Episode 510 | Jamal Jerome Tyrone

Summary

New Rory & MAL – Episode 510 | "Jamal Jerome Tyrone" (June 23, 2026)

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Episode Overview

This episode of New Rory & MAL delivers the signature mix of humor, hot takes, and candid reflection the show is known for. The hosts and recurring crew riff on everything from Father’s Day and the politics of brunch, to black hair care discourse, the controversy around AI and music, generational nostalgia, and naming conventions. The episode also features a lively guest segment with singer-songwriter Kyle Dion, focusing on industry changes like deluxe album drops and the existential risk posed by generative AI for musicians. The late episode is marked by tributes to recently deceased industry greats, including producer Tay Keith and Clive Davis.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

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1. Father’s Day, Parenting Stereotypes & Gender Roles

• Discussion on How Fathers Want to Spend the Day
  • [03:15] Mall: "Happy Father's Day to all of the fathers absolutely out there."
  • Rory and Mall joke about the low-key ways fathers actually want to spend the day, contrasting the hype around Mother’s Day ("A father wants to be left alone...that’s why the streets are clear." — Rory, [04:01]).
• Generational Mindset and Gender Roles
  • Damaris shares her family’s Father’s Day routines, highlighting the importance of quality time over activities ([04:25-04:48]).
  • Light-hearted debate on how easy it technically is "to make life" vs. raise kids ([05:09-05:29]).
• Beard Culture, Aging, and Attractiveness
  • Humorous discussion on redhead graying, using hair dye products, and the social significance of beards for men ([06:06-07:48]).
  • Memorable moment:
    • Rory: "I would look like a pedophile" (on shaving his beard) [06:46].

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2. Hairlines, Enhancements, and Internet Reactions

• Men’s Grooming: Hairline “Enhancements” & Barbershop Culture
  • Enhancement sprays, Beijing products, and the pressure for perfect hairlines—Mall is adamant he would never accept sprayed-on enhancements ([09:21-09:53]).
  • How barbers are now even doing these on kids; Damaris recounts a hilarious and gross first date story involving running enhancement dye ([09:33-09:47]).
• Jay-Z’s Current Hair, Content & Capitalism
  • In-depth session on the internet's obsession with Jay-Z’s new fro and Beyoncé’s strategic hair product launch ([13:02-14:22]), as well as the blending of celebrity branding, family dynamics, and performance marketing.
  • Quotes:
    • "I think this put to rest a lot of the questions that people were having regarding Jay's hair..." — Mall, [14:08]
    • "Everything is for capitalism. Welcome to America." — Damaris, [14:39]
  • Product reviews: Damaris supports Beyoncé's Sacred haircare, noting it genuinely works for her ([15:12-15:19]).

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3. Social Media, Stereotypes, & Hip-Hop Beef

• Jay-Z/Beyoncé, Media Response, and Stereotype Fatigue
  • Mall and Rory dissect the simultaneous commodification and criticism of Black celebrities, tying it to broader social fatigue about constant internet uproar ([14:22-19:09]).
• Dame Dash’s Behavior and Internet Trolling
  • Deep dive into Dame Dash’s recent antics—rap "responses," seeking attention, and public image, sparking a serious conversation about legacy, taste, and motivation ([20:53-33:32]).
  • Quote:
    • "I think he’s lost himself in the character of trolling now as opposed to losing himself in the amazing businessman that he always has been." — Rory, [26:18]
  • Mall likens Dame to Heath Ledger’s Joker, embodying a role to the point of losing himself ([32:11]).

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4. Music: Trends, Nostalgia, and Cultural Reception

• Song of the Summer and Perception Shifts
  • Damaris champions Young Miami’s "Spin That" as the summer anthem, reflecting on how songs shift in public perception as they become ubiquitous, even if initially panned ([43:54-44:53]).
  • Debate on “good music” versus nostalgia: Can a hit still be “trash”?
    • "Good music is timeless...something could be nostalgic, but it’s still a bad song." — Damaris, [47:24-48:21]
• Movies vs. Music as Timeless Art
  • Light argument on whether film/TV or music holds up better over generations ([48:25-52:21]).
  • They riff on the “shittiness” and brilliance of certain cult movies ("Friday", "Baby Boy", "Scarface", "Animal House") and how nostalgia colors these judgments.

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5. Will Ferrell, Comedy, and Slapstick

• Comedy Styles: Slapstick vs. Intellectual
  • Damaris is exasperated by Will Ferrell’s brand of humor, while Rory and Mall staunchly defend "Step Brothers," "Anchorman," "Elf," and classics like "Borat," arguing for the intelligence embedded in even the silliest films ([56:08-61:53]).
  • "Some of the most intellectual comedy you could think of—Borat is classic." — Rory, [59:16]
  • Hilarious reminiscing about seeing "Borat" in theaters with Roc-A-Fella legends ([59:54-60:29]).

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6. Industry Losses: Tay Keith and Clive Davis

• Tributes and Reflections
  • Somber segment reflecting on the deaths of producer Tay Keith (age 29) and music legend Clive Davis ([68:20-74:32]).
  • Impact of Keith’s sound on hip-hop: "All of hip hop is about to change. Take Keith ran hip hop." — Damaris, [69:02]
  • Broader point on the unique impact of losing young talents versus older legends ([69:21-74:32]).
• Mental Health in Music & Friendship
  • Discussion emphasizes checking in on friends in the industry, not just via text:
    • "Maybe we need to be a little more nosy with certain people that say everything is fine." — Rory, [72:27]

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7. Stereotypical Names, Identity, and Culture

• Cultural Stereotypes in Names
  • Lively debate over which names are “most stereotypically Black”—Jamal, Tyrone, Shaniqua, etc.—and a sidebar about the Irish origins of some of those names ([76:23-78:37]).
  • "Jamal is a very, very stereotypical black name...it's almost become a character of racism." — Damaris, [78:58-79:02]
• Nostalgia for 'Old People' Names and Cultural Exchange
  • The cast jokes about extinct names (Barbara, Gertie, Eileen), Irish/West Indian linguistic overlaps, and passing down family names ([80:04-85:57]).

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8. Music Industry: Deluxes, Algorithms & the AI Threat (with Guest Kyle Dion)

Music Release Strategy Changes

• Deluxe Albums and Streaming Algorithms
  • Kyle Dion explains why artists now push deluxe albums for algorithmic boosts and visibility ([99:04-101:31]).
  • "You spend like years working on one album and then you put it out and it's like three months and everybody's going to the next thing." — Kyle Dion, [99:04]
  • Rory and Kyle debate the art vs. business tension:
    • "I still have that old mentality, and it's more of a fan rather than a creator..." — Rory, [101:31]
• Song Selection and Perfectionism
  • Humorous back-and-forth on why some collaborations never see the light of day and the perfectionism that can lead songs to stay on the hard drive ([102:19-104:57]).

AI’s Impact and Ethical Dilemmas

• SZA’s AI Rant & Artist Exploitation
  • In-depth analysis of SZA’s viral statements about the abuse of AI in music; focus on how AI models are trained almost exclusively on Black artists’ music without consent ([113:07-117:01]).
  • "Every song that goes through these AI programs is from black artists...rarely are they using white artists to teach AI anything." — SZA (paraphrased by Rory), [115:00]
• Diplo, Timbaland, and the Industry’s Divided Response
  • Critique of Diplo’s “adapt or die” stance and why many Black artists feel AI music is cultural theft ([117:03-121:23]).
  • "If you're training [AI] to study writers and voices and fluctuations...that's sampling an art." — Mall, [117:38]
  • "It’s really sad and sick." — Kyle Dion, [119:52]
• Possible Solutions and Limitations of AI
  • Technical talk: Can raw, imperfect vocals keep artists ahead of AI? Is auto-tune making things easier for AI? ([127:32-130:59])
  • "I think every artist, you have a distinct sound about you. Nothing AI is not going to be able to emulate exactly what you do." — Kyle Dion, [123:18]

Live Performance Struggles

• The artistry and discipline of live shows vs. TikTok-fueled, unprepared upstarts ([136:22-138:49]).
  • "I feel like the bar is in hell…everybody's thriving [because the standard is so low]." — Kyle Dion, [137:10]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Father’s Day:
  • "A father wants to be left alone, so that’s why the streets are clear." – Rory, [04:01]
• On Jay-Z’s hair/Beyoncé’s marketing:
  • "Look at them selling products...They’re a businessman and a businesswoman." – Rory, [14:36]
• On Dame Dash and “Trolling”:
  • "I think he’s lost himself in the character of trolling now as opposed to losing himself in the amazing businessman that he always has been." – Rory, [26:18]
• On viral nostalgia vs. “quality”:
  • "Good music is timeless...something could be nostalgic, but it’s still a bad song." – Damaris, [47:24]
• On AI and the threat to Black music:
  • "It’s just another…we’ve seen this in history before…you got this white man over here stealing from Black artists…" – Kyle Dion, [121:00]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:15] – Father’s Day and family routines
• [06:06] – Beards, grays, and male grooming standards
• [09:21] – Barber enhancements and hairline culture
• [13:02] – Jay-Z’s hair, Beyoncé & capitalist marketing debates
• [20:53] – Dame Dash’s recent behavior and legacy
• [43:54] – Song of the Summer arguments
• [68:20] – Tributes to Tay Keith and Clive Davis
• [76:23] – The "blackest" names and ethnic stereotypes
• [99:04] – Deluxe albums, streaming and Kyle Dion’s insights
• [113:07] – SZA’s views on AI abuse in music
• [127:32] – Can imperfection save artists from AI?
• [136:22] – Declining standards in live performance

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Tone and Style

The episode balances irreverent banter and self-deprecating humor with moments of sincere reflection and cultural critique. There’s a nostalgic vibe threaded with real frustration over the internet era’s impact on music, identity, and human connection, but the crew never lets things get too heavy thanks to their constant jokes and running gags.

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This summary is structured to be both comprehensive and inviting for anyone who hasn't listened. It captures the best exchanges, themes, and laughs, along with attributions and timestamps, to make it easy to revisit or discuss further.

Transcript

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

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[Damaris]

No warrior now?

[Rory]

No doctor. Well, now I'm self conscious of how we start episodes.

[Damaris]

You should.

[Rory]

Thanks.

[Damaris]

You're welcome.

[Mall]

Welcome back.

[Damaris]

Just chill, just vibe. Just get on here.

[Rory]

I don't know how to do that, man.

[Damaris]

Yo, what's poppin we back.

[Rory]

It's not in my caucus DNA to just, like, relax.

[Mall]

Gotta relax, man. Gotta relax.

[Rory]

You've seen us dance. We're very stiff. We don't know how to do that.

[Mall]

Well, we are back. Good to see everybody.

[Rory]

Yes. Happy.

[Mall]

Very, very chill. Very calm weekend.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Happy Father's Day to all of the fathers absolutely out there.

[Rory]

Let's clap for the fathers that are here.

[Mall]

The real fathers. Real fathers. Not the ones that just have kids. The real fathers.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mall]

Yes.

[Rory]

It seemed it was.

[Guest]

Actually.

[Rory]

I was in the city. It was kind of a calm Father's Day.

[Mall]

It was a very calm Father's Day. I was, like, moving around a little bit, and I was like, well, there's no traffic. It's no restaurant. You can walk right in. Well, Father's Day, you can't do that,

[Rory]

of course, because, I mean, if. If the father has the choice, because a lot of mothers will make Father's Day about themselves, but if a father has a choice, it's not to go to brunch.

[Mall]

No.

[Rory]

Like, no, I don't want to go pay for overpriced eggs and wait in line. No, that's a Mother's Day thing. Because they want to go out and be celebrated. A father wants to be left alone, so that's. That's why the streets are clear.

[Mall]

Or at the crib, little barbecue or something like that in the house. Yeah.

[Rory]

Something that I'm not going to have to pay for or wait in line for.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I saw Damaris as being a great, great daughter.

[Damaris]

Yeah. I'm the best.

[Rory]

She was on the grill. She was in the kitchen just doing things that women are supposed to be doing.

[Mall]

Did the grilling.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Grilling and chilling.

[Damaris]

Grilled some stuff. Cook some stuff or. I know you said fathers like being left alone, but my dad always wants to be with his kids on Father's Day, so that's.

[Rory]

I meant more to what Mo was saying, like, left alone as far as. Don't plan activities that I now have to do.

[Mall]

We could be at the house, like,

[Rory]

let's all kick it as a family and just.

[Colin Coward]

Just chill.

[Damaris]

Yeah. So he just. He just wanted to spend time with me. My older sister came over. We laid out on the grass and d. Feet into the earth. Grounded. Smoke some, smoke some. Well, they smoke. Smoke some weed. I made dirty martinis. Cooked. It was great. He really, really loved his Father's Day.

[Mall]

That's dope.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

You're such a great daughter, Damaris.

[Damaris]

I know. Thank you. That's something I really took pride in. You know, one day a year, it's all about him. Oh, and his birthday.

[Mall]

Just one day.

[Damaris]

One day.

[Mall]

One day.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

The rest of man that gave you

[Damaris]

life revolves around me every other day. Giving life mad easy, by the way.

[Mall]

Like, giving life is not mad easy. What are you talking about?

[Damaris]

Nut every day.

[Mall]

That don't mean giving life is.

[Rory]

No, making life is mad easy.

[Damaris]

Making life.

[Rory]

I watched what Kia went through on that table. That did not look easy.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah, no, but we talking about fathers. Nothing is easy. That take as easy as 1, 2, 3.

[Mall]

Nah, not really though. It depends.

[Damaris]

Nothing not easy.

[Mall]

No, I.

[Rory]

Nothing mad easy.

[Damaris]

Being a father is not easy. Like being dad is not easy, but like the.

[Jeff T]

The life.

[Damaris]

See, the grays, the life part is easy. You had them before Mara life.

[Rory]

No, they. They started really popping out when Amara was born. I had like one or two.

[Damaris]

Oh my God, it's mad of them now. Yeah, you old as fuck. I never saw that before.

[Tony Ayo]

I'm.

[Rory]

I'm telling you, that's what fatherhood does.

[Mall]

Nah, but the grays really show when you've been outside in the sun, though. You was outside? Yeah, because that's like your version of

[Rory]

a tan and true.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

When I do the just for men. I don't want any judgments. I don't care. I'm not going to hide it.

[Damaris]

You going to buy it in orange?

[Mall]

Why would you minute, though? No, you got to let. Nah, you can't do that.

[Rory]

I think salt and pepper looks cool. I don't know if ketchup and salt looks cool like, but it's like. It's like. I think the salt and pepper look men can get off and. And women find it very attractive. I don't know if it's the same way with redheads.

[Damaris]

Let me google redhead.

[Rory]

We look a little weird. That's all.

[Damaris]

Redhead. Men with gray.

[Rory]

And I've noticed every redhead that, like, looks like me, like Bill Burr. We all get the grays in like one single patch right here. And it looks weird. I'm not against just dying this. I'm really not.

[Colin Coward]

You.

[Mall]

You would just ferment it. You would. You would die.

[Rory]

Yeah. Is there other products? I mean, it's just for men. The only one.

[Mall]

I don't know. I've never.

[Rory]

I had to talk to my.

[Mall]

I've never.

[Damaris]

I don't really. I don't really like it either. You know, you could just not have the beard.

[Mall]

Cut the beard off.

[Rory]

I would. I would look like a pedophile.

[Mall]

Get the. Just for me.

[Colin Coward]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

If it's cut the beard off.

[Guest]

I don't see.

[Rory]

This is for everyone's sake.

[Mall]

You brought.

[Damaris]

What is up with, like, this thing where, like, beards have become, like, a necessity? Like, I miss back in the day when people were clean shaven in the face.

[Mall]

Like, yeah, when you're in your 20s. Yeah.

[Damaris]

No, even when you're your 30s and 40s, like, if you have a nice face, like, why do you need a beard?

[Mall]

I just think it just looks a little weird if you have, like, a full face of hair and then, like, you shave it all off. It's just a little weird.

[Damaris]

Like, if you. I mean, if your face. Car hit. Don't hit. Like, just say that.

[Rory]

But, like, no, I have great bone structure. I'm like, I look Max pretty well.

[Mall]

Like, I watch what he has great bone structure.

[Rory]

Is your word to you.

[Damaris]

Because I can't say it.

[Rory]

Making Peach's job harder. What's the clavicle that. That weirdo. Yeah, like, what he's trying to achieve. I. I naturally have. Like, if you go to my Instagram and look at my younger photos when I don't have a beard. This is chiseled, my friend. This is. Yeah, but I like my beard.

[Mall]

You got a chin like Jim Carrey. Me, myself, and Irene, when he went,

[Rory]

hank thought you had a weak chin. Yo, that movie is so funny. We don't talk about me, myself, and Irene enough. Yo, that movie is so funny.

[Mall]

Classic, man. That is a classic movie. Yo, man. Yeah, like that under that hair. You good, man.

[Rory]

No, I could pull off the no beard, but I like my beard.

[Mall]

Yeah, beard is cool.

[Damaris]

I mean, but I'm just saying, if it turns white, like, you really gonna dye that orange? Because what if you can't match the exact color?

[Rory]

I mean, we'll cross that bridge after my barber puts it in my beard.

[Mall]

Yeah, you got to get like a. Like a ombre.

[Colin Coward]

Ombre.

[Mall]

Funny as brand, like an orange and kind of mix it together.

[Damaris]

You need like, a. Like a orange gloss to go like.

[Mall]

You know you do. Mayo, ketchup. Yeah, mayo, ketchup.

[Rory]

Ketchup, Mayo special sauce at every spot.

[Damaris]

Yeah, you get that aioli color.

[Mall]

Yeah, you got to get the ao.

[Rory]

But I mean, all, like, hair growth, and all that comes from your mother's side, right? Isn't that what it is?

[Colin Coward]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Rory]

You guys have seen my mom. She doesn't dye her hair. That red is chilling. I have more grays than my mom. Do you really?

[Mall]

Wow.

[Rory]

Yeah. My mom doesn't dye her hair, and she has still Red hair?

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, maybe one or two. She'll pull out.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but it's not gray.

[Rory]

No.

[Mall]

I don't know. I can't do the Just for Men. I just. I can't do it.

[Damaris]

You don't get enhancements when you get your haircut? What enhancements?

[Mall]

What kind of enhancement are you talking about?

[Damaris]

Like, when. Get this. Oh, my God, the spray. Like, you know, when they. When they clean up the lines.

[Mall]

No, I will choke my barber with his clip a cord if you ever tried to do that.

[Rory]

Did they make Beijing in ginger?

[Damaris]

I'm sure they do.

[Rory]

Yeah. Getting the red Beijing would be.

[Mall]

That is crazy, bro.

[Damaris]

I was on a date with a man one time and some black started, like, running down his face. I was like, you got black stuff on your face. What is that? And then, like, my homegirl had to put me on, like, oh, girl. He probably had enhancements in his hair. Like, it was running down his face because it was hot.

[Mall]

Nah, never. I will never do no shit like that.

[Damaris]

You so lucky you got such a good hairline.

[Mall]

Yeah, I would never do that. Like, enhancements. I wouldn't even. Just from in my. My beard, I wouldn't even do that. Like, I'm not doing that.

[Rory]

As someone that has a blessed hairline and no grays. Like, you don't know what. What you do until it happens.

[Damaris]

I have a couple grays.

[Mall]

Yeah, I got grays.

[Damaris]

I definitely got just about damn near as many as you.

[Rory]

As compared to most. I'm actually have less grades than most people my age. I'm saying I can't speak for. For people that started graying and balding when they were 22 years old.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's. That's a different type of struggle. Going Bald in your 20s is crazy.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I know a couple.

[Rory]

No, it happens. So I really can't. I feel like I can't judge them because I don't know what that's. I could Never imagine being 23 and my hairline is back here. I wouldn't know what to do.

[Mall]

I don't know.

[Rory]

I may take some precautions and get some enhancements.

[Mall]

I know a lot of that is genetics, but I feel like, like, dudes didn't, like, they didn't wash and, like, condition their hair. They don't treat their scalps good.

[Rory]

A lot of it is hereditary, but, yes, if you don't take care of

[Mall]

your hair, I get it. A lot of it is genetics, but I just. I just be feeling like, yo, bro, you don't wash and you don't Scrub your scalp. You don't stimulate the follicles in your head.

[Jeff T]

You.

[Mall]

It's a lot of things. You wear that hat. When we.

[Damaris]

I was about to say it's that hat. It's that hat.

[Mall]

You play basketball in that hat.

[Damaris]

Like, rim of the hat.

[Jeff T]

Filthy.

[Mall]

Yeah. Like you do. I've watched you do everything in that hat. Like. Like fan.

[Rory]

We're in the pool. We went underwater.

[Mall]

Yeah. Like, fam. Like. It's a lot of that. I know it's genetics, but it's also a lot about lifestyle as well.

[Colin Coward]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Look, look, the lining of your hat.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

That's also happening to your scalp.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So, yeah, I hear you.

[Mall]

The salt. The salt. The salt rim.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

What is that?

[Rory]

That's what happens if you don't sweat

[Mall]

and it dries up.

[Rory]

That happens.

[Damaris]

I've never seen that shit in my life. I'm about to grow up.

[Rory]

That's disgusting. That's super normal with that.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's when you doing, like, I don't know what activities you've done in the hat where you sweat like that. Like, at that point, just take the hat off work.

[Damaris]

That's disgusting. I've never seen that before.

[Mall]

There goes Rory right there.

[Rory]

That's me.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Rory]

That's before I got the enhancements.

[Damaris]

You don't get enhancements.

[Rory]

No, I don't. I don't even know what an enhancement is. What do I.

[Damaris]

If I go ask Willis, like, when they doing your hairline? Like, you ever seen the Dominicans and they hairline be mad crisp?

[Rory]

Yes.

[Damaris]

It's because they put a little ruler.

[Rory]

I know. I've seen that happen at my barbershop, but I don't think they make it in ginger. I've never seen a ginger get that before.

[Mall]

Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen that either.

[Rory]

Like, I don't think Travis Kelsey is going to his barber, and maybe you

[Mall]

and, like, belly gang Cushington might change the. The market on that.

[Rory]

He probably knows where the ginger Beijing is.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, because he gets like a. He gets a, you know, shape up like the brothers.

[Damaris]

So they've been giving it to kids. Now I'll be seeing kids getting enhancements. You don't. You don't need.

[Mall]

But the barber license taking.

[Damaris]

A lot of barbers do it automatically for that.

[Rory]

Some people hairline giving other enhancements to their children, which I disagree with. But

[Mall]

are we going there? No, that's my favorite. I go there. I love going there.

[Rory]

I'm fine with the barber. Can we talk about the Other enhancements that they're doing to children.

[Mall]

We could go there if you want to go there. I didn't know.

[Rory]

We're not gonna go there. Let's stay in the hair world. Is it just Nicki Minaj fans or is the Internet really this pressed about Jay Z's hair?

[Mall]

Everything Jay Z these days is like, a topic.

[Rory]

Am I just in a Barb algorithm? Today it's the Internet, because the outrage and caring after Beyonce put out this seven minute video of how Hove took his locks out.

[Jeff T]

Mm.

[Rory]

I. I feel like we're really in the mood. Like the movie Idiocracy. Like, I cannot believe this is a topic today. It's a topic, but is it just barbs?

[Mall]

No.

[Rory]

Or is this, like, a topic with, like, sane human beings?

[Mall]

I feel. Well, sane is subjective, but I feel like it's a topic only because obviously it's, you know, two of the biggest figures that we have from our culture. Two of the biggest figures in entertainment. And it was a talking point because, again, you know, when the whole Roots festival happened and Jay came out with the Afro, a lot of people were speculating whether it was a wig, what happened to the wicks and things like that. Beyonce does have a hair care line now with Sacred. So I think they took this as an opportunity to kind of like, okay, you know, we're gonna show you that we use the product ourselves, and we're not just selling the product, we actually use it. And I think that this put to rest a lot of the questions that people were having regarding Jay's hair on stage that night. Like, they just documented the hair journey.

[Rory]

Yeah. Which, I mean, I think was a brilliant marketing tool. And I still don't understand how you guys are so shocked and outraged that Jay Z and Beyonce sell things. Um, that's.

[Damaris]

They said everything.

[Rory]

Look at them selling products.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I mean, they're. They're a businessman and a businesswoman.

[Damaris]

They said, everything is for content. Everything is for capitalism. Welcome to America.

[Rory]

It's only the Carters doing that. Speaking of, we're signing up for our patreon.com newroyal mall. We also have merch available as well. Shout out to Boost Mobile. But we're not those people.

[Mall]

We don't sell any.

[Rory]

What.

[Tony Ayo]

How.

[Rory]

How the fuck could Jay Z and Beyonce try to sell hair care products and put out a video? The fucking nerve of these.

[Mall]

We need hair care. Right? That's something that we need. We need entertainment. We need music.

[Tony Ayo]

Right.

[Mall]

They give us that.

[Damaris]

Mind you, everybody says that Sacred works. Like Sacred doesn't get like bad.

[Mall]

Have you used it yet?

[Damaris]

I use sacred regularly. I use the nourishing hair oil and I use the hair.

[Mall]

Do you like it?

[Damaris]

I love it.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Mall]

You see the difference in the I do.

[Damaris]

They have really good. Their deep conditioner is great with slip and this. I'm not paid for this. This is. I was not given free sacred products. I buy my sacred products and they expensive. I buy them, but they work.

[Mall]

They have like a good leave in moisturizer conditioner.

[Damaris]

Not they do. I'm sure, but I don't use that. I can only spe for what I use. And what I use is I need

[Rory]

a good leing Baskin lather.

[Mall]

Baskin la. They have a Baskin leather has a good leave in conditioner.

[Rory]

They do.

[Mall]

I need a good leave in after I wash my hair and I, you know, just let it dry.

[Damaris]

Try the do the do products.

[Rory]

The do D O and Baskin Lather as well.

[Mall]

D oux and Baskin lather and Baskin Baskin leather. I've tried. I've tried the. The conditioner. Okay.

[Rory]

Did you guys see the seven minute video that Beyonce put together?

[Mall]

I don't think I saw the full seven minutes, but I saw some clips of it, yes.

[Rory]

Wow, look at our attention span. You saw clips of a clip seven minutes?

[Mall]

Yeah. So like a two minute video of it?

[Colin Coward]

Well, yeah.

[Rory]

I mean, it started with Beyonce explaining why Jay even started to grow his hair out was because Blue was feeling a little insecure about hers. So he went and did that because they have the same hair texture and to show it that, you know, it's beautiful. Which I thought was great. Then discussing. I think it was a seven years he's had growing his hair out. Seven or eight years?

[Mall]

Yes. Maybe a little longer than that.

[Rory]

Beyonce was saying that Jay's father, his favorite team was the Sixers and always had an afro. So for Philly, he thought it'd be a good idea to pay tribute to his pops and do the fro Respect. Which the only barb comment I did actually laugh at was, nah, he's told us his pops left like 35 times.

[Damaris]

I saw that and I laugh. I saw that.

[Rory]

You can still honor your parent even if you have disagreements with them when they were here. That's still okay.

[Mall]

You can still choose to honor your parents.

[Rory]

Yes. I'm sure Jay is still not the biggest fan of his pops, but he has also discussed being at his funeral and things of that nature. So no, I didn't think it's crazy that he wanted to do that in Philly based off his. His family's lineage.

[Mall]

Yes.

[Rory]

But I don't know. Do you guys feel like this. They did this outside of the capitalistic portion of it, but to reply to everyone saying there's no way he took his locks out in that time. Yeah, I'm.

[Colin Coward]

Why?

[Rory]

I don't know any. I didn't know a lot of things

[Mall]

that covered a lot of bases. I think this video covered a lot of that. Like a lot of people that would, you know, again, they were on the side of, you know, did he cut his hair? Was it a wig? This whole time he's wearing a lace front. I thought the people thinking that Jay would ever put on the lace front wig for years and walk around with it was absolutely hilarious. But yeah, I mean, it's. Again, I think that it's. It ties in. It's a. It's a product that obviously, you know, Beyonce and you know, the Carter's own, but a product that they also use. A product that works. A product that is great for your hair, especially for our type of hair. So why not document it and. And show us that, you know, Jay, not only are they selling it, but they're using it is that it's actually a product that they use. So I don't think it's nothing wrong with that, man. If it's a great product and it works, you know, what's the problem?

[Rory]

Does he keep. I know we had this conversation already, but now that the hair has become such a talking piece and there is this video slash commercial slap lifestyle. Does he keep it?

[Mall]

The hair out the fro? I think he keeps it for a while. I think he keeps it.

[Rory]

Pause, pause. I thought Jay looked great with the cornrows.

[Damaris]

He looks adorable.

[Mall]

Adorable.

[Damaris]

He does.

[Rory]

Like, I don't know if that would really fit the Reasonable doubt blueprint thing that we were talking about with the dark Caesar, but I thought Jay looked. The braids look great.

[Mall]

Cornrows under the fitted.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Fire.

[Rory]

That's very 96 to 03ish. Yeah, I think the cornrows would be cool.

[Damaris]

God, can our favorite rapper please release some new music so people can stop talking about his fucking hair?

[Mall]

Like, I like the fact because if he released the music, they gonna say she is the hair. That's why he can't rap the same. It's the hair paying too much attention to the hair. He's focusing on too much moisturizer. The lyrics ain't landing the same. Like, you know, they gonna find a way to tie it all in.

[Rory]

You know that I saw that Jay also announced those two pop up shows. Can we find the dates for those? There's one in Dumbo and then one in downtown Manhattan.

[Damaris]

I didn't see that.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Oh my God. I don't never get to go nowhere good.

[Rory]

If only only we knew someone related.

[Damaris]

Nowhere.

[Rory]

I told Biggs, I'm your brother now. Manhattan and Brooklyn, June 25th. So two pop ups in one day is June 22nd. So that is this Thursday. So mall. Should we record early? What. What time should we meet? Are we gonna do both?

[Damaris]

That gonna be like the Knicks parade, bro. You might as well stay home.

[Mall]

I never even think about going to like this. Yeah, no, that, that never crosses my mind.

[Rory]

The pop up stuff is. It's. Yeah, it's a little too never even. It's gonna be hectic. I don't even care if you haven't a escort with security and you're on the list. It's still going to be a nightmare trying to get into that.

[Mall]

Yeah, I stay away from all of those types of events.

[Rory]

Yeah, no, I hear you. But I mean, I think that is cool that he's doing two, two pop ups in one day. I mean, he, he, he had to after cheap teeth came out.

[Kyle Dion]

Like,

[Rory]

because that's career ending, in my opinion. Like, you gotta.

[Jeff T]

I.

[Rory]

After I heard it, I was like, damn, is he even gonna show up to the Yankee Stadium shows? Like after being humiliated that way? Can you even show your face anymore? I need somebody because now I'm thinking is Cinnamon doo Doo. That's all I'm thinking about.

[Damaris]

I need to, I need someone to tell me if Dame is in the most respectful way just trolling us to hell because he likes the attention or if something is actually wrong because I don't know him personally. Because there's no way that this is serious. So that's why I'm confused. You can't have this much talent and knowledge of talent and do like this. You got to just be having fun and like being childish or something's wrong.

[Mall]

Yeah, I don't know, man. At this point I'm, you know, I don't know, like you. I don't know if it's trolling. I don't know if it's, you know, any type of seriousness to this. I think Dame is just doing what, you know, he wants to do. Anything that he feels like doing, he's doing it. I just don't see the point of it. I mean, I, that's more the side I'm on. Like, you can have fun and live life and, you know, do the things that you like to do. I just don't know why this would be one of those things that you decided to do. You know what I'm saying? Like, I just. It's just like this. It's like, why this. I just. I. I don't understand. It isn't an addiction.

[Damaris]

An addiction to attention?

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah.

[Mall]

I think. I think wanting attention is a part of it. I think that, you know, I think Dame understands that a lot of the times when he does something, you know, the virality of it, it's gonna be everywhere. It's gonna be clipped up everywhere. Everybody's gonna be posting it.

[Rory]

Dame doesn't need to do this for attention.

[Mall]

This. No, he doesn't need it.

[Rory]

Even if, let's say, hypothetically, because we. We don't know that.

[Jeff T]

I don't.

[Rory]

I don't know if Dame is addicted to attention. He doesn't need to do this to get attention.

[Mall]

He doesn't need to do this. No, he. He doesn't need to do this again. I just don't. You know, I don't see the point of it. Like, it's just pointless to me, and it's. It's embarrassing, honestly. It's like, you know, I get it. You want to do your thing and whatever you feel like doing, and, you know, I get all of that, but this is, like, cringe to watch. It's like, all right, man, I get it. You and Jay, obviously, are in a space where you will never be where you once were. I think we all know that

[Kyle Dion]

the

[Mall]

situation with him and Cam, you know, I think that's at a space now where they may never be where they once were. But at the same time, I don't think a lot of people even really care anymore. Like, I don't think people care if Cam and Dame are friends anymore. I don't think people care if Jay and Dame are friends anymore. I. I think that, you know, people are past that. Dame should be past it as well. And to be fair, you know, a lot of the times when Dame is talking about Jay, in certain interviews, it's people bringing Jay up, asking them questions.

[Rory]

Part of his story.

[Mall]

Yeah. So I get that he knows he's

[Damaris]

gonna be asked about that, though, because otherwise, why are they interviewing Dame Dash?

[Rory]

Well, I mean, there's other things to interview. Having such a significant part of your story be with a company, you started with another very famous person. Of course it's gonna get brought up,

[Damaris]

but people are not bringing Dame on to talk about just his past with J. He's had. Dame has done a million interviews. There's nothing else to interview Dame about that has not already been said. When people are bringing Dame on for interviews, it's to get a viral moment of him saying something cr.

[Rory]

Not to get, like, the real story

[Damaris]

or to get like his real in depth knowledge. He's been interviewed by a million people. What I'm saying is now, like, Reese, like, at this point, people are bringing you on for clickbait.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

There's nothing about it. But I think now at this point, I think Dame is a participant in that same strategy. You don't think that World Star, I don't even know what to call it was not for clickbait because even Dame on Cam Capone today said no one should take that seriously. He was on where Cam Capone.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

Which is a great YouTube platform. Shout out to Cam Kapone. He was like, no one should take it seriously. But also in the same breath, said it was a hit record and that Oschino made a hit record. And no disrespect to Oskino whatsoever. I actually didn't even mind Oskino's response over. Over the Drake beat. But Dame, you've made hit records before. Don't call in Oskino. Freestyle and cheap Teeth. Yo. We just thought everyone's asleep, so we decided to make a hit record.

[Damaris]

Yeah, you. You trolling.

[Rory]

Let me see the sound scan.

[Damaris]

Trolling.

[Rory]

He is trolling. But sometimes I think Dame and this is just outside looking in. Don't. I don't know. I think he's starting to get into that, like, Batman, Dark Knight theory about the Joker. Like, I think he's really starting to become the character. Even if. If he thinks he's trolling, I think he's can't even find the gray area in his brain.

[Mall]

Mm.

[Rory]

Because at one point he probably thought this was trolling, but while he was performing that, I think he believed that this was hot. Like, I think he's starting to believe the character that he's becoming with the trolling on the Internet.

[Jeff T]

Right.

[Rory]

And can't decipher the two things the way maybe he could have when he was younger and was playing, I mean, disrespectfully playing the media mogul that he was. But he even admitted, like, he would turn on and become the mogul when it was time to yell at people. Like, that was part of his strategy, which I thought was a good strategy for people that may have been fucking with his Company.

[Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

But he admitted that that was a character that he would turn on. I think it's the same thing here. But it's no longer the positive mogul that he was. It is now the troll. And he's starting to believe his own trolling, if that makes any sense. I think he's lost himself in the character of trolling now as opposed to losing himself in the amazing businessman that he always has been. And I'm still saying, I. I think that's the CEO country club that should look cool up in the Catskills. That's flying. That's. That's dope. And I'm not saying Dane doesn't have other companies and isn't a good businessman. I just think he's becoming a caricature of someone that he would pull aside and say, what are you doing? Yeah, the fuck are you doing? Because this isn't land. Like, what's this for? Like, when Jay replied to everyone on stage, it was a purpose. People have been talking about me for a decade. I'm about to reply to all you in one fucking minute. Tired of y' all talking. Here's my response.

[Mall]

But not only that.

[Rory]

I don't think Jay watched this and was like, damn, what am I gonna say? I think he watched this and went, yo, I was right. Thank God.

[Mall]

But not only that. Then you have your artist that is now chiming in on it. You know what I'm saying? That's when it's like, if it's just you.

[Rory]

Hip hop has always done that, though. Even like, I watch Platform. And he said, which I. I know to be true from everyone else that was around there when it was time to dis Nas. Yeah, everyone from state property, they didn't know Nas.

[Tony Ayo]

This is.

[Mall]

You're not. You're not comparing this. You're not comparing this

[Rory]

to Nikki Licky dissing Jay Z. I'm just saying it's not the first time people have taken artists back to.

[Mall]

To what I'm saying. What is this?

[Damaris]

I don't.

[Rory]

I don't. I don't know. I had secondhand embarrassment. And if you see the comments, it actually shows the amount of respect everyone has for Dame Dash and his career, because everyone is just shaking their head like, damn, I don't even like seeing this.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, it's. It's. It's sad.

[Rory]

It's not even people clown. It's people disappointed, but it's to the point. So much respect.

[Mall]

We don't want to. We don't even want to. We don't even care to see or hear any of this anymore. It's at that point now where it's like, all right, man, we get it. But it's like, we. We don't need the world star on the radar. Like, we don't need that.

[Damaris]

I just see that people are motivated by different things. And I just want to make this about Dame and life because there's no way the person that I came up with business wise, becomes who he becomes. And I'm okay doing this shit in public. Like, either I'm going to disappear for forever, or I'm going to be motivated to come back and do my best to, like, make a nigga respect me. Like, I don't. I don't know, maybe that's just my brain, but embarrassment motivates me. That is just like, nah, like, I'm cool being a clown.

[Rory]

One of my favorite Combat Jack episodes ever was the first Dame Dash 1. It's one of one of my favorite podcast episodes, period. In all of podcasting, I think that Dame, compared to the one that I'm looking at now, is a contradiction. Of everything that he said in that Combat Jack interview, Dame was the most grounded, most intelligent. I don't want to say non corny, but because Dame has always been such a director of taste, rightfully so, I can't see how that same person with that taste level that we all think is incredible could be okay with doing that.

[Mall]

Yeah, no, it's a lot.

[Rory]

A lot of this is just a lot of this I admired.

[Mall]

A lot of this goes against what Dame is about and has preached. It's not tasteful, it's not cool, it's not fly. It's not any of those things that Dame has sat back for years and did a great job at curating, you know, when it comes to being cool and. And fly and you know what I'm saying? Shit that was tasteful and shit creating something that was, you know, something that people enjoyed. Like, this is the total opposite of all of those things. So to see him doing it, to me, that's why I'm just like. While I get it, you're at a stage in your life where you just want to do what you want to do. It's still, you know, it has to be at a certain level of just, like, tastefulness and cool and like, none of this is any of that. So that's why I'm looking at it. Like, you know, I didn't even watch it. Like, you know, when you watch something that somebody that you know and you just like, I can't look at that, man. Cause I just.

[Rory]

I watched it twice because the first time I didn't believe it.

[Mall]

It's like secondhand embarrassment, you know what I'm saying? It's like, I can't watch Dame do that, man. I got too much, you know, love and respect for Dame to watch things like that now. I'll see, like, the first couple seconds of it and just laugh and turn it off. Like, all right, man, this is where you at. Like, I. I don't wanna. You know, it's just unfortunate because again, Dane was somebody that we always looked at that was just the curator of cool and you know what I'm saying? It's like, yeah, he was one of the older guys that we looked at that was just like, yo, he's. He's aging in a way where it's like, okay, like, you can age and still be cool and still have style and still, you know, have taste and things like that. And this is just like. This is like the embarrassing uncle at the cookout that's just like. He had too much corn liquor.

[Damaris]

Like, just like corn liquors.

[Rory]

Corn liquor is crazy.

[Mall]

You done got in the stash. Un. Got in the stash and got the moonshine. Yeah, he had the grill going crazy now, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's just like. It almost feels like that, man. It's like, come on, man. Like, you know what I'm saying? We got love and respect for Dame, so we don't want to. We don't want to see him go out like that. But yeah, I think it's at that point where he just don't. Dame was just like, it. He don't give a fuck, man. He's definitely in his. I don't give a fuck ever. 100. He's all the way.

[Rory]

Fine.

[Mall]

He's all the way in. Yeah, he's all the way.

[Rory]

That's what I'm saying. He's. He's the joker at this point.

[Mall]

He's all the way in his ledger

[Rory]

believing that he's the character, right?

[Mall]

Yes, like, 1,000%.

[Rory]

And don't. You don't realize that that's a movie. You're not that character off the screen.

[Mall]

How my man said in and. And what's out. One of our favorite movies with. With Ben Stiller.

[Jeff T]

Which one?

[Mall]

Tropic Thunder.

[Rory]

Oh, a dude playing a dude dressed as another dude.

[Mall]

Nah, nah, nah. Not even that one. Never go full retard. You never go full retard. You know that you never go all the way. You don't go all in on the. On the character. You don't do that because you can't come back. It's hard. It's hard to come back when it's over. It's hard to be like, nah, that was just a character I created. But you can't go all the way.

[Rory]

He did go. He went Simple Jack on that whole freestyle.

[Mall]

This is what I'm saying. You went all the way.

[Rory]

You Simple Jack.

[Mall]

You went all the way. Simple Dane, you all. You all in. And that's why it's just like, I can't. I can't watch that, man. It's just. It's embarrassing. And then, you know, I mean, listen,

[Rory]

I. I would love to. To do an episode with Dame if it was okay with certain people that I respect, and I would never disrespect them if they didn't want us to ever have him on here. But I still do admire Dame, and maybe there's a method to the madness that I'm not aware of, and that is something I would like to talk to him about, because I have that much respect for Dame Dash.

[Mall]

I'm the opposite. I want to talk. I want to talk to Dame off camera.

[Rory]

I can see. Well, I don't. You have a way longer.

[Mall]

I don't know.

[Rory]

You grew up with.

[Mall]

Yeah, I don't want to talk. I want to talk off camera.

[Colin Coward]

That.

[Rory]

That makes more sense. I understand.

[Mall]

What's up, man? Like you said. Cause maybe it's a method. Maybe it's something that we don't know, and it's just like, all right, once we get that part of it from it, it's like, okay, little more understanding there. I still think it could be done in a more tasteful way. I don't think you have to be on mic rapping and singing and dancing. I don't think you have to be doing that. You know what I mean? But, you know, I would like to have just a conversation with Dame off camera. It don't need to be on camera for me. Like, I don't need that.

[Rory]

Okay. How would you feel if I reached out to Dame myself and asked him to do cheap teeth on my Karma's Beautiful.

[Mall]

If that's what you wanna.

[Rory]

If that's my journey.

[Mall]

If that's your journey and that's what you see. You know what I mean? Like, that's what.

[Rory]

That's where you see the vision.

[Mall]

You know what I'm saying? You know, I'm never gonna step on your Ear. You could EP that. Yeah, you could EP that. If that's how you feeling. Listen, bro, you know what I'm saying? Just. Just years from now when we doing the doc, I'll sit down. Like, that was a terrible idea. I told him that was terrible back then.

[Rory]

No, but see, that was a two track with Worldstar. You know how musically you didn't really

[Mall]

get into the stems.

[Rory]

I would have. I'd bring a live band.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You want the stems for it? You want to go in there and like. Okay, I get it.

[Rory]

You heard the synth on Cheek Teeth.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah.

[Rory]

That needs to be live. Yeah, they should have.

[Mall]

They should have turned that up. That part needed to be turned up a little bit more. But, yeah, man, I don't know. Again, I still have a sense of, you know, love and respect for Dame, but again, I don't want to see him doing shit like this, though. I just don't want to see that.

[Rory]

I know you would never speak about it or even admit that, you know, but I would love to see the family group chat on days like this. Just for the last. Nothing malicious. I. Just for the last. That's all.

[Mall]

Yeah, it was. It was. It was very interesting, to say the least. It was a lot of. Oh, okay. All right. Yeah, all right, cool.

[Rory]

I guess I just, as a fan, expected everyone to age the way Biggs is, because that's how I viewed. No, everybody from that era. No Biggs as cool as Biggs. And like, how Biggs is aging right now.

[Mall]

Biggs has always shied away from attention and for sure, you know, he never wanted his notoriety. He didn't care about that. He was mostly more so just, you know, behind the scenes. He always wanted to play that role.

[Rory]

But I'm saying ageing, I thought everyone would go.

[Mall]

He stepped out in front of the camera a lot later on, you know, like, you know, recently, as of, you know, a few years ago, he's done a lot of.

[Rory]

Well, I mean, coming out of jail, he was launching new companies like, you gotta start promoting.

[Mall]

So he d knowed that. But that was the first time in a long time that a lot of people have even heard him really speak for a lengthy period of time and definitely do interviews and shit like that, but not Biggs don't care about that type of shit. He's definitely the ghost in the shadow. He'd rather play that role.

[Rory]

Yeah. Oh, and happy Father's Day to Biggs as well.

[Damaris]

Absolutely no warrior now.

[Rory]

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[Rory]

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[Tony Ayo]

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[Rory]

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[Rory]

But while we're here, Damaris always adds this every episode. I don't know how many more times I can apologize.

[Damaris]

You never apologized.

[Rory]

Apologize.

[Damaris]

You never apologize.

[Mall]

What was the apology? What happened?

[Rory]

What did I do to young Young Miami?

[Mall]

Oh, we apologizing to Young Miami for spin that. Why would you apologize?

[Damaris]

Because you did your you did your little sarcastic thing that you do like. Yeah. Nah, it's the hit like, yo, you think Young Miami gonna win a Grammy like that? That little sarcastic that you do?

[Rory]

Respectfully, I think you misunderstood what Maul and I were talking about. We were not saying that that song wasn't good. We were laughing at Joe and Jada.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Not the song. And we love Jada. Love and respect. But I'm sure Jada's laughed at us before. It's okay.

[Damaris]

You're laughing at. If it was a song that you thought was fire and they were reacting like that, you would have not laughed at them. That was the point of.

[Rory]

I was not expecting Joe and Jada to react to the record the way that they reacted. So if anything, maybe I owe an apology to Joe and Jada, not to Young Miami, because I. I've never said the song was bad. It's clearly a hit, but very catchy.

[Mall]

We said that.

[Damaris]

You said that more or he did not.

[Rory]

If. All right, four years ago, if. If Sexy Red came in here and played us Booty Hole Brown and Maul was standing on the. On the couches when she played it. Am I allowed to laugh at more?

[Damaris]

They did not stand on the couches. They just sat up there and bobbed their head like we do to music that we think is fire every day and trash. Okay, yes, sure, we've done it to music we think is trash, too, but we do that. We do that to music we think is fire every day. But y' all don't say anything. But it was a thing. Because you didn't like. You didn't agree that the song was fire. That's why it was such a thing that they were just sitting up there nodding their head to the song.

[Rory]

I've never even seen Jada smile like that when Styles performs.

[Guest]

Hi.

[Rory]

Like, I've never seen. I've never seen Jada ear to ear. The way. Yes. We were laughing at that.

[Damaris]

He's just sitting there bobbing his head regular. This is. It's. This is. But this. We ain't gonna get on this mic and be disingenuous. We're not gonna do that.

[Colin Coward]

Why?

[Damaris]

We know y' all thought this. So you thought the song was trash. The fact that they were bobbing to it. The fact that they were bobbing to it like that. They bob the music all the time.

[Mall]

The fact that they were Bob Young Miami good. Like, you're not gonna be sh. Young Miami ain't gonna be in the studio looking like that. We gonna like. Nah, that's trash. No doing that. Everybody gonna do every. Gonna do the same thing. Like, nah.

[Kyle Dion]

That hard.

[Damaris]

Okay. If we change this to an apology to Joe and Jada. They heard. They heard the potential for the song.

[Rory]

They did.

[Damaris]

And they were right.

[Rory]

Both hitmakers.

[Damaris]

And they were. And they were right. Because of Song of the Summer.

[Rory]

No one said it was a bad song.

[Damaris]

It's officially song of the summer. It is.

[Mall]

This is the song of the summer.

[Jeff T]

Yes.

[Rory]

That bag, I think is. Is probably.

[Damaris]

As a person who's outside no going crazy. That is the song of the summer. I've been to multiple parties. The loudest reaction comes from that song. From women and men alike. When you have a song of the summer that the women and the men scream to the top of their lungs. It was holding up goyard bags in the party I was at.

[Rory]

Well, that's a. That's a large part.

[Mall]

What type of party were you at?

[Damaris]

I was at a. I was a regular hip hop party. Had like, the goyard, like, side. Side bags full of money, and we're holding them up like it's. This is the song.

[Mall]

That's the party I don't want to be at. But I believe you.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that's the song of the summer.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Damaris]

I thought it was gonna be shebang for a while too. And Shebang does go off. But that song, not Janice. The way the sing Janice, shut the up to me one more time. Which one is that? Which. How does the course go?

[Mall]

Beep beep, baby.

[Damaris]

Yeah, it goes off. No, all of the Drake's whole album goes off. It's not about that. I'm talking about the one that everybody in the establishment scre is Is spin that. I'm telling you, it's the song of the summer. The way the Knicks respond to it is the way everybody responds to it outside.

[Rory]

You know, we agree with you.

[Damaris]

No, nobody said you.

[Mall]

I said it was catchy as soon as I heard it.

[Rory]

It's a great record. Yeah. It's between that shebang Janice and Cheap Teeth.

[Mall]

That's.

[Rory]

Those are the four for the summer.

[Mall]

Cheap Teeth. It's catching steam out there. It's catching.

[Rory]

It's a slow burn.

[Mall]

Yeah, it's a slow burn. Cheap Teef is a slow burn. It's going. It's going to catch steam, though.

[Rory]

Wait till it hits FIFA.

[Mall]

Yeah. Fourth of July. Oh, God. Watch what it does on the 4th.

[Rory]

That's what they was waiting on.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah. The Fourth of July when everybody's outside.

[Damaris]

My point in bringing that up is, do you think that reception changes the way that people hear a song. Because I. Some people can hear a song and be like, I don't like that song. But then when they said it was

[Mall]

very catchy, as soon as I heard it.

[Damaris]

Yeah, you did. But a lot of people. A lot of people made fun of Miami and said that it was a bad song. And in the moment, it became like, a hit. It's climbing up the charts. It's like it's her first top 40 song, by the way.

[Rory]

People can hate a hit. I just want to make, like.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah, no, for sure.

[Damaris]

But what I'm saying is I. People can change. I see people change their reception on how good a song is when it starts to become a hit.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Do you. Have you ever done that? Do you think that you do that as well?

[Rory]

Oh, I mean, before streaming, when you lived on the radio, there's been plenty of songs that ended up being hits that. I'm not saying they. They programmed it into my brain, but.

[Colin Coward]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Me and you have an argument about Taffy at the Hookah Lounge. And I told you, Happy Taffy is a horrible song. I don't care how. How famous it is.

[Mall]

I told y' all that with that Jello Ball record that y' all thought was incredible.

[Damaris]

I still think that song.

[Mall]

That was.

[Rory]

I like that song.

[Damaris]

I still like that.

[Mall]

That is garbage. That was gobbled up.

[Rory]

I think the Glorilla shit was just up a. Another terrible version of that. But, yeah, that first record was good.

[Mall]

That was trash.

[Rory]

But as I mean, hits can be trash.

[Mall]

Like 100

[Rory]

in the hookah spot. Like, if somebody said yes. Musically, Laffy Taffy is not a. It's not all about the Benjamins.

[Damaris]

It's a horrible.

[Rory]

But the nostalgic part of it, the age I was when it came out, the memories and moments I had with that record, it makes it a good song to me. It's not a good song, though. Like, if you Hear that in 2026, you're like, wait, this is what the. I was listening to.

[Damaris]

But that was. And that was my point. Good music is timeless. Like, something could be nostalgic, but it's still a bad song. It was a bad song when it came out. It's a bad song now, but it felt good then.

[Mall]

What song you talking about for you guys?

[Damaris]

Laffy Taffy. I was a kid, and I knew that song was bad.

[Mall]

Well, that era of music and that era of fashion, that was just a weird era for us. The fashion.

[Damaris]

The one thing I want to erase off the history Books. Like when my mom. When our kids come to like, mom, this is what y' all was doing. I'm like, just forget that, baby.

[Mall]

Yeah. That moment was. We would look back at that, like just the fashion, the music around that time, 2005, 2004, 6. Like those years right in there, it was. We was just trying to find the next wave, I think.

[Rory]

But there was even into 09, when you get into the Ron Brown stuff. Yes, in retrospect, it was. At the time, I thought it was bad. But to act like I don't have so many Fond Memories in 2009 of a whole web star set of those songs, I would be lying.

[Damaris]

You can have a fine.

[Rory]

You'll find footage of me dancing to it. So I can't say it's. I hated it.

[Mall]

No, that's that. But that's every. That's every. To me, that's every error. Because I go back and look at a lot of movies that I loved in the 80s now, some of the worst movies ever.

[Rory]

Go watch Independence Day with 2026 brain.

[Mall]

So it's always it. It happens.

[Damaris]

But I think that that's different. Independence Day is still good, by the way.

[Rory]

I think I. I think it is. But someone that didn't live that time to watch it would look at. This is the worst.

[Damaris]

Movies and music are different because I think that music has the ability to be timeless. Whereas with movies, the script can be timeless, but the camera work keeps getting better and better. So like, you can watch even an animated film. You go back and watch an old animated film, you like, God damn, look like they was drawing this with colored pencils. Like it's just evolves over time with music.

[Mall]

I don't think that it's like the sandlot is timeless.

[Rory]

Yeah, what are we talking? How are we not timeless?

[Mall]

The sandlot is timeless.

[Damaris]

When I'm. Because the nostalgia and the script of the movie, like I said, can be timeless. But if the same way when I went to go watch the Sopranos and you was like, it's not gonna hit the same. No, it's not. Because not only is the timing different, the way was shot and recorded is completely different with music. Music is music. Like music can be timeless, but you go back and watch an old movie and it's like it looked like they recorded this on somebo.

[Mall]

No, but movies can be timeless too, though.

[Rory]

And what do we as far as camera work? People to this day are still trying to bite everything Scorsese does.

[Mall]

Yeah, okay.

[Damaris]

I think you understand my point.

[Rory]

But okay, Even. All right, we'll go animation. Let's not even go real people. Is Toy Story not timeless for sure right now? Amara would watch Toy Story and enjoy it.

[Damaris]

Yes, but I'm comparing and comparing it to movies. I've made my point. If you don't understand it, you don't understand.

[Rory]

No, I'm trying to understand it.

[Damaris]

My. My point is you can you. When it comes to film making, when it comes to the quality of cameras, when it comes to the way are shot, things have changed over time. Like you can make. You can go and make an old movie that was already done. You can make it better to this day by filming it on a camera. On the cameras that they film Game of Thrones music, though.

[Colin Coward]

Can you?

[Mall]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Damaris]

How? Outside of making it clearer, like make it EQ and clearer.

[Kyle Dion]

Just.

[Mall]

Just the, the. Just the skill set of the artists these days, just the technology with recording music and mixing music, there's a lot different.

[Damaris]

The only thing I can think is the mix being different. That's the only thing I can think.

[Rory]

I wouldn't want Casino to be shot on Game of Thrones cameras. Like, that's where I guess I'm not trying to purposely be obtuse. I just don't get your point in that regard. I wouldn't want a lot of the timeless movies that we watch to be shot on the technology we have now. Because even with some of the TV shows like Go with with the Power book series, like, I like Raising Canon because they shot it in that film grade that they shot it in. If they shot it with real cameras, it looks kind of cheesy. I prefer when. Why Snowfall to me is so good is because they shoot it on the grainy with the new cameras. If they shot Snowfall the way they shoot 2B movies with those, even though 2B movies they claim are cheap, those are the highest grade cameras you could use. If you shoot it that way, it looks cheap to me.

[Mall]

I mean, it depends on.

[Rory]

It looks cheap to me.

[Damaris]

Well, it looks. It doesn't fit the time. Because if you're talking.

[Rory]

All of the shows you just talked

[Damaris]

about are shows that happened in the past. So if you want to film them, you have to film them the way that cameras look looked in the past.

[Rory]

So that's why I'm saying things are timeless because you're trying to capture that time based off what we've know and love with timeless movies like a casino and Goodfellas. Let's shoot Raising Canaan is in the 80s. Not like let's shoot it that way

[Damaris]

that leans into nostalgia.

[Guest]

My.

[Damaris]

Only my.

[Rory]

But that's what I was saying. Nostalgia. That's why Laffy Taffy is a terrible song. But nostalgia was my original point.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but nostalgia doesn't make something good. Your memories that are attached to it make something good. Nostalgia doesn't make something good. Does that make sense? The same way that Mall hates what movie is that? One of the. That we say is a classic. He's like. He hates it. What movie is that?

[Rory]

Scarface.

[Damaris]

Scarface. Nostalgia.

[Mall]

Terrible.

[Damaris]

You know what I'm saying? Like, nostalgia. It doesn't. It doesn't make the movie better. It's your memories that are attached to it. The time that is attached to it. But the product is what the product is.

[Mall]

Baby Boy might be better than Scarface.

[Damaris]

You hate Scarface, bro.

[Mall]

Yo, Scar, I mean, I get it. I get the nostalgia of it. But, like, you look at Scarface like,

[Rory]

what's a better scene? The chainsaw in the. The bathtub or Tyrese screaming in the womb. Come on. And Baby Boy is a classic.

[Damaris]

$40?

[Mall]

Yeah, baby boy is a classic.

[Damaris]

But Baby Boy is so quotable.

[Mall]

You said so. What?

[Damaris]

Quotable.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.

[Damaris]

But that's another movie. Was Baby Boy a good movie or is it. Were we just forced to watch it on BET So much that we remember every word?

[Mall]

That's a good movie.

[Guest]

Movie.

[Mall]

That's a good movie.

[Rory]

Okay, I guess the. The argument is, can things be shitty and good? I think they can for sure.

[Damaris]

Can things be shitty and interesting?

[Mall]

Everything could be shitty and good.

[Damaris]

Shitty and entertaining.

[Mall]

Your relationship could be shitty and good. With your significant marriage. Yeah. You could have a shitty good relationship.

[Rory]

Like, all right, I'm not saying Friday is shitty whatsoever, but if you look at the production value between Friday after next and Friday. Oh, yeah. Drastically different budget.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

What's better Friday?

[Mall]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Rory]

I love Friday. I think all three are amazing. But I'm just saying, as far as. Even when you get a bigger budget, probably a better production crew, it still doesn't change the magic you had when you were making something that was less, like, with less money. Yeah, there's magic in that.

[Damaris]

Even.

[Rory]

It could be shitty, but at that time, that's what worked.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And it's ingrained in our brains. In 15 years, when I show Friday tomorrow am I. Do I think she's gonna sit there and be like, this is as great as you think it is.

[Mall]

Probably not a Christmas story, though. That gonna look like a Christmas story.

[Rory]

That Gonna look like a Charlie.

[Mall]

Yeah, that.

[Rory]

But there's like. But I still feel like with movies. When my dad showed me Animal House. What year did Animal house come up?

[Mall]

83, 24 hours. Born well before I was 78.

[Rory]

78.

[Mall]

Well, I remember seeing it in fucking 83. I think the first time I saw

[Rory]

84, maybe I watched it probably before I was a teenager. Cause my pops was that type of father. But it still checked out. Like, I loved it.

[Mall]

Yeah, those movies like that. It don't matter how old you are. You go back and look at those movies. Like, nah, this shit was funny.

[Kyle Dion]

Hilarious.

[Mall]

Yeah. Great movie.

[Damaris]

Cause I think comedy is comedy, like, no matter what. Except for. I think that there are some types of comedy just, like music that are, like a fad. And I kind of want it to die. Like Will Ferrell's Lane of comed. So happy it's dying. And people are like, why is Scary Movie not selling? Because it's that. That slapstick humor is just. It's not timeless humor.

[Rory]

No, I think with the.

[Mall]

Have y' all seen the new Scary Movie?

[Damaris]

No, I want to.

[Mall]

I want to go.

[Rory]

No, I'm. I'm gonna see it, though, again, because of nostalgia. I think with the Wayans brothers, it was just too much of it. Like, Scary Movie. The first one was a classic. And don't drink Juice in the Hood. Like, classic, classic.

[Damaris]

This.

[Rory]

They just kept doing it, and it was like, we have enough of this.

[Damaris]

The second scary Movie.

[Rory]

Too much of the same.

[Damaris]

The second scary movie is Scary Movie.

[Rory]

I like Scary Movie, too. I can't remember the third one.

[Damaris]

Scary Movie 2 is the best scary movie. Scary Movie 3 is the one that was focused on the ring. They had the cornfields. They had Shorty Sydney. Three was funny, too. The best one is two. I think three is the second.

[Rory]

Two is the one. This is five, right?

[Damaris]

Yes, two is the one.

[Rory]

Two is by far the best.

[Mall]

This is six. Jesus.

[Rory]

Okay. I checked out after three.

[Damaris]

I checked out after three. I did not see four and five.

[Rory]

But again, it's too much of. Then they did dance movie. Then they, like. They. They. I get why they did it. Like, get it how you live. If I have a cult classic of this style, I'm gonna keep doing it.

[Mall]

65% popcorn meter.

[Rory]

That's. That's what you. Basically, I'm just.

[Mall]

Just reading it. 23% tomato ometer.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that is ass.

[Rory]

What don't you like about Will Ferrell movies?

[Damaris]

Oh, I hate Will Ferrell's brand of funny.

[Rory]

Nah, you think Step Brothers.

[Damaris]

I hate slapstick humor. I think Step Brothers is slapstick Watchable. Yes. Step Brothers is hilarious, goofy, overly stupid, white frat boy humor. I don't think that it's funny. I don't.

[Rory]

I would say Scary Movie is more slapstick than any Will Ferrell movie at

[Damaris]

all, but I just agree that scary move. I brought up Scary Movie in comparison to Will Ferrell because I think it's all the same type of humor. It's not that funny.

[Rory]

Oh, I disagree there.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I. I don't think Tyler.

[Rory]

Tyler Digger Nights isn't funny.

[Damaris]

I don't think I've seen Tyler Dana Nights.

[Rory]

He's a race car driver.

[Mall]

You got to see the classic. You don't know the classics.

[Jeff T]

Will Forever.

[Rory]

I think

[Damaris]

I really dislike Will Ferrell, but Step Brothers, y' all act like it's the greatest movie in the world. And it's not that it's not funny.

[Rory]

It's very funny. Anchorman is hilarious.

[Damaris]

It's not.

[Colin Coward]

The other.

[Rory]

The Other Guys is a classic.

[Mall]

You're not with Elf.

[Damaris]

It's just.

[Rory]

No, Blades of Glory is hilarious.

[Damaris]

It's just. It's not my brand of humor. I don't like.

[Rory]

The Roxbury is very slapstick. You think old, Old school.

[Mall]

The campaign is hilarious. We're not doing that.

[Damaris]

I think I laughed at the campaign.

[Rory]

It used to be funny until it became a reality. The campaign was super funny when it came out, and then we started living it, and it's not funny anymore.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I think I laughed at the campaign.

[Rory]

Semi Pro is. Come on, man. Will Ferre Pro is classic.

[Mall]

That's a classic.

[Damaris]

That.

[Rory]

That dude kicking and screaming is hilarious.

[Damaris]

It's not for me.

[Rory]

Did you like the Austin Powers series?

[Damaris]

The Austin Power series? I did when I was a child. Yes.

[Guest]

Go.

[Rory]

Go back to it. Me and my dad rewatched Austin Powers after taking, like, 20 years off stuff. It still checks. It's some of the best comedy writing ever.

[Mall]

Awesome Powers.

[Rory]

But I think we. Because that, again, that caricature of, like, Austin Powers became like its own joke. Like, I even hated when Hov did the hook on Blueprint 2 with the Austin Powers impression. It became so corny because everyone was doing that. I think we forget how genius that series is.

[Mall]

Nice.

[Damaris]

I used to watch a lot of awesome Powers. Like, I used to be obsessed. Like, I used to quote the one with Beyonce. Like, when I was a kid, that was all we watched. Which is kind of.

[Rory]

Three of them are classics to me.

[Damaris]

Kind of slapstick humor. But not as I'm Sorry. It's not as bad as Will Ferrell. I. I can't. I can't get jiggy with that. He irritates me. I can't.

[Mall]

That's crazy.

[Damaris]

It could. Listen, hey, I like comedy. That's comedy. But being under the radar as radar is comedy. You got to think about whether it was a joke or not. That's the type of comedy that I like.

[Mall]

You like to think in your comedy.

[Damaris]

Like, I like to.

[Mall]

I like, I just want to laugh, but even I'm like, oh, I get it.

[Damaris]

But overly silly doesn't make me laugh. Like, I like. You know what I'm saying? Like, I like underhanded comedy.

[Rory]

Walking around with. With a samurai sword and having Randy Jackson sign it is hilarious to me. I don't like any way that's hilarious

[Damaris]

to me, but I think that's a boy. Boys tend to like, like comedy like that. Like, especially like when I was growing up, young boys were obsessed with like, Borat and all of that. Like, that was just like the funniest.

[Rory]

Hold on. Some of the most intellectual comedy you could think of. Classic.

[Damaris]

I think it's some. I think it's a. Wait.

[Rory]

Borat is not intellectual.

[Damaris]

Comedy is intellectual comedy. But it also has. It also has slapstick.

[Rory]

Of course, so does Austin Powers with Fat Bastard taking a. Yes, it has slapstick stuff in there. But that was so much funny political stuff too. Of. Of Belgium versus London. Like, there's undercover comedy.

[Mall]

Classic.

[Damaris]

Big Borat was, I think, like, I remember when I was younger, people thought that was the funniest movie on earth.

[Mall]

Yo, boy, still feel that way?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

When did Borat come out?

[Damaris]

That was like a big thing we did.

[Mall]

Bora come up.

[Rory]

Oh, or me.

[Colin Coward]

Me.

[Mall]

Damon Biggs went to see that together.

[Rory]

06 me.

[Mall]

Damon Biggs would see that.

[Rory]

Look who you had the movies with.

[Mall]

Yeah, we went to go see that together. And bro, when I tell you we went to a small. It was a small theater.

[Rory]

Can someone make an animation of this? By the way?

[Mall]

I swear to God, there was a small theater in the East Village somewhere. One of those small theaters. It maybe was no more than maybe 30 seats inside the theater. Bro, when I tell you. We could not stop laughing at that shit from the beginning to the end. We was all in there literally crying class. That's a. Borat is a classic.

[Damaris]

Borat is a classic movie. I gotta go back and re watch it as an adult. I haven't watched it in a long time.

[Rory]

And we can agree that's intellectual comedy, right?

[Mall]

No.

[Damaris]

Intellectual Comedy in it, for sure.

[Rory]

The entire concept of the movie, of exposing how Americans think is.

[Guest]

Is.

[Damaris]

Yes. My point in bringing up Borat is when I was younger, boys all tend to like the same type of comedy movie. Like, that was a thing.

[Rory]

That's why I said the Borat impression is funny.

[Damaris]

But, like, yeah, that's why I was like, as a girl. Like, I think I was just a girl. That. That is just. Borat is funny, but the rest of them ones I name, it's just like,

[Rory]

I. Yo, the stars that had to align for him to pull that shit off, bro. How do you end up. And it's all actually real. Get picked up by three frat guys in a Winnebago and you're going to go see Pamela Anderson and put on the sex tape as if that's your wife, and they have to break it to you. Like, how do the stars align for that?

[Mall]

He got a new movie out on. I want to say it's Netflix.

[Rory]

Borat, too, was. Was great, too.

[Mall]

It's a new movie on Netflix. What's the name of it? I started it the other night, but I think the game was on.

[Rory]

All his characters are. He's a genius.

[Mall]

Ladies first.

[Rory]

The Ali G show. I watched before. Yeah. Like, yeah, when I was young, like, I used to sneak to watch the Ali G Show. All his characters. Yo. When he was. Who's the gay one? I. I don't think I ever watched when he did the full movie, but it was a character. He had Bruno.

[Tony Ayo]

Bruno.

[Rory]

He went to, like, when I. I

[Mall]

must have been in high school before.

[Rory]

Bruno was a movie. He went to an Alabama football game as Bruno. It was like, where the cheerleaders were.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah.

[Rory]

He went to a. A rodeo as Borat to sing the national anthem and said, we support your war of terror. Yo, he does not get enough credit as a comedian, bro.

[Mall]

Nah. He got some classic movies. Sasha. Sasha Cohen has some classic movies for sure. Without a doubt.

[Rory]

And he's the only one that could get a lot of the Jewish jokes off. Because he's Jewish.

[Mall]

His Gaby.

[Rory]

Oh, his God.

[Mall]

He adopted her. That's what they call it. A Gaby. Oh, my.

[Rory]

Who called.

[Mall]

Who's never heard Gaby.

[Rory]

Gaby is nuts. We shouldn't. We shouldn't say that.

[Mall]

I feel like, you know, Gaby has to be, like, derogatory. Bruno's Gaby. Oh, it's the thing. Gaby is.

[Damaris]

It's from. It's from Bruno.

[Rory]

I have to watch the. I. I watched the Bruno sketches. I need to see the movie? I don't think I've seen the movie.

[Mall]

You've never seen Bruno the movie?

[Rory]

I don't think so.

[Mall]

There's no way you can see Bruno.

[Rory]

What year come out? 09.

[Guest]

You.

[Mall]

You've seen Bruno?

[Colin Coward]

I.

[Rory]

No, I remember when he. When he had his show, he would. That character existed. That's what I'm saying. Like the Alabama football. I don't know if I saw. Maybe I did. Gaby is nuts.

[Mall]

Gaby is hilarious. And he was a black. A black Gaby. He was on Jerry Springer. No Warrior.

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[Mall]

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[Kyle Dion]

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[Rory]

We definitely want to give a rest in peace to the amazing producer Tay Keith. Prayers to his. His loved ones, people I, I love and care for. We're very close to him. So I already know the impact that the last few days has had had with his passing. So I, I do want to acknowledge that, you know, we, we give some prayers and condolences to. To everyone that was impacted by Taekeek

[Damaris]

passing away, which is all of us. Like outside of his family and friends, which is all of us. I don't think there's ever been a time in the music industry when someone died and I was like, oh, music is about to change immediately. Like we've buried older artists and, and things like that and yes, we've missed. It's different when somebody is right because they worked with so many different artists. All of hip hop is about to change. Like Take he ran hip hop. All of hip hop is about to change. I mean his, it's insane.

[Kyle Dion]

His.

[Rory]

His sound was very much a signature to what current music is. Yeah, for sure.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Shit. He brought, he brought back a lot of drums that, that I loved that were in hip hop that had disappeared for a fucking in 15 years. And take, he brought that 808 and that bounce and snare back in a way that you know 10 billboard records like, I mean when you knew his drop came on, you knew you. There was no way you were not gonna like the beat.

[Mall]

Yeah. I mean aside from his obviously his musical talent and abilities just you know, to. At 29 years old, so young to have so much life left to live, which is just sad and. And tragic. So yeah, I mean, you know, rest in peace. Take Heath prayers and condolences to his family, his friends, anyone that had, you know, any love. Love for him. I know this is a very tough time because again, 29 years old, it's way too young to be losing anybody. And again, you know, it's just a tragic, tragic thing.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah. And I mean they haven't given much details about his, his death so obviously we'll leave that part alone until the family wants to speak about everything. But yeah, I don't know the stats of musicians that passed. I know there was that the 27th law of Jimmy, Janice, job, that whole thing. But I don't know, I feel like our generation within the last 10 to 15 years is. It's been super tragic, whether it be violence, drugs, suicide. Like, it's, it's. It's been super unfortunate.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And I know it's not everyone's going through their own thing, so it's not everyone's responsibility to micromanage everyone else's feelings or what they're going through. But when you are in this business, it can drive you to certain things that the average person may not deal with. So you do need to speak to the people you're closest with when they're at this level of success. I mean, as often as you can. It's something that. It may not change anything, to be quite honest, but it's important to check on people. And I know we say that every time someone dies, and I don't think anyone should feel guilty about it, that they could have changed anything, but it is important to check on people 1,000%.

[Mall]

1,000%. Especially, you know, young people. And, you know, it's just a tough time for a lot of people, but young people these days seem to be having a very tough time.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's a lot. And granted, shit, you know, us being best friends. I'm one of those people that sometimes when I'm going through something, you'll check on me and I'll be like, I'm fine.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But I. I think at this point, even if it's annoying with what you're saying more with young people, maybe we need to be a little bit more nosy with certain people that say everything is fine.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Because I'm one of those people that shut down too. And I get if you don't want to overstep with. With somebody, but that. That's something. I think we need to take extra precaution in 2026 with the people around us.

[Damaris]

Like.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's. People are going through a whole different mental thing post Covid than I think any generation ever had to go through.

[Damaris]

And I don't want this to be taken as this. We are in reference to the death.

[Rory]

No, no, no, no. This is in general, I'm saying the last 10 or 15 years. I'm just saying, just in general of the people we've lost that are of notoriety and have contributed the way they've contributed to the culture that we lost love. That it's something that. That I think just sending a text isn't really the strategy anymore. That's all. No, with everybody.

[Damaris]

I've never text somebody and said how are you? And they were like, I'm actually, I'm doing terrible. Like that rarely happens. Like everybody, like, I'm good, I'm fine. I'm, you know.

[Rory]

Yeah. And I mean I don't have the, I guess the tactics of or the advice of what to do in that situation.

[Jeff T]

But.

[Rory]

But if that's your friend, just make sure that you don't let the I'm cool text just go. That's all.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Mall]

But

[Rory]

while we're here, rest in peace to Clive Davis, legend in the music industry. I mean Whitney, Alicia, Usher, everybody. Yeah, I mean everybody Clive Davis. And you know, is of course it's always tragic when someone passes away, but I, I always like to highlight because even with my grandparents, they both made it to 91 and 93 and yeah, it sucked. My grandparents passed but I was very happy they had a full life. Yeah. Like you lived till 94. So yes, rest in peace for sure.

[Damaris]

But he was on bar.

[Rory]

Let's, let's acknowledge like 94 years of life is a beautiful thing.

[Mall]

Incredible.

[Rory]

Like that's awesome. Congratulations that you lived 94 years and got to see what you saw and contribute what you contributed to.

[Mall]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

Can I give a confession? I didn't know Clive Davis was white until I was like 25. So I was like, I want to

[Damaris]

say like 20 with me. I agree. Yeah, same.

[Rory]

It's the name same Clive Mo. I was working in the music industry. We going to Clive Davis at the Grammy party.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I thought he was black the whole time.

[Damaris]

There's another white in the music industry that I just found out was black like 10 years ago.

[Rory]

Tommy Motola.

[Damaris]

No, we, we all knew Tommy was white.

[Colin Coward]

That's cu.

[Damaris]

You love Mariah N. I feel like

[Rory]

everybody knew when Ghost was rapping about Tommy Motola. Not everybody knew Tommy Motola.

[Damaris]

His name is Tommy Motola.

[Rory]

Clive Davis.

[Damaris]

Clive is different. Tommy Motola is the white.

[Mall]

Clive Davis could be a black man.

[Rory]

Tommy plays base in Nashville, Tennessee.

[Mall]

1 million percent.

[Damaris]

Who's other big whites that are like white in the music industry? Like as like I don't think anyone

[Rory]

thought Steve Bartles was black.

[Damaris]

No. It's a hip hop one. I was like he white. I couldn't remember his name but producer. No, like a, like a bit like a executive Executive. Yeah. And he's still active too.

[Rory]

Lier you thought Lior Cohen.

[Damaris]

I didn't know Lero was white.

[Mall]

There's no way I didn't know Lero was white. There's no way. There's no way.

[Damaris]

I didn't know Leo was white until.

[Kyle Dion]

I'm not gonna.

[Rory]

I'm not gonna make this a thing that you guys think I'm gonna make it a thing about. But if you were to find a specific group of people. People. And find the most stereotypical name of them, it would be Leor Cohen.

[Mall]

Yeah. No, there's no Leora.

[Damaris]

Sounded black to me.

[Mall]

Leora. Okay.

[Jeff T]

All right.

[Rory]

Okay. It's not. It's Leor.

[Damaris]

Sounds black.

[Mall]

Yeah. Okay, next GM Leon Rose. Definitely sounds like a black man. Leon.

[Rory]

Let someone Yiddish say Leo, they're not gonna think it's black.

[Mall]

Leon is the most black name ever, probably.

[Rory]

Nah, Leon.

[Mall]

The only blacker name to Leon is Leroy.

[Damaris]

Yeah, Jamal is the blackest thing.

[Mall]

No, it's not. No, it's not. Jamal's not the black.

[Rory]

Because everyone calls me that in the street.

[Damaris]

Jamal is the blackest name.

[Mall]

No, it's not Jamal and Jquan. Jquan and Jamal. Nothing. Nothing alike.

[Rory]

Jquan is a pretty black.

[Damaris]

If you didn't. If your name wasn't Jamal, I think you would think differently about that.

[Rory]

It's a very stereotypical.

[Damaris]

Jamal is a stereotypic black. Stereotypical black name. It's like the name. Like white suburban ladies were like, in a movie. They would be like, okay, Jamal and.

[Rory]

Yeah, I feel like.

[Mall]

I feel like Andre is more stereotypical than Jamal.

[Damaris]

No, Jamal and Jamal and Jquan are like, hell, you might as well say Shaniqua.

[Mall]

Hell, yeah.

[Rory]

Any. Anytime a racist person is making a hypothetical, they're gonna use. They're gonna use Jamal.

[Mall]

No way.

[Guest]

Way.

[Mall]

No way. I don't think so.

[Damaris]

He's biased.

[Mall]

I'm not. I just don't think it's as stereotypical as y' all think it is.

[Rory]

Don't quote me because I don't know the. The actual history. But in my Irish heritage, a lot of people have the middle name Tyrone. Tyrone is actually very.

[Mall]

That's blacker than Jamal to me, but

[Rory]

I'm telling you, Tyrone.

[Mall]

Oh, my God.

[Rory]

Look up the Irish connection to the name Tyrone. I have a lot of older family members that have the middle name name Tyrone. It has something to do with Irish culture. I don't know where it comes from. So please do not quote me. I'm not standing. But Tyrone is an Irish name somewhere.

[Damaris]

It means land of Owen in Gaelic.

[Rory]

Yes, it's a Gaelic word.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, if you go through my family tree, there's Tyrones in my Family.

[Mall]

That's hilarious. If I was to meet an Irish Tyrone.

[Damaris]

That's funny.

[Mall]

The conversation we would have would last three hours.

[Rory]

When my dad was working, he must have been in Miami. Yeah, he was in Miami. He was in Coral Gables at the time. There was. He was working on this boat, and the whole time he was talking about this. This guy Tyrone he works with.

[Damaris]

Works.

[Rory]

I get there. Straight from Ireland.

[Mall]

That's crazy.

[Damaris]

That's funny.

[Rory]

Straight from Ireland. But, I mean, there was a lot of overlap in the West Indies with, oh, 100. The dialects are very similar.

[Mall]

100.

[Rory]

But yes, Tyrone does, in fact.

[Mall]

But being named Tyrone and you're like a full white Irishman is crazy.

[Damaris]

I. I Google most stereotypical black names. Jamal was the first one that came up. Deshawn.

[Rory]

But his is also from the Quran. And how he spells it is like,

[Damaris]

yeah, Demetrius, Tyrone, Marquis, Darnell, Malik, and Terrell. Those are the name. Those are the most stereotypical black names.

[Mall]

Jamal was number one.

[Damaris]

Jamal was number one.

[Kyle Dion]

Keep telling.

[Rory]

Like, it's almost become a character of racism.

[Damaris]

Yeah, it's a racist.

[Mall]

Like, how many Jamals do you know? Know?

[Rory]

I know a lot of Jamals. I would put it somewhere in the 5, 5 category.

[Damaris]

But that doesn't mean, like, you can. Even if somebody knows, none. That doesn't make it a less black name. I don't know any Shaniquas, but that's a stereotypical black name that I do not know.

[Rory]

And I. I don't think I know one. Shan.

[Damaris]

I don't know. Not one.

[Mall]

You don't know a Shaniqua?

[Rory]

I don't know.

[Mall]

How do you not know?

[Rory]

I know Sharkisha.

[Mall]

See, now that's crazy.

[Rory]

You know, it's the video. Never met.

[Damaris]

When I looked up stereotypical black female names. Latasha, Tamika, Latoya, Tanisha, Kesha, Aaliyah, and Lashonda. I know all of them.

[Rory]

P said a P. I was going

[Damaris]

to say DMX and Cisco, but Brenda, Leticia, Linda, Felicia. But a lot of them names weren't black.

[Rory]

Yeah, I don't think I know a Shaniqua. Yeah, I really don't think so.

[Damaris]

Jamal is. Jamal is a very, very stereotypical black name. But Lior. Yeah, I thought Leor was black. Bone, Quesa and Laquisha is crazy.

[Mall]

Bone Qua is not a real name.

[Damaris]

Bone Quesa is not a real name.

[Rory]

I didn't think could be a real name.

[Tony Ayo]

That's Google.

[Damaris]

I saw Bonquisha on Reddit. But the other ones was Google. Yeah, the ones I.

[Mall]

Originally I said Google definitely got bone quesa up there.

[Rory]

This. But this. This is my problem. With all those viral videos that they deprived us of. Where are they now? Like, don't make Sharkesha viral and then don't tell me 10 years later what happened to her.

[Mall]

Yeah, we need to know where.

[Rory]

Like, I need to know what Sharkesha's doing.

[Damaris]

Doing what you think Sharky should do, Patrick.

[Rory]

Beating the out of people.

[Mall]

What is this?

[Damaris]

Irish boy names Patrick Connor. Sean.

[Rory]

You Irish for real?

[Damaris]

You didn't know?

[Mall]

Oh, no, I didn't know that.

[Rory]

He put his pops in the chat. He looks just like my dad.

[Damaris]

Why Seamus ain't on there?

[Rory]

Seamus kind of. That's more of an older. Like, if you get into some of the. Like, my grandma's name was Eileen. Like, they don't make Eileen's anymore.

[Damaris]

I had an aunt named Eileen.

[Mall]

They don't make Eileen's or Barbara. When Last time I seen Barbara. You don't even know about.

[Damaris]

I went to. I went to high school to barber.

[Mall]

No way.

[Rory]

No, you did not go to high school with a barber. No way.

[Damaris]

I went to school with a barber. I'm not making that up.

[Mall]

Barbara.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And you went what, 06 to.

[Damaris]

I went to middle school and high school with her. Barbara.

[Mall]

Yes.

[Rory]

Shout out to Barbara.

[Damaris]

She was real, real skinny.

[Rory]

Hanging out with a Barbara in seven is crazy.

[Mall]

Barbara.

[Damaris]

I thought the Barbara named after their grandparents. Parents.

[Rory]

Well, my middle name is my grandfather's name, but it's not my first name.

[Mall]

Yeah, like, don't name me after my.

[Rory]

And on top of that, like, Jamaicans took Eugene from us. That used to be ours. And yeah, Trevor definitely took Trevor from. There was a lot of Irish names that West Indians took, now that I think about it.

[Damaris]

Took them or were they? We were the name passed down through all types of the owners. Yeah.

[Rory]

Oh, I think you have very misguided version of the history between the Irish and the West Indies and is.

[Damaris]

But y' all ever thought that some of the people that conquered you and some of the names that.

[Rory]

Yeah, no, for sure. No endangered servants. And I. Trust me, I'm not the Irish guy that said, hey, we went through it too. You do, but no, there's a way.

[Damaris]

Rory gonna tell us Irish were slaves every time we break. He don't do that.

[Rory]

They were.

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Mall]

It's just a fact.

[Jeff T]

But don't.

[Damaris]

But don't say I'm not the guy.

[Rory]

No, no. But I'm not one of those people that even still stands on the yes. When we got to this country too. It was no shirts, no shoes, no Irish.

[Mall]

Cool.

[Rory]

But then after that decade, we just became white. Yeah, so? So no, I'm not saying there's any comparison whatsoever. But a fact is a fact. And where the West Indian dialect is so similar to the Irish one is because they were endangered servants and slaves in the West Indies. Like.

[Mall]

Yeah, Barbara burst in recent years, around 300 newborn girls were given the name Barbara annually.

[Rory]

0.0 only Barbara in her 30s.

[Mall]

0.01% of all newborn girls in the United States dates are named Barbara. 0.01%. That's what I'm saying. You don't see barbers like that.

[Rory]

What? What was your grandmother's name?

[Mall]

Gertie.

[Rory]

I miss old names.

[Jeff T]

Gertie.

[Rory]

That's such a grandmother.

[Damaris]

Now, is Gertie like a nickname or like the full name?

[Mall]

Gertie like that was her name. Gertie May.

[Damaris]

Oh, they love him. Of course it's me they love a May.

[Mall]

Yeah, Gertie May.

[Rory]

And now that I think about it. But ans were also taken. Yo. Irish and Jamaicans have way too much in common. Cuz my mother's Kathy Anne. Everything an is Jamaican related 100%.

[Damaris]

My mother's name is Kathy Ann or trailer trash related. Trailer trash. Whites love a. Okay, they put Britney and Tammy and Anne and Lynn.

[Rory]

Oh no. Lynn to me is white trash. Anne is not white. Lynn to me is white trash.

[Mall]

Yeah, and how that together?

[Rory]

If you put. If your second name is Lynn, you'd 1000% are a poor white. Yeah, like there's no way you did. You did not grow up on food stamps if you're a white girl with the middle name Lynn.

[Mall]

Girl. What is this? What list is this? These girl names saw the steepest. All right, thank you.

[Rory]

Thank God. Thank God Dior did

[Mall]

baby names at risk of going extinct.

[Damaris]

It was London and Milan for me.

[Tony Ayo]

Me.

[Damaris]

Oh, they ran those through the ground.

[Mall]

McKenley, Prisha, Ezra, Sasha.

[Rory]

Does the new Royal Mall drop his sister's name is London. You better relax.

[Mall]

Shaker, Gabriel, zelie, ocean down 242 spots.

[Rory]

Ali, I've never met Ocean.

[Mall]

Aria. Kylie. Kylie. Wow, I like that name. Kylie. Malaysia. Goldie. I'm glad that's on the way out.

[Damaris]

Stop.

[Rory]

But Goldie was always like a nickname for a grandma.

[Mall]

Hallelujah, Amaya, Kenzie, Aviona.

[Rory]

Oh, I knew a lot of Kiana.

[Damaris]

Down 197 spots. Y' all better bring the kiana's back.

[Mall]

Beta.

[Rory]

Love it.

[Mall]

Kiana, Indy, Regina is down 195 spots. Avery, Elsa, Kaylee, Lillian. Sienna, Dylan. Dallas. Dylan. Oh, I thought I was dialing Dylan. Amal, Nicole, Oakland. Brinley, Deleezy Delayza.

[Rory]

I think I remember the Brinley phase.

[Mall]

I like that. Was a thing.

[Damaris]

Peyton. Was a thing.

[Rory]

Was a thing. Thing.

[Damaris]

Enough. Ryan.

[Rory]

If you guys. What would you guys choose just off the top of your head for your son or your daughter's name?

[Damaris]

I told y'. All. Nasir. Y' all talked about me like a dogs.

[Mall]

Yeah, we did. I remember that as soon as you said that.

[Damaris]

Y talked about me like a dog. Carter, my son named. I love the name Grayson. I have a cousin shout out to my cousin. I have a cousin named De Grayson. Grayson. And I love his name.

[Mall]

So my son, I like the Grayson.

[Damaris]

The Grayson. Get an apostrophe and then Grayson. But everybody calls him Grayson. I always love that name.

[Rory]

What about you?

[Mall]

More probably Jamal going junior. Probably.

[Damaris]

What a legacy leave.

[Guest]

So that's.

[Rory]

That's a lot of Nike dunk shoes he has to fill.

[Mall]

Man. It's hard filling these 10 and a halfs

[Rory]

if. If I have a son. Nolan is when I want to name myself Irish as I know you don't like the name Nolan.

[Kyle Dion]

No.

[Rory]

Why not?

[Mall]

Too close to Dolan. We don't care about him.

[Rory]

I never put those two and two together.

[Jeff T]

Damn it.

[Rory]

Now I'm never gonna unthink that.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Thank you for ruining Nolan.

[Damaris]

Why did you like what you really like Nolan as like a name or that's like. Does it mean something? You like. You got grandparent named.

[Rory]

No, my Irish uncle Anthony had a friend named Nolan. I just always thought it was a cool Irish.

[Mall]

Of course your Irish uncle Anthony has a friend. No, of course.

[Jeff T]

Anthony.

[Rory]

Anthony.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Amara and Nolan don't go together.

[Rory]

But they're not. They're. They'd be different people. Like Amara's.

[Damaris]

But they don't. But you have to say their names together a lot.

[Mall]

No, you don't.

[Damaris]

Yes, you do. When you're not gonna name one kid and name. Like when you're naming kids, like, I'm with so and so and so, you

[Rory]

say, where the are the kids at?

[Mall]

Yeah, where the kids? How are the kids? How the kids?

[Damaris]

No, like, you see how mauling his

[Rory]

are gonna talk me. I love Nolan. I think it's good. A great name.

[Mall]

I like Nolan. It's a nice name.

[Damaris]

I like how when we hear Amara, like, we gotta like, guess her ethnicity, but like Nolan we know automatically not really Nolan.

[Mall]

Nolan can be a black name. Nolan can definitely be A black name. I know. I know a few Nolans.

[Damaris]

You know A few Nolans?

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Say, swear to God.

[Mall]

Swear to God.

[Damaris]

I've never heard that name before.

[Mall]

Nolan.

[Damaris]

Outside of Christopher Nolan, that's the only Nolan I know. Christopher Nolan.

[Mall]

Crazy.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Rory]

No, Nolan's outside. You just got to go to Ireland to find.

[Mall]

Or Queens.

[Rory]

Nolan is. Is a great name.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I mean, if you like it. Do you guys want to know my confirmation name?

[Mall]

What is. What is a confirmation name?

[Rory]

When you get confirmed in the Catholic church, you pick.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah, it's Patrick.

[Damaris]

Pat Patrick. I mean, Peach Wishers.

[Rory]

There's only, like, five picks that you can go with.

[Mall]

Jerome.

[Rory]

Jerome is Irish too.

[Guest]

Ma.

[Mall]

Meeting a white Jerome is crazy.

[Rory]

It's Irish too.

[Mall]

No, I know, but I'm just saying I've never seen a white Jerome before. An Asian Jerome.

[Rory]

Asian Jerome is crazy. That actually sounds like a bit in Russia power, yo.

[Tony Ayo]

Jerome.

[Damaris]

Jerome.

[Mall]

Your grandfather's name is Jerome?

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You just, like, picked that one.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Oh, that's the name that, like, when you start working at 7:11, they give you a name so everybody can say it.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah.

[Mall]

That's not your.

[Damaris]

Why you pick 7 11, right?

[Mall]

A Safeway.

[Rory]

That wasn't racist because that's not the 711 stereotypes.

[Mall]

Yeah, no, it's not.

[Rory]

That was progressive more.

[Mall]

Yeah, they give you a name just like the ladies at the nail salon.

[Rory]

Listen, anytime you do customer service, that's not they name.

[Mall]

No. Or the nail salon. The lady that does your nails, you think. You think her name is. Is. Is. Is Janice.

[Damaris]

No, we know.

[Mall]

I promise you that's not her name. Promise you that's not her name.

[Rory]

No, we know it's not, but, no, Jerome is definitely Irish too.

[Mall]

How did your grandfather land on Jerome? Did he name himself?

[Tony Ayo]

No.

[Mall]

Or when they gave him the job, they gave him a name tag that said Jerome on it.

[Rory]

He was a teenager when he was

[Mall]

at school, they gave him that name at school. They gave him the name like the. The principal.

[Rory]

I don't like the teacher or something like that.

[Mall]

The teacher just started calling him Jerome and it stuck. I'm trying to figure out how your grandfather got the name. Funny as your ask your grandfather, how did they land on the name Jerome? Like, who gave him the name? J. Name aren't like they're real names.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Jerome is just funny, though. That is funny as an Asian Jerome. Wow.

[Jeff T]

Okay.

[Rory]

They're out there.

[Damaris]

Here, go to the barber I went to school with. I found her on Facebook.

[Rory]

Here's my thing.

[Mall]

Let me see.

[Rory]

And this is up to, say, Barbara. Beautiful girl. Yeah, me. Maybe there something wrong. Maybe there's something wrong with me.

[Guest]

Me.

[Rory]

If I saw a chick that I liked and we started talking and she said her name was Barbara, I.

[Mall]

It would.

[Rory]

It would change things.

[Mall]

Yeah, I'm changing her name. Like the ladies at the nail salon. No, your name is not Barbara.

[Rory]

And then I can't call her Barb because then it's like, no Crazy Stan.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Rory]

It wouldn't work. Even if that was my soulmate. I just don't think I could work

[Damaris]

out V. Don't nobody really want to moan the name Roar, either. Ain't nobody too fond of that. Like.

[Jeff T]

Like,

[Rory]

I will show you. Thousands and thousands. Thousands of thousands of women.

[Mall]

Thousands flooded.

[Rory]

Thousands, thousands.

[Mall]

Like y' all popping like thousands upon thousands.

[Rory]

Yo, a thousand people is so gross.

[Damaris]

People do it.

[Rory]

No, I know people do it. I'm not one of them, but. No, like, one or two have definitely done it before.

[Mall]

Out of thousands.

[Damaris]

What they call you, like, Daddy? Like, because. What?

[Rory]

No, I'm not. I've never been into that. Okay, so, like, Poppy's fine, but it doesn't happen often to me.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

He said, what's fine?

[Mall]

More Poppy.

[Kyle Dion]

All right.

[Damaris]

Yeah. I'm never calling no Asian. I mean, no Irish Poppy. That's crazy. Why not Irish Poppy?

[Rory]

Yeah, what if I. I mean, what if I was doing the Poppy Activity City?

[Mall]

Yeah. What if he was Poppy to her?

[Damaris]

So Daddy's okay as long as it's in Spanish?

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I'm not saying I'm morally correct in that. I'm just telling you how my brain works. Daddy's weird to me. Poppy's not.

[Damaris]

So Poppy is logic.

[Rory]

You're. You're trying to find logic. I'm not going to give you logic.

[Damaris]

You know what I'm saying? But Poppy is. The only thing that she can moan is Poppy. That's it.

[Rory]

No, I like. I like when. When women say my name when we have sex.

[Kyle Dion]

Bees left, like, insecure.

[Mall]

I like it when women say my name when we're having sex.

[Rory]

I get uncomfortable talking about sex with y'.

[Jeff T]

All.

[Rory]

Do you?

[Mall]

Cuz you always. You always start the sex conversations.

[Rory]

Cuz y' all are great at it.

[Mall]

Oh, my God.

[Rory]

I'm just producing.

[Damaris]

Now he ep. Yeah, now he.

[Rory]

You two freaky frogs. Yeah, y' all are great at that.

[Damaris]

Only real freaky one over here. If we do a freaked out survey, Marl is definitely the most freaked out

[Rory]

one as what he says or, like, what people think behind as, like, what

[Damaris]

he Says like on his podcast.

[Rory]

No, I think m not just being

[Damaris]

missionary, but I mean like on this podcast, who talks about sex the most? Like who turns this podcast into horrible decisions?

[Mall]

It be more me.

[Rory]

No, I think it's all three of us.

[Mall]

Oh my God.

[Rory]

It's one of those polls that I think 33.3percent with everybody here.

[Mall]

I can promise you it's not me.

[Damaris]

Me and Rory might toss you the

[Mall]

ball, but you might not tossing the ball. You talk about sex.

[Damaris]

We all do. Oh, hey, he's shirtless.

[Mall]

Who's shirtless? Ain't nobody coming on this. Yo, Kyle, push. We'll be back after this break. Nobody's coming on this couch shirtless.

[Colin Coward]

No.

[Rory]

We are going to take a break for a second. Get him some back to talk about.

[Mall]

Get him some merch. No man is sitting on his couch shirtless, bro. That's not happening.

[Rory]

We're going to take a quick break. We're going to talk about the scissor

[Mall]

and AI and get somebody something to wear.

[Rory]

We have our brother Kyon coming on as well. We're going to talk about all the scissor comments over the weekend and get into some voicemails and other stuff. Here's a quick break. We're going go get Kyle a shirt.

[Mall]

Yeah, definitely. No worry.

[Rory]

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[Jeff T]

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[Rory]

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[Rory]

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[Colin Coward]

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[Mall]

always chaos when we link up?

[Kyle Dion]

Because nobody plans anything, bro.

[Guest]

Good thing the Rogue's ready like that for real. Rain, dirt, whatever Available. All wheel drive, five modes. We still outside.

[Mall]

And they got some kick too.

[Guest]

That turbo torque is crazy. The most in its class.

[Kyle Dion]

It moves, moves.

[Guest]

Rogue doesn't mess around and peep the space merch on merch gear. Minecraft mics, all of it fits.

[Tony Ayo]

Load up.

[Guest]

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[Rory]

Okay, we are back. We are with a friend of the show. Probably one of the first live performers we ever had at a live podcast show. Been on My Karma is Beautiful. Yeah, he's kind of been part of our podcasting journey for. For quite some time, I feel like. Yeah, no, he's really a friend of the show.

[Mall]

Definitely.

[Rory]

We are here with the very, very, very talented Kyle Dion. Studio audience, make so much noise.

[Mall]

Studio audience, make some noise.

[Rory]

Solar Deluxe. Now, I spent the morning of my father's day with Amara having Nature's perfume on repeat.

[Kyle Dion]

Let's go.

[Rory]

This is great. What's the record with Duckworth?

[Kyle Dion]

Vanilla Sky.

[Rory]

That is fire too. Video is great.

[Kyle Dion]

Thank you, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

Before we get to the child just kicking the heat.

[Mall]

Like, oh, I forgot. Cameras was here. Microphones was here.

[Rory]

Like before we get to the. The scissor and AI stuff. Yeah, I did want to ask, dude, you. Do you feel like the deluxe version is putting a pressure on y'?

[Jeff T]

All?

[Kyle Dion]

What do you mean?

[Rory]

I mean you. You added three records. Solar. But I've seen a lot of people, including sza, who we're about to talk about pretty much doing whole new albums under the same SOS umbrella.

[Kyle Dion]

Or like. I seen that too though. Yeah.

[Rory]

Do you see a spike in the streams when you add the deluxe? Like, is it is it. A real strategic thing that artists actually have to do at this point is to do the deluxe and re release it just so it can get back in the algorithm.

[Kyle Dion]

Absolutely. So I literally, like, I like, had a big back and forth with my label trying to convince them to drop a deluxe so that we could reinvigorate the album. Because I believe in the album so much. And I put every album that I put out, I've always done a deluxe for it. And you just see those like, numbers just. Just skyrocket because it goes into people's algorithms again and it's like a new thing. So it definitely helps. And then, you know, you spend like niggas spent like years working on one album and then you put it out and it's like three months and everybody's like, you know, going to the next thing. So it's like doing that gives us a chance to really work what we've been working on for a long time. It's like, this isn't easy.

[Tony Ayo]

This is hard, man.

[Kyle Dion]

It's like we put. We put our whole life into it and it's just consumed and let go. Especially these days. There's not. Not people. Like, a lot of people don't listen to albums anymore, you know, so it's like they consume albums like a single, you know, not only that, a lot

[Mall]

of artists don't focus on a complete. Yes. They put out an album.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah.

[Mall]

But it's not. Is it cohesive?

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Is it. Is it telling a complete story?

[Kyle Dion]

And a lot of people don't.

[Mall]

A lot of people don't. A lot of artists just chase singles. So I can get singles.

[Kyle Dion]

Exactly.

[Mall]

You know what I mean? So the listeners move on fast. But it also has affected the way artists create as well.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah.

[Kyle Dion]

It's sad, man. It's like I'm like. I always say, like, I wish I was an artist in a different time.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Kyle Dion]

Because I feel like I would thrive way, way more. Not even like just visibly, but mentally. It's a mental game to be an artist right now. It's really. It can. You can really get in a dark space. So, yeah, it's wrapped the question back around. It definitely helps bring people, like, I've seen, like, we just dropped it a few days ago. And people are like, I didn't know you dropped, you know, solar. I didn't know there was a. This album existed.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Kyle Dion]

And now they're like, oh. Because the algorithm plays and it doesn't come across those things. Yeah, exactly. So it definitely helps. And I'm happy that it's out.

[Rory]

Yeah, I guess it's case by case basis because, I mean, I've even. I mean, when I say argue with my label, I just mean Britain Azad. Like, it's our label. But I. I don't know. I. I still have that old mentality, and it's more of a fan rather than a creator, where I just like. I like that album.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I get SZA doing the SOS Thing. Even if it was good business. I also get it too. Those records were from that time.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah.

[Rory]

These records will either stay on a hard drive or I.

[Kyle Dion]

Or you're gonna.

[Rory]

It's gonna be a new sound. When I put it out, that's a

[Kyle Dion]

part of it too. Like, that's a part of it too. It's like, let's. Let's just, you know, we can add to this story, like, the stuff that didn't make it, that almost made it. Like, it's part of it too. Like, I think it's. I think deluxes are a great thing. I think it's good for artists these days especially.

[Rory]

All right, well, should. I mean, should I put the four records we have out and do a. I thought it was different. Deluxe tomorrow.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah, exactly. This nigga got so much songs with me. Not one has. Has touched anyone.

[Rory]

But it's because it's actually out of respecting you so much that I want it to be perfect when we.

[Kyle Dion]

Nah, you're doing too much. You're doing too much.

[Rory]

It's funny when.

[Mall]

Disrespect me like the record.

[Kyle Dion]

Disrespect how exactly? I mean, he don't like it.

[Rory]

Not the case.

[Colin Coward]

All right.

[Rory]

Million dollars.

[Mall]

I respect you so much. I'm not gonna put out the song

[Rory]

that we did, but the record I. I just put out with Lucky Day and Black Odyssey, I went on stream that night and I was just playing and Damaris was there, and I played Million Dollar Touch, and I was my favorite song. Roy's what the is wrong with you?

[Kyle Dion]

I was like, good song. It's so good.

[Mall]

But see, this is why Rory is

[Rory]

fake, because I put it in a sequence of the next album.

[Kyle Dion]

He got three hitters on there. You know what I'm saying? You got.

[Mall]

He being fake. If you. If you had the number one album.

[Kyle Dion]

You being fake.

[Mall]

Look. No, no, I'm saying Rory's being fake. Oh, he's being fake. He's being fake. If you had the number one album

[Kyle Dion]

right now, that's would have been out.

[Mall]

That song would have been.

[Damaris]

You would have been A music video.

[Kyle Dion]

There would have been a music video.

[Mall]

Three calls with Netflix. It would have been a Netflix from there at midnight.

[Kyle Dion]

We know what it is. You playing games. You playing games.

[Guest]

Okay.

[Rory]

I love. See, the only way for me to make this point is going to make it sound like I'm talking down on other cs. Armstrong and Kirby are incredible artists, but didn't have a. A big name at that time whatsoever cover. It just fit in a sequence. Million Dollar Touch did not fit in that album. It went from being what would have been the first single to the direction changing after I did the joint with Drum and Alex Ozzie to not even making the album.

[Mall]

It went from being the first single,

[Kyle Dion]

the lead single, making it.

[Mall]

Not even.

[Rory]

Not even making the deluxe. See, both. Both of y'.

[Tony Ayo]

All.

[Rory]

There is no deluxe. Both of y' all are being disingenuous because you know for a fact you're an incredible artist and you have been around. Around the biggest artists in the world. There are incredible songs and fans are like, why the wouldn't that make it? Because it doesn't fit into this. It doesn't mean it's the world.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And Universal. Million Dollar Touch, like, they're so good. It's. It's unreal like that.

[Mall]

It's too good. Too good to even make the album.

[Kyle Dion]

It's too good.

[Rory]

No, it's just stuff I have.

[Kyle Dion]

Good to be out in the world right now.

[Rory]

I can't say right now because I don't want to offend anyone. There's things I would have to switch. He took the record to a level that didn't match.

[Mall]

It's unmatchable.

[Kyle Dion]

He's just. He's just.

[Mall]

Have you ever heard that, Kyle, about your music? It's unmatched, unmatchable.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Can we talk off mic so I can give my point and you guys will fully understand what the I'm talking about?

[Tony Ayo]

I don't know.

[Kyle Dion]

I just know that there's. There's more than that song that I have with you. And Bottled up is incredible.

[Mall]

Bottled up.

[Rory]

But we wanted Jojo on there. We still need.

[Colin Coward]

Yeah.

[Kyle Dion]

Shout out to Joe. She's out here. What's up?

[Rory]

Oh, let's go finish Bottle up then. That should make the second album. Heartbeat. Oh, yeah.

[Kyle Dion]

Because Jojo.

[Tony Ayo]

Right?

[Mall]

See, look. You see what happens it Jojo.

[Kyle Dion]

That shit's going out.

[Mall]

It's out of here.

[Rory]

Did we not have a vision this like.

[Kyle Dion]

You're so great, Kyle. You're so good. Get JoJo on it, though.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Kyle Dion]

It's coming Out.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

We had a vision for that record.

[Kyle Dion]

Nah.

[Rory]

And it was going to be a duet division.

[Kyle Dion]

We know what it is.

[Mall]

Yeah. What's up, Change?

[Rory]

Don't do that. Because I sat in my mother's kitchen sending you cocaine 80s references for us to do Bottled Up. And yeah, we had a goal. And Jojo was the one that I think would have smoked.

[Colin Coward]

Sold it.

[Kyle Dion]

She probably would have. And it probably would have been out if she did.

[Rory]

Liana Lahaves would kill that too.

[Guest]

What?

[Rory]

Yeah, there's. I'll send it to other people.

[Kyle Dion]

Okay.

[Rory]

We got an ombre joint too.

[Kyle Dion]

That's why we got an ombre joint.

[Mall]

Look. Look how the ombre went from Jojo to ombre.

[Rory]

Okay. But here I'm gonna defend myself even more. Me and Jazzy have a bunch of joints together. That won't make my second album because after my second album, which I've seen, said I want to do EPs after of doing this.

[Kyle Dion]

Why?

[Rory]

Because the. Everyone has their own album cycles and schedules and it's really tough to release. Like even putting out the Leon Thomas joint, I had to put it out earlier than I wanted to because Leon was about to drop. Same with Masego and Freddy. Like I have to go off everyone's time in that regard. So I've worked with artists. Me and Simba. Got a bunch of joints I want to set aside after the second album. Because I committed to the second album to not do that for a long time. I want to lock in. We both agree we're doing four joints together and we're putting out an EP on our time. Because I can't putting out a 10 track album with 15 artists. You know how hard it is to get 15 artists on the same release schedule.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah, it's a lot.

[Rory]

It's.

[Mall]

It's a lot.

[Rory]

It's too much. So I'm going into the EP world. So that's why I know we joking. If Kyle thinks those records are not coming out, you out of your motherfucking mind.

[Mall]

They not coming out. At some point they're coming out.

[Kyle Dion]

They're not coming out.

[Mall]

They are definitely. Music is definitely happening.

[Damaris]

I hope.

[Kyle Dion]

I hope it comes out. There's just.

[Rory]

Cuz you dress like a guardian angel in New York does not mean that you can come on here and lie on me.

[Kyle Dion]

Not Guardian angel in New York. This crazy.

[Rory]

Don't even know what the guardian angels are.

[Damaris]

I don't.

[Mall]

You don't know what the guardian angels are? Oh my God. Wait till you see this picture.

[Kyle Dion]

I have a. I have a I have a, a, a mental image in my head.

[Colin Coward]

Head.

[Mall]

No, you've seen the Guardian Angels of New York. There you go, right there. Yeah.

[Kyle Dion]

I hate you with the hat. Yeah, I'm guarding New York.

[Mall]

Oh, my God.

[Rory]

But yes.

[Kyle Dion]

Anyway, what's that one song?

[Rory]

Oh, what's it called? With Jana's producers. That was the first one we ever did.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Kyle Dion]

I'm unlucky.

[Rory]

Unlucky.

[Kyle Dion]

And that one's fired too. And it's not out.

[Rory]

All right.

[Mall]

You know, my friend Kyle did all

[Kyle Dion]

that to say and that was let up. And my friend, she said, she just told me recently, she got on your phone, she said, can you send me that old song that you sent me that you do? Rory, she just likes to listen to it. It's her favorite. One of her favorite songs.

[Rory]

Yeah, Unlucky.

[Kyle Dion]

I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. You Sleeping on me?

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Kyle Dion]

What's new?

[Rory]

Wait, Sleep.

[Tony Ayo]

All right.

[Kyle Dion]

Sleeping On Me.

[Mall]

Just don't do no more songs for him.

[Kyle Dion]

I know.

[Damaris]

That's what I'm saying.

[Kyle Dion]

You got all the R B. Yeah. Leon Thomas came out.

[Damaris]

Leon Thomas. That was the first single that came out.

[Kyle Dion]

That came out. You see what I'm saying? I know this for years, right? He got a Leon. He said, oh, out now.

[Mall]

Grammy award winning.

[Rory]

You got a single. You put me or Leon Thomas out first. Me. Exactly.

[Kyle Dion]

No, say it.

[Rory]

I didn't hear it.

[Kyle Dion]

You say it again.

[Rory]

If you're putting out your single, is it featuring me or Leon? Leon Thomas.

[Kyle Dion]

I mean, I feel like me and Leon Thomas could like, do. We're singers.

[Rory]

I know. Yeah, but I'm saying you're single would probably like, strike where the iron is hot.

[Kyle Dion]

Listen, I, I, if I with niggas, I' ma fuck with them regardless of what, like, clout they got in the moment.

[Rory]

Oh, I agree.

[Damaris]

Fleeting.

[Rory]

So it's like you're gonna paint me as that person.

[Kyle Dion]

No, no, no, no, I'm not. I'm. I'm just saying. I'm just saying I'mma with, you know, because you asked me the comparison, like, am I gonna drop with you or am I gonna drop with Leon? To put the, that one out, I like it more, you know what I'm saying? Regardless of who's on it.

[Rory]

So, yeah, when Mut came out, you 1,000% right. I said, I'm putting this. Leon, you got some nerve.

[Kyle Dion]

What you mean, did he take out the. I think he did.

[Mall]

I think he's a little sensitive, you know?

[Kyle Dion]

Sensitive? That, that wasn't to you. I was just saying. Like, I'm saying, if I got a hot record.

[Rory]

Part of the content, by the way, I'm really not that bad, but okay.

[Kyle Dion]

If I got a hot record and the person on there is not, like, super, super, super popping at the. At the. And I got someone that's super popping and it's not as good as the other record. I'm gonna put the hot record.

[Rory]

My second. My second single was with Raheem and Chantel May. Love them.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Can we pull the room.

[Kyle Dion]

Can we get the receipt of who,

[Rory]

like, if they were popular or not?

[Mall]

Yeah. I want to hear the records, though. I never. I didn't. Never heard.

[Kyle Dion]

You never heard any of that.

[Rory]

Million dollars, 75 different beats over.

[Mall]

I never heard it. Never heard it.

[Colin Coward]

It.

[Mall]

They're all good, like, buried at the bottom of his, like, laptop.

[Kyle Dion]

It's not like a hard Drive from 20. Like, 17.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

That's crazy.

[Kyle Dion]

N. Real. Real, though.

[Jeff T]

We. We.

[Kyle Dion]

Me and Rory just linked up the other day and he. We played like, a bunch of our stuff in.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Kyle Dion]

The car, and it was really, really.

[Mall]

Still sounds good.

[Kyle Dion]

Sounds great. It's really good.

[Rory]

No, I'm excited. And yes, Kyle, I'm gonna. Did I not send you what I said my favorite beat I've ever made.

[Jeff T]

Made.

[Kyle Dion]

He sent me a new.

[Rory]

I gave to Kyle.

[Kyle Dion]

He sent to me. I'm gonna see what I'm doing in la. Yeah, I got you.

[Mall]

You still live in la.

[Kyle Dion]

I live in la, yeah. Yeah.

[Rory]

Don't like it.

[Kyle Dion]

I like it. It's home now. I've been there for, like, 10 years.

[Rory]

Because you're from Miami originally, right?

[Kyle Dion]

From South Florida. From Coral Springs. Brown County. Brown County.

[Jeff T]

Okay. Yeah.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Do you want. I mean, I feel like the R B scene is. It was where you needed to be and was Los Angeles. Do you feel that way now? I feel like. Yeah, it's changed the way I still feel like.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah, I feel like. But yeah, I think New York is, like, more New York, New York.

[Mall]

I think the energy overall in LA has changed post Covid.

[Damaris]

Oh.

[Mall]

I think a lot of the energy in LA that was there before COVID

[Kyle Dion]

is completely kind of went away. Yeah, I agree with that. Like, after 2019. Yeah, for sure. But I don't know. I feel like LA is like. I guess I'm just comfortable there. And I've been here for a week just now, and I'm like, can't wait to get back home. I don't know. Really? Yeah, just like. It's like. It's just like a comfortable. And it Also is like chill.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kyle Dion]

LA is like more chill and like New York is like niggas is like I got like 28,000 steps. Like I'm just, you know, I want my car. You know what I'm saying? Like, so it's. It's a. It's a. It's culture out here. It's fun to be out here and visit, but I don't know if I could live here.

[Rory]

I mean, do you think you'll ever leave la?

[Kyle Dion]

I think it all be. It will always be home based. But I could see myself like moving to New York for like a few months.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Kyle Dion]

In the fall or the spring. Not in the summer or winter because it's brutal.

[Mall]

Yeah. Now I hear that all fall in New York is nice.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Kyle Dion]

Really pretty. I.

[Rory]

This is gonna sound bad. Come from New Yorker though. The music scene out here is not that great, especially R B related. Like you're not. There's great musicians. Don't get me wrong. They're great musicians and great producers, but not to the clip. Even at this point where LA is. People have moved out. You can't just walk in the studio the way you can in la.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Where you're gonna. You're gonna see three bass players that played on Blonde just by accident.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, that's not. That doesn't happen out here and that's. You're not gonna walk in a quad. You're gonna bust the rhymes. You want to bust the rhyme universe. New York, we got quad.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah. That's why I feel like LA is like more still like for music. Like, if you wanna. If you want to like collab and like be around people and be around a lot of talented artists, LA is like definitely where you should be. And then New York is like more like people come here and like the people are in the mix. But I don't feel like it's like if you want sessions and like you

[Rory]

get inspiration out here, you get inspiration. That's. That's probably.

[Kyle Dion]

And people look more fly for sure. People.

[Rory]

Yeah. Me a lot.

[Kyle Dion]

Like the best. But yeah.

[Rory]

Where are you guys at with what Sza said over the weekend? I can we call it her fina is.

[Kyle Dion]

Was it on her Fina Damaris.

[Rory]

You know, this type of stuff.

[Kyle Dion]

Was it on the burner?

[Rory]

Is it a burner if we know it's scissor?

[Damaris]

Alternate page.

[Kyle Dion]

I got one that look that.

[Damaris]

Let's call it a AP.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah, there we go.

[Rory]

But not in the way like Kevin Durant has. His is like. Like we know that this.

[Damaris]

That's offensive.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Okay. Got it. So I didn't know she had this other account, but I get it too. You want to keep. SZA's a superstar. You want to keep that one just for announcements with stuff.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah. And do whatever you want on it.

[Rory]

So she was talking about AI Kyle. We had Akon on here. What was that last week?

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I saw that Akon is a. A big advocate of AI, which I was kind of surprised by.

[Kyle Dion]

He old. I mean, he's like older, but he. I feel like the older people are like excited about it. The older.

[Mall]

Like why is that?

[Kyle Dion]

I don't know. I feel like the older producers and

[Rory]

older like Timberland is. Went full on it.

[Kyle Dion]

That's what I'm saying. I feel like it's like a thing like they're all just like super excited.

[Mall]

Might be the Professor X of. He might be. He might be the Professor X of

[Kyle Dion]

AI Well, I like the new song they just. He did with Chloe. That was good, Tim. Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah. But I mean, now I look at things in a weird lens with Timberland at this point.

[Kyle Dion]

Why?

[Rory]

Because of his stance on AI. I just don't. I can't really take in his music at that point. Like it's really skewed my perception of Timberland, which. Which sucks. Because he's one of the greatest producers, especially with popping R and B. I love Timberland.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Hip hop. I'm not the biggest Tim for fan, but when it comes to R B,

[Kyle Dion]

like his collaborations with R and B artists. Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

Tim is. Is. Is a goat to me in that regard. So.

[Kyle Dion]

For sure.

[Rory]

Yeah. I. I look at that different when someone takes that side. I think the conversation we had with Aon was good because I. I was telling him in Pro Tools I love that I can use AI to take a two track and make stems.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I think there's purpose in that. I think it's the stance that SIZ has taken is where I completely agree with her. She said if you're a musician and you support this degenerate shit, you're disgusting. And there's nothing you could ever say to me to make that okay. And she went on to say that every song that goes through these AI programs is from black artists. At the end of the day, rarely are they using white artists to teach AI anything. And the quote.

[Mall]

Was that confirmed or is that.

[Kyle Dion]

I mean it's if she has a

[Rory]

bit more information than. Than probably the average person in that regard. She found 238 of her songs unreleased as well, that were used to train these AI models. And here's the problem. Diplo, who I think is an incredible producer, dj, change the sound, this and that. He has equity in a SUNO that just got sued by the US Musicians Union for putting in people's music without consent to teach this AI shit. And when you start doing that, it becomes more disingenuous because I'm sure Diplo and SZA probably have unreleased records together. I'm sure they probably got more records than him and I do that are never gonna see the light of day. And now that you have equity into this company that is not only taking catalog from Spotify without making my consent, you are taking records that aren't even out because you have them.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And that's where this becomes completely illegal to me. I think AI has tools that are great, but this is the real issue that I don't think Akon, Timberland and everyone else doesn't understand why artists are so mad at this point.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like right now, they're taking every. Because you don't even know the fine print when you upload to a psp.

[Jeff T]

Right.

[Rory]

At this point, they're taking his whole catalog and it's being put into a computer to be taught how to do the Volstetto that he does.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And to me, that's. That's the real issue. Like, I hear what Akon is trying to say. Diplo even saying here, either adapt or die. I get that too, because at one point, people hated electronic drum machines. They hated sampling. But we still find that in a purest way. But Diplo saying, sorry, you purists, you have to adapt to die. No, this is illegal. This is taking someone's actual intellectual property.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Sampling. Anytime you took someone's intellectual property without permission. Yeah, you was. It's slapped right on the wrist. Yeah. For that, sampling purists, whatever you think is still legal.

[Mall]

This is sampling. But now it's not illegal. This is sampling. AI is sampling. How are you taking it if you're training it to study writers and. And voices and fluctuations and things like that, like sampling an art.

[Kyle Dion]

I think it's stealing. I don't think it's.

[Mall]

Sampling was stealing.

[Guest]

You think?

[Mall]

Yeah, but you had to pay for it. So it's not stealing anymore because you're paying for it.

[Kyle Dion]

Well, I feel like this when you, like, say, when you hear a sample, like, you'll hear a sample in a song. Like, oh, it's from a throwback song. Whatever. Like, whatever. It's something that's out Something that people know. These are. These are. These AI machines are. Are creating new material in design of an artist and how their inflections are and what they do. So it's not. I don't. I wouldn't compare it to sampling because it's something that is com. It's not created. And they can put it out as if it's brand and kind of just. I would say it's stealing.

[Mall]

Well, a lot of artists put out samples that was deemed to be brand new. It was like, catch me if you can. They knew when they made it, they were sampling a record or song or, you know, things like that. The reason why I'm comparing AI to sampling is because if they're taking 238sza songs.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah.

[Mall]

They're taking her music that's already and unreleased. You're taking her music, you're putting it into a machine. A program that is now studying how

[Kyle Dion]

to make a song like that.

[Mall]

How to make a song like that.

[Kyle Dion]

Like, it doesn't use those songs, but it makes a song. So now every time they put a prompt, it's already studied what she did. So now they're gonna be like, they're gonna do exactly what SZA does in a different song that she's never made before.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Kyle Dion]

That no one's ever heard before. And, like, promote it as this brand new thing where it's like, you know, I just, I. I feel like it's. It's. It's dangerous. It's. There's. There's no parameters. There's no like, even like AI artists on Spotify and shit. Like, I've seen people be like, oh, I love this artist and it's an AI artist. And I'm like, there's a distinct tone to it too. You can actually, like, understand if it's an AI song. But I be blocking them. I block all the artists. Even if their shit sounds good. I'm like, I don't need that shit on my. On my thing.

[Mall]

I'm not against it. But can we get how we used to get the explicit advisory thing on an album?

[Kyle Dion]

That's what I'm saying.

[Mall]

Can we get that on the AI project

[Kyle Dion]

artists? It should say that, right? And it doesn't. And that's where we need to, like, as things are, you know, Tim saying, like, you know, get with it or get lost, whatever. As things are progressing, like, we need to have some kind of parameters, like those things, like AI artists. Right, Joy, whatever. You know what I'm saying? It's like, we need to let people know so we're not being bamboozled and fooled because this is people's actual. I mean, it's mine. It's my actual life. It's really, like. It's really sad and, like, sick. So I'm with sza. I totally understand her.

[Rory]

And yeah, because even to the sampling point, like, even when Diplo was saying, oh, it'll never replace my autistic brain that makes the great music that it makes. And it's. With sampling, you could catch the sample.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah.

[Rory]

This prompt stuff is, can I get a record like Snooze, which has studied SZA and Leon's genius brains and can spit something out that sounds nothing like. Like it.

[Kyle Dion]

I've seen it.

[Rory]

It's produced based off that. And to me, that's crazy. That's where I think Diplo is being completely disingenuous and at this point is taking advantage of the world that we're

[Kyle Dion]

entering and taking advantage of black artists who make the world go round and make the best music in the world. And you got this white man over here stealing from black artists, black creatives. And it's just so. It's just another. You know, we've seen this in history before. We've seen it before.

[Mall]

Nothing new.

[Kyle Dion]

Another. It's a nothing new.

[Mall]

Just the latest form.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Bluegrass, rock and roll is what it's called.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You take Chuck Berry and then you put it on a fucking nightly show. If you are a creative. This is Diplo, by the way. If you are creative, you need to adapt or just like give up and become an Uber driver until everyone has as. Wh. I don't even know what the that

[Jeff T]

means because I'm stupid.

[Kyle Dion]

Wh's a ride share thing?

[Mall]

Yeah, it's like no driver. Uber, self driving car.

[Rory]

Oh, it's the same thing.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

No, I like the comparison.

[Mall]

Self driving.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah, exactly. Self driving.

[Mall]

That's what he's doing. Self driving. Uber.

[Rory]

Does Ford get paid when the self driver happens?

[Mall]

No, they're using Teslas.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Does Tesla get paid?

[Mall]

Oh, for sure.

[Rory]

Does Elon get paid?

[Mall]

For sure?

[Rory]

That's his ip, right?

[Mall]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

I know it's not cool or classy to speak like this, but I'm not going to candy coat the future. It is what it is. Sorry for bad news to my peers. Theorists there will always need a human mind in touch because AI will never suffer from bipolar disorder and autism like me and other creative people. Did he really put that emoji at the end?

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah, he did.

[Mall]

No, AI did that. That's what it thinks. Bipolar and autism.

[Kyle Dion]

That's what it thinks about it. Yeah, man. This is. This is actually. It's really sick and it's scary and. Yeah, I don't know. I'm like, I. I'm. I've been talking about this with friends. I've talked about it online. I think it's. I don't know where we're heading. I do, I do think, though, that if you are an artist like SZA or. Or myself or a Frank or whatever, if you have this distinct distinctive sound that even just like, I think every artist, you have a distinct sound about you. Nothing AI is not going to be able to emulate, like, exactly what you do do. And I think that's, you know, that's the up for this. But I've seen, I've heard AI songs and that sounds. They. They're spitting out songs and like, in five minutes, it's like a full blown

[Rory]

song, you know, by Kanye is great. I think with the Deluxe, I think he said he redid some of the vocals, but a lot of bully is AI.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Which is sad to say as well. And it doesn't shock me that Kanye would do that because Kanye is always trying to do the next thing, next thing. And Kanye's actually not really a purist. If we're getting into the bag, Kanye's even admitted that he used backpack rap just to get on. Like, we know. It did not shock me that Kanye wants to use AI, but that's an issue when people like Diplo and Kanye and Timberland are compliant with this and this is the new standard. Because if I'm a young artist, if Kanye's using this shit, you think I'm not going to use that? You're out of your fucking mind.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah, I think there's a difference between using it as a tool and using it the way that Diplo's using it. He's creating. Creating voice. Like, they're like, it's a. It's a. It's a voice. It's like, it's like you don't need to have a collaborator on your song anymore. If you're a dj, you could just put it into an AI and it's a voice and you don't have to pay no artist. You don't have to do anything. You cut, like you just said, there's got a bunch of artists. You got to clear it. You don't got to do that because they don't exist. It's helping, you know, in his benefit. It benefits him so he's like, get with or get lost. When it's like, like, bro, are you with the art? Are you with. You know, it's like, you're the problem. You know what I'm saying? And. And he's done a lot of collaborations with artists and singers and vocalists, so to even, like, speak that way, it's. It's pretty heartless to me, I would say.

[Rory]

Have you been in any sessions with people that have sold their catalog?

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Have you had that convo with them? Because I think now we know, you know, when Covid hit and people started selling them. We now know. Exactly. Exactly. We ask on this podcast every day why everyone keep doing this now we clearly see. Because I do think they are going to regulate AI at some point. I think it's the wild, wild west now, and it is going to be regulated at some point. I think that's why people are buying these catalogs, because at that point, if you regulate it, I own it. I could upload it. I could upload it to a lot. Like, if.

[Kyle Dion]

Let them, like, learn.

[Rory]

If diblo is an investor in that and he partners with somebody that bought the Dreams catalog.

[Kyle Dion]

Mm.

[Rory]

That's our choice now to upload it to our program. Have you had any of those combos with people that. That sold it? Like, you do realize what you did?

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah, I mean, I. We didn't. I probably, like, early on, so it wasn't like, AI wasn't as hot, but, like. Yeah, I think it's. I think when you sell your catalog, it's like, kind of selling, like, real estate, like your. Like your home. And people do that for a bunch of reasons, and they get, like, a lot of money up front. You know what I'm saying? So. And then as. As time progresses to your catalog kind of goes down in equity, I guess, every. Every year. Like, people aren't streaming as heavily as when it came out. Right. So people are like, oh, I could just sell this, you know, but now that. That is a thing where it's like, it can go into the AI, I'm sure people are like, I hope my. I hope my catalog isn't being. Because you. You literally, you're. You're part of the problem now.

[Rory]

Yeah. Which it's interesting because I'm conflicted and a hypocrite at the same time, because when everyone was doing that, whether it was the Dream did be Cox sellers, it wasn't bcox.

[Jeff T]

It was.

[Mall]

I don't think so.

[Rory]

Sean Garrett, I think, sold his. I was on their side. Because I thought they were looking at it like we don't even know how music is going to be valued in the next 10 years. We can't even determine what a stream cost, this and that. Right. I might as well take 100 million liquid from my family at this point. Point.

[Kyle Dion]

I don't think people were thinking about AI. That's what I'm saying.

[Rory]

Yeah. Like I agreed with them at that point.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah.

[Rory]

If I can't determine what my is even valued at all, I might as well take this money from my family.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Cuz in 20 years it may not mean nothing. Like it could be nothing.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But now at this point, not to say I wouldn't take the money that they took. Now you realize, okay, this is to determine everything that artists even create. Every artist behind you that you respect is now going to have to battle a machine while. While they're contributing to the machine that's going to put them out of business. Everything I make is now going into something that's going to unemploy me.

[Kyle Dion]

I said like a few months ago on my TikTok I was like maybe we can combat the, the AI shit like artists if we maybe stop using auto tune. Because AI uses auto tune and they can't, they can't emulate imperfect like human voices. And that's what makes us human is that we have imperfections. Even the greatest vocalists like Whitney Houston or whatever. There's nothing sounds like auto tune. It sounds like they're a human being. They're little, they're not 100% on pitch all the time. And I feel like if we went back into that route like it was in the, you know, 90s, early 2000s where people weren't. It wasn't default to use auto tune tune. It could maybe, but I mean where

[Rory]

do you draw the line there? And we're definitely getting into like nerd territory.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

But like if you put dine on it like melodyne like even.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah.

[Rory]

It's not even just auto tune like even in the mix you're putting. I don't care if you're the greatest vocalist.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah.

[Rory]

All time. There's gonna be some type of filter when you mix something. Yeah. So like is it just tune you think would.

[Kyle Dion]

It's just tune Because I think, I think yeah, there's gonna be some kind of mix there. Like, like you, if you hear this, the song I want to dance with somebody. Right. I want to dance with somebody.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Kyle Dion]

It's mixed but it's not. There's no auto tune. So it's like it's a human voice. Even all the old, old songs. Like, you know, Beyonce had songs, you know, back in the day when she was coming up too. Like, it's like, no, there wasn't default auto tune. It didn't sound like a robot. It didn't sound like perfect pitch. But everyone's desensitized to auto tune now, so it makes it sound like nobody's using auto tune. It makes it sound like it's just. That's everyone's voice. But it's not. It's like now without auto tune, it. It sounds like, too pitchy. Or it sounds like there's something wrong with this mix. Or it sounds like. And I'm a. I'm a victim of that. I've been, you know, I'm like, does it. Because my ear is so desensitized with autotune.

[Mall]

I was. I think we're speaking from a very distinct part of this thing. Like, we are. When we listen to music, we're listening to very distinct things. We're listening to pitch, tone, texture, things like that. I think the. The. The average consumer, I don't. I just think they just want to hear good music. I don't think they are listening the way we listen. I agree to music and shit like that. I think they want to hear a good beat.

[Kyle Dion]

Yep.

[Mall]

Good melody, good rhythm. Something that they can catch. A catchy hook that they can get on the first listen, and that's all they care about. When we listen to it, we're like, ah, this sounds. You can tell that's fake. That's not. This is AI. This is. I don't think the average consumer, the average listener even gives a fuck about.

[Jeff T]

About that.

[Kyle Dion]

I agree. I think artists like Brent F. Right, like, he doesn't use autotune. A lot of his music is just like, super dry vocal. Imperfect, imperfect vocal. Like. And that's a style on its own. You know what I'm saying? And I don't think with all these AI, you know, artists, they can't emulate raw vocals because they're already like. It makes it do autotune. It's, like, imprinted into their. The way it's wired.

[Rory]

You can't tell for that yet.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah, I mean, not yet. You can't tell an AI to be like, be more human. You can't do that. You can't, like, oh, there's a little texture there. Oh, you're a little pitchy. It's going to be 100% on all the time. You get what I'm saying? So that's where my, my debate was on TikTok. I'm like maybe we can go in this direction where it's like we stop using tunes so much and like maybe we combat it in that way. It's just one way. I'm just trying to think of ways because there's no regulations yet. And as an artist in 2026 I'm like how can we, you know, know make sure that we good.

[Rory]

But I think that's kind of Scissors Point with the unreleased part. Cuz I'm sure a lot of that stuff that was unreleased then now that's

[Mall]

crazy that, that they're of.

[Rory]

Of it being raw vocals to teach. Like I'm sure Sza you, you, you're an incredible vocalist but you've been in the booth when you writing something, it's going to be all over the place with raw vocals. Cuz you're writing at the time like demos.

[Kyle Dion]

I don't know.

[Rory]

Not you. I'm sorry.

[Guest]

No, no, no, not me.

[Kyle Dion]

Not. I'm saying like anyone. I think like everyone's always writing with tune. Like you get the SM7, I call it the podcast mic now. But like you get the SM7 and you just throw some tune on there. And that's how I'm crazy.

[Rory]

This has become the podcast.

[Kyle Dion]

It's a podcast man. I know it's Michael Jackson Mike turned into a podcast man. I hate the SM7. Every time somebody hands me this in a session I'm like I don't want to use a podcast Mike. I'm not using this.

[Guest]

Really.

[Kyle Dion]

I hate it on my voice.

[Colin Coward]

I just.

[Kyle Dion]

It's too warm.

[Rory]

I like, you know, this is my favorite. Like before any artist gets in the booth and we're all writing, I love passing this mic around. Everybody in, in the studio.

[Kyle Dion]

I mean it was, it's. It does its purpose. But as for final vocals, I don't know. But yeah, where was I?

[Rory]

But yeah, with Sza like with the unreleased stuff, I still think you're going to get the raw version of that that they can study. Perfect Scissor. A crazy vocalist. She would say that too.

[Kyle Dion]

I think has a great voice and she has a distinct voice but I think she's. It's tune is part her of thing.

[Tony Ayo]

Sure.

[Kyle Dion]

So even like writing nowadays too, it's like are every artist is in there writing from melodies like you put the tune on because maybe the tune will fluctuate you to a melody that you didn't really think of and you're like, oh, that's kind of cool. Everyone's using tune so it's like nobody's sending raw vocals like to a producer so they can. It's like having a filter on yourself. Like nobody's putting up a picture that don't got no filter on Instagram. You know what I'm saying? Nobody's going on, Nobody's going on the Instagram.

[Mall]

They going to kill you for that one.

[Kyle Dion]

Hey listen, nobody's going on the Instagram app and taking a picture right on the Instagram map and posting it.

[Mall]

They gonna kill you for that one.

[Rory]

I do, I do think at this point obviously in Sizzle's career that yes, when she's even just writing, her settings are already there. Her engineer has her settings no matter if she's just chilling. But I do think it's probably more of the raw vocal, whether there's tune or not, that can be studied with the unreleased stuff as opposed to just putting control through the system.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah.

[Rory]

More or less.

[Kyle Dion]

I think. Yeah. It's like, it's, it's. I don't send, I don't send my vocals raw. Cuz I'm like, again, it's like, it's very vulnerable. I'm like, let's put something.

[Mall]

You put a filter on your phone?

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah. 100.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Kyle Dion]

Because it's a, it's a, it's a record. And that's why I was telling. Even though I could sing my ass off, I know I could sing. But it's, it's a tool that you use in music to. Especially if you can sing where you don't have to go into the studio and be like, I needed to warm up for 35 minutes before and I could just make music, you know? So that's how I use Auto Tune is like, it's easy for me. It's, it's versus a show. I don't use it on my shows. But yeah, I just want to be able to just write and create freely in the studio. And that's why I think every artist does in 2026, especially how auto tune is so default. So yeah, I think, I think it's a. Yeah, I look at it as like a filter. It's like a little filter. And if you, if you look really good, Instagram filter gonna look really good on you. You know what I'm saying?

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Kyle Dion]

And if you, you know, you don't look that good, you gotta go heavy around the Instagram filter. You know what I, I'm saying? So it's like I'm correlating in that sense just to make people understand, because I know this is really nerdy and techy, but. Yeah, that's. That's how. That's how I feel about it.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Because even, like, you know, I don't think people would say Mary J. Is the greatest vocalist. She used tune in the 90s, and it's. It works so good.

[Kyle Dion]

Like, send us sing that. Sorry. I'm okay. Sorry.

[Rory]

You weren't at sound check in Toronto when we did our live show.

[Kyle Dion]

That song eats. I'm not gonna lie.

[Rory]

That's on is fire.

[Kyle Dion]

Okay.

[Rory]

They gave us autotune at our sound check in our Toronto show because we had the opener.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

I, I think we should do a live show on auto tune.

[Mall]

I think that'd be the worst idea.

[Kyle Dion]

Wait, you think you should do West?

[Rory]

I, I. We had a performer in Toronto, and the tune was. Was already on the mics.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So we stayed to do our regular. I hate doing sound check for a podcast because it's like, like, you guys can do this by yourself. I don't. I don't need to. You don't need my voice to say, check, check, check. But the tune was still on.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And you hadn't gotten there yet. I, I sounded. I wanted to do the whole.

[Kyle Dion]

The whole thing.

[Rory]

The whole thing.

[Kyle Dion]

It's fun.

[Mall]

That's hilarious.

[Kyle Dion]

It's fun.

[Mall]

I'm not doing no show on live comedian that does. He does a comedy routine with autotune the whole time.

[Rory]

No. What's.

[Kyle Dion]

Oh, I know what you're talking about. On Instagram. He, like, go into the crowd and he's like, what's your name?

[Rory]

Who's the. He's from Chicago. Famous. Famous comedian.

[Kyle Dion]

He's like a white guy, right? No. Okay. Oh, there he is.

[Rory]

Oh, Hannibal. All right, so he stole this from Hannibal Burris.

[Kyle Dion]

Well, he stole the.

[Mall]

The Morgan J. Yeah.

[Rory]

Hannibal Burris. Ten years ago, I would go to his shows and he would always bring his T Pain set up, and he would close his show by doing bits in. In auto tune. So, yeah, he definitely took that from Hannibal Burrs for another. Another AI Person taking from black people got another one. History.

[Kyle Dion]

It doesn't. It just repeats itself.

[Mall]

Of course it does. You know that.

[Kyle Dion]

It's crazy, man. It's sick.

[Rory]

How are you feeling about the. The live show space these days, man?

[Kyle Dion]

I mean, I. The live show space is why I keep continuing to do this because I just love performing. It's one of my favorite things to do. I think a lot of live shows I feel like the bar is in hell. So, like, everybody can. Yeah, everybody's thriving. Yeah. I don't think people, like, really are really seasoned and like really going hard at the art of performing live and how. Cause it's just so like the technology that you have now, like with the tune mic and all these things, like, you don't have to prep and be like, fuck it. And you know, make sure you got the lung capacity. Make sure you hitting every note. Make sure you. It's like, throw some tune on there. Let's go do this. Boom, out. It's like there's no kind of, you

[Mall]

know, I get a live show. You're saying for the live show.

[Kyle Dion]

And that's why I said earlier in this, in this, in this on the show, I was like, I feel like I'm in the wrong, wrong generation because I'm just like, so. I love performing. I love the art of it. I love like working hard and creating a show and an experience and, you know, doing shit that tune can catch, you know, like shit on the mic where you like go into a whole different key and then your key change and all this. I love the theatrics. I'm. I'm so for that. And that's something that I really enjoy when I go see a person live. One of the. One of the greatest live shows I've seen is Jasmine Sullivan. Shout out to her voice. Insane. Just super talented and can just steal a room with her voice and a mic and a light. That's all you need, you know. But now, now these days, people are just throwing anybody up on the stage and it's like, oh, you got a little, you got a little tick tock song. Let's throw your ass up on the stage, get you legged. Blah, blah, blah.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah.

[Kyle Dion]

Just, just, just burning them out. They don't even. They don't even know what the. They doing.

[Rory]

Headline Rolling loud.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You were in your basement yesterday.

[Kyle Dion]

They don't even know what the.

[Rory]

You don't even know what a mic. You don't even know to not do this to the mic, right?

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah, like, no. Kind of like it's just okay. Like, oh, it's okay. You got like, you know, millions and millions of streams and stuff. Like you're good. You get up there and it's just like, like, no training, no. Never even really wanted it. Never even wanted to be on stage like that.

[Mall]

They just never really wanted.

[Kyle Dion]

Never really wanted it. They just like, oh, shit just fell into. You know, the people are working really hard and Trying to, like, you know, really perfect the craft of what it takes to be a live musician and artist and. Yeah, it's just. It's sad. Everything is sad. This whole episode, sad. Everything is just so sad.

[Mall]

Like, if you never sang until brush growing up. I don't think I trust you as

[Rory]

a. I mean, my fan was the first auto tune. The fan was the first.

[Kyle Dion]

That's the first auto tune. Exactly.

[Rory]

By far. Let's make this even nerdier. I'm not going to ask you your top five favorite vocalists because I think you have such a beautiful vo. Who has the top five falsetto?

[Kyle Dion]

Top five falsetto?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Kyle Dion]

Damn. I mean, I'm not going to do five, but I'll do like three. Okay. D', Angelo, would you. I think Prince has a really good falsetto too.

[Rory]

I agree with you.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah. I don't think he's like, he doesn't use it as a. Like, it doesn't symbolize him. Like, it's like he's not known for his falsehood, but.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, but he's. Now when Prince gets in that bag, it's like.

[Kyle Dion]

It's like he can do it. You know, he's. And who else?

[Tony Ayo]

Let's see.

[Mall]

See, I know, I know.

[Rory]

Damaris is out the gate. She's losing her mind right now.

[Damaris]

Who. Who do you think? Mars?

[Rory]

I think you think Mariah. Anything?

[Jeff T]

Boo.

[Kyle Dion]

There's this weird thing that I read online that I read somewhere that, like, women don't have falsetto. Like, it's like something else. But I don't know. I. Again, it's nerdy, but I. I've read

[Damaris]

that, like, it's like Mariah isn't known for her falsetto.

[Kyle Dion]

She's known for her.

[Rory]

She has a great one.

[Kyle Dion]

She's known for her. That's what I'm saying. I think she's known for her whistle notes.

[Damaris]

Her whistle register.

[Kyle Dion]

Whistle register.

[Rory]

No, but. But for. I hear y'. All. But she also has.

[Damaris]

She has a beautiful falsetto, but just that, like, that's not like her.

[Kyle Dion]

She's known for her whistle.

[Rory]

No, I know that.

[Mall]

Her.

[Rory]

Yeah, her whistle shit is her go to.

[Kyle Dion]

Oh, what did I say? Physicality. True. Falsetto means like, vocal cords do not close completely, leaving any of the. Now. Why? What? While men falsetto produces a very dramatic tonal shift, female vocal cords are shorter and thinner to begin with. Because of this, a woman's transition to a falsetto sounds a much more seen seamless.

[Mall]

That makes sense.

[Damaris]

Okay, so it's like, it's not as Obvious when women are using false.

[Kyle Dion]

That's what it is. Like, yeah.

[Rory]

We work construction and breathing dust yeah, yeah.

[Kyle Dion]

We are at war

[Rory]

Just gunpowder.

[Kyle Dion]

Oh, yeah, man. Oh.

[Rory]

I would put the dream up there. And I know that's.

[Kyle Dion]

Why did I not say that? Actually, the Dream is one of my

[Rory]

top change falsetto period. I know. It's changed my.

[Kyle Dion]

He changed my life because he was some. He's a. That album. Album. I listened to it in middle school, going into high school. What was it? Love, Love and hate or something like that. Oh, my God. On repeat.

[Mall]

Damn. You was in middle school when that came out?

[Jeff T]

Shit.

[Rory]

I was in high school. He might have been the first AI version of Wasetto, though.

[Kyle Dion]

You think so?

[Rory]

He did something that T Pain did with tune, but in a way different way. Dream can sing without tune. I'm not saying that, but he made his style at that time as a solo artist.

[Damaris]

Artist.

[Rory]

Because I've heard, like, his reference when he's using nothing. It sounds incredible. But that was his style. Was adding so much tunes as well Seto that everyone tried to match it. Like, I don't think you get Jeremiah the same way you. If the Dream doesn't exist, the amount of kids from that style of music is the dream with Volt.

[Kyle Dion]

Can I ask you guys something?

[Rory]

T Paint our dream solo.

[Mall]

As far as what?

[Rory]

No, like, as what? As what?

[Kyle Dion]

As far as just artists.

[Tony Ayo]

Artists.

[Kyle Dion]

Like who did you. The dream?

[Rory]

Well, yeah. Dream. If you're adding in everything.

[Kyle Dion]

What about cultural. Like a cultural shift?

[Rory]

T. Pain a dream. If you look into what he wrote, that.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Shifted the culture. That's why I'm asking what exactly you mean by like the dream? T Pain as artists or as everything else behind the scene things? I guess his dream kind of. And then everyone else when it comes,

[Kyle Dion]

I guess, like impact on the world. How about that?

[Mall]

Oh, the dream.

[Kyle Dion]

The dream.

[Mall]

The dream based off of the music that he's wrote

[Kyle Dion]

for, like, other people too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

If you add that in. But I just artist to artists, like solo acts. T Pain is right there. I also think the Dream doesn't have the confidence that he has with his style as a solo artist. If Payne didn't do that.

[Kyle Dion]

Right. So did you like his new song? I think he just dropped one.

[Rory]

It's cool. I'm excited.

[Kyle Dion]

Was it about Usher?

[Rory]

Yes, Excited for the album. The record's cool.

[Kyle Dion]

I thought it was good. I like it. There's like a pre hook in there that's really like, catchy. I was like, oh, he back A little bit.

[Mall]

He's back a little bit.

[Kyle Dion]

Back a little bit.

[Rory]

I want, I want 1977 dream at this point.

[Kyle Dion]

Fast Car Dream.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Kyle Dion]

That song is class, you know, song, of course. Oh, my God.

[Mall]

Yeah, that album.

[Kyle Dion]

That song is classic.

[Rory]

I just. I Dream success. I. I need a woman to like really hurt him.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I need him to have a very. I need. I need Dreams Iceman album at this point. Because 1977 was Iceman.

[Mall]

I'm just happy that because he, Christina Milian, Tricky are back working together.

[Rory]

Needs. He needs that as a solo act. He needs a kick in the ass in his personal life because he could make hit records all day. But when it's hit his. I like when dream is hurt by a woman. Like for. For real. For real. Not. Not for funsies in writing. Like, listen, I told you, I worked on 1977. We did the Long Gone video and we was putting the treatment together. He said, she wouldn't have said that. I said, this is make believe. What you mean she wouldn't have said that?

[Mall]

She wouldn't have said that. This is.

[Kyle Dion]

This is.

[Mall]

I don't think she would have said anything.

[Rory]

Yeah, no, I need that dream.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Christina Milian wouldn't have said that.

[Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

That's the dream I need right now.

[Mall]

I'm looking forward to it, though.

[Kyle Dion]

I hate the people be like, oh, we need the artists to hurt because that shit hurts.

[Rory]

I know.

[Kyle Dion]

And we don't need that.

[Rory]

Yeah, I agree with you.

[Kyle Dion]

It's like, damn. You know?

[Rory]

No, we talk about that often. It's very fucked up. As fans, we do that.

[Kyle Dion]

But I hope your heart breaks soon. It's like, damn, bitch, I'm happy.

[Mall]

It's just a different emotion that I think artists tap into when they literally. You could hear it in their voice. Voice, your tone, you know, like some real. Yeah.

[Kyle Dion]

To put it through.

[Mall]

I mean. But that's what art is, right? It's supposed to be. You're supposed to be pulling from a real experience.

[Kyle Dion]

Yeah.

[Rory]

No, and I mean, we, we. We get a very small taste of that in the podcast world. I had to go bury my friend and missed an episode. And they said, you lazy. I was like, I was at a funeral.

[Kyle Dion]

Damn, what the hell?

[Mall]

Talk about it. Talk about being at the funeral.

[Damaris]

Crazy.

[Mall]

Yeah, talk about it.

[Rory]

Crown Mike, bare minimum, my friend was murdered.

[Mall]

Yeah, you gotta talk about it. You gotta talk about it.

[Rory]

So then I said, started to look at that perspective. Like, damn, I shouldn't put that on artist.

[Mall]

Yeah. And here you are. And here you are, all Right, Kyle. New album available now.

[Kyle Dion]

Go get it, please. I need to pay my phone bill. Go stream that, baby. I need a new phone, actually. I need a phone case. Help me out.

[Mall]

Need a phone case.

[Kyle Dion]

My phone case backed up.

[Mall]

Well, let us know next time you back in the city, man. And, you know, anytime, you know, pull up on us, man, let us know what you're doing.

[Kyle Dion]

Thanks, man.

[Mall]

Don't. Don't stay in LA too long, man. It's always good to come back to New York and get this energy.

[Kyle Dion]

We need to come back to la. I appreciate you guys, though.

[Damaris]

Let's have another last slap night. Kyle, we gotta go back a little.

[Kyle Dion]

What?

[Damaris]

Another last lap night? We gotta go back.

[Rory]

We gotta go back.

[Kyle Dion]

Let's do it. Let's do it one more.

[Guest]

Again.

[Kyle Dion]

Spin the block.

[Mall]

All right, I'm sorry.

[Rory]

Tonight we out.

[Kyle Dion]

I got a flight to Cats.

[Rory]

Oh, that's right.

[Mall]

And I gotta. I gotta show the clothes.

[Jeff T]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Oh, my bad. We'll talk to y' all soon. Be safe.

[Rory]

Be blessed.

[Mall]

I'm. That. He's just Ginger. Peace. No worry.

[Kyle Dion]

I really wanted to do the no worry, so.

[Mall]

Matt.

[Kyle Dion]

I know. I'm so. I was gonna. I was planning on doing that. I messed up. I wanted y' all to have that.

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[Mall]

is it always chaos when we link up?

[Kyle Dion]

Because nobody plans anything, bro.

[Guest]

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[Kyle Dion]

It moves, moves.

[Guest]

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[Mall]

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