Episode 501 | The Roots Remember

Summary

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New Rory & MAL – Episode 501 | The Roots Remember

Date: June 2, 2026
Hosts: Rory, Mal, Damaris, Bluff
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts & The Volume

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Episode Overview

This episode is a lively, layered postmortem on the Roots Picnic weekend in Philly, headlined by Jay-Z’s explosive performance with The Roots—and by extension, his already-legendary, much-discussed freestyle. The crew breaks down their personal Roots Picnic experiences, the hysteria around Jay’s live bars, speculates about the ever-evolving landscape of hip hop beef (Jay-Z vs. Drake, etc.), and dives into running jokes, wild fan DMs, viral Internet rumors, the Diddy sex tape leak, and some Knicks-Spurs NBA Finals banter.

The conversation bounces between hot takes, in-depth cultural analysis, and the playful, sometimes reckless, banter fans love—frequently toggling between mischief and insight.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Roots Picnic Recap & Jay-Z’s Performance

• Travel Fiasco & Hotel Hijinks:

  • Bluff’s hotel stay marred by a run-in with the "Revolutionary Communists of America Party," culminating in his room getting flooded, delayed Ubers, and a run-in with communism and capitalism at the convention’s open bar.
    "They were all staying there and the convention was there, so it was a nightmare just to even leave my room..." (19:00)
  • Comic contrast: denied a free drink at the "Communist Party" bar for lack of a wristband.

• Jay-Z’s Entrance & Freestyle:

  • A major topic: Jay-Z’s Roots Picnic set, his look (unexpectedly rocking an afro instead of his usual dreads), and most importantly, the opening Hovie Baby freestyle in which Jay addressed years of rumors and industry drama.
  • Discussion about conspiracy theories regarding Hov's hair, rumors he was going to revert to his “Caesar” cut, and the collective shock when he appeared with an afro.
    "You can hear people in video screaming, 'That's Jay-Z!' Because his hair was out..." (22:59)
  • The group commends Jay's artistry and the emotional delivery, noting it was more raw and direct than his typically composed style.
  • Breakdown of Jay's layered bars—touching on everything from legal drama (the Busbee bar), the Megan/Tory situation and jail calls, to shots at Dame Dash, UN, Kanye ("I’ll stab you"), Nicki Minaj, and Oschino.
  • Notable Quotes:
    • “For rap purposes, entertainment, I loved all of this. That hit me in the chest harder than any bar that’s ever happened in life. 'Please cancel the brunches. I’m so sick of this hunger pain.'” – Bluff (41:45)
    • “That was the first time I seen Jay proudly rap and exude a different type of emotion... Like, ‘Watch your fucking mouth.’” – Damaris (34:53)

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2. Bar-by-Bar Jay-Z Freestyle Breakdown (31:04–54:00)

• Addressing Rumors & Lawsuits:
  • Jay opens with a bar about wishing to clear his name before his grandmother passes, referencing the stress of rumors reaching family.
  • Shots at lawyer Busbee and legal battles: “1-800-ambulance chaser, I woulda wished one would came, Busbee getting bars out.”
  • Reference to the Megan Thee Stallion/Tory Lanez case and the ease with which people peddle narratives regardless of truth.
• Dame Dash, UN, & State Property:
  • Possibly the most forceful bars directed at Dame—“Ma N teeth is tumbling out their mouth, and somehow I'm the one who done it.”
  • Discussion on how Jay is uncharacteristically emotional, possibly fed up with years of silent restraint.
• Kanye & Nicki:
  • Jay flips “Killing Me Softly”/Lauryn Hill lines, women as cash cows, and Kanye references, including the infamous “stab you” line.
  • Mimics Nicki’s flows for comic effect.
• Level of calculation:
  • The hosts emphasize how calculated Jay-Z is, always “addressing it in the music,” never on podcasts or interviews.

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3. Speculations: Hip Hop’s “Battle of Titans” (Jay-Z vs. Drake?) (54:00–80:00)

• Is a True Jay-Z and Drake Rap Battle Brewing?
  • The hosts debate what constitutes “peers” in hip hop: timeline vs. achievement vs. artistic clout.
  • Bluff floats the possibility that Hov’s freestyle could escalate to a full-blown back-and-forth with Drake; Damaris expects it “has to happen,” but hopes it stays strictly to raps.
    • “My man got 297,000 sitting in the app waiting on the cat.” – Damaris on betting, but echoing anticipation for a showdown (121:02)
  • Cautions about how the internet and “the rules” now promote more reckless, personal attacks in beefs, worried that things will get messy rather than lyrical.
    "Kendrick and Drake were throwing little shots at each other for years, and then it finally happened..." (62:42)
  • Damaris on picking sides if beef does happen: “I might have to ride with my man Drake, man. Over your actual family? Yeah, man.” (72:31)
• Should Nicki respond in rap to Jay?
  • Debate whether Nicki Minaj, as an all-time great rapper, is now “required” to clap back with music—not just tweets.
    “We gotta hold Nicki the same standard as any rapper… If a rapper raps at you after you’ve been talking shit, you have to rap.” – Bluff (60:48)

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4. Roots Picnic Highlights, Artists & Setlists (86:00–93:20)

• Performances:
  • The group shares personal highlights: Jasmine Sullivan’s “Feelin’ It,” the State Property mini-reunion, Petey Crack, Freeway, Beans, and Young Gunz all take the stage.
  • Wale spotted in the VIP section, plus lively banter about name-dropping friends and luminaries encountered at the festival. "Seeing Petey Crack, Jay-Z, Freeway, and Beans together on stage...I may have shed a tear." – Bluff (86:36)
  • Mariah the Scientist's set, Brandy bringing out Monica, TI’s side-stage show, block parties with Dave Chappelle, and more.
• Funny Moment:
  • In “Where I’m From,” someone in the crowd gets knocked out, Wale tries to hand his water from the stage to revive them (90:49).

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5. Running Jokes, Viral DMs, and Controversial Takes

• Internet Drama & Foot Pic Gags
  • Damaris recounts a flood of DMs from fans wanting to buy her feet pics after recent podcast edits implied romance with More/Mal, and others offering to pay for “feet content.”
    • “This nigga is willing to pay for it. You sucking my toes for free. You unappreciative.” – Rory (10:38)
  • Hilarious dialogue about the rise of foot pic selling, the ethics of foot-only OnlyFans, and who on the pod would (or wouldn’t) do it.
• Fake Industry Rumors
  • The crew reacts to blogger Tasha K's tweet alleging Jay-Z kicked Rory and Mal out of his section at Roots Picnic because he “thought you both were Drake fans.”
    • “Imagine Jay leaving backstage: I thought you was a Drake fan. Yo, kick them out.” – (102:04)
  • All confirm the story is fabricated: Damaris was in NY and isn’t signed to Roc Nation, Rory remained at the festival.

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6. Diddy Sex Tape Leak & Consent

• The team weighs in on the Diddy sex tape leak with Daphne Joy, using it as a springboard to discuss revenge porn, Internet invasiveness, and the double standards surrounding leaked nudes.
• The banter gets wild but circles back to a strong position against non-consensual leaks.
  • “Revenge porn is abuse. Extorting someone with their intimate moments that they didn’t consent to and selling it and posting it is abuse, and it’s nasty and don’t do it.” – Bluff (112:08)

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7. NBA Finals – Knicks vs. Spurs

• Sports Betting & Fandom
  • There's animated talk about Knicks' and Spurs’ NBA Finals prospects, with Damaris torn between home pride and her friend's $300k future ticket on the Spurs. “Jalen Brunson ain’t paying my man’s mortgage, B. That’s just a fact.” – Damaris (121:04)
  • Odds, MVP predictions, and rivalry banter finish out the episode’s tone.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “That hit me in the chest harder than any bar that’s ever happened in life. Please, please cancel the brunches. I’m so sick of this hunger pain.” – Bluff (41:45)
• “That was the first time I seen Jay proudly rap and exude a different type of emotion…” – Damaris (34:53)
• “Yo, people actually like believe this shit… No, ‘cause that’s like, everybody knows about the Me and Mall running joke.” – Rory (07:10)
• “If a rapper raps at you after you’ve been talking shit, you have to rap.” – Bluff (60:48)
• “I might have to ride with my man Drake, man. Over your actual family? Yeah, man.” – Damaris (72:31)
• “Cancel the brunches. I remember that hunger pain.” – Jay-Z (quoted) / Bluff (41:42)

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Important Timestamps

• Roots Picnic Recap & Hotel Story: 18:38–21:28
• Jay-Z Freestyle Entry & Hair Theories: 22:33–28:49
• Freestyle Bar-by-Bar Analysis: 31:04–54:00
• Debating Jay-Z/Drake “Peer” Status & Beef Potential: 54:00–80:00
• Roots Picnic State Property Reunion: 86:36–88:30
• Tasha K Rumor/Twitter Debunk: 99:11–104:10
• Diddy Tape & Revenge Porn Ethics: 106:49–119:02
• NBA Finals Knicks vs. Spurs Banter: 120:02–124:59

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Tone & Style

The episode embodies the freewheeling, irreverent but deeply knowledgeable energy that characterizes New Rory & Mal. Regular moments of cultural criticism and hip hop nerddom are blended with running inside jokes, self-deprecation, and fan-driven internet chaos. The guests and hosts openly challenge each other’s opinions, all while maintaining a sense of camaraderie and genuine love for the culture.

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For Listeners Who Missed It

• Expect in-depth, multi-angle commentary on Jay-Z’s career-defining Roots Picnic set and what it means in hip hop’s ongoing hierarchy.
• Get a front-row seat for hilarious internet rumor-busting, wild DM stories, and spicy banter about everything from feet pics to NBA Finals.
• You'll hear both reverent homage to hip hop history and sly anticipation for its next flashpoint—whether a Jay-Z and Drake lyrical battle, or the next viral rumor.

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In summary:
Episode 501 is a brisk, bar-for-bar and beat-for-beat recap of the wildest week in hip hop, as experienced by some of the genre’s most plugged-in and quick-witted commentators. Bravo to the Roots for a legendary show—and to Jay-Z, who still leaves everyone guessing what’s next.

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Transcript

[Rory]

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[Bluff]

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[Bluff]

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[Rory]

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[Damaris]

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[Bluff]

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[Damaris]

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[Bluff]

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[Damaris]

I was telling everybody, everybody.

[Bluff]

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[Damaris]

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[Bluff]

Oh, the clock is on. The clock is on. Yeah.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Bluff]

Everyone relax.

[Damaris]

Oh, okay. My bad. I'm sorry. What's up, baby D? You good?

[Rory]

I'm great.

[Damaris]

What's vibing with you?

[Rory]

You know, chilling.

[Damaris]

Mm.

[Bluff]

Mm.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Popping your collar.

[Rory]

Popping my collar on him. You know me.

[Damaris]

Look at that.

[Bluff]

I have beef with you. I have beef with you. And I have beef with you.

[Damaris]

So what's up, the three of y'? All?

[Bluff]

It's just me and Ryan against y' all at this point.

[Damaris]

You got beef with me, Damaris and Peach.

[Bluff]

Specifically Peej. But you guys did participate in it. Fuck that.

[Damaris]

Why you got beef with Peej?

[Bluff]

I bust my ass, spend my own money, make history, put the first music video on Netflix in the history of Netflix. I'm basking in my own glory, patting myself on the back. I have an acting scene that I wrote that's scripted. That's part of my life. And this. And I'm people in the comments like, yo, Aurora, acting chops is crazy. I'm basking on my way down to Philly of. Of my accomplishments. Yeah. And then you two put out a scripted scene that smokes mine. Just step on all my.

[Rory]

Without even trying.

[Bluff]

The hoops I had to go through.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Bluff]

To get that done. And you two sit on a couch and completely get me out the paint like that. No, I didn't. I'm telling you, I didn't like it. How are you not listening to me? I didn't like it.

[Damaris]

I a like that. Yeah. You supposed to like that. You know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

Step your up. They might put my name in the title on that.

[Bluff]

I'm running around Roots picnic, which we'll get to. And people coming up to me and I'm thinking they're about to be like, yo, love the new record. Video's crazy.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Bluff]

Yeah. Yo, Oscar.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bluff]

Everyone running up to me. Yo, yo with the pod. But yo, are Damaris and More dating.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Bluff]

That's the only thing I was asked Every respecter.

[Rory]

Damn, man. They ain't asked for they could find a single at.

[Bluff]

Nobody gave a.

[Damaris]

About me.

[Bluff]

Lucky Black Odyssey. Aristotle.

[Damaris]

Yeah, get all that.

[Bluff]

Yeah, yeah.

[Damaris]

No, Nobody care about that, right? Damn, that's hilarious.

[Bluff]

Yo, Peach, you smoked that clip.

[Damaris]

Yeah, great. For.

[Bluff]

For those that don't know Peach, there was a voicemail and we started to get into, like, some role play type thing, and Peach cut it up so well that it looked like Mo and Damaris were dating.

[Damaris]

Yeah, it was.

[Rory]

It were. There were people commenting. I was like, where can I find this show? Where can I find this show? Like, I want to see the rest. I'm like, this is a podcast that is just cut up.

[Damaris]

Like, well, you should have told them that we're back. Sponsored by Boost Mobile Unlimited Talk Texas Data. And you could catch the show on Netflix three days a week when we are international now. So they can, you know, tell you people overseas, baby, that they can catch us on Netflix as well.

[Rory]

They can.

[Damaris]

What?

[Bluff]

I mean, it wasn't just strangers or people that didn't watch the show. If you go through the comments, it's people that we all know. Like, for real. For real. Know.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Bluff]

Where I was like, yo, what is going on right now? Yeah. Did I miss something?

[Damaris]

That's part of great acting, you know, and great editing, you know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

Heavy on a great editing spill into

[Bluff]

y' all personal lives.

[Damaris]

So now I don't even know if Denzel's a good actor. Like, man, I think about maybe the editor for his movies is just, like, really dope. Like, I don't know. I gotta start going back. I gotta watch X again. How much of that is in the edit?

[Bluff]

Honestly, the King Kong scene in Training Day, that's the cinematography.

[Damaris]

Yeah. I don't know. I don't know if that's Denzel, is all I'm saying. I gotta.

[Bluff]

We gotta know. He improvised that and it wasn't in the script, but became the most iconic shit ever.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but we gotta start paying attention to the editing. Yeah.

[Bluff]

No, it was a director of photography.

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah. That's all I'm saying, man.

[Bluff]

Which, though, I mean, when it does come with comedic shit, the editors do need more. More credit. Yeah, I hear you, but I feel like some of you must have gotten text messages. The fact that it was so prominent to strangers at Roots Picnic that y' all were dating. I know people hit you.

[Rory]

So my friend. My friends got texts and they will call me, laughing because, like, their family members or friends are like, hit them up and they were, like, laughing, like, they all look at this. Like, people actually, like, believe this shit. Like, with my dating life. No, because that's like, everybody knows about the Me and Mall, like, running joke.

[Bluff]

But.

[Rory]

But there was a fan that wrote me and say, yo, like, no disrespect to your man. Well, he wasn't a fan.

[Damaris]

He was new.

[Rory]

He found me through, I guess, that cliff and was like, no disrespect to your man, but you are beautiful. And I'm a whole time, like, damn, like, how I got a man like, what he. What he know?

[Bluff]

Dirty macking. A fake relationship is where we're at in 2026.

[Rory]

No disrespect them all, but you're beautiful. Get the.

[Damaris]

Yeah. No disrespect to me, baby. Why can't we know? Disrespect to me. Like, see, why you. Why?

[Bluff]

Why?

[Damaris]

That's the part that got you mad. Cause you don' don't want to disrespect me, yo.

[Rory]

No disrespect to the marriage.

[Damaris]

Don't. Don't nobody hit my phone talking about, yo, yo. I'm saying, like, no disrespect to Shorty, but, like, yo, like, you faithful to her. That don't happen. Like, you think somebody.

[Rory]

They know you not faithful. They don't got to ask.

[Damaris]

They know you going, Baby D. That's not what it is. They know that we are not together.

[Bluff]

It ain't going.

[Damaris]

Baby D was trying to paint me like a hoe, man.

[Bluff]

I also want to note that DMing a girl knowing she has a man and saying no disrespect to your man, but you're beautiful is disrespectful.

[Damaris]

Is it?

[Bluff]

Yes.

[Damaris]

I mean, a guy.

[Bluff]

Why? Why? All right. Why do you need to tell her she's beautiful?

[Damaris]

Yeah, but it's like, I don't. I don't know if a guy telling your girl she's beautiful is disrespectful, though. Like, now if you standing there with her, holding her hand, and he walk up like, yo, fam. No disrespect, but my. You beautiful.

[Bluff]

That's the Instagram version of it.

[Rory]

No, it's not. It's not.

[Damaris]

You're not there. You're not in her DMs.

[Bluff]

So let me. Let's try to get in the mind of that guy, even though none of us would do that. Let's try. What is his goal there? You think his. He's so innocent that he just wants to let this woman know that she's beautiful. No, he's trying to test the waters to see if she'll cheat.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but that's not disrespectful to me. He don't owe no respect to me, so he can't disrespect me unless I'm standing right there. Then that's disrespectful. But in a DM like that ain't. That's not disrespectful.

[Bluff]

You see me on that page?

[Damaris]

He's shooting his shot for sure. Yeah, you're right in that he's shooting his shot.

[Bluff]

He's not just some gallant scholar on the. Hey, you're so sure. I just want women to feel beautiful for sure. No, you're trying to fuck.

[Damaris]

But it's not disrespectful to me because, again, I don't know him. I don't know that he's telling my girl that. So it's like, you know.

[Bluff]

Would you feel away if Damaris replied to that dm, though, as her man,

[Damaris]

if I was something? Yeah, that's. That's disrespect.

[Rory]

Okay, but hear me out. So.

[Damaris]

Nah, see, hold on.

[Bluff]

It ain't no hearing me out.

[Damaris]

That's the problem with y' all now. Always want somebody to hear y' all out.

[Rory]

God forbid.

[Damaris]

See yourself.

[Rory]

Listen, so if you my man. If you're my man, not Maul, but you're my. My actual man at home. And the dude that wrote that was writing that, but he was referencing Maul, and I wrote him back. Like, technically, he's disrespecting Maul. He not disrespecting you. He don't even know you exist. He think Maul my man. Are you seeing what I'm saying?

[Damaris]

Yeah, I guess.

[Rory]

Like, he think you. He don't think my man. He think you. Cause he think that you my man.

[Damaris]

He don't think I'm. Oh, you don't think that.

[Rory]

But to the man, to the man that wrote me and said, hey, Damaris, I see your feet are out every week on Netflix. But if you ever wanted to sell feet content, I will be down to buy it. I did your rent. I did screenshot that and send that out like, yo, see, Be sucking my toes for free.

[Damaris]

Will get your rent paid, baby.

[Rory]

This nigga is willing to pay for it. You sucking my toes for free. You unappreciative.

[Bluff]

I know the foot fetish, baby. D, if you put 4K on Netflix on your big screen, and it's Damaris White toe, I know they were going Nothing.

[Damaris]

Baby D, just go ahead and put your feet in a bowl of milk. Put the apple jacks around each toes like hula hoops. Go and get your rent paid. I'm giving you free game. Put the apple jacks around your toes, Baby D, pour the milk on your feet and tell them you need 1500 for the video.

[Bluff]

Okay, Damaris, I would pay for the BTS version of that. Watching you get everything together, I would love.

[Rory]

So Now I'm at 3,000. I'm at 3,000 off one bowl of milk.

[Damaris]

I'm trying to help you out, baby.

[Bluff]

I would pay to watch. James, put the camera down. I want to see you grab the bowl, and I want to see you try to put it.

[Damaris]

Put the apple Jacks around each toe like a toe ring.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Bluff]

And then you got to restart because the milk changed color.

[Damaris]

Yeah. That's all. And then dip your foot in the milk.

[Rory]

Are you going to be my assistant? Like, will you help me?

[Damaris]

I'll be. Yeah, I'll be your director on set.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Damaris]

I'll help you out, get the lighting right for you. Make sure.

[Rory]

Let me. DM me. If you want that content. If you want to be first in line for that content.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Bluff]

I already told you, if there was anyone on earth that cared to look at my feet in pain, they're your pro cap.

[Rory]

Because there are mad that want to see your feet, but you not really like that.

[Damaris]

Wait, men.

[Rory]

Yes. You not really like that.

[Damaris]

Son, don't disrespect my bro like that. That's my brother right there. In case you haven't noticed, men want to see Rory's feet.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Bluff]

Is the Abby blank. Do I know it's a man?

[Damaris]

Is the Abbey.

[Bluff]

I can chalk it up. I might feel comfortable with it, because I don't know. Hey, it could be a woman.

[Damaris]

Hey, it's the Abby Blake.

[Bluff]

Because I was like. Because if a man asked, yo, I'll pay you to see if you'd be like, yo, get the out my deal. If a woman did, I'd be like, all right, man, I could use the. The walking around money, but if the abbey's blank, I would trick myself to be like, well, I don't know, son.

[Damaris]

You selling feet Pick is crazy, dog. But, baby D, I'm telling you, you should get your off. There's money out there waiting on you.

[Bluff]

So what's the process? Do I have to ask for, like, the first half deposit and then the back end after I set my toes? Yeah, I might need it all up front. Yeah, I'm a man of my word.

[Damaris]

I'll send it run over your back. He got Rory feet picking. He ran off in the back.

[Bluff]

He got my feet for 50% off.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Bluff]

Crazy.

[Damaris]

Oh, my God, man.

[Rory]

Souls and all, yo. Souls and all.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Call it souls in the hole.

[Rory]

Souls all three holes.

[Damaris]

There you go.

[Rory]

But no, I don't think I'm gonna sell feet pics because what if my husband has a foot fetish? Like, I'm technically, like, giving out, like, his favorite part of my body for, like, I've given that out. Like, I don't want to do that.

[Damaris]

He got a fall back. Come on, feet.

[Rory]

Nah, but if that's his fetish, I don't want. If that's my husband's fetish, then he should be the only one seeing my feet.

[Damaris]

Like the Netflix seeing your feet.

[Rory]

The Netflix flash.

[Damaris]

Maybe the only one touching your feet, sucking on your toes, but seeing them,

[Bluff]

you talking about, like, it's like your balloon knot. Like, if you go to the beach, you're not going to wear shoes.

[Damaris]

Yeah, like seeing your. Your husband should be the only one that sees your feet.

[Rory]

Well, I mean, obviously, if we're out at the sand, but I'm talking about, like, he should be the only person with a foot fetish comes across my feet in a fetish, like, way. Like he should. He should be the only one seeing me step on a banana.

[Bluff]

I'm. I'm using all restraint to make any your man desire jokes right now because I don't want to go down that path. But they're teed up right now. That's all I'm saying.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I think you thinking too much into baby D. Or maybe I'm not just a couple.

[Rory]

Maybe that's a conversation I've already had.

[Damaris]

I'm sure that's a conversation you already had. I know that's a conversation. I know that's a conversation you already had. But it's like, he gotta chill, son. Tell. Tell him to call me. Tell him to call me. I holla at him. I get them wrong. So just chill. Fall back.

[Bluff]

Oh, he already said no disrespect to

[Damaris]

you, but you didn't get that bag and just, you know me. It's just. It's just pictures, homie. That's it.

[Rory]

It's just pictures. Didn't you say foot fetish? I mean, foot only fans leads to, like, ass only fans. Didn't you say that? And then you say it's a gateway drug.

[Damaris]

It is a gateway. It starts at the feet. Yeah, because when you, when you get undressed, typically, what you take off first, Your shoes, right? Follow me, follow me down the yellow brick road, Baby D. So now you starting at the feet, right? And what happens is, homie, that look up and be like, yo, I done spent 10 bands on her feet, right? Do I say the year. He done gave you 10,000 for the year feet picks. He come across, he got a raise, he got a bonus for Christmas, he got an extra 20k to blow. If he be like, yo, listen, for Christmas, I ain't gonna lie. I want you to put on a Santa hat, and I want you to put on, like, you know, the Mrs. Claus thing. But I want it to be short. Bend over, let me see the balloon knot for 20 bands.

[Bluff]

And mind you, you have a taste of that feet money already, your face ain't in it.

[Damaris]

It's just you bent over. We don't know who balloon knot that is. Everybody got one, right? I don't know, Baby D. I think for the 20k, your face ain't in it. I think you would entertain it. I'm not gonna say you'll do it, but if you open your phone and see 20k pending, and all you got to do is send a balloon night.

[Bluff]

This is why our CPM is so low.

[Rory]

I would, like. I could. I would just ask y' all for, like, a raise. Like, I don't. Like. I don't. I'm not. I don't need to spread my. And seeing a hat.

[Bluff]

I would.

[Damaris]

Nobody know you. If nobody knows it's you, he don't even. Homie don't even know if that's you.

[Rory]

Oh, I would definitely have one of my. I've. I've. I've had homegirls send me nudes before to send it.

[Damaris]

Okay, so now we understand.

[Bluff]

Crazy.

[Damaris]

Now we understand.

[Bluff]

Wait. Talk about a friend. What the.

[Damaris]

Your homegirl sent you a nude to send to somebody before.

[Rory]

We almost got caught, though.

[Bluff]

Which homegirl? How come they don't do that with me? And more.

[Rory]

I forgot to send this to Airbrush. I forgot to airbrush out her tattoos. And he was like, I didn't know you had tattoos.

[Damaris]

What? You said you got them removed. Yeah, it's quick on your feet right there, Baby D. Yeah, I wish I would, Matt. See, that's the thing. Women could do that men can't.

[Bluff]

You can't do that.

[Damaris]

Yo, girl, this nigga want to see me naked. Send me some of your news real quick. I can't be like, yo, Rory, shorty's trying to see the hammer sending a

[Rory]

pink dick is crazy.

[Damaris]

That's what I'm saying. I can't.

[Bluff]

It just wrote itself. I didn't even say. That would be the funniest fucking thing.

[Damaris]

I got vitiligo. She don't know. She don't know is what I'm saying. She don't know. She don't know. She don't know what's up.

[Bluff]

Hypothetically, this would be the funniest thing. I'm never sending you my dick. But hypothetically, I would just love to see that fucking reaction.

[Damaris]

Yeah, she don't know. She don't know where it starts and where it ends at.

[Bluff]

How she knows that is a fact.

[Damaris]

Yeah, she'll know that.

[Rory]

I never even considered that people could have Vitiligo on their dicks.

[Bluff]

You didn't watch the Michael Jackson trial?

[Rory]

That didn't cross my mind.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Anyway, your skin melanated is. That is melanated. You get vitiligo. Yeah, that's interesting.

[Bluff]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

But just maybe to your mom, what's your. Why your wheels turning?

[Bluff]

But Villa Lago, even people that have it, like, super severe, it's, you know, it's dalmatian ish. Yeah, just a straight white dick is hilarious.

[Damaris]

You see, we can't do that. Baby D. Women, y' all get that off. We can't do it.

[Bluff]

Yo, like, mall's bottom half. Just being white is the funniest thing in the world.

[Damaris]

That would be funny as I would be sad. I would be sad if that was the case. I would be contemplating suicide. Oh, damn. I can't say that.

[Bluff]

What's. What's the corner store? Cookies. The black and white cookies.

[Kal Penn]

Yeah.

[Bluff]

That's just you walking around half moon.

[Damaris]

No, look, there you go. I'm a zebra cake. Nice guy. Keep going like, what the fuck you like.

[Rory]

Meanwhile, his dick actually white like you over. Like you over there with all these jokes.

[Bluff]

Bitch, your dick is actually white. I'm aware that my dick is white. I don't take offense to that.

[Rory]

Yo, I'm.

[Damaris]

Thank you, Ryan, for pulling up Black and white cookies. Thank you. He's doing a great job over there.

[Bluff]

Holy shit.

[Rory]

How was Roots, Rory?

[Bluff]

I mean, where do we want to start? I'll start by saying that the hotel I stayed in was over taken by the rca. And I'm sure you guys are wondering who's the rca? It's the revolutionary Communists of America party. I was the only one that wasn't part of the party that was in the hotel.

[Rory]

Oh, I thought you meant the record. Later.

[Bluff]

For three days straight. Oh, no. I walked. I saw RCA shirts. I was like, damn, rca. Back on a street team promo. Like, oh, yeah, this old school.

[Damaris]

I like this Roots picnic.

[Bluff]

They try to get their label.

[Damaris]

No, fight the streams.

[Bluff]

I don't want to give Maga more any ammo. No, but I will say it's exactly what you guys thought. It was a lot of blue hair. It was a lot of septum piercings,

[Damaris]

a lot of lesbians.

[Bluff]

Exactly what you thought.

[Damaris]

I know, I know.

[Bluff]

So two days, the elevators are mess. Like, I was like, why did I pick the hotel that has a convention? They were all staying there, and the convention was there, so it was a nightmare just to even leave my room. I was like, is it worth 20 minutes on the elevator? Two days pass. It's cool, it's whatever. But one of these commie bastards floods their bathtub above my room.

[Damaris]

Oh, my God.

[Bluff]

And floods my entire fucking room.

[Rory]

Are you serious?

[Damaris]

Oh, my.

[Bluff]

And it's completely sold out. I got the. Literally the last room when I book my route.

[Damaris]

Shit.

[Bluff]

Every hotel is completely fucking booked. So now I just got to sit in the mildew room. I got the windows open. I bought like, seven candles. They got people coming in, trying to vacuum this shit up.

[Damaris]

That ain't going to work.

[Bluff]

So I already have, like, a little disdain for. For these commies, you know, I started watching Russian footage, Cuba footage. I'm starting to get them. Can feel my powers against communists coming back while it's dripping on top of my head. Like, now I know how Kennedy felt.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bluff]

So it's the last. This last night. I'm gonna go meet Sean. He's at a restaurant. And Ubers were tough, so it was like 14 minutes till my Uber came. And they were doing their. Their like, farewell party in the lobby, like, not in the rooms and shit. Like, in front desk, sitting there waiting. And they got an open bar. Yeah. I'm like, the least they owe me at this point. I might as well get a drink while I wait for my. My Uber, Go up to the Communist party bar. And they said, sorry, sir, if you don't have a wristband, I have to charge you for this drink.

[Damaris]

Oh, they brought out the bar.

[Bluff]

It's communism all.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but I'm just saying, give me

[Bluff]

my fucking free drink.

[Rory]

Nah, you don't believe in communism right now.

[Bluff]

You believe I don't have a band. If I didn't pay for a band, I can't get a drink.

[Rory]

You believe in capitalism.

[Bluff]

They believe in capitalism.

[Damaris]

Clearly they do.

[Rory]

Clearly they Ain't your.

[Bluff]

But other than that, it was a fine experience.

[Damaris]

Other than that, the Roots picnic was great, though.

[Bluff]

It was a very, very good time.

[Damaris]

Once you got to the ground.

[Bluff]

Yes.

[Rory]

Okay, so how did things Once you go. Once you got to the ground?

[Bluff]

Yes. After that entire mess. First day Saturday, HOV headlining, I was on my way to the festival grounds. And Mo, you know, I'm usually somebody that wants to get there early and see all the acts, but I looked at my Boost mobile phone and I said, I'm gonna get there early just so I can find a spot to watch Hove. And I'm gonna sit there like I'm camping out in front of the Supreme Store and also shout out to Boost. Boost Mode was the reason I was even able to have service at the Roots picnic.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Bluff]

Where everyone else is down. Get to the Juice a riser. I've been through this before. People want to roam around this and that. I'm going to sit my ass right next to this gate for the next five fucking hours and wait for.

[Damaris]

I don't want to lose your spot.

[Bluff]

Hell, no. So where do we want to begin? Let's start with Hovie Baby.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Bluff]

What an intro. Did you guys watch the entire thing?

[Damaris]

I've seen clips, but I know the order. I didn't see, like, it's straight through. But I know that he came out to Hobie, baby.

[Bluff]

Okay, so Hobie, baby.

[Damaris]

Oh, no. Pause. Wasn't he just standing on stage at first and a lot of people didn't even know it was him.

[Rory]

Yeah, because he had his hair. Yeah, he was standing on stage with his hair out and nobody recognized him.

[Bluff]

Well, it was more of a silhouette.

[Damaris]

Like the silhouette.

[Bluff]

Guys, we knew Jay Z.

[Rory]

No, there were.

[Bluff]

We knew Jay Z was coming on stage.

[Rory]

You know, it's not about that. A lot of people didn't know that was him standing on stage. You can hear people in video screaming, that's Jay Z. Because his hair was out. They didn't expect it. It just. There was a bunch of people standing on stage. They probably thought it was just.

[Bluff]

Okay, well, let's. Let's backtrack then. There was rumors because next to Brooklyn bowl or whatever venue that was, HOV did like a rehearsal show on Friday night with the Roots. And he had his hoodie up. There was footage. He had his hoodie up and it was tight. So people were thinking that maybe because he's doing Reasonable Doubt blueprint and everything, that he was bringing the Caesar back and he didn't want to show it at the Rehearsal shoot. So he kept it like that, which

[Damaris]

I think he still might do for the Yankee Stadium.

[Bluff]

Yeah, I could see that. So, yeah, everyone really thought that he had cut his hair. But, I mean, the silhouette. I hear you, Damaris, but that's. I think that's. People just excited at the show. Like, everyone knew the Roots were on and HOV was coming out with that silhouette. But Hovie Baby, which has one of my favorite J versions of all time, I thought was a interesting but appreciated way to come out. And we had talked about last Monday coming off the Drake shit, if Ho was gonna reply. And we had said, I doubt he's gonna give reasonable doubt and blueprint that, because he wants to focus all the legacy in that and not make it about something else. So Roots seemed like the most logical place that he was going to do some type of freestyle. The way he's done it, both B sides, I was not expecting it after the second verse of Hovie Baby, I didn't know he was popping the fucking show off that way. Like, that stopped the entire. Everyone went fucking nuts. We're at Roots Picnic. Hove back by. The Roots were screaming. I didn't know. All of us were just about to get dead quiet and get our talking to. It was one of the craziest things to see live, period. I saw B side freestyle, which I love. The nipsey stuff, this and that. I didn't know I was at the We Declare War concert. For real this time. Nas isn't coming out to shake hands. He saw blood. I saw blood. I was. I was ready. Yo, where? Old Skin Lab. Yeah, let's get a posse together, please. Where do you want to start with this freestyle?

[Damaris]

Because at the top of it.

[Bluff]

Okay, I will fast forward. I went to the after party that Jermaine Dupree was throwing, and the first moment I saw him, he said, I need you to Facetime Mall right now. I said, J.D. we're at a. We're at a party. Like, we're in a club. We're at a party in a section. B. Cox, Sean, Pretty Women. He said based on mall. He didn't even say hello. Rory. Based on mall right now.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Bluff]

I give him my phone. Mall answers. JD doesn't say hi to Maul. He starts screaming in a club around women. Pick a side of the family.

[Rory]

Oh, my God.

[Bluff]

And just starts fucking screaming, terrifying the hoes. What side of the family are you picking? And mind you, it was funny in the club, but all of us around in the section were like, what side are you Gonna pick.

[Damaris]

Y' all are crazy, man.

[Bluff]

You and I have not spoken this weekend. No, I have been at the edge of my seat, and we could do a breakdown of this. This freestyle first, but that's where my head is at at the moment. No one wins when the family feuds. And it's your family.

[Damaris]

It depends on.

[Bluff]

You're the feud.

[Damaris]

It depends on who in the family is feuding. Depends on who in the family is feuding. But I will say this, though. The funny about all of this is Drake is the one that told me about this. This. This freestyle. Cause I was watching the spurs game. Like, I wasn't online. I wasn't. I wasn't online. It was. Game seven was on. You know, the Knicks is waiting. I'm trying to see who the Knicks gonna get. Like, so I'm not even paying attention to my phone. Nothing. So I think it was halftime or something. So I look at my phone and I see texts from Drake. And I'm just reading it, and I'm like. I'm like, okay. So he did. Which we all said was probably gonna happen. Won't get into what our conversation was from there.

[Rory]

He said, nigga, get your uncle.

[Damaris]

No, he didn't say that.

[Bluff]

But that's so crazy. He's talking to Drake during this. I'm next to Biggs on the riser. I chose the side.

[Damaris]

Ooh, no, no, I'm with Biggs. But the whole thing is Biggs is

[Bluff]

on the riser with us.

[Damaris]

I don't know what's. I don't know what's happening. So everything that we talking about, I don't even know what was said. So he was saying he was, you know, picking out certain things that he said. But the one thing that Trick said was like, yo, but what's up with the hair? That was what everybody. So now, mind you, I haven't seen a picture.

[Bluff]

They're gonna kill. They're gonna kill Drake for that because they. Never mind.

[Damaris]

No, but what's up with the heads? What everybody was saying? Like, everybody was shocked at Jay's. We've never seen Jay with Afro.

[Bluff]

That is a fact.

[Damaris]

And the last time we saw him, he had wicks down in the middle of his back. So it was kind of like. Like, is that a wig? Is he cosplaying right now? Is this some nwa? Is this some. Is he on his Eazy in.

[Bluff]

All right. In Drake's defense at the.

[Damaris]

Not saying that's what Drake said, but that's what the Internet was saying. Like, yo, like, nobody Understood the hair. At first. Niggas got into the lyrics and the bars after they got past the look, the aesthetic of it. Because we've never seen hov like that at.

[Bluff]

At the show. Admittedly, everyone around us, whether it was fans or people we were with on the riser, were coming up with conspiracies throughout the whole. Yo, when's he going to take the wig off? And it's going to be the season. I said, jay Z is not putting an afro wig on and taking it off.

[Damaris]

What is.

[Bluff]

I know. I was like with no. Like, are y' all retarded?

[Damaris]

But. But this is what I'm saying. People were so confused that everybody just started talking about the hate, the aesthetic first.

[Bluff]

But I think that comes from all the rumors the day before where it's like, oh, he's going to have the Caesar.

[Damaris]

Exactly, exactly.

[Bluff]

You know hov far better than everyone in this room. Do you think Jay Z is putting on a wig and taking it off?

[Damaris]

No, that's. That's just not going to happen.

[Bluff]

People are like, I could see him coming out to Reasonable Doubt shit with the hoodie on and taking his hoodie off. And it's a Caesar for hov is not. How is taking a wig on Zeloween?

[Rory]

I don't want him to cut it. He looks really pretty with the afro.

[Bluff]

I like the Afro.

[Damaris]

It was cute.

[Rory]

Yeah, he looks like his daughter.

[Damaris]

I'm just saying, that was the first time we've seen that look on Jay. We've never seen that before. Cause he started when he was growing his hair. It was a small fr. It wasn't that. That was a lot of hair. So when I first saw the video, even, I was like, okay, I can see how everybody's a little thrown off by the hair. Cause it was like, oh, shit. But I knew it wasn't a wig. I'm like, oh, he combed his wigs out. He put that sacred in there. Beyonce let that overnight conditioner sit in there. I knew what it was. I'm like, okay. But then we get into the bars. So now the game is over. Now I could like, all right, let me see what these bars is about and start listening. And we talked about it, and it was pretty much what I thought it would be coming off the text conversation. I was like, okay. Cause Jay sees everything. Like, people think he don't be on social media. He sees everything. He hears everything.

[Bluff]

He has burners on every social account.

[Damaris]

So this was him addressing everything. Because Jay is not doing a bunch of podcasts. So he's not gonna sit down and let you ask him about, hey, did you hear about what this person said or that person? So where else would he address it at?

[Bluff]

I mean, Hov has always been famous his whole career. Even before podcasts and in radio interviews, everyone always said, all right, hov's always just gonna address it in the music.

[Damaris]

I'm gonna address it in bars. In which we talked about last week. Like, he's gonna address, you know, certain things. And that he did. And he addressed everything. Everything that we probably have heard people say about Jay over the last however many years. Obviously newer lines from Iceman where, you know, Drake saying the jig is up.

[Bluff]

Well, I mean, let's start at the top.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Bluff]

Cause again, you gotta remember we Hovie baby, we thinking even off the clips that we saw at Brooklyn bowl, it went Hovie baby, right into. You don't know. I was expecting if he did a freestyle, that shit would be dead in the middle and he'd stop and then like state property would come out. I didn't know he was popping the show off this way. That's why it's so crazy.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Bluff]

I'm not saying me and Hov are on the same wavelength, but I did an interview at Roots Picnic talking about this exact same bar in the first part, had he's turning 100. If she would have transitioned before I cleared my name, I would have hunted them. Somebody asked me the worst thing about podcasting when it comes to rumors. I said, I'm used to it. I don't give a fuck. It's. It's worse when your family asks you about rumors that aren't true. That's where it's more important. So when he said that shit, mind you, I didn't fully catch it because of the moment, but when I went back to listen to that, I said, what a perfect way to start this whole. If everyone's saying crazy about me, my 100 year old grandmother's like, wait, what are they saying about my grandson? That is hurtful to be like, yo, grandma, I know you don't understand this whole.

[Damaris]

Yeah, right.

[Bluff]

None of this is true. So I thought that was a brilliant way to start the entire thing. Everyone playing them silly games. 1-800-ambulance chaser. I would've wished one would came Buzzbee getting bars out. Addressing Busby first to me is the funniest thing in the world.

[Damaris]

Well, that makes sense to me. Let's get this out the way immediately. Like, we not even, you know, that was all bullshit. We not playing Those games, obviously, we see where that ended up at. So, yeah, I like that. Let's get right to it. If we talking about. If we addressing shit, let's start with the most important thing first. Yeah, let's get that out the way. That was bullshit. Stop playing with my name. Like, you know, it was never that. And obviously we talked about that. Was that last year, year before, whenever that. That whole thing happened. Like, that was absolute bullshit. So, yeah, I understood him getting right to that at the top.

[Bluff]

Then get into. But 911 is a joke. Public enemy number one. Great flip on that. But obvious. I do like the tie in between the 1, 800 shit and 911 is a joke. I think that's a play off that hotline that they had where you could just call in for the Epstein files. Because, like, I know it's. It's fun to say, yo, Jay's in the Epstein files. Okay. There was a hotline where literally anyone on earth could call. And that story clearly makes zero sense with the timeline. No, you're not in the Epstein file. So 911 is a joke. Is a beautiful play on words in that room. Like, it's a joke if you have a hotline for crime and you could just say, whatever. Yeah, the rocks not crumbling. The leprechauns have magically run out of pranks. Your son is on a federal jail line mumbling something about having too much in his drink. Do you know how dumb that is?

[Damaris]

We also spoke about that when that happened, fam.

[Bluff]

This is why I'm tired of having this Meg and Tory free Tory conversation. I get y' all that you love the murder mystery shit. You love Netflix. You want to put pieces together, go listen to the fucking jail call. Are we dumb?

[Damaris]

Nah.

[Bluff]

Yo, he's admitting the shit on a fucking jail phone.

[Damaris]

Nah.

[Rory]

According to them, he's apologizing for fucking Meg, who was Kelsey's friend. He's in jail thinking about, yo, I'm sorry. I should have did that. That's what he's apologizing for, child.

[Bluff]

Another one fumbled his. Wonder how I get the blame?

[Damaris]

Ma N teeth is tumbling out their mouth, and somehow I'm the one who done it. There's a murder mystery game. You had the cash cow and thunk it. What you a pump test? I'm the one who strummed the pain.

[Bluff]

All right, I will say again, in the moment when we were in the crowd, we were still trying to gather what was happening. That Dame Bar, I think, was the first one. The whole crowd fully caught that shit erupted. I don't know if you could hear it in the video. Everyone went nuts when he said, the teeth is falling out. Like, that was nuts.

[Damaris]

Seeing that video, that was the first time I could remember, like, in a long time seeing Jay rap and exude that much emotion.

[Rory]

I was thinking that too. He looked, like, tired and irritated.

[Damaris]

Yeah, it was like, wanted to have this combo.

[Bluff]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

It was a different energy coming from Jay. And we could get to the rest of the. We ain't got to go through every line. But it was at that point when I saw that, I was like, okay. He's been waiting to say this for a minute. Obviously, a lot of these things are a few years old now, and he's been wanting to get this off. But that's the first time I seen Jay proudly rap and exude a different type of emotion as far as, like, you know, watch your fucking mouth. Stop talking crazy about me. Watch who you talking to. This, that. And the third, like, that emotion was very clear and apparent coming off of him throughout all of this, though the entire, you know, all of it is valid. And I understand why he, you know, he said what he said in his freestyle. And again, we talked about it. Probably him addressing it. And he did the one thing that he said in this, though, that kind of threw me off. And I kind of was like, damn. That's not like Jay, as far as I know, is the unline. Him bringing that up and talking about that, so far removed from that. And obviously, he's a totally different person now going back to. And I understand why, because it's kind of like, that's a part of my life. I can't delete that. But for him to talk about it now.

[Bluff]

Okay. He has every right to, though.

[Damaris]

I'm not saying. But it just kind of. Like, I was like, oh. Like, I wasn't expecting you to bring that up. Like, okay, you going now. It's like, we going through all of it.

[Rory]

Because I gotta remind you niggas. You niggas is talking crazy about my kids. Yeah, I'm really like that.

[Damaris]

I don't do that. I understand it. I just wasn't expecting it. That was one bar that kind of. We know about all the shit. Recent shit.

[Bluff]

It's like, okay, we understand that is relatively recent. And yes, in the moment.

[Damaris]

Cool.

[Bluff]

But after looking at everyone that he shot at, it does not shock me at all that he was going to address the UN Shit. Because again, to your point, and this is what Sean and I were talking yesterday hov. Usually when it comes to disses, is one of the smoothest people. That's what he's known for. Slick shit. Like, he's the cooler person. I've never seen him actually upset. He was upset through that whole fucking thing. So with the UN thing, I think UN was okay to talk about it on Vlad because in the intro of 444, he brings un up stabbed in the back. Imagine what a knife hurt. I stabbed UN over some records. My excuse is he's playing too reckless. So when UN went on Vlad recently and went through the whole thing, I was like, well, UN has a right to speak about this now because Jay just brought it up. Yeah, but if you watch the whole interview, which I did, UN is calling him a straight up liar with the entire thing and is shitting on Jay throughout the whole interview. So this isn't some old shit. UN been on the Internet talking about. Jay and I, obviously none of us were there, so I don't know what's true and what's not. But if you're calling me a liar, especially with that type of shit, yeah, you're gonna get a shot. If I'm shooting at everybody that said something the last five years, I understand it.

[Damaris]

But again, the J that I know, the Cool Calm collective, but that's not.

[Bluff]

This is somebody that's. That's. As a father, that's upset.

[Damaris]

Like, I get that. But even for him to. For. For, you know, under. Be anywhere saying, whatever he's saying, you lying. Whatever. The J I know would be like, yeah, you're right, I'm lying. I'm not gonna try to validate that. Yeah, I stabbed you. Like, it's like, okay, Unsan.

[Bluff]

But he did on. On the 444 intro, kill Jay Z. I get that.

[Damaris]

But if UN is somewhere saying, nah, he lying. All right, yeah, I'm lying. I'm not gonna go in the rude stage and be like, I get understood, but I'm gonna leave it alone.

[Bluff]

Jay's whole shit is he's one of the rappers that never lied or even exaggerated when it comes to that. That type of stuff. That's. That's his brand. And as a fan, for the most part, I, I believe it. I haven't really seen even his enemies go on YouTube that did that stuff with him. Like, yeah, no, Jay did all that. So if that's your brand. And then UN gets on Vlad, and I can be objective. Vlad is one of the biggest platforms by far on YouTube, especially in hip hop. And you get on there and Say I'm a liar based off one of my most vulnerable intros. Yeah, man, you.

[Damaris]

I get it. That's just one ball I was not expecting because he.

[Bluff]

I mean, he started with the slick on Dear Summer. Everything else, just trying to advance my quotes.

[Damaris]

But cool. I get it. That boy, I was like, oh, okay. He going all the way there, like, all right, cool. Like, it is what it is. But I mean, again, I'm not. Because I see the Internet and all the reactors and, you know, everybody reacting to this shit. And this is what's supposed to happen. This is rap. And we spoke about this. This is what rap is like. If I'm going through something, dealing with it, I'm gonna address it through the bars. I'm gonna give y'.

[Bluff]

All.

[Damaris]

I'm gonna give it to y' all in the music. I'm gonna tell y' all how I feel about whatever's being said about me in the rap. So to me, this is spot on. This is who Jay Z is. Like. And he was on stage at Roots Picnic. He even said it. He misses that feeling. He missed that. Like, he was in Jay Z form. And this is who Jay Z is. He's going to tell you exactly how he's feeling.

[Bluff]

Well, let me ask you more. I understand the strum with the pain flack planes Killing them softly I get the entendres in there who do you think he's speaking? That's something. I don't even have a theory. Of course I get the entendres with Lauryn Hill Tell them softly the sample like all that is this in regards like. Is there a deeper part of who this is about? This is one I'm stuck. I saw the Internet explaining Scroll up to non rap fans all the entendres but I don't know who it's about. I mean, you had the cash cow and thunk it.

[Damaris]

I mean, a lot of that is probably still, you know, it's tied. Probably tied to damage.

[Rory]

I was about to say, I think that whole. All of that is still tied to Dame.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that Hill you can die on. Obviously, you know, this is the whole Lauryn Hill.

[Bluff]

Yeah. No, I get all the time.

[Damaris]

Too much flack that comes from those pain, those pains I'm killing them softly what's understood don't need to be explained I think that's.

[Rory]

Yeah, I think all of that is still related to that.

[Damaris]

I mean, a lot of that is probably Dame coded, you know? And I think you want it one way, it's the other.

[Bluff]

I Think the Wire. You want it one way, it's the other. Marlo. Shit. That makes a lot of sense. And again, no disrespect to Dame. I'm not saying anything about Dame, but I can see you want it to be one way. Being directed 100% at Dame, I will say there's only two people in the entire world that can relate to one of these bars. One is Jay Z, obviously, because he wrote it and rapped it. And the other person is me. Cancel the brunches. I remember that hunger pain. I did think about you. I said, oh, my God, I did think about you. Did I write that?

[Rory]

I did think about you when I heard it. I'm not gonna lie.

[Bluff]

Did I feel it? Bro, listen, I love HOV to death. And I think for rap purposes, entertainment, I loved all of this. That hit me in the chest harder than any bar that's ever happened in life. Yo, please, please cancel the brunches. I'm so sick of this hunger pain.

[Damaris]

Yo, that brings up way too many.

[Bluff]

Oh, my God.

[Damaris]

Way too many memories.

[Bluff]

I was waiting for HOV to look at me when he said it.

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bluff]

And give me a little point.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Bluff]

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[Damaris]

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[Damaris]

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[Ray Porter]

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[Kal Penn]

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[Bluff]

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[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Bluff]

No, I don't think Jay is suing Drake. But I do know Jay is suing Busby. And every person that puts a lawsuit against, which I could see adding up to a billion, if he keeps suing everyone that's suing him.

[Damaris]

What I mean, Derek, she beat him. Say my name, B. Beyonce.

[Bluff]

No, no.

[Damaris]

For this child, like, you know, I'm

[Bluff]

saying the real meaning behind it, oh, it's gonna cost you. And then if you. I'm not letting this shit go anymore.

[Damaris]

And then in Mars of the wires, who post your body, you know what I'm saying?

[Bluff]

Like, you know, price of the brick going up.

[Damaris]

Yeah, it's, you know, it's a lot of that in there, man. And I get it. And I'm just, you know, just seeing everybody react to the bars and dissect the bars is just. It's interesting, man.

[Bluff]

You know, you never found it funny that the co op in the wire met at a hotel.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that's wild.

[Bluff]

There's two things in the Sopranos when they all meet and the FBI is the waiters. I'm like, wait, so we're inducting a new boss in a hotel with strangers bringing us food.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Bluff]

But then we get right to the Kanye. You ever heard of Wonderkin My children? Some of them balloons.

[Damaris]

I told some of them. Have you no shame? Y' all try to get under skin. I really get on the skin. Ask unhow I'm playing. That ball is crazy. I still can't believe Jay said that.

[Bluff]

But y'. All. Y' all thugs with the thumbs again. Everybody thinks they're the ones insane again, which I think is a great play off. Talking about un on Kill Jay Z. And he said on kill Jay Z about Kanye, if you're the only one crazy, you're the one that's insane. Going back to that, you're no manic. Watch how saying he act in my present maniac fair. I love the shrink entendre there, too.

[Damaris]

I need a new therapist. This shit's not working. I'm truly on the brink. Y' all better not encourage him. Y' all don't want me to think these thoughts that I think start.

[Bluff]

I thought he went light on. On Kanye.

[Rory]

He threatened to stab him. I don't know about going light, but I hear you. He threatened to stab him. Calling him pussy, that nigga. Not really. He ain't really crazy. Like, y' all say he's pussy. When he get around me, he shrink and I'll stab him. I think it was like, pretty much right?

[Bluff]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, I feel like, you know, I

[Damaris]

feel like, get that out the way. I'll stab you, Kanye, stop playing with me.

[Bluff]

Call my kids that and I'll. But, yeah, you're right. When I say light, I think as far as I thought it would be more hov rapping. No, that was just a straight up, like, Kanye, I'm gonna. I'll stab you. Like, stop. But I do think it is also a funny callback. Remember when Kanye was going on one of those rants? I forgot. Maybe it was a Saint Pablo tour. And he was like, jay Z, don't send your goons to kill me. No, I'll stab you.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And you don't need no goons. The nut ass still stuttering that chatty. Obviously talking about Oskino. Correct.

[Bluff]

Yes.

[Rory]

That.

[Bluff]

That line is definitely about Mosquito.

[Rory]

That Chatty Patty down on his luck again. Is that a. Is it back to Dame, or is he talking about something different?

[Bluff]

That's Dame. I saw. You know, did a reply right away, and he was kind of alluding that that Chatty Patty line was also about him. But I think it could be about both. And I mean, Oschino, I watch the cook your toast thing. Like, I watch Oschino's content. I think this was just a fair quick response. Like oschino did a 20 minute reply and I was like, you haven't said nothing like super crazy about Jay the way Kanye has with his tweets. You got like five words. Yeah, because Oskino didn't say anything nuts. He just was on jay on his YouTube page.

[Damaris]

Like, yeah, but that. But again, that's the thing about this, though. This freestyle has given life to so many content creators, so many platforms. Damon's about to go on another world tour.

[Bluff]

What did last thing on the drive

[Damaris]

up here, I said, like, this is giving life to thank stimulus package. Because now you can monetize disrespect, right? Somebody say your name disrespectfully. I can go on a platform, do an interview. That's just for the era we in. It is what it is. You know what I'm saying? But this Jay Z freestyle has given so much energy to so many platforms. For the next however, and like I said, I think for the. For the Yankee Stadium shows, I think he's going to give us this overbeat. I think this is a song. I think this is bars from a song.

[Bluff]

Okay.

[Damaris]

This is a verse.

[Bluff]

Really? I never even thought of it.

[Damaris]

100. I think this is bars that will be on the song.

[Bluff]

I mean, we've seen a lot of

[Damaris]

whole freestyles in New York at Yankee Stadium.

[Bluff]

Okay.

[Damaris]

I think there's another verse to this.

[Bluff]

Interesting.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Bluff]

That never. Even.

[Rory]

My toes are curling. I'm sorry.

[Bluff]

Entered my brain. God, I hope you're right.

[Damaris]

This is. This is.

[Bluff]

Who do you think produced the beat?

[Damaris]

Who produced.

[Bluff]

I think. I think Justin Hove are back.

[Damaris]

Yeah. I said, who produced Roc? We running this rap shit.

[Bluff]

Kanye.

[Damaris]

Kanye did that. Well, he won't be doing the next one. He won't be doing the next one. But I could see, you know, I could see. Just a little birdie told me that he may have a bank pack. You know what I'm saying? That he had for a while that he, you know, he been on his Rain man shit too.

[Bluff]

And again, as a fan, I know Jus and Bink well, both of my guys. I would love to see the reconciliation with not only Bink and just. But with Bink and hov as well. If he got a Bink pack. Listen, dawg, I'm not showing up to this. I'm just gonna listen to that shit for A week straight. I'm not gonna come to the podcast.

[Damaris]

Oh, no. I know for a fact he got a Bing pack. I don't know if he ever. Well, no, he does have some bars that he probably has in his head to a bank pack. But, yeah, he's listened to some music. Jay is always writing. Like, he may not be recording, but he always is going through his Rain man shit and just listening to music and writing in his head. And I think this is some of the bars, but I think he is probably gonna lay this down. If he hasn't laid this already. I think he's gonna lay this down. I think he performs it at Yankee Stadium. And I think there's another. There's more to it. I did. I think this was just a little sample size of, you know, what Jay has been writing and, you know, his response to a lot of. I think this is dope, man. And, you know, it is what it is. But, you know, I know everybody will talk about, you know, the whole Drake ho.

[Bluff]

We'll get to that. I want to. I want to stay with your theory right now. That's. Oh, that's amazing. With that theory, I'm gonna start dreaming. Does he open extra innings with that song and do we get new J Music performed at extra Innings? Because, again, I think he's going to dedicate blueprint and Reasonable Doubt to the legacy of that with no distractions to anything going on right now. Extra innings, though, if he does, is that his real I Declare war concert? If he does third night in Yankee Stadium and you declare war with everyone,

[Damaris]

That's a move, Jay. But he don't do that. He don't debut music at a show. He's done it maybe once or twice where he'll do a song that we never heard. If he does, the song will be out before the show. The song will be out before the show if he's performing it.

[Bluff]

But Jay is in a point now where he can do whatever he want before that probably didn't make sense just to how the industry was set up. And you want to monetize and make sure the record is pushed. Jay can do whatever the fuck he wants. I could see him at this point in his career doing some fly shit like that of doing, like, performing three records.

[Damaris]

No, but.

[Bluff]

And then. And then that night, they're on DSPs.

[Damaris]

It's just different to perform a song at a show that nobody ever heard. It's just. It's a risky.

[Bluff]

Okay, but it's Jay Z. I agree. If an average artist why you think

[Damaris]

he did this acapella?

[Bluff]

Cause that's what he did at the B side shows when he has to address things. This is a move he's done for

[Rory]

quite some time so that people can hear what he's saying.

[Damaris]

People need to hear what he's saying as opposed to if it's a song.

[Bluff]

And I'm saying if he performs it and it's streamed at extra innings and he puts it up on DSPs that night or right after he performs it, everyone's just gonna go run and listen to the song.

[Damaris]

Yeah. But you.

[Bluff]

Cause he's already. He's been. He's been teasing these releases with changing his name back to the original Jay Z for copyright shit. They've been putting out the records that he owns with his masters. I don't think that's just to put them out because he owns it. I think he's teasing releasing music. And I could see him.

[Damaris]

You talking about releasing music? I'm not even. That's not even my. I'm talking about him putting on a show. Like, I don't think that he's gonna debut a new song at a show because people are just gonna be standing there kind of like the stage. Yeah. But then they're not gonna be.

[Rory]

It's. I get what Mahler's saying.

[Damaris]

Yeah. It's like he don't wanna. You know what I'm saying? He want to put on a show where it's like.

[Bluff]

It's extra ratings.

[Damaris]

I'm talking about it's a show to

[Bluff]

stop to perform a brand new song. Everyone stopped what they do.

[Rory]

Yeah. It's not about people not stopping what you're doing. The energy is not the same because you can't hear. That's the reason why he does. Why Mall is saying he does those acapella. Because everybody is now tuned in and listening to what you're saying. If it's a song, you don't hear the lyrics the same.

[Bluff]

Okay, all right. Let me. Let me. Let me land my point a little bit better. This the same way we. It was tough for us to hear some of this at the show and try and catch it in real time. The Internet went fucking nuts in real time and was breaking the shit down two minutes after it happened. The same way we talked about where super bowl performances aren't even for the people that are in the crowd. We watch Beyonce do the Christmas shit and we saw all this. Everyone's focused on the camera that people are watching at home. If you watch the Kendrick performance at The Super Bowl. We got a better view at home. I think if you're watching at home, you're going to see that, and everyone's going to break it down immediately, and then you're going to go to DSPS and listen to the song. You talk about everyone in the crowd. That's the least important thing at this point when it comes to performances. The super bowl halftime show is not even for the people that are there.

[Rory]

Not today. Not today.

[Damaris]

Crazy.

[Bluff]

Kendrick didn't even address the bad Bunny to address the crap.

[Rory]

They're singing songs that everybody already knows

[Damaris]

to Jay Z during Yankee Stadium. The people are at Yankee Stadium to see Jay Z perform. The people ain't at the super bowl to see Kendrick perform, bro.

[Bluff]

For two minutes. If Jay does a new song that's breaking the fucking Internet. Like, I don't know what y' all are talking about.

[Damaris]

The only thing that Jay does if we haven't heard is gonna break the Internet. I'm just saying I don't think he's gonna perform a song.

[Bluff]

I was at the show, and the. The only thing people talked about at home, which is more people than they were at Roots Picnic, was this freestyle. And not any of the hit records he did after that. It's for everyone at home. It's not for the crowd anymore.

[Rory]

No, but that's not why Jay's doing it. Just home is experiencing it. That's not why Jay is doing it. Jay cares about his show. That's period. He cares about his show and the

[Bluff]

energy at his show and releasing new bars and new music. I clearly is something he wants to do.

[Rory]

Yeah, but it's okay that we all disagree with you that he's gonna perform a new song before.

[Bluff]

It's. I was hope I said I could dream. Yeah, but I just don't think it's crazy for Jay to perform a new song at his third night at Yaki.

[Damaris]

No, it's not crazy. I just don't do it. Like, I just. And to Sean saying he. He did take over at Summer Jam, but that was during a beef. That's different.

[Bluff]

You said.

[Damaris]

No, I know that, but it was like the beef between him and Nas was already on, and we're saying this

[Bluff]

new music, you're saying if this goes on a beat, if he does another record like on some. I declare war, we're all going to be tuned in to, yo, what the fuck did he say?

[Damaris]

But who is he declaring war to?

[Bluff]

No, I was using that example as the show that he did. I declare war. No, I Don't. I think this. This is replying to everyone that's been talking about him that he wasn't talking about.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that's what it is. But I love this.

[Bluff]

But this leaves room for. And I mean, we don't need to break down the Nikki lines. I thought it was hilarious that he mimicked her trying to do the Meg the Stallion diss. I thought that was genius because in real time, I was like, did Jay just stumble? I've never heard that before. And then I got on the Internet and saw everyone breaking it down. This has left room. Forget Oschino and Dame. Who could monetize that? Are we going to get a response from 1 Nikki and 2. I don't really want the Nikki response.

[Damaris]

Well, you talking about music.

[Bluff]

Yeah. No.

[Damaris]

Nick's still going to Internet tweet or ask. Yeah, I don't think it's going to be a response to music. I don't think Nikki's going to rap. Like, I don't. I don't see that she's a rapper. She could rap. She writes. So that is an option. I just don't think that that's going to be the way she responded.

[Bluff]

Nikki is legend. You could argue that she is the greatest female rapper of all time.

[Damaris]

She is.

[Bluff]

Then why are we moving the goalposts? A rapper wrapped words about you when you was the one that's been on Twitter running your mouth about insane things. Talk about kids, talk about lies, talk about everything. Why we're moving the goal post where Nicki Minaj does not need to reply. Don't. Don't say. You can't say that. She's going to. Punching down the greatest rapper of all time dissed you with rhymes. You're a legendary rapper. We're moving the goalposts for Nicki now.

[Damaris]

No, no, no.

[Bluff]

She has to reply.

[Damaris]

Nobody's moving from the goalpost. But she never. Anything that she said about Jay wasn't in raps.

[Bluff]

Okay, but a rapper just rapped and that's.

[Damaris]

I understand that, but she. It's not like she rapped.

[Bluff]

Who's in here?

[Damaris]

In a verse. And then Jay responded in a verse like she was on whatever platform, whether it be X or she did a Queen Radio. Wherever she talked about Jay, it wasn't in music. I don't see her responding to Jay now in music. I just don't see that.

[Bluff]

Meek tweeted and we got two records. Let's not say that Twitter is now where we draw the line, where people don't have to reply in Raps.

[Damaris]

No, I'm not saying.

[Bluff]

And he rapped.

[Damaris]

I'm not saying she has to reply. I'm saying I'm not going to reply. I just don't think it will be in a rap. But she's gonna.

[Bluff]

We gotta hold Nikki the same standard as any rap. The same way people say, yo, don't call her female rapper. I agree with them. Nikki is a legend on her own. Don't even put female in front of that. But that also means she's held to the same standards that if a rapper that's your peer raps about you after you've been talking shit, you have to rap.

[Rory]

I tell you every single time you say that, that, that I don't agree with that. Every single time you say you can't

[Bluff]

rap at Megan and I rap at Hov when HOV says that about your

[Damaris]

husband and about responding to her.

[Bluff]

I know. So was she supposed to just tuck

[Damaris]

now if this was like if her

[Bluff]

tail and just shut the fuck up?

[Damaris]

No, I'm not saying that she's going to respond. I just don't think she's going to lay down.

[Bluff]

Versus if she doesn't have that then I think that's pussy. If a rapper raps at you and you don't rap back.

[Rory]

Okay, so as we go into these next bars, you're about to sit here and look me in my beautiful face and tell me that Drake has to respond to these bars to.

[Bluff]

Yeah, without question. I think they were cool shot.

[Damaris]

He's responding to Drake's bar.

[Bluff]

I know.

[Damaris]

So why does Drake got to respond now?

[Bluff]

Cuz the, the floodgates are open.

[Rory]

No, Rory.

[Damaris]

Oh my God.

[Rory]

No.

[Damaris]

Oh my God.

[Rory]

Like, like.

[Damaris]

Oh my God. Oh my God. Rory. Oh, Rory.

[Bluff]

You got the jig is up one. You got the island hopping bar. Drake, like we said on this podcast. I said they weren't really shots. I think I compared it to throwing an elbow when you're in the paint to grab a rebound. It's just saying I'm here.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Bluff]

And Jay did the exact same thing. But let's not act like this hasn't been going on forever. And it also wasn't going on forever with Drake and Kendrick. Eventually these things, the chickens come home to roost. Kendrick and Drake were throwing little shots at each other for years and then it finally happened. They're also, to me, this is about to be the tipping point.

[Rory]

Their peers. They're peers.

[Damaris]

You don't think Drake's peers.

[Bluff]

He clearly said that.

[Rory]

When I think of peers, I think of I don't think of in levels of success. I think of time more like their. Their peers.

[Bluff]

I think. I think HOV is the greatest rapper of all time. But I can confidently, as a fan say that I think hov, Nikki, Kendrick and Drake are all peers. They are.

[Rory]

We have different ideas of peers.

[Bluff]

I think Jay is the great. I think Jay is above them as far as my personal opinion of a rap. But they are peers as far as longevity, success, accomplishments, catalog. They're all there for sure.

[Rory]

I'll say that.

[Bluff]

So they are peers.

[Rory]

They're on the same level. I just, when I think said no. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. When I hear, when I think peers, I think of like, we came up together, we were doing this at the same time. Like, and had. We had similar. Maybe not the same, but similar levels of success. And we started in around the same time. That's when I think of peers started. You can't, you can't become a rapper

[Damaris]

started because I say their peers because they've worked together.

[Bluff]

I mean, I would say more on the accomplishment side of getting to that top tier. That, that top tier rap, I think is still appear. You're saying pure by its actual definition.

[Rory]

Because I can't.

[Bluff]

But people use it.

[Rory]

But if you. Yeah, of course. But that's what I'm just saying my. Like, when I think of the definition, like, you can't look up. You can't, as you're becoming a rapper, look up to me and then I consider you appear. Even if you become more successful than me, I can't consider you appear. You grew up looking at me already doing the thing that you want to do, and I have been doing it for a very long time. So yeah, you may eventually get to me or get past me, but I'm not your peer. I'm your big homie. And that's okay. Sometimes you get more successful than your

[Bluff]

big homie, and that's not disrespectful. That's not me being disrespectful to Drake.

[Rory]

It's literally just a time thing. I think that that's just a time thing.

[Bluff]

I. I feel like when it comes. I don't think that it's different that way. Even in business. Mark Zuckerberg was young, but when he hit a Billy, I guarantee you, people that were older than him that he probably looked up to in business now sought his advice. Now we're peers. We're peers now.

[Rory]

Okay, so Beyonce and Michael Jackson are peers.

[Bluff]

Yes.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Bluff]

Yes.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Bluff]

But again, Mike is here. I. It's the same thing I'm saying with HOV and them. Mike is here. I'm not saying Beyonce's better than Mike.

[Damaris]

Mike would have. Mike.

[Bluff]

Mike and Beyonce are pe.

[Damaris]

Mike would have definitely did a song with Beyonce, by the way.

[Rory]

It's not about doing prank.

[Bluff]

Said Beyonce. You're not my peer until you play piano. And she learned piano the next day.

[Damaris]

Listen, I think at peers, like, especially in this game music, like, when you agree to do a song with an artist, I think that you acknowledging that that's one of your peers now, especially Jay. He's not rhyming with you if he doesn't look at you like one. You're even talented enough for me to even be in a song with or like, you're my peer. You know what I'm saying? We're kind of in this thing, doing this thing, making music. You're dope. I am who I am. That's him acknowledging, like, yo, you're dope. I with you.

[Bluff]

I think he gives people looks early that he finds that Italy. I mean, like, outside of Cole's sign to him.

[Rory]

Like, I was gonna say when he happened.

[Bluff]

She didn't think Cole was here with Frank and Tyler. I don't think he looked at them as peers at that time. But he said, I see two really creative kids that I think have it. Yeah.

[Damaris]

I mean, it's, it's.

[Bluff]

Yes. But I think Drake.

[Damaris]

It's not black and white.

[Bluff]

Kendrick, Nikki.

[Damaris]

If you said it. Yeah, I'm, I'm. Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

Like, okay, well, we all have different definitions.

[Damaris]

That's their, their peers.

[Bluff]

But I mean, I, I think this warrants a reply. And this isn't me being the, A messy fan that just wants to see that happen.

[Damaris]

Nah, you want to see the shits. It's okay.

[Bluff]

Just.

[Rory]

It's okay. It's okay to be messy sometimes.

[Damaris]

It's okay. Say it. Let it off your chest. Rory, you want to see Drake and Jay Z go at it?

[Rory]

I don't.

[Bluff]

I, I, I used to.

[Rory]

What?

[Damaris]

What you mean, used to? You want to see it? I ain't no use to it. Don't give me that. You want to see it happen?

[Bluff]

I agree. I agreed with Hov when he was talking to Frazier about and which is funny that everyone, rightfully so. Is calling him a hypocrite, that rap beef is bad for the culture. And again, I don't think this is beef. I think this is him just replying to everyone that's been talking about him.

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Bluff]

Not be, but I don't like, where shit is at now and even where they've taken this shit online with Epstein and this and that. Like, as a fan, before the Kendrick and Drake battle, of course, I would love to see Hovindra go at it.

[Damaris]

Why before the Kendrick and Drake battle?

[Bluff]

Because I think it shifted. It took the fun out of everything.

[Damaris]

Like, it's weird we spoke about that. Your man made it weird with that weird shit he was talking about. Nigga, Jay Z ain't talking about no weird shit. Jay gonna keep it raps.

[Rory]

I think it would have gotten weird even if he never said.

[Damaris]

No, it wouldn't.

[Rory]

I think it would have gotten weird

[Damaris]

before that record came out. Was cool.

[Rory]

I'm not talking. I'm not talking. We're not. But we're not speaking to the actual people involved in the battle. We're speaking to everything around it and the fans and the stands. And they made it.

[Damaris]

And that's part of it now, though.

[Bluff]

And I think those people, unfortunately, now have influence over our favorite artists. I think our A list artists are even looking at rap beef differently now based off how the Internet is dictating shit and how they pick a winner. Like, I'm sorry Drake even said on Iceman, y' all boys was island hopping. Do I think that Drake thinks Pusha T&HOV were really in the Epstein files doing nasty shit? No, but they lied on Drake's name, so he's like, well, this is the rules now, so I can say y' all was island hopping, even though I don't think that's yet. So I think Drake is in a mind state right now of. All right, you. You guys told me the rules before, which even says on Iceman. I didn't know y' all rewrote the rules. You think Drake's petty ass is gonna play by the old rules? We're gonna get a whole Epstein Freestyle. 9am on the island. Like.

[Rory]

Like, I'm cool and all of that.

[Bluff]

That's why I just think it's gonna go to a weird place.

[Damaris]

It ain't going to that.

[Bluff]

But I do think the rumor of Drake and scary hours 4. I have no actual information. I'm talking about them. I'm a little. I'm a little nervous.

[Damaris]

You look scared. Don't be scared. Don't be scared. You ain't.

[Bluff]

I need a nightlight tonight.

[Damaris]

Don't be scared.

[Bluff]

I gotta check under the bed. I definitely gotta check another bed. With the Internet, with the rumors of Scary Hours four and all that, I do think Drake, like, sends some. Some bars. But all that shit has led to full records. We saw Nas and Hove sending shots. Eventually it happens. And this is the most direct back and forth we've ever seen with these two. And like that was the first time we saw direct shots from Kendrick and Drake. Even though they had been throwing shots at each other for a decade. That was the first time we saw. Oh, all right. This ain't subs. These are direct back and forth shots. This is the first time we've gotten it from HOV and Drake as well. And I'm saying those things can turn into a direct record.

[Rory]

I think even if Drake gives Jay a direct record, I do not think Jay is. I think this was Jay responding to everything and he's done. I think he's cool.

[Damaris]

I think so too. I think. I think so too. I don't think Jay wants to. Because I said I don't think he wants a back and forth with anybody at this point. I think different, whole different thing right now. But he's a rapper first. Like he's gonna rap if. If necessary or if he feels the need to. But if we being honest, it's probably. It's probably gonna happen.

[Bluff]

Thank you. After all that.

[Damaris]

But no but, but please make sure

[Bluff]

you add that part in the clip.

[Damaris]

But it's different than what you're saying. It's probably gonna happen because it probably has to happen. Drake is obviously the top dog. Jay is obviously the greatest ever. Sometimes it gotta happen.

[Rory]

I'm literally gonna do it.

[Bluff]

How does it happen with a 50 something year old with three kids who is only doing things for fun when it comes to music. Ho's only doing it if he's moved by it.

[Damaris]

They both two of the most successful rappers. Two of the richest rappers ever. We want to get in the booth and start really dragging our nuts and talking our shit. Then let's do it. That's all. Now I'm with it as long as it remains, you know, rap and respectful. I'm not. Don't. I'm not with the corny just make up anything and say anything bullshit that we witnessed two years ago. I'm not with that.

[Bluff]

But don't act like O's not above that. He didn't actually leave a condom in a baby seat.

[Damaris]

You don't know that, but you don't

[Rory]

know you wasn't there fucking him.

[Damaris]

You don't know that. Niggas that really get down like that fact back. Oh, I know that shorties and the baby was in the bed sleep. That ain't they Babies.

[Bluff]

Oh, no, I know that.

[Damaris]

All right. So you think somebody's against leaving a condom in a baby seat? The baby. I'm not saying Jay put. I just think on the baby head. I ain't saying that, Jay. Not that type of. But if the baby seat was empty and I just finished clapping cheeks, I might have left the condom there. Like, I mean, like. Yeah.

[Bluff]

I just think Hov is sick at that point in his career. He's fucking in a car, and there's a car seat next to him while he's fucking.

[Damaris]

No, you got to get it off sometimes. That. Yeah. But, yeah, it probably has to happen. It probably has to.

[Rory]

And how. And how. How are you gonna handle all of this?

[Bluff]

My love circle right back to the JD Question.

[Damaris]

It ain't that firm. Friends. Friends never had to decide.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

I'm gonna sit back and enjoy it like that over here.

[Rory]

Telling me, like, what's understood don't need to be explained. What side? What side are you on?

[Damaris]

It ain't no side to pick because it's not beef. Beef. It's not a beef. It's just two going at it. It's not a beef.

[Bluff]

All right, hypothetically, if it goes there, you gotta go out there. I picked mine. I was with Biggs.

[Damaris]

Nah, I ain't gonna lie. I might have to ride with my man Drake, man.

[Bluff]

Over your actual family.

[Damaris]

Yeah, man.

[Bluff]

All right. I've defended you for so long. Things are misunderstood. Y' all don't. Y' all don't understand.

[Damaris]

I gotta ride with my.

[Bluff]

I even explained certain things to fans.

[Damaris]

It's my man, man.

[Bluff]

That list, like, yo, you don't understand. How would you feel?

[Damaris]

Listen, hov. Hov is big bro. But I'm just saying, in a frilly little fade with my man. I gotta go with my man, dog. I gotta go with my man. It ain't gonna be nothing. It ain't getting physical. It ain't none of that. But if it's a friendly fade and my man versus big bro.

[Bluff]

Yep.

[Damaris]

I ain't. Yo, yo, listen, man.

[Bluff]

Let me get this camera. Biggs, I'm your little brother now. I'm your little brother now.

[Damaris]

I'm the captain.

[Bluff]

I'm your little brother now. I'm your little brother now.

[Damaris]

I gotta go with my man. What y' all want me to do?

[Rory]

I'm about to call your sister, bro. That's.

[Damaris]

Yo, Yates. I gotta go with my man B. Jay is big bro. That's. Big bro. That ain't. That's.

[Rory]

That's family.

[Damaris]

We know that.

[Bluff]

You know why, though?

[Rory]

But let me tell. But my man, let's really dig into some shit. Like, let's really be real here. And the reason why Marla's picking the side that he's picking, because he noticed that his family won't disown him if he don't pick his family side.

[Damaris]

Disown me? Can't nobody disown me. What are you talking about?

[Rory]

His family loves him.

[Bluff]

And that is true.

[Rory]

And I love my family and won't disown him if he's my man.

[Damaris]

Like, yo, listen, Big bro wanna go in the street to catch a fade, and that's my man. I'm like, big bro, hit hard as shit. Yo, but I. Yo, come on, man.

[Bluff]

Oh, wait.

[Damaris]

I got a root for my man.

[Bluff]

Ah, Damaris, you not seeing it.

[Damaris]

I got a root for my man.

[Rory]

I am. I. You surprised me with this one.

[Damaris]

It's a frilly fade.

[Bluff]

This ain't no like.

[Damaris]

This ain't no beef. It's a frilly fade.

[Bluff]

I don't wanna snitch on him, but I see the play and I respect it. Remember when Kendrick said you never thought OVO was working for me? Maul's gonna pretend to be on Drake's side and be running that shit right back to hov?

[Rory]

You don't think HOV got, like, better moles?

[Damaris]

Look, what he think. He think I'm one of them niggas?

[Bluff]

No.

[Damaris]

If it's my man, I gotta rob my man. That's big bro, though. Like I'm saying. I'm like, yo, this nigga hit hard, though. If you my man, and you about to find him, like, listen, you know that nigga hit hard, all right? Nigga, I'm just saying, I'm going with my man. I gotta ride with my man. That's all. It's all love all the way around.

[Rory]

But you put the camera on me. Yo, Biggs, whatever ticket you have for that nigga, for Night one night two night, I'm right here, my nigga.

[Damaris]

You know.

[Rory]

You see? You see who I'm routing with? My nigga.

[Damaris]

Y' all can be bought. Y' all can be bought. I can't. That's the difference between us. Y' all can be purchased.

[Rory]

Mall's not.

[Damaris]

Y' all up for sale. Yeah. Come on, Drizzy. God damn it. Come on, motherfucker. Nah.

[Bluff]

Now, what if he lose? Yo, let HOV do some fireworks at Yankee Stadium. The biggest yeah of all times come from my mouth.

[Damaris]

What if he lose? Who?

[Rory]

Either one of them how you. How do you react to either loss?

[Damaris]

I mean, I don't know. You gotta watch it play out.

[Bluff]

I will say there is some ammo, whether it's true or not, of what HOV was saying as far as. Have that same type of tone with those crackers. I can use that word. Hardy or crackers. I could use that because I am one.

[Rory]

Sean's laughing.

[Bluff]

I'm not saying that the. The ovo Internet is right, but yeah, there's a lot of footage of. Of HOV with Harvey Weinstein, obviously not knowing what Harvey was doing, but worked with Hov being at dinner with Kushner at the next table. It does leave room in a battle. I'm not saying HOV was fucking kikiing with Trump, but it leaves room in a battle to be like, all right, hypocrite. You talk to them crackers the same way.

[Damaris]

It probably has to happen is all I'm saying. Man, they two of the most successful rappers ever. That's just how life goes. That's the universe.

[Bluff]

I mean, it's not.

[Rory]

It's the universe.

[Damaris]

The universe making this happen. I don't want it to happen, but it probably has to happen. Like, that's just part of this thing. Like, I'm the top dog. Okay, cool. There's a new kid in town. He got that soft white that sure to come back brown, you know. All right, cool. This nigga lit right now. At some point or another, me and him gotta sit across from the table and we gotta have a pow wow.

[Bluff]

Well, the rumors on the Internet, this is Twitter, so it's a fact. Was that Jay tried to do that. That meeting, and then Chubbs pressed him.

[Damaris]

I don't know about all that. See, I don't see how he too deep. You too deep into them X streets. I ain't that deep.

[Bluff]

The Beverly Hotel or some.

[Damaris]

Yeah, they was having cappuccino.

[Bluff]

And no. And no disrespect, I'm not saying anything about.

[Damaris]

Chubbs walked in.

[Bluff]

Chubbs in that regard.

[Damaris]

I just don't see shelves walking with a briefcase. Like that ever happens. Like, what the fuck are we talking about, man? Like, I don't know about all of that shit, but, you know, as far as you know, it. It probably has to happen. And, you know, it's. It's been. Listen, some things happen, man. You know, Drake, as we know, he felt the way about a lot of things that happened in the last two years. Jay giving Kendrick that Super bowl performance. Safe to say Drake felt away about

[Bluff]

that, which is why I thought it was totally fine with him giving HOV bars on Iceman.

[Damaris]

Totally fine.

[Bluff]

I think it was crazy.

[Damaris]

I'm a rap fan. I want to see the best go at it. As long as it remains rap. When you start bringing up fake bullshit and putting corny shit in the pot, I don't want to see that. I believe Jay is not that type of rapper, and I believe Drake is not that type of rap. I believe both of these gentlemen have bars in their head. Because if you the best, you got bars in your head about the best. Or nigga, whoever they say is the best, you just. Just low key writing. They might not know. Same in basketball. He the nicest. All right. You looking at his moves. I gotta counter for all of that. When I get in front of that nigga, that's just part of the game. Like, so I'm not against it. Like, it probably has to happen. Will it happen? I don't know. Talking to my man, not repeating what we said, obviously, but I'll just say it probably has to happen. And that's just the way it goes sometimes, man. And I'm here for it. I want to see it if. If it does happen, I'm front and center for that.

[Bluff]

Based off what you just said there critically. And if HOV would have performed this freestyle in a cool, laid back, slick, Jay Z type of way, I'd have been like, man, HOV just having fun and reply to people like, will he be giggling? And he is mad.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Bluff]

So that's why I'm saying it could happen because he's mad.

[Damaris]

Y' all missing a whole nother layer to this, though. Jay is very calculated.

[Bluff]

Calculated? Well, I. He's probably calculated human beings on Earth.

[Damaris]

If you. Yeah, you can't be that successful not be calculated. If you think that Jay didn't know.

[Bluff]

Oh, he didn't let it all out on this.

[Damaris]

No, that's more bars. We know that. But if you think that Jay didn't know that when he gave Kendrick that halftime show that Drake was going to feel away about that and have something to say about that.

[Rory]

Oh, for sure.

[Damaris]

Of course.

[Rory]

They didn't give a fuck.

[Damaris]

Come on. Anyway, like, this is all. This is all part of the script. This is all part of it. It has to happen.

[Bluff]

The Roots, remember? Even when the trees pretend.

[Damaris]

It has to happen, man. It has to happen. Like, you know. But as long as it's raps, though, I don't want to hear no corny bars about this nigga's. Shut up, nigga. You don't hear that shit. Let's keep it raps.

[Bluff]

Again, I'm with. I'm with Biggs, but I can be objective. I think Drake has a right to do that.

[Damaris]

Do what?

[Bluff]

The corny that you saying.

[Damaris]

No, you don't.

[Bluff]

If somebody called me a pedophile, I'm not a pedophile. And these are the rules now.

[Damaris]

Yeah, it's not the rules now.

[Bluff]

This is the time we on. I bet I could do.

[Damaris]

Nobody's on that time except your man. Nobody was ever on that time. That was your man that got on that time.

[Bluff]

I'm on hov side here. I'm not.

[Damaris]

No, I'm talking about your man. Your man that.

[Bluff]

They don't like me either.

[Damaris]

That in the back way down there. That. Yeah, we talking about Jay and Drake. Bars, raps, apprentice student, however you want to slice it. But Drake is obviously. He's the top guy now. It is what it is. He's him. He's the guy. He's the guy. Jay, as you know, he's like Jordan. He walk in the room like, that's Mike, nigga. It won't get different when Jay walk in, but when cold walking, she get different too. That's all I'm saying.

[Rory]

I hear you. I think there's a. There's a little bit of a difference in that, but I hear you.

[Damaris]

It's. Of course there's a difference between Drake and Jay Z. Yes.

[Rory]

No, I meant, like, with the. The reference you just did.

[Damaris]

Because, like, who's the best? Who's the goat? Jay Z. Right? Do you believe that?

[Rory]

Of course.

[Damaris]

Okay, cool. What I'm saying is, sooner or later, there's gonna come along another guy that everybody in the room is gonna start to look like. Yeah, that's that nigga. This nigga's bad, though, for sure. And I feel like people got. Let me hear him. Let me hear him say something.

[Bluff]

Well, it's the first time it's happened because the. The only other person Jay ended up doing a collab album with. Cause he signed him. This is the first time it's happened.

[Damaris]

And like I said, Jay is calculated. He know when he gave Kendrick that halftime show, he knew that that was gonna come back at some point and show his head. Like, he knew Drake felt. He know. Drake felt away about that because he addressed it in the GQ thing. Like, what was I supposed to not give Kendrick? Like, he had an amazing year. We understand that. But I'm just a guessing, man. If Dr. Dre would have gave Nas the Super Bowl Halftime show to get ether off. Jay Z would feel some weight towards Dr. Dre. Yeah, that's just how it goes. Like, it's just. You know what I'm saying? It's part of it. Like, we understand it. Like, and Dr. Dre would know that. Like, I know he not fucking with me right now. He feels some type of way. So I think this is part of. I think this is all, you know, this is leading to something. And, you know, rappers is gonna rap, man. And it is what it is.

[Rory]

I went on a drunk Hennessy Fuel rant on TikTok Live. The day this freestyle came out.

[Damaris]

TikTok had it live. But go ahead.

[Rory]

The day this freestyle came out, cause I was taking my makeup off, they started asking for my opin on the shit. I'm like, oh, you know, I'm so happy. Like, the Goat is back rapping, blah, blah, blah. And they wanted to talk about, like, niggas. Like, we now talking rap with people who were born after 2000. And niggas is in the comments asking me stupid shit. Like, okay, but what year did Jay run rap? And I. I lost my shit. Like, they accused me of being on cocaine. I mean, I literally lost my shit.

[Bluff]

Because that's a big Twitter theory.

[Damaris]

And

[Bluff]

I'm not saying that there isn't some credence to that where maybe he wasn't the number one guy. But to have a 25, 30 year career of every year, you're right there. To me, that's better than one year. Nelly was the best, like, for 30 years, you're that relevant. And the Goat, that's why I think that is like, I hate that. I hate that conversation.

[Rory]

Y' all are so used to gimmicks. A gimmick has a good year. A gimmick has a good year, a good two years where you're. Where you're like, you're the thing that's.

[Damaris]

You can have a moment.

[Rory]

Yeah, you could have a moment. But to be the nigga that. That everybody looks up to for people's whole entire lifetime, that's because you are the best. You don't need a gimmicky fucking year. And on top of that, I'm telling them, I'm like, y'. All. Hip hop is relatively new. This, like when hip hop started going. The only way you're gonna go number one as a hip hop artist, unless the song is just like, so astronomically, amazingly good, is if the white people in the middle of America are supporting your music. That's it. That's you have to do that to go number one.

[Bluff]

Well, Hope and Nas are the only rappers we've seen age in their career.

[Rory]

Exactly. Like, because you have to. You have to make some. A type of song that everybody can sing. It doesn't make you less good at what you do because people who can't relate to your music aren't listening to it. Like, so that whole, like, number one thing, when the people who really like back the culture and make the culture what it is, they're not the ones that are going to get you number one. Especially in this day and age, it's just not going to happen. So you're talking about Drake versus Jay Z's ability to go number one. When Jay was at the top of his career, the type of music that he made was not number one pop music. It just didn't happen. That doesn't take away from his talent or how good the songs were.

[Damaris]

Well, that's why I have Jay as the greatest rapper ever, because he's that a pure rapper.

[Rory]

He's a rapper. Exactly.

[Damaris]

And to have that success in your music coming from, you know, just his origins to go from where he started to where he is through rapping, just rap. There's no. That's just not. You can't even write that script in a movie, you know what I'm saying? So I understand where they, like, when did he run rap? I get all of that. Like, but Jay Z is the greatest rapper ever. Like, that's just point blank, period. But again, there's a kid by the name of Drake who has been dominating music for the last 14 years, something like that, and he has something to say right now. So.

[Bluff]

Yeah, well, I mean, outside of this, it was a great show. Like, like, mind you, we got the Hobie baby and then the freestyle.

[Damaris]

Yeah, there was songs after that he got into, you don't know, right after that.

[Rory]

Fire. Great song.

[Damaris]

You know, I got it.

[Bluff]

I was shocked at the amount of Magna Carta records that he did.

[Rory]

I was so happy watching that.

[Bluff]

Listen, I wasn't mad at it. Like, they worked for sure. And I loved Bilau doing the male vocals. No Church in the wilds. He did a couple other joints. Jasmine Sullivan feeling it was crazy. Admittedly, whoever the sound guy was, her mic was a little muffled, which bothered me a bit. But the set was amazing. Seeing Petey Crack, Jay Z, Freeway and Beans together on stage.

[Damaris]

All right.

[Bluff]

I may have shed a tear.

[Damaris]

You cried when the state property came out.

[Rory]

Cry for sure.

[Damaris]

This would never make it in this state property. You Snitch. You snitch. You snitching the bookings, bro.

[Rory]

Oh, my God.

[Bluff]

Freeway's a friend.

[Damaris]

Nah, it was dope to see them together, man. And Petey was there. We said Petey would be there. Yeah, we said Petey would be there. Petey was there.

[Bluff]

Peter, mind his business.

[Damaris]

He been chilling. Petey been chilling, man. Petey was there. It was good.

[Bluff]

Young guns, Can't Stop, Won't Stop went crazy. I would have loved if they. I think no better love would have went crazier than Can't Stop. I know Can't Stop, Won't Stop is the bigger record, but in Philly, if no better.

[Damaris]

It's too slow. Good record, but it's too slow. I feel you, though. I feel you. I love that record, but it's might be just a little too slow. But, I mean, he did

[Bluff]

ironically.

[Damaris]

Well, not ironically missed, though. That's slow.

[Bluff]

Yeah, that shit he did. Fucking can I live? Yeah.

[Damaris]

Well, yeah, don't get much slower than that.

[Bluff]

It's not really a surprise, but out of all the records he performed and the freestyle, what we do still, it fucking it. The place exploded. I don't want to say that the crowd was like, maybe some of that crowd didn't deserve this set because some people, I was like, yo, how are you not losing your mind over this shit?

[Damaris]

Nah, I ain't gonna lie. I love seeing Jasmine do Feeling it, though. That was hard.

[Rory]

I was fire.

[Damaris]

I felt that was hard. I thought that was hard.

[Bluff]

But when what we do came on, I, you know, rest in peace to my Twitter. But I had said, when I die, please play what we do at my funeral. When the casket is going, just play what we do. That's my only request at my funeral is what we do. That place went nuts when they did what we do. And they had been on stage already.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Bluff]

Like, it wasn't like, some surprise. They'd been chilling for a minute. That place went nuts. I loved him doing the Marcy Me verse on the. You don't know beat also. Why? All right, so we're on. There's a. The. The Doucet riser, and at the bottom, there's, like, the gate to where, like, the GA is. And we were right on the gate. Where you from comes on, we all go nuts. Right in the midst of us watching Where I'm from, somebody gets clean. Knocked the out. Literally. They were still standing up and were asleep and fell like a dead body. Can you scroll up to the track list? Where's where I'm from where I'm from, Marcy, me dirt off your shoulder. I know he woke up at Never Change.

[Damaris]

It's a good time to wake up. That's a good record. Good record.

[Rory]

That's a good record.

[Damaris]

Yeah. I want to wake up when Never Change comes.

[Bluff]

So it's me, Sean B Dot Frazier. We're all like, on shit. And then Wale's right next to me, and Wale has a pop.

[Damaris]

Damn. How many names are you gonna drop, dog?

[Bluff]

I know, I'm really popular.

[Damaris]

Jesus. Where's the name counter at Peas. Are we at 12?

[Bluff]

No, I'm really tapped in. I don't know if you knew that. Like, I'm like, I'm really. People know me.

[Damaris]

Me, B Dot Frazier, Wale, Sean Dickerson. Da da, da. God. Winnie Harlow. Who else was there?

[Bluff]

I would have invited you. My bad. Oh, you couldn't get a ticket.

[Rory]

He damn sure won't be after this episode.

[Bluff]

So mind you, Sungis slept and the crowd just, like, creates this circle of just this dead body that's laying right there. And everyone naturally is like, well, damn, that sucks. But where I'm from is playing. So we all just are like, well, wow, that's crazy. Wale is standing on the little. Like, you know, the barricades have that one step. Wally has a half drinking water bottle and is telling the crowd, give him my water from the stage. He's dead.

[Rory]

Yo, that water ain't gonna wake him up while. Are you gonna pour it on him, bro?

[Bluff]

That and then security came, and

[Damaris]

they

[Bluff]

was all looking at us like, we decided like, we on the other side of the barricade. How the. We knocked somebody out over there.

[Damaris]

No, it was y'. All. Y' all said y' all aren't homie, but hopefully.

[Bluff]

I'll tell you. I'll tell you off. Mike, who wild out on security for trying to blame that front row. It's very funny. I was hoping there was some pepper spray. Anyways, did you guys see any other clips besides obviously the freestyle of performances that you liked?

[Rory]

Now tell them what you text me about Mariah the scientist.

[Bluff]

Oh, she. Nah. Because she's. She's in a relationship. No, I would never say it public. Like, I wouldn't. I don't know, Thug.

[Rory]

I didn't even respond to Rory for like, six hours. I just put my phone down and was just like, the is wrong with you, bro?

[Bluff]

It was a compliment.

[Rory]

Anyway, I saw Brandy perform. She sounded good.

[Bluff]

Yeah, Brought out Monica, too.

[Damaris]

The only other performance I saw was Wale. So, yeah, I Saw JD and I think hov. I didn't see no other performances.

[Bluff]

TI had a crazy performance. He wasn't on the main stage, but everyone ran from the main stage over there. Our guy Nucci did his block party with Chappelle.

[Damaris]

Shout out to Nucci, man.

[Bluff]

Chappelle was a part of as well. Adam Blackstone did the Waiting to Exhale soundtrack. Shout out to our homegirl.

[Rory]

Go.

[Bluff]

Who was on there as well. No, there was a lot of great. The second day was cool because, like, the whole had wore off the whole first day. Everyone was like, well, I don't know if I want to move because what happens when HOV comes? Like, I can't get my spot back. Like, I saw people even in front of the stage in GA's. Like, I want to go see everyone, but nah, I'm staying here from 3pm to now.

[Damaris]

Did him and Black Thought rap?

[Bluff]

No, Black Thought didn't. Black Thought anything, right? No, no, wait. No, I didn't though. That shot at. Yeah, Bringing Meek out was great. His shot at Quest Love made me actually laugh out loud in real time.

[Damaris]

Quest laugh. He laughed too.

[Bluff]

Hell yeah.

[Damaris]

No, see his face, it's like, yeah, you right. I did introduce you to her. I did, I did.

[Rory]

You gotta eat that.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I gotta eat that. I did introduce you to her.

[Bluff]

Jazzy Jeff did. Both days. No, it was a great, great event. Outside of the obvious, admittedly, I did not see Erykah Badu because getting out the first day took me about two hours to get off the grounds. So I've seen Erica live a bunch of times and. Nah, got my Uber. Kehlani was great, though. Me and Sean walked into the after party for five minutes, walked in, walked out.

[Rory]

Why?

[Bluff]

Because Kehlani has all, like, they're not going to talk to us.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Bluff]

What I'm in there for?

[Damaris]

You got a point.

[Rory]

I mean, but sometimes it's nice just to party.

[Bluff]

Like, I don't want to. I don't want to watch Kehlani get all the hoes.

[Damaris]

No.

[Rory]

So you're a hater. Yeah. Oh, okay, cool.

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Bluff]

I mean, I don't want to watch somebody get all the hoes.

[Damaris]

Yeah,

[Bluff]

she walked.

[Damaris]

We.

[Bluff]

We walked in maybe like. Like a minute before her. And when she walked in, it was like, I'm out of here. Whole party just float. Oh, Allen Iverson. Listened to our podcast. Forgot about that. I met Allen Iverson. It's the first time I've ever regretted not asking for a picture.

[Damaris]

You gotta ask. You gotta ask AI for a picture, bro.

[Bluff]

There's a. I. I've talked about my list of people I would ask, and he was always the person on my list I would ask for a photo. But. But in the. Like, it would have been awkward if I would have. Like, we were kicking it and. Yeah, that would have been. I didn't want to do that. In my head, though, if I was. Which. Don't. Don't repeat this to. To anyone. In my head, though, I was like, please, one of these fucking photographers come over here. Somebody get like a candid.

[Damaris]

One of the candidates. You and AI kicking it, but don't

[Bluff]

repeat that to anyone. I didn't. I didn't think that I would have

[Rory]

grabbed one of you if you would actually called me and gave me a ticket like you said you would. I would have took one.

[Damaris]

Get your shit off, baby. See? See? Go ahead.

[Bluff]

You weren't. You weren't coming to see hov.

[Rory]

I would have came.

[Bluff]

That's such a.

[Damaris]

You were somewhere, though, where you was at. You was outside.

[Rory]

I promise you. I went to Lavender Room for literally two hours. That's the only time I left my house all weekend.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

Yeah. I had a homegirl in town and I went to Lavender.

[Damaris]

I know. You did.

[Bluff]

Send her nudes the same way you did with other people.

[Rory]

I'm so tired of him. I'm so tired of him. She was going to come here to visit me today, too.

[Bluff]

And we got company. It would have been perfect.

[Rory]

And we got company.

[Damaris]

It would have been perfect.

[Bluff]

Yeah, we got a whole live studio audience.

[Damaris]

It's perfect. She went back home.

[Rory]

Yeah, she. I think she leaves at 10.

[Damaris]

That's mad time. Mad hours before 10, right? Mad sunlight hours before 10. Yo, we got mass sunlight left, baby. D, what's up?

[Bluff]

We give a ride to the airport and everything.

[Damaris]

So funny said. What's happening? No worries.

[Kal Penn]

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[Ray Porter]

I really had to make a decision because I caught myself getting that frog in my throat and starting to get teary as I'm narrating some of these sections. And it's like, okay, yo, yo, yo. Is this indulgent? And I really thought about it. I was like, no. At this point, it would kind of be betraying the trust the author and the listener have in telling this story if I don't go through it. But there's places in this book that that deeply emotionally affected me and I left it on the mic. That's great because it served the story. People will say like oh my God, I cried at the end. It's like yeah dude, me too.

[Kal Penn]

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[Bluff]

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[Damaris]

play social casino void where prohibited.

[Bluff]

Visit spinquest.com for more details.

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[Bluff]

All right, never mind. I thought we were gonna get all fruits picked and go into something else in real time. Tasha K. What does Tasha K do besides get sued?

[Rory]

I know Cardi B sued the draws off her ass, though, so you don't

[Bluff]

need to Google what does Tasha K do. Go back to the tweet. Thank you. Tasha K just tweeted five minutes ago.

[Damaris]

Whoa.

[Bluff]

Just got word that Jay Z allegedly kicked Rory and Mole out of his section at the Roots picnic. He allegedly told them, I thought you both were Drake fans. Then proceeded to kick them out. This is bad news considering they are Roc Nation talent and signed to him. Everything is allegedly. Even my name is allegedly. Let's start with the first one. Jay Z doing a headline festival where he's doing a freestyle addressing everything that has been said about him in five years. You think Jay Z is.

[Damaris]

Is.

[Bluff]

Is trying to wonder where Rory's standing?

[Damaris]

I was home,

[Bluff]

York City.

[Damaris]

I was watching.

[Bluff]

I was about to say mall.

[Rory]

I can't believe you went without me.

[Damaris]

I was watching game seven in the crib, man.

[Bluff]

So Jay is putting his set together with the Roots, State Property reunion, Bilal, Jasmine Sullivan. Instead of that, Jay Z leaves backstage and goes into gen Pop and finds Rory and says, aren't you a Drake fan? Get out of my section. That's not my section.

[Rory]

That makes mad sense.

[Damaris]

I will say this, though. This is the first time my name, Jay name, and Drake's name and has been in the same sentence.

[Rory]

So, yeah, I've never. This is a original sentence for sure.

[Damaris]

This is as original as it gets, but. What? I'm sorry, Tasha K. No disrespect to your sources, but disrespect. I was in New York City, home watching Stefon, Castle and Wima. I wasn't nowhere near Bruce Bignick.

[Rory]

We signed the Roc Nation and.

[Damaris]

And also Tasha K. I am not signed to Roc Nation.

[Bluff]

This is bad news considering they are Roc Nation talent.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Bluff]

Can we. Can we pull up the Roc Nation website roster?

[Damaris]

Yeah, I'm just not. I'm not signed to Roc Nation, Tasha K. But we do kind of look

[Bluff]

like Joe and Jason.

[Damaris]

She did she to be. We do look like Joe and Jada a little bit. Right?

[Bluff]

But.

[Damaris]

But to be fair, she did say allegedly, so.

[Bluff]

Well, there's like 17 lies. You can't say one lie. You could say allegedly.

[Damaris]

Yeah. And now y' all see why I'm riding with my man Jake. Me out a Roots picnic out the section and all. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Come on, Drake. Drake. Kicking me out of sections and all that. Yeah. I was home, man. What are y' all talking about?

[Bluff]

Imagine Jay leaving backstage. I thought you was a Drake fan. Yo, kick them out.

[Damaris]

Yeah. I don't know who your sources are, Tasha K, but you did say allegedly, so we got. We could leave it at that.

[Bluff]

This is the dumbest I've ever. This is, like, not now. I feel everyone that shits on because I don't know Tasha K. We never talked about Tasha K. I don't particularly care. I mean that respectfully. I'm not saying I don't care, but I just don't know her. Don't care. There. Now I understand why people get so upset at this. This woman. Like, this is like. No. Okay, so you could just legitimately make up a fairy tale, a couple fairy tales, and just say allegedly.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bluff]

It's a nasty world, man.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

See, my thing is with these people who claim to be reporters, bloggers, whatever, right? You might have gotten word from a source that's lying about the top part, but it takes a Google search to Google that y' all aren't Roc Nation talent. Like, that's part of, like, I love beautiful reporting.

[Bluff]

You think Tasha's doing research?

[Rory]

No, I don't think that. I don't think that. That's why she doesn't have any more draws left. But my point is, this is why people are mad at her. You can't get mad at a source telling her some bullshit. But I can get mad at you for not verifying it and also not looking, doing your basic Google searches.

[Damaris]

But y' all don't understand. We got kicked out twice because she said she just got word that Jay Z allegedly kicked Rory Ma out of his sexy injury picnic. He allegedly told him, I thought you both were Drake fans, then proceeded to kick them out. Out. That's two kicks outs. Yeah, I got kicked out twice.

[Rory]

Kicked out a section, then kicked off the ground.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I got kicked out of Philly. So

[Bluff]

let's look at this in a positive way. Let's find the positivity in everything. It's 2026. We love positivity.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Bluff]

I'm flattered that Jay Z went out of his way to focus on where I was.

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah, gotta find that.

[Bluff]

Makes me feel pretty good.

[Damaris]

Gotta find the silver lining, Rory. So, yes, I'm pretty important. I'm glad Jay took time to locate Rory myself, even though I was all the way in New York City and kick us Both out of.

[Bluff]

I love that she spelled mall like.

[Rory]

Like, go to the mall.

[Damaris]

Like, the mall. Go to the mall. It's 1L. It's one. My name is Jamal. She want L. Yeah, but, yeah, you

[Rory]

know, whatever it is, I didn't get kicked out. I was still there, so.

[Bluff]

Allegedly. Well, like, did he yell it from the stage? Yeah, yeah, he went in the crowd.

[Damaris]

Yeah, he walked through. He parted. Told me to make a way.

[Bluff]

I didn't want to say it.

[Rory]

That's Jehovah.

[Bluff]

You know when people are like, yo, my friend's going through something, they need advice, but they usually talk about themselves. That person that got slept, like, knocked the fuck out hov. Knocked me the fuck out mid performance.

[Damaris]

It was you.

[Bluff]

I was you. I was just laying there lifeless.

[Damaris]

It was you.

[Rory]

Damn, yo, that's pain.

[Damaris]

See what happens when you don't go Rory Roots, you get kicked out.

[Rory]

Yeah. That's embarrassing is what it is. I don't like being kicked out. I'd have been very embarrassed. I would have said, I don't even like my name. Not in the show. I don't know them like that.

[Bluff]

I was in a conversation before I got kicked out of the do say Riser. I was in a conversation with, you know, some industry leaders. I won't say their names. And they were talking about industry leaders. Leaders.

[Damaris]

Calling somebody an industry leader is so craz. What? All right, now I need to know who are the industry leaders?

[Bluff]

Same people I named before.

[Damaris]

Who the are the industry leaders.

[Bluff]

They dictate the landscape.

[Damaris]

Okay, all right, got you.

[Bluff]

So. And they were all talking about who's performed the most at Roots. And I kind of had to talk my.

[Rory]

I.

[Bluff]

Look, I said, I think mall and I lead the list.

[Damaris]

Where we at? No. 2, twice. Okay.

[Bluff]

They were trying to find someone that performs. I said, I mean, I think it's only. I think it's Rory and Ma. And then everyone else is. It's just there.

[Damaris]

That's why Jake.

[Bluff]

It's like, it's Rory Maul and then Hove.

[Damaris]

That's why Jay kicked us out. We got two. Two appearances at Roots Picnic, and he was like, that's enough.

[Bluff]

We've headlined the podcast stage twice.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Okay. All right.

[Bluff]

Well, packed out.

[Rory]

They missed.

[Bluff]

They missed Summer Walker for us. Anyways, shout out to Roots Picnic. As usual, an amazing, amazing event. Shout out to Boost Mobile. Yes. For everything that they did.

[Damaris]

Unlimited text data and kicked outness.

[Bluff]

Yeah. After I got kicked out, I went on my phone and thank God Boost Mobile gave me service so I could call My mom and be like, mom, they're being mean. Can you pick me up? So shout out to boost there. I did miss a lot of stuff because of the picnic. I am still catching up.

[Damaris]

Sorry.

[Bluff]

It's okay. That's why I got kicked up. Focus. Focus on the show. Not.

[Damaris]

No, I am. This was something. Okay, got it.

[Bluff]

That was top. That was Tasha K. No, no, no. I'm catching up now. On the ride up with this whole Diddy debacle, I didn't get a chance to watch the footage, which I probably won't, but a sex tape was leaked, which Vlad has been verbally jerking off to for the last six months. So I know he's happy that the rest of the world saw it. Damaris, you said this shit is 40 minutes. I thought it was, like, a clip.

[Rory]

40 minutes.

[Bluff]

I saw people talk about Diddy's dick, and that's why I just kept scrolling. I thought it was just like a clip. Like a actual performance was put on on 40 minutes. Who could for 40 minutes?

[Rory]

They weren't for 40 minutes. A lot of it was the porn star, like, trying to get hard again. But, I mean, I feel like it's hard to get hard when, like, Diddy, like, is standing there with his dick in his hand, like, pouring.

[Damaris]

Like, he was doing. What did.

[Rory]

He was, like, walking around with his dick in his hand, changing the music, changing the lights, talking them through it.

[Bluff]

All right, man, you setting the vibe.

[Rory]

I'm not being, like, good at my job. I'm just being a dead ass right now. That's what he was doing. He, like, you know, was walking around dicking his hands, like, and was, like, pouring baby oil on them.

[Damaris]

On them?

[Rory]

On them? Yeah, like, there wasn't enough baby oil. Like, I understand why he has so much baby oil. Like, he dead ass has a baby oil fetish. Like, they were already greased up. Like, you know, baby oil. Stay there for a while.

[Bluff]

Word.

[Rory]

The baby oil you pull, you were

[Bluff]

in a shower and baby oil is not good.

[Rory]

Yeah, no, that. Kept pouring baby oil on them. Like, he wanted to see it. Like, dripping off them.

[Bluff]

Okay, wait. All right. Did he part?

[Rory]

He was not.

[Bluff]

Was it a threesome?

[Rory]

I did not see. I did not see Diddy fuck at any point in that video.

[Bluff]

So why are you naked?

[Rory]

He's jerking off.

[Damaris]

All right, son, listen. Check this out. You ain't got to get butt ass to break off. Like, first and foremost, you want to get butt ass naked to shake one out.

[Rory]

Now, I'm not saying I wouldn't laugh

[Bluff]

More if he was Winnie the Pooh.

[Rory]

I'm not saying that Diddy at no point was involved in the sex sex, but from the. The tape that I saw, at no point was Diddy.

[Bluff]

Okay, but you would think that Shorty,

[Rory]

after Shorty got done, like, sucking dick. Like, he, like, Diddy, like, hand her. Handed her a towel. She was like, thank you, Daddy. And. Yeah, but I would find it hard to get. I would find it hard to get hard. And if. If such a great musician was sitting up there with his dick in his hands watching me fuck the girl he's involved with and, like, talking us through it and pouring. Pouring baby oil on us, I would. Might have a problem getting. It's a little awkward.

[Bluff]

You think he's talking himself in his head, like, can't stop.

[Damaris]

He's a. He's a porn star.

[Bluff]

You can do it.

[Rory]

He's a Sly diggler.

[Damaris]

Sly Diggler.

[Bluff]

So, I mean, he's in front of, like, live studio audience. There's probably 20 people on the porn set.

[Damaris]

But he don't. Them niggas ain't hip hop moguls.

[Rory]

Them niggas ain't discover big.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Like, it's different when you, like, if I'm about to smash something and Dr. Dre start walking around with him butt ass, I'm gonna be like, yo, son. Like, I can't do this. Like, I grew up listening to this right here. Like, what is we doing right now? Like, you just can't. Like, I'm not doing that. That's just weird.

[Rory]

And then changing the light colors and, like, you throwing off his equilibrium. Stay still. Like, Diddy kept walking around the room, like, stay still. Hold the camera. Why is you walking around?

[Damaris]

Damn.

[Bluff]

I mean, he paid for it, right?

[Rory]

Somebody said if Diddy put his dick in his hands, like, and closed his fist, like, nobody would know he was hiding nothing. I saw that on Twitter. That was actually very funny.

[Bluff]

See, I don't care about Diddy's dick.

[Rory]

The listeners.

[Bluff]

The listeners might.

[Damaris]

Nobody listening to this podcast cares about Diddy.

[Rory]

You are mad. Gay listeners.

[Damaris]

Shout out to the gay listeners.

[Bluff]

I mean, Happy Pride Month. Happy Pride Month to you as well.

[Rory]

Thank you.

[Bluff]

And to all of our listeners that are. Hold up.

[Damaris]

LGBT Pride Month is the same month as men's Mental Health. Mental Mental Health Month month. It's Men's Mental Health Month.

[Bluff]

You need some better help.

[Damaris]

June is men's Mental Health month, right?

[Bluff]

Why do you know that?

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

You don't give a. About your mental health.

[Bluff]

I. I guess I just don't see where you're making the connection. Like, why can't both things exist in June?

[Damaris]

Nah, get. You know, I give them another month. B.

[Bluff]

Gay people that with your mental health.

[Damaris]

Yeah, give them another month, man.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Bluff]

And we're back.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Bluff]

Well, yes. Happy Pride month to all of our listeners that celebrate it. I just don't really care about Diddy's dick. I did see. What's her name? Sorry, Daphne Joy. Yes, I did see that. She replied with a lengthy response of her having to relive her being abused and prayers to her and that entire thing.

[Rory]

No, I don't want to just throw

[Damaris]

out saying prayers for he not praying for Daphne. He's never got on his knees at night and said, lord, please take care of Daphne.

[Bluff]

You don't know.

[Damaris]

You've never done that.

[Bluff]

But I mean, today, Daphne, today I might.

[Rory]

How about we say this for the people who do pray for people they don't know. Please pray for her. And I mean that seriously, because women are so often getting caught in the middle of men's shit towards each other. I don't know who leaked this. I don't know who did this, but.

[Bluff]

Oh, no, I'm not making a mockery of it.

[Rory]

Cause she has a child.

[Bluff]

We've been the only pod that has been on the. Diddy. I'm not. I'm not taking this lightly whatsoever. And I don't care if you. If you watch that video and feel like she's not being abused. Revenge porn is abuse. Extorting someone with their intimate moments that they didn't consent to and selling it and posting it is abuse, and it's nasty and don't do it.

[Rory]

Can y' all imagine waking up and y' all was on the Internet?

[Bluff]

Am I cuffing it like this?

[Damaris]

Like butt ass? I'm butt ass on the Internet?

[Rory]

Yeah, against your will. Like, that's so fucked up. But y' all aren't women, so y' all won't. Would never understand. Like, that. That's such a violation of privacy.

[Bluff]

I agree.

[Damaris]

I ain't gonna lie. That's how I felt when Shorty sent my hammer pic to her group chat. I was so hurt.

[Rory]

Baby D, it was not hurt.

[Bluff]

And this is where you wanted to

[Rory]

fuck her friend anyway. You was happy she did the free avatar.

[Bluff]

I'm team double standard.

[Damaris]

That's crossing marketing.

[Bluff]

It's a linear and a vertical. My dick was the vertical.

[Damaris]

No, serious, serious time, Rory.

[Bluff]

No, but again, you guys know I'm an advocate of double standards. It's a Double standard, bro. Like, there should be no reason one of my home girls is saying, yo, I seen M's dick in a group. In my group chat. That's a violation. But

[Damaris]

I was hurt by that.

[Bluff]

Men's mental health.

[Damaris]

Exactly. It's still painful, man.

[Rory]

Y' all mental health. My bad. That came from a personal, not a business standpoint. I'm so sorry. I love you both and I hope that both of you are mentally healthy. That's my bad. I'm sorry.

[Bluff]

You wouldn't console if mall's hammer pick ended up online. You wouldn't come in here, be like, yo, I feel so bad for you.

[Rory]

Depending on what the hammer look like. Like, what if this walking around with some that hit his kneecap? I'm not walking in and feeling bad for him.

[Damaris]

That.

[Rory]

Now everybody know got. Got a big.

[Damaris]

Send him my number.

[Rory]

Yeah, like, but if he. If he come in and his is o D. Micro little penis. I'm not.

[Damaris]

If they caught me on the smurm just walking around like, I ain't really. Brick, don't do that. Yeah, I'm a grow. I'm a grow, not a show.

[Rory]

Oh, little dick favorite line. I'm a grower, not a shower.

[Damaris]

I am. I'm a grower.

[Bluff]

I don't even. What's. What's. Pause on steroids. What's. What's next Pause. Like, what's the next part? What's the next part?

[Damaris]

I'm not playing.

[Kal Penn]

Stop.

[Damaris]

I'm not playing. I'm not playing. Stop. I'm not playing.

[Bluff]

Stop. At a car accident. Pause. Yo, there was a line that my friend said afterwards that I did not ask for. She just added another part to that sentence, which was what? And it was in mall's favor, I'll put it that way. And I was like, I didn't need to hear that.

[Rory]

Oh, you wanted to tell everybody. Ma got some so bad.

[Damaris]

You see that, right, baby?

[Bluff]

That's the helmet.

[Damaris]

That's the helmet right there.

[Bluff]

Come on, stop.

[Damaris]

Baby D. Look, you thought. You thought I. You. That was my. You know, that was my air podcast. No, that ain't it, Baby D. When

[Bluff]

I'm in the crib, I stand like this.

[Damaris]

Yeah, Baby D.

[Rory]

Yo, you play too much, bro.

[Bluff]

Not with his kickstand.

[Rory]

Uh oh, you gay. Like, I'm not going to lie.

[Damaris]

I'm not going to hold you.

[Rory]

I'm not going to lie. You gay as. I'm not going.

[Bluff]

I said, he.

[Damaris]

He said. He said, stop. I'm not playing. He said,

[Bluff]

yo, please.

[Rory]

But yeah, if we came in here and Mal. Dick was little. To wrap that up, I would be very nice to you.

[Bluff]

I would. I would feel about that segment.

[Rory]

I would, like, feel bad. Like, if Maul came in here, everybody found out his dick was little, I would feel. I would be mad nice to him.

[Bluff]

I feel like that would make it worse. No, like, don't pity me because my dick is small, but I'm not about

[Rory]

to be meaning you and your dick small. That's mad problems.

[Bluff]

I think that'd be a better approach. Is a friend okay? Like, clown. Don't. Don't. Don't give me pity inches. Like, no, it's okay. It's the motion.

[Damaris]

No, I. We just see this. The power of the Internet. Damn, I'm about to drop a name. All right, I ain't going to tell you who it is, but somebody just texted me, said, nah, this true. No, bro, I was nowhere near Philly.

[Bluff]

Can you also say that it's not true on my end either?

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah, you was there. Then

[Bluff]

that makes it look like I was. That actually happened.

[Rory]

Yo. Said I wasn't in Philly. Like, damn, who y' all funny today, man.

[Bluff]

I mean. All right, I'll address. Oh, yeah, Daphne. Seriously, That's. That's up. That someone would extort your sex tapes and then release them and. And you have a child. Like, all that is.

[Damaris]

That's up. No, it's. Right. But is there a way I could just get, like, just the Daphne headed. Could I just see Daphne? Because she fine as a. Like, I just want to see her naked.

[Bluff]

Well, I mean, if it's.

[Damaris]

I don't want to see Puff walking around. I don't want to see Dirk Diggler. What's his name?

[Rory]

Sly Diggler.

[Damaris]

So I want to see Sly. Just give me the Daphne edit because somebody. DJ Head, make the Daphne Joy. Make the Daphne Joy edit. DJ Head. DJ Head, you want to use your editing skills for some positive. Check this out. Oh, take Puff and take. What's his name? Sly. Yeah, take Puff and Sly out of the sex tape and just give us. Give us one of sister's best tunes in the background playing with just Daphne's beautifulness, just walking around.

[Bluff]

What did DJ Head say? All of that's been removed.

[Damaris]

Yeah, let's.

[Bluff]

Let's remove.

[Damaris]

Let's remove all of the heads. Let's remove all of that.

[Bluff]

Yield. Stop playing DJ Head's name. Being involved in this conversation is a pause.

[Damaris]

Let's move all of that head. Let's get all of that out of here. Just Give us that.

[Bluff]

And I know we make a joke again.

[Damaris]

Like, it's not cool.

[Bluff]

I don't want to make light of it.

[Damaris]

I put that tape out of you. I hate that. But you are fine as fuck. And I just want to peek. That's all.

[Bluff]

I'm just.

[Damaris]

I don't want to see them over two niggas. But you. You look good.

[Rory]

And to be fair, you should not watch sex tapes of people when they were not released.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Under the consent. Like, if they didn't consent to it being released.

[Damaris]

So I shouldn't watch it on X right now?

[Rory]

No, you shouldn't.

[Damaris]

Hey, Daphne. Look good. It ain't my fault.

[Bluff]

Well, you just have to. You have to balance that out with also Puff and his genitals.

[Damaris]

No, no.

[Bluff]

So balance it out.

[Rory]

You can't really see Diddy dick is little, but there was other shit that you could see.

[Damaris]

I'll ask DJ Head to do us all a favor and make the edit for us. If DJ Head would be so kind to make that edit, I will go on djhead.com and download that, no problem. Like, Daphne, Joy is gorgeous.

[Bluff]

You just skipped over with the Mercer.

[Damaris]

What did she say?

[Bluff]

She said Diddy's ass is clear.

[Damaris]

I don't want to see Diddy's ass. Like, I just don't want to see that.

[Rory]

No, I hear you. I didn't want to see it either.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I don't want to see that, man. And Sly, no disrespect to Sly, whoever his name is. I don't want to see you either.

[Rory]

So you guys, for sure.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but my bad.

[Bluff]

You've probably seen his work and don't even know. I think he's, like, a big porn star.

[Damaris]

Oh, okay. So, yeah, I've probably seen him, you know, in passing another year. But I don't want. Y' all don't think about that when y' all watching.

[Rory]

But, like, why y' all don't just watch lesbian porn where it's all women? Like, why y' all want to see dicks?

[Damaris]

I watch a lot of lesbian porn. I do.

[Bluff]

I don't know why that line is just. I don't know why it's funny. It's just funny.

[Damaris]

But I got, like, the DJ Head editing thing in my. Like, when you watch on the fly,

[Rory]

you got, like, the Kanye stems thing.

[Damaris]

I don't see none of them. You know?

[Bluff]

Yeah, I got a stem player.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I got the stem. Yeah. I don't see.

[Bluff]

Block it out and put yourself.

[Damaris]

I don't see them.

[Rory]

You don't hear the moaning. You just got the stems for her moaning, man.

[Damaris]

I just see the women. That's what I'm here for.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Bluff]

Anyways, before we get out of here, I will admit I'm very nervous about this week.

[Damaris]

Why?

[Bluff]

Wednesday, game one. Yeah, yeah,

[Damaris]

yeah, yeah. What it's looking like?

[Rory]

Who were y' all wishing for? Were y' all wishing for?

[Damaris]

Ok, now I'm gonna keep it real. Now, my boy, he put out. He put down 50k on the spurs beginning of the season. The payout right now is at 300K. If the spurs win, I want to see my man Touch that 300k. I ain't gonna lie, man.

[Bluff]

Wait, that's what Hard Rock is getting up?

[Damaris]

I think so. I think when he put that bet down.

[Bluff]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

I don't know. He made it the. Yeah. This was before the New year shout

[Bluff]

out to Hard Rock bet sponsoring all of our Knicks and Spurs coverage. Yeah, but that's. That's not a bad. That's not a bad.

[Damaris]

You put 50k on the spurs in November to win it all, and then they actually get to the finals. Yeah, I want to see. I'm a New Yorker. I want to see the Knicks win.

[Bluff]

I ain't touch that 300.

[Damaris]

Jalen Brunson ain't paying my man's mortgage, B. That's just a fact. I want to see the Knicks win. I want to see them win. But my man got 297,000 sitting in the app waiting on the cat.

[Rory]

I was your man on the wrong team.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Bluff]

Spurs are minus 200. Knicks plus 165 on Hard Rock right now. I hear you, but I don't know your man's. And I don't know his mortgage.

[Damaris]

That's all right.

[Bluff]

But I know my heart.

[Damaris]

That's all right.

[Bluff]

And my heart.

[Damaris]

That's all right.

[Bluff]

My heart is with heart.

[Damaris]

Listen, that's, that's, that's cool, and I respect that.

[Bluff]

I'm not beating at the same time,

[Damaris]

I'm a New Yorker. I'm rooting for them.

[Bluff]

I'm legitimately nervous.

[Damaris]

I want to see it go 7. I want to see it go 7.

[Bluff]

I want to See it go 4. With the Knicks winning.

[Damaris]

Nah, sweet.

[Bluff]

Come on.

[Damaris]

That'd be crazy. And that ain't gonna happen. They're not sweeping the Spurs, I can tell you that now.

[Bluff]

I'm. I'm nervous. I would have preferred on Casey.

[Damaris]

This is the first time in the entire playoffs. I think the Knicks are going to be tested. This is the test.

[Bluff]

Once I Found out Wembanyana is a fucking mob boss, like just sending out hits. Yeah, no, I don't. I'm nervous for Mitch. They gonna break his other finger, put it in the envelope and send it to his mom.

[Damaris]

Oh yeah, Mitch. Mitch Robinson. Yeah, but he's playing that finger. He don't need that finger.

[Bluff]

Webign Yan is whispering people's ears and they getting knocked off on the court.

[Damaris]

Yeah, man. It's gonna be a good series though. I think it's gonna go seven. My heart is with the Knicks. But again, my boy got this 300k riding, man. I'm just, you know, so I'm rooting for him too. But I do want to see the Knicks winning, man. Cause we may not ever get this close again. You scared, huh?

[Bluff]

I'm so scared.

[Damaris]

We scared?

[Bluff]

No, it's scary. It's scary.

[Damaris]

Hours five, man. Don't be scared. You should have been scared when Hov kicked you out that section. That's when you should have been scared. Don't be scared now.

[Bluff]

You don't think I fall back?

[Damaris]

Don't be scared now. You should have been scared when you saw all that hair walking towards you

[Bluff]

instead of focusing on the show.

[Damaris]

You knew you was listening to Iceman while he was up.

[Bluff]

No, he revealed the fro before he went on stage. He blew it when he tried to kick me out.

[Damaris]

Funny Peach. Who you got, man? You like The Knicks? Yeah.

[Bluff]

MVP Webina is minus 190. Brunson plus 210.

[Damaris]

I ain't gonna lie. I think MVP. Can we pick two, depending on the team that wins. If the spurs win, I think Stefan castle's gonna win MVP.

[Bluff]

Really?

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Bluff]

That's plus 4,000 right now.

[Damaris]

You know why? It's something about when guards that can score go to the guard and they have career game.

[Bluff]

Why would you put that in the air? I don't care if it's true. Why would you say that?

[Damaris]

It just is.

[Bluff]

What?

[Damaris]

You gotta talk to the facts.

[Kal Penn]

Worry.

[Bluff]

That's what you speak to.

[Damaris]

That the fact facts swing on that Stefan Castle. I'm picking him. Cuz Wimy is the obvious. We know that. But I'm going Stefon Castle if the spurs win. And I'm going Jaylen Brunson win. The Knicks win. You see what I did right there? See what I. That's.

[Bluff]

I didn't like that.

[Damaris]

I didn't say if.

[Bluff]

I said win though. That Castle bet would be good. If, if. If you hoping your man's wins with the spurs, that'd be a good bet for you. Plus 4,000 on that. Yeah, I mean, I'm. I'm going Jalen Brunson and Webign. I don't think it's going to be like some surprise. I think it's just going to be women, Yano or Brunson.

[Damaris]

I mean, Cat got a chance, too, though.

[Bluff]

Cat has been balling all MVP too, though.

[Damaris]

He got a chance.

[Bluff]

OG Might not be that crazy of a thought either.

[Damaris]

OG Been playing solid, but he ain't going to win. He ain't going to be the mvp.

[Bluff]

He's rested, man.

[Damaris]

Yeah, he ain't going to be the mvp, though. Though. Yeah, I'm going Stefon Castle or Jalen Brunson. F. MVP.

[Bluff]

Well, Brunson is plus 210 and Weana is minus 190. OG is at plus 4,000. Castle's at plus 4,000. Those aren't that risky a bets.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that's really not. That might be a good bet.

[Bluff]

That's not a crazy bet to make.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Bluff]

But, yeah, tomorrow. Tomorrow my life either. Either starts or stops.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

That's so dramatic.

[Damaris]

Yo, New Yorkers are so crazy, man. I'm telling you. Like, yo, it's really something wrong with us. My life either starts or stops. Oh, man.

[Bluff]

Anyways, this was a fun episode. We'll talk to you guys.

[Damaris]

So you remember my viral story about when I was in the. In the Bronx in the hallway with all the bloods?

[Bluff]

Yeah, of course.

[Damaris]

Yeah. That's my man I was with. Look how tall this is. Six eight. Now, when we was 12, that was six three. I was five four in a hallway with 13 bloods. And this. Start talking crazy.

[Bluff]

That's up, man.

[Rory]

Yeah, man.

[Damaris]

Almost got us killed in the South Bronx. And what was that? 94 Yates, man. 94. Yo, listen, 1994 in the South Bronx. Y' all ain't want to be there. Y' all didn't want to be.

[Bluff]

No, no, I agree with that. I'm not gonna try to convince you

[Damaris]

I didn't want to be in the south, bro. Man. But we'll talk to y' all soon. Be safe, be blessed. I'm that. He's just Ginger. Peace.

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