feel like how are you gonna pick like from every single category of genre, pick one song of the year? I feel like that's tough to do.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Even the Grammys has Song of the Year and Record of the Year. One acknowledges like impact and all the things. All of those things. And one acknowledges writing.

[Rory]

So, yeah, I'll be tuning in and I know the Hip Hop Awards are no longer here with us, but we could add the cyphers right. In 2024, rest in peace to the BET Hip Hop Awards.

[Mall]

He's no longer with us.

[Rory]

I think you could still take the greatest thing from that, which was the Ciphers, and add it to the BET Awards because I think the Internet cares about that. Even if you get some rappers up there that can't rap, it'll still be a moment. And that could be a cool way to get legacy involved in some of that or some of the. The rappers. Rappers like to make a well rounded show. Yeah. If they're not gonna be nominated, let them rap.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Okay, Legit. Do a J. Cole diss record in the BET Cipher.

[Damaris]

But this. So the people who. I think the ciphers, the people who would allow themselves to go and actually be in the ciphers, can't really rap like that. The niggas that can really rap don't be trying to do them ciphers.

[Rory]

So I disagree. If you had all the people that.

[Mall]

All the rappers did the ciphers before.

[Damaris]

Before. I'm talking about now in this day.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Last year I seen y' all roll Brandi out. The last year, some shit. Brandi started rapping.

[Damaris]

Don't do that. It was Teyana Taylor.

[Mall]

Yeah, it was a couple people.

[Damaris]

Brandi did a good job.

[Mall]

That was still cool though, is what I'm saying. I get what they was trying to do, but I was saying her. Her.

[Damaris]

I think her had a verse, but her could rap.

[Mall]

Yeah, but I'm cool.

[Rory]

All right. But if you see. All right. Have on the Radar hosted like you see the amount of people that could actually rap that go up to what's not now LA leakers, but leakers on the Radar. Like, it's clearly. You can see the views of people that are rapping, rapping. Let on the Radar hosted. There's rappers that want to rap that. That.

[Mall]

Yeah, but then y' all gonna want to put all the Fentanyl young rappers on there, and I don't.

[Damaris]

They are gonna want to, because that's

[Rory]

what's gonna get them to use.

[Damaris]

That's the thing.

[Mall]

That's what we.

[Rory]

I mean, did you just see what Gabe did with that? Who's next? Cipher for on the Radar? It was seven incredible lyricists. Like, they exist, but that's not gonna

[Damaris]

get ratings they care about. Not even ratings. That's.

[Rory]

No, that's why I said balance it with the people that can't rap. Okay, let's. Let's make a spectacle and laugh and then let's see some people rap.

[Mall]

Shout out Corey Guns. He got a dope cipher right now. One Train Cyphers.

[Rory]

Corey Guns went nuts on that.

[Mall]

Yeah, he went crazy on that.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Shout out to Corey.

[Rory]

Yeah, Shit. Corey Gunn's up there.

[Mall]

Yeah, I ain't mad at that, but I just don't know if it's at the BET Awards, though.

[Rory]

I mean.

[Mall]

But I get it. Anyways, get the nominees right. First and foremost. Let's start there. Get the nominees right. Cause Wale should be nominated.

[Rory]

Well, he's got some in there, but now that I know Song of the Year isn't there, I feel less upset about watching us. But, yeah, I saw this tweet yesterday. Wale put up a video. And what's that? Lost in Vegas. 83 asked a really good question. Who is Wale's rap ancestor? He's always sounded like his own thing to me. What rap family tree does he belong to? Such a creative, authentic talent that needs to be appreciated more for his contributions. I completely agree. I don't know if Wale really has one, and I think that's in part to being from the dmv, where there's not a long lineage of popular hip hop. Because when he came out, he was. He was rapping 100 miles. He's rapping on gogo beats. Of course, he didn't sound like anyone. No one ever rapped on Go Go beats. But yeah, I think him being Nigerian, his accent, and from the dmv, I don't know who. Like. Like, we've never really seen that before.

[Damaris]

Well, some people put some suggestions in there. He got a couple answers where it's like Q Tip. He has a Az, a black thought.

[Rory]

I mean, he has a little bit of lyrical Y class.

[Damaris]

Nas, Lauren, Andre.

[Rory]

I mean, no, he raps at a high level. I just don't, like. I don't, like, hear AZ when I hear they're both incredible lyricists. I don't hear Wale when I hear Az.

[Damaris]

Everybody is saying Q Tip. Tip and Lauren.

[Mall]

Yeah, Tribe.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I can hear Tribe Tip for sure.

[Rory]

And again, yeah, he's a lyrical Wycliffe more than I think Lauren, but, yeah, that makes sense. That was a cool question, though. Yeah, I like when there's healthy questions.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah. Fuji's for sure in the pockets that he uses. Friend of the show, Ray Daniels, who we've had up here, had one of the wildest predictions, and I love Ray and sometimes I know Ray's trolling, but I don't. I kind of felt like he believed this one.

[Damaris]

Some people said believe a lot of the things that they say.

[Rory]

Jay is gonna to diss Drake and there'll be a back and forth. He said he's gonna put out an album, not that he's gonna give a little acapella shot at Yankee Stadium. Yeah, but he said Jay gonna put out an album.

[Mall]

Yeah, but Ray also said it was over for Draco. He also said it was over for Drake.

[Rory]

Did he?

[Mall]

Yeah, he said that he was pumping that heavy.

[Rory]

I thought he came up here and complimented him.

[Mall]

No, he said it's over for Drake. He said that he was running around for over a year saying that.

[Rory]

But didn't he come on this couch and say that music has been missing without him? And I thought he complimented Drake. I felt like you're back and forth. He even admitted humbly that you put things in perspective for him.

[Mall]

I know what he was saying for a year before he came up here is what I'm saying. He was very loud about it being over for Drake.

[Rory]

Over.

[Mall]

And I'm like, you know, okay. I don't think Jay is going to just district, though. I don't see that.

[Damaris]

So one thing that we didn't really cover in our last episode and we caught a lot of flack for it is what I'm sure he's responded to or even saying this is because there were allegedly a lot of Jay Z shots on Iceman Chick is up that people assumed were about.

[Mall]

What are the shots?

[Rory]

I mean, I guess it depends your definition of shots. He. He definitely addressed hoving and gave him a few little elbows, in my opinion. Based off putting Kendrick on the Super Bowl. But he said, I'll take the 500. I'll take the 500K. Not the dinner. I never could learn from none of y'. All. That's in regards to the 500k or dinner with Jay Z where you could learn from him and become a mogul instead of.

[Mall]

That's a shot.

[Damaris]

No.

[Mall]

Oh, okay.

[Rory]

But saying I could never learn from y'. All. It's a. It's an elbow. It's a. We're in the paint, and we're going for a rebound, and I give you an elbow. It's not a flagrant. It's just. I'm going up for the rebound.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

That's all that is. And then there was the. We know how. You OGs are rocking already. The jig is up.

[Mall]

That's a shot.

[Rory]

I'm. It's an elbow in the paint.

[Mall]

So where's the shots?

[Rory]

Okay. There was also. Do you remember on Fear when he said, I'll never. I never cry when Pac died, but I probably will when HOV does. And I'll drop a tear for every single thing he showed us. And then in the videos for the stream, he's at a grave, and he has one tear. So the fans are alleging that compared to that line in there in the video, that he's suggesting that he could never learn shit from hov. Didn't learn shit from hov. Now he's at the grave, and he was gonna drop a tear for every single thing that HOV showed us.

[Mall]

Y' all be there. Y' all be doing too much.

[Damaris]

I feel like that's dragged.

[Rory]

Paul, I didn't write this.

[Mall]

I know. I said y'. All. Meaning, like, whoever said that they doing too much?

[Damaris]

No.

[Rory]

Okay. But you do think it's a little lyrical. Elbows on.

[Damaris]

I don't. Yeah. I think that the. I'll take the 500k, not the dinner. I can never learn shit from none of y'. All. That's an elbow. That's a little bit of a shot. I don't. Do we know how you oversee rocking already?

[Kal Penn]

All right.

[Rory]

Come on.

[Mall]

But it's not a shot.

[Rory]

If J just happened to land on that lyric.

[Mall]

It's not a shot of Jay Z himself said to take the 500K. He's. Jay said that out his mouth. Take the 500K.

[Rory]

That. Those two things don't connect.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

All right. But him having a teardrop on his face and.

[Damaris]

No, that was wild.

[Rory]

I thought that was very much a reach, but I just wanted to Laugh for a little bit. All right. HOV has done two B side shows where he had brand new verses. He goes acapella and gives us a new verse, addresses everything that's currently happening. He addressed the nip one at the one that I went to. He addressed him starting title and everything that he went through with Apple and Amazon at the other bside show. I do assume, whether it be Roots Picnic next week or either of these Yankee Stadium shows, we will be getting a new Jay Z verse, not a new song like Acapella that's addressing something that's currently happening bars. I see a world, not the Ray Daniels world that you get a shot, an elbow similar to these. Nothing crazy. I'm just elbowing you back in the paint for the rebound. Okay, Three, no, four shows. Three at Yankee Stadium, one at Roots Picnic, within three months of each other. There's no way. We're not getting Jay to address anything that's going on right now. Okay. And Acapella's happening.

[Mall]

I could see that. I don't know if it'll be a back and forth, though. Like, I don't. I don't know if it'd be that. But. Yeah, that's part of. That's part of the sport, though. Like, you know, rappers say my name and, you know, like you said, a little. Not necessarily a shot, but a little like, you know, my name is in there, though.

[Rory]

But that's the book of hov.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Hope started exactly with Drake, right?

[Mall]

So it's like, okay, like, I heard you.

[Damaris]

Like, all right, so he did learn shit,

[Rory]

and that may be in the freestyle callback.

[Mall]

Yeah, but I mean. Yeah, I guess I don't know if it'll be a back and forth, though, that I don't see. I don't see a back and forth happening. But, I mean, I definitely see Jay giving us new bars and, you know, maybe over an original beat or something that we haven't heard yet and him having some type of rebuttal to. You know what I mean? Yeah. You niggas running to talk to HOV for a second opinion.

[Rory]

I don't think that was a shot at hov.

[Mall]

I think, no, it wasn't a shot, but I could see Jay kind of like playing off of that maybe. But the back and forth and the diss and all of that.

[Damaris]

No, no, that shit has never happen.

[Mall]

I don't see Jay dissing Drake.

[Damaris]

Nah, it's never happening.

[Mall]

No, I don't see that happening. I would be very surprised if Jay disses Drake like I would be very surprised. Do I hear a rebuttal and a little, like, I caught that bar and like, a little, like, response to the bar? Yeah, for sure. That's part of the sport. That's hip hop, that's rap. But a diss, like disrespect and then like, back and forth. I don't see that. Yeah, no.

[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

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[Rory]

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[Rory]

Visit Wells Fargo.com autographjourney Terms apply. Well, while we're on festival, sorry to get a little local, but Summer Jam put out their lineup and I think it looks great. It's a little confusing.

[Damaris]

Yeah, confused the.

[Rory]

Out of me, actually, I was very, very confused. It's the experience from 7pm to 11pm, but the main stage starts at 8. So my guess is they're going to just have people come out during DJ sets. And I promise, I'm not saying that they bit Palooza or child's drums or anything, but I'm saying like a palooza when you're at a party and then performers just come out to perform their biggest records and then you go back to DJ set and back to artists,

[Damaris]

which means that they gotta pay them less because they're probably coming out in performance 100%.

[Rory]

Yep. Two records, not a full set. We'll handle all the production. Yeah, you don't need dancers, you don't need a lighting guy. We got it all.

[Damaris]

Yeah. The biggest party to ever hit an arena. Yeah, man, they cutting them corners, ain't they?

[Rory]

Don't do that to Hot 97.

[Damaris]

They are. I mean, I get it. Like it's expensive to throw these shits now.

[Rory]

Like hell yeah. But no, I mean, I think the lineup is. Is cool. The 7pm main stage is all our guys bars there and then you got the party afterwards. And I think a welcome home to Fetty Wap. I assume Fetty's gonna close the show. That's a huge moment in Newark. Like, I think it's for. For what they have budget wise and where everything is at, where Hot 97 is at. I think they did a great job of putting together a good event.

[Damaris]

Who you think they're gonna be loudest? The loudest for outside of Fetty Wap. Let's be messy,

[Rory]

yo. They, in my opinion, they got the baby's name way too small.

[Damaris]

I literally, I would literally was about to say the baby thing needs to

[Rory]

be the Size of the experience.

[Damaris]

He's going to have the loudest when they play that song. Especially if it's advertised as, like, a party. When they play that song, that. That arena is gonna go insane.

[Rory]

If you give Baby five records, he's. It'll be. It'll be tough to find pop.

[Damaris]

That is one of the biggest songs right now in hip hop pop that you can't go nowhere without hearing that song in Jersey.

[Rory]

French. I mean, French is always gonna be French. So. Yeah, I would say the Baby or French Montana. Okay. Would have the biggest, I think. I mean, I don't. Does the younger crowd go? I haven't been to one in a long time. I. Spice. If she twerks. I mean, I think she'll do the spongebob song.

[Damaris]

Honey Baby Ice Spice Da Baby G. Herbo has a very young crowd, too, though.

[Rory]

Yeah. Cash Cobain. And I'm not saying Cash Cobain is local by any means. I'm saying when he's local, it's even crazier.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Sleep Apollo 41. Those are all very young. That's a young crowd.

[Rory]

And they make music at party, too, so. No, I think they did well, man.

[Damaris]

Shout out to them.

[Mall]

Yeah. Fetty gonna have that going crazy, though.

[Rory]

Nuts. I. That. That would be the reason I would go. I would go upper deck to stay away from the party, but I'd buy the cheap seats just to watch. But. All right, we get to see Kaz host.

[Damaris]

Okay. As a hosting.

[Rory]

Yeah. Host Nessa Mornings with marrow team. And DJ Drew Ski Flex is DJing the experience. So, you know, there'll be a lot of yelling.

[Damaris]

Oh, he gonna yell over all the records.

[Rory]

It's gonna be an experience.

[Damaris]

Don't hate.

[Mall]

Don't hate.

[Damaris]

We gotta do what they gotta do, man. At least it's still going on, so.

[Rory]

No, for sure. I'm. Listen, we. I feel like we've been one of the few pods over the last five years that has championed Summer Jam, taking the pivot they had to take. Like, you can't complain. They don't try to do local.

[Mall]

They definitely do.

[Rory]

And I mean, if you like the local, that's on you.

[Damaris]

Yeah. We're gonna talk about Max B saying only three New York rappers is better than him. Or y' all just want to skip straight to sports.

[Mall]

Wait, what? Max said

[Damaris]

only Big J and Nas better than him In New York, all time rappers debate.

[Rory]

And they was on Gillian Wallow. And didn't Wallow bring up Big Daddy Kane. And he said Big Daddy Kane was irrelevant.

[Jacob Goldstein]

Yeah,

[Damaris]

yeah.

[Rory]

Which I understood why Max B had the reaction he had. And I get Wallow's point as well. Like, Big Daddy King still tours every year. He's relevant in a legacy ACT world. But I can see why Max, like, scoffed at that entire thing.

[Damaris]

He said he ahead of Rakim, too. Y' all so disrespectful to women.

[Rory]

Who did he say?

[Damaris]

He said he bigger than Rakim and Big Daddy Kane. But Nicki Minaj is way bigger than, like. Like, I just need us all to be for real. And I don't like how her name doesn't get mentioned. But, I mean, you know, he said Big.

[Rory]

Big J and Nas were the only ones. He wasn't.

[Damaris]

Yeah, Big J and I was only ones bigger than him.

[Rory]

All right, man, shout out to Max

[Mall]

B. Yeah, shout out. Yo, that's where I'm at. That's where I'm at when start saying like that. Yo, listen, shout out Max, man. Like, you know, I mean, what you want me to say? If that's how he feel like, you know, all right, cool. I'm not here to. You know what I'm saying?

[Damaris]

Bet he said nobody has the catalog that he has.

[Rory]

Nah, dmx? Nobody.

[Mall]

No, shout out Max, dog. Like, that's where I'm at in life, man. It you say whatever the. Y', all.

[Rory]

If I beat a body, I'd feel like I better. Everybody, too.

[Mall]

You know what I'm saying?

[Damaris]

None of you beat a body. What's really the criteria for male hip hop artists? None of you beat a body.

[Rory]

That being a criteria on the best male hip hop artist? Did they beat a body? Yeah, check.

[Damaris]

That's one of them. How y' all feeling as Knicks fans? Y' all felt good for y'. All.

[Rory]

I mean, when. When we're recording this right now. Game two is in a few hours.

[Damaris]

God damn. Y' all can't clap. Speed it.

[Mall]

Yeah, I thought it was, like, it's only one game. Settle to settle the troops.

[Rory]

That's hate.

[Mall]

Nah, listen, I'm just saying.

[Rory]

No, that's. That's.

[Mall]

I've been here before. I've seen this.

[Rory]

That's seven games in a row.

[Mall]

Tonight's game. We're recording this on a Thursday?

[Rory]

Yes, I already said that. We recording this hours before game two. But we already know the Knicks is up 2 0. You can quote me on that one.

[Mall]

You standing on that?

[Rory]

Absolutely. If we win tonight, it's a sweep.

[Mall]

Big box of business standing on.

[Rory]

We looking at. We looking like the. Was it the 01 Lakers that swept all the way. Except for one game to the Sixers.

[Damaris]

He talking, ain't he? He gonna talk y' all right. Into a hole.

[Mall]

Oh, they better win tonight.

[Rory]

Went right down 95. Swept up that whole city.

[Mall]

Took the brooms to Philly.

[Rory]

What's. What's. What's Cleveland? What is that? I75. We just going that way now.

[Mall]

Sweep all of that. Get up everywhere.

[Rory]

No, I'm. I'm talking. Y' all know I'm so nervous as a Knicks fan that everything is going good.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And that. That's never happened, so I'm terrified. We'll see.

[Damaris]

We'll see.

[Rory]

We look good, though.

[Mall]

They do look good. That was a tough one. Last. Was that Monday night.

[Damaris]

Oh, my God, y'.

[Rory]

All.

[Damaris]

I had a dream. Who's the tall nigga that played for the Knicks? The tall Doofy one. He always falling. I can't stand him.

[Rory]

Mitch is not Doofy.

[Damaris]

Mitchell. I had a dream I was playing one on one against him. I swear to God.

[Mall]

Do we have voicemails?

[Damaris]

I swear to God. Ball. You know how you forget you had a dream until something like just. I had a dream. I was playing 101.

[Mall]

You had a dream that you was playing Mitchell Robinson.

[Rory]

101.

[Damaris]

I swear, my life. Forgot. I had a dream.

[Rory]

Did he fall?

[Damaris]

No, obviously I did. But, yeah, it was crazy. It was crazy.

[Rory]

You should DM him right now and say, hey, I had a dream about you, and just see what his reply is. And then he could say, what was he doing? And he said, one on one.

[Mall]

Damaris dreaming that she playing Mitchell Robinson.

[Damaris]

That shit was so weird. I completely forgot.

[Mall]

You didn't get a bucket.

[Rory]

There's no way you got.

[Damaris]

No, I definitely got a bucket. I definitely got a bucket. I crossed them at least once time.

[Rory]

Mitchell's having trouble. Yeah.

[Mall]

Hold on, man. Yeah, I hit Damaris with the not. Definitely got a bucket.

[Damaris]

I definitely got a bucket. You think I'm a loser in my own dreams? Come on, now, bro.

[Mall]

Yo, I definitely got a bucket. It's hilarious.

[Rory]

It was a jump. It was a jump shot. Or you. You took it to the. To the hole?

[Damaris]

No, I took it to the hole.

[Rory]

All right. It was a reverse layup. Like, give us.

[Damaris]

I don't remember all that exactly, but I remember, like, it was like a cross cross. And then I ran up and I took it to the hall.

[Mall]

That getting punched dream or not,

[Damaris]

I had, like, three files. I kept. I remember, keep.

[Rory]

I kept even tracks of files, and

[Damaris]

one on one is I kept following him. That was A crazy ass dream. I cannot believe I forgot I had that.

[Rory]

You could hang on his bicep and he still dumb.

[Damaris]

Yo.

[Mall]

Yo. Damaris is crazy. Yo. What you ate before you went to sleep that night?

[Damaris]

I don't know.

[Rory]

It was a steak.

[Mall]

You had a steak?

[Damaris]

It was a Tuesday. No, salmon, rice and broccolini.

[Mall]

Yeah. What you had, what you drank, though?

[Damaris]

Prune juice.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's what it was. That's what got you. It was the prune.

[Rory]

Cleared your system out and the only thing left was Mitch the Prune.

[Mall]

It's the prune.

[Damaris]

The prune.

[Mall]

The prune. Don't do that again. Don't drink no prune before bed.

[Rory]

Yo.

[Damaris]

Hey, y'.

[Mall]

All. And drinking prune juice with dinner is crazy.

[Damaris]

I drink prune juice regularly. I gotta see. You gotta stay regular. I said I'm an adult woman.

[Mall]

Like, oh, I'm regular.

[Rory]

Clear out the system.

[Mall]

Yeah, I'm regular. I ain't got that problem. But prune juice with a meal.

[Damaris]

Yeah. I like the taste of prune juice, though.

[Mall]

Okay. Yeah.

[Rory]

So. So what'd y' all play for?

[Damaris]

Oh, I don't remember all of that. Yeah, I don't remember.

[Mall]

You just remember you scored. We was in the garden.

[Damaris]

Whatever. Y', all, I know y' all had some unrealistic dreams before.

[Rory]

I know you don't for sure.

[Damaris]

In one of your dreams, I got a better chance of crossing him than you got a Halle Berry.

[Mall]

Me and him, but I don't know one of y'.

[Damaris]

All. Somebody had that dream before. I've had that dream before. None of y'. All. Cali Berry, Y' all dreams?

[Mall]

No.

[Rory]

No. I wish I could train my brain to do that, though.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Ma was breathing on her shoot.

[Rory]

Or shoot, man. Come on. I'd respect him if he didn't got to.

[Mall]

That's a young child running wild. That's all I was.

[Rory]

So you don't remember the score before we close?

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

I mean, maybe. Maybe it's double or nothing tonight when you go to sleep.

[Mall]

It's you and Max, y'. All. The biggest in New York. Don't trip. Hopefully the Knicks get this W tonight, though. They need it.

[Rory]

Yeah. Before we get to voicemails, Black Love is the New Gangster is out right now. I heard it this week at his listening event, and it sounded incredible. So please take some time today to go listen to Black's new album. Vince Staples White Flag single is out as well. Majid Jordan Cold, which is a single, and French. And Max B Wave Gods, too. They have another project out as well. So some music to listen to.

[Mall]

Always good to have some good music to listen to.

[Rory]

And listen. I'm always here from A J.

[Mall]

Not just in general, but, you know, this will be a lot of fluffing. It'll be a lot of out fluff in the atmosphere.

[Rory]

I. I would. I would like a good a Magid summer.

[Mall]

Majid. Now you on mine. You on my type. Why you. My. That's my.

[Rory]

Come on.

[Mall]

You know. That's my. Why you can't let nobody.

[Rory]

You don't even consider Majid EP a classic.

[Mall]

That's why you can't even let nobody. Y' all killed me for that. For some years, too. Then you went back. He's like, nah, that was hard.

[Rory]

The four track EP that was introduced to us.

[Mall]

No, the. The album.

[Rory]

Oh, the first album. Yeah, that.

[Mall]

It.

[Rory]

It aged well. Yeah, but I didn't hate it. I just. I was coming off the four track ep.

[Mall]

He wasn't vibing like how I was vibing. He was like, nah, I don't know. It was all right.

[Rory]

You were still on post. Molly was hard.

[Mall]

That was hard. That was hard. From the gate. From the gate. That was hard. Do we have voicemails? You've got mail.

[Damaris]

We do.

[Mall]

From who?

[Rory]

What's up, guys? So I just see a crazy post. I immediately thought y' all had to get y' all take on that. So essentially, people are taking their messages with their ex, girlfriend, boyfriend, whoever put it into AI and essentially creating an AI generated version of their ex that they can continue a relationship with through messaging. And I thought this was one of the scariest usages of AI I've seen yet. Jeffrey the sad is probably the sickest, but I had to get y' all take. I mean, mall straight off, off the rib. I know you would not be about it, but Rory Tamaris, I can see y' all experimenting a little bit around with it. So let me know what y' all think. Love y'.

[Kal Penn]

All. Love the pod.

[Rory]

Talk to y' all soon. Peace. Why would I want to argue with AI?

[Damaris]

I wrote Chat GBT and said, can you pretend to be my ex? And they say, yeah, tell me what your ex was like. How you want the conversation to feel Comforting, realistic, toxic, like closure, apology and argumentative. And who starts the conversation? Yeah, I just wrote him and said, can you pretend to be my ex?

[Mall]

And you know what's funny? Before the marriage said that, I said, she would definitely be the one to do that.

[Damaris]

I would not do that. I would do it for fun. Like, I Just did.

[Mall]

You would definitely take your ex's text, put them in Chat GPT and, like, use it for future arguments with that nigga. Yes, you would.

[Damaris]

I would not. I don't need that. You know how good I am.

[Rory]

Go find an argument like, you just at home bored. Like, you know what? Let me. Let me argue with ChatGPT real quick in the spirit of my ex. I know a lot of that's a sickness.

[Damaris]

That is scary. I mean, I know a lot of people who have Chat GPT craft their responses in arguments with their partner and stuff like that. I always thought that that was weird.

[Rory]

I think it's weird, too.

[Damaris]

That's weird.

[Mall]

But, yeah, that's very weird.

[Rory]

And I feel like you could tell, like, if I've been dating someone for a year and all of a sudden now you're using, like, proper English, I would. I'd catch on that you don't even

[Damaris]

talk this way now, but you can make it sound like you, like, talk like me.

[Mall]

Talk like me. Argue like, I would.

[Damaris]

I'm about to say argue with my ex. Like, I would.

[Rory]

Well, all right, so what's sicker? Doing that or creating a new partner in AI? Like, no, I think getting a new girlfriend on AI is sicker.

[Mall]

Yeah, of course that's sicker.

[Rory]

Like. Like. Oh, no, both are equally sick.

[Mall]

But going back and forth with a. A program. Software about.

[Rory]

There's a whole movie. What's it called? Her.

[Mall]

Well, like, now that I think has

[Rory]

to be an argument. Like, nice text.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Why Jokingly said, oh, it'd be an

[Mall]

argument going back and forth with some program that is that, you know, is not a real person.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

And, like, engaging back and forth in conversation romantically. Because it would have to be romantic if it's an ex.

[Rory]

Right?

[Mall]

That's. That's insane. That might be the definition of insanity.

[Rory]

Have you. Have you seen the movie Her? This was well before, like, AI was a thing.

[Mall]

I believe. So. Yeah.

[Rory]

Yes. It's shot really well. It's dope. Yeah. The funniest part of that entire movie is when he asks her, how many other people are you talking to? And it's like an astronomical. That's the craziest body count number I've ever heard in my. Like, he starts melting down when she's like, well, I'm talking to 6 billion people.

[Mall]

Yeah. What did you think?

[Rory]

And he can't handle that.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

AI is scaring me because I told him I'm like, argue with my. I was like, argue as if you're me. Like, you're tired of my ex taking advantage of you. And they. I was like. But word it like me and like the little things that they throw in there. First of all, they put my. Honestly in there. They put my. They put my. You think I'd never leave, never get fed up, never stop seeing the good in you. I gave you grace. In situations, most people would have been done over. You take my kindness as weakness, and it's actually irritating.

[Rory]

Why are they talking like you're the Chat GPT in this situation?

[Damaris]

Why are they talking like me?

[Rory]

Wait, so did you upload your text messages or something?

[Damaris]

No, I just asked. To talk like me? I said, how do they know how you talk? Well, I talk to ChatGPT regularly. Not as if they're my ex, but about just random things. So I use like, I'll ask ChatGPT

[Rory]

a question, but it's just a sentence. Like, I don't think they would.

[Damaris]

My prompts that I use for. Are very, like.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Damaris]

Because I've used Chat GPT for to help write bios. Creative things. So. And to make it sound more realistic, I had to.

[Rory]

Got it.

[Damaris]

You know, make it sound like me. So.

[Rory]

That's scary.

[Mall]

I'm.

[Damaris]

Yeah, scary.

[Rory]

Well, what happens when people start doing that with dead family members? This is going to ruin grief. Because if you're trying to do this with your ex, to talk to your ex, still, it's going to move to family members.

[Damaris]

I could see people doing that.

[Rory]

That.

[Mall]

See, Talk to your dead loved ones.

[Rory]

I thought it was really sweet when Kanye did that whatever AI generated thing for Kim's birthday where her dad, like, talked to her for her birthday. I thought that was sweet. Stop it there.

[Mall]

That should have been a lot.

[Rory]

Cut it right. Cut it right there. Beautiful moment. You haven't heard your father's voice. AI can make your father's voice. It was a nice birthday message. You get to see it. Stop it there. The moment she could just start talking to her pops. Now we're wouldn't. No. People want to. You think people handle grief bad now?

[Mall]

Yeah, that, that, that. That will cause a lot of mental problems. More than we already have.

[Rory]

I watched. I've watched my mom go to so many mediums and stand in lines for all that daytime television shit to talk to my cousin. Lose her mind. Imagine if she could sit at home all day and talk to her. Lose your fucking mind. This is bad. It's not just going to stop at the X thing.

[Mall]

No, no, Definitely not.

[Rory]

It's. It's. Now I want to know how if we. If we put in Mitch's text messages how she talked to her ex into Chad gbt yo talk to me the way Mitch talked to her ex.

[Mall]

You don't. You definitely do not want that.

[Rory]

That'd be more entertaining.

[Mall]

He definitely do not want that.

[Damaris]

Wait, hold on. I'm gonna ask it to talk to me like I'm. Argue with me like you're mall. Because that's another thing why reason why they can talk to me and you ain't gonna get no response.

[Mall]

They're not gonna argue. I don't argue. It's going to shut off.

[Rory]

That's all. It's going to shut off.

[Mall]

That shit going to shut off. That's all that shit going.

[Rory]

Turn the water system off.

[Damaris]

The reason why they're also able to mimic my tone is because if you ask ChatGPT who I am, they know who I am. They also know who you two are. So they can pull up because of what we do for a living. Examples of how we talk and analyze that through a computer. Not I, but let's be real for a second. You do this.

[Mall]

That's supposed to be me?

[Rory]

Yeah, that's definitely.

[Damaris]

Nobody's forcing you to keep extended grace after the eighth red flag demerits. First of all.

[Rory]

First of all, pretty spot on.

[Damaris]

This is mad funny. This is actually very funny.

[Mall]

Wait, that's supposed to be me?

[Damaris]

That's supposed to be you.

[Mall]

I never said that.

[Rory]

You would say something like that though.

[Mall]

No, I would not. I've never said that in my life.

[Damaris]

I said this is too deep. Make it more surface level like mall.

[Rory]

Jesus Christ.

[Mall]

Get out.

[Rory]

Shut up.

[Damaris]

Oh, they said he is quoting me and said nah. See, this is your problem right here. You always taking advantage of my kindness, bro. Maybe he just don't with you. Okay, that's fine. I'm not saying he right. I'm saying you'd be acting surprised every time somebody show you exactly who they are. If a dog bark every Tuesday, why are you shocked on Thursday? Damaris also, you definitely sent that long ass paragraph home.

[Rory]

You definitely get a riddle like that from your mom.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's me. I'll get that off.

[Rory]

Well done.

[Damaris]

Throw a little random riddle in there, bro.

[Rory]

Mama's definitely told him dogs bark on Tuesday.

[Mall]

Random little saying, 1,000%. All right, Rory. Well, I don't know what you're doing this weekend, but I'm sure you'll be outside somewhere.

[Rory]

Maybe.

[Mall]

You already said you're gonna be outside.

[Rory]

Maybe if I get a babysitter.

[Mall]

If The Knicks win. I'm going outside.

[Damaris]

No, if the Knicks win, you stay your ass in the house. You're not going outside. Outside gonna be terrible if they win.

[Mall]

I'm gonna be on side talk. I'm be. I'm gonna be everywhere if the Knicks wins. If they win tonight, I'm everywhere. I'm going outside this week.

[Rory]

We were watching the game at the gala and we leaving Joey's like, let's run by the Garden.

[Damaris]

I was like, bro, run by the Garden.

[Rory]

No, we're not.

[Mall]

You don't want to do.

[Rory]

We're not running by the Garden.

[Mall]

No. All right. Baby, did you in town this weekend?

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

I gotta ask. You know, I gotta ask you too, cuz. It ain't no telling with you. I'm in town, you in town. We're so lucky to have you this weekend. All right, well, we'll talk to y' all soon. Be safe, be blessed. I'm that nigga. He's just ging peace.

[Rory]

No worry.

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