Episode 498 | Hard as Nailz

Summary

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New Rory & MAL

Episode 498 | Hard as Nailz
Date: May 26, 2026

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Episode Overview

On this Memorial Day episode, Rory, Mal, and Ryan mix irreverent banter, cultural commentary, and music talk with humorous reflections on Memorial Day, war movies, rap beefs, sports, AI’s creep into music, and much more. The episode's mood is laid-back and often tongue-in-cheek, packed with laughs, pop culture arguments, playful debates, and memorable personal stories.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Memorial Day Musings & War Movies

Timestamps: 02:48 - 07:00

• The crew reflects on Memorial Day, recognizing the difference between Memorial Day and Veterans Day.
  • Rory: "The dead ones, though. Veterans Day is for the ones that's still alive." (03:30)
• Personal stories about family service and military honors, like getting a folded flag.
• Banter about war movies and their place in American culture:
  • Ryan names "Lone Survivor" as the best, Mall and Rory debate "American Sniper" and "Black Hawk Down," comment on war movies as propaganda but say they still enjoy them.
  • Mall: "I like war movies. Even if it’s propaganda and you’re lying to me, I feel American afterwards." (05:03)

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2. Rory’s “Hard as Nails” Christian Rapper Past

Timestamps: 07:13 - 08:59

• Rory shares he was once in a Christian rap group called “Hard as Nails.”
  • Rory: "It was called Hard as Nails. It was, like, giving cultish." (07:38)
• Hilarious group riffing on awkward Christian activities and church camp memories.

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3. NYC Life, Knicks Playoff Hopes & Watching the Game

Timestamps: 09:29 - 12:20

• The trio bemoans the rainy holiday weekend, with Mal and Ryan staying in, Rory recalling bar outings with friends watching the Knicks.
  • Mall laughs at New York bar minimums: "That's a drink in Brooklyn." (11:30)
• Excitement and (playful) superstition about the Knicks making the Finals; jokes about bringing brooms to the bar for a sweep.

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4. Tech Changes: Coffee Shops and Customer Experience

Timestamps: 12:36 - 13:49

• Mall vents about new coffee shop policies that require using an app, comparing it to the “eBay store” joke in 40-Year-Old Virgin.
  • Mall: “I can literally just give you the money. Take these with me. That's not how it works.” (13:31)
• Critique of digital convenience making life less convenient.

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5. Music Drops & Industry Rundown

Timestamps: 14:48 - 16:55

• Mall plugs his upcoming single with Lucky Day and Black Odyssey, “Still Be Mine.”
• They review Black's new album "Love is the New Gangster."
  • Mall: "He might rival your goat with the pen. Mariah's [at] Black's level as far as pen goes." (16:01)
• Quick mention of the overload of recent music, especially Drake’s 42-track output.

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6. DJ Head, Rap Beefs & West Coast/East Coast Dynamics

Timestamps: 17:03 - 24:39

• The group discusses DJ Head editing out Drake’s disses to Kendrick and Mustard from "Too Hard for the Radio," poking fun at the idea.
  • Mall: "I think that clip of him saying he removed the disses off too hard for the radio is worse than J. Cole deleting his disses." (18:42)
• Discussion of regional hip-hop tensions; DJ Head claims Drake is "dividing the Bay and LA."
  • Ryan: "It’s the number one song in San Francisco on Apple right now. I don’t know who is afraid to play it." (18:30)
• Humorous speculation about what a “diss-less” edit could even mean; critiques about over-sensitivity and selective censorship in hip-hop.

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7. Universally Loved Artists You Don't Like

Timestamps: 32:29 - 38:52

• The panel debates whether it's possible not to like a megastar like Drake, Eminem, Nicki Minaj, or Future.
  • Mall admits he "gives Eminem a lot of flack, but I would never say that I hate Eminem. But his first three albums, I think are incredible." (32:52)
• Discussion about biases, how some people never move past early impressions, and why taste is subjective—even for superstars.
  • Rory: "People are critiquing singles... They don’t really know the discographies." (34:43)
• Jokes about never finding a Playboi Carti song they like.

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8. AI Covers & The Music Industry

Timestamps: 49:56 - 55:15

• Spotify and Universal roll out an AI cover/remix feature. Mixed reactions — skepticism and some amusement.
  • Mall: "Nobody asked for this. I don't think fans want this. I don't think artists want this." (50:33)
  • Rory wonders how credit and payment would work if a user-generated AI song goes viral.
• Parallels drawn to the old T-Pain Auto-Tune app and the overall trend of technology encroaching on artistry.

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9. Nostalgic Tangents: Childhood Oddities

Timestamps: 55:46 - 58:02

• Hilarious reminiscences about childhood: singing into fans, sniffing glue, flipping eyelids, cracking knuckles, and pro wrestling moves.
  • Rory: "You look like a kid that turns your eyelids inside out." (56:22)
• Mall admits he never did any of that weird kid stuff.

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10. Knicks Legends & NYC Sports Debate

Timestamps: 48:07 - 49:56

• Spirited debate on all-time Knicks greats if they win the Finals—Brunson, Ewing, Sprewell, Melo, etc.
  • Mall: "Brunson's already top five to me... that's no disrespect to Mellow, but I would put Mellow at five, but Brunson would be at four without winning a chip." (48:29)

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11. Jim Jones vs Cam’ron Versus Challenge

Timestamps: 63:55 - 71:35

• Jim Jones calls out Cam’ron for a Verzuz at the Apollo. The crew analyzes the possibility, odds, and why it probably won’t (and maybe shouldn’t) happen.
  • Mall: "Jimmy post half of his career has been by far the best Dipset member... But objectively... I don't know if that's going to be a fun night for Jim." (65:42)
• Discussion of logistics, potential setlist issues, security, and Harlem politics.
  • Ryan: “It’s a different type of energy with Jimmy and Cam now... I think disrespect has gone too far.” (64:56)
• Audience laughs at internet comments: "He must be talking about Jada, cuz that’s the reason y’all lost."

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12. Social Voicemails: Features & Rap Politics

Timestamps: 76:47 - 80:31

• Listener voicemail clumsily compares JID/J. Cole to Lil Wayne/Drake features. The crew corrects it with jokes and mild roasting.
  • Rory: “You know what? Y’all be giving the Owls. This is why the Owls be hooting... because y’all be saying dumb shit like this.” (79:01)

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13. Ray J Gets Knocked Out (and Other Celebrity Boxing)

Timestamps: 72:25 - 75:40

• The team reflects with humor and concern about Ray J getting KO’d in a recent celebrity MMA match (set up by Aiden Ross), and examines the whole influencer boxing/MMA trend.

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14. AI and Estates: Ethics of Posthumous Content

Timestamps: 42:18 - 44:57

• Discussion about Rich Homie Quan’s estate releasing AI-generated music.
  • Mall: "It’s just tone deaf... your own family member is a little crazy. But again, everyone grieves different... I think it’s distasteful." (42:52)
• Playful debate about whether they'd allow their own likeness to be AI-generated after death.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Ryan: "If you don't got a folded flag in your crib, you're not a real. You need to fold the flag in your grandmother crib." (04:03)
• Mall: "Mel Gibson single handedly won us the war. Like, the reason we have these United States is because of Mel Gibson." (06:27)
• Rory: "People don't be outside moving around, Pookie." (27:07)
• Mall: "There's probably people that don't like pizza. They exist." (37:43)
• Ryan: "Sometimes things are not for you. Yes, I agree with that." (38:07)
• Mall: “I would say AI Rich Homie Quan is not for me.” (42:18)

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Flow & Tone

The episode is relaxed, witty, and sometimes rambunctious. All hosts participate with a blend of sincerity and snark, offering personal reminiscences and boisterous, authentic arguments about music, sports, and pop culture. Running jokes (e.g., AI, getting put in the Boston Crab, DJ beefs) keep the energy high and inviting for regular listeners.

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Timestamps Guide to Important Segments

• [02:48–07:00] – Memorial Day & War Movies
• [07:13–08:59] – Rory’s “Hard as Nails” Christian Rap Past
• [09:29–12:20] – NYC Weather, Knicks & Bar Antics
• [14:48–16:55] – Music Industry: New Singles & Albums
• [17:03–24:39] – DJ Head, Rap Disses & West Coast Debate
• [32:29–38:52] – Universally Loved Artists You Don’t Like
• [49:56–55:15] – Spotify/UMG AI Cover Feature
• [63:55–71:35] – Jim Jones vs Cam’ron Verzuz Discussion
• [76:47–80:31] – Listener Voicemail: Rap Feature Politics
• [72:25–75:40] – Ray J & Celebrity MMA

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Summary Takeaway

This episode is a comedic, free-flowing ride through music beefs, nostalgia, sports pride, and social commentary, all filtered through the unique lens of the New Rory & Mal crew. It's a must-hear for listeners who enjoy lively debates, music insights, and a heavy dose of unserious, authentic group chemistry.

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Transcript

[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

put on this earth to do.

[Ryan]

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[Mall]

We want to make the healthcare system better for everyone.

[Ryan]

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[Mall]

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[Sponsor/Announcer]

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[Mall]

No conductor.

[Rory]

Call my phone next time I call out of work.

[Ryan]

Next time you call out of work, you want me to call your phone and tell you I need you? I'm gonna say more than that. If you're not here the next time we're recording and if I come in here, you're not here we're ready to record. I'm gonna call your phone to say more than I need you. It's gonna be a little different. Our conversation is gonna go a little differently. Where the you at?

[Mall]

You're fired.

[Ryan]

She backed Shebang.

[Mall]

Welcome back. Happy Memorial Day.

[Ryan]

It is Memorial Day.

[Mall]

Yes.

[Ryan]

Yes, it is.

[Mall]

Shout out to all the troops.

[Ryan]

Yes. Thank you for your services.

[Mall]

Yes. And we, we are. We are working today to honor the troops.

[Ryan]

Yes. That's how we are.

[Rory]

The dead ones, though. Veterans Day is for the ones that's still alive.

[Ryan]

Yes. Well, it's both. Really. Yeah.

[Rory]

Well, veterans is for dead alive, but Memorial is just for dead.

[Ryan]

Okay. Memorial. Yep. Yeah, I get it. I get. I get where it's tied in that memory. Memorial. Yeah. Somewhere in there is memories.

[Mall]

Yeah. My grandfather served in the Navy. He's dead, but not from like war.

[Ryan]

Still a war hero, though.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Like, they still had like the Navy sent like, you know, five 21 year olds to his funeral that didn't know who he was. Salute.

[Ryan]

We honor him.

[Rory]

You not a real. If you don't got a folded flag in your crib or your grandma don't got a folded flag in their crib. If nobody in your family, like, was once like in the services.

[Mall]

Wait, but don't you get the photo flag if they jives.

[Rory]

Yeah. If none of your ancestors died and they would like, died and they were troops, like, you're not no real. You need to fold the flag in your grandmother crib.

[Mall]

My cousin got shot in the leg in North Africa.

[Rory]

We know he alive.

[Mall]

We didn't get a flag. Yeah. Walking fine. Okay.

[Rory]

The flag is when they die.

[Ryan]

He was in war in North Africa.

[Mall]

Yeah. It's like when it was the Iraq, Afghanistan, Africa, like Benghazi area. Whatever the it was. I don't really be known.

[Rory]

There's a Navy SEALS documentary that's on, I think hbo Max or Netflix right now that I was watching Netflix, I think.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And it was about the Seal Team 6. It showed like them we'll did the reenactments of them, like killing bin Laden and all of that stuff. Y' all should watch it. It was interesting.

[Mall]

Did you ever see Zero Dark Thirty?

[Rory]

No.

[Mall]

That's the. The movie about that whole thing. It's good. I like war movies. Even if it's propaganda and you're lying to me. I'm here, like, salute. I feel American afterwards. Like, whatever. Mark Wahlberg wants to do a war, I'm here for it. Okay.

[Ryan]

Yeah. Long Survive is the greatest one, though.

[Mall]

That movie gave me so much anxiety. Like I don't even get anxiety watching movies. I was like, literally my heart was pumping.

[Ryan]

Yeah, that was. That was like a great, great movie. I love that movie.

[Rory]

Not American Sniper. I liked American Sniper.

[Mall]

Another great propaganda machine.

[Ryan]

Yeah, it was good too.

[Mall]

Yeah, I liked it. I didn't know the real story. Like. Yeah, I didn't go into it knowing who Chris Kyle was. So the ending, like really? I was like. Wait, wait, did I just read that correctly? Yeah, I didn't know that story. But American Sniper was really good.

[Ryan]

Yeah, great movie. Blackhawk now classic. Never seen Black Hawk Down. Oh man, you gotta see Blackhawk now. What's the one with. With Brad Pitt Fury when they was in the tank.

[Mall]

Oh, with Shia LaBeouf?

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Mall]

No, that's.

[Ryan]

That's far another great movie.

[Rory]

LeBeau his French labelle.

[Ryan]

Lebouf tell this is an Irishman.

[Mall]

What's the one where Mel Gibson is a serial killer with his kids?

[Ryan]

Mission Impossible.

[Mall]

Where did you get. No, give them the Patriot.

[Ryan]

The Patriot.

[Mall]

Well, he's just slaughtering every. Slaughters all the native Americans, takes their, their tools and then just slaughters all the British.

[Ryan]

Yeah, the Patriot.

[Mall]

Mel Gibson single handedly won us the war. Like the reason why we have these United States is because of Mel Gibson.

[Ryan]

Yeah. Y' all remember how big of an actor Mel Gibson was in the 90s?

[Rory]

N. I was born like halfway through the Mr.

[Ryan]

Classics. I mean Classics.

[Mall]

He is really the only actor that. That, that beat the. The allegations of that group of people.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Mall]

And lived to tell about it. Charlie Sheen tried. They got rid of him. They got rid of that tiger blood real quick. Kanye tried Adidas. Mel Gibson kind of made his way through with those leaked phone calls.

[Ryan]

Yeah, yeah. Shout out to Mel Gibson, man.

[Mall]

Legend, good people being anti Semitic and then making the Passion is a wild story. You know, I've never seen the Passion before.

[Ryan]

Passion of Christ.

[Mall]

I've never seen it. I was young when it came out and I just never got around to it. Like when I got older I had

[Rory]

to watch in like church.

[Ryan]

In church. That made you watch that.

[Rory]

I went to like a. Almost like at one point. Remember I was a Christian rapper, like a kind of like.

[Ryan]

I did not remember you being a Christian rapper, baby.

[Rory]

Yeah, we talked about it.

[Mall]

But I went to like my friend Disciple Jeff

[Rory]

Morgan. No, he looks memories.

[Ryan]

Okay.

[Rory]

Yeah, it was called Hard as Nails. Yeah. But it was like giving cultish. Like I used to go do like retreats in New Hampshire.

[Ryan]

And the name of your single was Hard as Nails.

[Rory]

No, that was, like, the name of the. The church and the group.

[Ryan]

The name of the church was Hard As Nails.

[Rory]

I'm telling you, it was some white occultist shit.

[Ryan]

The name of your church was Hard As Nails. Like, it said it outside of Nails Ministry.

[Rory]

Yeah, okay.

[Mall]

In their defense, as a Christian, we do just keep a huge death sentence, literally in the church. Like, we wear jewelry of death.

[Ryan]

Yeah, but you.

[Mall]

Of nails, like him nailed to the crow like that. That's our logo. But, like, that's our Jerry.

[Ryan]

Nails being the name of the.

[Rory]

I told you it was some weird. It was somewhere. Oh, there go Justin. Yeah.

[Ryan]

Making a world where no one suffers alone. Yeah. Yeah.

[Mall]

Jesus said I used to go to,

[Rory]

like, it was, like, all white people. And, like, I remember I went to, like, a retreat in New Hampshire.

[Mall]

Frank definitely looks like. Yeah, cult leader.

[Ryan]

Yeah, I know that face.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

He definitely touched the side of your cheek with the back of his head.

[Ryan]

That's the face you see when the sleep demon got you.

[Mall]

That's. That's her sleep paralysis. Just like that, too.

[Ryan]

When the sleep paralysis demon got you.

[Mall]

That's the face. He's like, sh.

[Ryan]

It's okay. Don't fight it.

[Rory]

Anyway, I don't even remember. Anyway. Yes, we watched the Passion of the Christmas.

[Mall]

So we in the basement of church, we had to watch, like, Jesus movies, but we never watched the Passion. Like, more the PG version.

[Ryan]

I don't want to know what we was doing in the basement of my church. M. Get it in on the phone and say you need me.

[Rory]

Christ.

[Ryan]

Watch over the fish plates on sale. Fish plates on sale.

[Rory]

Did y' all do anything this weekend? Mall is sick. Yeah. I wish I could hear the hour conversation we have before we turn these. Did y' all do anything this weekend?

[Ryan]

No. It was raining all weekend. Raining cold outside.

[Mall]

Yeah, it was in the house.

[Ryan]

It was nasty this weekend. This was nice. This is a white. This is a washout weekend. This is a weekend to just stay in the crib, clean, get everything in order for spring, you know, switch your closets around, get rid of old, bring in some new. This was. That's what I did this week. I don't know what y' all did, but that's what I did.

[Mall]

No, I was literally in the house.

[Ryan]

I wanted to go to the poor mine.

[Mall]

Shit. Couldn't get a babysitter. But it was pouring rain, so I was like, it's whatever. So I don't even mind coming in today. It's raining again. Like this. This. This whole Memorial Day weekend was just whatever. But, I mean, I did watch the greatest team of all time, the Knicks,

[Ryan]

shout out to the New York Knickerbockers.

[Mall]

Hopefully, as you're hearing this, we. We already got the brooms out, and we're headed this sweep.

[Ryan]

Hopefully one year hearing this, we completed the sweep.

[Mall]

We shall see. I might.

[Ryan]

We are recording on Monday, and the game is tonight.

[Mall]

Rosie asked me to go out to watch the game. I might take her up on that offer since I was in the. In the house for three days.

[Rory]

We. Outside?

[Mall]

Yeah. I mean, we. Well, you know, Rosie wants to be extra. She wants to bring brooms to a bar. I'm like, it's all right. Let's just take a few shots and

[Ryan]

watch the Knicks bring brooms to the bar. Okay.

[Rory]

Me and PE Me and PE Went through two fucking pitchers the other night. What was it, game two?

[Ryan]

No, it was game three.

[Rory]

Nah, we watched game two. It was game three.

[Ryan]

It's game three.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah. Game three.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Two pictures, baby.

[Mall]

How come you never invite me? Mall or Ryan?

[Rory]

Y', all, like, ran out.

[Mall]

Story straight.

[Rory]

Y'.

[Mall]

All.

[Rory]

Y' all ran out. Y' all ran out after work. Mall ran out.

[Ryan]

Oh, that was Thursday.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

That was game two.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Mall ran out. You had to go do whatever. You ran out early.

[Mall]

I had to get tomorrow.

[Ryan]

Yeah, that was game two. Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah, it was game two. Me and Peach were chilling around. We walked to our favorite bar. We won't say where it is in the area. Got two seats at the bar. They said they had a $25 per person minimum. Me and Peach was like, that's two pictures.

[Mall]

I was about to say, that's a drink in Brooklyn.

[Rory]

That's nothing. People were complaining about it.

[Ryan]

She was like a $25 pitcher.

[Rory]

$25 minimum per person. People were complaining about. Complaining about that in New York City.

[Ryan]

Yeah. I don't want to be around nobody that's complaining about that.

[Mall]

No, we. We should be complaining about that, but we're so conditioned to expensive drinks.

[Ryan]

A $25 minimum in the middle of

[Rory]

the playoffs at I go to Central

[Mall]

Jersey and find a dollar beer spot.

[Ryan]

Yeah, but I'm just saying, like, if you order a drink and some wings or something that's more than 25, you order three drinks.

[Rory]

That's like, yeah, three beers.

[Ryan]

Yeah. So 25 minimums, like, bad. I was spending that anyway, like, yeah, what am I arguing?

[Rory]

I feel like that's fair for the New York. For a Knicks game in the middle of the Eastern Conference finals.

[Ryan]

Come on. The Knicks are one. That Went away from the finals, baby.

[Rory]

Yeah. Come on now.

[Ryan]

Run it up.

[Rory]

Spin that shit.

[Ryan]

Run that tab up.

[Rory]

Spin that shit.

[Ryan]

Run that tab up. I like what they've been doing uptown in certain neighborhoods. They've been playing the games outside with the projectors on the handball court.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Like for the neighborhood. That's been dope to see that. Like different neighborhoods. Like projecting the game on the handball courts at night. Yeah, it's dope to see that.

[Mall]

I got, I got trolled on our, our street today. The coffee spot I usually go to, the line was way too crazy. So I wanted to try the other one that's down the block that just opened. I walked in and tried to order a coffee and they said were only a mobile pickup, so you have to

[Ryan]

order it on the app.

[Mall]

There's three people standing there and they have a screen. I said, I can't just order a coffee with you. And she said, no, you need to download the app and then order it. I said, so I literally cannot just order a coffee with you right now. I can't give you money and you give me a coffee now you have

[Ryan]

to download the app, then you have to sell your soul.

[Mall]

I walked out. I want to know how much business they've lost because of it. Like, I literally walked in and I was like, I don't want a coffee that bad.

[Ryan]

Did they have the QR code that you could scan right there?

[Mall]

Yeah, but I can also just say, hey, can I have a coffee? Give you money and you give me.

[Ryan]

This is New York, right? Remember we just like going to get a cup of coffee. Yeah, yeah. I would walk right out of there, you fucking robots.

[Mall]

Like, you remember in 40 year old virgin when she had that ebay store and he's like, I just want to buy these shoes and put them on. Like you have to go on ebay. And I was like, I can literally just give you the money. Take these with me. That's not how it works. It's not how that was a joke

[Ryan]

in that movie right now.

[Mall]

This happened to me in real life.

[Rory]

I'm sure Rory was furious, red and all.

[Mall]

I was confused because I thought she was joking with me. No, I had to ask twice. Like, I can't just give you money. But, you know, here we are. Anyways. We are sponsored by Boost. Unlimited talk, text and data merch is on sale. Patreon. No ads for $5 a month. Join now. Plus some other tiers. That 50k tier is still there. Dinner with Jay Z. I know it's become another Hot Topic. Drake, you can't kill it. Someone's gonna buy the tier.

[Ryan]

I have faith.

[Mall]

It's been five years. But we'll get there.

[Ryan]

We'll get there. Somebody's gonna cash out one day. We'll get it. We'll get it done.

[Mall]

And what happens when they do?

[Ryan]

I mean, well, we have to take them dinner and FaceTime. Jay, you think Jake, get him on FaceTime?

[Mall]

No, I literally have to talk to the paparazzis that know where he's at and then just grab a sandwich and just walk with him and go sit down. Yo, go sit right there. Yeah.

[Rory]

Security and kn. Adam's apple to the back of your throat. You trying to sit down next to Jay Z?

[Mall]

Well, I have good news for this week.

[Ryan]

Yes.

[Mall]

This Friday. My next record with Lucky Day and Black Odyssey Still Be Mine, will be out on Friday with the video as well. Had to, you know, had to push. Cause of the Iceman.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Definitely wasn't getting in that mix. I still feel like I'm a little early. I thought about pushing another Friday, but I was like, you know what? Listen, let me just get it out.

[Ryan]

Yeah, just get it out, man. It's going to do what it's going to do no matter what.

[Mall]

So please buy the single, stream it, watch the video, share it. I would appreciate it. So that will be this Friday. I mean, I don't have, like, a release party, but we could do something here.

[Ryan]

This Friday.

[Mall]

Yeah,

[Ryan]

Streaming here.

[Mall]

Sure.

[Ryan]

Stream the release.

[Mall]

Stream.

[Ryan]

Just us listening to the song Iceman. But it's.

[Rory]

It's not Iceman.

[Ryan]

Orange man.

[Mall]

Well, I mean, most of Patreon has heard the song.

[Ryan]

Okay.

[Mall]

Like, I did play it for them on Patreon Live. But, yeah, we could. We could play it 30 times and just drop flex bombs over R B music. I know you were listening to Iceman all weekend, as was I, but did you get around to Black's album?

[Ryan]

No.

[Mall]

Love is the New Gangster. Yeah, it's. It's good.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Mall]

There's joints on there for sure. And I think it's Damaris's bag.

[Rory]

Really?

[Mall]

Yeah. He might rival your goat with the pen. He's. He's Mariah level. Well, let me say Mariah's Black's level as far as pen goes.

[Ryan]

Okay.

[Mall]

But no, it's. It's great.

[Ryan]

Who you got on the album?

[Mall]

He has Leon Thomas, Young Thug, two Chains, Odile Quinn.

[Ryan]

That's the one.

[Mall]

I wanted to hear that on me. That's one of my favorite records on there.

[Ryan]

I want to hear that.

[Mall]

Mareeba's on there. It's. It's really good.

[Ryan]

Odile is LVR and Tourists.

[Mall]

Yeah. Az Shyke is on there as a great verse. It's. It's a really good album. 44 minutes straight to the point. I guess it's probably my favorite rapping. Yeah.

[Ryan]

Okay.

[Mall]

It's a lot of rap, but, like, melodic rap.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Mall]

So definitely check out Black's album if you haven't. I know it's been tough to get past the 42 songs that. That Drake has put out, and tough for me as well. But people are starting to come around.

[Ryan]

Shout out to the real big three. Sorry, the real big three.

[Mall]

It took Elliot Wilson six days to go from this album. Stink style of the year.

[Rory]

Which album?

[Mall]

Iceman. Shout out to Elliot. We love you. But today. And then I saw the tweet as well. I was like, oh, I didn't know you were gonna publicly say that. Yeah, I appreciate that, though. And they were pulling up all the old Elliot Wilson clips.

[Ryan]

Damn.

[Mall]

Of the bigger picture of just everything that he had said about.

[Ryan]

Yeah, man. It's all right, man. Enjoy the album. Enjoy the music, man. It's okay. No matter what you said back then. It's fine. Yeah, enjoy the music.

[Mall]

Or go to dj head.com to download.

[Ryan]

Now. That's the person that I want to talk about.

[Rory]

All right, what's going on with that?

[Ryan]

I want to talk about DJ Head.

[Mall]

Shout out to friend of the show.

[Ryan]

Shout out to DJ Head, man. Shout out to Gina Views. Hey, what's up, man? Like, what's. What's going on? I'm hearing things. I'm seeing things. I'm hearing you done edited too hard for the radio. I heard you got it on your website, the edited version. What the is going on, man? Like, what is happening? What are we doing? He don't want to get in between the Bay and la.

[Mall]

You didn't know that Drake is dividing the bay in la?

[Ryan]

How is Drake dividing the bay in la? Let's start there. How. How does this song divide the bay in la?

[Mall]

Cause.

[Ryan]

Because it's a bay sound and it's talking about Kendrick, and no one in

[Mall]

LA listens to Drake.

[Ryan]

Oh, okay.

[Mall]

So Head was suggesting that some DJs are scared to play it.

[Ryan]

So no DJ in the bay is scared to play it. That is currently the number one song in San Francisco on Apple right now. So I don't know who is afraid to play it. It's the number one song on San Francisco in San Francisco on Apple right now.

[Mall]

Again. Head friend of the show. I think that clip of him saying he removed the disses off too hard for the radio is worse than J. Cole deleting his disses. And I think it's a word I can't say to describe the behavior of taking that off. It's worse than Cold Allegiance.

[Ryan]

It's just weird. It's just weird. I think weird is a good word. It's weird. Well, last time we said weird, we got into. We won't talk about that, but it's just weird.

[Mall]

LA takes the word weird in a bad, bad way. We don't mean it that way.

[Ryan]

No, but this is weird to do. Like, why would you. It's not. First of all, just don't play the song. Start there. You just don't have to play the record or don't listen to it. Like, you don't have to edit out. And the disses wasn't even like, you want to edit out those disses. But you played not like us.

[Mall]

No, it's not just that. It's in the very same episode he was explaining to Gina that he can't really relate to Iceman because he doesn't internalize things. If, like, people betray him. He doesn't internalize that. That's just not the type person, which is cool. I'm not going to tell DJ Head how he feels. Two minutes later, I was so offended by the disses, I had to edit them out.

[Ryan]

I had to edit it out

[Mall]

so

[Ryan]

I could listen to it.

[Mall]

Sounds like you internalized it.

[Ryan]

Yeah, man. That head, you. You doing. You're doing way too much, man. Just enjoy the music.

[Mall]

It wasn't so much that. It was more when he. He perked up and said, those things have been removed.

[Ryan]

Those things.

[Rory]

Those things have been removed.

[Ryan]

And then I saw he tweeted something like, oh, yeah, I don't get my humor. Like, once he was getting roasted.

[Mall]

Nah, that's a good cop out.

[Ryan]

Yeah, we not. We not fall.

[Mall]

Listen, man, we've all been on the Summer Jam screen. You've talked about us on the Summer Jam screen. It's all in good fun. Yeah, but there is some irony with Drake naming it too hard for the radio. Editing for the radio.

[Ryan]

It all makes sense. It's all part of the plan.

[Mall]

Why did you even give Drake that W?

[Ryan]

Oh, my God.

[Mall]

Gina was the funniest during that. Gina had the same face we all had watching.

[Ryan]

Gina was so confused. She was trying to figure out, like, contradictory. What the hell are you talking about? Head responded to the backlash, saying, I see my sense of humor still needs some improvement. Apologies. I'll be better. Yeah. Head. That ain't going. That ain't. That's not going. We not going to do that. We not going to do that. I know, because you really have the edited version on a website.

[Mall]

Does I. I mean, I didn't go to dj head.com?

[Ryan]

i. I didn't either, but it's there.

[Mall]

I would like to see the download numbers.

[Ryan]

Yeah. Who downloaded that?

[Mall]

No, but also, what, like, what part are you playing? Ka Gina asked a great question. What did you edit out? He was like, oh, he says some slick. The whole song is technically a disc. So what?

[Ryan]

What did you edit?

[Mall]

Just don't play this on.

[Ryan]

Yeah, you can just not listen to the record, man. Not play the record. But everybody seems to be loving the record. And on the west coast, that's a great record. Great record, Great album. Yeah. There's nothing you can do about this, man. It just is what it is. You just gotta stand there and watch it. The same way they stood there and watched all that shit in 24.

[Mall]

So if I was DJing, the Toronto party you were at, could I play not like us, but retract all the disses?

[Ryan]

That wouldn't be.

[Mall]

Is that how it works?

[Ryan]

That wouldn't be.

[Mall]

No, it makes it okay.

[Ryan]

That wouldn't be wise in Toronto, but. Okay.

[Mall]

No, but I took the disses out.

[Ryan]

Yeah. No, I get it. They about to take you out. Don't worry about it.

[Rory]

Yeah, I don't. I think it's unnecessary. Oh, they said he took it off his website.

[Mall]

And my. All right. My thing, too. And even if Ed was joking, it's like, throughout the entire battle, most of the west coast, which I did agree with them, it is just rap. Like, maybe it's not that. It's not that serious. When people were even saying to them, like, hey, is that part over the line? Come on, guys. It's a good song. It's just rap. Y' all are being way too sensitive about it. That was pretty much the sentiments of the West Coast. And DJ Head on his platform with Jeremy and Elliot. That's why it's just even more funny, Right? If it's just rap, why does it.

[Ryan]

Why does it matter? Yeah. Don't internalize it.

[Mall]

All he said about Mustard was, yo, you haven't had a good song since Rack City, right? Whoa.

[Ryan]

Edit.

[Mall]

I don't even think Mustard cares.

[Ryan]

Edit.

[Mall]

I don't even think Kendra cares.

[Ryan]

They don't. They don't give a. This was just had. Just trying to be too, you know, looking too deep into it and being, you know, the LA native and, you know, a spokesman for the west coast. Just trying to hold, you know, that side down in this moment. But this is not that deep.

[Mall]

Well, for. For all the DJs in Toronto, newmariem.com you can download Euphoria without the disses, which would be called an instrumental.

[Ryan]

And how do you. How do you edit the dis? Like, what do you take as a diss? Oh, nope, that's a disk. Take that out.

[Mall]

The whole record is a disk.

[Ryan]

And is it just like the hook is a disc?

[Rory]

Is it just like just the instrumental during it or is like, do he replace the lines or.

[Ryan]

Nah, he took it out and he kind of like moved the instruments up. It's like, you know, he edited. He went into like, he had the stems, he just took the disses out. So that was just music. And the hook too hard for the radio. Yeah, that was. Hey was doing too much right there, though.

[Mall]

Just a little bit.

[Ryan]

Cut that out.

[Mall]

He said, I will not platform somebody. Separating the coast.

[Ryan]

Separating the coast. Ryan, did you feel like.

[Mall]

Yeah, you're from the bay.

[Ryan]

Did you feel like he was trying to separate the bay in la? Not at all. Song slaps. Yeah, that slaps. Shout out to the big three.

[Mall]

Yo, you're so cool. And three on the.

[Ryan]

Oh, man, that's some funny man. Drake, you a funny man.

[Mall]

I just. I don't know why you would give him that easy of a W. But I mean, either way, I laughed all Sunday morning. Like, thank you, Head, for giving me a good, good Sunday morning laugh. Like I needed that.

[Ryan]

Yeah, man, Like, I laughed out loud. Part of it. This is part of the. You know, it's time to laugh.

[Rory]

You know what I like about Head is if we. If Head was in here and we would ask him about this, he would have his straightest face. He would not chuckle like, not once. Like, he would be dead ass explaining that.

[Mall]

And to me, that's his humor. That would be funny.

[Rory]

That's his humor. Yeah, he deadass. All that shit.

[Mall]

He would. He would triple down on it and try to explain to us how he's separating the 405. Yeah, head.

[Ryan]

Ain't nobody download that shit. Nobody want to hear them edit you made. Ain't nobody playing that song without the edits that you made.

[Mall]

Also, what's funny is if you're a dj, you can pick the part that you want to play. Yeah, why would I need to get, like, in serato? You very well can just go. You know what? I think I'll play this section, and then I'll switch it.

[Ryan]

If you just want to listen to it on your own without. With the Ed.

[Mall]

On your own.

[Ryan]

Yeah, like, just. I mean, I'm not. I can't listen to that with the dishes on it, man. We go to dj head.com just for this one song.

[Rory]

Y' all so silly.

[Ryan]

Oh, my God. I'm silly. That. That did was silly. That was some silly. You took time, too. Like, I ain't like that bar. Take that out.

[Mall]

But. And, like, how do you decide whether or not to play the real version? Like, if Absol is in. In the spot, like.

[Ryan]

Yeah, then you.

[Mall]

Then you dust out that. That vinyl.

[Ryan]

You got to go into the edited version.

[Mall]

Is it just MP3s, or. Did he. Did he press any.

[Ryan]

I don't know what he did.

[Mall]

Any 12 inch shout out to Gina, though.

[Ryan]

Gina was sitting there trying to really, like, perplexed. She was generally perplexed, like, okay, got it.

[Rory]

Gina's pretty. I don't want to say she's completely unbiased, but to be from the west coast, she tries to control her biases when it comes to that whole thing.

[Mall]

I mean, she. She was pretty vocal that she was a Drake fan throughout that year. I. I would say Gina's very objective.

[Ryan]

Yeah. As objective as everybody's a Drake fan.

[Rory]

Not everybody. You would be surprised.

[Mall]

Not. Not when he's dissing mustard. I'll tell you that. Because I won't stand for that.

[Ryan]

Everybody's a Drake.

[Rory]

I've met some people out. They were like, they. I was like, you're like. You're really, like, really not. And it. I was like, oh, I've never met

[Ryan]

that like music and not like Drake. Like, how do you not like, he ain't got to be your favorite rapper. I'm not saying that. But it's hard to like music, like, good music, be outside moving around and be like, nah, I don't like.

[Rory]

People don't be outside moving around, Pookie.

[Ryan]

Where they be at?

[Mall]

Where?

[Rory]

They don't like Drake in their house,

[Ryan]

but they don't like their house. You ever seen some of these things? Okay, no.

[Mall]

There's probably people that don't like. Like Drake as an album artist, but they just like.

[Ryan]

Who don't like modest songs.

[Rory]

There are some people. Those people exist.

[Ryan]

You like good music, and you don't like Drake as an album artist.

[Rory]

Some people who don't like Drake will tell you that the music is that they don't. The music is not good to them. And that's okay. That's their opinion.

[Ryan]

Yeah, that's fine. But like I said, we just got to start asking other questions then. Who do you like?

[Mall]

Immortal.

[Ryan]

Just start there. Who you like? Who you be listening to?

[Rory]

They might like other artists.

[Ryan]

No, naturally, right? You like some. You like something?

[Rory]

When I've. When I've. The people that I've spoken to who do not like Drake music do not like the sing songy Drake. They don't like the. The auto. Yeah, they don't like that.

[Ryan]

It's other though. 1, 2 and 3. Which one of those albums you don't like? Which one of the albums, which one do you do like?

[Rory]

Those people would hate habiti and hate maid of honor. But like parts of Iceman.

[Ryan]

Got you

[Mall]

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[Ryan]

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[Mall]

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[Ryan]

It's not listen to you.

[Mall]

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[Mall]

Is there a very popular artist that you guys don't like? A universally loved artist that you're just.

[Ryan]

No, not into?

[Rory]

Universal. That I don't like. Like, I cannot listen to?

[Mall]

Yeah, I don't know if it's there for me.

[Rory]

The Streets would say Eminem for me. Even though there's some Eminem verses that I could recite, like from top to bottom. But as an artist, like, I, I'm cool.

[Mall]

Yeah, I give Eminem a lot of flack, but I would never say that I hate Eminem.

[Rory]

I don't hate.

[Mall]

But his first three albums, I think are incredible.

[Ryan]

Yeah, I'm gonna go to an Eminem album like, yo, this was my.

[Mall]

But like, I didn't run to hear Kamikaze. Like, I don't really care. But at that point, I wouldn't say I dislike Eminem.

[Ryan]

Yeah, I was checked out at that point at that album. But yeah, I'm kind of, I go to some early shit and be like, when this came out. You know what I'm saying? Like, you can't. It's just for somebody for an artist to be. And not Drake specific, but for an artist to be that successful and to be that talented and to create the sounds that, that they do, like, you don't like any of it. Yeah, it's weird to say that's just like, you don't. None of this. You, that's like, if you take somebody to a fucking amazing restaurant and they look at the man like, I don't like none of this. It's like none of this, like, caught your eye. Like, you don't want to try any of this. Like, you don't think any of this is good. Like.

[Mall]

Well, it's tough with people that have had 20 year careers in that amount of songs. Like, I know people when Cole first came out that were older than me, that were like, he could rap, but it doesn't really necessarily, you know, match type stuff I like because he's raped about college and. But they were still like, he could rap. But now with Cole's 20 year career, those same people. There's definitely Cole songs that you've liked for sure. But yeah, like, I, I, I understand that Future is one of the most influential artists, period. But I've been pretty vocal that, like, future's hit or miss for me. I'm, I'm not, I'm not the future Hive the way most people are, but

[Ryan]

he got some shit that you.

[Mall]

But I would never like Futures of Legend, like. Like, you can't not love March Madness.

[Ryan]

Exactly.

[Mall]

But I'm trying to. I think Nikki may be the one that it's so black and white with that because she has so many fans that absolutely stan her. There probably are people that really dislike Nikki. Not from like, Cardi Hive, just in general. Maybe with her voice or whatever. I could see that people being like, I just don't like Nicki Mina.

[Rory]

But I think that that's unfair too. And I think that that's a lot of people's issue. I don't feel that way when they're critique. It's the boy terrified. We know. I think that's a lot of people's issues when they're critiquing music. And I say this about Megan a lot. People are critiquing singles. You're critiquing songs that you hear everywhere. It's like, I hate that song. I hate that artist because this is the type of song I always hear from them. And it's like, well, this is the type of song that goes up mainstream. You don't listen to the albums because they make plenty of songs that aren't like that. Nikki has made plenty of songs where she's not doing the voices. Like the same voices that they killed my ass about, complaining about Kendrick. Kendrick has played made plenty of songs where he doesn't make those voices. And there's also plenty of songs that Drake has made where he's not whining and singing and using auto tune and he's actually rapping. Rapping. But if you don't go look for. Looking for those songs or if you aren't a Drake fan, you wouldn't know that they exist. So a lot of people are just critiquing saying they don't like because it's what they hear on the radio or what they hear on, like, Tick Tock. They don't really know the discographies.

[Mall]

I mean, I'm still trying to find that Playboy Cardi song that I like, but I'm. I'm about oh for 30 at this point. So he'd be on that.

[Rory]

You did not listen to 30 Playboy Cardi songs.

[Mall]

The whole album was 30 songs, wasn't it? But they were all like 10 seconds.

[Rory]

Exactly.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You know, I'm like, you ain't really get into that for real.

[Mall]

Well, I remember, like, early Cardi when he was kind of rapping. It Wasn't like this, you know, this bisexual vampire that he is now. But, yeah, I'm cool. And he's a universally loved artist.

[Ryan]

No, I don't.

[Mall]

Well, not universally, but he does crazy numbers.

[Ryan]

Yeah, no, he's.

[Mall]

He's the. He's the big three of the younger generation, I would say. But, yeah, I'm cool on Cardi.

[Rory]

Yeah, well, you don't have any, like, major artists that everybody loves that you think is, like, overrated, that you don't listen to, that you're like, I cannot stand when they come on.

[Ryan]

Not that I could think of. Like, that. I don't like anything from them. Nah, I can't. I can't think of any artist that's on that level. Like, I might not love everything that they do, but there's something. I'm like, nah, this is dope. Like, this just. It's just. The talent level is just undeniable. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, at some point, it just becomes undeniable. Like, this may not be your favorite, but it's going to be some of the shit you going to be feeling like, that's all. So when you say people don't like Drake, I'm just. I don't understand that. Like, how. Like, so what do you like? That's what I'm saying. Like, we got to ask, so what are you liking? What do you be. What you be into? Like, I don't. It's just like, you never seen somebody just, like, where something is unanimous. Like, yo. Nah, this is. This is good. Like, whether it be food, whether it be whatever it is. Clothes and vacation beaches. This is a beautiful beach. I've never seen this beach trash. This beach is trash.

[Rory]

I've never seen anything be unanimous more. There is always at least one person that does.

[Ryan]

Yeah, but that is something wrong with that person.

[Rory]

I don't think so.

[Ryan]

Nah, I think so.

[Mall]

Some people don't like pizza. They exist.

[Ryan]

Okay?

[Mall]

And not the people that are trying to be cool by, like, yo, pizza. Like, no, they just really, really don't. Like, they just don't really don't like pizza. Which. You're weird.

[Rory]

Doesn't mean that pizza isn't good. It's just.

[Ryan]

It's not for them.

[Rory]

That's why we have to stop saying that things are bad. Some things are.

[Mall]

No, we can say some things are trash.

[Rory]

No, some things are trash. But everything is not just trash. Sometimes things are just not for you. And that's okay.

[Ryan]

Sometimes things are not for you. Yes, I agree with that. I. I live by that. It's just not for me. But some things are just like, nothing. You don't like none of that.

[Rory]

And you're not a hater if you don't like something. Everybody's not a hater just because they don't.

[Mall]

Like.

[Rory]

I want us to stop calling it by haters, like, because.

[Ryan]

Nah. But some behave. Because if I be like, yo, why you don't like Drake? He corny. You don't even know that. Like, would you. To me, that's him.

[Rory]

There's plenty of people that you would think are corny that you don't know.

[Ryan]

But that's. That's not why I don't listen to them. That's not why I don't think their music is good. I would not say they'd be like, nah, I don't listen to that. Why not play that? Corny. I don't know him. I don't know her. Like, I wouldn't. That wouldn't be the reason. I was just like, yo, I just don't like the music. Like, it wouldn't be because I think the person is corny.

[Rory]

But some people think the music is corny. Some people. You can think somebody's music is corny, okay, Yeah, I don't listen to that. It's corny. It's not what they want.

[Ryan]

I get it, man. I just think that at some point, it's just, you know, you gotta really look at the person a little deeper that you're talking to and be like, you gotta figure out, how did they land on that? Cause I get it, right? Since everything is not for everybody.

[Rory]

Cool.

[Ryan]

We understand that. But why? Like, what's up? What you.

[Rory]

Like?

[Ryan]

Like, if Rory came in here and be like, man, I don't like Michael Jordan.

[Mall]

I mean, I, you know, a Knicks

[Ryan]

fan, but that will make sense. But you still respect his game. He's one of the greatest.

[Mall]

I rest in peace. I hated Kobe when he was playing, but still one of the greatest.

[Ryan]

This is what I'm saying.

[Mall]

I hated Kobe.

[Ryan]

Like, why you hate Colin? I'm a Knicks fan, bro. Oh, okay. That makes sense. He kills the Knicks. Got it. But at some point, you got to be like, yo, but he's still fucking one of the greatest ever. Do it. Like, yeah, you land on that at the end of the conversation. What I'm saying, like, I may not like him, but he's one of the greatest. That would do.

[Mall]

But I think some people get stuck in their own way of hating an artist when they first come out and now have to, for some reason, stand on that. Like, almost like some skip Bayless LeBron. Like, I've entered this world that I dislike this person. So I'm going to discredit every achievement that they possibly have without even really paying attention. Because I think there's plenty of people that hated Drake when Thank Me later came out and didn't like more than just the option. Hey, hey, I can see someone disliking that and then never investing in any of the projects. So they're walking around being like, yo, I think his all this is trash. And haven't even listened to most of it.

[Ryan]

Yeah, I get it. That makes sense.

[Mall]

And have made that part of their personality, but it's just not for you.

[Rory]

And then there's also people with confirmation bias, right? So you can not like somebody in the very beginning, right? And then despite everything else that you hear, the moment you hear something that is like, ah, see, this is trash. Like, it's like a confirmation. Like, sometimes all of our favorite rappers do it. But since we're talking about Drake, sometimes Drake has bars and it's like, nigga, why you say that? Like, you know what I'm saying?

[Mall]

Like, Channing Tatum was Channing.

[Rory]

Hey, like, chaining.

[Mall]

My stomach hurt.

[Rory]

Even as a fan. You like, why the would you say that? But to people who are not all

[Ryan]

of our favorites got those.

[Mall]

When Kanye was dripping swagu. I was about to throw up.

[Rory]

Yeah, we. I just said all of our favorites have said that. But when you hear something like that as someone who already didn't like the person, it's like, see? Like, what the is this? Yeah, like, it's a confirmation bite.

[Ryan]

Like, oh, it's a lot of that online right now.

[Mall]

I mean, that's all online.

[Ryan]

Breaking down the Iceman album. They're like, oh, this fucking bar is trash. I'm like, but what about the bar right after that? Like, why you ain't talking about the next. Literally the next bar? Why you ain't break that bar down? So I get it. Like I said, I understand it. It's part of this.

[Mall]

It's not for them.

[Ryan]

Yeah, it's part of this thing that we're in. So I understand it. I just, you know, I just sit back and laugh. But yeah, hey, that was crazy to make your own edits of a. I'm

[Mall]

comfortable saying that's hate. That's hate. We can identify certain things. That's hate.

[Ryan]

That's definitely hate.

[Mall]

Which is cool. I've hated before. Yeah, we all hate in our Heart.

[Ryan]

It's hate. Just hate.

[Mall]

DJ said he's the biggest hater.

[Rory]

Dj, hey, is crazy.

[Ryan]

DJ hate. What's poppin?

[Rory]

DJ Hate is a little dragged.

[Ryan]

I'm just saying. I was hate what he did, though.

[Mall]

D.J. hayden, Gina views from the six.

[Ryan]

Gina views from the six.

[Rory]

That's funny.

[Mall]

I would say AI Rich Homie Quan is not for me.

[Ryan]

Definitely not for me.

[Mall]

That's not for me.

[Ryan]

No, I don't support that.

[Mall]

It came from his estate. So, like, okay, that is your choice. But I would ask why. Yeah, why?

[Ryan]

It's just. It's just a little. Yeah, I just. I don't know, man. And I, you know, I understand it. It's, you know, I guess keeping the energy alive, keeping the, you know, the legacy going, but it's just a little. I don't know, man.

[Mall]

It's just tone deaf to your own family member is a little crazy. But again, everyone grieves different. And I don't want to get too much into it. I think it's distasteful. But that, again, is his estates. Even the name of the song, everything about it is gross to me. But it is their choice. It's not like someone else is exploiting it.

[Ryan]

Right.

[Mall]

That's what they wanted to do. But it does have me thinking that sometimes, especially creatives, artists, whatever, your estate may not know what the fuck to do with your art because they don't understand your art.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Like, God forbid, if I passed away and my mother's controlling my estate, I don't think she'd have the best tools to know what would be good to do a tribute on the pot because she doesn't understand this world or what works and what doesn't. Someone may just go up to her and be like, here's a way that you can honor your son and also keep money coming in for Amara. And I'm sure my mom would be like, oh, yeah, money in for Amara. Let's do it.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

And then it'd be a hologram of me next to you. It's like, whoa.

[Rory]

Hiding together. Oh, Jesus Christ.

[Ryan]

I would have to be two holograms, because I'm not doing that.

[Rory]

A hologram with Marley still alive is

[Ryan]

funny as a hologram of me. And I'm live tweeting like, yo, that trash. That trash. Like, I don't support that.

[Rory]

So y' all wouldn't want to. Y' all wouldn't want. Let's. I mean, we. We have these conversations because we're in business together. Yo, you wouldn't want Anything AI of me?

[Mall]

No, no, thank you.

[Ryan]

Let me rest. I'm cool now, if y' all want to run back some old clips and do that, cool. But not no new. That I didn't say. For real, none of that. Don't. Don't start pumping out new clips of shit that I didn't say or shit based off of a software and technology that I might say. Like, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Mall]

But if you think about it, we could kind of use you with all the takes that we're too scared to say. That would get, like a bunch of clicks. You're not here. So we could just make you say them and we'd be like, more. That's crazy. Why would you say that? No viral moments we would have. If we get to control what you say.

[Rory]

If we just take all of the stuff that Peach has cut out from

[Mall]

the beginning of the episode, bro, we would make your nephew a multimillionaire in a six month.

[Ryan]

That's. That's like when. That's like when dudes get arrested and they be like, nah, he shot. He killed him. When, homie, his man is dead. Like, I ain't really snitching. He's dead. It ain't like he. They gonna do J.

[Mall]

Well, I agree with that, but I'm not from the streets.

[Ryan]

No, no, I agree with that.

[Rory]

I'm putting everything on my dad at home.

[Mall]

Put all murders on me if I'm dead.

[Ryan]

That's what I'm saying. If I'm dead. And y' all want to put some. Some, Some. Some hot top hot takes on me that might shake things up. Yeah, go ahead AI that.

[Mall]

But what. All right, what if you and Damaris had, like, maybe an argument right before you passed and she still felt a little bitter towards you and she programs AI Mall to be the biggest J. Cole fan of all time.

[Ryan]

Oh, no. Then mom will be her sleep paralysis demon.

[Rory]

That's crazy.

[Ryan]

Every night. Every night, all she is. Will you survive the let out? She gonna be eyes open, can't move, and I'm gonna be writing up rooms.

[Rory]

You see how I was talking about confirmation bias? Niggas always bring up, can we survive the let out? They'll skip over mad heat, but bring up, can we surv Survivor?

[Mall]

I told you I loved side A of the Fall off straight.

[Ryan]

What's the Tim's record, though? That's my. Though.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's on Saturday.

[Rory]

That's the one. Shout out to Boz the Boss Rope.

[Ryan]

What's the name of it, though?

[Rory]

Oh, God. Blues.

[Ryan]

I like that record.

[Rory]

Buns roll Blues.

[Ryan]

Bunsen Road Blue.

[Rory]

We think about Jaylen too much.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Oh, Bun Rose.

[Mall]

You know, Bun Row.

[Ryan]

If these win this championship, they gonna name 50 out Avenue Brunson Road. I was about to say that's gonna be Brunson Road. I'm telling you right now.

[Mall]

Yeah. 8th Ave. Just gonna be Jalen Way. We should just find other ways to remix.

[Ryan]

That's a fact. They had did that at one. They did that at one point, right? Didn't. Wasn't they naming different streets after the players for like.

[Mall]

I think it was the first round of the playoffs. They did that.

[Ryan]

Yeah, it was like Josh Hart way or some shit like that. Like, I remember they had did that one year. I don't know if that was last year or the year before.

[Mall]

I don't know. Cause Jeter doesn't have anything. Right.

[Ryan]

He needs it.

[Mall]

Because that'd be kind of crazy if. If we do that. But Jeter hasn't gotten his flag.

[Ryan]

Jerome AV should be G to have. For sure. For sure. Yeah. See, they had a Knicks roster receive street code namings with major intersections honoring key players like Jalen, Brunson Towns, Mikhail Bridges, Josh Hardy, og. Yeah, I remember that.

[Mall]

Yeah. Dyckman should be Mariano Rivera for sure.

[Ryan]

That should be for sure. That was temporary. But if the Knicks win a championship, they. That might have to be permanent. I think every. Every player on that roster. Well, key contributors, key players. If the Knicks win his championship, is Brunson the best Knick ever?

[Mall]

He's in the conversation. He's already in the conversation. They could. They could. They could lose four games and he's still in the conversation. He's better than Sprewell. I mean, it's really. You're just talking to him and Ewing.

[Ryan]

I mean, Clive Frazier.

[Mall]

Yeah, Clive, of course.

[Ryan]

Willis Reed has to be in that conversation. Earl Monroe has to be in that conversation.

[Mall]

Earl the Pearl has.

[Ryan]

Yeah, I mean, Clyde and Earl and Willis, they won. They won the.

[Mall]

Which is cool.

[Ryan]

So we understand that Pat went to. He had a lot of war. He never won. But he went to war for the city, though. Yeah, he has some. Patrick Ewan has some battles in New York,

[Mall]

but Jalen, I. Jalen's already top five to me.

[Ryan]

Yeah, I think he's a top five Nick for sure.

[Mall]

He might be four as of right now. And that's no disrespect to mellow, because I. I would put mellow at five, but Brunson would be at four without. Without winning a chance.

[Ryan]

He's the top five New York Nick of all time for sure. Without a doubt. He definitely is. He definitely is.

[Mall]

Yeah. But I mean our. What street do we. We give him?

[Ryan]

Brunson?

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

What is it? Madison. What's the.

[Rory]

Which Madison? The seventh, I think.

[Ryan]

No, what's the Garden is between.

[Mall]

So on 7th, 34th between 7th and 8th.

[Ryan]

7th and 8th?

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

7th Avenue might have to be. That's brunch and Ave. My. They win the championship. That's brunch and Ave.

[Mall]

They lose tonight.

[Ryan]

I don't care if they lose tonight. They gonna win the series. But yeah, yeah. Nah, they gotta give. They gotta give Brunson the street for sure. Definitely. Definitely a top five Nick. He win it all. If somebody feels like he's the greatest Nick ever, I can't. It's hard to argue with that from.

[Mall]

From my era. Yes, it's hard from like what I. I watched cuz I caught the tail end of Patrick Ewing and I mean, you know, David Lee's up there, I guess.

[Ryan]

Don't do that. David Lee was.

[Mall]

He was the only one hustling.

[Ryan]

David Lee was tough. I like David Lee game.

[Mall]

Yeah, he was the only one that cared. Yeah, you gotta throw Felton. Gotta get a street in Staten island or something.

[Ryan]

Don't do that. Don't do that. Just leave it on Brunson. Just leave it. Leave it right there. Shout out to Jalen Brunson, man, he's balling.

[Mall]

Speaking of AI though, Spotify and UMG have revealed their new AI cover song feature. Or if you're a premium user on Spotify, you'll be able to use AI to make covers and remixes of songs from participating artists on the UMG roster.

[Ryan]

Everything's for sale from participating artists. That means the artists would have to agree to that. What would none of the artists do?

[Mall]

I think the. The younger artists that they just signed that are just kind of there learning the business, I think they'll. They could get talked into real quick. Yo, it's another revenue stream. Here's $2.

[Ryan]

Here's $2.

[Mall]

Nobody asked for this. I don't think fans want this. I don't think artists want this.

[Ryan]

This is.

[Mall]

This is stupid. Like at some point draw, like everything doesn't have to be for sale. I understand it's a business, but why? Why?

[Ryan]

It is interesting that part of the article right there. UMG is the world's largest music company and its roster of artists and songwriters include Billie Eilish, Taylor Swift, Sabrina Carpenter, and Post Malone.

[Rory]

Oh, man.

[Mall]

None of them are Participating in this

[Ryan]

show, amongst many others, you see the one person, they didn. You see the one name that's missing from that.

[Mall]

Spotify did not release details on how this would impact its finances. Surprise. Other than that.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Mall]

We have created the first alternative here for fans to create remixes and covers. I. Okay, but why AI? Like, I'm. I think covers on YouTube are super cool. Even the trend of white girls doing acoustic versions of all trap songs, like, even I'm here for that as well. But, like, I mean, I guess it's like a fun thing for kids to do on their iPad, but I just don't think this is healthy for any artist that you're able to just do this.

[Ryan]

Yeah, I don't get it. I don't see. I mean, well, they quote us in this largely an untapped opportunity because there isn't really a skilled way to make money on it. And what we did today was basically to unlock that opportunity. I think this is going to be additive both to artists, songwriters, the community at large, Spotify rights holders, and so on.

[Rory]

Okay, let me play devil's advocate, because I know we hate AI and all of these things. Right? So is it only going to be AI covers, or are regular covers going to be covered in this as well?

[Mall]

It appears to be the AI tool. My first question is, if I go make an AI cover of Taylor Swift with a remix with AI who owns it?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

I'm paying premium to make songs for y' all that y' all get to own and monetize. I was gonna say, because what happens if one catches and one will catch? Oh, for sure. We've heard AI songs. It's not like AI can't make music. If I type in something or. Or sing some and AI cleans it up and it catches and I have a Billie Eilish remix that goes crazy. Who participates in it?

[Ryan]

And then Billie Eilish now, I mean, they would probably approach Billie Eilish to actually support the record, I'm guessing. Yeah. Nah, I don't know about that. This just sounds like a way for the labels and DSPs to continue making money and not paying creators what they deserve.

[Rory]

I think the artists will get paid off. There's no way that the participating artists don't get paid off of that now.

[Ryan]

They do. They will get paid. But are they paid what they deserve?

[Rory]

No, of course not.

[Mall]

Well, I mean, I think what it is is just the version of what Instagram and TikTok is already like in the fine print when we upload stuff to Instagram it's owned by Instagram. The consumer is literally the person creating the content that they're selling ads against is just another version of that, music wise. Now you become the creator that drives the revenue on the app that you're paying for. It's insane. But it's the same concept with all social media platforms. So it doesn't shock me that they wanted to do this with Spotify. It's their version of creating reels and that they can own.

[Rory]

Ryan, can you see if there's some type of percentage of what the creator may possibly get paid or if they get paid at all for it.

[Mall]

They don't even let their own artists own anything. You think they're gonna let us own anything? That's not happening.

[Rory]

I mean, but that's technically. Even if the artist is singing it and UMG does own the music or the song. If I create new lyrics for it, that's my intellectual property. So there has to be something where I sign away that, right?

[Mall]

Yeah. I mean, you sign that right away when you upload to Instagram or Tick Tock. If you go through the fine print on Instagram when you upload, that stuff technically does belong to them. So I don't see this being any different. I feel like they owe T Pain a royalty though. Some of you guys may be too young, but you guys remember the T Pain auto tune app? No one had more fun in 2010 than I did. T Pain had an app for your iPhone that you could literally like plug your headphones in and you can sing an auto tune the way T Pain does.

[Ryan]

Voloco. Voloco.

[Mall]

I just remember it being a T Pain app. I am T Pain.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Mall]

I wonder if it still exists. Yeah. 2009, 2010. That was. That was a fun time. Yo, the amount of songs we made on that.

[Ryan]

See, my T Pain app was just singing it to the back of the fan. Oh, that.

[Mall]

I mean, that was the original one.

[Ryan]

Yeah, that's the original T Pain

[Rory]

Core Memories.

[Mall]

Just singing into the fan.

[Ryan]

Yeah, you gotta sing it to the back of the fan, you know?

[Mall]

Well, the front of the fan. If you really wanted to get that, that, that tune in there.

[Ryan]

Yeah, really get that.

[Mall]

If you could. If you could weather the storm, you got the best sound from the front of the fan.

[Ryan]

Yeah. If you could take that air hitting

[Rory]

you in your face or also inhaling

[Mall]

a helium balloon, that as well.

[Rory]

You never did that, ma.

[Mall]

That was the original Falsetto Pro Tools.

[Ryan]

Yeah, I never did that.

[Rory]

Yeah. Make your voice go high.

[Mall]

Come on. Everyone did that.

[Ryan]

I never did that, bro. I mean, I know that was a thing, but I was. I was. I never really. With like that, like, inhaling? No, I was never. That I wasn't doing.

[Rory]

You never sniffed.

[Mall]

You smoked weed for 30 years.

[Ryan]

Never smoked glue. Sniffed sniff glue? No, never sniff glue.

[Mall]

I never sniff glue either.

[Rory]

I sniff glue, but I never had the good kind of glue. Like, I was sniffing Elmer's and wondering why it did nothing for me.

[Ryan]

Nah. As far as I went with glue is to let dry on you.

[Rory]

Oh, my God. And peel it.

[Ryan]

Yeah, that's the original paraffin wax right there. That's the original.

[Rory]

I would do that now. I love picking that. I would do that now.

[Ryan]

Yeah. I ain't never sniffed no glue. And, no, I wasn't into like that.

[Rory]

Did you turn your. You look like a kid that turns your. Your eyelids inside out.

[Ryan]

Never did that.

[Rory]

Rory definitely did.

[Mall]

No. My friend Jerome was so good at it, and I'd never. I tried.

[Rory]

Was Jerome black?

[Mall]

Yes.

[Ryan]

I never did that.

[Mall]

Last Audi belly button.

[Ryan]

I've ever said. I wasn't into, like, cracking knuckles. I wasn't into nothing.

[Rory]

I hated cracking knuckles.

[Ryan]

Yeah, that wasn't my thing. Like, cracking up, flipping your eyelids. I just. That wasn't. I just wasn't into, like, that. Letting your homie let me crack your back pause. I'm not. No, don't touch me.

[Mall]

I remember that being a thing, too. Thank God I didn't participate.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Rory]

How do you do that?

[Mall]

You'd, like, you just take them as

[Ryan]

a backpack, put them, like, the full Nelson, and, like, just like. Yeah, I wasn't. You not getting behind me doing nothing.

[Rory]

That's probably why these kids got arthritis and now.

[Ryan]

Yeah, I was. I just wasn't into, like. I wasn't into those things.

[Rory]

Oh, my God. One day, I'll tell you how. How my little sister fell, and she said her shoulder hurt, and I was like, oh, I gotta, like, snap it back into place. I gotta, like, get it dislocated. I gotta snap it back into place. Don't let your children watch medical shows because why was I trying to put her. Relocate her. Or dis. Relocate her dislocated shoulder. Mind you, it was not dislocated. It was perfectly fine.

[Ryan]

It wasn't dislocated.

[Rory]

I dislocated it by trying to do, like. It was perfectly fine.

[Ryan]

Yeah, man.

[Rory]

Snapping my little sister like a Barbie doll. Just.

[Mall]

That was better than doing real wrestling moves on your friends.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah.

[Mall]

Like, that was a thing.

[Ryan]

Real wrestling moves. Yeah, that's how You. Yeah, but you had to do that. You never been put in the Boston crowd.

[Rory]

Well, which one is the Boston Crap? I got put in an arm bar before. And then a headlock, baby.

[Mall]

He's probably been in the Boston Crab and didn't know she was in the Boston.

[Ryan]

Boston Crab. Right there. That's the Boston Crab.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah, yeah, definitely.

[Ryan]

Yeah, the Boston Crab.

[Rory]

Shout out. Shout out to my cousin.

[Ryan]

I feel like all your snaps.

[Mall]

It's one of my. That's one of my favorite Lloyd Banks lines. Yeah, I ain't a wrestler, but I put your in the Boston Crab.

[Ryan]

Yeah. The boston crab. Yeah. 100.

[Mall]

You think banks is putting a pitch

[Ryan]

in the Boston A Snaps? A girl like that, you gotta kill him and his whole bloodline. Kill everybody. Everybody dies.

[Mall]

No more Banks are allowed.

[Ryan]

Had your girl like that. Nah, son. Everybody got it.

[Mall]

Not only did she cheat, this is what she did.

[Ryan]

Yeah, everybody dies.

[Rory]

Logistically, that's not even, like, possible unless you're doing anal.

[Ryan]

You don't know that. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, but maybe into that in the anal.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Yeah, let me into that. That's. And that's possible, not anal.

[Mall]

Yeah. No, you could.

[Rory]

Not with that angle.

[Mall]

Well, that's just. That's the still shot.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

You ain't see the. The rhythm of it. Of the motion of the Boston Crab? Yeah.

[Rory]

Oh, okay.

[Mall]

Yeah, you could do it. I don't know if it would feel great on her end, but you can. Or yours. Yeah, but then I could rap that I put your in the Boston Crab. It's worth it.

[Ryan]

Okay.

[Mall]

Like the royalties of it.

[Rory]

Okay. Rory, can I do that to you, like, later, like, while we. Like, for the intro?

[Ryan]

The intro being Rory and the boss.

[Mall]

Wait, and I'm the bottom?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

You thought I was gonna be the.

[Rory]

What the fuck you think this is?

[Ryan]

Yo, baby, let him put you in the Boston Crack.

[Rory]

No.

[Ryan]

Or not.

[Rory]

Nah, I should do that to Rory. Rory's so stiff, though. I don't. He gonna crack. All I'm here is mad crack.

[Mall]

That's cause I never let any of my friends crack my back in seventh grade.

[Ryan]

You see, that's the problem,

[Mall]

all right? I mean, for content purposes. Yes, you can.

[Ryan]

And the boss is crowd.

[Mall]

I'll need like a Memorial Day shot before we. We get into this. This motion. The Knicks are on tonight. I'm in a good mood.

[Ryan]

The Knicks are fucking on. Break your leg, man. Baby, don't break his leg. Please don't.

[Rory]

No. His back will break.

[Ryan]

No. Warrior now.

[Mall]

Mall summer is here. And it's time to have my beard shimmering in the sunlight. I don't know if you can notice now. I know you notice, but it's cool.

[Ryan]

Cool.

[Mall]

You can play koi. I have the Baskin Lather growth oil in as far as the beard softener. I'm ready to be outside at the festivals. I don't have a care in the world at this point. Look, look, look at this.

[Ryan]

You ready to shoot off?

[Mall]

Look at the growth. Yeah, look at the inches.

[Ryan]

I see you.

[Mall]

That is because I have the Basque and lather in right now. Natural beard growth oil for fuller, thicker facial hair. A blend of vital nutrients to help nourish and increase the blood circulation right to the hair follicles. So you could have this right here. Maul. You could have my red beard if you wanted to.

[Ryan]

Yeah, I gotta start using that.

[Mall]

Yeah, man. It promotes softening of beard hair and dandruff reduction. So you could wear a black T shirt and feel completely fine that you're not just gonna be flaky when you walk outside.

[Ryan]

Yeah, that's nasty. That's bad business. We don't need that.

[Mall]

It's wild.

[Ryan]

And this is also a black owned and family operated brand. Shout out to the CEO Shayna and her mother, a researcher formulated their own scalp and hair oil to stimulate growth and to retain length. So we want to keep using this product because it is black owned and we appreciate that.

[Mall]

And no, I use it daily. It's been great. I've struggled with certain beard products. They don't work on my skin with my hair. This has been great. It's definitely my favorite beard oil right now for sure.

[Ryan]

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[Ryan]

For gsk.

[Mall]

While you guys were talking about some AI, I did open my phone and see that Jim Jones 22 minutes ago posted Tell your man I want to do verses against him since he made us lose our last verses at the Apollo. Call Swizz. Happy Memorial Day. Smoke ain't your thing. We all know that. So let's settle this like this. I assume safely assume he's talking about Cameron. Jim Jones versus Cameron versus at the Apollo. I've said a lot of things about verses where I'm kind of over it. I'm. I'm going to the Apollo for that with a bulletproof vest. But I will be there.

[Rory]

Why would you first of all, Jim

[Ryan]

posting this as a as from a note from the Notes app in his phone and not.

[Mall]

And not proofreading it

[Rory]

ghetto.

[Mall]

The red line's still there.

[Rory]

Yeah, he gotta.

[Ryan]

I don't want to see that.

[Mall]

You don't want to see it.

[Rory]

Bottle be wanting to see. I'm not gonna lie.

[Mall]

I mean I wish this beef wasn't a thing.

[Ryan]

Like yeah, that's why. That's why I don't want to see it because like. But it's.

[Mall]

It's been going on so long.

[Ryan]

Like yeah, it's. It's the energy is just. It's. It's on another. It's a different. It's a different type of energy with Jimmy Cam now. So to have like a verses is like. It's just way too personal. It's way too. I think disrespect has gone too far.

[Mall]

Nah, it's a good bulletproof approach, though. Cause I don't think Cam's ever doing this. And I think Jim knows that Cam

[Ryan]

is definitely not doing it.

[Mall]

So. Yeah. So now that you know that Cam's not gonna do it and you call him out, like, now you look like, okay, well, I offered.

[Ryan]

I get Jim. Yeah, I get what Jim is doing, definitely. But, yeah, Cam is not. He won. Like you said, Cam is not gonna accept this. He's not gonna agree to do this. Um. And, yeah. And at least, you know, Jim looks like. Well, I called him out for the fade and he ain't want to do that.

[Mall]

So, I mean. All right, well, let's. Let's talk. As fans, I've been pretty vocal that I think Jimmy post half of his career has been by far the best Dipset member. I think his discography is crazy. I think you can match their discographies now at this point with all the stuff that Jimmy has put out. You know, post 2010, Cam just hasn't been as active. But I think Jimmy's right there with albums Versus, though, objectively, as a huge gym fan, I don't know if we can't perform Dipset Records that they're both on and we have to just go solo catalog. I don't know if. I don't know if that's going to be a fun night for Jim. Camron goes back too far into the 90s with hit make. Like it's. It's just a little different with the stuff that Cam had in the 90s. No, no, they're not in early 2000s. Like, Jimmy wasn't a rapper. He was his man's.

[Ryan]

Like, no, Dipset Records.

[Mall]

I mean, solo Dipset Records. I just. If you perform just said anthem again, like, I don't know, what do you do? You go off who had the best verse?

[Ryan]

Cam. Like you're saying Cam just has too much he could pull from.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

And then Cam got classic verses on other records that Jim wasn't a part of.

[Mall]

That's what I'm. He has a 15 year head start.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Mall]

With Mace. That's crazy. Like, it's just. I think it's kind of unfair. But if you wanted to go album for album, I think. I know this sounds blasphemous to some people, but if you have not been paying attention to what Jimmy has been doing the last seven years, he's been putting out crazy projects.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Mall]

But that's not what a versus is. It's hit for hit.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Mall]

And I just don't Know if that like, I don't know if Jimmy can keep up.

[Ryan]

Yeah. Cam just has too much more that he can. He can pull from. I think that's the advantage that Cam has right there. Like you said, he has more years for 10, 12 year head start. Maybe even longer than that on Jim. Classic verses on other records that. That Jim wasn't a part of. No Dipset records, just other records that Cam was on. Yeah. I think it's just too much that. That Cam could pull from.

[Mall]

And don't get it twisted. Jimmy has solo joints that are crazy. But like, sure, I like, what do you do with. Oh, boy. Hey, Mod. Down and out, right? Suck it or not. Like, I just. What do you do?

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Welcome to New York. Banned from tv. Yes.

[Ryan]

He banned from tv. Yeah. He could spit that ver. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mall]

It gets kind of complicated at that point.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Mall]

I don't know what you do with that. So, I mean, I'd like to see it. It would just be a cool night for Harlem if everyone, like, remained friends because they have a lot of mutuals. So I feel like it would be with the amount of mutual friends they have, I think there could be a cool truce there of like, we're all here just to watch music.

[Ryan]

I love to be progressive and thought and I just. I know Harlem. And once that let out happens, do the song, baby. We survived the Let out. Yo, will we survive the. Oh, we survived. That's all you going at the Apollo from right down the block. Nah, that don't even want to go to the verse is going to be outside after that.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ryan]

Nice. It's just. Nah.

[Mall]

Who brings out jewels?

[Ryan]

Yeah. Then you get.

[Mall]

That's like when your parents get divorced and now you gotta like, figure out who you want to stay with.

[Ryan]

I get what Jim is doing, but it's just. It's not gonna happen.

[Mall]

No, it'll definitely never happen.

[Ryan]

That'll never happen.

[Mall]

But what. What sparked this? I mean, obviously, I know they've been going back and forth forever, but was there something specific that just happened?

[Ryan]

I don't know. Jim probably saw something or heard something and. Oh, hey, Jim, listen, man, listen. We get a bag. Yeah, he just saw the French.

[Mall]

That's going to.

[Ryan]

Cam is going to finesse the bag if. If they do that. I mean, not if Jim is a part of. I was saying not if Jim is a part of this negotiation, though. You know what I'm saying? Like, it would be hard. Like, we just saw the French versus, like, they probably got that idea, like

[Mall]

These comments are funny. Said he must be talking about Jada, cuz that's the reason y' all lost.

[Ryan]

You're blaming that loss on Cam is crazy.

[Mall]

Well, there was that rumor that they. That Jim had taken verses a little bit more seriously. He was the one pushing for it because he understood, like, the value of it in the moment, you know, because he pays attention probably a little bit more than Cam to that type of stuff. And he had a set list together, and Cam refused to get out the car. Again, this is speculation. I don't know. And Cam refused to get out the car. And then they had. They argued about the set list, and then that's why they were rapping over the actual songs. And it was a mess because Cam and Jim couldn't get on the same page. That was the rumor on a bunch

[Ryan]

as far as the Settlers performance.

[Mall]

So I see why Jim is saying that based off what the rumors were. But, I mean, he said, let's settle this once and for all. We can do it right In Harlem. We know you ain't been here in a while, but they still love you. I'd like to see it.

[Ryan]

I would love to see it. It's not gonna happen, though. It's not gonna happen. And I think that Cam and Jen would have to have a private conversation first before that happens like this. It's a lot that they have to talk about, and they can't just see each other for the first time on a versus stage after everything that's been said in the last year or two.

[Mall]

Even Jeezy and Gucci got on the phone before.

[Ryan]

Yeah, it can't. That can't happen. Those two have to speak and put their differences aside and. And get on the same page before that can happen. I would love to see it just because it's a great display of music from both of them in Harlem. I mean, it's. You know, it definitely makes sense, but I don't see that happening.

[Mall]

Only Dane could put it together.

[Ryan]

Yeah, we shall see, man. Listen, man, maybe they may feel like, yo, listen, if we get the right bag, maybe we're putting our differences aside. Fuck it. Why not?

[Mall]

They would get a bag for that.

[Ryan]

They would get a super bag for that, for sure. Absolutely.

[Mall]

Though I feel like that's one that, like, maybe you shouldn't get an audience.

[Ryan]

Why not?

[Mall]

Tomorrow's point. Will we survive the letter?

[Ryan]

Yes. I don't know.

[Mall]

Like, do that one on stream. Just y' all in a warehouse.

[Ryan]

Yeah, I don't. Yeah. I love my people, but I Know my people at the same time. You get what I'm saying? Okay, Certain. Certain things ain't for everybody. That's all. Let them. Let them stay home. Let them stay home.

[Mall]

You think the Apollo's allowing that?

[Ryan]

This is what I'm saying. I don't know. It's the world famous Apollo Theater, all right?

[Mall]

That is a fact. So did you watch Ray J get knocked out?

[Ryan]

Oh, man, that hurt me.

[Rory]

It hurt you?

[Ryan]

That hurt me. To see Ray J get put through that, man, that hurt. We ain't supposed to see that happen to Ray J, man.

[Mall]

Why? He wanted to fight. Yeah, but, like, I respect anyone that gets in a ring. I don't care if he lose.

[Ryan]

Yeah, but this was bad, bro.

[Mall]

Well, he. Isn't he also dying?

[Ryan]

This is what I'm saying. Like, his health hasn't been all the way there to get knocked out like that. Like.

[Mall]

Like if. If you're bleeding out the nose, just performing like. I just don't know why you fight.

[Ryan]

Eyes is bleeding when you. When your eyes is bleeding.

[Mall]

He wants to go out fighting.

[Ryan]

You're not supposed to be in no ring fighting, man.

[Mall]

I didn't even know this was happening until, like, two days ago when they were doing the press conference. Like, who said this was a Aiden Ross thing that was set up?

[Ryan]

This was.

[Mall]

Who put this. Like, all right, how did Aiden Ross get Ray J and Super Hot Fire in the same.

[Ryan]

There was a few people. There was Lance Stevenson and Michael Beasley, Johnny Manziel and Bob Menery.

[Mall]

Wait, how did. How did Lance do?

[Ryan]

Lance choked out Mike. He choked out Beas.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Okay, That's Abraham Lincoln right there.

[Ryan]

Yeah, first round choked him out.

[Mall]

That's Coney island right there.

[Ryan]

Yeah, man. Like, yeah, that. But, you know, Bees was saying he wanted to throw hands. He wasn't really with the. He wasn't really with the whole chest club.

[Mall]

That's not how we give it up in front of Nathan's. You getting choked out. Think that happens with the Wonder Wheel? It's gonna be a fair one. Yo, yo, you can get the Cyclone

[Ryan]

Bees looked all right at first, like he was throwing hands. But then, you know, you get choked out. There's nothing you could do about that.

[Mall]

Who did Johnny Manziel fight? I don't know if I'm familiar with that name. Bob Minnery.

[Ryan]

Bob Minnery. Yeah.

[Mall]

Okay. Yeah, that's like a rabbit hole that I'm not. I'm looking here. He was part of the Nelk guys. And then. Is it. See, that's too far. Down the rabbit hole. But respect to anyone that gets in the ring. If you fighting, you fighting. I respect you.

[Ryan]

You agree to get in the ring. Salute to you. But, Ray J, we love you, man. Don't do that again, man.

[Mall]

MMA is just, like, tough, though. I. I get. Because even barstool did. I forgot the name of it. When they would do their boxing thing and would even be, like, some of their employees would fight each other. I get that because boxing one.

[Ryan]

Yes.

[Mall]

Is one of the most difficult sports. But you can't just whale your hands like that. You can't be out of shape and try to kick, too.

[Ryan]

Yeah. Nah.

[Mall]

Like, if your leg doesn't go above that, like,

[Rory]

I've even tried to kick somebody and break my own ankle. Like, let me go and sit down.

[Mall]

I also don't, like, know, even if they're out of shape, I don't know if I'm fighting a professional athlete like that.

[Rory]

Muscle memory kicks in. I feel like at some point and they gonna kick y' all ass.

[Mall]

Like, Johnny Manziel, no matter what he's been doing, still performed at the highest level against the craziest athletes.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Like, I don't. I don't care if you have a better angles than Cam Newton. Like, I'm. I'm not fighting Cam Newton. It's like, hell. But again, I'm an advocate of somebody that if you know how to fight, you'll probably beat somebody that doesn't, even if they're bigger than you. But when it comes to professional athletes, like, nah.

[Ryan]

Yeah, it's still.

[Mall]

Like, we know Draymond Green can fight, but let's say Draymond Green didn't have any experience. I'm not fighting Draymond Green. Just the reach difference. I'm fucked.

[Ryan]

Yeah. Nah, it's definitely. And definitely not if it's boxing.

[Mall]

That's what I'm saying. Like, I could. I could be a trained fighter and still wouldn't be able to even get to Draymond.

[Ryan]

Getting in the MMA ring with Draymond Green is crazy. Like, bro, what you gonna do? He's what, six, nine?

[Mall]

Like, I know Draymond's probably gonna go on to do retirement in media because he's great at it, has his own show. I would love to. To see Draymond get in the MMA ring.

[Ryan]

Who?

[Mall]

Skip.

[Ryan]

No, Come on, man.

[Mall]

I'm with you.

[Ryan]

You can't do that. Jordan Poole, hold up now. You might get something right there. You might have did something with that one. That.

[Mall]

That's the fight we need to see

[Ryan]

Jordan Pool and Draymond. Yeah, I'm watching that. I'm watching.

[Mall]

I mean, there's footage. Yeah.

[Ryan]

No, no, no, no, no. Not that we in the ring. Yeah, I'm watching that. Do we have voicemails? You've got mail.

[Rory]

We do actually.

[Ryan]

Don't play this. It's text. It's text again. Yeah, I know y' all not gonna let this answer go, but y' all being the American or y' all extra right now. Mile over there with his chest out talking about why. Why G not on no J. Cole album? Why'd you not know JJ. Cole album? YG didn't have no J. Cole future. Huh? Huh? I'm just saying it's fishy. Really? Yoki your camp, you also really sit down and be quiet because how the hell your release three albums. Ain't no Little Wayne on there. The thing that signed him, the thing that's considered up there with jazz one of the greatest ever do it. Little Wayne couldn't make it on now one of them 50 ass songs he put out. What about that? Talk about that. Don't just be able to trying to put the other camp visits out there. Wow. Lil Wayne. I don't now one of those three albums.

[Rory]

This one, I'll wait.

[Ryan]

I ain't heard no Lil Wayne and Vaccine and how long. What's going on over there? Tell us that if you're gonna put they business out there. Talk about your campsite as well and where. I'm just pointing to y'. All. Cause he talking a lot of with his chest. I'm like. I'm just saying. I said this. I've been saying it, but you know, nobody want to talk about it no matter what. Why y' all ain't talking about. While Wayne ain't on no breakout. Let me know.

[Mall]

Yeah, don't throw stones in a glass house.

[Rory]

That's why I'm picking out his voicemail.

[Mall]

Because JID and Drake are the same.

[Ryan]

I think what you're missing, sir, is the fact that I was saying who has an artist signed to them. And that artist is currently nominated for rap album of the year. And that same year, that artist has one of their most anticipated albums released and the artist assigned to them that is currently nominated for Rap Albany and not have a feature. That was just weird to me.

[Rory]

That's a completely different.

[Mall]

No, I think it's the same comparison. I think it's. It's spot on. It's like, first of all, it's apples and apples.

[Rory]

Wayne was never signed to Drake the way that Jid was signed to Cole. So that's completely different. Second of all, wasn't Wayne on Certified Lover Boy?

[Ryan]

Yeah, that was the last album.

[Mall]

Yeah, they only. They only have, like, 75 songs together.

[Rory]

That doesn't even make any sense. Like this. You know what y' all be giving the. The Owls. This is why the Owls be hooting at y' all like this. Cause y' all be saying dumb shit like this. Yeah, because they be. This is why they be hooting like that. Cause y' all be saying dumb shit like that. That is so dumb.

[Ryan]

Yeah, it would be the reverse. Like, Drake is Wayne's. What was Wayne's artist?

[Rory]

Not the other way around.

[Ryan]

Not the other way around. So.

[Mall]

Yeah, but, you know, Wayne never did

[Ryan]

anything for Cold Artist. Wayne never did anything for Drake. Yeah, I think you just got it wrong. I think I. I get where you trying to, like, find your aha moment

[Mall]

at, but I think it was the confidence in the aha that was the funniest part about that.

[Ryan]

The whole point of that.

[Rory]

If you can call me, I could call you stupid.

[Ryan]

See, that's true.

[Mall]

Names for not bringing up a completely illogical comparison. You for that.

[Ryan]

Yeah. So, yeah, you just got what we were saying. I think confused, but, yes, his point still stands. And I guess after Jid's tweet, I was correcting what I was saying, though. Seems to be a little tiffed.

[Rory]

Little trouble in paradise.

[Ryan]

Little just, you know, the waters may be just a little unsettled right now.

[Mall]

Why was it HOV on Bully? That's what I want to know.

[Ryan]

Well. Well, I can assure you that Jay Z and Kanye will never be making music again. I can promise you that will never happen. And we know that. So. Yeah. But thank you for the voice.

[Mall]

I just don't know how you even come to that conclusion to compare those two. But, hey, get it how you live, Tex.

[Ryan]

Yeah, man.

[Rory]

Well, I'm not on your album now.

[Ryan]

That's the question.

[Mall]

I told you interludes. Write some poems. I think I can find a text message.

[Ryan]

That's the question still. Everybody's asking.

[Mall]

I'm waiting for the baby devote you sent me.

[Rory]

You told me 500. You sent me music and asked, hey, I know I sent this before, but blah, blah, blah, blah. Who can you hear on this? But you won't hit me again and say, oh, like I'm waiting for your poem. You see what I'm saying?

[Ryan]

Talk about it.

[Rory]

You ain't really looking for it. You text me about everything.

[Mall]

The else somebody had A fish.

[Ryan]

That being the answer. That being your response.

[Mall]

It's my responsibility to follow up with you.

[Ryan]

You could teach somebody how to fish.

[Rory]

You follow up with me with everything the else.

[Ryan]

Right?

[Rory]

They don't got nothing to do with my fish.

[Ryan]

My pom.

[Mall]

I don't like to rush art.

[Ryan]

He got a point. He got a point, baby.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's got to come more.

[Rory]

He don't got no point.

[Ryan]

You can't rush art.

[Rory]

Yes, you can. Plenty of do it all day.

[Mall]

And we know those albums. That's fine.

[Rory]

They're multi millionaires, man.

[Ryan]

The big three. And we was too many chefs in the kitchen. It was a mess to begin with.

[Rory]

Why you can't just enjoy your artists without on the other big three.

[Ryan]

I'm not on nobody who I should have known.

[Mall]

And also, three chefs in one kitchen. Isn't that great?

[Rory]

Crazy.

[Ryan]

It depends on the size of the kitchen.

[Rory]

It's a pretty big.

[Mall]

I mean, you know, the world.

[Ryan]

Still a mess to begin with.

[Mall]

Still a mess to begin with.

[Ryan]

Yeah, it was a mess, bro. It's a mess. All right, well, enjoy the rest of your Memorial Day. Yeah, seeing y'. All. You go home, put something on the grill, or. No, I'm.

[Mall]

I'm in the city. I might. Okay.

[Ryan]

You going to the. You want to watch the game?

[Rory]

Oh, I put some on the city. I mean, on the grill this weekend. Yo, I threw down. What does that matter?

[Ryan]

A girl has a cover girl has a cover girl. And you don't know where Baby D was at.

[Rory]

It was raining. Wherever I was at next time,

[Ryan]

I'm that he's just ginger. That's Baby D. Happy Memorial Day.

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[Rory]

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